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Title: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on January 20, 2009, 12:03:44 PM
and yo-yo ma is playing
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 12:04:13 PM
I'm watching it on TV... the online feeds are booked and lagged
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on January 20, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
Is Obama that black guy thats on all the TV all the time?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 12:05:20 PM
I'm just listening to an audio stream since all the vidoe streams are fucked.

Plus, my officemate just got rickrolled trying to find one.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
lol he fucked up the oath

right-wing nuts are already preparing their court documents to prove he's not really president
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2008/12/ah121708obamabig.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on January 20, 2009, 12:07:29 PM
people are actually chanting "CHANGE!"  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 12:09:41 PM
as long as he keep a muzzle on biden and makes sure he doesn't show up at functions in his pajamas and slippers, he's pretty much got a free pass this go around
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on January 20, 2009, 12:09:57 PM
Quote from: swaggaz on January 20, 2009, 12:07:29 PM
people are actually chanting "CHANGE!"  :lol


They probably believe he's gonna be that change too. lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 20, 2009, 12:11:05 PM
Such a hater, Beardo.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 12:12:39 PM
the puppet is in place, it has come to pass

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
lol he fucked up the oath

right-wing nuts are already preparing their court documents to prove he's not really president

how did he fuck up? i was half paying attention
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 20, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
I've got it on the radio in my office, but I'm DVRing it at home.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
lol he fucked up the oath

right-wing nuts are already preparing their court documents to prove he's not really president

how did he fuck up? i was half paying attention

He forgot a line, stood there staring at the Justice, waiting for him to repeat it
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on January 20, 2009, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 12:13:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:06:47 PM
lol he fucked up the oath

right-wing nuts are already preparing their court documents to prove he's not really president

how did he fuck up? i was half paying attention

yeah, I didn't notice that.  It did feel rushed, but I don't think it was messed up.  Only thing messed up was saying H. instead of his full middle name.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:14:52 PM
He forgot a line, stood there staring at the Justice, waiting for him to repeat it

didn't notice that then
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 20, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
4 year term, end of the world is 2012. "Beware the leader who promises change" :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
the chief justice got the wording wrong, so Obama messed up

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 12:17:08 PM
Boring speech. Turned it off.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on January 20, 2009, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 12:17:08 PM
Boring speech. Turned it off.

you can always read it

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My fellow citizens:

I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.

Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because We the People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forbearers, and true to our founding documents.

So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.

That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.

These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land - a nagging fear that America's decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.

Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America - they will be met.

On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.

We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.

In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted - for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things - some celebrated but more often men and women obscure in their labor, who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.

For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.

For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.

For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.

Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.

This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions - that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.

For everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act - not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. And all this we will do.

Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions - who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.

What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them - that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account - to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day - because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.

Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched, but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control - and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on our ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart - not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.

As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort - even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.

To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society's ills on the West - know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.

As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us today, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment - a moment that will define a generation - it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.

For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter's courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent's willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.

Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends - hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism - these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility - a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.

This is the price and the promise of citizenship.

This is the source of our confidence - the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.

This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed - why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.

So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America's birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people:

"Let it be told to the future world...that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive...that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it]."

America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 20, 2009, 12:16:05 PM
4 year term, end of the world is 2012. "Beware the leader who promises change" :o

Unless the Mayan 2012 was 2008 due to the four-year difference in the Western calendar. Yeah.  ::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 20, 2009, 12:19:30 PM
They elected the dude from Battlestar president?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 12:19:52 PM
let's all play some wii sports and go to church in celebration

it's okay now, obama does it
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 20, 2009, 12:20:05 PM
You know its true, Manabyte.

"Fire and Terror will be brought on the wings of a black man"

~Hidden text in the Bibble
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 12:20:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
the chief justice got the wording wrong, so Obama messed up



Oh is that what it was?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Diunx on January 20, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
Is the world fixed yet?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on January 20, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
Quote from: diunx on January 20, 2009, 12:29:19 PM
Is the world fixed yet?

We can only HOPE.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 12:30:10 PM
meh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 12:34:14 PM
invest in kfc NOW
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2009, 12:35:17 PM
boring speech
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 20, 2009, 12:35:35 PM
Old dude is awesome

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 12:37:22 PM
What the fuck at the Prayer at the beginning, i mean really? Really? Ugh

I liked Obama going "Man fuck this oath shit, yeah yah whatever, wait what? Say that again"


Good speech. Guy can talk.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 12:37:41 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 12:34:14 PM
invest in kfc NOW

hahaha

that dude who used to compile those "truly tasteless" joke books is licking his lips at the comeback this presidency offers
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 12:37:22 PM
What the fuck at the Prayer at the beginning, i mean really? Really? Ugh

your new god worships the old gods
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on January 20, 2009, 12:39:09 PM
It's over, it's fucking over. Our long national nightmare is over.  :-*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 12:04:13 PM
I'm watching it on TV... the online feeds are booked and lagged

channel 10 is where its at
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
the royal bank of scotland disagrees :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 20, 2009, 12:40:54 PM
Good riddance Bush/Cheney.  The nightmare is officially over.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 20, 2009, 12:41:58 PM
So Cheney is wheel chair ridden? He moved some shit and his back is fucked up
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
Obama's highfalutin' rhetoric is nice and all, but it's the schadenfreude that really warms my cockles.

Conservatives are vacillating wildly between Obama as harbinger of doom (see sd's "These Keynesian multiplier estimates are downright CRIMINAL!") to convince themselves they were right to oppose him, and Obama as huckster (see Beardo's "lol change") to convince themselves they didn't really lose.

No wonder the Corner was so smug back in the day.  This winning stuff is fun.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 12:42:19 PM
i misread that as "royal bank of canada" for a second and my heart skipped a beat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
Obama's highfalutin' rhetoric is nice and all, but it's the schadenfreude that really warms my cockles.

Conservatives are vacillating wildly between Obama as harbinger of doom (see sd's "These Keynesian multiplier estimates are downright CRIMINAL!") to convince themselves they were right to oppose him, and Obama as huckster (see Beardo's "lol change") to convince themselves they didn't really lose.

No wonder the Corner was so smug back in the day.  This winning stuff is fun.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86469
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 12:45:06 PM
the immediate flipfloppery warms my cockles
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 20, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
Congrats to Barack Obama. Let's see what he and the DEMs can do.

He has my support.

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on January 20, 2009, 12:49:05 PM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on January 20, 2009, 12:41:58 PM
So Cheney is wheel chair ridden? He moved some shit and his back is fucked up
At least he didn't get shot in the face while the Duck Hunt dog was laughing at him.  :maf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 12:49:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
Obama's highfalutin' rhetoric is nice and all, but it's the schadenfreude that really warms my cockles.

Conservatives are vacillating wildly between Obama as harbinger of doom (see sd's "These Keynesian multiplier estimates are downright CRIMINAL!") to convince themselves they were right to oppose him, and Obama as huckster (see Beardo's "lol change") to convince themselves they didn't really lose.

No wonder the Corner was so smug back in the day.  This winning stuff is fun.

this. soon they will all kneel before keynes and his herald krugman, and i will lol as i have ne'er lol'd before
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: archie4208 on January 20, 2009, 12:50:52 PM
since we are officially socialist now where is my free money?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 20, 2009, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 12:34:14 PM
invest in kfc NOW
Popeyes, bitch
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on January 20, 2009, 12:50:52 PM
since we are officially socialist now where is my free money?

The repubs already gave it to the rich. haha
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 12:55:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86469

Ha.  That guy's an OG, with a WND column going back to the Clinton days.

Just randomly skimming his archive got me this (http://wnd.com/index.php?pageId=35372): "Hitler's Evolutionists"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 20, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
you fools... what have you done...

(http://i42.tinypic.com/5umlom.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 12:59:07 PM
WHERE ELSE BUT HELL COULD HITLER GET HIS INSPIRATION
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
man id love to be a fly inside bush's helicopter right now
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 01:00:16 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
man id love to be a fly inside bush's helicopter right now

I was just thinking that.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck

maf insists i need to go to popeye's for the proper fastfood chik'n experience -- or at least for decent read beans and rice. i smell a renton roadtrip
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 01:00:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q89grM9cPE
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:01:36 PM
bush doesn't give a fuck

he's going back to texas to play cowboy games
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
man id love to be a fly inside bush's helicopter right now

What I want, and what will never happen, is for Bush to one day wake up and realize how awful a president he's been and comprehend the full scope of the harm he's done.

That doesn't feel like much to ask for.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck

maf insists i need to go to popeye's for the proper fastfood chik'n experience -- or at least for decent read beans and rice. i smell a renton roadtrip

dude go there for some solid beans and rice. Try their biscuits too.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
man id love to be a fly inside bush's helicopter right now

"Do I get my billion bucks from the ay-rabs like you did daddy?"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck

maf insists i need to go to popeye's for the proper fastfood chik'n experience -- or at least for decent read beans and rice. i smell a renton roadtrip

we don't have a popeye's here

we have kfc, bojangle's, and church's

hardee's (carl's to you guys) chicken isn't bad, i like the crust
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on January 20, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck

maf insists i need to go to popeye's for the proper fastfood chik'n experience -- or at least for decent read beans and rice. i smell a renton roadtrip

dude go there for some solid beans and rice. Try their biscuits too.

It's all about the mashed potatoes.  That gravy is :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 20, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 20, 2009, 12:59:13 PM
man id love to be a fly inside bush's helicopter right now
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2n81vgi.jpg)

"SO LONG, SUCKERS. BUSH OUT."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on January 20, 2009, 01:06:40 PM
 :teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:07:21 PM
so how soon do you guys shut the fuck up about the dimestore cowboy and start focusing those narrowed eyes towards the new guy

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on January 20, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck

maf insists i need to go to popeye's for the proper fastfood chik'n experience -- or at least for decent read beans and rice. i smell a renton roadtrip

dude go there for some solid beans and rice. Try their biscuits too.

It's all about the mashed potatoes.  That gravy is :drool

yes
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:10:54 PM
Two words: Boston Market.  :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on January 20, 2009, 01:11:03 PM
The Popeye's near here has this little prize wheel that spins whenever you order something and gives you the opportunity to buy some extra shit at a heavy discount.  I haven't seen it at any other location.  It's pretty amazing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:12:38 PM
What's with manabyte's avatar. So rude.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on January 20, 2009, 01:15:04 PM
In between the chicken talk, I'll say that our office watched the CNN stream of the inauguration ceremony in a conference room. The video would freeze quite often, but the audio came through no problem. So we basically thought of it as the way people experienced inaugurations back during the first depression instead of the sequel.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:12:38 PM
What's with manabyte's avatar. So rude.

Well you see, black people used to be called porch monkeys or just monkey in general.  It's endearing to them like if you call them a nigg-a.   :)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:19:12 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on January 20, 2009, 01:11:03 PM
The Popeye's near here has this little prize wheel that spins whenever you order something and gives you the opportunity to buy some extra shit at a heavy discount.  I haven't seen it at any other location.  It's pretty amazing.

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/KParrott/Chicken.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:12:38 PM
What's with manabyte's avatar. So rude.

Well you see, black people used to be called porch monkeys or just monkey in general.  It's endearing to them like if you call them a nigg-a.   :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTosQerWBzU
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
So Bush didn't really do the last-minute pardon avalanche thing people were expecting, huh?  He didn't even pardon Libby, despite apparently a big push from neoconland to do so.  Wonder why, maybe this sheds some light on it though:

Quote
   Bush grew more agitated at the mention of his own former senior diplomat. “Let me just say from the outset that I don’t consider Bolton credible,” the president said bitterly. Bush had brought Bolton into the top ranks of his administration, fought for Senate confirmation and, when lawmakers balked, defied critics to give the hawkish aide a recess appointment. “I spent political capital for him,” Bush said, and look what he got in return.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 01:23:47 PM
yeah, Popeye's, unlike KFC, sells edible food.  That doesn't include their actual fried chicken, though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
I see your stupid white ho and raise you SP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaOxYYYDjzE
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
I see your stupid white ho and raise you SP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2xDfOHTz8
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 01:27:00 PM
where the fuck is the parade on tv?  i know someone in a marching band thats there right now
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
i don't see why you guys hate all over kfc

their original recipe chicken sandwiches & pot pies are good, and their potato wedges aren't bad
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:28:23 PM
KFC sucks since they downsized the Twister. Shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 01:28:52 PM
popeyes 5 peice strip w/ ranch is amazing
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:30:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSLOjZa3WSA

:zzz
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 01:31:31 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
i don't see why you guys hate all over kfc

their original recipe chicken sandwiches & pot pies are good, and their potato wedges aren't bad

I was going to post almost word for word of this, but my browser timed out.  :lol
Dip them wedges in the best gravy on the planet. :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 01:31:44 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:27:50 PM
i don't see why you guys hate all over kfc

their original recipe chicken sandwiches & pot pies are good, and their potato wedges aren't bad

i smell a podcast segment
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 01:35:13 PM
goddammit I WANT SOME FUCKIN FRIED CHICKEN posthaste
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 01:37:57 PM
black people: popeyes>>>kfc

mom's chicken>>>kfc

grandma's chicken>>>kfc

etc
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FatalT on January 20, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
Tauntaun ahaahahahahahaha
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on January 20, 2009, 01:38:34 PM
kfc invented the famous bowl

I don't see how you can hate kfc.  It's like a poor person's thanksgiving that you can eat with a spoon..
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: FatalT on January 20, 2009, 01:38:15 PM
Tauntaun ahaahahahahahaha
Dude is like the Forrest Gump of chicken.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 01:40:13 PM
my moms chicken = raw chicken breast soaked in italian vinagarette salad dressing before being grilled
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 20, 2009, 01:41:23 PM
I wonder if the Obama girl will turn up some where.  She's so delicious.
 :nsfw
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:07:21 PM
so how soon do you guys shut the fuck up about the dimestore cowboy and start focusing those narrowed eyes towards the new guy

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i'm guessing never
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i like how no one responded to this
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 01:46:28 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:12:38 PM
What's with manabyte's avatar. So rude.

Well you see, black people used to be called porch monkeys or just monkey in general.  It's endearing to them like if you call them a nigg-a.   :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTosQerWBzU


Now that's some of that certified trailer park White gheto trash talk.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 01:50:35 PM
Quote from: demi on January 20, 2009, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 01:24:02 PM
I see your stupid white ho and raise you SP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2xDfOHTz8

Omg

My abs hurt from the laughter, oh man "I'll merc yo ass" ahahahahahaah

MOOOOOReeee. i need more of this shit demi
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: dammitmattt on January 20, 2009, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 01:07:21 PM
so how soon do you guys shut the fuck up about the dimestore cowboy and start focusing those narrowed eyes towards the new guy
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i'm guessing never
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Since they don't have a fucking clue what Obama is actually going to do other than mis-pronounce fewer words, Bush-bashing and "hope"/"change" chanting are all they've got.

What worries me is that Obama has nearly an 80% approval rate.  Since we've previously determined that the majority of our country consists of bumbling idiots, we should all be worried when 80% of them agree on anything.

With that said, kick some ass, Obama.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 02:02:50 PM
Quote
black people: popeyes>>>kfc

mom's chicken>>>kfc

grandma's chicken>>>kfc

etc

i am black apparently.  although the chicken itself is equimagnitudinally disgusting between popeyes and kfc, but I can just eat the mashed potatoes and biscuits and rice and foist the chicken on someone else.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 20, 2009, 02:10:04 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on January 20, 2009, 01:11:03 PM
The Popeye's near here has this little prize wheel that spins whenever you order something and gives you the opportunity to buy some extra shit at a heavy discount.  I haven't seen it at any other location.  It's pretty amazing.
There's a Popeyes here in the Bronx with that shit. It's so hard to ignore. :heart
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Diunx on January 20, 2009, 02:24:36 PM
Now that I think about it Obama is probably the president with the biggest dick in America's history since he is black and all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: diunx on January 20, 2009, 02:24:36 PM
Now that I think about it Obama is probably the president with the biggest dick in America's history since he is black and all.

The White House has had a Dick that was  5' 11½"!

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 01:50:35 PM
Omg

My abs hurt from the laughter, oh man "I'll merc yo ass" ahahahahahaah

MOOOOOReeee. i need more of this shit demi

oh god
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 02:45:27 PM
well, it is true
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 02:48:19 PM
The parallels are indeed uncanny.  :o

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 02:51:18 PM
- elected to office
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 02:51:28 PM
lyndon johnson allegedly had a monster wang, and was not hesitant about showing it to people
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 02:52:53 PM
Adolf
Obama
Five letters each
Both begin with a vowel

Hitler
Barack
Six letters each
Both begin and end with consonants.

Here's the clincher, both have white mothers.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tieno on January 20, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
So is this the end of black presidents in Hollywood movies?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 02:57:00 PM
Quote from: Tieno on January 20, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
So is this the end of black presidents in Hollywood movies?

It's the beginning of unattractive female presidents in Hollywood movies.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 02:58:34 PM
bullshit. link?

Wallace is an ass, but not like that
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
i am speechless
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 02:58:34 PM
bullshit. link?

Wallace is an ass, but not like that

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/tv-decoder-live-blogging-coverage/


Oh man that was so hard for me to find on the internetz.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 03:00:49 PM
Jew magic or did you click on the first google link?

Will PD ever find out?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on January 20, 2009, 03:01:53 PM
This mean... we're a nation without a leader!!1

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So it's like the past 8 years.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 03:02:06 PM
.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 03:02:42 PM
Thank you Mr. Google

jesus christ Fox.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 03:05:05 PM
Manabyte, I have a ludicrously low opinion of you and yet you keep managing to disappoint me.

Why do you post here?  Has someone given you the impression that they value your contributions to the forum?  Who did this?  Tell me who they are and I'll set them straight.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 03:05:17 PM
Time Warner here turned off the FOX feed for the entire day so far.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 03:06:07 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2009, 03:05:05 PM
Manabyte, I have a ludicrously low opinion of you and yet you keep managing to disappoint me.

Why do you post here?  Has someone given you the impression that they value your contributions to the forum?  Who did this?  Tell me who they are and I'll set them straight.

I second this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2009, 03:06:47 PM
Fine. I'll stop posting here.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 03:07:39 PM
Mandark does have magical Jew powers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 03:09:33 PM
Did that really just happen? That never happens!

:bow Mandark :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 03:11:17 PM
Mandark must have threatened to send a golem into the Disney vault to destroy shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 03:14:25 PM
Quote from: Tieno on January 20, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
So is this the end of black presidents in Hollywood movies?

Well if they use black presidents now, people will say they are just trying to be politically correct. Even though they did it before.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 03:16:54 PM
sorry to drop a truth nuke in here, but telling other people to stop posting (even manabyte) is pretty fucking stupid considering it takes all of one second to click an ignore button
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 03:17:29 PM
Quote
This user is currently ignored.
Sorry, what?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 03:16:54 PM
sorry to drop a truth nuke in here, but telling other people to stop posting (even manabyte) is pretty fucking stupid considering it takes all of one second to click an ignore button

He didn't tell him to do to stop posting. He just asked him questions.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
malek ignored me like pussy ignores him
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 20, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
http://media.prefixmag.com/site_media/uploads/mp3s/young-jeezy-nas-my-president-is-black.mp3

willco or demi, embed this on forums
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 03:23:34 PM
leper crushed
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 03:25:02 PM
cheaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 20, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
holy fuck

:bow mandark :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 20, 2009, 03:29:50 PM
while were on the subject

who the fuck is mandark?

im not kidding

how is someone i dont know an icon?

must live in Seattle
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 20, 2009, 03:29:50 PM
while were on the subject

who the fuck is mandark?

im not kidding

how is someone i dont know an icon?

must live in Seattle

Used to be a mod on some gay forum (the bad kind, like with AIDS) then came to EB to escape the AIDS (a la kosma) and has been getting nekkid ever since.  :-*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on January 20, 2009, 03:33:23 PM
I think he used to admin/mod for gaf. Currently banned.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 03:33:53 PM
let's all get naked and eat fried chicken in celebration of this historic election
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 03:34:37 PM
He's FoC's joke account
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 20, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
Not to change the subject, but y'all seen the banking stocks today?

I say we get an over/under pool going for full industry nationalization.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 20, 2009, 03:41:05 PM
Mandark is the Emperor of Funky Town
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on January 20, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 20, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
Not to change the subject, but y'all seen the banking stocks today?

I say we get an over/under pool going for full industry nationalization.

The big government socialists just left power, though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: WrikaWrek on January 20, 2009, 03:44:28 PM
I like fried chicken so much.

But i can't eat it now, i have to eat healthy.  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
ManaByte is my joke account
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 20, 2009, 03:47:13 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 03:33:53 PM
let's all get naked and eat fried chicken in celebration of this historic election

We could take the skin and put it on our wangs then munch away.  :-*

Brings new meaning to the saying "sucked the meat off the bone."  :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 03:51:13 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 20, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
now that that's out of the way, can we stop focusing on the president and try to actually fix stuff?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
royal bank of scotland and  state street one-two punch to the market's gut :punch :'(

socialism can't get here soon enough
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=76085
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 04:31:48 PM
Shittybank back under $5 a share and Wells Fargo getting a 25% share haircut didn't help either. Shittybank because they just got a special Shittygroup bailout for them, and WF because they were one of the few banks that so far that didn't have such enormous problems.

I suggest a nationalization of banks and then a "santization" of executives and boardmembers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 20, 2009, 04:35:44 PM
ShittyField  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
Canadian Banks are doing fine.

 :usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on January 20, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
They have banks in Canada? I thought everything was on the bartering system up there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
Once your shitty banks are all under, you'll be begging for Canadian beaver pelts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on January 20, 2009, 04:50:53 PM
I know a guy who can send me hollowed out moose carcasses for a few barrels of syrup. Then again, what would I store in the carcasses if I send him the syrup? Come to think of it, I already have barrels.

I'm beginning to think this whole transaction is a scam.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: DJ_Tet on January 20, 2009, 04:54:41 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Himuro on January 20, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
why can't white people ever get it right?

kfc sucks. black people go to their local ghetto join or popeyes. any negro you see at kfc has no standards or is hungry as fuck

maf insists i need to go to popeye's for the proper fastfood chik'n experience -- or at least for decent read beans and rice. i smell a renton roadtrip


(http://www.chimpout.com/forum/images/smilies/22209-pZeWoJGcnaeim6Y-8190kfc.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 05:12:57 PM
That's racist!

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on January 20, 2009, 04:50:53 PM
I know a guy who can send me hollowed out moose carcasses for a few barrels of syrup. Then again, what would I store in the carcasses if I send him the syrup? Come to think of it, I already have barrels.

I'm beginning to think this whole transaction is a scam.

can you get the moose meat instead? mooseburgers! :palincry

the bank of america thing is just   :-\ . Paulson's work as treasury secretary has been a monumental disaster, and I bet history will hate on him more than they will Rumsfeld or any of the DOD neocon flunkies.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 05:15:49 PM
What's with all this badmouthing KFC all of a sudden? :punch :punch
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 05:16:31 PM
Quote
"[Obama is] just one of those guys, you know, like Will Smith. There's no Will Smith jokes. There's no Brad Pitt jokes. You know, what are you going to say? "Ooh, you used to have sex with Jennifer Anniston. Now you have sex with Angelina Jolie. You're such a loser." What do you say? "Ooh, your movies are big. You make $20 million." There's nothing to say about Brad Pitt...[With Obama it's] like "Ooh, you're young and virile and you've got a beautiful wife and kids. You're the first African-American president." You know, what do you say?," - Chris Rock.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/01/19/chris.rock.kill.the.messenger/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
kfc is pretty weak if you have a popeyes or bojangles around, IMO.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
obama should sign into law a bill renaming the Republican Party to "Great Enemy of the People".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
obama should sign into law a bill renaming the Republican Party to "Great Enemy of the People".

I always knew Fragamemnon secretly thought that the Republican Party was great.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
kfc is pretty weak if you have a popeyes or bojangles around, IMO.

I dunno, whatever they put on the skin with KFC is pretty damn tasty, in comparison to Popeye's at least. Never heard of Bojangles, tho.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 20, 2009, 05:22:33 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
kfc is pretty weak if you have a popeyes or bojangles around, IMO.

I dunno, whatever they put on the skin with KFC is pretty damn tasty.
salt
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 20, 2009, 05:24:34 PM
i'm looking forward to socialism

a lot of you make way more than i do, and i can't wait until you're paying for all my shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 20, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
obama should sign into law a bill renaming the Republican Party to "Great Enemy of the People".

if one of his first acts isn't the trial and execution of the entire bush administration for crimes against humanity, then obama = disappointment total
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 05:28:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 05:16:31 PM
Quote
"[Obama is] just one of those guys, you know, like Will Smith. There's no Will Smith jokes. There's no Brad Pitt jokes. You know, what are you going to say? "Ooh, you used to have sex with Jennifer Anniston. Now you have sex with Angelina Jolie. You're such a loser." What do you say? "Ooh, your movies are big. You make $20 million." There's nothing to say about Brad Pitt...[With Obama it's] like "Ooh, you're young and virile and you've got a beautiful wife and kids. You're the first African-American president." You know, what do you say?," - Chris Rock.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/01/19/chris.rock.kill.the.messenger/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

 :lol

I do have to say. What impressed me most about Obama wasn't that he was a darkie that got lucky, but just the fact that he seems like the most unassailable politician in history. It's nigh impossible to make fun of the guy. He really is the magical distinguished black fellow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 05:35:36 PM
You can mock him as the "messiah" ala Rush, but even that rings hollow. He's a genuinely cool guy who treats people fairly. It's no wonder why people on the fringes of the right are so scared of him. Obama may strongly disagree with someone but he's  going to go out his way to hear their argument. People like Rush/Palin/etc and the other "good vs evil" people need to evolve.

If Obama has a relatively good first term and stays out of trouble...what will the republicans be able to do in 2012?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 20, 2009, 05:43:27 PM
What happened with ManaByte? Tell me or so help me god I will loop that song on the forum
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on January 20, 2009, 05:47:06 PM
Quote from: Malek on January 20, 2009, 05:22:33 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 05:22:07 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
kfc is pretty weak if you have a popeyes or bojangles around, IMO.

I dunno, whatever they put on the skin with KFC is pretty damn tasty.
salt

it's chicken-scented shampoo.  hides the cardboard smell.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
I once had a nightmare about fried-chicken-flavored ice cream.  It was the worst dream I've ever had.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2009, 06:01:08 PM
Quote from: Crushed on January 20, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
obama should sign into law a bill renaming the Republican Party to "Great Enemy of the People".

if one of his first acts isn't the trial and execution of the entire bush administration for crimes against humanity, then obama = disappointment total

:bow crushed :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on January 20, 2009, 06:01:08 PM
Quote from: Crushed on January 20, 2009, 05:25:44 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
obama should sign into law a bill renaming the Republican Party to "Great Enemy of the People".

if one of his first acts isn't the trial and execution of the entire bush administration for crimes against humanity, then obama = disappointment total

:bow crushed :bow2

Everything we've seen so far suggests otherwise. He hugs Bush and then secretly poisons Byrd and Kennedy? Closet Republican total.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2009, 06:22:04 PM
So I see this posted on somebody's facebook page:
Quote
well i thinkg we need more people to protest like me and maybe we will start a mass riot against the liberal communistic bastard of a president we have

I can understand not liking him for his policies, but this guy doesn't even know wtf he's talking about.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 06:37:42 PM
Obama won't push the trial of anything like that. He is trying to be as non-partisan as possible. He doesn't want the dems vs. republicans mindset.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: archie4208 on January 20, 2009, 06:40:39 PM
Was listening to Hannity on the way home from work today.  Hoo boy he is a bitter little man. :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
obama should sign into law a bill renaming the Republican Party to "Great Enemy of the People".

:bow Frag :bow2

Butthurt republican believe only a white, rich guy should be president. They fail to see how refreshing it is to NOT have a big oil or corporate mouth piece running the nation.
A fatherless child who put himself through Harvard is still a filthy poor in their eyes.
smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 20, 2009, 06:52:59 PM

A fatherless child who put himself through Harvard is still a filthy poor in their eyes.
smh
He was still paying off student loans till 2007. Those type of republicans probably don't even know what a student loan is.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 07:00:23 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 20, 2009, 06:52:59 PM

A fatherless child who put himself through Harvard is still a filthy poor in their eyes.
smh
He was still paying off student loans till 2007. Those type of republicans probably don't even know what a student loan is.

True.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 20, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 20, 2009, 06:52:59 PM

A fatherless child who put himself through Harvard is still a filthy poor in their eyes.
smh
He was still paying off student loans till 2007. Those type of republicans probably don't even know what a student loan is.

Goddamn, is that true.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 20, 2009, 07:11:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2009, 05:35:36 PM
You can mock him as the "messiah" ala Rush, but even that rings hollow. He's a genuinely cool guy who treats people fairly. It's no wonder why people on the fringes of the right are so scared of him. Obama may strongly disagree with someone but he's  going to go out his way to hear their argument. People like Rush/Palin/etc and the other "good vs evil" people need to evolve.

I think that is what steams the right wing's clams more than anything.  Obama isn't partisan enough, making their job much tougher to really do.  So they invent stuff or have various meltdowns.  For the next 4-8 years, we'll be seeing a lot of desperate straw grasping and I'll love every minute of it.

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If Obama has a relatively good first term and stays out of trouble...what will the republicans be able to do in 2012?

Continue to vent impotent rage and then kill off the remaining scraps of the GOP by having a Palin ticket.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 20, 2009, 06:52:59 PM

A fatherless child who put himself through Harvard is still a filthy poor in their eyes.
smh
He was still paying off student loans till 2007. Those type of republicans probably don't even know what a student loan is.

Wow, so he's a filthy poor too?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on January 20, 2009, 07:15:04 PM
http://i.gizmodo.com/5135625/cnns-inauguration-day-photosynth-compiles-crowdsourced-photos-in-3d-but-its-no-hologram

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 20, 2009, 07:41:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 20, 2009, 04:04:54 PM
I'm saying we will have some sort of national banking entity to prop up the private ones by april

Pfft...

I'll be shocked if it doesn't happen within a month. Heck, as bad as things continued to slide today, they may need to do it by the end of the month.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 07:55:35 PM
I really hope Obama holds these people accountable since the Bush administration turned a blind eye. A lot of people got rich off of wall st. and sub prime lending, but the only blame I've ever heard was brought on the poors "living beyond their means."
After seeing my mortgage statement for the year.
$8,000+ interest
~$600 on principal
I've lost a ton of faith in a financial system that sets people up to fail. It is legal thievery. :maf

And guess what's next! I'll probably have to borrow all that equity back in 10 years to put my oldest through college. Who knows if I'll be able to afford to put the other 2 through by then. :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 20, 2009, 08:33:09 PM
Putting them through college?  Make them pay their own way like I had to.

I don't expect any kind of accountability from the Bush era.  Punishing these people doesn't really do any good because the mentality and philosophy has poisoned the system, not individuals.  It isn't like these individuals were being particularly devious or crafty.  The public fell in love with privatization because they wanted to save a few bucks on their taxes not knowing or really caring what the long term consequences might be.

The best we might get is a show trial type situation where the company CEOs, Presidents, etc. have a hangdog expression while Congress berates them (while voting for these businesses' initiatives a couple years prior).  Then when push comes to shove, they'll do very little.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: lordmaji on January 20, 2009, 08:39:35 PM
President Iraq Hussian Osama Bin Ladin.

The end is nigh!  :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: T EXP on January 20, 2009, 08:33:09 PM
Putting them through college?  Make them pay their own way like I had to.

I don't expect any kind of accountability from the Bush era.  Punishing these people doesn't really do any good because the mentality and philosophy has poisoned the system, not individuals.  It isn't like these individuals were being particularly devious or crafty.  The public fell in love with privatization because they wanted to save a few bucks on their taxes not knowing or really caring what the long term consequences might be.

The best we might get is a show trial type situation where the company CEOs, Presidents, etc. have a hangdog expression while Congress berates them (while voting for these businesses' initiatives a couple years prior).  Then when push comes to shove, they'll do very little.

Doesn't do any good?  Really?  I mean they blatantly broke the law repeatedly on the grounds that hey, it's the fucking president and he can do what he wants.  All the dumbfuck talking heads can say "Good job, he's helping America move past this," but there are plenty of little toads out there who will see the complete lack of accountability and use it to their advantage somewhere on down the line.  The Bush administration had no real regard for law or the will of the public, and tried as best they could to enact their agenda by any means necessary, but they at least tried to act like they cared about the law to avoid prosecution.  I couldn't even imagine how bad things could get if the people in charge decided it wasn't even worth doing that anymore.  Shame that the Dems probably won't pursue prosecutions we'll be paying for it later on.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on January 20, 2009, 10:54:49 PM
I went to the national mall both today and on Sunday during the concert thing... to watch a jumbotron out in the cold with a fuckton of people both times  :lol

But hey, I was there, and I'm local anyway (though the walk to the mall I took today isn't a short one).
I was lucky enough to see Obama's motorcade speed by Sunday, I think I saw his hand waving in there :omg

Anyway, I just feel relieved now, for the most part, that it's finally happened and Bush/Cheney are finally out.  Hopefully he does well... signs have been looking pretty good so far from my perspective.  It'll have to be a big improvement.

edit: We also saw Bush's helicopter flying out on our way home... kinda cool.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
so um is anything going to happen now?  this is boring. 

and don't tell me it's 11pm and the presidenty people are going to bed.  if i had just become president i would totally be up all night issuing executive orders and proclamations and shit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 20, 2009, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
so um is anything going to happen now?  this is boring. 

and don't tell me it's 11pm and the presidenty people are going to bed.  if i had just become president i would totally be up all night issuing executive orders and proclamations and shit.

They're attending all the Inaugural Balls in D.C. The girls are at the White House watching movies while Mom and Dad are partying until 3am.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 20, 2009, 02:57:06 PM
For those who remain really upset about Barack Obama’s election, here is a new argument contesting his legitimacy, courtesy of Fox News Channel. Noting that Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed his recitation of the oath of office during the swearing-in ceremony, Chris Wallace, the Fox News anchor, said: “I’m not sure that Barack Obama really is the President of the United States. Because the oath of office is set in the Constitution, and I wasn’t at all convinced that even after he tried to amend it that John Roberts ever got it out straight and that Barack Obama ever said the prescribed words. I suspect that everybody is going to forgive him and allow him to take over as president but I’m not sure he actually said what is in the Constitution.”

from the times

lmfao, I said this as a joke while watching it
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 20, 2009, 11:15:21 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 20, 2009, 02:57:06 PM
For those who remain really upset about Barack Obama’s election, here is a new argument contesting his legitimacy, courtesy of Fox News Channel. Noting that Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed his recitation of the oath of office during the swearing-in ceremony, Chris Wallace, the Fox News anchor, said: “I’m not sure that Barack Obama really is the President of the United States. Because the oath of office is set in the Constitution, and I wasn’t at all convinced that even after he tried to amend it that John Roberts ever got it out straight and that Barack Obama ever said the prescribed words. I suspect that everybody is going to forgive him and allow him to take over as president but I’m not sure he actually said what is in the Constitution.”

from the times

lmfao, I said this as a joke while watching it

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-fails-to-take-oath-as-required-by.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 20, 2009, 11:44:13 PM
Anyone see this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i3J1bSjAqA

Quote
After Obama's speech this morning, on a small triangle of grass between the Lincoln Memorial and the Memorial Bridge, we discovered a giant inflatable statue of George W. Bush, posed like the famously-toppled statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad. The statue had a plaque that described Bush matter-of-factly, with no punch-line, allowing viewers to project their own feelings onto the work. It had guy lines loosely holding it up from various points. You can probably guess what happened next.

You didn't guess someone would face-hump it?

People also threw shoes, water bottles, and anything else they could find.

A father and son team brought the statue from Minnesota and set it up here without a permit. They told us they had asked authorities if they needed one, but police said they had no specific rules against inflatables, so it could stay. Some park police apparently even thanked them for it, thinking it a tribute to the outgoing president. They seemed as surprised as we were that it hadn't been removed. The statue was conceived by the 20-year-old son as an art project.

It made our day.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 11:45:07 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 20, 2009, 10:57:35 PM
so um is anything going to happen now?  this is boring. 

and don't tell me it's 11pm and the presidenty people are going to bed.  if i had just become president i would totally be up all night issuing executive orders and proclamations and shit.
The President and Michelle are dancing right now on tv for like a few hours now. Or as the President called it "kicking it old school".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
as cnn pointed out, obama automatically became president at 12:00 p.m. because the swearing in is a formality and not required by the constitution
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2009, 11:48:32 PM
:rofl   DM

That was awesome!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on January 20, 2009, 11:51:15 PM
I saw that inflatable Bush statue in person on the way to memorial bridge, it was pretty awesome.  They kept pulling it down and people would take pictures.  I got a couple of shots.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 21, 2009, 03:06:49 AM
Quote from: Spencer on January 21, 2009, 02:31:33 AM
weed legal yet?

hopefully never

you'll see why once you smoke too much of it
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: lordmaji on January 21, 2009, 03:20:56 AM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 21, 2009, 03:06:49 AM
Quote from: Spencer on January 21, 2009, 02:31:33 AM
weed legal yet?

hopefully never

you'll see why once you smoke too much of it

hater. :(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 21, 2009, 04:53:18 AM
Weed never did anything for me, but it should, obviously, be legal.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2009, 05:11:40 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 20, 2009, 02:57:06 PM
For those who remain really upset about Barack Obama’s election, here is a new argument contesting his legitimacy, courtesy of Fox News Channel. Noting that Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed his recitation of the oath of office during the swearing-in ceremony, Chris Wallace, the Fox News anchor, said: “I’m not sure that Barack Obama really is the President of the United States. Because the oath of office is set in the Constitution, and I wasn’t at all convinced that even after he tried to amend it that John Roberts ever got it out straight and that Barack Obama ever said the prescribed words. I suspect that everybody is going to forgive him and allow him to take over as president but I’m not sure he actually said what is in the Constitution.”

from the times

lmfao, I said this as a joke while watching it

I thought the same shit. And then I wondered if the justice administering had been the one to mess it up. I couldn't picture Obama, a known smooth talker, to have flubbed something. He looked surprised, then patiently waited for the guy to correct himself.

Anyway, I'd love to see some rightwing nutjob try to bring that to court. Hannity could deal with having that comment spread far and wide, revealing him for the petty, screeching, feeble excuse of a journalist he is. Man, who the hell is that guy's core audience? Other shrill nutjobs?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cloudwalking on January 21, 2009, 08:56:59 AM
i saw this today while walking around:

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/meganekko_pie/obamabeck.jpg)

(daily special: OBAMA MUFFINS)

i couldn't help it, i bought two.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n156/meganekko_pie/obamamuffins.jpg)

yummmmmy

i'm so glad obama is president now if it results in glorious muffins like this being produced :hyper
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on January 21, 2009, 09:27:59 AM
Quote from: Malek on January 20, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
Once your shitty banks are all under, you'll be begging for Canadian beaver pelts.

Canadian beaver pelts :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 21, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
Wow its really happening:
(http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/360_obama_oval_0121.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T234 on January 21, 2009, 11:55:59 AM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 21, 2009, 03:06:49 AM
Quote from: Spencer on January 21, 2009, 02:31:33 AM
weed legal yet?

hopefully never

you'll see why once you smoke too much of it

lol distinguished Apple fellow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 21, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 20, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 20, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 20, 2009, 06:52:59 PM

A fatherless child who put himself through Harvard is still a filthy poor in their eyes.
smh
He was still paying off student loans till 2007. Those type of republicans probably don't even know what a student loan is.

Wow, so he's a filthy poor too?
He's mostly been a public servant all his life.  That's not where the high salaries are.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bloodwake on January 21, 2009, 12:05:20 PM
So, anyone hear about ex-president Bush and what he's up to today?

That has a nice ring to it: Ex-President Bush.


:D
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 21, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
120 day halt to all gitmo proceedings

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T234 on January 21, 2009, 12:16:16 PM
That was FAST
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
I knew as soon as I got into this thread, I would see more info about your tweet, cloud.

I am jealous  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cloudwalking on January 21, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 21, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
I knew as soon as I got into this thread, I would see more info about your tweet, cloud.

I am jealous  :'(

what's your twitter username?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2009, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: cloudwalking on January 21, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 21, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
I knew as soon as I got into this thread, I would see more info about your tweet, cloud.

I am jealous  :'(

what's your twitter username?

Oh shit, I forgot you weren't following me.  It's DeathbyVolcano.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cloudwalking on January 21, 2009, 01:03:53 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 21, 2009, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: cloudwalking on January 21, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 21, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
I knew as soon as I got into this thread, I would see more info about your tweet, cloud.

I am jealous  :'(

what's your twitter username?

Oh shit, I forgot you weren't following me.  It's DeathbyVolcano.

didn't realize it was you! i'll add you :)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2009, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 21, 2009, 12:15:03 PM
120 day halt to all gitmo proceedings


Wuuuuuu00t!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CurseoftheGods on January 21, 2009, 08:52:21 PM
:teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
Here's a bunch of epic pictures from yesterday:


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/the_inauguration_of_president.html

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4403_17681689.jpg)
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 21, 2009, 09:37:50 PM
good lord that spoilered picture
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 21, 2009, 09:40:52 PM
That is awesome TA. Anyone hear any estimates? Is 2.3M anywhere close?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 21, 2009, 10:03:07 PM
Eww, it's an infestation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2009, 10:15:20 PM
it's good to know that when our 1000 foot tall invaders come, they'll be disgusted by us running before they stomp us
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 21, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
holy fuck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 21, 2009, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 21, 2009, 10:15:20 PM
it's good to know that when our 1000 foot tall invaders come, they'll be disgusted by us running before they stomp us

Megatron: Ugh, fleshlings...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2009, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
Here's a bunch of epic pictures from yesterday:


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/the_inauguration_of_president.html

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4403_17681689.jpg)
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"From up here all the people look like ants!"

"They are ants."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 21, 2009, 11:14:46 PM
little do they know that as we speak, obama is already struggling with his illuminati masters

they try to control him, but he will not falter. he will reveal to the public... the wu-tang secret. this will have major and immediate global political consequences, unprecedented in nature.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 21, 2009, 11:16:12 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2009, 09:29:48 PM
Here's a bunch of epic pictures from yesterday:


http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/01/the_inauguration_of_president.html

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/44_01_21/4403_17681689.jpg)
[close]

Hey that looks like the wastelands in fallout 3!   :o

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I hate that I have to say I'm only joking  :'(
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2009, 11:23:30 PM
The illuminati is toothless.  Oprah's "dark crusaders" and the gay mafia have finally taken over.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: trh on January 22, 2009, 02:15:55 AM
http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/obama.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: lordmaji on January 22, 2009, 02:26:03 AM
Quote from: Green Man on January 22, 2009, 02:19:25 AM
(http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4696.JPG)


Holy Shit  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol I want one!

 :lol :lol that's awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 22, 2009, 09:03:50 AM
Obama-sama sighed as he drew his twin katana. The gaijin must pay for the second swearing-in.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
So since he was sworn in twice does Obama have like double president powers now?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 22, 2009, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
So since he was sworn in twice does Obama have like double president powers now?
(http://i42.tinypic.com/16ism5x.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2009, 10:31:11 AM
 :o  That's even cooler! 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 22, 2009, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on January 22, 2009, 10:54:10 AM
Does this mean he gets to serve only 1 term?  :(
If any Republican actually tries to argue this, it will prove that they all have the minds of children.



It'll be nice to have a president that actually works for a change, though, considering that Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at his ranch in Crawford. (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4728085.shtml)

aka, 2 and 2/3 years on vacation, or a third of his presidency
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 22, 2009, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: Crushed on January 22, 2009, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on January 22, 2009, 10:54:10 AM
Does this mean he gets to serve only 1 term?  :(
If any Republican actually tries to argue this, it will prove that they all have the minds of children.



It'll be nice to have a president that actually works for a change, though, considering that Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days at his ranch in Crawford. (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/01/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4728085.shtml)

aka, 2 and 2/3 years on vacation, or a third of his presidency

:o  wow   :maf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 22, 2009, 11:18:20 PM
From the ACLU newsletter today:
Quote
With four executive orders today, our new President:

    * Ordered Guantánamo Bay shut down
    * Banned torture
    * Ordered a full review of U.S. detention policies and procedures, and
    * Delayed the trial of Ali al-Marri, an ACLU client whose case is at the center of the Supreme Court’s review of indefinite detention policies.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 22, 2009, 11:20:55 PM
Quote from: chronovore on January 22, 2009, 11:18:20 PM
From the ACLU newsletter today:
Quote
With four executive orders today, our new President:

    * Ordered Guantánamo Bay shut down
    * Banned torture
    * Ordered a full review of U.S. detention policies and procedures, and
    * Delayed the trial of Ali al-Marri, an ACLU client whose case is at the center of the Supreme Court’s review of indefinite detention policies.
:bow

He has done more things I approve of in his first 2 days than Bush did in 8 years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 22, 2009, 11:21:07 PM
So he is a terrorist sympathizer.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
lol
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2009, 11:30:06 PM
(http://people-press.org/reports/images/485-1.gif)


My global warming disinformation campaign is working! :bow Let the checks roll in now.


http://people-press.org/report/485/economy-top-policy-priority
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 22, 2009, 11:34:05 PM
LOL at deficit reduction. Good luck  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on January 22, 2009, 11:54:02 PM
Obama's looking crazy good to me so far  8)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2009, 11:57:28 PM
closing gitmo? he's already making the mistakes of our last black president, Wayne Palmer  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 22, 2009, 11:59:09 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 21, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
Wow its really happening:
(http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/360_obama_oval_0121.jpg)

What, he's finally contacting Batman?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: treythemovie on January 23, 2009, 02:46:05 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 22, 2009, 11:59:09 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 21, 2009, 11:53:02 AM
Wow its really happening:
(http://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/360_obama_oval_0121.jpg)

What, he's finally contacting Batman?

Batman is going to be Secretary of Closing Gitmo

(http://i42.tinypic.com/24uxnc7.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 23, 2009, 08:15:07 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/arts/music/23band.html?_r=2&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/arts/music/23band.html?_r=2&hp)

I actually thought to myself how incredible it was that they were playing so well in freezing weather. smh...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 23, 2009, 10:27:06 AM
The Obama facade is quickly crumbling....
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2009, 11:31:07 AM
Is Gitmo really going to be closed, or will Obama just say hey I tried but the republicans didn't want change. Plus I can't help but think it's dangerous: if an attack occurs, he'll be blamed for freeing terrorists regardless of whether that had any influence on it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 23, 2009, 10:27:06 AM
The Obama facade is quickly crumbling....
Based on what exactly? I can't think of a single thing he hasn't done in his first 3 days in offices that go against his campaign promises. Hell he has been pushing through his campaign promises at a far faster rate than Bush or Clinton did.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: dammitmattt on January 23, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Quote from: Green Man on January 22, 2009, 11:41:50 PM
Quote from: chronovore on January 22, 2009, 11:18:20 PM
From the ACLU newsletter today:
Quote
With four executive orders today, our new President:

    * Ordered Guantánamo Bay shut down
    * Banned torture
    * Ordered a full review of U.S. detention policies and procedures, and
    * Delayed the trial of Ali al-Marri, an ACLU client whose case is at the center of the Supreme Court’s review of indefinite detention policies.

God Damn, looks like the next 4 years is going to be FILLED with awesome.

In times like these, we need Jack Bauer more than ever.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 12:30:42 PM
Quote from: dammitmattt on January 23, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Quote from: Green Man on January 22, 2009, 11:41:50 PM
Quote from: chronovore on January 22, 2009, 11:18:20 PM
From the ACLU newsletter today:
Quote
With four executive orders today, our new President:

    * Ordered Guantánamo Bay shut down
    * Banned torture
    * Ordered a full review of U.S. detention policies and procedures, and
    * Delayed the trial of Ali al-Marri, an ACLU client whose case is at the center of the Supreme Court’s review of indefinite detention policies.

God Damn, looks like the next 4 years is going to be FILLED with awesome.

In times like these, we need Jack Bauer more than ever.
Under President Obama Bauer would be rotting in jail probably lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 23, 2009, 01:40:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdBE5Y-jNSo
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
President Obama apparently has ordered a un-manned drone air strike of certain parts of Pakistan . hahah wtf


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/23/terror/main4749317.shtml

7 were killed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: bud on January 23, 2009, 01:48:24 PM
i still don't get why they used the bible instead of the koran.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 01:49:53 PM
Yeah, I probably flipped too much, but the fucker doesn't explain wtf he means.  It's frustrating.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on January 23, 2009, 02:51:48 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 23, 2009, 01:49:53 PM
Yeah, I probably flipped too much, but the fucker doesn't explain wtf he means.  It's frustrating.

Pheonix Dark scolded me when I bitched about Dax on EB  :'(

jk, PD just pointed out that the kid is like 15.  But so is Green Man and he's a way better poster then fucking Dax.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 03:47:09 PM
The guy is fucking 15?  Wow, never fucking mind.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 23, 2009, 04:17:04 PM
ha ha ha you got trolled by a 15 year old. maybe you should cut your beard as punishment
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 04:22:24 PM
Dax always asks the most meaningless questions just to ask questions in poligaf. It is so weird.

And he isn't 15. He is like about to turn 18 I think.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2009, 04:25:47 PM
I'm pretty sure he's 16
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2009, 04:42:19 PM
My favorite dax posts running up to the election in poligaf were, "I just got back from school. What did I miss?" Some people did summaries at first, then they were like "dude, you ain't amir0x. Read up yourself."

He never did that again.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
He asks a lot of questions where there is NO WAY the answer would be at all useful to him but he asks them anyway. Like if poligaf is discussing some new exec. order from obama he always pops in and asks something useless like "oh what time did he sign it?" "was sitting in his desk?" or something.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 23, 2009, 04:50:10 PM
Dax sux. Most of poligaf sucks though.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
It's better now than when 80% of the posts were poll numbers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 23, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
It's better now than when 80% of the posts were poll numbers.

Haha, not really. Polls have been replaced by live blogging TDS or Fox news.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 23, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
It's better now than when 80% of the posts were poll numbers.

Haha, not really. Polls have been replaced by live blogging TDS or Fox news.





The amount of liveblogging of FoxNews is amazing. I wonder what type of ratings it'd get if all the liberals who have a persecution complex stopped watching it. I never got that. You don't see right-wingers religiously watch Keith Olbermann just so they have more reasons to hate him. It's odd.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2009, 05:02:34 PM
Olberman maybe the bane of the right wing, but he doesn't intentionally mislead or outright lie.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
I never really got into his show, I don't like watching someone yell and rant even if I agree with him. I rather watch Maddow who is waaaay more level headed and has lots of republicans on her show.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 06:24:06 PM
Ugh, facebook has become horrible in the last couple of days.  Just read this:

"FUCKFACE thinks obama is a dumfuk i dont want to spend my own mony on dumasses who want abortions"

jesus  :-\

needless to say, I deleted him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on January 23, 2009, 06:26:48 PM
I'm stealing that status.  It's fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 06:32:37 PM
Living in Ohio, I get a shitload of people with status updates like that:

"God Bless George Bush, history will vindicate you!"
"getting shopping done before barak sends in the terrists :)"
"ashamed of my faschist president..."
"who fucking likes this communist?"---noted, the last two were from the same person
"god, he needs assinated (spelled exactly like that"

ugh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on January 23, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
he does need assinated :hump
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 23, 2009, 07:21:24 PM
Quote
"ashamed of my faschist president..."

that's actually a better spelling than the more common "facist", though, as it makes more sense (especially given the wrong, but understandable, supposition of the word's German origin he's probably made).

edit: in fact that IS how it's rendered in German apparently.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 23, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 23, 2009, 06:32:37 PM
Living in Ohio, I get a shitload of people with status updates like that:

"God Bless George Bush, history will vindicate you!"
"getting shopping done before barak sends in the terrists :)"
"ashamed of my faschist president..."
"who fucking likes this communist?"---noted, the last two were from the same person
"god, he needs assinated (spelled exactly like that"

ugh.

you sure you dont live in Michigan?

im pretty sure you live in Michigan
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 07:47:06 PM
they're pretty much the same
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
next time ask them what fascist means, and what socialist means while you're at it.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 23, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
whats this racist shit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Kestastrophe on January 23, 2009, 09:01:31 PM
no shit, I always thought that it was spelled "facist". good lookin out recursive
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 09:51:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2009, 08:09:17 PM
next time ask them what fascist means, and what socialist means while you're at it.



I just delete them, they aren't worth arguing with.  They're convinced that Obama is still a terrorist.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 09:57:32 PM
I wouldn't blame Ohio, Obama won Ohio by a solid margin. You just have some fucked up friends.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 09:58:45 PM
And come on? MI hate? Michigan has been against Bush and co. for a lot longer than the rest of the country.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 10:03:00 PM
I still want to know how he found anyone like that to be friends with. There are people who are under 30 who like Bush? I didn't even realize that was possible. Other than crazy religious christian conservatives. And if you hang out with those crowds.... :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 23, 2009, 10:14:05 PM
i always assumed he meets a lot a shithead fratboys
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 10:21:38 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on January 23, 2009, 10:14:05 PM
i always assumed he meets a lot a shithead fratboys
That's even worse.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 11:07:37 PM
I'm just one of those guys who used to accept pretty much anyone who friend requested me on facebook from my high school, but I've learned the hard way to not do that.  These were not ever my friends.

And yes, I WOULD blame Ohio, at least the part I'm from.  It's a middle-class town with trust fund kiddies who believe everything their parents tell them and don't open up to new ideas.  The worst cases believe, yes, that Bush was a great president.

And yes, the irony of it all is that these kids became fratboys and have gained like 60 lbs already.

And Michigan and Ohio are hardly different.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 23, 2009, 11:07:37 PM
And Michigan and Ohio are hardly different.
Politically? Seeing how that is what the topic is they are. Obama won MI by a lot more than he did in OH, and Bush won OH both times he ran. Democrats carried MI both times. MI is a lot more democratic than OH.

Although I live in Ann Arbor so what I see it skewed. US News & World Report called it one of the 5 most liberal friendly cities in the country and pot is decriminalized...etc. So I see MI through a different lense than most of the state.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 23, 2009, 11:21:45 PM
what a fucking weirdo. rubix cubes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2009, 11:24:44 PM
Meh, tt's all anecdotal for me.  From what I've experienced in the middle-to-upper class communites of both Ohio and Michigan, the majority of kids who can't even fucking vote yet will tell you how Obama's letting in the turrists.

and yeah, wtf at rubix cubes.  Whatever guy out there who doesn't even watch the fucking Super Bowl is wacky.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 23, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
makes a rule and then waives it for someone the next day

obama lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 11:59:21 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 23, 2009, 11:24:44 PM
 From what I've experienced in the middle-to-upper class communites of both Ohio and Michigan, the majority of kids who can't even fucking vote yet will tell you how Obama's letting in the turrists.


The white under 25 group was one of Obama's strongest voting blocks, yes in OH as well. You live in bizarro land.


and yes rubix cubes.  :lol poor kid. I bet he wears a pocket protector.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 12:04:01 AM
Here we go, from CNN:

Ohio (18-24):
Obama: 61%
McCain: 38%

Michigan (18-24):
Obama: 67%
McCain: 30%
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on January 24, 2009, 12:14:25 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/11tqy52.jpg)

get it away get it away
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 24, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
It is kind of refreshing to have some competent leadership.  However, I'm so used to it being so subpar that this is kind of a new experience for me.

I know a lot of under 25 people that are Republicans.  They're not Jesus freaks or really rich people.  A lot of it has to do with their parents.  If their parents are Republicans, there is a decent chance the kids will be too.  Mostly social factors.  Then you got the upper middle class kids that think they're going to be millionaires that bitch about taxes holding them back from being a millionaire.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2009, 12:23:52 AM
Quote from: a slime appears on January 23, 2009, 08:51:20 PM
http://tinyurl.com/dbngl4 (http://tinyurl.com/dbngl4)

omfg  :lol :lol :lol

This is fuck awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 12:47:38 AM
Quote from: T EXP on January 24, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
It is kind of refreshing to have some competent leadership.  However, I'm so used to it being so subpar that this is kind of a new experience for me.

It's amazing, isn't it? We spent the last 8 years under a president who makes previous disgraces look 'Not That Bad' in comparison.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/m7dhmo.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 24, 2009, 12:54:15 AM
Marty Lederman, who's blogged about the Bush admin torture and detention policies over the last few years, has gotten a job in the Obama administration.

He'll be Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Office of Legal Counsel, which is John Yoo's job.  Yoo is a huge bete noir of the left and a top 5 Worst Living American, so this gets a bajillion good symbolism points.

Lederman's written as much and as well about the legal issues of torture as much as anyone, whereas John Yoo thinks the president should be allowed to crush all the innocent, underage testicles he wants. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt1-eWU2Ii0)

Also, one of the executive orders says that the government can't rely on any legal opinions given from 2001-2008 on torture, basically retconning away all the damaging bullshit written by Yoo, David Addington, and the rest of the assholes.

Fuckin sweet.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 24, 2009, 01:18:53 AM
Quote from: T EXP on January 24, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
A lot of it has to do with their parents.  If their parents are Republicans, there is a decent chance the kids will be too.  Mostly social factors. 

Children are likely to absorb their parents' political affiliations, regardless of what those affiliations are--this isn't simply a Republican thing. The same is true with their political ideologies, but this is strongly influenced by genetic factors. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/science/21gene.html?ei=5090&en=dde7d8feedd2f87f&ex=1277006400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 24, 2009, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 24, 2009, 12:54:15 AM
Also, one of the executive orders says that the government can't rely on any legal opinions given from 2001-2008 on torture, basically retconning away all the damaging bullshit written by Yoo, David Addington, and the rest of the assholes.

holy damn that is awesome.  can i get the source?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 24, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on January 24, 2009, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 24, 2009, 12:54:15 AM
Also, one of the executive orders says that the government can't rely on any legal opinions given from 2001-2008 on torture, basically retconning away all the damaging bullshit written by Yoo, David Addington, and the rest of the assholes.

holy damn that is awesome.  can i get the source?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/EnsuringLawfulInterrogations/

Quote from: Executive Order
(c)  Interpretations of Common Article 3 and the Army Field Manual.  From this day forward, unless the Attorney General with appropriate consultation provides further guidance, officers, employees, and other agents of the United States Government may, in conducting interrogations, act in reliance upon Army Field Manual 2 22.3, but may not, in conducting interrogations, rely upon any interpretation of the law governing interrogation -- including interpretations of Federal criminal laws, the Convention Against Torture, Common Article 3, Army Field Manual 2 22.3, and its predecessor document, Army Field Manual 34 52    issued by the Department of Justice between September 11, 2001, and January 20, 2009.

I honestly didn't expect so much early action in this area.  Obama's campaign was run mostly on bread-and-butter issues and he wasn't exactly Russ Feingold in the Senate.  Plus you never bet on politicians voluntarily giving up power.

But the early signals about detainee policy and transparency have been really, really good.  Time will tell yadda yadda, but still.  Good times.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 24, 2009, 03:30:41 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 05:00:05 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 23, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 23, 2009, 04:51:38 PM
It's better now than when 80% of the posts were poll numbers.

Haha, not really. Polls have been replaced by live blogging TDS or Fox news.





The amount of liveblogging of FoxNews is amazing. I wonder what type of ratings it'd get if all the liberals who have a persecution complex stopped watching it. I never got that. You don't see right-wingers religiously watch Keith Olbermann just so they have more reasons to hate him. It's odd.

It's not odd. Fox News has been feeding the hate and ignorance cycle which typified the reigning party of the last eight years. When liberals wanted to know why the rest of America was acting in such a reactionary manner, usually there was one good place to check. We had been looking for reasons why things were such utter shit.

In contrast, there was no real reason why right-wing needed to know what liberals were thinking at all. They had control over all three branches of government, and the most popular news sources supported their worldview. Why ask questions?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 24, 2009, 10:07:27 AM
Man, it is terrible to think just how far to the right Bush was of Nixon.

Quote from: Malek on January 24, 2009, 01:18:53 AM
Quote from: T EXP on January 24, 2009, 12:17:00 AM
A lot of it has to do with their parents.  If their parents are Republicans, there is a decent chance the kids will be too.  Mostly social factors. 

Children are likely to absorb their parents' political affiliations, regardless of what those affiliations are--this isn't simply a Republican thing. The same is true with their political ideologies, but this is strongly influenced by genetic factors. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/science/21gene.html?ei=5090&en=dde7d8feedd2f87f&ex=1277006400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print)

I agree but people were asking why there is a good number of young Republicans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 24, 2009, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 23, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
makes a rule and then waives it for someone the next day

obama lol

"I won"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
Quote
President Obama told the Republican lawmakers that "you can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/01/61847002/1

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-damn.gif)



on a related note, to remind you all that rush limbaugh is a hate-filled idiot loon: (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/21/limbaugh-foia-bush/)
Quote
What I’m afraid of is that what Obama did with this executive order is actually make it easier for the media to go get Bush documents. Because you know Pelosi and some of the guys over in Congress are talking about war crimes trials and charges and so forth. […]

What I’m afraid of is what Obama’s done here is made the gathering of the information for this kind of stuff– This is not American. This is not America. This is not what America does. We don’t– This is Banana Republic kind of stuff.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 10:55:50 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 24, 2009, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 23, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
makes a rule and then waives it for someone the next day

obama lol

"I won"
He did win, as did his party. In a landslide. Republicans need to remember that. There is a mandate for the public for big government spending, Republicans in the senate seem to understand this (McConnel has all but said the GOP in the senate will support Obama's stimulus package without opposition) but the GOP in the house is still in some sort of denial about it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 24, 2009, 10:59:31 AM
The House of Representatives is a collective piece of shit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 10:55:50 AM
He did win, as did his party. In a landslide. Republicans need to remember that. There is a mandate for the public for big government spending, Republicans in the senate seem to understand this (McConnel has all but said the GOP in the senate will support Obama's stimulus package without opposition) but the GOP in the house is still in some sort of denial about it.

Democrats also have a hard time accepting the idea that they won. Which they need to get over.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 24, 2009, 11:02:51 AM
accountability is unamerican

well, some might contend that ...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 24, 2009, 11:03:44 AM
Quote from: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 10:55:50 AM
He did win, as did his party. In a landslide. Republicans need to remember that. There is a mandate for the public for big government spending, Republicans in the senate seem to understand this (McConnel has all but said the GOP in the senate will support Obama's stimulus package without opposition) but the GOP in the house is still in some sort of denial about it.

Democrats also have a hard time accepting the idea that they won. Which they need to get over.
Haha, agreed. But they did pay a lot of lip service to the notion of bipartisanship and cooperation, so I don't blame them for at least being cautious. But I fully expect Pelosi to steamroll the house GOP when she needs to, and if she doesn't, she's lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 10:55:50 AM
He did win, as did his party. In a landslide. Republicans need to remember that. There is a mandate for the public for big government spending, Republicans in the senate seem to understand this (McConnel has all but said the GOP in the senate will support Obama's stimulus package without opposition) but the GOP in the house is still in some sort of denial about it.

Democrats also have a hard time accepting the idea that they won. Which they need to get over.
Obama doesn't seem to have a hard time. He pretty much smacked the house republican leadership around on friday to remind him he was in charge and the public picked him and his ideas. Which is all that matters. Despite some odd statements from Reid/Pelosi they will both do what he wants and if Obama asserts himself as the person with the ideas the public wants, which he did forcefully on Friday that is all that is important.

Just be glad someone with the very very strong sense of confidence like Obama is president and a traditional Dem senator.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 24, 2009, 11:17:36 AM
The President has the power of persuasion. He has the bully pulpit and he'll use it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 24, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
There's no real reason to cheer Obama's torture and guantanomo bay orders.  Torture was something that the majority of the public and both of the candidates condemned so all of this was decided by both candidates months ago.  If he gets something done about the economy and somewhat fixes the reputation of American politics, then he'll have done a decent job.

It's way too soon to say that we have "competent leadership".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 24, 2009, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 10:55:50 AM
He did win, as did his party. In a landslide. Republicans need to remember that. There is a mandate for the public for big government spending, Republicans in the senate seem to understand this (McConnel has all but said the GOP in the senate will support Obama's stimulus package without opposition) but the GOP in the house is still in some sort of denial about it.

Democrats also have a hard time accepting the idea that they won. Which they need to get over.
Obama doesn't seem to have a hard time. He pretty much smacked the house republican leadership around on friday to remind him he was in charge and the public picked him and his ideas. Which is all that matters. Despite some odd statements from Reid/Pelosi they will both do what he wants and if Obama asserts himself as the person with the ideas the public wants, which he did forcefully on Friday that is all that is important.

Just be glad someone with the very very strong sense of confidence like Obama is president and a traditional Dem senator.

Link to this bitchslap?



Oh, is this it? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/24/AR2009012400661.html

Did this occur before or after Boehner came out to the press and started talking about how people putting their tax rebates in the bank helps the economy?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 24, 2009, 11:24:10 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 11:27:48 AM
HOW DARE HE /hypocritical republican outrage
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 24, 2009, 11:33:40 AM
Moar antics from King Obama lol am i rite
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Third on January 24, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
Should I care as an European?  :-\

Obama looks nicer than Bush. And that's the only difference to me...

I don't understand all the Obama hype.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: First on January 24, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
Should I care as an European?  :-\

Obama looks nicer than Bush. And that's the only difference to me...

I don't understand all the Obama hype.

Obama isn't a fascist idiot boy-king who actively hates brown people and gays.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 24, 2009, 11:38:18 AM
John Boner is the biggest douche I've ever seen. Seriously, nice spray on tan.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 24, 2009, 11:39:56 AM
I don't care what he says. But, its pretty awesome he's so eager to put his name on such a gigantic pile of shit. Four million new jobs by the end of 2010? LMFAO...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: OptimoPeach on January 24, 2009, 12:02:21 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2lm02mp.jpg)

:bow Libertarians :bow2
:bow Sherdog forums :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 12:10:48 PM
First Youtube Address as President:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDfpd8GV9dI
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on January 24, 2009, 12:20:04 PM
Libertarians are nutty but at least they are actually conservatives.

I don't know a single Republican who is truly a conservative (especially since all the Republicans I know think the government should ban abortion and gay marriage).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 24, 2009, 12:20:10 PM
YouTube :bow

Finally, someone who works at my level. Now I can watch Obama and funny South Park clips at the same time!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 24, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: First on January 24, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
Should I care as an European?  :-\

Obama looks nicer than Bush. And that's the only difference to me...

I don't understand all the Obama hype.

Competent leadership is damn near considered revolutionary in modern US politics.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 12:30:51 PM
Quote from: T EXP on January 24, 2009, 12:23:39 PM
Quote from: First on January 24, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
Should I care as an European?  :-\

Obama looks nicer than Bush. And that's the only difference to me...

I don't understand all the Obama hype.

Competent leadership is damn near considered revolutionary in modern US politics.
Pretty much. Also I think a lot of European's are confused seeing how it's common for them to elect intellectual liberals as prime minister/president, it's fucking rare in America.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 24, 2009, 12:35:06 PM
 :lol @ the White House having a youtube page
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: Beezy on January 24, 2009, 12:35:06 PM
:lol @ the White House having a youtube page
It's a new era one where the president listens to rap music, sends text messages, and post youtube videos!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 24, 2009, 12:56:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 12:36:48 PM
Quote from: Beezy on January 24, 2009, 12:35:06 PM
:lol @ the White House having a youtube page
It's a new era one where the president listens to rap music, sends text messages, and post youtube videos!
And watches shows like The Wire.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2009, 12:56:47 PM
No man, that's fucking sexy.  It is just so so so awesome.

We never EVER got a speech/public address from Bush containing so much INFORMATION and legit POLICY structure in his entire run as President.  It was always "we're doing something...but don't worry, you'll know soon enough what we did hehhehhehheh!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 24, 2009, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: Crushed on January 24, 2009, 10:55:19 AM
Quote
President Obama told the Republican lawmakers that "you can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done."
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/01/61847002/1

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-damn.gif)

Quote
"But I just want to say, folks, look I support Obama. I just don't support his policies. I support our president, like I have supported all presidents. I just don't support Obama's policies. I don't support the nationalization of the banks, which has happened. I don't support the nationalization of the auto companies. I don't support the nationalization of the mortgage business. I don't like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd running things. And I don't want that to continue.

I think Limbag is confused about who the nationalization of these things were done under.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2009, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 24, 2009, 10:28:53 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 23, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
makes a rule and then waives it for someone the next day

obama lol

"I won"

Seems like Obama doesn't take criticism well at all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Greatness Gone on January 24, 2009, 08:20:42 PM
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k305/alastore/1232846167512.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: bud on January 24, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
 :tbslol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 24, 2009, 08:40:01 PM
i'm sorry but "Your Weekly Address" is vaguely creepy

wow, I can't believe they left comments open :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 24, 2009, 10:24:06 PM
Do you think it's intentional to get people to actually watch it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 24, 2009, 10:31:07 PM
I expect it to get hacked within the first 3 months
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on January 25, 2009, 10:48:42 AM
wtf

(http://i42.tinypic.com/6z1nat.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beezy on January 25, 2009, 11:28:19 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 26, 2009, 11:33:29 AM
^^ :rofl 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 26, 2009, 12:07:09 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 24, 2009, 12:10:48 PM
First Youtube Address as President:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDfpd8GV9dI


I like that he's giving us actual updates about what he's trying to do. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 26, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
http://recovery.gov/

Such horrible code  :yuck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Purple Filth on January 26, 2009, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: Guybrush Threepwood on January 25, 2009, 10:48:42 AM
wtf

(http://i42.tinypic.com/6z1nat.jpg)

your soul is mine?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: demi on January 26, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
http://recovery.gov/

Such horrible code  :yuck
at least obama's whitehouse.gov is 1000000x better designed than the old whitehouse.gov site.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 26, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/26/woodward-suggests-future_n_160832.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/26/woodward-suggests-future_n_160832.html)

Any guesses?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on January 26, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: demi on January 26, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
http://recovery.gov/

Such horrible code  :yuck
I just looked  :-X

I like how you can see who made it in the head.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 05:46:35 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 26, 2009, 04:13:10 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/26/woodward-suggests-future_n_160832.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/26/woodward-suggests-future_n_160832.html)

Any guesses?
If there is a nanny issue in his administration it isn't Obama himself since the Obama's pride themselves on never having a nanny.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 26, 2009, 06:19:51 PM
Woodward is such a hack now it's not even funny.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: trh on January 26, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn2ALh-2VA

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2eamk9e.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: trh on January 26, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn2ALh-2VA

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2eamk9e.gif)
So aliens are liberals?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 26, 2009, 10:32:23 PM
Obama said in his Arab interview that he believes it is possible for there to be a contiguous Palestinian state.

How is that possible? Is there an existing proposal that includes a provision like that?


He did admit that he had no timeframe for it, to be fair.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 26, 2009, 10:50:21 PM
Sunken causeway maybe?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 26, 2009, 10:54:31 PM

Is GOP Still a National Party?
Quote
by  Patrick J. Buchanan

As President Barack Obama delivers his inaugural address to a nation filled with anticipation and hope, the vital signs of the loyal opposition appear worse than worrisome.

The new majority of 49 states and 60 percent of the nation Nixon cobbled together in 1972, that became the Reagan coalition of 49 states and 60 percent of the nation in 1984, is a faded memory. Demographically, philosophically and culturally, the party base has been shrinking since Bush I won his 40-state triumph over Michael Dukakis. Indeed, the Republican base is rapidly becoming a redoubt, a Fort Apache in Indian country.

In the National Journal, Ron Brownstein renders a grim prognosis of the party's chances of recapturing the White House. Consider:

In the five successive presidential elections, beginning with Clinton's victory in 1992 and ending with Obama's in 2008, 18 states and the District of Columbia, with 248 electoral votes among them, voted for the Democratic ticket all five times. John McCain did not come within 10 points of Obama in any of the 18, and he lost D.C. 92-8.

The 18 cover all of New England, save New Hampshire; New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland; four of the major states in the Midwest -- Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota; and the Pacific Coast states of California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii.

Three other states -- Iowa, New Hampshire and New Mexico -- have gone Democratic in four of the past five presidential contests. And Virginia and Colorado have ceased to be reliably red.

Not only are the 18 hostile terrain for any GOP presidential ticket, Republicans hold only three of their 36 Senate seats and fewer than 1 in 3 of their House seats. "Democrats also control two-thirds of these 18 governorships, every state House chamber, and all but two of the state Senates," writes Brownstein.

In many of the 18, the GOP has ceased to be competitive. In the New England states, for example, there is not a single Republican congressman. In New York, there are only three.

"State by state, election by election," says Brownstein, "Democrats since 1992 have constructed the party's largest and most durable Electoral College base in more than half a century. Call it the blue wall."

While that Democratic base is not yet as decisive as the Nixon-Reagan base in the South, and the Plains and Mountain States, it is becoming so solidified it may block any Republican from regaining the White House, in the absence of a catastrophically failed Democratic president.

What does the Republican base look like?

In the same five presidential contests, from 1992 to 2008, Republicans won 13 states all five times. But the red 13 have but 93 electoral votes, fewer than a third of the number in "the blue wall."

What has been happening to the GOP? Three fatal contractions.

Demographically, the GOP is a party of white Americans, who in 1972 were perhaps 90 percent of the national vote. Nixon and Reagan rolled up almost two-thirds of that vote in 1972 and 1984. But because of abortion and aging, the white vote is shrinking as a share of the national vote and the population.

The minorities that are growing most rapidly, Hispanics and Asians, cast 60 to 70 percent of their presidential votes for the Democratic Party. Black Americans vote 9-1 for national Democrats. In 2008, they went 30-1.

Put succinctly, the red pool of voters is aging, shrinking and dying, while the blue pool, fed by high immigration and a high birth rate among immigrants, is steadily expanding.

Philosophically, too, the country is turning away from the GOP creed of small government and low taxes. Why?

Nearly 90 percent of immigrants, legal and illegal, are Third World poor or working-class and believe in and rely on government for help with health and housing, education and welfare. Second, tax cuts have dropped nearly 40 percent of wage earners from the tax rolls.

If one pays no federal income tax but reaps a cornucopia of benefits, it makes no sense to vote for the party of less government.

The GOP is overrepresented among the taxpaying class, while the Democratic Party is overrepresented among tax consumers. And the latter are growing at a faster rate than the former.

Lastly, Democrats are capturing a rising share of the young and college-educated, who are emerging from schools and colleges where the values of the counterculture on issues from abortion to same-sex marriage to affirmative action have become the new orthodoxy.

The Republican "lock" on the presidency, crafted by Nixon, and patented by Reagan, has been picked. The only lingering question is whether an era of inexorable Republican decline has set in.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 26, 2009, 10:57:14 PM
Quote from: patrickula on January 26, 2009, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: demi on January 26, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
http://recovery.gov/

Such horrible code  :yuck
I just looked  :-X

I like how you can see who made it in the head.

LOL they closed an h3 tag with an h5... that's too funny... to me
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 10:58:51 PM
I wouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Could this be the Democrats Reagan revolution? Sure, and it most likely is. But It was only 8 years after the big 49/50 sweep of 1984 that Democrats retook the White House.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 26, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
"fort apache in indian country" lmao pat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 26, 2009, 11:04:53 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol at that picture
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2009, 11:05:38 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 10:58:51 PM
I wouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Could this be the Democrats Reagan revolution? Sure, and it most likely is. But It was only 8 years after the big 49/50 sweep of 1984 that Democrats retook the White House.

The economy is in shambles. We're in two wars. It's more than possible for everything to blow up in Obama's face by 2012, especially if the stimulus doesn't pan out as hoped
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 11:08:04 PM
It is far too soon to tell but Obama could join the ranks of teflon President's where no matter what happens the public still likes him. Like for example if Iran Contra happened to Bush Sr. and not Reagan? I wouldn't have been surprised if Bush Sr. would have ended up impeached, but Reagan was teflon so the public (for the most part) forgave and forgot. Obama may also have that inherent support as well Mr. Cooks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 26, 2009, 11:30:29 PM
The republicans aren't stupid. They knew that they fucked up too much and the 2nd half of the Bush administration was just enough time to cut and run off with as much as they could get and let the Democrats dig the country out. All being on the hope that the Dems will screw it up and the country will run back to the republicans begging for their forgiveness after 4 years of downsizing/reality check.

It's as if the GOP heads declared, "Fine middle class, have your king! And you shall live in the filth of your desires."  As they raped til inauguration day.

 Edit:  :hans1
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2009, 12:14:35 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 10:58:51 PM
I wouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Could this be the Democrats Reagan revolution? Sure, and it most likely is. But It was only 8 years after the big 49/50 sweep of 1984 that Democrats retook the White House.
Quote from: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 11:08:04 PM
It is far too soon to tell but Obama could join the ranks of teflon President's where no matter what happens the public still likes him. Like for example if Iran Contra happened to Bush Sr. and not Reagan? I wouldn't have been surprised if Bush Sr. would have ended up impeached, but Reagan was teflon so the public (for the most part) forgave and forgot. Obama may also have that inherent support as well Mr. Cooks.

Jesus, this is like Kidz Politikz Storytime.  Stop it.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 27, 2009, 12:15:39 AM
TEAM OF RIVALZ
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 27, 2009, 12:26:12 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 26, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
Quote from: trh on January 26, 2009, 06:26:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn2ALh-2VA

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2eamk9e.gif)
So aliens are liberals?
(http://i39.tinypic.com/scc29v.gif)
http://www.hiddencodes.com/obama/index.htm

 :hans1
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 01:48:52 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 26, 2009, 11:30:29 PM
The republicans aren't stupid. They knew that they fucked up too much and the 2nd half of the Bush administration was just enough time to cut and run off with as much as they could get and let the Democrats dig the country out. All being on the hope that the Dems will screw it up and the country will run back to the republicans begging for their forgiveness after 4 years of downsizing/reality check.

It's as if the GOP heads declared, "Fine middle class, have your king! And you shall live in the filth of your desires."  As they raped til inauguration day.

 Edit:  :hans1

One of the worst things for conservatives is that many of their bread and butter arguments aren't effective anymore, well at least not right now. The economic discussion ground has shifted from small government to big ass government, and people want more. Like here in Michigan where most people were clammering for the auto bailout; maybe they couldn't see the full picture concerning the "wall street bailout" but people realized that Ford going out of business=you or someone you know loses their job.

Once things get better the conservatives will be able to come out the woodwork and say hey, things are ok but government is too big. Right now it seems like non of the republican talking points are sticking with people.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 27, 2009, 01:53:50 AM
So what do you guys think of Bam's stimulus plan? House republican leaders have already expressed their objections, wanting more tax cuts and such.  I mean, really.  Tax cuts in these times, when two wars are being waged, and the Treasury is bailing out  companies to the tune of billions of dollars.  Does the GOP believe that the federal government operates on monopoly money?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 27, 2009, 01:58:48 AM
Tax Cuts won't work. House Republicans aren't making arguments against the stimulus in good faith and House Dems should ram it through on a party line vote instead of letting Boehner's idiot brigade anywhere near the bill. If it is too partisan let the senate fix it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 27, 2009, 02:05:36 AM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on January 27, 2009, 01:58:48 AM
Tax Cuts won't work. House Republicans aren't making arguments against the stimulus in good faith and House Dems should ram it through on a party line vote instead of letting Boehner's idiot brigade anywhere near the bill. If it is too partisan let the senate fix it.
I was just surprised at Boehner's audacity.  The GOP was spanked last November, and we have newly elected President whose first week poll numbers rival JFK, and yet he still wants to bring up policies that American populace has no appetite for in these turbulent economic times. 

McCain--LOL--also mentioned how he wanted to make the Bush cuts permanent, echoing another failed talking point--trickle down economics--from his unsuccessful presidential bid.  I mean these are senior GOP leaders of Congress.  It's amazing how out of touch their party is with middle class priorities.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 02:09:52 AM
Frag/Mandark/etc, do you like the stimulus? Does it seem like there's an excess of stuff that should maybe be in another type of bill? I'm not done going over it

on tax cuts: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/opinion/26krugman.html?em
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 27, 2009, 02:12:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 02:09:52 AM
Frag/Mandark/etc, do you like the stimulus? Does it seem like there's an excess of stuff that should maybe be in another type of bill? I'm not done going over it

on tax cuts: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/26/opinion/26krugman.html?em
LOL @ "I won". I love that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 09:09:12 AM
Quote
But because of abortion and aging, the white vote is shrinking as a share of the national vote and the population.

because of what now?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 09:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rman on January 27, 2009, 01:53:50 AM
So what do you guys think of Bam's stimulus plan? House republican leaders have already expressed their objections, wanting more tax cuts and such.  I mean, really. 
Well, the idea of a "stimulus" is to infuse money into the economy as quickly (and efficiently) as possible. Tax cuts (while not a perfect solution) are the quickest and most effective way to get money back into the hands of working people.

 
Quote
One of the worst things for conservatives is that many of their bread and butter arguments aren't effective anymore, well at least not right now.
The scale of everthing is out of wack. The enormity of the bailouts have dwarfed any kind of spending program that the Dems have proposed in recent history. So, its kind of
laughable to complain about spending.

Quote from: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 09:09:12 AM
because of what now?
Abortions are disproportionately killing future Republicans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 27, 2009, 10:27:06 AM
The stimulus plan does include tax cuts, mostly for the middle class.  I'm not against tax cuts as whole; I just feel some GOP leaders can become very myopic on the issue.  The Obama adminstration has even talked about temporarily extending the Bush cuts, which disproportionately benefited the top 5 percent earners.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 10:30:31 AM
Quote from: Rman on January 27, 2009, 10:27:06 AM
The stimulus plan does include tax cuts, mostly for the middle class.  I'm not against tax cuts as whole; I just feel some GOP leaders can become very myopic on the issue.  The Obama adminstration has even talked about temporarily extending the Bush cuts, which disproportionately benefited the top 5 percent earners.

You may already know this, but the GOP openly doesn't give a shit about the middle class. They view any extra benefits given to the middle class as socialism but what they really mean is the rich are not making as much.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 27, 2009, 10:54:31 AM
So where's my free monay?   >:(  I may not technically BE black but I FEEL black....in my penis.   :-* 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 11:05:07 AM
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but the GOP openly doesn't give a shit about the middle class


Republicans hate small business?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 09:12:13 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 09:09:12 AM
because of what now?
Abortions are disproportionately killing future Republicans.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/mapstatesabrate.html

wow.

I honestly don't really think about abortion a lot so i had no idea what i'd find if i went looking.  if the data from 85 is accurate then abortion is going down?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 11:14:50 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 11:05:07 AM
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but the GOP openly doesn't give a shit about the middle class


Republicans hate small business?


Is the owner a millionaire?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 27, 2009, 11:17:17 AM
Looks like abortions are disproportionally killing New Yorkers to me.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 11:18:03 AM
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Stating the Obvious

I hear a lot of talk about whether Obama's governing approach can be 'bipartisan' if good number of Republicans don't vote for his Stimulus Bill. But that dubious point seems to be obscuring a more obvious and telling reality: that the Republican leadership in both houses has decided that it's in their political interest to oppose the Stimulus Bill no matter what.

In the most cynical of evaluations, it's not clear to me that they're incorrect. If the stimulus is judged a success, their political gain from adding more votes to what will be seen as Obama's bill will not be that great. So they're figuring that only failure will work for them politically and judge that they want Obama to own it entirely.

One can pick apart the political ethics of their stand, but the reality of it is clear. They want to criticize as many provisions of the bill as possible, push for as many non-stimulus inducing tax cuts as possible at the expense of spending on infrastructure, and then vote against the final bill en masse. I think it's possible Obama will get a smattering of moderate Republicans in the senate. But that is Boehner/McConnell approach -- and the one few if any reporters seem to have the wherewithal to say out loud.

--Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
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In the most cynical of evaluations, it's not clear to me that they're incorrect. If the stimulus is judged a success, their political gain from adding more votes to what will be seen as Obama's bill will not be that great. So they're figuring that only failure will work for them politically and judge that they want Obama to own it entirely.
  :american

I guess I can remove my tinfoil hat now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 11:38:57 AM
I think I found out where Triumph is hiding lately

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/mcconnell-republicans-are-more-in-line-with-obama-than-dems.php
Comments section. Check out Steve LaBonne ha

This reminds me of the team of rivals backlash among some people who said hiring Clinton was a bad move since she'd be a huge loyalty problem and blah blah blah. If Obama believed that he wouldn't have hired her, regardless of the team of rivals idea; he hired who he thought was the best candidate, not who fit the team of rivals specs.

Same here, at least I hope think. His advisers are probably telling him this very moment that tax cuts won't work. He knows they won't work. So if anything this mating dance is being done just so he can honestly say he tried to work with the GOP, but they fucked it up. He's not going to let his love of bipartisanship cloud his vision of what will work, and more importantly he's not going to risk his first huge piece of legislation being a failure/ruining his presidency/etc just so he can get 4 republicans to vote with him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Rman on January 27, 2009, 01:53:50 AM
So what do you guys think of Bam's stimulus plan?

Its a complete joke and could quite possibly seal his fate as a one-termer. But, its also a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I understand that he has to make it as pretty as possible to sell it, but the idea that it will create 4 million jobs by the end of 2010 is absolutely lolz-worthy. I've done a lot of research on this. Many economists feel we may very well be on the verge of a Japan 90s-style economy for years to come. We'll probably begin to come out of this by the end of the year or early next year, but growth will be so weak it will still feel like a recession. And remember, job growth is always a lagging indicator. It took about two years after each of the last two recessions to finally see job growth (not to mention the economy has to average ~125k new jobs per month to keep up with population growth). Those recessions were very mild compared to this one. Even Obama's own rosey-colored report shows the unemployment rate higher in 2012 than right now. There's just too much debt in the system for things to recover so quickly (~350% of GDP). Another wave of subprime mortgage resets just as potent as the one going on now will hit next year and go through 2011. Taxes will have to go up to pay for the deficits and the much higher carrying costs. People expecting a return to anything remotely resembling a 97-07 type economy are delusional.  

For the REPs, I suspect the vote on this bill could be the REP version of the DEM Iraq War vote in coming elections.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 12:06:13 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
if the data from 85 is accurate then abortion is going down?

Yea, I don't get into abortion debates. But one of the interesting facts is that the rate of abortion is trending downwards overall.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 12:06:13 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 11:08:58 AM
if the data from 85 is accurate then abortion is going down?

Yea, I don't get into abortion debates. But one of the interesting facts is that the rate of abortion is trending downwards overall.

well i went looking just to see if there were more abortions in "white" areas but that didn't seem to be the case

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 27, 2009, 12:38:55 PM
Anyone who thinks the GOP are "tricking" Obama by trying to take everything they can out of the stimulus package and then voting against it anyway to doom it so they democrats are blamed for the economy are crazy.

Do those guys at TPM really think Obama  (and Rahm Emanual &  Biden, both heavily involved in these talks and know the ways of congress) may have thought of this? Only 1-2 blog posters discovered that the GOP is tricking Obama?

 It's ludicrous. Obama and his crew know what they are doing with the GOP, they aren't that stupid.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 12:16:12 PM

well i went looking just to see if there were more abortions in "white" areas but that didn't seem to be the case


Well, I was being sarcastic with that remark. But, you could probably make a good "real world" case either way on which type of group would have abortions.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 12:54:43 PM
Politico is reporting the house GOP is set to walk away from the negotiating table.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 27, 2009, 12:56:50 PM
 :lol

The senate republicans are still somewhat on board right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
le sigh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 12:58:07 PM
Repubs want Bush's tax cuts made permanent. Which effectively kills Obama's tax plan he campaigned on.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 12:58:40 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 12:54:43 PM
Politico is reporting the house GOP is set to walk away from the negotiating table.
They should lock the door after they leave.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 27, 2009, 01:02:31 PM
Being the party of "NO!" won't get them anywhere. People won't vote for a party with no ideas and just says no to the other sides policy, which is what the Republican party is right now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 01:07:56 PM
They're walking away? Fine, do the stimulus correctly then. Obama took out the family planning money for them, he took their ideas on tax cuts, etc yet they refuse to cooperate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 01:07:56 PM
They're walking away? Fine, do the stimulus correctly then. Obama took out the family planning money for them, he took their ideas on tax cuts, etc yet they refuse to cooperate.

he's being TOO cooperative

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 01:07:56 PM
They're walking away? Fine, do the stimulus correctly then. Obama took out the family planning money for them, he took their ideas on tax cuts, etc yet they refuse to cooperate.
He is not doing enough to help the wealthy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 01:16:37 PM
Now it's time to pull the rug and assert some toughness. Obama should treat this first challenge like the first night in jail. You either fuck someone up hard to send a message or become someone's bitch
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 27, 2009, 01:16:53 PM
he's being way too cooperative, agreed.  There's bigger political risk opposing the stimulus than there is supporting it given the disastrous economic news these days.

Do the stimulus without their shit and call their bluff.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 27, 2009, 01:18:03 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 11:59:21 AM
Quote from: Rman on January 27, 2009, 01:53:50 AM
So what do you guys think of Bam's stimulus plan?

Its a complete joke and could quite possibly seal his fate as a one-termer. But, its also a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

I understand that he has to make it as pretty as possible to sell it, but the idea that it will create 4 million jobs by the end of 2010 is absolutely lolz-worthy. I've done a lot of research on this. Many economists feel we may very well be on the verge of a Japan 90s-style economy for years to come. We'll probably begin to come out of this by the end of the year or early next year, but growth will be so weak it will still feel like a recession. And remember, job growth is always a lagging indicator. It took about two years after each of the last two recessions to finally see job growth (not to mention the economy has to average ~125k new jobs per month to keep up with population growth). Those recessions were very mild compared to this one. Even Obama's own rosey-colored report shows the unemployment rate higher in 2012 than right now. There's just too much debt in the system for things to recover so quickly (~350% of GDP). Another wave of subprime mortgage resets just as potent as the one going on now will hit next year and go through 2011. Taxes will have to go up to pay for the deficits and the much higher carrying costs. People expecting a return to anything remotely resembling a 97-07 type economy are delusional.  

For the REPs, I suspect the vote on this bill could be the REP version of the DEM Iraq War vote in coming elections.

It definitely is a very risky plan--largest government stimulus plan in history, even with dollars adjusted to inflation.  However, if it works or not, that will not be measured for some time.  If the economic situation becomes dire it can hurt Obama's reeclection bid, but I honestly haven't heard any other significant proposals from the GOP.  They basically agree with the plan in principle but want Obama to make some concessions, i.e. keeping Bush's cuts permanent and removing family planning dollars from the plan.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 01:29:45 PM
There is a bit of posturing on both sides of this. Obama knows he can get this passed without the dissenters. The Dem majority (and Rep swing vote) is large enough to get it done, with a few concessions.

Obama will allow for this public show so people know who the roadblocks are.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 01:51:24 PM
I think its funny how after telling the house GOP "I won" he comes back to them with his tail between his legs today to try to win some of them back. They just got out of the meeting and apperently Obama told them he's "not too proud to have full authorship of the bill". Well no fucking shit. The whole point of making it "bipartisan" is to give the DEMs political cover for when this thing fails. The proof is in the pudding. If they were sure the plan would work, then both sides would be climbing over each other trying to sign on. As it is now, Obama is begging the house GOP to get aboard while the GOP is backing further away everyday.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 02:00:13 PM
I think you missed the point of his "I won" quip dude

Nor is he trying to spread blame just in case. It's not like both parties were ever going to come together and pass this; at most Obama wanted maybe 6 or so republicans so they could get on TV and praise this newfound spirit of bipartisanship.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 02:31:15 PM
He wanted 80 senators voting for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122902037.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/29/AR2008122902037.html)


Ran across this from today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG4g04J-xYQ&eurl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 27, 2009, 02:36:03 PM
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Obama to GOP: "Feel Free to Whack Me Over the Head"


Why would he say that? lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 02:42:19 PM
(http://www.sarahpac.com/images/top-banner.jpg)


I love the implication of that logo. It shows how large Alaska is in landmass in relation the US. So, of course Sarah can run the country ... it's only a little bigger than Alaska!

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2009, 02:49:17 PM
she looks like wonder woman in that picture for some reason
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 03:11:13 PM
If you look close enough you can just barely see Russia in that pic. Nice subtlety...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on January 27, 2009, 06:29:43 PM
why is she still relevant?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 27, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 27, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
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In the most cynical of evaluations, it's not clear to me that they're incorrect. If the stimulus is judged a success, their political gain from adding more votes to what will be seen as Obama's bill will not be that great. So they're figuring that only failure will work for them politically and judge that they want Obama to own it entirely.
  :american

I guess I can remove my tinfoil hat now.

Bob Dole did the same thing in his bid. He got up and bitched about how Clinton had failed to pass much of anything through congress; I recall Dole was the spearhead of that overwhelming resistance to Clinton's proposed legislation. Though I am remembering Dole using the filibuster a record number of times to prevent a number of Clinton's proposals, thirty-seconds-of-googling is not providing me the links desired.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2009, 08:18:15 PM
Internal minutes from Obama's meeting with GOP leaders today
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/01/internal_minutes_of_obamas_mee.php
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2009, 09:05:37 PM
taxes taxes taxes
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 09:07:14 PM
Stimulus is up to ~$900 billion with the addition of a $69 billion AMT shield.

I heard earlier that the real cost is over $1.2 trillion when you figure in borrowing costs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 27, 2009, 09:16:36 PM
When we are in the worst economic crisis since the great depression how much the govt. is spending should be the least of our worries.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2009, 09:20:07 PM
Even though I agree with you Cheebs, that's a broad enough statement that's sure to get the conservatives huffed up.

Especially if it's someone like JayDubya
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
It's really sad that the republicans are so hung up on this "refundability" for those who don't pay income tax. They fail to comprehend the idea of money trickling up vs. trickling down. There are far more poor people than rich people. By giving the poor an extra grand or so to spend a year far outweighs giving the money to the rich via tax breaks for them just to keep it to cushion the losses they sustained recently. the money "given" to the non-taxpayer goes right back into the system whereas the alternative doesn't.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 09:23:51 PM
You cannot fix a problem of debt and over leverage with more debt and more leverage.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 27, 2009, 09:25:44 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 09:23:51 PM
You cannot fix a problem of debt and over leverage with more debt and more leverage.



That's an easy thing to say, but there's a major difference of leadership with this, so...

I don't know, I'm pretty indifferent.  I'd like to hear OTHER options, but right now the right is far too concerned with sticking to their party platform ties rather than truly examining the semantics of the plan.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2009, 09:26:19 PM
The GOP stance on spending should be thrown out much the same way it was when they had the power.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 27, 2009, 09:23:23 PM
It's really sad that the republicans are so hung up on this "refundability" for those who don't pay income tax.

Its creating a sizable hole in entitlement funding. That money is not being made up from anywhere else. Pretty ironic considering that Bush's SS privitization plan was DOA because it would have done the same thing (albeit on a much larger scale).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 27, 2009, 09:35:24 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 27, 2009, 09:25:44 PM
I'd like to hear OTHER options...

I haven't really heard much that would be considered middle of the road other than what we're seeing from Capitol Hill. Everything is pretty much on the extreme from Krugman's suggestion of something like a $2 trillion plan to those on the right who suggest tax holidays that would equal the cost of the proposed stimulus.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 27, 2009, 09:41:23 PM
I like how now that Bush is out of office, the Republicans are apparently the party of fiscal responsibility again.  LOL.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 27, 2009, 09:44:17 PM
I think there's too much danger here. The stimulus probably won't work and the Republicans are going to be completely absolved of it. Obama will be fine-- he's sold himself-- but Congressional dems could be screwed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on January 27, 2009, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 27, 2009, 09:41:23 PM
I like how now that Bush is out of office, the Republicans are apparently the party of fiscal responsibility again.  LOL.

Don't judge us based on what we did before.  Judge us on what we are going to do for the future....or something like that.

/McCain
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 27, 2009, 10:33:21 PM
the stimulus is pretty packed with pork. get rid of anything related to farm subsidies and/or the flyover midwest -- let them rot. they've been depressed since the 90s.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2009, 11:02:40 PM
Actually, most of the midwest cities had a renaissance of sorts in the mid-late 90's. Growth that wasn't false, like the dot com boom or real estate speculation.

I don't really care what Obama does .. but I just hope he allows some businesses/banks to die. Buoying these failed corporations will only lengthen our malaise.

I'm kind of curious when all of this fear will turn into anger and the return of the anti-incumbent mood will fuel the voters. I would love to see every congressperson with more than a decade of experience put out on their asses.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 28, 2009, 12:28:41 AM
I want to get that Obama action figure, and make it beat up the Bush figure wearing the flightsuit.
http://www.onlinedid.com/products/obama_action_figure/
http://talkingpresidents.com/products-af-bush-fs.shtml
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 11:51:20 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html)

Utterly indefensible...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 11:53:23 AM
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We've looked it over, and even we can't quite believe it. There's $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that hasn't turned a profit in 40 years; $2 billion for child-care subsidies; $50 million for that great engine of job creation, the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global-warming research and another $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects. There's even $650 million on top of the billions already doled out to pay for digital TV conversion coupons.


this is what you're outraged over?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 11:53:23 AM
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We've looked it over, and even we can't quite believe it. There's $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that hasn't turned a profit in 40 years; $2 billion for child-care subsidies; $50 million for that great engine of job creation, the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global-warming research and another $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects. There's even $650 million on top of the billions already doled out to pay for digital TV conversion coupons.


this is what you're outraged over?


That money could be much better spent on 12 billion dollar a month wars!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 11:53:23 AM
Quote
We've looked it over, and even we can't quite believe it. There's $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that hasn't turned a profit in 40 years; $2 billion for child-care subsidies; $50 million for that great engine of job creation, the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global-warming research and another $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects. There's even $650 million on top of the billions already doled out to pay for digital TV conversion coupons.


this is what you're outraged over?


Every single one of those things sound worthy of spending except perhaps tv conversion coupons.

It's obvious people opposed are people opposed to defect spending to begin with. These programs are for the benefit of the population. It's not like they are throwing money at the bridge to nowhere.


People opposed to spending massively to save the economy need to give something to replace it with to help stop the recession because OMG TAX CUTS aren't solutions to the problem.

At least Obama has put forward a potential solution and the money goes to worthy causes. Is it perfect? No, but at least he is doing something unlike the do-nothing Republicans who are having temper tantrums and whining constantly.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 12:10:21 PM
This article is pretty ridiculous:

Quote
Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?

Yeah, there's NO LOGICAL REASON to invest in renewable energy.  And mass transit?  WHY NOT JUST PUT THE MONEY BACK IN DEMOCRATS' POCKETS? 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
So he is opposed to creating jobs because these new workers might become democrats?  :lol It's better to be unemployed than have a job that tends to lead people democrat? Wonderful.

Wait, I thought republicans claim the unemployed vote democrat cause of OMG WELFARE CHECKS, isn't it a lose-lose for this guy then?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 12:14:43 PM
More fun:

Quote
Another "stimulus" secret is that some $252 billion is for income-transfer payments -- that is, not investments that arguably help everyone, but cash or benefits to individuals for doing nothing at all. There's $81 billion for Medicaid, $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits, $20 billion for food stamps, and $83 billion for the earned income credit for people who don't pay income tax. While some of that may be justified to help poorer Americans ride out the recession, they aren't job creators.

Because, you know, there certainly won't be an unemployment benefits rush this year.  And really, everyone knows that food stamp enrollment and medicaid serve no purpose in what looks to be a giant recession, right?  Right?

So the WSJ is pissed off that the bill is preparing for inevitable things?  Republicans would rather have unemployment flopza first and then have the government move incredibly slowly for a month to fix it, maybe?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 28, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?
They've always had conservative columnists, but its only been lately they've had brazenly stupid conservative columnists.
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 28, 2009, 12:14:43 PM
Because, you know, there certainly won't be an unemployment benefits rush this year.  And really, everyone knows that food stamp enrollment and medicaid serve no purpose in what looks to be a giant recession, right?  Right?

So the WSJ is pissed off that the bill is preparing for inevitable things?  Republicans would rather have unemployment flopza first and then have the government move incredibly slowly for a month to fix it, maybe?
I'm convinced that there's a core Republican belief that its okay to let people starve to death as long as they're poor. 

Also starve may be substituted for...
-freeze from living in the street
-get blown up by IED's
-drown in natural disasters
-suffer mortal infections from back-alley-abortions
-get shot by automatic weapons
-get food poisoning from deregulated and poorly inspected food
-killed by Dick Cheney for sport
-die due to negligence on part of shitty health care system

there's more but I'm running late for class.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2009, 12:21:06 PM
Yup, utterly indefensible...

ellipses...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 12:40:49 PM
The strawmen are strong in this thread.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
There's undeniably lots of wasteful shit in that bill, but I can't help but chuckle that conservatives are finally concerned about wasteful spending again
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:43:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 12:42:05 PM
There's undeniably lots of wasteful shit in that bill, but I can't help but chuckle that conservatives are finally concerned about wasteful spending again

ever since 2006 for some reason

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 12:46:06 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 12:40:49 PM
The strawmen are strong in this thread.

Dude, I am sure there are plenty of bad things and garbage stuffed into this bill.  That article, however, didn't really mention anything convincingly damning (The Office of Management and Budget or the Government Accountability Office I don't know about, but the article calling them "ineffective" is hardly proof of anything since it's written with a pretty obvious Republican bias).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on January 28, 2009, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 12:40:49 PM
The strawmen are strong in this thread.

pot
kettle
etc.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 01:06:18 PM
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It's not like they are throwing money at the bridge to nowhere.

No, there's 400 million going to global warming research. Pretty much the same thing.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 28, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?
The WSJ opinion page has always been like that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 01:37:05 PM
The actual spending part:

2009: 29.0
2010: 115.8
2011: 105.5
2012: 53.6
2013: 26.5
2014: 13.0
2015: 6.9
2016: 3.0
2017: 1.6
2018: 0.9
2019: 0.4

Total: $356.0 billion

That comes out to ~.9% of GDP for the first two years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 01:37:05 PM
The actual spending part:

2009: 29.0
2010: 115.8
2011: 105.5
2012: 53.6
2013: 26.5
2014: 13.0
2015: 6.9
2016: 3.0
2017: 1.6
2018: 0.9
2019: 0.4

Total: $356.0 billion

That comes out to ~.9% of GDP for the first two years.
I don't think you understand what the point of the stimulus bill is if you think all the other money other than that is wasted. lawblob worded if very well here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14550489&postcount=5910
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Doesn't that depend on a definitional understanding of "stimulus?" Many economists are now saying we will have increasing unemployment until possibly 2011. In that sense, it is unrealistic to think that all Federal money directed at jump-starting the economy literally has to be spent on immediately realized projects. There are only so many people you can manufacture jobs for, and there is only so much good that tax cuts will do. If we are entering a massive, multi-year recession, some of the money will inevitably need to be put into projects that take years to return via increased economic output.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 28, 2009, 01:48:12 PM
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The strawmen are strong in this thread.

dude.  you cited a wsj editorial.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 28, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 28, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?
They've always had conservative columnists, but its only been lately they've had brazenly stupid conservative columnists.
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 28, 2009, 12:14:43 PM
Because, you know, there certainly won't be an unemployment benefits rush this year.  And really, everyone knows that food stamp enrollment and medicaid serve no purpose in what looks to be a giant recession, right?  Right?

So the WSJ is pissed off that the bill is preparing for inevitable things?  Republicans would rather have unemployment flopza first and then have the government move incredibly slowly for a month to fix it, maybe?
I'm convinced that there's a core Republican belief that its okay to let people starve to death as long as they're poor. 

Well, it's their choice. They had all the same opportunities the rest of us had... wait a second...

The above comment is the favorite response of my conservative friends.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 02:20:34 PM
Lawblob is merely regurgitating Krugman's argument from yesterday. While it does have some merit, it fails to address the near term. Watch Roubini's interview on the previous page. Six million jobs could be lost this year. There's been over 100k job cuts announced this week alone. If the whole point of the bill is to stimulate the economy as soon as possible, why is only 40% of the money spent in the first two years?

I don't think its going to help much at all no matter what they do. There's just too much momentum to stop it (much less stimulate). I am really just looking at it from a political point of view. Seems as if you and the others at ObamaGAF should be screaming bloody murder that its not doing more. The votes are there. Presumably the DEMs think it will work. Obama did say government is the only thing that can get us out of the mess. So, what's wrong with more of it? Why not double the spending? Surely doubling what works would only work twice as good. Put their money (or in this case our grandkids money) where their mouth is. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 02:22:58 PM
I would bet my life savings that the Republicans I know give/do (you know .. donate time) more for poor people in one year than you guys have in your entire lifetimes.

But that's cool .. stick to your silly stereotypes.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
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President Obama will host a cocktail reception for Congressional leaders tonight at the White House, the New York Times reports.

"The bipartisan affair is set to come shortly after the House considers the president's economic stimulus bill. The roll call vote could make for some interesting conversation, particularly if the bulk of Republicans oppose the proposal as planned."
http://politicalwire.com/

huh?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 02:38:13 PM
Also, I'll go on record as saying this thing's been too rushed and that I question the impact it will have.  The only reason to rush such a bill would be because it is needed immediately, and since the bill spends so many resources on the future, it probably didn't need to be rushed.  They could have split this up into two packages, which probably would have helped it seem more promising.  They could have spent a half year putting together a decent package for the next two years, and focused the brain power spent on this over the past two months on some sort of immediate stimulus. 

I just question such immediate action when it appears so scattershot.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 02:46:09 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on January 28, 2009, 02:41:58 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 28, 2009, 02:38:13 PM
Also, I'll go on record as saying this thing's been too rushed and that I question the impact it will have.  The only reason to rush such a bill would be because it is needed immediately, and since the bill spends so many resources on the future, it probably didn't need to be rushed.  They could have split this up into two packages, which probably would have helped it seem more promising.  They could have spent a half year putting together a decent package for the next two years, and focused the brain power spent on this over the past two months on some sort of immediate stimulus. 

I just question such immediate action when it appears so scattershot.

Don't worry.  This won't be the last stimulus bill that gets passed.

Well, this gets into something of a semantic issue I was thinking of earlier.  By labeling this as THE stimulus package, opposing pundits 3 months from now will be saying "We already had that stimulus package a few months back and now we need another?  LOL DEMOCRATS."

They really should have been more careful in labeling this.  Especially since there are multiple things in the package that can easily be pointed at and questioned about their value in economic stimulus.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
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Also, I'll go on record as saying this thing's been too rushed and that I question the impact it will have.

I agree with this completely. It reminds me of the great rush that was put on the bank bailout money, where it turned out that a little bit more prudence and debate could have made for a better bill and better use of that money.


I think Obama is doing a good job, but this 2006 Democratic House of Reps is a disaster.


 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 28, 2009, 03:04:31 PM
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Watch Roubini's interview on the previous page.

Roubini thinks we're fucked through 2009 no matter what happens.  I guess the purpose of the stimulus is more to try and ensure the recession doesn't last through 2010 and '11.

I don't quite understand the "the food is terrible and the portions are too small" Republican objections though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
I'll second the notion that Obama is doing a good job. At least he is actually willing to listen to the other side.

Not sure if there will actually be a second "stimulus", but there's gonna be a ton more TARP-like bills. Keep in mind that there's ~$1.8 trillion in toxic assets remaining on bank balance sheets. The credit card companies are saying they expect to see write-offs peak at 13%. That equates to something like $1 trillion in losses. And there's the second wave of the subprime mortgages on the horizon (not sure if they figure into the previously mentioned toxic assets).

I'm sure I'm missing some more. But, add all that to the trillion dollar deficits they expect over the next several years, the increase in carrying costs, and the exponential increase in entitlement costs and you have to start questioning the solvency of the United States.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: dammitmattt on January 28, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
Doing nothing is often preferable to doing something poorly.  There is zero doubt in my mind that Obama has good intentions, but this is just throwing good money after bad, just like the recent bailouts.  I just hate the idea of throwing hundreds of darts at a board, hoping something will stick while trying to distract the people from what's actually going on.

Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 03:07:23 PM
I'll second the notion that Obama is doing a good job. At least he is actually willing to listen to the other side.

Not sure if there will actually be a second "stimulus", but there's gonna be a ton more TARP-like bills. Keep in mind that there's ~$1.8 trillion in toxic assets remaining on bank balance sheets. The credit card companies are saying they expect to see write-offs peak at 13%. That equates to something like $1 trillion in losses. And there's the second wave of the subprime mortgages on the horizon (not sure if they figure into the previously mentioned toxic assets).

I'm sure I'm missing some more. But, add all that to the trillion dollar deficits they expect over the next several years, the increase in carrying costs, and the exponential increase in entitlement costs and you have to start questioning the solvency of the United States.

The crushing debt will one day be the end of our country and our government in its current state.  It probably won't happen in our lifetimes, but it HAS to happen one day unless we get that under control.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 03:15:18 PM
The house REPs are currently talking about their alternative plan saying it'll create 6.2 million jobs over the next two years.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?

The WSJ has good business/economic reporting but their editorial page has always been insane.

Takes someone as dumb as sd to take them seriously, which is unfortunately a pretty big market.  I give him a week before he starts c/ping urls from renewamerica.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 03:26:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 28, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?

Takes someone as dumb as sd to take them seriously, which is unfortunately a pretty big market.  I give him a week before he starts c/ping urls from renewamerica.
And PD. He posted the article on gaf and talked about much it made him dislike the stimulus bill now lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2009, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs
Hey dude can I get on your good side?

No.  You're still dumb.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 03:31:06 PM
 :lol I actually was pretty pissed PD posted that and started criticizing the bill cause he read that though. PD that article was a joke, don't buy what you read in it. ugh. I have my doubts it will save the economy but the bill needs to be passed none the less.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: dammitmattt on January 28, 2009, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 03:31:06 PM
:lol I actually was pretty pissed PD posted that and started criticizing the bill cause he read that though. PD that article was a joke, don't buy what you read in it. ugh. I have my doubts it will save the economy but the bill needs to be passed none the less.

Why does it "need" to be passed?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 28, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
Cheebs is at least smart enough to land a lucrative gig as a popular newspaper columnist (http://www.theonion.com/content/columnists/view/harvey), though his political columns seem to have been lost in a site reorg or something.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 28, 2009, 03:25:18 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?

The WSJ has good business/economic reporting but their editorial page has always been insane.

Takes someone as dumb as sd to take them seriously, which is unfortunately a pretty big market.  I give him a week before he starts c/ping urls from renewamerica.

i'm sorry i get all of my economic news from indymedia and prisonplanet
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 03:31:06 PM
:lol I actually was pretty pissed PD posted that and started criticizing the bill cause he read that though. PD that article was a joke, don't buy what you read in it. ugh. I have my doubts it will save the economy but the bill needs to be passed none the less.

I didn't post it for the opinion in it, moreso for the list of questionable inclusions in the bill. It's full of junk, yea. I'm just curious whether the actual stimulating portions are going to work. Long term it seems like a good idea to me. I don't know much about shit BUT I do know investing in infrastructure is going to save money and can create jobs. But I'm wondering about the more immediate relief stuff
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 03:50:22 PM
To me, the three greatest problems we face are: 1) toxic debt 2) consumer fear/paralysis 3) frozen credit.

I haven't really seen any meat and potatos on this bill that would address these problems. All I have seen are these little pet projects that the Pub's are complaining about.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2009, 03:58:22 PM
Unemployment isn't anywhere in there?  Rilly?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 04:10:40 PM
All I see is bitching about the source. Anyone has any counterpoints from the usual suspects then post them. Most of us here are all ears.

And what's Renew America?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
The house officially passed the stimulus bill.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 06:18:44 PM
What was the vote? I can't find it on the news sites...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 28, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
Doesn't look like the final tally is out yet.  I have a feeling it will be. . .predictable.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:22:22 PM
It is done. 244 to 188 or something. No republican backing I believe.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 06:22:56 PM
CSPAN is saying no REPs voted for it.  :)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 06:26:01 PM
palin 2012 confirmed
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
I fucking hope the economy rebounds, even just a little by 2012 just so Republicans will look even more foolish than they did today.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 28, 2009, 06:35:55 PM
HOPE CHANGE
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 28, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
I fucking hope the economy rebounds, even just a little by 2012 just so Republicans will look even more foolish than they did today.

I hope it rebounds a lot so that people can have jobs
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 28, 2009, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
I fucking hope the economy rebounds, even just a little by 2012 just so Republicans will look even more foolish than they did today.
This reminds me of how all the repubs wanted WMD's.

Only now, there's no viable "rational" party left to fall back on.  I'm sure there'll be a lot of problems with this bill in whatever form it gets passed but Obama will get away from it clean.  The reason he's not on suicide watch after Nov.4 is that he knows how to spin a story.  Congress will probably lose a lot of democrats in 2012 though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:45:34 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on January 28, 2009, 06:41:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
I fucking hope the economy rebounds, even just a little by 2012 just so Republicans will look even more foolish than they did today.
This reminds me of how all the repubs wanted WMD's.

Wanting for a country to have a stockpile of weapons is a bit different than wanting an economy to prosper and people to get jobs, even with political motivation for both.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Yeah, Cheebs, I'm a little disturbed at your positioning with this.  I'm beginning to think you approach these issues in a strictly political light.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:49:49 PM
You act like I don't care about the economy itself. I want it for both reasons. I graduate college soon and am fucking scared about the job market I will be entering, of course I want the economy to do well for it's own sake and my own personal job getting reasons.  But I can't also want to see Republicans temper tantrum backfire?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 06:50:43 PM
Dude I thought you were joining an accounting firm, you have nothing to worry about. Plus your dad is opening doors for you? smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 28, 2009, 06:51:42 PM
I'm not confident it's going to backfire lol

Just as important as the actual cash infusion is the idea that this stimulus package will inspire confidence among consumers in this country. I don't think it's such a great thing for the success of the package if this is perceived as rushed and one-sided.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 06:50:43 PM
Dude I thought you were joining an accounting firm, you have nothing to worry about. Plus your dad is opening doors for you? smh
My major is both IT and Accounting and I have quickly grown to hate accounting over the past year. My dad ain't opening doors. His company he is a CIO at is doing pretty shitty.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 06:56:08 PM
IT? Ah didn't know that. Accounting isn't kicking my ass but it's boring me to sleep; I feel like switching, but at the same time if I finish/get my degree I'll have a job out the gate. Then I can do what I want to do (mba, maybe law school)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:58:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 06:56:08 PM
IT? Ah didn't know that. Accounting isn't kicking my ass but it's boring me to sleep; I feel like switching, but at the same time if I finish/get my degree I'll have a job out the gate. Then I can do what I want to do (mba, maybe law school)
Yeah. AIS the Accounting/Information Systems major. How many accounting classes have you taken? All you seem to take is endless African American studies classes .
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
I took like three! I'd go crazy if all I did was take business classes

I've taken like 6-7 accounting class. I only need a few more but jeez...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 07:00:16 PM
I took like three! I'd go crazy if all I did was take business classes

I've taken like 6-7 accounting class. I only need a few more but jeez...
Why the hell would you take 3 african american studies classes. It isn't even a requirement!  :lol You should have taken some politics classes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2009, 07:04:00 PM
I'm pretty scared shitless for my future.  My interests and goals in terms of careers all end up in some pretty shitty money makers unless I get lucky.  English major...where does that lead?  Teaching?  I don't know, I can't see myself really doing anything with it (editor?  critic?  meh).  When I switch to Music Business at Belmont...well, it's a shrinking industry.  I think my best bet is Music Business with an emphasis on Production with a minor in New Media Journalism, so at least by the time I graduate I can have some sort of idea of what direction I want to go in terms of grad school/interning.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 07:05:41 PM
There's nothing in the bill that should give anyone confidence it will help.

Its crap any way you look at it. But, I suspect we'll have a bit of a run in the markets for a few months. Doesn't change the fundamentals.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: bud on January 28, 2009, 07:05:58 PM
no offence, man, but the classes you're taking are good for nothing.

i was honestly laughing when you posted what classes you were taking. smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 07:08:53 PM
I am in my last year right now, I honestly don't even want to think about it. At least I am in a business major and accounting and IT are stable type of jobs. But still.  :-\


To get back on track though, what do the GOP think they'll gain from this? Do they honestly think the economy will continue to fall all the way until Obama's re-election? Hell, if that happens we'll officially be in a depression. No way it will go on that long. And the very second the slightest uptick begins to happen you know Obama and his political team will swoop on in and begin to fairly or unfairly credit this bill till it is hammered home. I can't see how this will work out, there is no way the economy will fall for another 4 years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2009, 07:08:59 PM
You're spending thousands of dollars on music business? smh, I bet most music industry agents have no education in that field.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Quote from: bud on January 28, 2009, 07:05:58 PM
no offence, man, but the classes you're taking are good for nothing.

i was honestly laughing when you posted what classes you were taking. smh

Mine?  Yeah, I know.  But I'm taking those for a reason.  I actually ended up dropping that music course for something in my major, a Literature class.

I'm taking such broad, diversity-like credits because they're the easiest to transfer to the school I want without having to be a second-year freshman.  If I were making insane headway into my English major, none of them would transfer over since I'm switching to a different major.

This also isn't factoring the credit I'll get with my AP scores, which for some reason didn't get sent to my current school (Kent) but found their way to Belmont.

Quote
You're spending thousands of dollars on music business? smh, I bet most music industry agents have no education in that field.

This is my main concern.  If I get down there and feel as if I could be getting that sort of education...well, myself, I would drop that.  But luckily, I've read so many great things about Belmont's music program in terms of post-grad opportunities that I feel regardless, I'll be happy with the outcome.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 28, 2009, 07:12:15 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 06:45:34 PM
Wanting for a country to have a stockpile of weapons is a bit different than wanting an economy to prosper and people to get jobs, even with political motivation for both.
If the repubs were successful in blocking this, then there could be more time spent planning it through and cutting out the pork but it would still allow most of the politicians to save face.  If something this controversial gets passed and it doesn't have a large tangible effect in 4 years, or even 2 years, then the democratic congress is screwed.  We realistically might start to come out of the recession by the next presidential primaries.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 28, 2009, 07:16:41 PM
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/567 (http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/567)

wtf @ comments?  I used to read this site.  when did it become Free Republic Blue Version?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 07:18:36 PM
Hahaha ending the fillibuster.  :lol That'd be political suicide to try to do.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 07:25:21 PM
The risk isn't that it will continue to fall (which it will). Its that when it bottoms out it remains flat.

Credit crisises usually take 3-5 years to fully shake out. Just look at all the money being thrown around. Its delusional to think more debt and leverage will fix this problem. There is no free lunch. We'll pay for it some way or another in the form of economically stagnating things like inflation and/or much higher taxes.

And that's completely ignoring the demographic changes that are and will occur for years to come.

My point is that really nothing can be done to "fix" this. They can maybe mitigate some of the bad stuff. But, that risks screwing things up (ie tons more debt). There's just too much stacked against us to warrant belief in a quick turn around or even in the medium term. I wouldn't be surprised if we're into the 2020s before we some good growth again. Hope I'm wrong.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 28, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
English majors go anywhere they want. I know a friend who was an English major and joined the wall street blitz a few years ago. But now the recruiters are being stingy. Still, you can do a lot. As long as you vary your courseload I guess.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 28, 2009, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: y2kev on January 28, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
English majors go anywhere they want. I know a friend who was an English major and joined the wall street blitz a few years ago. But now the recruiters are being stingy. Still, you can do a lot. As long as you vary your courseload I guess.

Intelligent English majors who graduate from good schools.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 28, 2009, 08:18:49 PM
You would think an English degree would be pretty worthless, but I know quite a few people that got some pretty cool jobs with one.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 28, 2009, 08:24:21 PM
Majors are stupid. Unless you're going to be something highly technical (engineering) something explicitly preprofessional (premed), university should just be used to cultivate critical thinking anyway.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on January 28, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?

Fill me in -- what's this about Rupert?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 09:03:56 PM
Quote from: chronovore on January 28, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
man was the WSJ always like this or have they just gone coco for coocoo puffs since murdoch happened?

Fill me in -- what's this about Rupert?

he bought the WSJ
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_-QRKyu6g
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2009, 10:24:32 PM
oh my
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 28, 2009, 10:26:33 PM
good jon kucinich
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 28, 2009, 11:12:21 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 28, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
So the Republicans are basically a joke party at this point.

Kucinich is a democrat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 11:31:13 PM
Obama has been having lengthy meetings with Pres. Carter about the mid-east. Pretty awesome, previous presidents including Clinton shunned Carter.

Quote
Former President Jimmy Carter has long been kept on the margins of his party both for the bad memories of his 1980 defeat, and for his increasingly sharp attacks on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories and calls to open talks with Hamas.

Carter today lavished praise on President Obama's choice of Middle East envoy in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, and said he'd talked at length with Obama earlier this month about the Middle East, though he gave no indication Obama agreed with his view of the region.

Obama " has taken a strong role already in pursuing peace in the Middle East. And he's -- and he's chosen George Mitchell, the best American alive to undertake this responsibility, to be his representative in -- his envoy to the Mideast. That's a major change," Carter said.

"I have total confidence in him," Carter said of Mitchell.

"What about Hillary Clinton, the secretary of state?" Blitzer asked.

"I think she'll comply with the policies established by the president. As will George Mitchell," Carter replied.

Carter also said he "spent a long time with President Obama" the evening before the five living presidents met at the White House January 7.

As Rosalynn Carter and David Axelrod took notes, they talked policy, he said.

"I would say he was most interested in the Middle East because I had been to that region twice in the previous year and had met with some people that others usually don’t meet with as you probably know, Carter said.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0109/Carter_praises_Mitchell_pick_.html?showall
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on January 28, 2009, 11:38:06 PM
:bow Kucinich
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 28, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
lol poligaf
Quote
Did anyone think of a possible Supersupermajority in the senate? Imagine this.

2010 - Economy is significantly better, Obama and Democrats thanked for saving it by the public, 5 senate seats gained.

2012 - Economy is much better, Al Queda is devastated thanks to effective operations in Afghanistan, overall Obama is very popular. Obama wins reelection by a Reagan 1984 landslide thanks to massive popularity. Helping this is the weak Republican ticket of Sarah Palin & Newt Gingrich. 7 senate seats gained thanks to Obama coattails.

2014 - Country still going strong. 3 senate seats gained.

2016 - Hillary loses nomination to Evan Bayh, who later picks her as VP. Coming off of the strong popularity of the Obama presidency, the Bayh/Clinton ticket wins in a 430-100 landslide. 4 senate seats gained.

That would be a 78 seat Democratic majority  incredibly unlikely but fun to think about.

But what if then...

2018 - Thanks to a recession, no campaign promises fulfilled and an unpopular war over in Africa, the midterms are a slaughter, with 10 senate seats lost.
2020 - President Bayh is incredibly unpopular thanks to a 2019 sex scandal involving on him cheating with a 19 year old intern. Although Kathleen Sebelius makes a very strong primary challenge, Bayh kept the nomination. With the war still active, a botched handling of the recent San Francisco earthquake and the divorce of President Bayh, the Democrats due horribly, with 13 senate seats lost, and the Presidency being lost as well to a charismatic young hispanic who was governor of Texas...

Almost entirely erasing the majority
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 28, 2009, 11:47:54 PM
Be honest - you wrote that, didn't you, Cheebs?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 29, 2009, 12:11:18 AM
I wonder what Kucinich thinks about the Fed's plan to buy 10-year treasuries?
Title: Ad hominem's got a bad name
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2009, 12:12:54 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 28, 2009, 04:10:40 PM
All I see is bitching about the source. Anyone has any counterpoints from the usual suspects then post them. Most of us here are all ears.

And what's Renew America?

Cause the source is the WSJ editorial page (which has a long history history of being intellectually frivolous and safely ignorable) c/ped by you (and yer dumb).

At least the crazy person on the Metro who thinks the government's building a giant space laser let me roll my eyes and didn't bitch that I wasn't engaging his ideas.



edit:  Right now I've got an editorial by Larry Lindsay at the WSJ loaded on my page.  A sidebar helpfully links to other top pieces in their opinion pages today.

"Obama Made a Rash Decision on Gitmo" by John Yoo

"The Obama White House May Be a Crowded Mess" by Karl Rove

"My Bipartisan Stimulus" by Rush Limbaugh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2009, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_-QRKyu6g

That's what got Lincoln and JFK killed smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2009, 12:28:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2009, 12:24:38 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_-QRKyu6g

That's what got Lincoln and JFK killed smh

Mel Gibson tried to warn him, but it was too late for Kooch.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 29, 2009, 06:46:20 AM
What do those three editorials by obviously biased people have to do with an editorial by the paper itself using hard numbers from the bill? Point out where its wrong. I already stated I'm open to other interpretations.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on January 29, 2009, 09:57:53 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_-QRKyu6g

:bow  :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 29, 2009, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 29, 2009, 06:46:20 AM
What do those three editorials by obviously biased people have to do with an editorial by the paper itself using hard numbers from the bill? Point out where its wrong. I already stated I'm open to other interpretations.

Did you ignore my (heavily flavored by sarcasm) posts?  Most of the things cited in that particular article can be easily related to the economic crisis, minus the renovations to the Smithsonian.  Over the past two days, I've seen several articles that have pointed out legitimate issues with the bill, but again, the article you posted doesn't really point anything especially audacious out.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2009, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 29, 2009, 06:46:20 AM
What do those three editorials by obviously biased people have to do with an editorial by the paper itself using hard numbers from the bill? Point out where its wrong. I already stated I'm open to other interpretations.

Except it's not simply pointing out the universally understood and agreed-upon significance of those numbers.  It's making a series of arguments, some of which are transparently horseshit.

1)  Corporate tax cuts count as stimulus but personal tax cuts don't.

2)  Mass transit doesn't count because it doesn't turn a profit.  Highways do count, even when they bring no revenue.

3)  Buying cars for the federal government is bad because... well, they already spend like a totally big number on it!  With no context of what they're used for, the state of the fleet, etc.

4)  Electric grid funds count.  Making buildings energy-efficient doesn't.

5)  Medicare is something for "people who do nothing".  Aside from the tastelessness in assailing "people who do nothing" in an economy like this, it's factually wrong.  The money goes pretty directly to health care professionals and pharmaceutical companies who are providing a service.

6)  Education apparently provides no returns on investment!  This was maybe my favorite bit.  It's plausible as long as you ignore the common school movement, the high school movement, the GI Bill, just about every international data point (y halo thar Azn tigerz!), and common sense.



But the biggest thing is the general approach.  The author uses absolutely no arguments from economics.  He doesn't explain or even try to contradict the reasoning behind the bill.  No mention of "demand", "business cycle", "employment", Keynes or Friedman or any of that.

He (and let's not get so PC to think the WSJ would have a woman writing an unsigned editorial) never actually makes a case that this will hurt the economy.  He just lists things that money is being spent on and gets outraged, assuming that the reader will share his outrage because all right-thinking people naturally hate teachers unions, tree-huggers, and the dirty poors.




PS Don't pat yourself on the back for "I'm open to other viewpoints."  Falling completely for unmitigated bullshit and letting yourself get talked back to sanity by people willing to do the thinking is not a winning personality trait.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 29, 2009, 04:03:29 PM
:bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 29, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Can I pat myself on the back if I'm open to all viewpoints?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 29, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
Somebody I work with noticed that the amount we have spent on the bailout and stimulus bill is equal to the entire budget in 1995. :S

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 29, 2009, 04:44:54 PM
Quick question, guys. At least for those living in Cali, is it looking likely that financial aid for us college students is gonna be drastically reduced? What's the word on the internets?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 29, 2009, 06:59:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 29, 2009, 04:44:54 PM
Quick question, guys. At least for those living in Cali, is it looking likely that financial aid for us college students is gonna be drastically reduced? What's the word on the internets?
well I know that most schools are coping with their budget cuts by accepting less students this fall.  I don't know what they plan to do to financial aid though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 29, 2009, 07:01:05 PM
Not my president.

He just took out a great american hero in Blagojevich. How am I supposed to trust this corrput president? Next thing you know is he'll make marijuana illegal and free health care to all.

 :usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 29, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
SD obliterated
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 29, 2009, 10:50:01 PM
Apparently Obama is in serious talks to get Republican Senator Judd Gregg to be his new commerce secretary. A senator who is extremely vulnerable in 2010. It's a brilliant political move, the gov. of NH is Democrat. The move would grant Obama the 60 vote filibuster proof senate he needs. Gregg is saying he is "not at liberty to discuss" any possible appointment, which is far from no. Republicans got to be freaking out right about now, if Gregg takes it then their one real ability they had in a pure Democratic government would be gone.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/18193.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 29, 2009, 10:52:59 PM
The GOP bigwigs have probably been feverishly trying to contact the Senator to keep his seat.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2009, 11:38:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8bcCvX3jU
Interesting, if only to see what Obama would look like with a high top fade

Seems like a few the tin foil people are still struggling to label Obama.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2009, 11:39:57 PM
Quote from: Willco on January 29, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Can I pat myself on the back if I'm open to all viewpoints?

It's actually quite a fun pastime.  In fact, I'll indulge myself:

I think it's pretty well established that Dick Cheney is a shapeshifting alien lizard (http://www.truthcontrol.com/node/reptilians), but if someone has convincing evidence, I'm willing to consider other extraterrestrial species.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 30, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
Damn Reptilians!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 30, 2009, 12:18:47 AM
Only in New Hampshire baby.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 01:07:55 AM
Lots of words and barely any point. The article showed the enormous wastes in the bill in the name of STIMULUS and that most of the waste is going to DEM constituencies - not that it would hurt the economy (wtf?). Virtually none of it is aimed directly at creating jobs in the short term. Almost all of the spending part could be siphoned off onto other bills. Want to debate more money going into education? That's fine. But, it doesn't belong in this stimulus bill. Want to debate more money going to Medicare and unemployment. Again, that's fine. But, it doesn't belong in this stimulus bill.

I mean, the spending on infrastructure in the bill is beyond pathetic. Send Nancy down here to Atlanta. I can give her enough ideas for improving the traffic that she could spend $150 billion easily. Tons of jobs ready to be had. We could emply them for a decade. But, apperently there were other more important backs that needed to be scratched.

We all know who will be proven right in two years anyway. Four million jobs created...LMFAO. Will y'all have a circle jerk for me then? 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on January 30, 2009, 01:18:34 AM
If that's the plan for a supermajority... so awesome. :hyper
Title: Traffic abatement counts. Education doesn't.
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2009, 01:24:23 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 01:07:55 AM
Lots of words and barely any point. The article showed the enormous wastes in the bill in the name of STIMULUS and that most of the waste is going to DEM constituencies - not that it would hurt the economy (wtf?). Virtually none of it is aimed directly at creating jobs in the short term. Almost all of the spending part could be siphoned off onto other bills. Want to debate more money going into education? That's fine. But, it doesn't belong in this stimulus bill. Want to debate more money going to Medicare and unemployment. Again, that's fine. But, it doesn't belong in this stimulus bill.

How is paying people to build schools and teach students not aimed at creating jobs?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 30, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
that shit is woman's work.  and everyone knows women don't have real jobs, by definition.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 01:52:13 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 30, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
that shit is woman's work.  and everyone knows women don't have real jobs, by definition.

And females are more likely to vote Democrat than Republican.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2009, 01:59:07 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 30, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
that shit is woman's work.  and everyone knows women don't have real jobs, by definition.

Especially not Nancy Pelosi.  She should come down to Atlanta where sd will learn her a thing or two, hur hur hur.

Speaking of sd, looks like I bruised his feelings and he might not be coming back here in a while.  Crying about being unpopular and logging out immediately after posting isn't a good sign.

Sorry buddy, but you were the one who asked for an actual response!  But in case you're still lurking around...

Why should education be off limits in a stimulus bill, but not road-building?  They both require hiring people.  Both are typically funded through their own separate bills.  What's the distinction?  What's your logic?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 02:03:24 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 30, 2009, 01:59:07 AM

Why should education be off limits in a stimulus bill, but not road-building?  They both require hiring people.  Both are typically funded through their own separate bills.  What's the distinction?  What's your logic?

Because Bush cut the education budget several times, right?  Or at least proposed it.  I forget. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 02:06:00 AM
jeez Mandark, slow down son. I'm sure SD is just taking a break
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 02:07:40 AM
Alternately, the better educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote democrat.

(http://people-press.org/reports/images/242-9.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2009, 02:10:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 02:06:00 AM
jeez Mandark, slow down son. I'm sure SD is just taking a break

You don't understand, PD.  I've got to drive away as many posters from this forum as possible by the end of next month (starting with Manabyte) if I want to inherit Willco's fortune.

It's like Brewster's Millions, but with a Jewish cast.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 02:14:32 AM
Have you compiled your Nixon-esque enemies list?  Do you know who the next target will be?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2009, 02:28:56 AM
See, I like to think of it as an optimistic, New Year's resolution kinda to-do list, rather than a paranoid, jowly Nixon list.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm gonna take credit for Malek if he ever has the self-discipline to stay away, then probably Green Shinobi or etiolate.  They seem like feasible targets, unlike Cheebs who blithely shrugs off all my abuse.

Nothing personal dodes!
[close]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 02:41:37 AM
Worth noting (I think I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but it may have been elsewhere), my issue with the stimulus bill is sort of parallel to sd's latest response.  I agree with a lot of the things in the bill, but I don't think this should have been labeled as the "stimulus package."  SD thinks the problem is that the things this bill addresses aren't particularly relevant with stimulus (which I don't agree with that much), and I think it's just been given a lousy name.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2009, 03:10:19 AM
Emergency measures always run the risk of being Trojan horses for longer-term agendas, because the scale and urgency make opposition that much harder.  See how the GOP used the Department of Homeland Security re-org for unionbusting, or how the Bush admin argued that the Iraq war authorization also applied to domestic spying.

I think this bill is fairly good about that, though.  That's mostly my judgment from reading the summary, but partly because some Democrats are complaining (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/27/AR2009012703655.html) that it doesn't achieve long-term goals like a new rail infrastructure.

The fact is there's some overlap in what makes for good fiscal stimulus and what makes liberals feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Food stamps and Medicare funds are easy to disburse quickly, are immediately spent back into the economy, and go towards things with real value.  Putting aside the evil redistributionist part, it makes them more effective than tax rebates (which mostly get saved) and most long-term building projects (which couldn't even get started for a year or two).

A lot of people have absorbed the idea that stimulus should take the place of big, tangible works projects.  Maybe it's all the New Deal imagery.  But stimulus is basically about pouring money into the economy, in a way where it will keep flowing rather than congeal.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 30, 2009, 03:21:30 AM
A tangent, but since it's related to the economic collapse, I think it will fit in here:

Because of all the doom and gloom (actual doom and gloom, mind you), people have not been spending money out in the market, and a significant portion of that money not going into the market is likely going into savings accounts (or to pay off debt).  This kind of illustrates a critical flaw of the sort of economy the US and much of the world has fostered.  If there is collective good and wise group behavior (saving money/managing money responsibly), there is collective group punishment via the market disturbances that will happen as a result of unspent cash.  US-like economies thrive off of bad, unwise behavior.  That is completely irrational, and not only does it make me wonder if this ship is worth saving, but if it can be saved at all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 30, 2009, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 30, 2009, 03:21:30 AM
A tangent, but since it's related to the economic collapse, I think it will fit in here:

Because of all the doom and gloom (actual doom and gloom, mind you), people have not been spending money out in the market, and a significant portion of that money not going into the market is likely going into savings accounts (or to pay off debt).  This kind of illustrates a critical flaw of the sort of economy the US and much of the world has fostered.  If there is collective good and wise group behavior (saving money/managing money responsibly), there is collective group punishment via the market disturbances that will happen as a result of unspent cash.  US-like economies thrive off of bad, unwise behavior.  That is completely irrational, and not only does it make me wonder if this ship is worth saving, but if it can be saved at all.

Once the economy gets moving and credit markets begin to thaw, people will go back to making stupid decisions as always.  Obama is the magic negro that will get rid of the bad economy.  Once he does that or puts it in motion, people will forget all about his contributions, claim to be pissed off about his deep rooted connection with Ayers and put in a God fearin' Republican.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 30, 2009, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2009, 11:38:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8bcCvX3jU
Interesting, if only to see what Obama would look like with a high top fade

Seems like a few the tin foil people are still struggling to label Obama.


Why was stuff about Obama's meeting with Hillary about her pulling out of the primary included in this?  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 08:42:36 AM
The auto industry is proposing that the government give a 4500 dollar tax credit for people buying new cars (as long as the new cars have a better mpg than your previous).

Self-serving obviously, but not a terrible idea.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 10:19:14 AM
Alright, what are the best ways to measure if this money actually filters down into job creation? Comparing the next two year averages to the average number of new teacher hires and schools built over the last 3-5 years? Surely those stats are available somewhere. You tell me.

Mock me all you want in regard to road projects. Atlanta is choking on its own growth. There are a ton of things they could do here in just one city that would create jobs and would be good investments for future growth. I'm not at all adverse to mass transit. I use it once a week. Its great. The Bay Area's mass transit systems kick ass. MARTA has bonds that extent into the 2040s and the state of GA projects a ~$200 billion transportation shortfall over the next 30 years or so. Perfect time to invest in transportation here. Again, just one city.

Anyway, GDP -3.8% annualized over the last quarter. Much better than the average expected drop of 5.4%. Seems to have been boosted by inventories. Guess that sets us up for a bigger drop this quarter.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 10:51:20 AM
Maybe...I believe their Q3 revision is unchanged from the initial estimate though.

That car tax credit sounds awesome. My Mustang gets like 16 I think. I could pretty much buy any new car to qualify. Rates as a 1 on the EPA air pollution scale.  ;)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 30, 2009, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 08:42:36 AM
The auto industry is proposing that the government give a 4500 dollar tax credit for people buying new cars (as long as the new cars have a better mpg than your previous).

Self-serving obviously, but not a terrible idea.


One that clearly wont be abused by anyone at all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 30, 2009, 01:21:54 PM
(http://images.craigslist.org/3n43p23lcZZZZZZZZZ91u88f656e6bf721da7.jpg)

lawl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 30, 2009, 01:25:11 PM
I WILL REDUCE
THE RESALE VALUE
OF MY VEHICLE
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2009, 01:30:43 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on January 30, 2009, 01:21:54 PM
(http://images.craigslist.org/3n43p23lcZZZZZZZZZ91u88f656e6bf721da7.jpg)

lawl

I saw a few of these during the campaign, and it just baffled the piss out of me.  "I'll keep the shitty life I had before, thanks."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 30, 2009, 01:31:21 PM
How is his life shitty?

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
the car tax credit is unimaginably stupid. will it be used to buy american cars? probably not. on top of that, where would the unemployed or poor get the additional money to buy a new car ($4500 is less than half of even a shitty new car) -- or is this just for the still-employed middle-class, who can probably afford a new car sans credit, but are wisely abstaining? republicans are the dumbest motherfuckers out there.

START TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RICH, AND START SPENDING THOSE TAXES ON JOB CREATION. NOW. 70%. BRING IT BACK.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:33:57 PM
if your political beliefs can be expressed as a cute bumper sticker, you probably shouldn't be allowed to hold a political opinion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 30, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
LOL @ Keeping my freedom.  Do these guys know about the Patriot Act that was sponsored by the previous administration.  Also do they not know that the Stimulus package includes tax cuts for people most likely in that driver's tax bracket.

*sighs*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2009, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 30, 2009, 01:31:21 PM
How is his life shitty?

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

u mad
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 30, 2009, 01:35:36 PM
bu bu bu the rich will move to other countries with less taxes and create thar jobs thar!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:36:58 PM
Quote from: Rman on January 30, 2009, 01:34:28 PM
LOL @ Keeping my freedom.  Do these guys know about the Patriot Act that was sponsored by the previous administration.  Also do they not know that the Stimulus package includes tax cuts for people most likely in that driver's tax bracket.

*sighs*

he has a nice truck, therefore he considers himself a better class of human being. logically, since rich people are also a better class of human being, he must be rich, and therefore, preznit b. hussein obama and his socialist cronies are out to get his money and his freedoms, whatever they are.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: Willco on January 30, 2009, 01:35:36 PM
bu bu bu the rich will move to other countries with less taxes and create thar jobs thar!

bububububu it's the socialists that are unpatriotic, not our free market masters :usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 30, 2009, 01:39:12 PM
You are dancing around the issue, sir!  All the rich fatcats will move to an unnamed country they create, with no taxes, and take all the jobs with them!  Who will pay your mortgage then, sir?!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
So in 2012 when these people still have their guns, "freedom", and money (unless they're rich or are heavily invested in shit companies) what will they say?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
So in 2012 when these people still have their guns, "freedom", and money (unless they're rich or are heavily invested in shit companies) what will they say?

"if ah'm goin' down ah'm takin' you with me, mister batf!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2009, 01:40:52 PM
lower taxes, vote palin
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 30, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
the car tax credit is unimaginably stupid. will it be used to buy american cars? probably not. on top of that, where would the unemployed or poor get the additional money to buy a new car ($4500 is less than half of even a shitty new car) -- or is this just for the still-employed middle-class, who can probably afford a new car sans credit, but are wisely abstaining? republicans are the dumbest motherfuckers out there.

First, this was proposed by auto industry execs and more than likely to be backed by the unions. I would be surprised if Republicans would even support it. Especially considering how adament they were against the auto bailout.

Second, "buying American" cars means nothing in today's market. In some cases, a Toyota is more American than a Jeep.

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START TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RICH, AND START SPENDING THOSE TAXES ON JOB CREATION. NOW. 70%. BRING IT BACK.

Yes, look how well it worked for Jimmy Carter.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 30, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
Cars from the Big 3 that are manufactured in Mexico or Canada still use 80-90% US-sourced parts and are designed and tested on American soil by American employees. Outside of a few cars like the Nissan Titan, Japanese vehicles that happen to be manufactured here are designed and tested in Japan, where all profits are funneled, and are 30-50% US-sourced parts tops.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 30, 2009, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 01:39:20 PM
So in 2012 when these people still have their guns, "freedom", and money (unless they're rich or are heavily invested in shit companies) what will they say?

Obama is going to get rid of guns, that's a certainty.

It's still "We the people" right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:47:12 PM
the same auto industry execs currently floundering in an ocean of massive yearly losses? the same unions who have grossly mismanaged themselves into total irrelevance?

so anyway i got this henhouse and these scrawny hairy guys with sharp teeth keep suggesting that the solution to my massive missing chicken problem is to give them some time on the perimeter
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 01:47:55 PM
well obama IS creating a non-voluntary police force out of young folk
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 30, 2009, 01:49:00 PM
The last thing we need, more pigs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 01:50:59 PM
Who needs manufacturing anyways? Let's have an entire economy based on landscaping, massage therapy and wiping the asses of the elderly.


You better inform Ya Boy Obama that unions are a waste. He seems to believe they are the backbone of the middle class.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam, friend of the wealthy
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START TAXING THE FUCK OUT OF THE RICH, AND START SPENDING THOSE TAXES ON JOB CREATION. NOW. 70%. BRING IT BACK.

Yes, look how well it worked for Jimmy Carter.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?ref=opinion

enjoy! given that carter presided over better growth than reagan, and had to deal with the massive effect of stagflation in the 70's, well, LOL JIMMY CARTER doesn't even cut it as convenient republican cant these days.

are you rich, ta?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 01:50:59 PM
Who needs manufacturing anyways? Let's have an entire economy based on landscaping, massage therapy and wiping the asses of the elderly.


You better inform Ya Boy Obama that unions are a waste. He seems to believe they are the backbone of the middle class.




what is it with posturing libertarians and their straw men?

i am all for a strong manufacturing base in the usa. i am also for strong unions rather than the neutered ones we have, who have failed in their essential mission. i am NOT for terrible "stimulus" ideas that make no common sense whatsoever, like "new car credits".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 30, 2009, 02:01:04 PM
dp WAT
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on January 30, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
Dudes like the ones who owns that truck have a long antagonistic view of government, forgetting that their food kept cheap by government subsidies, that the companies that make their trucks stay solvent due to government bailouts, that most the federal money that their states receives for stuff, like, say road repairs, comes from states that provide the most federal tax revenue--i.e. the godless, homo friendly, blue states.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 02:35:17 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole, hopeless socialist on January 30, 2009, 01:56:07 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/opinion/22krugman.html?ref=opinion

enjoy! given that carter presided over better growth than reagan, and had to deal with the massive effect of stagflation in the 70's, well, LOL JIMMY CARTER doesn't even cut it as convenient republican cant these days.


Instead of lapping up all the soundbytes of Krugman, still fighting the battles of 1984, read a book that actually interviewed the people within his administration:

http://www.amazon.com/Jimmy-Carters-Economy-Hartwell-Business/dp/080782738X

In it, you will find that JC was always a few steps late in addressing problems that the country faced. You will also find that despite some positive broad numbers, that the actual rate of output per worker fell dramatically.

So, saying that the numbers of Carter were actually pretty good, would be like cherry picking some 2003-2007 numbers and saying that Bush was a great president.

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are you rich, ta?

I live in Ohio, what do you think? No, not in a traditional sense. But I have 2 healthy children, a degree, and a house and two cars that are paid for. That's all I really care about.

My perspective is definitely skewed. I have lived in cities like Detroit, Toledo and Cleveland my whole life. Places that have been traditionally Democrat. Places that have went into the absolute shitter in my lifetime. My feedback loop has only been negative concerning the policies and outcomes of Democratically controlled areas. Yet, people still keep voting them in.

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what is it with posturing libertarians and their straw men?

This is a great help to my Liberal Argument Bingo Card. I am just a "cognitive dissonance" and a bar graph away from calling Bingo.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 30, 2009, 03:10:54 PM
Looks like Michael Steele is going to be the new RNC chairman
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on January 30, 2009, 03:18:46 PM
Toledo  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
Steele is just another McCain (2008) or GHWB (1988). Moderate Republicans that realize they have to become conservative if they want to move up the party heirarchy. Worthless.


edit: But looking at the available candidates, he was the best choice. I don't really agree with Republicans reaching out to black voters. It seems like a wasted effort. They instead should reach out to Hispanics and women voters. It would be a much easier task.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on January 30, 2009, 03:55:39 PM
Plus Steele is just incredibly dishonest and intellectually disingenuous. My primary exposure to him is with his GOPAC garbage and his appearance on Bill Maher when he shit all over himself.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on January 30, 2009, 04:05:36 PM
ToxicAdam, You clearly have a job that means you are rich and your taxes need to be raised.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 30, 2009, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: y2kev on January 30, 2009, 03:55:39 PM
Plus Steele is just incredibly dishonest and intellectually disingenuous. My primary exposure to him is with his GOPAC garbage and his appearance on Bill Maher when he shit all over himself.

link plz
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
McCain is saying he doesn't see any REP votes for the stimulus bill in the senate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 04:10:24 PM
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WASHINGTON -- Two congressmen want Citigroup out of Citi Field.

Reps. Dennis Kucinich and Ted Poe sent a letter to new Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Thursday, urging the government to demand that the company drop its $400 million, 20-year agreement for naming rights to the New York Mets' ballpark. The stadium opens in April.

The Boy Mayor has been on fire lately... somewhere Raoul Triumph Qwerty is doing a fistpump.

Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
McCain is saying he doesn't see any REP votes for the stimulus bill in the senate.

Where were those fuckers when the first bailout bill was introduced? That's right, that bill favored their constituents ... fuck those guys and their fake principles.






Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 30, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
Uh oh Steele said God bless his party but not America. Will his flag pin balance out this error?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 30, 2009, 04:25:16 PM
Quote from: y2kev on January 30, 2009, 03:55:39 PM
Plus Steele is just incredibly dishonest and intellectually disingenuous. My primary exposure to him is with his GOPAC garbage and his appearance on Bill Maher when he shit all over himself.

Isn't this a requirement to be head of the RNC?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 04:34:58 PM
Zero, you forgot to mention that he probably hates poor people and wants to see them die.


Here's an interesting read:
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Dear Mr. President, A Bonus Isn't A Bonus
Posted By: Cliff Mason

 
A bonus by any other name would smell just as sweet.

The fury over the fact that Wall Street paid out $18.4 billion in bonuses in 2008, the "sixth largest" amount in history, is about words and nothing else.

This isn't a compensation issue, it's a diction issue.

Outside of lower Manhattan, a "bonus" is a special, one-off reward for performance above and beyond what's expected of an employee. And if investment bankers had gotten $18.4 billion worth of bonuses in that traditional sense of the word, then of course it would be truly outrageous.

But on Wall Street, and at many law firms as well, a bonus is simply part, often the greater part, of your regular compensation. It may vary from year to year, but when you take one of these jobs, the understanding is that you'll be paid a base-salary and once a year you'll also get a "bonus."

The bonus varies in size from year to year, but it's not actually a "bonus" in the way most people think of the word. It's an expected part of your salary, delivered in a lump- sum near Christmastime. Historically, for many people on Wall Street, the base salary is much less than they could be earning elsewhere, but because they know they're getting a sizable "bonus," it makes sense for them to stay at their jobs.

So a bonus isn't a bonus.

But since the vast majority of people don't know that, the public gets angry. And when the public gets angry, Democratic politicians who probably know better have to demagogue the issue. That's how you get the President saying, "there will be a time for profits and bonuses. Now is not that time."

I don't think this is class-warfare, although I wouldn't mind some of that, it's a simple misunderstanding. Obama wouldn't say, "now is not the time for paychecks." But that's essentially what a bonus is on Wall Street, just an expected part of your compensation. This is not crooked, greedy CEOs lining their wallets, although I won't deny that plenty of that happens.

The screwed up thing is that it's clear Obama wants to help these bankers, or at least keep their companies alive. But, as I see it, they're making it as hard on him as they possibly can from a PR standpoint, which is all that matters in politics.

We can't create a "bad bank" to relieve troubled financial institutions of their depressed assets if they're paying out $18.4 billion in "bonuses." It just looks terrible. So here's my advice to Wall Street: help us help you.

Stop paying bonuses.

Call them something else.

Think of something boring like "annual performance-adjusted block compensation."

I know "bonus" sounds sexy, but that's precisely what's wrong with the term.

A little verbal magic and this whole problem goes away.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 30, 2009, 04:37:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPqyhmSGOZM#t=3m30s

Ron Paul Owns socialist biatch. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 30, 2009, 04:58:20 PM
Why do you bother posting that shit.  Honestly, are you, like, a masochist?  Do you enjoy verbal berating?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 30, 2009, 05:02:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 30, 2009, 04:09:34 PM
McCain is saying he doesn't see any REP votes for the stimulus bill in the senate.
Does it matter? They are on the verge of losing their filibuster power anyway (politico says those close to gregg say he'll accept if obama asks him, no way obama will pass this up).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 30, 2009, 06:05:25 PM
Steele probably hates poor people and wants to see them die.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 30, 2009, 11:16:58 PM
horrible shit :-X :yuck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2009, 11:18:28 PM
Obama considering deal that would turn down 60 seat possibility?

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According to First Read, the possible nomination of Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH) as President Obama's secretary of commerce is "very real."

"Senate Republicans are upset that he hasn't put the story to bed. So clearly he's pondering. One sticking point is that New Hampshire has a Dem governor, John Lynch, and that could give Democrats 60 seats if Gregg leaves and Al Franken eventually wins. One idea floating out there is a deal between Obama/Gregg and Lynch to appoint a caretaker Republican (perhaps ex-Sen. Warren Rudman?). Even if he doesn't take the job, Gregg is certainly sending the signal that he doesn't want to run in 2010. That is a terrible sign for the Senate GOP. Another retirement makes the idea of netting a single seat in 2010 nearly impossible. This likely outcome in 2010 actually could mean Lynch and Obama are open to a deal that keeps a Republican in the seat until November 2010, since getting that 60th senate seat in the coming years seems probable."

CQ Politics quotes Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) saying the appointment would be "a pretty sneaky, sneaky move to get a really good person as Commerce secretary and put us in a bind politically."
http://politicalwire.com/

Sounds like something he'd do
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 30, 2009, 11:30:42 PM
It is ridiculous that marijuana isn't legal yet. There's no excuse really.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 30, 2009, 11:51:26 PM
I doubt that a 60 seat majority would make it legal.  A "filibuster-proof" majority is also not necessarily the best idea in general anyways.  This will turn the remaining repubs redder and could make a few dems on the fence on certain issues the swing vote.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
Joe Biden used to be big on war on drugs shit, right?  We aren't getting legal weed anytime soon.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 31, 2009, 12:28:59 AM
He kind of went too far with the Reducing Americans Vulnerability to Ecstasy (RAVE) act but in general, he mainly seems to be opposed to pills, steroids, and date-rape drugs.  I honestly can't see him crusading against weed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 31, 2009, 02:17:19 AM
i think public opinion polls for marijuana legalization are at like 40% these days?  we'll probably get it in 10-15 years or so.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2009, 03:16:15 AM
Obama won't legalize it in a million years, regardless of 60 seats.

Everyone I know who complains about weed not being legal has a steady connect. Whiny bastards
Title: I'm gonna keep asking until you answer.
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2009, 07:15:07 AM
siamesedreamer:

Why do roads count as stimulus but schools don't?

Why should education spending be addressed only in education bills, but transportation spending is allowed to be included in the stimulus bill?

Does spending somehow not boost aggregate demand when it goes towards teaching?

Please explain your logic.




edit:
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 30, 2009, 02:35:17 PM
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what is it with posturing libertarians and their straw men?

This is a great help to my Liberal Argument Bingo Card. I am just a "cognitive dissonance" and a bar graph away from calling Bingo.

Nah, he nailed you.

Prole says the government shouldn't be giving out a ridiculous subsidy to new car buyers, and you respond with "well guess ya don't want a manufacturing base har har har."

If you don't want to call that a straw man, it's at least as obvious a false dichotomy as you'll find round this corner of the net.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 31, 2009, 07:48:34 AM
It will be a long time before a President legalizes weed.  Like now, any legalizing will be done at the city or state level.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 31, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
There is much bigger fish to fry than legalizing weed.  Besides, it is easy to get a steady connection and given how it is the most profitable cash crop in the US, the government isn't doing a great job at stopping a lot of it.  So smoke a bowl and relax.

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Obama considering deal that would turn down 60 seat possibility?

The Dems will get it in 2010.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on January 31, 2009, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
Joe Biden used to be big on war on drugs shit, right?  We aren't getting legal weed anytime soon.
Obama won't legalize it regardless of Biden.

I don't get why people think just because Obama used weed for years and years and did coke back in high school/college that he'll unban that stuff. He is still a politician and doing something like that is political suicide.

Obama is a pretty clean guy now anyway.  Stopped doing drugs when he was in his late 20's. He quit smoking. And he says he has quit drinking alcohol as well.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on January 31, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on January 31, 2009, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
Joe Biden used to be big on war on drugs shit, right?  We aren't getting legal weed anytime soon.
Obama won't legalize it regardless of Biden.

I don't get why people think just because Obama used weed for years and years and did coke back in high school/college that he'll unban that stuff. He is still a politician and doing something like that is political suicide.

Obama is a pretty clean guy now anyway.  Stopped doing drugs when he was in his late 20's. He quit smoking. And he says he has quit drinking alcohol as well.

He quit smoking?  He will start up again with all the stress on him......once a smoker always a smoker.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 31, 2009, 10:21:18 AM
It may boost it on the margins if it actually filters down to the local level. The cost/benefit ratio isn't worth all the billions at the federal level though. Too many hands it has to pass through before it gets to So-And-So Middle School, etc. Giving it directly to the states would probably be better.

Even Obama knows this plan is shit. He has now backed away from the 4 million jobs created number to 3 million and "by the end of 2010" has now turned into "over the next few years". 

I guess this is what Woodward was referring to a few days back:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/bumps-in-the-ro.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/01/bumps-in-the-ro.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2009, 11:14:43 AM
Could you actually answer the questions I asked?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
bobobobobo when jimmy carter taxed the rich we went into a recession! yet when we taxed the rich under eisenhower the economy improved! who to believe!

correlation != causation, simps
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 12:36:12 PM
Obama did coke and weed?  really?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
I just don't want to be looked down upon and want to buy marijuana from a store. Plus drug testing for marijuana is ridiculous. That should not exist. Anything harder I agree but not Marijuana.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2009, 02:53:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
I just don't want to be looked down upon and want to buy marijuana from a store. Plus drug testing for marijuana is ridiculous. That should not exist. Anything harder I agree but not Marijuana.

Why not?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 31, 2009, 02:57:46 PM
During the Golden Age of Capitalism, the highest tax bracket was 70%
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 31, 2009, 03:04:06 PM
why does the whitehouse website feature a photo of Obama watching himself on TV?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 03:05:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2009, 02:53:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 02:48:10 PM
I just don't want to be looked down upon and want to buy marijuana from a store. Plus drug testing for marijuana is ridiculous. That should not exist. Anything harder I agree but not Marijuana.

Why not?

I mean on the job testing is fine, but firing someone because they use marihuana in their own time shouldn't be allowed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
Not saying this as my opinion but just to get discussion rolling, what if someone were to light up right before going to work, with a particularly strong type of pot?  I mean, wouldn't that affect that person's work efficiency?

Just a theoretical.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
Highly skilled jobs where machinery is involved yes, but any other place it'd be no different than getting relief form a cigarette. They might actually do better work.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 03:34:25 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 31, 2009, 03:04:06 PM
why does the whitehouse website feature a photo of Obama watching himself on TV?

It's symbolic for his high *continentia


                *editors note:  continentia means self control
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 03:36:01 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 31, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
Not saying this as my opinion but just to get discussion rolling, what if someone were to light up right before going to work, with a particularly strong type of pot?  I mean, wouldn't that affect that person's work efficiency?

Just a theoretical.

Would you drink a shot vodka right before going to work? This is common sense. Use it.

I wouldn't, no, but uh, there are actually dumb people in this country.  Who do pretty much exactly what you said.

I'm not against this in anyway, I was just bringing up the other side.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 31, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 03:30:16 PM
Not saying this as my opinion but just to get discussion rolling, what if someone were to light up right before going to work, with a particularly strong type of pot?  I mean, wouldn't that affect that person's work efficiency?

Just a theoretical.

Years ago, I had 3 friends who were all line cooks at a Ruby Tuesday. They would all light up before work and pretty much everyone they worked with all did too. Even the GM of the place joined in.

I've smoked with teachers, local business owners, and cops who were off duty.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on January 31, 2009, 03:44:08 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on January 31, 2009, 12:28:59 AM
He kind of went too far with the Reducing Americans Vulnerability to Ecstasy (RAVE) act but in general, he mainly seems to be opposed to pills, steroids, and date-rape drugs.  I honestly can't see him crusading against weed.

RAVE act was pretty distinguished mentally-challenged though. Forced a lot of great clubs to shut down :(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 31, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
Highly skilled jobs where machinery is involved yes, but any other place it'd be no different than getting relief form a cigarette. They might actually do better work.


Peoples brain chemistry are not the same. Some people get panic attacks when they smoke weed, some people get drowsy, some get addicted. Some people are too stupid to realize when the drug is having a negative effect on their lives.

I'm for it for legit medicinal reasons. It should be a state issue, not a federal one.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 04:15:23 PM
Not addictive.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 31, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
Highly skilled jobs where machinery is involved yes, but any other place it'd be no different than getting relief form a cigarette. They might actually do better work.


Peoples brain chemistry are not the same. Some people get panic attacks when they smoke weed, some people get drowsy, some get addicted. Some people are too stupid to realize when the drug is having a negative effect on their lives.

I'm for it for legit medicinal reasons. It should be a state issue, not a federal one.





This is my thinking of it as well.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 31, 2009, 04:13:34 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
Highly skilled jobs where machinery is involved yes, but any other place it'd be no different than getting relief form a cigarette. They might actually do better work.


Peoples brain chemistry are not the same. Some people get panic attacks when they smoke weed, some people get drowsy, some get addicted. Some people are too stupid to realize when the drug is having a negative effect on their lives.

I'm for it for legit medicinal reasons. It should be a state issue, not a federal one.

This is different than alcohol how, exactly?  Also, weed doesn't even kill brain cells like alcohol does.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 05:13:46 PM
It's not, but again, whoever drinks and then goes to work is surely gonna get in trouble.

Meh, I don't care about it in the slightest.  It's such a pointless issue.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 05:15:28 PM
I don't think it is.  I'd like to regularly use marijuana.  It turns down the constant anxiety I feel.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 05:19:06 PM
Well I'm behind you on that.  Like I said, I don't care either way, just as long as people don't hurt others.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 05:19:28 PM
our avatars are having a staring contest
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2009, 05:31:23 PM
I don't do drugs, but I'd have no problem with having all forms legalized.

I mean, hell alcohol and cigarettes kill more people per year than the other harmful drugs combined, yet they're still legal...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
All forms?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
All forms?

yes.  But if you mean directly then no. 

anyways the argument is weak because they don't kill more people because they are more harmful, they kill more people because they are legal so more people do them. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: Father_Mike on January 31, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
All forms?

yes.  But if you mean directly then no. 

anyways the argument is weak because they don't kill more people because they are more harmful, they kill more people because they are legal so more people do them. 

At least in the case of marijuana, this argument doesn't quite hold up since marijuana is less physically damaging than alcohol (and cigarettes, but that's a wishy washier area).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 31, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
No substance should be illegal unless you think that governments role is to take care of you. Afterall the only people dumb enough to use hard drugs deserve whatever comes their way.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2009, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 05:56:29 PM
All forms?

Sure, why not?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 06:05:16 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on January 31, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
No substance should be illegal unless you think that governments role is to take care of you. Afterall the only people dumb enough to use hard drugs deserve whatever comes their way.

Not quite.  There are some things that need to be restricted.  The most commonly cited thing being antibiotics.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
I don't know, just seems odd to have shit like meth or acid legal.  Marijuana's one thing (that I'm completely okay with), but meth?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on January 31, 2009, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
I don't know, just seems odd to have shit like meth or acid legal.  Marijuana's one thing (that I'm completely okay with), but meth?

If meth and acid were legel would you do them?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Enl on January 31, 2009, 06:06:15 PM
Since we're on the subject and it's on today's news:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7862691.stm
Quote
Obama half-brother on drug charge    

George Obama is the President's younger half-brother
The Kenyan half-brother of President Barack Obama has been arrested for alleged marijuana possession.

George Obama was arrested in Nairobi with one joint of marijuana, police chief Joshua Omokulongolo said.

"He is not a drug peddler. But it is illegal, it is a banned substance," he said. Mr Obama has denied the allegations.

The US president and George Obama share the same father, but are thought to have only met each other briefly.

George Obama, who is in his 20s, is due in court on Monday.

"They took me from my home," George Obama told reporters in Nairobi from his jail cell. " I don't know why they are charging me."

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 31, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
I've seen quite a few towns devastated by meth.  I'm not in favor of legalizing it at all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 06:07:26 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on January 31, 2009, 06:06:11 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 06:05:23 PM
I don't know, just seems odd to have shit like meth or acid legal.  Marijuana's one thing (that I'm completely okay with), but meth?

If meth and acid were legel would you do them?

No.  I don't really do anything, though, so wrong person to ask.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
Well, I mean I wouldn't want people to use them. But if it's properly regulated, with the warnings and side effects and shit known, then let people do what they want. I mean, you could die by drinking too much alcohol, afterall.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 06:18:30 PM
BrandNew, you haven't lived until you've done acid or shrooms.  You simply have to try at least one of them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 06:20:28 PM
I think the effects of alcohol are pretty different from the effects of meth.  You ever compare the addicts of both drugs?  Who would you rather have walking around?

Meh, I don't know.  I just don't like the idea of there being a legal way of becoming a meth head.

edit: Heh, I've been offered but I just don't really care to.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 06:20:28 PM
I think the effects of alcohol are pretty different from the effects of meth.  You ever compare the addicts of both drugs?  Who would you rather have walking around?

Meh, I don't know.  I just don't like the idea of there being a legal way of becoming a meth head.

edit: Heh, I've been offered but I just don't really care to.

There are meth heads walking around.  They are prescribed to desoxyn and other similar drugs.  If meth were legalized, ideally it would begin to be produced by reputable companies that could ensure purity.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
Eh, I'm no drug expert, I just don't care to take part.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
New I thought you want to become a musician or atleast work with them?  com'on all the cool kids are doing it.     
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on January 31, 2009, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on January 31, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
No substance should be illegal unless you think that governments role is to take care of you. Afterall the only people dumb enough to use hard drugs deserve whatever comes their way.
That's a really childish way of looking at it.  A drug addict doesn't just hurt themselves.  Especially if they turn to crime to pay for their drugs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 07:17:02 PM
Quote from: Father_Mike on January 31, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
New I thought you want to become a musician or atleast work with them?  com'on all the cool kids are doing it.     

I don't see how that should matter.  I love the music; making it, listening to it, etc.  Just because all of them do it doesn't become a detriment to my enjoyment.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
But with the magic of drugs, music sounds even better.  That's no exaggeration.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:23:21 PM
That it is not. Music is ten times better on drugs.

Especially harmless marihuana. It literally sounds like the music is three-dimensional. It's so fucking trippy.

I listened to Casey Jones once and I swore Jerry Garcia was playing in my ear.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 07:25:08 PM
there is no such thing as "harmless marijuana"

horrible horrible shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 07:23:21 PM
That it is not. Music is ten times better on drugs.

Especially harmless marihuana. It literally sounds like the music is three-dimensional. It's so fucking trippy.

I listened to Casey Jones once and I swore Jerry Garcia was playing in my ear.

It's so awesome when you trance out on shit.  Naturally, this works best with heavily texturized psychedelic music.  Probably best with Can, who combine that texturization with hypnotic, repeating, and evolving riffs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2009, 07:29:43 PM
Can we stop talking about sin plz
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 31, 2009, 07:25:08 PM
there is no such thing as "harmless marijuana"

horrible horrible shit

Please tell me how marihuana is horrible?

Besides the price inflation, that is.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 07:30:38 PM
do cool drugs like booze, narcotics, coke, xanax, amphetamines and cigarettes

stay away from all that hippy dippy shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
uh, it just fucking is.  you probably havent done enough to get to that point yet.  it makes you super self aware and anxious
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:31:53 PM
Anything harder than marihuana sucks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 31, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
uh, it just fucking is.  you probably havent done enough to get to that point yet.  it makes you super self aware and anxious

You distinguished mentally-challenged fellow i've done it for longer than you've been alive.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 07:33:07 PM
iv smoked more in a 3 year period than you will in your life

staring at the hairs on your nose is not my idea of a fun time
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:33:57 PM
Atleast we know why you suck cocks now.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:teehee
[close]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:36:11 PM
Also Obamas ooga boogie getting caught for it means we'll likely see it decriminilized atleast.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:40:14 PM
Isn't that in Alabama?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 07:42:18 PM
Of course i'm joking we all know it's a street in New Orleans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 31, 2009, 11:39:14 AM
bobobobobo when jimmy carter taxed the rich we went into a recession! yet when we taxed the rich under eisenhower the economy improved! who to believe!

correlation != causation, simps

I'm no expert on 1970's US fiscal policy, but I don't think Carter actually soaked the rich (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/legislation/1970.cfm).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2009, 08:11:58 PM
i've been hearing republitards chant "carter taxed the rich and bubububu 1976" for so long i hadn't thought to question the presumption. republicans are the biggest girls' blouses out there. :punch
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2009, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 06:20:28 PM
I think the effects of alcohol are pretty different from the effects of meth.  You ever compare the addicts of both drugs?  Who would you rather have walking around?

Meh, I don't know.  I just don't like the idea of there being a legal way of becoming a meth head.

edit: Heh, I've been offered but I just don't really care to.

From some site. (http://www.clearhavencenter.com/substance-abuse-treatment-resources/signs-of-Methamphetamine-use.php)

    * Hyperactivity
    * Irritability
    * Visual hallucinations
    * Auditory hallucinations (hearing "voices")
    * Suicidal tendencies
    * Aggression
    * Suspiciousness, severe paranoia
    * Shortness of breath
    * Increased blood pressure
    * Cardiac arrhythmia
    * Stroke
    * Sweating
    * Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea
    * Long periods of sleep ("crashing" for 24-48 hours or more)
    * Prolonged sluggishness, severe depression
    * Weight loss, malnutrition, anorexia
    * Itching (illusion that bugs are crawling on the skin)
    * Welts on the skin
    * Involuntary body movements
    * Paranoid delusions

Many of which also are effects of too much alcohol. If people take it knowing the possible results, well...


But really, I'm just in favor of legalization of drugs so that many of the problems, such as putting drug dealers out of business, reducing prison population and providing a very massive source of revenue for taxes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:18:39 PM
Understandable, and I think that makes plenty of sense.  I'm just not big on the actual drugs themselves.

Again, meh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 09:20:31 PM
Dude, there are like entire genres of music that cannot be truly appreciated without the power of drugs.  You're not making the best possible choices to maximize your education.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 09:23:09 PM
Even the great american hero Michael Phelps smoke pot.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
Why do you care so much?  I enjoy music just as much as anyone else I know, and that's including my friends who smoke and take acid.  In fact, a lot of them look to me for new music and what I think of so-and-so.  I enjoy music more than anything in my life, and I'm completely okay with how I listen to it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2009, 09:24:25 PM
Good. Don't let anyone peer pressure you into destroying your mind/body :punch
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
Why do you care so much?  I enjoy music just as much as anyone else I know, and that's including my friends who smoke and take acid.  In fact, a lot of them look to me for new music and what I think of so-and-so.  I enjoy music more than anything in my life, and I'm completely okay with how I listen to it.

Yeah but you don't experience music. That's why Hendrix wrote a song about it. You listen to music, we experience it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 31, 2009, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
Why do you care so much?  I enjoy music just as much as anyone else I know, and that's including my friends who smoke and take acid.  In fact, a lot of them look to me for new music and what I think of so-and-so.  I enjoy music more than anything in my life, and I'm completely okay with how I listen to it.

but just think - you could take all the music you love and make it EVEN BETTER
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
Why do you care so much?  I enjoy music just as much as anyone else I know, and that's including my friends who smoke and take acid.  In fact, a lot of them look to me for new music and what I think of so-and-so.  I enjoy music more than anything in my life, and I'm completely okay with how I listen to it.

I care because you'd be surprised.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:28:55 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 09:23:34 PM
Why do you care so much?  I enjoy music just as much as anyone else I know, and that's including my friends who smoke and take acid.  In fact, a lot of them look to me for new music and what I think of so-and-so.  I enjoy music more than anything in my life, and I'm completely okay with how I listen to it.

Yeah but you don't experience music. That's why Hendrix wrote a song about it. You listen to music, we experience it.

Oh that's just dandy.  What makes you think I don't "experience" it?  I get so emotionally attached to what I listen to, how do you come off thinking your on a higher plane of enjoyment than I am?

edit: also this isn't the place for this sort of discussion.  just make a new thread
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 09:32:33 PM
I can't make a thread because i'm a leper, you make the thread.

And no, you just listen to music and have emotional attachment. When you experience you literally experience it. You ride it like a helicopter.

Nothing beats the experience of sitting with your friends with a couple joints and bongs, and sharing music that everyone just feels and rocks out too.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
com'on New do it. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:36:52 PM
I need new friends at least, no one wants to sit down and listen to The Dodos or Animal Collective with me, they'd rather listen to like Zeppelin.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 09:39:50 PM
Fuck your friends.  If they don't listen to Merzbow, they're fegs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:41:24 PM
My dad has that old Beethoven synth album, btw TVC, that I tried to bring over one day and they all just laughed at me.  I left  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 09:44:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neLKgSdrch8

:rock
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:46:00 PM
:-/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 09:49:06 PM
See what your missing by not taking drugs?  Poor New. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
Animal Collective becomes a totally different beast under marihuana
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
Animal Collective becomes a totally different beast under marihuana

Really, why even bother listening to a psychedelic band if there are no drugs involved?  It's as pointless as having sex while wearing a condom.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on January 31, 2009, 09:54:36 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 09:53:01 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
Animal Collective becomes a totally different beast under marihuana

Really, why even bother listening to a psychedelic band if there are no drugs involved?  It's as pointless as having sex while wearing a condom.
bastards :/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 31, 2009, 09:51:09 PM
Animal Collective becomes a totally different beast under marihuana

Well, okay.  I fucking love them already.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 09:59:17 PM
BrandNew it's worth it, especially if you love music. You'll become so much more creative too. It won't work on your first try so if you get discouraged don't worry, that happens to everyone. The second time is when it takes you for a ride.

When It first hit me Tribute was on by Tenacious D. It was pretty much the musical video taking place in my head.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 10:02:06 PM
Also, psychedelics totally make them chunky early moogs and other modular analog synthesizers sound completely awesome.  It's like the music is wired directly into your brain.  It's amazing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 10:04:58 PM
We're not asking him to do drugs, we're sharing stories.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 31, 2009, 10:05:24 PM
I've been clean for 5 years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 10:06:52 PM
Quote from: Jinfash on January 31, 2009, 10:03:27 PM
Asking someone to do drugs just so they could appreciate music more is stupid.

Psychoactive agents can be used to make things better.  The air force gives amphetamines to pilots because it makes them perform better.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with using chemicals to improve yourself.  If I don't take DMAE, I stutter really bad, for example.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 31, 2009, 10:12:25 PM
Why is everyone all over BrandNew's shit? It's his life.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 31, 2009, 10:12:25 PM
Why is everyone all over BrandNew's shit? It's his life.

Because he'd be a better person on drugs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 31, 2009, 10:12:25 PM
Why is everyone all over BrandNew's shit? It's his life.

Because he'd be a better person on drugs.
.

And because not only would he finally experience music he would also experience sex. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
Better person?  lol okay
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 31, 2009, 10:27:59 PM
BrandNew, do you eat out assholes or allow yourself to be rimmed?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 10:29:10 PM
I actually just shit in a toilet and leave it at that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 10:29:15 PM
Of course, this is all self-serving in the end.  I just want Brand New to become a total junkie so I can buy him on rentboy.com.  I'd make him clean my place naked.  While he'd be working on the toilet, I'd attack and rape him from behind while shoving his head in the toilet.  Then while his face was wet, I'd shave his face with my razor that never gets any actual action because I can't grow facial hair.

So you're getting started on this a little too late, so I'd just skip the weed and kiddie shit and jump right into pain killers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 31, 2009, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 31, 2009, 10:29:10 PM
I actually just shit in a toilet and leave it at that.

Are you kidding me? You haven't experienced sexual gratification. I want you to bury your nose in the next taint you see and go hog wild
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 10:31:01 PM
My computer screen will get nose prints and get all fogged up, though
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 31, 2009, 10:33:15 PM
OK, delete my PM
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 10:34:46 PM
brandnew has never even seen a vagina, much less a taint
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 10:35:57 PM
truth
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2009, 10:36:08 PM
well this thread is ruined
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 31, 2009, 10:48:47 PM
You guys are great. :heartbeat


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on January 31, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
This is the best thread ever. On weed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 31, 2009, 10:55:14 PM
What the hell does page 17 have to do with Obama?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 31, 2009, 10:56:02 PM
This thread is now about BrandNew gettin' high and gettin' pussy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 10:29:15 PM
So you're getting started on this a little too late, so I'd just skip the weed and kiddie shit and jump right into pain killers.

this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 31, 2009, 11:00:56 PM
/me reads the last two pages.

Music sounds best when I'm lying motionless with my eyes closed in a semi-meditative state.

That or on the floor in the fetal position, drunk and crying.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on January 31, 2009, 11:03:45 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
This is the best thread ever. On weed.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/6qdtly.jpg)

:bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 31, 2009, 11:11:39 PM
Quote from: Malek on January 31, 2009, 11:00:56 PM
/me reads the last two pages.

Music sounds best when I'm lying motionless with my eyes closed in a semi-meditative state.

That or on the floor in the fetal position, drunk and crying.

.

Though when drunk and crying I usually scream, which destroys the music somewhat. 

Edit:  Bringing the off topic to the 18th page.  WOOT. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on January 31, 2009, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: Father_Mike on January 31, 2009, 11:11:39 PM

Though when drunk and crying I usually scream, which destroys the music somewhat. 


It goes well with some Yoko Ono singles.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on January 31, 2009, 11:19:54 PM
music sounds the best on adderall - fact

its especially dangerous mixed w/ online downloading, youll look at the shit you downloaded the next day and be like wtf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Akala on January 31, 2009, 11:28:32 PM
Quote from: Drewsy on January 31, 2009, 11:19:54 PM
music sounds the best on adderall - fact

its especially dangerous mixed w/ online downloading, youll look at the shit you downloaded the next day and be like wtf

 :lol

The shit that I DL while drunk is ten times worse that anything I'd ever get tweaked out. For example...

I actually got Nicola Conte, the best of the fucking cranberries, and lil wayne last night after going out. LIL WAYNE. smh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on February 01, 2009, 12:46:03 AM
Music while drunk is just violent. Music while high is ecstacy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2009, 12:47:21 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on January 31, 2009, 09:44:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neLKgSdrch8

:rock

noise
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on February 01, 2009, 12:48:10 AM
lil wayne is awesome stfu

listen to the carter 4 leak

http://www.datpiff.com/lil_wayne_lil_wayne_eminemjers_cocaine_bishop.m31204.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 01, 2009, 12:55:24 AM
would Obama have won if he had vitiligo?

He did drugs before and he became president.  If he had vitiligo, I don't think he would have become president.  Therefore, doing drugs is better than being white.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 01, 2009, 03:06:15 AM
Real talk:  if a video appeared on the internet of this happening to Obama a week before the elections, would he still have won?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7l6jg4Hlog
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2009, 06:29:11 PM
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Newt Gingrich said he sees "an open Republican field" for the 2012 Republican presidential race, The Hill reports. But he made special mention of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R).

Said Gingrich: "If Sarah Palin seeks out a group of very sophisticated policy advisers and develops a fairly sophisticated platform, she will be very formidable."

According to The Hotline, he says Palin would have a "substantial advantage" in Iowa, the first-in-the nation caucus state, where she has "a very big base."

Just after the presidential election, Gingrich downplayed Palin's strength in the Republican party.
http://politicalwire.com/

in other words "if she chooses me as her surrogate and then vp"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 02, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
omg Palin/Gingrich '12   :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 02, 2009, 07:26:57 PM
Gingrich: Out of touch since 2004*

*and all years before
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 02, 2009, 07:37:02 PM
Newt can't run.  Too much dirt.  We've been over this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 02, 2009, 07:40:29 PM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jan/29/obama-first-broken-promise/

Obama's told his first lie. The honeymoon's over.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on February 02, 2009, 09:36:00 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on January 30, 2009, 01:49:00 PM
The last thing we need, more pigs.

F*ck you too.  ::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2009, 09:51:22 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on February 02, 2009, 07:37:02 PM
Newt can't run.  Too much dirt.  We've been over this.

Newt could be her Karl Rove.


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Republicans float out some of their ideas.

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McConnell also said Republicans favor cutting the two lowest tax brackets as a way to " put money back in people's hands directly." If adopted, that would reduce the tax rate from 10 percent to 5 percent for the first $8,350 in individual income for the current year, and $16,700 for couples. The tax rate would be lowered from 15 percent to 10 percent on income between $8,351 and $33,950 for individuals and between $16,701 and $67,900 for couples.

bububu they hate poor people!!

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Separately, Republican officials said they intended to press for a $15,000 tax credit for homebuyers through the end of the year. Current law permits a $7,500 tax break and limits it to first-time homebuyers.


Those seem like solid ideas to me. Add those and cut out some of that pork, and you have a stimulus bill.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 02, 2009, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2009, 09:51:22 PM
Those seem like solid ideas to me. Add those and cut out some of that pork, and you have a stimulus bill.




It isn't that simple as "cut some of that pork" Republicans and Democrats don't agree on what pork is. At least in terms of this bill.
Title: BUY AMERICAN SMH
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2009, 10:48:37 PM

US rescue deal clause 'dangerous'
President Barack Obama
Barack Obama says he expects a "difficult few days"

The EU and Canada have warned that a clause in the US economic recovery package could promote protectionism.

The "Buy American" clause seeks to ensure that only US iron, steel and manufactured goods are used in construction work funded by the bill.

The EU ambassador in Washington said that if approved, the measure would set a "dangerous precedent".

The $800bn (£567bn) rescue plan package is under discussion in the US Senate this week.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama is expected to name Republican Senator Judd Gregg as commerce secretary.

Mr Gregg would be the third Republican in Mr Obama's cabinet.

The president's first choice for the post, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, withdrew following questions about his links to big business.

'Dangerous precedent'

The BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says Mr Obama will hope that Mr Gregg's nomination can help him secure approval for the stimulus package.

It is unlikely that the package, which has already been approved by the House of Representatives, will be able to pass the Senate without Republican support.
   
If we have a series of protectionist measures introduced, then the possibility of real global leadership is put at risk
John Bruton
EU ambassador to Washington

The White House has said it is reviewing the "Buy American" part of the stimulus bill, although Vice President Joe Biden said last week that it was legitimate to have some portion of Buy American in the final measure.

EU Ambassador John Bruton said that if passed, the measure could sap global public confidence.

"If we have a series of protectionist measures introduced, then the possibility of real global leadership is put at risk," he said.

"We regard this legislation as setting a very dangerous precedent at a time when the world is facing a global economic crisis."

'Retaliatory risk'

In a letter to Senate leaders, the Canadian ambassador in Washington, Michael Wilson, said that if "Buy American" was in the final legislation, it would set a negative precedent with global repercussions.

"The United States will lose the moral authority to pressure others not to introduce protectionist policies," he wrote.

Canadian International Trade Minister Stockwell Day said Canada hoped to be exempted from any such measure, which he warned could lead to a global depression.

"These protectionist measures, in a time of recession, only make things worse," he told broadcaster CBC.

"It can only trigger retaliatory action and we don't want to go there."

There is also opposition from some senior US Republicans who say the measure could start trade wars.

Mr Obama has urged the US Congress not to delay his stimulus plan over modest differences.

He said on Monday that he was expecting a "difficult next few days" as the Senate debated the package.

He also warned that more US banks are likely to fail as the full extent of their losses in the economic crisis becomes clear.

The Democrat leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, has said he hopes the stimulus can be approved by the end of the week.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 03, 2009, 12:17:20 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2009, 09:51:22 PM
Republicans float out some of their ideas.

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McConnell also said Republicans favor cutting the two lowest tax brackets as a way to " put money back in people's hands directly." If adopted, that would reduce the tax rate from 10 percent to 5 percent for the first $8,350 in individual income for the current year, and $16,700 for couples. The tax rate would be lowered from 15 percent to 10 percent on income between $8,351 and $33,950 for individuals and between $16,701 and $67,900 for couples.

bububu they hate poor people!!

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Separately, Republican officials said they intended to press for a $15,000 tax credit for homebuyers through the end of the year. Current law permits a $7,500 tax break and limits it to first-time homebuyers.


Those seem like solid ideas to me. Add those and cut out some of that pork, and you have a stimulus bill.

The story (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gdDrWnoMueqVFI-Uo1ClxVZur22AD963QI980) seems to imply that the cut in the lower brackets replaces the refundable tax credits, which would be a Bad Thing.

And why a bigger credit for house purchases?  That seems kinda dumb.  For one, don't prices still have a way to go before they get back in line with the long term trend?  Secondly, if you change it from first-time buyers to all buyers, you're not creating demand for new homes (edit: which I'm not sure we should be doing anyway).

This plan sounds better than DeMint's, at least.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2009, 01:35:32 AM
What if a  company expects a large reduction in profit in the near future?  It makes sense to cut unnecessary positions now so that more profit can be tucked away for the future.  Basically, the idea is that you cut X,000 jobs now so that you don't have to cut 2X,000 jobs in the future.

It seems highly unlikely that most companies would expect their profits to grow in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2009, 01:45:13 AM
Just because a company is profitable for the quarter doesn't mean they will be profitable in the future. That's why they can announce positive earnings on the same day they announce job cuts. They are forecasting losses and the job cuts are done to offset those future losses.


It's a sign to Wall St that you are proactive and not reactive.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 03, 2009, 01:59:15 AM
Yeah, layoffs are in anticipation of the near future.  A company that expects sales to crash in the coming year is going to cut costs, just as one that was in the red but expects to start raking it in will probably maintain or expand their workforce.

More generally, you should expect corporations to pay as few people as little money as they possibly can.  That's what they do.  It's offset somewhat by workers' demand for job security.  More if the workers have leverage (tight labor market, unions), less in times like this.



Re: The home buying tax credit.  It's basically an interest free loan that's paid back over 15 years.  The current version is a one year temporary deal, which the Blue Dogs liked because it's basically revenue neutral.  It seems to barely change the cost of a mortgage, so I'm not sure it would have any significant effects on the market.

Someone must think it does, though.  The realtor and homebuilder lobbies pushed for it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 08:22:42 AM
Saw this on GAF, I am really glad that Obama refuses to listen to Petraeus. Although it seems to be getting the military angry.

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CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21.

But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.

Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy.

A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision.

Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2009, 08:28:50 AM
We'll see who wins this tug of war. I'm not convinced Obama will meet his 16 month deadline.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 03, 2009, 10:51:44 AM
Another day...another Obama tax cheat nominee:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/another-tax-pro.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/another-tax-pro.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 03, 2009, 10:55:04 AM
The income tax is unconstitutional. Just another American hero
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 03, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 03, 2009, 10:51:44 AM
Another day...another Obama tax cheat nominee:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/another-tax-pro.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/another-tax-pro.html)

Wow. I wonder if huffington post is reporting all of this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 03, 2009, 11:07:12 AM
Obama is announcing the Gregg nomination now. Brilliant for the obvious reason that it will give them another seat in 2010. But, also brilliant because he can blame the sluggish recovery on a Republican.

I don't really see what Gregg gains from it though. He gets the token REP cabinet position for four years tops when he won the Senate seat with a 66% vote in a heavily DEM state. Re-election would be well within the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 03, 2009, 11:10:37 AM
Jesus, how hard it is to hire a decent accountant.  They definitely have the money.  Totally ridiculous.   
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 03, 2009, 11:12:06 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 03, 2009, 11:03:40 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 03, 2009, 10:51:44 AM
Another day...another Obama tax cheat nominee:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/another-tax-pro.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/another-tax-pro.html)

Wow. I wonder if huffington post is reporting all of this.

front page news

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/07/nancy-killefer-obamas-chi_n_155910.html

It actually says she took 18 months to pay the taxes, not the 5 months ABC claims


edit: length of the error vs time it took for her to resolve it after it was found
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2009, 11:35:20 AM
The Daschle thing really bothers me. Not because the guy did some great injustice, but it just shows you the golden parachute these politicians get when they leave office (usually because of incompetence).

I heard some talking head defend Daschle by saying, "Well, he did public service for 20 years and ONLY made a million dollars". Like he made some great sacrifice and he was grossly underpaid for it.

During the Stevens debacle, one of his fellow Senators excused him by stating, (paraphasing) "He is from the old school and doesn't understand how it's done." The implication being that the old way of doing it was taking small bribes while in office, now everyone knows how to do it.

I would like my politics to be like eating meat. I will feel better about the end product if I remain ignorant of how it's really done.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
Daschle's shady.  Hopefully he doesn't make it (though I'm sure he'd have a soft landing anyway  :-\).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
Daschle's shady.  Hopefully he doesn't make it (though I'm sure he'd have a soft landing anyway  :-\).
He was not only a senator but senate majority leader so he is buddy buddy with everyone in the senate and thus able to personally persuade anyone who may vote against him. I bet he'll get more than 60 votes in the end.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2009, 12:01:55 PM
Evidently Peter Rouse, Obama's chief of staff, was with Daschle for 19 years. So, no surprise why Daschle was selected for a position he is barely qualified for.

When you consider what Linda Chavez lost her nomination for in 2001, it would be pretty remarkable (and sad) for Daschle to make it through

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Chavez#Career_in_Republican_administrations
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2009, 12:27:18 PM
Ban me for 16 months if we're out of Iraq in 16 months
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 11:39:50 AM
Daschle's shady.  Hopefully he doesn't make it (though I'm sure he'd have a soft landing anyway  :-\).
He was not only a senator but senate majority leader so he is buddy buddy with everyone in the senate and thus able to personally persuade anyone who may vote against him. I bet he'll get more than 60 votes in the end.
I don't doubt it.  He's pals with Bob Dole too.  I'm just hoping.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 03, 2009, 12:50:18 PM
Daschle's out...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 01:07:59 PM
THE POWER OF MY HOPE :omg
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Wow. And he was one of Obama's earliest big name endorses too.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 08:22:42 AM
Saw this on GAF, I am really glad that Obama refuses to listen to Petraeus. Although it seems to be getting the military angry.
How is this in any way a good thing?  He's not listening to the person most qualified to tell him what to do with Iraq.  Pulling out of Iraq was just PR bullshit and Obama's hoping that Iraq doesn't shit itself in less than 4 years.
Title: Malek, find me the :amnintenho
Post by: Mandark on February 03, 2009, 03:22:38 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 01:37:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 08:22:42 AM
Saw this on GAF, I am really glad that Obama refuses to listen to Petraeus. Although it seems to be getting the military angry.
How is this in any way a good thing?  He's not listening to the person most qualified to tell him what to do with Iraq.  Pulling out of Iraq was just PR bullshit and Obama's hoping that Iraq doesn't shit itself in less than 4 years.

If Iraq were just some technical problem, then you could hand it off to the experts and let them deal with it.  But this ain't airline safety and Petraeus ain't the FAA.

Iraq is a political issue, in the broad sense.  These are decisions about who controls what, and how the US affects that through its military.  Let Petraeus start making those decisions, and you'll have essentially appointed him as viceroy of Iraq at that point.  You wouldn't let a general decide whether to start a war, so why let one decide to continue an occupation?

What's always missing from these discussions is Iraqi agency.  Well, public opinion is vastly in favor of the US GingTFO, and they negotiated a status of forces agreement on the condition that the US GsTFO.  Let's remember that it's not our country.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
Oh come on, Petraeus should have some say in when the pull out happens.  Obama just disregarding any legitimate security concerns that he has is idiotic.  What Obama should have done is at least compromised and pushed it up a few months so that Petraeus can feel that Obama is somewhat reasonable.  The only reason for a 16 month plan is to get the troops back by Independance Day 2011 so that Obama can get a PR boost.  Keeping to this schedule doesn't help Obama's relationship with the military, Iraq's security, and it especially won't help America's image if another dictator takes over.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
Oh come on, Petraeus should have some say in when the pull out happens.  Obama just disregarding any legitimate security concerns that he has is idiotic.  What Obama should have done is at least compromised and pushed it up a few months so that Petraeus can feel that Obama is somewhat reasonable.  The only reason for a 16 month plan is to get the troops back by Independance Day 2011 so that Obama can get a PR boost.  Keeping to this schedule doesn't help Obama's relationship with the military, Iraq's security, and it especially won't help America's image if another dictator takes over.

He promised the American people 16 months in the campaign. And I am glad he is sticking to his word on this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2009, 07:31:05 PM
so he should take a risk with Iraq and hurt his relationship with the military so that he can be an honest guy?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
You act like he made that decision on a whim and ignored everyone. He came up with that plan based on the advice and counsel of military experts (who I'd imagine know a hell lot more than you or I on this).

Just because the Petreus and his loyalists disagree don't make him right. Obama has plenty of military advisors who agree with him and helped craft the 16 month plan.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 03, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
You act like he made that decision on a whim and ignored everyone. He came up with that plan based on the advice and counsel of military experts (who I'd imagine know a hell lot more than you or I on this).

Just because the Petreus and his loyalists disagree don't make him right. Obama has plenty of military advisors who agree with him and helped craft the 16 month plan.

Who?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 03, 2009, 07:46:20 PM
Draw down in Iraq fine. Probably the best opportunity we've had since the invasion.

But, I don't agree with doubling the forces in Afland. History shows it never ends well.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 07:31:05 PM
so he should take a risk with Iraq and hurt his relationship with the military so that he can be an honest guy?


He's the president.

There should be no fucking concerns with "his relationship with the military"

Sounds like LeMay-esque bullshit to me.

Quote from: Cheebs on February 03, 2009, 07:36:39 PM
You act like he made that decision on a whim and ignored everyone. He came up with that plan based on the advice and counsel of military experts (who I'd imagine know a hell lot more than you or I on this).

Just because the Petreus and his loyalists disagree don't make him right. Obama has plenty of military advisors who agree with him and helped craft the 16 month plan.

Exactly.  There is absolutely no reason why Obama should be beholden to the military.  They have valuable input, to be sure, but they don't make policy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2009, 07:51:07 PM
No, I can see Obama's justification for the 16 month timeline.  He obviously has a political motivation but the problem is that Petraeus isn't comfortable at all with it and Obama, for PR reasons if any, can't extend the timeline even a few months.  This is totally justified behavior for Obama since he is not a messiah that's going to end racism or corruption.  He's a diplomat.

What I can't understand is why anybody would cheer this.  If the president has a bad relationship with the military, that won't help the country at all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 07:51:07 PM
No, I can see Obama's justification for the 16 month timeline.  He obviously has a political motivation but the problem is that Petraeus isn't comfortable at all with it and Obama, for PR reasons if any, can't extend the timeline even a few months.  This is totally justified behavior for Obama since he is not a messiah that's going to end racism or corruption.  He's a diplomat.

What I can't understand is why anybody would cheer this.  If the president has a bad relationship with the military, that won't help the country at all.

You clearly did not get my reference.

Kennedy had a "bad relationship" with the military too.  It didn't harm the country one bit.  And in fact, probably was a good thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 03, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
You clearly did not get my reference.
Kennedy had a "bad relationship" with the military too.  It didn't harm the country one bit.  And in fact, probably was a good thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Which partly is why the Bay of Pigs failed and possibly even why Johnson started the Vietnam War.  You want to half-ass a military operation for political interests and you'll end up in deep shit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 03, 2009, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
You clearly did not get my reference.
Kennedy had a "bad relationship" with the military too.  It didn't harm the country one bit.  And in fact, probably was a good thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Which partly is why the Bay of Pigs failed and possibly even why Johnson started the Vietnam War.  You want to half-ass a military operation for political interests and you'll end up in deep shit.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 03, 2009, 08:11:50 PM
I doubt it will be 16 months.  2-3 years maybe.  Once the right wing steps up their FUD and tries to make it seem like we're /)(\ short of victory, Obama will marginally adjust his schedule.  Most people though want out of Iraq.  Not necessarily because of whether it is a success or not (most people think not) but people don't want to spend hundreds of billions a year for another country.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
You clearly did not get my reference.
Kennedy had a "bad relationship" with the military too.  It didn't harm the country one bit.  And in fact, probably was a good thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Which partly is why the Bay of Pigs failed

No.

The Bay of Pigs was a CIA fuckup. It only has to do with a "bad relationship with the military" if you believe Kennedy should have ceded to military pressure to commence airstrikes on Cuba.


Quote
and possibly even why Johnson started the Vietnam War. 

wtf?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2009, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 07:51:07 PM
No, I can see Obama's justification for the 16 month timeline.  He obviously has a political motivation but the problem is that Petraeus isn't comfortable at all with it and Obama, for PR reasons if any, can't extend the timeline even a few months.  This is totally justified behavior for Obama since he is not a messiah that's going to end racism or corruption.  He's a diplomat.

What I can't understand is why anybody would cheer this.  If the president has a bad relationship with the military, that won't help the country at all.

You clearly did not get my reference.

Kennedy had a "bad relationship" with the military too.  It didn't harm the country one bit.  And in fact, probably was a good thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And we know how that turned out
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 03, 2009, 08:18:54 PM
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 03, 2009, 09:14:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2009, 08:17:41 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 07:54:37 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 07:51:07 PM
No, I can see Obama's justification for the 16 month timeline.  He obviously has a political motivation but the problem is that Petraeus isn't comfortable at all with it and Obama, for PR reasons if any, can't extend the timeline even a few months.  This is totally justified behavior for Obama since he is not a messiah that's going to end racism or corruption.  He's a diplomat.

What I can't understand is why anybody would cheer this.  If the president has a bad relationship with the military, that won't help the country at all.

You clearly did not get my reference.

Kennedy had a "bad relationship" with the military too.  It didn't harm the country one bit.  And in fact, probably was a good thing during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And we know how that turned out

:lol pd, you're actually starting to make real funny
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 11:12:54 PM
am nintenho, you know that Iraq signed a security agreement  last year prescribing that American troops be out in 2011 right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/world/middleeast/17iraq.html?hp
I don't think it should be up to to the military to dictate policy in the least anyway, but this is something the US is obligated to do already.
Title: Re: BUY AMERICAN SMH
Post by: chronovore on February 03, 2009, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: Father_Mike on February 02, 2009, 10:48:37 PM
Meanwhile, President Barack Obama is expected to name Republican Senator Judd Gregg as commerce secretary.

Mr Gregg would be the third Republican in Mr Obama's cabinet.

The president's first choice for the post, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, withdrew following questions about his links to big business.

I love that there were concerns about Bill Richardson's big business connections, but we have rarely heard a peep about Cheney's no-bid contract awards to Halliburton, where he had been CEO until 2000, right up until taking the office of VPOTUS. The irony. I am choking on it.
Title: Re: BUY AMERICAN SMH
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 04, 2009, 12:00:22 AM
Quote from: chronovore on February 03, 2009, 11:54:02 PM
Quote from: Father_Mike on February 02, 2009, 10:48:37 PM
Meanwhile, President Barack Obama is expected to name Republican Senator Judd Gregg as commerce secretary.

Mr Gregg would be the third Republican in Mr Obama's cabinet.

The president's first choice for the post, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, withdrew following questions about his links to big business.

I love that there were concerns about Bill Richardson's big business connections, but we have rarely heard a peep about Cheney's no-bid contract awards to Halliburton, where he had been CEO until 2000, right up until taking the office of VPOTUS. The irony. I am choking on it.

That or the butt buddy relationship between Ken Lay and the Bush family.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 04, 2009, 01:44:52 AM
patrick, this is the worst time to start caring
Quote from: patrickula on February 03, 2009, 11:12:54 PM
am nintenho, you know that Iraq signed a security agreement  last year prescribing that American troops be out in 2011 right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/world/middleeast/17iraq.html?hp
I don't think it should be up to to the military to dictate policy in the least anyway, but this is something the US is obligated to do already.
What does that have to do with what I said?  My problem is with Obama sticking to the 16 month timeline.
Quote from: Boogie on February 03, 2009, 08:12:09 PM
No.
The Bay of Pigs was a CIA fuckup. It only has to do with a "bad relationship with the military" if you believe Kennedy should have ceded to military pressure to commence airstrikes on Cuba.
Quote
and possibly even why Johnson started the Vietnam War. 
wtf?
There is no way that the BoP would have been successful without air support.  The only realistic options would have been to either allow the air support, or not allow the operation at all.  Going ahead with it was suicide.

I was kind of joking about the Vietnam war thing since some people say that Johnson went ahead with that to gain favor with the military.
Title: am nintenho, willing to lose the plot in order to win a thread
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2009, 01:48:48 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 03, 2009, 06:25:29 PM
Oh come on, Petraeus should have some say in when the pull out happens.  Obama just disregarding any legitimate security concerns that he has is idiotic.  What Obama should have done is at least compromised and pushed it up a few months so that Petraeus can feel that Obama is somewhat reasonable.  The only reason for a 16 month plan is to get the troops back by Independance Day 2011 so that Obama can get a PR boost.  Keeping to this schedule doesn't help Obama's relationship with the military, Iraq's security, and it especially won't help America's image if another dictator takes over.

Ugh.

Hey guys, let's make the unstated assumption that American troop presence is always a force for stability and progress and the only motivation for opposing it must be selfish and political!  As long as we all agree on that, then the argument can proceed!  How about let's not.

"Now that's not fair.  I'm taking Petraeus' word for it, and surely we should listen to him?"

Hey, I'm as willing to defer to technical authority as anyone here.  But Petraeus isn't the only expert, and he's far from an unbiased one.

The man is a project manager.  Of course he wants more resources and time.  His job is to evaluate how the military can achieve its goals, not to run a cost-benefit on whether those goals are achievable, cost-efficient, or desirable in the larger scheme of international politics.  His job precludes him from declaring the mission futile, but someone else has to make the call at some point.

"Yeah, but what if there's a dictator?  That would be bad!"

Who?  Nobody's got the muscle to take down Maliki.  Maliki could become a strongman, but he's already halfway there thanks to the Bush administration, not that they actually planned it.

He was playing with house money:  he knew he could call in the US to protect his regime and back up his power grabs, as long as they were carried out under the flag of the Iraqi government.  He was able to populate the national army with party loyalists and elbow out rivals, rather than seeking peaceful compromises, because he had the most guns.  Our guns.

It's like the military version of lemon socialism.  Uncle Sam bails him out when things go badly, but Maliki reaps the benefits after the victories.

The point is that America can't control the political outcomes in Iraq, or even steer them towards some acceptable range.  The strongest regional and national players will continue to consolidate their control, using both violent and non-violent means, whether the US is there or not.

"Relationship with the military!  He should at least make Petraeus feel like he's being listened to."

He should spend a few dozen billion dollars more, and let more Americans die, so that a general won't have his feelings hurt?  I like to think I'm fairly sensitive, but come the fuck on.

If only Truman had nuked the hell out of China, to keep MacArthur from pouting.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 04, 2009, 02:07:36 AM
I'm sure that Patraeus has gained more knowledge of actually keeping Iraq secure than any politician.  He's not the only expert, but he's the guy in charge.  If anything, Obama's actions just undermine Patraeus' authority and makes Iraqis even less impressed with the US and the other security forces in the country after Saddam.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2009, 02:19:32 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 04, 2009, 02:07:36 AM
I'm sure that Patraeus has gained more knowledge of actually keeping Iraq secure than any politician.  He's not the only expert, but he's the guy in charge.  If anything, Obama's actions just undermine Patraeus' authority and makes Iraqis even less impressed with the US and the other security forces in the country after Saddam.

Obama can't give Petraeus orders because it undermines his authority?  Does this mean that Petraeus can't contradict the advice of his lieutenants (who surely have even more detailed local knowledge of their specific areas than he does) because it would undermine them?

Iraqis are going to see Obama telling his generals to start pulling out troops, something that the Iraqi people have demanded, and they will lose respect for the US?

God, so dumb.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 04, 2009, 02:21:12 AM
No, seeing the guy who was in charge of Iraq's security get ignored completely reflects badly on the US.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2009, 02:23:42 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 04, 2009, 02:21:12 AM
No, seeing the guy who was in charge of Iraq's security get ignored completely reflects badly on the US.

So you're saying that Petraeus should be able to make policy and supercede the president.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 04, 2009, 02:57:22 AM
And he should also be allowed a couple hunting accidents.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 04, 2009, 02:59:14 AM
am nintenho annihilated.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2009, 12:51:25 PM
Cheney melting faces
Quote
Former Vice President Dick Cheney warned that there is a “high probability” that terrorists will attempt a catastrophic nuclear or biological attack in coming years, and said he fears the Obama administration’s policies will make it more likely the attempt will succeed.

In an interview Tuesday with Politico, Cheney unyieldingly defended the Bush administration’s support for the Guantanamo Bay prison and coercive interrogation of terrorism suspects.

And he asserted that President Obama will either backtrack on his stated intentions to end those policies or put the country at risk in ways more severe than most Americans — and, he charged, many members of Obama’s own team — understand.

“When we get people who are more concerned about reading the rights to an Al Qaeda terrorist than they are with protecting the United States against people who are absolutely committed to do anything they can to kill Americans, then I worry,” Cheney said.

Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”

Citing intelligence reports :teehee, Cheney said at least 61 of the inmates who were released from Guantanamo during the Bush administration — “that’s about 11 or 12 percent” — have “gone back into the business of being terrorists.”

Quote
The choice, he alleged, reflects a naive mindset among the new team in Washington: “The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected. Sometimes, that requires us to take actions that generate controversy. I’m not at all sure that that’s what the Obama administration believes.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18390.html

More plus video at link
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 04, 2009, 12:53:53 PM
The stimulus bill is turning into a Grade A disaster for Obama and the DEMs. Durbin says there's not enough votes to get it through the Senate. Rasmussen polling shows a plurality now oppose it. And at least one Blue Dog is saying Obama told him to vote against it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 04, 2009, 01:12:27 PM
Cheney is the most amazing (not in a good way) VP ever. I think in about 5 years or so when former Bushies start to write books, you will see how cunning he was.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 04, 2009, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 04, 2009, 02:07:36 AM
I'm sure that Patraeus has gained more knowledge of actually keeping Iraq secure than any politician.  He's not the only expert, but he's the guy in charge.  If anything, Obama's actions just undermine Patraeus' authority and makes Iraqis even less impressed with the US and the other security forces in the country after Saddam.

what the fuck

Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 04, 2009, 12:53:53 PM
The stimulus bill is turning into a Grade A disaster for Obama and the DEMs. Durbin says there's not enough votes to get it through the Senate. Rasmussen polling shows a plurality now oppose it. And at least one Blue Dog is saying Obama told him to vote against it**.

**the House version of the bill
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 04, 2009, 05:34:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2009, 12:51:25 PM
Quote
Protecting the country’s security is “a tough, mean, dirty, nasty business,” he said. “These are evil people. And we’re not going to win this fight by turning the other cheek.”

indeed, so we must fight these evil anti-americans with all of our power

(arrests everyone who supported bush, has them tried and executed for crimes against humanity)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 04, 2009, 07:26:10 PM
Quote
FWD: FWD: FWD: 0. Hussein Soetoro Marxbama a MUSLIM!?!??! READ!

if that name were on the ballot I would have totally voted for him over the milquetoast Wall Street captive we appear to have elected  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 04, 2009, 08:42:23 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 04, 2009, 07:26:10 PM
the milquetoast Wall Street captive

HE'S A SOCIALIST *is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, has no idea what socialism is, is so far right that he makes nixon look like a hippy*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 04, 2009, 11:18:40 PM
Quote
Cheney said at least 61 of the inmates who were released from Guantanamo during the Bush administration — “that’s about 11 or 12 percent” — have “gone back into the business of being terrorists.”
Oh well in that case, we should keep them all locked up forever, just to be on the safe side.

Who cares if 90% are innocent.  I'd rather let nine innocents be wrongfully imprisoned for life than let one guilty man go free :american
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 04, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
wait

how can they "return" to being terrorists if they were released for being found not terrorists


then again, being wrongly imprisoned for years may just create a few terrorists
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 12:09:48 AM
Quote from: Crushed on February 04, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
wait

how can they "return" to being terrorists if they were released for being found not terrorists


then again, being wrongly imprisoned for years may just create a few terrorists

The Washington Post ran a front page story on a US-run prison in Iraq a little while ago.  The story was that they've greatly improved the prison system from the early years of the war, but still have no way of even trying to judge guilt and at this point aren't even that interested in it.

They're more worried about former prisoners joining the fight (for revenge or whatever reasons) than they are about prosecuting the guilty.

It's kind of understandable but it's still absurd.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 05, 2009, 01:34:32 AM
Some people would be held for months without being charged in Iraq.  Most Iraqis think that it's a pretty limp-wristed puppet government at this point.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 12:41:23 PM
 :piss http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/04/AR2009020403174.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/04/AR2009020403174.html?hpid=opinionsbox1) :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 05, 2009, 12:50:06 PM
Yeah, let's just do nothing, that'll fix it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on February 05, 2009, 12:51:25 PM
The writer is president of the United States.


hahahaha
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 05, 2009, 01:11:43 PM
sd, why are you not supporting the president, you traitorous america hater

THIS IZ ARE CUNTRY, YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN GIT OUT
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 05, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
Does am nintendho understand the chain of command?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 05, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
lol SD
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 05, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 05, 2009, 12:50:06 PM
Yeah, let's just do nothing, that'll fix it.

No, you don't understand, we need TAX CUTS.  That will fix it, even though TAX CUTS are like a 1/3rd less effective as stimulus as opposed to spending.  DUR DUR DUR.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 05, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
I want this thing passed almost just to get the thing over with, I am SOOOO tired of reading about it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 03:43:16 PM
The CBO is now saying the stimulus bill is worse than doing nothing.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 05, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
cdo? collaboration data objects? collateralized debt obligations? link, tardo!
Title: If someone doesn't link their source, they probably don't want you to read it
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:01:31 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 05, 2009, 03:50:00 PM
cdo? collaboration data objects? collateralized debt obligations? link, tardo!

Oh, he's just lying about this. (http://cboblog.cbo.gov/)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/obama-stimulus-plan-worse-than-doing-nothing/ (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/obama-stimulus-plan-worse-than-doing-nothing/)


And for those keeping score at home, SofLabor appointee Hilda Solis is the latest Obama cabinet tax cheat.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:11:20 PM
Oh lawdy, bringing up a Redstate diarist (http://www.redstate.com/mark_i/)?

Quote from: Mark Impomeni
When John McCain suspended his campaign on Wednesday and asked for a postponement of tonight’s debate, Barack Obama’s initial reaction was to hurl an insult, saying that he could handle the Wall Street bailout negotiations and debate at the same time. It was a foreshadowing of the juvenile, petty, and petulant candidate that would show up in Oxford, Mississippi tonight. McCain won this debate on points. But critically, he also won on temperament and likeability, allegedly Obama’s strong points. McCain got under Obama’s skin, and it showed.

That's some quality analysis right there, yep.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 05, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
bubububu the source.

Title: Wait, weren't you kvetching about a Krugman endorsement recently?
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:15:04 PM
Dude, I linked to the original source (the CBO report) two posts ago.  Keep up!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 05, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
lol sd
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2009, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:11:20 PM
Oh lawdy, bringing up a Redstate diarist (http://www.redstate.com/mark_i/)?

Quote from: Mark Impomeni
When John McCain suspended his campaign on Wednesday and asked for a postponement of tonight’s debate, Barack Obama’s initial reaction was to hurl an insult, saying that he could handle the Wall Street bailout negotiations and debate at the same time. It was a foreshadowing of the juvenile, petty, and petulant candidate that would show up in Oxford, Mississippi tonight. McCain won this debate on points. But critically, he also won on temperament and likeability, allegedly Obama’s strong points. McCain got under Obama’s skin, and it showed.

That's some quality analysis right there, yep.

wait, what?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 04:17:10 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/)

That dude alright?
Title: Tch tch.
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:18:22 PM
sd, are you paying attention?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 04:22:26 PM
links be flyin all over the place
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:28:47 PM
PROTIP:  If you're reading a news or opinion piece pegged on the phrase "A report released today by..." then you can probably just find the original document yourself.

Which saves you the trouble of correcting for someone's ideological filter, or the embarrassment of looking like a dope if you don't.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
Whatever...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Doug Elmendorf
The negative effect of crowding out could be offset somewhat by a positive long-term effect on the economy of some provsions—such as funding for infrastructure spending, education programs, and investment incentives, which might increase economic output in the long run.

Wait, I remember someone getting super angry at education spending which should be totally kept out of the bill because it's not stimulus because...  something.

Whoever shall I listen to?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 05, 2009, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 04:03:16 PM
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/obama-stimulus-plan-worse-than-doing-nothing/ (http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/02/05/obama-stimulus-plan-worse-than-doing-nothing/)


And for those keeping score at home, SofLabor appointee Hilda Solis is the latest Obama cabinet tax cheat.

No, her husband is.  smh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 05, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
apparently in sd's world, CBO reports (and perhaps primary sources in general) do not actually exist as concrete entities in their own right, only as abstract base classes for others' interpretations
Title: I always figured sd lived in a cave
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 06:11:11 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 05, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
apparently in sd's world, CBO reports (and perhaps primary sources in general) do not actually exist as concrete entities in their own right, only as abstract base classes for others' interpretations

Perhaps they are Forms, existing merely as unreachable ideals, which can only be approximated in our world by Washington Times editorials.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
God y'all are fucking crybabies.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 06:28:19 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer
Mom, they're being mean again!

 :violin


For a reasonable rate of $29.95 $19.95 (special 2G2D price!) a month, you can subscribe to the Mandark Kid Gloves Program, in which I don't ridicule you for your innumeracy, ahistoricality, or miscellaneous ignorance.

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 05, 2009, 06:59:06 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 05, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
God y'all are fucking crybabies.

you've been spending this entire thread crying about every time obama clips his toenails
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 05, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
I remember when sd liked obama, because of his health care plan lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2009, 07:20:45 PM
lots of people liked Obama before he showed his true color(s)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 05, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
Obama is getting fiery and pissed off at Republicans. He got more partisan tonight than I have seen him get in quite a while:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0209/Fired_up_again.html?showall
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 05, 2009, 11:18:52 PM
wow he sounded pissed

sd, he's looking at you
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2009, 12:12:32 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 05, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
Obama is getting fiery and pissed off at Republicans. He got more partisan tonight than I have seen him get in quite a while:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0209/Fired_up_again.html?showall


I find it comforting that our president isn't another mouth piece for big oil or some corporation push an agenda.

Title: Remember when his numbers were high enough to call them the "Bush tax cuts"?
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 12:19:10 AM
Here (http://demint.senate.gov/public/_files/2009-02-02_DeMint_Jobs_Plan_Summary.pdf) is the Demint alternative plan I mentioned a while back.

Quote
1) Defuse the 2011 tax bomb: Stop tax increases set to hit the economy in 2011.

o Permanently repeal the alternative minimum tax once and for all;
o Permanently keep the capital gains and dividends taxes at 15 percent;
o Permanently kill the Death Tax for estates under $5 million, and cut the tax rate to 15 percent for those above;
o Permanently extend the $1,000-per-child tax credit; o Permanently repeal the marriage tax penalty;
o Permanently simplify itemized deductions to include only home mortgage interest and charitable contributions.

2) Long term, broad based tax cuts for American families and businesses.

o Lower top marginal income rates – the one paid by most of the small businesses that create new jobs – from 35 percent to 25 percent.
o Simplify the tax code to include only two other brackets, 15 and 10 percent. o Lower corporate tax rate as well, from 35 percent to 25 percent. The U.S. corporate tax rate is second highest among all industrialized nations, driving investment and jobs overseas. Lowering this key rate will unlock trillions of dollars to be invested in America instead of abroad.
o This is not only good economic policy, but a matter of fairness. No American family should be forced to pay the federal government more than 25 percent of the fruits of their hard labor.


Basically a series of permanent tax cuts as a response to a temporary problem, with no attached spending cuts or any estimate of how much it would cost.  Well, you expect some Republicans to push the Grover Norquist line.

But this was put up to a vote as an amendment to the stimulus bill, and 36 Republican senators voted for it with only 4 against (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00038).  That's insane.

I probably shouldn't have been surprised by this, but I kept hearing about how the Senate Republicans, because of statewide elections and the collegial nature of the chamber, would be more moderate than the House GOP.  So much for that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 06, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
If the country collapses while they quibble over this ponderous bill, will everyone finally agree with me about how democracy doesn't work?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 12:33:40 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 06, 2009, 12:16:41 AM
The sheer arrogance of this post is mind-boggling.

See, now you're gonna have to pay the full $29.95. :wag
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 06, 2009, 12:37:14 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on February 06, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
If the country collapses while they quibble over this ponderous bill, will everyone finally agree with me about how democracy doesn't work?

"democracy and capitalism work because we're number one, so it's not their fault if we become number 10"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on February 06, 2009, 12:41:20 AM
who the fuck is mandark?

must live in seattle
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 12:42:25 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on February 06, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
If the country collapses while they quibble over this ponderous bill...

I don't really feel like this bill will have any effect on the near term, whether it passes or fails. 3-4 years from now, it will have a substantial effect (both positive and negative).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: drew on February 06, 2009, 12:50:51 AM
iconfag
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 12:42:25 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on February 06, 2009, 12:27:06 AM
If the country collapses while they quibble over this ponderous bill...

I don't really feel like this bill will have any effect on the near term, whether it passes or fails. 3-4 years from now, it will have a substantial effect (both positive and negative).

Going by the CBO estimates (http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=205) and the Romer-Bernstein paper (http://otrans.3cdn.net/45593e8ecbd339d074_l3m6bt1te.pdf) (warning: pdf) the opposite should actually be true.

Which makes sense.  Four years from now most of the money will have been spent, and we should be into a recovery period either way, meaning there's less potential difference in the outcomes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 01:12:37 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 05, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Doug Elmendorf
The negative effect of crowding out could be offset somewhat by a positive long-term effect on the economy of some provsions—such as funding for infrastructure spending, education programs, and investment incentives, which might increase economic output in the long run.

Wait, I remember someone getting super angry at education spending which should be totally kept out of the bill because it's not stimulus because...  something.

Whoever shall I listen to?

Making stuff up again I see.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 01:13:36 AM
I would be happy to eat crow if this package can come close to creating 2 million jobs by the end of this calendar year (according to the CBO report).

I just don't see it happening.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 01:26:31 AM
TA:  It'll definitely create jobs, if only because so much money is being spent.

I think the sticking point is that when they say it will "create X jobs in year Y" they're comparing it to how many jobs would be created/destroyed without the stimulus.

What they're measuring is basically the space between the two lines on page 4 of the Romer-Bernstein paper.



sd: Come again?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2009, 01:28:09 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 05, 2009, 11:11:54 PM
Obama is getting fiery and pissed off at Republicans. He got more partisan tonight than I have seen him get in quite a while:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0209/Fired_up_again.html?showall


:piss boohoo the republicans won't pass my pork pos, i'm too inexperienced to reach across the table and recognize tax cuts stimulate more than massive gov handouts :piss2

brb lemme give a speech to solve my problems
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2009, 01:29:04 AM
shyeah mayne
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 01:34:59 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 01:26:31 AM

I think the sticking point is that when they say it will "create X jobs in year Y" they're comparing it to how many jobs would be created/destroyed without the stimulus.

So they are making a prediction that can not be proven true/false in hindsight. Because you can't have dual realities where both occurrences are true.

Pfah



It's funny that Obama is wasting his time demonizing Republicans (and leaning on what's left of the Moderates), when it's the people in his very own party that are keeping this bill held up. If he had a unified Dem party, he could pass it without the Republicans.


Title: Yes yes, totally the Dems' fault
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 01:51:36 AM
Well, yeah.  You don't get control groups in macroeconomics, just counterfactuals.  That's why it's hard.

But they are giving specific numbers now that can be used as a basis for comparison later and being pretty open in their methodology.  So it's not like they'll be able to claim it worked just like they planned regardless of the final numbers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 08:32:28 AM
Disagree. That's why they use the "save or create" phrasing. There's no way to actually measure how many jobs it actually does "save". Seems like they should have gone higher to something like 50 million jobs saved. Can't prove it otherwise. Then the the bill could be credited for saving the entire economy.


Jan: -598k
Dec revision: -524k to -577k
Nov revision: -584k to -597k

-1.72m last three months

Unemployment: 7.6%
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 08:44:10 AM
Given those cheery numbers, it only makes sense that we take more time to argue over less than 2% of this thing as opposed to doing something now.

Also, those 36 GOP Senators should be rounded up and shot.  I literally can't believe that, count me in the Mandark and Krugman camp.  Those idiots are actually trying to push this thing over the cliff.  All tax cuts and no spending?  Jesus fucking Christ, you have to be shitting me.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 09:38:32 AM
This should hopefully mark the end of the kumbaya horseshit bipartisan nonsense.  When one side of the aisle is so divorced from reality that they're arguing with a straight face that spending isn't stimulative, you can't work with them.  Can't legislate with them.  Can't do it!  I'm hoping that Frag wasn't right about Obama being too nice to Republicans but it sure was looking that way for a bit.  Good to hear him rip into these idiots now.

Honestly, they made several mistakes.  First was giving away too much to begin with.  Should have just opened up with half of the tax cuts they put in there so you can make a show of "giving ground" to the Republicans.  If you'll remember when the broad outlines of the package were made public, Republicans were all happy and surprised.  Then they figured since that was your opening offer, let's see what else we can wrangle.  The second big mistake was letting some easy targets make their way in and letting the Republicans get their bearings by bashing them.  Oh well.  Live and learn, Barry O.  Live and learn.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 10:07:19 AM
If spending is stimulative then why is California going bankrupt?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 10:21:02 AM
Because of George Bush and his cronies .. duh

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 10:54:42 AM
Slightly off topic, but I got into an argument last night with a bleeding heart about environment issues. At the end of the argument he blammed all of China's envronment issues on china being "too libertarian."
I tried tellinh him that citizens in china have no right to object to their pallned economy or sue because of health reasons.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 06, 2009, 11:45:21 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 10:54:42 AM
Slightly off topic, but I got into an argument last night with a bleeding heart about environment issues. At the end of the argument he blammed all of China's envronment issues on china being "too libertarian."
I tried tellinh him that citizens in china have no right to object to their pallned economy or sue because of health reasons.


One time, I talked to you
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 06, 2009, 11:45:57 AM
:lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 10:07:19 AM
If spending is stimulative then why is California going bankrupt?

oh well, it was a good run. mandark annihilated
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

You seriously can't take people like that seriously, and as long as idiots keep electing them to office America will be worse off.  Just 24 hours of killing is all it would take...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 06, 2009, 02:54:17 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
You seriously can't take people like that seriously, and as long as idiots keep electing them to office America will be worse off.  Just 24 hours of killing is all it would take...

amen to this. someone said it this morning that negotiating with republicans on this is sort of like trying to work out where to go for dinner when the other person won't eat anything but used tires and anthrax spores.

the first house and senate resolutions passed this year should have been an official declaration of the republican party as the 'enemy of the people'.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 06, 2009, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

You seriously can't take people like that seriously, and as long as idiots keep electing them to office America will be worse off.  Just 24 hours of killing is all it would take...
Why do these people even run for office if they disdain government so much?  

*Sighs*

I'm just wondering why they are so emboldened after getting their ass kicked in the November elections.  I totally agree that Obama's reaching to other side was a failure as these guys are taking their marching orders from conservative talk radio booble heads.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

You seriously can't take people like that seriously, and as long as idiots keep electing them to office America will be worse off.  Just 24 hours of killing is all it would take...

Wealth isnt created that way. But at least you understand that wealth does have to be created in the first place.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

You seriously can't take people like that seriously, and as long as idiots keep electing them to office America will be worse off.  Just 24 hours of killing is all it would take...

Wealth isnt created that way. But at least you understand that wealth does have to be created in the first place.

You fatuous turd gobbler, wealth stands a FAR greater chance of being created by building an economy from the bottom up than it does from the top down.  Exhibit A:  The past 28 fucking years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2009, 03:29:33 PM
Krugman being a man:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/29051511#29051511 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/29051511#29051511)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 03:30:10 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

You seriously can't take people like that seriously, and as long as idiots keep electing them to office America will be worse off.  Just 24 hours of killing is all it would take...

Wealth isnt created that way. But at least you understand that wealth does have to be created in the first place.

You fatuous turd gobbler, wealth stands a FAR greater chance of being created by building an economy from the bottom up than it does from the top down.  Exhibit A:  The past 28 fucking years.

It worked out so great for all the planned economies in the 20th century.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Care to share?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 06, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Care to share?

Don't listen to him, he's a fucking idiot that doesn't realize that there was no middle class to speak of until the dreaded "socialist" laws and reforms of the devil FDR.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 06, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Care to share?

Don't listen to him, he's a fucking idiot that doesn't realize that there was no middle class to speak of until the dreaded "socialist" laws and reforms of the devil FDR.

So where was the middle in the USSR? Go ahead and give me an example of a planned economy that lead to long term wealth.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2009, 03:38:30 PM
Quote
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs.

Seriously?! With a straight face?!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 03:40:49 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 06, 2009, 03:32:18 PM
Care to share?

Don't listen to him, he's a fucking idiot that doesn't realize that there was no middle class to speak of until the dreaded "socialist" laws and reforms of the devil FDR.

So where was the middle in the USSR? Go ahead and give me an example of a planned economy that lead to long term wealth.

Show ME where I'm advocating 100% govt. control of an economy?  Your proposing a false choice between two extremes without acknowledging that there IS a middle ground whatsoever.  Rigorous govt. oversight and regulation of the marketplace is pretty obviously necessary now, except for batshit insane people like you, John Thune who wants to make the stimulus nothing but tax cuts and Tom fucking Coburn.  The problem with you people is that you're just smart enough to speak.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
The drop in support for the stimulus package is apparently coming entirely from Republicans  :lol:
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/JohnCampanelli/ff0srphnpums706nuceldw.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 04:09:32 PM
http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43192 (http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43192)


Quote
Cher: Republican Rule Almost ‘Killed Me’

Grammy award-winning singer and Academy award-winning actress Cher told CNSNews.com that living under Republican rule almost “killed" her, and she does not understand why anyone would want to be a Republican.

She also said that President Barack Obama’s “intelligence” and “spirit” are “so great” he will be able to do “more than anyone could possibly do.”

“I just think he’s totally the right person at this time in our history," she said.

 :lol



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 04:13:06 PM
Each sides have their idiots, but at least our idiots are legendary fag hags as opposed to cretins like Michelle Malkin and Joe the not Plumber.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 06, 2009, 04:16:18 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 04:13:06 PM
Each sides have their idiots, but at least our idiots are legendary fag hags as opposed to cretins like Michelle Malkin and Joe the not Plumber.

Not Joe the Not Plumber
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

And he's absolutely correct. The money that goes to pay the salary of each additional government job has to be taken out of the economy in the form of taxation. That is not wealth producing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 06, 2009, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
The drop in support for the stimulus package is apparently coming entirely from Republicans  :lol:
don't you just need a simple majority to pass it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 06, 2009, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 06, 2009, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2009, 03:57:08 PM
The drop in support for the stimulus package is apparently coming entirely from Republicans  :lol:
don't you just need a simple majority to pass it?
that poll was public opinion not politicians lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
 :drudge  
Source may be illsuited for screaming crybabies

 :drudge

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/61626.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/61626.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 06, 2009, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 06, 2009, 04:55:24 PM
that poll was public opinion not politicians lol
well that explains why there was 25% of two independants.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 05:49:04 PM
CNN says there's a tentative deal reached on a $780B package.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2009, 05:59:26 PM
So nothing gets done until someone (Obama) caves or gets bribed? Franken as #59 would make this shit much easier.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

And he's absolutely correct. The money that goes to pay the salary of each additional government job has to be taken out of the economy in the form of taxation. That is not wealth producing.

If Republicans can advocate letting the rich keep more of their money as a way of creating wealth when pretty much most evidence shows that they just sock it away somewhere, then by gawd I can advocate taking that money and using it to employ people instead.  You know what people do with the money the govt. pays them?  Buy shit, including houses, land  businesses and other forms of, I guess you could call it WEALTH.
Title: You weren't around to see what happened to FoC, were you?
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 06:39:39 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 06, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
This is a prime example of what I'm talking about:  Tom Coburn (admittedly pretty far out there even for a Republican when it comes to economic shit) was just on my teevee saying that no wealth is created from government jobs, including military jobs. 

WHAT.  THE.  FUCK.

And he's absolutely correct. The money that goes to pay the salary of each additional government job has to be taken out of the economy in the form of taxation. That is not wealth producing.

Every private job has a salary paid for by money taken away from customers.

"But those customers are paying for a service or good.  That's different!"

Unlike taxpayers who don't use roads or benefit from police-enforced security.  Or breathe air.

There's a ton of empirical data to support public spending for growth purposes, especially for infrastructure and education.  As in every single successful modern economy has a significant public sector.  Even the ballyhooed capitalist success stories in Southeast Asia involved a ton of money spent on public schools and heavy government hand in the financial sector.


You guys ever stop and worry that there might be consequences from sprinting away from reality?  Real talk.
Title: Re: You weren't around to see what happened to FoC, were you?
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 06:39:39 PM
Every private job has a salary paid for by money taken away from customers.

But only because the customer can afford it. And never through force or threats (like taxes).


Quote
If Republicans can advocate letting the rich keep more of their money as a way of creating wealth when pretty much most evidence shows that they just sock it away somewhere, then by gawd I can advocate taking that money and using it to employ people instead.

What you are saying is that it is okay to take money from the people who create it and give it to people need it. Redistribution of wealth here we come.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 06, 2009, 07:15:16 PM
libertarians get to stop paying taxes but they can't use anything that taxes fund. 
???

What do libertarians have to do with anything?
Title: Re: You weren't around to see what happened to FoC, were you?
Post by: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 06:39:39 PM

There's a ton of empirical data to support public spending for growth purposes,

Empirical data like California.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 06, 2009, 07:36:13 PM
Pay no mind to the Republicans.

Republicans are doing what most should have expected of them: drag their feet, offer wildly unrealistic alternatives, and then spend the remaining time pissing and moaning about the current leadership.  If a majority of them is not needed to pass the bill, then fuck them.  Fuck the supporters as well because most of them aren't going to bring shit to the table.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2009, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 06:39:39 PM
Every private job has a salary paid for by money taken away from customers.

But only because the customer can afford it. And never through force or threats (like taxes).

saying is that it is okay to take money from the people who create it and give it to people need it. Redistribution of wealth here we come.


car insurance isn't "coercion"? health insurance isn't "coercion"?

what about the act of creation gives you the right to something, anyhow? you're treading into philosophical waters well over your head, here.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2009, 08:50:12 PM
next person who bemoans "redistribution of wealth" gets dick slapp'd
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 09:05:50 PM
bububut COPS!

and EDUCATIONATORS!

Thank gawd for them especially. They were the only sector (besides healthcare) to add jobs. At that rate we'll be out of this thing in no time - like 30 years maybe. Hell, why don't we all become teachers? Y'all down? I hear the pensions are great (if you plan on retiring in the next 3 months before they all implode).

Yes We Can!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
sd self-annihilated
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
matt ryan must be in the hospital or something
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 09:17:14 PM
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=how_the_stimulus_screws_commuters

what a bunch of fucking morons.  civilization is doomed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2009, 09:19:21 PM
No words SD.  :maf :nsfw
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
Only the American government could figure out how to make each job saved/created cost 250,000 dollars.

Let's start building the Colosseum now.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2009, 09:26:21 PM
only corporations could pay million dollar salaries and bonuses to socially-destructive failures

let's fuck and make bumper stickers together :interracial
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
Some dude already said that everything taken out in the Senate will be stuffed back in in the House anyway. Take it that means this will be back to $900B next week. Be sure to thank your future unborn grandkids for all their generosity. Obama called on all of us to sacrifice. His political prowess defies generations. He's able to reach far into the future and take that which is needed now. Gotta try to patch the leaking credit bubble in any way possible. What an amazing president. First time I've ever really been proud of my country. Honestly.

Yes We Did!

(sry...messed it up the last post)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 09:43:31 PM
Quote
Only the American government could figure out how to make each job saved/created cost 250,000 dollars.

well, looking at the wikipedia entry for Ford for example, their costs per employee per 3 years appear to be 175.178B / 245k * 3 = $2.14 million / job.
Microsoft = 42.74B / 89,809 * 3 = $1.43M/job

but carry on
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2009, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
Some dude already said that everything taken out in the Senate will be stuffed back in in the House anyway. Take it that means this will be back to $900B next week. Be sure to thank your future unborn grandkids for all their generosity. Obama called on all of us to sacrifice. His political prowess defies generations. He's able to reach far into the future and take that which is needed now. Gotta try to patch the leaking credit bubble in any way possible. What an amazing president. First time I've ever really been proud of my country. Honestly.

Yes We Did!

(sry...messed it up the last post)

Wow...butthurt much?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
can libertarians even HAVE children

someone call science on this one
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2009, 09:48:10 PM
Hopefully Obama learns a valuable lesson from this, and in the future will just either shut the GOP out of negotiations from the get go or not think that he can make an initial offer to them that's reasonable and then expect them to bitch and whine their way into something absolutely craptacular as a "compromise".  Seriously, 42% tax cuts?  The LEAST efficient way to immediately stimulate the economy is... wait for it... TAX CUTS.  Even hiring some poor schmucks to sod the lawn of the National Mall would do more for the economy than a comparable amount of tax cuts.

So hopefully Barry O will get the message that these people are essentially distinguished mentally-challenged dinosaurs that have their heads shoved up their own asses.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
poor people and their stupid spending habits! why can't they just save like the wealthy!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2009, 09:55:59 PM
Seriously SD, what the fuck, that was the most hyperbole-driven dreg I've read, even from you.  Cry moar.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2009, 09:56:49 PM
Quote
While details are still incomplete, it appears the package, as initially brought to the Senate floor, will be scaled back by about $82 billion in spending reductions and $25 billion in tax cuts. In addition, tax cuts approved on the Senate floor this week for car and home purchases would be modified, and the total bill then would be in the range of $800 billion.

Lost in the process—or scaled back significantly— are some important Democratic initiatives and at least $47 billion in promised aid to the states. New Pell Grant funding is largely preserved, but $16 billion in school construction funds would be cut, and increases for popular programs like Head Start cut in half.

Obama’s own agenda is not immune. The deal would trim back new funds committed for expanding broadband access and improving the electrical grid as well as investments in health information technology.

Specter’s role is striking since he is a senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, which helped write the bill. On the floor this week, Democrats like Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin helped him secure increased funding for the National Institutes of Health—a Specter priority. Yet in the talks, it appears that $5.8 billion in public health funds for the treatment of preventable diseases—a Harkin priority— would be severely cut or even wiped out.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18508.html

Seems like the stuff that was cut could wind up in a more specific bill down the line right? Like improving the electric grid
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 06, 2009, 09:59:15 PM
What was his plan regarding the electric grid?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 10:02:30 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 09:43:31 PM
Quote
Only the American government could figure out how to make each job saved/created cost 250,000 dollars.

well, looking at the wikipedia entry for Ford for example, their costs per employee per 3 years appear to be 175.178B / 245k * 3 = $2.14 million / job.
Microsoft = 42.74B / 89,809 * 3 = $1.43M/job

but carry on

I have no idea how you are deriving that number.

Well, very clever to cherry pick one of the most overpaid, unskilled professions in America. Let's try to be more disingenuous next time.

(http://bigthreeauto.procon.org/files/big%20three/perry_wages.gif)

That number factors in every aspect of employee compensation. So a 3 year total would be more like 450k.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 10:05:58 PM
Yep...couldn't figure out how he got those numbers either.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 10:08:20 PM
uh, I showed you my work!  Total expenses ( = revenue - net income) / number of employees = cost per employee.  Which is not the same thing as compensation.

Quote
Well, very clever to cherry pick one of the most overpaid, unskilled professions in America. Let's try to be more disingenuous next time.

I'm just picking random companies that pop into my head.
Procter & Gamble = $1.55M
ok, Walmart is only $558k
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 10:13:30 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/debt_gdp.png)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 06, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
You're just unbelievable.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 06, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
I don't know anything about the auto mfgs but my company sent a few servicemen and linemen to work on that ice storm.  They get such benefits like double time, $54 per meal (if they don't spend it all, they can just pocket it), and man, after finding out some of their yearly incomes, I thought about switching professions.  Some higher end union labor employees can make $150,000/yr
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 06, 2009, 10:18:50 PM
Come on man, it's apples and oranges here ... You're talking about companies that have to pay for R&D, marketing, lawyers, and countless other hidden expenses from governmental regulations that these "make up" jobs don't even have to incur.

I was also being generous with crediting this plan for "saving" or creating 3 million jobs .. since it's not a number that will be 100% certifiable anyways ... nor do we truly know the final cost of this as gross  government overruns are the standard course for all of this kind of stuff. This plan could end up 20-30 percent more than they are currently stating today.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 06, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks to infrastructure improvement, businesses are going to have to eat a lot of money moving underground cables, piping, etc. to any new right-of-ways.  That or pass the costs onto consumers, whatever businesses can get away with.

Unless that is Obama's plan: to stimulate the economy by creating new contractor firms to be able to do all this stuff
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 10:26:06 PM
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Come on man, it's apples and oranges here ... You're talking about companies that have to pay for R&D, marketing, lawyers, and countless other hidden expenses from governmental regulations that these "make up" jobs don't even have to incur.

why don't they have to incur them?  as far as I can see, there's no reason a job shouldn't have the same expenses associated with it whether it's being done in the private or public sector.  obviously, things like marketing carry a somewhat different meaning, but they're still there in some sense.

anyway, my point was just that dividing numbers by other numbers isn't necessarily going to yield meaningful results.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2009, 10:59:49 PM
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You're talking about companies that have to pay for R&D, marketing, lawyers, and countless other hidden expenses

Which should account for more than half that cost. I'm pretty sure he was just trying to prove a comparable average. It's definately eye opening considering the average.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 11:22:56 PM
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I'm pretty sure he was just trying to prove a comparable average.

mostly I was just trying to "prove" that costs / # jobs = misleading
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:32:16 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 06, 2009, 09:43:31 PM
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Only the American government could figure out how to make each job saved/created cost 250,000 dollars.

well, looking at the wikipedia entry for Ford for example, their costs per employee per 3 years appear to be 175.178B / 245k * 3 = $2.14 million / job.
Microsoft = 42.74B / 89,809 * 3 = $1.43M/job

but carry on

But if ford fails the american people dont foot the bill...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
mmkay
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 01:38:44 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 06, 2009, 09:05:50 PM
bububut COPS!

and EDUCATIONATORS!

Thank gawd for them especially. They were the only sector (besides healthcare) to add jobs. At that rate we'll be out of this thing in no time - like 30 years maybe. Hell, why don't we all become teachers? Y'all down? I hear the pensions are great (if you plan on retiring in the next 3 months before they all implode).

Yes We Can!

Lordy lordy, butthurt past the point of coherence.  Not that he had terribly far to go.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Before you accuse everyone else of being a crybaby for pointing at you and laughing, sd, understand that's as subtle and effective a reversal as Synbios executing a judo throw.
[close]
Title: Re: You weren't around to see what happened to FoC, were you?
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 01:50:47 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 06, 2009, 06:39:39 PM
Every private job has a salary paid for by money taken away from customers.

But only because the customer can afford it. And never through force or threats (like taxes).


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If Republicans can advocate letting the rich keep more of their money as a way of creating wealth when pretty much most evidence shows that they just sock it away somewhere, then by gawd I can advocate taking that money and using it to employ people instead.

What you are saying is that it is okay to take money from the people who create it and give it to people need it. Redistribution of wealth here we come.


Um actually you were talking about giving it to people who provide services to society and PROTECT FREEDOMMMMM overseas.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2009, 01:51:19 AM
To be fair, as someone with several belts in Judo, I don't think that's even possible.
Title: Shhhhhh! That's the point! Stop giving away my punchlines!
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 02:00:17 AM
You know, I thought there was an understanding.  In light of the crash, nobody would make blanket statements about the superiority and efficiency of private markets.

No way that stuff can pass the laugh test any more, if it ever did.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 02:17:09 AM
so did the $15k/home subsidy get in?  and who's responsible?  and what forms of torture is he likely to be especially sensitive to?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 07, 2009, 02:31:31 AM
They need 60.  With Franken and Ted Kennedy out, they have 57, assuming all the dems go for it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 02:57:36 AM
If this fails I will flip more than the time the first bailout bill failed.
Title: The Mossad is no joke, son.
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 03:58:34 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 02:17:09 AM
so did the $15k/home subsidy get in?  and who's responsible?  and what forms of torture is he likely to be especially sensitive to?

Probably; industry lobbies via the GOP and blue dogs; under the fingernails is a really sensitive spot.

When did they stop making Senators actually filibuster when they block cloture?  Used to be considered a somewhat extraordinary tactic but now it's just a given that something needs 60 votes to pass the Senate.

Oh, and have any of the centrist group explained the actual logic behind the cuts they're demanding?  The preliminary list I saw looked dumb.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 07, 2009, 04:02:34 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 07, 2009, 03:53:47 AM
This seems as good a place to ask as any. Is Mandark actually a member of Mossad, or was that a joke?

Yep.  And I'm a member of Propaganda Due.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2009, 04:13:10 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 07, 2009, 03:53:47 AM
This seems as good a place to ask as any. Is Mandark actually a member of Mossad, or was that a joke?

Actually he's a janitor at Oral Roberts
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 07, 2009, 04:17:09 AM
Man, I can't imagine the torment Oral Roberts went through in elementary and high school due to his name.   I guess he's kinda the one person with which you could have Oral sex without using your mouth.
Title: Oral Roberts vs. Ball State
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 04:18:51 AM
I'm actually director of the Bohemian Grove.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 04:57:11 AM
i'm really, really, really, really unhappy about this situation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 05:01:58 AM
Nelson/Collins memo on stimulus cuts.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/stimulus-package/latest-cuts-to-the-stim-package-head-start-child-nutrition-food-stamps-public-transit/

Total Reductions: $80 billion

Eliminations:

Head Start, Education for the Disadvantaged, School improvement, Child Nutrition, Firefighters, Transportation Security Administration, Coast Guard, Prisons, COPS Hiring, Violence Against Women, NASA, NSF, Western Area Power Administration, CDC, Food Stamps

*****************************

Reductions:

Public Transit $3.4 billion, School Construction $60 billion

*****************************

Increases:

Defense operations and procurement, STAG Grants, Brownfields, Additional transportation funding






What the FUCK, guys?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 06:06:46 AM
i'm sort of agnostic about the whole notion of stimulus.  Keynesian economics never made much sense to me.  my main concern is that if they're going to be spending a ton of money, they spend it on things that are actually worthwhile, not on further propping up excessive house/car/highway construction, financial elites, corporate elites, etc. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 08:30:50 AM
Rachel lays down the ether on the Retardicans. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#29062335)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 07, 2009, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

Perhaps you don't understand this - but it's not "some" people, it's a lot of people.  And it's mostly lower middle class and impoverished folks, whom if their numbers continue to rise, will be unable to line the pockets of the upper middle class and wealthy.

So - duh! - it is in our best interests to get these folks jobs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 10:48:27 AM
Who's butthurt? Not me.

This thing was always a done deal. I'm actually kinda pumped because it virtually ensures Obama's tenure will only be one term.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2009, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

Perhaps you don't understand this - but it's not "some" people, it's a lot of people.  And it's mostly lower middle class and impoverished folks, whom if their numbers continue to rise, will be unable to line the pockets of the upper middle class and wealthy.

So - duh! - it is in our best interests to get these folks jobs.

Class warfare go!!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:07:52 AM
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Fannie Mae, the mortgage-finance company under U.S. government control, will loosen rules for homeowners seeking to lower their loan payments by refinancing.

Fannie Mae will drop some credit-score requirements, reduce income-documentation standards and waive the need for appraisals in some cases, according to a notice yesterday to lenders posted on the Washington-based company’s Web site. The changes apply to loans that the company owns or guarantees.

The company, which accounts for more than 40 percent of the $12 trillion in U.S. residential mortgage debt, is seeking to break a “logjam” in refinancing and allow more homeowners to take advantage of near-record low interest rates, according to Brian Faith, a Fannie Mae spokesman. The increased flexibility for consumers isn’t large enough to significantly harm mortgage- bond investors and mortgage insurers, analysts said.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTu9HA5cZgQ4&refer=home (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTu9HA5cZgQ4&refer=home)

What could go wrong?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 11:17:47 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 10:48:27 AM
Who's butthurt? Not me.

This thing was always a done deal. I'm actually kinda pumped because it virtually ensures Obama's tenure will only be one term.

(http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/uploads/image/sarah_palin_hockey.jpg)

Not so fast, my friend!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:20:25 AM
DIE!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 11:36:27 AM
If she's your nominee, you're gonna get your asses whupped again 2008 style, at least in the Presidential.  And you know this.  Also, if the economy rebounds even slightly (and since history and logic dictates it will to some extent) it's gonna be tough for you guys.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 11:48:23 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 11:36:27 AM
If she's your nominee, you're gonna get your asses whupped again 2008 style, at least in the Presidential.  And you know this.  Also, if the economy rebounds even slightly (and since history and logic dictates it will to some extent) it's gonna be tough for you guys.
Pretty much. The public rewards (and punishes) their government based on the economy regardless if they deserve it or not, and  if it improves at all then Obama has a 1996 style easy re-election waiting for him.

I honestly can't see how sd sees Obama as some sort of obvious one termer, the only way that is possible is if the economy continues to be in shambles for a whole fucking four more years, which is near impossible.

The fact the economy began to fall apart a year before he got elected and not in the middle of his first time was a miracle for him politically.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 07, 2009, 11:54:59 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2009, 10:42:28 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 10:26:31 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 07, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
Has nobody told the Republicans that tax cuts won't stimulate the economy if none of us have jobs to pay taxes with?

So we shouldn't cut taxes because some people dont work and they need the money the most?

So instead of rewarding the people with jobs wish should punish people who work and reward those who do not. Yeah that makes sense.

Perhaps you don't understand this - but it's not "some" people, it's a lot of people.  And it's mostly lower middle class and impoverished folks, whom if their numbers continue to rise, will be unable to line the pockets of the upper middle class and wealthy.

So - duh! - it is in our best interests to get these folks jobs.

Class warfare go!!!

(http://i43.tinypic.com/jgtklj.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:59:12 AM
I honestly think Palin will have a hard time getting past New Hampshire.

And what gives both of you any confidence the economy will be "good" by 2012?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:59:12 AM
I honestly think Palin will have a hard time getting past New Hampshire.

And what gives both of you any confidence the economy will be "good" by 2012?
The fact the economy doesn't tend to fall apart for over 4 years straight?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 12:11:15 PM
That's not a very good argument when the comparisons are to 1929 and 1873.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 12:11:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:59:12 AM
I honestly think Palin will have a hard time getting past New Hampshire.

And what gives both of you any confidence the economy will be "good" by 2012?

Huckabee won Iowa, lots of fundie dingbats out there.  She'll cake walk to an easy South Carolina win, that's 2 out of the first 4.  You guys are in a pretty terrible position- you have no really credible party leaders/candidates, and your ideas suck.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2009, 12:25:44 PM
peggy noonan's wsj meltdown is even etter than sd's!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123388255500354969.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 12:26:37 PM
Well polling shows that Dems and Independents are siding with the Dems on this 'debacle' and that 80% of Americans expect the bailout to take over a year to show results. So when is this blowback going to happen?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 12:26:37 PM
Well polling shows that Dems and Independents are siding with the Dems on this 'debacle' and that 80% of Americans expect the bailout to take over a year to show results. So when is this blowback going to happen?

After Ronald Reagan rides in on a unicorn and farts rainbows of gold at the Democrats.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2009, 12:31:32 PM
there are many stages to grief, friends, and libertardians still see breath in the corpse of laissez-faire economics. we call this stage "denial". we're getting to "anger" pretty quick, though, so hey: progress!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 12:31:39 PM
Wow sd, only two weeks into his first term and your already convinced he's a one termer.  You're distinguished mentally-challenged.

You do know that public support is fairly high for this, right?  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?




:rofl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 12:38:07 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?

Dur dur dur. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1996)

Clinton 49.2% 379 evs
Dole 40.7% 159 evs
Perot 8.4% 0 evs

I think you're thinking of maybe 92.  Either that or you're an idiot.  Or both.  Probably both.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:31:44 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:26:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Palin wont be the nominee

Probably not, but you guys don't have anyone credible to BE the nominee.  Plus the states that a Dem has won over the past 5 general elections add up to 240something electoral votes, gonna be tough for you wankers to do anything about it.

I really think there is gonna be something akin to a mini 1994 during the next cycle. Especially after this whole stimulus bill debacle.
Yeah and 1994 didn't stop Clinton from being re-elected now did it?

Is Ross Perot coming back?



You are a fucking idiot.

Clinton - 49.24%
Dole - 40.71%
Perot - 8.40%

Give Dole 100% of the Perot voters (which in reality would not have happened, a lot would have not vote and a decent chunk based on polling would vote Clinton) and CLINTON STILL WINS.

Idiot.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on February 07, 2009, 12:40:53 PM
lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 12:41:31 PM
Even if it was 1992, the point is debatable
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 12:42:56 PM
There is no logic in such debate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2009, 12:43:42 PM
beardo decimated

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 07, 2009, 12:43:42 PM
beardo decimated

And you KNOW you're talking out of your ass if it's me and fucking CHEEBS doing the decimating.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
We won't be seeing him for a page or two
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 12:47:02 PM
And he can't play the "I was talking about 1992!" card either because he brought it up in the context of 1994's impact on Clinton's re-election, he is just stupid.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2009, 12:48:21 PM
tears trace the rhomboid jawline of ayn rand's decrepit spectre :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2009, 12:51:42 PM
58/42 spending/tax cuts? WTF

eliminated food stamps? wat

Obama better veto this bs
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
He won't, that would certainly be a death sentence for his term.  He's passing anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 01:03:32 PM
it doesn't look so bad except for the house and car subsidies, which make me fucking livid.  talk about "expecting relief from tired old theories".  is there any chance that this stuff will at least be dialed back to the House version, if not eliminated?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
What's the longest period of time for single party control since WWII?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
What's the longest period of time for single party control since WWII?
Didnt Democrats control everything under LBJ?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because education and its growth is more important and seemingly more effective to me than pipe-dream business tax cuts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

How about you acknowledge your last handful of crackpot claims before opening up some new ones? Why do you post here?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because education and its growth is more important and seemingly more effective to me than pipe-dream business tax cuts.

And if we dont pile more money into it we will all the sudden be uneducated? It's not like it's a do or die situation. Public schools and colleges aren't going to close down all of the sudden if they don't receive million in federal money.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2009, 01:21:02 PM
sounds like you need to read up on the Detroit public school system situation

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 07, 2009, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:16:09 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because education and its growth is more important and seemingly more effective to me than pipe-dream business tax cuts.

And if we dont pile more money into it we will all the sudden be uneducated? It's not like it's a do or die situation. Public schools and colleges aren't going to close down all of the sudden if they don't receive million in federal money.
Nice job ignoring all the posts that proved you wrong.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 07, 2009, 01:22:26 PM
I bet he can do that 500 thousand times this month.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 01:23:58 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 07, 2009, 01:07:31 PM
I'm not sure, rec.

What makes me angry is the education cutbacks.

Why?

Because if we had more money for education, perhaps stupid Republicans could do math and remember history.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:30:10 PM
By your same argument we should put more money into national defense. After all more money = more national security. Actually we should just give everyone in the country $1,000,000 dollars. I bet that would stimulate the economy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2009, 01:31:55 PM
:hurr
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:34:59 PM
My plan is brilliant. Think about it. If everyone in the country had a million dollars then we could all afford to get a lot of things. And nothing stimulates the economy more than buying lots of things. It's brilliant and foolproof and has the exact same effect of the proposed stimulus bill. The difference is I just propose we eliminate the middle man (crappy government burocrats) and give the money straight to the people. Of course we will have to find a way to give everyone the fair amount. I propose a need-base system where people who need the money get the most.

OMG I should be an economist for Obama.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 01:35:42 PM
 :hurr
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:36:45 PM
Dont hate just because I thought of it first.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 07, 2009, 01:36:53 PM
:hurr
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 07, 2009, 01:38:28 PM
I don't think this stimulus plan will really have a negative effect on Obama. He has tried his best and he has come off good in the media while doing it.

The real turds are the House of Reps. They are the ones who overshot their load with the initial plan and slowly backpeddled into this odd, monsterous compromise bill that no one seems happy with. They are already riding historic lows in approval rating and they are the next up for re-election in 2010. Could be a blood letting.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:39:11 PM
 :hurr
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 07, 2009, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: Crushed on February 07, 2009, 01:36:53 PM
:hurr

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/ToxicAdam/fuglylowrider.gif)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on February 07, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 01:45:02 PM
Oh wow.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 07, 2009, 01:55:50 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 07, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
this thread just took a turn for the awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 02:09:57 PM
TA with the FRAWRESS VICTOLY
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
Quote
Schumer signaled his interest in removing one obstacle — a Senate amendment from Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., that would double a credit for home purchases to a maximum of $15,000 and allow all home buyers, not just first-time purchasers, to take advantage of it.

The $19 billion amendment, which was adopted Feb. 4 by voice vote in the Senate, is “way excessive for what is needed,” Schumer said, because it would allow people to benefit from trading in one home for another.

well, that's something.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 02:22:22 PM
lol, this is cute: http://www.newssun.com/opinion/col-0208-Stimulus

Quote
Realtors across the country have been advocating for a comprehensive stimulus package to reduce housing inventory, make mortgages more affordable and available, and help deserving families refinance or modify their loans so they can keep their home.

The 650-plus members of the Heartland Association of Realtors and the Lake Placid Board of Realtors are committed to these goals and to getting something done immediately. There can be no doubt that stabilizing home prices and restoring confidence in the housing market are critical to the recovery of the economy here in Highlands County.

It is vitally important for President Barack Obama and Congress to complete a bipartisan stimulus package focused on housing. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 is a good start but much more needs to be done. It is imperative that the federal government act immediately encourage homebuyers to re-enter the market and to stop families from losing their homes to foreclosure.

"It is vitally important for President Barack Obama and Congress to complete a bipartisan stimulus package focused on giving us money"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 07, 2009, 02:27:57 PM
Yes, clearly the only way to avoid another housing collapse is to make homes even easy to get.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 07, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
,
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 07, 2009, 02:38:55 PM
Article: Realtors want more money from the stimulus.

EB1: OMG THE AUDACITY!  WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE OMG
EB2: <Generic nonchalant repartee>
EB3: <Sarcastic rejoinder goes here>
EB4: <2003-era meme regarding sedition>
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2009, 02:47:35 PM
what u sayin
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
Only took...what?...19 days for politics to enter into Obama's DoJ.

Hopenchange!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 07, 2009, 01:38:28 PM
I don't think this stimulus plan will really have a negative effect on Obama. He has tried his best and he has come off good in the media while doing it.

The real turds are the House of Reps. They are the ones who overshot their load with the initial plan and slowly backpeddled into this odd, monsterous compromise bill that no one seems happy with. They are already riding historic lows in approval rating and they are the next up for re-election in 2010. Could be a blood letting.

Nah, the House Reps had a pretty good bill that was in line with what Obama was proposing.  Remember that the original version of the Senate bill was more expensive than the House one (because it included an AMT patch).

The problem* is that the people forcing and negotiating the compromise in the Senate seem to be doing it just for the sake of doing it.  There's really no apparent logic or empirical basis for what they're targeting.  It's a total hodgepodge.

The approval rating of the House overall means very little.  It was rock bottom last cycle when the Dems were in control and they won more seats.  People always like their local official way more than the institution as a whole.



*The actual problem is that a few dozen Republican Senators and pretty much all the GOP House Reps are married to an ideology that's mutually exclusive with reality.  But that seems like such a fact of nature at this point it's hard to blame them.  They're too dumb to be moral agents at this point.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 07:12:09 PM
Quote
  People always like their local official way more than the institution as a whole.

I always thought this was logically inconsistent, but I guess it can actually make sense in a game theory sort of way.  if everyone's pulling for the interests of their own constituents and screwing the common interest, then each district's representative will be individually beneficial to them, but the institution will be detrimental.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 07:30:19 PM
Even though that seems to assume a rational, informed public (haw haw haw) it sounds about right.

Plus a deadlocked Congress won't please anyone, because it's not producing liberal or conservative legislation.  Even if a vast majority of people disapprove of Congress, that won't produce a swing unless they disapprove for the same reasons.

And people are just more apt to think well of individuals than of big organizations.  Almost everyone rates their own kids' school as better than the state of the American education system.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 07:51:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]qc1FrY-m3xw[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc1FrY-m3xw

Senator David Vitter (R-Whorehouses of Louisiana and DC) gets absolutely raped by Dick Durbin.  These guys are so inept I wonder how they tie their shoes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 08:06:48 PM
Oh gawd.

It does give me an excuse to post this, though:

Quote from: Professor Prole
i wanna cut a dance mix based on mccain campaign samples and smear memes

AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
GONNA MAKE YOU DANCE ALL NIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!

rapid high hats, chorus pedal

SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!
SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!

(cool hand luke sample: "what we have here is a failure to communicate")

boom-pish-boom-pish-boom-pish
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 07, 2009, 08:32:18 PM
i liked the Presidential montage ransom video in Die Hard 4.  it was about the only bit I liked, did they steal it from somewhere?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 07, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
I really want to see Vitter have to answer in detail about his diaper fetish allegations in a Republican primary in Louisana. It just boggles the mind that not only would he be so stupid as to go whoring in the superconnected D.C., but that he'd also push his fetishes on the whores to boot.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 10:08:30 PM
Hey guys, guess who just weighed in the Senate compromise? (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/07/stimulus.paul/index.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/ronpaulblimp.jpg)

Aw yeah.  Here's the money quote: 

Quote from: Ron Paul
Paul said that he agrees that the economy needs to be stimulated but that he doesn't think the federal government should be doing it.

"Sure, we want more spending," Paul said. "We need a lot more spending in the economy, but it has to be done by market forces, by individuals, by businesses making proper decisions."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 07, 2009, 10:13:17 PM
Ron Paul kinda reminds me of the Heaven's Gate cult leader.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
He reminds me of the Raelians.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 07, 2009, 10:17:12 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 07, 2009, 10:13:55 PM
He reminds me of the Raelians.

Raelians piss me off because by using that name they kinda piss all over The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, which is otherwise awesome.

This is Rael:

(http://mitkadem.homestead.com/files/genesis_peter_gabriel.jpg)

This is NOT Rael:

(http://www.orbit.zkm.de/files/orbit/Ufo-Cult_RaelBrigitte03.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 10:26:14 PM
Hey guys, I know, why don't we just do a little minor course correction on this here recession?  No reason to spend OMIGOD A TRILLYUN DOLLARS HYUCK HYUCK AMIRITE?

(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/14898/jobsrecessions.jpg)

Oh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 07, 2009, 10:30:58 PM
Scare monger! *spends entire political career sowing fear and hatred*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 10:34:53 PM
The Shrill One weighs in on the Senate compromise. (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/what-the-centrists-have-wrought/)

It's pretty short and does a pretty good job of outlining why this isn't gonna work too well. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 07, 2009, 11:05:31 PM
Meh, most of the left must realize that what has been cut out can be added in at a later date. It's not like this year won't have a bonanza of bad news to present new opportunities to slip that stuff in.

In the end, we are only talking about a 10 percent cut here.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on February 07, 2009, 11:07:30 PM
Isn't most of this stuff just going to be put into appropriations throughout the year?

also has Betray Us had his whine fest in public yet
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 11:09:32 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 07, 2009, 11:05:31 PM
Meh, most of the left must realize that what has been cut out can be added in at a later date. It's not like this year won't have a bonanza of bad news to present new opportunities to slip that stuff in.

In the end, we are only talking about a 10 percent cut here.

What's galling is that they cut the most ACTUALLY STIMULATIVE stuff (food stamps, unemployment benefits, aid to states, infrastructure) to make way for a stupid AMT cut that will disproportionately benefit the wealthiest.  And the guy who proposed the AMT cut (Grassley) will almost certainly not vote for the thing in the end.

Obama should have grown some balls and made them filibuster.  Lose a thousand on the dow in one day and see if these idiots are ready to pull their fucking heads out of the sand or not.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:09:50 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/jobsrecessions.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 07, 2009, 11:14:25 PM
Typical short sighted Republican thinking.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2009, 11:17:40 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:09:50 PM
Respectfully, I believe everyone here completely missed it. Y'all have just seen the future of the Republican Party. She fucking nailed it.

It was important for the REPs to bring to light the lack of experience of Obama - PARTICULARLY because of how the DEMs (and the entire MSM) portrayed her lack of experience. Do y'all seriously think Obama's experience in any way compares to her's? If so, please please try to articulate it with any semblence of substance. His voting record is "present" and his "change driven" legislation leadership doesn't exit. The comment about his two memoirs with no actual bills or laws was utterly damning.

Palin made an incredible appeal to middle America. She did it with her small town commentary, about Obama saying one thing to Scranton and another to San Francisco. She did it by speaking to her husband's union membership and her motherhood. Seriously, if not Sarah Palin, who exactly could have achieved this for the REPs at this point?

Let's understand, they were floundering. They had no brand (deservedly). Somehow, with the selection of Palin, McCain has completely turned this election around.

Frankly, y'all couldn't be more wrong in your assessment.

Obama may still win. Hell, I have $200 on it with my cross burning brother. But, this was...transformative.

I am in love.

Touché.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2009, 11:20:28 PM
(http://mooregroup.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/ether.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 07, 2009, 11:09:50 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/jobsrecessions.jpg)

Why isn't the 70's and 80's recession included in this chart? God, I hate liberals.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2009, 01:19:09 AM
Probably because the recoveries before 1990 were a lot faster than the ones after, at least in terms of employment.

Remember the term "jobless recovery" became popular to describe what happened in the early 90's.  The same thing happened again in the early 00's.  Even as GDP growth went back to positive, there was a ton of slack in the labor market.

I've seen economists float the idea several times over the last 4-5 years that we may have moved into a different era in terms of what to expect from recessions.  Including the pre-1990 cycles would make this one look even more dire than that chart does.  I think I saw one on a blog a couple days ago...




edit:  Found it. (http://angrybear.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_angrybear_archive.html)


(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9599/clipboard02xu8.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 08, 2009, 01:31:26 AM
If Obama can just make it look like the illegals work is tied to manufacturing, like Bush did with fast food workers, then all should look fine on paper.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 02:45:16 AM
Ahh thanks for that Mandark. Interesting that each recovery has gotten progressively worse.

I found a link that lists all the job losses/gains for each month (going back to the depression era). It shows the percentage lost/gained versus the total jobs of that time. Gives you a bit of insight into the past and how bad things were at some points in time, since raw numbers can be deceiving when comparing eras.

A positive is actually a negative in this chart: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pRjgr4UnWRpA4b2Hh0Dq4Rw




Also, WTF about this?:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0209/Reporter_restrained_after_Panetta_hearing.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2009, 02:48:37 AM
[youtube=560,345]xHw773EO314[/youtube]

Rachel being damn sexy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 02:51:44 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 02:45:16 AM

Also, WTF about this?:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0209/Reporter_restrained_after_Panetta_hearing.html


those comments are insanely hilarious "WELCOME TO THE CHICAGO SOCIALIST LABOR UNION PEOPLE'S ARMY!!! GOODBYE FREEDOMS AND HELLO TERROR ATTACKS!!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 02:55:34 AM
How do you people watch that shit? Is it necessary to have Rachel in a shadow box making silly faces while people talk? It's like the news equivalent of a laugh track for sitcoms.


Also, why does Rachel wear makeup? It's distracting.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 03:04:39 AM
i'm glad she could spell out just how stupid most republicans are on this issue for the folks at home, though!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 03:16:29 AM
I'm sure the 2 million people out of 300 million Americans were educated.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

it's fine to worry about endgame inflation, but we have instruments for that. we're not too bad at managing inflation. we're clueless about deflation, and that's what we're risking without artificially GETTING POOR AND MIDDLE-CLASS FOLKS JOBS AND INCENTIVE TO SPEND.

i don't think either stimulus package is perfect -- or even particularly good -- but at LEAST they acknowledge that infrastructure spending is where we need to start. me, i want real public works and a commitment to infrastructure spending of the sort that would've been used to finance a world war back in the day. we can worry about inflation when the world comes a callin' -- and it will -- but at least that's something we have the tools for. tax cuts? no stimulus? that's just plain distinguished mentally-challenged.

as for your childish ideological disputes about the "nanny state"? the free market is a FAILURE. let it go. move onto acceptance. read real philosophies about society and sociology, not self-aggrandizing works of bad fiction. the reason we got where we are today is that we tried to pretend that economics were an objective science -- thanks, retardo austrians -- and not a study in macropsychology. people shit up every major endeavor, and a level of reliable behavior must be managed. you can be victimized by a democratic government that you have the option to directly participate in, or you can be victimized by a mercurial financial infrastructure that would gladly fleece you in the name of economic aristocracy. me, i'll take the lesser evil, because i'm an adult and recognize that most choices i make are about choosing lesser evils. but hey: go on, reject your responsibility in this, and hope for an economic unicorn!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 03:45:31 AM
i should add that if you're the undiscussed alternative to the above -- the "let rome burn" economic nihilist -- then, well, i am at least reassured that you'll never be allowed to manage money
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2009, 08:38:41 AM
I want Ayn Rand to ride in on a Golden Unicorn and queef out some more objectivist nonsense out of her hoo hah.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 08, 2009, 09:09:53 AM
Eh, whatever.

The Republicans are just signing their own death sentence with this stupidity.  2008 should have been a wake up call but the few that remain behind just aren't getting it.  Well, a few might but for the most part, the GOP is going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  People are going to see that, see their now worthless 401k (good bye retirement, hello working until you die), and see their dwindling savings, and then see the distinguished mentally-challenged alternatives the Republicans and fence sitting centrists are proposing.

I'm not sure why the GOP assumes that if this fails, the Democrats will pay.  If anything, it will cause more GOP hemorrhaging in the ranks until it is a solid supermajority.  They're shooting themselves in the foot with this bullshit.  Their best plan is to work together and create the image of being past bipartisan sentiments, which most people are sick and tired of.  If not, well, they'll be leaving from Congress en masse in 2010.  Dumbasses.

I don't think the stimulus is a miracle package but it is a shot in the arm to do a lot of much needed infrastructure building that has been crumbling or remained stagnant since Reagan walked into office. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 11:10:29 AM
Quote
no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

meeeeee!  i really don't see why infrastructure spending should be favored over tax cuts if by "tax cuts" we mean stuff like EITC and "tax rebate" demogrants.  infrastructure (and education etc.) spending is fine if it's something actually worthwhile in itself, but if we're just spending money to give people money, better just give them money rather than wasting their time at some make-work job (which I'm not saying the stimulus programs are, but under the logic of some of the "it doesn't matter what we buy as long as we buy stuff" commentators I've seen they could just as well be).

you folks are trying to make the dispute over Keynesian economics out to be fake, like the global warming "controversy", but as far as I can tell it's pretty different.  expert opinion appears genuinely split, empirical evidence is inconclusive, theoretical justifications are (on the surface) dubious.

Quote
i should add that if you're the undiscussed alternative to the above -- the "let rome burn" economic nihilist -- then, well, i am at least reassured that you'll never be allowed to manage money

i think people most vulnerable to risk from economic collapse and least equipped to manage it, i.e. the working class, should be protected from the effects.  but, instead of trying to help them indirectly by propping up unsustainably bloated parts of the economy (auto, real estate, finance) on the front end, inviting waste and corruption, couldn't we let those sectors adjust, and relieve people caught in the crossfire as it were directly (through expanded unemployment, jobs programs directed at worthwhile goals, education and training etc.) instead?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 08, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
My question about california remains unanswered. If governemnt pending stimulates the economy then why is the great liberal motherland, california, going bankrupt in a matter of weeks?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 11:39:04 AM
Yeah...that post was way before she had to give an interview. Had no idea she was such an idiot - at least thought she could sound competant. Not one of my better posts, but I will fully admit that for that particular night she blew me away. I basically abandoned her shortly after the Gibson debacle. Such a disappointment.  :-\

If she's the nominee in '12, then I'll vote 3rd party again like I did this year.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 08, 2009, 02:48:37 AM
[youtube=560,345]xHw773EO314[/youtube]

Rachel being damn sexy

Add her to the list of people who will be completely fucking owned in two years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 11:54:04 AM
For some reason the $780B number didn't include a couple ammendments that already passed in seperate votes. So, the real total is $827B.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2009, 11:58:47 AM
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My first cut says that the changes to the Senate bill will ensure that we have at least 600,000 fewer Americans employed over the next two years.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/what-the-centrists-have-wrought/

Palin Ginrich 2012 confirmed
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 12:02:04 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 11:10:29 AM

i think people most vulnerable to risk from economic collapse and least equipped to manage it, i.e. the working class, should be protected from the effects.  but, instead of trying to help them indirectly by propping up unsustainably bloated parts of the economy (auto, real estate, finance) on the front end, inviting waste and corruption, couldn't we let those sectors adjust, and relieve people caught in the crossfire as it were directly (through expanded unemployment, jobs programs directed at worthwhile goals, education and training etc.) instead?

sounds like a keynesian stimulus to me!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 08, 2009, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 11:43:34 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 08, 2009, 02:48:37 AM
[youtube=560,345]xHw773EO314[/youtube]

Rachel being damn sexy

Add her to the list of people who will be completely fucking owned in two years.
Ahhh the big GOP comeback of 2010 eh? Near impossible. GOP is defending a lot more seats and they have multiple retirements, in purple states no less.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 12:11:13 PM
Besides the partisan sniping, I like Krugman. He's probably right here that there is too much focus on taxes. But, that was completely Obama's fault when he offered them in a bipartisan plea at the outset.

Krugman explains the problem in easy terms - there's a ~$2 trillion demand gap over the next two years. But, he ignores the fact that the demand gap is fake (as much of the growth the last few years). Its based on massive amounts of debt that is now coming due. So, he wants the government to step up to the plate to fill that fake gap with more debt. Insanity...which is why Congress did it.


Cheebs: I have no illusions over a GOP comeback in '10. The numbers are just too insurmountable in one cycle. Doesn't mean that Maddow won't look like a fool in two years though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 08, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
My question about california remains unanswered. If governemnt pending stimulates the economy then why is the great liberal motherland, california, going bankrupt in a matter of weeks?

because your question is stupid and doesn't acknowledge CONTEXT. california doesn't manage its own currency, for starters; it's not an independent nation. it doesn't have a fed equivalent. it can't hedge its future by printing debt specific to the state of california, grinning madly at the rest of the united states, and hoping that it can manage potential inflation after the fact by shuffling the numbers around.

and nobody is arguing that government shouldn't be fiscally prudent when times are good -- THAT'S KEYNESIANISM. california SHOULD have saved during the salad days so it could spend when shit hit the fan. but it had recalibrated its spending up to match its debt-inflated income when times seemed good -- thanks schwarzenegger, you're a fine less-tax-and-lotta-spend republican in the mold of reagan and junior -- and was slammed when the nationwide (and global) financial industries discovered they were built on a foundation of toxic securities manure. after all, california financed a lot of its payroll off investments and loans. ouch! hey, who likes privatization, again?

your shitwit goal is to scream LOL SPENDING IS BAD TOLD YA and that's not even the argument. even your great white bugbear, john maynard keynes, thought that governments should be restrained in their spending practices during a boom, and use that as a time to eradicate deficits and shore up for the next bust. hey, we blew a trillion plus that might just save our own asses right now because dick cheney and the rest of you nasally paranoiacs fouled your panties over some angry brownskins half a world away. yes, califorrnia was irresponsible, but california also isn't a nation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 08, 2009, 12:25:25 PM
California also has an actor governor.  Just sayin'.

And I can't see how Maddow could be owned, considering she's dead motherfucking on.  Seriously, you're BLIND if you watch that clip, see McCain's segment, and think "Yeah!  McCain is dead-on!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 12:11:13 PM
Besides the partisan sniping, I like Krugman. He's probably right here that there is too much focus on taxes. But, that was completely Obama's fault when he offered them in a bipartisan plea at the outset.

Krugman explains the problem in easy terms - there's a ~$2 trillion demand gap over the next two years. But, he ignores the fact that the demand gap is fake (as much of the growth the last few years). Its based on massive amounts of debt that is now coming due. So, he wants the government to step up to the plate to fill that fake gap with more debt. Insanity...which is why Congress did it.


Cheebs: I have no illusions over a GOP comeback in '10. The numbers are just too insurmountable in one cycle. Doesn't mean that Maddow won't look like a fool in two years though.

the presence (or lack thereof) of a demand gap is irrelevant to the purpose of the stimulus. do you think krugman isn't aware of this? this is a two pronged problem, and congress can only fix one: rising unemployment. the massive seabed of toxic debt has to be handled through the fed and the executive office, first. worst of all, they hafta be largely done in parallel -- the stimulus to get americans to spend, and the securities buy-up to make credit move.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 12:43:49 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 08, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

I believe the bill had both endeavors and one was favored over the other. I understand your vitriol for the Republicans since they are such a visible target, but listening to Meet the Press today, it sounds like the centrists are equally to blame. Blue Dogs wanted to make sure that the stimulus was full of short term spending and omitted many things that could perpetuate our debt even further into the future.

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i don't think either stimulus package is perfect -- or even particularly good -- but at LEAST they acknowledge that infrastructure spending is where we need to start. me, i want real public works and a commitment to infrastructure spending of the sort that would've been used to finance a world war back in the day.

I definitely agree here. I thought it was embarrassing that a bill that was almost 1 trillion dollars only had 30 billion set aside for roads/bridges/etc.   

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as for your childish ideological disputes about the "nanny state"? the free market is a FAILURE. let it go. move onto acceptance. read real philosophies about society and sociology, not self-aggrandizing works of bad fiction. the reason we got where we are today is that we tried to pretend that economics were an objective science -- thanks, retardo austrians -- and not a study in macropsychology. people shit up every major endeavor, and a level of reliable behavior must be managed. you can be victimized by a democratic government that you have the option to directly participate in, or you can be victimized by a mercurial financial infrastructure that would gladly fleece you in the name of economic aristocracy. me, i'll take the lesser evil, because i'm an adult and recognize that most choices i make are about choosing lesser evils. but hey: go on, reject your responsibility in this, and hope for an economic unicorn!

Our "free market" isn't so free. This isn't 1910 where the tax rate was virtually nil and oversight was non-existent. Our economy and lives are more regulated than they ever have been. The failure was in our elected officials who allow these bubbles to occur and do not use their powers to temper these conditions. You can speculate why that happens (ignorance, profiteering, corruption), but then to turn around and trust the same people to create this Socialistic utopia is even more insane.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 12:45:28 PM
financial deregulation happened on your boy greenspan's watch! COINKY-DINK?

and since when have i pined for a utopia? i don't especially trust the democrats to lead me into my socialist pomised land; hell, i just want to get back to "normal" unemployment levels!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 12:55:19 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 08, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
the presence (or lack thereof) of a demand gap is irrelevant to the purpose of the stimulus.

I don't understand what you mean there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 12:57:08 PM
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 08, 2009, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 12:57:08 PM
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?

Why are you being unpatriotic?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 12:55:19 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 08, 2009, 12:27:45 PM
the presence (or lack thereof) of a demand gap is irrelevant to the purpose of the stimulus.

I don't understand what you mean there.

oops, my bad, got my arguments crossed when posting on the nyt comments page. d'oh. it's not irrelevant.


specifically, krugman wants to fill that gap because the alternative -- allowing that that fake wealth to get RAPIDLY compressed out of existence -- is far more disastrous in the short term than dealing with the inflationary risk, because for all of its "fakeness" that wealth is what many businesses and lives are built upon. buying up the really bad chunk of this debt and shaking it down for what we can get through a bank of last resort is the only viable option floated thus far. letting it crash simply isn't, because the consequences are DUH rampant deflation, which we lack the instruments to properly manage and which will lead to us ALL po'bucking it up in our urban shanty towns. inflation is a shell game we know how to play. we can slowly and systematically crush that debt if its off the books of banks and in the hands of the feds; presuming, of course, that geithner isn't totally distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 08, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 12:57:08 PM
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?

Wrong

Besides if people want manufacturing jobs to stay here in the US, you're going to want more money spent for transportation infrastructure instead of more white collar work.  As far as I'm concerned at this point, preserving blue collar jobs >>>>>>> white collar jobs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 08, 2009, 06:51:17 PM
I agree but judging by the last few months of massive layoffs, white collar workers don't agree with you.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2009, 07:27:37 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 12:57:08 PM
why is transportation infrastructure better than services --- how many more roads and bridges do we need?

Strictly speaking it's not- I believe food stamps/unemployment gives you about $1.70ish for every dollar spent and infrastructure spending gives you about $1.50 for every dollar.  Compare that to tax cuts at basically a 1:1 ratio.

However, you have to take into account that you can only spend so much on food stamps/unemployment... of course, neither the House or Senate bill probably has enough, but there you go.  Also, with the infrastructure spending you have to factor in that: 

A) Due to the fact that beginning with Reagan we stopped performing regularly scheduled maintenance on roads, bridges, levees etc our infrastructure is in absolutely shameful shape.  I believe overall the corps of engineers rated it a D.  So this won't be all bridges to no where; this shit is needed.

B) Spending the money on tangible shit gives you benefits over the long term.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 07:31:10 PM
the trouble is, as i pointed out on your facebook, is that the republican chunk of the senate is from flyover country -- the TAKER states. they don't have urban centers where this stimulus will directly benefit them as much, and they've done an absolutely bang-up job of gutting the proposals that would really help renew and grow urban centers, especially when it comes to education.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2009, 07:52:34 PM
We should get rid of the Senate.  They're about as useful as the House of Lords these days anyhow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 08, 2009, 07:57:44 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 08, 2009, 07:52:34 PM
We should get rid of the Senate.  They're about as useful as the House of Lords these days anyhow.

We should also set the midwest on fire.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 08:01:21 PM
and pave it over for the world's largest monster truck rally :hyper
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 08, 2009, 08:04:43 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 08, 2009, 01:13:32 PM
inflation is a shell game we know how to play. we can slowly and systematically crush that debt if its off the books of banks and in the hands of the feds; presuming, of course, that geithner isn't totally distinguished mentally-challenged.


I think you're probably right here in that this is ultimately how they plan on reining in our debt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 08:09:25 PM
and i'll certainly allow that a very, very large level of skepticism is warranted. but we gotta TRY, and until republicans get real about that, their obstructionism is worse than even the worst democratic pork.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 08:16:50 PM
"obstructionism" that was geared towards actually ensuring the programs funded are solid investments and not patronage junk would be nice, instead we get obstructionism aimed at adding complete bullshit like the house credit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 08, 2009, 08:17:30 PM
It was the American Society of Civil Engineers that gave the roads a D.

Quote from: Zero Hero on February 08, 2009, 06:51:17 PM
I agree but judging by the last few months of massive layoffs, white collar workers don't agree with you.

Perhaps but the country did that at the expense of outsourcing those kinds of jobs to the Chinese, among others.  Transportation infrastructure is not the end all be all, but it will preserve a lot of working class jobs that should be coming back to the US anyway.  Best of all, the resources can all be had right within the country.  Limestone, steel, various bituminous mixtures, etc. can all be mined, produced, manufactured, and/or distributed here in the US.

On the other hand, neglecting that kind of industry for more office jobs will ensure that we have massive trade deficits for quite a while.  Infrastructure spending is one of the better opportunities to reverse the shrinking middle class and marginalization of the working classes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 08:18:22 PM
that's not obstructionism. obstructionism isn't asking for justification and offering viable proposals that uphold the thrust of the stimulus; obstructionism is tossing out empty alternatives that are demonstrably shallow and often completely unviable.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 08:19:52 PM
hence "\"obstructionism\""
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 08, 2009, 08:21:14 PM
nice entity escapes! my head hurts from DIRTY LIBRUL TAX BUREAUCRACY. :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2009, 09:58:23 PM
YAAAAAAAAAAARRGH.

I'm about to beat some people I went to HS with to death over the internets; one of them is being snarky about how "oh gosh it's great that we're gonna spend money we don't have to fix an economy that went into the crapper because consumers were spending money they didn't have hyuck hyuck" and then his sister chimed in with "oh don't worry, it didn't work in the New Deal haha stoopid FDR, WWII is what saved us but since Obama is hopelessly clueless about diplomacy we'll probably end up in a turrible war with some brownskins somewheres hyuck hyuck"...

Of course these people are from Texas and Georgia, but STILL.  Get their genes outta my pool!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 08, 2009, 10:33:40 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 08, 2009, 09:58:23 PM
YAAAAAAAAAAARRGH.

I'm about to beat some people I went to HS with to death over the internets; one of them is being snarky about how "oh gosh it's great that we're gonna spend money we don't have to fix an economy that went into the crapper because consumers were spending money they didn't have hyuck hyuck" and then his sister chimed in with "oh don't worry, it didn't work in the New Deal haha stoopid FDR, WWII is what saved us but since Obama is hopelessly clueless about diplomacy we'll probably end up in a turrible war with some brownskins somewheres hyuck hyuck"...

Of course these people are from Texas and Georgia, but STILL.  Get their genes outta my pool!

we really have to find out a way to convert people into synthetic fossil fuels. it can't be that hard, can it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2009, 10:44:38 PM
I had a dream the other night that somehow scientists discovered that baby Panda blood was the most fuel efficient substance known to man.  Just one syringe full diluted into your whole gas tank filled with water would run your car for a week or two... the dream descended into a hellish future of forced panda breeding and debates over whether it was more ethical to just bleed them to death or keep them on a steady drip so as to prolong their usefulness.  This is a future I want to live in, I knew.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 08, 2009, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 08, 2009, 09:58:23 PM
"oh don't worry, it didn't work in the New Deal haha stoopid FDR, WWII is what saved us

"We weren't saved by huge public works, bureaucracy, government jobs, and spending, we were saved by... exponentially bigger public works, even more bureaucracy, more government jobs, and incredible amounts of spending."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 08, 2009, 11:49:10 PM
Did Beardo ever explain that Perot comment
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 01:26:38 AM
I'm downloading 2 gigs of leaked government reports. I don't know why.

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February 8, 2009

EDITORIAL

Change you can download.
Wikileaks has released nearly a billion dollars worth of quasi-secret reports commissioned by the United States Congress.

The 6,780 reports, current as of this month, comprise over 127,000 pages of material on some of the most contentious issues in the nation, from the U.S. relationship with Israel to the financial collapse. Nearly 2,300 of the reports were updated in the last 12 months, while the oldest report goes back to 1990. The release represents the total output of the Congressional Research Service (CRS) electronically available to Congressional offices. The CRS is Congress's analytical agency and has a budget in excess of $100M per year.

Open government lawmakers such as Senators John McCain (R-Arizona) and Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vermont) have fought for years to make the reports public, with bills being introduced--and rejected--almost every year since 1998. The CRS, as a branch of Congress, is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.

CRS reports are highly regarded as non-partisan, in-depth, and timely. The reports top the list of the "10 Most-Wanted Government Documents" compiled by the Washington based Center for Democracy and Technology[1]. The Federation of American Scientists, in pushing for the reports to be made public, stated that the "CRS is Congress' Brain and it's useful for the public to be plugged into it,"[2]. While Wired magazine called their concealment "The biggest Congressional scandal of the digital age"[3

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4713076
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
Is flying Indiana to receive some rock hero worship really going to help this stimulus plan pass?

::avatar quote
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 12:46:43 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
Is flying Indiana to receive some rock hero worship really going to help this stimulus plan pass?

Nope...but its definately gonna provide for some awesome ad material in the next election.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 09, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
It's not like he hasn't tried to talk to Congress about it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 12:37:04 PM
Is flying Indiana to receive some rock hero worship really going to help this stimulus plan pass?

::avatar quote

because he's selling the stimulus on a state level, making people understand just what type of local aide the republicans want to take out of the bill?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 01:33:18 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

Sounds like a disaster.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 01:33:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
because he's selling the stimulus on a state level, making people understand just what type of local aide the republicans want to take out of the bill?

Ohhh .. I see now. Indiana just wasn't a convienent place to land the jet. Pretty clever.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

Jeff Bezos was too busy?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM
Looks like ex Ebay CEO Meg Whitman might be running for governor of California. 

Jeff Bezos was too busy?



I dunno, DJ_Tet would be the best to judge, seeing as how he has actually conversed with the man.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2009, 02:11:01 PM
Fucking hilarious. Obama is teflon when it comes to the stimulus problems, most of the blame falls on the GOP.  :lol

(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/spkmsc5sue2tgkahrvqrxq.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 09, 2009, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 12:15:13 AM
Why isn't the 70's and 80's recession included in this chart? God, I hate liberals.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/24mgc28.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
This is why Republicans aren't taken seriously:

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STEELE: You’ve got to look at what’s going to create sustainable jobs. What this administration is talking about is making work. It is creating work.

   STEPHANOPOULOS: But that’s a job.

   STEELE: No, it’s not a job. A job is something that — that a business owner creates. It’s going to be long term. What he’s creating...

   STEPHANOPOULOS: So a job doesn’t count if it’s a government job?

   (CROSSTALK)

   STEELE: Hold on. No, let me — let me — let me finish. That is a contract. It ends at a certain point, George. You know that. These road projects that we’re talking about have an end point.

   As a small-business owner, I’m looking to grow my business, expand my business. I want to reach further. I want to be international. I want to be national. It’s a whole different perspective on how you create a job versus how you create work. And I’m — either way, the bottom line is...

   STEPHANOPOULOS: I guess I don’t really understand that distinction.

   STEELE: Well, the difference — the distinction is this. If a government — if you’ve got a government contract that is a fixed period of time, it goes away. The work may go away. That’s — there’s no guarantee that that — that there’s going to be more work when you’re done in that job.

   STEPHANOPOULOS: Yes, but we’ve seen millions and millions of jobs going away in the private sector just in the last year.

   STEELE: But they come — yes, they — and they come back, though, George. That’s the point. When they go — they’ve gone away before, and they come back.

It's like magic!  They'll just come back if we cut their taxes HARD enough!  Get some new ideas, morans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 09, 2009, 02:25:07 PM
Guess what, unemployed?  Your business just was taking a long-deserved trip, don't worry, you'll be hired back after your job recovers from its sun burn.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 09, 2009, 02:36:49 PM
So he is against giving people jobs until their jobs come back?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
(http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/joblossespostwarii.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: Crushed on February 09, 2009, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 08, 2009, 12:15:13 AM
Why isn't the 70's and 80's recession included in this chart? God, I hate liberals.
*chart

Yea, I saw that. I posted a spreadsheet that showed a better indicator of job losses and how to measure them from era to era. I think SD's chart (above) is set up using that data.

Not that it makes any of the news any better. Especially when you factor in that we have much less of a manufacturing base to fall back on and historic competition globally.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 08:21:23 PM
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Just as the Senate was voting, the Congressional Budget Office released a new analysis showing the total cost of the Senate version of the stimulus bill to be $838.2 billion over 10 years, of which $292.5 billion or roughly 35 percent is in the form of tax cuts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/washington/10stimulus-web.html?_r=1&hp
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 09, 2009, 08:27:57 PM
Obama is layin' shit down right now
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 08:29:04 PM
He's framing the argument brilliantly. The pork argument is being annihilated

edit: live feed http://www.hulu.com/live/obamapressconference
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 08:32:08 PM
It was all the banks' fault. Consumer overspending had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
President HNIC laying the smack down.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 08:32:08 PM
It was all the banks' fault. Consumer overspending had nothing to do with it.

Are you even watching? He just said people who bought homes they couldn't afford were participating in "bad habits" that need to be changed
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
You need to watch that again.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on February 09, 2009, 08:39:34 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 08:32:08 PM
It was all the banks' fault. Consumer overspending had nothing to do with it.


Yeah...he should make a Jimmy Carter esque statement. Great idea.


I think one of the first unspoken rules of politics is that the voter is never the cause of anything....
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2009, 08:44:37 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
You need to watch that again.

You need to join reality. His point was perfectly clear that people who bought homes they couldn't afford made a mistake. No he didn't put all the blame on them, or chastise them as tough as he chastises banks/wall street. What do you expect him to do

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 09, 2009, 08:46:35 PM
to give sd a tax cut
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 09, 2009, 08:48:23 PM
We'll just have to go to the transcript.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 09, 2009, 08:53:30 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 09, 2009, 08:46:35 PM
to give sd a tax cut
giving poor people a tax cut is socialism though

give rich people a tax cut, so it can the golden shower can trickle down to sd
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 09, 2009, 10:39:35 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ericprva/aolol.jpg)

aol.com's snap survey
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 09, 2009, 11:23:45 PM
I loved when Obama brought up and then proceeded to mock the FDR revisionist history types. :lol

It was like he was talking about the wacky libertarians on the net.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 12:51:46 AM
My Sirius radio crapped out on my ride home from work, so I was flipping through the AM stations and rolled past Hannity pimping his own dating service. WTF


http://web1.hannity.com/hannidate/



Any takers on this 38 year old "strong christian" and his dog? (What grown man takes a formal picture with his dog? lol)

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2009, 01:02:42 AM
Erip P is that the online poll or something more official? Too small to see

the online poll shows mixed results but obviously it's not scientific. Obama defended his position while making the republicans look like assholes
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2009, 01:06:50 AM
Multi-paragraph posts from Prole and tennin.   :heart EB

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 08, 2009, 11:10:29 AM
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no, there's no word OTHER than STUPID for anyone who believes that tax cuts should be favored over infrastructure spending in a stimulus package, or who think that a stimulus package isn't needed. even the karl denninger-esque kooks are starting to come around, since it doesn't take a lot of mental horsepower to compute that, say (for example) repealing the amt for the rich will NOT lead to good returns on each dollar "spent", since RICH PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO SAVE.

meeeeee!  i really don't see why infrastructure spending should be favored over tax cuts if by "tax cuts" we mean stuff like EITC and "tax rebate" demogrants.  infrastructure (and education etc.) spending is fine if it's something actually worthwhile in itself, but if we're just spending money to give people money, better just give them money rather than wasting their time at some make-work job (which I'm not saying the stimulus programs are, but under the logic of some of the "it doesn't matter what we buy as long as we buy stuff" commentators I've seen they could just as well be).

you folks are trying to make the dispute over Keynesian economics out to be fake, like the global warming "controversy", but as far as I can tell it's pretty different.  expert opinion appears genuinely split, empirical evidence is inconclusive, theoretical justifications are (on the surface) dubious.

I think you're misreading the debate and drawing the battle lines wrong as a consequence.  The economists using the Keynes playbook (and those of us cadging their talking points) do rate refundable tax credits pretty highly.

(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2015/20081022snapshot600lv4.jpg)

That's just one example but I think sums up the consensus among the Keynes mafia (Krugman, DeLong, that Romer-Bernstein paper, etc.).  When they dis "tax cuts" you should read that phrase as "untargeted marginal rate cuts or cuts to the corporate/capital gains/estate taxes."  You know, the horseshit that actually makes the other side of the public discourse on this issue.

Remember, it was the House GOP leadership who told Obama that the refundable credits were really "welfare" and the Senate GOP that proposed a non-refundable rate cut as an alternative.  I haven't seen any lefty economists attack the EITC, food stamps, etc.

As for Keynes' theory generally, I'm too lazy to read the primary sources but Krugman and Daniel Davies -- my favorite pundits and guys with great bullshit detectors -- swear by him.  Plus most of the criticism I've seen has come in the form of transparently dishonest arguments from Chicago school types.


Quote from: Professor Prole
the trouble is, as i pointed out on your facebook

Man, do I gotta register there to get all my EB-related content?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 10, 2009, 10:39:22 AM
FYI, Obama sucks starting yesterday :gloomy
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123422915277565975.html

:piss state secrets defense :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 10:41:06 AM
Quote
All right. Chuck Todd. Where's Chuck?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. In your opening remarks, you talked about that if your plan works the way you want it to work, it's going to increase consumer spending. But isn't consumer spending, or over-spending, how we got into this mess? And if people get money back into their pockets, do you not want them saving it or paying down debt first, before they start spending money into the economy?

MR. OBAMA: Well, first of all, I don't think it's accurate to say that consumer spending got us into this mess. What got us into this mess initially were banks taking exorbitant, wild risks with other people's monies, based on shaky assets. And because of the enormous leverage, where they had $1 worth of assets and they were betting $30 on that $1, what we had was a crisis in the financial system.

That led to a contraction of credit, which in turn meant businesses couldn't make payroll or make inventories, which meant that everybody became uncertain about the future of the economy.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/us/politics/09text-obama.html?pagewanted=7 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/us/politics/09text-obama.html?pagewanted=7)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 10, 2009, 10:42:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 12:51:46 AM
My Sirius radio crapped out on my ride home from work, so I was flipping through the AM stations and rolled past Hannity pimping his own dating service. WTF


http://web1.hannity.com/hannidate/



Any takers on this 38 year old "strong christian" and his dog? (What grown man takes a formal picture with his dog? lol)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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omgomgomgomg

best thing ever
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 10, 2009, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2009, 01:02:42 AM
Erip P is that the online poll or something more official? Too small to see

the online poll shows mixed results but obviously it's not scientific. Obama defended his position while making the republicans look like assholes

strange it posted fine here

it's an aol online poll asking "how did obama do?"

and the choices are:
thumbs up, thumbs up, or no opinion
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 10, 2009, 10:47:41 AM
Is there a live stream of the Geithner press conference?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 11:09:33 AM
According to Leisman, there still is no firm plan for the banks.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2009, 11:33:03 AM
Quote
Once the economy stabilizes and people are less fearful, then I do think that we're going to have to start thinking about how do we operate more prudently, because there's no such thing as a free lunch. So if -- if you want to get -- if you want to buy a house, then putting zero down and buying a house that is probably not affordable for you in case something goes wrong, that's something that has to be reconsidered.

So we're going to have to change our -- our bad habits. But right now, the key is making sure that we pull ourselves out of the economic slump that we're in.

SD annihilated
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Geithner: Failure to act quickly made this crisis worse. So, check back with us in a few weeks when we have our plan formulated.

Amazing to think that after almost 3 months on the job he still has no plan. And the markets are reacting very badly. Down 300 at the moment.

EDIT:  :lol PD...so you want to ignore how he specifically responded to the question asked by Todd? Come on dude. Go back to what I said and compare it to what Obama said. There's no difference. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 10, 2009, 11:56:01 AM
just nationalize the freakin' major banks already, or make a fuckin' national bank to sit on the toxic assets, swiss-style! ARE WE SO AFRAID OF BECOMING LIKE EUROPE, I ASK.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2009, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 11:36:33 AM
Geithner: Failure to act quickly made this crisis worse. So, check back with us in a few weeks when we have our plan formulated.

Amazing to think that after almost 3 months on the job he still has no plan. And the markets are reacting very badly. Down 300 at the moment.

EDIT:  :lol PD...so you want to ignore how he specifically responded to the question asked by Todd? Come on dude. Go back to what I said and compare it to what Obama said. There's no difference. 

His entire response was a response, you can't pick and choose. Secondly Todd's question was undeniably distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2009, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 10, 2009, 11:56:01 AM
just nationalize the freakin' major banks already, or make a fuckin' national bank to sit on the toxic assets, swiss-style! ARE WE SO AFRAID OF BECOMING LIKE EUROPE, I ASK.

Stiglitz (http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/02/06-0), Krugman (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=2), Roubini, Taleb (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a7.lUqwQLxw8&refer=home) and Baker (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-banks-have-stolen-eno_b_160677.html?page=2) all agree that the banks should be nationalized.  Just do it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 12:21:37 PM
Who do you think lines their pockets with donation money and offers them cushy lobbying jobs and speaking fees when they leave office?

Once they nationalize the banks, they lose that source of income.

Bank of America donated 2.2 million in 2008
Citigroup donated 4.2 million in 2008
Chase donated 4.2 million in 2008
MBNA donated 1.5 million in 2008

...and on and on. In total, it was 34 million (48% to Dems, 52% to Reps) for  last year alone.


Keep living the dream, comrades. One day our socialist utopia will magically appear.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on February 10, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
I don't think there's any question that one major issue here is the ridiculous leveraging that banks were doing, which you do have to blame banks for (as well as people like Paulson) and not distinguished mentally-challenged hick consumers. But in general, I disagree with Obama there. Consumer spending on easy credit is at least partly culpable.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 12:27:12 PM
Questions to anyone who would like to answer.

Why must we get credit flowing again to families who are in debt up to their eyeballs?
Why must we stop greatly inflated home prices from continueing to fall?
Why must we help out homeowners who could never afford their house in the first place?
Why must we continue to prop up insolvent banks?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 12:27:12 PM
Questions to anyone who would like to answer.

Why must we get credit flowing again to families who are in debt up to their eyeballs?
Getting credit flowing is for businesses. Even solvent businesses are having problems securing credit.

Quote
Why must we stop greatly inflated home prices from continueing to fall?

Because you will cause more home loans to be "upside down". Which straps people with more debt, less spending power and can freeze them into a house for the next decade or more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902924.html


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Why must we help out homeowners who could never afford their house in the first place?

Because when they take a bath on their property, they are dropping the property value of everyone around them and causing them to be frozen too.

Quote
Why must we continue to prop up insolvent banks?

We shouldn't ... but if you can't find other banks to assume their debts, then the government could wind up spending more when they are forced to cover.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902924.html

And there in lies the problem - a high school teacher bought a 1/2 million dollar home. Fucking insane.

Should I bust out my chart again?

And you should read Geithner's speech. He specifically said we need to get credit flowing to families again. I'll try to find it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Kestastrophe on February 10, 2009, 01:11:13 PM
I do disagree with their approach to increase credit lending to individuals, but I have yet to see details released as to the extent of this lending. shoring up credit to small business is a must however. there should be some kind of funding going to individual foreclosures, imo, even though that presents a slew of other problems, logistics and such.

siamesedreamer, why aren't you asking "who would fund a high school teacher on a $500,000 house" in addition to placing the blame solely on the consumer?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 10, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
Quote
Any takers on this 38 year old "strong christian" and his dog? (What grown man takes a formal picture with his dog? lol)

his dog looks pretty in that pic, he made the right decision.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 10, 2009, 01:27:30 PM
who wants to give easy credit to families? i want businesses and state governments to be able to make payrolls and purchase assets proactively!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 10, 2009, 02:18:40 PM
I sort of liked season 7 too, but I get why people don't.

season 7 of the Bush years that is
it was admittedly kind of a letdown after season 6 ended on a cliffhanger with the Democrats coming in and people expected they'd actually try to do something
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 10, 2009, 02:32:39 PM
Shitload of people watched Obama last night. Nearly 40 million on networks, around 50 million with cable included.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
I saw this up on reddit. It's a PBS interview with a Harvard Law professor about credit and America. Interesting stuff.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/interviews/warren.html

Quote
I'm thinking of ... various economists who would say that you just don't believe in the future; you don't believe in increased productivity; you don't believe in the ... model, for instance, of the U.S. economy which, in spite all the naysayers (interview was in 2004), continues to expand, and consumer credit in particular has been key to that expansion over the last 20 years.

Families cannot expand their earnings fast enough to make up for the 29 percent interest rates. They just can't do it. It's not possible. ... Our economy may grow fast, it may hit another boom, and we may grow ourselves out of all kinds of debt problems, but the individual family can't count on increasing its income next year by 29 percent.

Look at where American wages have been for the last 30 years. A fully employed male today earns 1 percent more than a fully employed male earned 30 years ago. Inflation adjusted, there's been 1 percent growth in wages in 30 years. When people take out credit card loans at 29 percent interest, they're spending tomorrow's wages, and there's no way that those wages are going to go up fast enough that they're going to have the money to pay it back other than by cutting their future purchasing.

Title: Why must you post?
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2009, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 12:27:12 PM
Questions to anyone who would like to answer.

Why must we get credit flowing again to families who are in debt up to their eyeballs?
Why must we stop greatly inflated home prices from continueing to fall?
Why must we help out homeowners who could never afford their house in the first place?
Why must we continue to prop up insolvent banks?

What would you do?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on February 10, 2009, 03:19:31 PM
Damn that Hannidate shit was gold, but I cant view shit anymore. Guess you gotta register
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 04:19:56 PM
Our economy is far too reliant on consumer purchases by people who are living on credit. The economy will need to shrink and everyone will have to take a major hit for things to get to a sane point again. Credit limits need to be slashed and people have to accept that they can only buy what their paychecks say they can. In that same line, employers will have to provide wages which actually allow people to pay for the basics (food, housing, healthcare, education). And those who earn less will need to stop with luxury purchases and the rich will just have to face being less rich.

Now what would you do?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
So let me get this right sd, you're saying CEOs shouldn't be making 500 times what the average worker at their company makes?  SOCIALIST.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
After the markets implode on the non-news Ogeithner "plan", Dodd is saying suspending mark-to-market accounting rules may be part of it. Wall Street will love it, but inventing the value of assets is fucking insane since the taxpayers are going to be footing most of the bill. That's how the swindle continues on though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on February 10, 2009, 07:47:49 PM
Mark-to-model isn't anything new, and it's not really "inventing" the price of assets. I don't think any models are going to pass for "if x, then x = 1 BILLION ZILLION!!!" But yeah, you'd like it to be mark to market when the tax payer is going to foot the bill, but that would be counterproductive.

there's no point in doing this good bank/bad bank thing with the government playing bad bank if it causes such a drop in net worth/owners equity for the banks that the banks become insolvent again once a single loan defaults.

just nationalize the banks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 10, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
How's Europe's economy right now? Surely all of their spending and government programs are keeping them healthy?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on February 10, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 10, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
How's Europe's economy right now? Surely all of their spending and government programs are keeping them healthy?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2009, 09:13:51 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on February 10, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 10, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
How's Europe's economy right now? Surely all of their spending and government programs are keeping them healthy?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)

Why is this not an emoticon yet?  Leper Willco.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 10, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/popovich_gregg030428.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on February 10, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 10, 2009, 09:13:51 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on February 10, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 10, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
How's Europe's economy right now? Surely all of their spending and government programs are keeping them healthy?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)

Why is this not an emoticon yet?  Leper Willco.

why bother when his employers going to do it for us?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 10, 2009, 09:13:51 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on February 10, 2009, 09:12:39 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 10, 2009, 08:28:07 PM
How's Europe's economy right now? Surely all of their spending and government programs are keeping them healthy?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)

Why is this not an emoticon yet?  Leper Willco.

Can we add a :hippolol too while we're at it?
Title: What would you do, not where do you want to wind up.
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2009, 10:59:34 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 10, 2009, 04:19:56 PM
Our economy is far too reliant on consumer purchases by people who are living on credit. The economy will need to shrink and everyone will have to take a major hit for things to get to a sane point again. Credit limits need to be slashed and people have to accept that they can only buy what their paychecks say they can. In that same line, employers will have to provide wages which actually allow people to pay for the basics (food, housing, healthcare, education). And those who earn less will need to stop with luxury purchases and the rich will just have to face being less rich.

Now what would you do?

You're describing an end-state (less consumption, less consumer debt, living wages) without answering my question.

I'm getting the implication that we should let the market self-correct and trust that it will mete out the pain with efficiency and morality, eventually leading to your desired conclusion.  Tell me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 10, 2009, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
It really did not occur to me just how much money credit card companies are leeching out of the American public until I read that interview. Billions and billions in interest and bullshit fees that should not be allowed. If you guys haven't read that interview, you need to.

Read it? We just escaped it about 6 month ago. It took my wife 6 months to close a Citibank account with a zero balance because they kept charging fees on a "closed" account.

"Yes ma'am, we are sorry for this and it will be rectified on the next months bill." (http://i42.tinypic.com/maa1jm.gif)

Next month we get a bill for the closed account with fees on top of fees we didn't pay the month before.

6 months of this.
Title: Ah, nostalgia.
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 03:14:12 AM
The credit stuff is old, but relatively under-the-radar news.

Back in 2005 a really egregious bankruptcy "reform" bill passed, which made it harder to get personal debt relief.  The usual liberal activists were against it but couldn't beat it back as they did with Social Security privatization that year.

Talking Points Memo set up a temporary guest blog specifically dedicated to the issue, where one of the writers was... Elizabeth Warren!  Here it is, (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/bankruptcy/) still.

It still chaps my hide that Joe Biden was the sponsor for this thing in the Senate.  He actually has a very populist record on economic issues, but banking was a constituent industry for him.

In one of the debates Obama said you couldn't allow cross-state competition among insurance companies or they'd all find the state with the laws most tilted in their favor, like the credit industry had done with Delaware.  Insider baseball, but I appreciated it.

Warren's on the TARP oversight board now, which is good cause she's a mensch.

Anyways, the Credit Cardholders Bill of Rights passed the House but was never put to a vote in the Senate.  Coulda been killed any number of ways, since it one Senator can stop a bill if it doesn't have too much momentum.

Definitely should be done, but it might get lost in the shuffle over the stimulus, with further bailouts, healthcare, and energy on the horizon.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 04:18:42 AM
(http://media.caglecartoons.com/preview/%7b0a5d100c-9a0b-4d37-be68-dd8e84c622a1%7d.gif)
 :rofl
Title: Re: What would you do, not where do you want to wind up.
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 08:16:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 10, 2009, 10:59:34 PM
I'm getting the implication that we should let the market self-correct and trust that it will mete out the pain with efficiency and morality, eventually leading to your desired conclusion.  Tell me if I'm wrong.

With regard to the housing market yes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 08:18:11 AM
holy shit, I was looking at a site that tracks political cartoons and I saw this one. I can't believe someone could get away with making this  :lol
(http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7Bdca8eaa5-9c6c-44d0-ae6b-080f4e9b16c0%7D.gif)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 11:46:11 AM
Quote
Negotiators on Capitol Hill wrangling with reconciling the House and Senate versions of the stimulus package have come to an agreement on the top line figure for the recovery bill: $789.5-billion, Democratic and Congressional sources tell me and my colleague Rick Klein

GOP sources say that negotiators are moving toward a deal but caution that it has not been finalized.

This is less than either the $838-billion passed by the Senate, or the $820-billion passed by the House. Committees have been told to get back to leadership with any problems meeting that figure by 11 am today.

The compromise scales back the tax credits for auto and home purchases and other tax cuts. It also restores some of the House education funding that the Obama administration has called "crucial." restored.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/02/stimulus-agreem.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/02/stimulus-agreem.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 12:01:37 PM
I won't be critical of the education stuff until I see details .. but I just hope the money is funneled through the states as they are best equipped to handle how the money should be doled out.

I'm not a huge fan of new school construction. I see too many times where a district builds these grand palaces with their free money and then are coming back to the taxpayer 3 years later because they didn't realize how much it would cost to maintain/heat these monstrosities. I would rather see them take their existing structures and modernize them.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 12:03:22 PM
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Alex Castellanos says stimulus bill is a cover for a bold plan for government to rule key parts of private sector.

Alex Castellanos says stimulus bill is a cover for a bold plan for government to rule key parts of private sector.

(CNN) -- Two Congressmen walk into a bar to watch President Obama's first prime-time press conference. The Democrat says to the Republican....

D: Just watch the president tonight and you'll see how to get this economy back on track. Monopolies.

R: Monopolies?

D: Monopolies so big they will shame Parker Brothers and make them put the board game in a bigger box. Monopolies so huge, they'll make railroad tycoon Cornelius Vanderbilt look like a push-cart operator.

R: Why monopolies?

D: In these desperate times, we can't afford to let Americans choose inefficient cars or wasteful health care. We can't let innovation run wild on Wall Street or Main Street. We have to make sure Americans are secure in their health care and jobs, their incomes and energy.

To serve the greater good, we have to organize America's economy so it achieves the best possible ends for all Americans. We can't leave that to chance. Who knows what might happen if individual Americans make those choices in a free market and organize themselves?

R: A little less freedom, a lot more organization, all for the collective good?

D: My friend, we need a directed economy, where we limit people's choices to those that serve the best social ends. Our nation's development is best controlled by monopolies, not some atomistic economy where Americans are free to make almost any choice and organize bottom-up, according to their own whims. That means, big, honking, all-powerful monopolies.

R: But during the campaign, Obama talked about change, fueling "bottom-up prosperity." This sounds like the same old, top-down, industrial-age stuff Democrats have been pitching for years.

D: You betcha! Bottom-up campaign rhetoric just ran into the top-down Democratic establishment from Washington. Guess who won. We're going to create monopolies in the biggest sectors of the economy, starting with banking and financial services. Even after the meltdown, that's still the largest stock market sector, 16 percent of the S&P.

R: Follow the money.

D: Exactly. With massive regulation, caps on pay and restrictions on risk and competition, we can turn the entire financial sector into a cross between a public utility and the DMV.

R: And then?

D: We'll create an energy monopoly that would make J. D. Rockefeller look like a gas station attendant. If it has anything to do with energy, we will control it, plan it and direct it. You are going to love your windmill.

R: I'm not feeling so good.

D: That's next. A health care monopoly alone will organize another 16 percent of the economy. Choice and diversity are great, but not so much in health care. We'll throw in $20 billion at the start for paperless health records. Data, my friend, is power. You know where we will go: Cost controls. Restricted formularies. Nancy Pelosi can be your doctor. You don't need a lot of choice. Just a good choice. Or a good-enough choice. Cough for me.

R: Watch that. I'm leaving.

D: Now that you mention it, we can't forget the good old American auto industry. To borrow from Henry Ford, consumers can pick any color car they want, as long as it is green.

R: Who are you going to get to run these monopolies? You are dealing with increasingly complex economic networks. How are you going to coordinate the sophisticated relationships, the subtle interests and ever-changing needs of millions of American consumers? Americans have traditionally done that themselves, in a natural and organic way, one to another, through the market. Who is smart enough to replace all that?

D: Congress.

R: You are making this stuff up. The president isn't talking about huge government-run monopolies. All he's talking about is the stimulus bill. iReport.com: Share your thoughts on the stimulus package

D: Of course. That's the beauty of the thing. As long as we call it "stimulus," we can pass almost anything that expands the power of government to command people's lives. Why do you think Newsweek's cover says, "We Are All Socialists Now?"

R: I need a drink. Don't they serve Congressmen in this bar?

D: No. But you can buy one from a lobbyist.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/10/castellanos.monopoly/index.html?eref=rss_latest
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 12:11:27 PM
Rassmussen is saying support for the stimulus package is growing amongst the public again. Very good news. Republicans have lost control of the spin war after monday it seems.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 12:18:40 PM
Quote
D: Of course. That's the beauty of the thing. As long as we call it "stimulus," we can pass almost anything that expands the power of government to command people's lives.

Stimulus packages are dependent on there being a bad economy. Climate change has the potential to last much longer.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 12:11:27 PM
Rassmussen is saying support for the stimulus package is growing amongst the public again. Very good news. Republicans have lost control of the spin war after monday it seems.

The only thing that matters is how well it actually helps.

There's a bit of a conspiracy theory making the rounds though - Obama built up hype for a huge bank rescue plan. Geithner comes out with nothing. The market tanks. People get ever more concerned. Support for stimulus increases.

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 11, 2009, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 08:18:11 AM
holy shit, I was looking at a site that tracks political cartoons and I saw this one. I can't believe someone could get away with making this  :lol

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2uo6s6t.gif)

You don't know political cartoons.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 12:28:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 12:11:27 PM
Rassmussen is saying support for the stimulus package is growing amongst the public again. Very good news. Republicans have lost control of the spin war after monday it seems.

The only thing that matters is how well it actually helps.

There's a bit of a conspiracy theory making the rounds though - Obama built up hype for a huge bank rescue plan. Geithner comes out with nothing. The market tanks. People get ever more concerned. Support for stimulus increases.

 

wasn't support above 65% even before Geithner's no show?  ::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
wasn't support above 65% even before Geithner's no show?  ::)

Yea, in fact, the only people it was below 50 percent for were the republican voters.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 12:55:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
wasn't support above 65% even before Geithner's no show?  ::)

Yea, in fact, the only people it was below 50 percent for were the republican voters.

Fortunately, there's fewer and fewer of them every cycle!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 11, 2009, 12:56:03 PM
holy shit @ political cartoons
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 12:58:08 PM
You know what's really disappointing about political cartoonists?  David Vitter goes and gets caught with hookers and is outed as having a diaper fetish, and I still haven't seen one cartoon about it yet.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 12:58:58 PM
wait - what?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 12:58:58 PM
wait - what?

Jesus Christ, Maurice.  You're out of your element.  Google "David Vitter + hookers + diapers".  I dare you.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Vitter was the senator the other day who wanted to put an amendment in the stimulus package to ban fed. funding for the evil and vile Obama machine ACORN right?  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:07:04 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Vitter was the senator the other day who wanted to put an amendment in the stimulus package to ban fed. funding for the evil and vile Obama machine ACORN right?  :lol

Oh yeah.  And he's made a big show out of opposing Hillary as SoS, Geithner, Holder etc.  He's got his reelection coming up in 2010 after all.  If Katrina hadn't happened and dislocated probably hundreds of thousands of lower income voters, he might stand a chance of losing, too.  Then again Louisiana loves their wacko politicians, so who knows.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
:rofl holy shit this is one of those "sanctity of marriage" guys
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:13:06 PM
Rasmussen had support for the plan as low as 37% last week with a plurality opposing it.

And I can't find what poll Cheebs is referring to.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
:rofl holy shit this is one of those "sanctity of marriage" guys

Oh, it gets better.

[youtube=560,345]8y2cI7tyjVg[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2cI7tyjVg
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:13:06 PM
Rasmussen had support for the plan as low as 37% last week with a plurality opposing it.

And I can't find what poll Cheebs is referring to.
Rasmussen hasn't put numbers up yet but in their report this morning they note since Obama gave his address on monday stimulus support has risen.

And this is the most recent stimulus poll I can find:
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/spkmsc5sue2tgkahrvqrxq.gif)


The problems with the stimulus are for the most part considered the Republicans fault from the public's perspective.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on February 11, 2009, 01:17:01 PM
lol republicans have left a dirty taste in everyone's mouth
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:17:58 PM
omg Triumph  :lol

Yup here's the 37%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

Sounds like Obama won the spin war, sorry SD
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:21:13 PM
Republicans still get the blame even though they are out of power. :bow :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:21:15 PM
The Republican's problem is that the big lesson they've taken from the last two elections is that apparently the only reason the public at large (aside from the South, where there's the whole inbreeding/racism thing) has turned away from them is that they spent too much money.  Nevermind the Terry Schiavo fiasco.  Nevermind Katrina, firing US Attorneys and otherwise politicizing the Justice dept. to the point that Eric Freaking Holder is an improvement, torture, illegal spying on average US citizens, bungling Iraq and letting the people that actually attacked us wander around free.  Nope, it's all the fact that they spent too much money and doubled the debt!

Didn't McCain run on that?  Gonna cut wasteful gubmint spending?  No more earmarks?  Yeah.  How'd that go?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 11, 2009, 01:21:35 PM
It's weird how this whole stimulus debate is being framed.  For a long time the dems have been considered the party of no ideas, but right now the GOP is kinda fitting into that role, not really offering clear alternatives alternatives to the package, only saying add more tax cuts and reduce critical funding.  You can't succeed being the party of No.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2009, 01:22:03 PM
Vitter asked for God's forgiveness, so everything is cool now.

Not making this up:
"Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God."

I can understand how you can ask for God's forgiveness, but how exactly do you receive it?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:24:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:17:58 PM
omg Triumph  :lol

Yup here's the 37%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/economic_stimulus_package/support_for_stimulus_package_falls_to_37

Sounds like Obama won the spin war, sorry SD

That Rasmussen number was pretty obviously an outlier. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/10/104017/435/4/695626)

Pollster  Support level (previous where available)

Gallup    52 (53)  2/4
CNN       54       2/7-8
Pew       51 (57)  2/4-8 
Rasmussen 37 (42)  2/4
CBS       51 (63)  2/2-4
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:26:38 PM
And those polls were all before the obama press conference that got over 50 million viewers, and I doubt Rasmussen is the only pollster to notice a sharp rise in support for the bill after monday.

Public supports the stimulus package and claim the problems with it are the republicans fault. I love it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 11, 2009, 01:28:32 PM
Quote
I can understand how you can ask for God's forgiveness, but how exactly do you receive it?

He hasn't been struck by lightning, has he?  So there you go.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 11, 2009, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:21:15 PM
The Republican's problem is that the big lesson they've taken from the last two elections is that apparently the only reason the public at large (aside from the South, where there's the whole inbreeding/racism thing) has turned away from them is that they spent too much money.  Nevermind the Terry Schiavo fiasco.  Nevermind Katrina, firing US Attorneys and otherwise politicizing the Justice dept. to the point that Eric Freaking Holder is an improvement, torture, illegal spying on average US citizens, bungling Iraq and letting the people that actually attacked us wander around free.  Nope, it's all the fact that they spent too much money and doubled the debt!

Didn't McCain run on that?  Gonna cut wasteful gubmint spending?  No more earmarks?  Yeah.  How'd that go?
That's the thing.  If they had stuck to their fiscal conservative guns during the Bush Adminstration they would have much better bargaining position.  But the general public sees through this fiscal conservative BS they are pushing, especially after approving huge tax cuts that benefited mostly the rich and two expensive wars.  One war that many think was unnecessary.  The dems aren't absolved of any blame, though, but congressional dems have never tried to claim that they were fiscal conservatives in the first place.

Not only that, but the GOP is just sending the wrong message to the American people.  Hey, it's okay to spends tons of money and lives on useless wars, but improving infrastructure, providing better unemployment benefits, helping ailing states, many who are almost bankrupt, no we can't have that.  The GOP is really becoming irrelevant these days with these attitudes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:30:06 PM
So Vitter was visiting prostitutes while he had kids - daughters. smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 11, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:30:06 PM
So Vitter was visiting prostitutes while he had kids - daughters. smh
Is that so hard to believe?  Spitzer has three daughters. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:31:52 PM
I love it when I see republicans compare being against the stimulus package is like the liberals who opposed the iraq war at the time.

Because obviously giving needed funding to the public at a time of an economic crisis is very comparable to a unneeded war that killed over 4,000 Americans. Clearly both are dignified stands!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:30:06 PM
So Vitter was visiting prostitutes while he had kids - daughters. smh

Of course. When else does a man need a hooker? It's not when he's married with no kids.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:35:09 PM
Yeah, I saw that Gallup poll. Its interesting to say the least. There was a good analysis of the competing polls on Pollster.

Not sure if there was a ever a spin war to win though. Obama was always going to get something passed. He set a signing date for President's Day. Not like the REPs have done anything to hamper that goal. Unless you feel they should roll over and give the DEMs exactly what they want. Going forward, the only thing that matters is how much the plan helps. I think he made a pretty big mistake in the presser Monday by saying the first metric on which to measure the plan is the unemployment rate. That's not going to stop getting worse much less improve anytime soon. We'll see how long the patience lasts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:30:06 PM
So Vitter was visiting prostitutes while he had kids - daughters. smh

Of course. When else does a man need a hooker? It's not when he's married with no kids.

As someone who has tallied the costs involved with dating a woman and compared it to the "suggested donations" on CL's erotic services page, I heartily disagree.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:36:37 PM
sd- you'll have to forgive democrats, we're used to our experience in the minority where in fact we DID roll over and present our puckered up starfishes whenever the other side asked us
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
As someone who has tallied the costs involved with dating a woman and compared it to the "suggested donations" on CL's erotic services page, I heartily disagree.

Most men don't think that logically. They have a false bravado or morality that prevents them from doing it. They would rather goto a bar and spend 20 dollars on drinks and hope to get lucky.



 --- ---


Most of the Poligaf kiddies are so blinded by their Republican hate, they don't see the genius of Obama. He is pretending like the Republicans are this big obstacle he needs to overcome to get this passed, when he has had this thing the whole time. He then can deliver that message directly to places like Indiana (newly turned blue state) or other pockets of America.

Obama knows the game. He only needed to flip a few moderates (Dems and Reps) and he was getting this thing done. Demonizing the Republicans was just for sport and for 2010.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
David Vitter's wife mocked Hillary when Bill cheated on her saying she'd never stay with a husband if he cheated on her.

Guess who is still married to Vitter?  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:42:06 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 01:38:03 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
As someone who has tallied the costs involved with dating a woman and compared it to the "suggested donations" on CL's erotic services page, I heartily disagree.

Most men don't think that logically. They have a false bravado or morality that prevents them from doing it. They would rather goto a bar and spend 20 dollars on drinks and hope to get lucky.

Those guys are dumb.  Not to mention the mental/emotional capital you have to expend when you're dealing with a woman.  I had a one night stand just ONCE, and even though drinks/food that night cost me about $60, I also had to deal with her the next morning (awkward!) and dodge phone calls for about a week.  Even after that there were awkward random encounters out in bars or at concerts where I'd run into her, not to mention the fact that we had overlap in our social circles (unknown at the time!) so there was some awkward questions and finger pointing from friends.  Far better to pony up the $150-200 an hour for a hooker.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 11, 2009, 01:42:46 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 01:38:03 PM


Most men don't think that logically. They have a false bravado or morality that prevents them from doing it. They would rather goto a bar and spend 20 dollars on drinks and hope to get lucky.


Or stay at home crying while listening to Rilo Kiley.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Interesting - apperently the tax credit has been reduced from $500/$1000 to $400/$800.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Interesting - apperently the tax credit has been reduced from $500/$1000 to $400/$800.

Yeah, apparently Obama really wanted some education money put back in.  I'm still overly annoyed that this thing is about 45% tax cuts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:42:06 PM
Those guys are dumb.  Not to mention the mental/emotional capital you have to expend when you're dealing with a woman.  I had a one night stand just ONCE, and even though drinks/food that night cost me about $60, I also had to deal with her the next morning (awkward!) and dodge phone calls for about a week.  Even after that there were awkward random encounters out in bars or at concerts where I'd run into her, not to mention the fact that we had overlap in our social circles (unknown at the time!) so there was some awkward questions and finger pointing from friends.  Far better to pony up the $150-200 an hour for a hooker.

Was that the Olympic girl? I thought you said she was a fourner?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:47:17 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:42:06 PM
Those guys are dumb.  Not to mention the mental/emotional capital you have to expend when you're dealing with a woman.  I had a one night stand just ONCE, and even though drinks/food that night cost me about $60, I also had to deal with her the next morning (awkward!) and dodge phone calls for about a week.  Even after that there were awkward random encounters out in bars or at concerts where I'd run into her, not to mention the fact that we had overlap in our social circles (unknown at the time!) so there was some awkward questions and finger pointing from friends.  Far better to pony up the $150-200 an hour for a hooker.

Was that the Olympic girl? I thought you said she was a fourner?

Nah, I hung out with her for a couple of weeks afterwards.  This was a chick that kind of looked like Bjork, but chubbier.  The olympics girl was the hottest chick I ever nailed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Interesting - apperently the tax credit has been reduced from $500/$1000 to $400/$800.

Yeah, apparently Obama really wanted some education money put back in.  I'm still overly annoyed that this thing is about 45% tax cuts.

Isn't it 35%?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/washington/10stimulus-web.html?_r=2&hp
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 01:51:38 PM
Bobby Jindal is going to give the republican response to the state of the union later this month. Interesting.

http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9826923&nav=menu57_2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2009, 01:59:14 PM
From PD's article:

Quote
Senator James Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, complained that for all the spending in the bill, it does not provide a sufficient number of public works projects. ,

“If we’re going to spend all this money, let’s at least get something for it, provide some jobs and get some roads and highways and bridges, things this country really needs,” he said.

 :dizzy

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 02:02:05 PM
Had no idea there was a SotU address in the first year of a new president's term.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 11, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
It's a well kept secret
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 02:52:40 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer
With regard to the housing market yes.

You seem to be pushing that strategy wrt everything.  for example you want businesses to pay better wages but are vehemently against the minimum wage and unionization.  So I'll repeat, what would you do?

Quote from: ToxicAdam
Most of the Poligaf kiddies are so blinded by their Republican hate, they don't see the genius of Obama. He is pretending like the Republicans are this big obstacle he needs to overcome to get this passed, when he has had this thing the whole time. He then can deliver that message directly to places like Indiana (newly turned blue state) or other pockets of America.

Obama knows the game. He only needed to flip a few moderates (Dems and Reps) and he was getting this thing done. Demonizing the Republicans was just for sport and for 2010.

You ever notice you have a slight tendency to ascribe complex, nefarious motives to people on the other side of the aisle?  I'm just throwing this out there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 11, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
Interesting - apperently the tax credit has been reduced from $500/$1000 to $400/$800.

Yeah, apparently Obama really wanted some education money put back in.  I'm still overly annoyed that this thing is about 45% tax cuts.

Didn't the CBO come out and say it was more like 30ish?


What exactly is wrong with what Inhofe said? Just about every state in the union has a point A to point B that needs to be connected or a bridge that is overloaded with rush time traffic.

Those type of highway construction jobs are accessible across all types of socio-economic groups.

This bill could have been a great opportunity for funding of new oil refineries, but no one even seems to care about our severe shortage. They still pretend like a miracle alternative fuel is going to fall out of the sky within the next 20 years.

Quote from: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 02:52:40 PM
You ever notice you have a slight tendency to ascribe complex, nefarious motives to people on the other side of the aisle?  I'm just throwing this out there.

Since when is assuring your side keeps winning elections seen as "nefarious" and "complex"?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 11, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
This bill could have been a great opportunity for funding of new oil refineries, but no one even seems to care about our severe shortage. They still pretend like a miracle alternative fuel is going to fall out of the sky within the next 20 years.

Man bear pig?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 03:04:46 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 11, 2009, 02:59:10 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 02:56:41 PM
This bill could have been a great opportunity for funding of new oil refineries, but no one even seems to care about our severe shortage. They still pretend like a miracle alternative fuel is going to fall out of the sky within the next 20 years.

Man bear pig?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
TA:  I'm just saying, yo.

Why do we need refineries, anyway?  Are they really the limiting factor in current or future US oil production?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 03:21:44 PM
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Wednesday, February 11, 2009

The Obama administration is putting a lot of pressure on Congress to
slam through the most recent $800+ billion bailout package before anyone
has an opportunity to read it.

The Obama administration intones that the details are unimportant.  The
only thing that matters is the "bigness."  And, by shipping a bill of
nearly $900 billion (plus interest) to our children and grandchildren,
the package is really, really big -- bigger, in fact, than the budget of
our entire government for the first 170 years of our country's
existence.

But now that some of the details are finally starting to leak out of
Washington, Gun Owners -- and a lot of other analysts -- are beginning
to look at the fine print.  And some of it is particularly scary.

Of particular concern to gun owners are sections 13101 through 13434 of
HR 1, which would set up the infrastructure to computerize the medical
records of ALL AMERICANS in a government-coordinated database.

True, the bill doesn't mandate that the data will be in a giant computer
under the Oval Office.  But it does mandate that your medical records be
reduced to a computerized form which is available to it in a second.

This it would do by establishing a National Coordinator for Health
Information Technology -- tasked with, among other things, "providing
information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of
care."

It should be scary enough that a government bureaucrat is directed by
statute to try to influence your doctor's decisions with respect to your
medical care.

But of even greater concern to gun owners is the fact that a
government-coordinated database (which government can freely access)
will now contain all records of government-provided and private
psychiatric treatment -- including, in particular, the drugs which were
prescribed.

Remember last year's "NICS Improvement Act" -- otherwise known as the
Veterans Disarmament Act?  This law codified ATF's attempts to make you
a prohibited person on the basis of a government psychiatrist's finding
that you are a "danger" -- without a finding by any court.  Well,
roughly 150,000 battle-scarred veterans have already been unfairly
stripped of their gun rights by the government.

But people who, as kids, were diagnosed with Attention Deficit
Disorder... or seniors with Alzheimer's... or police with Post-Traumatic
Stress Disorder... or people who are now theoretically covered by the
new law... these people have, generally, not suffered the consequences
of its sanctions -- YET.  And the chief reason is that their records are
not easily available to the government in a central, easily retrievable,
computerized form.

The bailout bill would change all of that.  It would push increasingly
hard to force your private psychiatrist or government-sanctioned
psychiatrist to turn over your psychiatric records to a massive
database. This would be mandated immediately if your doctor does
business with the government.

This would supposedly save Medicare money in connection with medical
treatment.  And, the sponsors insist, they would work very hard to
protect your privacy.

But this turns the concept of "privacy" on its head.   The privacy which
is MOST important is privacy from the prying eyes of government -- not
privacy of government data against the prying eyes of others.  After
all, many government data bases have been hacked in recent years, with
mountains of information stolen.

So, once the government has access to these computerized psychiatric
records, the stage will be set for using that database to take away the
gun rights of those with Alzheimer's, those with ADD, and those with
PTSD.

ACTION:  Write your two senators.  Urge them to vote against the bailout
bill (HR 1) until it is stripped of provisions which would turn your
psychiatric records over to a central government-coordinated database
against your will -- without you getting your day in court.

You can go to the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators the
pre-written e-mail message below.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 03:28:39 PM
:duh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
What does medical records being on computers have to do with guns?

Also do they realize their medical records are already recorded (just on paper)? That's why they are called RECORDS.


wtf.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 11, 2009, 03:33:21 PM
I want Alzheimers patients to be fully armed
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2009, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 03:07:03 PM

Why do we need refineries, anyway?  Are they really the limiting factor in current or future US oil production?

What GC said. Over the past 30 years the amount of refineries has been cut in half, but consumption has increased. In that time, Big oil has slowly gobbled up all the independent refineries and leaned on government to close down others. A handful of companies now control a vast majority of the capacity in America. Environmentalists and NIMBY thinking hasn't helped matters either.

From a national security standpoint, it's ridiculous that a natural disaster in one small area of the country can cripple supplies for weeks at a time.

Check out this link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-court/memos-show-oil-companies-_b_6980.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2009, 04:15:32 PM
Okay, but agglomeration and consolidation are separate issues.

I don't see expanding the long-term oil infrastructure as a terribly smart move at this stage of the game.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 11, 2009, 03:32:02 PM
What does medical records being on computers have to do with guns?

Also do they realize their medical records are already recorded (just on paper)? That's why they are called RECORDS.


wtf.

I bet millions of people are going to wind up believing this bullshit. Who would think that such a simple, common sense thing like this could be flipped on its head to mean LOL NO MORE GUNS.

I file patient info at my dad's practice and it's a fucking pain.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/julio-osegueda-florida-co_n_165673.html
wtf  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/julio-osegueda-florida-co_n_165673.html
wtf  :lol

finally

the left's Joe The Plumber

let's turn this kid into a left wing media darling
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 11, 2009, 06:52:10 PM
meanwhile, republicans don't know when the great depression happened http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/steve_austria_r_oh_doesnt_know_when_the_depression_happened.php
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/julio-osegueda-florida-co_n_165673.html
wtf  :lol

finally

the left's Joe The Plumber

let's turn this kid into a left wing media darling

Too late, he was on Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2009, 06:52:28 PM
They can interview him from the drive through.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 06:52:14 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2009, 06:47:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/julio-osegueda-florida-co_n_165673.html
wtf  :lol

finally

the left's Joe The Plumber

let's turn this kid into a left wing media darling

Too late, he was on Countdown with Keith Olbermann last night.

hell yeah

now let's send him to israel to report on some conflict there or something
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
We should send him to Darfur.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 11, 2009, 07:04:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009#cite_note-16
The current Wikipedia entry for ARRA has a whole section on health IT reform for which the cites are all to a WSJ editorial.  wtf

I might fix it later.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2009, 08:07:22 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 11, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
We should send him to Darfur.

more like retardarfur, amirite?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 12:03:59 AM
Quote from: Crushed on February 11, 2009, 06:52:10 PM
meanwhile, republicans don't know when the great depression happened http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/steve_austria_r_oh_doesnt_know_when_the_depression_happened.php

Eh, I'm willing to believe he meant "made it worse" rather than "caused it."  You gotta be charitable towards live speech and how easy it is to screw up.

The real problem is the underlying meme, that FDR's policies harmed the economy.  Amity Shlaes has been a one-woman revisionism movement on this, for example, and most conservatives are willing to hop on board.

This debate has clarified why it's important to fight over the past.  You let people rewrite it to suit themselves, and it leads to real consequences later.  Take all that mythos about how we were just about to win in Vietnam cause we had finally sussed out the counterinsurgency racket, which fed directly into the willingness to invade/continue occupying Iraq.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 12:11:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 12:03:59 AM
Quote from: Crushed on February 11, 2009, 06:52:10 PM
meanwhile, republicans don't know when the great depression happened http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/steve_austria_r_oh_doesnt_know_when_the_depression_happened.php

Eh, I'm willing to believe he meant "made it worse" rather than "caused it."  You gotta be charitable towards live speech and how easy it is to screw up.

The real problem is the underlying meme, that FDR's policies harmed the economy.  Amity Shlaes has been a one-woman revisionism movement on this, for example, and most conservatives are willing to hop on board.

This debate has clarified why it's important to fight over the past.  You let people rewrite it to suit themselves, and it leads to real consequences later.  Take all that mythos about how we were just about to win in Vietnam cause we had finally sussed out the counterinsurgency racket, which fed directly into the willingness to invade/continue occupying Iraq.

Hey we had Obama in front of 50 million Americans outright mock the people who claim FDR's policies harmed the economy at least. So that was addressed as publicly as possible.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 12, 2009, 12:51:13 AM
Whaaa!! I work at McDonalds and I don't get benefits. Please Obama do something!! Hey taco, try getting a real job.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 12, 2009, 12:51:13 AM
Whaaa!! I work at McDonalds and I don't get benefits. Please Obama do something!!


Hey distinguished effete fellow, try getting a real job. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2009, 10:50:26 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 12, 2009, 12:51:13 AM
Whaaa!! I work at McDonalds and I don't get benefits. Please Obama do something!!


Hey distinguished effete fellow, try getting a real job. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)



:rofl

total anal obliteration
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 01:23:30 PM
So....sd still going to claim that more people are against this package than for it like you kept doing for a few pages?

(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/cshnqwvbg0kphvd5_ilhzw.gif)

33% opposition.  :lol Basically the same as the amount of people who still approve of the job Bush did. The very definition of dead-enders.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 12, 2009, 01:26:52 PM
It's so hilarious when I look in the paper and see conservatives columnists and cartoonists seriously suggesting that Obama is now hated, honeymoon over, etc., and that everyone hates the stimulus package but OBAMA IS FORCING IT ON US.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
"41% of Americans either don't support or don't have an opinion on the stimulus. That's nearly half the country (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on February 12, 2009, 01:40:53 PM
Hmm, pretty interesting stuff I found on PoliGAF of all places:

Iceland, who took up massive free-market economics in the early 90's, was one of the first and hardest hit countries:
http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/10/14/milton-and-the-meltdown-in-iceland/ (http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2008/10/14/milton-and-the-meltdown-in-iceland/)

Meanwhile, France, who has long resisted free-market economics, is having the smallest drop out of any European nation:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123439232046574705.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123439232046574705.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
I really had hoped that once Obama was president I wouldn't see fucking gallup polls anymore. I don't give a fuck what America thinks. 4/10 of them couldn't even tell you who the vice president is.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 12, 2009, 01:53:18 PM
:bow socialism :bow2


:piss free-market nerds :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 01:53:03 PM
I really had hoped that once Obama was president I wouldn't see fucking gallup polls anymore. I don't give a fuck what America thinks. 4/10 of them couldn't even tell you who the vice president is.


I posted it mostly because sd kept posting that poll that "only 37%" of the country supported the stimulus.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 12, 2009, 02:22:07 PM
:bow socialist nerds :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
Why are you creating fake arguments? Oh - my subjective poll is more accurate than your subjective poll!

Insert [SD ANNIHILATED] weeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

As I stated yesterday, the bill is done and the only thing that matters going forward are the results. Let's see how the numbers look this time next year.  



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 02:41:36 PM
Pelosi and Reid are a friggin joke.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/02/dissension_on_t.html

Quote
Dissension on the stimulus
 
While President Obama and the Senate are fine with the stimulus deal that appears headed for final votes in Congress on Friday and Obama's signature on Monday, the House is another matter.

And it's not just Republicans, who unanimously opposed the bill the first time around and continue to rail against the deal struck by the House-Senate conference committee on Wednesday.

Some House Democrats are upset with some of the changes made to preserve the support of three Republicans in the Senate, who wield virtual veto-power.

And there are reports that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was ticked off that Harry Reid, the top Senate Democrat, announced the compromise Wednesday afternoon before her rank-and-file had signed off. She is expected to say more at a 3 p.m. news conference.

Meanwhile, top House Republican John Boehner's office released a statement with the accusation: "Democrats pile up the pork, but leave scraps for small business."

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 02:45:35 PM
:drudge
Source my be illsuited for sreaming crybabies
:drudge

Federal employee whistleblower protection was stripped from the stimulus bill.

http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/02/11/no-whistleblower-protections-for-feds-in-stimulus/ (http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/02/11/no-whistleblower-protections-for-feds-in-stimulus/)

That's really encouraging. Shows you how much money they think this thing wastes. Still waiting for hopenchange.

bubububut recovery.gov  ::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 02:50:26 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 02:45:35 PM
:drudge
Source my be illsuited for sreaming crybabies
:drudge

Federal employee whistleblower protection was stripped from the stimulus bill.

http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/02/11/no-whistleblower-protections-for-feds-in-stimulus/ (http://www.federaltimes.com/federal-times-blog/2009/02/11/no-whistleblower-protections-for-feds-in-stimulus/)

That's really encouraging. Shows you how much money they think this thing wastes. Still waiting for hopenchange.

bubububut recovery.gov  ::)

it's spelled "screaming"

but following their link back just shows one sentence stating it was removed.  kind of curious as to why that is.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
Quote
Talking Points Memo, which cited a source close to the final bill, said the provision was removed by Republican Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), one of the senators brokering the compromise.

 :teehee

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whisteblower_protections_stripped_from_stimulus_bill_0212.html

oh those rascals!

Title: I for one welcome this newfound interest in government transparency
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 03:00:47 PM
Let's all feign surprise that Republican legislators oppose whistleblower protections (http://www.whistleblower.org/doc/2008/DeMint%20RSC%20Packet.pdf).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
So she switches sides to get the bill through then cuts out an important provision for protecting the taxpayer. You just can't make this stuff up.  :usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
SD annihilated
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on February 12, 2009, 03:03:58 PM
Can we nuke DC yet?  I mean really, these people suck.  :maf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
So she switches sides to get the bill through then cuts out an important provision for protecting the taxpayer. You just can't make this stuff up.  :usacry


she's probably a democratic double agent who ran as a republican because obama knew he'd need more than 60 to push through his illegal socialist agenda.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:04:59 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
Oh - my subjective poll is more accurate than your subjective poll!

Actually sir mine IS more accurate because it was taken after Obama's address to the nation, and it is in line with EVERY poll released so far except one, your old one being the outlier.

So yes, mine is more accurate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 03:04:30 PM
she's probably a democratic double agent who ran as a republican because obama knew he'd need more than 60 to push through his illegal socialist agenda.

Whatever she is, Obama will still get all the glory or blame for what happens.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 03:11:19 PM
stimulus overview
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29160311

nice
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:12:43 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 03:04:30 PM
she's probably a democratic double agent who ran as a republican because obama knew he'd need more than 60 to push through his illegal socialist agenda.

Whatever she is, Obama will still get all the glory or blame for what happens.
You seem to forget, it doesn't matter if the package works amazingly.

As long as the economy improves AT ALL in the next 4 years is all that matters. If the economy is better in Nov 2012 than it is in Jan 2009 then Obama and the package will be seen as genius, regardless if the stimulus package "worked".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2009, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 02:52:27 PM
Quote
Talking Points Memo, which cited a source close to the final bill, said the provision was removed by Republican Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), one of the senators brokering the compromise.

 :teehee

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whisteblower_protections_stripped_from_stimulus_bill_0212.html

oh those rascals!



lmfao, SD should just give up

Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:01:12 PM
You just can't make this stuff up.

Well, you gave it your best shot
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
I read (on TPM?) that the centrists behind the Senate compromise are all from states with governors of the opposite party.  That would go a long way towards explaining why they cut the state aid in half, despite it being some of the most effective spending.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
Poor sd, in 2012 when the economy is showing improvement shouting "BUT THE STIMULUS DIDNT WORK" will do jackshit.

Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
I'm still having trouble as to why the whistleblower protection cut was agreed to. The DEMs are writing it. Why don't they put it in?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
I'm still having trouble as to why the whistleblower protection cut was agreed to. The DEMs are writing it. Why don't they put it in?
Because they need the 3 republican senators and one of them wanted it out?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2009, 03:22:04 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:20:55 PM
I'm still having trouble as to why the whistleblower protection cut was agreed to. The DEMs are writing it. Why don't they put it in?

If only they'd gotten a 60 seat majority, right SD?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer
There's still gotta be some way to blame this on the other team, right?

You gotta admire his tenacity.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 03:25:00 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
Poor sd, in 2012 when the economy is showing improvement shouting "BUT THE STIMULUS DIDNT WORK" will do jackshit.

Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.

Show me a time when the economy didn't bounce back from a recession? Heck, Bush Sr. didn't do a damn thing during his (because he didn't believe it existed) and it still bounced back.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 03:28:56 PM
i wonder if we could create a moral outrage bubble of some sort?

"guys, outrage NEVER goes down!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.

I don't know.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7880189.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7880189.stm)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10158959-38.html (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10158959-38.html)

Some smart people are saying some really scary things.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2009, 03:30:59 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 03:28:56 PM
i wonder if we could create a moral outrage bubble of some sort?

"guys, outrage NEVER goes down!"

GET ME 10K SHARES OF RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION!  IT'S GOING THROUGH THE ROOF!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:38:05 PM
The TPM thing is weird.

http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=1161 (http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=1161)

Why would she sponsor that, but want it taken out for the stimulus? Something isn't adding up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on February 12, 2009, 03:43:13 PM
Just throwin this out there, but how can you be both a socialist and an elitist?

you guys is weird  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
Judd Gregg has withdrawn his nomination for Commerce Secretary.

Cites 2010 Census Obama power grab as one of the reasons...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
Fuck Gregg then. After the dirty politics Tom Delay and friends did with redistricting after the last census republicans have forfeited any right to complain about the White House doing this.

Glad the White House has far more in control over this, we need to make sure hispanics and other minorities get better representation in the House. This census should do that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 04:49:16 PM
:piss http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29165435/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29165435/) :piss2

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
Fuck Gregg then. After the dirty politics Tom Delay and friends did with redistricting after the last census republicans have forfeited any right to complain about the White House doing this.

Glad the White House has far more in control over this, we need to make sure hispanics and other minorities get better representation in the House. This census should do that.

Where's the CHANGE in preforming Delay-lite feats of census trickeration?  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 12, 2009, 04:52:41 PM
Quote
i wonder if we could create a moral outrage bubble of some sort?

"guys, outrage NEVER goes down!"

genius.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2009, 04:58:01 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 04:49:16 PM
:piss http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29165435/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29165435/) :piss2

 
I could piss on the subsidization part too, but banks need to let people re-structure loans. Fuck the banks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 05:10:45 PM
Quote
About half-way through President Obama's press conference Monday night, he
had an unscripted question of his own. "All, Chuck Todd," the President
said, referring to NBC's White House correspondent. "Where's Chuck?" He had
the same strange question about Fox News's Major Garrett: "Where's Major?"

The problem wasn't the lighting in the East Room. The President was running
down a list of reporters preselected to ask questions. The White House had
decided in advance who would be allowed to question the President and who
was left out.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123431418276770899.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 12, 2009, 05:17:39 PM
That's par for the course, though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 12, 2009, 05:40:25 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:38:05 PM
The TPM thing is weird.

http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=1161 (http://www.whistleblower.org/content/press_detail.cfm?press_id=1161)

Why would she sponsor that, but want it taken out for the stimulus? Something isn't adding up.

a fat halliburton check
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 05:56:44 PM
WSJ article about press conferences owned:
Quote
However, one line stood out with critics: “We doubt that President Bush, who was notorious for being parsimonious with follow-ups, would have gotten away with prescreening his interlocutors.”

Of course, Bush did prescreen reporters. Media Matters noted that Bush joked in a press conference once about it being scripted. And on Monday night, Ari Fleischer talked on Fox about preparing a list or reporters before the president's press conferences.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 06:03:29 PM
JEFF GANNON!

How soon they forget.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 12, 2009, 06:04:38 PM
christ it never bothered me when bush did it, it's not going to bother me now.

you don't care about this blatant manipulation of the fourth estate?

tsk tsk tsk
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 06:16:41 PM
that's good because wait until you read THIS

World Tribune
February 12, 2009

The following is based on a report by Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in Media.

Elite members of the World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting in Davos,
Switzerland, recently considered a proposal for a new global television
network
to usher in a state of "global governance." The concept strikes some as
authoritarian, even totalitarian. But the parent company of Fox News was one
of the sponsors of this year's gathering. ShareThis

The media proposal, which was included in "The Global Agenda 2009" report,
is to create "a new global network" with "the capacity to connect the world,
bridging cultures and peoples, and telling us who we are and what we mean to
each other." Several prominent U.S. media figures signed on to the alarming
and controversial proposal.

Isn't it nice that we might have a TV network telling us "who we are?" And
"what we mean to each other?" Perhaps we will learn that we are global
citizens. Perhaps a global leader of some sort will tell us that. Who might
that be?

This proposal doesn't come from a fringe organization. The WEF is an
exclusive club of very rich and powerful people from around the world. It
describes itself as "an independent international organization committed to
improving the state of the world by engaging leaders in partnerships to
shape global, regional and industry agendas."

This year's conference featured speeches by U.N. Secretary-General Ban
Ki-moon and Chinese Premier We Jiabao. Many U.S. corporations, including
some getting Wall Street bailout money, were sponsors. News Corporation, the
parent of Fox News, was a "strategic partner" of the event.

http://www.congresscheck.com/2009/02/12/global-elite-consider-television-network-to-%E2%80%9Ctell-us-who-we-are%E2%80%9D/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 12, 2009, 06:04:38 PM
christ it never bothered me when bush did it, it's not going to bother me now.
It makes no sense to get upset about. It's not like they tell him the questions before hand. It's basically just purely done to make sure the president calls on all the major media outlets and doesn't forget any.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 12, 2009, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 12, 2009, 06:19:01 PM
o you're pulling my leg :-\

that's what you say now

in the future, they will be pulling your legs to aid you to your death on the gallows!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 12, 2009, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 03:29:07 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 03:18:57 PM
Unless you actually think there will be no improvement at all for 5 years straight.

I don't know.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7880189.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7880189.stm)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10158959-38.html (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10158959-38.html)

Some smart people are saying some really scary things.

Ballmer counts as a smart person?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 12, 2009, 07:05:23 PM
Quote
Ballmer counts as a smart person?

(http://indarktrees.com/pics/kanji_av1.JPG)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
+1 dem senate seat in 2010
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 12, 2009, 07:55:34 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 12, 2009, 07:46:19 PM
this judd gregg guy is a pretty big pussy.
holy shit, his name is judge dredd? how can he be a pussy with a name like that? badass.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 08:00:21 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/12/msnbc-anchor-peter-alexan_n_166449.html
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 08:35:12 PM
poligaf in hysterics is funny/sad. It's funad.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2009, 08:45:38 PM
PoliGAF in general makes me LOL.

It is pretty obvious Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert does their thinking for them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 08:56:22 PM
Quote
It's hard not to think that Gregg's withdrawal, with the grumbling about the census and the stimulus, was not timed to cause the most damage possible to the Obama administration. Releasing the statement just as Obama took the stage in Peoria was clearly designed to undermine the President's event. The fact he scheduled a presser only seems to confirm it. The classy exit would have been to wait til tomorrow afternoon to quietly bow out. Basically Gregg decided not just to politely decline, but rather to blow shit up and burn the bridge behind him. Do not think this portends good things for the wider political climate.

If the larger GOP strategy can be describe as putting all of their chips on "FAIL", this has to be seen as a significant addition to that pile, no?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/02/timing.php

Obama can always hang his hat on the fact that he tried playing nice with them. Perhaps the three republicans who voted for the stimulus can be counted on as allies in the future as well, maybe even new republicans will support legislation that they agree with. But by and large it looks like the republicans entire goal is to block any and every shot Obama takes.

If they had a coherent argument against the stimulus, or against just about anything, I could understand their actions. But right now it really looks like their mission is to just clog shit up
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 12, 2009, 09:28:43 PM
When Bill Clinton won Republicans for 8 years straight tried to undermine him and kicked and screamed about every damn thing he did.

And now that Obama won it took less than a month for Republicans to unify to try to undermine Obama nonstop like they did in the 90's.

What the hell is it with Republicans in Congress never wanting to work with Democratic presidents? Hell when Bush won Democrats in congress basically rolled over and hid under a rock.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2009, 09:31:08 PM
Republicans have balls though. They don't like something, they annihilate it. Dems don't like something they cry, then cave.

and lol
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/02/diaper-dave-vitter-suggests-obama-wants-dictatorship

This guy pops off almost every day wtf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 12, 2009, 09:31:41 PM
Republicans are children and anything that slightly deviates from their own views is seen as scary and radical, so they bunch together and refuse to move.

It's not balls, it's immaturity.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2009, 11:05:29 PM
I never understood why people thought the Dems were spineless. Now I know what they are talking about.

Working together is good. But when the repubs have the 'my way or the highway' attitude, fuck them and their constituents. They will go kicking and screaming into obscurity.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2009, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 12, 2009, 11:05:29 PM
I never understood why people thought the Dems were spineless. Now I know what they are talking about.

Working together is good. But when the repubs have the 'my way or the highway' attitude, fuck them and their constituents. They will go kicking and screaming into obscurity.

It's funny, the Dem in a leadership position with the most balls is Pelosi.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 12, 2009, 11:13:55 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html)

LMFAO 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 11:17:38 PM
How can anyone feel good about this stimulus bill? Sheesh.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96A51G80&show_article=1

What about us brain dead slobs? You'll be given cushy jobs! Mono-rail! Mono-rail!




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2009, 11:38:20 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 12, 2009, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 12, 2009, 11:05:29 PM
I never understood why people thought the Dems were spineless. Now I know what they are talking about.

Working together is good. But when the repubs have the 'my way or the highway' attitude, fuck them and their constituents. They will go kicking and screaming into obscurity.

It's funny, the Dem in a leadership position with the most balls is Pelosi.

Don't taunt me man.  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 11:43:14 PM
TA: Weren't you talking about how there should be more infrastructure spending?  Or am I misreading you?

Green Shinobi:  It's bad if they use the AMT patch to justify cutting other parts of the bill, but by itself it's the fair thing to do.  It was only intended to keep a small amount of super-rich families from tax-dodging, not to raise the rates on the upper-middle class.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
I know I shouldn't complain, but I'd rather see the money spent towards bridges and highways.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2009, 11:47:44 PM
Oh man, this is about how The Left is pushing pseudoscience in a hidden agenda to force everyone to ride public transit, leading to an egalitarian society, isn't it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2009, 11:49:09 PM
Nah, it's just selfishness. Any new rail is most likely to be built on the coasts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2009, 12:11:20 AM
Fair enough.  The denser parts of the midwest really should get better train service, though.  DC to Chicago is 17 hours, and I'm tired of the dirty Euros laughing at us for our shitty rail system.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: lordmaji on February 13, 2009, 12:15:00 AM
HI... I'm Obama.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 13, 2009, 12:20:17 AM
st. louis <-> chicago and seattle <-> portland supertrains plz

i think these things take like a decade+ to build anyway though :(

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 13, 2009, 12:42:18 AM
ATL <-> Birmingham
ATL <-> Orlando
ATL <-> Charlotte


Plane crash in Buffalo. 49 peeps on board...  :(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 01:06:09 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 13, 2009, 01:01:54 AM
We're gonna need this shit sooner rather than later once the gas starts to run out. Unless of course some major progress is made in the area of alternative fuel research.

It's not going to happen.  Too many people (in government and out of government) are concerned with immediate results to their investments.  Being proactive on something that will be an issue in 10 or 20 years isn't even on the table for way too many people.  We won't worry about gas problems until they have already been shitting in our mouth for a while.  Again.  What did Obama call this?  Shock and trance or whatever?  Well, even his brother Magic Negro Will Smith wouldn't be able to change that particular effect.  We're too used to instant gratification.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:30:35 AM
Recently the Taylor Nelson Sofres agency conducted a sociological study in 7 European countries for the American Anti-Defamation League (ADL) which discovered interesting findings. 3500 people (500 representatives from each country ) from Austria, France, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, Poland and Spain shared their views on who’s to blame for the crunch of the world’s finance.

31% of Europeans are sure that Jews made the crisis possible and 41% agree that Jews have excessive power on the world’s financial markets (74% of Spaniards and 67% of Hungarians support this point of view). The survey found that so-called “business anti-Semitism” has grown by 5% in France, 6% in Poland and 7% in Hungary since 2007.





Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 01:39:41 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:30:35 AM
Recently the Taylor Nelson Sofres agency conducted a sociological study in 7 European countries for the American Anti-Defamation League (ADL) which discovered interesting findings. 3500 people (500 representatives from each country ) from Austria, France, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, Poland and Spain shared their views on who’s to blame for the crunch of the world’s finance.

31% of Europeans are sure that Jews made the crisis possible and 41% agree that Jews have excessive power on the world’s financial markets (74% of Spaniards and 67% of Hungarians support this point of view). The survey found that so-called “business anti-Semitism” has grown by 5% in France, 6% in Poland and 7% in Hungary since 2007.

While I would not be surprised. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#New_antisemitism_controversy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:47:57 AM
Here's a link for the full study
http://www.speroforum.com/a/18122/Europeans-blame-Jews-for-economic-crisis
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 07:20:59 AM
man, even Europe is in re-runs
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 08:16:51 AM
So has the stimulus package been released to the public yet? It was supposed to be released to the public 48 hours before they voted on it. It was finally given to Congress at 11pm last night and they vote on it in about 8 hours.

yay transparency.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 08:30:07 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 08:16:51 AM
So has the stimulus package been released to the public yet? It was supposed to be released to the public 48 hours before they voted on it. It was finally given to Congress at 11pm last night and they vote on it in about 8 hours.

yay transparency.


It will be put up on recovery.go :-[v you realize. And every single penny spent in it will be trackable and it will show who got that money and so forth.

So yes it will be transparent. Very transparent.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 08:49:41 AM
Remember when we complained that the patriot act was voted on before anyone got to read it....


yeah...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 09:03:54 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 08:49:41 AM
Remember when we complained that the patriot act was voted on before anyone got to read it?  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2009, 09:09:19 AM
That smiley  :lol :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: CajoleJuice on February 13, 2009, 09:09:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2009, 12:11:20 AM
Fair enough.  The denser parts of the midwest really should get better train service, though.  DC to Chicago is 17 hours, and I'm tired of the dirty Euros laughing at us for our shitty rail system.

Did anyone post that proposed high-speed rail system in here?

http://thetransportpolitic.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/envisioning-a-future-interstate-rail-network/

shit's awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 09:17:34 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/economy/stimulus_individuals/


CNN has a pretty good breakdown about how the stimulus will put money into your pocket.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on February 13, 2009, 09:22:41 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 12, 2009, 11:10:55 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 12, 2009, 11:05:29 PM
I never understood why people thought the Dems were spineless. Now I know what they are talking about.

Working together is good. But when the repubs have the 'my way or the highway' attitude, fuck them and their constituents. They will go kicking and screaming into obscurity.

It's funny, the Dem in a leadership position with the most balls is Pelosi.

That's not surprising at all, considering how Italian women tend to be...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 13, 2009, 09:33:06 AM
Is that anti-Semite poll on the last page credible? If so, wow man

Quote from: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 08:30:07 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 08:16:51 AM
So has the stimulus package been released to the public yet? It was supposed to be released to the public 48 hours before they voted on it. It was finally given to Congress at 11pm last night and they vote on it in about 8 hours.

yay transparency.


It will be put up on recovery.go :-[v you realize. And every single penny spent in it will be trackable and it will show who got that money and so forth.

So yes it will be transparent. Very transparent.

Yea but all legislation was supposed to be put up on the web with open comments before Obama enacted it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 09:33:52 AM
ugh

i can't even imagine the open comments on that

i mean, if youtube is enough to go by...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 11:35:30 AM
I was thinking about that hedge fund manager that wrote that big FU letter and dissolved his fund back in October. Rereading again was kind of interesting.


Quote
On the issue of the U.S. Government, I would like to make a modest proposal. First, I point out the obvious flaws, whereby legislation was repeatedly brought forth to Congress over the past eight years, which would have reigned in the predatory lending practices of now mostly defunct institutions. These institutions regularly filled the coffers of both parties in return for voting down all of this legislation designed to protect the common citizen. This is an outrage, yet no one seems to know or care about it. Since Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith passed, I would argue that there has been a dearth of worthy philosophers in this country, at least ones focused on improving government. Capitalism worked for two hundred years, but times change, and systems become corrupt. George Soros, a man of staggering wealth, has stated that he would like to be remembered as a philosopher. My suggestion is that this great man start and sponsor a forum for great minds to come together to create a new system of government that truly represents the common man's interest, while at the same time creating rewards great enough to attract the best and brightest minds to serve in government roles without having to rely on corruption to further their interests or lifestyles. This forum could be similar to the one used to create the operating system, Linux, which competes with Microsoft's near monopoly. I believe there is an answer, but for now the system is clearly broken.

http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/daily-brief/2008/10/17/hedge-fund-manager-goodbye-and-f-you
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 12:48:27 PM
Awesome, thanks Barry!
Quote
wireless and broadband deployment grant programs

(including transfer of funds to eznark for the eznark Personal Economic Stimulus Program)

      For necessary and unnecessary expenses related to the Wireless and Broadband Deployment Grant Programs established by section 6002 of division B of this Act, $2,825,000,000, of which $1,000,000,000 shall be for Wireless Deployment Grants and $1,825,000,000 shall be for Broadband Deployment Grants: Provided, That an additional $5000000 shall be paid directly to eznark in the form of subsidized loans that do not require repayment. Provided Further, That the funds be used by eznark to bidniz or for whatever. Provided Even Further, That eznark will receive free Brewers tickets for life. Provided Even Further Still, That eznark shall be treated as a cabinet-level appointment for the purpose of income tax reporting, and therefore no taxes shall be paid on any of the aformentioned benefits. And one more thing: Russ Feingold is hereby expelled from Congress, effective immediately upon enactment.

Get  your handout here!
http://www.reason.com/stimulus/request.php?20090213124547
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 13, 2009, 01:03:03 PM
Well, look what the cat dragged in. :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2rh5utg.jpg)

this made me lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 13, 2009, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 13, 2009, 09:33:06 AM
Is that anti-Semite poll on the last page credible? If so, wow man
It might be true that it's increasing but the numbers might not be credible.  Read TVC's link.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Actually, if you read my link you would see that the overall numbers have fallen from 2007. It's a survey that the ADL commisions from very respected marketing research firm. The sample size is 500 people per country.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
WATCH OUT WALL ST

Quote
Filmmaker Michael Moore has observed what has been going on with the American economy and detected a whiff of injustice. He has cast his eye toward the titans of Wall Street and has determined that some things went down at America's banks that were not right. So he's decided to make a movie about it, because he is the one lone voice in the wilderness brave enough to expose these scoundrels for who they truly are blah blah. Wall Street insiders with a conscience and stories to tell him should e-mail bailout@michaelmoore.com. And remember, it's not for Michael Moore, it's for America: "You have information that the American people need to hear," he writes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 13, 2009, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2rh5utg.jpg)

this made me lol

The guy who made this is an SA user. It's a damn crime that he's not syndicated, while complete hacks can phone in a cartoon and call it a day: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3012836

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Actually, if you read my link you would see that the overall numbers have fallen from 2007. It's a survey that the ADL commisions from very respected marketing research firm. The sample size is 500 people per country.

Yeah, they got a firm to do the survey itself, but they do not indicate whether they or the firm did the analysis.  Also, their official report is very light on methodology (I read it last night so I don't recall all the details, but the red stop sign for me was they did not mention sample selection at all).  Combine that and their rep, and it's not a very authoritative study.

Again, I wouldn't doubt what they are saying, but it's coming from an organization that has been pushing a controversial agenda (agenda might be the wrong word but I'm a-busy at work atm) for 30+ years that these findings happen to support.  It definitely casts a shadow on their results.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on February 13, 2009, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
WATCH OUT WALL ST

Quote
Filmmaker Michael Moore has observed what has been going on with the American economy and detected a whiff of injustice. He has cast his eye toward the titans of Wall Street and has determined that some things went down at America's banks that were not right. So he's decided to make a movie about it, because he is the one lone voice in the wilderness brave enough to expose these scoundrels for who they truly are blah blah. Wall Street insiders with a conscience and stories to tell him should e-mail bailout@michaelmoore.com. And remember, it's not for Michael Moore, it's for America: "You have information that the American people need to hear," he writes.

Well at least his coming to NYC will mean good business for all those hot dog stands.  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smug.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 01:59:45 PM
omg i went to papayaking for lunch yesterday

fucking awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on February 13, 2009, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 01:45:19 PM
Actually, if you read my link you would see that the overall numbers have fallen from 2007. It's a survey that the ADL commisions from very respected marketing research firm. The sample size is 500 people per country.

Yeah, they got a firm to do the survey itself, but they do not indicate whether they or the firm did the analysis.  Also, their official report is very light on methodology (I read it last night so I don't recall all the details, but the red stop sign for me was they did not mention sample selection at all).  Combine that and their rep, and it's not a very authoritative study.

Again, I wouldn't doubt what they are saying, but it's coming from an organization that has been pushing a controversial agenda (agenda might be the wrong word but I'm a-busy at work atm) for 30+ years that these findings happen to support.  It definitely casts a shadow on their results.

Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 13, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
Michael Moore is so full of himself.  He makes himself sound like a superhero.

MICHAEL MOORE HAS DETECTED INJUSTICE! NOW YOU'VE MESSED WITH THE BULL AND YOU WILL GET THE HORNS - OF JUSTICE!!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 02:04:32 PM
Quote from: Willco on February 13, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
Michael Moore is so full of himself.  He makes himself sound like a superhero.

MICHAEL MOORE HAS DETECTED INJUSTICE! NOW YOU'VE MESSED WITH THE BULL AND YOU WILL GET THE HORNS - OF JUSTICE!!!

"WHAT! KRISPY KREME IS CLOSE TO SHUTTING DOWN?  I MUST GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 13, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
YOU HAVE HIT HOME, WALL STREET AND NOW FROM HELL'S HEART, I STAB AT THEE.

FOR HATE'S SAKE, I SPIT MY LAST BREATH AT THEE.

NOBODY FUCKS WITH MY DONUTS!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 02:08:06 PM
I think it's cute Michael Moore still thinks he is relevant.  That last hit job of his sure had a staggering affect on health care.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 13, 2009, 02:08:06 PM
I think it's cute Michael Moore still thinks he is relevant.  That last hit job of his sure had a staggering affect on health care.

He's released a movie since then, and nobody paid attention.  That said, it was released for free, so everyone probably just ignored it.  I know I did.

Sicko pissed me off to no end because he could have made a good case for universal healthcare, but his fat ass had to slant the whole thing up and make the movie easy to attack.  That could have been a slam dunk.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 13, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
Did we ever like Michael Moore?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Looks like Republicans have officially killed bipartisanship with Obama once and for all. Politico is reporting that Obama will no longer focus on trying to work with Republicans but will spend more time on the trail doing more town halls.

Quote
Politico: Obama to Seize on Bolder Strategy

The president reportedly plans to be tougher selling the next stages of his economic agenda than he was with the stimulus.

Expected to travel more and worry less about winning over Republican votes.

Wise move, Republicans killed bipartisanship so Obama is going to focus on what he does best, doing big events in front of the public. Better to try and win the public than the republicans in congress.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 02:19:37 PM
Quote from: Willco on February 13, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
Did we ever like Michael Moore?

His TV shows were pretty good, but he didn't take himself as seriously back then.  For the most part. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 13, 2009, 02:20:32 PM
Stimulus bill just passed in house...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
Quote from: Willco on February 13, 2009, 02:12:50 PM
Did we ever like Michael Moore?

tv nation was pretty good at time
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 13, 2009, 02:24:20 PM
Looks like zero REPs again...

One present vote. (Guess they gave Obama an honorary vote)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 02:32:11 PM
Barry has put on the big gloves this time, and they fit
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18827.html

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 13, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
"Bipartisanship" died with Aaron Burr cheebs.

Glad the GOP was able to stick together in the house.  It's a damn shame no one has challenged Snowe to a duel.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 13, 2009, 02:29:38 PM

who needs em.

Exactly. They never did, but had to make it look like they were impeding the process.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 13, 2009, 02:29:38 PM

who needs em.

Exactly. They never did, but had to make it look like they were impeding the process.



You think that's the way they thought of it?  Maybe some of the hardcore libs, but I genuinly think Obama was trying to reach out.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 13, 2009, 02:29:38 PM

who needs em.

Exactly. They never did, but had to make it look like they were impeding the process.



You think that's the way they thought of it?  Maybe some of the hardcore libs, but I genuinly think Obama was trying to reach out.

looks like you bought what he was sellin'

 :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 13, 2009, 02:44:31 PM
"Bipartisanship" died with Aaron Burr cheebs.

Glad the GOP was able to stick together in the house.  It's a damn shame no one has challenged Snowe to a duel.

permabanned from GAF?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2009, 03:24:24 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 03:06:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 13, 2009, 02:29:38 PM

who needs em.

Exactly. They never did, but had to make it look like they were impeding the process.



You think that's the way they thought of it?  Maybe some of the hardcore libs, but I genuinly think Obama was trying to reach out.

looks like you bought what he was sellin'

 :smug

:smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 01:10:57 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2rh5utg.jpg)

this made me lol

so awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2009, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on February 13, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
Quote from: Willco on February 13, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
Michael Moore is so full of himself.  He makes himself sound like a superhero.



This is how I think of you when you tell one of your work stories.
Bitter accountant is bitter.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 03:27:36 PM
bitter factory worker is a factory worker

accounting  :tophat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2009, 03:28:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 03:27:36 PM
bitter factory worker is a factory worker
That troll doesn't even make sense.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 03:30:02 PM
your reverse trolling isn't working
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
you're not working
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 03:32:41 PM
Father Mike contracted to write GOP Valentine's Day cards

(http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/obama4.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 03:02:21 PM

You think that's the way they thought of it?  Maybe some of the hardcore libs, but I genuinly think Obama was trying to reach out.

You think Obama made his speech in Elkhart, Indiana because it is a nice place to visit in February?

lol at that Valentines Day card.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Just because I give you wood, doesn't mean I'm a lumberjack.  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 13, 2009, 05:55:10 PM
Watching the Senate vote on CSPAN. Both Snowe and Collins voted for it. So, I guess that's it and its now a done deal. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 03:32:41 PM
Father Mike contracted to write GOP Valentine's Day cards

(http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/obama4.jpg)

Officially from the GOP? Wow

The 2010 census is going to be a riot
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 06:14:57 PM
Yep.

The second Hispanic areas get some more representation after the 2010 census redistricting Lou Dobbs and the rest will claim Obama's White House counted DEM ILLEGALS in the census. Just you wait.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
I hope I live a short but fulfilling life and  I die right before our chuldren have to start paying for everything in the bill!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 13, 2009, 06:30:24 PM
Quote
ACORN will be sending you Valentine's

They'll be sending me the day of Valentine? SMH, GOP, SMH.

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
I hope I live a short but fulfilling life and  I die right before our chuldren have to start paying for everything in the bill!

look someone who doesn't know how spending works
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
Call me old fashioned but I dont buy much without actually having the money first. I guess im from the age of the dinosaurs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 06:38:04 PM
How much did the stimulus bill end up costing? 800 billion? How is the fed going to repay this? There are two ways. Increase revenue (taxes) or print more money which will cause massive inflation.

All I'm saying is that I will have long gone on a meth binge or eaten by sharks before the government decides to do either.

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 06:42:10 PM
Does anyone else think this emote looks like "I just let a big silent fart out"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2009, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 03:02:21 PM

You think that's the way they thought of it?  Maybe some of the hardcore libs, but I genuinly think Obama was trying to reach out.

You think Obama made his speech in Elkhart, Indiana because it is a nice place to visit in February?

lol at that Valentines Day card.

I think you're applying Occam's Pretzel here, like you did in the Graeme Frost case.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on February 13, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2009, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 03:33:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2009, 03:02:21 PM

You think that's the way they thought of it?  Maybe some of the hardcore libs, but I genuinly think Obama was trying to reach out.

You think Obama made his speech in Elkhart, Indiana because it is a nice place to visit in February?

lol at that Valentines Day card.

I think you're applying Occam's Pretzel here, like you did in the Graeme Frost case.

LOL. Mind if I steal that?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 13, 2009, 07:16:50 PM
FoC can't even use that emote right
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
That what happens when you can't understand spending
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on February 13, 2009, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 13, 2009, 01:59:45 PM
omg i went to papayaking for lunch yesterday

fucking awesome

:bow recession special :bow2

edit: actually I think the recession special is gray's papaya...

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:bow papaya affiliated hot dog joints in manhattan :bow2
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2009, 07:58:55 PM
According to Arlen Specter, more GOP Senators support the stimulus but didn't vote for it because they're pussies. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/13/specter-republicans-suppo_n_166875.html)

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Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), who broke with his party to support President Obama's stimulus package last week, said before the final vote Friday that more of his colleagues would have joined were they not afraid of the political consequences.

"When I came back to the cloak room after coming to the agreement a week ago today," said Specter, "one of my colleagues said, 'Arlen, I'm proud of you.' My Republican colleague said, 'Arlen, I'm proud of you.' I said, 'Are you going to vote with me?' And he said, 'No, I might have a primary.' And I said, 'Well, you know very well I'm going to have a primary.'"

Country first!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 08:05:57 PM
dunno if the hair has grown back down there, but he definitely has balls :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Specter won his primary in  2004 by 51-49, barely squeaked by. And with this move he is going to have a hell of primary battle facing him soon.


Good for him. This is what real politicians need to do. I disagree with Specter  on most things but man, this is what a fucking senator is elected to do.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on February 13, 2009, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
I hope I live a short but fulfilling life and  I die right before our chuldren have to start paying for everything in the bill!

You do realize that the US has been in debt for a long ass time, right?  It's not like this is anything new.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
The thing is, if PA didn't have closed primaries Specter would probably win his primary.  But indies can't vote in PA primaries, and the PA GOP has been bleeding membership for the past couple of cycles so all that's left are the nuttiest of wingnuts.  Basically, if Specter loses that seat is guaranteed to flip because PA at large isn't interested in another Rick Santorum.

Other states liable to flip to blue- OH, FL, MO and now NH where all four have retiring GOP Senators.

Cohen- you forgot the obligatory :libertariansmug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer on February 13, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 13, 2009, 07:58:55 PM
According to Arlen Specter, more GOP Senators support the stimulus but didn't vote for it because they're pussies. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/13/specter-republicans-suppo_n_166875.html)

Quote
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), who broke with his party to support President Obama's stimulus package last week, said before the final vote Friday that more of his colleagues would have joined were they not afraid of the political consequences.

"When I came back to the cloak room after coming to the agreement a week ago today," said Specter, "one of my colleagues said, 'Arlen, I'm proud of you.' My Republican colleague said, 'Arlen, I'm proud of you.' I said, 'Are you going to vote with me?' And he said, 'No, I might have a primary.' And I said, 'Well, you know very well I'm going to have a primary.'"

Country first!

God, that's bullshit.

Bullshit?

Specter didn't do this for political reasons. His vote is near suicidal for him politically. His problem is not the general election in PA, he doesn't need to work with Democrats to win his seat or whatever. His problem is the primary, he won his primary in 2004 51-49. 2% that's it. And the type of Republicans that are still left in PA who didn't leave the party are the wacko right-wingers. And his vote on this is a huge problem for him in a already tough primary fight. If he was doing it for "bullshit" political reasons he would have voted against it, his problem in PA is keeping the Republicans in line and this vote hurts him on that.

So no, what he did and said is not bullshit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 09:12:03 PM
Wait you are probably calling the rest of the GOP when you said bullshit aren't you? Ugh. I don't care I needed an excuse to defend Specter some more anyway.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 13, 2009, 09:24:51 PM
That Valentine's Day card is pretty good.

A while back, I had an electric lineman talk to me for a while about Obama and ACORN.  Apparently ACORN is an organization hellbent on trying to take over the world.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 09:29:54 PM
This looks pretty.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SY9Py5JXdeI/AAAAAAAAA54/gBG4-BuQn-I/S1600-R/2010feb.PNG)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 13, 2009, 09:35:12 PM
Dems will be getting a supermajority in 2010.

The GOP has no chance.  If the stimulus fails, it can be blamed on the GOP because they wanted to take a lot of important provisions out.  Plus this was the party that backed Bush.  Americans can be forgetful but not after just two years.  If the economy gets better by even a hair, it will be called as an Obama victory (whether he did anything to it or not).  The GOP on the other hand is focusing on ACORN.  This is a party that seems focused on shooting themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 09:10:43 PM
Quote from: Spencer on February 13, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 13, 2009, 07:58:55 PM
According to Arlen Specter, more GOP Senators support the stimulus but didn't vote for it because they're pussies. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/13/specter-republicans-suppo_n_166875.html)

Quote
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), who broke with his party to support President Obama's stimulus package last week, said before the final vote Friday that more of his colleagues would have joined were they not afraid of the political consequences.

"When I came back to the cloak room after coming to the agreement a week ago today," said Specter, "one of my colleagues said, 'Arlen, I'm proud of you.' My Republican colleague said, 'Arlen, I'm proud of you.' I said, 'Are you going to vote with me?' And he said, 'No, I might have a primary.' And I said, 'Well, you know very well I'm going to have a primary.'"

Country first!

God, that's bullshit.

Bullshit?

Specter didn't do this for political reasons. His vote is near suicidal for him politically. His problem is not the general election in PA, he doesn't need to work with Democrats to win his seat or whatever. His problem is the primary, he won his primary in 2004 51-49. 2% that's it. And the type of Republicans that are still left in PA who didn't leave the party are the wacko right-wingers. And his vote on this is a huge problem for him in a already tough primary fight. If he was doing it for "bullshit" political reasons he would have voted against it, his problem in PA is keeping the Republicans in line and this vote hurts him on that.

So no, what he did and said is not bullshit.

Pretty sure he means the republican's actions were bullshit, not Specter's.

even Chris Matthews could beat whatever fundie bastard replaces Specter
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 13, 2009, 10:20:00 PM
That is the meaning of conservatism.

Times will change but the belief doesn't.

A changing of the guard is upon us.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
So their entire strategy basically boils down to "always bet against black" smh. Sure if the stimulus is a massive fail the vote could end up being their equivalent to the Iraq war resolution vote for dems like Obama, but if it works or is even perceived as working they're kinda fucked
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
It doesn't bother anyone here that they voted on a 1200 page bill that they didn't even read? Wasn't there a whole section in fahrenheit 9/11 about voting on the patriot act without seeing it?

SMH at hypocrites
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 13, 2009, 10:20:00 PM
That is the meaning of conservatism.

Times will change but the belief doesn't.

A changing of the guard is upon us.

Read some Burke.  I'm by no means a classical or modern movement conservative, but they didn't always used to be this dumb and intractable.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

on a political scale how much does it bother you?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 10:40:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2009, 06:53:35 PM

I think you're applying Occam's Pretzel here, like you did in the Graeme Frost case.

mmm hmmmm
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2009, 10:43:43 PM
so my Republican senator voted against the stimulus bill, but she's telling local groups here in Alaska to get their shit together so they can grab some of dat sweet Obama monies (http://www.adn.com/front/story/689075.html).
Quote from: Anchorage Daily News
"All last week, we would have different groups come in, whether it is people advocating for Head Start and Child Care, to folks from Chevak. Everybody kind of wants to know: 'What would be in it for us' " said Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, who despite the pleas, intends to vote against the stimulus package...
Although Murkowski doesn't intend to vote for the stimulus package, she said she does like some provisions in it, including money that could help pay for hospitals in Barrow and Nome. She said she has told groups such as the Alaska Federation of Natives to "get your grant writers ready" despite her own trepidations about the bill.

"I'm looking at what is moving forward now," Murkowski said. "The votes are clearly there for passage of the economic stimulus. And I think our job now is to do our darnedest to make sure the dollars are being directed to the agencies, out to the states, that we really ensure that there's a level of accountability, and to the fullest extent possible, that we're making sure that those dollars are being spent in a matter that's going to help people."

(http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/01/21/21/448-4164998.5093.original.graphic_large.prod_affiliate.7.jpg)
"Does my state want the money?  Sure.  Will it be spent on cool stuff like building new hospitals?  yeah I guess.  Will I vote for it?  Absolutely not.

Anger, building...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2009, 10:46:54 PM
http://fora.tv/2009/02/04/Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_Pluto_Files#Neil_deGrasse_Tyson_Bush_Innocent_in_War_on_Science
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2009, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

on a political scale how much does it bother you?

On a scale of 1-10, I'd say it's about a 3.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 13, 2009, 11:25:44 PM
And its not like the 1k pages are magically new stuff thrown out there. It's a mix of the senate and house bills that passed a week ago. So they know the material and have read it Complaining they haven't read it was just a political ploy, not anything real.


Anyway, the awesome Debbie Wasserman Schultz completely annalihated the Republican she was arguging with on Hardball. She stated exactly how much money his district is personally getting from the stimulus and exactly what was getting the money, like school funding etc. She completely caught him and chris matthews off guard.  :lol




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

Pretty sure that promise only guaranteed that for bills that weren't considered emergencies by the administration, which this obviously is.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Oh and seeing how FoC feels the need to show up in this thread again I think it is time we brush up on some of his political views.

How about those times he claimed ending slavery wasn't that important?
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the way in which america ended slavery was clearly not the right thing
Quote
the civil war was not worth ending slavery

Or when he compared the Iraq War to the Civl War?
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So you supported the Civil war, but not the Iraq war because the slaves were in America? :smug


Here are some lovely opinions as well:

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give me an evangelical republican over a socialist any day. :smug
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I'd rather have Huckabee than Hillary any day of the week  :smug

I don't even have a fucking clue what this means:
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Actually the reason we will never be invaded is because of our right to own guns. My history professor told me that when Mcarthur was in Japan after WW@ he asked why they didnt invade America. Their answer? It would be a door to door fight. Our Right to won guns is the reason our country will never be felled by a foreign invasion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2009, 12:18:03 AM
Quote
give me an evangelical republican over a socialist any day. :smug

omg  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 14, 2009, 12:48:43 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
I don't even have a fucking clue what this means:
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Actually the reason we will never be invaded is because of our right to own guns. My history professor told me that when Mcarthur was in Japan after WW@ he asked why they didnt invade America. Their answer? It would be a door to door fight. Our Right to won guns is the reason our country will never be felled by a foreign invasion.

It means that FoC honestly believes that Japan didn't invade America because civilians can own guns. Not because of the population being multiple times larger, not because the American landmass stretches a continent, not because of the re-cock-ulously impossible cost of mounting an invasion against America (even Hitler thought it would be a century before America would ever be invaded), nor even because Japan never had any goddamned reason to invade America at all.

No, it's because Japan was afraid of THE MIGHTY SECOND AMENDMENT.

tl;dr: libertopians are completely ignorant of history
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 14, 2009, 12:52:12 AM
well, he did admit he favors dogmatic delusion over social responsibility
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2009, 12:53:22 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 13, 2009, 10:32:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
It does bother me. Obama broke his promise about allowing folks to comb over bills 48 hours before passed

on a political scale how much does it bother you?

meh, fuck scales. The debate has been raging for so long. Having the bill public asap would have been great.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 14, 2009, 01:46:38 AM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/

but what's this!? conservatives tell us the truth: these files are pdfs in order to HIDE THE TRUTH (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30700)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 14, 2009, 02:04:06 AM
they all seem searchable, maybe they fixed it?

I doubt it had anything to do with hiding anything, but pdf-only is kinda lame.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 14, 2009, 02:07:46 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 14, 2009, 02:04:06 AM
they all seem searchable, maybe they fixed it?

I think it's just conservatives not knowing how to use computers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 14, 2009, 07:56:12 AM
So, since the Republicans seem hell bent on screaming about how much this costs and how it's fiscally irresponsible to vote for it, blah blah blah, it's pretty instructive to look at how many Democrats were able to be persuaded browbeaten into vote for Dubya's 2001 tax cuts.

28 Congresscritters and 12 Senators. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/13/1795170.aspx)

You know, bipartisanship really doesn't work when one party is basically autistic.  Lest ye forget, a lot of these idiots are the same ones that impeached Clinton but didn't do jack about Bush and Cheney.  Oh, and the kicker?  Those tax cuts cost 1.35 trillion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 14, 2009, 08:18:36 AM
Republicans are far more "take it or leave it" than the Democrats.

Which is a shame that a number of social programs from this package took a hit.  Democrats need to be more aggressive but I guess life isn't fair.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html)

LMFAO

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html)

LMFAO

 
I hope you are laughing at the distinguished mentally-challenged congressman. Because he is way off. He acts like the public doesn't like this bill. The public is very much behind and supportive of this bill. What an idiot.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 14, 2009, 10:46:45 AM
Quote from: Crushed on February 14, 2009, 01:46:38 AM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/

but what's this!? conservatives tell us the truth: these files are pdfs in order to HIDE THE TRUTH (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30700)[/url]

:rofl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2009, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 09:55:37 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/schock-to-the-p.html)

LMFAO

 

hey, there he is again
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 10:39:28 AM
I hope you are laughing at the distinguished mentally-challenged congressman. Because he is way off. He acts like the public doesn't like this bill. The public is very much behind and supportive of this bill. What an idiot.

Bububububut Gallup!

Obama's Catepillar factory pr stunt was a complete disaster. First the CEO contradicting him and then this. Just admit it and move on.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:12:17 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 10:39:28 AM
I hope you are laughing at the distinguished mentally-challenged congressman. Because he is way off. He acts like the public doesn't like this bill. The public is very much behind and supportive of this bill. What an idiot.

Bububububut Gallup!

Obama's Catepillar factory pr stunt was a complete disaster. First the CEO contradicting him and then this. Just admit it and move on.

Or you mean every fucking poll other than rasmussen.

So if that wasn't the part you found funny then you find it hilarious a company has to lay off jobs when Obama was hopefully they could hire?

HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:12:17 PM
HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 14, 2009, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:12:17 PM
HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 
How on earth did he lie?  ???
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:12:17 PM
HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 

How are you not fucking lepered yet?  At first you were alright when the election was going on but your acting exactly like your Saviors in Congress right not: distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2009, 02:48:42 PM
Quote
EAST PEORIA, ILL. -- President Obama today repeated the claim we asked about yesterday at the press briefing that Jim Owens, the CEO of Caterpillar, Inc., "said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."

Claim: stimulus bill will allow Caterpillar to rehire workers previously laid off
Quote
Asked if the stimulus package would be able to stop the 22,000 layoffs or not, Owens said, "I think realistically no. The truth is we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again"
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/doh-caterpillar.html
Claim: stimulus bill will allow us to rehire workers, but not before we lay off more workers

Where's the lie? The only stretch of the truth here is in the article, where Tapper puts words into Obama's mouth. Obama never said Caterpillar is going to magically stop laying off people due to the almighty stimulus - he said the stimulus is going to allow them to rehire folks. Didn't give a timeline.

Also
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090213050922AACu7ah :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 14, 2009, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 14, 2009, 12:12:17 PM
HILARIOUS!! HAHAHA LOL ALL THOSE LAY OFFS

This what happens when you have no argument.

Why can't you just admit that Obama was L-Y-I-N-G to sell his plan and got caught red-handed? 
How the fuck was he lying. He said the stimulus package will alloy them to start rehiring but said there will be more layoff's first.

How the fuck is that a lie? It's just spin to find something to attack him on.

You are looking for excuses to not like  the President, find real reasons instead of digging around for misquoted nonsense and screaming LIAR LIAR LIAR.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 14, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
siamesedreamer utterly destroyed again

obama continues unbroken domination of conservatards
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 12:45:21 AM
Looks like Bush didnt lie either when he said Iraq was going to be a safer place.


spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's going to get messier before it gets safer.

-Bush redeemed in 2009?
[close]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2009, 12:46:45 AM
But it got messier after it got messier
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 12:46:52 AM
:piss :smug :piss2
            ::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 12:48:00 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 15, 2009, 12:46:45 AM
But it got messier after it got messier

Yes but eventually its going to be a safe place. Just like eventually that company will hire again. When "eventually" is? Who knows, but as long as we all forget about it by 2012 it wont matter.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2009, 12:52:46 AM
What a terrible argument.  Eventually I'll get laid.  When that happens, I will no longer be socially awkward and every girl will want to fuck. my. cock.

Like seriously, that logic is horrible.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 01:47:06 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18832.html

disgusting
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 15, 2009, 01:48:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 01:47:06 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18832.html

disgusting

you see, republicans think that counting votes is cheating
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2009, 02:00:15 AM
Poor Franken.  Fucker won that thing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 08:30:52 AM
Franken won the  election, they can't keep him out forever. He'll get in eventually. All it will do is hurt the GOP in Minnesota because it is obvious that Franken won.


And SNL destoyed the GOP last night. Dan Akyroyd as John Boehner.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 09:48:07 AM
Obama: Caterpillar to rehire if stimulus passes

Quote
The president's travel to pitch the urgency of the stimulus plan was his third day in a row to leave Washington. On Thursday, he goes to Peoria, Ill., to visit a Caterpillar manufacturing plant.

The world's largest maker of mining and construction machinery announced more than 22,000 job cuts last month amid waning demand for its products.

But Obama said the company told him Wednesday it would hire back some of those workers if the legislation passes. As House and Senate negotiators worked to reconcile differences between competing versions of the legislation, Obama spoke during a visit to a highway construction site here just outside of Washington.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29139938/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29139938/)

[youtube=560,345]W_qxVh4WMNY[/youtube]

I was watching this live Wednesday. But, apparently he wasn't lying. Its just spin. Tapper is putting words in his mouth yada yada yada.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
Because you are ignoring where he said BEFORE they can rehire there will be more layoffs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2009, 10:08:24 AM
This is the weakest political argument I've ever seen - we're arguing about semantics. 

The CEO of Caterpillar has even come out after Tapper launched his ridiculous line of questioning at the press conference to say, "Hey, Obama was right, we might be able to rehire some workers on the condition of the stimulus bill passing, along with international economic recovery and not immediately."

I also watched the Peoria conference live, and never did Obama say, "This bill passes and we hire ALL the workers IMMEDIATELY."

This is beyond dumb, siamesedreamer.  Of all the things the GOP or you could make a fuss about, this isn't it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
And it's not like Obama has been cheery and over-optimistic. He has  been constantly stating that there will be a lot more job loss before things improve and it could be over a year before we can notice any improvement.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
This is what is wrong with post-2008 Republicans. They are obsessed with party unity and 100% opposition and any Republican who goes against this unified opposition to do any sort of governing at all gets mocked. Do they actually think running a party based purely on unified opposition is what the public actually wants? If they want to win an election they need more Crist and Specter like politicians who place governing on a higher priority than party unity but noooo being UNIFIED will bring them to power somehow!

Quote
I don't think he's helped any national Republican ambitions he may have by stepping up to the plate and batting for the other team. … There's a difference between working in a bipartisan way for the common good and switching sides and putting on the other team's jersey," said veteran Republican consultant Alex Castellanos. "At the one moment when we've finally found our voice and remember who we are as Republicans, Charlie Crist forgets. It's stunning."

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 15, 2009, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
This is what is wrong with post-2008 Republicans. They are obsessed with party unity and 100% opposition and any Republican who goes against this unified opposition to do any sort of governing at all gets mocked. Do they actually think running a party based purely on unified opposition is what the public actually wants? If they want to win an election they need more Crist and Specter like politicians who place governing on a higher priority than party unity but noooo being UNIFIED will bring them to power somehow!

Quote
I don't think he's helped any national Republican ambitions he may have by stepping up to the plate and batting for the other team. … There's a difference between working in a bipartisan way for the common good and switching sides and putting on the other team's jersey," said veteran Republican consultant Alex Castellanos. "At the one moment when we've finally found our voice and remember who we are as Republicans, Charlie Crist forgets. It's stunning."



RINOS!!! They lost because they weren't conservative enough!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 02:16:19 PM
:shh Also, the governor of the most socially conservative state (Utah) just came out in favor of civil unions.  OH TEH NOES!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 02:20:11 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.

:lol :lol :lol

Tell you what, as soon as he starts a war for no damn good reason or starts wiping his ass with the Constitution in general and the 4th Amendment in particular, I'll start getting outraged.

OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE, OBAMA SAID THAT AFTER THE STIMULUS PASSED JOBS WOULD COME BACK AND SOME GUY SORT OF MAYBE CONTRADICTED HIM!  WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 15, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 15, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.

Tru dat, that's something to actually get outraged about.  Of course Republicans REALLY can't do that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2009, 03:40:21 PM
If he proceeds to do anything more about that FISA thing (which honestly I have no idea where that stands at the moment), I'll lose a bit of respect for the man, already moreso than when he voted for it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 15, 2009, 04:48:01 PM
A bit OT, but have you guys heard the Governor of South Carolina might not accepts the bailout funds.

From the WSJ
Quote
Across the country, cash-starved governors from both parties are eagerly awaiting stimulus money from Washington, hoping to stem the recession's impact on local budgets. Not Mark Sanford, South Carolina's Republican chief executive.

He lobbied against the recovery package pushed by President Barack Obama and has suggested he may not take any of the funds, sparking a dispute in his home state with Democrats and even some Republicans. The sparring is a microcosm of the broader debate taking place over the role of government in the flagging economy.

"I'm opposed to it because we are at a real gut-check point on what drives our economy," Mr. Sanford said in a recent interview. Instead of fostering a market-based economy in which bad choices have consequences, Mr. Sanford said, the U.S. is in jeopardy of creating a "savior-based economy," with the federal government careening from "one ad-hoc decision to the next."
Wow.  I can understand with not agreeing with the bailout, but to deny his funds that benefit his state seems ludicrous.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 15, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
South Carolina had a good run
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.


The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.


So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 15, 2009, 05:00:04 PM
South Carolina had a good run

Haha yeah no it didn't.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 05:59:51 PM
At least he's not a hypocrite. Most rep governor want the money badly.

Obama is trying the talking heads crazy. SD is on the verge of suicide
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.


The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.


So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

So why didnt all the spending over the Iraq war stimulate the economy? I mean all those soldiers and all the contract workers had to have their government paychecks go somewhere?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.


The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.


So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

So why didnt all the spending over the Iraq war stimulate the economy? I mean all those soldiers and all the contract workers had to have their government paychecks go somewhere?

I am just going to repost this this it wouldn't be that nice of me to try to and talk to someone who lives in Texas, they aren't that evolved down there:




Oh and seeing how FoC feels the need to show up in this thread again I think it is time we brush up on some of his political views.

How about those times he claimed ending slavery wasn't that important?
Quote
the way in which america ended slavery was clearly not the right thing
Quote
the civil war was not worth ending slavery

Or when he compared the Iraq War to the Civl War?
Quote
So you supported the Civil war, but not the Iraq war because the slaves were in America? :smug


Here are some lovely opinions as well:

Quote
give me an evangelical republican over a socialist any day. :smug
Quote
I'd rather have Huckabee than Hillary any day of the week  :smug

I don't even have a fucking clue what this means:
Quote
Actually the reason we will never be invaded is because of our right to own guns. My history professor told me that when Mcarthur was in Japan after WW@ he asked why they didnt invade America. Their answer? It would be a door to door fight. Our Right to won guns is the reason our country will never be felled by a foreign invasion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 15, 2009, 06:11:07 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 15, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
Loss for words at the Obama Defense Force.

If the first three weeks are anything to go by, its gonna be a long four years for y'all. I'll back off for a while because clearly nobody here wants to be intellectually honest.


The funding for various govt. programs of the stimulus bill alone >>>>> everything Bush did in the last 8 years.

So I hope we get more of the first 3 weeks personally!

So why didnt all the spending over the Iraq war stimulate the economy? I mean all those soldiers and all the contract workers had to have their government paychecks go somewhere?


because very little of it went to the major industries that define our economic infrastructure, unlike ww2. most of it went to military contractors and overseas manufacturing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 06:16:09 PM
How many tanks did GM produce for Iraq

smh Foc
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 15, 2009, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

It stimulated Halliburton.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 15, 2009, 06:21:41 PM
i wonder how they feel about moving their headquarters to dubai now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 06:23:42 PM
Sure. But as Drinky pointed out the financial players involved were building shit over there instead of creating jobs here, like with WWII. Private business made killings on Iraq, not businesses that are apart of our national fabric - like GM who put people back to work during that war
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 15, 2009, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

true, in certain rarified sectors, i suspect that there was a LOT of growth

buy overseas ammunition and body armor futures
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2009, 06:27:07 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 15, 2009, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

true, in certain rarified sectors, i suspect that there was a LOT of growth

buy overseas ammunition and body armor futures

We need that kind of spending on American ammunition and bottled water here in America, the only solution is to invade Texas.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 15, 2009, 06:28:32 PM
things to invest in at home:

-fingerless gloves
-tin cups
-bindles
-cans of stew
-shoe polish
-freight trains with open doors
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 15, 2009, 06:27:07 PM
We need that kind of spending on American ammunition and bottled water here in America, the only solution is to invade Texas.

Isn't America getting tired of invading dusty, backward hell-holes yet?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: y2kev on February 15, 2009, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 15, 2009, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

 body armor futures

we didn't even buy that, remember :\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
Quote from: y2kev on February 15, 2009, 06:39:34 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 15, 2009, 06:24:05 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

 body armor futures

we didn't even buy that, remember :\

Just stimulating the body-bag industry.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on February 15, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 01:47:06 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18832.html

disgusting

Yeah. Sadly not surprising at all, and clearly marked with desperation. The remark that they should exercise their Constitutional powers to seat Franken is hopeful. I still feel like, despite the clear message the public sent in 2006, the democratic congress has been stunningly sessile.

This is a chance to get one big step closer to having a 2/3rd gov't majority, where the Bush administration was able to abuse their monopoly of three branches over the majority of their time in power. I would like to see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. Or two-thirds on the other foot.

And to whomever referenced Obama desiring to be a "dictator," that was actually Bush... and he retreated into a bastardized definition of Unitary Executive after someone told him that "dictator" has a negative nuance.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

How do you know it didnt save 500,000 jobs?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851)

Quote
As the Obama administration pushes through Congress its $800 billion deficit-spending economic stimulus plan, the American public is largely unaware that the true deficit of the federal government already is measured in trillions of dollars, and in fact its $65.5 trillion in total obligations exceeds the gross domestic product of the world.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 08:48:03 PM
HOLY SHIT 65 TRILLION WHERE DID THAT COME FROM WTF OBAMA
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 08:52:10 PM
OMG MY CHILDREN WILL BE SLAVES FOR THE CHINESE IN TWENTY YEARS

OBAMA WTF
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: Malek on February 15, 2009, 06:19:21 PM
It's not inconceivable that the Iraq war did stimulate the economy somewhat, just not very efficiently.

How do you know it didnt save 500,000 jobs? :smug

Military spending helps create jobs for firms that produce weapons, ammunition, and other military supplies and services. Military bases have large impacts on local economies. Nevertheless military spending diverts money from more productive uses. Blowing shit up is not a productive way to spend money and a poor long-term investment. So comparing the potential economic stimulus of military spending to infrastructure or education spending, for example, is disingenuous.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 15, 2009, 09:13:11 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851)

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As the Obama administration pushes through Congress its $800 billion deficit-spending economic stimulus plan, the American public is largely unaware that the true deficit of the federal government already is measured in trillions of dollars, and in fact its $65.5 trillion in total obligations exceeds the gross domestic product of the world.
what a wonderful website let's just see what other articles they ha-

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88734
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'Gays' crush Christian speech
TV stations cave to homosexual lobby, refuse to reveal LGBT agenda

'gays' :smug

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88716
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"You Can Lead an Atheist to Evidence, But You Can't Make Him Think," a new book that offers an answer for those who aren't sure about God, but are scared of Hell, now has rocketed into the top spot among best-sellers at Shop.WND.com.

It not only gives empirical evidence for the existence of God, but also shows atheists that they desperately need His forgiveness, too.

Using a question-and-answer format, the book highlights actual questions from atheists sent to Comfort and reveals that God's existence can be proven.

The alternative, the book points out, is like playing "Russian roulette with all the chambers loaded" – a guaranteed disaster.


amazing, amazing
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2009, 09:17:52 PM
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"Speechless" features stories about Christians who have been arrested and charged with felonies for preaching the gospel. According to the film, many are living in situations where they have been intimidated into silence.

:smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 09:20:12 PM
Atheists owned.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 15, 2009, 10:45:43 PM
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WorldNetDaily Exclusive:
Talk radio bonkers for amazing Bible facts!

wtf, so FoC visits  evangelical bible belt gop sites now for news now?  :lol



HOLY SHIT Jesus says evolution isn't real!:
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"But the Vatican has chosen to officially believe Darwin rather than Jesus," added Comfort. "That belief reveals a shallow understanding of the claims of atheistic evolution. God gave us six senses, and the sixth one is common sense. That one doesn't get used when it comes to Darwin's theory. And that's the problem – its devoted believers don't think too deeply. That's why I wrote the book. It shows that Darwin's theory is a fantasy – a ridiculous and unscientific fairy tale for grownups."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 15, 2009, 10:51:01 PM
Ray Comfort is the best.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on February 15, 2009, 08:35:11 PM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851)

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As the Obama administration pushes through Congress its $800 billion deficit-spending economic stimulus plan, the American public is largely unaware that the true deficit of the federal government already is measured in trillions of dollars, and in fact its $65.5 trillion in total obligations exceeds the gross domestic product of the world.

How do I know, without clicking, that these numbers are based on 75-year projections of "unfunded liabilities"?  This is the exact same crap that Grover Norquist, sd, and the usual suspects were pushing back in 2005 as an argument to put Social Security money into the stock market (such a shame we didn't jump on that ship).

Wingnut whack-a-mole was more fun when I hadn't already peeked at the answers at the back of the textbook.  They really need to come out with a new edition.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 16, 2009, 12:37:21 AM
it's also jerome fucking corsi, the intellectually dishonest asswit who brought us SWIFT BOATIN'
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 12:41:30 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 16, 2009, 12:37:21 AM
it's also jerome fucking corsi, the intellectually dishonest asswit who brought us SWIFT BOATIN'

Argumentum ad hominem!  Attacking the source rather than engaging his facts blah blah clutch the pearls etc.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 16, 2009, 12:43:43 AM
bubububu he has no facts ohhhhh snap *runs around shrieking like a typical librul, flapping his wrists in mad hysteria*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 04:35:53 AM
Here's an interesting thought:

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Copyright:   The Kansas City Star, Mo.
Source:   Kansas City Star (MO)


Jan. 12--There''s no shortage of blame for the mortgage crisis that drove the economy into the ditch.

But here''s a fresh culprit: the 2005 bankruptcy reform act, which was strongly pushed by the credit card industry.

So say three researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, who argue that the legislation shifted risk from credit card lenders to mortgage lenders, helping trigger the surge in home foreclosures.

Before Congress passed the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005, households could erase their unsecured debts by filing for Chapter 7 liquidation. That freed up income that distressed homeowners could use to make mortgage payments.

The new law, however, forced better-off households seeking bankruptcy protection to file under Chapter 13. That chapter requires homeowners to continue paying their unsecured lenders.

In other words, say the Fed researchers, cash-strapped homeowners who might have saved their homes by filing Chapter 7 are now much more likely to face foreclosure.

"Is it just coincidence that the surge in subprime foreclosures that has rocked financial markets came right after the bankruptcy reform in 2005?" they asked. "Is that surge just about falling home prices, bad mortgage decisions and weak economic conditions?

"No and no."

The paper''s lead author, Donald P. Morgan, a research officer at the New York Fed, said last week in a phone interview that he was "99 percent confident" that the bankruptcy reform law was a major reason for the foreclosure crisis and the falling housing prices that have affected virtually every homeowner in the country.

The National Association of Realtors recently reported that the average sale price of an existing home fell 12.3 percent, to $224,200, over the 12 months ending in November.

"Before the reform, overindebted households might file bankruptcy and get rid of their credit card debt, and that would free up income to pay the mortgage," Morgan said. "The new law blocks that escape route and forces better-off households to continue paying credit card debt, which makes it harder than before to continue paying the mortgage."

The conclusions of Morgan and his colleagues echo earlier findings that the new law''s tougher requirements appear to have increased the number of people defaulting on their mortgages or walking away from their homes rather than seeking bankruptcy protection.

"One of the great lessons and ironies" of the new law, Treasury Department economist David P. Bernstein wrote in a recent paper, was that, by increasing the dollar value of assets susceptible to default, it has weakened many of the financial institutions that sought the new law in the first place.

Aimed at making debtors take more "personal responsibility" for their debts, the new law did succeed in driving down bankruptcy filings at first. But if the idea of bankruptcy reform was to prevent "can-pay" and high-income debtors from abusing the bankruptcy system, many experts say the law has been a bust


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 11:08:32 AM
Good ole slick Willy.


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John Roberts: Mr. President, in terms of the overall economic downturn, Time magazine had an article out this week in which it named 25 of the people most responsible for the economic downturn, and you were there. They, they had a picture of you in what looked like a police lineup. They had a little button where you could vote who's the most responsible? They pointed to your signing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. I wonder what you think about that.

Former President Bill Clinton: I think that the only thing that our administration did or didn't do that we should have done is to try to set in motion some more formal regulation of the derivatives market. They're wrong in saying that the elimination of the Glass-Steagall division between banks and investment banks contributed to this. Investment banks were already...banks were already doing investment business and investment companies were already in the banking business. The bill I signed actually at least puts some standards there. And if you look at the evidence of the banks that have gotten in trouble, the ones that were most directly involved in there ... in a diversified portfolio tended to do better.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/16/bill.clinton.qanda/

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Roberts: A couple of real quick questions, what president do you think you're most like?


Clinton: Well, personally, I'm not sure. One guy wrote a book saying I was most like Thomas Jefferson, but the times in which I governed were most like Theodore Roosevelt. And the results I received were similar. He had enormous success, the country was better off when he quit than when he started, but several of the things he recommended were not actually done until his cousin, Franklin Roosevelt, became president more than 20 years later.

I think a lot of things that I recommended in terms of health care reform will come to fruition now that we have more modern Democratic Congress and a new Democratic Congress and the Obama administration there. I'll be surprised if we don't get health care reform and some of the things I recommended. I'm excited about it.

He sees himself as a cross between two guys on Mount Rushmore. :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2009, 11:22:10 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 11:08:32 AM


He sees himself as a cross between two guys on Mount Rushmore. :lol

everyone sees themselves as the hero.

i like to think of myself as a cross between puck and falstaff

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 11:42:32 AM
Obviously he isn't as good as those heroes but hey, while he isn't one of the nation's greatest he easily without question the best of the last 30 years or so. Although it's not like he like he has much competition, Nixon, Ford, the Bush's, Reagan and Carter were all pretty meh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Cheebs, only the hardliest of hardcore dems will say Reagan was a failure.  Most people will admit that he was a pretty good President, even though he really wasn't.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 04:35:53 AM
Here's an interesting thought:

Duncan Black was making this point (http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_01_20_archive.html#7565020951664754635) over a year ago.  Welcome to the socialist elite!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:21:55 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 16, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Cheebs, only the hardliest of hardcore dems will say Reagan was a failure.  Most people will admit that he was a pretty good President, even though he really wasn't.
I didn't say failure. I said he was pretty meh. I say this in terms of policy because I was talking about him as President. As a politician?  He was brilliant.

But yeah, I stand by calling his policies in his 8 years "meh". Despite this I still read the Reagan diaries lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:21:55 PM
As a politician?  He was brilliant.

Dude lost to Gerry Ford.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2009, 01:26:16 PM
Did you say Ford?

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2009/02/the-dark-sith-for-commerce-secretary/

[youtube=560,345]fDPVBonzX9E[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:21:55 PM
As a politician?  He was brilliant.

Dude lost to Gerry Ford.
Ford was a sitting president. It's all but impossible to unseat them in a primary, the fact he came so close was pretty damn impressive. I am talking more so about 1980 and his massive wins. No one has came close to a 49 state sweep since him, that takes a brilliant politician (or at least a brilliant political team) especially as someone who has a agenda that was hard right, at least when he ran compared to the likes of Ike, Ford and Nixon.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:37:27 PM
I just now realized within the span of 5 posts I have been accused of being both too hard and too soft on Reagan.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2009, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:32:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:21:55 PM
As a politician?  He was brilliant.

Dude lost to Gerry Ford.
Ford was a sitting president. It's all but impossible to unseat them in a primary, the fact he came so close was pretty damn impressive. I am talking more so about 1980 and his massive wins. No one has came close to a 49 state sweep since him, that takes a brilliant politician (or at least a brilliant political team) especially as someone who has a agenda that was hard right, at least when he ran compared to the likes of Ike, Ford and Nixon.

Brilliant politician, or shitty opposing candidate plus massive support/love for the sitting president? I'm not denying he was a great politician/salesman but rolling Walter Mondale isn't a qualifier.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
Obviously, he had two extremely weak opponents. But anyone who can still get his party to masturbate over him to this day had to do something right, politically. Reagan revolution meme and all that still sticking around. His policies were nothing special, straight line tax cutting conservative run of the mill stuff, yet he was seen as some sort of hero. That takes political know-ho, at least from the people around him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Another reason not worry about Obama is that he is still using this crisis for political gain in 2012. The guy never quits campaigning.

http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2009/02/16/daily7.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 16, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 15, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.
I haven't heard of this.  Could anyone provide a link about this?  I'm having trouble locating something via google news.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
You can't be serious ToxicAdam
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 04:40:56 PM
Quick, what do Indiana (where he pitched the bill right before voting) and Colorado (where he will sign the bill) have in common?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
Former red states Obama won. I get that. Criticizing him, saying he's "campaigning" over this is pretty bitter.

yawn
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 16, 2009, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 16, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 15, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.
I haven't heard of this.  Could anyone provide a link about this?  I'm having trouble locating something via google news.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/us/10torture.html?_r=1&hp
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2009, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
Former red states Obama won. I get that. Criticizing him, saying he's "campaigning" over this is pretty bitter.

yawn

It's quite the opposite of criticism, it's commending him for not resting on his laurels. He wants to keep stepping on the neck of the GOP.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2009, 04:47:00 PM
I'd also accept "states with Senate seats up for election in 2010."

The simple answer here is that Obama is trying to put political pressure on Republicans and blue dogs to get with his program.  TA's theory, as I understand it, is that they could have passed the stimulus right away but didn't to create the illusion of opposition.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
He also visited Florida. Another swing state.

And ToxicAdam is right, his states he picked to visit are for electoral reasons. Who cares, I am glad he has the political foresight to keep the swing states in mind.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 16, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
I think he should take a break, personally. He hasn't even been in office a full month yet and look what he did.  I just don't want to see him burn out too fast. He still has the blur of the last 20 months or more on his back too.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 16, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
I think he should take a break, personally. He hasn't even been in office a full month yet and look what he did.  I just don't want to see him burn out too fast. He still has the blur of the last 20 months or more on his back too.
Politico said he is going to do MORE of this, not less lol. After wooing Republicans turned out not to work so well they said the white house plans to do a lot more "campaign" rallies and townhalls throughout his term to focus on keeping public opinion on his side  on any policy he may enact to pressure republicans through the public rather than directly. And they feel it will help him keep his outsider appeal.

So I guess he won't be taking a break from the trail, he'll be working the crowds for the next 4 years. Poor guy. But he can still draw rockstar crowds, it makes sense to use that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2009, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 16, 2009, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 16, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 15, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.
I haven't heard of this.  Could anyone provide a link about this?  I'm having trouble locating something via google news.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/us/10torture.html?_r=1&hp

Is this abuse? Are you familiar with the case?

The reason it was called "abuse" under the Bush administration was its use whenever possible, no matter how appropriate or not. Here's an ongoing trial with unknown details, and no-one worth considering is arguing that there's no need for state secrets. Isn't it possible that there may be a case where state secrets can be invoked in a case?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: patrickula on February 16, 2009, 11:59:43 PM
Quote from: chronovore on February 16, 2009, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 16, 2009, 04:42:29 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 16, 2009, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: patrickula on February 15, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
Obama's apparent continuation of Bush's abuse of the state secrets privilege is 1000X more troubling than any he-said she-said jobs creation semantic bullshit.
I haven't heard of this.  Could anyone provide a link about this?  I'm having trouble locating something via google news.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/us/10torture.html?_r=1&hp

Is this abuse? Are you familiar with the case?

The reason it was called "abuse" under the Bush administration was its use whenever possible, no matter how appropriate or not. Here's an ongoing trial with unknown details, and no-one worth considering is arguing that there's no need for state secrets. Isn't it possible that there may be a case where state secrets can be invoked in a case?
The state secrets privilege should just be used on a specific basis for pieces of evidence, not to get an entire case thrown out of court in advance just because the president says so.  Obama ran against this sort of thing.

I could say more but I'd probably just be parroting this guy: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/10/obama/index.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 17, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 16, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
I think he should take a break, personally. He hasn't even been in office a full month yet and look what he did.  I just don't want to see him burn out too fast. He still has the blur of the last 20 months or more on his back too.
Politico said he is going to do MORE of this, not less lol. After wooing Republicans turned out not to work so well they said the white house plans to do a lot more "campaign" rallies and townhalls throughout his term to focus on keeping public opinion on his side  on any policy he may enact to pressure republicans through the public rather than directly. And they feel it will help him keep his outsider appeal.

So I guess he won't be taking a break from the trail, he'll be working the crowds for the next 4 years. Poor guy. But he can still draw rockstar crowds, it makes sense to use that.

It makes sense.  Obama is a salesman, not an idea man.  His talents are wasted in closed door meetings crafting policy.  He needs to be out in public, shoveling the democrat shit to the public.  It's the most efficient use of his positives, but it really shows the sort of power guys like Rahm are going to have over the next 4 years. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on February 17, 2009, 12:21:58 PM
So is this our Poli thread now?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2009, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 17, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 16, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
I think he should take a break, personally. He hasn't even been in office a full month yet and look what he did.  I just don't want to see him burn out too fast. He still has the blur of the last 20 months or more on his back too.
Politico said he is going to do MORE of this, not less lol. After wooing Republicans turned out not to work so well they said the white house plans to do a lot more "campaign" rallies and townhalls throughout his term to focus on keeping public opinion on his side  on any policy he may enact to pressure republicans through the public rather than directly. And they feel it will help him keep his outsider appeal.

So I guess he won't be taking a break from the trail, he'll be working the crowds for the next 4 years. Poor guy. But he can still draw rockstar crowds, it makes sense to use that.

It makes sense.  Obama is a salesman, not an idea man.  His talents are wasted in closed door meetings crafting policy.  He needs to be out in public, shoveling the democrat shit to the public.  It's the most efficient use of his positives, but it really shows the sort of power guys like Rahm are going to have over the next 4 years. 

Less Gingrich, more Reagan right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 17, 2009, 12:40:13 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 17, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 16, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
I think he should take a break, personally. He hasn't even been in office a full month yet and look what he did.  I just don't want to see him burn out too fast. He still has the blur of the last 20 months or more on his back too.
Politico said he is going to do MORE of this, not less lol. After wooing Republicans turned out not to work so well they said the white house plans to do a lot more "campaign" rallies and townhalls throughout his term to focus on keeping public opinion on his side  on any policy he may enact to pressure republicans through the public rather than directly. And they feel it will help him keep his outsider appeal.

So I guess he won't be taking a break from the trail, he'll be working the crowds for the next 4 years. Poor guy. But he can still draw rockstar crowds, it makes sense to use that.

It makes sense.  Obama is a salesman, not an idea man.  His talents are wasted in closed door meetings crafting policy.  He needs to be out in public, shoveling the democrat shit to the public.  It's the most efficient use of his positives, but it really shows the sort of power guys like Rahm are going to have over the next 4 years. 

Ugh, get that shit out of here.  Not and ideas man, my ass.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 17, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
Obama is easily an ideas man, but he is also a good salesman on the trail. No reason he can't be both.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2009, 12:29:25 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 17, 2009, 08:32:38 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 16, 2009, 10:11:59 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 16, 2009, 07:55:36 PM
I think he should take a break, personally. He hasn't even been in office a full month yet and look what he did.  I just don't want to see him burn out too fast. He still has the blur of the last 20 months or more on his back too.
Politico said he is going to do MORE of this, not less lol. After wooing Republicans turned out not to work so well they said the white house plans to do a lot more "campaign" rallies and townhalls throughout his term to focus on keeping public opinion on his side  on any policy he may enact to pressure republicans through the public rather than directly. And they feel it will help him keep his outsider appeal.

So I guess he won't be taking a break from the trail, he'll be working the crowds for the next 4 years. Poor guy. But he can still draw rockstar crowds, it makes sense to use that.

It makes sense. Obama is a salesman, not an idea man.  His talents are wasted in closed door meetings crafting policy.  He needs to be out in public, shoveling the democrat shit to the public.  It's the most efficient use of his positives, but it really shows the sort of power guys like Rahm are going to have over the next 4 years. 

Less Gingrich, more Reagan right?

Pretty much, and I love me some Reagan so it wasn't meant as an insult.  In his political career he has not been a mover and shaker, he's been a seller.  That's fine, there is nothing wrong with it.  Idea men are usually abrasive pricks who could never get elected on a national scale, they need front men to put a winning smile and pretty words on their plans.  If you look through history there are a lot more salesmen than there are idea men as president.

He's shown this to be the case just in the first few weeks here.  This "stimulus" bill is going to define a large chunk of his presidency and he farmed the entire thing out to Pelosi.  Her and Reid gave him the bill and he went to sellin'.  He was involved in a very limited capacity on the actual details of the bill.  As far as the bank bailout Geithner's shithouse performance last week shows his lack of involvement there.  Obama know how important those public presentations are and had he been fully involved in the bank planning, he never would have let Geithner out there with such little detail.

The only real "big idea" that he took ownership of throughout the campaign was "post partisanship" and hope, and those were thrown out the window at the first GOP speed bump.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 08:50:52 AM
It's always funny to me that Repubs cite Gingrich as an "idea man".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 08:51:24 AM
Greenspan favors some limited nationalization of banks.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e310cbf6-fd4e-11dd-a103-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Where is our (free market) gods now?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 08:55:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 08:51:24 AM
Greenspan favors some limited nationalization of banks.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e310cbf6-fd4e-11dd-a103-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Where is our (free market) gods now?

(http://www.infowars.com/images2/cartoons/ron_paul_gold_standard.jpg)

:smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 09:04:36 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 08:51:24 AM
Greenspan favors some limited nationalization of banks.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e310cbf6-fd4e-11dd-a103-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Where is our (free market) gods now?
Last week's Newsweek cover had it right. "We Are All Socialists Now."

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 09:26:55 AM
Looks like the housing plan is very broad and seems like it should really help mitigate the continued correction.

Includes Treasury stepping in to bring principles down and help for owners who are current.

Needless to say, there's not much I personally like about it. But, it is what it is. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 09:46:10 AM
Someone inform the hyperventilating feggits in the poligaf thread that Presidents don't write bills.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14820799&postcount=10627
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
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Includes Treasury stepping in to bring principles down and help for owners who are current.

:hyper

So happy to hear this. I've been taking it in the ass hard for 2 years now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 09:51:11 AM
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With a $787 billion stimulus package in hand, President Barack Obama will pivot quickly to address a budget deficit that could now approach $2 trillion this year.

He has scheduled a "fiscal-responsibility summit" on Feb. 23 and will unveil a budget blueprint three days later, crafted to put pressure on politicians to address the country's surging long-term debt crisis.

That seems...a tad late and pointless.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 18, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
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Includes Treasury stepping in to bring principles down and help for owners who are current.

:hyper

So happy to hear this. I've been taking it in the ass hard for 2 years now.

Glad my tax dollars can help you pay for a house you apparently can't afford.  Since I can in fact afford my beautiful new home on my own, I guess I'm the bad guy for being fiscally responsible.

What a rad system.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on February 18, 2009, 10:02:05 AM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 18, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
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Includes Treasury stepping in to bring principles down and help for owners who are current.

:hyper

So happy to hear this. I've been taking it in the ass hard for 2 years now.

Glad my tax dollars can help you pay for a house you apparently can't afford.  Since I can in fact afford my beautiful new home on my own, I guess I'm the bad guy for being fiscally responsible.

What a rad system.


Why don't you cry more about it you little bitch. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 10:03:58 AM
Fuck you, cunt. You don't know what you are talking about. I'm sure I pay as much in taxes as you. Maybe if the bank jacked your interest up $500/month starting 2 years ago, you would have some perspective. I afforded it thus far and am current so where do you get off taco?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 10:08:31 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on February 18, 2009, 10:02:05 AM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 09:57:42 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 18, 2009, 09:47:42 AM
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Includes Treasury stepping in to bring principles down and help for owners who are current.

:hyper

So happy to hear this. I've been taking it in the ass hard for 2 years now.

Glad my tax dollars can help you pay for a house you apparently can't afford.  Since I can in fact afford my beautiful new home on my own, I guess I'm the bad guy for being fiscally responsible.

What a rad system.


Why don't you cry more about it you little bitch. 

No tears, I just find it strange someone would proudly proclaim they are dependent on government assistance to bail them out of their own decisions.  It's an interesting mentality.

The bank "jacking your interest $500" is a you problem, not a taxpayer problem.  Your insults seem to show you have a bit of pride left despite you trumpeting your dependence on government welfare, so that's nice I suppose.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 10:18:31 AM
If we've learned anything the last 6 months, it's that people struggling to make their mortgage payments is definitely a problem for everyone
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 10:24:08 AM
That is a pooling and stripping problem.  Had those mortgages not been securitized and bundled foolishly it wouldn't matter as much that foreclosures doubled last year.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 10:24:08 AM
That is a pooling and stripping problem.  Had those mortgages not been securitized and bundled foolishly it wouldn't matter as much that foreclosures doubled last year.

This is true. So? All this does is remove even more blame from 'dirty poors who don't pay their bills', and it doesn't change the current situation at all
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 10:38:14 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/02/18/ST2009021801039.html


A politician named O'Malley is pushing for more stringent drinking laws? What's this world coming to?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on February 18, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 10:24:08 AM
That is a pooling and stripping problem.  Had those mortgages not been securitized and bundled foolishly it wouldn't matter as much that foreclosures doubled last year.

Guess we need the government, funded by our tax dollars, to go in and put some good ol' regulations in to help prevent this from happening again.  Or, are you against that? 



ABS/CMO securities are essentially dead.  What will regulation do at this point?  If you think regulators can see the future and anticipate the next exotic investment vehicles then I suppose regulations could be productive, but from a realistic standpoint the experience will stop this from happening again.  Institutional investors will be more conservatively leveraged as a means of survival, not to meet regulations. 

I highly doubt Zero Hero is poor.  He's just a guy who gets to take advantage of the current situation and feels so great about receiving welfare that he's gonna trumpet it on the internets.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 10:54:57 AM
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I highly doubt Zero Hero is poor.  He's just a guy who gets to take advantage of the current situation and feels so great about receiving welfare that he's gonna trumpet it on the internets.

WTF!?
I'm not poor, but I know when I'm getting raped.
It's bullshit the government has to get involved to make banks play ball in the first place. You calling it welfare is hilarious.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 18, 2009, 10:59:07 AM
(http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/19373/2/The_Governments_New_Mascot.ashx)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 11:04:44 AM
Why?  It is welfare.  Tax dollars will be doled out to "struggling" home owners through lending institutions to influence mortgage terms, with presumably no strings for the home owner.  It is welfare, a handout, home stamps.

My problem is 1. I hate that "free money!" mentality and 2. I'm not a fan of being called a cunt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 11:18:04 AM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 11:04:44 AM
Why?  It is welfare.  Tax dollars will be doled out to "struggling" home owners through lending institutions to influence mortgage terms, with presumably no strings for the home owner.  It is welfare, a handout, home stamps.

My problem is 1. I hate that "free money!" mentality and 2. I'm not a fan of being called a cunt.

So, what do you tell everyone else on Zero Hero's block if his house gets foreclosed on and their property values plunge?  As for 2, perhaps you should work harder on, you know, not being such a fucking cunt.  Cunt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 18, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
he's not thinking FREE MONEY AH HUR GOTCHA, he's thinking OH GOD LESS FINANCIAL STRESS PERHAPS I CAN ENJOY MY LIFE A LITTLE MORE NOW
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 11:22:39 AM
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NEWS broke last week that Rahm Emanuel, now White House chief of staff, lived rent- free for years in the home of Rep. Rosa De Lauro (D-Conn.) - and failed to disclose the gift, as congressional ethics rules mandate. But this is only the tip of Emanuel's previously undislosed ethics problems.

One issue is the work Emanuel tossed the way of De Lauro's husband. But the bigger one goes back to Emanuel's days on the board of now-bankrupt mortgage giant Freddie Mac.

Emanuel is a multimillionaire, but lived for the last five years for free in the tony Capitol Hill townhouse owned by De Lauro and her husband, Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg.

During that time, he also served as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee - which gave Greenberg huge polling contracts. It paid Greenberg's firm $239,996 in 2006 and $317,775 in 2008. (Emanuel's own campaign committee has also paid Greenberg more than $50,000 since 2004.)

To be fair, Greenberg had polling contracts with the DCCC before - but each new election cycle brings its own set of consultants. And Emanuel was certainly generous with his roommate.

Emanuel never declared the substantial gift of free rent on any of his financial-disclosure forms. He and De Lauro claim that it was just allowable "hospitality" between colleagues. Hospitality - for five years?

Some experts suggest that it was also taxable income: Over five years, the free rent could easily add up to more than $100,000.

Nor is this all that seems to have been missed in the Obama team's vetting process. Consider: Emanuel served on the Freddie Mac board of directors during the time that the government-backed lender lied about its earnings, a leading contributor to the current economic meltdown.

The Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight Agency later singled out the Freddie Mac board as contributing to the fraud in 2000 and 2001 for "failing in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention." In other words, board members ignored the red flags waving in their faces.

The SEC later fined Freddie $50 million for its deliberate fraud in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

Meanwhile, Emanuel was paid more than $260,000 for his Freddie "service." Plus, after he resigned from the board to run for Congress in 2002, the troubled agency's PAC gave his campaign $25,000 - its largest single gift to a House candidate.

That's what friends are for, isn't it?

Now Rahm Emanuel is in the White House helping President Obama dig out of the mess that Freddie Mac helped start.

The president's chief of staff isn't subject to Senate confirmation, but his ethics still matter. Is this the change that we can depend on?

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 11:49:30 AM
So, I wonder if Rush, Hannity the Manatee and everyone else bitching about Obama's cabinet picks having to pay back taxes will give Palin the same treatment. (http://www.adn.com/palin/story/693695.html)

Somehow I'm doubting it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 18, 2009, 11:53:10 AM
i feel kind of sorry for the alaskans who live there and would like to comment on their story, but now everything their governor does and is reported on is probably filled with hundreds of bored trolls.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
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Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, a potential 2012 GOP presidential candidate, has suggested his state may not be interested in all of the roughly $4 billion allotted to it in the economic stimulus package to be signed by President Obama today.

"We'll have to review each program, each new dollar to make sure that we understand what are the conditions, what are the strings and see whether it's beneficial for Louisiana to use those dollars," Jindal said, according to CBS affiliate WWLTV.

Jindal is scheduled to give the response to the president’s not-exactly-a-state-of-the-union address next Tuesday.

Louisiana reportedly faces a possible $2 billion budget shortfall next year. It has been allocated $538,575,876 for infrastructure spending in the stimulus package, and the White House predicts the bill will create 50,000 jobs in the state.

As WWLTV notes, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has said he’ll take any money that Louisiana turns down.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/02/17/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4807323.shtml?CMP=OTC-RSSFeed&source=RSS&attr=PoliticalHotsheet_4807323

Holy shit - WHAT? Talk about a state that needs as much help it can fucking get. There are like 22 republican governors right. Not all of them preside over states as fucked as Louisiana, and I'm very interested in seeing which ones use the money and which don't. And later, the public reactions on a state level.

You know something is wrong when Palin is looking like the practical one in the room. Jindal and the SC gov are crazy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 18, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
i think it's perfectly reasonable for the governor to want to look into any preconditions regarding the acceptance of the federal money.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 12:02:02 PM
That's par for the course for any GOP gov considering a 2012 or later run.  Pawlenty was on Rachel's show last night (props to him for actually coming on) and he waffled about it, saying he wanted a different package but since for every dollar Minnesota sends to Washington, they get 70 something cents back he was going to take the money.  Since Alaska is a pork haven I'm not surprised at all that Palin is lining up at the trough after she came out against the stim.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on February 18, 2009, 11:14:42 AM
If you think all that money is free, what are you going to tell your grandchildren about their high taxes?  :smug

I don't think it's free, I think you misread my post.  As for the high taxes, I'll tell my grandchildren that Nancy Pelosi stole their money and they should go piss on her grave and beat up her spawn to get back at her.
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he's not thinking FREE MONEY AH HUR GOTCHA, he's thinking OH GOD LESS FINANCIAL STRESS PERHAPS I CAN ENJOY MY LIFE A LITTLE MORE NOW

Rationalizing it doesn't make it less welfare-y.

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So, what do you tell everyone else on Zero Hero's block if his house gets foreclosed on and their property values plunge?  As for 2, perhaps you should work harder on, you know, not being such a fucking cunt.  Cunt.

If that is something they worry about they should probably chip in $500 a month to him.  It's not something that concerns me so I'd appreciate it if my dollars were left out of it.  However, if the home is nice enough that his neighbors are concerned about their property value being affected by a foreclosure than I am sure the home won't be bank owned long.  Those are the types of properties vulture investors love.  It's the foreclosures in shitty neighborhoods where a vacant wouldn't affect property values that are sitting empty.  The second point you are surely correct on though.  [The name calling doesn't bug me, just informs the tone of my response, so it's much harsher than it needs to be].

Jindal...well done sir.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
What will you tell your grandchildren about the trillion dollar Bush wars and the multi-trillion dollar Bush tax cuts with no reduction in spending
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 18, 2009, 12:06:44 PM
how do i obtain this free money you speak of
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
What will you tell your grandchildren about the trillion dollar Bush wars and the multi-trillion dollar Bush tax cuts with no reduction in spending

It killed brown skinned folks, so it was AWESOME.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 12:11:56 PM
I never understood that line of logic from Republicans

Spending tax money domestically on those in poor economic situations = WASTEFUL!!! WELFARE WELFARE!!! WASTE OF MONEY!!!! GIVE ME BACK MY TAX DOLLARS!

Spending tax money on unneeded wars in the middle east  = Awesome


It hurts my head.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
What will you tell your grandchildren about the trillion dollar Bush wars and the multi-trillion dollar Bush tax cuts with no reduction in spending

To piss on Bush's grave and beat his spawn.  I certainly have no more love for the 00-08 crop than I do this current crop of politicians.
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It killed brown skinned folks, so it was AWESOME.

I was opposed to the Iraq War (unnecessary war steals tax payer dollars as much as welfare).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 12:14:32 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
What will you tell your grandchildren about the trillion dollar Bush wars and the multi-trillion dollar Bush tax cuts with no reduction in spending

To piss on Bush's grave and beat his spawn.  I certainly have no more love for the 00-08 crop than I do this current crop of politicians.

Well sadly, most conservatives don't have that point of view. Out of curiosity, what was the last President you think did a good job?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2009, 12:19:48 PM
I'm still kinda shocked/impressed eznark took the Gingrich bait  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 12:14:32 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 12:13:19 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 12:06:26 PM
What will you tell your grandchildren about the trillion dollar Bush wars and the multi-trillion dollar Bush tax cuts with no reduction in spending

To piss on Bush's grave and beat his spawn.  I certainly have no more love for the 00-08 crop than I do this current crop of politicians.

Well sadly, most conservatives don't have that point of view. Out of curiosity, what was the last President you think did a good job?

Always trying to label people.  Conservative?

It's pretty difficult for me to find a president who I think did a "good job."  There is pre-FDR and post-FDR I suppose, and presidents who followed the mess he left had to work within the alphabet soup framework.  While defense spending was certainly a problem, Reagan did a fairly decent job attempting to bring back free market capitalism but obviously I have issues with some of his policies.  I'd say just about every president excepting Carter did some decent things.  On a rank of least shitty since FDR it'd be Reagan.  Pre-FDR there are a fair number but I think it's more difficult to fairly judge them as history tends to distort accomplishments.


If you've read any of Gingritch's books, he actually does have some interesting ideas and thinks somewhat outside the box on issues of education, budgeting and welfare reform.  Saying someone has ideas doesn't mean I necessarily agree with them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
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If that is something they worry about they should probably chip in $500 a month to him.  It's not something that concerns me so I'd appreciate it if my dollars were left out of it.

I'm not getting that money, the bank is. The bank wins, always. So call it bank welfare.

Also, I've been in the workforce for 17 years now. I'm looking at it as if the government is giving a little of the money I gave them all these years back. I'll let you know how I make out so you can keep tabs on your precious tax dollars.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 12:57:43 PM
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The Obama administration's summary of the plan said the plan could offer a buffer of up to $6,000 against value declines on the average home.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29256424 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/29256424)

$275M to try to create an artificial floor for a market that is still way too overvalued compared to historical norms.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/housing_graph.gif)

:piss Housing Plan :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 12:58:45 PM
What's your alternative?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 18, 2009, 01:00:44 PM
Zero Hour, don't lie to him.

You're going to take our money, and do lines of cocaine in your pizza-stained, dirty poor boxers while watching Judge Judy on your DVR and waiting for the Chinese food delivery guy to arrive.  Once the doorbell rings, you'll put on a robe, tip the man (with our tax money!), and chow down on some kung pao chicken 'till you pass out.  You'll wake up around 11PM and play some Halo 3 online, smoke a blunt, then masturbate for an hour while blasting 90s grunge music in the background.  Maybe you'll wake up by 10AM and snag a sausage McMuffin or you'll sleep in 'till that girl you met at the bar calls you on your Sidekick.

Living the life.  For free.  On our tax money.  You jerk!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
You're blowing my cover wilcoe. :shh

All I'm asking is for the bank to charge me $400 to $600 a month in interest instead of $850. If the only way this happens is for the government to subsidize that write down to the bank, how the fuck am I to blame?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2009, 01:04:29 PM
Does that graph take into account that the average size of our homes have exploded in the past 30 years? Not to mention the added costs from taxes and regulations made in that same time period?

(http://media.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2006/jul/bighouse/from1950s.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
I don't know if it takes that into account.

Looks like the writedown for those underwater is limited. So, if you owe more than 105% of the market value of your home, you are ineligible.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: eznark on February 18, 2009, 12:27:55 PM
I'd say just about every president excepting Carter did some decent things.

Really?  The guy who lowered taxes, deregulated the trucking and airline industries, pushed the antitrust suit against Ma Bell, and let Paul Volcker push a tight-money policy at the fed?

And as a conservatarian you can't think of a single thing he did that was decent?




PS Gingrich has dumb ideas.  Gas tax holiday lolz.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
Christina Romer just said on CNBC that there's no recourse for the taxpayer for when a home owner who receives a mortgage writedown later sells the home for a profit when the market recovers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 02:53:04 PM
What about capital gains?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
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> Under the Homeowner Stability Initiative: Family C can get a government sponsored modification that for five years will reduce their mortgage payment by $406 a month. After those five years, Family C's mortgage payment will adjust upward at a moderate, phased-in level.

> First, Investment Bank (working through a mortgage servicer) reduces the interest rate so that the Family C's monthly debt-to-income ratio drops from 42% to 38%. This means that Investment Bank must reduce the interest rate from 7.50% to 6.38%, bringing down Family C's monthly payment from $1,538 to $1,387.

> Second, the government and Investment Bank share the cost of further reducing the interest rate so that the Family C's monthly debt-to-income level is lowered to 31%. Any dollar the bank spends is matched by the government. At this stage, Family C's interest rate is reduced from 6.41% to 4.43%.  In total, Family C's monthly payment has fallen from $1,538 to $1,132.

> If Family C remains current on their payments, they will receive incentive payments up to $1,000 a year, or $5,000 over five years, that would go towards reducing the principal they owe. Additionally, the mortgage servicer can earn an up-front incentive fee of $1,000, plus up to $1,000 per year in "Pay for Success" fees for three years, so long as Family C remains current.


http://www.treas.gov/initiatives/eesa/homeowner-affordability-plan/HousingExampleSheet.pdf (http://www.treas.gov/initiatives/eesa/homeowner-affordability-plan/HousingExampleSheet.pdf)

Basically the plan just lengthens the teaser rates so they don't reset until after the next election (in this scenario).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2009, 04:32:40 PM
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President Obama opposes any move to bring back the so-called Fairness Doctrine, a spokesman told FOXNews.com Wednesday.

The statement is the first definitive stance the administration has taken since an aide told an industry publication last summer that Obama opposes the doctrine -- a long-abolished policy that would require broadcasters to provide opposing viewpoints on controversial issues.

"As the president stated during the campaign, he does not believe the Fairness Doctrine should be reinstated," White House spokesman Ben LaBolt told FOXNews.com.

That was after both senior adviser David Axelrod and White House press secretary Robert Gibbs left open the door on whether Obama would support reinstating the doctrine.

"I'm going to leave that issue to Julius Genachowski, our new head of the FCC ... and the president to discuss. So I don't have an answer for you now," Axelrod told FOX News Sunday over the weekend when asked about the president's position. 

The debate over the so-called Fairness Doctrine has heated up in recent days as prominent Democratic senators have called for the policies to be reinstated. Conservative talk show hosts, who see the doctrine as an attempt to impose liberal viewpoints on their shows, largely oppose any move to bring it back.

Fueling discussion, a report in the American Spectator this week said aides to Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, Calif., met last week with staff for the Federal Communications Commission to discuss ways to enact Fairness Doctrine policies. The report said Waxman was also interested in applying those standards to the Internet, which drew ridicule from supporters and opponents of the doctrine.

Both the FCC and Waxman's office denied the report.

The Fairness Doctrine was adopted in 1949 and held that broadcasters were obligated to provide opposing points of views on controversial issues of national importance. It was halted under the Reagan administration. 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/18/white-house-opposes-fairness-doctrine/

Good. I'd love to see this be Obama's first veto, if only for the conservative reaction to it.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: eznark on February 18, 2009, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 18, 2009, 01:04:22 PM
You're blowing my cover wilcoe. :shh

All I'm asking is for the bank to charge me $400 to $600 a month in interest instead of $850. If the only way this happens is for the government to subsidize that write down to the bank, how the fuck am I to blame?

Damn bank, forcing you into that mortgage.  What'd they use, water boarding?  I hear that's pretty effective. 

Mandark, Carter's negatives far outweigh his positives and deregulating transportation and shipping was an inevitable necessity it just so happened he was in the chair when it crested.  And yeah, Gingrich has some dumb ideas, like A Contract with the Earth.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 18, 2009, 07:33:10 PM
Regarding foreclosures, this event was interesting.

We had to call the cops to this foreclosed home because it was taken over by squatters...who had a tendency to shit in the basement there as it turns out.  I heard the stench was terrible.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 07:45:11 PM
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Damn bank, forcing you into that mortgage.

You know, I've asked co-workers and family members what their rates were. It was a mix between low 5s to upper 6 percentage rates. I'm just under 10! So excuse me if I'm bitter.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 18, 2009, 07:51:26 PM
Home ownership is overrated.  I don't think I'll ever own a home in my life, whether I make the salary I make now or 10x that amount.  Fuck it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 07:54:31 PM
5 years ago, it seamed like the thing to do when you have a family. *shrug*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 07:56:21 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 18, 2009, 07:51:26 PM
Home ownership is overrated.  I don't think I'll ever own a home in my life, whether I make the salary I make now or 10x that amount.  Fuck it.

Indeed, I was thinking about buying a house for a while there.  Glad I changed my mind and decided to put my hard earned skrill towards an economics degree, so that eventually I can work for a librul think tank and annoy idiots like eznark.  :tophat

Besides which, my credit is still shitty enough that in this environment I would likely not be able to get a mortgage anyhow, even tho I've got over 20k in the bank.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2009, 07:57:26 PM
Zero Hero- did you KNOW you were getting an ARM?  At least I assumed you got an ARM.  Did you know what that meant and shit?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
This thread isn't about me. Sorry for the derail.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
Might as well share your tale. No one's gonna judge you (who matters)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
From today, when Obama was in Arizona.

(http://www.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/246524.jpg)

wtf is this keep the change thing that has caught on? It doesn't even make any sense. How is he taking freedom?  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 18, 2009, 10:32:56 PM
oh white people

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2009, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
Might as well share your tale. No one's gonna judge you (who matters)
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 18, 2009, 07:57:26 PM
Zero Hero- did you KNOW you were getting an ARM?  At least I assumed you got an ARM.  Did you know what that meant and shit?

If, at closing on a 30 year mortgage, someone said, "In 2 years, your payments double :lol.  And it's all interest! :lol" *As they throw their hands in the air*

Would you do it?

I was led to believe otherwise.

But who cares, right? Let the fucked be fucked.

Good thing they didnt triple it, lol!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2009, 11:47:42 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 18, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
From today, when Obama was in Arizona.

(http://www.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/246524.jpg)

wtf is this keep the change thing that has caught on? It doesn't even make any sense. How is he taking freedom?  :lol


selling our children's future? wow, where have these fiscally conscious Americans been over the last 8 years
Title: Step 1: Fairness Doctrine Step 2: ??? Step 3: Reconquista
Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 18, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
I'll believe it when I see it.

Isn't your take on the Fairness Doctrine quite the opposite?  You'll believe whatever you want without seeing anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 19, 2009, 07:31:05 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 18, 2009, 11:09:02 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 18, 2009, 09:50:36 PM
Might as well share your tale. No one's gonna judge you (who matters)
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 18, 2009, 07:57:26 PM
Zero Hero- did you KNOW you were getting an ARM?  At least I assumed you got an ARM.  Did you know what that meant and shit?

If, at closing on a 30 year mortgage, someone said, "In 2 years, your payments double :lol.  And it's all interest! :lol" *As they throw their hands in the air*

Would you do it?

I was led to believe otherwise.

But who cares, right? Let the fucked be fucked.

Good thing they didnt triple it, lol!

That sucks.  More reason for me not to own a home.  Some payments are virtually all interest?  Fuck that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 08:30:22 AM
Wow. The GOP's little rising star Bobby Jindal is apparently planning to turn down the 4 billion dollars his state gets from the stimulus package. Of which over 500 million is in infrastructure, aka instant job creation. Oh and Louisiana is already 2 billion dollars in debt too! What a smart guy! All that will do is cause his 4 billion to go somewhere else that is needing it.

He would needlessly turning down new jobs in his state, more money for his schools...etc for what? Republican party unity and making Obama seem weak?

Ugh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
Ya, look how good all the money we have poured into Louisiana education system has done so far? We just haven't spent enough.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 08:49:22 AM
You really think it'd be smart for Jindal to turn down 500 million in infrastructure spending?

All this does is signal to me I was wrong about him waiting to run for President, he has to be thinking about 2012 with a potential move like this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 19, 2009, 09:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 08:49:22 AM
You really think it'd be smart for Jindal to turn down 500 million in infrastructure spending?

All this does is signal to me I was wrong about him waiting to run for President, he has to be thinking about 2012 with a potential move like this.
Even if Jindal turns down the money, or any other governor does, the state will most likely still receive the funds.  There's a provision in the bill that can allow state legislatures to override the governors and get some of that cashola anyway.  When Jindal and South Carolina guv Mark Sanford say they won't take the money, what will probably really happen is that their state will get the money anyway and they get to keep their credentals as fiscal conservatives that don't feed offa big poppa's teat.  This AP  (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090219/ap_on_bi_ge/bucking_the_stimulus)story sums it up better then I do.
Quote from: Associated Press
U.S. Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., the No. 3 House Democrat, said the governors — some of whom are said to be eyeing White House bids in 2012 — are putting their own interests first.

"No community or constituent should be denied recovery assistance due to their governor's political ideology or political aspirations," Clyburn said Wednesday.

In fact, governors who reject some of the stimulus aid may find themselves overridden by their own legislatures because of language Clyburn included in the bill that allows lawmakers to accept the federal money even if their governors object.

He inserted the provision based on the early and vocal opposition to the stimulus plan by South Carolina's Republican governor, Mark Sanford. But it also means governors like Sanford and Louisiana's Bobby Jindal — a GOP up-and-comer often mentioned as a potential 2012 presidential candidate — can burnish their conservative credentials, knowing all the while that their legislatures can accept the money anyway.
of course if the state legislatures are as willing to play a partisan game of chicken as their governors are, then the people living in those states are fucked anyway, but then again they probably were beforehand with such sterling leadership at the helm.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 19, 2009, 09:16:59 AM
Both states receive more tax funds than they put in anyway.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 19, 2009, 09:22:24 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 19, 2009, 09:16:59 AM
Both states receive more tax funds than they put in anyway.

Haha, isn't that usually the way with these uber-conservatard states?  "I don't want mah tax money goin' to them queers in them blue states!"  Well actually sir, madam or mongoloid as the case may be, your state operates on the money of "them blue state queers".  Wanna give it back?  Yeah, bet not.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 09:23:36 AM
Well that makes it even worse, Jindal is doing this all for show for 2012 and not for some sort of moral stand. I hate watching the GOP using the economy in such blatant ways for political gain.  Not saying the Democrats are innocent, but at least they are trying to fix it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 09:23:36 AM
Well that makes it even worse, Jindal is doing this all for show for 2012 and not for some sort of moral stand. I hate watching the GOP using the economy in such blatant ways for political gain.  Not saying the Democrats are innocent, but at least they are trying to fix it.

hahah .. oh cheebs.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 19, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand Sanford changes his mind.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 09:23:36 AM
Well that makes it even worse, Jindal is doing this all for show for 2012 and not for some sort of moral stand. I hate watching the GOP using the economy in such blatant ways for political gain.  Not saying the Democrats are innocent, but at least they are trying to fix it.

hahah .. oh cheebs.


I never said Democrats aren't doing stuff for political gain as well. But Democrats are at the same time trying to get something done to get the economy fixed while Republicans are trying to impede any action being taken on the economy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 19, 2009, 11:00:37 AM
Gov. also Sarah also Palin has a productive meeting with Alaskan legislators, also. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/17/AR2009021703437.html)

Quote
A couple of weeks before the Alaska legislature began this year's session, a bipartisan group of state senators on a retreat a few hours from here invited Gov. Sarah Palin to join them. Accompanied by a retinue of advisers, she took a seat at one end of a conference table and listened passively as Gary Stevens, the president of the Alaska Senate, a former college history professor and a low-key Republican with a reputation for congeniality, expressed delight at her presence.

Would the governor, a smiling Stevens asked, like to share some of her plans and proposals for the coming legislative session?

Palin looked around the room and paused, according to several senators present. "I feel like you guys are always trying to put me on the spot," she said finally, as the room became silent.

siamesedreamer is in looooooooooooove!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
That's why you are a democrat cheebs. As long as someone does it under the guise of "doing something good" all the negative consequences or other malfeasances can be somehow excused.

I think Christians do the same kind mental gymnastics.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
That's why you are a democrat cheebs.
I actually blame being raised by two liberal atheist parents more than anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 19, 2009, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 19, 2009, 11:00:37 AM
siamesedreamer is in looooooooooooove!

How many times do I have to repeat myself?   >:(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 19, 2009, 01:00:54 PM
[youtube=560,345]N4slBvPQY4g&eurl[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2009, 01:23:03 PM
"liberal hijacking of the american way of life"
http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/02/wtf_20.html

edit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/17/hannitys-apocalyptic-stim_n_167763.html  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 19, 2009, 02:16:35 PM
Damn that Rick Santelli vid is all over Drudge.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2009, 02:17:40 PM
It makes no sense. Wall street cretins boohooing about their money being wasted to bail out undeserving folks? smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on February 19, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
That's why you are a democrat cheebs.
I actually blame being raised by two liberal atheist parents more than anything.

How do you explain your homosexuality?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
Quote from: demi on February 19, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 19, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
That's why you are a democrat cheebs.
I actually blame being raised by two liberal atheist parents more than anything.

How do you explain your homosexuality?

the delicious taste of dick
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 12:06:57 AM
I would like to think the president or somebody from the administration will step up and say something (anything) to try to put the markets at ease. This is getting really fucking scary.

Where's Ghengis?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 08:01:30 AM
He's right about the huge increase in total debt and that its completely unsustainable. I don't know if what you quoted is accurate though. Seems like he ignores population growth in regard to the need for GDP to grow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 20, 2009, 08:28:22 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 12:06:57 AM
I would like to think the president or somebody from the administration will step up and say something (anything) to try to put the markets at ease. This is getting really fucking scary.

Where's Ghengis?
What do you mean? Are you saying Obama's line he always uses on the stump/tv where he claims things are still going to get much much worse for the next year should be toned down a bit?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 08:55:11 AM
No. That's just stimulus CYA talk.

The problem is the banks. They completely fucking blew it last week with the Geithner debacle. Obama needs to get ahead of this fear of nationalization gripping the markets. How they do they I don't know. But, something needs to be done very soon.

Gold might 1000 today. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 09:13:34 AM
They get by it by doing what they HAVE to do, which is nationalize the fucking banks.  Just the big ones, but it needs to be done and the longer they put it off the worse things are going to get.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 20, 2009, 10:59:57 AM
Watching this conference with mayors is pretty interesting.  Obama is running this thing like he's read a few books on management - there are some basic rules of competent management in effect here.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 11:31:15 AM
What baffles me about this "bipartisanship" meme running around is that apparently, according to the Republicans and the mainstream media who have chosen to enable them, "bipartisanship" means giving the Republicans what they want all of the time and smiling about it.

In my opinion, they should be happy to have a seat at the table and be able to toss their ideas out there, because congressional Dems definitely didn't have that option when they were in the minority during Bush's two terms.  It's like a meeting at a company- you get to talk but you don't get to run it, distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 20, 2009, 09:13:34 AM
They get by it by doing what they HAVE to do, which is nationalize the fucking banks.  Just the big ones, but it needs to be done and the longer they put it off the worse things are going to get.

Citi -22% 
BoA -18%
 
They might have to nationalize them this weekend.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 20, 2009, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 20, 2009, 09:13:34 AM
They get by it by doing what they HAVE to do, which is nationalize the fucking banks.  Just the big ones, but it needs to be done and the longer they put it off the worse things are going to get.

forgive my total economic ignorance, but what would this allow them to do?
what's the sequence of events which would lead us from the desert, if you will?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2009, 12:39:41 PM
Europe does it, so it must be good.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 20, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
europe also puts immigrants on boat prisons

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 20, 2009, 12:52:56 PM
a. it would take state ownership of the bad debt on the books.
b. the state could dictate lending practices, rather than suggest them.
c. really, should banks be run as for-profit institutions?

note that this has potential downsides as well as upsides, just like everything else planned to assist the economy. however, i fall on the side of getting as much toxic debt out of the private sector as possible as quickly as possible, and opening up lending markets with REGULATION and less usurious practices. c) is a matter of personal opinion, but i think it's borderline criminal that banking doesn't have far more severe oversight, if not outright accountability to the state and the people. fuck shareholders. we shouldn't be building fake wealth on the bubble of obscene interest rates.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on February 20, 2009, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 20, 2009, 12:47:07 PM
europe also puts immigrants on boat prisons

Seriously?  That's pretty badass for some homos.   :mrt
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 01:03:56 PM
I suspect that the administration really fears a 1987-style market reaction to nationalization. But, what other choice is out there? Let's just rip the band-aid off and begin the slow process of digging out.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 01:24:25 PM
Citi -37%
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 20, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
So...whats the chances Obama will actually nationalize the banking system?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2009, 02:01:43 PM
What happened to the last 2 guys that wanted to do it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 05:22:32 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 20, 2009, 12:52:56 PM
a. it would take state ownership of the bad debt on the books.
b. the state could dictate lending practices, rather than suggest them.
c. really, should banks be run as for-profit institutions?

note that this has potential downsides as well as upsides, just like everything else planned to assist the economy. however, i fall on the side of getting as much toxic debt out of the private sector as possible as quickly as possible, and opening up lending markets with REGULATION and less usurious practices. c) is a matter of personal opinion, but i think it's borderline criminal that banking doesn't have far more severe oversight, if not outright accountability to the state and the people. fuck shareholders. we shouldn't be building fake wealth on the bubble of obscene interest rates.

You left out

d. taking the banks into receivership (nationalization) allows the govt. to fire the shitheels that ruined everything
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 20, 2009, 06:11:12 PM
Nationalization or at least some government co-ownership is inevitable.  The stocks are falling because nothing the private banking sector has done has alleviated these fears.  For being supposedly the best and brightest in America, they have jack shit for a solution.  Way to go, guys.  All these distinguished mentally-challenged fellows knew how to do was hide liabilities and hand out bonuses.

Obama needs a new rule: any company that receives $1 of bailout money should have the entire Board of Directors sacked.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
Ya, look how good all the money we have poured into Louisiana education system has done so far? We just haven't spent enough.

wat? (http://www.ppinys.org/reports/jtf/educationspending.htm)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
They came out at around 2:00 today to say they support a private banking system. Up to the point we were down over 200 and both C and BAC were falling off a cliff. It was still a pretty bad day, but I honestly think we were teetering on the edge of a massive sell off.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2009, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
Ya, look how good all the money we have poured into Louisiana education system has done so far? We just haven't spent enough.

wat? (http://www.ppinys.org/reports/jtf/educationspending.htm)
http://www.dailyworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090111/OPINION01/901110302
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 20, 2009, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
http://www.dailyworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090111/OPINION01/901110302
You're point is that since LA is in the bottom 10 of performance while being in the bottom 10 of spending, it would be useless to spend more?

I'm lost...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 08:07:23 PM
They came out at around 2:00 today to say they support a private banking system. Up to the point we were down over 200 and both C and BAC were falling off a cliff. It was still a pretty bad day, but I honestly think we were teetering on the edge of a massive sell off.

The problem is that as soon as they say they're going to nationalize/put into receivership even ONE bank, the dominoes will start to fall.  Bunch of high strung pussies on Wall Street.  And that fucking Santelli son of a bitch needs to be shot- so it's ok to spend $700 billion on your buddies on Wall Street who fucked up, but spending roughly 1/10 of that on people who may not have made the best choices but can still pay a reasonable mortgage payment requires you to act like an uppity assburger?  Fuck that.  I still say that an entire class of people needs to be beheaded to fix this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 08:57:51 PM
Jindal has rejected $98M in stimulus funds that would have gone to unemployment extension benefits.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 20, 2009, 09:05:06 PM
LA will still get it anyway
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 09:11:23 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 20, 2009, 08:47:49 PM
The problem is that as soon as they say they're going to nationalize/put into receivership even ONE bank, the dominoes will start to fall.

No doubt man. But, here's the thing. These stress tests are complete bullshit. Everyone of those banks is insolvent (at least theoretically). But, Geithner is gonna come back and say they're just dandy. Fine. Wouldn't expect anything else. He's got buddies to protect. So what happens after they have the official gubment seal of approval? Some more capital injections via TARP II that get shoved right back down the giant black hole never to be seen again. Then four months later we're right back where we started. Zombie central that gets played out forever instead of just nipping it in the bud and ending it so the rebuilding process can begin. Someone is gonna have to grow a gigantic set of balls or we're gonna be stuck in a never ending loop.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 09:13:06 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 20, 2009, 09:05:06 PM
LA will still get it anyway

Probably. I think I read that the state legislatures can over rule the gubnah.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 09:16:17 PM
Oh, no doubt.  But I think you're underestimating Obama and Geithner.  I expect Citi and B of A to get put into receivership within the next week, I think they're just playing rope a dope with Wall St. right now.  I see the "stress test" process as a way for them to say, "we were totally going to look for another way to do this, but my laws!  ya'll are just too fucked up for that too happen."

At least that's what I hope.  I have grown increasingly worried that the two loudest voices Obama is listening to on the economy (Geithner and Summers) are saying basically the same thing.  I think he would have been better served going with someone like Stiglitz as Treasury Sec, but whatever.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 09:18:25 PM
How does receivership differ from full blown nationalization? Does common get wiped?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 09:18:25 PM
How does receivership differ from full blown nationalization? Does common get wiped?

It's a word that will hopefully make Republicans less insane.  That's it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 09:29:01 PM
Gotcha. But hey - Lindsey's on our side!  ;)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 20, 2009, 09:29:01 PM
Gotcha. But hey - Lindsey's on our side!  ;)

Means nothing.  After the broad parameters of the stimulus leaked, Republicans were all "oh wow we're pleasantly surprised!"  and then 36 of them voted for a stimulus plan that consisted of nothing but tax cuts.  DC Republicans are about as useless as thumbs on a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 09:34:05 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 20, 2009, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
http://www.dailyworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090111/OPINION01/901110302
You're point is that since LA is in the bottom 10 of performance while being in the bottom 10 of spending, it would be useless to spend more?

I'm lost...

Ditto.

Also, Cheebs is naive for thinking that Jindal, Sanford et al are posturing for political gain?  Apparently Obama's Iago and they're a bunch of Othellos, which would be ironic.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2009, 09:34:45 PM
Quote
DC Republicans are about as useless as thumbs on a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

:rofl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2009, 09:43:53 PM
http://ftp2.census.gov/govs/school/06f33pub.pdf

Table 11

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2009, 09:46:29 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 09:34:05 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 20, 2009, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
http://www.dailyworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090111/OPINION01/901110302
You're point is that since LA is in the bottom 10 of performance while being in the bottom 10 of spending, it would be useless to spend more?

I'm lost...

Ditto.

Also, Cheebs is naive for thinking that Jindal, Sanford et al are posturing for political gain?  Apparently Obama's Iago and they're a bunch of Othellos, which would be ironic.

Yea, it's a smart move (from their perspective). Their states are going to get the money regardless - they just get to beat their chest and say they refused the money. One less feather for Romney's 2012 hat
Title: i'm not recursivelyenumerable, but hopefully I am reasonably numerate
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2009, 09:43:53 PM
http://ftp2.census.gov/govs/school/06f33pub.pdf

Table 11

Change the bolded number to see the stats going back to '02.  They keep the format intact too, so Table X always has the same data no matter which edition.  Good stuff.

The rankings on Table 11 for the years 2002-6 go:  42, 39, 41, 42, 24.

Huh.

LA education spending per $1,000 of personal income is at about $49 for every year except the last, when it suddenly jumps to $60.  20% hike in one year.

Hm.  Now can anyone tell me what might have happened in Louisiana that would have dramatically changed their '05-06 school year's stats from the previous trends?  Something that might have sharply reduced the denominators in all these per-pupil and per-income calculations?

Anyone?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 20, 2009, 11:23:06 PM
:teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 20, 2009, 11:25:35 PM
To borrow from an old meme:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050912/18520__bones_l.jpg)

I don't know what that means.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 11:37:36 PM
I can't tell if you're serious.  It's that deadpan delivery.

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Summary version:  Louisiana doesn't devote more resources to teaching children than the US average, they just had a ruddy great rainstorm which chased away all the students and now makes their school budget look better than it is.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 20, 2009, 11:42:01 PM
So, what you're basically saying is that ToxicAdam is right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2009, 11:47:14 PM
Now you're just trolling.   :wag
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 12:09:06 AM
mmm hmmm


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2009, 12:12:59 AM
I want you to know that even though I used text and not gifs, it's not cause I like Beardo more.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 21, 2009, 12:24:54 AM
Shoulda used that money to teach them to swim amirite?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
We were slightly overpaying for it before the great cleansing, now we are grossly overpaying for it.

Yet, Jindal is an asshole for being accountable and evaluating if they really need federal funds before they accept them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2009, 12:32:56 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 12:26:58 AM
We were slightly overpaying for it before the great cleansing, now we are grossly overpaying for it.

Yet, Jindal is an asshole for being accountable and evaluating if they really need federal funds before they accept them.

Do you not see what you're doing?

You assume some sort of public choice theory motive behind Obama's actions, then turn around and assume Jindal's being an honest broker.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 12:36:38 AM
I'm allowed to be a hypocrite, I'm a Republican.  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 21, 2009, 12:38:21 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 01:52:45 AM
A minor note, but China is dumping steel into the market at an accelerated rate.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aD1iC4bZCUf8&refer=home

It wouldn't surprise me if other manufacturing sectors will experience the same thing during this year as China tries to maintain their double digit growth. Further causing more layoffs/shutdowns of manufacturers around the western world.

Hopefully it's a topic that Hillary brings up in China during her visit. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 02:34:30 AM
According to one estimate, the US Government has lost 85 billion dollars in 4 months since TARP was enacted.


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/govt.s-tarp-losses-86.5b-since-october-2009-02-17.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 21, 2009, 12:40:21 PM
Yesterday George Soros said the current situation is worse than the Great Depression and compared it to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Good times...good times.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
doom and gloom to sale his socialist agenda. smh obama, smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 21, 2009, 01:54:01 PM
We need a Cultural Revolution type event to put the dumbshits of the finance industry of the past 20 years on public display.  Also, add any member of the GOP who was a part of the Southern Strategy and any time sooner.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 21, 2009, 02:22:32 PM
that's been soros' line since early 2008, even before the collapse of lehman bros. not saying he's wrong; just that he hasn't changed his verbiage.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 21, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
Quote
that's been soros' line since early 2008, even before the collapse of lehman bros. not saying he's wrong; just that he hasn't changed his verbiage.

The best way to predict the future is to create it  :shh :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2009, 02:44:19 PM
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2009/02/19/lpactv-we-must-act-rescue-obama-administration.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 21, 2009, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 21, 2009, 01:54:01 PM
We need a Cultural Revolution type event to put the dumbshits of the finance industry of the past 20 years on public display.

I usually assume posters aren't serious when they make these kinds of comments, but I'm not sure with The Experiment, who I've put on my "might be crazy" list a while ago.

The Stanford prison experiment and the Milgram experiment demonstrate that normal individuals can be persuaded to do wrong when such behavior is institutionally supported. The bad behavior of the financial institutions wasn't just internally supported, but it was externally supported by the government. And any potential congnitive disonance was easy to relieve as the potential harm was more abstract and uncertain than in either the Milgram or Stanford experiments, where the pain inflicted was immediate and tangible. Hence, when certain  behavior is supported and encouraged and the potential harm is uncertain, it's easy to see how individuals acted the way they did. It's far better to change the institutions than to go Mao crazy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 21, 2009, 03:59:43 PM
yes but you can't argue with the cathartic nature of a good cultural cleansing
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 21, 2009, 04:30:02 PM
Malek, I've been pretty consistent in saying that the first thing that should have been done last September was to build a guillotine on the steps of the NYSE.  And I'm dead serious.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 21, 2009, 06:41:50 PM
I'm sure this will supply us with quite a bit of debate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/21/AR2009022100911_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/21/AR2009022100911_pf.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 21, 2009, 06:52:55 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 21, 2009, 06:41:50 PM
I'm sure this will supply us with quite a bit of debate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/21/AR2009022100911_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/21/AR2009022100911_pf.html)
Stricter environmental policies, expansion of health care and a lot done to tackle the deficit? Sounds good.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 21, 2009, 09:06:14 PM
I'm going to wait until Rush tells me what to think before I respond.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 21, 2009, 09:11:59 PM
Quote from: Washington Post
raising taxes

tells you everything you need to know about what Rush will tell you to think.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2009, 01:49:48 AM
The White House is going to start including war costs and AMT fixes in its budget projections.  It's slightly embarrassing how stoked I am to hear this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 23, 2009, 02:09:58 AM
Can they make an amendment to make that permanent? :)


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on February 23, 2009, 02:05:05 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 20, 2009, 09:34:45 PM
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DC Republicans are about as useless as thumbs on a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

:rofl

(http://i43.tinypic.com/xfnc4j.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2009, 02:43:51 PM
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Chuck Todd on why Chris Matthews ultimately didn't run for U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania: "Because [Chris] had a really good friend of his say to him, 'What are you going to do when you get there?' and he couldn't answer the question and he realized that, and that's why he didn't run. It was a childhood dream to be a senator, but he didn't know what he was going to do if he got there."
http://politicalwire.com/

This basically sums up Chris Matthews
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2009, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2009, 02:43:51 PM
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Chuck Todd on why Chris Matthews ultimately didn't run for U.S. Senate from Pennsylvania: "Because [Chris] had a really good friend of his say to him, 'What are you going to do when you get there?' and he couldn't answer the question and he realized that, and that's why he didn't run. It was a childhood dream to be a senator, but he didn't know what he was going to do if he got there."
http://politicalwire.com/

This basically sums up Chris Matthews

Yet you love the guy, smh.  Then again you love Forrest Gump...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 23, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
So how far below 7000 will the dow go this week?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 23, 2009, 02:57:50 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 23, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
So how far below 7000 will the dow go this week?
the "state of the union" type of thing is tomorrow night, do those normally impact the market?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 23, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
I hope you guys like eating bread and waiting in line for the priviledge to do so.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2009, 04:13:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 23, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
I hope you guys like eating bread and waiting in line for the priviledge to do so.
I've eaten at Subway for years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on February 23, 2009, 04:15:14 PM
I love eating bread. I really like Hawaiian Bread.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 23, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
Hawaiian bread does kick ass. I would wait in line for that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2009, 04:45:57 PM
Mmmm... Hawaiian bread.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on February 23, 2009, 10:48:21 PM
has anyone else ever had real hawaiian bread?  like, not the kind you buy at the supermarket but the authentic pink-looking stuff?  because it is ridiculously good and destroys the store-bought stuff.  highly recommended
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 02:34:22 AM
Interesting, there are Jindal adds up on Youtube now, promising "a sneek peek" at his speech tomorrow.
http://www.bobbyjindal.com/sotu/?gcl...FQFvGgod8xFm1g
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 24, 2009, 08:01:37 AM
Jindal is going to get smoked in the 2012 primaries...if Palin runs.  In fact, if Palin runs, she will destroy the GOP, regardless of whether she comes out the winner or not.  I expect all of these Republicans to fight dirty but given her 2008 tactics, when she could be President herself, she will be even worse.  All the better for Obama I say.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 08:12:18 AM
Everyone forgets about Romney.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 08:33:43 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 08:12:18 AM
Everyone forgets about Romney.


You think Romney will be the nominee?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 08:35:08 AM
Yes. But I am terrible at predicting these things. I had Hillary and Guiliani winning back in 2006.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 08:43:27 AM
Ignoring my political preference for a weak opponent Palin vs. Obama would by far be the most entertaining to watch. Jindal, while he gets a lot of hype is a really boring guy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 08:57:51 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 08:12:18 AM
Everyone forgets about Romney.

I dunno, everytime I see Mitt Romney all I hear in my head is "So what's it going to take to get you into this quality pre-owned automobile?"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 09:07:30 AM
There is definitely something "too slick" about Romney that is off-putting. Maybe that's why Palin had such a dramatic response, because she is more accessible in some ways.

I still don't believe Palin is a credible lead candidate. She is Dan Quayle all over again. The 30 percenters will support her (in polls) because they always rally around people that are attacked by the media, but when it comes to actually vote .. they will find someone else that is more viable.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 09:20:50 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 09:07:30 AM
There is definitely something "too slick" about Romney that is off-putting. Maybe that's why Palin had such a dramatic response, because she is more accessible in some ways.

I still don't believe Palin is a credible lead candidate. She is Dan Quayle all over again. The 30 percenters will support her (in polls) because they always rally around people that are attacked by the media, but when it comes to actually vote .. they will find someone else that is more viable.
Romney would be the candidate they'd go for if they think logically about winning rather than their gut choice. It'd be like the 2004 dem primaries with Palin being Dean and Romney being Kerry.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 09:24:07 AM
The GOP's problem is that the religious nutbars have an exorbitant amount of power in the party, and ESPECIALLY in the primaries.  Shit, look how long Huck hung around, and he wasn't really mean enough to capture the imagination of a lot of those yahoos.  Every dimwitted, mean spirited PTA mom that sees themselves in Sarah Palin will be out there on primary day for her.  You guys are screwed until at least 2016.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 09:32:13 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 24, 2009, 09:24:07 AM
The GOP's problem is that the religious nutbars have an exorbitant amount of power in the party, and ESPECIALLY in the primaries.  Shit, look how long Huck hung around, and he wasn't really mean enough to capture the imagination of a lot of those yahoos.  Every dimwitted, mean spirited PTA mom that sees themselves in Sarah Palin will be out there on primary day for her.  You guys are screwed until at least 2016.
Also seeing how there wont be a real democratic primary in 2012 I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of dems show up to vote palin. She motivates the dem base as much, if not more than the republican base.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:02:36 AM
Yeah, if there's still a competitive GOP primary by the time it gets to NC I plan on changing my registration back to unaffiliated so I can vote for the worst choice.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:30:09 AM
I don't think Palin will make it past New Hampshire.

But, if she does somehow become the nominee, then I will switch my party affiliation to DEM and volunteer for the Obama re-election campaign.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:41:52 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:30:09 AM
I don't think Palin will make it past New Hampshire.

But, if she does somehow become the nominee, then I will switch my party affiliation to DEM and volunteer for the Obama re-election campaign.

:lol

Remember, Iowa is first and Huckabee won there.  They'll go gaga for Palin there.  She'll probably lose to someone more reasonable in NH and maaaaaybe NV, but she'll win SC handily for sure.  That's 2 out of the first 4, for sure.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2009, 11:00:29 AM
Regardless, it's gonna be fun to watch the GOP divide up and implode during the primaries. :hyper
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 11:52:51 AM
Romney is on the sidelines though. Active governors have been making noise by taking political stands they'll be harping on in the 2012 primaries. While Romney will be able to say he didn't support the stimulus, Jindal will be able to say he actually turned the money down.

If Romney wasn't such a flip flopping award mormon I'd definitely think he had a chance. I'm starting to agree with SD/Toxic that Palin is a fluke though. She'll win some primaries with the early buzz and swarm of female voters but I don't see the party letting her win. They were pretty practical last year in picking the republican with the best chance to win, I can't help but think they'll do that again in 2012 since this group of candidates lacks an undeniable leader

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2009, 01:41:35 PM
The upside for Romney is he doesn't have to be governor during 2G2D.  None of the current governors will be able to run on records of balanced budgets, tax cuts, and sufficient public services.

Palin's an idiot, but so was Reagan.  Given the right support and prep work, why not?  The question is whether the people around her are too amateur-hour to build a network over the next three years.

If Sanford runs, it could help a moderate-ish candidate, counterintuitively.  Everyone else could write off SC as a favorite son primary and skip it, making it less important to appeal to the Left Behind wing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 03:08:01 PM
Since when did having a record to run on matter?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 03:16:00 PM
 :teehee

Can't wait to hear republicans over-reacting to Jindal's resonse, delcaring it world changing/better than any Obama speech

also
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/gop-governor-congressiona_n_169529.html

Utah elected this dude?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
I still believe that Palin is a sideshow, one that unfortunately got too far in the current distinguished mentally-challenged man-baby GOP, and being the headless corpse they are it's not surprising that someone of her ilk could rise to prominence. I still think that ultimately the party elders will cut her off at the knees come 2012 just because they don't yet want to drive those final nails into the GOP coffin. If she somehow manages to win though, I'm in it for the lulz.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
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House Democrats propose $410B spending bill
House bill to keep govt. running totals $410 billion, features thousands of pet projects
 WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Democrats unveiled a $410 billion spending bill on Monday to keep the government running through the end of the fiscal year, setting up the second political struggle over federal funds in less than a month with Republicans.

The measure includes thousands of earmarks, the pet projects favored by lawmakers but often criticized by the public in opinion polls. There was no official total of the bill's earmarks, which accounted for at least $3.8 billion.

The legislation, which includes an increase of roughly 8 percent over spending in the last fiscal year, is expected to clear the House later in the week.

Democrats defended the spending increases, saying they were needed to make up for cuts enacted in recent years or proposed a year ago by then-President George W. Bush in health, education, energy and other programs.

Republicans countered that the spending in the bill far outpaced inflation, and amounted to much higher increases when combined with spending in the stimulus legislation that President Barack Obama signed last week. In a letter to top Democratic leaders, the GOP leadership called for a spending freeze, a step they said would point toward a "new standard of fiscal discipline."

Either way, the bill advanced less than one week after Obama signed the $787 billion economic stimulus bill that all Republicans in Congress opposed except for three moderate GOP senators.

Apart from spending, the legislation provides Democrats in Congress and Obama an opportunity to reverse Bush-era policy on selected issues.

It loosens restrictions on travel to Cuba, as well as the sale of food and medicine to the communist island-nation.

In another change, the legislation bans Mexican-licensed trucks from operating outside commercial zones along the border with the United States. The Teamsters Union, which supported Obama's election last year, hailed the move.

The Bush administration backed a pilot program to permit up to 500 trucks from 100 Mexican motor carriers access to U.S. roads.

The legislation covers programs for numerous Cabinet-level and other agencies, and takes the place of regular annual spending bills that did not pass last year as a result of a deadlock between the Bush administration and the Democratic-controlled Congress.

Congressional expenses are included. The bill provides $500,000 for what is described as a Senate "pilot program" that will defray the cost of mass mail postcards to households notifying them of a nearby town meeting to be attended by any senator.

I'm sure we will get weeks and weeks of media reports about how the Republicans are blocking the government from running.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 03:40:28 PM
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It loosens restrictions on travel to Cuba, as well as the sale of food and medicine to the communist island-nation.

GOOD
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 03:45:33 PM
"porkulus" seems like a far more accurate description of that bill than the stimulus
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
hyuck hyuck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 03:52:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]ocqIEAaPVok[/youtube]

...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 03:40:28 PM

GOOD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme#Abuse
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
House Democrats propose $410B spending bill
House bill to keep govt. running totals $410 billion, features thousands of pet projects

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/debt_gdp.png)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 04:02:53 PM
FDR's only failure was he didn't SPEND ENOUGH!


/krugman


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 04:03:02 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 03:40:28 PM

GOOD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for-Food_Programme#Abuse

here, you'll notice my confusion
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 04:05:20 PM
Just that food/supplies rarely gets into the hands of people that need it the most. They are usually horded by those in power or the most ardent supporters of the dictator.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2009, 04:06:54 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 03:39:00 PM
House Democrats propose $410B spending bill
House bill to keep govt. running totals $410 billion, features thousands of pet projects

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/debt_gdp.png)

And yet the Dems still haven't spent as much as Bush had in the past 8 years. Between the Iraq war and TARP, the dems have some more ground to cover.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 04:08:36 PM
bububu Bush

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
bububu OF COURSE we're going to bring up fucking Bush.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 04:05:20 PM
Just that food/supplies rarely gets into the hands of people that need it the most. They are usually horded by those in power or the most ardent supporters of the dictator.



oh?

you think i cared about that?

nah, i just want travel restrictions to be lifted.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 04:19:22 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 24, 2009, 04:06:54 PM
And yet the Dems still haven't spent as much as Bush had in the past 8 years. Between the Iraq war and TARP, the dems have some more ground to cover.

They've only been in full control for a month and they've already passed a bill that costs more than the entire Iraq War. I doubt they'll have much trouble surpassing Bush's horrific record. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 24, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
wat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 04:31:31 PM
I'm pretty sure the Iraq war has cost into the trillions ... (too lazy to look).


That's why Bush has been such a disaster for Republicans. They have zero ground to stand on when it comes to criticising spending. He has effectively killed them for decades to come. But .. they should still shine the light on things that are too expansive. It serves a purpose.



 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 24, 2009, 04:39:19 PM
I'm not sure the conservative criteria for opposing things should be ideological-"too expansive" if they are looking to regain relevancy.

I think they'd get far more mileage out of opposing things that are not effective. America doesn't want reagan style conservative ideology, it wants old school, pocket protector "but can it really work?" pragmatism. too bad they purged that from their ranks in the 90s.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 04:45:05 PM
Haha, dumbass Mike Pence (R-IN) was just on talking up a spending freeze.  AGAIN.  What tards.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 05:00:53 PM
http://zfacts.com/p/447.html (http://zfacts.com/p/447.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 05:09:22 PM
Speaking of which:

Quote
The United States plans to withdraw most of its troops from Iraq by August 2010, 19 months after President Barack Obama's inauguration, according to administration officials. The withdrawal plan would fulfill one of Obama's central campaign pledges, albeit a little more slowly than he promised. He said he would withdraw troops within 16 months, roughly one brigade a month from the time of his inauguration.

The officials said they expect Obama to make the announcement this week. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan has not been made public.

The U.S. military will leave behind a residual force, between 30,000 and 50,000 troops, to continue advising and training Iraqi security forces, the two officials said. Also staying beyond the 19 months will be intelligence and surveillance specialists and their equipment, including unmanned aircraft, they said.

<snip>

Congress has approved more than $657 billion so far for the Iraq war, according to a report last year from the Congressional Research Service.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_go_pr_wh/iraq_withdrawal (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090224/ap_on_go_pr_wh/iraq_withdrawal)

Has to happen, but I really fear the aftermath.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
He had to pull troops out, it was one of the central issues he ran on. I think Iraq will be a lot calmer in the end after all the troops (well combat troops) leave than a lot predicted when railing against pull-out. In the end I bet this will be a rather non-issue.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 06:25:50 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
He had to pull troops out, it was one of the central issues he ran on. I think Iraq will be a lot calmer in the end after all the troops (well combat troops) leave than a lot predicted when railing against pull-out. In the end I bet this will be a rather non-issue.

Why?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
HUD secretary just said, and repeated, that the Obama White House is confident that the recession will be over by the end of 2009. There's no way he was supposed to say that, is there?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
HUD secretary just said, and repeated, that the Obama White House is confident that the recession will be over by the end of 2009. There's no way he was supposed to say that, is there?
It was Bernanke who said that, maybe he got confused. And Bernanke said that is on the condition that Obama's economic polices all work.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
HUD secretary just said, and repeated, that the Obama White House is confident that the recession will be over by the end of 2009. There's no way he was supposed to say that, is there?
It was Bernanke who said that, maybe he got confused. And Bernanke said that is on the condition that Obama's economic polices all work.

Bernanke said that with major caveats, and that is clearly not what I am talking about
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 07:18:32 PM
It would be odd if the WH said it any way. Obama has been going out of his way to be realistic (if not pessimistic) about the economy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 07:23:58 PM
Hence, my post


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/

I don't know how long they take to put up a transcript, but I guess it'll be up there tomorrow if it's not already headline news.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 24, 2009, 07:43:11 PM
I don't think Iraq will be calm after the troops leave.  There will either be continued ethnic cleansing or a Saddam-like dictator that rules the region with an iron fist.

Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 24, 2009, 04:45:05 PM
Haha, dumbass Mike Pence (R-IN) was just on talking up a spending freeze.  AGAIN.  What tards.

I think most Republicans these days are just looking to keep their seats.  They no longer seem interested in actually doing anything other than unrealistic propositions that they know won't pass.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 06:36:58 PM
HUD secretary just said, and repeated, that the Obama White House is confident that the recession will be over by the end of 2009. There's no way he was supposed to say that, is there?

I don't think that's really all that unrealistic at least on a technical level. But, Roubini has been saying that recovery will be so weak that it will still feel like were in it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 09:22:25 PM
watching the speech SD? Did you hear Obama, once again, call out folks who bought homes they couldn't afford?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 09:28:42 PM
Nobody messes with Joe
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 09:36:36 PM
Uncle Obama is gonna help you guys finance those new Hummers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:02:47 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 24, 2009, 09:30:09 PM
So my uncle and grandfather (the staunch Republicans I mentioned in the election threads) are making comments in their emails like "so Obama's been in office a month and it's not looking good so far," or "sorry to say, but Obama is not inspiring confidence in the markets."

What do you guys think? I can't see how any of the continued downward spiral is Obama's fault, but it seems that Republicans (not the ones in Congress, but Republican voters) are already trying to spin it that way.

Of course they are.  They won't change opinions like that EVER, no matter how well Obama does.

Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:12:33 PM
So, if Bobby Jindal was smart he'd probably just go out and get a beer.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on February 24, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
health care reform this year! :rock
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:13:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 24, 2009, 10:12:33 PM
So, if Bobby Jindal was smart he'd probably just go out and get a beer.

yeah
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 10:14:25 PM
Home run out the park
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
It was long, drawn out, and full of double speak. But, I thought the bast part was when he said dropping out of school was giving up on your country. I think that's where he can really make a huge impact.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:18:29 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:17:17 PM
It was long, drawn out, and full of double speak. But, I thought the bast part was when he said dropping out of school was giving up on your country. I think that's where he can really make a huge impact.



*yawn*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:25:43 PM
Uhhh...is anyone watching this Republican response?  Who in hell is THIS guy?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:25:56 PM
Jindal's awful.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
Jindal sounds like a kindergarden teacher, what the fuck  :lol

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Well that about wraps it up for Jindal 2012.

I hope they keep sending more sacrificial lambs to Obama after every SotU.  Next year is Sanford, 2011 is Pawlenty and 2012 will be Palin.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 10:27:35 PM
Let me tell you a story  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:27:52 PM
I feel like I'm about to get touched by this guy on the penis.  He's fucking creepy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
OMG, I cannot fucking believe the Republican party is putting this guy out there.  I mean Jesus Christ, first Sarah Palin and now this.  smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:28:56 PM
Y'all see him walking in? Pidgeon-toed and a suit that looked about three sizes too big.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:29:46 PM
Huh huh, he said "larded".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:29:57 PM
Did Jindal claim we cant trust Obama to solve the economy cause govt. messed up Katrina? Whaaaat?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:30:22 PM
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080411/Kenneth-the-Page/kenneth-the-page_l.jpg)

edit: jesus, a volcano metaphor

A FUCKING VOLCANO METAPHOR
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:31:50 PM
If Jindal is the so called rising star to beat Obama in 2012 then..... :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:32:36 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:31:50 PM
If Jindal is the so called rising star to beat Obama in 2012 then..... :lol

He'd never survive the exorcism story anyway.  SD, you guys should be grateful.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:34:11 PM
god, this guy is fucking pa kettle
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:35:04 PM
I never really liked him anyway. His stance on abortion is completely absurd (and I don't really even care about that issue). Plus those tax cuts he mentioned now have Lousyana deep in the red.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2009, 10:35:15 PM
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080411/Kenneth-the-Page/kenneth-the-page_l.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:36:42 PM
Not that I think he's the greatest, most progressive Senator ever or anything, but if you want an example of a kick ass SotU response, go back to Jim Webb in 2007.

[youtube=560,345]GjZ_pVR1mbk[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZ_pVR1mbk

[youtube=560,345]vpVgD2srqog[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVgD2srqog
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
He is in his mid 30's.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:38:09 PM
yeah jimm webb was incredible
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:40:07 PM
You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Jindal one of those Congressmen doing nothing about running up record deficits until 2007 or so?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 24, 2009, 10:40:07 PM
You know, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Jindal one of those Congressmen doing nothing about running up record deficits until 2007 or so?
Yep, he was one of the GOP congressmen during the bush years who just voted along with what he wanted.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2009, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
He is in his mid 30's.
I sometimes hate the web because you have to properly wiki every word of your post rather than throwing things out for natural discussion.

But fine. He's in his late 30s rather than his early 40s. Put an e-notch in your belt.

This doesn't negate him looking like a weirdo college republican.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:44:13 PM
chris matthews just said they outsourced the response to jindal

outsourced

lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:48:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

I can't decide what my favorite part was- a Republican pointing to Katrina mismanagement as an example of poor government or the fact that Jindal, who no doubt enabled Bush and the GOP leadership by voting for whatever they wanted, saying that Republicans just "went along" with all that wasteful spending.  Like they weren't in charge or something.  That was cute.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 10:51:34 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
He is in his mid 30's.
I sometimes hate the web because you have to properly wiki every word of your post rather than throwing things out for natural discussion.


That's a tremendous pet peeve of mine, too. Especially when you create a post with about 5 or 6 points and then same jackhole invalidates the entire thing because you get one fact wrong.


Jindal did alright. The only thing ever dynamic about him was his heritage and age. His ideas are all party line stuff .. nothing revolutionary.  People forget that Slick Willy bombed his first time on the national stage ... these guys can improve over time.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:53:39 PM
Summary:

OBAMA
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/Obama_money.gif)

JINDAL
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/smh.gif)


(yes that was shamelessly stolen from gaf)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2009, 10:54:12 PM
:bow Obama :bow2

(http://i42.tinypic.com/f06kk3.jpg)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 10:51:34 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:43:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 24, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
Anyone who is 40+ but still looks like they're wearing their Dad's suit will never be president.
He is in his mid 30's.
I sometimes hate the web because you have to properly wiki every word of your post rather than throwing things out for natural discussion.


That's a tremendous pet peeve of mine, too. Especially when you create a post with about 5 or 6 points and then same jackhole invalidates the entire thing because you get one fact wrong.




According to the AP, you're supposed to spell out five and six.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:56:36 PM
Having Bush give the republican response would probably have been less of a clusterfuck than that weird Jindal speech.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 10:57:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
According to the AP, you're supposed to spell out five and six.

:lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
Steele gonna impose a punishment on Bobby J. :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
They should have got the weird woman who thought Obama was an Arab at one of McCain's rallies give the rebuttal, it would have at least been entertaining.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:59:21 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 24, 2009, 10:57:34 PM
They should have got the weird woman who thought Obama was an Arab at one of McCain's rallies give the rebuttal, it would have at least been entertaining.

Speaking of her did any of you guys see that HBO doc. by Pelosi's daughter where she went to Palin and McCain rallies and asked them about Obama.

It was an hour of insanely racist and absurdly stupid comments from Republicans. It was both painful and amazing. It was on a few days ago.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

The focal group on Fox seems to like the guy.  A lot.

It blows my fucking ming how anyone could possibly think he did a good job or even an adequate one but Fox knows how to find 'em.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

The focal group on Fox seems to like the guy.  A lot.

It blows my fucking ming how anyone could possibly think he did a good job or even an adequate one but Fox knows how to find 'em.

There was something off about that group. They praised him for showing "patriotism". And 90% of that panel was against the stimulus when polls show like 60%+ are for it. It was weird.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 11:06:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 11:00:54 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 24, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 24, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
MSNBC are mocking jindal lol

They aren't the only ones. Go check out some conservative blogs. Good grief that was a bomb.

The focal group on Fox seems to like the guy.  A lot.

It blows my fucking ming how anyone could possibly think he did a good job or even an adequate one but Fox knows how to find 'em.

There was something off about that group. They praised him for showing "patriotism". And 90% of that panel was against the stimulus when polls show like 60%+ are for it. It was weird.

Sounds fair and balanced to me.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 24, 2009, 11:08:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHkWv1vHtHk

non-sequitur .. but made me laff.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2009, 11:16:26 PM
I'm all for Republican self-delusion.

It's been their most powerful weapon for years, though it really only worked short-term. It might get a President a second term under the right conditions (a terrorist attack that let's them wag their Jingoism cock unimpeded) while Democrats are over thinking things and are unsuccessfully getting mealy mouthed with "logic" and "proper governance" and shit.

Still, Republicans actually saying fuck it, we're all about the lulz caught up to them a lot sooner than I thought it would. If Jindal was supposed to lead them out of the wilderness then lolol. If they now have to turn to Palin instead then lololololol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 11:23:09 PM
Nate Silver brought the ether to the Jindal response:

Quote
If it sounds like Jindal is targeting his speech to a room full of fourth graders, that's because he is. They might be the next people to actually vote for Republicans again.

:lol :lol :lol Fuck owned.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2009, 11:28:59 PM
I thought 538 would die off a bit until the next election. I assumed Nate Silver would find some new obsession to occupy his brain at least until the elections in 2 years.

Glad to see he's keeping it up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 11:30:27 PM
CNN did a national snap poll after the speech.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2009/Other/Poll-1.jpg)

lolololololol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2009, 11:33:29 PM
lool @ oppose.

It is comforting to seee the opposition at such an irrelevant minority.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 11:34:17 PM
i thought snap polls are irrelevant though

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 24, 2009, 11:39:10 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 24, 2009, 11:34:17 PM
i thought snap polls are irrelevant though



Not when they support your side.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 24, 2009, 11:39:19 PM
(http://www.politicallore.com/images/kevin-tuma-ron-paul.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2009, 11:41:17 PM
Ugh, gtfo with that Ron Paul shit.  I don't go into your wingnut threads and shit it up with relevant posts, you could at least do the same in reverse.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 24, 2009, 11:52:26 PM
I was out, what's the best place to watch the speech and the response in full?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
Skimming last few pages...

There are still people who think the Cuba embargo is good policy?  Rilly?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 25, 2009, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
Skimming last few pages...

There are still people who think the Cuba embargo is good policy?  Rilly?
I was only half watching the speech but did that come up?

Seems like people stressing about Cuba are a bunch of dead-enders trying to fight battles resolved 20 years ago.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 25, 2009, 12:13:28 AM
CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS NEVER FORGET
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 12:27:46 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 25, 2009, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 12:06:51 AM
Skimming last few pages...

There are still people who think the Cuba embargo is good policy?  Rilly?
I was only half watching the speech but did that come up?

Seems like people stressing about Cuba are a bunch of dead-enders trying to fight battles resolved 20 years ago.

A mild liberalization of the embargo is tucked away into a big spending bill, and TA thought it was worthy of bolding.

Cuba policy is essentially written for hardline anti-Castro Cuban emigrants, and while I see where they're coming from (big land disputes trigger really primal reactions in people), it's a complete joke from any other perspective.  The whole thing should be chucked out the window.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 12:47:52 AM
Apartheid in South Africa was pretty awesome. Why didn't we just relax the trade rules with them back in the late 80's? Let bygones be bygones .. quit fighting battles that were resolved years ago.


We already relaxed trade with Cuba in 2000. They can buy our medicine and food .. they are just too poor to do it. Fuck em. I haven't seen the nuts and bolts of this new measure, but I'm guessing it will allow for our banks to extend Cuba credit. So, if you're in favor of enriching Castro's giant slave plantation, more power to ya.



Title: Post #3059 in which Mandark makes a subtle point
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2009, 01:27:04 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
That's why you are a democrat cheebs. As long as someone does it under the guise of "doing something good" all the negative consequences or other malfeasances can be somehow excused.

I think Christians do the same kind mental gymnastics.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 25, 2009, 01:33:03 AM
:teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2009, 01:58:09 AM
Michelle Bernard defending the Katrina point
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29379000#29380015

I've always liked getting hearing her opinion but this defense was pathetic victim blaming. Katrina is an example of government failing sure, but using that to justify this notion that "government in your life=bad" boggles my mind; seemed to bother Matthews as well but I'd imagine he didn't feel he could respond to such a racial comment.

Of course many people should have tried to get out of the city, but it was the government's job to assist them and they failed miserably - from the state government not mobilizing buses to the federal governments dropping the ball on everything else.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 02:15:31 AM
Local and state governments dropped the ball for decades before the disaster took place. They frequently diverted money away from levee projects for other infrastructure things.  Lack of adequate routes out of NO, lack of a cohesive evacuation plane (when almost every city in Florida has one) and lack of leadership up to the event.

Casinos, sport stadiums and an aquarium all received more funds and attention than the levees did.

So, from Jindal's perspective, Democrats DID drop the ball with Katrina. They owned LA politics for generations and generations. Its just not accepted from Democrats outside of the area because they believe that big brother should take care of everything. 

While the Bush adminstration did divert money away from the levees to fund the Iraq war, even if the money were spent there .. it would not have been in enough time. Nor would the existing plans been enough to hold Katrina back if they were built in time.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2009, 02:25:09 AM
I don't think he was blaming democrats for Katrina, neither am I blaming republicans over it. Instead he justified his leeriness of government meddling with the example of the Katrina fuck up...a false analogy.

Bush was put in a tough situation, trying to fix a problem that had been brewing for decades - but that doesn't excuse the piss poor response. People can hate government all they want but when disaster strikes, it's the government who's supposed to be there - and ready - to address the situation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 02:31:05 AM
Ya, you are right, he was blaming big government in general. Katrina was the perfect analogy. Decades of government neglect helped cause the problem. Then when the thing fell to shit, they responded slow and wasted millions of dollars in attempts to clean it up.

Sounds pretty close to the financial disaster we just went through.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 25, 2009, 06:17:58 AM
Jindal's rebuttal made me feel giddy.  Yet another GOP "leader" who falls far short of the hype.  It won't matter because conservatards will be hyping his rebuttal and promoting him as the next big thing.  Since the GOP's inspirational leadership is so sorely lacking these days, I can see a lot of GOP members overlooking his embarrassing speech and glorifying some of the things that he said.  I don't think this speech will do much damage to him in the long run.  Republicans have short term memories.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: gibletsngravy on February 25, 2009, 07:04:05 AM
[youtube=560,345]HVievy8bySA[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 09:28:44 AM
Quote from: T EXP on February 25, 2009, 06:17:58 AM
Jindal's rebuttal made me feel giddy.  Yet another GOP "leader" who falls far short of the hype.  It won't matter because conservatards will be hyping his rebuttal and promoting him as the next big thing.  Since the GOP's inspirational leadership is so sorely lacking these days, I can see a lot of GOP members overlooking his embarrassing speech and glorifying some of the things that he said.  I don't think this speech will do much damage to him in the long run.  Republicans have short term memories.
The GOP aren't hyping it. Republican blogs said he bombed, fox news said he was terrible, ed rolling a Republican was asked about it and said "Good night for Sarah Palin.". No way to spin how he did.


Oh and this is a lovely change. 2006 to today:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Bush-State_of_the_Union_2006.jpg)
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:38:24 AM
Any picture with Nancy Pelosi in it is not an upgrade.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 09:40:11 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:38:24 AM
Any picture with Nancy Pelosi in it is not an upgrade.


She is more doable than Dennis Hastert.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
Obama's tie is red.  Undercover republican confirmed!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night.  Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.

It should be a 70/30 scenerio. Where the majority is spent on existing technologies that have already been proven viable and can help us in the next few decades .. then a smaller amount spent on the  research for renewables that will be used in the future.

Also, cap and trade? What a joke.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on February 25, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
Obama's tie is red.  Undercover republican confirmed!

Bush's tie is blue. Undercover Democrat confirmed!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2009, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: Ganhyun on February 25, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
Obama's tie is red.  Undercover republican confirmed!

Bush's tie is blue. Undercover Democrat confirmed!

the illuminati, it seems, is not without a sense of humor

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 10:13:19 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night.  Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.

It should be a 70/30 scenerio. Where the majority is spent on existing technologies that have already been proven viable and can help us in the next few decades .. then a smaller amount spent on the  research for renewables that will be used in the future.

Also, cap and trade? What a joke.

proven viable... clean coal...

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

America should probably overcome our stigma re: nuclear power.  Personally I think we should just dump all the waste into Wyoming, preferably after we build a wall around it and stick all the Libertarians in there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: Ganhyun on February 25, 2009, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 25, 2009, 09:41:48 AM
Obama's tie is red.  Undercover republican confirmed!

Bush's tie is blue. Undercover Democrat confirmed!

Bobby Jindal's tie is candy cane striped.  Undercover Indian Santa Claus confirmed!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 10:14:53 AM
I remember Obama getting shit from Hillary and Edwards in the primary debates for being too pro-nuclear. What ever happened to that?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 10:39:33 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Also, cap and trade? What a joke.

Indeed:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/23/glover-carbon-market-pollution (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/23/glover-carbon-market-pollution)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 10:41:26 AM
While I don't particularly think cap and trade is the best thing ever, I think there should just be really obnoxious taxes on carbon emissions.  I wonder which you guys would prefer.   ::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 11:05:15 AM

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proven viable... clean coal...

DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Sure it does. There are plenty of technolgies that exist to make burning coal more efficient and cleaner. Subsidizing business expenses in making this a reality are dollars well spent. It doesn't get a lot of support because it would only favor a very few handful of states. The other congress people would rather see the money spent on new renewable energy plants built in their backyard.


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While I don't particularly think cap and trade is the best thing ever, I think there should just be really obnoxious taxes on carbon emissions.  I wonder which you guys would prefer.   

How about neither.

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 11:09:48 AM
Still running with the head in the sand crowd, huh?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 11:20:09 AM
I'm a crazy loon that still values our barely-there manufacturing base, believes in fair taxation and is still waiting for the smoking gun in the AGW scam.

It doesn't even matter .. Obama will never win over democrats in some northern states to get it passed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 11:24:50 AM
Future of the GOP right here folks:
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2009, 11:33:39 AM
That pic is begging for a quick cut to Chris Hansen coming from behind a door
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 25, 2009, 01:17:37 PM
[youtube=560,345]wROwWvq6zvw[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2009, 01:29:38 PM
PATEL!

PHILIP JOSE FARMER HAS DIED.

IS THIS TRAGEDY NOT ENOUGH TO RETURN YOU TO OUR LOVING EMBRACE?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2009, 01:33:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]hDMKivm79Bs[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 02:27:58 PM
David Brooks (lol) spits the ether.

[youtube=560,345]Q2ztrF253DE[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2ztrF253DE
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 02:37:46 PM
Brazilian Carnival queen paints Obama on her mostly nekkid body

 :nsfw

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on February 25, 2009, 02:44:59 PM
Nice body. I spent maybe 3 minutes looking for that gash. She must be wearing a thong or something
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 02:47:49 PM
I just thought of of something, how has Obama not got any shit from the religious right about going to church? He has not belonged to a church nor a denomination since he quite the United Church of Christ back in May and does not seem to attend church in DC outside the inaugural traditional stuff. I would think the Right would flip out about that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on February 25, 2009, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: gibletsngravy on February 25, 2009, 07:04:05 AM
[youtube=560,345]HVievy8bySA[/youtube]

Sorry, I just have to requote this. I made it 10 seconds without dying
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2009, 02:52:17 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 02:47:49 PM
I just thought of of something, how has Obama not got any shit from the religious right about going to church? He has not belonged to a church nor a denomination since he quite the United Church of Christ back in May and does not seem to attend church in DC outside the inaugural traditional stuff. I would think the Right would flip out about that.

He prays once a day facing the east. :teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2009, 03:01:48 PM
dude's not even a good muslim

speaking of good muslims, has djinnfash finally been caught and imprisoned or is he doing finals or something?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T234 on February 25, 2009, 03:07:43 PM
He said something about exams awhile back.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 25, 2009, 03:46:29 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night.  Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.
It should be a 70/30 scenerio. Where the majority is spent on existing technologies that have already been proven viable and can help us in the next few decades .. then a smaller amount spent on the  research for renewables that will be used in the future.
Also, cap and trade? What a joke.
He does mention investment in clean coal but I agree that this speech was pretty meaningless.  Solar and wind are not realistic energy sources for the whole US power grid.  The only alternative that works is nuclear.  It's actually safer and cleaner than coal but I don't think that most Americans are willing to believe that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
Things like Chernobyl and 3 mile island will haunt people for a half life.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on February 25, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 25, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
Things like Chernobyl and 3 mile island will haunt people for a half life.

lol, I seen what you did there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 25, 2009, 04:06:16 PM
I don't really get that cap-and-trade article:

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All this only works as the carbon price lifts. As with 1924 Château Lafite or Damian Hirst's diamond skulls, scarcity and speculation create the value. If permits are cheap, and everyone has lots, the green incentive crashes into reverse. As recession slashes output, companies pile up permits they don't need and sell them on. The price falls, and anyone who wants to pollute can afford to do so. The result is a system that does nothing at all for climate change but a lot for the bottom lines of mega-polluters such as the steelmaker Corus: industrial assistance in camouflage.

How does it "crash into reverse"?  As far as I can see, at the very worst, the obligation to procure permits is neutral, there's no way it can actually be an incentive to pollute (non-polluters can still buy up permits and not use them, right?).  And the fact that permits become easier to acquire when the economy is slow (and harder when it's booming, right?) seems like a feature, not a bug.  Whether the overall permit supply is too large or too small is a separate issue.  Am I missing something?

Also, WTF are Republicans doing spreading FUD about the effectiveness of market solutions (to problems they don't even believe exist, so why should they care if a given solution is effective anyway?)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 05:08:02 PM
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President Barack Obama wants a significant "down payment" for overhauling the health care system: $634 billion over 10 years. A senior administration official says Obama's budget calls for financing the overhaul by trimming Medicare spending and limiting tax deductions for upper-income earners. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the budget won't be released until Thursday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget)

On the heels on the House passing the $410B bill today.

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 05:13:59 PM
Again... what's your alternative?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 25, 2009, 05:13:59 PM
Again... what's your alternative?

Snark Based Economy

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2009, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 25, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 25, 2009, 05:13:59 PM
Again... what's your alternative?

Snark Based Economy

I take it more as a nervous hand wringing that all the might of the private industry will be drowned out by the big, bad evil govt.

sd, question for you- would you characterize it as problematic that 3/4 of all the wealth created from the recovery of the 2001-2002 recession went to the wealthiest?  Is it a bad thing that wages for average workers have stagnated since 1980, while CEO pay has increased from 40 times that of the average worker at their corporation to more than 500 times? 

Of course, in these troubling times, we HAVE TO CUT TAXES ON THE RICHEST!  And you wonder why Republicans are getting laughed at.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 05:32:29 PM
Pretty broad brush you're using there. You sound like the typical prepubescent GAFer.

Tax cuts are out the window. Forever. The NYT summed that up today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/business/economy/25leonhardt.html?_r=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/25/business/economy/25leonhardt.html?_r=2)

I'm just wondering how long Obama will keep up the farce that he'll only raise taxes on the top 5%.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 05:32:29 PM

I'm just wondering how long Obama will keep up the farce that he'll only raise taxes on the top 5%.
He cut taxes in the stimulus package you realize, right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 06:01:25 PM
I didn't. Thanks for telling me. How did I miss that?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 25, 2009, 06:14:13 PM
:teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 06:01:25 PM
I didn't. Thanks for telling me. How did I miss that?
So he spent over 30% of the stimulus package cutting the taxes of those making under 250k....because he secretly plans to raise them?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Cut defense spending
Overhaul health care

/dog meme
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 25, 2009, 06:53:56 PM
Nuclear power is the future.  Clean coal makes me LOL in real life.

Wind power is possible but not at large amounts.  At the very best, it is a great supplementary power source to a more reliable source.  Which could be nuclear.

Just dump the waste in Alaska, Utah, or some other conservatard state.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 25, 2009, 06:18:11 PM
So he spent over 30% of the stimulus package cutting the taxes of those making under 250k....because he secretly plans to raise them?

Come on dude. Quit playing dumb. Obviously I was talking further out. He is going to be president until at least Jan 20, 2013 last time I checked. Tomorrow he's going to unveil a budget that is mindbogglingly in the red. Those numbers remain mindbogglingly in the red thereafter (even with the administration's rose-colored assumptions). The government cannot maintain those deficits and a 4% increase only on the $250k+ers will not be enough. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2009, 08:58:47 PM
You can't put a million piece puzzle together in a day.

You have to have long term goals to be successful at anything.

Maybe in a few years, you can look back to this point and say to yourself "Self, I'm better off today because of the things I've spoken ill of back then. Damn. I should have just let things play out and then bitched."
Title: Also, everyone in the drinking game take a swig for "magically"
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2009, 12:39:45 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night.  Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.

Are you 'avin a larf?
Title: Re: Also, everyone in the drinking game take a swig for "magically"
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 26, 2009, 01:02:52 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 26, 2009, 12:39:45 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2009, 09:53:15 AM
Finally caught his speech on youtube. No mention of nuclear power, clean coal or oil refineries in his energy policy last night.  Thinking you can throw billions of dollars into the money pit that is solar/wind and that will magically improve their efficiency to match exisiting technologies is laughable.

Are you 'avin a larf?
Shuddup Mandark. Phrasing things in a certain way makes them true, durrr.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2009, 01:11:53 AM
Last time I was in West Virginia it seemed like all the billboards were for clean coal.  They really want to believe (or at least make everyone else believe) for obvious reasons.  Understandable reasons, at that.  But it's a pipe dream at this point, unproven at least as any of the mainstream renewables.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 08:31:24 AM
Budget = $1.75T deficit  :lol ... :usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 08:32:27 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/19/device-to-make-coal-plants-cleaner-passes-tests/


look at me .. im larfin

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 08:32:32 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 08:31:24 AM
Budget = $1.75T deficit  :lol ... :usacry

Yeah, sorry it's so high.  The guy you voted for twice had this habit of ordering expensive shit and not putting it on the tab.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 08:46:17 AM
Two wrongs don't make a right and blame doesn't change the fact that all this debt we've incurred for the last 30 years or so is a disaster for this country.

MSNBC has the lowlights:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29392964/)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 08:32:32 AM

Yeah, sorry it's so high.  The guy you voted for twice had this habit of ordering expensive shit and not putting it on the tab.

Weren't you the guy who would mock me every time I invoked Clinton when I defended Bush?

How the mighty have fallen.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 09:12:11 AM
"The Jack McBrayer Response To The Internet Response To The Republican Response To The President's Address To Congress."

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/clips/the-jack-mcbrayer-response-to-the-internet-response-to-the-republican-response-to-the-presidents-address-to-congress/1040641/?dst=nbc|widget|NBC%20Video&__source=nbc|widget|NBC%20Video
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 09:23:55 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 08:32:32 AM

Yeah, sorry it's so high.  The guy you voted for twice had this habit of ordering expensive shit and not putting it on the tab.

Weren't you the guy who would mock me every time I invoked Clinton when I defended Bush?

How the mighty have fallen.

Possibly.  What were you invoking, tho- the surpluses? 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on February 26, 2009, 09:49:56 AM
What's the website number for the government's recovery website? Which tube do I dial into?


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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 10:02:22 AM
Obama talking about cutting "10s of millions" here and there when he's running a $1.75T deficit makes my head spin. Its worse than McCain.

...and not one mention of the total deficit number.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 26, 2009, 09:49:56 AM
What's the website number for the government's recovery website? Which tube do I dial into?


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Yes because a man in his 60's should be an internet expert! Recovery.gov is there and full of tons of info.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 11:06:06 AM
And Obama has a fucking Macbook in the oval office, so making accusations of the administration not being internet savvy is a bit absurd.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 26, 2009, 11:09:27 AM
that makes me think LESS of obama

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 11:13:43 AM
It's just like a Democrat. Overpaying for something solely based on public perception and self-image.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 26, 2009, 11:09:27 AM
that makes me think LESS of obama

And here I thought you liked elitists.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 26, 2009, 11:18:41 AM
i like to think of the macbook as being more like reagan: gutless, overappreciated, and had its wife fucked by frank sinatra WAT
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 26, 2009, 11:19:33 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 26, 2009, 11:09:27 AM
that makes me think LESS of obama

And here I thought you liked elitists.

there's nothing elite about a macbook. now, a $5000 sager laptop running win7 beta...that's SCIENCE, my little jobsian friend
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 11:25:05 AM
Instead of giving up something for Lent I've decided to do something everyday. So, the plan is to post something nice about Obama on EB once a day until Easter. Still working on today's comment.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 11:25:05 AM
Instead of giving up something for Lent I've decided to do something everyday. So, the plan is to post something nice about Obama on EB once a day until Easter. Still working on today's comment.

Oh god, that's easy.  He wants parents to be responsible for their children.  Fuck, I just gave you today's comment.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 11:32:59 AM
Obama is a macfag, sorry to break the news. He said be buys everyone in his family macbooks.  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
So, the administration sees unemployment peaking at 8.1% this year.

Let's have a group laugh for that one.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 11:43:02 AM
9.1% is more realistic, to be honest.  And that might be wishful thinking.

It's kind of frustrating to see the Administration drag their heels on the banks.  I feel like we're going to keep throwing them money in a desperate attempt by Obama to prove that he's not a socialist and believes in the free market only to have to nationalize them in a year or two when that doesn't work.  In the interim, we'll probably have pissed away trillions of dollars on these idiot zombie banks.  smh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 26, 2009, 11:44:18 AM
The stress test will show everyone we need to nationalize the banks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 26, 2009, 11:45:01 AM
Unemployment will probably peak at 11%
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 11:48:31 AM
Yeah, Krugman has been destroying the administration over the banks the last couple days.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 11:53:46 AM
Quote from: Willco on February 26, 2009, 11:44:18 AM
The stress test will show everyone we need to nationalize the banks.

You know, I thought so too until the details started to leak out.  Apparently, they're so worried about offending the banks that they've been careful to emphasize that the stress tests aren't "pass or fail" per se, and that if a bank is found wanting apparently they have six months to get private capital injected, and if they don't THEN the govt. will inject more capital but won't nationalize.  Or "put the bank into receivership" so as not to offend the maniacs out there.  "Pre-privatization" is another fun phrase I've heard lately.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2009, 11:57:53 AM
Quote
The first Republican straw poll of the 2012 presidential campaign began this morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

Results will be announced Saturday afternoon at 4:30 p.m.

place yer bets

Romney
Jindal
Gingrich
Sanford
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 26, 2009, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 11:43:02 AM
It's kind of frustrating to see the Administration drag their heels on the banks. 

It's Geithner/Summers calling the shots and it shows. They combine big banking buddiness with cowardice into a odious package. Paul Volcker, who was willing to fuck the economy to fix it in the early 1980s, seems to have lost the internal power struggle over how the zombie banks should be handled. Summers should have never been in the administration-his Harvard antics showed what a complete tool he is.

Geithner was the wrong pick for Treasury. Should have picked the FDIC chairwoman, who actually has some guts-she fucked over Citibank on the Wachovia deal, saving in the short term a lot of jobs and in the medium term preventing Citi from being the mother of all zombie banks, called out TARP for the Hanky Panky bullshit it was, and had no qualms about putting down IndyMac and Washington Mutual like the terminally ill dogs that they are.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 26, 2009, 12:12:31 PM
Geithner sucks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2009, 12:16:59 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/tom-delay-slams-obamas-ad_n_170016.html

Delay  :lol :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
Gingrich is the only one from that group who actually has ideas.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
Gingrich is the only one from that group who actually has ideas.

Gingrich is a piece of shit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 26, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
Gingrich is the only one from that group who actually has ideas.

Gingrich is a piece of shit.

just because he tried to get his wife to do a Dirty Gonzales doesn't mean he's a piece of shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2009, 11:57:53 AM
Quote
The first Republican straw poll of the 2012 presidential campaign began this morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

Results will be announced Saturday afternoon at 4:30 p.m.

place yer bets

Romney
Jindal
Gingrich
Sanford

Romney is speaking at CPAC. He'll easily win.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 26, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
Gingrich is the only one from that group who actually has ideas.

Gingrich is a piece of shit.

just because he tried to get his wife to do a Dirty Gonzales doesn't mean he's a piece of shit

I thought it was a dirty sanchez
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 01:21:28 PM
Quote
MSNBC has just reported that a senior Pentagon official is saying that Defense Secretary Gates will lift the ban on media coverage of the return of America's war dead at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware. The decision will not give the media complete access, in that the families of the dead will be consulted to see if they will allow coverage of their loved one's return.

The announcement is expected to be made later this afternoon at a Defense Department press briefing.

Awesome.

Lots of great news this week so far.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 26, 2009, 01:30:35 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on February 26, 2009, 01:06:09 PM
I wish they would raise taxes and use it for programs like UHC.  I'm just waiting for the day when the small business I work for decides to cut our insurance benefits because our costs for health insurance are approaching what our total payroll was just 5-6 years ago.  Our company hasn't gotten much bigger, either.

Lack of affordable Health Care is killing small business in America. You can't hire or retain real talent outside of truly shitty labor markets without both health care and good pay, and it's impossible to keep up with both due to the spiraling increase in health care premiums. The entire US health care system actually locks in people to larger businesses who can better afford coverage for their employees. It's an awful situation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 01:44:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 26, 2009, 01:18:50 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 12:33:17 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 26, 2009, 12:30:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
Gingrich is the only one from that group who actually has ideas.

Gingrich is a piece of shit.

just because he tried to get his wife to do a Dirty Gonzales doesn't mean he's a piece of shit

I thought it was a dirty sanchez

referencing this

In a preview of his book "The Terror Presidency" to be published later in September 2007, Jack Goldsmith, the former head of the Office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice, corroborates many of the details of Comey's Senate testimony regarding the March 10, 2004 hospital room visit of Gonzales and Card on former Attorney General Ashcroft. Jeffrey Rosen writes this in the September 9, 2007 issue of The New York Times Magazine of his extended interview with Goldsmith, who was also in the hospital room that night:[47]

    As he recalled it to me, Goldsmith received a call in the evening from his deputy, Philbin, telling him to go to the George Washington University Hospital immediately, since Gonzales and Card were on the way there. Goldsmith raced to the hospital, double-parked outside and walked into a dark room. Ashcroft lay with a bright light shining on him and tubes and wires coming out of his body.
    Suddenly, Gonzales and Card came in the room and announced that they were there in connection with the classified program. “Ashcroft, who looked like he was near death, sort of puffed up his chest,” Goldsmith recalls. “All of a sudden, energy and color came into his face, and he said that he didn’t appreciate them coming to visit him under those circumstances, that he had concerns about the matter they were asking about and that, in any event, he wasn’t the attorney general at the moment; Jim Comey was. He actually gave a two-minute speech, and I was sure at the end of it he was going to die. It was the most amazing scene I’ve ever witnessed.”
    After a bit of silence, Goldsmith told me, Gonzales thanked Ashcroft, and he and Card walked out of the room. “At that moment,” Goldsmith recalled, “Mrs. Ashcroft, who obviously couldn’t believe what she saw happening to her sick husband, looked at Gonzales and Card as they walked out of the room and stuck her tongue out at them. She had no idea what we were discussing, but this sweet-looking woman sticking out her tongue was the ultimate expression of disapproval. It captured the feeling in the room perfectly.”


with this

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His first marriage, to his former high school geometry teacher, Jackie Battley, ended in divorce in 1981. Although Gingrich has said he doesn't remember it, Battley has said Gingrich discussed divorce terms with her while she was recuperating in the hospital from cancer surgery.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258001,00.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
Yeah Frag, I remembered thinking it odd at the time that Obama was putting Geithner in Treasury and Summers in the WH, since they're basically the same person and while I guess it's nice that they can work together well, it doesn't serve Obama to have an echo chamber on what's easily the most important issue facing his Administration.

While I generally find Olbermann to be obnoxious and overwrought, last night he had a good guest on (not Krugman, who's always good, but someone in the second segment) who made a salient point- for the entirety of these guys (Summers, Geithner) professional lives, Wall St. has gotten essentially whatever it wanted from the federal govt.  Perhaps they're not aware they can do something about this horseshit.  As always, Reagan is to blame.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 02:08:13 PM
Obama unveils $3.55 trillion budget for fiscal 2010
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-obama-budget-0226,0,2941347.story

HOLY SHIT $3.55 trillion?  This is reaching the point of insanity. :maf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 26, 2009, 02:15:39 PM
med school graduates have huge student loans (I'd imagine that most don't have their parents pay for it).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 02:18:52 PM
also malpractice insurance figures into it too

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2009, 02:27:02 PM
holy shit 3 trillion?  :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 26, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
obama's shock and awe. Give him props for being up front and honest about it, at the very least.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 02:46:17 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on February 26, 2009, 02:32:37 PM
obama's shock and awe. Give him props for being up front and honest about it, at the very least.

that's what he wants you to think so he can hide it all in the black books, secret cia projects


spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/Black_Books_titles.jpg)
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 02:08:13 PM
Obama unveils $3.55 trillion budget for fiscal 2010
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/bal-obama-budget-0226,0,2941347.story

HOLY SHIT $3.55 trillion?  This is reaching the point of insanity. :maf

We have a fuckton of problems the government needs to fix, and that costs $$$
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
So how many trillions are a trillion too many?  How many 0's have to be added before you say enough?  Please do tell.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
So how many trillions is a trillion too many?  How many 0's have to be added before you say enough?  Please do tell.

Frankly, I don't really care as long as the money is spent on things I like.  It's all monopoly money at this point, and odds are we'll be eating our own children within a decade after the inevitable collapse of civilization anyhow.

Eric P- that's change I can believe in.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
The bigger the number, the bigger the justification for raising taxes next year. No big surprise.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 26, 2009, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
So how many trillions is a trillion too many?  How many 0's have to be added before you say enough?  Please do tell.

Frankly, I don't really care as long as the money is spent on things I like.  It's all monopoly money at this point, and odds are we'll be eating our own children within a decade after the inevitable collapse of civilization anyhow.

Eric P- that's change I can believe in.

they have a new show airing currently called Free Agents

saw the first episode and liked it.  a bit more grown up than spaced/black books
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 26, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
The bigger the number, the bigger the justification for raising taxes next year. No big surprise.

That is indeed what this is all about, and what I alluded to in shock and awe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear some chatter about more tax increases this year on rich people above and beyond what's already there, or even a full Bush tax cut repeal by the House (which Obama would certainly welcome, but not propose).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on February 26, 2009, 03:27:28 PM
sigh, that is monopoly money levels sadly. A person could spend a million dollars a day since 0 AD to now, and still not break a trillion.

Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
So how many trillions is a trillion too many?  How many 0's have to be added before you say enough?  Please do tell.

Frankly, I don't really care as long as the money is spent on things I like.  It's all monopoly money at this point, and odds are we'll be eating our own children within a decade after the inevitable collapse of civilization anyhow.

So if we are gonna be eating our kids, why abort them? After all, thats less babies/children to eat.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not trying to start an abortion thing here. Also I do not support cannabalism
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ShogunOfFear on February 26, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on February 26, 2009, 03:27:28 PM

So if we are gonna be eating our kids, why abort them? After all, thats less babies/children to eat.


 :lol  I see what you did there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 03:33:05 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on February 26, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2009, 03:01:00 PM
The bigger the number, the bigger the justification for raising taxes next year. No big surprise.

That is indeed what this is all about, and what I alluded to in shock and awe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear some chatter about more tax increases this year on rich people above and beyond what's already there, or even a full Bush tax cut repeal by the House (which Obama would certainly welcome, but not propose).

I'm waiting for someone to suggest a "CEO/sports star/hollywood" tax that raises the rate on people earning like more than 5 million a year to over 50%.  It's more likely to happen in the House, where genuinely progressive/fruitcake people can get elected, but more likely to get attention if it happens in the Senate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 26, 2009, 04:12:46 PM
I can get behind that. Fuck ARod and the rest of the Yankees.

To pivot off the deficit/budget dollar figure, at this point it really doesn't matter. The total debt doesn't matter either. We've already passed the point of no return. This deficit is just icing on the cake. We're either going to default on it (highly unlikely given the parties who own it) or we are going to inflate it away (the debtors we be pissed but its better than the alternate). Its the only way to get it back to acceptable levels.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 26, 2009, 05:46:57 PM
$3.55 trillion budget, assuming there is no huge GDP contraction, is still 20-30% of the overall GDP, which isn't that high.  In fact, we're still far lower than a lot of developing and 1st world nations.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 07:25:46 PM
Looks like Obama's budget is going to close a tax loophole that exclusively benefited hedgefund managers. (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/02/funded_by_the_funds.php)

:bow Obama :bow2

:piss hedgefund managers :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
I stupidly watched Lou Dobbs and learned the attorney general is planning on taking away our gun rights and somehow a budget submitted to congress by the white house is full of pork barrel spending (apparently spending money on immagration agencies = pork barrel spending). Why did I do this.  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2009, 07:49:53 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
I stupidly watched Lou Dobbs and learned the attorney general is planning on taking away our gun rights and somehow a budget submitted to congress by the white house is full of pork barrel spending (apparently spending money on immagration agencies = pork barrel spending). Why did I do this.  :-\

The fact that Lou Dobbs continues to have a show just proves that the free market is truly a failure.  In the marketplace of ideas, Dobbs is surely bankrupt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2009, 11:05:58 PM
This woman is craving the bbc
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/26/michele-bachmann-tells-mi_n_170426.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
Michele Bachmann is still taken seriously within the party after she proclaimed congress should investigate the patriotism of congress members? lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2009, 01:32:28 AM
Take a few minutes and watch Huckabee. He's pretty good.

[youtube=560,345]X_BwDz018Ew[/youtube]


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 02:07:23 AM
Huck :bow

can't wait to see him slapping Palin down in a few years
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2009, 03:10:27 AM
I've said it before, but as batshit as some of his theories and ideas are for what he calls "government," the man is eloquent, humerous, and he seems to be a pretty cool guy to be around.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 27, 2009, 03:25:13 AM
Wayne DuMond
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 04:58:34 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 26, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
Michele Bachmann is still taken seriously within the party after she proclaimed congress should investigate the patriotism of congress members? lol

Pretty neatly sums up what's wrong with movement conservatism and the Republican party, really.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 27, 2009, 07:24:30 AM
Bachmann looks like white trash.  She just has that look to her.  Like if she wasn't in Congress, you'd find her with permed hair ringing up your goods at a Walmart checkout lane.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Q4 GDP revised down to -6.2%.

Better brace yourselves...the markets could get nasty today.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Q4 GDP revised down to -6.2%.

Better brace yourselves...the markets could get nasty today.

And what, you may ask yourself, is the loyal opposition doing while the economy burns? (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=17854)

Quote
One of the chief economic advisers to their then Presidential candidate repeatedly referred to those feeling the pain of the recession as a nation of whiners while suggesting it was all in their heads, and now, as it is blindingly obvious that we are in serious, serious trouble, the leading lights of the opposition party are spending their days getting economic advice from a handyman who could not figure out that because he made significantly less than 250 grand a year he would not be having his taxes increased, taking their political advice from a radio loudmouth, holding panels at their annual conference discussing how Al Franken and ACORN are ruining Democracy, and spending their days questioning whether or not our President is actually an American. Meanwhile, as the DOW looks like it will dip below 7000 on more horrible economic news, the grass roots movement of the party is throwing “tea parties” to protest attempts by the opposition party to address this crisis.

When you hear the wingnuts talk triumphantly about their little tea party today, that is the appropriate context (from the comments: “Remind me, was the original tea party a demonstration against 95% of the colonies getting a tax cut?”). I honestly don’t know how anyone with half a brain still identifies as a Republican or conservative. These guys seem intent on doing to the conservative brand what they did to the name liberal brand, only much more effectively. This is a bankrupt movement.

At least I'll get to see one or more major political parties die in my lifetime.  It will be some comfort as I deal with the related collapse of Western civilization.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on February 27, 2009, 11:51:18 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 27, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Q4 GDP revised down to -6.2%.

Better brace yourselves...the markets could get nasty today.

And what, you may ask yourself, is the loyal opposition doing while the economy burns? (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=17854)

Quote
One of the chief economic advisers to their then Presidential candidate repeatedly referred to those feeling the pain of the recession as a nation of whiners while suggesting it was all in their heads, and now, as it is blindingly obvious that we are in serious, serious trouble, the leading lights of the opposition party are spending their days getting economic advice from a handyman who could not figure out that because he made significantly less than 250 grand a year he would not be having his taxes increased, taking their political advice from a radio loudmouth, holding panels at their annual conference discussing how Al Franken and ACORN are ruining Democracy, and spending their days questioning whether or not our President is actually an American. Meanwhile, as the DOW looks like it will dip below 7000 on more horrible economic news, the grass roots movement of the party is throwing “tea parties” to protest attempts by the opposition party to address this crisis.

When you hear the wingnuts talk triumphantly about their little tea party today, that is the appropriate context (from the comments: “Remind me, was the original tea party a demonstration against 95% of the colonies getting a tax cut?”). I honestly don’t know how anyone with half a brain still identifies as a Republican or conservative. These guys seem intent on doing to the conservative brand what they did to the name liberal brand, only much more effectively. This is a bankrupt movement.

At least I'll get to see one or more major political parties die in my lifetime.  It will be some comfort as I deal with the related collapse of Western civilization.

Be sure to stock up on aborted fetuses if you can. Or fuck alot of hoes and have alot of kids to eat.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 11:53:03 AM
Sadly, I'm a portly vegetarian.  I expect to be among the first to be eaten by my countrymen.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 27, 2009, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 27, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
These guys seem intent on doing to the conservative brand what they did to the name liberal brand, only much more effectively. This is a bankrupt movement.

[/quote]
The point about what happened to the word liberal is interesting because I've noticed lately a shift back from using the more PC term progressive to using liberal again by democrats. Obama throws it out a lot  when talking about ideas/ideology when before it was never uttered by democrats and I heard Biden on one of the morning shows refer to himself as liberal the other day.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 27, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 27, 2009, 11:53:03 AM
Sadly, I'm a portly vegetarian.  I expect to be among the first to be eaten by my countrymen.

grain fed video editor?

 :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 12:53:08 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 27, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 08:32:41 AM
Q4 GDP revised down to -6.2%.

Better brace yourselves...the markets could get nasty today.

And what, you may ask yourself, is the loyal opposition doing while the economy burns? (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=17854)

Quote
One of the chief economic advisers to their then Presidential candidate repeatedly referred to those feeling the pain of the recession as a nation of whiners while suggesting it was all in their heads, and now, as it is blindingly obvious that we are in serious, serious trouble, the leading lights of the opposition party are spending their days getting economic advice from a handyman who could not figure out that because he made significantly less than 250 grand a year he would not be having his taxes increased, taking their political advice from a radio loudmouth, holding panels at their annual conference discussing how Al Franken and ACORN are ruining Democracy, and spending their days questioning whether or not our President is actually an American. Meanwhile, as the DOW looks like it will dip below 7000 on more horrible economic news, the grass roots movement of the party is throwing “tea parties” to protest attempts by the opposition party to address this crisis.

When you hear the wingnuts talk triumphantly about their little tea party today, that is the appropriate context (from the comments: “Remind me, was the original tea party a demonstration against 95% of the colonies getting a tax cut?”). I honestly don’t know how anyone with half a brain still identifies as a Republican or conservative. These guys seem intent on doing to the conservative brand what they did to the name liberal brand, only much more effectively. This is a bankrupt movement.

At least I'll get to see one or more major political parties die in my lifetime.  It will be some comfort as I deal with the related collapse of Western civilization.

All you need to know about today's GOP is that Joe the Plumber was a special speaker at CPAC and some other speaker said Obama isn't a citizen. Hopefully the DEMs don't do too much damage while the REPs have their heads up their asses. But, they are showing absolutely no intention of fixing themselves.

Who won the vote yesterday?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 12:56:09 PM
The straw poll?  I think they went with David Duke.

Kidding.  I would feel better about the GOP's sojourn into rank idiocy if, you know, the govt. didn't kind of need two political parties to work semi-properly.  I have a feeling that in 20 years the Blue Dog Democrats will be the 2nd party.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 27, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
Results on Saturday. I would be shocked if Romney loses it. Since of the major 2012 candidates he is one of the only ones who showed up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
Jindal admits Katrina story was fake
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindal_admits_katrina_story_was_false.php?ref=fp1

Gotta say, when I saw that on DailyKos I dismissed it as conspiracy bullshit, giving Jindal the benefit of the doubt. Marshall puts it best:

Quote
Having observed this game for a long time, I still wonder why people go there. That Bobby Jindal story about being there in the office of the sherif when he was busting through the red tape, even telling the goofball government authorities that they could come arrest Bobby too ... well, turns out Jindal didn't mean it in the sense of its actually being true. He meant it more in the very loose sense in which you say something happened when it didn't happen because you heard much later that something kind of like that had happened when you weren't there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
Well that about wraps it up for Jindal.

sd, what's your take on Utah Gov. Jim Huntsman?  Seems like he's auditioning for the role of "reasonable guy that might not be completely stupid" and attempt to lead the GOP out of the wilderness back to something resembling relevancy. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19181.html)  It's just a shame that you guys are probably gonna have to spend more time being insane before you realize that your ideas suck and THAT'S what people are rejecting.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
Guess we won't be seeing Jindal on any stations but Fox News for the next few months, to avoid questions on this farce.

Huntsman supports the gays too much, he won't last in the primaries. Huck is more effective at using centrist, non-crazy rhetoric while still carrying water for the agents of intolerance.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 27, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
Jindal admits Katrina story was fake
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindal_admits_katrina_story_was_false.php?ref=fp1

Gotta say, when I saw that on DailyKos I dismissed it as conspiracy bullshit, giving Jindal the benefit of the doubt. Marshall puts it best:

Quote
Having observed this game for a long time, I still wonder why people go there. That Bobby Jindal story about being there in the office of the sherif when he was busting through the red tape, even telling the goofball government authorities that they could come arrest Bobby too ... well, turns out Jindal didn't mean it in the sense of its actually being true. He meant it more in the very loose sense in which you say something happened when it didn't happen because you heard much later that something kind of like that had happened when you weren't there.

....really?

i mean...REALLY?

i guess we should have known something was up when later on he claimed to have totally invented "those sticky note things"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 27, 2009, 01:26:08 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 27, 2009, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 01:08:24 PM
Jindal admits Katrina story was fake
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindal_admits_katrina_story_was_false.php?ref=fp1

Gotta say, when I saw that on DailyKos I dismissed it as conspiracy bullshit, giving Jindal the benefit of the doubt. Marshall puts it best:

Quote
Having observed this game for a long time, I still wonder why people go there. That Bobby Jindal story about being there in the office of the sherif when he was busting through the red tape, even telling the goofball government authorities that they could come arrest Bobby too ... well, turns out Jindal didn't mean it in the sense of its actually being true. He meant it more in the very loose sense in which you say something happened when it didn't happen because you heard much later that something kind of like that had happened when you weren't there.

....really?

i mean...REALLY?

i guess we should have known something was up when later on he claimed to have totally invented "those sticky note things"

Wait, so his grandfather didn't actually build the taj mahal by hand?

I feel duped.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 27, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
bobbj jindal totally invented the clapper but it was stolen by democrats!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 01:44:18 PM
Never heard of the Huntsman guy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 27, 2009, 03:03:56 PM
Quote
That Bobby Jindal story about being there in the office of the sherif when he was busting through the red tape, even telling the goofball government authorities that they could come arrest Bobby too ... well, turns out Jindal didn't mean it in the sense of its actually being true. He meant it more in the very loose sense in which you say something happened when it didn't happen because you heard much later that something kind of like that had happened when you weren't there.

This was actually a dog-whistle to the base, meant to summon up memories of Reagan.  Jindal '12 confirmed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on February 27, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
A republican lied? Shit is crazy!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 27, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
Republicans will forget Jindal's fuck up if the well for 2012 candidates is dry enough.

Romney seems like he will get it...for now.  However, he is a Mormon and represents more of the neocon wing or at least the economic conservative wing.  These ranks have been decimated and the majority around are the religious fanatics and nutball outliers.  They will have more say than before and if they don't like Mormons, Romney is going to have a hard struggle.

Jindal might work because he is a fanatic and he is non-white.  If the GOP aldermen feel he is their best shot, the right wing lackeys like Rush and Hannity will smooth over Jindal's trainwreck of a rebuttal, much like how they bitched about McCain and how he wasn't a conservative but once he was the chosen candidate, they immediately got down on their knees and got his balls in their mouths.  The same will happen here.

Although if the economy collapses or has a depression, the GOP is best off not putting anyone out and just not waste their money or time.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 27, 2009, 06:38:03 PM

Although if the economy collapses or has a depression, the GOP is best off not putting anyone out and just not waste their money or time.
?

The conservatives who didn't trust Romney in 08 won't trust him in '12. No one will remember Jindal's fuck up. IMO he just ensured he won't be the clear cut chosen one
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 27, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
That Jindal thing blows my fucking mind.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 27, 2009, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 27, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
Republicans will forget Jindal's fuck up if the well for 2012 candidates is dry enough.

Romney seems like he will get it...for now.  However, he is a Mormon and represents more of the neocon wing or at least the economic conservative wing.  These ranks have been decimated and the majority around are the religious fanatics and nutball outliers.  They will have more say than before and if they don't like Mormons, Romney is going to have a hard struggle.
my very conservative Grandma would have voted for Rommney if not for the fact "He's not a real Christian."  And that was the dealbreaker.  I think she was more afraid of him then Barack Obama.

she's also a big Limbaugh fan.

If Rommney weren't a republican, his religion would be non-issue.  But seeing as how conservative Christians are about the only people you can depend on to vote for the elephants these days, he could have Ronald Reagan's re-animated corpse as a running mate and it still wouldn't improve his chances.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 27, 2009, 08:10:40 PM
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/m4m/1052407044.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 27, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 27, 2009, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 27, 2009, 06:38:03 PM
Republicans will forget Jindal's fuck up if the well for 2012 candidates is dry enough.

Romney seems like he will get it...for now.  However, he is a Mormon and represents more of the neocon wing or at least the economic conservative wing.  These ranks have been decimated and the majority around are the religious fanatics and nutball outliers.  They will have more say than before and if they don't like Mormons, Romney is going to have a hard struggle.
my very conservative Grandma would have voted for Rommney if not for the fact "He's not a real Christian."  And that was the dealbreaker.  I think she was more afraid of him then Barack Obama.

she's also a big Limbaugh fan.

If Rommney weren't a republican, his religion would be non-issue.  But seeing as how conservative Christians are about the only people you can depend on to vote for the elephants these days, he could have Ronald Reagan's re-animated corpse as a running mate and it still wouldn't improve his chances.

Romney's religion will cost him.  He already had to tap dance around his religion in 2008 and that is when there were more conservatives in the GOP ranks than just the religious right.  Now that the religious right has even more power than before, it is going to be an even bigger challenge.  Plus a lot of Republicans seemed to go wild at the "real America" bit and Romney was Governor of Taxachusetts.  He will get killed outside of his own area except maybe Michigan and Utah.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 09:13:35 PM
Not only his religion, but his liberal record as governor also is going to scare folks away. He's too wooden to appeal in the primaries. I could see him coming in 3rd or 4th in most of the southern primaries and only really dominating his home state of MI, and the mormons in Nevada/Utah

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Quote
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin leads the pack with 29%, followed by Mike Huckabee at 26%, Mitt Romney at 21% and Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal at 9%.
http://politicalwire.com/

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 27, 2009, 09:36:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Quote
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin leads the pack with 29%, followed by Mike Huckabee at 26%, Mitt Romney at 21% and Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal at 9%.
http://politicalwire.com/



And the funny thing is she won despite the fact she didn't show up and Huckabee and Romney did! Usually whoever shows up wins.  :lol


I love you Republicans, please send out Palin. Obama winning over 30 states wasn't enough. We are aiming to crack 40 next time.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 27, 2009, 10:24:56 PM
Oh man, I still refuse to believe that God loves me enough to let Palin be the nominee.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on February 27, 2009, 10:30:43 PM
If straw polls mean anything than Ron Paul is president of the Solar System!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 27, 2009, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Quote
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin leads the pack with 29%, followed by Mike Huckabee at 26%, Mitt Romney at 21% and Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal at 9%.
http://politicalwire.com/



(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/her.gif)





stolen from cajole's blog: http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/blog/animated-gifs/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 10:45:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2009, 09:15:09 PM
Quote
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin leads the pack with 29%, followed by Mike Huckabee at 26%, Mitt Romney at 21% and Lousiana Gov. Bobby Jindal at 9%.
http://politicalwire.com/

That's not the cpac straw poll, that gets done tomorrow.  That's just some random ass poll.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
Whew .. I thought it was teh CPAC poll. I was fearful for our future.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2009, 11:13:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2009, 11:11:04 PM
Whew .. I thought it was teh CPAC poll. I was fearful for our future.

:lol :lol :lol

What are you doing, still holding out hope for a Newt run?  You guys are almost certain to nominate a yahoo in 2012.  For fucks sakes, they're so dumb that they're regurgitating the "socialist" attack against Obama, cause, you know, it worked so well in THAT FUCKING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WE JUST HAD. 

And be honest with yourself- Newt is just a well spoken yahoo.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2009, 11:56:28 PM
I've determined that Newt is lazy. He'd rather sit back and critique others and collect checks instead of actually doing something. He's like Al Gore. I still think he's terrific though. The best Republican politician in my lifetime.

I really think Obama is the next Reagan. He has caused (or capitalized on?) a paradigm shift in the national scene. We could effectively see the next 16 out of 20 years run controlled by Democrats. Wouldn't surprise me at all.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 12:10:14 AM
Jindal has youtube ads on lock. Apparently he's gonna be on 60 Minutes. Wonder if they'll ask about the fake story...doubtful
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 28, 2009, 12:23:27 AM
if newt's the best you can do, you're sunk. remember his BUY EVERY LITTLE GHETTO BABY A LAPTOP proposal?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2009, 12:41:04 AM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94900671


Here's a September 22, 2008 NPR interview with Newt. Behold and weep. It's a shame we didn't have more patient, thoughtful leaders like Newt in charge at the time. We had a bunch of pansies that allowed themselves to get snowed over.

You can nitpick Newt on some minor gaffes or kooky ideas he has from time to time. You can still be brainwashed from the 90's that Newt was evil incarnate (the same way every other Republican leader has been demonized in the past 30 years) ... but overall the guy just gets it.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 28, 2009, 12:58:10 AM
is this the same newt gingrich that was wrong (or lied outright) roughly EVERY SINGLE TIME he attempted to justify the iraq war? the same newt who suggested that war critics were akin to hitler supporters, effectively godwinning himself? the same newt who regularly freaks out about gay people and atheists? the same newt gingrich that suggested that having your tires inflated at service stations was supporting big oil (http://crooksandliars.com/node/22360/print)?

yeah, if this is the best republicans can do, it's all over for your ideology -- if you can even call it one these days. :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on February 28, 2009, 12:58:31 AM
In other news, the gay hating Dobson has stepped down from Focus on the Family.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/27/dobson.steps.down/index.html?eref=rss_latest
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2009, 01:09:44 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 28, 2009, 12:58:10 AM
(http://www.artbomb.net/blog/images/newyorker.jpg)


Brbrbrbrbrrrbrrr .. Why I never!



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 02:16:22 AM
Quote from: Rman on February 28, 2009, 12:58:31 AM
In other news, the gay hating Dobson has stepped down from Focus on the Family.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/27/dobson.steps.down/index.html?eref=rss_latest


Quote
Last year, Dobson caused a huge political stir when he announced he "cannot and will not" vote for Republican nominee Sen. John McCain. He later changed his tune, after McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, calling her selection "one of the most exciting days of my life," on the syndicated Dennis Prager Show.

FML  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 02:37:39 AM
Obama at the Wizards game  :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290227027

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/003tdjqfxOfsk/610x.jpg)

[youtube=560,345]AeTWzCpalok[/youtube]

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2009, 04:08:10 AM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30725


Pat Buchanan laying it down ...


Quote

Bush Boom Continues" trilled the headline over the Lawrence Kudlow column, as George W. Bush closed out his seventh year in office.

"You can call it Goldilocks 2.0," purred Kudlow.

Yes, you could. But what a difference 12 months can make.

Final returns are now in on the eight years of George Bush. Charles McMillion of MBG Information Services has crunched the numbers. And, pace Kudlow, the only relevant comparison is to Herbert Hoover.


From January 2008, right after Kudlow's column ran, through January 2009, the U.S. economy lost 3.5 million jobs. The private sector loss of 3.65 million jobs was slightly offset by 148,000 jobs created by federal, state and local governments. Say what you will, the Bush years were boom times for Big Government.

And the private sector? Beginning and ending in recession, the Bush presidency added a net of 407,000 private sector jobs over eight years, less than 51,000 a year, the worst eight-year record since 1927-35, which includes the first six years of the Great Depression.

By January 2009, the average workweek had fallen to 33.3 hours, the lowest since record keeping began in 1964.

From Jan. 31, 2001, through Jan. 31, 2009, 4.4 million manufacturing jobs, 26 percent of all of the manufacturing jobs in the United States, disappeared.

Semiconductors and electronic component producers lost 42 percent of their jobs. Communications equipment producers lost 48 percent of their jobs. Textile and apparel producers lost, respectively, 63 percent and 61 percent of their jobs.

As a source of American jobs, manufacturing, for the first time in our history, fell below health care and education in 2001, below retail sales in 2002, below local government in 2006, below leisure and hospitality, i.e., restaurants and bars, in 2008.

Between this unprecedented loss in manufacturing capacity and jobs, and the $3.5 trillion in trade deficits in manufactured goods alone, run up by George W. Bush, the correlation is absolute.

Last week, final trade figures for 2008 came in. They make for riveting reading for Americans who yet believe that manufacturing is an indispensable element of national power.

With China exporting five times the dollar volume in goods to us as she imports from us, Beijing's trade surplus with the United States set yet another world record: $266 billion.

In those critical items the Commerce Department defines as advanced technology products (ATP), our trade deficit with China in 2008 reached an astonishing $72 billion. Since Bush took office, our total trade deficit with China in ATP exceeds $300 billion.

Which of us, China or America, has the trade profile of a mature industrial and technological power?

Americans deplore our deepening dependence on foreign regimes for the vital necessity of oil. Are they unaware that the U.S. trade deficit in manufactured goods, $440 billion, is $89 billion greater than our all-time record trade deficit of $351 billion in crude oil?

Why is a dependence on Canada, Mexico, Venezuela or Saudi Arabia for oil a greater peril than a reliance on China and Asia for vital necessities upon which our prosperity and military depend?

A week ago, the Washington Times ("Volcker Blames Recession on Trade Imbalances") reported that ex-Fed Chair Paul Volcker told Congress the "massive trade-related imbalances in the United States economy were the source of the financial crisis."

Pressed by Sen. Chris Dodd, Volcker said, "Go back to the imbalances in the economy. The United States has been consuming more than it has been producing for many years."

What "imbalances" was Volcker referring to? Perhaps these.

Since 1982, the United States has run $5.7 trillion in trade deficits in manufactured goods, and $2.1 trillion in trade deficits in auto parts, trucks and automobiles. In the Bush years alone, the United States ran more than $1 trillion in trade deficits in auto parts, trucks and cars.

These statistics, these realities -- factories closing in the United States, manufacturing jobs being outsourced in the millions to China and Asia, enormous, endless trade deficits in goods -- testify to a painful truth: America is a receding and declining world power.

And in dealing with this systemic crisis, Obama's stimulus package is as irrelevant as were the Bush tax cuts.

How do we correct those "trade-related imbalances" of which Volcker spoke? We must export more and import less, save more and spend less, produce more and consume less. We need to emulate the ants and behave less like the grasshoppers of summer.

But how do you tell that to two generations of Americans who have been raised in an era of entitlement?

America needs an Industrial Policy.

But how do you tell that to Americans indoctrinated in the hoary myth that Reed Smoot and Willis Hawley caused the Great Depression and anything that sounds like America First risks a rerun of the 1930s?

This is why I think we will never truly recover. We don't have a manufacturing base anymore.



--- ---


Krugman says that UHC will cause middle class tax increases down the road.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/opinion/27krugman.html?_r=1
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on February 28, 2009, 04:45:23 AM
eh, America is losing power in the manufacturing field but it keeps on gaining a lot in the information, communication, and entertainment fields.  no other country is close in that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 09:12:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 02:37:39 AM
Obama at the Wizards game  :lol
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=290227027

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/003tdjqfxOfsk/610x.jpg)

[youtube=560,345]AeTWzCpalok[/youtube]


(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06X66A37xg1mq/610x.jpg)
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0e1qglF2Dq4GK/610x.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on February 28, 2009, 10:10:25 AM
shit man, that's our president at a basketball game drinking a beer next to a bored hyperactive white kid

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 01:51:10 PM
You know how Bobby Jindal was criticizing the 8 billion federal fund for high speed rail in the stimulus the other night?

Seriously, you can't make this shit up. (http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/louisiana_to_seek_new_orleansb.html)

Quote
BATON ROUGE - Louisiana's transportation department plans to request federal dollars for a New Orleans to Baton Rouge passenger rail service from the same pot of railroad money in the president's economic stimulus package that Gov. Bobby Jindal criticized as unnecessary pork on national television Tuesday night.

The high-speed rail line, a topic of discussion for years, would require $110 million to upgrade existing freight lines and terminals to handle a passenger train operation, said Mark Lambert, spokesman for the Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development.

You know, these guys should probably just stfu and go try to figure out how conservative ideals and principles can relate to issues that concern Americans in the 21st century.  Instead we get to see them open their mouths to scream about the evil federal gubmint while at the same time they line up to suckle on the teat they were just bitching about.  I'd be lying if I said I didn't kind of like it, tho.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 01:53:26 PM
FoC sighting

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/teabag-300x225.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 28, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
http://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain

please tell me that's not the real john mccain
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
Oh yeah TA, here's your boy Gingrich's 12 point plan to recapture the hearts and minds of the American people. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=17900)

1. Payroll Tax Stimulus.
2. Real Middle-Income Tax Relief.
3. Reduce the Business Tax Rate.
4. Homeowner’s Assistance.
5. Control Spending So We Can Move to a Balanced Budget.
6. No State Aid Without Protection From Fraud.
7. More American Energy Now (Energy exploration).
8. Abolish Taxes on Capital Gains.
9. Protect the Rights of American Workers (from… Unions)
10. Replace Sarbanes-Oxley.
11. Abolish the Death Tax.
12. Invest in Energy and Transportation Infrastructure.

Half of that shit is tax cuts, and most of them are the same old tired Republican canards.  But Newt's an "ideas" guy, amirite?

Face it.  You guys' ideas suck.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: Crushed on February 28, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
http://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain

please tell me that's not the real john mccain

No, it is.  Well, it's someone on his staff, but you get the idea.

I find it hilariously awesome that he's still banging the earmarks drum.  His list consists of about 10 million or so in projects- big fucking deal.  Some of them are useful stuff, too, but in typical Republican "let's take something out of context so we can make fun of it to score cheap points" style you'd never know it from reading his list.  For instance the "beaver management" item is actually to go in and break up beaver dams to prevent flooding.  I guess it's a total waste to spend a little more than half a million on that- why don't we just ignore it and then let rivers flood their banks and ruin houses and shit?  Makes sense to me!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on February 28, 2009, 02:09:16 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: Crushed on February 28, 2009, 01:56:38 PM
http://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain

please tell me that's not the real john mccain

No, it is.  Well, it's someone on his staff, but you get the idea.

I find it hilariously awesome that he's still banging the earmarks drum.  His list consists of about 10 million or so in projects- big fucking deal.  Some of them are useful stuff, too, but in typical Republican "let's take something out of context so we can make fun of it to score cheap points" style you'd never know it from reading his list.  For instance the "beaver management" item is actually to go in and break up beaver dams to prevent flooding.  I guess it's a total waste to spend a little more than half a million on that- why don't we just ignore it and then let rivers flood their banks and ruin houses and shit?  Makes sense to me!

Someone screenshotted that part before he changed it:

(http://i39.tinypic.com/smgke9.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
He should ask Todd Palin. :teehee
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Also, controlling pig odor is a great help since it makes the area surrounding pig farms actually, you know, livable; studying grape genetics prevents vineyards in Washington, California, and Oregon from being wiped out from exotic fungal diseases; removing prominent gang tattoos can allow people to successfully re-enter the workforce; Mormon crickets are serious agricultural pests and can swarm roads causing traffic hazards.

tl;dr people who mock helpful applications of science and education as "pork" are dumb
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 02:23:02 PM
To Republicans anything they don't understand or don't like is automatically pork.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 28, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
Anything not spent on defense or corporate subsidies is automatically considered pork by the GOP.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
1. Payroll Tax Stimulus.
2. Real Middle-Income Tax Relief.
3. Reduce the Business Tax Rate.
4. Homeowner’s Assistance.
5. Control Spending So We Can Move to a Balanced Budget.
6. No State Aid Without Protection From Fraud.
7. More American Energy Now (Energy exploration).
8. Abolish Taxes on Capital Gains.
9. Protect the Rights of American Workers (from… Unions)
10. Replace Sarbanes-Oxley.
11. Abolish the Death Tax.
12. Invest in Energy and Transportation Infrastructure.



That's a reworded list from a biased source. I suppose I could go point by point and defend it .. but it won't change your mind, so it's wasted time.

I don't understand how you would be against some of those things.

Why are you bagging on tax cuts? 30 percent of the stimulus package had them. I don't see you railing against YA BOY, Obama.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2009, 02:49:59 PM

Why are you bagging on tax cuts? 30 percent of the stimulus package had them. I don't see you railing against YA BOY, Obama.


Those were tax cuts for people who don't make a lot of money. Newt's tax cut ideas mostly benefit the rich.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2009, 03:23:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]bcuXV99asO8[/youtube]

Just awesome.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on February 28, 2009, 03:23:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]bcuXV99asO8[/youtube]

Just awesome.
I hate that guy for some reason, his impression annoys me.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 28, 2009, 04:25:48 PM
So what happens to the budget if we don't have GDP growth of 3.2% next year and 4% for the three years after that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/economy/28recession.html?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/economy/28recession.html?_r=1&hp)

Seems just as unrealistic as their assertion that unemployment will peak at 8.1% this year.

Quote
Many economists expect that the labor data to be released next Friday will show that as many as 700,000 jobs disappeared in February, lifting the unemployment rate near 8 percent and pushing total job losses to more than four million since the recession began in December 2007.


Someone pass the hopium.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 28, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
Old people and twitter seems like a bad combination.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 28, 2009, 04:25:48 PM
So what happens to the budget if we don't have GDP growth of 3.2% next year and 4% for the three years after that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/economy/28recession.html?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/business/economy/28recession.html?_r=1&hp)

Seems just as unrealistic as their assertion that unemployment will peak at 8.1% this year.

Quote
Many economists expect that the labor data to be released next Friday will show that as many as 700,000 jobs disappeared in February, lifting the unemployment rate near 8 percent and pushing total job losses to more than four million since the recession began in December 2007.


Someone pass the hopium.



Is Beardo gonna eat his shoe now, wasn't that the deal?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
Romney wins the CPAC poll. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19443.html)

Quote
Romney took 20 percent of the vote, followed by Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal with 14 percent, Texas Rep. Ron Paul with 13 percent, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with 13 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with 10 percent and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee with 7 percent. Others on the ballot included South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist. Nine percent were undecided.

I bet if Jindal hadn't come off as the bastard child of Kenneth the Page and Mr. Rogers and/or had bothered to show up he would have won, though.  If you look at it you've got 34% going to the wingnut brigade of Palin, Jindal and Huckabee... maybe those three will hurt each other's chances if they all run early on, but I still say that Palin is mean enough to beat them all down.  Hell hath no fury like a bitchy, half bright PTA mom scorned.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 06:36:01 PM
Duude Palin could potentially make Rove's SC smears on McCain look like a day on Sesame Street. Huck kinda took jabs at Romney's faith but Palin would go all out. I bet her fliers will bring up Jindal's real name  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
The thing is you need a lot of money, to run an effective primary battle. And unlike Democrats who can run an effective campaign on small donors the GOP relies on big donors. Big Republican insider donors. Will the GOP money coffers REALLY help fund Palin's campaign? I wouldn't be surprised if they avoid her like the plague which would effectively kill her campaign.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
The thing is you need a lot of money, to run an effective primary battle. And unlike Democrats who can run an effective campaign on small donors the GOP relies on big donors. Big Republican insider donors. Will the GOP money coffers REALLY help fund Palin's campaign? I wouldn't be surprised if they avoid her like the plague which would effectively kill her campaign.

Uh, there are millions of half bright, mean PTA moms across the country just waiting to give their precious Palin piles of cash.  If Libertopians can get Ron Paul flush with cash, then whack jobs can with Palin.  And she won't spend it on blimps.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 06:46:25 PM
There are plenty of wacky religious rich donors who could fund her.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 06:48:08 PM
Speaking of that. What the fuck did Paul do with all that money? He didn't run really many ads nor had many big time rallies. All he fucking did was those debates yet had oodles of cash being spent.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2009, 06:56:28 PM
hoarded guns
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
Blimps aren't cheap.  He probably also gave a bunch of it to Amity Shlaes to say that the New Deal didn't work.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 28, 2009, 07:41:29 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
Is Beardo gonna eat his shoe now, wasn't that the deal?

What was the bet?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 28, 2009, 08:14:43 PM
Mayer is a Ron Paul supporter? Just when I thought he couldn't get douchier.

Edit: This is the first link that pops up on Google http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPCkMSTH9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPCkMSTH9A), haha, what a turd.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on February 28, 2009, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
The thing is you need a lot of money, to run an effective primary battle. And unlike Democrats who can run an effective campaign on small donors the GOP relies on big donors. Big Republican insider donors. Will the GOP money coffers REALLY help fund Palin's campaign? I wouldn't be surprised if they avoid her like the plague which would effectively kill her campaign.

Palin's an incurious twit by any appreciable measure. She'd let big conservative business interests do whatever the fuck they wanted if she was President. I don't think she'd have problems raising large sums of cash provided she had decent well-known conservative insiders in her campaign to coordinate it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on February 28, 2009, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 06:40:00 PM
The thing is you need a lot of money, to run an effective primary battle. And unlike Democrats who can run an effective campaign on small donors the GOP relies on big donors. Big Republican insider donors. Will the GOP money coffers REALLY help fund Palin's campaign? I wouldn't be surprised if they avoid her like the plague which would effectively kill her campaign.

Palin's an incurious twit by any appreciable measure. She'd let big conservative business interests do whatever the fuck they wanted if she was President. I don't think she'd have problems raising large sums of cash provided she had decent well-known conservative insiders in her campaign to coordinate it.

I don't think even the most conservative corporate business owner would actually believe she'd have a shot in the general election though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2009, 10:22:38 PM
Depends. If the economy is totally ruined sure, she might have a chance. But I still think the only way Obama loses is if he starts lying to the public/scandals/raises reg people's taxes/etc
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2009, 10:25:36 PM
Even then, as long as the Republicans look like they're distinguished mentally-challenged he'll still probably get elected.  Clinton whipped the shit out of Dole in 96 even tho two years earlier there was supposedly this massive "rebuke" of democrats for reaching too far or some shit.  Basically, as long as the Republicans are the party of Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, Clown Shoes Michael Steele and the distinguished mentally-challenged Governor's Alliance, Obama could probably show up to the 2012 debates with a doo rag and a 40 and still win relatively easily.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on February 28, 2009, 10:29:39 PM
Playboy is making a connection between Santelli, the Koch family, and Zach Christenson/Milt Rosenberg (the guys who run the Chicago radio show that got the Obama/Ayers link out into the mainstream via Stanley Kurtz). The jist is that there was a plan developed by these guys to "astroturf" Obama's economic plans. So, they gave Santelli a script (not in the literal sense) to use for a rant on CNBC. He does so and almost immediately the internet blows up with the story. Drudge has it in big red letters and websites like chicagoteaparty.com go live.  

From what I've read there may be something to this as the chicagoteaparty.com website was registered by Christenson back in August. Its certainly resonable to expect that Santelli and Christenson know each other as they are both in the media in Chicago and are of the same political persuasion.

This is a pretty damn big charge that Playboy is making. So, it'll be interesting to see where this goes.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on February 28, 2009, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 10:25:36 PM
Even then, as long as the Republicans look like they're distinguished mentally-challenged he'll still probably get elected.  Clinton whipped the shit out of Dole in 96 even tho two years earlier there was supposedly this massive "rebuke" of democrats for reaching too far or some shit.  Basically, as long as the Republicans are the party of Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, Clown Shoes Michael Steele and the distinguished mentally-challenged Governor's Alliance, Obama could probably show up to the 2012 debates with a doo rag and a 40 and still win relatively easily.
Yep.

And the GOP's that a unfixed economy could sink him isn't exactly true (as PD stated as well) The economy was far far from fixed or close to it in 1936, yet FDR won re-election. It takes a good politician, and one who has prepared the public to believe it may take more than one term to notice improvements but they are happening. Which has happened in the past, smart politicians and good leaders can do it and have done it.

Yes, the economy helped take down George HW Bush and Carter but did either of them ever have the type of personal connection from the public Obama does right now? No.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 01, 2009, 01:14:33 AM
It wasn't really the economy that brought them down .. it was their reactions (or no action in Bush Sr's case) that brought them down.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2009, 01:37:16 AM
True, but also Carter didn't instill much confidence in people, especially when compared to the charisma of Reagan. Same with Bush Sr. I don't think Obama will have that problem as long as he tells the truth. If the GOP can effectively frame him as Mr. Smith-Becomes-Washington then he's in trouble. I don't see him giving them that opportunity - at least I hope not
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2009, 02:59:50 AM
[youtube=560,345]sopRKVaiSc0[/youtube]
Jindal ANNIHILATED

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/jindals_office_tries_to_spin_katrina_story_digs_it.php?ref=fp1
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 01, 2009, 11:19:16 AM
A lot of you guys still underestimate Palin.  She is a religious fanatic who doesn't believe abortion clinic bombers are terrorists.  She is also very flexible, where she will meet and deal with anyone from big business interests to neoconfederates as long as it helps her out.  Trust me, she can get the funds.  All she really needs is some assistance to deal with "gotcha" questions and then she will be good to go.  Plus you know that she will resort to every dirty trick possible.  "Piyush?  Why is he hiding his real name?"  "I don't think Joseph Smith is a real Christian and anyone who follows his beliefs shouldn't be considered real Christians either."

The best part is that she is going to chew up and spit out the remaining scraps of the GOP.  Once Obama slaughters her, the GOP will on its deathbed.

Obama has done a pretty good job of letting people know how serious the problem is and that the solution isn't going to be fixed overnight.  All he has to do is show the public that he is making significant strides to repair the economy and they will re-elect him.  The GOP is acting too boneheaded to show any clear counterleadership.  The far right will piss and moan, like they always will, even if Obama were to get the Dow up to a miraculous 15,000 at the end of the year.  They will bitch and moan every step of the way.

Obama could lose if he does a lot of backroom shit but in even minor instances (ie, Daschle), he does a good job of purging those ranks.  He will be fine in 2012 or at least another Democrat.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 01, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
Blimps aren't cheap.  He probably also gave a bunch of it to Amity Shlaes to say that the New Deal didn't work.

His campaign didnt pay for the blimp.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2009, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 01, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
Blimps aren't cheap.  He probably also gave a bunch of it to Amity Shlaes to say that the New Deal didn't work.

His campaign didnt pay for the blimp.

Must have been the Amity Shlaes option, then.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2009, 05:27:17 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 01, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 07:00:25 PM
Blimps aren't cheap.  He probably also gave a bunch of it to Amity Shlaes to say that the New Deal didn't work.

His campaign didnt pay for the blimp.

You did? smh, how does it feel to throw your money down a vacuum
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 01, 2009, 05:30:52 PM
yea how much money did you spend on Paul FoC?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 01, 2009, 05:31:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2009, 05:27:17 PM

You did? smh, how does it feel to throw your money down a vacuum

Yes PeeDee, you got me. I paid for the blimp with all the obscene profits I was making through my hedge funds.

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I would go into more details but I have some workers I need to exploit while I light up a cuban with a hundred dollar bill.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 01, 2009, 05:33:34 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 01, 2009, 05:30:52 PM
yea how much money did you spend on Paul FoC?

like $50
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
This is why the GOP is dooooomed for the foreseeable future. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/1/12152/77957/475/703299)  Sure, lol it's a post on kos, but it's chock full of freepers and redstaters freaking out that Michael Steele and Cantor would dare, DARE I say question the wisdom of the almighty Rush.  As long as these people are allowed to dictate the direction of the party, the GOP is fucked.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 01, 2009, 05:55:44 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 01, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
This is why the GOP is dooooomed for the foreseeable future. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/1/12152/77957/475/703299)  Sure, lol it's a post on kos, but it's chock full of freepers and redstaters freaking out that Michael Steele and Cantor would dare, DARE I say question the wisdom of the almighty Rush.  As long as these people are allowed to dictate the direction of the party, the GOP is fucked.

I love the in-fighting between the GOP.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 01, 2009, 06:20:28 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 01, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
This is why the GOP is dooooomed for the foreseeable future. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/3/1/12152/77957/475/703299)  Sure, lol it's a post on kos, but it's chock full of freepers and redstaters freaking out that Michael Steele and Cantor would dare, DARE I say question the wisdom of the almighty Rush.  As long as these people are allowed to dictate the direction of the party, the GOP is fucked.
The best thing about GOP's full embrace of Rush is that it used to be that they'd be willing to cut off their own nose just to spite the dirty fucking hippies. This seems to have morphed into their number one priority is to have their 35% be hated on by the other 65% to maximum effect. They somehow feel that if they don't come across as inhuman lizards they somehow have shown weakness. Which as 300 taught us, is unforgivable.

I was honestly was hoping for an implosion, but my hunch they'd reject any semblance of sanity they might have still held and become the official ratfucker party and actually believe that this is their path out of the wilderness is progressing beyond my wildest dreams.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2009, 06:23:22 PM
Yeah, it was pretty funny.  I could see what Obama and co. were doing by making the Rush set the unofficial/official voice of the Republican party as soon as they did it, even if dimwits like Chris Matthews were saying "why is Obama putting someone like Rush on his level?  This doesn't make sense!"  And of course Rush reached for the bait... bait that didn't even have oxycodone in it, surprisingly.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2009, 04:06:27 PM
[youtube=560,345]W4EWB0Wc4wQ[/youtube]
"I'm the de facto leader of the republican party"  :lol

Rush's response

Quote
"So I am an entertainer and I have 20 million listeners because of my great song and dance routine," Limbaugh said. "Michael Steele, you are head of the Republican National Committee. You are not head of the Republican party. Tens of millions of conservatives and Republicans have nothing to do with the Republican National Committee...and when you call them asking for money, they hang up on you."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/02/steele-takes-on-rush-limb_n_171135.html

ether
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 04:57:35 PM
Rush had the biggest reception at his speech at the CPAC convention in it's history I read. Even bigger than when Reagan went there when he was running for President.

 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 02, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
well the CPAC has probably quintupled in size since then anyway, so that doesn't really mean anything.
and in other CPAC news, holy shit. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/26/michele-bachmann-tells-mi_n_170426.html)
Quote from: Michelle Bachmann to Micheal Steele
YOU BE DA MAN!  YOU BE DA MAN!!!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
At first I thought this story (http://open.salon.com/blog/kressskin/2009/03/01/michelle_bachman_to_michael_steele_me_sol_solly) was a joke, when in fact it actually turned out to be 20% true.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 02, 2009, 05:21:28 PM
"sup nicca?" - Bobby Jindal to Michael Steel 2010
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 05:21:51 PM
The Republicans are basically lurching right and purging anyone who doesn't agree. Do they actually think that is a way to win back the public? Did they at ALL pay attention to Dean's 50 state strategy used in 2006 and by Obama in 2008 where they focused growing the party rather than purifying it?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 02, 2009, 06:23:27 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 05:21:51 PM
The Republicans are basically lurching right and purging anyone who doesn't agree. Do they actually think that is a way to win back the public? Did they at ALL pay attention to Dean's 50 state strategy used in 2006 and by Obama in 2008 where they focused growing the party rather than purifying it?

Who cares?  Let them move far enough to the right to total irrelevance.

If Rush is their pied piper, that will ensure a nice Democratic supermajority until 2020
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2009, 06:25:25 PM
That's what Rush wants. The longer the GOP is in the wilderness the more Rush's influence grows.

Quote
    A man who is aggressive and bombastic, cutting and sarcastic, who dismisses the concerned citizens in network news focus groups as “losers.” With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence – exactly the image that Barack Obama most wants to affix to our philosophy and our party. And we’re cooperating! Those images of crowds of CPACers cheering Rush’s every rancorous word – we’ll be seeing them rebroadcast for a long time.

    Rush knows what he is doing. The worse conservatives do, the more important Rush becomes as leader of the ardent remnant. The better conservatives succeed, the more we become a broad national governing coalition, the more Rush will be sidelined.
http://newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=d22fe4c9-6f8c-4c0d-93af-aed79ad3b467


Also...FoC...
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/03/ron-pauls-earma.html


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 02, 2009, 06:30:19 PM
Quote
Ron Kirk, nominated as U.S. Trade Representative in the Obama administration, owes an estimated $10,000 in back taxes from earlier in the decade and has agreed to make his payments, the Senate Finance Committee said Monday.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-kirk-taxes,1,6611614.story?xid=rss-page (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/wire/sns-ap-kirk-taxes,1,6611614.story?xid=rss-page)


"Ultimately it's important for this administration to send a message that there aren't two sets of rules. You know, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes."

This guy must be uniquely qualified too.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 02, 2009, 06:32:29 PM
jesus christ

how hard is it to pay your fucking taxes?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2009, 06:52:38 PM
if you're a congressthing, paying one's taxes forces one to reveal one's alternate sources of income

but yeah, you really gotta wonder how many self-entitled wealthy americans don't pay their fuckin' taxes regardless
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2009, 07:07:50 PM
Steele backs down, apologizes to Rush
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19517.html

Is this guy totally oblivious to the fact that he's nothing more than a face, to be discarded the minute the "diversity" plan doesn't work - the personification of lip stick on a pig? Or maybe he realizes it and just doesn't care.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 07:30:30 PM
He probably saw Howard Dean and assumed he'd be that. Party chairmen rarely ever wield power. Dean was one of the few who actually had real control over what the Democrats did. While Tim Kaine his replacement is just a figurehead.  Steele is even worse than that, he is just a talking head the GOP sticks out on cable news to make the party seem "progressive" and then slap down when he does anything out of step with what they want. It's painful to watch him on CNN and stuff, he tries to seem black as hard as he can by using really stupid 1980's black slang that just makes you cringe.

Although nothing will top Mitt Romney putting his arm around a bunch of black teens for a photoshoot and then saying "Who let the dogs out?" last year.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 07:48:44 PM
From NY Times:
Quote
The spreadsheet released by Taxpayers for Common Sense shows that six Republican senators are among the top 10 earmarkers, with Mr. Cochran, the senior Republican on the Appropriations Committee in the lead.

So...Republicans are for small govt. and fiscally sound budgets eh?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 02, 2009, 07:53:11 PM
Why is Howard Dean being dissed so bad by the party? I saw a headline today where he was whining about being overlooked for HHS
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 07:57:00 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 02, 2009, 07:53:11 PM
Why is Howard Dean being dissed so bad by the party? I saw a headline today where he was whining about being overlooked for HHS
Dead was on the outs soon as Rahm came in as Chief of Staff, Rahm hates Dean with a passion and Rahm is basically second in command in the White House after Obama (he seems to have a lot more influence and power than Biden).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 02, 2009, 08:04:00 PM
Is there a reason the tax stuff is coming out for Obama nominees in particular, though?  I don't remember this happening with previous Prezzes, it was all nanny stuff.  Are they under increased scrutiny for some reason?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 02, 2009, 08:56:08 PM
Rahm was in charge of the DCCC which coordinates with the DNC with getting Democratic Congressmen elected, but also competes with them for campaign funds. Rahm was always against Dean's 50 state strategy and was a frustrated that Dean was neglecting big DC donors in favor of many small donors (which ironically got his boss into the White House)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 09:00:07 PM
Rahm was way off about the way to campaign and raise money and glad he no longer has a job in that arena, but I am glad he is Chief of Staff. He is probably the toughest and most cutthroat dem there is, it is the perfect job for him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2009, 09:16:39 PM
It's sad that Dean sowed the seeds for the dem dominance we've been seeing recently and is getting shat on now. I'm sure the big bloated dems aren't happy with Obama making big donor/special interest donors irrelevant, but he's probably less of an asshole about it than Dean was
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 02, 2009, 09:26:06 PM
That's politics though. Don't worry, they will dust off old Dean in about 6 years and he will be relevant again.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 02, 2009, 09:26:06 PM
That's politics though. Don't worry, they will dust off old Dean in about 6 years and he will be relevant again.


Dean is lucky he got such a huge role 2005-2008 that he did, most candidates would fade away after such a laughably bad primary showing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2009, 10:02:41 PM
When Steele originally made the "off the hook" comment I didn't realize that he'd be making it into his personal schtick.  I figured it was going to be a one-off thing.

Anyway, it reminded me a bit of this.

[youtube=560,345]GoBHLCfpSZA&ap=%2526fmt%3D18[/youtube]



PS Question open to the panel:  Which is dumber, Newt's 10 12 ideas to save the GOP, or Rudy's 12 commitments from the campaign?

(edit: They match up numerically!  That should make it much easier.)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2009, 10:05:14 PM
That's a tough one, Mandark.  Half of Newt's ideas were basically just tax cuts... but then again it's always fun to hate on Rudy.  But it will make TA angrier if I say Newt, so Newt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2009, 10:14:52 PM
(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/palin_limbaugh1.png)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 02, 2009, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 02, 2009, 10:14:52 PM
[img]http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/palin_limbaugh1.png[img]
Palin can see Limbaugh from her house 

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 10:24:39 PM
Republicans confuse me. They trash the media nonstop but they go absolutely batshit insane in devotion over media figureheads, far more than liberals. You'd never see Democrats acting the same way about Olbermann, Maddow...etc the way Republicans treat Rush.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2009, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 02, 2009, 10:05:14 PM
That's a tough one, Mandark.  Half of Newt's ideas were basically just tax cuts... but then again it's always fun to hate on Rudy.  But it will make TA angrier if I say Newt, so Newt.

If we were trolling, this is how I'd approach it:

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2009, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 28, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
1. Payroll Tax Stimulus.
2. Real Middle-Income Tax Relief.
3. Reduce the Business Tax Rate.
4. Homeowner’s Assistance.
5. Control Spending So We Can Move to a Balanced Budget.
6. No State Aid Without Protection From Fraud.
7. More American Energy Now (Energy exploration).
8. Abolish Taxes on Capital Gains.
9. Protect the Rights of American Workers (from… Unions)
10. Replace Sarbanes-Oxley.
11. Abolish the Death Tax.
12. Invest in Energy and Transportation Infrastructure.



That's a reworded list from a biased source.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 05, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
bubububu the source.




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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 03, 2009, 02:15:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUl-eNDzUE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUl-eNDzUE)

 :usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2009, 03:04:50 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 10:24:39 PM
Republicans confuse me. They trash the media nonstop but they go absolutely batshit insane in devotion over media figureheads, far more than liberals. You'd never see Democrats acting the same way about Olbermann, Maddow...etc the way Republicans treat Rush.

Eh, I don't think that's a good comparison at all. Is there anyone on the left comparable to Rush?

Mamacint: I see that and raise you:
[youtube=560,345]4h3cJQJkc_o[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: etiolate on March 02, 2009, 07:27:58 PM
i watched a bit of Rush's speech, his 'address to the nation' on Fox today

It was rather weird to see. I know he doesn't want to ever be officially a part of politics. He doesn't want a position or seat. He always seemed to fear the accountability mixed with the compromising. He likes the influence he has and the safety of faltering back on being a DJ. Yet, to get defensive about being called an entertainer is a switch from his status quo. His longeviety is starting to make him have this entitlement of importance and the fact that the conservatives are willing to actually have him be their leader is just bizzaro. The man makes parody songs for his job.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 10:13:22 PM
Right America Feeling Wronged was great. I love Alexandra Pelosi's docs. All of them are very funny.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 02, 2009, 10:41:32 PM
Any  person that listens to Rush after 1991, 2000 or more recently 2006 is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. In 1991, he spent an entire year lambasting Bush Sr. about his tax increases and etc .. then coddled up to him in the primary because he was invited to the White House (a move that signified his importance in the party). Right there should tell you the guy has zero principles about what he believes.

In 2000, he constantly attacked McCain as "not being conservative enough" and championed GWB as the best candidate in the field. There is no doubt he was a deciding factor in some the key southern states that carried Bush to the win.

Then in a (not so) amazing turn of face, after the humiliating defeat in 2006, he admits that he has been "carrying the water" for GWB and he will not do it anymore. He has not supported them for quite some time and doesn't believe in him. Basically, telling his audience that he lied to them the entire time just so they would go out and vote. How anyone could take this buffoon seriously after this, just boggles my mind.

That's not even touching all his hypocrisy on the drug issue or other moral failings he has. Which should be a concern to any moralists still in his audience.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
Yeah TA, I'm not so sure rigorous thinking is big with the dittoheads.  They fucking call themselves dittoheads, for the love of Christ.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 11:41:03 PM
I am still shocked at Steele. What he said on the weekend was right, but then he groveled to Rush. He is playing right into the Democrats hands.

Do they realize the Democrats are over-joyed Rush is seen as the head of the party? Do they think it is useful to play into that stereotype? All it does is make them seem more extreme and unstable as a party and scares the shit out of moderate swing voters.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: archie4208 on March 02, 2009, 11:46:54 PM
Rush and Hannity are both dirty hypocrites.  I remember them both blasting McCain during the primaries but then doing a 180 and essentially begging their audience to vote McCain in the general election.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 03, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
Rush is the new Fox News for the left. I imagine his listenership is sky rocketing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2009, 10:33:50 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 03, 2009, 10:14:34 AM
Rush is the new Fox News for the left. I imagine his listenership is sky rocketing.

...

...

...

You realize how this "paint Rush as the head of the GOP and demonize him" thing is WORKING FOR Obama, right?  RIGHT?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2009, 10:40:15 AM
(http://app.icontact.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/144597/505c39ff5ef41cbd3b69edccb7be8339/image/jpeg)

But yeah, we're a center right nation. (http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/library/report.php?ID=73)

(http://app.icontact.com/icp/loadimage.php/mogile/144597/f606409a961be91af958cf944659613c/image/jpeg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2009, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 10:13:22 PM
Right America Feeling Wronged was great. I love Alexandra Pelosi's docs. All of them are very funny.

Not really. Funny I suppose, but I dunno if it was a "documentary" as much as it's smug liberalism shining a light on the dumbest people it can find, edited to biased perfection.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 03, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2009, 12:06:54 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 02, 2009, 10:13:22 PM
Right America Feeling Wronged was great. I love Alexandra Pelosi's docs. All of them are very funny.

Not really. Funny I suppose, but I dunno if it was a "documentary" as much as it's smug liberalism shining a light on the dumbest people it can find, edited to biased perfection.
She talks to media people in it as well and shows off towns and people getting emotional and crying not just dumb comments. Her doc from 2000 "Journey's With George" was her best work. Bush chatted with her a lot and took an active part in it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2009, 12:22:19 PM
Media people ie the suit n tie liberals? ::)

The doc shows off a small percentage of the republican base and tries to make them speak for everyone. Right America my ass
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 03, 2009, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2009, 12:22:19 PM
Media people ie the suit n tie liberals? ::)

The doc shows off a small percentage of the republican base and tries to make them speak for everyone. Right America my ass
wtf? She never makes the claim they speak for everyone in the party.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 03, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
Quote
President Barack Obama's Treasury secretary says the administration will unveil a series of rules and measures in the coming months to limit the ability of international companies to avoid U.S. taxes.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96MN08G1&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96MN08G1&show_article=1)

I want to know what policy they are going to put in place to limit the ability of Obama appointee's from avoiding their taxes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2009, 03:42:01 PM
I would like to get rid of Geithner.  At first I was kind of cautiously optimistic about him because he was supposed to be a more reasonable, moderate Larry Summers.  Turns out he's a more timid, pussy Larry Summers.  Fire his ass and hire Galbraith, which would make sd insane but would be awesome.

Also, sd did you catch Breitbart's tongue bath of Rush after the cpac speech?  It was... disturbing.  Rich Lowry-Sarah Palin levels of disturbing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 03, 2009, 03:53:50 PM
I don't pay attention to Rush or anything associated with him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 03, 2009, 04:07:34 PM
Geithner fucking sucks and needs to go. Today's trial balloon of government subsidizing loans so that people can buy toxic assets for more than they are worth with no risk is the same sort of "socialize the losses" mindset (as Krugman's blog points out) that they've been doing since Hanky Panky I. It is getting absurd at this point how badly disconnected Geithner and crew are from reality and how many times they are trying to repackage the same shit in a different form.

Banks lost a ton of fucking money and need a real reckoning with some closure. Some will be OK, some will need some help, and some will have to be sold off or nationalized. Why on earth is this such a hard thing to admit to? The only explanation I can see is that Geithner just can't bring themselves to do the necessary since it would harm the "financial services sector" he has been in and around for far too long.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 03, 2009, 10:08:22 PM
http://www.dccc.org/content/sorry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 03, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2009, 12:22:19 PM
Media people ie the suit n tie liberals? ::)

The doc shows off a small percentage of the republican base and tries to make them speak for everyone. Right America my ass
in interviews she's given she said the footage shown was a representative sample of the people she filmed.  She was carrying a camera, she would speak to whomever would talk to her, and I'm guessing the people most willing to talk are usually the ones that shouldn't be.

The people who attend the conservative rallies are likely to be the most conservative people in that particular area.  I don't find it absurd at all that a high percentage of the people she talked to were radicalized.  In fact it would be the ideal situation to catch the most of them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:41:53 PM
Im not a huge fan of Cramer, but this is pretty funny.

Cramer on Obama’s Handling of Economy: ‘It’s Amateur Hour at Our Darkest Moment’
 :lol

http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=2499 (http://polijamblog.polijam.com/?p=2499)

This is awesome. In 50 years Obama will be the Jimmy Carter, but at a FDR level.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
Considering all the things Cramer has said that turned out to be absolutely, dead on WRONG (about 90%+, really) I think we can rest assured that Obama will turn out to be the greatest President of all time, ever, and that in 50 years we'll all be enjoying socialized medicine and taxing the rich. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
mmmm, universal health care and the rich footing the bill for the society that supports them
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2009, 11:49:01 PM
ON a lighter note, i was listening to Howard Stern ans co. talk about the National address the other day.

Howard noted, "Obama should have 'Made it rain' at the end of his speech."

I lol'd *shrugs*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 03, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
mmmm, universal health care and the rich footing the bill for the society that supports them
:lol :lol

We dont take kindly to rich people. Why dont they take their capital and their business some place else.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:50:53 PM
Quote
Obama will turn out to be the greatest President of all time,

Keep on living the dream my friend...


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2009, 11:52:02 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 03, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
mmmm, universal health care and the rich footing the bill for the society that supports them
:lol :lol

We dont take kindly to rich people. Why dont they take their capital and their business some place else.

why don't they go find their workers, protectors, and consumers someplace else :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 03, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
mmmm, universal health care and the rich footing the bill for the society that supports them
:lol :lol

We dont take kindly to rich people. Why dont they take their capital and their business some place else.

What?   ???

They wouldn't be here otherwise.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:52:25 PM
Wow I still cant get over the fact that faggy ass liberals think that society supports providers. Wow, god damn you people are stupid.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2009, 11:53:46 PM
they don't have anything until society lets them have it, through social contracts :smug

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2009, 11:53:49 PM
Who does support them then?

Oh wait, hypochondriac conservatives. Point taken.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:54:11 PM
Yes clearly people who don't provide are entitled something by people who do. Of course when all the producers get up and leave who is going to be there to make society work?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 03, 2009, 11:53:49 PM
Who does support them then?


This might be hard for liberals to understand but there are people in this world that support themselves. I know its an alien concept and one that might not be totally PC. but there are people who dont rely on entitlement checks or a handout and who dont rely on anything except their own ability to produce.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2009, 11:57:10 PM
Even though I'm able to produce, I take no harm in the fact that others who do benefit through my ability to produce. I'm indirectly helping the nation through the deductions in my paycheck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2009, 11:57:21 PM
society will always find someone to promote -- someone more amenable to their terms and values :smug

those who disagree can kneel in the dirt when the revolution comes :smug


and no, people can't support themselves alone. you have no rights but what society agrees to grant you. one man on an island has all the freedom in his world. when the second man arrives, he must compromise, bargain, and give up "freedoms". :smug :smug :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:57:29 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:54:11 PM
Yes clearly people who don't provide are entitled something by people who do. Of course when all the producers get up and leave who is going to be there to make society work?

But FoC we can just make laws to force people to provide!

And if that doesnt work we can all work for the federal government they are always hiring.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2009, 11:57:55 PM
Hey FoC, you're putting your money on Jim Cramer being correct about something, right?  RIGHT?

[youtube=560,345]gUkbdjetlY8[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUkbdjetlY8

The defense rests it's splooge all over your stupid, slack jawed face.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 03, 2009, 11:57:10 PM
Even though I'm able to produce, I take no harm in the fact that others who don't benefit through my ability to produce. I'm indirectly helping the nation through the deductions in my paycheck

It's an extremely inefficient way to help people but hey to each his own.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 03, 2009, 11:59:11 PM
life is inefficient. ideological purity is for the weak and stupid. that is why capitalism is dying. :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 03, 2009, 11:57:55 PM
Hey FoC, you're putting your money on Jim Cramer being correct about something, right?  RIGHT?


I dont like cramer, i said it in my original post. I just thought that one comment was funny. I guess you missed that point.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 03, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:54:11 PM
Of course when all the producers get up and leave who is going to be there to make society work?
Of course, once they take their SUPER-ALLOY and go home, who'll be laughing then?  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:00:25 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 03, 2009, 11:58:27 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 03, 2009, 11:57:10 PM
Even though I'm able to produce, I take no harm in the fact that others who don't benefit through my ability to produce. I'm indirectly helping the nation through the deductions in my paycheck

It's an extremely inefficient way to help people but hey to each his own.

I think I've heard such talk before...

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

GET THIS FUCKING COMMUNIST AND SHOOT HIS SOCIALIST ASS  :gun
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 12:00:25 AM
I think I've heard such talk before...

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."


Did obama give another speech tonight?  ???
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich


I only "worship" myself.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 04, 2009, 12:03:22 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor
Yes clearly people who don't provide are entitled something by people who do. Of course when all the producers get up and leave who is going to be there to make society work?

But FoC we can just make laws to force people to provide!

And if that doesnt work we can all work for the federal government they are always hiring.

wow, I'm impressed by your self-sufficiency in conversation as in all things

Quote
I only "worship" myself.

nice euphemism lulz
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich


I only "worship" myself.



yet you contribute nothing the free market prefers
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2009, 12:05:11 AM
FoC worships a false god confirmed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich


I only "worship" myself.



yet you contribute nothing the free market prefers

My paychecks disagree. But whatever you say.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich


I only "worship" myself.



yet you contribute nothing the free market prefers

My paychecks disagree. But whatever you say.

Paychecks, you say?  So you're working in servitude to another man?  You'll never be a prime mover if you keep this up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
Paychecks, you say?  So you're working in servitude to another man?  You'll never be a prime mover if you keep this up.
:lol

You guys aren't even trying anymore.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich


I only "worship" myself.



yet you contribute nothing the free market prefers

My paychecks disagree. But whatever you say.

my paychecks are geometrically larger than yours; therefore, the free market has judged me geometrically more preferable and therefore geometrically more correct

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:06:30 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
foc, tell us what it is like to be poor and uneducated, yet worship the rich


I only "worship" myself.



yet you contribute nothing the free market prefers

My paychecks disagree. But whatever you say.

Paychecks, you say?  So you're working in servitude to another man?  You'll never be a prime mover if you keep this up.

he is being coerced to give the fruits of his labor to another man, and paid welfare out of the kindness of the prime mover's heart. the only difference is that his owner isn't named "BIG GOVERNMENT" :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:12:05 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
he is being coerced to give the fruits of his labor to another man, and paid welfare out of the kindness of the prime mover's heart. the only difference is that his owner isn't named "BIG GOVERNMENT" :smug

Yeah I'm being coerced to freely trade goods and services for mutual benefit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
you could be making a lot more on your own without your master if you weren't looking for an easy handout :smug

lazy leeches, sigh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:16:58 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:14:59 AM
you could be making a lot more on your own without your master if you weren't looking for an easy handout :smug

lazy leeches, sigh

Seriously you guys arent even trying to troll anymore. This is just lazy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 04, 2009, 12:18:38 AM
whether he's trying or not, you are getting severely skull fucked  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:18:57 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 04, 2009, 12:18:38 AM
whether he's trying or not, you are getting severely skull fucked  :lol

 :lol

Right...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:19:00 AM
if only you had a true entrepreneur's spirit, maybe you could produce a more scathing response

sadly, as in life, you're another mediocre welfare case dragging the elites down to your level :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
None of what you say makes any sense.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 03, 2009, 11:57:10 PM
Even though I'm able to produce, I take no harm in the fact that others who do benefit through my ability to produce.

Fo' realz

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/obama_honk.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:20:56 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
None of what you say makes any sense.

For someone dumb enough to want to make movies based off of Ayn Rand's work, I honestly believe that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 04, 2009, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
None of what you say makes any sense.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1043/707822363_fe7661c61a.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:23:18 AM
I should have known that suggesting that people actually work to provide and not be punished for it was too much to ask for liberals.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:23:37 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 04, 2009, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
None of what you say makes any sense.

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1043/707822363_fe7661c61a.jpg?v=0)
:smug

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:33:31 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/screenshot_03-1.jpg)
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 12:34:53 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:23:18 AM
I should have known that suggesting that people actually work to provide and not be punished for it was too much to ask for liberals.

how DO people who make over $250K/yr survive the cruelties of coercive taxation

how i ask

wait, you wouldn't know

i'll tell you, then: it's pretty posh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
Yeah, except instead of the masters of the universe mysteriously vanishing, they robbed everyone blind and set shit on fire on their way out the door.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 12:36:00 AM
oh man what happens when the producers all leave?!

*this never happens because they rely on society and workers to make money, and they would all starve to death because they wouldn't have anything*

ANY DAY NOW!!!!

Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
Yeah, except instead of the masters of the universe mysteriously vanishing, they robbed everyone blind and set shit on fire on their way out the door.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/18dt1v.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:36:13 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 12:34:53 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:23:18 AM
I should have known that suggesting that people actually work to provide and not be punished for it was too much to ask for liberals.

how DO people who make over $250K/yr survive the cruelties of coercive taxation

how i ask

wait, you wouldn't know

i'll tell you, then: it's pretty posh

I didnt ask how they survive, I asked for it to be justified.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 12:36:00 AM
oh man what happens when the producers all leave?!

*this never happens because they rely on society and workers to make money, and they would all starve to death because they wouldn't have anything*

ANY DAY NOW!!!!

Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
Yeah, except instead of the masters of the universe mysteriously vanishing, they robbed everyone blind and set shit on fire on their way out the door.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/18dt1v.jpg)

Hey, Im all for throwing the banker back into the fire. Obama is the one saving the rich banker in the comic. hmmmm..
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:38:00 AM
FoC:  You should "go John Galt (http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2008/10/going-john-galt.html)" and leave the leeches of this message board to wither and fail in your absence, only to crawl back and beg for your return.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 12:38:15 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:36:13 AM
I didnt ask how they survive, I asked for it to be justified.

"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be anything very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."
-Adam Smith, in Wealth of Nations, the book which created modern capitalism and free market economics
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:41:12 AM
Quote from: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 12:36:00 AM
oh man what happens when the producers all leave?!

*this never happens because they rely on society and workers to make money, and they would all starve to death because they wouldn't have anything*

ANY DAY NOW!!!!

(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4624/atlass.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 12:42:26 AM
I really need to read Atlas Shrugged. Have no idea what the fuss is all about.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:42:52 AM
Whoever drew that comic didnt even read the book. Dagny worked happily in Galts gulch for 25 cents an hour.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:43:11 AM
Ya know, the threat of a societal boycott by our economic betters would carry a lot more heft if there were historical examples besides a work of (awful) fiction.

Just saying.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:43:51 AM
Not only that it insinuates that Reardon didnt create his metel.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:43:11 AM
Ya know, the threat of a societal boycott by our economic betters would carry a lot more heft if there were historical examples besides a work of (awful) fiction.

Just saying.

Collapse of the soviet union isnt enough for you?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:48:12 AM
wat?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
God not only that but Dagny actually talks about how much she wants to cook for John Galt. God damn what a shitty comic.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:49:48 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
God not only that but Dagny actually talks about how much she wants to cook for John Galt. God damn what a shitty comic.

Well, it can only be as good as it's source material.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
God not only that but Dagny actually talks about how much she wants to cook for John Galt.

Well that certainly sounds like a gripping tale.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 04, 2009, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:43:11 AM
Ya know, the threat of a societal boycott by our economic betters would carry a lot more heft if there were historical examples besides a work of (awful) fiction.

Just saying.

Collapse of the soviet union isnt enough for you?

:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:53:54 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 12:49:48 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
God not only that but Dagny actually talks about how much she wants to cook for John Galt. God damn what a shitty comic.

Well, it can only be as good as it's source material.
It would be like me making a comic about Moby dick 2 where they spend their days looking for McDonalds.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 12:54:13 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:42:52 AM
Whoever drew that comic didnt even read the book. Dagny worked happily in Galts gulch for 25 cents an hour.
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
God not only that but Dagny actually talks about how much she wants to cook for John Galt. God damn what a shitty comic.

An Ayn Rand book... that's unrealistic!?  :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:58:26 AM
Who the hell is this Dagny loser?  Does Rand's political economy depend on female labor working at slave wages, in return for the marginal utility they find from playing house with their studly industrialist overlords?

 :piss Dagny :piss2

 :bow Elizabeth Bennet :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2009, 01:03:24 AM
So the worlds great industrial capitalist elites escape the evil "socialist" parasites only to establish a agricultural based actual-socialist kibbutz?

 :rofl

I wished I'd taken the time to find the unintentional humor in the book instead of just it's mind-numbing boringness.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 01:06:55 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:43:11 AM
Ya know, the threat of a societal boycott by our economic betters would carry a lot more heft if there were historical examples besides a work of (awful) fiction.

Just saying.

Collapse of the soviet union isnt enough for you?

WAT PLUS
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 04, 2009, 01:09:40 AM
luckily upon the capitalist restoration the producers were all inspired to return to Russia in time to save the day
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 01:13:26 AM
the thing with capitalism is that if it fails you just weren't doing it right :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 04, 2009, 01:18:45 AM
much like socialism and Service-Oriented Architecture :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 04, 2009, 01:25:43 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:48:24 AM
God not only that but Dagny actually talks about how much she wants to cook for John Galt. God damn what a shitty comic.

It's sorta different when you don't have a stove-top or a frying pan or oil or a grocery store or shelter but whatever I'm sure she'll figure it all out in a jiff
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 01:30:50 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 04, 2009, 01:18:45 AM
much like socialism and Service-Oriented Architecture :smug

i am informed that socialism fails on account of it being fundamentally inefficient and flawed, sir :tophat

it's not like socialists have any incentive to try to get it right :smug


god, i'm better at this than foc

admittedly, that's like saying i run a better 40m dash than a thalidomide baby :gloomy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 04, 2009, 01:34:38 AM
I'm sure that after she's made a shelter, skinned animals for their warm fur, foraged for seeds and berries and larger game, avoided deadly predators, and become the never ending sperm dumpster/baby assembly-line for the sake of her separatist nation's future, Dagny will be glad that she still has her liberty intact.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 01:36:20 AM
Prole:  You could totally do a Cyrano de Bergerac with PD and get him on Fox News as a token black conservative pundit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 04, 2009, 02:05:19 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 04, 2009, 12:05:11 AM
FoC worships a false god confirmed.
mods, change his name to golden calf.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 02:16:00 AM
is there any sex in the book? FoC isn't selling me on it, I need more convincin'
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 04, 2009, 02:19:28 AM
there is a heroic rape scene IIRC, or maybe that's Fountainhead
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 02:30:37 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 04, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2009, 12:43:11 AM
Ya know, the threat of a societal boycott by our economic betters would carry a lot more heft if there were historical examples besides a work of (awful) fiction.

Just saying.

Collapse of the soviet union isnt enough for you?

I searched for 'WAT' on Microsoft Live Search and came up with this post. Seriously, WAT.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 08:43:35 AM
I love it. Republicans continuing to implode:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19588.html

Party leaders are starting to realize Steele is a complete joke who has no idea waht he is doing and are regretting appointing him as RNC chair and thinking it will hurt them in their hopes at a comeback.  :lol

Hey, maybe we can get back to the awesome LBJ days when Democrats had 75 senators, getting more and more likely as the days go by.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 04, 2009, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 08:43:35 AM
I love it. Republicans continuing to implode:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19588.html

Party leaders are starting to realize Steele is a complete joke who has no idea waht he is doing and are regretting appointing him as RNC chair and thinking it will hurt them in their hopes at a comeback.  :lol

Hey, maybe we can get back to the awesome LBJ days when Democrats had 75 senators, getting more and more likely as the days go by.
so when this guy get booted or "resigns due to personal reasons" by Summer's end its only going to reinforce the GOP's rep as the honkey party.

I'm still amazed he got the job in the first place.  Fucking Palin had a stronger resume then that guy.  He's obviously in over his head and is a little too fond of all the attention he's now getting.  If he weren't such an empty suit I'd almost feel sorry for him.
Quote from: U.S. News and World Report
GOP to Michael Steele: Quiet About Rush Limbaugh or You're Fired (http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/3/3/gop-to-michael-steele-quiet-about-rush-limbaugh-or-youre-fired.html)
and that's from no liberal rag there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2009, 10:22:28 AM
When did Steele mention one armed midgets? :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on March 04, 2009, 10:25:05 AM
This was probably covered already but the latest thing my Republican/Libertarian peers are throwing at me is a bill making its rounds through the house that wants to repeal the 22nd amendment: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show) anybody know anything more on this?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 10:34:43 AM
i expect this to get as far as attempts to repeal whatever law kept Arnold from becoming president did
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2009, 10:43:18 AM
Steele was on Morning Joe this morning, almost totally incoherent to the point where Scarborough kicked him off the air. :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: tiesto on March 04, 2009, 10:25:05 AM
This was probably covered already but the latest thing my Republican/Libertarian peers are throwing at me is a bill making its rounds through the house that wants to repeal the 22nd amendment: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-hj5/show) anybody know anything more on this?

If I remember correctly, he has introduced the same bill before (every year?).

In other news, the DC vote thingy died in the House yesterday.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 04, 2009, 10:49:38 AM
Haha, I guess I caught the tail end of a gag where he was replaying the Today show interview as his interview.  The actual video is funnier in its entirety.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 11:20:01 AM
ADP jobs report for Feb -697k
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 11:20:01 AM
ADP jobs report for Feb -697k

*sets penis on fire*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
Quote
   The seeds were planted in October after Democracy Corps, the Democratic polling company run by Carville and Greenberg, included Limbaugh’s name in a survey and found that many Americans just don’t like him.

    “His positives for voters under 40 was 11 percent,” Carville recalled with a degree of amazement, alluding to a question about whether voters had a positive or negative view of the talk show host.

    Paul Begala, a close friend of Carville, Greenberg and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, said they found Limbaugh’s overall ratings were even lower than the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s controversial former pastor, and William Ayers, the domestic terrorist and Chicago resident who Republicans sought to tie to Obama during the campaign.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19596.html

They couldn't have picked a more arrogant target. Rush understands perfectly what's going on but doesn't give a shit: this increases his ratings and relevance. He wouldn't be on the radar if McCain had won. Hell his most...prolific period came during Clinton's 8 years.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 11:50:30 AM
Well, it shows you the vacuum that exists in the leadership of the Republican party that this non-story is still going on. When did Obama bring it up, almost a month ago?

Steele had good intentions with his initial comments, but was just the absolute wrong guy to give it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 12:00:00 PM
Speaking of leaders, I liked this.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=87fd30a0-6464-47a3-a183-460e8c505221
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 12:00:00 PM
Speaking of leaders, I liked this.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=87fd30a0-6464-47a3-a183-460e8c505221

(http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/24be34eb-ecfe-4969-88c2-5aa898db4139/newtal1.jpg?size=l)

:lol :lol :lol

New avatar get!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2009, 12:20:30 PM
:bow Wonder Showzen :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 04, 2009, 12:23:20 PM
:bow Beardo :bow2

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28420.0

Quote from: Beardo on February 06, 2009, 10:11:36 AM
I eat a shoe if the stimulus doesn't pass and we lose 500K jobs for 6 months straight.

One more month to go!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 12:33:21 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/51uko6.jpg)

:bow teddy :bow2
:piss distinguished effete civilisations :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
Wow Crushed  :lol  :lol , nice work.

Calculated Risk today looks like a nightmare, jesus.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
8.3 million US home loans are upside down.  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 04, 2009, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 01:10:17 PM
8.3 million US home loans are upside down.  :-\

I'd love to see the data on how many of those were ARM loans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 02:05:01 PM
it's moved well beyond subprimes now, anyhow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Yes, when homes (in my area) that were built 5 years ago for 350k and are still sitting at asking prices in the 240-260k range. It's pretty close to fucking anyone that has made a home purchase in this decade.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 04, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
i'm still above water! bought my house for a meagre (lol) $232K on a fixed-rate 15-year ($40K down plus i pay on the principal like a mofo), and it's still valued at $316K

:rock :bow me :bow2 :rock

socialists: still the best with money
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 03:04:34 PM
Yea, I refinanced into a 15 year loan back in 2004 (when fixed rates were dropping like crazy. I think I got in around 5.25ish.) Best decision EVER.

If I was forced to sell today (in today's market), I would probably get back +5k what I spent on it in 2000. This is after adding a new basement, deck, windows and roof in the past 4 years. OWNED

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Yes, when homes (in my area) that were built 5 years ago for 350k and are still sitting at asking prices in the 240-260k range. It's pretty close to fucking anyone that has made a home purchase in this decade.

So far housing prices where I'm at have barely budged.  :smug  

Also, anyone who bought before 2001-2002 or so is still probably doing OK provided they didn't HELOC or cash-out refi except in the very worst of markets.

Nice article in the grey lady with some stats:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/business/04leonhardt.html?hp

Basically 2G2D is hitting the lower-educated the most right now in terms of jobs since the bubble was in construction, but the huge convulsions in the stock market should have positive impacts for younger, less established investors just now getting into their 401ks and buying their first homes-almost all of which is essentially redistributed from the most wealthy as their portfolio and real estate holdings plummet.

another point the article hinted at but didn't make - without a manufacturing base or construction work, a decent job without at least some community college/vocational school time is going to be harder and harder to get, and even then a four-year degree has cemented itself as a baseline middle class requirement. State and federal education funding and arrangements need to reflect this reality, especially when it comes to student loan debt loads and encouraging students not interested in a full white collar, four-year college job path to enroll in vocational technical schools with apprenticeship programs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Man, housing prices for non-California are damn cheap.  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on March 04, 2009, 03:07:19 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:04:47 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Yes, when homes (in my area) that were built 5 years ago for 350k and are still sitting at asking prices in the 240-260k range. It's pretty close to fucking anyone that has made a home purchase in this decade.

So far housing prices where I'm at have barely budged.  :smug 

Yup, same here... neighbor's house for instance was put on the market a year and a half ago at 470k, and they haven't budged at all with the price. I frequently read the real estate guides to get an idea of what I'm in for, and barely anything has gone down.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2009, 03:06:20 PM
Man, housing prices for non-California are damn cheap.  :'(

You can build a 3,200 sq foot home (with 2 1/2 car garage) on an acre of land for about 250-280k in rural Ohio. It's crazy cheap.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 03:13:12 PM
You can build a 3,200 sq foot home (with 2 1/2 car garage) on an acre of land for about 250-280k in rural Ohio. It's crazy cheap.

Christ, why would you NEED something that big?

I'm kind of upset with myself that I didn't save more earlier in life- I could have gotten in on the cheap in town housing in Atlanta 7-8 years ago if I'd had more money saved up.  By the time I got my shit together enough to get some money in the bank we were at the height of the boom and everything was massively overvalued, oh well.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
i'm still above water! bought my house for a meagre (lol) $232K on a fixed-rate 15-year ($40K down plus i pay on the principal like a mofo), and it's still valued at $316K

:rock :bow me :bow2 :rock

socialists: still the best with money

my wife's sisters' family was looking to move to a better school area in Seattle and it was a total bitch finding a place that was even remotely affordable, they just gave up after a year  of looking. Still a pretty strong market.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:23:32 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
Christ, why would you NEED something that big?

I swear, I want my next home to be like 1/3 the size of my current one, the problem is that houses have been getting bigger and bigger over the years. Small and cozy >>> huge mammoth unless you are dumb and have kids I guess.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/03/centrist-dems-start-rebelling-on-obamas-spending-plans.php?ref=fp1

hm
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on March 04, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
i'm still above water! bought my house for a meagre (lol) $232K on a fixed-rate 15-year ($40K down plus i pay on the principal like a mofo), and it's still valued at $316K

:rock :bow me :bow2 :rock

socialists: still the best with money

my wife's sisters' family was looking to move to a better school area in Seattle and it was a total bitch finding a place that was even remotely affordable, they just gave up after a year  of looking. Still a pretty strong market.


Are all of the decent school districts in unaffordable locations?  My wife and I were planning on flying to Seattle at the end of this month to scout out the place to maybe relocate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:38:27 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on March 04, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
i'm still above water! bought my house for a meagre (lol) $232K on a fixed-rate 15-year ($40K down plus i pay on the principal like a mofo), and it's still valued at $316K

:rock :bow me :bow2 :rock

socialists: still the best with money

my wife's sisters' family was looking to move to a better school area in Seattle and it was a total bitch finding a place that was even remotely affordable, they just gave up after a year  of looking. Still a pretty strong market.


Are all of the decent school districts in unaffordable locations?  My wife and I were planning on flying to Seattle at the end of this month to scout out the place to maybe relocate.

I  have no idea if this is really the case or if they were just sort of OCD about things. Drinky or distantmantra might know better, I live on the other coast from Seattle.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 03:43:51 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 04, 2009, 03:15:45 PM
Christ, why would you NEED something that big?

You honestly don't, I was just going big to illustrate a point. Personally, I think a house in the 1900-2300sqft range is ideal for a family of 4.

Anything bigger than that and you can have rooms/areas of the house that literally go unused year round. I've been in houses like that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
:drudge

Article writer may be a biased neoconservative capitalist pig. I have no idea.

:drudge


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/03/the_immature_white_house_1.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2009/03/the_immature_white_house_1.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 04:00:16 PM
oh those democrats

like the time they stole all the "w"s from the keyboards
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
When 87% of Republican Senators vote for a package that's NOTHING BUT TAX CUTS AND TRY TO CALL IT A STIMULUS PACKAGE then yes, they're doing nothing. 

Which brings to mind the money quote of the entire debacle from John Cole over at Balloon Juice:

Quote
I really don’t understand how bipartisanship is ever going to work when one of the parties is insane. Imagine trying to negotiate an agreement on dinner plans with your date, and you suggest Italian and she states her preference would be a meal of tire rims and anthrax. If you can figure out a way to split the difference there and find a meal you will both enjoy, you can probably figure out how bipartisanship is going to work the next few years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 04:00:16 PM
oh those democrats

like the time they stole all the "w"s from the keyboards
:teehee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T234 on March 04, 2009, 06:04:58 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on March 04, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 04, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 04, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
i'm still above water! bought my house for a meagre (lol) $232K on a fixed-rate 15-year ($40K down plus i pay on the principal like a mofo), and it's still valued at $316K

:rock :bow me :bow2 :rock

socialists: still the best with money

my wife's sisters' family was looking to move to a better school area in Seattle and it was a total bitch finding a place that was even remotely affordable, they just gave up after a year  of looking. Still a pretty strong market.


Are all of the decent school districts in unaffordable locations?  My wife and I were planning on flying to Seattle at the end of this month to scout out the place to maybe relocate.

If you do bail out of this hole, please invite me to your going away party.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:03:37 PM
They stole Ws from keybords? You shitting me? When was this?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 09:05:03 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:03:37 PM
They stole Ws from keybords? You shitting me? When was this?

Before Bush came into power in 2000, bitterness over the recount and all that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 04, 2009, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:03:37 PM
They stole Ws from keybords? You shitting me? When was this?
they didn't.  It was part of Rove's bullshit narrative about our unfairly embattered president.  It was reported that the outgoing Clinton staffers defaced the offices they left behind for Bush's team, but when questioned about ANY specific instances the press secretary couldn't come up with any.  None of these instances were photographed, no cases were prosecuted.  Its fiction.

Just another baloney sandwich to feed Hannity, Rush and co.

edit: Ah, here we go.
Quote from: George W. Bush
I will tell you one thing, just in terms of the former president. All the allegations that they took stuff off of Air Force One is simply not true, for example. (http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/02/14/bush/print.html)
and again, about the Whitehouse vandalism.
Quote
But the Air Force One story, as with the allegations of widespread White House vandalism, proved not to be true. And Bush was there to say so. "There might have been a prank or two, maybe somebody put a cartoon on the wall, but that's OK," Bush said about the White House "vandalism" on Jan. 26. "It's time now to move forward."
The story was always horseshit.  And Bob Barr and Alberto Gonzales are about as trustworthy as that guy hanging around outside the liquor store who needs a quarter to call home.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 09:16:42 PM
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/12/nation/na-clinton12

hmm, oddly i can't find the retraction even from snopes

here's one:
http://dir.salon.com/story/politics/feature/2002/06/13/scandal/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 09:17:54 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 04, 2009, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:03:37 PM
They stole Ws from keybords? You shitting me? When was this?
they didn't.  It was part of Rove's bullshit narrative about our unfairly embattered president.  It was reported that the outgoing Clinton staffers defaced the offices they left behind for Bush's team, but when questioned about ANY specific instances the press secretary couldn't come up with any.  None of these instances were photographed, no cases were prosecuted.  Its fiction.

Just another baloney sandwich to feed Hannity, Rush and co.

Really? Wow.

Oh and Obama's African Relatives came to the White House:
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/02/article-1158473-03B7CEED000005DC-413_468x286.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 09:21:35 PM
all they had was the cell phone camera handy i see
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 09:22:23 PM
Damn, if the dude to Obama's right switched places with him that would be a perfect Kid n Play vibe
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 09:24:02 PM
Do you see the look of horror on the Presidential portrait in the background?


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 09:24:02 PM
Do you see the look of horror on the Presidential portrait in the background?

:lol oh god once you see it you can't unsee it
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 09:31:47 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2009, 09:24:02 PM
Do you see the look of horror on the Presidential portrait in the background?



:lol

I love how some of them didn't even dress up for a white house visit. The dude may be his uncle or whatever but jeans at a white house event? haha
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 04, 2009, 09:36:57 PM
There's a bigger photo on the Daily Mail site where the face looks normal.  :(

But it also has some wonderful comments from Daily Mail readers about how it looks like Zimbabwe and how SOON ALL OF THE UK WILL LOOK LIKE THIS and these comments are rated highly.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
I want Andrea Tantaros to have my babies.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 09:41:35 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
I want Andrea Tantaros to have my babies.

Yeah, that would be one awesome hatefuck on my part.  One of us would never walk the same again, is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 10:33:06 PM
I'll take that black republican on MSNBC, uh Michelle Bernard  :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 10:33:06 PM
I'll take that black republican on MSNBC, uh Michelle Bernard  :drool

Ugh, she's homely as fuck.  If you want to fuck a black republican, go with Amy Holmes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 10:37:52 PM
Ew no thanks  :yuck

There's another black Michelle (it's pronounced mee-shell I think) on msnbc sometimes...black, can't remember her name. total milf/possible gilf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 10:37:52 PM
Ew no thanks  :yuck

There's another black Michelle (it's pronounced mee-shell I think) on msnbc sometimes...black, can't remember her name. total milf/possible gilf

Meshell Norris, I think.

And wtf at you not wanting to nail Amy Holmes?  Michelle Bernard has a total manface.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2009, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
I want Andrea Tantaros to have my babies.
Andrea Tantaros: <gettin' it hard>

Andrea Tantaros: <turns around>

Andrea Tantaros: Daddy?...DADDY!?!?

Guy in Clown Makeup: Durr :bawl

spoiler (click to show/hide)
try and un-see it
[close]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 10:45:57 PM
yea Meshell Norris omgg so hot.

Amy Holmes is alright looking, but so damn obnoxious. At least Bernard is a good troll at times
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
In terms of looks Holmes >>>>>>>> Bernard

But Bernard is lot smarter of a Republican than Holmes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 10:45:57 PM
yea Meshell Norris omgg so hot.

Amy Holmes is alright looking, but so damn obnoxious. At least Bernard is a good troll at times

Again, the internet has warped your fragile homeskoold mind, Maurice.  You don't pick who you want to fuck based on their trolling skillz.  Jesus!  You're fucking hopeless, no wonder you can't get any in fucking college when you have your own house.

Cheeb-o:  neither of them will cop to being Republicans, just "conservative independents".  Holmes has stated that she's a lot less socially conservative than most Republicans and Bernard is just an immigrant that hates government.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
PD you pick her:
(http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/10/michelle-bernard.gif)

over her?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l8xeX8k9lgo/SHd74bMy1nI/AAAAAAAAECU/OtE0PzkAEjw/s400/amy+holmes+and+jamal+simmons.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2009, 11:01:11 PM
Well, it shouldn't really surprise us at this point, Bernard DOES look more like she could be a cheeseburger.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 11:03:48 PM
meshell would drive me crazy when i would catch her on NPR for my commute some times
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
PD you pick her:
(http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/10/michelle-bernard.gif)

over her?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l8xeX8k9lgo/SHd74bMy1nI/AAAAAAAAECU/OtE0PzkAEjw/s400/amy+holmes+and+jamal+simmons.jpg)


It couldn't be more clear cut. Damn I'm surprised you guys disagree
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
over her?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l8xeX8k9lgo/SHd74bMy1nI/AAAAAAAAECU/OtE0PzkAEjw/s400/amy+holmes+and+jamal+simmons.jpg)


she looks like the bassist to The Thermals
(http://on-no.net/wp-content/photos/20070717_kathy_foster_shines.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 04, 2009, 11:08:44 PM
I think I should start a Republican Babes blog.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Kate Beckinsale :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 11:11:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Kate Beckinsale :o
Woah, she's a Republican?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2009, 11:11:31 PM
naked slut nazi?

hmm
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 11:14:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Kate Beckinsale :o
She had a Obama & Hillary themed birthday party for her daughter back in august. so LIAR!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3061/2713001246_a89a811d9e_o.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 08:33:43 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2009, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 04, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
PD you pick her:
[img]http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/10/michelle-bernard.gif[img]

over her?
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_l8xeX8k9lgo/SHd74bMy1nI/AAAAAAAAECU/OtE0PzkAEjw/s400/amy+holmes+and+jamal+simmons.jpg[img]

It couldn't be more clear cut. Damn I'm surprised you guys disagree

Whatever, cheeseburger lover.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 10:12:14 AM
Eric --

Submit your slogan I'm Jen O'Malley Dillon, the new Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee.

If you're anything like me, then you've had the urge to talk back to a right-wing talk radio host more than a few times. Now you can.

Rush Limbaugh has made waves lately about his desire to see President Obama fail. And he's unapologetic, even though Americans voted in November for the very kind of change the President is bringing to Washington. As even Limbaugh must know, if the President fails, America fails.

Incredibly, Republican leaders have yet to condemn Limbaugh for his destructive comments. In fact, Republicans like Congressman Eric Cantor, a leader in the House, have adopted the Limbaugh strategy, telling the Washington Post recently that their strategy on the President's jobs plan was "just saying no."

The only Republican leader to challenge Limbaugh -- the chairman of the Republican National Committee -- even called Rush to apologize just a few days later.

But we have no apologies for Rush, just a message. We need you to come up with a slogan, in ten words or less, that we'll put on a billboard where he can't miss it -- in his hometown of West Palm Beach, Florida.

Can you help us come up with a message for Rush that we'll place on a billboard right in his hometown?

We'll go through all the slogans we get, and the winner will have his or her message appear on the billboard -- and receive a free T-shirt featuring the winning slogan.

If Republican leaders aren't willing to tell Rush, then we will. Americans want President Obama to succeed. Our country's future depends on it. Rooting for the President's failure is rooting for our country to fail.

To get America back on a path to prosperity, we'll need to leave behind the failed partisan attack politics of the past. Americans voted for a new direction in November. Choosing Rush Limbaugh to be the voice of their party -- as Republican leaders have done -- is not the answer.

Send in your suggestion of ten words or less for a billboard and we'll choose the best one to put in Rush's own "backyard":

http://www.democrats.org/rushbillboard

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 10:12:28 AM
they're really pushing this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
That about wraps it up for nuclear power in the United States:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 10:20:45 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 10:12:14 AM
Eric --

Submit your slogan I'm Jen O'Malley Dillon, the new Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee.

If you're anything like me, then you've had the urge to talk back to a right-wing talk radio host more than a few times. Now you can.

Rush Limbaugh has made waves lately about his desire to see President Obama fail. And he's unapologetic, even though Americans voted in November for the very kind of change the President is bringing to Washington. As even Limbaugh must know, if the President fails, America fails.

Incredibly, Republican leaders have yet to condemn Limbaugh for his destructive comments. In fact, Republicans like Congressman Eric Cantor, a leader in the House, have adopted the Limbaugh strategy, telling the Washington Post recently that their strategy on the President's jobs plan was "just saying no."

The only Republican leader to challenge Limbaugh -- the chairman of the Republican National Committee -- even called Rush to apologize just a few days later.

But we have no apologies for Rush, just a message. We need you to come up with a slogan, in ten words or less, that we'll put on a billboard where he can't miss it -- in his hometown of West Palm Beach, Florida.

Can you help us come up with a message for Rush that we'll place on a billboard right in his hometown?

We'll go through all the slogans we get, and the winner will have his or her message appear on the billboard -- and receive a free T-shirt featuring the winning slogan.

If Republican leaders aren't willing to tell Rush, then we will. Americans want President Obama to succeed. Our country's future depends on it. Rooting for the President's failure is rooting for our country to fail.

To get America back on a path to prosperity, we'll need to leave behind the failed partisan attack politics of the past. Americans voted for a new direction in November. Choosing Rush Limbaugh to be the voice of their party -- as Republican leaders have done -- is not the answer.

Send in your suggestion of ten words or less for a billboard and we'll choose the best one to put in Rush's own "backyard":

http://www.democrats.org/rushbillboard

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee


They are controlling the Republicans public image and trying to lock them down  as being ultra-right wing wackos. It's the same stuff Republicans did to Democrats the last 8 years with their "weak on terror" "want troops to fail" stuff. It's tough politics, and it usually works.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
That about wraps it up for nuclear power in the United States:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss)


is wyoming a red state?  dump it there
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
That about wraps it up for nuclear power in the United States:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss)



Fuck off Harry Reid.

I'll be curious to see what job he goes to after his time is done. I have a guess where that may be.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 10:59:20 AM
 00Comment 00Comments
Team Obama Pulls the ‘Gray Hair’ Stunt Again
Team Obama Pulls the ‘Gray Hair’ Stunt Again

Remember when, in August of 2008, Barack Obama started talking about how his hair was going gray? He was about to head into convention season, when Republicans would spend weeks touting John McCain's experience and wisdom over Obama's much-hyped "judgment." At the time, Obama said: "When I started this campaign people called me a young man. They're not calling me that anymore." Yeah, it wasn't very subtle. And now the president, who could use a little puff piece at the moment, and who could also use a boost to his trustworthiness, is at it again. His personal barber managed to speak to two national papers on the same day about his client's increasingly silver locks. The Washington Post and New York Times both followed the fluff and produced prominent stories. "It's been [754 days], if you can believe it, since a baby-faced senator stood in the winter chill in Springfield, Ill., to declare his candidacy for president," marveled the Post. "With each debate, after every primary fight, it seems Barack Obama's tightly clipped hair became just a dash saltier." [translation: Our president is getting wiser and wiser!] "Mr. Obama seems to have noticed it at least as far back as last summer," remembers the Times. [translation: Yep! We're still writing the same story when he wants us to!]

Obama's Wearing His Grays as Distinguished Look of the Presidency [WP]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/04/AR2009030403008_pf.html

For Young President, Flecks of Gray [NYT]
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/05/us/politics/05gray.html?ref=us
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
DOW down to 6669. Obama is the anit-christ confirmed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 11:25:10 AM
DOW down to 6669. Obama is the anit-christ confirmed.

or the sexychrist
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 11:27:00 AM
Oh fuck...its at 6666 now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 11:35:37 AM
then he's....more evil than satan?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 11:46:17 AM
Of course.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 12:22:30 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15007087&postcount=13916 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15007087&postcount=13916)

Seems as if the echo chamber is starting to lose its luster.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 12:24:05 PM
i don't even know who the banned person is.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
avatar299 was a idiot. PoliGAF pretty much died after it lost you, toxicadam, & APF.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 12:34:19 PM
Poligaf lost it once the influx of Obama-kiddies came onto the scene. Nothing wrong with new people getting excited about politics, but political threads of gaf used to include a better grade of user (Ronito, Arctor, Triumph, Drinky, Guileless, APF, Mandark, Hitokage, Loki and a few others I am forgetting). I mean half a dozen users liveblogging Fox and the Daily Show is just fucking dreadful. It would have never happened three to four years ago.

It's still interesting though, merely for the volume. You can post a thought and someone is going to react to it. That didn't always happen in the past. I guess that kind of sums up Gaf as a whole. They sacrificed quality for quantity. You can still find quality, but you have to look a lot harder.


 


 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
avatar299 was a idiot. PoliGAF pretty much died after it lost you, toxicadam, & APF.

Ahem.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 05, 2009, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
avatar299 was a idiot. PoliGAF pretty much died after it lost you, toxicadam, & APF.

Ahem.
Why did you get banned anyway?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:46:37 PM
Pre-2008 PoliGAF :bow

TA claiming he may vote Obama
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5339459&postcount=17

PD claiming Obama can't win because in a "post 9/11 world" you need lots of foreign policy experience
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5339515&postcount=23

PD claiming Ill. isn't happy with Obam's job as senator
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4599619&postcount=4



I miss old PoliGAF. :(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 12:59:52 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:38:20 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 05, 2009, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
avatar299 was a idiot. PoliGAF pretty much died after it lost you, toxicadam, & APF.

Ahem.
Why did you get banned anyway?

Search for me and then look at the last thread I posted.  I believe it's titled something along the lines of "Amirox is a great big blubbery vag that is destroying political discourse on GAF" or something along those lines...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 05, 2009, 01:02:37 PM
On the bright side, Ami doesn't really contribute there anymore.  You should be allowed back :(

Honestly, it's for the best that I probably don't.  I'm already wasting enough of my time on the intertubes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 01:13:50 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 12:46:37 PM
Pre-2008 PoliGAF :bow

TA claiming he may vote Obama
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5339459&postcount=17

PD claiming Obama can't win because in a "post 9/11 world" you need lots of foreign policy experience
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5339515&postcount=23

PD claiming Ill. isn't happy with Obam's job as senator
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4599619&postcount=4



I miss old PoliGAF. :(
:lol
Early PoliGAF may have been the greatest thing ever on a message board, at least for me.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 01:18:51 PM
With a track record like that PD, you're well on your way to being a token black on CNBC.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 01:25:28 PM
my post on Obama being seen as a black man...is probably the worst post I've ever made. Fuck  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 01:30:46 PM
Triumph willing to bet money democrats won't win back control of both houses:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4464212&postcount=19

TA talking about Bill Frist as a potential front runner for the GOP primary
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2961916&postcount=28

PD saying Obama running against McCain is suicide since "2008 is all about experience"
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4599861&postcount=33


 :-[

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 01:34:26 PM
In my defense, they BARELY won control of the Senate back.  Three races (MO, MT and VA) were decided by less than 65k votes, so it pretty easily could have gone either way.  And that post was made back at the beginning of October; I'm pretty sure I came around closer to the election.

But yeah, :lol.

edit:  Cheebs, you were saying they wouldn't win control of either house too you wanker!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 01:35:39 PM
You did better than PD, who claimed they'd easily win back the senate but not the house.  :lol

But I agreed they wouldn't win back the senate I though it'd be 51-49 or whatever.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 01:36:19 PM
Hahha not the house either? Owned. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 01:40:11 PM
post the NH meltdowns   :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
The best was when TA and I took turns starting threads to rile up the global warmingists. We'd PM back and forth different stories and decide who should start the thread. God that was fun.  :lol

My favorite was the Al Gore glacier-melting house thread. I layed into Frankie from Bungie over some stoopit argument before I knew who he was.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 01:47:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 01:40:11 PM
post the NH meltdowns   :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9241486&postcount=1382

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9241617&postcount=1445
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 02:01:45 PM
I still maintain that she would have been a horrible, horrible President.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
The best was when TA and I took turns starting threads to rile up the global warmingists. We'd PM back and forth different stories and decide who should start the thread. God that was fun.  :lol


 :shh

I actually have a small network of people I PM on GAF and do this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 05, 2009, 02:06:04 PM
How can I get back into GAF?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 02:09:51 PM
You could come back as a different account, but you are so dim that you would just get permabanned in a month anyways.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 05, 2009, 02:12:57 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 05, 2009, 02:06:04 PM
How can I get back into GAF?

PM me your dick and I will give you one of my spares.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 02:03:52 PM
I actually have a small network of people I PM on GAF and do this.

Nice...let me know when one of yours gets posted.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2009, 02:48:05 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 10:19:29 AM
That about wraps it up for nuclear power in the United States:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008814298_yucca05.html?syndication=rss)
I didn't think Obama was actually stupid enough to think we would have any option but nuclear power ing the future.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 05, 2009, 02:49:58 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090304/us_time/08599188291300 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090304/us_time/08599188291300)

Obama's Middle-Class Task Force Has No Middle Class

Quote
Last Friday, Vice President Joe Biden and seven White House cabinet members traveled to Philadelphia to kick off the inaugural gathering of President Obama's Middle Class Task Force. The task force will convene monthly in cities across the country to confront the problems faced by average Americans. It's an admirable goal; with rising costs, stagnant wages and job cuts, a Pew Research study found that 78% of self-described middle class Americans have trouble maintaining their current standard of living.

Still, the middle class may have a better shot at making ends meet than at influencing the Middle Class Task Force. That's because no member of the Middle Class Task Force is actually middle class. While defining America's most beloved demographic group has never been an exact science, most academics agree that the term refers to anyone earning between $30,000 and $100,000 a year. (Median household income in the U.S. hovers around $50,000.) Every member of the President's task force - from Biden ($227,000) to Council of Economic Advisors chair Christina Romer ($172,000) to energy secretary Steven Chu ($191,000) - makes well over $150,000, putting them in the top 5% of wage earners. (See pictures of crime in Middle America.)

While middle class Americans are invited to submit questions and ideas through the task force's website, AStrongMiddleClass.gov and tickets for the Philadelphia meeting were distributed to labor and environmental groups, the task force did not accept questions from the audience. "If Biden and his team want to go into this [middle class issue]," said Daniel Morris, communications director of the Drum Major Institute, a think tank that analyzes middle class policy issues, "They're going to need to talk to real members of the middle class. There's no substitute for immediate intimate interaction."

Instead, the task force talked to Pennsylvania governor Edward Rendell ($175,000), Philadelphia mayor Michael Nutter ($167,000) and United Steelworkers of America president Leo Gerard, (who reportedly earns over $170,000). "[The Vice President] is doing the right thing," said Karen Nussbaum executive director of Working America, "but hearing directly from working people who are struggling and finding their way is an essential part of this."

In Philadelphia, the task force members and panelists spent a long time congratulating one another one on their good intentions before turning to the meeting's single topic: green jobs. The stimulus package bestows $500 million for green job training programs, $6 billion in loan guarantees for green industries, and $5 billion for a weatherization assistance program that could save homeowners up to $350 per year on utilities. Van Jones, president of Green For All, made an impassioned plea to "give young people the chance to put down that handgun and pick up a caulking gun." Greg Nelson, official Middle Class Task Force liveblogger, commented on an argument between representatives from Portland, Los Angeles, and Philly, who tried to out-green each other for the title of most environmentally friendly city. (See the top 10 green ideas of 2008.)

The task force didn't specify the number of jobs it hoped to create in the green sector, or how much of an impact the programs are expected to have on the middle class as a whole. Annie Tomasini, Biden's deputy press secretary, says the Philadelphia meeting was just "a listening session" and that the task force will not actually make any decisions regarding green job creation. They'll have to go back to Washington to do that.


Thank god for task forces.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
Obama gave PM Brown a dvd copy of his top 25 favorite movies.  Interesting picks.

1. Citizen Kane

2. The Godfather

3. Casablanca

4. Raging Bull

5. Singing In The Rain

6. Gone With The Wind

7. Lawrence Of Arabia

8. Schindler's List

9. Vertigo

10. The Wizard Of Oz

11. City Lights

12. The Searchers

13. Star Wars: Episode IV

14. Psycho

15. 2001: A Space Odyssey

16. Sunset Boulevard

17. The Graduate

18. The General

19. On The waterfront

20. It's A Wonderful Life

21. China Town

22. Some Like It Hot

23. The Grapes Of Wrath

24. ET: The Extra Terrestrial

25. To Kill A Mocking Bird.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 02:59:53 PM
26.  Soul Plane

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
27. Pootie Tang
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 03:10:59 PM
Some staffer probably made the list going off of AFI's list. A black man in his 40's and one movie from the 80's or 90's in his top 25? Whaaatevvaah

"It's a Wonderful Life" over any Bruce Lee movie? No comedies outside of "Some like it Hot"?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 05, 2009, 03:14:40 PM
That's not a list of anyone's favorite movies. In fact I think that's a list of movie we watched in film history. Pretty safe list.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
27. Dolemite
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 03:20:07 PM
28. Undercover Brother
29. House Party
30. Booty Call

edit: that's a very safe, critics-approved list of movies. You'd think he'd have a few guilty pleasures or a few obscure picks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 03:20:42 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2009, 03:10:59 PM
Some staffer probably made the list going off of AFI's list. A black man in his 40's and one movie from the 80's or 90's in his top 25? Whaaatevvaah

"It's a Wonderful Life" over any Bruce Lee movie? No comedies outside of "Some like it Hot"?


Yeah probably, I mean this is a President who loves Star Trek of all things, I doubt this would be his real list.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 03:34:47 PM
collects conan comics and spider-man but doesn't include Blacks on Blonds 12?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Tauntaun on March 05, 2009, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 05, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
27. Pootie Tang

He signed dat pitty!   :-*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 05, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
I found the new Obama Tax forms.

(http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/6/67/Tax_form.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:shh I know it says 2002
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 05, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 05, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
I found the new Obama Tax forms.
I don't agree with the message, but its kinda funny.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 05:08:22 PM
Quote
25. To Kill A Mocking Bird.

my #1  :heartbeat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 05, 2009, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 03:20:42 PM
Yeah probably, I mean this is a President who loves Star Trek of all things, I doubt this would be his real list.

You know that his real list is full of nerdmonger guilty pleasures. list is obviously done by a staffer, only the most boring of film school fegs would actually make that list.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2009, 05:43:11 PM
I don't know which has me psyched more now, Obama's presidency or the self-immolation of the American conservative movement.

On one hand, Obama's aggressively pursuing healthcare reform, implementing a carbon auction (with a progressive tax credit offset!), drawing down troops from Iraq, going after bad spending (Medicare Advantage, Sallie Mae, military procurement), and doing who knows what else.  The only mark against him, and it's a big one, is the Summers-Geithner axis of finance.

On the other hand, the GOP has Rush Limbaugh playing whack-a-mole in his own party, Maryland's own Michael Steele putting on a minstrel show, and Newt Gingrich's self-parody (http://newt.org/tabid/102/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4021/Default.aspx) and delusions of grandeur (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22closer+to+Benjamin+Franklin+than+to+George+Washington%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=).

Also, does the widespread use of "socialist" as an accusation mean that "liberal" isn't a pejorative anymore?  Cause I'm really gonna miss all that lefty navel-gazing about whether to use "progressive" instead.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
Schindler's List, Godfather, and Star Wars are all guilty pleasures at best.  I kinda expect the pundits to attention-whore about this.

Anyways, what exactly has been Obama's promises in his campaign wrt nuclear energy?  If he thinks he can put solar and wind in his pipe and smoke it for a country with the energy needs of the US, then we can be suffering the consequences for decades.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 05:57:30 PM


Might the RNC’s first black chairman not make it even two months in office? From the swarm of recent whisperings that the Republican Party is unhappy with Steele emerges the first actual call for his resignation: According to The Hill, “In an e-mail to fellow RNC members obtained by The Hill, Dr. Ada Fisher, North Carolina's national committeewoman, said Steele is ‘eroding confidence’ in the GOP and that members of his transition team should encourage him to step aside.” Fisher, one of the three black members of the RNC, sent it to Steele’s personal email and wrote, “"I don't want to hear anymore [sic] language trying to be cool about the bling in the stimulus package or appealing to D.L. Hughley and blacks in a way that isn't going to win us any votes and makes us frankly appear to many blacks as quite foolish.”
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:00:45 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 05, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
Schindler's List, Godfather, and Star Wars are all guilty pleasures at best.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/dirk_diggler_41/eek7.gif)


Quote from: am nintenho on March 05, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
If he thinks he can put solar and wind in his pipe and smoke it for a country with the energy needs of the US, then we can be suffering the consequences for decades.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/dirk_diggler_41/eek7.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 06:05:01 PM
Cramer has absolutely lost it. He's stabbing stuffed animals with a mini sword while ripping Obama. Fucking hilarious.   :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
Well none of those movies seemed to really have any benefit to the industry.  It seemed to me that people always watched them for some vague, emotional reason.

As for energy, the ONLY way to get enough power is with nuclear.  Not to mention that those technologies are time/weather dependent.

I thought that Obama was a progressive but he's really not doing anything that amazing at this point.  Nuclear is one of my personal little litmus tests that he totally bombed.

Unless he's actually planning to use like a red state or whatever for the nuclear waste.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 05, 2009, 06:11:58 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 05, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
Well none of those movies seemed to really have any benefit to the industry.  It seemed to me that people always watched them for some vague, emotional reason.

As for energy, the ONLY way to get enough power is with nuclear.  Not to mention that those technologies are time/weather dependent.

I thought that Obama was a progressive but he's really not doing anything that amazing at this point.  Nuclear is one of my personal little litmus tests that he totally bombed.

Unless he's actually planning to use like a red state or whatever for the nuclear waste.

Star Wars is possibly a guilty pleasure. But I don't see how Schindler's List and the Godfather are guilty pleasure. Especially The Godfather, which is one of the most critically acclaimed movies of all time. That's relevant because there's no reason to feel bad for liking it. It's not Pootie Tang!

I'm very pro-nuclear energy; I was confused by your metaphor.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 05, 2009, 06:16:18 PM
Nuclear energy is the future, fegs.  People that think the power grid can sustain itself on wind and solar needs to stop hitting the pipe.  It is great for supplemental sources of power but as primary?  LOL.

That said, nuclear power plants are expensive as fuck to build.  That and the amount of qualified people in the US to work on it is extremely low.  So it will be a while, unless the government offers generous subsidies and/or scholarships for nuclear type fields (nuclear engineering, etc.)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2009, 06:19:48 PM
Schindler's List could have been a good documentary but it felt very, very manipulative and kitschy to me to have it be a movie (with music, cinematography, and acting).  Godfather has amazing production wrapped around a trashy story.  The book was universally loathed by critics and the movie was universally praised.  I can watch it but I don't love it.

Back on topic, I never got the pollution complaints with nuclear power.  With the size of the hundreds coal sludge dams in the US, it's amazing that people care about a mountain in the middle of a desert.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 05, 2009, 06:20:31 PM
Nuclear plants also have huge NIMBY issues and take forever to come online. If you're looking to use energy as a pivot for the next great leap for the American economy and job creation, nuclear is a total dead end.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 06:21:31 PM
Schindler's List is a good movie until the overly sappy and contrived ending.....I wanted the story behind Schindler.....the real guy and story are way more interesting than that film will ever be.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 02:54:44 PM
Obama gave PM Brown a dvd copy of his top 25 favorite movies.  Interesting picks.

1. Citizen Kane

2. The Godfather

3. Casablanca

4. Raging Bull

5. Singing In The Rain

6. Gone With The Wind

7. Lawrence Of Arabia

8. Schindler's List

9. Vertigo

10. The Wizard Of Oz

11. City Lights

12. The Searchers

13. Star Wars: Episode IV

14. Psycho

15. 2001: A Space Odyssey

16. Sunset Boulevard

17. The Graduate

18. The General

19. On The waterfront

20. It's A Wonderful Life

21. China Town

22. Some Like It Hot

23. The Grapes Of Wrath

24. ET: The Extra Terrestrial

25. To Kill A Mocking Bird.

Are England's DVD players region locked?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 06:56:22 PM
Looks like Sanjay Gupta hasn't been paying his taxes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 07:00:20 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 06:56:22 PM
Looks like Sanjay Gupta hasn't been paying his taxes.
So has he withdrawn from being surgeon general?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 06:56:22 PM
Looks like Sanjay Gupta hasn't been paying his taxes.


That is hilarious. Getting beyond the point of ridiculousness with these people. 

I would get a glass rod shoved down my dick if I didn't pay mine.  :-*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 07:05:23 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/05/gupta.surgeon.general/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/05/gupta.surgeon.general/index.html)

Draw your own conclusions.  ;)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 05, 2009, 07:14:58 PM
I am kinda glad, Gupta is kind of annoying
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 07:15:33 PM
Where is hell does it say anything about taxes in that article?  Do my liberal goggles not allow me to see that part?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 05, 2009, 07:19:02 PM
the number of nominees who don't pay their taxes is actually pretty distressing, speculations of fiscal misbehavior on gupta's behalf notwithstanding.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on March 05, 2009, 07:21:39 PM
this is like the 21st century version of hiring illegal aliens to clean your house or tend your garden.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 05, 2009, 07:35:28 PM
Isn't limited to Washington:

http://www.macon.com/198/story/640079.html (http://www.macon.com/198/story/640079.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 05, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
you know, in the midst of all this economic crisis, there's something we need to remember

republicans wanted social security privatized holy shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2009, 07:52:38 PM
Quote from: Crushed on March 05, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
you know, in the midst of all this economic crisis, there's something we need to remember

republicans wanted social security privatized holy shit

The short term profit windfalls almost outweighed the concern for a possibility of disaster.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 05, 2009, 07:53:08 PM
If this is what it takes to bring Gupta down, so be it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2009, 07:53:34 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 05, 2009, 07:53:08 PM
If this is what it takes to bring Gupta down, so be it.

AGREED
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 05, 2009, 07:55:33 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 05, 2009, 07:52:38 PM
Quote from: Crushed on March 05, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
you know, in the midst of all this economic crisis, there's something we need to remember

republicans wanted social security privatized holy shit

The short term profit windfalls almost outweighed the concern for a possibility of disaster.


Not counting the ~$1-2 Trillion transition costs that were somehow never factored into whatever gains a "personal account" SS might see.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2009, 11:13:48 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 05, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
Schindler's List, Godfather, and Star Wars are all guilty pleasures at best.  I kinda expect the pundits to attention-whore about this.


jesus christ
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 12:27:02 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123630125365247061.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123630125365247061.html)

Remember when $1B was a lot of money? Like 6 months ago. Yeah, good times.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 12:30:26 AM
I remember going apeshit when the Army let 8 billion dollars go unaccounted for in Iraq. Then there was the time we freaked out about all the people who scammed the government for those Katrina debit cards. Hahah .. small change.

We're fucked.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on March 06, 2009, 01:18:29 AM
Goddamn.  Half a trillion dollars?!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
More minor fearmongering from the left to pass their agenda...


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/03/medical-bankrup.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
More minor fearmongering from the left to pass their agenda...


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/03/medical-bankrup.html

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
I saw this up on reddit. It's a PBS interview with a Harvard Law professor about credit and America. Interesting stuff.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/interviews/warren.html

Just saying is all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 06, 2009, 01:43:50 AM
jesus christ where do they get those commentators?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 01:48:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2009, 01:28:42 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
More minor fearmongering from the left to pass their agenda...


http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/03/medical-bankrup.html

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2009, 02:54:24 PM
I saw this up on reddit. It's a PBS interview with a Harvard Law professor about credit and America. Interesting stuff.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/interviews/warren.html

Just saying is all.

What are you saying?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 06, 2009, 01:53:41 AM
anyway I have to say that "the cost of health care now causes a bankruptcy in America every thirty seconds" is definitely a very inaccurate/exaggerated characterization of those 2005 research findings and ABC is right to call them on it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2009, 02:00:53 AM
TA: That you're whipsawing on Warren without acknowledging (realizing?) it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I mean, do you actually want to discuss the substance at that link?  I figured from your post you were in for some quick zingers.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 02:17:25 AM
I don't see how the two topics are related. The interview I linked was to illustrate how the changes in bankruptcy laws have exacerbated our problems (and eye-opening revelation to me ... which you snarked at me about) and also an interesting, simplified explanation on how credit works in our country. The second link was showing how Obama will use faulty data to push his agenda.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2009, 02:19:06 AM
The "faulty data" is from a study published by the Harvard prof you linked to, is the point.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 02:37:00 AM
So that invalidates any other opinions or ideas she may have for the rest of her life?
Title: Circle one
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2009, 03:06:37 AM
Like I asked before, you want zingers or Real Talk?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:32:53 AM
Jobs Report:

FEB -651K
JAN revised down to -655k from -577k
DEC revised down to -681k from -598k

Unemployment rate 8.1% from 7.6%...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2009, 08:50:32 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:32:53 AM
Jobs Report:

FEB -651K
JAN revised down to -655k from -577k
DEC revised down to -681k from -598k

Unemployment rate 8.1% from 7.6%...

Surely the solution to this is some tax cuts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:54:00 AM
Heh...the only job sector to grow was government +9k.

I don't know which is more laughable - the +9k or the fact that the Obama administration used a peak unemployment rate of 8.1% when projecting their 2009 budget deficit.

Mark Zandi is finally on the +10% train though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2009, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:54:00 AM
Heh...the only job sector to grow was government +9k.

OBAMA IS TRYING TO CREATE A LEGION OF PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON THE STATE WHO WILL CONTINUALLY VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT PARTY FOREVER!  ...am I doing it right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 09:23:52 AM
The media smells blood ...

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE52505K20090306
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 06, 2009, 09:27:17 AM
http://in.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idINTRE5251VN20090306 (http://in.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idINTRE5251VN20090306)


Never waste a good crisis, Clinton says on climate
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told an audience on Friday "never waste a good crisis," as she highlighted the opportunity of rebuilding economies in a greener, less energy intensive model.


Stay Classy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 09:33:29 AM
... or just create a crisis where one doesn't exist.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29469287/
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2009, 09:40:21 AM
From the same page:

Quote
Tillerson: Raising oil taxes will hurt Americans
March. 5: Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson discusses his views on proposed taxes and whether or not the company plans to invest in alternative energy in the future.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 06, 2009, 09:55:12 AM
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/03/letter-from-a-law-student.html (http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/03/letter-from-a-law-student.html)
LETTER FROM A LAW STUDENT


Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters,

We've stuck together since the late 1950s, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know that we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and just will not ever agree on what's right. So let's just end it right now while we can do it on friendly terms. We can smile, shake hands, chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and each go our own way.

So here's a model separation agreement.

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each taking a portion. That's going to be the difficult part, but I'm sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate taste. We don't like redistributive taxes so you can have those. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. And since you hate guns and you hate war, we'll take the firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. But you are going to be responsible for finding a biodiesel vehicle big enough to haul them around.  :lol

We'll keep the capitalism, the greedy corporations, the pharmaceutical companies; we will keep Wal-Mart and Wall Street. You can have the homeless, the homeboys, the hippies and illegal aliens. We will keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, the greedy CEOS and all of the rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and we'll let you have NBC and Hollywood.

You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us. You can have the peaceniks and the war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we will provide them with security. You won't have to worry about it. We will keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and Shirley Maclaine. You can also have the UN, but we will no longer pay the bill.

We will keep the SUVs, the pickup trucks and the oversize luxury cars. You can have the compacts, the subcompacts and every Subaru station wagon you can find. You can give everybody healthcare, if you can find any practicing doctors. We will continue to believe that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. We will keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and the national anthem, and I am sure you will be happy to substitute in their place "Imagine." I'd like to teach the world to sing "Kumbaya" or "We are the world." We will practice trickle-down economics and you can give trickle-up poverty your best shot. And since it so offends you, we will keep our history, our name and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots. And if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the friendly spirit of parting, I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will need whose help in about 15 years.

Sincerely,

John J Wall

Law student and an American

P.S. You can also have Barbara Streisand and Jane Fonda
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2009, 10:01:05 AM
tl;dr

I get the gist of it, tho, and would like to offer Libertarians a piece of land roughly approximate to the percentage of the populace they make up.  Will Rhode Island do?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
The White House is seeking economic advice from a Twitter co-founder. Twitter makes no money in the US even though they have a 700% growth rate. This makes about as much sense as putting the Michigan governor on your economic team.

We're so fucked...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 06, 2009, 10:01:05 AM
tl;dr

I get the gist of it, tho, and would like to offer Libertarians a piece of land roughly approximate to the percentage of the populace they make up.  Will Rhode Island do?
There are enough libs to fill up rhode island?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
This makes about as much sense as putting the Michigan governor on your economic team.


Granholm is one of his economic advisors.  :-[

PD & I voted for her. :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton raised eyebrows on her first visit to Europe as secretary of state when she mispronounced her EU counterparts' names and claimed U.S. democracy was older than Europe's.



Did she attend the Wellesley Agricultural School instead?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 06, 2009, 11:53:16 AM
thank god she wasn't president.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 06, 2009, 11:56:52 AM
It's amateur hour in the white house. lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 06, 2009, 11:57:49 AM
"I have never understood multiparty democracy.

Okay WTF.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 06, 2009, 12:22:13 PM
Last month!

Quote from: Conservatards
WHY ARE YOU FEAR-MONGERING OBAMA, WHERE'S THE "HOPE," JEEZ!?

This month!

Quote from: Repugs
WHY AREN'T YOU DOING ANYTHING OBAMA, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 12:30:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Hillary Clinton raised eyebrows on her first visit to Europe as secretary of state when she mispronounced her EU counterparts' names and claimed U.S. democracy was older than Europe's.



Did she attend the Wellesley Agricultural School instead?



Fuck em, I love me some Hillary. :heart
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 12:59:54 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 11:29:52 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 11:26:26 AM
This makes about as much sense as putting the Michigan governor on your economic team.


Granholm is one of his economic advisors.  :-[

PD & I voted for her. :bow

...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 06, 2009, 01:38:23 PM
Quote
You can be nice to Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer anybody that threatens us.

ah yes the right to invade, one of the fundamental human rights this country was founded upon
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
Oh for fuck's sake:

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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton opened her first extended talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov by giving him a present meant to symbolize the Obama administration’s vow to “press the reset button” on U.S.-Russia relations.

She handed a palm-sized box wrapped with a bow. Lavrov opened it and pulled out the gift: a red button on a black base with a Russian word peregruzka printed on top.

“We worked hard to get the right Russian word. Do you think we got it?” Clinton asked.

“You got it wrong,” Lavrov said.

Instead of "reset," Lavrov said the word on the box meant “overcharge.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19719.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/19719.html)

[youtube=560,345]9sudCmrAsF4[/youtube]

That's is on top of this crap:

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5253XS20090306?sp=true (http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5253XS20090306?sp=true)

Amateur hour continues for the new administration.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 06, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 08:32:53 AM
Jobs Report:

FEB -651K
JAN revised down to -655k from -577k
DEC revised down to -681k from -598k

Unemployment rate 8.1% from 7.6%...

If "discouraged" workers, workers who have stopped looking for work, are counted, the rate is above 14%.  :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 09:10:00 PM
Even higher when you count under-employed folks. It's a mess sheriff
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 06, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
Hillary is awesome

:piss Administrations to ignant to even try diplomacy :piss2

:bow Strong diplomacy with some lighthearted stumbles :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 06, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
I got to admit that I'm not digging the Obama administration so far.  Those diplomatic slip ups are minor but in general, they still seem all too willing to let banks cornhole the US.  You shouldn't be throwing around hundreds of billions of dollars unless it is going towards a significant cause or to turn things around.  Things like letting AIG hold government bailout cash hostage and get away with it is pretty disgraceful.  The administration lacks balls.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
I said two months ago all these fuckers get their pockets greased by the financial industry. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 06, 2009, 09:56:57 PM
I said two months ago all these fuckers get their pockets greased by the financial industry. They're not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

I think it wouldn't be so bad if it was just ONE of the Geithner/Summers pairing.  But having Geithner at Treasury and Summers in the WH probably just creates an echo chamber.  I'm honestly worried that they'll pull a Japan and keep these stupid institutions limping along in zombie mode for years and fuck up the administration as a whole in the process.  Paul Volcker should just beat one or both of them to death.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 06, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
I think Obama should just say fuckit and short of pulling out the guillotine do whatever their group thinks might actually fix shit. An approval rating short-term drop of 10pts oh no, much worse than being saddled with the long-term consequences of this.

Start swinging some elbows
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 06, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
yeah, geithner and summers need to go. i was never thrilled by the geithner appointment, but i had some hope for summers. now, they're both interchangable. kick 'em out and bring some real heavies in, and get that thin black bank blood runnin' in the streets.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2009, 10:34:42 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 06, 2009, 10:27:28 PM
I think Obama should just say fuckit and short of pulling out the guillotine do whatever their group thinks might actually fix shit. An approval rating short-term drop of 10pts oh no, much worse than being saddled with the long-term consequences of this.

Start swinging some elbows

The problem is that Obama's economic braintrust seems incapable of coming up with a plan that the underwear gnomes would find laughable.

Prole- I think that when the inevitable purge happens, Obama should just say fuck it and try to appoint James Kenneth Galbraith as Treas Sec.  It might outright kill some of the elderly GOP lawmakers just hearing it, to say nothing of the confirmation hearing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 06, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
yeah, geithner and summers need to go. i was never thrilled by the geithner appointment, but i had some hope for summers. now, they're both interchangable. kick 'em out and bring some real heavies in, and get that thin black bank blood runnin' in the streets.

No you're wrong, Summers went to college at 16. He's just the wizkid Obama needs!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2009, 11:13:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 06, 2009, 10:30:17 PM
yeah, geithner and summers need to go. i was never thrilled by the geithner appointment, but i had some hope for summers. now, they're both interchangable. kick 'em out and bring some real heavies in, and get that thin black bank blood runnin' in the streets.

No you're wrong, Summers went to college at 16. He's just the wizkid Obama needs!

Means nothing, plenty of Republicans and/or idiots went to college at 16.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 11:14:15 PM
*whoosh*

 :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 06, 2009, 11:17:53 PM
I'd like it to be Summers/Some outsider still. Echo chambers are never good, either side. Rather have Obama have a more pro-WS guy and a anti-one to hear from. And between Timmy and Summers I'd go with Summers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 06, 2009, 11:36:48 PM
Quote from: T EXP on March 06, 2009, 09:51:15 PM
Those diplomatic slip ups are minor but in general, they still seem all too willing to let banks cornhole the US. 

Honestly, I don't even think they're focusing on it. Its like there's a disconnect between the WH and reality. Yesterday one of his economic advisors (can't remember his name - would recognize the face) was giving an interview after the healthcare forum and he said something to the effect of "the way to solve all this is to fix healthcare". WTF? The banks are completely insolvent, pushing us into 1873 Redux and they're focused on healthcare reform?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
speaking of which

Quote
According to ABC News,  talk radio show host Rush Limbaugh said that President Obama has now pushed healthcare reform to center stage because it is "highly visible, news leading, gets a great focus, plus it has the great liberal lion Teddy Kennedy pushing it. Before it's all over, it will be called the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Care Bill."

He's probably right
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 07, 2009, 07:57:23 AM
Stiglitz didn't really think too highly of Summers' work.  That and his Harvard hijinx made me think that going to MIT at 16 doesn't really mean shit if you don't really know what you're doing.  The solutions seem almost obvious to everyone except the White House and the GOP minority in Congress, who are just throwing things out for the sake of throwing things out.  The White House solution is to keep throwing money down the black hole that is the failing banks, who just save the bailout cash anyway.

It isn't like busting out the guillotines would cause a drop in approval.  Hell, that might push the administrations ratings into the 80s and 90s.  I don't see the public accepting these half assed measures much longer.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 08:40:26 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
speaking of which

Quote
According to ABC News,  talk radio show host Rush Limbaugh said that President Obama has now pushed healthcare reform to center stage because it is "highly visible, news leading, gets a great focus, plus it has the great liberal lion Teddy Kennedy pushing it. Before it's all over, it will be called the Ted Kennedy Memorial Health Care Bill."

He's probably right
He is right, and Ted Kennedy's death will likely give a huge push to health care reform due to the fact it was his life's dream and make it far easier for Obama to get those 1-2 GOP senate votes he needs.

But it isn't something you go around saying out loud in the media. Especially when your someone the media is obsessed with right now and calling the GOP leader. All Rush is doing is playing into Democrats hands with stuff like this. They have a new excuse to mock him and Republicans according to Politico are refusing to comment on it showing them as scared of him still.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 07, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/weekend-opinionator-the-party-of-limbaugh-a-conservative-debate/

great breakdown of the current Limbaugh kerfuffle

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 07, 2009, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 07, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/weekend-opinionator-the-party-of-limbaugh-a-conservative-debate/

great breakdown of the current Limbaugh kerfuffle



It is a political tactic but Rush is too egotistical to know that he is setting his party up to fail.  This is the highlight of his career right here and his priorities is his influence and probably the possibility of more money rolling in.  The GOP is stupid enough to hitch their wagon to the shooting star that is Rush.  The Democrats were smart enough to keep a distance between themselves and Michael Moore for the reasons that the GOP & Rush will find out here soon enough.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 11:11:09 AM
My roommate has a high IQ, is a PHD student and he drinks algae.
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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 11:55:35 AM
Quote from: T EXP on March 07, 2009, 10:10:44 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 07, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/weekend-opinionator-the-party-of-limbaugh-a-conservative-debate/

great breakdown of the current Limbaugh kerfuffle



It is a political tactic but Rush is too egotistical to know that he is setting his party up to fail.  This is the highlight of his career right here and his priorities is his influence and probably the possibility of more money rolling in.  The GOP is stupid enough to hitch their wagon to the shooting star that is Rush.  The Democrats were smart enough to keep a distance between themselves and Michael Moore for the reasons that the GOP & Rush will find out here soon enough.

Nah's he's egotistical enough to know that he's setting the party up to fail, but just doesn't give a shit.

Quote
Byron York talks to Rush Limbaugh about his ratings:

"The latest numbers I have are for January, well before this kerfuffle began, and they are through the roof -- six shares in NY, for example. There are daily ratings taken now in about the top 15 markets but I have not seen them yet. All I can tell you is that as of January, we booked 80 percent of all our 2008 revenue and we'll be over 2008 by the end of this month," says Rush.

York's comment: "Given those numbers -- revenues for the first quarter of 2009 higher than all of 2008 -- it's clear that the most decisive economic stimulus produced by the Obama administration so far has been at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network."

This really is win-win, for everyone except the Republican Party.
http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Limbaugh-My-Ratings-are-Way-Way-Up-40846352.html

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 07, 2009, 12:03:06 PM
Rush:GOP :: Odoacer:Rome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 12:50:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 11:55:35 AM
Quote
Byron York talks to Rush Limbaugh about his ratings:

"The latest numbers I have are for January, well before this kerfuffle began, and they are through the roof -- six shares in NY, for example. There are daily ratings taken now in about the top 15 markets but I have not seen them yet. All I can tell you is that as of January, we booked 80 percent of all our 2008 revenue and we'll be over 2008 by the end of this month," says Rush.

York's comment: "Given those numbers -- revenues for the first quarter of 2009 higher than all of 2008 -- it's clear that the most decisive economic stimulus produced by the Obama administration so far has been at the Excellence in Broadcasting Network."

This really is win-win, for everyone except the Republican Party.
http://www.dcexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Limbaugh-My-Ratings-are-Way-Way-Up-40846352.html

Rush Limbaugh: single handily saving the U.S. economy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 01:24:15 PM
Obama administration successfully promotes Limbaugh to head entire GOP, his audience rises some.

Durr durr this is obviously a win for the conservative movement!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 07, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Rush isn't "setting the party up to fail". They were going to fail regardless.


Unless ... the MSM media starts to turn on Obama like this...


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzxMIm4EJQJddvV_ZHPkN1pw8nJwD96P7RC80

Although the administration likes to say it "inherited" the recession and trillion-dollar deficits, the economic wreckage has worsened on Obama's still-young watch.
Every day, the economy is becoming more and more an Obama economy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 07, 2009, 04:44:42 PM
People want answers and solutions.  Quite frankly, Obama and Co. has been doing little of either.  The only reason that he still has the support he has now is because the GOP has embraced insanity.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 07, 2009, 04:49:08 PM
Quote from: T EXP on March 07, 2009, 04:44:42 PM
The only reason that he still has the support he has now is because the GOP has embraced insanity.

this sounds a bit disingenuous.  People are supporting him because people are scared and want someone to believe in, and more importantly, because he hasn't really done anything to dissuade their trust.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2009, 06:51:07 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 07, 2009, 04:14:48 PM
Rush isn't "setting the party up to fail". They were going to fail regardless.


Unless ... the MSM media starts to turn on Obama like this...


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzxMIm4EJQJddvV_ZHPkN1pw8nJwD96P7RC80

Although the administration likes to say it "inherited" the recession and trillion-dollar deficits, the economic wreckage has worsened on Obama's still-young watch.
Every day, the economy is becoming more and more an Obama economy

DAMN THAT LIBRUL MEDIA!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 07, 2009, 07:03:20 PM
SMH Republicans

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama8-2009mar08,0,5323504.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama8-2009mar08,0,5323504.story)

Quote
Obama says he is not wedded to a plan on how to fix the problem. But one proposal he has endorsed, giving people the option of buying medical coverage through a government plan, is drawing opposition from Republicans.

Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., emphasized that point in the GOP's weekly radio address. "I'm concerned that if the government steps in it will eventually push out the private health care plans millions of Americans enjoy today," Blunt said.

Surely Blunt didn't mean to suggest that in a free market, consumers might choose a government health plan over private health care plans offered by companies with billions of dollars in profit margin. Surely the government could never offer a plan that's more affordable than what the private sector can offer. That can't be what he meant at all.

I guess "subsidies" doesn't mean anything to you does it.

Let's do a little roleplaying. I'll be the government and you be the average american.

I come to your house and force you to give me $100. We'll call this a "tax" I then turn around and use that money to offer you healthcare for the Cost of $50. You're options are a plan that costs $50 from me the governemnt and $75 a business. Of course you will go with the $50 option because on the surface the $50 looks like it costs less than $75, but in reality $150 (when you factor in taxes that subsidize the industry) is not less.
 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:37:35 PM
I'll give you another example. Let's talk about the United States Post Office. They have a legal monopoly on first class mail. They handle millions of letters a year. They are great if you want to send a letter to joe blow for his birthday, but as a business they are losing millions of dollars a year because they are not capable of actually operating without subsidies from the federal government. And not to mention that if you want to send an important package or an overnight document you will get laughed at if you use USPS.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 07, 2009, 07:41:22 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:27:07 PM

Let's do a little roleplaying. I'll be the government and you be the average american.

I come to your house and force you to give me $100. We'll call this a "tax" I then turn around and use that money to offer you healthcare for the Cost of $50. You're options are a plan that costs $50 from me the governemnt and $75 a business. Of course you will go with the $50 option because on the surface the $50 looks like it costs less than $75, but in reality $150 (when you factor in taxes that subsidize the industry) is not less.
 

The "let's make up figures" game?! This game is particularly hilarious because no other country spends as much on health care as America. Surely if $150 spent on government health care only nets you $50 in services, other countries, such as Canada, would be spending significantly more on health care per person than America.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
I'll ignore that fact that quality of healthcare is significantly better here than in countries with socialized medicine and just mention that only in liberal fantasy land does a business actually decrease its cost under a monopoly.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 07:45:45 PM
Except everyone* agrees that the government is able to provide health insurance cheaper than private competitors could, because its size would give it more leverage as a buyer to implement price controls.  The conservatarian argument is that this would eventually lead to rationing.  See Michael Gerson (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/07/AR2008100702437.html).




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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
I'll ignore that fact that quality of healthcare (available for sale to those who can afford it) is significantly better here than in countries with socialized medicine and just mention that only in liberal fantasy land does a business actually decrease its cost under a monopoly.

fixt lol

I'm sure the quality of American healthcare vis a vis Western Europe and Canada is very reassuring to the 50 million or so people who DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BANKRUPT.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 07:45:45 PM
Except everyone* agrees that the government is able to provide health insurance cheaper than private competitors could, because its size would give it more leverage as a buyer to implement price controls.


 It's size? You mean because there would no longer be a choice. Either you work with the governments health insurance or you dont work in the field at all. You cant set prices and not expect it to actually work. That's not how economics work. Not to mention the loss of freedom to actually choose what you want. We would live in a system where you are forced to pay for something whether you want it or not.

Gee that sounds a lot like the mafia.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 07, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
I'm sure the quality of American healthcare vis a vis Western Europe and Canada is very reassuring to the 50 million or so people who DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BANKRUPT.

Healthcare isnt a right.
Title: Also there are no engineering jobs in the public sector
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 07:53:07 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
That's not how economics work.

Oh do tell.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 07:53:53 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
I'll ignore that fact that quality of healthcare is significantly better here than in countries with socialized medicine and just mention that only in liberal fantasy land does a business actually decrease its cost under a monopoly.
Wow, ignoring non-existing facts so you can go easy on us? You saint.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 07, 2009, 07:54:02 PM
wait, how exactly do health insurance companies "compete"?  they don't provide the services directly.
Title: Re: Also there are no engineering jobs in the public sector
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 07:53:07 PM
Oh do tell.

When has price setting been a long term viable strategy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2009, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 07, 2009, 07:49:34 PM
I'm sure the quality of American healthcare vis a vis Western Europe and Canada is very reassuring to the 50 million or so people who DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BANKRUPT.

Healthcare isnt a right.

Sez you.  If a large enough group of people with guns say blowjobs are a right, then blowjobs will be a right. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 07, 2009, 07:57:04 PM
Sez you.  If a large enough group of people with guns say blowjobs are a right, then blowjobs will be a right. 

sigh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 07, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
America, where not everyone is covered, spends about twice as much per-capita on health care than Canada, where everyone receives coverage.* I don't think American health care is twice as good. There are no objective health figures that would suggest that.

*there are, obviously, many variables at play.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2009, 08:01:41 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 07, 2009, 07:57:04 PM
Sez you.  If a large enough group of people with guns say blowjobs are a right, then blowjobs will be a right. 

sigh

Ok, property isn't a right.  Cause supposedly pursuing happiness is a right, but I can't do that so well if I'm dying.
Title: Re: Also there are no engineering jobs in the public sector
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 08:01:53 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 07, 2009, 07:55:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 07:53:07 PM
Oh do tell.

When has price setting been a long term viable strategy.
Point 1 - You really are just throwing out catchphrases you've heard on FoxNews and sound dumb doing it.

Point 2 - As far as "long term viable strategy", other major industrialized countries with some form of national health care have an acceptable projection for healthcare costs going into the future, while the US is heading for a health-care meltdown. So how's that for "long term viable strategy"?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 08:03:18 PM
Quote from: Some dirty fucking socialist
Great speakers, panels, walks on the beach, etc. Anyway, we had some small discussion group about De Tocqueville, and someone (naturally) brought up France's high taxes and thick welfare state. "Well, the thing is," Emmanuelle said (quotes are inexact), "some of the things the French state provides are pretty good. For instance health care."

"Wait a minute wait a minute," one guy said. "If you were sick -- I mean, really sick -- where would you rather be? France or the U.S.?"

"Um, France," we both said.

Various sputtering ensued. What about the terrible waiting lists? (There really aren't any.) The shoddy quality? (It's actually quite good.) Finally, to deflect the conversation away, I said "Look, if we made twice as much money, we'd probably prefer American health care for a severe crisis. But we don't, so we don't."



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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 07, 2009, 08:30:07 PM
man, I can't wait to make a bizillion dollars so I can finally go back to college.  and get good health insurance.  and visit france.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 08:51:45 PM
Anyway, on the healthcare/bankruptcy thing.  I followed the academic spat a bit in real-time, and it wasn't the ZOMG PWNT debunking that it's presented as.

Basically the Harvard study produced a range (40-something to 50-something percent) of the bankruptcies for which health expenditures are a major factor.  Dranove looked at their data, came up with a different way to define the causation, and wound up with a lower number.

Thing is, Dranove's method was really, really narrow.  IIRC he only counted people who were hit by provider costs.  So he left out anyone who went bankrupt while paying tons for medication.  As well as more indirect causes, like losing income because of illness (or having to provide care for a sick loved one), or exorbitant credit card fees stacked on to the original medical costs.

Both sides seemed to have an ideological dog in the fight, but I don't think anyone was rabid enough to be immediately dismissed, fwiw.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:50:58 PM
Obama "overwhelmed".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html)

Its his first real job. Cut him some slack.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 09:53:24 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:50:58 PM
Obama "overwhelmed".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html)

Its his first real job. Cut him some slack.
You're such a silly bitch.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 09:54:01 PM
Telegraph lolz

[youtube=560,345]DGscoaUWW2M[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:54:46 PM
 :violin
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 09:56:31 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:54:46 PM
:violin
Is that a .gif of the fiddlin' you conservatwats did for 8 years while America burned? Could use more swarminess.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
You're so cute when you're angry.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 10:00:49 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
:smug You're so cute when you're angry. :smug

Actually I don't mind shitty comments like this, it allows me to file you under dumb troll turd instead of someone who has to be taken seriously.

Thanks for saving me the work!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
I wouldn't believe anything they say about US politics. I'm still baffled as to why they're obsessing over every perceived diss Obama aims their way.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
Obama most had more accomplishments in his 8 years state senator in Ill. than any of us ever did in a work enviroment so it was indeed a low blow ds.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 10:27:17 PM
er...most likely
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 10:56:46 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 07, 2009, 09:53:24 PM
You're such a silly bitch.

This guy needs to be taken seriously. Seriously...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 11:02:31 PM
sd, I'm sure you can find a more productive manner of posting than begging for abuse and whining when it comes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2009, 11:05:33 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 07, 2009, 10:56:46 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 07, 2009, 09:53:24 PM
You're such a silly bitch.

This guy needs to be taken seriously. Seriously...
You really are a silly bitch. :elephant
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 07, 2009, 11:06:30 PM
I remember when sd said he'd vote for obama over mccain cause he likes obama's health care plan.  :'(
Title: Slightly old
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2009, 11:53:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]aMOtNL8mie8[/youtube]

Back on topic, Krugman explains why the projected deficits aren't pushing interest rates up (http://finance.yahoo.com/bonds), and elaborates with charts and stuff (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/liquidity-preference-versus-loanable-funds-televised-wonkish-with-video/).  I kinda sorta made the same point in January (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=26303.msg755730#msg755730), so +10 self-congratulatory points to me.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2009, 03:38:33 AM
Every Krugman clip makes me want to make an O face.

Having him be the only correct one on every single discussion board always hurts. The other other fucks can be financial analysts that have sat through near financial Armageddon while not wishing to say boo only to have events outpace them but somehow have their opinions taken seriously.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 08, 2009, 11:32:20 AM
Damn...I thought you meant Krugs was on this week.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 01:22:56 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 08, 2009, 03:38:33 AM
Every Krugman clip makes me want to make an O face.

He makes you O-face because he's liberal and his economic policies support your ideology.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 08, 2009, 01:29:45 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 01:22:56 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 08, 2009, 03:38:33 AM
Every Krugman clip makes me want to make an O face.

He makes you O-face because he's liberal and his economic policies support your ideology.
How many nobel peace prizes have you or your fuckbuddy Doc Paul won?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 01:59:41 PM
A noble prize in economics is worthless. I forgot who said it but I remember hearing that economics is the only noble prize where two people with completly opposite theories can both win (in the same year?).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Quote
Krugman has written in opposition to increasing farm subsidies,[42] ethanol mandates and subsidies/tax breaks,[43] manned NASA space flights,[44] and has written against some aspects of European labor market regulation.


Whaaaa!?? That's just absurd. rabble rabble rabble.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 02:04:23 PM
Quote
Krugman was one of many economists to serve as a consultant for an advisory board for Enron; he did this in 1999

Choo Choo, all aboard the fail train.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 08, 2009, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 02:04:23 PM
Quote
Krugman was one of many economists to serve as a consultant for an advisory board for Enron; he did this in 1999

Choo Choo, all aboard the fail train.

all aboard! (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg797912#msg797912)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2009, 03:32:54 PM
FoC's brain exploded
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 08, 2009, 04:05:15 PM
They changed his post count to some dumb little saying to make fun of him about ron paul or whatever iirc and he complained constantly so they changed it back but gave him insanely high post count.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on March 08, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Possible saviors of the Republican party:

1. Former beauty queen
2. Unlicensed plumber
3. Obese, racist, and drug addicted talk radio host
4. A 14-year-old boy (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/fashion/08conserve.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp?no_interstitial)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 06:48:43 PM
None of those will save the republican party.

If Ron Paul was younger I think he would have a really good chance at the 2012 nomination.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 08, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: Crushed on March 08, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Possible saviors of the Republican party:

1. Former beauty queen
2. Unlicensed plumber
3. Obese, racist, and drug addicted talk radio host
4. A 14-year-old boy (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/fashion/08conserve.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp?no_interstitial)

That kid sounds awesome. lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2009, 08:54:34 PM
Quote from: T EXP on March 08, 2009, 06:51:13 PM
lol

I don't know, Paul's message resonates with a lot of people; a younger more charismatic Paul could be formidable. I still doubt the party itself would allow someone as extreme as Paul to win. Threatening to get rid of the Federal Reserve doesn't bode well for the health of presidents
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2009, 11:09:45 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 06:48:43 PM
None of those will save the republican party.

If Ron Paul was younger I think he would have a really good chance at the 2012 nomination.

wat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 09, 2009, 08:47:34 AM
Quote from: Spencer on March 08, 2009, 11:41:21 PM
Is this thread going to last 4 (or 8 ) years?

Requesting sticky?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on March 09, 2009, 09:18:27 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 08, 2009, 06:52:39 PM
Quote from: Crushed on March 08, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
Possible saviors of the Republican party:

1. Former beauty queen
2. Unlicensed plumber
3. Obese, racist, and drug addicted talk radio host
4. A 14-year-old boy (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/fashion/08conserve.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp?no_interstitial)

That kid sounds awesome. lol

Quote
Jonathan, a slight, home-schooled only child whose teeth are in braces, is so passionate about his beliefs that he spent his summer writing “Define Conservatism,” an 86-page book outlining what he says are its core values.

 :o PD???
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 09, 2009, 10:29:41 AM
If that kid went to a real school he wouldn't last a day without being beat up
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2009, 11:03:13 AM
SEND HIM TO HIS DEATH
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 09, 2009, 11:03:39 AM
He sounds like PD
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
I thought I read somewhere that he is just a child actor.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 09, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
I thought I read somewhere that he is just a child actor.
he is, which makes him doubly rare.  That's the real story, everybody else in showbiz is a pinko commie exceptin this kid.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on March 09, 2009, 03:31:25 PM
LOL @ this pic of the 14 year old wizard. 

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/08/fashion/08convservative_600.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on March 09, 2009, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: Rman on March 09, 2009, 03:31:25 PM
LOL @ this pic of the 14 year old wizard. 

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/08/fashion/08convservative_600.jpg)


Someone just needs to photochop him with the :smug smile
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb44/SufjanSays/smug.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 09, 2009, 04:46:45 PM
You're doing it wrong
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 09, 2009, 04:48:34 PM
of course I am
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 09, 2009, 05:14:05 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 09, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 09, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
I thought I read somewhere that he is just a child actor.
he is, which makes him doubly rare.  That's the real story, everybody else in showbiz is a pinko commie exceptin this kid.

There are some nut crazy conservatives in showbiz as well. It's a very polarized place, what there are very few of is politcally aware moderates.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 09, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
Howard Dean just joined "lobbying mega-firm McKenna Long & Aldridge".

Dean is now a lobbyist.  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2009, 07:45:28 PM
Obama has forced him into a life of money grubbing villainy. Sort of like that dude in the Incredibles
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 09, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
amity shlaes: destroyed. (http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=82c53220-7594-4ece-a136-a3b2f54243ec). foc and beardo found sobbing in a boxcar as welfare moms horde government gold and defecate on the constitution.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 09, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
amity shlaes: destroyed. (http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=82c53220-7594-4ece-a136-a3b2f54243ec). foc and beardo found sobbing in a boxcar as welfare moms horde government gold and defecate on the constitution.


Why did none of Bush's spending help us tide the economic crash? After all he spent more in his 8 terms than anyone before him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2009, 09:11:19 PM
seriously?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 09, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
because SPENDING unto itself isn't a solution; it's WHAT YOU SPEND IT ON. if your household is starving, buying a car won't feed the kids. when your country's economy is collapsing, throwing money into construction in another one won't give the locals jobs.


...


dipshit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:26:22 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 09, 2009, 09:24:31 PM
because SPENDING unto itself isn't a solution; it's WHAT YOU SPEND IT ON. if your household is starving, buying a car won't feed the kids. when your country's economy is collapsing, throwing money into construction in another one won't give the locals jobs.


...


dipshit.

I heard that the only thing bush spent money on was the war in Iraq. Im a liberal and distinguished mentally-challenged dur dur dur
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:28:06 PM
Also lets pretend he did spend all the money in Iraq lets see who is getting paid.

Soldiers and Contract Companies who for the majority are american companies.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
Im a liberal and I want to lose weight, Im gonna go gorge on twinkies cause its clearly a better solution than not eating.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 09, 2009, 09:30:28 PM
who buy materials in iraq and employ iraqi workers and build iraqi schools and bridges and power plants and infrastructure and create jobs to hand over to the iraqi people when they aren't blowing them up

and yes, bush did run up 2 trillion in iraq alone\

...

dipshit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 09, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
Im a liberal and I want to lose weight, Im gonna go gorge on twinkies cause its clearly a better solution than not eating.

i'm a conservative and i'm starving to death, i'd like some of that government cheese but dying seems like a better solution
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 09, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
Im a liberal and I want to lose weight, Im gonna go gorge on twinkies cause its clearly a better solution than not eating.

i'm a conservative and i'm starving to death, i'd like some of that government cheese but dying seems like a better solution

If government were the only place to get cheese that I might agree with you.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:36:39 PM
I want to hear you say that Bush saved american jobs (however small you think that may be) by invading Iraq. I bet haliburten was stimulated.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 09, 2009, 09:37:23 PM
Actually I'm pretty sure most of the workers are either local or shipped in from third world countries who will probably work for really cheap from some story or documentary I saw a couple years ago.  The materials definitely come from the surrounding region though.  Apparently a good deal from Iran so woo.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 09, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
thanks for the link Drinky, this article is really informative for someone not well versed in economic theory.

Quote
Moreover, the classic right-wing critique fails to explain how the economy recovered at all. In one of his columns touting Shlaes, George Will observed that "the war, not the New Deal, defeated the Depression." Why, though, did the war defeat the Depression? Because it entailed a massive expansion of government spending. The Republicans who have been endlessly making the anti-stimulus case seem not to realize that, if you believe that the war ended the Depression, then you are a Keynesian.

wow. Jaydubya am cry  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2009, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 09, 2009, 10:27:07 PM
thanks for the link Drinky, this article is really informative for someone not well versed in economic theory.

Quote
Moreover, the classic right-wing critique fails to explain how the economy recovered at all. In one of his columns touting Shlaes, George Will observed that "the war, not the New Deal, defeated the Depression." Why, though, did the war defeat the Depression? Because it entailed a massive expansion of government spending. The Republicans who have been endlessly making the anti-stimulus case seem not to realize that, if you believe that the war ended the Depression, then you are a Keynesian.

wow. Jaydubya am cry  :'(

I never thought of it that way lol. Mind fuck total
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 09, 2009, 10:45:03 PM
They'll never admit their wrong though, I mean they still don't admit FDR helped save the economy in the 30's. If in 4 years the economy is showing signs of getting better, Obama re-elected...etc they'll find some new excuse to explain it away that doesn't include Obama's massive changes and expansion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 09, 2009, 10:45:19 PM
they're  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2009, 10:52:38 PM
I propose a $69 Michigan teenagers million grammar stimulus  :tophat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 09, 2009, 11:30:39 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 09, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
Im a liberal and I want to lose weight, Im gonna go gorge on twinkies cause its clearly a better solution than not eating.

i'm a conservative and i'm starving to death, i'd like some of that government cheese but dying seems like a better solution

If government were the only place to get cheese that I might agree with you.

so your claim is that non-government entities are in the mood for laying down big new investments on american soil right now?
Title: Counter. Cyclical. Countercyclical.
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 01:59:17 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 09, 2009, 09:36:39 PM
I want to hear you say that Bush saved american jobs (however small you think that may be) by invading Iraq. I bet haliburten was stimulated.

The Iraq war wasn't fought during a recession.  Doof doof.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 10, 2009, 02:02:44 AM
keynesianism suggests that the government CUT spending and build a surplus during boom, anyhow!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2009, 02:10:32 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 10, 2009, 02:02:44 AM
keynesianism suggests that the government CUT spending and build a surplus during boom, anyhow!

A spending freeze, you say?  Truly we're all Keynesians now.  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 02:13:15 AM
Yep.  The big liberal Keynesian criticisms of Bush's fiscal policy the first term were 1) aiming the tax cuts at the higher brackets during the recession (giving less bang for the buck cause rich people tend to save) and 2) creating a structural deficit with the tax cuts and the Iraq war that shouldn't exist during an expansion.

Which reminds me, how did the entire Republican party go from supporting fiscal stimulus in 2001 to pretending it has no effect on the economy in 2009?  It's not even "we'd really prefer this in the form of tax cuts" or "the long-term costs will outweigh the benefits", it's "government has never created a single job!!!~!"

 :piss Political movements where Newt Gingrich is considered a genius :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 03:29:42 AM
I dunno, I remember most people scoffing at Bush's measley 300 dollar infusions. He just had the polticial capital (post-9/11) to get it done.

---

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hoped to win enough GOP votes for the spending bill to offset Democratic nays

Republicans are holding back the country again!!

Quote
Several Republicans whose support Reid had anticipated did not deliver, but the most costly defection was that of  Sen. Robert Menendez (N.J.), a member of the Democratic leadership, in protest of a little-noticed Cuba provision that would ease U.S. rules on travel and imports to the communist-led island.

The Menendez rebellion was a jolt of political reality for Reid,  House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Obama, signaling that the solidarity of the stimulus debate is fading as Democratic lawmakers are starting to read the fine print of the bills they will wrestle with in the coming weeks and months, and not always liking what they see.

Stuff it with earmarks! You know what to do.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 03:39:36 AM
$300 lump sum stimulus checks were in Bush's second term.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 03:52:55 AM
http://www.nber.org/digest/apr05/w10784.html

Is it just semantics you're debating here? They were tax rebates, but still cash-in-hand ala the stimulus checks.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 03:55:23 AM
Oh, I thought you were talking about the later ones.

What I mean is that my post was referring to the semi-permanent marginal rate cuts, which were pushed as a way to boost the economy, and which were criticized by Brad DeLong etc. for being poorly targeted and inefficient.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 03:58:40 AM
Cap n trade, the final dagger in the midwestern manufacturing base.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123655590609066021.html#printMode

Quote
The Congressional Budget Office -- Mr. Orszag's former roost -- estimates that the price hikes from a 15% cut in emissions would cost the average household in the bottom-income quintile about 3.3% of its after-tax income every year. That's about $680, not including the costs of reduced employment and output. The three middle quintiles would see their paychecks cut between $880 and $1,500, or 2.9% to 2.7% of income. The rich would pay 1.7%. Cap and trade is the ideal policy for every Beltway analyst who thinks the tax code is too progressive (all five of them).

But the greatest inequities are geographic and would be imposed on the parts of the U.S. that rely most on manufacturing or fossil fuels -- particularly coal, which generates most power in the Midwest, Southern and Plains states. It's no coincidence that the liberals most invested in cap and trade -- Barbara Boxer, Henry Waxman, Ed Markey -- come from California or the Northeast.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 04:06:22 AM
Looks like the costs to the bottom quintile are offset by the refundable credit, so yay.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 04:15:07 AM
except for the whole "reduced(loss of) employment or output" thingy. Yay.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 04:48:32 AM
The lost output and jobs are assumptions of the nameless WSJ editor.  If the money's recycled back into the economy via tax cuts, I don't see where a big net negative would come from.

Like with trade, the real problems (which will be pretty frightening to coal mining towns) are distributional.

Actual clean coal would smooth over a ton of this, but that's assuming a can opener (http://www.workjoke.com/economists-jokes.html) at this point.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 05:18:12 AM
A get worried about a cap and trade system has been on the table for over 6 years now and no one has done a proper study into how many job losses this could/would incur. The CBO gently says that 80,000 coal workers would be effected, but then doesn't measure the  collateral job losses of the communities that rely on that industry (significant). Nor does it estimate how many manufacturing companies could move/relocate because of these higher costs.

The same kind of information that was missing from the lips of politicians before NAFTA was passed.

The only estimates I could find is from a right-wing think tank study that pegs it to about 600-700k by 2015. But that seems inflated.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 10:22:13 AM
Dr. Doom strikes again:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29598949 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/29598949)

He appears to be getting more and more pessemistic. Unemployent well above 10%? What does that mean? 12-13%? In his latest RGE post he says the equities markets could go to 5000/500.

Anyone have a good argument for the SEC suspending the uptick rule? Seems like reinstating it could mitigate some of the losses. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2009, 10:37:01 AM
Yeah, imo keeping unemployment below 10% has always been a pipe dream.  To be honest, though, a 36 month recession would be a pretty good end result of all the stupid, stupid decisions that have been made.  I want to see what they're going to do with financial regulation- if Gramm-Leach-Bliley doesn't go away then it's a real failure.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 10, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
What is this?
[youtube=560,345]FoCsFsU_irY[/youtube]

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on March 10, 2009, 10:56:16 AM
What is this?

Buyer's Remorse
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 10, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
how does that count as a "slam"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on March 10, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
Eh, figured I'd post it here. Heard it on the radio this morning.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09478499.htm

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 10, 2009, 04:39:50 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on March 10, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
Eh, figured I'd post it here. Heard it on the radio this morning.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N09478499.htm



Quote
Klaus, whose position is largely ceremonial in the Czech political system
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
i don't think that detracts from what he's saying.  I know a few post-communist immigrants  and they're really anti-government intervention because of how the 20th century political process operated in those parts of the world.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 10, 2009, 04:32:07 PM


I thought that occurred pre 9-11. 

Hey, I think you are right.


-- --

Has our transition into socialism occurred yet? I'm getting tired of waiting.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 04:44:35 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 10, 2009, 04:32:07 PM


I thought that occurred pre 9-11. 

Hey, I think you are right.


-- --

Has our transition into socialism occurred yet? I'm getting tired of waiting.

are your boots leather and shiny or is all of your outfit grey and sooty?

those are the first two indicators, i think
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2009, 04:49:35 PM
Also, are you currently posting this from a bread line?  If so, does your neighborhood soup kitchen have wireless?  If it does, we're still not in a depression yet and you're not a socialist.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 04:51:24 PM
Nope.

Speaking of cliche's, this new depression has been a bust so far. No cardboard in my shoes, no soup lines, no milling about street corners looking for daily labor jobs.


I'm starting to think our great grandparents exagerrated the whole era so we would feel guilty for wanting new shit all the time as kids. A bogeyman to keep us in line.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 10, 2009, 05:01:10 PM
on the plus side, we can exaggerate it for our own grandkids' discomfort and shame. if we aren't all dead from aids and/or global warming, of course.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 10, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
i don't think that detracts from what he's saying.  I know a few post-communist immigrants  and they're really anti-government intervention because of how the 20th century political process operated in those parts of the world.

oddly, i know a fair few who really despise capitalism on account of how badly they botched the transition in the post-gorbachev years. capitalism has NOT been kind to russia and its former affiliated states.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 05:11:29 PM
i know only one of those.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2009, 05:22:03 PM
Capitalism in new areas of the world works pretty good if you can ignore brief transition time where mean people with guns terrorize locals and shake down and drive out competition and eventually become respectable businesspeople.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
ah yes, the temporary Mafiacracy

russia's going to escape that any minute now
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2009, 05:56:08 PM
In Soviet Russia, state kills journalist!  No joke, we just do.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 10, 2009, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 10, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
oddly, i know a fair few who really despise capitalism on account of how badly they botched the transition in the post-gorbachev years. capitalism has NOT been kind to russia and its former affiliated states.
yeah, the free market comes way before the free press.

I think Chinese and Singaporeans feel the opposite way though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2009, 06:49:58 PM
Quote
Sam Stein obtained an email from Sen. John McCain's chief of staff that suggested the Arizona senator was putting together a major economic plan structured, in some ways, off of Newt Gingrich's famous "Contract With America."

The email asked an outside adviser for help with a "ten principles" program that the senator could use as a "definitive" platform to rescue America's economy. However, the only policy guidance given was "No Tax Increases."

The fact that McCain is going to outside consultants suggests he "is laying the groundwork for more comprehensive opposition."
http://politicalwire.com/

no words
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 06:59:50 PM
Because it was only a matter of time:

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House Democrats are looking at yet another economic stimulus bill beyond the $787 billion one just enacted as investors and consumers continue to show little faith in the economy.

At a special meeting of the Democratic Steering and Policy Committee on Tuesday morning, Democrats heard again from their trusted band of economists and came away reinforced that Congress would need to spend billions of additional taxpayer dollars in the coming months to help pull the economy out its severe recession.

One proposal being considered is an additional economic stimulus bill. Just last month, President Obama signed a $787 billion stimulus measure that Democrats contended was needed to save or create 3.5 million jobs and that Republicans derided as nothing more than debt-spending on wasteful federal projects.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-dems-eyeing-another-stimulus-bill-2009-03-10.html (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-dems-eyeing-another-stimulus-bill-2009-03-10.html)

This was a forgone conclusion the day Obama signed Stimulus I. Krugs, Roubs, et al were all calling for more. Now, obviously, getting a second stimulus would be much more difficult as the odds of siphoning off 3 more REPs in the Senate would be next to impossible. But, if they waited until Franken was seated they would only need two. Throw in a special Kennedy vote and they only need one. So, I suppose it would depend on the situation at the time its introduced.

It brings up an interesting dilemna for the White House though. Obama used a lot of well earned political capital getting Stimulus I implemented. We've seen him touting its supposed benefits at construction sites, at factories, and other various places. Friday he even attended the graduation of 25 new police officers who's jobs were saved because of the plan. He has promised it will create or save 3.5 million jobs...90% of which will be in the private sector (which makes his chest thumping at the police graduation all the more interesting - but that's a different argument).

So, what happens when the Democrats introduce Stimulus II? Doing so basically admits Stimulus I was not enough. That all the supposed benefits were trumped up. That it failed to do what we were all promised it would do. It would leave Obama in a very difficult place and significantly weaken his credibility.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 07:08:54 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 10, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
i don't think that detracts from what he's saying.  I know a few post-communist immigrants  and they're really anti-government intervention because of how the 20th century political process operated in those parts of the world.

oddly, i know a fair few who really despise capitalism on account of how badly they botched the transition in the post-gorbachev years. capitalism has NOT been kind to russia and its former affiliated states.

"Everything they taught us about socialism was a lie.  Everything they taught us about capitalism was true."

I get the sense that most Russians soured on IMF-style shock treatment capitalism (not that they're Marxists; they seem to dig national greatness authoritarianism), but a lot of older Iron Curtain emigrants love them some free market.  Ahnuld, for example.

I think it's cause American immigrants are a self-selected bunch.  Cuban Americans want to restore Batista-era property claims, Iranian Americans tend to be Christian and very anti-Ayatollah, etc.  I had poli sci professors who were Persian and Egyptian and both of them supported the war.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
And another Obama pick bites the dust...  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2009, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 07:14:35 PM
And another Obama pick bites the dust...  :lol

Yeah, that's because the only debate you're allowed to have on the Israel-Palestine boondoggle is if Israel is awesome or SO awesome, tho. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on March 10, 2009, 07:27:24 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 06:59:50 PM
So, what happens when the Democrats introduce Stimulus II? Doing so basically admits Stimulus I was not enough. That all the supposed benefits were trumped up. That it failed to do what we were all promised it would do. It would leave Obama in a very difficult place and significantly weaken his credibility.

It was a foregone conclusion that there would be a further stimulus bill, even before the first one passed.  This is why I was bitching about the first stimulus bill being labeled THE stimulus bill.  Not being clear back then means their opponents will get to score some easy points on Team Obama.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 10, 2009, 07:28:16 PM
At least he appears to have paid his taxes though. So, from that standpoint, the pick was an improvement.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 10, 2009, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 07:08:54 PM
Iranian Americans tend to be Christian and very anti-Ayatollah, etc.  I had poli sci professors who were Persian and Egyptian and both of them supported the war.
Most muslims dislike the clergies power.  Any middle-easterner who supported the war in that political climate is most likely unbalanced though.

WRT capitalism, I think I read it was because of eastern Germans disgust with it that the socialist party gained so many supporters in Germany.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
Two of my favorite things are colliding tonight:  2G2D and public tv!  SecTreas Timid Timmy Geithner will be on Charlie Rose.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on March 10, 2009, 09:58:13 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
ah yes, the temporary Mafiacracy

russia's going to escape that any minute now

yeahhhh, I'm betting not....
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 10, 2009, 10:00:27 PM
well, that's just the price they should pay for dabbling in socialism!

besides, you can't teach an old apparatchik new tricks, am i rite :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 10, 2009, 11:53:12 PM
Didn't most of the former Eastern Bloc vote the communists back in 4-5 years after the curtain fell?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 10, 2009, 11:55:45 PM
iirc they are mostly "former communists"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 11, 2009, 02:36:17 AM
yeah, they're the socialist parties right now I believe.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 11, 2009, 02:45:59 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 10, 2009, 05:56:08 PM
In Soviet Russia, state kills journalist!  No joke, we just do.

Russia did sort of kill it, though it took Tsar Putin I to do so.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 11, 2009, 03:04:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 10, 2009, 07:08:54 PM
I get the sense that most Russians soured on IMF-style shock treatment capitalism (not that they're Marxists; they seem to dig national greatness authoritarianism), but a lot of older Iron Curtain emigrants love them some free market.  Ahnuld, for example.

At least from where I saw it, one of the problems of the transition was that the whole thing was basically a large-scale neoliberal experiment where they took all of these great ideas that didn't even work that well in practice in long-time capitalist economies and shocked it into Russia's planned economy infrastructure. It was the free market fundie's first great experiment-the second later came with monumental fuckup that was Iraq's first year-and god it was a nightmare for the country, their GDP was like halved I think in the span of just a few years.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: Harkin
Just as the National Labor Relations Act, the 40 hour week and the minimum wage helped to pull us out of the Great Depression and into a period of unprecedented prosperity, so too will the Employee Free Choice Act help reinvigorate our economy," the senator said in a statement.

 :lol

Talk about a stretch.



Check out this letter sent to the Mexican government from concerned Democrats in 2001.

Quote
We understand the secret ballot is allowed for, but not required by Mexican labor law. However, we feel that the secret ballot is absolutely necessary in order to ensure that workers are not intimidated into voting for a union they might not otherwise choose.

We respect Mexico as an important neighbor and a trading partner, and we feel that the increased use of the secret ballot in union recognition elections will help bring real democracy to the Mexican workplace.

The same people who signed this letter also co-sponsor the Employee Free Choice Act here in the US, better known as Card Check. Kevin Mooney exposes the hypocrisy for The Examiner:

Democrats leading the charge in 2009 for legislation that critics say will abolish secret ballots for employees voting in U.S. Workplace unionization contests signed a 2001 letter urging Mexican officials to protect their workers’ electoral privacy as a defense against union thugs. …

Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.), the main “card check bill” sponsor on the House side, and nine other Democratic co-sponsors,” all signed the letter to Mexico demanding that the secret ballot be maintained. Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.), Rep. Bob Filner (D-Calif.), Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.), Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.). All joined Miller in both co-sponsoring EFCA and signing the 2001 letter.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2009, 11:03:54 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: Harkin
Just as the National Labor Relations Act, the 40 hour week and the minimum wage helped to pull us out of the Great Depression and into a period of unprecedented prosperity, so too will the Employee Free Choice Act help reinvigorate our economy," the senator said in a statement.

 :lol

Talk about a stretch.


as a dirty pro-labor guy myself, i view that as a bit of a stretch as well.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
Did they introduce it yesterday?

I think I will hire a hitman for any Republican that votes for it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
Did they introduce it yesterday?

I think I will hire a hitman for any Republican that votes for it.

That's ok, scuttlebutt is that Specter might cross the aisle on a permanent basis since he's more likely to win in the Dem primary than in the GOP primary against Club for Growth goon Pat Toomey.  Either way, expect PA to have two democratic Senators for the next Congress, if not sooner.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2009, 02:27:53 PM
I'm perpetually surprised by conservatives' visceral reactions to unions.

I get why the EFCA would be a red line for business interests, but for the rank and file?  Really?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 11, 2009, 02:32:41 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 11, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
Did they introduce it yesterday?

I think I will hire a hitman for any Republican that votes for it.

That's ok, scuttlebutt is that Specter might cross the aisle on a permanent basis since he's more likely to win in the Dem primary than in the GOP primary against Club for Growth goon Pat Toomey.  Either way, expect PA to have two democratic Senators for the next Congress, if not sooner.
He could skip the primary, run as a independent but still caucus with republicans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2009, 02:39:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2009, 02:27:53 PM
I'm perpetually surprised by conservatives' visceral reactions to unions.

I get why the EFCA would be a red line for business interests, but for the rank and file?  Really?
Unions speed up the trickle down.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2009, 03:19:43 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 11, 2009, 03:16:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2009, 02:27:53 PM
I'm perpetually surprised by conservatives' visceral reactions to unions.

I get why the EFCA would be a red line for business interests, but for the rank and file?  Really?
I'm even more surprised by poor conservatives visceral reactions to unions.

$80/hr wages for under educated cretins, and then WE have to bailout the company :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
Has anyone actually drawn a union paycheck? Or is it just a chapter you read in business class?

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 11, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
Has anyone actually drawn a union paycheck? Or is it just a chapter you read in business class?


:bow text book learnin' :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
Has anyone actually drawn a union paycheck? Or is it just a chapter you read in business class?



drawn a union paycheck?

like has anyone here been paid for working at a job while being in a union?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 11, 2009, 03:57:53 PM
Anyone that needs to think about unions only needs to look at the shithole that is detroit to see the kind of damage they do.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2009, 03:59:20 PM
i helped keep a union out of a telecom business i was employed at exposing the disingenuous nature of their propaganda to my fellow employees.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 11, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Anyone listen to Neil Boortz? Yesterday he talked about when he worked for the USPS. At his first week on the job, the union boss told him to work slower or else they wouldn't get bonuses at christmas time.
 


Unions lol
Title: Maybe he means labor lawyers who work directly for them?
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2009, 04:03:52 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 11, 2009, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
Has anyone actually drawn a union paycheck? Or is it just a chapter you read in business class?



drawn a union paycheck?

like has anyone here been paid for working at a job while being in a union?

Once you get some life experiences you won't be so quick to sass your elders, ya callow whippersnapper.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2009, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 11, 2009, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 03:43:14 PM
Has anyone actually drawn a union paycheck? Or is it just a chapter you read in business class?


I grew up on a union paycheck, and a union helped me get through school.

yes, but it's only through your own self-reliance did you grow that mustache!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 11, 2009, 04:11:44 PM
Tommy used to work on the docks union's been on strike

He's down on his luck - It's tough so tough.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 11, 2009, 04:14:55 PM
my mom is in a teachers union and my grandpa was in a union for ford, and my other grandpa was in a union for firefighters

UNIONS! :bow
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
I find the conservative frenzy over unions pretty funny.  Most Americans are too lazy to bother even thinking about unionizing, much less going to meetings, walking picket lines and all the other shit that would be necessary to really effectively redress the labor/management power shift that has taken place over the last 30 years.  But nothing will make a Republican go more rabid than suggesting that maybe it would be a good idea to toss a bone to organized labor.

What will probably come out of this whole mess is that the unions will give up on card check but get some of the other concessions in the bill.  It's also worth noting that EFCA wouldn't "eliminate the secret ballot" as the management side wants everyone to believe- it just gives them the option of starting a union by signing off on a card OR doing a secret ballot.  And since we KNOW that management employs union busters to smother unionization attempts in the cradle, I'm all for anything that might strengthen the side of labor in this dispute.  And again, it has the added benefit of making conservatives apoplectic.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 04:32:25 PM
Union workers bargained away the future wages of workers, so they could improve their (already) inflated pay and benefits for their lifetimes.

Goto any UAW shop, any UFCW place (grocery stores), Teamsters workplace (shipping) or USWA (steel). Any entry level worker will never make what the  current 20-30 year employee has made in his lifetime. Not even close.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 11, 2009, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 04:32:25 PM
Union workers bargained away the future wages of workers, so they could improve their (already) inflated pay and benefits for their lifetimes.

Sounds like social security.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2009, 04:41:55 PM
Wow, TA, you worked in all those industries?  Such stories you must have!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
How anyone can be against people's right to a private vote is beyond me. The "card check" effectively is an end around to these private votes. I don't have a problem with the other reforms that they want to pass ... but the card check law is wrong.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
How anyone can be against people's right to a private vote is beyond me. The "card check" effectively is an end around to these private votes. I don't have a problem with the other reforms that they want to pass ... but the card check law is wrong.

Like I said.  EFCA doesn't eliminate secret ballots, it just gives the option to use card check.  And if management would quit throwing up roadblocks to unionization, maybe this wouldn't even be getting discussed.  But I guess the CEO needs that salary that's 500 times that of the average employee.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 11, 2009, 04:55:17 PM
Briefly with the United Food and Commercial Workers Canada and with the Teamsters.

edit: both jobs paid substantially more that the non-unionized equivalents and with good benefits.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2009, 04:57:09 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 11, 2009, 04:49:55 PM
.  But I guess the CEO needs that salary that's 500 times that of the average employee.

I know this is the easy justification for you. Strike a blow against the evil monolithic corporate giants, but it's not the reality.

Most of the places they attempt to unionize are the family-owned, medium-sized businesses and small businesses.

Read this: http://www.acca.org/article.php?id=68

I worked in such a place right out of high school. The UAW was constantly trying to get a foot into this small, family-run business.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 11, 2009, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 11, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
And look where that has gotten you, crippled with fear, unable to leave your house, sexless, bearded crippled with fear, unable to leave your house, sexless, bearded
I was pretty much like that before the jobs.


You haven't been reading my threads; I left the house four days in a row. :rock

edit: and I know you're jealous of the facial hair, Adam Morrison.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2009, 05:35:10 PM
I worked for a union at a Toshiba TV tube plant for almost 3 years in the mid 90's. Top out pay at my position was $9.83. Only position after that was management.
That plant closed down a few years after I left for school.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 11, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 11, 2009, 05:35:10 PM
I worked for a union at a Toshiba TV tube plant for almost 3 years in the mid 90's. Top out pay at my position was $9.83. Only position after that was management.
That plant closed down a few years after I left for school.

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j163/dj_xtort/Borat_Great_Success.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 06:24:39 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 11, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
All of the people working under me are union.

They want work and tend to get it done fast.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 11:01:15 PM
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/politicalblog/?p=3043 (http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/politicalblog/?p=3043)

That about wraps it up?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2009, 01:02:56 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 11:01:15 PM
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/politicalblog/?p=3043 (http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/politicalblog/?p=3043)

That about wraps it up?

Haha, figures.  Typical democrats- make big noises about supporting labor when you know the bill has no chance of getting signed in to law, but then when it has a chance everyone is conspicuous by their absence in support of it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 12, 2009, 01:08:47 AM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/2dayc6g.jpg)

rofl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 12, 2009, 01:22:07 AM
EFCA is the left's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge drilling, I think. Close but no cigar.

I'd honestly be just as happy with reform of existing rules to keep unionbusting law firms and consultancy shops out of the process, swift  forcing of recognition of a successful ballot by the NRLB to employers, and massive fines and penalties for intimidation on both sides.

I'm also not against card check, but I think it should require a larger share of the employees to sign on than a secret ballot does. If there are signs of fraud in the process the current way the law is proposed should stand (the card check is invalidated and the decision goes to secret ballot).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Except ANWR would actually create jobs ... EFCA would do nothing.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2009, 01:29:37 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Except ANWR would actually create jobs ... EFCA would do nothing.

Not true!  It would make Republicans insane, increasing sales of antacids, alcohol, doctor's visits for the affected and their beaten spouses, and trips to the shrink.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on March 12, 2009, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 12, 2009, 01:02:56 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 11:01:15 PM
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/politicalblog/?p=3043 (http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/politicalblog/?p=3043)

That about wraps it up?

Haha, figures.  Typical democrats- make big noises about supporting labor when you know the bill has no chance of getting signed in to law, but then when it has a chance everyone is conspicuous by their absence in support of it.


Democrats have been doing this since the early days of the 20th century when they effectively destroyed the Socialist party and workers movement by promising the world and then turning their backs on them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 12, 2009, 02:10:17 AM
Wasn't that before the big political switch between the blues and reds?  iirc, the same thing happened immediately after the civil war with democratic politicians in the south promising everything to the black people they used to own.  And then the black people voted for them.

Every new social movements gets baseless pandering (see Ron Paul).  Actually, I just saw a guy give a eulogy for capitalism in my speech class today.  It was the most sad thing I've ever seen and really shows that most people do not have the ability to think rationally.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 12, 2009, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Except ANWR would actually create jobs ... EFCA would do nothing.

Wouldn't have created shit except the ability for petrol megacorps to have more listed reserves on their book so they'd look better to shareholders. Don't kid youself.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 12, 2009, 02:34:25 AM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 12, 2009, 02:31:25 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
Except ANWR would actually create jobs ... EFCA would do nothing.

Wouldn't have created shit except the ability for petrol megacorps to have more listed reserves on their book so they'd look better to shareholders. Don't kid youself.

Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance ANWR... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 12, 2009, 02:35:15 AM
wat
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 12, 2009, 02:37:51 AM
yeah, because it's not like they haven't been sitting on huge amounts of  unexploited leases on BLM land for years specifically for that reason.

I wish we could auction off the libertarians to slavery. GOING, GOING, GALT!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 04:55:36 AM
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/bpg-iae_6umqs7-fda8tjq.gif)


My one-man disinformation campaign is finally paying off. My big oil, profit-sharing check is going to be HUGE.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 12, 2009, 08:07:02 AM
opening ANWR wouldn't create that many jobs.  Oh sure, it might top out at 10-20K workers to build and maintain whatever sucks the land dry(and that's being grossly optimistic).  But that's a drop in the bucket.  It would be a humongous boon to the state of Alaska (yea, mo taxes) and to whichever oil interest got the lease.  But it wouldn't create that many more jobs and it wouldn't actually increase the current oil supply all that much.

There's already boatloads of oil being sucked out of Alaska.  There's by all accounts, a very rich, untapped deposit of it in ANWR, but even if it were opened today it would only go alongside the oil that's being processed from the existing oil fields in Northern Alaska, oil fields that are already delivering healthy amounts of oil as is.

Unless there's an increased capacity to deliver and process it, the oil in ANWR won't make a whit's difference to the nation's energy crisis.  Lets say the moon was made of oil, nothing but oil, tons and tons of it, it won't do the world any good if it can't be retrieved effieceintly.  That's kind of the problem with ANWR, and even in the best case scenario that ANWR turns out to be some kind of frozen middle east, the existing processing capabilities would insure a regular but unspectacular faucet of oil, not the waterfall of it some might want it to be.

so why not just build more refineries, more pipelines?  Well, that's not always just so easy to do. (http://www.adn.com/front/story/718214.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 12, 2009, 09:34:12 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 04:55:36 AM
(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/bpg-iae_6umqs7-fda8tjq.gif)


My one-man disinformation campaign is finally paying off. My big oil, profit-sharing check is going to be HUGE.



My prediction? The fact it's been a pretty fucking cold, long winter has done more damage to the cause. I bet it goes right back up in the summer.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 12, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
it's probably because the public is only in the market for one potentially apocalyptic catastrophe at a time.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 12, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html)

WOW
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 12, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
that won't pass, but it's incredibly fucked up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2009, 12:34:38 PM
That's not gonna happen.  Dumb idea, too.  Like, Newt level dumb.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 12:49:41 PM
Oh yippie .. another administration that floats trial balloons.

If you believe in something, come out and say it. Don't play this shitty game where you leak it and then judge how you really feel by the reaction of the public.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
Wow Obama has been a disaster. I kinda wish McCain won
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 12, 2009, 01:10:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
Wow Obama has been a disaster. I kinda wish McCain won

jesus that would have been hilarious
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:12:06 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2009/03/09/daily36.html


This is excellent use of the stimulus money. Hopefully the program is expanded to the middle class.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Quote
RNC Chairman Michael Steele said that despite telling an interviewer he supports "individual choice" on abortion, he in fact opposes abortion and supports a Constitutional ban, Ben Smith reports.

Steele "has also been reaching out to anti-abortion leaders to damp down the controversy."

First Read: "The interview might serve to create more room for Steele critics inside the GOP to, well, push him aside -- either physically from his position, or like some Dems did with Howard Dean (to be the excuse to start up rival or alternative party building organizations)."

What the fuck? I'm starting to believe this is all a ruse to make the public think Steele is some ultimate maverick, challenging his party to evolve at his own expense. After the talk of a vote of no-confidence being nigh imminent, and all the criticism he's faced...why say something like that, about abortion of all topics
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 12, 2009, 01:20:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Quote
RNC Chairman Michael Steele said that despite telling an interviewer he supports "individual choice" on abortion, he in fact opposes abortion and supports a Constitutional ban, Ben Smith reports.

Steele "has also been reaching out to anti-abortion leaders to damp down the controversy."

First Read: "The interview might serve to create more room for Steele critics inside the GOP to, well, push him aside -- either physically from his position, or like some Dems did with Howard Dean (to be the excuse to start up rival or alternative party building organizations)."

What the fuck? I'm starting to believe this is all a ruse to make the public think Steele is some ultimate maverick, challenging his party to evolve at his own expense. After the talk of a vote of no-confidence being nigh imminent, and all the criticism he's faced...why say something like that, about abortion of all topics
It doesn't make him seem like a maverick, he is the RNC leader not a politician. All it does is continue to build the image that he has no idea what he is doing.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 12, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2009/03/the-reconstruct.html

the highlights

I was kinda expecting hip-hop to be playing in here today.
Aw, sh—. It’s on my, uh, computer there. I haven’t pulled it up yet, but I’ll get a little bit goin’ in a second or two.

Who do you listen to?
I actually listen to a cross section, because I like to hear what the medium is saying, what the voice is.

But do you have a favorite?
P. Diddy I enjoy quite a bit.


How do you deal with the criticism?
I just pray on it.

You do?
Oh yeah. And I ask God, “Hey, let me show just a little bit of love, so I absolutely don’t go out and kick this person’s ass.”


When Barack Obama gave the speech on race, did you agree with what he said?
I did. I mean, some of it. But my concern throughout this campaign was, people were treating him like he was going to be the Second Coming on the question of race. And because you have a black man as president doesn’t mean that tomorrow morning a black business is not gonna get redlined or a black family’s gonna be able to get their house. Those issues still exist. So the reality of it is, electing Barack does not necessarily change the underlying concerns and issues related to race. On one level it does, but I’m still a black man; when I walk in a room, you have attitudes about black folks. I can’t change that. And I’ve gotta deal with that reality regardless of my title. There are people in this country right now who would look at Barack Obama and still refer to him as “boy.” Period. That’s the reality of America. So my point is, just recognize that while the election is historic, while it is important, while it is transformative, it does not absolve us of having to deal day in and day out, in my life and your life, with the question of race.

Was it emotional for you when Barack was sworn in?
No.




You came from a very Democratic family, is that right?
Oh yeah. My parents were Roosevelt Democrats.

How did you become a Republican?
My mama raised me well.

No, really. What was it?
Ronald Reagan was a big influence. I was fascinated by what he had to say. He sounded a lot like how my mother raised me, back in that time. When my dad died, our church, our family, our friends, really put a lot of pressure on her to go on welfare, to get a government check.


Do you have a problem with gay priests who are celibate?
No, it’s your nature. It’s your nature. You can’t—I can’t deny you your nature.

Do you think homosexuality is a choice?
Oh, no. I don’t think I’ve ever really subscribed to that view, that you can turn it on and off like a water tap. Um, you know, I think that there’s a whole lot that goes into the makeup of an individual that, uh, you just can’t simply say, oh, like, “Tomorrow morning I’m gonna stop being gay.” It’s like saying, “Tomorrow morning I’m gonna stop being black.”

So your feeling would be that people are born one way or another.
I mean, I think that’s the prevailing view at this point, and I know that there’s some out there who think that you can absolutely make that choice. And maybe some people have. I don’t know, I can’t say. Until we can give a definitive answer one way or the other, I think we should respect that.



Have you had any dealings with Barack Obama?
Nooo. I tried, I tried. When he first came to Washington, I was two years into my term. At that time, I was the only African-American lieutenant governor in the country. And when Obama became senator, my office called his office several—no, more than several—times, to invite…for the two of us to sit down and get to know each other. I was gonna welcome him to my hometown, Washington, D.C. I figured, you know, take him out and get to know each other. And his office told my staff they didn’t see any need for the two of us to meet. So I’m like, “Oh-kay. All right. I don’t know what that’s all about, but that’s fine.”

And did you do that with everyone who was newly elected in the Senate?
No. I reached out to him brother to brother.

Brother to brother?
Yeah, you know: “There are only two of us, Barack, just you and me. You’re the senator, I’m the lieutenant governor.” ’Cause you didn’t have, you know, the black governors in New York and Massachusetts. It was just us. And I don’t know if it was a staff thing, I don’t know if it was a personal thing, I don’t know what it was. But we never got to meet. And then, when I ran for the senate [in 2006], he was the only African-American elected official in the country to come and campaign against me. Nobody else.




Explain that.
The choice issue cuts two ways. You can choose life, or you can choose abortion. You know, my mother chose life. So, you know, I think the power of the argument of choice boils down to stating a case for one or the other.

Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice.

You do?
Yeah. Absolutely.

Are you saying you don’t want to overturn Roe v. Wade?
I think Roe v. Wade—as a legal matter, Roe v. Wade was a wrongly decided matter.

Okay, but if you overturn Roe v. Wade, how do women have the choice you just said they should have?
The states should make that choice. That’s what the choice is. The individual choice rests in the states. Let them decide.



What was your reaction when you first heard that McCain picked Sarah Palin?
I loved it.

You did?
Well, I know the governor. I know her. I liked her. And you know what? To be fair, before she was demonized and denigrated by the national media, a lot of people thought it was a bold, ballsy move. They thought, Wow.

Yeah, well, wow can mean a lot of things.
I can tell you for a fact, because I’ve got the e-mails. I somehow got in some Democrat loop; I have friends who sometimes include me in stuff, and then they forget I’m there, and they continue to send it out, and people start responding. That weekend, there were e-mails that went around that basically said, “Ohmigod, we’ve got to stop this. We’ve got to make sure that within ten days McCain is kicking her off the ticket.” Because they knew what she represented, after what they’d just done to Hillary Clinton. They put Hillary so far under the bus, she became a tread on the tire.

You still like Palin?
I do.

Is she the future of your party?
She’s one of many leaders that we will have emerge over the next, uh, four to seven years, yeah.

At the end of the day, did she help or hurt the ticket?
I think she helped immensely. I think, uh, people want to put it in the context of how the liberal media responded to her. They were threatened by her.

Why would the media be threatened?
Because! This woman had appeal!

Why would the media be threatened by someone with appeal?
Because they have their own agenda! Remember, in my view, Barack Obama is their creation. I mean, come on! They got behind him very early, and they stayed with him all the way through. And they’ve admitted it. Even The Washington Post—what was it, two weeks after the election?—finally said, “Oh, yeah, I guess we were a little biased in our reporting on Barack Obama.” This country still doesn’t know who this man is!

You believe that?
You don’t know what his philosophical orientation is.

How did you feel when the Muslim rumors were going around?
I didn’t have any feeling about it. I mean, he got up and said, “I’m not a Muslim.” All right, fine, let’s move on. But that speaks to, you know, concerns people have.

Go on.
Again, you can’t put this in the context of just Republicans or right-wing scary folks. I mean, I know a lot of Democrats. I’ve had the conversation—I live in a black community, I hang out in Starbucks there, and there are people who have that concern.

You mean your Starbucks hasn’t closed yet?
No, my Starbucks has not closed. And it better not! You cannot close a Starbucks in a black community. We’ll riot!

So, Rush Limbaugh—good or bad for you guys?
Rush is a friend. I like Rush. Rush is a bomb-thrower extraordinaire. And we need him. We need him because what he does is, he stimulates debate. And I know it drives a lot of folks on the left loony. But so does Al Franken for us. Okay? So don’t give me, “Rush is a bad guy, we need to offset him.” You already have. You got Al Franken, for goodness sakes.

What about Ann Coulter?
Ann Coulter is one of the best bomb-throwers in the business. She is the Carville of the Republican Party, although I think she’s probably a little bit better at it at times. I think it’s precious the way the Democrats react to her and many others, like Rush Limbaugh. I just find it hysterically precious that they’ve become so sanctimonious about her and what she has to say. Yes, she’s got an edge to her—and it’s great.


In your opinion, what’s the Republican alternative to the stimulus package? Is it “Do nothing”?
No! See, the Democrats totally miss the point. The Republicans weren’t saying, “Do nothing.” Republicans have been saying, “Do the right thing.” And the right thing is to concentrate on that sector of the economy that triggered this in the first place: housing. That had a residual effect on other industries—the financial institutions and banks. And put in place the strategies that would help correct the problem there, and incentivize the small-business owners throughout the country, who are the ones who actually do the hiring and firing in this nation. Because 70 percent of the workforce works with small businesses. So the reality of it is, Do the right thing.

How much of the blame do you think Republicans should take for getting us into this mess?
I think—look, I’m not denying our share of responsibility here. Just like the Democrats who sat on those congressional committees—when the president and Republicans were saying that there’s a problem with Freddie and Fannie—were poo-pooing that and saying, “No, it’s just fine.” I’m not absolving anybody for this mess.

What specifically do you blame Bush for, economywise?
Oh, my goodness. The massive bailout at the end of his term? I mean, I don’t even want to use—I don’t even want to get into a blame game, ’cause that’s typical Washington stuff.

What do you think Bush’s legacy will be?
You know, I think the closeness of his administration to events right now and the public perspective on those events and his handling of those events and the outcome—you know, right now, I think, has a mixed result. ’Cause while everyone could scream and jump up and down about the war, you can’t take away from the guy a number of things. One, he didn’t waver in his determination to keep America safe, which has resulted in eight years now without terrorist activity on our soil. He put in place the mechanisms that I think will serve the Obama administration very well, and in fact, as we see, the Obama administration is adopting a lot of Bush policies on the war and the approach for homeland security—including bringing on his secretary of defense. So when people talk about—you know, during the campaign—that John McCain would be a third Bush term? Welcome to the third Bush term, when it comes to national security and foreign affairs.

What’s your opinion of Cheney?
Perhaps one of the most effective and one of the most important vice presidents the nation has had, period. Period. I don’t care if you like the man, I don’t care if you hate the man, you cannot take away from the fact that he was an individual who redefined the role of a vice president at a time of crisis, who brought gravitas to the job.

Do you have any criticism of how Dick Cheney played his role?
Oh gosh, yes. But I think, at the end of the day, the American people are a little bit better off, a little bit safer, because of what he did. Now, we can make the argument about the style of it, we can make the argument about some of the details of it, but it was effective.





Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2009, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
Wow Obama has been a disaster. I kinda wish McCain won

oh ffs
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Steele knows what he is doing, he just doesn't have the backing to pull it off. He realizes that the pubs have to become socially moderate to some degree to become relevant again .. but he is left twisting in the wind with some of these statements he makes. Republican moderates just don't have any power in this country.

Because of his color he was allowed to ascend to a pretty powerful position in the party, but him thinking he can use it as a bully pulpit to exact change on the party isn't going to work.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 12, 2009, 01:55:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2009, 01:19:19 PM
Quote
RNC Chairman Michael Steele said that despite telling an interviewer he supports "individual choice" on abortion, he in fact opposes abortion and supports a Constitutional ban, Ben Smith reports.

Steele "has also been reaching out to anti-abortion leaders to damp down the controversy."

First Read: "The interview might serve to create more room for Steele critics inside the GOP to, well, push him aside -- either physically from his position, or like some Dems did with Howard Dean (to be the excuse to start up rival or alternative party building organizations)."

What the fuck? I'm starting to believe this is all a ruse to make the public think Steele is some ultimate maverick, challenging his party to evolve at his own expense. After the talk of a vote of no-confidence being nigh imminent, and all the criticism he's faced...why say something like that, about abortion of all topics

The interview was conducted on Feb. 24, before most of his recent stumbles.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 12, 2009, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 12, 2009, 01:54:22 PM
Steele knows what he is doing, he just doesn't have the backing to pull it off. He realizes that the pubs have to become socially moderate to some degree to become relevant again .. but he is left twisting in the wind with some of these statements he makes. Republican moderates just don't have any power in this country.

Because of his color he was allowed to ascend to a pretty powerful position in the party, but him thinking he can use it as a bully pulpit to exact change on the party isn't going to work.


Hey, he is a step up from their chairman in the early 90's, Lee Atwater.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on March 12, 2009, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 11, 2009, 06:24:39 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/nyregion/21lirr.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin)

Wow, I totally picked the wrong job...

:piss LIRR :piss2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 12, 2009, 02:45:47 PM
:wtf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on March 12, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
Quote
Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice.

You do?
Yeah. Absolutely.

Are you saying you don’t want to overturn Roe v. Wade?
I think Roe v. Wade—as a legal matter, Roe v. Wade was a wrongly decided matter.

Okay, but if you overturn Roe v. Wade, how do women have the choice you just said they should have?
The states should make that choice. That’s what the choice is. The individual choice rests in the states. Let them decide.

 :S :wtf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 12, 2009, 06:16:15 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 10, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
i don't think that detracts from what he's saying.  I know a few post-communist immigrants  and they're really anti-government intervention because of how the 20th century political process operated in those parts of the world.

oddly, i know a fair few who really despise capitalism on account of how badly they botched the transition in the post-gorbachev years. capitalism has NOT been kind to russia and its former affiliated states.
It's not an issue with capitalism as such, more so the oligarchy that's been created by ex-government employees who've abused the system or more kindly knew how to use the system properly. It probably gives them nightmares about the Tsars and serfs. A case in point is when Russians were given I think 'shares' for power companies etc. People did not know what to do with them, some sold them for a few dollars, others I think even threw them out or used them as material for other goods but one particular government employee knew how to pool resources and eventually own the whole thing.   
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 12, 2009, 06:31:34 PM
This is getting beyond absurd:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/FBI_raids_office_of_DC_CTO_Obama_appointee.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/FBI_raids_office_of_DC_CTO_Obama_appointee.html)

&

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/03/another-top-tre.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/03/another-top-tre.html)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 12, 2009, 07:17:10 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 12, 2009, 06:16:15 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 10, 2009, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 10, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
i don't think that detracts from what he's saying.  I know a few post-communist immigrants  and they're really anti-government intervention because of how the 20th century political process operated in those parts of the world.

oddly, i know a fair few who really despise capitalism on account of how badly they botched the transition in the post-gorbachev years. capitalism has NOT been kind to russia and its former affiliated states.
It's not an issue with capitalism as such, more so the oligarchy that's been created by ex-government employees who've abused the system or more kindly knew how to use the system properly. It probably gives them nightmares about the Tsars and serfs. A case in point is when Russians were given I think 'shares' for power companies etc. People did not know what to do with them, some sold them for a few dollars, others I think even threw them out or used them as material for other goods but one particular government employee knew how to pool resources and eventually own the whole thing.  

kinda like how they did with their ass-backwards implementation of socialism?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on March 13, 2009, 12:35:07 AM
lolololololol

jon stewart just destroyed jim cramer


cramer: i'm just out there trying to help warn and protect people

stewart: roll clip number XXX

*begin clip*

cramer:  it's so easy to game the system.  here's how I do it: blah blah blah.  here's how other people i know do it: blah blah blah. 

*end clip*

cramer: facepalm
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 13, 2009, 01:38:18 AM
Cramer was on Martha Stewart today. She had him stirring stuff.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 13, 2009, 03:17:40 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 13, 2009, 01:38:18 AM
Cramer was on Martha Stewart today. She had him stirring stuff.

Yeah, he probably should have called it a day there.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 13, 2009, 03:52:01 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 13, 2009, 12:35:07 AM
jon stewart just destroyed jim cramer
man, that was almost painful.  I could almost swear I heard Cramer's voice crack a few times in the interview.  I half expected him to cry.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 14, 2009, 08:34:08 AM
A Sellout of Our Unemployed
by  Patrick J. Buchanan
03/13/2009


By the choices we make we define ourselves. We reveal our biases and beliefs. And so, too, do our institutions.

In writing the $789 billion stimulus bill, Congress revealed that, for all its "Buy American" blather, it does not truly put America first. It does not believe that 10 million jobless Americans, in the country their fathers built, should receive any preference in hiring 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens who broke into this country and owe her no loyalty, allegiance or love.

Is this a slur on the patriotism of some of our congressmen? You betcha.

What other conclusion can one reach after Congress refused to require that employers on construction projects, paid for by U.S. tax dollars in the stimulus bill, verify that their workers are Americans?


For that is precisely what Congress did.

The first paragraph of the front-page story in USA Today says it all. "Los Angeles -- Tens of thousands of jobs created by the economic stimulus law could end up filled by illegal immigrants, particularly in big states like California where undocumented workers are heavily represented in construction, experts on both sides of the issue say."

According to the Center for Immigration Studies, illegal aliens will take 300,000 of the 2 million construction jobs to be created by the stimulus bill. The CIS figure is based on Census Bureau estimates that 15 percent of all construction workers are illegal aliens or immigrants who are not authorized to work in the United States.

Robert Rector of Heritage Foundation concurs with the figures on the number of jobs Congress just voted to give to non-Americans.

"Without specific mechanisms to ensure that workers are U.S. citizens or legally authorized to work, it is likely that 15 percent of these workers, or 300,000, would be illegal immigrants."

Other experts put the figure far higher than 15 percent, and certainly higher in California and other Southwestern states, where illegals tend to congregate.

In taking these jobs, illegals will be shouldering aside unemployed Americans. Yet Congress could have, with one vote, guaranteed that virtually every job paid for by U.S. taxpayers would go to U.S. workers.

How? By mandating that all beneficiaries of stimulus money use the E-Verify program of the Department of Homeland Security, which lets employers check the validity of the Social Security number of all new hires. E-Verify is available on a voluntary basis. It is simple, swift and easy to use.

Indeed, E-Verify is becoming standard operating procedure for U.S. businesses that wish to obey the law. According to NumbersUSA, U.S. businesses have used E-Verify in 3 million inquiries this year alone. That is almost half the total of 6.6 million inquiries for all of 2008 and five times the rate of use in 2007.

E-Verify is a smashing success with an accuracy rate of over 99 percent that holds out promise of a day when every employer in America will be able to ensure that every employee is an American or someone authorized to work here. At its rising rate of use, one-fourth to one-third of all new hires could soon be checked by E-Verify.

Isn't this what we all want, what we have all sought -- an easy, verifiable, non-intrusive, inexpensive way for businesses to assure that those they hire are in our country legally?

No, it is not. For Tuesday night, the Senate voted to strip away this protection of American workers from the unfair competition of illegal aliens.

The Senate voted 50 to 47 to end E-Verify in six months, when current funding runs out. Sen. Jeff Sessions' proposal to give this successful program five more years was rejected 50 to 47.

Republicans and seven Democrats voted to save E-Verify. But only Democrats voted to kill it.

How did Harry Reid kill the E-Verify provision that was in the House version of the stimulus package? The Senate was not even allowed to vote on it. And when the two bills were reconciled in the Pelosi-Reid conference, E-Verify disappeared.

This was a huge victory for La Raza and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, whose lobbyists have labored long to ensure that their member companies pay no price for dumping U.S. workers and hiring illegal aliens.

Yet, this battle is not over. If Americans understand that the Pelosi-Reid Democrats have no problem with illegal aliens taking jobs from unemployed Americans, that party can be made to pay a price in 2010.

As of today, there exists a Republican-Blue Dog Democrat coalition in both houses that is serious about putting our country and countrymen first, be it on spending bills or trade measures. This is a foundation to build on.

E-Verify is not dead. For the Reid-Pelosi-Obama Left cannot survive the perception that it is aiding and abetting illegal aliens in taking the jobs of unemployed Americans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 14, 2009, 02:29:40 PM
Da fuck?

Quote
On Wednesday, only two days after he lifted President Bush’s executive order banning federal funding of stem cell research that requires the destruction of human embryos, President Barack Obama signed a law that explicilty bans federal funding of any "research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death."

The provision was buried in the 465-page omnibus appropriations bill that Obama signed Wednesday.  Known as the Dickey-Wicker amendment, it has been included in the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services every fiscal year since 1996.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=44943 (http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=44943)

LMAO. Had to triple check to make sure I wasn't reading The Onion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 14, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
sweet jesus >:(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
Wait, what?  Seriously?

Obama, wtf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 14, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
so what would the motivation for this be?  Was the approval of Dickey-Wicker merely a compromise in order to get the omnibus appropriations bill through, and something that he will attempt to repeal next September?  I can't imagine he just repealed Bush's executive order for the publicity...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2009, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 14, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
I can't imagine he just repealed Bush's executive order for the publicity...

I can. Dude needs to stop trying to be everything to everybody. At least Bush had a backbone
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 14, 2009, 03:47:02 PM
Except Obama isn't FoC, and can probably think two days ahead of himself.  
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2009, 03:50:50 PM
not to mention it being filled with earmarks, then Obama whips out a list on how to "lower" earmark spending

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 14, 2009, 03:51:59 PM
I'm not shocked.  Just confirms what I already knew.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 14, 2009, 08:12:56 PM
doesn't the majority of congress already support stem cell research?
Title: Deep breaths everyone
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2009, 09:23:29 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 14, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
sweet jesus >:(

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2009, 03:20:05 PM
Wait, what?  Seriously?

Obama, wtf

Quote from: Chipopo on March 14, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
so what would the motivation for this be?  Was the approval of Dickey-Wicker merely a compromise in order to get the omnibus appropriations bill through, and something that he will attempt to repeal next September?  I can't imagine he just repealed Bush's executive order for the publicity...

Dickey-Wicker was always going to be in the bill.  It's basically a dead letter law.

The Clinton administration made an end-run around the prohibition by having HHS rule that embryonic stem cells don't count as embryos under the statute.  No indication that Obama won't do the same.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2009, 12:56:14 AM
Oh, alright.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 15, 2009, 09:16:37 AM
ToxicAdam:

http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/801439/opal_covey_for_toledo_mayor

lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 15, 2009, 09:51:37 AM
lol. If Carty wins again ....

I bet she has a big thick bush. :drool
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Positive Touch on March 15, 2009, 10:00:08 AM
"again?"

you mean people actually listened to her and thought it would be a good idea to put her in charge?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 15, 2009, 10:03:39 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 15, 2009, 10:00:08 AM
"again?"

you mean people actually listened to her and thought it would be a good idea to put her in charge?

http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/32867/Opal_Covey_Is_Our_Only_Chance
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 15, 2009, 10:55:18 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 15, 2009, 10:00:08 AM
"again?"

you mean people actually listened to her and thought it would be a good idea to put her in charge?

Carty is Carty Finkbeiner. An on again, off again mayor of the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton_S._Finkbeiner#Controversy

This is just recent stuff .. back in the 80's and 90's he was involved in scandal after scandal. Nothing ever big .. just a bunch of dumb little shit that makes you wonder about the man's mentality.



That is who that mental case of a woman is railing (and running) against.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 15, 2009, 01:52:27 PM
Obama owns himself.


[youtube=560,345]lt-jcS3ItRY&Digg[/youtube]


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 15, 2009, 02:50:38 PM
Hey guys. Remember back during the campaign when we were told how horrible of a healthcare plan McCain had because it would tax health benefits?

Quote
The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits, as several influential lawmakers and many economists favor, to help pay for overhauling the health care system.

The proposal is politically problematic for President Obama, however, since it is similar to one he denounced in the presidential campaign as “the largest middle-class tax increase in history.” Most Americans with insurance get it from their employers, and taxing workers for the benefit is opposed by union leaders and some businesses.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/15health.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/15health.html?_r=1)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 15, 2009, 03:27:03 PM
Ahhh .. 'change' all over mah face ....


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 15, 2009, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: Spencer on March 15, 2009, 03:35:17 PM
So has this turned into Barack: Just another politician? Time to take down the banners?
Pretty much every single car I see in my town still has obama bumper stickers lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2009, 04:26:44 PM
I have serious doubts about good healthcare reform making its way past Max Baucus.  On the other hand...



No tax exemption for health benefits + individual vouchers = adverse selection nightmare downward spiral

while

No tax exemption for health benefits + public plan = awesome sneaky socialized medicine
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 15, 2009, 05:24:18 PM
Politician reneges on campaign, news at 11 featuring analysis from one side blindly defending it and one side blowing it out of proportion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
Vapid smugness, story continued on page A13.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 15, 2009, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
Vapid smugness, story continued on page A13.
Hey Mandark, what's the deal with Obama promising to eliminate all of these "earmarks", yet they're still in the budget, you call that change?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 15, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
Anyone who thought Obama was going to be the perfect best president ever was stupid and naive.

His first 3 months or so in office so far have been far better to me personally than Clinton's and I love me some Bill Clinton. And after watching the 2000 and 2004 elections having a President I thought would be pushing through more policy I agreed with than Clinton was something I long since gave up hope on. He is far from perfect and has fucked up (Sec of Treasury...etc).

But I can't see anyway a self-identified liberal can claim the first few months of the Obama administration has not been better for our ideology than the first few months of any president in their personal lifetime.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2009, 09:43:23 PM
Conservatives are just butthurt, that's all
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 16, 2009, 12:08:13 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 15, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
But I can't see anyway a self-identified liberal can claim the first few months of the Obama administration has not been better for our ideology than the first few months of any president in their personal lifetime.
I stopped caring what "our ideology" was when Bush got re-elected.

I hope that Obama gets a lot more moderate on some issues like energy because his current stance on that is really just shallow-minded butt-kissing at best.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on March 16, 2009, 03:19:05 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2009, 03:37:05 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 14, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
I can't imagine he just repealed Bush's executive order for the publicity...

I can. Dude needs to stop trying to be everything to everybody. At least Bush had a backbone

You're confusing blind stubbornness with a backbone. Again.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 16, 2009, 04:08:57 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 15, 2009, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
Vapid smugness, story continued on page A13.
Hey Mandark, what's the deal with Obama promising to eliminate all of these "earmarks", yet they're still in the budget, you call that change?


That's not change you can believe in!  :McCaindeathrictus
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 16, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
(http://www.thehumphries.org/colbert_challenge/mccaingreenscreen.png)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 16, 2009, 09:06:27 PM
Quote
The leader of the nation's largest veterans organization says he is "deeply disappointed and concerned" after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

"It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan," said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. "He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it."

The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ' to care for him who shall have borne the battle' given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans!"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment (http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: T-Short on March 17, 2009, 08:21:26 AM
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/obama-declares.html (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/obama-declares.html)

Quote
President Barack Obama came into office in January promising a new era of openness.
But now, like Bush before him, Obama is playing the national security card to hide details of the controversial Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement being negotiated across the globe.
The White House this week declared (.pdf) the text of the proposed treaty a "properly classified" national security secret, in rejecting a Freedom of Information Act request by Knowledge Ecology International.
"Please be advised the documents you seek are being withheld in full," wrote  Carmen Suro-Bredie, chief FOIA officer in the White House's Office of the U.S. Trade Representative.
The national security claim is stunning, given that the treaty negotiations have included the 27 member states of the European Union, Japan, South Korea, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Switzerland and New Zealand, all of whom presumably have access to the "classified" information.

couple of days old but :-\

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 10:51:52 AM
Best political cartoon ever. Mixes my love of evil dead, mocking reagan, and obama all into one. :heart

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2rc4nl1.gif)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: archie4208 on March 17, 2009, 11:22:29 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090317/D96VPA601.html

Senator sez AIG execs should kill themselves.  I agree.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 17, 2009, 12:50:19 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on March 17, 2009, 11:22:29 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090317/D96VPA601.html

Senator sez AIG execs should kill themselves.  I agree.

The government officials should kill themselves for giving AIG money also.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
Quote
Caterpillar Inc. announced a fresh round of job cuts Tuesday, laying off more than 2,400 employees at five plants in Illinois, Indiana and Georgia as the heavy equipment maker continues to cut costs amid the global economic downturn.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090317/caterpillar_layoffs.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090317/caterpillar_layoffs.html)

So, I take it the stimulus plan will end up recreating these jobs at some uncertain date in the future for which Obama can claim credit?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 17, 2009, 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
Quote
Caterpillar Inc. announced a fresh round of job cuts Tuesday, laying off more than 2,400 employees at five plants in Illinois, Indiana and Georgia as the heavy equipment maker continues to cut costs amid the global economic downturn.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090317/caterpillar_layoffs.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090317/caterpillar_layoffs.html)

So, I take it the stimulus plan will end up recreating these jobs at some uncertain date in the future for which Obama can claim credit?

You're not counting all the government jobs the Obama is saving. The stimulus us working!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 17, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 01:00:46 PM
Quote
Caterpillar Inc. announced a fresh round of job cuts Tuesday, laying off more than 2,400 employees at five plants in Illinois, Indiana and Georgia as the heavy equipment maker continues to cut costs amid the global economic downturn.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090317/caterpillar_layoffs.html (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090317/caterpillar_layoffs.html)

So, I take it the stimulus plan will end up recreating these jobs at some uncertain date in the future for which Obama can claim credit?

You're going to look mighty foolish in like a year.

So is this what this thread has become?  I cave for our conservative members to yell into and just hear faint echos?  It's pretty pathetic, mate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html


I always wondered how blogs could be on the same page, often on the same day, about the issues of the day.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 17, 2009, 01:26:38 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html


I always wondered how blogs could be on the same page, often on the same day, about the issues of the day.





Quote
For the past two years, several hundred left-leaning bloggers, political reporters, magazine writers, policy wonks and academics have talked stories and compared notes in an off-the-record online meeting space called JournoList.

Proof of a vast liberal media conspiracy?

Not at all, says Ezra Klein, the 24-year-old American Prospect blogging wunderkind who formed JournoList in February 2007. “Basically,” he says, “it’s just a list where journalists and policy wonks can discuss issues freely.”

But some of the journalists who participate in the online discussion say — off the record, of course — that it has been a great help in their work. On the record, The New Yorker’s Jeffrey Toobin acknowledged that a Talk of the Town piece — he won’t say which one — got its start in part via a conversation on JournoList. And JLister Eric Alterman, The Nation writer and CUNY professor, said he’s seen discussions that start on the list seep into the world beyond.

this totally makes sense and is nothing more than an updating on the "vast right wing conspiracy" where it's just small groups moving in independent yet similar directions
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 17, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
You're going to look mighty foolish in like a year.

Is that after Stimulus II or III?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 01:31:58 PM
[youtube=560,345]uMgvfPKVzaM[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 01:37:03 PM
Is Dennis Miller still in that weird post-9/11 switch to republican party out of fear of terror state a lot of people seemed to go through but mostly have gotten over by now?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 17, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 01:29:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 17, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
You're going to look mighty foolish in like a year.

Is that after Stimulus II or III?

Honestly, you're not even worth arguing with, because you are so principally against the idea of a stimulus that you fail to try and comprehend when and where its immediate effects lie and when and where it's long-term effects occur.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2009, 01:41:27 PM
Holy shit that video more contains nutjob catchphrases than a rap video contains rented sports cars

BERKELEY
NEW YORK TIMES
LIBURUL
PROFESSOR
TORTURE LOL :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 17, 2009, 02:03:17 PM
I need to start watching the Glen Beck guy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on March 17, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
100% taxation on AIG (and possibly other) bonuses?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090317/ap_on_go_co/aig_outrage

:usacry
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 17, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Honestly, you're not even worth arguing with, because you are so principally against the idea of a stimulus that you fail to try and comprehend when and where its immediate effects lie and when and where it's long-term effects occur.

My opposition is based on its long-term effects.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2009, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 17, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Honestly, you're not even worth arguing with, because you are so principally against the idea of a stimulus that you fail to try and comprehend when and where its immediate effects lie and when and where it's long-term effects occur.

My opposition is based on its long-term effects.

The debt?  Who cares, it's all monopoly money as long as we've got the most guns.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 17, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 17, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Honestly, you're not even worth arguing with, because you are so principally against the idea of a stimulus that you fail to try and comprehend when and where its immediate effects lie and when and where it's long-term effects occur.

My opposition is based on its long-term effects.

Where were you like 4 years ago?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2009, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 03:25:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 17, 2009, 01:40:23 PM
Honestly, you're not even worth arguing with, because you are so principally against the idea of a stimulus that you fail to try and comprehend when and where its immediate effects lie and when and where it's long-term effects occur.

My opposition is based on its long-term effects.

Your opposition is based on speculation? That is building a castle on sand.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 05:59:51 PM
sd you used to make posts like "the dow is down another 200 today...." why did you suddenly stop about a week ago?  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2009, 06:06:01 PM
well, i ain't gonna attribute any uptick in economic performance to the stimulus myself at this time, although it might help SUSTAIN that uptick

on the other hand, the reactionary hypocrisy and knee-jerk helplessness of conservatives during this crisis has been actually pretty hilarious in a not-so-funny way
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 06:13:11 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 17, 2009, 06:06:01 PM
well, i ain't gonna attribute any uptick in economic performance to the stimulus myself at this time, although it might help SUSTAIN that uptick

Oh I agree totally I just pointed it out cause sd constantly brought it up when it was dropping every day but shut up about it the second it started to improve.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
And you'll be dropping it/spinning it once the rally ends and it starts dipping again. Your point?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 06:44:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
And you'll be dropping it/spinning it once the rally ends and it starts dipping again. Your point?
wtf can you read? I never brought it up once, it has been going up for about a week but I didnt post about it because I dont think it matters, I only posted the fact sd stopped posting it soon as it went up, my post was about sd's spin or lack there of not me posting about the stupid dow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2009, 06:50:15 PM
The DOW is highly overrated as a measuring stick for the health of the economy as a whole, imo. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 17, 2009, 06:48:00 PM

and on and on.  Goes both ways...and I don't remember what you said about it before Cheebs, but you're just doing your part in that cycle by bringing it up again.
Arrrrgh I wasn't talking about the dow I was talking about sd. I have posted many times here how I feel using the dow as a daily tracking poll for the economy is stupid.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 06:56:46 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 17, 2009, 06:54:32 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 17, 2009, 06:48:00 PM

and on and on.  Goes both ways...and I don't remember what you said about it before Cheebs, but you're just doing your part in that cycle by bringing it up again.
Arrrrgh I wasn't talking about the dow I was talking about sd. I have posted many times here how I feel using the dow as a daily tracking poll for the economy is stupid.

You're talking about exactly what I was talking about. 

I know but my point remains I don't give a shit about the dow, when it is up or down.

I can't point out how sd day after day used the dow as a means to attack Obama and then magically dropped it when it didn't fit his agenda without somehow implying the dow going up = obama is doing good?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 17, 2009, 06:50:15 PM
The DOW is highly overrated as a measuring stick for the health of the economy as a whole, imo. 

.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 07:00:02 PM
Using the dow to track ANYTHING sucks and that was the main point of my post to showcase how stupid it is for sd to use it that way but that point was completely lost on some (like PD) for some damn reason. Which confuses me cause I have attacked making the dow important nonstop here.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 05:59:51 PM
sd you used to make posts like "the dow is down another 200 today...." why did you suddenly stop about a week ago?  :'(

Because Obama convinced me that everything is awesome with his lecture on profit and earnings ratios.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 09:20:50 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 17, 2009, 03:26:38 PM
The debt?  Who cares, it's all monopoly money as long as we've got the most guns.

So, I guess it doesn't matter then that the CBO concluded it will ultimately have a negative drag on the economy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 17, 2009, 09:25:18 PM
The Dow isn't a proper gauge of the economy (otherwise we would be really fucked) but it is a decent barometer of optimism/pessimism.  Lower Dow numbers usually mean tighter purse strings.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2009, 09:37:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 09:18:32 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 05:59:51 PM
sd you used to make posts like "the dow is down another 200 today...." why did you suddenly stop about a week ago?  :'(

Because Obama convinced me that everything is awesome with his lecture on profit and earnings ratios.

you'd be better off with obama than, say, ron paul

although that's not saying much
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2009, 10:08:23 PM
I think this is appropriate:

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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 10:16:29 PM
:lol


Man, that hit me just right. I laughed for a minute straight.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 10:23:30 PM
MMMM...blonde pubes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
Everybody is rushing to condemn AIG's bonuses, but this simple scandal is obscuring the real disgrace at the insurance giant: Why are AIG's counterparties getting paid back in full, to the tune of tens of billions of taxpayer dollars?

For the answer to this question, we need to go back to the very first decision to bail out AIG, made, we are told, by then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, then-New York Fed official Timothy Geithner, Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein, and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke last fall. Post-Lehman's collapse, they feared a systemic failure could be triggered by AIG's inability to pay the counterparties to all the sophisticated instruments AIG had sold. And who were AIG's trading partners? No shock here: Goldman, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, UBS, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Deutsche Bank, Barclays, and on it goes. So now we know for sure what we already surmised: The AIG bailout has been a way to hide an enormous second round of cash to the same group that had received TARP money already.


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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2009, 11:07:37 PM
Curses, TA! I was just about to post that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 10:52:27 PM
Everybody is rushing to condemn AIG's bonuses, but this simple scandal is obscuring the real disgrace at the insurance giant: Why are AIG's counterparties getting paid back in full, to the tune of tens of billions of taxpayer dollars?


Because its a very simple easy thing for the Obama administration (and all politicians, do you really think grassley gives a shit about the bonuses as much as his suicide remarks let on? of course not) to latch onto to boost their populist creds after massive spending. It's a easy, non-divisive political win-win. They aren't going after AIG over  165 million, that's pennies for the Obama administration. It's good politics to be seen as the enemy of big business.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
So, more style over substance?  Awesome.

As long as those approval ratings stay high.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2009, 11:12:06 PM
So, more style over substance?  Awesome.

As long as those approval ratings stay high.


I am not defending it, but it's clearly the obvious reason why his administration is doing this. Obama administration people this week have been barnstorming the cable news doing the whole "how dare they abuse the tax payer money" thing.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 17, 2009, 11:20:34 PM
yeah, can't say i like the faux-populist outrage thing, since it smacks of a distinct rove-ian bent. i'd rather they educate dumb americans than manipulate them, even if the former may be somewhat impossible and the latter incredibly easy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 17, 2009, 11:22:02 PM
The whole AIG thing stinks.  The bonuses, the payouts to other parties, etc.

What really irks me is that nothing will be done about it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 17, 2009, 11:22:38 PM
Yeah but it almost necessary if the administration wants decent approval ratings.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
I think it's time for some street justice on these AIG execs, hobo with a shotgun style.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 17, 2009, 11:20:34 PM
yeah, can't say i like the faux-populist outrage thing, since it smacks of a distinct rove-ian bent.
It really is, David Axelrod's doing I imagine. Turn on any of the morning shows this week and your bound to see someone from team obama on tv blasting corporations for wasting tax payer money.

Sometimes I worry about about Axelrod's sway since he is a pure political beast and not one for policy. I mean a few weeks ago I saw a interview with Jimmy Carter where he said he had about a 4 meeting with Obama one evening where they discussed foreign policy and he said it was just him, obama, and axelrod. Why would Axelrod even need to be there? Whatever...

Quote from: T EXP on March 17, 2009, 11:22:38 PM
Yeah but it almost necessary if the administration wants decent approval ratings.
Oh yeah of course it's understandable, with all the bailouts and the like they needed something to boost their populist cred and latched on to this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 11:27:46 PM
er... 4 hour
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 17, 2009, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 17, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
I think it's time for some street justice on these AIG execs, hobo with a shotgun style.

But the bonuses were contractual!!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2009, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: Willco on March 17, 2009, 11:33:11 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 17, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
I think it's time for some street justice on these AIG execs, hobo with a shotgun style.

But the bonuses were contractual!!!

Yeah, I bet they'll have a hard time saying that around a mouthful of shotgun.  ka-BOOM, nukka.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 17, 2009, 11:41:00 PM
Well none of that matters, Obama is going to be on ESPN tomorrow to discuss his college basketball bracket picks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2009, 12:42:45 AM
We have been alive for what will be the greatest heist in history.

What can we do but sit back and shrug.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
Quote
Barack Obama even needs a teleprompter to get mad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=3 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=3)

Ouch. Good column.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 09:20:55 AM
Quote
Barack Obama even needs a teleprompter to get mad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=3 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/opinion/18dowd.html?_r=3)

Ouch. Good column.

Now I know you're high- you're saying MAUREEN DOWD wrote a "good column"?  Ugh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 09:32:26 AM
Knew that'd get some attention.  :-*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:05:27 AM
I can't fathom how that woman won a Pulitzer prize.  I guess they give those things out to just anyone now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: tiesto on March 18, 2009, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 17, 2009, 10:23:30 PM
MMMM...blonde pubes.

:bow :bow :bow

(never thought I'd be agreeing with siamese about something in a political thread)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 18, 2009, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:05:27 AM
I can't fathom how that woman won a Pulitzer prize.  I guess they give those things out to just anyone now.

What are talking about? Her observation that Democrats are totally women WITH FRILLY VAGINAS* would never have sunk in unless she wrote her 1372nd column about it and I finally realized her brilliance.

*unless her subject actually is a woman, in which case they're dykes with dicks
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2009, 12:15:34 PM
Dowd haters? EB surprises me every day!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on March 18, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
She's basically made it a career of being snarky.  Her politics are actually very liberal, though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 18, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
Like David Brooks, she's basically made a career out of saying the same thing 1,500 different ways. Can't stand her.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 18, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
So how many times do we have to be fucked over by Chris Dodd before we seek to have him removed from office?

Quote
Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., won passage of a provision earlier this year that they said would have prevented the type of payments now at the center of the [AIG] storm.

It was dropped without explanation in the final compromise on the economic stimulus measure, replaced by a less restrictive set of conditions backed by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and accepted by the White House.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2009, 02:57:14 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 18, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
So how many times do we have to be fucked over by Chris Dodd before we seek to have him removed from office?

Quote
Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., won passage of a provision earlier this year that they said would have prevented the type of payments now at the center of the [AIG] storm.

It was dropped without explanation in the final compromise on the economic stimulus measure, replaced by a less restrictive set of conditions backed by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and accepted by the White House.


ugh just ugh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 03:21:53 PM
Holy Shit at the Fed. Increasing their balance sheet another $1.2 trillion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
Hope the White House has extra flak jackets on hand:

Quote
Fannie Mae is due to pay retention bonuses of as much $470,000 to $611,000 this year to some executives despite enormous losses at the government-backed mortgage company. Fannie's main rival, Freddie Mac, also plans to pay such bonuses but hasn't yet provided details.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod)



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 18, 2009, 03:49:05 PM
You have to pay money if you want to retain such brilliant talent.


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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 18, 2009, 03:50:43 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
Hope the White House has extra flak jackets on hand:

Quote
Fannie Mae is due to pay retention bonuses of as much $470,000 to $611,000 this year to some executives despite enormous losses at the government-backed mortgage company. Fannie's main rival, Freddie Mac, also plans to pay such bonuses but hasn't yet provided details.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod)


OH SHIT   LOL



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 18, 2009, 03:55:59 PM
I actually wrote a voice of the people opinion piece to my hometown newspaper concerning one of Maureen O'Dowd's columns 5-6 years ago. She is terrible
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
Hope the White House has extra flak jackets on hand:

Quote
Fannie Mae is due to pay retention bonuses of as much $470,000 to $611,000 this year to some executives despite enormous losses at the government-backed mortgage company. Fannie's main rival, Freddie Mac, also plans to pay such bonuses but hasn't yet provided details.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod)

That should be easier to stop, given that the govt is actually now in charge of both.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 18, 2009, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 03:47:54 PM
Hope the White House has extra flak jackets on hand:

Quote
Fannie Mae is due to pay retention bonuses of as much $470,000 to $611,000 this year to some executives despite enormous losses at the government-backed mortgage company. Fannie's main rival, Freddie Mac, also plans to pay such bonuses but hasn't yet provided details.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123739512036672809.html#mod=testMod)

That should be easier to stop, given that the govt is actually now in charge of both.


"Should be easy" and "actually happening" don't go hand in hand at the federal level. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 04:05:19 PM
::)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
That should be easier to stop, given that the govt is actually now in charge of both.

How is that different from AIG?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
That should be easier to stop, given that the govt is actually now in charge of both.

How is that different from AIG?

My understanding (and I may be wrong here) is that the Fed is actually in nominal control of Fannie and Freddie.  With AIG, we own like 80% of the company but have yet to storm the boardroom and kill the idiots yet.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 05:45:21 PM
Obama is going to do a big rally at 7:00 tonight in California, interesting.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 18, 2009, 05:55:58 PM
/me buys a box of oreos
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 18, 2009, 06:54:43 PM
fuccck that Obama town hall is like 5 blocks from my house

:gloomy my commute home :gloomy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 18, 2009, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on March 18, 2009, 06:54:43 PM
fuccck that Obama town hall is like 5 blocks from my house

:gloomy my commute home :gloomy

sounds like you should pull some OT
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on March 18, 2009, 06:54:43 PM
fuccck that Obama town hall is like 5 blocks from my house

:gloomy my commute home :gloomy
The place is probably already packed to full capacity by now I'd imagine.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 07:02:53 PM
oh I misunderstood you I thought you said you wanted to go lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 18, 2009, 07:18:41 PM
Obama blasts AIG bonuses, admits 'buck stops with me' (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/18/obama.economy/index.html)

its so damn refreshing to have a politician, much less the president, admit to screwing up.  That one hasn't been batting a thousand lately, but there's a guy running the show who's acknowledged that he's running an imperfect system and angling to fix it with an imperfect solution.  Ironically, all this uncertainty makes me feel better about the administration.  Its nice to know we finally have people in charge who can learn from their mistakes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 18, 2009, 07:18:41 PM
Obama blasts AIG bonuses, admits 'buck stops with me' (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/18/obama.economy/index.html)

its so damn refreshing to have a politician, much less the president, admit to screwing up.  That one hasn't been batting a thousand lately, but there's a guy running the show who's acknowledged that he's running an imperfect system and angling to fix it with an imperfect solution.  Ironically, all this uncertainty makes me feel better about the administration.  Its nice to know we finally have people in charge who can learn from their mistakes.
It is always weird when I hear Obama admit to messing up. He took the blame for the tax stuff with his appointee's and it was weird hearing him admit to screwing up during that. Mainly cause Bush didn't take blame for anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 18, 2009, 07:43:12 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 18, 2009, 07:09:58 PM
You should learn to use the edit feeture.

lepered
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
Quote
Although Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told congressional leaders on Tuesday that he learned of AIG's impending $160 million bonus payments to members of its troubled financial-products unit on March 10, sources tell TIME that the New York Federal Reserve informed Treasury staff that the payments were imminent on Feb. 28. That is 10 days before Treasury staffers say they first learned "full details" of the bonus plan, and three days before the Administration launched a new $30 billion infusion of cash for AIG.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1886138,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1886138,00.html)

So, Geithner lied to congress (was he under oath?). How can he survive this?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2009, 07:56:16 PM
this is probably all a ploy. Dems try to strip bonuses, if republicans refuse they look like they're the ones in bed with these criminals. and in the process Timmy might be thrown under the bus

win win?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 18, 2009, 08:00:25 PM
sounds like something rahm emmanuel would do, but at the same time Obama praised Timmeh during the same speech Cheebs referred to. I think it's wishful thinking that there is some kind of grand force at play-congressional House Dems aren't happy, Republicans are tonedeaf, and Obama's firm in his belief that the actions of the treasury department looks bad because there's no way they could look good (which I believe is due to the shit Summers and Geithner are feeding him).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 18, 2009, 08:01:13 PM
cue debate on meaning of 'full details'
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2009, 08:30:41 PM
Quote
Dodd is very politically vulnerable. He is a major target of the Right because of his genuinely questionable involvement with various banks, including his Countrywide mortgate, and this story (fueled by the fact that Dodd is a receipient of substantial AIG campaign donations), inflames those accusations. As predictable as can be, right-wing news outlets like Fox, Drudge and others have blown this Dodd story up today into a major scandal -- heaping blame for the AIG payments on Dodd -- and it was all started by Obama officials to ensure that no blame for these provisions was laid where it belongs: at the feet of Geithner and Summers.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/17/dodd/index.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 09:07:37 PM
Someone should primary Dodd.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
Rumor is that Kudlow will run in CT.  :o
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
Rumor is that Kudlow will run in CT.  :o

That's probably the only idiot that would lose to Dodd.  Just like what's gonna happen in PA- if Club for Growth goon Toomey primaries Specter you might as well GIVE that seat to [insert Dem here].  Hell, Chris Matthews could beat Toomey.  Republicans just WANT to stay out in the wilderness, it's so cute!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
i'm really getting fed up with geithner and summers
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2009, 09:56:11 PM
He's done shady shit but it sounds like his hands are clean here. My question is: where does Obama fit in all this? Was he truly railroaded by his treasury folks on this? Either way he's willing to man up and take the public blame (but then again he has to)

edit: hold on..
Quote
Senate Banking Committe Chairman Christopher Dodd (D-CT) admitted to CNN that he was responsible for the loophole in the economic stimulus package that allowed firms like AIG receiving bailout funds to pay bonuses.

Just yesterday, Dodd denied having anything to do with the provision.

Of course, this news only adds to Dodd's re-election troubles.
???
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 18, 2009, 09:49:32 PM
i'm really getting fed up with geithner and summers

Fortunately, I think that Geithner won't survive much longer.  Which is kind of a shame because out of the two I'd rather keep him- Summers is so aggressive that I fear he'd try to dominate any discussion he's a part of, while I view Geithner as just a useful idiot.  But yeah, having them on each of Obama's shoulders whispering stupid nothings into his ears is pretty frustrating.  I imagine Paul Volcker just wants to beat the two of them to death.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 18, 2009, 10:02:43 PM
dodd needs to swing from a meathook if he did that
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Dodd is going to swing from a meathook regardless.  He's got little to nothing in his war chest, he's deeply unpopular in Connecticut and RFK Jr. has been wanting to run for the Senate for years now.  Then again he's a big friend of the Kennedy family, so maybe Bobby Jr. wouldn't try to primary him.  SOMEONE should tho, because he's likely to lose if he's the dem nominee.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Dodd is going to swing from a meathook regardless.  He's got little to nothing in his war chest, he's deeply unpopular in Connecticut and RFK Jr. has been wanting to run for the Senate for years now.  Then again he's a big friend of the Kennedy family, so maybe Bobby Jr. wouldn't try to primary him.  SOMEONE should tho, because he's likely to lose if he's the dem nominee.
Well Dodd got endorsed by Lieberman last week, isn't that the kiss of death?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 10:10:56 PM
RFK Jr? Oh sheeeee...

He gets in there and before you know it you're got to pedal a stationary bike to run your 360.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Dodd is going to swing from a meathook regardless.  He's got little to nothing in his war chest, he's deeply unpopular in Connecticut and RFK Jr. has been wanting to run for the Senate for years now.  Then again he's a big friend of the Kennedy family, so maybe Bobby Jr. wouldn't try to primary him.  SOMEONE should tho, because he's likely to lose if he's the dem nominee.

Well Dodd got endorsed by Lieberman last week, isn't that the kiss of death?

I've got 2012 circled on my calendar.  Gonna finally drive a stake through Lieberman's heart.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Dodd is going to swing from a meathook regardless.  He's got little to nothing in his war chest, he's deeply unpopular in Connecticut and RFK Jr. has been wanting to run for the Senate for years now.  Then again he's a big friend of the Kennedy family, so maybe Bobby Jr. wouldn't try to primary him.  SOMEONE should tho, because he's likely to lose if he's the dem nominee.

Well Dodd got endorsed by Lieberman last week, isn't that the kiss of death?

I've got 2012 circled on my calendar.  Gonna finally drive a stake through Lieberman's heart.
Lieberman will probably retire, he won't want face an obvious losing campaign.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:20:11 PM
You're overlooking Lieberman's massive ego.  No way he goes quietly.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 10:32:26 PM
By 2012 Leibs will be the least of your worries.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:34:11 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 10:32:26 PM
By 2012 Leibs will be the least of your worries.

Yeah, I guess having a 60+ super majority in the Senate for two years will sure put a damper on things.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2009, 10:41:08 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 10:32:26 PM
By 2012 Leibs will be the least of your worries.

Yes, I can't wait to get back to government secrecy, lies, pandering to the rich, and senseless war.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:34:11 PM
Yeah, I guess having a 60+ super majority in the Senate for two years will sure put a damper on things.

I sense a wager. What do you think?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 10:55:32 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 18, 2009, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:34:11 PM
Yeah, I guess having a 60+ super majority in the Senate for two years will sure put a damper on things.

I sense a wager. What do you think?

Net of at least four seats in the Senate in 2010.  Book it.  House could go either way, but probably won't go more than 10 seats in either direction.  Senate elections in 2010 are BAD for the GOP.  Open seat in Florida, open seat in Ohio, open seat in New Hampshire, etc etc.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 18, 2009, 11:00:31 PM
I'm in :drool

I bet Libertarian majority
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 18, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
Dodd already has the declared former Republican Rep. Simmons (and popular one-he lasted two terms longer than most Northeastern GOP Reps did when the purge of the region started) . He's well known and was on track to give Dodd a run for his life before Notorious A.I.G. released its latest single.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 18, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
What are you homos betting?  Loser sucks my cock?

I'll give sd a signed Michael Vick jersey if the Republicans net any Senate seats in 2010.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 18, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
Dodd already has the declared former Republican Rep. Simmons (and popular one-he lasted two terms longer than most Northeastern GOP Reps did when the purge of the region started) . He's well known and was on track to give Dodd a run for his life before Notorious A.I.G. released its latest single.

Yeah, but can Simmons beat KRAZY KUDLOW in a primary?  Put another way- are there enough sane people who want to vote in Republican primaries to NOT pick the wingnuttiest candidate?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 18, 2009, 11:18:57 PM
Doesn't 2010 have like at least 3 open seats that democrats are more or less considered locks to pick up? I have no idea what sd is implying?

And if he is implying Obama will lose in 2012 then lol. It doesn't matter the state of the ecomony there is NO WAY Obama is going to lose to rejects like Romney, Palin, or Jindal. GOP needs to dominate someone like the gov. from utah if they want a prayer that year but they won't do that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 12:41:57 AM
If his presidency is marred by scandal, lies, and broken promises then sure. If not...good luck beating someone who could sell water to a well
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 19, 2009, 12:46:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 12:41:57 AM
If his presidency is marred by scandal, lies, and broken promises then sure. If not...good luck beating someone who could sell water to a well
The expression is: selling ice to an Eskimo.

How could a well buy water?

 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 12:50:33 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/jaycrazyglasses.jpg)

smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 19, 2009, 12:53:14 AM
Forgot about that... :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
Next couple of elections will fiddle around the edges, and 60 Senators is a kind of a big deal, but let's be real.

The GOP's gonna rise up on a tidal wave of angry economic populism using their platform of less corporate regulation and lower taxes on the wealthy?  That's the plan?  Really?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 19, 2009, 01:15:28 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 19, 2009, 12:58:47 AM
The GOP's gonna rise up on a tidal wave of angry economic populism using their platform of less corporate regulation and lower taxes on the wealthy?  That's the plan?  Really?

This is the real problem for Republicans. As long as the GOP is ideologically trapped like they are now, they have no room to maneuver for political advantage.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2009, 01:25:09 AM
Same reason they couldn't make hay with Schumer protecting the hedge fund loophole a couple years back.  Ditto the Tories never making Tony Blair pay for the war in Iraq.

When your opposition is unpopular because they're too much like you, how do you turn that to your advantage?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 01:41:34 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 18, 2009, 10:55:32 PM
Net of at least four seats in the Senate in 2010.  Book it.  House could go either way, but probably won't go more than 10 seats in either direction.  Senate elections in 2010 are BAD for the GOP.  Open seat in Florida, open seat in Ohio, open seat in New Hampshire, etc etc.

Four?

Damn dude. Its a bet. We have enough time to determine what's at stake.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2009, 02:14:51 AM
Reading backwards in thread...

Looking like Dodd weakened the compensation limits at the behest of Treasury (read: Tim and Larry), who later repaid him by trying to scapegoat him after it became a big deal.

Maybe he shoulda made a stand against it, but it seems he wasn't the driving force.

Everyone who said Larry Summers sucks is looking smarter every day now.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 02:48:24 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON (CNN) – Duke basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski isn't thrilled his team got snubbed by the leader of the free world.

"Somebody said that we're not in President Obama's Final Four, and as much as I respect what he's doing, really, the economy is something that he should focus on, probably more than the brackets," Krzyzewski told a reporter from the Associated Press on Wednesday.
oh god  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2009, 03:43:53 AM
Duke will get fucking lucky to make it past the sweet 16, wtf.

Duke, keep to being overrated at basketball.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
That's right, Chris Dodd is fucking saint. He would never be corrupted, only duped and backstabbed.  But that dirty, libertarian-sympathiser Summers is downright evil.

http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=4230


Term limits would have prevented Chris Dodd from protecting his own interests. That's the only solution to prevent this from happening in the future.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 06:08:08 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
That's right, Chris Dodd is fucking saint. He would never be corrupted, only duped and backstabbed.  But that dirty, libertarian-sympathiser Summers is downright evil.

http://www.newhavenadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=4230


Term limits would have prevented Chris Dodd from protecting his own interests. That's the only solution to prevent this from happening in the future.


You're right.  Term limits will also prevent John McCain from wasting more of America's time whining about earmarks.  He's like a kid that had dirt kicked on him at recess and whines about it all fucking year.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 06:13:12 AM
That's exactly my point. You and I could go back and forth all night with names of crooked/useless/hypocritical politicians from both sides of the aisle and the one thing they would share in common is length of service.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 06:21:42 AM
Tom McClintock
Eric Cantor
etc etc

Honestly, too, I kind of value having to deal with the idiots that your side sends to Washington.  If they had to cycle through fresh blood on a more regular basis then pretty soon we'd see actual Club for Growthers going to DC, and if you think elected GOP representatives are embarrassing now, hoo boy.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 06:31:27 AM
What's wrong with Eric Cantor?! You're going to compare him to lifers like Stevens, Rangel, Rostenkowski and Delay? Those are the people I am talking about .. people with real power and abused it accordingly.

You sure take to the kool-aid quick.



Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 06:37:17 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 06:31:27 AM
What's wrong with Eric Cantor?! You're going to compare him to lifers like Stevens, Rangel, Rostenkowski and Delay? Those are the people I am talking about .. people with real power and abused it accordingly.

You sure take to the kool-aid quick.

Eric Cantor is an idiot, is what's wrong with him.  Although in the trench warfare that the House has become, pretty much everybody over there (on either side) is an idiot.

As for the idiots who have been there for forever, while I don't like 'em and wouldn't necessarily miss them, at least they're pragmatic in their dealings.  Having a whole bunch of fresh faced, dogmatic neophytes running things on either side would lead to a disastrophe of epic proportions pretty quickly, methinks.  I find that living under the threat of physical violence inspires a certain, shall we say, levelheadedness in dealings that I fine admirable.

All of this can be taken care of, incidentally, if we accepted my proposal for a new cabinet department- The Department of Common Sense and Quality Control.  It would employ people to go around and savagely beat stupid people working for the federal govt. on any level with tire irons.  Living under the threat of physical violence for doing stupid things (whether it's having a cow over what amounts to 2% of a bill or being a sleazebucket like Charlie Rangel) would probably curb a lot of those behaviors.  And if it didn't (and I'm pretty sure McCain is stupid/stubborn enough not to take the hint) then it would be pretty hilarious to see these idiots on the floor of their respective houses in slings and casts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 09:22:12 AM
Wait sd doesn't think dems can pick up 4 in 2010?

Here is how I see it:

PA:
100% going to switch. Specter only beat Toomey by 2% in 2004 and he is way less popular amongst Republicans today than he was then. And unlike CT, you can't switch to run as a independent after running in the republican/democrat race. Either he will go down in the primaries or he'll switch to a democrat (which ed rendell and joe biden are apparently trying to pressure him to do). Either way PA will have a democrat senator.

Not even you sd can think Toomey is electable.

NH:
A very blue state now with a open seat after its current Republican shamed himself. And Paul Hodes a very popular democrat in the state is running and early polling shows him having massive leads over any potential Republican.


So there is 2.

MO:
Another republican retirement, although not a blue state the extremely popular democrat sec. of state Robin Carnahan, who comes from a extremely popular family of politicians in the state is running and is considered to be the front runner against any potential Republican.

So 3!


Ohio:
Another open seat!

Lee Fisher and Jennifer Brunner are the main democrat contendors. While Rob Portman is for Republicans. Republican leadership loves Portman but not Ohio. Polling has both Fisher and Brunner waaay ahead of Portman. Portman's ties to working in the Bush administration are considered toxic and both Fisher and Brunner are already constantly bringing up.


FOUR!


Lets go for five shall we?

Florida:
Another open seat republicans are abandoning. A seat that Jeb Bush chickened out of running for because he feared losing and he was the only potential electable republican. After Bush ran away basically every single big name florida democrat jumped in because it is seen as whoever wins the primary will get that seat.


Five sir. And these are just the 5 I see as locks. That isn't bringing up others where they may have a shot.

Like Kentucky, where Bunning the Republican is completely self-destructing and refusing to quit despite being a terrible fundraiser and very unpopular despite the party openingly trying to get rid of him.

The only single potential democrat that could be at threat is Dodd, that's it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
The 2008 election has gone to your head.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 11:54:41 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
The 2008 election has gone to your head.
So polling, open seats in blue states, and popularity of respective candidates = gone to my head? Come on man, you really think someone like Toomey will win in PA? Or ANY republican in New Hampshire?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Did 2008 go to the Washington Post's head? He is an article from a week ago. About the top 10 senate seats most likely to switch parties in 2010.

All the spots from 1-7 are held by Republicans:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/friday_senate_line_the_importa.html

Or how about fivethirtyeights chart from this month of seats most  likely to switch? Their top 6 most likely to change are all Republican.  They predicted every single senate seat right in 2008 after all:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/senate-rankings-march-2009-edition.html

ALL my predictions I made there were based on sources, poll numbers, popularity of certain candidates...etc. Not "2008 going to my head". I can find you more research if you care, but you seem to be basing your 2010 guesses on pure ideology and dislike of democrat control, not logic.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 12:22:28 PM
SD is obviously trolling
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 12:35:07 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20090319/capt.photo_1237454410973-1-0.jpg?x=400&y=260&q=85&sig=e.yb29ZuVZ1qg_aNOUx73g--)


I see you masturbating, Poligaf.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
How come cheebs is now using 'democrat' like Republicans do?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 01:09:03 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
How come cheebs is now using 'democrat' like Republicans do?
Because I really don't care enough to use the proper term. I never got the faux-outrage over using "democrat" over "democratic" anyway.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Not "2008 going to my head". I can find you more research if you care, but you seem to be basing your 2010 guesses on pure ideology and dislike of democrat control, not logic.

You can handicap the races right now all you want. But, its not going to change the economy still in the shitter next year and we'll probably be on stimulus II or III. You think that's going to be a healthy environment for Democrats?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 01:28:13 PM
And what will the republican alternative be? Are they going to have a specific platform for 2010 outside of more tax cuts? At least in 2006 the democrats had a list of demands (Iraq, corruption, etc).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2009, 01:30:23 PM
I was going to do a :smug SD jokepost about Stimulus II, now I wish I had
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 01:52:42 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
Not "2008 going to my head". I can find you more research if you care, but you seem to be basing your 2010 guesses on pure ideology and dislike of democrat control, not logic.

You can handicap the races right now all you want. But, its not going to change the economy still in the shitter next year and we'll probably be on stimulus II or III. You think that's going to be a healthy environment for Democrats?

And you think the republican party is in shape to take advantage of that? They are in shambles. As Triumph said before a incompetent opposition can't win even when the other side screws up and does unpopular things (like in the UK as he said).

Look at the candidates the republicans have lined up for most of these open seats. They are unelectable messes. Most of their good candidates are retiring, thats why you see so many open states. And any alternatives tend to be refusing to run ala Jeb Bush.

The Republicans don't have anyone to take advantage and they have MANY more seats to guard than Democrats, tons of which are open seats in blue states. The logistics are just totally against them.

Honestly, show me a way Republicans can gain seats in 2010. How in the world can they hold on to PA, Florida or Ohio when they have terrible candidates  left over? What democrats are even vulnerable other than dodd? You have no way to back up your claims.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 02:02:20 PM
SD, you honestly think these guys are on their way out of the wilderness?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/03/19/1843705.aspx
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 02:07:28 PM
I understand your economy argument sd but it is soooo narrow-minded. It isn't that simple. A party has to take advantage of a failure of the other side, and they are right now incapable of doing so. Who is their leader? What is their message? What policy ideas do they have that are NEW? You need these things.

Plus Republicans have far more seats to defend, far more open seats, and most of their potential top tier candidates are refusing to run.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
All you need to do is start anti-incumbent rhetoric at the grass-roots level. "Throw the bums out" works, but you need good leadership to pull it off.


Oh, hey look .. someone is already doing it:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91398
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 02:32:12 PM
Now you're really trolling  :lol

patriots  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 02:37:45 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
All you need to do is start anti-incumbent rhetoric at the grass-roots level. "Throw the bums out" works, but you need good leadership to pull it off.

How does that work when Republicans have far more "bums" to defend than democrats in 2010? The 2010 election is the 2004 cycle.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 02:44:41 PM
Precision strikes, Cheebs. Commando style.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 02:49:51 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 11:40:47 AM
The 2008 election has gone to your head.

And the 2006 election.  And the fact that Republicans are currently led by a fat drug addict that likes the AIG bonuses and thinks that conservativism doesn't need to change at all for the Republicans to win again- people will magically decide that supply side economics, less regulation and the foreign policy record of the Bush Administration are preferable to whatever the dems are peddling.

Yeah, I see no reason to be bullish on the 2010 Senate elections.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 19, 2009, 02:50:51 PM
At least those tea parties are just showing you who the crazy people are in your community.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Come join me on April 15th in Akron Ohio. I'll be wearing my powdered wig and colonial leggings.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2009, 03:22:25 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
Come join me on April 15th in Akron Ohio. I'll be wearing my powdered wig and colonial leggings.




Oh yeah, you're around my area.  They had one of those both in Akron and in Columbus.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 03:43:33 PM
Oh, they already did? I was just making it up. I noticed one being advertised when I was looking for upcoming events in the Cleveland/Akron area for March/April.
Title: YOU have cognitive dissonance, *I* am uniquely objective in my analysis
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2009, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 04:14:00 AM
That's right, Chris Dodd is fucking saint. He would never be corrupted, only duped and backstabbed.  But that dirty, libertarian-sympathiser Summers is downright evil.

Chill, dude.  Nobody's saying Dodd's living a life of monastic self-denial, just that in this case the impetus came from the White House.

I'd consider it a personal favor if you'd cut out these posts where you accuse everyone to your left of hero worship and "drinking the Kool Aid".  Accusations of bad faith are so gaming forum.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 04:12:23 PM
Quote
With new estimates due Friday from the Congressional Budget Office, the White House is being warned to expect a grim set of deficit projections, adding well over $1 trillion on top of the red ink already conceded in President Barack Obama’s 10-year spending plan.

Refusing to be swayed by the numbers, top aides to the president met Wednesday evening in the Capitol with House Democratic allies on moving the plan ahead, including an effort to use expedited budget procedures to advance Obama’s healthcare initiative past Senate filibuster threats.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20203.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20203.html)

Yes please. More democrats. Maybe with more we can add another $3 trillion to the debt. Heck, why stop there? How about another $10 trillion. How about we just say nothing costs anything and throw in a 90% tax on stuff that was thrown in a bill that nobody had a chance to read because it was finished 24 hours before it was voted on and was 1100 pages long?

And remember - its all FREE. Tax cuts for 95% of America!!! Yes we can!!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 04:16:56 PM
So you're saying we should raise taxes?  Cause to me it sounds like you're saying we should raise taxes.  But that can't be the case, cause you'd get your R club card pulled if you did that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
I'd be happy if Obama just dropped the 95% charade.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 04:43:44 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
I'd be happy if Obama just dropped the 95% charade.
He brought up the 95% line at his town hall last night lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 06:08:40 PM
I knew it! The DVDs were the wrong format.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2009, 06:34:56 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
I'd be happy if Obama just dropped the 95% charade.

Don't lie.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 06:50:24 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 06:08:40 PM
I knew it! The DVDs were the wrong format.  :lol
Who cares, Gordon Brown is so boring. I want to fall asleep looking at him.

His conservative alternative actually seems kind of cool. He likes Lily Allen.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 19, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 19, 2009, 06:08:40 PM
I knew it! The DVDs were the wrong format.  :lol

yeah, i think everyone knew that was coming.

i guess no one wants obama or hillary in this year's secret santa
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 08:45:13 PM
Coach K redeemed
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200903190004?show=1

context context context
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 19, 2009, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2009, 08:45:13 PM
Coach K redeemed
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200903190004?show=1

context context context

I was going to say that even Coach K would have a hard time not being an Obama fan in Durham. The entire city is composed of african americans and liberals who hate the Raleigh/Cary suburbs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 09:57:38 PM
Oops...Obama made a joke about the special olympics on leno.  :lol Rough transcript apparently:

Leno: So have you been practicing your bowling game lately?
Obama: Yeah, I have been using the white house bowling arena, I recently got a 129.
Leno: 129? That's not that bad.
Obama: Yeah, for the special olympics!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
 :-\

Just what he needs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 19, 2009, 10:05:50 PM
:-\

Just what he needs.
I had Keith Olbermann on in the background and he said he was there during the interview and the remark caught his attention and he read the transcript of it. He seemed to think he is probably going to have to apologize for it after it goes on the air.

Oh Obama... :lol Honestly its a nonsense remark, people make jokes about that stuff all the time but he is president so there you go.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2009, 10:08:54 PM
OBAMA: INSENSITIVE TO THE WORKING MAN, INSENSITIVE TO THE MENTALLY CHALLENGED

PALIN '12

But really though, why does he have to go off on stupid tangents like that?  I don't have any problems with him going on a late night show, but man, he's just going to get a massive amount of shit for that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on March 19, 2009, 10:11:47 PM
Man, what a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 19, 2009, 10:21:56 PM
Next we'll find out he has an account on sohh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2009, 11:01:20 PM
Obama should do what white people do when they say racists things.

"I have many distinguished mentally-challenged friends"

"Look at my wife, she's 1/8 mongloid!"


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 19, 2009, 11:35:03 PM
The special olympic comment is already a headline at the politico and it hasn't even aired yet.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 11:45:37 PM
Oh lawd, well at least we now have a Pres who can make fun of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows as opposed to one who... well, you know.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 19, 2009, 11:53:08 PM
Can't wait to see Morning Joe tomorrow. :lol

Obama just gave the GOP all the ammunition they need for awhile.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2009, 11:55:03 PM
Quote from: Willco on March 19, 2009, 11:53:08 PM
Can't wait to see Morning Joe tomorrow. :lol

Obama just gave the GOP all the ammunition they need for awhile.

I expect to see Sarah Palin's distinguished mentally-challenged Baby front and center.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 19, 2009, 11:57:40 PM
"President Obama, The website specialolympics.com features a picture with the caption 'BE A FAN OF DIGNITY'. Do you hate dignity, Mr. President?"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 12:04:46 AM
OMG I wasn't gonna watch Leno. But, now I almost have to. I wonder how the crowd reacted?

The righty blogs are absolutely mauling him. Good times.

And you know what's funny? At his town hall today the first question he took was from a disabled man in a wheelchair who asked him what he was going to do about getting more disabled people into the workforce. The dude said something like "THANK GAWD FOR YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 20, 2009, 12:06:25 AM
Leno ruins yet another career.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 20, 2009, 12:07:42 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 19, 2009, 11:55:03 PM
Quote from: Willco on March 19, 2009, 11:53:08 PM
Can't wait to see Morning Joe tomorrow. :lol

Obama just gave the GOP all the ammunition they need for awhile.

I expect to see Sarah Palin's distinguished mentally-challenged Baby front and center.
Ohh I forgot about that..yeah Obama *smh*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2009, 12:12:24 AM
If the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow faction had a voice in modern politics, I would have worried.

Unless you have never joked about your shortcomings as a possible shot at the "special Olympics", I'd be surprised.

smh
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 12:13:09 AM
Oh well, that's probably a 5 point dip in the polls.

I would be worried if the opposition wasn't looking to geniuses like this for leadership:

[youtube=560,345]pL2EaipQJ1c[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL2EaipQJ1c
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 12:25:29 AM
Didn't think about this, but I wouldn't put it past NBC to edit that part out.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 12:39:02 AM
McCain would not have made this mistake. Palin is now the front runner due to this special ed quip

fuck, how does this fuck up impact 2010?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 12:25:29 AM
Didn't think about this, but I wouldn't put it past NBC to edit that part out.

::)  NBC isn't MSNBC, you know.

PD- oh fuck please tell me you're trying to concern troll and aren't serious.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 12:44:14 AM
Get your dicks out. Time to start stroking.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 12:54:06 AM
Maybe this gaffe will keep Obama off these degrading shows like Leno and ESPN Sportscenter. It's kind of demeaning to the office that he goes on them anyways.

Maybe he's up for an appearance at "Idol Gives Back" this year? He certainly needs the exposure.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 12:57:27 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 12:54:06 AM
Maybe this gaffe will keep Obama off these degrading shows like Leno and ESPN Sportscenter. It's kind of demeaning to the office that he goes on them anyways.

Maybe he's up for an appearance at "Idol Gives Back" this year? He certainly needs the exposure.

Oh lawd, this shit?  Really?  Does it also demean the office when he doesn't enforce a jacket and tie dress code in the Oval Office? 

You know, I think WHAT YOU DO while you're POTUS demeans the office a little bit more than showing up on fucking Leno.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 20, 2009, 12:58:24 AM
Why is it demeaning at all?  It shows the guy can connect to what all and most Americans enjoy and watch.  It's more demeaning to act like a upper-echelon, untouchable person.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:14:39 AM
Heckuva job Timmy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 20, 2009, 01:15:15 AM
Obama doing well so far, and you keep posting shit like that.  Mhm.

Obama can't publicly say that Geithner isn't doing well, what kind of image does that present?  Secretly he's probably pretty annoyed by him.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:43:07 AM
You couldn't hear him very well. So, this probably won't be as bad as it could have been.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 01:55:26 AM
I think he may get impeached.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 02:04:56 AM
To anyone who thinks going on ESPN/Leno is demeaning need I remind you:

Bush went on DEAL OR NO DEAL. Come on.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 02:13:08 AM
He was looking for WMD's in those suitcases.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 20, 2009, 02:14:35 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 04:39:54 AM
I'm bummed. I suppose it's good that such a monstrous fuck up open up the Friday news cycle instead of say...Monday, but this is a disaster. AIG+this= :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: cool breeze on March 20, 2009, 05:00:50 AM
I thought the comment was because Jay was clapping at his poor score even though it really wasn't good for the average person; not directly linking poor sports performance to the special Olympics.  The difference is the capability of doing an action versus the reception towards it from others.
 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 05:18:25 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/19/lawrence-odonnell-reduces_n_176886.html

Annihilated
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
That comment about the special Olympics is such a non event. SMH
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 10:57:36 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 20, 2009, 10:11:02 AM
That comment about the special Olympics is such a non event. SMH

Media was getting bored of AIG, they needed a new story for today and this seems to be it.

This is just as stupid as that lipstick on the pig nonsense but whatever.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 11:01:41 AM
Doesn't the President do a photo op with the Special Olympics every year (I know Maria Shriver is heavily involved)? That will be awkward.


Obama doesn't care about distinguished mentally-challenged people.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 11:37:50 AM
The guy who runs the special Olympics got a call from Obama apologizing and the guy seemed to think Obama was the greatest thing ever so I dunno.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 11:46:45 AM
Quote
According to a quick scan of Google results, one well-known Special Olympian, Loretta Claiborne, reportedly bowled a high of 178 in 1995. Rachel Register of Virginia bowled a 212 in 2006. Team Kentucky's top bowler, Keith Cotrell,  boasts a 150 average.

Tim Shriver also noted on GMA this morning that a Detroit Special Olympian has bowled three perfect games.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/Obamas_129.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/Obamas_129.html)


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 12:16:51 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 11:46:45 AM
Quote
According to a quick scan of Google results, one well-known Special Olympian, Loretta Claiborne, reportedly bowled a high of 178 in 1995. Rachel Register of Virginia bowled a 212 in 2006. Team Kentucky's top bowler, Keith Cotrell,  boasts a 150 average.

Tim Shriver also noted on GMA this morning that a Detroit Special Olympian has bowled three perfect games.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/Obamas_129.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/Obamas_129.html)



who cares
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 12:24:48 PM
All the work we did, wasted on Leno. Maybe he does have too much on his hands/mind  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 12:31:46 PM
wtf pd, what does making a bad joke have to do with doing too much at once?

This is just the start of his media blitz. He is on Air America today doing a interview for them and then on ABC sunday night, then a prime time press conference on tuesday.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 12:33:32 PM
Why are you being such a slacky, we both are political minds. You have to see this is an atom bomb of a problem. Palin is ready to pounce oh god  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 12:37:05 PM
New CBO deficit numbers:

FY09 $1.8T
FY10 $1.4T (double previous estimate)

Tax cuts for 95% of Americans!!!


(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/debtstar.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 12:40:11 PM
Call me when he actually breaks his promise and taxes the lower income brackets. Because yesterday he was still bringing up the line, he wouldn't do that if he was told he'd have to go against that soon.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:29:46 PM
Quote
The Administration's long-awaited plan to save America's banks is being delayed again, government sources tell Time. Fears of an AIG-like backlash among potential private investors, and the difficulty of creating a model to price toxic assets on the banks' balance sheets, have both contributed to the delay, the sources say.

The slip is embarrassing for Treasury officials who have been assuring the media and the markets that the plan was coming, first in mid-February, and as recently as March 14 when Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told Bloomberg TV he would release details soon. A senior Treasury department official says the plan isn't slipping, but other government officials say it is and could be unveiled anywhere from next week to early April.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1886729,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1886729,00.html)

Yet, he's got time to fill out his basketball bracket and go on Jay Leno. And here I thought this was the greatest financial crisis in the history of the solar system. Catastrophe, etc.  :maf
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 01:37:52 PM
I don't know what's cuter- PD pretending to freak out over the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow thing or sd suddenly remembering that he isn't supposed to like budget deficits.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 20, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 01:37:52 PM
I don't know what's cuter- PD pretending to freak out over the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow thing or sd suddenly remembering that he isn't supposed to like budget deficits.

I know, right?  :lol

SD, are you honestly bitching about him filling out a bracket?  Fucking seriously?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:44:40 PM
Dude, I've always hated deficits. Second reason why I didn't vote for McCain.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2009, 01:48:39 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:29:46 PM

Yet, he's got time to fill out his basketball bracket

he picked almost all number one seeds, so it's not like he thought about it

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 20, 2009, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:29:46 PM
Yet, he's got time to fill out his basketball bracket and go on Jay Leno. And here I thought this was the greatest financial crisis in the history of the solar system. Catastrophe, etc. 

The problem isn't that Obama's too busy dicking around, it's that Summers and Geithner are stubbornly trying to find a way to repackage Paulson's shitty plan of buying toxic assets from big banks at inflated values in a way that they can get past public scrutiny, and each new permutation of their idea runs into the same problems.

Those two shitburgers need the boot.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 20, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
Is this an issue? Are those that decry "political correctness" feigning outrage?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 20, 2009, 02:19:57 PM
Quote from: Malek on March 20, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
Are those that decry "political correctness" feigning outrage?

duh. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 01:44:40 PM
Dude, I've always hated deficits. Second reason why I didn't vote for McCain.

I'm about 99.44% sure that you voted for W. in 2004, so I find your insistence that you "always" hated deficits kind of laughable.  If it's that important to you that you're having a cow about it during a severe, severe recession where the govt. actually NEEDS to run deficits then I would suggest that you go sit in the mooncalf section with FoC and Beardo.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 01:37:52 PM
I don't know what's cuter- PD pretending to freak out over the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow thing or sd suddenly remembering that he isn't supposed to like budget deficits.

I got you initially
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 01:37:52 PM
I don't know what's cuter- PD pretending to freak out over the distinguished mentally-challenged fellow thing or sd suddenly remembering that he isn't supposed to like budget deficits.

I got you initially

Only because my default state re: you is to WANT to yell at you.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2009, 02:42:16 PM
http://store.barackobama.com/Runway_To_Change_s/1034.htm

ha ha ha ha

omfg.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
I read that Bush took a week long vacation at his ranch already at this point in his first term, how come republicans were ok with that but Obama can't dick around in LA for 2 days?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
I read that Bush took a week long vacation at his ranch already at this point in his first term, how come republicans were ok with that but Obama can't dick around in LA for 2 days?

Honestly, at this point in his first term not much was going on.  While I think they're being obnoxious tards for whining about it, you're being an absurd cheerleading fanboy for trying to compare the two.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
I read that Bush took a week long vacation at his ranch already at this point in his first term, how come republicans were ok with that but Obama can't dick around in LA for 2 days?

Honestly, at this point in his first term not much was going on.  While I think they're being obnoxious tards for whining about it, you're being an absurd cheerleading fanboy for trying to compare the two.
He has gotten a shitload done in 60 days and is about to pass a massive budget, its not like Obama isn't working at breakneck speed here.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 02:21:20 PM
I'm about 99.44% sure that you voted for W. in 2004, so I find your insistence that you "always" hated deficits kind of laughable.

Touche...

But, W's deficits were at most 3% of GDP. Not acceptable, but not horrible. I've always maintained he should have had some kind of trigger mechanism with the tax cuts that would have prevented the deficits from getting as big as they did - especially after 9/11. And don't even get me started on the Medicare PDB. Obama is like Bush on winstrall though. He's gonna make him look like the ultimate fiscal conservative in a couple years. If I could go back to 2004, then I would similarly vote 3rd party. That's a mistake I'll never make again.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 03:10:57 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 20, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
I read that Bush took a week long vacation at his ranch already at this point in his first term, how come republicans were ok with that but Obama can't dick around in LA for 2 days?

Honestly, at this point in his first term not much was going on.  While I think they're being obnoxious tards for whining about it, you're being an absurd cheerleading fanboy for trying to compare the two.

He has gotten a shitload done in 60 days and is about to pass a massive budget, its not like Obama isn't working at breakneck speed here.

Jesus, are you really that DENSE?  I'm not talking about that.  I'm saying that it's DISINGENUOUS to compare taking a week long vacation during your first term when there's not a MAJOR, 2G2D RECESSION going on to Obama going west for a couple of days.  Trust me, I like making Republicans look bad as much as anyone, but you're just reaching here.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2009, 03:16:56 PM
It's fitting that Fox news is running with the SO thing seeing that there viewers are only 1 or 2 IQ points away from being eligible to compete in the special olympics.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 02:21:20 PM
I'm about 99.44% sure that you voted for W. in 2004, so I find your insistence that you "always" hated deficits kind of laughable.

Touche...

But, W's deficits were at most 3% of GDP. Not acceptable, but not horrible. I've always maintained he should have had some kind of trigger mechanism with the tax cuts that would have prevented the deficits from getting as big as they did - especially after 9/11. And don't even get me started on the Medicare PDB. Obama is like Bush on winstrall though. He's gonna make him look like the ultimate fiscal conservative in a couple years. If I could go back to 2004, then I would similarly vote 3rd party. That's a mistake I'll never make again.

Again, you're smarter than this... or I had hoped you were.  W's books were cooked by not including the cost of the wars- that just magically showed up in the "debt" column at the end of the year to make the budgets look relatively sane. 

And I still fail to see what the big fuckin' deal of running hefty deficits during a severe recession is.  Then again, I likewise failed to see what was so terrible about the surpluses we were supposed to have at the beginning of the decade that necessitated the dumbest tax cut in history.  If deficits are so terrible, wouldn't it be prudent to build up a nice kitty during good times in case we needed it during the bad times?  But no!  Taxes are always evil and must always be cut.  Do you see why it's hard for me to take you guys seriously?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 03:22:41 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 20, 2009, 03:16:56 PM
It's fitting that Fox news is running with the SO thing seeing that there viewers are only 1 or 2 IQ points away from being eligable to compete in the special olympics.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/obama-biden-worried_tbi.jpg)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 20, 2009, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 20, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
And I still fail to see what the big fuckin' deal of running hefty deficits during a severe recession is.

Come on now. There's an obvious difference between running deficits during a recession and running an average deficit of over $870B for the next 10 years.

(That's actually probably much higher with the $1.6T extra they're projecting now. Divide that by 10, add it to the $870B previously projected, and its ~$1.03T per year.)

We're probably a lot closer on this than you give me credit for.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
Oh no, I'm as imperfect as Obama.

/cuts wrist
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 03:48:47 PM
A great quip after that Special Olympics gaffe would have been to say, "Joe Biden told me to say that".


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2009, 03:58:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 03:48:47 PM
A great quip after that Special Olympics gaffe would have been to say, "Joe Biden told me to say that".

:lol

I think that one of the great unintended pluses of the Obama presidency, no matter how long it lasts, will be the Biden Gaffe File.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 20, 2009, 09:42:05 PM
Johnny Mac is getting all mavericky again ...


Quote
McCain speaks up for Geithner

Tim Geithner, the embattled US Treasury secretary, should be given a chance to succeed, says John McCain, the former presidential candidate, who is the first prominent Republican to speak up in Mr Geithner’s defence amid growing calls for his resignation.

Speaking to the Financial Times, Mr McCain said that the “perfect storm” over AIG “has been as explosive in a short period of time as anything I have seen”.


Mr McCain, who was one of the few Republican senators to vote in favour of Mr Geithner’s nomination after revelations of tax arrears, was speaking at the end of a week in which the Republican Party has targeted Mr Geithner amid mounting public anger over Wall Street bonuses.

“Everyone acknowledges he needs help,” said Mr McCain, in reference to the Obama administration’s difficulty in recruiting nominees to the Treasury department, where Mr Geithner remains the only official to have been confirmed.

Mr McCain also distanced himself from Republican “righteous indignation” over Mr Obama’s budget tactics. Many of Mr McCain’s colleagues fear Mr Obama will use the congressional “reconciliation” process, which enables the majority to circumvent an opposition filibuster, to smuggle through healthcare reforms and energy cap and trade in the budget.

Mr McCain said that a congressional short-cut could be employed by the administration that had been devised by Republicans and used by George W. Bush to push through tax cuts. “Republicans invented this,” he said. “I don’t like it but there are chickens coming home to roost.”
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2009, 10:10:14 PM
your right wing crazy for the day

[youtube=560,345]jqALdkTArqs[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2009, 10:15:08 PM
HEAR MY COMPOSITE SELF FOR THE PHARAOH ZEUS!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2009, 10:23:33 PM
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/03/20/megyn_kelly_melts_down_over_acorn.php
(skip the write-up and watch the video at the bottom)

jesus fucking christ
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
It's too bad a chick that hot  is made so ugly by her brain.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Robo on March 20, 2009, 11:08:05 PM
Quote
Our first distinguished black fellow - he with game!  (Thank you Satan!) ...SHNEERSH, distinguished black fellow game!  But I is honest!

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 21, 2009, 01:39:08 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3031317

glass houses, stones, etc
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 21, 2009, 01:47:31 PM
mmmm, nappy-headed hos
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 21, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
i laughed at the special olympics joke, btw

and the nappy-headed hos joke

it is my policy to laugh at and mock everyone i do not see in my bathroom mirror when i occasionally shave

what america needs is more cruel humor
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2009, 01:52:51 PM
Agreed, just not from the president of the United States

spoiler (click to show/hide)
although I definitely lol'd, and would give Obama a high five
[close]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 21, 2009, 01:57:53 PM
i liked that you could hear people in the audience murmuring after the laffs

"HAHAHAHAHAHA....uhiamisupposedtolaughatthisidontknow...."

that made me laugh even harder
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 21, 2009, 02:12:20 PM
Obama told a off-color joke, it actually makes me like him a bit more. Humanizes him a bit. Perfect pc-type politicians are boring. Probably why I have always been a fan of Biden for years now, he is NEVER PC.

Probably why I loved it when earlier this week Biden sarcastically told someone "fuck you!" when they called him Mr. Vice-President instead of just Joe.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
Obama struggles with jokes lol. I bet he has a long history of this stuff

Wright: what's that dirt on your forehead?
Ayers: it's Ash Wednesday...
Obama: lol sort of like a Holocaust remembrance type thing?
Ayers: ....
Wright: god damn..
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 21, 2009, 02:17:41 PM
most precious and unique people?  lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 21, 2009, 02:18:14 PM
I have read before that Obama in private is pretty off-color in how he talks. He swears constantly apparently.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 21, 2009, 02:23:16 PM
he's a giant fucking hypocrite, though
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 21, 2009, 02:42:42 PM
I dunno about the blowjobs. Based on his autobiography he was no Bill Clinton in his younger days. He didn't seem to have any luck with women in college and was pretty much a loner who stayed in his apartment reading books and smoking weed. I got the impression from his biography that Michelle was his real first serious gal pal, unlike Bill Clinton's autobiography where I lost track of all the girlfriends he talked about lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 03:21:22 PM
pr- you're forgetting about distinguished mentally-challenged fellow strength

Also, lol @ Palin getting outraged about a joke and turning down money for special ed kids from the stimulus.  Can't make this shit up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
They're too special for government money
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 21, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
Krugman rips the administration's bank plan from limb to limb, drops it in a vat of acid, and then shits on the remains:

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The Geithner plan has now been leaked in detail. It’s exactly the plan that was widely analyzed — and found wanting — a couple of weeks ago. The zombie ideas have won.

The Obama administration is now completely wedded to the idea that there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with the financial system — that what we’re facing is the equivalent of a run on an essentially sound bank. As Tim Duy put it, there are no bad assets, only misunderstood assets. And if we get investors to understand that toxic waste is really, truly worth much more than anyone is willing to pay for it, all our problems will be solved.

To this end the plan proposes to create funds in which private investors put in a small amount of their own money, and in return get large, non-recourse loans from the taxpayer, with which to buy bad — I mean misunderstood — assets. This is supposed to lead to fair prices because the funds will engage in competitive bidding.

But it’s immediately obvious, if you think about it, that these funds will have skewed incentives. In effect, Treasury will be creating — deliberately! — the functional equivalent of Texas S&Ls in the 1980s: financial operations with very little capital but lots of government-guaranteed liabilities. For the private investors, this is an open invitation to play heads I win, tails the taxpayers lose. So sure, these investors will be ready to pay high prices for toxic waste. After all, the stuff might be worth something; and if it isn’t, that’s someone else’s problem.

Or to put it another way, Treasury has decided that what we have is nothing but a confidence problem, which it proposes to cure by creating massive moral hazard.

This plan will produce big gains for banks that didn’t actually need any help; it will, however, do little to reassure the public about banks that are seriously undercapitalized. And I fear that when the plan fails, as it almost surely will, the administration will have shot its bolt: it won’t be able to come back to Congress for a plan that might actually work.

What an awful mess.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/despair-over-financial-policy/?scp=1&sq=The%20Geithner%20plan%20has%20now%20been%20leaked%20in%20detail.&st=cse (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/despair-over-financial-policy/?scp=1&sq=The%20Geithner%20plan%20has%20now%20been%20leaked%20in%20detail.&st=cse)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Not that I don't agree with Krugman, Stiglitz, etc but I have to ask you sd- if tomorrow Obama fired Geithner and Summers and hired Krugman and Stiglitz, would you back their more activist plan?  Would you decry the "interference of the govt. in the private sector"?  Somehow I think you would.

What boggles my mind is that this is the type of plan a Republican administration would have come up with.  Sigh.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 21, 2009, 04:28:34 PM
Summers and Geithner need to GTFO.  I'm tired of their uselessness.

Krugman and Stiglitz would be awesome replacements or at least Stiglitz anyway.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 05:48:53 PM
I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFUCKIN' RUBINITES IN MY MOTHERFUCKING GOVT!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 21, 2009, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 21, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
sd- if tomorrow Obama fired Geithner and Summers and hired Krugman and Stiglitz, would you back their more activist plan?

Not sure who Stiglitz is, but I think Krugman knows what he's talking about. Same with Roubini.

And same with Lindsey Graham and Richard Shelby.  :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 21, 2009, 06:19:13 PM
I'm a fan of Stiglitz's work.  He was pretty critical of Summers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2009, 06:23:44 PM
Here's an article by Stiglitz on a bank plan that would work:  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090323/stiglitz

Plus he was fired by the World Bank for criticizing it's policies, so you know he's good!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 22, 2009, 02:26:06 AM
God, Gaborn couldn't be more fucking annoying than he is in the political threads.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 22, 2009, 09:42:23 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 21, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
The problem with summers/geithner is that there isn't a serious academic to balance them out.  geithner needed a second with some serious chops. 
Isn't he basically running the whole department by himself though? All the deputy's and the like Obama wants are being held up by the Republicans in the senate. Is any of Obama's lower level treasury guys from a different school of thought than summers/geithner? If so that would help a great deal.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 22, 2009, 11:26:42 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 22, 2009, 09:42:23 AM
Isn't he basically running the whole department by himself though? All the deputy's and the like Obama wants are being held up by the Republicans in the senate.

Link?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2009, 11:32:53 AM
Actually, all of Geithner's potential deputies have had to withdraw.  It's not clear why.  One thing I do know is that none of them had the kind of resume that would lead me to think that they'd be likely to have a different viewpoint on this shit.

However, the GOP *HAS* been holding up some appointments for no apparent reason- Austan Goolsbee comes to mind off the top of my head.  He finally just got appointed.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 22, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
What happened to Paul Volcker? After the election Obama always had Volcker, Summers, and Geithner pretty much as equals as his economic trio. Did Summers and Geithner push Volker out? He seemed to have disappeared.

It's weird that Carter's guy got pushed out seeing how Jimmy Carter himself seems to be in the inner circle unlike Bill Clinton (Obama has had at least 4 lengthy meetings with Carter about foreign policy since being sworn in, and Carter was in the White House while Obama was off in California having meeting with Jim Jones. None with Clinton as far as I have seen).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 22, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 22, 2009, 11:32:53 AM
Actually, all of Geithner's potential deputies have had to withdraw. 

Yeah, that what I thought. There are appearently 17 other positions in the department and he only has nominated one or two and they withdrew.

Brokaw just said on MTP that he has heard from people on Wall Street who may be pretty qualified for the jobs and somewhat interested. But, they don't want to subject themselves to what the administration has told them could be a four month vetting process.

And that's why you don't nominate a tax cheat at the outset.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 22, 2009, 11:39:21 PM
Did anyone catch Obama on 60 minutes?

He basically said that he could accept that an investment banker would make 20 times as much as a teacher. But not 200 times as much.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 23, 2009, 12:06:37 AM
The media got a hold of that distinguished mentally-challenged kid who bowled a perfect 300 in the special olympics. He thinks Obama is cool. Republican faux-outrage annihilated.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2009, 12:10:06 AM
I'm of two minds

I really wasn't bothered by it, but part of the job description of being POTUS is to not publicly say stupid shit, so if he does, a little wrap on the knuckles is appropriate.

So much of this outrage is clearly Faux-outrage though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 23, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
He isn't perfect.

Like in the CBS 60 Minutes interview the 60 Minutes guy asked Obama if he was punch-drunk because Obama was being kinda giggly.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2009, 12:17:52 AM
Oh I agree, most that are really getting the vapors over this are those that were frustrated over Obama's communication abilities and now that he had a relatively minor gaffe, they think they smell blood and are pouncing on it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2009, 02:14:50 AM
I bowled a 125 earlier today  :lol
(on a side note, I'm still coughing due to the smoke in that damn close. good lord)

Also:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy

Obama's gonna make our debt worthless  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 23, 2009, 03:39:30 AM
The USA is headed for the addition VAT/GST of some sort in the (not so long) term, IMO. My beef is that people actually want some value for their tax dollars-better schools, roads, health care, etc. and not a worthless "war on terror".
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2009, 04:06:10 AM
Quote
"It would double the public debt in 5 years, triple it in 10 years. ... That is not sustainable. It poses a threat to the basic health of our economy," Collins said.

You're right Collins, that's why there will be more tax hikes the next few years to pay for it all. That's what you should be talking about instead.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2009, 09:26:41 AM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 23, 2009, 03:39:30 AM
The USA is headed for the addition VAT/GST of some sort in the (not so long) term, IMO. My beef is that people actually want some value for their tax dollars-better schools, roads, health care, etc. and not a worthless "war on terror".

Maybe, but there's a lot of low hanging fruit in the tax system that can be picked before we need a regressive consumption tax.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 23, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/1

:( :( :(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 23, 2009, 01:07:13 PM
wonderful.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 23, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 23, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/1
:( :( :(
Quote
In essence, Paulson used the bailout to transform the government into a giant bureaucracy of entitled assholedom

Interesting article if you're like me and have absolutely no idea how any of this happened.  It's amazing how unregulated AIG was.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 23, 2009, 01:53:27 PM
Someone expain the VAT within the context of tax cuts for 95% of Americans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2009, 02:08:50 PM
Quote
None other than disgraced senator Ted Stevens was the poor sap who made the unpleasant discovery that if Congress didn't like the Fed handing trillions of dollars to banks without any oversight, Congress could apparently go fuck itself — or so said the law. When Stevens asked the GAO about what authority Congress has to monitor the Fed, he got back a letter citing an obscure statute that nobody had ever heard of before: the Accounting and Auditing Act of 1950. The relevant section, 31 USC 714(b), dictated that congressional audits of the Federal Reserve may not include "deliberations, decisions and actions on monetary policy matters." The exemption, as Foss notes, "basically includes everything." According to the law, in other words, the Fed simply cannot be audited by Congress. Or by anyone else, for that matter.

..
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 23, 2009, 02:20:55 PM
kleptocracy go!

it's good to know that human greed fucks all ideologies equally
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2009, 02:21:19 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2009, 02:08:50 PM
Quote
None other than disgraced senator Ted Stevens was the poor sap who made the unpleasant discovery that if Congress didn't like the Fed handing trillions of dollars to banks without any oversight, Congress could apparently go fuck itself — or so said the law. When Stevens asked the GAO about what authority Congress has to monitor the Fed, he got back a letter citing an obscure statute that nobody had ever heard of before: the Accounting and Auditing Act of 1950. The relevant section, 31 USC 714(b), dictated that congressional audits of the Federal Reserve may not include "deliberations, decisions and actions on monetary policy matters." The exemption, as Foss notes, "basically includes everything." According to the law, in other words, the Fed simply cannot be audited by Congress. Or by anyone else, for that matter.

..

I don't know exactly what the answer to this problem is. It'd be nice if the Fed stayed a non-political entity, but having them be some weirdo quasi-gov't agency that remains unaccountable to gov't doesn't sit right.

Probably step No.1 is to enact a policy that if you're a Randroid, you're automatically inelligible to be Fed Chair, that seems reasonalbe.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2009, 03:48:05 PM
I still say that we have the torches and pitchfork session and worry about details afterward. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 23, 2009, 10:21:08 PM
Uh oh:

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China’s central bank on Monday proposed replacing the US dollar as the international reserve currency with a new global system controlled by the International Monetary Fund.

In an essay posted on the People’s Bank of China’s website, Zhou Xiaochuan, the central bank’s governor, said the goal would be to create a reserve currency “that is disconnected from individual nations and is able to remain stable in the long run, thus removing the inherent deficiencies caused by using credit-based national currencies”.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7851925a-17a2-11de-8c9d-0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F7851925a-17a2-11de-8c9d-0000779fd2ac.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fpajamasmedia.com%2Finstapundit%2F (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/7851925a-17a2-11de-8c9d-0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F7851925a-17a2-11de-8c9d-0000779fd2ac.html&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fpajamasmedia.com%2Finstapundit%2F)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2009, 10:24:22 PM
[youtube=560,345]KL1O01FccaA[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2009, 12:36:01 AM
Here's a headscratcher...

Quote
Huckabee likens abortion to slavery at Missouri fundraiser
By CHRIS BLANK
The Associated Press

Former Arkansas governor and Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee likened abortion to slavery in a Monday speech during a fundraiser for an anti-abortion group.

Huckabee said that when it abolished slavery, the U.S. debated and decided it was immoral for one person to have complete, life-or-death power over another. He said that should not change whether the control involves racial bigotry or a pregnant woman making a decision for her unborn child.

"What are we saying to the generation coming after us when we tell them that it is perfectly OK for one person to own another human being?" Huckabee said. "I thought we dealt with that 150 years ago when the issue of slavery was finally settled in this country, and we decided that it no longer was a political issue, it wasn't an issue of geography, it was an issue of morality. That it was either right or it was immoral that one person could own another human being and have full control even to the point of life and death over that other human being."

He said civilization cannot survive if "one group of people have life and death control over another for no particular reason other than their own conveniences and, in that case, prejudices."

The half-hour speech was the keynote address during a luncheon fundraiser for the Jefferson City-based Vitae Caring Foundation. The organization, created in 1991, sponsors advertisements across the country encouraging women to seek alternatives to abortion.

 ???
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 01:29:24 AM
Didn't a republican congressmen recently compare generational debt passing to slavery?

smh Huck. tell me a witty joke so I forget the lesser angels of your personality
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2009, 10:16:05 AM
It still amazes me how Republican leaders use religion as a tool to manipulate the minds of their followers. Slavery has been brought up a lot lately by them. Conservatives are the real slaves. Slaves to their leaders who talk to their poor and needy redneck following about how the problems in their lives are a result of the liberals while they continually vote against welfare and public programs that these people would benefit from. Slaves to the belief that their leaders actually care about them.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 12:53:44 PM
It's sort of impressive. Obviously there are liberal big shots who manipulate their supporters through alarmism/faux outrage as well, but republicans take it to an entirely different level by convincing poor folks to rabidly support policies that don't benefit them at all. Where was this "populist outrage" a few years ago when Bush was piling debt and lowering rich people's taxes? I'm serious, people act like this trillion dollar deficit occured within a few weeks
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
SD seen celebrating in street

Pa. Sen. Specter to Oppose Card Check
   
WASHINGTON -- In a setback for organized labor, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter said Tuesday he will oppose a bill that makes it easier for workers to form unions.

Specter was the only Republican to support the Employee Free Choice Act two years ago and unions were hoping he might be the crucial 60th vote needed to overcome an expected GOP filibuster of the measure when it's taken up this summer.

In a floor speech, Specter called it a "very emotional issue with labor looking to this legislation to reverse the steep decline in union membership and business expressing great concern about added costs, which would drive many companies out of business or overseas."

Specter said his vote to end debate on the bill two years ago was not support for the merits, but instead for Congress to take up the issue of labor law reform.

The bill would allow a majority of employees at a company to organize by signing cards, a change from current practice that allows employers to mandate secret ballot elections. It also would boost penalties for retaliation against workers seeking to organize and calls for arbitration if management and the union cannot agree on a first contract.
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Specter called the secret ballot "the cornerstone of how contests are decided in a Democratic society." And he said the requirement for mandatory arbitration may subject employers to a deal they cannot live with.

His decision will make it difficult for Democratic leaders to move forward with the bill, which unions consider their No. 1 priority, but some business groups have labeled "Armageddon."

Specter has faced unusually heavy pressure from both groups as he faces re-election next year.

"It is very hard to disappoint many friends who have supported me many years on either side who are urging me to vote their way," Specter said.

He also said his announcement "should end the rumor mill that I have made some deal for political advantage."

National Association of Manufacturers president John Engler praised Specter's decision.

"We are commending Sen. Specter for putting American jobs first and opposing card check legislation," Engler said.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 05:27:30 PM
Congresswoman Michelle "I really think we ought to ask certain members of Congress why they're anti-American" Bachmann is back at it.  Here she is getting her inner FoC on during Geithner and Bernanke's appearance today.

[youtube=560,345]TQRmiWuwe2Y[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQRmiWuwe2Y

Short version for people who don't have five minutes to waste:

"but but but where in the CONSTITUTION does it say you can do this stuff?"  Repeat about 3 times before Bernanke kind of reminds her that the Constitution allows Congress to pass laws and shit.

"I want you guys to pinkie swear that we're not going to some sort of crazy one world order currency like the Chinks want to do."

Then Frank yells at her when she goes over her time, which is justly deserved.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2009, 05:35:08 PM
Meant to post this, but here's (http://www.politicususa.com/en/Bachmann-Cap-And-Trade) Bachman going beyond advocating "goin' Galt" and advocating "goin' McVeigh".

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Bachmann said, “I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back. Thomas Jefferson told us ‘having a revolution every now and then is a good thing,’ and the people – we the people – are going to have to fight back hard if we’re not going to lose our country. And I think this has the potential of changing the dynamic of freedom forever in the United States.”
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 05:37:12 PM
The Dems need to find a more competent candidate to run against her next time around... preferably not someone named "Elwyn Tinklenberg" too.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 24, 2009, 06:21:25 PM
I imagine that we'll just see more politicians going GaltVeigh as we get closer to the 2010 elections.  It could be more emotional (and less certain?) than in 2008.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 24, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 24, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 24, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...
I was gonna say that but tempermentally I never had much of a problem with Paul, he's just a guy with weirdo ideas that's managed to somehow stay in congress all these years. It's his followers that are the shrieking harpies ala Bachman.

This was especially true during the primaries with Dickwad Giuliani was audibly laughing at Paul off-camera and generally being :smug x1000
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 06:28:32 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 24, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 24, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...

I was gonna say that but tempermentally I never had much of a problem with Paul, he's just a guy with weirdo ideas that's managed to somehow stay in congress all these years. It's his followers that are the shrieking harpies ala Bachman.

No, Paul is certifiably nuts.  He asked Bernanke or Geithner earlier this year about going back to the Gold standard.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 24, 2009, 06:28:32 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 24, 2009, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 24, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Forgotten Ancient on March 24, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
are there any other comparably looney members (either party)?

Let me tell you about a guy named Ron Paul...

I was gonna say that but tempermentally I never had much of a problem with Paul, he's just a guy with weirdo ideas that's managed to somehow stay in congress all these years. It's his followers that are the shrieking harpies ala Bachman.


No, Paul is certifiably nuts.  He asked Bernanke or Geithner earlier this year about going back to the Gold standard.

Oh I agree he's nuts, its just that there's a difference to being nuts and being a cunt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 24, 2009, 07:11:38 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 24, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
SD seen celebrating in street

Pa. Sen. Specter to Oppose Card Check

I would argue that Card Check as we have previously known it is DOA. Doesn't mean there won't be any "lesser" versions put forth though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 24, 2009, 07:51:14 PM
card check was always a bridge too far in this congress . it's do or die for conservatives (and liberals, probably, given 2010 is their best chance for a high water mark) for the next election though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 07:59:28 PM
Let's face it Obama is socially distinguished mentally-challenged. He doesn't know about discretion, appropriate behaviour etc especially as an elected official. Fuck that should give hope to most people on this forum.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2009, 08:16:12 PM
I think he's far from socially distinguished mentally-challenged.  You do know who was president before him, right?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 24, 2009, 08:21:37 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 23, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover/1

:( :( :(

Just read it all.

I don't really care anymore.  It seems like we're too close to the iceberg to really turn around now.  The only question now is do we freak out or do we just calmly accept it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 08:36:59 PM
I'm always down for a good freakout.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 08:46:54 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 24, 2009, 08:16:12 PM
I think he's far from socially distinguished mentally-challenged.  You do know who was president before him, right?
Hell naw. The major reason Bush got elected was his personality. I mean very few of his slip ups were politically incorrect or had the 'harshness' Obama had. He did a good job of relating to the 'common' man and when he was trying to be intentionally funny he was.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 08:49:45 PM
For all Obama's charisma he's still a skinny nerd. And like a skinny nerd he cracks jokes that make some folks cringe and other folks shake their head.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Dang right. Still trying to be one of the cool kids at the age 40 something. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 24, 2009, 08:51:25 PM
Ron Paul is predicting a 15-year depression. Its on FT.com, but I can't access it because I've already used my three monthly free reads. Can someone see if they can access it and post it here?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
 :nsfw Ron Paul article below  :nsfw
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Pension trustees and insurance company portfolio managers look away now. Your increased commitment to government bond holdings in recent times is about to blow up spectacularly.

At least, that is the view of Ron Paul, the US congressman who ran against John McCain in last year’s Republican Party presidential nomination.

His is a minority view. Yields on government bonds worldwide have been falling fast over the past few months and in the UK, the commencement of “quantitative easing” this month sent bond prices soaring.

But the credibility of both western governments and their currencies is waning, and has been ever since the gold standard was abandoned in 1971, says Mr Paul. And that means even “safe” investments are far from safe, he claims.

“People will start to abandon the dollar as current and past economic policies create a steep rise in interest rates,” Mr Paul says.

“If you are in Treasuries, you will need to be watchful and nimble to time your escape.”

Unfortunately, cashing out will not protect the value of investments, he insists, because “fiat” currencies will all decline over the coming years as measures to try to haul the world economy out of recession fail. “The current stimulus measures are making things a lot worse,” says Mr Paul.

“The US government just won’t allow the correction the economy needs.” He cites the mini-depression of 1921, which lasted just a year largely because insolvent companies were allowed to fail. “No one remembers that one. They’ll remember this one, because it will last 15 years.”

At some stage – Mr Paul estimates it will be between one and four years – the dollar will implode. “The dollar as a reserve standard is done,” he says. He sees little hope for other currencies where central banks have also created too much liquidity dating right back to the early 1970s.

“Europe and the US will both have to fundamentally change their money systems,” he adds.

And don’t even mention shares to Mr Paul: “The last place you want to be is in the stock market,” he says. “It may not bottom out for 10 years – just look at Japan.”

Of course, everyone has a view on the credit crisis, its causes and putative solutions. What differentiates Mr Paul is that he has been warning of the dangers to the world economy for nearly 40 years. “The breakdown of Bretton Woods was my motivation for running for Congress. I have been talking about the dangers ever since and warning that the control by central banks over the money supply would create an enormous bubble.”

A deep recession had only been avoided up until now because of the efforts of successive governments to reflate the economy. But there are no more policy levers left, says Mr Paul. “This is the big one.”

Unsurprisingly, Mr Paul has been viewed as a crank in Washington, dismissed as a doomsayer and a party-pooper. His bill early this year to abolish the Federal Reserve was largely ignored. And his adherence to the Austrian School of economics, which predicted that fiat currencies would destabilise the world economy, has won him few friends.

“People don’t like the Austrians because they are against big government, against armies and against the welfare state. To accept Austrian economics, you have to accept limitations of credit expansion and that is what has kept the government and financial firms in business for so long.”

However, his views are, for the first time, being taken seriously in Washington. Like another politician who recently aimed for high office, Al Gore, Mr Paul’s uncomfortable truths are starting to be deliberated at elevated political levels. “Before last summer, in meetings nobody really knew I was there. Now they often defer to me on economic matters. But you won’t catch any of them admitting that publicly – not yet at least.”

He believes that markets will fall much further and inflation rise much higher before his fellow politicians recognise that the system has failed. “We are likely to see an inflation depression,” Mr Paul says.

“In the 1970s, we had stagflation, but not depression. Inflation depression is what you see in Zimbabwe.”

Even Nouriel Roubini, the renegade economist whose once “extreme” views are now mainstream, fights shy of this analysis. The investment options arising from the analysis are no more palatable. In fact, according to Mr Paul, there is only one: gold.

Such an unproductive asset (unless you are a jeweller) appears unattractive even with the gold price having risen three-fold during the Bush administration. But Mr Paul argues that the current price of about $900/ounce could look cheap in a few years.

“It is not so much that gold will go up but that fiat currencies will go down,” he says. He even advocates a return to the gold standard, which he says is not as difficult as it sounds to achieve.

Mr Paul, it should be noted, first invested in gold nearly 40 years ago when it was worth $35/ounce and holds a part of his wealth in the metal. But he is not alone: gold exchange traded commodities have seen record inflows in the past six months, most wealth managers now recommend a core holding and central banks are loath to sell their quotas. Indeed, Russia has even announced it is buying gold.

Nevertheless, most large institutions, including pension funds, have little or no gold holdings. Mr Paul argues this is a mistake and decries the widely held view that gold is an anachronism.

“Gold is natural money and has been for 6,000 years,” he says.

“You just can’t repeal those laws. A scrap of paper, which the government can just add a nought to, will not do.” He does not, though, expect the mainstream investment industry and its advisers to rush to the bullion vaults.
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ee3e07f0-16b2-11de-9a72-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
are you serious?  getting elected President pretty much disqualifies you from being a social distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 24, 2009, 09:01:19 PM
it will be so funny watching the gold bubble burst.

and yeah, Obama is a great public speaker but I don't think he's nearly as charismatic in person (he's more normal).  this is why I always said that Biden is the brains because of all of his water-cooler experience.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:02:56 PM
So was Richard Nixon. Your public image doesn't hide the fact that you are socially distinguished mentally-challenged (at your core).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:03:13 PM
Bidens...brains? smh

anyway, press conference:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 24, 2009, 09:05:14 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:02:56 PM
So was Richard Nixon. Your public image doesn't hide the fact that you are socially distinguished mentally-challenged (at your core).
Yes it does...the National Review condemned Nixon after those oval office tapes were released.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 24, 2009, 09:05:39 PM
This speech is so full of shit its breathtaking.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 24, 2009, 09:06:24 PM
I'm pretty sure he was just being spontaneous, not trying to impress people with a skinny nerd joke
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:06:24 PM
I kinda wish someone would turn his teleprompter off, just to see what he'd do  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:07:27 PM
Biden I always thought was more the pragmatist, trying to get consesus, doing the rounds so to speak.

Quote from: am nintenho on March 24, 2009, 09:05:14 PM
Yes it does...the National Review condemned Nixon after those oval office tapes were released.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 24, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
Y'all see on Big Picture the article about Bernanke admitting that AIG's insurance subsidiaries had "substantial derivitive exposure" to its financial products side? That's fucking insane.

Thanks PD.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:07:27 PM
Biden I always thought was more the pragmatist, trying to get consesus, doing the rounds so to speak.

Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
I've got this picture that Obama has the vision and then sends out Biden to do all the running around amongst the serfs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 24, 2009, 09:16:16 PM
Oh sheeeeeee

No middle class tax cut.  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 24, 2009, 09:16:33 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 24, 2009, 09:05:14 PM
Yes it does...the National Review condemned Nixon after those oval office tapes were released.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Politicians are like actors.  They can hide their awkward behavior or racist beliefs whenever they get in front of a camera.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:19:04 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
I've got this picture that Obama has the vision and then sends out Biden to do all the running around amongst the serfs.

So Obama is Moses to Biden's Aaron?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:22:54 PM
I don't read 'insider' talk like you and Cheebs but from their interactions on TV and judging their personality types I get that feeling.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 24, 2009, 09:26:13 PM
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So Obama is Moses to Biden's Aaron?

You misspelled "Aron"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
I've got this picture that Obama has the vision and then sends out Biden to do all the running around amongst the serfs.
Or maybe Biden was in Washington for over 35 years, is well-liked and has built up alot of relationships that Obama hasn't...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:31:41 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 24, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:11:34 PM
Everything we know about Obama suggests that he's all those things. From listening to as many view points as possible to being rather cautious, etc.

I'm not familiar with this idea that Biden is the cautious smart dude in the room
I've got this picture that Obama has the vision and then sends out Biden to do all the running around amongst the serfs.
Or maybe Biden was in Washington for over 35 years, is well-liked and has built up alot of relationships that Obama hasn't...

So Obama is Michael to Biden's Fredo. Washington being Las Vegas of course
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:39:07 PM
Obama with the ether  :lol

CNN reporter: rah rah rah, Cuomo is actually doing stuff about AIG. How come you waited two days  before expressing any outrage?!

Obama: *long answer about trying to fix issue*

CNN reporter: Cuomo's doing stuff! Where was your outrage when you were being silent for two days!

Obama: I like to know what I'm taking about before speaking. Next

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 24, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:31:41 PM

So Obama is Michael to Biden's Fredo. Washington being Las Vegas of course
See nerd humour, carrying the joke too far.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 10:03:55 PM
Shit press conference, someone should have grown some balls and attacked the Geithner plan for the crap it is.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 24, 2009, 10:06:01 PM
At this point is there a viable alternative to the Geithner plan?

Take care of things hobo with a shotgun style.

Srsly tho... nationalize the banks.  I was encouraged today to actually see Timid Timmy ask the big bad Congresscritters for the ability to go in and take shit over if he had to.  I'm just personally opposed to anything that will result in more "heads the private sector (aka the idiots that did this shit in the first place) win, tails the tax payers lose" situations.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2009, 10:14:46 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 24, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
I said viable.  I think nationalizing the banks is the way to go as well, but honestly i don't think it will happen until we get another grand-mal seizure in the credit markets.

This.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2009, 10:16:46 PM
I said hobo with a shotgun!  That's viable, all you need is a bunch of hobos and shotguns.  Hobos are plentiful thanks to 2G2D and shotguns are relatively cheap.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 24, 2009, 10:21:59 PM
yeah, about the only good thing you can say about it is that it doesn't involve congress
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2009, 10:40:06 PM
Trial Balloon


:fiesta :fiesta


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-mum-on-proposal-to-apf-14735219.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on March 24, 2009, 10:49:34 PM
Mandark would like this snippet from The New Yorker.

Quote
Speaking of Paul Krugman, he was on The Newshour with Jim Lehrer last night, talking about the Geithner plan. In two and a half minutes, he clearly and concisely made the case against the plan. (Strangely, I found his television commentary to be far more lucid and less over-the-top than his columns on the subject have been.) His critique—which you can read the transcript of here—does an excellent job of explaining the plan’s potential flaws:

[T]his is a plan that treats a fairly minor symptom of the problem. You know, that maybe some of these toxic assets—I guess they’re now toxic legacy assets, whatever—are being under-priced in the market. And maybe there’s a problem there.
But the fact of the matter is that the banks made a huge bet. They made a bet that the housing bubble was nonexistent, that, you know, historically unprecedented levels of consumer debt were not a problem. They lost that bet. And this plan does almost nothing to rescue them from the consequences of that bad debt.

[The plan] is a very poorly targeted instrument. What you have is banks that have taken huge losses. And those are real losses. They’re not just because the markets aren’t working so well in toxic paper. And to get the markets, to get capital flowing, to get credit flowing to the real economy, you actually need to make the banks sound again… .

This is not going to do that. It’s going to help a little bit, maybe… . It’s a very sweet deal for the investors. And it’s going to push up the prices, but a lot of the benefits will go to financial institutions that are actually not in any trouble. A fair bit of the benefits will go to people who are not in the financial industry at all. Only a little bit of it is going to trickle to the really critically injured banks. So it’s just not — it’s a plan that kind of mistakes the nature of the problem that we face.

I’m not convinced by Krugman’s take, in part because, like Brad DeLong, I think risk aversion has played a major role in the undervaluing of assets, including mortgages and mortgage-backed securities, and that uncertainty about the continued impact of risk aversion on the value of those assets has made private capital and the banks themselves far more cautious than they normally would be. And I think the Geithner plan, while not ideal, has a reasonable chance of altering the risk-reward equation in a way that would significantly help the economy. I also think the risks and costs of nationalizing banks, which is the meaningful alternative to the plan, outweigh the benefits. (I also don’t think it would be politically possible right now to get Congress to commit the hundreds of billions—if not trillions of dollars—that would be required to take over even a couple big banks.) But I don’t think you’ll find a clearer, more serious critique of the plan’s underlying assumptions than the one Krugman offered


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 24, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
I said viable.  I think nationalizing the banks is the way to go as well, but honestly i don't think it will happen until we get another grand-mal seizure in the credit markets.

So, are you saying we will get another credit freeze up?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2009, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 24, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
I said viable.  I think nationalizing the banks is the way to go as well, but honestly i don't think it will happen until we get another grand-mal seizure in the credit markets.

So, are you saying we will get another credit freeze up?

hamster huey and the  commericial real estate default kablooie
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 25, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2009, 12:42:04 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 12:32:35 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 24, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
I said viable.  I think nationalizing the banks is the way to go as well, but honestly i don't think it will happen until we get another grand-mal seizure in the credit markets.

So, are you saying we will get another credit freeze up?

hamster huey and the  commericial real estate default kablooie

wow, best semi-obscure reference evar.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 01:23:45 AM
Yeah, the commercial real estate bomb is on the horizon (or has it already started?). One thing I wonder is how much of an effect the administration's home stabilization efforts are currently having on round 2 of the housing debacle due that starts next year. Those resets haven't occured yet, but theoretically they should all be underwater and qualify for something maybe. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2009, 02:29:04 AM
I think a lot of the ARM reset problems in terms of deaults are either already either behind us/in process (worst case) or are going to be addressed this year via refinance activity, which is scheduled to be in the trillions of dollars due to low rates (this will probably not have much of an impact on house prices as there is a lot of inventory-both listed and unlisted "trapped" owners) to work through. There will be a portion of people who will need help since they can't afford the refi costs or don't qualify for one due to low equity, which is where the stabilization plan will come in. How the cramdown provision being gummed up in the Senate will also play a part as well.

I'm slowly warming up to the Geithner plan as a awful compromise between doing nothing and trying to do something that would most assuredly cost us way more money. It's worth the risk and can be done without it getting raped and mauled by a out of touch Senate.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: chronovore on March 25, 2009, 08:17:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2009, 09:06:24 PM
I kinda wish someone would turn his teleprompter off, just to see what he'd do  :lol

It wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as if someone did the same thing to Dubya. That would just be "deer in rapidly approaching headlights" look.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2009, 10:20:01 AM
Now I know why Bush rarely did press conferences. I think Obama did pretty well considering the hot fiyah he was dealing with. But he needs to come off the podium and deck some of those fegs who are only there to try to make him squirm. He should totally ignore questions from the conservative media from here on out. They are not asking questions because they want an answer, they are fishing for ammo.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Ganhyun on March 25, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
Listened to some of the press conference on the radio this morning. Seemed like Obama dodged answering about the taxcut not being in the budget.


Also, this was on the news this morning,



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510445,00.html

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/25/eu-president-us-economic-plan-a-way-to-hell/


lol. looks like not everyone in the EU likes our bailout plan.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
The Czech PM is a total nut, an avowed Eurosceptic, climate change denier, and ron paul-style economic distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. He's EU President because of the way the position automatically rotates, not due to any election, and it's been a huge source of embarrassment for most of the member states.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2009, 12:05:32 PM
Just get rid of the Senate period, it's just a place where states that don't have people living in them push their values and extract resources from states that do have people living in them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 25, 2009, 12:47:11 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/wapoobamabudget1-1.jpg)

I added in the Iraq/Afland war costs because Bush made them off-budget.
Title: Jumping on the Fragwagon
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
The Czech PM is a total nut, an avowed Eurosceptic, climate change denier, and ron paul-style economic distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. He's EU President because of the way the position automatically rotates, not due to any election, and it's been a huge source of embarrassment for most of the member states.

Not only that, his party just suffered a vote of no confidence and have to give up power.

Agree on the Senate.  Wannabe House of Lords total.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2009, 01:28:08 PM
While in a perfect world we'd get rid of the Senate, that's not gonna happen.  Nor is getting rid of the filibuster.

What Obama and testes-less Harry Reid SHOULD do, however, is make the Republicans filibuster.  Make 'em look stupid on national tv a couple of times.  No more of this just letting them threaten shit.  If health care is a couple of votes away, make them stand up and filibuster a plan that will drive down costs and insure millions more Americans.  See how that works for them in 2010 and 2012.

These are Democrats we're talking about, tho.  I'm just shocked every day that goes by where they don't ask the Republicans if it's ok for them to go to the bathroom, so making the GOP filibuster is probably out of the question.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2009, 01:41:51 PM
From what I've read, it would be near impossible to force an actual Mr. Thurmond goes to Washington moment.  Something about a single Senator being able to repeatedly reset the process by suggesting lack of a quorum yadda yadda.  Ye olde parliamentary maneuvers barf.

Even with a very clear electoral mandate for one party, the agenda can get hijacked by a single Senator, thanks to the supermajority requirement and crap like holds.  Ben Nelson got to grandstand about the stimulus bill, Robert Menendez held up the emergency spending bill because of his Cuba fetish, etc.

Now more idiocy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/25/AR2009032501368.html):

Quote from: Washington Post
Conrad also pressed some Bush-era budget maneuvers eliminated by Obama back into service: Instead of a 10-year budget that shows deficits steadily accumulating, for example, Conrad is proposing a five-year spending plan. And Conrad assumes that the alternative minimum tax will strike millions of middle-class families, generating billions of additional dollars in 2013 and 2014, though Congress has acted repeatedly to prevent that.

THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY CUT THE DEFICITS!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 25, 2009, 01:46:49 PM
there was some other party that was big on five year plans but i can't recall much about them
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 25, 2009, 01:46:49 PM
there was some other party that was big on five year plans but i can't recall much about them

That's awesome, but totally needs a :hannity
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on March 25, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
[youtube=560,345] 94lW6Y4tBXs[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 25, 2009, 05:07:26 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 25, 2009, 01:28:08 PM
While in a perfect world we'd get rid of the Senate, that's not gonna happen.  Nor is getting rid of the filibuster.

What Obama and testes-less Harry Reid SHOULD do, however, is make the Republicans filibuster.  Make 'em look stupid on national tv a couple of times.  No more of this just letting them threaten shit.  If health care is a couple of votes away, make them stand up and filibuster a plan that will drive down costs and insure millions more Americans.  See how that works for them in 2010 and 2012.

These are Democrats we're talking about, tho.  I'm just shocked every day that goes by where they don't ask the Republicans if it's ok for them to go to the bathroom, so making the GOP filibuster is probably out of the question.

I agree, the filibuster in theory is fine and worked fine for decades, but this ridiculous gentlemanly agreement that all you have to do is tap your foot twice in the Senate bathroom and suddenly 60 votes are needed instead of 50 is ridiculous.

It's a political tool to be used by the minority, but it should also come with it's appropriate political risks.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 26, 2009, 12:11:33 AM
Nobody had a problem with the filibuster when Dubya was trying to suggest some far right wing justice selections.  When Republicans wanted to take filibustering away for it, a lot of Democrats, probably a couple people who posted in this thread, didn't want it taken away.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2009, 03:43:56 AM
ARRRRGGGGGHHHH.  Obama's pick to run the Commodity Futures Trading Commission is a former Goldman-Sachs employee who helped pass Gramm-Leach-Bliley as an undersecretary for Summers. (http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/25/sen_sanders_blocking_vote_to_confirm)

Again, I HAVE FUCKING HAD IT WITH THESE RUBINITES IN MY MOTHERFUCKING GOVT!  This was not the shit that I signed up for when I campaigned tirelessly for you last year, Obama.  FIX IT.

Thank Christ Bernie Sanders is putting a hold on this guy.

T EXP- it's reasonable to filibuster or threaten a filibuster for the spectacularly unqualified and inept judges that Dubya nominated.  It's not for EVERY LITTLE THING the Dems want to do.  Elections have consequences.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 26, 2009, 04:02:21 AM
Yeah I have to admit that the problem isn't the existence of Rubin-things, but the apparent ubiquity of them at every level of the government's interaction with markets.

No one's asking for a Socialism Wow! campaign, just get some people who aren't tied up into the great credit shitheap as a counterbalance to those that enabled it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2009, 04:07:19 AM
Honestly tho, appointing someone like this to a post like the CFTC is EXACTLY the sort of shit that pissed me off about Bush.  It's one thing to appoint someone who may be unqualified, but it's completely another to try to appoint someone who is fundamentally unsuited to carry out the duties of their position, like oh say an energy company lobbyist to be head of the EPA or any of the other legion of distinguished mentally-challenged Bush appointees.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 26, 2009, 04:21:23 AM
On the flipside, where the hell do you find someone qualified to oversee the regulation of the kind of wacky shit that they trade on CFTC outside of the financial industry? One of the very real problems filling that slot is that the shit that goes through there is so incredible fucked up and convoluted to begin with-keep in mind that the CFTC is where we want to have an open derivatives market to get that shit outside of shadow banking.

Not defending the choice-it's GS, fucker of freedom, but I'd want a strong set of academics alongside the GS tool in this situation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 26, 2009, 01:15:28 PM
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/citi-bofa-said-to-buy-mortgage-securities-in-bulk/ (http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/citi-bofa-said-to-buy-mortgage-securities-in-bulk/)

Citi and BoA are now gobbling up toxic assets at distressed prices ahead of Geithner's bank plan implementation so they can sell them back to the government for a profit.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 26, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M6orSr5QvA[/youtube]

obama sounds like a huge douche
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 26, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Quote from: Guybrush Threepwood on March 26, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M6orSr5QvA[/youtube]

obama sounds like a huge douche

As much as I'd love him to say yes, what do you want him to say at this point?

He's been around the block, and I think he's smart enough to know the reasons why it'd be a good thing, but he's also smart enough to know it's not something he can accomplish at the moment.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Guybrush Threepwood on March 26, 2009, 05:54:07 PM
It's not that he said no.

It's that he laughed at the suggestion as if it were some nutty conspiracy theory and he insulted the people who asked the question.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2009, 05:59:47 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on March 26, 2009, 04:21:23 AM
On the flipside, where the hell do you find someone qualified to oversee the regulation of the kind of wacky shit that they trade on CFTC outside of the financial industry?

Yep.

Saving/regulating the financial sector is going to be a bitch because basically everyone you could hire has experience in... the financial sector.  Not saying they'll be corrupt or outright underhanded.  But they're going to bring the biases that come from being in those business and social circles.

I get the sense that the military's the same way.  Practically everyone who can speak with authority on deployment, weapon systems, etc. is deeply steeped in that culture and it's really hard to change anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 08:08:04 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/26/gop-budget-plan-fizzles-a_n_179660.html

lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 26, 2009, 08:32:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 08:08:04 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/26/gop-budget-plan-fizzles-a_n_179660.html

lol

Quote
QUESTION: ... House Republicans unveiled what they described today as their alternative to the president's budget. I wonder if anyone here has had a chance to brief you on that on -- if you're aware that it doesn't actually contain any numbers.

GIBBS: I did -- I -- it took me several minutes to read it. (LAUGHTER) I will note that ... there's one more picture of a windmill than there is of a chart of numbers. There's -- just for your knowledge, there's exactly one picture of a windmill.
:lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 08:44:16 PM
Seriously, it's like they've thrown some shit together to simply deny Obama's charge that they don't have a budget. The infighting sounds pretty petty
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 26, 2009, 08:45:01 PM
I'm pretty sure laughing at the Republicans is the same as laughing at distinguished mentally-challenged children.  For shame, evilbore
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 26, 2009, 08:57:12 PM
Quote from: Guybrush Threepwood on March 26, 2009, 04:35:06 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M6orSr5QvA[/youtube]

obama sounds like a huge douche
He'd be political dead if he said anything else. What did you expect? He at least admits to actively doing weed for much of his life not the "tried it once didn't like it" line of most presidents.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
Quote
If you're having a bad day, I highly encourage you to spend some quality time with the Republican budget proposal. It's reads like what would happen if The Onion put together a budget. "Area Man Releases Proposal for 2010 Federal Spending Priorities." (Though, to paraphrase William F. Buckley, it turns out that I'd prefer a federal budget written by an area man than the first six names on the House Republican Leadership roster.)
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=03&year=2009&base_name=my_favorite_budget_ever#114041

Shame. They should have had Ginrich write it, he has ideas
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 26, 2009, 09:10:37 PM
Thinking Obama was gonna legalize your weed is like that lady who thought that Obama was gonna pay for her gas.

Maybe once some of this shit cools down, it'd be nice if he could do something about the DEA not respecting State laws, other than that I don't really expect much.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 26, 2009, 09:18:22 PM
Obama will not legalize weed.  Period.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2009, 10:40:57 PM
Fark is having fun with the GOP "budget". (http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4291765&startid=49808303)

(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6185/plan.jpg)

(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll307/hillbillypharmacist/GRAPH.jpg)

(http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp283/ahthomps/AMERICABYCARLSJR.jpg)

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k219/burndtdan/politics/repbudgetwhoops.jpg)

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/371/rrrcopy.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2009, 10:52:46 PM
(http://pcd.dreamhosters.com/538/images/rrtr.png)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Has Bin Laden ever mentioned the name Obama yet? Seems like a relevant topic that the (dead) terrorist would mention.


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 27, 2009, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2009, 12:10:47 AM
Has Bin Laden ever mentioned the name Obama yet? Seems like a relevant topic that the (dead) terrorist would mention.




My guess is that they filmed a million of these (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/360206/snl_flashback_tom_brokaw_announces_ford_s_death/), but never anticipated Barack Hussein Obama getting elected President and have nothing.
Title: Mamacint gets 20 points for that link
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2009, 12:29:55 AM
Oddly enough, I don't think he's mentioned Obama but he did refer to "Vice President Biden".

I figure he (or whoever is putting the tapes out) doesn't want to start a popularity contest against our man.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 12:33:53 AM
He mentioned Biden before but not Obama? weird
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 27, 2009, 12:42:44 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 12:33:53 AM
He mentioned Biden before but not Obama? weird
CNN had the best parsing of his language:

Quote
Bin Laden message: Stop 'aggression' against Gaza Story Highlights

(CNN) -- Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has apparently released a new audio message calling for a jihad, or holy war, against Israel for its Gaza campaign.

Osama bin Laden, in an undated photo, apparently taped a message calling for jihad against Israel.

The 22-minute message contains "an invitation" from bin Laden to take part in "jihad to stop the aggression against Gaza."

The audio message was posted on a radical Islamist Web site that has posted other statements from bin Laden in the past.

CNN could not independently confirm the authenticity of the message, but the speaker's voice was similar to other recordings that bin Laden has made.

While not naming President-elect Barack Obama, bin Laden refers to the future of the United States in the face of the current global economic crisis.  Watch as experts discuss Osama message »

"[America is] now drowning in a global financial crisis," he said. "They're even begging all nations, small and large, for help. America is no longer feared by its enemies nor respected by its allies.

"The decline of the American power is one of the main reasons for Israel's rushed and barbaric aggression on Gaza in a desperate attempt to take advantage of the last days of [President] Bush's term in office."

He appears, however, to refer to Obama, saying "Bush leaves his successor with the worst inheritance ... two long guerrilla wars and no options. He either withdraws and faces military defeat, or carries on and drowns his nation in financial trouble."  Watch Obama comment on bin Laden's message »

The message also names Vice President-elect Joe Biden.

"Here is Biden, the vice president of the president-elect ... [he] says that the crisis is bigger than they expected and that the American economy, all of it, is open to collapse," bin Laden said.

On December 20, Biden said in an interview that the economy "is in much worse shape than we thought it was in."

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said the message "demonstrates [bin Laden's] isolation and continued attempts to remain relevant at a time when al Qaeda's ideology, mission and agenda are being questioned and challenged throughout the world."

He noted that the message also appears to be "an effort to raise money as part of [al Qaeda's] ongoing propaganda campaign."

"The United States promotes an alternative, hopeful ideology while continuing to partner with over 90 countries to pursue terrorists wherever they are," Johndroe said.

The last time bin Laden released an audio message was in mid-May, timed to coincide with Israel's 60th anniversary. That message urged his followers to liberate Palestine.

Israel launched a military offensive in Gaza on December 27 to stop Hamas rocket strikes on southern Israel. The death toll in Gaza was nearing 1,000 on Wednesday, including more than 300 children, according to Palestinian medical sources.

The Israeli toll stood at 13, including three civilians, according to Israeli police and military officials.

Bin Laden, who is about 51, is the head of the al Qaeda terrorist network, which was responsible for the September 11, 2001, attack on the United States that killed 2,751 people.

He's been in hiding since the U.S. assault on Afghanistan that followed the 9/11 attacks. The U.S. government is offering a $25 million reward for information leading to his capture.

President Bush, whose term ends next week, told CNN's Larry King on Tuesday that he remains optimistic that bin Laden would be found.

Asked by King, "Are we ever going to find bin Laden?" Bush replied: "Yes, of course, absolutely. We've got a lot of people out there looking for him, a lot of assets. You can't run forever."

The message is important to the incoming U.S. president because it signifies that bin Laden is still "out there," said Tim Roemer, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana who served on both the congressional and the presidential September 11 commissions.

"It's a reminder of President-elect Obama's inheritance of some of the difficult problems out there that he has to confront," said Roemer, who is president of the Center for National Policy.


"Al Qaeda is trying to be relevant with this tape," Roemer said. "They seek competition with Hamas, Hezbollah, the ongoing battle between Israel and the Palestinians. ...

"This reminds us of what bin Laden said right after 9/11. He said it wasn't 19 Arab armies or 19 Arab states that attacked the United States. It was 19 post-graduate students. It reminds us how much the world has changed, and how many different threats are out there today."

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 27, 2009, 01:27:40 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/inside-the-ring-23718486/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/26/inside-the-ring-23718486/)

Pretty interesting. I side here with Biden here a bit more. Why do we want to willingly drag ourselves into another nation-building effort given how Iraq went and recognizing Afghanistan's history? There's definately some hypocrisy on both sides of the argument though.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
War on drugs :bow2

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/03/mexicos_drug_war.html
 
:-\

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
The Democrat in the NY-20 special election is currently leading in the two polls out today. hopefully it works out, but I am still unsure. Its a conservative district and republicans tend to turn out better in special elections than democrats.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 27, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
Beck is beating Olby and on some days Olby and Maddow combined.  :lol

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/ (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 27, 2009, 12:23:13 PM
Beck is beating Olby and on some days Olby and Maddow combined.  :lol

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/ (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/)



MSNBC is doing just fine, great in fact. CNN is the one that needs to be worried. From your link:
Quote
Meanwhile, we hear another story will hit the wires later today or tomorrow morning about MSNBC's ratings gains. Insiders tells us MSNBC is poised to beat CNN for the month of March in the A25-54 demo and, for the first time ever, in Total Viewers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 01:28:45 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2009, 09:01:49 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2009, 02:16:33 AM
War on drugs :bow2

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/03/mexicos_drug_war.html
 
:-\

You do realize that all that violence could stop tomorrow if we would just legalize drugs?

You honestly believe that?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 01:44:40 PM
Even if we could somehow magically make Obama try to legalize something that is currently illegal and political suicide it should be gay marriage not drugs.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 27, 2009, 01:49:47 PM
I disagree.  Nobody is being put in jail for getting gay married as far as I know.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
don't mention that on GAF
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 02:52:59 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/tammy-bruce-calls-the-oba_n_178109.html

jesus fucking christ @ her voice

I thought the Michelle hate kinda died down after the initial attacks/smears/rumors didn't work in the primaries
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 02:52:59 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/tammy-bruce-calls-the-oba_n_178109.html

jesus fucking christ @ her voice

I thought the Michelle hate kinda died down after the initial attacks/smears/rumors didn't work in the primaries
that is terrible. what the fuck is this crazy lady trying to mock about her? that she tried to get an a? that she sounds black? wtf. She didnt do a fake black voice that is how Michelle sounds when she isn't doing speeches.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 03:14:29 PM
That clip is like the definition of petty bullshit. Making fun of someone about them wanting to get an A? Playing up the "acting white" comment as if it's an attack on white people? I've maybe had a couple white people tell me I acted white. The vast majority of folks who made fun of the music I liked or the way I talked or the grades I got were/are black.

They're truly fanning the flames of hate and misinformation
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2009, 03:18:03 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 02:59:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 02:52:59 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/tammy-bruce-calls-the-oba_n_178109.html

jesus fucking christ @ her voice

I thought the Michelle hate kinda died down after the initial attacks/smears/rumors didn't work in the primaries
that is terrible. what the fuck is this crazy lady trying to mock about her? that she tried to get an a? that she sounds black? wtf. She didnt do a fake black voice that is how Michelle sounds when she isn't doing speeches.

Yeah, seriously what the hell was her point? :lol

Who is dis biatch anyway?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2009, 03:37:03 PM
natural right of man? oookkkkaayyyy
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2009, 03:51:41 PM
I can't find anything about blazing in my PDF of natural rights.  did I miss an update or something?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
woah, thank you for bestowing me with this honor.

:bow Green Shinobi :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2009, 04:06:09 PM
I won't!

I'm off to down some opiates inside a police department.  ttyl.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2009, 04:14:30 PM
EBtweet: I'm in jail. bubububub natural rights  :'(
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 27, 2009, 05:02:38 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2009, 03:54:34 PM
It is your natural right to do anything that doesn't interfere with any other person's natural right to peace and security.
you sound like FoC lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 05:18:33 PM
And you think legalizing hardcore drugs won't effect peace and security? Where do you live again?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on March 27, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
I smoked like 4 bowls last night and laughed like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow at AD.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
Quote from: TVC 15 on March 27, 2009, 05:20:27 PM
I smoked like 4 bowls last night and laughed like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow at AD.

send this cigarillo to jail
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2009, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 27, 2009, 01:49:47 PM
I disagree.  Nobody is being put in jail for getting gay married as far as I know.

Eh.  Gay people are basically a social class now.  Potsmokers are hobbyists.

The war on drugs is a crock, but it seems like the worst injustices happen in cities and are inseparable from the other urban problems.  And the more anti-prohibitionists sell legalization as a cure-all, the less inclined I am to listen to them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 27, 2009, 11:05:32 PM
BUT IT WILL CURE ALL.

1. Legalize Pot
2. Tax It
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 27, 2009, 11:07:08 PM
someone pass mandark the spliff
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2009, 11:09:18 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2009, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on March 27, 2009, 03:51:41 PM
I can't find anything about blazing in my PDF of natural rights.  did I miss an update or something?

It is your natural right to do anything that doesn't interfere with any other person's natural right to peace and security.

Offer not valid for Mexican citizens seeking US residence.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 27, 2009, 11:23:11 PM
Someone here (may have been Green Shinobi) suggested taxing pot would get us out of the recession.  Or maybe that was Guybrush Threepwood.  The whole weed scene is pretty obnoxious in general.  I've smoked my fair share but people who seemingly base their lives on pot and its subculture aren't worth paying attention to.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 27, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
There's the Billions in law enforcement and incarceration that would be saved. Plus it would take at least one feather out of the Mexican Drug Lord's cap.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 27, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
Estimated tax revenues from legalized pot are always overstated. If it were legalized, the price of pot would plummet. And, as it's pretty easy to grow, it would still mostly be an underground business immune from taxation. It should still be legalized, but it's no cure-all for state coffers.

and
natural rights = fiction
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 27, 2009, 11:57:32 PM
:bow rousseau :bow2
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 27, 2009, 11:59:02 PM
It's weird that peolple somehow think it'll be grown and taxed like tobacco when everyone can just grow it in their basement, or shed, or have that one guy on the block that grows reeeally good stuff as a hobby. It would never be an industry with whole plantations.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 27, 2009, 11:59:02 PM
It's weird that peolple somehow think it'll be grown and taxed like tobacco when everyone can just grow it in their basement, or shed, or have that one guy on the block that grows reeeally good stuff as a hobby. It would never be an industry with whole plantations.

Yes that's an important distinction from it and alcohol, too. I can't just make my own beer and wine. Thus, I have no choice but to pay the high rates of sin tax. I could, however, grow my own marijuana, then roll it, and smoke it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2009, 12:11:54 AM
Quote from: Malek on March 27, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
natural rights = fiction

Yeah.  But it's kind of a useful fiction.

If people didn't have it beaten into their heads from childhood that everyone is entitled to certain freedoms, you'd never get a society that agreed to recognize them in practice.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
Quote from: Malek on March 28, 2009, 12:04:28 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 27, 2009, 11:59:02 PM
It's weird that peolple somehow think it'll be grown and taxed like tobacco when everyone can just grow it in their basement, or shed, or have that one guy on the block that grows reeeally good stuff as a hobby. It would never be an industry with whole plantations.

Yes that's an important distinction from it and alcohol, too. I can't just make my own beer and wine. Thus, I have no choice but to pay the high rates of sin tax. I could, however, grow my own marijuana, then roll it, and smoke it.

I dunno, weed smokers are pretty lazy generally speaking.  I know plenty, and they're more than content to fork over $50-60 for an 1/8 of an ounce of good weed.  A 1/4 pound of good weed goes to street dealers at about a grand; if it got sold completely (yeah right, the dealer isn't gonna smoke any of his own stash- most small time dealers I know do it just to break even and not have to pay for their own weed) it would gross $1600.  That's $600 in profit, or 37.5%.  I bet the government would buy from growers or middlemen and accept a 38% or so profit margin on something that they just had to bag up.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: demi on March 28, 2009, 12:21:20 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 27, 2009, 05:19:29 PM
Legalize weed

[youtube=560,345]oMzB6X4z_dM[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 12:38:49 AM
Triumph, that's what those people are willing to pay in an illegal market with artificial high prices. Without the fear of penal sanctions, prices would have to drop, as would how much people would be willing to pay and how much tax they'd be willing to pay. If the tax were excessive, people could easily go back to the underground market and/or grow it themselves--especially without the fear of penal sanctions--limiting just how much revenue states could extract from the plant.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2009, 12:40:25 AM
Quote from: Malek on March 28, 2009, 12:38:49 AM
Triumph, that's what those people are willing to pay in an illegal market with artificial high prices. Without the fear of penal sanctions, prices would have to drop, as would how much people would be willing to pay and how much tax they'd be willing to pay. If the tax were excessive, people could easily go back to the underground market and/or grow it themselves--especially without the fear of penal sanctions--limiting just how much revenue states could extract from the plant.

People are lazy.
People who smoke weed are ESPECIALLY lazy.

Both facts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 12:55:14 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/27/jim-webb-pot-legalization_n_180073.html

Aw shit, I think Webb wants to get in yer pants Triumph
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2009, 12:57:10 AM
You gotta figure economies of scale + convenience = large market for legal weed.  How many people grow their own food?

But Malek's right that if you set the tax too high, you encourage people to go into the black market and that undercuts the revenues.





Oh shit I just restated the Laffer Curve.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 01:06:20 AM
I dunno if growing weed and growing/farming food is too comparable though. Seems a lot easier and more profitable to grow weed in your room and sell it under the table.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 28, 2009, 01:12:46 AM
How many people could/would grow turnips in their closet?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 01:15:35 AM
But produce is subsidized to the point where most of it costs less than a dollar per pound. I don't foresee pot being that inexpensive. If it were, than people would obviously have no incentive to grow their own and you would be right. As long as the price is still significantly high, people would still have a reason to grow their own.

People would grow turnips in their closets if it got them high.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2009, 01:28:56 AM
That might be true, but it's setting a pretty low bar.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 01:48:43 AM
Big Tobacco is forced to put warnings on their cartons and packs. Since they're multi-billion dollar corporations with millions of share holders, they have to go along with any government mandated warnings, rather than go-out of business. It's not as if Philip Morris can go underground. Meth-dealers, on the other hand, have no such incentive to comply with mandated warnings.

The addiction rate would stay the same. But if more people try something, that's a larger pool of potential addicts. I don't think meth users should be jailed, but I would still discourage meth plants and meth distribution. The harm caused by meth and the small harm caused by marijuana is so different that the two shouldn't even be in the same discussion.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 01:59:26 AM
Meth is dangerous, not only to the people who use it but those surrounding them. It's toxic. I don't see how "legalizing and taxing" it would even apply considering most US homes contain the ingredients for the drug.

Legalizing coke/cocaine probably won't do anything to curve violence or incarcerations in inner cities. If anything it was make things worse
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 02:09:46 AM
I wouldn't jail any drug users. I would, however, favor mandated treatment for repeated users who lack volition. IF they are not free to act because of their drug dependence, they wouldn't be losing their freedom; they'd be regaining it.


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Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 02:24:57 AM
Why would anyone buy watered down government meth when they can make it in the privacy of their own home, as potent/dangerous and powerful as they please?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 02:28:44 AM
What drug store would carry meth? I would not want to be one of their attorneys! The only way they might be free of liability is with prescriptions.

But then I wouldn't want to be the attorney for the doctor who writes that prescription.

edit: you probably didn't mean that kind of drug store. Still I don't see why they or the manufacturers of meth should be immune from liability.


Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2009, 02:16:29 AM
You know how it's easier for high schoolers to get weed than it is for them to get booze? Same principle.
Really?
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/12/11/teens-favor-painkillers-alcohol-and-marijuana-over-stimulants/


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Teen alcohol use has declined since the mid-1990s, though the levels are still pretty high. The 2008 survey showed that the number of 8th and 12th graders who reported that they drank alcohol one or more times in the past year remained fairly steady at about 32% and about 66% respectively. The number of 10th graders who reported alcohol use in the past year fell 3.8% to 52.5%.
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The study showed that marijuana use among teens, which has consistently declined since the mid-1990s, appears to have leveled off, with 10.9% of 8th graders, 23.9% of 10th graders and 32.4% of 12th graders reporting using it in the past year. Teen use of several other illicit drugs, including LSD, ecstasy and heroin remained steady.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 28, 2009, 02:29:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 02:24:57 AM
Why would anyone buy watered down government meth when they can make it in the privacy of their own home, as potent/dangerous and powerful as they please?

People enjoy having skin.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 02:33:02 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 28, 2009, 02:29:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2009, 02:24:57 AM
Why would anyone buy watered down government meth when they can make it in the privacy of their own home, as potent/dangerous and powerful as they please?

People enjoy having skin.

True, but for how long?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 02:55:57 AM
your data point of one, in a country of 300 million people, is convincing, but it just does not seem reasonable.

Most children's parents have booze in the house
Many corner stores have no qualms about selling booze to underage kids.
Alcohol is more socially acceptable
Alcohol is not illegal per se, thus subject to less stringent controls.

All these factors, among others, makes it easier for kids to get alcohol than marijuana. Though, I don't really know what this has to do with anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 03:30:00 AM
But your point was that pot was easier to obtain than alcohol.* Now, you are simply explaining one of the reasons why alcohol is easier to obtain than pot. This doesn't help your point.

*this was to support your assertion that age limits with small fines are more effective at curbing the use of something than a complete ban with prison penalties.

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And if it were illegal until age 21, like alcohol, it would be more difficult for kids to get their hands on it than it currently is. You know how it's easier for high schoolers to get weed than it is for them to get booze? Same principle.

Think about that:

I won't do x because of a small fine
But I will do y even though the penalty for possession of y is a possible prison sentence.

It's completely illogical.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 03:33:31 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2009, 03:20:57 AM
Anyway, your argument is that legalizing drugs would result in more people doing them.
That was never my argument.

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But if more people try something, that's a larger pool of potential addicts.

This was a point limited to an argument about METH, not drugs in general.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 28, 2009, 03:48:29 AM
I would definitely smoke pot on occasion if it were legal.  At present, I've only done so when it was directly offered to me, because I'm too shy to ask people for illegal substances.  I don't think it would screw me up any more than online forums have.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 28, 2009, 09:47:19 AM
You really think drug stores would carry cocaine or meth? lol. They would never carry stuff that is far more addictive and far more likely to kill you than cigarettes. They'd get sued constantly. It'd make the lawsuits against the tobacco companies look like nothing.

I get the idea of legalizing weed, weed is fine. But coke, meth, etc? Anyone who takes those higher extreme drugs is a fucking idiot and the government shouldn't help them kill themselves with those products.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 28, 2009, 10:04:43 AM
New poll out of CT is very interesting. Oddly Dodd looks like he'll be able to pull off re-election but Lieberman in 2012 unless he retires is going to hand it over to the republican due to vote splitting.

Connecticut

2010 U.S. Senate
Sen. Chris Dodd (D) 45%, Rob Simmons (R) 40%
Sen. Chris Dodd (D) 51%, Sam Caligiuri (R) 30%
Sen. Chris Dodd (D) 53%, Larry Kudlow (R) 31%

2012 U.S. Senate
Jodi Rell (R) 42%, Ned Lamont (D) 30%, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I) 25%
Jodi Rell (R) 43%, Dick Blumenthal (D) 28%, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I) 25%

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 01:39:03 PM


I still don't see how drug manufactures or drug stores could escape liability for producing and selling things like meth. They owe a duty of care to their customers. It's reasonably foreseeable that meth will cause substantial harm to users. Consent is unlikely to be a valid defense because meth addicts would be found to be mentally incapable of waiving their legal rights. Even if consent were a defense against direct users, it wouldn't be a defense against third-party plaintiffs harmed by meth users who purchased meth from the defendant-manufactures or the defendant-drug stores.

For policy reasons, I don't see governments shielding meth producers from liability.
Title: TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL TORTFUL
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 28, 2009, 02:18:35 PM
Green, I wasn't speaking about illegality, but about civil liability relating to these products. You might think that these drugs should be treated like alcohol by the courts. Courts have generally held that alcohol per se isn't harmful; that is, they have ruled that alcohol isn't inherently dangerous unless abused.* As a result, alcohol manufactures have generally been shielded from civil action. But the dirty little secret is that judges are influenced by societal norms and pressures that cause them to make rulings that won't restrict access to alcohol or increase the cost of alcohol. Such policy concerns would generally not come in to play with hard drugs. Judges would not face societal pressure to shield manufacturers and distributors from the harms associated with their products. Consequently, I don't see drug stores carrying such products for fear of civil action.


*It's reasonably foreseeable that a substantial percentage of alcohol users will become addicted to their products and will harm themselves and others. It's difficult to see why the costs associated with alcohol should borne by society as whole, and not by alcohol producers, distributors, and retailers--the ones profiting from its sale.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 28, 2009, 02:46:59 PM
Meth did a pretty good chewing up some of the smaller towns here in Iowa.  Thankfully, the situation has been getting better, thanks to making it difficult to get pseudoephedrine and increased amounts of law enforcement around the times farmers use ammonia.

To be honest, when it comes to drugs, I think the greater good should win out over "natural rights" which are really just defined by society.  I can't think of too many drugs outside of marijuana that are probably safe enough to legalize.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 28, 2009, 05:36:45 PM
You also seem to forget it is also human nature for most to want order, security, and safety.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on March 28, 2009, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2009, 03:06:36 PM
Here's a fact: criminalizing human nature doesn't work and hasn't worked since the dawn of time.

the present era notwithstanding, Christianity had a pretty damn good run. 
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 28, 2009, 06:34:06 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2009, 06:02:57 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 28, 2009, 05:36:45 PM
You also seem to forget it is also human nature for most to want order, security, and safety.


Come on, stop leaving fastballs over the plate.
You are ignoring my point. Many people in America including most parents don't like "bad" things out there, they want their kids safe and secure. Look at the outrage stuff like a nipple slip on live tv, or violent media...etc get.

You honestly think the public looking at how America's nature is would be ok with legalizing COCAINE?

Your vision of human nature is contrary to the American nature of most of the public.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2009, 03:06:36 PM
Here's a fact: criminalizing human nature doesn't work and hasn't worked since the dawn of time. Any time you outlaw something that a significant number of people want to do, you create a black market that will be catered to. Denying this fact is stupid and naive.

Again, this comports with your anti-immigration stance how?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 29, 2009, 12:15:12 AM
I like how on the last page Shinobi brought up meth being sold in drug stores but now he's saying it's the most addictive and dangerous substance on the planet lol, and then telling people they've been agreeing with him all along

From:

Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2009, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2009, 05:18:33 PM
And you think legalizing hardcore drugs won't effect peace and security? Where do you live again?

If meth, heroin, crack, etc were legalized, the negative effects on society would be less than the negative effects already caused by the drug war.


To:

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Meth is one of the few drugs that is feasible for the average person to make in his or her home. It is also one of the most addictive substances on the planet. These arguments would not apply to the majority of drugs that I have specifically said should be legalized.

But you guys aren't paying attention to what he was posting :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2009, 04:22:30 AM
this conversation sucks
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 29, 2009, 05:33:34 AM
Most drugs that are abused aren't actually physically addictive (ie: alcohol, cocaine, heroin, etc) so drug addiction is probably just a self-control problem.  What I don't get is why you think there are so many benefits to legalization.

Prisons are overcrowding because we gave 25 year sentences for posession.  Most states have amended their three strikes laws so that drug offenders get substance abuse counseling instead of hard jail time.

As for why cops chase around drug cartels and gangsters, it's because they're criminals.  If they're not selling drugs, then they'll just extort businesses or run prostitutes or whatever.  Legalizing drugs won't make them go back to college or anything since they're the type of people who SELL DRUGS TO ADDICTS.  They don't have a socially acceptable moral code I guess.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Homemade Milk on March 29, 2009, 05:56:52 AM
Heil McCain
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
This argument is stupid, can we get back on track. Green Shinobi's ideals of American Society are contrary to the culture and nature of the vast majority of America and will never happen in our lifetimes so this is a stupid thing to keep going in circles on.

Can we get back to REAL politics, aka stuff that is actually happening/could happen?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 11:33:59 AM
Hannity is gonna be at the teaparty protest in Atlanta on April 15th. Right now I'm planning to go, but I don't have anyone to go with.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 11:33:59 AM
Hannity is gonna be at the teaparty protest in Atlanta on April 15th. Right now I'm planning to go, but I don't have anyone to go with.
why!? the teaparty is embarrassing. The Boston Tea Party wasn't about the rich top  1% paying more in taxes it was about being taxed without being represented in government. These people thinking they are being like those in the boston tea party are ignorant fools.

Not a single damn person at these things other than celebs like hannity who show up are paying a single penny more in taxes I am guessing. Such a disgrace.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 29, 2009, 11:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 11:19:37 AM
This argument is stupid, can we get back on track. Green Shinobi's ideals of American Society are contrary to the culture and nature of the vast majority of America and will never happen in our lifetimes so this is a stupid thing to keep going in circles on.

It will almost certainly happen in the next 50 years. Pot will be legal in many states within the next decade.
I am not talking about pot. I am talking about your ideas on cocaine and the like.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
why!? the teaparty is embarrassing. The Boston Tea Party wasn't about the rich top  1% paying more in taxes it was about being taxed without being represented in government. These people thinking they are being like those in the boston tea party are ignorant fools.

Not a single damn person at these things other than celebs like hannity who show up are paying a single penny more in taxes I am guessing. Such a disgrace.

There's more to it than just that.

But hey, keep on believing in that tax cut for 95% of Americans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2009, 12:31:50 PM
No, there really isn't much more to it than that, man.  There was one in Columbus just three weeks ago, and it consisted nothing more of chest-beating from the right.  It was just a four month late political rally.

Oh and dashboard confessional songs?  lol okay
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 12:15:34 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
why!? the teaparty is embarrassing. The Boston Tea Party wasn't about the rich top  1% paying more in taxes it was about being taxed without being represented in government. These people thinking they are being like those in the boston tea party are ignorant fools.

Not a single damn person at these things other than celebs like hannity who show up are paying a single penny more in taxes I am guessing. Such a disgrace.

There's more to it than just that.

But hey, keep on believing in that tax cut for 95% of Americans.
Ok, and you can keep on acussing Obama of going back on a promise that he has yet to do.

You can trash him on that all you want IF HE ACTUALLY GOES AGAINST IT. But guess what he hasn't! Stop assuming he will. He on friday at his townhall even brought up his tax cuts for 95% of Americans. He hasn't shied away from it at all.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 29, 2009, 12:31:50 PM
No, there really isn't much more to it than that, man. 

- bailouts
- debt
- taxes


Quote from: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 12:52:49 PM
He hasn't shied away from it at all.

Tapper specifically asked him Tuesday night if he would sign a budget that did not include middle class tax cuts. If he wasn't shying away from the promise, then his answer would have been an unequivocal "NO".

[youtube=560,345]Z5aoRkfcM_c[/youtube]

Fast forward to 5:15. He didn't do that. Instead, he moved the goalposts to the "tax cut" in the stimulus. How is that not shying away from it? And it goes beyond just 95% of taxpayers paying less taxes. His proposal has always been a fundamental shift in the tax burden on to much fewer people. Right now 38% of eligible taxpayers pay zero federal income taxes. His plan is/was to increase that number to 48-49% of eligible taxpayers.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 29, 2009, 12:31:50 PM
No, there really isn't much more to it than that, man. 

- bailouts
- debt
- taxes

You mean the TARP plan, that was formulated by A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT and supported by THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS? 
You mean the national debt, which doubled under A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS?
What about taxes?  So you're saying you support the idiotic House GOP plan to cut rates to the 10/25 they laid out in their "budget"?

Quote from: siamesedreamer
Quote from: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 12:52:49 PM
He hasn't shied away from it at all.

Tapper specifically asked him Tuesday night if he would sign a budget that did not include middle class tax cuts. If he wasn't shying away from the promise, then his answer would have been an unequivocal "NO".

[youtube=560,345]Z5aoRkfcM_c[/youtube]

Fast forward to 5:15. He didn't do that. Instead, he moved the goalposts to the "tax cut" in the stimulus. How is that not shying away from it? And it goes beyond just 95% of taxpayers paying less taxes. His proposal has always been a fundamental shift in the tax burden on to much fewer people. Right now 38% of eligible taxpayers pay zero federal income taxes. His plan is/was to increase that number to 48-49% of eligible taxpayers.

So?  If they're not making much money and the top 1-5% is, then you go where the money is.  Oh teh noes, they (and I'm not including YOU, cause you don't make more than 250k) are gonna pay 4.6% more in taxes!  This is definitely something on the level of what caused the American Revolution!  ...not.  The "recovery" from the 2001-2002 recession saw like 3/4 of the "wealth" generated go to the top earners. 

In summation, quit being a fucking goober.  I know you're smarter than this.  We're in a major recession right now and guess what helps speed up recovery during a recession?  Deficit spending.  Boo fucking hoo.  You'd have more credibility on the deficit shit if your guys hadn't just doubled the debt in 8 years.  Go away, find some new ways to appeal to middle American voters (here's a hint- quit blatantly hating minorities and pretending that global climate change is made-up; you guys could learn a lot from David Cameron and the Tories) and in the meantime quit embarrassing yourselves.  (Another hint- anything to do with el rushbo or any of the idiot crew from Faux is embarrassing)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 29, 2009, 04:07:59 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 29, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
(here's a hint- quit blatantly hating minorities and pretending that global climate change is made-up; you guys could learn a lot from David Cameron and the Tories)
I am glad someone else here has noticed that as well. I have read a few articles about what Cameron has been doing with the tories, it's really impressive stuff and I wouldn't be suprised to see him be prime minister at some point. But I can't see the modern Republican party following his example, they are waaay too stubborn.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on March 29, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
aww, I missed a Drug argument.  Now I'd just be redundant in calling Green Shinobi ignorant  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2009, 05:24:32 PM
I'm starting to think that GS might need a shitheap style thread all for his own.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
:drudge OBAMA DEMANDED GM'S CEO RESIGN :drudge
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20625.html
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 29, 2009, 07:02:33 PM
bout fuckin time

 :american
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2009, 07:54:43 PM
awesome
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TVC15 on March 29, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
That's the kind of communism I signed up for.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2009, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: Spencer on March 29, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
Obama laughed off Marijuana Policy reform. Fuck that dude.

oh christ
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2009, 08:42:47 PM
Well, it still doesn't change the fact that you missed nearly two pages of that discussion and that it's an issue that most politicians "laugh off."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 29, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
You mean the TARP plan, that was formulated by A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT and supported by THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN CONGRESS? 
You mean the national debt, which doubled under A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS?

Which makes it all the more urgent.


Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 29, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
So?  If they're not making much money and the top 1-5% is, then you go where the money is.  Oh teh noes, they (and I'm not including YOU, cause you don't make more than 250k) are gonna pay 4.6% more in taxes!

Obama's budget cannot solely be financed by a tax increase on the top earners. Further, reducing the number of people who pay into a system that continues to spend and spend and spend puts more burden on those paying for it.  Simple math. Don't tell me you continue to believe in an Obama middle class tax cut too?


Quote from: The Card Cheat on March 29, 2009, 04:02:50 PM
We're in a major recession right now and guess what helps speed up recovery during a recession?  Deficit spending.

That's fine and dandy. But, Obama's deficits continue to increase after the recession is projected to be over:

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/wapoobamabudget1-1.jpg)

Even Orszag admitted last week that Obama's deficits of > 4% GDP are untenable. They double Bush's double.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 29, 2009, 09:05:29 PM
I don't know why it's such a surprise that Obama is doing all this. He campaigned on all of it.

It's what the majority of people voted for.

You think Obama is going to promise to do all of the stuff he campaigned on just to win and say:

"Sorry I said all that shit, but we broke lol."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2009, 09:07:37 PM
How long do we prop up a dying corporation? I understand GM/Ford failing would lead to economic hurt but seriously, when does this end?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
None of that is a good reason to go hang out with the tea party wankers, dude.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 29, 2009, 09:18:45 PM
Industry sources had said the White House planned very tough medicine in Monday's announcement, which turned out to be an understatement. And it went to the very top. The measures to be imposed by the government will have a dramatic effect on workers, unions, suppliers, bondholders, shareholders, retirees and the communities where plants are located, the sources said.

If Obama announces tomorrow that he's voiding a single union contract, then I'll use a special Obama avatar of the Obamists' choosing for 6 months.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 29, 2009, 09:57:16 PM
I love everyone cheering the GM CEO getting canned. "hurray! strike one for the little guy!"

Just wait until they announce his golden parachute ... :lol



http://industry.bnet.com/auto/1000284/gm-ceo-wagoner-has-a-likely-golden-parachute-too/


So, a 15 million dollar payout upfront and a 19 million dollar retirement.




Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 29, 2009, 10:02:27 PM
TA with the annihilation. Anyway succeed at becoming a CEO, fail at everything else = still get paid.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2009, 10:53:27 PM
How is that annihilation

also
[youtube=560,345]lo7TNGhmKpQ[/youtube]
He's like a black version of Michael, from the Office. same facial expressions  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2009, 11:15:42 PM
The new VP of Dunder Miflin should take Steele's job, he's a much better black dude.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on March 29, 2009, 11:18:54 PM
He canceled Micheal's 15th anniversary party. Fuck him!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2009, 12:32:28 AM
Rick Wagoner is a scapegoat so that there isn't another AIG-style uproar. The man has spent all his time as CEO trying to clean up the messes of his predecessors. For the 4-5 years preceding the global recession, GM's sales climbed on a global basis. They went from making the worst interiors in the business to some of the best. They saw huge jumps in quality. He even got favorable new UAW contracts. Oh, and he got them turned onto hybrids, switched gears from SUVs to cars and crossovers, and until the new Fusion came out he had the most fuel efficient midsize cars in the country. Still has the most fuel efficient compact, fullsize SUV, and pickup.

That said, he's pretty much done what he was going to do and having a new face on the operation might be a good thing for the sort of people who weren't paying attention to GM's progress in the first place.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2009, 09:07:37 PM
How long do we prop up a dying corporation? I understand GM/Ford failing would lead to economic hurt but seriously, when does this end?

Ford isn't failing.

Chrysler got bailed out in 1980, paid back its loans in interest and was in solid shape until Mercedes tore them to shreds 25 years later. Unfortunately they did such a thorough job of it that I'd agree with you that Obama should let Chrysler die off. Which he pretty much did with his 30 day deadline.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 12:34:45 AM
From a design perspective, the Mercedes years for Chrysler were pretty good.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 30, 2009, 12:38:15 AM
Chrysler was hugely profitable in 1998, kept Mercedes afloat for years after the merger, then started stacking up losses in 2003 or 2004 or so. Which is around the time that Mercedes stopped giving them money for new vehicle developments, their interiors turned to shit, and now they have so few vehicles in the pipeline that they have to start rebadging Fiats.

It was Mercedes' idea to give them 0 compact sedans and try to force Dodge to go hatchback-exclusive. The shitfuck Sebring and Avenger come from their lack of funds. Their thin-ass lineup is from Mercedes' idea to force all dealerships to stock all three brands and reduce the number of models at each  brand.


What good vehicles came out under Mercedes' stewardship? The LX cars and the Grand Cherokee, which were already in the pipeline before the merger. Mercedes gave them the Pacifica, Crossfire, Aspen, Caliber.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 30, 2009, 03:06:19 AM
Jeep has sucked since they took over (Liberty  :yuck)


Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 30, 2009, 07:57:26 AM
People are more put off by your logic than your research.  Boogie works in law enforcement so I'm sure that he has a bigger interest than any of us in reducing drug crime.  Legalization doesn't guarantee that crime based on the legalized drugs will stop.

I mean, consider that if this was legalized that it would still have a sin tax like alcohol or cigarettes.  The Russian Mafia made a pretty penny for a while smuggling in vodka with food coloring by claiming it was detergent.  That's also one of the reasons why cigarette trucks don't have logos.  Cigarettes are as good as money because of how easy they are to move.

It seems most likely that the former drug dealers will go from drug dealing to "smuggling".  Which is the exact same thing that they were doing before, but just with less jailtime.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Propagandhim on March 30, 2009, 08:23:56 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 29, 2009, 11:43:09 PM
On that subject, fuck all those evangelical loonies who trash the idea of a world currency because it's supposed to bring about the antichrist. Bring on a world currency. People shouldn't have to worry about their currency arbitrarily losing 30% of its value for no real reason.

But, then how will I make money doing nothing?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2009, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 30, 2009, 07:42:04 AM
Quote from: Boogie on March 29, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
aww, I missed a Drug argument.  Now I'd just be redundant in calling Green Shinobi ignorant  :-\

I bet, no, I fucking GUARANTEE that I have done more research on the drug war, its history, the effects of illegal drugs both positive and negative, and their various addiction rates than you have. I fucking guarantee that shit with my dick and both nuts as collateral.

Well, your posts sure aren't reflecting this.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 30, 2009, 08:35:50 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 30, 2009, 07:42:04 AM
Quote from: Boogie on March 29, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
aww, I missed a Drug argument.  Now I'd just be redundant in calling Green Shinobi ignorant  :-\

I bet, no, I fucking GUARANTEE that I have done more research on the drug war, its history, the effects of illegal drugs both positive and negative, and their various addiction rates than you have. I fucking guarantee that shit with my dick and both nuts as collateral.

ahahahahahahah

You are ridiculous, GS
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 30, 2009, 09:10:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2009, 10:53:27 PM
How is that annihilation

also
[youtube=560,345]lo7TNGhmKpQ[/youtube]
He's like a black version of Michael, from the Office. same facial expressions  :lol
I love how he compares running for the senate/lt. gov in the same sort of "history" making terms as being the first Black President. Steeley, there have been black senators and lt. governors long before you.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2009, 09:13:23 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 30, 2009, 08:51:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 30, 2009, 08:29:59 AM
Well, your posts sure aren't reflecting this.

And I'm sure you're an encyclopedia on the subject.

Well, no.  But I never claimed to be, and I'm not the one who just wagered his genitals on how solid his credentials are.
Title: Help! Help! Ad hominem! *clutches pearls*
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2009, 09:21:26 AM
Hey, I'm being nice!

I'm not saying you haven't read up.  I'm saying that you haven't used it in your posts.  Go back and read them.

It's mostly speculation and anecdote.  Hey it's the internetz and we're not being graded, but you can't go on like that then turn around and demand that people respect your authoritah.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Kestastrophe on March 30, 2009, 09:50:56 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 29, 2009, 09:57:16 PM
I love everyone cheering the GM CEO getting canned. "hurray! strike one for the little guy!"

I don't think that's why everyone is happy that he got canned. He has been CEO of his company longer than any of the other big three CEO's, so he has had time to right the ship so to speak, but has failed to do so at every opportunity. This is in stark contrast to Ford's Mulally, who seems to be doing a stand up job in tough times. I am personally happy because I think it's pathetic that GM's board didn't get rid of Wagoner years ago
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 12:52:41 PM
What the hell was the point of that press conference?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 30, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 12:52:41 PM
What the hell was the point of that press conference?

...To clarify the GM business agreement?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 30, 2009, 01:52:27 PM
siamesedreamer is like my mother - who hates Obama (she calls him "King Obama") and thinks he has more press conferences than a President should because he likes being on television so much.

I'd like to think Obama's public appearances are normal for your average President, but just feels like sensory overload considering the attention surrounding his Presidency and the fact that Bush spent half his first term in Texas rather than D.C.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 30, 2009, 02:10:03 PM
i am thinking republicans prefer to remain ignorant about what their government is doing
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 30, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Well, he did campaign on the fact he would open up the white house and make his decisions far more public than in the past so it makes sense.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2009, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 30, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Well, he did campaign on the fact he would open up the white house and make his decisions far more public than in the past so it makes sense.

except for the stimulus which he didn't give anyone the time to read :drudge
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2009, 02:27:01 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 30, 2009, 02:10:03 PM
i am thinking republicans prefer to remain ignorant about what their government is doing

I am thinking Republicans would rather the govt. not do anything, so they see anything done by the govt. as a negative.*




*tax cuts and bombing brown people obviously don't count
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20634.html

SMH
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on March 30, 2009, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20634.html

SMH

so dumb.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on March 30, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
Washington politics are so nasty.  I know that's the captain obvious statement of the century, but I sometimes forget how dirty it gets.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2009, 02:43:14 PM
Not even Minnesota's 2012 sniffing governor is playing along with these bullshit claims. Suggestion that the electoral process has been tampered with is a serious charge, yet the GOP has already shown they have no qualms playing that card. It just stirs up the frenzied horde even more

Guess what Coleman: YOU LOST
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2009, 03:00:21 PM
Republican know they lost. It is just a scumbag tactic to keep Franken off the seat for as long as legally possible. Franken would give the Dems the 59th seat or 58th? I lost track. That one vote is very important to the republicans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 30, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 12:52:41 PM
What the hell was the point of that press conference?

...To clarify the GM business agreement?

What's the agreement?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 03:17:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 30, 2009, 01:48:47 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on March 30, 2009, 12:52:41 PM
What the hell was the point of that press conference?

...To clarify the GM business agreement?

What's the agreement?

...order cars, pay with snakes?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on March 30, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 30, 2009, 03:00:21 PM
Republican know they lost. It is just a scumbag tactic to keep Franken off the seat for as long as legally possible. Franken would give the Dems the 59th seat or 58th? I lost track. That one vote is very important to the republicans.
59th according to that article.  When is the Minnesota supreme court going announce its decision?

I just thought about how awesome it would be to see a Charlie Rose interview with Franken and Coleman after the court's decision.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 30, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 30, 2009, 03:00:21 PM
Republican know they lost. It is just a scumbag tactic to keep Franken off the seat for as long as legally possible. Franken would give the Dems the 59th seat or 58th? I lost track. That one vote is very important to the republicans.
59th according to that article.  When is the Minnesota supreme court going announce its decision?

I just thought about how awesome it would be to see a Charlie Rose interview with Franken and Coleman after the court's decision.

Unfortunately, the Minn. Supreme Court isn't hearing this case- a special electoral court comprised of three judges is.  So that means that Coleman can inevitably appeal to the Minn. SC after the electoral court rules against him, which will probably happen sometime this week.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2009, 09:06:03 PM
Heard an odd comment on sports radio earlier. I listen to the bigger Detroit sports radio stations, so they were of course talking about the auto industry news. At one point some dude called in and started towing the "revolution" line, stating there are like 600 elected officials+judges in the US, compared to 300mil American citizens, and how the officials will keep doing dumb shit until Americans say enough's enough.

Talk about delusions of grandeur, especially coming from such a small minority of the country's political makeup. smh. Glen Beck...damn
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 31, 2009, 01:35:54 AM
Quote
Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion.

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

After being told it was an apparition, Clinton apparently persisted, asking, "But who painted the painting, the roses," before being informed again that God was the artist in question.

:lol Poor Hillary
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2009, 01:38:01 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 31, 2009, 01:35:54 AM
Quote
Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion.

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

After being told it was an apparition, Clinton apparently persisted, asking, "But who painted the painting, the roses," before being informed again that God was the artist in question.


 :lol Poor Hillary

Ha!  And people were worried about Biden.  Speaking of which, Joe the Biden has been keeping a pretty low profile as of late.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2009, 01:39:48 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on March 31, 2009, 01:35:54 AM
Quote
Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion.

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”

After being told it was an apparition, Clinton apparently persisted, asking, "But who painted the painting, the roses," before being informed again that God was the artist in question.

:lol Poor Hillary

I smell a creationist analogy

Malek annihilated again
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on March 31, 2009, 05:26:00 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 31, 2009, 03:45:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2009, 02:28:55 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20634.html

SMH

Obstructicons. What would the massive transformer they combine into be named?

Impedephile?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 31, 2009, 09:52:08 PM
Anyone got an update on the NY-20 election?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2009, 10:01:34 PM
http://buckeyestateblog.com/ny_20_results_chat

live chat following the race. I'm tempted to troll

results will be here soon
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2009/by_county/NY_US_House_0331.html?SITE=NYSAR&SECTION=POLITICS

Tedisco has an early lead
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on March 31, 2009, 10:25:57 PM
The Tedisco name sounds familiar.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2009, 10:35:05 PM
dem jumped from 48% to 50%. I smell Acorn

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 31, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
this is less than 100 vote led for the dem. This race won't be called any time soon. I smell a recount coming.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2009, 11:35:48 PM
Ah, another recount, another chance for republicans to raise bullshit claims about election tampering

edit: nevermind

Quote
From Sean at 538: "There are roughly 6,000 uncounted absentee ballots."
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on March 31, 2009, 11:38:11 PM
the gop has got this due to that, they tend to do well among those
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 01:41:39 AM
Oh, come the fuck on. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20728.html)

I mean, really.  REALLY.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2009, 02:21:41 AM
I'd hit it so hard, as long as she wore a scarf. Turkey neck  :yuck
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 02:26:41 AM
So it looks like after April 7 we go to the next Coleman lawsuit.  I predict that Franken will be seated sometime in September.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2009, 02:28:05 AM
So I'm guessing we'll have WWIII before Halloween then?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 09:09:48 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 01, 2009, 01:41:39 AM
Oh, come the fuck on. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20728.html)

I mean, really.  REALLY.

Dude it was Tuesday.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 01, 2009, 09:16:00 AM
Who said Obama's new stimulus plan is to nominate everyone for administration positions, so they have to pay their back taxes?  It's true!
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 09:16:21 AM
ADP JOBS MARCH -742k
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 10:38:03 AM
Quote
In a move sure to spark outrage, the White House announced today that GM and Chrysler must cease participation in NASCAR at the end of the 2009 season if they hope to receive any additional financial aid from the government.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news)

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 01, 2009, 10:56:10 AM
Oh, he's gonna get shot now
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2009, 11:13:18 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 10:38:03 AM
Quote
In a move sure to spark outrage, the White House announced today that GM and Chrysler must cease participation in NASCAR at the end of the 2009 season if they hope to receive any additional financial aid from the government.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news)

Good. But I think it's hypocritical to allow banks names on stadiums who also received govt. funding.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 01, 2009, 11:27:31 AM
GMail is also implementing automatic email response technology, so you don't even have to check your inbox!

www.gmail.com
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 11:34:16 AM
Oooh!  Oooh!  It's Republican Budget Day!

lol 3 minutes in and already spending freeze.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 11:41:28 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 01, 2009, 11:13:18 AM
...I think it's hypocritical to allow banks names on stadiums who also received govt. funding.

Obama must be a closet Met fan. Just think, that $20M from Citi is paying K-Rod's salary.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2009, 11:44:59 AM
or a closet Man Utd. fan.

(http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/sports_aig.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
Newcastle's sponsored by Northern Rock, which was nationalized by the UK.  Man Utd's at the top of the table, while Newcastle is in danger of being relegated.

Ergo, the US is finally beating the Brits at soccer.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2009, 12:39:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 10:38:03 AM
Quote
In a move sure to spark outrage, the White House announced today that GM and Chrysler must cease participation in NASCAR at the end of the 2009 season if they hope to receive any additional financial aid from the government.


http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/motorsports/obama_orders_chevrolet_and_dodge_out_of_nascar_car_news)



 ???
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Obama just gave the Queen of England an iPod lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Barry Egan on April 01, 2009, 02:16:46 PM
probably only works on American Macs lolz.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Obama just gave the Queen of England an iPod lol.

SMH

he needs fucking schooled in gift giving.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Obama just gave the Queen of England an iPod lol.

SMH

he needs fucking schooled in gift giving.
It's better than her gift to him still. She gave him a framed photo of herself lol.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2009, 02:22:17 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:21:05 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Obama just gave the Queen of England an iPod lol.

SMH

he needs fucking schooled in gift giving.
It's better than her gift to him still. She gave him a framed photo of herself lol.

 :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on April 01, 2009, 03:07:46 PM
It's stupid not allowing them to sponsor Nascar teams.  Nascar fans by far respond the most to product placement (because loyalty to the driver or something?) so it should cause more profit in the end if anything.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 01, 2009, 03:13:41 PM
No one else is reporting that NASCAR thing, it's an April Fool's joke.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 01, 2009, 03:22:03 PM
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/latest_news_reviews/car_and_driver_ordered_to_cease_operations_at_end_of_season_car_news

Quote
Car and Driver Ordered to Cease Operations at End of Season - Car News

Obama deems the magazine “unnecessary and wasteful to the environment,” and judges its editorial "tawdry and irrelevant."

BY SAMUEL CLEMENTS, PHOTOGRAPHY BY JEFFREY G. RUSSELL
April 2009

 

In a move sure to spark outrage, the White House announced today that Car and Driver must cease publication at the end of 2009. While publications around the globe have already felt the pinch of the economy and drawn fire for wasting precious energy in production and delivery, enormous amounts of paper in their “hard copy” pages, and contributing to landfill saturation, this announcement was stunning.

A complete shutdown of the rarely read publication would divert more than 250 million tons of paper from landfills a year, and save a substantial amount of CO2 emissions, the White House said.

“Print publications such as Car and Driver used to be read religiously but in the internet age they are irrelevant and wasteful,” said the statement from President Obama.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
april fools joke
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 01, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
Really? Thanks
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2009, 02:19:14 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 01, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Obama just gave the Queen of England an iPod lol.

SMH

he needs fucking schooled in gift giving.

He also gave her an original Rodgers songbook, so that's an improvement.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2009, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2009, 04:59:33 PM
How would that get us out of a recession

how
Title: Cut taxes on the rich! Privatize services! Why didn't we think of that?
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2009, 05:00:40 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D

As a policy shop, the GOP is done.  As a source of self-parody, they're unchallenged.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 01, 2009, 05:00:48 PM
Tax cuts: A very innovative solution. I didn't even see it coming from the Republicans.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 05:04:01 PM
Perhaps if they threw in something about deregulating the financial industry...
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 01, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
Time to unshackle the invisible hand.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Malek on April 01, 2009, 05:00:48 PM
Tax cuts: A very innovative solution. I didn't even see it coming from the Republicans.

See, they've properly diagnosed the source of our economic woes:  the producers in our society are tired of high marginal tax rates punishing their success and have decided to go Galt (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ask-dr-helen-is-it-time-to-go-john-galt/).
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 05:07:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2009, 04:59:33 PM
How would that get us out of a recession

how

Sir, this is just a mental recession.  What's most important now is to get that deficit under control! 




...and give rich people tax cuts.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 01, 2009, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 01, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
Quote from: Malek on April 01, 2009, 05:00:48 PM
Tax cuts: A very innovative solution. I didn't even see it coming from the Republicans.

See, they've properly diagnosed the source of our economic woes:  the producers in our society are tired of high marginal tax rates punishing their success and have decided to go Galt (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/ask-dr-helen-is-it-time-to-go-john-galt/).

Now we must go to the far-off mountains to beg those creative producers to please come back.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 01, 2009, 05:10:45 PM
I just realized that as a former 13-year-old prodigy who's done fuck all since then, I've been going Galt for most of my adolescent/adult life.  :rockingoutemoticonthatdoesntseemtobeinthesmileypickerdialogandthatIwontbotherfindingasaprotestagainstsociety
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2009, 05:12:36 PM
:rock

I guessed it on the first try. :smug
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D

What a complete and utter joke. How can they sit there and criticize Obama's projected deficits when their plan runs $500B+ deficits as well? Is there anyone left in the GOP with a brain?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2009, 05:35:30 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D

What a complete and utter joke. How can they sit there and criticize Obama's projected deficits when their plan runs $500B+ deficits as well? Is there anyone left in the GOP with a brain?

no.  they went galt.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 05:38:21 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D

What a complete and utter joke. How can they sit there and criticize Obama's projected deficits when their plan runs $500B+ deficits as well? Is there anyone left in the GOP with a brain?

Again... this is a severe recession.  Big deficits come with the territory.  Or would you like some shoe soup tonight?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Veidt on April 01, 2009, 05:41:01 PM
Obama is gonna change world bitches. :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2009, 05:44:11 PM
Here's a challenge.  Outline a program the Republicans could propose that would:

1) actually address the current set of national problems

2) be politically feasible

3) accords with modern American conservatism



I'm willing to accept some fudging on #2.  The point is, what would a smart Republican counter-proposal actually look like?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Rman on April 01, 2009, 05:46:04 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on April 01, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Repubs propose big tax cuts, spending freezes, stimulus rollbacks, endless deficits

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_budget

2G2D

What a complete and utter joke. How can they sit there and criticize Obama's projected deficits when their plan runs {&dollarfix;}500B+ deficits as well? Is there anyone left in the GOP with a brain?
Did anyone in the GOP ever have a brain?

j/k
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 01, 2009, 05:46:12 PM
i should study up on how to get a job with the irs

being as not having to pay anymore seems to be one of the perks, and all
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 06:12:01 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 01, 2009, 05:38:21 PM
Again... this is a severe recession.  Big deficits come with the territory.  Or would you like some shoe soup tonight?

The point is their plan is just as fiscally wreckless as Obama's over the long run.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 01, 2009, 06:18:46 PM
Quote
California Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D) on Tuesday told Capitol Hill reporters that she is skeptical of the Employee Free Choice Act, possibly dealing another deadly blow to the legislation.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sen.-feinstein-not-sold-on-card-check-bill-2009-03-31.html (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sen.-feinstein-not-sold-on-card-check-bill-2009-03-31.html)

 :kylielaff :kylielaff :kylielaff
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 06:24:06 PM
Yeah, DiFi is running for guv probably and probably wants to separate herself from the rest of the (stereotypically Cali liberal) pack in the primary.  At least that's what Nate Silver thinks this means.

Also, these are Democrats- of course they're gonna press for big, sweeping legislation like EFCA when they know it has no chance of being signed into law, but will waffle and prevaricate when they could actually, you know, DO it.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 01, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
Quote
A trio of actors from the "West Wing" TV show took aim at Specter's decision Tuesday at a press conference to promote the bill. Bradley Whitford, who played Josh Lyman on the NBC show, said Specter took the easy way out.

"He is down 15 points in polling, coming from the right in the Republican primary," Whitford said.

"You cannot allow compromise on the fundamental right of workers to actually be able to form a union. It's disappointing. It sounds to me like he's more worried about his job than his constituents' jobs."

Asked if they had met with Feinstein to learn her concerns, the actors said no such meeting had been arranged.

"But we would welcome that opportunity," said actor Martin Sheen, who portrayed President Josiah Bartlet on the show.

this part is an april fool's gag, correct?
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: brawndolicious on April 01, 2009, 06:29:51 PM
I wouldn't exactly call Feinstein a liberal.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 01, 2009, 06:32:49 PM
nevermind, i see that it is real

someone needs to tell these people that they're not even pretend politicians anymore
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 06:33:45 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on April 01, 2009, 06:32:49 PM
nevermind, i see that it is real

someone needs to tell these people that they're not even pretend politicians anymore

No, but as union members I think they have a stake in the discussions.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 01, 2009, 06:36:10 PM
it's the whole "we want to meet with her" bullshit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 06:46:32 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on April 01, 2009, 06:36:10 PM
it's the whole "we want to meet with her" bullshit

Yeah, that's pretty lame.

However, Democratic politicians like to use celebs' popularity in photo ops and campaigns (see:  Brad Pitt meeting with Nancy Pelosi a couple weeks ago, Springsteen campaigning for Kerry and Obama) so a two way street isn't out of the realm of feasibility.  Also, they're probably her constituents.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Oblivion on April 01, 2009, 07:39:34 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 01, 2009, 04:59:33 PM
How would that get us out of a recession

how

"We're in a recession?  ???"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Boogie on April 01, 2009, 08:09:07 PM
btw, I'm digging the Richard Schiff avatar, Triumph.  :rock
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2009, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: Boogie on April 01, 2009, 08:09:07 PM
btw, I'm digging the Richard Schiff avatar, Triumph.  :rock

Toby Ziegler is my hero.

*YELLS AT ASSISTANT, PRESIDENT AND ANYONE CLOSE BY*
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2009, 04:36:42 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/01/stephen-colbert-rips-apar_n_181673.html
omfg :lol

First time I've seen those Beck clips. Holy shit
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 02, 2009, 06:44:06 AM
:bow James Wolcott (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/05/james-wolcott200905?currentPage=1) :bow2

Quote
What’s Wrong with Washington?
Washington has always been out of sync with the rest of America, but since Obama’s election, Beltway pundits seem more stubbornly and stupendously irrelevant than ever. Have three decades of being wired for Republican power blown their jittery, Twittering minds?
by James Wolcott May 2009

...

In the first weeks of the Obama administration, “bipartisanship” was the reigning buzzword, and when the Beltway thinks bipartisan, it pictures President Reagan and Democratic Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill putting aside their differences and forging a legislative partnership, a ruddy pair of genial patriarchs bonding over the Blarney Stone. (Their Sunshine Boys routine supplies the first point of reference for nearly every stream of consciousness Sam Donaldson wades into on This Week.) If only the ghosts of the Gipper and the Tipper could inspire similar outreaches across the aisle, pined the Beltway oracles, playing matchmaker. When the newly elected Obama was assembling his Cabinet, Time reporter Karen Tumulty, writing for the magazine’s Swampland blog, offered “an out-of-the-box suggestion” for who should become health-and-human-services secretary—former Republican governor and candidate Mitt Romney, that aerosol can that couldn’t. As with so many who pride themselves on thinking outside the box, Tumulty would have been better off closing the cardboard flaps instead. Such stunt-casting would have dashed any hopes of a political future for Romney within the Republican Party against the jagged rocks, and stuck the Obama administration with a possible prima donna, violating its no-drama edict. Throwing Romney’s name into the hopper reflected the fetish that Washington entertains for a centrism that converts everything to mush.

At his Trail Mix blog at Congressional Quarterly’s site, Craig Crawford ventured even farther outside the box—and into the ozone—to unveil his own magic pick for H.H.S. secretary: Mr. Flour Power himself, Newt Gingrich. Anticipating the rhubarb this selection would provoke, Crawford wrote:

       Now before you lefties have a collective heart attack, think about it. Something as big as overhauling our entire health care system will be tougher to get done on a purely partisan basis. There are Republicans who want to play.
       As much as it would infuriate liberals, picking Gingrich would be a hyper-bipartisan move.

Only within the Beltway popcorn popper could Gingrich, whose serpent tongue and ogre ego did so much to polarize discourse in the 1990s and abort reform, be considered a foxy catch. Only in Washington, D.C., could Gingrich, a magpie of futurist jargon and a bumptious opportunist, pass himself off as an iconoclastic force and centrifuge of ideas, a cross between Buckminster Fuller and Che Guevara leading a commando raid on the buffet table. And only within the punditocracy could “hyper-bipartisan” be bandied about as an aphrodisiac.

...

With the election of Obama and the identity branding of MSNBC as an anti–Fox News Justice League, there is some evidence of rewiring taking place, certain clusters of once-firing neurons falling dormant. Webmeister Matt Drudge’s bugle calls no longer send the media swinging from the monkey bars; hardy and unrepentant, radio host Rush Limbaugh has been re-inflated for one last hurrah, hogging the spotlight until the glow of his fancy cigar is finally extinguished; Ann Coulter has whittled down into a novelty act; the neoconservatives, whose virile rhetoric helped dig so many graves in the Bush era, grace us by their absence; the policy wonks fielded by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute give off less of a power hum. (If anything, it’s Wall Street rather than Washington, D.C., that seems wired Republican down to the slightest twitch, with CNBC serving as the conning tower of supply-siders, flat-taxers, Laffer-curve zealots, Reaganauts, hedge-fund ringmasters, and deposed Masters of the Universe who defend corporate interests and decry labor to the last drop of their protein shakes.) As Tucker Carlson pointed out at this February’s annual cpac (Conservative Political Action Conference), in Washington, D.C., so much of the tomahawk fever mobilizing the conservative movement since 1992 was raw, unrefined Clinton hatred—a visceral loathing that transcended doctrinal differences and fused Billary into a burning focal point. Obama doesn’t rouse the same foaming action, except in fringe, nativist, gun-toting-Jesus blogs buried so deep in the reeds of the Internet swamp that even Fox News bookers wouldn’t handle them with sterilized tongs. The trillionaire spending sluicing through the system will flood the defenses of the permanent lobbying-consulting-appropriations apparatus, shifting the sandbars and the magnetic fields of Washington influence. (In 1993, Clinton couldn’t get a $16 billion stimulus bill passed through Congress.) To be wired Republican when the agenda is being set by the Obama–Rahm Emanuel muscle machine is to risk being dial-up in a broadband era, a dinky holdover.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: huckleberry on April 02, 2009, 09:52:43 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2009, 04:36:42 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/01/stephen-colbert-rips-apar_n_181673.html
omfg :lol

First time I've seen those Beck clips. Holy shit

 :o

That Beck guy is fucking awesome...had never seen him before.  He is a tragedy waiting to happen.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 02, 2009, 11:58:54 AM
Nothing like changing the accounting rules midstream so the foxes can begin guarding the hen house. Now us taxpayers will be on the hook for even more when these assets are sold for a far higher value than they otherwise would have been.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fragamemnon on April 02, 2009, 01:18:22 PM
yeah the new calvinball accounting they adopted really eases pressure on the banks by allowing them to prevent write-downs, but at the same time is awful for investors trying to evaluate the worth of the company. Not a huge fan of the move.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
The economy business confuses me.  :-\
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 01:52:09 PM
if you ever wanted to members of the house and senate like john thune, bob casey...etc play basketball you have your wish:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20804.html

holy shit they are TERRIBLE at this. almost painful.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 02, 2009, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 02, 2009, 01:43:32 PM
The economy business confuses me.  :-\

This morning they changed the accounting rules for asset valuation. Previously, assets had to be valued at the price the market will bear. But, this put tremendous pressure on the banks' capital structure because they were constantly having to write down the value of their toxic assets. It was making them insolvent on paper. Now, under the new rules, the banks don't have to do that. They can basically value these assets as they wish. So, we have to trust the people who got us in this mess to accurately value their own toxic assets. The market loves it of course because now the banks can suddenly be made solvent. It amounts to government encouraged lack of transparency. There's probably more intricacies than that, but its the basic jist of the situation.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Crushed on April 02, 2009, 04:45:20 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/wl4o5g.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 02, 2009, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 02, 2009, 05:14:40 PM
The problem with mark to market rules is it doesn't account for situations like the one we are in right now.  The changes might be necessary short term so banks aren't crushed underneath the wight of assets that might have value but are essentially valueless, but I hope (lord I hope) that this is only temporary and that real regulation will follow to fix the underlying cause of the problem.

My problem is that they really seem uninterested in taking the problem to the root. They seem happy enough to prop up a system that they mostly know is disfunctional but aren't willing to offer up alternatives that might actually reshape the system into some workable.

Seems like this is just the first turn on the merry-go-round, more times to follow.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 02, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=351 (http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=351)

Make sure you're sitting down before reading that.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 02, 2009, 07:33:30 PM
well, assuming that's largely an accurate assessment and not wonk hysteria, then the streets really SHOULD run red with the blood of the heads of our financial enterprises and all the deregulators that enabled them.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 02, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
That article is poorly sourced enough for me to chalk it up to wonk hysteria.
not only that, look at the main page. It looks like it was built with some geocities site builder. Full of giant ads and weird cookie cutter images.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 02, 2009, 06:40:26 PM
http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=351 (http://us1.institutionalriskanalytics.com/pub/IRAstory.asp?tag=351)

Make sure you're sitting down before reading that.

My tinfoil hat theory vindicated.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 02, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
The coming years are gonna be tough for sd- he's already linking to crackpot sites and attending "tea parties", just imagine what he'll be like when the economy REALLY starts turning around and Obama gets credit for it.  I predict he and FoC go Galt together.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 02, 2009, 07:57:07 PM
Yeah, if the recession turns around late this year or next year, and Obama gets the credit for it, I imagine those two will move to Burma or something.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 02, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
My only problem is that we already have the right-wing tards getting the vapors over relatively minor events.

If they're actually willing to "go Galt" over pretty moderate policies, why not take them up on it and go for the gold? Go for some real necessary changes.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 02, 2009, 09:39:06 PM
Cheebs' fantasy made reality!

Reporters given phone sex line instead of actual conference number for Hillary Clinton's White House conference call. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/02/reporters-want-hillary-clinton-get-phone-sex-line/)  :lol
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
So what does everyone think about this whole Obama saving the day between France and China.

Sarkozy and the China guy were screaming at each other about some tax haven thing and Obama walked over to them and took them to a corner and mediated a deal between 'em.

Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 02, 2009, 11:03:31 PM
I'm kind of amazed by the whole G-20 thing in general.  Sarkozy and other European states heads were barking all week that they weren't going to take what Obama was selling, they weren't going to drink the Obama kool-aid, walking out, etc.

He stepped up in the international spotlight and made a strong democratic debut.

I like having a President that everyone doesn't hate! :rock
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 02, 2009, 11:23:48 PM
yes but IS HE A SOCIALIST?  WELL FIND OUT AFTER THE BREAK
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
Yeah, I mean this image pretty much sums up the European leaders reaction to him:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1305/slide_1305_19231_large.jpg)
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Eric P on April 02, 2009, 11:48:23 PM
"we can't be racist.  we have black president friend"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 02, 2009, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
Yeah, I mean this image pretty much sums up the European leaders reaction to him:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1305/slide_1305_19231_large.jpg)

Haha, if there ever was a picture that epitomized, "Thank God you're here and not the other guy!"
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 12:05:23 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 02, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
That article is poorly sourced enough for me to chalk it up to wonk hysteria.

Maybe. But, with what has transpired so far is it really that far out of the realm of possibilities that there were side letters and the defaults were never intended to be covered?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 01:42:54 AM
Done.

Black President gettin' things done. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 01:43:16 AM
This is the era of Obama! Hope! Change!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 01:47:26 AM
Afghanistan is also gettin' thangs done by legalizing rape, which has been a thorn in the side of too many Afghanis since the fall of the Taliban! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30014515/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 03, 2009, 01:51:03 AM
Rapin' bitches and poppin poppy seeds. Sounds like a land of opportunity financially and sexually.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 01:54:22 AM
(http://imgur.com/E11HN.jpg)


Oops, you got a boner on national tv.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on April 03, 2009, 01:56:54 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 01:57:13 AM
I think you posted in the wrong topic, Toxy. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on April 03, 2009, 02:03:43 AM
WTF? this isn't the outside links thread! where am I?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 02:05:35 AM
 :lol

Oh well .. maybe it's more fitting for this thread.


WHO MOVED MY THREAD?! DAMMIT


Title: An excuse to bring this back
Post by: Mandark on April 03, 2009, 02:09:48 AM
Cliff Notes for sd's posts in this thread:

[youtube=560,345]jQzI3k39Cfw&ap=%2526fmt%3D18[/youtube]
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 03, 2009, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
Yeah, I mean this image pretty much sums up the European leaders reaction to him:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1305/slide_1305_19231_large.jpg)

Yeah some of you need to read up on international affairs. Berlusconi would be an awesome drinking buddy and not much else. And the Russians eh.

All smiles fro the camera now but we'll see what happens when the shit hits the fan. Hopefully Obama's charm and rationale still prevails.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 03, 2009, 05:41:06 AM
Berlusconi  is a very bad man, and the russian.... So much deception in that picture, it's mindblowing.
Obama-watch out, there are rats around you man.
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 03, 2009, 08:35:28 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on April 03, 2009, 02:38:23 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 02, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
Yeah, I mean this image pretty much sums up the European leaders reaction to him:
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1305/slide_1305_19231_large.jpg)

Yeah some of you need to read up on international affairs. Berlusconi would be an awesome drinking buddy and not much else. And the Russians eh.

All smiles fro the camera now but we'll see what happens when the shit hits the fan. Hopefully Obama's charm and rationale still prevails.

I'm pretty sure he's aware of all of their drawbacks, but what's the harm on putting on a charm offensive? If he wants to play hardball later he's just in a better position to do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 09:30:46 AM
Jobs Report:

March -663k
Unemployment rate 8.5%

Jan revised down from -655K to -741k
No February revision

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 03, 2009, 10:23:04 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 09:30:46 AM
Jobs Report:

March -663k
Unemployment rate 8.5%

Jan revised down from -655K to -741k
No February revision


The economy is looking somewhat up lately, seems we've already seen the bottom, most reports show improvement. Job reports always lag. I've noticed that is becoming the general consensus as of late, that things are starting to seem to be getting better.

CARLA BRUNI. :heart. I love how you see the french public in the background fawning over Obama, such a difference from Bush.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/03/article-1166637-0443C680000005DC-265_638x423.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/03/article-1166637-0443C680000005DC-265_638x423.jpg)


Oh and Obama is doing a town hall right now IN FRANCE. The French public are asking him questions.  :lol


Oh and the Russian President calls Obama his comrade and says he is way easier to deal with than Bush:
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090403/twl-russia-us-g20-diplomacy-missile-7e07afd.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 10:29:52 AM
Obama is a smooth International pimp! :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 03, 2009, 11:12:49 AM
you just KNOW he's fucked all their wives at the post-convention swingers party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 11:17:50 AM
Prole, what's your feeling on the auto industry stuff floating around?  This prearranged bankruptcy sounds like it could make things even worse for GM and Chrysler.  I'm almost leaning towards letting the two companies fail - keeping them around almost seem putting a band aid on a cut off stump at this point.  At least maybe Ford might see a boost in sales (eventually) from the implosion of its rivals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Michelle Malkin is outraged about that, Jinfash. (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/)

Saudi king is a douche, but I guess Obama is just playing politics.  Pfft.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
STRASBOURG, France — French President Nicolas Sarkozy offered enthusiastic support for U.S. President Barack Obama’s new strategy in Afghanistan, saying his country was preparing to do more to help the alliance fight there.

Sarkozy told a joint news conference after talks with Obama today that France totally endorses and supports America’s new strategy in Afghanistan.

Sarkozy added France is prepared to do more in terms of police training and is helping Afghanistan rebuild.

... did Michelle blow Sarkozy?  He's like our best friend now.

Also, did Obama hit that Bruni broad?  Hottest politician's wife ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
Let's nuke 'em!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 03, 2009, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 03, 2009, 11:32:08 AM
STRASBOURG, France — French President Nicolas Sarkozy offered enthusiastic support for U.S. President Barack Obama’s new strategy in Afghanistan, saying his country was preparing to do more to help the alliance fight there.

Sarkozy told a joint news conference after talks with Obama today that France totally endorses and supports America’s new strategy in Afghanistan.

Sarkozy added France is prepared to do more in terms of police training and is helping Afghanistan rebuild.

... did Michelle blow Sarkozy?  He's like our best friend now.

Also, did Obama hit that Bruni broad?  Hottest politician's wife ever.

:bow Obama :bow2

I wish I could peek into an alternative universe and see the proceedings with McCain in charge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 11:45:34 AM
McCain would be dead by now - Palin would be overseas, confused and befuddled by Sarkozy's accent.  Then she'd ban french fries again, because those aren't American.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 03, 2009, 01:05:42 PM
Damn, germans are waving american flags outside where Obama is in Germany right now.  :lol Almost as weird as when the french were going gaga over Obama during the townhall in the morning in France.

I don't know if I am ever going to get used to Europeans fawning over America, this just doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2009, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 03, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Michelle Malkin is outraged about that, Jinfash. (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/)

Saudi king is a douche, but I guess Obama is just playing politics.  Pfft.

Quote
When JWF sent a link to the photo with Obama bent down like a serf (further than either he or Michelle dipped for Queen Elizabeth, by the way)
:lol

Amazing. Isn't this holding hands/bowing stuff more cultural respect than fawning? It's like saying kissing cheek to cheek is gay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 03, 2009, 02:41:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2009, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 03, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Michelle Malkin is outraged about that, Jinfash. (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/)

Saudi king is a douche, but I guess Obama is just playing politics.  Pfft.

Quote
When JWF sent a link to the photo with Obama bent down like a serf (further than either he or Michelle dipped for Queen Elizabeth, by the way)
:lol

Amazing. Isn't this holding hands/bowing stuff more cultural respect than fawning? It's like saying kissing cheek to cheek is gay
Yeah, I mean he is a KING. Even though he is a king of a rather iffy middle-east country you are still expected to treat him with respect of royality. What can you do?

Plus if he didn't Conservatives would attack Obama if he broke royality protocal, you know it. Like they did when Michelle gave the Queen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 03, 2009, 02:42:36 PM
Kissing his hand would probably be a bit too demeaning for a President, bowing is a good middle-ground.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 03, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Saudia Arabia kind of blows, dude.  Sorry.  Now that America is cool again, Saudis suck more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html)

 :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 03, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
more carla bruni today :hump
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00Qk7Zs8pM8D5/610x.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html)

 :D

It's not really a bad "Obama idea", it's a bad idea that all the eco-invested Senators have been pushing for quite some time.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2009, 04:59:22 PM
I wonder if Obama knew that would bomb but figured he had to give Gore some lovin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2009, 05:00:53 PM
This is kind of wierd, Yahoo news was running this story for an hour .. but pulled it down. I didn't get a chance to see it and google didn't cache it.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/mv3iw5.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2009, 05:24:42 PM
"With President Obama sinking American closer to depression..."

 ??? doesn't sound like something Yahoo would run
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 03, 2009, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 03, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872261427685233.html)

 :D

oh look, a wsj hit piece without a byline

again
Title: Re: so, Obama is president
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 04, 2009, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 03, 2009, 08:35:28 AM


I'm pretty sure he's aware of all of their drawbacks, but what's the harm on putting on a charm offensive? If he wants to play hardball later he's just in a better position to do it.
I have no problem with Obama, it's people taking these pictures on face value.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2009, 02:28:50 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 03, 2009, 11:22:35 AM
Michelle Malkin is outraged about that, Jinfash. (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/)

Saudi king is a douche, but I guess Obama is just playing politics.  Pfft.

We've treated the Saudi's with kid gloves for far to long, but pretending that Obama giving a formal bow to a leader at a formal event is somehow equal or eclipses the ridiculousness of Bush tip-toeing through the tulips with a Saudi Prince at the same time that they're either "with us or against us" just shows how mind-numbingly incoherant most of the modern right has become.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 02:44:32 AM
oh lord  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 04, 2009, 02:47:40 AM
Fuck I'm dying just his face is..
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2009, 03:09:11 AM
This weirdo trolling about what Obama has to accomplish has to stop. Everyone was excited because we were getting an actual adult in office instead of a emotional distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Bush's own mental faculties were never really the issue, but he was a petulant man-child who couldn't grasp his own shortcomings.

Recovering from this, and being excited with a real adult in charge with an adult temperment is different from having some messiah complex for him. But it seems like everytime he is in a situation and doesn't chop the Saudi king in half with a lightsaber, it seems all the press will say is "I don't understand - huh, huh, why didn't he do that, that's what a Jesus is supposed to do!", when no-one wanted or expected him to do it in the first place.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2009, 06:20:51 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2009, 02:32:21 AM
(http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/050426_BUSH-ABDULLAH_ex-745907.jpg)

One-uping you!

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bushsaudiking.jpg)

:drool

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 04, 2009, 09:02:35 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 04, 2009, 04:20:20 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/us/politics/04disclose.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/us/politics/04disclose.html?hp)

Hopefully this is enough to get Obama to force Summers out and get someone with a point of view that cantradicts wall street to work with Geithner.  I haven't been happy with Obama on the economy so far, and I think he has about half a chance to change course before someone derails the whole thing and we're stuck with nothing.

Agreed.  Summers needs to get the fuck out as soon as possible.  I couldn't care less if they went to MIT when they were 16 but have been consistently shitting the bed since given the position.  If we're to make actual changes to prevent this recession/depression and not just create another class of entitled assholes, we need someone who has the balls to be able to stand up to Wall Street.  Summers and Geithner lack them.  I say they should both leave but if you only had to get rid of one, it would be Summers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 09:45:56 AM
The sad thing is about these economic guys who need to go is that with the stock market booming the negative press surrounding them seemed to have disappeared for the most part. Meaning the chances of them going are probably a lot less today than they were say, a month ago.

A month ago I thought there was a small, but decent chance Obama could fire Timmy (or Summers) but I really don't see that anymore. Things have calmed down on wall street too much. We are probably stuck with them unless the small but noticeable upward movement suddenly reverses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
Quote
But the allies rebuked Obama's push for Europe to share the burden of the anti-terror fight in Afghanistan with more combat troops. That leaves the heavy lifting in U.S. hands. As he escalates U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama also is seeking to broaden the multinational commitment to preventing new terrorist attacks that he has repeatedly told Europeans are just as likely on their continent as in America.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/04/obama-welcomes-albania-cr_n_183112.html

denieed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 04, 2009, 02:53:05 PM
But he did get more combat troops from NATO, just not a crazy amount.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:02:20 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 04, 2009, 02:53:05 PM
But he did get more combat troops from NATO, just not a crazy amount.
Not to mention france is going to help us harbor some of the GITMO prisoners while we decide to figure out where to put them, thats a big deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:12:08 PM
bubububu
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6032342.ece

Drudge's take: NO WE CAN'T: Obama fails to win Nato troops for Afghanistan...

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:12:08 PM
bubububu
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6032342.ece

Drudge's take: NO WE CAN'T: Obama fails to win Nato troops for Afghanistan...

:smug
Stop playing the troll. Obama got a lot out of this. James Carville was right when he called this the best week of Obama's presidency so far.

He has formed a very very close friendship with the President of France, he seems to be a lot closer to him than he is to Gordon Brown. That is a huge step compared to where we were with France just 2 years ago.

He got the respect of the G-20 when before he came they thought he'd be a pushover.

He got 5,000 NATO troops for the war.

He got 1.1 trillion dollars to get pumped into the economy.

He got France to help them deal with the prisoners of GITMO and hold them for America.

The public of France, England, and Germany were in near worship over him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:24:36 PM
Oh and he seemed to win a lot of sway with the President of Russia and was able to begin discussions about the missile defense issues.

AND he saved a tax haven crisis between France and China.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
You're championing small potatoes. If you think he won over Russia with some jokes and laughs...smh. Wait until they start discussing the missile defense shield before making such claims.

They aren't troops btw. They're military trainers and police
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:29:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
You're championing small potatoes. If you think he won over Russia with some jokes and laughs...smh. Wait until they start discussing the missile defense shield before making such claims.

They aren't troops btw. They're military trainers and police

Regardless he got a lot done.
 
France went from being the mocked near hated "ally" of the Bush administration to Obama's closest pal in Europe in the span of a year. You don't find that AT ALL significant?

You think France harboring our GITMO detainee's is "small potatoes"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 04, 2009, 03:32:56 PM
Small potatoes? This was landmark in terms of cooperation and results. You want him to dictate support from a continent we spent eight years insulting and undermining?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Don't be a fool, Maurice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:46:54 PM
I don't even know where he is getting his "OBAMA FAAAAILED" in Europe thing from. Outside of the right-wing noise machine the mainstream media has been nothing but positive about his G-20 performance.

I mean look at the headlins on the mainstream media places
"Obama: Deal broker"
"Sarkozy embraces Obama as ally"
"Obama's plan endorsed"
"A French Embrace for Obama"
"‘Fresh Start’ for U.S.-Russia Relations"
"Obama a Dealmaker in Europe"

Got those by just popping on the front page of politico, usatoday...etc. I dunno why the hell PD is using right-wing troll remarks in this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:49:37 PM
Obama fits right in with Europe, not surprising. Socialists stick together ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 03:59:54 PM
wtf it's like cnn read this thread. I just turned it on and cnn was playing a cheesey musical montage of Obama & Sarkozy with some romantic music.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2009, 06:12:56 PM
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html (http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html)

 :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-oba-3.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-oba-3.html)

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 04, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-oba-3.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-oba-3.html)

:bow
Yeah well other than THAT, saving the tax haven deal between France and China, getting France to hold our GITMO detainees, getting 1 trillion dollars for the economy, getting 5,000 troops for Afghanistan, and opening talks with Russia his trip was a complete failure
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 09:18:24 PM
a failure for DEMOCRACY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2009, 09:26:23 PM
How did the issue of tax havens suddenly flare up?

The only thing I can really remember in recent history is the gov't finally putting it's foot down about Swiss bank accounts. But I hadn't heard any followup to that story so I just assumed they were stepping on too many dicks and that got muzzled.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 04, 2009, 10:10:37 PM
glenn beck just called obama a fascist

uh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 04, 2009, 11:03:31 PM
Cheebs is working overtime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301945.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301945.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)



re: Summers

I remember back during the transition reading speculation that Obama wanted to replace Bernanke with him when his term expired in 2010. Suppose that's becoming more and more of a political impossibility every day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 04, 2009, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 04, 2009, 11:03:31 PM
Cheebs is working overtime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301945.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/03/AR2009040301945.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)



re: Summers

I remember back during the transition reading speculation that Obama wanted to replace Bernanke with him when his term expired in 2010. Suppose that's becoming more and more of a political impossibility every day.
That opinion makes it seem like it is a bad thing that Obama is making many concessions to Europe and letting them take the lead on a multitude of issues.

This isn't the Bush years, we no longer need to act like America is some how better than Denmark or France or whoever at dictating the way things go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 05, 2009, 12:22:13 AM
Quote
This isn't the Bush years, we no longer need to act like America is some how better than Denmark or France or whoever at dictating the way things go.

I agree. It's time to take care of us instead of everyone else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 05, 2009, 03:54:50 AM
[youtube=560,345]6LqxEhC9EEg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2009, 04:04:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2009, 03:26:44 PM
You're championing small potatoes. If you think he won over Russia with some jokes and laughs...smh. Wait until they start discussing the missile defense shield before making such claims.

The missile defense shield is going to be a huge stumbling block?  Huh (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aSAMgE650A2M&refer=europe)?

If you're gonna cop the attitude of a jaded realist, you could at least not talk out of your ass.  smh indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2009, 01:44:43 PM
Poland is the only country in discussion relating to a shield? Oh well excuuuse me  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
pd, the act is getting old
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2009, 05:25:24 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/20903.html


...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 05, 2009, 07:21:47 PM
PD smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2009, 10:07:40 PM
Newt Gingrich thinks we should have bombed North Korea, should pursue regime change in Iran, and that we're in the middle of World War III.  And that Obama's waging a "war against churches" and that there's "a gay and secular fascism" driving things like the anti-Prop 8 movement.  Also, half of his 12 list of genius ideas are tax cuts.  Plus we should appoint judges (who have military service records) to shut down any websites they deem "jihadist".

I pick on the guy not cause he's uniquely dumb (probably around Republican median) but cause he's held up as an intellectual and an innovator.

Dear GOP, you need better smart guys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM
I think people are just dazzled by a Republican seeming to publicly acknowledge that having a brain isn't just for pussies, and they don't bother to actually see that his ideas are nothing more than that same old wingnut mess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 05, 2009, 10:27:49 PM
I read the remarks Gingrich made over the weekend, and they bordered on insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 05, 2009, 11:39:48 PM
Newt Gingrich is a true ideas man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2009, 03:28:00 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM
I think people are just dazzled by a Republican seeming to publicly acknowledge that having a brain isn't just for pussies, and they don't bother to actually see that his ideas are nothing more than that same old wingnut mess.

ding ding ding we have a wiener

also, peep this vf piece by wolcott talking about the dreaded and omnipresent "washington bubble" (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/05/james-wolcott200905)
Title: Sentences I wish I had written
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2009, 03:51:59 AM
"Only in Washington, D.C., could Gingrich, a magpie of futurist jargon and a bumptious opportunist, pass himself off as an iconoclastic force and centrifuge of ideas, a cross between Buckminster Fuller and Che Guevara leading a commando raid on the buffet table."

Ow ow owwwwww.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 06, 2009, 04:26:43 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrf14VN4boM[/youtube]

I don't even know wtf is happening here, whenever I saw his show on CNN he was just a low-tier blowhard best just left ignored, but is he ultimately revealinig himself to be a joke character or are we witnessing a public mental breakdown?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 04:52:03 AM
Yea, I remember watching his show and not really taking note of it, outside of his annoying tendency to say he was a regular red blooded white American fed up with petty politics on both sides...before launching into a laughably right wing attack on democrats.

I first saw clips of his show during Colbert's annihilation of him. Holy shit, comparing him to Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly/Dobbs is an insult to those fine gentlemen. He's more like a religious cult leader nutball than another tv mouthpiece
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 06, 2009, 09:09:24 AM
Uptick coming back?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 06, 2009, 05:05:37 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 06, 2009, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 05, 2009, 10:26:54 PM
I think people are just dazzled by a Republican seeming to publicly acknowledge that having a brain isn't just for pussies, and they don't bother to actually see that his ideas are nothing more than that same old wingnut mess.
The reason Newt Gingrich gets so much airplay despite his past decade of irrelevance is because he will talk to ANYBODY.  The guy will show up at the opening of an envelope if you ask him nicely.  Most high-up elephants won't have anything to do with the 'liberal media', but not Newt, he'll take any calls, answer any questions.

He's made himself the go-to guy for any reporter needing a nice, juicy quote or TV appearance.  His current stature is made up entirely of his self-feeding media prominence and his ability to moderate his message according to the current weather.  Kinda like a wishy-washier Pat Buchanan with better hair.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 06, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07poll.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07poll.html?hp)

The Republican party's strategy of being useless obstructionists is paying off.

The silent majority is so silent statistics can't possibly calculate their gargantuan existence
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 06, 2009, 11:40:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 06, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07poll.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/politics/07poll.html?hp)

The Republican party's strategy of being useless obstructionists is paying off.

The silent majority is so silent statistics can't possibly calculate their gargantuan existence
Just like when America secretly was against govt. spending for the economy despite 60-70% of the public supported it.

REVOLUTION IS COMING. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2009, 11:42:07 PM
Well Cheebs, Chinese Democracy out so anything is possible  :ninja
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 06, 2009, 11:46:58 PM
I am reminded by the infamous Dole line from the '96 campaign "Where's the outrage!?"

The right wing see Obama's actions as so extreme, so socialist, so evil and destructive that they assume the country must be on the verge of total revolution. The fact the majority of the country actually LIKES these policies destroys that.

The fact there is almost no outrage over these vast economic agenda's and spending has to bewilder them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2009, 12:09:25 AM
 :lol :lol :lol

Flipped over to Hannity last night for the lulz and he said, regarding the tight NY race between Tedesco and murphy, that America was finally waking up and embracing republican ways.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2009, 02:20:54 PM
WARNING WARNING WARNING The link below contains spoilers if you haven't watched last night's episode of House.  WARNING WARNING WARNING

Kumar is going to be working in the White House! (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Kal_Penn_to_White_House.html)

Can legalized weed be far behind?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2009, 02:27:46 PM
lex luthor plant!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2009, 07:24:28 PM
links?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
oh, you typed montana and so i had no idea wtf was going on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2009, 09:07:20 PM
Yeah, apparently Franken having more votes doesn't matter in that election. And the crawl of the judicial system is prolonging it. I would think that this should be highest on the "to do" list for the system there to name a candidate and move on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2009, 09:15:04 PM
Quote
Democrat Al Franken’s lead in Minnesota’s long-disputed Senate race increased to 312 votes Tuesday, making it mathematically impossible for Norm Coleman to win his state trial challenging the election outcome.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003094559

Too bad miracle major Huckabee isn't Coleman's lawyer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 07, 2009, 09:27:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 07, 2009, 09:07:20 PM
Yeah, apparently Franken having more votes doesn't matter in that election. And the crawl of the judicial system is prolonging it. I would think that this should be highest on the "to do" list for the system there to name a candidate and move on.

The worst is that Sen. Cornyn threatened WWIII (whatever that would mean) if the Dems try and seat Franken while Coleman's legal options are not completely exhausted, while acknowledging that could take years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2009, 09:38:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Minn. courts put the kabosh on on their legal ideas right off the bat. But if that pans out exactly like that, I will have lost even more faith in the judicial system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2009, 09:39:34 PM
What's up with this "don't criticize America while on foreign soil" bullshit about? Heard some people bitching about Obama's comments about the US being "arrogant." It makes a nice soundbyte but the total context of Obama's comments struck me as...real talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 07, 2009, 10:02:56 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 07, 2009, 09:38:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Minn. courts put the kabosh on on their legal ideas right off the bat. But if that pans out exactly like that, I will have lost even more faith in the judicial system.
I think he was talking about Coleman taking his appeals federal, IIRC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
What is he going to appeal with? If it is mathematically impossible for Coleman to produce more votes, what grounds do they have to keep this going on for years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 11:26:31 PM
Obama supports Bush wiretap program. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/06/MNRP16TJOQ.DTL)

Change. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 07, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
The internals for that NYT/CBS poll are absolutely lolz-worthy.

Obama is still undoubtedly popular. There's no need for these news outlets to embarass themselves trying to prove it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 11:54:55 PM
Does it drive you nuts that Obama is so popular and Republicans aren't?

 :borys :borys
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 07, 2009, 11:59:14 PM
Not at all. The REPs deserve it. S'why I didn't vote for their presidential candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2009, 11:59:46 PM
I call them them the RIP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on April 08, 2009, 12:02:38 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 07, 2009, 11:26:31 PM
Obama supports Bush wiretap program. (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/06/MNRP16TJOQ.DTL)

Change. :-\

he supported teleco immunity in the senate in a somewhat dramatic flip-flop, if I remember right. No suprise he wouldn't do so now.

I really don't care too much about such things, could never get whipped up into hysteria over FISA. But hey even if he is wrong at least he's pissing in the lolbertopian's cornflakes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 08, 2009, 12:07:13 AM
I'm not quite sure why he would drop torture, Gitmo, etc. - but not wiretapping?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 08, 2009, 12:12:19 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 08, 2009, 12:07:13 AM
I'm not quite sure why he would drop torture, Gitmo, etc. - but not wiretapping?
I think it's a little consistent, the wiretapping suit is about suing for previous wiretapping offenses, just like he's ended the torture policies yet some of the torture memos for the previous policies aren't going to be released.

I don't think he's still pursuing Bush's wiretapping policies in the future though ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2009, 02:15:05 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 07, 2009, 11:51:16 PM
The internals for that NYT/CBS poll are absolutely lolz-worthy.

Obama is still undoubtedly popular. There's no need for these news outlets to embarass themselves trying to prove it.

"I don't see the need to talk about polls until Rasmussen releases one with results I like."

Quote from: Willco on April 08, 2009, 12:07:13 AM
I'm not quite sure why he would drop torture, Gitmo, etc. - but not wiretapping?

From the article, it looks like they're trying not to release information about past wiretapping, rather than going forward with a similar program (though they could very well be doing that also).  That's fairly consistent with what they're doing on the other topics.  There aren't going to be any major truth and reconciliation commissions.

Also there's a weird possible double-reverse where it might be better for the administration to take the wrong position.

See, if they fight this in court and lose, that would set a judicial precedent that keeps the executive branch from doing those things in the future.  If they released the information of their own volition, that can be interpreted as them retaining the right to secrecy in the future.

The opposite situation is the Ali Al-Marri case.  The Supreme Court was going to hear his case (on whether the government can indefinitely imprison someone without trial) but Obama said he would be transferred back to the court system and given a trial.  It's a good thing in the one instance, but if the Supremes had found in Al-Marri's favor it would have had much wider implications.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 08, 2009, 02:29:30 AM
Oh yes, the internals argument. I remember seeing conservatives constantly trash polling in 2008 because they had democrats with too large of a registration lead over republicans. Except they all turned out more or less correctly. The network polls are far more accurate than those online dailies from the republican outlet rasmussen lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 08, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
So, you're saying you believe a poll that has a 23% weighting for REPs is accurate?

I don't really care regardless. People are still rightfully giving him the benefit of the doubt. But, I think its a bit funny how the NYT/CBS have to skew the internals to come up with numbers a little higher than what they would have otherwise been.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 08, 2009, 05:50:15 PM
Er...the treasury delaying the stress tests can't be good. Suppose that enables the banks for fudge their numbers as much as possible for their earnings reports. More lies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 08, 2009, 06:31:00 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsnews/idINN0747118320090407?rpc=33 (http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsnews/idINN0747118320090407?rpc=33)

Check out the last quote:

But officials are worried about how the market will react to the stress test results if there is not a clear recovery path for a bank that is deemed to have a large capital need. The last thing Treasury wants to do is set off a panic, the source said.

That cannot be good.


Also, looks like the PPIP isn't drawing much interest:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akOTNxeaTGzk&refer=home (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akOTNxeaTGzk&refer=home)

That cannot be good either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2009, 11:14:58 PM
Shoulda voted McCain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2009, 12:47:13 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2009, 11:14:58 PM
Shoulda voted McCain

(http://www.lubbockonline.com/images/052598/phil_gramm.jpg)

(http://outfoxingkarlrove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/palin-winks.jpg)

Yeah no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 09, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
Man, triumph, I almost forgot her.
Title: I totally would have voted for Hillary!
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2009, 12:51:35 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 08, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
So, you're saying you believe a poll that has a 23% weighting for REPs is accurate?

Sure.  Nobody wants to cop to Republicanism these days.  Even you front like you're an independent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2009, 04:06:26 AM
here we goooo
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html?_r=1&hp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2009, 04:29:42 AM
Saw that as the main Google News headline.

He's certainly striking while the iron's hot, isn't he?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 09, 2009, 04:42:24 AM
I'm just saying the obvious but there is no way that amnesty is that popular now with so many unemployed Americans.  A lot of democratic senators probably aren't going to be so supportive of something like that.  Especially ones in states with low hispanic populations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 09:17:17 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 09, 2009, 04:42:24 AM
I'm just saying the obvious but there is no way that amnesty is that popular now with so many unemployed Americans.  A lot of democratic senators probably aren't going to be so supportive of something like that.  Especially ones in states with low hispanic populations.
You'd be surprised. anti-immigration stuff hurt the republicans really really badly in 2006-2008. It went from a small democratic advantage to a nearly 3:1 advantage, republicans used to be competitive in california until they pushed hard against amnesty. The hispanic population is skyrocketing, the democrats want to lock them down as part of their base because if they do it will be very hard for them to lose elections. The dems won't be against this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2009, 10:36:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2009, 04:06:26 AM
here we goooo
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html?_r=1&hp

Where is the cheap labor going to come from if they are nationalized? Employers would have to pay minimum wage to the same people they probably payed $3/hr.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2009, 10:48:22 AM
Milo Bloom headline of the day:  SECRET MUSLIM WITH RADICAL PASTOR HOSTS SEDER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 10:50:24 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 09, 2009, 10:48:22 AM
Milo Bloom headline of the day:  SECRET MUSLIM WITH RADICAL PASTOR HOSTS SEDER.

worse than a muslim

he's a JEW!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
also, there's a fun one burning up the charts DID OBAMA BOW TO THE SAUDI KING??!?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2009, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
also, there's a fun one burning up the charts DID OBAMA BOW TO THE SAUDI KING??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Dick "Hooker Enthusiast with a Foot Fetish" Morris remarked the other night on Hannity I think it was that Obama's European trip was basically the equivalent of repealing the Declaration of Independence.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 10:53:20 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 09, 2009, 10:52:35 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
also, there's a fun one burning up the charts DID OBAMA BOW TO THE SAUDI KING??!?!?!?!?!?!?

Dick "Hooker Enthusiast with a Foot Fetish" Morris remarked the other night on Hannity I think it was that Obama's European trip was basically the equivalent of repealing the Declaration of Independence.

he gave america back to the queen in secret london meeting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
I can confirm that after meeting with my cabal of Jewish bankers for our annual Passover Matzo-Brye breakfast summit, that the United States of America was indeed sold back the U.K. for some Dr. Dre mixtapes and a bag baked Doritos.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: brawndolicious on April 09, 2009, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 09:17:17 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 09, 2009, 04:42:24 AM
I'm just saying the obvious but there is no way that amnesty is that popular now with so many unemployed Americans.  A lot of democratic senators probably aren't going to be so supportive of something like that.  Especially ones in states with low hispanic populations.
You'd be surprised. anti-immigration stuff hurt the republicans really really badly in 2006-2008. It went from a small democratic advantage to a nearly 3:1 advantage, republicans used to be competitive in california until they pushed hard against amnesty. The hispanic population is skyrocketing, the democrats want to lock them down as part of their base because if they do it will be very hard for them to lose elections. The dems won't be against this.
Yeah, but back then there wasn't a HUGE risk of losing red-blooded, umemployed voters.  I wouldn't be too surprised if a lot of dems throw obama under the bus over this proposal.  I think that whatever plan does pass, hispanics will be disappointed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 01:31:12 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 09, 2009, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 09:17:17 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 09, 2009, 04:42:24 AM
I'm just saying the obvious but there is no way that amnesty is that popular now with so many unemployed Americans.  A lot of democratic senators probably aren't going to be so supportive of something like that.  Especially ones in states with low hispanic populations.
You'd be surprised. anti-immigration stuff hurt the republicans really really badly in 2006-2008. It went from a small democratic advantage to a nearly 3:1 advantage, republicans used to be competitive in california until they pushed hard against amnesty. The hispanic population is skyrocketing, the democrats want to lock them down as part of their base because if they do it will be very hard for them to lose elections. The dems won't be against this.
Yeah, but back then there wasn't a HUGE risk of losing red-blooded, umemployed voters.  I wouldn't be too surprised if a lot of dems throw obama under the bus over this proposal.  I think that whatever plan does pass, hispanics will be disappointed.
Those type of white voters you describe are not nearly as important to the democratic coalition as the rising Hispanic population, and they are becoming less and less vital for electoral reasons. If they lock up the Hispanic vote they can ensure Nevada/Colardo/Arizona/etc are theirs in all future elections. With that they don't need those red-blooded white blue collar voters of the mid-west.

Democrats will push hard for the more pro-amnesty type of immigration reform, it would be politically stupid not to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2009, 01:34:55 PM
I dunno if it's "amnesty." He's said countless times that those who illegally got in will be put in the back of the line and fined; it's not like he's going to just give them a magical golden card and make them citizens. Making the process easier for folks to become citizens seems like a good idea to me

But of course it won't be framed like that, and with folks losing jobs I'd be interested in seeing how this plays out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kara on April 09, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 09, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
I can confirm that after meeting with my cabal of Jewish bankers for our annual Passover Matzo-Brye breakfast summit, that the United States of America was indeed sold back the U.K. for some Dr. Dre mixtapes and a bag baked Doritos.
buy low, sell high
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 01:36:33 PM
and definitely don't buy while high

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on April 09, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 09, 2009, 04:42:24 AM
I'm just saying the obvious but there is no way that amnesty is that popular now with so many unemployed Americans.  A lot of democratic senators probably aren't going to be so supportive of something like that.  Especially ones in states with low hispanic populations.

I live in a state with record high unemployment, and to be honest I'm not seeing the anti-immigrant sentiment. People are more pissed off at/blaming the executives and bankers about the job issue rather than immigrants.

It's not the white middle-class winner issue for conservatives that they think it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 09, 2009, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 01:36:33 PM
and definitely don't buy while high


Last time that happened I ended up with two Mel Gibson movies and beef flavored tomato juice :-\

i don't know which of those things is the most horrific

probably the tomato juice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 02:28:21 PM
but it's close

it's DAMN close
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2009, 04:25:34 PM
This is easily settled- was either of the two Gibson flicks Passion of the Christ?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 04:32:45 PM
WHY DOES THAT EXIST?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 09, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KF-6Fpi9L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

That looks good, actually.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2009, 04:36:36 PM
Imma put that on some ramen noodles. Ghetto spaghetti  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2009, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 09, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KF-6Fpi9L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

 :-X
(http://www.bagophily.com/images/barfsmiley.gif)
 :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kara on April 09, 2009, 04:39:00 PM
i'd brush my teeth, then drink a glass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Herr Mafflard on April 09, 2009, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 09, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KF-6Fpi9L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)


I see that and I raise you with:
(http://i.current.com/images/asset/895/788/85/o5mu2H.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 09, 2009, 06:00:12 PM
Anyone know if the mark-to-market changes had an effect on the supposed Wells Fargo earnings? Seems awfully convienent. But, I think Wells Fargo was actually one of the banks in the best position.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 09, 2009, 06:23:04 PM
OK. So I guess it still took some accounting tricks then. What's interesting is that WF announced a profit and then all the other banks who are in horrific position rally. I read something earlier today about GE Capital sitting on a $45B loss.

Oh and supposedly all the banks "passed" the stress tests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Herr Mafflard on April 09, 2009, 06:31:09 PM
new comic book out in june

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01380/barack-barbarian_1380239i.jpg)




In the cartoon, he [Obama] takes on his nemesis, Sarah Palin, who sports a wolf skin cape and her trademark glasses - and very little else. Obama will also feature in another book, 'Drafted: One Hundred Days', about an intergalactic war.


(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01380/barack-palin_1380242i.jpg)


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
drafted is a pretty damn cool book on its own

but i guess obama is the magical sales negro ever since everyone went gaga for that fucking lame spiderman book
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 08:01:34 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 06:57:37 PM
drafted is a pretty damn cool book on its own

but i guess obama is the magical sales negro ever since everyone went gaga for that fucking lame spiderman book
Put Obama on the cover of something and sales instantly skyrocket. Plus it might have to with the fact Obama likes comics and claims to still collect Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics (probably why they used Spider-Man and this conan looking thing for his appearances).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 09, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6365320.html
Quote
AUSTIN — A North Texas legislator during House testimony on voter identification legislation said Asian-descent voters should adopt names that are “easier for Americans to deal with.”

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 09, 2009, 08:32:37 PM
Oh, Texas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2009, 09:29:20 PM
Check out the pelt on Palin. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 09, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 08:01:34 PM
Put Obama on the cover of something and sales instantly skyrocket. Plus it might have to with the fact Obama likes comics and claims to still collect Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics.
Wow, really.  This news story makes so much more sense now.
Obama Disappointed Cabinet Failed To Understand His Reference To 'Savage Sword Of Conan' #24 (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_disappointed_cabinet_failed)
(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Obama-Disappointed-R.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 09, 2009, 10:51:40 PM
Wait, what's this Spiderman Obama thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2009, 11:05:06 PM
horrible obama appearance in a horrible issue of spider-man

public goes obama-mad and storms comic shops to get copies

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2009-01-07-obama-spiderman-comic_N.htm

horrible art

horrible story, etc etc etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2009, 11:12:55 PM
is that Red Skull wearing Spider-Man's costume?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 11:22:01 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 09, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 09, 2009, 08:01:34 PM
Put Obama on the cover of something and sales instantly skyrocket. Plus it might have to with the fact Obama likes comics and claims to still collect Spider-Man and Conan the Barbarian comics.
Wow, really.  This news story makes so much more sense now.
Obama Disappointed Cabinet Failed To Understand His Reference To 'Savage Sword Of Conan' #24 (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/obama_disappointed_cabinet_failed)
(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Obama-Disappointed-R.jpg)
Yep. Apparently he bags them any everything. Conan though....wtf? Who the hell reads conan comics.  Geeky stuff, it's almost kinda weird. Like Leonard Nimoy said he met Obama at some point before Obama was a senator at a chicago dem. fundraiser and Obama went up to him and did the vulcan salute and asked for his autograph.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2009, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 09, 2009, 04:30:57 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31KF-6Fpi9L._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
(https://www.epiceriedirect.com/fr/lookproducts.php?id_pro=8727)
:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2009, 12:06:56 AM
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01380/barack-palin_1380242i.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Sarahpalincrop2.jpg)
Hmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2009, 03:55:49 AM
Quote from: InfectedGib on April 09, 2009, 06:31:09 PM
In the cartoon, he [Obama] takes on his nemesis, Sarah Palin, who sports a wolf skin cape..

Shouldn't that be a moose-skin cape?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2009, 04:00:18 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 10, 2009, 03:55:49 AM
Quote from: InfectedGib on April 09, 2009, 06:31:09 PM
In the cartoon, he [Obama] takes on his nemesis, Sarah Palin, who sports a wolf skin cape..

Shouldn't that be a moose-skin cape?

She's pretty well know for shooting wolves from a helicopter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 10, 2009, 04:49:42 AM
the wolf shooting thing was just a law that she supported.  I think she bragged about hunting moose but yeah, these "political" comics are like the Wiifit of comic books.

It was kind of funny though seeing a bunch of McCain comics on the bottom shelf in a comic book store a few days ago.  The owner said that she couldn't sell any of them since November and most of those probably went to collectors.  It was kind of hilariously awful from what I read of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2009, 04:54:40 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 10, 2009, 04:49:42 AM
the wolf shooting thing was just a law that she supported.  I think she bragged about hunting moose but yeah, these "political" comics are like the Wiifit of comic books.

Huh, guess you're right. I'd always thought she had done it herself...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2009, 10:59:16 AM
Ow, the irony.

[youtube=560,345]q1byTDgu7iA[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1byTDgu7iA

This tea party crap is toooooo funny.  The media doesn't cover hundreds of thousands of people protesting the war and it's somehow ok.  But a couple thousand people freak out about taxes and either A) the media isn't covering it because THEY'RE PART OF THE person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation-SECRET MUSLIM CONSPIRACY TO TURN US ALL INTO SOCIALIST FASCISTS or B) the media covers it in a manner to make the tea baggers look like loons.

Here's a hint, guys- you ARE loons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 07:21:11 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/on-state-secret.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/on-state-secret.html)

Tapper is basically the last MSM reporter with any shred of credibility.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2009, 07:41:24 PM
Wow I didn't know state secrets were this important to you, I guess you must have not supported Bush in 2004 because that would have been hypocrit-...oh wait.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 10, 2009, 07:55:26 PM
The tea party makes me lol - it is a strong sign of the end of Reaganomics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2009, 08:13:17 PM
I don't get how being offended at tax increases on the richest 1% is at all comparable to the citizens of America being taxed but not having representation in the british government.

It's almost funny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 10, 2009, 07:41:24 PM
Wow I didn't know state secrets were this important to you, I guess you must have not supported Bush in 2004 because that would have been hypocrit-...oh wait.  :smug

I don't really care either way. Its more for the hopenchangers like you that bought Obama's bullshit.

A bit concerned over the bill that would give the president the power to monitor and shut down the internet though. I think its called the Cybersecurity Act of 2009. And of course its got bipartisan support - Snowe and Rockerfeller are sponsoring it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2009, 08:16:51 PM
There are Americans being taxed without representation in Congress RIGHT NOW and I would lay money down that 80%+ of the tea partiers are against giving those people the vote.

But what I came here to post was:

Quote from: John Cole
ACORN is turning into the phlogiston of wingnut conspiracy theories. They can’t tell you what they do, but if it upsets Republicans, ACORN is there, colorless, odorless, and pissing off Rush Limbaugh. I remember when it used to be A.N.S.W.E.R. and the ACLU that had these guys up in arms over everything. Maybe they are just working their way through the alphabet. If that is the case Big Brothers/Big Sisters and the Breast Cancer Research Foundation better get ready for the shitstorm of poorly written emails they are going to get during the 2010 midterms.

Ow. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=19720)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2009, 08:18:01 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 08:14:08 PM
I don't really care either way. Its more for the hopenchangers like you that bought Obama's bullshit.

You are really too stupid to cop this attitude with anyone, even Cheebs.  And I really mean that sincerely.  </Biden>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2009, 08:19:49 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 10, 2009, 07:41:24 PM
Wow I didn't know state secrets were this important to you, I guess you must have not supported Bush in 2004 because that would have been hypocrit-...oh wait.  :smug

I don't really care either way. Its more for the hopenchangers like you that bought Obama's bullshit.

A bit concerned over the bill that would give the president the power to monitor and shut down the internet though. I think its called the Cybersecurity Act of 2009. And of course its got bipartisan support - Snowe and Rockerfeller are sponsoring it.
And we expected Obama to be 100% perfect? Come on, this is still  American Politics. He does a lot of stuff I don't like including this.

But he is a fucking gigantic step up from both Bush and the triangulation of Bill Clinton. I should be offended and throw tea over ships and denounce him as  a failure because isn't 100% perfect?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2009, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 10, 2009, 08:16:51 PM
There are Americans being taxed without representation in Congress RIGHT NOW and I would lay money down that 80%+ of the tea partiers are against giving those people the vote.

But what I came here to post was:

Quote from: John Cole
ACORN is turning into the phlogiston of wingnut conspiracy theories. They can’t tell you what they do, but if it upsets Republicans, ACORN is there, colorless, odorless, and pissing off Rush Limbaugh. I remember when it used to be A.N.S.W.E.R. and the ACLU that had these guys up in arms over everything. Maybe they are just working their way through the alphabet. If that is the case Big Brothers/Big Sisters and the Breast Cancer Research Foundation better get ready for the shitstorm of poorly written emails they are going to get during the 2010 midterms.

Ow. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=19720)

:bow John Cole :bow2
 :heartbeat Balloon-Juice :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 10, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
Coverage of a tea party: Shock, they treat it with all the meaning as a sports event. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07tue4.html?_r=3)

Quote
Don’t Tread on Them
By LAWRENCE DOWNES
Published: April 6, 2009

Not glowering sky nor mud nor threat of hailstones sufficed to deter about 300 souls from massing on the sodden village green in Northport, N.Y., that afternoon.

They were a band of like minds bent on dire provocations seldom witnessed in the harborside hamlet on Long Island Sound. It was a day for brandishing signs, shouting imprecations and donning silly clothing: tricorn hats and breeches, bonnets and petticoats. A few carried pitchforks, the better to jab the message home. We good farm folk are fed up and will be silent no more.

Their enemy: a tyrannical government heedless of the people’s will and blind to its manifold injustices. Their tactic: a Boston-style tea party, a symbolic rebellion for times that once again are trying men’s souls.

Tea parties are a recent phenomenon, spawned in the red-meat districts of right-wing talk radio and cable TV. It was strange to see the rebels reach Northport, whose antiques ’n’ potpourri Main Street, with a half-dozen empty stores, could use a little federal stimulus.

But down at the park gazebo, the green lawn was rumbling with grass-roots anger. Actually, its grass-rootiness was highly debatable. What were the citizens angry about? The stimulus? Not really, said one organizer. He had problems with the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Laws impeding capital formation. “Indict Charlie Rangel,” said a sign. “Lowlife Obama!” roared a man in the crowd, causing giggles.

Was this about Wall Street? Evil automakers? Greedy lenders who pillaged Long Island with predatory housing loans? No, no and no. It was not about fixing unbridled free-market capitalism, but ensuring its glorious restoration. Mostly, it was about tax cuts.

The day was dark already, but the atmosphere became foggier and more indistinct with each new speaker. It all seemed to boil down to a battle of good nouns against evil nouns.

“Liberty, yes! Tyranny, no!”

“Keep your socialistic dance! We don’t want to live in France!”

Before you could say “Marquis de Lafayette,” it was time to hurl tea. A man with a megaphone gave a warning about littering. Then a bagpiper led the crowd through the harbor town’s loveliest taxpayer-supported amenities, from the municipal gazebo in the municipal park, across the municipal parking lot and down the municipal dock.

The chief of the Northport Fire Department, which like many on Long Island is bristlingly equipped by compliant taxpayers with enough gear to protect small European principalities, kept watch from his official S.U.V. The Northport Police directed traffic as a search-and-rescue boat idled over by the marina. The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, alerted to the possibility of tea dumping without permits, had sent two armed officers.

And at the dock, a 41-foot Coast Guard boat from the Eatons Neck Station, with a five-man crew, kept its engines running in case anybody or anything was attacked, scuttled, dunked or sunk.

Whatever trouble these rebels found themselves in, the federal, state and local governments had it covered.

Waiting at the end of the dock were two costumed American Indians, one with long fake braids, the other with a feathered headdress and tomahawk. After more speeches, they tossed two wooden crates marked “TEA” into the harbor. Cheers rang. A cannon boomed.

“Let’s give ourselves a round of applause,” the megaphone man said. The wind had picked up, and the crates started floating out to Long Island Sound. The retrieval rope snapped. A boatswain’s mate from the Coast Guard boat took out a long hooked pole but did not deploy it: no federal rescue here.

The crowd turned and left the dock. The crates kept floating away. The Coast Guard and police boats motored off. At last, from out of the gloom came a gunmetal kayak. A lone man in a big black hat, the Stars and Stripes waving from his fishing-rod holder, paddled out to snag the boxes. Fighting a stiff wind, he slowly towed them back to shore.

It was a gallant act of individual responsibility. Too bad hardly anyone noticed. The crowd had gone to Skipper’s Pub, which was offering drink specials.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 10, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
“Keep your socialistic dance! We don’t want to live in France!”

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Socialistic dancing leads to this
[youtube=560,345]h8zW2Je3SGk&feature=PlayList&p=1075D13FB8FCFE3D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=50[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2009, 08:45:18 PM
In the depths of madness.

[youtube=560,345]kwdOwgD5OsY[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOwgD5OsY

"Burn the books!" 

Charming folks you're gonna be hanging with there, sd.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2009, 09:08:59 PM
There are no words.

Well, there are words but they've already been written. (http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 09:11:17 PM
I can't go.

Have an interview out of state next week. The stimulus plan may come through for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2009, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 09:11:17 PM
I can't go.

Have an interview out of state next week. The stimulus plan may come through for me.

Oh the ironing.

If you were a true believer, you'd be protesting the porkulus bill with your fellow prime movers.
Title: RSVP
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2009, 09:14:38 PM
"I would love to attend your tea party but am unable to do so, as I will be going Galt."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 10, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
Nah...I've accepted the porkulus bill. When they introduce porkulus II I'll be right there with them though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
how is this taxation without representation? hell I bet 90% of the people who attend tea parties doing make $200,000 a year

I wish poor people would fight for my rights to be rich
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 10, 2009, 11:39:13 PM
"porkulus"

man how do you conservatives come up with such witty and imaginative nicknames
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2009, 12:15:15 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 10, 2009, 11:39:13 PM
"porkulus"

man how do you conservatives come up with such witty and imaginative nicknames

Yeah.  Nothing says "I deserve to be taken seriously" like the use of really awkward portmanteau words.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 12:31:54 AM
Wow, everyone should really watch this night's Bill Maher that just ended a little while ago. Gore Vidal really was fucking awesome, probably the best dicussion he ever had with someone on his panel about politics in recent memory (oh and ron howard was there too lol).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2009, 02:41:08 AM
Ya he was awesome.  Witty as fuck. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2009, 03:02:28 AM
Would have been so much better if Maher interviewed Vidal for the whole episode instead of splitting it with Ron Howard.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 10:07:34 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 11, 2009, 03:02:28 AM
Would have been so much better if Maher interviewed Vidal for the whole episode instead of splitting it with Ron Howard.  :yuck
I was a bit surprised how much Bill Maher wanted to discuss about the Andy Griffith Show and Happy Days lol. Although I felt kinda bad for Ron Howard when he asked the audience to clap for Spider-Man 3 cause his daughter was in it and like no one did.


Oh and I just heard something on the sunday morning NBC edition of chris matthews that is pretty brilliant on the part of Bobby Jindal. A guy from the NYTimes said Bobby Jindal is considering running against David Vitter in 2010 for the Senate in LA. It'd make it so he doesn't have to run for for re-election 2011 right before the primaries like he would have to do as Gov, he could use it to seem independent by running against a sitting Republican, and use it to boost his support among christian/moral voters by running against a man who used prostitutes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 10:19:20 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 10, 2009, 08:45:18 PM
In the depths of madness.

[youtube=560,345]kwdOwgD5OsY[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwdOwgD5OsY

"Burn the books!" 

Charming folks you're gonna be hanging with there, sd.

"The American media won't tell you the truth - Fox News is the only one that will!" :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 10:20:05 AM
Is there even anyone in that video who is under 50? lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 10:20:27 AM
The HD tuners are brainwashing devices? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 10:25:09 AM
I love the pull your kids out of college thing. It's even creepier because that line gets claps. I really don't get the anti-education rhetoric of conservatives. Freaks me out more than anything. I never really noticed it till Palin defended the fact her two oldest kids dropped out of HS by saying like High School isn't for everybody, basically claiming its ok to drop out of HS. All of it is just plain crazy. I GET the anti-abortion, gay marriage fervor but anti-education? Never will cease to amaze me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 10:26:09 AM
[youtube=560,345]G7YvGiuw0Ks[/youtube]

Oh my God. :lol

Glenn Beck is going to burn staff members on fire!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 10:28:56 AM
Glenn Beck seriously scares me - I hope he's unable to mobilize a base.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 11, 2009, 11:14:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 10, 2009, 09:08:59 PM
There are no words.

Well, there are words but they've already been written. (http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html)

this article describes someone from another mailing list i'm on who suffered a schizophrenic breakdown or something and is now all inforwars and prisonplanet black helicopters insane.

he totally FoC'd up the other mailing list to the point where i signed off, which is a shame because I had been on it for nearly 10 years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2009, 01:23:42 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30114573#30114573 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/30114573#30114573)

Christopher Hitchens applies amazing ether to Ken Blackwell about America being a "Christian Nation"

(yes I know he's generally a twat)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 11, 2009, 01:26:17 PM
goddam.
I hate poli-threads. With real hate.

You can go on with your discussions now.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2009, 01:26:33 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 11, 2009, 10:26:09 AM
[youtube=560,345]G7YvGiuw0Ks[/youtube]

Oh my God. :lol

Glenn Beck is going to burn staff members on fire!

I wonder if did due diligence to see if he floated or not
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 11, 2009, 01:34:55 PM
What the hell. Obama didn't bring the country debt. Fucking BUSH did.

Also, wtf, how is this shit even aired in America? That shit wouldn't fly here in Europe.
Fuckin' hell this Glenn Beck is some distinguished mentally-challenged shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 01:37:10 PM
I rarely hate people.  Like, I mean - really hate.  They might annoy me, but I don't hate them.

I want to punch Glenn Beck in his fat, crybaby face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
I dont get how conservatives claim "thats not the change we voted for!" for things Obama pretty much promised he would do in the campaign (stimulus, tax increase on rich, closing gitmo, helping build relationships in europe....etc).

It's like because he is a a democrat running the government like a democrat he somehow is offending the population. I get the conservatives being angry but people like Beck act like the entire country is in outrage and in shock over Obama doing what he said he'd do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 01:38:55 PM
Glenn Beck wants us to rise up against Obama, the fascist tyrant!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 11, 2009, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
I dont get how conservatives claim "thats not the change we voted for!" for things Obama pretty much promised he would do in the campaign (stimulus, tax increase on rich, closing gitmo, helping build relationships in europe....etc).

It's like because he is a a democrat running the government like a democrat he somehow is offending the population. I get the conservatives being angry but people like Beck act like the entire country is in outrage and in shock over Obama doing what he said he'd do.

"That's not the change we voted for"

They got that goddam right. They didn't vote for him at all. Their man lost. Live with it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 11, 2009, 02:02:57 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 11, 2009, 10:26:09 AM
[youtube=560,345]G7YvGiuw0Ks[/youtube]

Oh my God. :lol

Glenn Beck is going to burn staff members on fire!

He might as well be saying "I want you to your windows and shout 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!'"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 11, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
what the fuck glenn beck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 02:27:17 PM
that red eye guy got on my nerves more then beck in that segment. something about his weird fake shock facial reaction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 11, 2009, 02:32:42 PM
You guys are falling for the bait.

Conservative pundits know what the situation is.  They just know that the Democrats prison raped the Republicans and despite their impotent rage, the GOP is getting fuck all done for their agenda.  They've been in power, or at least had significant influence, since 1980.  This really isn't any different than a trust fund baby getting cut off by mommy and daddy.  They're mad, angry, but desperate.

They also hope that the Democrats will tune in and pay attention to them.  These guys want to be hated by the Democrats and most of you guys are filling that desire.  Ignoring them would be much better because then they would really be marginalized.

I don't think the Dow is the best indicator for financial progress but I'd like to think that once the Dow gets over 9000 (hur hur), America will move on, leaving the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs alone in their sandbox.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 02:37:20 PM
And we make their influence seem a lot greater than reality. Beck and co. get about 1.5-2 mil viewers. We have like 100 million voters. And even just in the news biz each of the nightly network news guys get 4-6 mil a night. Their message doesn't reach all too far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 11, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSUD9v7_4E[/youtube]

goddam

fake shit

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
I'm surprised Shep Smith still has a job at Fox News after this:

[youtube=560,345]m9JE5SBm9UU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 11, 2009, 03:12:52 PM
:lol


btw, how do I get my tag visible?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 03:13:54 PM
Senior Member can make tags.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
I love Morning Joe. He disagrees with Obama A LOT, being a Republican and all but if more Republicans acted like him the party would be in a far better place going forward into 2010.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 11, 2009, 03:17:39 PM

Quote from: Willco on April 11, 2009, 03:13:54 PM
Senior Member can make tags.

Thanks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2009, 03:25:04 PM
Beck...how does one respond to that. He's the ring leader of the crazy circus right now. I'd imagine his theatrics are fake but that's not the case for making of his delusional fans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2009, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
I love Morning Joe. He disagrees with Obama A LOT, being a Republican and all but if more Republicans acted like him the party would be in a far better place going forward into 2010.

That's because he's socially liberal - his ideaology comes into play when the economy, military, etc are involved.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 11, 2009, 03:41:15 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 11, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
I love Morning Joe. He disagrees with Obama A LOT, being a Republican and all but if more Republicans acted like him the party would be in a far better place going forward into 2010.

That's because he's socially liberal - his ideaology comes into play when the economy, military, etc are involved.
Yeah, its not just that though. He isn't really firey about it. He is calm and rational even though I disagree with him on all those issues you mentioned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: tiesto on April 13, 2009, 10:30:34 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 10, 2009, 08:30:36 PM
Coverage of a tea party: Shock, they treat it with all the meaning as a sports event. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/opinion/07tue4.html?_r=3)


Holy shit... Northport? That's pretty close by, I should've gone there for the lulz.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 13, 2009, 12:06:15 PM
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Before you could say “Marquis de Lafayette,” it was time to hurl tea. A man with a megaphone gave a warning about littering. Then a bagpiper led the crowd through the harbor town’s loveliest taxpayer-supported amenities, from the municipal gazebo in the municipal park, across the municipal parking lot and down the municipal dock.

Delicious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 13, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
So Franken won today.

Is this shit over in Minnesota now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 13, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
So Franken won today.

Is this shit over in Minnesota now?
It should have ended in November. Coleman will keep his suit as long as he legally can.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2009, 11:17:02 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 13, 2009, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 13, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
So Franken won today.

Is this shit over in Minnesota now?
It should have ended in November. Coleman will keep his suit as long as he legally can.

Minn Post reporter thinks Franken will likely be seated May-June one way or another.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 13, 2009, 11:17:31 PM
reminder that republicans were opposed to it because they think counting votes is cheating


also i love the reactions of people to the pirate thing yesterday, where they all said obama would cave in and as soon as it turns out he set the rescue operation up, they get upset and call him names in order to literally defy reality
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 13, 2009, 11:21:30 PM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 13, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
So Franken won today.

Is this shit over in Minnesota now?

you can pry the seat from their cold dead hands!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 13, 2009, 11:28:39 PM
Al Franken assassinated mere hours after winning Minnesota; opponent's shaky alibi of staying home to watch "Chuck" doesn't hold up after recent Neilsen ratings
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2009, 11:30:43 PM
I for one can't wait for Franken to show up in the Senate, especially after the way the GOP tried at all costs to keep him out and then to delay his inevitable arrival.  I bet he has some great bills and resolutions cooked up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 13, 2009, 11:31:10 PM
Al Franken sucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Rman on April 13, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
Minnesota really looks bad in all this.  I mean this has been nearly half a year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 13, 2009, 11:31:10 PM
Al Franken sucks.

Your milquetoast tendency towards centrism and your bad taste in humor probably led you to that conclusion. 

Let me assure you, however, that anyone who thinks up Supply Side Jesus (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html) does not, in fact, suck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 14, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
No, he just sucks.  Yes, what the Democrats need is another extremely left leaning populist - only this one writes jokes (that were funny twenty years ago)!

He's just as much of a blowhard as Glenn Beck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 14, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 14, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
No, he just sucks.  Yes, what the Democrats need is another extremely left leaning populist - only this one writes jokes (that were funny twenty years ago)!

He's just as much of a blowhard as Glenn Beck.

except glenn beck is literally insane and is responsible for deaths and has no remorse for that, whereas al franken is just a somewhat unfunny comedian who honestly cares about human beings

tl:dr you're in "heh, the answer is somewhere in... the middle (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-willco.gif)" high school freshman mode out of a desire to be intellectually and morally superior to as many people as possible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2009, 12:09:10 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 14, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
No, he just sucks.  Yes, what the Democrats need is another extremely left leaning populist - only this one writes jokes (that were funny twenty years ago)!

He's just as much of a blowhard as Glenn Beck.

None of this refutes the sheer awesomeness of Supply Side Jesus.  I just think you're jealous of one of your own making it to the big time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 14, 2009, 12:14:13 AM
He's not one of us - we don't need public seats of office.  We operate in the shadows.  Franken is a poseur; we have disowned him as nothing more than a court jester.  He does nothing for our way of life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 14, 2009, 12:15:24 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 14, 2009, 12:07:24 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 14, 2009, 12:01:33 AM
No, he just sucks.  Yes, what the Democrats need is another extremely left leaning populist - only this one writes jokes (that were funny twenty years ago)!

He's just as much of a blowhard as Glenn Beck.

except glenn beck is literally insane and is responsible for deaths and has no remorse for that, whereas al franken is just a somewhat unfunny comedian who honestly cares about human beings

Seriously, dude?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 02:37:36 AM
Fuck Willco, Franken is awesomeness, his humor is topnotch

I'm getting sick of this DURR DURR I HATE ALL PARTISANS! When someone like Franken goes out of his way not to be an idealogue, but gets tossed in with vile bile like Coulter, Limbaugh, etc...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:40:44 AM
Wow, I agree with Willco for a change. Franken  ::)

that being said, I hope to god he shows up to his first senate seating in drag or some weird shit
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4. What's next?. Coleman has promised an appeal to the state Supreme Court, but I would not count on it. He might decide that his political future in Minnesota requires him to bow out gracefully at this point. The countervailing factor is the national interests of the Republican party, which want to keep a 59th Democrat out of the Senate for as long as possible. If Coleman appeals, it is possible that the Minnesota Supreme Court would reach the equal protection issues more directly, but even if it did, I'd be surprised to see a different result.
http://electionlawblog.org/archives/013410.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:45:48 AM
[youtube=560,345]NQwGFDnIVeU[/youtube]

Beck's no Jesus afterall
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 02:46:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:40:44 AM
Wow, I agree with Willco for a change. Franken  ::)

Why??

Please attempt a coherent answer please.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2009, 02:48:35 AM
Mamacint is right.

Willco's wrong but I see how it's an easy impression to pick up.

Crushed's reaching a bit, but there's definitely a point there.

PD is a human compass who points to wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:54:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 14, 2009, 02:46:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:40:44 AM
Wow, I agree with Willco for a change. Franken  ::)

Why??

Please attempt a coherent answer please.

Uhh, I don't think he's funny at all. I find his brand of partisan commentary/politics to be distasteful, and it just makes me roll my eyes; I'm not going to say he's the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity or Coulter because he certainly isn't. Truth be told he just strikes me as a huge asshole who doesn't realize he's not funny (sort of like me). Yea Hannity/Coulter/Beck are assholes too, but they get into manipulative shit, distortions, and fan hate. Fraken doesn't do any of that, he just gets on people's nerves
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 14, 2009, 02:54:46 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 14, 2009, 02:48:35 AM


PD is a human compass who points to wrong.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2009, 02:56:29 AM
...again.

Supply Side Jesus isn't funny? (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html)

Even someone who likes Creed should be able to admit that's good stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2009, 02:58:24 AM
Also, holy shit @ Mandark.  PD, if you don't change your tag to "a human compass who points to wrong" RIGHT NOW you'll never, EVER get into the cool kids' club.

...I'll also accept "The Pop Culture Mark Halperin".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 03:01:31 AM
Edit: lol, I was grumpy, but Mandark applied ether in a way i never could
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 03:03:48 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 14, 2009, 03:01:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:54:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 14, 2009, 02:46:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 02:40:44 AM
Wow, I agree with Willco for a change. Franken  ::)

Why??

Please attempt a coherent answer please.

Uhh, I don't think he's funny at all. I find his brand of partisan commentary/politics to be distasteful, and it just makes me roll my eyes; I'm not going to say he's the liberal equivalent of Sean Hannity or Coulter because he certainly isn't. Truth be told he just strikes me as a huge asshole who doesn't realize he's not funny (sort of like me). Yea Hannity/Coulter/Beck are assholes too, but they get into manipulative shit, distortions, and fan hate. Fraken doesn't do any of that, he just gets on people's nerves

ACORN ,Goerge Soros!!

Brilliant retort. I'm guessing you're disappointed with my answer, and the lack of ammunition I provided you with.

*returns to O'Reilly clips from this week*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2009, 03:08:34 AM
Hating on Franken and people like him on the left is the easy out for people like Pee Dee and Federwang to assuage their guilt at taking sides and not trying to present a David Broder-esque "let's all hold hands and be bipartisan, because anything less is illegitimate" front.  Being able to say "but I don't like Al Franken or Keith Olbermann either" after ripping into idiots like Rush, Beck or Hannity gives them the illusion of being, dare I say it, FAIR AND BALANCED.

Basically, they're worried about being labeled a partisan so they temper their right bashing with the easy slap at a Franken or an Olbermann.  Then Maurice goes on to write a paragraph about how he loves the "boyishly engaged" simpleton Chris Matthews, or how noted loofah enthusiast Bill O'reilly gives him the lulz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2009, 03:17:08 AM
That's cool and all, Cohen... but surely you can acknowledge the hilariousness that is Supply Side Jesus, no? (http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html)

(http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/franken/p06.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 03:18:35 AM
That is something that continually sticks in my craw. I'm hardly a Michael Moore fanboy, but the thought of hey "he says some shit, Ann Coulter says some other shit" and then shrugging your shoulders without actually looking at what was said peeves me off like nobodies business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 03:18:48 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 14, 2009, 03:08:34 AM
Hating on Franken and people like him on the left is the easy out for people like Pee Dee and Federwang to assuage their guilt at taking sides and not trying to present a David Broder-esque "let's all hold hands and be bipartisan, because anything less is illegitimate" front.  Being able to say "but I don't like Al Franken or Keith Olbermann either" after ripping into idiots like Rush, Beck or Hannity gives them the illusion of being, dare I say it, FAIR AND BALANCED.

Basically, they're worried about being labeled a partisan so they temper their right bashing with the easy slap at a Franken or an Olbermann.  Then Maurice goes on to write a paragraph about how he loves the "boyishly engaged" simpleton Chris Matthews, or how noted loofah enthusiast Bill O'reilly gives him the lulz.

Nearly all the conjecture in this post is wrong. I'm not concerned about appearing bipartisan by liking or disliking blowhards and tv pols. While I'm not comparing their mental states there's very little difference between Beck and Olbermann's theatrics and diva egos. In terms of content/intent obviously there are huge differences

I think Matthews is hilarious. I think O'Reilly is entertaining. If these two opinions make me a simpleton...eh alright. I dunno why anyone would watch either show for in depth analysis of anything outside of political history (in Matthews' case) or grumpy old man antics (in O'Reilly's case).

I like the idea of bipartisanship. Most people like the idea of working together towards common goals, putting differences aside, etc. But that's impossible to do when one side couldn't care less about solving a problem, and instead attempts to score as many cheap/expendable political points as possible. It requires two players, and that just doesn't happen when one side spends all their time demonizing the other. I forgot which EBer said it's like trying to agree on a dinner selection with someone who's only interested in ordering a pie of feces sprinkled with glass. You're not gonna find any common ground with that type of person, unless you don't give a shit about hepatitis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 14, 2009, 09:14:26 AM
Franken was in the movie Trading Places with Eddie Muprhy and Dan Akyrod. I love that movie therefore I love Franken.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 14, 2009, 10:03:57 AM
Franken was also a writer in the SNL heyday, but that doesn't mean he should be writing policy.

Franken sucks.  Just because the Republicans tried to hinder his bid for the Senate - looking arguably stupid in the process - doesn't make him any less of a blowhard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 14, 2009, 10:16:30 AM
There are plenty of blowhards in the senate, on both sides. He won't tip the scale much. Better him than Norm Coleman.

Although I suspect he'll become one of those TV senators who appear constantly on sunday morning shows and cable news.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 14, 2009, 10:03:57 AM
Franken was also a writer in the SNL heyday, but that doesn't mean he should be writing policy.

Franken sucks.  Just because the Republicans tried to hinder his bid for the Senate - looking arguably stupid in the process - doesn't make him any less of a blowhard.

He's probably more wonkish than 90% of currently sitting Senators.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 14, 2009, 11:35:43 AM
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=aVgwamEW_98I&refer=environment (http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=aVgwamEW_98I&refer=environment)

Fuckers were into everything.


Also, Goldman Sachs is saying the AIG bailout had zero impact on their earnings (ie CDS payouts). More lies...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2009, 04:05:56 PM
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Dear Friend:

The strength of our democracy is built on a fair and accurate system of elections. Our Constitution provides for Due Process and for Equal Protection in order to better guarantee the enfranchisement of every voter.

Unfortunately, those fundamental principles are under attack in Minnesota. Since Senator Norm Coleman was first ahead by hundreds of votes at the end of election night, the Democrats have aggressively worked to change the rules of the game after it's been played.

Last night, they succeeded in convincing a three-judge panel to issue a fundamentally misguided ruling that disenfranchises over 4,000 Minnesota voters. They did so by imposing a different, and stricter, standard for votes to be counted rather than following the rules that were in place in Minnesota on Election Day.

In doing so, Constitutionally-valid Due Process and Equal Protection concerns have been raised...and as of yet, have not been resolved. Which is exactly why Senator Coleman is appealing this decision to the Minnesota Supreme Court: the votes of over 4,000 Minnesotans disenfranchised by this court's opinion deserve to be counted.

It's frankly shocking that many of the same Democrats who so loudly decried voter disenfranchisement during the Florida recount in 2000 have so quickly run away from that principle when it no longer fits their political agenda.

Nonetheless, Republicans, and the NRSC in particular, remain committed to a full and fair resolution of this election contest and stand firmly behind Senator Norm Coleman.

Your strong and continued support is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Senator John Cornyn
Chairman
National Republican Senatorial Committee
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/cornyn-stands-by-coleman-in-appeal.php

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i-OWDjOQfI&[/youtube]
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And in Cavuto’s defense, if you are planning simultaneous tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey.

 :rofl

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2009, 04:28:50 PM
Lordy, the copy writers just went to town on that, didn't they?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 14, 2009, 04:36:31 PM
look, coleman was ahead by hundreds of votes on election night. sure, only a small percentage of votes had been returned, but he was ahead. he reached the cookie jar and shouted "first!", he wins, them's the rules.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2009, 04:39:22 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 14, 2009, 04:28:50 PM
Lordy, the copy writers just went to town on that, didn't they?

I know I should be a better person, but I giggled incoherently through the whole thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2009, 07:12:24 PM
Well if this don't beat all.  It appears that in the approval of absentee ballots for NY-20, the former Congresswoman and current US Senator just had her ballot challenged by the Republicans. (http://blogs.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/13527/even-gillibrands-ballot-challenged)

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This just in from Columbia County: when Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s absentee ballot came up in the queue, the poll watchers for Jim Tedisco objected to it, saying the senator was in the county on election day and should have voted in person.

And they wonder why they lose elections.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Rman on April 14, 2009, 08:42:47 PM
Apparently, the DHS is saying that the recession may be fueling right wing extremism.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53D5SH20090414
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 14, 2009, 09:48:23 PM
They've been saying that a while.

I attended a presentation with a guy from Homeland Security in 2006.  Even then, he said at that point, the department believed that domestic (right wing) terrorists were a bigger concern than international terrorists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:09:06 AM
I believe the media's worship of Obama hit critical mass today with their coverage of the new dog. Absofuckinglutely pathetic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:19:47 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51TE90GTVVL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:20:11 AM
republican amnesia is setting in so hard

"deficit spending!? animals!? slight faux-pas with foreign leaders!? this is unprecedented! impeach this monster, hold a tea party to protest taxes (that are actually being cut)"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:26:40 AM
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:washingtonpost.com+barney+terrier&hl=en&start=20&sa=N

What's amuses me is how effortlessly sd reaches such a high pitch of outrage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:27:29 AM
He even named the dog after his initials. How fitting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:28:51 AM
(http://www.dogguide.net/images/president-pets/Checkers.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:29:43 AM
[youtube=560,345]S4UEv_jjPL0[/youtube]



edit:  argh goddam Eric P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:30:13 AM
(http://gofetchgifts.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ronald_reagan_41.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 15, 2009, 12:30:19 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:20:11 AM
republican amnesia is setting in so hard

"deficit spending!? animals!? slight faux-pas with foreign leaders!? this is unprecedented! impeach this monster, hold a tea party to protest taxes (that are actually being cut)"

I'd been watching a piece on Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia and it went into some arms deal between the UK and Saudi's and how he helped negotiate them, anyways that part was pretty unimportant but I did notice that even Maggie Thatcher with her iron vagina did a proper curtsey when meeting the Saudi royalty, made me kind of chuckle considering the faux outrage over O-Bow-ma. Nevermind Bush's PDA while tip-toeing through the tulips with a Saudi prince while still spouting lines about not seeing the difference between terrorists and the states that harbour them.

Despite it currently being their downfall, I've always thought their lack of self-awareness is the right's greastest asset.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 12:30:26 AM
Never mind all this dog shit.  Yes it's cute, whatever.  Bigger game is afoot.

Did Texas just secede or something? (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/)  Should we be trying to airlift citizens of Austin out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:32:36 AM
(http://gofetchgifts.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ike1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 15, 2009, 12:33:36 AM
I wish so much that this materialized...

(http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/socks_rocks_the_hill1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
Even I couldn't have predicted how bitter this black president would make sd.  It's delicious.


edit:  I mean, a black guy trains dogs to fight each other and kills them, and sd flips out.  Another black guy gives a dog a loving home, and sd flips out.  Negro-canine relations just can't get a break with this guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 15, 2009, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 15, 2009, 12:30:26 AM
Did Texas just secede or something? (http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/)  Should we be trying to airlift citizens of Austin out?

Fire up the Underground Railroad!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:39:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
edit:  I mean, a black guy trains dogs to fight each other and kills them, and sd flips out.  Another black guy gives a dog a loving home, and sd flips out.  Negro-canine relations just can't get a break with this guy.

i guess SD just hates dogs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:40:03 AM
Its funny they're trying to say that the dog was technically rescued because the original owners returned the dog to the breeder. Nevermind the fact that the breeder is the Kennedy's own personal dog breeder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:42:32 AM
When you realize that sd's posts are broadly representative of the Republican strategy for regaining power, he becomes a very reassuring figure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2009, 12:42:36 AM
And he just keeps on going. Does he have every single other poster on ignore?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 12:42:45 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:40:03 AM
Its funny they're trying to say that the dog was technically rescued because the original owners returned the dog to the breeder. Nevermind the fact that the breeder is the Kennedy's own personal dog breeder.

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:44:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:42:32 AM
When you realize that sd's posts are broadly representative of the Republican strategy for regaining power, he becomes a very reassuring figure.

keep proclaiming victory even when it's abundantly clear that they've lost both the culture war and the political war?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:45:38 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 15, 2009, 12:44:50 AM
The SD posting machine seems to be malfunctioning.  It no longer even pretends to listen.

That's not a malfunction, it's just working properly again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Rman on April 15, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
When you're complaining about the President's dog you know you're grasping for something.  There's something about Obama that has just destroyed the Republican party.  They're clueless on how to deal with him.

I like SD, btw.  I don't agree with him on most things.  But they're something lovable about his ramblings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:49:07 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:44:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:42:32 AM
When you realize that sd's posts are broadly representative of the Republican strategy for regaining power, he becomes a very reassuring figure.

keep proclaiming victory even when it's abundantly clear that they've lost both the culture war and the political war?

Construct an elaborate reality in which a foreign radical has won the presidency through the seduction of an effete, elitist media.  One where all opposition is malign and nefarious, and ACORN is behind the scenes of every breach of justice.  Reinforce that bubble until it completely supplants the physical world.

Then win the midterm elections in that reality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:52:15 AM
WE'RE STILL THE SILENT MAJORITY *loses elections and public support, increasingly becomes irrational* MAJORITY I TELLS YA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
Bah...just in a pissy mood.

2G2D reared its ugly head in the interview today with one of the most lolz-worthy lowball money offers in the history of lowball money offers. Dude even had the gall to use figures from 1998 when he worked in a similar position. Nineteen ninety fucking eight. Had to pick my jaw up off the floor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 12:52:50 AM
Quote from: Rman on April 15, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
When you're complaining about the President's dog you know you're grasping for something.  There's something about Obama that has just destroyed the Republican party.  They're clueless on how to deal with him.

I like SD, btw.  I don't agree with most things.  But they're something lovable about his ramblings.

[youtube=560,345]rU3WgN--sFs[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU3WgN--sFs

Guess who the Republicans are in that video.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 12:56:14 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
Bah...just in a pissy mood.

2G2D reared its ugly head in the interview today with one of the most lolz-worthy lowball money offers in the history of lowball money offers. Dude even had the gall to use figures from 1998 when he worked in a similar position. Nineteen ninety fucking eight. Had to pick my jaw up off the floor.

Well, on the plus side does this mean you'll be able to hang out with Hannity and Boortz at the tea bagging event tomorrow?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 15, 2009, 12:56:55 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:49:07 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:44:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:42:32 AM
When you realize that sd's posts are broadly representative of the Republican strategy for regaining power, he becomes a very reassuring figure.

keep proclaiming victory even when it's abundantly clear that they've lost both the culture war and the political war?

Construct an elaborate reality in which a foreign radical has won the presidency through the seduction of an effete, elitist media.  One where all opposition is malign and nefarious, and ACORN is behind the scenes of every breach of justice.  Reinforce that bubble until it completely supplants the physical world.

Then win the midterm elections in that reality.

while i think derision is the most appropriate response to the modern right's incoherence, it's hard not to forget that just a few short years ago this shit wasn't funny at all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: Rman on April 15, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
When you're complaining about the President's dog you know you're grasping for something.

Nobody is complaining about the dog. Its the river of saliva and semen flowing down the WH lawn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 12:58:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 15, 2009, 12:56:55 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:49:07 AM
Quote from: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 12:44:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:42:32 AM
When you realize that sd's posts are broadly representative of the Republican strategy for regaining power, he becomes a very reassuring figure.

keep proclaiming victory even when it's abundantly clear that they've lost both the culture war and the political war?

Construct an elaborate reality in which a foreign radical has won the presidency through the seduction of an effete, elitist media.  One where all opposition is malign and nefarious, and ACORN is behind the scenes of every breach of justice.  Reinforce that bubble until it completely supplants the physical world.

Then win the midterm elections in that reality.

while i think derision is the most appropriate response to the modern right's incoherence, it's hard not to forget that just a few short years ago this shit wasn't funny at all

It also becomes much less funny when you remember OKC and the fact that DHS people (rightly) consider domestic terrorism the bigger threat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:59:31 AM
http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1519670789 (http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1519670789)

And STFU about twitter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 01:04:05 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: Rman on April 15, 2009, 12:48:16 AM
When you're complaining about the President's dog you know you're grasping for something.

Nobody is complaining about the dog. Its the river of saliva and semen flowing down the WH lawn.

i've actually seen a lot of mainstream media people saying "hey this isn't that big a deal" but whatever
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2009, 01:06:49 AM
In a world with Jennifer Aniston and Madonna and Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan, we're saying that the media is gabbing over some famous person's dog for political purposes?
Title: Comity!
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 01:10:16 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 15, 2009, 12:56:55 AM
while i think derision is the most appropriate response to the modern right's incoherence, it's hard not to forget that just a few short years ago this shit wasn't funny at all

Ha, from the Glenn Beck Comedy Tour thread:

Quote from: Mandark on April 12, 2009, 04:55:04 PM
I used to think the lunatic right should be ignored, to keep people like Anne Coulter from getting a megaphone.

Now that I don't worry about the GOP being in power, I want nutcases like Beck front and center to make everyone who allies with him an object of ridicule.  If this guy doesn't make you rethink the direction of your party, what would?

The crazy people are a lot less scary when their guys aren't in power.



AdmiralViscen:  I think we've established that puff pieces on presidential pets are completely unprecedented and unique to Barack Obama.

The real story should be the tea party movement, which is completely huge, purely grassroots, and totally not filled with insane people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 01:10:53 AM
department of homeland security releases report about right-wing extremist terrorism in america after 8 long years of reports about environmentalist/animal rights terrorists

republicans instantly go crazy, call department of homeland security a bunch of liberal communist terror-sympathizers (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/14/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4944701.shtml)

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 15, 2009, 01:08:30 AM
Don't tell me people like dogs now.  What's next? People marrying horses?

slippery slope, man. we allow gay people to get married, next we'll have bestiality. since gay people are equal to animals.
Title: Was going to wait for a good setup, but I really wanted to be first on this
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 01:13:07 AM
More like Porkuguese water dog, am I right fellas?
Title: Re: Was going to wait for a good setup, but I really wanted to be first on this
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 01:15:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 01:13:07 AM
More like Porkugese water dog, am I right fellas?

man free republic has had a field day comparing obama to a dog
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2009, 01:34:57 AM
wow, outrage over Bo Obama is so cute

it's a presidential pet and one that belongs to two cute little girls, to boot

of COURSE it's going to be overexposed

this is not a partisan issue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 01:41:48 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/16b0z88.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2009, 01:45:13 AM
are you guys aware of the Stormfront shadow organization now infiltrating college campuses? they even have the same logo...

(Google)

Youth for Western Civilization (http://www.westernyouth.org/)

news stories (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=pxH&q=youth%20for%20western%20civilization&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2009, 02:06:09 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:39:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2009, 12:35:34 AM
edit:  I mean, a black guy trains dogs to fight each other and kills them, and sd flips out.  Another black guy gives a dog a loving home, and sd flips out.  Negro-canine relations just can't get a break with this guy.

i guess SD just hates dogs.

Nah, it's the other possibility.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 02:21:18 AM
I've seen some of their fliers on campus. They're not as nice as the LaRouche folks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 02:23:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 02:21:18 AM
I've seen some of their fliers on campus. They're not as nice as the LaRouche folks

Of course they're not, you're black. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 04:26:31 AM
I am?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 15, 2009, 04:43:36 AM
he is?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2009, 04:58:03 AM
you are?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 15, 2009, 05:07:55 AM
free republic agrees: women are subhuman (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3001925&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=99#post359418279), should not vote (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3001925&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=99#post359421123)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 10:05:44 AM
Wow lol....I put on fox news out of curiosity to see if they were hyping up those TEA PARTIES yet and I saw a commerical for their coverage of Obama's first 100 days and went went something like

"Saving the economy...or socialism?
Bringing home the troops....or losing the war?
Opening up our borders....or allowing the terrorists in?

We report, you decide."
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 10:05:44 AM
Wow lol....I put on fox news out of curiosity to see if they were hyping up those TEA PARTIES yet and I saw a commerical for their coverage of Obama's first 100 days and went went something like

"Saving the economy...or socialism?
Bringing home the troops....or losing the war?
Opening up our borders....or allowing the terrorists in?

We report, you decide."
 :lol


Yeah, yeah, Olbermann is a blowhard etc etc- this clip largely doesn't feature him AT ALL.  Just letting the Fox teabaggers expose themselves.  Ahem.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#30217505
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
funni u guyz r
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 15, 2009, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
funni u guyz r

u mad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
he mad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 12:01:19 PM
like letter to the editor or chasing the mailman?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 15, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
fuming in his underwear
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 01:12:40 PM
Obama invokes the "already identified $2 trillion in savings" line once again.

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 01:33:40 PM
i was curious what the world opinions were regarding our tea party things so i did some searching.  Turns out the G20 leftists had their own tea parties in protests.  I was curious to see how the phenomena had jumped the ocean and political ideologies.

but no.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/31/g20-summit-bank-protest

Quote
G20 protesters held a tea party outside the Bank of England today, kicking off demonstrations against the summit of world and financial leaders a day earlier than planned.

The group behind tomorrow's G20 Meltdown protests sent Twitter messages urging demonstrators to meet at the Bank at 11am, bringing cake.

Around a dozen protesters gathered, spread out a picnic blanket, sipped tea and ate shortbread and cupcakes in a square in front of the bank.

One of the group, Michael Rainsbro, said: "We've to come to the Bank of England because it has presiding over an economic system that has given out Sir-Fred-[Goodwin]-style bonuses for years and years. We need a long-term change in our economy."

He said today's tea party was aimed at raising awareness for tomorrow's G20 meltdown protest. "Come on down to the Bank of England tomorrow. This will be the first bank holiday on a Wednesday."

He added: "The real issue is that the G20 is an unelected and undemocratic instutution. People are very angry."

Marina Pepper, a former Liberal Democrat councillor who is co-ordinating a planned procession of four theatrical "Horsemen of the Apocalypse" at the Bank tomorrow, said today's protest was designed to highlight a long-hours working culture.

"We are here to reclaim elevenses," she said. "You used to have elevenses written in to your work contract, now you're expected to drink tea at your desk and not spill it on your keyboard.

Police officers guarding the Bank exchanged banter with the protesters and did not intervene to prevent the tea party. "The police are not the enemy, the enemy is the system," said Pepper. "After the revolution we will still need the police."

Police have warned that protesters plan to bring the capital to a standstill and say they are preparing for possible violent confrontations.

Last night, five people were arrested in Devon on suspicion of planning to use fireworks to disrupt the G20 meeting.

Gordon Brown said today that violence would not be acceptable.

"No violence can be tolerated, no intimidation of people is allowed, and the police will act very quickly if there is any threat to property or people," he told GMTV.

The prime minister said most people who wanted to make their views known on subjects such as jobs, climate change and global poverty were doing so peacefully and were entitled to their opinions.

"After all, people are talking about jobs, about protecting the environment and helping the poorest countries," he said.

Brown said he would be speaking to some of the protesters at St Paul's Cathedral today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 01:38:46 PM
and Americans were always self righteous little whiny bitches per the bbc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/empire/episodes/episode_29.shtml

Quote
The War of American Independence began in 1776. The popular idea that it started with the Boston Tea Party is wrong, although the off-loading in America of cheap tea from the East India Company was an aggravation. There was no single reason for the war. The transition from colonies in dispute to full scale war was one full of sometimes complex contradictions.

For example, it was not a popular uprising. Most of the British in America (they were not Americans until after the 1783 Treaty of Paris) were not in rebellion. Many were doing very well under the Crown. Also, the rising was not from the oppressed classes - the slaves and Indians or Native Americans we now call them. Neither slave nor Indian got anything out of the doctrine of liberty. British soldiers fought white, often comfortably off British middle class. The merchant British in American were probably richer than most families in England. The average tax and tithe payer in England paid twenty five times more than someone in America. Trade preferences and the working of the Navigation Acts made Britain a big and easy market for American goods and products.

The reasons for the war include the following: the 1765 Stamp Duties imposed by PM George Grenville on America (and West Indies) to raise 15% of the overall administrative costs as well as paying for the army; the Declaratory Act; the Boston Massacre; the fall in the price of tea in India; the first 1774 Congress meeting in Philadelphia and, in 1775, the first shots fired at Lexington Massachusetts. If the British army had been competent enough, it could have put down the rebels at Lexington and Concord. The British army was not good enough and badly commanded.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
How in the sam fuck can the WH sit there and vow transparency in the stress tests with a straight face when unemployment has already exceeded the tests' worse case scenario and will undoubtedly get much worse? This is the kind of shit that pisses me off because nobody in the media is calling them on it. Go out and peruse some of the econ blogs and read some of the comments. Tons of people are now convinced that Summers and Geithner have to go. You see it here too. But, in all reality, is that really going to happen? I mean, you're talking about a president who is so narcissistic that he named his own dog after his initials. Firing Summers or Geithner (especially Geithner after he had to expend political capital during the confirmation) would be admitting that he was wrong. A guy who's narcissism is that ingrained will never admit that he is wrong because he truly feels he never can be wrong. When you've got Krugman and Newt on the same page about the odds of another stimulus plan, then you know something is lacking from the leadership. The longer they drag this out and the more they protect the people who were responsible for this, the more painful they are making it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
How in the sam fuck can the WH sit there and vow transparency in the stress tests with a straight face when unemployment has already exceeded the tests' worse case scenario and will undoubtedly get much worse? This is the kind of shit that pisses me off because nobody in the media is calling them on it. Go out and peruse some of the econ blogs and read some of the comments. Tons of people are now convinced that Summers and Geithner have to go. You see it here too. But, in all reality, is that really going to happen? I mean, you're talking about a president who is so narcissistic that he named his own dog after his initials. Firing Summers or Geithner (especially Geithner after he had to expend political capital during the confirmation) would be admitting that he was wrong. A guy who's narcissism is that ingrained will never admit that he is wrong because he truly feels he never can be wrong. When you've got Krugman and Newt on the same page about the odds of another stimulus plan, then you know something is lacking from the leadership. The longer they drag this out and the more they protect the people who were responsible for this, the more painful they are making it.

You've got to shitting me. You can't truly believe this. No fucking way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 02:57:48 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 02:59:33 PM
You are telling me you didn't notice the hidden secret agenda behind the Obama girls when they named their puppy?   >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 03:07:40 PM
they named it after natty boh, his favorite beer, national bohemian, from baltimore

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 03:08:54 PM
He was named after "Bo Diddley".

Obama's initials.....oh sd.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 03:11:30 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 03:07:40 PM
they named it after natty boh, his favorite beer, national bohemian, from baltimore



That beer is truly awful and only purchased by Maryland rednecks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Maryland Hipsters like it too!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on April 15, 2009, 03:16:14 PM
i like natty boh. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 03:17:15 PM
Jesus, I had so much respect for you, RoboJ.

All gone now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 15, 2009, 03:14:17 PM
Shit ironic regional beers + Hipsters = $$$

art students drink it cuz it's cheap

then they thrust funders see the cool kids drinking it and they want in, then the bars see the rich kids drinking it so they raise the price because they know they'll pay it and it becomes less of a drink and more of a fashion accessory

let's see some fuckers pound steel reserve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 03:22:58 PM
Thrust funders? :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 03:23:38 PM
yes.

have you ever seen them dance?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 03:48:37 PM
sweet no challengers.

yes, they're called Thrust Funders.  That's what we call them derisively here in nyc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
I'm surprised the FTC hasn't fined the White House yet for the exposed cleavage in "Bo Obama"'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Powerslave on April 15, 2009, 05:14:21 PM
I think Obama is a pretty cool guy, eh has hope and doesn't afraid of anything
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
He was named after Michelle Obama's dad. smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Rep. Ron Paul is calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21245.html) :lol

FlameOfCallandor can go after the pirates himself now!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
I just saw that SD flipped the fuck out about the dog's name 2 pages ago ago too.  :lol :lol


What did Obama do to him to get him so angry and offended over the dogs name?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Rep. Ron Paul is calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21245.html) :lol

FlameOfCallandor can go after the pirates himself now!

I bet Ron Paul would be an awesome Dungeons and Dragons partner

Quote
“I think if every potential pirate knew this would be the case, they would have second thoughts because they could probably be blown out of the water rather easily if those were the conditions,” Paul said.

part-time bounty hunters strike more fear in the enemy than SEAL snipers and Navy battleships apparently
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
Bo Diddley - of course that's what they are saying.

But, there's obviously a double meaning in there (or triple?).

 ::)  8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Rep. Ron Paul is calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21245.html) :lol

FlameOfCallandor can go after the pirates himself now!

ron paul has been waiting a LONG time to bring the halcyon days of 1850 back, back when he was young and relevant and flush with gold from the territories
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]wCA-3q6t57Q[/youtube]

smh @ the reporter. Why not press him to tell her what fascist means, and bring up the whole "rich folks payed more taxes under Reagan" point

too bad I didn't see any of these dudes on campus today :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 06:19:04 PM
Oh how sweet. She's offended by someone calling Obama a fascist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 06:20:20 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Ron_Paul_on_Bruno.html?showall

Ron Paul  :lol :bow

"if it ain't Sound of Music or Gone With the Wing I haven't seen it"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 15, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on April 15, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Rep. Ron Paul is calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21245.html) :lol

FlameOfCallandor can go after the pirates himself now!

ron paul has been waiting a LONG time to bring the halcyon days of 1850 back, back when he was young and relevant and flush with alaskan gold

Weren't Letters of Marque mostly about letting private citizens seeze things of value from other countries? WTF of value is gonna come from a Somali pirate ship.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 06:45:45 PM
Well, the original language states that anyone could seize the ship and any treasure on board, but apparently most pirate funds are in Swiss bank accounts, so that's no good.

Unrelated, I'm really beginning to think we're a few months away from some right wing nut job blowing up a federal building again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 07:10:32 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 06:09:01 PM
Bo Diddley - of course that's what they are saying.

But, there's obviously a double meaning in there (or triple?).

 ::)  8)
The daughters named him. Of course they'd look for some hidden secret message to incode in A PUPPYS NAME.

You honestly think Barack told his daughters:

"Ok girls, what should we name him? Oh and whatever it is it has to vaguely resemble my name."

You are demented.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 07:12:01 PM
Quote
A 68-year-old woman at the Sunbury Pennsylvania protest had to be rescued by police from the Susquehanna River when she inadvertently fell in while trying to dump tea bags in it.

:lol

WHERES YOUR TAX DOLLARS NOW
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 07:12:44 PM
Quote
Update: Politico reports "many of the absentee ballots from the GOP stronghold of Saratoga County are now in, and the results are not good for Republican Jim Tedisco. Despite the inclusion of some 1,181 absentee ballots from Tedisco's strongest performing county, he still trails Democrat Scott Murphy by 86 votes."
http://politicalwire.com/

WWIV
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2009, 07:12:51 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 15, 2009, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on April 15, 2009, 06:12:33 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Rep. Ron Paul is calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21245.html) :lol

FlameOfCallandor can go after the pirates himself now!

ron paul has been waiting a LONG time to bring the halcyon days of 1850 back, back when he was young and relevant and flush with alaskan gold

Weren't Letters of Marque mostly about letting private citizens seeze things of value from other countries? WTF of value is gonna come from a Somali pirate ship.

GOLD! :hyper

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 07:12:44 PM
Quote
Update: Politico reports "many of the absentee ballots from the GOP stronghold of Saratoga County are now in, and the results are not good for Republican Jim Tedisco. Despite the inclusion of some 1,181 absentee ballots from Tedisco's strongest performing county, he still trails Democrat Scott Murphy by 86 votes."
http://politicalwire.com/

WWIV

I thought the GOP said the NY-20 race would be a referendum on Obama's socialist policies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 07:16:01 PM
FOXNews.com front page image:

(http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/041509_versuspirates2.jpg)

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 07:19:26 PM
Who is the graphic designer at FOXNews?  Easiest job ever, apparently.

Also, conservatives are OUTRAGED that Department of Homeland Security considers right-wing extremists possible terrorist threats. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/protest-grows-report-right-wing-radicalization/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2009, 07:19:43 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 07:12:01 PM
Quote
A 68-year-old woman at the Sunbury Pennsylvania protest had to be rescued by police from the Susquehanna River when she inadvertently fell in while trying to dump tea bags in it.

:lol

WHERES YOUR TAX DOLLARS NOW

shoulda left her in there until the free market developed a solution
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 07:20:30 PM
 :lol

Today is political comedy gold.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 07:20:42 PM
Quote
The government considers you a terrorist threat if you oppose abortion, own a gun or are a returning war veteran.

then i guess we'll just have to keep finding wars so these soldiers never come home
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
Quote
FOX News has obtained a copy of the assessment, dated Jan. 26 and titled "Left-wing Extremists Likely to Increase Use of Cyberattacks Over the Coming Decade." It concentrates largely on the technical savvy of left-wing extremists and not bloodshed.

"The perception that cyberattacks are non-violent aligns well with ideological beliefs, strategic objectives and tactics of many left-wing extremists," the earlier report reads. "The increasing reliance of commercial business and other enterprises on cyber technologies, including interconnected networks and remote access, creates new and expanding vulnerabilities that technically savvy left-wing extremists will exploit."

The report specifically mentions "eco-terrorist" Earth Liberation Front, which has been accused of firebombing construction sites, logging companies, car dealerships and food science labs. The report notes that left-wing extremists prefer economic damage on businesses to get the message across.

"Their no-harm doctrine includes claiming to ensure the safety of humans, animals and the environment even as they attack businesses and associated operations," the report reads. " Direct actions range from animal releases, property theft, vandalism and cyber attacks, all of which extremists regard as non-violent, to bombings and arson."

The assessment says it "focuses on the more prominent leftwing groups within the animal rights, environmental, and anarchist extremist movements that promote or have conducted criminal or terrorist activities."

i guess the right is all "how is bommy formed?"  "how hoomland seekurty blowed up?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 07:22:59 PM
 :lol

The actual report does not call anyone owning handguns or pro-life a terrorist threat, but identifies right-wing extremists that could pose terrorist threats in the current economic and political climate.  It goes on to say that such groups are likely to recruit returning veterans - like Timothy McVeigh - that are disgruntled with the government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
 PETER ROFF: Tea Parties — Mission Accomplished (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/15/roff_mission_tea_party/)

... Do conservatives not realize that the slogan utilized here is something of a political joke nowadays?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2009, 07:27:45 PM
maybe it was all a giant double blind by the left to make the right look silly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
PETER ROFF: Tea Parties — Mission Accomplished (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/15/roff_mission_tea_party/)

... Do conservatives not realize that the slogan utilized here is something of a political joke nowadays?
Quote
It won’t work — and it won’t work because the poor, overtaxed Americans who are coming out for tea parties on Wednesday represent the backbone of this great nation.  

Because apparently people  making over 250k are now considered "poor"?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 15, 2009, 07:51:50 PM
Siamesedreamer occasional glimpses into insanity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 08:16:57 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on April 15, 2009, 07:51:50 PM
Siamesedreamer occasional glimpses into insanity.
I don't think he realizes how insane he sounds when he claims there is a secret hidden meaning behind the Obama girls picking the name Bo.

He wasn't like this a year ago.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 15, 2009, 08:17:14 PM
So where are these Teabagging Parties taking place? I haven't seen anything in Seattle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 15, 2009, 08:32:09 PM
Looks like it's mostly confined to the Northeast, oddly enough.  A few thousand yahoos, protesting nothing.  They're not even protesting taxes - half of them are just calling Obama fascist and regurgitating Glenn Beck talking points.

Congratulations, conservatives - you've done an excellent job pushing me away from your bosom. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 08:43:27 PM
yea, seems like the right's PR/image molding is worse than Sony's
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on April 15, 2009, 08:45:15 PM
There was a small tea party in my town today. I heard about it on the radio on the drive to work, and it just...made me rage. I can't even pinpoint exactly what pisses me off so much about the idea. I got home a bit ago and was reading more about all this bullshit, and all the "reasoning" and "movement" quotes and everything, and it's making me fucking furious.

May tune into hannity tonight to get a good ten minutes hate going on.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 15, 2009, 08:50:49 PM
Hasta la vista, Tejas - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html

money quote: "Rebecca Knowlton, 45, of Smithville, said she took the day off of home-schooling her three children and brought them to the rally to teach them about civic duty."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 15, 2009, 08:50:49 PM
money quote: "Rebecca Knowlton, 45, of Smithville, said she took the day off of home-schooling her three children and brought them to the rally to teach them about civic duty."

I thought PD lived in Michigan.


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 15, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
These parties are just so wacky.  Where were these people during the Bush Administration?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 15, 2009, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: Rman on April 15, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
These parties are just so wacky.  Where were these people during the Bush Administration?

Where were these people? They were content cause they were "winning," whatever that means.

 ::)

Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 08:32:09 PM
Looks like it's mostly confined to the Northeast, oddly enough.  A few thousand yahoos, protesting nothing.  They're not even protesting taxes - half of them are just calling Obama fascist and regurgitating Glenn Beck talking points.

Congratulations, conservatives - you've done an excellent job pushing me away from your bosom. :-\

There's one in downtown Seattle starting in about 15 minutes. My conservative buddy had these thoughts about it:

Quote
I almost skipped sailing to go to the Westlake one.
 
But I figured sailing is more relaxing than standing in a screaming crowd with a bunch of racist, gay-hating, anti-government religiophiles that are so selfish and narrow-minded they actually think a protest will express to the government their serious desire that it behave more responsibly (and maybe grant them the privilege of keeping more of "their own" money)

I'm so embarrassed that Glenn Beck is from Washington state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 11:16:23 PM
http://www.myprops.org/content/Jim-Cramers-2009-Predictions-vs-Actual/?link=reddit (http://www.myprops.org/content/Jim-Cramers-2009-Predictions-vs-Actual/?link=reddit)

Cramer annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 11:19:55 PM
Quote from: Rman on April 15, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
These parties are just so wacky.  Where were these people during the Bush Administration?

Perhaps they thought Bush was somewhat fiscally sane?

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/wapoobamabudget1.jpg)

Remember though, Obama has already identified $2 trillion in savings.

(nevermind the fact that $1.6 trillion of those savings come from taking peak-of-surge Iraq Warcupation costs and projecting them out over a full decade completely ignoring the SOFA that states troops have to be out by the end of 2011)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 11:21:03 PM
UUUUGGGGH I had on the local news and some local teabagger was rambling about how the govt. is growing too big, too many taxes...etc. And what was one of his examples he claimed all of these would cause? FEAR OVER LOSING HIS SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS. Trashing socialism/taxes because he thinks that will take away his SS checks.

 :duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
oh and sd I think you lost all your abilities to try to make any sane arguments after you tried to claim Obama secretly named their puppy after himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 15, 2009, 11:31:42 PM
The fun part is the critique that I'm insane when you actually think I'm serious (or that I actually give two shits about what they call the dog). 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
oh and sd I think you lost all your abilities to try to make any sane arguments after you tried to claim Obama secretly named their puppy after himself.

What city?

Did you see any protests on campus? I know there's a conservative club on campus but I didn't see shit lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 15, 2009, 11:49:03 PM
http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/15/1859241

Secretary Chu says that clean coal is a viable and worthwhile investment.


Bu bu bu Mandark told me it was all bunk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 12:10:52 AM
looks like chu is in the pocket of big miners
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 12:11:38 AM
but miners strike constantly

so he must be in the pocket, not of big coal because that would just be silly




















HE'S IN THE TANK FOR STRIKEBREAKERS!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 12:11:55 AM
whatever happened to the pinkertons?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2009, 11:33:07 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 15, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
oh and sd I think you lost all your abilities to try to make any sane arguments after you tried to claim Obama secretly named their puppy after himself.

What city?

Did you see any protests on campus? I know there's a conservative club on campus but I didn't see shit lol


It was on the channel 4 local news station, dunno where in MI exactly it took place.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2009, 12:40:34 AM
[youtube=560,345]L0pPEAdDn64[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0pPEAdDn64

Pretty awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 12:48:40 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 16, 2009, 02:07:19 AM
WASTEFUL SPENDING* (http://www.imagebeast.net/viewer.php?file=rrtll6b36g24pk5hafng.jpg)


*68% of which is defense spending, which is sacrosanct and should never be questioned
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2009, 03:07:39 AM
Jeez, TA, that's a terribly dishonest summary of what you linked to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2009, 03:15:50 AM
Quote from: Willco on April 15, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Rep. Ron Paul is calling on Congress to consider using letters of marque and reprisal, a power written into the Constitution that allows the United States to hire private citizens to keep international waters safe. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21245.html) :lol

FlameOfCallandor can go after the pirates himself now!

I called this!  I called it!


Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2009, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: Malek on March 27, 2009, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on March 27, 2009, 11:22:57 PM
invisible hand
invisible hand--guiding private police forces and private armies. (this solution has actually been proposed by anarcho-capitalists)

Some libertarians will argue that there are historical examples of privatized law enforcement (mostly 19th century England) which could be adapted to our society.

If you ever find yourself suggesting that the navy be replaced by letters of marque, it may be time to reconsider how you pick and choose your political battles.

I award myself ten points and half of the loot from any vessels I capture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2009, 03:34:29 AM
Mandark, are you and Federwang nervous about Obama NOW???

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/30549/teabagger.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2009, 03:41:08 AM
Another winner:

(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa8/kimoco/IMG_0013-4.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2009, 03:42:55 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 16, 2009, 03:34:29 AM
Mandark, are you and Federwang nervous about Obama NOW???

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/30549/teabagger.jpg

Nothing new. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22white+male+is+the+jew+of+liberal+fascism%22&btnG=Search)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 16, 2009, 04:11:56 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 16, 2009, 03:34:29 AM
Mandark, are you and Federwang nervous about Obama NOW???

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/30549/teabagger.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2009, 04:21:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLQ3rEZkoo

Glenn Beck challenging Colbert? He's gonna get annihilated (Beck, I mean). :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 16, 2009, 04:41:01 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 16, 2009, 04:21:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLQ3rEZkoo

Glenn Beck challenging Colbert? He's gonna get annihilated (Beck, I mean). :rofl :rofl :rofl

I would love to see this, Colbert probably has the quickest mind in showbuisness, Beck not so much.

Edit: LOL at Nugent punctuating Beck's comments with INTENSE GUITAR NOODLING

Quote
An interviewer from the British newspaper The Independent questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview in High Times magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam draft.[32]

"I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up." [32]

What a Patriot!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 16, 2009, 04:49:07 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 16, 2009, 04:41:01 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 16, 2009, 04:21:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLQ3rEZkoo

Glenn Beck challenging Colbert? He's gonna get annihilated (Beck, I mean). :rofl :rofl :rofl

I would love to see this, Colbert probably has the quickest mind in showbuisness, Beck not so much.

Guest:  *I'm passing out!*
Beck: Uh-huh. So the governments eating up these cancerous assets right?
Guest: Yea. *wavers back and forth*
Beck: You okay?
Guest: *I'm passing out!*
Beck: *nods* okay.  You want to shake hands?
Guest: I'm gone. *passes out*
Beck:  Can someone get this guy some help please!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
:michigancry
(http://photos.mlive.com/photos/grandrapidspress/c38743d6f1eefa781363727ea90fdef8.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 09:36:06 AM
How do any of those posters make sense? Obama has lowered taxes on 95% of Americans view the stimulus package. The ones who'll pay more haven't had their taxes increase yet.


Do they actually think they are paying more in taxes somehow?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 09:44:09 AM
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/loudes13/DSCN1392.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 10:04:38 AM
Colbert ripped apart Beck last night. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 10:12:56 AM
THIS IS A REVOLUTION!`
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 10:13:47 AM
i was surprised when i saw a black female in one of the photos
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 10:14:42 AM
It's a trick! Get an axe!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: tiesto on April 16, 2009, 10:17:09 AM
Driving home yesterday, the traffic was brutal because everyone was rubbernecking the teabaggers protesting in front of the local government building. It got a surprising turnout, my friend said it best when he said "look at the crowd, it's all old white people... not a single minority there". Then again, I had to remind him we live in Smithtown, a super-white area.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 10:17:41 AM
I watched beck clips.

Why are they claiming to be the majority ("The majority of this country won't take it anymore" "We are the silent majority, standing up to a government who won't listen to the American people."....etc)? Do they at ALL remember there was an election pretty damn recently? This baffles me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
Is Michigan the new South? seems so

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RimDpPRzrbY&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: Green Man on April 16, 2009, 10:16:33 AM
Wait, why is the guy with 300 being used? HES NOT EVEN AMERICAN. And those Asian kids. That's bullshit because they're guaranteed decent jobs and a good chunk of change. It's in their DNA.
http://photos.mlive.com/grandrapidspress/2009/04/tax_protests.html (http://photos.mlive.com/grandrapidspress/2009/04/tax_protests.html)

According to the article, they are adopted Chinese kids. Outsourcing American pregnancies  :usacry

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
Is Michigan the new South? seems so

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RimDpPRzrbY&feature=related[/youtube]
Michigan voted for Obama by a massive 16 point margin, we did fine. And our state never voted for Bush once.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 10:45:56 AM
Michigan voted for Obama by a massive 16 point margin, we did fine. And our state never voted for Bush once.  :american

omg, check out the comments under that video. some dude just argued that Obama endorsed wiretapping, which violates the second amendment  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: tiesto on April 16, 2009, 11:38:39 AM
So, I sent a link to my libertardian friend about Ron Paul and the Letters of Marque, now he's in love with the concept, wanting to start his own army to take out the pirates. It's amazing how my friend claims to not be brainwashed by the media and thinks for himself... but agrees with every word that comes out of RP's mouth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: Green Man on April 16, 2009, 10:59:07 AM
(http://j883376.mirror.waffleimages.com/waffleimages/files/02/0296b7595a388d5611e1f791c78e80c4f7dd5cb3.jpg)
(http://scuttle.mirror.waffleimages.com/data/files/c2/c2f2ed328088c1d123ed97051f8a9c58eed12f31.jpg)


This is why this tea party was a failure and does nothing but further make the right look like a fringe.

When the left protested Bush it was almost always about one thing. War.

The right? They were protesting taxes, spending, abortion, decreasing moral values, immigration, gay marriage, Obama being a secret Muslim, acorn, you name it. It was a random jumble of right wing opinion on every topic imaginable.


Wait is that a anti BIDEN sign in the background with the letters of his name spelling and stuff. What the hell has Biden done worth protesting?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 16, 2009, 11:47:57 AM
the acorn thing just baffles me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 10:45:56 AM
Michigan voted for Obama by a massive 16 point margin, we did fine. And our state never voted for Bush once.  :american

omg, check out the comments under that video. some dude just argued that Obama endorsed wiretapping, which violates the second amendment  :lol

To be fair, Obama HAS kind of endorsed wiretapping.

The tea parties were a joke.  We're all just laughing at them now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on April 16, 2009, 11:47:57 AM
the acorn thing just baffles me.

That's because you're a fascist.

GLENN BECK/SARAH PALIN 2012 :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 11:58:08 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 11:43:23 AM

This is why this tea party was a failure and does nothing but further make the right look like a fringe.

When the left protested Bush it was almost always about one thing. War.

The right? They were protesting taxes, spending, abortion, decreasing moral values, immigration, gay marriage, Obama being a secret Muslim, acorn, you name it. It was a random jumble of right wing opinion on every topic imaginable.


Wait is that a anti BIDEN sign in the background with the letters of his name spelling and stuff. What the hell has Biden done worth protesting?  :lol

leftist protests had a lot of that too.  animal testing, environmentalism, 9/11 truthers would all attach themselves to the war protests though.  at least that i would see in dc

you always have fringe elements that attach to where they think they can pick up like minded individuals

for instance antiwar protesters would show up and intermingle w/ anti police brutality protesters in dc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 12:54:14 PM
Acorn is pretty much for conservatives what Diebold was for liberals.

People don't like losing elections and would rather assume it was stolen. It is in a way easier to rationalize than to accept the fact most don't agree with you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2009, 12:55:04 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6098836.ece
:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2009, 01:00:59 PM
Quote
Shimon Shiffer, the Yedioth Achronoth correspondent and one of Israel's top journalists, is reporting today that Rahm Emanuel told a top Jewish organizational figure that President Obama intends to see a Palestinian state created during his first term.

"In the next four years there is going to be a permanent status arrangement between Israel and the Palestinians on the basis of two states for two peoples, and it doesn't matter to us at all who is prime minister," Shiffer quotes Emanuel as saying.

More details here including the President's decision to be "out of town" when Netanyahu comes to Washington for the AIPAC conference.

I'll try to find a link in English. So far, the story is only in Hebrew.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/16/rahm_emanuel_obama_laying_down_law_to_netanyahu/

hm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
Honeymoon over!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 01:13:28 PM
Obama's argument rational. No one, well no one outside of Israel could ever imagine Palestine and Israel coming to terms without Palestine having its own land.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
(http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr262/damn_true/tea%20party/CIMG4045.jpg)

SD?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2009, 03:11:19 PM
The alternative, of course, is having a South Africa type situation where there's one state but the majority of the people in the state (Palestinians) don't have rights, since I doubt a sizable number of Palestinians are gonna vote for even a cuddly Jew, much less a hardass like Netanyahu or a nutbar like Avigdor Lieberman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2009, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2009, 01:13:28 PM
Obama's argument rational. No one, well no one outside of Israel could ever imagine Palestine and Israel coming to terms without Palestine having its own land.

It needs to be done. End of story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 16, 2009, 03:46:16 PM
I saw a tea party while driving back to my hotel on myrtle beach. One sign read, "Honk if you are paying my mortgage"..... I was confused. Does he mean that he doesn't work and the govt. is paying his mortgage to keep him out of forclosure and he is mad about it?

I also got kind of pissed off seeing them. I guessed that there were maybe 100 people probably less. I wanted to go back with my sign but I remembered that I was probably in a red state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 03:46:42 PM
i think that "finder's keeper's" rule of imperialism will be just fine myself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2009, 03:49:49 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on April 16, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
Is Michigan the new South? seems so

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RimDpPRzrbY&feature=related[/youtube]

"WHERE'S YOUR TELEPROMPTER LOL"

Holy shit, so it's apparently better to drop out of school and immediately start working at McDonald's, because you'd wind up with the same amount of money in the end under Obama's tax plan.

Jesus Christo, these people need a face full of shotgun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
Also, totally random thing not directly related to the topic at hand,  I know you guys don't like libertarians, but Bill Maher's pretty neato potato.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfoWEk8d7gg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 16, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 16, 2009, 03:11:19 PM
The alternative, of course, is having a South Africa type situation where there's one state but the majority of the people in the state (Palestinians) don't have rights, since I doubt a sizable number of Palestinians are gonna vote for even a cuddly Jew, much less a hardass like Netanyahu or a nutbar like Avigdor Lieberman.

It'd be nice to think that the two groups can live together but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen. If Israel had a measure of sanity left they'd embrace the two state solution ASAP, cuz they won't be in such a position of strength in the future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 04:52:34 PM
lots of casual racism at these things

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 05:03:32 PM
I say we hold a MEGA TEA PARTY SPONSORED BY GLENN BECK in the middle of the Nevada desert and nuke everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 16, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 16, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
Also, totally random thing not directly related to the topic at hand,  I know you guys don't like libertarians, but Bill Maher's pretty neato potato.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfoWEk8d7gg

Maher was only really libertarian in a former life (back in the Politically Incorrect days he still considered himself a libertarian Republican), I'd say he's more independant and leaning left on most things now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2009, 05:16:13 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2vumz9v.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 16, 2009, 05:28:42 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 03:09:44 PM
(http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr262/damn_true/tea%20party/CIMG4045.jpg)

SD?!

AWESOME
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 16, 2009, 05:33:49 PM
On a serious note though, Obama's announcement of the high speed rail plan is great. I just wish they would be more honest with the total costs. $13B over five years doesn't seem nearly enough. Infrastructure like this that would probably have a nice effect on commerce/economic growth. I think there's an argument to be made that its definately something we should be spending a lot of money on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 06:41:11 PM
it's time to close down the internet

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/snapshot_013.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 16, 2009, 06:58:54 PM
The high speed rail announcement is awesome - if it ever comes to fruition.  I don't believe for a second that Americans have the balls to fund and build a passenger railroad infrastructure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 16, 2009, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on April 16, 2009, 06:58:54 PM
The high speed rail announcement is awesome - if it ever comes to fruition.  I don't believe for a second that Americans have the balls to fund and build a passenger railroad infrastructure.

perhaps that's what we need to do. We need to go to americans and say "what, you too pussy to build a railroad?  even sissy france has railroads.  tiny dicked asians have railroad.  the dude you buy slurpees from in the summer, his country has railroads.  why don't you?  you too scared?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 16, 2009, 07:01:01 PM
Insect torture, god damn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 16, 2009, 07:04:11 PM
If it worked I am all for it....nothing would please me more than to be able to ditch my car forever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 16, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
I'm all for installing high speed rail lines across the country. It will be great for a lot of people, but I don't see it eliminating the need for most people to have a car. A lot of Americans don't live in or near large urban centers. Many cities and towns aren't set up like they are in Europe and Asia where this works incredibly well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 16, 2009, 07:16:08 PM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 16, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
I'm all for installing high speed rail lines across the country. It will be great for a lot of people, but I don't see it eliminating the need for most people to have a car. A lot of Americans don't live in or near large urban centers. Many cities and towns aren't set up like they are in Europe and Asia where this works incredibly well.

then those people should either move to real cities or die alone in the wilderness, their choice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 16, 2009, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 16, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
I'm all for installing high speed rail lines across the country. It will be great for a lot of people, but I don't see it eliminating the need for most people to have a car. A lot of Americans don't live in or near large urban centers. Many cities and towns aren't set up like they are in Europe and Asia where this works incredibly well.

I kinda hate this argument...the best part of the vast expanses where nobody lives is that NOBODY LIVES THERE and therefore investing in infrastructure there isn't really as required. An overwhelming majority of Americans live in urban centers and surrounding areas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2009, 07:25:44 PM
distant's got a point.  A lot of people live in exurbs which aren't dense enough to support good metro systems and where hub-to-hub rail wouldn't be a big help.

But things got that way because of decisions to support roads over rail and sprawl over density.  We chose this as a society and we can change it as a society.  Train-friendly development happens because there's a good train system in place.

Not saying we'll become the UK overnight or even in 20 years.  But there's a ton of room to improve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 16, 2009, 07:29:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 16, 2009, 07:25:44 PM
distant's got a point.  A lot of people live in exurbs which aren't dense enough to support good metro systems and where hub-to-hub rail wouldn't be a big help.

But things got that way because of decisions to support roads over rail and sprawl over density.  We chose this as a society and we can change it as a society.  Train-friendly development happens because there's a good train system in place.

Not saying we'll become the UK overnight or even in 20 years.  But there's a ton of room to improve.

IMO, Park n' Ride systems seem a decent solution...it'd mostly be pretty easy for a person to drive 5-10min to their closest terminal, but being stuck on a "highway" going an average of 5mph for an hour and a half isn't good for anyone.

I don't think anyone expects America to turn into NYC overnight where someone can go their entire adult lives without even learning how to drive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 16, 2009, 07:29:59 PM
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/moore-award-nominee-1.html

"I’m really enjoying this whole teabag thing. It’s really inspiring some excellent daydreaming. For one thing, it’s brought together the words teabag and Michelle Malkin for me in a very powerful, thrilling sort of way. Not that I haven’t ever put those two concepts together before, but this is the first time it’s happened while in the process of reading her actual columns...Now when I read her stuff, I imagine her narrating her text, book-on-tape style, with a big, hairy set of balls in her mouth. It vastly improves her prose," - Matt Taibbi, True/Slant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 16, 2009, 08:07:02 PM
All I know is that if I have the option to take a train somewhere and not have to rely on a car then I will be happy.  Probably comes from my love for daydreaming while my parents drove when I was a kid.

And Mandark is right....we created this sprawl and we can uncreate it.


Electric cars are great and all but I would rather be able to do without one altogether.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2009, 08:15:45 PM
(http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/chicag.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 16, 2009, 08:57:51 PM
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/olc_memos.html

Holy cow. Are these people going to be persecuted and charged for war crimes?

This shit is not human.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 16, 2009, 09:28:11 PM
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04/15/teabagging-michelle-malkin/ -- matt taibbi :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 16, 2009, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on April 16, 2009, 09:28:11 PM
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04/15/teabagging-michelle-malkin/ -- matt taibbi :bow2 :bow2

already posted by YT

but so awesome it should be posted twice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 17, 2009, 12:49:27 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123992516941227309.html#mod%3DtestMod%26articleTabs%3Dcomments (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123992516941227309.html#mod%3DtestMod%26articleTabs%3Dcomments)

The administration knew about this when they appointed him. More hopenchange in the new era of responsibility.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2009, 12:54:25 AM
TDS was on fire tonight, aside from the lame Affleck interview.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 17, 2009, 01:55:19 AM
Quote from: Green Man on April 16, 2009, 09:58:03 PM
comic

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2009, 02:59:58 AM
Wow, Republicans are just trying to look like deranged lunatics now I guess:

Trailing by 178 votes in the NY-20 special election, Republican Jim Tedisco sues to have himself declared the winner. (http://www.registerstar.com/articles/2009/04/17/news/news02.txt)

Quote
COLUMBIA COUNTY — 20th Congressional District candidate Republican Jim Tedisco submitted a petition to the Dutchess County Supreme Court Thursday asking the judge to declare him the winner of the extremely close special election race, despite the numbers currently being in favor of his opponent, Democrat Scott Murphy.

According to The Associated Press, Murphy leads Tedisco by 178 votes district wide — 79,452 to 79,274. The only ballots that have not been counted are those challenged by each candidate’s lawyers, and while Tedisco’s office has said the challenges are roughly evenly split between the two camps, Columbia County lawyers for Murphy have only challenged 22 ballots, while Tedisco’s have challenged 258.

This, challenging Kirsten Gillibrand's ballot, and Norm Coleman's epic voyage to nowhere are making Republicans look even more like sore losers who are divorced from reality.  I guess only in Republican-land are you a winner when you're trailing by almost 200 votes and you challenged more than the other guy in the counting of the absentee ballots.  I almost can't wait for 2010, to be honest.

edit:  oh holy shit, I completely missed that they stopped adjudicating ballot disputes because the Republican official left to go to the Yankees game. (http://www.politickerny.com/3118/murphys-lead-doubles-recounting-stalls-absence-republican-official)

Somehow I'm sure this is all ACORN's fault...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on April 17, 2009, 03:28:20 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 16, 2009, 05:33:49 PM
On a serious note though, Obama's announcement of the high speed rail plan is great. I just wish they would be more honest with the total costs. $13B over five years doesn't seem nearly enough. Infrastructure like this that would probably have a nice effect on commerce/economic growth. I think there's an argument to be made that its definately something we should be spending a lot of money on.

Rail is one of those things you commit a somewhat-modest (well, in the context of overall federal spending) sum for a decade or longer to get results. Building new infrastructure like that takes a lot of time, but it is IMO worth it. Also, a lot of the rail system costs would be shared with state and local funding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 17, 2009, 09:25:02 AM
Stiglitz isn't convinced:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afYsmJyngAXQ&refer=home (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afYsmJyngAXQ&refer=home)

That's not good.


Also, Dodd only raised $4250 from just five Connecticut residents in the first quarter.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2009, 10:08:52 AM
Well, it beats the $845 that Roland Burris raised.  No, not from Illinois residents- TOTAL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2009, 10:22:01 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 17, 2009, 09:25:02 AM

Also, Dodd only raised $4250 from just five Connecticut residents in the first quarter.  :lol
There has to be some CT Democrat to primary him. I think he could easily lose the primary if a good enough candidate would run against him.

But in the end if he is the nominee I'm fine with him going down, there are at least 3 senate sets 100% guaranteed to switch to Democrat so it would work out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 17, 2009, 04:23:37 PM
Dodd is hardly the worst Dem in the Senate, despite his usual uslessness, he's occassionally awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 17, 2009, 05:09:04 PM
Oh, RLC. Made by a virulent racist and creationist named "Hapajap" (it's ok to say that, he's half-Japanese!) who fell for an online pyramid scheme and tried to get his readers to do the same thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 17, 2009, 05:11:18 PM
these aren't parodies?

really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Positive Touch on April 17, 2009, 06:08:39 PM
yeah, i don't understand how these work if they aren't parodies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 17, 2009, 06:10:30 PM
I just watched yesterdays daily show.  Awesome stuff. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2009, 08:14:39 PM
Steve Schmit, McCain's campaign manager gave a pretty interesting speech the other day. As a Republican who ran a national campaign he believes Democrats are going to keep winning unless Republicans radically change. That Democrats are growing their support amongst the young, hispanics, and all other growing areas of the population...etc. Here is part of it.

Quote
    While I think projections of a political re-alignment are premature based on the results of two elections, I would rather be in the Democrats' shoes than ours.  Their coalition is expanding.  Ours is shrinking.  Their vote share is increasing among voter segments that are growing.  Ours is not.  The rapid growth of the Hispanic-American population, for instance, could soon cost Republicans the entire Southwest if we don't recover our previous share of their vote.  Had Senator McCain not been the Republican nominee in 2008, I'm convinced we would have lost Arizona.  It's very hard to see how we put together 270 electoral votes without the Southwest.

    As a percentage of the total vote, younger voters didn't really increase in the last election.  But the Democrats' margin with those voters certainly did.  In short, we were crushed by the Obama campaign with voters under 30.  President Obama was a uniquely attractive candidate to younger voters, in matters of style as much as substance.  And maybe as those voters grow older and acquire greater responsibilities they will develop a better appreciation for Republican values of limited government, fiscal discipline, low taxes and a strong defense.  That has happened in the past.

    But even if they do, I doubt they will abandon social attributes that distinguish them from older voters; among them, a greater acceptance of people who find happiness in relationships with members of the same sex.  And I believe Republicans should re-examine the extent to which we are being defined by positions on issues that I don't believe are among our core values, and that put us at odds with what I expect will become over time, if not a consensus view, then the view of a substantial majority of voters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2009, 09:27:59 PM
Obama has done today something Bush refused to do, talk with Hugo Chavez.

(http://images.politico.com/global/politico44/090417_obama_chavez_ap_163.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 17, 2009, 11:10:31 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3300/3446664194_7a516c1f4a.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 18, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
Quote
*Sleep deprivation. “The primary method of sleep deprivation involves the use of shackling to keep the detainees awake. In this method, the detainee is standing and is handcuffed, and the handcuffs are attached by a length of chain to the ceiling... a detainee undergoing sleep deprivation is generally fed by hand by CIA personnel so that he need not be unshackled. If the detainee is clothed, he wears an adult diaper under his pants. Detainees subject to sleep deprivation who are also subject to nudity... will at times be nude and wearing a diaper. The maximum allowable duration is 180 hours...”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 03:06:17 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 18, 2009, 02:59:52 AM
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*Sleep deprivation. “The primary method of sleep deprivation involves the use of shackling to keep the detainees awake. In this method, the detainee is standing and is handcuffed, and the handcuffs are attached by a length of chain to the ceiling... a detainee undergoing sleep deprivation is generally fed by hand by CIA personnel so that he need not be unshackled. If the detainee is clothed, he wears an adult diaper under his pants. Detainees subject to sleep deprivation who are also subject to nudity... will at times be nude and wearing a diaper. The maximum allowable duration is 180 hours...”

oh no
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 18, 2009, 04:21:50 AM
Was there a new episode of Real Time today?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 18, 2009, 03:45:04 PM
Michigan Teabaggers owned
 http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/04/peter_luke_tea_party_tax_prote.html (http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/04/peter_luke_tea_party_tax_prote.html)

Quote from: Peter Luke
Lawmakers this week are expected to begin work on a hike in fuel taxes, last raised in 1997, and vehicle registration fees, sending them to Gov. Jennifer Granholm by summer.

Without those increases, Michigan's road-repair budget will soon be broke. And yet, billions are needed to keep one of the nation's most decrepit road systems in reasonably good shape.

But the Michigan Republican Party has cemented an anti-tax stance that appeals to its most conservative, tea-bag-waving elements. That makes it tough for radical outfits like the Michigan Chamber of Commerce to persuade GOP lawmakers to join Granholm and Democrats in raising transportation taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 04:48:27 PM
Wow, our roads are already shitty.

but fuck, maybe we should just cut taxes/services and see how people like that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 07:00:22 PM
[youtube=560,345]OAiXkw-7PxQ[/youtube]
tea party ownage around 1:20  :lol

that being said, Janeane Garofalo can gtfo with her "they're all racists" nonsense. Hope her character dies in 24
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on April 18, 2009, 07:13:27 PM
Here is the video that they talked about:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I[/youtube]

I love how some people chime in at the start of the guy's speech, "what happened to that surplus?"  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 18, 2009, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 04:48:27 PM
Wow, our roads are already shitty.

but fuck, maybe we should just cut taxes/services and see how people like that
Nooo, I want my roads fixed. Roads are shitty here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 18, 2009, 08:17:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 07:00:22 PM
[youtube=560,345]OAiXkw-7PxQ[youtube]
tea party ownage around 1:20  :lol

that being said, Janeane Garofalo can gtfo with her "they're all racists" nonsense. Hope her character dies in 24

"Cavuto Emptor" it was only onscreen for half a second, but I lol'd
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 18, 2009, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 04:48:27 PM
Wow, our roads are already shitty.

but fuck, maybe we should just cut taxes/services and see how people like that
Nooo, I want my roads fixed. Roads are shitty here.

Nah cut taxes, get rid of gov services. Lets see how people like that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 18, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on April 18, 2009, 03:45:04 PM
Michigan Teabaggers owned
 http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/04/peter_luke_tea_party_tax_prote.html (http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/04/peter_luke_tea_party_tax_prote.html)

Quote from: Peter Luke
Lawmakers this week are expected to begin work on a hike in fuel taxes, last raised in 1997, and vehicle registration fees, sending them to Gov. Jennifer Granholm by summer.

Without those increases, Michigan's road-repair budget will soon be broke. And yet, billions are needed to keep one of the nation's most decrepit road systems in reasonably good shape.

But the Michigan Republican Party has cemented an anti-tax stance that appeals to its most conservative, tea-bag-waving elements. That makes it tough for radical outfits like the Michigan Chamber of Commerce to persuade GOP lawmakers to join Granholm and Democrats in raising transportation taxes.

Higher taxes and fees are the perfect way to revive a state already on life support. Although I shouldn't be talking as Georgia has something like a $200B DOT shortfall over the next 30 years.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 18, 2009, 08:34:17 PM
The general quality of roads in the US is atrocious at best.  ASCE gave it a D.

Funny, for an economy so committed to private industry, the way they neglected one of the biggest components to ensure private industry (transportation of goods) is mind boggling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 18, 2009, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 18, 2009, 08:14:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 04:48:27 PM
Wow, our roads are already shitty.

but fuck, maybe we should just cut taxes/services and see how people like that
Nooo, I want my roads fixed. Roads are shitty here.

Nah cut taxes, get rid of gov services. Lets see how people like that
In a weird way I am going to kind of miss Granholm even though she was far from a great governor. Something about her spunky personality I guess. She reaches the end of her second and final term next year.  And the democratic nominee is going to be this fat balding dude with a mustache.  :-\
(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0a4Ff6U1DYetB/610x.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2009, 10:49:24 PM
so we gonna get more DeVos pyramid scheme lovin?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 19, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
Quote from: T EXP on April 18, 2009, 08:34:17 PM
The general quality of roads in the US is atrocious at best.  ASCE gave it a D.

Funny, for an economy so committed to private industry, the way they neglected one of the biggest components to ensure private industry (transportation of goods) is mind boggling.
Wasnt' their a bigger US infrastructure rating for the US as a whole that got a D also?  Pathetic if true, but a challenge for the US.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2009, 03:10:31 AM
http://mediamatters.org/items/200904180004?f=h_latest

It's like watching Colbert, I fucking swear
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 09:35:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2009, 03:10:31 AM
http://mediamatters.org/items/200904180004?f=h_latest

It's like watching Colbert, I fucking swear
wtf???? The stock market has been rallying for 6 weeks, as she mentioned. How could a protest in the LAST week explain the 5 weeks prior to that?  :lol

Wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 19, 2009, 10:09:38 AM
Quote from: Rman on April 19, 2009, 01:33:56 AM
Quote from: T EXP on April 18, 2009, 08:34:17 PM
The general quality of roads in the US is atrocious at best.  ASCE gave it a D.

Funny, for an economy so committed to private industry, the way they neglected one of the biggest components to ensure private industry (transportation of goods) is mind boggling.
Wasnt' their a bigger US infrastructure rating for the US as a whole that got a D also?  Pathetic if true, but a challenge for the US.

The infrastructure of the US in general is crap.  Most of the ideas of infrastructure haven't evolved since the 1950s.  The nicest roads are for the most part, only the ones that were built to accommodate the suburban sprawl that happened since then.

As a CE, there are a lot of things that need to be fixed.  I'm a big fan of light speed rail for the urban areas (with a few rail lines connecting across the country) but it will be a long time until the infrastructure of the US is built around these lines.  In the meantime, the transportation grid needs to be repaired until a few decades from now when technologies will evolve to the point where roads are used less and less.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:13:54 AM
I think there's just too many competing political interests for things to be fixed. Atlanta is a great example of this:

1) The city owns land north of the northern suburbs that is supposed to be used for a second airport (like Hobby in Houston). Instead of perhaps starting to develop plans for a second airport, the city spends $1.2 billion on a 5th runway at Hartsfield. Was the fifth runway needed? Yeah probably, but there's also a desperate need for a second airport. Politics play a huge role in this.

2) MARTA in Atlanta is a complete disaster. For one, its supposed to be for Fulton and Dekalb County only. So, you have Fulton/Dekalb County residents being taxed to pay for it and all the other counties are able to free ride. Other counties don't want their taxes hiked. You're left with MARTA in Fulton/Dekalb and ad hoc bus solutions in other counties (that happen to dump their riders off at MARTA stations). Makes no sense why there can't be a much more robust rail system. Unfortunately, race plays a huge role in this. The lilly white northern suburbs just don't want the inner city folks to have easy access into their backyards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
Its painful watching people trying to defend Obama's budget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:25:33 AM
Its painful watching people trying to defend Obama's budget.
Well it is very much worth defending.  It has a lot of good policies in it. I love the money set aside for health care reform. You seem to forget a lot of people LIKE the government to spend money and do things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 19, 2009, 11:49:32 AM
The budget is less than ideal but these are less than ideal times.  Deficit spending sucks but avoiding further panics and near collapses takes priority.  Yes, someday we will have to pay those massive debts back at the expense of the taxpayer but we're all in this together.  Those who made a lot of benefit from the way things were done in 1980-2008 shouldn't bitch in 2009 when the good times are coming to a close (ie, low taxes, lack of accountability, etc.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
You seem to forget a lot of people LIKE the government to spend money and do things.

That's great and all, but there's no money to spend.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on April 19, 2009, 12:07:51 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEF2-a6QBx8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
You seem to forget a lot of people LIKE the government to spend money and do things.

That's great and all, but there's no money to spend.
Not everyone is a deficit hawk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2009, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
You seem to forget a lot of people LIKE the government to spend money and do things.

That's great and all, but there's no money to spend.

Like that's ever stopped the govt. before.  At least now we're talking about getting tangible benefits from the money spent instead of shit like "dead brown people", not leaving children behind, the stupid medicare drug boondoggle that's basically corporate welfare, and tax cuts that disproportionately benefit the rich.  Who, by the way, are not, never have been and never will trickle it down in case you haven't fucking noticed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/18/limbaugh-mccain-torture/

Disgusting. I hope to god McCain responds
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
You seem to forget a lot of people LIKE the government to spend money and do things.

That's great and all, but there's no money to spend.

How is it you've adopted Paul Krugman yet you can't seem to get your mind around countercyclical fiscal policy?

It's a pretty impressive feat of cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 19, 2009, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on April 18, 2009, 07:13:27 PM
Here is the video that they talked about:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I[/youtube]

I love how some people chime in at the start of the guy's speech, "what happened to that surplus?"  :lol

That guy is my new hero. I think he catches everyone off guard there at the end. The silence was deafening. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 03:44:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2009, 02:41:15 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/18/limbaugh-mccain-torture/

Disgusting. I hope to god McCain responds
Rush doesn't seem to recall that McCain point blank said torture DOESN'T work because it got him to break and admit to things he never did. Thus proving it a useless tool. McCain broke, but he broke and said things that weren't true to end the pain. Destroying the entire torture argument and lead McCain to be a anti-torture advocate.

What a idiot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 03:56:43 PM
There's a distinct difference between short-term countercyclical fiscal policy and running an average $1 trillion deficit over the next 10 years. Not that anyone here is willing to recognize that though.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2009, 04:23:11 PM
If you're not objecting to the fiscal stimulus, then you might want to stop giving people the wrong impression by calling it "porkulus" (lololol) and kvetching about this year's budget.

Yeah, it shows deficits in the medium-long term, but neither the underlying economic assumptions or the policies are anywhere near set in stone.  Plus the Obama budget decreases the long-term deficit compared to current (ie Bush) policy, and you didn't bitch anything like this about those unfunded tax cuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 19, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
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Insert Quote
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/18/limbaugh-mccain-torture/

Disgusting. I hope to god McCain responds

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update: Media Matters notes that at another point during his program yesterday, Limbaugh began slapping himself to mock anyone who believed slapping detainees in U.S. custody qualified as mistreatment. "I just slapped myself. I'm torturing myself right now. That's torture according to these people," Limbaugh said.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
I don't completely object to stimulus. But, most economists agree that the $787B version is a disaster and won't have any lasting immediate impact (not to mention its cost is a negative drag ten years out). I would be just as against this budget if it were a REP proposing it. How anyone can say its "worth defending" when it doubles Bush's double is beyond my comprehension. And you're right about the underlying assumptions - there's no way China/et al will fund it.

The Bush tax cuts were horribly misguided. They should have had some kind of sunset clause that triggered when the deficit got too high. I've always been consistant on that point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2009, 04:55:15 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
How anyone can say its "worth defending" when it doubles Bush's double is beyond my comprehension.

Assuming the second "double" is meant to be "deficit", that's horribly dishonest.

The Obama budget projects less debt than extending the Bush policies.  This is fairly simple.  Also...

Quote from: siamesedreamer
But, most economists agree that the $787B version is a disaster and won't have any lasting immediate impact

That's pretty much a flat-out lie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2009, 05:08:28 PM
edit: smh  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2009, 05:09:55 PM
I think you got the wrong thread there, champ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 19, 2009, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
I don't completely object to stimulus. But, most economists agree that the $787B version is a disaster and won't have any lasting immediate impact (not to mention its cost is a negative drag ten years out).
Yeah but many of them (I'd wager most) don't say that because he is spending too much like yourself. They think he isn't being bold enough and didn't spend enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
They think most of it is spent too late and too much of it is tax cuts/refunds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 19, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 19, 2009, 07:23:54 PM
They think most of it is spent too late and too much of it is tax cuts/refunds.

You can thank the GOP for that, dummy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 01:26:38 AM
Er...that was Obama's offer at the outset. Y'all were pissed IIRC.
Title: The food's awful and the portions are small.
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2009, 01:45:06 AM
What's your point here?  That deficits suck and Obama doesn't have enough of them?  That Obama's policies increase the long-term deficit compared to Bush's policies?  That any day now bond rates are totally going to skyrocket and bury us under interest payments on the debt?

You're all over the place.  Coherent explanation of your points, plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 01:51:26 AM
http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/04/economic-cliff-diving-by-charts.html (http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/04/economic-cliff-diving-by-charts.html)

Its not that some are bad, its that everything across the board almost apocalyptic.   :(

The fall corporate tax receipts are literally off the chart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2009, 01:55:50 AM
Also this.  You've made a habit of posting terrible economic news (I guess "unemployment is an artifact of the minimum wage hike" is no longer operative), but you don't see that it argues for a more forceful intervention, rather than a more timid one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 02:39:16 AM
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President Obama’s top economic advisers have determined that they can shore up the nation’s banking system without having to ask Congress for more money any time soon, according to administration officials.

In a significant shift, White House and Treasury Department officials now say they can stretch what is left of the $700 billion financial bailout fund further than they had expected a few months ago, simply by converting the government’s existing loans to the nation’s 19 biggest banks into common stock.

Converting those loans to common shares would turn the federal aid into available capital for a bank — and give the government a large ownership stake in return.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/business/20bailout.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/business/20bailout.html)

On April 9th, the administration leaked that all 19 banks passed the stress tests. Now they're saying they may convert the government loans into common stock. Just more bullshit. Why can't anyone be honest about what's going on? Obviously these stress tests have revealed significant problems. But, somehow they all passed. Right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2009, 02:42:06 AM
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Rep. Jane Harman , the California Democrat with a longtime involvement in intelligence issues, was overheard on an NSA wiretap telling a suspected Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department reduce espionage-related charges against two officials of the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful pro-Israel organization in Washington.

Harman was recorded saying she would “waddle into” the AIPAC case “if you think it’ll make a difference,” according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript.

In exchange for Harman’s help, the sources said, the suspected Israeli agent pledged to help lobby Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., then-House minority leader, to appoint Harman chair of the Intelligence Committee after the 2006 elections, which the Democrats were heavily favored to win.

Seemingly wary of what she had just agreed to, according to an official who read the NSA transcript, Harman hung up after saying, “This conversation doesn’t exist.”
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What is new is that Harman is said to have been picked up on a court-approved NSA tap directed at alleged Israel covert action operations in Washington.

And that, contrary to reports that the Harman investigation was dropped for “lack of evidence,” it was Alberto R. Gonzales, President Bush’s top counsel and then attorney general, who intervened to stop the Harman probe.

Why? Because, according to three top former national security officials, Gonzales wanted Harman to be able to help defend the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program, which was about break in The New York Times and engulf the White House.

As for there being “no evidence” to support the FBI probe, a source with first-hand knowledge of the wiretaps called that “bull****.”

“I read those transcripts,” said the source, who like other former national security officials familiar with the transcript discussed it only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of domestic NSA eavesdropping.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hsnews-000003098436&cpage=1
 :o

Israel agents have to ask US politicians to help them, and promise possible rewards? What happened to them being in control of Washington, bribing people with gold, etc  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2009, 03:44:40 AM
I think we can all agree- shame on San Fran Nancy for not letting Israel Jane chair the intelligence committee. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-clemons/the-pelosiharman-fault-l_b_34655.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 09:42:22 AM
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President Obama plans to convene his Cabinet for the first time today, and he will order its members to identify a combined $100 million in budget cuts over the next 90 days, according to a senior administration official.

Although the budget cuts would amount to a minuscule portion of federal spending, they are intended to signal the president's determination to cut spending and reform government, the official said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042000641.html?hpid=topnews (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042000641.html?hpid=topnews)

 :lol

That $100M is .003% of the $3.5 trillion budget just passed. I remember people here ripping McCain over earmarks because it represented such a small portion of the total money spent. Good times.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2009, 10:05:16 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 09:42:22 AM
. I remember people here ripping McCain over earmarks because it represented such a small portion of the total money spent. Good times.



Yeah because McCain was OBSESSED with earmarks/pork. Every single answer at the debates tended to be answered by cutting earmarks. Obama hasn't obsessed over this nonstop like McCain. Stop making useless comparisons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 12:01:31 PM
Obama was just as critical of pork. That is until he had to actually back up that criticism when he signed the pork-laden $410B spending bill last month.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2009, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 12:01:31 PM
Obama was just as critical of pork. That is until he had to actually back up that criticism when he signed the pork-laden $410B spending bill last month.
He was critical of pork but to equal it to McCain?  :lol McCain wouldn't talk about ANYTHING other than pork in those debates pretty much.




Oh and wtf at GOVER NORQUIST making sense and defending Obama over Conservatives attacking him for being friendly with Chavez.  :o ???
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FDR shook hands with Stalin, a mass murderer and tyrant. Nixon shook hands with the leadership of communist China with a similar amount of blood on their hands. The stated ideology of both nation's ruling communist parties at the time called for the destruction of liberty in the United States.

What to do? "Recognize" all governments that are truly in power. Recognition is not approval. Talk to all foreign leaders regularly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
Nah Obama was the one constantly pointing out how pork spending was so small (compared to the total bill/budget/etc) it was not worth the outrage, SD. Remember the debates?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2009, 12:48:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2009, 12:43:58 PM
Nah Obama was the one constantly pointing out how pork spending was so small (compared to the total bill/budget/etc) it was not worth the outrage, SD. Remember the debates?
Yes that is true, Obama always retorted McCain's masturbation over cutting pork with that while he doesn't like it either it is minuscule and cutting it won't do much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2009, 12:50:31 PM
So while SD is wrong about that, I suppose he's right that Obama making a big deal about cutting $100 million is more for show than anything. But who knows, maybe he'll do something like this every month or something like that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 01:24:09 PM
FWIW, Martin Armstrong's Economic Confidence Model turn date is today. Doesn't bottom until June 2011.

Not implying its accurate. But, read some of his works. Pretty interesting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 20, 2009, 02:01:48 PM
Feel the dumb:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSRAvBNtfA[/youtube]

Quote
STEPHANOPOULOS: So what is the responsible way? That’s my question. What is the Republican plan to deal with carbon emissions, which every major scientific organization has said is contributing to climate change?

BOEHNER: George, the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you’ve got more carbon dioxide.

 :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2009, 02:25:34 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 12:01:31 PM
Obama was just as critical of pork. That is until he had to actually back up that criticism when he signed the pork-laden $410B spending bill last month.

Hey hey, it's another lie!




edit:

[youtube=560,345]7sGKvDNdJNA[/youtube]

Watch the whole thing.  The tagline at the end is the best part.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 20, 2009, 02:42:19 PM
Looks like Ron Paul is on the secession bangwagon now too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 20, 2009, 02:48:33 PM
So the UN is now saying Obama is violating international law for not pursuing prosecution on the CIA toture goons.  This being a direct result of the the declassification of the torture memos, not like the UN has any clout about enforcing these things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2009, 03:02:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2009, 12:50:31 PM
So while SD is wrong about that, I suppose he's right that Obama making a big deal about cutting $100 million is more for show than anything. But who knows, maybe he'll do something like this every month or something like that

That wouldn't be a great approach.

Long term, we know where the bills are going to come due:  health care.  Medicare and Medicaid costs are going to explode over the next few decades and everything else is small beans by comparison.

The first steps towards health care reform in Obama's budget are way more important than whatever cuts this turns up, or even the big-ticket military boondoggles they're scrapping.



Rman:  Not the UN so much as one UN official.  I see his point, but I think the truth-and-reconciliation process is the way to go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 20, 2009, 02:42:19 PM
Looks like Ron Paul is on the secession bangwagon now too
He called secession patriotic and American. When it is the complete opposite.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
I'll conceed its misrepresentative.  >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 20, 2009, 04:51:35 PM
So Giuliani is gonna go on a crusade to defend traditional marriage.

el oh el
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 20, 2009, 04:55:47 PM
you forgot to include the pics of him at gay pride parades and in drag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
Word has it he is going to run for Gubna next year.

Also, Tapper fucking annihilated Gibbs today on the $100M vs. the $8B in earmarks. One is small and the other is large. I'll let y'all figure out which is which.
Title: ATTENTION: sd drinking game now includes a shot for "Jake Tapper"
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2009, 05:07:45 PM
The $100 million, because the earmarks don't represent an increase in spending, just a shift in who allocates the money?

Wakka wakka.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2009, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
Word has it he is going to run for Gubna next year.
He'll be crushed by Cuomo who is going to primary David Patterson (and poll data shows Cuomo crushing our favorite blind governor by like 30 points).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 20, 2009, 07:28:13 PM

Why We Should Banish Larry Summers From Public Life

By Naomi Klein, Washington Post, April 19, 2009

I vote to banish Larry Summers. Not from the planet. That wouldn't be nice. Just from public life.

The criticisms of President Obama's chief economic adviser are well known. He's too close to Wall Street. And he's a frightful bully, of both people and countries. Still, we're told we shouldn't care about such minor infractions. Why? Because Summers is brilliant, and the world needs his big brain.

And this brings us to a central and often overlooked cause of the global financial crisis: Brain Bubbles. This is the process wherein the intelligence of an inarguably intelligent person is inflated and valued beyond all reason, creating a dangerous accumulation of unhedged risk. Larry Summers is the biggest Brain Bubble we've got.

Brain Bubbles start with an innocuous "whiz kid" moniker in undergrad, which later escalates to "wunderkind." Next comes the requisite foray as an economic adviser to a small crisis-wracked country, where the kid is declared a "savior." By 30, our Bubble Boy is tenured and officially a "genius." By 40, he's a "guru," by 50 an "oracle." After a few drinks: "messiah."

The superhuman powers bestowed upon these men -- and yes, they are all men -- shield them from the scrutiny that might have prevented the current crisis. Alan Greenspan's Brain Bubble allowed him to put the economy at great risk: When he made no sense, people assumed that it was their own fault. Brain Bubbles also formed the key argument Greenspan and Summers used to explain why lawmakers couldn't regulate the derivatives market: The wizards on Wall Street were too brilliant, their models too complex, for mere mortals to understand.

Back in 1991, Summers argued that the subject of economics was no longer up for debate: The answers had all been found by men like him. "The laws of economics are like the laws of engineering," he said. "One set of laws works everywhere." Summers subsequently laid out those laws as the three "-ations": privatization, stabilization and liberalization. Some "kinds of ideas," he explained a few years later in a PBS interview, have already become too "passé" for discussion. Like "the idea that a huge spending program is the way to stimulate the economy."

And that's the problem with Larry. For all his appeals to absolute truths, he has been spectacularly wrong again and again. He was wrong about not regulating derivatives. Wrong when he helped kill Depression-era banking laws, turning banks into too-big-to-fail welfare monsters. And as he helps devise ever more complex tricks and spends ever more taxpayer dollars to keep the financial casino running, he remains wrong today.

Word is that Summers's current post may be a pit stop on the way to the big prize, Federal Reserve chairman. That means he could actually make "maestro."

Mr. President, please: Pop this bubble before it's too late.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 09:56:29 PM
Jaw dropping chart of the day:

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/corporate-earnings-decline.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2009, 10:45:24 PM
Not surprising. It's pretty shitty to see that so much value was a fabricated fantasy. Oh well... so much wealth was grown over the past 8-10 years that it is too bad to see the wealth of a few was at the expense of a nation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 01:01:20 PM
jesus fucking christ people, they can't buck up and toe the line for a month?

      
About 20 probes of bailout underway
by Matt Kelley, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — A government watchdog has launched "almost 20" criminal investigations related to the $700 billion financial bailout program, according to a report to Congress to be released Tuesday.

Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general for the rescue program, says in the report that the probes involve possible public corruption; corporate, stock and tax fraud; insider trading; and mortgage fraud. Barofsky provided no information on who is being investigated or why, saying details will not be released "until public action is taken."

SORTABLE LIST: Companies receiving bailout money

The special inspector general's office is focusing on possible wrongdoing by recipients of money under the Treasury Department's Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

"Those who make intentional misrepresentations in the TARP application process or in their financial reporting to Treasury may be in violation of several criminal statutes," the report says.
FIND MORE STORIES IN: Congress | United States Treasury Department | Securities and Exchange Commission | Bank of America | American Intl. Group | Clark | Enron | International Group | National Public Radio | Ellis | Kirkland | Troubled Asset Relief Program | Barofsky

In an interview with National Public Radio this month, Barofsky said one probe involves bank officials who were allegedly "cooking their books" to qualify for rescue funds. He did not name the bank.

Charles Clark, a lawyer with the firm Kirkland & Ellis, said banks that got TARP money worry that they could be prosecuted for conduct they thought was legal at the time. "Companies are fearful that the regulatory structure could be built on the backs of criminal defendants," said Clark, who helped direct the Securities and Exchange Commission's investigation of Enron eight years ago.

The report, the most extensive account of Barofsky's work since he took office in December, also provides new details on the agency's audits, which are separate from criminal investigations. A previously announced audit of the Treasury Department's decisions to invest $45 billion in Bank of America will be expanded to include the first nine firms that got taxpayer money, the report says.

In addition, the inspector general's report says an audit of the $165 million in bonuses to executives at American International Group also will examine Treasury's oversight of bonuses and other executive perks at all firms that received bailout money. News of the bonuses created a furor in Congress and prompted the company to call on its executives to pay the money back. Another audit by Barofsky's office is examining AIG's payments to its partners in some risky investments — mostly banks and other financial companies, including some foreign firms.

AIG said in an SEC filing Monday that it had complied with unspecified requests from Barofsky's office.

The Treasury Department has committed to spend $590.4 billion of the $700 billion allocated to the program since it began in October, Barofsky's report says. Firms receiving rescue money have paid more than $3.1 billion in dividends and interest to the government so far, the report says.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 21, 2009, 01:06:51 PM
I fucking hate the financial sector.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 21, 2009, 02:57:30 PM
Piggybacking off that:

Quote
Taxpayers are increasingly exposed to losses and the government is more vulnerable to fraud under Obama administration initiatives that have created a federal bank bailout program of "unprecedented scope," a government report finds.

In a 250-page quarterly report to Congress, the rescue program's special inspector general concludes that a private-public partnership designed to rid financial institutions of their "toxic assets" is tilted in favor of private investors and creates "potential unfairness to the taxpayer."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-bailout-may-hurt-apf-14979409.html?.v=8 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Bank-bailout-may-hurt-apf-14979409.html?.v=8)


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2009, 03:23:52 PM
Remember when everyone chided McCain for "impeding" the progress of the TARP program? How he was grandstanding for political gain? How every wasted day was another step towards "the end"? hahahaha

Not that it would have made a difference. Politicians were shitting bricks and would have rubber stamped any program the banking sector dreamed up.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2009, 03:27:52 PM
So he wasn't grandstanding for political gain?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 21, 2009, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

I read 100 Bullets over the weekend and I think the sour taste it left in my mouth is due to the fact that the central premise - politicians are powerless, and America is really run by a cabal of wealthy families who divied up America like so much sweet potato pie several hundred years ago - was too believable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
maybe it's not a heist, but identity theft!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 21, 2009, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

I read 100 Bullets over the weekend and I think the sour taste it left in my mouth is due to the fact that the central premise - politicians are powerless, and America is really run by a cabal of wealthy families who divied up America like so much sweet potato pie several hundred years ago - was too believable.

i'm reading that now as well

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2009, 03:47:50 PM
If I remember correctly, McCain didn't have an alternative, his argument was that there wasn't a need to rush this through. Allow it to have the proper gestation time like other matters of legislation.

Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2009, 03:50:10 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

You get Jason Statham for the lead and I'd watch that.

But seriously, there's an amazing amount of chutzpah here.  It's like nobody involve understands that they screwed up, or that they're going to have to take some lumps.  They still expect to keep the same status, get the same size paycheck, play by the same rules, etc. as before.

I've read that FDR came into office thinking he could work with the bankers, because he was the main obstacle between them and populist outrage.  They didn't see it that way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 21, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
You don't think that more time spent on the legislation would've just resulted in more loopholes and outs for the Banks?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2009, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2009, 03:47:50 PM
If I remember correctly, McCain didn't have an alternative, his argument was that there wasn't a need to rush this through. Allow it to have the proper gestation time like other matters of legislation.

Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

Wait, what?  Are we talking about the same thing, that went down in September?  I remember McCain saying the bank bailout was urgent business ("inaction isn't an option"), suspending his campaign to go to Washington, attending a meeting at the White House where he wouldn't say what he actually supported, then making a big show of working the phones to get a deal done.

And he wasn't out of touch on economic matters?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 21, 2009, 04:16:52 PM
obama was friends with bill ayers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 21, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2009, 03:47:50 PM
Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

Whoa wait, WHAT?  McCain backed Gramm in the 96 primaries.  McCain has ALWAYS had a love affair with Gramm, it's pretty common knowledge.  Gramm wrote most of McCain's economic program and almost certainly would have been TreasSec had McCain won... at least pre "nation of whiners" gaffe, anyway.  It's not like McCain's economic team inspired a lot of confidence- he had the idiot that wrote DOW 36,000 in there too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 21, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 21, 2009, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2009, 03:47:50 PM
If I remember correctly, McCain didn't have an alternative, his argument was that there wasn't a need to rush this through. Allow it to have the proper gestation time like other matters of legislation.

Then, of course, he was labeled as being out of touch. Especially on economic matters. I believe around that time the Phill Gramm connection to his adminstration was being floated out there.

Wait, what?  Are we talking about the same thing, that went down in September?  I remember McCain saying the bank bailout was urgent business ("inaction isn't an option"), suspending his campaign to go to Washington, attending a meeting at the White House where he wouldn't say what he actually supported, then making a big show of working the phones to get a deal done.

And he wasn't out of touch on economic matters?

acorn acorn cra acorn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 21, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Even-Jack-Bauer-couldnt-stop/story.aspx?guid=%7BBE0D1772-A628-454D-80BF-C4484CEBA7DF%7D (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Even-Jack-Bauer-couldnt-stop/story.aspx?guid=%7BBE0D1772-A628-454D-80BF-C4484CEBA7DF%7D)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 21, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 21, 2009, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: Willco on April 21, 2009, 03:34:14 PM
How ironic that the bankers have committed the greatest heist of all-time.

I read 100 Bullets over the weekend and I think the sour taste it left in my mouth is due to the fact that the central premise - politicians are powerless, and America is really run by a cabal of wealthy families who divied up America like so much sweet potato pie several hundred years ago - was too believable.

i'm reading that now as well


I liked it, I think, but the series is rather brutal in its characterization and plotting. It's like watching the sausage factory and the sausage is our modern society. I'm curious what your more crime-fiction soaked mindset is making of it so far. Feel free to take it to gmail.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 04:57:25 PM
no.  fuck everyone else.  we'll have this out here in this thread.

i'm actually only on issue 13 so the big mysteries haven't been revealed.  but as a crime comic, it's so goddamn good.  like the early issues with the dice swindler, the guy in the shooting gallery (junkie house, not firing range), i've only hit a few of the "mythology" issues again so i'm not super up to snuff on that.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
just kidding.  that's the last i'll say on this topic here
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 10:27:19 PM
Quote
The government's complaint describes Muse as the ringleader among the pirates.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/04/21/ST2009042101514.html?hpid=moreheadlines

gosh, how convenient that the one person not shot happens to be the ringleader of the whole operation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 21, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on April 21, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.

i think it's important, i just think that the way the media handles stories like this that it isn't designed to really convey the right information regarding the subject.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 21, 2009, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on April 21, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.

What?!

They got paid over $80M in ransom last year. Raising the cost of goods to a lot of countries. These aren't small vessels they are taking control of. They are huge freighters with millions in cargo on them. They need to be defended.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 21, 2009, 11:22:36 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 21, 2009, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on April 21, 2009, 10:36:49 PM
The somali pirate thing is the biggest non-story in a while.  It's like baby Jessica down the well kind of shit. 


I mean, come on....what the fuck?! He doesn't even have an eye patch or knee high boots.

i think it's important, i just think that the way the media handles stories like this that it isn't designed to really convey the right information regarding the subject.

I am in absolute agreement actually. 


It becomes a tabloid story.....sensational bullshit.




Zero Hero - I think you might have missed my point (not very well written, or even thought out maybe). I am talking about how everyone is handling the story and how I hear people all of a sudden talking about how to fix the Somali pirate problem like it is some kind of world wide crisis....which it is not. $80 million in ransom is a drop in the fucking bucket to some of these companies....not to say that it is at all right what the pirates are doing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 22, 2009, 12:09:07 AM
Had to more time to research the timeline around McCain's triumphant return to DC in September to fix the TARP problem and I was wrong.

He came in all mavericky, but quickly changed his tune a day later. He was dead set against an AIG bailout, then about a week later said they were a critical part of the world economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 22, 2009, 01:05:12 AM
Well, gracious of you to say so.  (Not sarcasm)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 22, 2009, 01:17:16 AM
:bow admitting to errors :bow2
Title: The Ballad of Lani Guinier
Post by: Mandark on April 22, 2009, 01:29:46 AM
The next hot rightwing folk tale:  ZOMG an Obama judicial nominee wants to ban "Jesus Christ" from public prayers but says "Allah" is OK!

The actual facts of the case. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/apr/21/obama-hamilton-jesus-allah)  (spoiler alert)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 22, 2009, 09:11:32 AM
If they don't televise the George W. Bush/Bill Clinton debate this may I am going to kill someone. Even though it will be friendly Clinton will still wipe the floor with Bush. I want to see that. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 22, 2009, 09:41:55 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 20, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
I'll conceed its misrepresentative.  >:(

Why no props?

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 22, 2009, 09:48:23 AM
Freddie Mac CFO commited suicide this morning. There have been inquiries into possible accounting violations. Suspicions pretty much confirmed now. Wonder how bad the losses actually were?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2009, 12:44:50 PM
I'm guessing he had a copy of Obama's birth certificate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 22, 2009, 12:59:51 PM
So apparently having tortured prisoners give false information was a feature, not a bug: (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html)

Quote
Report: Abusive tactics used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link

By Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration applied relentless pressure on interrogators to use harsh methods on detainees in part to find evidence of cooperation between al Qaida and the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's regime, according to a former senior U.S. intelligence official and a former Army psychiatrist.

Such information would've provided a foundation for one of former President George W. Bush's main arguments for invading Iraq in 2003. In fact, no evidence has ever been found of operational ties between Osama bin Laden's terrorist network and Saddam's regime.

The use of abusive interrogation — widely considered torture — as part of Bush's quest for a rationale to invade Iraq came to light as the Senate issued a major report tracing the origin of the abuses and President Barack Obama opened the door to prosecuting former U.S. officials for approving them.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney and others who advocated the use of sleep deprivation, isolation and stress positions and waterboarding, which simulates drowning, insist that they were legal.

A former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the interrogation issue said that Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demanded that the interrogators find evidence of al Qaida-Iraq collaboration.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 22, 2009, 02:15:19 PM
GM says they will default on a $1B loan due June 1st.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 22, 2009, 04:07:51 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udh7WaELsBA&[/youtube]

You don't get to see smackdowns like this everyday
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on April 22, 2009, 05:34:24 PM
http://www.zoom.hu/bigpicture/?id=384 (http://www.zoom.hu/bigpicture/?id=384)

omg these are amazing  :lol :lol :lol

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"I want YOU for my SOCIALIST NIGHTMARE"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 22, 2009, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 22, 2009, 09:48:23 AM
Freddie Mac CFO commited suicide this morning. There have been inquiries into possible accounting violations. Suspicions pretty much confirmed now. Wonder how bad the losses actually were?
Well people got what they wanted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 23, 2009, 02:57:54 PM
God damn I hate Michelle Malkin. In my paper is a big column about "Tolerance under the Obama administration". Actually whining about the reactions conservatives are getting from the mean liberals. Give me a fucking break.
She actually singled out MSNBC 3 times while acting like FNC is the epitome of legitimacy. Cry moar loooozers!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 23, 2009, 03:51:56 PM

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In Congress, No Love Lost for Newspapers

By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, April 22, 2009

Thomas Jefferson famously said that if asked to choose between "a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter."

The leading lights of the current Congress evidently have a different view.

The House Judiciary Committee called a hearing yesterday to study the decline of the newspaper business, but it quickly deteriorated into a press-bashing session. Ideologues of the left and right made no effort to conceal their yearning for a day without journalists, when public officials would no longer be scrutinized.

"More than twice as many Americans say the news media are too liberal rather than too conservative," claimed Lamar Smith (Tex.), the ranking Republican.

John Conyers (Mich.), the chairman, countered with his contempt for Fox News Chairman Rupert Murdoch "telling us how important it is that the media remain free and viable." He recalled his own "hard feelings" about once being arrested while protesting outside one of the Detroit newspapers. "I'm going to ask their editors if I should meet with them tomorrow," he said bitterly. "Now that they're in bad shape, maybe I should help them?"

Conyers, who has collected his share of less-than-favorable headlines over the years, went on. "Newspapers remind me of automobile corporations," he said. "All of a sudden they need help, they need a lot of help and they need it fast."

Actually, Mr. Chairman, the industry hasn't asked for a bailout. The hearing was held after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) suggested the need for an antitrust exemption to save papers in San Francisco, her home town. The biggest request for help at the hearing was from the Philadelphia Inquirer's Brian Tierney, who wanted protection for newspapers to talk about creating a national alternative to Craigslist.

But even that seems to be too much to ask. "We do not believe any additional exemptions for the newspaper industry are necessary," Carl Shapiro, head of the Justice Department's antitrust division, informed the committee yesterday.

The dominant sentiment of lawmakers was indifference; most of the 14 subcommittee members didn't show up. The task of leading the hearing was left to Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.), who chairs the relevant subcommittee but seemed not entirely prepared for the job. He twice misidentified the ranking Republican member and introduced a panel of witnesses by saying, "Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. . . . Come forward and assume the position." Johnson then directed reporters in the room to stand but assured them that "you will not have to assume the position."

At one point, Johnson asked whether there were "any spies" in the audience. "Don't forget that torture was once ruled legal," he said. And he alarmed attendees when he asked if someone would "call the physician's office . . . because we have several people who have developed a sudden case of colorblindness." (Eventually, people realized he was referring to witnesses ignoring the red light on their time clocks.)

Still, Johnson was able to maintain his composure long enough to frame the issue: "If Congress does not act or if something does not change, a major city in the United States will be without a newspaper in the fairly near future."

Shapiro, from the Obama administration, seemed to regard this as a sad inevitability. "I myself very much enjoy sitting down in the morning with a cup of tea and reading a newspaper," he said.

Rep. Charlie Gonzalez (D-Tex.), who appeared to be the lawmaker at the hearing who is most sympathetic to the newspaper industry, pointed out that "we're so rooted in the antitrust philosophy" that "you won't have a newspaper to sit there with your morning coffee or tea."

"It's not in anybody's interest to have there be no newspaper in any of our towns," Shapiro replied.

No? How about public officials whose activities would no longer come under scrutiny? Law professor C. Edwin Baker told the committee that "the biggest correlator with less government corruption is newspaper readership: When people are reading newspapers, corruption goes down." Another witness gave Conyers a helpful example from his own home town: the Detroit Free Press's Pulitzer Prize for exposing the sex scandal that brought down the mayor.

But the lawmakers, and other witnesses, were determined to turn the proceedings into yet another partisan brawl. Dan Gainor, from the conservative Media Research Center, complained that journalists "support liberal causes and vote for Democratic candidates."

"Some folks," countered Johnson, "believe strongly that there is an unhealthy connection between Fox News and the Republicans."

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) chimed in with the view that the "media are too liberal," while Conyers quizzed Gainor about various conservative groups. "The reason these big monopolistic newspapers are indeed going into the toilet," the chairman said, is "because of the way they're run and the poor quality."

"Respectfully," said Tierney, "they're not all rotten operators."

"How do I know that?" Conyers shot back.

Another panelist, journalist John Nichols, pointed to an oil painting on the wall of Peter Rodino, chairman of the committee during Watergate. "I keep looking over at Chairman Rodino and remembering that Chairman Conyers was on this committee when a newspaper revealed the wrongdoing of a president," he said.

Neither the Judiciary Committee nor the newspaper industry looks so strong today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on April 23, 2009, 03:58:48 PM
Quote
"Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. . . . Come forward and assume the position."

 :o :-*

Identity of Tauntaun revealed?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 23, 2009, 05:03:24 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 20, 2009, 07:28:13 PM

Why We Should Banish Larry Summers From Public Life

By Naomi Klein, Washington Post, April 19, 2009

I vote to banish Larry Summers. Not from the planet. That wouldn't be nice. Just from public life.

The criticisms of President Obama's chief economic adviser are well known. He's too close to Wall Street. And he's a frightful bully, of both people and countries. Still, we're told we shouldn't care about such minor infractions. Why? Because Summers is brilliant, and the world needs his big brain.

Reminded me of this:


Quote
Being extremely intelligent is rather like fucking sheep - once you've got a reputation for either, it's extremely difficult to get rid of it. If someone was, at some long gone time in the past, a boy genius or an academic superstar, then they're "incredibly smart" for life, no matter how many stupid things they actually say or do.

The cases on my mind at the moment are Enoch Powell and Larry Summers, but I daresay I could dig up a dozen more if I spent the time.

Rest here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/nov/06/thewisestfoolsinchristendo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 23, 2009, 05:11:25 PM
Larry Summers is working really hard guys, geez


Larry Summers Falls Asleep During Credit Card Industry Meeting (SLIDESHOW)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/larry-summers-falls-aslee_n_190659.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2009, 05:22:58 PM
must be a hardcore World of Warcraft raider
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 23, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-party/michael-steele-under-pressure-to-call-dems-socialists/

Quote
A number of conservative members of the Republican National Committee are pressing the committee — and by extension, Steele — to officially adopt the position that the Democratic Party is socialist.

Over a dozen members of the conservative wing of the RNC have submitted a new resolution, to be eventually voted on by the entire RNC, that would call on the Democratic party to rename itself the “Democrat Socialist Party.” If the RNC adopts this resolution, the RNC’s official view would become that Democrats are socialists. From the resolution:

Quote
    RESOLVED, that we the members of the Republican National Committee call on the Democratic Party to be truthful and honest with the American people by acknowledging that they have evolved from a party of tax and spend to a party of tax and nationalize and, therefore, should agree to rename themselves the Democrat Socialist Party.

I just reached RNC vice chairman James Bopp, a leading supporter of the resolution, and he confirmed that adopting it would mean the RNC officially designates Dems socialists. “We would be describing the Democrat Party this way if we adopt this resolution,” Bopp said.

Republicans are all literally mental children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2009, 08:36:38 PM
i guess "liberal" doesn't work anymore then
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 23, 2009, 08:39:35 PM
There was an article about Saul Anuzis (former MI GOP chair) the other day on some site where he basically copped that the Republican strategy of calling them "liberal" doesn't work anymore, and that the "socialist" meme hasn't been sticking so maybe they should try "fascism".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Rman on April 23, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
So what to do you guys think about these new credit card laws that Obama and Dems are pressing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 01:46:25 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 23, 2009, 05:11:25 PM
Larry Summers is working really hard guys, geez


Larry Summers Falls Asleep During Credit Card Industry Meeting (SLIDESHOW)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/larry-summers-falls-aslee_n_190659.html

unfuckingbelievable
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 01:50:45 AM
you seem to have taken your outrage over that too far there kiddo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
It was a tough call. Either the director of the WH economic council falling asleep during a meeting with the president during the worst economic crisis since the depression or the director of DHS not knowing where the 9/11 hijackers came from. I went with the former.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 24, 2009, 09:02:36 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
It was a tough call. Either the director of the WH economic council falling asleep during a meeting with the president during the worst economic crisis since the depression or the director of DHS not knowing where the 9/11 hijackers came from. I went with the former.  ;)

Still an improvement over the last guy.  This President has yet to invade and occupy a country that didn't attack us and presented no threat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 11:08:24 AM
He also pals around with Hugo Chavez which pleases me greatly, because it makes right wingers freak the fuck out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 24, 2009, 09:02:36 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 08:26:46 AM
It was a tough call. Either the director of the WH economic council falling asleep during a meeting with the president during the worst economic crisis since the depression or the director of DHS not knowing where the 9/11 hijackers came from. I went with the former.  ;)

Still an improvement over the last guy.  This President has yet to invade and occupy a country that didn't attack us and presented no threat.

We'll see how his doubling down in Afland turns out. I'm starting to get quite concerned about Pakland though. That may be an option once the Taliban captures the capital.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
sd, first 100 days of bush vs. first 100 days of Obama. Which were better to you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
Pat Toomey, a GOP candidate for senate in PA yesterday said we have high unemployment right now because people are too lazy to find a job.

Oh god, please nominate this wacko for the senate.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2009, 01:37:50 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
Pat Toomey, a GOP candidate for senate in PA yesterday said we have high unemployment right now because people are too lazy to find a job.

Oh god, please nominate this wacko for the senate.  :lol

Wow, so PA citizens are not only bitter and clingy to guns/religion, they're also lazy? smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on April 24, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: Rman on April 23, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
So what to do you guys think about these new credit card laws that Obama and Dems are pressing?

What are they?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
sd, first 100 days of bush vs. first 100 days of Obama. Which were better to you?


Can't really say because I didn't pay any attention during Bush's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 24, 2009, 03:09:03 PM
@Oblivion: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/business/economy/24credit.html?em

I'm personally not feeling them myself.  If you going to use credit cards irresponsibly that's on you. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 24, 2009, 03:19:12 PM
huffington comments are horrible

why are all comments on websites horrible?

what the fuck is wrong with everyone?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html)


Hannity won't do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 24, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43scwzZ7zto&[/youtube]

The Dallas Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 10 years, you forgot to mention Global Warming is the cause of that :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2009, 04:58:11 PM
Gore annihilated

this dude from Texas is on a roll
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2009, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 24, 2009, 03:19:12 PM
huffington comments are horrible

why are all comments on websites horrible?

what the fuck is wrong with everyone?

Imagine going to the DMV a bus stop, rounding everyone up, and starting a discussion on politics or culture.  That's the internet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 24, 2009, 09:54:29 PM
"I've never talked to Bernie Madoff.  I swear he's not on our science advisory team.  In fact I don't even know who he is."

Both Gore and that senator are asses. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 24, 2009, 10:50:22 PM
Quote from: Father_Mike on April 24, 2009, 09:54:29 PM
"I've never talked to Bernie Madoff.  I swear he's not on our science advisory team.  In fact I don't even know who he is."

Both Gore and that senator are asses. 

How did you get Gore being an ass from that  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 24, 2009, 10:54:11 PM
I didn't say I got it from that.  I may have held him to be an ass before that video.   ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2009, 11:00:50 PM
Thank you for your contribution!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 24, 2009, 11:04:48 PM
You are totally welcome my good man. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 11:31:33 PM
How in the world is Gore an ass? What has he done that you do not like?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2009, 11:32:23 PM
http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10250

freudian slip around 5:30?  :lol  :o

edit: the obama masturbation in this video is almost surreal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 24, 2009, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 11:31:33 PM
How in the world is Gore an ass? What has he done that you do not like?

He embellish climate change far to much for my taste which leaves it open to attacks like what that Texas senator was making fun of with the Dallas Cowboys joke.  Saying he is an ass is a little strong, I will admit that.     
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2009, 12:14:50 AM
Quote from: Father_Mike on April 24, 2009, 11:46:04 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 11:31:33 PM
How in the world is Gore an ass? What has he done that you do not like?

He embellish climate change far to much for my taste which leaves it open to attacks like what that Texas senator was making fun of with the Dallas Cowboys joke.  Saying he is an ass is a little strong, I will admit that.     
Except he isn't embellishing the severity of climate change....?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2009, 12:22:14 AM
He may not be embellishing the overall severity, he does though embellish on the facts about the immediate effects of climate change and that is counter productive and harmful to the argument.  He has a lot of passion for what he does and that is great 99% of the time he just takes it a bit to far sometimes and throws more miss information into a debate that is already full of it.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 25, 2009, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: Father_Mike on April 25, 2009, 12:22:14 AM
He may not be embellishing the overall severity, he does though embellish on the facts about the immediate effects of climate change and that is counter productive and harmful to the argument.  He has a lot of passion for what he does and that is great 99% of the time he just takes it a bit to far sometimes and throws more miss information into a debate that is already full of it.   

someone is having trouble with reality here and it's not Gore!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2009, 04:04:20 AM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001225/
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 25, 2009, 04:46:07 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2009, 04:04:20 AM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001225/
 :lol

http://www.pleasesecede.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2009, 10:47:37 AM
Another gore owning crazy republican moment.
[youtube=560,345]py6yay2c0Oo[/youtube]

She accuses Gore of only wanting environmental policy changes because he is on the payroll of pro-environmental companies and thus is doing this only for the $$$. Gore tells her every single penny these companies try to give to him he refuses to take and instead has it be donated.  :lol Owned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 25, 2009, 11:04:32 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html)


Hannity won't do it.

I doubt he will too. But, imagine the ratings he would get from it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2009, 11:20:20 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 25, 2009, 11:04:32 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html)


Hannity won't do it.

I doubt he will too. But, imagine the ratings he would get from it.
It would ruin his image. No one can last more than a few seconds of it. Hitchens was pro-water boarding and did it, he lasted like 1 second before he couldn't take anymore.

He'd get ratings but it'd make him look weak in the end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 25, 2009, 11:21:30 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/24/obama-legal-team-asking-s_n_191005.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/24/obama-legal-team-asking-s_n_191005.html)

Am I reading that right? Seriously WTF?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 26, 2009, 01:56:46 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 24, 2009, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 24, 2009, 03:16:57 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/23/olbermann-calls-hannitys_n_190869.html)
Hannity won't do it.
Olbermann really should have upped his quote.  If it were 5 or 10K a second, people would be screaming at Hannity to do it, to take as much of foolish Keith's money as he can.  That way when he only lasts 8 seconds and shits himself doing so the payoff will be more then worthwhile.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 26, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/approval.png)

That's just how awful Republicans are, they're even making Congressional Democrats (semi) popular (#'s here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_042609.html?sid=ST2009042600036))
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 26, 2009, 03:39:29 PM
30% approval is a little too high for my tastes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 26, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: T EXP on April 26, 2009, 03:39:29 PM
30% approval is a little too high for my tastes.
Same number Bush had, 30% of the country will always approve of Republicans. Republicans have not expanded in the slightest past the Bush leftovers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 26, 2009, 06:52:25 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 26, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: T EXP on April 26, 2009, 03:39:29 PM
30% approval is a little too high for my tastes.
Same number Bush had, 30% of the country will always approve of Republicans. Republicans have not expanded in the slightest past the Bush leftovers.


I think for a while, the Republican approval numbers were in the teens a few months ago.  Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
so Obama was playing golf yesterday while the swine pandemic ravished NY school children. Time to ask: What Would Gingrich Do?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2009, 12:54:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2009, 10:29:03 PM
so Obama was playing golf yesterday while the swine pandemic ravished NY school children. Time to ask: What Would Gingrich Do?

Gingrichbot Random "Idea" Generator says:  reimagine air traffic control!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 27, 2009, 01:04:12 AM
Gingrich is too fat to play golf.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2009, 01:20:19 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 27, 2009, 01:04:12 AM
Gingrich is too fat to play golf.

(http://kylelibra.com/sportsblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dalybellyjpg.jpeg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 27, 2009, 01:29:54 AM
John Daly doesn't count, if he were a normal man he would have been dead from various overdoses 10 times over by now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 27, 2009, 01:01:45 PM
"Millions for 'volcano research'? It's a mountain, what's it gonna do? What wasteful pork spending."

*volcano erupts in Alaska*

"Almost a billion dollars for preventing the flu? Heh, the sniffles gettin' you down, pork-barrel spenders?"

*flu outbreak in Mexico and America*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 27, 2009, 01:05:03 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: siamesedreamer on April 27, 2009, 03:16:20 PM
Air Force One flies over Manhattan at low altitude for a photo op and authorities were told beforehand not to alert the public. 
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Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2009, 03:20:48 PM
nyc freaked out or didn't react, depending on who you ask

i didn't hear about it until i was already at work so no reaction here. however the reaction on the nyse floor was pretty funny with people literally fleeing for their lives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2009, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 27, 2009, 03:20:48 PM
nyc freaked out or didn't react, depending on who you ask

i didn't hear about it until i was already at work so no reaction here. however the reaction on the nyse floor was pretty funny with people literally fleeing for their lives.

That's just cause they thought he was coming to regulate them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2009, 03:28:10 PM
it's good to know that educated floor members will have the same reaction as america's next top models

[youtube=560,345]4fjpwTWbAyQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2009, 07:15:07 PM
Hachi machi!

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1472/slide_1472_20851_large.jpg)

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/1472/slide_1472_20850_large.jpg)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/27/spanish-fly-carla-bruni-s_n_191951.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 27, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
dat ass 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 27, 2009, 09:21:29 PM
dayom
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 27, 2009, 09:25:28 PM
:bow no bra :bow2

:drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 27, 2009, 09:33:18 PM
 :omg

Flannel who?


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Post by: Cheebs on April 27, 2009, 11:44:32 PM
Carla Bruni > Flannel Girl?  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 28, 2009, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: Malek on April 27, 2009, 09:33:18 PM
:omg

Flannel who?




Flannel Girl looks. The boy she's fallen for has left his computer unattended. She can't help but take a peek. She gasps as she sees his betrayal. She was about to give herself to him. She runs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on April 28, 2009, 12:25:20 AM
my timing is always off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2009, 02:15:41 AM
[youtube=560,345]G7d_e9lrcZ8[/youtube]

Forgot how I eventually found myself to Fox debate videos, but it's hilarious how hard they try to smear and nail Paul, whereas today the same people who booed/smeared him then praise him now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 28, 2009, 10:11:10 AM
[youtube=560,345]cWt8hTayupE[/youtube]
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 28, 2009, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2009, 02:15:41 AM

Forgot how I eventually found myself to Fox debate videos, but it's hilarious how hard they try to smear and nail Paul, whereas today the same people who booed/smeared him then praise him now.

Ron Paul was ahead of his time.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 28, 2009, 10:53:00 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on April 28, 2009, 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2009, 02:15:41 AM

Forgot how I eventually found myself to Fox debate videos, but it's hilarious how hard they try to smear and nail Paul, whereas today the same people who booed/smeared him then praise him now.

Ron Paul was ahead of his time.

and/or a relic of 50 years ago
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
seeing as most republicans seem to be a relic of 75 years ago, i would def label ron paul as being ahead of his time
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on April 28, 2009, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
seeing as most republicans seem to be a relic of 75 years ago, i would def label ron paul as being ahead of his time
http://instantrimshot.com/ (http://instantrimshot.com/)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TVC15 on April 28, 2009, 12:25:19 PM
:nsfw as you scroll down

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1174221/Highly-intimate-photos-video-Carla-Bruni-ex-lover-stolen-Paris-flat.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 01:15:21 PM
Specter now a dem.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0409/Specter_switching_parties.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on April 28, 2009, 01:18:46 PM
RIP Republican Party :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 28, 2009, 01:20:49 PM
FILIBUSTER PROOF  MAJORITY

HOLY SHIT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 28, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
fuck i'll do waterboarding and take that shithead's money, at $1000 a second even if i only lasted 5 seconds it would be worth it

no checks, though, i wouldn't trust olbermann not to stop payment
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 28, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
Basically there is nothing stopping dems from getting through their huge health care reform now. No more excuses, no way to blame republicans. they lost their filibuster powers (well soon as franken is seated which wont take THAT long).

No more fillibuster possibilities from republicans...this is like christmas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on April 28, 2009, 01:26:50 PM
fuck i'll do waterboarding and take that shithead's money, at $1000 a second even if i only lasted 5 seconds it would be worth it

no checks, though, i wouldn't trust olbermann not to stop payment

it's donated to charity
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 28, 2009, 01:30:11 PM
considering my current bank balance i think i qualify
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2009, 01:51:08 PM
I wake up to big news wtf. It's like NPD day or something  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 28, 2009, 02:06:14 PM
Michael Steele put out a statement.
Quote
Some in the Republican Party are happy about this. I am not.

Let’s be honest-Senator Specter didn’t leave the GOP based on principles of any kind. He left to further his personal political interests because he knew that he was going to lose a Republican primary due to his left-wing voting record.

Republicans look forward to beating Sen. Specter in 2010, assuming the Democrats don’t do it first.


So the GOP is already calling our new boy a left-winger in less than a day. How long till he is a socialist to them?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 28, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
Specter on March 17th:

Quote
I am staying a Republican because I think I have an important role, a more important role, to play there. The United States very desperately needs a two-party system. That’s the basis of politics in America. I’m afraid we are becoming a one-party system, with Republicans becoming just a regional party with so little representation of the northeast or in the middle atlantic. I think as a governmental matter, it is very important to have a check and balance. That’s a very important principle in the operation of our government. In the constitution on Separation of powers.

This is like a nightmare that won't ever end. Its hard to get mad though. The GOP is so broken I'm not sure they'll ever ecover. The DEMs now own everything good or bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 28, 2009, 02:14:05 PM
HAW HAW HAW

man, didn't see this coming
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 28, 2009, 02:18:22 PM
let's start the civil war 2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 28, 2009, 02:24:10 PM
can we skip civil war 2 and just reinvoke the 3/5 rule for white Southerners
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 28, 2009, 02:32:09 PM
i wouldn't fuck with white southerners, almost all of us own multiple firearms, including the children
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 28, 2009, 02:41:33 PM
well, we own lots of rei brand camping gear
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2009, 02:48:05 PM
Obama looks down at dead elephant carcass.

"Looks like this party got crashed."

Puts on sunglasses.

"YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
Quote
In a speech on Monday at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington, President Obama presented a vision of a new era in research financing comparable to the Sputnik-period space race, in which intensified scientific inquiry, and development of the intellectual capacity to pursue it, are a top national priority.

The president laid out an ambitious plan to invigorate the country’s pipeline for innovation, from grade-school classrooms to corporate, government and academic research laboratories.

Mr. Obama’s plan includes fulfilling commitments dating from the Bush administration to double the budgets of the National Science Foundation, the science office of the Department of Energy and the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

But he is also seeking increases in direct federal investment in medical and energy research, and he would make permanent what has been a sporadic research and experimentation tax credit offered to companies that push beyond the quest for quarterly profits to pursue breakthroughs.

Over all, he described his initiative as “the largest commitment to scientific research and innovation in American history,” receiving hearty applause from the scientists and observers who packed the halls at the National Academy headquarters for the group’s annual meeting.

Mr. Obama made clear that a new burst of advances in energy technology, medicine and other important arenas would not come from money alone, but required scientists to get out of their laboratories and find ways to inspire young people “to create, build and invent — to be makers of things, not just consumers of things.”

Many elements of his plan had already been introduced, including $400 million in initial financing under the economic recovery bill for an Advanced Research Projects Agency for Energy, akin to a defense research agency created after the Soviet Union launched Sputnik.

He provided fresh detail on an initiative, already included in the economics stimulus bill, creating a $5 billion “Race to the Top” fund available to states doing the most to increase the ranks of trained science and math teachers. Mr. Obama noted that the country faced a shortfall of more than 280,000 math and science teachers by 2015.

He pledged to lift public and private investment in research and development in the United States beyond its high point in 1964, at the peak of the space race and cold war, when such money was 3 percent of the gross domestic product.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/science/earth/28speech.html?_r=1&partner=MOREOVERNEWS&ei=5040 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/science/earth/28speech.html?_r=1&partner=MOREOVERNEWS&ei=5040)

 :omg
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Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 02:59:47 PM
god let's hope so
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 28, 2009, 03:07:15 PM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/xfooyh.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2009, 03:07:39 PM
I think there was a bit in Audacity of Hope where he talked to scientists who were much more worried about grants and funding than they were about intelligent design and stem cells.

He was probably making a more general point about moving beyond culture war issues, but it's nice to see him remember the lab geeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2009, 03:13:46 PM
Holy shit @ Specter.  I kind of expected it to happen at some point- several Dems flipped after '94.  Fuck, Richard Shelby used to be a Democrat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
anyone live in florida?

(http://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/christ_plate.jpg)

https://www6.hsmv.state.fl.us/mvcheck/platecheck/main.jsp

BRB LOL is available
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 28, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
"The outbreak of swine flu should be renamed 'Mexican' influenza in deference to Muslim and Jewish sensitivities over pork, said an Israeli health official Monday.

Deputy Health Minister Yakov Litzman said the reference to pigs is offensive to both religions and 'we should call this Mexican flu and not swine flu,' he told a news conference at a hospital in central Israel.

:lol

On Friday, Rep. Eric J.J. Massa (D), a freshman lawmaker from upstate New York, called for a complete closure of the border. He was joined Monday by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, a group that advocates for reduced immigration, which urged Congress to halt all but "non-essential traffic" at the border and the deployment of the U.S. military to stop illegal immigration.

Massa changed his tune slightly Tuesday morning. "The good news is, it looks like this kind of swine flu is treatable if you can get to the doctors within three to four days," he told MSNBC, adding that his point was that the U.S. government needed to control its borders. "To the extent that my request has brought attention to this in the United States, I think I've served the people of my district," he said.

:rofl

DAMN YOU SWINE MEXICAN FLU!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
They should call it Illegal Immigrant Flu.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 28, 2009, 04:22:51 PM
This has certainly fueled xenophobe nightmares of a lone, sick illegal immigrant coming into an all-American community and spreading the deadly virus!  Kill them all at the border!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 28, 2009, 04:28:41 PM
Everyone wants to rename it! :lol

The European Union says the swine flu epidemic should be renamed "novel flu" because the current name is misleading and could unnecessarily damage the pork industry.

European Union Health Commissioner Androulla Vassiliou says pork is safe to eat and has nothing to do with the swine flu outbreak. She says the "wrong connotation" contained in the name "swine flu" could hurt pork producers.

...

The World Organization for Animal Health, which handles veterinary issues around the world, issued a statement late Monday suggesting that the new disease should be labeled “North American influenza,” in keeping with a long medical tradition of naming influenza pandemics for the regions where they were first identified.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2009, 04:41:04 PM
Nice to see that they all have their priorities straight.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Vilsack and Napolitano are holding a presser, and Vilsack just said it should be called H1N1.  Which is just nowhere near as catchy as SWINE FLU.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
they should call it H1N13, so that we can all call it Hiney flu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on April 28, 2009, 04:45:38 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
they should call it H1N13, so that we can all call it Hiney flu

Why not H1M13, since most of the Americans that have it are in Hymietown?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
yes but not in the diamond district
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 28, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
I turned on glenn beck to see his reaction to the specter thing but all he is doing is rambling about how outrageous it is obama used a teleprompter when giving his swine flu speech.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on April 28, 2009, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
yes but not in the diamond district


You know, the Jews were also known for not catching the plague back in the day, too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 28, 2009, 06:19:39 PM
i can't believe no one's gone with the obvious "jew flu" yet

it rhymes, you can say it in a singsong voice, and it kills you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 28, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
I turned on glenn beck to see his reaction to the specter thing but all he is doing is rambling about how outrageous it is obama used a teleprompter when giving his swine flu speech.  :lol

why can't obama think for himself!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2009, 07:04:41 PM
party switch marks threat to the country :drudge
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/28/mcconnell-specters-switch_n_192434.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 07:09:17 PM
Quote
I think the danger of that for the country is that there won't automatically be an ability to restrain the excess that is typically associated with big majorities and single-party rule."

giggle giggle
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 28, 2009, 07:14:48 PM
 :lol at Rick Sanchez's "What the hell does that mean?!" when the Republican congressman said the Republican Party is still the big tent party, "the biggest tent of all is the tent of freedom".

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001239/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
http://twitter.com/REALGlennBeck/status/1643850515
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2009, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 28, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
http://twitter.com/REALGlennBeck/status/1643850515

I've spent two minutes trying to come up with the perfect lesbian innuendo quip for this, and I got nothing.  I'm declaring it open to the floor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 29, 2009, 12:28:19 AM
holy crap, that Glenn Beck Twitter is gold.
Quote
"Obama Requests $1.5B To Fight Swine Flu Outbreak" More money out the door.
Quote
" Buchanan: GOP A "Heavily White Party" " Thats how we like it! Get the immigrants out, they brought the swine flu aint they?
Quote
"Ahmadinejad Copies Obama's "Yes We Can" For Iranian Election" Worked for one dictator, why not another?
Quote
Texas seceding from the union, adopting the fair tax: Result, millions of illegals! All Northerners!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on April 29, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have not seen his show, but, uh, that twitter is fake, right?  He can't possibly say those things.  They're like, Coulter-esque.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 29, 2009, 12:36:12 AM
dude, did you not check the feed's name?  Its the REAL Glenn Beck, real is even spelt capitalized, of course its him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2009, 12:38:16 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on April 29, 2009, 12:30:40 AM
I have not seen his show, but, uh, that twitter is fake, right?  He can't possibly say those things.  They're like, Coulter-esque.

Oh yeah.  The writer's using it to tweak Republicans for being hypocrites by using the identity of a purist.  Razzing Texas' governor for requesting emergency flu vaccinations from the federal government after threatening to secede, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 29, 2009, 12:48:26 AM
http://tableofwisdom.com/www.GOP_Enema.html

Quote
The GOP Enema has Now Begun
by MrArbitrage

So Arlen Specter saw the writing on the wall and defected to save face.  As a Republican, I think this is GREAT news. Good riddance. This would be a good time to have Olympia Snowe & Susan Collins do the same.

People like these should be welcomed under our tent with ASYLUM – if they want to support conservative candidates. They should never again be allowed positions of leadership. It is unacceptable to have leftists undermining our platform. No individual seat is worth preserving at the expense of our conscience. Allowing their nonsense to endure has cost us many more seats than the few we gained in tolerating them as they have disillusioned so many, causing them to defect to other parties with no chance to win.

While we are at it, we should also put John McCain and Lindsey Graham near the top of that list for being capricious in many ways including the protection of our borders.  It is time for  some solid candidates to challenge John McCain and Lindsey Graham.  The presidential election is over and it is time to get back to reality. 

I would suspect that credible challengers to McCain and Graham will be receiving small checks - from the grassroots - amounting to tens of millions WITHOUT SOLICITATION.  I would like to propose  that we “draft” Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio as the primary challenger to Senator John McCain.  Senator McCain has run his entire political career on his admiral military record.  Yet after all his years in Congress, he has a political record he must hide from as a Republican.  Sheriff Arpaio is a veteran of the US Army but most relevant is his -remarkable political record. 

Arpaio knows what the public wants, “The public is my boss,” he says, “so I serve the public.” - http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Sheriff_Bio

Sheriff Arpaio would be the much needed new blood in the United States Senate.  Think Arpaio has enough credibility on the issue of border protection?  Think Arpaio might rally the troops and generate some grassroots support? 

Everyone has been asking the question of WHAT all of the “tea party” participants can actually DO besides showing up to protest?  THAT would be one outstanding grassroots effort. 

It's difficult to call the present minority situation in which we find ourselves a “positive” as we see the damage being done to our country by our Hussein, Pelosi & Reed but we can look at this as an OPPORTUNITY.  Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you truly recover.  We need to totally expunge these people while we're down. We do not want to revisit this problem down the road. Get rid of the disease - not just the symptoms.

Once we purge the GOP bowels of the remaining RINO’s - then conservatives can and will coalesce.


Title: Add this to the teabagging, and Republicans are making me feel dirty
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2009, 01:10:43 AM
Aside from the rest of the craziness in that post, shouldn't it be liberals pushing the GOP-as-asshole metaphor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2009, 03:42:33 AM
Quote
" Buchanan: GOP A "Heavily White Party" " Thats how we like it! Get the immigrants out, they brought the swine flu aint they?

no way that's real  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 29, 2009, 09:32:40 AM
Q1 GDP -6.1%

Some weird numbers. Amazingly, consumer spending was up 2.2%, but government spending was down (I think because defense spending was down like 6%). Some of the other numbers are horrific though.

EDIT: Supposedly the concensus was for -4.7%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 29, 2009, 09:53:30 AM
so for reborn fiscal conservatives, that's great news right?  gov't spending down?  hallelujah?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 29, 2009, 09:57:52 AM
Govt. spending was down?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 29, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Less economic activity means less revenue. Less revenue means smaller budgets. Not a big surprise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 29, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Republican congresswoman says Matthew Shepard's murder was "a hoax"
http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/republican-congresswoman-says-matthew.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2009, 10:59:33 PM
Michelle Bachman crazy watch:

[youtube=560,345]OdjRFJQuoiI[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdjRFJQuoiI

Saying she thinks it's "interesting" that the last swine flu outbreak happened under a "Democrat" president in the 70's.  I for one was unaware that Gerald Ford was a "Democrat" president... although given the state of today's GOP, he likely would have been.

Oh but wait!  It gets better:

[youtube=560,345]Jc1kvcf4w-M[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1kvcf4w-M

Here she is blaming the "Hoot-Smalley" tariff act, as enacted by FDR as the cause of the depression.  Of course, there is no such thing as the "Hoot Smalley" tariff act.  There *IS* a Smoot-Hawley tariff act... of 1930.  It was sponsored by Sen. Reed Smoot and Rep. Willis Hawley and signed into law by Herbert Hoover... all three of whom were Republicans.  The act was repealed by noted socialist, baby smotherer and all around asshole Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1934.

Remind me again why this woman gets to vote on things?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2009, 11:17:47 PM
Facts just aren't as interesting especially if the truth actually implicates your cause. It's easy to damn something if your viewers are to lazy to check for the truth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 29, 2009, 11:50:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on April 29, 2009, 10:59:33 PM

Saying she thinks it's "interesting" that the last swine flu outbreak happened under a "Democrat" president in the 70's.  I for one was unaware that Gerald Ford was a "Democrat" president... although given the state of today's GOP, he likely would have been.

Well Gerald Ford did say Jimmy Carter was a better President than he is given credit for and hopes history will redeem Carter. That pretty much makes him a leftist commie socialist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 30, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 29, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Republican congresswoman says Matthew Shepard's murder was "a hoax"
http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/republican-congresswoman-says-matthew.html

Holy fuck, where do these people come from?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 30, 2009, 12:42:29 AM
I want to run a train on Michelle Bachmann 'till she calls Obama her daddy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 30, 2009, 01:08:21 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 30, 2009, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: distantmantra on April 29, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
Republican congresswoman says Matthew Shepard's murder was "a hoax"
http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/republican-congresswoman-says-matthew.html

Holy fuck, where do these people come from?

This isn't even new.  The Shepard-murder-as-hoax meme has been kicking around for a little while now, with the inevitable amateur "experts" coming from the usual places.  I read a debunking at one of the medium-sized liberal blogs a couple years back.

I'm a little surprised that it bubbled up as far as the US Congress, but only because it's not Michelle Bachmann.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2009, 01:52:37 AM
nah he was a gay drug dealer/hit man
Title: Love it when he talks dirty
Post by: Mandark on April 30, 2009, 02:14:01 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03Obama-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2


Long form interview with Obama about economic issues in the NYT.  Really good stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 30, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
"Bankruptcy is not a sign of weakness." 

- Barack Obama 4/30/09
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 03:08:25 PM
that goddamn darkie

how the fuck could he possibly say that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 30, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
(http://www.chainsawsuit.com/comics/20090430.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2009, 03:10:26 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001266/

errr wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2009, 03:15:49 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/steele-i-wear-my-gop-hat-backwards-thats-how-we-roll-in-the-northeast.php?ref=fp4

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Herr Mafflard on April 30, 2009, 03:27:10 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on April 30, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
"Bankruptcy is not a sign of weakness." 

- Barack Obama 4/30/09


Whitehouse's updated newsroom, live webcam:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2s7ujrn.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2009, 03:48:30 PM
Rev Wright on far left, front row
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 30, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Thats the white house movie screening room. What 3d movie were they watching?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2009, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on April 30, 2009, 03:08:51 PM
(http://www.chainsawsuit.com/comics/20090430.gif)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Herr Mafflard on April 30, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 30, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Thats the white house movie screening room. What 3d movie were they watching?  :lol


Super Bowl 43. In 3-D! 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 30, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
Heir Obama's first 100 days as reported by the TRUE patriots:

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001248/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2009, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: Green Man on April 30, 2009, 10:25:41 PM
I could go for some socialism right now.

By the way, why the fuck is Jimmy Norton on fox? Fuck that hobbit.

No shit! If he is a conservative, he had me fooled for a long time. I've heard him talk about his girlfriend in his shows but I'm pretty sure the dude is hard gay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 30, 2009, 11:08:05 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 30, 2009, 03:13:34 PM
Chrysler goes bankrupt and the UAW benefits :lol :lol :lol
I can hear the steam coming out of SD's ears from here

Doesn't bother me that much. More poetic justice than anything else. Not like the American auto industry is ever coming back. At least they'll now be responsible for al their own costs. Should be fun to watch that play out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on April 30, 2009, 11:31:36 PM
What does concern me though is this:

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/tenyearquantitativeeasing.jpg)

Up to 3.16 today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 30, 2009, 11:49:01 PM
http://www.order-order.com/

apparently the uk has its own drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 01, 2009, 12:46:23 AM
The right-wing in the UK is far more scary than ours to be honest, at least right now. Because unlike the mess conservatives are in in America the ones in the UK are well organized and have a clear leader in David Cameron, one who is charismatic and very politically wise. Which is scary because he is a right-wing wacko.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 01:17:52 AM
Quote
NPR.org, April 30, 2009 ·  NPR has learned that Supreme Court Justice David Souter is planning to retire at the end of the current court term.

The vacancy will give President Obama his first chance to name a member of the high court and begin to shape its future direction.

At 69, Souter is nowhere near the oldest member of the court. In fact, he is in the younger half of the court's age range, with five justices older and just three younger. So far as anyone knows, he is in good health. But he has made clear to friends for some time that he wanted to leave Washington, a city he has never liked, and return to his native New Hampshire. Now, according to reliable sources, he has decided to take the plunge and has informed the White House of his decision.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103694193
:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 01, 2009, 01:35:43 AM
If he hated DC so much why did he want to become SC justice? lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2009, 01:38:39 AM
Obama should threaten to appoint torture hatin' Dawn Johnsen to the seat if they don't quit blocking her appointment to the OLC.
Title: A team of rivals!
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2009, 02:06:25 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 01, 2009, 12:46:23 AM
The right-wing in the UK is far more scary than ours to be honest, at least right now. Because unlike the mess conservatives are in in America the ones in the UK are well organized and have a clear leader in David Cameron, one who is charismatic and very politically wise. Which is scary because he is a right-wing wacko.

Oh no.

You are not (repeat: ARE NOT) going to start playing the expert on British politics.  Now just back away slowly and we'll all act like this never happened.
Title: Re: A team of rivals!
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2009, 02:21:06 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 01, 2009, 02:06:25 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 01, 2009, 12:46:23 AM
The right-wing in the UK is far more scary than ours to be honest, at least right now. Because unlike the mess conservatives are in in America the ones in the UK are well organized and have a clear leader in David Cameron, one who is charismatic and very politically wise. Which is scary because he is a right-wing wacko.

Oh no.

You are not (repeat: ARE NOT) going to start playing the expert on British politics.  Now just back away slowly and we'll all act like this never happened.

But but but he read an article on the guardian uk's website.  AN ARTICLE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on May 01, 2009, 03:11:44 AM
Forgive me with not knowing the ins and outs of appointing a justice, but now that we are (almost) at 60, does this mean we can basically make Karl Marx himself a justice with little issue?  Because I would cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on May 01, 2009, 03:23:37 AM
Quote from: TVC 15 on May 01, 2009, 03:11:44 AM
Forgive me with not knowing the ins and outs of appointing a justice, but now that we are (almost) at 60, does this mean we can basically make Karl Marx himself a justice with little issue?  Because I would cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum.

no, because A) obama isn't the marx type and B) there are enough conservative dems to make problems if they don't get someone, at most, who is left-moderate.


Title: Ballad of Lani Guinier, redux
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2009, 03:37:05 AM
Obama should appoint the lefty equivalent of Roberts.  Someone who's soft spoken and projects nonpartisan competence, but who is reliably liberal in their sympathies.

I don't think he should ask Republicans for a list or even worry about finding a candidate they won't oppose.  The Congressional GOP has decided to dig in and any qualified candidate is going to have something that can be distorted and demagogued (see Johnsen, David Hamilton (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/apr/21/obama-hamilton-jesus-allah), Harold Koh (http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2009/04/koh-and-federal-common-law-wonkish.html)).

Just make sure that they haven't done anything objectively kooky and line up a bunch of moderate and conservative legal wonks to give them cover.



PS Scalia is now at the top of my "Right-wingers whose intellect people tell me I should respect, but screw that noise" list.

Quote from: Justice Scalia
We doubt, to begin with, that small-town broadcasters run a heightened risk of liability for indecent utterances. In programming that they originate, their down-home local guests probably employ vulgarity less than big-city folks; and small-town stations generally cannot afford or cannot attract foul-mouthed glitteratae from Hollywood.

Yes, small stations don't run the risk of big FCC fines for inadvertent live swear words, because down-home small-town people don't cuss.  Sheeeeeeeeeeeeyit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 01, 2009, 09:40:31 AM
I wonder if he'd appoint one of his old law school buddies. I've read that he may do that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 01, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
I'd be shocked if his pick wasn't a woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Ward_Sears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Ward_Sears)

She is stepping down from that position in June.

FWIW, I really could care less about who he picks. It will be interesting to see how Obama handles this since he voted against both of Bush's nominees. Alito was a partisan pick for an unpopular president coming off another pick just 6 months prior, so I can give him the benefit of the doubt there. But, Roberts was about as good of a pick as there has been in the last 50 years. Obama's vote against him is pretty indefensible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/1/726792/-Goposaurs-start-framing-SCOTUS-debate-(ROFLMAO)

here we gooo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/1/726792/-Goposaurs-start-framing-SCOTUS-debate-(ROFLMAO)

here we gooo

rofl @ the "new" gop logo:

(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/transparentelephant.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 03:29:28 PM
someone photoshop it into an arc sailing towards a glacier
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 01, 2009, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 01, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/1/726792/-Goposaurs-start-framing-SCOTUS-debate-(ROFLMAO)

here we gooo

rofl @ the "new" gop logo:

(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/transparentelephant.png)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 01, 2009, 04:02:55 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 01, 2009, 03:25:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/1/726792/-Goposaurs-start-framing-SCOTUS-debate-(ROFLMAO)

here we gooo

rofl @ the "new" gop logo:

(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/transparentelephant.png)

LMAO

One of the few times you'll see me agree with something on Kos. So, you may want to bookmark this post. The dude is absolutely correct. SC nominees are one of the few things in American politics where I think "to the victors go the spoils" is perfectly OK. Obama can nominate anyone he wants and the GOP should just STFU about it. Especially when they are so completely powerless to do anything.
Title: You will see what I will have done here
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 01, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
FWIW, I really could care less about who he picks. It will be interesting to see how Obama handles this since he voted against both of Bush's nominees. Alito was a partisan pick for an unpopular president coming off another pick just 6 months prior, so I can give him the benefit of the doubt there. But, Roberts was about as good of a pick as there has been in the last 50 years. Obama's vote against him is pretty indefensible.

Yeah, Alito sucks but Roberts is awesome.

Hey, who wants to guess which jurist Roberts votes with the most?  Anyone?  Wanna throw some guesses out there?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2009, 09:00:47 PM
Alito?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 01, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
And what does that have to do with their qualifications when they were nominated?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2009, 08:25:42 AM
I dunno, cause "qualifications" are only qualifications in as much as they are predictors of future job performance?  Hurrrrrrr.

It's not like nobody could have predicted this either.  He was a big wheel in the Federalist Society and ruled for the government in the Hamdan case.  All the signs said "very conservative, but doesn't project an asshole personality like Scalia".

But then, why am I bothering to argue this?  Do you know any more about constitutional law and judicial resumes than Cheebs does about British politics?  Smart money says you're just puffing yourself up with outrage over something you haven't bothered to understand.  Again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 02, 2009, 11:43:10 AM
While I don't subscribe to the "this must be good for Republicans" framing that is all too pervasive, I also realize that wiping themselves into a frenzy these past couple months over weird bullshit was good training for a battle like this. This shit is gonna get messy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2009, 01:12:43 PM
Quote
Does Arlen Specter's defection from R to D strengthen the President's hand in Congress? Perhaps overall but not on judicial appointments because breaking (the equivalent of) a filibuster in the Senate Judiciary Committee requires the consent of at least one member of the minority. Before today, Specter was likely to be that one Republican. Now what?
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/04/specter-defection-will-haunt-dems-on.html
(more at link)

interesting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2009, 02:15:46 PM
Ugh, further proof that the Senate should just be nuked from orbit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2009, 11:51:50 PM
Jack Kemp died.

I'll always wonder if Dole picked him for the VP slot because he knew the ship was going down and wanted to take Kemp with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2009, 01:02:24 AM
Quote
Former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge (R) is considering running for the U.S. Senate nomination in his home state, reports Roll Call.

National Republicans "have been publicly and privately urging Ridge to consider a Senate bid since Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) announced earlier this week that he was switching parties and would run for re-election as a Democrat in 2010."

Ridge's "moderate politics and national profile would make him a more viable candidate" in the general election than former Rep. Pat Toomey (R-PA).
http://politicalwire.com/

That could work, I mean it makes far more sense than Toomey. Specter losing would be kinda funny
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 03, 2009, 02:24:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 02, 2009, 11:51:50 PM
Jack Kemp died.

I'll always wonder if Dole picked him for the VP slot because he knew the ship was going down and wanted to take Kemp with it.

I'm about 95% sure that's what happened.

Pee Dee- there's a very low chance that the nutbar GOP rump that will comprise the PA primary electorate is gonna vote for a pro-choice candidate.  Although it would be hilarious if somehow it ended up being Sestak vs. Ridge, I foresee Specter getting his wish of cleaning Toomey's clock in the general.

Personally, I'm more annoyed with Ben Nelson than anyone else these days.  Now he's bragging about how he'll throw a monkeywrench into any health care bill that has a public option because he's so in the pocket of the insurance companies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2009, 02:50:40 AM
Ha, when Specter switched I thought "now Ben Nelson gets order those 'Decisive Vote' business cards".

The problem with having barely as many votes as you need is that a single person (Specter, Nelson) or a small faction (Evan Bayh's merry band of chin-strokers) can hold a major bill hostage on their own.

We saw Menendez do the same thing with the emergency spending bill because of the Cuba issue.  I'm glad they're looking at the reconciliation process to get around the 60 vote requirement, but the Senate is so dumb.  Institutionally dumb.  Wannabe House of Lords total.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Positive Touch on May 06, 2009, 08:58:49 AM
so the dudes behind the torture policy won't be prosecuted, but two of them might be disbarred.  thanks guys, for completely crushing any illusions i had about fairness in the justice system regarding those in power.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2009, 01:42:12 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/steele-cedes-power-to-critics-in-rnc.php?ref=fp1

that was quick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 06, 2009, 08:22:04 PM
I'm simultaneously giving two shits about who he picks while puffing myself up with outrage.

Damn that hurts.




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on May 06, 2009, 09:35:34 PM
tomorrow is the national prayer day. Bush did a public event for it every year. Obama isn't doing one.

muslim or atheist?   :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Positive Touch on May 06, 2009, 09:48:52 PM
both, of course
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 06, 2009, 10:37:31 PM
Both, with a radical preacher.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 06, 2009, 10:42:14 PM
What's the difference between the two?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2009, 11:57:30 PM
He is still recognizing it just not holding an event. Though I'm sure FNC will have lots to say about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 06, 2009, 11:57:30 PM
He is still recognizing it just not holding an event. Though I'm sure FNC will have lots to say about it.

Yea, he's going back to the way Reagan and HW Bush recognized it. Of course I'd imagine the media won't mention that tomorrow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 07, 2009, 02:31:24 PM
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1896588,00.html

time has another "lost republican" article but it contains something rather funny

Quote
Samuel Wurzelbacher, better known as Joe the Plumber, tells TIME he's so outraged by GOP overspending, he's quitting the party — and he's the bull's-eye of its target audience. But he also said he wouldn't support any cuts in defense, Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid — which, along with debt payments, would put more than two-thirds of the budget off limits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 07, 2009, 02:40:45 PM
 :lol
It's better to be unemployed than it is to be a gop shill.

 :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
good riddance, cigarillo :israelcry 
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on May 07, 2009, 04:10:41 PM
It's kind of sad when Joe the Plumber leaves your party to grasp at relevancy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 07, 2009, 04:26:00 PM
through somewhat convoluted circumstances I ended up listening to the Micheal Savage show yesterday and it was the most entertaining talk radio I ever heard.  I was laughing all the way through as Savage somehow kept topping himself on the narcissism scale.

for those who don't know, Micheal Savage has been banned from entering Britain (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1177428/Jacqui-Smiths-latest-disaster-Banned-U-S-shock-jock-tried-visit-Britain--hes-suing.html) because he's been place on a list of other undesirable hatemongers.

anyways for the entirety of his three hour program he spent it lashing out at the British politician ("That creature" he called her), making implicit threats against her, promising to ruin Britain's economy through his and his audience's boycott of British products, and somehow connecting the Obama administration to his banning in a whole nother country.  He even heaped copious scorn against Fox News for not covering this tremendous scandal.

"I am the beacon of liberty!"  I swear he actually said that.

Listen to his show today, I beg you, it will be worth it for the lulz.  He'll still have enough vitriol to protest this for months.  It was awesome yesterday and I'm guessing it will still be funny for months to come.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2009, 10:55:33 PM
The British you say?!
http://larouchepac.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 07, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
He's an attention whore, not a hate monger.  He got Talker's magazine's freedom of speech award in 2007 for being the first conservative radio talk show host to really criticize Bush.  Other recepients include O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes, Rush, and Howard Stern.  Which are all attention whores.

Banning him in Britain is idiotic and will probably just make him more popular here and abroad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2009, 11:43:55 PM
Michael Savage is not a hate monger? I'm guessing you've never listened to his show. Hannity may be a deceptive ass, but he's not on Savage's level.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 08, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
at least Michael Weiner (Savage) has some interesting talking points outside of his insane political spewing.  Hannity is the douche that all other douches are measured against.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 01:51:57 AM
I'd say, if I made a scale, with "slight-SMH" being at the top and "full motion-SMH" being the bottom...

O'Reilly


Rush
Hannity


Beck

Savage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 02:07:01 AM
It's good to know that I'm dealing with a smh relativist, Maurice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2009, 02:16:01 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 07, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
He's an attention whore, not a hate monger.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY-JWahHQs&[/youtube]

Uh yeah, whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 02:16:34 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 08, 2009, 02:07:01 AM
It's good to know that I'm dealing with a smh relativist, Maurice.

I strive to impress, Arian.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2009, 03:30:22 AM
He might hate minorities and people that are on the other side of the aisle but he's not a hate monger.  He doesn't sound manipulative to me, just loud.  My guess is that the only reason he gets up in the morning isn't to make a difference in the world but to get his name mentioned a lot.

Being banned in Britain would just reflexively give him a little bit of public sympathy.  Even banning his show would be going too far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2009, 03:46:06 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 08, 2009, 03:30:22 AM
He might hate minorities and people that are on the other side of the aisle but he's not a hate monger.

That guy over there sells a lot of fish, but he's no fishmonger.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2009, 07:14:00 AM
I have no idea why you're twisting yourself into Gordian knot levels of logic over friggin' Michael Savage. So weird.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 09:20:33 AM
He's AM NINTENHO.  Twisting himself into absurd logic pretzels is what he does.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 08, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
April Jobs Report:

-539k
Unemployment 8.9%

Gubment +72k

March revised down to -699k from -663k
February revised down to -681k from -651k
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 09:38:05 AM
Well, I guess the good news is that you can say it's down from 600+k.  Still sucks balls tho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 08, 2009, 10:41:15 AM
Not really.

Gubment added 66k temporary census jobs. Plus the birth/death adjustment is interestingly high. Take those into account and its easily above 600k. Revisions will probably push it over 600k anyway though.

I believe the gubment is going to add over one million temporary census jobs over the next year too.

All ACORN members no doubt.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2009, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 08, 2009, 03:46:06 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 08, 2009, 03:30:22 AM
He might hate minorities and people that are on the other side of the aisle but he's not a hate monger.

That guy over there sells a lot of fish, but he's no fishmonger.
Savage doesn't sell goods or services, he gives an opinion.  The way he presents his opinion is so in-your-face that it won't actually influence anybody's views.

Martyring him will just make him raise his shtick and be more annoying in general.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 08, 2009, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 08, 2009, 03:46:06 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 08, 2009, 03:30:22 AM
He might hate minorities and people that are on the other side of the aisle but he's not a hate monger.

That guy over there sells a lot of fish, but he's no fishmonger.
Savage doesn't sell goods or services, he gives an opinion.  The way he presents his opinion is so in-your-face that it won't actually influence anybody's views.

Martyring him will just make him raise his shtick and be more annoying in general.
???

David Duke gives opinions as well. Savage's comments about immigrants, Muslims, black people, gays etc are pure hate.

[youtube=560,345]baOE_pxHC6A[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2009, 01:33:27 PM
So?

I don't know if he actually sincerely hates those minorities but nobody's stupid enough to present their real biases in that way.  His whole "opinion" is just a show that he does for a paycheck.  People who actually hate minorities try to hide their biases and sound more moderate or at least sane.

Savage doesn't.  Probably intentionally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 01:35:46 PM
That guy sure does hate a lot of people, but he's not hatemonger.

Is that easier to understand?  Probably not- you are AM NINTENHO, after all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
How are Savage's opinions any less inflammatory than the muslims on the British list? Because he isn't spewing hate about America?
Is Savage a religious man?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
I've seen a lot of stupid Right Wing Talking Points in my day

but Mustardgate may very well be the stupidest

SUMMARY: Barack Hussein Obama is an elitist because he likes Grey Poupon - spicy "Dijon mustard," French mustard - on his cheeseburgers instead of good American yellow French's (lol), like our founding fathers ate.

To quote a commenter at the HuffPo: "Grey Poupon is owned and manufactured by Kraft Foods. It is the processed cheese of mustards. It is the fucking Velveeta of faux-French products. Can we all shut the fuck up?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 03:28:02 PM
David Frum gets to the bottom of the mustard meme. (http://newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx?ID=deee68fd-d510-43d1-8b52-656f064b0aa6)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:23:01 PM
http://www.foodsacrossamerica.com/viennabeefhotdogkit.aspx

"And be forewarned - if you ask for ketchup, you’d better be under the age of twelve."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:27:04 PM
i don't really keep up with a lot of political minutia on the day to day so could someone link where this mustard thing started?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:29:24 PM
Hannity attacks Obama for putting mustard on his burger:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/07/hannity-attacks-obama-for_n_198851.html

Obama mustard attack becomes full-blown right-wing talking point:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/08/obama-mustard-attack-beco_n_199953.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 04:39:05 PM
get the fuck out

they have to be thinking of this because of the fucking "pardon me" commercials from the 80s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cyanista on May 08, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
I love mustard!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:45:02 PM
I buy American-made Beaver Sweet Hot Mustard! :american

(http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/07/18/28/00/0007182800209_215X215.jpg)

Meanwhile, President Obama betrays his fellow countrymen, demanding la moutarde. :usacry

(http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/secondhelpings/uploaded_images/GreyPoupon-712070.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2009, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on May 08, 2009, 04:23:01 PM
"And be forewarned - if you ask for ketchup, you’d better be under the age of twelve."

Obviously, I have zero problem with Obama getting mustard on his burgers, but I like ketchup, dang it. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 04:58:28 PM
one of the most epic threads in the history of GAF was between people who eat their steak without steak sauce and people who eat their steak like some kind of goddamned moral imbecile
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 05:01:57 PM
my gf gets it well done and then adds sauce to it

i cry.

and the tears mix with my rare/medium rare steak
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 08, 2009, 05:10:42 PM
blood is the only sauce a good steak needs

sanguinlicious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 05:11:22 PM
indeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 05:15:58 PM
Quote from: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 05:01:57 PM
and the tears mix with my rare/medium rare steak

has anyone invented the word lacrimaceration yet? if not, can I be the first
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
MM is blowing this out of proportion, something they do all the time. Hannity brought it up as a joke - to label it an "attack" is ridiculous. The final segment of his show is always light hearted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 07:51:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 07:48:42 PM
MM is blowing this out of proportion, something they do all the time. Hannity brought it up as a joke - to label it an "attack" is ridiculous. The final segment of his show is always light hearted.

Oh Christ, just stfu.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Saint Cornelius on May 08, 2009, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: Cyanista on May 08, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
I love mustard!

Mustard + cheetoes.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 07:53:26 PM
yes lets ignore the facts to get outraged over fake outrage

gtfo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 07:57:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 07:53:26 PM
yes lets ignore the facts to get outraged over fake outrage

gtfo

Who the hell is outraged at their outrage?  Pointing and laughing is more like it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
yawn

Anyway,
Quote
The total number of Americans who are not working full-time but ought to be is actually about 22 million, or 15.8 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/economy-watch/2009/05/actual_us_unemployment_158.html

One of the most interesting things I learned about in early econ classes

edit:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/horray-second-derivative-of.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2009, 08:32:32 PM
Quote from: Eric P on May 08, 2009, 05:01:57 PM
my gf gets it well done and then adds sauce to it

i cry.

and the tears mix with my rare/medium rare steak

Better the shittiest cuts in the fridge go to someone that won't be able to taste it I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2009, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 08, 2009, 01:35:46 PM
That guy sure does hate a lot of people, but he's not hatemonger.
I don't know, I'm assuming that a hatemonger is someone who can actually influence the public's opinion.  That's like calling Howard Stern a pornmonger...
Quote from: Saint Cornelius on May 08, 2009, 07:52:52 PM
Mustard + cheetoes.  :yuck
flaming hot cheetos with instant mashed potatoes was my meal for about a week.  So good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2009, 08:41:48 PM
This one joke that appeared at the end of the Hannity show became an ongoing right-wing meme that appeared throughout most right-wing shows (dunno about FoxNews). They were joking, but thought they were making a point their audience might actually care about. It's OK to call attention to the absurdity of this.

When it plays into the ongoing meme of Obama as the perfumed Aristocrat out of touch with the common man, when they're the one's who've been raping and pillaging them for years (stoping tax havens, outrageous!) it gets a bit more insidiuous.

But please keep expressing your high-mindedness through yawns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 08, 2009, 08:41:48 PM
This one joke that appeared at the end of the Hannity show became an ongoing right-wing meme that appeared throughout most right-wing shows (dunno about FoxNews). They were joking, but thought they were making a point their audience might actually care about. It's OK to call attention to the absurdity of this.

When it plays into the ongoing meme of Obama as the perfumed Aristocrat out of touch with the common man, when they're the one's who've been raping and pillaging them for years (stoping tax havens, outrageous!) it gets a bit more insidiuous.

But please keep expressing your high-mindedness through yawns.

There's nothing high-minded about it, but I'll make sure to yawn again after this post. Guess what, what he did wasn't much different from what the Daily Show does every night - although of course it managed to be less funny, which is kinda impressive. And yea, the Daily Show is a comedy show on Comedy Central vs Fox being a news station but the point remains that it was nothing more than a light jab, which happened to touch on the dumb "out of touch" meme as you said.

Insidiuous? Seriously? yawn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2009, 08:51:42 PM
I can't tell if you're really clueless or just pretending to be clueless

so, good job on emulating your hero Hannity I guess
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
Late 30's Maurice:  "Guys, you're getting your panties in a bunch over nothing.  This Benito Mussollini fellow is clearly jerking your chain!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 08:56:10 PM
yawn

*gets the tivo ready for Hannity*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2009, 08:59:19 PM
"I'm so open-minded, I watch Sean Hannity and frown at Keith Olbermann!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
If you must know, I watched Hannity's America a couple times, just to see how it's changed now that whats-his-face is gone. Hannity used to have these almost-monthly special shows where he'd dredge into some investigative matter, oh like Obama's personal ties to terrorists. Well his new show is worse than those specials were.

And yes, it features a bunch of bad segments that are supposed to be funny. Like the "what liberals really mean" part

Triumph: how about I watch Fox so you don't have to, and you watch Olbermann so no one else has to :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2009, 09:51:54 PM
The worst thing about Olbermann is that he seems to be a fan of Seth McFarlane.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 08, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/357k.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 09, 2009, 01:51:53 AM
seriously i can't think of a worse or more embarrassing photo op that came at such an incredible price to taxpa-

(http://i39.tinypic.com/zv75ao.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
obama's teleprompter traveled back in time it seems
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 09, 2009, 06:46:49 AM
tsk tsk , the Republican party is attempting to be (slightly) forward thinking (but not really LOLOLOLOLOL), let's not dwell on the recent past
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 09, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050804228.html?hpid=topnews (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050804228.html?hpid=topnews)

LMAO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2009, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 09, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050804228.html?hpid=topnews (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/08/AR2009050804228.html?hpid=topnews)

LMAO

Jebus Christ, it's like you don't even bother reading the first sentence anymore.

Quote
The Obama administration is preparing to revive the system of military commissions established at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, under new rules that would offer terrorism suspects greater legal protections, government officials said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 09, 2009, 12:12:56 PM
spin it like a good little hopenchanger  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2009, 12:16:52 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 09, 2009, 12:12:56 PM
spin it like a good little hopenchanger  ;)

Ok, we'll put 'em in the regular justice system.  Meanwhile they can all stay at your house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 09, 2009, 07:45:14 PM
I like how the titty babies on the right somehow believe that if these "enemy combatants" touch US soil they'll somehow enact Plan Allah like they were GIJOE villains, it's another peek into their cartoonishly frightened mind.

If there's one thing the good ol' US of A is good at, it's keeping people in prison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 09, 2009, 08:21:02 PM
Quote from: Kosma on May 09, 2009, 08:18:25 PM
Mustard is an issue in the US?  ::)

If we were to list the distinguished mentally-challenged distractions that have kept us from discussing actual issues, it would crash your browser.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 09, 2009, 06:19:47 PM
Just read SD's post history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 09, 2009, 06:48:37 PM
 :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 09, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
-"Excessive" use of a teleprompter
-Not wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin
-Bowing to a Saudi King
-Provides lame gifts to foreign leaders
-Is too good for regular mustard

To think, if we currently weren't in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, Obama would have been impeached at least 3 times by now.
Title: Post contains bonus hidden meta-joke
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2009, 07:44:28 PM
Too deferential to royalty! (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93696)

Not deferential enough royalty!
 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2009%2F04%2F02%2Fmichelle-obama-hugs-queen_n_182237.html&ei=AT8GSrqnH5altgejs5CVBw&rct=j&q=michelle+obama+queen&usg=AFQjCNGR1EAsoF6zjapMfcca39uluc7iuA)
...condiments (http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/05/msnbc-hides-obamas-dijon-mustard.html)!


If only we had Palin as president.  We wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
http://www.palinaspresident.us/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 09, 2009, 10:43:07 PM
I always wonder where things'll go when Republicans return to being incrediblely cynical about the populous and which part of their base's lizard brains they can tap into. I'm not sure what resource hasn't been tapped out yet though. Hey maybe the Irish have been preserved long enough that they're a fresh hate resource!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 10, 2009, 09:10:06 PM
From the Dept. of OH SNAP! : (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/05/quote-day-51009)

Quote
Quote of the Day - 5.10.09
— By Kevin Drum | Sun May 10, 2009 9:38 AM PST

From Bill Schneider, CNN election guru and former senior fellow at the right-wing American Enterprise Institute:

   "The Republicans aren't a party, they're a cult."

Well, today's GOP does seem to check most of the boxes in the International Cultic Studies Association's "Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups." (http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articles/langone_michael_checklis.htm)  Except for this one: "The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members."  That doesn't seem to be much of a priority for them these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2009, 11:57:11 PM
Cheney
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/10/cheney-says-obama-endangers-nation/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 11, 2009, 09:38:46 AM
Quote
Mr. Cheney also took a shot at former Bush administration Secretary of State Colin Powell, saying that the conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh is a more loyal Republican than the former Army commander.

"If I had to choose in terms of being a Republican, I'd go with Rush Limbaugh," Mr. Cheney said.

Mr. Powell recently said that Republicans need to more move to the center politically and that Mr. Limbaugh's polarizing far-right rhetoric hurts the party's image.


so true

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 11, 2009, 09:52:01 AM
"Dick Cheney couldn't be here tonight. He is still working on his book " How to shoot your friends and torture people"."
Barack Obama 5/8/2009

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 11, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
ugh

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/11/AR2009051100265_pf.html

Quote
Five U.S. Soldiers' Deaths Came at Hands of Comrade, Military Says

By Ernesto Londoño
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, May 11, 2009 12:49 PM

BAGHDAD, May 11 -- An American soldier opened fire on comrades Monday on a large military base in Baghdad, killing five, the U.S. military said.

The shooting at Camp Liberty, one of the largest bases in Baghdad, occurred about 2 p.m.

Lt. Col. Brian Tribus, a U.S. military spokesman, said the gunman was taken into custody.

A U.S. military officer in Baghdad said the shooting occurred at the base's combat stress clinic.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the incident shook up soldiers, many of whom are in their third and even fourth tours. Some broke down in tears, he said.

"A lot of soldiers are wondering why," the official said. "We will be asking as leaders: What could we have done? How could have we protected the soldiers?"

Most military facilities in Iraq have combat stress clinics, where soldiers seek counseling and are at times prescribed medicine for anxiety and depression.

The Army is grappling with a growing incidence of suicide cases, which military leaders attribute to the stress inflicted by multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The military did not immediately say what the motive might have been.

"Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects all of us," said U.S. military spokesman Col. John Robinson. "Our hearts go out to the families and friends of all the service members involved in this terrible tragedy."

The incident was among the deadliest attacks for U.S. troops in recent months. It appears to be the deadliest incident in which U.S. deaths were caused by a fellow U.S. soldier since the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.

The shooting was particularly chilling for soldiers based at Victory Base Compound, which includes Liberty, because it is regarded as one of the safest installations for U.S. troops in Iraq.

Control to the compound is tightly restricted, but American soldiers carry weapons on base.

Also on Monday, the military said an American soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in southern Iraq. The attack occurred Sunday at 2 p.m. in Basra province. U.S. soldiers recently deployed additional troops to the province to replace British troops, who formally ended their mission there last month.

Liberty is one of three U.S. military bases adjacent to Baghdad International Airport.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 11, 2009, 02:53:13 PM
Also this (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53F4HC20090416) and this (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hjp2abOc6tE4KABa8rL5F2YuArow).

All horrible and depressing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 11, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
Reminds me of the movie In The Valley of Elah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2009, 03:03:23 PM
Quote
(CBS/ AP)  President Obama's plan to provide medical insurance for all Americans took a big step toward becoming reality after leaders of the health care industry offered $2 trillion in spending reductions over 10 years to help pay for the program.

On Monday, Mr. Obama praised health industry groups for coming forward with the offier.

Mr. Obama appeared at the White House with an array of industry figures, including union representatives, and called it the occasion "historic."

The industry figures pledged to the president that they would voluntarily slow their rate increases over the next 10 years.

Mr. Obama said the step the industry took Monday must be carried out as part of "a broader effort" to change the health care system, keep costs under control and provide health insurance for the some 46 million Americans who do not now have it.

He said, "I will not rest until the dream of health care reform is achieved in the United States of America."
more at link http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/10/politics/main5004956.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_5004956

Krugman
Quote
But on Saturday, excited administration officials called me to say that this time the medical-industrial complex (their term, not mine) is offering to be helpful.

Six major industry players — including America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), a descendant of the lobbying group that spawned Harry and Louise — have sent a letter to President Obama sketching out a plan to control health care costs. What’s more, the letter implicitly endorses much of what administration officials have been saying about health economics.

Are there reasons to be suspicious about this gift? You bet — and I’ll get to that in a bit. But first things first: on the face of it, this is tremendously good news.

The signatories of the letter say that they’re developing proposals to help the administration achieve its goal of shaving 1.5 percentage points off the growth rate of health care spending. That may not sound like much, but it’s actually huge: achieving that goal would save $2 trillion over the next decade.

How are costs to be contained? There are few details, but the industry has clearly been reading Peter Orszag, the budget director.

In his previous job, as the director of the Congressional Budget Office, Mr. Orszag argued that America spends far too much on some types of health care with little or no medical benefit, even as it spends too little on other types of care, like prevention and treatment of chronic conditions. Putting these together, he concluded that “substantial opportunities exist to reduce costs without harming health over all.”

Sure enough, the health industry letter talks of “reducing over-use and under-use of health care by aligning quality and efficiency incentives.” It also picks up a related favorite Orszag theme, calling for “adherence to evidence-based best practices and therapies.” All in all, it’s just what the doctor, er, budget director ordered.

Before we start celebrating, however, we have to ask the obvious question. Is this gift a Trojan horse? After all, several of the organizations that sent that letter have in the past been major villains when it comes to health care policy.

I’ve already mentioned AHIP. There’s also the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the lobbying group that helped push through the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003 — a bill that both prevented Medicare from bargaining over drug prices and locked in huge overpayments to private insurers. Indeed, one of the new letter’s signatories is former Representative Billy Tauzin, who shepherded that bill through Congress then immediately left public office to become PhRMA’s lavishly paid president.

The point is that there’s every reason to be cynical about these players’ motives. Remember that what the rest of us call health care costs, they call income.

What’s presumably going on here is that key interest groups have realized that health care reform is going to happen no matter what they do, and that aligning themselves with the Party of No will just deny them a seat at the table. (Republicans, after all, still denounce research into which medical procedures are effective and which are not as a dastardly plot to deprive Americans of their freedom to choose.)

I would strongly urge the Obama administration to hang tough in the bargaining ahead. In particular, AHIP will surely try to use the good will created by its stance on cost control to kill an important part of health reform: giving Americans the choice of buying into a public insurance plan as an alternative to private insurers. The administration should not give in on this point.

But let me not be too negative. The fact that the medical-industrial complex is trying to shape health care reform rather than block it is a tremendously good omen. It looks as if America may finally get what every other advanced country already has: a system that guarantees essential health care to all its citizens.

And serious cost control would change everything, not just for health care, but for America’s fiscal future. As Mr. Orszag has emphasized, rising health care costs are the main reason long-run budget projections look so grim. Slow the rate at which those costs rise, and the future will look far brighter.

I still won’t count my health care chickens until they’re hatched. But this is some of the best policy news I’ve heard in a long time.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=2&ref=opinion


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 11, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
Gots me a totally random question. I know we all like to skewer Ron Paul, but given the choice between him and John McCain, who would you vote for?

In case anyone's wondering why I'm asking such a question, well I didn't really follow politics too much before say, prolly September last year. So I really didn't know much about Ron Paul or his views and such. I pretty much continued to ignore him (like pretty much everyone did lol) until just about a few days ago when I just passed the time at work by watching random political videos. Now I don't agree with all his views of course, but I found some of his policies to make more sense than McCain's. So I was just curious who political-bore feels is the lesser of two evils.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 11, 2009, 08:45:29 PM
i probably wouldn't vote if i felt extreme dislike for both candidates

but in that case, ron paul because he would be incapable of doing anything
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 11, 2009, 09:13:24 PM
I would write in Alfred E. Neuman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 11, 2009, 09:14:49 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/stimulus-vs-unemployment-april.gif)

Over/Under for Stimulus II? October?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 11, 2009, 11:12:32 PM
Mr. Paul, easily. He may be the mascot for moral and political infants, but I do believe in protecting most civil freedoms, unlike the mccain set
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 11, 2009, 11:49:28 PM
I'm not gonna lie, as much as I might laugh at the libertopians, if I had to trade center-left pragmatisism for a full fledged, let's get hardcore, Ideology the lolbertopians are near the only ones I could take allegience to. They might be hardcore but at least theire ideology isn't just about beatin' on a few select minorities just to get their rocks off, then pretending it didn't happen.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Although many that protest against "redistributing wealth" are really just upset that their money is going to distinguished black fellows, so I'm unsure how much this is true.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2009, 01:04:44 AM
The libertopians would have some advantages- the weed and hookers angle, for example.  Mostly, tho, their insane economic policies would likely cause a widescale national revolt where the 95% of the people that work to create the wealth that the 5% keep would be more apt to line the aristocrats up and start cutting off heads, which would be totally groovy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2009, 01:47:40 AM
Is he an engineer or something?  Medical research?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on May 12, 2009, 03:08:54 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 11, 2009, 08:20:33 PM
Gots me a totally random question. I know we all like to skewer Ron Paul, but given the choice between him and John McCain, who would you vote for?
I'd skip the presidential ticket and vote for all the lower level stuff. Ron Paul is just as bad as any run of the mill Republican. In many cases far worse because he is a true believer on the conservative economic shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 12, 2009, 04:33:45 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJR-WzMjCGA&[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdkEHIjsXQI&[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 09:35:43 AM
The right are so angry about this. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 09:41:52 AM
well she did blatantly attack the leader of their party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 09:41:52 AM
well she did blatantly attack the leader of their party

 :lol

I died when Obama said that Steele says, "in the heezy".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on May 12, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
So.... Barack Obama may just gotten me a job. I applied like 6-7 months ago for some job at a govt. agency. I randomly got an email back yesterday saying they suddenly have the money to hire more people thanks to the stimulus package to come in for a interview. If all goes well Obama may just gotten me a job then.

Porkulus package indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 11:25:38 AM
Harper's Weekly Round Up is really hilarious sometimes

After much bargaining with the largest banks in the United
States, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner announced the
results of the Treasury's "stress tests," studies that
estimate how the banks will fare if the economic crisis
deepens. Ten banks, said Geithner, including Bank of
America, Citibank, and Wells Fargo, must collectively
raise $75 billion in extra capital by November; the rest,
however, are fine. Analysts questioned Geithner's
conclusions, which assume a worst-case unemployment rate
of 10.3 percent when the current rate is 8.9 percent, and
which, after banks complained, ended up measuring
bank-capital levels with standards more forgiving than
expected; Bank of America's potential capital deficit, for
example, was finally pegged at merely $33.9 billion
instead of the $50 billion initially projected. President
Barack Obama said that his staff went "line by line"
through the $3.4 trillion federal budget and found 121
programs that could be cut to save taxpayers $17 billion,
or half a percent of the budget's total. Democratic
lawmakers immediately protested the cuts, and
Representative Maurice Hinchey (D., N.Y.) vowed to force
the White House to accept delivery of a new presidential
helicopter even though Obama says he doesn't need or want
it. The U.S. Navy reported that 12 crewmembers aboard the
amphibious transport ship USS Dubuque had been diagnosed
with influenza A (H1N1), bringing the total number of
U.S. cases of the flu to 1,600, with 2,500 cases reported
worldwide in 25 countries. Afghanistan, despite having no
cases of swine flu, took its only known pig, a gift from
China named Khanzir (which means "pig"), away from the
friendly goats and deer with which it grazed at Kabul Zoo
and placed it in solitary confinement.

Maine recognized same-sex marriage, as did Washington,
D.C., where the city council approved a bill by a 12 to 1
vote, with only former mayor Marion Barry dissenting. "All
hell is going to break loose," said Barry, who was once
arrested for using crack cocaine. "We may have a civil
war. The black community is just adamant against this."
The Simon Wiesenthal Center presented its 2009
Humanitarian Award to actor Will Smith, and President
Obama appeared at the White House Correspondents'
Association dinner. "I must confess," he told the crowd,
which included Robert De Niro, Natalie Portman, Sting, and
Ludacris, "I really didn't want to be here tonight. But I
had to come. That's one more problem I inherited from
George Bush." Obama also pointed out that Michelle Obama,
by wearing a sleeveless dress, supported the "right to
bare arms." Senator John Kerry attended a Senate
subcommittee hearing on the future of journalism. "I see
cacophony without standards," he said. "I see more and
more people operating in public life with snippets." Pete
Seeger turned 90. Pope Benedict XVI visited Israel, where
he spoke of his support for a Palestinian state and
Israeli president Shimon Peres presented him with an Old
Testament that fits on the head of a pin. The wife of
Kenyan Prime Minister Ralia Odinga agreed to forgo sex
with her husband as part of a national sex boycott
intended to force government leaders to stop feuding, and
Kenyan James Kimondo, denied conjugal rights by his
boycotting wife, sued women's rights groups for "stress,
mental anguish, backaches, and lack of sleep."

Congolese government soldiers sodomized pygmies to gain
supernatural powers, and Marilyn French, author of the
novel The Women's Room, died. "All men are rapists," she
wrote, "and that's all they are. They rape us with their
eyes, their laws, and their codes." The price of oral sex
from a prostitute in Russia had fallen to that of a
sandwich and soda, and many Russian men were hiring
hookers just for conversation. Moscow schoolgirl Katya
Kazakova, struck by stage fright, was unable to sing a
patriotic song, "The Dug Out," for Russian Prime Minister
Vladimir Putin, until Putin joined in. "The fire is
pulsing in a cramped stove," they sang together, Putin's
voice soft and melodious. "The resin on the firewood is
like a tear." Scientists in North Carolina announced a
tiny medieval "rack," or robotic bioreactor, that can
stretch slivers of foreskin to twice their original size
and may some day be used for skin grafts. Jeff Kepner, a
57-year-old Georgian man who lost both his hands to a
bacterial infection ten years ago, received the nation's
first double hand transplant, and five months after her
operation, Connie Culp, who was the first American to
receive a full facial transplant, unveiled her new face,
which--while squarish and floppy--is a drastic improvement
over the old one after her husband blew it off with a
shotgun in 2004. A two-nosed Wisconsin cow named Lucy gave
birth to a normal calf, and a New York City cow named
Molly broke free of her handlers on the way to the
slaughterhouse and ran free through the streets of
Queens. Molly's owners, responding to public outcry,
agreed to spare her and move her to Long Island, where she
will live with a steer named Wexley. "He's been neutered,"
said Wexley's owner, "so they are just going to have to be
good friends."

-- Claire Gutierrez
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 02:09:18 PM
who has the balls to watch this?

This Revolution: When I first learned that Rosario Dawson was starring in a Medium Cool homage/remake I remember thinking, “Wow. That sounds interesting. And terrible.” Sweet sassy mollassy, was I ever right. The film gained a modicum of notoriety when Dawson was arrested at the 2004 Republican Convention alongside other protestors. Then This Revolution sunk like a stone, deservedly so.

I have profoundly mixed feelings about Medium Cool. It contains perhaps some of the most powerful sequences in the history of American film (the ‘68 convention stuff is riveting) and pointed the way towards a new strain of timely, politically engaged docu-drama that blended documentary and narrative in new and challenging ways. Yet writer-director Haskell Wexler’s cult classic was less the opening shot of a cinematic revolution than a dead end. Few filmmakers had the balls to follow in Wexler’s rebellious footsteps, to put themselves on the front lines of violent social unrest to record history as it happens.

Medium Cool is half timeless super-genius, half-macho bullshit. As much as I love kindly, paternal, old-guy Robert Forster he was a bit of a lightweight in his youth and I found the film’s ‘tude and cock-of-the-walk swagger a little oppressive. If Medium Cool is half-genius, half-bullshit then This Revolution is 99 percent bullshit, one-percent genius.

The film stars the deeply unpromising Nathan Crooker (playing a character named Jake Cassavettes in a clumsy homage to Wexler’s plan to have Medium Cool star John Cassavettes as himself) as a ballsy reporter who just got back from being embedded in Iraq where he saw shit that you would never believe, man.

He also returns to girlfriend/boss Amy Redford, a suit who’s all, “Let’s hand over footage of activists to the Homeland Security Department so they can take away our rights and usher us into a nightmare Orwellian hellscape in which the corporate media colludes with a Fascist totalitarian government of the Wall Street Pigs, for the Wall Street Pigs and By The Wall Street Pigs”. That is her idea of pillow talk. It’s not surprising that Crooker finds himself falling for a single mother/Iraq War widow (Rosario Dawson) who’s all sensitive and soulful and ethnic and attractive despite her hideous blonde cornrows.

Political rapper Immortal Technique does a terrible job playing political rapper Immortal Technique in scenes where he dresses down Crooker for never covering how, you know, shit is real in the hood, G. Crooker’s disillusionment with the government and the AmeriKKKan corporate media grows even more acute when he falls in with a group of masked radicals and learns of his employer’s plans to hand over his tapes to the government to help it keep tabs on dissidents.

The pigs wanna shut Crooker down but he subverts the dominant paradigm by hacking into his cable news channel’s system and airing a terrible avant-garde provocation exposing the media’s lies. Factor in wooden dialogue, clumsy, strident non-stop speechifying, porn-level acting, hokey plot twists, and footage that looks like it was shot on grandma’s video camera and you have a hysterical manifesto that almost made me ashamed to be a progressive. Writer-director Stephen Marshall, co-founder of the Guerilla News Network, set out to make a Medium Cool for our era. Instead he made the cinematic equivalent of a “No Blood For Oil” bumper sticker.

Just How Bad Is It? Awful. Just god-fucking-awful

http://www.avclub.com/articles/winona-ryder-gets-her-mpdg-on-rosario-dawson-remak,27827/?utm_source=homepage_recent_features
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2009, 02:32:55 PM
[youtube=560,345]zoqmH49VBC0[/youtube]
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: enjoy bell woods on May 12, 2009, 02:58:14 PM
Triumph's still a dumbass. Some things never change.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2009, 03:00:07 PM
Quote from: enjoy bell woods on May 12, 2009, 02:58:14 PM
Triumph's still a dumbass. Some things never change.

Indeed, such as the fact that you're a fey little bitch-ling that validates his existence by listening to bad, obscure music.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: enjoy bell woods on May 12, 2009, 03:00:34 PM
Eh, not really. Good one, fatso.

"Obscure": (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/bonnie_prince_billy.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
I'm sorry, I can't hear you with the entirety of Animal Collective's cock in your mouth at once.

Also, Bonnie Prince Billy is obscure but not bad.  Plus, he's been in a Kanye West video.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: enjoy bell woods on May 12, 2009, 03:03:26 PM
Animal Collective???  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2009, 03:10:45 PM
Whatever, I can't keep up with all of the shitty music you listen to.

But please, come by more often.  Your six month periodic visits to post the same stupid posts repeatedly don't come often enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: enjoy bell woods on May 12, 2009, 03:17:17 PM
http://metacritic.com/music/artists/superfurryanimals/darkdayslightyears

pretty good for a bad band...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 12, 2009, 03:20:19 PM
STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 03:21:09 PM
Yeah, knock it off or I'm going to take enjoy bell woods outside and enjoy his bell woods...

... in his anus.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not in a gay way.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 03:21:58 PM
that doesn't even make sense

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 03:22:32 PM
I'm on a heavy amount of cold medication, but I'm pretty sure it made sense when I read it back to myself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 12, 2009, 03:31:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark
*Jesse Ventura video*

Good points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 03:33:13 PM
(CNN) — Former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee is continuing to deride his party's leaders in Washington, saying Monday he has trouble keeping a straight face over the GOP's newly-launched "listening tour."

"It's hard to keep from laughing out loud when people living in the bubble of the Beltway suddenly wake up one day and think they ought to have a listening tour; even funnier when their first earful expedition takes them all the way to the suburbs of Washington, D.C.," the former Arkansas governor wrote in a column on Fox News' Web site.

Earlier this month, Rep. Eric Cantor, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney kicked off a campaign by party leaders to reshape the GOP's image, gathering at a restaurant in northern Virginia for the first of a series of town hall meetings.

The goal of the initiative, the National Council for a New America, is to connect Republican leaders with voters across the country to help get the party's electoral fortunes back on track.

"If some of these leaders had been listening already, they wouldn't need to form a group to start listening now," wrote Huckabee. "Some of the ones who have decided to start listening sure weren't listening last fall when they were supporting the TARP bailout bill that pretty much discredited any semblance of conservative conviction."

Huckabee echoed a similar sentiment last week, telling a California newspaper the GOP was at risk of becoming "irrelevant as the Whigs" if it moderated its policies.

... Why is Huckabee so awesome, but awful at the same time?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2009, 03:36:06 PM
Quote
"It's hard to keep from laughing out loud when people living in the bubble of the Beltway suddenly wake up one day and think they ought to have a listening tour; even funnier when their first earful expedition takes them all the way to the suburbs of Washington, D.C.," the former Arkansas governor wrote in a column on Fox News' Web site.

ether  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 03:37:08 PM
Yeah, that quote is gold.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
he's batshit on social issues but doesn't tow the GOP line on many other issues... The party needs more Hucks, less Gingrichs

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
GOP needs less Gingrich, less Huckabee, more Fiorello La Guardia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2009, 04:29:56 PM
and more Megan McCains.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 12, 2009, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
he's batshit on social issues but doesn't tow the GOP line on many other issues... The party needs more Hucks, less Gingrichs

Wayne DuMond
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 12, 2009, 10:17:02 PM
Quote from: Eric P on May 12, 2009, 02:09:18 PM
who has the balls to watch this?

This Revolution: When I first learned that Rosario Dawson was starring in a Medium Cool homage/remake I remember thinking, “Wow. That sounds interesting. And terrible.” Sweet sassy mollassy, was I ever right. The film gained a modicum of notoriety when Dawson was arrested at the 2004 Republican Convention alongside other protestors. Then This Revolution sunk like a stone, deservedly so.

I have profoundly mixed feelings about Medium Cool. It contains perhaps some of the most powerful sequences in the history of American film (the ‘68 convention stuff is riveting) and pointed the way towards a new strain of timely, politically engaged docu-drama that blended documentary and narrative in new and challenging ways. Yet writer-director Haskell Wexler’s cult classic was less the opening shot of a cinematic revolution than a dead end. Few filmmakers had the balls to follow in Wexler’s rebellious footsteps, to put themselves on the front lines of violent social unrest to record history as it happens.

Medium Cool is half timeless super-genius, half-macho bullshit. As much as I love kindly, paternal, old-guy Robert Forster he was a bit of a lightweight in his youth and I found the film’s ‘tude and cock-of-the-walk swagger a little oppressive. If Medium Cool is half-genius, half-bullshit then This Revolution is 99 percent bullshit, one-percent genius.

The film stars the deeply unpromising Nathan Crooker (playing a character named Jake Cassavettes in a clumsy homage to Wexler’s plan to have Medium Cool star John Cassavettes as himself) as a ballsy reporter who just got back from being embedded in Iraq where he saw shit that you would never believe, man.

He also returns to girlfriend/boss Amy Redford, a suit who’s all, “Let’s hand over footage of activists to the Homeland Security Department so they can take away our rights and usher us into a nightmare Orwellian hellscape in which the corporate media colludes with a Fascist totalitarian government of the Wall Street Pigs, for the Wall Street Pigs and By The Wall Street Pigs”. That is her idea of pillow talk. It’s not surprising that Crooker finds himself falling for a single mother/Iraq War widow (Rosario Dawson) who’s all sensitive and soulful and ethnic and attractive despite her hideous blonde cornrows.

Political rapper Immortal Technique does a terrible job playing political rapper Immortal Technique in scenes where he dresses down Crooker for never covering how, you know, shit is real in the hood, G. Crooker’s disillusionment with the government and the AmeriKKKan corporate media grows even more acute when he falls in with a group of masked radicals and learns of his employer’s plans to hand over his tapes to the government to help it keep tabs on dissidents.

The pigs wanna shut Crooker down but he subverts the dominant paradigm by hacking into his cable news channel’s system and airing a terrible avant-garde provocation exposing the media’s lies. Factor in wooden dialogue, clumsy, strident non-stop speechifying, porn-level acting, hokey plot twists, and footage that looks like it was shot on grandma’s video camera and you have a hysterical manifesto that almost made me ashamed to be a progressive. Writer-director Stephen Marshall, co-founder of the Guerilla News Network, set out to make a Medium Cool for our era. Instead he made the cinematic equivalent of a “No Blood For Oil” bumper sticker.

Just How Bad Is It? Awful. Just god-fucking-awful

http://www.avclub.com/articles/winona-ryder-gets-her-mpdg-on-rosario-dawson-remak,27827/?utm_source=homepage_recent_features

Rosario Dawson is fucking hot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2009, 10:46:03 PM
The Luv Guv, Elliot Spitzer is on Rachel right now spittin' knowledge.  It's a shame America is so hung up on where our politicians put their schlongs, cause he'd be real useful as oh I dunno TREASURY SECRETARY right about now.
Title: LOL: "Babyface" blacks more likely to be productive CEOs, but not for whites
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2009, 11:37:20 PM
'Babyface' look can help black CEOs, study says
However, white executives are hindered by similar characteristics

PHILADELPHIA - Black Fortune 500 CEOs with a "babyface" appearance are more likely to lead companies with higher revenues and prestige than black CEOs who look more mature, an upcoming study says.

In contrast with research showing that white executives are hindered by babyface characteristics, a disarming appearance can help black CEOs by counteracting the stigma that black men are threatening, according to the study from Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management.

The study is scheduled to be published in the journal Psychological Science in September.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 13, 2009, 09:23:56 AM
So I guess this whole Notre Dame visit is causing a bit of a circus, and I feel bad for the students.  Here are two viewpoints:

In South Bend, former Operation Rescue leader Terry has set up shop, scheduling rounds of protests. Followers stand at the university gates, holding up signs with photos of aborted fetuses. Last week, Republican gadfly Keyes was among 22 protesters arrested on trespassing charges.

"We want this to be a political mud pit for Obama," Terry said. "Our mission is to tar him with the blood of the babies so he can never shake it between now and 2012."

...

"I think it's good that he's coming and increasing dialogue, because that's what a university is all about," said Rumer, a junior. Many seniors, she added, "don't want their graduation to be ruined."

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 13, 2009, 01:55:21 PM
GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWClPzovaq4&[/youtube]

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GAAAAAAAAAAAAY
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2009, 03:06:45 PM
i always wanted to marry a turtle
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2009, 06:02:47 PM
WOULD YOU PUT REIGNS ON A RACE HORSE?  WHY MUST OUR TITANS OF INDUSTRY BE REIGNED IN?

Quote
Obama Administration Plans New Regulations for Derivatives

By David Cho and Zachary A. Goldfarb
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:51 PM

The Obama administration will detail this afternoon its plan to regulate the exotic financial contracts that helped fuel the global crisis and crippled some of the biggest names on Wall Street, such as American International Group, sources familiar with the matter said.

The proposal, which will require congressional action, imposes a number of restrictions on the so-called dark markets that trade a broad range of these instruments, known as derivatives, without government oversight.

An announcement is scheduled for 4 p.m. The heads of the Treasury Department, Securities and Exchange Commission and Commodity Futures Trading Commission are likely to jointly unveil the proposal.

The administration is seeking to amend securities law so that most derivatives would have to be traded through central clearinghouses regulated by the SEC and the CFTC.

In turn, the clearinghouses would require traders to maintain enough money in reserve so they could cover losses in any investments gone bad. These so-called margin requirements have been a hotly debated issue between the government and private traders because it curbs their profits.

The two government agencies would also impose record-keeping and reporting requirements for the traders, ensuring a paper trail for their activities.

In addition, the government is seeking to increase the powers of the market regulators to clamp down on fraud. The government would also have greater authority to prevent anyone from cornering a market, especially in commodity trading where a few investors can have an outsized effect on the price of a critical good such as natural gas or cotton.

Some derivative contracts would still be traded outside of the clearinghouses under the administration's plan. But such trades much be reported to the clearinghouses so that all investors could get a full view of the market activity.

Lack of information about derivatives raised grave concerns last fall as the crisis threatened to topple the financial system. Because regulators did not know precisely how many firms and investors were trading derivatives, officials struggled to understand how the crisis was spreading.

In the late 1990s, some government officials proposed regulating this market. But top economic officials inside the Clinton Administration were concerned about undermining financial innovations and rejected the suggestion.

The market for derivatives has since ballooned in the tens of trillions of dollars, outpacing the growth of the traditional stock and bond markets.

Suspicious have grown about whether traders have been able to use derivatives to manipulate the market. While the SEC has oversight over most kinds of securities and the CFTC has oversight over most kinds of commodities, many derivatives have escaped regulatory scrutiny.

Several companies have already received approval from regulators to set up clearinghouses. The derivatives industry, aware of looming regulation, has been pushing derivatives firms to move their contracts onto clearinghouse platforms.

Some analysts recently have been warn of loopholes in the administration's plan, which officials have hinted at in recent months. The proposal would allow a limited number of highly specialized derivatives to trade without going through a clearinghouse. Some analysts warn that this exception might lead derivatives traders to create increasingly complex derivatives to avoid regulation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051302393_pf.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2009, 06:12:00 PM
That's kind of like closing the barn door after you earlier happily opened it, encouraged the cows to leave, gave them liquor and flamethrowers and pointed them towards town... but I guess late is better than never.  Now if we could only publicly kill Larry Summers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 06:58:24 PM
if they tax my fucking soda, one of the relatively cheap little joys i have left in this world which isn't already taxed to the point of ridiculousness, i will go full-blown anarchist and start actively participating in the destruction of government

tax my cigarettes, fine, whatever, you're lying about where the money goes and it's a sneaky tax on the poor but whatever

tax my liquor, fine, same deal as the cigarette tax but whatever

you tax my fucking diet sun drop and you become my mortal enemy, black jesus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2009, 07:04:22 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 06:58:24 PM
if they tax my fucking soda, one of the relatively cheap little joys i have left in this world which isn't already taxed to the point of ridiculousness, i will go full-blown anarchist


Admit it: this is just a ruse to get close to my Flannel Girl.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 07:04:54 PM
does she have a stock of black market soda
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2009, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 06:58:24 PM
if they tax my fucking soda, one of the relatively cheap little joys i have left in this world which isn't already taxed to the point of ridiculousness, i will go full-blown anarchist and start actively participating in the destruction of government

Now you're starting to act like a REAL Amurrican patriot, Eel. Just like all the others on the reasonable right.   :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 07:41:02 PM
i don't give a fuck about being a patriot, and i don't give a fuck about the right or the left, they can kill each other and eat the corpses as far as i am concerned

just leave my goddamned diet soda the fuck alone

you want to see smug progressive hipster douche heads spin and a bunch of spluttering bububububu, let them drop a coffee tax
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2009, 07:47:10 PM
For the record I was just messing around.  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 07:49:46 PM
i know, just stating my politics* for the record







*the "Keep Your Fucking Hands Off My Few Joys In Life" Party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2009, 08:54:56 PM
/me is all in favor of a soda tax
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 08:55:47 PM
i will steal your flannel girl and use her to destroy you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2009, 09:15:30 PM
You'd have to steal her from her boyfriend first.  :-\

I'd actually rather the government end sugar subsidies and directly tax high-fructose corn syrup. But I have no problem with a soda-tax.

Governments use tax policies to modify peoples' conduct all the time, to either encourage behavior--like going to school, having children, saving for retirement--or discourage behavior—like drinking or smoking. There's no reason why soda should escape such policies.

And the fact is that soda, and other sugary products, have negative externalities. Is it not fair that the cost of those negative externalities should be shouldered by soda drinkers, and not society in general?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 09:29:44 PM
because they only have negative externalities when they are abused, and are harmless (even beneficial) in moderation

i will actively fight against such bullshit microtaxation

i don't need the fucking government to be my babysitter, especially since they tend to mismanage or outright abuse any iota of extra power granted them by the public they allegedly serve

and don't fool yourself into thinking it's because they want to modify your behavior for your own benefit - it's simply because they want the money

like the tobacco tax, i'd be willing to bet less than 10% of any soda or sugar tax revenue would actually reach any program it would be earmarked towards


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i propose a 100000% tax increase on products bearing the likenesses of the beatles, due to the negative externalities of being exposed to the beatles
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 13, 2009, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 09:29:44 PM
because they only have negative externalities when they are abused, and are harmless (even beneficial) in moderation

Heavy consumption is a reality, and thus the negative externalities--increased rates of obesity and diabetes--are also realities.  A targeted tax on only those who abuse the products is not possible. Occasional consumers of the products might be unfairly hit, but isn't it unfair for society as a whole to pick up the tab for these costs. It's similar to how casual drinkers have to pay higher taxes for booze, even if their consumption is actually healthy.

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 09:29:44 PM
i don't need the fucking government to be my babysitter, especially since they tend to mismanage or outright abuse any iota of extra power granted them by the public they allegedly serve

People do react to incentives and disincentives, even if you don't.
The government is not getting an extra power; they already have the power to create new excise taxes.

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on May 13, 2009, 09:29:44 PM
and don't fool yourself into thinking it's because they want to modify your behavior for your own benefit - it's simply because they want the money

like the tobacco tax, i'd be willing to bet less than 10% of any soda or sugar tax revenue would actually reach any program it would be earmarked towards

Considering future medical costs in America, the government has plenty of reason to use the revenues for health care.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 13, 2009, 10:21:42 PM
Quote
The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 13, 2009, 10:24:10 PM
THE LAST
EIGHT YEARS
DID NOT HAPPEN
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 13, 2009, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 13, 2009, 10:21:42 PM
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The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html)

When you voted for Bush I think that negates you from criticizing these type of things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2009, 10:47:44 PM
just join us in bashing pelosi's backpeddling, sd
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 13, 2009, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 13, 2009, 10:21:42 PM
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The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html)

When you voted for Bush I think that negates you from criticizing these type of things.

what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 13, 2009, 11:32:12 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 13, 2009, 10:46:15 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 13, 2009, 10:21:42 PM
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The Obama administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on U.S. soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124223286506515765.html)

When you voted for Bush I think that negates you from criticizing these type of things.

Who's criticizing? I just want to see you spin it. That's all. Do I need to bust out the hopenchange bus?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 14, 2009, 12:23:35 AM
I am not spinning anything. I am on Obama's side about not releasing the photos though. I was always iffy about that. All it would do is cause more problems in the middle east. His call on that was right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2009, 12:32:31 AM
So let me get this straight- you just want to criticize Obama without offering any alternatives on tough issues?

Tell me sd, have you ever considered running for congress as a republican?  Cause you meet the only qualification.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 14, 2009, 12:53:23 AM
Again, I'm not criticizing. Merely lolzing at the hopenchangers who are now probably on suicide watch.

If anything he's giving more credibility to the Bush way of doing certain things.
Title: You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby...
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2009, 01:03:59 AM
Is Obama validating Bush's policies by continuing them (betraying his supporters in the process), or is he putting the nation at grave risk through his reckless and precipitous departures from Bush's policies?

I'm so confused.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 14, 2009, 01:42:42 PM
just chiming in to add my support for the beatles tax

and fuck obama: i want those pictures for my "best of the usa" beat-off collection
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 14, 2009, 02:04:40 PM
impressive.

The great shaming of Parliament

May 14th 2009
From The Economist print edition
It has taken an almighty crisis for MPs to start cleaning up their act

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13649500

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POLITICIANS who were dreading the day when their exploitation of Parliament’s lax expenses regime would be exposed may have consoled themselves that at least it would all be over in one go. Hundreds of thousands of mortifying pages detailing their claims since 2004 were scheduled for official publication this summer, despite the tenacious resistance of parliamentary authorities in the courts.

In the end, though, the revelations came in agonising stages. The Daily Telegraph obtained the leaked data and, on May 8th, began to publish it. The first to be exposed were ministers. Another batch of Labour politicians followed before the spotlight shone on front- and backbenchers of the Conservative Party. By the time the Liberal Democrats’ turn came round on May 13th, Parliament was on its knees.

The purchases dubiously claimed by MPs ranged from dog food and toilet brushes to thousands of pounds’ worth of home improvements. Much of the nest-feathering took place under the so-called second-homes allowance, worth up to £24,000 ($36,000) a year to MPs who require accommodation in both London and their constituencies. Some “flipped” the designation of their first and second homes in order to be reimbursed for work done on both. A few profited by sprucing up a second home on expenses before reclassifying it as their main residence to avoid capital-gains tax when they sold it.

The reaction of politicians to the great exposure has only slowly and fitfully begun to match public outrage. Gordon Brown apologised for the entire political class on May 11th. David Cameron, the Tory leader, and the Lib Dems’ Nick Clegg followed suit, declaring that colleagues would pay back unjustified claims. Andrew MacKay, Mr Cameron’s parliamentary aide, has resigned over claims his party deemed “unacceptable”; some MPs are returning money; pressure on Michael Martin, accused of an indulgent line on expenses as speaker of the House of Commons, is growing; and reform of the system is now inevitable. An inquiry by the independent Committee on Standards in Public Life, launched after previous scandals, is due to report this year.

But all this came after days of mealy-mouthed denial and obfuscation. Some MPs blamed the media (the Telegraph is said to have paid for what could be regarded as stolen information). Others insisted the controversial claims were technically within the rules, as if those rules were not made by Parliament itself, and as if their spirit did not matter as much as their letter.

Voters, forced by recession to live more leanly, are irate. A Populus poll conducted as the Labour and Tory revelations were being published showed the two parties down by four percentage points each, while the Lib Dems, yet to be exposed, were up by four. And 86% of respondents thought all the parties equally bad on expenses. Britain’s anti-politics mood did not need the boost that the expenses scandal has given it. In April a YouGov poll showed that a third of voters trusted no politician to tell the truth (Mr Brown and Mr Cameron were trusted by only 12% and 21%, respectively, of respondents).

Yet the perverse result of all parties being tainted may be that no party really is. The incumbents are culpable for letting a bad system fester for so long, and Mr Cameron produced a better and bolder response than Mr Brown. But the spectacle of wealthy grandees having their country homes renovated at taxpayers’ expense has done the Tory brand no favours. And the Lib Dems cannot afford to lose their unique selling point as Westminster’s nice guys. Labour, one of whose MPs is responsible for what is perhaps the gravest offence (Elliot Morley claimed £16,000 for a mortgage he had already paid and was suspended from the Parliamentary Labour Party on May 14th), looks the worst, by a bit. But just as the sleaze that racked the last Tory government only amplified the defeat they were already due to suffer in 1997, so this scandal only reinforces the likely outcome of the next election: a loss for Labour, and grudging approval for the Tories.

Amid the din of recrimination, some MPs’ plaintive wails deserve to be heard. British politicians are neither corrupt nor lavishly remunerated by international standards. The revelations were less shocking than many observers expected. Some MPs have shown Cromwellian rectitude; the cynic’s mantra that they are all bad is nonsense. And while much of Britain’s anti-political mood is a justified response to a scandal for which MPs must do penance, some reflects a basic nihilism they can do little about. A popular television satire, “The Thick of It” (and its recent film adaptation, “In the Loop”, with its prescient gag about a politician expensing porn films), is funny viewing but its central conceit that everyone in politics is stupid and malign is all too widely held.

The expenses scandal was born of two traits often found in British public life: a preference for “muddling through” over rational design, and a reluctance to ditch a flawed system until it falls apart in a crisis. As MPs’ earnings fell over time behind those of bankers and family doctors, and as their role changed to include constituency work better done by local councillors, they could have debated, openly and from first principles, the issue of pay and expenses. But rather than risk honest analysis of what MPs are for and what they are worth, they improvised a solution by treating expenses as a way of topping up their income. And instead of abandoning this approach when its flaws came to light—mini-sleaze stories have abounded in recent years—they procrastinated until a crushing torrent of revelations pushed them into action. The failure to act sooner will damage their reputations for years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2009, 03:30:11 PM
Yeah, I've read about that.  I think even with all they squeezed from the expense accounts, the average MP makes about £100k/year which is high but not ridiculous.  It's an important job.

They could have probably voted themselves a raise a few years ago when the economy was good and sparked a lot less outrage.  I think it's the sneakiness and willingness to bend the rules which has really irritated people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 14, 2009, 08:15:38 PM
Roubini is a fantastic economist. But, he kinda fell from favor for me because of him not being fully honest about the Summers/Geithner financial link to RGE Monitor. He definately hasn't been as critical of some of their policies as Krugman and others.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
OH JESUS H CHRIST RON PAUL NAMED ONE OF HIS SONS RAND

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2009, 10:43:18 PM
 :drudge RAND PAUL FORMS EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE TO RUN FOR KY SENATE IN 2010 :drudge

KY could conceivably get a crazier Senator than Jim Bunning.  Awesome!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 12:18:29 AM
 :lol

I love it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 15, 2009, 04:41:35 AM
Quote from: Borys on May 15, 2009, 04:28:26 AM
:lol @ GRAND PAUL

...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2009, 05:38:51 AM
where's the funny?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on May 15, 2009, 10:01:46 AM
[youtube=560,345]vJHKtLnT0Ak[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 15, 2009, 10:03:17 AM
Ugh, really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 15, 2009, 10:03:37 AM
 :cookiem :cookiem :cookiem :cookiem :cookiem :cookiem :cookiem
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
Garbage as usual
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 15, 2009, 10:15:15 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 15, 2009, 10:13:55 AM
Garbage as usual

 ;) :)
Title: Oh, you were serious? So sorry.
Post by: Mandark on May 15, 2009, 06:37:18 PM
I didn't notice who posted that video and assumed it was someone getting lulz at the expense of an awful conservatarian attempt at humor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2009, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on May 15, 2009, 10:01:46 AM
[youtube=560,345]vJHKtLnT0Ak[/youtube]

Would have been better with Morgan Freeman narrating
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 08:40:14 PM
Over/Under on Pelosi losing her house speaker position?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2009, 08:56:39 PM
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In an interview with ABC News, Newt Gingrich denounced House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the harshest of ways on her claims the Bush administration lied to her about their use of interrogation tactics.

Said Gingrich: "I think she has lied to the House, and I think that the House has an absolute obligation to open an inquiry, and I hope there will be a resolution to investigate her. And I think this is a big deal. I don't think the Speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters."

He added: "I think this is the most despicable, dishonest and vicious political effort I've seen in my lifetime."

More: "She is a trivial politician, viciously using partisanship for the narrowist of purposes, and she dishonors the Congress by her behavior."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/05/15/gingrich_rips_pelosi.html

Heh, he might as well be describing himself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
Huntsman resigned to become ambassador to China.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 08:40:14 PM
Over/Under on Pelosi losing her house speaker position?

not gonna happen, this is a week long story at most.  you'll have something else to fake being outraged about next week, obama's good like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 16, 2009, 01:08:35 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
Huntsman resigned to become ambassador to China.
Genius. David Axelrod said he was the only Republican that he feared in 2012 and they took him out by giving him one of the most important ambassadorships in the Obama Administration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on May 16, 2009, 02:25:41 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
Huntsman resigned to become ambassador to China.

I found it mind-boggling that a Republican governor with 80% approval in his state couldn't get his judicial appointments through the state Senate. Ambassador to China > dealing with manchildren state legislators.

Huntsman would have an uphill battle in a Presdiential primary. Shaky fundie bona fides due to the civil union stuff + mormonic eruption in the Bible Belt would pretty much have him doing worse than Mittens.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 16, 2009, 03:48:03 AM
Keyes, priest arrested at Notre Dame protest

By TOM COYNE – 8 hours ago

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) — Former Republican presidential hopeful Alan Keyes, a Roman Catholic priest and 19 others were arrested Friday after marching onto the University of Notre Dame campus to protest President Barack Obama's planned commencement speech.

The arrests marked the third straight Friday that protesters have been detained. They are angry about the school's decision to give Obama, who supports abortion rights and embryonic stem-cell research, an honorary degree and have him speak at Sunday's commencement.

"Notre Dame is arresting a priest," the Rev. Norman Weslin, founder of the Lambs of Christ abortion protest group, said as Notre Dame security personnel put plastic restraints on his wrists Friday. "Why are you arresting a priest for trying to stop the killing of a baby? You've got it all backward."

Weslin, 78, who has been arrested dozens of times at abortion clinic blockades, was carried off on a stretcher. He and two others were charged with resisting law enforcement.

All 21 arrested were charged with trespassing. Keyes and five others were ordered held in the St. Joseph County Jail until Monday because it was their second time being arrested on a charge of trespassing at Notre Dame, said Sgt. Bill Redman, St. Joseph County Police Department spokesman. Bond was set at $250 for the others.

None of those arrested were students.

On May 1, anti-abortion activist Randall Terry and another man were arrested on campus while pushing strollers containing dolls covered in fake blood. On May 8, Keyes and 21 others, many of them pushing strollers containing dolls covered in fake blood, were arrested.

On Friday, there were no strollers or bloody dolls, but some of the protesters carried signs that read: "Defend her honor, rise and strike for the unborn."

About 35 people, many of them carrying anti-abortion signs, were standing on the four corners outside the school's front gate shortly before noon when a group of about 40 people led by Keyes and Terry marched up. They stopped briefly to say some prayers and to listen to Keyes, who lost to Obama in the Illinois Senate election in 2004.

"It is not consistent with God's love to honor those who have rejected that great gift of love in principle," Keyes said.

After speaking, Keyes then led a smaller group onto campus. They made it about 100 yards on campus before they were stopped by campus security. Keyes was taken into custody immediately, and the others were told to leave or they would be arrested.

Terry did not go onto campus, saying did not want to get arrested because he needs to remain free to lead more protests Saturday and Sunday.

"The reality is that if I get hung up in jail, I'm the only guy on the outside who knows how to keep this thing moving. It's strictly a leadership issue," he said.

St. Joseph Superior Court Judge Michael Scopelitis issued an order Thursday changing how bond is set for a person charged with a crime while already out on bond on a pending charge. Previously, such a person could have been released under a presumptive bond schedule. Now they must await a probable cause hearing, Scopelitis said.

... ugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2009, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on May 16, 2009, 02:25:41 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 15, 2009, 11:51:32 PM
Huntsman resigned to become ambassador to China.

I found it mind-boggling that a Republican governor with 80% approval in his state couldn't get his judicial appointments through the state Senate. Ambassador to China > dealing with manchildren state legislators.

Huntsman would have an uphill battle in a Presdiential primary. Shaky fundie bona fides due to the civil union stuff + mormonic eruption in the Bible Belt would pretty much have him doing worse than Mittens.




He wouldn't come close to winning; the whole "he could challenge Obama!" thing sounds like a smokescreen. He'd get crushed in Iowa and SC. And if he won the nom how would a pro-gay, anti-family, social liburl get the south to come out of the house? Obama could pick up Georgia or some shit

and oh yea, he's mormon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 16, 2009, 03:05:20 PM
Agreed. The idea he had a shot mainly stems from Axelrod's comment anyway.

He showed up as sixth in a GOP insider poll released yesterday. Jindal was first and Haley Barbour was second.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2009, 03:15:57 PM
The only reason people were saying Huntsman might have a chance is that he might... in the general, and only if the wingnuts hadn't all decided to stay home or vote for the Constitution Party candidate.  He'll never get the nomination in today's psycho rump remnant of the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 16, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
He deserves some credit his social views aren't due to having to moderate to win in his state. He is from fucking UTAH. He could be a kkk'er and probably still have won out there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2009, 04:33:20 AM
also

Quote
"Keep your friends close and your enemies in China."

-- GOP strategist Mark McKinnon, quoted by Politico, on the appointment of Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) to be ambassador to China.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4174143

wait, what the hell?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 18, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2009, 02:00:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4174143

wait, what the hell?  :lol

Quote
"If you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win the Super Bowl," he told Pittsburgh's WTAE-TV. "So as far as I'm concerned he would have invited Arizona if they had won."

  :rofl:duh :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Rman on May 18, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
What in the world at the ESPN article? 

Do you guys remember the last NFL player of note to decline a White House Superbowl Champion invite?  Good old Mark Chumura.  The rest was LOLworthy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 18, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/WEBB18_20090517-193406/268339/ (http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/WEBB18_20090517-193406/268339/)

Nutroots officially on suicide watch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2009, 08:46:58 PM
Mmm hmm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 18, 2009, 09:37:23 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 18, 2009, 08:33:19 PM
http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/WEBB18_20090517-193406/268339/ (http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/state_regional/state_regional_govtpolitics/article/WEBB18_20090517-193406/268339/)

Nutroots officially on suicide watch.
why do you keep assuming you know how the the liberals think? None of them are going to vote for your boy Mitt in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 19, 2009, 08:19:25 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 18, 2009, 09:37:23 PM
why do you keep assuming you know how the the liberals think?

Irony meter broken.



Anywho:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090519/ap_on_go_co/us_congress_guantanamo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090519/ap_on_go_co/us_congress_guantanamo)

roffles



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2009, 11:54:23 PM
psst... don't look now, but ta's hero NEWT is gonna be on tonight's daily show.  i bet at some point tomorrow pee dee will say he thinks stewart is smug so as to appear BI-PARTISAN.  or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2009, 11:57:59 PM
 :lol
Title: Makes Sitting Bull look like a cross country racer
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2009, 12:14:07 AM
I hope Newt tells us what the greater threat is:  electromagnetic pulses, or gay fascism.

Also, whether cap'n'trade is a triumph of free-market attitudes, entrepreneurship, and technology (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/interviews/gingrich.html) or whether it's a command-and-control, anti-energy, big-bureaucracy agenda (http://newt.org/NewtNewsandOpinionDB/tabid/102/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4169/Default.aspx) that will devastate the economy.

Or heck, just explains this whole breakdown of traditional marriage (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/aprilweb-only/115-53.0.html?start=2) stuff.  I bet he's got some insight to that.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
You know, the only way this can end for Dick Cheney is for him to show up on South Park in hell as Satan's new lover, rubbing his nipples and wanting to torture a piggy.  I can see it now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 21, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Quote
President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1)

The double speak from this man is fucking astounding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2009, 08:06:59 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 21, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Quote
President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1)

The double speak from this man is fucking astounding.

Indeed, it's almost like he's... a politician.  Although your concern for the civil liberties of detainees is touching.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 21, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Quote
President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1)

The double speak from this man is fucking astounding.

Double speak?  Get over yourself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
That is fucked up though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on May 21, 2009, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 21, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
That is fucked up though.

I think this would be limited to some detainees at Guantanamo. These detainees cannot be prosecuted because their cases have been seriously compromised by the coercive interrogation methods of the Bush administration, creating a dilemma for the Obama administration: detain the suspects without trial indefinitely or let them go. Neither option is a political winner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
Yeah it sounds like a no-win situation.  Let somebody dangerous go or risk somebody innocent in the future being indefinitely incarcerated.
Title: Fruit of the poisonous tree! *L&O dun-dun sound effect*
Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2009, 01:27:42 AM
Quote from: Malek on May 21, 2009, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 21, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
That is fucked up though.

I think this would be limited to some detainees at Guantanamo. These detainees cannot be prosecuted because their cases have been seriously compromised by the coercive interrogation methods of the Bush administration, creating a dilemma for the Obama administration: detain the suspects without trial indefinitely or let them go. Neither option is a political winner.

Or you can try some fancy-pants lawyering to get the torture-derived evidence admitted in court, but that would set a horrible precedent by removing one of the most effective remedies to prevent torture.

Or you can set up a new process outside the current judicial system to evaluate these cases.  That seems like the least worst option at this point, if it were very explicitly temporary.  It's a shit situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/22/rnc-uses-controversial-daisy-ad-to-target-obama/


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 22, 2009, 12:45:38 PM
BUAHAHAHAHA

Quote
Stormy Daniels Forms Exploratory Committee To Run Against Vitter In 2010
By Eric Kleefeld - May 21, 2009, 1:58PM
Adult film actress Stormy Daniels has officially announced that she has formed an exploratory committee for the 2010 Senate race, in which she is widely expected to run in the Republican primary against Sen. David Vitter -- the Christian right conservative whose career became mired in the D.C. Madam prostitution scandal of 2007.

"I do not take this step lightly," Daniels said in a statement. "While I have been humbled by the overwhelmingly positive response my potential candidacy has generated thus far, my decision to run for United States Senate will only be made after I have had the opportunity to discuss this prospect with as many people across the state as possible. Too many in government ignore the voices of those whom they claim to represent. I promise you that I will not."

If she does run, Daniels' campaign would be widely viewed as an effort to remind the state's conservative voters about Vitter's own indiscretions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2009, 11:17:15 AM
:drudge OBAMA PICKS HYPER ACTIVIST LATINA WOMAN AS SC JUSTICE; SD FOUND PARALYZED WITH FEAR; FILM AT 11 :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 26, 2009, 11:41:47 AM
republicans should have nothing to fear, because she's latino, this means that she's lazy, right?  hard to do much activisting hanging out at the home depot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on May 26, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
si senor!

Supreme Court? More like Extreme Court. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on May 26, 2009, 01:23:13 PM
let's just get this out of the way and get the birth certificate now, btw.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 01:25:01 PM
:drudge :drudge :drudge
“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor, who is now considered to be near the top of President Obama’s list of potential Supreme Court nominees.
:drudge :drudge :drudge
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html?_r=1

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 26, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
This is going to be a clusterfuck, isn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on May 26, 2009, 01:30:57 PM
wise latina woman with the richness of her experiences? fuck that sound like some awful ethnic barbara kingsolver novel. shit/bin indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 26, 2009, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 26, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
This is going to be a clusterfuck, isn't it?

god yes.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 01:32:55 PM
Quote
Mike Huckabee comes out hard against the Sonia Sotomayor appointment, with a bit of a misfire as concerns her name:

    The appointment of Maria Sotomayor for the Supreme Court is the clearest indication yet that President Obama's campaign promises to be a centrist and think in a bipartisan way were mere rhetoric. Sotomayor comes from the far left and will likely leave us with something akin to the "Extreme Court" that could mark a major shift. The notion that appellate court decisions are to be interpreted by the "feelings" of the judge is a direct affront of the basic premise of our judicial system that is supposed to apply the law without personal emotion. If she is confirmed, then we need to take the blindfold off Lady Justice.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Huck_comes_out_firing__at_Maria_Sotomayor.html?showall

so she won't steal it, and use it as a headband!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 26, 2009, 01:49:54 PM
Opposing a candidate who happens to be hispanic isn't inherently rascist of course, but I can't wait to hear the rhetoric out of some corners (and the GOP is almost all corners these days) that's gonna further demographicaly drive the nail into the coffin for the GOP for the forseeable future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 26, 2009, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 01:32:55 PM
Quote
Mike Huckabee comes out hard against the Sonia Sotomayor appointment, with a bit of a misfire as concerns her name:

    The appointment of Maria Sotomayor for the Supreme Court is the clearest indication yet that President Obama's campaign promises to be a centrist and think in a bipartisan way were mere rhetoric. Sotomayor comes from the far left and will likely leave us with something akin to the "Extreme Court" that could mark a major shift. The notion that appellate court decisions are to be interpreted by the "feelings" of the judge is a direct affront of the basic premise of our judicial system that is supposed to apply the law without personal emotion. If she is confirmed, then we need to take the blindfold off Lady Justice.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0509/Huck_comes_out_firing__at_Maria_Sotomayor.html?showall

so she won't steal it, and use it as a headband!

i would love to be a right wing spokesperson/speechwriter.  all you'd have to do is just dust off the same canards and re-run them.  make some bank and go home
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 02:09:30 PM
I hoping for some "black vs brown" conquer and divide rhetoric, maybe from Steel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
and here we go!

Quote
Does the nominee still have Diabetes? Could the Messiah heal her, or does she just not want to ask? What is protocal on miracle healings?
http://twitter.com/glennbeck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 26, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/29vnw9j.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 26, 2009, 02:52:22 PM
As a diabetic myself (and it sounds like she caught it in childhood while I was in my late teens) her longevity and health are somewhat a concern. Having the disease for 40-50 years and living is itself a good run, I'd be surprised if she's kicking around for a few decades (especially when alot of those years were probably spent when treatment was less than optimal)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
Quote
So, here you have a racist. You might want to soften that and you might wanna say a reverse racist. And the libs, of course, say that minorities cannot be racists because they don't have the power to implement their racism. Well, those days are gone because reverse racists certainly do have the power to implement their power. Obama is the greatest living example of a reverse racist and now he's appointed one -- getting this, AP? -- Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court ...

So she's not the brain that they're portraying her to be, she's not a constitutional jurist. She is an affirmative action case extraordinaire and she has put down white men in favor of Latina women. She has claimed that the court is all about making policy. So yes, there's a golden opportunity. Take this to the mat. Take it to the wall. The people need to know what Obama really believes in and this is how it could happen. Now will the Republicans do it? That's another question.
http://thepage.time.com/rush-limbaugh-on-sonia-sotomayor-nomination/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2009, 06:13:52 PM
http://thepage.time.com/rush-limbaugh-on-sonia-sotomayor-nomination/

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
why are we still hearing the "out of the mainstream/American values" line of attack in 2009? Most Americans are pro-choice and support for gay marriage is growing at a crazy rate. I haven't read everything about her positions yet but seriously, which one is uber radical?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2009, 06:15:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
why are we still hearing the "out of the mainstream/American values" line of attack in 2009? Most Americans are pro-choice and support for gay marriage is growing at a crazy rate. I haven't read everything about her positions yet but seriously, which one is uber radical?

the one where she's not a strict constructionist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 26, 2009, 07:15:35 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 26, 2009, 06:15:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
why are we still hearing the "out of the mainstream/American values" line of attack in 2009? Most Americans are pro-choice and support for gay marriage is growing at a crazy rate. I haven't read everything about her positions yet but seriously, which one is uber radical?

the one where she's not a strict constructionist

I loved the Bush interview where he claimed that's what he'd appoint. He might as well have been saying he'd appoint non-doodooheads for all the understanding he had.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 26, 2009, 07:16:47 PM
And she was originally appointed by George H.W. Bush
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 26, 2009, 07:18:57 PM
That quote from Sotomayor makes me  :-\

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
why are we still hearing the "out of the mainstream/American values" line of attack in 2009? Most Americans are pro-choice and support for gay marriage is growing at a crazy rate. I haven't read everything about her positions yet but seriously, which one is uber radical?

It is nothing more than a stock answer.  See also: Most Liberal Member of the House and/or Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 26, 2009, 07:20:32 PM
my god she may also be CATHOLIC putting 6 Papists in the court!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 26, 2009, 08:16:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 06:14:08 PM
why are we still hearing the "out of the mainstream/American values" line of attack in 2009? Most Americans are pro-choice and support for gay marriage is growing at a crazy rate. I haven't read everything about her positions yet but seriously, which one is uber radical?

she's a latino woman, so she's obviously an affirmative action pick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 26, 2009, 08:50:28 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 26, 2009, 11:17:15 AM
:drudge OBAMA PICKS HYPER ACTIVIST LATINA WOMAN AS SC JUSTICE; SD FOUND PARALYZED WITH FEAR; FILM AT 11 :drudge

 :lol

I honestly could give two shits. To the victors go the spoils. This is one of the spoils.

This TNR article that paints her as domineering and intectually shallow though:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=45d56e6f-f497-4b19-9c63-04e10199a085 (http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=45d56e6f-f497-4b19-9c63-04e10199a085)

The only thing I've heard that's pretty interesting is that 5 of the 6 appealed cases of her's that were sent to the SC were overturned. That seems to support the assertions in the TNR article. The REPs would be wise to issue token resistance only where its necessary and then vote overwhelmingly for her in the end. She isn't a game changer by any stretch.

*yawns*


The real news of the day is the movement in the 10 year treasuries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 09:04:07 PM
that article is meh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 26, 2009, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 02:12:35 PM
and here we go!

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Does the nominee still have Diabetes? Could the Messiah heal her, or does she just not want to ask? What is protocal on miracle healings?
http://twitter.com/glennbeck

I wonder how Glen is going act when his messiah doesn't take him back when 'he' returns?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 26, 2009, 10:09:52 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2648700220090526 (http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2648700220090526)

WOW  :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 11:12:39 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22984.html

Another "right/GOP/conservatives/etc divided on how to attack Messican chick" article. Sounds like they're kinda disappointed she's not the fire breathing, anti-religion, abortion gift tokens, border jumping liberal they expected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 12:05:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2009, 09:04:07 PM
that article is meh

More than meh, it's dishonestly reported.  Rosen took this:

Quote from: NY Times
"She's tough and tenacious as well as smart," said Justice Jose A. Cabranes of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, a mentor and former professor of Sotomayor's at Yale Law School. "She is not intimidated or overwhelmed by the eminence or power or prestige of any party, or indeed of the media."

And used it like this:

Quote from: Even the liberal New Republic
The most consistent concern was that Sotomayor, although an able lawyer, was "not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench," as one former Second Circuit clerk for another judge put it. "She has an inflated opinion of herself, and is domineering during oral arguments, but her questions aren't penetrating and don't get to the heart of the issue." (During one argument, an elderly judicial colleague is said to have leaned over and said, "Will you please stop talking and let them talk?") Second Circuit judge Jose Cabranes, who would later become her colleague, put this point more charitably in a 1995 interview with The New York Times: "She is not intimidated or overwhelmed by the eminence or power or prestige of any party, or indeed of the media."

He basically took a quote explicitly saying "She's smart" and presented it as someone sugarcoating the fact that she's not smart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 12:08:05 AM
Hmm, maybe this is just a conspiracy to get conservatives to read TNR
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 12:16:52 AM
TNR's existence since at least the Michael Kinsley days is plausibly a conspiracy to get conservative readers.

Rosen tends to assume that female and non-white judges are unqualified (he wrote an article on how Clinton nominees just weren't smart enough to keep up with all those Federalist Society members).  Also, his brother-in-law would probably have gotten promoted in one of Sotomayor's rivals got the job.

Putting aside his motives, it's a really shoddy article that's going to be brought up AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN during the confirmation debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on May 27, 2009, 02:00:42 AM
The idea she isn't smart is hilarious. She was at the top of her class in the top law school in the country. You don't do that without being fucking smart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 04:11:29 AM
Unless you're a woman. I guess her professors gave her good grades out of sympathy/racial quotas
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on May 27, 2009, 04:42:48 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 27, 2009, 02:00:42 AM
The idea she isn't smart is hilarious. She was at the top of her class in the top law school in the country. You don't do that without being fucking smart.

all people in power who aren't white christian males are only there by affirmative action
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2009, 05:00:32 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 27, 2009, 02:00:42 AM
The idea she isn't smart is hilarious. She was at the top of her class in the top law school in the country. You don't do that without being fucking smart.

Didn't Bush go to Yale? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:02:40 AM
Quote from: Senator James Inhofe
In the months ahead, it will be important for those of us in the U.S. Senate to weigh her qualifications and character as well as her ability to rule fairly without undue influence from her own personal race, gender, or political preferences.

Damn estrogen and melanin getting in the way of higher brain functions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 27, 2009, 05:07:15 AM
sotomayor is the REAL RAISES (http://www.tarstarkas.net/blog/2009/05/26/wingnut-web-sotomayor-is-the-real-raises-edition/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 05:35:08 AM
(http://www.tarstarkas.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sotomeyer21.jpg)

oh shit, I'll be thinking about this next time I have a dental appointment with my dad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:55:45 AM
He has a point.  I mean, just how did Dr. Dre get that degree?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on May 27, 2009, 06:00:25 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:55:45 AM
He has a point.  I mean, just how did Dr. Dre get that degree?

 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 27, 2009, 08:41:44 AM
I agree that its dumb to think she isn't smart. But, this is what I believe is the heart of the article:

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Her opinions, although competent, are viewed by former prosecutors as not especially clean or tight, and sometimes miss the forest for the trees. It's customary, for example, for Second Circuit judges to circulate their draft opinions to invite a robust exchange of views. Sotomayor, several former clerks complained, rankled her colleagues by sending long memos that didn't distinguish between substantive and trivial points, with petty editing suggestions--fixing typos and the like--rather than focusing on the core analytical issues.


Sloppy and depthless are probably better adjectives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 27, 2009, 09:20:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:55:45 AM
He has a point.  I mean, just how did Dr. Dre get that degree?

he cheated off of ed lover's papers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 09:20:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 27, 2009, 05:00:32 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on May 27, 2009, 02:00:42 AM
The idea she isn't smart is hilarious. She was at the top of her class in the top law school in the country. You don't do that without being fucking smart.

Didn't Bush go to Yale? :smug

Where he was a C student.  Homegirl graduated Summa Cum Laude from Princeton and was an editor of the Yale Law Review.  I've seen people trying to compare her to Harriet Miers, which is just laughable.  Let's do some quick comparisons:

Sotomayor:  graduated Summa Cum Laude from Princeton.  Miers:  graduated from SMU, no honors.
Sotomayor:  Yale Law Review.  Miers:  SMU law school, no such distinction.
Sotomayor:  Assistant DA.  Miers:  no criminal law experience.
Sotomayor:  6 years as Federal District Court Judge.  Miers:  No judicial experience.
Sotomayor:  10 years on 2nd District Court of Appeals.  Miers:  No judicial experience.

I wouldn't be against appointing a lawyer with no experience as a judge to the SC, but trying to appoint a lawyer of such low distinction was truly, truly laughable.  So it was completely in character for our C student President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 09:52:39 AM
Obama had the same charge of "lacking depth" leveled at him during the campaign.  As with Sotomayor, the people making the accusations are almost exclusively people with no actual policy/legal expertise.

From Adam Liptak, actual lawyer:

"Judge Sonia Sotomayor’s judicial opinions are marked by diligence, depth and unflashy competence. If they are not always a pleasure to read, they are usually models of modern judicial craftsmanship, which prizes careful attention to the facts in the record and a methodical application of layers of legal principles."

Sounds good.  So long as she can keep her vagina from unduly influencing her votes, of course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 10:03:01 AM
The criticism on the left is kind of funny, too.  They're pissed that A) she's not liberal enough, B) she's not some sort of super duper intellectual that will "counter-balance" Scalia, or some such crap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 10:10:06 AM
I always imagine him as Wile E. Coyote, introducing himself to people as "Justice Scalia, Super-Genius".  He and Newt should get together and form a club for self-proclaimed philosopher kings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
Which one of you guys inspired Mike Judge's new TV show?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574180442354457688.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574180442354457688.html)

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Director Mike Judge’s new animated television series “The Goode Family” is a send-up of a clan of environmentalists who live by the words “What would Al Gore do?” Gerald and Helen Goode want nothing more than to minimize their carbon footprint. They feed their dog, Che, only veggies (much to the pet’s dismay) and Mr. Goode dutifully separates sheets of toilet paper when his wife accidentally buys two-ply. And, of course, the family drives a hybrid


I can see Cheebs or even Triumph alone in their mothers basement (or N.C. trailer in triumphs case) desperately separating his toilet paper with visions of Al Gore gently entering him as his reward.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 27, 2009, 11:16:05 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:02:40 AM
Quote from: Senator James Inhofe
In the months ahead, it will be important for those of us in the U.S. Senate to weigh her qualifications and character as well as her ability to rule fairly without undue influence from her own personal race, gender, or political preferences.

Damn estrogen and melanin getting in the way of higher brain functions.

He has a point, we can only really trust white males who are genderless and raceless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 27, 2009, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 11:05:40 AM
Which one of you guys inspired Mike Judge's new TV show?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574180442354457688.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574180442354457688.html)

Quote
Director Mike Judge’s new animated television series “The Goode Family” is a send-up of a clan of environmentalists who live by the words “What would Al Gore do?” Gerald and Helen Goode want nothing more than to minimize their carbon footprint. They feed their dog, Che, only veggies (much to the pet’s dismay) and Mr. Goode dutifully separates sheets of toilet paper when his wife accidentally buys two-ply. And, of course, the family drives a hybrid


I can see Cheebs or even Triumph alone in their mothers basement (or N.C. trailer in triumphs case) desperately separating his toilet paper with visions of Al Gore gently entering him as his reward.  :lol


Legitimate question, since we know which of us inspired Idiocracy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 27, 2009, 12:02:06 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on May 27, 2009, 08:41:44 AM
Quote
rankled her colleagues by sending long memos that didn't distinguish between substantive and trivial points, with petty suggestions .... rather than focusing on the core analytical issues.


Sloppy and depthless are probably better adjectives.

Now who does that remind me of...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 27, 2009, 12:33:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:02:40 AM
Quote from: Senator James Inhofe
In the months ahead, it will be important for those of us in the U.S. Senate to weigh her qualifications and character as well as her ability to rule fairly without undue influence from her own personal race, gender, or political preferences.

Damn estrogen and melanin getting in the way of higher brain functions.

Don't forget the re-fried beans. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 27, 2009, 11:17:44 AM
Legitimate question, since we know which of us inspired Idiocracy

Who? The EBers who make a new buy thread every day? or the ones who laugh at every single dick joke someone posts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 27, 2009, 11:17:44 AM
Legitimate question, since we know which of us inspired Idiocracy

Who? The EBers who make a new buy thread every day? or the ones who laugh at every single dick joke someone posts?

or the one who had daddy pay his way in life rather than earning anything by the sweat of his own brow?  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 27, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
or the one who had daddy pay his way in life rather than earning anything by the sweat of his own brow?  :smug

Like I said cheebs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 27, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
or the one who had daddy pay his way in life rather than earning anything by the sweat of his own brow?  :smug

Like I said cheebs.

that's mommy.  i'm talking about a certain someone who had daddy pay for him to go to film school and breathes out of his mouth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
I would add you to the list too but I'm sure your mom didn't have to sleep with too many red necks to get you through Alvin community barber college.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
I would add you to the list too but I'm sure your mom didn't have to sleep with too many red necks to get you through Alvin community barber college.

No, unlike you, parasite, I took out loans to go to college which I then paid back by doing WORK.  Now that I'm going back this fall I will be paying for it all with money that I saved up by doing WORK.  The only help either of my parents ever gave me other than a little bit of cash on birthdays or Christmas was a car my dad helped me buy about ten years ago... that I paid him back in full for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 02:27:50 PM
Quote
Weekly Standard's Michael Goldfarb: "Obama seems to have the views of a 21-year-old Hispanic girl -- that is, only by having a black president, an Hispanic justice, a female secretary of State, and Bozo the Clown as vice president will the United States become a true 'vanguard of societal ideas and changes.'"

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 27, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
Quote from: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/critics-focus-on-sotomayor-speech-in-la-raza-journal-2009-05-27.html
Sotomayor also claimed: "For me, a very special part of my being Latina is the mucho platos de arroz, gandoles y pernir -- rice, beans and pork -- that I have eaten at countless family holidays and special events."
This has prompted some Republicans to muse privately about whether Sotomayor is suggesting that distinctive Puerto Rican cuisine such as patitas de cerdo con garbanzo -- pigs' tongue and ears -- would somehow, in some small way influence her verdicts from the bench.

Curt Levey, the executive director of the Committee for Justice, a conservative-leaning advocacy group, said he wasn't certain whether Sotomayor had claimed her palate would color her view of legal facts but he said that President Obama's Supreme Court nominee clearly touts her subjective approach to the law.

"It's pretty disturbing," said Levey. "It's one thing to say that occasionally a judge will despite his or her best efforts to be impartial ... allow occasional biases to cloud impartialit

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
What's all this nonsense about how the GOP will be careful opposing Sotomayor because of her gender and ethnicity, anyway?  If anything, her gender and ethnicity have provided them the blueprint for their opposition so far.

Remember when the GOP was going to go soft on Obama because they wouldn't want to look racist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 27, 2009, 04:31:22 PM
It's not even like they took a few swings and missed and their rhetoric degenerated in their frustration, they went straight to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 27, 2009, 04:43:44 PM
How much more predictable can the GOP be? They always do exactly the opposite of what they say they are going to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
Jim Henley predicts (http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/26/9377) "Sotomayor <3 Santeria" as an upcoming wingnut meme.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 27, 2009, 04:43:44 PM
How much more predictable can the GOP be? They always do exactly the opposite of what they say they are going to do.

To be fair, (some of, anyway) the people in the party recognize that attacking her in such a manner is a lose-lose proposition for them, but the mouth-breathers that comprise the base (think Rush's listeners and the average Glenn Beck viewer) WANT to attacker her like that.  Oh well, play them off keyboard cat!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
Jim Henley predicts (http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/26/9377) "Sotomayor <3 Santeria" as an upcoming wingnut meme.

I'm particularly fond of "Che Guevara in robes" (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/26/sizing-up-sotomayor/) myself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 27, 2009, 05:02:39 PM
Yes I stole it, but it one of the most hilarious things I've seen recently.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/05/27/a_divider_not_a_uniter.html#029954a
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 05:03:42 PM
At The Corner, Mark Krikorian writes not one (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTI0ODZhY2NkNDU2MjE5YTFkMmM2OGU1NWRjZmRjZTI=), but two (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzkwYzY3ZTc4NTkwZjRiMjM3OGVlMzlmNTZjYmY2ZDI=) posts on why we shouldn't stress the last syllable in Sotomayor's name, even if it is how she herself pronounces it.

Apparently our culture is at stake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 27, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
What's all this nonsense about how the GOP will be careful opposing Sotomayor because of her gender and ethnicity, anyway?  If anything, her gender and ethnicity have provided them the blueprint for their opposition so far.

Remember when the GOP was going to go soft on Obama because they wouldn't want to look racist?

Yea, we posted like a billion articles about how the GOP was carefully weighing their options, but in a matter of hours they unloaded almost every conceivable under-the-belt blow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 05:18:38 PM
Quote
Newt Gingrich just twittered: "White man racist nominee would be forced to withdraw. Latina woman racist should also withdraw."

This was preceded by: "Imagine a judicial nominee said 'my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman' new racism is no better than old racism"

While Gingrich doesn't have a vote in the Senate, he may have passed the litmus test.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 27, 2009, 05:22:43 PM
le sigh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 27, 2009, 05:33:01 PM
Alito during the confirmation hearings:  (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=05&year=2009&base_name=stuart_taylor_and_pat_buchanan#115277)
Quote
Because when a case comes before me involving, let's say, someone who is an immigrant -- and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases -- I can't help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn't that long ago when they were in that position.
[...]

When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2009, 07:41:50 PM
Remember when the conservatards were complaining about how the liberals were being unfair to Palin during the campaign because she was a woman (and not because she was, you know, marginally smarter than the average kumquat)?

Good times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
Also, where is this "she was picked cuz she's hispanic" shit coming from? There was a sense that Obama wanted to choose a woman so there would be two on the bench again. But how does that mean this was unfair...or that she is under-qualified compared to the white males she apparently beat out of the job? She's got more experience than any of the current SC justices had before being nominated, she graduated at the top of her class at a couple top universities, etc.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 27, 2009, 08:06:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
Also, where is this "she was picked cuz she's hispanic" shit coming from?

Answer:
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
she's hispanic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 08:10:20 PM
You're probably right

also
Quote
Top Senate Republican strategists tell Politico that, "barring unknown facts about Judge Sonia Sotomayor, the GOP plans no scorched-earth opposition to her confirmation as a Supreme Court justice."

Not a single senator has come out publicly in opposition to Sotomayor's confirmation.

Said one GOP aide: "The sentiment is overwhelming that the Senate should do due diligence but should not make a mountain out of a molehill. If there's no 'there' there, we shouldn't try to create one."
http://politicalwire.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 27, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
 :o at the 10 year ... 270 bps in two days
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2009, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2009, 07:53:31 PM
Also, where is this "she was picked cuz she's hispanic" shit coming from? There was a sense that Obama wanted to choose a woman so there would be two on the bench again. But how does that mean this was unfair...or that she is under-qualified compared to the white males she apparently beat out of the job? She's got more experience than any of the current SC justices had before being nominated, she graduated at the top of her class at a couple top universities, etc.

Because it's Obama, therefore everything is motivated by race and shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 27, 2009, 09:40:44 PM
I read in poligaf how awkward it was going to be because Alito was part of a group of people who were trying to make Princeton not to let a woman study law there. She was one of the first groups of women to have studied law there.

At least I believe it was Alito that they mentioned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on May 27, 2009, 09:47:57 PM
30-year fixed rate mortgages went from 5.08% to 6.52% today.


Its pretty lolz-worthy to think there isn't some angle to her race. I mean come on. But, is it the only reason? Hell no. I'm a little surprised there isn't more bitching about the Catholic stranglehold on the bench though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on May 27, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Isn't she the most experienced judge to be nominated? I remember hearing that said a few times the other day. That would counter the argument quite well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2009, 01:29:02 PM
Great article on Gates. Some of the details on Rumsfield's disaster run are just smh-worthy
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1901342,00.html?xid=rss-politics

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"If you ever get a chance to interview Donald Rumsfeld," a retired four-star general told me in 2005, "ask him two questions and see which one lights up his eyes. Ask him what our force posture should be toward China 10 years from now. And then ask him what tactical changes we should make on the ground in Iraq as a result of the last three months of combat. I'll bet you anything, he gets more excited about China."

And that was the problem. The Cheney-Rumsfeld axis, which essentially ran national-security policy in the first half of the Bush Administration, was stuck in the Cold War. Rather than fight the enemy we had — the stateless terrorists of al-Qaeda — they sought more conventional enemies. Attention quickly — too quickly — shifted from Afghanistan to Iraq. And then, once the conventional armored push to Baghdad was completed, the ongoing war effort became — amazingly — a bureaucratic orphan. "Every time we tried to do something for the troops in the field in both Afghanistan and Iraq, we had to go outside the regular Pentagon bureaucracy to get it done," Gates recalled. "For example, there was no institutional home" for figuring out how to combat roadside bombs — but there were plenty of people working on how to counter missiles from North Korea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
lol

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346903426760553.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346903426760553.html)

Quote from: WSJ
When Barack Obama announced that the government will use its fist to wave onto the highways of America cars that get 39 miles to a gallon of liquefied switch grass or something, he said, "Everybody wins."

Everybody? What country has he been living in? This marks the end of the internal combustion engine as we knew it, and it is the way Americans have defined, designed and literally driven much of the nation's culture for as long as anyone can remember.

CAFE, the fuel-mileage standards Congress mandated 34 years ago, gradually squeezed the size and life out of America's cars.

We are being offered a different world now. One designed, defined and driven by a new set of un-fun obsessions -- carbon footprints, greenhouse gas and alternative energy. This large transition passes before us, barely seen, as the gray water of public policy. Hardly anyone notices how much is being changed.

"Everybody wins?" Not quite. What's winning is a worldview that goes deeper than the data beneath global warming. The gasoline cars they want to turn into scrap were about a lot more than the thrill of roaring on.

The cars and their culture were a manifestation of what made the U.S. really different. The cars, like the country, were big, fast and unfettered. Their drivers were delirious with the possibility of finding something new in life. "It's a town full of losers, and I'm pullin' out of here to win!"

We'll see what happens when people walk into auto showrooms (if they exist) and every car has a wheelbase of about 100 inches.

Obama making things unfun :piss2
 :usacry

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 28, 2009, 04:28:39 PM
GODDAMN IT MY PENIS EXTENSION (ignores that there are large hybrid SUVs and that hybrids these days can look completely normal like any other car)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 28, 2009, 05:14:04 PM
poor top gear, each week test driving yugoslavian super cars like the yugorrari, the yugombini, the yugo martin, the yugo royce, and the yogo martin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 28, 2009, 06:10:40 PM
Top Gear did once test the efficiency of supercars.  I think the highest one was like 6 mpg.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 28, 2009, 06:34:16 PM
I'm tired of hearing about Sotomayor.  I remember barely hearing anything about Alito or Roberts in comparison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 28, 2009, 09:38:32 PM
Since the repubs can't actually do anything but bitch, all you get is noise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2009, 12:32:36 AM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
lol

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346903426760553.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346903426760553.html)

Quote from: WSJ
When Barack Obama announced that the government will use its fist to wave onto the highways of America cars that get 39 miles to a gallon of liquefied switch grass or something, he said, "Everybody wins."

Everybody? What country has he been living in? This marks the end of the internal combustion engine as we knew it, and it is the way Americans have defined, designed and literally driven much of the nation's culture for as long as anyone can remember.

CAFE, the fuel-mileage standards Congress mandated 34 years ago, gradually squeezed the size and life out of America's cars.

We are being offered a different world now. One designed, defined and driven by a new set of un-fun obsessions -- carbon footprints, greenhouse gas and alternative energy. This large transition passes before us, barely seen, as the gray water of public policy. Hardly anyone notices how much is being changed.

"Everybody wins?" Not quite. What's winning is a worldview that goes deeper than the data beneath global warming. The gasoline cars they want to turn into scrap were about a lot more than the thrill of roaring on.

The cars and their culture were a manifestation of what made the U.S. really different. The cars, like the country, were big, fast and unfettered. Their drivers were delirious with the possibility of finding something new in life. "It's a town full of losers, and I'm pullin' out of here to win!"

We'll see what happens when people walk into auto showrooms (if they exist) and every car has a wheelbase of about 100 inches.

Obama making things unfun :piss2
 :usacry



I have fun driving my mid-sized car with moderate fuel-efficiency and not having to pay a fortune on gas anytime I want to go somewhere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on May 29, 2009, 05:49:13 AM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on May 28, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
lol

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346903426760553.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124346903426760553.html)

Quote from: WSJ
When Barack Obama announced that the government will use its fist to wave onto the highways of America cars that get 39 miles to a gallon of liquefied switch grass or something, he said, "Everybody wins."

Everybody? What country has he been living in? This marks the end of the internal combustion engine as we knew it, and it is the way Americans have defined, designed and literally driven much of the nation's culture for as long as anyone can remember.

CAFE, the fuel-mileage standards Congress mandated 34 years ago, gradually squeezed the size and life out of America's cars.

We are being offered a different world now. One designed, defined and driven by a new set of un-fun obsessions -- carbon footprints, greenhouse gas and alternative energy. This large transition passes before us, barely seen, as the gray water of public policy. Hardly anyone notices how much is being changed.

"Everybody wins?" Not quite. What's winning is a worldview that goes deeper than the data beneath global warming. The gasoline cars they want to turn into scrap were about a lot more than the thrill of roaring on.

The cars and their culture were a manifestation of what made the U.S. really different. The cars, like the country, were big, fast and unfettered. Their drivers were delirious with the possibility of finding something new in life. "It's a town full of losers, and I'm pullin' out of here to win!"

We'll see what happens when people walk into auto showrooms (if they exist) and every car has a wheelbase of about 100 inches.

Obama making things unfun :piss2
 :usacry



haha wow, this is distinguished mentally-challenged in so many ways
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 29, 2009, 08:02:46 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2009, 12:32:36 AM
I have fun driving my mid-sized car with moderate fuel-efficiency and not having to pay a fortune on gas anytime I want to go somewhere.
And you call yourself a man? Pffffffffftttt

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I share a Honda Accord with my wife and ride the biofueled public buses  8)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 29, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
O lawd, the wsj is on a roll

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355131075164361.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355131075164361.html)
Quote from: WSJ
With each passing week that the assault against global capitalism continues in Washington, I become more nostalgic for one missing voice: Milton Friedman's. No one could slice and dice the sophistry of government market interventions better than Milton

I would rank Milton Friedman, next to Ronald Reagan, as the greatest apostle for freedom and free markets in the second half of the 20th century.

I've been thinking a lot lately of one of my last conversations with Milton, who warned that "even though socialism is a discredited economic model and capitalism is raising living standards to new heights, the left intellectuals continue to push for bigger government everywhere I look." He predicted that people would be seduced by collectivist ideas again.

He was right. In the midst of this global depression, rotten ideas like trillion-dollar stimulus plans, nationalization of banks and confiscatory taxes on America's wealth producers are all the rage. Meanwhile, it is Milton Friedman and his principles of free trade, low tax rates and deregulation that are standing trial as the murderers of global prosperity.

The myth that the stock-market collapse was due to a failure of Friedman's principles could hardly be more easily refuted. No one was more critical of the Bush spending and debt binge than Friedman. The massive run up in money and easy credit that facilitated the housing and credit bubbles was precisely the foolishness that Friedman spent a lifetime warning against. :teehee

The Obama administration wants to power our society by spending three or four times more money to generate electricity using solar and wind power than it would cost to use coal or natural gas. The president says that this initiative will create "green jobs."

Milton knew how to create real wealth-producing jobs. Once, when he visited India in the early 1960s, John Kenneth Galbraith, the U.S. ambassador, welcomed him by only half-joking, "I can think of no place where your free-market ideas can do less harm than in India." Talk about irony. India has adopted much of the Friedman free-market model and has moved nearly 200 million people out of destitution and despair.  :-X

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 29, 2009, 02:04:20 PM
why is THIS insane quote not the bolded one

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I would rank Milton Friedman, next to Ronald Reagan, as the greatest apostle for freedom and free markets in the second half of the 20th century.

??? :bow reagan, free market apostle :bow2 ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2009, 02:10:19 PM
if reagan was apostle, who was christ  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 29, 2009, 02:17:33 PM
ayn rand, you silly billy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2009, 02:21:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]SqzSe1JaPLI[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 29, 2009, 02:22:28 PM
Its Galt, everyone knows that God isn't a woman

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Unless Ayn was a.....you know......

(o)(o) 
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 29, 2009, 02:23:17 PM
:drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 29, 2009, 02:24:09 PM
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When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.

- Samuel Alito

whoops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 29, 2009, 02:57:23 PM
finally!  some hypocrisy we can nail those right wingers with!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on May 29, 2009, 01:46:08 PM
O lawd, the wsj is on a roll

Quote
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355131075164361.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124355131075164361.html)
The myth that the stock-market collapse was due to a failure of Friedman's principles could hardly be more easily refuted. No one was more critical of the Bush spending and debt binge than Friedman. The massive run up in money and easy credit that facilitated the housing and credit bubbles was precisely the foolishness that Friedman spent a lifetime warning against. :teehee


Friedman was so opposed to Bush that he signed a letter (http://economics.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=economics&cdn=money&tm=9&gps=204_870_1019_706&f=00&su=p649.0.147.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/release_bc04_economists.html) slamming Kerry's policy positions during the 2004 campaign.  Way to go, Miltie!

Eh, waddya expect.  It's Stephen Moore from the Club For Growth.  The only thing he brings to the table is complete metaphysical certainty that taxes r bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2009, 06:54:28 PM
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/05/newt-gingrich-thinks-auschwitz-is-a-good-venue-for-partisan-political-attacks.php

Newt Gingrich visits Auschwitz, makes snarky political jabs on Twitter.

Quote from: Gingrich
Auschwitz is a horrifying experience which reminded me of thee vil of kim jong I’ll and dangers of al qaeda hamas and hezbollah

Quote from: Gingrich
Auschwitz is also a reminder that evil men often do what they threaten. An iranian nuclear bomb could lead to a second holocaust

Quote from: Josh Daws
@newtgingrich Silly Newt. Don’t you know that by talking to them they’ll put down their weapons and participate in giant group hug.

Quote from: Gingrich
@JoshDaws I knew you would understand. Chamberlain tried the group hug with hitler and it didn’t work


Further evidence towards my theory that Newt Gingrich is inferior to Stephen Fry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0747632/).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2009, 07:00:32 PM
 :lol

He's been going at it in overtime lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 30, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
At least he sounds more intelligent than the Sotomayor twitter.

"URGH, FEMALE RACIST. SOTOMAYOR STEP DOWN. FIRE BAD."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2009, 07:04:53 PM
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Gingrich warns that all of American civilization is at stake here. "If Civil War, suffrage, and Civil Rights are to mean anything, we cannot accept that conclusion," he writes. "It is simply un-American. There is no room on the bench of the United States Supreme Court for this worldview."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/gingrich-digs-in-on-sotomayor-bashing.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2009, 07:07:39 PM
At this point, the GOP is basically a party of white men demanding reparations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 30, 2009, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: WSJ
Maybe they'll bolt. Maybe the car culture will revert to where it began, when the whiskey runners in the South ran from the revenuers. This time the cars themselves will be bootlegged -- fat, fast and gas-powered -- racing through the night on off-map roads while the National Green Corps -- enacted by Congress in the second Obama term -- looks for them from ethanolic choppers overhead. Reborn to run.

omg that is awesome, does he have a movie deal yet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 31, 2009, 01:48:36 AM
I think the writer's actually sort of serious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 31, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
Gingrich has went from born-again moderate to firebomb-throwing party whip again. I don't understand his angle.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2009, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 31, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
Gingrich has went from born-again moderate to firebomb-throwing party whip again. I don't understand his angle.

Trying to curry favor with the party's base for a primary run in 2012 so he can get the shit kicked out of him by Obama?  It's fairly obvious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2009, 07:31:25 PM
Who's to say he'll run. I dunno what the hell he's doing, nor can I imagine him thinking his line(s) of attack are working or effective.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 01, 2009, 12:03:04 AM
he seems to care about appearing on tv that is about it. it seems like he'll appear on ANYTHING. He seems to be one at least half a dozen cable news shows across all the channels every day.
Title: Gingrich is what we thought he was. You want to crown his ass, go ahead.
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 31, 2009, 05:13:39 PM
Gingrich has went from born-again moderate to firebomb-throwing party whip again. I don't understand his angle.


When was this?  AFAIK he's always been a full-spectrum conservative.  Cultural, (gays, abortion, ceremonial deism), economic (tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts privatization tax cuts), and defense (World War III against Islam, no negotiations), the whole shebang.

He paid a little lip service to the idea of technocratic bipartisanship.  And he's always thought of himself as a solutions guy (laptops for students!  high-tech air traffic control!).  But he's always been pretty far to the right and has always been comfortable trying to bludgeon liberals with bog standard conservative wedge issues.

He's just a bit louder now than at certain other points in his career.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: enjoy bell woods on June 01, 2009, 04:54:41 AM
Damn, Gingrich is awesome. I need to follow his Twitter more closely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: enjoy bell woods on June 01, 2009, 04:56:14 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on May 27, 2009, 12:53:30 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on May 27, 2009, 12:46:46 PM
I would add you to the list too but I'm sure your mom didn't have to sleep with too many red necks to get you through Alvin community barber college.

No, unlike you, parasite, I took out loans to go to college which I then paid back by doing WORK.  Now that I'm going back this fall I will be paying for it all with money that I saved up by doing WORK.  The only help either of my parents ever gave me other than a little bit of cash on birthdays or Christmas was a car my dad helped me buy about ten years ago... that I paid him back in full for.
What a crybaby.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2009, 02:14:33 PM
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Recruiting and managing a team of rivals would not be easy, and Clinton came with her own set of issues. Chief among them was her campaign debt, which she wanted eliminated before she took the job of secretary of state. Would the president-elect go out and help her to do so? "I'm not begging her to take this job," Obama told his senior aides. "If she wants it, I could help. But I'm not willing to go out in these difficult economic times to do a flashy fundraiser in California." As it happened, plenty of people in the Senate were begging Obama to offer Clinton the job. Obama's aides believed that many Senate Democrats thought Clinton had extended her presidential campaign far beyond the point where she had lost the election. Her negative advertising wasted Democratic money, threatened to undermine the party's nominee, and suggested that she was disloyal to the party. They were unwilling to offer the junior New York senator a position ahead of her lowly rank, and she stood little chance of becoming majority leader. "There was a lot of encouragement from inside the Senate to get her into this job," said one senior Obama aide. "They wanted her out of there." ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/31/exclusive-excerpt-from-re_n_209577.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 01, 2009, 07:59:41 PM
So I found out my atheist, pro choice, pro gay marriage, pro stem cell research, working class roomate voted for McCain during the election. Why? Cause Obama lied about his birth certificate, has a messiah complex and is going to lead the country down the path of communism.

It's like he was being blackmailed by Bill O'reily.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2009, 08:49:35 PM
ask him why he let bill down by not killing tillman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2009, 12:41:56 AM
What baby is able to lie on his/her birth certificate? That's definitely more impressive than saying your first word
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 02, 2009, 02:38:34 AM
His mother obviously lied on his birth certificate. I mean she was a atheist don't forget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2009, 03:10:09 AM
Pajamas TV trainwreck (http://www.pjtv.com/video/PJTV_Daily/Politics_%26_The_Smart_Girl%3A_The_Birth_of_a_Fempire/1946/).  Includes the accusation that Sotomayor "litigates from the bench".

To steal from the blog that linked to this, it's like watching a tweaker trying to place an order at Sonic. .
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2009, 03:58:22 AM
I thought that site was fake initially. Hmm, actually I'm still not sure

edit: "conservative" has been a bad word? what? conservative movement spreading far and wide? what
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2009, 04:29:17 AM
Pajamas Media has been around for a few years.  It was founded by Roger L. Simon, a former screenwriter who turned insane after 9/11, and Charles Johnson who runs Little Green Footballs (one of the original big political blogs, which had a scary racist comments section).

They had a dumb business non-model straight out of the internet stock boom.  Originally it was a network of blogs (kinda sorta rightwing Huffpo) but Simon abruptly announced that they were bleeding money and would be switching to an online TV format.  Hilarious internal sniping and schadenfreude ensued.

I think the best part of that segment is their organization's name.  Smart Girl Politics indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2009, 02:20:03 PM
:drudge
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/02/obama-iran-nuclear-energy_n_210332.html
:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Snuflupagulus on June 02, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
pjtv?

They have that space ace attorney, Glenn Reynolds.  One of the many, "I'm a republican libertarian."  Bizarrely argued for the Bush-Cheney executive supremacy interpretation of the constitution.  Reynolds made a name for himself by attempting to develop space law.  No joke.  Laurence Tribe would laugh at his stupid ass if he even knew who the corpo-lolbertarian was. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2653179&ref=fpblg
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 02, 2009, 09:38:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2653179&ref=fpblg
 :lol

Short story:
Black men hate marriage
Take your wife to the local bar, not a Broadway show. It's too extravagant for for black people.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 03, 2009, 01:31:45 PM
I bet sd had a hard-on reading this. Chavez calling Obama a "comrade" and left-wing. lololoooool
http://www.reuters.com/article/ObamaEconomy/idUSTRE5520GX20090603?feedType=RSS&feedName=ObamaEconomy&virtualBrandChannel=10441
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
THE EMERGENCE OF OBAMA'S MUSLIM ROOTS
http://drudgereport.com/ 

linked article
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/abc-news-jake-tapper-and-sunlen-miller-report-the-other-day-we-heard-a-comment-from-a-white-house-aide-that-neverwould-have.html

Drudge has been going absolutely insane lately. And I love the new meme that Obama "hid" his Muslim roots during the election, but now is flaunting them as he woos Muslims in the middle east. Seems the right is more upset with Obama's alleged election dishonesty than the intolerance in this country that made it hard to even discuss the issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 03, 2009, 03:11:48 PM
Obama wooed hispanics, does that mean he is hiding a secret mexican background as well?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 03, 2009, 03:44:52 PM
He wooed and got a lot of Republicans to vote for him, too.  I guess he might have secret Republican roots we haven't heard about yet, which honestly might be more harmful to him these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 03, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
THE EMERGENCE OF OBAMA'S MUSLIM ROOTS
http://drudgereport.com/ 

linked article
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/abc-news-jake-tapper-and-sunlen-miller-report-the-other-day-we-heard-a-comment-from-a-white-house-aide-that-neverwould-have.html

Drudge has been going absolutely insane lately. And I love the new meme that Obama "hid" his Muslim roots during the election, but now is flaunting them as he woos Muslims in the middle east. Seems the right is more upset with Obama's alleged election dishonesty than the intolerance in this country that made it hard to even discuss the issue.


Remember when calling him Barack Hussien Obama made little liberals get their panties all wadded up?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 03, 2009, 03:53:54 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on June 03, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
THE EMERGENCE OF OBAMA'S MUSLIM ROOTS
http://drudgereport.com/ 

linked article
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/abc-news-jake-tapper-and-sunlen-miller-report-the-other-day-we-heard-a-comment-from-a-white-house-aide-that-neverwould-have.html

Drudge has been going absolutely insane lately. And I love the new meme that Obama "hid" his Muslim roots during the election, but now is flaunting them as he woos Muslims in the middle east. Seems the right is more upset with Obama's alleged election dishonesty than the intolerance in this country that made it hard to even discuss the issue.


Remember when calling him Barack Hussien Obama made little liberals get their panties all wadded up?

Because you fucks pronounced Hussein (spell it right, 'tard) with a sneer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on June 03, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 02:42:51 PM
THE EMERGENCE OF OBAMA'S MUSLIM ROOTS
http://drudgereport.com/ 

linked article
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/abc-news-jake-tapper-and-sunlen-miller-report-the-other-day-we-heard-a-comment-from-a-white-house-aide-that-neverwould-have.html

Drudge has been going absolutely insane lately. And I love the new meme that Obama "hid" his Muslim roots during the election, but now is flaunting them as he woos Muslims in the middle east. Seems the right is more upset with Obama's alleged election dishonesty than the intolerance in this country that made it hard to even discuss the issue.


Remember when calling him Barack Hussien Obama made little liberals get their panties all wadded up?

Yeah because it was used as a sneer, to scare people. Which was pathetic and still is
Title: The spirit of Edward R. Murrow, indeed
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2009, 05:15:59 PM
Shorter Tapper:  "During the campaign, Obama said he's Christian.  But now that he's won, he says he's met a lot of Muslim people.  Wotta hypocrite!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 03, 2009, 05:23:47 PM
It reminds me of that AP (?) story from last week about Stoyomayor about how hypocritical her supporters were for focusing on her tough upbringing while not focusing on how she's now living large with a $200,000 salary and living in an NYC apartment within walking distance of people with million-dollar homes (no mention of what her apt. is like), and her brother hates poor people or something. The story was equal parts "wotta hyprocrite" and "wotta uppity bitch".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 03, 2009, 06:25:20 PM
congrats to new homoshire

Quote
N.H. Legislature Approves Gay Marriage



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Published: June 3, 2009

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CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- New Hampshire legislators approved a measure Wednesday that would make the state the sixth to allow gay marriage, and Gov. John Lynch said he would sign it later in the afternoon.

He had promised a veto if the law didn't clearly spell out that churches and religious groups would not be forced to officiate at gay marriages or provide other services.

The Senate passed the measure Wednesday, and the House -- where the outcome was more in doubt -- followed later in the day. The House gallery erupted in cheers after the 198-176 vote.

''If you have no choice as to your sex, male or female; if you have no choice as to your color; if you have no choice as to your sexual orientation; then you have to be protected and given the same opportunity for life, liberty and happiness,'' Rep. Anthony DiFruscia, R-Windham, said during the hourlong debate.

New Hampshire's law takes effect Jan. 1. Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, Vermont and Iowa already allow gay marriage, though Maine opponents hope to overturn that state's law with a public vote.

California briefly allowed gay marriage before a public vote banned it; a court ruling grandfathered in couples who were already married.

New Hampshire opponents, mainly Republicans, objected on grounds including the fragmented process that required three bills.

''It is no surprise that the Legislature finally passed the last piece to the gay marriage bill today. After all, when you take 12 votes on five iterations of the same issue, you're bound to get it passed sooner or later,'' said Kevin Smith, executive director of gay marriage opponent Cornerstone Policy Research.

Lynch, a Democrat, personally opposes gay marriage but decided to view the issue ''through a broader lens.''

Lynch said he would veto gay marriage if the law didn't address churches and religious groups.

The revised bill added a sentence specifying that all religious organizations, associations or societies have exclusive control over their religious doctrines, policies, teachings and beliefs on marriage.

It also clarified that church-related organizations that serve charitable or educational purposes are exempt from having to provide insurance and other benefits to same sex spouses of employees. The earlier version said ''charitable and educational'' instead of ''charitable or educational.''

The House rejected the language Lynch suggested two weeks ago by two votes. Wednesday's vote was on a revised bill negotiated with the Senate.

The vote was supporters' last chance this year in New Hampshire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 06:47:54 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/report-bush-needed-condi-to-explain-articulate-flap-during-dem-primary.php?ref=fpc

Bush :bow  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 03, 2009, 06:49:56 PM
totally understandable though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 07:06:15 PM
Oh definitely. But the image of Bush calling up Condi is funny; I wonder what she thought about the situation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 03, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 07:06:15 PM
Oh definitely. But the image of Bush calling up Condi is funny; I wonder what she thought about the situation

"fucking cracker ass motherfucker"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 03, 2009, 07:22:42 PM
That's my Bush!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 04, 2009, 09:03:57 AM
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/conservatives_warn_quick_sex?utm_source=nav (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/conservatives_warn_quick_sex?utm_source=nav)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2009, 11:19:45 AM
This was on the front page of my paper today.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/11ioosw.jpg)

Secret Muslin indeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 04, 2009, 11:21:35 AM
Henninger wackiness

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124407155034283023.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124407155034283023.html)

Quote from: WSJ
In the spirit of the new age, General Motors, like Citigroup and AIG, will be kept alive in an industrial coma. One has to ask: Is this where the entire country is headed? Since January, it looks like it is.

So far Mr. Obama has used his personally exciting presidency for initiatives that are spending public money on a scale not seen since ancient Egypt. Besides Obama Motors ($60 billion to $100 billion), there is Obama-Care for health insurance ($1.2 trillion over 10 years), the stimulus ($800 billion), a global-warming offensive called cap and trade that hopes to siphon hundreds of billions of dollars from the economy, and a fiscal year 2010 budget of $3.59 trillion. Out of these mists of federal "investment" they promise five million "green collar jobs." Only public-sector lifers could believe, or assert, anything so fantastic.

All this is the Obama government's idea of innovation. It is all public sector because all any of them know is public sector.

Without exception, the Obama people with responsibility for the private economy come from a lifetime in politics, public administration or academia.

Besides Mr. Obama himself, the list includes Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Peter Orszag, EPA's Lisa Jackson (16 years with EPA), Commerce's Gary Locke (zero private experience), or Transportation's Ray LaHood (14 years in the House). The bio for Agriculture's Tom Vilsack says he "has served in the public sector at nearly every level of government." How can the private sector -- especially the world of risk capital, sweat equity and start-ups -- be anything but an abstraction for this group?

ObamaCare. How will a build-out of Medicare (b. 1965) to cover everyone and costing $1.2 trillion over 10 years not kill innovation in medical and health technology by siphoning away growth capital and its potential financial rewards?

Congress is talking about a "bad behavior" tax on beer and soda pop to reduce obesity and fund mega-Medicare. How about a bad-behavior tax on government? Slim as the president looks, Uncle Sam is looking like quite the fat boy.

:piss academia
:piss public service
:piss Keynes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
godDIZZAMN that speech

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewanted=all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2009, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
godDIZZAMN that speech

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?pagewanted=all

Awesome read. Thanks!  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2009, 01:58:05 PM
you can watch it here if you want http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/obama-cairo-speech-video_n_211210.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
make sure you read the comments!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 04, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
make sure you read the comments!

you are a heartless bastard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
make sure you read the comments!

looks like the yuppies were out in full force today. I'll wait for an article about something that irks them!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 02:54:09 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on June 04, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 02:03:55 PM
make sure you read the comments!

you are a heartless bastard

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
Half way through the speech. Looking over the criticism on the right...pretty pathetic. I hear no apologies or Israel bashing here - he's lecturing all sides while defending the US' defense of itself. This isn't a limp wrist address

edit:

Quote
Obama:
Speaking in Indonesia would be “almost like cheating."

Would've had “home ground” advantage but did not want that.
:drude :drudge :drudge

http://thepage.time.com/quotes-from-obamas-cairo-roundtable-with-muslim-israeli-press/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
grats on thirty-three thousand posts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on June 04, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2009, 06:47:54 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/report-bush-needed-condi-to-explain-articulate-flap-during-dem-primary.php?ref=fpc

Bush :bow  :lol


king of the hill has taught me that texans make special note of other whites articulating their words when a good old howdy will do i tell you what
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 04, 2009, 09:39:03 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 04, 2009, 03:02:05 PM
grats on thirty-three thousand posts
jesus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 05, 2009, 12:22:34 PM
http://dcinterns.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on June 05, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/Birth-Death_220k_May.jpg)

roffles
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 05, 2009, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 05, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/Birth-Death_220k_May.jpg)

roffles

Explain wtf you're talking about, and perhaps a hint about how you're wrong. k thanks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on June 05, 2009, 10:26:07 PM
He's trying to say less people are killing themselves in the fields Obama has a hand in since Obama took office because they have better lives now with Obama.

Though I'm not sure where the Leisure & Hospitality connection is.  Hell, I don't even know what a Leisure & Hospitality death is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on June 05, 2009, 11:45:37 PM
Its the government getting to play Dress Up Barbie with employment numbers.

That May number is the highest May number this decade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2009, 12:02:33 AM
Aren't the unemployment numbers going down just about each month?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2009, 01:11:25 AM
[youtube=560,345]0drwfnGlF_E[/youtube]
 :lol awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 06, 2009, 01:21:53 AM
awesome...really? really?

(my sarcasim meter might be out of calibration, but fuck)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2009, 01:29:32 AM
It's so ridiculous it becomes quite amazing.
Title: This took me less than a minute to find
Post by: Mandark on June 06, 2009, 02:43:10 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 05, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/Birth-Death_220k_May.jpg

roffles

Not nice to pass off other people's work (http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/may-employment-report-not-believable/20102) as your own.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on June 06, 2009, 11:05:01 AM
This turn into a blog now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2009, 11:47:21 AM
boo, mandark

triumph posts stuff all the time which he snags from andrew sullivan

when i see a graph i just assume it's from some other source.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 06, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 06, 2009, 11:05:01 AM
This turn into a blog now?

Now blogging is a medium with unreasonably strict standards of professionalism?  Really?  Blogging?


Quote from: Eric P
boo, mandark

triumph posts stuff all the time which he snags from andrew sullivan

If he doesn't link or cite a source, he should catch some shit for it.  It's just good manners and how hard is c/ping?


Anyway, it's a pretty lolzy link.  The guy is trying to do econometrics by anecdote, and he is shocked, shocked to find the leisure & hospitality industry added a lot of jobs in May.

Does anyone here not understand why hotels, theme parks, boardwalks et al add a bunch of jobs in late spring and then shed them during the fall?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 06, 2009, 07:02:59 PM
A lot of leisure and hospitality jobs were added because those are government jobs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 06, 2009, 08:32:31 PM
A few days late but I just wanted to say that Obama speech in Cairo was one of the best speeches he's given imo and a real seminal speech in general. It had the usual expected biases and limitations and trappings of American foreign policy in there but even accounting for that it was a real classic speech. I think that will be one of those speeches that people remember long after the fact.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 06, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
Stoney Mason is a name I remember, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think it's a good thing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2009, 10:58:24 PM
filthy liberal, etc.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 06, 2009, 11:10:12 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 06, 2009, 10:44:55 PM
Stoney Mason is a name I remember, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I think it's a good thing

Stoney's good people :pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2009, 11:55:21 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 07, 2009, 12:51:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 06, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 06, 2009, 11:05:01 AM
This turn into a blog now?

Now blogging is a medium with unreasonably strict standards of professionalism?  Really?  Blogging?


Quote from: Eric P
boo, mandark

triumph posts stuff all the time which he snags from andrew sullivan

If he doesn't link or cite a source, he should catch some shit for it.  It's just good manners and how hard is c/ping?


Anyway, it's a pretty lolzy link.  The guy is trying to do econometrics by anecdote, and he is shocked, shocked to find the leisure & hospitality industry added a lot of jobs in May.

Does anyone here not understand why hotels, theme parks, boardwalks et al add a bunch of jobs in late spring and then shed them during the fall?

chris martensen is a total bootstrapper kook, anyhow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2009, 01:19:31 AM
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/huckabee-gingrich-urge-political-engagement-va-beach

"I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history," Gingrich said. "We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism."

...

"The notion that we are just one of many among equals is nonsense," Huckabee said. The United States is a "blessed" nation, he said, calling American revolutionaries' defeat of the British empire "a miracle from God's hand."

...

"I am not a citizen of the world," said Gingrich, who was first elected to the U.S. House from Georgia in 1978 and served as speaker from 1995 to 1999. "I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2009, 01:40:59 AM
Quote
"The notion that we are just one of many among equals is nonsense," Huckabee said. The United States is a "blessed" nation, he said, calling American revolutionaries' defeat of the British empire "a miracle from God's hand."

fucking paganism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2009, 01:40:59 AM
Quote
"The notion that we are just one of many among equals is nonsense," Huckabee said. The United States is a "blessed" nation, he said, calling American revolutionaries' defeat of the British empire "a miracle from God's hand."

fucking paganism

Quit lying, you know God talk from the Huck-ster gets yer homeskoold panties in a bunch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 08, 2009, 01:43:50 AM
so i guess god was on the side of the terrorists on 9/11?

thanks, god

dick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2009, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: Eric P on June 08, 2009, 01:43:50 AM
so i guess god was on the side of the terrorists on 9/11?

thanks, god

dick

"It's not illegal, it's just frowned upon.  You know, like jerking off on a plane."

"I'm pretty sure that's illegal too."

"Yeah, after 9/11.  Thanks a lot, bin Laden!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2009, 02:10:31 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on June 08, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2009, 01:40:59 AM
Quote
"The notion that we are just one of many among equals is nonsense," Huckabee said. The United States is a "blessed" nation, he said, calling American revolutionaries' defeat of the British empire "a miracle from God's hand."

fucking paganism

Quit lying, you know God talk from the Huck-ster gets yer homeskoold panties in a bunch.

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/huck3.jpg)
he can't be right about everything I guess :heartbeat

Someone should ask Gingrich what he meant by paganism; like, examples plz
Title: Post this to the Prussian Embassy in Siam via auto-gyro!
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2009, 03:23:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2009, 02:10:31 AM
Someone should ask Gingrich what he meant by paganism; like, examples plz

It'd certainly be a hard sell convincing the great American public (hello all) that they're being surrounded and usurped by a polytheistic, animist movement.

He probably means non-religious or non-Christian.  See his "gay and secular fascism" comment.

Considering Newt's opinion of himself as a master of strategy and rhetoric (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4443.htm), he might figure it's a more effective pejorative than "secular" or "atheist".  Took a poll and saw it had high unfavorables.  Or maybe he really believes it.

Either way, makes him sound comically old and grumpy to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 08, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Why does Newt get all this face time anyway, who cares what he thinks?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2009, 09:54:46 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 08, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Why does Newt get all this face time anyway, who cares what he thinks?

you see, he's a very smart guy who has a lot of ideas ALL THE TIME.  i know this because it is the official washington dc beltway insider blurb that gets attached to every description of newt.  nevermind that it's not, you know, true and stuff.  if we wanted to say something TRUE about him we'd say he got reprimanded by the house ethics committee while he was speaker, and resigned in disgrace after trying to impeach a president for getting a blow job and lying about it while newt was having an affair with one of his staffers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 08, 2009, 10:38:45 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 08, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
Why does Newt get all this face time anyway, who cares what he thinks?
who else would talk? there are no tv-friendly elected republicans out there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 08, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 08, 2009, 01:19:31 AM
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/huckabee-gingrich-urge-political-engagement-va-beach

"I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history," Gingrich said. "We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism."

...

"The notion that we are just one of many among equals is nonsense," Huckabee said. The United States is a "blessed" nation, he said, calling American revolutionaries' defeat of the British empire "a miracle from God's hand."

...

"I am not a citizen of the world," said Gingrich, who was first elected to the U.S. House from Georgia in 1978 and served as speaker from 1995 to 1999. "I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator."

I like the fact that if you swapped in Islam and Allah and a few other choices words this is the sort of language that has certain types terrified of Muslim Extremists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 08, 2009, 07:02:45 PM
Newt gets all this face time because the squeaky wheel gets the grease and he reminds the GOP of the glory days going up against Slick Willy.  Since most Reagan era politicians are dead or retired for good, you got to take what you can get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 09, 2009, 08:54:10 PM
New bin laden tape.
[youtube=560,345]WBWY87dKp1A[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/ (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/)

One of the darkest days in the history of the United States. The repercussions from this will be felt as long as this country exists. Fuck Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 09, 2009, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/ (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/)

One of the darkest days in the history of the United States. The repercussions from this will be felt as long as this country exists. Fuck Obama.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 09, 2009, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/ (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/)

One of the darkest days in the history of the United States. The repercussions from this will be felt as long as this country exists. Fuck Obama.

My God. The Supreme Court allowed a company to sell its assets to another company. This is one of the darkest days in American history, worse than Pearl Harbor, Antietam, the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and Lincoln, and 9/11. Obama.... why did you allow this to happen, you insidious Negro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 09, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Republicans: Sotomayor is so experienced it's unfair  :'(

Quote
Senate GOP's Reaction To Sotomayor Hearings: We'll Have To Review 76 Cases Per Day
By Eric Kleefeld - June 9, 2009, 5:18PM
The Senate Republican Communications Center has put out a new objection to the scheduled hearings for Sonia Sotomayor: That this schedule represents a double standard compared to the time it took for John Roberts' hearings to begin, because it means Republicans will have to review 76 of her cases per day, beginning from the day when the nomination was announced, to be ready on the day the hearings are supposed to begin.

The key here is that Sotomayor has spent a lot longer on the bench than Roberts did. Roberts had a total of 327 cases, to be reviewed in 55 days before his hearings -- about six per day. Sotomayor has 3,625 cases, to be reviewed in 48 days, working out to a ratio of about 76.
Now hold on a second, the math can get even trickier from here.

I did some number-crunching, and it turns out that in order to get to the same per-case ratio as Roberts, then the hearings would have to start 610 days after the initial nomination -- or a year and half from the current scheduled date. If we waited for September, which Republicans have called for, that would bring the ratio down to about 34 cases reviewed per day.

So how long do Republicans want?

"I think a lot of people on both sides of the aisle have acknowledged that Senate Republicans have approached this process in a very fair way," said Senate Republican Communications Center spokesman John Ashbrook, in a phone call with TPM. "And from the beginning we've been asking for one thing really, and that's an opportunity to review the record in a thorough way. And I think a lot of Democrats have agreed with us."

I asked again what ratio they'd be looking for. "A thorough review is what we're looking for," Ashbrook explained. "Putting a number on it is not as important as opportunity to throughly review the record."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 09, 2009, 10:17:18 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/ (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/)

One of the darkest days in the history of the United States. The repercussions from this will be felt as long as this country exists. Fuck Obama.
smh. Didn't actually read the article?

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With the company losing an estimated $100 million a day, with tens of thousands of workers’ jobs said to be in jeopardy, and with no other rescuer on the horizon

Fiat gets a one-fifth block of ownership, but cannot seek a controlling share until the governments are paid back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2009, 10:28:04 PM
Deeds wins the dem primary in Virginia. He's a more conservative Dem than I would like but that also probably gives him a better chance of winning the actual race in that state.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/creigh-deeds-wins-virginia-gubernatorial-primary-stomping-mcauliffe-and-moran.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 09, 2009, 10:37:56 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/chuck-grassley-on-twitter-inside-the-senatorial-id.php?ref=fpb?ref=dc2

From SM's link. 

Having dealt with a few members of his family, they are all fucks of the highest order.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2009, 10:57:07 PM
George H Bush trading up from Martha  ;)

(http://xs940.xs.to/xs940/09243/picture_1553.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 09, 2009, 10:59:14 PM
Gay, black, Harvard graduate, Iraq veteran Democrat running for Congress. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-09/best-political-resume-ever/full/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 09, 2009, 10:59:48 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2009, 10:57:07 PM
George H Bush trading up from Martha  ;)

(http://xs940.xs.to/xs940/09243/picture_1553.png)
:lol

There is a clip of him from last year smacking Terri Hatcher on the ass as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 09, 2009, 11:00:09 PM
Sort of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 09, 2009, 11:01:34 PM
Murtha would be a trade up from Martha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 09, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
martha?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 09, 2009, 11:04:34 PM
Barbara, oops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2009, 11:04:46 PM
After further investigation it appears to go both ways...

(http://xs140.xs.to/xs140/09242/picture_2541.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2009, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on June 09, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
martha?

I always think Martha Washington instead of Barbara Bush...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 09, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2009, 11:04:46 PM
After further investigation it appears to go both ways...

(http://xs140.xs.to/xs140/09242/picture_2541.png)



wtf was going that day?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 09, 2009, 11:31:06 PM
Just try and process this:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK6uiKP4v9A&[/youtube]

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HANNITY: The price of oil is going up again. It’s not quite at $140 a barrel, but it’s certainly on its way up to $70 and $80.

PALIN: Yeah, well and I thank God it’s not at $140. You know people say, “Hey, Alaska! Eight-five percent of your state budget is based on the price of a barrel of oil. Aren’t you glad the price is going up?” I say, “No!” The fewer dollars that the state of Alaska government has, the fewer dollars we spend. And that’s good for our families and for the private sector.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 09, 2009, 11:39:17 PM
haha.  It reads like a better than average joke post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2009, 11:40:18 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 09, 2009, 10:16:30 PM
Republicans: Sotomayor is so experienced it's unfair  :'(

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Senate GOP's Reaction To Sotomayor Hearings: We'll Have To Review 76 Cases Per Day

I can't believe this. Holy shit

"what do we really know about her?"
"well look at all these cases to find out"
"well what do we REALLY know about her now?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 11:49:38 PM
Quote from: Crushed on June 09, 2009, 10:11:49 PM
My God. The Supreme Court allowed a company to sell its assets to another company. This is one of the darkest days in American history, worse than Pearl Harbor, Antietam, the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and Lincoln, and 9/11. Obama.... why did you allow this to happen, you insidious Negro.

Yes, its all because Obama's black. Nevermind the fact that this deal has destroyed 150 years of established contract law by subjugating secured creditors to unsecured creditors through the use threats by the President of the United States. As an added bonus, he may have even violated the 5th amendment.

Kinda makes you want to go out tomorrow and load up on corporate bonds doesn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2009, 11:52:14 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/ (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/)

One of the darkest days in the history of the United States. The repercussions from this will be felt as long as this country exists. Fuck Obama.

 :lol

Someone needs to make a hyperventilating/inhaler smiley.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 09, 2009, 11:55:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2009, 11:52:14 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/ (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/court-clears-chrysler-sale/)

One of the darkest days in the history of the United States. The repercussions from this will be felt as long as this country exists. Fuck Obama.

 :lol

Someone needs to make a hyperventilating/inhaler smiley.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-smugrand.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 09, 2009, 11:57:03 PM

edit:  wrong thread.   :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2009, 12:39:07 PM
siamesedreamer probably liker peter schiff
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 10, 2009, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 08, 2009, 01:19:31 AM
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/huckabee-gingrich-urge-political-engagement-va-beach

"I think this is one of the most critical moments in American history," Gingrich said. "We are living in a period where we are surrounded by paganism."

Paganism =>
Breusch-Pagan test is used to test for homoscedasticity =>
homoscedasticity =>
HOMO

 :o

We are surrounded by homos  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/09/world/worldwatch/entry5076128.shtml

Seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/09/world/worldwatch/entry5076128.shtml

Seriously?

Stupid people exist all over the world. We shouldn't pretend that Isreal is somehow exempt from this condition.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2009, 02:25:05 PM
plus the article is titled "some Israelites insulted...", but the story doesn't even mention direct quotes or anything. Just some shit from a news  channel? wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 08:23:16 PM
Contessa Brewer versus John Ziegler over David Letterman

rolls eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yja1A5_VHic&fmt=18
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 10, 2009, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/09/world/worldwatch/entry5076128.shtml

Seriously?

Stupid people exist all over the world. We shouldn't pretend that Isreal is somehow exempt from this condition.

I think the problem is that even though Jews are probably the most reliably liberal segment of society, even regarding Israel, this overwhelming majority of American-Jews and Israelis seemed cowed into being a silent majority, letting only the worst to have a voice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 10, 2009, 08:33:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 08:23:16 PM
Contessa Brewer versus John Ziegler over David Letterman

rolls eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yja1A5_VHic&fmt=18

Thinking Letterman is part of a liberal conspiracy just shows an unhinged detachment from reality that I do hope continues.

He's pretty "small C" conservative, and just cranky with a high-level BS detector. Him setting Palin in his sites is unsurprising.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 08:35:21 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 10, 2009, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 02:07:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/09/world/worldwatch/entry5076128.shtml

Seriously?

Stupid people exist all over the world. We shouldn't pretend that Isreal is somehow exempt from this condition.

I think the problem is that even though Jews are probably the most reliably liberal segment of society, even regarding Israel, and the Israel are a minority, this overwhelming majority of American-Jews and Israelis seemed cowed into being a silent majority, letting only the worst to have a voice.

The problem is somewhat touched upon by this cartoon.

http://www.evcomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/elivalleyhulk2.jpg

Israel enjoys a very close relationship with the United States for many reasons. Most of them quite good and benign. Unfortunately that relationship has been somewhat perverted for a number of reasons so that any actual criticism of our foreign policy related to the middle east or Israel that could be construed as the slightest bit critical of Israel in any way shape or form is verboten.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 11, 2009, 01:43:30 AM
Make Israel and Palestine into one country.

With the name as Israel and the Star of David still on the flag.

It'll actually be a Muslim majority in the country though and then EVERYBODY would be pissed off.  Perfect compromise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 11, 2009, 01:47:13 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on June 11, 2009, 01:43:30 AM
Make Israel and Palestine into one country.

With the name as Israel and the Star of David still on the flag.

It'll actually be a Muslim majority in the country though and then EVERYBODY would be pissed off.  Perfect compromise.

Isn't that what Israel was a few years ago. That made Palestinians so upset.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2009, 02:01:36 AM
Someone make a list of all the conservatives who've complained about Letterman's Palin joke, cause those people are not allowed to bitch about political correctness anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 11, 2009, 02:07:43 AM
Quote from: Crushed on June 11, 2009, 01:47:13 AM
Isn't that what Israel was a few years ago. That made Palestinians so upset.
Actually I forgot the real population estimates, it still wouldn't be a Muslim majority but they would be a large minority to the point where politicians couldn't totally appeal to one religious demographic.  In the end, the government in that area couldn't be very "religious" and that probably would reduce the tension.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2009, 02:08:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 11, 2009, 02:01:36 AM
Someone make a list of all the conservatives who've complained about Letterman's Palin joke, cause those people are not allowed to bitch about political correctness anymore.

Palin has taught conservatives how disgusting and repellent sexism is so now they are crusaders against it!

Never mind two decades of femi-nazi, ugly lesbian, Janet Reno, Hillary Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton looks like a dog jokes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2009, 02:11:51 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on June 11, 2009, 02:07:43 AM
Quote from: Crushed on June 11, 2009, 01:47:13 AM
Isn't that what Israel was a few years ago. That made Palestinians so upset.
Actually I forgot the real population estimates, it still wouldn't be a Muslim majority but they would be a large minority to the point where politicians couldn't totally appeal to one religious demographic.  In the end, the government in that area couldn't be very "religious" and that probably would reduce the tension.

It wouldn't work. It still won't work especially well when/if ever they get a two state solution but that is at least preferable to the current 60 year powder keg situation they've got going on now.

As far as population projections.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085245.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 11, 2009, 02:24:53 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2009, 08:23:16 PM
Contessa Brewer versus John Ziegler over David Letterman

rolls eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yja1A5_VHic&fmt=18

He manages to hold the Hannity expression through the entire interview.

 :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2009, 03:24:36 AM
Did you guys see Palin's response?
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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) put out a scathing statement blasting David Letterman who joked about her visit to Yankee stadium and said Palin's daughter got "knocked up" by Alex Rodriguez.

Said Palin: "Laughter incited by sexually-perverted comments made by a 62-year-old male celebrity aimed at a 14-year-old girl is not only disgusting, but it reminds us some Hollywood/NY entertainers have a long way to go in understanding what the rest of America understands -- that acceptance of inappropriate sexual comments about an underage girl, who could be anyone's daughter, contributes to the atrociously high rate of sexual exploitation of minors by older men who use and abuse others."

It's interesting that Palin's statement assumes Letterman was referring to the governor's 14-year-old and not her older unmarried daughter who recently gave birth to a son.
http://politicalwire.com/

 :lol
Title: I think this also ends Jonah Golberg's "South Park Republicans" campaign
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2009, 03:35:33 AM
Going by anecdotal evidence, middle-aged Republican men are not opposed at all to sexual comments about teenage girls.

But seriously, folks.  This brand of manufactured outrage is goddamn ubiquitous in American politics, and I bet it's a big reason so many people decide to wash their hands of politics rather than slog through all the crap.

Obama won me over largely because he didn't insult my intelligence with this stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 11, 2009, 09:03:30 AM
Saying politically incorrect things are awesome as long as my side gets to say it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on June 11, 2009, 12:54:22 PM
I'm not sure if this is pertinent to the conversation at large, but former pro wrestling manager Jim Cornette destroyed a current wrestling announcer who is a right wing nutjob.  It is insane. :nsfw for language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21uRDdMMznM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 11, 2009, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on June 11, 2009, 12:54:22 PM
I'm not sure if this is pertinent to the conversation at large, but former pro wrestling manager Jim Cornette destroyed a current wrestling announcer who is a right wing nutjob.  It is insane. :nsfw for language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21uRDdMMznM

Just goes to show sometimes the outer wrapper can be surprising. Jim Cornette is an old school southern guy in the wrestling game from Kentucky who I would have guessed as being very conservative before this based on just social conditioning. Joey Styles is from Connecticut and basically was the voice of the ECW, the most extreme wrestling outfit from its heyday.

The background is that Stiles is employed by the WWE and runs a twitter site called WWEJoeyStyles where he twitters such awesome nuggets as

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Our marxist president is in the Middle East apologizing for for the USA and snubbing Israel. The disgrace continues.

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The (Catholic) University of Notre Dame should be ashamed of themselves for having pro-abortion President Obama speak at their graduation.

http://twitter.com/WWEJoeyStyles
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 11, 2009, 02:48:53 PM
dayum

For a rant that was 9+ minutes long, his arguments were actually pretty concise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Snuflupagulus on June 11, 2009, 05:25:56 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on June 09, 2009, 11:49:38 PM
Quote from: Crushed on June 09, 2009, 10:11:49 PM
My God. The Supreme Court allowed a company to sell its assets to another company. This is one of the darkest days in American history, worse than Pearl Harbor, Antietam, the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and Lincoln, and 9/11. Obama.... why did you allow this to happen, you insidious Negro.

Yes, its all because Obama's black. Nevermind the fact that this deal has destroyed 150 years of established contract law by subjugating secured creditors to unsecured creditors through the use threats by the President of the United States. As an added bonus, he may have even violated the 5th amendment.

Kinda makes you want to go out tomorrow and load up on corporate bonds doesn't it?
 

lol, unless the DE Court of Chancery recently fell off the map ain't shit changed.  And a conservative mentioning the 5th Amendment... :wag.

:american:obama :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 11, 2009, 05:42:27 PM
Guy from Ayn rand institute basically saying Von Brunn was lefty liberal.
[youtube=560,345]wrqnU9GQYR0[/youtube]
 :dizzy :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 11, 2009, 05:50:52 PM
ANTI-NEGRO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 11, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
How is he leftist? I don't get this.

Does thinking Obama isn't an american citizen because of OMGZ BIRTH CERTIFICATE and hates blacks = leftist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on June 11, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on June 11, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
How is he leftist? I don't get this.

Does thinking Obama isn't an american citizen because of OMGZ BIRTH CERTIFICATE and hates blacks = leftist?

"everything bad is on the left"
-literally the current philosophy of today's conservatives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 11, 2009, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: Crushed on June 11, 2009, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on June 11, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
How is he leftist? I don't get this.

Does thinking Obama isn't an american citizen because of OMGZ BIRTH CERTIFICATE and hates blacks = leftist?

"everything bad is on the left"
-literally the current philosophy of today's conservatives

Hasn't that been their philosophy for decades?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 11, 2009, 11:48:53 PM
CONSERVATISM CAN NOT FAIL, ONLY YOU CAN FAIL CONSERVATISM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
racism is a form of collectivism

hm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 12, 2009, 11:07:26 AM
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Gov. Sarah Palin told The Today Show this morning that she continues to be offended by David Letterman's joke "about the statutory rape of my 14 year-old daughter." Interviewed by Matt Lauer, Palin referred to Letterman as a "so-called comedian" and said his humor "erodes a young girl's self esteem."

Meawhile, last night on the Late Show, Letterman made one joke in his opening monologue about the ongoing controversy, saying, "I think everything's fine now: She called and offered to take me hunting."
Palin's remark to The Today Show suggests she still doesn't get the idea that Letterman's self-admittedly "cheap" joke -- that during a Yankees game, "her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez" -- had nothing to do with rape, nor was she buying Letterman's premise that he wasn't referring to 14 year-old Willow but to 18 year-old Bristol. Lauer cited a remark from Palin's spokesperson: "It would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman." "Are you suggesting David Letterman can't be trusted around a 14 year-old?" Lauer asked. "Take it the way you want to take it," said Palin. "It's from the heart." Lauer then asked, "But is that [comment] also not in bad taste?" "No, it's not," said Palin.

http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/06/letterman-palin-rape-joke-war.html


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVC2qah1DU&fmt=18[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Snuflupagulus on June 12, 2009, 11:51:40 AM
She's essentially handing the 2012 nomination to Pawlenty.  Her publicity whoring would be funny if not for how the media laps it up.  Thank god nothing of more importance is happening in the world.  >:(

Palin must get her playbook from old episodes of Springer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 12, 2009, 12:04:06 PM
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"It would be wise to keep Willow away from David Letterman." "Are you suggesting David Letterman can't be trusted around a 14 year-old?" Lauer asked. "Take it the way you want to take it," said Palin. "It's from the heart." Lauer then asked, "But is that [comment] also not in bad taste?" "No, it's not," said Palin.
goddam she is fucking dense. I like how she then goes off later in the interview about how "the candidate who must be obeyed" called family stuff off-limits, and proclaims a double-standard.

mmmmm, delicious hypocrisy

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 12, 2009, 12:41:26 PM
Quote from: Snuflupagulus on June 12, 2009, 11:51:40 AM
She's essentially handing the 2012 nomination to Pawlenty.  Her publicity whoring would be funny if not for how the media laps it up.  Thank god nothing of more importance is happening in the world.  >:(

Palin must get her playbook from old episodes of Springer.
Pawlenty? hah he won't win. My money is on Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 12, 2009, 03:55:25 PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/06/michigan_tea_party_convention.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/06/michigan_tea_party_convention.html)
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With populist, libertarian, conservative and Republican strands, the Tea Party effort evokes memories of the 1992 third-party movement sparked by Ross Perot. That, too, tapped fears about taxation, deficit spending and the national debt.

And on the subject of government, it reflected one emotion in ample supply among the tea partiers: Anger.

"I feel very strongly about this, more strongly than I ever felt about politics in my life," said Jim Chiodo, 64, of Holland. He plans to attend the convention as well.

"There is a silent majority that wants to make its voice be known," said Oom, 50.

Kind of echoes what this article observed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-holocaust-museum-shoo_b_214133.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rowe/the-holocaust-museum-shoo_b_214133.html)
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(referring to Coulter and Fox Newsites)As a group, they are the pop culture equivalent of necrotic carrion beetles, crawling with insectile determination from one infected open wound in the American psyche to another. The wounds include fear of race, fear of foreigners, fear of sexuality, fear of difference, hysterical religious fundamentalism, violent nationalism, and paranoia. They lay their eggs in the infected abrasion, then scuttle away. When the eggs hatch, disgorging rage and discontent, they start counting money.

At a town hall meeting, McCain was confronted by an elderly woman who told McCain that she was a supporter of his because Obama was "an Arab." McCain was clearly uncomfortable, and it was patently obvious why. It had nothing to do with McCain's feelings about Arabs. It had to do with an old-school Republican accidentally moving the rock, and coming face to face with what actually lived beneath it. He recognized that the woman was making an unambiguously racist statement about his opponent, and he was mortified to be asked to answer it. Even though McCain famously and horribly bungled his answer ("No ma'am, he isn't. He's a decent family man.") I knew when he meant. He was addressing the intended racial slur and disavowing it, however badly.

Sarah "Screw the Political Correctness" Palin, on the other hand, seemed right at home. She marched into those same crowds grinning and winking, and "Yoo betcha-ing" like she was onstage at the Miss Alaska pageant. While her supporters waved watermelon slices and stuffed monkeys, Palin talked about who the "real Americans" were, and who was "palling around with terrorists." She refused to address the blatant racism of her fans, or address the obvious exploitation of Obama's middle name, Hussein, and the implication she herself was making with her "terrorist" comments.

She was, after all, playing to the accurately-named Republican "base," the same crowd to whom George Bush had sold his second presidential term by pandering to their darkest and most cowardly aspect. This time out it was fear of gay marriage and adoption, carefully tended fear of another 9/11, fear of more fallout from a war they still didn't believe he'd lied about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 12, 2009, 06:56:40 PM
I'm pretty sure the manufactured outrage for Letterman has more to do with keeping Palin known more than anything.  All she really has is the MILF factor and the persecution complex but considering how every Republican these days is a victim of the liberal machine, Palin needs these little "controversies" to stay relevant.

Like that above article says, while McCain is uncomfortable with the darker side of the American public, Palin tends to embrace it.  Trust me, she isn't going away.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 12, 2009, 07:06:02 PM
She'll go away after 2011 when her presidential ambitions go nowhere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2009, 10:35:04 PM
I hope to god she gets the nomination in 2012. Just so we can have a "true republican" get stomped to put that meme to bed...at least temporarily
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 12, 2009, 10:38:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2009, 10:35:04 PM
I hope to god she gets the nomination in 2012. Just so we can have a "true republican" get stomped to put that meme to bed...at least temporarily

You mean until 2013?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 13, 2009, 12:57:13 AM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32264

Quote from: Pat Buchanan
Thus, Sotomayor got into Princeton, got her No. 1 ranking, was whisked into Yale Law School and made editor of the Yale Law Review -- all because she was a Hispanic woman. And those two Ivy League institutions cheated more deserving students of what they had worked a lifetime to achieve, for reasons of race, gender or ethnicity.

This is bigotry pure and simple. To salve their consciences for past societal sins, the Ivy League is deep into discrimination again, this time with white males as victims rather than as beneficiaries.

One prefers the old bigotry. At least it was honest, and not, as Abraham Lincoln observed, adulterated "with the base alloy of hypocrisy."

Yesirree, it makes you wanna return to them good ol' days, back when poor rich white males weren't discriminated against, and we could lynch all the distinguished black fellows we wanted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 13, 2009, 02:49:16 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2009, 10:35:04 PM
I hope to god she gets the nomination in 2012. Just so we can have a "true republican" get stomped to put that meme to bed...at least temporarily
The base can't be that stupid. And she isn't helping herself. All the stuff she has been doing has been that of a celebrity like a Paris Hilton or something, not a politician.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2009, 03:19:07 AM
She doesn't care. It's like she has surrounded herself with people who think she's the best thing ever, think the McCain campaign fucked up by having her on a leash, etc...so now they think it's best to let her run wild and give Real America hope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2012

So Iowa, NH, SC, and Nevada will be the first locations of primaries. The gay marriage debate makes social issues key in Iowa, and SC is...SC. So that's two states where a fundamentalist social values blowhard will probably take center stage.

But will the first person who wins multiple states become the de facto candidate, or will this thing drag out until the very end? Who knows.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 13, 2009, 03:26:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2009, 03:19:07 AM
She doesn't care. It's like she has surrounded herself with people who think she's the best thing ever, think the McCain campaign fucked up by having her on a leash, etc...so now they think it's best to let her run wild and give Real America hope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)_presidential_primaries,_2012

So Iowa, NH, SC, and Nevada will be the first locations of primaries. The gay marriage debate makes social issues key in Iowa, and SC is...SC. So that's two states where a fundamentalist social values blowhard will probably take center stage.

But will the first person who wins multiple states become the de facto candidate, or will this thing drag out until the very end? Who knows.

She won't be the nominee. I refuse to believe the base would be that stupid. No way. The base hates Obama too much to send someone out there who would be clearly a sacrificial lamb nominee. My money is on Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2009, 04:31:22 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/12/george-hw-bush-skydiving_n_214973.html
 :lol

awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 13, 2009, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2009, 04:31:22 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/12/george-hw-bush-skydiving_n_214973.html
 :lol

awesome
George HW Bush is a cool dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 13, 2009, 10:59:43 PM
Head of a Minuteman group defends America from 9yo Mexican girl. (http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=10526106)

So, how many people have been killed by right-wing shooters so far this year? 9?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 13, 2009, 11:02:30 PM
Quote from: Crushed on June 13, 2009, 10:59:43 PM
Head of a Minuteman group defends America from 9yo Mexican girl. (http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=10526106)

So, how many people have been killed by right-wing shooters so far this year? 9?

We need a website to track the kill count of right wing terrorist acts in this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 13, 2009, 11:13:24 PM
Remember when the DHS report came out and you saw people say, "HOW DARE YOU INSULT OUR VETERANS" and then within months veterans shot some people, including one who was 88 years old? Yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2009, 11:17:12 PM
I'd be interested in that too. I'm losing track and sometimes I see the headline but don't click because it's too depressing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 13, 2009, 11:23:28 PM
And it was a report written during the Bush era of Homeland Security. Extreme right wingers are very angry and scared at the more liberal leaning direction of the county and government and they have lots of guns. DHS had every right to make this of note. And they have been clearly redeemed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 13, 2009, 11:28:08 PM
This is anecdotal evidence but at a criminal justice club at the university I attended, we had a member of the DHS to give a presentation sometime in 2007.  He said that at that time, the department was more concerned with home grown right wing terrorism than they were with Islamic terrorism.  So if that wasn't coincidental, then the DHS has been aware of this growing problem for some time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2009, 11:29:08 PM
What is the difference between right wingers and Muslim extremists?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
muslim extremists have a better blast radius or right wingers are too much of a pussy to kill themselves in the act.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 14, 2009, 03:30:47 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/us/politics/14cong.html?_r=1

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The personal financial reports, due late last week from members of Congress, show that many lawmakers hold investments in insurance, pharmaceutical and prescription-benefit companies and in hospital interests, all of which would be affected by the administration’s overhaul of health care.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 14, 2009, 03:40:29 AM
Wow  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 14, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Crushed on June 13, 2009, 11:13:24 PM
Remember when the DHS report came out and you saw people say, "HOW DARE YOU INSULT OUR VETERANS" and then within months veterans shot some people, including one who was 88 years old? Yeah.
But wasn't that report specifically talking about NEW veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq being recruited into hate groups?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 14, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on June 14, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Quote from: Crushed on June 13, 2009, 11:13:24 PM
Remember when the DHS report came out and you saw people say, "HOW DARE YOU INSULT OUR VETERANS" and then within months veterans shot some people, including one who was 88 years old? Yeah.
But wasn't that report specifically talking about NEW veterans from Afghanistan and Iraq being recruited into hate groups?
Which is a valid point, as bad as it may be. Being at the front lines of a war fucks with your head, look at what happened to a lot of Vietnam vets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 14, 2009, 12:06:19 PM
Lots of these articles since the election but still.

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The Take
For Republicans, the Forces Aren't With Them

By Dan Balz
Sunday, June 14, 2009


There has been much chatter about who now speaks for the Republican Party, and whether the GOP has a message or an agenda to combat President Obama's popularity. Those questions are important to the party's future, but the most serious problem remains the deeper demographic and political forces at work in the country.

For the past few months, political analysts and demographers have been poring over the results of the 2008 election and comparing them with presidential results from the past two decades. From whatever angle of their approach -- age, race, economic status, geography -- they have come to a remarkably similar conclusion. Almost all indicators are pressing the Republicans into minority status.

Republicans are still capable of winning individual elections, but until they find a way to reverse, or at least minimize, these broader changes in the country, their chances of returning to majority status will be severely reduced.

The American Enterprise Institute and the Brookings Institution convened a stellar cast on Friday to review what has been learned since November. The panel included Robert Lang of Virginia Tech; Ruy Teixeira of the Center for American Progress; William Frey of the Brookings Institution; Bill Bishop, a Texas writer and author of "The Big Sort"; Scott Keeter of the Pew Research Center; and Ronald Brownstein of Atlantic Media. They presented a wealth of data about what happened in 2008 and offered conclusions that would alarm any Republican hopeful of a quick turnaround in the party's fortunes.

Democrats have won the popular vote in four of the past five elections, though in one case (2000) they did not end up in the White House. In years in which they have also won the electoral vote, Democrats have racked up sizable margins. Obama bested  John McCain by 365 to 173, and Bill Clinton's two victories were in the same range. George W. Bush's two electoral-college victories were narrow; he won 271 votes in the disputed election of 2000 and 286 in his 2004 reelection.

What has brought this about? It's not just one thing -- it's everything. Start with the Democrats' success in the suburbs. Lang's formula is that demography and density have combined to help Democrats: They dominate not just the cities but also the urbanized suburbs that contain the largest share of the suburban population in America.

Democratic strength in the counties around Philadelphia, around Detroit and in Northern Virginia have squeezed Republicans dramatically. Increasingly, Republican strength outside the urban areas counts for less. "There's just not enough rural folks and small-city people left in America in the key states that determine the electoral college to offset that difference," Lang said. "You're out of people."

That's one geographical reality. The other, which became acute in 2008, is that outside the South, Republicans are in trouble. McCain won the South in November, but Obama swept the rest of the country by an even bigger margin. The same pattern holds now for House and Senate seats. Republicans may continue to win governorships in Democratic-leaning states, but in congressional and presidential elections the geographic divides are sizable.

Brownstein reeled off a list of statistics that all arrived at the same place: The South now accounts for a greater share of Republican strength than at virtually any time since the party's founding. That base is too narrow, as even Republicans know.

Demographically, the forces at work have chipped away at what was once a GOP-leaning majority in the country. The most important is minorities' rising share of the vote. Whites accounted for 76 percent of the overall electorate last November, down from 85 percent in 1988.

In the last election, there were more than 2 million additional African American voters, about 2 million more Hispanic voters and about a million more Asian American voters. All are groups in which Obama increased the Democratic share of the vote over 2004. Frey estimated that minority voters in nine states made the difference in Obama's victory margin.

Republicans can't reverse the demographic trends; their only solution is to increase their share of the minority vote. Opposing Judge Sonia Sotomayor, Obama's Supreme Court nominee, because of her pride in being a Latina won't help solve that problem.

There was much attention paid to Obama's trouble winning the votes of white working-class voters. The bad news for Republicans is that these voters represent a declining share of the electorate.

Since 1988, that group's proportion of the national electorate has dropped by 15 percentage points. In Pennsylvania, Teixeira reported, it has declined by 25 percentage points. Teixeira reported that Obama actually won the votes of working-class whites ages 25 to 29; at this point, they appear more culturally liberal than their elders.

As the working-class vote shrinks, the college-educated vote increases, and Democrats are gaining a greater share of these voters. Democrats lost white college graduates by 20 percentage points in 1988 but by four points last November. That is another big reason they have gained strength in the suburbs.

Obama's strength among young voters was a staple of coverage throughout his bid for the White House, although as Keeter pointed out, he could have won in November without the votes of anyone younger than 30. But his margin was the biggest in several decades and that alone should worry Republicans.

Obama may appeal to younger voters, but their shift toward the Democrats predates his candidacy. "This really is not Obama," Keeter said. "Young voters were  John Kerry's best age group. They were the Democratic candidates' best age group in the 2006 elections, and they were the best age group for other Democratic candidates in 2008."

Younger voters are more diverse demographically than older voters. In 2008, 62 percent were white, compared with 74 percent eight years earlier. Projections show young voters will become increasingly diverse. They are also less religious and more culturally liberal, two indicators of Democratic support.

GOP strategist Mike Murphy described this in Time magazine as a coming Republican ice age. Republicans will need a major shift to begin to reverse these trends. That could start if there is a backlash against Obama's governance -- and the president's agenda certainly will test the country's tolerance for a big dose of government. But Republicans will need to retool in other ways to make themselves more appealing to a changing population. That debate has barely begun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/13/AR2009061301209.html?hpid=topnews
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 14, 2009, 01:41:47 PM
Once Republicans take another beating in 2010 (the teabagging gave the Dems enough material for to win a few seats alone) and probably in 2012, they'll begin to change their policies once they realize there are fewer and fewer bitter old white men to make up for the growing minority, atheist/non-religious, etc. populace.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2009, 02:22:06 PM
2010?

Obama's Spending Plans May Pose Political Risks
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/13/AR2009061302035.html?wprss=rss_politics

:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on June 14, 2009, 08:09:04 PM
the GOP has zero credibility on matters of deficit spending. Tax receipts are way down due the recession and at least the deficit spending that Obama has propsed at least DOES something, unlike the Bush-era spending where the money basically went into a black hole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 14, 2009, 08:44:50 PM
Most people (except the teabagging set and they were never going to vote Democrat anyway) realize that some deficit spending is necessary to begin the steep climb out of the hole that has been dug for us the past 30 years.  Obama has done a good job of telling it how it is instead of painting a pretty picture.  As a result, even if there isn't a total 180 by 2010 (there won't), the public isn't going to be too concerned.  Most Americans are aware (and experiencing) the realities of the recession and someone who is trying to claim Obama is the cause of their financial ills will backfire.

The GOP has almost fuck all for any kind of attack.  I suppose they could keep suggesting Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, general persecution complexes, but I don't see that netting any kind of seats.  On the other hand, they will stand to lose quite a few.  I doubt Republicans in archconservative areas will have any problems getting re-elected but the ones in hostile waters...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2009, 09:45:19 PM
Don't dems have more house seats to defend in 2010 than republicans? for the senate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on June 14, 2009, 10:29:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2009, 09:45:19 PM
Don't dems have more house seats to defend in 2010 than republicans? for the senate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010

Dems are playing defense in the House, and offense (again) in the Senate. Which intuitively makes sense, if you consider the first election that repudiated Republican rule was in 2006-the six-year Senate terms would give a big window in three consecutive elections ( in this case, 2006, 2008, 2010 ).

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on June 14, 2009, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2009, 09:45:19 PM
Don't dems have more house seats to defend in 2010 than republicans? for the senate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010
There is nothing to worry about with the House. The house rarely changes power.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2009, 04:01:55 AM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001840/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 15, 2009, 09:33:23 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2009, 04:01:55 AM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001840/
he compared a white supremist to a black studies major? lol

Chris Matthews said it best on Bill Maher on Friday when he said roughly:
"Of course he is a right winger. How could be left-wing? The left wing is winning, why would they be angry?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 15, 2009, 09:33:55 AM
er...supremacist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2009, 02:33:36 PM
911 truthers aren't simply "left wing." Alex Jones would be on the right wing of any political scale. And this idea that "groups" suggest you're liberal while being an individualist suggests you're conservative is ridiculous. Everything we've heard about this guy's political thought process suggests he's a far right wing lunatic. That in no way slanders people on the right; there are lunatics on the edges of both sides.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 15, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
Truthers come from all different ideologies from the anarchists (extreme right) to the communists (extreme left)  If you go the GAF thread, you find morons of all different political views defecate their opinions on the WTC7, Israeli connection, etc.

Generally, I've found more right wing libertarian truthers than anything else but that may be dependent entirely on exposure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on June 16, 2009, 06:22:26 PM
http://www.obamasplanforgayrights.com/

loooooooooooooooooooooool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 16, 2009, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: T EXP on June 15, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
anarchists (extreme right)

wut
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 17, 2009, 03:10:36 PM
More vitriol from the right, defending their queen's persecution complex

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/video_rabid_letterman_protesto.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/video_rabid_letterman_protesto.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 18, 2009, 01:56:28 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on June 17, 2009, 03:10:36 PM
More vitriol from the right, defending their queen's persecution complex

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/video_rabid_letterman_protesto.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/video_rabid_letterman_protesto.html)

"How dare he? When he has a bastard son, and a slut for a wife!"

Faux outrage ftw!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


Amazing how you can rile people up over absolutely fucking nothing....god people are beyond pathetic sometimes.


**I do think the joke was in poor taste, however.  Don't really care for jokes about children of political figures or celebrities, no matter  who is telling them. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2009, 02:09:30 PM
"rapes children with his mouth."

wat

edit: holy shit she looks like a white twin of Lynne Thigpen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 18, 2009, 02:29:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2009, 02:09:30 PM
"rapes children with his mouth."

wat

edit: holy shit she looks like a white twin of Lynne Thigpen

omg!  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2009, 08:12:55 PM
I absolutely love the irony of Palin refusing to go on Letterman's show because it may boost his ratings, when in fact that's exactly what happened.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 20, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/gm.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 20, 2009, 10:15:55 AM
Oh, hey FoC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 21, 2009, 01:34:16 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on June 20, 2009, 10:11:11 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/gm.jpg)(http://blog.jempp.com.au/uploaded_images/I%27m-wirh-stupid-slogan-tee-768965.jpg)

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2009, 03:34:35 PM
My boy SD must be bumming on this whole Sanford thing...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 24, 2009, 04:23:20 PM
That shit is hilarious. Could he have played this any worse?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 24, 2009, 04:49:29 PM
This was the biggest political trainwreck since Nixon. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 24, 2009, 04:51:08 PM
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5hO-YmeG6QymMf97hApCJc4n2kQ2A?size=l)

DON'T CRY FOR ME, ARGENTINA!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
Fuck I missed the presser. Affair?

"dear friend from Argentina" is code for cheeseburger  :lol

edit: lol @ the black people laughing in the back of the presser. wtf man
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/06/24/sanford_speaks.html#030285a

edit 2: now I feel bad for him, but moreso for his family  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 24, 2009, 06:35:03 PM
PD would like a dear, dear friend from Brazil.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2009, 06:36:47 PM
you better believe it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 24, 2009, 07:11:09 PM
Oh, Fox, you card you:

(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fnc-20090624-sanford.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on June 24, 2009, 07:16:06 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
Emails revealed
Quote
Wrote Sanford: "I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."
http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

far more articulate than the Kwame Kilpatrick texts  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 24, 2009, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
Emails revealed
Quote
Wrote Sanford: "I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."
http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

far more articulate than the Kwame Kilpatrick texts  :lol


A booty call is a booty call.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 24, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
Emails revealed
Quote
Wrote Sanford: "I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."
http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

far more articulate than the Kwame Kilpatrick texts  :lol


Damn, my panties just dropped
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2009, 12:29:38 AM
recursivelyenumerable ghost wrote it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 25, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 24, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2009, 07:25:48 PM
Emails revealed
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Wrote Sanford: "I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before - so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."
http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

far more articulate than the Kwame Kilpatrick texts  :lol


Damn, my panties just dropped

really?  When I read that I think "man, only a Christian, smh".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 25, 2009, 11:38:54 AM
Holy shit man, this reads like an Onion article

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0609/Palin_blasts_Alaska_blogger_over_Trig_photo.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2009, 04:08:13 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/limbaugh-on-the-sanford-affair-its-obamas-fault.php?ref=fpa
 :lol :lol :lol

Rush should post on EB

edit: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/bachmann-warns-of-link-between-census-japanese-internment.php?ref=fpb

add her too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 25, 2009, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2009, 04:08:13 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/limbaugh-on-the-sanford-affair-its-obamas-fault.php?ref=fpa
 :lol :lol :lol

Rush should post on EB


from the comments:

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Did he really mean to suggest that a GOP politician sought refuge in Argentina based on his political beliefs?

Isn't that a self-inflicted Godwin violation?

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 25, 2009, 07:27:05 PM
this affair began before obama was president  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
good

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/conyers_wife_pleads_guilty_on_corruption_count.php?ref=fpa

[youtube=560,345]YZQLxVO-qjM[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]_TvgtGlcdTE[/youtube]
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 26, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
The body of evidence suggesting that we should nuke Detroit from orbit grows more and more every day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2009, 02:09:36 PM
[youtube=560,345]LKPJ5k-j0cY[/youtube]

I laughed so hard when this happened

Valenti :bow

Conyers: Ya'll want to pay a tax hike on water?
Valenti: It depends, is the water leaking into Cobo?

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on June 26, 2009, 02:24:04 PM
uggh  >:(

As long as those fools keep electing these incompetent and corrupt officials, I don't feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on June 27, 2009, 08:27:29 PM
Has anyone else here registered to the White House youtube channel? I had no idea Obama did weekly addresses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on June 28, 2009, 12:30:45 AM
Quote from: Veidt on June 27, 2009, 08:27:29 PM
Has anyone else here registered to the White House youtube channel? I had no idea Obama did weekly addresses.
President's have been doing those forever. Since FDR I believe. Obama though is the first one to have them be primarily as youtube addresses, before it was only radio.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: muckhole on June 30, 2009, 05:41:11 PM
Franken is in.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/court-rules-franken-has-won-senate-seat/?hp (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/court-rules-franken-has-won-senate-seat/?hp)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2009, 05:46:41 PM
Does any politician look like more of a doughebag than Coleman? His face is just annoying
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on June 30, 2009, 07:12:26 PM
let's see the reaction from drudge report

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2uylnrp.jpg)

"magical negro spell cast upon people, developing..."


keep up the good work
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 30, 2009, 07:13:22 PM
Finally. I want to watch O'Reilly just to hear him say "Senator Franken."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Veidt on July 02, 2009, 10:17:17 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_JUMPn_8qo[/youtube]

You know, I get the whole freedom of speech thing. But really, these are just straight up lies. Why isn't every other channel or news station clamping down on this evil thing. It's like it's just straight out of V for Vendetta, what the hell.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 02, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/24441.html

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Washington Post publisher Katharine Weymouth said today she was canceling plans for an exclusive "salon" at her home where for as much as $250,000, the Post offered lobbyists and association executives off-the-record access to "those powerful few" — Obama administration officials, members of Congress, and even the paper’s own reporters and editors.

I know their revenue streams are dying off, but who could think that this was anywhere in the neighborhood of a good idea?

It's worse than those Russia/China advertising inserts that are made up to look like part of the paper.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 03, 2009, 04:41:28 PM
Palin just stepped down as Governor of Alaska.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 04:42:26 PM
Palin next president confirmed bitches!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 03, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
So, when will her Fox News show start?

My God she is irritating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: distantmantra on July 03, 2009, 04:47:29 PM
So, when will her Fox News show start?

She already has the Greta Van Susteren show which will now be renamed Greta and Sarah: Road to the White House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 03, 2009, 05:02:04 PM
So she is resigning because of all the media criticism? YOU'RE AN ELECTED PUBLIC OFFICIAL, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 03, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
So... she can't handle Alaska's politics? Or she's doing something else?

I'm half leaning toward there's obvious higher aspirations. But the other half of me feels that there's a scandal about to hit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 03, 2009, 05:11:50 PM
She will get slammed during a presidential run for not even being able to hang in there and finish out a term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 03, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaHuQdTJ5A[/youtube]

Ehhhh?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 05:36:25 PM
Ding dong the distinguished mentally-challenged witch is gone
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 03, 2009, 05:40:28 PM
she's apparently getting out of politics. probably going galt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 03, 2009, 05:45:34 PM
please let the sanford-palin sex tape surface

pleeeeeease
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 05:53:14 PM
The actual resignation.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACKm0AwStA8&fmt=18[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on July 03, 2009, 06:17:21 PM
God I wanna listen to Hannity and Limbaugh Monday just to hear their pathetic damage control.

Quote from: Professor Prole on July 03, 2009, 05:45:34 PM
please let the sanford-palin sex tape surface

pleeeeeease

:drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: GilloD on July 03, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
Word is now no 2012, but a some major shit is about to asplode.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 06:45:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 05:53:14 PM
The actual resignation.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACKm0AwStA8&fmt=18[/youtube]

*gag*

Aggressively stupid.  Did she even think about what she'd say beforehand or did she just get up there and start rambling like an idiot?  I just don't understand how anyone could listen to her talk and think that she's anywhere near qualified to hold any office of government. A colossal embarrassment.

I now hear on the news that they're talking about how her leaving early will give her time to write a book.  I bet that more than half of that will be filled with illustrations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 03, 2009, 07:01:53 PM
I don't really see how anyone can be surprised.  Palin does better with the public playing the martyr than she does holding a public office.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 03, 2009, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: T EXP on July 03, 2009, 07:01:53 PM
I don't really see how anyone can be surprised.  Palin does better with the public playing the martyr than she does holding a public office.



I wonder if she's like a chick-Jesus that thinks sacrificing herself will help the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 07:26:26 PM
lol at redstate

Quote
On Sarah Palin

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Friday, July 3rd at 5:31PM EDT

22 Comments
Well, Nicolle Wallace, Andrew Sullivan, and the left can claim a scalp today.

Sarah Palin has been the subject of vicious, vile attacks. Her family and key staff have all been driven to the verge of financial ruin by relentless legal attacks that are routinely thrown out, but still must be offended.

Her children are routinely attacked and turned into the butt of late night jokes by left wing comedians.

I’d want the target off my back and my kids’ backs too.

Sarah Palin will not be President in 2012. She will not run for President. She will not run for any elected office ever again.

The political pundits who are saying she couldn’t take the heat, so she got out of the kitchen, may have found a winning cliche to apply, but then no one has faced the heat Sarah Palin has been subjected to, largely at the hands of the political pundits now dragging out that cliche.

Of course, now she’ll be a great position to be a voice for the GOP, but with no further political ambitions, she’ll largely be able to mitigate attacks from opponents within the GOP.

UPDATE: To get a few people off the ledge and avoid some suicides around here, let me point out that this is my opinion of the situation given what we know.

I’m sure Sarah Palin is not done with politics, but I am equally sure she is done with elected politics. By removing all doubt that she is done with elected politics, she can be much more effective at helping other Republicans get into politics without overly ambitious potential 2012 rivals seeking to hurt her, her family, and those politicians she helps.

To pull out a favorite line of yesteryear, suck it up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 07:36:07 PM
This is a good day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 03, 2009, 07:38:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 07:26:26 PM
lol at redstate

Quote
On Sarah Palin

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Friday, July 3rd at 5:31PM EDT

22 Comments
Well, Nicolle Wallace, Andrew Sullivan, and the left can claim a scalp today.

Sarah Palin has been the subject of vicious, vile attacks. Her family and key staff have all been driven to the verge of financial ruin by relentless legal attacks that are routinely thrown out, but still must be offended.

Her children are routinely attacked and turned into the butt of late night jokes by left wing comedians.

I’d want the target off my back and my kids’ backs too.

Sarah Palin will not be President in 2012. She will not run for President. She will not run for any elected office ever again.

The political pundits who are saying she couldn’t take the heat, so she got out of the kitchen, may have found a winning cliche to apply, but then no one has faced the heat Sarah Palin has been subjected to, largely at the hands of the political pundits now dragging out that cliche.

Of course, now she’ll be a great position to be a voice for the GOP, but with no further political ambitions, she’ll largely be able to mitigate attacks from opponents within the GOP.

UPDATE: To get a few people off the ledge and avoid some suicides around here, let me point out that this is my opinion of the situation given what we know.

I’m sure Sarah Palin is not done with politics, but I am equally sure she is done with elected politics. By removing all doubt that she is done with elected politics, she can be much more effective at helping other Republicans get into politics without overly ambitious potential 2012 rivals seeking to hurt her, her family, and those politicians she helps.

To pull out a favorite line of yesteryear, suck it up.

Haha. Yeah, I'm sure NO ONE has been subjected to the scrutiny she has.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 03, 2009, 08:17:34 PM
How about the Clinton family? Oh, but that's ok because they were awful Democrats. I forgot.

And what? You mean he was president for two FULL TERMS and his wife is STILL IN THE POLITICAL SPOTLIGHT?

These people are idiots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 09:44:54 PM
Greta Van Susteren and John Ziegler are probably on a 24 hour suicide watch by now.  Oh what I'd pay to watch that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 09:44:54 PM
Greta Van Susteren and John Ziegler are probably on a 24 hour suicide watch by now.  Oh what I'd pay to watch that.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Qvu2aIRI4&fmt=18[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 03, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 07:36:07 PM
This is a good day.
I disagree. A Palin nomination would be an easy general election for Obama.

This is a good day for only one person, Mitt Romney. Yet another potential primary opponent of his has seemingly imploded.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2009, 12:27:27 AM
So would she have resigned from VP if McCain had won in November?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 04, 2009, 02:03:45 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 03, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 03, 2009, 07:36:07 PM
This is a good day.
I disagree. A Palin nomination would be an easy general election for Obama.

This is a good day for only one person, Mitt Romney. Yet another potential primary opponent of his has seemingly imploded.

I think she could still run and that the Republicans would still be stupid enough to give her the nomination.  I'm not letting me comedy dream ticket of Palin/Jindal die an early death just yet.  If she needs some time off to visit some far off distant land like Mexico and kill a condor from her jeep, then by all means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 04, 2009, 02:35:30 AM
she's not running in 2012. scuttlebutt sez MEGASCANDAL: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7280
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 04, 2009, 02:52:45 AM
:hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 04, 2009, 02:52:55 AM
I think that is a left wing fantasy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 04, 2009, 02:58:30 AM
willco: the white phoenixdark
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 04, 2009, 03:00:33 AM
I wish.

I think if there was really anything to this story, we would have heard about it awhile ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 04, 2009, 03:06:13 AM
A politically ambitious governor quitting their job apropos of nothing, with a wide open field looming in the next primary season, just doesn't happen.  Especially one who's been openly and actively courting national attention.  It's hard to explain without the prospect of a scandal.

Then again, flakiness and amateurism have defined the Palin experience so far.  If anyone would do this out of the blue, it would be her.  I doubt it though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 04, 2009, 03:12:22 AM
This is just Sarah Palin.  Even if there was a "looming" scandal, we're not talking until well after the holiday weekend - which is more than enough time to fly her spokeswoman to Alaska to deliver a well written resignation speech, followed up by a very coached-up Palin sometime in the future.

The fact that this speech was so haphazardly put together feels less like panic and more like silly Palin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 04, 2009, 03:13:58 AM
there's been rumblings about this particular scandal since her first hours as governor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 04, 2009, 03:20:58 AM
Again, even more reason why that makes no sense.  If the Feds were going to do anything, it'd be well after the holiday.  There's no reason to put together a poorly written, incoherent resignation speech in a hour or so, other than this is just Sarah Palin being Sarah Palin.

Not to mention, she gave no inclination from her speech that her intentions are to lay low.

I think this is a political gaffe and a poor move, but I don't think it's a panicked response to a possible indictment simply because there really is no urgency.

Also, if she truly believed a federal indictment was coming, this whole resignation speech would reek even more retroactively and she'd come across as a total liar.

I just don't think the scandal is there.  I think she couldn't take the political pressure and is being wacky Palin.
Title: Shorter format invented by Daniel Davies
Post by: Mandark on July 04, 2009, 03:28:05 AM
Shorter Willco:  "If a scandal were looming, this would be a stupid, rash, and amateurish way to handle it.  The more likely explanation is that there is no scandal and Palin is just being characteristically stupid, rash, and amateurish."

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 04, 2009, 03:31:14 AM
I'm trying to imitate Palin.  Meta joke total.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2009, 05:22:56 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on July 04, 2009, 02:58:30 AM
willco: the white phoenixdark

Wouldn't he be the black phoenixdark

I agree with Willco. This (ie the continual Palin indictment incoming! calls) is like the left's version of that racist Michelle Obama tape that'll be released any day now!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 04, 2009, 06:02:21 AM
So the scandal is that the contractor that built a Wasilla sports complex gave Palin a free house?  That's not very convincing because of the bank account fluctuations and the permits involved in buying/building a house.  The indictments would have probably come sooner.

However, it would be fucking awesome if the right-wing darling had some inexcusable shit like that happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 04, 2009, 09:41:00 AM
I doubt there is a scandal she is trying to hide. She is just a insanely egotistical wacko. She grew too big for her own job as governer and is tossing it aside to bask in the world of media thinking this will somehow help her in 2012. The thing is the republicans who do this Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich, Cheney...etc didn't run off in the middle of their term. This makes her seem like someone who can't handle the pressures of the job. This quitter stench will sink her in the primaries. Romney is easily the man to beat after all these candidates started imploded.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2009, 12:09:19 PM
It is hard to proclaim you're a victim of the omnipresent liberal machine up in Alaska.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 06, 2009, 01:35:51 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palin5-2009jul05,0,7018263.story

Tittybutts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2009, 01:51:08 AM
Called it.

She is just a bizarre narcissist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 06, 2009, 01:45:07 PM
 :(
Part of me wonders if she actually believes the shit coming out of her mouth.
I mean, does she really think the media is treating her differently or is she just fucking with us?
And now she wants to sue people for discussing her? I mean, she's so fucking out of touch with the world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2009, 01:57:34 PM
I really do think she's a narcissist, and I don't mean that as an insult, but as a clinical term to describe a personal who has a serious personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
So the left creamed over alleged Palin misconduct, spread it over non-legit and legit blogs/sites only for us to find out it's all bullshit, again? I'm shocked at this turn of events
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2009, 05:34:33 PM
Oh no, it's The Left (http://web.archive.org/web/20060304124308/norbizness.com/archives/000717.html)TM!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 06, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
Quote from: Willco on July 06, 2009, 01:57:34 PM
I really do think she's a narcissist, and I don't mean that as an insult, but as a clinical term to describe a personal who has a serious personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder).

Most attractive or even somewhat attractive women have this disorder.  I don't know why Palin would be the exception.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on July 07, 2009, 11:51:23 PM
http://www.palinis45.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2009, 12:51:21 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 08, 2009, 12:00:48 PM
Speculating about a possible incoming scandal wasn't rumormongering, it was trying to come up with a rational explanation for a dumb, half-insane act. The only mistake was forgetting that we're dealing with a dumb, half-insane person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 08, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
Quote from: Crushed on July 07, 2009, 11:51:23 PM
http://www.palinis45.com/
That made me curious to check on Hillaryis44. It has become basically FreeRepublic with articles praising John Boehner and congressional Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on July 08, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl435

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According to the nationwide poll, close to 67% of Republicans want Palin to be "a major national political figure" in the future. And 71% of them say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

(http://i32.tinypic.com/ve0oba.jpg)

Unexpected, if not surprising. Scary though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: lordmaji on July 08, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
I honestly don't know how people like Sarah Palin... she's a fucking joke. seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 08, 2009, 10:11:16 PM
That is 71% of less than half of the voting public so it isn't anything to be worried about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 08, 2009, 11:53:36 PM
Quote from: Akala on July 08, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl435

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According to the nationwide poll, close to 67% of Republicans want Palin to be "a major national political figure" in the future. And 71% of them say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

(http://i32.tinypic.com/ve0oba.jpg)

Unexpected, if not surprising. Scary though.

So 4% want the President to be something less than a major national political figure, lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 09, 2009, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Akala on July 08, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl435

Quote
According to the nationwide poll, close to 67% of Republicans want Palin to be "a major national political figure" in the future. And 71% of them say they would likely vote for her if she ran for president in 2012.

(http://i32.tinypic.com/ve0oba.jpg)

Unexpected, if not surprising. Scary though.
That is great news. You should be cheering this news. We should WANT the Republicans to nominate her. Her name is toxic among independents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2009, 12:33:10 PM
Won't be hard for anyone to beat Obama if the economy continues to tank!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on July 09, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Quietly:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070901998_pf.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070901998_pf.html)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul)

Saving political capital for Stimulus II: This Time We Read It. Coming September 2009.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 09, 2009, 11:43:40 PM
Reading it wasn't the issue last time. The issue was it wasn't enough money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 10, 2009, 12:42:55 AM
Money yanked by moderate Republicans, I might add.

Though I thought that Obama's administration was a bit shortsighted to wave around the ARRA like they did, given how so many economists warned it wouldn't be enough.

Best thing to do now is work the Health Care reform debate as a means of a second stimulus, by ensuring that small businesses can contain costs and retain workers, large businesses can invest in American workers without the fear of skyrocketing premiums, and rich people can just bend over and take it in the ass for a change like the country voted for in the last election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on July 10, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
Its never enough money though isn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 10, 2009, 12:53:19 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on July 10, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
Its never enough money though isn't it?

for the rich? apparently not, judging from their behavior.

They benefited disproportionately from the last two decades of economic policy. Taxing them to pay for health care is essentially a direct rebalancing between their skyrocketing income and wealth increases and the wage stagnation everyone else in the middle and lower classes are dealing with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on July 10, 2009, 01:52:29 AM
"God, why do you Democrats want to spend so much money on shit like the economy and healthcare!? *throws trillions of dollars at military contractors and the defense budget every year*"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 10, 2009, 02:54:40 AM
and don't forget big gubment is tuuuuuuuurible and scawy

...except when it deals with gay marriage, abortion, teen pregnancy, prayer in public schools, teaching intelligent design, prostitution, and marijuana

BUT OTHER THAN THAT THOUGH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2009, 04:44:58 AM
siamesedreamer seems to have, um, whatever you call the Midas touch when things turn to shit instead of gold.

Falls in love with Palin and she's out of a job within a year.

Falls in love with Mark Sanford and he's hiking the Appalachian trail.

Praises Newt Gingrich as a Man of Ideas, only to see Gingrich incinerated by a homofascist (http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Gingrich_Gay_Fascism/2008/11/18/152539.html), pagan (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/newt-gingrich-we-are-living-period-wher) space laser (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/05/gingrich-laser-fantasy/).

Lives in Georgia, and Georgia sucks (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/23094.html).

On the upside, he did save the bond market by predicting an imminent explosion in interest rates.  So he's got that going for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 10, 2009, 05:00:41 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2009, 04:44:58 AM
siamesedreamer seems to have, um, whatever you call the Midas touch when things turn to shit instead of gold.

You mean something like the 'kiss of death'?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2009, 05:45:46 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2009, 04:44:58 AM
siamesedreamer seems to have, um, whatever you call the Midas touch when things turn to shit instead of gold.

Falls in love with Palin and she's out of a job within a year.

Falls in love with Mark Sanford and he's hiking the Appalachian trail.

Praises Newt Gingrich as a Man of Ideas, only to see Gingrich incinerated by a homofascist (http://www.newsmax.com/politics/Gingrich_Gay_Fascism/2008/11/18/152539.html), pagan (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/newt-gingrich-we-are-living-period-wher) space laser (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/05/gingrich-laser-fantasy/).

Lives in Georgia, and Georgia sucks (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/23094.html).

On the upside, he did save the bond market by predicting an imminent explosion in interest rates.  So he's got that going for him.

Matt Ryan voids your entire post
Title: Matt Ryan's a child molester. It just hasn't come out yet.
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2009, 04:57:03 PM
JD: If I dig, I could quickly find posts of you jumping in my shit for suggesting that the defense budget could be heavily slashed.  "Oh no, it's one of the legitimate functions of the federal government!  We can't cut it!"

Of course, this is before Ron Paul turned you into a Bacevichesque anti-imperialist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 11, 2009, 09:43:08 AM
Obama today stated in his YouTube address that there will not be a second stimulus package that he doesn't want one. My guess is it is mostly due to health care, he much rather get a public option passed than a second stimulus and I really doubt he could get through both.

Time to change that avatar of yours sd.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2009, 01:47:56 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001918/  :lol

Is he trying to admit something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on July 11, 2009, 02:52:32 PM
hey look the f22 is a broken pile of military-industrial wank, who knew

Quote
The United States' top fighter jet, the Lockheed Martin F-22, has recently required more than 30 hours of maintenance for every hour in the skies, pushing its hourly cost of flying to more than $44,000, a far higher figure than for the warplane it replaces, confidential Pentagon test results show.

The aircraft's radar-absorbing metallic skin is the principal cause of its maintenance troubles, with unexpected shortcomings -- such as vulnerability to rain and other abrasion -- challenging Air Force and contractor technicians since the mid-1990s, according to Pentagon officials, internal documents and a former engineer.

While most aircraft fleets become easier and less costly to repair as they mature, key maintenance trends for the F-22 have been negative in recent years, and on average from October last year to this May, just 55 percent of the deployed F-22 fleet has been available to fulfill missions guarding U.S. airspace, the Defense Department acknowledged this week. The F-22 has never been flown over Iraq or Afghanistan.

...

"It is a disgrace that you can fly a plane [an average of] only 1.7 hours before it gets a critical failure" that jeopardizes success of the aircraft's mission, said a Defense Department critic of the plane who is not authorized to speak on the record. Other skeptics inside the Pentagon note that the planes, designed 30 years ago to combat a Cold War adversary, have cost an average of $350 million apiece and say they are not a priority in the age of small wars and terrorist threats.

...

A spokeswoman for Lockheed added that the F-22 has "unmatched capabilities, sustainability and affordability" and that any problems are being resolved in close coordination with the Air Force.

...

Darrol Olsen, a specialist in stealth coatings who worked at Lockheed's testing laboratory in Marietta, Ga., from 1995 to 1999, said the current troubles are unsurprising. In a lawsuit filed under seal in 2007, he charged the company with violating the False Claims Act for ordering and using coatings that it knew were defective while hiding the failings from the Air Force.

...

The plane's million-dollar radar-absorbing canopy has also caused problems, with a stuck hatch imprisoning a pilot for hours in 2006 and engineers unable to extend the canopy's lifespan beyond about 18 months of flying time. It delaminates, "loses its strength and finish," said an official privy to Air Force data.

In the interview, Ahern and Air Force Gen. C.D. Moore confirmed that canopy visibility has been declining more rapidly than expected, with brown spots and peeling forcing $120,000 refurbishments at 331 hours of flying time, on average, instead of the stipulated 800 hours.

...

When Gates decided this spring to spend $785 million on four more planes and then end production of the F-22, he also kept alive an $8 billion improvement effort. It will, among other things, give F-22 pilots the ability to communicate with other types of warplanes; it currently is the only such warplane to lack that capability.

...

One of the last four planes Gates supported buying is meant to replace an F-22 that crashed during a test flight north of Los Angeles on March 25, during his review of the program. The Air Force has declined to discuss the cause, but a classified internal accident report completed the following month states that the plane flew into the ground after poorly executing a high-speed run with its weapons-bay doors open, according to three government officials familiar with its contents. The Lockheed test pilot died.

Several sources said the flight was part of a bid to make the F-22 relevant to current conflicts by giving it a capability to conduct precision bombing raids, not just aerial dogfights. The Air Force is still probing who should be held accountable for the accident.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903020_4.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009071001019


but we need this for freedom :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2009, 03:11:15 PM
stick to the alien technology you losers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 11, 2009, 05:54:37 PM
The main thing you need for air-superiority is maneuverability and the F-15 was plenty well designed for that.  The F-22 is just a wargasm machine for the brass now though.

For the 141 F-22's that were built so far, if you fly them 300 hours a year at $44,000 an hour you end up with $2 billion dollars a year just to maintain those planes.  But we don't USE them for anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 11, 2009, 06:35:53 PM
won't anyone think of Michael Bay?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2009, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 11, 2009, 04:50:29 AM
If you go back enough years, maybe so.

Enough being two.

Quote from: JayDubya, April 2007
The current level of military spending is so high because we're in Iraq. Reduce it to pre-war levels, keep the military edge over China and Russia. Maintain R&D to maintain superiority, and at the same time reduce upkeep costs, fuel use, expense, and thus increase efficiency.

I'd say the timeline fits pretty well.  You're in favor of a giant-ass military budget until Doc Ron Paul gets to you with his bowdlerized Chomskyism.

Now why am I giving you crap for changing your mind?  There is a reason.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 12, 2009, 03:10:43 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31846807/ns/politics-more_politics/
Bristol's ex says that Palin had financial motivations of some sort for quitting in the hopes of securing his own book/movie deal.  Maybe he feels more confident now that Palin's getting out of politics?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2009, 03:33:29 AM
Why do I give a shit what he thinks? Oh wait

Quote
Johnston also is pursuing his own book deal. He is working as a carpenter while also pursuing a movie deal.

This is like soap opera levels of stupidity. Her book deal was on the table before the resignation, I'd imagine a reality tv show with her as governor would be pretty damn popular. Don't get me wrong - money was the main reason she left. But I don't need Bristol's ex to tell me that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 12, 2009, 06:55:52 PM
Yeah but to govern, you actually need to do some work in Juneau every once in a while.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on July 12, 2009, 09:18:49 PM
hey maurice, if there's ever a time to join the young republicans, it's now

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-06/new-gop-racist-headache/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-10/do-not-elect-a-racist/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsR3
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-10/the-gops-young-hatemonger/?cid=bsa:mostpopular1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2009, 11:15:28 PM
Only if I get to bang Meghan McCain. She's a black man's dream
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 13, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
Fuck you, I saw her first! :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 13, 2009, 11:50:42 PM
palin explained: http://www.alaskadispatch.com/palin-watch/1283-palin-how-she-gained-control-and-then-lost-it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 14, 2009, 01:59:44 AM
It's a fun read, but obviously slanted.

It's a four page version of what I've already said!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2009, 02:36:06 AM
Palin editorial (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/13/AR2009071302852.html) on carbon cap-and-trade.

It's the only time I can recall someone unironically deploying an exclamation point on the Washington Post op-ed page.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 14, 2009, 04:00:05 AM
I'm ignorant to the cap-and-trade bill, but will it bring about financial armageddon for the impoverished, as the Republicans say?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2009, 04:25:50 AM
I wonder who wrote it for her
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 14, 2009, 04:27:26 AM
I am pretty sure there is one guy that writes these things for Palin, Newt, Pat Buchanon, Bill Kristol, etc.

It all sounds the same.

We must find this man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 14, 2009, 06:04:59 AM
I bet she mostly wrote it herself.

The meandering structure, the shot at the "chattering class" and their "gossip", the energy "that God created right underfoot on American soil", the exclamation point (a total chick move).  There's a lot of Palin in that piece.

Kristol, or any store brand conservative polemicist, would have organized it better and inevitably used at least two of the following phrases: "oil shale", "reprocessed nuclear waste", "carbon sequestration", "cooling trend since 1998", and "Cuban offshore drilling".  Palin is sympatico with the talking points, but she doesn't have the attention span to memorize them.

For an example of something blatantly ghostwritten, check out "Mike Huckabee's" Foreign Policy piece (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/americas_priorities_in_the_war.html).  "Tsarist history is a case study in the struggle between westernizers and Slavophiles."  You said it, Huck.

Of course, I read Audacity of Hope cover to cover without realizing Bill Ayers wrote it (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/06/breakthrough_on_the_authorship_1.html).  So what do I know?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 14, 2009, 11:48:50 AM
Quote from: Crushed on July 11, 2009, 02:52:32 PM
hey look the f22 is a broken pile of military-industrial wank, who knew

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/09/AR2009070903020_4.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009071001019


but we need this for freedom :usacry

That's what happens when you go to Lockheed with your defense/aerospace needs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200907140002

Palin lied?  :omg

Makes me question her "God fearing" ways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 14, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 14, 2009, 06:04:59 AM


For an example of something blatantly ghostwritten, check out "Mike Huckabee's" Foreign Policy piece (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/12/americas_priorities_in_the_war.html).  "Tsarist history is a case study in the struggle between westernizers and Slavophiles."  You said it, Huck.


Mike Huckabee's knowledge of foreign countries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 14, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
looks like they finally found obama's kenya birth certificate:

(http://assets.236.com/images/photo2/3363/original/original.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2009, 10:07:30 PM
My roommates wanna see Obama hanged because he 'lied' to the entire country.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2009, 11:24:44 PM
Punch each and every one of them in the face for me and remind them that the republicans kept their education low to keep them stupid and ignorant.

or direct them to:
Factcheck.org
mediamatters.org

They just may punch themselves in the face instead.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 14, 2009, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 14, 2009, 10:07:30 PM
My roommates wanna see Obama hanged because he 'lied' to the entire country.  :'(

HANGED? :|
The only people we really hang are.... OH. :|
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 15, 2009, 12:10:43 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on July 14, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
looks like they finally found obama's kenya birth certificate:

http://assets.236.com/images/photo2/3363/original/original.jpg

That reminds me.  Screw your SAT, I scored a perfect 10 on the APGAR!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on July 16, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/15/caller-reduces-glenn-beck_n_233846.html

Glenn Beck meltdown :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 16, 2009, 02:02:15 PM
 :maf"GET OFF MY PHONE!!!":maf

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 03:30:18 PM
http://www.cincinnatusblog.com/myson/?gclid=CNPQ9I7n2psCFQydnAodd3rX-w


Just a nice little piece for all of you here on EB.  ;)

Have to say, I like the Churchhill quote, though it claims I have no heart.

Quote
“A man younger than 30 who’s not a liberal has no heart and a man older than 30 who’s not a conservative has no brain” - Winston Churchill.

But yea, 700 Billion from Bush. 800 Billion from Obama, and yet we are still losing a ton of jobs each month and the recession is still here. I thought all that spending and bailing out was going to fix things  :lol ::)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 16, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Fear mongering from a conservative site? I never would have guessed.
50 years from now you could talk to your grand kids about how fought against all the nice things they have now when you were younger.  ;)
You could say things like:

 "back in my day, we paid out the ass for health care."

"back in my day, I thought all those scientists were full of shit about climate change and was against the mean ol' government for putting carbon restrictions on companies to force them to get more efficient. Boy is my face red about that."

I would rather have my grand kids "saddled with debt" then have them live in a ruined, toxic environment.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 03:57:07 PM
Was listening to a Christian radio channel and the host was lambasting the health care overhaul. Kept complaining that because "3%" of the country need health care, Obama is gonna fuck it up for everyone else.

But if people like their current health care plan they can keep it right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 16, 2009, 03:58:15 PM
"3%"?  :lol

Yes, people can retain their health care.  A public option will only drive their costs down.

And - yes! - health insurance companies will lose money, but since when did we care about an industry that routinely fucks us over?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:00:29 PM
I just hope that all these poor people without healthcare (and those working without it) can afford it since if the current plan they are looking at passes those who dont purchase healthcare will be penalized for not buying. Wonder what kind of penalty there will be?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 16, 2009, 04:02:30 PM
Nice FUD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106677783

Currently yea, but doesn't Obama want a bill that doesn't mandate people (not talking about businesses) buy into the plan? The bill isn't final
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 16, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Fear mongering from a conservative site? I never would have guessed.
50 years from now you could talk to your grand kids about how fought against all the nice things they have now when you were younger.  ;)
You could say things like:

 "back in my day, we paid out the ass for health care."

"back in my day, I thought all those scientists were full of shit about climate change and was against the mean ol' government for putting carbon restrictions on companies to force them to get more efficient. Boy is my face red about that."

I would rather have my grand kids "saddled with debt" then have them live in a ruined, toxic environment.





Let me fix this.


Back in my day, we didn't have to wait 6 months to go to the doctor for a routine physical.

Back in my day, before the carbon credit tax was imposed on us, our light bills were only around 75-150 dollars a month instead of the 750 now. Too bad only the biggest companies around could survive and now have no competition whatsoever.

Back in my day, a coke was $1 to 1.35 for a bottle instead of $15 now.

I would honestly rather my grandkids be able to actually eat something besides ramen noodles and saltine crackers.

But hey, since you Liberals want to be so far in debt, why not pass a law and give you guys some of these services you so desperately want now and only you guys get to use them?  That way conservatives don't have to worry about it and you get what you want.

Or you could just give me your credit card/bank account info and I'll give you that debt you want for free. :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 04:13:33 PM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/smhrd3.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106677783

Currently yea, but doesn't Obama want a bill that doesn't mandate people (not talking about businesses) buy into the plan? The bill isn't final

Yea buying the public option isnt mandatory for what Obama wants, but that little bit about those that don't buy getting penalized isnt cool. Hopefully it gets removed from whatever plan that ends up passing. Also, the current plan on the table is being shown as raising costs instead of cutting, which was the whole point of this healthcare plan wasn't it?

But yes currently they are trying to rework bills due to republican and blue dog democrat opposition.  So this plan may end up totally scrapped.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 16, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
I get so frustrated reading babble like that - it's difficult for me to muster the energy to reply.  So I will wait for Mandark to do it for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:19:22 PM
Quote from: Willco on July 16, 2009, 04:14:38 PM
I get so frustrated reading babble like that - it's difficult for me to muster the energy to reply.  So I will wait for Mandark to do it for me.

typical democrat. lazy and wants someone else to do it for him. ;)

PD, thanks for the link, it has the penalty info I was looking for in it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 04:23:30 PM
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000003168293

So when the bill is revised for the billionth time and shows that it cuts costs, will you support it? I'm guessing the answer is no  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:24:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 04:23:30 PM
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000003168293

So when the bill is revised for the billionth time and shows that it cuts costs, will you support it? I'm guessing the answer is no  ;)


And you would likely be right, but it really depends on how the bill is worded and what it does in the end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2009, 04:28:05 PM
Where did you get any of those numbers from ganhyun?  Carbon tax is probably not going to have a significant effect on electricity costs since we'll probably be on a mostly nuclear grid by then.

And 2 liters can easily be bought for under a dollar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:30:54 PM
Hey, just noticed something in that link you sent me PD


Quote
The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee approved its draft bill Wednesday, and Christopher J. Dodd , D-Conn., the acting chairman of that panel, said his panel had reduced the initial price tag of its bill as estimated by the CBO. “I’m very confident we can meet the president’s goal of having a fully paid-for 10 year program on health care right around $1 trillion,” he said.

A while back, Shogun posted a CNN link estimating the price of this around a trillion or more and you guys laughed at him and said no way. Apparently Chris Dodd agrees with Shogun.


First part of the first reply to Shogun's post with the cnn link to the costs.


Quote from: Mandark on June 08, 2009, 05:26:41 PM
That looks like an outright lie.

Shogun vindicated.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2009, 04:30:58 PM
We'll make due with Ezra until our favorite jew returns
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/rules_for_commenting_on_the_cb.html

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 16, 2009, 04:28:05 PM
Where did you get any of those numbers from ganhyun?  Carbon tax is probably not going to have a significant effect on electricity costs since we'll probably be on a mostly nuclear grid by then.

And 2 liters can easily be bought for under a dollar.

To be honest, my reply to Zero was me talking out of my ass in a snarky way to him since he responded to me that way :)

Though I'm not sure how quick America will be to adopt nuclear power as the main source of electrical power.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 16, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Let me fix this.


Back in my day, we didn't have to wait 6 months to go to the doctor for a routine physical.

I don't get this complaint. Even if that manages to occur, last I checked, wasn't this a public option? If you hate the inefficient system run by the gubment, then can't you just simply go to one of the hundreds of private plans?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 16, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Let me fix this.


Back in my day, we didn't have to wait 6 months to go to the doctor for a routine physical.

I don't get this complaint. Even if that manages to occur, last I checked, wasn't this a public option? If you hate the inefficient system run by the gubment, then can't you just simply go to one of the hundreds of private plans?

Yes, currently I could. And I will keep my private plan, which is a good plan. :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 16, 2009, 05:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 16, 2009, 04:28:05 PM
Where did you get any of those numbers from ganhyun?  Carbon tax is probably not going to have a significant effect on electricity costs since we'll probably be on a mostly nuclear grid by then.

And 2 liters can easily be bought for under a dollar.

To be honest, my reply to Zero was me talking out of my ass in a snarky way to him since he responded to me that way :)

Though I'm not sure how quick America will be to adopt nuclear power as the main source of electrical power.

:pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 16, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 16, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Fear mongering from a conservative site? I never would have guessed.
50 years from now you could talk to your grand kids about how fought against all the nice things they have now when you were younger.  ;)
You could say things like:

 "back in my day, we paid out the ass for health care."

"back in my day, I thought all those scientists were full of shit about climate change and was against the mean ol' government for putting carbon restrictions on companies to force them to get more efficient. Boy is my face red about that."

I would rather have my grand kids "saddled with debt" then have them live in a ruined, toxic environment.





Let me fix this.


Back in my day, we didn't have to wait 6 months to go to the doctor for a routine physical.

Back in my day, before the carbon credit tax was imposed on us, our light bills were only around 75-150 dollars a month instead of the 750 now. Too bad only the biggest companies around could survive and now have no competition whatsoever.

Back in my day, a coke was $1 to 1.35 for a bottle instead of $15 now.

I would honestly rather my grandkids be able to actually eat something besides ramen noodles and saltine crackers.

But hey, since you Liberals want to be so far in debt, why not pass a law and give you guys some of these services you so desperately want now and only you guys get to use them?  That way conservatives don't have to worry about it and you get what you want.

Or you could just give me your credit card/bank account info and I'll give you that debt you want for free. :)

But Obama's proposals as part of the national debt are nothing compared to TARP, prescription drug benefit, Iraq war, and 6 years of Bush tax cuts. TARP is the only one of those things not to cost over a trillion dollars. Not to blame it all on Bush, but if the national debt is truly what destroys this country then only a fool would knee-jerk blame "liberals", whatever that is.

Never mind the secret tax that is skyrocketing health insurance premiums for the last 20-30 years.
Title: I'm so psyched I get to use this line now
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2009, 01:38:31 AM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
But hey, since you Liberals want to be so far in debt, why not pass a law and give you guys some of these services you so desperately want now and only you guys get to use them?  That way conservatives don't have to worry about it and you get what you want.

If you want things to be different, how about you guys win an election?


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Title: Re: I'm so psyched I get to use this line now
Post by: Ganhyun on July 17, 2009, 11:14:59 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 17, 2009, 01:38:31 AM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
But hey, since you Liberals want to be so far in debt, why not pass a law and give you guys some of these services you so desperately want now and only you guys get to use them?  That way conservatives don't have to worry about it and you get what you want.

If you want things to be different, how about you guys win an election?


A buncha smug smilies

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Rupublicans seem to be working on that ;)

Also, just a bit of food for thought:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_or_wrong_track


Also, just a poll on the healthcare issue:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/july_2009/49_oppose_health_care_reform_plan_46_favor_it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 17, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on July 16, 2009, 10:41:53 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 16, 2009, 03:55:18 PM
Fear mongering from a conservative site? I never would have guessed.
50 years from now you could talk to your grand kids about how fought against all the nice things they have now when you were younger.  ;)
You could say things like:

 "back in my day, we paid out the ass for health care."

"back in my day, I thought all those scientists were full of shit about climate change and was against the mean ol' government for putting carbon restrictions on companies to force them to get more efficient. Boy is my face red about that."

I would rather have my grand kids "saddled with debt" then have them live in a ruined, toxic environment.





Let me fix this.


Back in my day, we didn't have to wait 6 months to go to the doctor for a routine physical.

Back in my day, before the carbon credit tax was imposed on us, our light bills were only around 75-150 dollars a month instead of the 750 now. Too bad only the biggest companies around could survive and now have no competition whatsoever.

Back in my day, a coke was $1 to 1.35 for a bottle instead of $15 now.

I would honestly rather my grandkids be able to actually eat something besides ramen noodles and saltine crackers.

But hey, since you Liberals want to be so far in debt, why not pass a law and give you guys some of these services you so desperately want now and only you guys get to use them?  That way conservatives don't have to worry about it and you get what you want.

Or you could just give me your credit card/bank account info and I'll give you that debt you want for free. :)

But Obama's proposals as part of the national debt are nothing compared to TARP, prescription drug benefit, Iraq war, and 6 years of Bush tax cuts. TARP is the only one of those things not to cost over a trillion dollars. Not to blame it all on Bush, but if the national debt is truly what destroys this country then only a fool would knee-jerk blame "liberals", whatever that is.

Never mind the secret tax that is skyrocketing health insurance premiums for the last 20-30 years.

did you miss where I responded to AM Nintenho that this post was a snarky out of my ass post?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 17, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
More Rasmussen plz
Title: Re: I'm so psyched I get to use this line now
Post by: BlackMage on July 17, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 17, 2009, 01:38:31 AM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 16, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
But hey, since you Liberals want to be so far in debt, why not pass a law and give you guys some of these services you so desperately want now and only you guys get to use them?  That way conservatives don't have to worry about it and you get what you want.

If you want things to be different, how about you guys win an election?


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on July 17, 2009, 11:59:05 PM
:smug (http://jonpv.com/smug.php?url=http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.4860) click
Title: Re: I'm so psyched I get to use this line now
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2009, 04:36:13 AM
Rasmussen.   :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2009, 01:13:55 PM
Mandark isn't even bothering with replies at this point.  This is how bad things have gotten.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 18, 2009, 01:29:25 PM
rasmussen (tm): a matt drudge (c) production
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2009, 03:52:54 PM
u mad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2009, 02:39:57 PM
Ganhyun

Quote
Washington, D.C. -- The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released estimates this evening confirming for the first time that H.R. 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act, is deficit neutral over the 10-year budget window – and even produces a $6 billion surplus. CBO estimated more than $550 billion in gross Medicare and Medicaid savings. More importantly, the bill includes a comprehensive array of delivery reforms to set the stage for lowering the future growth in health care costs.

Net Medicare and Medicaid savings of $465 billion, coupled with the $583 billion revenue package reported today by the House Committee on Ways and Means, fully finance the previously estimated $1.042 trillion cost of reform, which will provide affordable health care coverage for 97% of Americans.

"This fulfills the strong commitment of the President and House leadership to enact health reform on a deficit-neutral basis," said Chairman Henry A. Waxman, Chairman Charles B. Rangel, and Chairman George Miller. "The reforms included in this legislation will help control health care costs and expand access to quality, affordable coverage to all Americans in a fiscally-responsible manner."
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
PWNED
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on July 19, 2009, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2009, 02:39:57 PM
Ganhyun

Quote
Washington, D.C. -- The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released estimates this evening confirming for the first time that H.R. 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act, is deficit neutral over the 10-year budget window – and even produces a $6 billion surplus. CBO estimated more than $550 billion in gross Medicare and Medicaid savings. More importantly, the bill includes a comprehensive array of delivery reforms to set the stage for lowering the future growth in health care costs.

Net Medicare and Medicaid savings of $465 billion, coupled with the $583 billion revenue package reported today by the House Committee on Ways and Means, fully finance the previously estimated $1.042 trillion cost of reform, which will provide affordable health care coverage for 97% of Americans.

"This fulfills the strong commitment of the President and House leadership to enact health reform on a deficit-neutral basis," said Chairman Henry A. Waxman, Chairman Charles B. Rangel, and Chairman George Miller. "The reforms included in this legislation will help control health care costs and expand access to quality, affordable coverage to all Americans in a fiscally-responsible manner."
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/104xx/doc10464/hr3200.pdf

I saw this on GAF. Where does it say a surplus of $6 billion? All I see is the +$239 billion net change.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25104.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25104.html)

Read further in the link and you'll see they're trying to pretend away significant costs:

Quote
In the bill, Democrats provide $245 billion to eliminate an annual shortfall in payments to doctors under Medicare. Democrats resolved this annual headache, in large part, to win crucial support for the bill from the American Medical Association. That money currently counts against the overall costs of the bill, but Democrats have introduced legislation that would remove this obligation from federal deficit. However, CBO won't recognize that change until those new pay-as-you-go rules become law.

Funny, I remember the same people being upset that Bush pretended away Iraq costs.


RE: Cap and Trade

I've read that the bill gives away 83% of all credits and that's why the projected consumer cost increases are negligible. Anyone else see that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on July 19, 2009, 04:16:01 PM
the owner of Free Republic proposes that all conservatives marching into washington and dissolving the government to depose the Kenyan Imposter B. Hussein Osama (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2295624/posts)

(http://j.photos.cx/51ee868d2c026fadac35dc3637b0125c8bc05923-32e.jpg)

that's him in the middle, the head of the imminent million rascal scoot

freep immediately cries that they should all bring their guns for the start of the armed resistance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 19, 2009, 05:52:21 PM
I still LOL whenever I hear chickenhawk Republicans whine about the deficits, while fervently supporting huge deficits since Reagan.  Also interesting that the only president to achieve a surplus was a Democrat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2009, 04:44:22 AM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on July 19, 2009, 04:14:34 PM
Read further in the link and you'll see they're trying to pretend away significant costs:

Funny, I remember the same people being upset that Bush pretended away Iraq costs.

sd:  Har-dee-har-har.  You, of all people, do not want this to turn into a discussion of who's acted hypocritical.  Don't think your occasional fig-leaf criticisms of Bush -- for whom you voted twice, no? -- will keep anyone from pointing out the same thing T EXP just nailed you with.


For the rest of you, a teaching moment!

The $245 billion outlay (the difference between adding $239b to the deficit or shaving $6b off of it) goes towards fees paid to doctors through Medicare.  It is a long-term fix for a problem that's been temporarily patched over several times already.

For whatever reason, the laws and formulas that determine how much Medicare pays physicians are spitting out low numbers, so that there would be a pretty sharp cut and in turn many doctors might stop taking Medicare patients.

Last year they passed a bill to temporarily keep the current rates and put off the ~10% cut.  There was a similar bill in 2006 which passed with big bipartisan support, and I think at least one in Bush's first term.

So the $245 billion over ten years represents how much more the government would be paying compared to the formulas as they're currently projected.  It does not represent the increase over what we've actually been spending over the last decade.

I understand why the CBO included it.  It's coming out of the same committee right now and hasn't been attached to the PAYGO bill.  But it's not a plank of the healthcare reform plan.  This was going to happen anyway, just like it happened three times before this decade.



It's emblematic of the way Congress abetted the Bush admin in fudging numbers and shirking responsibility.

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars, cuts to the income tax, exemptions for the estate tax, and the AMT patches were all handled basically the same way:  pass a temporary solution (sometimes annually), keep it off the books to make the long-term accounts look better, and kick it down the road.

Now we have a president who's supporting a permanent-ish solution to this issue, while focusing on making his health reform package revenue-neutral, following a Republican who had three initiatives of similar or higher cost which were completely unfunded and the GOP starts bitching about deficits and financial chicanery?  Now?

Come the fuck on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 20, 2009, 06:40:30 PM
Is the GOP's core health care argument going to be that people actually like their health care coverage (and don't want any changes) now that there's an option out there that is scored up to be very affordable?

I mean, I have great employer coverage but I detest it. Mostly because it is tied to my employment, and somewhat because I know that if there was a medical calamity in the household I'd still probably be out tens of thousands of dollars after all the dust settled.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 20, 2009, 07:31:38 PM
Health insurance should not be a cash cow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 21, 2009, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: Willco on July 20, 2009, 07:31:38 PM
Health insurance should not be a cash cow.

Because?
Because profiting off the illness of others is morally reprehensible. Denying care is even worse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2009, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 21, 2009, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: Willco on July 20, 2009, 07:31:38 PM
Health insurance should not be a cash cow.
Because?

Because they're rent-seekers.

The profit motive doesn't drive them to innovate or improve services, products, or delivery.  It makes them seek out clients who will pay more in premiums than they use in coverage.

The failings of the human body being what they are, that means seeking out the young and healthy while denying coverage to the old and sick, ie those who need it.  Individual insurance markets are a nightmare for anyone over 40 whose patient history isn't up to David Dunn (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0005177/)'s standard.

The only way to keep those people covered is through pooling.  So you get things like fraternal insurance and later health care through employers.  But that puts small businesses at a disadvantage, and the big companies only play along thanks to federal subsidies or union pressure.

A purely free market system of health insurance based on individual negotiation would be dysfunctional, with tons of people lacking coverage and companies heading into adverse selection death spirals.

If you want to argue that private insurance is the only moral choice because we've all been gifted with the Natural Rights to Contract and Property by YHWH or Equivalent, by all means go ahead.  "It's so terrible that things are this bad, but we have to stick to our principles."  Something like that.

But this is one area where you can't argue the power of the market, where self-interest doesn't translate to more efficient results.  The market outcome is worse than the social democratic one by any criteria.  That's just how it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2009, 01:05:03 PM
Well said.

Also, nice Unbreakable reference!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2009, 01:33:17 PM
[youtube=560,345]iPF9-o-YHGM[/youtube]

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on July 21, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
No more additional F-22s.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/21/senate.f22/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2009, 03:47:19 PM
There's a difference between making living wages equal to your peers and the quality of health provided, and getting rich off of the health of others.

The latter is morally reprehensible.  If you can't see that, then there's probably no hope for you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
Again, you're talking about practitioners and not health insurance companies.  As stated, nobody is really against medical physicians making a wage from practicing.

But health insurance companies, health care manufacturers and suppliers have been price gouging the average American for decades.  It's not only morally reprehensible - it isn't even sustainable!

I know some conservatives quote the party line that the world's elite and wealthy come to our country for the best medical care and that in itself should highlight the problem here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2009, 05:33:59 PM
It makes sense for practitioners, along with pharma researchers and equipment makers, to have some kind of profit motive.  You want a certain amount of doctors, along with improving drugs and machines.

But the incentives aren't necessarily aligned for better care or cost control.  That's why you get physicians behaving like they were in that Atul Gawande article Prole posted a while back, drug companies making superfluous changes to their more profitable molecules, and a shrinking pool of overworked general practitioners.

This just isn't the Econ 101 widget economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2009, 06:29:02 PM
Chris Matthews is tearing apart of this Congressman who is co-sponsoring a bill to make Presidential nominees provide proof of American citizenship on Hardball.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

I can't wait 'till this gets uploaded on Huffington Post - this guy is rambling incoherently! :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2009, 08:24:23 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/21/756073/-GOP-congressman-has-birther-meltdown-on-Hardball
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
but that birth certificate was made in 2001!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 21, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
HOW CAN A BLACK MAN BE BORN IN THESE WHITE UNITED STATES. IT IS JUST TOO WEIRD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2009, 11:20:16 PM
The idiocy doesn't even stand out for me in that clip, I'm so numb to it.

What surprises me is how Campbell lets Matthews speak for so long without interrupting or talking over him.  I thought everybody in Congress had been schooled on basic cable etiquette, but he just got steamrolled for a solid minute.


edit:  Okay, watched to the end.  "This bill is not about Barack Obama."  The sheer chutzpah is almost admirable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 22, 2009, 12:34:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
but that birth certificate was made in 2001!



Hasn't it been verified that Hawaii state officials have the original document in their possession?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2009, 03:06:35 AM
Quote from: Willco on July 22, 2009, 12:34:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2009, 08:47:47 PM
but that birth certificate was made in 2001!



Hasn't it been verified that Hawaii state officials have the original document in their possession?
stfu

[youtube=560,345]gDlzSQcRoPg[/youtube]
:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2009, 03:22:44 AM
[youtube=560,345]pMu6wCqdeyQ[/youtube]
no words  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 22, 2009, 03:41:42 AM
oh sweet god
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 22, 2009, 03:42:19 AM
Universal healthcare will be the doom of us all!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 22, 2009, 10:43:06 AM
My take on religo-cons is this:

Love thy neighbor as thyself. Unless he doesn't have good health insurance and gets sick which makes him declare bankruptcy and loses his house. Which then sits on the market for a long time only to be bought at a much lower price which lowers the property value of my house, but fuck 'em.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 22, 2009, 10:55:17 AM
I went to a Local Sub place yesterday and I couldn't afford to pay for my lunch so I turned to the guy behind me and told him that it was his responsibility to pay because it would make everyones quality of life better if he bought me lunch because I really needed it.

So really I was doing him a favor.

I'm such a good citizen.  :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on July 22, 2009, 11:06:47 AM
Are you really comparing a sandwich to the health of a human being? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 22, 2009, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on July 22, 2009, 11:06:47 AM
Are you really comparing a sandwich to the health of a human being? ???

Are you suggesting that I can serve society without food? Shame on you. Why are you so greedy? Stop being selfish and start paying for my lunch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 22, 2009, 12:10:37 PM
Because ~60% of personal bankruptcies are caused by sandwich costs  ::) But I guess it all depends on what your definition of "need" is
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on July 22, 2009, 01:43:02 PM
It's funny because he thinks he is making a good analogy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 22, 2009, 02:36:22 PM
actually it's not funny, it just shows how libertarians lack a functional amygdala -- it's actual social distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on July 22, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
:lol i wish healthcare cost the same as a $5 footlong, i really do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 22, 2009, 05:55:42 PM
I think its a poor analogy because you choose to go into a sub place with no money.  Who chooses to get in a car wreck that mangles their body and requires years of rehabilatation?  This girl I knew at work has faulty ovaries.  She wanted to look into procedures that would help here get preggers.  But her insurance wouldn't cover it because it was a pre-existing condition.  Its a goddam racket.

Lately I've been more receptive to letting some segments of the market being allowed to die for their stupidity and stubborness. Albeit regulation is still needed to protect the average consumer. They don't know how or don't have the time to research every publicly available datapoint about a company or product.

But- the fact that the Medical and Legal practices are profit driven undermines what are basic services necessary for a healthy and productive society.  Some things should not be in the hands of businessmen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2009, 09:12:08 PM
Good analogy or not, clearly FoC has framed the issue for us.
Title: recursive's theory of random conservatarian capitalization strikes again!
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2009, 11:54:53 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 22, 2009, 10:55:17 AM
I went to a Local Sub place yesterday and I couldn't afford to pay for my lunch so I turned to the guy behind me and told him that it was his responsibility to pay because it would make everyones quality of life better if he bought me lunch because I really needed it.

So really I was doing him a favor.

I'm such a good citizen.  :D

Wait.  You're still young.

Over the course of your lifetime, what percentage of your food have you paid for?  Your clothes?  Your education?

No way the answer to any of those is even half.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 23, 2009, 12:58:20 AM
I'll LOL if FOC is on welfare a few years from now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 23, 2009, 04:15:02 AM
Did he really compare healthcare to Subway?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 11:45:18 AM
you have no actual rights, period, save what society -- and by extension, the government -- choose to grant you, so your whole line of reasoning is moot
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 23, 2009, 12:54:19 PM
(http://shadoka.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/the-sopranos-silvio-tony-paulie.jpg)

Quote from: Professor Prole on July 23, 2009, 11:45:18 AM
you have no actual rights, period, save what society -- and by extension, the government -- choose to grant you, so your whole line of reasoning is moot

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 23, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
We've come so far as a human race and yet liberals think we still live under mob rule and not the rule of law.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 23, 2009, 01:52:19 PM
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/obama-witchdoctor-muck.jpg)
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 01:52:56 PM
so who gives these rights that others must respect

if they are invisible and have no clear manifestation, i presume i must simply believe they exist, and that we must all share in that belief

this is sounding a lot like religion to me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 23, 2009, 01:58:48 PM
No, at least religion contains some supernatural being for folks to hide behind to give them innate rights.

Lolbertopians are just weirdos that wish to demand certain innate things ipso facto.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 01:59:44 PM
magical thinking is magical!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on July 23, 2009, 02:08:08 PM
manacint- they always have Supply Side Jesus to believe in. And they have also canonized Milton Friedman, whose ideas have now thankfully relegated to the ash pile of history.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 23, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
Don't forget St. Reagan!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
really. what are these rights.

(i'd argue YOU have no place discussing rights until you've read locke and rousseau for a nice compare and contrast, which may help you break out of your magical thinking)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 06:16:03 PM
"If you take the tack that they don't exist at all, the word should never cross your lips and you have no real argument for intervening in healthcare, to boot."

possibly the stupidest thing ever said in the endless internet natural rights vs social contracts debate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 23, 2009, 06:26:09 PM
I am pretty sure since our founding fathers had wooden teeth and used leeches that modern healthcare didn't cross their mind as a right at the creation of our country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
Well certainly not for coloreds
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 23, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
These "rights" aren't innate and they aren't real.  It's not like we have a "rights" gene in our DNA.  "Human rights" were are ARE created by, duh, humans.  You think back when the Neolithic Age started, humans all of a sudden were like "well shit, that other tribes woman is already taken, guess I'll refrain from taking action..."?  Not until the apostles in early Judaism did the notion of "human rights" get invented.

Human rights don't exist.  They are, though, crucial to humanity's development.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 23, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
Here's my solution.

If you do not believe education, healthcare and basic human services are worth pitching in for, we'll jettison you to the moon where you can create a perfect society based on your ideals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 23, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
You can't point at some genes and say that they give you certain "human" rights.  You are biologically identical to the mass murderers 5,000 years ago.

The most important step in making civil, democratic societies is the advancement of technology.  Self-preservation is easy today, so now we can focus on making ourselves happier by looking for the most "fair" system possible.  It was Malthus and Darwin that figured out that we still breed more than we can support like any other animal in the evolutionary hope of PHYSICALLY adapting to our habitats, which is what lead to our exponential population growth.

We have a mental control of our society, but there's very little if any sort physical control of our destructive natures.

Anyways yeah..uh, screw health insurance companies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 23, 2009, 07:45:00 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on July 23, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
really. what are these rights.

(i'd argue YOU have no place discussing rights until you've read locke and rousseau for a nice compare and contrast, which may help you break out of your magical thinking)

You can argue what you like, you're just wrong, and where Locke and Rousseau differ, so is Rousseau.

we need a :hurpdurp emoticon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 23, 2009, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: jaydubya, true believer!
Quote from: BrandNew on July 23, 2009, 07:07:29 PM
These "rights" aren't innate and they aren't real.  It's not like we have a "rights" gene in our DNA.

No, but due to our biological characteristics (which as I understand are somewhat influenced by our genetics ;)) we do possess them, as would other sapient beings should we ever meet them.

Freedom of, say, expression is as fundamental a property of our existence as being obligate oxygen-breathers.

Quote
"Human rights" were are ARE created by, duh, humans.  You think back when the Neolithic Age started, humans all of a sudden were like "well shit, that other tribes woman is already taken, guess I'll refrain from taking action..."?  Not until the apostles in early Judaism did the notion of "human rights" get invented.

Rights can exist just fine while being routinely violated, or in the absence of a society that protects them; indeed, that is the framework for any sort of moral claim about such situations, or the impetus that drives the formation of a society that actually will protect them.

Quote
Human rights don't exist.  They are, though, crucial to humanity's development.

This is going to end up like a discussion about free will.  Some things simply are, or are not; and then of course there's those things we can't know but it's just objectively better, in a pseudo-Pascal's-wager-sort-of-way, to proceed as if they are.

please prove these "rights" exist

when you're done, please also defend the existence of god in the affirmative
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 23, 2009, 11:02:56 PM
The Constitution, God's most sacred parchment, proves that these rights are very real.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Bebpo on July 23, 2009, 11:22:17 PM
Quote from: Willco on July 23, 2009, 08:58:57 PM
Here's my solution.

If you do not believe education, healthcare and basic human services are worth pitching in for, we'll jettison you to the moon where you can create a perfect society based on your ideals.

Isn't the ocean closer?
They can form the new Atlantis!

...or drown /whistles away
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 23, 2009, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 23, 2009, 07:52:55 PM
No, but due to our biological characteristics (which as I understand are somewhat influenced by our genetics ;)) we do possess them, as would other sapient beings should we ever meet them.
:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 24, 2009, 01:50:44 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 23, 2009, 09:21:36 PM
You can't point at some genes and say that they give you certain "human" rights.  You are biologically identical to the mass murderers 5,000 years ago.

The most important step in making civil, democratic societies is the advancement of technology.  Self-preservation is easy today, so now we can focus on making ourselves happier by looking for the most "fair" system possible.  It was Malthus and Darwin that figured out that we still breed more than we can support like any other animal in the evolutionary hope of PHYSICALLY adapting to our habitats, which is what lead to our exponential population growth.

We have a mental control of our society, but there's very little if any sort physical control of our destructive natures.

Anyways yeah..uh, screw health insurance companies.

 :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2009, 10:40:26 AM
Well, we got to the inevitable phase of all JD arguments.  How long did that take?  Anyone keeping time?

I'll probably waste a lot of time later writing a Serious Bizness post, but for now all I gotta say is that this

Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 09:25:02 AM
My solution is that if you don't find these truths to be self-evident, you're not part of "We," and as such you're welcome to STFU&GTFO of the nation founded by said "We."

is particularly hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 24, 2009, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 24, 2009, 10:40:26 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 09:25:02 AM
My solution is that if you don't find these truths to be self-evident, you're not part of "We," and as such you're welcome to STFU&GTFO of the nation founded by said "We."

is particularly hilarious.

I think he was specifically replying to willco's comment
Quote
If you do not believe education, healthcare and basic human services are worth pitching in for, we'll jettison you to the moon where you can create a perfect society based on your ideal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on July 24, 2009, 12:33:01 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 09:25:02 AM
context matters

context matters?  That's funny.  I thought that as Libertarians we were supposed to remove certain documents from their specific con-text in order to deify them, present them as timeless truths, and sanctimoniously disregard any conflicting information that might serve to oppose those documents as they arise over the course of history.  Help plz, as a Libertarian I get really anxious when presented with ambiguous data.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 24, 2009, 02:39:53 PM
a Post-modernist who espouses authorial intent?  Who?  I'm asking seriously.  Every literary critic I would ever consider post-modernist has veered away from authorial intent, even looking all the way back to the New Critics. 

Also I don't follow political threads so closely that I would know what it is that you've argued in the past.  I don't find it surprising that you advocate for contextual analysis in some places, but my point is that as a Libertarian you must, by necessity, ignore it in others.  Literally every time you espouse "inalienable rights" as the foundation for a political argument, for instance, you've chosen an abstract a-historical principle over the contextual reality of any given situation. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 24, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
And then there's the fucktards that try to screw with the meaning of "well-regulated militia..."
well how the fuck do you interpret something as a "militia"?

besides thousands of people die every year from guns that are technologically beyond the scope of anything those wig-heads could imagine.  we have to seriously weigh the pragmatic value of the 2nd amendment and as I see it, that amendment hasn't really been used since the civil war.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 24, 2009, 03:45:54 PM
I misread it as you explaining what a postmodernist approach was; "a post-modernist approach in favor of author's intent".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 24, 2009, 03:49:12 PM
yes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 24, 2009, 03:49:20 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 03:40:27 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 24, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
And then there's the fucktards that try to screw with the meaning of "well-regulated militia..."
well how the fuck do you interpret something as a "militia"?
besides thousands of people die every year from guns that are technologically beyond the scope of anything those wig-heads could imagine.  we have to seriously weigh the pragmatic value of the 2nd amendment and as I see it, that amendment hasn't really been used since the civil war.
Pragmatic?  It's always "pragmatic" to limit personal liberty.  Liberty is dangerous and disruptive.
Yes exactly, you can have too much liberty.

If in a hundred years they invent an invisible undetectable automatic handgun, I don't think the general public should have the LIBERTY to go out and fill their trunk with those and then go around and sell them at a gun show in a ghetto city.  I can forgive the constitution's authors for putting in a law that technically might allow that though.  They could not forsee the advances that come in 2 hundred years.  Hell, they would have probably been terrified by rifling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 24, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
I'm giving an extreme example.  The 2nd amendment allows you to have so much "liberty" that you can easily steal from or even rape or kill the average person without any problem because hey, you have a gun and they most likely do not.

Unless you think the average person should be  in some sort of Big 5 arms race or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 24, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
I can't tell if you are being serious or not  :-[. Wouldn't that umbrella definition include "arms" such as nuclear and biological weapons as well?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 24, 2009, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on July 24, 2009, 03:57:48 PM
I can't tell if you are being serious or not  :-[. Wouldn't that umbrella definition include "arms" such as nuclear and biological weapons as well?

IIRC, the NRA successfully lobbied against a law that would have required trace chemicals be placed in high-grade explosives after the OKC bombing as they felt it violated the 2nd ammendment. So yes, they are that crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 25, 2009, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 24, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
I'm giving an extreme example.  The 2nd amendment allows you to have so much "liberty" that you can easily steal from or even rape or kill the average person without any problem because hey, you have a gun and they most likely do not.

You can do that with a knife.  Or a moderately pointy stick.  Or by just being strong and / or knowing a martial art.  I'm not sure why you feel this is valid.  Liberty can be abused, yes - that does not make a police state preferable.
If you walk down the street with a knife or a moderately pointy stick you will be arrested, you can actually get a concealed carry permit for handguns but that's the best thing about it to criminals, that it's so easily concealed..I'm personally fine with people owning small arms as long as it's not a handgun or automatic.
Title: It all makes sense now.
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2009, 01:57:40 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 24, 2009, 12:45:30 PM
I've argued repeatedly that historical context matters quite a bit in terms of reading a ratified governmental document, entirely eschewing a post-modernist approach in favor of author's intent."

If the dude writing "cruel and unusual" and the dudes signing the thing think hanging is a-okay, it certainly ain't unusual, and it wasn't regarded as cruel.

Ergo the second amendment only provides for the possession of muskets and flintlock pistols.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2009, 02:14:13 AM
Look, if we're going to be originalists, let's not half-ass this.

Also, state and municipal governments get to pass as many onerous restrictions on speech and weaponry as they want, since incorporation wasn't an original feature of the document.

Wheeeeeeeeeee blasphemy laws!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2009, 04:08:18 AM
You seem to be missing the point, so I'll spell it out.

You have said repeatedly that the document should be strictly interpreted according to the intent of the founders.

But we know that there were blasphemy laws on the books in those days.  Apparently the founders didn't think the first amendment provided either free speech or religious protections that would make these unconstitutional.

So this is the point at which you explain to us why either:

1) blasphemy laws are actually okay

or

2) they violate our God-given rights, but even so we still need to stick with the original interpretation and prevent judges from changing it


You don't have to explain this if you don't want to, but I'd highly recommend it if you want to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2009, 08:35:13 PM
http://www.robmacdougall.org/index.php/2008/11/american-for-a-day/

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And that sounds really familiar. Being a Canadian living in America, Bercovitch said, was like being Sancho Panza in a nation of Don Quixotes. There was a secret everybody knew but him, a music everybody else but him could hear. Remember, Sancho Panza is Quixote’s pragmatic sidekick. Sancho knows that Quixote is delusional and deranged–where Quixote sees giants, Sancho sees only windmills–but he comes to envy his master’s world of enchantment.

“We’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check,” said Martin Luther King Jr. at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. It was a prosaic beginning to the most beloved speech of the twentieth century, reducing American history’s greatest crime and moral dilemma to a matter of bookkeeping: “a check which has come back marked ‘insufficient funds.’” King went on:

    When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence,  they were signing a promissory note … a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

And here Sancho or Sacvan whispers to the guy standing next to him, “Were they? Really? If we went back in time and asked the architects of the republic–Jefferson and Madison and Washington and the rest–did you mean for this to apply to your slaves too, would they agree? And what about women? And the Sioux and Apache, and Chinese railroad laborers, and Jews from eastern Europe, and Mexican migrant laborers, and detainees at Guantanamo, and gay couples in California that want to get married, if we asked the founding fathers, they’d agree that they want all these inalienable rights to apply to them too, right? Because it would have saved a lot of trouble if they’d spelled all this out in 1789.”

The black belt rhetorical jiu jitsu of the “I Have A Dream” speech is that King pulls it off. He convinced the better part of a nation that dismantling segregation was not so scary, not so radical, but really what they’d all meant to do all along. They just hadn’t gotten around to it, like the laundry I need to sort, or those slaves Jefferson never quite got to freeing. You can fault King for making it sound too easy, for not holding anyone’s feet to the fire, but that was a tactic, and (for a time) it worked.

And this is an old and hallowed American trick. On July 4th, 1852, Frederick Douglass blistered the ears of his white audience with prophesy–and the nineteenth century knew that prophesy is not fortune telling, but judgment:

    Your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery … mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy … a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages.

Strong stuff for a Fourth of July picnic! But by the end of the very same speech, Douglass reveals that, “interpreted as it ought to be interpreted,” the Constitution is in fact “a GLORIOUS LIBERTY DOCUMENT.” He embraces and celebrates the Constitution as a bulwark against slavery. Without it, Douglass concludes, “the liberty of an American citizen would be as insecure as that of a Frenchman.” (Zing.) Abolishing slavery, Douglass asserts, is simply a matter of living up to the ideals Americans have already always embraced. (Again: Really? In 1852?)

At Seneca Falls in 1848, Elizabeth Cady Stanton cribbed Jefferson’s words for her Declaration of Rights and Sentiments, the intimation being that “of course” the patriarchs of 1776 must have intended equal rights for women. In Omaha in 1892, the magnificent crank Ignatius Donnelly insisted that Populism was nothing more than strict adherence to the Constitution, restoring the Republic to the “plain people” with whom it had supposedly began. And so on and so on down through history, with every kind of American reformer looking backward to move forward, couching their goals as nothing more radical than America’s alleged founding ideals.

He couches it as an American thing, but you could swap out the Constitution for, say, the Bible, or Marx, or the Emperor, and you'd have a template for the rhetoric of all kinds of reform movements throughout history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 26, 2009, 07:28:48 PM
b-b-b-b-but slavery jaybubya. That alone makes the constitution less than toilet paper.

amiright?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 26, 2009, 08:20:51 PM
you have limits on freedom of speech so that you can't (even indirectly) hurt other people.  why should there not be much more strict limitations on a concealable killing tool?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 27, 2009, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 26, 2009, 07:21:07 AM
I'm not going to keep letting you shoehorn me into passing some sort of purity test every time we talk; whether you take things seriously or not is up to you.

That's just how they work JayDubya. For the most part, if your view isn't the same as what their opinion is then you are an idiot and your opinion is not worth shit to them.  You are instantly relegated to:

If said person posts on said subject:
1. laugh and call Lolbertarian/Replubitard/etc
2. ignore their views and points
3. laugh off any source that isn't Huffington Post or MSNBC
4. repeat over and over until person gives up


But this thread has taken a turn. Like Obama's poll numbers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on July 27, 2009, 02:37:17 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on July 27, 2009, 02:25:41 PM

But this thread has taken a turn. Like Obama's poll numbers.


Hahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 27, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Quote
If said person posts on said subject:
1. laugh and call liberal/lefty loser/etc
2. ignore their views and points
3. laugh off any source that isn't fox news or some right wing nutbag
4. repeat over and over until person gives up

It works both ways but what you just did was a typical republican tactic, act a certain way and then criticize your opponent for doing the exact same thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 27, 2009, 03:07:05 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 27, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Quote
If said person posts on said subject:
1. laugh and call liberal/lefty loser/etc
2. ignore their views and points
3. laugh off any source that isn't fox news or some right wing nutbag
4. repeat over and over until person gives up

It works both ways but what you just did was a typical republican tactic, act a certain way and then criticize your opponent for doing the exact same thing.

When have I ever laughed off your news sources? (I seriously don't recall doing so) Seriously dude, you been eating too many blue pills again?

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/ganhyun/bluepill2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 27, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
Democratic blue pills :drool

I just stated that it works both ways, I wasn't singling you out that you do those things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 27, 2009, 04:17:13 PM
there is no other pill to take, so swallow the one that made you ill
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 27, 2009, 05:23:04 PM
[youtube=560,345]uGQF8LAmiaE[/youtube]

Keep believing whatever you want to believe.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2009, 09:09:47 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001982/

what the hell  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
dear christ, if ganhyun posts that fucking blue pill one more goddamned time I'm going to defecate a puppy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: BlackMage on July 27, 2009, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 27, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
dear christ, if ganhyun posts that fucking blue pill one more goddamned time I'm going to defecate a puppy

mmmm post away baby
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 28, 2009, 12:13:50 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 27, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
Democratic blue pills :drool

I just stated that it works both ways, I wasn't singling you out that you do those things.

Ahh. ok. I thought you were implying that I personally had done that (which I still don't recall doing. But I will agree that yes, it works both ways. I've seen it happen on many sites.


Quote from: BrandNew on July 27, 2009, 11:00:11 PM
dear christ, if ganhyun posts that fucking blue pill one more goddamned time I'm going to defecate a puppy

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/ganhyun/bluepill2.jpg)

Be sure to let us know how shitting out that puppy goes for you. ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 28, 2009, 02:32:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]sTPsFIsxM3w[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 28, 2009, 04:16:33 PM
So has anyone posted anything about this idea Rahm Emanuel has yet?

It goes right along with Obama's idea to require high schoolers to perform 50 hours of government approved services.

http://www.examiner.com/x-536-Civil-Liberties-Examiner~y2008m11d6-Obamas-chief-of-staff-choice-favors-compulsory-universal-service

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254076&kaid=127&subid=171

 "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a  civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." Barack Obama

So, according to the DLC, the plan Emanuel is proposing is not a draft or military service. Yet Obama says it must be as powerful as our Military. To be as strong as our military, they'd have to go through military training, so why not admit what it is? A law that would require all 18-25 year old people to serve in the equivalent of the U.S. military. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
And? Where has Obama stated this is in his agenda? Seems like a shitty excuse for nutjob conservative parents to keep their kids out of the community service
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on July 28, 2009, 04:36:02 PM
"Be prepared for unforeseen consequences"  :P

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 29, 2009, 07:18:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
And? Where has Obama stated this is in his agenda? Seems like a shitty excuse for nutjob conservative parents to keep their kids out of the community service
That's never stopped them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2009, 07:43:48 PM
I'm in favor of mandatory community service for high school students.

The entitled cuntery that a lot of high school students exhibit is more than enough justification to put the service in place.  50 hours is barely anything; hell a lot of them spend that much time a week on Facebook, MySpace, or fiddling around with their Twitter.  Learning that one has to contribute to society to make it functional is a skill that most teenagers have no fucking clue about.  I don't even give a shit if that involves working with the church as long as it is an altruistic job (feeding poor, volunteer work, no protesting about homos on sidewalks).

I'd rather see them work retail or factory work to really bring them back to earth but community service will be just fine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 29, 2009, 08:48:23 PM
awwww, poor baby  :'( there there
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2009, 08:52:09 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 29, 2009, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: T EXP on July 29, 2009, 07:43:48 PM
I'm in favor of mandatory community service...

I'm sure there were other words after this, but FUCK YOU.

For you...

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 29, 2009, 09:14:45 PM
The 50 hour requirement was really just a tacked on, superficial, image boosting goal for Obama back when he was campaigning.  In my high school, we were all required to do like 20 or 30 hours of community service a year.  My friends in other districts said that they also had mandatory community service and I'm guessing most high schools in the country have a community service requirement.

I'd care more about his mustard preference tbh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 29, 2009, 11:14:19 PM
Don't most colleges require an amount of community service time before graduation? I know our local college(Elmira College) does and it's more like 60 hours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on July 29, 2009, 11:38:25 PM
My high school required 40 community service hours to graduate, and you needed 75 to be eligible for a really good state scholarship (yay state lotteries). The problem is that most of them are pretty much BS. Teachers would regularly offer to give you like 5 hours for 1 hour of service if you did a certain service project they were in charge of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 30, 2009, 01:25:27 AM
i'm in favor of mandatory community service AND mandatory abortions for all teenagers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2009, 01:34:58 AM
especially when you have a black and a white
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 30, 2009, 03:30:53 AM
My schools didn't have shit like that but it also had a huge problem with very high drop out rates so I'm guessing their priorities lay elsewhere.

I still have yet to hear about why mandatory community service is a bad idea.  I'll grant the fact that there will be teachers/principals/etc. that will allow students to bullshit their way through their service but no system is perfect and the end result will still be a net positive.

If spending less than an hour a week picking up shit off the highway or handing some filthy poor a cup of mush bothers you, despite 167 remaining hours left in the week, it's time to do society a favor (oh no!), grab the nearest rope, chair, and just end yourself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 30, 2009, 03:47:33 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 30, 2009, 03:42:17 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 30, 2009, 03:30:53 AM
I still have yet to hear about why mandatory community service is a bad idea. 
Because it's forced labor?
community service does not necessarily equal real labor.

Even if they were picking up trash or cooking food, the amount of "labor" that will be accomplished by these kids is negligible at best.  The point is to get these kids, who have no real clue how to be a functional adult, to interact with people without so many privileges.  Just to give them a more productive outlook on life or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 30, 2009, 04:46:03 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 30, 2009, 03:52:05 AM
So, it's as as I said, but likely to not even be effective.  Thanks for your input.
No, it is not as you said.  The only point you made (on this page) about this was that it's "forced labor", which to me sounds like you're comparing it to harvesting wheat for the motherland.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 30, 2009, 07:30:06 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 30, 2009, 07:23:04 AM
Or cotton for tha massuh.

really?

you went there?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 30, 2009, 08:37:07 AM
I didn't want to say anything but it's actually spelled "Massah".
Quote from: JayDubya on July 30, 2009, 07:23:04 AM
I 've found volunteering to be personally satisfying.
Taking part in community service is a good thing that should be encouraged, and it certainly doesn't hurt to have for a resume / application as is.  That's general enough that what I just said could apply to military service as well.
The act of mandating either, however, is absolutely repugnant.
I'm guessing that it is meant to encourage more community service though..............yeah.

Yeah sure, they get forced to do it the first times but then they MOST LIKELY will feel some sense of reward for directly helping needy people and getting to know the people at the organization/shelter.  It's logical that they'll most likely want to do more community service on their own free time afterwards.

At the moment, most people only bother to volunteer when it's the time of the year that they have to justify their judeo-pagan capitalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 30, 2009, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2009, 04:26:16 PM
And? Where has Obama stated this is in his agenda? Seems like a shitty excuse for nutjob conservative parents to keep their kids out of the community service

This was something he mentioned in his campaigning.

For you people who apparently didn't even read the link.

Quote
It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service.

So its not just community service folks. It's also not 50 hours. Its 3 months.

But yes, community service is a good thing. I do a good bit of it myself. But hey, don't force it on people by law.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 30, 2009, 12:11:48 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574316403627684602.html#printMode (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203609204574316403627684602.html#printMode)
Quote from: WSJ Henninger
With the health-care bill faltering in Congress, the ritual weeping has begun over the death, once again, of “bipartisanship.”

The belief that the answer to any problem lies with “the center” may be the greatest superstition in the ever-magical world of American politics.

Mostly it is journalists and pundits who propagate the notion that crazies on the left and right have neutered the problem-solving center, the moderates, the pragmatists.

In fact, the bipartisan center has been dying every year since Congress passed the Medicare and Medicaid bill of 1965. The people who back then were staffers to the politicians and agencies of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society graduated into the offices they now hold in Congress, the Beltway, many state capitals and academia, taking a second generation into their belief system. That included Barack Obama.

With President Obama’s health-care bill, the forces that across 40 years grew into unbridgeable opposition to each other could not be more plain to see. American politics has arrived at a crossroads.

This struggle over health-care legislation isn’t just another battle between the Democratic and Republican parties. It’s about which force is going to take the United States forward for the next generation: the public sector or the private sector. If by now you haven’t figured out which sector you are in, then you’re a Blue Dog Democrat.

The Blue Dogs and other moderates have been sliding to this final dilemma for years. The issue is not whether one is for or against “government.” The issue is: Do they work for us, or do we work for them?

Mr. Obama has defined the stakes succinctly. The centerpiece of his health-care proposal is the Public Option, a program of federally supplied and administered health insurance. As he has repeatedly stated, anyone is free to remain inside the private health-insurance system. He said yesterday, “Nobody is talking about some government takeover of health care” and to disagree is “scaring everybody.” He is underselling the power of his own idea. That public option is potent competition, a winner-sweep-the-table proposition between the public sector and the private sector.

The clarifying moment in the health-care debate arrived when the Congressional Budget Office said that the legislation lacked adequate financing. After this, the bill’s backers began a search for tax revenue that borders on parody—taxes on soda pop, surtaxes unto eternity on “millionaires,” as if this might actually command the tides to recede of another permanent Medicare/Medicaid-sized entitlement and its flotsam of advisers, measurers and lobbyists.

Washington and the states are now fighting each other to drain revenue out of the same private sector. Back in March, New York’s legislature, amid a deep recession, enacted its own income tax surcharge. These governments are becoming like people from dying planets in “Star Trek,” foraging the galaxy for new sources of whatever life force keeps them alive. A surtax is the ultimate act of public-sector panic.

I don’t think the White House or the Democratic leadership understands the level of despondency in the country now among people who add new wealth—business owners, entrepreneurs or those who invest in new ideas that don’t depend wholly on subsidized choices made by the public sector.

This is all many people in the most dynamic corners of the private sector talk about now. Their beef is not with recession but the feeling that this presidency and Congress have no interest in them. If we get another jobless recovery, we’ll need the job-creating impulses of these people. The do-good but not-for-profit mentality of the current government looks either hostile to or oblivious of these private-sector fast runners.

The Obama approval rating is falling toward 50% and below that for his handling of the economy and even lower on health care. He will be told, probably this weekend by pundits from planet public sector, that this is due to “lies” from the right. But I think this president needs to find a concrete way fast to show he has a real sense of the private sector’s importance. That promise of “green jobs” isn’t it. His line about “sacrifice” is a euphemism for high tax levels to the horizon. Where’s the upside for new, private entrants?

The problem is that in Washington and many states the public sector’s revenue needs have arrived at a point where space for the private economy is more or less beside the point. That is the clear message of the California and New York budget crises and the difficulties of financing the Obama health-care plan.

For centrists in both parties the moment has come to decide which side of the public-private divide they want the U.S. and its future workers to be on. Trying to live in both has brought us, inevitably, to that decision.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 12:24:41 PM
Drudge is reporting tht Obama will be on the cover of Time next week. The 12th time in the last 12 months.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on July 30, 2009, 12:31:08 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 12:24:41 PM
Drudge is reporting tht Obama will be on the cover of Time next week. The 12th time in the last 12 months.  :lol

Well, everything he says or does is big news ya know.  That and American libruls love them some Obama.  Then again, so do alot of conservative pundits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2009, 01:32:12 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 12:24:41 PM
Drudge is reporting tht Obama will be on the cover of Time next week. The 12th time in the last 12 months.  :lol

Popular dude sells magazines. News at 11
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bloodwake on July 30, 2009, 02:47:56 PM
My opinion on health care: if my mom or girlfriend or numerous other people I know with no insurance dies because this country continues to fuck them out of affordable health care when it should be FUCKING FREE TO EVERYONE then I will be really fucking pissed off at a lot of fucking people.

This is my unbiased, politically incorrect opinion: the reason that there isn't affordable, or, god forbid, UNIVERSAL health care in this country is because a certain group of people like making money and fucking people out of it. Money is power, so of course, I'm not seeing any hope for my loved ones or myself right now.

God forbid that everyone actually is healthy in this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on July 30, 2009, 03:01:37 PM
I don't see how a government option is going to make the market "un-competetive". Yes, the government option will be going up against private options, so in that sense there is additional competition in the market. Now this is where it gets funny: Assuming that markets are correct and rational, and given the fact that everything the government touches turns to shit, why would anyone pick the public option? :smug

Also, I can't wait to hear someone argue that "free" is over-valued by people (which is true, based on research) and so the government should not offer a free option (whilst ignoring the other numerous applications of behaviorist price research).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2009, 03:06:50 PM
Quote
President Obama and his Democratic allies, scrambling to broker a health care deal Monday, finally got an upbeat assessment from Congress' official scorekeeper when it said the plan for government-run coverage would not force out private insurers.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/28/cbo-gives-boost-to-obamas-health-plan/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_headlines

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 30, 2009, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 12:24:41 PM
Drudge is reporting tht Obama will be on the cover of Time next week. The 12th time in the last 12 months.  :lol

They put him on because his face will sell magazines. I thought you fucks worshipped the free-market?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 05:09:33 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.

Exactly!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
FoC just curious, who do you think was the best US president and why. Also, who was the worst
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
FoC just curious, who do you think was the best US president and why. Also, who was the worst

For obvious reasons I'll just keep it to the last 100 years.

Eisenhower was probably the best.
The worst? Probably Johnson or FDR.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2009, 06:03:00 PM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on July 30, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'rourke
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on July 30, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'rourke

Bush is a good enough reason that everyone should be leery of the power of government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on July 30, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'rourke

Bush is a good enough reason that everyone should be leery of the power of government.

"Government" isn't some solid, never-evolving entity. In fact, Bush and his Congress' definition of "government" gives government a bad name.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 30, 2009, 08:34:12 PM
Public health care is not free.  Everyone pays their share.  I'm in favor of nationalized health care but saying "health care is free" irks me ever so slightly.

Quote from: BrandNew on July 30, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on July 30, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'rourke

Bush is a good enough reason that everyone should be leery of the power of government.

"Government" isn't some solid, never-evolving entity. In fact, Bush and his Congress' definition of "government" gives government a bad name.

No shit?  I think you're onto something there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on July 30, 2009, 08:44:48 PM
Holy shit, Crowley was like "I guess we could meet for a kool-aid..."
lol
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taken out of context
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2009, 10:11:57 PM
Quote from: T EXP on July 30, 2009, 08:34:12 PM
Public health care is not free.  Everyone pays their share.  I'm in favor of nationalized health care but saying "health care is free" irks me ever so slightly.

Quote from: BrandNew on July 30, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 30, 2009, 06:28:45 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on July 30, 2009, 06:15:04 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2009, 03:11:54 PM
After 8 years of Bush, I can understand why people think the government can't run shit right.

"The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'rourke

Bush is a good enough reason that everyone should be leery of the power of government.

"Government" isn't some solid, never-evolving entity. In fact, Bush and his Congress' definition of "government" gives government a bad name.

No shit?  I think you're onto something there.

No, I've known that forever.  FoC, though, doesn't seem to get it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 31, 2009, 10:18:43 AM
What do you think my definition of government is?

What is your (liberal) definition of government?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on July 31, 2009, 10:19:55 AM
Quote
Public health care is not free.  Everyone pays their share.  I'm in favor of nationalized health care but saying "health care is free" irks me ever so slightly.

This is not true. Some people will grossly pay more than others. I guess to liberals that means its "fair"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2009, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on July 31, 2009, 10:19:55 AM
Quote
Public health care is not free.  Everyone pays their share.  I'm in favor of nationalized health care but saying "health care is free" irks me ever so slightly.

This is not true. Some people will grossly pay more than others. I guess to liberals that means its "fair"

I may be completely wrong, but didn't the rich pay less taxes proportionately than 95% of people under Bush? Was that fair?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 31, 2009, 08:05:39 PM
I think he is referring to Bush's tax cuts which reduced the rich's effective tax rate by 19% while only reducing everyone else by 4%.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/16/politics/main636398.shtml
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2009, 09:20:26 PM
Yes, thank you, Zero.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 01, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
...and Lolbertopians continue to pretend that income tax rates are the only form of taxation. Yawn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 01, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 01, 2009, 04:46:29 PM
...and Lolbertopians continue to pretend that income tax rates are the only form of taxation. Yawn.

Not only does that not make any sense it's not even close to being true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2009, 01:35:11 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/poll-28-of-republican-base-are-birthers.php?ref=fpblg
wow

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on August 02, 2009, 01:40:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2009, 01:35:11 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/poll-28-of-republican-base-are-birthers.php?ref=fpblg
wow


Well, if you repeat a lie over and over....  Right from Propanganda 101.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2009, 01:54:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2009, 01:35:11 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/poll-28-of-republican-base-are-birthers.php?ref=fpblg
wow

(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/birthers.png)


I think this is the most important number in that poll.  Also, 97% of black respondents (>20% of the Southern population) answered yes.

So only about a third of southern whites are confident that Obama was born in the US.  Awesome!

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I read something a couple months ago that showed the same results for certain GOP talking points.  Specifically, talking trash about San Francisco and France.  Most people, including Republicans, have good opinions of those places.  The south is the only place where they drew high disapproval ratings.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 02, 2009, 10:35:09 AM
It's pretty amazing how inherant rascism can still display itself...A black guy with a "forun" soundin' name becomes president and not only do they just rebel against this fact, they pretend that it's somehow impossible that he can be American in the first place. Such a sad glimpse into their worldview.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 02, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
There was an image posted some time ago that showed the counties that saw increase of Republican or Democrat votes in 2008 compared to 2004.  The biggest Republican increase was in the rural areas of the south, the same counties (give or take) that George Wallace won 40 years ago.  I'm sure someone has that image saved.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 02, 2009, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 02, 2009, 10:35:09 AM
A black guy with a "forun" soundin' name becomes president and not only do they just rebel against this fact, they pretend that it's somehow impossible that he can be American in the first place. Such a sad glimpse into their worldview.
Or if you are Glenn Beck, claim that the black president with a white mother has a deep seeded hatred towards white people.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI_0Kt_e3Go[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 02, 2009, 12:24:06 PM
i'm a little disappointed that this palin divorce stuff isn't panning out,since i so dearly love to see the depraved pro-lifers squirm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 03, 2009, 04:16:34 PM
dead babies; dead poor people who can't afford health care; we're all misanthropes with our false dichotomies!

me, i'll take the dead babies. at least someone WANTED the people dying due to lack of health care.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 03, 2009, 06:45:49 PM
Oy Vey (http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3110183&ref=fpblg)

When Ann Coulter is calling you out as a crazy bitch...wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 03, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 03, 2009, 06:45:49 PM
Oy Vey (http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3110183&ref=fpblg)

When Ann Coulter is calling you out as a crazy bitch...wow

They were totally unfair to that woman.  She has such a serious problem with her President being born in a foreign country that she just cannot control her emotions.  I mean, come on, doesn't that woman have a right, as a citizen, to be so upset that Obama is a foreigner?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 04, 2009, 12:15:02 AM
Quote from: T EXP on August 02, 2009, 10:57:13 AM
There was an image posted some time ago that showed the counties that saw increase of Republican or Democrat votes in 2008 compared to 2004.  The biggest Republican increase was in the rural areas of the south, the same counties (give or take) that George Wallace won 40 years ago.  I'm sure someone has that image saved.

(http://i29.tinypic.com/24o93b5.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on August 04, 2009, 12:52:40 AM
Remember that multibillion (trillion?) dollar stimulus package passed months ago? Wonder where that money is going? No clue? Me neither.

As for the 1 billion that we can actually track, the "cash for clunkers" program, and that is actually working to stimulate the economy in a tangible fashion, well, they can't seem to cut that off fast enough.

Quote
(http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Clunker-sales-nearing-apf-3598544285.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode= )

"This is just mass chaos, so to extend it with 2 more billion dollars without stopping and seeing what we've done would be crazy," said Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.

..

"We were told this program would last for several months," GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said. "It ran out of money in a week, prompting the House to rush a $2 billion extension before anybody even had time to figure out what happened to the first billion."

McConnell said, "It's not a bad idea to look for a second opinion. All the more so if they say they're in a hurry."

Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona, the Senate's second-ranking Republican, suggested lawmakers "take a time-out" so they could receive more details about the program before providing more money. "I'm concerned that somebody's going to have to pay for this, and $4,500 for everybody that wants to take advantage of this program is a lot of money."

Newsflash, elephants. These are dollars going to directly stimulate the economy as well as promote a cleaner environment and less reliance on that dirty foreign oil. These dollars are going into the pockets of the citizens and into the bank accounts of your rich dealership friends. They are clearing auto inventories, which will support production and therefore jobs at auto factories. All those billions if not trillions of who-knows-where-it-went stimulus money? Figure out what's up there. Argue with this program? Get real.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local_wluk_greenbay_kagen_gets_earful_at_listening_session_080320092004_rev1
:punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 04, 2009, 10:07:17 AM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2ik36zl.jpg)

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2009, 10:19:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2009, 02:03:44 AM
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/local_wluk_greenbay_kagen_gets_earful_at_listening_session_080320092004_rev1
:punch
So republitards are bussing people from out of town to act like they are against healthcare reform? They have actually found a new low.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 10:50:31 AM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on August 04, 2009, 10:07:17 AM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2ik36zl.jpg)

 ::)

That is sooo uncalled for. How dare you disgrace our president like that. You should be ashamed of yourself. ASHAMED! How can you be soo mean spirited to our president?



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Oh wait.



(http://mtblog.vanityfair.com/online/politics/Bush-the-Joker002-copy%5B1%5D.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 11:15:21 AM
Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/ (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/)
Quote
As an ex-Brit, I’m well aware of the authorities’ love of surveillance and snooping, but even I, a pessimistic cynic, am amazed by the governments latest plan: to install Orwell’s telescreens in 20,000 homes.

£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes. The government’s “children’s secretary” Ed Balls is behind the plan, which is aimed at problem, antisocial families. The idea is that, if a child has a more stable home life, he or she will be less likely to stray into crime and drugs.

It gets worse. The government is also maintaining a private army, incredibly not called “Thought Police”, which will “be sent round to carry out home checks,” according to the Sunday Express. And in a scheme which firmly cements the nation’s reputation as a “nanny state”, the kids and their families will be forced to sign “behavior contracts” which will “set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.”

And remember, this is the left-wing government. The Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling, batting for the conservatives, thinks these plans are “too little, and too late,” implying that even more obtrusive work needs to be done. Rumors that a new detention center, named Room 101, is being constructed inside the Ministry of Love are unconfirmed.



I'm speechless.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 04, 2009, 11:43:22 AM
Both Joker portrayals are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  The fact that the Joker represents the complete opposite of what Obama/Bush are unfairly labeled as is enough to make this fucking stupid....but it also happens to be based on a goddamn summer movie character.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 04, 2009, 11:43:22 AM
Both Joker portrayals are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  The fact that the Joker represents the complete opposite of what Obama/Bush are unfairly labeled as is enough to make this fucking stupid....but it also happens to be based on a goddamn summer movie character.

The difference being that one is a a random poster by some schmucks with too much free time and the other being published by a very large and widely read magazine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 12:37:31 PM
the other difference being that the magazine portrayed a president that way because of starting wars and torturing people and spying on american citizens, while the random shmucks portrayed a president that way because the sheriff is a ni-*BONG*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 12:37:31 PM
the other difference being that the magazine portrayed a president that way because of starting wars and torturing people and spying on american citizens, while the random shmucks portrayed a president that way because the sheriff is a ni-*BONG*

I forgot was the Joker black? I ask because your post is complete garbage if he wasnt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 12:42:15 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 12:37:31 PM
the other difference being that the magazine portrayed a president that way because of starting wars and torturing people and spying on american citizens, while the random shmucks portrayed a president that way because the sheriff is a ni-*BONG*

I forgot was the Joker black? I ask because your post is complete garbage if he wasnt.

whoosh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
crushed annihilated!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 04, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 12:33:59 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 04, 2009, 11:43:22 AM
Both Joker portrayals are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  The fact that the Joker represents the complete opposite of what Obama/Bush are unfairly labeled as is enough to make this fucking stupid....but it also happens to be based on a goddamn summer movie character.

The difference being that one is a a random poster by some schmucks with too much free time and the other being published by a very large and widely read magazine.

Both parties are fucking stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
so guys, what about that birth certificate!??!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 07:09:20 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 06:55:09 PM
so guys, what about that birth certificate!??!

Are you obsessed with that or something? Has any conservative EB member ever brought that up?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
i was bringing it up because the birthers have been in the news lately, complete with a fake kenyan certificate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 07:15:59 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
i was bringing it up because the birthers have been in the news lately, complete with a fake kenyan certificate.

Completely irrelevant to this thread and EB members.

Bu-bye.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 07:39:15 PM
yes, current events and political news WOULD seem irrelevant to you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 08:33:09 PM
It's not political news. The only people who think it's news are the liberals who are using it as a diversion and the nuts that believe it.

Obama's numbers are tanking. The "town-halls" on healthcare are a colossal disaster and the only response that liberals have is "Hey this woman bileves obama is from Kenya. LOLERSKATES!!!!


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 08:40:27 PM
I bet some people in bum-fuck New Mexico believe that Obama is a space alien from Mars and is here to anal probe us.

Is that political news?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 04, 2009, 08:41:33 PM
itt foc pretends that a third of southern white republicans don't believe that obama is foreign born (it's true)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 08:49:55 PM
I think I have a pretty good idea of it. I live in the South and I have a regular dose of conservative radio.

I havent heard Rush talk about it in a while, and Boortz had a whole 30 min segment calling people idiots for believing it.


But go ahead and keep pretending this is the real political news of the day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 04, 2009, 09:06:30 PM
two radio hosts = the South
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 04, 2009, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 08:33:09 PM
It's not political news. The only people who think it's news are the liberals who are using it as a diversion and the nuts that believe it.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105767 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105767)
 :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on August 05, 2009, 06:17:30 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 08:33:09 PM
It's not political news. The only people who think it's news are the liberals who are using it as a diversion and the nuts that believe it.

Obama's numbers are tanking. The "town-halls" on healthcare are a colossal disaster and the only response that liberals have is "Hey this woman bileves obama is from Kenya. LOLERSKATES!!!!

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 04, 2009, 08:40:27 PM
I bet some people in bum-fuck New Mexico believe that Obama is a space alien from Mars and is here to anal probe us.

Is that political news?

This meme's been getting popular among embarrassed conservatarians: "It's just a couple of cranks and it's the liberals who are puffing them up anyway!"

Except about two-thirds of southern whites, along with 58% of self-identified Republicans (http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html), take the birther case seriously.  Cherry-picking this ain't.

I'm touched that you're ashamed to be aligned with these people, FoC.  It shows an ounce of self-awareness.  But you chose to join the movement.  Take some personal responsibility.

Oh, and the town hall disruptions?  If you think that's a strong argument against the GOP's base being infested with hardline cranks, you might want to reconsider.



PS I don't think you could find five pollers or political scientists who refer to New Mexico as part of the "South".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 05, 2009, 06:33:19 PM
Health care dissenters are too well dressed!!!  :lol

[youtube=560,345] ZV84OBtGpSQ[/youtube]


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 05, 2009, 09:08:35 PM
ITT FoC proves he's gullible enough to believe in Astroturf organizations
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2009, 12:29:44 AM
Arthur Laffer (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908040014), father of the Worst Graph Ever (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=laffer+curve&aq=f&oq=&aqi=n1g10&fp=flbC24gbdiA):

"Just wait until you see Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare done by the government."



The government better stay away from those... government programs!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 06, 2009, 10:04:48 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 05, 2009, 09:08:35 PM
ITT FoC proves he's gullible enough to believe in Astroturf organizations

I went to the one where loyd dogget spoke here in in Austin. It was no astroturfing. The kind of emotion people had can not be bought.



But keeping telling yourself that and remain out of touch with everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 06, 2009, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 06, 2009, 12:29:44 AM
Arthur Laffer (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908040014), father of the Worst Graph Ever (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=laffer+curve&aq=f&oq=&aqi=n1g10&fp=flbC24gbdiA):

"Just wait until you see Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare done by the government."



The government better stay away from those... government programs!

In all fairness lets look at whats probably the most widely used government entity.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8248335&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=8248335&page=1)

The fucking heavily subsidized USPS cant even deliver mail and make it worth while.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 06, 2009, 10:43:53 AM
Yeah, that has absolutely nothing to do with declining demand (since the inception of the internet) for snail mail services and the paper reduction act  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 06, 2009, 11:14:12 AM
It's a different brand of hippie. I cant really describe it.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely a bunch of dirty hippies around, but there is also an independent "texas" vibe to the whole city too.

My version of an austin hippie smokes joints, has a few firearms at home and grows his own vegetables.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2009, 12:24:08 PM
Lord that just sounds awful
Title: Man of the people!
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2009, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 06, 2009, 10:04:48 AM
But keeping telling yourself that and remain out of touch with everyone.

Oh the irony.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on August 06, 2009, 06:58:58 PM
Meanwhile, all Rush can do today is compare Obama to Hitler.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 06, 2009, 07:51:48 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on August 06, 2009, 06:58:58 PM
Meanwhile, all Rush can do today is compare Obama to Hitler.

Remember when some random person submitted a Bush/Hitler video to an open video contest at Moveon.org and they were practically branded a terrorist organization by the "liberal media"...good times
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 06, 2009, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on August 06, 2009, 06:58:58 PM
Meanwhile, all Rush can do today is compare Obama to Hitler.

I see your Hitler and raise you an anti-christ:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXMAnlMmEPw[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 06, 2009, 08:38:51 PM
I love the whole, "I'm not sayin' Obama is the Anti-Christ, I'm just saaayin'..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 06, 2009, 09:00:21 PM
What FoC fails (or maybe he doesn't) to realize is that a substantial portion of the population, at least where I live (the South) believes this shit....my step father buys into it and so do my in-laws who live in Ohio.  I always have lively discussions with delivery people and salesmen at my job and almost all of them believe this shit...whether it be the birther shit, the anti-christ shit, the marxist shit....the believe it.  Funny things happen when you make it ok for someone to call the president a distinguished black fellow.  They open up in all kinds of ways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 06, 2009, 09:25:07 PM
The worst part is that the mustache looks well groomed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 06, 2009, 09:13:55 PM
(http://www.chron.com/photos/2009/08/06/17790364/260xStory.jpg)

Not even bothering with context

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/shake.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 07, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
what's the story behind that messican?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2009, 01:26:15 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on August 07, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
what's the story behind that messican?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/6562918.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 07, 2009, 01:43:08 PM
the wisdom of crowds  ::)

Adults acting like children
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2009, 01:59:19 PM
That is an apt description, if a bit insulting to children.

Also, Wisdom of Crowds tee hee. (http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2008/08/wisdom-of-indexes-i-seem-to-remember.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 07, 2009, 02:10:09 PM
I tried to read Surowiecki's book a few years ago, but I was put off by how non-statistical it was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 07, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/

I like how dailykos says "RAW VIDEO: Tampa health care town hall disrupted by wingnuts"

But if it was a war protest under Bush it would say "RAW VIDEO: Tampa war rally disrupted by patriots"


I think if this video proves anything its that there is no way that "astro-turfing" participants can feel this passionate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 07, 2009, 04:07:52 PM
No astro turfing? There's a 'protester' less than halfway through the video who works for a pharmaceutical company lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 07, 2009, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 07, 2009, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002028/

I like how dailykos says "RAW VIDEO: Tampa health care town hall disrupted by wingnuts"

But if it was a war protest under Bush it would say "RAW VIDEO: Tampa war rally disrupted by patriots"


I think if this video proves anything its that there is no way that "astro-turfing" participants can feel this passionate.

Because reforming healthcare is the moral equivalent of starting a war  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 05:49:31 PM
The passion isn't manufactured, and I'd imagine many of them would be acting crazy regardless. But the actual protest movement's roots are based squarely in GOP/health industry board rooms. They've stirred a pot of crazies for months with various smears and lies (euthanasia! gov takeover!), now they're dumping that pot on the rest of America to silence anyone who disagrees with them. They don't even care about how stupid/angry these people look to the rest of society, they just want to make enough noise to appear like a huge opposition force.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on August 07, 2009, 07:12:30 PM
The thing is, they aren't even using the fact that these people are angry about health care reform-chances are that doesn't get them excited-instead they are just stoking the same usual hot buttons and then taking their frenzied anger at health care reform since that's what  benefits the bankrollers and ideologues of the GOP the most.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on August 07, 2009, 07:45:09 PM
Well, I don't know if you guys read the one of Krugman's recent columns in the Times.  He mentioned how 50 or percent of protesters in one of the townhalls were on Medicare.   :lol 

These are people who're supposedly against government health care programs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 07, 2009, 07:49:26 PM
Which is similar to the majority of teaparty protesters, who would undoubtedly get tax cuts

it makes no sense

"We didn't ask the government to give us money" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 07, 2009, 07:57:34 PM
Which is funny because Medicare is 100% die-in-the-wool, bonafied, screaming socialism, while the proposed reforms are anything but.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 11:09:28 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 08, 2009, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2009, 11:09:28 PM


So I guess her kids are fair game again? Can she a go a week without wrapping them in her policy 'debate'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
[youtube=560,345]Tl91YF1d3Kg[/youtube]

annihilationnnnn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2009, 12:49:35 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
Obama should set up a commission to get to the truth of this matter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2009, 03:23:59 PM
Obama is done now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2009, 06:08:50 AM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/08/09/gingrich_defends_palins_comments.html#030860a

"It's not in the bill"
"The bill is a thousand pages!"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 10, 2009, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2009, 06:08:50 AM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/08/09/gingrich_defends_palins_comments.html#030860a

"It's not in the bill"
"The bill is a thousand pages!"



But Gingrich is a serious thinker, I'm confused  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019423.php

Quote
    Gladney did not address Saturday's crowd of about 200 people. His attorney, David Brown, however, read a prepared statement Gladney wrote. "A few nights ago there was an assault on my liberty, and on yours, too." Brown read. "This should never happen in this country."

    Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance. [emphasis added]

Wait, the conservative opponent of health care reform, fighting (literally) to defeat a plan that would bring coverage to those who lose their jobs, lost his coverage because he got laid off?

I'm not in a position to say whether Gladney sustained genuine injuries or whether he's exaggerating for 15 minutes of Fox News fame and a lucrative out-of-court settlement.

Either way, the new right-wing cause celebre needs to take up a collection to pay for his medical bills because he doesn't have health insurance. It's a fascinating sign of the times.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2009, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 10, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019423.php

Quote
    Gladney did not address Saturday's crowd of about 200 people. His attorney, David Brown, however, read a prepared statement Gladney wrote. "A few nights ago there was an assault on my liberty, and on yours, too." Brown read. "This should never happen in this country."

    Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance. [emphasis added]

Wait, the conservative opponent of health care reform, fighting (literally) to defeat a plan that would bring coverage to those who lose their jobs, lost his coverage because he got laid off?

I'm not in a position to say whether Gladney sustained genuine injuries or whether he's exaggerating for 15 minutes of Fox News fame and a lucrative out-of-court settlement.

Either way, the new right-wing cause celebre needs to take up a collection to pay for his medical bills because he doesn't have health insurance. It's a fascinating sign of the times.

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:rofl
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http://www.theonion.com/content/video/courageous_man_refuses_to_believe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 11, 2009, 01:03:56 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/ObamaJokerPosterPoppingUpInLosAngel.jpg)


Joker Obama has met his match.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/RPbatman2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 11, 2009, 01:15:21 AM
Didn't Batman use a sonar device that basically plugged him directly in to the cellphones of every member of Gotham City?  Doesn't the Dark Knight ultimately suggest that not only is government necessary, but that the pursuit of justice oftentimes requires a clandestine extension beyond the governments prescribed limits? 

oh wait obama in clown makeup lololololol that's funny nm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2009, 03:20:47 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on August 11, 2009, 01:15:21 AM
oh wait obama in clown makeup lololololol that's funny nm.

Now, now. Remember that scene when the Joker burns that gigantic stack of money? It's a metaphor for the bailouts, ya get it?

It's subtle, but there is a lot of substance to it.




 :tophat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2009, 09:08:05 AM
Also, what's the other, less evil, but destructive force in Gotham?  The mafia.  Where does the mafia get its power?  Black markets.  In a very real, very practical way, the more you tighten your grip, the more rich, and thus, more powerful they get.

Historically, I don't think that's true.  The mafia's power stemmed from the protection racket, where they'd partially displace the government as source or violence-backed authority.  They were able to do this because of immigrant populations that couldn't or wouldn't interact with law enforcement, and because of an FBI that looked the other way for decades.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 11, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
We could turn over our health care system to Wal-Mart and we'd be better off than we'd be under the public option proposed to us by the lalilulelibs.  And no I'm not kidding. 

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 11, 2009, 07:04:59 PM
I've always thought of Batman characters as shallow (intentionally) after I turned 10.  Like, Batman sees his parents shot when he's a kid and then he does what every single little kid thinks they would want to do in that situation by putting on a "scary" costume, beating up "bad guys", and then making sure that he has high-tech gadgetry the whole time.  It's unrealistic but an adult can still appreciate it as being over-the-top.

There's never been any attempt to show police (government) as bumbling idiots and absolutely nothing approaching associating the joker with any political ideology.  These photoshops are just nerds using nerd icons as a srhing to their butthurtery.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 11, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
More on health care from ronpaul.com.  It's a bit old, don't know if anyone saw it.

Show: Alex Jones Show
Date: August 5, 2009

Alex Jones: We have the one and only Dr. Ron Paul, Congressman Ron Paul, here to talk about socialized healthcare, he has actually read the subsections and we have them here. Total takeover, he’ll be breaking that down. He’s got bills to beat it and to really fix healthcare, auditing the Fed, we’re going to get into that, and so much more. And he’s a medical doctor and we’ll talk about this flu hype, trying to stampede people into federalization, U.N. control, level 6 pandemic, and a lot more with Congressman Ron Paul.

Congressman, thank you for joining us today.

Ron Paul: Thank you, good to be with you.

Alex Jones: Let’s get into the national socialist healthcare, Obama trying to stonewall people and say “this is no big deal,” but people have now read the bill. You’re a medical doctor and a Congressman; can you tell us what’s really in that bill?

Ron Paul: Well, it is nationalized healthcare on this pretense that it isn’t completely just means there is some transition involved. So their goal is to have a one party payer, which means that they control everything. And there are a lot of other bad things too, like this effort to consult with anybody who is over a certain age and talk to them about end-of-life type of procedures. This bill is just such an outrage. The American people see it for what it is. It is going to cost a lot of money, their care is not going to be improved, and the special interests will be served.

Alex Jones: Congressman, when I was talking to you when we first got you on, you brought up the rebellion against really both parties, the Republicans and Democrats. Doggett being shot down, Republican Congressman, Delaware Congressman, Specter getting chanted down. People saying “We don’t want your socialist big-government healthcare.” That has got to be exciting when their own constituents are shouting them down.

Ron Paul: Yea, and this is different. I don’t remember seeing the people so angry as they are now. But I think what they have discovered is that the government is a failure. It isn’t so much that they’re all saints now and they don’t want the government taking care of them. I think a lot of people have come to the realization that you can’t trust the government. They feel that the government has been promising me all this, and they were going to give me all these free things that wouldn’t to cost anything, and I’d have a good job and live happily ever after. They’re starting to realize now that it’s not so, and they’re going to end up with a lot of debt, and the government can’t be trusted. That’s a healthy start. So, it is our job now to fill in the void and tell them what the role of government ought to be so that we can take all this energy and anger and redirect it.

Alex Jones: Exactly, because you have always said that the danger point is that when we come to this crisis, the collapse of big government, they’re going to try to make the government even bigger and have a total tyranny. We’ve got to be there beforehand and during this, saying “no, let’s get back to the system that’s proven to be the most bountiful, the most free; the beautiful system, the great design our founders gave us.”

Ron Paul: Yeah, and up until now they’ve been able to use fear as their best tactic. Whether it’s on foreign policy issues or domestic policy issues, that’s how that first TARP fund went through. They say, “The whole thing would be collapsing. We have to do this rapidly. Don’t ask any questions. Appropriate 700 billion dollars and we’ll take care of everything.” So if things get worse they’ll say, “Boy, this is more reason than ever for the government to take over.” And of course we still have the threat of martial law coming in because I think they haven’t forgotten about that and I don’t think they’d hesitate to use it.

Alex Jones: Congressman, when we come back I want to talk about the establishment’s response to the majority of House members now wanting to audit the Fed and the people getting angry. Lloyd Doggett and others went on the news and said it was all staged, all fake. It didn’t matter that I found out my neighbor was there, buying groceries at Randall’s in South Austin where I lived, and went over and started chanting. It didn’t matter if one of my dad’s employees in his dental office was there at the meeting, a Democrat who has sent a letter and that she was mad at him. It didn’t matter that it was real. He just says it’s fake. But everywhere people are saying “No, this just sounds like Marie Antoinette – let them eat cake.”

Ron Paul: Yeah. They’ll wake up soon, I think that this is not going to go away very quickly.

Alex Jones: Absolutely, but we’re going to have to break. We’re going to come back and talk more about this. There they are chanting at Lloyd Doggett. Hundreds and hundreds of people literally chasing him from the building, and he says it’s staged. Well, it’s not staged.

Alex Jones: Well, it’s great to have Ron Paul for a full half hour today with his very busy schedule. I have lot of emails here with questions that listeners want me to ask, so let’s go ahead with the questions. We ended that segment with video and audio of Congressman Lloyd Doggett, a big collectivist, being booed off the stage at a Randall’s grocery store here in Austin.

Now I talked to people that were there and they said “We don’t want this.” He said, “I don’t care what you want, I’m going to do it.” I saw him during the Cap and Trade say “I don’t care if I’m getting 5 to 1 calls against this, I’m going to do it.” That seems to be his call sign. And then the media is acting like it’s un-American and bad that citizens would dare chant at him. Is it un-American to go talk to your politicians?

Ron Paul: Well, when we can’t do that then it’s all over, you know. The first amendment tells you something about petitioning Congress and having some redress. So I would say that if they ever get to the point where they want to enforce that where you can’t call down your elected officials, the ballgame is over. But right now I think there is still enough room, you’re still on the radio, I still speak out, I’m still in Congress. So we have a vehicle and the answer is going to be in can we awaking and alert enough people to become activists and rally the cry for freedom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2009, 08:35:29 PM
Oh wow, Alex Jones.  Good source there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 11, 2009, 08:36:39 PM
wow, ron paul is completely divorced from reality. this is what happens when you pander to nutters, outcasts, and racists for too long

i am now officially ashamed to have at one time claimed him to be the best candidate of the republican distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 11, 2009, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 11, 2009, 08:35:29 PM
Oh wow, Alex Jones.  Good source there.

in his defense, these are ron paul's own words -- alex' presence is irrelevant in evaluating the answers. but JESUS CHRIST does DOKTOR ron paul understand national debt, inflation and its attendant instrumentation, global currency models, and international economic theory AT ALL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 11, 2009, 08:40:15 PM
Quote
Well, it is nationalized healthcare on this pretense that it isn’t completely just means there is some transition involved. So their goal is to have a one party payer, which means that they control everything. And there are a lot of other bad things too, like this effort to consult with anybody who is over a certain age and talk to them about end-of-life type of procedures. This bill is just such an outrage. The American people see it for what it is. It is going to cost a lot of money, their care is not going to be improved, and the special interests will be served.

and what the FUCK is THIS pinhead unsubstantiated talking point garbage

ron paul, INTO THE POLITICAL FUCK DUMPSTER NOW
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 11, 2009, 09:56:41 PM
Quote
It is going to cost a lot of money, their care is not going to be improved, and the special interests will be served.

Isn't this what the health care system currently is?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 11, 2009, 10:14:00 PM
Quote
that’s how that first TARP fund went through. They say, “The whole thing would be collapsing. We have to do this rapidly. Don’t ask any questions. Appropriate 700 billion dollars and we’ll take care of everything.” So if things get worse they’ll say, “Boy, this is more reason than ever for the government to take over.”

that is quite the revisionist history. Anyone remember what the "perfect markets" thought when the senate voted down the first TARP bill vote?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2009, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on August 11, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
We could turn over our health care system to Wal-Mart and we'd be better off than we'd be under the public option proposed to us by the lalilulelibs.  And no I'm not kidding. 

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Generic prescription drugs for $4.
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Wal-Mart, eh?  That's actually not a bad model.

If only there were some way we could get a centrally administered, regionally operated distribution network which benefits from economies of scale and leverages its buying clout to get cheaper prices from producers.

O WAIT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2009, 12:41:45 AM
Wal-Mart model = Drugs and medical equipment from China administered by single moms living in trailer parks?

Sign me up.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2009, 12:55:23 AM
Admit it, TA- you just want to nail some single trailer park moms.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 12, 2009, 01:46:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 12, 2009, 12:37:09 AM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on August 11, 2009, 06:59:21 PM
We could turn over our health care system to Wal-Mart and we'd be better off than we'd be under the public option proposed to us by the lalilulelibs.  And no I'm not kidding. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Generic prescription drugs for $4.
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Wal-Mart, eh?  That's actually not a bad model.

If only there were some way we could get a centrally administered, regionally operated distribution network which benefits from economies of scale and leverages its buying clout to get cheaper prices from producers.

O WAIT.

SHOGUN ANNIHILATED :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2009, 04:07:59 AM
OH SWEET JESUS PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26029.html)

SANTORUM/BACHMANN 2012 ALL THE WAY BAYBEEEEEEE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on August 12, 2009, 04:09:34 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 12, 2009, 04:07:59 AM
OH SWEET JESUS PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26029.html)

SANTORUM/BACHMANN 2012 ALL THE WAY BAYBEEEEEEE

i think i'm gonna puke  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2009, 06:15:04 AM
I'd love to see him run. A principled, conservative man of god. We can never get enough of them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 12, 2009, 07:00:43 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 12, 2009, 04:07:59 AM
OH SWEET JESUS PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26029.html)

SANTORUM/BACHMANN 2012 ALL THE WAY BAYBEEEEEEE

Stop that Triumph, my left hand had to smack my right hand after it discoverd it touching myself over this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 12, 2009, 01:04:01 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_billionaire_feds_give_out_175m_to_aid_neediest_students_around_the_state_its_fre.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_billionaire_feds_give_out_175m_to_aid_neediest_students_around_the_state_its_fre.html)


Quote
A $200 back-to-school giveaway for needy kids sparked a mad rush for money on the streets of New York on Tuesday.

"It's free money!" said Alecia Rumph, 26, who waited in a Morris Park, Bronx, line 300 people deep for the cash to buy uniforms and book bags for her two kids.

"Thank God for Obama. He's looking out for us."

Thousands of people lined up at banks and check-cashing shops to withdraw the cash that magically appeared on their electronic benefit cards.

Some rushed out because of rumors the money would vanish by the end of the day.


 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2009, 03:29:47 PM
[youtube=560,345]DefkofNU_r8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2009, 07:25:35 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 12, 2009, 06:43:01 PM
prole has taken to arguing with republicans on Facebook poll threads :'(

 :o
I wish I could see that!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2009, 08:04:46 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 12, 2009, 07:25:35 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 12, 2009, 06:43:01 PM
prole has taken to arguing with republicans on Facebook poll threads :'(

 :o
I wish I could see that!

It's pretty awesome, he can't NOT troll an idiot.  It's like a compulsion with the man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 12, 2009, 10:41:43 PM
i had a deathly dull 1.5 hour meeting on wiki tools today. truth be told, i think i woulda preferred listening to the meeting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 13, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
[youtube=560,345]sdhTumEUBN8[/youtube]

This is interesting, http://www.oldamericancentury.org/prnts.htm

(http://www.oldamericancentury.org/fasc_notus_prima.jpg)
(http://www.oldamericancentury.org/good_business.jpg)
(http://www.oldamericancentury.org/halli_coffe.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2009, 07:10:42 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#32393616

:bow Lawrence :bow

(in case it links to the main page, check out the link with the interview with that Katy chick, who was one of the town hall protesters)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 13, 2009, 07:26:56 PM
bish got owned. it would have been better had he made her cry

"So.....being against socialism, you would want to repeal medicare?"

"bububububububu :duh"
Title: The perils of Open Mic Night
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2009, 12:31:59 AM
Yeesh.

When the GOP was in power they stuck with professional, media-savvy hacks like Malkin and Kristol.

Now, in their desperation to look like a grassroots uprising, they subject us to an endless stream of pasty conservative folk heroes, of which Joe The Plumber is the Darley Arabian (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/most-racehorses-traced-back-to-single-ancestor-505698.html).  It's embarrassing, but not enough to make me feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 14, 2009, 12:33:01 AM
It's working, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 12:35:45 AM
Turns out that the woman who was worried about us turning into Russia is... wait for it...

part of Glenn Beck's 9/12 movement! (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6289409)

Sleeping giant indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 14, 2009, 12:41:52 AM
So she's a plant?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2009, 01:01:17 AM
Quote from: Willco on August 14, 2009, 12:33:01 AM
It's working, though.

While its true that Obama is burning through his political capital rapidly, the GOP is marginally functional at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2009, 01:03:09 AM
Willco:  Tosh and piffle.

Quote from: Zero Hero on August 14, 2009, 12:41:52 AM
So she's a plant?

I don't think so.

Probably she's just someone who didn't closely follow politics until someone who viscerally scares her (wonder why, cough cough) came to power, then suddenly worked herself up to a state of sputtering rage.  David Mitchell sums it up. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_-jx5xTutU#t=3m12s)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 01:04:27 AM
Yeah, but she presented herself as someone who wasn't part of any organization or anything, and there she is ORGANIZING 9/12 MEETUPS all over the internets. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2009, 01:12:04 AM
Well, yeah.

Each one of these clowns takes pains to present themselves as unaffiliated and independent, and they're all lying.  It's a given at this point.

Everybody gets that people will listen more to a Concerned Citizen than to someone who's been active in partisan politics.  That goes double for Republicans, now that their party's pissed away its brand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 14, 2009, 01:31:04 AM
I think you're grossly underestimating the impact of these astroturf temper tantrums at the town halls.  I'm saying this as someone who thinks the whole thing stinks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2009, 01:33:11 AM
I think people are starting to disapprove because they're tired of hearing it.  The longer this thing gets dragged out, the lower the approval rating will be for the reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 14, 2009, 01:44:53 AM
It's just odd that MSM is gathering her an the gun toting dude to voice their opinion.

Both toiled with making their stance seem rational IMO.

i.e repub plants.

Strong retorts but not having opinions based on facts....only GOP talking points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 14, 2009, 02:00:39 AM
Has anyone investigated the behind-closed-doors shenanigans between Obama and Pharma?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 02:14:50 AM
Quote from: Willco on August 14, 2009, 02:00:39 AM
Has anyone investigated the behind-closed-doors shenanigans between Obama and Pharma?

There's nothing to really investigate- Obama fucked up.  Sure getting 80 billion back from pharma would be nice, but even IF they do (and there's no real guarantee pharma will cough up the money to my knowledge) the fact is that they're still leaving tens of billions more on the table that pharma is overcharging.  It's the kind of bs backroom deal that make people wary of govt. in general and this bill in particular.  The only thing for sure that the administration is getting is that pharma isn't fucking with the reform effort, and actually is helping to underwrite some pro-reform ads.  But if they expect to get much more than that on what's basically a handshake deal, they're fucking delusional. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 14, 2009, 02:16:50 AM
 :piss CHANGE :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2009, 02:22:43 AM
How much money could I make as a GOP "independent" voice? Seems like they're in need of some black plants
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 02:42:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2009, 02:22:43 AM
How much money could I make as a GOP "independent" voice? Seems like they're in need of some black plants

You'd do well, since you're homeskoold and all.  You just have to practice saying mind numbingly stupid shit without cracking up.  Oh, and also be cool with getting called an Uncle Tom a lot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2009, 02:45:36 AM
The deal with pharma is the worst thing the administration's done so far, except maybe the doubling down in Afghanistan.

It was also maybe a bit inevitable.  Health care reform wasn't going to get done without paying off one or more of the big stakeholders.  Hell, when Hillary was asked at a campaign stop how she'd get a health bill passed, she said she'd line up the AMA, pharma, the nurses, and large employers to override the insurance lobby.

This is why we need serious campaign finance and lobbying reform.  The deck is always stacked in favor of organized lobbies with huge amounts of money to dole out (as campaign contributions, as jobs for relatives, as a board of directors seat when you retire).

I'm anticipating similar frustration getting the energy bill passed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 14, 2009, 05:32:20 AM
Makiing backroom deals with Big Pharma is so awful I don't know where to begin, seeing as how they are the #1 Hydra head that needs to be cut for anything meaningful to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 05:37:57 AM
I wouldn't go that far, imo AHIP and all of the plans they represent are the main problem.  You could still have a pharma industry if you replaced private insurance with a single player plan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 14, 2009, 05:52:40 AM
Not using your high card (bargaing power and economy of scale) shows that you just aren't willing to take the proper steps.

The fact that they're pussing out so early is disheartening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 05:59:24 AM
I hate to say it, but it's looking more and more that people like Frag were right- Obama's desperate need to try and appear post-partisan is going to sabotage the stuff he gets through from being more effective.  Having a mean bastard of a politician that didn't give a shit about the Republicans or being seen as cuddly would be mighty useful right about now...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2009, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 14, 2009, 05:59:24 AM
Having a mean bastard of a politician that didn't give a shit about the Republicans or being seen as cuddly would be mighty useful right about now...

Like Hillary Clinton? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 14, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Change. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 14, 2009, 02:02:20 PM
[youtube=560,345]fRdLpem-AAs[/youtube]

Quote
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.” -Norman Thomas

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2009, 02:32:46 PM
You know, I've thought on and off of posting that Reagan thing for months.

Quote from: St. Ronnie of Hollywood
But let's also look from the other side. The freedom the doctor uses. A doctor would be reluctant to say this. Well, like you, I am only a patient, so I can say it in his behalf. A doctor begins to lose his freedom, it’s like telling a lie. One leads to another. First you decide the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the  various doctors by the government, but then the doctors are equally divided geographically, so a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him he can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors. You have to go some place else. And from here it is only a short step to dictating where he will go.

This is a freedom I wonder if any of us has a right to take from any human being. I know how I’d feel if you my fellow citizens, that to be an actor I had to be a government employee and work in a national theatre. Take it into your own occupation or that of your husband. All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it is a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay and pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.


Basically, Reagan was saying that if Medicare passed, we'd wind up with the government telling people how much they could earn, in what profession, and where they'd practice.  It's almost half a century later and we're still waiting.

Tells you how seriously to take all these slippery slope ZOMG COMMUNISM arguments.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 14, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
Holy shit! I started playing that assuming it was posted ironically and halfway through I glanced over at the poster and realized he was attempting a point.

Troll or distinguished mentally-challenged fellow? I report YOU DECIDE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2009, 02:58:03 PM
Quote from: Reagan
Walter Reuther said, “It’s no secret that the United Automobile Workers is officially on record of backing a program of national health insurance. And by national health insurance, he meant socialized medicine for every American.

Yep.  Walter Reuther was a big advocate of universal health care.  He offered to let the Big Three off the hook for employee hospitalization costs in return for them supporting UHC.

They turned him down, and hey!  Remember that time the auto companies were getting crushed under the burgeoning costs of health care obligations to their retirees?  Sure worked out great for them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 14, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 14, 2009, 02:50:19 PM
Holy shit! I started playing that assuming it was posted ironically and halfway through I glanced over at the poster and realized he was attempting a point.

Troll or distinguished mentally-challenged fellow? I report YOU DECIDE.

Why choose? I vote a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow's troll account.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on August 14, 2009, 04:59:46 PM
I am waiting for the Government funded Pills for Polacks program. I'm going habve to trade Kosma for some pain killers, because Karakaland is bound to trade himself in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 14, 2009, 05:59:24 AM
I hate to say it, but it's looking more and more that people like Frag were right- Obama's desperate need to try and appear post-partisan is going to sabotage the stuff he gets through from being more effective.  Having a mean bastard of a politician that didn't give a shit about the Republicans or being seen as cuddly would be mighty useful right about now...

Considering how the GOP shits their tightie whities any time Obama and the Democrats try to introduce some legislation, he might as well just forget the post-partisan attitude and make full court presses to get his legislation passed.  The longer this thing is debated, the less likely it will be to pass or at least watered down to the point where it isn't worth passing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2009, 09:43:49 PM
Destroying Jane the plumber wasn't enough. Lawrence O'Donnell continues the onslaught against another pinhead republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DFeyACpGyM

:bow :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
LARRY, LARRY, LARRY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 14, 2009, 10:31:03 PM
I try not to be a fan of any cable news bobblehead, but once in a while you see Lawrence O'Donnell whip out a 10" truth cock and the ensuing annihilation just makes you go fffffuuuuuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2009, 01:19:18 AM
I don't want to eliminate that socialism, just this one.  bu bu bu bu $600B in grant money yadayadayada
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
I still don't understand why we're even acknowledging the idea that the current health care proposals are anything anywhere near socialism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 15, 2009, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
I still don't understand why we're even acknowledging the idea that the current health care proposals are anything anywhere near socialism.

Yeah thats a good point. Why do we consider socialized medicine socialism at all?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2009, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
I still don't understand why we're even acknowledging the idea that the current health care proposals are anything anywhere near socialism.

It's not an argument built to persuade.

You hear it because there's a large chunk of the population that doesn't just disagree with or dislike the president, but considers him quite literally to be an enemy.

That's why you get quotes like "I'm scared of Obama because he's a socialist".  That's why you hear about death panels and FEMA concentration camps.  That's why Katy Abram said she didn't want the country turning to socialism "like Russia", even though Russia has one of the lowest-spending governments in the world. (http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html)

It's the same tribal fears that fueled the Muslim rumors, the Ayers rumors.  More generally, the ones that make people worry about the NAFTA highway and reconquista, or UN black helicopters.  It's the sense that people who are different from us and who hate us are going to take over our lives.

So it really doesn't matter that the proposed plans would re-entrench private insurance's role in the economy, or that end-of-life counseling is not murder.  This is emotional identity politics.

To steal a line from a British blogger writing about the town hall mobs, "It's not that I don't understand their thought processes: it's that what they say doesn't resemble thinking."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 15, 2009, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 15, 2009, 09:05:43 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
I still don't understand why we're even acknowledging the idea that the current health care proposals are anything anywhere near socialism.

Yeah thats a good point. Why do we consider socialized medicine socialism at all?

By your reasoning, America has been a socialist country for a long time thanks to "socialized" armies, libraries, roads, water systems, schools, post offices, fire departments, and police forces. (hint: America, like pretty much every nation, has a mixed economy)
Title: I'm developing a spiel on hardcore libertarians as religious zealots.
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2009, 09:39:49 PM
That's about where the "ZOMG socialism!" loses its effectiveness.

"This is socialism!"

"By that definition, so are [wildly popular government programs].  You want to get rid of those?"

At which point you've got two options:

1)  Sputter impotently and reach for the nearest talking points,

or

2)  Say "Yes, we want to do away with all that!" followed by humiliating electoral defeat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul#Republican_primary_campaign), comforted only by your own smug moral certitude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 15, 2009, 09:47:35 PM
I still don't understand how fully privatized sewers and roads are supposed to work, especially without government granted monopolies and public easements. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 10:19:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2009, 09:23:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
I still don't understand why we're even acknowledging the idea that the current health care proposals are anything anywhere near socialism.

It's not an argument built to persuade.

You hear it because there's a large chunk of the population that doesn't just disagree with or dislike the president, but considers him quite literally to be an enemy.

That's why you get quotes like "I'm scared of Obama because he's a socialist".  That's why you hear about death panels and FEMA concentration camps.  That's why Katy Abram said she didn't want the country turning to socialism "like Russia", even though Russia has one of the lowest-spending governments in the world. (http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html)

It's the same tribal fears that fueled the Muslim rumors, the Ayers rumors.  More generally, the ones that make people worry about the NAFTA highway and reconquista, or UN black helicopters.  It's the sense that people who are different from us and who hate us are going to take over our lives.

So it really doesn't matter that the proposed plans would re-entrench private insurance's role in the economy, or that end-of-life counseling is not murder.  This is emotional identity politics.

To steal a line from a British blogger writing about the town hall mobs, "It's not that I don't understand their thought processes: it's that what they say doesn't resemble thinking."

I'm not questioning why Republicans are calling it socialism, I'm questioning why health care reform's defenders are even responding to the argument. The way things are going it probably won't even have a public option, and it sure as hell isn't single-payer, so why get wrapped up in the argument? Anti-birthers don't bother getting mired in the other side's talking points, they just call it stupid and say why.

The negro-fearers arguments never resemble thinking and they are usually scoffed at, but in this debate I see a bunch of people sticking their neck out and defending the concept of socialized medicine even though that is not what is being proposed by our 'liberal' Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2009, 10:33:07 PM
Well, I don't think the administration or their institutional allies have been defending socialized medicine.  They've got their talking points, first of which is "if you like the plan you have, you can keep it".

They're going with basically the same strategy they used during the campaign dealing with the Seekrit Muslim rumors.  Try to flood the environment with the correct info and hope it doesn't get lost in the noise.

If you're talking about arguing with conservatarians about the more general merits of having a government provide social goods, then hell, that's what message boards were put on this planet for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 15, 2009, 10:39:38 PM
A large part of why Democrats and their allies have to respond to these absolutely stoopit arguments is that the media are a bunch of spineless wimps who, instead of treating these unbelievably moronic assertions with the derision and/or non coverage they so richly deserve, instead choose to have the same gang of idiots on to talk about them on Very Serious Broadcasts and treat them with deference.  "Up next we'll have former Congressman Tom Tancredo on to talk about how health care reform is, according to some, just a socialist plot to give free abortions to illegal immigrants and kill your white granny, and Governor Howard Dean who will tell you about the public option." 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2009, 10:51:40 PM
Eh. That Lawrence O'Donnell thing was a waste of time too. The message is getting lost.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
We'd be kidding ourselves if we thought a bill would have been passed already if only we liberals had better message coordination.

I know despondency's a reflex at this point, but let's not worry too much about the crazies dominating the news cycle (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/get-your-war-on-dominatin_n_131902.html).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 15, 2009, 11:31:15 PM
I think Libs/Dems were honestly caught flatfooted on this. I think they assumed general acknowledgment that the system is so fucked that no one could possibly defend it, then proposed reforms so weak they assumed there would be little opposition apart from a few special interest groups sqawking. Getting the full force of Wingnuttia comparing these reforms to Nazism and seeing how much purchase this FUD would get does seem to be something they didn't anticipate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2009, 01:14:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]K21_teAW0Zg[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K21_teAW0Zg

Pretty awesome juxtaposition between lunatics screaming about Hitler, socialism and God knows what the fuck else and people who HAVE JOBS AND INSURANCE having to wait in line for upwards of a dozen hours to get necessary treatment that is being denied to them, provided by an organization that was founded to give medical care to third world countries.  I just want to say THANK GOD that the media is covering the first story so much and not the second one.  Maybe if they carried crazy signs and shouted insane shit they'd get some coverage?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 16, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
I said it during the main election, UHC is merely a pipe dream among the left. It shipwrecked the Clinton presidency and looks to be doing the same to the Obama one.

Obama gave it a good try, but he (or future people) would be better off implementing reform in small bites. Trying this approach only invites big disappointment.

That being said, they can still salvage something out of this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2009, 03:48:34 PM
Sell your food stamps, it's all over.

Quote
WASHINGTON – Apparently ready to abandon the idea, President Barack Obama's health secretary said Sunday a government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul.

The White House indicated it could jettison the contentious public option and settle on insurance cooperatives as an acceptable alternative, a move embraced by some Republicans lawmakers who have strongly opposed the administration's approach so far.

Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess. Obama has been pressing for the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation's almost 50 million uninsured.

Sebelius said the White House would be open to co-ops instead of a government-run public option, a sign Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory on the must-win showdown.


"Change" indeed. More like "Chang3"

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 16, 2009, 04:14:34 PM
That sucks but it is to be expected.  The thing was dragged out for too long, giving way so the GOP could significantly jack up the fearmongering.  Also, his pharmaceutical compromise was crappy as well.  Besides the Dow is around 9000 so many Americans think the economy is just fine without health care reform; that there was nothing really wrong going on other than corrupt banking practices.  If the Dow slumped under 6000, the outcome might have been different.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 16, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
I said it during the main election, UHC is merely a pipe dream among the left. It shipwrecked the Clinton presidency and looks to be doing the same to the Obama one.

Obama gave it a good try, but he (or future people) would be better off implementing reform in small bites. Trying this approach only invites big disappointment.

That being said, they can still salvage something out of this.

The best time to implement UHC was 60-70 years ago.  Either during the Great Depression or right after World War II, where they could just implement UHC because of the millions of new veterans that would get government health care anyway.  I doubt it would have been a significant transition either.  It was also before the significant increases of peacetime defense spending wrt the cold war.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
Quote from: T EXP on August 16, 2009, 04:14:34 PM
The best time to implement UHC was 60-70 years ago.  Either during the Great Depression or right after World War II, where they could just implement UHC because of the millions of new veterans that would get government health care anyway.  I doubt it would have been a significant transition either.  It was also before the significant increases of peacetime defense spending wrt the cold war.

We should start a think tank that argues a government sponsored terrorist attack is the only way to ensure UHC is passed.

brb going to law school, see you in the cabinet in 20yrs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 16, 2009, 07:14:09 PM
I fucking hate this country, at times. I swear, if I could make films in another country with the talent pool we have here, I'd jet in a fucking second.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 16, 2009, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 16, 2009, 07:14:09 PM
I fucking hate this country, at times. I swear, if I could make films in another country with the talent pool we have here, I'd jet in a fucking second.

What happened to canada. That place was a film making hotbed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 16, 2009, 08:40:18 PM
Not really.

Vancouver is a production hotbed - nobody makes films there.  You just shoot your films there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 16, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 16, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
I said it during the main election, UHC is merely a pipe dream among the left. It shipwrecked the Clinton presidency and looks to be doing the same to the Obama one.

Obama gave it a good try, but he (or future people) would be better off implementing reform in small bites. Trying this approach only invites big disappointment.

That being said, they can still salvage something out of this.

Roughly agreed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 16, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
I highly doubt any major healthcare or energy reforms will get passed in the next few years.  Obama will probably still get reelected though since he'll get the credit for the improving economy.  And then maybe we'll see actual reforms getting passed in the second term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 16, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
I saw a quote on gaf that sums it up for me:

"The call has been made for the serfs to protect their corporate lords."

As Hitokage put it:

"The plantation owners have the slaves campaigning for slavery."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 16, 2009, 09:47:50 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 16, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
I highly doubt any major healthcare or energy reforms will get passed in the next few years.  Obama will probably still get reelected though since he'll get the credit for the improving economy.  And then maybe we'll see actual reforms getting passed in the second term.


Fuck the health of the people AND their environment. It hurts profits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 16, 2009, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 16, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
I highly doubt any major healthcare or energy reforms will get passed in the next few years.  Obama will probably still get reelected though since he'll get the credit for the improving economy.  And then maybe we'll see actual reforms getting passed in the second term.

That makes no sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2009, 10:56:06 PM
Some sort of lame half-assed insurance reforms will get passed this fall; more likely than not, co-ops will be a part of it.  Of course, BCBS started out as a co-op and look at it now!  The administration will trumpet it as a win but it is most likely not gonna be anything worth writing home over. 

Obama's best bets to gain leverage for the 2010 and 2012 elections (to say nothing of actually getting shit passed) will probably be to have the economy keep improving and to either catch or kill bin Laden.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 16, 2009, 11:39:31 PM
Osama's probably dead.
Quote from: Willco on August 16, 2009, 10:04:54 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 16, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
I highly doubt any major healthcare or energy reforms will get passed in the next few years.  Obama will probably still get reelected though since he'll get the credit for the improving economy.  And then maybe we'll see actual reforms getting passed in the second term.
That makes no sense.
What?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 16, 2009, 11:50:54 PM
If the Dow is going up, he'll be fine.

The idea of UHC is probably dead for another 15 years.  Maybe we'll get it in less than 200 years after Germany implemented it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2009, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 16, 2009, 09:38:30 PM
I highly doubt any major healthcare or energy reforms will get passed in the next few years.  Obama will probably still get reelected though since he'll get the credit for the improving economy.  And then maybe we'll see actual reforms getting passed in the second term.

That's just not how it works.  It's much harder for a president to push through major legislation in their second term.  Look at FDR, LBJ, Reagan and Dubya.  Realistically, it's the next couple years or bust.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 16, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
I said it during the main election, UHC is merely a pipe dream among the left. It shipwrecked the Clinton presidency and looks to be doing the same to the Obama one.

Obama gave it a good try, but he (or future people) would be better off implementing reform in small bites. Trying this approach only invites big disappointment.

That being said, they can still salvage something out of this.

That would be nice if that were true, but the nature of health insurance makes "small bites" problematic.

It's not like environmental public health issues, for example.  Lead in the water, smoke in the air, mercury in the food chain.  You pass a bill dealing with all of it, or pass several narrower bills, and it will basically have the same effect.  Failure to clean up one thing won't undermine your efforts to clean up something else.

Ditto pilot programs dealing with education/crime/drug.  A needle exchange in Baltimore will work or fail regardless of what the policy is in Oakland.

Health care, not so much.

The way the system is, you can't even somewhat effectively address either of the big problems (exploding costs and uninsured Americans) without either 1) a massive expansion of government or 2) a bill with a lot of moving parts to keep people from cheating the system so badly it collapses.

Say you want to make it so people don't worry about losing their coverage if they lose their job.  That was a goal of both Obama and McCain's plans during the campaign, is a wildly popular idea, and certainly sounds less ambitious than a revamp of the entire system.

If you do it by replacing the employee healthcare subsidy with individual vouchers, employers will offer coverage to fewer workers.  These workers then use the vouchers to buy plans on the market.  But if they're over 40 or have been in the hospital the last year, they probably won't be able to afford a plan on the individual market.  So the government has to step in and regulate insurance companies so they use community rating and ignore pre-existing conditions.  But if someone knows a pre-existing condition won't disqualify them from coverage, their best bet is to not spend any money on insurance (getting only what the voucher will pay for), they'll wait until they or a loved one gets sick, then sign up for the nice, low-deductible comprehensive plan.  So then you need to implement either a surtax or a mandate on people with little or no coverage to keep them from gaming the system.  But that would mean taking money from poor people who can't afford coverage, which you could get around by either helping pay for their costs or waiving the surtax/mandate.  Also, you'd need to implement some system for tracking and enforcing compliance with these rules for both the insurers and customers.

Which gets us *long inhale* in the neighborhood of the current plan.

Basically, any tweak to the system that's not completely insignificant needs to be packaged with another billion rule changes to keep it from being exploited.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 17, 2009, 05:55:40 AM
That last point is a very good one, Mandark. Never thought of it.

At least the Dems will get some political capital out of this. They can still paint the Republicans as enemies of change due to their public campaign of FUD and manufactured outrage. But the truth is that Blue Dogs were the real ones that gummed up the works on this deal. It's always been the achilles heel of the left, they are a party of such varied interest groups that it's hard to get them all lockstep on the big issues. Whereas the Republicans are quite the opposite (sometimes leading each other over a cliff, as it were).

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 17, 2009, 07:48:05 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602 (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602)
Quote
Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.


Ru-roh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2009, 07:49:00 PM
I'm shocked by that news omgwtfbbqqqqqqqqqq
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 17, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/static/about_us

Quote
The Cybercast News Service was launched on June 16, 1998 as a news source for individuals, news organizations and broadcasters who put a higher premium on balance than spin and seek news that’s ignored or under-reported as a result of media bias by omission.

Study after study by the Media Research Center, the parent organization of CNSNews.com, clearly demonstrate a liberal bias in many news outlets – bias by commission and bias by omission – that results in a frequent double-standard in editorial decisions on what constitutes "news."

In response to these shortcomings, MRC Chairman L. Brent Bozell III founded CNSNews.com in an effort to provide an alternative news source that would cover stories that are subject to the bias of omission and report on other news subject to bias by commission.

CNSNews.com endeavors to fairly present all legitimate sides of a story and debunk popular, albeit incorrect, myths about cultural and policy issues.

CNSNews.com has a full staff of credentialed journalists at its world headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia, staffs full time news bureaus in Jerusalem and the Pacific Rim, and works with credentialed correspondents in London, Paris, Moscow and Nairobi. In addition to news, CNSNews.com is proud to present a full slate of commentaries by some of the brightest minds and sharpest wits in the nation, and a full stable of cartoonists to provide you with a morning political chuckle.

CNSNews.com is a division of the Media Research Center, a not-for-profit 501 (c)(3) organization. Like National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System, CNSNews.com is able to provide its services and information to the public at no cost, thanks to the generous support of our thousands of donors and their tax-deductible contributions. However, unlike NPR or PBS, CNSNews.com does not accept any federal tax money for its operations.

L. Brent Bozell III wrote this awesome gem, titled "Country Music: Too Much Freedom-Loving?"

http://www.mrc.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2009/col20090514.asp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 17, 2009, 08:10:10 PM
 :piss :piss :piss                                              :piss2 :piss2 :piss2
 
Quote from: T EXP on August 17, 2009, 08:01:40 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/static/about_us

Quote
The Cybercast News Service was launched on June 16, 1998 as a news source for individuals, news organizations and broadcasters who put a higher premium on balance than spin and seek news that’s ignored or under-reported as a result of media bias by omission.

Study after study by the Media Research Center, the parent organization of CNSNews.com, clearly demonstrate a liberal bias in many news outlets – bias by commission and bias by omission – that results in a frequent double-standard in editorial decisions on what constitutes "news."

In response to these shortcomings, MRC Chairman L. Brent Bozell III founded CNSNews.com in an effort to provide an alternative news source that would cover stories that are subject to the bias of omission and report on other news subject to bias by commission.

CNSNews.com endeavors to fairly present all legitimate sides of a story and debunk popular, albeit incorrect, myths about cultural and policy issues.

CNSNews.com has a full staff of credentialed journalists at its world headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia, staffs full time news bureaus in Jerusalem and the Pacific Rim, and works with credentialed correspondents in London, Paris, Moscow and Nairobi. In addition to news, CNSNews.com is proud to present a full slate of commentaries by some of the brightest minds and sharpest wits in the nation, and a full stable of cartoonists to provide you with a morning political chuckle.

CNSNews.com is a division of the Media Research Center, a not-for-profit 501 (c)(3) organization. Like National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System, CNSNews.com is able to provide its services and information to the public at no cost, thanks to the generous support of our thousands of donors and their tax-deductible contributions. However, unlike NPR or PBS, CNSNews.com does not accept any federal tax money for its operations.

L. Brent Bozell III wrote this awesome gem, titled "Country Music: Too Much Freedom-Loving?"

http://www.mrc.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2009/col20090514.asp

Damn liberal media with their facts and anti-corporate regulation. We must take this nation back so we can create more financial bubbles to exploit our loyal followers with.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 18, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 17, 2009, 07:48:05 PM
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602 (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602)
Quote
Self-identified conservatives outnumber self-identified liberals in all 50 states of the union, according to the Gallup Poll.


Ru-roh
Utterly meaningless as self described "conservatives" almost always outnumber self described "liberals" in this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 18, 2009, 12:27:48 AM
THe guy that owns the company I work for is a hard core republican. His son is also the legal counsel for said company also  a HC repub. So I have to watch what I say.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 18, 2009, 01:17:58 AM
"liberal" has been turned into a slur in america even though a majority of people here unknowingly support liberal viewpoints, so that's not surprising
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2009, 05:28:36 AM
Quote from: Crushed on August 18, 2009, 01:17:58 AM
"liberal" has been turned into a slur in america even though a majority of people here unknowingly support liberal viewpoints, so that's not surprising

And "intellectual" also took a beating. Especially "intellectual elite," though as was pointed out by some comedian or another, wouldn't you prefer your doctor or lawyer was a member of the "intellectual elite"? So wouldn't you also want the country run by someone smart?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 18, 2009, 06:49:11 AM
Who gives a cock what "self-proclaimed" jerkoffs label themselves as?  Nobody's all in one party so when people claim that they are, that just means they want to circle-jerk over the new vpilf, black guy, or wrinkly insane fuck in your particular case, foc.

2/3 of the country circle-jerking each other is at best socialism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2009, 04:28:35 PM
Matt Taibbi says all that needs to be said: (http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/08/17/key-feature-of-obama-health-plan-may-be-out-washingtonpost-com/)

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I’ll say this for George Bush: you’d never have caught him frantically negotiating against himself to take the meat out of a signature legislative initiative just because his approval ratings had a bad summer. Can you imagine Bush and Karl Rove allowing themselves to be paraded through Washington on a leash by some dimwit Republican Senator of a state with six people in it the way the Obama White House this summer is allowing Max Baucus (favorite son of the mighty state of Montana) to frog-march them to a one-term presidency?

To quote Method Man’s Calvin “Cheese” Wagstaff character from The Wire, “This is some shameless shit right here.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2009, 05:07:51 PM
Was Taibbi not paying attention the last five years?

Bush's two "signature legislative initiatives" went nowhere: a watered-down immigration bill that still couldn't pass the Senate, and a social security privatization plan that never even made it out of committee.

In both those cases, the Bush admin passed a lot of responsibility for writing and negotiating the bills to Congress, because they figured (correctly) they wouldn't be able to dictate the legislation and force it through.

Obama should feel pressure from his left, but you can do that without getting all ahistorical.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2009, 05:38:47 PM
Mandark, you're comparing second term apples to first term oranges.  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 18, 2009, 09:45:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]GVS4Zgjm8HE[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on August 18, 2009, 10:40:32 PM
I can't watch crazy people.  It just makes me mad.

This makes watching politics hard  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 18, 2009, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 18, 2009, 09:45:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]GVS4Zgjm8HE[/youtube]
There's video is really weird.  She's wearing some sort of Israel Defense [Force?] t-shirt w/Texas state earrings (I think) and she makes fun of his hospital bill like a 5 year old would.  She might be insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 18, 2009, 11:51:33 PM
Don't worry, she's a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation. She tries to Uncle Tom him by saying he of all people should hate Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2009, 12:48:39 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 18, 2009, 05:38:47 PM
Mandark, you're comparing second term apples to first term oranges.  :P

We all know why Bush was able to get his way so easily in 2002-3 and I'd rather not see those circumstances repeat.  Pre-9/11 Bush passed an education bill co-written by Ted Kennedy and a tax cut (the easiest, most popular thing you can call major legislation).

I think Taibbi's piece captures a kind of liberal self-flagellation.  The sky is falling, failure is immanent, and our guys are ineffectual wimps while theirs are Machiavellian geniuses.  I get where he's coming from.  The administration has been disappointing in a few areas and the process of getting this through Congress has been dumb and frustrating.

But it misses two things.  First, comprehensive reform of the US health system is really fucking hard.  That's why it's never happened before.  Second, the climate has shifted towards reform pretty drastically in the last few years.  This plan is vastly more ambitious (even without the public plan) than the ones Gore and Kerry ran on, and health care wasn't a major issue in the 2006 elections.  That this is even happening now is in large part because of Obama himself (and my boy Edwards, for pushing it to the forefront in the primaries).

The final bill is going to be less than it should be, but just a few years ago we would have killed to get something like this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 19, 2009, 01:32:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 18, 2009, 05:07:51 PM
Was Taibbi not paying attention the last five years?

Bush's two "signature legislative initiatives" went nowhere: a watered-down immigration bill that still couldn't pass the Senate, and a social security privatization plan that never even made it out of committee.

In both those cases, the Bush admin passed a lot of responsibility for writing and negotiating the bills to Congress, because they figured (correctly) they wouldn't be able to dictate the legislation and force it through.

Obama should feel pressure from his left, but you can do that without getting all ahistorical.


Whenever I  see Matt Taibbi's name on a piece I know it's going to be an alarmist, not realistic screed on how the world operates in many cases. In that sense he reminds me a lot of GAF...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2009, 03:27:16 AM
Looks like the Dems might have finally found their balls and landed on planet earth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?_r=3&hp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 19, 2009, 03:33:25 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 19, 2009, 12:48:39 AM
The sky is falling, failure is immanent, and our guys are ineffectual wimps while theirs are Machiavellian geniuses.

Nah, it has less to do with intelligence and more to do with testosterone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2009, 10:23:01 AM
[youtube=560,345]tWwyjwmYMEs[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWwyjwmYMEs

I have been waiting for this- idiots having to deal with Barney Frank, who has a lethal combination of wit and knowledge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2009, 10:29:08 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2009, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2009, 10:29:08 AM
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:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2009, 01:34:33 PM
lol

LaRouche people are so brainwashed it's impossible to argue with them. They hand out similar fliers outside our campus library. My brother loves wasting his time debating them while I (normally) just walk by. The funniest thing is that LaRouche has just about everything he's ever said on his website, so a little digging can show you articles that make some hilarious predictions

-US will collapse in the 80s, while the Soviet Union becomes world super power
-Obama campaign will be destroyed by the British
-Bloomberg is the British's preferred candidate, will somehow contest election

etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 19, 2009, 02:07:44 PM
My mom sent me an e-mail with a WaPost editorial saying that the liberals need to drop the public option because it's stupid.

So I annihilated her with surveys, editorials by far more qualified individuals, etc.

Have not heard back from her. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
Send her the Barney Frank video.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 19, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
She hates Barney Frank, she'd just refuse to watch it and call him a dirty liberal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2009, 04:04:17 PM
http://www.newmajority.com/what-if-we-win-the-healthcare-fight

Quote from: David Frum (former Bush speechwriter
Even worse will be the way this fight is won: basically by convincing older Americans already covered by a government health program, Medicare, that Obama’s reform plans will reduce their coverage. In other words, we’ll have sent a powerful message to the entire political system to avoid at all hazards any tinkering with Medicare except to make it more generous for the already covered.

Basically, the GOP has been arguing against the government expanding health care coverage by pretending that the government is really shrinking health care coverage.  So much for those dreams of rolling back the welfare state.



PS Shouldn't a political movement that embraced The Bell Curve not be allowed to accuse other people of supporting eugenics?  Just saying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 20, 2009, 12:25:06 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pncsn98kU70&[/youtube]
 :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 20, 2009, 12:41:39 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 19, 2009, 10:23:01 AM
[youtube=560,345]tWwyjwmYMEs[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWwyjwmYMEs

I have been waiting for this- idiots having to deal with Barney Frank, who has a lethal combination of wit and knowledge.

That's fucking awesome. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 20, 2009, 08:58:05 PM
(http://15.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kop26spwzM1qzh4iio1_500.jpg)

Stolen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 21, 2009, 12:18:15 AM
Holy crap at The Daily Show right now :lol

John is getting irritated :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 21, 2009, 10:19:25 AM
[youtube=560,345]dGT3AnUGzMU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Willco on August 21, 2009, 12:18:15 AM
Holy crap at The Daily Show right now :lol

John is getting irritated :lol

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3247119&ref=fpblg

Never found him funny but when he wants to be he's a better news host than real ones
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on August 21, 2009, 11:30:53 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 15, 2009, 10:39:38 PM
The media are a bunch of spineless wimps

no, for the most part, the media is a sensationalist, liberal biased, business.  :)

Quote from: Crushed on August 18, 2009, 01:17:58 AM
"liberal" has been turned into a slur in america even though a majority of people here unknowingly support liberal viewpoints, so that's not surprising

Because Liberals aren't really true Liberals anymore. Now they are Socialists calling themselves Liberals :)

Liberty > Change. Enough said.  :)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/21/navarrette.democrats.health/index.html

Quote
Obama's problem is his own party. The president is learning that herding donkeys is like herding cats, and that the extremes -- on the far right and far left -- can't be reasoned with. If he tries to please the conservative blue dogs, he loses the liberal yellow dogs. And vice versa.


Honestly, this is the biggest reason they had issues getting this Healthcare reform passed the way it was.

Quote
"I mean, if you think about it," Obama told a town hall audience, "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? No, they are. It's the Post Office that's always having problems."

That's gotta be the worst sales line ever. How can politicians expect taxpayers to buy into this if that is their best sales line?


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 11:38:30 AM
Yea, the Post Office comment is pretty odd, and he's said it more than once.

btw the Daily Show segment is surreal. She wants to play show 'n tell without showing anything, and when she finally does show her hand it's pretty weak. Jon actually does his job though. I can't imagine any network "journalists" asking her to show them there the word mandate is in the bill, or pressing her after realizing it's not in the bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 21, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
"I like you, but I don't understand how your brain works." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 21, 2009, 12:12:49 PM
[youtube=560,345]PsKGqns_Aek[/youtube]

O'Reilly is butthurt. Pretty clever to do this the same day before they go to vacation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 12:14:02 PM
Hopefully Clinton is right, that once the bill passes and people realize all the bad stuff that was supposed to happen doesn't happen, they'll chill the fuck out. Well at least normal people will. You can tell some people "that one" is gonna take yer guns every 4 years and they'll believe it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 21, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
[youtube=560,345]lNzA9LfMlmU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 12:25:08 PM
O'Reilly accusing people of taking things out of context to strengthen their points?  :lol

The Daily Show uses deceptive editing like everyone else. But the actual....facts presented on the show are almost always better than network hosts. Also, if O'Reilly can call crazy conspiracy protesters loons if they're liberal, has he done the same for the crazy conspiracy protesters at these town hall meetings who are conservative? Not all of them are of course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 01:19:50 PM
Oh shit, Mandark/Willco on notice
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Huckabee_Evangelicals_more_supportive_of_Israel_than_Jews.html?showall

:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 21, 2009, 01:26:59 PM
Chances are, if Mike Huckabee is on your side of a debate, then you're on the wrong side of the debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 21, 2009, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 12:14:02 PM
Hopefully Clinton is right, that once the bill passes and people realize all the bad stuff that was supposed to happen doesn't happen, they'll chill the fuck out. Well at least normal people will. You can tell some people "that one" is gonna take yer guns every 4 years and they'll believe it

I really thought something like that would happen once Obama had been president for a while.  I was looking forward to talking to the few wingnuts I know.

"Remember how you thought Obama was a black radical Muslim communist and he was going to kill whitey?" I'd say, after several months of center-left policy initiatives.  "Heh.  I guess I was a bit over the top" they'd say with a sheepish grin.

But if anything, they've gotten crazier.  They'll be like this for both terms, and then for decades afterwards.  Constructing an alternate reality is their only discernible skill.  Once the health plan passes, I guarantee you the conservative chain email pipeline will churn out made-up anecdotes about horrible things happening to patients.


Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 01:19:50 PM
Oh shit, Mandark/Willco on notice
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/Huckabee_Evangelicals_more_supportive_of_Israel_than_Jews.html?showall

drudge

I don't think I could comment without churning out a huge, angry rant, so I'll just quote Robert Farley here:

"I do wish that the Christian Right's vision of Jews as hors d'oeuvres of the Apocalypse would bother more Israelis. It seems painfully obvious to me that transforming support for Israel into a partisan issue in the United States, and linking that support to the most bitterly reactionary and anti-cosmopolitan segments of American society, is not, as they say, good for the Jews."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on August 21, 2009, 06:38:30 PM
Yeah, the whole "we support your country so that we can see it obliterated in accordance with our eschatology" is just total nuttery.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2009, 06:55:25 PM
Quote
CANTEL MEDICAL CORP. (NYSE: CMN) announced that on August 20, 2009 it received a letter of resignation from Ms. Elizabeth McCaughey as a director of the Company.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0809/McCaughey_loses_board_seat.html?showall
 :lol

Jon Stewart is stacking bodies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 21, 2009, 07:05:36 PM
Wow :lol I had just watched that re airing of The Daily show a couple of hours ago
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on August 21, 2009, 07:34:07 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 21, 2009, 12:12:49 PM
[youtube=560,345]PsKGqns_Aek[/youtube]

O'Reilly is butthurt. Pretty clever to do this the same day before they go to vacation.

It's pretty funny that those clips don't make O'reilly/Fox look any better. I don't think he knows what the word 'context' means.


And LOL at that dumb chick resigning.

:bow :bow :bow Jon Stewart :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 22, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361014098225036.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361014098225036.html)

Fiscal Conservatism and the Soul of the GOP
Quote from: WSJ
California needs a strong leader, says Texas governor Rick Perry. That strong leader, Mr. Perry thinks, needs to go to Sacramento and "take special interests out" of government. He needs to "make massive cuts" in spending and taxes. And he needs "to make major changes in the constitution," including tort reform.

What about Arnold Schwarzenegger? "Arnold—I think Arnold squandered that chance."

Six years ago, Mr. Perry's state underwent a critical tort reform that was codified in the state constitution. The payoff is that Texas is now outpacing California economically. According to the Texas Public Policy Foundation, between 1997 and 2006 Texas' economy grew an average of 4.3% while California's grew at a rate of 3.7%. But as of 2002 (to 2007), with tort reform in place, Texas' annual economic growth jumped to 5%, while California's remained essentially the same at 3.6%.
The bottom line? Tax-and-spend governance is as bankrupt as California's bank account. By way of illustration, the governor replays a conversation he had with Rudy Giuliani during the presidential primaries.

They were talking about Michigan. "The Michigan governor was making statements about having to raise taxes so [they could keep] services at the level they were, instead of, like we did in Texas, cutting, not raising, taxes and cutting spending. There was a great difference in political philosophy. In Michigan, a liberal democrat raised taxes and kept their government programs at the same level. And guess what? Their economy continued into the toilet, it continued down.

:bow (http://www.ncmtv.org/gala/vips/i/tx_rick_perry.jpg) :bow2

Why is this guy not a Saint yet? smh

I love how his omnipotence permits him to conveniently forget about the housing bubble's effects on California's economy as well as Michigan's insular reliance on the auto-industry. And that's not even addressing the source of those numbers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 22, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
So Rick Perry the Secessionist's advice is to just advocate the same worthless 40 year old GOP ideas that caused the country's economy to go down the shitter.  Fantastic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 22, 2009, 09:12:54 PM
I'd love to see Stewart go on the O'Reilly factor and Crossfire his ass, though BO is savy enough to not let that happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 24, 2009, 05:53:42 AM
Krugman bringing the ruckus :rock (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/reflexively-anti-bush/)

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Reflexively anti-Bush
Marc Ambinder has emailed me to vehemently disagree with my characterization of his views. Read what he wrote, and reach your own conclusions.

But I’d like to return to one point: even after retracting his statement about people who correctly surmised that terror warnings were political being motivated by “gut hatred” of Bush, he left in the bit about being “reflexively anti-Bush”. I continue to find it really sad that people still say things like this.

Bear in mind that by the time the terror alert controversy arose in 2004, we had already seen two tax cuts sold on massively, easily documented false pretenses; a war launched with constant innuendo about a Saddam-Osama link that was clearly false, and with claims about WMDs that were clearly shaky from the beginning and had proved to be entirely without foundation. We’d also seen vast, well-documented dishonesty and politicization on environmental policy. Oh, and Abu Ghraib was already public knowledge.

Given all that, it made complete sense to distrust anything the Bush administration said. That wasn’t reflexive, it was rational.

And anyway, who were these reflexively anti-Bushists? Howard Dean? Read what he actually said at the time, and it looks totally sensible (and prescient). Me? I think my columns from that period look pretty sound in the light of hindsight. Bloggers like Atrios or Kos? Again, if you read their archives what’s striking is how sane they come off compared with the “serious” voices of the time.

So to repeat, it’s really sad to have people still writing as if those who failed to see what was right in front of their noses were the sober, serious ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2009, 12:53:47 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/8/23/771489/-Foxs-death-book-lie

what the fucking fuck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2009, 02:51:39 PM
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WANTS TO KILL MY GRANNY AND MY VETERAN UNCLE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 24, 2009, 03:52:09 PM
Normally I stick to the "Democrats are giant pussies" camp.

Giving them a "Huuuuh...whaaaa?" moment of flatfootedness in the face of genuine crazy passing for public discourse is kind of acceptable though. They do need to get back on their game at some point, hopefully soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 03:57:04 PM
This town hall with McCain is making nuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 04:01:39 PM
This woman called him Senator Kennedy by accident, and the audience booed. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2009, 04:03:56 PM
What's happening?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
Mostly Glenn Beck fans getting up and angrily making comments (not questions), not really directed at McCain.

omg.

I just heard, "I HEARD THEY ARE GOING TO REDO THE CONSTITUTION CAN THEY DO THAT?!!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2009, 04:07:41 PM
 :lol

fuck, this better be posted somewhere soon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2009, 04:20:53 PM
GAF is saying some old lady just owned the crowd with the medicare=socialism point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 04:22:01 PM
She attempted to, but mostly got booed. Not all of the people speaking were nutjobs, just 95%.

Someone started shouting over McCain and he went, "There will be no shouting in MY town hall."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
I also heard someone bring up illegal immigration. :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:09:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]EcijeEtf-wA[/youtube]

Old people. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:02:43 PM
I also heard someone bring up illegal immigration. :dizzy

I read that whoever did that got a big round of applause.

It came up at that Tampa town hall (http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/article1025529.ece) a few weeks ago, too.

Quote
She pressed on, mostly unheard among screams from the audience estimated by Tampa police to be about 1,500.

"Tell the truth! Tell the truth!" "Read the bill!" "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!"

But it would be wrong to imply that these citizens were motivated by anything other than informed concerns about policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
In retrospect, I think people will look back and ask us how our generation did not understand that all of this (birthers, townies, etc.) was just thinly-veiled racism.

But, yeah, she got a big round of applause.

I also appreciate McCain not being a total prick and sucking up to the crowd. He's a lot more likable when he's not running for President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:13:07 PM
This is why people think liberals are a bunch of raving idiots.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=bw-20010714:20090825005791:1&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=bw-20010714:20090825005791:1&show_article=1)

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In response to a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed by Whole Foods’ Chief Executive Officer John Mackey, activists, consumers and labor groups around the country have been organizing in opposition to his efforts to undermine meaningful health care reform.

Over the course of the next few weeks, members and staff from the United Food and Commercial Workers Union (UFCW) will be disseminating educational information to Whole Foods shoppers. The purpose of these efforts will be to set the record straight about health care reform and to raise serious concerns about Whole Foods CEO’s position on this critical issue. These events will be part of a series of regional educational efforts being planned for the coming weeks.

Anyone that knows someone that works at a whole foods knows that they treat their employees top notch.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Whole Foods Market has been included in Fortune magazine's annual list of the "100 Best Companies to Work For" every year since the list's inception in 1998, most recently at No. 5 in 2007.


In the 2006 Harris Interactive/The Wall Street Journal ranking of the world's best and worst corporate reputations, Whole Foods placed 12th overall and received the best score of any company for social responsibility.

Whole Foods was included in Corporate Responsibility Officer magazine's annual "100 Best Corporate Citizens" list for 2007, ranking No. 54 out of 1,100 U.S. public companies surveyed. The ranking is based on measures of corporate service to eight groups: shareholders, community, governance, diversity, employees, environment, human rights and product.
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:piss Liberals :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
What does the fact that Whole Foods is a good company to work for matter in context to its CEO making a really stupid comment?

Your logic leap is astounding. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:12:32 PM
In retrospect, I think people will look back and ask us how our generation did not understand that all of this (birthers, townies, etc.) was just thinly-veiled racism.

You sir have a different opion than me about the issues of the day. Instead of engaging in debate with you or trying to persuade you, I will merly show my ignorance and call you a racist. Good Say sir.

 :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:18:27 PM
Do you believe the correlation of people who think the President is a Keyan and their political affiliation and geography is a coincidence? What does illegal immigration have to do with health care reform? Why are people bringing firearms to town halls?

It must be nice to have your head in the sand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:18:44 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:15:10 PM
What does the fact that Whole Foods is a good company to work for matter in context to its CEO making a really stupid comment?

Your logic leap is astounding. :lol

I'll ignore the fact that you think a different opinon is "a really stupid comment?"

And just say that its pointless to boycot a whole company, that has a proven history of being an excellent employer, because their CEO isnt liberal enough.

Go ahead and boyvot whole foods. Then maybe they will close down and walmart will take their spot.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 25, 2009, 05:18:50 PM
Whole Foods' CEO has always been an abashed lolbertopian (the only real distinction is that he's actually accomplished something in life *cough* *cough*)

The general clientele that WF caters to might be interested in the fact he's leading a charge against UHC though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:19:05 PM
Nice to see someone defending Birthers as just having "a different opion than me about the issues of the day."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:18:27 PM
Do you believe the correlation of people who think the President is a Keyan and their political affiliation and geography is a coincidence? What does illegal immigration have to do with health care reform? Why are people bringing firearms to town halls?

What color is this mans skin?

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/08/18/obama.protest.rifle/art.obama.gun.pool.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:18:44 PM
I'll ignore the fact that you think a different opinon is "a really stupid comment?"

His comment that eating Whole Foods is the solution to health care is distinguished mentally-challenged. It's not even something the Republicans can get behind!

... that's how you know it's bad.

Quote
And just say that its pointless to boycot a whole company, that has a proven history of being an excellent employer, because their CEO isnt liberal enough.

It doesn't say anything about boycotting Whole Foods, but distributing information to consumers and workers about the CEO and the company's line on health care reform.

Nice little fantasy you created, though.

Quote
Go ahead and boyvot whole foods. Then maybe they will close down and walmart will take their spot.  :lol

I don't get this joke. ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:23:59 PM
I bet the whole foods CEO is racist too! Right guys? Right!!!!!  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:22:54 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:18:27 PM
Do you believe the correlation of people who think the President is a Keyan and their political affiliation and geography is a coincidence? What does illegal immigration have to do with health care reform? Why are people bringing firearms to town halls?

What color is this mans skin?

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/08/18/obama.protest.rifle/art.obama.gun.pool.jpg)

Drats! You have obviously foiled my plan, by pointing out a black man carrying a firearm.

... Since you're a big fan of relativism, I should let you know that there were black Confederate soldiers too!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:26:35 PM
Uhhh that's the famous gun weilding incident you are talking about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
Here's a question.

Say you're a raving libertarian like Ron Paul or FoC, who believes that 95% of the federal government's current operations are unconstitutional, and are dead set against the state restricting the freedom of people.

Why would you make one giant exception and give the government the authority to track down, arrest, and deport people who hadn't harmed anyone and were willing to work?  Why go against your principles in this one case?  The government can't implement different marginal tax rates, but it's okay to use force to tell people where they can't live?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:27:37 PM
I'll help you out wilco since you don't watch the news.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/obama.protest.rifle/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/obama.protest.rifle/index.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:28:12 PM
Flame thinks that's the only incident :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
Why would you make one giant exception and give the government the authority to track down, arrest, and deport people who hadn't harmed anyone and were willing to work?  Why go against your principles in this one case?  The government can't implement different marginal tax rates, but it's okay to use force to tell people where they can't live?

Most libertarians, including me are against that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:29:51 PM
The article says there was even an incident in another state where the President attended a town hall. And there's been more nutjobs packing heat at town halls where the President is not attending! :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:28:12 PM
Flame thinks that's the only incident :lol

That is the most famous incident by a mile. That was the incident in the news and on the radio. Mabe all the sand in your fat vag is getting in the way for you?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:32:01 PM
Actually wilco, you're right. That black guy was racist. You found him out.

 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 25, 2009, 05:32:48 PM
The funniest part was that his main interviewer was also a guy wearing a sidearm to a Presidental event.

"What's that Dr. Frankenstein? Why this mob was out for a good stroll and wanted some torches to provide illumination and these pitchforks are just in case a good gardening session breaks out. HOW DARE YOU IMPLY OTHERWISE GOOD SIR!!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2009, 05:37:10 PM
Yeah, sorry FoC but the first and more famous incident came at the New Hampshire town hall with the idiot carrying the "time to water the tree of liberty" sign.  It's been confirmed that the guy interviewing the black dude and others that showed up to subsequent town halls planned on it after seeing the first guy get on the teevee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:35:53 PM
You're such an idiot. There was also another man with a rifle and about dozen folks with handguns at the same rally. And that came from a reporter from Fox News.

... Not to mention that it was a story because the media was reporting on folks bringing firearms to town halls prior to that day. The first incident occurred in Arizona, whereas the incident you are referring to happened afterwards - in New Hampshire.

Again, must be nice to have your head in the sand.

Of course there was more than one incident. But the one with all the photos was this guy. A black guy. Is he racist wilco? Stop dodging the question.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 25, 2009, 05:37:10 PM
Yeah, sorry FoC but the first and more famous incident came at the New Hampshire town hall with the idiot carrying the "time to water the tree of liberty" sign.  It's been confirmed that the guy interviewing the black dude and others that showed up to subsequent town halls planned on it after seeing the first guy get on the teevee.

You're right this man wasnt the first. But that doesnt change the fact that non white people are still attending the townhall meetings to voice against socialized medicine. That's all I was getting it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
Why would you make one giant exception and give the government the authority to track down, arrest, and deport people who hadn't harmed anyone and were willing to work?  Why go against your principles in this one case?  The government can't implement different marginal tax rates, but it's okay to use force to tell people where they can't live?

Most libertarians, including me are against that.



Quote from: FoC
Hey you guys lets let more of these immigrants into the country. It's not like welfare is needed for people who actually deserve it.

Quote from: FoC
America has some of the most libveral immigration laws. I think we need to change it a bit. Getting rid of birthright citizenship is a good start.

Quote from: FoC
Illegal immigrants can now get citizenship faster than me, a law abiding citizen, can get a passport. This is fucking ridiculous.

Quote from: FoC
For the most part America ia  damn fine country. If current immigration trends continue we will be a countryfull of people who don't appreciate the what makes the country so great. The immigration laws are there for a reason, to say that they dont matter just undermines the whole process.

Quote from: FoC
I dont get how illegal immigrant commit crimes at a less rate than the general population. They are breaking the law just by being here.

Granted Bill sucks and is going off on a random tangent here. But, the immigration problem still exists and needs to be handled.



Government should stay out of my business rakka rakka blah de blah unless it's enforcing a law to keep the furriners away from me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:40:36 PM
He totally could be. Maybe he hates Kenyans!

... Oh, I forgot to tell you, there's also black Republicans. :shh

I fail to see, using your assumption that someone with the same skin color cannot possibly be racist, that you have obviously proven that all the gun-toting white people that yell about illegal immigration, the President being a Kenyan and other such garbage are certainly not racist.

BUT THIS IS FLAME LOGIC. :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:41:43 PM
Mandark with the history search burn. :lol

I like how Flame also dodges all the rhetoric about illegal immigration, people saying that the President hates America, he's not born here, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:41:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:40:28 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:26:55 PM
Why would you make one giant exception and give the government the authority to track down, arrest, and deport people who hadn't harmed anyone and were willing to work?  Why go against your principles in this one case?  The government can't implement different marginal tax rates, but it's okay to use force to tell people where they can't live?

Most libertarians, including me are against that.



Quote from: FoC
Hey you guys lets let more of these immigrants into the country. It's not like welfare is needed for people who actually deserve it.

Quote from: FoC
America has some of the most libveral immigration laws. I think we need to change it a bit. Getting rid of birthright citizenship is a good start.

Quote from: FoC
Illegal immigrants can now get citizenship faster than me, a law abiding citizen, can get a passport. This is fucking ridiculous.

Quote from: FoC
For the most part America ia  damn fine country. If current immigration trends continue we will be a countryfull of people who don't appreciate the what makes the country so great. The immigration laws are there for a reason, to say that they dont matter just undermines the whole process.

Quote from: FoC
I dont get how illegal immigrant commit crimes at a less rate than the general population. They are breaking the law just by being here.

Granted Bill sucks and is going off on a random tangent here. But, the immigration problem still exists and needs to be handled.



Government should stay out of my business rakka rakka blah de blah unless it's enforcing a law to keep the furriners away from me.

Of course their should be immigration reform. That not what you said in yuor original post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:43:02 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:41:43 PM
I like how Flame also dodges all the rhetoric about illegal immigration, people saying that the President hates America, he's not born here, etc.

Probably becasue I have yet to hear a conservative say that other than a few yahoos on the TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:44:38 PM
Yes, Mandark, he obviously meant we should have immigration reform primarily consisting of giant tea parties and work visas!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 25, 2009, 05:44:42 PM
No, he was just crazy. There are a myriad of reasons that people are going apeshit over a center-left president so soon after he's still trying to clean up after one of the worst administrations in history. Not understanding that rascism is playing a major part but there's still room for other reasons, that sounds...actually that sounds a bit like something fucking ignorant that you would say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:46:28 PM
FoC:  If you think immigration limits should be enforced, then you're saying the government should have the power to tell people (immigrants) where not to live (America) even if they haven't harmed anyone (treating the immigration itself as a crime and grounds for deportation).  That's a really large restriction on freedom, which is carried out through the threat of physical force.


Also, you really want to argue that the tea parties and town hall protests haven't been very, very, very white?  I'm sure you can point to a token black or latino protester here and there, but c'mon.  If you pretend not to see what's painfully obvious to everyone else, you're just going to look delusional.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/09/astroturf-town-hall-mob-in-tennessee-9th/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on August 25, 2009, 05:47:07 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 25, 2009, 05:44:42 PM
There are a myriad of reasons that people are going apeshit over a center-left president so soon after he's still trying to clean up after one of the worst administrations in history.
Especially if you think FDR is the worst president in history
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:47:18 PM
Why are you guys all disagreeing with me. Stop being so racist.

Hey look I'm a liberal!  :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:47:38 PM
I think a lot of it is bitterness stemming from having a Democrat in the White House, but  amplified by having a black, liberal Democrat in the White House. He's obviously a Kenyan! And wants to become a communist dictator! He is going to kill old people! There is no stopping this terrifying black man, who has a deep rooted hatred of white people (especially his mother)!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:48:47 PM
Well, to be fair, Flame, I do have a deep rooted hatred of white children that grew up in upper middle class homes and didn't really have to work for anything they got.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2009, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 25, 2009, 05:37:10 PM
Yeah, sorry FoC but the first and more famous incident came at the New Hampshire town hall with the idiot carrying the "time to water the tree of liberty" sign.  It's been confirmed that the guy interviewing the black dude and others that showed up to subsequent town halls planned on it after seeing the first guy get on the teevee.

They were apart of the same organization
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/report_az_assault_rifle-wielding_man_and_nh_gun_to.php

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:46:28 PM
FoC:  If you think immigration limits should be enforced, then you're saying the government should have the power to tell people (immigrants) where not to live (America) even if they haven't harmed anyone (treating the immigration itself as a crime and grounds for deportation).  That's a really large restriction on freedom, which is carried out through the threat of physical force.

We have a pretty lax immigration policy as it is. I'm not sure why you think that if the U.S enforces it's immigration laws that they are being unjust. When I lived in Japan, I talked with a few foreigners about their situation and they all pretty much said that it was next to impossible to become a citizen there. I guess I didnt realize that it was a stretch for me to expect people to obey the laws.  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:48:47 PM
Well, to be fair, Flame, I do have a deep rooted hatred of white children that grew up in upper middle class homes and didn't really have to work for anything they got.

You hate yourself?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:51:42 PM
Japan's xenophobia is obviously a model for immigration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 05:51:53 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 05:48:47 PM
Well, to be fair, Flame, I do have a deep rooted hatred of white children that grew up in upper middle class homes and didn't really have to work for anything they got.

You hate yourself?

Are you kidding me? :lol
Title: A learning moment!
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
Just thought I'd point out that FoC's using the same rhetorical trick that ALWAYS gets trotted out during these things.

Liberal:  Race has got to be the main reason why there's such an emotional, visceral reaction against immigration (when it's not even the subject of the meetings!) and all these Mysterious Other conspiracy theories about the black president and his nationality or religion.

Conservative:  You just called me personally a racist!  You're saying that race is the only possible reason someone might disagree with you on an issue!  You're saying it's impossible to support any immigration policy other than yours without being a racist!

Liberal:  That's not what I said.  I'm trying to be honest about the reasons why these issues so deeply scare and anger some people.  If it were just a matter of finding an efficient policy, I don't think you'd see the sort of...

Conservative:  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!

Liberal:  Oh, whatever.

Conservative:  *sees black person approaching, crosses to other side of the street*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
Quote
I think a lot of it is bitterness stemming from having a Democrat in the White House, but  amplified by having a black, liberal Democrat in the White House. He's obviously a Kenyan! And wants to become a communist dictator!

Maybe it's just because of my age or that I live in a liberal city. But I have yet to meet anyone in real life that thinks or says those things.  ??? Maybe I'm naive when it comes to other republicans.
Title: Re: A learning moment!
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
Just thought I'd point out that FoC's using the same rhetorical trick that ALWAYS gets trotted out during these things.

Liberal:  Race has got to be the main reason why there's such an emotional, visceral reaction against immigration (when it's not even the subject of the meetings!) and all these Mysterious Other conspiracy theories about the black president and his nationality or religion.

Conservative:  You just called me personally a racist!  You're saying that race is the only possible reason someone might disagree with you on an issue!  You're saying it's impossible to support any immigration policy other than yours without being a racist!

Liberal:  That's not what I said.  I'm trying to be honest about the reasons why these issues so deeply scare and anger some people.  If it were just a matter of finding an efficient policy, I don't think you'd see the sort of...

Conservative:  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!

Liberal:  Oh, whatever.

Conservative:  *sees black person approaching, crosses to other side of the street*


  :lol Liberal complains about the race card? HELL HAS FROZEN OVER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:55:56 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:46:28 PM
FoC:  If you think immigration limits should be enforced, then you're saying the government should have the power to tell people (immigrants) where not to live (America) even if they haven't harmed anyone (treating the immigration itself as a crime and grounds for deportation).  That's a really large restriction on freedom, which is carried out through the threat of physical force.

We have a pretty lax immigration policy as it is. I'm not sure why you think that if the U.S enforces it's immigration laws that they are being unjust. When I lived in Japan, I talked with a few foreigners about their situation and they all pretty much said that it was next to impossible to become a citizen there. I guess I didnt realize that it was a stretch for me to expect people to obey the laws.  ???


The point is that on a billion other things (business regulation, taxes, zoning, social spending etc.) you won't hesitate to say that you think the current law is wrong, stupid, trampling people's freedoms, and unconstitutional.  In fact, the entire point of Ron Paul style libertarianism is that most of the current laws are violating our natural rights.

So when your first reaction is to say that other people need to shut up and obey those laws, rather than ranting about how unfair they are...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 25, 2009, 05:57:37 PM
OBEY THE BIBLESTITUTION
Title: Re: A learning moment!
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 25, 2009, 05:54:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2009, 05:52:39 PM
Conservative:  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!  RACE CARD!


  :lol Liberal complains about the race card? HELL HAS FROZEN OVER.


I think maybe you should point more points into the Reading For Content talent tree.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 25, 2009, 06:01:41 PM
Quote
Maybe it's just because of my age

I don't think your chronological age is the problem here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 06:05:46 PM
I think the problem is that Flame doesn't know what it's like to actually have to struggle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2009, 06:23:07 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 06:05:46 PM
I think the problem is that Flame doesn't know what it's like to actually have to struggle.

Honestly, the real problem is that he can't spell struggle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
It blows my mind that people function like this.

I mean, I'm all for opposing view points - certainly I do not see eye-to-eye with a number of you (Mandark included) - but there must be a place where ideology meets reality, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 25, 2009, 08:00:40 PM
[youtube=560,345]EcijeEtf-wA[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 08:03:53 PM
The look on McCain's face when he grabs the microphone back. :lol

I also liked, earlier in that town hall, some woman goes off on a crazy rant and he is like, "Wow, I'm glad I picked you."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 25, 2009, 08:18:35 PM
People just love being on Welfare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2009, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
It blows my mind that people function like this.

I mean, I'm all for opposing view points - certainly I do not see eye-to-eye with a number of you (Mandark included) - but there must be a place where ideology meets reality, right?

To more and more people (COUGH) I'm beginning to believe that having an ideology is more important than dealing with reality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on August 25, 2009, 08:31:35 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 08:03:53 PM
The look on McCain's face when he grabs the microphone back. :lol

(http://i31.tinypic.com/211nm08.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2009, 08:39:27 PM
Don't worry guys. Cletus, here was only packing heat just in case president A-RAB has any thoughts  on repealing the Declaration of Independence as well. :gun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 25, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
This happened today at another town hall:

The man also tells [Senator Chuck] Grassley that people should be concerned because Obama is “acting like a little Hitler,” and that he would solve the problem by taking his gun to Washington, D.C., “if enough of you will go with me.”

... They're just people with opposing viewpoints, right?

Also, if you Google "Obama + Nazi" you get 7 million hits, whereas only 2.8 million with Dubya.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2009, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
Also, if you Google "Obama + Nazi" you get 7 million hits, whereas only 2.8 million with Dubya.

Well, Nazi did stand for National Socialist party after all. Just sayin....

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 25, 2009, 09:19:17 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 25, 2009, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 06:34:19 PM
It blows my mind that people function like this.

I mean, I'm all for opposing view points - certainly I do not see eye-to-eye with a number of you (Mandark included) - but there must be a place where ideology meets reality, right?

To more and more people (COUGH) I'm beginning to believe that having an ideology is more important than dealing with reality.

we call that identity politics
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 25, 2009, 10:42:22 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 25, 2009, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 25, 2009, 09:04:26 PM
Also, if you Google "Obama + Nazi" you get 7 million hits, whereas only 2.8 million with Dubya.

Well, Nazi did stand for National Socialist party after all. Just sayin....

:smug

The funniest thing is that Bush=Hitler was only ever deliverd by Anonmyous people onto an open contest and once seen was taken down, while Moveon got branded as some form of modern terrorist group. Meanwhile, Nazi comparisons are continually being made against Obama by the ringleaders of the modern right without any repurcussion...I'm not sure weither I should just sigh or look for a doughy face to punch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 02:34:20 AM
Ted Kennedy has died.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 02:41:11 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 25, 2009, 08:13:52 PM
While I respect what you're saying to some extent Mandark, "when you subsidize something, you get more of it."

As long as our welfare state is as large as it is (and some *cough* want it to get bigger), all we do is encourage more people to cross over and be a drain.  Maybe you have the luxury of not living in a state where that matters, but I don't.


Three points:

1)  If only you had lived it, then you'd understand I was right.  La de dah.  The metro area and Congressional district I live in have higher proportions of residents born outside the US than, oh, Texas.  You ride the Q2 through Wheaton and tell me how sheltered I am.

2)  I'm not buying that immigrants are a "drain" because of the welfare state, and it's absurd to imply that they come here with the intention of becoming one.  Immigrants skew towards working-age and those desiring to work (the main economic concern is that they'll drive down wages by competing for jobs ferchrissakes).

It's weird how you're treating The Welfare State like a black box which mysteriously converts the money of the rich into the money of the poor.  You could at least cite some actual, real-life programs by which the immigrant population siphons off wealth.  The reality is that most social spending goes towards the elderly, and immigration is a boon for that.  Ask any economist who's had to model Social Security's long-term prospects, and they'll tell you that immigration makes the program more solvent, not less.


3)  This is the important one, and I was kind of trolling you into your response so I could make this point.

You're not against immigration per se.  You're against the welfare state, and open borders would make it easier for certain people to apply for and receive government subsidies.

So, as a remedy to this problem, you're okay with a separate branch of the government arresting and deporting those people and telling them where they ought not live (which is essentially a whole continent).  Not just the people who are draining the system, but a whole swath of people you think are more statistically likely to do so.

Well hell.  Our government gives out agricultural, fossil fuel, nuclear, aviation, automotive, timber, and construction subsidies.  What if a government agency started cracking down on people who started businesses (or were more likely to start businesses) in those industries?

Tlderly are far and away the biggest personal "drains" on our tax dollars, through Medicare and Social Security.  If the FBI started shipping off mee-maw and pop-pop, would you say "I'm not against senior citizens in general, and I'd much rather do away with the welfare state so they could stay.  But as long as it persists, it's probably better to ship them away before they can incur such outrageous costs.  Maybe you have the luxury of not being surrounded by doddering old geezers, but I don't."



edit:
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 26, 2009, 02:34:20 AM
Ted Kennedy has died.

Well, shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 02:49:42 AM
I wonder if the Mass. legislature can pass a bill now that will let Gov. Patrick appoint a replacement before the special election in the next five months or so, or if passing it post mortem would disqualify it from taking effect.  At the very least, if they did so I pretty much guarantee you that some Republican would sue to keep the appointee from being seated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 02:53:50 AM
[youtube=560,345]ydHc-ExClqw[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]5WQxM-PT5RQ[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]1VPOAwtzHco[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]daE6AG51wH4[/youtube]



Awesome 1980 DNC speech by Kennedy, in which he takes the hatchet to Reagan (who gets quoted as calling the New Deal fascist) and brings the old-timey liberalism.  The bit at 6:42 in the second video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WQxM-PT5RQ#t=6m42s) about the poor always gets me a little.

He had plenty faults, and the Kennedy mystique is vastly overrated, but he was consistently committed to a liberal idea of fairness for several decades, and that's worth something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2009, 03:10:43 AM
It'd be interesting to see what angle the politicians take with the passing of Ted Kennedy. Could it be a game changer?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 03:26:26 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 02:41:11 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 25, 2009, 08:13:52 PM
While I respect what you're saying to some extent Mandark, "when you subsidize something, you get more of it."

As long as our welfare state is as large as it is (and some *cough* want it to get bigger), all we do is encourage more people to cross over and be a drain.  Maybe you have the luxury of not living in a state where that matters, but I don't.


Three points:

1)  If only you had lived it, then you'd understand I was right.  La de dah.  The metro area and Congressional district I live in have higher proportions of residents born outside the US than, oh, Texas.  You ride the Q2 through Wheaton and tell me how sheltered I am.

2)  I'm not buying that immigrants are a "drain" because of the welfare state, and it's absurd to imply that they come here with the intention of becoming one.  Immigrants skew towards working-age and those desiring to work (the main economic concern is that they'll drive down wages by competing for jobs ferchrissakes).

It's weird how you're treating The Welfare State like a black box which mysteriously converts the money of the rich into the money of the poor.  You could at least cite some actual, real-life programs by which the immigrant population siphons off wealth.  The reality is that most social spending goes towards the elderly, and immigration is a boon for that.  Ask any economist who's had to model Social Security's long-term prospects, and they'll tell you that immigration makes the program more solvent, not less.


3)  This is the important one, and I was kind of trolling you into your response so I could make this point.

You're not against immigration per se.  You're against the welfare state, and open borders would make it easier for certain people to apply for and receive government subsidies.

So, as a remedy to this problem, you're okay with a separate branch of the government arresting and deporting those people and telling them where they ought not live (which is essentially a whole continent).  Not just the people who are draining the system, but a whole swath of people you think are more statistically likely to do so.

Well hell.  Our government gives out agricultural, fossil fuel, nuclear, aviation, automotive, timber, and construction subsidies.  What if a government agency started cracking down on people who started businesses (or were more likely to start businesses) in those industries?

Tlderly are far and away the biggest personal "drains" on our tax dollars, through Medicare and Social Security.  If the FBI started shipping off mee-maw and pop-pop, would you say "I'm not against senior citizens in general, and I'd much rather do away with the welfare state so they could stay.  But as long as it persists, it's probably better to ship them away before they can incur such outrageous costs.  Maybe you have the luxury of not being surrounded by doddering old geezers, but I don't."



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Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 26, 2009, 02:34:20 AM
Ted Kennedy has died.

Well, shit.

federal welfare programs are drop in the bucket compared to interest on the national debt, ss, medicare, and especially the military. hell, state welfare programs are drop in the bucket compared to education and even state pension plans. welfare is a stupid libertarian/rural bugbear because it's an emotional thing: it's a conflation of the silly paleoamerican ideal of the rugged bootstrapper and plain ol' biblical envy-turned-righteousness that results in this preposterous emphasis on dem poors/mescans buying hd teevees on mah dollar. manipulative media rimjobbers like limbaugh love to exploit this fear, though, because it plays right into the greased-slope fear-fantasies of the jaydubya crowd; fear of a world where all their precious precious stuff is taken and given away by blacksuited government thugs, and worse yet: given to thankless hobos, sneering hippies, and smirking brownskins.

then again, that's why free market capitalism is just another sad religion: heaven, nirvana, the eternal sublime, whatever -- in their case, it's property and capital. the meaning of life? acquisition. the great satan? redistribution, even in the tiniest of margins. laissez-faire is la raison d'etre, and dirty gladhanding libruls are apostates, denying god.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 26, 2009, 03:38:48 AM
Quote from: Willco on August 26, 2009, 03:10:43 AM
It'd be interesting to see what angle the politicians take with the passing of Ted Kennedy. Could it be a game changer?

We'll have to see what Glen Beck says first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2009, 03:39:56 AM
Wow, just heard about Kennedy. RIP

(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/28/284023/33_2008/The%20Kennedy%20Brothers.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 03:44:17 AM
glenn beck sez: don't sleep easy, folks! this is what the socialists want, you to sleep easy, knowing that the beast has fallen. but let me tell you, reichsfuhrer emanuel rahm and his modern ahnenerbe in the white house are gonna bring him back, now with the power of lucifer himself, commanding an army six hundred sixty-six demonic unionized acorn workers to steal our freedoms...and our souls!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 03:58:57 AM
I gotta defend JayDubya a bit here.

FoC may have arrived at his philosophy via cultural resentment, blinkered selfishness and the Ron Paul cult of personality, but JD got there through a sort of geek hyper-literalism.  It's an optimistic, sci-fi version of libertarianism that relies on believing in a clean, textbook version of humanity rather than the one the rest of us live in (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5867740#post5867740).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 04:05:50 AM
so explain his asthmatic response to abortions

or am i thinking of apf?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 04:13:02 AM
No, you're thinking of JayDubya.  And I think he views it as pretty much the equivalent of murder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 04:24:00 AM
which isn't exactly an optimistic sci-fi view
Title: Nah. APF never actually had opinions.
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 04:28:28 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2009, 04:05:50 AM
so explain his asthmatic response to abortions

or am i thinking of apf?

Like I said, geek hyper-literalism!  He's assigning humanity on a weirdly narrow physical criteria, rather than empathy as most of us practice it:  a blastocyst already has a full set of DNA, ergo it's a unique human and gets all of those sweet, sweet Natural Rights.

Unlike most anti-abortioners, who care as part of a larger program to control the nation's vaginas, I really don't think he uses biological arguments as a fig leaf.  It's pretty much his entire spiel, and he doesn't go off on tangents about women "taking responsibility" or any of the usual misogynistic giveaways.

He's kinda like Roissy.  They both want a worldview that gives them absolute certitude and clear lines of battle, and they both try to use science (horribly bastardized evo-psych in Roissy's case) to show that their beliefs are really axiomatic facts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 04:40:00 AM
well, certitude of that variety is defined best by dogma!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 04:56:14 AM
Well yeah, JD's dogmatic as hell.  Everything's black and white and inarguable.

I'm defending him from are the heavier charges of racism and misanthropy, and am pleading cluelessness on his behalf.  FoC's got a history of rants against Muslims, immigrants, and snooty intellectuals who didn't like the SW prequels.  JD's just someone who's read about the planet Earth but has never been.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 26, 2009, 05:24:52 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2009, 03:44:17 AM
glenn beck sez: don't sleep easy, folks! this is what the socialists want, you to sleep easy, knowing that the beast has fallen. but let me tell you, reichsfuhrer emanuel rahm and his modern ahnenerbe in the white house are gonna bring him back, now with the power of lucifer himself, commanding an army six hundred sixty-six demonic unionized acorn workers to steal our freedoms...and our souls!

To be fair to Beck, he said that about Ted Kennedy while he was still alive.

Quote from: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 03:58:57 AM
I gotta defend JayDubya a bit here.

FoC may have arrived at his philosophy via cultural resentment, blinkered selfishness and the Ron Paul cult of personality, but JD got there through a sort of geek hyper-literalism.  It's an optimistic, sci-fi version of libertarianism that relies on believing in a clean, textbook version of humanity rather than the one the rest of us live in (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5867740#post5867740).

Oh shit, is that the JayDubya abortion signal I see against the clouds?
Title: Fiskings are so 2003
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 06:38:13 AM
You said that the government should be allowed to detain and deport people born outside the US, on the grounds that they are likely to cost the government money.

Is this or is it not a fair paraphrase of your position?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 26, 2009, 06:49:37 AM
I'm just looking forward to gov't is ipso facto bad types to welcome the new Dept. of Utero Security that'll be responsible for constantly monitoring the vaginas of the half the population that were born with said organs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 07:02:34 AM
By "on the grounds" I meant the grounds for your support of the policy, not the grounds for their individual arrests.

So, by "is a bad idea," you mean you'd oppose it?

Cause opposing an open border policy is endorsing the government's ability to detain and deport people, using the threat of force, who have not committed any crimes other than entering the country.

That's deliberately strong language, but it's an accurate description of what constitutes immigration control.
Title: Why does EVERYONE try this rhetorical trick to defend immigration?
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 07:21:32 AM
Yes yes.  I know it's the current law and I know people should expect the law as it exists to be enforced blah blah blah.  Completely different subject.

The point is, do you think the current law is fair?  Do you support keeping it in place?  Do you support, as long as there's a "welfare state" in the US, a restrictive immigration policy?

You bitch about stuff that's codified into law all the time.  I try to actually read and respond to your opinions rather than just tell you "well who cares what you think.  It's the law."  I'd love it if you could return the favor.

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BTW, "being made to go back to the other side" makes it sound like a game of Red Rover.  What they're doing is taking someone out of the place that person has decided is their home and telling them they can't come back.  They are doing this hopefully without violence, but if the person does not comply then violence is what they'll use.

Plus, isn't free movement covered by those natural rights?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 07:34:07 AM
Okay.  So you support a policy of limiting immigration.  And the basis for supporting this policy is that immigrants would be likely to cost the government money.

Is that a fair paraphrase of your position?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2009, 07:47:02 AM
It's not a dance.  I'm trying to understand you precisely and accurately.  For someone who spends most of his time getting flamed, I figured you might appreciate it a bit.

But you assume I'm just doing internet poste-riposte and setting you up for a zinger.  Fine.  But if you actually believe what you say and have confidence in your beliefs, then you shouldn't be scared of stating them clearly and clarifying something when asked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 26, 2009, 10:14:12 AM
Damn. You guys are up early or up way too late.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 06:37:51 AM
But no, I don't see how you can support the legality of what is, objectively, aggressive homicide.

oh oh oh oh i'll bite. "objectively" -- el oh el. homicide is a subjective term! at some point, each individual decides to ascribe human qualities to what is, at all stages, a collection of biological tissue; of amino acids and proteins and chemical reactions. if a "man" is simply n cells with a certain dna/rna sequence, then masturbation is genocide. there is no objective definition of a human being that does not, at some point, involve the empathic mechanism, and is thus entirely subjective.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: twerd on August 26, 2009, 01:55:10 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
masturbation is genocide
:violin

imma pour one out for those suckers. jaydubya, are you pro-government aided homicide (A SOCIALIST INSTITUTION), also known as capital punishment?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2009, 01:58:19 PM
is there a way to masturbate but make up for it by purchasing whatever life equivalent there is to carbon credits?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2009, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 06:37:51 AM
But no, I don't see how you can support the legality of what is, objectively, aggressive homicide.

oh oh oh oh i'll bite. "objectively" -- el oh el. homicide is a subjective term! at some point, each individual decides to ascribe human qualities to what is, at all stages, a collection of biological tissue; of amino acids and proteins and chemical reactions. if a "man" is simply n cells with a certain dna/rna sequence, then masturbation is genocide. there is no objective definition of a human being that does not, at some point, involve the empathic mechanism, and is thus entirely subjective.

NO PROLE DON'T DO IT, IT'S A TRA-

... Oh no, Prole. What have you done?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 03:12:39 PM
I don't ascribe the term "living human being" to anyone whose phone number I don't have.  You just don't matter other wise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2009, 03:16:51 PM
(http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo255/autoviewerss/mjpopcorn.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2009, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 03:02:43 PM
Game over.    ::)   A sperm cell is not an organism. 

Pretty sure it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 05:08:14 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 03:02:43 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2009, 01:51:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 06:37:51 AM
But no, I don't see how you can support the legality of what is, objectively, aggressive homicide.

oh oh oh oh i'll bite.

Oh oh oh.  Let's see you try.

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"objectively" -- el oh el. homicide is a subjective term!

Actually, no.  Neither "aggressive" nor "homicide" are open for subjective interpretation.  The subjectivity comes in the form of restrictive legal "personhood," which is where the state apparently gets to determine which human beings are expendable subhuman property.

Just so we're clear, which objectively true fact are you denying, the aggressive part or the homicide part?  I mean, to reject either would be utterly wrong, but I don't want to waste time on the one you've already conceded so we can get to the part where you concede the other one or just resort to petty namecalling.

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at some point, each individual decides to ascribe human qualities to what is, at all stages, a collection of biological tissue; of amino acids and proteins and chemical reactions.

Uh-huh.  I ascribe the term "living human being" to that which is, objectively, a living human being.

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if a "man" is simply n cells with a certain dna/rna sequence, then masturbation is genocide.

Game over.    ::)   A sperm cell is not an organism.  Go to back to intro Biology.  Your opinion on this is mired in too much ignorance to be valid.

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"Empathic mechanism"l
:lol


well, i had to start at the very foundations of your assumptions. step two: do you think that all organisms are human beings?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
At one point, can we bring up the fact that a dog has the same mental and emotional capacity as a toddler.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on August 26, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
speaking of which does a female's (or male's  :teehee) attractiveness influence the tip amount? does for me.. show me your boobs for extra $$$
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2009, 05:20:40 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 05:14:45 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 26, 2009, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 03:02:43 PM
Game over.    ::)   A sperm cell is not an organism.  

Pretty sure it is.

Perhaps you have orgasm and organism confused.

Quote from: Wiki
In biology, an organism is any living system (such as animal, plant, fungus, or micro-organism). In at least some form, all organisms are capable of response to stimuli, reproduction, growth and development, and maintenance of homeostasis as a stable whole. An organism may either be unicellular (single-celled) or be composed of, as in humans, many billions of cells grouped into specialized tissues and organs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
step three, then: assuming that we are agreed that all organisms are not human, what objective qualities define a human organism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 26, 2009, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on August 26, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
speaking of which does a female's (or male's  :teehee) attractiveness influence the tip amount? does for me.. show me your boobs for extra $$$

Nah, I tip around 15% and only vary the amount based on the quality of service. Don't want to appear creepy creepier than I am.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 05:34:02 PM
(http://i27.tinypic.com/18d7wj.jpg)

truth, justice, and the american way :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 05:51:27 PM
looks like superman doesn't have time for white and blue any more, if you know what i mean
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2009, 05:56:10 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 05:34:02 PM
lies, INinjustice, and the soviet way :ussrcry

more like
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on August 26, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
you know krypton had socialized health-care too. look what happened there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2009, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on August 26, 2009, 06:03:14 PM
you know krypton had socialized health-care too. look what happened there.

This may be the funniest thing you've ever said. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 26, 2009, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 07:09:13 PM
Something is a thing or is it not. 

Humans tend to develop quite a bit from the time they're zygotes.

Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 07:09:13 PM
If we have an organism that is it the offspring of homo sapiens, through conventional sexual reproduction, or even the oh-so-prevalent-in-science-fiction-but-not-yet-realized-in-real-humans cloning, or some other means - that organism is a member of our species.

But why should human blastocysts or human fetuses--which do not posses consciousness, emotions, reason, or self-awareness--receive the same legal protection from the state as you or Drinky? And why should the state force women to carry them to term?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 26, 2009, 08:55:45 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 08:37:59 PM

Second of all, a living human being is a living human being.  Said "legal protection" is provided on the basis of a recognition of rights; if said human rights are inherent and unalienable - a core value of the American state - then they are present for all living human beings.

There are some important differences between you and a blastocyst, differences that are important in determining whether you should both have the same rights and protections.

Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 08:37:59 PM
::) Does the state force me to not shoot up the local liquor store?  Do you honestly consider that coercive?

No, but I would find it coercive if the state forced me to be a host for an organism that was incapable of feeling pain, experiencing consciousness, or having memories.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 09:11:12 PM
Jaydubya, can I ask you about the tyranny of circumcision?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 26, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 09:09:52 PM

Not really.  One is a living human being.  The other is a living human being.


This isn't going anywhere; I'm going to finish my short story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 26, 2009, 09:38:14 PM
An abortion debate?

Nuke the thread before it gets worse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 26, 2009, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 26, 2009, 05:26:02 PM
step three, then: assuming that we are agreed that all organisms are not human, what objective qualities define a human organism?

What objective qualities define a human organism?

Heh.  A human organism is what not-human-organisms are not.  It is intrinsically human organism-y.   :lol

Okay, I'll try that again, with less condescending silliness.

Unless you or I are that rare case of mutation / speciation that breaks the mold, if you or I am a living organism, and our respective parents are Homo sapiens, we are Homo sapiens.  We are not capable of bearing the young of any other species.  We do not have half-elves and half-orcs and centaurs running around.

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at.  Something is a thing or is it not.  If we have an organism that is it the offspring of homo sapiens, through conventional sexual reproduction, or even the oh-so-prevalent-in-science-fiction-but-not-yet-realized-in-real-humans cloning, or some other means - that organism is a member of our species.

Which returns us back to the reflexive property, unfortunately.  What makes a living organism objectively human is that it is, objectively, a living human organism.


The only way I can parse what you're going for is that you're still hung up on DNA alone.



no semantic games, here. you brought objectivity into the argument. please enumerate the basic objective criteria by which we can consider something a "human being". saying homo sapiens without being able to articulate what homo sapiens is objectively might as well be you shrugging and going "dna" yourself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
Never mind all this tired old argument shit.  Let's get to the new hottness:  the tyranny of circumcision.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 10:20:43 PM
KNEW IT.  I swear to Jesus (who I don't even believe in, by the by) that if your ideology told you boats were agents of tyranny to your personal right to drown, you would gladly drown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
being aggressive homicide, should women who have abortions be arrested for murder and receive the same sentences?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
being aggressive homicide, should women who have abortions be arrested for murder and receive the same sentences?

We've played this game so many times I can answer for him: "Yes, and so should the doctors who perform the abortions."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:27:57 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 26, 2009, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
being aggressive homicide, should women who have abortions be arrested for murder and receive the same sentences?

We've played this game so many times I can answer for him: "Yes, and so should the doctors who perform the abortions."

well at least he's consistently evil
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2009, 10:30:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:27:57 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 26, 2009, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
being aggressive homicide, should women who have abortions be arrested for murder and receive the same sentences?

We've played this game so many times I can answer for him: "Yes, and so should the doctors who perform the abortions."

well at least he's consistently evil

It's not evil to lock someone up for putting into practice their wanton disregard for human life.  It's both punishment and prevention.

So you would support prosecuting the former Secretary of Defense, Vice President and President of the United States as war criminals then?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 10:29:40 PM
their wanton disregard for human life

irony-meter-explode.gif
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:33:19 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 26, 2009, 10:29:40 PM
It's both punishment and prevention.

damn sluts, i'll teach you to be raped or have a life-threatening pregnancy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 26, 2009, 10:44:03 PM
i do have to give you credit. unlike the people who actually created the platform and 99% of the people who follow it today, you actually believe it's about the personhood of a blastocyst
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2009, 10:53:37 PM
Ted Kennedy is garbage.

A drunken lout that made a career off of the empathy given from the general public (mostly NE WASPs) because of his family misfortunes. A man that never had to work a day in his life and has no concept of what a "working man" is, except for the ones that worked at his Hyannis compound. The flag bearer of a new generation of limousine liberals.


No wonder the "working man" has gotten the shaft in the past 30 years. He was the alleged spokesman for them.


Fuck you Ted Kennedy. Hopefully the next generation of Americans quits listens less to the sons and daughters of rich people and more to the people that made something of themselves within their own lifetimes.

PS. I'm a bit drunk. Sorry for the rant.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2009, 11:31:00 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2009, 12:19:22 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on Ted Kennedy
Ted Kennedy is garbage.

A man that never had to work a day in his life and has no concept of what a "working man" is, except for the ones that worked at his Hyannis compound. The flag bearer of a new generation of limousine liberals.


No wonder the "working man" has gotten the shaft in the past 30 years. He was the alleged spokesman for them.


Fuck you Ted Kennedy. Hopefully the next generation of Americans quits listens less to the sons and daughters of rich people and more to the people that made something of themselves within their own lifetimes.

Quote from: ToxicAdam, on William F. Buckley
RIP


What a shame your voice is lost among the Limbaugh's and Coulter's of the world.


:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 27, 2009, 12:19:54 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2009, 10:53:37 PM
Fuck you Ted Kennedy. Hopefully the next generation of Americans quits listens less to the sons and daughters of rich people and more to the people that made something of themselves within their own lifetimes.

Like Mitt Romney, Bill Kristol and John Sydney Mccain III.

edit:  ok, Mandark with the true ether per the usual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 27, 2009, 12:25:38 AM
Search function is like Mandark's superpower.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2009, 12:26:19 AM
If you don't like abortions, don't get them.
For someone who deplores regulation yet, in the same breath, preaches about missing human regulation is really hard to take seriously.

Corporate regulation bad
taxes bad

Regulate that vagina!!!!!!!

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 27, 2009, 12:38:56 AM
What about environmental regulations?  If a company dumps chemical waste into a river that kills children or babies because toxic concentrations are too high in the water.  That is a direct conflict between human rights and economic freedom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: twerd on August 27, 2009, 12:39:05 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 27, 2009, 12:35:25 AM

Yeah, it's such a paradox to, on the one hand, support human rights and economic freedom, and on the other hand, to support human rights and personal freedom.
It's all selective though, because illegal immigrants don't require human rights, and the literally hundreds of government-run enterprises that exist in and keep this nation (and its economy) afloat are given a pass. That's what I find hypocritical, that you're so urgent to save that one child from abortion, whilst throwing cash to clowns that spend thousand of lives on economic (Uh oh, the government is getting involved in the economy again!) wars.

I see no wrong in your opinion on abortion (although your insistence of objectivity is ridiculous), but if you truly are a philanthropist, why ignore all the misanthropy that the Republican (AND Democrat, mind you) parties uphold?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on August 27, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
Women's rights and freedoms don't count as human rights and personal freedoms.

EDIT: I know you're not trying to be sexist but your position does more to advance sexist institutions than anything else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2009, 12:39:43 AM
JD's position on abortion is internally consistent.

It's just based on the assumption that a blastocyst is morally equivalent to a person.  That's an assumption that barely any of the population shares.

A sincere PROTIP to radicals of any stripe:  If your principles are shared only by a tiny minority, you're unlikely to convince the majority by telling them "My beliefs are axiomatically, objectively true!  They are self-evident!"  Cause they aren't self-evident to society at large, and in practice that's what matters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 27, 2009, 12:44:27 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 27, 2009, 12:35:25 AM
and b) "If you don't like (x), don't (y) (pronoun)" isn't the brilliant catch-all you seem to think it is.

Oh my LAAAAAAWD, did an avowed Libertopian just actually say that?  Take his card and any gold he has on him!  He's out of the club!

Quote
For a particularly fitting historical reference - "If you don't like slavery, don't buy a slave" kind of misses the point.

For someone who I'm pretty sure thought the civil war was unnecessary (maybe I'm mixing up my wingnuts) that's an argument you shouldn't be making.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2009, 12:46:37 AM
I think it was Ron Paul who argued that the Civil War wasn't necessary, thus creating a fractal pattern of libertarians revising history in order to make his statement defensible.  I know FoC tried it over here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 27, 2009, 12:48:08 AM
I think the problem is obviously that JayDubya is giving us cold, hard facts and we choose to ignore them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 27, 2009, 12:50:12 AM
(Off topic: I'm watching a repeat of Bill Maher, and Jeremy Scahill is doing his best to make Chuck Todd angry. :lol)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 27, 2009, 12:56:06 AM
Scahill came off as kind of douchey (as opposed to when you guys think Jon Stewart comes off as douchey) but he was essentially right- the media sucks ass and covers a bunch of frivolous nonsense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 27, 2009, 01:06:57 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 27, 2009, 12:56:06 AM
Scahill came off as kind of douchey (as opposed to when you guys think Jon Stewart comes off as douchey) but he was essentially right- the media sucks ass and covers a bunch of frivolous nonsense.

Didn't see the episode...but apparently Todd whined like a little bitch (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/23/joe_klein/index.html) backstage that Scahill had made him look bad on tv  :lol

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According to Scahill (via email), Todd approached him after the Maher show and the following occurred:

    Right as we walked off stage, he said to me "that was a cheap shot." I said "what are you talking about?" and he said "you know it." I then said that I monitor msm coverage very closely and asked him what was not true that I said on the show. He then replied: "that's not the point. You sullied my reputation on TV."

Media stars are so unaccustomed to being held accountable for the impact of their behavior -- especially when they're on television -- that they consider it a grievous assault on their entitlement when it happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 27, 2009, 01:09:05 AM
:lol he actually said "sullied", what a little bitch.

Chuck Todd is a pretty smart dude- he's very knowledgeable about congressional races, for instance- but a journalist he is not.  I swear, they must have a filter that gets anyone who is naturally skeptical and doesn't want to kiss ass out of that business, which is a shame because that's really what anyone who wants to do the job right NEEDS TO BE LIKE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2009, 01:12:57 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 27, 2009, 12:58:42 AM
The overwhelming majority of nations around the globe ended the practice peacefully.

Has there been even one case where slavery was as large and fundamental a part of a nation's society and economy as it was to the South's, and the ruling class decided peacefully to reform it without the threat or use of violence?

Also, considering the South's track record in the century that followed, why would we expect any reforms that weren't imposed on them by an outside force?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 27, 2009, 01:21:48 AM
Slavery in the South was quite unique and needs to be separated when it comes to comparisons with how slavery was a dying institution in the 19th century....to argue otherwise is to not understand the institution and how it related to our economy and society as a whole.

The way in which the Civil War was fought, while abhorrent, was not out of the norm for any nation at the time...this also is a sad, but sorry truth.

It would be so wonderful to think that the Civil War was not necessary....but, like so many other things, is pure utopian fantasy. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2009, 01:33:23 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 27, 2009, 12:35:25 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 27, 2009, 12:26:19 AM
If you don't like abortions, don't get them.

Well a) I can't have one, which is of course what this is all about, me hating womyn.  A-yup.

and b) "If you don't like (x), don't (y) (pronoun)" isn't the brilliant catch-all you seem to think it is.

For a particularly fitting historical reference - "If you don't like slavery, don't buy a slave" kind of misses the point. 

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For someone who deplores regulation yet, in the same breath, preaches about missing human regulation is really hard to take seriously.

Corporate regulation bad
taxes bad

Regulate that vagina!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's such a paradox to, on the one hand, support human rights and economic freedom, and on the other hand, to support human rights and personal freedom.

Silly me.
I applaud you for what you think is right and sticking up for that. I just denounce your view that it should be institutionally implemented because it infringes on personal rights. A woman's decision > a zygote's decision since it never had a choice. We are just going to have to agree to disagree.  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 27, 2009, 01:46:58 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 27, 2009, 12:19:54 AM

Like Mitt Romney, Bill Kristol and John Sydney Mccain III.

edit:  ok, Mandark with the true ether per the usual.

Well, I was thinking more like the Bushes, but whatever works for ya.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: OptimoPeach on August 27, 2009, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 27, 2009, 01:09:05 AM
:lol he actually said "sullied", what a little bitch.
:( I like that word
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2009, 02:04:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]e3jwhLcW_c8[/youtube]

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2009, 02:05:20 AM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/74415.html

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It's not a loving God I worry about, it's you rightwing sociopaths who parade around as Christians while allowing pain and suffering, poverty and oppression, greed and narcisism to prevail because you kneel before the false gods of conservatism, social dariwnism and greed. You CANNOT be a Christian and a social conservative. They are mutually exclusive. You make Jesus and the Mother Mary weep. There's a special place in Hell for the likes of you."

Things that make you go "boom".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 27, 2009, 02:52:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2009, 02:04:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]e3jwhLcW_c8[/youtube]

smh

The look on the faces of the people in the crowd when she starts. :lol

We don't need health care - we need good neighbors! What the fuck?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2009, 03:29:01 AM
There has to be a ton of conservatives who don't trust or like to deal with insurance companies.

But there's a weird disconnect between what they'll say about their own experiences with those companies and how they react to it in a political context.  A lot of people have no problem just shunting reality to the side.  It's depressing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fBRglimkgo&feature=channel_page

ehhh I couldn't get past a couple minutes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2009, 03:17:29 PM
If I was at that sermon, I would have gone and grabbed the gas can and torched the place. Clearly it is no longer a place of worship but a place to spread hatred and fear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 27, 2009, 03:32:20 PM
can we start referring to abortion as 'redistribution of death' from now on please
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on August 27, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 27, 2009, 03:29:01 AM
There has to be a ton of conservatives who don't trust or like to deal with insurance companies.

I fucking deplore insurance companies. I think they are scum.

The only people i don't trust more than insurance companies are politicians. And to me the biggest fucking mind boggling thing would be for the government to run its own health insurance company. I know you guys are going to bring up medicare and medicaid, but even most doctors hate all the bullshit that it brings.

If you guys really think that "profit" its the problem with the health care crisis then I really envy your naivety. Perhaps one of you guys should start a "non-profit" health care company and let it flourish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 27, 2009, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 27, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Perhaps one of you guys should start a "non-profit" health care company and let it flourish.  :smug
fixed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 27, 2009, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on August 27, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
I know you guys are going to bring up medicare and medicaid, but I don't want to hear a counter argument that makes my talking points irrelevant.

Double fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 27, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
Hoooly shit, Michael Steele is AWESOME.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/27/steele-gets-testy-with-np_n_270332.html


:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 27, 2009, 04:23:22 PM
Michael Steele :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2009, 06:22:14 PM
They sure hate medicare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 04:07:15 PM
holy fuck, i take a couple days to resolve some work issues and HOLY HELL WHAT HAVE I DONE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: JayDubya
No semantics?  Semantics is unfortunately at the root of much of this.  The very thing you're taking issue with is what words mean.

"Life" is a phenomenon, but it is also a property with a valid and agreed-upon-through-consensus "textbook" scientific definition based on an established set of criteria (all of which are met by the human organism at any point in its growth and development, from conception to death).

"Organism" is a description of a particular living entity.

"Human being" is synonymous with "a member of the species H. sapiens"


so you're admitting it's all SEMANTICS, which is by its essential nature subjective? well, guess there's no need for step 4, then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 28, 2009, 04:22:38 PM
Drinky, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 04:42:41 PM
blame my job!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
JD's next move is to tell you that he doesn't buy all this wishy-washy descriptivist BS, and that words have objective, immutable meanings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 28, 2009, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 28, 2009, 04:58:47 PM

You took issue with "aggressive" and "homicide," both of which, again, are objectively true, entirely appropriate labels for the abortion act.


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hom·i·cide  (hm-sd, hm-)
n.
1. The killing of one person by another.
2.  A person who kills another person.

Very few people believe that a zygote or a fetus is a person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2009, 05:37:35 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 28, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 28, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
JD's next move is to tell you that he doesn't buy all this wishy-washy descriptivist BS, and that words have objective, immutable meanings.

Words get do make phlahoogen flagen SHAMALAMADOO nark-nark.

It somewhat helps in communication when people agree to use the same language and the same syntax.

Hey, apart from you we do agree that "zygote" isn't a subset of "human".

So if the meaning of words are determined by people, we're set!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 28, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
Geez, that's pretty harsh to be both stupid and wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 28, 2009, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 28, 2009, 05:39:54 PM

The trouble is that you're both ignorant and wrong to do so since it objectively is a subset of human.


Human
Noun
a human being, esp. a person as distinguished from an animal.

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It is not a subset of "person"

???

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2009, 05:48:22 PM
Quote from: Willco on August 28, 2009, 05:41:38 PM
Geez, that's pretty harsh to be both stupid and wrong.

It's the cross I have to bear, sadly!

Quote from: JayDubya on August 28, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
Honestly, many of you get hung up on the basics before the actual debate can even begin.

I'm reading "hung up on the basics" as "refusing to believe things only on my say-so."

Like I said before, if you actually want to convince people then you should try another tack.  Repeating over and over "It *is* so!  It's obviously, objectively true!" doesn't work if it's not immediately apparent to other people (which of course it isn't, otherwise you wouldn't be yelling at them in the first place).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 06:07:17 PM
hey, i'm leading somewhere, but i gotta make sure i feed the rope to the proper length. however, you're telling me that i'm too caught up in semantics out of one side of your mouth, and you're lecturing me -on- the semantics and telling me that they're essential to our conversation out of the other, and i'm thinking that my whole tack has been derailed by completely unanticipated CRAZY.

but let's continue on and pretend that the above never happened. explain to me the specific criteria that separate homo sapiens from other living things, in wholly objective terms, such that the differentiation is necessary when considering the act of terminating a "life". no homo sapiens == humans false tautologies, please, and let's stay away from citing the dictionary, since we've taken semantics off the table, here!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2009, 06:35:22 PM
Let's take a quick break from the topic at hand to check this out (don't worry, we'll come back, after all, those babies aren't going to eat themselves!) Remember that town hall meeting with Barney Frank that was posted a while back? Here's an extended video with more re-re ownage.


http://crooksandliars.com/dday/exclusive-rest-barney-frank-town-hall-meeting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 28, 2009, 06:50:41 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 28, 2009, 05:49:15 PM
I take issue with the concept of restrictive legal personhood itself - if you are a living human being, you are a possessor of unalienable rights and governments are instituted to protect them.

I don't see what you're getting at. Has any state ever given a zygote or fetus the same rights as a born human? How exactly is a zygote supposed to exercise religious, speech, assembly, or mobility rights? If a woman is imprisoned, is her fetus being arbitrarily detained? It is, apparently, a separate person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 06:54:12 PM
yes, i am asking just that: what objective attributes do your homo sapiens present that separate it from, say, a cactus, or one of those cute little critters koreans eat?

you can also answer your first question if you like.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
what are these unalienable rights? do they exist independent of the common agreement of other human beings? if so, what is the manifestation of those rights, and how do they exist as part of your precious homo sapiens? is there some magic combination of thymine, guanine, adenine, and cytosine that spells out the us bill of rights?

see, i'm thinking mandark was wrong: you believe in god, but you just haven't acknowledged it yet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 28, 2009, 07:03:01 PM
i haven't met a right i couldn't alienate :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2009, 02:47:26 AM
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Conservative media figures are blasting Democrats for trying to draw political gain from the death of Senator Ted Kennedy. But on Thursday, it was one of their own -- former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee -- who went there.

The 2008 Republican presidential candidate suggested during his radio show, "The Huckabee Report," on Thursday that, under President Obama's health care plan, Kennedy would have been told to "go home to take pain pills and die" during his last year of life.

"t was President Obama himself who suggested that seniors who don't have as long to live might want to consider just taking a pain pill instead of getting an expensive operation to cure them," said Huckabee. "Yet when Sen. Kennedy was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer at 77, did he give up on life and go home to take pain pills and die? Of course not. He freely did what most of us would do. He choose an expensive operation and painful follow up treatments. He saw his work as vitally important and so he fought for every minute he could stay on this earth doing it. He would be a very fortunate man if his heroic last few months were what future generations remember him most for."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/28/huckabee-kennedy-would-ha_n_271605.html

Come on Huck, tell me the liberal media is putting words in your mouth  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 02:59:55 AM
I thought Drinky would be the first victim of the Death Panel.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2009, 04:41:10 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 28, 2009, 06:13:32 PM
You really have to be more specific re: what you're asking for.

I think it was pretty clear.

Quote from: Professor Prole on August 28, 2009, 06:07:17 PM
explain to me the specific criteria that separate homo sapiens from other living things, in wholly objective terms, such that the differentiation is necessary when considering the act of terminating a "life".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 11:22:15 AM
I'm watching the Ted Kennedy service, and it's weird to see Obama, Clinton and Bush chilling and kind of shooting the breeze all together.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 29, 2009, 12:33:02 PM
really? what is "intelligence"? "sapience?" now you really ARE in completely subjective territory. objectivey, we're meat and chemical reactions, just like a cactus, or a kitten, and the only thing that makes us special is the purely SUBJECTIVE importance we ascribe to our condition -- that the chemical processes and biological configuration what produce our notion of self-awareness is somehow a feature of our species more significant than being able to regrow a tail or smell a deer 10 miles off. OBJECTIVELY, we are a certain configuration of chemicals, like any other organism that we likewise choose to arbitrarily distinguish based on its essential makeup. anything else is strictly magical thinking.


Quote from: JayDubya
Rights are inherent characteristics.  That's what a right is.  If it's not an independent property, inherent to the being, it isn't a right.  If someone gives it to you, someone can take it away - which means again... it isn't a right.

that's another false tautology. "a right is...a right! if it's not inherent to the being, it can't exist, but they DO, so lol!" prove to me a "right" exists; that it has a tangible, objective existence independent of the participation of others in pretending they exist.

i'm not sure how you can accuse me of being religious -- i'm not the one believing in magical ephemera, here! i don't believe god is necessary for morals -- in fact, i don't even believe morals objectively exist beyond chemical reactions in my brain to specific social stimuli.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 02:59:06 PM
That's because you're crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 03:03:30 PM
Why would I argue with a crazy person?

Repeating an argument over and over, expecting a different result. That would pretty much make me crazy.

I'm just here for the cheap thrills as intellectuals try to argue with someone totally detached from reality.

Crazy people are entertaining.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 03:13:40 PM
It's irrelevant, as I have no desire to discuss the subject matter with someone clearly detached from mainstream society, if not reality altogether.

Drinky is just playing with you at this point. Like a cat with a canary. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
I'm also not sure how one can interpret the act of arguing against fact to be intellectualism...

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 29, 2009, 03:24:27 PM
I think there's one thing we can all agree on: autotomy is fucking awesome! :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 29, 2009, 03:36:10 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on August 29, 2009, 12:33:02 PM
really? what is "intelligence"? "sapience?" now you really ARE in completely subjective territory. objectivey, we're meat and chemical reactions, just like a cactus, or a kitten, and the only thing that makes us special is the purely SUBJECTIVE importance we ascribe to our condition -- that the chemical processes and biological configuration what produce our notion of self-awareness is somehow a feature of our species more significant than being able to regrow a tail or smell a deer 10 miles off. OBJECTIVELY, we are a certain configuration of chemicals, like any other organism that we likewise choose to arbitrarily distinguish based on its essential makeup. anything else is strictly magical thinking.


Quote from: JayDubya
Rights are inherent characteristics.  That's what a right is.  If it's not an independent property, inherent to the being, it isn't a right.  If someone gives it to you, someone can take it away - which means again... it isn't a right.

that's another false tautology. "a right is...a right! if it's not inherent to the being, it can't exist, but they DO, so lol!" prove to me a "right" exists; that it has a tangible, objective existence independent of the participation of others in pretending they exist.

i'm not sure how you can accuse me of being religious -- i'm not the one believing in magical ephemera, here! i don't believe god is necessary for morals -- in fact, i don't even believe morals objectively exist beyond chemical reactions in my brain to specific social stimuli.

...and I think all but one can agree that this is a fairly pure distillation of Libertarianism's ideological roots and its complete political impotence, insofar as we understand effective politics to be dealing with the world as it actually is, and regardless of whatever specified form the Brechtian "libertarian vs. the world" drama had taken in the past couple pages.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 03:51:10 PM
Oh, I'm not name calling. I think you're swell enough guy, just totally insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 04:48:07 PM
Late reply, but I wasn't online until now.
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 09:05:28 AM

The natural right to life is more fundamental; it is the basis for preventing, investigating, and prosecuting lethal acts taken against other human beings.


Where do these natural rights originate and where do they reside?

Why does a clump of human cells located inside a woman have a right to life while a chimp doesn't?

We disagree on what is and isn't a human being/person.

Even if we agreed that a zygote, blastocyst, or fetus had a "natural right to life," why does that right include the right to use the body of a woman?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 29, 2009, 05:19:42 PM
In ancient Greece, orphans would be put on the steps of temples and if anybody wanted them then they could pick them up.  If not, they would die.  The only way that humans can assess the value of another life is based on social and cultural values.  Beyond wanting to pass on your DNA, your biological attributes won't do anything to make you more or less "human"/altruistic.

A newborn's life has value since we instinctively want to take care of them because of social standards/hormones.  If 99% of people support a specific action, then that action would be come legal, moral, kosher, whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 29, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
You agree that if 99% of people supported some sort of social rule, then that rule would probably be supported by most legal systems and religions, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 05:33:17 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: Malek on August 29, 2009, 04:48:07 PM
Late reply, but I wasn't online until now.
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 09:05:28 AM

The natural right to life is more fundamental; it is the basis for preventing, investigating, and prosecuting lethal acts taken against other human beings.

Where do these natural rights originate and where do they reside?

Note: this is a side-topic conversation, as clearly we're onto something more subjective here.

"Reside?"  They are innate characteristics; they'd have to be in order to be more than a privilege or an entitlement.  Rights are. 

I am asserting support for a bedrock values of the nation I inhabit, and something I embrace entirely.  I suppose the Brits receiving the DoI didn't think Jefferson's truths were very self-evident, hence the whole military invasion thing.  However, I concur with Jefferson, that men are created equal and endowed with unalienable rights, and to protect those rights, we make governments; when governments routinely violate those rights, those governments are no longer valid and should be removed.

For another tack on the same question, and a preface for the next, rights are a property of sentient and sapient life.  There could be other sentient & sapient life in our universe, but insofar as we know, we're it.

Yes, reside. Legal rights are located in constitutions, statutes, and case law. I can point to them, read them, enumerate them. Can you do the same thing with your "natural rights"?

Natural rights don't exist just because Jefferson said they do.

You're so mystical here that you might as well be talking about "souls."

Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:14:12 PM

While relatively intelligent compared to most animals, chimpanzees are not capable of the level of judgment, reasoning, or awareness that humans are.

Note: one could just as easily take a pro-animal rights position and marry it to an anti-abortion position.  Indeed, that would be more logically consistent than what is statistically more common among the PETA crowd.

They may not be as smart as born humans, but they're sure smarter than zygotes and fetuses.

Wrong. If you believe a clump of undifferentiated cells has some "natural right" to life, it should follow that fairly intelligent organism that suffer pain should also be covered by those rights. The converse does not follow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 29, 2009, 05:36:56 PM
oh dear
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:14:12 PM

I don't see how we could. 

A human in the fetal stage of growth and development is just as human as you or I, in the adult stage of growth and development. 

In that stage of development, however, a human being is not recognized as a person.

We are not simply reducible to our genetic material. An acorn is not an oak tree.

Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:14:12 PM

If we agreed that the human in utero had a natural right to life, we would have no argument.  The initiation of lethal force against a third party that has nothing to justify your actions would be a violation of that third party's right to life.  Governments are instituted specifically to prohibit or prosecute such infractions.

We have no obligation to be a host for a third party. You ignored my question.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 05:39:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Malek on August 29, 2009, 05:33:17 PM
Yes, reside. Legal rights are located in constitutions, statutes, and case law. I can point to them, read them, enumerate them.

 :lol  Neither the Constitution, nor any lower-tier governmental contract grants rights.  They can only recognize rights.  So no, they don't "reside" anywhere.

I was wondering what you were getting at.  I didn't realize the problem was fundamental.

This is religious thinking in action.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2009, 05:48:32 PM
Oh sweet jesus, can we either make a new thread for this same tired old abortion shit or shut it up?  JayDubya isn't going to step back- for fucks sakes he thinks we need less financial regulation even after the disastrophe of last year, he's a true believer that has never seen a shade of grey and this shit is tiresome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 29, 2009, 05:54:14 PM
Let's talk about something less divisive - like health care reform!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 05:58:53 PM
We're basically arguing whether a man with no hair on his head is bald. You say he isn't because I can't point to the exact moment when he ceases to be bald man. The line is going to be fuzzy. There is no magic moment when a human becomes a person.

Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: Malek on August 29, 2009, 05:33:17 PM

They may not be as smart as born humans, but they're sure smarter than zygotes and fetuses.

They're smarter than newborn humans, actually, but that's actually pretty tied to my own point - transitory states are not much of a basis for denying personhood.

Quote
Wrong. If you believe a clump of undifferentiated cells has some "natural right" to life, it should follow that fairly intelligent organism that suffer pain should also be covered by those rights. The converse does not follow.

If your standard for granting rights is tied to the wishy-washy pain / empathy standard, then give a chimpanzee a nice sedative and some general anesthetic before shooting them in the head.  Hell, for that matter, do it to a human.

A newborn baby is smarter than a newborn ape. Stop comparing apples to undifferentiated clumps of cells.

Who said that was my standard?

An anesthetic? cute. But physical pain isn't the only pain we endure. And you're depriving an organism that is currently capable of experiencing pleasure form experiencing continued pleasure. (let me guess "but a fetus will be capable, if it isn't stillborn, of experiencing pleasure, too." But the point is it hasn't and, since it's not conscious, wouldn't know what it is missing even in the abstract.)

Can a zygote experience either mental or physical pain or pleasure? No. Can it reason? No. Can it experience emotions? No. Does it have memories? No Does it have a social identity? No. But it has human DNA and can reproduce--so it's a person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 05:46:14 PM
  And 99% of the time, that third party is present due to voluntary and deliberate action.

A woman consents to sex; she doesn't consent to carrying a fetus to term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
I hate quote tags, god damn it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 06:22:23 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Well, there's an arbitrary legal line that says it happens at birth, but that's kind of what I'm taking issue with.

Your line drawing is arbitrary. You simply think certain characteristics (DNA and tissue) are important and others (consciousness, reason, pain, memories, social recognition, independence, etc.) aren't.


Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
The anesthetic recipient is not conscious either, nor is he or she experiencing pain or pleasure.  This is a temporary state, of course.

If you'll note, I have said nothing of "potential."  The human in utero is deserving of the protection of its rights not because of what it will become but because it is - a living human being.


You know, you committed battery by injecting anesthetic to a person without his or her consent. You weren't very mindful of that person's "natural rights."

Of course, that person had consciousness, and you took it away artificiality. This isn't the case with a zygote. It has no consciousness to take away.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 06:25:24 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 06:22:32 PM
Quote from: Malek on August 29, 2009, 06:15:13 PM
I hate quote tags, god damn it

They're getting quite nested and quite frustrating, actually, yeah.   :lol

And people claim that an agreement can't be reached in an abortion debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 29, 2009, 06:29:56 PM
although I didn't pursue a consensus, I still hold firm that we all agree on autotomy and its being pretty rad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on August 29, 2009, 06:50:01 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 06:31:04 PM
No it isn't, and no I don't.  I don't draw a line.  A living human being is a living human being.  You could argue that I'm drawing a line at conception, but I'd counter that prior to that, no organism exists.

Drawing the line at the beginning is still still drawing the line.


Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 06:31:04 PM
Indeed, unless I had their consent, and even if I did have their consent to put them under, I doubtlessly did not have consent to kill them. 

However, if I were to look at this in the context of the logical / moral framework presented by some in the pro-abortion camp, battery would be my crime, and there would certainly be broaching of duty if this were a patient, but the actual killing act wouldn't be criminally punishable. 

Referencing a person's current ability to experience pain and pleasure is just one of the ways to differentiate a person from a fetus.

But, looking at from a strictly hedonistic perceptive, you are still taking away a person's current, concrete ability to experience both mental and physical pleasure. It'd still be murder. It isn't simply potential pleasure, since the person has already realized that potential up to that point in your though experiment.

Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2009, 06:31:04 PM
If rights are the basis for the prosecution of crimes, and rights are granted to human persons, and humans are only people if they're currently exhibiting higher-level consciousness and can feel pain...

Legal rights are the basis for the prosecution of crimes and they are granted to human beings based on artificial, legal constructs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2009, 09:12:15 PM
Quote
This weekend's Republican YouTube address by Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY) -- one of the three key Republicans negotiating on health care -- was a pretty strong sign that negotiations might not be working out after all. Enzi delivered a thorough speech against the Democrats on health care. And even while he did not use the "death panel" phrase itself, he did make the same underlying argument by warning that people could be denied care because of age or disability: (vid at link)

"The bills would expand comparative effectiveness research that would be used to limit or deny care based on age or disability of patients," said Enzi. "Republican amendments in the HELP Committee would have protected Americans by prohibiting the rationing of their health care. The Democrats showed their true intent by voting every amendment down and leaving these unacceptable provisions in the bill. This intrusion of a Washington bureaucrat in the relationship between a doctor and a patient is not the kind of reform that Americans are seeking."

And remember, this guy is one of the key GOPers with whom the Democrats are working, to try to find common ground.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/enzi-pushes-deatherism-in-gop-address.php?ref=fpblg

How do you legislate or compromise with these people?

edit: comparative effectiveness research is not some 1984 nightmare
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/health/policy/16health.html

Conservatives creating scare tactics about a plan to save money? SMH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2009, 09:50:11 PM
Jebus, when is Obama gonna learn about dealing with these fucking nutbars?  Seriously, a process that a Senator from WYOMING was a part of was supposed to produce something that would be effective?  Yeah right.

Not to mention that the notion of bipartisanship is still all upside down in DC.  We're coming off of more than a quarter century of pretty much continual conservative rule, and the GOP still expects negotiations to go like they did before they got the shit kicked out of them in two consecutive elections.  WTF?  No bitches, if you want to be part of governing (haha) then YOU get to be the conciliatory ones in this equation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2009, 10:07:52 PM
So we have two dudes on the finance committee peddling deather shit. plus somebody admitting to just stalling the process

stand up for yourself god damn
[youtube=560,345]vRbCfdR4NZs[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 30, 2009, 03:01:26 PM
Democrats are too scared to be the majority party.  Even when Clinton was in office, the far right wing was strengthening but Democrats have solid majorities in Congress.  Obama dropped the ball by not ignoring the far right.  He did that for a while but slipped up on the health care thing.

I was in Nebraska this weekend and the FUD is cranked up high on cap and trade and health care reform.  No wonder Ben Nelson has proven himself to be a chickenshit on health care reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 30, 2009, 03:12:04 PM
The Pubs only regained control of both houses for a decade. Not twenty-five years.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
they'll probably have them both back within the next 10 years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 30, 2009, 03:29:56 PM
.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2009, 03:35:24 PM
kinda makes me want to go back and read all the hubris surrounding "new age of dem dominance! 40 years! demographics!" talk that popped up after the election.

bad economy+dem incompetence will throw that out the fucking window 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 30, 2009, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 30, 2009, 03:12:04 PM
The Pubs only regained control of both houses for a decade. Not twenty-five years.

Yeah, but I seem to remember them having the White House for 12 years before that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 31, 2009, 02:53:18 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on August 29, 2009, 09:50:11 PM
Not to mention that the notion of bipartisanship is still all upside down in DC.

It's a peculiarly American notion, at that.  In the UK everyone expects whoever takes parliament to vote through their agenda and live or die on the results.

Bipartisan negotiations were a big part of the last half-century of US politics because we have a system where the executive can (and often is) in a different party from the legislature, and because of the historical makeup of our national parties.  They used to be patchworks of regional parties without much ideological coherence.  You had liberal New England Republicans and conservative Southern Democrats mostly as vestiges of the Civil War divisions.

It was easier finding cross-party alliances, but it wasn't a better system.  When Adlai Stevenson (!) wins the South because of an unspoken agreement to maintain Jim Crow, that's not a good thing.


Quote from: PD
kinda makes me want to go back and read all the hubris surrounding "new age of dem dominance! 40 years! demographics!" talk that popped up after the election.

bad economy+dem incompetence will throw that out the fucking window

Judis and Teixeira published their book in 2002, when Bush's numbers were huge and the GOP had the House for eight years running.  We're talking about the cold equations, not irrational exuberance.

There's always going to be fluctuations in politics, especially based on the economy's performance.  I'd expect Republicans to take some seats in the House and maybe the Senate.  But unless you can figure out a scenario where they start winning over atheists and minorities, the long-term numbers are pretty unforgiving.

Give the panic button a rest for a while.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 01, 2009, 10:39:07 AM
I don't think this has been posted yet.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0OUXkZO8vE[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 01, 2009, 10:41:48 AM
I can't watch anything on Faux news anymore. It's bad for my blood pressure.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 02, 2009, 01:50:21 AM
pat buchanan asks, "was hitler really that bad!?" (http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2009, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: Borys on September 01, 2009, 11:25:22 AM
(http://i31.tinypic.com/xm1tnk.jpg)

:lol

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2009, 03:56:35 AM
Drudge sez the public option is done
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26672.html
http://twitter.com/DavidShuster/status/3703648301
Huck 2012 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on September 02, 2009, 04:09:12 AM
Quote from: Crushed on September 02, 2009, 01:50:21 AM
pat buchanan asks, "was hitler really that bad!?" (http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068)

(http://j.photos.cx/pjb-column1-950.jpg) <->  :smug

edit:
Quote
If Hitler wanted the world, why did he not build strategic bombers, instead of two-engine Dorniers and Heinkels that could not even reach Britain from Germany?

uh wat? A two-engined Heinkel was a strategic bomber in 1938.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2009, 04:18:31 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on September 02, 2009, 04:09:12 AM
Quote from: Crushed on September 02, 2009, 01:50:21 AM
pat buchanan asks, "was hitler really that bad!?" (http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068)

(http://j.photos.cx/pjb-column1-950.jpg) <->  :smug


[youtube=560,345]Ojxp6unu0no[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 02, 2009, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: Crushed on September 02, 2009, 01:50:21 AM
pat buchanan asks, "was hitler really that bad!?" (http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068)

lol, wow. Call the Iraq War unnecessary and you aren't supporting the troops, suggest that American policy in the Middle East is what lead to the 9/11 attacks and you're blame-America-first.

But blame Poland for WW2 and genocide....


btw don't miss the first comment. Yikes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 02, 2009, 06:46:19 PM
This is the new right.

I just hope that all of this general insanity will not churn out any kind of influential leadership.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 02, 2009, 07:44:44 PM
remember, pre-ww2 and even into the early years of it, there was a large contingent of political support FOR hitler in america.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 02, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
Wasn't that due largely in part to ethnic solidarity?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 02, 2009, 08:34:05 PM
omg, I'd never seen Glenn Beck before.  I assumed he was an unscrupulous entertainer like Limbaugh and Coulter, but he appears to either be clinically insane or have decided that it would be advantageous to present himself as clinically insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 02, 2009, 09:55:09 PM
Glenn Beck's a fucking tool, but when you go from 600k viewers a night to 2-3 million, you can't really blame him for continuing that schtick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2009, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 02, 2009, 08:34:05 PM
omg, I'd never seen Glenn Beck before.  I assumed he was an unscrupulous entertainer like Limbaugh and Coulter, but he appears to either be clinically insane or have decided that it would be advantageous to present himself as clinically insane.

Not clinically insane, just socially accepted insanity. I'm not sure if his viewers care what he says. He's just the Diceman for the uptight. Pretty amazing how much hate religious people can spew on a daily basis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 02, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Pat Buchanan is about as far as you can get from the new right. He's bedrock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2009, 10:38:18 PM
Buchanan is still waiting for Jesus to return.
Still.
After all these years.
Any day now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 03, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on September 02, 2009, 07:44:44 PM
remember, pre-ww2 and even into the early years of it, there was a large contingent of political support FOR hitler in america.

remember, he killed commies so he must be good*

*also applies to pinochet, still idolized today by the right as a misunderstood champion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 03, 2009, 01:43:37 AM
there were a number of reasons hitler had the support of certain groups in the u.s.

can't put on hindsight glasses and be too judgemental of those people, as they really weren't privvy to information kept secret at the time, as hitler was pretty savvy about his worldwide public image pre-1939

to a lot of foreigners he was just known as the guy who pulled germany out of a horrific depression, and there was sympathy all over the world for the german population regarding the harsh terms of the treaty of versailles they lived under during the 20s and early 30s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 03, 2009, 02:04:28 AM
A lot of the worst stuff was a secret until during or after the war, but it was clear early on that the Nazi movement was authoritarian and racist.

Praising Hitler in 1936 might not be as bad as praising him in 1946, but it still would have been wrong.  Plenty of people at the time opposed him, openly and for the right reasons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 03, 2009, 02:18:51 AM
sure, but the racism which had been a prominent part of the nazi platform at the formation of the party was swept to the background not long after, when the party leaders realized it wasn't really helping their chances in being elected

hitler was pretty big on the "mood of the people" and would turnabout depending on what his party spies told him the people were bristling over  - witness his many about-faces (publicly, at least) on issues like euthanizing the mentally disabled

you could say the same things about people who rallied around and nicknamed stalin "uncle joe" during the time period, as well, when it was just as clearly known what kind of business he was running in russia
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 03, 2009, 02:27:20 AM
So... hows about that "Glenn Beck killed someone in 1990" rumor that's making the rounds?

Can't prove it didn't happen!!  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 03, 2009, 05:59:43 AM
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/ (http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 03, 2009, 11:15:23 AM
That's great :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2009, 11:28:46 AM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/A_new_front_in_the_GOPs_war_on_sanity.html

That's right folks, keep your kids out of school on September the 8th or Obama will INDOCTRINATE THEM INTO SOCIALISM.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2009, 11:46:11 AM
That is kind of dumb, but it's still not OMG TEH INDOCTRINATION OF SOCIALISM AMONGST OUR CHILRUN!

Speaking of which JD, if you have kids will you send them to those parasitic public schools?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 03, 2009, 11:54:25 AM
I do think that people are overreacting to the school thing. It does come across as a little creepy when you start showing videos where you have celebrities pledging to do whatever Obama wants. Cult of personality anyone?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 03, 2009, 11:59:13 AM
[youtube=560,345]pTQawLBC59g[/youtube]

Here is the end of it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 03, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 03, 2009, 12:04:15 PM
Yeah.

Hell, I don't like pledging to the flag, which is just a symbol, let alone swear fealty to an executive as if he were a monarch, which is exactly what that was.

It's cause you're racist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 03, 2009, 12:47:51 PM
This reminds me of my die-hard-mouth-breather-liberal friend who actually told me that he pledged allegiance to the democratic party last year.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2009, 01:14:59 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on September 03, 2009, 11:59:13 AM
[youtube=560,345]pTQawLBC59g[/youtube]

Here is the end of it


Holy shit who thought that was a good idea. Servant?  :lol :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2009, 03:34:42 PM
My wife is a teacher at a public school. Socialism pays my bills

:bow Socialism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 03, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
Quote from: Crushed on September 02, 2009, 01:50:21 AM
pat buchanan asks, "was hitler really that bad!?" (http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068)

"leftist" MSNBC allows pat buchanan to ask, "was hitler really that bad!?" (http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030024)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2009, 07:08:13 PM
...dude.  Seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 03, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 02, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Pat Buchanan is about as far as you can get from the new right. He's bedrock

I agree that Buchanan is definitely not new but the new right today seems to be a lot more forthcoming in expressing how they really feel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 03, 2009, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 03, 2009, 06:54:13 PM
It's funny, after reading that article, I don't see the line "was Hitler really all thad bad?" nor any derivation therein or anything that could be logically misconstrued as such.

But by "funny," I mean, "totally expected."

SMH

Though I guess someone in love with Pinochet wouldn't read that article and find it a gross distortion of history in Hitler's benefit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 04, 2009, 01:18:07 AM
The key thing is Buchanan deliberately twisted the historical record and made bad arguments in order to make Hitler's actions look better than they were.  It's entirely fair to question his agenda.

See Anderson's comments (http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/i-read-pat-buchanans-column-on-hitler-and-my-eyes-are-bleeding/#comment-52330) to this blog post for examples.




PS  You've been telling a lot of people to fuck themselves lately.  You ever wonder if this is the most rewarding way to invest your time?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 04, 2009, 06:59:04 AM
I'm sure this has already made its round on the internets but Michele Bachmann wants us to slash our wrists in unison against health care:

http://coloradoindependent.com/36840/bachmann-slit-our-wrists-be-blood-brothers%E2%80%99-to-beat-health-care-reform

At least she got it partially right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2009, 05:46:01 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/04/franken-calms-down-health_n_277687.html

Franken: 1
Me: 0

awesome, I take back my negative comments :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 04, 2009, 07:18:52 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 04, 2009, 01:35:59 AM
Edit: Is your definition of "a lot" Mamacint, and Mamacint?

 :cookiem
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 04, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
holy shit i got a lot of catching up to do

this thread is clearly on the laffer curve
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2009, 12:47:46 AM
I'm pretty sure JD snapped at T EXP a while back in the thread, about Rahm Emanuel's Seekrit Mandatory Service Plan.  Generally, I'd say he's been testy for about a year and is suffering from Ron Paul post-partum depression.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 05, 2009, 12:53:52 AM
libruls and their recycling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 05, 2009, 01:16:54 AM
I had to pay 120 dollars out of pocket to get my ears irrigated. I want public health care now! Someone else should have to pay for me shoving a Q-tip into my ear repeatedly.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 05, 2009, 01:21:21 AM
That's communist talk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on September 05, 2009, 01:27:10 AM
Q-tipping point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 05, 2009, 01:29:23 AM
<insert penis joke here>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 05, 2009, 01:37:05 AM
Quote from: Malek on September 05, 2009, 01:27:10 AM
Q-tipping point.

Veeery good. I wish I had thought of it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2009, 01:42:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2009, 05:46:01 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/04/franken-calms-down-health_n_277687.html

Franken: 1
Me: 0

awesome, I take back my negative comments :bow

[youtube=560,345]SCNs7Zpqo98[/youtube]


This is a really good clip.  I'm not surprised at all, though.  Jon Chait and Paul Krugman have both vouched for Franken as an earnest wonk, and he's worked overtime to prove that he's willing to listen and engage with people rather than throw verbal bombs.  I think the need to overcome his comedian-gadfly past will make him a better senator than he would have been otherwise.

Also, he's totally citing that awesome Atul Gawande article on health care from the NYer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 05, 2009, 11:37:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 05, 2009, 01:42:41 AM
  Jon Chait and Paul Krugman have both vouched for Franken as an earnest wonk, and he's worked overtime to prove that he's willing to listen and engage with people rather than throw verbal bombs.

Yes, but is he a servant of the lord President Obama? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 05, 2009, 12:09:41 PM
FoC, just so you know, this is my mental image of you when you post shit like that:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3far9oHZOsI[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 05, 2009, 12:14:03 PM
Has Obama appointed a czar czar yet to oversee the hiring of czars?  Just wondering with the Van Jones thing and all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Draft on September 05, 2009, 01:39:13 PM
More like Franken talks down mildly agitated woman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 07, 2009, 01:37:48 PM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

good god... the infamous indoctrination speech... he's gonna brainwash are children
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 07, 2009, 02:09:57 PM
I'd like to see some stats on the center right and young people.  I can't see how this type of behavior is winning the center/center-right back into the Republican fold.  It just seems to be a vocal minority who goes around to various events to throw a fit.  It reminds me of the flagellators of the Middle Ages.

I also can't see how these events aren't raising a group of young people who will be completely apathetic or apolitical.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 07, 2009, 03:40:03 PM
The speech is great for all the students who need extra time to finish their homework from the night before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 07, 2009, 04:32:16 PM
Xbox gets named dropped in a Presidential speech. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 07, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
is there anything the right wing won't freak out about needlessly?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2009, 05:20:46 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 07, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
is there anything the right wing won't freak out about needlessly?

No, and if the Democrats were smarter they'd use that to their advantage by saying one thing one week, and then the opposite the next.

"THE KENYAN SOCIALIST MUSLIM WITH A RADICAL PASTOR WANTS TO FORCE YOU INTO GOVT. RUN HEALTHCARE!"

...

"THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE MORE CHOICES!  HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK???"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2009, 06:52:52 PM
Just imagine if we capture Osama within the next couple  years. The right's reactions will be priceless  :lol

Seriously, he's telling kids to
-study hard
-go to class
-listen to your teachers
-if you're poor that's no excuse to be a bad student

I thought conservatards loved personal responsibility? I'd imagine some folks will buy the "bububu he changed the speech after we protested!" line, but most REGULAR Americans will look at that speech and say "lol, now I remember why I voted against those fucktards back in November. Good jon Obama"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 07, 2009, 08:47:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2009, 06:52:52 PM
I'd imagine some folks will buy the "bububu he changed the speech after we protested!" line

Just googling for a link to the speech, one of the first things I got was the Free Republic full of people trying to rationalize it as "the original speech was all about UHC and socialism, we scared him off, folks!"

Now they're saying it's him trying to just work his way into their minds for more speeches, which will convince children to turn in their parents.


Oh, and this part is apparently super-objectionable to them:

Quote from: Hussein Soetoro 0bongo!!!
You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

Seriously. They object to this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2009, 09:29:47 PM
But if our children cure AIDS, won't that make their children sexually active since there would be no consequences? Is curing AIDS really what we want our children to do?  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 07, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
Most freepers themselves are poor and relatively uneducated.  The thought of students growing up to be engineers or doctors probably intimidates them because it shows that some people have the opportunities and initiative that they never had or took advantage of.  To add insult to injury, these industries lie in areas that clash directly with evangelical or conservative beliefs.

Self loathing might be the main reason why this movement exists, IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 07, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2009, 09:29:47 PM
But if our children cure AIDS, won't that make their children sexually active since there would be no consequences? Is curing AIDS really what we want our children to do?  :smug
I swear that's an actual argument against the HPV (cervical cancer) vaccine.
Quote from: T EXP on September 07, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
Self loathing might be the main reason why this movement exists, IMO.
I think that's way too simplistic of an explanation, but then again, the whole movement is way too simplistic.

I think what we're seeing these days is the result of a healthy swath of the population that for the better part of the last generation, hasn't been properly informed.  If you're a guy who only listens to Rush, watches Fox News, and shuns any other sort of information from the 'Liberal Media Elite', then of course you're going to be an angry, confrontational, ill-informed boob.  The problem is that the traditional forms of media, the ones that were actually informative and useful, have fallen out of use over the last decade (newspapers), or have become degraded themselves over time (network news and all cable news especially).  A person can know everything about the Micheal Jackson case these days far easier then they can the health care debate.  In fact I'd bet money that that is the case for most of America.

When so few people are properly informed, when so many rely only on their self-congratulatory echo chamber of news outlets (the left is also somewhat, but only a little guilty of this), it should be no surprise that debate and compromise itself is in danger of going away.  What with so much certainty floating around, who wants to talk things through?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 07, 2009, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 07, 2009, 09:52:06 PM
I think what we're seeing these days is the result of a healthy swath of the population that for the better part of the last generation, hasn't been properly informed.  If you're a guy who only listens to Rush, watches Fox News, and shuns any other sort of information from the 'Liberal Media Elite', then of course you're going to be an angry, confrontational, ill-informed boob.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2009, 01:39:13 AM
Quote from: Barack Obama
But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.
 
Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

This has been the conservative message about education and opportunity since I've been following politics.  Hard work and personal responsibility instead of using social disadvantages as a crutch.  They eat it up when Bill Cosby says something along these lines, and sets him up as a counter to the "victimization" narratives of the NAACP.

Of all things, this should have been the last to turn into the Controversy Of The Week.  They should have been making perfunctory statements about the importance of education -- if they noticed the speech at all -- rather than threatening to pull their kids and imputing a fascist agenda to the president.  It's nuts.  They're nuts.


Remember in the first month or two of Obama's presidency?  Right wing pundits vacillated between "ZOMG SOCIALISM" and "heh indeed, the liberals were tricked into voting for a center-right candidate  :smug".  Well, they've officially resolved that contradiction.  No matter what Obama does or says, he's an extremist and a conspirator against the country.

I feel a bit dumb for being even a little surprised by this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 08, 2009, 01:46:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 08, 2009, 01:39:13 AM
Quote from: Barack Obama
But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.
 
Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

This has been the conservative message about education and opportunity since I've been following politics.  Hard work and personal responsibility instead of using social disadvantages as a crutch.  They eat it up when Bill Cosby says something along these lines, and sets him up as a counter to the "victimization" narratives of the NAACP.

Of all things, this should have been the last to turn into the Controversy Of The Week.  They should have been making perfunctory statements about the importance of education -- if they noticed the speech at all -- rather than threatening to pull their kids and imputing a fascist agenda to the president.  It's nuts.  They're nuts.


Remember in the first month or two of Obama's presidency?  Right wing pundits vacillated between "ZOMG SOCIALISM" and "heh indeed, the liberals were tricked into voting for a center-right candidate  :smug".  Well, they've officially resolved that contradiction.  No matter what Obama does or says, he's an extremist and a conspirator against the country.

I feel a bit dumb for being even a little surprised by this.

You should never be surprised by the ability of people to hold two completely contradictory notions in their head depending on whatever the current situation is at the moment. I know people down South who belong to blue collar unions but hate Obama because of teh socialism. My old/new observation is how fascinating it is to watch identity politics operate in this country based on race, and class, and of course the usual right left divide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 08, 2009, 02:01:07 AM
To: SWAMPSNIPER
“You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

This is what concerns me the most...our kids’ history and social studies textbooks are distorted and paint America as a country that has much to be ashamed of...

He wants us to “make our nation more FAIR...and more FREE?”

And Socialism is the way to do that??? I think NOT!!

Soooo glad Virginia is NOT airing this video to our children!!


36 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 09:30:38 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Lisamei62 (Right Wing Extremist Mom)

To: TheZMan
Yeah I got the same sour taste from his example of AIDS being the great disease of our time.

Its not like curing Cancer or Heart Disease is any kind of big deal, right?

I mean, didn’t his OWN Mother die of Cancer?

But of course, AIDS is THAT ONE disease that is officially sanctioned by the Politically Correct Intellectuals on the Left as THE GREAT SCOURGE on the WORLD.


39 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 09:30:58 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by R0CK3T

To: Feline_AIDS
He wants our children to think he’s a “nice guy”...or that he’s “cool”...so that when he starts really asking them to “help him”...(like turning in their parents who may say some not-so-nice things about him)...they might be more likely to support him...after all...he’s THE PRESIDENT...and Mommy and Daddy must be wrong for saying those things!

UGH...


62 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 09:39:17 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Lisamei62 (Right Wing Extremist Mom)

To: buccaneer81
Everyone keep in mind that the one speaking is the one who approved the appointment of a pedophile-enabling, drug abusing, radical homo-nazi to the DOE as the director of “safe schools.” It all comes into perspective.


73 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 09:44:20 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")

To: buccaneer81
Obama says NOTHING about the greatness of this country and for kids to be proud to be AMericans — a simple thing one would expect of the President of the United States.


74 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 09:44:25 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by SmartInsight

To: PghBaldy
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Yep. This is liberal indoctrination.


99 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 09:55:42 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by KansasGirl ( Obama's heroes have always been left-wing radicals.)
:usacry :usacry

Title: Phil Hartman called it "aggressively ignorant"
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2009, 02:05:31 AM
Speaking of maintaining contradictory opinions, what's with the far right wing opposing Obama's attempts to liberalize the government's detention and torture policies?

If you thought that the president was a radical communist/fascist with designs on undermining the constitution, brainwashing our children into the Obama Youth (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/obama_youth.jpg&imgrefurl=http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/category/fascism/&usg=__z5AfHQ5mD4mQ38uYFEUWquMKIXw=&h=576&w=402&sz=74&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=SV5bJya6gQO0wM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522obama%2Byouth%2522%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1), setting up death panels (http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=113851103434), and compiling an enemies' list (http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/18/obamas-enemies-list) so he can send them to concentration camps (http://boingboing.net/2009/03/17/foxs-glenn-beck-says.html), then why in the name of God would you want to give him unchecked power to arrest, imprison, and torture anyone he wants?

IT MAKES. NO. SENSE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 08, 2009, 02:08:25 AM
To: Rebelbase
I’ve scanned it twice and see nothing wrong with it. Kids should be having this kind of stuff pounded into them on a daily basis by their teachers and parents.
So you believe that we should "pound into them on a daily basis that the "need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free?

Is that what we want our children to do, "fight poverty and homelessness?" "Fight crime and discrimination?." "To make our nation more fair and more free?" I guess we want them all to grow up as community organizers and work for ACORN.

I was taught in school in the 1950s and 60s that America was the land of freedom and opportunity for all. How should we now make our country more fair and more free? Obama's big government that took over the car industry, banking, insurance, etc. and sets executive salary levels? Or Obamacare? Or cap and trade? This is all about the Marxist philosophy of economic justice and redistribution of wealth.

And this crap that Obama is working hard for you is just more of a cult of personality. Obama is not the government.

112 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 10:06:30 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by kabar
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2009, 02:09:15 AM
Quick, someone pull recursive out of there before he snaps and goes native.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 08, 2009, 02:15:35 AM
To: Rebelbase; kabar
In 0bama’s new world, new Amerika, he needs these kids to work for the state, “for the country.” The entire speech is socialist propaganda and indoctrination. The speech really isn’t about education, but about how 0bama and the new Amerika needs them to work.
He needs them to start thinking about how to work for the country. Those critical thinking skills are not what you are considering, they are the critical thinking skills of the scholastic socialist model.

195 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 10:48:26 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)



@Mandark yeah, FR threads are like Pringles for me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 08, 2009, 02:22:13 AM
To: HollyB
there is a whole lot in there about misery
The Democrat philosophy - make people think their lives are miserable, then they turn to you to help.

Beyond that...If Obama wanted to do a speech, fine. But a welcoming one...Welcome back to school, challenges ahead, opportunities, new beginnings, etc. Exciting and optimistic not this humdrum, woe is me, sad thing that he tries to turn around by telling them they can overcome. It is like getting run over by a tractor, then being expected to stand up and cheer thank you.

First this will be way over the heads of many students and inappropriate for the younger ones because of the talk about AIDS etc.

Secondly, in most schools kids will not pay attention anyway...they will be talking, laughing, passing notes, etc. Obama is such an egotist to think that kids will listen intently. Go to any school assembly and tell me who was listening, and who remembers what was said?

Third, and most importantly. If Obama wants to talk to our kids he should address real issues they need to hear about for their own self worth and respect. Such as: -

1. Pull your pants up and cover your underwear, and get pants that are your size and not sized for Bozo the clown.
2. Don't have multiple ear, face, body piercings and tatoos.
3. Wear normal hairstyles, not all shaved off, not purple and red dyed, not glued in spikes, and not in fuzzy dreadlocks.
4. Do not have a baby until you are working and can pay for it and can be an all-the-time parent! Do not expect the govt. to pay for your children anymore if they are born before you are married and you or your spouse are working.
5. Learn to speak ENGLISH...Not Spanish, Eubonics, Hip Hop, Jive. If you want a good job, you must be able to communicate in English!
6. Walk lifting both feet, not sliding and slouching across the road. Walking tall and proud is a sign of self-confidence.

7. Do not expect handouts. Handouts do not make you equal. Handouts make you less than equal because they make you dependent. Government, like me, wants you dependent so we can be in control. But do not take them, or you will never be free again.

246 posted on Mon Sep 07 2009 12:19:38 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2009, 02:34:08 AM
More than a little telling how CitizenM (if that is his real name!) puts so much emphasis on white, middle-class cultural signifiers, no?  "Normal hairstyles" my tuchus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 08, 2009, 11:39:56 AM
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/04/average-home-price-in-detroit-falls-to.html (http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/04/average-home-price-in-detroit-falls-to.html)
Quote
According to the Michigan Association of Realtors and Detroit Board of Realtors (data here), the average sales price of a Detroit home fell to $12,669 in February (Year-to-Date), a -42.5% decline from the $22,016 average home price during the same period last year (see chart above).

 :lol :lol What a shithole.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 08, 2009, 04:40:15 PM
Sort of slightly off topic (but not really) but I just found out my nephew who is in the marines is going over to Afghanistan in May of next year. I know many of us probably have family members or relatives over there so it's not like my emotions are unique but the news left me feeling sour today and with a sense of dread and sadness.

Just amazes me all these years later that we are still in a country we have no business in fighting the remnants of a war we have no business fighting. Just utterly foolish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 08, 2009, 06:17:28 PM
I disagree that Afghanistan is a war not worth fighting, and I say this as someone who has a brother enlisting in the armed forces and will likely be sent there as well.

I do agree that we cannot continue to fight this war the way we have been (limited support, limited troops, reliance on military contractors, etc.).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 08, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
While it help paints me a ultra-liberal stereotype (the kind who loves NPR and such), I still can't help but love This Modern World.

(http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/09/08/tomo/story.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2009, 07:33:02 PM
Quote from: Willco on September 08, 2009, 06:17:28 PM
I disagree that Afghanistan is a war not worth fighting, and I say this as someone who has a brother enlisting in the armed forces and will likely be sent there as well.

I do agree that we cannot continue to fight this war the way we have been (limited support, limited troops, reliance on military contractors, etc.).


Why is it worth fighting in your opinion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2009, 07:49:30 PM
Those poor kids, the socialism melted their minds... (http://www.tampabay.com/features/article1034344.ece)

Quote
Obama's speech was just dripping with socialist values, especially when he told kids "I hope you'll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don't feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter."

Oh, and the part about students setting goals for their education and asking for help when they worry they won't succeed? He is stealing the words right out of Karl Marx's mouth.

edit- the juxtaposition between some of the commenters underneath the article (the usual gang of right wing interweb idiots) and those kids is pretty comical
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 08, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2009, 07:33:02 PM
Why is it worth fighting in your opinion

To stop a nation from collapsing into the hands of a militant organization that harbored and trained the very people that committed terrorist attacks on US soil, and also threaten to destabilize a neighboring nation with actual nuclear weapons is not a war worth fighting for?

The reason behind war is sound, the strategy is not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 08, 2009, 08:12:45 PM
Furthermore, Aghanistan is the remnants of meddling and disastrous American foreign policy decades prior. It's not like we simply walked into a situation that was peachy. We are indirectly responsible for the mess.

The fact that Americans are willing to destabilize a country for political means, happily let the Air Force carpet bomb it to hell, but lack the stomach to rebuild it, is pretty depressing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2009, 08:21:50 PM
We can't even rebuild New Orleans after Katrina; why should anyone think we can rebuild another country we know nothing about?  Most of this is what comes of almost 30 years of letting people who don't want to govern do the governing.  Basically, you don't let a shitty homeowner run an apartment complex across town if you can help it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 08, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
This is also a pretty sad argument.

For all purposes, we've broken something, but because we've showcased an inability to fix things properly, we should run away from our consequences?

Leaving a country to becoming a narco-state sounds like a good way to protect American interests!

Quote
Basically, you don't let a shitty homeowner run an apartment complex across town if you can help it.

To a degree, but it's really more or less trying to pick the lesser of two evils, without any of the foresight to realize that the organization and your interests will collide one day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2009, 08:55:55 PM
Is Cheebs still banned? He doesn't seem to post in Poligaf either for some reason.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2009, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 08, 2009, 08:55:55 PM
Is Cheebs still banned? He doesn't seem to post in Poligaf either for some reason.

He's been busy preparing himself to view the next Diablo Cody movie and mourning Ted Kennedy, he doesn't have time for internets forums shenanigans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 12:31:46 AM
He's on Shia Loves Mommy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 02:32:04 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32737911#32737911
 :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 09, 2009, 12:02:08 PM
It was an indoctrination speech before we had protested...........and decided for our kids that they should not hear something from an authoratative black man. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 09, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
o God, this was in my hometown last weekend:
http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2009/09/hundreds_gather_for_tea_party.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2009/09/hundreds_gather_for_tea_party.html)

Quote
Jackson resident Bill Spencer attended the rally and carried a sign that showed duct tape over the mouth of President Barack Obama. Spencer said he was at the rally because of the economic effect the Obama administration's agenda has had.

"It's putting businesses of Jackson almost out of business. I come from a locally run family business here in town," Spencer said. "I don't want to mention it, but that could just kill us."

FUD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 09, 2009, 01:22:51 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400831593074454.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400831593074454.html)
They're getting creative now. This dude argues that government regulation is the cause of why our healthcare is inaffordably expensive.


But the WSJ semi-redeemed themselves by publishing this right below:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574401163387229496.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574401163387229496.html)

Quote
The most notable literary response to last year's financial crisis was not to turn to the obvious genre—books about Wall Street shenanigans in the 1920s—but to skip several historical stages and to go straight to Ayn Rand's 1957 novel "Atlas Shrugged," in which heroic titans of industry are persecuted by a meddling government. The book's sales skyrocketed in early 2009, proving that when bankers puff asset bubbles and wreck the world, a large part of the public can be counted on to learn from that experience that bankers are the real victims of society, presumably deserving even more tax cuts and deregulation.
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/gop_lawmakers_graphic_sex-bragging_caught_on_tape.php?ref=fpblg
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 09, 2009, 01:39:42 PM
(http://www.cawrecycles.org/files/images/Murray_Barsuglia.jpg)

Picture of the chick on the right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 09, 2009, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/gop_lawmakers_graphic_sex-bragging_caught_on_tape.php?ref=fpblg
 :rofl :rofl :rofl

:lol

That is some grody shit. Why would I want to hear about some girl dripping cum on the stairs, that gives me the heebie jeebies.

The best part is she's an energy lobbyist. Imagine a gangbang with her, a health insurance lobbyist, and a defense industry lobbyist :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 09, 2009, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/gop_lawmakers_graphic_sex-bragging_caught_on_tape.php?ref=fpblg
 :rofl :rofl :rofl

What a shithead. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 01:52:03 PM
She wears little eye-patch underwear. So, the other day she came here with her underwear, Thursday. And
 so, we had made love Wednesday--a lot! And so she'll, she's all, 'I am going 
up and down the stairs, and you're dripping out of me!' So messy!

quote of the year  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 09, 2009, 01:54:09 PM
http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/72/?p=article&sid=167&id=207627

Quote from: press release
Freshman Assemblyman Michael D. Duvall issued the following reaction to the California Supreme Court’s decision to eliminate the state’s recognition of marriage between one man and one woman:

“I am disappointed the Supreme Court has decided today to disregard the opinion of an overwhelming majority of California voters and overturn Proposition 22. I look forward to supporting the California Marriage Protection Act that will hopefully appear on the November ballot and amend the State Constitution, so we can end this debate once and for all.”

http://arc.asm.ca.gov/member/72/?p=article&sid=167&id=219702

Quote from: press release
SACRAMENTO - Assemblyman Michael D. Duvall (R-Yorba Linda) today announced that he has received a perfect 100% score on the Capitol Resource Institute's (CRI) annual legislative scorecard.

"Assemblyman Duvall has been a consistent trooper for the conservative cause," stated Capitol Resource Institute Executive Director Karen England. "For the last two years he has voted, time and time again, to protect and preserve family values in California. We are grateful for his support of California families and will continue to look for it in the upcoming session."

The Capitol Resource Institute's mission is to protect and strengthen families through public policy advocacy. Their legislative scorecard is the only such 'report card' that annually rates legislators on their pro-family votes.

"California's families are under a constant assault in Sacramento, and CRI does an excellent job of educating legislators and staff alike on issues, and advocating in defense of the traditional family," Assemblyman Duvall said. "Moreover, the Legislature needs to stop constantly injecting itself into people's everyday lives, telling them when they can use their cell phones, whether or not they can visit a tanning salon, and other such nonsense. Over the past two years I have made a concerted effort to work with CRI on heading off these threats, and beating back the constant efforts to expand Nanny Government in California, and I will continue to fight for this as long as I have the opportunity to serve in Sacramento."


The lobbyist angle is a lot bigger in practical terms, but this is funnier.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 09, 2009, 04:25:13 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDMxZGQ1Mzc0OTFiMGZkNDBmMWNlZTMzNzFhNDNkNGY=

Quote from: Jay Nordlinger
It could be that conservatives will “own the insult” and use “teabagger” as a badge of honor. It could become some proud conservative N-word.

Yeah, that's like the perfect analogy and stuff!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
Slavery, concentration camps, lynching, death panels, n word! If we're playing oppression bingo, what term or word is next? Water hose?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2009, 05:23:38 PM
Probably old, but has anyone read about Supply Side Jesus (http://thejustlife.org/home/2008/04/04/supply-side-jesus/)?
Stolen, but new to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 06:15:31 PM
Duvall resigns
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/duvall_resigns_after_sex_bragging.php?ref=fpblg

that was quick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2009, 07:23:57 PM
Pretty shocking, considering Republicans usually don't resign from sex scandals.  I guess the fact that he was banging a lobbyist has something to do with it, but then again Ensign was banging his CoS's wife and his parents paid hush money to the mistress.  Oh, and Vitter was fucking whores while wearing a diaper.

Oh Republicans, you're so funny!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2009, 07:52:32 PM
Still waiting for Sanford to do the same.

Family values :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2009, 07:59:43 PM
Sanford keeps looking more and more fucked, due to the fact that other republicans in SC keep calling for his head.

Honestly though, I'm still baffled as to how Ensign has kept his seat.  Then there's the fact that Vitter has been nailing hookers for years in DC and Louisiana (apparently while wearing diapers) and he's probably gonna get reelected next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 08:10:01 PM
don't hate the playa :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 09:05:26 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22886841#22886841

speech time

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2009, 09:06:09 PM
the people on cnn need to shut the fuck up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 09, 2009, 09:50:42 PM
obama could say that murder is bad and the republicans would stay seated and frown in disapproval
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2009, 09:52:50 PM
But mention tort reform and they pretty much start jerking it in public.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2009, 09:56:29 PM
Obama is sending straight dagger to the heart of these republicans
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 09:57:38 PM
meh politicizing Kennedy's death agrhhhhhh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2009, 10:00:59 PM
OMG POLITICIZING THE DEATH OF A POLITICIAN WHO HAD MADE THIS ISSUE HIS LIFE'S WORK

OMG OMG OMG

stfu, you whiny wannabe centrist bitch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 10:11:28 PM
RAGE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 09, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2009, 09:57:38 PM
meh politicizing Kennedy's death agrhhhhhh

He barely politicized it, dude.  Politicizing it would be to say "hey, do it for Teddy's sake."

He used a letter Teddy wrote for him to make a point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 09, 2009, 10:13:03 PM
and now for the republican rebuttal from some birther, being given from the strom thurmond room (really)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hollywood on September 09, 2009, 10:19:25 PM
I switched it. Really, all these fucking Republicans are distinguished mentally-challenged. I'm an independent, and this is what I don't get:

Obama: "We're not going to make you change a thing, all those who currently have insurance can keep the same insurance and we'll do things to make it cheaper."

Republican asstard: "We don't think forcing you to change your insurance to a government run insurance option is the answer."

Really. What the fuck. WHERE THE FUCK DID HE SAY THAT? If you're going to straight say something he didn't say, you could at least fucknig explain why he's lying or something. Not just say bullshit that he CLEARLY pointed out he wasn't going to do.

WHY are they this stupid? WHY??? I don't get it. This is why I don't keep up with politics. It's so fucking stupid. How can you even negotiate with someone with this kind of retardedness?

It's like someone negotiating for buying a game or something and saying, "I would like $30 this game."

Then the guy buying it says "I'm not paying $60 for it, no way!"

"Um dude, I'm offering you $30 for it."

"Fuck no, no fucking way I'm paying $60!"

AHH ... no fucking wonder Obama looked pissed tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2009, 10:19:54 PM
I didn't watch. If I wanted to spend my evening listening to socialist ranting I would have watched old Fidel Castro speeches!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 09, 2009, 10:22:09 PM
I like how the reps clapped for like 5 minutes when Obama mentioned tort reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 09, 2009, 10:41:51 PM
Lovely vitriol re: illegal immigrants. Even socialism can't get Republicans angry like mentioning illegal immigration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2009, 11:04:07 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 09, 2009, 10:22:09 PM
I like how the reps clapped for like 5 minutes when Obama mentioned tort reform.
For a minute there, I thought they were just going to try and clap though the rest of the speech so nothing more would be said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2009, 11:13:10 PM
Predictably, the Freepers have turned Joe "It's a lie!" Wilson into their new Joe the Plumber/Sarah Palin/hero. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2335968/posts)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 09, 2009, 11:33:36 PM
awaiting my "detsruction"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2009, 11:35:18 PM
Look at then name of the thread starter.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 09, 2009, 11:37:13 PM
http://www.house.gov/formwilson/IMA/issue.htm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 10, 2009, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on September 09, 2009, 11:33:36 PM
awaiting my "detsruction"

Excuse to post this huge image:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://kimag.es/share/30042049.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 10, 2009, 12:32:42 AM
this is a real laugh-or-cry? moment for me, crushed, thanks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 10, 2009, 01:08:04 AM
FEEDOM DOESN'T COME FREE is the best :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 10, 2009, 01:17:00 AM
For those that don't want a huge image, want extra bonus signs, and love ARE COUNTRY:


[youtube=780,540]mVU0iXjy9zs[/youtube]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm a dog, don't make me pay your mortgage.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 10, 2009, 01:56:22 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 09, 2009, 10:41:51 PM
Lovely vitriol re: illegal immigrants. Even socialism can't get Republicans angry like mentioning illegal immigration.

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 09, 2009, 11:33:36 PM
awaiting my "detsruction"


What happened?  I always feel like I'm missing something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2009, 02:47:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 10, 2009, 01:56:22 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 09, 2009, 10:41:51 PM
Lovely vitriol re: illegal immigrants. Even socialism can't get Republicans angry like mentioning illegal immigration.

Quote from: Professor Prole on September 09, 2009, 11:33:36 PM
awaiting my "detsruction"


What happened?  I always feel like I'm missing something.

I'm guessing AV is talking about the GOP congresscritter that shouted out "that's a lie!" when Obama said reform wouldn't cover illegals, and Prole is talking about a choice comment from the Freeper link I posted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on September 10, 2009, 02:57:44 AM
crushed, that's awesome. I forwarded it to my parents.  :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 10, 2009, 03:27:38 AM
Yeah, that's pretty embarrassing, Crushed.  The Russian in that Hitler/Obama/Lenin poster is completely nonsensical.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 10, 2009, 04:49:53 AM
Wait, I'm going to be required to pay for insurance like how you have to pay for car insurance?  That's one of the reasons I don't own a car!  If my workplace is required to have an option for me I guess that's cool.  Come to think of it, what type of individual would be required to pay for insurance on their own if they have a job?

I'm confused and must've missed something so someone educate me here.

edit:  Hardship waivers? 95% of businesses are exempt? Ugh, I don't know what to make of this.  I'm not wanting for much but that's because I live a low maintenance life style.  I hope they're not talking about a few hundred dollars every month or something.

edit 2 because I'm too impatient to listen to it all in one sitting: Oh, a public option LIVES, good show Obama, good show.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 10, 2009, 05:11:00 AM
Health insurance, when it works, transfers money from the young and healthy to the old and sick.  That's the point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 10, 2009, 05:18:59 AM
Well I'm still not done with the speech yet, but he handily resolved some of my knee jerk reactions.  I'm just glad that the public option is still being so adamantly defended so as to have insurance companies being forced to compete. I'm all for higher taxes for better safety nets so I can live with this alternative too.

edit: Who are these grimace faced folks the camera keeps panning to?
"What Bill?"
?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on September 10, 2009, 12:47:36 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 10, 2009, 03:27:38 AM
Yeah, that's pretty embarrassing, Crushed.  The Russian in that Hitler/Obama/Lenin poster is completely nonsensical.

Cyrillic typefaces in American politics: don't actually look up the letters, just do the ones that kinda look like ours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
Quote
ABC News is reporting that President Obama has summoned 17 members of the Senate Democratic caucus--most of whom have expressed some degree of skepticism over President Obama's health care plan--to the White House for a meeting late this afternoon.

The members are: Sens. Mark Pryor (D-AR), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Mark Warner (D-VA), Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Evan Bayh (D-IN), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Tom Carper (D-DE), Arlen Specter (D-PA), Mark Begich (D-AK), Mark Udall (D-CO), Michael Bennet (D-CO), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Kay Hagan (D-NC), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Joe Lieberman (I-CT).

We'll be on the lookout for developments.

[youtube=560,345]6KrkCfn-zxs[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2009, 01:39:23 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 10, 2009, 02:47:08 AM
I'm guessing AV is talking about the GOP congresscritter that shouted out "that's a lie!" when Obama said reform wouldn't cover illegals, and Prole is talking about a choice comment from the Freeper link I posted.

I can never see links on this forum!  Rage!  And blech, didn't realize that the heckling came during a mention of immigration.  Not surprised at all, though.



http://www.joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 11, 2009, 01:43:49 AM
"I thought the speech was partisan, uninformative, disingenuous and not likely to encourage those who have honest disagreements with him to be able to work toward some kind of common solution," said Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Arizona.

Kyl complained that Obama had made it tougher to reach common ground by constantly referring to opponents' "unyielding ideological" arguments and "bogus claims."

"Nobody can have a disagreement with him based upon a valid difference of opinion," Kyl said. "It's always the other -- the motive of the other individual is a bogus motive."

Kyl also took issue with Obama's claim that people will have the option of keeping their current coverage if they like it.

"It's not true under the bills. Even if you like your insurance, there's a good chance you won't be able to keep it," Kyl claimed.

 :spin :spin :spin :spin :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2009, 01:48:41 AM
Kyl is so full of shit I can smell him here in NC.  He was the odious scumfucker that gave a speech on the Senate floor earlier this year saying that the solution to health care was to lessen regulations on the insurers- that was the only thing that needed to be done!  So when you talk about someone with dumb, "unyielding ideological arguments" you're talking about... John fucking Kyl.  Fuck off you piece of shit.  Ugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2009, 01:51:22 AM
I mostly know Kyl as Lieberman's partner in the effort to get us into a war with Iran.

Still, when it comes to right-wing trolling and self-pity, you gotta look to the master.

Quote from: Sarah Palin
Finally, President Obama delivered an offhand applause line tonight about the cost of the War on Terror. As we approach the anniversary of the September 11th attacks and honor those who died that day and those who have died since in the War on Terror, in order to secure our freedoms, we need to remember their sacrifices and not demonize them as having had too high a price tag.

Obama wasn't just being partisan and uninformative, he was demonizing the victims of 9/11!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 11, 2009, 01:52:58 AM
I just like how - in the same interview no less - he objects to the President referring to reform opponents' arguments as bogus claims, only to then go and make a bogus claim. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 11, 2009, 01:55:28 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 11, 2009, 01:51:22 AM
Still, when it comes to right-wing trolling and self-pity, you gotta look to the master.

Quote from: Sarah Palin
Finally, President Obama delivered an offhand applause line tonight about the cost of the War on Terror. As we approach the anniversary of the September 11th attacks and honor those who died that day and those who have died since in the War on Terror, in order to secure our freedoms, we need to remember their sacrifices and not demonize them as having had too high a price tag.

Obama wasn't just being partisan and uninformative, he was demonizing the victims of 9/11!

He is a jerk, that President.

I wonder if this will be the start of a shift in how we treat the President in terms of etiquette, or looked backed on as a bitter, defeated political party acting out of line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2009, 01:56:01 AM
Speaking of Joe "with us on everything but the war... and campaigning for the other party's Presidential candidate..." Lieberman, looks like CT labor has finally woken up. (http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/three_years_ago_1.php)

^^^^^^ HELPFUL HINT FOR MANDARK- THAT'S A LINK! ^^^^^^ ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2009, 02:35:40 AM
Quote from: Willco on September 11, 2009, 01:52:58 AM
I just like how - in the same interview no less - he objects to the President referring to reform opponents' arguments as bogus claims, only to then go and make a bogus claim. :lol

Almost the entire Congressional GOP has decided it's good strategy to tell outright lies and accuse the other guys of being dishonest when you get called on it.   It makes sense.  They very rarely suffer real consequences from it, like being labeled as untrustworthy or uninvited from news programs.

They're not even trying to convince people, necessarily.  It's all just FUD, designed to make people confused, frustrated, or disinterested enough that they don't care about the results either way.  When people are jaded about politics, it becomes a lot easier to defend the status quo on issues like healthcare.



Triumph:  I was just thinking about Lieberman.  During the campaign against Lamont, a lot of Democrats defended him as being a solid liberal on domestic policy.  That's looking real funny now.  I really hope he gets knocked off the second time around, like Al Wynn was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2009, 03:22:02 AM
Nothing wrong with differences of opinion and political sparring/whatever it's called. But there's a difference between disagreeing with someone and blatantly telling lies, which is what the GOP is doing. Wanna complain about the cost, how Obama will pay for it, alleged dangers of the public option, etc...go ahead, make your argument. But when you say the bill includes NAZI STYLE DEATH PANELS don't act shocked when someone calls you a liar.

Like McCain earlier today when he claimed Obama lied about people being able to keep their health care if they like it. McCain: bububu if your employer switches to the public option that means you don't get to keep your old health care :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 11, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
Quote
Cyrillic typefaces in American politics: don't actually look up the letters, just do the ones that kinda look like ours.

no see the joke was supposed to be that there were all these other glaring mistakes but I ignored those and only mentioned the one that's a common device used in typography and ... sigh never mind  :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 11, 2009, 08:06:02 PM
L-O-fuckin L. (http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1219-Joe-Wilson-Voted-to-Provide-Taxpayer-Money-for-Illegal-Immigrants-Healthcare)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 12, 2009, 09:32:33 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 11, 2009, 08:06:02 PM
L-O-fuckin L. (http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1219-Joe-Wilson-Voted-to-Provide-Taxpayer-Money-for-Illegal-Immigrants-Healthcare)

He has some nice nipples showing in the picture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2009, 02:07:25 PM
Bank of Barock = US going baroke :rofl

THIS IS AMERICA AND OUR ONLY LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH :rofl :rofl :rofl

HOLY SHIT!!!

This is the best one:

"Village of Crestwood:

ENGLISH IS OUR LANGUAGE NO EXCETIONS LEARN IT

Mayor Chester Stranczek"

THe fact that exceptions is spelled wrong isn't what killed me. What has me rolling in laughter is the mayor's NAME. That's a not an American last name,  poncho! Did your ancestors know English, Chester?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2009, 02:27:07 PM
I take it you're watching coverage of the "Glenn Beck Scared White People March" Himu?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2009, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 12, 2009, 02:27:07 PM
I take it you're watching coverage of the "Glenn Beck Scared White People March" Himu?

Naw buddy

http://kimag.es/share/30042049.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
:lol

Oh Republicans, why must you be so comically stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 12, 2009, 06:12:12 PM
The New Scientist has fun visualizing healthcare data (http://www.newscientist.com/articlevideo/dn17512/30583310001-the-scientific-arguments-for-us-healthcare-reform.html).  What'd they find?  The US spends a lot more than other countries but doesn't get comparably better care, and there are big local/regional differences in treatment decisions.  Surprise!

Also, they have a neat interactive graph gadget you can play around with here (http://www.newscientist.com/embedded/dn17512-health-data-graph).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2009, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 12, 2009, 02:27:07 PM
I take it you're watching coverage of the "Glenn Beck Scared White People March" Himu?

I like Maher's name for it better: THE MILLION MORON MARCH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
It's too bad the local DC residents don't come down and make some people check their racism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2yjrdcn.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 12, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
rabble rabble rabble I'm simple minded and cannot fathom people having a different opinion so instead I will just call them racist. rabble rabble rabble.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 12, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
I don't get it, why are you calling us racist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2009, 11:14:42 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on September 12, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
rabble rabble rabble I'm simple minded and cannot fathom people having a different opinion so instead I will just call them racist. rabble rabble rabble.
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 12, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 12, 2009, 07:09:55 PM
It's too bad the local DC residents don't come down and make some people check their racism.

It's rainy and I'm tired.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 12, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
[youtube=560,345]s1Ntu7Aapys[/youtube]

Poor woman. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2009, 12:06:34 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on September 12, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
rabble rabble rabble I'm simple minded and cannot fathom people having a different opinion so instead I will just call them racist. rabble rabble rabble.

rabble rabble rabble you're welcome to your own opinion but not your own facts. rabble rabble rabble douche.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2009, 12:14:50 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on September 12, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
rabble rabble rabble I'm simple minded and cannot fathom people having a different opinion so instead I will just call them racist. rabble rabble rabble.

Yeah, cause those people seem to have arrived at their deductions based on logic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 13, 2009, 12:50:29 AM
Let's be fair to FoC.  We were calling him racist way before he applied to the Ron Paul personality cult.

When it comes to being disturbed by melanin, he was ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2009, 12:58:13 PM
(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/racist_tea_party.jpg)
 :borys
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 13, 2009, 01:00:43 PM
calling a spade a spade, not racist :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2009, 02:12:12 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
:bow
Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 12, 2009, 07:38:48 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2yjrdcn.jpg)
:bow2

 :american

So your point is that you continue to be an assburger sociopathic 'tard? Please guide me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 13, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
(http://i32.tinypic.com/wkpnpf.jpg)

uh i guess this is technically true???


anyway, time for a NOT RACIST cavalcade:

(http://i31.tinypic.com/293wxp5.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/dgrqch.jpg)
(http://i27.tinypic.com/2mhfsep.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2nsqblw.jpg)
(http://i26.tinypic.com/24g0jrt.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/33uubmr.jpg)
(http://i25.tinypic.com/wurvqv.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/35jxvsm.jpg)
(http://i30.tinypic.com/20qghed.jpg)
(http://kimag.es/share/8428599.jpg)
(http://i32.tinypic.com/29nh5yt.jpg)
(http://i25.tinypic.com/r9rebb.jpg)
(http://i25.tinypic.com/23u5u09.jpg)
(http://i26.tinypic.com/2ldg5et.jpg)



now for just general dumbassery from the 9/12 events:

(http://i27.tinypic.com/2h58uoz.jpg)
(http://i27.tinypic.com/10ynwir.jpg)
(http://i28.tinypic.com/2i8u5hh.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3913628356_92f195afc7_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3424/3912839153_cdd4baa088_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/3912800967_ae7ac1c313.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2519/3912798841_8921befaaf_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3912796245_46989531ce.jpg)


http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/
http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z225/presto668/TeaParty/


:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 13, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
that girl holding the nazi pelosi sign is cute  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2009, 11:43:37 PM
Rick Santorum is asking for your prayers re: running for Pres in 2012. (http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09091202.html)

You sure have mine, Senator Crazy.  You could win Iowa and South Carolina with ease, and then it's off to the races in crazy town with you as the presumptive nominee.  Obama might get 60% of the vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2009, 11:51:55 PM
Well he certainly has the wrap sheet to impress the tea baggers. I wonder what they think about Catholics though  :-\

speaking of which, Palin could really turn the primaries into the ultimate troll fest assuming Romney (mormon), Santorum (Mary worshiper), and Jindal (moslem) run  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2009, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2009, 10:45:51 PM
I'm presuming the point of posting that was because he found it offensive; I suppose my point was that it was fuck awesome.

It occurs to me that you're celebrating his death because of his views on economic and social justice, views I mostly share.

I do hope you're not praying for my death, JD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on September 14, 2009, 01:46:39 AM
Can we please ship the birthers to Kenya since they are so obsessed with that country?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 14, 2009, 12:03:26 PM
You really are a cunt and a half.  "Taxachusetts"  :lol  Get fucked man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2009, 12:06:37 PM
Who are you to deny the man the sweat of his brow, BrandNew?  JayDubya EARNED that cunt and a half, and you want to give that half a cunt away to someone who is lazy and didn't want to work for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on September 14, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3912799249_8c7ca5c87f.jpg)

heh wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 14, 2009, 12:18:28 PM
I admit, I lol'd at Taxachusetts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 14, 2009, 03:05:54 PM
[youtube=560,345]0Q7XH8lfGMc[/youtube]

in this video we watch a mob scream "i don't want good things, hurt me so rich people make money"

[youtube=560,345]kOPsla-MyLk[/youtube]

a guy tries to chase a bunch of distinguished bla ACORN OPERATIVES out of here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 14, 2009, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: Crushed on September 14, 2009, 03:05:54 PM
a guy tries to chase a bunch of distinguished bla ACORN OPERATIVES out of here

:punch ACONE! ACONE! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 14, 2009, 04:13:26 PM
It still amazes me how these peopl are manipulated to think that a public action group that's sustained by their own sons and daughters could be evil, that it is a bad thing to be offered lower premiums at the expense of an insurance companies bottom line, or that Obama is the first President to use a teleprompter. Some old man in a think tank snaps his fingers and these people snatch up the talking points and just run with them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 14, 2009, 04:35:45 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 14, 2009, 04:13:26 PM
It still amazes me how these peopl are manipulated to think that a public action group that's sustained by their own sons and daughters could be evil, that it is a bad thing to be offered lower premiums at the expense of an insurance companies bottom line, or that Obama is the first President to use a teleprompter. Some old man in a think tank snaps his fingers and these people snatch up the talking points and just run with them.

What are you, the Apologist Czar? :smug
Title: Re: What I also "celebrate" is a protester that can spell! SMH
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on September 14, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 14, 2009, 08:04:39 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 14, 2009, 12:14:22 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2009, 10:45:51 PM
I'm presuming the point of posting that was because he found it offensive; I suppose my point was that it was fuck awesome.

It occurs to me that you're celebrating his death because of his views on economic and social justice, views I mostly share.

I do hope you're not praying for my death, JD.

What I celebrate, pausingly, is the end of the career of a horrible human being, through and through, and if Obama et. al are so keen to tie their project to him, then I would like to see it die as he did.  aa

Of course, any gains from his demise would be short lived, as Taxachusetts will no doubt replace a Kennedy with a Kennedy or an ideological clone placeholder, though perhaps not one that avoided certain prison with de facto royalty status.

If you identify with every cause or position this man took, then I am certainly glad you are not a representative in our legislature.  Regardless, Mandark, you need not worry - I don't pray. 

Wow buddy.  So your mind has resorted to this line of thinking? He was horrible, huh? 

 horrible things:

atom bombs
Plagues
Famine
Homicidal Sociopaths
The sun going supernova
Proton decay in the long run
Dying
Flesh Eatin Bacteria

things that are annoying/aggravating:

Politicians I don't personally agree with


And you can argue its semantical, but if you resort to calling people horrible you'd be surprised how your subconscious brain interprets that.  So you end up wishing people would die.
 :-\
Title: Re: What I also "celebrate" is a protester that can spell! SMH
Post by: M3wThr33 on September 14, 2009, 09:54:38 PM
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on September 14, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
Wow buddy.  So your mind has resorted to this line of thinking? He was horrible, huh? 

 horrible things:

atom bombs
Plagues
Famine
Homicidal Sociopaths
The sun going supernova
Proton decay in the long run
Dying
Flesh Eatin Bacteria
Black Presidents

things that are annoying/aggravating:

Politicians I don't personally agree with


And you can argue its semantical, but if you resort to calling people horrible you'd be surprised how your subconscious brain interprets that.  So you end up wishing people would die.
 :-\


Fixed that for the people protesting a few posts up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 15, 2009, 10:44:21 AM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on September 13, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
that girl holding the nazi pelosi sign is cute  :-*

I agree... why are the politically active cute girls usually Republicans ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 15, 2009, 11:13:22 AM
So anyway I was checking out the headlines on iGoogle this morning at work:

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb244/Tristam222/foxnewslol.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 15, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
Just saw this.

http://www.billionairesforwealthcare.com/

More:
[youtube=560,345]jHVwrCzRUX0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2009, 04:44:12 PM
Quote
Rick Santorum affirmed on an RNC conference call -- aimed at attacking Arlen Specter -- that he's considering a run for president in 2012 -- because, he said, the Obama presidency is "injurious to America."

"The dynamic has changed," Santorum said. "A lot of folks who might not have thought about running against an incumbent president" are now considering it.

He cited Obama's lower poll numbers and his failure to "transform" and unify the country.

"A lot of people are going to take a look and see wht they can do to try to confront this presidency, which many of us -- as you're seeing from the tea parties and the like -- which many of us believe is injurious to America," Santorum said, saying the 2012 race is "something that I think I would consider."

Santorum also elaborated on his opposition to the use of reconciliation to pass health care legislation; the parliamentary procedure was used, with his support, in the Bush years to pass the controversial 2003 tax cuts and a range of other measures, including opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling.

Santorum called ANWR drilling "fairly minor" in its impact on the land and on the economy

"You're talking about drilling holes, as opposed to rejiggering and reconstructing the entire health care system of this country," the former Pennsylvania senator said.

"A tax bill is by definition a revenue bill - it affects the budget. That's what reconciliation is for," he said.
"This is a major policy initiative in an area that goes beyond the federal government's balance sheets -- that to me makes it an abomination."

He warned that the procedure would turn the bill into a "Rube Goldberg machine."

UPDATE: A Democrat notes that Santorum didn't always consider ANWR a minor matter of a few holes: “I believe that ANWR has the potential to play a significant role in reducing our dependence on foreign oil, and I support exploring this area in a safe and environmentally sound way," he wrote in 2006.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Santorum_may_challenge_injurious_Obama.html

[youtube=560,345]_Xm1XErUvXo[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 15, 2009, 05:07:21 PM
Quote
He cited Obama's lower poll numbers and his failure to "transform" and unify the country.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Pete Stark: I Won't Pee On Angry Constituent's Leg
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/pete-stark-i-wont-pee-on-angry-constituents-leg.php?ref=fpb

 :lol
(in first 1:50min)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 15, 2009, 08:53:19 PM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/019954.php

Quote
9/12 CROWD ESTIMATES JUMP THE SHARK.... The "debate" over the size of the crowd for the right-wing protests in D.C. on Saturday have been painful to watch the last few days. Absurd claims and bogus photographs abound. This morning, Glenn Beck said a "university" put the number at 1.7 million, but he couldn't remember which one.

All of this has been embarrassing for a few days now, but the story didn't become farcical until today.

Quote
    Yesterday on his radio program, while discussing the crowds at this weekend's 9/12 protests, Glenn Beck claimed that the London Telegraph "quote[d] a source from the Park Service, the National Park Service, saying that it is the largest march on Washington ever." This led to a good deal of confusion here, as the Telegraph article contains no such quote. Just another case of Beck making things up? Actually, the story behind this turns out to be much funnier than we could have anticipated.

    Several conservative blogs have been quoting National Park Service spokesman "Dan Bana" as saying the 9/12 protest was "the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever." This appears to be a repurposing of this quote from David Barna (who, unlike Dan Bana, appears to be a real person):

    "David Barna, a Park Service spokesman, said the agency did not conduct its own count. Instead, it will use a Washington Post account that said 1.8 million people gathered on the US Capitol grounds, National Mall, and parade route. 'It is a record,' Barna said. 'We believe it is the largest event held in Washington, D.C., ever.'"

There are an astounding number of conservative bloggers running with this today, all of whom are telling their readers that Saturday's protest was the largest in D.C. history. (My personal favorite was the one mocking "Democrats and their media acolytes" who refuse to believe it.)

The problem, of course, is that the quote conservatives are so excited about referenced the Obama inauguration. The article that generated all of this right-wing excitement has a headline that reads, "Inaugural crowd size reportedly D.C. record." The very first sentence in the article that the conservative bloggers relied on reads, "The National Park Service says it will rely on a media report that says 1.8 million people attended President Obama's inauguration."

Charles Johnson, himself a conservative blogger at Little Green Footballs, finds the right's approach to this rather depressing. "This is so pathetic I don't know whether to laugh or cry," he said, adding, "An epic, monumental fail."


ahahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 15, 2009, 09:09:03 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2009, 09:49:36 PM
Leno has Michael Moore on tonight.

FAT FAT FAT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 16, 2009, 12:59:30 AM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/3912800967_ae7ac1c313.jpg)
 :omg So on top of his not being an American, we now know his birthplace is not even the real Kenya

Wheels within wheels ...   :ninja
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 16, 2009, 02:34:26 AM
The mainstream appropriation of 'fail' and 'win' is starting to get on my tits. The above example is particularly grating; it should of course be 'An epic monumental failure'

still - nice find, Crushed. It's amazing how Chinese whispers bullshit like that can still happen in an age when everyone has instant access to the original stories. There's no excuse for not checking your facts and sources anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2009, 10:10:38 AM
Who needs facts when you have faith. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 16, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
Carter getting blasted for saying what we were all thinking. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on September 16, 2009, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Willco on September 16, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
Carter getting blasted for saying what we were all thinking. :lol

Where?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/limbaugh-in-obamas-america-black-students-cheer-beatings-of-white-classmates.php?ref=mp

If that's not race bating what is
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 16, 2009, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 16, 2009, 04:15:36 PM
Quote from: Willco on September 16, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
Carter getting blasted for saying what we were all thinking. :lol

Where?

Been all over the mainstream for most of the day, dude. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258311.stm)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 16, 2009, 06:00:15 PM
I think Carter is probably wrong in specifically calling out Wilson as a racist (if he did in fact do this -- I can't find text of his full comments anywhere and I can't watch video at work), but it should be pretty fucking clear to everyone that it was very much present at the 9/12 crazyfuck rally.  The media seems to be more keen on focusing on the former.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 16, 2009, 06:10:54 PM
Wilson was a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, thinking him racist isn't that hard of a stretch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 16, 2009, 06:21:48 PM
Oh god, Wilson was the doofus who criticized Strom Thurmond's secret black daughter for revealing herself?  Nevermind.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on September 16, 2009, 06:21:48 PM
Oh god, Wilson was the doofus who criticized Strom Thurmond's secret black daughter for revealing herself?  Nevermind.  :lol

He specifically said Thurmond "sullied" his good name because of the kid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 16, 2009, 08:16:41 PM
I enjoyed this article:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/index.html

I think it is a pretty good article explaining why Glenn Beck thinks the way he does.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 16, 2009, 09:47:13 PM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/6yl6x4.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
:lol Obama's such a dork. 

Ta-Nehisi Coates over at the Atlantic had a pretty astute blog entry on all of the the white rage at Obama earlier today: (http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/09/flip_and_pop_my_collar_like_the_fonz.php)

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Barack Obama, bourgeois in every way that bourgeois is right and just, will not dance. He tells kids to study--and they seethe. He accepts an apology for an immature act of rudeness--and they go hysterical. He takes his wife out for a date--and their veins bulge. His humanity, his ordinary blackness, is killing them. Dig the audio of his response to Kanye West--the way he says, "He's a jackass." He sounds like one of my brothers. And that's the point, because that's what he is. Barack Obama refuses to be their distinguished black fellow. And it's driving them crazy.

It's about time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 16, 2009, 10:54:25 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on September 16, 2009, 09:47:13 PM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/6yl6x4.jpg)

That is the best gawdamned picture of a president ever. :rock  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 16, 2009, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on September 16, 2009, 09:47:13 PM
(http://i29.tinypic.com/6yl6x4.jpg)

OMG it Dark Vader!!!!


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2009, 11:09:55 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 16, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
:lol Obama's such a dork. 

Ta-Nehisi Coates over at the Atlantic had a pretty astute blog entry on all of the the white rage at Obama earlier today: (http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/09/flip_and_pop_my_collar_like_the_fonz.php)

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Barack Obama, bourgeois in every way that bourgeois is right and just, will not dance. He tells kids to study--and they seethe. He accepts an apology for an immature act of rudeness--and they go hysterical. He takes his wife out for a date--and their veins bulge. His humanity, his ordinary blackness, is killing them. Dig the audio of his response to Kanye West--the way he says, "He's a jackass." He sounds like one of my brothers. And that's the point, because that's what he is. Barack Obama refuses to be their distinguished black fellow. And it's driving them crazy.

It's about time.

Saw this earlier. Truth bomb total. Obama acts like...a normal middle aged dude. Like my dad or some shit. And Michelle acts like...a normal middled aged lady. And she clearly wears the pants
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 16, 2009, 11:10:53 PM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/The-Truth-About-Czars/

jesus christ it's come to this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2009, 11:14:04 PM
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/2719/slide_2719_38076_large.jpg)
Obama  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 16, 2009, 11:35:10 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 16, 2009, 10:53:11 PM
:lol Obama's such a dork. 

Ta-Nehisi Coates over at the Atlantic had a pretty astute blog entry on all of the the white rage at Obama earlier today: (http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/09/flip_and_pop_my_collar_like_the_fonz.php)

Quote
Barack Obama, bourgeois in every way that bourgeois is right and just, will not dance. He tells kids to study--and they seethe. He accepts an apology for an immature act of rudeness--and they go hysterical. He takes his wife out for a date--and their veins bulge. His humanity, his ordinary blackness, is killing them. Dig the audio of his response to Kanye West--the way he says, "He's a jackass." He sounds like one of my brothers. And that's the point, because that's what he is. Barack Obama refuses to be their distinguished black fellow. And it's driving them crazy.

It's about time.

Impotent rage is definitely less seemly than righteous rage, and creating a fiction that pretends your anger is truly righteous might give you traction among likeminded people, but it's also leaving everyone else just scratching there head. Maybe some of the more intelligent (and cynical) among them realize that if they kick up enough smoke there are some out there that will believe there's actually fire.

It's just all so silly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2009, 11:40:01 PM
Obama. He's just this guy, you know?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2009, 11:58:12 PM
I want my white privileges back.

Socialism is a conservative/libertarian code word for millionaires make less money. Poor them.
Communism is code for common sense which they know their loyal idiots will use to vote against their own self interests.
It's worked for 200+ years. Do you expect them to change? They are called conservatives for a reason.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 17, 2009, 01:08:43 AM
socialism is a codeword for "the terrifying other" which can include both eastern europeans and black folks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 17, 2009, 01:10:22 AM
Also jewz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2009, 02:36:32 AM
I'm pretty sure that CZAR MADNESS is the new hottness.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2009, 02:43:56 AM
I don't have cable so I dunno if any "journalists" have asked these clowns why they didn't object to Bush's czars, or HW's, or Reagan's, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2009, 02:53:09 AM
What power do they have again

oh wait
Title: Re: What I also "celebrate" is a protester that can spell! SMH
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2009, 03:25:11 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 14, 2009, 08:04:39 AM
What I celebrate, pausingly, is the end of the career of a horrible human being, through and through, and if Obama et. al are so keen to tie their project to him, then I would like to see it die as he did.

I think this is pretty telling.

JD's political beliefs are usually pretty consistent.  Everything flows from the single axiom of absolute individual rights (including property rights) that exist independently of human society.  So you get positions that could normally be called "left" or "right".

But it's pretty obvious where his passions are.  The strongest language and the most emotional outbursts are generally reserved for people who used the power of the state for left-liberal ideas of social and economic justice: spending money to aid the poor, elderly, sick, marginalized, etc.  Those are the "horrible human beings".

Sure, he'll denounce corporate welfare, statist racism, and warfare if you prompt him.  But compared to his tirades against the Kennedys of the world, it's perfunctory.  When he makes exceptions, it's usually in one direction.  Presumably the humanity of DC's residents entitle them to the natural right to vote, but it's not something he wants to see delivered.  Ditto illegal immigrants, for whom deportation is apparently just a minor nuisance.

Contrast Kennedy's death, which JD's gleeful about, with Pinochet's.  He didn't endorse the guy, but felt it was important to say that he was better than other, socialist rulers, and to muse about the counterfactual.  "What if Allende had declared himself a dictator?  Guess we'll never know..."





re:  Taxachussets, seven time winner of the nation's Annual Worst Portmanteau Contest.

The state has a lower tax burden than the US average, as a percentage of per capita income.  The main source of revenue is a flat income tax.

You can find the links for yourselves.  I've decided to spend my time more productively, raising funds to sponsor week-long field trips to Earth for underprivileged libertarian children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 17, 2009, 03:46:41 AM
... to Earth? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2009, 03:56:44 AM
Quote
A Long Island Jewish newspaper reports that a prominent religious leader chided White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in a speech last Tuesday at a local synagogue.

“They all say he’s a foul-mouthed person and as a Jew, a menuval [a disgusting person]," Orthodox Union President Stephen Savitsky said, according to The Jewish Star. "I find it offensive. He’s a mishneh l’melech [advisor to a king], the language he uses… I think it’s very unbecoming as a Jewish person.”

Savitsky said, via email, that he had been misquoted, and that he did not use the term "menuvel."

His actual quote, he said, was less biting, though still disapproving: "It has been broadly reported in the media that Emanuel uses foul words and, from a religious Jewish point of view, that is unbecoming for anyone, let alone an adviser to the president (mishneh l'melech)," Savitsky said he told the audience.

By his account, "there were questions about Rahm Emanuel and in the course of the discussion, [Savitsky] was asked whether Emanuel is a 'self hating Jew' and [he] rebutted that charge flatly." He mentioned that his group was welcomed "graciously" at the White House yesterday.

The Jewish Star's publisher and editor-in-chief, Mayer Fertig, said he paper "absolutely" stands by the quote, and added that Savitsky had asked before publication that it be omitted, but not disputed its accuracy.

Emanuel, in any case, has not shown any embarassment about his language, which is famous to the point of caricature. He reportedly keeps in his office a nameplate reading, "Undersecretary for Go F*** Yourself.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Jewish_leader_rebukes_Rahm_on_language.html

 :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 17, 2009, 04:11:24 AM
"Do you see this nameplate?"
"... Yeah."
"What does it say?"
"..."
"What does it say, Larry?!"
"Undersecretary of Go Fuck Yourself."
"That's right, so you better get to it."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 17, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/)

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Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

Protesters who attended Saturday’s Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady called for a government investigation into whether the government-run subway system adequately prepared for this weekend’s rally to protest government spending and government services.

Seriously.

The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington’s Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

Brady says in his letter to Metro that overcrowding forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs. He concludes that it “appears that Metro added no additional capacity to its regular weekend schedule.”

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 17, 2009, 09:45:10 AM
Quote from: T EXP on September 16, 2009, 08:16:41 PM
I enjoyed this article:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/index.html

I think it is a pretty good article explaining why Glenn Beck thinks the way he does.


Just finished reading the article.  That Beck gushes so much over those Skousen books make alot of sense. My wife has an insane uncle who never leaves me alone every time I go with her to see her family ( I try not to cause trouble with her family so I leave my opinions to myself).  He brings me all kinds of literature to read; the kind of stuff that only an insane person could believe in.  One of those books that he had was a Skousen book "The Naked Communist". He told me all about the intellectuals arming the Soviets with uranium and all that other bullshit.  Now I wish I had actually read it.....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 17, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 17, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/)

Quote
Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

Protesters who attended Saturday’s Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady called for a government investigation into whether the government-run subway system adequately prepared for this weekend’s rally to protest government spending and government services.

Seriously.

The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington’s Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

Brady says in his letter to Metro that overcrowding forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs. He concludes that it “appears that Metro added no additional capacity to its regular weekend schedule.”

:rofl

 :rofl

There are no words. Only  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 17, 2009, 10:50:06 AM
That is pretty funny. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 17, 2009, 12:26:39 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 17, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/)
As if any doubt remained that teabaggers are anything more than parody
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 17, 2009, 12:51:23 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/10-lessons-for-tea-baggers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2009, 02:52:38 PM
The Republican CT Senate primary for 2010 just got a whooooole lot more crazy.

First, wife of WWE owner Vince McMahon Linda McMahon announced her candidacy yesterday. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0909/Linda_McMahons_ad_blitz.html?showall)

Then today on Morning Joke noted glibertarian financial analyst Peter Schiff, who was right in predicting a lot of the financial disastrophe but wrong for the reasons, announced his candidacy. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/0909/Peter_Schiff_launches_campaign_against_Dodd.html?showall)

I wonder who Chris Dodd would rather face- a circus sideshow lunatic like McMahon, a glibertarian idiot like Schiff or your average former Republican Congressman like Rob Simmons.  Sadly he's likely to lose against any of them so I'm kind of flipping a coin between Linda and Schiff, just for the entertainment value either would afford.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on September 17, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 17, 2009, 08:35:31 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/ (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/09/16/tea-party-protesters-protest-dc-metro-service/)

Quote
Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

Protesters who attended Saturday’s Tea Party rally in Washington found a new reason to be upset: Apparently they are unhappy with the level of service provided by the subway system.

Rep. Kevin Brady called for a government investigation into whether the government-run subway system adequately prepared for this weekend’s rally to protest government spending and government services.

Seriously.

The Texas Republican on Wednesday released a letter he sent to Washington’s Metro system complaining that the taxpayer-funded subway system was unable to properly transport protesters to the rally to protest government spending and expansion.

“These individuals came all the way from Southeast Texas to protest the excessive spending and growing government intrusion by the 111th Congress and the new Obama administration,” Brady wrote. “These participants, whose tax dollars were used to create and maintain this public transit system, were frustrated and disappointed that our nation’s capital did not make a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit for them.”

A spokesman for Brady says that “there weren’t enough cars and there weren’t enough trains.” Brady tweeted as much from the Saturday march. “METRO did not prepare for Tea Party March! More stories. People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro,” he wrote on Twitter.

Brady says in his letter to Metro that overcrowding forced an 80-year-old woman and elderly veterans in wheelchairs to pay for cabs. He concludes that it “appears that Metro added no additional capacity to its regular weekend schedule.”

:rofl


I came in here to post this. :rofl


Instead, have this:

(http://i29.tinypic.com/263zfb8.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 17, 2009, 04:35:20 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/0917_foxbaucus.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 17, 2009, 07:39:26 PM
Seems Bill O's lost it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/17/oreilly-public-option/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 17, 2009, 07:48:02 PM
Democrats should take advantage of this brief upswing in confidence to do a full court press of the public option.  No pussy co-op "alternative."  Get that shit passed finally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
I kind of wish that Obama had the balls to let them actually stand up in the Senate and filibuster it- read Roberts Rules of Order and the phone book, have them sleeping on cots to go and keep stopping progress in shifts and such.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Don Flamenco on September 17, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
saw a guy with an Obama poster with a hitler 'stache in front of DePaul today.   ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 18, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83tnWFojtcY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on September 18, 2009, 03:14:48 PM
Looks like The Kids in the Hall were doing Glenn Beck 20 years before Glenn Beck was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 18, 2009, 05:13:53 PM
I was laughing at this uncontrollably and I don't know why:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqMfMCwKqpc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on September 18, 2009, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 18, 2009, 05:13:53 PM
I was laughing at this uncontrollably and I don't know why:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqMfMCwKqpc[/youtube]

Those are some awesome talks. Sounds like the shit I'd hear out of a convalescent home.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 18, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
By the way, I do think linking czars to communism in the USSR has merit.  The period in which Russia had a czar directly preceded -- and, one could argue, was a major factor in precipitating -- their later adoption of communism.  Since we now have 32 czars, it's not irrational to fear that we may be en route to adopting 32 times the communism of the USSR.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: huckleberry on September 18, 2009, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 18, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
By the way, I do think linking czars to communism in the USSR has merit.  The period in which Russia had a czar directly preceded -- and, one could argue, was a major factor in precipitating -- their later adoption of communism.  Since we now have 32 czars, it's not irrational to fear that we may be en route to adopting 32 times the communism of the USSR.


 :lol



hold on



 
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 19, 2009, 05:05:15 PM
WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW

Today at the "Values Voters Summit" MO Rep. and 2010 Senate candidate Roy Blunt had a pretty incredible macaca moment where he compared Obama to a monkey.

[youtube=560,345]fwA8_TA-0Rg[/youtube]

But they're totes not racists or anything!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2009, 05:50:38 PM
Where exactly does he compare Obama to a monkey?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 19, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
[youtube=560,345]uH8owcMHc34[/youtube]

:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 19, 2009, 06:19:06 PM
:lol

One of the ticker items read: "Michael Bay embarks on new project solely to piss off New York Times film critic, A.O. Scott" :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2009, 11:01:15 PM
[youtube=560,345]xdVzDjYpDLs[/youtube]

Holy fuck I'm shocked. SMH x 100  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 20, 2009, 12:44:05 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 17, 2009, 08:02:44 PM
I kind of wish that Obama had the balls to let them actually stand up in the Senate and filibuster it- read Roberts Rules of Order and the phone book, have them sleeping on cots to go and keep stopping progress in shifts and such.

Not sure where I read this, but during the stimulus fight it was reported that Reid (I think) had looked into the parliamentary rules and there's no feasible way to do this.

Senate am wannabe House of Lords failure total.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 20, 2009, 01:15:31 AM
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/18/gal.tea.party.222.jpg)

Sick burn from CNN :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2009, 01:23:34 AM
ALL THE NEWS


...except for Obama's speeches/rallies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 20, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
What interests me is how the Fox ad feeds the fears of their target audience.  They really feel that mainstream news organizations deliberately marginalize them as part of a movement to put them under the power of un-American (socialist/Muslim/latino/whatever) forces.

A lot of Obama's book was about how to make people see their political opposition as real people, rather than some alien conspiracy.  The people at Fox, who have to know they're being dishonest, are more than happy to fuel people's worst impulses.





PS  Your daily Glenn Beck update:  He says that liberals making accusations of racism are using the same type of tactics as suicide bombers.  Remember that Beck Obama has a "deep seated hatred of white people" blah blah Beck's an idiot and a hypocrite yadda yadda.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 20, 2009, 01:49:16 AM
Has the right let go of those ridiculous assertions that the were a million people in D.C. last weekend?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2009, 02:06:00 AM
I was at Michigan's game today alongside 107,000 other folks. I didn't need to see that in order to realize Beck and his "university" numbers were bullshit, but it really just drove home the point that he's created an alternative reality where his followers dwell exclusively.

Oh yea, speaking of which

Quote
Last week, a video of a school bus beating showing two African American children assaulting a white student began circulating the internet. Despite claims by authorities that the attack was not necessarily racially motivated, hate radio host Rush Limbaugh jumped on the story and claimed that in “Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up.” Yesterday, Limbaugh proposed a solution to this problem — a return to segregated busing:

LIMBAUGH: I think the guy’s wrong. I think not only it was racism, it was justifiable racism. I mean, that’s the lesson we’re being taught here today. Kid shouldn’t have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama’s America.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/17/783372/-Does-The-Republican-Party-Support-Segregation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 20, 2009, 02:07:35 AM
:lol Rush Limbaugh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 20, 2009, 09:25:02 AM
Speaking of Glenn Beck, here is the wasteland of remaining advertisers on his show:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909180039

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    * Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. (The Informant)

    * Roche Diagnostics (Accu-Chek Aviva)

    * Carbonite

    * News Corp. (The Wall Street Journal)

    * Foundation for a Better Life

    * The Law Office of Pulaski & Middleman

    * Toyota (Lexus)

    * Bruce Hornsby & The Noisemakers

    * Nutramax Laboratories, Inc. (Cosamin)   

    * The Villages (A Retirement Community)

    * Liberty Medical

    * Citrix (GoToMeeting)

    * The National Republican Trust PAC

    * LifeLock

    * FEMA (National Flood Insurance Program)

    * ExtenZe

    * AmMed Direct

    * National Review

    * GetaRoom.com

    * Department of Health and Human Services (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration)

In other words, a bunch of shit you see on daytime TV, the government (lolz), and penis pills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2009, 01:52:24 PM
The bigger advertisers pulled their adds, but their money is still pumping into the show iirc

The of the worst things about Obama Fever is that it turns people you know to be normal into raving lunatics. A couple folks I know have jumped on the czar outrage bandwagon. Of course, they had no idea Bush also had czars, as well as most presidents since FDR. And when I asked them what they thought czars did they stumbled over themselves before arguing "tax payers pay them and we don't even know what they do!" SMH  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on September 20, 2009, 04:18:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2009, 01:52:24 PM
The bigger advertisers pulled their adds, but their money is still pumping into the show iirc

The of the worst things about Obama Fever is that it turns people you know to be normal into raving lunatics. A couple folks I know have jumped on the czar outrage bandwagon. Of course, they had no idea Bush also had czars, as well as most presidents since FDR. And when I asked them what they thought czars did they stumbled over themselves before arguing "tax payers pay them and we don't even know what they do!" SMH  :-\

At least they're being honest when they ramble on about that garbage. They don't even know what the President does, only what Fox says the President does.

Also, Limbaugh will be on the Jay Leno Show on Friday, I think. (Because a lot of his audience doesn't leave the house after 6PM anyway)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 20, 2009, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on September 20, 2009, 08:07:35 PM
I don't see how the federal government has the authority to compel people to buy health insurance. Pretty sure this will get challenged and overturned by the Supreme Court if that provision passes.

How do you figure? Please cite actual reasons besides ur freedom gut.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2009, 12:57:31 AM
Well if we're taking things literally John McCain might want a recount, since a bunch of votes probably only should have counted as 3/5 of a vote, and should have been cast by their rightful white male owners.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 21, 2009, 01:06:45 AM
Broad reading of the commerce clause.  There's nothing in the Constitution that specifically says the federal government gets to regulate product safety or environmental impacts, but here we are.  The Lochner era (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/capitalism/landmark_lochner.html) is long past.

Besides, there are multiple other ways to implement it.  Tell states they get no Medicaid money unless they implement mandates themselves.  Raise the payroll or income tax but exempt people from the hike if they have insurance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2009, 01:15:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 21, 2009, 01:06:45 AM
Broad reading of the commerce clause.  There's nothing in the Constitution that specifically says the federal government gets to regulate product safety or environmental impacts, but here we are.  The Lochner era (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/capitalism/landmark_lochner.html) is long past.

Besides, there are multiple other ways to implement it.  Tell states they get no Medicaid money unless they implement mandates themselves.  Raise the payroll or income tax but exempt people from the hike if they have insurance.

Is there any other way to read the commerce clause?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 21, 2009, 01:18:39 AM
Now you're just trolling for libertarians.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 21, 2009, 01:41:56 AM
Well, as I understand it, people aren't forced to buy insurance, and for many lower and middle income people they won't actually pay anything or much of anything for it thanks to subsidies.

Anybody who wants to go uninsured can, but they will pay a significant tax for it, moreso then they would if they opted out of any coverage whatsoever.  Think of it all as a realignment of healthcare taxation and it makes more sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 21, 2009, 01:50:46 AM
what, laws should be eternal and immutable? that goes against the very spirit of the constitution.

are you SURE you aren't religious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2009, 01:51:27 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 21, 2009, 01:49:00 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on September 21, 2009, 12:48:31 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 20, 2009, 09:32:46 PM
How do you figure? Please cite actual reasons besides ur freedom gut.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the federal government the power to compel citizens to purchase health insurance?

That has never, and will never, work on a "progressive."

Rule of law?  They don't give a fuck.

I wonder if you're as verklempt about all the torture and illegal wiretapping that was done... probably not, as it didn't result in money being given to poor people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2009, 01:54:33 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on September 21, 2009, 01:50:46 AM
what, laws should be eternal and immutable? that goes against the very spirit of the constitution.

are you SURE you aren't religious

There's absolutely NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a libertopian/randroid and a fundamentalist whackjob.  One worships the invisible hand of the free market and a crappy author who couldn't write worth a damn, the other worships an invisible space fairy and a book they don't bother to understand.  Neither is capable of thinking for themselves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 21, 2009, 02:06:34 AM
I'd like to point out again that a lot of the protections libertarians like (especially in the areas of free speech and defendants' rights) were created by court rulings that provided new interpretations of constitutional law, with no change in the text.

Judicial review is like federalism.  People act like they care about them for their own sakes, but 99% of the time the result is the most important thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 21, 2009, 02:13:39 AM
laws are created based on agendas. society -- gasp -- progresses. i, for one, am glad that we aren't ruled by the status quo of 1776
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 21, 2009, 02:25:39 AM
JayDubya :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 21, 2009, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on September 21, 2009, 01:54:33 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on September 21, 2009, 01:50:46 AM
what, laws should be eternal and immutable? that goes against the very spirit of the constitution.

are you SURE you aren't religious

There's absolutely NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a libertopian/randroid and a fundamentalist whackjob.  One worships the invisible hand of the free market and a crappy author who couldn't write worth a damn, the other worships an invisible space fairy and a book they don't bother to understand.  Neither is capable of thinking for themselves.

Then you combine the two and you get...
my ex girlfriend.

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2009, 10:24:24 AM
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"The story of the spectacular rise and fall of John Edwards, with its sordid can't-look-away dimensions, is moving slowly but deliberately to its conclusion here in North Carolina," the New York Times reports.

While Edwards "remains largely secluded at his 100-acre estate," he is said to be "moving toward an abrupt reversal in his public posture; associates said in interviews that he is considering declaring that he is the father of Ms. Hunter's 19-month-old daughter, something that he once flatly asserted in a television interview was not possible."

However, friends of Mr. Edwards and his wife Elizabeth "say she has resisted the idea of her husband's claiming paternity" and "has yet to be brought around."

Also buried in the story is a revelation taken from Edwards aid Andrew Young's book proposal: "He wrote that Mr. Edwards once calmed an anxious Ms. Hunter by promising her that after his wife died, he would marry her in a rooftop ceremony in New York with an appearance by the Dave Matthews Band."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/us/politics/20edwards.html?_r=1
 :lol

What a giant piece of shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 21, 2009, 11:32:05 AM
Absolutely unreal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002169/

Ehh....what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
Tom Coburn's (R- Crazytown) chief of staff wants you to know that all porn is inherently homosexual. (http://washingtonindependent.com/60172/sen-tom-coburns-r-okla-chief-of-staff-all-pornography-is-homosexual-pornography)

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Schwartz told the crowd about Jim Johnson, a friend of his who turned an old hotel into a hospice for gay men dying of AIDS. “One of the things he said to me,” said Schwartz, “that I think is an astonishingly insightful remark… he said ‘All pornography is homosexual pornography, because all pornography turns your sexual drive inwards.”

There were murmurs and gasps from the crowd. “Now, think about that,” said Schwartz. “And if you tell an 11-year-old boy about that, do you think he’s going to want to get a copy of Playboy? I’m pretty sure he’ll lose interest. That’s the last thing he wants! You know, that’s a good comment, it’s a good point, and it’s a good thing to teach young people.”

I guess this makes me Harvey Firestein.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on September 21, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
That makes no sense.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 21, 2009, 10:02:12 PM
i THINK it plays out like this

dad: "son, i saw you lookin' at titties and gash on teh intarnets."

son: "oh no!"

dad: "yeah, that means yer a filthy queer."

son: "but i was looking at naked girls!"

dad: "well, son, see, looking at porn means that you aren't with a real woman, but are actually with yourself, and you're a dude, so that makes you a gay."

son: "i am confused"

dad: "sexually confused, that's right! praise jesus and tom coburn for bringing you to the truth! now remember that if you ever lay a hand on your dick with onanistic intent you are a homersekshul and also god will hate you and you will die of the aids."

son: "did you ever look at porn, dad?"

dad: "never. now i am going down to the local truckstop restroom for nasty al's, ah, prayer service. tell your mom i went bowling. good bye!"

thus do republican fathers pass their values onto the next generation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 21, 2009, 10:38:38 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 21, 2009, 11:25:38 PM
there's just no dignified way to talk about masturbation, and it doesn't help if you're putting forth a wacko theory that makes every non-castrated person on earth gay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2009, 12:39:19 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on September 21, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
That makes no sense.



masterbation=jerking off a dude who happens to be yourself
jerking off a dude=gay

?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 22, 2009, 12:48:25 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 21, 2009, 11:25:38 PM
there's just no dignified way to talk about masturbation

That's not true... almost.

[youtube=560,345]npHQbXxJFS8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on September 22, 2009, 04:17:11 AM
(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/math.jpg)

do the math america!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: M3wThr33 on September 22, 2009, 04:30:53 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on September 22, 2009, 04:17:11 AM
(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/math.jpg)

do the math america!!!

But how do you get a half-black guy from 4 gay white dudes having sex?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 22, 2009, 04:39:59 AM
Well what else would you get if you combine commies, a jew, and a mexican?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2009, 04:45:11 AM
Zorro?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on September 22, 2009, 05:06:59 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on September 22, 2009, 04:17:11 AM
http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/math.jpg

do the math america!!!

You know you're on the right track when you're stealing the Atari Jaguar's ad slogan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxuna944dls).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: T-Short on September 22, 2009, 05:16:55 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 22, 2009, 05:06:59 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on September 22, 2009, 04:17:11 AM
http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/math.jpg

do the math america!!!

You know you're on the right track when you're stealing the Atari Jaguar's ad slogan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxuna944dls).

Hmm, and the Jaguar has already been converted to a dental camera, ready to serve in Obama's stalinist dentalcare nation

(http://www.chiheisen.se/misc/gaf/jagdental.jpg)

We're through the looking glass here people  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 22, 2009, 05:41:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2009, 04:45:11 AM
Zorro?
If Batman was based on Zorro, then that would mean that Obama is Batman.  Which would make it also go that McCain=Joker=Mark Hamil=Luke Skywalker.  I guess that would mean that Palin=Leia, which according to Nailin' Palin would mean that she committed incest with a Russian and is in fact not a US citizen.

I just knew it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2009, 04:30:01 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 22, 2009, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 22, 2009, 04:30:01 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa

"Obama why?!" :lol

"If you type something wrong, do you really deserve surgery? I don't think so." :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on September 24, 2009, 07:55:33 AM
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With U.S. President Barack Obama presiding over an historic session, the U.N. Security Council unanimously approved a U.S.-drafted resolution Thursday aimed at ridding the world of nuclear weapons.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090924/ap_on_re_us/un_un_nuclear_summit


Who does this guy think he is? Superman?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...I thought I could give you all the gift of the freedom from war, but I was wrong. It's not mine to give. We're still a young planet. There are galaxies out there. Other civilizations for us to meet and to learn from. What a brilliant future we could have. And there will be peace – there will be peace when the people of this world want it so badly that their governments will have no choice but to give it to them. I just wish you could all see the Earth the way that I see it. Because when you really look at it, it's just one world.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 25, 2009, 01:55:01 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jj6pqajvB8[/youtube]

Kyl: I don't need Maternity Care :smug

Some Lady Senator: Your mom probably did :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 25, 2009, 01:59:37 PM
Congressional pwnage is so tame.

SO, IRAN. HOW ABOUT 'DEM APPLES?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2009, 02:00:24 PM
My senator :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on September 25, 2009, 02:00:54 PM
Deadbeat Stabenow  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 26, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
If you are a republican senator, and your property insurer denies your claim, it's perfectly reasonable to push for a public option.
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Consider the example of  Trent Lott of Mississippi, who was that state's senior senator when Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005, flooding his home looking out on the Gulf. Lott had not exercised personal responsibility by taking out flood insurance even though it was available from the federal government at low cost. He did have private insurance, but his insurer refused to pay much of the claim, saying it was not wind damage (which was covered by the policy), but water damage (which was excluded).
   
Weeks later Lott introduced Senate Bill 1936, which would have authorized retroactive flood insurance. The idea came from Representative Gene Taylor, a Democrat who represented the Mississippi Gulf Coast, which should remind us that when there is voter demand for reform, and campaign contributions are not the driving force, the parties have worked together.

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Lott's bill would have let flood victims pay 10 years of flood insurance premiums after-the-fact plus a 5 percent late payment penalty. Since this storm was rated a once in 500 years occurrence, even 10 years of premiums would not come close to covering the real costs, meaning a taxpayer subsidy was built into the Lott bill.Instead of being laughed at by his fellow Republicans for promoting socialism, the concept of retroactive relief was warmly embraced, although not the idea for retroactive insurance. Instead the government went with handouts.

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Congress is so generous in its subsidies for property that the public option for flood insurance even covers property built in flood prone areas. And you can literally buy insurance on the day of a flood in some cases, and 1 day before in others.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-cay-johnston/gop-favors-public-option_b_296703.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2009, 01:16:44 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/gordon-brown/6237419/BBC-stuns-Gordon-Brown-with-question-on-pill-taking.html

Whoa BBC whoaa  :lol

The American press is too scared to ask tough questions and even more scared to bring up rumors. I can't imagine Katie asking Obama about his birth certificate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Reb on September 29, 2009, 05:42:46 AM
I think taking pills is somewhat realistic, the whole birth certificate thing was just distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 29, 2009, 10:28:13 PM
And now it's time for your daily "What the Fuck?" moment, courtesy of Newsmax:

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There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.... Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars.... Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

http://www.newsmax.com/john_perry/obama_military_coup/2009/09/29/266012.html

Obama has been in office for what, 9 months now? Bush had 8 years to fuck up this country, yet we're already drowning in the "Obama problem"? What a bunch of insane butthurt crybabies.

Is "Let's overthrow the government!" the right's version of "I'm moving to Canada!"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 29, 2009, 10:55:25 PM
We lost by a landslide. Let's overthrow it!

Limbaugh: Down with the democrats!
Follower: I will give you the honor of shooting the first shot!
Limbaugh: Dude, I have this radio show and make millions. I'm not going to risk that over something as trivial as this.
Follower: Well, I'm not going to go down like that. I have kids to care for.
Limbaugh: You liberal piece of shit!
Follower: Can I just yell and bitch instead?
Limbaugh: uhh.. sure. Someone else will fall in line if they are a real American.

Nothing happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 29, 2009, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 29, 2009, 10:55:25 PM
We lost by a landslide. Let's overthrow it!

Limbaugh: Down with the democrats!
Follower: I will give you the honor of shooting the first shot!
Limbaugh: Dude, I have this radio show and make millions. I'm not going to risk that over something as trivial as this.
Follower: Well, I'm not going to go down like that. I have kids to care for.
Limbaugh: You liberal piece of shit!
Follower: Can I just yell and bitch instead?
Limbaugh: uhh.. sure. Someone else will fall in line if they are a real American.

Nothing happens.

Yeah, that's probably what will happen, but don't forget that McVeigh happened while the last Deomcrat president was in office.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 29, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
Nothing's going to happen and the military isn't going to overthrow the President.

That said, what we will and have seen are those who will take the matter into their own hands, ie, bombing an abortion clinic, hanging a census worker, etc.  Whenever it happens, the right wing has to play defense or they have to weasel around the issue, which is like a form of defense.  I'm not talking about Freepers, I'm talking about the GOP members that foster this kind of behavior.  That is what will stop any kind of revolution from taking place.  That and common sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Smooth Groove on September 29, 2009, 11:28:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2009, 01:16:44 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/gordon-brown/6237419/BBC-stuns-Gordon-Brown-with-question-on-pill-taking.html

Whoa BBC whoaa  :lol

The American press is too scared to ask tough questions and even more scared to bring up rumors. I can't imagine Katie asking Obama about his birth certificate

Not the BBC I was thinking of.  Disappointment total. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 03, 2009, 11:35:43 PM
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/28/opinion/blow.portrait.190.jpg)
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After November’s Republican rout, and after Republican Party identification hit a record low and the party’s approval rating reached a near-record low, many liberals openly hoped that the G.O.P. and its conservative tenets would go the way of the Whigs. Au contraire.


:smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 04, 2009, 12:05:35 AM
Has there been any proof that the GOP is strengthening?

The leaders of the post Bush GOP are pundits and a handful of Republicans that represent ultraconservative areas.  No real leadership has emerged in the GOP ranks to take advantage of this movement except Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann.  I have my doubts that either will have a remote shot at furthering their political careers from this.  Which makes me think that most GOP members are laying low or barely pandering to the new party line to see if it will pan out to be something or fizzle out.

Although I could (read: most likely) be wrong on that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2009, 01:38:49 AM
I think there's been a little bit of actual weakening of the Democrats, mostly over spending and govt. expansion.  That may or may not result in gains for the Republicans, depending on how inept the Dems are at reminding America of exactly who the GOP are and who they represent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2009, 05:28:20 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on October 03, 2009, 11:35:43 PM
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/28/opinion/blow.portrait.190.jpg)
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After November’s Republican rout, and after Republican Party identification hit a record low and the party’s approval rating reached a near-record low, many liberals openly hoped that the G.O.P. and its conservative tenets would go the way of the Whigs. Au contraire.


:smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug

and when dems lose big in 2010 and bigger in 2012 what will you say :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 04, 2009, 12:42:04 PM
The Democrats' mistakes are highlighted by their inability to pass anything meaningful in Congress, and careless spending of taxpayer money.

Obama is definitely a one-term President; the expectations were sky high and he's delivered less than Bush. Our national public image has definitely been advanced by his administration (especially in Europe), but in a time of great economic hardship and complete dissatisfaction with Congress, voters could care less.

Democrats will be defined as indolent, only mobilizing to spend billions of dollars in taxpayer money to bail out banks and auto companies. Even if health care reform passes, it will be so neutered that it will be seen as a waste of months of Congressional bickering.

The party is doing everything it can to lose big.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 04, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
Obama gets a C- from me but I don't see these problems resulting in tangible Republican gains.

People can and will remember Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.  I think Obama will get a second term but the voter turnout will be piss poor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 04, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 04, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
Obama gets a C- from me but I don't see these problems resulting in tangible Republican gains.

People can and will remember Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.  I think Obama will get a second term but the voter turnout will be piss poor.

No, they don't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 04, 2009, 02:05:23 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 04, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 04, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
Obama gets a C- from me but I don't see these problems resulting in tangible Republican gains.

People can and will remember Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.  I think Obama will get a second term but the voter turnout will be piss poor.

No, they don't.

Republicans were talking about Clintonites taking over the White House.  Bill's speeches were a pretty nice boost for Obama.  So people's memories go back at least eight years anyway...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 04, 2009, 02:06:21 PM
But Bush has never been defined as fiscally irresponsible other than by liberals, and that argument won't hold water considering the very public bailouts from Democrats.

If anything, people have already forgotten.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2009, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 04, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
Obama gets a C- from me but I don't see these problems resulting in tangible Republican gains.

People can and will remember Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.  I think Obama will get a second term but the voter turnout will be piss poor.

Kinda contradicts your prediction though. With low turnout Obama would be fucked. I'd imagine young voter turnout will see a decrease and the right will be more energized than the left. Obama promised the moon and can't deliver with majorities in the house/senate, what's he going to accomplish once those majorities get even smaller next year?

If anything the map will wind up looking more like 2004 than 2008. A poor economy isn't going to help him in Ohio or Penn, and old folkz in Florida will be scared enough to vote against him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 04, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
The biggest reason why people voted for Bush in 2004 was due to family values.

The economy isn't an area where Republicans excel in it than Democrats in public opinion.  Maybe in 1980 but there is no Reagan around to capitalize on Democrat spending habits.  In fact, there is virtually no GOP leadership period.  I'm sure Republicans can find someone in the upcoming years but I don't know of any charismatic figure that can turn that opinion around.  The fact that both will have a poor record will create apathy; people thinking that neither are worth voting for and will just sit out.

The tone for 2010 will be set by the Q4 2009 reports.  People don't expect a 180 but they are going to want to see some positives.  The Democrats in general need to get their shit together in the next few months if they want to maintain or increase their majorities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2009, 03:13:11 PM
Uh, I think a lot of people voted for Bush because they thought he would do a better job at winning in Iraq.  Also because John Kerry was a flip flopping Frenchman who couldn't even catch a football... and he STILL almost won.

As for Obama, he will win in 2012 pretty much by default.  There are no credible candidates on the Republican side, and the economy will be improved enough by then that Obama will get some credit for it.  In 2010 the dems will lose some House seats (I predict between 12-15) but could feasibly gain 2-4 Senate seats.  People predicting Republicans regaining the House are sniffing glue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2009, 03:22:22 PM
Yea they won't take the house, but of course whoever has the WH winds up losing seats; the energy on the right and indifference on the left (say if Obama caves on hc) will flip seats

2012 will be interesting for the republican primary. Is Pawlenty the Romney alternative/excuse they're looking for, or is that more Politico bullshit. Does Gingrich run or sit around expecting a VP nod. What will Palin do lol; even republicans realize she can't win, but the crazies on the far right could maybe keep her in the race by swarming caucuses/primaries.

Can't wait for another early round of "hey everyone lets shitcan Romney." If HC passes this year he's really fucked  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Some sort of health care bill will pass- it won't fix everything but when it doesn't end up killing grandparents and turning us into ruskies some people will realize that maybe they bought a bunch of crap sold to them by the usual suspects.  Probably not.

The thing with 2012 and any potential Republican nominee is that the crazier aspects of the party's support is going to hurt them against Obama amongst the non-insane portion of America.  Add that to the fact that Obama is going to sound downright reasonable compared to what any Republican nominee will end up sounding like in order to be victorious in the primaries and I think it's pretty much a slam dunk for Obama.  Unless the economy is worse or we get hit again by bin Laden- then it's hello President Palin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 05, 2009, 02:45:24 PM
Here is a good op-ed from Paul Krugman:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on October 05, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 04, 2009, 02:02:07 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 04, 2009, 02:01:39 PM
Obama gets a C- from me but I don't see these problems resulting in tangible Republican gains.

People can and will remember Bush's fiscal irresponsibility.  I think Obama will get a second term but the voter turnout will be piss poor.

No, they don't.

Wait, what? Who do you think most people blame for the financial crisis we're in right now? The Clinton Administration?

Regarding Health care reform, Obama's a smart guy, so I can't help but think he knows passing a half assed version of an already compromised proposal won't be the type of thing that defines his presidency.

And Palin won't run in 2012. She'll be making a fuckton more money by just "writing" books and making (closed door) appearances at Republican fundraisers/cross burnings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 05, 2009, 06:57:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 05, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
Wait, what? Who do you think most people blame for the financial crisis we're in right now? The Clinton Administration?

Bush gets the blame for the economy imploding, but nobody has really criticized him for massive government spending. And if the Democrats try to push that, the Republicans will counter with Obama's spending.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 05, 2009, 11:19:43 PM
Republicans have really gotten the word out that poor people caused the recession anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on October 06, 2009, 04:11:05 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 04, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Some sort of health care bill will pass- it won't fix everything but when it doesn't end up killing grandparents and turning us into ruskies some people will realize that maybe they bought a bunch of crap sold to them by the usual suspects.  Probably not.

"No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie." - M. Lamar Keene
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
Republicans will bitch about it whether it is a watered down non-bill or a tightly designed public option bill.  Doesn't matter, which is why we need to go all out for the bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2009, 08:06:21 PM
I don't know how Shep Smith still has a job at Fox:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/06/fox-newss-shepard-smith-g_n_311627.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2009, 09:16:35 PM
Imagine the droves of hate email with the word Liberal in it he must have gotten.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
Dunno what's up with Shep. Maybe he really takes "fair and balanced" to heart, maybe he wants to get fired, maybe he's related to Bill Ayers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2009, 09:26:08 PM
Fox News watchers were probably confused and scared.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 06, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
I think Shep is just a pragmatic guy, even while being a conservative.

His outburts seem to be becoming more frequent. I don't know if that's because he's getting sick of how stupid FOX is or if his party is just moving so far to the right that he's finding more ways to disagree with them. Did he comment on all the Chicago Olympics hate? I saw that Joe Scarborough did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2009, 11:16:36 PM
The first outburst I remember was when he was reporting on Katrina.

He tends to have outbursts when the talking points of the right are delusional, even by their standards.  He had an outburst with Katrina because the right wing wanted to blame it all on black people and a lazy local government.  He had an outburst (well, not so much one but was sarcasm) with Beck because Beck caters exclusively in the field of delusion-riddled talking points.

He's probably a conservative with a lower tolerance for bullshit than being a conservative requires (that is if you follow the GOP) at some moments.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 06, 2009, 11:49:26 PM
He also ripped on a Fox smear piece of the Canadian health care system a week or so ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2009, 05:54:35 AM
Shep also flipped out and said "This is America!  We DO NOT FUCKING TORTURE!" on air while some idiot apologists were trying to pull a Cheney.  He's like the member of SS you feel sorry for killing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 07, 2009, 10:15:45 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 07, 2009, 05:54:35 AM
He's like the member of SS you feel sorry for killing.
:lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on October 07, 2009, 11:07:18 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091007/us_time/08599192886500

Time piece on palin's new (400 page!) book.

money shot:

Quote
The last potential time sink is steeping the ghostwriter in the author's voice well enough that he or she can channel it convincingly. Palin's singular rhetorical style is a boon on that score as well. "The fun part is when you get to the point that they don't even notice it wasn't something they actually said," says Jenkins. "Sarah Palin, in her own odd vernacular, is incredibly sort of quotable and eloquent, in her own Palinesque way."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 07, 2009, 11:22:36 AM
You would have to be a masochist of the highest order to want to read that book.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
So, the CBO score of the amended finance committee health care bill is out. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/The_score.html?showall)

Now, keep in mind that I think the bill kind of sucks, but it does have this going for it- according to the CBO it will actually DECREASE the budget deficit by 81 billion over 10 years and will increase the insured population from 83% to 94%.  So... why are pretty much no Republicans gonna vote for it again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 07, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 07, 2009, 07:35:46 PM
So, the CBO score of the amended finance committee health care bill is out. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1009/The_score.html?showall)

Now, keep in mind that I think the bill kind of sucks, but it does have this going for it- according to the CBO it will actually DECREASE the budget deficit by 81 billion over 10 years and will increase the insured population from 83% to 94%.  So... why are pretty much no Republicans gonna vote for it again?

Probably for the same reason they didn't vote for prosecuting against gang-rape in the work place. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/meet-the-senators-who-vot_n_312976.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2009, 01:16:50 AM
Some choice polemics:

Michael Gerson, Your Shtetl Pass Is Revoked (http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/09/27/michael-gerson-your-shtetl-pass-is-revoked/)

Quote from: Spencer Ackerman
What the hell, it's almost Yom Kippur, so I can always atone for my tone. But seriously: Michael Gerson needs to shut his fucking mouth before he ever even thinks accusing a Jew of insufficient vigilance against antisemitism. I don't know what lack of self-awareness convinces right-wing evangelicals that they're the true guardians of the Jews, but that condescending and parochial nonsense is its own form of antisemitism. We Tribesmen do not need some wire-rimmed enabler of one of the most destructive and inept presidents in American history to protect us from the perfidies of the world. It's us and not him who will pay the price for antisemitism, so if Gerson wants to actually act like a righteous gentile, he can start by not accusing Jews of apathy to their own people's wellbeing for the sin of not sharing his politics.

So to conclude: Gerson downplays the worst excesses of right-wing hatred, which displays itself through a more prominent and influential platform than does online hatred of any political coloration; and then he hijacks someone else's religion on a laughably flimsy pretext to defend his blind spots. Good to see, at least, that a Bush administration veteran is at least nondenominational in that approach.


Slate book club (http://www.slate.com/id/2231128/entry/2231131/)

Quote from: Sam Tanenhaus
Dear Reihan,

Actually, what you call a polemic means to be an interpretive history that makes the opposite case from the one described in your account. Revanchist conservatism did not originate as a form of populist protest. Rather, it was the brainchild of the very elites you say have no influence on our politics. It was conservative intellectuals who argued that the "managerial elite" (James Burnham), the "liberal establishment" (William Buckley), or the "new class" (Irving Kristol) had seized control of American politics and later our society. This argument, in its inverted Marxism, gave theoretical shape to the unarticulated anxieties and suspicions—anti-government, anti-institutional, antinomian—of the "small but intense and vocal minority," many of them "white evangelical Christians," who today populate the eroding island of movement conservatism. Even today the right insists it is driven by ideas, even if the leading thinkers are now Limbaugh and Beck, and the shock troops are tea-partiers and anti-tax demonstrators.

In other words, the movement has thrived not as a top-down operation, nor as a bottom-up one, but as a convergence of shared prejudices and cultural enmities. Thus, the right's first great modern tribune was Joe McCarthy, whose theatrical "investigations" of "enemies within" were either endorsed or indulged by each of the intellectuals mentioned above.



People who think I'm going to hell telling me what the interests of my tribe are.  :yuck

Conservative wannabe intellectuals who feign discomfort with ugly, dumb identity politics only when it becomes a PR liability.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on October 10, 2009, 01:14:57 PM
http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/10/09/stephen-colbert-compares-himself-to-glenn-beck/ (http://www.indecisionforever.com/2009/10/09/stephen-colbert-compares-himself-to-glenn-beck/)

Glenn Beck is a better parody than Colbert
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 10, 2009, 08:43:17 PM
Anyone know of any live streams for this gay speech?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2009, 06:02:16 AM
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/10/10/HP/A/24123/Pres+Obama+Addressed+Human+Rights+Campaign+Dinner.aspx

Obama shifts far left post-Nobel win :smug

edit: holy shit Lady Gaga joke?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 11, 2009, 09:25:51 AM
TIPPER GORE IS IN DA HOUSE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 11, 2009, 09:32:06 AM
Gay people are apparently upset that he gave no timeline, as if they expect with Afghanistan, Iran and health care, that he's ready to fight over gay rights yet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
If I were gay, I'd honestly be kind of annoyed with him over some of this stuff.  How hard is it to end DADT?  Even some Republicans support it... or at least they say they do now, but will flip out if he brings it up.  Ugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
I agree DADT needs to be stopped now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 11, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 11, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
If I were gay, I'd honestly be kind of annoyed with him over some of this stuff.  How hard is it to end DADT?  Even some Republicans support it... or at least they say they do now, but will flip out if he brings it up.  Ugh.

Really? Himuro, you too?

Look, if Obama thought he could end it right now, he'd end it. There is no doubt in my mind that he would be met with huge resistance if he executed a change in policy from conservatives, and all it would do is muddle the health care discussion.

Look at Afghanistan! The Republicans are trying to deflect attention from health care reform and muddle the domestic discussion by putting the heat on the administration for more troops.

We, as a country, can really only hand one or two big policy initiatives at a time. Going full steam on Don't Ask, Don't Tell would undermine everything else he's trying to accomplish right now.

It totally sucks, but I'd rather everyone get health care - gay people included - before we can get them to enlist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2009, 01:47:29 PM
The thing is, there ARE gay people enlisted.  And they're being FIRED from their chosen profession for no good reason.  That's worse than gay people not being able to enlist openly imo.  Obama could stop those firings with an executive order, I'm pretty sure while DADT is "under review" or some gobbledy gook.

And I guess I just see ending DADT as not that big a deal- public opinion polls pretty overwhelmingly support ending it.  Then again, 60+% want a public option and we've seen how that's gone.  Basically, this all goes back to needing to get rid of the Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on October 11, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 11, 2009, 01:43:30 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 11, 2009, 11:22:13 AM
If I were gay, I'd honestly be kind of annoyed with him over some of this stuff.  How hard is it to end DADT?  Even some Republicans support it... or at least they say they do now, but will flip out if he brings it up.  Ugh.

Really? Himuro, you too?

Of course. He made plans to close down Gitmo soon after taking office, why can't he end DADT? I find DADT to be a morally corrupt policy for the reasons Triumph described above. You might as well enforce a "NO HOMOS ALLOWED" policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 11, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
Did you see the resistance from the right on closing Gitmo, Himuro? Terrorists will be in your own back yard - your own back yard!

And Triumph, I recognize that (need we forget that I'm friends with rodi, a lesbian Army enlistee?) argument, but if you think there won't be a huge blowback from such a move, you're mistaken.

There's only so much political muscle he can flex at one time, and no offense, I agree that health care and national security take precedent over those issues. The guy isn't even a year into his term - give him a break.

If he were to attempt to close Gitmo, repeal DADT, execute climate change initiatives and more progressive agenda items all at once, none would ever come to fruition. The right is vehemently opposed to all of those things, and he needs as much assistance as he can get. Pushing all those line items at once just weakens his ability to get them done.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2009, 02:29:50 PM
Once health care passes he'll probably be ready to do it. Unless he wants to jump immediately into another long slog (climate change, immigration, etc) immediately. DADT won't be pretty but I think it'll happen

Will be fun hearing conservatives pull out the same playbook some used against blacks when the army was integrated. bubububu social experiments on the battlefield!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 11, 2009, 02:45:40 PM
Yeah, once health care reform passes, he'll try and get a bunch of smaller items like DADT taken care of. I doubt climate change will be pushed until next summer. This health care debate has been drawn out for so long and the end result will be so negligible that he'll need as many short item victories as possible to build momentum for climate change or immigration legislation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
Agreed. I seriously doubt the WH will be like "sweet we spent months on health care, grats guys. Now lets fix immigration!"

Although I wonder how the 2010 elections could effect their priority list
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 11, 2009, 07:59:42 PM
Holy shit, Hannity needs to work on his propaganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LarAHj11qJU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 11, 2009, 08:15:18 PM
I could see the Democrats and Obama only focusing on easy solutions until the midterm elections once health care reform gets passed, preferring to tackle the harder issues after the elections.  If a public option was part of the bill, Obama and Co. are going to have to spend some time working on the transition to that option.  At the same time, they will need to show that they have done more than just health care and that is where the quick, easy issues will come in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
Interesting read on Biden

http://www.newsweek.com/id/217090
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on October 12, 2009, 03:15:54 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 11, 2009, 07:59:42 PM
Holy shit, Hannity needs to work on his propaganda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LarAHj11qJU

Yeah, that looked like an abandoned building or something. A hospital usually has things to help people, not empty beds in an abandoned prison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 12, 2009, 03:44:11 PM
I like how there was one shot of patients in a room that didn't look like anything like the rest of the footage. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 13, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
too fucking funny.  Couldn't help but laugh along with Moore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
Time for action!

Quote
Pour Rock Salt on Snowe

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Tuesday, October 13th at 4:09PM EDT

19 Comments
Olympia Snowe has sold out the country. Having been banished to our world after Aslan chased her out of Narnia, Snowe is intent on corrupting this place too.

So we should melt her.

What melts snow? Rock salt.

I’m going to ship this 5 pound bag of rock salt to her office in Maine. It’s only $3.00. You should join me.

It is a visible demonstration of our contempt for her. First she votes for the stimulus. Now this.

It’s time to melt Snowe. ORDER YOUR BAG HERE.

The mailing address is:

3 Canal Plaza
Suite 601
Portland, ME 04101
Main: (207) 874-0883

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/pour-rock-salt-on-snowe/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 13, 2009, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
Time for action!

Quote
Pour Rock Salt on Snowe

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Tuesday, October 13th at 4:09PM EDT

19 Comments
Olympia Snowe has sold out the country. Having been banished to our world after Aslan chased her out of Narnia, Snowe is intent on corrupting this place too.

So we should melt her.

What melts snow? Rock salt.

I’m going to ship this 5 pound bag of rock salt to her office in Maine. It’s only $3.00. You should join me.

It is a visible demonstration of our contempt for her. First she votes for the stimulus. Now this.

It’s time to melt Snowe. ORDER YOUR BAG HERE.

The mailing address is:

3 Canal Plaza
Suite 601
Portland, ME 04101
Main: (207) 874-0883

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/pour-rock-salt-on-snowe/

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 13, 2009, 06:48:38 PM
There really are no words.

[youtube=560,345]V6ZxJTo9geM[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2009, 06:49:03 PM
The hot air comments section is also always good for a few chuckles.

Quote from: Crazy person
I sent this email to Steele earlier today.

Dear Chairman Steele,

Until the Republican Party leadership vows non-support of RINO’s such as Olympia Snowe, Lindsey Graham and John McCain they will not see another dollar in donation from me. I will only donate to individual candidates that reflect my conservative values. It is a shame that Ms. Snowe is giving the Democrat party bipartisan cover as they push forward their socialist agenda.

Republicans must stand firm in defiance of the socialist destruction that Obama and his party are attempting.

Respectfully,
farright on October 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/13/breaking-snowe-defects-on-committee-vote/#comments
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 13, 2009, 07:04:36 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
Time for action!

Quote
Pour Rock Salt on Snowe

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Tuesday, October 13th at 4:09PM EDT

19 Comments
Olympia Snowe has sold out the country. Having been banished to our world after Aslan chased her out of Narnia, Snowe is intent on corrupting this place too.

So we should melt her.

What melts snow? Rock salt.

I’m going to ship this 5 pound bag of rock salt to her office in Maine. It’s only $3.00. You should join me.

It is a visible demonstration of our contempt for her. First she votes for the stimulus. Now this.

It’s time to melt Snowe. ORDER YOUR BAG HERE.

The mailing address is:

3 Canal Plaza
Suite 601
Portland, ME 04101
Main: (207) 874-0883

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/pour-rock-salt-on-snowe/

Holy shit, I honestly thought that was a real joke. :/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2009, 07:23:22 PM
Erick Erickson is srs bznz, ok?

If they keep slaughtering her over every single big thing, eventually she's gonna become an independent and start caucusing with the dems.  It's not her fault that the rest of the party would rather cry like girls instead of trying to govern.

edit- You know, Maine gets pretty cold and winter is coming up.  That rock salt will come in handy in her home state- keep it up, wingnuts!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2009, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2009, 06:35:46 PM
Time for action!

Quote
Pour Rock Salt on Snowe

Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

Tuesday, October 13th at 4:09PM EDT

19 Comments
Olympia Snowe has sold out the country. Having been banished to our world after Aslan chased her out of Narnia, Snowe is intent on corrupting this place too.

So we should melt her.

What melts snow? Rock salt.

I’m going to ship this 5 pound bag of rock salt to her office in Maine. It’s only $3.00. You should join me.

It is a visible demonstration of our contempt for her. First she votes for the stimulus. Now this.

It’s time to melt Snowe. ORDER YOUR BAG HERE.

The mailing address is:

3 Canal Plaza
Suite 601
Portland, ME 04101
Main: (207) 874-0883

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/13/pour-rock-salt-on-snowe/

I read that sentence about 5 times before realizing "holy shit, he's really talking a :lolbout Narnia"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2009, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 13, 2009, 06:48:38 PM
There really are no words.

[youtube=560,345]V6ZxJTo9geM[/youtube]

More Obama=Hitler talk - this time from the GOP
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/13/792829/-GOP-pushes-the-ObamaHitler-attack

They apparently took down the tweet but the evidence remains. Wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2009, 07:49:46 PM
Glenn Beck :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2009, 08:04:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]YA7-BvVDV10[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 13, 2009, 08:51:51 PM
Old.

I am kind of surprised to not see a lot of outrage for those comments. Jews usually get up in arms about comparisons to the Holocaust, and Beck is no friend of the tribe, so I kind of am waiting for some bombs to drop.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: chronovore on October 13, 2009, 09:09:06 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/daily-show-destroys-cnn-f_n_318295.html

I was dying in laughter by the end of the post. Brilliant video. Man, US news coverage is bought-and-sold.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2009, 09:14:15 PM
Remember when republicans demanded apologies from democrats whenever MoveOn or some lefty said something ridiculous? Seems like the dems don't follow the same playbook now

I just wish I had stock in Nazi Comparisons Inc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2009, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: chronovore on October 13, 2009, 09:09:06 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/daily-show-destroys-cnn-f_n_318295.html

I was dying in laughter by the end of the post. Brilliant video. Man, US news coverage is bought-and-sold.  :maf

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on October 13, 2009, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: chronovore on October 13, 2009, 09:09:06 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/daily-show-destroys-cnn-f_n_318295.html

I was dying in laughter by the end of the post. Brilliant video. Man, US news coverage is bought-and-sold.  :maf

Thank you for that!

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on October 14, 2009, 09:23:55 AM
The new GOP homepage! (http://hammerandsteele.com/?u=http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php)  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 14, 2009, 01:48:18 PM
Never has "No, I think we're done here" ever sounded more like "FUCK YOU!!!" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/14/dylan-ratigan-to-chamber_n_320397.html) :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: Crushed on October 14, 2009, 09:23:55 AM
The new GOP homepage! (http://hammerandsteele.com/?u=http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php)  :o

"Facebook, Twitter....or Myspace"

good to see Steel reaching out to blacks :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on October 14, 2009, 03:22:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
Quote from: Crushed on October 14, 2009, 09:23:55 AM
The new GOP homepage! (http://hammerandsteele.com/?u=http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php)  :o

"Facebook, Twitter....or Myspace"

good to see Steel reaching out to blacks :bow

in his first "blog" post of the NEW GOP DOT COM (http://www.gop.com/index.php/chairman_steele/), Steele titled it "what up?" and asked people:

Quote
The Internet has been around a while, now. But, I still find it an amazing platform for innovation, not just in technology, but in life. Beyond admiring the way it powers so many inventions and businesses, it has become a personal thing for me. I love the fact that, wherever I might be, I can use technology to see my family and chat with them, and Social Media to tap into what my friends are doing.

Today, I want to begin to better connect with Republicans everywhere.

My first blog entry, therefore, is really a couple of questions for you; use the comment button to send me replies. We will run as many questions as we can, which I will answer.

Why are you are Republican? Think about that for a minute.

they then changed the title to "Change the Game" :lol


be sure to reload the page a bunch to see all the  :o BLACK REPUBLICANS :o from a century ago who replace the O
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 14, 2009, 04:07:56 PM
http://gop.com/index.php/learn/heroes

That is all sorts of shameless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 14, 2009, 04:24:55 PM
Why, Mandark? Why can you not celebrate the party that freed the slaves, you jerk?

Black people voting for Democrats are like Jews voting for Nazis!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2009, 04:27:49 PM
Quote
Octavius Catto was an African-American Republican civil rights activist.  Born to a freed slave in Charleston, he moved to Philadelphia as a child.  After the Civil War, Catto joined the Pennsylvania state militia, with the rank of major.

Catto co-founded the National Equal Rights League and was instrumental in Pennsylvania's ratification of the 15th Amendment, which extended voting rights to African-Americans.  Many Democrats resented him for it, and on Election Day in 1871, a crony of the city's Democratic Party boss gunned down Octavius Catto as he walked home from voting.

Democrats :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2009, 04:29:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 14, 2009, 04:07:56 PM
http://gop.com/index.php/learn/heroes

That is all sorts of shameless.

Party of Lincoln bitches!

Suck it liberals!!
(http://cache.trustedpartner.com/images/library/NationalBlackRepublicanAssociation2009/MLK%20Osprey%203%20web.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2009, 04:31:53 PM
Quote
Our country has to decide, said Ronaldus Magnus, “whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether to abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives better than we can plan them ourselves.”

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2009, 04:36:00 PM
Because, you know, there's absolutely no middle ground.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 14, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
One take on history:

Quote from: GOP.com
In 1947, Jackie Robinson became the first African-American to play major league baseball in the United States, as a first baseman for the Brooklyn Dodgers.  Not only was he a great athlete, Jackie Robinson was also a great Republican.  He campaigned for Richard Nixon's presidential campaign in 1960 and then supported Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) for the Republican nomination in 1964.  Robinson worked as a special assistant in Governor Rockefeller’s administration.

The general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, Branch Rickey, who hired Jackie Robinson, was also a Republican.  The Missouri Republican Party later offered Rickey the nomination for Governor and Senator, but he preferred baseball to politics.


Another take (http://www.framinghamdems.org/JackRob.html):


Quote from: Jackie Robinson, from his autobiography
Early in 1964 I wrote a Speaking Out piece for The Saturday Evening Post.  A Barry Goldwater victory would insure that the GOP would be completely the white man's party.  What happened at San Francisco when Senator Goldwater became the Republican standard-bearer confirmed my prediction.

I wasn’t altogether caught of guard by the victory of the reactionary forces in the Republican party, but I was appalled by the tactics they used to stifle their liberal opposition.  I was a special delegate to the convention through an arrangement made by the Rockefeller office. That convention was one of the most unforgettable and frightening experiences of my life. The hatred I saw was unique to me because it was hatred directed against a white man.  It embodied a revulsion for all he stood for, including his enlightened attitude toward black people.

A new breed of Republicans had taken over the GOP.  As I watched this steamroller operation in San Francisco, I had a better understanding of how it must have felt to be a Jew in Hitler’s Germany.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2009, 04:51:03 PM
From same chapter

Quote
It was a terrible hour for the relatively few black delegates who were present.  Distinguished in their communities, identified with the cause of Republicanism, an extremely unpopular cause among blacks, they had been served notice that the party they had fought for considered them just another bunch of “distinguished black fellows”.  They had no real standing in the convention, no clout.  They were unimportant and ignored.  One bigot from one of the Deep South states actually threw acid on a black delegate’s suit jacket and burned it.  Another one, from the Alabama delegation where I was standing at the time of the Rockefeller speech, turned on me menacingly while I was shouting “C’mon Rocky” as the governor stood his ground.  He started up in his seat as if to come after me.  His wife grabbed his arm and pulled him back.

“Turn him loose, lady, turn him loose,” I shouted.

I was ready for him.  I wanted him badly, but luckily for him he obeyed his wife.

I wonder what 2012 will look like

Also while still a republican, he supported LBJ in 64
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2009, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 14, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
One take on history:

Quote from: GOP.com
In 1947, Jackie Robinson became the first African-American to play major league baseball in the United States, as a first baseman for the Brooklyn Dodgers.  Not only was he a great athlete, Jackie Robinson was also a great Republican.  He campaigned for Richard Nixon's presidential campaign in 1960 and then supported Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) for the Republican nomination in 1964.  Robinson worked as a special assistant in Governor Rockefeller’s administration.

The general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, Branch Rickey, who hired Jackie Robinson, was also a Republican.  The Missouri Republican Party later offered Rickey the nomination for Governor and Senator, but he preferred baseball to politics.


Another take (http://www.framinghamdems.org/JackRob.html):


Quote from: Jackie Robinson, from his autobiography
Early in 1964 I wrote a Speaking Out piece for The Saturday Evening Post.  A Barry Goldwater victory would insure that the GOP would be completely the white man's party.  What happened at San Francisco when Senator Goldwater became the Republican standard-bearer confirmed my prediction.

I wasn’t altogether caught of guard by the victory of the reactionary forces in the Republican party, but I was appalled by the tactics they used to stifle their liberal opposition.  I was a special delegate to the convention through an arrangement made by the Rockefeller office. That convention was one of the most unforgettable and frightening experiences of my life. The hatred I saw was unique to me because it was hatred directed against a white man.  It embodied a revulsion for all he stood for, including his enlightened attitude toward black people.

A new breed of Republicans had taken over the GOP.  As I watched this steamroller operation in San Francisco, I had a better understanding of how it must have felt to be a Jew in Hitler’s Germany.

So what!  :punch

I guess your going to use these quotes to say MLK wasn't a real Republican either!



MLK on Reagan

Quote
"When a Hollywood performer, lacking distinction even as an actor, can become a leading war hawk candidate for the presidency, only the irrationalities induced by war psychosis can explain such a turn of events."

MLK on Goldwater

King accused Barry Goldwater of "Hitlerism." He believed that Goldwater advocated a "narrow nationalism, a crippling isolationism, and a trigger-happy attitude." On domestic issues he felt that "Mr. Goldwater represented an unrealistic conservatism that was totally out of touch with the realities of the twentieth century." King said that Goldwater’s positions on civil rights were "morally indefensible and socially suicidal."


Everybody knows MLK and Jackie Robinson were radical militants!!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2009, 07:21:19 PM
Quote
Appearing on Fox this morning to talk health care reform, Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele offered two contradictory -- and somewhat baffling -- metaphors for bipartisanship.

"I'm not trying to be an obstructionist here. To the contrary, I'm saying, Can we all get in the room and have a Rodney King moment?" he said. He was referring to King's famous "Can we all get along?" line following the 1992 Los Angeles race riots sparked by the acquittal of the police officers who beat King.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/steele-on-bipartisanship-can-we-have-a-rodney-king-moment.php?ref=mp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 14, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
I bet a lot of GOP members would like to Rodney King Steele right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on October 14, 2009, 08:28:19 PM
http://hammerandsteele.com/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6DBuk91phkI

this is way funnier than it should be
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 14, 2009, 09:01:10 PM
Quote from: Crushed on October 14, 2009, 08:28:19 PM
http://hammerandsteele.com/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6DBuk91phkI

this is way funnier than it should be

I love how at the pause at the end you can hear someone off camera
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2009, 05:53:20 PM
Meghan McCain likes to read:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/alg_twitter_megan-mccain.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 15, 2009, 05:53:45 PM
:drool

Makes me glad to be a registered Republican. Is she still single?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2009, 05:55:33 PM
I would *gulps* become a republican to be with her. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2009, 05:57:48 PM
I'd give her a good old fashioned hate rogering.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 15, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
She is pretty moderate for a Republican... and a total hottie.

... but I thought that since the election. I have a friend, who is a completely right-wing Republican (global warming doesn't exist, poor people caused the economic collapse, etc.) that accuses me of being a "dirty progressive" and believes the only reason I'm still a card carrying member of the GOP is because of my lust for Meghan McCain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2009, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 15, 2009, 05:53:20 PM
Meghan McCain likes to read:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/alg_twitter_megan-mccain.jpg)

My genes are tingling  :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 15, 2009, 06:18:00 PM
She's too skinny for black dudes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2009, 06:30:59 PM
Perfect size for me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2009, 08:15:03 PM
It's all in the titties, pee dee.  Her ass is proportional for her size.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 15, 2009, 08:24:55 PM
She always was.  A lot of people just didn't want to admit it since she was on the other side.

Speaking of which, I'd still give Palin a deep dicking.  Probably has a year or two left on her MILF status.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 15, 2009, 10:51:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2009, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 15, 2009, 05:53:20 PM
Meghan McCain likes to read:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/alg_twitter_megan-mccain.jpg)

My genes are tingling  :drool

well, i'm now a republican

kill the poors
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_G6Lq9jWQ&feature=player_embedded#&FMT=18[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 16, 2009, 12:22:11 AM
Are you kidding me wtf :lol

He's playing fucking commercials?! :lol

Mean Joe Greene?! Kodak!? :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 16, 2009, 12:27:08 AM
So the cold, hard proof that America used to be better are old commercials? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2009, 12:29:08 AM
I dunno man, I mean he's got a point.  Remember "Where's the Beef?"  Spuds McKenzie?  The Swedish Bikini Team?  COME ON.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2009, 12:34:00 AM
that is the longest I ever sat through glen b. repubs started the party. then the parents came home and everyone dashed leaving America a shithole. You are grounded.... its' time to clean up America. But the repubs are praising you for the good time they had.

Just let us back....

Just have another party. your parents are stupid enough to think it won't again. Do it.

Throw the party again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 16, 2009, 12:38:14 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat
I dunno man, I mean he's got a point.  Remember "Where's the Beef?"  Spuds McKenzie?  The Swedish Bikini Team?  COME ON.

 :lol

... Just when Meghan McCain gets me aroused to be a Republican, Glenn Beck is like an instant boner killer.

[youtube=560,345]yH0JhfQYXhA[/youtube]

Also pretty good. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2009, 12:56:16 AM
kinda expected Beck to bust out with
[youtube=560,345]n6CR-g-nBYg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2009, 01:04:33 AM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/10/15/national/a124653D11.DTL&tsp=1

Quote
(10-15) 20:35 PDT New Orleans (AP) --

A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have. Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said.

Bardwell said he has discussed the topic with blacks and whites, along with witnessing some interracial marriages. He came to the conclusion that most of black society does not readily accept offspring of such relationships, and neither does white society, he said.

"There is a problem with both groups accepting a child from such a marriage," Bardwell said. "I think those children suffer and I won't help put them through it."

If he did an interracial marriage for one couple, he must do the same for all, he said.

"I try to treat everyone equally," he said.

I don't think I can say anything to make this funnier.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 16, 2009, 01:33:03 AM
So, do they use the bathroom after he marries them? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2009, 01:48:26 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 16, 2009, 01:33:03 AM
So, do they use the bathroom after he marries them? :lol

Or maybe he has them use the bathroom to wash their hands before touching his bible?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on October 16, 2009, 02:12:02 AM
That's near Hammond, which is just north of New Orleans. Strange.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 16, 2009, 02:46:44 PM
what
the
hell
:rofl

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_G6Lq9jWQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 16, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
MEAN JOE GREENE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2009, 05:15:11 PM
http://www.usofearth.com/2011-obamas-coup-fails.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: BlueTsunami on October 16, 2009, 05:52:47 PM
 :lol thas some goooood fanfiction
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 16, 2009, 08:22:01 PM
After comparing himself to a Jew in Nazi Germany, which one of the following metaphors will Glenn Beck be using the next time the Obama administration says something mean/truthful about him/fox?


-9/11
-Hurricane Katrina
-The Trail of Tears
-Stalin's Gulags
-The Armenian genocide
-The Oklahoma City bombing
-The bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki
-The Rape of Nanking
-Rosa Parks

Should get a betting pool going on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2009, 09:08:39 PM
(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cavuto.JPG)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: treythemovie on October 16, 2009, 11:21:50 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 16, 2009, 08:22:01 PM
After comparing himself to a Jew in Nazi Germany, which one of the following metaphors will Glenn Beck be using the next time the Obama administration says something mean/truthful about him/fox?


-9/11
-Hurricane Katrina
-The Trail of Tears
-Stalin's Gulags
-The Armenian genocide
-The Oklahoma City bombing
-The bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki
-The Rape of Nanking
-Rosa Parks

Should get a betting pool going on.

Rosa Parks. To cancel out Barack's "blackness"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 16, 2009, 08:22:01 PM
After comparing himself to a Jew in Nazi Germany, which one of the following metaphors will Glenn Beck be using the next time the Obama administration says something mean/truthful about him/fox?


-9/11
-Hurricane Katrina
-The Trail of Tears
-Stalin's Gulags
-The Armenian genocide
-The Oklahoma City bombing
-The bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki
-The Rape of Nanking
-Rosa Parks

Should get a betting pool going on.

You can't really get much worse than the Holocaust references.  He's pretty much hit his limit right then and there.  Except he'll probably be more explicit about the holocaust comparisons:

"Public option will force hard working Americans to visit sick pricks like Dr. Mengele"
"Supporting cap and trade is like getting sent to the gas chambers!"

Shit like that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2009, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 16, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 16, 2009, 08:22:01 PM
After comparing himself to a Jew in Nazi Germany, which one of the following metaphors will Glenn Beck be using the next time the Obama administration says something mean/truthful about him/fox?


-9/11
-Hurricane Katrina
-The Trail of Tears
-Stalin's Gulags
-The Armenian genocide
-The Oklahoma City bombing
-The bombing of Hiroshima/Nagasaki
-The Rape of Nanking
-Rosa Parks

Should get a betting pool going on.

You can't really get much worse than the Holocaust references. 

you sayin' the holocaust was worse than slavery? :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2009, 02:01:51 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/16/george-hw-bush-gaffe-did_n_324410.html
 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2009, 03:06:43 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on October 16, 2009, 02:46:44 PM
what
the
hell
:rofl

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_G6Lq9jWQ[/youtube]

Why would I listen to such a giant blubbering pussy?
I don't go around calling people pussies irl, fyi, ok.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 17, 2009, 03:23:25 AM
Erick Erickson - The Salter of Snowe: Newt Gingrich is a liberal in disguise! (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/10/16/gingrich/index.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2009, 05:07:57 AM
Erick Erickson is really making a name for himself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2009, 06:04:09 AM
Erickson's also the guy behind Operation Leper (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2008/11/05/operation-leper/), where they'd rally the troops against any ex-McCain staffers who were mean to Sarah Palin.

He's dumb even for what he is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on October 17, 2009, 06:30:46 AM
EB HALP!

my dad fucking admitted to liking glen FUCKING beck. link me with the insane : (
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2009, 06:40:15 AM
Quote from: Akala on October 17, 2009, 06:30:46 AM
EB HALP!

my dad fucking admitted to liking glen FUCKING beck. link me with the insane : (


Glen Beck strikes me as one of those idealistic blowhards with more than a few skeletons in his closet.  Its usually just a matter of time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on October 17, 2009, 06:48:43 AM
but I need a shocka for um, tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 17, 2009, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2009, 06:04:09 AM
Erickson's also the guy behind Operation Leper (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2008/11/05/operation-leper/), where they'd rally the troops against any ex-McCain staffers who were mean to Sarah Palin.

He's dumb even for what he is.

http://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/4812082156 (http://twitter.com/ewerickson/status/4812082156)
Quote
Linda Douglass really is the Joseph Goebbels of the White House Health Care shop: http://bit.ly/3y276U

 :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 17, 2009, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on October 17, 2009, 06:40:15 AM
Glen Beck strikes me as one of those idealistic blowhards with more than a few skeletons in his closet.  Its usually just a matter of time.
the thing is, his skeletons are already out of his closet.  I mean, besides the raping and murder of a college student (http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/) in the early 90's, he's admitted and come clean on many occasions about his previous bad behavior, ranging from everything from substance abuse to bad language.

His media personality is so unique just because he's so openly fragile, his previous and current flaws in character are part of his act, and of his appeal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 17, 2009, 03:03:25 PM
Glenn Beck covered his ass by being upfront about his numerous personality defects and mental issues.

I bet Rush has a few interesting skeletons as does Hannity.  Maybe not Hannity because he is such a boring blowhard and lacking any kind of personality whatsoever.  It'd be hard to believe he would have friends that transcend politics and are not bro-groupies.

Edit: Although this was always entertaining to me. (http://hannidate.hannity.com/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2009, 03:11:52 PM
The people who love Beck and follow that show don't care about his past. In fact if anything all it does is give him the illusion of being the common man with all faults and weaknesses that normal people have.

Beck is popular for the same reason a lot of these guys are popular. He cultivates a niche among a certain segment of the audience as he says what they are either scared to say or want to say. Whether it is logical or has merit is completely outside of the point. He taps into the angry old white man demo and there are a lot of angry old white men in this country and there always will be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on October 18, 2009, 01:06:17 AM
this is the worst craziest campaign ad i have ever seen

[youtube=560,345]Xopdhv-tcPM[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2009, 01:18:55 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 14, 2009, 04:41:44 PM
One take on history:

Quote from: GOP.com
In 1947, Jackie Robinson became the first African-American to play major league baseball in the United States, as a first baseman for the Brooklyn Dodgers.  Not only was he a great athlete, Jackie Robinson was also a great Republican.  He campaigned for Richard Nixon's presidential campaign in 1960 and then supported Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) for the Republican nomination in 1964.  Robinson worked as a special assistant in Governor Rockefeller’s administration.

The general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, Branch Rickey, who hired Jackie Robinson, was also a Republican.  The Missouri Republican Party later offered Rickey the nomination for Governor and Senator, but he preferred baseball to politics.


Another take (http://www.framinghamdems.org/JackRob.html):


Quote from: Jackie Robinson, from his autobiography
Early in 1964 I wrote a Speaking Out piece for The Saturday Evening Post.  A Barry Goldwater victory would insure that the GOP would be completely the white man's party.  What happened at San Francisco when Senator Goldwater became the Republican standard-bearer confirmed my prediction.

I wasn’t altogether caught of guard by the victory of the reactionary forces in the Republican party, but I was appalled by the tactics they used to stifle their liberal opposition.  I was a special delegate to the convention through an arrangement made by the Rockefeller office. That convention was one of the most unforgettable and frightening experiences of my life. The hatred I saw was unique to me because it was hatred directed against a white man.  It embodied a revulsion for all he stood for, including his enlightened attitude toward black people.

A new breed of Republicans had taken over the GOP.  As I watched this steamroller operation in San Francisco, I had a better understanding of how it must have felt to be a Jew in Hitler’s Germany.

Oh btw just to put a coda on this story another choice quote.





Writing on page 340 of the autobiography, "I Never Had It Made", Robinson went so far as to insist that he be called an independent, "since I've never identified myself with one party or another in politics." In 1968 he campaigned for Hubert Humphrey.

"I was not as sold on the Republican party as I was on the governor," Robinson wrote of Rockefeller. "Every chance I got, while I was campaigning, I said plainly what I thought of the right-wing Republicans and the harm they were doing. I felt the GOP was a minority party in term of numbers of registered voters and could not win unless they updated their social philosophy and sponsored candidates and principles to attract the young, the black, and the independent voter. I said this often from public, and frequently Republican, platforms. By and large Republicans had ignored blacks and sometimes handpicked a few servile leaders in the black community to be their token "distinguished black fellows." How would I sound trying to go all out to sell Republicans to black people? They're not buying. They know better."

The more things change...

EDIT: And lol at the word filter

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2009, 08:42:30 AM
Wow, it's like Jackie Robinson is still alive and wrote that LAST FREAKING WEEK or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2009, 09:42:06 AM
(http://i34.tinypic.com/257knyp.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 18, 2009, 01:03:31 PM
Shuckin' and jivin' for the white man
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2009, 06:20:37 PM
GLENN BECK :bow

:bow THE ULTIMATE AMERICAN TROLL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 18, 2009, 09:26:01 PM
chinese astrology viral marketing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 18, 2009, 11:07:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnLqoRtUAVg[/youtube]

...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 18, 2009, 11:17:21 PM
Glenn Beck's iPod just got a new tune!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on October 18, 2009, 11:22:08 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 17, 2009, 03:03:25 PM
Edit: Although this was always entertaining to me. (http://hannidate.hannity.com/)

This makes me want to cry. The results are so weird for some.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 19, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
I thought this was pretty well done (http://www.slate.com/id/2232694/entry/2232838/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on October 19, 2009, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 19, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
I thought this was pretty well done (http://www.slate.com/id/2232694/entry/2232838/)

 :lol

I liked the Maher/Beck bit.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: M3wThr33 on October 19, 2009, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 19, 2009, 12:50:59 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 19, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
I thought this was pretty well done (http://www.slate.com/id/2232694/entry/2232838/)

 :lol

I liked the Maher/Beck bit.



I think it's hilarious he won't reveal whether he got the vaccine or not. That means he did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
I actually know the guy in that rap video.  :lol

Also,
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1009/Finance_Committee_bill_has_been_filed_.html (http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1009/Finance_Committee_bill_has_been_filed_.html)

The Senate Health Bill is 1,502 pages.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 19, 2009, 07:18:11 PM
I don't get that comment. Are long bills indicative of great government evils?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2009, 07:51:13 PM
So you want smaller, more efficient bills that are easily accessible and streamlined FoC? Kind of an odd argument coming from someone who would prefer to carry gold bars in his pocket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on October 19, 2009, 07:52:51 PM
the "look at how many pages these bills are!!!" claims make a lot more sense when you actually see one of the things. they're double spaced with like 14-point times new roman and huge margins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2009, 08:10:32 PM
I love the hysteria on health care. 

"This is a complex issue personal to a lot of Americans!  What's the rush to do something?  You should get it right!"

"This bill is MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND PAGES!"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 19, 2009, 08:40:25 PM
I don't get the argument either.  Too short and it would be chock full of loopholes.  I guess we're supposed to be pissed this bill wasn't half assed.  Seeing as how Republicans are hard working patriots and Democrats are lazy slackers, I am surprised.

Quote from: Willco on October 19, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
I thought this was pretty well done (http://www.slate.com/id/2232694/entry/2232838/)

I lol'd
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I guess the irony of having a health care bill that dwarfs the U.S. constitution is lost on everyone.

that's okay. I welcome unreadable legislation. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2009, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I guess the irony of having a health care bill that dwarfs the U.S. constitution is lost on everyone.

Maybe because a health care bill will impact more than 300 million people?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 19, 2009, 09:45:57 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I guess the irony of having a health care bill that dwarfs the U.S. constitution is lost on everyone.

that's okay. I welcome unreadable legislation. :bow

Don't Libertarians worship Atlas Shrugged?  If you could read that huge piece of agonizingly bad and unreadable shit, a large, comprehensive (read: relevant) health care bill should be a cakewalk in comparison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 19, 2009, 11:21:22 PM
How hard is it to read 1000 pages? I could do that in less than a week if it was my fucking job to do it. Probably in a day if I was just plucking out relevant information with the help of my staff of 10 people taking the notes for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 19, 2009, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 19, 2009, 11:21:22 PM
How hard is it to read 1000 pages? I could do that in less than a week if it was my fucking job to do it. Probably in a day if I was just plucking out relevant information with the help of my staff of 10 people taking the notes for me.

I think the point is that the GOP wants to make people think there are various hidden gotcha clauses tucked away in there.

Like, "If a public option alternative is such a no brainer, why does it need a 1500 page bill? :smug "

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on October 19, 2009, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I guess the irony of having a health care bill that dwarfs the U.S. constitution is lost on everyone.

okay folks, no law is allowed to be longer than an article in reader's digest or a blog post just because the writers of the constitution didn't really feel like elaborating on their words


oh and btw

(http://i34.tinypic.com/35k4sw7.png)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/faykg0.png)
(http://i37.tinypic.com/6scdqb.png)

HOW CAN I POSSIBLY READ A THOUSAND PAGES OF THAT, OH GOD SO UNREADABLE *is a libertarian, squeaks and skitters into hole behind the fridge at the thought of reading anything that doesn't teach a thinly-veiled religious dogma of ubermensch saviors*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I guess the irony of having a health care bill that dwarfs the U.S. constitution is lost on everyone.

This would make an awesome Ron Paul bumper sticker.

And it makes about the same amount of sense...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2009, 03:59:51 AM
The story, My Pet Goat probably contains more pages than the Constitution.

Quote from: T EXP on October 19, 2009, 09:45:57 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 19, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
I guess the irony of having a health care bill that dwarfs the U.S. constitution is lost on everyone.

that's okay. I welcome unreadable legislation. :bow

Don't Libertarians worship the Bible?  If you could read that huge piece of agonizingly bad and unreadable shit, a large, comprehensive (read: relevant) health care bill should be a cakewalk in comparison.

Fixed. :smug

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2009, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 20, 2009, 02:17:41 AM
Would FoC's head explode if he realized that supreme court opinions are often longer than the constitution? Or is he he just too stupid?

He's really that stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2009, 10:00:50 AM
If there were a 15000 page document on market deregulation and the permanent banning of abortion and gay rights, republicans would have that shit memorized.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 02:14:59 PM
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130047
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/20/the-ten-most-egregious-fo_n_327140.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
It's such a shame that Megyn Kelly can be so hot and such a scumbag at the same time.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 02:37:51 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on October 20, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
It's such a shame that Megyn Kelly can be so hot and such a scumbag at the same time.  :'(

What's funny is that she is worse than Hannity, and O'Reilly combined. Because while those guys are partisan nut bags at least for the most part they don't try to pretend they aren't. (Well technically that's not true because O'Reilly drumbeats that he isn't partisan but at least we  all can agree that's bullshit).

That chick runs an ostensibly non-partisan news hour but during that time slot is where I've seen some of the worst examples of biased and stacked journalism on Fox and that is a worse crime because that portion of the news is supposed to be straight news according to Fox.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
I don't see the point in defending Jennings. The kid may have been of age but I'm still baffled how a teacher wouldn't report that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 20, 2009, 06:08:50 PM
Chris Matthews is grilling this right wing nutjob on Hardball. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 20, 2009, 06:13:04 PM
This is like conspiracy militant nutjob hour.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 20, 2009, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 20, 2009, 06:13:04 PM
This is like conspiracy militant nutjob hour.
(http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/10/19/tomo/story.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2009, 02:42:46 PM
I don't see the point in defending Jennings. The kid may have been of age but I'm still baffled how a teacher wouldn't report that.

Why would he?  Unless it's breaking the law or some professional code of ethics (like if the older man were a teacher at that school), why would he be obligated to tell people about this?  Whom would he report it to?

If the student was still in the closet, there would have been good reason to believe that outing him would have made things worse, not better.

I haven't followed this too closely, so maybe there are important details I'm missing here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2009, 07:37:10 PM
If a teenage student admits to having sex with strangers at a bus stop, I'm sorry but it strikes me as something a teacher needs to reported to social services. That's not a safe environment for a kid to be involved in.

Even Jennings admits it
Quote
"Twenty one years later I can see how I should have handled this situation differently.  I should have asked for more information and consulted legal or medical authorities. Teachers back then had little training or guidance about this kind of thing. All teachers should have a basic level of preparedness. I would like to see the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools play a bigger role in helping to prepare teachers."
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/02/the-new-right-wing-hit-job-kevin-jennings/13

But the weird thing is that he mentions he should have consulted legal authorities. If Media Matters is right, and the kid was 16, he wouldn't need to consult them. Jennings account was that the kid was 15, MM tracked down the kid and he's said he was 16 at the time. So yea...kinda confusing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 07:57:16 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-to-appear-on-oprah/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 20, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2009, 07:37:10 PM
If a teenage student admits to having sex with strangers at a bus stop, I'm sorry but it strikes me as something a teacher needs to reported to social services. That's not a safe environment for a kid to be involved in.

What environment? Is social services going to remove him from bus stops?

Quote
... but the weird thing is that he mentions he should have consulted legal authorities. If Media Matters is right, and the kid was 16, he wouldn't need to consult them. Jennings account was that the kid was 15, MM tracked down the kid and he's said he was 16 at the time. So yea...kinda confusing

He says legal or medical authorities, which could mean anything really. And - what - he has a problem recalling a relative non-issue from twenty years ago? Burn him at the stake!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 20, 2009, 08:45:43 PM
Jenny McCarthy was a pretty good primer for Palin.

If Oprah's fanbase loved Jenny, they'll love Sarah too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2009, 08:58:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 07:57:16 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sarah-palin-to-appear-on-oprah/

"So what kind of books do you like to write?"
"Uh...all of them!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
Oprah isn't an especially tough interviewer and she probably wants to appear relatively neutral in this environment with her audience and this is the sort of softball environment Palin excels in so I would expect everything will go fine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2009, 09:13:43 PM
Oprah's ratings are down as is, she's not going to get into a pissing match with Palin. It'll be calm although I'm sure the right will find something to complain about.

I'd love to see Oprah ask Palin about her death panels/they're-gonna-kill-my-special-kid comment. She can defend it online with ease, but it would be funny watching her fail to give a competent answer live.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 09:22:52 PM
There are lots of thing that could be asked that I would like to hear an answer to.


What did she mean by the "Pro-America" parts of America.
Why was sexism an issue she dismissed for Hillary Clinton but rolled around in it herself like a pig in slop.
Why is it okay to quit being a governor before your term is up and no basketball analogies in the answer please.

But none of that will happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2009, 09:37:20 PM
[youtube=560,345]GPrLCIoxe8Y[/youtube]

I love how Maher hates on creationists so much while he is he conspiring like one in this video
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2009, 10:29:07 PM
I'm a big fan of Bill Maher, but he really came off as a conspiracy nut.

Very entertaining episode, though. You could tell he was visibly irritated. :lol

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
Oprah isn't an especially tough interviewer and she probably wants to appear relatively neutral in this environment with her audience and this is the sort of softball environment Palin excels in so I would expect everything will go fine.

The shitty thing about dealing with Palin is that almost any interview would be considered 'tough' or 'unfair' that contains you know, questions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 20, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
I'm watching the episode now, and Maher had one of his best jokes ever:

Quote
Y'know, Rush Limbaugh put in a bid to buy the St. Louis Rams. He said it's always been his dream to own black people.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2009, 11:15:09 PM
Did you dvr it or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2009, 11:28:45 PM
This will be my last Beck post for awhile because at a certain point it becomes a bit obnoxious like posting everything Coulter says but still...

I don't think he actually knows what the word means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjMEDtRv_Mc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 20, 2009, 11:42:00 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 20, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
I'm watching the episode now, and Maher had one of his best jokes ever:

Quote
Y'know, Rush Limbaugh put in a bid to buy the St. Louis Rams. He said it's always been his dream to own black people.

:rofl

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2009, 12:22:57 AM
How the fuck did Glenn Beck get popular? It's like when Tyler Perry became popular overnight,"Who the fuck is this idiot?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 21, 2009, 12:25:52 AM
Beck is popular because there is a significant portion of the population that is angry, poor and white and now has to confront the startling reality of being governed by a black man.

... Also, I was just watching a rerun. I have HBO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 12:38:09 AM
People like Beck usually emerge in times of change or poor economic states. Father Coughlin was doing similar stuff, well probably more extreme actually, during FDR's days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 21, 2009, 01:09:50 AM
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/docpage-motivated1.jpg)


I can't wait to hear about all of President Bush's successful business ventures!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 21, 2009, 01:10:16 AM
Someone watches Rachel Maddow! Bad Republican! Bad!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 01:30:56 AM
Wow Bush looks old  :-\

Someone edit a "how to take the fall for your boss" bullet into Powell's write-up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 21, 2009, 01:38:30 AM
What would you do with your life if your name was Zig Ziglar?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 21, 2009, 01:48:08 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 21, 2009, 01:10:16 AM
Someone watches Rachel Maddow! Bad Republican! Bad!

Saw it posted on reddit. :P

I can't watch a woman that looks like John Kerry.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2009, 01:48:27 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 21, 2009, 01:38:30 AM
What would you do with your life if your name was Zig Ziglar?

Moar like what WOULDN'T you do amirite?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 21, 2009, 01:49:38 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 21, 2009, 01:48:08 AM
Saw it posted on reddit. :P

I can't watch a woman that looks like John Kerry.

Uh huh. Whatever helps you sleep at night!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 21, 2009, 01:51:29 AM
Tony Parker: How to land a woman like Eva Longaria who knows she's top shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 21, 2009, 01:55:29 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 21, 2009, 01:48:27 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 21, 2009, 01:38:30 AM
What would you do with your life if your name was Zig Ziglar?
Moar like what WOULDN'T you do amirite?
Have a productive life?  zig's zinged!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 21, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
Beck's audience are angry, poor, and white people who are afraid of being left behind in a time when there is a great challenge of the status quo.

I suggested this earlier a couple dozen pages and got shot down but this is the case.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2009, 10:30:21 AM
ToxicAdam should have posted this here too. It's a good read.

The Very Separate World of Conservative Republicans (http://gqrr.com/articles/2398/5488_TheVerySeparateWorldofConservativeRepublicans101609.pdf)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 21, 2009, 03:34:22 PM
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLY SHIT. :lol

I'm watching MSNBC and Cantessa Brewer(sp?) just introduced Rev. Jesse Jackson as Rev. Al Sharpton, and there was this awkward pause until Jackson goes, "I'm Rev. Jesse Jackson." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 21, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
Nate Silver's betting that Palin will not only run in 2012, but will win the nomination.  lol..

spoiler (click to show/hide)
..it would be sad if he's right. :(
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
Why would it be sad? She'd have little to no chance of beating Obama, which can't be said of some of the better candidates likes Romney or my man Huck

I definitely think she could channel a grass roots movement better than any gop primary candidate and fuel turnout.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 21, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
but like, what if she won?  That's some sad scary shit.  Not that I think she would...but what if she did? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 21, 2009, 04:57:24 PM
Romney has no chance at all PD.  He's relatively moderate compared to them, and he's a mormon so he'll probably do worse than he did in 2008.  I believe that the repubs in general are just going to give up and Ron Paul will have some "impressive" numbers, maybe 20%?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 05:10:24 PM
We'll see. For instance, what if Palin and Huck split the evangelical vote so much that Romney is able to pull off early victories. And what will happen when things move from smaller states to larger, more moderate states.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2009, 05:25:02 PM
If the economy is still in the shitter in 2012 Romney has a pretty good chance.  Unemployment over 8% means he could probably beat Obama, to be honest.

...ok probably not, but he's dangerous.  Really dangerous when you consider that he oozes used car salesman vibe out of every pore of his body.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 05:32:29 PM
Obama is a one termer unless Palin gets the nom imo. Cheebs disagrees but he's wrong more than I am
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 21, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
If we had an election today obama wouldn't win re-election. So unless things drastically change he's carter 2.0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 06:30:20 PM
true, true :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 06:35:04 PM
I don't think he's a one-termer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2009, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 05:32:29 PM
Obama is a one termer unless Palin gets the nom imo. Cheebs disagrees but he's wrong more than I am

If we went by your track record we would all be under President Romney right now.

I'm never sure why people are eager to make predictions when they are often wrong...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2009, 07:10:12 PM
he's just being faithful to the hilldawg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2009, 07:28:41 PM
I've made bad predictions in the past but the chips are stacked against Obama. Unemployment will remain a problem, the economy as a whole won't feel better to the average American, Afghanistan will be a problem, young people will grow up, etc.

Ohio, Penn, Florida, Virginia...yea, I doubt they'll be going blue again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on October 21, 2009, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on October 21, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
but like, what if she won?  That's some sad scary shit.  Not that I think she would...but what if she did? 

While there's no guarantee what may happen in the future, this article should at least alleviate some fears:

Quote
Let us take a trip back into history. Not ancient history. Recent history. It is the winter of 2007. The presidential primaries are approaching. The talk jocks like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and the rest are over the moon about Fred Thompson. They’re weak at the knees at the thought of Mitt Romney. Meanwhile, they are hurling torrents of abuse at the unreliable deviationists: John McCain and Mike Huckabee.

Yet somehow, despite the fervor of the great microphone giants, the Thompson campaign flops like a fish. Despite the schoolgirl delight from the radio studios, the Romney campaign underperforms.

Meanwhile, Huckabee surges. Limbaugh attacks him, but social conservatives flock.

Along comes New Hampshire and McCain wins! Republican voters have not heeded their masters in the media. Before long, South Carolina looms as the crucial point of the race. The contest is effectively between Romney and McCain. The talk jocks are now in spittle-flecked furor. Day after day, whole programs are dedicated to hurling abuse at McCain and everybody ever associated with him. The jocks are threatening to unleash their angry millions.

Yet the imaginary armies do not materialize. McCain wins the South Carolina primary and goes on to win the nomination. The talk jocks can’t even deliver the conservative voters who show up at Republican primaries. They can’t even deliver South Carolina!

So what is the theme of our history lesson? It is a story of remarkable volume and utter weakness. It is the story of media mavens who claim to represent a hidden majority but who in fact represent a mere niche — even in the Republican Party. It is a story as old as “The Wizard of Oz,” of grand illusions and small men behind the curtain.

But, of course, we shouldn’t be surprised by this story. Over the past few years the talk jocks have demonstrated their real-world weakness time and again. Back in 2006, they threatened to build a new majority on anti-immigration fervor. Republicans like J.D. Hayworth and Randy Graf, both of Arizona, built their House election campaigns under that banner. But these two didn’t march to glory. Both lost their campaigns.

In 2008, after McCain had won his nomination, Limbaugh turned his attention to the Democratic race. He commanded his followers to vote in the Democratic primaries for Hillary Clinton because “we need Barack Obama bloodied up politically.” Todd Donovan of Western Washington University has looked at data from 38 states and could find no strong evidence that significant numbers of people actually did what Limbaugh commanded. Rush blared the trumpets, but few of his Dittoheads advanced.

Over the years, I have asked many politicians what happens when Limbaugh and his colleagues attack. The story is always the same. Hundreds of calls come in. The receptionists are miserable. But the numbers back home do not move. There is no effect on the favorability rating or the re-election prospects. In the media world, he is a giant. In the real world, he’s not.

But this is not merely a story of weakness. It is a story of resilience. For no matter how often their hollowness is exposed, the jocks still reweave the myth of their own power. They still ride the airwaves claiming to speak for millions. They still confuse listeners with voters. And they are aided in this endeavor by their enablers. They are enabled by cynical Democrats, who love to claim that Rush Limbaugh controls the G.O.P. They are enabled by lazy pundits who find it easier to argue with showmen than with people whose opinions are based on knowledge. They are enabled by the slightly educated snobs who believe that Glenn Beck really is the voice of Middle America.

So the myth returns. Just months after the election and the humiliation, everyone is again convinced that Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the rest possess real power. And the saddest thing is that even Republican politicians come to believe it. They mistake media for reality. They pre-emptively surrender to armies that don’t exist.

They pay more attention to Rush’s imaginary millions than to the real voters down the street. The Republican Party is unpopular because it’s more interested in pleasing Rush’s ghosts than actual people. The party is leaderless right now because nobody has the guts to step outside the rigid parameters enforced by the radio jocks and create a new party identity. The party is losing because it has adopted a radio entertainer’s niche-building strategy, while abandoning the politician’s coalition-building strategy.

The rise of Beck, Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and the rest has correlated almost perfectly with the decline of the G.O.P. But it’s not because the talk jocks have real power. It’s because they have illusory power, because Republicans hear the media mythology and fall for it every time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2009, 09:33:12 PM
You guys are underestimating a couple of things- namely, the lack of quality candidates amongst the opposition and the fact that while Obama's ratings have slipped a little bit (since rebounding to the mid 50's) absolutely NO ONE likes the Republicans and pretty much recognize that they don't have any ideas or policies that will help.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2009, 09:35:01 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 21, 2009, 09:33:12 PM
You guys are underestimating a couple of things- namely, the lack of quality candidates amongst the opposition and the fact that while Obama's ratings have slipped a little bit (since rebounding to the mid 50's) absolutely NO ONE likes the Republicans and pretty much recognize that they don't have any ideas or policies that will help.

Not to mention we are years away from an election so its a bit silly for people to start predicting the future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2009, 09:36:34 PM
Exactly.  For fucks sakes, some idiots are already saying the Dems are going to lose the House in 2010.  Yeah right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 21, 2009, 09:47:28 PM
Saying Obama is a one termer is Maddow-esque hand wringing.  Also, there is no Republican leadership.  People say he's Carter 2.0 but there's no Reagan to take advantage of it.  The GOP right now is just a raving hatefuck of egotistical pundits and fringe congresspeople who would never have a voice if there was even a shred more stability in the country.

I suppose Palin could be the bizarro Reagan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on October 21, 2009, 10:21:57 PM
If by some cruel fate Palin is elected president, I'd seriously consider moving up north to Vancouver.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2009, 12:47:08 AM
I consider Romney at least even odds to get the nomination.

The British betting houses have him at 5-1 against and won't take wagers from Americans.  I wish I had kept in touch with my old English friends.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 21, 2009, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 21, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
If we had an election today obama wouldn't win re-election. So unless things drastically change he's carter 2.0
but who would beat him?

the constitution :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 10:41:51 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on October 22, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 21, 2009, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 21, 2009, 06:22:13 PM
If we had an election today obama wouldn't win re-election. So unless things drastically change he's carter 2.0
but who would beat him?

the constitution :smug
(http://www.esquire.com/media/cm/esquire/images/high-five-0808-lg-76258126.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 22, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
FlameofCallandor, can you get a webcam and record your facial reaction after this segment:

[youtube=560,345]TgqqSHr0wVA[/youtube]

How angry are you on a scale of one to ten gold bars?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
Franken always has hot babes behind his seat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
I don't get the point of that video? I bet some people went bankrupt paying their mortgage too. Should everyone get a free house paid for by uncle sam? What about jobs, I bet people who don't have jobs go bankrupt. Lets just give out money to everyone so nobody ever goes bankrupt.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 05:59:34 PM
I'm not angry, I'm more amazed that liberals actually think this is an argument for their side of the debate.


"Shit's expensive, so we'll just have someone else pay for it"

I guess that about sums out most of modern liberalism though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 22, 2009, 06:07:34 PM
firefighting is expensive too..
... and is not the same thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 06:13:28 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.redwinebuzz.com/winesooth/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/strawman.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 06:21:44 PM
How many time does it take for me to say that libertarian =/= anarchist ??

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 06:25:43 PM
Do you think that will happen before or after Obama loses re-election?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on October 22, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
That snarky strawman post is pretty humorous considering your response to the video.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2009, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 05:57:11 PM
I don't get the point of that video? I bet some people went bankrupt paying their mortgage too. Should everyone get a free house paid for by uncle sam? What about jobs, I bet people who don't have jobs go bankrupt. Lets just give out money to everyone so nobody ever goes bankrupt.



Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 06:11:09 PM
... and is not the same thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2009, 07:42:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]rMOBQZwDMAE[/youtube]

That's a Borys-esque SMH moment
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2009, 07:42:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]rMOBQZwDMAE[/youtube]

That's a Borys-esque SMH moment

Wow. That guy must really love Reagan! :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2009, 01:56:56 AM
omg this is all kinds of awesome:

Quote
A collection of essays about former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, titled Going Rouge, will be released the same day as Palin's own much-awaited book, Going Rogue.

The essays, collected by The Nation senior editors Richard Kim and Betsy Reed and written by Max Blumenthal, Katha Pollitt, Matt Taibbi and several others, will examine "the nightmarish prospect of her continuing to dominate the nation's political scene."

And yes, the book is available for pre-order.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/going-rouge-to-come-out-same-day-as-palins-book.php?ref=fpb

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2009/10/going-rogue-rouge-palin-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg


:bow :bow :bow The Nation :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2009, 02:00:21 AM
Meh, liberals sure do hate her huh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2009, 02:05:18 AM
They hate her cause she's good looking. :smug [/O'reilly]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 23, 2009, 02:19:26 AM
I will say as a registered Republican, that if our country ever manages to vote her into office, that I'd seriously consider relocating to another country. And not because of sour liberal grapes either - but because she acts as sort of a litmus test for the intelligence of our nation.

Once it hits below a certain point, it's time to jettison to another democracy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2009, 02:20:59 AM
Not just that, but also the worry about someone like her having access to the nucular codes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 02:22:39 AM
Meh, I'm not so worried about the fabled "nuclear codes" scare-tactic as I am with Willco's fear.

I may be living in London in four years time anyway, so no skin off my nose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2009, 02:29:56 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 23, 2009, 02:22:39 AM
Meh, I'm not so worried about the fabled "nuclear codes" scare-tactic as I am with Willco's fear.

I may be living in London in four years time anyway, so no skin off my nose.

Until the British National Party takes over :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 23, 2009, 02:30:02 AM
London, Kentucky?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2009, 02:50:09 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 22, 2009, 06:11:09 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 22, 2009, 06:07:34 PM
firefighting is expensive too..
... and is not the same thing.

Actually, why do you support a publicly funded firefighting department rather than private/volunteer firefighting?  What aspect of firefighting (unshared with medical care) distinguishes it from the other goods and services that naturally fall to the market?


They don't say anything about fire engines in the Constitution. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 23, 2009, 02:55:26 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on October 23, 2009, 03:14:51 AM
If folks didn't move for a second Bush term, they'll never do it.  That said, in the unlikely Palin victory scenario, I feel like I would need to strongly consider it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2009, 03:26:55 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 23, 2009, 02:30:02 AM
London, Kentucky?

There's a London, Kentucky?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 23, 2009, 04:54:02 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 23, 2009, 03:26:55 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 23, 2009, 02:30:02 AM
London, Kentucky?

There's a London, Kentucky?

There's a London, Arkansas!
Wait, no, it's England, Arkansas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on October 23, 2009, 04:58:14 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 22, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
FlameofCallandor, can you get a webcam and record your facial reaction after this segment:

[youtube=560,345]TgqqSHr0wVA[/youtube]

How angry are you on a scale of one to ten gold bars?

Delicious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2009, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: The Business on October 23, 2009, 03:04:33 AM
Every election I hear that "I'll move to another country" threat.  Does anyone know anyone that expatriated because of an election?

I know a couple that moved to Vancouver in 2005, although it was pretty easy for them to do that because she had dual citizenship.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 23, 2009, 10:52:25 AM
Pelosi scoffs at The Constitution.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55971 (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55971)

Quote
CNSNews.com: “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?”
 
Pelosi: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”
 
CNSNews.com: “Yes, yes I am.”



:piss constitution
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2009, 11:16:00 AM
Article I Section 8.  "General welfare."  Yeah, "welfare" is in the US Constitution.  OH TEH NOEZ!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 23, 2009, 11:22:23 AM
Wow, considering everything in section 8 thats a really liberal (literal meaning) view of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2009, 11:25:58 AM
Not really.  It also says explicitly in there that they can tax people, and we all know how much you hate that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2009, 11:32:28 AM
Where in the constitution does it say that the government can detain people without charges, wiretap citizens, hire mercenaries, and lie to it's people to go to war?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 23, 2009, 12:27:16 PM
in foc's defense, he's never argued for the bush administrations civil rights violations as i recall

on the other hand, the constitution is an open, living document. it took 14 amendments just to get a humane baseline for civil rights
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 23, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
Has Flame still not responded to Mandark's question about why he feels entitled to government run firefighting services, and not volunteer and/or privately run services?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 23, 2009, 02:20:01 PM
How do we know he's not out dumping a truckload of teabags on his nearest fire-hydrant? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2009, 03:57:31 PM
Did you guys know that George Washington was a volunteer firefighter in his youth, roughly a century before public fire departments started popping up?

It's clear that the founders never intended for me to be taxed because FoC left the stove on.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2009, 01:48:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]frx81trnXwU[/youtube]
worst troll ever  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2009, 12:02:09 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPCicGcoIQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2009, 04:07:43 AM
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Almost a year after his election as President, Barack Obama continues to lead his most likely 2012 rivals in hypothetical contests for reelection.

Obama leads Mike Huckabee 47-43, Mitt Romney 48-40, Sarah Palin 52-40, and Tim Pawlenty 50-30.

This is the seventh time PPP has conducted this poll and the seventh time Huckabee has polled closest to Obama. Speaking to the weakness of the field of potential Republican candidates he's the only with a positive favorability rating and even then it's only 33/29.

Huckabee's doing well because he connects better than the other GOP hopefuls with voters in the Midwest and South. For instance while Romney, Palin, and Pawlenty trail by 9, 17, and 18 points respectively in the Midwest Huckabee is down by just 3, something that could be a good omen for his prospects of again winning the Iowa primary as he did in 2008.

Romney is actually the most popular of the Republican candidates with independents, sporting a 38/28 favorability rating with them and holding Obama to just a 41-40 lead. One thing he'll probably have to contend with to a greater extent if he gets the 2012 nomination is his religion- 34% of respondents say they have an unfavorable opinion of it to 21% who look on it positively.

Palin's numbers have been somewhat mystifying over the last four months. Immediately after her resignation they actually improved to a positive 47/45 favorability rating. Since then though they've plummeted even with her largely out of the public eye and only 36% of voters have a favorable view of her with 51% holding a negative one. She has by far the worst numbers with both Democrats and independents.

Somewhat counterintuitively the best news in this poll might be for Tim Pawlenty. Only 27% of respondents have an opinion of him and it breaks down negatively, 16/11. He trails Obama by the widest margin. But with all of the better known Republican candidates looking pretty weak the door is really open for someone like him to step in and have a big impact on this race. No one expected Barack Obama to be the Democrats' 2008 nominee at this time four years ago, and the best hope for Republicans in 2012 may be to move beyond the Huckabee/Palin/Romney trio that all has the loser stench from last year.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/10/obama-continues-to-lead-2012-contests.html

The responses are gold
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Good luck on relying on pools. I get a better idea of how things really are by reading the newspapers of the states,the blogs,opinions,comments to articles. The bama is hated and he will never be re elected. Keep dreaming though if that works for you.
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Huckubee,believe in globe warming,he want a cardon tax, he want to make all the illegal, legal,we need someone like Sarin Palin.

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Just another misleading poll not disclosing the people they polled.

likely like that other nonsensical of WaPo that had much too high number of people polled say they were democrats and much less number say they were republicans [ie http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002282/ ]

wonder if this will get through the "moderator" aka censor on this website
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2009, 01:10:21 PM
Too early to draw anything from these early polls except the already known. Huckabee is personable despite his bizzare religious beliefs (which a lot of the country share). Palin is essentially Hillary Clinton. Well known but favorability issues. And nobody knows or cares about the rest of the field at this stage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 25, 2009, 02:10:54 PM
Tim Pawlenty is like Evan Bayh: has no serious shot of making it but people keep bringing him up as a possibility anyway.

I'm pretty sure the GOP nominee will be unknown as of yet.  After 2004, nobody really thought Obama was going to run in 2008 but 2012 or 2016.  After 2000, people thought Lieberman was going to be the front runner and turned out to be one of the first to run out of steam.  Remember all of that Mark Warner hype?  Saying Huckabee or Romney is like saying Joe Lieberman or Evan Bayh at this point.  They could be the ones who make it but it is too early to tell.  Maybe Jindal will re-engineer a recovery.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 25, 2009, 03:55:42 PM
Someone raised the point the other day about how it's somewhat difficult to square away the grassroots support for Palin against the minor insurrection that occurred when Huckabee was gaining momentum. Christy's are surprisingly fickle I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2009, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 25, 2009, 03:55:42 PM
Someone raised the point the other day about how it's somewhat difficult to square away the grassroots support for Palin against the minor insurrection that occurred when Huckabee was gaining momentum. Christy's are surprisingly fickle I guess.

The reason they rallied to Palin is simply situational. She was more preferable to them than McCain and they were looking for a reason to rally around McCain anyway so she was the outlet.

Once it become clear that she was an idiot, they doubled down their support on her and started their attacks against the elitists just because.

Both Palin and Huckabee have a lot of grassroots support from the fundie crowd. The people who don't like Huckabee is the pundit crowd in Republican circles because they think he is the Republican version of Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2009, 04:09:53 PM
Rush and Co. really tried destroying Huck after Iowa, which only half worked. His campaign lost steam, but the candidate few in the GOP wanted wound up gaining the momentum. Romney didn't really benefit from that initial outrage. So when the economic conservatives throw a fit over Huck again, or sane republicans throw a fit over Palin early, who will benefit?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2009, 04:50:59 PM
I'm calling the GOP nomination for Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2009, 04:54:40 PM
I think it will be Palin; I'm not sure that we've reached Peak Wingnut just yet, and there are plenty more people out there ready to double down on the crazy in the GOP before they do some honest self-reflection... then again, these are Republicans I'm talking about here.  They'll probably never do any honest self-reflection.

The only way I could see Romney getting the nomination is if the economy is still crappy/unemployment is still really high.  I expect both situations to be improved enough by early 2012 to let the nuts have one last party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2009, 05:11:31 PM
No way Palin will be the pick.There was a poll conducted like a week or two ago that had Palin's approval ratings at their lowest ever. Not to mention her opposition would have tons more ammo to attack her with (quitting her job after 2 years). She's about as popular as Dick Cheney.


Of course, this is the same party that apparently thinks they lost because they weren't conservative enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2009, 05:24:06 PM
Someone brought up Jindal but he's the next target for the birther movement.

Romney will be pretty open to attack from the right, especially once the health care bill is passed. I can imagine tea party wingnuts swarming polls for Palin or Huck and making Romney the liberal outcast. Independents and sane republicans will probably flock to him though. In 08 they nominated the person they felt had the best chance to win, and they'll probably do that again in 2012 - so Romney. But if the wingnuttery results in a complete sabotage of the party and rich republicans stand around the laboratory wondering why the fuck they created the Frankenstein monster/teaparty movement...Palin (or whoever her male counterpart is) could win. Those crazy people are the only people who think she can win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 25, 2009, 05:40:48 PM
It'll be someone who isn't doing much right now, laying low, or behind the scenes.

Romney will get reminded that he is a Mormon every minute of his campaign.  Especially if Palin is in the primaries.  I don't think his used car salesman shtick is as prominent as people want it to be but who does he have backing him?  He doesn't seem to have a lot of conservative groups going to bat for him.  He'll do as well as he did in 2008.

I still think Palin can make it.  Her Oprah appearance will make or break her, along with Going Rogue.  These will be her two opportunities to get back into relevance.  Plus if she has a lot of prominent neocons who take her under their wing, they can recreate her.  Some conservatives will bitch but like they did with McCain, if she is the chose one, they'll all fall in line.  If she flubs it, she'll end up like Bobby Jindal and I agree that this will be the end of the mavericks.

Huckabee has a shot but he doesn't carry much traction outside of the religious right.  I suppose it all depends on what factions win but I can see them grimace at a Huck presidency more than a Palin one.  Grass roots won't amount to much if the business interests want to go elsewhere.  I think he is on the decline.  Kind of a pick with the independent religious right but they'll drop him like a sack of bricks, especially if Palin gains traction.

I think it will end up being a Governor (not Rick Perry) or a Senator not yet considered.  If the public option passes, then that could be an opportunity for Bill Frist to take a crack at the GOP primaries, for example.  He didn't leave on bad terms and he is a medical doctor with a conservative slant, just what the GOP wants if the public option is passed.

We don't know if the teabaggers / 9-12 set will have a falling out or in-fighting like these organizations always end up having and who will be the casualties.  If the economy picks up, all of the gloom and doom will look bad and end up backfiring.  Which is why I am hard pressed to think any of the candidates now (Romney, Palin, Huckabee) have a serious shot in 2012.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2009, 05:41:42 PM
I really do think it will be Huckabee, Pawlenty, or Romney.

I think Palin is more bark than bite and she would get trounced in a general election which is exactly why I hope she actually does run and gets the nomination.

After that it breaks down like this to me. Huckabee is the toughest if he actually gets the nomination because he is so smooth and media friendly. Whatever I think about his politics or his statements on record, he is so charming at times, its hard not to like him which is an impressive ability for a politican to have.

Pawlenty is the great unknown but I think that could actually be a benefit to him. By default he immediately seems the most rational Republican around because he hasn't been in all those national turf wars.

I feel the same way about Romney as I've always felt about him. He makes a great first impression but every time you see him after that he seems less and less likable and more and more slimey.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2009, 06:19:42 PM
T EXP, you're referring to the Bill Frist who supports Obamacare? I don't see that going over well with the right

Huck is a nice guy who's better at selling himself than any of the other (known) possible candidates, but he's hated in the more powerful wings of the GOP.

Romney has been quiet lately but when health care passes many of his rivals will start taking early shots at him, and I'd imagine he'll come out of his hole to defend himself.

Yea, Pawlenty is under the radar. But it seems like he's not interested in playing to a moderate crowd, and has instead jumped head first into wingnuttery. How will voters react when they discover that.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 25, 2009, 08:22:32 PM
I'm just saying that there is a good chance none of these guys will be nominated and instead it will be someone else.  Anyone who hitches their wagon to the teabaggers will be a liability once it fades away or crashes.  The winner will most likely be someone who is under the radar or is playing a minor role in things now.  Frist might support Obamacare but might have a conservative take on it.  If health care is the front and center issue, then it would make sense to have him around and easy for him to capitalize on.

Although we're forgetting the true underdog, Ron Paul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2009, 08:26:02 PM
Definitely there is a chance the Republican nomineee could be someone we aren't targeting at the moment although that would play against recent history. Republicans in modern times have been fairly predictable and targeted in who becomes their nominee. They like to annoit somebody the front runner ahead of time and then have everybody coalesce around them. This doesn't always play out perfectly but that's how they prefer to do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 25, 2009, 08:32:44 PM
I think its important to remember that both T EXP and Phoenix Dark were wrong on virtually every bit of sober analysis they had to offer during the 2008 election. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 25, 2009, 08:35:35 PM
meh.  not worth it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 25, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
He wasn't asking about the legality, just on why people feel entitled to having government-provided fire departments.  Like why it was necessary for American society to survive the 20th century.

It is obvious that you could use that argument to justify government-provided healthcare though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2009, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 25, 2009, 08:35:35 PM
meh.  not worth it.

Haters gonna hate, don't let them get to you man

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
JD:  Read am nintenho's post.  He gets it.  (It feels really weird writing that).  Point is, you're one of the first to explain to us why health care is just a (batch of goods and) service(s), not a right.  How is fire control different?


T EXP:  Look at the modern history of GOP nominees.  Going back to at least Ford, you're talking the person who was the odds-on favorite a year before the convention, and four of the last five (Reagan, Bush I, Dole, McCain) got nominated after being runner-up in the previous cycle.  The sheer amount of money required basically eliminates any late-entry candidates who aren't billionaires (ask Wes Clark about this).



Triumph:  I think Palin and Huckabee are candidates whose support is deeper than it is broad, like Howard Dean or Pat Buchanan back in the day.  I think Romney's gonna do very well with the professional/managerial/ownership wing of the GOP, and I respect his organizational skills and ambition more than the others.

Plus I think he's got a big institutional advantage that nobody's talking about.  Some GOP primaries are winner-take-all and some are proportional.  Against Huck or Palin, he'd do well in the WTA states (NY, CA, NJ, FL), just as McCain did against him.  It's hard to win when all your opponent's victories get credited as shutouts.
Title: Don't like double posting, but this is too good to pass up
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2009, 06:28:55 AM
Quote from: WashingtonPost.com's "On Faith" site
America's secular saboteurs

By Bill Donohue
President, Catholic League

There are many ways cultural nihilists are busy trying to sabotage America these days: multiculturalism is used as a club to beat down Western civilization in the classroom; sexual libertines seek to upend the cultural order by attacking religion; artists use their artistic freedoms to mock Christianity; Hollywood relentlessly insults people of faith; activist left-wing legal groups try to scrub society free of the public expression of religion; elements in the Democratic party demonstrate an animus against Catholicism; and secular-minded malcontents within Catholicism and Protestantism seek to sabotage their religion from the inside.

Yesterday's radicals wanted to tear down the economic structure of capitalism and replace it with socialism, and eventually communism. Today's radicals are intellectually spent: they want to annihilate American culture, having absolutely nothing to put in its place. In that regard, these moral anarchists are an even bigger menace than the Marxists who came before them.

If societal destruction is the goal, then it makes no sense to waste time by attacking the political or economic structure: the key to any society is its culture, and the heart of any culture is religion. In this society, that means Christianity, the big prize being Catholicism. Which explains why secular saboteurs are waging war against it.

When Jesse Jackson led students at Stanford University in the late 1980s screaming, "Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Western Culture's Got to Go," it was a way of undermining this nation's Judeo-Christian heritage. When Yale University returned $20 million to Lee Bass in the 1990s because the faculty objected to its being used to expand its Western civilization curriculum--they wanted multiculturalism--it showed the power of radical secularists.

Sexual libertines, from the Marquis de Sade to radical gay activists, have sought to pervert society by acting out on their own perversions. What motivates them most of all is a pathological hatred of Christianity. They know, deep down, that what they are doing is wrong, and they shudder at the dreaded words, "Thou Shalt Not." But they continue with their death-style anyway.

Secular saboteurs have often seized the arts to make a statement. That's why the blasphemous often tracks the obscene: if the goal is to put an artistic dagger into the heart of culture, then it makes sense to use all the ammo available by attacking the sacred. And they are certainly masters of that art. From scatological artistic exhibitions to the latest obscene installation, the charlatans have succeeded in politicizing the arts and denigrating Christianity.

There was a time when Hollywood made reverential movies about Christianity. But those days are long gone. Now they just insult. And when someone finally makes a film that makes Christians proud, he is run out of town. Were it not for Mel Gibson, there would have been no "Passion of the Christ." But for every Harvey Weinstein who likes to bash Catholics, there is always someone else waiting in the wings to do the same.

The ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State harbor an agenda to smash the last vestiges of Christianity in America. Lying about their real motives, they say their fidelity is to the Constitution. But there is nothing in the Constitution that sanctions the censorship of religious speech. From banning nativity scenes to punishing little kids for painting a picture of Jesus, the zealots give Fidel a good run for his money.

Catholics were once the mainstay of the Democratic Party; now the gay activists are in charge. Indeed, practicing Catholics are no longer welcome in leadership roles in the Party: the contempt that pro-life Catholics experience is palpable. The fact that Catholics for Choice, a notoriously anti-Catholic front group funded by the Ford Foundation, has a close relationship with the Democrats says it all.

Secularists within Catholicism and Protestantism are so out of control that it makes one wonder how any serious-minded person would ever accuse these religions of being oppressive. Insubordination of the most flagrant kind is routinely tolerated in a way that would never be countenanced at the New York Times, yet the bad rap always goes to Christians. We're not talking about those pushing for moderate reforms: we're talking about termites eating away from within.

The only way secular saboteurs can be stopped is by an alliance of religious conservatives across faith lines. The good news is that this is already happening. In the fight over gay marriage, the scorecard is 30-0: traditional Catholics, evangelical Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Christians, Muslims, and Mormons, along with a big contribution from the Latino and African American communities, have succeeded in throwing a roadblock at this crazy idea.

The culture war is up for grabs. The good news is that religious conservatives continue to breed like rabbits, while secular saboteurs have shut down: they're too busy walking their dogs, going to bathhouses and aborting their kids. Time, it seems, is on the side of the angels.


Tell us how you really feel, Bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 26, 2009, 10:40:54 AM
The funny thing is the fast-breeding Christians in this country are the Mexican immigrants
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 26, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
Cry more, Bill. You don't have to be gay to see through the god bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 26, 2009, 11:40:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2009, 11:57:03 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 25, 2009, 08:35:35 PM
meh.  not worth it.

Haters gonna hate, don't let them get to you man

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Eh, getting pissy and digging through the EB archives to find equally bad predictions from others violates the golden rule of Evilbore.

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T EXP:  Look at the modern history of GOP nominees.  Going back to at least Ford, you're talking the person who was the odds-on favorite a year before the convention, and four of the last five (Reagan, Bush I, Dole, McCain) got nominated after being runner-up in the previous cycle.  The sheer amount of money required basically eliminates any late-entry candidates who aren't billionaires (ask Wes Clark about this).

Yeah but what about Giuliani for the 2008 run?  I agree with you about them basically being nominated early on but I have yet to see a leader from the pack emerge.  In the 1970s, from what I gathered, it was pretty much assumed Reagan would go for the Presidency in 1980.  I figured in this post 2008 election, there would be a leader of the opposition, much like Gingrich and Dole when Clinton was in office.  This time, it is news pundits and to a far lesser extent, Huckabee and Bachmann.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2009, 01:50:09 PM
Too bad those rabbits go AWOL from Bill's side once they hit 16 or 17.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2009, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 26, 2009, 11:40:52 AM
Eh, getting pissy and digging through the EB archives to find equally bad predictions from others violates the golden rule of Evilbore.

It does? I thought people do it all there time here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2009, 05:11:54 PM
Public option opt-out will be in senate bill
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/reid-public-option-no-silver-bullet-but-strong-consensus-for-opt-out.php?ref=fpa

*daps Reid*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 26, 2009, 05:45:42 PM
:hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 26, 2009, 06:11:24 PM
Now we can deal with the circus of what states are dumb enough to opt out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on October 26, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
I imagine it'll be the same states that opted out of the stimulus moneys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2009, 06:37:38 PM
(http://memegenerator.net/Instances/525/Advice-Dog-DEMONIZE-LEGISLATION-QUIETLY-ACCEPT-IT-3MO-LATER.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on October 26, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
I don't know what state-by-state insurance prices look like currently, but there certainly won't be parity if some states reject the public option. It will be interesting to see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 26, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on October 26, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
I imagine it'll be the same states that opted out of the stimulus moneys.

Then we'll have a laugh like seven years from now when folks are using the public option and overall health care is better in those states, leading to mass exodus of the dumbass states stupid enough to opt out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2009, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on October 26, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
I imagine it'll be the same states that opted out of the stimulus moneys.

And just like with the stimulus, many of them will come crawling back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2009, 07:27:05 PM
How many states would be in a position to opt out? IE having a republican dominated congress and a republican governor crazy enough to leave ammunition on the table for his opponent to use next election

The PO goes into effect in 2013 and there will be lots of gov races in 2014 hmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on October 26, 2009, 07:34:58 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 26, 2009, 07:10:16 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on October 26, 2009, 06:21:06 PM
I imagine it'll be the same states that opted out of the stimulus moneys.

Then we'll have a laugh like seven years from now when folks are using the public option and overall health care is better in those states, leading to mass exodus of the dumbass states stupid enough to opt out.

Except in spite of all the wah-wahs, none of them opted out. :teehee

This case is a little different though, where a certain group stands to lose quite a bit of money with the implementation of a public option.  It'll probably happen somewhere.  My money is on Kenfucky.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 26, 2009, 08:58:58 PM
Hidden beneath the public option is something many don't realize. The added volume is going to create tens or even hundreds of thousands of well paying jobs benefiting every community's economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 26, 2009, 10:57:47 PM
It's not like the stimulus.  People are a lot more polarized about healtcare, I think it is a lot more likely for a few states to go ahead and opt out for a few years.  A part of me actually kind of wants to see that happen just to see the fallout.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2009, 10:58:42 PM
Me too, and just when I was thinking that South Carolina couldn't possibly become MORE of a backwards hellhole...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 26, 2009, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on October 26, 2009, 08:58:58 PM
Hidden beneath the public option is something many don't realize. The added volume is going to create tens or even hundreds of thousands of well paying jobs benefiting every community's economy.

Conservatives don't give a shit about that.

I could see quite a few states opting out and it being a hot button issue for a few governor's races in several other states before the option (or lack of an option) gets solidified.  I don't expect much of a fallout from them because there are already a few shit holes the rest of the US writes off anyway, like Mississippi or Oklahoma.  These places already have the lowest qualities of life; staying back just an inch or two behind where they already are at by denying the public option won't matter.

Once public option produces results, a few years down the line, a future Congress will just make it an option for all states.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 27, 2009, 02:17:08 AM
Bill Kristol says in his monthly Washington Post column that Republicans are going to continue to be unapologetically conservative because not only is it the right thing to do, but it's what the people are demanding! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102602651.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2009, 02:29:17 AM
Can't wait for Hoffman to play spoiler in the NY-23 election, helping the democrat to win. There will be so much egg-on-face, from Palin to Gingrich to far fight blogs/Rush etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on October 27, 2009, 04:17:16 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 27, 2009, 02:17:08 AM
Bill Kristol says in his monthly Washington Post column that Republicans are going to continue to be unapologetically conservative because not only is it the right thing to do, but it's what the people are demanding! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102602651.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

That seems to be the conventional wisdom on the right.

Right after the election, there was a bit of talk from some conservatives about broadening the party's appeal, looking for new approaches, yadda yadda.  There was a moment where the movement's elites could have looked around and thought "We've taken two consecutive beatings, we're as popular as herpes among the fastest-growing demographics, we did a horrible job while in office and now that you mention it, yes, half of us are completely unfit to join civilized society."

There wasn't much navel-gazing, but it stopped almost entirely right around when Glenn Beck started catching on.  There's a blog called The Next Right (http://www.thenextright.com/), dedicated towards forward-looking rightwingishness, which was getting about a half-dozen posts a day this time last year.  Now it's got ten posts for this entire month.

Instead of making changes, they're just going to stick with the old formula and keep telling each other how they need to Get Back To Basics and only lost cause they Abandoned Their Principles.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2009, 06:10:33 AM
So if this were a sport, they'd be trading in Michael Steele for...who exactly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 27, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 27, 2009, 04:17:16 AM
Quote from: Willco on October 27, 2009, 02:17:08 AM
Bill Kristol says in his monthly Washington Post column that Republicans are going to continue to be unapologetically conservative because not only is it the right thing to do, but it's what the people are demanding! (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/26/AR2009102602651.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

That seems to be the conventional wisdom on the right.

Right after the election, there was a bit of talk from some conservatives about broadening the party's appeal, looking for new approaches, yadda yadda.  There was a moment where the movement's elites could have looked around and thought "We've taken two consecutive beatings, we're as popular as herpes among the fastest-growing demographics, we did a horrible job while in office and now that you mention it, yes, half of us are completely unfit to join civilized society."

There wasn't much navel-gazing, but it stopped almost entirely right around when Glenn Beck started catching on.  There's a blog called The Next Right (http://www.thenextright.com/), dedicated towards forward-looking rightwingishness, which was getting about a half-dozen posts a day this time last year.  Now it's got ten posts for this entire month.

Instead of making changes, they're just going to stick with the old formula and keep telling each other how they need to Get Back To Basics and only lost cause they Abandoned Their Principles.  Good luck with that.

The religious right seems to be making some attempts.  Going from the articles, a few groups seem to be aiming at bringing Hispanic Catholics into the religious right fold and acknowledging that there needs to be some kind of change to the energy policies we have now:

http://www.cc.org/olcampaign/america039s_path_progress

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/10/23/a-new-voice-for-comprehensive-immigration-reform-religious-conservatives.html

The teabaggers are apparently the ones relying on kamikaze missions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 27, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2009, 06:10:33 AM
So if this were a sport, they'd be trading in Michael Steele for...who exactly
future second round draft picks, just to unload his contract really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 27, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
Well, Lieberman fucked everyone's chances for universal heathcare. Good jon, you big dumb Jew.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: Willco on October 27, 2009, 03:33:37 PM
Well, Lieberman fucked everyone's chances for universal heathcare. Good jon, you big dumb Jew.

FFFFFUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2009, 04:21:32 PM
Jesus Christ, THIS IS WHY WE WANTED HIM BITCH SLAPPED AND STRIPPED OF HIS COMMITTEE CHAIRMANSHIP AFTER CAMPAIGNING FOR MCCAIN YOU STUPID FUCKING DEMS

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Christ, what an asshole
Post by: Mandark on October 27, 2009, 04:29:33 PM
It's still up in the air what parts of the process (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/10/gaming_out_joes_threat.php) Lieberman's going to vote against.  I remember he voted for cloture for the bankruptcy bill but against the bill itself, and that was a mostly Republican piece of legislation.

Remember when he was running against Ned Lamont?  Remember how everyone said that if you just put the war aside he was such a good, solid liberal on domestic policy?

Triumph:  He'd still be able to pull this crap without his subcommittee chair.  He'd probably do it a lot more if he were sulking from a perceived slight.  That said, they gotta line up behind a challenger in '12.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2009, 04:40:36 PM
Jesus Christ, someone needs to announce NOW that they're running against him so he'll start voting more in line with the party.  That's what Specter did after Sestak started attacking him from the left and said he was going to primary him.

Lamont- announce now while everyone hates him and let's do some polling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 27, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 27, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
This is what I imagine you guys sound like when you circle jerk each other in this thread.
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 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 27, 2009, 05:00:12 PM
Quit leeching off us, FoC, and pay for your own damn firefighters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 27, 2009, 05:01:37 PM
lol u mad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2009, 06:39:41 PM
fucking moochers...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2009, 07:05:51 PM
Posting it again

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Note that [lieberman] says he would vote to proceed to the bill -- just not to move to final passage. There will be several turning points:

1. Cloture vote cutting off debate on the motion to proceed to the health care bill (60 votes);

2. Motion to proceed to the bill (50 votes, may be waived if we get cloture);

3. Amendments to modify the public option piece, e.g. to a trigger (likely requiring 60 votes);

4. Cloture vote to end debate on the bill and move to final passage (60 votes); and

5. Final passage of the bill (50 votes).

Lieberman says that he'll vote with Leadership through #1 and #2. If the other 59 Dems do so as well, that gets the Senate on to the bill. Once the Senate's on the bill, it will likely take 60 votes to water down the opt-out, #3 above. And those efforts will occur under the threat by Lieberman, and perhaps others, to deny 60 votes for #4.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/10/gaming_out_joes_threat.php?ref=mp

Lincoln sounds iffy as well. And the GOP is pouncing
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At a press conference this afternoon, McDonnell compared the idea to another tortured line that cost a Democrat an election. "We all recall Senator Kerry's strained way in the 2004 campaign of explaining why he voted for it before he voted against it," McConnell said. "And I think it is perfectly clear that most Americans will treat the vote to get on the bill as a vote on the substance of the bill."

"So our view is that cloture on the motion to proceed to the bill is a vote to endorse a half a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts, $400 billion in new taxes, and higher insurance -- health insurance premiums for everyone else," McConnell continued.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/mcconnell-says-a-vote-for-cloture-is-a-vote-for-health-care-reform.php?ref=tn

They seem to think it's still August when no one knew what the public option was.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 28, 2009, 03:09:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2009, 06:10:33 AM
So if this were a sport, they'd be trading in Michael Steele for...who exactly

That would just be scapegoating the manager.

The GOP's a team that had a good run, but did it by trading away their draft picks and killing their cap space over the next few years.  They can cut bait now and start rebuilding, clearing space and trying to make themselves a more attractive destination for free agents, or they can keep telling themselves that their formula has worked in the past, and give everyone on their team extensions.

Also, you can't expect to win in any real sport with a roster full of white guys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:37:13 AM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx# (http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx#)
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Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.

(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/kbbslvggvkexv3o8tr8f8q.gif)



http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/27/gallups-conservatives-and-libertarians/ (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/27/gallups-conservatives-and-libertarians/)
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Combining the responses to those two questions, Gallup found the ideological breakdown of the public shown below. With these two broad questions, Gallup consistently finds about 20 percent of respondents to be libertarian.

(http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/wp-content/uploads/libertarianchart.jpg)

Evilbore am Cry.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2009, 10:39:35 AM
36 + 20 >40 :smug

Article is misleading.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2009, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.
No, the article says that conservatives are outnumbering moderates and liberals but only when you split them up. My point is non conservatives still outnumber conservatives.

BTW, it will be your tears being shed. The GOP has shown itself as the monster in the room. Continue voting against your own interests FOC, you've been brainwashed to what you are told. you can go galt anytime. What's holding you back? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:54:18 AM

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Continue voting against your own interests FOC, you've been brainwashed to what you are told.

I'm a sheeple! When will michael more wake me up!! Oh the horror!
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2009, 11:01:58 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

Yet in poll after poll, Republican party identification is lower than it's ever been.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 28, 2009, 11:01:58 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

Yet in poll after poll, Republican party identification is lower than it's ever been.  :smug

Which would mean there is a problem with the party and not the ideology.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 28, 2009, 11:13:23 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

Let's go down the issues bullet point by bullet point and see just how "moderate :smug" these "moderates :smug" really are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 28, 2009, 11:01:58 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

Yet in poll after poll, Republican party identification is lower than it's ever been.  :smug

Which would mean there is a problem with the party and not the ideology.

I wonder how the roughly 3/5 of America who want a public option across almost all of the reputable polls convince themselves that it's a conservative position, then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 28, 2009, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 28, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 11:03:43 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 28, 2009, 11:01:58 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Liberals think moderates=liberals!!  :lol :lol

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

Yet in poll after poll, Republican party identification is lower than it's ever been.  :smug

Which would mean there is a problem with the party and not the ideology.

I wonder how the roughly 3/5 of America who want a public option across almost all of the reputable polls convince themselves that it's a conservative position, then.

More than 3/4ths support it if it's triggered or only available to low income people. Weird!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 11:54:38 AM
Where are you guys getting these statistics from? Huffington post?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 28, 2009, 11:56:59 AM
I believe the most recent public option poll was from ABC/Washington Post



Here's an older one from Survey USA
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=5ba17aa2-f1b9-4445-a6b8-62b9d1ba8693

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In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance--extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?

58% extremely important
19% quite important
22% combined unimportant
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 12:04:05 PM
It's not that cut and dry.
http://www.gallup.com/tag/Healthcare.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/tag/Healthcare.aspx)

(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/9vwyglxwteohdyd6jv08og.gif)

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The finding comes from a USA Today/Gallup poll conducted Oct. 16-19. In addition to the 39% of Americans still on the fence, 25% say they have already decided to support the final bill while a slightly larger number, 33%, say they will oppose it.

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Compared with last month, Americans have become more likely to say the costs their family pays for healthcare will get worse if a healthcare bill passes. Forty-nine percent of Americans say this, up from 42% in September. Meanwhile, the percentage who expect their costs to improve is unchanged.

Quote
Americans are more likely to say that their own healthcare costs, coverage, insurance requirements, and quality of care will get worse than get better if a healthcare bill passes this year.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2009, 12:36:45 PM
"Libertarian" is just a buzzword for an independent.

If 23% of voters truly were Libertarians in 2008, the Libertarian Party would get more than 0.4% of the popular vote last year.  Ron Paul would have received more than single digit results in many of the state primaries.

I would also say that moderates = liberals these days.  The GOP is doing their very best to push themselves as far to the right as possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 28, 2009, 12:40:32 PM
T EXP annihilated FlameOfCallandor, but what else is new.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
Also, conservative doesn't simply equal republican - especially with only a fifth of the country willing to identify themselves as republican. smh

edit: the hc poll merely shows that when people don't know what the plan is ("based on what you know lolol") they support it less. When the public option or the thing about pre-existing conditions are explained, support goes up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
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Compared with last month, Americans have become more likely to say the costs their family pays for healthcare will get worse if a healthcare bill passes. Forty-nine percent of Americans say this, up from 42% in September. Meanwhile, the percentage who expect their costs to improve is unchanged.

Thanks largely to the huge amount of FUD dished out by the GOP media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 28, 2009, 02:00:28 PM
When is a respectable outlet like MSNBC or CNN going to spring Shep Smith from Fox News? :lol

[youtube=560,345]OGefbh2osMQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2009, 02:06:03 PM
He must be banging someone high up on the Fox News food chain to still keep his job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 28, 2009, 02:06:44 PM
Yeah, I don't get it. I thought he was going to get axed after that whole affair when he was mocking Glenn Beck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
I bet he's paid to seem fair. Didn't he drop the f bomb live...
[youtube=560,345]OjCzfGm0njM[/youtube]
...without getting suspended?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
Shep needs to have his own news network with just him doing news and stuff all day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on October 28, 2009, 02:26:00 PM
Hopefully he steps it up soon and moves on to anchor the Naked News. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2009, 02:43:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
I bet he's paid to seem fair. Didn't he drop the f bomb live...
[youtube=560,345]OjCzfGm0njM[/youtube]
...without getting suspended?



IIRC that wasn't on the channel and never was aired, it was for a radio show.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on October 28, 2009, 04:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 28, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
I wonder how the roughly 3/5 of America who want a public option across almost all of the reputable polls convince themselves that it's a conservative position, then.

The only 3/5ths FoC cares about is the one the Founding Fathers described in the Constitution!   :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2009, 06:08:59 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18246475&posted=1#post18246475

paging The EXP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Robo on October 28, 2009, 06:23:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 28, 2009, 04:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 28, 2009, 11:13:47 AM
I wonder how the roughly 3/5 of America who want a public option across almost all of the reputable polls convince themselves that it's a conservative position, then.

The only 3/5ths FoC cares about is the one the Founding Fathers described in the Constitution!   :american

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2009, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2009, 06:08:59 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=18246475&posted=1#post18246475

paging The EXP

Got your PM.

That post was made because it turned out he was beholden to special interests just like the other senators.  Pulling the "New America" card is difficult when you're bought and paid for by the same groups that are paying the old guard as well.  The thing about the black President is that because of this new (well, new to me then) revelation, that I wasn't going to vote for a special interest purchased candidate.  I would have most likely voted for Ralph Nader at that time.  I still might have if Hillary got the nomination!  I didn't want to seem like a racist if I picked Nader over Obama (if I were to vote right then and there) hence the disclaimer.

It was during my idealistic phase of hoping for a clean senator and clean presidential run.  My views are different now because it is essentially impossible to be perfectly clean on Capitol Hill, most especially a Presidential campaign.  Shades of gray I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 28, 2009, 07:00:38 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 12:04:05 PM
It's not that cut and dry.


oh I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about rates of "conservatism" vs rates of approval of the public option. Not rates of approval on the messy hodgepodge bill that's currently being proposed.

For all you know the bulk of the people disapproving of the current bill in your poll feel that way because the public option is too weak.


I like how when people call you an idiot for conflating 'being conservative' with 'voting republican in 2010 and 2012,' your first reaction is to conflate 'support for the current direction of health care reform' with 'support for the public option' with 'voting republican in 2010 and 2012.'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2009, 07:58:24 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9WXPgpaV9I[/youtube]

"Hey, I got nothing against gay people, except the fact that they're all pedophiles."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 28, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
Joe the Plumber :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on October 29, 2009, 01:08:50 AM
Blue Cross/Blue Shield of NC raises premiums by 11%.
Blue Cross/Blue Shield of NC sends out fliers urging recipients to mail pre-printed, postage-paid notes to NC Senator to reject "unfair competition" from proposed government plan.

Backfire.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2009/10/28/article/insurer_says_timing_of_mailings_unfortunate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 29, 2009, 10:52:14 AM
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunkers_analysis/index.htm)


Clunkers: Taxpayers paid $24,000 per car
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The average rebate was $4,000. But the overwhelming majority of sales would have taken place anyway at some time in the last half of 2009, according to Edmunds.com. That means the government ended up spending about $24,000 each for those 125,000 additional vehicle sales


:bow Government planning
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 29, 2009, 11:16:43 AM
If only 125,000 of the 690,000 clunkers sales were actually customers who wouldn't have bought a car this year anyway, then auto sales would have completely collapsed in September instead of being about the same as the pre-clunkers rate.

Of course, you can't read.

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Still, auto sales contributed heavily to the economy's expansion in the third quarter, adding 1.7 percentage points to the nation's gross domestic product growth.

...

"The whole purpose of the program was to provide some kind of catalyst to kick-start the economy," he said, "and by all accounts the extra production that was added this year was a boost to the economy."

Manufacturers added shifts at factories(at no cost to the taxpayer), dealership owners added shifts for their salesmen (at no cost to the taxpayer), and hundreds of thousands of high-emissions , low-FE vehicles were taken off the roads.



Anyway, here is Edmunds' reasoning

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In order to determine whether these sales would have happened anyway, Edmunds.com analysts looked at sales of luxury cars and other vehicles not included under the Clunkers program.

Using traditional relationships between sales volumes of those vehicles and the types of vehicles sold under Cash for Clunkers, Edmunds.com projected what sales would normally have been during the Cash for Clunkers period and in the weeks after.

So if you went to a dealership with a clunker trade in mind, and for any reason your car was not an eligible clunker, or you chose to buy a car that was not eligible under the program, then Edmunds says the program had no influence on you. In fact, it is a GOOD thing that this program increased traffic even among those not ultimately receiving the government handout. That's the taxpayer getting more than they paid for.

You can't use numbers likely to be inflated by an outside influence to determine what overall sales would be with that influence removed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on October 29, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

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Republican Party favorability

            Fav   Unfav

All         21    67
South     48    37
NE           6    87
Midwest  10    78
West      12    75

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...27_NBCPoll.pdf

You were saying? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2009, 11:44:08 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 29, 2009, 11:16:43 AM
.

FOC annihilated yet again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on October 29, 2009, 11:50:38 AM
So basically taxpayers payed $24,000 per car to increase traffic and get a few extra shifts at the dealership.

At least it's not temporary... oh wait.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2009, 12:15:42 PM
wow, you really are a fucking nut
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2009, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on October 29, 2009, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 28, 2009, 10:41:46 AM

2010 and 2012 are going to be such glorious year. Can't wait to taste your butt hurt tears.

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Republican Party favorability

            Fav   Unfav

All         21    67
South     48    37
NE           6    87
Midwest  10    78
West      12    75

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Se...27_NBCPoll.pdf

You were saying? :smug

That is why I didn't get why some people were pissed that so many southern states wanted to secede again.  I think they should and see if they can take Utah with them.

Also, the GOP being completely toxic (except for the south but who gives a fuck about them) as a party is unsurprising.  There is no clear leadership whatsoever - it consists of roving bands of gangs committed to political guerrilla warfare, focused only on winning little battles here and there with absolutely no long term planning.  It might work for them in 2010 but it will get them killed in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 29, 2009, 12:23:54 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on October 29, 2009, 11:50:38 AM
So basically taxpayers payed $24,000 per car to increase traffic and get a few extra shifts at the dealership.

At least it's not temporary... oh wait.

Did you or did you not look at where that $24,000 figure was derived? They got it by saying that 5/6ths of clunker purchases just don't count and then multiplying the clunker rebate by 6.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 29, 2009, 02:48:23 PM
Is it just me or did it seem like they hyped the environmental benefit of cash for clunkers more than the economic one?  I ask because it doesn't seem that there's any way for the CO2 created by manufacturing an entirely new car will be offset by saving a few mpg.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2009, 08:05:47 PM
Not that anyone is surprised but the birther movement appears to be rapidly approaching it's deathbed. (http://rawstory.com/2009/10/birther-lawyer-witnesses-lie/)  Now O'Reilly is ridiculing the movement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on October 29, 2009, 08:13:48 PM
This is my favorite part:

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On her Web site, Taitz wrote, "Keep in mind, what OReilly did, is more dangerous, more harmful then what some idiots like Rachel Maddow or Keith [Olbermann] did, since people believe O’Reilly to be fair and balanced."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 30, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
I really wanna see O'Reilly's piece on this, little help?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2009, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:00:15 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 30, 2009, 02:42:30 PM
I really wanna see O'Reilly's piece on this, little help?

Just follow the link, dude.

There's nothing surprising or novel here.  O'Reilly was shrugging this notion off nearly a year ago.  Even the much-maligned Beck looks at the birthers with distaste. 

"much-maligned" vs. "objectively fucking bonkers"

Just another little insight into JayDubya's mind as not really libertarian "strict originialist" above it all but just another conservo-cunt looking to justify his cuntitude. (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378146)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2009, 11:37:30 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth

and hope I'll spawn twins so I can kill two fetuses with one coathanger!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 30, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth?

Seriously, exercise your second amendment right to eat a pistol.

Could you stop losing your shit every time someone makes a follow up to one of your posts?  Even FOC takes it better than you and he gets annihilated every post he makes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 30, 2009, 11:50:14 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 30, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth?

Seriously, exercise your second amendment right to eat a pistol.

Could you stop losing your shit every time someone makes a follow up to one of your posts?  Even FOC takes it better than you and he gets annihilated every post he makes.

What follow-up?  Fucktard here couldn't make a point if his life depended on it.

You have the tendency to fly off the handle if someone doesn't agree with your viewpoints.  All that does is increase the amount of shit you catch.  Just saying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2009, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 30, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth?

Seriously, exercise your second amendment right to eat a pistol.

Could you stop losing your shit every time someone makes a follow up to one of your posts?  Even FOC takes it better than you and he gets annihilated every post he makes.

What follow-up?  Fucktard here couldn't make a point if his life depended on it.

Moral indignity is a lot more effective coming from people that aren't amoral.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2009, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2009, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 30, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth?

Seriously, exercise your second amendment right to eat a pistol.

Could you stop losing your shit every time someone makes a follow up to one of your posts?  Even FOC takes it better than you and he gets annihilated every post he makes.

What follow-up?  Fucktard here couldn't make a point if his life depended on it.

Moral indignity is alot more effective coming from people that aren't amoral.

If that were true, you'd spare us all your bullshit.  Or maybe you just don't care about your efficacy.

Who is this "us" you speak of?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2009, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2009, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2009, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 30, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth?

Seriously, exercise your second amendment right to eat a pistol.

Could you stop losing your shit every time someone makes a follow up to one of your posts?  Even FOC takes it better than you and he gets annihilated every post he makes.

What follow-up?  Fucktard here couldn't make a point if his life depended on it.

Moral indignity is alot more effective coming from people that aren't amoral.

If that were true, you'd spare us all your bullshit.  Or maybe you just don't care about your efficacy.

Who is this "us" you speak of?

Anyone caught in the radius of tragedy that you produce.

Well that's what your Uncle's badger said about your Aunt!

Wait, this isn't Monkey Island?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 31, 2009, 12:05:43 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 31, 2009, 12:01:10 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2009, 11:57:36 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2009, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2009, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: T EXP on October 30, 2009, 11:41:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 30, 2009, 11:35:01 PM
You fuck your incestuous whore of a mother with that mouth?

Seriously, exercise your second amendment right to eat a pistol.

Could you stop losing your shit every time someone makes a follow up to one of your posts?  Even FOC takes it better than you and he gets annihilated every post he makes.

What follow-up?  Fucktard here couldn't make a point if his life depended on it.

Moral indignity is alot more effective coming from people that aren't amoral.

If that were true, you'd spare us all your bullshit.  Or maybe you just don't care about your efficacy.

Who is this "us" you speak of?

Anyone caught in the radius of tragedy that you produce.

Well that's what you're Uncle's badger said about your Aunt!

Wait? This isn't Monkey Island?

"... that's what you are Uncle's badger said..."

Humor is a lot more effective coming from people that aren't dumbfucks.

lol, your worldview is hinging on a typo before I even read it back and modified it.

Your power bar is turning red.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2009, 12:10:10 AM
So, uh, how about that Obama?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2009, 01:14:09 AM
jaydubya, most people in that thread just wanted you to admit that you were wrong in saying that scalia was completely a strict originalist when interpreting the constitution, specifically wrt Heller V. DC.  I initially made it pretty clear that I thought that you and Scalia were capable of making lucid, well-thought out arguments supporting most all of your decisions/beliefs.  However, when we make simple, factual arguments showing how he can not have used the same legal philosophy on all of his decisions, you abandoned the thread.  It makes people lose faith in your reasoning abilities the next time you enter a political thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on October 31, 2009, 01:24:03 AM
Oh, JayDubya. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2009, 01:59:36 AM
PROTIP:  If someone applies their "philosophy" selectively, then it's called a "justification".

In 90-odd percent of the politically charged cases that come before him, Scalia reaches conclusions that gel with standard American conservatism.  If he can construct an originalist argument to get there he will.  If he can't, he'll get there anyway.

Sometimes, he just says outright moronic (http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/04/court-upholds-fccs-draconian-speech.html) things which nobody can pretend are tied to some set of judicial principles.  Guy's a clown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2009, 02:11:59 AM
Yeah yeah.  We already know which aspects of libertarianism are the important ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2009, 02:38:54 AM
I remember some ruling Scalia made where he basically stated it was "beyond satire" (his words) that toxic chemicals can't be transmitted through the soil into groundwater.  Which is funny because I took an entire class on that.

The man has his lips wrapped around the collective corporate cock.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2009, 03:18:07 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 31, 2009, 02:18:14 AM
The dude who cheerleads for the principle of textualism but imperfectly / inconsistently applies it is still better than the dude that has no principle.
"I mean, isn't it arguable that the best place for -- for really toxic stuff is at the bottom of a lake so long as it stays there . . ."

I don't think he really cares how he has to "justify" his decisions.  It seems that the originalist argument would support his views more often and that that is the only reason why he claims to support that principle of textualism and whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2009, 03:43:24 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 31, 2009, 02:18:14 AM
The dude who cheerleads for the principle of textualism but imperfectly / inconsistently applies it is still better than the dude that has no principle.

If he applies it inconsistently, then it's not a principle.  He does what he wants to based on his political biases and, when it's convenient for him, pays lip service to something you actually believe in.

Were I a libertarian, I'd be pretty damn livid about Republican hacks like Scalia who appropriate the language of my philosophy to further their own agendas.

Actual libertarians don't seem to have this problem, I think because 1) they're only really animated by the injustice of people getting social services, or 2) they'd rather not face up to their status as a fringe movement, and filing the Scalias of the world under "Flawed Allies" rather than "Sanctimonious Tories" makes them feel less alone.  It's understandable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 31, 2009, 10:27:55 AM
I can't believe he codified that small town vs big city bullshit into a fucking Supreme Court opinion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
Shit just got real.(Mandark, this is a link.  Click it, you colorblind bastard.) (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/ny-23-goper-scozzafava-suspends-campaign.php)

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In a huge development in the NY-23 special election, Republican candidate Dede Scozzafava has announced that she is suspending her campaign, citing an inability to win in light of recent polls and a lack of money -- leaving this race as a vote between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, and a strong message that the Republican Party can no longer nominate moderate candidates, or else face a right-wing revolt.

Scozzafava told the Watertown Daily Times that the new Siena poll, which said she was in third place, meant that she would be unable to catch up with Owens and Hoffman.

Hooray for purity purges!  No place for tolerating teh gheyz or abortion rights in today's GOP!  This needs to be broadcast far and wide, I think.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2009, 06:11:52 PM
Hoffman is probably going to win, which is a good thing imo. I'd love to see more hyper-conservative types come out the woodworks, splintering the GOP while scaring off moderates.
Title: Don't make me write a flowchart
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2009, 07:03:16 PM
JD, I don't know how I can explain this more simply.

Scalia does not share your philosophy.  Scalia does not have a philosophy, other than his conservative leanings.

If he only speaks the language of originalism when it gives him a favorable result, then he's not using it as a judicial philosophy, he's using it as a fig leaf.  It had nothing to do with his decision process, and everything to do with ex post facto justification.

Yeah, I know that he talks up originalism in his public speaking appearances.  Bush talked about a commitment to spreading democracy.  That doesn't mean that was his "real" philosophy, and that his policies towards all of our ME allies were exceptions.

It just meant that he, like Scalia, wanted people to see him as a man of principle rather than a grubby practitioner of realpolitik.  Don't be duped by it.



PS  "Oh yeah, well since the world is so binary, I bet you totally love this other guy, right?"  You bitch about me making you explain actual positions you took, then expect me to defend someone I've never said boo about?  Motes and beams, duder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 31, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
man, how did i miss all this awesomeness
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2009, 08:09:37 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on October 31, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
man, how did i miss all this awesomeness

i dunno, i guess i slept on the Scalia thread in question.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2009, 09:37:28 PM
So does HOW somebody defends a philosophy (that you may agree with) matter at all to you?  I mean if you're on the supreme court, your decision-making process kind of matters to most people because you are on the supreme fucking court.  You will influence how other people in the future interpret the law and constitution and perhaps even the environmental impact of toxic waste.  ya know?

Just I dunno, maybe these guys don't get hired to just vote on their gut.  The arguments that they throw around might matter a little.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 31, 2009, 09:47:04 PM
originalism and textualism frequently come into conflict, so i'm not sure why you're forward-slashing the two, unless you're trying to point out that scalia really is a self-contradicting toolbox and that it's okay.

(of course, i support neither textualism nor originalism, since they're wholly disingenuous and our best amendments came about by contradicting much of the original body of the constitution, both in text and in intent. still, arguing from the minds of the founding fathers, who we know less about with each passing day -- and better yet, trying to reconcile it with the English language of the period -- seems like hilarious dogmatic wanking. the difference between idiots like scalia and the folks advocating the kjv bible grows more and more confused every time the former opens his senile yap.)

all documents should evolve with their people. if that means everyone gets a free ride and queers hump your kids in schoolyards and fetuses are fired out of cannons at the special olympics, so be it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
The Constitution is awesome and infallible- it tells me that Pee Dee only counts for 3/5 of a real, white person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2009, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on October 31, 2009, 10:34:32 PM
The Constitution is awesome and infallible- it tells me that Pee Dee only counts for 3/5 of a real, white person.

That's how god intended it to be  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2009, 10:53:31 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on October 31, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
The constitution would be cool if it were like, ice cream, or something useful.

Terlet paper, even.  Hell, Bush basically treated it as such for 8 years, and now you have people who still won't apologize for voting for him twice or admit he did anything wrong screeching about how their Constitutional right to live without a Black President is being violated, etc etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2009, 11:22:13 PM
Overly moralistic teetotalers are progressive now!  Oh revisionist history, thou art DELICIOUS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2009, 11:37:56 PM
True or false: noted socialist, and probably worse President ever according to you FDR campaigned on repealing prohibition and Annheiser Busch's first shipment of beer post repeal went to him in the White House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 01, 2009, 12:16:07 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 31, 2009, 10:01:30 PM

Contracts don't just magically change terms because those beholden to the terms want them to.

WAT

given that we the people are both owners and deliverers of said contract, of course we can -- and are supposed to! -- renegotiate it. do i need to remind you what books to read again

or do the numinous spirits of the founding fathers own the contract

sometimes i really wonder if you aren't actually a religious man

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2009, 12:28:36 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 31, 2009, 11:57:36 PM
Point the first, why, yes, FDR was a vile piece of shit.



?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 01, 2009, 12:32:25 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 31, 2009, 11:57:36 PM
Point the first, why, yes, FDR was a vile piece of shit.

Point the second, prohibition was very much so promoted as social justice against those mean ol' fat cats in the beer corporations selling poison to our children.  It was aimed at using governmental power to abolish what was viewed as one of the chief ills of mankind, and thus, improve society.  (See also: Bryan, William Jennings)

Very much so the same sort of blind, utopian, nanny state stupidity found in "progressives" of the modern era.


You view the concept of using government to interfere in people's personal choices and correct moral ills in society as closest a modern progressive philosophy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 01, 2009, 12:35:54 AM
unless they are choosing to murder adorable baby fetuses, of course, and then jaydubya becomes quite progressive
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 01, 2009, 01:07:29 AM
It's odd that almost no one in Canada subscribes to originalism when the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is literally as old as I am. I say that it's odd because if you want to know know what those who drafted or ratified it meant, you could fucking ask them (in fact, my constitutional prof was involved in both its drafting and ratification). You don't have to attempt to discern the intent of people who died hundreds of years ago in a radically different society with different values and goals.

Quote from: Professor Prole on November 01, 2009, 12:35:54 AM
unless they are choosing to murder adorable baby fetuses, of course, and then jaydubya becomes quite progressive
No, Drinky, don't!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 01, 2009, 01:20:38 AM
hence, it's disingenuous! UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUASI-RELIGIOUS REVERENCE FOR A DOCUMENT hmm hmm.

also, HAPPY HALLOWEEN MANDARK AND MALEK!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 01, 2009, 01:49:23 AM
Wanting to change the law makes you a "progressive".  That includes the teetotalers and FDR.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 01, 2009, 01:52:04 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 01, 2009, 01:49:23 AM
Wanting to change the law makes you a "progressive".  That includes the teetotalers and FDR.

I have no idea whether you're being serious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 01, 2009, 01:55:12 AM
Quote from: Malek on November 01, 2009, 01:52:04 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 01, 2009, 01:49:23 AM
Wanting to change the law makes you a "progressive".  That includes the teetotalers and FDR.

I have no idea whether you're being serious.
I am actually being serious.  The literal definition of the word just means that you want to change things.  Obviously, mostly liberal people are considered "progressives" today but it sounds like jw's just arguing about the literal definition of the word and not on the religious motivation that many prohibition advocates had.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 01, 2009, 08:50:48 AM
Someone needs to print the constitution on toilet paper.  I'd buy a few rolls.

The Constitution worked was written in the late 1700s and reflects that.  However, it is obvious that Madison and Co. realized that in a changing world, the constitution should change along with it, which is why you could add amendments and have the Supreme Court rule on it as well (see stuff like Marbury vs. Madison).  If the creators of the constitution understood this right after they designed it, why don't Libertarians 200 years later?  Given their comments on welfare and commercial trade, I'm not even sure that the average internet Libertarian even read the Constitution.  I mean, if these guys hold it up to be a sacred parchment, at least they should read the thing.

FDR being a "vile piece of shit" makes me LOL.  I'm guessing JayDubya thinks Hoover and Coolidge were top notch Presidents.

Edit: Anyways, I found this story to be pretty interesting. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33547784/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)  Maybe people are just writing it off as an "LOL Detroit" story but I expected more controversy and attention towards this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 01, 2009, 10:11:08 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 01, 2009, 01:55:12 AM
Quote from: Malek on November 01, 2009, 01:52:04 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 01, 2009, 01:49:23 AM
Wanting to change the law makes you a "progressive".  That includes the teetotalers and FDR.

I have no idea whether you're being serious.
I am actually being serious.  The literal definition of the word just means that you want to change things.  Obviously, mostly liberal people are considered "progressives" today but it sounds like jw's just arguing about the literal definition of the word and not on the religious motivation that many prohibition advocates had.

Is this the thinking behind "Hiter was really a liberal!"

Laws that change the status-quo can also be regressive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 01, 2009, 10:14:29 AM
I don't know why you guys even try with JayDubya. He's not even funny to mock like FlameOfCallandor, because he's semi-sentient, which just makes me pity him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2009, 11:58:39 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 01, 2009, 10:14:29 AM
I don't know why you guys even try with JayDubya

This. It's the exact same discussion every single time. I'm not even taking sides on which side is right or wrong even though its pretty clear where I stand. 

It's just an utterly useless excercise even for internet discussions which are pretty useless anyway. To have a real discussion there has to be some common ground. If there isn't, it might as well be people arguing in different languages. Which these "conversations" quickly devolve into.

But then maybe honestly that's the point. I'm slowly but surely coming to the mindset that political discussion on the internet is simply the new version of sports talk. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2009, 12:01:55 PM
Just because the bear does the same thing everytime you poke it with a stick doesn't mean it's not still fun.
Title: Weebles Wobble but they don't fall down
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 01, 2009, 12:03:08 PM
It's mostly the quick fix satisfaction of taking on the lowest hanging fruit who seems almost suspiciously compliant in being wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2009, 12:04:02 PM
I still remember fondly when I finally got him to address the tyranny of circumcision.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 01, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
SM: These arguments rarely start spontaneously.  It is always started by one side, typically in the method of threadcrapping: where they walk into a thread, present a starkly contrarian viewpoint, and then berate the other side until you get into these ideological arguments like the last couple of pages.

Other conservatives don't seem to have as much problem as FOC and JayDubya and the similarity is obvious: their penchant for shitting all over well functioning threads and then berating the majority side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
For what its worth I'm not trying to come off as above it.

I've slung my share of shit. It's just after awhile its ground hog day everyday.

Slightly off topic but what happened to my boy Siamese Dreamer. I got a message from him on XBL a few weeks ago but he never seems to post anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2009, 12:21:25 PM
I think we broke his spirit.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 01, 2009, 12:35:56 PM
I bet I can bring him out of the woodwork by saying that abortion is an alienable right, and terminating an unwanted pregnancy is just as meaningless as removing a cyst.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 01, 2009, 10:21:22 PM
Last chance and final long shot to try to get the Kucinich / Single-Payer Amendment added to the health care bill. (http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/11778)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 01, 2009, 11:04:17 PM
Well, if it's a typo that got you out from whatever rock you reside under, then that'll do too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2009, 11:25:20 PM
What's that? We just post on EB and collect our ObamaCash  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2009, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 01, 2009, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 01, 2009, 12:03:08 PM
It's mostly the quick fix satisfaction of taking on the lowest hanging fruit who seems almost suspiciously compliant in being wrong.

End yourself, you self-righteous fuck.

oooo, Oooo, OOOO, hot steamy irony

*rubs nipples*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 02, 2009, 01:42:49 AM
jaydub, are you arguing that both thsoe who blamed alcohol for domestic violence and the first guy to take a legal drink should be filed under "progressive".  If so, maybe you should not use the word "progressive" in describing people in the future since you're casting a pretty wide net when you call somebody that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2009, 02:18:07 AM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/lieberman-im-not-obstructing-health-care-reform----public-option-supporters-are.php?ref=fpb

What a piece of shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 09:51:39 AM
:bow Lieberman :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 01, 2009, 10:57:44 PM
Let's put it another way - if you would agree to a contract that is the legal analogue to Calvinball, and you're not Calvin, you're a complete idiot.


Contracts don't just change willy nilly; if you alter the terms, that requires a new consent.

I really don't see why this is so hard for some people to understand, especially when altering the fucking contract is built into it.

God damn the founding fathers were geniuses. Modern politicians aren't worthy.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 02, 2009, 12:55:03 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 09:53:30 AM
God damn the founding fathers were geniuses. Modern politicians aren't worthy.

Yes, but they didn't specify the way in which The Constitution was to be interpreted. They couldn't possibly have wanted future generations to strictly follow their intentions because it's impossible to ascertain what their true intentions were, assuming they all had the same ones.

Even if it were possible to determine their true intentions, they would often be unhelpful. The founders couldn't possibly have foreseen and anticipated every possible government action or every way in which a right could be exercised.

The Constitution contains a lot of broad and ambiguous wording. It's hard to believe that the founders expected that a specific conception of what is "cruel and unusual" would endure for centuries, even as society's view of what is "cruel and unusual" changed dramatically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 02, 2009, 12:56:11 PM
You wouldn't understand what a contract is, Malek - you're Canadian.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 01:23:13 PM
guess we don't need a judicial system then!


man, i'm so glad that a contract drawn up in secret over 200 years ago by rich white male land-owning politicians (half of whom hated the whole idea) is perfect, and plainly spells out every single thing concerning the country ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 02, 2009, 01:25:24 PM
Look at Crushed, haphazardly slapping in modern context. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 01:37:48 PM
*owns human beings as agricultural labor because he believes that the ignorant Negro races are fundamentally inferior and do not have natural rights*
*hates democracy, thinks the poor and uneducated should be left out of political process*
*beats women and children because love is best shown through the rod*
*believes that entire continent belongs to them, not the inhabitants*
*thinks Ohio and western Pennsylvania are savage and terrible lands that cannot be tamed*
*wants to create a literal aristocracy and royalty in US*
*thinks the states are tiny independent countries*
*entire political philosophy is a reaction to a parliamentary monarchy in Europe operating on a system of mercantilism and colonialism*

*is a founding father, will be worshiped as infallible for years to come*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2009, 01:39:51 PM
REVERENCE IS NECESSARY FOR COMPLIANCE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 02, 2009, 01:43:28 PM
Crushed, I don't think you understand the historical context of the document.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
look, if we don't take an absolutist, quasi-religious view regarding a single document, regardless of -- or perhaps BECAUSE of -- its nominal mechanisms for transformation, we will all fall under the spell of horrid moral relativists and OH GOD THINK OF THE UNBORN BABIES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:00:45 PM
whew, my 500 layers of clothing created by the blood of kidnapped and raped people sure are hot! hurry up guys, we need to jot down some shit on this sheet of dried animal skin. remember, nobody's allowed to know about this, they might disagree and then we can't pretend it's a totally legal contract done with the consent of the people. now then, once we're done let's count the money we get from selling stolen labor to europe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 02, 2009, 01:55:33 PM
look, if we don't take an absolutist, quasi-religious view regarding a single document, regardless of -- or perhaps BECAUSE of -- its nominal mechanisms for transformation, we will all fall under the spell of horrid moral relativists and OH GOD THINK OF THE UNBORN BABIES

wait, are we talking actual babies or non-babies? because in the british common law that forms the basis of the constitution and many of its rights, it's not homicide if it hasn't been granted life by the lord, which isn't until it's in the fetal stage and kickin'!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:14:54 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:16:02 PM
Of course not, it's just that it's rather silly to call it a "contract" between the law and the citizenry, as if 90% of the citizenry had a choice in the matter!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:16:07 PM
Quote
It's a contract, not an art piece.  You don't interpret it.  You read it.  It's plain and literal.

:bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:16:02 PM
Of course not, it's just that it's rather silly to call it a "contract" between the law and the citizenry, as if 90% of the citizenry had a choice in the matter!

And the alternative is...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:16:02 PM
Of course not, it's just that it's rather silly to call it a "contract" between the law and the citizenry, as if 90% of the citizenry had a choice in the matter!

And the alternative is...

I dunno, democracy? A new constitution that actually has the support and involvement of the common people, isn't developed in secret by an economic elite, and isn't based on a 200-year-old idea of a nation?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 02, 2009, 02:19:31 PM
Perhaps you don't understand what a contract is, Crushed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 02, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:16:07 PM
Quote
It's a contract, not an art piece.  You don't interpret it.  You read it.  It's plain and literal.

:bow :bow
I don't know whether a The Constitution is a contract in a literal sense, but regular contracts are not just read by the courts; they're interpreted. Courts interpret the terms in a contract and even go as far as implying terms not explicitly written.

In a regular contract, courts will try to determine the intent of the contracting parties when there's a dispute. There is a problem here: who are the parties? The founders? The people of the United States?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 02, 2009, 02:23:26 PM
Look, don't come in here with your Canadian mumbo jumbo and limited knowledge of American law, and tell us how to honor our contracts. That document was written in the blood of men who died for country.

All you have is maple syrup and hockey.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:16:02 PM
Of course not, it's just that it's rather silly to call it a "contract" between the law and the citizenry, as if 90% of the citizenry had a choice in the matter!

And the alternative is...
A new constitution that actually has the support and involvement of the common people, isn't developed in secret by an economic elite, and isn't based on a 200-year-old idea of a nation?

Like people today would be able to even touch the balls of our founding father's genius.

Also, I like how crush's argument against the constitution is basically the title of a Michael Moore chapter. "It was made by old dead white men. That means it's baaaaad!!!"
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:25:37 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 02, 2009, 02:19:31 PM
Perhaps you don't understand what a contract is, Crushed.

Now that our PM session is finished Willco, it's time to unveil our contract.

Quote
THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF EVILBORIA

Article I: All posters have rights, except for libertarians are subhuman and have no rights.
Article II: Everything on Evilbore will be decided by an admin, as normal posters are too dumb to understand posting.
Article III: Give the official Evilbore sponsors (DoritosTM) your money, forever. All laws will make sure that DoritosTM receive your money.
Article IV: A carrier pigeon, bearing the dried skull of a Cherokee, will be the basis for inter-forums commerce.
Article V: When it comes to abortion, owning guns, and the power of Congress, yaere is the good jon.


Welp, that's the contract. You're a part of this contract too libertopians, and I made sure that everything is nice and clear, so no going against it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
Quote from: Malek on November 02, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
I don't know whether a The Constitution is a contract in a literal sense, but regular contracts are not just read by the courts; they're interpreted. Courts interpret the terms in a contract and even go as far as implying terms not explicitly written.


What's that? Who interprets it? Did you say the courts? As in the judicial branch?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I could have sworn based on some of you guys that the legislative branch is supposed to interpret it.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
The grammar in your first article is confusing, Crushed.  Therefore, libertarians do have rights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Like people today would be able to even touch the balls of our founding father's genius.

Yeah, the geniuses who disagreed with each other on like everything except when it came to the idea that "natural rights" only applied to 10% of the population.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:31:33 PM
Can you imagine what a constitution would look like if it was written today by Crushed's "Common People"

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF 'MERICA

Article I: The Right to text and drive at the same time shall not be abridged.
Article II: Everyone has the right to free speech unless someone is offended by it.
Article III: The Work day shall not exceed 2 hours which must include nap time and free Frosties
Article IV: A Free house for everyone over the age of 35, and upon turning 65 a million dollars.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:33:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2009, 02:27:36 PM
The grammar in your first article is confusing, Crushed.  Therefore, libertarians do have rights.

First Amendment: No speaking out against Crushed. This is based on the Alien and Sedition Act, a document created by some of the wise and genius Founding Fathers.
Second Amendment: Government-regulated militias being necessary for defending Evilbore, the rights of libertarians will be eternally infringed upon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2009, 02:37:37 PM
Quote from: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/65853-hatch-health-bills-threaten-two-party-system
Senator Hatch: Healthcare reform bills threaten survival of two-party system
By Michael O'Brien - 11/02/09 11:15 AM ET

The healthcare reform proposals before Congress threaten the existence of the two-party system, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) alleged Monday morning.

Hatch asserted that the health bills, which he believes represent a "step-by-step approach to socialized medicine," will lead to Americans' dependence on Democrats for their health and other issues.

"And if they get there, of course, you're going to have a very rough time having a two-party system in this country, because almost everybody's going to say, 'All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party,' " Hatch said during an interview with the conservative CNSNews.com.

"That's their goal," Hatch added. "That's what keeps Democrats in power."

That claim led Hatch to suggest that some Democrats are "diabolical" in their pursuit of health reform.

"Do I believe they're that diabolical? I don't believe most of them are, but I think some of them are," Hatch said. "Maybe diabolical's too harsh of a word, but the fact is, they really, really believe in socialized medicine."

During the interview, the Utah Republican worried about the health bill's provisions on public funding for abortion as well as the potential unconstitutionality of the individual mandate conservatives have argued.

So "socialized medicine" will be so awesome that the people will thank Democrats for it and recognize us for the freakish ghouls we are. Diabolical!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Even Naomi Wolf, a noted liberal wrote in the opening chapter of "The End of America" that the constitution was more relevant than ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 02, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Crushed, the problem of consent will crop up with any constitution, if that's what you're getting at.

Jay, a literal reading of a right can lead to a very limited reading of that right. Constitutions tend to be written in very sparse general language. You can't possibly ascertain the nature and scope of a right from a simple reading. And, again, using the founders intent isn't helpful as they couldn't possibly have anticipated every possible way in which a right could be exercised nor the social context in which that right would be exercised.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:42:43 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 02, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:33:02 PM
First Amendment: No speaking out against Crushed. This is based on the Alien and Sedition Act, a document created by some of the wise and genius Founding Fathers.

Hold the phone.

I don't think I've expressed any love, anywhere for John Adams.  Or Alexander Hamilton, for that matter (thank you very much, Vice President Burr).

I'm talking about FoC, who seems to think that the Constitution is like the True Cross and that the body parts of the founding fathers should be enshrined as relics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:45:22 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 02, 2009, 02:42:43 PM

I'm talking about FoC, who seems to think that the Constitution is like the True Cross and that the body parts of the founding fathers should be enshrined as relics.

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 02, 2009, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 02, 2009, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: Malek on November 02, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Jay, a literal reading of a right can lead to a very limited reading of that right.

Yes.
isn't this  code law vs. common law?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 02, 2009, 03:14:12 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 02, 2009, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: Malek on November 02, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Jay, a literal reading of a right can lead to a very limited reading of that right.

Yes.

Stupid question, but how do you, for example, determine the scope of the The Eighth Amendment? What is "cruel and unusual"? A literal reading of the text is of little help. If you tried to use historical context, you would have to conclude that capital punishment for horse theft or robbery isn't cruel and unusual (I guess this follows if you use Scalia's reasoning in Harmelin v. Michigan).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 02, 2009, 04:12:46 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 02, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
Also, your chief complaint about the founders of a constitutional republic with delicate checks and balances against all parties, whom, by and large, thought pure democracy sucked ass... is that they weren't more democratic in their approach of forming a Constitution?

The Constitution was drafted by delegates, ratified by the state legislatures.  The states appointed their delegates as well.  This was not some super sekrit oligarch's club.
fucking bullshit. How else can you explain why Andrew Jackson's main campaign platform was that he supported white man's suffrage?  that sounds like a kkk tactic today but it was actually a legitimate civil rights movement.

themoreyouknow.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 02, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
I'll reassert that I do not support the use of the death penalty.  I would not falsely claim that it's a constitutional matter, however.

Nah dawg, didn't you see National Treasure. That shit was straight up illuminati/freemasons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2009, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Even Naomi Wolf, a noted liberal wrote in the opening chapter of "The End of America" that the constitution was more relevant than ever.

noted CRAZY, perhaps

how do you feel about that noted libertarian, glenn beck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on November 02, 2009, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 02, 2009, 03:22:11 PM
It's not a stupid question, just one you probably already knew my answer to.

People advancing the notion that the death penalty is "cruel" or "unusual," and thus, unconstitutional, are categorically wrong.  The death penalty was applied quite routinely when the Constitutional Convention was held, and afterwards, and for far more crimes.  Neither the man that wrote the text nor any significant portion of those ratifying it were death penalty abolitionists.


I'll reassert that I do not support the use of the death penalty.  I would not falsely claim that it's a constitutional matter, however.

yeah, but saying something is either constitutional or unconstitutional in that sense is never really the point of any argument. you're right. the death penalty would be constitutional in that sense. that doesn't begin to address the question of wether the death penalty is right or wrong.

same thing with many other parts of it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 02, 2009, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Even Naomi Wolf, a noted liberal wrote in the opening chapter of "The End of America" that the constitution was more relevant than ever.

noted CRAZY, perhaps

how do you feel about that noted libertarian, glenn beck

libertarian my ass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 02, 2009, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Even Naomi Wolf, a noted liberal wrote in the opening chapter of "The End of America" that the constitution was more relevant than ever.

noted CRAZY, perhaps

how do you feel about that noted libertarian, glenn beck

libertarian my ass

You're right, Glenn Beck is popular with more than 3% of the country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 05:26:23 PM
Not to burst your bubble but he's also more popular than Maddow and Olbermann...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
But not as popular as President Obama.  :smug

And anyway, Rachel and Keith are more popular than RON PAUL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 05:31:22 PM
Yeah but Ron Paul had a blimp.
 :drake

I win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
I take that back. The fact that Ron Paul had a blimp means that we are all winners.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2009, 06:18:53 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/ronpaulblimp.jpg)

Well, some of us are winners more than the rest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 02, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
(http://i36.tinypic.com/zlx47a.jpg)
:omg
The ghost of John Galt?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 02, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 02, 2009, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 02, 2009, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 02, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Even Naomi Wolf, a noted liberal wrote in the opening chapter of "The End of America" that the constitution was more relevant than ever.

noted CRAZY, perhaps

how do you feel about that noted libertarian, glenn beck

libertarian my ass

You're right, Glenn Beck is popular with more than 3% of the country.

To be fair, the Libertarian Party only received 0.4% of the popular vote last year*.  3% is being way too generous here.

* - despite Libertarians supposedly representing 23% of the voting base :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
I generally refer to libertarians as "Republicans who like weed"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 02, 2009, 09:59:46 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 02, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
I generally refer to libertarians as "Republicans who like weed"

 :lol nice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 03, 2009, 08:40:06 AM
I'm in a hospital bed in Korea right now because I had appendicitis and had to get my appendix surgically removed. The trip to the ER was $20 and each night in the hospital is $30. Given those figures, it would be far less expensive for an American with a solid domestic health insurance policy to book a two-way flight to Korea to have this surgery performed rather than get it done in the U.S. And the medical technology and quality of staff in this hospital--which is average by Korean standards--rocks the fucking socks off of the average hospital in the U.S. Oh, I also pay less for health insurance than any of you in the U.S. who do have health insurance.

If you don't support government oversight of American health insurance companies and hospitals, who together are the world's most successful extortionists, then I would tell you to go and fuck yourself but you already are by supporting a grossly inferior system for grossly inflated prices. Enjoy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2009, 08:46:12 AM
(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/doctorvisit.jpeg)

(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/ctprices.jpeg)

(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/Lipitor.jpeg)


A bunch more here (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/IFHP%20Comparative%20Price%20Report%20with%20AHA%20data%20addition.pdf) (pdf).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 09:03:17 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 02, 2009, 09:53:45 PM
I generally refer to libertarians as "Republicans who like weed"

Other than republicans supporting foreign intervention, torture, high defense spending, medicare, supporting Israel, religion in government, expansion of the executive branch, and domestic spying; other than all that, they are exactly alike.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2009, 12:17:15 PM
Don't forget boy lovers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 03:55:29 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/After-a-flurry-of-stimulus-spending_-questionable-projects-pile-up-8474249-68709732.html (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/After-a-flurry-of-stimulus-spending_-questionable-projects-pile-up-8474249-68709732.html)

After a flurry of stimulus spending, questionable projects pile up


The $787 billion stimulus bill was passed in February and was promised as a job saver and economy booster. Here is where some of the money went:
- $300,000 for a GPS-equipped helicopter to hunt for radioactive rabbit droppings at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Washington state.
- $30 million for a spring training baseball complex for the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies.
- $11 million for Microsoft to build a bridge connecting its two headquarter campuses in Redmond, Wash., which are separated by a highway.
- $430,000 to repair a bridge in Iowa County, Wis., that carries 10 or fewer cars per day.
- $800,000 for the John Murtha Airport in Johnstown, Pa., serving about 20 passengers per day, to build a backup runway.
- $219,000 for Syracuse University to study the sex lives of freshmen women.
- $2.3 million for the U.S. Forest Service to rear large numbers of arthropods, including the Asian longhorned beetle, the nun moth and the woolly adelgid.
- $3.4 million for a 13-foot tunnel for turtles and other wildlife attempting to cross U.S. 27 in Lake Jackson, Fla.
- $1.15 million to install a guardrail for a persistently dry lake bed in Guymon, Okla.
- $9.38 million to renovate a century-old train depot in Lancaster County, Pa., that has not been used for three decades.
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
- $6 million for a snow-making facility in Duluth, Minn.
- $173,834 to weatherize eight pickup trucks in Madison County, Ill.
- $20,000 for a fish sperm freezer at the Gavins Point National Fish Hatchery in South Dakota.
- $380,000 to spay and neuter pets in Wichita, Kan.
- $300 apiece for thousands of signs at road construction sites across the country announcing that the projects are funded by stimulus money.
- $1.5 million for a fence to block would-be jumpers from leaping off the All-American Bridge in Akron, Ohio.
- $1 million to study the health effects of environmentally friendly public housing on 300 people in Chicago.
- $356,000 for Indiana University to study childhood comprehension of foreign accents compared with native speech.
- $983,952 for street beautification in Ann Arbor, Mich., including decorative lighting, trees, benches and bike paths.
- $148,438 for Washington State University to analyze the use of marijuana in conjunction with medications like morphine.
- $462,000 to purchase 22 concrete toilets for use in the Mark Twain National Forest in Missouri
- $3.1 million to transform a canal barge into a floating museum that will travel the Erie Canal in New York state.
- $1.3 million on government arts jobs in Maine, including $30,000 for basket makers, $20,000 for storytelling and $12,500 for a music festival.
- $71,000 for a hybrid car to be used by student drivers in Colchester, Vt., as well as a plug-in hybrid for town workers decked out with a sign touting the vehicle's energy efficiency.
- $1 million for Portland, Ore., to replace 100 aging bike lockers and build a garage that would house 250 bicycles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:00:25 PM
Most of those projects seem perfectly fine to me. ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
Studying human sexuality can lead to results which allow scientists to better understand STD transmission rates and demographics, pregnancy rates and behavior, etc., which can lead to better preventative measures, better marketing and more focused efforts for birth control, contraceptives, and STD treatment, etc., which keeps many younger Americans out of the work force, lowers productivity and employment, and raises the cost of living. Besides, $219k for a university study which will presumably last months or years doesn't sound wasteful at all. That's a drop in the bucket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:13:01 PM
Your "bucket drops" end up fillling several dozen water towers.

So it's financing public utilities, allowing smaller suburban communities with less access to fresh water to lower local tax rates otherwise needed for importing water from larger cities? Great!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:13:01 PM
Your "bucket drops" end up fillling several dozen water towers.

So it's financing public utilities, allowing smaller suburban communities with less access to fresh water to lower local tax rates otherwise needed for importing water from larger cities? Great!

- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
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- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:13:01 PM
Your "bucket drops" end up fillling several dozen water towers.

I'm not even sure how to address the level of contortion in the rest of your justification.

What level of contortion? This reminds me of when McCain went on about taxpayer money going to DNA TESTING BEARS LOL WHAT IS IT A PATERNITY TEST (it was actually an important system used by Wildlife Services to determine the size of wild populations, which informs things like the endangered species list, protected land, and whether or not they're encroaching on human territories), or Palin mocking money going to "studying fruit flies who cares about dumb flies!!" (Drosophilia are one of the most ideal and widely used animals for genetic testing due to their high rate of reproduction, genetic variety, and high expression of traits)

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:18:06 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:15:19 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:13:01 PM
Your "bucket drops" end up fillling several dozen water towers.

So it's financing public utilities, allowing smaller suburban communities with less access to fresh water to lower local tax rates otherwise needed for importing water from larger cities? Great!

- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
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- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
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I said "most" not "all," dunderhead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:28:25 PM
science lol am i rite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:33:35 PM
Science would never exist without government spending. Oh wait....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 03, 2009, 04:28:25 PM
science lol am i rite

also,
Quote
$30,000 for basket makers


Science lol indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
the arts lol am i rite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
Liberals would think that basket making is an art worthy of subsidizing.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:41:05 PM
Think about it this way. $30,000 is probably what an average middle class family paid in taxes last year. So basically you are telling some family that they don't deserve their hard earned cash, but instead this basket maker does. There isn't a big enough :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:41:07 PM
the arts :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:43:13 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 03, 2009, 04:28:25 PM
science lol am i rite

I remember McCain actually tweeting "im gonna tweet the top 10 porkiest 'stimulus' projects" and pretty much everything in there was absolutely reasonable. He criticized removing gang tattoos from former gang members trying to re-enter society, a 2-story parking garage in Provo, Utah, studying grape genetics (to help prevent fungal infections and improve vineyard production), a trade center in Montana, a honey bee factory that would provide jobs in Texas, beaver management in an area where beavers routinely caused damage by flooding streams and blocking roads (he also made a double-entendre about "managing beavers" that he edited out), a new sidewalk for a school, promoting careers in astronomy in Hawaii, pest control for the Mormon cricket which he mocked (a kind of locust that nearly killed off the Mormon settlers in Utah by devouring their entire crop supply), and finally odor control for pig farms, which is actually a serious problem since it makes large areas around many pig-raising facilities nigh-uninhabitable.



And seriously? $30,000 dollars for basket making? It's going to be one or two people who teach people to make traditional baskets at a folk arts museum, or making them for a gift shop, or something like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:43:13 PM
And seriously? $30,000 dollars for basket making? It's going to be one or two people who teach people to make traditional baskets at a folk arts museum, or making them for a gift shop, or something like that.

I forgot that liberals think that money comes out of thin air.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:44:56 PM
It doesn't come out of thin air, it comes right out of your trust fund. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 03, 2009, 04:48:34 PM
Quote
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.

How many were cashed? :smug

Kind of like voter registration fraud doesn't mean voter fraud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:49:07 PM
"Providing jobs and supporting initiatives and research for improving American productivity!? But... how can this possibly pay off in the future!?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:50:18 PM
"But if they were important to America's future, the free market would have already created those jobs." :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:51:37 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:49:07 PM
"Providing jobs and supporting initiatives and research for improving American productivity!? But... how can this possibly pay off in the future!?"

So taking away money from people who earned and giving it to basket makers = Making America more productive.


:bow Crushed's logic leap
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:53:36 PM
"Yeah, how many basket makers did your work salary provide for this week, Crushed?" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
Artists = not American citizens.

Will the basket maker conspiracy ever cease? Is the White House under the control of the BIG BASKET LOBBY!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
Damn those nefarious "arts", JayDubya! Damn them to hell!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
Artists = not American citizens.

Will the basket maker conspiracy ever cease? Is the White House under the control of the BIG BASKET LOBBY!?


I'm gonna make a basket. Please send my 30% of what you make. You will have a fine basket I promise.
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Dirty hypocrite
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:58:54 PM
Yeah, those "arts" and their stupid public funding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:58:22 PM
... or going to a museum.

Damn public funding for the arts.  It should not happen.

UH OH.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 05:00:30 PM
Willco, you want in on this basket making investment that crushed is doing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:00:34 PM
"A MILLION DOLLARS FOR LAB RATS!? What kind of porky waste is this!? If they need rats so much, just leave out some cheese and a trap overnight."

"Now then, I hope to God that Congress hasn't cut a cent of that $2 billion super jet that breaks if it gets wet, or that $100mil invisible robot  boat, or the $10mil freeze ray program."

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 04:54:33 PM
Artists = not American citizens.

Will the basket maker conspiracy ever cease? Is the White House under the control of the BIG BASKET LOBBY!?


I'm gonna make a basket. Please send my 30% of what you make. You will have a fine basket I promise.
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Dirty hypocrite
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Holy shit, 30% of every American's money is going towards basket making!?  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 05:02:37 PM
Holy shit, 30% of every American's salary is going towards taxes?! :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:05:10 PM
GIVE ME BACK MY $0.000001, BASKET MAKERS! DAMN YOU!

If it hadn't been for those randdamned baskets... (http://i31.tinypic.com/33bmqon.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
Every bit of wasteful spending that you attempt to justify with what you consider to be a relatively low cost adds up.  And even then, you miss the point entirely.

It's not just that it's a low cost, it's also that it provides jobs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 05:09:38 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/underpants-gnomes1.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
Every bit of wasteful spending that you attempt to justify with what you consider to be a relatively low cost adds up.  And even then, you miss the point entirely.

It's not just that it's a low cost, it's also that it provides jobs.

You know what also provides jobs? Spending your own money. And those jobs actually, you know, people want.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:13:43 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 05:10:40 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 05:02:22 PM
Every bit of wasteful spending that you attempt to justify with what you consider to be a relatively low cost adds up.  And even then, you miss the point entirely.

It's not just that it's a low cost, it's also that it provides jobs.

You know what also provides jobs? Spending your own money. And those jobs actually, you know, people want.

By God, you're right. If people had just spent their money, the economy would be fine right now!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:14:42 PM
 :o WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS NOT FOR THE WEAK OF HEART!  :o

 :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
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(http://www.harfordhistory.net/IceCreamSocialPhotos/Basket%20Weaving.jpg)
(http://www.comitatus.net/research_files/basketweaving.jpg)
(http://www.life123.com/bm.pix/basket-weaving.s600x600.jpg)
(http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/news_impact/2008/09/large_instructor%20weaves%20a%20basket.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 05:15:54 PM
 :lol

I can't believe someone is actually debating for basket making stimulus.   :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
I can haz underwater basket weaving stimulus too?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
"Hello, I'm an independent laborer who uses their own talents to earn money, by manufacturing products that people will pay money to use or own!"

Unfortunately, this poor entrepreneur does not exploit the poor or blow up foreigners, so they have no right getting money.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 03, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 03, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
Damn those nefarious "arts", JayDubya! Damn them to hell!

I enjoy "the arts," and I fund "the arts."  It's called buying a movie ticket, or a game, or a CD, or going to a museum.

Damn public funding for the arts.  It should not happen.

You only go to museums that you've independently confirmed to receive 0% public funding, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
I already caught him on that, but he ignored my "gotcha" journalism tactic. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
"Hello, I'm an independent laborer who uses their own talents to earn money, by manufacturing products that people will pay money to use or own!"

Unfortunately, this poor entrepreneur does not exploit the poor or blow up foreigners, so they have no right getting money.  :'(

Again I'm going to point out that life is not a Captain Planet episode.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 07:51:53 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 05:53:29 PM
"Hello, I'm an independent laborer who uses their own talents to earn money, by manufacturing products that people will pay money to use or own!"

Unfortunately, this poor entrepreneur does not exploit the poor or blow up foreigners, so they have no right getting money.  :'(

Again I'm going to point out that life is not a Captain Planet episode.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said. At all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
Not to take away from this fascinating discussion, but it looks like the Republican might actually win in the NJ Governor's race; that was the one race I was kind of hoping that the Dem would win, even though Corzine is a Goldman Sachs tainted dickweed that I wouldn't pee on to stop him from burning to death, but STILL.  Anyway, CNN's exit polls have 58% of independents voting for Christie, which is bad.  The VA Gov race will probably be called very quickly, with crazy Bob McDonnell winning handily. 

I know that the Republican propaganda machine has gotten America's panties in a twist over OMG SPENDING and OMG BLACK PRESIDENT but I really don't think people are thinking straight about voting for these assclowns again when the only lesson they've learned is LET'S GO FURTHER RIGHT AND BANISH ANYONE TO THE LEFT OF RUSH LIMBAUGH.  Oh well, in NJ's case it will be for one term only.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 07:58:29 PM
2009: a prequel

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2009, 08:05:02 PM
Quote
        * Per CNN, voters in Virginia did not see their state's gubernatorial race as an opportunity to voice opposition to Barack Obama. A 55 percent majority of voters said that the President was not a factor in their vote, and an additional 18 percent indicated their vote in Virginia was one of support in the President. Just 24 percent of voters indicated that their vote was one of opposition to President Obama. The numbers out of New Jersey are not terribly different, with 60 percent saying that Barack Obama played no role in their gubernatorial vote, 19 percent saying that their vote was one in support of the President, and 20 percent saying that their vote was in opposition to President Obama.

          Concludes CNN, this is not a referendum on Barack Obama.

        * Chuck Todd reports that Barack Obama's approval rating among Virginia voters stands at 51 percent (just under the 52.6 percent of the vote he received in the state last November) and 57 percent in New Jersey (almost exactly the same as the 57.1 percent of the vote he earned in that state last November). In other words, exit polling indicates President Obama has not really lost supporters over the past year.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/3/800180/-Not-a-referendum-on-Obama

FoC annihilated

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 03, 2009, 08:40:13 PM
Supposedly FoC hates the current Republican leadership anyway since they are so far from their libertarian roots, so I don't know why he's cheering their success in 2010.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on November 03, 2009, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 03:55:29 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/After-a-flurry-of-stimulus-spending_-questionable-projects-pile-up-8474249-68709732.html (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/After-a-flurry-of-stimulus-spending_-questionable-projects-pile-up-8474249-68709732.html)

After a flurry of stimulus spending, questionable projects pile up


The $787 billion stimulus bill was passed in February and was promised as a job saver and economy booster. Here is where some of the money went:
- $300,000 for a GPS-equipped helicopter to hunt for radioactive rabbit droppings at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Washington state.
- $30 million for a spring training baseball complex for the Arizona Diamondbacks and Colorado Rockies.
- $11 million for Microsoft to build a bridge connecting its two headquarter campuses in Redmond, Wash., which are separated by a highway.
- $430,000 to repair a bridge in Iowa County, Wis., that carries 10 or fewer cars per day.
- $800,000 for the John Murtha Airport in Johnstown, Pa., serving about 20 passengers per day, to build a backup runway.
- $219,000 for Syracuse University to study the sex lives of freshmen women.
- $2.3 million for the U.S. Forest Service to rear large numbers of arthropods, including the Asian longhorned beetle, the nun moth and the woolly adelgid.
- $3.4 million for a 13-foot tunnel for turtles and other wildlife attempting to cross U.S. 27 in Lake Jackson, Fla.
- $1.15 million to install a guardrail for a persistently dry lake bed in Guymon, Okla.
- $9.38 million to renovate a century-old train depot in Lancaster County, Pa., that has not been used for three decades.
- $2.5 million in stimulus checks sent to the deceased.
- $6 million for a snow-making facility in Duluth, Minn.
- $173,834 to weatherize eight pickup trucks in Madison County, Ill.
- $20,000 for a fish sperm freezer at the Gavins Point National Fish Hatchery in South Dakota.
- $380,000 to spay and neuter pets in Wichita, Kan.
- $300 apiece for thousands of signs at road construction sites across the country announcing that the projects are funded by stimulus money.
- $1.5 million for a fence to block would-be jumpers from leaping off the All-American Bridge in Akron, Ohio.
- $1 million to study the health effects of environmentally friendly public housing on 300 people in Chicago.
- $356,000 for Indiana University to study childhood comprehension of foreign accents compared with native speech.
- $983,952 for street beautification in Ann Arbor, Mich., including decorative lighting, trees, benches and bike paths.
- $148,438 for Washington State University to analyze the use of marijuana in conjunction with medications like morphine.
- $462,000 to purchase 22 concrete toilets for use in the Mark Twain National Forest in Missouri
- $3.1 million to transform a canal barge into a floating museum that will travel the Erie Canal in New York state.
- $1.3 million on government arts jobs in Maine, including $30,000 for basket makers, $20,000 for storytelling and $12,500 for a music festival.
- $71,000 for a hybrid car to be used by student drivers in Colchester, Vt., as well as a plug-in hybrid for town workers decked out with a sign touting the vehicle's energy efficiency.
- $1 million for Portland, Ore., to replace 100 aging bike lockers and build a garage that would house 250 bicycles.

If it makes you feel better, at least there wasn't any money diverted to fruit fly research.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 08:44:22 PM
Libertarians>>>>>>Republicans>>>2nd graders> Dirty hobo-lovin hippes A.K.A Liberals
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 03, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 03, 2009, 08:44:22 PM
Libertarians>>>>>>Republicans>>>2nd graders> Dirty hobo-lovin hippes A.K.A Liberals

How are they better than themselves?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 03, 2009, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 09:04:14 PM
While I do not approve of public funds going to museums, is paying money to attend / making a donation somehow not supporting the arts?

Because that would have to be the case for that to be a salient counterpoint.

Shouldn't you know just what percentage of their costs are taken care of by your tax dollars? What if you're attending a museum that would be completely insolvent without receiving welfare checks from a dirty government that dares to view basic public works and preservation of national history as among its functions?

I guess you're OK with a public option as long as there is still a copay?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 03, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
Not to take away from this fascinating discussion, but it looks like the Republican might actually win in the NJ Governor's race; that was the one race I was kind of hoping that the Dem would win...

I am not sure why you are so surprised.

Corzine was a deeply unpopular governor, whose state has the highest property taxes in the country and an unemployment rate exceeding national average.

And as a native to the DC metropolitan area, and having been subjected to the Virginia gubernatorial campaigning, I can say whomever ran Creigh Deeds campaign is a bafoon. It was poorly run and relied heavily on the dirty politics ("Bob McConnell wants to enslave your wife and make her wear a burqa!"), whereas McConnell ran on a platform of creating jobs. McConnell also managed to rebound from Deeds' mud slinging with some brilliantly executed ads featuring his daughter and female appointees.

After that, Deeds really brought nothing to the table.

... Republicans will use both victories to spin it as some kind of referendum on Obama, and bang pots and pans all over the cable networks in celebration, but in reality it matters little to the White House. Hell, if anything, it gives the Republicans a false sense of security heading into next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2009, 10:05:15 PM
Less than an hour now until we start getting returns out here in Liberal Land. The Seattle mayoral and King County executive races have been crazy, and we've also got Referendum 71 (everything but marriage).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 03, 2009, 10:09:39 PM
It's beginning.

"2009 elections are a bad omen for Obama White House." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2009, 10:10:39 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 03, 2009, 10:09:39 PM
It's beginning.

"2009 elections are a bad omen for Obama White House." :lol

:lol

Let 'em believe whatever they want.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2009, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 03, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 03, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
the arts lol am i rite

For purposes of public funding, it's not so much a "lol," as it is incredibly infuriating.  No, no public money should go to "the arts."

It's continually interesting to see which uses of public funds really get your goat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
Ref. 71 passed! Suck it homophobes! :rock

Dow Constantine kicked Susan Hutchison's ass! Suck it, East side conservatives! :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2009, 11:56:43 PM
lol, looks like the democrat in NY-23 is gonna end up winning after all.  Suck it down wingnuts, even though I'm sure they'll declare it a great victory anyway since they took out *gasp* a LIBRUL REPUBLICAN, even thought that's, you know, what can win in the NE.

More troubling is the Maine ballot initiative, which is a toss-up but trending towards the homophobes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2009, 11:59:52 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 03, 2009, 11:56:43 PM
More troubling is the Maine ballot initiative, which is a toss-up but trending towards the homophobes.

Is it? That's a damn shame.

At least Referendum 71 is passing out here in Washington.

Overheard at the Huthchison (crazy right wing candidate for King County Executive) party tonight:

Quote
"The whole country's going to hell because of that president. I can't imagine what Dow will do to the county. Talk about a Ron Sims clone—dip him in tar and he'd be the same guy!"

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on November 04, 2009, 12:12:00 AM
Hoffman was more popular outside of the NY-23 than he was in it. There was plenty of grassroots enthusiasm for his bid there, too bad none of them actually lived in the district.

There are tons of Democrats that liberals held their nose for in terms of politics and yet still voted, donated, and volunteered for. You can't have a teabagger winning in NY on a hard right wing platform any more than you can have a dirty hippie winning in rural North Carolina espousing San Francisco Values.

Bloomberg and Corzine are the more interesting races-both represent sort of the "old guard" powers that be, and both underperformed (even though the mayor still won). I think people are still very pissed off that there hasn't been more of a shakeup after Obama won last year-not necessarily in terms of policy but in terms of which set of people are getting a seat at the table.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2009, 12:17:47 AM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/107mde9.jpg)

Green = yes homo
Yellow = no homo

I'm so glad Seattle cancels everyone else out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 04, 2009, 12:20:47 AM
Hoffman concedes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 12:22:03 AM
Hoffman losing makes tonight a win as far as I'm concerned. Deeds was a blue dog sap, that's no biggie. I don't know much about Corzine, and I'd imagine Christie will take his place as "dude making tough decisions" resulting in him losing re-election.

Initially I figured Hoffman winning would be the best outcome since it would embolden the far right. But his loss could possibly ignite a real fight between the GOP and Conservative Party as they play the blame game.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on November 04, 2009, 12:27:22 AM
:rock King County :rock

Not really seeing anything that can be divined from the entrails of tonight's elections.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
I can:

Obama sucks, Republicans are turning the tide! :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2009, 12:34:14 AM
Quote from: Fragamemnon on November 04, 2009, 12:27:22 AM
:rock King County :rock

Not really seeing anything that can be divined from the entrails of tonight's elections.

I can. Republicans can't hide in non-partisan races in the most liberal county in Washington state. Suck it, Hutchison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 01:13:24 AM
Quote
Equality Defeated in Maine

The anti-marriage equality initiative appears to have won in Maine. Meanwhile, a civil unions initiative has prevailed in Washington state.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2009, 01:26:35 AM
That truly is a shame.  I hate how buttfuckingly upset Mercury Fred over at GAF is though.  I understand and appreciate his passion for the case, but he only ever posts in a political thread to say FUCK OBAMA HE DOES JACK SHIT FUCK THIS COUNTRY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 01:48:29 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/ny-23-owens-wins.php?ref=fpa

Holy shit he looks weird. I expected him to have a nasally nerd voice 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
Quote
CNN and Fox News called the race for Democrat Bill Owens, making him the first Democrat to hold the upstate New York seat since the Civil War.

jesus  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:22:52 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2009, 01:26:35 AM
That truly is a shame.  I hate how buttfuckingly upset Mercury Fred over at GAF is though.  I understand and appreciate his passion for the case, but he only ever posts in a political thread to say FUCK OBAMA HE DOES JACK SHIT FUCK THIS COUNTRY

I don't understand how people voting against gay marriage is Obama's fault. What, were advertising dollars and stump speeches going to flip a switch in people's minds?

"Y'know, I really hated all those gays, but the President started talking about his gay friends, I really think letting them get married is a fabulous idea!"

... Really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 04, 2009, 02:26:18 AM
The NY-23 situation is basically what happened to Wayne Gilchrest in Maryland.  Moderate Republican in a solidly (but not monolithically) GOP district is pushed aside for a more conservative candidate, who then loses.

I'm sympathetic to activists who use primaries or third-party challenges to light a fire under their own party.  I voted for Donna Edwards against Al Wynn.  But at some point you have to be realistic about what each district is going to support.  For all their bitching about the Blue Dogs, the netroots has supported a ton of centrist Democrats in swing districts.  I'm not sure the conservative base is willing to do that.



edit:  I'll second everything Willco said about the VA governor's race.  Deeds was a lousy candidate with a lousy campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:32:01 AM
Doesn't matter, Mandark - haven't you heard the news?

Quote from: Fox News
Obama Dealt a Blow as Dems Fall Short in Races

Election of Republican governors in Va., N.J. could mean trouble for Obama, who carried both states in 2008

Quote from: MSNBC
Democrats lose ground in 2009 election test

Republicans win big in New Jersey and Virginia, a troubling sign for the president and his party

... better start packing your stuff, Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2009, 02:38:14 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 04, 2009, 02:22:52 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2009, 01:26:35 AM
That truly is a shame.  I hate how buttfuckingly upset Mercury Fred over at GAF is though.  I understand and appreciate his passion for the case, but he only ever posts in a political thread to say FUCK OBAMA HE DOES JACK SHIT FUCK THIS COUNTRY

I don't understand how people voting against gay marriage is Obama's fault. What, were advertising dollars and stump speeches going to flip a switch in people's minds?

"Y'know, I really hated all those gays, but the President started talking about his gay friends, I really think letting them get married is a fabulous idea!"

... Really.

Mercury Fred is especially callous.  He gets so riled up with vitriol that he spews his frustration towards people and situations that have little to no bearing on his situation.  He criticizes Obama for not speaking out about gay rights and the revoking of DADT, yet Obama has never been a primarily gay-friendly politician (that's not worded too well, but you know what I mean) in terms of promises of action, and the promises he did make take a very obvious backseat to some of the more prominent issues of the time.

Prominent, in-the-spotlight political figure heads, especially presidents, are hardly ever and will probably never be big figures in the advocation of civil rights changes, even if their voting base wants them to be an MLK or Ghandi–it's up to internal group leaders to rise up and take action for the government to do anything about it.  That's how I feel anyway, I don't know if that makes me a bit more of a realist or unsympathetic, I don't know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:41:54 AM
It doesn't matter, after tonight, Obama will be packing his bags anyway. Michelle and the kids will have to say goodbye to the front court, helicopter rides and so on. Republicans are back, baby! 8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2009, 02:43:13 AM
Goodbye, Michelle.

Hello, Michelle (Bachman)!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:44:26 AM
PALIN/BACHMANN '12

I dub thee "cheeseburger surprise" ticket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2009, 02:45:40 AM
If that ticket were real, praise Jesus.

But not their Jesus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:46:31 AM
Supply side Jesus :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2009, 03:35:18 AM
Quote from: distantmantra on November 03, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
Ref. 71 passed! Suck it homophobes! :rock

Dow Constantine kicked Susan Hutchison's ass! Suck it, East side conservatives! :rock

:rock :rock :rock I-1033 absolutely scuttled! suck it, tim eyman and his libertarian shitheel sycophants! :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2009, 03:39:56 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 04, 2009, 03:35:18 AM
Quote from: distantmantra on November 03, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
Ref. 71 passed! Suck it homophobes! :rock

Dow Constantine kicked Susan Hutchison's ass! Suck it, East side conservatives! :rock

:rock :rock :rock I-1033 absolutely scuttled! suck it, tim eyman and his libertarian shitheel sycophants! :rock :rock :rock

Prole, would you sponsor my initiative to kick Eyman out of the state?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2009, 03:40:54 AM
i want his head onna pike.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2009, 03:42:23 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 04, 2009, 03:40:54 AM
i want his head onna pike.

Ok, we can leave his head in the state. The body gets dumped in Idaho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2009, 03:49:03 AM
ah, the bitter eastside tears are already starting at mynorthwest.com. i am so totally tuning in to dori monson's show tomorrow!

:rock :rock :rock butthurt pseudo-populist libertarians and churchtards :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 04, 2009, 07:13:06 AM
LOL @ "separate but equal" civil unions
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 04, 2009, 07:42:44 AM
Also, I don't think Hoffman's defeat will deter the teabaggers.  True to their teabagging tendencies, they probably don't think of the race as a defeat but an instance where a far right conservative went from obscure to prominent in just a short time with their support.  That and their theory that they weren't conservative enough, combined with scattered GOP victories, will only embolden them for next year.  Hell, there were probably some who didn't think Hoffman was conservative enough or that his campaign was too soft on the liberals.

I welcome this movement for next year.  The party is sacking and replacing moderate Republicans with wingnut outsiders and I love it.  I can only hope someone does that to Grassley next year.  :hyper That and the Iowa governor race.  Homo marriage is here to stay in the state but there is a sect of wingnuts raging over it.  Should be exciting!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 04, 2009, 09:25:06 AM
So the rethugs unseating 2 very unpopular dems is somehow greater than a dem winning in a place no dem has won since the civil war?  :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 04, 2009, 09:56:25 AM
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2009/11/anti-discrimination_ordinance_1.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2009/11/anti-discrimination_ordinance_1.html)

Quote from: mlive
Kalamazoo city voters decisively adopted an ordinance Tuesday that extends anti-discrimination protections to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender individuals.

The ordinance passed 7,671 to 4,731, making Kalamazoo the 16th city in Michigan to adopt such a gay-rights ordinance that grants the protections in the areas of employment, housing and public accommodations.

 :supergay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Caught that clip of Michael Steele on CNN this morning - he was relatively humble, and made some good points. If he acted like this on a daily basis, I'd be more supportive for the party, y'know, I am a registered member of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 04, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
Caught that clip of Michael Steele on CNN this morning - he was relatively humble, and made some good points. If he acted like this on a daily basis, I'd be more supportive for the party, y'know, I am a registered member of.

 ::) Based on your ideology, I don't think so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2009, 12:05:51 PM
American's "conservative" party = not actually conservative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 11:53:08 AM
::) Based on your ideology, I don't think so.

And what ideology would that be?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
That of a Retail Republican - one who realizes rich people aren't idols to be worshiped, the common man deserves some help, and social issues aren't more important than wallet issues
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
Not quite. I'm most definitely a Republican, but Flame is representative of the new and re-energized right that has no room for moderates. I come from a family of conservatives, and while I am more socially progressive then they are, even they are feeling kind of left out.

If being a Republican now constitutes living in a fantasy world detached from reality, prizing your ideology before results, never willing to compromise, hating those that are pro-choice, stopping gays from getting married and supporting frivolous military spending while axing social programs - then yes, I am probably not a Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
Victim in Fatal Car Accident Tragically Not Glenn Beck (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/victim_in_fatal_car_accident) :rofl

Omg at the posters of Glenn Beck at the candlelight vigil: "It should've been you." :rofl :rofl :rofl

"There is no harder thing then have Glenn Beck outlive your child." :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 01:34:08 PM
Ah nm, I see Willco. You're a fascist socialist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 01:38:37 PM
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3825873&ref=fpa
 :lol

what the fuck was that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:33:40 PM
Lawrence O'Donnell kind of came off as a douchebag.

YOU CAN'T SPOIL MICHAEL STEELE'S JUICE! :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:35:33 PM
liberals = butthurt  :lol

You guys better lube up before november 2010.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:37:20 PM
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/116275/original.jpg)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:35:33 PM
liberals = butthurt  :lol

You guys better lube up before november 2010.

Over what? More Democrats got sent to Congress last night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:37:49 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

Awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 04, 2009, 02:37:46 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:35:33 PM
liberals = butthurt  :lol

You guys better lube up before november 2010.

Over what? More Democrats got sent to Congress, baby. :rock

Senate? Oh wait... nothing to see here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
As such a strict follower of the Constitution, I am surprised you have never heard of the House of Representatives!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 04, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
As such a strict follower of the Constitution, I am surprised you have never heard of the House of Representatives!

Now that you have more dems in the house Im sure we will have a public option... right? Right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
I guess more Democrats elected to Congress is an indicator of the coming Republican-mania about to sweep the nation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 02:43:39 PM
Agreed 100% on O'Donnel. He could been more effective matching the comical nature of that segment with a comical/sarcastic tone. Instead of rolls in there like a freight train and is laughed off, all while looking like an asshole.

The entire segment was ridiculous.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 02:45:17 PM
ASSUME THE HEISMAN POSITION
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 02:49:32 PM
Especially after Obama gets his way and passes a trigger (or whatever) for health care
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:51:46 PM
That's why i'm suggesting you guys lube up early.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/4/800577/-Anti-Gay-Crusader-Carrie-Prejean-Suit-Scuttled-by-Sex-Tape
hmm

Can't wait to get home now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:16:08 PM
Making a home video recording of yourself and partner isn't necessarily bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 04, 2009, 03:23:26 PM
But being a bible thumping hypocrite having premarital sex is. Just another religious phony .
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 04, 2009, 03:23:26 PM
But being a bible thumping hypocrite having premarital sex is. Just another religious phony .
I don't know. nowadays even most religious people have premarital sex it isn't really something that unordinary. I don't know much about this woman, I'm just saying that the tape existing doesnt really mean anything. It's not like she was against taping sex?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 04, 2009, 03:23:26 PM
But being a bible thumping hypocrite having premarital sex is. Just another religious phony .
I don't know. nowadays even most religious people have premarital sex it isn't really something that unordinary. I don't know much about this woman, I'm just saying that the tape existing doesnt really mean anything. It's not like she was against taping sex?

It's "unordinary" when the religious person in question tries to lecture the public on moral values and becomes a spokesman for Christian fundies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:36:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 03:34:03 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 04, 2009, 03:23:26 PM
But being a bible thumping hypocrite having premarital sex is. Just another religious phony .
I don't know. nowadays even most religious people have premarital sex it isn't really something that unordinary. I don't know much about this woman, I'm just saying that the tape existing doesnt really mean anything. It's not like she was against taping sex?

It's "unordinary" when the religious person in question tries to lecture the public on moral values and becomes a spokesman for Christian fundies

Is it?

So one day she decided to record herself having sex. That's it. I'm really not trying to defend her, I just don't think its that big of a deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
I don't think people care enough about her for this to be some big story. Personally I don't care, it actually makes me like her more since I'll see dat ass. But in terms of the impact this has on her message as some bastion of moral/Christian values? It certainly makes her even less credible, and look like just another hypocrite religiofreak
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:40:00 PM
I guess I just don't see how having a sex tape makes you a hypocrite.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 04, 2009, 03:42:00 PM
So lecturing people on the sanctity of sex between a married man and women (the fig-leaf homophobes hide behind) and how homosexuality violates that, and making an adulterous sextape. You see nothing there? Really?

(p.s. - that was rhetorical as I'm not even gonna try and get through to that l'il cognitive dissonant head of yours)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
Nope sorry, I dont see how having a sex tape and gay marriage having anything to do with each other at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 04, 2009, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
Nope sorry, I dont see how having a sex tape and gay marriage having anything to do with each other at all.

you really are a failure on every level aren't you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 03:50:22 PM
...

....


kk I'm done with that subject
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 04, 2009, 03:58:33 PM
Armitage, it's not an act. :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 04:08:23 PM
Anyway
Quote
On the heels of the NY-23 special House election, in which Conservative Party insurgent Doug Hoffman overtook moderate GOP nominee Dede Scozzafava, only to lose to Democrat Bill Owens, NRSC chairman John Cornyn (R-TX) has announced that the GOP's national Senate committee will not be spending money in contested primaries.

"There's no incentive for us to weigh in," Cornyn told ABC News. "We have to look at our resources."

This could have huge ramifications in the Florida Senate race, where moderate Gov. Charlie Crist has been endorsed by the NRSC, and faces the more conservative former state House Speaker Marco Rubio. Crist has already emerged as a new top target for the same right-wing activists who went after Scozzafava.

Crist may be the officially endorsed candidate of the national GOP, but this official support won't count for much if he doesn't get actual money from the party. At best, he could be able to round up extra fundraising and endorsements, separate from the official party apparatus but thanks to its imprimatur. The campaign of the likely Democratic nominee, Rep. Kendrick Meek, sent out the story in a release today, calling the news a "major development."

Cornyn said that the party can learn from NY-23. "The first lesson is that competitive primaries are generally a good thing," Cornyn said. "To me, that's the overarching lesson to be learned out of the 23rd. When 11 people get behind closed doors and pick the nominee ... the grassroots are going to find an alternative."

Late Update: A national GOP source downplayed the story to TPM, telling us: "Far from being a major development, this is really nothing more than clarifying what should be obvious to anyone who has been following the dynamics of the Florida Senate race. It's a major development when the President of the United States comes to your state and doesn't know how to pronounce the last name of the Democrat Senate candidate. This isn't."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/nrsc-wont-spend-money-in-contested-primaries.php?ref=fpblg

womp womp

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And in more teabagger news, they've found newer, hotter target
A California Republican aiming to unseat Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) next year has gotten a boost from conservative Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC).

DeMint announced last night his Senate Conservatives Fund was endorsing state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore over former Hewlett Packard chief Carly Fiorina. The group supports only "rock solid" conservatives, organizers told supporters on a conference call last night as election results came in.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/senate-conservatives-fund-picks-sides-in-ca-as-demint-backs-devore.php?ref=fpa

So with the NRSC not pumping money into contested primaries, the teabagger movement gains more clout. The Club for Growth, Demint's Senate Conservatives Fund, and Dick Armey's organization(s) will provide financial incentives for candidates to run to the far right for endorsements/cash.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2009, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: Armitage on November 04, 2009, 03:54:44 PM
Jesus FoC you sure play dumb well.

Oh he ain't playin'.  He's TEXAS DUMB.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 04, 2009, 07:38:23 PM
Now with Tiller gone, violent anti-abortion extremists have found their next target. (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/11/03/battleground-nebraska-antiabortion-extremists-set-their-sights-north-wichita)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
edit: wrong thread  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 04, 2009, 10:57:48 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 04, 2009, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 04, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
As such a strict follower of the Constitution, I am surprised you have never heard of the House of Representatives!

Now that you have more dems in the house Im sure we will have a public option... right? Right?

The House already has a public option you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2009, 12:10:38 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 04, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
Not quite. I'm most definitely a Republican, but Flame is representative of the new and re-energized right that has no room for moderates. I come from a family of conservatives, and while I am more socially progressive then they are, even they are feeling kind of left out.

If being a Republican now constitutes living in a fantasy world detached from reality, prizing your ideology before results, never willing to compromise, hating those that are pro-choice, stopping gays from getting married and supporting frivolous military spending while axing social programs - then yes, I am probably not a Republican.


Shorter Willco:  "I signed up for Connie Morella, not this shit!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 12:22:27 AM
 :lol

I  :heartbeat Connie Morella. Certainly a lot more than Van Hollen. I won't deny she had huge sway in my decision to register as a Republican. Did you also get to visit her when you were our "program"?

She was so dreamy. :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 05, 2009, 02:32:26 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_York_%28LPD-21%29

First I heard about this.  The only possible explanation is "lol bush" but apparently it will actually be commissioned this sunday.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 06:39:05 AM
Quote
If being a Republican now constitutes living in a fantasy world detached from reality, prizing your ideology before results, never willing to compromise, hating those that are pro-choice, stopping gays from getting married and supporting frivolous military spending while axing social programs - then yes, I am probably not a Republican.

I'm pro choice, have no problem with gays getting married and don't support military spending...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2009, 06:56:16 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 06:39:05 AM
Quote
If being a Republican now constitutes living in a fantasy world detached from reality, prizing your ideology before results, never willing to compromise, hating those that are pro-choice, stopping gays from getting married and supporting frivolous military spending while axing social programs - then yes, I am probably not a Republican.

I'm pro choice, have no problem with gays getting married and don't support military spending...

Um, what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 05, 2009, 08:06:17 AM
I think he's just quoting from his "Libertarian Platitude of the Day" toilet paper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 09:36:27 AM
I know it's hard for your little brains to accept something that doesn't fall into your simple categories.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 09:54:01 AM
(http://thisainthell.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/welcome_back_carter.jpg)
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 10:40:15 AM
Israel: Commandos seize huge Iranian arms shipment

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arms_boat (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_arms_boat)
Quote
JERUSALEM – Open crates from a cargo ship seized Wednesday by Israel revealed dark green missiles inside. Containers from the vessel bore writing in English that said "I.R. Iranian Shipping Lines Group."
Israel alleged that the shipment of hundreds of tons of rockets, missiles, mortars, grenades and anti-tank weapons — the largest it ever seized — was headed for Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

:o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 11:57:48 AM
Israel probably sent the weapons
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 01:29:43 PM
http://cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

GOP protest at the capitol live. This is surreal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Robo on November 05, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 09:54:01 AM
(http://thisainthell.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/welcome_back_carter.jpg)
 :lol :lol


(http://i34.tinypic.com/x1c6c9.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 01:37:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 01:29:43 PM
http://cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN3_wm.aspx

GOP protest at the capitol live. This is surreal


So much FUD. So many morons. I hope billionairs for wealthcare are there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 01:48:10 PM
The GOP is really putting it all on the line for health care because they know that when it passes and becomes very popular, it will be thrown in their face for every election from here on out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 01:53:54 PM
They're having a benediction at this protest? :lol

DEATH CARE?! :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 01:55:57 PM
They have a black pastor giving the benediction, pulling the death panel card.

"we believe abortion is in this bill, and abortion is anti Christ"

edit: they're dismantling the GOP on live television. This can't be life  /jay z
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 05, 2009, 02:01:56 PM
So, wait. Right-wing conservatives are actually trying to kill the Republican party? Makes sense, since I know tons of conservatives who vehemently deny being a Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 05, 2009, 01:48:10 PM
The GOP is really putting it all on the line for health care because they know that when it passes and becomes very popular, it will be thrown in their face for every election from here on out.

THis makes no sense at all. If they knew it was going pass why would they want it to be thrown in their face?

Logic fail
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
They don't if it'll pass, but they do not know if it does, they're fucked. Logic fail, Flame. Logic fail.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 05, 2009, 01:48:10 PM
The GOP is really putting it all on the line for health care because they know that when it passes and becomes very popular, it will be thrown in their face for every election from here on out.

THis makes no sense at all. If they knew it was going pass why would they want it to be thrown in their face?

Logic fail

They don't want it to pass. Why do you think they are having a 'rally' in DC today. But thankfully, they are powerless to do anything about it. Unless they instigate a riot and take Dems out the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 02:43:06 PM
Apparently, they've already arrested like 9 tea baggers :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:44:26 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 05, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
They don't want it to pass. Why do you think they are having a 'rally' in DC today. But thankfully, they are powerless to do anything about it. Unless they instigate a riot and take Dems out the old fashioned way.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29167.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29167.html)




Quote
Election Day losses in Virginia and New Jersey have congressional Democrats focused like never before on jobs — their own.

While the White House and party leaders are urging calm, Democratic incumbents from red states and Republican-leaning districts are anything but; Tuesday's statehouse defeats have left them acutely aware that their votes on health care reform and other major Obama initiatives could be career-enders in 2010 or beyond.

“I should be nervous,” said Rep. Parker Griffith, a freshman Democrat from Huntsville, Ala.

Griffith said the Democratic rank and file is “very, very sensitive” to the fact that issues being pushed by party leaders “have the potential to cost some of our front-line members their seats.”

House Democrats, forced to take a tough vote on a controversial cap-and-trade climate change bill in June, may have to vote as earlier as this weekend on the even more controversial health care bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team have struggled to get moderates on board for that vote, and Tuesday's results won't make the task any easier.


hmmm

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/protesters-arrested-at-liebermans-office.html

I was unaware of this faction of tea baggers. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 02:45:21 PM
That's why Obama pulled out the big guns with AARP and AMA today. Mmm, health care reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
aarp lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:46:41 PM
Isn't there an episode of matlock on right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
The same politico that has repeatedly run stories of the public option being dead by quoting anonymous white house aides. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 05, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/protesters-arrested-at-liebermans-office.html

I was unaware of this faction of tea baggers. :smug

O SNAP. Oh well, I'm sure some tea baggers will be arrested before the day is over. :smug

... I like how Flame laughs at the AARP, as if old people don't vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 05, 2009, 02:45:09 PM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/protesters-arrested-at-liebermans-office.html

I was unaware of this faction of tea baggers. :smug

The frame of video they chose to have it on is hilarious. It looks like the guards of giving that old man a ride and he is enjoying it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:48:15 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 05, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
The same politico that has repeatedly run stories of the public option being dead by quoting anonymous white house aides. :smug

you're right I should quote huffington post instead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 02:49:54 PM
To be fair, I take anonymous source quotes with a large grain of salt regardless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 02:50:16 PM
They don't want it to pass for the same reason they didn't want medicare and social security to pass. It'll be popular and democrats will get the credit. Hatch basically admitted as much
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/65853-hatch-health-bills-threaten-two-party-system

Now obviously the question could be "bububu if that's true they'd just support the bill." Not really. Their wingnut constituents are moving to the far right, and they have to move with them.

I'm not gonna say the GOP is dead, but they're purging moderates from the party; I could kinda understand that in races in the south, but not upstate NY and other places with more "liberal" minded republicans. Independents aren't going to stand for this, man
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
The GOP is doing sooo bad they are winning elections.  :lol


Never Change you guys  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 02:53:09 PM
American Cancer Society also threw their support behind the House bill today. So that's AARP, AMA and ACS.

bu bu bu it will kill old people. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
The GOP is doing sooo bad they are winning elections.  :lol

Not any in Congress. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
The GOP is doing sooo bad they are winning elections.  :lol


Never Change you guys  :lol

I doubt you're this dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2009, 03:08:11 PM
my worry is that more free-floating independents and moderates could pull democrats more towards the right
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 03:08:18 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
The GOP is doing sooo bad they are winning elections.  :lol


Never Change you guys  :lol
They unseated 2 hugely unpopular Dems. What an amazing accomplishment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 03:09:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 03:05:29 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 02:52:15 PM
The GOP is doing sooo bad they are winning elections.  :lol


Never Change you guys  :lol

I doubt you're this dumb.

(http://portraitxpress.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/obama-believe.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 03:39:05 PM
I just e-mailed my House rep and told him if he doesn't vote for health care reform that I will gladly vote for someone else next election. :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 05, 2009, 03:59:31 PM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2009, 04:07:48 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_budget_office_th.html

Republicans release their own alternative healthcare "plan".

CBO scores their plan, finds it wouldn't reduce the amount of uninsured people, and wouldn't lower the deficit as much as the Democratic plan.

Keep in mind this is the best-case, idealized GOP plan on paper compared with the already compromised Democratic bill that's actually on its way to passing.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 04:08:26 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 05, 2009, 03:39:05 PM
I just e-mailed my House rep and told him if he doesn't vote for health care reform that I will gladly vote for someone else next election. :american

Awesome now they have one letter for every 100 letters against.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
Willco can you send me a copy of that letter too, I'm running out of toilet paper.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
Willco can you send me a copy of that letter too, I'm running out of toilet paper.

I think we know how you deal with that problem. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=10163.msg246866#msg246866)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 04:25:35 PM
Mandark, that bill would cover 3 million people by 2019. I think the republicans are turning over a new leaf. A tear is coming to my eye.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 04:26:40 PM
 :lol

... And I seriously doubt Chris Van Hollen, whose district includes Prince George's County, is facing much resistance for health care reform from constituents. I just wanted to let him know where I stand! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
I'm gonna write to my congressman and ask for a free car. :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
FoC, would you be on board with health care reform if it involved vouchers?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 06:57:22 PM
Mass transit :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
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Republicans are learning an unpleasant lesson this morning: The only thing worse than having no health-care reform plan is releasing a bad one, getting thrashed by CBO and making the House Democrats look good in comparison.

Late last night, the Congressional Budget Office released its initial analysis of the health-care reform plan that Republican Minority Leader John Boehner offered as a substitute to the Democratic legislation. CBO begins with the baseline estimate that 17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won't have health-care insurance in 2010. In 2019, after 10 years of the Republican plan, CBO estimates that ...17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won't have health-care insurance. The Republican alternative will have helped 3 million people secure coverage, which is barely keeping up with population growth. Compare that to the Democratic bill, which covers 36 million more people and cuts the uninsured population to 4 percent.

But maybe, you say, the Republican bill does a really good job cutting costs. According to CBO, the GOP's alternative will shave $68 billion off the deficit in the next 10 years. The Democrats, CBO says, will slice $104 billion off the deficit.

The Democratic bill, in other words, covers 12 times as many people and saves $36 billion more than the Republican plan. And amazingly, the Democratic bill has already been through three committees and a merger process. It's already been shown to interest groups and advocacy organizations and industry stakeholders. It's already made its compromises with reality. It's already been through the legislative sausage grinder. And yet it saves more money and covers more people than the blank-slate alternative proposed by John Boehner and the House Republicans. The Democrats, constrained by reality, produced a far better plan than Boehner, who was constrained solely by his political imagination and legislative skill.

This is a major embarrassment for the Republicans. It's one thing to keep your cards close to your chest. Republicans are in the minority, after all, and their plan stands no chance of passage. It's another to lay them out on the table and show everyone that you have no hand, and aren't even totally sure how to play the game. The Democratic plan isn't perfect, but in comparison, it's looking astonishingly good.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_budget_office_th.html
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2009, 07:28:16 PM
At least the charade is over and the gop was behind the tea baggers all along. Grass roots uprising my ass.  :lol I guess it helps having a TV channel devoted to pushing the gop agenda.
What still strikes me is that for all the lies the gop has perpetrated under Bush, people still believe them. Masochists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
From an acquaintance of mine:

"mebbe obama planned the frt hood shootin to shift focus from angry americans"

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: huckleberry on November 05, 2009, 08:20:57 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 05, 2009, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 05, 2009, 04:10:15 PM
Willco can you send me a copy of that letter too, I'm running out of toilet paper.

I think we know how you deal with that problem. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=10163.msg246866#msg246866)


 
:rofl

choggle pants omfg.




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 05, 2009, 08:34:58 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 05, 2009, 03:08:11 PM
my worry is that more free-floating independents and moderates could pull democrats more towards the right


Maybe for chickenshit handwringers like Ben Nelson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 05, 2009, 11:31:27 PM
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These sorts of contradictions were apparent everywhere. But one thing about the rally proved sparklingly clear: Michele Bachmann is a major star. When she stepped up to the podium on the Capitol steps, the crowd went wild. It wasn’t too hard to imagine the event as a warm up for the 2012 presidential election, where Bachmann might prove a far more viable candidate than Sarah Palin. The rally confirmed her primacy as a leading voice of the Republican Party—a party that, with this protest, has fully embraced the conservative movement's most extreme elements.

... Oh my God. Let Bachmann run for President, Obama would win so easily. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2009, 12:26:30 AM
George Will wrote a column defending Bachmann and David Brooks wrote one with a very generous interpretation of the Tea Bagging movement.

I'd much rather have a sane GOP that I disagree with than the current, nutbar version, but I don't see how we'd get back to that point.  IME with situations like this, the cranks are more passionate and more committed to getting their way than the reasonable people, who will either make concessions to get some peace and quiet, or just up and leave.

Especially if there's a persistent Democratic majority, you figure a lot of center-right economists, diplomats, and other wonks will leave the GOP in order to have a shot at actually influencing policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 06, 2009, 02:24:02 AM
Has George Will ever written an oped worth reading? Really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2009, 03:58:25 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 06, 2009, 02:24:02 AM
Has George Will ever written an oped worth reading? Really.

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Demon Denim

By George F. Will
Thursday, April 16, 2009

On any American street, or in any airport or mall, you see the same sad tableau: A 10-year-old boy is walking with his father, whose development was evidently arrested when he was that age, judging by his clothes. Father and son are dressed identically -- running shoes, T-shirts. And jeans, always jeans. If mother is there, she, too, is draped in denim.

Writer Daniel Akst has noticed and has had a constructive conniption. He should be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He has earned it by identifying an obnoxious misuse of freedom. Writing in the Wall Street Journal, he has denounced denim, summoning Americans to soul-searching and repentance about the plague of that ubiquitous fabric, which is symptomatic of deep disorders in the national psyche.

It is, he says, a manifestation of "the modern trend toward undifferentiated dressing, in which we all strive to look equally shabby." Denim reflects "our most nostalgic and destructive agrarian longings -- the ones that prompted all those exurban McMansions now sliding off their manicured lawns and into foreclosure." Jeans come prewashed and acid-treated to make them look like what they are not -- authentic work clothes for horny-handed sons of toil and the soil. Denim on the bourgeoisie is, Akst says, the wardrobe equivalent of driving a Hummer to a Whole Foods store -- discordant.

Long ago, when James Dean and Marlon Brando wore it, denim was, Akst says, "a symbol of youthful defiance." Today, Silicon Valley billionaires are rebels without causes beyond poses, wearing jeans when introducing new products. Akst's summa contra denim is grand as far as it goes, but it only scratches the surface of this blight on Americans' surfaces. Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults ("Seinfeld," "Two and a Half Men") and cartoons for adults ("King of the Hill"). Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote. In their undifferentiated dress, children and their childish parents become undifferentiated audiences for juvenilized movies (the six -- so far -- "Batman" adventures and "Indiana Jones and the Credit-Default Swaps," coming soon to a cineplex near you). Denim is the clerical vestment for the priesthood of all believers in democracy's catechism of leveling -- thou shalt not dress better than society's most slovenly. To do so would be to commit the sin of lookism -- of believing that appearance matters. That heresy leads to denying the universal appropriateness of everything, and then to the elitist assertion that there is good and bad taste.

Denim is the carefully calculated costume of people eager to communicate indifference to appearances. But the appearances that people choose to present in public are cues from which we make inferences about their maturity and respect for those to whom they are presenting themselves.

Do not blame Levi Strauss for the misuse of Levi's. When the Gold Rush began, Strauss moved to San Francisco planning to sell strong fabric for the 49ers' tents and wagon covers. Eventually, however, he made tough pants, reinforced by copper rivets, for the tough men who knelt on the muddy, stony banks of Northern California creeks, panning for gold. Today it is silly for Americans whose closest approximation of physical labor consists of loading their bags of clubs into golf carts to go around in public dressed for driving steers up the Chisholm Trail to the railhead in Abilene.

This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly.

Edmund Burke -- what he would have thought of the denimization of America can be inferred from his lament that the French Revolution assaulted "the decent drapery of life"; it is a straight line from the fall of the Bastille to the rise of denim -- said: "To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely." Ours would be much more so if supposed grown-ups would heed St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, and St. Barack's inaugural sermon to the Americans, by putting away childish things, starting with denim.

(A confession: The author owns one pair of jeans. Wore them once. Had to. Such was the dress code for former senator Jack Danforth's 70th birthday party, where Jerry Jeff Walker sang his classic "Up Against the Wall, Redneck Mother." Music for a jeans-wearing crowd.)

:punch Denim :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2009, 04:23:10 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 06, 2009, 02:24:02 AM
Has George Will ever written an oped worth reading? Really.

Well, there was that one time he totally misrepresented a bunch of research on climate change, and no one called him on it because he's a "Very Serious Person" which was kind of worth knowing all about just so you can understand how completely full of shit the mainstream media is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 06, 2009, 09:09:46 AM
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well, there was that one time he totally misrepresented a bunch of research on climate change,

George Will not Al Gore.

Zing!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 06, 2009, 12:23:18 PM
Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry oped on letting the states take care of health care reform,  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110504328.html) that is despite the fact that his state leads the nation in uninsured. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/dont_listen_to_texas.html) :lol

Texas, never change. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2009, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 06, 2009, 12:23:18 PM
Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry oped on letting the states take care of health care reform,  (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/05/AR2009110504328.html) that is despite the fact that his state leads the nation in uninsured. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/dont_listen_to_texas.html) :lol

Texas, never change. :lol

This is similar to the southern strategy on civil rights- "We was gettin' ready to give them uppity negras rights, honest!  These things just take time!  Don't rush us!"  *sips mint julep brought to him by handsome mandingo houseservant*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2009, 04:20:41 PM
It's weird how tort reform, despite being a pretty dry policy idea that would benefit a small portion of the population, has taken on an almost totemic significance in American conservatism.  It's a big applause line at campaign rallies and suchlike.

When it's brought up in op-eds like that one, there's usually very little context about how malpractice insurance premiums relate to actual defense costs, how those costs are affected by frivolous lawsuits, whether there's a better system for discouraging actual, you know medical malpractice.

Cause the system is there to deal with a real life problem, and it's a bit myopic to talk about it as if it served no other purpose than to siphon money away from doctors. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 06, 2009, 04:25:02 PM
Also, I could be wrong, but I think I've read that malpractice costs represent a fraction of the health care costs. So even if tort reform, in all its glory, would be passed to appease conservatives, it would do very little in driving down skyrocketing health care costs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 06, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
Interesting idea was also proposed today, that Bachmann is ratcheting up the crazy because she is going to make a bid for the White House, knowing full well that she could lose her seat with this crazy rhetoric next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2009, 04:47:30 PM
Another thing about tort reform that Claire McCaskill (who is annoying but likable) has repeatedly pointed out- some states have enacted pretty tough tort reform (her home state of Missouri among them) and it's had fuck all of an effect on health care costs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 06, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
I'm a fan of some Tort reform but not as any meaningful way of reforming healthcare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2009, 05:26:41 PM
http://twitter.com/msnbcheadlines (http://twitter.com/msnbcheadlines)

MSNBC's twitter hacked, lulz ensue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 06, 2009, 05:32:09 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2009, 05:26:41 PM
http://twitter.com/msnbcheadlines (http://twitter.com/msnbcheadlines)

MSNBC's twitter hacked, lulz ensue

Any screenshots? It's down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
Bah, sorry about that.  I'm sure there will be in a bit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 06, 2009, 06:52:11 PM
Holy balls

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/jon-stewart-does-glenn-be_n_348129.html

:rofl :rofl

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 06, 2009, 07:08:24 PM
Also, it's like I keep saying, everything can be solved with vouchers (http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002322/).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2009, 08:15:50 PM
Why would tort reform not be popular amongst conservatives, who feel that welfare consists primarily of ghetto queens popping out baby after baby for that government check?  Much like the economic crash was caused by poor people getting generous home loans, tort reform aims to stop poor people from suing doctors or pharmaceutical companies.  Unsurprisingly, poor people agree with the reform.

As for the moderate GOP purge, things will normalize in a while.  I think a lot of Republicans are just waiting to see what happens with the teabaggers.  Those that hitch their wagons to the movement like Bachmann will get booted out once the movement turns unpopular, which might be happening here in the next few months.  Once the GOP moneyed elite or whatever sees that the teabagger movement is wrecking the party from within (maybe 2010?), with a potential to cause an even greater loss in 2012 than 2008, they'll probably reign it in.

Next year's races are all going to be about the economy (specifically whether or not the trillions pumped into the system worked, at least perception wise) and while teabaggers might prevent any victories in areas they want to put a dark horse / third party candidate in, several vulnerable swing seats might go back to the GOP.  Obama better pray for a Christmas miracle this year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 06, 2009, 09:04:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 06, 2009, 06:52:11 PM
Holy balls

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/jon-stewart-does-glenn-be_n_348129.html

Oh, Jon. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20120a65cb52e970b-800wi)

WHAT NOW OBAMA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 07, 2009, 12:06:21 AM
Dumb observation but I notice that starting in 1981, every recession since then has taken longer and longer before complete unemployment recovery.  There was barely a recovery period between the end of the 2001 recession and the start of the 2007, according to that chart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2009, 01:39:34 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2009, 09:18:23 PM
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20120a65cb52e970b-800wi)

WHAT NOW OBAMA

Huckabee 2012 confirmed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2009, 02:28:07 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 06, 2009, 04:25:02 PM
Also, I could be wrong, but I think I've read that malpractice costs represent a fraction of the health care costs. So even if tort reform, in all its glory, would be passed to appease conservatives, it would do very little in driving down skyrocketing health care costs.

Yeah.  It's like when people bring up earmarks in the context of the federal budget.  Maybe the system is flawed, but even if we reduced it to zero we've still barely made a dent in the overall problem.


What I've read from sources I generally trust:

1) The costs of malpractice settlements, awards, and defense costs are kind of detached from the costs of malpractice insurance.  That has to do with the insurers acting as pseudo-banks and raising rates when their investments do badly.

2) A small percentage of doctors are responsible for a majority of malpractice suits.  Only a small fraction of cases of malpractice result in lawsuits, and only a small fraction of doctors who commit malpractice are disciplined (a significantly lower rate than lawyers, for example).  The studies about preventable deaths from bad practices in hospitals always seem to turn up terrifyingly high numbers.

3) There are a bunch of frivolous lawsuits, but a lot are filed for the purposes of getting information.  Hospitals often won't provide records of what happened unless they're forced to by the discovery process.

4) European countries generally have a lot lower malpractice rates, but that's largely because A) they've got big bureaucracies to regulate this stuff rather than leaving it to the courts, and B) if you get injured in a botched surgery, various welfare programs pick up the tab anyway.



This is one of those cases where I'm open to the idea that the current system is flawed and could be improved, but the people who are making the most noise about reform are mostly talking out of their rear.


Quote from: T EXP
Dumb observation but I notice that starting in 1981, every recession since then has taken longer and longer before complete unemployment recovery.  There was barely a recovery period between the end of the 2001 recession and the start of the 2007, according to that chart.

More specifically, it's taken longer for the jobs to recover.

We've already got GDP and productivity growth, but jobs are still falling.  Jobless recoveries happened during the last two recessions, while beforehand jobs basically moved along with overall growth.  I don't think they've figured out what changed 20ish years ago to make it that way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 07, 2009, 08:30:46 AM
Quote from: T EXP on November 07, 2009, 12:06:21 AM
There was barely a recovery period between the end of the 2001 recession and the start of the 2007, according to that chart.
dubbed a "jobless recovery". many economists are speculating as to whether there has been a structural shift in the labor market, with a higher natural rate of unemployment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2009, 09:08:49 AM
 :lol :lol at the mantra of republicans being brought back in to fix the economy/jobs situation they created. How fucking stupid can people be?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2009, 09:50:22 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 07, 2009, 09:08:49 AM
:lol :lol at the mantra of republicans being brought back in to fix the economy/jobs situation they created. How fucking stupid can people be?  :lol

Pretty fucking stupid, but in a head to head comparison in 2012 I'm fairly confident no one on that side is going to beat Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2009, 10:50:37 AM
Ugggh, so apparently abortion is going to be stripped not only from any public plan, but also must be stripped from any private plan involved in whatever exchange they set up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 07, 2009, 10:56:41 AM
I think it is pretty stupid to put off voting on the thing until next year.  Considering the general support for a public option, why would you put it off for a few months, where that opinion could easily turn around?  Also the longer it drags on, the shittier the bill seems to get because of all the new amendments they want to add like this abortion thing and the olive branch to the pharmaceuticals.

Limpdick Democrats ftl.  They should have just taken a page from the Bush era GOP and accused everyone against the bill of sedition.  Shit would include a strong public option and would have been passed and signed into law three months ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2009, 12:10:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 07, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 07, 2009, 10:50:37 AM
Ugggh, so apparently abortion is going to be stripped not only from any public plan, but also must be stripped from any private plan involved in whatever exchange they set up.

Uhh.

It was never supposed to be allowable under the "public option," if this set of legislators and the president are to be believed. 

Granted, there's an exploitable loophole there the size of a mack truck, which I'm guessing some people wanted to use as a run around the Hyde Amendment... thankfully, that shit really won't fly in this country, nor should it be expected to.

Unfortunately you don't know what you're talking about. The public option involves no gov't appropriations and the Hyde Amendment is completely moot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2009, 12:17:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 07, 2009, 11:34:01 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 07, 2009, 10:50:37 AM
Ugggh, so apparently abortion is going to be stripped not only from any public plan, but also must be stripped from any private plan involved in whatever exchange they set up.

Uhh.

It was never supposed to be allowable under the "public option," if this set of legislators and the president are to be believed. 

Granted, there's an exploitable loophole there the size of a mack truck, which I'm guessing some people wanted to use as a run around the Hyde Amendment... thankfully, that shit really won't fly in this country, nor should it be expected to.

I don't think that you're looking at the cost/benefit analysis of this properly... think of the relative cost in your tax dollars of aborting one welfare baby fetus as opposed to paying for the child's health care, education and eventual incarceration!  Some objectivist you are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
People should be forced to get abortions in back alleys and run down warehouses - like the good 'ole days!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 07, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
I'm 100% in favor of government paid abortions.  That and euthanasia too while we're at it.  In a world of dwindling natural resources, if people want to stop bringing life (or continuing their life) to the planet, that should not be shunned.

We'd be a lot worse off as a country if those 40+ million abortions were not performed.  I guarantee you this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 07, 2009, 03:16:43 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 07, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
People should be forced to get abortions in back alleys and run down warehouses - like the good 'ole days!

no no no no no they just shouldn't DO IT, IT IS MURDER, MURDER, MUURRRRRDEEEERRRRRRR <huffs in paper bag>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 03:53:36 PM
Poor JayDubya. :lol

Apparently, abortion is not one of those things people can agree to disagree on. It's either you're right or you're evil!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 04:00:44 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/41402243.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1257628581&Signature=Ta43gQWZj8rdOuIdoniwyeMavHU%3D)

Please don't fail me, House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2009, 04:09:16 PM
It's a pretty rare thing to see a religious libertarian.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2009, 04:18:49 PM
I'm pretty sure he's not religious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2009, 04:37:36 PM
I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 07, 2009, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 07, 2009, 04:03:35 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 07, 2009, 03:53:36 PM
Poor JayDubya. :lol

Apparently, abortion is not one of those things people can agree to disagree on. It's either you're right or you're evil!
Does he agree that fetuses are delicious? :drool

i been meaning to axe you, what red goes best with fetus

or are fetuses more chickeny, and is a white appropriate

or are they like cheesecake, and a dessert blush will suffice

OH GOD I MUST KNOW, BOOKING TRIP TO RURAL CHINA NOW
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 07, 2009, 04:48:41 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2009, 04:18:49 PM
I'm pretty sure he's not religious.

he's religious; he just hasn't found a specific anthropomorphic god that satisfies his rigorous criteria yet per se
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 07, 2009, 04:50:03 PM
fetus paella sounds delish :drool :drool :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2009, 04:37:36 PM
I OBJECT I OBJECT I OBJECT

Hearsay, objection! That's lawyer talk!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 07, 2009, 06:54:49 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 07, 2009, 05:03:15 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say that pairing with with fetus is based more on the sauce it's served in, rather than any inherent quality that exists in a fetus, unlike say, foie gras.

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2009, 07:32:25 PM
[youtube=560,345]kDE51hAG-1Y[/youtube]
 :lol

I wish I could get paid 6 figures to say whatever I wanted. After all no one watched cspan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
[youtube=560,345]ewafPV2brQA[/youtube]

:lol

Some all-time great stuff going down on the floor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2009, 07:51:05 PM
Reminded me of

[youtube=560,345]nYc2JWSpSvI[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 08:02:09 PM
Quote from: Huffington Post
7:20 PM ET -- Democratic aides: We've got the votes. "Today we will pass the Affordable Health Care for America Act," Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on the House floor Saturday evening. Politico is reporting that Democrats have at least the 218 votes needed to pass the bill. Three Democratic aides tell HuffPost the same thing.

Woot woot!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2009, 08:49:49 PM
[youtube=560,345]qC9lWoI43Qo[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2009, 08:56:24 PM
That baby is pretty chubby. I hope she gets denied coverage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2009, 11:13:50 PM
lol

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Frank Mocks Health Reform Protesters, Bachmann

Rep. Barney Frank took a swipe at Rep. Michele Bachmann for organizing a rally to protest the Democrats' health care plan.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic Rep. Barney Frank took a dig Friday at the Republican lawmaker who organized a protest by conservatives against health care legislation.

Frank, a Massachusetts liberal, told an audience: "Some of the people (at the rally) that wanted to engage me in conversation appeared to have been the losers in the 'Are you smarter than Michele Bachmann contest?"'

Rep. Bachmann, R-Minn., had organized Thursday's rally attended by thousands of conservatives critical of the Democrats' health care plan. Her spokeswoman did not respond to requests for comment. Frank, who recently compared arguing with an angry voter to conversing with a dining room table, said this week's protest was like being trapped inside a furniture warehouse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 07, 2009, 11:24:02 PM
The response from conservatives will literally be, "oh yeah, well you're gay!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 07, 2009, 11:47:44 PM
It passed? It passed! Yay! :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 07, 2009, 11:48:35 PM
:rock :rock democratic socialism :rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 08, 2009, 12:01:45 AM
House health care bill passed. The Senate bill needs to pass, and then both will form another bill based on the two that will have to voted on again by both bodies. We're looking at December at the earliest in terms of a final vote.

It will take years for most of us to feel an effect. You can't make sweeping changes automatically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 08, 2009, 12:02:54 AM
With the House vote, now the battle for Middle Earth begins!

ONWARDS TO THE SENATE!

Final bill will be public option with the state opt out option, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2009, 01:03:55 AM
Nice win for republicans tonight, I don't know if the democrats will recover
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 08, 2009, 01:09:20 AM
Quote from: Mamacint
Frank, who recently compared arguing with an angry voter to conversing with a dining room table, said this week's protest was like being trapped inside a furniture warehouse.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 08, 2009, 02:43:44 AM
So how's the senate stacked for and against the bill that passed the house?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TEEEPO on November 08, 2009, 03:38:49 AM
(http://www.evilbore.com/forum/Smileys/default/jam.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2009, 08:11:24 AM
With this sort of persuasive power, I'm amazed that you guys haven't won over the electorate yet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2009, 09:58:12 AM
BUT BUT BUT THE CONSTITUTION MANDARK!  CONTRACTS!  FREEDOM!
Title: More converts just mean less space in heaven
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
I'll say this in support of Prole's theory:  seems a lot of these guys would rather bask in the certitude of their own, objective, metaphysical rightness than try to get results in the real world.

At least when a religious person prioritizes their own acceptance of the Revealed Truths of the Universe over proselytizing to the enemy, there's an expected payoff after death.

What's in it for the libertarian who knows that property rights exist, and doesn't care whether he convinces anyone of the fact?  An eternal life in heaven with 70 virgin Sally Hemmingses?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 08, 2009, 11:11:00 AM
In Libertarianism the truth of religion is revealed: It was never about the after-life.  Hard-headed certitude is an end in itself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 09, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Pulled from Right Wing Watch:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/09/florida-tea-party/

Next year will be interesting.

Edit: I'm loving this extremist rhetoric - http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df110609.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 09, 2009, 08:06:06 PM
In news from Seattle, our mayoral race was just called. Mike McGinn, the environmentalist leftie Democrat defeated the not as far to the left Democrat Joe Mallahan, a T-Mobile executive who outspent him with $230,000 of his own money.

:rock Grassroots :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2009, 09:13:25 PM
:rock united socialist states of america, here we cum :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 09, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
obama to send in more of Are Troops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on November 09, 2009, 11:17:07 PM
Since you all are more obsessed with politics than I think I could ever be, would you say Fox News is post-ironic?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 10, 2009, 08:03:16 AM
Quote from: Crushed on November 09, 2009, 09:27:19 PM
obama to send in more of Are Troops

Anti-war president!!! :rock
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Think he'll get the same backlash that Bush got for the "surge"

The surge that ended up working.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2009, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 10, 2009, 08:03:16 AM
The surge that ended up working.

[youtube=560,345]-BCl8Tqatzw[/youtube]


Quote from: Rep. Ron Paul (R-Candyland)
So the surge was an absolute failure
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 10, 2009, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: T EXP on November 09, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
Pulled from Right Wing Watch:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/09/florida-tea-party/

Next year will be interesting.

Edit: I'm loving this extremist rhetoric - http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df110609.html
I hate Florida...  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 10, 2009, 10:13:25 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 10, 2009, 09:01:46 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 10, 2009, 08:03:16 AM
The surge that ended up working.

[youtube=560,345]-BCl8Tqatzw[/youtube]


Quote from: Rep. Ron Paul (R-Candyland)
So the surge was an absolute failure

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
Oh my (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/poll-snowe-could-lose-2012-gop-primary-in-landslide-to-conservative-challenger.php?ref=fpblg)

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Poll: Snowe Could Lose 2012 GOP Primary In Landslide To Conservative Challenger
Eric Kleefeld | November 10, 2009, 11:07AM

A new survey of Maine from Public Policy Polling (D) has some dire news for Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), with the moderate Republican potentially losing her 2012 Republican primary against a generic conservative challenger -- and by a landslide, no less.

The numbers: Conservative challenger 59%, Snowe 31%, with a ±4.8% margin of error. It is of course a long way from the idea of a generic conservative challenger to having an actual candidate, but the potential for success by just such an insurgent is certainly there.

Snowe's overall approval is 51%, to 36% disapproval. Democrats approve of her by 60%-29%, Republicans disapprove by 40%-46%, and independents approve by 51%-33%.

The pollster's analysis notes the importance of her vote for a health care bill in the Senate Finance Committee: "Snowe's numbers are steady with independents but down with both Democrats and Republicans compared to three weeks ago, an indication of the perilous political position she finds herself in. Republicans are mad at her for supporting any Democratic bill, while Democrats still are not completely happy with her because of her hesitance to support a public option."

2012 is a long way off, but still.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2009, 01:15:01 PM
Future party switch ahoy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 10, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
Good, get those fucks out of the Republican party so I can go back to being a Conservative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 10, 2009, 03:05:04 PM
Eric Cantor, Minority Whip is Jewish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
That's like saying J. C. Watts is proof black people are natural Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 10, 2009, 03:21:24 PM
I think it's one thing to say Republicans have a token black representative, but Cantor is a pretty high-profile representative within the party. Also, Lieberman,

Need I say more?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2009, 03:50:36 PM
Michael Steele!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 10, 2009, 07:33:28 PM
lol @ FoC attempting to defend nation building by expanding troop counts on foreign soil
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2009, 08:17:02 PM
lol

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911100038
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2009, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 10, 2009, 12:32:46 PM
Oh my (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/poll-snowe-could-lose-2012-gop-primary-in-landslide-to-conservative-challenger.php?ref=fpblg)

Quote
Poll: Snowe Could Lose 2012 GOP Primary In Landslide To Conservative Challenger
Eric Kleefeld | November 10, 2009, 11:07AM

A new survey of Maine from Public Policy Polling (D) has some dire news for Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME), with the moderate Republican potentially losing her 2012 Republican primary against a generic conservative challenger -- and by a landslide, no less.

The numbers: Conservative challenger 59%, Snowe 31%, with a ±4.8% margin of error. It is of course a long way from the idea of a generic conservative challenger to having an actual candidate, but the potential for success by just such an insurgent is certainly there.

Snowe's overall approval is 51%, to 36% disapproval. Democrats approve of her by 60%-29%, Republicans disapprove by 40%-46%, and independents approve by 51%-33%.

The pollster's analysis notes the importance of her vote for a health care bill in the Senate Finance Committee: "Snowe's numbers are steady with independents but down with both Democrats and Republicans compared to three weeks ago, an indication of the perilous political position she finds herself in. Republicans are mad at her for supporting any Democratic bill, while Democrats still are not completely happy with her because of her hesitance to support a public option."

2012 is a long way off, but still.


Good. Maybe she'll pull her head out of her ass and actually join the party she at least has some things in common with.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2009, 11:03:49 PM
Paraphrased Milton Himmelfarb:  Jews live like Republicans but vote like Puerto Ricans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2009, 12:21:28 AM
(http://fffuuucomics.com/big.jpg?im=0290.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 11, 2009, 12:25:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 11, 2009, 12:21:28 AM
[img]http://fffuuucomics.com/big.jpg?im=0290.jpg[img]

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2009, 12:27:40 AM
lol @ the comic.


Also, would it be too much trouble not to quote the entire damn thing? :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 11, 2009, 12:35:03 AM
that would be funny, but then i remember that the guy who made all those comics turned out to be a pedophile who committed statutory rape
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2009, 01:19:04 AM
are you fucking serious? lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 11, 2009, 11:49:07 AM
Quote
Family Feud: How Much Is Moon Church Conflict Driving Wash Times Turmoil?
Justin Elliott | November 10, 2009, 1:25PM

The Sunday firings of executives at the Washington Times and the possible exit of its top editor are apparently being driven more than previously known by last month's transfer of power of the Unification Church and associated business empire from Rev. Sun Myung Moon to his children.

And it looks like the trouble between the Washington Times and Unification Church headquarters in South Korea has been simmering for some time. The AP -- not the church-owned Washington Times -- was given the October 12 scoop about transfer of day-to-day operations to the three sons.

A second newsroom source tells TPM: "I knew something was wrong between the Times and the Moonies about a month ago" when the AP story ran, calling it "a horrific snub on a matter of that consequence."

The Washington Times had to run the AP version of the story the next day, October 13, and finally getting its own original piece published on the 14th.

In the wake of the shakeup, at least one former Times staffer is worried the paper could fold.

"We always thought that wouldn't happen because they have invested so much in it. But anything is possible with Preston Moon," the former staffer told TPM. The source believes the church has invested up to $2 billion in the newspaper, which was founded in the early 1980s to fight Communism. And the church is running a multi-million dollar annual deficit to keep the institution alive.

We've reached out to get the church's comment in response to our story, but did not immediately hear back. We'll update if and when the church has a statement.

:elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: jiji on November 11, 2009, 11:58:11 AM
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The source believes the church has invested up to $2 billion in the newspaper, which was founded in the early 1980s to fight Communism.

 :punch :punch :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2009, 11:50:09 PM
I'd be kinda sad if it went under.  They've got some good sports reporters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 11, 2009, 11:59:58 PM
Yeah, that's true. All the decent Post writers have sold out to ESPN or similar television interests.

Is there anything better than vintage Kornheiser, from back in his heyday? I remember reading his columns on the bus to Eastern in the mornings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2009, 12:30:57 AM
I still like Kornheiser despite his absolute cockslobbering for Frett Bavre.  His radio show.podcast makes me laugh, and I enjoy PTI.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 12:58:09 AM
Eh, it's nowhere close to the type of stuff he used to put out on the regular when he was just a columnist for the Post. As local boys, both of which I'm sure have read our fair share of Kornheiser columns, it's something Mandark and I share in common. His best stuff was rarely about sports, of if it was about sports, it was just scenery.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2009, 01:09:42 AM
His last couple radio shows/podcasts have had pretty large segments dealing with health care, and I mean it hasn't been incredibly intellectually stimulating, but he seems to be genuinely interested and concerned about that issue.  He's versatile, from what I can tell.  I'm sure you have a better handle on him though, considering my only exposure to him really is through is national success.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 12, 2009, 01:13:43 AM
He's very politically aware since he lives and works (well, used to) in the D.C. area. So politics is something he knows.

I used to find him far more likable before Pardon the Interruption blew up. I feel like he pines for the camera now, and it's a turn off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2009, 01:22:34 AM
I can see that.  He's a shit ton better than those heathens on Around the Horn, and Skip Bayless, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2009, 01:42:18 AM
I used to like him back when he was just on PTI, but after ruining MNF with his endless stupidity and Favre cockslobbering I just can't stand the guy anymore.  It really speaks to his inadequacies as a commentator that Jon Gruden now seems like a genius in the booth...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2009, 02:25:40 AM
This thread needs more Woody Paige

[youtube=560,345]tdRbs7jYu_8[/youtube]
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 12, 2009, 09:11:05 AM
:drudge VP Biden has killed a Man :drudge
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/breaking/Man-killed-by-VP_s-Secret-Service-vehicles-8516536-69763862.html (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/breaking/Man-killed-by-VP_s-Secret-Service-vehicles-8516536-69763862.html)
Quote
Two U.S. Secret Service armored vehicles used to protect Vice President Biden struck and killed a pedestrian in Temple Hills early Wednesday morning, authorities said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 12, 2009, 09:27:18 AM
What a gaffe-machine!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 12, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
even Dick Cheney never actually murdered anyone, that we know of, while he was in office.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 12, 2009, 10:35:41 AM
You don't have an assassination squad if you don't need any killin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 13, 2009, 02:43:33 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 11, 2009, 11:59:58 PM
Yeah, that's true. All the decent Post writers have sold out to ESPN or similar television interests.

Is there anything better than vintage Kornheiser, from back in his heyday? I remember reading his columns on the bus to Eastern in the mornings.

Big nostalgia factor for me.  I used to get the paper each morning and immediately see if he had written a column.

He was one of the few sports journalists who was a really good writer on his own merits (good enough he had a Sunday column in Style).  His stuff was a lot funnier, more engaging, and more perceptive than anyone else I can think of off the bat.

Wilbon said in an interview that Kornheiser worries about his broadcast stuff being dumbed down and no longer having the chops to go back and write like he used to.  Even so, he's eons better than the Jim Romes and Jay Mariottis of the world.



Also, it's a little painful watching the WaPo's slow death.  On top of the obvious shrinkage, I caught several basic spelling/punctuation errors in two Thomas Boswell columns in a row.  For some reason it makes me really sad to think that they must've canned the copy editors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 13, 2009, 05:36:48 AM
Whatever, me and Froomkin are gonna piss on Hiatt's corpse when that turd goes belly up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 13, 2009, 12:44:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 13, 2009, 02:43:33 AM
Big nostalgia factor for me.  I used to get the paper each morning and immediately see if he had written a column.

Same here. It was one of the few things that made those long, grueling bus rides bearable.

Quote
He was one of the few sports journalists who was a really good writer on his own merits (good enough he had a Sunday column in Style).  His stuff was a lot funnier, more engaging, and more perceptive than anyone else I can think of off the bat.

Wilbon said in an interview that Kornheiser worries about his broadcast stuff being dumbed down and no longer having the chops to go back and write like he used to.  Even so, he's eons better than the Jim Romes and Jay Mariottis of the world.

Agreed, on all accounts. I feel like there's a divide between commentators that act like Tucker Max, and actual journalists - like Wilbon and Kornheiser. What's odd is that I think Wilbon has gotten softer in his old age. I miss the more fiery and volatile Wilbon, despite the fact that some of his more poorly constructed arguments used to really irk me.

I just feel like Kornheiser likes being in front of the cameras, and being well liked, and is very hesitant to do anything that would rock the boat. Yes, he's better than Mariotti or Rome, but is that really much of a compliment?


Quote
Also, it's a little painful watching the WaPo's slow death.  On top of the obvious shrinkage, I caught several basic spelling/punctuation errors in two Thomas Boswell columns in a row.  For some reason it makes me really sad to think that they must've canned the copy editors.

I was wondering about this, as I have also caught spelling errors in recent Post articles and columns. What I think is really noticeable is the lack of discernable talent; if people thought La Canfora was bad, now we're stuck with Reid.

Also, Boswell has become almost unreadable in his old age. I feel like every thing he writes nowadays is the editorial equivalent of "Get off my lawn!" or "Back in my day..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2009, 03:40:29 PM
[youtube=560,345]3kyD_e0Y7FQ[/youtube]
:usacry  :japancry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 14, 2009, 07:33:38 PM
I'm not going to lie - when Carrie Prejean's masturbation videos hit the internets, I will download and beat off to all of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2009, 02:17:35 AM
Palin annihilated
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/mccain-campaign-emails-co_n_358124.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 15, 2009, 02:48:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2009, 02:17:35 AM
Palin annihilated
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/mccain-campaign-emails-co_n_358124.html

Quote from:  Miss Wasilla 1984
"I am very sorry u guys are working double-triple time on this blundered-up stuff that they spin bc of my visits w press - while I apologize I say I love you guys!!!"

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2009, 05:48:25 AM
John Cole is right about her- SHE'S A GRIFTER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 15, 2009, 07:00:54 PM
Shit's about time someone finally came up with this:

(http://www.theatlantic.com/images/issues/200904u/obamao.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2009, 08:30:01 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/juliet-jeske/carrie-prejeans-sex-tape_b_357595.html

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2009, 08:56:54 PM
Don't play with my emotions like that, ever again  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2009, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2009, 08:56:54 PM
Don't play with my emotions like that, ever again  :-\

Who wants to see it now? The religious jibberish is a total turn off. Plus, this is pre-boob job. :drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 16, 2009, 12:45:33 AM
This is the main reason why most celebrity sex tapes aren't worth seeing: it is surrounded by layers of pointless bullshit to only have 80% of the footage be a man's ass or dick.  This has the distinct advantage of being dude free.

I'm considering boycotting The Huffington Post due to providing one more layer of useless bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 03:13:51 AM
[youtube=560,345]TeKb710KikM[/youtube]
smh

I'll admit I wouldn't get the vaccine if someone payed me, but I'm certainly not going to scientifically defend it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 16, 2009, 03:46:29 AM
Fucking disgusting psuedo-scientific bullshit.  I never took Maher seriously but he is just fully up his own ass in that clip.

And PD, you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow too if you think getting the swine flu vaccine is unsafe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 16, 2009, 04:15:47 AM
It's crazy how far Maher has embraced and advocates rationality only to see him take such poor, irrational stances against modern health sciences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 04:21:07 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 16, 2009, 03:46:29 AM
Fucking disgusting psuedo-scientific bullshit.  I never took Maher seriously but he is just fully up his own ass in that clip.

And PD, you're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow too if you think getting the swine flu vaccine is unsafe.

Maybe so but I'll take my chances
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 16, 2009, 04:26:18 AM
:punch got my swine flu shot 2 days ago

Felt a bit crap that night, but now i'm bulletproof :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2009, 04:59:23 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 16, 2009, 04:15:47 AM
It's crazy how far Maher has embraced and advocates rationality only to see him take such poor, irrational stances against modern health sciences.

He's part of the whole "natural living" crowd.  I can understand to a certain degree- he undoubtedly ate like shit most of his life and probably felt crappy health wise, then someone convinced him to start eating whole foods and give up meat, telling him he'd feel better.  Guess what?  You do.  But all things in moderation, etc etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 16, 2009, 06:02:12 AM
I already got the real deal. I caught swine flu two weeks ago. It was weaksauce. But then I ate something contaminated and came down with bacterial gastroenteritis (medical jargon for abdominal pain, loss of appetite, and the shits). Now THAT is kicking my ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2009, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 16, 2009, 04:15:47 AM
It's crazy how far Maher has embraced and advocates rationality only to see him take such poor, irrational stances against modern health sciences.

For every "logical" stance Maher has, he's always been equally silly, simplistic, dogmatic, and unrealistic on others. I've never been overly a fan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 16, 2009, 11:01:25 AM
fucking hell, I just ended up agreeing with Bill "don't unplug Schaivo because this highly edited video of her makes it look like she's okay" Friest cause of Bill Maher's dumbassery.

Yes, I'm a liberal, and something that does infuriate me about my camp is all those people who buy into all that new-age, pseudo science malarkey.  If Maher did get the swine flu and ended up missing a week out of his life due to extreme levels of vomiting, rampant fever, etc., and came back on the show and meekly apologized about his earlier position, I would do a happy dance the same way I would if a creation scientist somehow stumbled over a missing link skeleton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2009, 11:08:41 AM
So is there anyone who can give an actual rational reason why we shouldn't try and imprison terrorists here in the US?  To misquote the immortal Walter Sobchak, these men aren't Lex Luthor, they're cowards, Donny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2009, 11:12:21 AM
The Bush years were good for Liberals because it galavanized and united a political force on the left of this country that was extremely weak.

The reality though is that "liberals" are quite different and come in all shapes and forms including kooks.

To use an out there analogy, if there is a serial killer out and about people will probably agree that he needs to be caught and punished. That doesn't mean we all share the same position on the death penalty or crime and punishment in general.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 16, 2009, 11:14:11 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 16, 2009, 11:08:41 AM
So is there anyone who can give an actual rational reason why we shouldn't try and imprison terrorists here in the US?  To misquote the immortal Walter Sobchak, these men aren't Lex Luthor, they're cowards, Donny.

It's the same bs argument of why we can't try them or treat them like any other criminals. It's simply an appeal to emotion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
There is actually a joke character on gaf that thinks some of these guys will be acquitted and released onto the streets of Manhattan.  :lol :lol :lol

The way I see it, at least Obama is putting some closure to these fools. Something Bush was to much of a pussy to finish, just like everything else in his administration. Well, except tax cuts for the rich.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 12:35:28 PM
What reason is he giving that he they will be? acquitted
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 16, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
Something Bush was to much of a pussy to finish

I though Bush hated brown people blah blah blah liberal.gif
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 12:46:27 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 12:35:28 PM
What reason is he giving that he they will be? acquitted

something something mistrial torture evidence something something

The fed won't fuck this up, and a NY jury is going to find him guilty end of story
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 16, 2009, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 12:36:13 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 16, 2009, 12:29:41 PM
Something Bush was to much of a pussy to finish

I though Bush hated brown people blah blah blah liberal.gif
It's funny that your mind works so slowly that it took you a full minute to come up with such a lame response, yet you thought it so witty it was worth a second attempt at posting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2009, 01:20:43 PM
Isn't the vaccine something you inhale through your nose?  I don't know, I'd probably get it if there was a lot of cases around where I live but it seems to be pretty rare for right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2009, 01:35:09 PM
It's moderate in my state, but in terms of Nashville I haven't really read much about the seriousness of it yet.  Just occasional, anecdotal instances.  Maybe after I come back from winter break.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 02:08:43 PM
Who gets flu shot?  ???. I've never gotten one and I have never gotten the flu. Even when my Japanese host-dad (who was a doctor) offered to do it right there in the house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 02:12:27 PM
Cause I'm invincible. :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 16, 2009, 02:14:02 PM
Why is it that when I talk to someone who refuses the flu shot they are either Christian or Libertarian?  o wait it makes perfect sense :teehee

Explain nerdling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 02:17:57 PM
I get sick once every three or four years, I'm not worried.
*daps FoC*

also a pretty nice annihilation of folks trolling the KSM/court issue
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/11/a_lot_of_people_--.php?ref=fpblg

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On a more general level, however, since when is it something we advertise or say proudly that we're going to change our behavior because we fear terrorists will attack us if we don't? To be unPC about it, isn't there some residual national machismo that keeps us from cowering even before trivially increased dangers? As much as I think the added dangers are basically nil, I'm surprised that people can stand up as say we should change what we do in response to some minuscule added danger and not be embarrassed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
I also have never gotten a flu shot, but I maaaaybe get a cold once a year- I just don't tend to get sick.  I also don't interact with society much other than going to school twice a week and getting groceries, so my chances of exposure are pretty low.  I say let someone else get my flu shot, if I do get sick I'm not too worried.

Refusing to get one because you're afraid the govt. is going to mind control you or something through it is distinguished mentally-challenged.  Pee Dee is homeskoold, too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 05:05:24 PM
So in short, if the govt drew a line in the sand you'd be with me and FoC. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
If I saw a NEED to get a flu shot, I would.  If I worked at a job where I had to interact with the public, I would.  I have in the past.  You guys are idiots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 05:28:03 PM
In those situations I would too. But since all three of us dwell on the borders of society it's no surprise we find common ground on shots  :teehee

Now lets play some WoW Dragon Age
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 16, 2009, 06:34:27 PM
I had a severe flu twice: once when I was 5 and when I was 17.  I rarely get ill otherwise.  I won't get the shot but it has nothing to do with a Joo-Mason conspiracy.  That said, if this strand of flu was much more fatal than H1N1, I'd probably get vaccinated.  Probably.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 16, 2009, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 16, 2009, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 16, 2009, 02:14:02 PM
Why is it that when I talk to someone who refuses the flu shot they are either Christian or Libertarian?  o wait it makes perfect sense :teehee

Explain nerdling.

religion and irrationality
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on November 16, 2009, 07:27:11 PM
Damn.  I can't stand flu shot paranoia. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 16, 2009, 08:06:55 PM
Never got the flu shot.  Never had the flu, either, until possibly this year. (Doc said I got it, but my new doc's an idiot).

Will be getting the H1N1 shot this week though, on account of spending 6 weeks on a cruise ship in February with 5000 other Mounties who will be exposed to thousands of tourists from all over the world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 16, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
It's not that I fear science or the fact that I'm Christian, it's just that I don't get sick often and I won't get a vaccine until I think there's a pressing need for it, in my situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2009, 08:42:22 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 16, 2009, 08:06:55 PM
Never got the flu shot.  Never had the flu, either, until possibly this year. (Doc said I got it, but my new doc's an idiot).

Will be getting the H1N1 shot this week though, on account of spending 6 weeks on a cruise ship in February with 5000 other Mounties who will be exposed to thousands of tourists from all over the world.
Flu virus hates the cold. Canada :rock

It's good to get sick though. It keeps the immune system strong. no flu shot here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 16, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 16, 2009, 02:14:02 PM
Why is it that when I talk to someone who refuses the flu shot they are either Christian or Libertarian?  o wait it makes perfect sense :teehee

It's crazy you posted this. I just got done reading my local paper before I logged in. This was one of the letters to the editor:

(http://i34.tinypic.com/28wktmt.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 16, 2009, 10:03:19 PM
I do think H1N1 is man made, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2009, 10:19:06 PM
unlike global warming :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
So there's a conspiracy to kill off most of the US population.  The plan's been in effect since flu vaccinations became regular in what, the 1950's?

Whoever's behind this is like the Matt Millen of secret genocide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 16, 2009, 10:55:45 PM
I don't think H1N1 is part of some elaborate conspiracy, but I do believe it's man made.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 16, 2009, 11:06:04 PM
Intentionally?  Or do you mean that it just adapted to live in humans?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2009, 11:21:44 PM
Also, the last part of the letter reminds me of this (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_man_passionate_defender_of).

The founders wanted "common people" to rule the country?  Really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2009, 11:40:56 PM
I think this (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/obamas_declaration_of_swine) is appropriate for the current topic.

edit: posting again in regular link form for Mandark.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/obamas_declaration_of_swine
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
People had no issue taking a flu shot under bush. But under Obama it's all gov't takeover of my bluuuuuuuud. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2009, 05:43:44 AM
Lobbyists for a biotech company ghostwrite (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/us/politics/15health.html) whole or partial statements for legislators, who then submit them into the Congressional record.

Quote from: Rep. Joe "You Lie!" Wilson (R-SC)
One of the reasons I have long supported the U.S. biotechnology industry is that it is a homegrown success story that has been an engine of job creation in this country. Unfortunately, many of the largest companies that would seek to enter the biosimilar market have made their money by outsourcing their research to foreign countries like India.

Quote from: Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-MO)
One of the reasons I have long supported the U.S. biotechnology industry is that it is a homegrown success story that has been an engine of job creation in this country. Unfortunately, many of the largest companies that would seek to enter the biosimilar market have made their money by outsourcing their research to foreign countries like India.


This is apparently common practice, and they were just a bit too successful this time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 17, 2009, 09:09:04 AM
(http://i34.tinypic.com/x270cm.jpg)

why, obongo, why :usacry :japancry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 09:45:28 AM
While I do think all the backlash is a little odd, I still don't think we should be bowing to royalty.

:piss Royalty
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 17, 2009, 09:56:40 AM
Odd?  There's nothing odd about it!  He's just so... so BLACK.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 10:56:54 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 17, 2009, 10:49:15 AM
Japan still has Samurai :o

Sumo Wrestlers are considered samurai...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 17, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
man, the furor on the conservative blogs over obama's bow is baffling. it was little odd, but who the fuck cares?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 11:19:00 AM
:drudge WTF  :drudge
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jobs-saved-created-congressional-districts-exist/story?id=9097853 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jobs-saved-created-congressional-districts-exist/story?id=9097853)

Exclusive: Jobs 'Saved or Created' in Congressional Districts That Don't Exist
 :lol
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Here's a stimulus success story: In Arizona's 15th congressional district, 30 jobs have been saved or created with just $761,420 in federal stimulus spending. At least that's what the Web site set up by the Obama administration to track the $787 billion stimulus says.

There's one problem, though: There is no 15th congressional district in Arizona; the state has only eight districts.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 11:20:20 AM
Quote
In Connecticut's 42nd district (which also does not exist), the Web site claims 25 jobs created with zero stimulus dollars.

The list of spending and job creation in fictional congressional districts extends to U.S. territories as well.

 $68.3 million spent and 72.2 million spent in the 1st congressional district of the U.S. Virgin Islands.

 $8.4 million spent and 40.3 jobs created in the 99th congressional district of the U.S. Virgin Islands.

 $1.5 million spent and .3 jobs created in the 69th district and $35 million for 142 jobs in the 99th district of the Northern Mariana Islands.

 $47.7 million spent and 291 jobs created in Puerto Rico's 99th congressional district.


Wow It must be really embarrassing to be a democrat. How do you guys show your face in public?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2009, 11:26:55 AM
imagine if bush did this :rofl

obama :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 17, 2009, 07:11:48 PM
Don't Japanese basically always bow when they say hello (based on 7th grade social studies class)?  We learned that the younger person would bow lower and thateverybody had to cover their teeth, which historically would have been rotten, when they laughed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 17, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
I can't believe Obama is being so respectful of the customs and traditions of other countries. A true president would punch foreign dignitaries in the face and piss on their prone bodies. Disgraceful.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 17, 2009, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: Yeti on November 17, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
I can't believe Obama is being so respectful of the customs and traditions of other countries. A true president would punch foreign dignitaries in the face and piss on their prone bodies. Disgraceful.  :maf

Or puke on their shoes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 08:36:11 PM
Yeah why would anyone think it's odd that our president bows to royalty,.

/someone who never took American history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2009, 09:08:05 PM
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I’m representing the United States of America. And we’re talking about a friend, and we’re talking about an ally. We’re talking about a nation with whom we have constructive relationships. Sure, we got some problems, but that was all overriding — and respect for the Emperor. And remember back in World War II, if you’d have predicted that I would be here, because of the hard feeling and the symbolic nature of the problem back then of the former Emperor’s standing, I would have said, “No way.” But here we are, and time moves on; and there is a very good lesson for civilized countries in all of this.

Guess what liberal surrender monkey said that

spoiler (click to show/hide)
W Bush  :teehee
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1109/Bowing_to_Mao.html?showall
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 10:25:23 PM
Ahh the ol' Bush did it too.

:piss Bush
:piss Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 10:29:28 PM
Let's get back on topic. Let's talk about how stimulus money is saving and creating jobs in congressional districts that don't even exist I want to hear one of you dirty hippies defend it somehow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 17, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 08:36:11 PM
Yeah why would anyone think it's odd that our president bows to royalty,.
/someone who never took American history.
You do know that George Washington was offered kingship/president for life three times, right?  Maybe you have your history mixed up because it was the French, not the Americans, who rebelled against the fat royalty getting paid to live in luxury thing.  The colonists just wanted the ability to directly control their taxes (see: taxation with representation).

Fucking Andrew Jackson, a slave owner who disobeyed the Supreme Court by kicking the Indians out of Georgia, was actually a progressive civil rights leader by the standards back then.  He became very politically popular for pushing White Man's Suffrage, the right for non-landowning white men to vote.

I mean honestly, it sometimes feels like you read your high school history book like hippies read medicinal marijuana facts.  You'll take anything positive and believe it no matter what.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 10:36:32 PM
Nothing you just typed makes any coherent sense. Try again.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 17, 2009, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 10:36:32 PM
Try again.
Said the doctor to your  mama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 17, 2009, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 17, 2009, 08:36:11 PM
Yeah why would anyone think it's odd that our president bows to royalty,.

/someone who never took American history.

it's almost as if bowing doesn't have the same cultural meanings in eastern asia as in western european society??!??!?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 18, 2009, 12:39:17 AM
SOUNDS LIKE DISGUSTING CULTURAL RELATIVISM TO ME CRUSHED, DO YOU LOVE ISLAMISM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 18, 2009, 12:52:26 AM
I only bow when I want to suck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 18, 2009, 01:03:43 AM
Suddenly Fox News turned into a videogame forum, full of dumb honkeys expounding on the nuances of Japanese culture.



And hey, how many weeks ago were we meant to be outraged that Obama failed to show Queen Elizabeth II the proper level of deference?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 18, 2009, 03:00:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 18, 2009, 01:03:43 AM
Suddenly Fox News turned into a videogame forum, full of dumb honkeys expounding on the nuances of Japanese culture.



And hey, how many weeks ago were we meant to be outraged that Obama failed to show Queen Elizabeth II the proper level of deference?

uh, the queen is a proud dignified white lady of culture, not some inscrutable squinty-eyed asiatic (they'll eat anything you know)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 05:47:27 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 18, 2009, 12:39:17 AM
SOUNDS LIKE DISGUSTING CULTURAL RELATIVISM TO ME CRUSHED, DO YOU LOVE ISLAMISM

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 09:25:17 AM
They are probably afraid it will get voted down.  :lol
If california won't allow gay marriage then even D.C. might not get it through.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 11:49:09 AM
Carter defends his handling of Iran hostage crisis
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-11/17/content_8984162.htm (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-11/17/content_8984162.htm)

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HIANG MAI, Thailand: Former US President Jimmy Carter said he was pressed by his advisers to attack Iran during the hostage crisis there more than 30 years ago but resisted because he feared 20,000 Iranians could have died.
Islamist militants stormed the US Embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, and seized its occupants. Fifty-two Americans were held hostage for 444 days.

Carter said Monday that one proposed option was a military strike on Iran, but he chose to stick with negotiations to prevent bloodshed and bring the hostages home safely.

"My main advisers insisted that I should attack Iran," he told reporters in the northern Thai city of Chiang Mai, where he was helping build houses for Habitat for Humanity. "I could have destroyed Iran with my weaponry. But I felt in the process it was likely the hostages' lives would be lost, and I didn't want to kill 20,000 Iranians. So I didn't attack."





Oh Carter. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2009, 12:05:10 PM
Quote from: Yeti on November 17, 2009, 07:20:33 PM
I can't believe Obama is being so respectful of the customs and traditions of other countries. A true president would punch foreign dignitaries in the face and piss on their prone bodies. Disgraceful.  :maf

Well, it's not really as simple as that.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/bow.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/57240.jpg)

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Generally speaking, an inferior bows longer, more deeply and more frequently than a superior. A superior addressing an inferior will generally only nod the head slightly, while some superiors may not bow at all and an inferior will bend forward slightly from the waist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Japan#Bowing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Japan#Bowing)

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The bow as he performed did not just display weakness in Red State terms, but evoked weakness in Japanese terms….The last thing the Japanese want or need is a weak looking American president and, again, in all ways, he unintentionally played that part.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/15/japan-expert-to-abc-yes-obamas-bow-made-him-look-like-an-idiot/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/15/japan-expert-to-abc-yes-obamas-bow-made-him-look-like-an-idiot/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
"I could have destroyed Iran with my weaponry."

 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 18, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
So would it have been better for Obama to just do the greeting bow then?  It's odd sure but I don't really see the big deal.  If I were the Japanese guy I'd be flattered, I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2009, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 18, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
So would it have been better for Obama to just do the greeting bow then?  It's odd sure but I don't really see the big deal.  If I were the Japanese guy I'd be flattered, I guess.

It was probably a bit awkward for the Emperor, since foreign heads of state don't usually bow like that to him. I would be like Obama going to meet Queen Elizabeth and dropping to one knee in front of her. Not really a big deal, at the end of day, but kind of an awkward situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2009, 01:10:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 18, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
So would it have been better for Obama to just do the greeting bow then?  It's odd sure but I don't really see the big deal.  If I were the Japanese guy I'd be flattered, I guess.

It was probably a bit awkward for the Emperor, since foreign heads of state don't usually bow like that to him. I would be like Obama going to meet Queen Elizabeth and dropping to one knee in front of her. Not really a big deal, at the end of day, but kind of an awkward situation.

Pretty much. Anyway it's already old new.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 18, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
When we did an etiquette course at the japanese company I worked for they just told us to bow however we felt like when bowed to since we would never be able to get the nuance right and the Japanese would laugh at us anyway.

When I was over there I just did a slight bow. It comes naturally and eventually is second nature. I caught myself doing a few times here after I returned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: drew on November 18, 2009, 01:33:27 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
Pretty much. Anyway it's already old new.

wait

what
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
Also if liberals can nitpick about Bush holding hands with saudi royalty than conservatives can have some candy too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on November 18, 2009, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
Also if liberals can nitpick about Bush holding hands with saudi royalty than conservatives can have some candy too.

I thought the whole point of bringing the Bush hand holding/French kissing thing was because you guys keep making a big ass deal about Obama's attempts at deference.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:41:45 PM
Is that what Michael Moore was saying in Ferenheit 9/11 ???

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2009, 02:16:31 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 18, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
When we did an etiquette course at the japanese company I worked for they just told us to bow however we felt like when bowed to since we would never be able to get the nuance right and the Japanese would laugh at us anyway.

You bowed to people who bombed Pearl Harbor? :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2009, 05:12:33 PM
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Democratic leadership has distributed figures to reporters from a CBO analysis of Senate health care legislation. The numbers affirm what we reported this morning--that Majority Leader Harry Reid is very pleased.

The health care bill--which includes an opt-out public option--will require $849 billion over 10 years in new spending, to be paid for with cuts to Medicare, while reducing the deficit by $127 billion.

In that time it will extend coverage to 31 million Americans--94 percent of citizens will be covered.

Over the second 10 years, CBO projects even greater cost savings--up to $650 billion, with the caveat that after 10 years, their analyses become highly uncertain.

This meets all of President Obama's goals, and, as has been the pattern during this legislative process, the Senate bill comes at a lower cost, and with greater cost-savings than the House bill, while the House bill covers more Americans.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/cbo-senate-bill-costs-849-billion-major-deficit-reducer.php

Lieberman annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 18, 2009, 05:13:43 PM
Finally, the Senate warrants a :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 18, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
those cuts to medicare are gonna have some NASTY political repercussions. kinda stupid, really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2009, 05:25:06 PM
As a talking point yea, but ultimately they aren't cutting services.
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/will_health_reform_cut_medicare_benefits.php
Title: No thing as a free lunch, but it costs nothing to stop eating shit sandwiches
Post by: Mandark on November 18, 2009, 11:57:58 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 18, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
those cuts to medicare are gonna have some NASTY political repercussions. kinda stupid, really.

As I understand it, most of the cuts are coming from Medicare Advantage, the corporate boondoggle from the 2003 drug benefit bill where the gubmint pays companies billions of dollars to "compete" with Medicare plans.

The upside to awful policies created by rent-seeking special interests is that we now have a few areas like this where meaningful but painless cuts are possible.  Same deal with making student loans directly rather than through banks.



edit:  Just clicked PD's link to Marc Ambinder, who basically says the same thing.  I'm sure a big chunk of old people will believe that Obama's pulling the plug on them, but they'd mostly think that anyway and he's got the AARP on his side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 19, 2009, 12:14:55 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 18, 2009, 01:34:01 PM
Also if liberals can nitpick about Bush holding hands with saudi royalty than conservatives can have some candy too.

where was obama grandstanding about the evils of giant robots and anime?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 12:35:02 AM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911180038
:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2009, 12:49:00 AM
I wonder who will be the first Very Serious Newsperson that says the plain truth and just admits what they're all thinking and is abundantly self-evident:  Sarah Palin is too stupid and petty to be President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 19, 2009, 01:50:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 12:35:02 AM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200911180038
:smug
More gotcha journalism. :smug

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_man_passionate_defender_of)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 02:07:04 AM
why can't norah ask tough questions to the dumbass lawmakers who roll over her on a daily basis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2009, 02:15:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 02:07:04 AM
why can't norah ask tough questions to the dumbass lawmakers who roll over her on a daily basis

Because then none of them would talk to her anymore.  "Journalists" today value access over everything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 02:31:02 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 19, 2009, 02:15:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 02:07:04 AM
why can't norah ask tough questions to the dumbass lawmakers who roll over her on a daily basis

Because then none of them would talk to her anymore.  "Journalists" today value access over everything.

Luckily video game journalists don't fall in this trap  :elf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2009, 03:38:22 AM
Review (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/21847117/Going_Rogue) of Going Rogue.

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I stood in line to get my copy of this book from the local bookstore fearing it might be sold out early. Hot chick on the cover, so far so good. Then I opened it and started reading.

To my chagrin it didn't start out well. I thought well at some point this has to get better. But guess what it doesn't! There's nothing at all about dex rolls, dps builds, searching for traps, sneak attacks, assassins, +4 daggers or anything!

All it is some woman whining about how everyone in her party wouldn't let her make any decisions, about how something called a Couric made her look like a complete idiot (I couldn't find it in the monster manual but, I'm guessing it must be like a Sphinx), and how her group leader McCain wouldn't let her be rogue enough.

Well, I don't even know where to start addressing this stuff. She doesn't even have any daggers! I mean, that's hardly the group leader's fault! She should have loaded out before the quest started!

Plus, on every single page she bemoans her 8 INT build and blames her horrible playing on everyone else! It's her fault for putting all her stat points into Charisma!

To sum up, this book is terrible. It's anti-rogue if anything. If you want a book on how not to be a rogue this has got to be the bible.

I'm going back to the store now to see if I can get my hard earned plat back for this awful drek.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 19, 2009, 07:41:40 AM
A bunch of liberals are going to buy her stupid and shitty book and then cry about how well her book sold when the sales numbers are released.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 19, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
Liberals great struggle.  We love to read, just not always the best of books.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 19, 2009, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 19, 2009, 03:38:22 AM
Review (http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/21847117/Going_Rogue) of Going Rogue.

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I stood in line to get my copy of this book from the local bookstore fearing it might be sold out early. Hot chick on the cover, so far so good. Then I opened it and started reading.

To my chagrin it didn't start out well. I thought well at some point this has to get better. But guess what it doesn't! There's nothing at all about dex rolls, dps builds, searching for traps, sneak attacks, assassins, +4 daggers or anything!

All it is some woman whining about how everyone in her party wouldn't let her make any decisions, about how something called a Couric made her look like a complete idiot (I couldn't find it in the monster manual but, I'm guessing it must be like a Sphinx), and how her group leader McCain wouldn't let her be rogue enough.

Well, I don't even know where to start addressing this stuff. She doesn't even have any daggers! I mean, that's hardly the group leader's fault! She should have loaded out before the quest started!

Plus, on every single page she bemoans her 8 INT build and blames her horrible playing on everyone else! It's her fault for putting all her stat points into Charisma!

To sum up, this book is terrible. It's anti-rogue if anything. If you want a book on how not to be a rogue this has got to be the bible.

I'm going back to the store now to see if I can get my hard earned plat back for this awful drek.

 :lol although I think an 8 int is giving her too much credit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 02:01:46 PM
Jesse Jackson: 'You can't vote against healthcare and call yourself a black man'
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/68451-jackson-you-cant-vote-against-healthcare-and-call-yourself-a-black-man= (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/68451-jackson-you-cant-vote-against-healthcare-and-call-yourself-a-black-man=)
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The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Wednesday night criticized Rep. Artur Davis (D-Ala.) for voting against the Democrats’ signature healthcare bill.

“We even have blacks voting against the healthcare bill,” Jackson said at a reception Wednesday night. “You can’t vote against healthcare and call yourself a black man.”


Modern Politics
:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 02:05:18 PM
ugh...

The issue isn't just "race in politics"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 02:11:18 PM
I can never tell when you guys are joking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 02:20:47 PM
Jesse Jackson is a complete idiot, news at 11

edit: also didn't Davis vote against it because it wasn't liberal enough or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2009, 03:49:31 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/11/19/2009-11-19_former_mayor_rudy_giuliani_to_announce_plan_to_run_for_us_senate.html
Title: Identity politics for me, not for thee
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2009, 03:51:15 PM
Yeah, modern politics (http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 04:26:27 PM
FoC has met his match
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18557094&postcount=36984
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
Didn't obama say that he would Post all bills online and require enough time to read it? SMH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 04:33:01 PM
It's online right now. The vote isn't until the weekend, so 72 hours will have passed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 04:42:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 04:33:01 PM
It's online right now. The vote isn't until the weekend, so 72 hours will have passed

oh okay, then sweet I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 04:43:58 PM
Is this the house bill or senate bill? I've been out of it for a while.

I read somewhere that the only reason the house bill looks like it saves money is because they are putting the doctors expense in a separate bill being voted on today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2009, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 04:26:27 PM
FoC has met his match
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18557094&postcount=36984

Damn, my joke account has been sniffed out.  Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 04:57:01 PM
Liberals angry that taxpayers can't pay for their education anymore. :lol

[youtube=560,345]33UU6MKuWSE[/youtube]

God California is a giant shithole. Break off into the ocean already and take all the hippies with you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 04:58:53 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 19, 2009, 04:58:09 PM
And all our delicious food.

Southern Cooking is all we need.

mmmmm chicken fried steak.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2009, 05:02:10 PM
Southern cooking/soul food>*

*daps FoC*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 19, 2009, 05:01:19 PM
Keep eating like that and maybe Demi will unleper you if you know what I mean.

go eat some tofu hippie.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.quarrygirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/country-fried-steak.jpg)

 :drool
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 19, 2009, 05:10:29 PM
There's nothing wrong with some good mashed potatoes and a nice biscuit, but salisbury steak is fucking school cafeteria vomit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 05:14:48 PM
That's chicken friend steak asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 19, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 19, 2009, 05:01:19 PM
Keep eating like that and maybe Demi will unleper you if you know what I mean.

go eat some tofu hippie.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.quarrygirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/country-fried-steak.jpg)

 :drool
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your response makes no sense

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 05:14:48 PM
That's chicken friend steak asshole.

yes, we all know how "friendly" you get with chickens in your parts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on November 19, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
How could you possibly eat a chicken friend?  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on November 19, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
How could you possibly eat a chicken friend?  :(

With lots of gravy. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 19, 2009, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 19, 2009, 05:22:25 PM

yes, we all know how "friendly" you get with chickens in your parts

People fuck chickens in the Texas area  ???
Title: Not like it would get through, anyway
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2009, 01:16:19 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 19, 2009, 04:43:58 PM
Is this the house bill or senate bill? I've been out of it for a while.

I read somewhere that the only reason the house bill looks like it saves money is because they are putting the doctors expense in a separate bill being voted on today.

I swear I explained this very thing when siamesedreamer brought it up, but the Bore's search function only gives you one result per thread.

*runs crying to demi*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on November 20, 2009, 02:03:07 AM
I've noticed the search narrows as you get further from the root.  If you use the search with this thread open, it should search only within this thread and return multiple posts.  If you search from "Real Talk", you'll only get OT thread results.  From "General", you'll get both Gaming and Real Talk results.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2009, 03:29:08 AM
:bow RoboJ :bow2

Found it:  http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg893748;topicseen#msg893748

Kevin Drum writes it up better here (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/10/ending-flimflam).


Basically, in the 90's they created a new formula for Medicare to reimburse doctors.  It was too optimistic, and every two or three years they've passed a temporary patch which keeps doctor fees from dropping too much.  Congress knows they'll do it again, but they leave the formula on the books because it makes the 10-year budget projections look better.

The current bill is a long-term fix for reimbursement rates.  Basically it's just honest accounting, like including war funds when working out future deficits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 20, 2009, 02:24:14 PM
(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/gitemstevedave/Gawker/Barackicorn2.jpg)
 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
you're pathetic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002357/
getting an Ntard vibe here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 05:01:13 AM
Apparently Palin begins (at least) the first three chapters of her book with apocryphal or misattributed quotes (http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/11/going-rogue-chapter-3.html).

My favorite is the one for Chapter 3.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 21, 2009, 10:26:40 AM
Bu bu bu bu Judd Gregg said she was qualified to be President last night
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2009, 02:09:33 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/landrieu-says-reid-will-soon-realize-no-triggers-no-bill.php?ref=fpa

Sounds like no public option in the final bill. Killing the public option, which is popular, isn't going to get these jokers re-elected. It doesn't seem to be about surviving politically as much as pleasing the insurance companies. smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 21, 2009, 03:49:07 PM
What exactly is the health care bill going to do if there isn't a public option?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/01/health-reform-made-simple/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 21, 2009, 06:13:19 PM
I think it's unlikely anyone gets a full subsidy unless you are living in a box. I think the reality is, without a public option and a federal exchange, insurance will still be quite costly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 06:17:19 PM
"Please explain how certain provisions, which are still being negotiated and will be re-negotiated in the conference, will personally affect my situation."

Dude, we just don't know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 21, 2009, 06:45:56 PM
I'm not sure why Democrats think that running to the right is what makes them popular.  It seems like all it does is embolden the GOP's attacks and pisses off the base that voted you in.  Especially if it is something a clear majority supports.  It almost seems like the thing to do for some Democrats if there is any controversy by default, I don't know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 06:58:15 PM
Let's remember that 90-odd percent of the Democrats in both houses have no problem with the public option.

The bill is taking forever because of a small number of "centrist" Senators who have disproportionate leverage because some arcane parliamentary procedures have mutated into a supermajority requirement.  If it were a straight vote with majority rules, we'd be a lot further along.


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Maybe not.  Any time a Senator realizes they could be the make-or-break vote, they're compelled to make a big show of deliberating and won't support it unless they're personally wooed.  It's in their DNA or something.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 21, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
I should have stated "some Democrats" but I do find it annoying that barring major problems, the GOP in Congress tends to be pretty lockstep and enforces the party line well.  Democrats don't have that strength and the frayed edges lean right of the pack, not left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2009, 07:17:22 PM
Quote from: T EXP on November 21, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
I should have stated "some Democrats" but I do find it annoying that barring major problems, the GOP in Congress tends to be pretty lockstep and enforces the party line well.  Democrats don't have that strength and the frayed edges lean right of the pack, not left.

Unfortunately that's a byproduct of not having anything but pretty much hard right conservatives left in the party.  No more Lincoln Chafees, etc.  I guess you've got the two dingbats from Maine, but other than that the "reasonable Republican Senators" are supposed to be President McCain and Lindsay Graham, so yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 21, 2009, 06:15:18 PM
So if I am required under this bill to have health insurance, but I can't afford it, what happens then?

I think you have to pay penalty for not having health insurance ($1500??).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
So it looks like health insurance companies cannot deny care because of a pre existing condition? Does that mean I should only sign up for healthcare whenever I'm sick?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 21, 2009, 08:14:37 PM
No but with 45-50 million without healthcare, there are bound to be some who have some illness, considering it is about 1/6 of the population.

Of course, you weren't looking for a legitimate answer to that question.  I'm not sure what is worse: the fact that you make such shitty posts or the fact that people know they are shitty, but provide legitimate answers anyway.  It isn't like it will reverse your deeply entrenched yet brain dead libertarianism, which works not unlike a cancer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2009, 08:16:42 PM
I'd be interested in the percentage of those without health insurance because of preexisting conditions.
Title: RTFB
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
So it looks like health insurance companies cannot deny care because of a pre existing condition? Does that mean I should only sign up for healthcare whenever I'm sick?

Yeah!

Unless there were some sort of mandate to prevent you from gaming the system...
Title: Re: RTFB
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
So it looks like health insurance companies cannot deny care because of a pre existing condition? Does that mean I should only sign up for healthcare whenever I'm sick?

Yeah!

Unless there were some sort of mandate to prevent you from gaming the system...

Like what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 21, 2009, 08:59:26 PM
To nobody in particular, which is worse:

1) Jesus Camp kids praying to a Bush cardboard cutout
2) Psalm 109:8 for Obama

I can't imagine any domestic Christians have openly called for prayers of death for a President since Kennedy.
Title: Re: RTFB
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 09:04:01 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:09:31 PM
So it looks like health insurance companies cannot deny care because of a pre existing condition? Does that mean I should only sign up for healthcare whenever I'm sick?

Yeah!

Unless there were some sort of mandate to prevent you from gaming the system...

Like what?

Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 21, 2009, 06:15:18 PM
So if I am required under this bill to have health insurance, but I can't afford it, what happens then?

I think you have to pay penalty for not having health insurance ($1500??).


.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2009, 10:16:48 PM
Three democratic senators are holding up the public option. Three. The majority of the senate and house support the public option. The White House has suggested they support a public option. But three senators are going to get their way. Nevermind mind that this process has been one compromise after another to get them to cooperate.

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 11:54:34 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 21, 2009, 11:47:09 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 21, 2009, 08:05:00 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 21, 2009, 06:15:18 PM
So if I am required under this bill to have health insurance, but I can't afford it, what happens then?

I think you have to pay penalty for not having health insurance ($1500??).

If I don't have the money to pay the penalty?

Quote from: Mandark on November 21, 2009, 06:17:19 PM
"Please explain how certain provisions, which are still being negotiated and will be re-negotiated in the conference, will personally affect my situation."

Dude, we just don't know.

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 12:26:42 AM
Expanding coverage is the primary goal of the bill.  Cutting costs over the long term is second.

The public option likely won't lower insurance premiums much or at all.

There are a number of cost containment provisions in both the House and Senate versions of the bill.

Please stop getting all declaratory about stuff if you're not gonna do the reading.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 22, 2009, 12:47:07 AM
The only thing the Republicans are correct about is that this bill is essentially a poison pill for single-payer. Even if there is an opt-out public option that comes to pass, the financial burden created by the health care industry will inevitably lead to a single-payer system.

Is the Senate axing the federal exchange, as well?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 01:01:58 AM
"Trojan horse" you mean.  A "poison pill" is when you attach something to a bill which makes it very hard for other people to vote for it.  The Save Springfield bill with a Perverted Arts amendment.

The GOP has (and had when it was in power) the ability to shape health reform.  They could have tried to create a sustainable system which would still be mostly market-based and preclude the need for single payer in the future.  Even now, if they could deliver even 10 votes in the Senate for the bill, they'd instantly get a bunch of concessions.

But they've decided to do their best to stop a bill from passing no matter what's in it.  If it works, like it did in '93, then they can say Obama's a failure who can't get anything done.  If it doesn't, then massively important legislation is going to be passed without their being able to influence it.




GS:  If you want to learn more about the details of the bill, read this (http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/11/a_milestone_in_the_health_care_journey.php), Ezra Klein's blog at the Washington Post, Jonathan Cohn's blog at The New Republic, and the Health archive at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2009, 01:07:07 AM
Just more corporate welfare. At least this reform will consolidate the industry so Senators don't have to take so many lunches with different lobbyists. Makes the process work much smoother.


Trojan horses can be knee capped when/if the balance of power shifts. Better get working on that jobs bill.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 01:09:50 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 22, 2009, 12:47:07 AM
The only thing the Republicans are correct about is that this bill is essentially a poison pill for single-payer. Even if there is an opt-out public option that comes to pass, the financial burden created by the health care industry will inevitably lead to a single-payer system.

Is the Senate axing the federal exchange, as well?

Who knows?  If Capt. Surrender Reid coughs up and gives in to a triggered public option or getting rid of it altogether too early then the whining babies (Lieberman, Landrieu, Nelson, Lincoln etc) will probably figure out that they can look even more OMG BIPARTISAN/MODERATE by begging for more stuff to get stripped out of the bill.  Then there are other people like Wyden from Oregon who are determined to open the exchanges up to MORE people (which sounds like a good idea to me, but I'm not too up on it) so there you go. 

In any event, expect Very Serious People like David Broder, etc to hail the whining baby brigade as sensible, moderate heroes for making the bill worse, since anything that annoys liberals must be good.

TA: supposedly there's a couple hundred million or so sitting in the TARP fund that the dems are going to want to shift into a jobs bill next spring or so... just in time for the Republicans to look like idiots for opposing it going into the elections.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 01:15:06 AM
Ask him to explain the disastrophe on Wall St. last fall using that "profit motive" explanation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 01:25:18 AM
Yes, reality is well known to have a liberal bias.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
Can't blame Reid here. Three senators aren't playing ball, what's he going to do, go all LBJ on them?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
Can't blame Reid here. Three senators aren't playing ball, what's he going to do, go all LBJ on them?

Neither Reid nor Obama have suitable balls.  I swear the country would be better off with Dick Durbin and Nancy Pelosi running things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2009, 01:31:33 AM
Well, the stimulus bill WAS a jobs bill. Rahm even admitted as much at the time. They just grossly underestimated the unemployment figures and eliminated a huge chunk of the "make work" programs because the Obama adminstration was afraid of being labeled "socialist".


Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
Can't blame Reid here. Three senators aren't playing ball, what's he going to do, go all LBJ on them?

Bribe them with 100's of millions of dollars. Oh wait, he already tried that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 01:42:09 AM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 22, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
Can't blame Reid here. Three senators aren't playing ball, what's he going to do, go all LBJ on them?

Neither Reid nor Obama have suitable balls.  I swear the country would be better off with Hillary Clinton running things.

fixed  :-*

I agree I'm just sayin', what can Reid do. I'm not convinced Obama wants a public option, we know Rahm doesn't.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 02:03:31 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2009, 01:31:33 AM
Well, the stimulus bill WAS a jobs bill.

Yep.  The labor market is what they're trying to stimulate.


Quote
They just grossly underestimated the unemployment figures and eliminated a huge chunk of the "make work" programs because the Obama adminstration was afraid of being labeled "socialist".

Not quite how it happened.  The bill got changed in the Senate to get the support of the Nelson-Collins gang, and the biggest loser was aid to the states, especially in education.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 02:25:55 AM
Taibbi weighs in on the WWE/Gump-esque rise of Sarah Palin. (http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/11/20/sarah-palin-wwe-star/)

Quote
Sarah Palin is the Empress-Queen of the screaming-for-screaming’s sake generation. The people who dismiss her book Going Rogue as the petty, vindictive meanderings of a preening paranoiac with the IQ of a celery stalk completely miss the book’s significance, because in some ways it’s really a revolutionary and innovative piece of literature.

Palin — and there’s just no way to deny this — is a supremely gifted politician. She has staked out, as her own personal political turf, the entire landscape of incoherent white American resentment. In this area she leaves even Rush Limbaugh in the dust.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 02:35:23 AM
Quote from: Matt Taibbi
We all get into furious arguments at work that make us want to explode in self-righteous fury (in my office dramas I always realize I was actually the asshole a day or so later)

I know it's mean to take shots at people based on self-deprecating admissions, but boy howdy am I not surprised by this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 02:37:00 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 02:35:23 AM
Quote from: Matt Taibbi
We all get into furious arguments at work that make us want to explode in self-righteous fury (in my office dramas I always realize I was actually the asshole a day or so later)

I know it's mean to take shots at people based on self-deprecating admissions, but boy howdy am I not surprised by this.

OMG MATT TAIBBI USES SCANDALOUS LANGUAGE THE GHOST OF TIM RUSSERT IS ROLLING OVER IN IT'S GRAVE I TELL YOU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 02:55:00 AM
Not so much the bad language as the constant, raging contempt for all people who are not Matt Taibbi.  He's written some very good stuff (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/inside_the_great_american_bubble_machine) (and his share of crap (http://www.mensjournal.com/brian-cashman)) but he could be a lot better if he dialed down the Jim Rome act.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2009, 02:55:48 AM
Hey, there's a lot of stuff to be pissed off about.  People who like Transformers, for instance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 22, 2009, 03:01:04 AM
Yeah, Mandark, sorry for my slip up. That would be the correct terminology.

Also, what is worse: Republican plan for health care or Transformers? We report, you decide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 22, 2009, 08:14:50 AM
Just from what I've seen from him, it would be very difficult to get Ben Nelson on board.  Nebraska is a far right wing state with him and used to be Ernie Chambers (the guy that sued God and wanted to racially divide Omaha, remember?) being the only two influential Democrats in the state.  I'd still wager that the only reason why Obama won Omaha was because of Warren Buffett's endorsement, not because of the ethnic diversity.  Going from local ads, the FUD on both health care and cap and trade is cranked up to 11.  If he trips up too many times, a former football coach will probably get the seat from him.

He's still a chickenshit though.  He could vote for a public option health care bill and be just fine.  He'll take some heat but he's firmly entrenched in the state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 09:14:34 AM
But democrats in Nebraska endorsed the idea of a public option  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 22, 2009, 09:23:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 09:14:34 AM
But democrats in Nebraska endorsed the idea of a public option  ???

The Democratic Party of Nebraska, yeah, but not Ben Nelson himself.

I'm not saying he can't be swayed into supporting the option but there is a lot pressure on him not to go through with either cap and trade or health care reform.  Even in a heavy Republican state, Nelson's always had a lot of support.  Considering how far to the right the state is, he's going to have to burn through some of his political capital if he wants to vote in a public option.  Not saying he won't, as he could say later on that it was inevitable, but there is a lot of pressure on him in the state (a lot of fearmongering ads) to vote against health care reform and cap and trade.  He doesn't have much opposition but if he votes yes to those reforms, he might.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/nebraska-voters-favor-pub_n_343061.html

Pretty small sample, I'd like to see some bigger polls; but Nate Silver didn't raise red flags over it.

Nelson initially supported the idea of a public option. He's flip flopped pretty dramatically. Same with Lincoln; her website says she supports a public option.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 22, 2009, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/02/nebraska-voters-favor-pub_n_343061.html

Pretty small sample, I'd like to see some bigger polls; but Nate Silver didn't raise red flags over it.

Nelson initially supported the idea of a public option. He's flip flopped pretty dramatically. Same with Lincoln; her website says she supports a public option.

I was in Omaha not too long ago and the TV ads were full of FUD on health care and cap and trade.

The public majority has supported the public option for some time or at least significant health care reform but it doesn't change the fact that there are a lot of congresspeople who were scared at the thought of following through on that reform.  Not to mention those who are getting their pockets lined with private insurance lobby money.

I didn't say Nelson would be a guaranteed "no" but in his state, there's a lot of FUD about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 22, 2009, 01:28:51 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 22, 2009, 01:15:36 PM
Why haven't we banned lobbyists yet?

You want that to include environmentalist and women's rights lobbies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2009, 11:02:55 PM
Why would he? He is one of them.

That was our great choice in 2008. Two senators. I don't think it's any coincidence that many of our greatest presidents are not senators.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 11:06:17 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2009, 11:02:55 PM
Why would he? He is one of them.


Gooble gobble!



edit:

Quote from: ToxicAdam
That was our great choice in 2008. Two senators. I don't think it's any coincidence that many of our greatest presidents are not senators.

 :lol  Oh you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2009, 11:28:26 PM
I refuse to acknowledge Bush's existence. lol



Title: I figured you'd remember Carter
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2009, 12:12:43 AM
It's not so much that there haven't been a lot of effective presidents who used to be senators, so much as there are hardly any senators at all that became president the last century or so.

Senators don't usually win, because once you've spent years in DC you've probably pissed off a lot of activists/donors/pundits and taken a lot of votes that can be used against you, sometimes out of context.  I don't think it's a surprise that the guy who won was very new on the national scene, and I think Hillary basically lost because of her Iraq vote.

For a long time, we've been voting for the incumbent or for the blank slate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 23, 2009, 09:10:11 AM
There is one congressman who doesn't talk to lobbyists...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 23, 2009, 09:10:21 AM
just sayin'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 23, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
[youtube=560,345]fxis7Y1ikIQ[/youtube]

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2009, 11:20:02 AM
 :lol

why do global warming/green advocates have the worst advertising ever
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on November 23, 2009, 11:25:41 AM
wtf@that video
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 23, 2009, 11:26:47 AM
Shit! Now I'm taking a train to Toronto.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 23, 2009, 04:53:44 PM
hippies and eco-sausages create lame propaganda -- as anticipated -- and we're supposed to care why. if the public endorsement of overwrought stupids invalidated a message, then there would be no ron paul
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 23, 2009, 04:58:36 PM
:rofl at prole

Liberal defense squad assemble.
Title: Not a spoof. I repeat, not a spoof.
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2009, 05:21:57 PM
[youtube=560,345]7sGKvDNdJNA[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 23, 2009, 05:48:04 PM
:bow Carbon Dioxide :bow2

They'll take my CO2 from my cold dead hands!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 23, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
Who the hell watches commercials these days?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 23, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
[youtube=560,345]mKKKgua7wQk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 23, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
"Carbon dioxide: they call it pollution, we call it life." :rofl

It is like something from a screenplay for Thank You for Smoking 2: The Green House Effect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 23, 2009, 07:53:25 PM
It's no different than the anti-smoking ads that frequently flirt with insanity
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2009, 09:00:06 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on November 23, 2009, 07:16:00 PM
[youtube=560,345]mKKKgua7wQk[/youtube]

Steelers fan  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on November 23, 2009, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2009, 02:55:00 AM
Not so much the bad language as the constant, raging contempt for all people who are not Matt Taibbi.  He's written some very good stuff (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/inside_the_great_american_bubble_machine) (and his share of crap (http://www.mensjournal.com/brian-cashman)) but he could be a lot better if he dialed down the Jim Rome act.

Jesus, what a fucking moronic article.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 24, 2009, 03:47:50 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 23, 2009, 07:51:35 PM
"Carbon dioxide: they call it pollution, we call it life." :rofl

It is like something from a screenplay for Thank You for Smoking 2: The Green House Effect.
I love CO2 so much I'm going to lock myself in an airtight room and convert all that nasty oxygen to awesome carbon dioxide.  I'll post later to let you guys know how it goes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 24, 2009, 04:01:13 AM
:rofl @ that Steelers fan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 09:01:41 AM
Anyone want to talk about the email hack of the climate change researchers?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/)

Quote
It was announced Thursday afternoon that computer hackers had obtained 160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in England. Those e-mails involved communication among many scientific researchers and policy advocates with similar ideological positions all across the world. Those purported authorities were brazenly discussing the destruction and hiding of data that did not support global-warming claims.

Professor Phil Jones, the head of the Climate Research Unit, and professor Michael E. Mann at Pennsylvania State University, who has been an important scientist in the climate debate, have come under particular scrutiny. Among his e-mails, Mr. Jones talked to Mr. Mann about the "trick of adding in the real temps to each series ... to hide the decline [in temperature]."






Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 24, 2009, 10:34:46 AM
Those Palin supporters are experts in self-annihilation  :yuck

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypo1sI_dmso[/youtube]

:bow Martha Stewart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 24, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Thank god I don't take benefits from my employer. Rates are up 18% over last year for single and family plans.The family plan deduction is $80.61/week with a $5000 deductible.

322.44x12 months=3869.28+5000=$8869.28 + $15 co-pays

I feel bad for my colleagues who have no other choice in the "free market". :smug

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on November 24, 2009, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 24, 2009, 11:05:26 AM
Rates are up 18% over last year for single and family plans.
Good luck justifying that cost increase with low inflation the past year.

Quote
The family plan deduction is $80.61/week with a $5000 deductible.
yeesh. That's terrible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 24, 2009, 01:48:38 PM
Theoretically, some people here would work 1 day out of 5 for the privilege of having insurance. :smug

Not even the nasty govt. payroll taxes can make that claim. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 24, 2009, 02:36:26 PM
Quote from: Kestastrophe on November 24, 2009, 10:34:46 AM
Those Palin supporters are experts in self-annihilation  :yuck

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypo1sI_dmso[/youtube]

:bow Martha Stewart

I still have trouble accepting the Palin clusterfuck. Even I don't hate America enough to believe there is a movement in this country to rally behind her, but there is :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2009, 02:37:18 PM
martha and sarah would be an awesome MILF threesome  :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 24, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on November 24, 2009, 02:38:26 PM
How are they justifying these cost increases?

When have premiums ever been tied to reality? I'm guessing they're just trying to get it while the gettin's good
Title: Scientists pwned, delusional amateurs vindicated!
Post by: Mandark on November 24, 2009, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 09:01:41 AM
Anyone want to talk about the email hack of the climate change researchers?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/24/hiding-evidence-of-global-cooling/)

Sure. (http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/11/you-dont-need-to-know-what-science.html)

Would love to. (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/)

After all, we know that any time someone uses (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=fourier+trick&aq=f&aqi=g-c1&oq=&fp=a92da727ef84a59f) the word "trick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_trick)" in a scientific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosser%27s_trick) context, they mean (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&fkt=611&fsdt=3395&q=randomization+trick&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=a92da727ef84a59f) some form of deception (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton-Nackman_trick).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
Sorry, Mandark not one of these refutes the fact that thee top climate change scientists colluded to hide data that goes against the message they are preaching. And preaching is such a good word for this.


Quote
There is a lot of damning evidence about these researchers concealing information that counters their bias. In another exchange, Mr. Jones told Mr. Mann: "If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone" and, "We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind." Mr. Jones further urged Mr. Mann to join him in deleting e-mail exchanges about the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) controversial assessment report (ARA): "Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re [the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report]?"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2009, 04:54:11 PM
hard to deny their own words. global warming annihilated

I hope there's a criminal investigation into this and possible charges; hell, a warrant to search Al Gore's computer seems like a good idea. Hopefully we don't waste billions on this fraud anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 05:10:29 PM
I'm renting a hummer and driving 10 full tanks in protest!  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
Liberals are eating a lot of crow lately. Here is the latest.


http://www.kentucky.com/latest_news/story/1032979.html (http://www.kentucky.com/latest_news/story/1032979.html)

Census worker killed himself, tried to make it look like homicide, officials say

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"We believe it was an intentional act on his part to take his own life," said Rudzinski, who helped lead the investigation.
Sparkman's nude body was found Sept. 12 by people visiting the cemetery. There was a rope around his neck tied to a tree, and he had what appeared to be the word "fed" written on his chest in black marker.


Remember back when dailyKos said this was a hate crime?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 24, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
tehjaybo and Bloodwake knew him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 24, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
tehjaybo and Bloodwake knew him.

That's racist wilco, not everyone in kentucky knows each other.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 24, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
But they actually did know him. They grew up with his son or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2009, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 24, 2009, 05:36:13 PM
But they actually did know him. They grew up with his son or something.

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Census worker Bill Sparkman committed suicide and deliberately made it look like murder as part of an insurance scam, Kentucky state police have concluded.

State police, working with the FBI, said at a press conference moments ago that Sparkman had recently taken out two life insurance policies that would not pay out for suicide. It appears Sparkman hoped that the scheme would benefit his son, Josh Sparkman.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/police_sparkman_committed_suicide_made_it_look_lik.php?ref=fpb

:drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 24, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 24, 2009, 06:59:51 PM
Damn, here I was hoping there was actually a heroic vigilante going around.   :'(

Yeah, the tyranny of answering the census is truly unforgivable.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 24, 2009, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 24, 2009, 06:59:51 PM
Damn, here I was hoping there was actually a heroic vigilante going around.   :'(

Yeah, the tyranny of answering the census is truly unforgivable.  ::)

Apparently, Bill Sparkman thought so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 24, 2009, 10:05:09 PM
No, apparently he thought the only way his kid was ever going to be able to get any money after the economy cratered was if he killed himself and the kid collected the insurance money.  8 years of conservative shitfuck economics will do that to you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 24, 2009, 10:05:09 PM
No, apparently he thought the only way his kid was ever going to be able to get any money after the economy cratered was if he killed himself and the kid collected the insurance money.  8 years of conservative shitfuck economics will do that to you.

And yet somehow you're still alive...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 24, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: The Card Cheat on November 24, 2009, 10:05:09 PM
No, apparently he thought the only way his kid was ever going to be able to get any money after the economy cratered was if he killed himself and the kid collected the insurance money.  8 years of conservative shitfuck economics will do that to you.

And yet somehow you're still alive...

I'm not in Kentucky.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2009, 10:25:21 PM
you in michigan yet? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 24, 2009, 10:27:51 PM
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html

I don't know if you guys care, but here is a pretty thorough dissection of those hacked emails.

Seems like Phil Jones and Mann (he of hockey stick fame) are real assholes.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 10:33:19 PM
Quote
Michael Mann discusses how to destroy a journal that has published sceptic papers.(1047388489)

Tim Osborn discusses how data are truncated to stop an apparent cooling trend showing up in the results (0939154709). Analysis of impact here. Wow!
Phil Jones describes the death of sceptic, John Daly, as "cheering news".


Briffa says he tried hard to balance the needs of the IPCC and science, which were not always the same.

 :lol
WTF
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 24, 2009, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 24, 2009, 10:33:19 PM
Quote

Briffa says he tried hard to balance the needs of the IPCC and science, which were not always the same.

 :lol
WTF

Looks like he's bitching about having to do managerial stuff which takes time away from being able to do new, publishable research.

Quote from: Briffa
I am happy to pass the mantle on to someone else next
time. I feel I have basically produced nothing original or substantive of my own since this
whole process started. I am at this moment , having to work on the ENV submission to the
forthcoming UK Research Assessment exercise , again instead of actually doing some useful
research !


This is a complaint I've heard first- or second-hand a gazillion times by professors who are organizing a conference, serving on some administrative committee, dealing with the national association for their field, etc, and I'm pretty tenuously connected to higher education.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 24, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
clearly, libertarians have never worked in a real job in their life or participated in a heavily-contextual email thread! :lol

get jobs, fruits

the email threads i could show you would BLOW YOUR FUCKIN MINDS, and, if read in a vacuum, would make you think i was the worst person in the world yet the end result was still a valid product. sarcasm, references to external events, the textual rendering of complicated interpersonal and interorganizational relationships are necessary parts of such discussions. office politics: not for outsider newbs to understand!

fabricated example: "Yes, you're so right. The product is a total piece of shit. When we applied for ABC licensing, we had no idea what we were doing, and of course we were just going along with the wacky ZZZZ standards committee. That said, someone has to clean up the data we sent Bob Bobbins, because he's not gonna like what we have to say anyway." REALITY: the product is in great shape, we've got a go on licensing, and Bob Bobbins is gonna complain no matter what so just send him something easy to read to shut him up so we can ship already.

:punch libertarian leeches :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 24, 2009, 11:57:45 PM
I think she's refreshing- a breath ....of fresh air.

Just the way she said it  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 25, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
Mandark, admit defeat. You've been foiled. Climate change is an elaborate hoax, and these e-mails prove it.

Carbon dioxide: some call it pollution, we call it life. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2009, 12:04:20 AM
I wonder what type of emails scientists send concerning evolution :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 25, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: Willco on November 25, 2009, 12:01:26 AM
Mandark, admit defeat. You've been foiled. Climate change is an elaborate hoax, and these e-mails prove it.

Carbon dioxide: some call it pollution, we call it life. :rock

OH GOD IT WAS ALL A LIE.  THE NATIONAL REVIEW WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!

*sobs hysterically*

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:bawl   <--- This really doesn't do justice to the magnitude of my emotional breakdown.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 25, 2009, 12:16:53 AM
I really cannot comment on these e-mails or the men in question, because I haven't read anything about it - but does it surprise people to learn that even scientists have an agenda?

And does that necessarily negate global warming? Break out the champagne, pop the corks, burn needless fossil fuels! Let the good times roll!

When scientists learned that cholera was not necessarily due to filthy inner city conditions, and thought that such a revelation might undermine their efforts to bring about government-funded sanitation (which was non-existent), many chose to withhold their findings. Or even spread misinformation.

I'd like to think that proper sanitation, waste removal, water filtration, etc. are still very important government services, regardless of whether or not it is only indirectly responsible for cholera and not the primary cause.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 25, 2009, 12:37:41 AM
Weren't many of those things available to the Romans? Isn't that just a logical step in civilization, rather than science pushing an agenda?

What's the point in carbon mitigation if we can not control population or it's incessant need for energy, meat, rice, etc? It seems like a losing battle. If CO2 is the death of us all, why not straight up carbon taxing?

If CO2 was found to be a minor player in the greenhouse effect, would that make the green industry disappear? Wouldn't it still continue on? Would we still not seek more efficient homes and appliances? A smarter energy grid? A more varied use of energy sources?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 25, 2009, 12:44:05 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2009, 12:04:20 AM
I wonder what type of emails scientists send concerning evolution :smug


Actually, there was some pretty heated back-and-forth about punctuated equilibrium back in the 70's.

A bunch of quotes from people like Stephen Jay Gould, criticizing other biologists, keep getting recycled on creationist sites to prove how corrupt the scientific community is.  I can only imagine what they'd do if they got big archives of private correspondence.  Richard Dawkins alone would give them more material than they'd ever need.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 25, 2009, 12:51:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 25, 2009, 12:37:41 AM
Weren't many of those things available to the Romans? Isn't that just a logical step in civilization, rather than science pushing an agenda?

Sanitation was always possible, but the Romans didn't have the population density that Western civilizations were forced to deal with in the mid to late-1800s. Industrialization created waste and populations that cities had never had to deal with before.

Governments did not feel compelled to perform basic sanitary services, like waste removal or clean up after livestock. I'm not even kidding. Living conditions in New York and London with filthy. New York for instance (circa 1830), had a population of 250,000 and there was no sewage system, no clean water supply, no waste removal and swine were literally running the streets.

But services would mean an increase in taxes, and the living conditions were something their constituents seemed content to deal with.

What pushed sanitation was cholera, and not some natural evolution of government services. People thought the air, from all the waste and filth, was literally hazardous and spreading cholera. There was almost an immediate reaction to the speculation, and over the course of the next several decades, major cities developed sanitation services. It was pushed heavily by the scientific community, despite after it was learned that cholera was spread through water and not air.

Quote
If CO2 was found to be a minor player in the greenhouse effect, would that make the green industry disappear? Wouldn't it still continue on? Would we still not seek more efficient homes and appliances? A smarter energy grid? A more varied use of energy sources?

No.

As I just stated, governments and people are compelled by a sense of urgency only when they're directly threatened. If we told people that could pour oil into the ocean and create slicks to slide off of, with no negative impact to their livelihood (but still destroy the ocean), they'd probably do it.

I know you're not an optimist about the human condition, so please don't troll me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 25, 2009, 01:54:10 AM
toxic, are you skeptical of CO2 physically acting as a "greenhouse" gas or if people produce enough of it to affect the environment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 06:29:05 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 24, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
clearly, libertarians have never worked in a real job in their life or participated in a heavily-contextual email thread! :lol


You clearly didnt read the emails then. I've had long work emails and never have I said anything remotely similar to what these people said. For crying out loud look at some of this shit. I know it's hard for you to actually look at this objectively. I know it's difficult for people to tell your that your religion is based on lies, but jesus fucking christ look at this shit. It clearly paints a picture that the intentions were not to present facts but to push their belief, whether the facts supported it or not. Get your head out of your asses.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 25, 2009, 07:44:41 AM
I guess I don't really care if scientists play up global warming.  To be honest, if a scientist is devoting their whole life to global warming, they're not exactly going to be unbiased because if global warming didn't happen, that person is going to have to find something else to do.  It's like how oil lobbyists keep pressing the need for oil.  We can spend DOD like budgets reforming the grid for green technologies or electric cars but we're all convinced from biased oil lobbyists (indirectly as they funnel influence through government and corporations) that oil is still necessary in society and that alternatives are nice but not feasible.  Meanwhile, we spend a few billion on new fighter jets that aren't necessary.

"Trick" isn't the best word choice but if the conversations are between people that know what it means and not the lolbertarians on the internet, then said lolbertarians should shut the fuck up.  E-mails between scientists shouldn't type e-mails in special wording so 20 year old middle class suburbanities panties won't get bunched up.  Also I find it entertaining how scientists are supposed to choose their words carefully but the same lolbertarian set 8 months ago was wanting us to give a bunch of leeway to the wordings of the numerous racist and irrational Ron Paul newsletter articles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 25, 2009, 08:18:11 AM
http://www.georgehutchins.com/ (http://www.georgehutchins.com/)

LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2009, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 25, 2009, 08:18:11 AM
http://www.georgehutchins.com/ (http://www.georgehutchins.com/)

LOL

Thanks. I'm sending a nice little email. I created a gmail account to send nice messages to scumbags like this. If anyone wants the login info. PM me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: T EXP on November 25, 2009, 07:44:41 AM
I guess I don't really care if scientists play up global warming.  To be honest, if a scientist is devoting their whole life to global warming, they're not exactly going to be unbiased because if global warming didn't happen, that person is going to have to find something else to do.  It's like how oil lobbyists keep pressing the need for oil.  We can spend DOD like budgets reforming the grid for green technologies or electric cars but we're all convinced from biased oil lobbyists (indirectly as they funnel influence through government and corporations) that oil is still necessary in society and that alternatives are nice but not feasible.  Meanwhile, we spend a few billion on new fighter jets that aren't necessary.

"Trick" isn't the best word choice but if the conversations are between people that know what it means and not the lolbertarians on the internet, then said lolbertarians should shut the fuck up.  E-mails between scientists shouldn't type e-mails in special wording so 20 year old middle class suburbanities panties won't get bunched up.  Also I find it entertaining how scientists are supposed to choose their words carefully but the same lolbertarian set 8 months ago was wanting us to give a bunch of leeway to the wordings of the numerous racist and irrational Ron Paul newsletter articles.


Uh... it's not like the stuff they said can be taken out of context. They fucking talk about fucking hiding the facts to support their viewpoint. They might as well be creationists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2009, 09:39:52 AM
Or republicans. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 09:41:08 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on November 25, 2009, 09:39:52 AM
Or republicans. :smug

true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 06:29:05 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on November 24, 2009, 11:37:03 PM
clearly, libertarians have never worked in a real job in their life or participated in a heavily-contextual email thread! :lol





You clearly didnt read the emails then. I've had long work emails and never have I said anything remotely similar to what these people said. For crying out loud look at some of this shit. I know it's hard for you to actually look at this objectively. I know it's difficult for people to tell your that your religion is based on lies, but jesus fucking christ look at this shit. It clearly paints a picture that the intentions were not to present facts but to push their belief, whether the facts supported it or not. Get your head out of your asses.



where have i said i am convinced that global warming is a threat? so far, the science has seemed sound to me, but i haven't researched it extensively, nor do i really care that much. since i have a lack of interest, this issue is one of those i defer to experts on, particularly those with "science" somewhere in their occupation as opposed to contrarian free market epopts.

my POINT is that these emails are a product of a context you and any one who wasn't a participant can't understand, and is hardly the smoking gun you've prayed for. also, that you've never participated in a real job. whether or not i have "faith" in global warming is completely irrelevant!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 02:14:08 PM
same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 02:17:32 PM
I like how prole's defense of the emails is "Wait a second guys we really don't know all the facts"

Yet, this attitude is nowhere to be found when it actually comes discussing the subject of "climate change" not by prole and not by anyone on the left.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 25, 2009, 02:17:35 PM
I sent an e-mail to another manager about how much of a prick our DM was being, and accidentally CC'd him on it. That was pretty funny. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 25, 2009, 02:15:34 PM
(also i called my boss a fuckface)

I bet in context you were really telling your friend how great your boss was right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 02:21:07 PM
even though i just said "i have largely neutral but scientist-biased" opinion on global warming? so science is the exclusive domain of liberals, now? first liberals own facts, and now the process by which facts are discovered -- EXCELLENT. you heard it here first.

my defense of the emails is that they are next to useless save to free market kooks looking for an angle, ANY angle by which to GAWTCHA the evil evil science what might be used to make them feel a bit guilty. not my problem!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 02:21:18 PM
Anyway, the emails clearly paint a picture that climate change is not based on facts, rather some delusional "scientists" who make stuff up.

Liberals circle the wagon and we can movie on to juicer news like this article.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aCgZM8CszQSg (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aCgZM8CszQSg)

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Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) -- At first it was just an unverifiable assertion. Now it turns out to have been a case of bureaucratic ineptitude and possible fraud. Transparency and accountability aren’t working out the way President Barack Obama had hoped.

The administration was already skating on thin ice when it announced on Oct. 30, with great fanfare, that 640,329 jobs had been created or saved as a result of the $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

Not 640,000, or even 640,300. Six-hundred-forty-thousand- three-hundred-and-twenty-nine.

Asked about accumulating reports of phony jobs in phantom districts, Obama told Fox News’s Major Garrett that “this is an inexact science.”

Turned into an exact one by his administration, I might add.

Even Vice President Joe Biden had the good sense to round up to the nearest million, which puts the number of jobs created or saved in line with “government and private forecasters’ estimates” for the Recovery Act.

Local newspapers across the country started to notice problems with the, er, jobs. Small stuff, like jobs that weren’t created and congressional districts that don’t exist. You have to admire the consistency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
People will defend even the indefensible when the alternative is admitting the other guy is right. I used to wonder how people would not realize the Rapture happened. But after this email disaster it's not hard to see how "scientists" could dismiss it, and the sheep follow suit. People disappear all the time, this is nothing new

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 02:23:37 PM
that said, i am glad that lolbertarians take a strict constructionist interpretation of college intellectual emails!

EMAIL THREADS: PUBLISHED TRUTHS FOR ALL MEN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 02:25:32 PM
i never trust a reported number that lacks a repeated digit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 02:27:15 PM
Circle dem wagons prole.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 02:38:58 PM
http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2009/11/23/the_case_of_the_hacked_climate_change_e_mails_part_2/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 02:51:29 PM
Quote
Does that exculpate them? Absolutely not. Does it explain why Phil Jones thought that private e-mails from climate researchers discussing the Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC should be deleted? Nope, not at all. Does it demonstrate that scientific progress, despite supposedly being based on the accumulation of data and the testing of theories, can be a messy, messy business, full of personal intrigue and antipathies? Absolutely yes


*yawn
None of this matters. It's like explaining away genocide by saying "opps we're only human"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 25, 2009, 03:04:43 PM
well, as long as your certainty that global warming doesn't exist and that all scientists that support it are in the hock on account of a few dubious emails isn't threatened!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
Well since there isn't any science supporting it. I think the burden of proof rests on people who want to believe it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 03:19:51 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/galeninjapan/7a20b75e30.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 25, 2009, 04:21:26 PM
ok, I just asked toxic this but foc, do you think that CO2 does not function as a "greenhouse" gas or that it does function as a greenhouse gas, but humans don't make enough of it to screw up the environment?

btw, I haven't really been following this email stuff but is there anything that disproves every single other climate scientist out there?  I mean, you'll definitely find scientists in all fields fudging up research to get more grants and ever.  But if the other 99.9998% of climate scientists believe that global warming is man-made, then I don't see any reason why this should actually make somebody more skeptical of man-made global warming.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2009, 04:27:08 PM
Looks like NASA is in on it too. (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/)
(http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/2009+2005+2007.gif)

With 2007 being the 2nd warmest year and 2009 being the 5th warmest in 130 years, it's obviously a cooling trend. Never mind that 8 of the 10 warmest years happened in the last 10 years. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 25, 2009, 04:41:52 PM
I believe in global warming I could do so without knowing dick about the science.  I believe in it because in my 29 years of life, all of them spent for the most part in Alaska, I've seen climate change, firsthand.

I've lived through summers that are hotter then they were ten and fifteen years prior, I've lived through shorter winters, I've lived through winters with less snow, summers with less rain.  My home state is warmer then it was when I was a child, heck, when I was a teenager even.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on November 25, 2009, 06:48:58 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 25, 2009, 09:29:29 AM
Quote from: T EXP on November 25, 2009, 07:44:41 AM
I guess I don't really care if scientists play up global warming.  To be honest, if a scientist is devoting their whole life to global warming, they're not exactly going to be unbiased because if global warming didn't happen, that person is going to have to find something else to do.  It's like how oil lobbyists keep pressing the need for oil.  We can spend DOD like budgets reforming the grid for green technologies or electric cars but we're all convinced from biased oil lobbyists (indirectly as they funnel influence through government and corporations) that oil is still necessary in society and that alternatives are nice but not feasible.  Meanwhile, we spend a few billion on new fighter jets that aren't necessary.

"Trick" isn't the best word choice but if the conversations are between people that know what it means and not the lolbertarians on the internet, then said lolbertarians should shut the fuck up.  E-mails between scientists shouldn't type e-mails in special wording so 20 year old middle class suburbanities panties won't get bunched up.  Also I find it entertaining how scientists are supposed to choose their words carefully but the same lolbertarian set 8 months ago was wanting us to give a bunch of leeway to the wordings of the numerous racist and irrational Ron Paul newsletter articles.


Uh... it's not like the stuff they said can be taken out of context. They fucking talk about fucking hiding the facts to support their viewpoint. They might as well be creationists.

Zero already mentioned it, but there I can't help but be really irked when global warming deniers have the audacity to mock creationists, flat earthers and the like, considering these guys happen to be on the same team 90% of the time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 25, 2009, 07:32:08 PM
Well they often have totally different motivations than the religious nuts.  They probably believe that the people who believe in man-made global warming will push an agenda that will get rid of blue-collar coal mines and raise taxes and utility rates to fund future alternative energy.  And that probably will happen.

I can kind of sympathize with some of that and personally I don't think that solar, wind, or Prius' are the future of green technology.  We're probably all just going to be driving electric cars with the grid powered by nuclear.

The problem though with nuclear is not just that it has a (recovering) shit reputation, but that it also requires a large capital investment in building a new plant.  I'd imagine it has to eventually overtake "green" technologies though because it actually reduces CO2 and it has enough return on investment to really appeal to the utility companies and environmentalists (the non-distinguished mentally-challenged ones at least).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 25, 2009, 07:47:16 PM
Most global warming deniers are Republicans/right wingers and most (rational) global warming solutions are typically spearheaded by the Democrats/left wingers.  In the black and white world of American politics, to support anti-global warming initiatives means to support socialism.  Most deniers think it is just fine to drive 100 mph off the environmental cliff and would rather wait until half of the coastal states are submerged before doing something about it (and dragging their feet every step of the way).

I'm 99.9% sure most of the global warming is man made but even if it is that 0.1%, I have no idea why people would be against renewable energies or initiatives to remove particulates in the air or dumping chemical wastes in the rivers.  Well, I do know why and it has everything to do with the black and white, left vs. right, attitude we have in politics today.  You're either for socialism or against it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 25, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 25, 2009, 01:54:10 AM
toxic, are you skeptical of CO2 physically acting as a "greenhouse" gas or if people produce enough of it to affect the environment.


That's a really good question.  I think the science is undeniable on the first part but I have some reservations about it's effectiveness (as reported by the IPCC), and I often wonder about the second part. I wonder why land temperatures have risen twice as fast as ocean temperatures. Wouldn't that indicate that "land use" is being vastly underreported? Studies have shown that it has a major effect on local weather patterns (re: The Himilayas). I think it would be a very terrible thing to reach around 500ppm in the atmosphere (because I believe that would put us into some unchartered area in regards to the historical record). I lean more towards a sequestration/carbon capture method (and limited mitigation) down the road.

I think we should still wait another decade before we decide on policy (at this rate, it looks like that's what is going to happen anyway). The net positive of alarmists is that they have pushed climate science to amazing heights in the past 10 years. What we know now about climate dwarfs what was known during Kyoto.

I'm still hesitant to commit to anything fully until I see what becomes of the computer modelling information that has been hacked. It could be a big story.

At this point, it's all fighting windmills (literally) anyways. Global business is on board and most intelligent people feel the net effect of this cause is a positive, so they don't seem to care if it is based on incomplete/faulty science or politics.



Quote
Most global warming deniers are Republicans/right wingers and most (rational) global warming solutions are typically spearheaded by the Democrats/left wingers.  In the black and white world of American politics, to support anti-global warming initiatives means to support socialism.  Most deniers think it is just fine to drive 100 mph off the environmental cliff and would rather wait until half of the coastal states are submerged before doing something about it (and dragging their feet every step of the way).

I'm 99.9% sure most of the global warming is man made but even if it is that 0.1%, I have no idea why people would be against renewable energies or initiatives to remove particulates in the air or dumping chemical wastes in the rivers.  Well, I do know why and it has everything to do with the black and white, left vs. right, attitude we have in politics today.  You're either for socialism or against it!

I find it strange how you rail against people that look at things in a black/white way ... and then you go and say that people who have issues with the scientific process/motivations of people surrounding climate science are against renewable energies or clean air/water? Anti-alarmism = pro-pollution?

Why can't I be a skeptic and FOR those issues (which I am)?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2009, 11:35:42 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it took millions of years to create coal, oil, and other things we use for fuel. It only took a hundred to put a sizable amount of it into the air. I'd rather that my grandkids pay for health care(which they too will receive) than a toxic environment AND shitty health care.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 26, 2009, 06:08:53 AM
Well, TA, there are always exceptions to the rules but that is the general consensus on the right: that there is more than enough natural resources to last us for a while and that global warming is a conspiracy for Democrats and green minded people to control the population.  There are far right wing fringes that believe global warming is a government conspiracy theory -- completely made up for the sole purpose of a one world government where a sole governing body controls the world population to keep carbon dioxide, nitrogen oxides, etc. in check.  Given how the post 2008 GOP embraces these fringes...

Zero Hero: Well, unless we move towards a total organic agrarian society, we're going to be using up the world's resources, especially if for fuel.  I guess it just a matter of how quickly we want to use them up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 29, 2009, 10:24:34 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece

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SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.


Well, at least we still have the revised and adjusted data to look at.  :lol


I never went past the first few levels of my science classes. When did they tell students they should throw away raw data for experiments?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 29, 2009, 10:24:34 PM
I never went past the first few levels of my science classes.
:spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2009, 01:59:33 AM
That's not nice. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 30, 2009, 02:08:21 AM
Anyone catch Ben Stein on CNN this weekend saying that people who call the pollution lobby, uh, the pollution lobby are liars and scoundrels because in reality, they are actually the "truth lobby"?

No joke. That's a quote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2009, 02:17:23 AM
The truth is that the world isn't divided between the left and the right, it's divided among those that are on the take and those that are not. Good luck trying to figure out who the honest ones are on either side.



edit: They finally found the "smoking gun" email among those released. Please read:


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From: ernst.kattweizel@redcar.ac.uk

Sent: 29 October 2009

To: The Knights Carbonic

Gentlemen, the culmination of our great plan approaches fast. What the Master called "the ordering of men's affairs by a transcendent world state, ordained by God and answerable to no man", which we now know as Communist World Government, advances towards its climax at Copenhagen. For 185 years since the Master, known to the laity as Joseph Fourier, launched his scheme for world domination, the entire physical science community has been working towards this moment.

The early phases of the plan worked magnificently. First the Master's initial thesis – that the release of infrared radiation is delayed by the atmosphere – had to be accepted by the scientific establishment. I will not bother you with details of the gold paid, the threats made and the blood spilt to achieve this end. But the result was the elimination of the naysayers and the disgrace or incarceration of the Master's rivals. Within 35 years the 3rd Warden of the Grand Temple of the Knights Carbonic (our revered prophet John Tyndall) was able to "demonstrate" the Master's thesis. Our control of physical science was by then so tight that no major objections were sustained.

More resistance was encountered (and swiftly dispatched) when we sought to install the 6th Warden (Svante Arrhenius) first as professor of physics at Stockholm University, then as rector. From this position he was able to project the Master's second grand law – that the infrared radiation trapped in a planet's atmosphere increases in line with the quantity of carbon dioxide the atmosphere contains. He and his followers (led by the Junior Warden Max Planck) were then able to adapt the entire canon of physical and chemical science to sustain the second law.

Then began the most hazardous task of all: our attempt to control the instrumental record. Securing the consent of the scientific establishment was a simple matter. But thermometers had by then become widely available, and amateur meteorologists were making their own readings. We needed to show a steady rise as industrialisation proceeded, but some of these unfortunates had other ideas. The global co-option of police and coroners required unprecedented resources, but so far we have been able to cover our tracks.

The over-enthusiasm of certain of the Knights Carbonic in 1998 was most regrettable. The high reading in that year has proved impossibly costly to sustain. Those of our enemies who have yet to be silenced maintain that the lower temperatures after that date provide evidence of global cooling, even though we have ensured that eight of the 10 warmest years since 1850 have occurred since 2001. From now on we will engineer a smoother progression.

Our co-option of the physical world has been just as successful. The thinning of the Arctic ice cap was a masterstroke. The ring of secret nuclear power stations around the Arctic circle, attached to giant immersion heaters, remains undetected, as do the space-based lasers dissolving the world's glaciers.

Altering the migratory and reproductive patterns of the world's wildlife has proved more challenging. Though we have now asserted control over the world's biologists, there is no accounting for the unauthorised observations of farmers, gardeners, birdwatchers and other troublemakers. We have therefore been forced to drive migrating birds, fish and insects into higher latitudes, and to release several million tonnes of plant pheromones every year to accelerate flowering and fruiting. None of this is cheap, and ever more public money, secretly diverted from national accounts by compliant governments, is required to sustain it.

The co-operation of these governments requires unflagging effort. The capture of George W Bush, a late convert to the cause of Communist World Government, was made possible only by the threatened release of footage filmed by a knight at Yale, showing the future president engaged in coitus with a Ford Mustang. Most ostensibly capitalist governments remain apprised of where their real interests lie, though I note with disappointment that we have so far failed to eliminate Vaclav Klaus. Through the offices of compliant states, the Master's third grand law has been established: world government will be established under the guise of controlling man-made emissions of greenhouse gases.

Keeping the scientific community in line remains a challenge. The national academies are becoming ever more querulous and greedy, and require higher pay-offs each year. The inexplicable events of the past month, in which the windows of all the leading scientific institutions were broken and a horse's head turned up in James Hansen's bed, appear to have staved off the immediate crisis, but for how much longer can we maintain the consensus? Knights Carbonic, now that the hour of our triumph is at hand, I urge you all to redouble your efforts. In the name of the Master, go forth and terrify.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2009, 08:00:58 AM
The media's fixation on these idiot party crashers is starting to make me crazy, especially the whole "omg they got within an arm's length of the POTUS what could have haaaaaapened" meme.  Hey idiots- even though they got in, they STILL had to go through all of the security.  Some idiot just thought they were on the list when they weren't.  It's not like they could have brought a gun in with them.  Fucking media, I swear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on November 30, 2009, 08:05:02 AM
(http://www.superpoop.com/113009/obama-facebook.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 30, 2009, 10:19:12 AM
 :lol
Title: If your epistemology is broken, I can lend you mine
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2009, 02:17:23 AM
The truth is that the world isn't divided between the left and the right, it's divided among those that are on the take and those that are not. Good luck trying to figure out who the honest ones are on either side.

Spoiler (http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/AEI.pdf) alert (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/15/AR2009111503159_pf.html).


Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on November 30, 2009, 08:00:58 AM
The media's fixation on these idiot party crashers is starting to make me crazy, especially the whole "omg they got within an arm's length of the POTUS what could have haaaaaapened" meme.  Hey idiots- even though they got in, they STILL had to go through all of the security.  Some idiot just thought they were on the list when they weren't.  It's not like they could have brought a gun in with them.  Fucking media, I swear.

Kind of weird how this has been a much bigger story than the loose nukes (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.html) incident we had a couple years ago.  Did they ever figure out what happened there?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 30, 2009, 12:38:23 PM
They could have killed the President! WHAT IF IT WAS OSAMA BIN LADEN?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: Willco on November 30, 2009, 12:38:23 PM
They could have killed the President! WHAT IF IT WAS OSAMA BIN LADEN?!

If it were OBL, he would have been on the guest list so Obama could pal around with some terrorists.

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2009, 03:31:58 PM
GOP chances of taking the white house just took a massive blow.

Huck :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 30, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
huckabee never had a chance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2009, 04:12:17 PM
damning coming from you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on November 30, 2009, 04:13:23 PM
pd and foc arguing over predictions :lol

It's like Waldorf and Statler arguing over who's gonna nail Jessica Biel first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 30, 2009, 06:03:46 PM
I'm sure glad you fuckers are posting links as to why Huckabee is done...for now.

I saw some of the Willie Horton ads Bush put out.  Democrats should do that to the Republicans.  Fuck fighting fair.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2009, 06:13:21 PM
Nah, republicans would do it to him. Romney grilled him pretty hard on this, last year in Iowa. It would be even more potent now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2009, 06:19:48 PM
Don Limbaugh will know what to do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2009, 06:21:11 PM
If anything, this just solidifies the maniac bloc for Palin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 30, 2009, 06:39:23 PM
MIKE HUCKABEE LETS MURDERERS LOOSE ON THE STREETS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 30, 2009, 07:43:05 PM
Not sure why anyone thinks palin has a chance. She didnt even finish one term.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Neither did Obama.

:smug
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 30, 2009, 07:46:22 PM
He served for three terms in the Illinois state senate, which is a lot more impressive than Mayor of Wasilla.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on November 30, 2009, 07:47:33 PM
I took a dump all by myself this morning which also makes me more impressive than Palin .
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 30, 2009, 07:43:05 PM
Not sure why anyone thinks palin has a chance. She didnt even finish one term.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Neither did Obama.

:smug
[close]

You'd be surprised.  A year and a half ago there were people who thought Ron Paul had a legit shot at the nomination.

I know, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 30, 2009, 08:05:25 PM
Zing! :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
Quote
In an interview with the Politico, former Vice President Dick Cheney attacked President Obama over Afghanistan -- and also insisted that the Bush administration is not responsible for the situation in that country:

    But Cheney rejected any suggestion that Obama had to decide on a new strategy for Afghanistan because the one employed by the previous administration failed.

    Cheney was asked if he thinks the Bush administration bears any responsibility for the disintegration of Afghanistan because of the attention and resources that were diverted to Iraq. "I basically don't," he replied without elaborating.

As Spencer Ackerman points out, Cheney's statement comes right on the heels of a Senate report saying that the United States missed an opportunity to capture Osama bin Laden in December 2001, in Tora Bora. And even without that relevant piece of news, the fact remains that the Bush Administration handed off the Afghanistan situation to Obama in the eighth year of the conflict.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/cheney-i-basically-dont-think-bush-administration-responsible-for-afghanistan-problems.php?ref=mp

And yet people still think he (and his fucktard daughter) is a legitimate bastion of foreign policy knowledge/advice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 01:13:39 PM
Politico is like America's Concern Troll, they fucking suck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
And yet people still think he (and his fucktard daughter) is a legitimate bastion of foreign policy knowledge/advice

The only people who think that are the 33% that cheerleaded Bush no matter how shitty he was. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 01:17:46 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 01, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 01:12:54 PM
And yet people still think he (and his fucktard daughter) is a legitimate bastion of foreign policy knowledge/advice

The only people who think that are the 33% that cheerleaded Bush no matter how shitty he was. 

And the rest of the GOP who are willing to cater to them. Not a good mix, especially after democrats fuck things up enough to lose in 2010.

Cheney is the Matt Millen of foreign policy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2009, 08:31:54 PM
OBUSHMA :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 08:35:19 PM
Honestly, the Afghan/Iraq stuff doesn't bother me 1/10th as much as tossing the economy to the Rubinites to be raped some more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 08:38:10 PM
In fact, I'd be willing to invade Iran or North Korea if he would publicly kill every Goldman Sachs executive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 08:40:51 PM
He's doing what he said he'd do
[youtube=560,345]m_N1OjGhIFc[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2009, 08:44:31 PM
If 30k now equals an exit by 2011, I think it's worth it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 01, 2009, 08:44:31 PM
If 30k now equals an exit by 2011, I think it's worth it.

Agreed but at the same time...I really doubt we'll be out in 2011.

Too bad we can't just send some commandos into Pakistan, steal their nuclear weapons/kidnap their scientists/destroy their research, then call it a day
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 08:51:03 PM
Yeah, this really kind of weirdly reinforces a point that some of my more apathetic/casually Republican friends keep making- you can't trust the Govt. to do what you want, so you might as well try to put in charge people who will try to do very little.  Of course they don't realize that in the guise of "not governing" the Republicans are busy selling off everything and spending just as much as Democrats, but oh well.

The whole thing makes me even more cynical towards the process.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2009, 08:52:39 PM
when the government does less, the corporations do more

and we saw how well THEY ruled the last couple decades with the leashes off, eh

mmm, massive consolidation of wealth among the extreme elite

:rock galt's gulch :rock

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 01, 2009, 08:52:39 PM
when the government does less, the corporations do more

and we saw how well THEY ruled the last couple decades with the leashes off, eh

Which just boggled my mind when the FIRST thing Obama didn't do was nail down the "govt. is necessary to rein in these idiots" meme by going after them hardcore.  Now everything is muddled and even if he did want to (all indications are he doesn't, sadly) the tea baggers would just shout "MOAR SOCIALISM!!!1!!11!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 08:57:05 PM
Kinda wondering why people feel let down on Obama's decision when he campaigned on this. That's not to justify his decision one way or another, but this is one of the issues he's actually consistent on.

I'm smh'ing more at the whole let-everyone-push-you-around-ie-banks-wall street-etc-oh-and-lieberman thingie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
his chicago pals are friends of business if you know what i mean and i think you do

the chicago school is basically the austrian school with less wacky math and more busted kneecaps
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 08:59:06 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 01, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
his chicago pals are friends of business if you know what i mean and i think you do

the chicago school is basically the austrian school with less wacky math and more busted kneecaps

Yeah, don't forget where Uncle Milty taught.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2009, 08:59:28 PM
Increasing the troops isn't going to do shit.  America and the UN has long since burned through their political capital in the nation.  Foreign nations have a poor track record as a whole of containing Afghanistan sentiment.  30,000 additional troops means a few more victories over the Taliban but that isn't going to unfuck the worthless Karzai administration, the opium trade, or the Taliban's resurgence.

In 2011, we'll pull out as losers but only with more casualties and more debt than if we didn't increase the troops.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2009, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 01, 2009, 08:59:28 PM
In 2011, we'll pull out as losers but only with more casualties and more debt than if we didn't increase the troops.

Pretty much, but if he didn't do this Very Serious People would be saying that "some are calling the President a cheese eating, wine drinking muslim socialist surrender monkey" on all of the Sunday shows and the dems would probably lose both houses next year.  So I guess it's worth it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
I also think Obama's pledge for more troops in Afghanistan is a failed attempt to be bipartisan again.  The right wing is hoping they can push off health care debates until next year and are using the troop increases to make that happen.  Democrats, sackless as ever, sit back and fret about how they can levy an additional tax on the troop surge, not realizing that the GOP succeeded in their goal of dragging out the health care debates longer, as more Americans get pissed that the opportunity to get easily accessible, affordable health care escapes their grasp.  This also gives the teabaggers a chance to collect themselves and attack again with neurotic Democrats puzzled as to why public support of the public option wanes, without realizing that they let a good opportunity slip through their hands.

Then when vulnerable Democratic seats get sacked next November, the same Democrats will stand around looking confused, wondering why they get railroaded.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 01, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
I also think Obama's pledge for more troops in Afghanistan is a failed attempt to be bipartisan again.  The right wing is hoping they can push off health care debates until next year and are using the troop increases to make that happen.  Democrats, sackless as ever, sit back and fret about how they can levy an additional tax on the troop surge, not realizing that the GOP succeeded in their goal of dragging out the health care debates longer, as more Americans get pissed that the opportunity to get easily accessible, affordable health care escapes their grasp.  This also gives the teabaggers a chance to collect themselves and attack again with neurotic Democrats puzzled as to why public support of the public option wanes, without realizing that they let a good opportunity slip through their hands.

Then when vulnerable Democratic seats get sacked next November, the same Democrats will stand around looking confused, wondering why they get railroaded.  

That's a pretty ridiculous assertion. I don't think Obama spent three months getting troop death reports, visiting cemeteries, and listening to his commanders only to make his decision based on how to get republicans to like him.

Republicans could delay heath care with the troop increase, like they did with the crime bill during Clinton's health care attempt. Ultimately I think a bill will be done before 2010. It may be compromised to shit but it'll pass; once again less a literal handful of democratic senators will get to overrule the will of the majority of the democratic party and country.

Democrats are going to lose seats in 2010 regardless, it's just a question of how much. Once health care passes and people realize their grandma is still alive they'll chill out; and likewise once grandma realizes her pills are cheaper she'll chill out, and vote for a democrat next time she's given the chance. The economy is going to be the major issue for 2010, and I'm guessing republicans aren't going to be campaigning against HC as much as they're suggesting right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
It's going to be very interesting to watch republican campaigning on the perceived failures of dems inability to fix the problems republicans caused.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2009, 10:05:49 PM
from TPM

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Johnnies-Come-Lately

Where have all these war skeptics on CNN right now been for the last eight years?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Can someone point me to some good pundits/journalists that deal with foreign affairs?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 02, 2009, 04:24:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Can someone point me to some good pundits/journalists that deal with foreign affairs?

You looking to learn about anything in particular?

My best advice is to look for writers who stick to their own specializations rather than people who opine about whatever the current hot topic is.  Some general pundits are good, but most of them are crap, and reading stuff by an actual regional/national expert always gives you a lot more information.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 02, 2009, 04:24:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Can someone point me to some good pundits/journalists that deal with foreign affairs?

You looking to learn about anything in particular?

My best advice is to look for writers who stick to their own specializations rather than people who opine about whatever the current hot topic is.  Some general pundits are good, but most of them are crap, and reading stuff by an actual regional/national expert always gives you a lot more information.

Specifically looking about stuff on Afghanistan. Preferably from people who have at least some idea of what they're talking about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 02, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 02, 2009, 04:24:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Can someone point me to some good pundits/journalists that deal with foreign affairs?

You looking to learn about anything in particular?

My best advice is to look for writers who stick to their own specializations rather than people who opine about whatever the current hot topic is.  Some general pundits are good, but most of them are crap, and reading stuff by an actual regional/national expert always gives you a lot more information.

Specifically looking about stuff on Afghanistan. Preferably from people who have at least some idea of what they're talking about.

Juan Cole is pretty good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2009, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 02, 2009, 04:24:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Can someone point me to some good pundits/journalists that deal with foreign affairs?

You looking to learn about anything in particular?

My best advice is to look for writers who stick to their own specializations rather than people who opine about whatever the current hot topic is.  Some general pundits are good, but most of them are crap, and reading stuff by an actual regional/national expert always gives you a lot more information.

Specifically looking about stuff on Afghanistan. Preferably from people who have at least some idea of what they're talking about.

Dick Cheney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2009, 03:45:58 PM
fegs of NY still can't get married thanks to 38 Republicans and 8 democrats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on December 02, 2009, 04:34:55 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 02, 2009, 03:45:58 PM
distinguished effete fellows of NY still can't get married thanks to 38 Republicans and 8 democrats.

Just read this, really disappointed in my state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
Gay marriage is a pipe dream.

Can someone not explain to me why we cannot abolish marriage, create civil unions to federally protect gay and straight couples, and let folks have a religious ceremony if they so desire?

The technical argument is that marriage is religious in nature, and defined as between a man and a woman.

If so, why can't we take the religion out of it? Everyone gets civil unions, end of story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 02, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 02, 2009, 04:54:47 PM
Gay marriage is a pipe dream.

Can someone not explain to me why we cannot abolish marriage, create civil unions to federally protect gay and straight couples, and let folks have a religious ceremony if they so desire?

The technical argument is that marriage is religious in nature, and defined as between a man and a woman.

If so, why can't we take the religion out of it? Everyone gets civil unions, end of story.

Because then you're not just trying to give the homos special rights, you're actually taking rights away from the straights which just isn't allowed.

It's all dumb anyway, in 30 years tops it will be the law of the land even in fucking Wyoming.  Of course by then our kids will all be drinking Brawndo and too stupid to spell marriage.  You had a good run, America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 02, 2009, 05:05:52 PM
Hating fags is as American as apple pie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 02, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
Well NY is just a few politicians holding it up as those other three states.  California actually had the voters themselves turn it down (with Utah paying to get those votes).  So it probably goes:

NY>CA>UT>>>>TXass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 02, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Because then you're not just trying to give the homos special rights, you're actually taking rights away from the straights which just isn't allowed.

But you wouldn't be taking away rights from anyone, just separating church and state. If the argument is that giving gays the right to marry somehow perverts the very religious foundation its based on, then I say let's do away with the religious foundation.

That won't stop people from getting married, and whatever religious ceremonies they choose to participate in their private life is their business. It would just mean that on a federal level, all couples are protected - regardless of religion, race, sexual orientation, etc.

... That said, I think folks would still oppose it, because this isn't about gays ruining the religious definition of marriage, but gay people fucking in our own backyard.

Oh, the humanity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 02, 2009, 06:30:20 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 02, 2009, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 02, 2009, 04:24:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 02, 2009, 03:37:16 AM
Can someone point me to some good pundits/journalists that deal with foreign affairs?

You looking to learn about anything in particular?

My best advice is to look for writers who stick to their own specializations rather than people who opine about whatever the current hot topic is.  Some general pundits are good, but most of them are crap, and reading stuff by an actual regional/national expert always gives you a lot more information.

Specifically looking about stuff on Afghanistan. Preferably from people who have at least some idea of what they're talking about.

Juan Cole is pretty good.

<3 seymour hersh <3
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 06:31:07 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 02, 2009, 06:26:43 PM
While I agree in principal with the idea that civil unions should be the law, saying that you'd (said to no one in particular) prefer civil unions to government sanctioned marriage is a cop-out.

How so?

I'm pretty far left in my belief that religion should be taken out of the equation with many government services, this is just really an extension of that.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 06:45:10 PM
I disagree. My personal opinion is that if we do not dump marriage in favor of civil unions, then gays must be allowed to marry and afforded the same rights as any other couple. I'm a realist, and I'd put people's rights over my personal opinion.

I recognize the prospect of the local governments, let alone the federal government, adopting civil unions is slim. That said, I still don't understand why we haven't done so. We wouldn't even be the first country to do so!

I will say that my personal belief is that nobody has put up a compelling argument against civil unions for all couples, simply because that would quickly unravel the primary argument behind the right's argument to not allow gays to marry.

They can't allow the discussion to switch to civil unions, because then the bigotry becomes transparent instead of veiled by religious technicalities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 02, 2009, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 02, 2009, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 02, 2009, 05:00:47 PM
Because then you're not just trying to give the homos special rights, you're actually taking rights away from the straights which just isn't allowed.

But you wouldn't be taking away rights from anyone

Good luck convincing the Jesus brigade of that.

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just separating church and state.

...and these people want LESS of that, so there you go.

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... That said, I think folks would still oppose it, because this isn't about gays ruining the religious definition of marriage, but gay people fucking in our own backyard.

Oh, the humanity.

nail, head, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Here's my problem with that. If you went up to the American public and told them, "Guess what, everyone is getting civil unions that will afford all the rights that a marriage license used to carry, and will not prohibit you from exchanging vows at a religious ceremony of your choosing!"

... could they really argue they're losing anything?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 06:55:08 PM
It still seems ridiculous to me. My personal feelings is that the gay community would be better served by pushing for civil unions instead of foolishly trying to fight religious dogma. If the aim is to secure rights, then it is the most logical and rational way. It the goal is to rewrite religion, well, good luck with that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 02, 2009, 07:09:54 PM
Separate but equal, eh?

Gay marriage and adoption is legal in my state.  I suspect other states will eventually fall in line as well.  The movement will snowball.  I wouldn't expect ultraconservative states to submit until the end but they will do so as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 02, 2009, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 02, 2009, 07:09:54 PM
Separate but equal, eh?

Huh? Nobody is talking about that.

... Dude, gay marriage got voted down in California and Maine. Yeah, the movement is really snowballing. ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 02, 2009, 08:05:50 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 02, 2009, 06:49:01 PM
Here's my problem with that. If you went up to the American public and told them, "Guess what, everyone is getting civil unions that will afford all the rights that a marriage license used to carry, and will not prohibit you from exchanging vows at a religious ceremony of your choosing!"

... could they really argue they're losing anything?

Dude, you're expecting the fucking yahoos who were yelling about death panels to take that at face value?  When Sarah Palin is telling them that this is a secret muslim socialist homospiracy to indoctrinate their youth into FEMA camps?  Glenn Beck said so too!

...basically, you're giving the public at large too much credit.  Also, this would never happen since it makes too much sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 02, 2009, 08:07:15 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 02, 2009, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 02, 2009, 07:09:54 PM
Separate but equal, eh?

Huh? Nobody is talking about that.

... Dude, gay marriage got voted down in California and Maine. Yeah, the movement is really snowballing. ::)

Yeah, but it lost by a lot more just a couple years ago in California.  It also just BARELY lost in Maine.  Seriously, it IS gaining momentum and in another ten years or so a bunch more states will have gay marriage.  In another 20-25 enough will have it that unless President Palin stacks the Supreme Court any court will rule that it has to be federally recognized, thus legalizing it.  Suck it down, states rights people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 02, 2009, 08:09:39 PM
[youtube=560,345]sTbJcixsLq8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2009, 08:13:17 PM
Where were these concern trolls 9 years ago  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 02, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
Quote
Meet Al Gore in Copenhagen." The official announcement from this fair Danish city says it all. The former vice president is getting star treatment when he arrives with an entire swarm of green-minded gadflies for the United Nations' global warming extravaganza, which begins on Dec. 7.

"Have you ever shaken hands with an American vice president? If not, now is your chance. Meet Al Gore in Copenhagen during the UN Climate Change Conference," notes the Danish tourism commission, which is helping Mr. Gore promote "Our Choice," his newest book about global warming in all its alarming modalities.

"Tickets are available in different price ranges for the event. If you want it all, you can purchase a VIP ticket, where you get a chance to shake hands with Al Gore, get a copy of Our Choice and have your picture taken with him. The VIP event costs DKK 5,999 and includes drinks and a light snack."

Wait, what? How much is that in American dollars? The currency conversion says it all, too: 5,999 Danish kroners is equivalent to $1,209
.

I'm sorry, Al Gore is my Sarah Palin.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2009, 10:47:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2009, 08:13:17 PM
Where were these concern trolls 9 years ago  :lol

It's Chris Matthews. His entire gimmick is being a concern troll.

As far as the Obama speech I thought it was a good and well reasoned speech for his perspective.

I still disagree with us being there. Or increasing the troop count. But I have trust in him so hopefully if things continue to muddle about he will do the right thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2009, 06:01:40 AM
The vibe I get is that basically we're going to try and beat the shit out of them for a year, which when combined with the "hey this is when we're starting to leave" date will convince the Taliban that it's better to just lay low and wait until we leave to start ruining the country again.  That way it's like Iraq all over again- "OMG look at all the progress we made!  Victory!  Time to leave bitches, sorry if it blows up five seconds after we're out!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 03, 2009, 11:59:24 AM
But all that infrastructure reconstruction stuff is still going to go on even after the troops leave, right?  I don't really see a point then in leaving and logically, Iraq is a great strategic spot to have a base like Japan/Germany post-WW2.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 03, 2009, 05:39:28 PM
 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1

I'm sure they almost prefer to just take a giant shit on Afghanistan and then leave.  That way they can return and run up some fat debts in ten years when public opinion changes from against nation building to for.  That or general apathy, which could be molded either way.

 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 03, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
I don't see why public opinion would change if we're still spending the same amount of money in Iraq 10 years from now as we are today (a few billion a week).  Like 80% of that money goes just towards reconstruction so there would be a change if we took out the combat forces but it's still not that big a change as far as economic drain is concerned.  Some people might pull out the whole "save the troops" argument but nobody actually gives a shit (outside of the family of the troops).

I can see some people making a serious argument about the tax burden on Americans to pay for Iraqis being unfair though.  But it's still only going to be a few percent of the GDP to fix a nation we fucked up for no reason.  There was no real ideology being fought against like in Vietnam wrt communism, we just fucked up some random motherfuckers.  It's like running over somebody you accidentally thought was shop-lifting and then having to pay his medical bills.  Just on a slightly larger scale.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 06:44:19 PM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/teabagging_is_the_new_nr.php?ref=fpblg

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
I like how democrats are ulltra concerned about the debt when the war is brought up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
I like how democrats are ulltra concerned about the debt when the war is brought up.

You know, it's not impossible to be a leftist and not concerned about the debt.  Of course, one way of not running deficits is, you know, COLLECTING ENOUGH TAXES TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING.  But heavens forbid we raise taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 03, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
I like how democrats are ulltra concerned about the debt when the war is brought up.

You know, it's not impossible to be a leftist and not concerned about the debt.  Of course, one way of not running deficits is, you know, COLLECTING ENOUGH TAXES TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING.  But heavens forbid we raise taxes.

not if we cut taxes as well as spending :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 03, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 06:44:19 PM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/teabagging_is_the_new_nr.php?ref=fpblg



 :lol They don't even get why people call them teabaggers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2009, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 03, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
I like how democrats are ulltra concerned about the debt when the war is brought up.

You know, it's not impossible to be a leftist and not concerned about the debt.  Of course, one way of not running deficits is, you know, COLLECTING ENOUGH TAXES TO PAY FOR WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING.  But heavens forbid we raise taxes.

not if we cut taxes as well as spending :smug

Then we pretty much just end up where we are now, except we're spending less so therefore stimulating the economy less, which makes PERFECT SENSE in a horrible recession.

Of course, you can't have any sort of honest discussion about raising taxes in America, even if it's just on the rich or corporations, because we're about six brain cells away from drinking Brawndo and watching Ow My Balls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 08:38:47 PM
Quote
To get snow in our typically tropical clime the timing must be just right, with cold air arriving at the same time as atmospheric moisture. It seems plausible this will happen Friday afternoon.
The National Weather Service says much of the area could get from a trace to an inch of snow.
But Houston only sees snow, on average, about every four years. And never this early in the season: Friday's, if it comes, would be the earliest snowfall ever in Houston, beating the record tied last year by six days. So forecasters like Fred Schmude, of ImpactWeather, are wary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 03, 2009, 09:23:58 PM
Global warming lol am i rite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2009, 09:28:02 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 03, 2009, 09:23:58 PM
Global warming lol am i rite

Yeah, I man it's not like it was in the high 60's in Wilmington today, or unseasonably warm all up and down the east coast or anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 03, 2009, 09:29:53 PM
UH HELLO ITS SNOWING EARLY IN TEXAS YOUR STUPID SCIENCE HOAX IS EXPOSED
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 03, 2009, 09:41:27 PM
Who the fuck cares about the East coast?

Today the temperatures were so cold and winds so high that it felt like my face was freezing off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
I wonder if Global warming will come back... say around next April or so?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 03, 2009, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 03, 2009, 09:41:27 PM
Who the fuck cares about the East coast?

Today the temperatures were so cold and winds so high that it felt like my face was freezing off.

1200 km north of you.
Cry moar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 03, 2009, 09:46:12 PM
I wonder whether an isolated cold front is insufficient to decide whether the Earth, as a whole, is warming.
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 03, 2009, 09:42:15 PM
I wonder if Global warming will come back... say around next April or so?  ???
I wonder whether the Earth has a Southern Hemisphere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 03, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Quote from: Harry Lime on December 03, 2009, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 03, 2009, 09:41:27 PM
Who the fuck cares about the East coast?

Today the temperatures were so cold and winds so high that it felt like my face was freezing off.

1200 km north of you.
Cry moar.

This guy on a police forum I post on has this as his sig:

"Welcome to Winnipeg.  We were born here, what's your excuse?"

Well?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 03, 2009, 10:08:47 PM
First Cute-Girl, now you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 03, 2009, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 03, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2009, 06:44:19 PM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/teabagging_is_the_new_nr.php?ref=fpblg



 :lol They don't even get why people call them teabaggers.

I thought they came up with the term themselves?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2009, 12:19:17 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/3/810660/-Palin-goes-birther

She's finally reached the highest point of crazy. No where else to go but down now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 01:07:01 AM
You'd think if Palin would have any scrap of decency or empathy, it would be in the area of politicians dealing with unfounded personal rumors.  Oh well.


PS fwiw we just had the 2nd hottest October on record, following the outright hottest September.


PPS Did you know that Ron Paul voted for a bill that increased the federal debt by ~$2 trillion?  With no offsetting spending cuts attached or anything?  Tsk tsk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2009, 09:16:57 AM
Didn't you hear Mandark? It might snow in Texas. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 01:07:01 AM

PPS Did you know that Ron Paul voted for a bill that increased the federal debt by ~$2 trillion?  With no offsetting spending cuts attached or anything?  Tsk tsk.

What bill?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 09:38:34 AM
I wish I lived in oblivious bliss a.k.a. liberal la la land.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2009, 09:42:17 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 09:38:34 AM
I wish I lived in oblivious bliss a.k.a. liberal la la land.  :(

It has it's benefits; for example we don't have to continually look at the inside of our own anus, like libertopians with their heads up their own asses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 09:44:38 AM
[youtube=560,345]OM9jhGiIAFM[/youtube] <-- card cheat, triumph, Biff or whatever the fuck you go y these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2009, 09:46:16 AM
And we don't get spoon fed shit we are supposed to hate. I didn't always hate republicans and conservative types and I sure as hell wasn't told to despise them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2009, 11:48:24 AM
In reality we're spineless cowards who snunk away at the first sign of conflict  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 12:04:44 PM
Quote
I am not the Eric Burns who heads Media Matters, the liberal watchdog group. I am the Eric Burns who used to host Fox News Watch on the right-wing partial-news-but-mostly-opinion network. In the past year and a half, since departing from Ailes and friends, I have been much more silent about media matters than my namesake.

I speak out now because it is the time of year when one is supposed to count blessings. I have several. Among them is that I do not have to face the ethical problem of sharing an employer with Glenn Beck.

Actually, Beck is a problem of taste as well as ethics. He laughs and cries; he pouts and giggles; he makes funny faces and grins like a cartoon character; he makes earnest faces yet insists he is a clown; he cavorts like a victim of St. Vitus's Dance. His means of communicating are, in other words, so wide-ranging as to suggest derangement as much as versatility.

He is Huey Long without the political office.

He is Father Coughlin without the dour expression.

He is John Birch without the Society.

He is an embarrassment to all true conservatives, men and women who believe sincerely, thoughtfully and sensibly that the role of government in American life should be limited.

Of course, Beck does not call himself a conservative; he is, rather, a libertarian, which may be defined as a conservative-squared, a person who wants the feds to collect no money in taxes, spend no money on programs, but make available all services that the libertarian deems necessary for his own convenience and safety.

It is remarkable that Beck has attracted the amount of attention he has. Remarkable because, every night, Fox's Sean Hannity and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann stage a duel of one-sidedness in political commentary that would have been the talk, and the shame, of a more civil era.

Remarkable because, every night, Fox's Bill O'Reilly stages an exhibition of contentiousness, mean-spiritedness and self-aggrandizement that would similarly have affronted civil viewers of the past.

Remarkable because, every night, CNN's Campbell Brown stages an exhibition of a different kind, one of honorable pugnacity, an exhibition that would have stimulated viewers of the past but instead makes her a part of her network's continuing decline in prime-time ratings.

Yet Glenn Beck surpasses them all. He is the talk of the talkers. It is he who causes commentators to comment, fans to swoom, foes to fulminate. And it is he who has motivated me to burrow up from my literary researches to opine on journalism one more time.

I ask myself what I would have done if I worked at Fox now. Would I have quit, as the estimable Jane Hall did? Once a panelist on my program, Hall departed for other reasons as well, but Beck was a particular source of embarrassment to her, even though they never shared a studio, perhaps never even met.

I think . . . I think the answer to my question does not do me proud. I think, more concerned about income than principle, I would have continued to work at Fox, but spent my spare time searching avidly for other employment. I think I would not have been as admirable as Jane Hall. I think I would not have reacted to Beck with the probity I like to think I possess.

But, in my defense, I would never have gone out in public without wearing those funny black eyeglasses with no glass, bushy eyebrows and a fake nose.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-burns/if-i-still-worked-at-fox_b_376972.html

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 12:15:59 PM
He will be dead by sundown. His family too, if he has angered Ailes enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 09:35:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 01:07:01 AM

PPS Did you know that Ron Paul voted for a bill that increased the federal debt by ~$2 trillion?  With no offsetting spending cuts attached or anything?  Tsk tsk.

What bill?


You're the one who's so well-informed, kid.  You tell me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 03:33:01 PM
I'm too busy fighting off global warming here in a fucking Houston blizzard.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
Blizzard?  Really?

Not the first time FoC's wildly exaggerated something that was really just 1-3 inches.   :wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 04:18:51 PM
If it's lower than 60 degrees it's a fucking blizzard in Houston.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 04:28:48 PM
In the short term, cutting spending would prolong the recession.

In the long term (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_age)...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 04, 2009, 04:25:07 PM
What would happen if we went with the Republican agenda, i.e. scrapping the health care bill, stopping cap and trade, cutting spending, cutting taxes?

(http://www.americandigest.org/mt-archives/President%20Ronald%20Reagan.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 04, 2009, 04:25:07 PM
What would happen if we went with the Republican agenda, i.e. scrapping the health care bill, stopping cap and trade, cutting spending, cutting taxes? I'm having trouble envisioning all the ramifications of their proposals.
Couldn't it be said that the way things are now is because of the republican agenda?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 04, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 04, 2009, 04:25:07 PM
What would happen if we went with the Republican agenda, i.e. scrapping the health care bill, stopping cap and trade, cutting spending, cutting taxes? I'm having trouble envisioning all the ramifications of their proposals.
Couldn't it be said that the way things are now is because of the republican agenda?

But you have to remember those weren't real conservatives because they didn't cut spending! Reagan, Bush, Bush #2 were all faux conservatives

Once you get a real conservative in there to cut the budget it will ALL WORK!!!!

So we need to either elect Sarah Palin or Ron Paul! NOW!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2009, 04:41:02 PM
30 years of fake conservatives. Could one surmise that they are all phonies? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2009, 05:19:30 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 04, 2009, 05:10:03 PM
What do you guys make of the notion that the health care bill is one of the big reasons businesses aren't hiring?

Load of crap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 05:23:01 PM
Triumph just can't handle the truth!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on December 04, 2009, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 04, 2009, 05:10:03 PM
What do you guys make of the notion that the health care bill is one of the big reasons businesses aren't hiring?
That's bullshit. Sounds almost like Ricardian Equivalence
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
What do you guys think about
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 04, 2009, 06:06:46 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
Blizzard?  Really?

Not the first time FoC's wildly exaggerated something that was really just 1-3 inches.   :wag

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2009, 07:01:28 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/privatejobgrowth.png)

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 07:05:43 PM
Free market = code word for special interest groups that fund my campaign
Spending government money on projects executed by the private sector = socialism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2009, 08:09:52 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 04, 2009, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 04, 2009, 05:35:29 PM
What do you guys think about
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My wife is working on a project paid for by stimulus money.  They just hired some people to work on it.

So your wife is a communist. Great.  :bawl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 04, 2009, 08:11:34 PM
I've met his wife. I can confirm that she is, indeed, a communist. She has a thick Russian accent, and she kept asking me for directions to military installations. It was weird.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 04, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 04, 2009, 07:01:28 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/privatejobgrowth.png)

:teehee

Bu-bu-bu-bububu

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...bu!
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
bubububu...war time :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2009, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 04, 2009, 05:10:03 PM
What do you guys make of the notion that the health care bill is one of the big reasons businesses aren't hiring?

About as credible as businesses not hiring cause Obama bowed to Japan's head samurai.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2009, 01:05:53 AM
Since fisking, like Romney's talking points, are soooo 2003 I'll just sum up:

Businesses aren't holding off on investing because of some potential policy changes that haven't been passed through Congress and won't take effect for years even if they are.  They're holding off on investing because we're in the middle of a fucking recession.  They know that there's less being spent, so they're not going to be able to sell as much, and are cutting production as a result.  This started happening way before Obama took office, and it's happened many times with no regard to the partisan affiliation of the current president.

Mitt Romney knows this.  He spent time in the private sector, and fired enough people to understand how the process works.  Nobody's out there saying "Gee, I was gonna build a couple new factories to sell my widgets, but because of the possibility of a cap-and-trade bill several years down the road, that doesn't even target my particular industry, I'm just going to sit on this cash!"

I mean, honestly now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 05, 2009, 01:09:18 AM
I do know of quite a few people who truly believe businesses and people are too scared to invest a dime into anything because of the cap and trade, health care, etc. initiatives. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 05, 2009, 03:57:40 AM
I agree with Mandark on this one. It's really just bottom lines we are talking about here. You budget your spending for the quarter on perceived revenues and then go from there. Infrastructure spending gets puts on the back burner first.

The other Romney talking point has me scratching my head:

Repair the stimulus. Freeze the funds that haven't yet been spent and redirect them to immediate, private sector job-creation priorities.


I could be mistaken, but I think a good portion of the stimulus money left is actually TAX CUTS that are supposed to take effect in 2010. Good luck being a Republican and cancelling tax cuts.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Is There a Doctor in the House?
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Ron Paul, the GOP's unlikely savior.
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/225723 (http://www.newsweek.com/id/225723)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 06, 2009, 01:00:30 AM
It basically just says that Paul's ideas are "unworkable", that his fans can be fairly crazy, and that he basically bombed in the presidential primaries.  But that despite all that, some of his ideas eventually gained traction after several years (wrt recent Federal Reserve auditing).  So basically just by being patient and saying the same thing over and over again, he gained some grassroots type support for his very unorthodox policies, and that that is something the GOP should study and try to emulate some-fucking-how.

The writer is pretty clearly saying that the republicans should try to get the type of supporters that he has to come to their side, not that they should emulate the man himself as he's at best considered untouchable among the party leaders.  What was your point in linking that?
Title: I'm beginning to see why JD likes him so much
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2009, 04:12:26 AM
Ron Paul's kind of interesting in that I don't think he's ever accomplished anything politically.  <Biden>And I mean that sincerely.</Biden>

As a candidate, he got lots of people to click on his tip jar.  As a Congressman, he votes no on everything and uses hearings as an opportunity to badger people with mind-bogglingly dumb questions.  Has anything substantive come of it?

He doesn't bother sponsoring or amending bills because he's so dogmatic about the illegitimacy of everything the federal government does.  So he gives up any practical chance at moving policy towards his goals.  If he had any effect whatsoever on the platforms or rhetoric of the mainstream GOP candidates, I didn't see it.  He seemed completely uninterested in pressuring them to take more libertarian stances.



edit:  I just brought today's WaPo in from the snow, and the Outlook section's feature piece is an editorial by Eliot A. Cohen.  What the fuck guys?  Morning ruined.  Going back to sleep.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 06, 2009, 08:36:21 AM
I don't think Dr. Paul's real-world irrelevancy is a bug, it's a feature. If he actually staked out real, implementable ideas it's pretty clear how quickly his worldview would be objectively ridiculous, along with all his critter followers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on December 06, 2009, 08:39:43 PM
Tax policy shifts the Aggregate Supply curve through the labor markets, but I have no idea if that would change hiring practices  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 06, 2009, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 06, 2009, 08:33:21 PM
Question: would a big tax hike on the top 2% of earners in the country encourage companies to pay their executives less and hire more workers/raise salaries for the average employee? Or would there be some other result that I'm not thinking of?
They only pay capital gains(15%) anyway. Plus, in 2003, Bush cut their tax rate 19% effectively while only giving the other 95% of Americans a 4% tax cut. This is class warfare and it needs to be fought back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Question: If we raise taxes on people that provide jobs will that make them more likely to spend money?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 06, 2009, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Question: If we raise taxes on people that provide jobs will that make them more likely to spend money?

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I'm going to beat you with a stick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:26:51 PM
A stick would work better than your shitty logic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 06, 2009, 09:27:51 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:26:51 PM
A stick would work better than your shitty logic.

Please give evidence of my shitty logic.

Since in the past five pages, I'm pretty sure my only posts have been making fun of Winnipeg and expressing the desire to beat you (more) senseless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:34:03 PM
I genuinely want to see one of you guys suggest something that doesnt reeuire taxes to be raised. You cannot do it.

Anyway, nothing exists in a vacuum. Raises taxes anyone will not stimulate anything. The only way you can lower the job rate is to get people spending again. That's not gonna happen if you start talking about raising taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2009, 09:40:43 PM
flame, your knowledge of basic economics could fit in danny bonaduce's condom with room for his spurt remaining.

that said, we can lower taxes for some folks -- if we raise them steeply on other folks and entities :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
i want the upper 1-2% and corporations taxed at eisenhower levels, and taxation for the middle class and small businesses whacked in half. trouble is, the middle class and small businesses actually PAY their taxes :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 06, 2009, 09:46:50 PM
Prole, but your solution forces the disgustingly filthy rich to settle for being merely filthy rich. That's ridiculous, and not the American way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2009, 09:53:04 PM
even worse, it means money for the filthy lazy useless poors comes disproportionately out of the coffers of the wealthy, who are all hard-working geniuses and not at all silver-spoon dynastic heirs or opportunistic market gamblers or usurious bankers with privileged access to the majority of society's resources. besides, have you seen the poor people, recently? they are so gross. they poop out lots of babies and pretend to be sick because they are crazy! WHY SHOULD PARIS HILTON'S OR BERNIE MADOFF'S HARD EARNED DOLLARS GO TO GETTING THEM HD TEEVEES AND CIGARETTES??


edit: bubububububububu john galt-esque industrialists! IN MY AMERICA? not a chance!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 06, 2009, 10:16:08 PM
tax reform is perhaps needed more badly in this nation then health care reform, and getting that done would be even more difficult.

There's billions and billions and billions of dollars left on the table, so the speak, that the government could be or should be using that is not being collected, or just isn't being taxed.  When Warren Buffet says he's being taxed unfairly, in that he's not being taxed enough for the health of the country, I'd listen to him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2009, 10:37:01 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Question: If we raise taxes on people that provide jobs will that make them more likely to spend money?

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You know, we had pretty good economic growth from the late 40's to mid 70's when, you know, the rate on the top earners was like 70%.  Oops.  Pesky facts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
they can always take their ball to dubai if they don't like it here! :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 06, 2009, 10:54:43 PM
My biggest problem with this conservative/libertarian philosophy that the less we tax industrialists, the more likely they are to give back to America in philanthropy, programs/services and jobs is the conceit that the wealthy care about nationalism anymore.

Has "trickle down" economics ever been proven to work, let alone in a globalized economy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 06, 2009, 10:48:52 PM
they can always take their ball to dubai if they don't like it here! :smug

[youtube=560,345]7QDv4sYwjO0[/youtube]

Somalia is where it's at!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2009, 12:05:45 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 06, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Question: If we raise taxes on people that provide jobs will that make them more likely to spend money?

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(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/privatejobgrowth.png)
:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 12:38:45 AM
rich people don't spend on goods/services; they hoard and invest -- and investment money only really goes to other rich folks, with a trickle going to the little people

the middle-class spends several orders of magnitude more, when they have money

hence, take the money from the non-spenders and give it to the spenders

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2009, 01:27:15 AM
But Joe the plumber told me that Jimmy, the cashier monkey at McDonald's will lose the incentive to become a millionaire some day if taxes on the rich are raised.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 01:32:52 AM
Reminds me of that WSJ article about how rewarding greed is a good thing or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2009, 01:33:41 AM
Also, how come FoC and his ilk have a problem with the gubment taking rich people's taxes to give to the poors, but don't have a problem for the reverse? I mean, who do they think pay for those tax cuts the rich get?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 01:47:49 AM
I think they just fear social darwinism or something.  If you take away basic living needs from poor people like affordable healthcare and decent education, they'll have less ability to compete for comfy, yuppie lifestyles.  It's probably not so much about taking an extra couple percent home a year as it is about reinforcing the glass ceiling.  Making sure your spawn doesn't have to clean toilets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on December 07, 2009, 03:30:11 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 07, 2009, 01:27:15 AM
But Joe the plumber told me that Jimmy, the cashier monkey at McDonald's will lose the incentive to become a millionaire some day if taxes on the rich are raised.  :'(

Not picking on you or anything, but one of the most frustrating things is seeing lower and middle class people defend the wealth accumulation of the wealthy because they know that one day their hard work/plans will get them to be one of them-when of course this will never actually happen and they'd be better off redistributing the living heck out of said wealth accumulation and having the proceeds benefit people of their station.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 04:07:15 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 06, 2009, 10:54:43 PM
My biggest problem with this conservative/libertarian philosophy that the less we tax industrialists, the more likely they are to give back to America in philanthropy, programs/services and jobs is the conceit that the wealthy care about nationalism anymore.

Has "trickle down" economics ever been proven to work, let alone in a globalized economy?

Short answer:  No.

We have actual test cases of this theory, in the form of every nation before they implemented a social welfare system.  In every case, any remotely objective measurement of poverty and misery was higher before than after.

The "charitable" giving, especially of the rich, isn't always directed towards the poor, either.  A lot of it is donating to their (often Ivy League) alma maters, supporting fine arts, etc.  There's a bunch of research on altruism, and while I haven't read it, I'm pretty certain that "charity is an awesome, market-driven, comprehensive replacement for government services that will help the poor if only we tear down the New Deal" is not the conclusion they draw.

And what's up with conservatarians always describing corporate executives and the holders of capital as "the people who create jobs"?  It's as if our economy is solely the work of our entrepreneurial overlords, and that we should all be glad that they deign to employ the rest of us.  Nah, I know what's up.  It's just rephrasing the Galt myth.


Quote from: Fragamemnon
Not picking on you or anything, but one of the most frustrating things is seeing lower and middle class people defend the wealth accumulation of the wealthy because they know that one day their hard work/plans will get them to be one of them-when of course this will never actually happen and they'd be better off redistributing the living heck out of said wealth accumulation and having the proceeds benefit people of their station.

There's a neat little exchange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JDNTS2wHHo#t=4m52s) in 1776 that sums up the whole thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2009, 07:00:24 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 07, 2009, 06:44:50 AM
The conclusion I draw is that presuming one's money is one's rightful property, whom one chooses to give it to is their business.

However, yes, the right-leaning do donate more to charitable organizations while the left-leaning want to shunt more responsibility onto the government.  It seems - for you at least - that one rationale for this is that you want a say in where that cash goes, since presumably you think you have any kind of right to do so.

Which I guess makes for an awesome philosophy in the abstract, but has proven to make a shitty society here in Real World Land.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 07:26:24 AM
It's not charity if it doesn't go to the needy.

Also, if a person gets taxed on the profit they take home, what harm does it do to anything to tax that more?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 07, 2009, 07:00:24 AM

Which I guess makes for an awesome philosophy in the abstract, but has proven to make a shitty society here in Real World Land.

ORLY?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 07, 2009, 07:26:24 AM
It's not charity if it doesn't go to the needy.

And who is needy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:18:11 AM
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/warm_and_fuzzy_facts_RD1aMFGyyvy19b0ZTHaGwO (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/warm_and_fuzzy_facts_RD1aMFGyyvy19b0ZTHaGwO)
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COPENHAGEN -- Shakespeare's Marcellus was right. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
In this hotbed of homogeneity, where global warming is a sacred assumption for the faithful, 15,000 people will come together from 192 countries to pray for two weeks over what can be done to save the Earth from certain doom. Few places are better suited to handle the throngs of unquestioning believers who will journey from around the globe.
Dissent is not tolerated, and diversity -- in any form other than biodiversity -- is not welcome here.
...

His Democratic majority dwindles to basically nothing without members from coal states, heavy-industry states and other states where people generally would like to find a job.
But this crowd gathering here is far worse than just a bunch of hand-wringing Hamlets dithering in Denmark.
Some 40,000 tons of carbon will be spewed getting this crowd together and keeping them in comfort.
That is the amount of carbon dioxide produced by more than 60 of the world's smaller countries in an entire year -- combined.


:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2009, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 07, 2009, 07:00:24 AM

Which I guess makes for an awesome philosophy in the abstract, but has proven to make a shitty society here in Real World Land.

ORLY?

YA RLY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 07, 2009, 09:18:55 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 07, 2009, 07:00:24 AM

Which I guess makes for an awesome philosophy in the abstract, but has proven to make a shitty society here in Real World Land.

ORLY?

YA RLY

Sorry your life is so shitty. Maybe you shouldn't suck so bad at life. I think our society is pretty fucking great. In fact our standard of living as a human race is higher than it has ever been in human history.

:bow capitalism
:piss People who suck at it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 07, 2009, 09:44:24 AM
"Society is pretty great!" says the fringe looney toon who wants to dramatically alter the direction society is heading.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:51:57 AM
Who are you talking about?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2009, 10:24:25 AM
I'm curious as to what our resident libertopian and libertard (JayDubya and FoC, natch) think about this story:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/12/03/wal_mart_will_pay_40m_to_workers/?page=1

To sum up- WalMart forces employees to work through their breaks and after hours after they've apparently clocked out, in effect STEALING CITIZENS' MONEY/ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY just as efficiently (if not moreso!) than, say, a tax would.  So they settle a lawsuit for 40 million in back pay to almost 90k workers in MA.  Lest you think this is an uncommon occurrence for the genial, awesome conglomerate, last year around this time they settled 63 similar cases in 42 states to the tune of around 352 million dollars. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/business/24walmart.html?_r=1)

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Seeing as how neither one is capable of actual thought and just regurgitates the same old crap, let me answer for them- those people in those jobs made a choice, blah blah blah, they could always have just found a better job, blah blah blah.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 11:52:40 AM
 :lol

I like how you think I am Pro big business just because I support free markets. I'm glad that wal-mart lost this and think they should have paid even more.

Not paying workers is akin to stealing which is wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2009, 12:19:21 PM
Gee, what with your sympathy to the plight of workers being taken advantage of, it's a crying shame that there isn't some sort of organization that these workers could form to make sure they're not being chronically fucked over like that!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 07, 2009, 12:19:21 PM
Gee, what with your sympathy to the plight of workers being taken advantage of, it's a crying shame that there isn't some sort of organization that these workers could form to make sure they're not being chronically fucked over like that!

What like a class action lawsuit?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 12:19:55 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 07, 2009, 12:19:21 PM
Gee, what with your sympathy to the plight of workers being taken advantage of, it's a crying shame that there isn't some sort of organization that these workers could form to make sure they're not being chronically fucked over like that!

What like a class action lawsuit?

Which, considering the amount of lawsuits settled by WalMart, seems to do fuck all to deter them from this sort of shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
Then I assume you don't do business at wal-mart?

Problem solved. Company sucks and you don't have to have anything to do with them.

Only people who want to work there, and people who want to shop there need apply.
Capitalism succeeds again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2009, 12:43:53 PM
Damn liberals and their labor laws.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:16:05 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 07, 2009, 07:26:24 AM
It's not charity if it doesn't go to the needy.

And who is needy?
That would be anybody who can't afford basic living needs like food, medical care, education, etc.  What is your standard for "needy"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2009, 03:10:53 PM
Medicare buy-in attracting interest in the public option negotiations

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    The proposal would lower the age of eligibility for Medicare from 65 to 55, though an age limit of 60 has also been suggested. Crucial details -- such as the timing of the implementation of such a reform -- were not provided due to the sensitivity and ongoing nature of the deliberations. A high-ranking Democratic source off the Hill confirmed that such discussions are taking place.

    Lowering the floor for Medicare is one of several ideas being discussed as a way to pacify progressives upset over the potential elimination of a public option for insurance coverage, one of the sources added. Senate Democrats held discussions this past weekend about replacing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's version of a public plan with one that would be non-profit-based. The alternative proposal would be offered in state exchanges, run by private insurers but monitored by the Office of Personnel Management.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/exclusive_medicare_buy-in_attr.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/7/811654/-Medicare-Buy-In-Gaining-Traction-in-Public-Option-Negotiations
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
Then I assume you don't do business at wal-mart?

Problem solved. Company sucks and you don't have to have anything to do with them.

Only people who want to work there, and people who want to shop there need apply.
Capitalism succeeds again.

Yeah, they should just quit and find another job. It's not like we're in a recession or anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 07, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
Then I assume you don't do business at wal-mart?

Problem solved. Company sucks and you don't have to have anything to do with them.

Only people who want to work there, and people who want to shop there need apply.
Capitalism succeeds again.

Yeah, they should just quit and find another job. It's not like we're in a recession or anything.

Are you suggesting that they might be the envy of some jobless people...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 04:16:31 PM
No, most people would not envy a minimum wage job where your employer cheats you out of money.  Even if you had AIDS, would you envy another guy with anal warts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 04:02:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 07, 2009, 03:46:39 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 12:41:37 PM
Then I assume you don't do business at wal-mart?

Problem solved. Company sucks and you don't have to have anything to do with them.

Only people who want to work there, and people who want to shop there need apply.
Capitalism succeeds again.

Yeah, they should just quit and find another job. It's not like we're in a recession or anything.

Are you suggesting that they might be the envy of some jobless people...

ever had to pay to live without mommy and daddy to bail you out
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 07, 2009, 04:16:31 PM
No, most people would not envy a minimum wage job where your employer cheats you out of money.  Even if you had AIDS, would you envy another guy with anal warts?


Really? Then I guess the CNBC special about a new Wal-mart opening and thousands of people lining up for a job was just fancy camera work?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 04:34:57 PM
If you still have house and car payments, like many of the now unemployed, there's no way a minimum wage job can sustain you so there's no way those people would want to line up outside Wal-Mart.

Also, do you think that even 1% of the people lining up think that they're going to be working unpaid overtime?

If you agree with me on both of the above points, then I have no idea what your fucking argument is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
I like how it was progressive labor laws that made the lawsuit possible to begin with, and the money is ruled on and doled out by agents of the government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
I like how it was progressive labor laws that made the lawsuit possible to begin with, and the money is ruled on and doled out by agents of the government.

You mean a system of justice that protects the property rights of the party who whose contract was broken? That system?  ???

And I guess nobody ever got paid before labor laws.

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:rofl
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 07:41:27 PM
Not sure what either of those have to do with the argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 07:44:08 PM
Good argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2009, 07:48:57 PM
...smh

at least Texas is gonna get destroyed next month.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
Union membership is at its lowest membership in decades.

Liberals helplessly hanging on to an aged and dated social institution.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 07, 2009, 06:44:50 AM
The conclusion I draw is that presuming one's money is one's rightful property, whom one chooses to give it to is their business.

Yeah yeah.  Private property's an inalienable right.

If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2009, 07:21:33 PM
I like how it was progressive labor laws that made the lawsuit possible to begin with, and the money is ruled on and doled out by agents of the government.

You mean a system of justice that protects the property rights of the party who whose contract was broken? That system?  ???

And I guess nobody ever got paid before labor laws.

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:rofl
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Who set the requirements of the contract in question? What force compels the losing party to pay up, and who decides exactly how much?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
Who set the requirements of the contract in question?
The parties entering into the contract.

Quote
What force compels the losing party to pay up, and who decides exactly how much?
The legal system.

I hope you're not trying to suggest that I am against a legal system by another thinly veiled attempt to paint me as an anarchist.

:wag
You can do better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 09:18:25 PM
Wait, FoC, haven't you said you're in favor of tort reform?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
Tort reform.. as in taking power away from juries?

Probably not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 06, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
I'm a fan of some Tort reform
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 07, 2009, 09:29:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM


Yeah yeah.  Private property's an inalienable right.

If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.

Why do you think he'll actually do so this time?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on November 06, 2009, 04:56:01 PM
I'm a fan of some Tort reform

Is that the best you got?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 09:36:35 PM
Boogie:  Hey, worst-case scenario I've got a generic post I can c/p whenever JayDubya's argument boils down to an unsupported assertion of natural rights (which is, you know, every single time).




FoC:  Point is, you gotta explain how you feel about tort reform, considering you're leaving civil suits as the only avenue of redress for workers who find themselves on the wrong end of a breached contract.  Ah, I'm kidding.  Nobody expects you to put forward a viable, libertarian alternative to the current political economy.  You just keep telling us how great Candyland will be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 07, 2009, 09:55:14 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
Tort reform.. as in taking power away from juries?

Probably not.

Are you also in favor of removing juries from criminal trials? If not, why would you trust juries to judge criminal conduct, but not tortious (I mean tortful!!) conduct?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 07, 2009, 09:55:48 PM
That's my #1 complaint about lolbertopians, maybe it's unfair to ask them to concoct an entire self-consistant fantasy land out of their beliefs, but at least for the sake of forum argument, can't you at least see your ideas a couple steps ahead and how quickly they break down. It's all stopped being fun.
Title: How u mine 4 petard-hoisting?
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 10:38:02 PM
JD:  "Why don't you explain the set of objectively-existing, incontrovertible truths which you subscribe to, huh?"

Me:  "But I don't have any."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 10:52:22 PM
I'm getting flashbacks to my first college roommate, who asked me how I couldn't believe in God, cause then there would be no basis for ethics or morality whatsoever.

It's like he was scared to believe that humans created their own rules of behavior and interaction.  He had to believe that it came from some transcendent, authoritative source.  Me?  Not so much.

So, I'll repeat:

Quote from: See, Boogie?  Told you it'd be useful!
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 11:35:19 PM
there is nothing you have which i or society at large cannot take away, and whether or not is acceptable is based entirely on context -- time, location, culture, etc. all you have are "privileges" and "suffrances" from the rest of us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 07, 2009, 11:35:48 PM
JayDubya talks smart, but his arguments always boil down to semantics and nothing of actual substance. When his positions are debated, there is no reasoning other than, "I can't talk to you when you continue this campaign of lies!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 07, 2009, 11:37:38 PM
So FOC, did you even have a point when you said that jobless people ENVIED Wal-Mart employees?  Do you see now why it gets you nowhere just playing mad-libs with random philosophical bullet points about money, value, and Wal-Mart?

JD, there are definitely some "rights" that most everybody would agree are deserved but you can't use their popularity, today at this one second, to justify them.  A minority of adults were able to vote in this country's first elections despite whether they had a "right" to or not.  In the real world, where everybody is out for themselves, it's what is enforceable and legal that matters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 11:43:12 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 07, 2009, 11:24:07 PM
Regardless of how I proceed, this will be a timesink that will mostly have to wait for tomorrow.

I like this sort of answer on forums.  "I don't want to respond to that.  Not because I don't have a good answer, but because my answer is too good."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
i'm still racking my brain to think of a single facet of the human condition that i can't abrogate! i'm expecting to be AMAZED
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2009, 11:47:46 PM
i suppose by jaydubya logic i can't abrogate a fetus' right to be human :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:18:47 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 07, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
i'm still racking my brain to think of a single facet of the human condition that i can't abrogate! i'm expecting to be AMAZED

So your response is, because I can kill you nothing should be a "right"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

:bow Democrats
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Does that mean muslims have no rights?

:bow republicans
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 08, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Does that mean muslims have no rights?



Not sure what you're talking about.

:bow distinguished mentally-challenged liberals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2009, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:30:03 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 08, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Does that mean muslims have no rights?



Not sure what you're talking about.

:bow distinguished mentally-challenged liberals.


Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

:bow Democrats
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:40:45 AM
Still have not clue what you're trying to say.  ???


Perhaps if you just say it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2009, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

:bow Democrats

I would say that no one can be this obtuse, but I have your entire post history across multiple forums to contradict me here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 08, 2009, 09:44:05 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.

:bow Democrats

I would say that no one can be this obtuse, but I have your entire post history across multiple forums to contradict me here.

I would say that no one can type soo much without actually saying anything, but I have your entire post history across multiple forums to contradict me here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:49:30 AM
Go ahead tell me what's wrong with this
Quote
Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.


You can't, because your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Which is the party that starts all the wars? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2009, 09:52:25 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:49:30 AM
Go ahead tell me what's wrong with this
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Rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you. Sounds like mob rule to me.


You can't, because your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

Right, because "rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you" is exactly equal to "rights are not inherent and dependent upon what society at large chooses to believe is a right"

Honestly, I don't know why anyone talks to you.  I think that there should be a filter that turns all of your posts into "PROOF!", "Ron Paul!" or "Gold!"  It's not like anyone could notice a difference.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 08, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
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your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

the question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.  The basic idea is to have a political system founded on the world as it is, however scary, and not on comforting fictions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:56:01 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 08, 2009, 09:52:07 AM
Which is the party that starts all the wars? :smug

WW1 - Woodrow Wilson (D)
WW2 - F.D.R. (D)
Korean war - Harry Truman (D)
Vietnam war - L.B.J. (D)


hmmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:56:22 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on December 08, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
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your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

the question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.  The basic idea is to have a political system founded on the world as it is, however scary, and not on comforting fictions.

I'll give you props for at least admitting this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2009, 09:57:02 AM
Democrats started ww1 and 2?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 08, 2009, 09:52:25 AM

Right, because "rights are only granted because I choose not to kill you" is exactly equal to "rights are not inherent and dependent upon what society at large chooses to believe is a right"



I was replying to this.
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i'm still racking my brain to think of a single facet of the human condition that i can't abrogate! i'm expecting to be AMAZED

Prole is arguing that there is no such thing as inherent rights because we can all kill you and take them away.m
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 08, 2009, 10:02:27 AM
How is that not the case?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 08, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 07, 2009, 09:04:39 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2009, 08:28:34 PM
Who set the requirements of the contract in question?
The parties entering into the contract.


And what gave these unemployed people, about to enter into a contract with Walmart, any say in what they were about to sign? They're jobless, at the end of their rope, being offered a job by one of the largest corporations on Earth. What established not only their capability to demand anything, but set down what they could expect to receive at minimum?

What changed from 1850 to the modern day that gave them such a cocky self-entitled attitude? Like you said, it's not like a thousand other uneducated, unemployed poor people wouldn't trip over themselves to work at Walmart even if they have to skip lunch. Why shouldn't Walmart just choose to hire those people?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2ypj6on.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2009, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: Chipopo on December 08, 2009, 09:53:26 AM
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your basic political ethic system boils down to this shitty shitty depressing line.

the question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.  The basic idea is to have a political system founded on the world as it is, however scary, and not on comforting fictions.

yup. we can decide at any time that all film students are not worthy of life, abnegating even conscience in the pursuit of a new societal norm. read "hitler's willing executioners" if you want to see this principle of the human social condition in action!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2009, 10:37:37 AM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 09:57:54 AM


Prole is arguing that there is no such thing as inherent rights because we can all kill you and take them away.m

yup. who grants these so-called "inherent rights"? people. why can't we kill you and take all your self-assumed property if not for the fact that the mob, as of this very moment in time, is feeling lazy, largely satisfied, and/or generous?

hell, i remember SOMEONE who, just a year or three ago, considered all muslims to largely disposable on account of their conflicting beliefs!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 10:52:41 AM
And what beliefs were that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
you tell me, you were the one all gung-ho for killin' 'em!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 08, 2009, 10:55:57 AM
you tell me, you were the one all gung-ho for killin' 'em!
::)

I was never arguing to kill mass Muslims or some bullshit. I was probably arguing against the fanaticism of rioting over fucking cartoon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2009, 02:10:13 PM
plus there are hotter chicks on that side
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:22:10 PM
Finally a government program that EB can get behind.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/08/fistgate-ii-high-school-students-given-fisting-kits-at-kevin-jennings-2001-glsen-conference/ (http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/08/fistgate-ii-high-school-students-given-fisting-kits-at-kevin-jennings-2001-glsen-conference/)

(http://biggovernment.com/files/2009/12/fistgate.jpg)


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In March 2000 the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) organization of Massachusetts held its 10 Year Anniversary GLSEN/Boston conference at Tufts University. This conference was fully supported by the Massachusetts Department of Education, the Safe Schools Program, the Governor’s Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth, and some of the presenters even received federal money. During the 2000 conference, workshop leaders led a “youth only, ages 14-21″ session that offered lessons in “fisting” a dangerous sexual practice. During another workshop an activist asked 14 year-old students, “Spit or swallow?… Is it rude?” The unbelievable audio clip is posted here. Barack Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar” Kevin Jennings is the founder of GLSEN. He was paid $273,573.96 as its executive director in 2007. Jennings was the keynote speaker at the 2000 GLSEN conference.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 08, 2009, 02:24:02 PM
I thought we got behind all government programs ???

Mostly government is the one behind us.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 08, 2009, 02:27:40 PM
Fisting in the real world, for the most part, is girl on girl.

See, now I wouldn't know that since the Liberal fisting party bus never came to my school.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 08, 2009, 02:29:26 PM
I don't really get the problem though.  I have no idea how the average gay teen's sex life is, but it just seems like this type of information will lead to less hospital visits.  It probably won't be any more graphic than a condom demonstration that we all saw our science teachers do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 08, 2009, 02:35:45 PM
inside the mind of FoC - "but if what prole is saying is true then my entire political sys--LOL LIBERAL FISTING BUS!!!!" :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I thought maybe we could find some common ground on teaching fisting in schools but I guess not. At least you guys continue to amuse me by defending stuff like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2009, 02:48:11 PM
fist gate>>>crash gate>>>>>>tiger gate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 08, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Fistings disgusting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:55:38 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsMud on December 08, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Fistings disgusting

Not if you do it safely. YOu just need the fisting party bus to teach you how to fist appropriately. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on December 08, 2009, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 08, 2009, 02:49:29 PM
Tiger's story hasn't gotten to fisting yet, but it will.

I figured the porn star would have been involved in that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 08, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
If only I knew how to use photoshop.

(http://www.mobileproshop.com/images/Heritage%20Golf%20Shots/Tiger%20Woods%20Celebrating%20Fist%20Pump.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 08, 2009, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I think both you and I agree that politics should be rooted in reality, so there is a common ground.  The problem is that you believe natural rights are real, and most of us haven't yet seen the evidence that you've seen.  So present your evidence.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 08, 2009, 03:14:15 PM
must you mock my quixotic attempts at actual discussion?   :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on December 08, 2009, 03:14:15 PM
must you mock my quixotic attempts at actual discussion?   :maf

You'd get better discussion out of my dog.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2009, 03:36:58 PM
we stopped taking libertarians serious eons ago, and now we just push their hot buttons.

for example, i really do believe that a fetus is a lump of useless chemicals without any numinous "human" characteristics or qualities

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i also think that applies to most human organisms as well :shh
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 08, 2009, 03:36:58 PM
we stopped taking libertarians serious eons ago, and now we just push their hot buttons.

for example, i really do believe that a fetus is a lump of useless chemicals without any numinous "human" characteristics or qualities


See, common ground. I knew we could find it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 08, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Don't wanna short-circut a healthy argument if that's what's happening, but arguing with FoC or JayDubya about inherant rights is just pretty much just arguing about which brand of Pixel Feed to give your Unicorn. Yes you can, but what do you really hope to accomplish?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 08, 2009, 04:18:17 PM
a miraculous surge in self-awareness from the other party.  Isn't that the secret wish underlying all internet politix? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2009, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: Chipopo on December 08, 2009, 03:01:49 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I think both you and I agree that politics should be rooted in reality, so there is a common ground.  The problem is that you believe natural rights are real, and most of us haven't yet seen the evidence that you've seen.  So present your evidence.

Trying in vain to find common ground with distinguished mentally-challenged fellows? Chipopo=Obama confirmed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2009, 06:13:35 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 08, 2009, 03:36:58 PM
we stopped taking libertarians serious eons ago, and now we just push their hot buttons.

for example, i really do believe that a fetus is a lump of useless chemicals without any numinous "human" characteristics or qualities


See, common ground. I knew we could find it.

no, you believe in "rights"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 08, 2009, 04:14:09 PM
Don't wanna short-circut a healthy argument if that's what's happening, but arguing with FoC or JayDubya about inherant rights is just pretty much just arguing about which brand of Pixel Feed to give your Unicorn. Yes you can, but what do you really hope to accomplish?

HOPENCHANGE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 09, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
a merry christmas to foc: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/200911/ayn-rand-dick-books-fountainhead
Title: Reminds me of someone...
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2009, 06:33:44 AM
From a Politico story on gold sellers advertising on right-wing shows:

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But the retailers have nearly saturated some Fox shows, particularly Beck’s ratings juggernaut, which this summer maintained a handful of gold advertisers – including Goldline, Rosland Capital, Superior Gold Group and Merit Financial – even as dozens of other advertisers joined a boycott after Beck called Obama “a racist.”

“I could care less what people think of him,” Merit’s Epstein said of Beck. “We advertise on Fox because it makes the phone ring.”

Though Epstein’s firm has advertised on CNN, he said gold resonates more with Fox’s viewers “because it’s the angry white man audience - it’s the conservative audience. … They are distrustful of the government, of the regime.”

Indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2009, 06:48:32 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 09, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
a merry christmas to foc: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/200911/ayn-rand-dick-books-fountainhead

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None of this matters, right? We're talking about a phase, no different from purple hair and lip rings, right? Well, yes, it's true that in most cases, the fever breaks. That kid stands up, walks outside, and reflects on the 727 pages of Fountainhead and 1,168 of Atlas he's just wolfed down. And realizes: That was nearly 2,000 pages (more, really, given that Rand's loathing of collectivist parasites is matched only by her loathing of paragraph indents) without a single instance of irony or humor. Or subtlety. Or grace. Nearly 2,000 hectoring, brook-no-ambiguity, you're-either-a-lion-or-a-leech pages of breathtaking psychological obtuseness.

ETHER OMG ALL OVER YOUR FACE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 09, 2009, 09:11:49 AM
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But they also tend to be people who—unlike all those semiotics majors who'd written off Rand as Nietzsche in a bra even before they'd graduated—impact our lives in direct ways.

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 09, 2009, 09:49:56 AM
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Atlas Shrugged (re)cracked Amazon's top fifty; early estimates place its 2009 sales at 400,000 copies—about double its 2008 total.

FoC's lucid arguments are having a huge impact. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 09, 2009, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I thought maybe we could find some common ground on teaching fisting in schools but I guess not. At least you guys continue to amuse me by defending stuff like that.

You could have tried responding to my post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2009, 01:32:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 09, 2009, 01:14:52 PM
Quote from: FlameOfCallandor on December 08, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
We're never going to agree on the issue iof natural rights. So to have any kind of discussion you have to find common ground which is gonna happen.

I thought maybe we could find some common ground on teaching fisting in schools but I guess not. At least you guys continue to amuse me by defending stuff like that.

You could have tried responding to my post.

PROOF
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 09, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
nm wrong thread`
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 09, 2009, 02:50:30 PM
Oh God, the founder of Conservapia is the guest on Colbert

Edit: LOL, there's that open-source Conservative Bible they're working on and Colbert is chewing him out for removing the reference that Colbert was Moses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2009, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 09, 2009, 02:50:30 PM
Oh God, the founder of Conservapia is the guest on Colbert

Edit: LOL, there's that open-source Conservative Bible they're working on and Colbert is chewing him out for removing the reference that Colbert was Moses.

That guy was an amazing tool.

"Actually, what Jesus was trying to say was that the filthy poors are the ones that are going to hell!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2009, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 09, 2009, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 09, 2009, 02:50:30 PM
Oh God, the founder of Conservapia is the guest on Colbert

Edit: LOL, there's that open-source Conservative Bible they're working on and Colbert is chewing him out for removing the reference that Colbert was Moses.

That guy was an amazing tool.

"Actually, what Jesus was trying to say was that the filthy poors are the ones that are going to hell!"
I grew up in a christian family. Went to christian school k-6. Today's christians are nothing like what I grew up around. In fact, I was shown plenty of videos showing how the media will try to manipulate you to do "satan's work". I remember it pretty vividly and see it all the time on Fox news. Which leads me to believe that in the past 15 years, at some point, christians were tricked into doing satan's work thinking it was god's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2009, 10:45:09 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/grayson-to-cheney-stfu.php?ref=fpb
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"Well what about Bush Junior?" said Grayson. "I remember Bush Junior kissing Prince Abdullah on the cheek, and then holding his hand for an extended period of time. Maybe if he'd let him get to second base, then gasoline would be a dollar a gallon."

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2009, 11:43:18 PM
Alan Grayson's the same one with the "Die quickly" and "K street whore" quotes, right?

I'm liking this guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 06:20:36 AM
He's like the only Democrat to ever figure out that Americans (not so) secretly like assholes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 11:29:33 AM
The right hates this guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2009, 11:43:43 AM
Because he tells it like it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
He tells it like it is... from a certain point of view. /Obi-Wan

Although humorous, I would appreciate a little bit of subtlety and tact from a politician. This guy might as well send a text alert to Rush Limbaugh when he gets on camera.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 02:31:01 PM
He got pretty damn ridiculous after the initial media attention he received. I doubt telling Cheney to "stfu" is winning him many friends

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
Why would he need republican friends?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 03:10:11 PM
I don't think that appeals to moderates or independents either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2009, 03:10:49 PM
I haven't seen him call any of them out though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 03:24:55 PM
He shoots his mouth off like a senator with nothing to fear. Dude is a congressman and up for re-election next year, and it's pretty obvious dems are going to either get shitcanned or take moderate losses.

Plus I don't like how Chris Matthews plays his enabler then acts shocked when he says something dumb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on December 10, 2009, 03:30:09 PM
Unabashedly sticking it up Dick Cheney's ass is a fine way to win support from anyone who isn't a total fucktard.  I'd call that a good strategy if we weren't talking about Florida here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 03:45:27 PM
I'm not saying he's not within his rights to criticize Dick Cheney, but dragging crude Internet acronyms on-air is a pretty stupid way to do so. It comes off as immature to anyone that's not rank and file.

For instance - our President was always capable of slinging mud at his opponents' direction during his campaign without looking like an obnoxious tween.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
In short, me and Willco have changed targets from Franken to Grayson  :gun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
Franken has been smart, and opted not to become a visible target in the Senate. I can't really hate on a Senator whose only real controversy is to support a bill that enhances a woman's legal rights after being gang raped by her employers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 03:50:51 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2009, 04:04:19 PM
To be fair, Willco, there is no PC way of telling someone to shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:10:03 PM
"I don't really think Cheney, considering his dubious track record as Vice President and unfavorability amongst moderate and liberal Americans, should really be speaking out against anybody - let alone the President."

There you go. I got the same point across, without sounding like a tween. Someone pay me an absurd amount per hour, and I'll type this stuff on the regular for Grayson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2009, 04:11:19 PM
Yeah, but you can't be anymore concise than a good old fashioned stfu.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:14:32 PM
I personally don't see the problem with it, but I would have taken a different route and said something like "Given how many times private citizen Cheney has been spectacularly wrong about national security matters I'm a little surprised that the press feels the need to enable him and give him an outlet for his dangerous views.  Do you guys also go to Bernie Madoff for his views on the economy?"  Of course then the press would beat each other bloodless to be the first to take down Grayson, cause you don't question the gatekeepers in the fourth estate, no sir!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:14:42 PM
It's blunt to be sure, but politics is not a bar fight.

I have no idea whether or not his remarks have any bearing on his reelection, because I'm sure a Republican will have to pry his seat from his cold dead hands, but in terms of reception from the rest of the America - Internet acronyms do him no favors.

When other anchors on MSNBC are talking about his remarks, made on their own network, in a somewhat negative light... it's not a good light.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
No one gives a shit about that, Federwang.  Don't catch Maurice disease here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:15:58 PM
I really didn't expect you to have a problem with someone telling Dick Cheny to shut the fuck up, Triumph. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 10, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
No one gives a shit about that, Federwang.  Don't catch Maurice disease here.

Want to bet? I'm sure there's going to be a dumb poll on his remarks sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:17:57 PM
The media's obsession with Cheney just honestly baffles me.  Can anyone point to anything the fucker got right, EVER?  Then why the fuck to they keep going back to him... oh yeah, they have to be "objective" and represent "both sides of the issue" even if one side is actual reality and the other side is batshit insanity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:19:46 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 10, 2009, 04:15:39 PM
No one gives a shit about that, Federwang.  Don't catch Maurice disease here.

Want to bet? I'm sure there's going to be a dumb poll on his remarks sooner rather than later.

I'm saying, that's a dumb story that will move news cycles but have no repercussions.  If he loses his seat it won't be because he told Dick Cheney to stfu on MSNBC, which no Republicans watch anyway.  He'll lose because the economy is still in the shitter, no one can get a job and our President is trying to run the country like he ran the Harvard Law Review instead of growing some balls and telling stupid people to fuck off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
I'm not talking about Cheney. I don't think anyone outside of the hard right actually cares about what he says. I think if left to his own devices, he would just be interpreted as a loud, obnoxious conservative tool.

Grayson, more or less, empowers him with stupid talk like this. Because I can tell you that regardless of their feelings on Dick Cheney, my folks will view any politicians that use crude Internet acronyms as pretty childish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:22:18 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
I'm not talking about Cheney. I don't think anyone outside of the hard right actually cares about what he says. I think if left to his own devices, he would just be interpreted as a loud, obnoxious conservative tool.

Grayson, more or less, empowers him with stupid talk like this. Because I can tell you that regardless of their feelings on Dick Cheney, my folks will view any politicians that use crude Internet acronyms as pretty childish.

Your mom isn't going to vote for a Democrat and would forgive a Republican because God, Jesus and the Bible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:23:37 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 10, 2009, 04:19:46 PM
He'll lose because the economy is still in the shitter, no one can get a job and our President is trying to run the country like he ran the Harvard Law Review instead of growing some balls and telling stupid people to fuck off.

I already said I have no idea if it will have any bearing on his reelection, and that I doubt it will. I stated that it will likely hurt his national image, and by extension, slaps the Democrats with another liberal talking point for conservatives to drag out on air.

My mom did vote Democrat last election, despite her conservative values. And my father is borderline communist. He is a big Marxist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:27:02 PM
Your mother voted for the schvartze?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:30:40 PM
And I think you need to ask, "What did Grayson gain from this?"

Nothing.

That comment only appeals to a younger and/or liberal demographic that would find nothing short than allowing a few Gitmo detainees to fist Cheney live on national television as a satisfying punishment for enduring years of his tumultuous rule in the White House. In short, those folks have already decided that if Cheney was on fire, they would not piss on him to put him out.

It comes off as borderline inappropiate to everyone else, and offensive to the right. So instead of appropiately criticizing Cheney in a relatively civil manner, he decides to incite the right. Why? What benefit does this type of rhetoric have, other than making the country more divisive?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 10, 2009, 04:17:57 PM
The media's obsession with Cheney just honestly baffles me.  Can anyone point to anything the fucker got right, EVER?  Then why the fuck to they keep going back to him... oh yeah, they have to be "objective" and represent "both sides of the issue" even if one side is actual reality and the other side is batshit insanity.

Agreed. Same with McCain running around scaremongering about medicare while the media conveniently ignores the fact that he proposed much larger cuts. smh

To be fair though, maybe we shouldn't complain that Cheney and McCain are now the spokesman for the republican party :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
...because Dick Cheney needs to stfu?  DC is a town where everyone is concerned about propriety and no one cares about decency... it's what allowed those idiots to ruin everything for 8 years because if you tell the truth about them you must be a dirty fucking hippie and aren't a Very Serious Person.  Meanwhile, if your dad is an unjailed war criminal and your first name is Liz you get to go on Meet the Press to continue lying and undermining the country.  It's past time someone told these assholes to stfu.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
GOPers concerned about the growing Junpei menace
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Standing in front of the Supreme Court this morning, a group of Republican lawmakers railed against the court system run out of the building behind them. A sign affixed to the plexiglas podium each spoke at in turn spelled out the reasons for their fears. "Protect our homeland," it read. "Keep terrorists out of America."

The justice system laid out in the Constitution, they said, is just too weak to protect American citizens from wiley terror suspects. From "activist judges" to courtroom sketch artists, the group reeled off a list of reasons the Obama administration decision to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to the U.S. for trial could quite possibly end in, as Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) suggested, a nuclear attack on the United States.

The group of conservative lawmakers have been arguing against bringing the Gitmo suspects to the U.S. ever since the decision was announced. They suggest, as do most Republicans and some Democrats, that the best way to try terror suspects is through military tribunals on the Guantanamo Bay base itself. Today, they repeated that argument. But they added new focus to their claim that the Constitution and bringing terrorists to justice can't mix.

Gitmo is "the best place to have [trials], it's the best place to house them. It's the safest place," Rep. Steve King (R-IA) told reporters. "More importantly, it's the place that keeps activist federal judges from making activist decisions that could end up turning [terror suspects] loose on the streets of America."

After the press conference, King elaborated on his worries about U.S. judges. "We wouldn't even be thinking about trying these detainees on U.S. soil if it hadn't been for activist judges who decided they were going to confer constitutional rights on people that have never seen the United States of America," he said, referring to the 2006 Hamdan v. Rumsfeld Supreme Court decision that said military commissions as set up by the Bush administration violated the Geneva conventions.

King suggested that "activist" judges could be inclined to release terror suspects over some liberal legal principle or another. "A judge can rationalize most anything," he said. "If you're a living, breathing -- how should I say it? -- 'evolving' constitutionalist than you can write anything you want to justify your own rationale."

Rep. Sue Myrick (R-NC) was troubled by what might happen when waterboarding and the American right to a fair trial met in a U.S. courtroom. She worried what might happen if terror suspects argued they'd been given "cruel and unusual" punishment at Gitmo.

"This is what scares me because they're in a U.S. court now and the rights are different," she said. "What will they say [about their detention] and what could happen and could they be out among the people again? It's very frightening."

How frightening? Mushroom cloud frightening, according to Franks. He said that a federal trial would give the suspects "a megaphone to speak to the planet," which he said "only hastens the danger" of, literally, a nuclear terrorist attack.

When a reporter pointed out that federal trials aren't televised, perhaps making the "megaphone" a little less likely, Republicans said there were other ways for terror suspects to peddle their propoganda from a U.S. courtroom -- for example, sketch artists.

"What we've seen happen is artists draw pictures and this will be written up and there will be defense attorneys taking the global stage," King said. "We are in an electronic era where they Internet and all these other media that we have will create a real time look at what's going on in New York."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/american-justice-system-too-weak-for-terrorists-gopers-say.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:42:08 PM
I think you're mixing a lot of personal feelings into a statement I really don't understand, but I think you're trying to make the political version of, "What goes around comes around!" ... no?

Again, I would point to the fact that nobody really cares what Cheney says. Middle America is not rallying behind his remarks, or anyone really. Outside of Fox News' core viewership, he is more or less seen as the captain of the ship that ran the country into the ground.

To think that the majority of Americans take his remarks seriously, after leaving this country in shambles, is kind of a left wing conspiracy theory. Media coverage does not necessarily translate into support.

Instead of being viewed as that old guy blubbering about nonsense every other day, Grayson propels Cheney's words front and center by inciting the right. It's stupid.

He gains nothing. The left feel the same way about him, the right feel the same way about and folks that didn't know him (moderates and independents) will now know him as "that guy that talks like my teenage daughter".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:45:57 PM
According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday, 40 percent of people questioned say the U.S. would be better off if Democrats ran Congress while 39 percent feel things would be better if Republicans took charge on Capitol Hill. The 1-point margin is a statistical tie.

Support for Democrats is down from a 10-point advantage in August and a 25-point margin in January.

... Maybe someone at the DNC needs to tell Grayson to STFU.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 04:51:57 PM
And one more point, I always felt the media coverage of Cheney's continual criticism to be more or less the mainstream's way of saying, "... can you believe this fucking guy?"

I think the fascination has less to do with approval and more to do with the audacity of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 04:45:57 PM
According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday, 40 percent of people questioned say the U.S. would be better off if Democrats ran Congress while 39 percent feel things would be better if Republicans took charge on Capitol Hill. The 1-point margin is a statistical tie.

Support for Democrats is down from a 10-point advantage in August and a 25-point margin in January.

... Maybe someone at the DNC needs to tell Grayson to STFU.

Again, I think you're completely off base here.  If the media wasn't busy slurping tea partiers dicks and showing people freaking out on the tv all the time, and if the democrats weren't pussies those numbers would be better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 05:01:48 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with media coverage of the Tea Party movement (or Cheney for that matter), but do I agree with your assessment that the Democrats' lack of political backbone is a huge contributor.

But let's not confuse political backbone with crude remarks, or to be more concise, language most of us use as a joke on this very forum.

And if evilbore is to be the political thesaurus for the Democrats, then yeah, they're in trouble.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2009, 05:15:46 PM
Democrats control government at a time of high unenployment and worrying economic news. They're on the front lines so of course they take the hit; the Other Guy always sounds appealing when times are bad.

The economy is improving but regular people don't feel it. Right now businesses aren't hiring, but they're laying off less people as compared to just last month. Once people feel it, they'll chill out. And once people feel the health care bill (lower prescription pill costs, medicare at 55) they'll chill out even more. The question is when will people feel the economy is getting better.

Grayson's antics don't help, and I doubt they help him in his district. He'll get tons of money to campaign but that's it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 05:01:48 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with media coverage of the Tea Party movement (or Cheney for that matter), but do I agree with your assessment that the Democrats' lack of political backbone is a huge contributor.

But let's not confuse political backbone with crude remarks, or to be more concise, language most of us use as a joke on this very forum.

And if evilbore is to be the political thesaurus for the Democrats, then yeah, they're in trouble.

Dude, whatever.  Americans like assholes, end of story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 05:56:11 PM
wtf, federman? i want to see MORE trash talking by the left, not less. fucking effete "moderates". more taibbi, more grayson, more franken: i want Republicans HUMILIATED to the point that "conservative" becomes a bad word. it worked for the right and "liberals" -- now let's show them how the REAL assholes take down the opposition. i want to hear more butthurt teabagger squeals, not less!



eh eh eh eh bu bu bu bu bu we need to act better than that *wrists flapping, mincing*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:30:32 PM
also alan grayson is my fuckin hero, and i wish he'd get even meaner and harsher

politics is not a civilized business, figgurts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:35:20 PM
still doesn't diminish my approval for his choice of words, although i wish he was even crueler in his assessment

common sense is now an elitist value!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:35:55 PM
What's this? Liberals craving schadenfreude?

Call me when that helps your caucus.

Reality time, friends - while Grayson running around the Hill talking like a wrestler on WWE Smackdown might tickle your political fancy after eight years under the oppressive Bush regime, it does little to appeal to moderates (i.e. me).

Again, do not confuse political backbone with potty talk; liberals did the word "liberal" a disservice, not the right. Republicans just made them out to be the push overs they actually are. Americans are unhappy with Democrats because they voted the party into power to change policy, and all they've done is compromise and beat around the bush (oh the possibilities of that pun). Not because Republicans have turned the word "liberal" into a dirty word.

But - hey - if your party is about to get a swift kick in the pants next election, and has failed to do anything of significance since attaining majority control of Congress, I guess all you have to look forward to is political trash talking.

p.s. Prole, I don't think anyone cares about what color commentators say, but elected officials are expected to display some degree of political decorum. Even Franken had the brains to realize this when he took office.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:37:53 PM
we don't want to appeal to moderates if moderates are fuckin' pussies!

and no, officials are NOT expected to display decorum. otherwise, explain sarah palin, or really, ANY recent right-wing political phenomenon! only swishy libtards and little girl moderates expect civilized discourse, even though this country has NEVER EVER had a history of civilized political discourse!

shame needs to be applied to america, and liberally. bring on the elitists!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:40:11 PM
Sarah Palin, who is no longer an elected official and is pretty much a punch line in political circles? Has there been any crazed, wide-mouthed conservative official that has been able to do anything but appeal to only his or her own base?

It's not like as if the Bachmann's and Palin's of the world are taking America by storm.

EDIT: I do not expect all political discourse to be civil, which is why I stress "some degree" and not "complete and total".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
And one more note, moderates don't want to align with liberals if they are pussies. The way to demonstrate you can get things done is to get things done, not go on Hardball and spout Internet acronyms.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:42:41 PM
so, they should pander to arch, effete moderates like they are doing, who continue to apparently elect the current spineless, useless set of political toolboxes? which way do you want it?

you don't think palin would get re-elected as senator or governor of alaska? i bet she'd take it inna landslide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
I doubt it. She was pretty unpopular on her way out; her approval ratings tanked. And with all her incompetency catching up with her, it was only a matter of time until a legitimate scandal broke.

... I expect liberals to do what they were voted into office to do, Prole. America voted behind a platform of change, and Obama and the Democrats have delivered, uh, a Nobel prize?

We're now further entrenched in Afghanistan, the economy is still in the dumps, the banks robbed us blind (and Obama and the Democrats are more than happy to let them do so), nobody has any health care, etc.

The biggest travesty is the complete lack of regulation of the markets, and the fact that there still really is none! Where's the accountability for TARP funds? Why has nobody explained why we let the banks rob us blind? Etc.

Americans, by and large, like firm leadership - even when they don't necessarily agree with it. This short-lived Democratic era can only be defined by futility and compromise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:47:08 PM
you're the one acting all affronted by grayson's behavior, not me! fuck, i'm only sad that this is merely an irregular occurrence, and not a way of life for him. "oh oh oh oh oh" gasps the college intellectual in a grand mal of faux-pragmatism "doesn't he know that he is HURTING HIS CHANCES when he speaks something resembling the truth? i don't care about the message, i caaaaare about his electability! oh oh oh how considerate and realistic am i? ah ah ah ah i am menstruating, and right when i seem to have a case of the vapours!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 06:46:12 PM
I doubt it. She was pretty unpopular on her way out; her approval ratings tanked. And with all her incompetency catching up with her, it was only a matter of time until a legitimate scandal broke.

... I expect liberals to do what they were voted into office to do, Prole. America voted behind a platform of change, and Obama and the Democrats have delivered, uh, a Nobel prize?

We're now further entrenched in Afghanistan, the economy is still in the dumps, the banks robbed us blind (and Obama and the Democrats are more than happy to let them do so), nobody has any health care, etc.

The biggest travesty is the complete lack of regulation of the markets, and the fact that there still really is none! Where's the accountability for TARP funds? Why has nobody explained why we let the banks rob us blind? Etc.

Americans, by and large, like firm leadership - even when they don't necessarily agree with it. This short-lived Democratic era can only be defined by futility and compromise.

you'd hafta vote actual liberals into office for that to happen! instead, you elected moderates, moderate, and that's because you let conservatives control the dialogue! HEAVEN FORFEND CONSERVATIVES CONSIDER ME A LIBERAL BY THEIR EXTREME DEFINITION, I MUST SPEAK IN A CONCILIATORY QUASI-CIVILIZED MANNER LEST THEY CALL ME A LIBFAG AND THREATEN TO KILL ME, OH NO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:48:54 PM
 :lol

Here's where this whole, "I think he should do it more!" argument falls apart: what did he gain from doing that, Prole? Your respect? Were you going to vote for Cheney next election anyway? No? Then...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:49:20 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 10, 2009, 06:48:13 PM
you'd hafta vote actual liberals into office for that to happen! instead, you elected moderates, moderate!

Fair point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 06:49:46 PM
Yet the alternative to the milquetoast democrats are the insane republicans.  If what you're saying is true (America is frustrated with the democrats for... not governing to the LEFT enough) then you'd be seeing a splinter group on the left showing promise and moderates in the democratic party getting driven out.  Which is totally not the case- the country has had a hissy fit because OMG SPENDING AND BLACK PRESIDENT AND GLENN BECK TOLD ME THAT THERE ARE FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:52:16 PM
The country is upset because it's poor and they see a government that has done nothing but spend money. And no tangible results. The argument that Americans are upset because Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan is the Glenn Beck contingent and they represent a vocal minority. That is not why Democrats are polling down.

If health care was done and people had jobs and the government held Wall Street accountable, all things the Democrats could have done by now, they'd be the most popular party since Mario Party (because a Mario Party don't stop).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 06:48:54 PM
:lol

Here's where this whole, "I think he should do it more!" argument falls apart: what did he gain from doing that, Prole? Your respect? Were you going to vote for Cheney next election anyway? No? Then...

he needs to do it MORE and so do other folks of a liberal persusion until folks think twice about spewing conservative stupidity into public discourse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 06:59:07 PM
You act as if that kind of discourse will humiliate them outside of the liberal contingent. Conservatives sullied liberals not with Internet acronyms or potty talk, but just outright lies and deflection. Which is a lot more acceptable to uninformed Americana than "stfu dick cheney".

Tell me a civil lie, and I likely will believe it a lot more than theatrics from a fringe contingent (Tea Party included).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 07:00:34 PM
And I would stress neither lies and deflection or political trash talk is necessary if Democrats could just find a spine and get things done. Actions speak louder than words, especially in this country. The problem is that it seems like all politicians have are words nowadays.

So yes, if your goal is four more years of Democratic futility, then perhaps the party should gravitate towards political grand standing and potty talk. That way they can continue to do nothing, which is totally pointless, but is perhaps better than tearing down the country altogether.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 10, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 10, 2009, 06:37:53 PM
we don't want to appeal to moderates if moderates are fuckin' pussies!

Eh...in all honesty this sorta sounds like teabagger talk, but from the other side.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and not in the good way  :-*
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 10, 2009, 08:21:05 PM
I know you didn't address this towards me but whatevs:

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The question isn't whether or not its depressing but whether or not it's true.
 

Society makes the rules.  Placing our heads in the sand about that fact only allows the bad guys to use it to their advantage.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 09:35:08 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 10, 2009, 08:09:56 PM
Prole and Mandark, as much as you may disagree with Objectivism, do you really want to make the assertion that people should have no rights except what society chooses to give them (and that these rights can be taken away at any time)? It seems to me that following this logic, one could say that the Holocaust was justified by the anti-Semitic nature of German society at the time. After all, who is to say that a minority group has the inalienable right to live? Even if we back away from such an extreme, one could certainly justify all sorts of discrimination or even wholesale apartheid if we take the position that humans have no rights except what society decides.

it wasn't merely justified by the society at the time, they actually went ahead with it! i shan't justify it, but i am also not living in weimar germany. neither am i going going to pretend i'm an island and free from the norms and modes of the culture and society i participate in, even now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 09:44:24 PM
Wait, we were seriously arguing that something decides rights other than mob rule?

Please tell me someone said God.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 10, 2009, 09:54:08 PM
Now you're trolling!

Just because you feel something should be a right, doesn't necessarily make it so. If that's the case, we could take random women by force and have our way with them. I mean, that's what we're genetically predisposed to do, is it not? That should be a right!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2009, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 10, 2009, 09:54:08 PM
Now you're trolling!

Just because you feel something should be a right, doesn't necessarily make it so. If that's the case, we could take random women by force and have our way with them. I mean, that's what we're genetically predisposed to do, is it not? That should be a right!

(http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/image/article/102/1023147/braveheart-sapphire-series-20090909040451986-000.jpg)

"I like the cut of your jib, sir."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 10, 2009, 11:09:21 PM
objectively? of course not. subjectively? fuck, yes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 11, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout/print

Quote from: Matt Taibbi
What's taken place in the year since Obama won the presidency has turned out to be one of the most dramatic political about-faces in our history. Elected in the midst of a crushing economic crisis brought on by a decade of orgiastic deregulation and unchecked greed, Obama had a clear mandate to rein in Wall Street and remake the entire structure of the American economy. What he did instead was ship even his most marginally progressive campaign advisers off to various bureaucratic Siberias, while packing the key economic positions in his White House with the very people who caused the crisis in the first place. This new team of bubble-fattened ex-bankers and laissez-faire intellectuals then proceeded to sell us all out, instituting a massive, trickle-up bailout and systematically gutting regulatory reform from the inside.

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 11, 2009, 09:29:23 AM
The guy has to say something scandalous to sell mags.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 11, 2009, 09:48:35 AM
Quote from: Taibbi
What we do know is that Barack Obama pulled a bait-and-switch on us. If it were any other politician, we wouldn't be surprised. Maybe it's our fault, for thinking he was different.

True.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 11, 2009, 03:13:19 PM
Yeah, I'm not really down with Prole's facile expressions of subjectivism in this thread.  Actually over however many weeks or months this has been going on I've started on a few posts explaining why, but I keep discovering I'm not ready for a philosophical argument right now, so you'll have to make do with this bare assertion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 11, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
By the way, re the Esquire article, for some reason even though I kind of liked The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged when I read them as a teenager, I never personally identified with the heroes.  In fact I sort of identified with the losers and took it as a personal attack on me, even though at that time I was going to college at a young age so I had quasi-objective grounds to think of myself as a world-striding genius if I wanted.  But I've always thought of myself as a loser.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 11, 2009, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 11, 2009, 03:13:19 PM
Yeah, I'm not really down with Prole's facile expressions of subjectivism in this thread.  Actually over however many weeks or months this has been going on I've started on a few posts explaining why, but I keep discovering I'm not ready for a philosophical argument right now, so you'll have to make do with this bare assertion.

so you just want the acknowledgment for disagreeing with me without the work? typical lazy college intellectual!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 11, 2009, 03:42:10 PM
But I appear to have got it, so I'm off to pawn your acknowledgment for drug and Cadillac money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 11, 2009, 05:46:31 PM
Michael Steele & The RNC Interns

(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns2.jpg)

(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns3.jpg)

(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns7.jpg)

(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 11, 2009, 05:49:57 PM
Is he really black? Really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 11, 2009, 07:27:31 PM
A soon as Obama is out of office, Steele is out of a job too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on December 11, 2009, 09:13:42 PM
Then it's a good thing he has a few other skills, like killing white people:


(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns13.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
god, all of those interns look like your standard southern frat boy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 11, 2009, 10:15:35 PM
Michael Steele is like that dad that makes their children uncomfortable because he tries to act "cool".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on December 11, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout/print

Quote from: Matt Taibbi
What's taken place in the year since Obama won the presidency has turned out to be one of the most dramatic political about-faces in our history. Elected in the midst of a crushing economic crisis brought on by a decade of orgiastic deregulation and unchecked greed, Obama had a clear mandate to rein in Wall Street and remake the entire structure of the American economy. What he did instead was ship even his most marginally progressive campaign advisers off to various bureaucratic Siberias, while packing the key economic positions in his White House with the very people who caused the crisis in the first place. This new team of bubble-fattened ex-bankers and laissez-faire intellectuals then proceeded to sell us all out, instituting a massive, trickle-up bailout and systematically gutting regulatory reform from the inside.

 :-\

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=12&year=2009&base_name=oh_matt_taibbi

annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on December 11, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
I love the crazed look on Steele's face in that headlock picture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 11, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
still convinced that Michael Steele is the RNC's playful homage to Steve Carell's Michael Scott.  Perhaps as a way to remind people that Republican's have a history of supporting mid-range businesses.       
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Robo on December 12, 2009, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 11, 2009, 10:13:37 PM
god, all of those interns look like your standard southern frat boy

It's all in the haircut and tie selection, I think.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2009, 01:02:59 AM
That's an impossibility at this point. You would destroy the only real labor market that now exists within the United States. Our economy and our workforce is now based on the financial sector and all of its products.

Also, I think that would be an unwise move. The real reform needs to be tighter regulations, transparency and accountability. I don't care if banks are trading derivatives, I just want to know to who and where and how much.

It's funny, because the solutions exist. We know what to do. We just choose not to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 03:33:07 AM
50 best protest signs of 2009 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-50-best-protest-signs-of-2009)


edit:  #50 especially for Ghengis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2009, 03:40:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on December 11, 2009, 09:23:20 AM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout/print

Quote from: Matt Taibbi
What's taken place in the year since Obama won the presidency has turned out to be one of the most dramatic political about-faces in our history. Elected in the midst of a crushing economic crisis brought on by a decade of orgiastic deregulation and unchecked greed, Obama had a clear mandate to rein in Wall Street and remake the entire structure of the American economy. What he did instead was ship even his most marginally progressive campaign advisers off to various bureaucratic Siberias, while packing the key economic positions in his White House with the very people who caused the crisis in the first place. This new team of bubble-fattened ex-bankers and laissez-faire intellectuals then proceeded to sell us all out, instituting a massive, trickle-up bailout and systematically gutting regulatory reform from the inside.

 :-\

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=12&year=2009&base_name=oh_matt_taibbi

annihilated

not really; only the first criticism is legitimate, and the rest is sort of half-assed disapproving agreement. also, please shut up about how mean matt is, pussies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 04:34:13 AM
It's not that he's mean, it's that he's dumb.

Well, that or dishonest.  He tries to sell Austen Goolsbee as a firebreathing populist, based on one quote.  This is the same Austen Goolsbee that came out of Milton Friedman's University of Chicago, who published for Bob Rubin's Hamilton Project, and who was sympathetically profiled (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302003.html) by George F. Will.  If Goolsbee had landed a cabinet-level job, Taibbi would have rattled off those factoids, then wiggled his fingers in the air and made ghost noises.
Title: Mine is the only path to salvation
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 05:32:55 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 05:19:18 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 10, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
However, do you believe that there is any such thing as right and wrong? Was the Holocaust objectively wrong?

Yes, absolutely.

Natural rights are the basis by which you can even call such a thing "wrong" without it being nothing more than a meaningless opinion, and one that should carry no force, whether alone or in tandem with others.  Certainly, the quantity of people holding an opinion does not make it true.

But since you brought it up, no, if genocide is made legal within your jurisdiction, then no, outside of the bounds of unalienable rights, there is nothing "wrong" with genocide, no valid or meaningful criticism to be had - your society has deemed your subgroup's presumed right to life null and void, have a nice day.

Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 10:52:22 PM
I'm getting flashbacks to my first college roommate, who asked me how I couldn't believe in God, cause then there would be no basis for ethics or morality whatsoever.

It's like he was scared to believe that humans created their own rules of behavior and interaction.  He had to believe that it came from some transcendent, authoritative source.


I'm like so prescient and shit.

I'm awarding myself 10 points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 05:46:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 12, 2009, 06:02:24 AM
These Steele pics are great, I'm coming around on this guy.  Maybe he's not so terrible after all.

Note the raised leg.
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns8.jpg)

play-aya
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns5.jpg)

play-aya digs his cracker ladies
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns9.jpg)
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns12.jpg)

now that's either a very ugly young man, or a kid with downs' (at which point, jokes about political affiliation stop being funny)
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns17.jpg)

this feels like a freeze-frame of a 80's sitcom intro.  Call it, "Elephants Never Forget", or "Steele'in Away", where a wacky minority shakes up a bunch of stodgy, whitey folks and lessons are learned and ties are loosened.
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-steeleinterns10.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 06:03:43 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society,

Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 05:50:46 AM
I believe they do.

Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
please prove it.
Title: Who says it's hard to draw a perfect circle?
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 06:43:38 AM
So natural rights are important, because otherwise morals and ethics are just a bunch of opinions, which are worthless.

And natural rights exist because it's your opinion that they do.

Hm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2009, 07:53:33 AM
I'm also pretty sure that unicorns exist because I want them to, Jaydubya.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2009, 08:03:10 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2009, 03:33:07 AM
50 best protest signs of 2009 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-50-best-protest-signs-of-2009)


edit:  #50 especially for Ghengis

:lol :lol :lol @ those, especially

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31904-1259876263-22.jpg)

Oh hey look, it's Maurice

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31916-1259876202-31.jpg)

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31902-1259875866-16.jpg)

Fucking hipsters

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31886-1259875796-21.jpg)

This guy is awesome.

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31902-1259875781-14.jpg)

Oh white people, I promise it's gonna be ok.  We're even gonna spend more money on education, so shit like this doesn't have to happen:

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31899-1259875727-15.jpg)

But the gay marriage ones are the awesomest.

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31891-1259875392-18.jpg)

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31902-1259875362-10.jpg)

This sign is obviously being carried by a member of the 'bore:

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31917-1259875406-18.jpg)

Finally, a special mention to this confused fellow who has either taken offense to Willco or squeezed oranges:

(http://s.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2009/12/3/16/enhanced-buzz-31913-1259875280-19.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 12, 2009, 08:36:20 AM

For my part, I hold to Triumph's statement about unicorns from The Official Topic of Obama that they are "self-evident truths," and I simply say I support the notion.  Which I said, and have said before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2009, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
No, they exist because they do.

:lol

They exist because they just do! Case closed!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 12, 2009, 09:45:22 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
No, they exist because they do.

:lol

They exist because they just do! Case closed!

It's kind of like a Christian saying "because God, Jesus and the Bible!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 12, 2009, 10:13:23 AM
I got to give credit to Mandark, because he stuck with his schtick the entire way through. I really didn't think he'd be able to pull JayDubya into typing something like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2009, 10:22:30 AM
Term limits for unicorns!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 12, 2009, 11:45:17 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 06:26:19 AM
If you're just going to keep quoting yourself whilst ignoring anything I say, we're done with this.

For my part, I hold to Jefferson's statement about natural rights from the Declaration of Independence, that they are "self-evident truths," and I simply say I support the notion.  Which I said, and have said before.  That's not a serviceable "proof," so we move on to question two.


Uh, no, we don't move to question two.  We only move to question two if you DON'T believe that natural rights objectively exist, which you just stated you do.

Can't follow simple instructions, smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2009, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
No, they exist because they do.

And then you asked to demonstrate why it's important that they exist, or at least why we proceed as such.

so you ARE religious!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2009, 06:54:56 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
No, they exist because they do.

How can you ever maintain the pretense of rational discussion after saying something like this?  You can't.  Everything you say on the internet from this point forward is tribal nonsense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2009, 06:56:36 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 12, 2009, 07:53:33 AM
I'm also pretty sure that unicorns exist because I want them to, Jaydubya.

But they don't.  Furthermore, to the second line, there's no benefit to proceeding as though they do.

I've never seen a natural right.  Nor a unicorn.  There you go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2009, 07:07:57 PM
The basis of your argumentation is that society has granted you the right to argue.  It would be one thing if you were just some Burke-ian traditionalist who believed in the importance of American conventions and recognized them for what they were...But no, you are actually a bonified crazy person!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2009, 08:34:25 PM
Needing validation from some imagined transcendent authority is your crazy-person prerequisite, not ours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2009, 08:39:47 PM
By natural right, do you mean something that SHOULD end up making for an ideal society (ie: free speech).  Or do you mean something that is actually hardwired into all of us that we all feel a completely unconscious need to strive for (ie: making babies)?

If it's the first one, then obviously people have different opinions on it that they form by logically taking in different subjective and anecdotal factors on human behavior.  Behavior that varies depending on survival needs and parental input and whatnot.  You can't just assume that you have all the factors necessary for making a perfect philosophy that will work the best for everyone, unless you are an extremely devout, religious person.  Which is the majority of the world and so the fact that you think the majority of the world uses the same logic that you do, could be what makes you think that certain rights just are supposed to be.

I don't know.  I guess the most important question now is how you first learned that natural rights exist.  If somebody was going to do an action that you've never heard of and never imagined before, by what objective standard could you decide if it is right or wrong beforehand?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2009, 10:10:11 PM
how's that work? being sentient magically keeps people from killing you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 12, 2009, 10:19:07 PM
hence, we make laws to embody popular social contracts. it doesn't mean those "rights" exist beyond a society in its given time, place, and context. your belief that folks have a right to live is a product of your participation and indoctrination in the society you live in. if you were born in borneo in the 1500s, you'd be killing babies and women and the infirm along with the best of 'em, and you wouldn't feel even a whit of guilt, because, to you, it'd be the right thing to do.

cultural relativism sucks, but wotcha gonna do?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2009, 02:57:59 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 12, 2009, 07:53:33 AM
I'm also pretty sure that unicorns exist because I want them to, Jaydubya.

But they don't.  Furthermore, to the second line, there's no benefit to proceeding as though they do.

THE SECOND LINE IS ONLY RELEVANT IF YOU BELIEVE NATURAL RIGHTS "DON'T" EXIST OBJECTIVELY OUTSIDE THE CONVENTIONS OF....

oh, fuck it, I'll just join in the laugh-fest at this:

Quote from: JayDubya on December 12, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
No, they exist because they do.



 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2009, 03:27:46 AM
Boogie:  I know, right?

I was gonna try to explain it (and maybe the concept of conditional sentences) but then he posted the "exist because they do" line, and I figured it would have a bigger comic effect if I let it sit there and marinate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2009, 05:14:52 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 13, 2009, 05:12:09 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 12, 2009, 10:05:42 PM
I don't know, I think there's a pretty good case to be made for the idea that sentience grants you the right to not be killed, not be enslaved and to basically pursue your own goals as long as they don't fuck with other people's shit.

Fucking bingo?

If it's that simple, why didn't you explain it like that, rather than make yourself look like some embarrassing caricature?  :smug

Quote from: JayDubya on December 13, 2009, 05:12:09 AM


Alternatively, hey look, a sane person that doesn't believe so hard in mob rule politics that they think ethics should be run the same way.

lolz, GS as a sane person on this forum.  :lol

(I actually have an inclination to give you a respectful and earnest reply on the current topic, but this is just too fun/easy right now :P.  And it's 5 am here and I should be in my fucking bed)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2009, 05:44:10 AM
"I could put forth a brilliant argument for my case, but now isn't the time.  Rather, I'm going to make myself look like a doofus, then get mad at people for letting me do it."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2009, 05:54:17 AM
Once again, dude, you're the one who's asserting a set of metaphysical certainties.  If you can't understand how that saddles you with the burden of proof, I don't think I can explain it to you.

I mean, shit.  None of the Christians who ever proselytized to me had the chutzpah to say "God exists cause he does" then complain that I wasn't contributing to my own conversion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 13, 2009, 11:25:30 AM
That's because Mandark is logical.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on December 13, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
Quote
They exist because they do.

add this to the news cycle, this is better than yaere is th
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2009, 12:59:44 PM
Quote from: Crushed on December 13, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
Quote
They exist because they do.

add this to the news cycle, this is better than yaere is th

yes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2009, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: Crushed on December 13, 2009, 12:51:06 PM
Quote
They exist because they do.

add this to the news cycle, this is better than yaere is th

MAKE IT HAPPEN

ALSO LEPER WILLCO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 13, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
http://consc.net/misc/proofs.html

Proofs that p

Davidson's proof that p:
Let us make the following bold conjecture: p

Wallace's proof that p:
Davidson has made the following bold conjecture: p

Grunbaum:
As I have asserted again and again in previous publications, p.

Putnam:
Some philosophers have argued that not-p, on the grounds that q. It would be an interesting exercise to count all the fallacies in this "argument". (It's really awful, isn't it?) Therefore p.

Rawls:
It would be nice to have a deductive argument that p from self- evident premises. Unfortunately I am unable to provide one. So I will have to rest content with the following intuitive considerations in its support: p.

Unger:
Suppose it were the case that not-p. It would follow from this that someone knows that q. But on my view, no one knows anything whatsoever. Therefore p. (Unger believes that the louder you say this argument, the more persuasive it becomes).

Katz:
I have seventeen arguments for the claim that p, and I know of only four for the claim that not-p. Therefore p.
...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 13, 2009, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 13, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
http://consc.net/misc/proofs.html


 :lol


Plato:

    SOCRATES: Is it not true that p?

    GLAUCON: I agree.
    CEPHALUS: It would seem so.
    POLEMARCHUS: Necessarily.
    THRASYMACHUS: Yes, Socrates.
    ALCIBIADES: Certainly, Socrates.
    PAUSANIAS: Quite so, if we are to be consistent.
    ARISTOPHANES: Assuredly.
    ERYXIMACHUS: The argument certainly points that way.
    PHAEDO: By all means.
    PHAEDRUS: What you say is true, Socrates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 13, 2009, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: Harry Lime on December 13, 2009, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 13, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
http://consc.net/misc/proofs.html


 :lol


Plato:

    SOCRATES: Is it not true that p?

    GLAUCON: I agree.
    CEPHALUS: It would seem so.
    POLEMARCHUS: Necessarily.
    THRASYMACHUS: Yes, Socrates.
    ALCIBIADES: Certainly, Socrates.
    PAUSANIAS: Quite so, if we are to be consistent.
    ARISTOPHANES: Assuredly.
    ERYXIMACHUS: The argument certainly points that way.
    PHAEDO: By all means.
    PHAEDRUS: What you say is true, Socrates.

mob rule wins again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 13, 2009, 05:03:23 PM
JD, you're saying that natural rights are an intangible, philosophical thing and that the way that you define them relies entirely on your own opinion, right?

But you also said that natural rights are the ONLY way that anybody can objectively determine if something is right or wrong (w/holocaust comparison).

Like I said, maybe the logic that you use to form your beliefs on right and wrong is similar to most every other human but the facts that you get will of course be different and you'll form a subjective worldview on morality.  In some places, not planting your lawn with St. Augustine grass might make people as mad as if you raped their mother in another part of the world.  Obviously, most differences in moral beliefs aren't that large but it does show that your insistence that natural rights are set in stone and are infallible is incorrect.  It's just your own opinion, dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 13, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
well who cares really?  being able to smoke weed isn't going to dramatically increase anybody's quality of life so just wait another few years and let the actually important bills go through first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 13, 2009, 06:08:43 PM
ohhhhh........shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2009, 06:39:15 PM
You know what's awesome?  Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman are apparently against the latest compromise in the health care bill in the Senate... even though they helped negotiate it!

At this point, I'm pretty much ready to concede that America is incapable of self-governance.  Maybe it would be for the best if the Chinese took us over and straightened us out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2009, 06:45:32 PM
We're willing to make you our 11th province.

Or, y'know, we'll just go back to this old standby:

(http://quietdeclarations.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/usofcanada.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2009, 10:52:36 PM
You can't cure stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 13, 2009, 11:16:24 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 13, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
It's always something like "I like my health care."

But what about your fucking next door neighboor who just lost his job? What if he gets hit by a car tomorrow? WTF will he do then?

"Why should I have to pay to take care of his problem?"

There's no Picard gif big enough for this kind of shit.

It's the kind of fucking greed and complete lack of compassion that makes me hate conservatives so much. People who would rather lay off 500 employees than lose a dollar off their company's stock price. People who don't give a fuck about their neighbors who can't see a doctor without going bankrupt because we have this ridiculous idea that health care should be tied to a job or privately funded. Asshole stockholders who demand that their company's managers lay off 25% of the workforce rather than accepting a temporary reduction in profits. Douchebag bankers who have the gall to give themselves multimillion dollar bonuses after their companies wreaked havoc on the American middle class.

Sometimes I think I should just stay in Korea permanently.

The worst to me is my aunt living in California, who relays to me all of the absolutely false, slanderous shit that Republicans spout about health care in Canada.  Like, literally, the most insane lies you can think of, and everyone laps it up, and my aunt is forced to correcting and educating everyone against the propaganda machine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 13, 2009, 11:35:32 PM
Health care in Canada is horrible! All the health care is rationed and you have to wait hours in the emergency room while you die! If you need emergency surgery, you go on a waiting list - while you die! You can't pick your doctor! The health care is substandard to American health care! You don't get proper diagnostic tests!

Canada is a death trap!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2009, 11:39:21 PM
Soo Lieberman now says he's going to filibuster the bill if it has a medicare buy-in (for people 55-64).
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It's starting to seem like it may just be better for Dems to try to make a deal with Olympia Snowe, kick Joe Lieberman out of the party and be done with it. The leadership in the senate thought that Lieberman was on board with the latest compromise. But in an appearance on Face the Nation and later in a sit-down with Sen. Reid, Lieberman said he'd join the Republican filibuster if the Medicare buy-in remained in the bill.

What's most telling about Lieberman isn't his positions, which are not that much different from Sen. Nelson's and perhaps Sen. Lincoln's. It's more that he seems to keep upping the ante just when the rest of the caucus thinks they've got a deal.

If it happened once, a misunderstanding might be a credible explanation. But it's happened too many times. Sen. Nelson has driven Dems to distraction on this bill. But his demands have been fairly consistent over time. Lieberman just doesn't seem to be negotiating in good faith. He keeps pulling his caucus to some new compromise, waiting a few days and then saying he can't agree to that either.

It's coming to a breaking point.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/lieberman_again.php?ref=fpblg

He can play this game forever. They'll keep watering shit down and before you know it, 2010 is here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 14, 2009, 12:02:21 AM
Fuck Lieberman, fuck him up his droopy dog ass.

I'm with Triumph.

gg, America, you had a good run.  Damn shame you're going to take half the world down with you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 14, 2009, 12:20:24 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 13, 2009, 10:56:12 PM
It's always something like "I like my health care."

But what about your fucking next door neighboor who just lost his job? What if he gets hit by a car tomorrow? WTF will he do then?

"Why should I have to pay to take care of his problem?"

The funny thing is, if they end up filing bankruptcy, he'll end up paying for it anyway, unless he think that the hospitals don't mind eating the costs.

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The worst to me is my aunt living in California, who relays to me all of the absolutely false, slanderous shit that Republicans spout about health care in Canada.  Like, literally, the most insane lies you can think of, and everyone laps it up, and my aunt is forced to correcting and educating everyone against the propaganda machine.

BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT MOOSE TO COME BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR DOCTOR?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2009, 12:25:30 AM
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In a move that senior leadership aides say has left them stunned, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) has told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) that he will filibuster a tentative public option compromise unless it's stripped of its key component: a measure that would allow people aged 55-64 to buy insurance through Medicare.

The development casts substantial doubt on whether or not a health care reform bill can pass in the Senate, and even more doubt on whether a bill that does pass the Senate will be reconcilable with substantially more progressive House legislation in such a way that a final reform package can once again pass in both chambers of Congress.

Lieberman told Reid this afternoon, after a contentious appearance on Face the Nation, that he's a "no" vote on the new compromise unless the Medicare buy-in is stripped, and he's not even waiting for the CBO to weigh in--a move one leadership aide described as "extremely unfair."

What makes the new turn even more outlandish in the eyes of leadership and others is that Lieberman ran for Vice President on a platform that included a Medicare buy-in for people not-yet eligible for the program. Last week, he and Reid clashed when Lieberman began raising less definitive objections to the plan.

This afternoon, on Face the Nation, Lieberman said that, to get 60 votes, "You've got to take out the Medicare buy-in. You've got to forget about the public option. You probably have to take out the Class Act, which was a whole new entitlement program that will, in future years, put us further into deficit. And you've got to adopt some of the cost containment provisions that will strengthen cost containment, that all of us favor."

Soon thereafter came the confrontation in Reid's office, and that's left the prospects of the Medicare buy-in--and the greater reform bill--very much in doubt.

On Friday, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) told me and other reporters that she opposes the Medicare buy-in but, when pressed, did not make an explicit filibuster threat, saying instead that she'd make her final decision when CBO weighs in. A report is expected early this week.

This past Wednesday, Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE)--who is now skeptical of the Medicare buy-in proposal--was singing a somewhat different tune. Though he insisted his ultimate support for the public option compromise was contingent on a passing CBO score, he told me that he and other health care principals liked the idea in theory. "I'm not aware of anything that was raising serious objections about it, I think it was about, 'Well, that sounds okay, let's see how it scores,'" Nelson said.

The very next day, he told reporters he was concerned the Medicare buy-in would become a vehicle for single-payer, and cast doubt on its ultimate viability. "I wouldn't be surprised if this thing does not become a viable option," Nelson said. "I think it is going to be the lesser of the popular things, but I am keeping an open mind."

I asked him about his swift change in tone late Friday.

"Conceptually, I am concerned about the Medicare buy-in, the more I've thought about it," Nelson said. "I think the numbers will be very disturbing if for no other reason you already have underpayment in Medicare right now for providers, so shoring that up has to be accomplished--where does the money come from and what have you."

With Lieberman out, and with Snowe and Nelson leaning no, that leaves Reid shy of the 60 votes he needs to seal the deal.

So what happens if he strips the buy-in? That may do him no good. Sen. Roland Burris (D-IL) has suggested he'll filibuster a bill without a viable public option, and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) has said he can not support a bill that includes only private insurance options for consumers, who will be required to have insurance under the terms of the legislation.

And even if their cloture votes can be won, it's not at all clear if a health care bill with no public option and no Medicare buy-in can pass in the House. In other words, it's going to be a long week. Stay tuned.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/health-care-reform-in-peril.php

Holy fucking shit. This is the same fucktard Obama campaigned for in 2006. The same fucktard who's head was taken off the chopping block by Obama last November. Obama has supported him for years, yet Lieberman stabs him in the back whenever he's given a chance. I can understand him not supporting various policies, but actively working to throw a monkey wrench into the process - whether it's by campaigning for the republican presidential candidate or attempting to destroy the most important legislation of your caucus - is beyond ridiculous and downright distinguished mentally-challenged.

In a perfect world the dems would kick this fucker out the party and nuke the filibuster. But that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 14, 2009, 02:38:21 AM
I have to admit that I haven't been following the health care reform debate much at all.  Is this bill even going to be a net positive?  As I understand it (which is not very well) the original health care reform concept was that we'd mandate insurance purchase to expand the pool, subsidize it to make sure everyone could afford it, and then add other stuff like the public option to keep private insurers from abusing the mandate/subsidies.  Without the public option, how does this not amount to a giveaway to private companies, like Medicare Part D?  At this point, would no bill at all be better than what's apparently likely to pass the Senate?
Title: The agnostic don't need to prove shit
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2009, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 13, 2009, 06:06:57 AM
Once again, dude, you knew that this was a philosophic discussion about an intangible property.

No, it's something that you claim to be an indisputable, objective truth which actually exists wholly independent of human society or intuition.

That's a very strong claim, and one that happens to underlie 99% of your posts in political threads.  Since you obviously believe this, and since all your arguments boil down to this, wouldn't it be a better use of your time to explain the basis of your belief rather than complain about how other people aren't giving you the respect you deserve?  I assume you've given this some thought, and should be able to make your case without someone else having to tease it out of you.

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 14, 2009, 02:38:21 AM
I have to admit that I haven't been following the health care reform debate much at all.  Is this bill even going to be a net positive?  As I understand it (which is not very well) the original health care reform concept was that we'd mandate insurance purchase to expand the pool, subsidize it to make sure everyone could afford it, and then add other stuff like the public option to keep private insurers from abusing the mandate/subsidies.  Without the public option, how does this not amount to a giveaway to private companies, like Medicare Part D?  At this point, would no bill at all be better than what's apparently likely to pass the Senate?

The core is really regulation+subsidies, rather than mandates+subsidies.  The mandates are in there to keep gaming the system once insurers have to use community rating and can't deny coverage of pre-existing conditions.  The public option was really watered down even in the earlier, more "liberal" versions of the bill and it's taken on a totemic significance for progressives all out of proportion to its actual effects.  Expanded Medicare probably lowers peoples' costs more, and is as better long-term step for a single-payer system.

Without getting into the details, I think it has to be a net plus, if only because the insurers tried to make a PR push against the bill.  Plus, most of the savings that keep it revenue-neutral are from the elimination of the most baldfaced giveaways from the Medicare Part D bill (like Medicare Advantage) and that hasn't changed throughout the process.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 08:19:34 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 14, 2009, 07:06:14 AM
People are talking a lot about how the Democrats could lose seats in the House and Senate next year. Does that look really likely at this point? Is there any chance that they could actually make gains?

They are almost certain to lose seats in the House but due to the number of retiring Republicans in the Senate they could also gain a seat or two there.  Also, hopefully Harry Reid loses so that Dick Durbin can take over running the Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2009, 11:20:19 AM
Does it even matter who the senate majority leader is when you have a 60 majority featuring 3-4 senators willing to toe the corporate line on any major issue that comes up (health care, education reform, energy, etc). Seems like nothing can be done unless they just get rid of the filibuster, but even that seems very unlikely.

And if these fucktards can't get anything done right now, what will they do if even a couple seats are lost next year. The republicans don't need to take over the senate in order to cripple Obama's agenda.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2009, 02:38:18 PM
PD's got it.

For all the bitching about Reid and Obama, the real problem is the nature of the Senate and the idiocy of a small handful of senators.  The "centrist" Dems have all the leverage because they're okay with walking away and letting the deal fall apart, while the Dem leadership is desperate for something to get done and can't find the votes anywhere else.

I'm pretty surprised at Lieberman's rejection of the new compromise.  I knew that he never had any legit objections to the bill, but I figured he was just grandstanding so he could be the center of attention and feel like part of the process.  Now it looks like he's out to kill the bill entirely.



Lieberman Has Always Been Predictable (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/11/24/lieberman-has-always-been-predictable/)

Quote from: Daniel Larison
Over time, he found that all of his strongest defenders were to be found among hawks in the GOP, and most of his fiercest critics were within his own party. It has become easier to side with his new friends rather than with other Democrats. In this way, Lieberman is just like McCain, whose flirtations with the Democratic Party and the occasional liberal legislative initiative were similarly driven by bitterness over his experience in the 2000 primaries. Arguably, the health care fight ought to have pulled Lieberman back into his party’s orbit and could have won him new respect among the party rank-and-file, but the problem is that he is too much like McCain. They both have an unusually inflated estimate of their own importance, they both tend towards sanctimonious moralizing, and they enjoy the attention they receive for breaking with their party leaders. The more contentious the issue, and the more the party’s base wants something, the more attractive breaking ranks becomes. The health care debate was too tempting.

Domestic policy is secondary to both McCain and Lieberman, and they take their positions on it based on what will make them appear “independent-minded” and secure their “centrist” reputations. He cannot emphasize his unflagging hawkishness as McCain did when the latter needed to rehabilitate himself with Republican primary voters, and the habits of years of hewing to the “centrist” line have finally made it impossible for him to align himself with progressives in a major domestic policy debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
While that's true about the idiot centrists Mandark, I seem to recall Republicans forcing their agenda down America's throat without 60 votes pretty reliably for 6 years there.  Democrats are just pussies and Harry Reid is a prime example.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
Dems are definitely pussies but note the plurality. The GOP is like one giant pussy; it may not like it, but if it's going to get fucked it's going to get fucked as one. How many so called fiscal conservatives raised questions or fits over Bush's spending sprees, how many demanded a blueprint on how stuff would be payed for, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
truth be told, ayn rand didn't even buy her own bullshit. she was a totalitarian in her personal life and matters, so of course she'd see the "can't we all just leave each other alone" set as a bunch of pussies in need of the dominion of the elite. hell, what is atlus shrugged if not 800 pages of implicit complaint that the stupid status quo won't grant the perceived "best and brightest" total latitude over society?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 14, 2009, 07:48:26 PM
rand thought it was her philosophy that was really important, not its political implications.  if libertarians didn't buy into her philosophy, she wasn't going to cut them any slack just for having roughly similar policy preferences.  also compromise is always evil

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil. The man who is wrong still retains some respect for truth, if only by accepting the responsibility of choice. But the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit. In that transfusion of blood which drains the good to feed the evil, the compromiser is the transmitting rubber tube . . .

When men reduce their virtues to the approximate, then evil acquires the force of an absolute, when loyalty to an unyielding purpose is dropped by the virtuous, it’s picked up by scoundrels—and you get the indecent spectacle of a cringing, bargaining, traitorous good and a self-righteously uncompromising evil."

(from the long speech in Atlas Shrugged)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
Sadly, No! eviscerates the stoopit libertopian argument (basically "I got mine, screw you!") against the govt. intervening in the health care market here. (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/27151.html)

At this point I'm pretty much checked out on American politics.  Obama has proven to be the financial sector's power bottom and Presidents Lieberman, Nelson and Lincoln are going to torpedo any potential health care bill no matter how many compromises get made.  America is too stupid and dysfunctional to be governed- the sooner the Chinese take over and start killing people for being uppity fucktards the better.  In fact, I've been keeping a list if they want to take a look at it...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 09:26:11 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 14, 2009, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 14, 2009, 08:15:59 PM
Sadly, No! eviscerates the stoopit libertopian argument (basically "I got mine, screw you!") against the govt. intervening in the health care market here. (http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/27151.html)

"France has a demonstrably better health care system than the United States. It isn’t even close. There are no medical bankruptcies, there are no people denied treatment because they lack insurance..."


Hrm.  It's like he thinks the one sentence logically flows from the other, somehow, but it's just not making sense.

Wow, it's like that's the only thing he wrote.

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For a dozen years now I’ve led a dual life, spending more than 90 percent of my time and money in the U.S. while receiving 90 percent of my health care in my wife’s native France. On a personal level the comparison is no contest: I’ll take the French experience any day. ObamaCare opponents often warn that a new system will lead to long waiting times, mountains of paperwork, and less choice among doctors. Yet on all three of those counts the French system is significantly better, not worse, than what the U.S. has now.

LOLLERSKATES

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What’s more, none of these anecdotes scratches the surface of France’s chief advantage, and the main reason socialized medicine remains a perennial temptation in this country: In France, you are covered, period. It doesn’t depend on your job, it doesn’t depend on a health maintenance organization, and it doesn’t depend on whether you filled out the paperwork right. Those who (like me) oppose ObamaCare, need to understand (also like me, unfortunately) what it’s like to be serially rejected by insurance companies even though you’re perfectly healthy. It’s an enraging, anxiety-inducing, indelible experience, one that both softens the intellectual ground for increased government intervention and produces active resentment toward anyone who argues that the U.S. has “the best health care in the world.”

WOW HOLY SHIT WHO IS THIS HIPPIE

Oh it's Matt Welch, editor of Reason lol

ALL ABOARD THE FREE MARKET FAILBOAT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2009, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 14, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
While that's true about the idiot centrists Mandark, I seem to recall Republicans forcing their agenda down America's throat without 60 votes pretty reliably for 6 years there.  Democrats are just pussies and Harry Reid is a prime example.

Yeah, Bush/DeLay had a pretty successful run there.  But let's call it four years, not six.  In fact, let's call it the four years immediately following the 9/11 attacks.

The success they enjoyed was because of a fluke of history, and because their agenda was 90% corporate giveaways.  Bad policy is easier to pass because it avoids hard decisions and buys out the relevant lobbies.

I'm sure they could find 60 votes in the Senate easy if the bill was as crappy as Medicare Part D (or the energy bill, or the bankruptcy bill, or NCLB, or the farm bill), but why would we want that?  Bush was working with a different coalition pursuing different goals.  It's crazy to look at him as a model for achieving liberal-progressive reforms.


Also, how do so many liberals write stuff like this without realizing that they're recapitulating the Green Lantern Theory of Geopolitics (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2006/07/10/the_green_lantern_theory_of_ge/), except applying it to the legislative procedure.  "If only our guys were more masculine and tougher, and not so Frenchy, Ben Nelson would cower at our might and vote the right way!"

We're Democrats, damn it.  We shouldn't be the ones pining for powerful daddy figures.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
Yeah, but I'm a Hunter Thompson democrat dammit.  I like guns, drinking and general rowdiness.

Also, speaking of the good Dr. it looks like California is gonna maybe legalize weed next year. (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/144561/breaking%3A_marijuana_legalization_will_be_on_california%27s_2010_ballot/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2009, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 14, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
Yeah, but I'm a Hunter Thompson democrat dammit.  I like guns, drinking and general rowdiness.

:bow :bow :bow being liberal doesn't hafta mean being an uptight pussy :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 14, 2009, 09:42:10 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 14, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
While that's true about the idiot centrists Mandark, I seem to recall Republicans forcing their agenda down America's throat without 60 votes pretty reliably for 6 years there.  Democrats are just pussies and Harry Reid is a prime example.

Yeah, Bush/DeLay had a pretty successful run there.  But let's call it four years, not six.  In fact, let's call it the four years immediately following the 9/11 attacks.

The success they enjoyed was because of a fluke of history, and because their agenda was 90% corporate giveaways.  Bad policy is easier to pass because it avoids hard decisions and buys out the relevant lobbies.

I'm sure they could find 60 votes in the Senate easy if the bill was as crappy as Medicare Part D (or the energy bill, or the bankruptcy bill, or NCLB, or the farm bill), but why would we want that?  Bush was working with a different coalition pursuing different goals.  It's crazy to look at him as a model for achieving liberal-progressive reforms.


Also, how do so many liberals write stuff like this without realizing that they're recapitulating the Green Lantern Theory of Geopolitics (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2006/07/10/the_green_lantern_theory_of_ge/), except applying it to the legislative procedure.  "If only our guys were more masculine and tougher, and not so Frenchy, Ben Nelson would cower at our might and vote the right way!"

We're Democrats, damn it.  We shouldn't be the ones pining for powerful daddy figures.

because some of us aren't coalition builders. fuck, some days, i'm not even sure i believe in elective democracy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2009, 11:03:42 PM
Mass cleansing based on those who would drink only Brawndo would probably be a good way to govern imo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2009, 11:32:53 PM
You legislate with the political institutions you have, not with the political institutions you wish you had.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 14, 2009, 11:42:17 PM
duh! doesn't change what i *want*.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2009, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 14, 2009, 07:48:26 PM
Bunch of shit

Thanks for saving me the cash. I wanted to get the book and read what all the hooplah was about. But I now realize that I never would have finished it before its fiery demise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on December 15, 2009, 02:15:16 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 14, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
Also, speaking of the good Dr. it looks like California is gonna maybe legalize weed next year. (http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/144561/breaking%3A_marijuana_legalization_will_be_on_california%27s_2010_ballot/)

Please happen.

I want to live in a state that's not in horrible debt and filled with overcrowded prisons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2009, 10:53:38 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 15, 2009, 10:23:33 PM
I just read a market-based approach to the health care problem that seems to actually make sense. But I might be overlooking something. Anyone care to take a look? It's a good read.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200909/health-care (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200909/health-care)

I'm through the first two sections and it's a coin flip if I'm going to give this a tl;dr.

So far it's a guy with apparently no background in the economics of health care saying things that are either truisms or (when he talks about the government subsidizing housing) suspiciously close to BS talking points.

Maybe it gets better.



edit:  Okay, I saw the phrase "moral hazard" and decided to search on page for "HSA".  Bingo.  This is ~90% Republican boilerplate.  Let the consumers directly assume more cost and more risk, and tell women to stop expecting pre-natal care.  Sluts knew what they were getting into.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2009, 11:00:39 PM
Why doesn't any journalist remind their viewers that Aetna  is one of Lieberman's "constituents"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 15, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
WHY DOESNT ANY JOURNALIST REMIND THEIR VIEWERS THAT ACORN IS ONE OF OBAMA'S "CONSTITUENTS"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2009, 11:05:48 PM
Was he ever linked though? I thought fox hated acorn because they "register voters that would most likely vote democrat". At least, that is what the fake pimp fox hero said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2009, 11:11:21 PM
For whatever reason, it's considered uncouth in mainstream journalism to suggest that a particular politician is under the sway of a big lobby.  You're allowed to point out that an industry is spending a lot of money to defeat a bill, but you can't make the connection to a specific legislator who seems to be in their pocket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2009, 11:20:39 PM
If they did that for all politicians it would make for greater transparency IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2009, 11:46:10 PM
Man, I wish that post weren't so on target, Cohen.

WashPost had big front page stories on the lobbying behind the health bill two days in a row a couple months back, with color graphics of the money flow and quotes from lobbyists saying that there was nothing out of the ordinary going on.  Since then, bupkis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 16, 2009, 12:32:53 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 15, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 15, 2009, 10:53:38 PM
edit:  Okay, I saw the phrase "moral hazard" and decided to search on page for "HSA".  Bingo.  This is ~90% Republican boilerplate.  Let the consumers directly assume more cost and more risk, and tell women to stop expecting pre-natal care.  Sluts knew what they were getting into.

You don't think there could be some validity to the idea that insurance really drives up costs, and if the majority of medical procedures were paid for out of pocket, the costs would fall to levels people could afford out of necessity?

dropping a procedure from $15K to $1.5K still ain't gonna make it affordable for most americans in an emergency. hence, insurance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2009, 01:09:18 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 15, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 15, 2009, 10:53:38 PM
edit:  Okay, I saw the phrase "moral hazard" and decided to search on page for "HSA".  Bingo.  This is ~90% Republican boilerplate.  Let the consumers directly assume more cost and more risk, and tell women to stop expecting pre-natal care.  Sluts knew what they were getting into.

You don't think there could be some validity to the idea that insurance really drives up costs, and if the majority of medical procedures were paid for out of pocket, the costs would fall to levels people could afford out of necessity?

The underlying assumption behind the "skin in the game" theory of controlling costs is that health care behaves like the iconic Econ 101 Widget: producers compete to make it cheaper because the consumer can easily compare the costs with the utility they'd get out of the widgets.

But health care operates differently, for two reasons:

1)  Giant information costs.  There's a 99% chance you don't know enough to reliably diagnose yourself and decide on a course of treatment.  The cost of learning if you like a dish at a restaurant is ~$20 and an hour of your time.  The cost of making informed medical decisions is ~$90,000 and four years.  So we have professionals and rely on them.

2)  Cost-benefit analysis tends to get chucked out the window when death is on the line (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL4c9gCRSKY).  If your physician tells you that the pains are probably nothing, but there's a 5% chance that it's horrible cancer which will kill you in a year if you don't catch it, then you're getting that fancy new test, whether your insurance covers it or you're putting $2,000 on your credit card.

Because of these two, the high stakes and asymmetric information, doctors are the de facto decisionmakers for most patients.  If anyone's incentives should be changed, it's theirs. 

The current healthcare bill moves towards paying providers based on results, rather than a per-procedure fee which encourages overtesting.  The author of the Atlantic piece just assumes that doctors will change their fee structure because of the power of the market, which I seriously doubt.  Look at the credit industry: they deal directly with the customer all the time and their fee structures have gotten less and less fair.

The author also assumes that these problems will be solved by the emergence of a new profession of patient advocates, which basically translates as "well, you can always sue your doctor".  My guess is this would have about a gazillion unintended consequences, the most obvious one being that upper- and middle-class patients will scare doctors into behaving better for them than they do for the dirty poors.  More litigation, even if it's in a new, supposedly streamlined process, is almost never the best way to fix a system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2009, 06:46:47 AM
The reason that some hospitals aren't making money is that some people don't pay for emergency care, thus necessitating the absurd prices on certain other stuff to people who can/will pay (i.e. those with insurance).  So instead of fucking around with "let's just dump the costs off on people, that'll fix things" ideas as a fix when that's ALREADY THE REASON THE SYSTEM IS FUCKED UP (certain people CAN'T pay) I would think that the better solution would be to make sure that as many people as possible are insured, or, you know, completely eliminate the "uninsured" category and just have universal coverage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 16, 2009, 10:42:42 AM
So with the public option seemingly gone does this mean that Canada's population is going to increase?   :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2009, 08:07:33 AM
Meet your swing vote on every important bill over the next year. (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/lieberman-the-fallout/)

Quote
But in the interview, Mr. Lieberman said that he grew apprehensive when a formal proposal began to take shape. He said he worried that the program would lead to financial trouble and contribute to the instability of the existing Medicare program.

And he said he was particularly troubled by the overly enthusiastic reaction to the proposal by some liberals, including Representative Anthony Weiner, Democrat of New York, who champions a fully government-run health care system.

“Congressman Weiner made a comment that Medicare-buy in is better than a public option, it’s the beginning of a road to single-payer,” Mr. Lieberman said. “Jacob Hacker, who’s a Yale professor who is actually the man who created the public option, said, ‘This is a dream. This is better than a public option. This is a giant step.’”

But right here is the broken-ass epistemology of a pompous idiot.  He's not smart or interested enough to work out the details of the policy, so his shortcut is to see how other people react to something, and if it's praised too much by groups who he thinks as enemies, oppose it.

It's so dumb and tribal and petty.  Oh, and apparently he completely made up that quote by Hacker.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on December 17, 2009, 08:54:39 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2009, 08:07:33 AM
Meet your swing vote on every important bill over the next year. (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/lieberman-the-fallout/)

Quote
But in the interview, Mr. Lieberman said that he grew apprehensive when a formal proposal began to take shape. He said he worried that the program would lead to financial trouble and contribute to the instability of the existing Medicare program.

And he said he was particularly troubled by the overly enthusiastic reaction to the proposal by some liberals, including Representative Anthony Weiner, Democrat of New York, who champions a fully government-run health care system.

“Congressman Weiner made a comment that Medicare-buy in is better than a public option, it’s the beginning of a road to single-payer,” Mr. Lieberman said. “Jacob Hacker, who’s a Yale professor who is actually the man who created the public option, said, ‘This is a dream. This is better than a public option. This is a giant step.’”

But right here is the broken-ass epistemology of a pompous idiot.  He's not smart or interested enough to work out the details of the policy, so his shortcut is to see how other people react to something, and if it's praised too much by groups who he thinks as enemies, oppose it.

It's so dumb and tribal and petty.  Oh, and apparently he completely made up that quote by Hacker.

I read that earlier today. His reasoning barely registered in my mind as both silly and dishonest. I've become desensitized to stupidity.

I'm reminded of a conversation I had a few months ago with an American compatriot here in Korea. I asked him if he was paying attention to the political news back home; he replied no, saying that it was too discouraging. I said hey, that's not true--there's a new legislative bill that will guarantee universal health care! Then I acknowledged that many of its most useful provisions will probably be stripped from it; he remarked that it would be Swiss cheese when it emerged from both chambers of Congress. We both agreed that if it passed in that state, then it could potentially do even more harm than good. Then he looked at me and said, "Depressing, isn't it?" And I said, "Oh, yeah, I see your point."

EDIT: Btw, Green Shinobi, if you've used the medical system here in Korea, it should be obvious how it completely outclasses America's. The facilities and doctors are generally SUPERIOR to their American counterparts--and I pay FAR LESS in both tax and insurance payments than I do in America! To say nothing of how cheap the medical costs are across the board! An ER visit here is $20. In America I paid over $1,000 even with fantastic insurance (the hospital denied my claim that a kidney stone is an emergency).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2009, 09:09:26 AM
The good news is that the bill is definitely (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_health-care_refo.html) better (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-crazy-to.html) than the status quo.

Still, I'd love to be free of the knowledge that assholes and idiots still wield a ton of power over my country.  It's alternately numbing and horribly frustrating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2009, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2009, 09:09:26 AM
The good news is that the bill is definitely (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_health-care_refo.html) better (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-crazy-to.html) than the status quo.

Still, I'd love to be free of the knowledge that assholes and idiots still wield a ton of power over my country.  It's alternately numbing and horribly frustrating.

Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there pardner.  As you well know, there's plenty of opportunities for this thing to get worse.  They're not done by a long shot in the Senate yet, and then you've got the inevitable conference committee shenanigans... and Ben Nelson is still apparently upset that Lieberman is getting all the attention and will likely have at least two or three more freakouts over abortion or something equally stupid.

It's funny to look back and think about it, but the Finance committee bill is honestly better than what's left at this point.  The thing that pisses me off the most is the mandate coupled with ABSOLUTELY NO COST CONTROLS on these fucking jackal insurance companies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2009, 10:13:52 AM
I dunno.  Industry lobbies generally know their own financial interest, and AHIP's still trying to kill this baby (http://www.americanhealthsolution.org/blog/).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
And the entire GOP is still going crazy. I was wondering if they'd declare victory after the public option/medicare buy-in were shitcanned but they're still going full speed. So when this passes what will they say
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2009, 10:46:43 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
And the entire GOP is still going crazy. I was wondering if they'd declare victory after the public option/medicare buy-in were shitcanned but they're still going full speed. So when this passes what will they say

THIS IS THE END OF AMERICA

NOBAMA

FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE RICH, AND I SAID NOTHING BECAUSE I WASN'T RICH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2009, 10:54:29 AM
How can they top themselves, maybe shut down the senate or something? They wasted half their ammo in August, and the rest since. Now the year is almost over and a bill is going to be passed.

Too bad dems like Lieberman/Nelson/etc gave them cover, smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 17, 2009, 11:32:22 AM
Quote
The thing that pisses me off the most is the mandate coupled with ABSOLUTELY NO COST CONTROLS on these fucking jackal insurance companies.

I guess this is what concerns me.  If companies are currently charging X, and we're going to be offering S amount of subsidies, what will keep them from just charging X+S, so that individuals end up have to pay the same amount, but the govt is spending more money?  If Econ 101 competition wasn't performing this function before, what will the bill do to change that -- especially since we're removing the competing option of "not buying insurance", which has proven fairly popular however shitty it may be?  With no public option, the regulations it does add seem to concentrate on restricting discrimination rather than controlling costs or enhancing competition.  What am I missing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 17, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
I do like this comment on the Ezra Klein piece:

"In order to keep Joe Lieberman from doing any more damage, my official stance is "I am a liberal and I hate this bill! Man, it's awful! There's NOTHING left for me to be excited about! Bummer!"

Posted by: cog145 | December 15, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2009, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 17, 2009, 09:43:26 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2009, 09:09:26 AM
The good news is that the bill is definitely (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/is_the_senate_health-care_refo.html) better (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/why-progressives-are-batshit-crazy-to.html) than the status quo.

Still, I'd love to be free of the knowledge that assholes and idiots still wield a ton of power over my country.  It's alternately numbing and horribly frustrating.

Whoa whoa whoa... slow down there pardner.  As you well know, there's plenty of opportunities for this thing to get worse.  They're not done by a long shot in the Senate yet, and then you've got the inevitable conference committee shenanigans... and Ben Nelson is still apparently upset that Lieberman is getting all the attention and will likely have at least two or three more freakouts over abortion or something equally stupid.

Wow, like clockwork or something.  Ben Nelson is now saying he won't vote for the bill. (http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1209/Nelson_rejects_abortion_compromise.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
Saw this tonight on SNL xmas special. I know its old but I lost it a few times.

http://onegoodmovemedia.org/movies/njenson/bluechristmas.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2009, 12:27:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
And the entire GOP is still going crazy. I was wondering if they'd declare victory after the public option/medicare buy-in were shitcanned but they're still going full speed. So when this passes what will they say

It'll be the usual.  They'll blame the bill for whatever economic or medical problems come along down the pike, no matter how specious the logic or how fake the crisis.  They blame the economy on the future possibility of a nebulous cap-n-trade bill, ferchrissakes.

Then 20 years down the road, when everyone's used to the benefits and some Democratic politicians are trying to expand the safety net, they'll tell everyone that the new legislation is trying to set up death panels and roll back what they opposed in the first place.



recursive:  The cost-control measures (which have been weakened from the House version, I think) are mostly aimed at providers rather than at the insurance companies.  The regulations on insurers are more cost-shifting than cost-reducing, but I don't think that's a bad thing.  See Jim Henley (http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2009/09/07/9869).




PS Hey!  "No, they exist because they do." on the newsfeed.  That makes me a little proud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2009, 12:34:35 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 18, 2009, 12:27:48 AM

PS Hey!  "No, they exist because they do." on the newsfeed.  That makes me a little proud.

I'm almost more proud of that than I am of my own contribution to the newsfeed.

Almost.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2009, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 18, 2009, 06:25:56 AM
Yes.  Be proud of acting demonstrably petty and stupid.   ::)  Be proud of failing to engage in the conversation you demanded.

Last time I checked Mandark wasn't the one who responded like an eight year old.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 18, 2009, 09:03:53 AM
I can't say I'm surprised about Ben Nelson's fuckwittery.  This is the Democrat who brought back the death penalty (electric chair to boot) to Nebraska while Governor after it was left alone by Republicans and Democrats for 35 years (1959-1994).  The guy whose 2006 Senate campaign ads prominently featured an endorsement from Bush about being willing to work with Republicans.

Edit: According to Wikipedia, he's been the only Governor after 1959 to use the death penalty.  The Republican successors did not use it, like wingnut Mike Johanns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Nebraska#List_of_individuals_executed_in_Nebraska_after_1976

I wouldn't expect anything from him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 18, 2009, 09:57:38 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 18, 2009, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 18, 2009, 06:25:56 AM
Yes.  Be proud of acting demonstrably petty and stupid.   ::)  Be proud of failing to engage in the conversation you demanded.

Last time I checked Mandark wasn't the one who responded like an eight year old.

It's petty because it is Triumph.  It's petty because it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 10:32:41 AM
I can't believe health care reform is being killed by the Senate. This is like watching a Redskins game, where they're up by a touchdown and somehow lose by a field goal in the final seconds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 18, 2009, 10:48:34 AM
Corporation profits > American lives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2009, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 10:32:41 AM
I can't believe health care reform is being killed by the Senate. This is like watching a Redskins game, where they're up by a touchdown and somehow lose by a safety in the final seconds.

fixt lol

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH

BREAK OUT THE BRAWNDO, BITCHES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 10:57:35 AM
This has seriously dampened my enthusiasm and appreciation for the overall legislative process - and my faith in our country as a whole.

Can we not even agree on legislation when the progressive stuff is taken out? What exists is basically the best case scenario for the health care lobby, and it's still going to get shot down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 18, 2009, 11:16:53 AM
I don't really have any enthusiasm for politics right now.  I don't expect anything to really happen these days unless a huge crisis hits and by then, we're all fucked anyway.

I think the whole point of removing the progressive stuff out was just to prolong the inevitable "No" votes that we're seeing now.  Although I expect some hackneyed frankenstein of a bill will surface that will make sure insurance and pharmaceutical companies are flush with cash while seeing marginal improvements for the rest of the population.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 18, 2009, 11:22:31 AM
They can pass a $626B military budget without batting an eye lash but giving $80B for healthcare reform will break the bank.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2009, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 10:57:35 AM
This has seriously dampened my enthusiasm and appreciation for the overall legislative process - and my faith in our country as a whole.

Can we not even agree on legislation when the progressive stuff is taken out? What exists is basically the best case scenario for the health care lobby, and it's still going to get shot down.

Nah, it will get passed after Ben Nelson gets fellated for a week.  Lieberman had his turn last week, now it's Nelson's.  Maybe some sort of provision that forces women to spend at least two weeks barefoot in a kitchen before they can even talk to someone at an abortion clinic will make him happy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 11:45:48 AM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/msnbcs-ratigan-yells-at-congresswoman-video.php?ref=fpb

I can just imagine tv "journalists" sending videos like this to each other on twitter, patting each other on the back like fuck yea you're so hard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 11:49:33 AM
Ratigan had the best advice on Twitter this morning, actually:

"Forget reform - buy health insurance stocks, use the profits to subsidize your own government mandated monthly premium." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
I really like Ratigan. He's an extremely passionate advocate for the average taxpayer, and he makes a lot of good points. The downside is that he gets extremely frustrated and acts relatively immature when guests start towing the company line, and that kind negates his usually valid argument.

But I do feel like he's the only one that routinely calls out people for their bullshit, and that's on both sides of the aisle. I guess moments like this is the price we pay for having one person trying to keep people accountable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
what blows my mind are the polls showing that americans have a good 20% more enthusiasm for murdering brownskins in foreign expeditions than in keeping their own asses healthy without going broke. b o g g l e.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
Because people mistakenly perceive Al Qaeda as a bigger national security threat than the health of our population and the costs associated with it. Osama bin Laden could blow up a building per month, and the physical and financial toll would still be less than what is looming on America's horizon - an entire generation that is obese, asthmatic, autistic, diabetic, etc. and without proper preventative health care.

The Republican talking point should be, "We don't want to pass this debt on to our children, because we have already decided that the nation will collapse before then."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 18, 2009, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
Because people mistakenly perceive Al Qaeda as a bigger national security threat than the health of our population and the costs associated with it. Osama bin Laden could blow up a building per month, and the physical and financial toll would still be less than what is looming on America's horizon - an entire generation that is obese, asthmatic, autistic, diabetic, etc. and without proper preventative health care.

The Republican talking point should be, "We don't want to pass this debt on to our children, because we have already decided that the nation will collapse before then."

So basically America will turn into GAF.

I better bail out to another country post haste.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
Statistics show that this generation might be the first generation that does not outlive their parents, because of health care and lifestyle.

There's a lack of proper preventative health care - and that includes nutritionists for those who are battling their weight, routine physicals (that can catch ailments early on, reducing expensive treatments), appropriate diagonistic tests, etc. Obesity is the obviously the largest factor (no pun intended) and that's a problem that we have created as a society, through corn subsidies and socioeconomic conditions that our government is hesitant to change.

We force our poor to work long hours for minimal pay (making sick days punitive usually), leading them to purchase unhealthy foods due to limited time and smaller budgets, they develop serious health problems as a result, but are unable to afford health insurance to diagnose and treat those problems... until they are eventually eligible for Medicare, where they will bankrupt the system with ridiculously high health care costs.

Good job, America.

But - hey! - I hear Afghanistan is developing a pretty decent health care system. Let's move there!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 18, 2009, 01:13:00 PM
I got to admit, I am amazed that the country hasn't collapsed yet.  Maybe it is that good ol' fashioned American resolve.  I get the feeling we'll be teetering on the knife's edge for many years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
And I won't even go into detail about the even greater millions of Americans that actually have health insurance, but can only use it for reactive care ("I'm sick and dying, time to go to the doctor!") and prescriptions when necessary - because of the high costs and rationing (trying to get your insurance company to honor a claim now requires you to perform feats of strength, such as bending a river).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 18, 2009, 01:13:00 PM
I got to admit, I am amazed that the country hasn't collapsed yet.  Maybe it is that good ol' fashioned American resolve.  I get the feeling we'll be teetering on the knife's edge for many years.

That is probably true. TIME's well-intentioned, but poorly written article about the past decade being "The Decade From Hell" was right about one thing - America has coasted through the past several decades by putting off serious social, financial and ecological problems until some undetermined date to be decided in the future (probably after we start giving corporations naming rights to states, imagine the United States of Pepsi).

It will eventually catch up with us.

I think corporations and lobbyists will eventually realize if we all die, they won't be able to make much money, and then you might see some reform. Until then, they will weigh their corporate interests against the increasing possibility of the country collapsing.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 01:30:18 PM
Question for Mandark or anyone that has gotten into the nitty gritty of the Senate bill: does the legislation still close the Medicare donut hole?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 01:33:17 PM
Update from Ratigan's Twitter:

"Will apologize for losing temper. Won't apologize for challenging lies and misinformation. USA needs apology for destructive false solutions."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
I really like Ratigan. He's an extremely passionate advocate for the average taxpayer, and he makes a lot of good points. The downside is that he gets extremely frustrated and acts relatively immature when guests start towing the company line, and that kind negates his usually valid argument.

But I do feel like he's the only one that routinely calls out people for their bullshit, and that's on both sides of the aisle. I guess moments like this is the price we pay for having one person trying to keep people accountable.

He really seemed off base in this clip. I'm upset there's no public option but as Mandark said, the corporations are still scared. Of course their stocks are rising, they're major health insurance companies. They'd rise even if the gimped public option was in there. Any populist anger needs to be directed at blue dogs and/or republicans, not Schultz who supports a public option
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
What you makes no sense. His point was valid, but he was incredibly immature.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
From the comments section

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Oh please. Please. This is a Congresswoman and a cancer survivor? Come on. She can try to answer questions about WHY the market is so excited about this new health insurance plan.

How about this?

Markets are irrational sometimes. Today, insurers can cover everyone and they choose to exclude millions who, like me, have a preexisting condition. This bill will change that. They choose to exclude millions who cannot afford their premiums. This bill will change that. Is it perfect? Nothing that requires Joe LIEberman's signature is perfect. It's better than what we have today, though, and that is why I support it.

Pretty much. But even that's not written in stone. iirc the senate bill will allow insurance companies to base their care/services in states with weak regulations. The house bill addresses this with a national exchange instead of state based
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2009, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on December 18, 2009, 01:18:46 AM
Quote from: Boogie on December 18, 2009, 12:34:35 AM
I'm almost more proud of that than I am of my own contribution to the newsfeed.

Almost.

You didn't contribute shit to the newsfeed.

Aww, is your butt still sore?  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 01:30:18 PM
Question for Mandark or anyone that has gotten into the nitty gritty of the Senate bill: does the legislation still close the Medicare donut hole?

Yeah.  Link nyah (http://csbj.com/2009/12/17/democrats-vow-to-close-medicare-donut-hole/).

It's pretty much set in stone, unlike the public option and some other stuff.  It's been in every version of the bill, it's popular with constituents, and it's a big part of how they got the AARP's support.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 03:46:20 PM
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Anna Bollerman, a retired real estate broker, found herself pleading with doctors for free drug samples and maxing out her credit cards when she wound up in the doughnut hole this year.

“It put me in a position where I was totally embarrassed because I had to beg for medicine,” said Bollerman, 80, of Bayville, N.J. She’s coping with diabetes and a serious degenerative condition that affects her eyes.

A 90-day supply of one of her medications costs $1,496 when she’s in the doughnut hole, said Bollerman. Her monthly income is a little over $1,500.

“All my life I was independent, and this is what I’m left with?” she said. “Whoever thought of this, it wasn’t a very good idea.”

jeez  :-\

And to think we have a political party completely determined to shitcan reform of any kind while the media turns a blind eye
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 18, 2009, 03:52:04 PM
Dylan Ratigan's great. I loved how he handled that birther bitch, and the death panels lady.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 18, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 01:30:18 PM
Question for Mandark or anyone that has gotten into the nitty gritty of the Senate bill: does the legislation still close the Medicare donut hole?

Yeah.  Link nyah (http://csbj.com/2009/12/17/democrats-vow-to-close-medicare-donut-hole/).

It's pretty much set in stone, unlike the public option and some other stuff.  It's been in every version of the bill, it's popular with constituents, and it's a big part of how they got the AARP's support.

... So here's my question, by closing the donut hole, and not really creating anything to reduce prescription costs, won't that hurt seniors when it comes to affording prescription medication? That is unless they're counting on Obama's deal with Big Pharma to drive down costs... but isn't that also dependent hitting some arbitrary number of newly insured Americans?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
From the comments section

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Oh please. Please. This is a Congresswoman and a cancer survivor? Come on. She can try to answer questions about WHY the market is so excited about this new health insurance plan.

How about this?

Markets are irrational sometimes. Today, insurers can cover everyone and they choose to exclude millions who, like me, have a preexisting condition. This bill will change that. They choose to exclude millions who cannot afford their premiums. This bill will change that. Is it perfect? Nothing that requires Joe LIEberman's signature is perfect. It's better than what we have today, though, and that is why I support it.

Pretty much. But even that's not written in stone. iirc the senate bill will allow insurance companies to base their care/services in states with weak regulations. The house bill addresses this with a national exchange instead of state based

Uh, what? The market is not being irrational and raising stock prices for health insurance carriers just for hell of it, stocks are going up because the insurance companies are getting a break (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/patients/articles/?storyId=31736) - not reform.

Ratigan's point is not only valid, but I agree with his complaint that Schultz is just trying to sell the American public a bill of goods. The line that the bill is going to change the culture of insurance companies is laughable, and it's not grounded in reality - as evident by the fact that the stocks are surging for all major health care providers.

In the end, the government has just given them more customers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
Ratigan is good because he just started treating journalism seriously; it's like a kid who all their life just wanted a mustang and finally is able to afford one as an adult- they treat it religiously or something because they've built up a mystique around it.  I'm pretty sure that before he got the hour after Morning Joe he was just a CNBC type yacking head analyst sort.  Give him time- once people figure out that he doesn't play by the rules they'll quit coming on his show and he'll have to start kissing ass to maintain access just like the rest of the media.

As for Willco and t-exp's convo re: the death of the American Empire via stupidity, I only have this to say: 

(http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/brawndo.jpg)

IT'S GOT ELECTROLYTES, BITCHES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 04:22:32 PM
Ratigan was temperamental at CNBC, which is why he left (or got the boot, according to some).

This type of behavior has been typical on the Morning Meeting for awhile now. He does this to anyone that tries to bullshit him on-air, but the HuffPost crowd is crying foul because he turned on one of their own today. Nobody got upset when he reacted in kind with Orly Taitz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4vg3X0Uh4A) or Betsy McCaughey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECSGMd2_BM).

Where was the outrage then?

Should I really care that Schultz is a proponent of a solution that is no longer viable in the Senate, when she is still continuing to support this laughable attempt at reform with a totally outrageous justification? I mean, I think if she had said, "It kind of sucks, but I think it does put some protections in there that will make Americans better off than they were without it," then I doubt Ratigan wouldn't have reacted so angrily.

It's evident by his history on the Morning Meeting that his number one pet peeve is when people regurgitate talking points, so why would you try to do it? He cuts everyone off all the time when they do that.

... So yeah, I disagree with his tone and his attitude in regards to his conversation with Schultz, but I understand his intentions and I support him when he tries to sort through all the political bullshit. We need more of this, not less.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 18, 2009, 04:34:10 PM
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CommentsA new poll suggests that voters are not pleased by the idea of health insurance mandates without a public option or a Medicare expansion.

Conducted by Research 2000 for the Progressive Change Campaign Committee (PCCC) and Democracy for America (DFA), the survey finds only 33 percent of likely voters favor a health care bill that does not include a public health insurance option and does not expand Medicare, but does require all Americans to get health insurance. Slightly more Democrats -- 37 percent -- favor the idea, while only 30 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of independents do.

Meanwhile, if the public option and Medicare buy-in are added, 58 percent of people support the idea. The number of Republican supporters drops to 22 percent, but independent support rises to 57 percent and Democratic support to a whopping 88 percent.

"This poll shows voters in full-blown revolt against the Senate bill," said PCCC co-founder Stephanie Taylor. "Only one-third of voters support mandates without a public option, while nearly two-thirds want the public option and Medicare expansion. This will be a disaster of epic proportions for Democrats in 2010 if it's not fixed -- fast."

Good jon Senate. Why they think that making the bill shittier and shittier is somehow a political winner is beyond me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Has there ever been such brazen and flagrant contempt for the representing one's constituents? "How dare these voters not hold the corporate interests of the health care lobby ahead of their own! We'll show them!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 04:43:23 PM
So, what I think you're saying is, that by the time we finish rebuilding Afghanistan... it'll be time to move there?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 18, 2009, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Has there ever been such brazen and flagrant contempt for the representing one's constituents? "How dare these voters not hold the corporate interests of the health care lobby ahead of their own! We'll show them!"

'Cuz corporations are much better at lobbying than the voters.  Most people will get pissed if a public option isn't in there but when it comes time for the bedshitters like Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman to be re-elected, the public will have already forgotten and thinks shit like whether they lit up a joint 30 years ago or whether they went to a school that promoted "liberal values" is important.

Lieberman and Nelson are just attention whores making sure they get their time in the limelight.  Lieberman should be a lot smarter, he's pretty much salting the earth as much as he can, like he has some kind of back up plan if he gets shitcanned, that or he arrogantly assumes that he won't get his ass kicked in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 04:52:02 PM
What I don't get is, are there not enough votes to attempt reconciliation?

I know nothing about parliamentary rules, but I always heard that would be a way around the filibuster. But the word itself is almost taboo, and politicians speak of it as if it some kind of nuclear option - and not metaphorically either. Like as if they would literally be detonating some kind of nuclear weapon in the Capitol building.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 18, 2009, 04:59:54 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Has there ever been such brazen and flagrant contempt for the representing one's constituents? "How dare these voters not hold the corporate interests of the health care lobby ahead of their own! We'll show them!"

Quote from: http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2009/12/quote-day-you-talkin-me
From Olympia Snowe, on the idea of allowing 55-64 year-olds to buy into Medicare:

             I can’t see it. I am talking to a lot of my providers this afternoon and I know they are mighty unhappy.

Maybe she should try talking to some of her constituents instead?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
I'm also against the Medicare buy-in, simply because it was poorly constructed by the Democrats and a cheap political ploy to make a pretty bad bill look good to senior citizens, without really helping them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 18, 2009, 05:03:57 PM
Quote from: T EXP on December 18, 2009, 04:49:14 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 18, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
Has there ever been such brazen and flagrant contempt for the representing one's constituents? "How dare these voters not hold the corporate interests of the health care lobby ahead of their own! We'll show them!"

'Cuz corporations are much better at lobbying than the voters.  Most people will get pissed if a public option isn't in there but when it comes time for the bedshitters like Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman to be re-elected, the public will have already forgotten and thinks shit like whether they lit up a joint 30 years ago or whether they went to a school that promoted "liberal values" is important.

Except they'll still be mandated by the gov't to buy shitty plans, it'll still be very much on their radar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2009, 05:05:00 PM
Here's the problem with reconciliation as I understand it.

First of all, it's called BUDGET reconciliation.  This is important, because the rule states that only stuff pertaining to the federal budget can be passed under reconciliation.  You say, ok but who gets to decide that?  Some dude named the Senate Parliamentarian.  He's not an elected official... in fact, I'm not sure he's even an appointed official.  Odds are he's somebody's nephew. 

So, anyway, anything the Parliamentarian decides isn't germane to the budget will get taken out of the bill.  So the problem with trying to pass something as mind-numbingly complex as a comprehensive health care reform bill through reconciliation is that you're likely to end up with 75% of what you tried to pass, and the missing pieces will probably have been important parts of the overall puzzle.  Like, imagine they pass a reform bill through reconciliation that can't outlaw recissions or discriminating due to pre-existing conditions. 

Basically, America is too stupid to be governed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 05:15:27 PM
I don't think it would be difficult to link health care reform, especially with changes to Medicare, to the budget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 05:17:02 PM
Too much is lost through reconciliation. They'll get a gimped public option and lose the insurance reform stuff like pre-existing conditions. Not worth it, unless they were to pass the bill in December and submit a public option afterwards, but I don't know if that's possible

Nuking the filibuster would have been the only way to get a public option/medicare buy-in. But too many senators like having filibuster power (on both sides) to support it, whether it's concerning coal or health care
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 05:19:44 PM
How much more can they lose? The public option is dead. The consumer protection stuff is limited, and great in theory, but let's see it in practice. My guess is even with everyone mandated to buy insurance, we'll see absolutely no cost savings.

Like I said, I see this bill as a gift to the health care lobby at this point. The American public got shafted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2009, 05:24:58 PM
How much more? Just about everything relating to health insurance, which wouldn't be eligible for reconciliation. I'm not convinced a gimped public option would do much of anything.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ov-pT1x-W8Y/Syc81xcp_4I/AAAAAAAADRs/8TXu1nI2OTA/s400/hcbill.png)

Costs go down, perscription drug costs go down (slightly). I think everyone can agree those are good things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 18, 2009, 06:04:50 PM
Eh, I think wouldn't mind giving up the regulations and reforms if it meant having a strong public option open to everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2009, 06:14:15 PM
That's sort of putting all your eggs in one basket tho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 18, 2009, 06:19:44 PM
We should just cut the bullshit and give the insurance industries a fat bailout and don't include anything about lowering the premiums or improving coverage either.  That way we can avoid the pretense of populist reform and skip a few steps to what everyone was expecting anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 18, 2009, 07:58:52 PM
Possibly really stupid question:

If I'm getting this right, we need 60 votes to break a filibuster just to continue DEBATE. There's still one more instance of voting to go when it goes to conference or whatever, right? And at that point in time, it only needs 51 votes to pass, right? If that's the case, can't the dems/Obama administration just give in to Lieberman's/Nelson's/etc. demands now, and then tell them to fuck off, and put those concessions back in the final bill?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 09:32:33 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOoooooh.

Gauntlet has been thrown! E-fight! E-fight! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2009, 10:36:14 PM
boogie's butt gets reddened: canada picks up the check. cost: $0.

green shinobi's butt gets reddened: $2500 for the ER visit, $500 for the doctor requested anal probe; $3000 for the overnight stay; $550 for the butt pain medication; $750 in miscellaneous consultations; Blue Cross denies him since Butthurt Type B is a pre-existing condition. cost: $7300.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on December 18, 2009, 10:49:41 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 18, 2009, 11:30:01 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 18, 2009, 10:36:14 PM
boogie's butt gets reddened: canada picks up the check. cost: $0.

green shinobi's butt gets reddened: $2500 for the ER visit, $500 for the doctor requested anal probe; $3000 for the overnight stay; $550 for the butt pain medication; $750 in miscellaneous consultations; Blue Cross denies him since Butthurt Type B is a pre-existing condition. cost: $7300.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2009, 10:05:47 AM
Looks like Nelson has been sufficiently fellated and he's now pledging to be the 60th vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2009, 11:36:20 AM
Still...fuck Nelson
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2009, 12:19:11 PM
One cool thing about the bill is that it is apparently gonna hit John Boehner where it hurts- it now features a 10% tax on indoor tanning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
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The soon-to-be amended Senate health care bill will cost $871 billion over 10 years according to a new, long-awaited report by the Congressional Budget Office.

That's about $22 billion more than the bill was originally expected to cost, before the new changes--including nixing the public option--were offered to the bill. Democrats replaced the public option with a new plan to allow national or multi-state, non-profit insurance plans, regulated by the federal government, to sell insurance on state exchanges.

The CBO has concluded that, on average, premiums will be the same as they would have been if the Senate had the public option, but that the public option saved the federal government more money by putting downward pressure on the premiums of low-cost private plans, which will be heavily subsidized.

The bill remains a big deficit slayer--$132 billion in the first 10 years. Over the next 10 years, CBO warns all estimates are very uncertain. But here's a key conclusion: "CBO expects that the legislation, if enacted, would reduce federal budget deficits over the ensuing decade relative to those projected under current law--with a total effect during that decade that is in a broad range around one-half percent of GDP."

Senior Democratic aides are suggesting that the bill could reduce the deficit, compared to deficits projected under current law, by as much as $1.3 trillion.

You can read the report here (PDF), and a summary on the CBO's blog here.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/cbo-health-care-bill-now-871-billion-public-option-compromise-does-not-lower-premiums.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 18, 2009, 07:58:52 PM
Possibly really stupid question:

If I'm getting this right, we need 60 votes to break a filibuster just to continue DEBATE. There's still one more instance of voting to go when it goes to conference or whatever, right? And at that point in time, it only needs 51 votes to pass, right? If that's the case, can't the dems/Obama administration just give in to Lieberman's/Nelson's/etc. demands now, and then tell them to fuck off, and put those concessions back in the final bill?

Anyone?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
60 votes for cloture, which will happen tomorrow. After that it's conferenced with the house bill, creating the final bill. It'll take another 60 votes for the final version to pass the senate, so they won't be able to just add a public option and call it a day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2009, 08:20:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2009, 08:17:57 PM
60 votes for cloture, which will happen tomorrow. After that it's conferenced with the house bill, creating the final bill. It'll take another 60 votes for the final version to pass the senate, so they won't be able to just add a public option and call it a day.

Okay, so you DO need 60 votes for the final bill. That's all I was wondering.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
This is assuming the bill will get fillibustered yea, and the GOP is doing everything they can to stop the bill.

The funny/distinguished mentally-challenged thing is that just 1-2 republicans could have made a pretty big impact on the bill, demanding certain things in the bill in exchange for supporting cloture. So if Hatch and the rest of them truly gave a shit about say malpractice reform they could have rolled up their sleeves and did some work on the bill. They couldn't care less.

According to the CBO the bill saves a ton of money, it doesn't have a public option, it doesn't expand medicare, and actually cuts money from medicare - you'd think republicans would love it. This is all about opposing Obama at every chance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 19, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
This is all about opposing Obama at every chance

All because they know that it would be used against them politically in every election. It's a potential voter boon for the democrats. Newly insured Americans won't think too highly of republicans for actively trying to deny them a healthier life. And rightfully so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2009, 12:21:23 AM
Sarah Palin tweets (http://twitter.com/SARAHPalinUSA):

"Copenhgen=arrogance of man2think we can change nature's ways.MUST b good stewards of God's earth,but arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature"

"Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;will cont 2 c chnges.R duty2responsbly devlop resorces4humankind/not pollute&destroy;but cant alter naturl chng"



Really, what needs to be said?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 20, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

That's up there with "change ur tweet arlen!" in terms of great political tweets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2009, 12:59:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 20, 2009, 12:21:23 AM
Sarah Palin tweets (http://twitter.com/SARAHPalinUSA):

"Copenhgen=arrogance of man2think we can change nature's ways.MUST b good stewards of God's earth,but arrogant&naive2say man overpwers nature"

"Earth saw clmate chnge4 ions;will cont 2 c chnges.R duty2responsbly devlop resorces4humankind/not pollute&destroy;but cant alter naturl chng"



Really, what needs to be said?

Arrogance to think man can change nature's ways...

...must be good stewards of the earth

What does it matter if man can't change anything? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 20, 2009, 01:09:00 AM
What exactly counts as "changing nature's ways", anyway?  Does, say, clear-cutting a forest not count?  Seems like the nature of the forest becomes pretty different once it doesn't exist anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 20, 2009, 01:27:11 AM
ions
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 20, 2009, 01:31:47 AM
Seriously, am I the only one who gets genuinely enraged when conservatives talk down to the media and the public after someone states she doesn't have the credibility to be President - usually after she posts something or says something stupid?

Then I feel like we get a lecture from the right on how America is being sexist and bullying her and "gotcha!" journalism and yadda yadda.

... but really, she is functionally distinguished mentally-challenged, right? I'm not being sexist or delusional, am I?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 20, 2009, 01:52:23 AM
By stalking Palin you liberals are screwing up her 2012 chances. They did the same thing to Dan Quayle post-1992 and he was damaged goods by the time '96 rolled around.

Although with her failing, maybe it will spur her into a third party role and insure an Obama win. But I suspect the GOP will pay her off in Macy's gift cards and she will go away quietly.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2009, 02:04:01 AM
TA:  Right.  Liberal criticism really hurts you in the Republican primaries.  And we should have put John Murtha in charge of the House.  Nudge nudge wink wink.


Quote from: Willco on December 20, 2009, 01:31:47 AM
Seriously, am I the only one who gets genuinely enraged when conservatives talk down to the media and the public after someone states she doesn't have the credibility to be President - usually after she posts something or says something stupid?

Then I feel like we get a lecture from the right on how America is being sexist and bullying her and "gotcha!" journalism and yadda yadda.

... but really, she is functionally distinguished mentally-challenged, right? I'm not being sexist or delusional, am I?

This is pretty much her schtick.  Mind numbing idiocy -> contempt from critics -> aggrieved victimhood.  Repeat as needed.

I just wish that right-wingers would care about feminism when it wasn't being used to defend Palin or justify wars in Muslim countries.


Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 20, 2009, 01:09:00 AM
What exactly counts as "changing nature's ways", anyway?  Does, say, clear-cutting a forest not count?  Seems like the nature of the forest becomes pretty different once it doesn't exist anymore.

I've heard it plenty of times.  It's basically the argument from intuition combined with speculation about why your opponents are always wrong.  "Sounds farfetched to me, therefor it can't be true, and people who believe it must be arrogant/naive/dishonest/in a secret Malthusian cabal."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on December 20, 2009, 02:10:36 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 20, 2009, 01:31:47 AM
... but really, she is functionally distinguished mentally-challenged, right? I'm not being sexist or delusional, am I?
Yes, but she's 1 iota smarter than her supporters, which is apparently all you need.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2009, 02:11:20 AM
uh oh

time to go to bed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 20, 2009, 01:02:39 PM
STOP ATTACKING HER FAMILY MANDARK!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2009, 02:21:04 PM
Krugman goes all shrill on the "fiscally conservative" centrists. (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/the-insincere-center/)

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And the lesson I take from that is that these people are insincere. They like posing as defenders of fiscal rectitude; they like declaring a pox on both houses; but when push comes to shove, their dislike of social insurance, their refusal to consider any government economy measures that don’t involve punishing people with lower incomes, trumps their supposed concern about acting responsibly.

Gentlemen — everyone I can think of here does happen to be male — this was your moment of truth, your test of character. You failed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2009, 03:14:55 PM
Saw that post earlier.

I love it, cause I hate Robert Samuelson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 20, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
I would consider myself a fiscally reasonable centrist. I do not agree with some of the government spending that has occurred, mostly for reasons of accountability and transparency, but I can get behind social spending that makes sense.

There are social projects that I do not get behind, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2009, 03:53:48 PM
For background, Krugman's not talking smack about wanting to lower the deficit, but about a specific group of pundits (Robert Samuelson, Fred Hiatt, David Broder) who:

1)  Make a big show of caring about the debt

2)  Say that both parties need to come together to reduce the deficit

and

3)  Oppose a bill which actually does reduce the deficit -- pretty dramatically in the second decade -- and addresses the single biggest threat to federal government's long-term fiscal outlook.


When the opportunity came, they didn't support what they had claimed to support.  So he's concluding that they've been disingenuous, and are using deficit-reduction as a way of pushing another agenda that they'd rather not admit to having.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 20, 2009, 06:11:50 PM
I loved Hiatt's argument a while back that we can't afford healthcare because the country is going bankrupt - even though the plan actually reduces the deficit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bloodwake on December 21, 2009, 02:24:05 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34498942/ns/politics-health_care_reform/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34498942/ns/politics-health_care_reform/)

Well, there you go, the health care bill is going to be signed into law.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2009, 03:43:44 AM
unless it falls apart in conference/Nelson attempts to blow everything up over abortion!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 04:00:23 AM
Booyah!  Cautious optimism!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 08:55:09 AM
Republicans annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 21, 2009, 09:23:47 AM
Merry Christmas Everybody! 

Signed,

The Senate
Title: Most sarcastic link since letmegooglethatforyou
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 09:33:11 AM
How did I not know about this site before?

If Global Warming Is Real Then Why Is It Cold (http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyisitcold.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 21, 2009, 10:00:45 AM
I had it on Fox News for a fleeting moment and the trio talking heads in the morning had a segment about various items that will be taxed due to this Health Care bill. Lots of anger and :smug over a 10% tax increase for UV based tanning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 21, 2009, 10:43:38 AM
Oh no, how will Steve Doocey live?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 21, 2009, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 09:33:11 AM
How did I not know about this site before?

If Global Warming Is Real Then Why Is It Cold (http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyisitcold.blogspot.com/)

Thank you so much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 21, 2009, 11:10:53 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 21, 2009, 10:43:38 AM
Oh no, how will Steve Doocey live?!

The two dudes looked at the single female in a tight shirt as they segued into that topic, she had that "That's just sexist" look on her face. She eventually conceded to using spray tans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 21, 2009, 11:13:16 AM
I like Blue's commentary of Fox and Friends, or as it's now known as, "Two Dudes & A Single Female".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2009, 12:06:42 PM
That chick sure loves playing dumb/naive. Her and Mika from Morning Joe should have their own show together
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 21, 2009, 12:09:58 PM
That could be dangerous. How would they even know when to start the show unless they Googled it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2009, 12:31:57 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 21, 2009, 12:09:58 PM
That could be dangerous. How would they even know when to start the show unless they Googled it?
:lol

"what do I click?"
"is this a touchscreen monitor? dunno"
"internet explorer...that's Microsoft right. so mozilla...Apple?"
"someone told me you don't have to type www"
"oh look, 36 degrees in Washington DC"
"you know, if global warming is true how come it's so cold?"
"lets tweet that"
"you mean google?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 21, 2009, 12:37:08 PM
(http://i49.tinypic.com/jidk05.jpg)

The above picture also doubles as a pre green screen pic of Avatar 2... or some Japanese anime, I forget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 12:46:07 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 21, 2009, 12:09:58 PM
That could be dangerous. How would they even know when to start the show unless they Googled it?

John Stewart explains it. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/jon-stewart-calls-out-gre_n_385158.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Smack, it was laid down. (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/sen-whitehouse-there-will-be-a-reckoning-for-gops-desperate-no-holds-barred-mission-of-propaganda.php?ref=fpb)

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When it turns out there are no death panels, when there is no bureaucrat between you and your doctor, when the ways your health care changes seem like a good deal to you, and a pretty smart idea, when the American public sees the discrepancy between what really is, and what they were told by the Republicans, there will be a reckoning. There will come a day of judgment about who was telling the truth.

I'm glad they are calling them out on their bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2009, 01:20:28 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/jon-stewart-calls-out-gre_n_385158.html

holy shit :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2009, 01:20:28 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/jon-stewart-calls-out-gre_n_385158.html

holy shit :rofl
Did you click the link 2 posts above yours?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2009, 02:10:50 PM
wow I guess I had a Gretchen moment  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 02:23:22 PM
It's ok. I posted the same article here that you posted on gaf... before I saw that you had posted it there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on December 21, 2009, 03:53:47 PM
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FDL has become the go-to place for coverage of the health care bill due to the work of our incredible team. Jon Walker’s second-to-none knowledge of the health care bill has made the policy and political analysis he offers up at  FDL Action a driving force. Dave Dayen’s reporting at the FDL News Desk, Marcy Wheeler ’s research and in-depth analysis at Emptywheel, Laura Flanders’ interviews at GritTV, our FDL team of writers and editors, and our community members at The Seminal provide the most independent and comprehensive picture of what’s happening moment-by-moment on the health care debate to be found anywhere.

So, I asked them to help make it simple: how do we let people know what’s going to happen to them if the Senate bill passes? Everyone put their heads together and came up with a list:

Top 10 Reasons to Kill Senate Health Care Bill

-Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations — whether you want to or not.
If you refuse to buy the insurance, you’ll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS.

-Many will be forced to buy poor-quality insurance they can’t afford to use, with $11,900 in annual out-of-pocket expenses over and above their annual premiums.

-Massive restriction on a woman’s right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court.

-Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-pays.

-Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won’t see any benefits — like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions — until 2014 when the program begins.

-Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others.

-Grants monopolies to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market.

-No re-importation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years.

-The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1,000 a year — meaning in 10 years, your family’s insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now.

Background info on the points can be found at

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/21/10-reasons-to-kill-the-senate-bill/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
If FDL knows so much about the bill, they would know it's not the final version. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
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-Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-pays.

I think it's telling that the FDL writer assumed their audience already has employer-provided insurance, and that it's expensive enough to be subject to the excise tax.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2009, 04:20:36 PM
Yeah, aren't the only plans subject to the tax like in excess of 20k a year or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 04:32:41 PM
Yeah, but it's indexed to inflation (or inflation plus X), rather than being indexed to the growth of health care costs.  So unless the costs come under control, it will gradually affect more and more plans.  But that's sort of the point.  Either insurers figure out a way to keep costs down or they lose out on the implicit subsidy of health benefits being tax exempt.

Generally speaking, the complaints at FDL are about how the bill falls short of the ideal.  Some of the points seem overblown, but they're probably on target for the most part.  But in almost all these cases the bill is still an improvement over the status quo, which is what we're stuck with if it doesn't pass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 21, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
i don't think americans are gonna react well if this costs them anything beyond what they pay already, even if or ESPECIALLY if they pay nothing

again, what happens to the folks that can't afford $10K/yr for their family of four?

single-payer or nothing, honestly
Title: This is what happens
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 05:10:49 PM
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Columns/2009/December/122109Cohn.aspx

(http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Columns/2009/December/~/media/CC9EB727BC494A1BB5FE01E9B71EA036.gif)



wtf is up with all the liberal nihilism going around right now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 21, 2009, 05:16:35 PM
So...are we happy about this bill or what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2009, 05:26:01 PM
If my options are a) this bill, b) the status quo or c) a Republican wet-dream of total deregulation coupled with a mandate to buy shitty insurance then yeah I guess I'm gonna go with option a.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 21, 2009, 07:00:43 PM
most families of four i know below $40K/yr -- i.e. both parents are "39 hour part-timers" with no health care -- pay $0 in health care and rely on emergency room shenanigans!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 07:29:48 PM
Well, true that.

A friend's mom was working two jobs (restaurant and retail) until recently and her husband's unemployable from diabetes complications.  I think she'd jump at a chance for a decent plan at $2k a year, except I'm not sure they ever pay their hospital bills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 07:33:37 PM
See, it's anecdotes like those last two that make me go  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 07:43:36 PM
When I was at a family xmas party on Saturday, my cousin(who is 34) showed us her purple foot from a recently sprained ankle. I asked what the doctor said and she said, "I can't afford to go." She is married and has 2 kids and would probably fit in that 1st or second tier of that chart.
I then gave a dirty look to my uncle whom I've had facebook arguments with about health care reform. He just looked away. I kept my mouth shut not wanting to ruin the day but it was really difficult to hold off on comments I wanted to make.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 07:48:33 PM
It's extremely fucked up, but if you live in the US you internalize it.  Even us hippies who would tear down the whole system don't get viscerally shocked by this stuff.

An acquaintance told me recently how her husband had been laid off his job.  She was working part time and he got a decent severance package, but they suddenly had a three month deadline for one of them to get full time work or they (and their son) would be without medical coverage.  I just nodded and made sympathetic "that's how it is" type noises, because it wasn't surprising at all.

A friend's girlfriend (in her 20's) got diagnosed with maybe-cancer a little while ago.  She works 60+ hours a week, but it's split between two jobs so no benefits.  Luckily her parents are pretty well off and willing to foot the bill.

Oh, and that friend used to work at Denny's.  When he was there, a lawyer in private practice had a second job as a dishwasher so he could get medical.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2009, 07:54:15 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 07:33:37 PM
See, it's anecdotes like those last two that make me go  :o

Green with envy at our best in the world care, huh?  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2009, 07:57:17 PM
I imagine when outsiders hear about this stuff, it's like when Jinfash says something like "if this guy tells people my sister gave out her picture online, nobody will marry her."

For him it's all "meh" but for me it's all "WAT".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 21, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
the trouble is, stupid fucking americans like to pretend they don't need it. this is true not just among 20-something prats but even among folks my parents' age, who will find any reason to justify not spending money on healthcare in this day of subpar employer coverage and/or denial of said coverage, largely because they can't afford even cheap premiums.

the truth shitheel americans need to face is that they NEED single-payer. NEED. obviously, they are welcome to follow the optional  republican plan and die early and painfully, but the rest of us would like to see a real, tenable solution.

lose your useless pride, flag waving figgurts, and submit to proper collectivism :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 21, 2009, 09:02:17 PM
But why should we pay for something that's not a natural right? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2009, 10:08:01 PM
Because it's not 1920 anymore. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 21, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 21, 2009, 10:08:01 PM
Because it's not 1920 anymore. :smug

spoiler (click to show/hide)
it's 1930. :'(
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 10:57:47 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 10:53:35 PM


There may be some that want such a thing, but they're by no means entitled to it.

Why not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 21, 2009, 10:58:39 PM
GAUNTLET THROWN.

Game over, Prole. Game over!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2009, 10:58:58 PM
You're right dude, a cancer patient doesn't NEED access to care that can keep him alive or save him.  He just WANTS it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2009, 11:02:48 PM
So if you work at a job that doesn't pay you well enough to afford said care, you should die.  Duly noted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:00:57 PM

Why?

You're the one who flatly stated they're not entitled to it.

Now, in my opinion, there is room for debate in a society as to what people are entitled to, or not.  That economic and social rights, in addition to political rights, are open to debate in a society.  I actually think that such a debate would be interesting and productive.  Unfortunately, your interest in such a debate seems to end at "well, I believe what Jefferson believed, and he was a Founding Father (TM), so there"

Of course, you are of the position that only the rights you deem to exist, actually exist.  And that they exist because, as you so eloquently put it, they do.

Now, in some countries, the majority of citizens believe that they are entitled to universal health care.  The view of the American people on that subject would seem to be mixed.  Again, of course, in your view, they are not (full stop) entitled to it.  Because you say so.  And any attempt to tease out your reasoning beyond that results in hilarity and evasion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 21, 2009, 11:09:17 PM
Damn, Boogie annihilated JayDubya before Prole could even start. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 21, 2009, 11:02:48 PM
So if you work at a job that doesn't pay you well enough to afford said care, you should die.  Duly noted.

Where did the "should" come from in your reasoning?

My bad.  I should have said "In the Magical Land of Libertopia, those who work jobs as janitors and other positions where they can't afford what the Almighty Free Market has chosen to charge for care they medically need MUST die, otherwise my beautiful logical construct will no longer have meaning."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:12:51 PM

Because they're not, because that's directly at odds to everyone else's rights.


In what way?

I mean, we've certainly done okay here in Canada.  Those with money aren't horribly, horribly oppressed.  We've got a Charter of Rights and Freedoms and a Constitution and everything.

Oh, whoops, sorry to intrude upon your political solipsism.

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Unfortunately what you have elected to opine is wrong, at least if a just society is any sort of goal, let alone a primary one.

You know, "unfortunately, you're wrong" is never a satisfactory response.  Especially when it just sort of hangs there, without support, and in black and white terms.  Enter Mandark with a copy and paste.

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No, and here's where you and Mandark are being deliberate idiots:

I'm so glad that you are able to determine my intent, through the internet.  Tell me, were you born with this ability, or did you have to train your mind to develop it?

 
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all I said is that my wanting something to be so or not wanting something to be so does not make it so.  There is not oxygen in the air in this room because I will it to be so, it is simply so.

No, what you said was this:

Quote from: Jaydubya
No, they exist because they do

Okay, yes, that's me being an asshole, let's try again.

 
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all I said is that my wanting something to be so or not wanting something to be so does not make it so.  There is not oxygen in the air in this room because I will it to be so, it is simply so.

Okay, then what does "make it so"?  What, beyond "wanting something to be so", "makes it so"?

"Rights" are not a scientific idea that exist independent of human experience, history, and perception.  They are ideas that have developed through time, through classical philosophers such as Aristotle, Plato, etc, through to Hobbes and Locke.  And then to the Enlightenment Philosophes such as Voltaire and Kant, and John Stuart Mill , and even to the modern day.

And yet, you never, ever, EVER reference any of those names!  Mandark pokes and prods you, and ALL YOU FUCKING COME UP WITH IS "no, they exist because they do"!

Are you fucking kidding me?!  I don't even have any formal training in political philosophy, beyond the introduction I have been given from my study of history, and I can at least acknowledge the legacy and development of the ideas of political rights throughout history.

BUT ALL YOU EVER OFFER is the dick-sucking of the American founding fathers, a slavish devotion to the original framework of the Constitution, and "no, they exist because they do."

Come-fucking-on, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:30:01 PM
The really hilarious part here is that, as a still-believing Christian, I am probably the closest person on this board to you in believing in the idea of natural rights (and probably the only person with any sympathy for your position on abortion).  Of course, I have God to fall back on for that belief, while we have seen how hilarious it is for you try to backstop your absolute assertions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 21, 2009, 11:32:27 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
Okay, then what does "make it so"?  What, beyond "wanting something to be so", "makes it so"?

"Rights" are not a scientific idea that exist independent of human experience, history, and perception.  They are ideas that have developed through time, through classical philosophers such as Aristotle, Plato, etc, through to Hobbes and Locke.  And then to the Enlightenment Philosophes such as Voltaire and Kant, and John Stuart Mill , and even to the modern day.

And yet, you never, ever, EVER reference any of those names!  Mandark pokes and prods you, and ALL YOU FUCKING COME UP WITH IS "no, they exist because they do"!

Are you fucking kidding me?!  I don't even have any formal training in political philosophy, beyond the introduction I have been given from my study of history, and I can at least acknowledge the legacy and development of the ideas of political rights throughout history.

BUT ALL YOU EVER OFFER is the dick-sucking of the American founding fathers, a slavish devotion to the original framework of the Constitution, and "no, they exist because they do."

Come-fucking-on, man.

:lol awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:37:26 PM

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know I had to name drop to impress you so you'd join in on the reindeer games in a meaningful, non-insulting way.

Oh, my bad.

You're right.  Far be it from me to expect you to ever express some education and reflection upon the history of political philosophy before taking ANY-FUCKING-THING you have to say on the subject seriously.

I should just accept your arrogant, pathetic declarations from on high like a porn star accepts a cum shot from the meatheads that they get to shoot their loads off and respond with "ohh, I love it, baby"

But hey, we can give you another shot.  Here ya go:

Please answer the following question:

Quote from: Mandark
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.

And WITHOUT embarrassing yourself with the following responses:

"For my part, I hold to Jefferson's statement about natural rights from the Declaration of Independence, that they are "self-evident truths," and I simply say I support the notion.  Which I said, and have said before."

and

"No, they exist because they do."

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
a  deity did it" is never going to work as the final word in a society where not everyone agrees upon the nature, capabilities, or the very existence of that entity.

Quite true.  So where does your unflappable self-assurance come from?

Quote
Jefferson asserted in the DoI a belief that rights were endowed by our creator.  I do not share his belief in a creator.  I still think rights are an innate and descriptive part of our existence, the framework for human civilization and a goalpost for its progression.

Re: the bolded, why?  See Mandark's question.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 21, 2009, 11:54:17 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:52:47 PM

I am completely incapable of satisfactorily answering Mandark's question

Fixed.

You're welcome.

It really doesn't prevent discussion, btw.  If anything, it would provide an opening for a more interesting, if overly broad, discussion than your dogma would allow for.


edit:  Just going back for random gems.

Quote from: JayDubya
Where was "intent" mentioned?  You did what you did, and I'm labeling an action.

Please look up the definition of "deliberate".

kthx bye

(seriously, you can't make up this shit, folks)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:12:51 PM

No, and here's where you and Mandark are being deliberate idiots: all I said is that my wanting something to be so or not wanting something to be so does not make it so.  There is not oxygen in the air in this room because I will it to be so, it is simply so.

there is oxygen in this room because of a complex series of chemical reactions and properties that enable it to exist there.
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 10:53:35 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 21, 2009, 08:28:37 PM
the trouble is, stupid fucking americans like to pretend they don't need it. this is true not just among 20-something prats but even among folks my parents' age, who will find any reason to justify not spending money on healthcare in this day of subpar employer coverage and/or denial of said coverage, largely because they can't afford even cheap premiums.

the truth shitheel americans need to face is that they NEED single-payer. NEED. obviously, they are welcome to follow the optional  republican plan and die early and painfully, but the rest of us would like to see a real, tenable solution.

lose your useless pride, flag waving figgurts, and submit to proper collectivism :smug

One problem with you making statements like this is that they make you either a liar or a fucktard (or a lying fucktard) because you know you don't need such a thing, and you know plenty of others that don't need such a thing.

I don't need such a thing.


There may be some that want such a thing, but they're by no means entitled to it.

of course no one's entitled to anything. no-one's even entitled to their lives. but if enough of us want it, for ourselves and everyone else, you get it. we call this democratic society. actually, we just plain call it society, despite the best efforts of kings and individualists alike.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
only lazily berating anyone who disagrees with you.

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:09:48 AM
apparently in jaydubya's world, if people don't want the right to live, they can refuse it, even though it is immutable and inalienable WHAT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 22, 2009, 12:14:00 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 12:01:00 AM
lazily berating anyone who disagrees with you.


Hey, my berating is anything BUT lazy.  These porn star metaphors don't write themselves.

SERIOS EDIT:  If anything, my posts up to the point of comparing your written words to jizz were an honest attempt to get you to debate in earnest.  Unfortunately, you chose to continue to pretend that you are some sort of superior moral being who knows The Moral Truth about Rights.  It was in that moment that I decided it would be more productive to treat you like a plaything rather than a rational human being.

(fun sidequest:  If Mandark can, through his uber-searching skillz, find more than three references by you on this forum to any of the philosophers I mentioned on this page, I will magically be transformed into a "JayDubya cheerleader" who will do your every bidding for a year)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:18:42 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 12:11:32 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 22, 2009, 12:04:02 AM
of course no one's entitled to anything. no-one's even entitled to their lives. but if enough of us want it, for ourselves and everyone else, you get it. we call this democratic society. actually, we just plain call it society, despite the best efforts of kings and individualists alike.

Odd to see you likening liberty to monarchy, when living under the mob rule you laud is little better than being a feudal subject.

Quote from: Professor Prole on December 22, 2009, 12:09:48 AM
apparently in jaydubya's world, if people don't want the right to live, they can refuse it, even though it is immutable and inalienable WHAT

What the fuck are you on about now?

hey, welcome to life. we're allowed to live thanks to the goodwill of others and the fact that we confirm to certain cultural parameters. thankfully, it's a fairly loose set of parameters right now here in fucktard murrica, but there's nothing stopping them from constricting, either, despite any magical thinking about "rights" you might muster.

as for the latter, lemme spell it out:

if someone can't afford medical care and finds themselves wanting to live, should they be forced to die? what if they aren't being rational about it -- i.e. short-term capital gain over longterm life planning? do they still have an unabrogatable "right to life"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 22, 2009, 12:21:49 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 12:16:29 AM
For the record Boogie, whereas previously I was giving you the benefit of the doubt in suggesting that you were deliberately acting obtuse for yuks, I now acknowledge the possibility that you are, unknowingly, just plain stupid.


I hope that satisfies your earlier query.

Well, it satisfies your ability to type in "dictionary.com" and then "deliberate", and then being able to read the resulting words that show up on the screen at least.  Beyond that, I'm not willing to say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 22, 2009, 12:23:42 AM
It's only a dictatorship when the people you vote for have been kicked out on the street. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:27:22 AM
well, i am canceling all my health insurance since my "right to life" will magically proc when i get injured! no need for the coercion of cash and capital from clearly rational individuals to ensure i can live! TAKE THAT, SOCIAL CONTRACTS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 12:27:30 AM
The best part about JayDubya is that he frames his assertions in such a way that it is impossible for anyone to challenge them. It's like arguing with an infant who insists the sky is purple, despite evidence to the contrary, and then states he will not listen to any argument unless you acknowledge the sky is purple.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 22, 2009, 12:30:45 AM
It's also weird how an unborn baby has more rights than a grown human being in his mind.

"I'll protect ya til you're here then you are on your fucking own, leech."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:38:50 AM
so wotcha gonna do when many of us don't conceptualize natural rights like you do, and find nothing immoral about certain constrictions, eh? take away our right to life? you're making my case for me!

aaaand if you aren't gonna protect someone's right to live, who is? i mean, apparently anyone who isn't a cute lil unborn baby, of course, since you like to arbitrarily parameterize things like the rest of us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 12:45:07 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:17:31 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 21, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:07:33 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on December 21, 2009, 11:02:48 PM
So if you work at a job that doesn't pay you well enough to afford said care, you should die.  Duly noted.

Where did the "should" come from in your reasoning?

Unmitigated stupidity.

Again, where does the "should" come from in your reasoning?

Cancer is a disease.  Potentially lethal, depending on the type, its progression upon discovery, and what interventions are undertaken.  Some interventions are fruitful.  Others are not.  Most of those interventions are going to come from others that probably also want things for their time and effort.

You seem to imply things well beyond this on the basis of nothing.

So if you don't have access to the money that others want for the treatment that only they can provide what then?  I know you're a big fan of the era of the founding fathers, perhaps indentured servitude should be an option.  Someone could enter into a contract (something else you love!) with their doctor promising X years of labor for chemotherapy and other treatments... of course, I guess this would also provide the doctors further incentive to keep their patients alive, as you can't possibly collect on someone's indentured servitude contract if they die of cancer! 

Yes yes, it's all becoming so much clearer to me now.  It certainly makes more sense than operating under the basic idea that all humans have an intrinsic worth no matter how much money they endeavor to accumulate and should have access to a certain basic floor of social services.  After all, the Declaration of Independence DID say that we are all entitled to certain basic inalienable rights- life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness- but only if you can fucking AFFORD THEM, you cheapskate jackass.

Tell me more of this magical land of sunshine, puppies and ice cream you speak of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:52:48 AM
really? that kinda prohibits your revolution, dude. guess you got your own set of parameters like the rest of us!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 22, 2009, 12:54:41 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 12:50:08 AM

  It is not involved in your personal decisions that may lengthen or shorten that lifespan.  It is not, well, most of the silly things you have implied.

wait, what?  How does does cancer apply to one's "personal decisions that may lengthen or shorten that lifespan", such things as smoking ---> lung cancer notwithstanding?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 12:55:29 AM
hey, don't be so butthurt. i'm just pointing out that you put a lot of personal restrictions on when someone has a "right to life" and when they don't, and you seem to be pretty intolerant of other folks' definitions. don't let social relativism wear you down, duder; embrace it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 12:55:31 AM
SRS QUESTION- how does libertarianism not basically boil down to "fuck you, i've got mine?" as it's operating philosophy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 22, 2009, 01:08:30 AM
I forget, did Jaydub ever present his opinion on fire/police departments? Are they unconstitutional too?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 22, 2009, 01:09:29 AM
i believe the current dogma reads "i'm a libertarian, not an anarchist" although that suggests a level of nuance their argumentational skills are clearly unready for
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 01:10:47 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on December 22, 2009, 01:09:29 AM
i believe the current dogma reads "i'm a libertarian, not an anarchist" although that suggests a level of nuance their argumentational skills are clearly unready for

libertarians do nuance?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 22, 2009, 01:13:20 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 01:10:38 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 22, 2009, 01:08:30 AM
I forget, did Jaydub ever present his opinion on fire/police departments? Are they unconstitutional too?

I'm pretty sure the federal Constitution doesn't say anything about your city's fire department.

So...we should get rid of them, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 22, 2009, 01:23:13 AM
i thought such things were covered under 'general welfare' clause
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 01:32:23 AM
Well, it beats "they exist because they do."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 22, 2009, 01:45:31 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 01:28:09 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 22, 2009, 01:23:13 AM
i thought such things were covered under 'general welfare' clause

Really?  You thought your city's fire department and police department were "covered" somewhere in the United States Constitution?  You thought that, somehow, if you traced things far enough back, they were the creation of Congress?   :S

Uh..no, I'm not saying that. Unless I'm mistaken, you've stated the government shouldn't be involved in health care, right? Didn't you cite the reason for that being that it's unconstitutional? (having something to do with taking money for the poor rich folk or something)

If you didn't imply this, then I apologize. It might have been FoC, but you guys are normally interchangeable, so...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 22, 2009, 05:42:15 AM
Oh hey!  Skimming the last couple pages, looks like JD's talking about that system of natural rights which he believes in.  This is a great opportunity, cause I find the idea intriguing and want to learn more about it.  In fact, I've got some specific questions about it for him:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 22, 2009, 06:47:25 AM
I don't blame anyone for arguing with JayDubya, cause he's always the low hanging fruit to engage that reminds you you know you're right, but forgive me if I don''t feel like picking clingies off my anus.

...So, how about that healthcare bill?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2009, 09:52:57 AM
:bow Boogie :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 22, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero EDGE™ on December 21, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
Smack, it was laid down. (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/sen-whitehouse-there-will-be-a-reckoning-for-gops-desperate-no-holds-barred-mission-of-propaganda.php?ref=fpb)

Quote
When it turns out there are no death panels, when there is no bureaucrat between you and your doctor, when the ways your health care changes seem like a good deal to you, and a pretty smart idea, when the American public sees the discrepancy between what really is, and what they were told by the Republicans, there will be a reckoning. There will come a day of judgment about who was telling the truth.

I'm glad they are calling them out on their bullshit.

It's a hell of a speech.

Quote from: Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse
The bad behavior you see on the Senate floor is the last, thrashing throes of the health insurance industry as it watches its business model die. You who are watching and listening know this business model if you or a loved one have been sick -- the business model that won't insure you if they think you'll get sick, or you have a pre-existing condition. The business model that if they insure you and you do get sick, Job One is to find loopholes to throw you off your coverage and abandon you alone to your illness. The business model, when they can't find that loophole, that they'll try to interfere with or deny you the care your doctor has ordered. And the business model that, when all else fails and they can't avoid you or abandon you or deny you, they just stiff the doctor and the hospital, and deny and delay their payments for as long as possible -- or perhaps tell the hospital to collect from you first -- and maybe they'll reimburse you. Good riddance to that business model. We know it all too well. It deserves a stake through its cold and greedy heart, but some of our colleagues here are fighting to the death to keep it alive.


I don't think he's right about the day of reckoning, though.

Cause I was really expecting something similar after Obama took office.  I figured that once people saw him get to work they'd realize that he wasn't a radical Muslamonazi whose first order of business was the Kill Whitey Subsidy Act of 2009.  Instead it just got crazier.

The tea partiers will just move on to the next bugaboo (cap'n'trade as a Trojan horse for one world government is the early favorite in a crowded field).  "Gee, this isn't a fascist takeover of the government," they won't say.  "I need to calm down and seriously rethink my entire political epistemology!"  These people are epiphany-proof.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 22, 2009, 03:28:37 PM
The right does have certain advantages, there really isn't a leftward pseudo-mainstream equivalent of their lack of self-awareness or lack of shame. This also lets them say whatever the fuck they want, which while batshit crazy, also lets them move the goalposts to their side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on December 22, 2009, 06:51:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 22, 2009, 05:42:15 AM
Oh hey!  Skimming the last couple pages, looks like JD's talking about that system of natural rights which he believes in.  This is a great opportunity, cause I find the idea intriguing and want to learn more about it.  In fact, I've got some specific questions about it for him:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2009, 08:09:08 PM
If you mean that rights are something which objectively exist outside the conventions of society, please prove it.

If you meant that they don't exist that way, but that society should act as if they do, please explain why.

Either way, show your work.
[close]


Don't you get it, Mandark? A is A. The rest just follows!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2009, 07:10:26 PM
Mandark, I think Obama's biggest mistake was in not giving a sort of "philosophy of Democratic party governing" speech somewhere and making it a big deal that yes, the federal govt. needs to do more than slash regulations and cut rich people's taxes.  He really is too conciliatory, tho- this is not the Harvard Law Review where he can make people on the other side of the aisle feel included by reaching out to them or whatever.  They literally don't believe the govt. should be doing anything and it's a shame that the power structures in Washington continue to fail in calling them out on this sort of nihilism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 22, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Oxygen exists, so why not natural rights ???

I think the oxygen quote was even more damning than the "it is because it is" quote everyone keeps slamming him with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2009, 09:08:21 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/tea-partier-calls-c-span-worried-his-prayers-for-byrd-to-die-got-inhofe-instead.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 22, 2009, 10:03:39 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 22, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Oxygen exists, so why not natural rights ???

I think the oxygen quote was even more damning than the "it is because it is" quote everyone keeps slamming him with.

 You are a dumbfuck because you are.
At least the feeling is mutual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 10:43:36 PM
JayDubya is falling apart. I would call an ambulance, but I'm not sure health care is a natural right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2009, 06:27:55 AM
Stem cells and socialized medicine create a vision-restoring tag team of evilness

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/stem-cell-therapy-restores-british-mans-eyesight/


Quote from: JayDubya on December 22, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2009, 08:45:07 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on December 22, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
Oxygen exists, so why not natural rights ???

I think the oxygen quote was even more damning than the "it is because it is" quote everyone keeps slamming him with.

You can think that, but that would make you a dumbfuck.

Note, you are not a dumbfuck because I say you are a dumbfuck.  You are a dumbfuck because you are.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 23, 2009, 09:02:55 AM
JD's reading like a supercomputer coming unhinged after Captain Kirk gives him some REAL TALK.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2009, 09:39:48 AM
That sure was a lot of words to still not answer the fucking question
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 23, 2009, 10:04:41 AM
SUNSHINE

PUPPIES

ICE CREAM

NATURAL RIGHTS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 10:14:12 AM
It's a law because it just is... like dinosaurs or water!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2009, 10:24:22 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 21, 2009, 11:12:51 PM
No, and here's where you and Mandark are being deliberate idiots: all I said is that my wanting something to be so or not wanting something to be so does not make it so.  There is not oxygen in the air in this room because I will it to be so, it is simply so.

So rights are like oxygen, something imperceptible to the unaided human senses but a physical fact nonetheless?

We know about oxygen because of empirical evidence and theory which have been built up for more than two centuries through controlled experimentation.  Scientists were able to make predictions about the nature of oxygen (and later about the rules of chemistry and quantum physics more generally) which could later be tested and possibly disproved.

That you haven't mentioned a similar body of evidence for natural rights suggests that they aren't like oxygen, but rather phlogiston and aether.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2009, 10:44:17 AM
Yea, that quote is definitely more damning.

But I guess that makes MOI a dipshit. Or something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:08:24 PM
Is it odd that I read that reply in Edward Furlong's voice? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2009, 12:20:09 PM
nope LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 23, 2009, 12:57:24 PM
(http://www.mightygodking.com/images/magic08/lieberman.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on December 23, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
Someone censor Lieberman to Droopy Dog.  All I can think of when I see that douchebag's picture is Jon Stewart's impersonation of him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 23, 2009, 10:31:05 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on December 23, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
Someone censor Lieberman to Droopy Dog.  All I can think of when I see that douchebag's picture is Jon Stewart's impersonation of him.

cosign
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
BOWSY BOWSY BOWSY

(http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/imgs/lieberman.jpg)

As awesome as having Al Gore be President would have been for the past 8 years compared to what we had live through, just think how awful life would be if Lieberman had run as sitting VP and won.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on December 24, 2009, 01:47:17 AM
At least he would've been out of the Senate and probably out of the loop out of the important decision-making, much like Biden seems to be now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2009, 03:00:06 AM
Biden's out the loop?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on December 24, 2009, 03:24:25 AM
He's absolutely powerless. Huahuahua
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 24, 2009, 09:50:01 AM
I remember back in the late 90s when all we (people who waste their lives on nerd message boards) knew about Lieberman was his association with moral panic about video games.  And now look how far he's come.  He's sort of like Pokey from Earthbound.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on December 24, 2009, 12:29:14 PM
Well, I had some time off this summer, so I decided to make an experience of it.  Instead of going to Japan or South America or whatever, I decided that I needed something more liberating.  I wanted to throw off the chains of norms constructed by society and traveled off into the ultimate freedom of international waters.  It was pretty awesome.  I spent almost the entire time free on my raft, enjoying my bluefin tuna without concern for how society and their incessant bitching about the tragedy of the commons would interfere with my right to fish.

It would have been the perfect vacation, but then something went horribly wrong.  You see, I was not the only free spirited traveler of the true land of the free.  Some of my fellow compatriots convinced me to join their business venture.  “Why sure” I thought.  “I’m an enterprising individual.”  Even after it was explained to me that this business venture was piracy and that it involved taking the property of other through force, I continued to be okay with it.

You see, I naively thought that in a state of anarchy, due to the lack of formal institutions, would mean that I could freely take what I wanted without consequence.  Unfortunately, I failed to consider the role that NATURAL RIGHTS would play in this scenario.  How foolish I was, to only consider constructs of society.  It was no sooner than I tried to take my first ship that IT HAPPENED.

A giant force field instantly surrounded my intended target and protected everyone on the boat from my assault.  I barely had time to process what has happening before a powerful voice began booming inside my head.

“Gruco, my son.  You have defied the laws of NATURAL RIGHTS.”

“Who?” I thought.  And then I knew.

It was Him.

The Ghost of Thomas Jefferson.

“My son, do you know nothing?  Those people have the right to life.”

“But Ghost of Thomas Jefferson!” I cried, desperately.  “Are not rights constructs by society?   There is no one to enforce their rights here in international waters.  What use is there to say rights exist when none can be enforced?”

“SILENCE!”  And never had any so known the wrath of the Ghost of Thomas Jefferson before that moment.

“NATUARAL RIGHTS exists because they exit.  So I speak, and it is so.  It matters not on whether they can be enforced.  It matters not whether people know of them.  They simply are.  From now on I will expect you to respect them, or you can expect my wrath again.”

“Oh” I said.  “But, hey, wait, Ghost of Thomas Jefferson, shouldn’t we have like a crash course on NATURAL RIGHTS so that I know exactly what they are?  I mean, I’m pretty sure we can agree that murder is bad, for example, but won’t it get pretty nuanced?  I mean, people have difference preferences and Arrows Impossibility Theorem states…”

“FOOL.  NATURAL RIGHTS are obvious to anyone who so opens his eyes.  I shall not suffer the indignity of discussing something that is so obvious.  Search your heart.  There you will find The Axiomatic Theorem of NATURAL RIGHTS.”

“Um, okay.  I have to say, this almost sounds like a religious thing…”

“LOL, whatever.  It’s pretty crazy to suggest The Axiomatic Theorem of NATURAL RIGHTS is religious.  By hey, shit, I gotta go, I have a hot date with the Ghosts of the Slaves I Used to Rape.  I’ll trust you to spread the good word dude.”

So, when I returned to my pirate comrades, I shared with the word of the Ghost of Thomas Jefferson.  Recognizing the importance of property rights, we gave up piracy and started, I dunno, farming, I guess.  We stopped killing each other in the name of NATURAL RIGHTS.  In fact, in order to further the cause, we decided that it would be great if we could develop some way of protecting NATURAL RIGHTS that would be somehow self sustaining.  We organized rules of conduct and systems of interacton, which we called “Institutions”, and for a time, we lived in harmony with NATURAL RIGHTS.

But, I regret to inform you, this story does not have a happy ending.

Not satisfied with the ability of our “Institutions” to enforce the right to life and property, we grew proud, and in our hubris, began studying the nature of human interactions, and began creating more and more “Institutions” to fix what our scholars referred to as “market failure” and to help our society grow strong.

There were so many.  Eventually we defied the laws of NATURAL RIGHTS, and the Ghost of Thomas Jefferson used his magical force fields to smite our civilization.

Forgive me, Ghost of Thomas Jefferson.

I have failed you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2009, 02:04:25 PM
:bow Gruco :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 24, 2009, 02:54:28 PM
Lmfao. Amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on December 24, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
 :rofl  Oh my god, is that Mandark?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 24, 2009, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on December 24, 2009, 04:32:10 PM
:rofl  Oh my god, is that Mandark?

Nah, that's Gruco from GAF.  Apparently he showed up only to deliver some ether to JD.  Mission Accomplished!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on December 24, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
 :lol

So when's this shit kick in. THIS NIGG@ NEED FREE HEALTHCARE. WELFARE STATE  :gun :gun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 24, 2009, 07:58:55 PM
Uh, it's not that hard.  I believe in Natural Rights because they are part of my Trusted Computing Base.  When I call KeMoralityCheckEx2(0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, (void*)((ULONG_PTR)**ppulRapeAndMurder), 0, 0, 0x2a) it returns E_WRONG.  That code runs in ring 0 and that is good enough for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 25, 2009, 08:29:43 AM
Sounds like you agree with Mandark. The United States of America continues to exist as long as its residents maintain the social contracts that support it.

So as long as everyone agrees that these natural rights exist, they exist within our borders, on our terms. The word "natural" is extraneous because they are completely dependent on our collective interpretation and can only be depended upon in areas we have influence over.


Also, this is a mega-duh but it needs to be said. The DoI and Constitution themselves are nothing more than social contracts that have been unusually persistent - and they have persisted so well because they are so adaptable and can grow along with our society's understanding of what it means to live well together.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on December 25, 2009, 12:09:24 PM
even though I voted green shinobi, part of me is upset JayDubya wasn't even nominated in the annihilation thread  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 25, 2009, 02:54:07 PM
It's Christmas so I'll keep it short

-your only concrete example of why rights exist is the DoI
-DoI doesn't mean shit in China
-the fact that the Holocaust was allowed to happen shows how holy immutable natural rights are meaningless in real world applications without the support of a society
-your points work out philosophically but at the end of the day it REQUIRES SOCIETY TO CARE and enact that caring into law aka social contract
-i wasn't alive when that contract was formed, the mores and rules and expectations that a society has is determined by a society that is alive and communicating and determining its direction
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 25, 2009, 05:53:09 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 25, 2009, 06:25:20 AM
@ Mandark - I'm not sure why you think you benefit from restating a point I've already conceded: a right is not something I can pick up and show you.

So the point of the oxygen analogy was what, again?
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 25, 2009, 08:57:35 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 25, 2009, 09:51:30 PM
distantmantra has lost the will to post :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 25, 2009, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 25, 2009, 09:51:30 PM
distantmantra has lost the will to post :-\

:lol

It was about the Detroit plane situation. I figured it deserved it's own thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 28, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
New Republican talking point: Bush 'inherited' 9/11. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/28/mary-matalin-bush-inherit_n_404949.html)

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR93iKtFlcQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 28, 2009, 03:45:03 PM
Just like Obama "inherited" the economy, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, global warming, health care, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on December 28, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 28, 2009, 03:45:03 PM
Just like Obama "inherited" the economy, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, global warming, health care, etc.

The only thing Obama inherited was his black skin and Muslin bloodlust.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 28, 2009, 03:55:03 PM
I started to read some editorial from a Dubya aide on CNN about health care reform, where he tried to construct the argument that health care sucks because we're all fat and need to make personal choices. He then began to drag out statistics, including infant mortality, to show that our health woes have to do with personal lifestyles and not health care.

He lost me at infant mortality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Draft on December 28, 2009, 04:00:29 PM
No doubt the newborns of 300lb midwesterners are at a distinct disadvantage mortality wise. That's an arduous journey.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 28, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
New Republican talking point: Bush 'inherited' 9/11. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/28/mary-matalin-bush-inherit_n_404949.html)

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR93iKtFlcQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

When Dana Perino said that I dismissed it as a slip. Now I'm wondering whether this is calculated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 28, 2009, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2009, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 28, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
New Republican talking point: Bush 'inherited' 9/11. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/28/mary-matalin-bush-inherit_n_404949.html)

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR93iKtFlcQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

When Dana Perino said that I dismissed it as a slip. Now I'm wondering whether this is calculated.

I think it's the right-wing blame passing from Dubya to Bubba becoming so internalized they'll blurt those things out but not even realize how ridiculous what they just said was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 29, 2009, 12:10:37 AM
Those type of Republicans always try to re-write history. They will run a never ending war in trying to rehabilitate the Bush Years by saying it was Obama who messed everything up, the same way they tried to say Clinton messed everything up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 02:03:57 AM
To be fair, Clinton fucked a lot of shit up - we were just too preoccupied letting the good times roll to really take notice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 03:15:10 AM
Yeah, but all of the shit that Clinton fucked up are Republican deregulatory wet dreams.  Think they're seriously pissed about Gramm-Leach-Bliley or derivatives?  Cause they're NOT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Clinton also dicked around with terrorist intel and half-assed stuff on that front.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 29, 2009, 09:49:20 AM
Tea baggers are just grassroots people. (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/majority_of_tea_party_groups_spending_went_to_gop.php?ref=fpa)

It's so surprising to see republican's nurturing people's fears for personal gain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2009, 11:17:25 AM
Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Clinton also dicked around with terrorist intel and half-assed stuff on that front.

Well, Bush REALLY inherited that from him for the first 8 months or so of his Presidency.  Gotta clear that brush, dontchaknow!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/fox-and-friends-to-obama-quit-it-with-your-big-words-like-allegedly.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 29, 2009, 01:03:36 PM
what alisyn camerota is saying is that she won't feel safe until the scary black man is either swinging from a noose or fucking her, she can't decide which, but she's in a dither and she'd like the smart black man to help her out a bit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on December 29, 2009, 01:25:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2009, 12:49:46 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/fox-and-friends-to-obama-quit-it-with-your-big-words-like-allegedly.php?ref=fpblg

Movie night at my house with my first girlfriend.
Watching Twister.
It's about a wife that's trying to get divorce papers signed by a husband who chases tornadoes to put his balls in them.
At one point the wife breaks down and says "When you said you chased tornadoes, I thought it was a metaphor."

Then my then-girlfriend turns to my entire family and says "Wow. Now she's using the big words."
(She wasn't being sarcastic)
I promptly dumped her after that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 29, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Clinton also dicked around with terrorist intel and half-assed stuff on that front.

Remember when he ordered airstrikes on bin Laden just to distract from Monica Lewinsky? Wag the Dog! Wag the Dog!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 29, 2009, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Clinton also dicked around with terrorist intel and half-assed stuff on that front.

Such as?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 06:36:39 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 29, 2009, 05:54:10 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Clinton also dicked around with terrorist intel and half-assed stuff on that front.

Such as?

It's not exactly news. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansoor_Ijaz#Statements_Regarding_bin_Laden)

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According to Ijaz, the Sudanese government offered the Clinton administration numerous opportunities to arrest bin Laden and those opportunities were met positively by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright but spurned when Susan Rice and counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke persuaded National Security Advisor Sandy Berger to overrule Albright.

Ijaz’s claims in this regard appeared in numerous Op-Ed pieces including one in the Los Angeles Times [3] and one in the Washington Post co-written with former Ambassador to Sudan Timothy Carney .[4]

Similar allegations have been made by Vanity Fair contributing editor David Rose[5] and Richard Miniter, author of Losing bin Laden, in a November 2003 interview with World.[6]

Several other investigations show an administration beleaguered by scandal, lacking the political wherewithal to enact necessary measures, but severely underestimating the severity of Muslim extremists. That's not entirely on Clinton, because it wasn't as if Bush came riding into the White House with strict anti-terrorism measures.

But you have to look back and see Clinton as a populist leader, who let the Republicans have their way with the free market that ultimately cost us dearly. Then you have to look back and see how shortsighted the administration was when it came to terrorism.

As for the argument that he was only furthering a Republican agenda in Congress, I really don't care. How does that excuse the erosion of security measures put in place to stop the financial collapse we have suffered? I expect the Republicans to act greedy and stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 29, 2009, 06:48:36 PM
Yeah, I figured you were referring to Clinton losing Bin Laden. Though factcheck.org did a nice write-up on that.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_bill_clinton_pass_up_a_chance_1.html

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We have to be careful about engaging in what historians call "Whig history," which is the practice of assuming that historical figures value exactly the same things that we do today. It's a fancy term for those "why didn't someone just shoot Hitler in 1930?" questions that one hears in dorm-room bull sessions. The answer, of course, is that no one knew quite how bad Hitler was in 1930. The same is true of bin Laden in 1996.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 06:56:29 PM
Except Ijaz is talking about just a year prior to September 11th, and by that time it was well known that bin Laden was they call in the biz, a terrorist. Saying that we shouldn't fault Clinton for failing to act because he didn't have the foresight to predict September 11th is stupid, because Al Qaeda was a security threat before then. It wasn't like there was this bearded guy having protests in the mountains of Afghanistan; he wanted to fuck some shit up.

As for the relativism to Hitler, the Europeans should be equally criticized for appeasing Hitler when it was becoming apparent that he likely posed a serious threat. I don't buy that argument either.

EDIT: And that article is riddled with the kind of inconsistencies and flip-flopping (on behalf of the politicians, not the writer) that indicate back channel dealings were occuring. There are too many people that have said things were going on behind-the-scenes for it to be a complete fabrication.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2009, 09:02:12 PM
Willco's crazy goper roots are being exposed!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 29, 2009, 09:05:54 PM
Not really. 

Willco's position is similar to how Steve Coll portrayed the Clinton administration's attitude towards Bin Laden in Ghost Wars.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 09:42:43 PM
I'm not a proponent of the Republican rhetoric in regards to the War on Terror (i.e. kill all the brown people), especially after I had my faith in the party firmly shattered by the invasion of Iraq. That said, I think it is silly to excuse Clinton's actions - or lack thereof - simply because Democrats want to uphold this angelic belief that he was the best peace time President we ever had. Clinton fucked up, and the sooner everyone can recognize that, the sooner we can realize the economy and terrorism is not a red/blue state issue.

Also, instead of trying to deny everything, Clinton supporters are better off explaining the lack of response was due to all the hangwringing from the Lewinski scandal. Republicans handicapped the President by creating needless tabloid sensationalism, the administration was cut off the knees, yada yada yada.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 29, 2009, 09:56:32 PM
i prefer to blame clinton for being a centrist, a capitalist, and a populist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 29, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
Sounds like a lot like the current President :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 29, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
indeed :smug

well, except the populism

he needs that teleprompter for them big words :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on December 29, 2009, 10:07:23 PM
Quote from: Willco on December 29, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
Sounds like a lot like the current President
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on December 30, 2009, 12:39:37 AM
Saw this graph on National Geographic.  I love how it makes its point regarding US health care costs and life expectancy versus the rest of the world.

http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876674340970c-800wi

"But my Senator says we don't need Healthcare reform!"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 30, 2009, 01:20:06 AM
Quote from: Rman on December 30, 2009, 12:39:37 AM
Saw this graph on National Geographic.  I love how it makes its point regarding US health care costs and life expectancy versus the rest of the world.

http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226918833012876674340970c-800wi

"But my Senator says we don't need Healthcare reform!"


We are subsidizing Mexico's ascent!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2009, 03:10:19 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/hoekstra_abdulmutallab_should_be_classified_as_ene.php?ref=fpa

And to think this fucktard might be my governor next year  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2010, 04:11:02 AM
Saw this on GAF
http://cynthiadavis.net/PDFs/cpr090604_Summer_Food_Program.htm

Folks, the difference between liberals and conservatives

edit: holy shit this woman can't be real, nor an elected official
http://cynthiadavis.net/PDFs/cpr090924.htm

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on January 01, 2010, 09:05:25 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2010, 04:11:02 AM
Saw this on GAF
http://cynthiadavis.net/PDFs/cpr090604_Summer_Food_Program.htm

Folks, the difference between liberals and conservatives

edit: holy shit this woman can't be real, nor an elected official
http://cynthiadavis.net/PDFs/cpr090924.htm



 :lol

In the first link, she claims that government-provided food assistance is not only unnecessary, but dangerous, because obesity is a growing epidemic and people who are starving surely can't become obese!

As for the second link...S.M.H.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on January 03, 2010, 04:27:31 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/opinion/03sun1.html?hp

I read this earlier and I agree that the there should be more action on the regulation front.  Sadly, the dunderheads in Congress are completely out of touch with the severity of the situation and the need for aggressive bank reforms.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 03, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
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In 1997, after three years of tepid growth, the Japanese government stopped its stimulus: it raised a consumption tax, ended a temporary income tax cut, increased social security premiums and nipped recovery in the bud.

Eh? Isn't that what you're supposed to do in a recession?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 03, 2010, 05:07:17 PM
With the current outstanding crop of congressional leadership, we'll probably get out of the recession about a year longer than what was needed if we did it the right way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 03, 2010, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 03, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
Eh? Isn't that what you're supposed to do in a recession?
Stop stimulus and raise taxes in a recession?

Generally, no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on January 03, 2010, 06:10:54 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 03, 2010, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 03, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
Eh? Isn't that what you're supposed to do in a recession?
Stop stimulus and raise taxes in a recession?

Generally, no.

Well yeah, not the stimulus stuff, but yes on the taxes. I recall seeing quite a few instances when Paul Krugman kept complaining that the U.S. in the only country in the world that doesn't raise taxes during a recession.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 03, 2010, 06:28:38 PM
Can you point me to those articles then?  Because I've definitely seen him approve some of the higher multiplier tax cuts such as payroll tax holidays (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/stimulus-arithmetic-wonkish-but-important/).  The general goal of any Keynesian response is to grow aggregate demand.  This means more spending, less taxes, particularly stuff like payroll or consumption taxes.

I'm generally all for raising taxes in this country, but it's not a Keynesian response to recession.

There are a number of low-marginal-utility type moves that can be done that will have a lower impact, but it doesn't look like that describes what the Japanese were doing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
Yeah, raising any taxes that predominantly hit the middle and lower classes (like a consumption tax) is a pretty sure fire way to screw up a recovery from a recession.  Of course you'd expect a bunch of degenerates like the Japanese to make that mistake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 03, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
Yeah, raising any taxes that predominantly hit the middle and lower classes (like a consumption tax) is a pretty sure fire way to screw up a recovery from a recession.  Of course you'd expect a bunch of degenerates like the Japanese to make that mistake.

and democrats. cap n trade amirite :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on January 03, 2010, 07:35:30 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 03, 2010, 06:28:38 PM
Can you point me to those articles then?  Because I've definitely seen him approve some of the higher multiplier tax cuts such as payroll tax holidays (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/stimulus-arithmetic-wonkish-but-important/).  The general goal of any Keynesian response is to grow aggregate demand.  This means more spending, less taxes, particularly stuff like payroll or consumption taxes.

I'm generally all for raising taxes in this country, but it's not a Keynesian response to recession.

There are a number of low-marginal-utility type moves that can be done that will have a lower impact, but it doesn't look like that describes what the Japanese were doing.

Yeah, I'll search for em, but I think he was referring to raising taxes on the top 1% only, iirc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 03, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
Yeah, raising any taxes that predominantly hit the middle and lower classes (like a consumption tax) is a pretty sure fire way to screw up a recovery from a recession.  Of course you'd expect a bunch of degenerates like the Japanese to make that mistake.

and democrats. cap n trade amirite :smug

Yeah, except the bill that passed the house would cost the average family about $80 a year... and would generate a shit ton of jobs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 03, 2010, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 03, 2010, 07:46:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2010, 07:30:47 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 03, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
Yeah, raising any taxes that predominantly hit the middle and lower classes (like a consumption tax) is a pretty sure fire way to screw up a recovery from a recession.  Of course you'd expect a bunch of degenerates like the Japanese to make that mistake.

and democrats. cap n trade amirite :smug

Yeah, except the bill that passed the house would cost the average family about $80 a year... and would generate a shit ton of jobs.

There was some nice FUD ads from Nebraska a few months back that insisted the cost of gas would go up 97% if cap and trade were passed.  Then it showed a white family standing outside of their suburban home.  Could a suburban family really afford $4 a gallon gas.  I think not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 03, 2010, 10:16:59 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19106865&postcount=52

 :lol Jaydubya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 03, 2010, 10:23:41 PM
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc130/esmith1985/compass.jpg)

It seems like I've moved farther to the left from 2007.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 03, 2010, 10:23:53 PM
He's like Pluto out there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 04, 2010, 12:29:09 AM
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About the first decade of what was to be the Second American Century, the pessimists have been proven right.

According to the International Monetary Fund, the United States began the century producing 32 percent of the world's gross domestic product. We ended the decade producing 24 percent. No nation in modern history, save for the late Soviet Union, has seen so precipitous a decline in relative power in a single decade.

The United States began the century with a budget surplus. We ended with a deficit of 10 percent of gross domestic product, which will be repeated in 2010. Where the economy was at full employment in 2000, 10 percent of the labor force is out of work today and another 7 percent is underemployed or has given up looking for a job.


Between one-fourth and one-third of all U.S. manufacturing jobs have disappeared in 10 years, the fruits of a free-trade ideology that has proven anything but free for this country. Our future is being outsourced -- to China.

While the median income of American families was stagnant, the national debt doubled.

The dollar lost half its value against the euro. Once the most self-sufficient republic in history, which produced 96 percent of all it consumed, the U.S.A. is almost as dependent on foreign nations today for manufactured goods, and the loans to pay for them, as we were in the early years of the republic.

What the British were to us then, China is today.

Beijing holds the mortgage and grows impatient as we endlessly borrow on equity and refuse to begin paying it down. The possibility exists of an eventual run on the dollar or even a U.S. debt default.

Who did this to us? We did it to ourselves.

We sold ourselves a lot of snake oil about the Global Economy, interdependence, free trade and "it doesn't make any difference where goods are produced." The George W. Bush Republicans ran up the deficit with tax cuts, two wars and a splurge in social spending to rival the guns-and-butter of the Great Society.

Abandoning its role as the fellow who comes and takes away the punch bowl when the party's getting good, the Fed kept the money flowing fast and free, creating the tech bubble that burst in Y2K and the stock and housing bubble that burst at decade's end.

To pull us back from the cliff's edge, over which we were headed a year ago, the Fed doubled the money supply, while the administration ran up deficit spending to the highest level since World War II.

Unlike World War II, however, there is no end in sight to these deficits.

The stock market, which flat-lined over the decade, had to surge 50 percent in 2009 to retrieve the worst losses since the Depression.

Everyone, it seems, except for Washington bureaucrats and Wall Street, for whom the bonuses never seem to stop, has been hammered by the sinking home values and shrinking portfolios.

After Sept. 11, the nation was united behind a president as it had not been since Pearl Harbor. But instead of focusing on the enemies who did this to us, we took Osama bin Laden's bait and plunged into a war in Iraq that bled and divided us, alienated Europe and the Arab world, and destroyed the Republican Party's reputation as the reliable custodian of national security and foreign policy.

The party paid -- with the loss of both houses in 2006 and the presidency in 2008 -- but the nation has not stopped paying.

With nearly 200,000 troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and another 30,000 more on the way, al-Qaida is now in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and North Africa, while the huge U.S. military presence in Afghanistan and Iraq serves as its recruiting poster.

Again, it is not a malevolent fate that has done this to us. We did it to ourselves. We believed all that hubristic blather about our being the "greatest empire since Rome," the "indispensable nation" and "unipolar power" advancing to "benevolent global hegemony" in a series of "cakewalk" wars to "end tyranny in our world."

After a decade of self-delusion and self-indulgence, we must stop deceiving ourselves. As Hurricane Katrina demonstrated, the "can-do" nation that won World War II in Europe and the Pacific in less than four years, that put a man on the moon in the same decade JFK said we would, is history.

We have a government that cannot balance its books, defend its borders or win its wars. And what is it now doing? Drafting another entitlement program as we are informed that the Social Security and Medicare trust funds have unfunded liabilities in the trillions.

At the end of the first decade of the 21st century, the question is not whether we will preside over the creation of a New World Order, but whether America's decline is irreversible.


,,,
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 04, 2010, 12:36:18 AM
Things could have been different.

If only we voted for Pat Buchanan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2010, 12:36:18 AM
Too bad that instead of talking about any of that seriously, the teabaggin' crowd will instead keep us focused on the following all important topics:  death panels, the socialist takeover of America, and our Muslim Terrorist President's birth certificate.  Good jon, America!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2010, 12:42:43 AM
Am I the only one that gets creeped out when a person refers to the United States as "the Republic"...


Anyway we had a good run. Its time to kick back and enjoy the slow decline.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2010, 12:48:59 AM
America is the new Sony
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2010, 02:15:31 AM
At least China has delicious food.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 04, 2010, 07:06:18 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 04, 2010, 12:42:43 AM
Am I the only one that gets creeped out when a person refers to the United States as "the Republic"...


Anyway we had a good run. Its time to kick back and enjoy the slow decline.

I'm at this point as well.  There was a good opportunity in this recession to revamp a lot of the infrastructure that was crumbling but instead we got a bunch of waffling around, sweetheart deals that buttfuck the public, and people's top priority wondering whether Osama bin Barack is a Muslin or not.

We're now on the set of Idiocracy and didn't even have to time travel for this one.  Maybe this version will be funnier or something, I dunno.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 04, 2010, 09:09:42 AM
How long before China decides they don't need us around anymore?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 04, 2010, 09:52:03 AM
probably when we have an economic downturn and can no longer buy their plastic junk


oh shi--
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on January 04, 2010, 09:55:18 AM
So when are we getting gubnent medicine?  My mom is constantly sick and her insurance rates at her job more than doubled last year so she can't afford insurance anymore.  Capitalism.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2010, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: archie4208 on January 04, 2010, 09:55:18 AM
So when are we getting gubnent medicine?  My mom is constantly sick and her insurance rates at her job more than doubled last year so she can't afford insurance anymore.  Capitalism.  :american

2014.  Never underestimate the government's ability to move like a fleet of foot glacier.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2010, 01:06:02 PM
The provisions that go into effect immediately:
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1. BEGINS TO CLOSE THE MEDICARE PART D DONUT HOLE - Reduces the donut hole by $500 and institutes a 50% discount on brand-name drugs

2. IMMEDIATE HELP FOR THE UNINSURED UNTIL EXCHANGE IS AVAILABLE (INTERIM HIGH-RISK POLL) - Creates a temporary insurance program until the Exchange is available for individuals who have been uninsured for several months or have been denied a policy because of pre-existing conditions.

3. BANS LIFETIME LIMITS ON COVERAGE - Prohibits health insurance companies from placing lifetime caps on coverage.

4. ENDS RESCISSIONS - Prohibits insurers from nullifying or rescinding a patient's policy when they file a claim for benefits, except in the case of fraud.

5. EXTENDS COVERAGE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE UP TO 27TH BIRTHDAY THROUGH PARENT'S INSURANCE - Requires health plans to allow young people through age 26 to remain n their parents' insurance policy, at the parents' choice.

6. ELIMINATES COST-SHARING FOR PREVENTATIVE SERVICES IN MEDICARE - Eliminates co-payments for preventative services and exempts preventative services from deductibles from the Medicare program.

7. IMPROVES HELP FOR LOW-INCOME MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES - Improves the low-income protection programs in Medicare to assure more individuals are able to access this vital help.

8. PROVIDES NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS IN MEDICARE ADVANTAGE - Prohibits Medicare Advantage plans from charging enrollees higher cost-sharing for services in their private plan than what is charged in traditional Medicare.

9. IMMEDIATE SUNSHINE ON PRICE GOUGING - Discourages excessive price increases by insurance companies through review and disclosure of insurance rate increases.

10. CONTINUITY FOR DISPLACED WORKERS - Allows Americans to keep their COBRA coverage until the Exchange is in place and they can access affordable coverage.

11. CREATES NEW, VOLUNTARY, PUBLIC LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE PROGRAM - Creates a long-term care insurance program to be financed by voluntary payroll deductions to provide benefits to adults who become functionally disabled.

12. HELP FOR EARLY RETIREES - Creates a $10 billion fund to finance a temporary reinsurance program to help offset the costs of expensive health claims for employers that provide health benefits for retirees age 55-64.

13. COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS - Increases funding for Community Health Centers to allow for a doubling of the number of patients seen by the centers over the next 5 years.

14. INCREASING NUMBER OF PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS - Provides new investment in training programs to increase the number of primary doctors, nurses, and public health professionals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 04, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Cheer up you nervous nellies, we've got IMMEDIATE SUNSHINE :cookiem
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 04, 2010, 01:19:35 PM
Where are the death camps, PD?

Where is the bureaucrat between me and my doctor?

Where do I take grandma to get slaughtered?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 04, 2010, 01:22:50 PM
Those are just the immediate provisions, the death camps and bureaucracy will be rolled out next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 04, 2010, 02:11:55 PM
SMH
A completely lost decade.  :(
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2010/01/01/GR2010010101478.html

(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2010/01/01/GR2010010101478.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2010, 02:18:15 PM
I'd love to see these Bush revisionists confronted with that chart. Then they'd finally have a reason to remember 911 happened on Bush's watch

"well...911..."
"but you said a terrorist attack didn't happen on Bush's watch"
"...911 man, 911"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on January 04, 2010, 02:59:19 PM
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5. EXTENDS COVERAGE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE UP TO 27TH BIRTHDAY THROUGH PARENT'S INSURANCE - Requires health plans to allow young people through age 26 to remain n their parents' insurance policy, at the parents' choice.

Freeloading :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 04, 2010, 02:59:46 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on January 04, 2010, 02:59:19 PM
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5. EXTENDS COVERAGE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE UP TO 27TH BIRTHDAY THROUGH PARENT'S INSURANCE - Requires health plans to allow young people through age 26 to remain n their parents' insurance policy, at the parents' choice.

Freeloading :rock

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 05, 2010, 03:20:38 PM
(http://www.salon.com/entertainment/comics/this_modern_world/2010/01/04/this_modern_world/story.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2010, 03:54:09 PM
shots fired!

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi had little to say this afternoon at a press conference following a meeting between House leaders and health care principals. She and other members acknowledged that a number of differences must be resolved between House and Senate bills before a final reform package can be signed in to law--and all are aware that too much tinkering could upset a delicate balance in the Senate, where legislation often must meet a supermajority threshold.

But Pelosi did toss a jab President Obama's way.

Referring to one of Obama's campaign pledges, a reporter asked Pelosi whether C-SPAN cameras would be allowed to film the House-Senate negotiations.

"There are a number of things he swore on the campaign trail," said a bemused Pelosi.


Recently Obama infuriated progressives when he claimed he "didn't campaign on the public option." (He did.)

House Democrats now must pass a bill without a public option. Many rank and file Democrats place the blame for the demise of the public option at Obama's feet, and it's hard to imagine his statement, and actions on that front in the past several months, didn't inspire Pelosi's comment.

Either way: Zing!
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/oh-snap-pelosi-on-obama-there-were-a-number-of-things-he-was-for-on-the-campaign-trail.php?ref=dcblt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 05, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Republicans suck. Vote against them in every way. Make fun of them too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 06, 2010, 12:42:11 AM
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5. EXTENDS COVERAGE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE UP TO 27TH BIRTHDAY THROUGH PARENT'S INSURANCE - Requires health plans to allow young people through age 26 to remain n their parents' insurance policy, at the parents' choice.

Freeloading

I would've really benefitted from this LAST year.  Missed my market window yet again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 09:44:32 AM
So Byron Dorgan and Chris Dodd aren't running for re-election.  Dodd I get but I'm pretty sure Dorgan could have won- that's a seat that will definitely switch to R now, but the CT seat should stay in Dem hands.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 06, 2010, 10:15:50 AM
Ed Shultz is going to run for Dorgan's seat? :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 12:10:25 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 06, 2010, 09:44:32 AM
So Byron Dorgan and Chris Dodd aren't running for re-election.  Dodd I get but I'm pretty sure Dorgan could have won- that's a seat that will definitely switch to R now, but the CT seat should stay in Dem hands.

Dorgan could have won? That's news to me; might as well give the seat to John Hoeven right now

On the other hand while Dodd would have lost his seat, him retiring means it'll probably stay blue lol.

looking more and more like a dem bloodbath in november, but of course the economy+tea bag fucktards could save them

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Dodd and Blumenthal were each tested against the three Republican candidates: Former Rep. Rob Simmons, former Worldwide Wrestling Entertainment CEO Linda McMahon, and financial analyst and Ron Paul activist Peter Schiff. Dodd trailed Simmons by 44%-40%, was tied 43%-43% with McMahon, and led Schiff by 44%-37%. By contrast, Blumenthal leads Simmons by 59%-28%, is ahead of McMahon by 60%-28%, and leads Schiff by 63%-23%.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/poll-blumenthal-already-way-ahead-of-connecticut-gop-senate-candidates.php?ref=fpblg
tied with McMahon lolol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 06, 2010, 12:57:55 PM
Peter Schiff would be the only republican I'd vote for. He's a smart republican who's feet are on the ground.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 01:48:00 PM
No, he's an idiot.  He got all of the general reasons for the recessionary fuck-spiral we're in correct, but somehow draws the conclusion that the answers are all less regulation of the same idiots that did all of this. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 06, 2010, 01:51:24 PM
Oh yeah, forgot he was a republican for a sec.   :duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
Abdulmutallab Indicted By Federal Grand Jury
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/abdulmutallab-indicted-by-federal-grand-jury.php?ref=fpa

But what if he escapes and blows up Comerica Park?

obama grr
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 06, 2010, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 06, 2010, 09:44:32 AM
So Byron Dorgan and Chris Dodd aren't running for re-election.  Dodd I get but I'm pretty sure Dorgan could have won- that's a seat that will definitely switch to R now, but the CT seat should stay in Dem hands.
I agree Dorgan could have won and his retirement is terrible news.  I am really impressed that Dodd is taking one for the team on this one though.  It's been just about the only bit off good news for recruiting/match ups the Dems have gotten since the last cycle ended.  Otherwise been a constant stream of Weak Republican retirements, strong Dem candidates being taken in to the cabinet, and weak Dems getting the governor's nods.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 07:36:56 PM
oh god, the government spending large amounts of money to protect us. wtf obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 06, 2010, 07:39:45 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 06, 2010, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 06, 2010, 09:44:32 AM
So Byron Dorgan and Chris Dodd aren't running for re-election.  Dodd I get but I'm pretty sure Dorgan could have won- that's a seat that will definitely switch to R now, but the CT seat should stay in Dem hands.
I agree Dorgan could have won and his retirement is terrible news.  I am really impressed that Dodd is taking one for the team on this one though.  It's been just about the only bit off good news for recruiting/match ups the Dems have gotten since the last cycle ended.  Otherwise been a constant stream of Weak Republican retirements, strong Dem candidates being taken in to the cabinet, and weak Dems getting the governor's nods.

Take one for the team?  He'll retire into a cushy lobbying job that probably pays more than double what he is making as a Senator now.

A shame about Dorgan.  Unlike that mental midget Peter Schiff, Dorgan accurately predicted how much of a raw deal CDS were since the start.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 06, 2010, 07:58:39 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 06, 2010, 07:56:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 07:36:56 PM
oh god, the government spending large amounts of money to protect us. wtf obama
200 million a year for trial security is fucking insane.  Do the trial elsewhere for fucks sake.

Didn't you guys want Guantanamo closed?  Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 08:02:11 PM
That would be expensive too.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 06, 2010, 08:03:55 PM
Quote from: T EXP on January 06, 2010, 07:39:45 PM
Take one for the team?  He'll retire into a cushy lobbying job that probably pays more than double what he is making as a Senator now.
Of course, but these guys typically need someone else to make the decision for them.  I'm sure there were some words exchanged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 06, 2010, 08:09:22 PM
The security in general for this thing will be expensive.  Even if you have it in some field out in the middle of nowhere in Montana, there will be a lot of money spent on security because of the significance of the event.  Might as well spend the additional $20-30 million and have it in the city of where the event took place at.

Besides, it's totally consistent with the blank check mentality of post 9/11 counterterrorism measures.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 08:45:58 PM
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A new Rasmussen poll suggests Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) is in serious danger heading into 2010, with her trailing all four Republican challengers.

State Sen. Kim Hendren is ahead of Lincoln by 47%-39%; state Sen. Gilbert Baker is ahead 51%-39%. Businessman Curtis Coleman is ahead 48%-38%, and businessman Tom Cox is ahead by an identical 48%-38%. The margin of error is ±4.5%.

From the pollster's analysis: "If the race remains a referendum on Lincoln and the performance of the Democratic leadership in Washington, it could remain a difficult race for the incumbent. If that happens, Lincoln will have to hope for a stronger economy and an improved environment for Democrats nationally."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/poll-blanche-lincoln-trails-all-gop-challengers.php?ref=fpb

She's done, and can't say that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2010, 08:57:29 PM
Ras polls are BS, that's well known.  Not saying she's gonna win, but it ain't at the margins they're claiming.  In fact, if I had to bet I'd say that the Senate shakes out this way:

R's win in ND, AK, and NV.  D's win in NH and OH.  Country becomes ungovernable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2010, 09:09:13 PM
Ras polls were pretty damn accurate during the election, this is known. Nate Silver has called out news stations that cover Ras polls predominately over other polls (lol fox), instead of calling out Ras.

Althoug, Ras was caught lyin', and guess what beltway website was caught peddling said lie without doing the journalistic thing - fact  checking
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/putting-r-in-rasmussen.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 07, 2010, 03:47:47 PM
http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader (http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader)

To show that the tea baggers aren't really racist scumbags, they should probably start busing in more black people to their protests.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 03:55:05 PM
But Oblivion, "niggar" is not a racist phrase as much as it is the name given to the oppressed by their masters. At one time these oppressors were misguided slave owners, many of whom treated their slaves with dignity and respect. Today the oppressor is the government, who enslaves us with taxes. The whips have been exchanged for red tape, but the sting is no different.

We are all niggars now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2010, 03:56:21 PM
"niggar is the nigger of the world" -john lennon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2010, 04:30:03 PM
Lieberman is polling about as popular as herpes in Connecticut after the health care debacle. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/poll-lieberman-hated-by-everyone-in-connecticut-after-health-care-debates.php/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 07, 2010, 04:56:17 PM
Republican strategist can't name one thing the republicans have done for the country in the past 20 years. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/06/todd-harris-gop-strategist-decimated-chris-matthews_n_414205.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 05:13:39 PM
"George Bush kept us safe"
"Except for that one time"
"*stuttering*"
"lol"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2010, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 07, 2010, 04:56:17 PM
Republican strategist can't name one thing the republicans have done for the country in the past 20 years. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/06/todd-harris-gop-strategist-decimated-chris-matthews_n_414205.html)

I always like to point out the "don't call list" for telemarketers when asked if the Republicans did anything right over the past however long, but honestly I'd be hard pressed to name anything other than that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2010, 05:25:19 PM
expansion of americorps, but that was all gwb and a lot of republicans grumbled because it was a clinton program
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 07, 2010, 05:31:23 PM
AIDS relief in Africa, but I understand a lot of that was predicated on spreading abstinence only education.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2010, 08:19:17 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 07, 2010, 04:30:03 PM
Lieberman is polling about as popular as herpes in Connecticut after the health care debacle. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/poll-lieberman-hated-by-everyone-in-connecticut-after-health-care-debates.php/)

I doubt he'll run again. He'll become a lobbyist, probably.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
That would hurt so bad, and I kinda expect it. Voters not getting a chance to kick him out of office would be a shame
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on January 07, 2010, 08:41:48 PM
The guy is sleaze, and Obama and Reid just keep licking his bootheels.  It's pathetic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 08:57:23 PM
They can't do anything about him though. In fantasy land they could vote him out the caucus, strip his chairmanship, etc...but then what do they do when they need his vote on a democratic issue he supports?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2010, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 08:57:23 PM
They can't do anything about him though. In fantasy land they could vote him out the caucus, strip his chairmanship, etc...but then what do they do when they need his vote on a democratic issue he supports?

I'm actually kind of looking forward to this fall's elections, to be honest.  If the dems lose the 60 seat supermajority in the Senate it'll just highlight the fact that the R's exist only to stymie absolutely ANYTHING from getting done, and will lessen the influence of people like Lieberman, etc.  If nothing is getting done, no need to kiss his ass anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 10:19:28 PM
But how will Obama get anything done when the republicans are willing to filibuster everything he does unless they let them craft the legislation? Nuclear option? I guess Obama might consider that if his legacy was in danger and he was no longer able to check off campaign promises with half assed, compromised bills 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2010, 10:28:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2010, 10:19:28 PM
But how will Obama get anything done when the republicans are willing to filibuster everything he does unless they let them craft the legislation? Nuclear option? I guess Obama might consider that if his legacy was in danger and he was no longer able to check off campaign promises with half assed, compromised bills 

No, I think that then the story becomes "hey, we want to do x, y and z which lots of people agree need to be done, and the non-partisan CBO says won't add to the deficit, and the Republicans won't even allow it to be debated.  If you don't like this, don't vote for these assholes in 2012, peace out."

The economy will be anywhere from marginally to much better by election time in 2012 pretty much by default and as a result of the stimulus, so he can take credit for that too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 07, 2010, 10:39:08 PM
although its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to call anything about 2010 or 2012 yet, I don't think things are shaping up to be as bad for the dems as so many people think.  I think at worst they'll end up with some marginal losses in both houses and I wouldn't be surprised to see them hold steady.

The repubs haven't done ANYTHING to earn any votes, they've done nothing but play to their base, an increasingly shrill, self-deluded base that makes their reactionary leaders look temperate by comparison.  Moderates might not be too keen on the donkeys, but they really don't have a better choice, and until the republicans actually get their shit together and start acting like adults, I don't see them retaking big leads on anything anytime soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 07, 2010, 11:04:09 PM
The GOP will just block everything he does and then campaign in 2012 about how he doesn't do anything.

I think the economy will drive 2010.  People voted him and other Dems en masse and want to see some results by November.  People won't expect miraculous turnarounds but they want some tangible form of economic recovery.  People aren't going to be sitting around, thumbs up their asses waiting for the recovery as we hang around the 10% area.  Teabaggers will sabotage a few races with their conservative third party choices but the Democrats will lose out big if nothing changes.  I'm not too optimistic because Democrats are once again on the defensive and are limp dicks in general.  The GOP will be at the top of their game and the Dems are handwringing as per usual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2010, 03:22:32 AM
Yea, the economy will be the determining factor in November. Say what you will about Chris Matthews but I loved how he grilled that gop strategist on the point, lampooning the idea that people are simply rejecting democrats because they're spending so much money. Tomorrow could be the start of good things, with the possibility of positive job growth for December's numbers. Republicans will greet that news with calls to suspend stimulus spending, but I think it will give the senate more momentum to get the jobs bill passed...without republican support.

Unfortunately, unemployment will still be high in November, and regular people will still be hurting. Dems have to convince them that things are getting better, and remind them that the GOP hasn't done shit for them in years. By that time, Obama will have

-passed health care (with many good provisions going into effect early)
-passed an energy bill
-passed immigration reform

Last two should get liberals excited to some extent, even with compromises. And the first one will at least show independents that the republicans are truly full of shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 09, 2010, 01:02:28 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-et-onthemedia8-2010jan08,0,672760.column?page=1

I don't think he is that relevant of a person but it isn't too surprising about the fallout.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Ichirou on January 09, 2010, 09:50:58 PM
It was one of the bigger rightie blogs, but I always knew this was coming.  The guy is basically an atheist, he made tons of posts ridiculing intelligent design, and he thought the religious right was ridiculous....once they started taking over the GOP, I knew he'd defect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2010, 11:45:52 AM
Cough, cough. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32618.0)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 10, 2010, 10:31:29 PM
No surprise that the guy that went crazy over the fictional, invisible bad guys after 9/11 would go crazy over the fictional, invisible bad guys of global warming.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Ichirou on January 11, 2010, 12:28:15 AM
http://nymag.com/news/politics/63045/

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A candidate whose aides were prepared to block him from becoming president. A wife whose virtuous image was a mirage. A mistress with a video camera. In an excerpt from the new book Game Change—their sweeping account of the 2008 campaign—the authors reveal that, inside the Edwards triangle, nothing was too crazy to be true.

Read more: An Excerpt From John Heilemann and Mark Halperin's 'Game Change: Obama and the Clintons, McCain and Palin, and the Race of a Lifetime' -- New York Magazine

This is a great, great read.  Shows exactly how delusional Edwards was (even after the affair was revealed, he thought that if he didn't admit paternity, he still had a shot at becoming Obama's attorney general), how completely different Elizabeth's private and public personas are (publicly saintlike, privately excoriating staffers and even threatening to cut off their health care on a whim), and how horribly Edwards' campaign went off the rails even before '08.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 01:00:53 AM
Illustrations were awesome. Also the business card :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2010, 01:26:04 AM
I told people Edwards was a fucktard long ago. Mandark annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2010, 01:35:58 AM
What's he meant to do, not sleep around?

Have you seen how handsome he is?  C'mon!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on January 11, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
I was an Edwards supporter. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 11, 2010, 02:03:19 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on January 11, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
I was an Edwards supporter. :(
The guy had a good platform, and he sounded like a real, genuine progressive.  I don't doubt that if elected, he wouldn't have been anything slightly above a Palin level disaster, but I couldn't begrudge anybody for supporting him back then.

I had a friend who worked in the Edwards campaign.  He's one of the smartest guys I know.  He never got high enough in the campaign to witness any of the horror stories I just read about (I think), but he was practically sweating blood with his workload and that was before the Iowa debacle.  I spoke to him only once before the run up to South Carolina and I don't think I've ever spoken to a more fatigued person in my entire life, he wasn't just tired, he was weary.  At that point the writing was on the wall, many people had jumped ship, money was running out.

I just wanted to express my frustration at that prick Edwards.  His narcissism put a lot of good people through shit just to prop up his absurd power fantasy.  Its a shame that so many people spent their time and money on a John Edwards that didn't exist, and maybe never did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 11, 2010, 02:07:14 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on January 11, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
I was an Edwards supporter. :(

you an' me both, pal :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 11, 2010, 02:18:00 AM
Pfft, people have known Edwards was a little crazy ever since this story (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1626498-2,00.html) came out.

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Edwards had told Kerry he was going to share a story with him that he'd never told anyone else—that after his son Wade had been killed, he climbed onto the slab at the funeral home, laid there and hugged his body, and promised that he'd do all he could to make life better for people, to live up to Wade's ideals of service. Kerry was stunned, not moved, because, as he told me later, Edwards had recounted the same exact story to him, almost in the exact same words, a year or two before—and with the same preface, that he'd never shared the memory with anyone else. Kerry said he found it chilling, and he decided he couldn't pick Edwards unless he met with him again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 04:07:57 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on January 11, 2010, 02:07:14 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on January 11, 2010, 01:42:06 AM
I was an Edwards supporter. :(

you an' me both, pal :'(
Me too smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 11, 2010, 07:39:49 AM
I was an Obama supporter at the Iowa caucus but I was a big fan of Edwards since he was the only candidate (other than Kucinich) who seemed to be a true progressive.  You know, with his whole "Two Americas" thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 11, 2010, 08:28:49 AM
lol, gg Harry Reid
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 11, 2010, 02:17:57 PM
Teh US is doomed. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html)

In soviet Alaska, Putin can see Palin from his window.
(http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AO116_RUSPRO_NS_20081228191715.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2010, 02:57:51 PM
Annihilation of the GOP's pathetic attacks on Reid
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Sure, it's depressing that Democrats have a Senate majority leader who thinks it's acceptable to use the term "Negro dialect," even in private, off-the-record conversation. It's not just that the term "Negro" was retired about 40 years ago; it's also the notion that there is any one "dialect" spoken by Americans of African descent.

But 70-year-old Harry Reid's gaffe -- he immediately apologized once it was revealed in John Heilemann and Mark Halperin's gossipy "Game Change," and Obama warmly accepted the apology -- has attained near-scandal proportion, pumped up by the right, the shallow MSM as well as a little bit too much debate among Democrats. I dug myself into a hole on this question on Twitter; it can't be debated in 140 characters, so let me try to dig out -- or dig deeper -- with a little more room here.

First of all, I'll share what Reid is quoted as saying. Tangent: I think Heileman and Halperin have probably written an absorbing book (the John Edwards chapter is amazing, and stomach-turning), but if they get dinged for anything, it will be for using a lot of unnamed sources, as well as quoting controversial statements, sometimes firsthand, sometimes with less direct knowledge, in odd sentence fragments. Here's the Reid section:

    "[Reid's] encouragement of Obama was unequivocal. He was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," as he said privately. Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination."

It does feel a little silly to be debating objectionable sentence fragments, although a fuller quote of Reid's remarks might get him in deeper, but there we are.

For Republicans to jump on Reid is both predictable and disgusting. The foolish Michael "Honest Injun" Steele is suggesting that Reid must resign. I think Steele funneled his own book fee to Harper to get them to release "Game Change" this weekend, so the Sunday shows wouldn't be obsessing over whether and when Steele will resign or be pushed out of his post as RNC chair, for gaffing and overspending his way to shame.

I'm glad to know Steele doesn't believe there is any kind of black dialect. I guess that's why he titled his blog "What up?," told the "Today" show in no uncertain terms "brotha's still here" and said the Republican Party had to use hip-hop to reach black voters. No stereotyping there!

Meanwhile, Steele and Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl are shrieking "double standard," comparing Reid's comments to the stunning 2002 musings of former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, who had to resign after he said the country would have been better off if it had elected Dixiecrat segregationist Strom Thurmond president in 1948. Oh sure: One guy is talking, perhaps inelegantly, about why he's wholeheartedly supporting our first black president; the other is wishing the country had elected a racist. That's exactly the same thing!

But I was a little bit bothered to jump on Twitter today, where my world is very liberal and colorful, and hear some Democrats still trashing Reid for his misstatement. You can read the whole thread here. One person suggested that Reid had no business discussing the issue of whether being light-skinned is an advantage for African-Americans, when that issue is in fact regularly debated in the black community. If we're ever going to have our long-delayed conversation about race, white people are going to have to be able to participate even on issues that black people have considered their own. I can't count the number of conversations I had in 2008, with savvy political observers of every race, talking about the advantages of Obama being light-skinned and biracial.

Seriously, does anyone really think it's coincidence that our first black president is a biracial man who came from Hawaii by way of Harvard  (with a little political rough and tumble in Chicago)? If my thinking that means I can't be Senate majority leader ... well, that's OK. I didn't want that job anyway.

Others took issue with the notion of a "Negro dialect," and while the term "Negro" is passé and the idea that there's one dialect spoken by all African-Americans is ridiculous, it's also silly to suggest that there are no words, idioms, sayings or speech patterns common to some or even many African-Americans. During the 1980s, I covered the efforts of some black educators in Oakland, Calif., to get Ebonics designated a language so low-income African-American kids could get English as a second language funding. During the 2008 campaign people noted that not only Obama but Hillary Clinton (with, um, maybe less justification) sounded quite different speaking before black audiences and white ones. Obama is culturally bilingual, and again, if we're supposed to deny that was an advantage for him, we're being willfully blind to the realities of politics.

Having a black president means that issues that some black people think can only be discussed in their community are going to come out in the open. For better, or worse, and in this case, I think better. Harry Reid expressed his thoughts inelegantly, he understands that now, and perhaps we'll retire the term, and the idea of, "Negro dialect." But if progressive racial-justice Democrats don't think politicians of every race size up the field in terms of competitive advantage -- and sadly, even today, accord advantage to African-Americans who put white folks at ease, speak "white" or "standard" English, and even, yes, look "less non-white" -- we're kidding ourselves.

Besides: We have much bigger problems, as a party and as a nation, than the reasons a powerful 70-year-old white politician endorsed Barack Obama for president. Let's get serious here.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/politics/2010/01/10/reid_gaffe/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2010, 03:55:25 PM
If there's one part of politics that wears on me (which doesn't rhyme with "Schmoe Feeberman"), it's the constant phony outrage.

When Michael Steele was my lieutenant governor, his response to Bob Ehrlich holding a fundraiser at a whites-only country club was that "I don't play golf."  It's a little late for him to decide he's Malcolm X.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2010, 03:59:52 PM
why u hatin on Steele dawg?
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I'm trying really hard to understand why Harry Reid's comments about Barack Obama's electability were offensive. Do people seriously dispute that light-skinned African Americans have traditionally been more palatable to white Americans? We literally have studies on this subject. Is there a real argument over whether African American politicians use different cadences in front of primarily black audiences? Ask a political reporter about this sometime. Or go read any of the coverage from any speech Barack Obama has ever given at a black church, which inevitably will mention his "classical preacher's cadence," a description you will not find in any of the write-ups of, say, his health-care speech to the Congress.

It's weird, of course, that Reid used the word "negro" as opposed to "black" or "African American." But that seems to have a lot more to do with age than with racial attitudes. After all, Reid is the same guy who, In 2007, told Obama, "If you want to be president, you can be president now." Reid has also spent the past year working to push Obama's agenda through Congress and make sure the nation's first African American president has a successful first term and a good shot at reelection. If that's what counts for racism these days, then America has come a long way.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/reid_and_obama.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2010, 05:16:37 PM
In news that should surprise no one, unemployed blogger Sarah Palin signs on to contribute to Fox News.  You betcha!  Also. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/sarah-palin-to-contribute-to-fox-news/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 11, 2010, 05:37:00 PM
I hope they also hired her facebook ghostwriter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2010, 05:53:17 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on January 11, 2010, 12:28:15 AM
http://nymag.com/news/politics/63045/

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A candidate whose aides were prepared to block him from becoming president. A wife whose virtuous image was a mirage. A mistress with a video camera. In an excerpt from the new book Game Change—their sweeping account of the 2008 campaign—the authors reveal that, inside the Edwards triangle, nothing was too crazy to be true.

Read more: An Excerpt From John Heilemann and Mark Halperin's 'Game Change: Obama and the Clintons, McCain and Palin, and the Race of a Lifetime' -- New York Magazine

This is a great, great read.  Shows exactly how delusional Edwards was (even after the affair was revealed, he thought that if he didn't admit paternity, he still had a shot at becoming Obama's attorney general), how completely different Elizabeth's private and public personas are (publicly saintlike, privately excoriating staffers and even threatening to cut off their health care on a whim), and how horribly Edwards' campaign went off the rails even before '08.


Not a fan of Halperin. He's the example of how "Politico" style faux reporting has come to dominate internet news. That piece reads like a not exactly balanced piece of writing but instead a juicy salacious gossip piece which is probably the point.

That being said I don't doubt most/all of it is true.

I won't pretend to have psychic insight into the true morals of others like some people do but Edwards did come off a bit like a phony in much the same way the Mitt Romney does or any of the more "charismatic" types often do where you get the sense even the unscripted moments have been scripted. That was the main reason I didn't support him in the primaries even though his platform was appealing to any Democrat. I thought he would have a hard time convincing people he was earnest unlike Obama or Hillary would.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 11, 2010, 06:06:11 PM
Edwards was a phony.  However there wasn't much evidence to lead me to believe he would renege on his "Two Americas" solutions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: bork on January 11, 2010, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 11, 2010, 05:16:37 PM
In news that should surprise no one, unemployed blogger Sarah Palin signs on to contribute to Fox News.  You betcha!  Also. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/sarah-palin-to-contribute-to-fox-news/)

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7LBtRGCd8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 11, 2010, 07:06:44 PM
Does she have a lazy eye?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2010, 07:07:25 PM
speaking of douchebags

[youtube=560,345]Hms1dtIq7xA[/youtube]
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Appearing on Hardball tonight, former Rep. Harold Ford (D-TN) made a clear declaration for Chris Matthews, as Ford gears up to challenge appointed Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand in the New York Democratic primary.

Ford, who lost a Senate campaign in his native Tennessee in 2006, said that he lives in New York, he and his wife plan to start a family there, and he's paid taxes there. "And once you pay taxes there, you feel like a New Yorker," Ford quipped.

Matthews asked Ford to declare that he is a New Yorker. Ford replied: "I am a New Yorker. I am a New Yorker. I am a New Yorker. I am a New Yorker." It was certainly entertaining -- and if this New York thing doesn't work out, he'll have no chance of ever running for office in Tennessee again.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/harold-ford-i-am-a-new-yorker-i-am-a-new-yorker-i-am-video.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2010, 09:00:17 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/01/09/irish-mrs-robinson-bangs-teenager-may-bring-down-government

She breaks her vows after 40 years to bang a 19 year old while at the same time making comments about how destructive homosexuality is, despite the fact that she's the MP's wife and such an affair would cause huge political backlash and turmoil in a region not really known for being too peaceful.

The best thing is how gay mags are trying to make pin-ups of the kid though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on January 11, 2010, 09:00:17 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/01/09/irish-mrs-robinson-bangs-teenager-may-bring-down-government

She breaks her vows after 40 years to bang a 19 year old while at the same time making comments about how destructive homosexuality is, despite the fact that she's the MP's wife and such an affair would cause huge political backlash and turmoil in a region not really known for being too peaceful.

The best thing is how gay mags are trying to make pin-ups of the kid though.
A bit over dramatic ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
When you have poor vocabulary,  you have to exaggerate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2010, 09:55:17 PM
lol silly europeons obsessed with sex scandals!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on January 11, 2010, 10:14:20 PM
That guy was highly paid. I find it more amusing that Mrs. Robinson song sales went up 1200%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2010, 01:58:31 AM
Liz Cheney embarrassing herself at the grown ups table
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/george-will-takes-on-liz_n_417733.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2010, 02:02:02 AM
It's kinda weird that in recent years she has become the face of Neo-conservatism.

I say that mainly because she is not a very good advocate for it. You would think they would go with somebody else, especially somebody without all the Cheney baggage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 12, 2010, 02:33:18 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 12, 2010, 02:02:02 AM
It's kinda weird that in recent years she has become the face of Neo-conservatism.

I say that mainly because she is not a very good advocate for it. You would think they would go with somebody else, especially somebody without all the Cheney baggage.

That is because there is no structured Republican leadership at the moment.  It's basically a free for all currently.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 12, 2010, 08:05:59 AM
Quote from: Good Day Sir on January 11, 2010, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 11, 2010, 05:16:37 PM
In news that should surprise no one, unemployed blogger Sarah Palin signs on to contribute to Fox News.  You betcha!  Also. (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/sarah-palin-to-contribute-to-fox-news/)

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7LBtRGCd8[/youtube]

Even her reading from a teleprompter is nails on a chalkboard :maf

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2010, 01:58:31 AM
Liz Cheney embarrassing herself at the grown ups table
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/george-will-takes-on-liz_n_417733.html

"All of us hope that this Nation is one where we're judged by the content of our character"

So says the bitch whose daddy voted for apartheid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2010, 02:08:19 PM
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EJ Dionne sketches out the likely outcome of the House-Senate negotiations:

    Over the past week, I've talked with key figures in the House, Senate and White House, and the outlines of a deal are becoming reasonably clear. The public option is, alas, dead. But the idea of setting up a national insurance exchange -- alongside state exchanges -- where the uninsured can buy coverage is very much alive. The House is demanding this as the price for giving up on the public plan, and a national exchange would provide for much more consumer-friendly regulation of health insurance policies.

    Almost everyone in both houses wants to find ways of making insurance more affordable. Steps in this direction would include more generous subsidies for the purchase of insurance than those in the Senate bill and expanding its Medicaid provisions. The bill's price tag will grow from the Senate's $871 billion over a decade, probably to somewhere between $930 billion and $950 billion.

    The tax on "Cadillac" insurance plans, opposed by both organized labor and the insurance industry, is likely to be scaled back but not eliminated. Currently, the Senate bill includes a 40 percent excise tax on high-end health insurance plans -- those at or above $23,000 for families and $8,500 for individuals.

    Many opponents would settle for raising that ceiling to $28,000 for families, with a comparable increase for individuals. That would reduce the number of policyholders covered by the levy. But because of fierce resistance to the tax from a large group of House Democrats, this could prove to be one of the most vexing issues in the negotiations.

    In the meantime, negotiators are looking to extend to all states a version of the special deal that saved Sen. Ben Nelson's home state of Nebraska from the bill's increased Medicaid costs. Nelson himself is pushing for this change, which would cost $25 billion to $30 billion over 10 years. One solution: somewhat more modest across-the-board Medicaid relief to all states.

This basically tracks with what I'm hearing. The Medicare Commission remains unsettled, and the way the excise tax is valued might change. In particular, it may be tied to actuarial value rather than total cost, or it may account more directly for age. The precise mix of insurance regulations might shift as well, as the House has a stronger set than the Senate does. But broadly speaking, people aren't expecting much in the way of surprises.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/previewing_the_final_health-ca.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2010, 02:26:42 PM
Harold Ford is a fucktard
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Q. Guns. Let's talk about this issue.

A: I never got an A rating, like my opponent -- would-be opponent -- has enjoyed. I don't own them. I do shoot them, and I shoot them at things that can't shoot back. And will continue to do that. And by that, I want to be clear, I don't mean children. I have done a little bird hunting in my day.
:rofl

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Q. ... Have you traveled all five boroughs?

A. I will tell you what I did. I was able to do it. Kelly had a -- Chief Kelly, [NYPD] Commissioner Kelly -- invited, I guess, business people in the city, including Sir. Harold Evans, in my group. We spent the afternoon with the special operations force, and so I had the chance to helicopter to various areas in the boroughs. The only place I have not spent considerable time is Staten Island.

Q. Have you been to Staten Island?

A. I landed there in the helicopter, so I can say yes.
smh
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/ford-in-the-nyt-i-dont-shoot-children.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2010, 02:37:50 PM
he's got my vote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2010, 04:48:05 PM
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Q. Jets or Giants?

A. I had breakfast about every morning when I am in town, or I should say, several mornings, at the Regency. I see my friends the Tisches. [Giants owner] Steve Tisch is my close personal friend. I have been to more Giants games. I spent the holidays, I had lunch over the holidays with [Jets owner] Woody Johnson. We met for the first time. I am happy for his team.

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2010, 02:54:31 PM
[youtube=560,345]TgBmQMSmCrY[/youtube]
annihilated

Who told him this was a good idea. Once he loses, it's not like he can go back to Tennessee after saying "I'm a New Yorker" and flip flopping on abortion and gay marriage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 14, 2010, 03:23:45 PM
Remember when James Carville wrote a hit piece on Howard Dean for the Democrats' weak performance in 2006 (!!!) and said Ford should be the party chair?

Heady days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2010, 03:34:24 PM
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Carville likened the Democratic takeover of Congress to the civil war battle at Gettysburg, which the Union army won but failed to pursue the Confederate army when it retreated.

“We should have chased them down,” Carville said. There was no immediate response from Dean or the DNC.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/washington/washington/entries/2006/11/15/carville_says_d.html

Heh. Also, didn't he want Zell Miller as Gore's vp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 14, 2010, 05:24:51 PM
Alan Grayson is beyond awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks#p/u/9/whF-dX-eQgA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on January 14, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]VA_yVbrMEPo[/youtube]

Oh god. This is going to be a gold mine of footage in the years to come.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 14, 2010, 09:02:05 PM
Hooooooooooolleeeeeee shit :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 14, 2010, 09:07:18 PM
I am stunned that you can visibly see her stalling to come up with George Washington. That was painful to watch. I think she may have gotten dumber since the election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TEEEPO on January 14, 2010, 09:12:16 PM
NO WONDER WRONG THREAD DUMDUMDUM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on January 14, 2010, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on January 14, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]

Oh god. This is going to be a gold mine of footage in the years to come.

bahahahahahaha

She might as well have said colonel sanders.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 14, 2010, 09:35:36 PM
Why can't the media leave poor Sarah alone?

Stupid Glenn Beck and his gotcha journalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on January 14, 2010, 09:35:49 PM
And obviously the answer is Franklin. Dude's rollin in... Benjamins...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2010, 09:58:56 PM
[youtube=560,345]twosydbZIjI[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on January 14, 2010, 10:11:58 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on January 14, 2010, 09:07:18 PM
I am stunned that you can visibly see her stalling to come up with George Washington. That was painful to watch. I think she may have gotten dumber since the election.

I forget who said it, but they were right when stating that some republicans are actually intelligent, but make an attempt to seem dumber to appeal to their base. Whereas with Sarah, she makes a genuine attempt to remain as ignorant as humanly possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2010, 12:19:05 AM
Quote from: Doghouse Riley
What a lot of us realized during the Reagan administration, i.e., as it was happening--and what would be made manifest in 1996, when Falwell, Reed, Dobson, and their ilk blessed the candidacy of Bob Dole (R-ADM)--is that the Snake Handling and Ammo Hoarding constituencies of the Republican party would never, ever, understand they were being played. (Though, in fairness, the Second Amendment crowd pretty much gets what it wants legislatively, due both to an historically less penurious approach to divvying up the weekly offering, and the fact that most government officials live far enough away from the automatic weapons fire that they don't give a fuck. Playing that gang involves the same process, though: 1. Read bumper-sticker slogan. 2. Collect donations.) Palin merely (and I emphasize merely) represents the full flowering of the movement: the Played are now the Players, and the fifteen IQ points that might've saved 'em are now gone like a meth-addict's teeth.

That's a pretty ungenerous way to put it, but it's too fun not to share.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 12:26:35 AM
shots injected fired
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2010, 04:27:23 AM
lol

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billmaher: Did u see Palin on O Reilly yesterday? She's still got it And by it I mean brain damage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2010, 09:08:40 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: I really hate this kinda stuff
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2010, 03:08:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]zY31n_P5aFM[/youtube]

    KUDLOW: If you were elected Senator, what would you do about the 10% unemployment rate, which may or may not be 10% if and when you get in? But, what are your general solutions to the high unemployment and worries about the economic recession?

    RUBIO: Well the problem is the people in Washington don’t understand what’s causing it. They think that Presidents and Senators are job creators and they’re not. The job creators are people who have access to money, whether it’s their own or borrowed, who use that money to open up a new business or expand an existing one. And they’re not doing that right now because of the tax chaos and all the regulatory chaos and all of this uncertainty created in Washington DC. Perhaps the most stimulative thing they can do right now is take a two year recess or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2010, 03:45:33 PM
WWRD

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
Good to see Gingrich isn't the only ideas man on the right
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
I swear, if Obama's agenda gets kneecapped by the Democrats blowing a special Senate election in Massachusetts, I'm going to give this country such a glaring-at.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 18, 2010, 07:06:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 18, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
I swear, if Obama's agenda gets kneecapped by the Democrats blowing a special Senate election in Massachusetts, I'm going to give this country such a glaring-at.

I've been pre-emptively glaring at the country since about Friday afternoon.  Of course, Brown will lose in 2012 when the seat is up again but in the meantime it sure will suck.  Supposedly the MA Secretary of State can drag his feet to certify the election for a couple of weeks so I'm pretty sure healthcare will get done in the interim but the crowing of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows in the meantime will be pretty much unbearable.

Basically, if the economy doesn't start seriously improving by this November America might not even be around in 2012 for the world to end on us in December. 

But this is just exhibit 2343048308903890 in the "Democrats sure do suck at strategy" meme.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
Dems are getting swept the fuck out in November. This is pathetic.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 18, 2010, 07:23:01 PM
The natural position of the Democrat is a tail tucked between their legs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 18, 2010, 07:33:53 PM
Even if they pull off healthcare with the various exit strategies, everything else is pretty much out of the question.  I'm not glaring at the country at that point.  Probably more like crying.  Lots of crying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2010, 07:38:18 PM
Sounds like they can pass it within the couple weeks it'll take to seat Brown. But as you said, after that you can kiss a good deal of Obama's agenda goodbye. There will be some republican support on energy (Graham), but what about financial reform? Or student loans? Or immigration?

Romney 2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 18, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 18, 2010, 07:33:53 PM
Even if they pull off healthcare with the various exit strategies, everything else is pretty much out of the question.  I'm not glaring at the country at that point.  Probably more like crying.  Lots of crying.

Oh well, America had a good run.  It's a shame that a 30% crazed teabagging minority of nimrods will be able to sink the country, but it just goes to show you that if we'd gone with my plan of throwing all stupid people into the sun, we wouldn't have to essentially dissolve the Federal govt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 18, 2010, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on January 18, 2010, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 18, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 18, 2010, 07:33:53 PM
Even if they pull off healthcare with the various exit strategies, everything else is pretty much out of the question.  I'm not glaring at the country at that point.  Probably more like crying.  Lots of crying.

Oh well, America had a good run.  It's a shame that a 30% crazed teabagging minority of nimrods will be able to sink the country, but it just goes to show you that if we'd gone with my plan of throwing all stupid people into the sun, we wouldn't have to essentially dissolve the Federal govt.

Your plan is flawed, as you would be sending the majority of the federal government into the sun, thus dissolving it.  On the other hand, either way, essentially dissolving the federal government...  :hyper

Unfortunately, you wouldn't be around to see it happen.  Oh the ironing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 18, 2010, 11:51:02 PM
I live in Mass. and this whole thing has the state in some sort of red alert. Also, Scott Brown's TV Spots are hilariously low budget but he has two smokin' daughter to shill for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
I guess we know who you're voting for :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 18, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
Brown will be so toast in two years.  I guess that's the only silver lining, is that President Palin will have one fewer Republican in the Senate after 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 19, 2010, 12:01:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2010, 11:57:13 PM
I guess we know who you're voting for :teehee

:shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Ganhyun on January 19, 2010, 10:37:54 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 18, 2010, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 18, 2010, 07:33:53 PM
Even if they pull off healthcare with the various exit strategies, everything else is pretty much out of the question.  I'm not glaring at the country at that point.  Probably more like crying.  Lots of crying.

Oh well, America had a good run.  It's a shame that a 30% crazed teabagging minority of nimrods will be able to sink the country, but it just goes to show you that if we'd gone with my plan of throwing all stupid people into the sun, we wouldn't have to essentially dissolve the Federal govt.

The problem with your idea is that who decides who/what is stupid? Though by your leanings and ways I'm guessing you mean anyone who isn't a Democrat is stupid and needs to be thrown into the sun.  :P 

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Someone else mentioned this at work. I figured I'd share it with you  guys (though I know you wont believe it and will dismiss it).

America is not a far right or far left country. It is a moderate/somewhat (not a whole lot) right leaning country. The only thing that changed alot in the last 10-12 years was people's party affiliation as they grew tired of/disliked either side's policies/agenda.

Just like Republicans have done before, Democrats now think that since they won so handily, they have the right to railroad whatever they think is right through and pass it. However, in the honest truth, the majority of the people just wanted change from Bush, but not change THAT FAR to the left.

And this is being reflected in Massachusetts.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 19, 2010, 10:45:09 AM
Quote from: Ganhyun on January 19, 2010, 10:37:54 AM
America is not a far right or far left country. It is a moderate/somewhat (not a whole lot) right leaning country. The only thing that changed alot in the last 10-12 years was people's party affiliation as they grew tired of/disliked either side's policies/agenda.

I agree that it  is neither, but above all else right now it's a pragmatic, results-oriented country that wants to see things change. I don't think Democrats are paying the price for being too far to the left, I think they are paying the price that any party pays due to the incredibly fucked up/unresponsive nature of the institutions in play.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 19, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
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Just like Republicans have done before, Democrats now think that since they won so handily, they have the right to railroad whatever they think is right through and pass it.

which is precisely why the democrats are totally ignoring the republicans in the house and senate and not trying to get them on board for various policies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
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Democrats now think that since they won so handily, they have the right to railroad whatever they think is right through and pass it.
Obama was voted in for his ideas of what needed to change. He's not doing anything he didn't campaign on. Nothing is being railroaded in. It would only feel that way if you listened and  to the bullshit conservative media.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 10:48:53 AM
I think that people want us to make a fast, hard turn into new things/practices/laws etc.  Well, not all people- there are some idiots like the teabaggers that only have a bare grasp on what they THINK they know.  But the point is, the country can't change quickly.  Unfortunate, but true.  We're not a jet ski, but a big, dumb hulking ocean liner that needs a couple of miles to stop and turns very slowly.  Try turning one of those stupid things around and going in a new direction.  It ain't easy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 19, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
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Just like Republicans have done before, Democrats now think that since they won so handily, they have the right to railroad whatever they think is right through and pass it.

which is precisely why the democrats are totally ignoring the republicans in the house and senate and not trying to get them on board for various policies.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but the Republicans pretty much decided after the election in 2008 that the best way to get back into power was to scream "Socialism!" at the top of their lungs whenever Obama tried to do anything and just vote against it en masse.  They've made no good faith efforts to actually govern whatsoever, and the few that do get labeled traitors by the far right nutjobs like Erick Erickson from RedState or whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on January 19, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
Quote from: Eric P on January 19, 2010, 10:47:21 AM
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Just like Republicans have done before, Democrats now think that since they won so handily, they have the right to railroad whatever they think is right through and pass it.

which is precisely why the democrats are totally ignoring the republicans in the house and senate and not trying to get them on board for various policies.

Right, and this is being seen by a lot of middle ground people as pushing policies/agendas through and not cooperation.  I agree that its happened before. And likely will continue to happen on both sides.

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 19, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
Obama was voted in for his ideas of change.

This I agree with. Most people, in my co-worker's and my opinion, simple wanted anything but more Bush/Bush-type policies.



Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 19, 2010, 10:48:53 AM
I think that people want us to make a fast, hard turn into new things/practices/laws etc.  

Part of the whole "I want it now culture"

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 19, 2010, 10:48:53 AM
Well, not all people- there are some idiots like the teabaggers that only have a bare grasp on what they THINK they know.

People who believe strongly in things react loudly and harshly to things they dont like/want. That goes both ways. I recall Liberals who disagreed with Bush/Republican policies (such as the Irag war)camping out at his ranch in Texas protesting. Or kicking the military out of their city.

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 19, 2010, 10:48:53 AM
But the point is, the country can't change quickly.  Unfortunate, but true.

Change usually is slow and usually never easy. Thats true of anything to be honest.

The thing is, right now, as far as Health Care Reform goes, people are split about 50/50 for the most part on this. When you break it down even further, you have groups thinking its too far, not far enough, not enough compromise, etc...

But alas, this was one of the things we were warned about. IIRC, wasn't it Washington who pleaded that we not adopt a 2 party system to prevent something such as this from happening?


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 19, 2010, 11:56:52 AM
I'd be more sympathetic to people complaining about pushing through agendas/policies without the other party's contribution if it weren't for the behavior of the Republican leadership over the past year. Working with them to meet some sort of common ground is something they have been completely disinterested in.

It's like asking a friend if he wants to go get Indian or Mexican, hell anything, for lunch, and instead he keeps insisting that we should go to AutoZone and drink motor oil instead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
I can't believe this is allowed on the air.  :lol :lol
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/fox-and-friends-suggests-brown-win-will-boost-your-401k-video.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 04:47:23 PM
:rofl

also some hope for Croakley

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Former Kennedy aide does the math for a Coakley win

It starts with the numbers for the primaries a month ago: 650,000 Democrats voted, and 160,000 Republicans. Commonwealth Secretary Bill Galvin on Monday estimated that 1.6 to 2.2 million would turn out on Tuesday. For reference, in the November 2008 presidential election, turnout was 3 million.

"My gut -- and early calls -- tell me we're well on the low side of the Galvin estimate because of weather," Parker says, "but we'll make at least 1.2 million easily.

"There are 490,000 registered Republicans in the state. If three-quarters of them turn out -- a big 'if' -- that means Brown needs at least 300,000 independents. Meanwhile, if just the same number of Dem ALONE as showed up in December show up today, Martha wins.

"We'll see. In retail politics, after billions spent on media and contact, it's all turnout, turnout, turnout."

According to the MA sec of state, turnout is up 130% in Boston, and is up overall across the state
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 19, 2010, 06:19:05 PM
I wish that Democrats would railroad legislation in.  It's how the Republicans rolled from 9/11 to the tail end of 2006.

It is what the people want as well.  2008 was a sound rejection of Reaganomics and authoritarian Republicans who are always willing to throw the public under the bus to ensure their butt buddies rake in cash.

2010 will be a voting of Democrats out because they're not enthusiastic about what they've done (which appears to be very little).  I don't know why some people think voting in more Republicans would be the solution but some do...

I still think Obama has 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fragamemnon on January 19, 2010, 06:25:46 PM
Quote from: T EXP on January 19, 2010, 06:19:05 PM
2010 will be a voting of Democrats out because they're not enthusiastic about what they've done (which appears to be very little).  I don't know why some people think voting in more Republicans would be the solution but some do...

I still think Obama has 2012.

I think most 2010 losses will be attributable more to erosion in Democratic enthusiasm than any real GOP demographic gains. Sure, they might gain a few "independents", but most of those are people too (rightfully) ashamed to be associated with the Republican Party or are faux-libertopians voting against the nanny state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 06:28:03 PM
I really don't see any sense of urgency or strategy from the WH right now. They let Baucus/Snowe run the clock out, now they're reaping the consequences. To make matters worse, Obama really didn't lead on the issue. He went out campaigning for a bit after his speech/"you lie", but that was about it.

Dems are going to get fucked in 2010; more because of the economy and a lack of enthusiasm on the left than due to anyone liking republican "ideas." They won't lose the senate but I could see the house changing sides or getting uber close. Unemployment will still be high, and we don't know what dems will even get done between now and November; with 59 senators they certainly won't be getting the base excited on many issues.

I could see Obama losing as young people lose hope, moderates jump ship, and promises made disappear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 19, 2010, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on January 19, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
People who believe strongly in things react loudly and harshly to things they dont like/want. That goes both ways. I recall Liberals who disagreed with Bush/Republican policies (such as the Irag war)camping out at his ranch in Texas protesting. Or kicking the military out of their city.

Surely you could have used a better example than the Iraq war protestors? Might I suggest truthers?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2010, 08:05:52 PM
Quote
People who believe strongly in things react loudly and harshly to things they dont like/want.
Especially when they are told what not to like by the unchecked, corporation backed media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Harry Reid should just announce his retirement tomorrow. He's fucked.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Harry Reid should just announce his retirement tomorrow. He's fucked.

Don't expect people on our side of the aisle to be too choked up about it, either.  Not because of the stupid fake controversy over something dumb he said (imagine that, a politician said something stupid, let's all get offended) but because an effective Majority Leader should have a seat in a state where they don't have to worry about having a contentious election.  He could do his job better if he was from Illinois or New York.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 19, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
Democrats are stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 19, 2010, 09:16:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Harry Reid should just announce his retirement tomorrow. He's fucked.

Don't expect people on our side of the aisle to be too choked up about it, either.  Not because of the stupid fake controversy over something dumb he said (imagine that, a politician said something stupid, let's all get offended) but because an effective Majority Leader should have a seat in a state where they don't have to worry about having a contentious election.  He could do his job better if he was from Illinois or New York.

Durbin or Shumer :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:22:26 PM
For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of Massachusettes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:23:58 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:22:26 PM
For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of Massachusettes.

Oh, go away.

"I am glad that the country will not be able to govern itself now.  This is awesome."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:27:01 PM
Thanks Obama for letting Baucus, Grassley, and Snowe run the clock out, then showing little leadership in, you know, defending your bill.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 19, 2010, 09:28:12 PM
SD remembered his password just in the nick of time!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:30:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:27:01 PM
Thanks Obama for letting Baucus, Grassley, and Snowe run the clock out, then showing little leadership in, you know, defending your bill.

I really hope he's learned a lesson here.  The Republicans aren't interested in compromising anything to help govern the country, so don't try to reach out to them at all.  Let the spectacle of asshole Republicans continually filibustering EVERYTHING become commonplace and people will get sick of that, too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
No way Hillary would have sat on her ass while Baucus and Co. ran the clock out, or gone on a limp wrist "campaign" tour to stump for the bill.

Jimmy Carter with a tan confirmed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:33:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
No way Hillary would have sat on her ass while Baucus and Co. ran the clock out, or gone on a limp wrist "campaign" tour to stump for the bill.

I believe guys like Frag made that argument from the very beginning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 09:35:49 PM
I wouldn't read too much into this. This is 5 consecutive years of anti-incumbent elections. For whatever reason, Scott Brown was able to capture the "outsider" label and ran with it. That and his distinguished career were probably enough to destroy Coakley among white males.

The current congress has not done much to raise their HORRIBLE approval ratings, something has to give. So even if the Republicans win back the house in 2010, they could give it right back in 2012 if things still remain stagnant. I think it is too soon to label this an 'anti-democrat' movement, more like blind, seething voter rage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:40:01 PM
Long term, demographics still favor the party that doesn't only want to cater to white religious hillbillies so I'm not too worried.  But this is going to be seriously annoying for the next couple of years.

Obama ought to tell Pelosi and Reid that they've got until this weekend to compromise on something and vote on it before Brown gets seated, and then after that the House would just have to approve the Senate bill verbatim unless they want to try to use reconciliation, which wouldn't work for most of it.

Then Rahm ought to lock Obama in the basement, dose him with acid and show him cg movies of Republicans killing and eating Sasha and Malia so he gets the picture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:41:31 PM
The Reps will not win back the House in the fall.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 19, 2010, 09:40:01 PM
Long term, demographics still favor the party that doesn't only want to cater to white religious hillbillies so I'm not too worried.  But this is going to be seriously annoying for the next couple of years.

Obama ought to tell Pelosi and Reid that they've got until this weekend to compromise on something and vote on it before Brown gets seated, and then after that the House would just have to approve the Senate bill verbatim unless they want to try to use reconciliation, which wouldn't work for most of it.

Then Rahm ought to lock Obama in the basement, dose him with acid and show him cg movies of Republicans killing and eating Sasha and Malia so he gets the picture.

oh you mean Rahm "compromise everything to shit, shake your ass for the banks" Emmanuel?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:44:01 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:41:31 PM
The Reps will not win back the House in the fall.

Nope.  If I had to bet right now I'd say they'll net around 20 seats tho.  Honestly, if I'm living in Wilmington this November I plan on voting for the Republican, since my "Democratic" Congressman Mike McIntyre has voted against anything that mattered and will continue to do so on any important issue.  So fuck that guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
I think it will be a bit higher than that. But, definately under 30.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 09:47:22 PM
The more interesting number will be the incumbent body count.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
I think it will be a bit higher than that. But, definately under 30.

Net will be +/- 5 within 20.  They'll win more than that, but there are a lot of retirements on the Republican side and there are a few seats you guys are going to lose, also.  Thinking specifically of the guy in William Jefferson's old district who thought he could vote like Eric Cantor while representing a 70% black constituency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2010, 09:51:21 PM
Also, John Cole spits the truth, per the usual. (http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=32825)

Quote
I know a lot of you are really upset about the loss, but if people want to be honest about what happened tonight, this is not the fault of progressive activists (despite the fact that I am incapable of behaving maturely and insisted on being a jackass on twitter). This is not the fault of the adminstration and Barack Obama, because if Coakley had Obama’s numbers in Mass., she would be the next Senator.

This is about an arrogant state party, a horrible and lazy candidate who was unprepared and unmotivated, out of touch with the voters, incapable or unwilling to put in the work and shake the hands and massage the egos and put in the hours, and they got their asses handed to them. I’m sure the exit polling will give us more information, but right now it looks to me that this was about the fundamentals of running a good campaign. Coakley and company didn’t adhere to them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
I wouldn't be too hard on her. She had a commanding lead just 20 days ago. Brown wasn't even seen as a serious threat until last weekend. I guess in politics, you never take any lead for granted, but it's human nature.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Quote
9:45 PM: Sen. Webb says no votes on Health Care in the senate until Brown is seated.

TPM

Weiner doubts the house will pass the senate bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 19, 2010, 10:01:24 PM
I think long term demographics are pretty lol.  Republicans are a major political party - they'll find issues that will resonate with the rising non-white middle class.  I suspect it will be economic issues.  Saying the Republicans will shrivel up when there are less angry white men around is pretty snarky but incorrect.  The Democrats used to be the party of the poor and downtrodden until 1968 done fucked a lot of that up.

Also regarding Coakley, it is the same type of arrogance that cost Daschle, Gephardt, Santorum, etc. their seats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 19, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Always figured cooler heads would prevail from the moderate Dem circles over a Brown win. Bayh was earlier this afternoon and now Webb. Next up will be Nelson, Lincoln, Casey, the FL Nelson, Warner, the two CO guys, and Lieandruexuexuex.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 19, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
I'm curious which way Sherrod Brown will go. I think he's a good senator, but could get caught up in all this.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 10:21:59 PM
Quote
Almost to a man, rank and file House Dems have said tonight they will NOT vote for the Senate bill.
http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC

[youtube=560,345]_Xm1XErUvXo[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 19, 2010, 10:49:45 PM
Libertarian FB status of the day:

"[name] appreciates the irony of the situation. A death, that probably would have been prevented in a totally free medical market, saved the country tonight from moving one step closer to slavery at the hands of the departed and his confederates."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 19, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 10:21:59 PM
Quote
Almost to a man, rank and file House Dems have said tonight they will NOT vote for the Senate bill.
http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC

[youtube=560,345]_Xm1XErUvXo[/youtube]

Nice, Luke Russert has good taste in football teams. :bow2

Amazing how my neocon friends are going nuts about the Mass victory. Hopefully it won't change much in the long run, but I'm getting more and more jaded with respect to both Obama and the dems as days pass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on January 19, 2010, 11:11:41 PM
Fuck Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2010, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 19, 2010, 10:49:45 PM
Libertarian FB status of the day:

"[name] appreciates the irony of the situation. A death, that probably would have been prevented in a totally free medical market, saved the country tonight from moving one step closer to slavery at the hands of the departed and his confederates."

:smug
Title: I wonder what sd could possibly have against Michelle Obama...
Post by: Mandark on January 19, 2010, 11:25:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
No way Hillary would have sat on her ass while Baucus and Co. ran the clock out, or gone on a limp wrist "campaign" tour to stump for the bill.

Jimmy Carter with a tan confirmed

Yeah, I bet if Hillary were in charge of health care reform, and decided to control the process at the expense of the Congressional leadership, they'd have had a bill passed by... O WAIT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993).

Hillary repeatedly said she wouldn't tackle health reform in her first term, and I think you were paying attention enough during election season to know this.  Don't be a FDL librul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 01:01:18 AM
No.  Obama's plan is extremely similar to the program they already have in MA, which is popular enough that the Republican who won had to say he supported it, even while being against the bill in Congress.

Bad economies punish incumbent parties, and the reality of sausage-making has demoralized the Democrats' volunteer base.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 01:34:59 AM
The Democrats put a bunch of vulnerable newbies from conservative districts in the House Financial Services Committee, because a seat there will let them raise a bunch of money.  Specifically, money from banks in return for favorable votes.

So it's gonna be harder than it would otherwise to get a decent bill out of committee, and that would spare reform opponents from having to publicly vote against it.  I think there are a lot of Congressmen who would try to kill the bill early and use parliamentary tricks to delay it, but would vote Yes once the cameras were on.

The Democrats need to just ping-pong the healthcare bill then do some hardcore financial regulation.  It's the one area where good policy also makes great politics.  It's a big crowd-pleaser and would expose a lot of Republican populist rhetoric as bunk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 01:42:27 AM
How will they ping pong it with blue dogs bailing and even liberals saying they won't pass the senate's bill? I shouldn't doubt Pelosi but I'm still fucking baffled as to how this will work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 01:51:04 AM
I'm saying what they should do, not what's gonna end up happening.  It's either:

1)  Find a Republican Senator that cares more about controlling long-run health costs more than they do making Obama a failure,

2)  Ping-pong it and settle for the Senate bill,

or

3)  Let the progressive caucus and blue dogs create a circular firing squad and tank the bill so that we get nothing out of all these months of negotiation.



The first one ain't realistic and the third ain't productive.  Brown isn't Joseph Cao, and he's going to follow GOP dogma on economic issues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 01:56:12 AM
nope
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 02:08:17 AM
McCain's plan was to get rid of the tax exemption for health care benefits, and replace them with individual vouchers which would grow at the rate of inflation.

The idea was that once consumers had some SKIN IN THE GAME (a great drinking game candidate during the three debates), they would realize how much money they were spending on healthcare and stop having so many damn illnesses.

Decoupling health insurance from employers isn't actually a bad idea, but if you did that with no new mechanism for risk pooling and no new regulations on insurance companies, they would cherry-pick young and healthy customers.  The individual insurance market for the middle-aged and sick is brutal, and those people would be on their own.



The real problem here is that every Republican legislator is primarily interested in stopping Obama's agenda, regardless of its content.  The lesson they learned from Clinton's first two years is that a minority party in the US can stop anything it wants to as long as it stays united, and that the public will blame the governing party for gridlock.

Their main excuses are shamelessly obvious lies.  They wring their hands about the deficit after voting for unfunded wars, tax cuts, and drug benefits under Bush.  They turn around and promise to never allow any cuts to Medicare, which is the biggest long-term liability on America's books.  This after telling us we have to be weddy, weddy concerned about Social Security.

Sometimes it boggles my mind that a system like this can exist, or that so many people could rise to such powerful positions with almost no concern for the well being of the country they serve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2010, 04:18:01 AM
Something I've been wondering for a while. Isn't the idea of a super majority in congress a totally flawed idea to begin with? In order to get anything done, either party needs 60 votes to accomplish. But by having such a rule, doesn't this kinda make sure that nearly nothing does get done since one would imagine there wouldn't always be 60 or more senators of the same party at one time?


Yeah, I know there's still reconcilliation, but that can't pass everything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 20, 2010, 04:38:13 AM
Trying to decide between googling job opportunities is Sweden, crying myself to sleep, and finding a way to blame this on Jay Leno.
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2010, 05:17:47 AM
Quote from: Borys on January 20, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
Polish media are calling it "disastrous lose for Obama".

I think GOP has it in the bag now for 2012 elections :smug

What do you care, Polack?  Or are you still broken up about not getting a free missile shield.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 20, 2010, 07:18:17 AM
Quote from: Gruco on January 20, 2010, 04:38:13 AM
Trying to decide between googling job opportunities is Sweden, crying myself to sleep, and finding a way to blame this on Jay Leno.
 

Interestingly enough, had people been as pissed off about the limp dick Senate health care reform bill like they are about Jay Leno taking back The Tonight Show, this country would be in a lot better place.

The huge cult of celebrity worship going on right now is a telling sign that the country has very fucked priorities and won't be changing anytime soon.  Where people would rather get worked up over celebrity bullshit than y'know, the future of the country?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on January 20, 2010, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 19, 2010, 08:01:27 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on January 19, 2010, 11:19:13 AM
People who believe strongly in things react loudly and harshly to things they dont like/want. That goes both ways. I recall Liberals who disagreed with Bush/Republican policies (such as the Irag war)camping out at his ranch in Texas protesting. Or kicking the military out of their city.

Surely you could have used a better example than the Iraq war protestors? Might I suggest truthers?

Truthers would probably be a good example as well, yes.


Also:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/Van_Hollen_Blame_Bush.html?showall

I guess Blaming Bush for everything, including Brown's win in Massachusetts, is still the go-to answer?

I think Howard Dean also blamed Bush as well on NBC.

Really, I'd blame the candidate's lack of campaigning (even though she had a huge lead not too long ago) and arrogance for assuming because she was a Democrat she would get the election automatically. *


*Though the Fenway thing and the Shilling is a Yankees fan thing probably killed her too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on January 20, 2010, 09:10:48 AM
How could anyone who has ever lived in Massachusetts call Schilling a Yankees fan?

Even non-baseball fans know about the bloody sock. Was Coakley living in a fucking bunker for the last six years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on January 20, 2010, 09:36:40 AM
I've been hearing that while the proposed health care package was deficit neutral for the first ten years, after ten years new programs were set to kick in that would add to the deficit, such as the Disability Insurance Program. Anyone know if this is true?

Edit: after doing more research, it seems that the problem is that benefits would start to exceed premiums in the Disability Insurance Program over the next decade. Is there any counter to this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 20, 2010, 01:25:53 PM
All the republicans, libertardians, and anti-UHC people on my facebook are having a field day with the Mass election - acting like their favorite sports team won  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2010, 01:28:10 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 20, 2010, 01:25:53 PM
All the republicans, libertardians, and anti-UHC people on my facebook are having a field day with the Mass election - acting like their favorite sports team won  :-\

Congratulate them on their new 41-59 majority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 20, 2010, 01:32:08 PM
Didn't Brown claim during his campaign that he was going to vote for UHC?  How likely is he to block the bill?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 20, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
given the behavior of lieberman and the blue dogs, the conservatard alliance might actually HAVE a majority
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 01:55:02 PM
If democrats drop health care as Barney Frank and others are suggesting, I'm not voting in November.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/demoralized_democrats.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/obama-senate-will-not-vote-on-health-care-before-brown-is-seated.php?ref=fpa

guess we'll have to look for leadership from somewhere else. not coming from the WH/Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/obama-senate-will-not-vote-on-health-care-before-brown-is-seated.php?ref=fpa

guess we'll have to look for leadership from somewhere else. not coming from the WH/Obama

:derisivejerkingoffmotion

People demanding "leadership" from Obama are mostly asking for big, public displays of emotion.  It's the equivalent of sports radio callers on Monday yelling "Did you see the coach?  He was just standing there with this clipboard!"


Quote from: Professor Prole
given the behavior of lieberman and the blue dogs, the conservatard alliance might actually HAVE a majority

The dirty secret of US politics is that no matter who's in charge, there's almost always a cross-party majority for protecting the status quo (with minor tweaks for certain interest groups).  I was slightly amazed that they got every Dem in line for the cloture vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
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Generally speaking, do you think Democrats in Washington, DC are fighting hard enough to challenge the Republican policies of the Bush years, aren’t fighting hard enough to change those policies, or are fighting about right?

Obama/Brown Voters
NOT ENOUGH / TOO HARD / ABOUT RIGHT / NOT SURE
37% / 15% / 21% / 27%

37% of Brown's supporters thought the health care bill doesn't go far enough. Wow
http://pol.moveon.org/brownpoll/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 03:34:37 PM
That's actually 37% of voters who voted for Obama in 2008 and Brown this time.  Hence "Obama/Brown" voters.

That's still a big chunk.  I read that Brown actually won a majority of voters with a favorable impression of Obama.  Makes no sense, but not surprising.  McCain's signature issue during the primaries was the surge, and he consistently did better among Republicans who opposed the Iraq war.

Democracy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 03:37:08 PM
Whoops, meant Obama/Brown voters.

annd dem talking points
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/dem-talking-points-were-screwed.php

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2010, 03:39:55 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 02:56:26 PM
People demanding "leadership" from Obama are mostly asking for big, public displays of emotion.  It's the equivalent of sports radio callers on Monday yelling "Did you see the coach?  He was just standing there with this clipboard!"

This.


I've mainly avoided the political thread here and on GAF but I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth that is going on over there among internet politico types as reality has come crashing down on them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
[youtube=560,345]c4aQCiRjvZY[/youtube]

:lol :lol :lol

"Now it drags on forever, like Stalingrad!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on January 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
So, healthcare is done for?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on January 20, 2010, 03:48:08 PM
Quote from: pollo on January 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
So, healthcare is done for?

Possibly, but if this current form dies then it will get brought back up again at some point. Not sure when though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2010, 05:53:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 20, 2010, 02:56:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/obama-senate-will-not-vote-on-health-care-before-brown-is-seated.php?ref=fpa

guess we'll have to look for leadership from somewhere else. not coming from the WH/Obama

:derisivejerkingoffmotion

People demanding "leadership" from Obama are mostly asking for big, public displays of emotion.  It's the equivalent of sports radio callers on Monday yelling "Did you see the coach?  He was just standing there with this clipboard!"

then how come bush was able to get all his policies through if you're so smart hmmm :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 20, 2010, 05:58:37 PM
I suspect they'll pinch out an even more half assed, watered down bill later this year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 20, 2010, 07:05:43 PM
So what's the over/under on Brown hitting Lieberman approvals by 2012?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2010, 08:28:07 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on January 20, 2010, 03:48:08 PM
Quote from: pollo on January 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
So, healthcare is done for?

Possibly, but if this current form dies then it will get brought back up again at some point. Not sure when though.
It's only been 15 years or so since the last try at it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2010, 10:31:51 PM
Quote from: Gruco on January 20, 2010, 07:05:43 PM
So what's the over/under on Brown hitting Lieberman approvals by 2012?

After Mass. voters realize that they elected a Mitch McConnell lap dog, he's gonna go down hill pretty damn quick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on January 21, 2010, 01:02:11 AM
Quote from: Borys on January 20, 2010, 05:44:05 AM
Bush promised, Obama broke it :maf
And Russia would have fucked it up. They just assume everything the USA does it a plot against them.

Quote from: Professor Prole on January 20, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
given the behavior of lieberman and the blue dogs, the conservatard alliance might actually HAVE a majority
It's a Superminority! Somehow 2/5 control = total control.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 01:17:21 AM
Sounds like things are calming down a bit, and the house will hopefully pass the senate bill in exchange for a separate bill passed through reconciliation. It's ironic that house progressives have been forced to "compromise" time and time again over the last half year, now they control whether health care lives or dies. I hope they demand a medicare buy-in through reconciliation, and maybe an expansion of medicaid.

Hell, maybe they should demand a public option. There were 51 votes for it in the senate back when the opt-out was the new kid at school (before Lieberman stole the lunch money)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 03:16:17 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama on Thursday is expected to propose new limits on the size and risk taken by the country's biggest banks, marking the administration's latest assault on Wall Street in what could mark a return, at least in spirit, to some of the curbs on finance put in place during the Great Depression, according to congressional sources and administration officials.

The past decade saw widespread consolidation among large financial institutions to create huge banking titans. If Congress approves the proposal, the White House plan could permanently impose government constraints on the size and nature of banking.

Mr. Obama's proposal is expected to include new scale restrictions on the size of the country's largest financial institutions. The goal would be to deter banks from becoming so large they put the broader economy at risk and to also prevent banks from becoming so large they distort normal competitive forces. It couldn't be learned what precise limits the White House will endorse, or whether Mr. Obama will spell out the exact limits on Thursday.

Mr. Obama is also expected to endorse, for the first time publicly, measures pushed by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, which would place restrictions on the proprietary trading done by commercial banks, essentially limiting the way banks bet with their own capital. Administration officials say they want to place "firewalls" between different divisions of financial companies to ensure banks don't indirectly subsidize "speculative" trading through other subsidiaries that hold federally insured deposits.

The proposal could have the biggest effect on Bank of America Corp., Wells Fargo & Co., and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., which control a large amount of U.S. deposits, as well as Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Citigroup Inc., which have a large presence on Wall Street.

If the proposal took effect, big banks could be forced to wall off certain activities in their investing banking units—which trade and underwrite securities and make their own bets on markets—from their traditional businesses, which make loans and take deposits.

The investing banking units have grown dramatically in recent years, were far more profitable than the banking operations and were at the heart of the financial crisis.

The industry has undergone a major consolidation during the financial crisis, leaving the top four banks with an unprecedented market share in businesses such as deposit taking, credit cards and mortgages.

The rules could also keep banks out of the business of running hedge funds, investing in real estate or private equity, all businesses that have become important, profitable parts of these banks. The collapse of two highly leveraged hedge funds began the process that led to the collapse of Bear Stearns.

If investors believe the new rules could take effect, they could sell off the shares of most of the big financial stocks in the belief these companies would be facing years of turmoil and potentially lower profits.

Messrs. Obama and Volcker are scheduled to meet tomorrow in advance of the White House announcement.

The White House's proposal, one aide said, wouldn't resurrect the exact limits put in place by the Depression-era Glass Steagall Act, which essentially walled off commercial banks from investment banks and was repealed in 1999. Instead, the White House proposal would seek to return the "spirit of Glass Steagall," meant to limit large banks from becoming too big and complex that create enormous risk.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704320104575015910344117800.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTWhatsNews

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 03:16:17 AM
Quote
<snip>bunch of stuff</snip>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704320104575015910344117800.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTWhatsNews

wat

This is shit that he should have done LITERALLY a year ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 21, 2010, 01:28:27 PM
Fuck you conservative activist judges!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 02:19:53 PM
so obama is letting health care die so he can get some fat checkz :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 21, 2010, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 21, 2010, 02:02:41 PM
Elections are even more fucked now. :'(

now now, this is just guaranteeing free speech to our fellow citizens

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on January 21, 2010, 02:29:23 PM
Democracy had a good run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Snuflupagulus on January 21, 2010, 03:38:56 PM
Well, at least corporations will be able to enjoy their rights in perpetuity unlike us mortal suckers.  Won't be able to shut-em up, just like most old people.  Hopefully, their "speech" isn't as chintzy as that $5 cheque grandma sent for my birthday.  Not that I'm, umm, ungrateful.

So, what'll be the first corporation to run for president?  I'm hoping for the Carlyle Group or Monsanto.  Maybe Genentech; not sure on that one.  Will it vote for itself?  Might need Diebold for help with that one.  Perhaps it'll buy a few luxury boxes at the Electoral College.  Or, I guess it could purchase the naming rights.  They already sponsor legislation, so it seems a natural extension for the brand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 21, 2010, 03:44:51 PM
"Liberals drink Coke!"

This message brought to you buy Pepsi Co.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: brawndolicious on January 21, 2010, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Snuflupagulus on January 21, 2010, 03:38:56 PM
So, what'll be the first corporation to run for president?  I'm hoping for the Carlyle Group or Monsanto.  Maybe Genentech; not sure on that one.  Will it vote for itself?  Might need Diebold for help with that one.  Perhaps it'll buy a few luxury boxes at the Electoral College.  Or, I guess it could purchase the naming rights.  They already sponsor legislation, so it seems a natural extension for the brand.
I could vote for a biotech company to be perfectly honest.  It's the bankers that keep me up at night.
Title: Matt Taibbi is a dumb, too.
Post by: Mandark on January 21, 2010, 04:26:07 PM
Here's the most frustrating thing:

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2010, 01:55:02 PM
If democrats drop health care as Barney Frank and others are suggesting, I'm not voting in November.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/demoralized_democrats.html

This is exactly the right sentiment.

Only the people who should be saying this have instead spent the last few months lobbying against the bill.  The Glenn Greenwald/Jane Hamsher wing of the party is getting increasingly dishonest and self-destructive to the point where I expect to see people sporting "Vote for Nader" buttons.  Tell us how great that worked out last time, dudes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 04:38:35 PM
My congresscritter (Mike McIntyre) is a blue dog, so I'll be supporting whoever is hopefully primarying him.  If no one is or if he wins (highly likely) I'll honestly go ahead and vote for a Republican for national office for the first time ever.  No point in sending these idiots to Washington to keep selling out every chance they get; I *know* that's what I'll get in a Republican, so I'll just take that instead.  I'd stay home in November but I want to vote for whoever is running against Burr.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 04:40:58 PM
I wonder what independents think when they see liberals demanding the bill be killed/is harmful/etc


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/01/can_democrats_govern.html
I don't want to see republicans take over the house or senate, but at the same time I don't want to enable democrats to run around with their tails between their legs. Now, if democrats went all out and somehow failed to pass the bill, that would be somewhat understandable. But dropping it all together would be ridiculous, especially now that a better bill passing is a possibility (medicare buy-in or something else through reconciliation). Hell, they probably still have 51 votes for a public option.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 21, 2010, 04:46:11 PM
I just want to take a head count on who is finally jumping on my bandwagon after I said Obama will be a one-term President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 04:49:22 PM
Romney Gingrich 2012 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on January 21, 2010, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 04:49:22 PM
Romney Gingrich 2012 :bow
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Rman on January 21, 2010, 04:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 04:49:22 PM
Romney Gingrich 2012 :bow
:lol

Don't you want a free laptop?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 21, 2010, 04:54:45 PM
I don't necessarily agree with that, it's just that the Democrats currently in power don't have the stomach to pass sweeping social reforms and lose a lot of clout when their response to the banking crisis is, "Are you sorry for nearly collapsing the world economy? You are? Here, have some taxpayer money with no strings attached. Also, we won't be enacting any measures to prevent similar calamities from occurring."

P.S. Thank you Supreme Court for adding to the pain by repealing McCain-Feingold. Smart move. Really. I agree with it. It's not like giant corporations and banking institutions weren't ALREADY in charge of the country, now there's just transparency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on January 21, 2010, 04:55:41 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 21, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
I think the biggest mistake the democrats made was deciding that the proper response to the banking crisis that almost brought down the world economy was to try and enact healthcare reform.
Definitely, especially since Obama was elected due to the whole economic collapse.  McCain's poll numbers never recovered after the events of last summer.  

PD.  Romney's too cookie cutter and he vacillates on issues way too much to gain any traction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 21, 2010, 04:58:42 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 21, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
I think the biggest mistake the democrats made was deciding that the proper response to the banking crisis that almost brought down the world economy was to try and enact healthcare reform.

Yeah, given everything going on Health Care Reform was kind of a stupid thing to stake the presidency on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 21, 2010, 05:00:59 PM
What MegaCorp are you going to ally yourself with? I'm joining ConAltria, myself. They've got the microwave popcorn market nailed down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 21, 2010, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on January 21, 2010, 05:00:59 PM
What MegaCorp are you going to ally yourself with? I'm joining ConAltria, myself. They've got the microwave popcorn market nailed down.

Shineheart Wig Company
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 21, 2010, 05:24:50 PM
i am totally going ocp. i am hoping i can convince the holy chaplain-executive -- or whoever the guy who administers the civil protocols for my fief is -- that i would be a good candidate for robocopping. ah, the sweet sweet simplicity of inviolable binary inputs. i imagine it must be like being a libertarian.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 21, 2010, 05:30:45 PM
NPR is reporting that Air America Radio is going silent, today, as in, within the hour.  Not in protest of the Democratic pussery, but out of financial collapse.

Ironic timing, but still, a sad loss.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 21, 2010, 06:23:10 PM
Obama will still win 2012 but this is pretty much the end of him doing anything useful.

A shame that he squandered his window of opportunity by puttering around, offering lackluster support to issues he successfully campaigned on, and appointing the wrong people when push came to shove.  Meanwhile the Democrats will run around like chickens with their heads cut off, making up for lost time they had last year.  Blue Dogs will keep flirting with the GOP and Sarah Palin will continue to successfully reinvent herself.  Then the same Democrats who shat the bed will be writing op-eds wondering what happened to their influence and their majority, trying to re-frame that it wasn't their fault.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 21, 2010, 06:45:33 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 21, 2010, 05:30:45 PM
NPR is reporting that Air America Radio is going silent, today, as in, within the hour.  Not in protest of the Democratic pussery, but out of financial collapse.

Ironic timing, but still, a sad loss.

What the fuck? I thought it was odd when I put on Ron Reagan only to realize it was a repeat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 21, 2010, 07:30:16 PM
I apologize for my ignorance on this matter, but can you primary a sitting president? Because I'd kinda like to see that happen with Obama.

Sure, that's why Johnson decided not to run in 1968- he was getting primaried and was gonna lose.

I'd say that that's a horrible idea, but after Mr. Harvard Law Review fucked around for a year kissing Republicans' asses in the vain attempt to get them to responsibly govern in lieu of screaming "SOCIALISM" at the top of their lungs and voting no all the time, I'd love to see Howard Dean get in there and spit some fiyah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 07:50:56 PM
meh, nothing has happened that suggests he's going to lose in 2012. My problem is with the chickenshit, limp wrist way he seems to run things.

I guess taking on the banks is doable; McCain proposed a similar bill with a dem senator some time ago, iirc. So McCain could be the 60th vote for this, OR he can pull support and claim Obama is going too far, or not listening to teh poor republicans, or whatever. Same thing Gregg did recently with the deficit commission; Gregg's idea, but when Obama ok'd it guess who came out in opposition smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 21, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
Ain't no black man gonna tell me what to do is pretty much the repug mantra so what do you think?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 21, 2010, 07:58:29 PM
So the Repubs will basically filibuster EVERYTHING? Every bill will require 60 votes in the future?

Here's the way that the Dems can get around this but undoubtedly won't:

After the 2010 elections a new Congress will be seated.  Dems will undoubtedly lose seats in both houses but will retain the majority in both.  The thing with the filibuster is, there's no law about it.  It's just a traditional Senate rule, and the rules are agreed upon and voted in a simple majority vote at the beginning of each two year term of Congress.  So in theory, the Dems could scuttle the filibuster, or at the very least do what some people have been proposing- require 60 votes the first time, then after two weeks have another vote where you only require 57, then two weeks later another vote where you only require 54, then another vote where you only need a simple majority to end debate.

Of course, the Dems will never do this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 21, 2010, 09:10:53 PM
I'm convinced at this point that Warren Spector is clairevoyant.

I, for one, look forward to our Deus Ex future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 21, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
They need to but if they could hardly do it with a 60 seat supermajority, how the hell are they going to pull it off with a 52-56 majority?

The ultimate problem is that Democrats are too afraid to act like winners so they think they need to act bipartisan, which means watering down bills to the point of them being corporate giveaways with marginal net positives for the public.  Republicans will never support the bills anyway, to play to their base who would vote them out if they got too chummy with the Democrats.  Which is why the Democrats need to hamfist lots of reform bills through.  Republicans never needed to fear cloture because giving them credit, they have the balls to do what they want to do.  Why people are waffling about here wondering how it would be like without a Senate I don't think gets it.  Republicans get what they want because they're determined.  Democrats are anything but determined, save for a few.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on January 21, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
What's all the fuss about?

The SCOTUS merely added in the second half of the equation to the formula Barack Obama started when he turned down public financing. Might as well start printing up his second inauguration invitations right now. In the future, WH press briefing will have a daily corporate/union sponsor, a corporate/union sponsorship patch replace the Amercian flag pin on the president's suit, and you'll have to watch a 30-second Cialis advertisement everytime you go to a government website.

Between this ruling and the imminent domain ruling a few years back, the John Roberts court has seriously fucked things up.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
Rush...
Quote
There are a lot of people, when you say banker, people think Jewish. ... People who have a little prejudice about them. ... To some people, banker is a code word for Jewish; and guess who Obama is assaulting? He’s assaulting bankers. He’s assaulting money people. And a lot of those people on Wall Street are Jewish. So I wonder if there’s – if there’s starting to be some buyer’s remorse there.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/21/828430/-ADL:-Rush-Limbaugh-reached-a-new-low
smh  :lol


ADL
Quote
    Rush Limbaugh reached a new low with his borderline anti-Semitic comments about Jews as bankers, their supposed influence on Wall Street, and how they vote.

    Limbaugh’s references to Jews and money in a discussion of Massachusetts politics were offensive and inappropriate. While the age-old stereotype about Jews and money has a long and sordid history, it also remains one of the main pillars of anti-Semitism and is widely accepted by many Americans. His notion that Jews vote based on their religion, rather than on their interests as Americans, plays into the hands of anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists.

    When he comes to understand why his words were so offensive and unacceptable, Limbaugh should apologize.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 21, 2010, 10:53:51 PM
I don't see anything wrong ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 21, 2010, 10:55:38 PM
SELL YOUR GREENBACKS, IT'S ALL OVER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 21, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
but that's a positive stereotype! like Asians being good at math!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 11:18:29 PM
Thread needs a title change to reflect the arrival of our 45th President Scott Brown to the nation's capital.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2010, 11:19:07 PM
Typical Limbaugh idiotry.


Obama is going after dem Jews!


Jews=Banks and Wall Street.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on January 21, 2010, 09:26:53 PM
What's all the fuss about?

The SCOTUS merely added in the second half of the equation to the formula Barack Obama started when he turned down public financing. Might as well start printing up his second inauguration invitations right now. In the future, WH press briefing will have a daily corporate/union sponsor, a corporate/union sponsorship patch replace the Amercian flag pin on the president's suit, and you'll have to watch a 30-second Cialis advertisement everytime you go to a government website.

Between this ruling and the imminent domain ruling a few years back, the John Roberts court has seriously fucked things up.  

THIS POST BROUGHT TO YOU BY CARL'S JR.

If I had the energy and could still search on GAF, right about now I'd be fiendishly searching your post history for any posts defending Roberts prior to and after his appointment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 21, 2010, 11:29:47 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 21, 2010, 11:19:39 PM


THIS POST BROUGHT TO YOU BY CARL'S JR.

If I had the energy and could still search on GAF, right about now I'd be fiendishly searching your post history for any posts defending Roberts prior to and after his appointment.

Why bother?  We all know that searching SD's post history would reveal an embarrassment of riches.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2010, 11:40:16 PM
So wait, what exactly is the legal situation now?  Can the House just pass the Senate bill as is without it having to go back to the Senate, since it will have been passed through both houses?

The Constitution seems to be awfully vague on what exactly passing a bill means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2010, 11:40:16 PM
So wait, what exactly is the legal situation now?  Can the House just pass the Senate bill as is without it having to go back to the Senate, since it will have been passed through both houses?

The Constitution seems to be awfully vague on what exactly passing a bill means.

Yes, the House could do that.  But the House bill that originally passed was very watered down from what the majority of the caucus wanted originally and barely passed, and the Senate bill is even MORE watered down from that.  So in a fit of pique and bruised egos, nothing will get done, which will further reinforce the idea that Democrats can't do anything so why bother voting for them anyhow?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2010, 11:54:37 PM
I thought the problem was that "reconciliation" would mean that the Senate would have to pass it again, though.  Which they might not have to do if the House just passed the bill as is (?).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 11:59:16 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2010, 11:54:37 PM
I thought the problem was that "reconciliation" would mean that the Senate would have to pass it again, though.  Which they might not have to do if the House just passed the bill as is (?).

Stuffed passed through budget reconciliation doesn't have to go through a cloture vote (requiring 60 votes).

However, it's only supposed to be used for stuff directly related to the budget.  There's a dude named the Senate Parliamentarian (just a dude, not an actual Senator or elected official whatsoever) who gets to decide what does/doesn't qualify, and the thinking is that lots of good stuff (getting rid of discrimination based on preconditions, etc) would get stricken from anything that passed through reconciliation.

What they SHOULD do is suck it up, pass the Senate bill and then immediately introduce legislation to improve it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2010, 11:59:46 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 21, 2010, 11:59:26 PM
Pretty sure passing it through reconciliation requires only 51 votes? I'm not entirely sure.

correct
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Man, American government is the kludgiest system since the one I'm currently stuck at work at 9pm debugging.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 22, 2010, 12:10:58 AM
From a pure game theory perspective, I'd say any member of the House Dem caucus unwilling to take that step (vote for the Senate Bill) does not deserve my vote.  I certainly plan on calling my congressman's office tomorrow to make this point as clearly as possible.

Most of the analysis from the pragmatic wing of the left has been dead on, as far as I'm concerned.  As ugly as Brown's win was, it was magnified by powers of thousands by the complete chicken littling from the party, top to bottom.  Health Care was a priority when Obama took office with 58 senators.  It weathered the death panel town halls, the gang of six, and the price of Lieberman and Nelson.  And it kept moving, because it was the Right Fucking Thing To Do.  But then a surprise special election, and it's time to head for the hills, even when the bill can be passed, and improved through reconciliation.  The little shits really need to get their heads on straight.

It's been so depressing to read the emails on TPM from staffers talking about Congress is so insular that they obsess about Appointments and Omnibus Appropriations to the point that they actually make taking points to brag about this and apparently thing of the major new legislations as fun little side projects, or something.  Any retreat at this point would just be such a complete and utter glass jaw betrayal that it would take another 8 years of Bush for the base to even think about coming back.  Even if they get that, it unfortunate that they have such little faith their legislation that they don't even think it's worth doing for their own sake.

I still think it's important to look at who is doing what though.  I still don't blame Obama, Reid, or Pelosi (yet).  But ANY House member who does not commit to support the Senate bill at this point does not deserve democrat's support.

Hm, I should go check out what people are kos and FDL are saying about all this.  Really, they should be celebrating the aftermath of the Brown win, if their thoughts on the Senate bill were honest.  Asshats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 22, 2010, 12:15:28 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 21, 2010, 11:59:16 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2010, 11:54:37 PM
I thought the problem was that "reconciliation" would mean that the Senate would have to pass it again, though.  Which they might not have to do if the House just passed the bill as is (?).

Stuffed passed through budget reconciliation doesn't have to go through a cloture vote (requiring 60 votes).

However, it's only supposed to be used for stuff directly related to the budget.  There's a dude named the Senate Parliamentarian (just a dude, not an actual Senator or elected official whatsoever) who gets to decide what does/doesn't qualify, and the thinking is that lots of good stuff (getting rid of discrimination based on preconditions, etc) would get stricken from anything that passed through reconciliation.

What they SHOULD do is suck it up, pass the Senate bill and then immediately introduce legislation to improve it.

I agree.  They just need to get it through and get to work fixing it after it is passed.  In time, it could be something decent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2010, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 21, 2010, 11:59:16 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2010, 11:54:37 PM
I thought the problem was that "reconciliation" would mean that the Senate would have to pass it again, though.  Which they might not have to do if the House just passed the bill as is (?).

Stuffed passed through budget reconciliation doesn't have to go through a cloture vote (requiring 60 votes).

However, it's only supposed to be used for stuff directly related to the budget.  There's a dude named the Senate Parliamentarian (just a dude, not an actual Senator or elected official whatsoever) who gets to decide what does/doesn't qualify, and the thinking is that lots of good stuff (getting rid of discrimination based on preconditions, etc) would get stricken from anything that passed through reconciliation.

What they SHOULD do is suck it up, pass the Senate bill and then immediately introduce legislation to improve it.

Yup. Too bad the progressives are dead set against doing that, for now. I don't see why they don't agree to pass the senate bill in exchange for a reconciliation bill that changes the excise tax, expands medicaid, and introduces a medicare buy-in. They finally have all the power, and instead of wielding it they're acting like babies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Man, American government is the kludgiest system since the one I'm currently stuck at work at 9pm debugging.

It's like a game with massive exploits that no one bothers to fix.

That's supposed to be dealt with, with amendments but the purveyors of the status quo have completely eliminated that concept from the political vocabulary. That and the deification of the founding fathers. A group of farmers from a few centuries back who built a government for an agrarian society with a relatively small population and when state's rights was a big issue. In other words nothing to do with the current world.

Percept example of a society in stagnation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 22, 2010, 12:29:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Man, American government is the kludgiest system since the one I'm currently stuck at work at 9pm debugging.

It's like a game with massive exploits that no one bothers to fix.

That's supposed to be dealt with, with amendments but the purveyors of the status quo have completely eliminated that concept from the political vocabulary. That and the deification of the founding fathers. A group of farmers from a few centuries back who built a government for an agrarian society with a relatively small population and when state's rights was a big issue. In other words nothing to do with the current world.

Percept example of a society in stagnation.

I'm not sure I understand your post.  How they are deified doesn't have anything to do with how things are done currently.  People just like to reframe their thoughts to be used as a political tool.  Nobody (outside of insane libertarians) actually pays attention to what they said or did.  It's just another pile of shit to be flung at the other side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 22, 2010, 12:31:59 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:30:35 AM
If there's anything that the House should push for, it's to allow the importation of cheaper drugs from overseas.


You're referring to Afghan heroin and Colombian cocaine, not Canadian prescription drugs, right?  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2010, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: T EXP on January 22, 2010, 12:29:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2010, 12:23:38 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:13:10 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 22, 2010, 12:10:50 AM
Man, American government is the kludgiest system since the one I'm currently stuck at work at 9pm debugging.

It's like a game with massive exploits that no one bothers to fix.

That's supposed to be dealt with, with amendments but the purveyors of the status quo have completely eliminated that concept from the political vocabulary. That and the deification of the founding fathers. A group of farmers from a few centuries back who built a government for an agrarian society with a relatively small population and when state's rights was a big issue. In other words nothing to do with the current world.

Percept example of a society in stagnation.

I'm not sure I understand your post.  How they are deified doesn't have anything to do with how things are done currently.  People just like to reframe their thoughts to be used as a political tool.  Nobody (outside of insane libertarians) actually pays attention to what they said or did.  It's just another pile of shit to be flung at the other side.

My point is more directly a barb at the lack of political will and capability to reform anything which Amendments are just a small part of but an example of how it is nearly impossible to achieve consensus or at least political consensus on good ideas in modern American society. People reflexively shut down good ideas now simply because the other side came up with it. It also doesn't help that you have one political party that has essentially abandoned any concept of government actually being able to do anything outside of wage war and has no interest in reforming anything other than less regulation in any form what so ever. The other political party is simply a slight deviation on that concept with a few tweaks. And the public in general has never been more complacent about the whole situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 22, 2010, 12:37:31 AM
This might be old

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fwUwzwompg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 22, 2010, 12:43:38 AM
It is. Posted it a couple pages back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 22, 2010, 12:48:27 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:46:23 AM
Quote from: Boogie on January 22, 2010, 12:31:59 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:30:35 AM
If there's anything that the House should push for, it's to allow the importation of cheaper drugs from overseas.


You're referring to Afghan heroin and Colombian cocaine, not Canadian prescription drugs, right?  :smug

Yeah, but I'd be okay with them dropping it in exchange for a no-knock warrant ban concession from the Senate.


:lol

Nicely done.  I think you're learning ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Snuflupagulus on January 22, 2010, 01:02:33 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 12:30:35 AM
If there's anything that the House should push for, it's to allow the importation of cheaper drugs from overseas.

But honestly, if the whole thing fails it might just be for the best. The system as it is currently constructed will collapse sooner rather than later, and single-payer is really the best solution for everyone involved.

Even if the House passed legislation, it'd never leave committee in the Senate.  Thank the few, very few (very few) citizens of Montana for that.  Baucus sold himself for a bucket of oxy and lifetime lipitor.  The feds will never negotiate wholesale, whether proscribed by legislation like Medicare Part D or through agreement to pacify Big Pharma's concern with health "reform."

And if you want single-payer, may as well start the process of becoming a "landed immigrant" to Canada.  We're just too selfish, irrational, and regressive to do what's right, morally and fiscally.   :usacry

Plus, as a Canadian you'll get a nifty SIN card.  Doesn't give you free entrance to nudie bars <rimshot>, but at least you can get your appendix removed without indentured servitude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2010, 01:13:38 AM
Final post for tonight.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Cloture_Voting%2C_U.S._Senate%2C_1947_to_2008.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SUa0ehuULEI/AAAAAAAAAxA/b5m0-lrj4-U/s400/c2.png)
(http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/Gumming%20Up%20the%20Works.jpg)




http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/12/the_filibuster_and_family_full.php

"We have crossed the mark of over 100 filibusters and acts of procedural obstruction in less than one year," Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, said on the floor on December 20, 2009. "Never since the founding of the Republic, not even in the bitter sentiments preceding Civil War, was such a thing ever seen in this body."


To be clear there are some good examples of filibusters for trying to stop stupid policy. (And some horrible ones like some of them that occurred while Civil rights legislation was trying to be passed) And boy how wonderful it would have been if the whole Iraq Adventure could have been one big filibuster. But clearly what we have here is one party that has decided that nothing will pass without every bit of kicking and screaming possible. They really have no interest in real governance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 01:39:19 AM
So as I asked earlier, back in the day minority parties used to just argue a lot and vote against stuff, but not actually filibuster everything, right? Is that how it worked? I honestly can't remember.

Dude, the post LITERALLY ABOVE YOURS has a graph showing the frequency of filibusters in the past 50 or so years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 22, 2010, 01:44:45 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 01:39:19 AM
So as I asked earlier, back in the day minority parties used to just argue a lot and vote against stuff, but not actually filibuster everything, right? Is that how it worked? I honestly can't remember.

http://www.apsanet.org/imgtest/2002Supermajority-Mayhew.pdf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2010, 02:49:11 AM
The Democrats have been trying to paint the Republicans as obstructionist for 8-12 months now. People don't give a shit and won't give a shit until the economy improves.

Democrats have no intention of removing the filabuster either. They love to wield it when a Republican president takes office and tries to appoint anybody. They will never give up that power.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2010, 03:00:26 AM
And individual senators like the power the filibuster gives them, far too much to give it away. What better way to protect the coal industry or whatever industry that has a hand in yer pocket
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2010, 03:25:30 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 21, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
I think the biggest mistake the democrats made was deciding that the proper response to the banking crisis that almost brought down the world economy was to try and enact healthcare reform.

I waffle on this.  Financial reform would have been easier than health reform, and would have been easier last year than it is now.  There were stories coming out that Axelrod, Emanuel, and pretty much the whole inner circle was telling Obama not to take on health reform.

On the other hand, I really believe that health care is far and away the area where reform could do the most tangible good in people's everyday lives.  The current system heaps more insecurity and misery on people who are already towards the bottom of society, rather than giving them a reliable backstop.  It embodies the basic ideas of empathy and mutual responsibility that make me self-identify as a liberal, and I'd trade several of the other planks of Obama's platform if this could pass.

Hell, give me single-payer and you can put Jesus on our currency.  I wouldn't give a fuck.

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 21, 2010, 07:35:48 PM
Sure, that's why Johnson decided not to run in 1968- he was getting primaried and was gonna lose.

I'd say that that's a horrible idea, but after Mr. Harvard Law Review fucked around for a year kissing Republicans' asses in the vain attempt to get them to responsibly govern in lieu of screaming "SOCIALISM" at the top of their lungs and voting no all the time, I'd love to see Howard Dean get in there and spit some fiyah.

This bothers me, cause it's basically a criticism of tone, an inversion of what conservatives and soi-disant "moderates" leveled at Paul Krugman during Bush's first term.

Netroots liberals spent the better part of a decade defending the notion that someone could get angry still make valid points, that someone who cusses but speaks the truth is more worth listening to than a mannered nitwit with a Washington Post op-ed sinecure.  Now it's almost morphed to the idea that cussing makes you serious, and being calm makes you David Broder.  That's why really smart people defend Matt Taibbi columns which contain half a dozen or so obvious lies.

Obama made two mistakes of judgment that you can arguably file under being too conciliatory:

1)  Nominating relatively uncontroversial judges so they would be able to quickly fill vacancies on the court.  They've been held up by Republican Senators despite not being objectionable.

2)  Proposing too small a stimulus package.  They apparently expected the size of the bill to increase as it went through Congress, when in fact it got shaved down.  They had reasons for this: a lot of bills in recent history (transportation, education, energy) wound up more expensive than when they were first proposed, but they badly misread how the DLC Dems needed to make a show of cutting costs.

But other than that?

I understand how frustrating it is to see the centrists be allowed to repeatedly blackmail their party and be rewarded for it, but asking for Obama to "fight" rather than "suck up" is an emotional response.  Who really thinks he'd could make those guys act productive by snarling at them?  Every problem Senator either outpolled Obama by 10 points in their state, or is Joe Lieberman.

You know who's been way more of a force for good than anyone could have expected?  Max Baucus.  The guy is arguably the most conservative Democrat in the Senate, but he's been a driving force to get a bill done.  That happened because Obama co-opted him and made him feel that the administration's cause was his cause as well.  He got treated with kid gloves.  Yeah, he spent too much time courting the ladies from Maine, but if Obama had tried to strong-arm him?  Baucus would have treated Obama like Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Bob Kerrey treated Bill Clinton.

Coalition politics means grovelling and scraping at the feet of people who don't have your respect and don't deserve it.  You don't have to like it, but if you care more about helping millions of people whose lives are affected by this more than you care about punishing a few pompous officeholders, then you have to accept the reality of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2010, 03:33:54 AM
Reader's Digest Condensed Mandark:

Obama's not running into problems because he's too darned nice.  He's running into problems because he's trying to push an ambitious (though not radical) liberal agenda through political institutions that are biased against ambitious liberal legislation.  The reader is advised not to vote Republican in a fit of pique.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2010, 08:35:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark
Coalition politics means grovelling and scraping at the feet of people who don't have your respect and don't deserve it.  You don't have to like it, but if you care more about helping millions of people whose lives are affected by this more than you care about punishing a few pompous officeholders, then you have to accept the reality of it.

The thing is, the politicians that I and lots of other people have (at times against our better judgment) given money to, made calls for, knocked on doors for and otherwise given blood, sweat and tears for don't get that.  I don't mind it so much with the blue dogs, because it's in their nature anyway and a lot of them are going to lose their jobs this November.  That's the cost of not being able to govern.

What really pisses me off are all of the "progressives" who refuse to hold their nose and give 30 million people access to health care.  They're seriously fucking up and should have to pay for it.  But they're in safe seats and won't have to, and since they're politicians it's pretty much accepted that they're too stupid to learn anything.

So I'll schlep my ass to the polls in November, and I'll vote for these assholes again.  But I'm not gonna give them one fucking dime or one fucking minute of my time if they fail to get anything done on health care and financial reform.  Nothing.  Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Gruco on January 22, 2010, 01:47:45 PM
Definitely sympathetic to the idea that Financial reform should have been tackled first.  The thing is, it wouldn't have prevented movement on the others for any reason. Waxman-Markey passed months before the priority Health Care Bill after all.  If Obama and Congressional leadership made financial reform their priority, he'd have been spending all summer with the populist rage as his tailwind, and then once Healthcare came up as the new priority it'd be much further along, and harder to drag out.

In theory, at least.  It's hard to predict alternative universes.  Just as easily Obama could have failed on financial reform as Wall St picked off votes, and without the deadlines and public pressure Health Care could have stalled out in gang of six phase.  So whatever.  It is what it is, I guess, and such is the problem with coming to office with no less that four large scale, high priority legislative initiatives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2010, 01:51:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMlPE1lV_5Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2010, 02:54:14 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 22, 2010, 08:35:44 AM
What really pisses me off are all of the "progressives" who refuse to hold their nose and give 30 million people access to health care.  They're seriously fucking up and should have to pay for it.  But they're in safe seats and won't have to, and since they're politicians it's pretty much accepted that they're too stupid to learn anything.

Amen to that.

This is one time I'd really recommend calling your rep's office.  Enough progressive activists have been trying to kill the bill that they really need to be encouraged to vote for it.

I'm about to ring up Donna Edwards' office and urge her to do the right thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 22, 2010, 05:49:44 PM
I kind of disagree. Obama pretty much deferred to Congress when it came to health care reform, and really did not have much of a "plan" (which was made up of loose, vague parameters) until people started screaming at town halls and showing up with firearms.

Nothing about this President is ever specific. That's not a problem with his constituents ("You guys just want a drinking buddy, you don't know how politics work!"), that's a problem with him as a leader.

As far as I can see, this is a President that has bent over for financial institutions, made questionable behind-closed-door promises and remained ambiguous on health care reform at a time when Congress needed a firm, public and specific vision for reform.

Obama has let his agenda get away from him not just because there are politicians opposed to social reforms, but because he never brings anything meaningful and concrete to the public. There's nothing tangible. The end result is everyone can interpret his agenda however they want, and there's a ton of noise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 22, 2010, 06:23:27 PM
Except that I speculate that many here would say that Democrats - as a party - have compromised too much. Now we are at a point where it's either something or nothing, and apparently some politicians wish to choose nothing - while completely forgetting that these types of reform are routinely revisited after passage.

I fail to see how that's difficult for you to understand, but hey, it is what it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on January 22, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
"Obama's financial reform falls short" (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31855.html)

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First, Obama proposes to limit the scope and size of large financial institutions. But he ignored suggestions to break up the existing financial behemoths, like Goldman, already in the “too big to fail” category. Instead, his proposed law would simply prevent other, smaller institutions from getting larger.

Of course, this only benefits existing companies, by shielding them from competition. And, of course, these existing companies would still be too big to fail.

So, when Obama says: “I'm also proposing that we prevent the further consolidation of our financial system,” he should not be surprised when people notice the word “further.” The problem isn’t further consolidation of the banking industry. The problem is the consolidation we already have. This is one big reason for the public’s anger.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31855.html#ixzz0dODXy2Al

 :yuck :yuck :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 22, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
I'm a fan of Olbermann, but Jon Stewart was fucking awesome with this segment. :lol

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/01/jon-stewart-says-keith-olbermann-wallows-in-the-fetid-swamp-of-name-calling.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2010, 08:59:19 PM
Quote
So here’s an idea, I have been told reliably, that leaders of both Houses are considering: The House would pass a version of the reconciliation bill containing the various amendments and send it to the Senate. The Senate would change it slightly (in ways that the House agreed to), which would require the House to vote on it again. Only after it got the revised reconciliation bill would the House take up the Senate bill. The House could then pass both bills and send both to the president. Problem solved, health-care passes, and we move on.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/01/how_the_democrats_may_solve_th.html

get it done dammit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2010, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 22, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
I'm a fan of Olbermann,


Why not just watch pro-wrestling instead?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 22, 2010, 10:34:17 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2010, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 22, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
I'm a fan of Olbermann,

Why not just watch pro-wrestling instead?

Whoa whoa whoa... let's not accuse pro-wrestling of being so over the top and whiny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2010, 11:58:42 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on January 22, 2010, 06:20:28 PM
I must say I find this fascinating, though I'm not sure how to relate to it.

My ideological opposites seem to be berating progressive democrats for not compromising enough.   ???


I suppose it's like someone said... yeah, maybe from a purely game theory perspective...

Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
seems a lot of these guys would rather bask in the certitude of their own, objective, metaphysical rightness than try to get results in the real world.

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 23, 2010, 10:51:59 AM
(http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/images/avatars/leaders/leaderavatar_joeplumber.jpg)

http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/leaders/ (http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/leaders/)

lawl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on January 23, 2010, 11:14:43 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 23, 2010, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: T EXP on January 23, 2010, 10:51:59 AM
(http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/images/avatars/leaders/leaderavatar_joeplumber.jpg)

http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/leaders/ (http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/leaders/)

lawl

(http://www.virtualmarchforlife.com/images/avatars/leaders/leaderavatar_steele.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 23, 2010, 12:37:47 PM
I also find it interesting that most of the women have their arms crossed for their avatars.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2010, 12:53:48 PM
Quote from: T EXP on January 23, 2010, 12:37:47 PM
I also find it interesting that most of the women have their arms crossed for their avatars.

Can't let those sinful titties just be SEEN, you know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 23, 2010, 05:37:41 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 22, 2010, 10:30:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 22, 2010, 07:13:21 PM
I'm a fan of Olbermann,


Why not just watch pro-wrestling instead?

Meh, I can understand people not liking Olbermann but at least he doesn't lie, or accuse republicans of being like Hitler for ignoring global warming or whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 24, 2010, 01:52:53 AM
Looks like Obama is putting Plouffe Daddy in charge of his cantankerous kids in Congress.  Thank Jesus. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/24/us/politics/24union.html?hp=&pagewanted=all)

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WASHINGTON — President Obama is reconstituting the team that helped him win the White House to counter Republican challenges in the midterm elections and recalibrate after political setbacks that have narrowed his legislative ambitions.

Mr. Obama has asked his former campaign manager, David Plouffe, to oversee House, Senate and governor’s races to stave off a hemorrhage of seats in the fall. The president ordered a review of the Democratic political operation — from the White House to party committees — after last week’s Republican victory in the Massachusetts Senate race, aides said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2010, 02:57:44 AM
Won't matter if dems cower in a corner on health care and other issues.

That being said, just imagine if they grew some balls and pushed a medicare buy-in (say 55yo), public option, drug negotiations, and expanded medicaid through reconciliation. Even I could win an election running on that list of accomplishments :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 24, 2010, 09:59:50 AM
I'm not sure all of that can go through reconciliation.  Medicare buy in and expanding medicaid almost certainly, public option probably not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 24, 2010, 10:21:36 AM
I think it will all be about the economy for 2010, not necessarily issues like health care reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 24, 2010, 09:59:50 AM
I'm not sure all of that can go through reconciliation.  Medicare buy in and expanding medicaid almost certainly, public option probably not.

They can get a robust public option through it.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4298028693_67cb3b7f18_o.png)
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/1-reconciliation-2-3-profit.html

It directly effects the budget. Maybe the question mark is there because Conrad gets to decide what's included, and he's no fan of a public option.

edit: hell, but even if they didn't go for a public option, a medicare buy in+drug negotiations+medicaid expansion+national exchange would be far better than anything we'd get if Brown had lost
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 24, 2010, 04:57:25 PM
That chart is kind of BS IMO.  It just shows that the stuff the bill provides polls positively and their costs poll negatively.  I don't think you can conclude anything meaningful by "averaging" those.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 25, 2010, 02:57:47 PM
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I Don't Even Want To Be Alive Anymore

By Rush Limbaugh
January 25, 2010 | Issue 46•04

I know there are a lot of people out there who are upset about some of the things I've been saying on my radio program lately. My comments about the situation in Haiti have hurt and angered many Americans who genuinely care about the plight of the Haitian people, and that hurt and anger will likely never go away. Many of you are probably wondering, "What would compel a human being to say things like that?" Well, here's your answer: I am a very bad person. And, to tell you the truth, I don't really want to be alive anymore.

Try to look at it from my point of view. I have no reason to live. In my 59 years, I've made millions of dollars, built a veritable media empire, and accomplished virtually everything that a man of my limited imagination and worldview could possibly accomplish. And yet, at this point, in no way could you refer to what I'm doing as "living," exactly. I just sort of exist. I derive no real pleasure from life. Oh, sure, I talk a big game about what a golf nut I am and how much I enjoy the taste of a fine cigar, but it's all horseshit. Complete and utter horseshit.

I don't enjoy that stuff. I don't enjoy anything. I don't even want to be here. The sadness and regret I feel every waking hour of my life is absolutely unbearable. I am a miserable pig and I do not want to exist.

The irony is that, even if I did die, the hell I would surely be sent to could not possibly be any worse than the bottomless pool of excrement I already paddle around in like some demented, shit-covered walrus. In fact, every time I hear my voice coming through the headphones I nearly gag, and I think, "What the fuck am I doing?" Why would I say that Michael J. Fox is faking his Parkinson's symptoms? Why would I find it funny to play a song called "Barack the Magic Negro"? Why would I tell people not to give aid to Haiti?

What the fuck is wrong with me?

I live in constant terror and that terror informs my every word, thought, and action.

See, the thing is, I honestly cannot control the bilious hatred and filth that oozes out of my mouth. I want to—believe me, I want to—but I can't. And every time I speak, a tiny voice inside my head is screaming, "Stop talking, you stupid, insensitive prick. JUST STOP FUCKING TALKING. All you do is spread hate and fear, and the world would be a better place without you, you worthless, amoral, cocksucking fuckface."

What I should really do is just commit suicide. I have this little Sunday ritual I started around the time I publicly compared the torture at Abu Ghraib to a fraternity prank, where I climb into my Jacuzzi and put a gun in my mouth. But I can never work up the guts to pull the trigger. A few times I came close to overdosing on prescription pain pills, but my goddamn doctors were always there to save me. If I had any sense, I would just hole myself up in a Red Roof Inn with a case of Jack Daniel's and slowly drink myself into the gaping maw of death itself.

But what can I say? I guess I'm just too much of a fat fucking pussy to follow through.

You know what? I wish someone would just kill me. I'm serious. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're thinking: "Oh my God, how can you say such a thing? You can't print that in a newspaper!" But see, I don't care anymore. I've cried my tears. I've battled my demons, and I've lost. It's over. It's all over. The only thing left for me to do now is just go away. Have I even once contributed a single ounce of good to humanity? Put me out of my misery. I wouldn't make a fuss. I wouldn't even humiliate myself by saying goodbye. For the first time in my odious, pitiful life, I'd accept my fate with quiet dignity.

Then I wouldn't have to live with my wretched, wretched self. Oh, the release.

I've imagined my death a thousand times over, and it's always the same. In my mind's eye, a serene setting comes into view. I see a funeral procession driving down some small-town Main Street in Nowheresville, U.S.A. On one side of the street, a collection of sycophants and morons are paying their respects in subliterate, sanctimonious tones. Meanwhile, on the other side of the street, I can just make out the faint image of a young boy, his brow furrowed in confusion, clutching the hand of his father. "Who is that man, Daddy?" he asks as the hearse containing my bloated, lifeless body rolls by. "Who is that person they speak of?" The father will then lower his head and say, "There, my son, go the remains of Rush Hudson Limbaugh, the most abominable lump of festering dog shit in the history of American broadcasting. May the likes of him never again soil or tarnish the greatness of our fair country."

Please forgive me, everyone. I am so sorry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 25, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
Is that an onion article?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 25, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 25, 2010, 03:08:39 PM
Is that an onion article?  :lol

No!!

[youtube=560,345]yes  :-[[/youtube]

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 26, 2010, 03:16:11 AM
Obama needs more ingenious ideas like the spending freeze. They'll definitely open up new doors for him when he steps down as president.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2mourr9.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2010, 03:45:10 AM
President McCain's influence moves from sunday talk shows to the White House
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 26, 2010, 03:14:22 PM
:piss Discretionary spending freeze :piss2


Okay, the policy isn't that bad cause they're freezing it at levels that are abnormally high thanks to the stimulus bill.  But it's symbolic, out of an administration that was meant to be willing to confront the actual big issues.  A health care bill would do much more for deficit reduction than a discretionary freeze, but they totally failed to get that message out so now they're kinda capitulating.

It's not good popular politics, either.  People might say they care about the deficit, but only when the economy's bad.  Job creation's about the only thing that really wins approval.

The only way this is good is if some Blue Dogs feel they have the cover to support other parts of the agenda.  But I get a feeling this wasn't something they negotiated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 26, 2010, 05:44:30 PM
another internet sensation believing his own hype

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2010/01/fbi_arrests_james_okeefe_at_landrieus_office.php

FBI Arrests James O'Keefe At Landrieu's Office

James O'Keefe, the conservative filmmaker who posed as a pimp in video stings at ACORN field offices, has been arrested by the FBI at Sen. Mary Landrieu's (D-LA) office in downtown New Orleans, in connection to what appears to be an attempt to wiretap the offiice, NOLA.com reports:

    FBI Special Agent Steven Rayes alleges that O'Keefe aided and abetted two others, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan, who dressed up as employees of a telephone company and attempted to interfere with the office's telephone system.

    A fourth person, Stan Dai, was accused of aiding and abetting Basel and Flanagan. All four were charged with entering fedral property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony.

O'Keefe gained notoriety for his secretly filmed ACORN videos, which caused a firestorm of media intrigue surrounding ACORN after O'Keefe posted them on the Andrew-Brietbart-owned blog Big Government last year.

UPDATE: Here is an affidavit signed by FBI Special Agent Steven Rayes. joseph basel et al.pdf


According to Rayes, O'Keefe and another man, Stan Dai, have admitted to federal agents that he helping plan, coordinate, and prepare for the attempted infiltration and wiretapping, and  the two men who allegedly posed as telephone company workers have admitted to entering Landrieu's office under false pretenses.

O'Keefe entered Landrieu's office and told a staffer there that he was waiting for someone to arrive, according to the affidavit. Special Agent Rayes states that two men, Joseph Basel and Robert Flanagan, then entered the office wearing blue denim work pants, blue work shirts, flourescent vests, tool belts, and carrying hard hats, and claimed to be workers for a telephone company.

O'Keefe then recorded them with his cell phone (which the staffer noticed) as Basel asked to see the office phone, "manipulated" the handset, and tried to call it with his cell phone, Rayes states. Basel and Flanagan said they needed access to the phone system, at which point the staffer directed them to the GSA office in the building, according to the affidavit. They went there, were asked for credentials, and said they had left their credentials in their vehicle; neither of them actually work for a phone company, according to the affidavit.

UPDATE II: The Swamp's Mark Silva reports that Flanagan, 24, is the son of the acting U.S. attorney in Shreveport, William Flanagan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2010, 05:49:25 PM
They should have let them carry on. Anything that gets Landrieu out of the senate is fine with me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 26, 2010, 06:16:49 PM
The spending freeze is another defensive Democratic move and gives the GOP argument (too much spending!) some legitimacy.  Oh wellz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 27, 2010, 04:22:29 PM
two of the people arrested have ties to the us intelligence community

http://rawstory.com/2010/01/men-charged-attempting-bug-landrieus-office-intelligence-links/

fascinating article
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 27, 2010, 05:14:08 PM
I wonder what Black Jimmy Carter is gonna say tonight.  I've decided that my time will be better spent at a Magic the Gathering booster draft at the local nerd store, so let me know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2010, 05:18:27 PM
I'll have it on in the background as I raid.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2010, 05:19:44 PM
I'll probably just watch Mythbusters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2010, 05:22:35 PM
if i hear "bipartisan" 5 times i'll turn it off
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 27, 2010, 10:38:13 PM
Stop quoting the fucking Bible.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on January 28, 2010, 12:22:39 AM
Anybody else watch the State of the Union speech tonight?  I sat through all of it.  I liked a lot of what was said, and I am curious to see how it's going to be implemented. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2010, 02:24:46 AM
I'll let GAF's Pantherlotus sum up how I feel about tonight's speech:

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Originally Posted by PantherLotus:
The part I really want is the last 4/5 minutes where he starts resetting the Change message.

If you don't hear that appeal to every inner-political dork, to every person that ever wanted to serve our nation to make it better, to every person of this great nation that both loves and lives for the Constitution and capital-F Freedom, you have no clue how important that moment was (and why Republicans were literally hypnotized to applause).

The moment was something being overlooked here, I think. The room was absolutely silent, and he had every single one of them with his fist around their heart. Huge moment. Speaker Pelosi and I can't have been the only two watching and listening that were near tears. Simply amazing.

:yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2010, 03:21:48 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on January 28, 2010, 03:10:20 AM
Quote from: andrwfields on January 28, 2010, 12:22:39 AM
Anybody else watch the State of the Union speech tonight?

Unfortunately.  It's still mind bottling that this man has "Constitutional law professor" on his resume.

Yes.  It does bottle the mind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on January 28, 2010, 07:39:51 AM
Agreed with that right wing blog comment. A whole lot of nothing said. You're a good speaker, but you promised a lot of shit that doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
i, for one, can't wait for the republicans to get in charge again so that they can solve the issues of the day
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 28, 2010, 10:56:57 AM
well, at least they'd round up the gays and the socialists and the abortion doctors
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2010, 11:01:07 AM
i don't think so

i mean they had their supermajority, total democratic acquiescence, and the pure belligerence to do whatever they felt they could, but in the end it didn't really amount to much beyond foreign adventurism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2010, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2010, 11:01:07 AM
i don't think so

i mean they had their supermajority, total democratic acquiescence, and the pure belligerence to do whatever they felt they could, but in the end it didn't really amount to much beyond foreign adventurism

Be fair- they also had a deregulatory jamboree and for kicks threw a tax cutting bacchanalia in there as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
all of which seemed to have helped the deficit which is suddenly so important

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 28, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
all of which seemed to have helped the deficit which is suddenly so important

Of course it is!

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Title: Also, there were a lot of really complex causes behind the Civil War...
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2010, 03:43:12 PM
Obama says they plan on repealing DADT.  That's a good thing, but boy howdy is it gonna be a depressing spectacle.

Get ready for a ton of beating-around-the-bush, passive aggressive defenses of the policy as soon as it's up for debate in Congress.  Maybe 5% of prominent conservatives still have the balls to be honest about this.  The rest are going to talk about troop morale how wonderfully successful it's been and how we're in the middle of a war.

Oh hey, it's started already (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0110/McCain_objects_on_Dont_Ask.html)!  Wheeee!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2010, 03:54:18 PM
I thought it was going to be in the defense appropriations bill?

Oh well, nothing destroys troop morale like a never ending quagmire/lack of body armor/ getting blown up (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/middleeast/04sensors.html?_r=3&hp)/etc gays in your foxhole
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 28, 2010, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2010, 03:54:18 PM
gays in your foxhole
that could be a movie title.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2010, 04:14:28 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/breitbart-and-shuster-battle-on-air-over-okeefe.php?ref=fpb
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 28, 2010, 05:14:00 PM
So how is the GOP explaining that spending freezes and small business tax cuts and other GOP platform agenda items are now evil and liberal?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2010, 05:19:05 PM
spending freezes on our military and tax cuts for abortion clinics omfg obama!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 28, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2010, 05:19:05 PM
spending freezes on our military and tax cuts for abortion clinics omfg obama!
yeah, pretty much follow the health care playbook.  Just outright lie about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2010, 07:38:19 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-thinks-president-obama-go
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Powerslave on January 28, 2010, 07:45:22 PM
clear your inbox pd
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 28, 2010, 09:19:57 PM
My man, Cenk has the right idea on how Obama should achieve bipartisanship:

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You don't get bipartisanship by asking politely. Obama made the mistake of asking Republicans over for tea in his first year in office and thought he could charm them into voting his way. You don't swing votes by asking politely, you swing them by implicit political threats. You do it with political force.

So, in financial reform Obama shouldn't ask Republicans to vote with him, he should dare them not to. He should say:

    "You want to vote with the bankers. Go ahead. I dare you. Every day I'm going to talk about how these bankers took hard-earned taxpayer money and turned it into record bonuses for themselves. I'm going to show pictures of their yachts and mansions. And then I'm going to say you want to protect them so you can hang out with them on their private jets and play with them in their vacation hideaways. I'm going to take a cut out of you and put it on a picture of their yacht. I'm going to name names. I'm going to make you famous. You still want to vote with the bankers. Make my fucking day."

That's how you get the opposition to vote with you. Who cares if their feelings are hurt, you'll get their votes if, and only if, they think their seat is on the line. Politics is almost always a matter of naked self-interest. Make it politically perilous for them to vote against you and all of a sudden they'll be in a lot more bipartisan mood.

This is one of the few things George Bush did well. Why do you think all those Democrats voted for the Iraq War, because they liked Bush? Because he asked them nicely? No, he made them believe that they will lose their seats if they didn't vote with him. And all of a sudden, he had a solid bipartisan vote in favor his policy.

The new conventional wisdom in DC is that the Democrats are devastated after the Massachusetts loss. And of course there are many who are suggesting that they listen to the Republicans from now on. What the hell are they talking about? The Democrats still have 59 senators! Let me do some quick math for you - that's 18 more senators than the Republicans have. That's a crushing majority, if you're willing to use it.

Bush and Cheney got everything passed with far less senators. Do you think Cheney would have been belly-aching that he only had 59 senators and that he couldn't do anything until he had 60 or more?

If Barack Obama finally does what he was elected to do -- stand up for the people and take on the establishment, there isn't anything he couldn't do with 59 senators. Hit the bankers, hit them hard and dare the Republicans to get in the way. The absolute worst case scenario is that you lose the vote but the Republicans make the dramatic mistake of filibustering to protect the bankers' bonuses. If you thought people were pissed before, wait till you see what happens to the party that makes that mistake.

It's not time to sulk; it's time to saddle up and ride. So far Obama has practiced unilateral disarmament. As the Republicans have pounded on him over and over again, he did not lay out his case or the case against the Republicans for fear of alienating them. What if they got mad and didn't vote with him? I hope to God he's passed that now with the wake up call in Massachusetts.

It's time to stand up for what you believe and challenge the craven positions of your opposition. It's time to show the American people that the Republicans are not on their side. They're with the bankers and the lobbyists. And we're coming for them. We're coming to their house. They can either get out of our way or get crushed. Come on, let's play ball. Let's fuck these guys up.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/how-to-get-bipartisanship_b_432607.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/how-to-get-bipartisanship_b_432607.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 29, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/01/29/2189180.aspx
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GOP Conference Chairman Mike Pence (R-IN) held an off-camera/on-the-record talk with the press. He reiterated that they invited the President here and look forward to finding a way towards compromise.  However, he followed that with: "Before we can talk about compromise there has to be, the Democratic in the White and Congress have to abandon the habit of reflexively rejecting every idea just because it comes from Republicans[/u]."
:wtf are you kidding me?  :maf



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 29, 2010, 02:31:34 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
I guess Faux news cut away from covering Obama addressing the GOP because the ass whipping was to great for them to handle. The truth hurts, eh Fox?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
this is rich

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GOP Senator  Orrin Hatch is now warning that if Dems pass health care reform via reconciliation it will lead to permanent “war” between the two parties — even though he voted for more than a half dozen GOP bills passed through the process known as…reconciliation.

Here’s Hatch, in an interview with the Salt Lake Tribune, claiming that if Dems use reconciliation it would constitute one of the most despotic acts in the history of the republic:

    Hatch said Thursday that using reconciliation would be “one of the worst grabs for power in the history of the country” that would permanently impact relations between the two parties.

    “It is going to be outright war and it should be, because it would be such an abuse of the reconciliation rules,” Hatch said. “If they abuse those rules it is going to lead to even more heated animosities between not just the two parties, but even between individual senators.”

Which is interesting, because Hatch voted for…

* The College Cost Reduction Act of 2007, which passed through reconciliation;

* The Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005, which passed through reconciliation;

* The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, which passed through reconciliation;

* The Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, which passed through reconciliation;

* The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, which passed through reconcilation;

* The Marriage Tax Penalty Relief Reconciliation Act of 2000, which passed through reconciliation; and

* The Taxpayer Refund and Relief Act of 1999, which passed through reconciliation.

Perhaps Hatch would argue that passing health care reform through reconciliation would constitute an abuse of the process in a way that his own votes didn’t. Maybe someone should ask him to explain?
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/hatch-vows-reconciliation-will-lead-to-permanent-war-beween-parties-but-he-backed-many-reconciliation-bills/

How do you work with people like this? It seems like Obama has more than enough cover to say "ok we tried, but they stood in the way. This issue is too important for the American people, I cannot and will not allow it to be hijacked any longer by obstructionists with no interest in serious debate or discussion" and give full support for reconciliation, while behind the scenes seeing if a public option or medicare buy-in are possible.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 29, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 29, 2010, 02:19:11 PM

(http://i47.tinypic.com/6syiok.jpg)

Amazing how all of that still went on before global warming became an issue. Let's continue the fallacy that if you are against it, you are against the environment. Seems to be working real well.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 29, 2010, 03:43:23 PM
Let's see, who's against global warming?
Big oil, coal, and every industry with high carbon emissions
Creationists
So it's really hard to not drop deniers in this same group of liers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 29, 2010, 03:45:50 PM
you know who else supports climate change science?

bin laden.

so one more thing you liberals have in common with a certified america hating terrorist
Title: They are pure of intention and noble of heart.
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2010, 04:20:15 PM
IIRC, TA's argument is that because the clean air and water acts in the 70's passed, that proves that there's no constituency in US politics that's naturally distrustful of the environmental movement, nor any business lobbies which try to block action for selfish reasons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 29, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
when was bin laden first active?

the 70s

it all adds up

the green movement is bin laden's long term plan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 29, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2010, 05:16:38 PM
Obama annihilating republicans for 90min in a Q&A
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002521/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on January 29, 2010, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2010, 05:16:38 PM
Obama annihilating republicans for 90min in a Q&A
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002521/

 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 29, 2010, 05:58:49 PM
Wow, Obama's actually hitting back pretty hard. It's kinda refreshing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2010, 06:03:28 PM
but obama, think of the children in the front row  :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2010, 02:14:18 AM
The Senate rejected a version of the spending freeze but reinstated Pay As You Go.  I'm not clear on the differences.

It passed on a 60-40 vote, which is kinda mind boggling.  All the GOP senators voted against a provision whose entire purpose is to limit new spending.  I've googled for 10-15 minutes and can't find a statement or press release explaining it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 30, 2010, 02:31:31 AM
This country is sooooo fucked once Scott Brown is seated.  Some poll came back with the result that only like 26% of the country knew about 60 seats in the Senate to invoke cloture.  Dems are gonna get blamed hardcore for nothing happening between now and November.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2010, 02:33:35 AM
because it says tax increases are a way to reduce the deficit/pay for shit?
Title: Where have you gone, Howard Baker? A lonely nation turns its eyes to you
Post by: Mandark on January 30, 2010, 04:07:14 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 30, 2010, 02:31:31 AM
This country is sooooo fucked once Scott Brown is seated.  Some poll came back with the result that only like 26% of the country knew about 60 seats in the Senate to invoke cloture.  Dems are gonna get blamed hardcore for nothing happening between now and November.

Supermajority requirement + intractable opposition party = long term fucked.  That's how California got stuck in its perpetual crisis.

So what's it gonna be?  Institutional reforms, grown-ups taking charge of the GOP, or gradual descent into a fiscal nightmare?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 30, 2010, 09:45:31 AM
There are no grown-ups left in the GOP.  None who wouldn't immediately have to apologize to Herr Limbaugh after saying something he didn't like or working with the enemy.  Best hope is that the Dems in the Senate go nuclear in the next session of Congress, and pass whatever they can through reconciliation in the meantime.

But probably gradual descent into a fiscal nightmare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 30, 2010, 12:39:55 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on January 30, 2010, 09:45:31 AM
There are no grown-ups left in the GOP


(http://www.thetruthczar.com/wp-content/uploads/1-glenn-beck-smirk.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 30, 2010, 05:16:32 PM
Almost ancient but I really enjoyed this story:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 30, 2010, 05:24:59 PM
Can't get over Obama's ass whooping of the republicans yesterday.

He handled them as if they were democrats. :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2010, 12:45:34 AM
(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/virginiafoxxtwit012910.jpg)
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2010, 12:56:08 AM
That's now my second favorite political tweet ever.

I should watch that House Retreat thing.  Sounds like Obama respectfully and politely destroyed 'em.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 31, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2010, 12:56:08 AM
That's now my second favorite political tweet ever.

I should watch that House Retreat thing.  Sounds like Obama respectfully and politely destroyed 'em.

Good WH link:  http://www.whitehouse.gov/videos/2010/January/012910_BaltimoreMD.m4v
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2010, 01:03:50 AM
Dude pop some popcorn, it's amazing stuff. And you don't have to be a political genius to dissect many of the arguments made. Example
[youtube=560,345]QGcR222Z98o[/youtube]
Title: Balls? Balz.
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2010, 02:21:42 AM
I've seen a couple clips and I'll definitely watch the whole thing.

Predictably though, most coverage at the big legacy outlets are like this WaPo piece (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/30/AR2010013001492.html?hpid=topnews).  GOP and Obama say they want bipartisanship, but spar politely at retreat.  Some say it's the Republicans' fault, some say it's Obama's fault, blah blah blah.

I've got nothing new to say about this that Bob Somerby didn't say a decade ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2010, 02:39:13 AM
Soo word on the street is that Matt Taibbi owned David Brooks here
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/27/populism-just-like-racism/

but it's way too long, and I don't like Taibbi that much anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2010, 02:55:31 AM
He tore Brooks a new one recently after the "Haiti is poor because they worship voodoo; wotta bunch of losers" column.

I think of Taibbi in the same category as Michael Moore.  They're generally on the side of the angels, they've gotten people to pay attention to important issues which weren't getting much play from the media, and they're fun polemicists when they're firing on all cylinders.  But they're also both capable enough of dishonesty that I'd never believe something they told me without checking the sources, and they seem to love shit-stirring just a bit too much.  It's like Hitchens before the turn.

All that said, Taibbi's worth a thousand David Brookses.  His passive-aggressive "Oh, but I'm a moderate, Burkean conservative!" schtick gets under my skin in a way that the direct bloodlust of a Charles Krauthammer doesn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 01, 2010, 04:34:36 AM
Shame you weren't a conservative Mandark, you could have been a great Glen Beck fan.

Title: Now who's seeing things in black and white?
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2010, 05:06:53 AM
Wouldn't the better comparison be Rush Limbaugh, who you were a listener of but realized you couldn't trust when he turned apologist for the Bush I tax hike?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2010, 12:44:09 PM
Nah, if he was a conservative he'd still be rather smart. And as such Mandark would gravitate towards the intellectual idea men of the movement, such as Gingrich
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 01, 2010, 02:04:22 PM
you mean david brooks :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2010, 02:19:12 PM
I'd patiently await Mandark's weekly State of the Bore post, complete with pseudo social labels for all posters

But which poster would he become obsessed with, almost to the point of sexual fantasies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 01, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
boogie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2010, 02:30:46 PM
So we'd get a Boogie police academy valedictorian speech fanfic  :heartbeat

But some weeks he'd be disappointed with Boggie and wonder why he was (allegedly) acting like Kosma
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2010, 04:19:22 PM
At this point, I'm beginning to wonder whether Specter is planning on releasing a rap album

Quote
At a Pennsylvania Progressive forum this Saturday, Sen. Arlen Specter (D-PA) and Rep. Joe Sestak (D-PA) were supposed to be doing separate Q&As, one after the other.

But Specter apparently jumped the gun and climbed onstage while Sestak was giving his closing remarks, and a moderator asked him to get off the stage.

Watch, care of PCN:
[youtube=560,345]vEitIiaQtN8[/youtube]
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/specter-to-sestak-imma-let-you-finish.php?ref=tn

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 01, 2010, 04:34:24 PM
Wow, Specter came off like kind of a jerk when he began pointing to his watch. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 01, 2010, 04:39:44 PM
Pat Toomey is going to beat Specter this November, which is really depressing.  But Pennsylvania has a track record of inexplicably electing skeezy right wing Senators who try pretend they're not skeezy right wingers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 01, 2010, 04:42:41 PM
I can't wait for the Democrats to get voted out because people want change, the Republicans come back into power, make things worse, people vote Democrats back in for change, they do nothing and/or make things worse, vote the Republicans back into power, etc.

Stop this crazy planet, I want off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2010, 04:45:43 PM
Specter will probably off himself after he loses his seat  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on February 01, 2010, 06:32:28 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 01, 2010, 02:24:54 PM
boogie
:o

...
 
 :-*

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2010, 10:35:46 PM
Now Prole's trollin on the facebooks cause I talked (limited) smack about Taibbi.

The problem is that he's become an avatar for fed up liberalism, and any criticism of him gets perceived as an attack on the expression of honest anger or use of cuss words when discussing politics.  So no matter what you say, it immediately turns into installment 512,207 of The Role of Tone In Political Discussion, an ongoing series.

Of course, they're absolutely right on the larger issue of tone.  If something is genuinely outrageous (and many things often are in US politics) then people should be allowed to express genuine outrage and anger without being dismissed.  Enforcing rules about politeness and decorum creates a huge bias in favor of the status quo by limiting participation to those who are comfortable with it.  Anyone who feels genuinely aggrieved is on the outside.

The problem is honesty.  You read Taibbi's stuff enough and you'll catch him misinforming or misleading the reader in ways that have to be deliberate.  I'm not talking about hyperbole for comic or emphatic effect, either.  I'm talking about times when he quotes statistics or describes versions of events in ways that are flat out disingenuous.

He doesn't do it all the time, and he probably doesn't even do it most of the time.  But he does it enough that I've learned not to simply take his word for things.  Nobody yet has given me a good explanation of why I should gloss over these things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 01, 2010, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 01, 2010, 05:06:53 AM
Wouldn't the better comparison be Rush Limbaugh, who you were a listener of but realized you couldn't trust when he turned apologist for the Bush I tax hike?

Yea, I just didn't feel like editing it. I went to bed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2010, 11:02:22 PM
The point was to get you introspecting enough to get off yer high horse, not that Limbaugh's an exact (or even terribly close) equivalent of Taibbi.

Everybody tolerates a certain amount of misbehavior among people who are fighting what they see to be the good fight.  You've personally been on the Gingrich, McCain, Giuliani, and Buckley bandwagons IIRC.  It's not like you're doling out praise only to the worthiest of worthies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 01, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
I think there is a line of distinction between admiring/respecting politicians, policy makers or people with a rare good ideas versus championing blind pitbulls chained to an ideology. What good does Pat Buchanan do for political discourse, his party or America in general? Don't get me wrong, there's times when Taibbi or Buchanan can have a paragraph or a few lines that are absolute spun gold .. but it's merely posturing and bravado. 

So, to say he is worth 1000 David Brooks is overstating his value immensely. Brooks has the ability to shift public opinion (from either side of the aisle), Taibbi and Buchanan merely convince people to remain in their shells.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2010, 12:16:50 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 01, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
So, to say he is worth 1000 David Brooks is overstating his value immensely. Brooks has the ability to shift public opinion (from either side of the aisle), Taibbi and Buchanan merely convince people to remain in their shells.

I sincerely don't know what that means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2010, 01:09:27 AM
Oh well. I was hoping you'd agree with me and we could walk off arm in arm.

As a centrist, Brooks' columns/ideas have the potential to shift thought more than someone coming from a more polarized, excitable corner of the political spectrum.

So, it would seem to me that you would want someone like David Brooks on "your side" of the issue, then the ever predictable Matt Taibbi. Which makes his opinion on things a bit more valuable in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2010, 01:41:48 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 01, 2010, 02:55:31 AM
He tore Brooks a new one recently after the "Haiti is poor because they worship voodoo; wotta bunch of losers" column.

I think of Taibbi in the same category as Michael Moore.  They're generally on the side of the angels, they've gotten people to pay attention to important issues which weren't getting much play from the media, and they're fun polemicists when they're firing on all cylinders.  But they're also both capable enough of dishonesty that I'd never believe something they told me without checking the sources, and they seem to love shit-stirring just a bit too much.  It's like Hitchens before the turn.

All that said, Taibbi's worth a thousand David Brookses.  His passive-aggressive "Oh, but I'm a moderate, Burkean conservative!" schtick gets under my skin in a way that the direct bloodlust of a Charles Krauthammer doesn't.

Absolutely. I basically agree with his position on Goldman Sachs, but I had a list of issues with it. He tries to have it both ways, criticizing them for one thing, then when they change tack and do the opposite, blasting them for that as well. Yes they're evil, but his position is just inconsistent sometimes. Plus, he plays the 'guilty by association' card far too much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2010, 01:44:39 AM
mandark has a facebook?  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 02, 2010, 01:46:58 AM
I don't think so, or else I would know about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 02, 2010, 01:52:14 AM
mandark: a narcissist? :o :o :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 02, 2010, 03:34:49 AM
Let's talk this shit out over an Applebee's saladbar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2010, 03:42:33 AM
Colbert annihilating Harold Ford jr
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/02/harold-ford-panders-to-st_n_445854.html

kinda bummed no Wu Tang jokes have spawned from all this "visiting Staten Island by helicopter" talk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 03, 2010, 02:24:44 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 03, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/supreme_court_allows?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/supreme_court_allows?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
The onion has been killing it lately.

So in a 5-4 decision, I can marry a corporation, but not the man I love. :'(

I mean, theoretically. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 03, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 03, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/supreme_court_allows?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/supreme_court_allows?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
The onion has been killing it lately.

This one on the front page made me LOL

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Bald Eagle Tired Of Everyone Just Assuming It Supports War
February 1, 2010 | Issue 46•05

 
The symbol of American might called the 2003 invasion of Iraq "ill-advised at best, illegal at worst."

THE OREGON WILDERNESS—Frustrated by the widely held assumption that he unequivocally endorses the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, a bald eagle said Monday that his thoughts on the conflicts were far more nuanced than many Americans might expect.

Speaking to reporters from his nest in the upper branches of a 175-foot ponderosa pine tree, the eagle explained that each member of his species was different and none should be taken for granted as a lockstep supporter of American military policy.

"I think World War II was justified, and I got behind the first Gulf War [in 1990]," said the bird, who has served as the national symbol of the United States since 1782. "But the recent war in Iraq, with its shifting rationale and poor planning, was clearly a huge mistake. Personally, I believe that these crucial, life-and-death matters deserve more honest and less politicized discussion than they get."

"I'm not a hawk or a dove," he added. "I'm an eagle."

The majestic bird of prey, who said he is not registered with any political party, admitted to having some ambivalence about the current mission in Afghanistan, lamenting that any argument one could make seemed to prompt an equally valid counterpoint.

The eagle said he would like to visit Iraq someday, but is worried it might cause impromptu firefights.
"Sure, I understand the reasoning behind the latest troop surge," the eagle said regarding President Obama's plan to commit 30,000 additional soldiers to the region to combat the Taliban. "Can we allow that country to collapse and become an al-Qaeda safe haven again? That seems like a disastrous outcome to me, but at the same time, maybe our continued presence is just creating more terrorists in the long run. Plus, how can we work with someone as corrupt as [Afghan president] Hamid Karzai and still purport to be champions of democracy?"

"You see, these issues are not so cut and dried," continued the Haliaeetus leucocephalus specimen. "And yet, every time I try to explain myself from atop a flag pole or the middle of a baseball field, no one wants to listen. They just cheer and chant 'U.S.A.! U.S.A! U.S.A.!'"

Sources said the eagle then excused himself and launched into the air with a shrill "skree!" sound, returning three minutes later with a glistening fish in his talons.

"And another thing: We can't forget Pakistan," the eagle said as he used his hooked beak to tear at the flesh of the writhing rainbow trout. "We have to make sure that they're not so preoccupied with India that they neglect the terrorist threats within their own borders. Remember, Pakistan has nukes."

The eagle went on to tell reporters that, despite his attempts to individuate himself from the general public's perceptions of bald eagles, he could ultimately control his image only so much. He also admitted that he still had lingering resentment over the fact that someone had covertly photographed him crying on 9/11 and used the picture on a "Never Forget" dinner plate.

"I really hated being exploited like that," the eagle said. "Of course I cried on 9/11. Everyone did. But I guess that's the burden of being the symbol of a nation: People are going to use you in ways you don't always like. You step out of the nest to clear your head with a few minutes of soaring, and people automatically peg you as some kind of embodiment of American freedom worth killing and dying for."

"And, frankly, that's a little messed up," he added. "I'm just a bird."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2010, 05:07:42 PM
[youtube=560,345]yo7HiQRM7BA[/youtube]
Quote
The best way to view California Senate Candidate Carly Fiorina's awesomely bizarre new primary campaign ad--which includes shots of an alien robot sheep, or something--is by pressing play on your cassette tape of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of The Moon just as you click play on YouTube.

The coolest part of the whole thing is that Fiorina is positing fiscal conservatives as sheep, which is a bit like Barack Obama running a spot that posits liberals as leeches or lizards. Also, is it weird that the ad never shows Fiorina's face? Is it better that voters know their candidates by the backs of their heads? More please, more.

ALSO: I must state the obvious: The odd genius of the ad is that it is so weird that you will click on it online, and bloggers like me will link to it. The message is delivered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 03, 2010, 06:37:53 PM
Jon Stewart's gonna be on Bill O tonight. :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2010, 08:10:02 PM
Ezra Klein on it

Quote
It's almost impossible for me to believe that this ad comparing fiscal conservatives to sheep -- but in a good way! -- is real. But it is! The problem with Tom Campbell, the ad says, is all of his independent thought.

Campbell is, to use a current metaphor on this blog, sort of a Paul Ryan figure in California. Very, very conservative. But interested in making progress on the issues facing the state. And that's exactly what the ad takes aim at. The narrator goes through efforts Campbell made to solve problems, and then asks the audience, can you believe all this responsible governance he attempted? The worst part is it's probably effective. Governance is unpopular! After all, if the solutions to all our problems were popular, then we wouldn't have all these problems lying around.

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 03, 2010, 08:55:54 PM
It's funny because he was on video game message boards a decade or so ago, talking about macking on chicks.

http://www.consolecity.com/forum/member.php?u=336
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on February 03, 2010, 11:56:57 PM
So apparently wolves have red laser eyes?
are they...cyber-wolves  :o
If so does that imply non-conservatives are evil robots from the future?

Man, Avatar is having too much influence on society!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 12:02:25 AM
Quote from: T EXP on February 03, 2010, 08:55:54 PM
It's funny because he was on video game message boards a decade or so ago, talking about macking on chicks.

http://www.consolecity.com/forum/member.php?u=336
:lol

I saw some videos of him and he's a total mouth breather. Makes sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 04, 2010, 02:21:42 AM
Hey guys. Check this out:

Survey against Self-identifying Republicans:

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/M3wThr33/dkos2.png)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/M3wThr33/dkos1.png)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/M3wThr33/dkos3.png)

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/mcgop-virtues-and-vices-of-sameness.html

Basically, if you're Republican, you all think the same. VERY little deviation UNLESS you're not-white and asked about a racist topic or Palin.

Reading the 538 comments are great. Basically Republicans see this as a sign of strength and not one of brainwashing. I'd much rather live in a world where people have different ideas and can discuss things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 03:20:03 AM
and these are the people who will sweep in a wave of republicans in november

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 04, 2010, 06:55:27 AM
I thought the GOP has been known for years to be a party where everyone was in lockstep with one another.

The GOP voters will just swallow the talking points whole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2010, 07:51:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 12:02:25 AM
Quote from: T EXP on February 03, 2010, 08:55:54 PM
It's funny because he was on video game message boards a decade or so ago, talking about macking on chicks.

http://www.consolecity.com/forum/member.php?u=336
:lol

I saw some videos of him and he's a total mouth breather. Makes sense.

Ezra Klein mouth breather?

wha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 01:03:25 PM
yea dude, I'll try to find the video. it was a recent panel on health care
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 04, 2010, 02:06:36 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 04, 2010, 06:55:27 AM
I thought the GOP has been known for years to be a party where everyone was in lockstep with one another.

The GOP voters will just swallow the talking points whole.
It was KNOWN but not proven. This just proves it. Sadly, the more organized a party is, the greater power they hold, regardless of intentions or intelligence.

:-/ For some reason I had Hannity on two days ago and a woman called in. She runs some business and wanted to rant about the Jobs bill. Basically she said if she hired someone, she still wouldn't have any more customers anyways and fire them a month later and they'd start collecting unemployment again.

You need to work for 6 months to collect unemployment. :-(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 04, 2010, 03:00:02 PM
I'm surprised that the birther nonsense is still so widely believed.  When Glenn Beck thinks its bullshit, you know its crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 04, 2010, 03:57:30 PM
I don't think Ezra Klein is a mouthbreather but I think it is clear that he will either be an official of some type or run for some kind of political office someday.  It would be interesting to see if something like internet forum activity would be scoured by the opposition and if something was discovered, whether it would be used against him, and also how the public reacts to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2010, 05:45:44 PM
If they want to make hay out of things he posted when he was ~15 years old, they're more than welcome.

I'm also not sure if mouthbreather means what you think it means. Even if he's a knob (which I've seen little evidence) I don't see any way you could claim he's too dumb to breath properly, which is what that term means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 06:22:01 PM
Too dumb to breath properly? That's not what mouthbreather means dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2010, 07:10:55 PM
What does it mean to you peedee?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 07:39:42 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 04, 2010, 07:10:55 PM
What does it mean to you peedee?
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/ID/218924&start=1567&end=1818
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2010, 07:51:37 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 04, 2010, 07:17:09 PM
Reconcilation is not representative, by Senator Judd Gregg (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32470.html)

This piece is a riot. Some highlights:

Quote
In a last-ditch effort to drag their bloated and unpopular $2.3 trillion health care reform package across the finish line, congressional Democrats, reeling from the loss of their 60th Senate seat, are reviewing their options to achieve this goal.

With the election of Republican Scott Brown to the U.S. Senate, more than 40 out of 100 senators now oppose the Democrats’ plan.

Shit, nothing should ever pass if a majority of 41% opposes it!

Quote
Democrats may attempt to use reconciliation to short-circuit every senator’s right and responsibility to fully debate a measure that will affect one-sixth of our economy.

Translation: short-circuit the minority party's right to suspend all debate.

Quote
If reconciliation is used, it will be a clear signal to Americans that the administration and the Democratic majority are willing to trample the spirit of the Senate in order to pass a highly partisan policy, regardless of the damage it does to the concept of representative government.

Kind of like how the Republicans have trampled the spirit of the Senate by using a procedural glitch to derail EVERYTHING they don't agree with?
smh

Where do they get 2.3 trillion from? Probably adding the full house/senate bills plus a few billions here or  there. Also it's funny reconciliation wasn't a senate killer when republicans used it to pass Bush's tax cuts and the perscription drug bill

I read somewhere that republicans can block reconciliation for 20 hours; they won't be able to submit endless amendments as Gregg has claimed they'll do.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2010, 02:26:26 AM
Wow... even Joe Klein has noticed that Republicans aren't serious, calling McCain out:  "the formerly virtuous John McCain, a sore loser who has reversed his position on practically everything lately." (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1958996,00.html)

I'd hesitate to call him "formerly virtuous" but nonetheless, this answers a long standing question of mine... are our pundits learning?  I guess so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2010, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 06, 2010, 02:26:26 AM
I'd hesitate to call him "formerly virtuous" but nonetheless, this answers a long standing question of mine... is our pundits learning?  I guess so.


Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 06, 2010, 02:57:17 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14341404?nclick_check=1

Anthem Blue Cross to hike California health premiums as much as 39 percent
Quote
LOS ANGELES — Anthem Blue Cross has told some customers it will raise their health insurance premiums as much as 39 percent beginning March 1.

The increases, reported today by the Los Angeles Times, involve as many as 800,000 customers who buy individual coverage. People with group coverage aren't affected.

In a statement, the Woodland Hills-based insurer declined to specify the size of the rate changes or how many people will be affected. The company — which is the largest for-profit health insurer in California — blames the increases on rising health care costs. It says its prices may be adjusted more frequently than its typical annual increases.

Anthem's rates are under review by the state insurance department.

Looks like the "Double by 2020" estimation is coming a fuck lot sooner. I wonder if that means 800,000 more people supporting health care reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2010, 07:20:39 PM
Para Sailin'  speaks @ 9PM tonight for the tea bagger suck-a-thon. Whats' the over under that she doesn't show up? :teehee

Can't wait to read the fact check tomorrow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2010, 12:50:15 AM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on February 06, 2010, 02:57:17 PM
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14341404?nclick_check=1

Anthem Blue Cross to hike California health premiums as much as 39 percent
Quote
LOS ANGELES — Anthem Blue Cross has told some customers it will raise their health insurance premiums as much as 39 percent beginning March 1.

The increases, reported today by the Los Angeles Times, involve as many as 800,000 customers who buy individual coverage. People with group coverage aren't affected.

In a statement, the Woodland Hills-based insurer declined to specify the size of the rate changes or how many people will be affected. The company — which is the largest for-profit health insurer in California — blames the increases on rising health care costs. It says its prices may be adjusted more frequently than its typical annual increases.

Anthem's rates are under review by the state insurance department.

Looks like the "Double by 2020" estimation is coming a fuck lot sooner. I wonder if that means 800,000 more people supporting health care reform.


I live in CA - check
I have anthem blue cross - check
I am on individual coverage - check

ffffffuuuuuu

I already spend like 10k a year on medical.  I wonder how many more thousand this is gonna raise that :\
Good thing I'm almost done with law school.  I need my BIG MONEY job soon so I don't die from Obama not getting the healthcare bill I need through.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 07, 2010, 12:52:08 AM
Quote from: Bebpo on February 07, 2010, 12:50:15 AM
Good thing I'm almost done with law school. 

(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/salaries-1.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2010, 01:01:11 AM
 :'(

At least when I just checked my insurance stuff, it's only going up by $12 a month with this raise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on February 07, 2010, 01:29:09 AM
Government health plan :rock

90k a year gross w/ overtime :rock

Socialism :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 07, 2010, 08:34:08 AM
How is it possible for health costs to double by 2020? Where the fuck does the money go? How the fuck is the rest of the world so much better at this than we are?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 07, 2010, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Boogie on February 07, 2010, 01:29:09 AM
Government health plan :rock

90k a year gross w/ overtime :rock

Socialism :rock

wtf. 

There are doctors in the us who don't make this much  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 07, 2010, 11:28:53 AM
Couldn't the state insurance department refuse to allow the rate increase? 39% is pretty ridiculous. I can't see how they could even attempt to justify that.

Found this today:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-soda-tax7-2010feb07,0,282916.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-soda-tax7-2010feb07,0,282916.story)

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Beverage industry douses tax on soft drinks
The idea had been floated as a way to finance a healthcare overhaul while combating obesity. But the industry has lobbied key lawmakers and financed scientific studies favorable to its position.

Reporting from Washington - Employing a broad-based lobbying effort, the soft drink industry has smothered a plan to tax sugared beverages -- a plan advocates said would have reduced obesity and helped finance healthcare reform.

Only months ago, public health advocates thought the tax would be a natural for congressional Democrats looking for revenue to fund expanded health insurance coverage. The soaring costs of treating ailments related to excess weight -- including diabetes and heart disease -- added urgency to the issue.

Is there any good idea that lobbyists can't kill?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 07, 2010, 11:53:22 AM
Well, it IS under investigation, but like fuck they'll do anything. Hell, the Comcast/NBC merger and Ticketmaster/Livenation merger were approved and those contradict SOOO fucking much.

Also, check this:
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/M3wThr33/0207_sarah_palin_ap.jpg)
HAI GUYZ. I can't remember the basic GOP tenants, so I wrote them down on my hands!
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/07/sarah-palin-hand-cheat-notes-photo/2#comments
Typical GOP comments respond about Obama's teleprompter. (Yay for selective memory!)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 07, 2010, 11:56:29 AM
The Comcast/NBC merger was approved?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 07, 2010, 12:09:21 PM
Oh. I guess maybe not. I saw the Al Franken piece yesterday and just assumed it was on its way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2010, 12:59:17 PM
The livenation/ticketmaster merger makes me sick.  I already pay 2x the ticket price with "service charges" ($15 ticket + $15 charges) and it's only going to get worse now.

total bullshit; stop this country I want to get off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 07, 2010, 01:55:48 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on February 07, 2010, 11:53:22 AM
Well, it IS under investigation, but like fuck they'll do anything. Hell, the Comcast/NBC merger and Ticketmaster/Livenation merger were approved and those contradict SOOO fucking much.

Also, check this:
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/M3wThr33/0207_sarah_palin_ap.jpg)


Palin is so dumb that she makes George W. Bush look like Green Shinobi.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on February 07, 2010, 02:47:39 PM
I've been out of the loop. is there seriously a movement to make the tea party an actual party?  :lol

someone was talking about this last night...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 07, 2010, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: Sarah Palin's left hand
"Energy"
"Budget (cut?)"
"Tax"
"Lift American spirits"


:rofl :rofl :rofl

the team responsible for Sarah Palin should land a sitcom for this.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on February 07, 2010, 03:53:03 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on February 07, 2010, 03:42:03 PM
Quote from: Sarah Palin's left hand
"Energy"
"Budget (cut?)"
"Tax"
"Lift American spirits"


:rofl :rofl :rofl

the team responsible for Sarah Palin should land a sitcom for this.



On her other hand she wrote:

- Definite nucular weapons: IraN
-Possible nucular weapons: Iraq
-Obama: Black, O'Biden: White
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2010, 08:20:41 PM
Quote
Another day, another puzzling remark from Harold Ford:

    “I’m not comparing myself to Bobby Kennedy by any stretch, but he was opposed by the liberal establishment, too,” Ford said. “Eleanor Roosevelt was the biggest opponent to him running.”

That’s via Ben Smith who observes that Roosevelt died in 1962. Kennedy didn’t run for Senate until 1964. Is Ford going to use a time machine and go back to 2008 to take out Chuck Schumer and other key Gillibrand supporters?
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/02/harold-ford-goes-negative-on-eleanor-roosevelt.php

(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/fordconfed-1.jpeg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 09, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/washington/stories/DN-ronpaul_07tex.ART.State.Edition1.4bf50f3.html

Ron Paul isn't Tea Party enough for the Tea Partyers



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Even GOP conservative Ron Paul draws Tea Party opposition

12:00 AM CST on Sunday, February 7, 2010

By TOM BENNING / The Dallas Morning News
tbenning@dallasnews.com

WASHINGTON – Even anti-government icon Ron Paul can't escape the conservative "Tea Party" fervor stretching across the county.

Paul, the Gulf Coast congressman whose 2008 presidential run excited libertarians nationwide, even though he didn't get much traction overall, is considered by many to be the "father of the Tea Parties." But he has three opponents in the March Republican primary – more than he has faced in his past six primary campaigns combined.

All three have ties to the anti-tax Tea Party movement. And while Paul remains the odds-on favorite to win re-election in his district, the crowded primary highlights the potential conflict between Tea Party activists and a GOP hoping to ride their wave to electoral success this fall.

"The Tea Parties have awakened a lot of everyday people here and across America," said Tim Graney, one of Paul's opponents. "And Ron Paul is worried about getting swept up in the anti-incumbent wave as if he is some exception."

Not in lockstep

It is hard to know where Paul fits into the Tea Party landscape. Paul supporters say he launched the movement in 2007 when he raised $6 million in a one-day, Web-based fundraiser on the 234th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. His call for limited government and ending the Federal Reserve also resonates loudly in the Tea Party movement.

"Dr. Paul is proud to play a small role in getting this phenomenon going," said his campaign spokesman, Jesse Benton.

That phenomenon has also propelled Paul's protégés – including his son Rand, who is running for a U.S. Senate seat in Kentucky, and former Paul campaign volunteer Debra Medina, who is surging in the Texas GOP primary race for governor.

But the movement has clearly moved beyond Paul's dedicated core of supporters, a fact the congressman has seemingly acknowledged. He plans to attend a Tea Party-sponsored candidate forum in Katy this month, but he has distanced himself from the Tea Parties in recent interviews because of the antagonistic tone of some rallies.

"He has a very good relationship with the Tea Parties," Benton said. "But it is very important that these rallies maintain a certain level of decorum and respect."

Paul's opponents don't dispute that last point. But both Graney and Gerald Wall said they were inspired to run by their Tea Party involvement, and all three challengers are trying to tap into the movement's passion and enthusiasm.

"The Republican Party left its principles," Wall said. "And these Tea Parties are filled with people who want to take back our party."

John Gay, Paul's third opponent, said he has attended several Tea Parties and related meetings. Both Wall, a machine supervisor, and Graney, a former small-business owner, have helped organize local rallies.

Tea Party associations aside, many of the challengers' criticisms echo concerns of Paul's past opponents: that he is too focused on his national ambitions; that his views are too extreme; that he doesn't support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; that he votes "no" on everything, including federal aid for his district after Hurricane Ike.

"The word I keep hearing is 'ineffective,' " said Gay, a school business administrator. "This district is not really being represented as it could be."

'Attack dogs'

Paul's campaign aides scoffed at those charges. Benton, Paul's spokesman, acknowledged that the vote against hurricane aid was difficult, but he said Paul couldn't set aside his belief in fiscal conservatism.

But Paul is buoyed by the advantages of longtime incumbency and an ability to raise significant campaign cash, and Benton said the campaign wasn't worried about the competition. Paul has more than $1.9 million in the bank, while none of his opponents has more than a few thousand dollars, according to their most recent campaign finance disclosures. Three Democrats are vying to take on the Republican winner in the fall, but the district is overwhelmingly Republican.

"We are not taking these challengers very seriously," Benton said. "But we would never take any votes of the 14th District for granted."

And Paul – who understands a thing or two about grass-roots politics – took a more defensive stance last month in a letter to his supporters. Paul wrote that his opponents had "turned their attack dogs loose on me" and cautioned that the anti-Washington sentiment could take him out as well.

"While I think this development is a good thing," he wrote, "I am going to have to work hard to ensure I am not caught up in the same wave and swept out of office before our job is done."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 09, 2010, 09:57:12 AM
Did you know that grassroots is code for corporate backed entity these days?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 09, 2010, 10:06:25 AM
So...is there name going to be the tea party party?

And of course they don't like Ron Paul.  The guy is not very popular on a national level and his constituents basically only like him because he goes against the stream.  My guess is that they're hoping to implode the Republican party completely and take every politician they can out of it and into a more polarized, backwards direction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2010, 11:59:33 AM
The tea party is really nothing more than an attempt by the GOP to re-brand itself
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/07/palin/index.html

...and after only a few months it seems like it's imploding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T234 on February 09, 2010, 12:06:42 PM
Quote from: Borys on February 09, 2010, 04:47:21 AM
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/139452/original.jpg

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/139452/original.jpg)

It's in Wyoming, heh.

If ever I see one of these signs, I will not sleep until it is destroyed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 09, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 09, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/washington/stories/DN-ronpaul_07tex.ART.State.Edition1.4bf50f3.html

Ron Paul isn't Tea Party enough for the Tea Partyers

It's the Reign of Terror all over again!  To the guillotine dictateur Paul!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 09, 2010, 02:21:59 PM
aging alternative icon henry rollins weighs in on the tea party

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/politics/2010/02/were-gonna-have-a-tea-party-tonight.html

Quote
The head spins. This will take days to filter. Days? Weeks, months even. There’s Tom Tancredo’s recent baby’s-up-past-bedtime blather at a Tea Party event about the “cult of multiculturalism”—wow! Mr. T, do you really want to have a literacy test for voters? Think if they had one when you ran for office that you would have been elected? Oliver North’s melding of homosexuality and pedophilia on Fox News when he flexed his mini-mind and ranted paranoid on the topic of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell—righteous! Ollie, you need better makeup to hide the gills on your neck! Don’t Ask Oliver North where he can get one solid fact to back up his bizarre assertions. Don’t Tell the shamed ex-Marine that the military already has thousands of brave homosexual men and women serving their country and defending the Constitution, who would never think of behaving as he did back in the Iran-Contra days. Then again, why bother with Lieutenant Colonel North? He’s an irrelevant relic of the failed Reagan administration.

Then there’s Sarah Palin, who, egged on by other intellectually malnourished “real Americans,” has said so many startlingly stupid things in the last few days, the comedic furnaces won’t be cooling down any time soon! She’s a dynamo of dumbassity! An inferno of idiocy! Yes, Ms. Palin, 2012 is almost in your grasp! Reach for the stars, get a map, find Iran, start another pointless war we can’t afford! Score!

Just when America really needs to get to work and move forward, some of the dimmest bulbs in the country decide it’s time to turn on and lead the race to the bottom. Christian groups freaked out by the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and its threat to their religious freedom to hate homosexuals—don’t worry, homophobes! The First Amendment protects your right to tell the world that gays are hell-bound! No one’s trying to impose a “homosexual agenda” on you! The rest of us are just trying to impose some much-needed decency and cultural evolution. I know, I know, fear the change, fear the equality, progress, blahblahblah …

You silly grown-ups! The future is hilarious and very problematic, thanks to you. Cheer up! I’ll do my best to track your epic, very public nosedive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2010, 02:23:11 PM
Ron Paul is still the tea party Big Boss  :o

Quote
According to a new poll from PPP, right-wing tea party candidate Debra Medina, making her first bid for public office, is nipping at the heels of incumbent Gov. Rick Perry and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in the Texas Republican gubernatorial primary.

Medina, who wasn't even on the radar before the recent gubernatorial debates, is now within 4 points of Hutchison and 15 points of Perry. Perry clocks in at 39% support, Hutchison at 28%, and Medina at 24%.

If no candidate wins 50% of the vote -- a prospect that seems increasingly likely -- there will be a run-off between the top two finishers. This poll is the first indication that Medina has a decent shot of ending up in the top two positions.

Dave Weigel explains Medina's surge:

    Medina owes at least some of her support to Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), who has employed her on his electoral bids and with his Campaign for Liberty, and who tipped off his supporters to her candidacy in September. While the challenge Paul is facing from three Tea Party candidates reveals that the movement is much more hawkish and traditionally Republican in federal elections, the 10th Amendment argument is clearly a winner with state voters.

    And how much further to the right is Medina than the other candidates? While Perry edged away from his apparent endorsement of secession at an April 15 Tea Party, Medina spoke in August at a "sovereignty or secession" rally.

You know the GOP is losing its grip on reality when Rick Perry's pro-secession antics might not be right-wing enough for them.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/9/835428/-TX-GOV:-Tea-Party-candidate-surges-with-Ron-Pauls-support
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 09, 2010, 03:32:00 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 09, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/washington/stories/DN-ronpaul_07tex.ART.State.Edition1.4bf50f3.html

Ron Paul isn't Tea Party enough for the Tea Partyers

Of course he's not. As PD said, the tea bagger movement was just an attempt by the GOP to re-brand itself. It was made painfully clear, each time one of these mouthbreathers were interviewed.

"This isn't about democrats or republicans. We're sick and tired of both. We just want to go back to the commonsense principles laid by our founding fathers, like lowering taxes, making government smaller, outlawing abortions, putting prayer back in public schools and repealing the thirteenth amendment. :usacry :usacry :usacry"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2010, 03:35:40 PM
And getting rid of social security and medicare
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/blackburn-advocates-individual-social-security-accounts.php?ref=fpblg

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i'd hit it
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 09, 2010, 04:03:22 PM
Let em go crazy with that. It's better for Obama if they don't realize it.

Also, Cohen, check your PMs. :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2010, 04:09:18 PM
They're so convinced they're going to take over in November that they aren't afraid to reveal the plan on medicare/social security. Never mind the public rejected their social security ideas last time. Dems should be hammering the fuck out of them on this. And if they were smart, put a medicare buy-in into the reconciliation bill so that the message has an impact on more people. Like say, 55 year olds.

too bad dems r dumb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 09, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
privatizing social security was a dumb idea in 2005 when there was at least a sorta-healthy stock and investment market.  To even bring up the idea now is about as smart as tazering a rhinoceros in the balls and then calling it a pussy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 09, 2010, 09:15:12 PM
The GOP taking over easily in November is exactly as smug as the left was assuming that they wouldn't lose Ted's seat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2010, 10:42:47 PM
Yea, the Pubs are just as much in danger of losing "safe" seats as the Dems this election. Either from within their own party or from Democrats that are not connected to Washington.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2010, 01:21:01 AM
especially now that they think campainging on cutting social security/medicare is a good idea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on February 10, 2010, 02:33:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2010, 01:21:01 AM
especially now that they think campainging on cutting social security/medicare is a good idea

LET THEM get cocky. Right now they got 1 SEAT and are so fucking full of themselves. That's a good thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2010, 02:43:43 AM
Quote
Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

One of the more commonplace assertions among pundits on the center-right -- made rather carelessly by Victor Davis Hanson and more thoughtfully by Jay Cost, is that agenda put forward by Obama and the Democrats is overwhelmingly unpopular and that Democrats are simply getting their comeuppance for having pushed such a liberal set of reforms forward. These claims, however, rely on selective evidence, invariably citing policies like health care and the GM bailouts which are indeed unpopular (strongly so, in some cases), while ignoring many other issues on which Obama has been on the right side of public opinion.

In fact, a more objective and equivocal evaluation of public opinion on more than two dozen specific issues finds that the Republican Congress has far more often been on the wrong side of it. Attempting to be as comprehensive as possible, I've identified 25 issues that Obama and the Democrats have made an affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago, and summarized public opinion on each of them. Most of the numbers that I've cited come from PollingReport.com.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/02/republicans-not-obama-more-often-on.html

Long list at link. More evidence Obama's unpopularity is due to the struggling economy, not because he's some liberal fiend. Too bad democrats are too scared to act, and republicans can block everything. smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2010, 11:43:41 AM
I'm not concerned about lowering the deficit, and neither is the average American when the economy is good or decent. And the majority of Americans support raising taxes on people making $250,000+ a year

I saw a headline where Boehner was complaining that Obama didn't cut military spending, but if he had cut it the republicans would be throwing a fit. I'd love to see big cuts there but it's just not going to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 11:50:09 AM
We actually don't need to make major cuts in military spending, as much as we need to properly manage it. The military is a bureaucratic mess that has bungled defense contract spending and is too expansive. It needs to be consolidated, streamlined and held accountable for defense spending.

Nobody has any interest in doing so, because the wildly out-of-control military spending lines the pockets of too many important individuals - despite the fact that failing to do so will have negative, lasting consequences.

But that is the story of our country. Put it off until later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
I don't think I've ever been so angry in all my time on the internet as I was recently when reading over the comments on union-related stories on politico.

Basically the argument is "If you support a worker's right to make a living wage, you're a goddamn socialist!"

I've never felt such a strong desire to do bodily harm to people on the internet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 10, 2010, 06:08:39 PM
I think streamlining and transparency is the key to fiscal responsibility.  If people are seeing that taxpayers are paying $50 per bottle of water you can get for 79 cents at a local convenience store, then contractors would be less likely to get away with it.  IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
Now that corporations are people too, I want Google to run for president. They would be infinitely better than the shitheads that have run the country for the past 20 years.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 10, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
Now that corporations are people too, I want Google to run for president. They would be infinitely better than the shitheads that have run the country for the past 20 years.



What would be the website equivalent of Sarah Palin?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2010, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam
Now that corporations are people too, I want Google to run for president. They would be infinitely better than the shitheads that have run the country for the past 20 years.

You just made Prole's shitlist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2010, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 10, 2010, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 10, 2010, 11:24:49 PM
Now that corporations are people too, I want Google to run for president. They would be infinitely better than the shitheads that have run the country for the past 20 years.



What would be the website equivalent of Sarah Palin?

WND.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 11:51:19 PM
ToxicAdam's solution to corporate interference with democracy: cut out the middle man :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2010, 12:26:17 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021002451.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 12:28:18 AM
God, I wish David Broder would just hurry up and die already.  He's so fucking useless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2010, 12:31:08 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on February 10, 2010, 11:51:19 PM
ToxicAdam's solution to corporate interference with democracy: cut out the middle man :lol

Hey, I see many from the left yearn for a benevolent dictator, I yearn for a benevolent corporation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 11, 2010, 12:34:50 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 10, 2010, 11:50:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam
Now that corporations are people too, I want Google to run for president. They would be infinitely better than the shitheads that have run the country for the past 20 years.

You just made Prole's shitlist.

nah, i don't hate google. besides, americans would elect goldman-sachs, not a bunch of ratbag information hippies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2010, 01:15:02 AM
That's not true... first we'd show how outraged by Goldman Sachs' business practices by passing a Constitutional Amendment repealing the capital gains tax completely.  THEN we'd elect them.

AMURIKA AM STOOPIT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 11, 2010, 01:17:11 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
I don't think I've ever been so angry in all my time on the internet as I was recently when reading over the comments on union-related stories on politico.

Basically the argument is "If you support a worker's right to make a living wage, you're a goddamn socialist!"

I've never felt such a strong desire to do bodily harm to people on the internet.
There was some rampantly stupid shit going about the airwaves, on frikin national TV, not the mention the net, back when GM was closing all those union-plants.  Being in a auto union doesn't mean you glide to work on golden ice skates, but you wouldn't know that from the glee those free market types took in people losing their jobs.

seriously, fuck the GOP/Fox News/all those corporate worshiping entities that look to get (and are getting) the country they so very much want and deserve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on February 11, 2010, 09:22:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2010, 12:26:17 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021002451.html

Broder suggests that we take Sarah Palin seriously and I damn well agree with him! Lately I've been coming around to her nuanced policy for handling terrorist organizations and rogue states: WE WIN; THEY LOSE. I mulled over it for a while and I decided that there's really no better solution, save perhaps admitting that we don't actually have all the answers and waiting for divine intervention.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2010, 02:31:30 PM
FoC would be proud! (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/who-is-john-galt-maybe-hes-paul-ryan.php?ref=fpa)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on February 11, 2010, 07:10:08 PM
Time for Obama to go 'gangsta' on GOP
By Roland S. Martin, CNN Political Analyst

(CNN) -- Civil rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer made famous the phrase, "I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired."

For me, I'm sick and tired of Democrats having power and being unwilling to use it. I've always respected Republicans when they had power because they were willing to use it and maybe apologize later.

Today, President Obama walked into the White House briefing room and took some questions, and one of them revolved around recess appointments.

He has watched Republicans block many of his appointments, and now he says he made it clear to them that he will "consider" making some when the U.S. Senate goes into recess.

"One senator, as you all are aware, had put a hold on every single nominee that we had put forward due to a dispute over a couple of earmarks in his state," President Obama said.

"In our meeting, I asked the congressional leadership to put a stop to these holds in which nominees for critical jobs are denied a vote for months. Surely we can set aside partisanship and do what's traditionally been done to confirm these nominations.

If the Senate does not act -- and I made this very clear -- if the Senate does not act to confirm these nominees, I will consider making several recess appointments during the upcoming recess, because we can't afford to allow politics to stand in the way of a well-functioning government."

This is where the president needs to show his toughness and just do it. Forget the threats. The actions of Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, and other Republican obstructionists will continue if President Obama allows them to run roughshod over him. When you're the top dog, you do what you have to do to govern. Allowing Republican senators to continue to deny your appointments is nonsense.

If all of them choose to support a filibuster, then you take it to the American people and show the obstructionists for what they are. You get your grass-roots movement fired up to stand up and do something. The political right used its base to go after Democrats who blocked appointments to the federal bench and other positions. So why not be just as aggressive?

If there are members of your own party who stand in the way, such as Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska, then you also blast them and make them pay for acting so foolishly.

This president got rolled by the Senate over health care. His team made some boneheaded mistakes, and now they are paying for them. Continuing to play footsie with opponents will only get him into more trouble. He should set a deadline to have his folks confirmed. If not, appoint them all during the recess and go on about your business.

Obama's critics keep blasting him for Chicago-style politics. So, fine. Channel your inner Al Capone and go gangsta against your foes. Let 'em know that if they aren't with you, they are against you, and will pay the price.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 11, 2010, 07:16:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]Q_DrLRJ_5dc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 11, 2010, 07:18:26 PM
I can't believe it's actually been over 9 months, and 70 of Obama's appointments are still being held up. I know being the president might cause you to be busy, but don't you kinda, you know, NEED these key people asap? Why has he barely mentioned anything about this at all?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on February 11, 2010, 07:21:27 PM
Because he's a pussy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2010, 12:04:07 AM
Sounds like Obama went all gangsta on McConnell, demanding they stop holding up his appointments or else.
Quote
According to Politico, Obama was "forceful" with McConnell, saying in the meeting: "If you don't move any, I'm going to do some [recess] appointments."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/obama-to-mcconnell-stop-the-obstruction.php?ref=fpblg

McConnell gave up, the votes are going to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2010, 12:08:30 AM
I wonder if a right-wing pundit accused Obama of "going gangsta" how that would be perceived by the left.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
Also, how come white people can't say the n word?  So unfair.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2010, 12:14:25 AM
Nice, Reid showing some balls too

Quote
Bipartisan agreement on jobs lasted all of a few hours. This afternoon, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus announced he'd reached accord with ranking member Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA). They unveiled what was supposed to be a final jobs package. But the agreement didn't sit well with many Democrats, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has pulled it out of their hands, and announced he'd move ahead with a smaller bill.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/so-much-for-that-bipartisan-jobs-agreement-falls-apart-almost-instantly.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2010, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
Also, how come white people can't say the n word?  So unfair.

Why would we need to? We have held many meetings and developed a sophisticated array of "code words" to facilitate our inherently racist nature. Remember that party line that helps keep the blacks in line so they keep voting for the Dems?


--- /// ---

Quote
Financial institutions could face $300bn in losses related to commercial real estate in 2011 and beyond, putting smaller banks at the most risk, according to a report from the Congressional Oversight Panel (COP).

Congress established COP in October 2008 to oversee the spending of the $700bn from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP). Between 2010 and 2014, the Panel found that $1.4trn in commercial real estate will mature, and almost half are currently underwater.


I see another storm coming ...



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 12, 2010, 04:16:35 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2010, 12:11:16 AM
Also, how come white people can't say the n word?  So unfair.

Quote from: Chris Rock
Last I checked, being able to say the word 'nigger' was the only advantage I had to being black. How about we trade: You guys get to say "nigger", and I get to raise interest rates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2010, 07:42:41 AM
I don't wanna sound racist, but I think Republicans might be genetically incapable of satire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on February 12, 2010, 11:20:05 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on February 11, 2010, 07:21:27 PM
Because he's a pussy.
.

All that needs to be said
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2010, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2010, 07:42:41 AM
I don't wanna sound racist, but I think Republicans might be genetically incapable of satire.
Which is pretty weird considering the fantasy world they live in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2010, 10:52:09 PM
Pew Research:  http://people-press.org/report/589/midterm-electionchallenges-for-both-parties (http://people-press.org/report/589/midterm-electionchallenges-for-both-parties)

Anti-incumbent sentiment at historic records.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2010, 11:24:06 PM
Looks like we know who PD is supporting for Gov in TX.

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Homescholers.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I still think the disapproval numbers are due to the economy.  If there was a strong turnaround, I bet we see a strong turnaround of Democratic disapproval.  Especially since Obama won mostly because of the economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2010, 11:33:32 PM
Obama won because he was perceived as the "outsider".

http://www.barackobama.com/media/2007/09/03/obama_touts_his_outsider_theme.php

It's been the running theme for two (and possibly three) election cycles now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2010, 11:37:40 PM
No way, he won because we were all promised ponies.  Ponies and rainbows.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on February 13, 2010, 03:52:03 AM
He promised "change" but he turned out to be a weak-kneed do-nothing.  He's been nothing but a joke so far, he has horribly mishandled health care reform, and I'll honestly be surprised if he wins a second term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2010, 10:39:55 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on February 13, 2010, 03:52:03 AM
He promised "change" but he turned out to be a weak-kneed do-nothing.  He's been nothing but a joke so far, he has horribly mishandled health care reform, and I'll honestly be surprised if he wins a second term.

That's a bit of hyperbole.  He has made a couple of mistakes so far, chief among them thinking that Republicans would be interested in doing anything other than screaming "NO!" at anything he said, but they have accomplished a few things.  I kind of think he'd have an easier time of things if he was white, tho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2010, 01:07:06 PM
He's like Jackie Robinson, he's got to be twice as good as anybody else to avoid dismissal by everyone.

I hate to blame to Republicans for everything that's wrong, but yeah, I'll do that.  The democrats are being weak little children, but they somehow shockingly expect the GOP to behave like actual adults or at the very least allow for the government to operate.

I'm not surprised by the Democrats spinelessness, I am surprised by the GOP's shamelessness.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
They're spinless and suck at creating messages. Where's the pushback on the Ryan budget or demanding up and down votes or laughing at the republican HC plan etc.

bunch of god damn distinguished mentally-challenged fellows (/sarcasm)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 13, 2010, 07:43:45 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/4ke82.jpg)


JERUSALEM – Palestinian protesters have added a colorful twist to demonstrations against Israel's separation barrier, painting themselves blue and posing as characters from the hit film "Avatar."
The demonstrators also donned long hair and loincloths Friday for the weekly protest against the barrier near the village of Bilin.
They equated their struggle to the intergalactic one portrayed in the film.
Israel says the barrier is needed for its security. Palestinians consider it a land grab.
The protests have become a symbol of opposition. They often end in clashes with Israeli security forces involving stones and tear gas.
The "Avatar" protest comes a day after the Israeli government began rerouting the enclosure to eat up less of the Palestinian village.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians_avatar_1


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2010, 07:59:33 PM
Yifftastic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 13, 2010, 09:10:24 PM
yesterday I heard a guy I'm related to saying he loved the message of the movie because it shows the US losing but that it was a bit confusing because it basically showed like an American soldier joining the Taliban.  I immediately gave up on changing any of his political opinions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on February 13, 2010, 09:48:04 PM
nintenho related to terrorists!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on February 13, 2010, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 12, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I still think the disapproval numbers are due to the economy.  If there was a strong turnaround, I bet we see a strong turnaround of Democratic disapproval.  Especially since Obama won mostly because of the economy.
I definitely agree with this one.  Especially with the unemployment situation that hovers around 10 percent right now, and many economist believe many of the jobs lost will be gone forever due to the contracting economy. 

The Republicans definitely beat him in the Health Care debate.  The insurance and pharmaceutical lobbies have deep pockets and many of congressman already in their corners.  The interesting thing is that Health Care reform as proposed by the original bill would've have reduced the deficit and Medicare/Medicaid spending recently surpassed private spending in total American health care cost.  We have to do something about it, but just like the financial issue, it's going to be reactionary instead of preventative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 14, 2010, 01:44:40 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on February 13, 2010, 09:48:04 PM
nintenho related to terrorists!?
well terrorists or avatar fans...where exactly do you draw the line?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 13, 2010, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 12, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I still think the disapproval numbers are due to the economy.  If there was a strong turnaround, I bet we see a strong turnaround of Democratic disapproval.  Especially since Obama won mostly because of the economy.
I definitely agree with this one.  Especially with the unemployment situation that hovers around 10 percent right now, and many economist believe many of the jobs lost will be gone forever due to the contracting economy. 

See this is what I don't get. Why is it that we can't find work for all these people? Why can't we have exactly the same economy we have now, but 10% bigger?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 14, 2010, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 13, 2010, 11:50:30 PM
Quote from: T EXP on February 12, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I still think the disapproval numbers are due to the economy.  If there was a strong turnaround, I bet we see a strong turnaround of Democratic disapproval.  Especially since Obama won mostly because of the economy.
I definitely agree with this one.  Especially with the unemployment situation that hovers around 10 percent right now, and many economist believe many of the jobs lost will be gone forever due to the contracting economy. 
See this is what I don't get. Why is it that we can't find work for all these people? Why can't we have exactly the same economy we have now, but 10% bigger?
How?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 06:45:05 PM
Well if 10% of the population is unemployed, that means they're doing nothing right now.

But what if some of them were building houses and apartment buildings, and some of them were producing food, and some of them were producing energy, and some of them were working in factories, and some of them were doctors and lawyers and so on?

In a tribal society, you would have full employment. Why is it so hard to do the same in an advanced society?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 14, 2010, 06:51:57 PM
That doesn't make any sense at all because the average person doesn't need to buy 10% more housing, food, or energy.  Employers can't just make things without having anybody to sell it to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
The unemployed people could be consuming things that would need to be produced.

Are you saying that 90% of the population does enough work and produces enough for everyone, so 10% is basically useless?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on February 14, 2010, 07:08:41 PM
I don't think the economy works that way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 07:13:59 PM
Why not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on February 14, 2010, 07:16:25 PM
*shrug*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 07:23:50 PM
I'd like to know more. I took some econ courses in university, but not enough to really "get" this stuff. Any suggestions on some good reading material to start with?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on February 14, 2010, 07:27:04 PM
(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/410HmH9AVbL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
(http://judicalsophie.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/das-kapital-bank.jpg)
(http://www.tradebit.com/usr/lacorona12/pub/9002/Robert-Kiyosaki---Rich-Dad-s-Guide-To-Financial-Freedom---Cashflow-Quadrant.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 14, 2010, 08:03:25 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 14, 2010, 07:05:04 PM
The unemployed people could be consuming things that would need to be produced.

Are you saying that 90% of the population does enough work and produces enough for everyone, so 10% is basically useless?
90% can make everything that gets consumed.  why is that hard to believe?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 14, 2010, 08:52:10 PM
You can't have 'full enemployment' because there's always gonna be a percentage of people switching between jobs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2010, 02:04:39 AM
:usacry


Quote
Joe the Plumber goes off on McCain, says he 'screwed up my life'
By Eric Zimmermann - 02/14/10 11:12 AM ET

Joe the Plumber is no longer a fan of either Sarah Palin or John McCain, it seems.

Joe, also known as Sam Wurzelbacher, told an audience in Pennsylvania this week that McCain "is no public servant."

"McCain was trying to use me," Wurzelbacher said, according to public radio correspondent Scott Detrow. "I happened to be the face of middle Americans. It was a ploy.”

"I don’t owe him s—," Wurzelbacher continued. "He really screwed my life up, is how I look at it.”

In fact, Wurzelbacher's dislike for McCain is so strong that he no longer supports Sarah Palin simply because Palin will campaign for McCain's re-election.

As for Obama: "I think his ideology is un-American, but he’s one of the more honest politicians. At least he told us what he wanted to do."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81035-joe-the-plumber-tears-into-john-mccain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 02:17:40 AM
sounds like a bitter rapper making diss songs at jay-z
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 03:05:50 AM
Except Jay-Z's way more likely to exhort the crowd to put their hands in the air.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 15, 2010, 10:23:29 AM
It took this long for him to JTP to realize this!? :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 12:32:53 PM
Evan Byah abruptly retired from the senate today. And there's not even enough time to start a primary so the party will pick his replacement. smh to the max

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2010, 12:40:41 PM
Sounds like he got tired of all the bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 12:48:40 PM
Yea, the bullshit he was constantly involved in.  Fuck Byah. Grandstanding on the deficit commission and constantly giving aid and comfort to republicans on health care.

Nevermind that he didn't give a shit about deficits during Bush's years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 15, 2010, 02:40:43 PM
nvm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 03:01:03 PM
Bayh was a big time perpetrator of the current bullshit.  On the other hand, he was basically Senator-for-life in Indiana if he wanted to be, and ultimately better than having a Republican in the seat, even if it's a "moderate" Republican like Lugar.

Unless there's a scandal brewing, the only thing I can think is that he's realized -- after years of being The Next Big Thing -- that the moment of DLC-style Democrats is over, he's not going to be president or VP, and that the current White House doesn't share his perspective and will only placate him so far as it needs his vote.  Bayh's used to being treated as a lot more important than he is, and never seemed to care a ton about accomplishing actual policy goals.

Basically, he might just be a smarter, Hoosier version of Palin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on February 15, 2010, 03:29:03 PM
James Surowiecki at the New Yorker writes about the problem with the whimsical electorate:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/02/15/100215ta_talk_surowiecki

Good read.  He talks about how Americans want things like more jobs, while slashing spending and balancing the budget, which may not possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2010, 04:07:52 PM
Quote from: Rman on February 15, 2010, 03:29:03 PM
James Surowiecki at the New Yorker writes about the problem with the whimsical electorate:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/02/15/100215ta_talk_surowiecki

Good read.  He talks about how Americans want things like more jobs, while slashing spending and balancing the budget, which may not possible.

I WANT A PONY!  AND IT MUST BE A FREE, MAGICAL PONY!  OR ELSE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 15, 2010, 04:20:24 PM
It's a heart-breakingly democratic position, as in, democracy springs politics on people who just don't have the equipment to vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2010, 04:33:56 PM
Here we see more news of our glorious Free Market health care system proving that it works. (http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/02/14/health-care-must-read-of-the-day/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+timeblogs%2Fswampland+%28TIME%3A+Swampland%29#ixzz0fZtouJQ1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 04:43:24 PM
People always want lower taxes and more services, yet somehow there have been plenty of democracies that did a fine job of balancing their books (including the USA for almost all of its history), thankyouverymuch.

Rather it's a combination of institutional supermajority requirements and one party being completely intractable and dogmatic while they're in the minority.  Decades of demagoguery on taxes produced short term gains for the GOP but it handcuffed them to an activist base that now considers any raise in marginal rates to be a criminal act, and that prevents them from making any serious attempts to lower the deficit.

Just cause the electorate rejected your fringe candidate doesn't mean the system can't produce rational budgets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2010, 04:54:14 PM
Evan Bayh much like Palin is simply starting an insurgency in the Democratic party which has been hi-jacked by socialists and communists like Obama. He will wrest the nomination from Obama in 2012 and the presidential race will be Palin versus Bayh.

Two candidates by and for the people!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
Odd thing about him was that his dad was such a better public servant.  He was deeply involved in the Civil Rights Act, the amendment which lowered the voting age to 18, and the Equal Rights Amendment.  The son has to be considered a disappointment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:07:11 PM
I'm not reading that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2010, 05:09:57 PM
I got as far as the second sentence, where he gets all aflutter over people not being rational and coldly calculating libertopian cash fetishists.  I mean, it's like he honestly believes that the majority of the country isn't fucking stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2010, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
Odd thing about him was that his dad was such a better public servant.  He was deeply involved in the Civil Rights Act, the amendment which lowered the voting age to 18, and the Equal Rights Amendment.  The son has to be considered a disappointment.

The sins of the father shall not be visited upon the son!

On a serious note, Bayh is simply out of step with his party as you hinted at earlier. He was a product of that DLC era Democratic politican which will always be a wing of the Democratic Party especially in conservative states or districts but it doesn't hold the sway it once did especially on a national level. The power center has moved on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:12:46 PM
Is there a more obvious sign of of a disturbed mind than fisking?  Science has not yet reached a consensus, but I say no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 15, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
what percentage of the overall budget is "social spending" that isn't social security and medicare, again? why, i am simply curious.

i am also not sure why i should prefer a corporate aristocracy over the "big government" bugbear but what do i know
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 15, 2010, 05:35:13 PM
also, where were these deficit histrionics 6 years ago when bush trashed it? or was it because that deficit spending was an "investment" in proper nation building

???

i will say that obama propping up a crooked bank regime with our tax dollars is pretty odious unto itself, but at least i'm still employed thanks to that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 05:36:35 PM
911
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 15, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
i hear 60% of our tax dollars go to black people

and by "our" i think you know who i mean, you know, the folks that "work hard" and "don't need handouts" wink wink get yer hood
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2010, 05:38:41 PM
Remember when it was acceptable to say social spending was a waste because black people were gaming the system for unemployment and welfare checks?

I don't!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 15, 2010, 05:39:51 PM
Man, remember when people were talking in 2004 and 2008 about how good Bayh is or how he should run for higher office?

I think that for most moderate Democrats these days, well in the Senate anyway, being a moderate Democrat is just a form of attention whoring.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:40:40 PM
One time this guy told me that since 1990 there were twice as many new black millionaires as new white millionaires, because of professional sports.

You learn something new every day!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2010, 05:42:15 PM
When will there be affirmative action for white running backs or Jewish point guards?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 15, 2010, 05:42:29 PM
i remember when they didn't need handouts but instead did a fair day's work and received room and board for free from their employer

stupid libruls and their war of northern aggression ruined it for everyone
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:47:51 PM
Charles Murray is shocked, shocked (http://blog.american.com/?p=8616) to see darkies in Paris.

He co-authored The Bell Curve, which is purely coincidental, given how that book is merely a dispassionate scientific analysis of the heritability of intelligence and its effects on the American class system, with no social or political agenda whatsoever.  *whistles innocently*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2010, 05:55:10 PM
MY GOD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 06:22:32 PM
Quote
The Harold Ford Jr. camp is changing its story after Ford, a prospective Senate candidate, told a Buffalo TV station that he has never filed a New York State tax return, even though he's been commuting to the city since 2007 to work for Merrill Lynch.

Ford's comments were initially echoed by his spokeswoman, Tammy Sun, who last week told Gawker that Ford "will file a New York tax return in April for the first time."

But now they're telling a different version.

"Harold has always paid New York taxes and filed the appropriate New York tax returns for all income earned in New York. And as a New York resident as of 2009, he is filing a resident tax return this year," Sun told TPM in a statement.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/ford-spox-he-has-paid-new-york-taxes.php?ref=fpblg

this guy can't do anything right
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 15, 2010, 07:13:09 PM
Bayh represents the "current bullshit" and Landrieu/Nelson represent the courageous progressives. What a twisted world we live in.


What a shame Murtha passed away, another person not afraid to fight against the "current bullshit". At least Charlie Rangel is still holding on.


Just to think, a year ago the liberals were dancing on the graves of the conservatives with their regional viewpoints and their litmus tested candidates. Now they are yearning for the same direction. Bu bu bu better to be a minority party with REAL liberals than a party of sissy Dino's. So laughable.


I hope Evan Bayh runs in 2012. There's a shitton of disaffected Hillary supporters that are eager to jump ship. At least it will raise his profile, even if it is for a losing cause.





 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 07:39:23 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 15, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 15, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
i hear 60% of our tax dollars go to black people

and by "our" i think you know who i mean, you know, the folks that "work hard" and "don't need handouts" wink wink get yer hood

My roommate absolutely insisted he was correct in saying that the negroes and messicans were gaming the system to the tune of $500 billion a year. Nevermind the fact that that number is around the entire budget allocated for welfare every year.

The darkies are collecting millions of dollars in reparations, and hiring the illegals to work in their yards, thus screwing over White folks with maximum efficiency. Meanwhile, honest hard working god fearing, light skins get :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 15, 2010, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 05:47:51 PM
Charles Murray is shocked, shocked (http://blog.american.com/?p=8616) to see darkies in Paris.

He co-authored The Bell Curve, which is purely coincidental, given how that book is merely a dispassionate scientific analysis of the heritability of intelligence and its effects on the American class system, with no social or political agenda whatsoever.  *whistles innocently*

Europe as "we" know it is about to disappear

"we" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2010, 08:47:55 PM
Soon, there will only be one place left for "us"...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.44.49.67.Attached+Files/0116.bioshock_5F00_city_5F00_rapture.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 15, 2010, 09:52:38 PM
It's not accusing if it's true. More like stating. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 15, 2010, 09:58:11 PM
.
Title: Don't just give it away, honey.
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2010, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam
Whole buncha rambling

You'll basically fall in love any politician who regularly enrages his own party's activist base, won't you?  McCain, Bloomberg, Lieberman, Bayh, Giuliani.  They just buy you a drink, whisper sweet nothings about bipartisanship, and it's over.

But they never respect you in the morning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 16, 2010, 02:04:24 AM
The real racists are those accusing others of racism  :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2010, 02:07:31 AM
The real racists are people who think only white people can be racist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2010, 02:14:00 AM
When conservatives talk about the "real racists" it reminds me of OJ promising to look for "the real killers".

Which might make me racist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2010, 02:17:50 AM
Sounds like there's no place for you in Real America
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 16, 2010, 02:54:58 AM
So does my vague impression that the whole Tea Party thing has petered out have a basis in reality?  I'm thinking now that we've got the obligatory right-wing demagoguery thingy out of the way, we can start preparing for the inevitable socialist revolution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 16, 2010, 11:50:12 AM
Let's cut the bull here. There has always been a resentment of big government, fiscal waste, and high-dollar bailouts. These people are only given the microphone when the republicans are out of office. This is nothing new. This isn't a grassroots movement AT ALL!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2010, 12:33:34 PM
It's just the republican party re-branding itself, and a rather successful attempt so far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 16, 2010, 12:34:33 PM
I say Democrats do the same thing. Why not just create a Socialist Party?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 16, 2010, 12:48:00 PM
The proper way to think of the Tea Partiers is this:  about 3 out of 10 Americans (maybe) would probably identify themselves as tea partiers, which is less than the number who believe in guardian angels or bigfoot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2010, 12:55:04 PM
The Tea Party people are the new Patriots standing up for their constitutional rights.

And they are white. Which means their concerns are extra valid and the media should cover them a lot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2010, 01:12:15 PM
Assuming Palin doesn't run in 2012, I wonder which candidate will get the Tea Party seal of approval. I just can't see them lining up in excitement for Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2010, 01:53:51 PM
Quote
he Anthem Blue Cross saga appears to have a happy ending: After criticism from the administration, the insurer has delayed the planned 40 percent rate hike. That will give the company time to reevaluate whether it's worth the blow-back, and I'd guess there's a good chance it never takes effect at all.

But if this is a good outcome, it's a not a good policy. The insured can't depend on someone in the White House's communications shop noticing when an insurer tries to screw its customers. What we need is an actual policy standing between the insured and the grim incentives of their insurers. That's what health-care reform is meant to be, and the Anthem saga is a good example of how it would work.

The Senate bill contains two separate categories of provisions that would stand between the insured and what Anthem attempted in California. The first are consumer protections that could be invoked if an insurer tried to raise rates precipitously. The second are market reforms that make it less likely for an insurer to try, and less calamitous for individuals if the insurer succeeds.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/a_california_insurer_shows_how.html#more (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/02/a_california_insurer_shows_how.html#more)
(rest at link)

Great article explaining how the health care bill will prevent outrageous price hikes like the recent Anthem BC case in California. Ezra also points out that the whole affair serves as a great pivot point to change the discussion on health care from politics to policy. The timing couldn't be better for the summit.

And Fox New's view
Quote
The hosts were uninterested with how the increasing rates would affect customers and struggling families in California. Instead, the pair attacked Fluegel for re-energizing advocates for health reform. Payne groaned, asking Fluegel why he didn’t "take Wall Street’s lead" and "wait for this to blow over and maybe a year from now try to hike rates":
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/16/837360/-Fox:-The-Wellpoint-Rate-Increase-Was-Bad-Because-it-Re-energized-HCR (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/16/837360/-Fox:-The-Wellpoint-Rate-Increase-Was-Bad-Because-it-Re-energized-HCR)
seriously
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 16, 2010, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 16, 2010, 12:49:57 PM
Someone should tell tea partiers that most libertarians they so identify with would legalize drugz n hookerz.

and awesome abortionz

:bow aborting disgusting poor babies :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2010, 07:34:55 PM
So I come to find out my roommate's a birther. He insists that chain e-mails are more accurate in reporting than newspapers and independent fact checkers.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 16, 2010, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 16, 2010, 07:46:06 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 16, 2010, 07:34:55 PM
So I come to find out my roommate's a birther. He insists that chain e-mails are more accurate in reporting than newspapers and independent fact checkers.  :-\
Shit, so I did win the UK National Lottery?

Shit, to think I turned down all of those millions upon millions of dollars by ignoring the pleas of rich Nigerian princes :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Since we're talking about fringe movements, ever hear of the "tenther's"? This CNN article was the first time I ever heard of them.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/10/tenth.amendment.movement/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 16, 2010, 07:51:04 PM
I heard about them a few months ago.  Glenn Beck had a special about them where he interviewed a renowned tenther.

I'm just fortunate the tailer movement never got off the ground (a chain e-mail that reports Obama was born with a tail)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Since we're talking about fringe movements, ever hear of the "tenther's"? This CNN article was the first time I ever heard of them.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/10/tenth.amendment.movement/index.html

i clicked expecting %10er knowledge yo :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2010, 09:47:19 AM
That's cool, the next time a state that wants to pass a resolution "with teeth" comes crying for some delicious federal money to keep paying their teachers/cops/firemen/whatever Big Daddy Fed can just say no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 09:55:40 AM
It's almost endearingly naive to believe that there are a set of moral rules floating in the ether which could lead us all to a better tomorrow, if only we would just listen.

But laws?  Written, implemented, interpreted, and enforced by people?  We're meant to believe that they have a single, objective, intrinsic meaning wholly independent of human society?  Really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2010, 10:01:12 AM
Wow, I'm shocked to find out that the Federal govt. takes more money than it needs.  Those budget deficits I keep hearing about must be made up bullshit then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 10:06:11 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 17, 2010, 10:04:33 AM
What you are indirectly deriding is the notion that the 10th Amendment has meaning, and that the meaning doesn't change based upon society.

Yes, I am deriding that notion.  Good of you to pick up on that.

Five points to Hufflepuff.
Title: You're not my mom, James Madison!
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 10:23:32 AM
If the "parties involved" are the people who signed it then they're dead and I don't see why they should tell me what to do.

If it means "the American people, as a historically contiguous group" then we've already given our consent to change it, by choosing to generally obey and enforce the modern interpretation of the 10th.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2010, 10:33:18 AM
Quote
    The Mount Vernon Statement  Constitutional Conservatism: A Statement for the 21st Century

    We recommit ourselves to the ideas of the American Founding. Through the Constitution, the Founders created an enduring framework of limited government based on the rule of law. They sought to secure national independence, provide for economic opportunity, establish true religious liberty and maintain a flourishing society of republican self-government.

    These principles define us as a country and inspire us as a people. They are responsible for a prosperous, just nation unlike any other in the world. They are our highest achievements, serving not only as powerful beacons to all who strive for freedom and seek self-government, but as warnings to tyrants and despots everywhere.

    Each one of these founding ideas is presently under sustained attack. In recent decades, America's principles have been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics. The selfevident truths of 1776 have been supplanted by the notion that no such truths exist. The federal government today ignores the limits of the Constitution, which is increasingly dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.

    Some insist that America must change, cast off the old and put on the new. But where would this lead -- forward or backward, up or down? Isn't this idea of change an empty promise or even a dangerous deception?

    The change we urgently need, a change consistent with the American ideal, is not movement away from but toward our founding principles. At this important time, we need a restatement of Constitutional conservatism grounded in the priceless principle of ordered liberty articulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

    The conservatism of the Declaration asserts self-evident truths based on the laws of nature and nature's God. It defends life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It traces authority to the consent of the governed. It recognizes man's self-interest but also his capacity for virtue.

    The conservatism of the Constitution limits government's powers but ensures that government performs its proper job effectively. It refines popular will through the filter of representation. It provides checks and balances through the several branches of government and a federal republic.

    A Constitutional conservatism unites all conservatives through the natural fusion provided by American principles. It reminds economic conservatives that morality is essential to limited government, social conservatives that unlimited government is a threat to moral self-government, and national security conservatives that energetic but responsible government is the key to America's safety and leadership role in the world.

    A Constitutional conservatism based on first principles provides the framework for a consistent and meaningful policy agenda.

    * It applies the principle of limited government based on the rule of law to every proposal.

    * It honors the central place of individual liberty in American politics and life.

    * It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and economic reforms grounded in market solutions.

    * It supports America's national interest in advancing freedom and opposing tyranny in the world and prudently considers what we can and should do to that end.

    * It informs conservatism's firm defense of family, neighborhood, community, and faith.

    If we are to succeed in the critical political and policy battles ahead, we must be certain of our purpose.

    We must begin by retaking and resolutely defending the high ground of America's founding principles.

    February 17, 2010
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2010, 10:44:42 AM
thankfully this is all pretty straightforward and not at all obfuscated through codification into simple statements with which no person could possibly object.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 11:09:23 AM
Once again, for the cheap seats.

By treating the US federal government as a legitimate authority, the public has given its implied consent to the set of laws as they currently exist and are enforced.  If there is a social contract, then that is the one that they have chosen to bind themselves to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 17, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
We have remedied it by other means, by abiding by a new social contract. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 11:32:11 AM
JD: Per the terms, your current state representatives could call for a constitutional convention right now.  If that is what you wish, by all means, advocate it and convince others to do the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 17, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
I think what Jay Dubya is saying is that sure, any statement can be interpreted in a number of different ways, but there is a range of reasonable interpretations beyond which the interpretation is clearly in violation of the meaning of the statement. And in his opinion, the way that the 10th Amendment is currently applied falls outside the range of reasonable interpretations one could draw from the text.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 17, 2010, 11:48:17 AM
Instead, I simply advocate that it live up to the terms of the contract we already have.

Who?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 17, 2010, 12:51:57 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 17, 2010, 10:11:30 AM
I think I see why your lot so fears corporations, if you think contracts are inherently meaningless things that can change at any time without the consent of the parties involved.

gee, history and sociology wouldn't give us any reason to believe otherwise would it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2010, 01:19:30 PM
Quote
  * It honors the central place of individual liberty in American politics and life.
Unless you're gay or have a uterus.

Quote
* It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and economic reforms grounded in market solutions.
Except if you try to bring to the market a similar product for a cheaper price.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 17, 2010, 02:29:46 PM
Quote
Mount Vernon To Right Wingers: You're Not Welcome Here
Ben Frumin | February 17, 2010, 12:35PM

A lot's been made of the conservative signing later today of "The Mount Vernon Statement" -- the right's "restatement of Constitutional conservatism."

But it turns out that not only is today's signing taking place several miles away from the actual Mount Vernon -- 4.4 miles by car, by our count -- but conservatives asked to sign their declaration at the real Mount Vernon, and were denied.

Melissa Wood, media relations manager for Mount Vernon, tells us that the conservative group "did make a formal request to use Mount Vernon for this announcement. The request by the Mount Vernon Statement group was denied due to Mount Vernon's events policy."

George Washington's Mount Vernon Estate is owned and maintained in trust for the people of the United States by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association of the Union, a private, non-profit organization. The Association permits outside organizations, companies, or groups to host special events and meetings on the Estate in approved locations. Political, fund-raising, and personal events including, but not limited to, weddings, christenings, bar/bat mitzvahs, or birthday parties, are not permitted.An exception, Wood noted, has been made in the past for presidents. Former President George W. Bush, for instance, was welcomed at Mount Vernon.

"For the president, we feel that George Washington would have hosted them here," Wood said.

LOLOLOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2010, 02:32:43 PM
Quote
"For the president, we feel that George Washington would have hosted them here," Wood said.

probably would ask Obama if Jefferson was his father, then tell him to refill his drink
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2010, 04:20:45 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/palin-trumps-obama---on-a_b_457788.html
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A quick review of the organizers behind what the National Journal calls "12 Key Tea Party Players to Watch" gives us the following:

- a Republican Senator (Tom Coburn)
- a wealthy New York real estate developer (Howard Rich)
- the ultraconservative head of Koch Industries (David Koch)
- a former Republican House Majority Leader (Dick Armey)
- the son of a Republican Member of Congress (Ned Ryun)
- the former campaign manager for a Republican Member of Congress (Frank Anderson)
- a former Republican member of the California Assembly (Howard Kaloogian)
- a fulminating Fox News mouthpiece (Glenn Beck)
- a former speechwriter for George H. W. Bush (Michael Johns)

It seems as if the only influential individual without glaring ties to the GOP or the ultra-right is the organizer of the Convention that hosted Palin, and he's a Nashville DUI attorney. (Write your own joke, as Ed McMahon used to say.) If the GOP/Tea Party connection isn't obvious enough already, in South Carolina they made it official. The Republican party and the Tea Partiers agreed to share a variety of resources, turning a long-time flirtation into a vow of marriage.

The "anti-bank" Tea Party movement's a Republican front, and Republicans are actively marketing themselves to Wall Street as a better - make that even better - bang for their campaign contribution buck than the Democrats.

The GOP's push for "less regulation" is exactly what the banking industry needs to confirm its absolute dominance over the American economy. It would ensure that its excesses are never curbed, perpetuating a system where bankers reap the rewards of success and taxpayers bear the cost of failure. And what's the other centerpiece of Republican economic policy?

Privatizing Social Security.

Where would everybody's Social Security dollars go under a privatization scheme? Why, to Wall Street, of course. The Tea Party plan is simple: Use anti-bank rage to help the Republicans win, so they can give banks even more power. Can the banksters really outsmart the Democrats and pull off a trick like that? From the look of things, the answer might well be:

You betcha.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2010, 04:28:09 PM
^^^
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2010/02/07/palin/index.html

same people, same beliefs. Only difference is the teapartiers hijacked some of Ron Paul's American Revolution rhetoric/cosplay.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 17, 2010, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 17, 2010, 09:29:58 AM
Plain English text can't bear its own meaning.   ::)
Like the second amendment amirite?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2010, 06:33:45 PM
Quote
    * It encourages free enterprise, the individual entrepreneur, and economic reforms grounded in market solutions.

Didn't the U.S. formally adopt the rough idea of free market capitalism as most people know it around the mid to late 1800s?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2010, 06:33:51 PM
Quote from: rush limbaugh
I can't stand being lied to, that, and arrogance and condescension, cockiness, unwarranted conceit, those kind of human characters just drive me nuts.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021710/content/01125100.guest.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2010, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: Eric P on February 17, 2010, 06:33:51 PM
Quote from: rush limbaugh
I can't stand being lied to, that, and arrogance and condescension, cockiness, unwarranted conceit, those kind of human characters just drive me nuts.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021710/content/01125100.guest.html

 :patel

we need an obama deal with it emote. or better yet for butthurt conservatives, a lil jon deal with it emote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2010, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 17, 2010, 10:53:15 PM
I keep running into this argument that raising the marginal tax rate on individuals making over $250,000 will hurt small businesses, and I just don't get it. It's a tax against the owner and any employees making over that amount, not against the business itself.

It's also a tax ONLY ON ANY MONEY EARNED ABOVE 250K.  So, say you make 260k.  You'll only pay the higher taxes on 10k of that.  OH THE HORRORS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 11:57:12 PM
It's because some small businesses file their taxes as individuals, so the marginal rates would apply to them as well.  I really don't know the details, but I think it's fair to call it conservatarian FUD and pay it no mind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2010, 12:03:32 AM
Please, think of the trickle down.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2010, 12:07:41 AM
If you raise taxes on the poor widdle small businesses even though the tax is only on profits, and it's only on every dollar over $250k, they're all gonna lose the incentive to work, and instead be forced to shut down and move to Canada.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2010, 12:14:06 AM
Remember the 1950's, when the top marginal rate of 90% plunged us into a depression and destroyed the nation's small businesses?  Hence Norman Rockwell painting all those stark, dystopian pictures of the US.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
What did you expect to happen under a typical tax and spend liberal like Eisenhower.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2010, 12:34:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 18, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
What did you expect to happen under a typical tax and spend liberal like Eisenhower.

hence Mad Men being a post apocalyptic show
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2010, 02:17:44 AM
It would just be quicker and easier to kill all of the stupid people.  Drop some napalm on the next teabagger rally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 18, 2010, 04:37:33 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 18, 2010, 02:26:31 AM
Judging from studies analyzing voting trends among college educated Americans vs non college educated Americans, if public education were fully subsidized in this country, the entire electorate would probably experience a noticeable and permanent shift to the left.
well obviously.  that's not to say that conservative "ideals" are bad (fiscal responsibility especially), it's just the ideologue hacks that run the party are idiots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 18, 2010, 06:12:43 AM
So is the Employee Free Choice Act completely dead at this point?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 18, 2010, 06:17:34 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 18, 2010, 02:17:44 AM
It would just be quicker and easier to kill all of the stupid people.  Drop some napalm on the next teabagger rally.

Yep.  That or just announce some free NASCAR races or free Toby Keith concerts.  Then once the people are there, napalm away.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 18, 2010, 01:08:49 PM
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/countyfair/posts/lopezteleprompter.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2010, 02:42:56 PM
[youtube=560,345]DAud30dP-lM[/youtube]
hardy har har
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 18, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
I like that one girl who had this NOT AMUSED look on her face for about ten seconds until she realized she was on camera. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 19, 2010, 04:52:03 AM
Quote from: http://gawker.com/5475233/family-guy-actress-with-down-syndromes-sarah-palin-smackdown-too-hot-for-nyt
Family Guy Actress with Down Syndrome's Sarah Palin Smackdown Too Hot for NYT

The latest twist in the important controversy of Family Guy making fun of Trig Palin: An actress with Down syndrome said Sarah Palin "does not have a sense of humor." She was in the offending episode. Updated with more zing!

Andrea Fay Friedman played the girl with Down syndrome Chris dated in the episode. (Her IMDB says she's been on Saving Grace, Law & Order: SVU and 7th Heaven among other shows.) She was the one who said the fateful line which incurred Sarah Palin's facebook-based ire: "My dad's an accountant, and my mom's the former governor of Alaska." (Gawker.tv has got the clip.) And she has something to say to no-fun Sarah Palin, which she said in an email to the New York Times.

However! It appears that what the Times printed was just the nice portion of a much meaner email Friedman sent out to various media outlets. The blog Palingates has published the uncensored email:

My name is Andrea Fay Friedman. I was born with Down syndrome. I played the role of Ellen on the "Extra Large Medium" episode of Family Guy that was broadcast on Valentine's day. Although they gave me red hair on the show, I am really a blonde. I also wore a red wig for my role in " Smudge" but I was a blonde in "Life Goes On". I guess former Governor Palin does not have a sense of humor. I thought the line "I am the daughter of the former governor of Alaska" was very funny. I think the word is "sarcasm".

In my family we think laughing is good. My parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life. My mother did not carry me around under her arm like a loaf of French bread the way former Governor Palin carries her son Trig around looking for sympathy and votes.
How does one say in English... "Zing?" The Times, however, stops at "my parents raised me to have a sense of humor and to live a normal life." They must have done the calculations and figured that being able to interview Sarah Palin in the future was worth more than printing Friedman's awesome email in full. How mainstream media. It's too bad, because the best part about Friedman's response was also the point—such as there was one—of the Family Guy gag: Palin used Trig so blatantly as a campaign tool, and positions herself so squarely as the voice of the disabled community (see: "death panels"), that of course the one person with Down syndrome to appear in the Family Guy episode would be related to her.

We can think of many, many well-meaning but possibly 'edgy' jokes to make right now. But we're watching the Olympics and don't feel like reading a bunch of pissed-off comments from people who would, like Sarah Palin, take these jokes the wrong way. So, let's just say: Excellent work, Andrea Fay Friedman. Stop being so wimpy, New York Times. And: U-S-A! U-S-A!

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
If that burn were any sicker, it'd have to be moved to hospice care.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 19, 2010, 01:36:49 PM
I came in here to post that legendary burn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2010, 04:26:19 PM
i just found out about xpac.  the cpac youth outreach program

http://www.facebook.com/pages/XPAC/245777089026
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 19, 2010, 04:39:46 PM
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0205/4582/x-pac_feature.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 19, 2010, 05:55:34 PM
:piss xpac :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2010, 10:51:55 AM
Alexander Haig is no longer in charge. (http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/02/alexander_m_hai.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2010, 03:58:40 PM
Republicans account for 34% of the earmarks (in dollars) for 2009. Overall, earmark spending was slightly up over 2008. Good to see our government tightening the belt during hard times.

The worst was Thad Cochran(R) of Miss. who had 500 million dollars in pork.

http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/oink_-oink-84839177.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2010, 04:38:43 PM
Considering that Republicans are more apt to represent sparsely populated states in the Senate, sounds about right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Quote from: LVRJ article
Although they represent less than 2 percent of federal government spending each year...

People kvetching about earmarks is a dead giveaway that they're uninformed or unserious about the budget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 08:58:08 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Quote from: LVRJ article
Although they represent less than 2 percent of federal government spending each year...

People kvetching about earmarks is a dead giveaway that they're uninformed or unserious about the budget.

Yup. True believers are all about freezing discretionary spending :rock

*daps ToxicAdam*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 20, 2010, 08:59:09 PM
Cry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
 :lol

We need a Reagan deal-with-it emote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2010, 09:54:29 PM
<Triumph casts *summon FoC*>

Ron Paul wins the CPAC straw poll with 31% to Mittens' 22%. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/eye-on-2012/tk-wins-cpac-straw-poll.html?hpid=artslot)

Of course, the money people in charge of things in the GOP will never let Paul win the nomination.  He should just run as a libertopian.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:17:33 PM
I wonder what would happen if he somehow, magically won the presidency. No way either party would support some of the stuff he wants to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 20, 2010, 10:23:19 PM
He wouldn't beat Obama.  Hell, even Mittens probably can't beat Obama, considering how far to the right he's gonna have to pretend to go in order to win the primaries in 2012.  I hope/bet there's a "Tea Party" candidate in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2010, 10:41:07 PM
(http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/images/Ron-Paul.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 20, 2010, 10:23:19 PM
He wouldn't beat Obama.  Hell, even Mittens probably can't beat Obama, considering how far to the right he's gonna have to pretend to go in order to win the primaries in 2012.  I hope/bet there's a "Tea Party" candidate in 2012.

I know, I was just considering a magical world where Paul somehow won, wondering how government would react.

It'll be funny seeing all the candidates pile on Romney in debates, again. Especially considering health care will have passed and they can throw mud about MA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 20, 2010, 10:47:34 PM
My completely uninformed intuition is that Obama will take 2012 handedly. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:50:07 PM
"anyone but x" doesn't work too well

ask Kerry, whigz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 20, 2010, 10:58:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:43:06 PM
I know, I was just considering a magical world where Paul somehow won

You don't even have to wonder about such a thing. Although our country is crazy enough to elect someone like Sarah Palin I would wager.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 11:02:14 PM
Beck comparing the GOP to Tiger Woods
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/20/glenn-beck-cpac-2010-spee_n_470356.html

Interesting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2010, 11:27:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 20, 2010, 08:31:51 PM
Quote from: LVRJ article
Although they represent less than 2 percent of federal government spending each year...

People kvetching about earmarks is a dead giveaway that they're uninformed or unserious about the budget.

Don't tell me 2% ain't shit when 3 extra billion for the Constellation program becomes "too costly" for this administration's budget.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 21, 2010, 01:23:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:50:07 PM
"anyone but x" doesn't work too well
ask Kerry, whigz
he wasn't an incumbent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 21, 2010, 03:19:41 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 21, 2010, 01:23:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:50:07 PM
"anyone but x" doesn't work too well
ask Kerry, whigz
he wasn't an incumbent.

That's (kind of) the point.  Anyone running against Obama is more or less going to be running on the "anyone but Obama" platform. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2010, 03:23:02 AM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on February 21, 2010, 03:19:41 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on February 21, 2010, 01:23:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 10:50:07 PM
"anyone but x" doesn't work too well
ask Kerry, whigz
he wasn't an incumbent.

That's (kind of) the point.  Anyone running against Obama is more or less going to be running on the "anyone but Obama" platform. 

this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 21, 2010, 03:48:01 AM
So how does that plan make sense for Republicans/Tea Party candidates if most of the people who regret voting for Obama think that he's too much of a centrist?  Unless you're saying that he wouldn't get past the primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2010, 03:52:11 AM
...what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 21, 2010, 06:40:46 AM
Obama has 2012 unless there is a catastrophic fuck up between now and then and not in the faux conservative outrage sense of fucking up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2010, 12:20:29 PM
I wonder how conservatives would react if we catch or kill Bin Laden in the next year or so
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 21, 2010, 12:23:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2010, 12:20:29 PM
I wonder how conservatives would react if we catch or kill Bin Laden in the next year or so

Probably just praise Patreaus and try not to mention Obama at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2010, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 20, 2010, 11:27:49 PM

Don't tell me 2% ain't shit when 3 extra billion for the Constellation program becomes "too costly" for this administration's budget.

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 21, 2010, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 21, 2010, 12:34:45 PM
wat
nerds are mad that Obama cut NASA funding, perhaps the only thing Bush did that they liked.

not to call ToxicAdam a nerd, its just that nobody outside of the internet really cares (IE, nerdy issue).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
Oh, I know that conservatarian technophiles love stuff that was considered futuristic in the 50's (nuclear power! manned spaceflight!).  It's just a non sequitur in this conversation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 21, 2010, 06:17:14 PM
Nobody likes Ron Paul, but I think I'd rather have a libertopian like him be in office than a republitard like Palin. At least the former won't attempt to provide a health care solution that involves exorcisms and leeches.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 21, 2010, 06:20:49 PM
he won't attempt a health care solution, period

that said, i prefer ron paul's money voodoo to palin's straight-up voodoo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 21, 2010, 09:08:04 PM
the evils of two lessers, if you will.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 21, 2010, 09:28:33 PM
Nothing would get done during a Ron Paul presidency; well, there'd be tax cuts for sure, and less foreign entanglements probably.  But any sort of domestic issue he'd be all like "lol Constitution" and veto whatever he didn't like.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2010, 10:44:38 PM
A Ron Paul presidency would involve a bunch of executive orders firing 90% of government workers because he thinks their functions are unconstitutional, followed by a crisis and (successful) impeachment.

Of course, Paul's the only candidate where you'd have to imagine a very different political landscape for him to win.  Palin would need a somewhat dumber, more rightwing country, but it'd still be recognizable as the US, whereas a President Paul fanfic would demand a lot of worldbuilding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 21, 2010, 11:56:10 PM
The Shit Heap is easily the best thread ever in EB history. 

PROOF.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 12:40:46 AM
Paul would get kicked out of office one way or another. Hell, the GOP would probably send a bunch of chicks to the oval office and frame him. But no black chicks obviously
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 22, 2010, 01:04:52 AM
Let's fantasize about a Lyndon Larouche presidency next ...

yawn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 01:06:48 AM
Nuclear attack on Britain obviously
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 10:18:41 AM
Of if we want to get really out there, we could game out a Newt victory.  Wokka wokka.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2010, 11:03:32 AM
Seems like Obama is trying some crazy 11th hour plan to save health care reform. (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/obama-will-propose-federal-oversight-of-rate-hikes/?)

Honestly, while it's not gonna give us the best possible plan, the easiest thing to do at this point is have the House pass the Senate bill and do as much as you can to fix that in reconciliation.  Introducing a completely new plan smacks of insanity at this point, cause you're not gonna get one Republican to vote for it in the Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2010, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 22, 2010, 11:12:16 AM
Mandark's not really good at writing his little fan-fics, is he?  Impeachments require a charge.

(http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/Bill_Clinton_Biography_2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 11:31:44 AM
Yeah, Congress totally wouldn't draw up impeachment papers when the president started wholly disregarding the laws they passed.  I remember when Andrew Johnson did that, and they all chipped in to buy him a new fruit basket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 22, 2010, 11:47:12 AM
lol @ JD defending Clinton's impeachment...any pretense of him being just another socially disfunctional distinguished mentally-challenged fellow attempting to dress up in "inherent principles" keeps melting away
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
lying about a blowjob = impeachable offense
bringing the govt. to a standstill = heroic act of altruism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 11:56:31 AM
The best thing about the Clinton impeachment is that the question which he lied in response to (about his relationship with Lewinsky) was retroactively disallowed, since it was irrelevant.  Using a civil trial to draw out information about a politician's consensual sex life isn't my idea of the proper use of a court.

Then again, I don't have JD's magickal Ouija Board which lets him read the intents of the Founding Fathers (among which is that Washington DC shouldn't have any residential areas!).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 11:56:41 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 22, 2010, 11:03:32 AM
Seems like Obama is trying some crazy 11th hour plan to save health care reform. (http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/obama-will-propose-federal-oversight-of-rate-hikes/?)

Honestly, while it's not gonna give us the best possible plan, the easiest thing to do at this point is have the House pass the Senate bill and do as much as you can to fix that in reconciliation.  Introducing a completely new plan smacks of insanity at this point, cause you're not gonna get one Republican to vote for it in the Senate.

Everything Obama is proposing can be done through reconciliation though. On one hand he's showing his plan to the GOP, daring them to oppose it. On the other hand he has the reconciliation side car ready to go, with the threat of a public option; that letter has 20 signees so far and is gaining steam, and I could totally see Obama saying "dudes if you filibuster my harmless bill, a public option will pass. You see what happens, you see what happens?" to them.

But if not one republican would come forward to support the senate bill in the past to, oh I don't know, demand malpractice reform in exchange for a cloture vote, why would any republicans come forward and take any deal from Obama now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 12:09:51 PM
Limiting rate increases is a very good bit of opportunistic politics, in light of the recent hikes and the publicity they got (due in large part to the administration releasing a report about them).

But I think there's been a lot more planning and co-ordination on passing a bill since the Brown election than people think, just like there has been through the whole process.  Senate bill with a reconciliation fix has always been the only plausible path forward as well as Pelosi's preference.  For whatever reasons she hasn't had the votes for it, and you can be sure that at this point she and the WH know who's holding out and what they're holding out for.

So whatever plan the administration unveils is likely geared towards winning over whatever progressives and Blue Dogs are still balking.



PS Half my insights these days being stolen from Jonathan Bernstein. (http://plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 12:22:20 PM
Obama's plan/proposal scraps the national exchange, giving republicans the state exchanges they want (but with regulation). Meh. But once republicans reject this, the senate should be able to put a national exchange in the reconciliation bill.

proposal is here:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2010/02/the-white-house-health-care-plan.php?page=1&ref=fpblg

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 22, 2010, 01:15:42 PM
Why are there so many hardcore/distinguished mentally-challenged Republican posters at Politico? It makes no sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Citizens detached from reality tend to flock together
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 01:35:30 PM
Wait, are you reading the comments section at Politico?

What are the odds a site that popular dealing with politics is going to have good user comments?  It's probably like a slightly more literate version of Youtube in that regard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 22, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
I dunno exactly how much of a Bush apologist Jaydubya is, but does he think that lying to the American people in order to start a war with another country is something that would have had Madison's seal of approval?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2010, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 22, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
I dunno exactly how much of a Bush apologist Jaydubya is, but does he think that lying to the American people in order to start a war with another country is something that would have had Madison's seal of approval?

Barking up the wrong tree here, JD didn't want the Iraq war I'm pretty sure.
Title: In before "under oath!"
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 02:35:20 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 22, 2010, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 22, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
I dunno exactly how much of a Bush apologist Jaydubya is, but does he think that lying to the American people in order to start a war with another country is something that would have had Madison's seal of approval?

Barking up the wrong tree here, JD didn't want the Iraq war I'm pretty sure.

JD wasn't strongly anti-war until the Ron Paul campaign.  Up to that point his take was that the Hussein regime's behavior coulda been considered grounds for casus belli, if it really was pursuing WMD in violation of international agreements it had signed.  Plus he argued against drastic cuts in the military budget when I pointed out that our current stockpile of nukes were a good enough deterrent on their own.

He's an OG libertarian, unlike FoC, but he is a dove-come-lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 22, 2010, 02:39:47 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 22, 2010, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 22, 2010, 02:26:03 PM
I dunno exactly how much of a Bush apologist Jaydubya is, but does he think that lying to the American people in order to start a war with another country is something that would have had Madison's seal of approval?

Barking up the wrong tree here, JD didn't want the Iraq war I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, I knew he didn't support every stupid right wing policy, just most of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 22, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
Downing Street what now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 06:12:26 PM
bubububu clinton, democrats
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2010, 06:43:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2010, 06:12:26 PM
bubububu clinton's penis, democrats

fixt lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
GS:  So I was just reading the comments at Politico...

Mandark:  Why in the blue hell would anyone do that?

GS:  Did you know that there are a bunch of dogmatically ignorant conservatives?  I totally pwnt them, tho.

Mandark:  ...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 22, 2010, 08:49:46 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Keep fighting the good fight GS!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2010, 06:02:42 AM
So Scott Brown voted for the jobs bill. So much for being the next Ronald Reagan. Dunno why he thought siding with the dems on his first vote would be a good thing. Limbaugh's gonna have his legs broke.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2sb7cx5.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 23, 2010, 07:19:47 AM
Didn't he just vote for cloture?

Funny how in this political reality, voting NOT to let something get held up by a procedural glitch that shouldn't even exist is voting "for" it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2010, 08:52:27 AM
See? A vote for dems is a vote for evil. That is how brainwashed these morons are.

"You voted for a jobs bill to help create jobs in a shitty economy!? I'm sorry I supported your campaign."  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 23, 2010, 08:56:03 AM
Hopefully he gets cast out by the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and votes for the health care bill to cuz there's nothing to lose :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2010, 11:51:18 AM
The problem is that the corporation has no mouth to speak with. It only has representatives speaking on behalf of the corporation.
Title: You never studied
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2010, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 23, 2010, 10:29:38 AM
Then why are you on about decrying corporate personhood, a completely unrelated concept?

Because the SCOTUS decision extended first amendment protections to corporations, explicitly citing (and in the process expanding) the doctrine of corporate personhood as a central pillar of its ruling, in which it overturned a law that specifically limited speech by corporations rather than individuals?

You've got a funny notion of "unrelated".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 23, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
Hey JayDubya, why don't you read back another couple dozen pages and respond to all the stuff people were saying to you the last time you disappeared?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 23, 2010, 01:39:53 PM
 :lol

<JayDubya> And now is the time I vanish for two weeks, only to return once more to mock Mandark for one or two posts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2010, 02:00:26 PM
JAYDUBYA:  I have discovered a truly remarkable proof of natural rights, which this margin is too small to contain.

JAYDUBYA DROPS SMOKE BOMB, VANISHES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2010, 04:55:09 PM
Great (and depressing) article by Glenn Greenwald about why the dems being 'for' the public option is all hogwash.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2010, 08:12:21 PM
Green Shinobi, you have to preserve the corporate profits above all else. Even the people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2010, 08:26:08 PM
Or republicans alienating muslims.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 23, 2010, 08:39:42 PM
LOL @ conservatives still talking about Bill Clinton
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2010, 09:10:07 PM
It's not pussy footing. It's bribes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Snuflupagulus on February 23, 2010, 10:15:57 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 23, 2010, 02:00:26 PM
JAYDUBYA:  I have discovered a truly remarkable proof of natural rights, which this margin is too small to contain.
Impressive, Mandark.   :lol

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll15/Snuflupagulus/mewritebig.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 23, 2010, 11:40:05 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 23, 2010, 08:20:23 PM
Imagine if Lincoln had cared about alienating plantation owners?
The main reason that Northerners supported getting rid of slavery was because they didn't like the plantation owner lifestyle and believed that indentured servitude was too inefficient compared to a wage-based economy.  Unfortunately, no democrats are really considering trying to get that type of self-serving attitude on their side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
Zing!

Quote from: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=02&year=2010&base_name=respect_their_authoriteh#118585
The Senate is holding a hearing today where several current and former Blackwater employees will be testifying, but honestly the only way Congress would stop giving Blackwater money is if it started registering black people to vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2010, 01:57:36 PM
holy shit  :lol

Quote
Gov. Gibbons Caught Repeatedly Lying About Trip To D.C. With Woman (VIDEO)
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/gov_gibbons_caught_repeatedly_lying_over_dc_trip_w.php?ref=fpblg

Annihilation to embarrassing levels. How can a governor get away with this lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2010, 02:00:17 PM
If he was a democrat, he'd lose his job. He probably considers himself a christian too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2010, 02:04:06 PM
"What are the odds this guy's a big hypocrite?" I ask myself.

Sure nuff, he vetoed a domestic partnership bill (http://www.lvrj.com/news/46074052.html).  In his defense (?), he said it wasn't because of any personal beliefs but because he was following the polls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2010, 02:05:07 PM
I was gonna say "he makes Kwame look like ______" but then I remembered that statement is outdated now that the feds have a RICA case on him lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 24, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBqtyvn7OVw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 24, 2010, 07:20:50 PM
:patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 24, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]YuhfMWjHCkM
[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuhfMWjHCkM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2010, 11:44:20 PM
Oh hai, you're back to explain to us how corporate citizenship is "completely unrelated" to the Citizens United case.

I was worried for a bit.  We were all missing the mark really badly and needed the guidance of an expert in constitutional law who actually read the arguments and rulings of the case.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2010, 11:45:29 PM
I also want to know where in the Constitution it talks about corporations.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2010, 12:03:24 AM
I'd be in favor of abolishing the party system completely. Rather than do anything useful, it just breeds an "us vs. them" mentality that bogs everything down and lends itself to lots of pandering to get votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2010, 12:03:24 AM
I'd be in favor of abolishing the party system completely. Rather than do anything useful, it just breeds an "us vs. them" mentality that bogs everything down and lends itself to lots of pandering to get votes.

Ah, to be twelve and idealistic again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2010, 12:07:18 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:04:49 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2010, 12:03:24 AM
I'd be in favor of abolishing the party system completely. Rather than do anything useful, it just breeds an "us vs. them" mentality that bogs everything down and lends itself to lots of pandering to get votes.

Ah, to be twelve and idealistic again.

:patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2010, 12:26:56 AM
I'd be more in favor abolishing the Senate.  I mean, if we're wishing for crap that we're not gonna get here, that is.  Also, a blow job from Angelina Jolie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2010, 12:29:47 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on February 25, 2010, 12:26:56 AM
I'd be more in favor abolishing the Senate.  I mean, if we're wishing for crap that we're not gonna get here, that is.  Also, a blow job from Angelina Jolie.

Vote Вiff Кoммiёslaуer for President in 2012.

"A Senate in every toilet and a blow job from Angelina Jolie!"

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2010, 12:32:39 AM
My friends are trying to convince me to move back to Athens, GA and run against Paul Broun for Congress.  I said only if they can guarantee me a squad of chicks in bikinis carrying guns to be my security.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:40:21 AM
[youtube=560,345]KBqtyvn7OVw[/youtube]

Watch until the end.  You'll know why.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 25, 2010, 01:14:39 AM
Would it be possible for an individual to become a corporation?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 25, 2010, 02:18:20 AM
Slavery would bring back the fun in investing.  I guess you could set up an Indian guy as your shell corporation too just to get around taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 25, 2010, 02:32:17 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:40:21 AM
[youtube=560,345]KBqtyvn7OVw[/youtube]

Watch until the end.  You'll know why.

I posted this on this very same page, dawg. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2010, 05:27:12 AM
Kinda hard to get excited over that video when you remember the democrats are bought off too, to a lesser degree.

public option  :'(
rockerfeller :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 08:51:16 AM
So I guess you aren't even going to respond to my post on the last page, lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2010, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 25, 2010, 08:58:00 AM
Just be plain, dude.  If you want to chat about something, bring it up.

ever notice how men always leave the toilet seat up?  what's up with that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 25, 2010, 08:58:00 AM
Just be plain, dude.  If you want to chat about something, bring it up.

Could I be plainer? I'll try:

What is the point in carrying on a debate with you if you will disappear when the questions get too difficult? Every 5-6 weeks you show up in here, grandstand, and then when people start picking away at your posts you vanish - only to come back and act like you haven't been here before.

How about you dig up the last dozen or so questions you abandoned, and answer those before starting up a new conversation?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 10:23:42 AM
I did, a month ago, and you ran off.

And apparently this quote:

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 23, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
Hey JayDubya, why don't you read back another couple dozen pages and respond to all the stuff people were saying to you the last time you disappeared?

Is ambiguous enough for you to spend 4 or 5 posts twisting in your chair and saying nothing. OK.

You just said on the last page that you were "magically" reading back in the thread, why don't you read back to the last page you had a post in before your disappearance and pick up where you left off?

Also, your innocent act starts to ring hollow when you call me a douche for asking you to meet the basic standards of debate. I'm surprised I'd even have to ask that of an empowered individualist such as yourself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 10:58:52 AM
Let's recap:

-JayDubya, as a free actor, chooses to leave a debate with direct questions left unanswered.
-JayDubya returns, depending on bleeding heart sensibilities among his peers to absolve him of the consequences of his decision to violate the standards of debate.
-This fails. He calls them a douche
-That fails. JayDubya requests that someone take on the role of nanny state and compile all the stuff he chose to ignore.
-AV refuses, instead making this post and accepting his role as douche.

conclusion? There is no reason for a thinking individual to respond to you any longer, as you are likely to bail out at any moment and leave the burden on them to keep track of it all. Fuck off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 25, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
This is EB, dude. Who the fuck makes an effort to try to meet the basic standards of debate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 11:10:34 AM
you go above and beyond.
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:04:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 25, 2010, 07:53:42 AM
The corporations in question are referred to as a "class of speaker" or as "associations" on multiple occasions.  You'll also see "person or group" on occasion.

Personhood appears in the document in question once, sarcastically, and in quotes, from the dissent.

Legally categorizing corporations so that they enjoy the constitutional protections originally afforded to individuals is corporate personhood.  I think you know this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
There's a difference between saying "I agree with the ruling" and "it has nothing to do with corporate personhood."

You get this, no?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:23:20 PM
Okay, explain what you think "corporate personhood" means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:27:14 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 25, 2010, 12:14:53 PM
Free speech, like a lot of freedoms, is something you're all in for, or you're not.

Possible responses, in no particular order:

*  Well, the founders sure weren't all in for it.

*  If you think misleading commercial speech should be regulated, you aren't either.

*  And we all know you're not "all in" for the freedom of movement or the franchise.



edit: and don't bother with the angry defenses of yourself or the fathers.  I figure you've already spent the time mentally carving out exceptions and I'm not terribly interested.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:46:48 PM
Quit trying to shift from the positive to the normative, plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:54:17 PM
Look, are you standing by the "corporate personhood has nothing to do with this ruling" bit, or not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:57:32 PM
Please explain the legal idea of corporate personhood.
Title: I don't think even Scalia has tried to give them "all" the rights yet
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 01:01:37 PM
So a ruling that extends rights to corporations, overturning a precedent that denied them based on corporations not being "natural persons", has nothing to do with corporate personhood.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2010, 02:58:25 PM
What were corporations when the Constitution was written?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
Picking cotton with black people?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 03:14:44 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 25, 2010, 01:04:08 PM
The First Amendment is violated by the Congress passing laws that censor speech - the ruling overturns those laws.

The law limited speech by corporations.

In saying that it was unconstitutional, the implication is that First Amendment protections apply to corporations.  More than an implication, actually, because the majority ruling explicitly makes that case (though most of the language is in the form of "doesn't not apply to").

The extension of constitutional rights and protections to corporations is corporate personhood.  It's not the idea that corporations are actually people, but rather that a court can extend certain legal rights and protections to corporations in the same way those rights and protections apply to persons, even if the text of the law does not.  That is very much what the court is doing here.

That's why so much of the analysis of the case (by actual lawyers!) has focused (http://balkin.blogspot.com/2009/12/citizens-united-corporate-personhood.html) on and debated (http://www.acslaw.org/node/15118) the concept (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100215/williams) of corporate (http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/01/analysis-the-personhood-of-corporations/) personhood (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/02/02/when-individuals-form-corporations-they-dont-lose-their-rights/).

The point is that independent of what one thinks of the merits of the ruling, corporate personhood was one of the primary legal issues involved.  The experts all agree on that (again, as a separate issue from how they feel about the ruling.

So my beef is that you mocked a bunch of other people for missing the point and talking about "a completely unrelated concept", only it turns out it's not unrelated, but pretty central to the case.  If you're going to get all dismissive and sarky about other people missing the point, it behooves you to make sure they actually are.

It'd be like someone not just defending Titanic, but claiming that it's not a melodrama.


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2010, 04:06:15 PM
What were corporations when the country was founded?  What did the founders (you know, the guys whose collective salad you're continually tossing) think about their role in society?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 25, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 03:14:44 PM

If Malek or anyone else who's qualified wants to smack me down a bit here, I'd more than welcome it.

I don't have a clue what's going on in the States; I have more than enough English and Canadian cases to read.

Useless Canadian Perspective: The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that corporations do have freedom of expression. The Canadian Charter, however, was written well after the idea of corporate personhood had been accepted into British and Canadian law. The Court has also interpreted all Charter rights very broadly and liberally. It has ruled that soliciting is a protected form of expression. It has, in dicta, even said that illegal parking can be a form expression. So protecting corporate expression isn't much of a stretch.

The Supreme Court has never really had to seriously grapple with the issue because they can rely of Section One of the Canadian Charter, which allows the government to limit Charter rights, as long as those limits are reasonable. This has, imo, allowed the Court to grant corporations freedom of expression without worrying about the consequences: The government can limit corporate speech, which it has constantly, and the Supreme Court then say the limitation is reasonable. Furthermore, the Court has said that commercial speech is less worthy of protection than other speech (this had no basis in law; it was a purely normative judgment on the part of the Majority).

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2010, 04:37:18 PM
wrong thread  :lol
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Post by: Himu on February 25, 2010, 04:38:33 PM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2010, 04:42:09 PM
No, what were corporations back in the day is what I'm trying to get at.  Could anyone have reasonably mistaken them for a person back then?  Could anyone have reasonably thought they deserved or warranted the same rights and protections that actual people did?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 25, 2010, 05:43:27 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on February 25, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 03:14:44 PM

If Malek or anyone else who's qualified wants to smack me down a bit here, I'd more than welcome it.

I don't have a clue what's going on in the States; I have more than enough English and Canadian cases to read.

Useless Canadian Perspective: The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that corporations do have freedom of expression. The Canadian Charter, however, was written well after the idea of corporate personhood had been accepted into British and Canadian law. The Court has also interpreted all Charter rights very broadly and liberally. It has ruled that soliciting is a protected form of expression. It has, in dicta, even said that illegal parking can be a form expression. So protecting corporate expression isn't much of a stretch.

The Supreme Court has never really had to seriously grapple with the issue because they can rely of Section One of the Canadian Charter, which allows the government to limit Charter rights, as long as those limits are reasonable. This has, imo, allowed the Court to grant corporations freedom of expression without worrying about the consequences: The government can limit corporate speech, which it has constantly, and the Supreme Court then say the limitation is reasonable. Furthermore, the Court has said that commercial speech is less worthy of protection than other speech (this had no basis in law; it was a purely normative judgment on the part of the Majority).

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 25, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
It's the Canadian way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 25, 2010, 06:06:28 PM
i actually have an ex who's PoliSci PhD thesis was about how the modern Canadian charter left some gaping holes that made the supreme court have to step in and "legislate from the bench" even though they really didn't want to
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 25, 2010, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 25, 2010, 06:06:28 PM
i actually have an ex who's PoliSci PhD thesis was about how the modern Canadian charter left some gaping holes that made the supreme court have to step in and "legislate from the bench" even though they really didn't want to

That's bullshit. All The Supreme Court needs to do is ascertain the intent of the founding fathers--and, maybe pick up a dictionary--that's it.

Seriously, I'm shocked that merited a PhD thesis. The Charter, like all constitutions, is written in sparse general language; The Court had no choice but to fill in the gaps. Plus, a lot of existing laws conflicted with The Charted once The Charter came into effect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 25, 2010, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on February 25, 2010, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 25, 2010, 06:06:28 PM
i actually have an ex who's PoliSci PhD thesis was about how the modern Canadian charter left some gaping holes that made the supreme court have to step in and "legislate from the bench" even though they really didn't want to

That's bullshit. All The Supreme Court needs to do is ascertain the intent of the founding fathers--and, maybe pick up a dictionary--that's it.

Seriously, I'm shocked that merited a PhD thesis. The Charter, like all constitutions, is written in sparse general language; The Court had no choice but to fill in the gaps. Plus, a lot of existing laws conflicted with The Charted once The Charter came into effect.

I dunno if I was acurately describing what she was getting at but that was the general gist of what I took away. I think the last sentence is mostly where she was coming from, establishing a new legal foundation onto an already mature and stable society had a bit of unintended consiquences
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 25, 2010, 06:44:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
Picking cotton with black people?
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
Picking cotton
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
(http://www.truthinjustice.org/picking-cotton.jpg)

So the corporations were originally WHITE WOMEN.  No voting, no land ownership, and no political donations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 11:10:34 AM


Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 25, 2010, 11:07:46 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 25, 2010, 10:58:52 AM

conclusion? There is no reason for a thinking individual to respond to you any longer, as you are likely to bail out at any moment and leave the burden on them to keep track of it all. Fuck off.

This is EB, dude. Who the fuck makes an effort to try to meet the basic standards of debate?

you go above and beyond.
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 25, 2010, 11:38:24 PM
the government isn't composed of people, of course; rather, it's a terrible violation of nature
Title: Hooray for Malek! Boo for irrelevant normative tangents!
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 12:18:22 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 25, 2010, 03:53:14 PM
The law limited speech, which was the no-no.

The majority ruling states that the association of the speaker is not grounds for censorship, that said censorship laws violate the First.  Corporations are not given special status or special regard in this ruling.

When you say corporate personhood means "a court can extend certain legal rights and protections to corporations in the same way those rights and protections apply to persons, even if the text of the law does not," well there's an obvious counter to that.  Chiefly, the text of the law, does not limit freedom of speech, nor does it state who is given free speech.  The text of the law forbids our legislative branch from passing laws that are restrictive of free speech.

The ruling doesn't care whether or not corporations are people, or rather, "people."  The First Amendment doesn't draw a distinction that would make such a question material.

Okay, look.

1)  The concept of corporate personhood is NOT about whether a corporation is a person.

2)  The concept of corporate personhood is about the extent to which legal rights can or can't be extended to corporations.

3)  The CU case revolved around a question of how far 1st Am. protections protect corporate speech.

4)  The CU case was about corporate personhood.

4a)  This is true INDEPENDENT OF WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE RULING.


Take a moment and go back to read my posts.  You'll notice (I hope) that I haven't said a damn thing about whether or not the case was decided properly, or about my own opinion of corporate personhood.  The point I've been trying to get across isn't that it's good or bad or whatever, just that corporate personhood is central to the CU ruling, and as such you shouldn't mock people who say so.

For now, I'm not saying it's good or bad or whatever.  I went out of my way to link to some libertarians defending the idea so that this would get through, but apparently it didn't so I'm trying to be as clear as possible.



Malek:  Not helpful, but still interesting.  I can feel like I learned something today, and at some point in the future I'll casually mention this stuff as if I just happen to analyze different legal systems in my spare time.  People will fail to be duly impressed.

GS:  I actually think the dynamic here is just like the one with you and the Titanic/melodrama business.  I also think that Titanic fits not just the classic definition of a melodrama ("popular romances that depicted a virtuous individual (usually a woman) or couple (usually lovers) victimized by repressive and inequitable social circumstances, particularly those involving marriage") but also the common one (manipulative schmaltz).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 26, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 25, 2010, 11:38:24 PM
the government isn't composed of people, of course; rather, it's a terrible violation of nature

Is this stole from anywhere? If not, you're getting credit for its inclusion down the line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 26, 2010, 10:42:00 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/26/paterson-wont-run-in-2010_n_478077.html

lulz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2010, 12:40:40 PM
so can spitzer get his job back plz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 26, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 26, 2010, 06:27:44 AM


P.P.S. Yikes at Canada, per usual, though that was informative.  Can you give us an example of how they've employed that "reasonable" clause with regards to, say, freedom of speech?

Section One is governed by the Oakes test, which is applied by a court after a claimant has proven that one of his or her rights has been violated.

The government needs to first show it is addressing a pressing and substantial objective (almost anything counts!), then it needs to show, on a balance of probabilities, that the means employed are proportional (rationally connected to the object with a minimal impairment to rights).

To answer your question, the Supreme Court has found that the following were reasonable limits on expression: obscenity and hate speech laws;  limits on election spending; and bans on tobacco advertisement and advertisements geared to young children in Quebec.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 26, 2010, 06:27:44 AM
yes, they are extended protection, but that is because they are a subset of well, all speakers whom Congress has no right to limit in this regard - namely, everyone.

But that's basically the definition of corporate personhood!  The idea that corporations are not excluded from enjoying certain constitutional rights!  Have I not been clear?

You seem to believe that the text of the ruling would include some phrase like "as Citizens United is a person" or "as a factor of its personhood" or "the Court has wished upon the star, and now the complainant is a real boy!" and that because it doesn't, it must not be applying that concept.  That's not how it works.

Quote from: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 12:18:22 AM
1)  The concept of corporate personhood is NOT about whether a corporation is a person.

I mean, was this unclear?  I don't know how to rephrase it any better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
hahaha, I *knew* you were gonna go with "well, by the broad definition you're using..." bit.

I'm using the definition that's used in the legal profession, as best I can understand it.

You're using a definition you seem to have made up yourself, and then insulted people for not applying that definition correctly.  That is what bugs me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 26, 2010, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 25, 2010, 04:51:25 PM
founder's intent only applies to guns.
and rightfully so.

<3 guns <3
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 26, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 26, 2010, 02:05:02 PM

I must say, though, that if the concept of corporate personhood is wholly unrelated to whether a corporation is a person, it's not really well named, is it?  And you well know the way our government wields personhood is already a matter of concern for me.


corporate personhood =/= human personhood. Corporate personhood is just a useful legal construct allowing corporations to be treated as artificial persons for specific purposes (to hire employees, agree to contracts, purchase property, pay taxes, and, originally, shield shareholders from liability). In other words, the personhood is--or at least was--limited to specific contexts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 03:02:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 26, 2010, 02:22:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 02:12:05 PM

I'm using the definition that's used in the legal profession, as best I can understand it.

And you think I wasn't?

Nope.

I think you tried to suss out the meaning based on the definitions of the individual words in its name.  That is what you did, isn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 03:10:22 PM
Oh, where did you get your definition then?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2010, 03:15:29 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 26, 2010, 05:18:45 PM
Oh, man this is just priceless. I've mentioned my birther roommate before. The thing that's been bothering me about him for months is that he's got a vehement hatred of liberals. Now, that by itself would have been just fine if it wasn't for the fact that he's a drug using, pro-gay marriage atheist, among other things. So I made a list of roughly ~25 questions, some general, some specific, to see where he officially stood on the political spectrum, and maybe he had a host of other issues that he sided with the repubs on to a much greater extent. From the ~25 questions or so, there were only 3 that he sided with republican philosophy:

-abortion
-gun rights
-feelings toward the military

I was surprised at abortion, but I didn't press him too much on the issue. For the second one, apparently he hates the fact that Obama opposes assault rifles (he doesn't), and that if he could, Obama would totally repeal the second amendment. When I pressed him on why he thought that, he said he heard that he was the most liberal senator in the senate.

But the real fun began with issue no. 3. The specific question I asked was: Would you be in favor of increased funding for the troops by closing tax loopholes on the very wealthy? He said no. Mind you, this is from a guy who was in the fucking army for 4 years!

However, as amusing and confounding as that was, the highlight of the night was when we started discussing how the military is treated by both political parties. He says that he hates liberals/democrats because they're not patriotic at all and they're the ones that 'spat on soldiers' coming home from Vietnam. He then went on to talk about how at a funeral he attended for another soldier a few years ago, there appeared to be protesters that showed up with signs that said "Thank god for I.E.D.s" and other inflammatory language. Who were these protesters? Apparently some group that called themselves the 'Liberal Church". Now, I thought that was kind of weird, what with "liberal church" sounding like an oxymoron, but I still decided to go and check out who these douchebags were. After much searching on the google, I was continuously led back to the same group. I tried to make sure I wasn't confusing them with someone else and saw if there were other hate groups with an evil liberal agenda, but alas, didn't turn out to be the case. Same signs, same location he mentioned, same everything. So who was this "liberal church"? Turns out it was the Westboro Baptist Church. The same one that's headed by - wait for it - Fred fucking Phelps. :rofl

Since my roommate had absolutely no problem with painting all liberals with the same brush due to this one incident, logically he will denounce all things right wing at this point as well, right?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 26, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
with the majority of my idiot gender in this country, the fundamental problem is that the word "liberal" is deeply associated with the word "pussy" in their minds. republicans and conservatives own angry, vengeful, hypermasculine rhetoric, and as a result, many duders will reject self-identification as liberal out of fear of being considered a total wuss. yay, identity politics!

personally, i think more ought to be done to associate conservatives with knuckle-dragging, kid-diddlin', illiterate hill folk, but stupid pussy liberals keep acting like we should play nice -- the pussies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 26, 2010, 11:48:48 PM
I honestly don't know why conservatives aren't mocked more as giant pussies for demanding the entire country stop and assume the fetal position everytime a brown person from the middle east says "boo".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 12:04:51 AM
Hey, the knuckle-dragging, kid-diddlin', illiterate hill folk vote Democratic, at least in West Virginia.

I'm all for defecating on the GOP brand, but I'd hate to further stigmatize any lower class communities doing it.  Cause you know, pussy liberalism and stuff.

Besides, it's probably more effective/accurate to paint them as callous, moneyed assholes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 12:27:31 AM
yeah, but male voters WANT to be callous, moneyed assholes. fuck, i want to be one, too, but my librul pussiness holds me back! our heroes are like gordon gekko, not gandhi.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 12:37:10 AM
Yeah, I realized that after I hit post.

At least most of the country still hates the pampered heirs of industry, even if we spend a good chunk of money on magazines telling us who they're schtupping and how they got ready for bikini season using just three rules.  Sigh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2010, 01:12:21 AM
I think in this society for various reasons "conservative" and "liberal" have different connotations even when you divorce the politics from it. "Liberal" has a connotation of overly permissive. And "conservative" has a more positive connection/connotation in this country based on tradition and stability.

Then when you add in the political equation, Liberals were never able to overcome the stigma of the word from the 70's and 80's.

Whenever you poll people based on how they self identify Conservative always is the most common political choice. However when you  generally poll based on the actual positions of these ideologies, liberals policies tend to do just as well and better than conservative policies. People in general are a victim to connotation and perception rather than reality. Nothing new there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 27, 2010, 07:38:59 AM
In what way does the first sentence fail to identify modern conservatives?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 12:19:32 PM
well, how about gawping shitheel homeschooled jesus freaks, then? 'cuz when someone self-identifies as a Republican, i think of three things:

1) a barely educated, reactionary hillbilly
2) a moralizing evangelist
3) a confused randroid teenager

as for being elitist, i believe everyone should strive for elitism! if you call me an elitist, it's already an acknowledgment that i am looking down on you and that you should cede all future authority in discussions to me lest you find your inferior position justified. :punch "elitist" is the equivalent of "teabagger" for filthy socialists like me; it's something we WANT to be called!

and what's money? are you happier or more secure because you have more? i got a fair bit through the result of my bootstrappin' american git-up-an'-go, and i'm no happier at $200K/yr then i was at $20K/yr, because the acquisition of capital has never been the central joy of my life. i'd rather a healthy chunk of my money go to placate the little people and let me get on with the business of being elite, rather than suggesting they eat cake, senator bunning style, and then having them light me up because the cake was a lie, lol portal, etc etc

but i do enjoy guns just in case social services can't buy 'em off. mmm, coercion. it just amazes me how libertarians don't understand human nature; it's no wonder most of them are just noisy failures.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2010, 12:25:58 PM
I think what Prole is trying to say is

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/Triumph/elitist_shirt_preview.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 04:45:23 PM
Libertarians, insofar as they buy into public choice theory and hardcore neoclassical economics, don't believe in human nature, so much as they do a completely bowdlerized version of it designed to fit mathematical models.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 05:02:05 PM
bububububu selfishness is a virtue! sociopathy is admirable! empathy is the degeneracy of the species!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 06:24:30 PM
You don't really believe that JD.  You just pretend to believe it because you think it will get you richer in the long run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
yet somehow, we are among the most social of creatures
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 08:06:51 PM
Apparently "self interest is human nature" really means "self interest alone is the sum total of all human emotions and thought".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 08:10:20 PM
i was gonna post that, but i figured we'd get into one of those weird libertard self-justification games where they decide to do something disingenuous and pseudoalgorithmic, like enumerating and ranking human principles
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 10:20:39 PM
When ideologues collide, we all lose.

Poli-bore: A thread of public masturbation to imaginary ideals.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 10:22:34 PM
perhaps in his hippy-dippy socialist utopia
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 10:27:20 PM
I could go through the last 60 posts of Somedude, drakesfortune and Diablos and glean more information than I have learned in the past three pages.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2010, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 27, 2010, 10:22:04 PM
TA has apparently found some magical internet forum where concensus building is the name of the game.

I bet on that forum John McCain is still a well respected, independent minded legislator instead of a grouchy, vindictive senile old bitch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 27, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
And yet you still read.
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I wish I had that much time to waste. I skim and pray for someone posting relevant information to today's world.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 10:34:35 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 27, 2010, 10:28:50 PM
And yet you still read.
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I wish I had that much time to waste. I skim and pray for someone posting relevant information to today's world.





perhaps you can graduate to the huffpo in a couple years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 10:35:23 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 10:20:39 PM
When ideologues collide, we all lose.

Poli-bore: A thread of public masturbation to imaginary ideals.

If those ideals can include a vaguely defined self-congratulatory centrism, you're leading the pack.  Just saying, yo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 27, 2010, 10:38:34 PM
I dunno - when you find yourself descending into an argument about natural rights with JayDubya you might be wanking on the side of angels, but wanking nonetheless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2010, 10:48:46 PM
All political conversations basically devolve into the same repeating shit and patterns. Which is why I treat it like a sports thread. In that sense political threads are fun and fine.
Title: Draining the Swamp ....
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
Rangel gets slap on the wrist for ethics violations.


Quote
You would have thought the signs and materials from Citigroup, Pfizer, American Airlines, AT&T, Verizon, Macy's and IBM plastered around the 2008 conference in St. Maarten would have provided a clue that corporate money was involved. But apparently Rangel was clueless. His response to the ethics committee's admonishment? (Rangel) criticized the committee and blamed his staff. "Common sense dictates that members of Congress should not be held responsible for what could be the wrongdoing or mistakes or errors of staff," he said. What a stand-up guy.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-ethics-rangel,0,4039517.story


20 term representative. :dizzy  10 terms too long.

Title: Tonight we're gonna party like it's nineteen ninety four!
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 11:06:17 PM
Term limits!  Earmarks!  Frank Luntz!  etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 27, 2010, 11:08:57 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on February 27, 2010, 10:34:35 PM


perhaps you can graduate to the huffpo in a couple years


Maybe I could join you then ...

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=7213.0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 27, 2010, 11:17:19 PM
perhaps you could

perhaps

 :smug
Title: Re: Tonight we're gonna party like it's nineteen ninety four!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2010, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 11:06:17 PM
Term limits!  Earmarks!  Frank Luntz!  etc.

Deficits!  Spending!  Center-right nation!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 11:26:46 PM
Getting this back on track:

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/651/conflictedconservatives.png)


Note that those are percentages of conservatives who want to cut those programs, not of the population at large.

This pretty well dovetails with Prole's repeated observation that most of the people demanding less spending have absolutely no clue about the composition of the federal budget.  Foreign aid is the money that falls out of Social Security's wallet and the State Department finds beneath the sofa cushions a month later.

The hobbyhorses of soi-disant deficit hawks (funding for the arts, foreign aid, earmarked spending, welfare) is a miniscule part of the overall budget, and an even tinier part of future obligations.  It's like they believe that the cost of a program is directly proportional to their own sputtering outrage at that program's existence.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2010, 11:47:06 PM
I was gonna post that. It was kinda shocking at first, but after a few minutes it makes sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2010, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 11:26:46 PM
Getting this back on track:

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/651/conflictedconservatives.png)


Note that those are percentages of conservatives who want to cut those programs, not of the population at large.

This pretty well dovetails with Prole's repeated observation that most of the people demanding less spending have absolutely no clue about the composition of the federal budget.  Foreign aid is the money that falls out of Social Security's wallet and the State Department finds beneath the sofa cushions a month later.

The hobbyhorses of soi-disant deficit hawks (funding for the arts, foreign aid, earmarked spending, welfare) is a miniscule part of the overall budget, and an even tinier part of future obligations.  It's like they believe that the cost of a program is directly proportional to their own sputtering outrage at that program's existence.

It's always easy to demagogue on those welfare queens and sending aid when "hard working Americans™" are out of jobs!

Most conservative politicians get deathly silent when it comes to things like social security or defense spending because they don't want to lose elderly votes and being a war hawk always plays well to certain parts of America. To be fair Democrats have also chickened out when it comes to things like the defense budget because its a votes loser. Sad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 11:58:28 PM
The other takeaway is how much more popular "aid to the poor" is than "welfare programs".

We've got a damn uninformed electorate, and practically the only reason I'm not a follower of Walter Lippmann is cause I don't trust the governing class either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 12:46:25 AM
Posting this here to try to keep it from derailing the outside link thread too badly.
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on February 28, 2010, 12:32:12 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 27, 2010, 09:03:26 PM
Privately owned companies shouldn't be punished legally for discriminating against employees and customers.


Ok, have you ever lived in an area that has its fair share of racist attitudes?  Like the South?  Have you ever stopped to think that if there are enough racist/apathetic people in an area to support a business than an essential necessary service for daily functioning could be denied to someone because of skin color?  This person should have to relocate because of someone's ignorance?

I was gonna post something, but it was sprawling pretty badly.  Luckily MCGrammar said it instead, and way more concisely.

The practical libertarian argument against anti-discrimination laws is that things would work out, as people would boycott openly racist businesses and the competition would benefit from serving, hiring, and promoting the wronged minorities.  Invisible hand!  But that doesn't work if the dominant chunk of the community is mostly racist and has all the wealth.

In that scenario, the boycott gets turned around where businesses can lose a lot of money by doing the right thing.  Besides, being systematically cut off from access to capital prevents the minority community from effectively creating their own wealth.  People won't be able to boostrap themselves up as a group under those conditions.

The irony is that if it seems plausible that anti-discrimination laws aren't needed in 2010, it's thanks to the civil rights movement that got those laws on the books in the first place.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 28, 2010, 01:07:35 AM
The poor are white, welfare programs are for blacks

I dunno why "soi-disant" gets to be in the English language.  What does it add to the perfectly good "self-styled", other than possibly providing Satoshi Kanazawa with more material?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:08:57 AM
I find that tossing in some French adds a certain I don't know what.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:11:54 AM
A certain joy of life, if you will.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:29:21 AM
Okay, there's one big problem with JD's post.

Can anyone in the classroom tell us what it is?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on February 28, 2010, 02:10:20 AM
Probably some logical fallacy that I'm unaware of.  I, however, am utterly astounded that libertarians in general disregard historical precedent in nearly every subject discussed.  We've had periods of tolerated discrimination (we kinda still do), free markets with no regulation, flat taxes, etc at various points in the USA's history. They were shitcanned for good reasons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2010, 07:04:08 AM
Also, I love how from the 40's-80's, when we had our most stable economic growth as a nation and the rich were getting taxed at like 70% never happened.  By the power of Ayn Rand's strap-on, let it be so!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 28, 2010, 07:05:47 AM
Yes, but the rich were not filthy rich and wealth was dispersed to middle-class workers. You can't run an economy like that!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 28, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 27, 2010, 11:26:46 PM
Getting this back on track:


Note that those are percentages of conservatives who want to cut those programs, not of the population at large.

This pretty well dovetails with Prole's repeated observation that most of the people demanding less spending have absolutely no clue about the composition of the federal budget.  Foreign aid is the money that falls out of Social Security's wallet and the State Department finds beneath the sofa cushions a month later.

The hobbyhorses of soi-disant deficit hawks (funding for the arts, foreign aid, earmarked spending, welfare) is a miniscule part of the overall budget, and an even tinier part of future obligations.  It's like they believe that the cost of a program is directly proportional to their own sputtering outrage at that program's existence.

I think it's pretty apparent that it shows that conservatives are for spending cuts until you start to specify programs/categories. Then support for cutting spending drops significantly.

So, it should be no surprise that minor or bloated programs receive the greatest support for cuts because they are the low-hanging fruit.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 28, 2010, 11:22:34 AM
Also, people's dislike of the money going to the dirty poors makes them wildly exagerate the actually burden placed on them.

(http://content6.clipmarks.com/blog_cache/www.borgenproject.org/img/F8606316-C747-43DC-925C-D55FF2CE16A3)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 28, 2010, 11:32:32 AM
No surprise there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 12:37:42 PM
Problem is JD goes on about a "theoretical community" as if there had been no period in our history when an ethnic group was systematically shunned by most of the private sector, and suffered deeply from it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
BLACK PEOPLE IN THE POSTBELLUM SOUTH
[close]

Talking to libertarians can be like talking to Martians who have some very strong viewpoints about how humans behave, though they haven't done any fieldwork yet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 28, 2010, 12:42:28 PM
they have a very reductivist approach to human nature, as though everything can be encoded in simple rules that stupid frustrating libtards refuse to acknowledge with their discussions of "sociology" and "anthropology" and "history"

the idea that we, as individuals, must be in a persistent state of negotiation and compromise with society seems to offend them on some deep level
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 28, 2010, 12:45:06 PM
how is it waste? you place an inordinate value on the efficiency of money in a system, as though it must operate at some mathematically effective level for government's role to be realized, and failing to focus on any/all sociological and psychological benefits that, say, foreign aid, offers to the society at large regardless of its imperfect distribution

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 12:48:42 PM
PROLE:  Look, a hundred dollar bill lying on the sidewalk!

JAYDUBYA:  Nonsense.  If there had been a hundred dollars, someone would have already taken it.  That's how the market works, you know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 28, 2010, 12:52:13 PM
mandark: clearly you are not aware of libertarian society's golden rule!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
AN' IT HARM WELL WHO THE FUCK CARES, MAXIMIZE THY RETURNS SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW
[close]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 28, 2010, 12:54:47 PM
RE: The market will solve discrimination

This would only be plausible if everyone had access to all relevant information, which wouldn't happen unless a business is being blatant ("no coloreds allowed!") or its discriminatory practices are widely publicized in the press.

Customers would have a hard time boycotting businesses because they would not know which ones were actually discriminatory, especially absent government laws and investigations. Every time a customer buys a product, he is literally dealing with dozens if not hundreds of different corporations. He couldn't possibly take the time to inform himself about each companies' hiring practices. Even if he could, he wouldn't have access to the relevant information anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:00:29 PM
Malek:  Even then you're still assuming a society where most people would boycott a business for being racist, rather than one where most people (and/or the people with most of the money) would boycott one for being colorblind.

It's really hard to imagine how an oppressed minority community bootstraps itself up to economic parity in that case, and harder to find real life examples in the past.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 28, 2010, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:00:29 PM
Malek:  Even then you're still assuming a society where most people would boycott a business for being racist, rather than one where most people (and/or the people with most of the money) would boycott one for being colorblind.

No I wasn't. I was simply saying that access to information was a necessary condition ("only be plausible if" = necessary), not a sufficient one.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
Fine, fine.

Amended to "lower information costs would only help fight discrimination if the population (or segment of it which controlled most of the wealth) were already predisposed against racism".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 28, 2010, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 28, 2010, 01:13:29 PM
So Prole, it struck me that you're basically arguing "Foreign aid makes people feel good, so why the fuck not?"

It seems like a win-win if it raises public utility while helping a foreign country!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:19:46 PM
Most of our foreign aid goes to buying off or propping up regimes that have been deemed strategically important, either to keep oil prices stable and low, or to fight Al Qaeda.  Plus half the aid is money that they're obligated to spend buying weapons from US suppliers.

Whatever you think of the policies (and the politics behind them sure aren't pretty), benefits definitely accrue to US citizens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
hahaha

JD:  If policy X is so great, how come there are no benefits?  :smug

Librul:  Well, there are tangible benefits.

JD:  Yeah, well I'm against the policy!

Librul:  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:42:44 PM
Maintaining a power equilibrium in the region to prevent energy price disruptions like the one during the Yom Kippur War.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:52:35 PM
Uh oh!  GVPT200 just got counterintuitive, and the students aren't just gonna sit down and take it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 02:30:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:19:46 PM
Whatever you think of the policies (and the politics behind them sure aren't pretty), benefits definitely accrue to US citizens.

You never listen.  It makes me sad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
Uh huh.

Excuse me, this is my stop.  *walks out of bar*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 03:44:40 PM
Jd's responses on racism were ao enlightening. I dont know why i ever gave him shit for dropping arguments he started himself.


Jd should i quote the posts in question for you so you dont have to scroll?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 28, 2010, 04:49:07 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 28, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
It's like a man facing bankruptcy donating thousands of dollars to charity each month.  It's insanity.
if .16% of what he made every month was thousands of dollars then yeah, it would be exactly like that.  not really affecting anything at all in the scheme of things but otoh, from a pragmatic pov, it makes the rest of the world hate us a lot less.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 28, 2010, 05:07:22 PM
And getting burned by am nintenho is the worst kind of ether.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on February 28, 2010, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 28, 2010, 05:26:47 PM
The percentage is relevant because why now?  Money you don't have is money you don't have.

$50,000,000,000+ is a shitton of money we don't have, and this is what we throw away every year.
What is that the cost of?

The percentage is relevant if you're actually concerned about the government taking on too much debt.  Caring about foreign aid spending really only means that you're opposed to the ideal of giving any aid at all (which makes some sense).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on February 28, 2010, 08:42:59 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 28, 2010, 01:47:25 PM


Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but that war involved two major* foreign aid recipients on opposite sides...  So.  We're encouraging two nations to not fight...

... by giving them free weapons?


I'm not so sure that Egypt was even receiving US aid in the time of the Yom Kippur war.  Considering Egypt was mostly rocking Soviet equipment and aid at that time.  Proxy wars and all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 08:45:15 PM
Sorry Boogie, it's a new page. JayDubya is officially off the hook for that one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on February 28, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2010, 09:35:43 PM
Of course spending must be cut.  We couldn't possibly go the other direction.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on February 28, 2010, 09:10:37 PM
In short: read better before getting that snarky.

Irony bomb deployed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 10:45:16 PM
Why does it require sleuthing to read what was said on the last fucking page dude? Multiple people responded to your dipshit infantile remarks about civil rights law, and you completely ignored it while making other posts within hours. How hard is this to get your head around?

Get your head around this too - the whole point I'm trying to make is that it is useless to respond to you because you will completely ignore a line of debate once you get fucked hard enough on the point. What rational actor would continue to invest time into something that will produce no returns?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 10:49:35 PM
I'll hold your hand for this one since you are the worst individualist I've ever seen on a forum.

Let's take a trip down the posts of yesteryear:

Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on February 28, 2010, 02:10:20 AM
Probably some logical fallacy that I'm unaware of.  I, however, am utterly astounded that libertarians in general disregard historical precedent in nearly every subject discussed.  We've had periods of tolerated discrimination (we kinda still do), free markets with no regulation, flat taxes, etc at various points in the USA's history. They were shitcanned for good reasons.

Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 12:37:42 PM

Problem is JD goes on about a "theoretical community" as if there had been no period in our history when an ethnic group was systematically shunned by most of the private sector, and suffered deeply from it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
BLACK PEOPLE IN THE POSTBELLUM SOUTH
[close]

Talking to libertarians can be like talking to Martians who have some very strong viewpoints about how humans behave, though they haven't done any fieldwork yet.

Quote from: Professor Prole on February 28, 2010, 12:42:28 PM
they have a very reductivist approach to human nature, as though everything can be encoded in simple rules that stupid frustrating libtards refuse to acknowledge with their discussions of "sociology" and "anthropology" and "history"

the idea that we, as individuals, must be in a persistent state of negotiation and compromise with society seems to offend them on some deep level

Quote from: Malek J. Lumberjack Jr. on February 28, 2010, 12:54:47 PM
RE: The market will solve discrimination

This would only be plausible if everyone had access to all relevant information, which wouldn't happen unless a business is being blatant ("no coloreds allowed!") or its discriminatory practices are widely publicized in the press.

Customers would have a hard time boycotting businesses because they would not know which ones were actually discriminatory, especially absent government laws and investigations. Every time a customer buys a product, he is literally dealing with dozens if not hundreds of different corporations. He couldn't possibly take the time to inform himself about each companies' hiring practices. Even if he could, he wouldn't have access to the relevant information anyway.

Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:00:29 PM

Malek:  Even then you're still assuming a society where most people would boycott a business for being racist, rather than one where most people (and/or the people with most of the money) would boycott one for being colorblind.

It's really hard to imagine how an oppressed minority community bootstraps itself up to economic parity in that case, and harder to find real life examples in the past.

Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
Fine, fine.

Amended to "lower information costs would only help fight discrimination if the population (or segment of it which controlled most of the wealth) were already predisposed against racism".

And the VERY NEXT POST:

Quote from: JayDubya on February 28, 2010, 01:13:29 PM
So Prole, it struck me that you're basically arguing "Foreign aid makes people feel good, so why the fuck not?"

durp durp edited by jaydubya



There you go, have at it.


You don't even have to thank me for the convenience, as I was merely following through with my generous offer 2 posts after yours that you ignored.

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 03:44:40 PM
Jd's responses on racism were ao enlightening. I dont know why i ever gave him shit for dropping arguments he started himself.


Jd should i quote the posts in question for you so you dont have to scroll?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on February 28, 2010, 11:01:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]uiPsWamwSnQ[/youtube]
Title: </ThisSorryChapterOfTheThread>
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 11:01:28 PM
JayDubya:politics::Green Shinobi:movies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 11:03:03 PM
I already explained, twice, that it makes no sense to spend time framing out a debate with you when you are so likely to walk away from it at a moment's notice. But since those two already spent the time, it'd be nice if you'd at least respond. The bolded parts take big shits on your 6th-grade worldview, but that's probably why even now you aren't responding. And to think, you are the one who turned a conversation about Gaborn into this debate in the first place.

And I'll explain again - I could give a shit if you respond to what was here months ago. Mentioning that was just a framing device for my asking you why anyone should bother responding to you now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on February 28, 2010, 11:03:14 PM
JD: now, correct me if I'm wrong, but ...

Boogie: actually, I think you might be wrong.

JD: NO I'M NOT!  Also, stop being so snarky and intellectually dishonest!
Title: Re: </ThisSorryChapterOfTheThread>
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 11:01:28 PM
JayDubya:politics::Green Shinobi:movies

Hey now, GreenShinobi unflinchingly responds to absolutely everything that anyone says to him. He can't be convinced of anything but at least you know he is reading your posts.

Quote from: Boogie on February 28, 2010, 11:03:14 PM
JD: now, correct me if I'm wrong, but ...

Boogie: actually, I think you might be wrong.

JD: NO I'M NOT!  Also, stop being so snarky and intellectually dishonest!

JD: Just boycott racist companies!

Others: here are several reasons why that doesn't work

JD: That doesn't say anything!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
JD:  You can't stop two countries from going to war by giving them weapons!

Boogie:  In this particular case, the US actually did just that.  Now that's a simplification and of course historical context is important, as up to this point...

JD:  But it doesn't work like that!

Boogie:  But it did.  You see...

JD:  But it can't!

Boogie:  ...but it did.

JD:  I don't think you understand.  It can't!

ad nauseum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 11:18:51 PM
maybe if we boycott him he will become a liberal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 11:29:48 PM
Hey, it's worked for 31 years, while in the 31 years previous the two countries fought against each other in three wars.  It may seem backwards to you, but I give more weight to the historical record than to your intuition.

Nothing personal, mind.
Title: Re: </ThisSorryChapterOfTheThread>
Post by: Green Shinobi on February 28, 2010, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Hey now, GreenShinobi unflinchingly responds to absolutely everything that anyone says to him. He can't be convinced of anything but at least you know he is reading your posts.

Hey now! In just the past two weeks, Mandark convinced me that I had been operating with an incorrect or incomplete definition of the word "melodrama," which led to me spending a few hours reading articles by film critics about melodrama and really improving my knowledge of the subject. I am perfectly willing to admit when I am wrong about something and take steps to rectify that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2010, 11:38:09 PM
I don't want to jinx it, but GS really has been making strides and is an early frontrunner for the Jinfash Memorial Most Improved Poster Award 2010, provided he keeps it up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on February 28, 2010, 11:41:13 PM
JayDubya doesn't see results.  He see moral atrocities that have no right to occur.  Therefore, they should not have occured.  Therefore they did not occur.

Am I parsing it correctly?

edit: It's like arguing with a crazy person that the shadow people aren't in his house, except you're arguing with the crazy guy who can't see his own children or something that is most certainly tangible!

edit2: Seriously JayDub, I get the sense that you're so tied up in "rights" and "morale" that you forget that the world is perfectly capable of operating outside of these abstracts and -IN FACT- does so while maintaining a nice equilibrium.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on March 01, 2010, 12:35:07 AM
Mandark: exactly. More concise than what my next response would have been too, which would have been a pain in the ass since all my posting is being done from my iPhone, so thanks. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 01, 2010, 12:42:43 AM
Egypt was rocking T-55s and shit back in the Yom Kippur War, right?

Anyway, it makes sense that providing weapons to both sides would reduce the likelihood of armed conflict. The better-equipped each side is, the less of a target they are. Neither side wants to risk the high number of casualties that an all-out war would involve.
Title: Re: </ThisSorryChapterOfTheThread>
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 01, 2010, 08:17:57 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 28, 2010, 11:35:44 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 28, 2010, 11:04:51 PM
Hey now, GreenShinobi unflinchingly responds to absolutely everything that anyone says to him. He can't be convinced of anything but at least you know he is reading your posts.

Hey now! In just the past two weeks, Mandark convinced me that I had been operating with an incorrect or incomplete definition of the word "melodrama," which led to me spending a few hours reading articles by film critics about melodrama and really improving my knowledge of the subject. I am perfectly willing to admit when I am wrong about something and take steps to rectify that.

My bad dawg.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2010, 12:37:30 PM
Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The filibuster -- tool of obstruction in the U.S. Senate -- is alternately blamed and praised for wilting President Barack Obama's ambitious agenda. Some even say it's made the nation ungovernable.

Maybe, maybe not. Obama's term still has three years to run.

More certain, however: Opposition Republicans are using the delaying tactic at a record-setting pace.

''The numbers are astonishing in this Congress,'' says Jim Riddlesperger, political science professor at Texas Christian University in Fort Worth.

The filibuster, using seemingly endless debate to block legislative action, has become entrenched like a dandelion tap root in the midst of the shrill partisanship gripping Washington.

But the filibuster is nothing new. Its use dates to the mists of Senate history, but until the civil rights era, it was rarely used.

A tactic unique to the Senate, the filibuster means a simple majority guarantees nothing when it comes to passing laws.

''The rules of the Senate are designed to give muscle to the minority,'' said Senate historian Donald Ritchie.

With the Senate now made up of 100 members, two for each of the 50 states, an opposition filibuster can only be broken with 60 votes -- a three-fifths majority.

As a matter of political philosophy, the concept of the filibuster arises from a deep-seated, historic concern among Americans that the minority not be steamrolled by the majority.

It is a brake and protective device rooted in the same U.S. political sensibility that gave each state two senators regardless of population.

The same impulse gave Americans the Electoral College in presidential contests -- a structure from earliest U.S. history designed to give smaller population states greater influence in choosing the nation's leader.

Given recent use of the filibuster by minority Republicans and the party's success in snarling the legislative process in this Congress, Democrats say the minority has gone way beyond just protecting its interests.

The frequency of filibusters -- plus threats to use them -- are measured by the number of times the upper chamber votes on cloture. Such votes test the majority's ability to hold together 60 members to break a filibuster.

Last year, the first of the 111th Congress, there were a record 112 cloture votes. In the first two months of 2010, the number already exceeds 40.

That means, with 10 months left to run in the 111th Congress, Republicans have turned to the filibuster or threatened its use at a pace that will more than triple the old record. The 104th Congress in 1995-96 -- when Republicans held a 53-47 majority -- required 50 cloture votes.

During most of Obama's first year in office and for a few weeks this year, 58 Democratic senators and two Independents who normally vote with them held a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the Senate.

That vanished last month when Massachusetts Republican Scott Brown captured the seat of the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, who died last summer.

Most notably, Brown's victory has stymied Obama's push to overhaul health care just as the bill was approaching the finish line. Before Brown's election, both the Senate and the House of Representatives had passed separate versions of the reform legislation.

Brown broke the Democratic 60-seat majority before the two chambers could meld differences in their bills for a final vote in both houses.

However, one of Brown's first votes after taking office saw him joining four other Republicans to help Democrats break a threatened filibuster by his party's leaders against a job bill.

The measure, $13 billion in tax incentives for businesses to hire unemployed workers, was quickly passed the next day with 12 Republicans joining Brown and 55 Democrats in favor of it.

Filibusters to make the Obama administration and Democrats in Congress look inept are one thing. Quite another is a vote against creating jobs in an economy with nearly 10 percent unemployment and midterm elections nine months away.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/01/us/politics/AP-US-Filibuster-Gone-Awry-Analysis.html?_r=3&ref=aponline
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2010, 06:20:05 PM
Evan Bayh, the very model of a Principled, Moderate Deficit-Hawk, wants to block student loan reform (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/02/19/evan-bayh-wants-his-lasting-achievement-to-be-stifling-student-loan-reform.aspx).  The current system gives billions of dollars annually to banks so they can act as middlemen in transactions between the government and students, and Bayh is worried cause a lot of those middlemen are in his home state.

I look forward to his next op-ed on why it's so hard to get things done in the Senate.



edit:  Speaking of DLC golden boys, looks like New York won't have Harold Ford to kick around anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 01, 2010, 10:00:47 PM
Quote
Washington, D.C. - Congressman Ron Paul has continued to run his Congressional office in a frugal manner, and was able to return more than $100,000 from his allotted office budget to the Treasury this year, an increase over the $90,000 returned last year.

“Since my first year in Congress representing the 14th district I have managed my office in a frugal manner, instructing staff to provide the greatest possible service to the people of the 14th district at the least possible cost to taxpayers,” said Paul.


Ron Paul is using slave labor! :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2010, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2010, 06:20:05 PM
edit:  Speaking of DLC golden boys, looks like New York won't have Harold Ford to kick around anymore.

That whole thing was bizarre and he's becoming a bit of a joke. I'm surprised he hasn't simply moved over to the media where it seems like he would have a brighter future there than as a full time politician
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2010, 04:23:02 AM
Damn, I'm bummed Ford isn't going to run. That would have been such an entertaining, satisfying trainwreck.
[youtube=560,345]EvWCjMmR2VI[/youtube]
annihilated

is this what a corporation sounds like, Jay Dubya? I don't know any
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
It's hard to remember when Ford was the Max Cleland of the 2006 election cycle:  a Democrat who wasn't that far to the left but got a lot of sympathy from liberals thanks to his opponent's ad campaign.  He just proved to be amazingly tone deaf.  I can't remember the last candidate who was meant to be taken seriously yet had such consistently awful instincts.

Oh well.  We've still got Newt to make fun of.  In this week's episode, he tells people how Camus and George Orwell, socialists, warned of the dangers of socialism (read: the current health care bill) in their works: 1 (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/03/08/100308taco_talk_hertzberg) 2 (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/03/08/100308taco_talk_hertzberg) 3 (http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/03/george-orwell-was-a-socialist.php)

To quote Nick Cohen, "No novelist with any talent just deals with political themes, and readers who scour their books for ideological clues have the souls of secret policemen."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 02, 2010, 11:57:38 AM
i guess Newt may not be familiar, or rather is betting his readers are not familiar with Tribune.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
Considering he was at a conference that featured Glenn Beck as keynote speaker, that's probably a safe assumption.

Anyway "government health care will lead inevitably to a totalitarian nightmare!" is some of the oldest FUD out there.

[youtube=560,345]6FzNTB1qtFA[/youtube]


Of course he was talking about the potential evils of passing Medicare, which the current group of anti-government activists want to protect.

Quote from: Newt Gingrich
There is no question that Medicare is on an unsustainable course; the government has promised far more than it can deliver. But this problem will not be solved by cutting Medicare in order to create new unfunded liabilities for young people.

Thanks for that insight, Newt!  And yeah, my memory really does get fuzzy after about fifteen years.  Why do you ask?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 02, 2010, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 11:50:27 AM
It's hard to remember when Ford was the Max Cleland of the 2006 election cycle:  a Democrat who wasn't that far to the left but got a lot of sympathy from liberals thanks to his opponent's ad campaign.  He just proved to be amazingly tone deaf.  I can't remember the last candidate who was meant to be taken seriously yet had such consistently awful instincts.

I never faulted him for being a conservative dem from Tennessee. I think a person's politics are as much about core beliefs as whom they represent. What doesn't make sense is for him to be in NY still acting like he is a dem from Tennessee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 01:38:52 PM
Obama caught lip-syncing speech (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_caught_lip_syncing_speech) :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2010, 03:38:32 PM
Jim Bunning is such a piece of shit. Not only that, but his republican butt buddies are actually coming to his defense. I don't know how anyone that's not a millionaire can side with these assholes.

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 01:38:52 PM
Obama caught lip-syncing speech (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_caught_lip_syncing_speech) :lol

:lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 03:40:43 PM
An interesting blog post on hospital costs (http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2010/02/massachusetts-problem-and-marylands-solution-we-dont-have-to-wait-for-washington-part-2-.html).

The upshot:

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4117/95972561.gif)


Maryland has done this by strictly regulating the hospitals, not allowing them to charge patients different rates for the same procedures, and establishing a commission to set rates.  Hospitals in the state have made steady profits since the commission's inception.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 03:49:36 PM
So the state where a bunch of politicians live has steady hospital costs? Outstanding!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2010, 04:21:46 PM
But just making STEADY profits is not enough!  They must have the FREEDOM to make OUTRAGEOUS profits, or the socialists win!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 02, 2010, 10:24:31 PM
Mandark is right, we should return more power back to the states. Look how efficient they can be.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2010, 10:43:46 PM
gotta love Drudge's front page
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(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20100302/capt.photo_1267460238841-1-0.jpg?x=400&y=270&q=85&sig=zW7cbRNuX4I6MBHN8FONpA--)
OBAMA TO TRIGGER NUKE OPTION ON HEALTHCARE
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 11:14:57 PM
Well, MY state is efficient.  "The states" as a whole would be represented by that runaway orange line.  Plus it's not like you'd have to give them more power to make them do things that they could do now if they wanted.

But seriously, what's with the fetish for state authority?  Why not county or municipality or region?  Who died and made the state the one natural, pure unit of governmental authority?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 02, 2010, 11:36:25 PM
So, basically, what I think you're saying is... we should let Maryland be in charge of everything?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2010, 12:10:20 AM
I'd totally be on board with that, except I've lived here long enough to see the caliber of our politicians.  Glendenning, Townsend, Ehrlich, Steele.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on March 03, 2010, 12:35:14 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 11:14:57 PM

But seriously, what's with the fetish for state authority?  Why not county or municipality or region?  Who died and made the state the one natural, pure unit of governmental authority?

one of the enduring mysteries for foreign observors of the USA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 03, 2010, 01:21:34 AM
It's not a difficult concept to grasp, states are great incubators for ideas and new programs. Small enough to be held accountable, yet big enough to wield enough power/money to effect the greatest change when needed. Any programs or services can also be tailored to the populace and if they fail, it minimizes the damage to the people as a whole. If my state is a cesspool like Louisiana, I can move my family to another state with a government that serves us better. Much easier to move intra-state than out of the country.

It's just a silly pipe dream, but I would love to have my taxes flipped. Most to the state, more to the city/twnshp and little to the federal government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2010, 01:39:05 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 03, 2010, 01:21:34 AM
states are great incubators for ideas and new programs.

The laboratories of democracy (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=states+laboratories+of+democracy&aq=0&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=states+labor&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8), if you will.

But the point of testing out new and innovative policies is to replicate them if they work, not just to experiment for the sake of experimentation.  For all the center-right commentators who say we should let programs be tested on a small scale before going national, it gets real quiet once those programs have proven effective and can be made into federal policy.

The current health care bill prominently features funding for local pilot programs (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/12/14/091214fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all), with an eye towards incorporating the successful ones on a larger scale later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 03, 2010, 01:47:03 AM
Amazon sales tax in NY. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 03, 2010, 02:25:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 02, 2010, 11:14:57 PM
But seriously, what's with the fetish for state authority?  Why not county or municipality or region?  Who died and made the state the one natural, pure unit of governmental authority?

Reminded me of a conversation with the lesser tolerant of my two roommates.



*walks into his room*
*notices confederate flag hanging over the door*
Me: Uh...nice flag.
Him: Yeah, innit?
Me: And here I thought you were joking when you said you hated the negroes.
Him: What, you think this has anything to do with race?
Me: Well, I sorta thought that's what it's usually assoc..
Him: Well, it doesn't! The confederate flag symbolizes states' rights. THAT'S why I got one!
Me: I see.  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2010, 03:40:44 AM
states rights to treat negroes like shit :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 03, 2010, 03:54:53 AM
Related video on The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/gaffe_prone_biden_embarrasses (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/gaffe_prone_biden_embarrasses)

 :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 03, 2010, 04:13:42 AM
"let's hang him!"

 :lol still wish he became president.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pilonv1 on March 03, 2010, 04:19:46 AM
[youtube=560,340]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbaB_5SNc6g[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 03, 2010, 03:34:44 PM
This is awesome:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79pvVpN7-9s[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 03, 2010, 03:38:52 PM
Too bad Dan Akroyd is so fat, but still :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
:lol @ Carrey-Reagan and his pendulous balls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
Fantastic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 03, 2010, 06:50:18 PM
I can watch Dana Carvey do Bush Sr. all day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 03, 2010, 07:26:00 PM
I really didn't find it funny at all. Carrey was the best, but even then...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2010, 11:15:37 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 03, 2010, 06:50:18 PM
I can watch Dana Carvey do Bush Sr. all day.

Ditto.  Same with Ferrell and Dubya.  "Somebody open up a bag of Malaise potato chips."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 03, 2010, 11:32:52 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 03, 2010, 07:26:00 PM
I really didn't find it funny at all. Carrey was the best, but even then...

I liked when Bush Sr. called Obama "Babar".

*SHRUG*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 04, 2010, 12:16:57 AM
I didn't think it was funny either.  And it took me a while to figure out who Dan Aykroyd was supposed to be since Carter's so skinny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 04, 2010, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on March 04, 2010, 12:16:57 AM
I didn't think it was funny either.  And it took me a while to figure out who Dan Aykroyd was supposed to be since Carter's so skinny.

I thought he was supposed to be Ford. But then I realized he's dead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2010, 12:52:01 AM
It's kinda like a bunch of old rock stars doing a quick medley of their biggest hits for an awards show.  Not a great skit, but if you've got fond memories of the original bits then you'll get a kick out of it.

Obama's basically impossible to do well for these things, isn't he?  Maybe it's just Armisen, but I haven't heard anyone do a good Obama yet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2010, 01:04:30 AM
Armisen does a terrible Obama. I thought that one guy black guy from Mad T.V. did a pretty decent job. At the very least it wasn't as horrible as Armisen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2010, 01:05:02 AM
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3029/picture22uu.png)

From an RNC finance leadership presentation (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html).

I know there's a gulf between what politicians think of their constituents and what they say in public, but you don't get to see stuff like this every day.  Use fear to get money out of your reactionary base, while rewarding the big donors with access.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 04, 2010, 02:11:39 AM
Is the implication supposed to be that the heart in the middle represents the "real" Republicans, while the two groups to the left and right are fellow-travelers/useful idiots, whatever?  I'm not sure I quite get it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2010, 02:25:04 AM
Maybe it's like a Venn diagram, where the center are the (admirable) attributes both groups share?

Is there an authoritative Powerpoint style guide?  Cause I want to know about the usage of heart shapes in flow charts.  Or whatever this is (triangle graph?).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 04, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
[youtube=560,345]YeSd-TwsvA0[/youtube]

Oh my, how surprising!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2010, 11:32:03 AM
i am shocked by this revelation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2010, 12:44:01 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXG93y_utTs[/youtube]

Now I want my own War Wagon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2010, 02:22:16 PM
What got into David Broder? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/03/AR2010030301776.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

This is literally the first good column I've ever read of his.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2010, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2010, 02:22:16 PM
What got into David Broder? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/03/AR2010030301776.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

This is literally the first good column I've ever read of his.

broken clock, right time, twice a day, etc etc

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was shocked as well.  I had to scroll back up and make sure that I actually just read a David Broder column, myself.  I wonder- does this mean that the rest of his columns bemoaning the lack of bipartisanship can now be ignored under his own maxim?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2010, 10:42:09 PM
Quite a turnaround considering his amazingly inept Palin article.



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Front page of Drudge:

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 05, 2010, 02:33:59 AM
Turns out the senator wasn't at the gay club. The owner said it was Latin night and an old white dude would have stuck out like a sore thumb.

In BETTER news...

Remember Leno and Palin? That audience reaction was faked. Link is dead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2010, 04:51:55 PM
You know, I always wondered, how do REAL nazis feel about the teabaggers constantly referring to Obama as a nazi?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2010, 05:30:07 PM
does Obama get to sit in the front or back of the Nazi bus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 05, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
Quote
@sportsguy33 Keith Olbermann, please know the feeling is mutual. You're my worst case scenario for my career in 12 yrs: a pious, unlikable blowhard who lives alone. about 4 hours ago


@sportsguy33 I feel bad about saying Olbermann lives alone. I forgot about his cats. about 3 hours ago




 :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2010, 11:56:45 PM
Bill Simmons vs. Keith Olbermann?  That's quite the clash of the titans.  Sure we can't get Tim Rogers in there somehow?

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 04, 2010, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 04, 2010, 02:22:16 PM
What got into David Broder? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/03/AR2010030301776.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

This is literally the first good column I've ever read of his.

broken clock, right time, twice a day, etc etc

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was shocked as well.  I had to scroll back up and make sure that I actually just read a David Broder column, myself.  I wonder- does this mean that the rest of his columns bemoaning the lack of bipartisanship can now be ignored under his own maxim?
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With Broder's background, this is exactly the kind of piece he should be writing.  He's got no real knowledge of public policy, but he's spent a lifetime in the Washington media watching politicians and reporters jockey for an advantage.

He ought to be explaining DC to the people, rather than aping TA's boy David Brooks and explaining the people to DC, which was the purpose of his Palin column.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2010, 01:27:10 AM
Olbermann vs Bill Simmons on a battle of douchebags? Hmmm...well Simmons is tolerable with the NFL season over and the Celtics struggling. Olbermann is never tolerable
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 06, 2010, 01:33:35 AM
Olbermann is obnoxious, but I hate Bill Simmons with the fire of a thousands suns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2010, 02:21:05 AM
Yeah, Simmons is pretty much worthless, and Olbermann while obnoxious is at least technically right about some things.  Plus with his dad dying he's actually been kinda sympathetic the couple times I've caught him in the past month or so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2010, 02:21:12 AM
Simmons has his moments though. Some of his stuff is hilarious, and like I said he's kinda harmless during this time of the year. Olbermann is full blown aids every day
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2010, 02:27:54 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2010, 02:21:12 AM
Simmons has his moments though. Some of his stuff is hilarious, and like I said he's kinda harmless during this time of the year. Olbermann is full blown aids every day

Incorrect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2010, 05:48:58 AM
Dunno who this Bill Simmons guy is, but Olbermann gets too much of a bad wrap. He may be a blowhard, but at least he has the decency to speak to his audience like they were adults. Plus, his jabs at Palin are pretty amusing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 06, 2010, 10:46:35 AM
Bill Simmons has never had any moments. Bill Simmons sucks, and any attempt to say otherwise will be met with a swift kick in the balls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2010, 01:23:05 PM
his rankings of nba players (like the worst to best list) are pretty hilarious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2010, 09:18:26 PM
Well, I will say one thing in Simmons' defense- he was totally right about the Greg Oden/Kevin Durant argument.  Oden pretty much sucks it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2010, 09:36:33 PM
Yea, what type of distinguished mentally-challenged fellow thought Oden would be a star and Durant a bust

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2010, 11:28:08 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2010/03/palin-parody-writer-nbc-added.html

So Leno's audience actually DID love Palin?  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 06, 2010, 11:50:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2010, 01:23:05 PM
his rankings of nba players (like the worst to best list) are pretty hilarious

QFT. As long as he's not talking about Boston, Lebron or the Lakers, he can be a pretty good NBA writer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
Perfect Storm Nearly Killed Health Reform; Another Storm May Save It (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/perfect-storm-nearly-killed-health-reform-another-storm-may-save-it/37009)

Bad habits of political journalists:  assigning way to much importance to events, so they can weave a more dramatic narrative filled with victories and setbacks and shocking reversals.  It was especially bad during the campaign (game changer!  Joe the Plumber!), but it never goes away.

Ambinder's piece is an okay timeline of what's happened, but he gives a lot of weight to things that probably didn't shift a single vote in the House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2010, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
Perfect Storm Nearly Killed Health Reform; Another Storm May Save It (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/perfect-storm-nearly-killed-health-reform-another-storm-may-save-it/37009)

Bad habits of political journalists:  assigning way to much importance to events, so they can weave a more dramatic narrative filled with victories and setbacks and shocking reversals.  It was especially bad during the campaign (game changer!  Joe the Plumber!), but it never goes away.

Ambinder's piece is an okay timeline of what's happened, but he gives a lot of weight to things that probably didn't shift a single vote in the House.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2010, 03:27:15 PM
The Joe the Plumber fiasco has gotta be one of the dumbest things to ever happen in a presidential election. We may roll our eyes at news broadcaster reading people's twitters on air, but Joe was the peak of user-based news content. Thank god it's been all downhill since then.

I doubt Obama was ever going to say "hey dudes, I spent a year on this but oh well, maybe next time." It wouldn't be hard to argue Scott Brown winning was one of the best thing to happen for health care, considering it put reconciliation at the front of the table, and should produce a better bill than a considerably watered down conference bill would have produced.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2010, 04:37:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 07, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
Perfect Storm Nearly Killed Health Reform; Another Storm May Save It (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/perfect-storm-nearly-killed-health-reform-another-storm-may-save-it/37009)

Bad habits of political journalists:  assigning way to much importance to events, so they can weave a more dramatic narrative filled with victories and setbacks and shocking reversals.  It was especially bad during the campaign (game changer!  Joe the Plumber!), but it never goes away.

Ambinder's piece is an okay timeline of what's happened, but he gives a lot of weight to things that probably didn't shift a single vote in the House.

I call it the "POLITICO-ization" of journalism.  Actually, I should probably call it the "Cheebsification" of political journalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2010, 04:50:27 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 07, 2010, 02:06:17 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s[/youtube]

I was so disappointed they stopped those after the election. Even if it was only a once a month thing, I would haved loved to have seen those continued. And huffington post shouldn't have dropped the comedy portion of their site. It was hit or miss mostly but it was worth sustaining.


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaXswEtFZ-k[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P95eA5ILzb8&feature=related[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 07, 2010, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2010, 04:50:27 PM
I was so disappointed they stopped those after the election. Even if it was only a once a month thing, I would haved loved to have seen those continued. And huffington post shouldn't have dropped the comedy portion of their site. It was hit or miss mostly but it was worth sustaining.

Yeah, like two weeks after I added 23/6 to Google Reader, they killed it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2010, 01:03:01 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 07, 2010, 04:37:44 PM
I call it the "POLITICO-ization" of journalism.  Actually, I should probably call it the "Cheebsification" of political journalism.

Bingo.

It's always been a problem (see this old NYT profile of David Gergen (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/31/magazine/david-gergen-master-of-the-game.html?pagewanted=1)), but it does seem to have ramped up recently.

Politico has figured out that they can get a consistent number of hits by sensationalizing their headlines, keeping a steady stream of easily digestible non-content content (lists!), and focusing on trivial and personal issues.  The result is a readership that feels like they're privileged insiders, like Manabyte with AICN.

The worst part is they're maybe the only group to figure out how to keep a revenue stream going from online political reporting.  They're getting rewarded for almost all the stuff I think is wrong with the business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2010, 04:45:05 PM
Oh, lawl. Palin was for death panels before she was against them:

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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- who has gone to great lengths to hype the supposed dangers of a big government takeover of American health care -- admitted over the weekend that she used to get her treatment in Canada's single-payer system.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," Palin said in her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska. "And I think now, isn't that ironic?"

The irony, one guesses, is that Palin now views Canada's health care system as revolting: with its government-run administration and 'death-panel'-like rationing. Clearly, however, she and her family once found it more alluring than, at the very least, the coverage available in rural Alaska. Up to the age of six, Palin lived in a remote town near the closest Canadian city, Whitehorse.

Officials at several hospitals in that area declined to give out information on patient visits.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/08/palin-crossed-border-for_n_490080.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2010, 11:55:07 PM
For policy and some political commentary:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/

For politics/news/some policy:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

For policy and a good laugh at Washington sports fans:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 09, 2010, 01:55:53 AM
I bought Simmons' first book.  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2010, 03:39:23 PM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003090035

 :lol :lol

 :-\ :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 09, 2010, 09:20:29 PM
Biden owned.

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Israel Embarrasses Vice President Biden, Sparks Rebuke From U.S.

This appears to be the diplomatic equivalent of an ambush. Vice President Biden, on a visit to Israel, spent the day talking up the close relationship between Israel and the United States.

"Progress occurs in the Middle East when everyone knows there is simply no space between the United States and Israel," Biden said. "The United States will always stand with those who take risks for peace," Biden said, telling [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu, "you're prepared to do that."

Then Israel, playing not-quite gracious host, announced the construction of 1,600 new homes for Jews in the disputed territories of East Jerusalem, a move that kicks sand in the face of Obama Administration requests to stop such settlement expansion. The press pool following Biden reports that the Vice President showed up 90 minutes late for dinner with Netanyahu, and that reporters were wondering if he would show up at all.

In the briefing room, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the timing of the announcement was not helpful. Biden, who has not taken questions from the press today, then put out his own statement:

I condemn the decision by the government of Israel to advance planning for new housing units in East Jerusalem. The substance and timing of the announcement, particularly with the launching of proximity talks, is precisely the kind of step that undermines the trust we need right now and runs counter to the constructive discussions that I've had here in Israel. We must build an atmosphere to support negotiations, not complicate them. This announcement underscores the need to get negotiations under way that can resolve all the outstanding issues of the conflict.

Netanyahu is sleazy as hell, I've thought that for years.  I remember back during 9/11, not two days after the attack, Netanyahu was on Fox News proclaiming this showed the savagery of Muslim extremists and the US had no choice but to launch attacks on Iran, Iraq, etc.



Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/03/09/israel-embarrasses-vice-president-biden-sparks-rebuke-from-u-s/?xid=rss-topstories-cnnpartner#ixzz0hjiwtixX
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2010, 09:24:15 PM
Wow, Biden got hosed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2010, 09:34:32 PM
Why do I imagine a cloaked Leiberman in the background rubbing his hands together and laughing?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2010, 09:37:21 PM
Because you're an anti-Semite!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 09, 2010, 09:38:28 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2010, 09:55:00 PM
No, Biden and Lieberman have often sparred on matters over Isreal. Or rather, Lieberman and the entire Democratic party.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/22/opinion/democrats-vs-israel.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 09, 2010, 09:56:27 PM
Netanyahu is sleaze, Lieberman is sleaze.
Title: Where have you gone, Yitzhak Rabin?
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2010, 10:41:03 PM
They say Netanyahu lost his seat as prime minister the first time in large part because he wouldn't play nice with the Clinton administration, and the Israeli PM can't afford to be on the outs with the US.

That may have changed, though.  Israeli politics has moved enough to the right that all the major parties are where Likud was in the 90's, and there's more pressure inside the US for politicians to be "supportive" of Israel.

It's a depressing state of affairs.  Netanyahu basically wants to grind down the Palestinians until they don't aspire to independence anymore, and it seems like the bulk of Israeli public opinion is with him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2010, 10:42:14 PM
As long as the Likudniks are running Israel, shit is just FUCKED over there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2010, 10:52:46 PM
I can't even have that discussion with my grandparents, who view every criticism of Israel as a crime on par with the Holocaust. I understand that they are just a generation removed from the genocide of much of their extended family, but I can't get behind the sentiment that such atrocities gives Israel carte blanche in terms of handling their neighbors.

I'm supportive of the state up to a point: I think Israel has the right to defend its citizens and that is almost unheard of to secede land that was definitively won (and occupied) during war. That said, you can't condemn the PLO and Hamas when you knowingly provoke such organizations. Disproportionate retaliation is equally unproductive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2010, 10:58:05 PM
There was a whole big internets brouhaha recently re: Andrew Sullivan supposedly being an anti-semite because he thought the Gaza war was shitty.  Even if you edited The New Republic for five years, criticizing Israel's policies is apparently tantamount to anti-semitism.  Good to know!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 09, 2010, 10:42:14 PM
As long as the Likudniks are running Israel, shit is just FUCKED over there.
That's the thing.  What we'd call "Likudnik" ten years ago is now the consensus opinion, including the center-left.

Plus internal US politics make it a lot harder to exert influence.  George Bush I was apparently unafraid to tell Israel what the deal was, but AIPAC et al have made huge inroads since then.

That Safire column TA posted is tragicomic.  He uses scare quotes for "disengaged" when disengagement was the Bush administration's explicit policy towards the Palestine issue.  If people miss the old guard of conservative commentators like him and Buckley, it's only because Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are breaking all the theoretical limits to buffoonery.



Personally on Israel, I'd co-sign on to this (http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/10/briefly-on-pro-israel-point.html):

Quote from: Robert Farley
I agree with Ackerman and Yglesias that defining "pro-Israel" on the basis of belief in a particular narrative of national foundation is ridiculous and absurd. In addition to being practically nonsensical, such a metric would serve to throw a blanket on genuine historical scholarship of Zionism, the development of the Jewish population within mandate Palestine, and the early Arab-Israeli wars. Although I count myself as a patriotic American, I have few illusions about the validity or accuracy of the mythical narrative of the founding of the United States.

At the same time, I find myself pretty comfortably within the "pro-two state, pro-Israel" faction. The case against the two state solution rests, as far as I can tell, on two arguments. The first is that the creation of Israel represents a historic crime against the Palestinian people, and that this crime should be rectified. The second is that a cosmopolitan, democratic single state covering the territory of Israel/Palestine is possible, and is both ideologically and practically preferable to the division of the area into two states.

Regarding the first argument, I can only say: Meh. The founding of Israel involved brutality, theft, appropriation of land, ethnic cleansing, and murder. It also involved heroism, selflessness, generosity, hard work, and sense of historic destiny. Furthermore, the narrative that developed within Israel regarding the founding emphasizes the second set of traits at the expense of the first. These two facts distinguish Israel from approximately zero nation-states in the international system. Statebuilding and consolidation is brutal, murderous work; every major modern nation-state has bloody hands, and every modern nation-state has developed a narrative that de-emphasizes the brutality of its founding. The historic crime of Israel's founding, such that it was, is different only in that it was more recent than the crimes associated with the development of Russia, Japan, France, the United States, and so forth. The crimes serve to "delegitimate" Israel only in the sense that such crimes delegitimate the project of the modern nation-state. There's some value to that, but there's little reason to make Israel the focus of such an effort.

Regarding the second, every democracy includes groups of people who are likely to disagree with each other about how the state should be constituted. I think it's fair to say, however, that some groups of people may, as a practical matter, have views regarding the nature of the body politic that are so divergent that there is little point in including them under the same state. I think that Israelis and Palestinians represent, collectively, an example of this; the institutions of a prospective Israeli-Palestinian state seem unlikely to me to function in a very democratic or effective manner. Another way to put this is that I trust neither Israelis nor Palestinians to live in a state with the other; I trust neither to sufficiently respect the rights of the other to make democratic life enjoyable, or even possible.

And so, in this sense, I'm strongly pro-Israel. I think that the achievement of a two-state solution is both possible (although perhaps not forever) and desireable, and that both the Israelis and the Palestinians will benefit from such a separation. Moreover, within this context, I strongly support policies that increase the security and prosperity of both states. I also strongly oppose policies that make the development of two states more difficult; Israeli settlement activity is among the most important of these policies, as is the quasi-eliminationist rhetorical stance adopted by Hamas. Such a settlement would, in some sense, validate the historic crime of Israel's founding, but for me that objection carries very little weight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2010, 01:31:39 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2010, 10:52:46 PM
I can't even have that discussion with my grandparents, who view every criticism of Israel as a crime on par with the Holocaust. I understand that they are just a generation removed from the genocide of much of their extended family, but I can't get behind the sentiment that such atrocities gives Israel carte blanche in terms of handling their neighbors.

Sort of like how my grandparents won't let anyone make negative comments about Michael Jackson
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 10, 2010, 10:06:15 AM
My Constituents Care Way More About Political Gamesmanship Than Jobs, Health Care, And The Economy (http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/my_constituents_care_way_more)
By House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
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Trust me: If you talk to an unemployed, uninsured mother of two in Greenville, she'll tell you that jobs and reliable medical coverage come a distant second to the crafting of meticulous talking points that deftly omit the facts and reduce what should be honest discourse about our country's future to a series of contrived, easy-to-digest sound bites designed to sway crucial independent voters.
The Onion has just been killing it lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 10, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
I saw this on gaf and had to  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ryanplan-1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2010, 02:20:37 PM
dirty poors don't create jobs :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 10, 2010, 02:47:20 PM
The top 10% are good at creating jobs..................................... in China. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 10, 2010, 03:54:26 PM
raises taxes on the poor and middle class, cuts taxes for the rich, AND takes in a shitload less money.

even W. was better at spinning his bad ideas.  I mean, "Across the board tax cut" sounds good, doesn't it?  Fair and such.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2010, 03:59:08 PM
I find myself kinda wishing republicans controlled things just so people could see how ridiculous this is. but then I remember people got 16 years of it under Reagan n Bush, and apparently still don't "get it"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 15, 2010, 08:06:36 PM
Reason #34335 why Alan Grayson is awesome:

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Subject: Palin Attacks Grayson; Grayson Applies Calamine Lotion to the Resulting Reddish Skin

On Friday night, Sarah Palin came to Orlando, and attacked Rep. Alan Grayson. This is what she said:

"I got to meet quite a few candidates who are lining up in a contested primary who want to take out Alan Grayson. And I think Alan Grayson -- what can you say about Alan Grayson? Piper is with me tonight, so I won't say anything about Alan Grayson that can't be said around children. [Good one, Sarah!] But thank you, Florida, for allowing candidates in a contested primary to duke it out over ideas and principles and values, all with the same goal, and that is unseating those who have such a disconnect from the people of America. That's what the goal is here in this race against Alan Grayson. Please fight hard, and do this for the rest of the country. Fight hard, and send a conservative to Washington, DC."

Palin, the former half-term Governor, current-nothing and future-even-less, charmed the all-Republican audience with her folksy folksiness and her homespun homespunnery. Atypically, Palin was wearing clothes that she had paid for herself. At the end of the event, she shared her recipe for mooseface pie.
In response to Palin's attack on Rep Grayson, Grayson actually complimented Palin. Grayson praised Palin for having a hand large enough to fit Grayson's entire name on it. He thanked Palin for alleviating the growing shortage of platitudes in Central Florida.

Grayson added that Palin deserved credit for getting through the entire hour-long program without quitting. Grayson also said that Palin really had mastered Palin's imitation of Tina Fey imitating Palin. Grayson observed that Palin is the most-intelligent leader that the Republican Party has produced since George W. Bush.

When asked to comment about what effect Palin's criticism might have, Grayson pointed out, "As the Knave's horse says in Alice in Wonderland, 'dogs will believe anything.'" Earlier, as the Orlando Sentinel reported, Grayson said, "I'm sure Palin knows all about politics in Central Florida, since from her porch she can see Winter Park," which is part of Grayson's district.

Grayson said that the Alaskan chillbilly was welcome to return to Central Florida anytime, as long as she brings lots of money with her, and spends it. "I look forward to an honest debate with Governor Palin on the issues, in the unlikely event that she ever learns anything about them," Grayson added, alluding to Politifact's "liar, liar, pants on fire" evaluation of much of what Palin has said.

Scientists are studying Sarah Palin's travel between Alaska and Florida carefully. They hope to learn more about the flight patterns of that elusive migratory species, the wild Alaskan dingbat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 16, 2010, 11:21:46 AM
 :lol That's hilarious, what is it from?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2010, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: Yeti on March 16, 2010, 11:21:46 AM
:lol That's hilarious, what is it from?
Just google "Alaskan dingbat". (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/15/palin-slammed-as-wild-ala_n_499387.html)  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2010, 01:59:55 PM
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5427/slide_5427_74201_large.jpg?1268758588156)

Also:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/16/tea-party-protest-signs-r_n_500803.html
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But if you see the signs today, you might end up missing the connection to the RNC entirely. That's because the RNC took the unusual step of covering up its involvement. David Weigel of the Washington Independent reports that a black sticker has been placed over the RNC's label at the bottom center of the signs. Apparently, this is a cunning enough stratagem to keep protesters from discovering the RNC's involvement.

Ice cold burn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2010, 06:29:26 PM
Is...is that Plankton?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2010, 06:30:29 PM
don't you have kids? smh that's the dude from Monster's Inc  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 16, 2010, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2010, 06:30:29 PM
don't you have kids? smh that's the dude from Monster's Inc  ::)
It's Mike! Mike Wazowski!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 16, 2010, 07:18:33 PM
and that's the wizards hat from Fantasia.

I know someone will make a Manabyte joke if I don't, but I can't think of anything clever at the moment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2010, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2010, 06:30:29 PM
don't you have kids? smh that's the dude from Monster's Inc  ::)

 :'(


In other news, only around 300 teabagggers showed up for the final Health Care protest before the bill gets passed. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2010, 01:29:34 AM
Even Kucinich has finally come around and said he's gonna vote for it.  I'm fucking shocked.

Best thing about this is in a month, six months, a year or whatever I'm going to call up all my conservatard friends and ask them how their lives have been ruined since Obamacare came into being.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2010, 03:28:40 AM
Glad that Kooch did the right thing.  It's one thing to vote against a liberal bill that's going to pass anyway as a way of protesting the flaws (S-CHIP, the Iraq withdrawal), and another to vote against a major piece of social legislation that's still up in the air.

I wish the reality of Obamacare would calm down the crazies, but that's what I figured would happen after he took office.  Turns out they just move on to the next outrage, real or (usually) imagined, and retcon the last one.  Impending government takeover of health insurance, and stay away from my Medicare etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2010, 03:47:08 AM
Immigration next baby!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 17, 2010, 06:32:34 AM
I SMH so hard every time I read a religio-conservatard comment related to the healthcare debate along the lines of "weeping and praying for my country."

If I'm to understand it properly, they are praying that God will prevent health insurance from being made available to those who can't afford it or outright can't get it due to pre-existing conditions?

Sounds exactly like the shit Jesus was talking about in the Sermon on the Mount.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 17, 2010, 09:30:13 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/steve-king-calls-for-revolution-in-the-streets-of-washington-to-stop-health-care-bill.php?ref=fpblg

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"So this is just like Prague under communist rule?" the Huffington Post asked.

"Oh yeah, it is very, very close," King replied. "It is the nationalization of our liberty and the federal government taking our liberty over. So there are a lot of similarities there."


the nationalization of our liberty? 

what the fuck does that even mean?

one good buzzword tacked on to one bad buzzword

it's like watching management talk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2010, 10:18:40 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 17, 2010, 06:32:34 AM
I SMH so hard every time I read a religio-conservatard comment related to the healthcare debate along the lines of "weeping and praying for my country."

If I'm to understand it properly, they are praying that God will prevent health insurance from being made available to those who can't afford it or outright can't get it due to pre-existing conditions?

Sounds exactly like the shit Jesus was talking about in the Sermon on the Mount.
These people are just answering the call to defend their corporate lords. Thankfully, these morons are the minority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 17, 2010, 11:04:29 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 17, 2010, 09:30:13 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/steve-king-calls-for-revolution-in-the-streets-of-washington-to-stop-health-care-bill.php?ref=fpblg

Quote
"So this is just like Prague under communist rule?" the Huffington Post asked.

"Oh yeah, it is very, very close," King replied. "It is the nationalization of our liberty and the federal government taking our liberty over. So there are a lot of similarities there."


the nationalization of our liberty? 

what the fuck does that even mean?

one good buzzword tacked on to one bad buzzword

it's like watching management talk

 :rofl :duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2010, 11:12:48 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 17, 2010, 06:32:34 AM
I SMH so hard every time I read a religio-conservatard comment related to the healthcare debate along the lines of "weeping and praying for my country."

If I'm to understand it properly, they are praying that God will prevent health insurance from being made available to those who can't afford it or outright can't get it due to pre-existing conditions?

Sounds exactly like the shit Jesus was talking about in the Sermon on the Mount.

Or how Glenn Beck was mocking "social justice" on his show the other day.  Good times, good times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 18, 2010, 07:15:28 AM
Glenn Greenwald spitting the sad truf.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/03/12/democrats/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 18, 2010, 07:41:01 AM
Greenwald's actually being pretty disingenuous throughout that column.

His writing on the health care bill has been way, way below the standards he's set writing about the federal government's detainment and torture policies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 18, 2010, 12:00:26 PM
Who the fuck insults nuns?

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Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich, responded sharply to White House officials touting a letter representing 59,000nuns that was sent to lawmakers urging them to pass the health care bill.

The conservative Democrat dismissed the action by the White House saying, “When I’m drafting right to life language, I don’t call up the nuns.” He says he instead confers with other groups including “leading bishops, Focus on the Family, and The National Right to Life Committee.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2010, 12:15:18 PM
Stolen but reconciliation draft is online and only 12 pages:

 Here (http://twitdoc.com/docview?doc=28562335&key=key-2jx9pek713rwv075yfhq&usr=jeffreyyoung_hc&lcl=jeffreyyoung_hc/qciriqjn/Update_Summary_Healthcare_Reconciliation_Draft_3_16_10.docx&hits=259&qs=byeqqk)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2010, 01:35:41 PM
nice cbo report. can't wait to see republicans change the issue all week, and the media play along

DEEM AND PASS
51 MAJORITY
gives 32 million people hc coverage, cuts deficit
PROCEDURAL TRICKERY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2010, 01:40:59 PM
Noted conservative lunatic Representative John Shadegg tied himself into knots yesterday on MSNBC trying to attack the health care bill- his premise was that it was all a big give away to the health insurance companies, and that they kept the public option from being in the bill.  David Schuster actually got him to say that he wanted Medicare for all, which is hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2010, 01:50:07 PM
Until he had to vote for it. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 18, 2010, 01:40:59 PM
Noted conservative lunatic Representative John Shadegg tied himself into knots yesterday on MSNBC trying to attack the health care bill- his premise was that it was all a big give away to the health insurance companies, and that they kept the public option from being in the bill.  David Schuster actually got him to say that he wanted Medicare for all, which is hilarious.

Hold on

"bill is a big givaway to insurers. At least we took the public option out!"

that makes no sense  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 18, 2010, 02:30:38 PM
John Shadegg said he wanted medicare for all?

Yeah right and I am miles davis. That dude is in the same kook brigade as blackburn and bachmann.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 18, 2010, 02:46:39 PM
Judd Gregg was just on Andrea Mitchell Reports talking up a whole lot of bullshit. I really wish the Obama administration had locked him down. Oh well.

What a farce this whole process has been. I've become completely disenchanted with public office as a result, rapidly leaning towards the apathy my brother and many of his peers have for government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 18, 2010, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 18, 2010, 07:41:01 AM
Greenwald's actually being pretty disingenuous throughout that column.

His writing on the health care bill has been way, way below the standards he's set writing about the federal government's detainment and torture policies.

What's wrong with what he said?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2010, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2010, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 18, 2010, 01:40:59 PM
Noted conservative lunatic Representative John Shadegg tied himself into knots yesterday on MSNBC trying to attack the health care bill- his premise was that it was all a big give away to the health insurance companies, and that they kept the public option from being in the bill.  David Schuster actually got him to say that he wanted Medicare for all, which is hilarious.

Hold on

"bill is a big givaway to insurers. At least we took the public option out!"

that makes no sense  :lol

No, at first he was all "the insurance companies WANTED the individual mandate and DIDN'T WANT the public option, look what's in the bill lolz" and Schuster rightly fired back with, "uh wait a minute didn't you guys just spend almost a year telling everyone that the public option was the devil and a govt. takeover of healthcare?  are you for it now?" and Shadegg from there managed to dig himself into supporting Medicare for all.  It was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 18, 2010, 04:06:27 PM
I like David Schuster, but his bias gets in the way of me fully endorsing him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
Here you go:

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/republican-congressman-i-would-support-single-payer.php

Pretty funny stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 18, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
He misrepresents the debate over reconciliation, acting like its current use for the patch bill validates those who wanted to use it for the whole hog.

That's not true.  Reconciliation is only available for certain types of legislation, and some of the core parts of the bill (community rating, pre-existing condition regulations, lifetime caps on OOP costs) would have been excluded.

They're not passing "the healthcare bill" through reconciliation.  They're passing a much smaller bill meant to substitute for the changes that would have been made in a conference committee if they hadn't lost the MA Senate seat.

Also, he completely glosses over the fact that adding a public option in the Senate would require bouncing the bill back to the House.  Right now one of the biggest obstacles is convincing members of the House that the Senate won't screw around with their bill, hence the demand for some kind of promise beforehand on the part of Senate Democrats.

More generally, he's been slamming the current bill as "corporatism" because the government will subsidize people buying private insurance.  At the same time, he opposes any cap on the tax exemption for health care benefits, which is essentially a subsidy for employers to buy private insurance.  Besides, it's weird that AHIP hasn't caught on that it's a big giveaway to their members and is fighting against the bill.


For Greenwald and the FDLers, it's identity politics now, not public policy.  They've repeated the DFH vs. VSP thing (which really did encapsulate the way DC newsmedia operates) until it's just cant, and nurtured their sense of grievance.

For them, the public option isn't about the impact it would have on actual people.  It's a symbol of their struggle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 18, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Mandark, even if he's wrong about the actual procedure of reconciliation, his thesis on a number of Dems, including Obama himself, not wanting to actually support the PO, and just put on a show isn't too far off the mark, is it?

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 18, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
Here you go:

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/republican-congressman-i-would-support-single-payer.php

Pretty funny stuff.

Quote from: Shadegg's spokeswoman
Congressman Shadegg believes health insurance companies should have to compete for our business as individual consumers. Forcing them to compete, even through a public option, would be better than an individual mandate which will not work.

Wow, even after the interview he didn't backpedal? Wtf?

Maybe now that a douchebag republican supports a PO, Obama will try and fight for it again...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 18, 2010, 04:59:58 PM
Democrats: We want a public option!

Republicans: We won't vote for a bill with a public option! Socialists! Tyranny!

Democrats: Fine, we don't want a public option!

Republicans: We won't vote for a bill unless it has a public option! Corporatism! Freedom!

 :duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2010, 05:00:15 PM
I'm not convinced Obama ever supported the PO, or would have fought for it. While I agree with Mandark, the fact remains that senate leadership did say they had 50 votes for the PO, not 60. The public option would meet reconciliation requirements, and if democrats supported it, it could have passed with 50 votes. I just don't see democrats letting the entire bill burn just to appease the health care industry, if Obama/Reid had ensured a PO was in the reconciliation bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 18, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
Reconciliation is so two weeks ago. Today, it's all about the DEEM AND PASS. More liberal book learnin' tricks and double talk!

I imagine it takes all of the Repubs' collective strength not to refer to them as Jews and shysters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 18, 2010, 05:47:58 PM
Did I just slip into a dreamland where we can have nice things?

Quote
Amanpour Taking 'This Week' Job On ABC
Christina Bellantoni | March 18, 2010, 3:37PM
   
Longtime CNN foreign correspondent Christiane Amanpour will become the new anchor on ABC's political Sunday Show "This Week," the network announced this afternoon. She replaces former host George Stephanopoulos, who joined ABC's "Good Morning America" show.

In an email, ABC News president David Westin told the network's staff that Amanpour will begin in August. "A highly respected journalist recognized around the world for her reporting, she brings to her new position a wealth of experience and knowledge, as well as a deep commitment to bringing news of the world to the American people," Westin wrote.

The network also posted the details here.

Amanpour's CNN colleague Wolf Blitzer tweeted his congratulations. "I want to wish Christiane Amanpour all the best as she gets ready to leave CNN for ABC News," he wrote.

ABC's White House correspondent Jake Tapper will remain as the interim "This Week" host until she begins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2010, 07:48:01 PM
I wonder how long until she has President McCain on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2010, 02:03:22 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 18, 2010, 05:47:58 PM
Did I just slip into a dreamland where we can have nice things?

Quote
Amanpour Taking 'This Week' Job On ABC
Christina Bellantoni | March 18, 2010, 3:37PM
   
Longtime CNN foreign correspondent Christiane Amanpour will become the new anchor on ABC's political Sunday Show "This Week," the network announced this afternoon. She replaces former host George Stephanopoulos, who joined ABC's "Good Morning America" show.

In an email, ABC News president David Westin told the network's staff that Amanpour will begin in August. "A highly respected journalist recognized around the world for her reporting, she brings to her new position a wealth of experience and knowledge, as well as a deep commitment to bringing news of the world to the American people," Westin wrote.

The network also posted the details here.

Amanpour's CNN colleague Wolf Blitzer tweeted his congratulations. "I want to wish Christiane Amanpour all the best as she gets ready to leave CNN for ABC News," he wrote.

ABC's White House correspondent Jake Tapper will remain as the interim "This Week" host until she begins.


Sadly I'm willing to bet they will drag her down to the usual shitty level of Sunday news shows. But I agree. That is one of the rare bits of good news regarding news I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2010, 03:12:36 AM
It would be awesome if everyone on NBC's roster other than Maddow died in a fire and they were forced to use her on MtP.  Gawd Gregory sucks balls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 03:39:13 AM
If today doesn't prove the tv media isn't left leaning, I don't know what will. I don't even have cable and have still seen multiple stories along the lines of "is the CBO credible? Does the bill really lower the deficit? Americans don't believe the CBO. etc." It's beyond baffling seeing talking heads carry water for republicans. Today should have been a day of grown ups laughing at the children. Instead all I've seen are questions about what the CBO score "really" means, back door deals, procedural trickery, etc.

It shouldn't be hard to tell this thing is almost over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2010, 04:18:45 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 18, 2010, 04:57:24 PM
Mandark, even if he's wrong about the actual procedure of reconciliation, his thesis on a number of Dems, including Obama himself, not wanting to actually support the PO, and just put on a show isn't too far off the mark, is it?

No, cause his thesis rests on framing the question as "Do they want a public health insurance option to exist?"* and treating votes and legislative haggling as if they reveal the pure end-state preferences of the people involved.  Obama hasn't treated the PO like a primary goal, much less sine qua non for health reform, therefor he must secretly oppose its existence.

Look, every Democrat in the Senate and most of them in the House voted for very similar bills.  That doesn't mean this is the bill they all wanted.  It means it's the bill they were all willing to settle for, given a bunch of different and overlapping incentives, and what they could guess about each other's behavior.  No way does Bernie Sanders imagine an ideal health care distribution system the same way Ben Nelson does, but they both voted Aye.

More likely explanation is that Obama prefers a PO to no PO, but considers it a low priority compared to other aspects of reform, and thus is willing to jettison it for better odds of passing the larger bill.  Maybe you disagree with that judgment strongly, but the scenario's a lot simpler than Obama and his corporate masters at AHIP pulling some complicated double-reverse.

For figuring out what all the maneuvering means, I'd recommend Jonathan Bernstein's blog (http://plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/).  I'm gonna keep pimping it here until I see other people quoting his posts.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Actually, the question for Greenwald goes something like "Is he one of us, or is he a bad guy?"  I'm being kind of mean to him, but the dude is getting deep into the dolchstoss narrative and it grates on me cause I expect him, unlike your average Red State poster, to know better.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 04:38:07 AM
nah, dems are fucked. just a question of how much bleeding they'll do. I don't see how they don't lose at least 20 seats in the house, and a couple senate seats. but overall they'll probably keep control in both
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 19, 2010, 04:45:01 AM
Looking at the Senate, I expect them to lose in Arkansas, Nevada, North Dakota, Indiana, and probably Delaware sadly.  Might also lose in Colorado and maaaaybe Pennsylvania.  These could potentially be offset by wins in Ohio, New Hampshire, Missouri and if they're really lucky Kentucky and North Carolina.  All depends on how much unemployment goes down between now and then and if anyone actually notices that omg, we haven't suddenly woken up in a godless socialist distopia or whatever is supposed to have happened.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2010, 04:54:01 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 18, 2010, 02:46:39 PM
What a farce this whole process has been. I've become completely disenchanted with public office as a result, rapidly leaning towards the apathy my brother and many of his peers have for government.

I went through this during Clinton's second term, when I read some pieces about the legislative process and for the first time realized how selfish, parochial, and outright dumb our elected officials can be.  That got compounded by the farce of an impeachment trial.

Apathy just lets them get away with more bullshit, though.  Activism is pretty Sisyphean by nature, but you have to remember that it's important because of the people who are affected by the government, not because of the people who run the government.

It's an ugly process, but it's the only one we've got and the results do matter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 19, 2010, 10:29:14 AM
well fucking said Mandark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 19, 2010, 11:48:30 AM
I'm going to celebrate HCR's passing on Sunday by drinking champagne in a 2 person hot tub with my wife in a castle overlooking Seneca lake.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Actually, I was going to be doing that anyway. But it makes it just that much sweeter.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 01:49:03 PM
Peggy Noonan is so high on beltway ganja this video is staggering
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/anthony-weiner-smacks-down-peggy-noonan-on-health-care.php?ref=fpb

She's like a parody character from The Daily Show, seriously

edit:
The followup segment is the ultimate :smug
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789//vp/35946508#35946508

"it's like the civil rights bill lol, where lbj said you get yer rights...in 1974 amirite :smug"
"yea cuz the bill doesn't go into effect until 2014 amirite :smug"
"should have done everything in reconciliation amirite :smug"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2010, 02:37:34 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/19/jon-stewart-glenn-beck-parody_n_505329.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 19, 2010, 03:29:02 PM
Jesus

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXT9ZDAbK_o[/youtube]

and you just know his shitheel constituents will eat that up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 19, 2010, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 04:38:07 AM
nah, dems are fucked. just a question of how much bleeding they'll do. I don't see how they don't lose at least 20 seats in the house, and a couple senate seats. but overall they'll probably keep control in both

Every mid-term election usually has a big swing towards the other way. It's tradition.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 09:23:23 PM
Yea, and like previous losses, they'll be blamed on some scapegoat. This time: health care.

It would be interesting if dems lost like 20 seats in the house say 3-4 senate seats while gaining 1-2. I'd love to see the media and republican response to that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 19, 2010, 09:33:49 PM
The 2010 election is too far away for the health insurance debate to be a major factor.  It sounds pretty unlikely for a candidate to dig up some 6 month old talking points when people are likely going to be most concerned about the economy by then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 09:45:11 PM
Would you agree that republicans will be coming out due to health care (among other things), whereas independents will be more concerned with the economy? The bill certainly isn't going to fuck people over for months, so it's on their mind daily as they count the days down to November. Hell many small business owners and seniors will be pretty happy with the bill by then. I think the benefits will be easier to spot for many people, whereas with the stimulus it was harder for people to see something that didn't happen (economic collapse). Unless they were in the construction business.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 19, 2010, 09:46:40 PM
If this goes through and Harry Reid gives a good shot at the public option it could reinvigorate Dem voters. Who knows.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 09:54:01 PM
lol i'd bet money they don't touch the public option

I wish they would have just tried Grayson's Medican expansion idea. I'd imagine that could pass through the senate with at least 50 votes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/19/senate-dem-leader-promises-vote-soon-on-public-option/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 20, 2010, 05:06:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2010, 09:45:11 PM
Would you agree that republicans will be coming out due to health care (among other things), whereas independents will be more concerned with the economy?
I think some repubs will try to act like they gave a fuck when they inevitably get questioned about how they voted on healtchare reform but everybody's only going to really care about the economy.  There's no magic issue that will grab every American's vote but people most likely won't trust themselves to vote based on healthcare reform from 6 months ago since they probably will have forgotten most of the facts.

I'd love to see Tea Baggers cannibalize some of the redder states and become more aggressive tho.  They would be too small to matter but big enough to screw the republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 20, 2010, 09:57:11 AM
The economy will drive the 2010 elections.  The better the economy does this year, the fewer seats the Democrats will lose.  The people running around screaming that Obama is a "socialest" were never going to vote for him anyway.  Instead, it is going to come down to the independents and apathetic Democrats and whether they'll go the polls at all this fall, let alone vote for Democratic incumbents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 20, 2010, 01:55:08 PM
Stupak's finished.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2010, 02:03:47 PM
Too bad I don't live in that bastard's district to help vote him out
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 20, 2010, 04:09:25 PM
what kind of district does he represent?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2010, 04:13:03 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan%27s_1st_congressional_district

$34,000 medium income. So he'll be voting against his constituents best interests, not that he cares
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
Funny story, Stupak is actually Michael Moore's congresscritter and could have been mind if I'd moved to Traverse City.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Quote
Clyburn: I heard people saying things today I've not heard since Mar 15th, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus.
http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC/status/10789565455

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php?ref=fpb

Keeping it classy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on March 21, 2010, 12:34:55 AM
so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 21, 2010, 12:45:43 AM
how much are they likely to get to pass anyways?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2010, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: pollo on March 21, 2010, 12:34:55 AM
so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.

pretty sure it's gonna happen at this point.  preferably without having to get Stupak and his last couple dead enders on board, cause fuck that dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 21, 2010, 01:41:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Quote
Clyburn: I heard people saying things today I've not heard since Mar 15th, 1960 when I was marching to try and get off the back of the bus.
http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC/status/10789565455

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php?ref=fpb

Keeping it classy
I'm actually really impressed that a bunch of white crackers have the cojones to toss around the N word in DC., shouldn't at least some of them have been vicously murdered by the majority black population of the town they shoved aside to protest improved medical care for America?  Hell, I'm white and I would have felt justified turning a fire hose on the crowd, just for irony's sake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 21, 2010, 04:00:38 AM
Glad that old white codgers aren't going to be the one determining a woman's right to choose on a goddamn health insurance plan.

I just wonder, what happened to the people who opposed social security and medicare. Now that people use and depend on them, aren't they going to be the same ones 10-20 years from now (if they live long enough) who need and make use of it and love it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2010, 04:10:31 AM
trig palin tweet, 2030: dont want guvmunt messing wth my obamacare
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2010, 04:18:08 AM
The Tea Party people represent the heart and soul of America!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 21, 2010, 04:18:39 AM
Goddam.  PD just made the exact same point I was going to, and in a much more succinct and clever way than I would have.

I should just hang up my forum boots now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2010, 04:26:33 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2010, 04:18:08 AM
The Tea Party people represent the heart and soul of America!

Sadly, this is mostly true. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2010, 04:27:15 AM
Also suck it liberals. Cindy Sheehan just nailed your failed messiah!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/20/thousands-protest-in-dc-f_n_507159.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 21, 2010, 08:04:35 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 21, 2010, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: pollo on March 21, 2010, 12:34:55 AM
so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.
pretty sure it's gonna happen at this point.  preferably without having to get Stupak and his last couple dead enders on board, cause fuck that dude.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pelos-no-separate-vote-for-stupak.php

Quote
House Democratic leadership has apparently told Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) to go take a hike--and they'll move forward without him, or any other anti-abortion Dems threatening to switch their votes from 'yes' to 'no.'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 21, 2010, 08:43:57 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 21, 2010, 08:04:35 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 21, 2010, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: pollo on March 21, 2010, 12:34:55 AM
so is this shit passing? Stooge on GAF seems to be confident.
pretty sure it's gonna happen at this point.  preferably without having to get Stupak and his last couple dead enders on board, cause fuck that dude.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/pelos-no-separate-vote-for-stupak.php

Quote
House Democratic leadership has apparently told Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) to go take a hike--and they'll move forward without him, or any other anti-abortion Dems threatening to switch their votes from 'yes' to 'no.'

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on March 21, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
I haven't been to church in 5 months due to the absolute hostility and distinguished mentally-challenged during homilies. The catholic church has been forcing the 'kill the bill' narrative down our throats. Absolutely disgusting how much an agenda these people have. Then they go and rape little children.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 21, 2010, 09:13:23 AM
*lapsed Catholic*

honestly, the institution is hanging on by such bare threads I'll love just watching it evaporate

*can't speak about it's status in latin america, might still be going strong

** prolly big enough to keep it's rome base intact but LOLOLOL will enjoy watching it wither

*was burdened with taking his crazy aunt to church in an hour and a half*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 21, 2010, 10:07:55 AM
Michael Steele is a black Michael Scott.

Real talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 21, 2010, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: pollo on March 21, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
I haven't been to church in 5 months due to the absolute hostility and distinguished mentally-challenged during homilies. The catholic church has been forcing the 'kill the bill' narrative down our throats. Absolutely disgusting how much an agenda these people have. Then they go and rape little children.



Where do you live? I've never been to a Catholic church that opposed government aid to the poor. But I'm in NY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on March 21, 2010, 10:47:05 AM
NY also Admiral.

Maybe your priest is less conservative. For awhile it was weeks of anti abortion homilies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 21, 2010, 02:16:16 PM
Stupak's a yes.

America has Health-Care in t-minus 5 hours(?!)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 21, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
Does the Senate have to scrounge up 60 votes to pass the House's changes, or are they going to do that by reconciliation?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2010, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 21, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
Does the Senate have to scrounge up 60 votes to pass the House's changes, or are they going to do that by reconciliation?

Reconciliation.  And by my understanding, the President can go ahead and sign the shitty Senate bill into law as soon as the House passes it, then can sign the changes after the Senate passes them through reconciliation. 

Suck it down, 'pubs.  SUCK. IT. DOWN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 21, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 21, 2010, 10:21:06 AM
Quote from: pollo on March 21, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
I haven't been to church in 5 months due to the absolute hostility and distinguished mentally-challenged during homilies. The catholic church has been forcing the 'kill the bill' narrative down our throats. Absolutely disgusting how much an agenda these people have. Then they go and rape little children.



Where do you live? I've never been to a Catholic church that opposed government aid to the poor. But I'm in NY

The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is actively opposing the bill (http://www.usccb.org/healthcare/) on antiabortion grounds.  The nuns support it (http://www.networklobby.org/press/3-17-10HealthcareSistersLetter.htm), though.

I've got an older relative who's thinking of leaving the church because her parish has moved so far to the right, or at least the priest is being much more blunt about it now.  There's definitely some conflict among Catholics about whether the traditional social justice issues should remain a priority or whether they should take a backseat to the sexual morality stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 21, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 21, 2010, 02:46:53 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 21, 2010, 02:33:59 PM
Does the Senate have to scrounge up 60 votes to pass the House's changes, or are they going to do that by reconciliation?

Reconciliation.  And by my understanding, the President can go ahead and sign the shitty Senate bill into law as soon as the House passes it, then can sign the changes after the Senate passes them through reconciliation. 

Suck it down, 'pubs.  SUCK. IT. DOWN.

yep, tea party is going to become T.T party lolz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
How much clearer can it be that the bill is not some massive abortion giveaway? Dunno what's up with Stupak and these priests :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 21, 2010, 04:59:14 PM
It must seriously piss off certain members of the internet political community to see all these fair-weathers show up again to celebrate once there's good news. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2010, 05:10:41 PM
Cheebs in 3...2...1..
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 21, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
the BEST BEST part is not having to endure cheeb's triumphalism over a totally pyrrhic victory -- the bill sucks ass as far as real reform goes, with its only upside being the blown minds of teabaggers and maybe ending recission
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 21, 2010, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Borys on March 21, 2010, 03:48:29 PM
I go to HuffPost: huge-ass pro-HC picture, Dems = Saints etc.

So I go to Drudge: typical anti-HC picture, Reps = Saviours etc.

Is there any place for non-biased US political news on the internet?


Probably CNN.com. They tend to play it down the middle.


But as far as a pure aggregator of news links and opinion blogs? They are all biased to various degrees.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 21, 2010, 09:38:11 PM
Cheebs is probably getting crunkd TONITE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 21, 2010, 11:11:32 PM
Quote from: Borys on March 21, 2010, 03:48:29 PM
I go to HuffPost: huge-ass pro-HC picture, Dems = Saints etc.

So I go to Drudge: typical anti-HC picture, Reps = Saviours etc.

Is there any place for non-biased US political news on the internet?

http://www.newsmax.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 21, 2010, 11:51:19 PM
So, it passed?

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 22, 2010, 12:08:51 AM
that's that LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 22, 2010, 12:12:34 AM
american jesus is pissed, it's time to throw the abortionlenders out of the temple
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on March 22, 2010, 12:21:17 AM
Got this from the House Dem's blog, listing the immediately benefits of the Health care bill.

Quote
As soon as health care passes, the American people will see immediate benefits. The legislation will:

Eliminate lifetime limits and restrictive annual limits on benefits in all plans;

Require plans to cover an enrollee's dependent children until age 26;

Require new plans to cover preventive services and immunizations without cost-sharing;

Ensure consumers have access to an effective internal and external appeals process to appeal new insurance plan decisions;

Require premium rebates to enrollees from insurers with high administrative expenditures and require public disclosure of the percent of premiums applied to overhead costs.

By enacting these provisions right away, and others over time, we will be able to lower costs for everyone and give all Americans and small businesses more control over their health care choices.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 21, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
the BEST BEST part is not having to endure cheeb's triumphalism over a totally pyrrhic victory -- the bill sucks ass as far as real reform goes, with its only upside being the blown minds of teabaggers and maybe ending recission

Eh, there's a good deal of reform in the bill, and they threw nearly every cost bending idea at the problem (except the public option). This is a pretty big deal and will help millions of people. It's not the greatest shit ever and is far from perfect, but it's going to create the ground work for a more universal system
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 22, 2010, 01:13:03 AM
Its juvenile, no doubt, but I'm highly interested in some of the reactions this'll garner this week. Part of the problem  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 22, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
the communogay abortisocialist mulattohitlers have won, now jesus is going to deny america his return and all the canadians will inherit heaven :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 22, 2010, 01:17:39 AM
Stolen from GAF

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2yxme1k.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2010, 01:19:32 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2010, 01:23:41 AM
bahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2010, 01:26:40 AM
(http://xs.to/image-A8E5_4BA6C416.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2010, 01:29:57 AM
(http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc156/Chipopo1234/f74c28b51e8d127d3a498d3aa1d1c665186.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 01:36:52 AM
it's fake but awesome  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on March 22, 2010, 01:45:30 AM
My Facebook friends are having meltdowns. :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 22, 2010, 02:05:15 AM
my facebook is packed with filthy libruls getting their triumphalism on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
[youtube=560,345]6cPur8EbdO4[/youtube]
:smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2010, 02:12:22 AM
"So this is how democracy ends. To thunderous applause."

— Sen. Amidala


Never were truer words spoken.

 :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2010, 02:21:19 AM
FUCK YEAH

SUCK IT DOWN CONSERVATARDS

SUCK. IT. DOWN.

Tomorrow I will finally get approved for my govt. handout to open a Homobortion Smack Parlor and Day Care and realize my lifelong dream of having gay sex with unwilling suburban men while perform abortions high on heroin and watching toddlers.  SUCK.  IT.  DOWN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2010, 02:21:30 AM
http://didtheypasshealthcarereform.com/

it randomizes the images!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 22, 2010, 02:56:12 AM
(http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/pics/facebookownage.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 03:32:21 AM
[youtube=560,345]_1qLy3y67RU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2010, 05:22:20 AM
sorry to be so indiscreet about my schadenfreude but...well fuck it you guys know you love it too:

Quote
I know exactly what you mean. After the vote went down, I went outside and looked at the sky. I had the thought this this wasn’t a sky over America anymore, and there is no America now, and it felt like America just disappeared into the night’s sky, and now I was standing on someone else’s land, someone else’s home, and I could never go home again.

I will forever look at others as strangers, wondering, “Whose side were you on the night it all disappeared?”

This is the night that Ben Franklin feared when he replied to the question as to what they, the founders had given us, “A republic, if you can hold it.” We failed. We failed to stop the media from destroying George Bush to the point that America thirsted for Democrat rule. The media started the Reichstag fire, and we stood by without even lunging for a water hose

:teehee :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 05:46:21 AM
I'm with you, man.

There'll be plenty of time to hash out the substance of the bill, but schadenfreude?  You want that fresh.  For example: (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/is-passing-the-health-care-bill-really-a-bad-idea/)

Quote from: Applebee's Salad Bar Manager
David Brooks: But I persist in the belief that government is more fundamentally messed up than ever in my lifetime. Barack Obama campaigned offering a new era of sane government. And I believe he would do it if he had the chance. But he has been so sucked into the system that now he stands by while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi talks about passing health care via “deem and pass” — a tricky legislative device in which things get passed without members having the honor or the guts to stand up and vote for it.

Deem and pass? Are you kidding me? Is this what the Revolutionary War was fought for? Is this what the boys on Normandy beach were trying to defend? Is this where we thought we would end up when Obama was speaking so beautifully in Iowa or promising to put away childish things?

Yes, I know Republicans have used the deem and pass technique. It was terrible then. But those were smallish items. This is the largest piece of legislation in a generation and Pelosi wants to pass it without a vote. It’s unbelievable that people even

...

Either this whole city has gone insane or I have or both. But I’m out here on the ledge and I’m not coming in the window. In my view this is no longer about health care. It’s just Democrats wanting to pass a bill, any bill, and shredding anything they have to in order to get it done. It’s about taking every sin the Republicans committed when they were busy being corrupted by power and matching it with interest.

Of course, they didn't use the self-executing rule in the end.  Even more predictably, it seems that Brooks never wrote a single word against the practice when the GOP was using it.

At what point does he have to turn in his Sensible And Moderate card?  Dude is hyperventilating over normal parliamentary procedure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 22, 2010, 06:29:36 AM
[youtube=560,345]np6vAuS0KNs[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 22, 2010, 07:50:11 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/a-tainted-victory/37811/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/a-tainted-victory/37811/)

Quote from: Clive Crook
Looming over all is the biggest risk for the Democrats. Albeit in a worthy cause, Obama has broken faith with American voters. He promised post-partisan leadership. He promised to moderate the warring tribes on Capitol Hill, and strive for common-sense, centrist solutions. Then, on this epic issue, he allied himself with--in fact, subordinated himself to--liberal Democrats in Congress. With help, to be sure, from a rabidly partisan Republican party, he has divided the country more deeply than ever. And he has pushed through a far-reaching measure that country does not want. In November we will find out what, if anything, it will cost his party and his presidency.

So some people who should really know better still subscribe to this fiction that Obama just as guilty as  Republicans for both Congressional and countrywide partisanship. How the fuck is the current bill not a "centrist" solution? If anything, it's a Republican solution circa 1993. And why is common sense conflated with centrism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 22, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Calling it now. The Dems are barely going to lose any seats this fall. This bill will become far more popular now that the vote is done and the smear campaign is over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 09:03:08 AM
so what's next?  immigration reform?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2010, 09:12:38 AM
I think its education :rock not sure though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 22, 2010, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 22, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
Calling it now. The Dems are barely going to lose any seats this fall. This bill will become far more popular now that the vote is done and the smear campaign is over.

The smear campaign isn't over; it will resume around September. I'm not sure, however, from what angle the Republicans will be campaigning. If it's repealing the bill--which is what they're threatening now, provided that they eventually gain the number of seats that they want--then what are they going to say? "Put us in office and we'll give power back to insurance companies to deny you insurance because of pre-existing conditions! Put us in office and those of you who are back on your parents' insurance plans are shit out of luck!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 22, 2010, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 09:03:08 AM
so what's next?  immigration reform?

Isn't DADT still in the pipeline?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on March 22, 2010, 09:57:01 AM
Am I the only one who is looking forward to listening to Rush Limbaugh today just for the whining? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 10:21:32 AM
Frum made the point that the bill features some language republicans used for their health care ideas during the Clinton wars. I haven't looked it up yet, but if true that's definitely interesting.

It would have only taken a couple republican senators to get a deal, maybe less subsidies and more malpractice reform for instance. With that, they could have walked away from the table with a modest victory ("we got tort reform and had Obama cut pork barrel spending out the bill hurrr"). Instead they walk away with their hands totally empty; even though the bill features more than a few republican "ideas" and amendments, they've spent the last year telling the American people that democrats totally ignored them.

This is what the legislature process looks like, and yes it's quite American. In fact, what does this say about Bush's legislative legacy. Republicans had the presidency and congress for six years and managed to start a war, give rich people tax cuts, create the perscription drug donut hole, create No Child Left Behind, and let energy companies write the energy bill. All while racking up massive debt and deficits.

In contrast, Obama has passed a stimulus package and managed to do something multiple presidents have failed at over the last century: a comprehensive (I'm not calling this universal) health care bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on March 22, 2010, 11:15:19 AM
Bank reform next plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Tieno on March 22, 2010, 01:08:44 PM
Congrats America.

I'm still dumbfounded how Americans are more willing to go to war than to ensure their own people.
If only you could stigmatize war with the stain of socialism or communism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 01:11:29 PM
Maybe if we declare war on Israel :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 01:12:11 PM
So when can I start lining up for my free abortions funded by federal moneys? :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 01:13:41 PM
[youtube=560,345]kD2bGrp0akw[/youtube]
:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 01:18:38 PM
I doubt Obama touches immigration next, simply because the only thing that stirs up the Tea Party base more than health care reform is GIVING RITES TO DEM ILLEGAL ALIENS DAT TOOK ER JERBS!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 01:25:02 PM
yes, but i think it would be hilarious from the casket blowing perspective.

on sunday, there was a pretty large march for immigration reform in dc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2010, 01:51:13 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 01:25:02 PM
yes, but i think it would be hilarious from the casket blowing perspective.

on sunday, there was a pretty large march for immigration reform in dc.

Over 200k, but they weren't calling people taco or distinguished black fellow so the media didn't bother to cover it.  Next time they should march with guns if they want coverage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 01:59:40 PM
and it was such a lovely day for a march, too.

http://washingtonindependent.com/79935/through-tears-tea-party-activists-vow-to-keep-fighting-health-care-reform
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 22, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
Not to be all Doubting Thomas (especially since I totally support any kind of healthcare reform in this country, even though I am hoping this is just a stepping stone to single-payer)... but are there any accurate breakdowns on where the gov't is getting the money for this?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 02:31:32 PM
“Look at that idiot!” said Linda Cocsy, a New Yorker who’d spent the weekend in Washington for the protests, pointing at one of the young Democrats who’d infiltrated the protest, holding up a pro-reform sign provided by a pro-choice Catholic group. “This one, here with the stupid grin on his face! He looks likes he’s brainless. You look at these people and, they really look like jerks. You look at the other people, with the Don’t Tread on Me [flags], and they look like real people!” Cocsy stared off at another protester, waving a sign he’d picked up from a pro-immigration reform protest that had broken up around the time that Stupak announced his flip. “I just wanna kill them!” said Cocsy.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: tiesto on March 22, 2010, 02:29:48 PM
Not to be all Doubting Thomas (especially since I totally support any kind of healthcare reform in this country, even though I am hoping this is just a stepping stone to single-payer)... but are there any accurate breakdowns on where the gov't is getting the money for this?

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Getting the money for what? Making everyone buy private health insurance? This not really the public option. The exchange and additional health expansion stuff will be paid for in taxes I think in 2014 or something.

EDIT: I believe the most costly thing are all the subsidies for low income families.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 02:38:54 PM
Could be true. We'll find out.

I speculate several years down the road, when the bill is fully implemented, Democrats will use this as an excuse to push a single-payer system through the Congress. "See, we told you insurers are evil! We need universal health care!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 09:03:08 AM
so what's next?  immigration reform?

I think the list of domestic priorities has remained roughly the same, and goes like this:

1) Emergency measures (stimulus, bailouts)
2) Health insurance reform
3a) Financial regulatory reform
3b) Energy bill with carbon caps
3c) Education policy changes/reauthorization
4) Everything else


Dodd's been working on banking reform and Kerry on energy in the Senate.  The House has already passed its version of each bill.   Both of them aren't reconciliation eligible, which means they'll need Republican support in the Senate.  Maybe the education bill gets done just because The Act Formerly Known as NCLB is due for reauthorization and is the most likely candidate to get bipartisan support.

Immigration isn't as further along (I think one of the House committees passed a bill, but the whole House hasn't even started working on it) and I don't think the Democrats want to deal with that in what's already looking like a rough election year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 02:46:04 PM
Isn't Dodd leading the charge for banking reform a total joke, though?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
Oh man, the signs are amazing. I give the Tea Party folks massive points. :lol

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74976_large.jpg)

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74977_large.jpg)

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74979_large.jpg)

wtf :lol

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74980_large.jpg)

oh no not the pie! :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
but mandark, democrats poisoned the well of the senate. republicans cannot possibly work with them again this year after such a totalitarian take over  :ussrcry

I'd love to see immigration addressed, and obviously Obama has promises to keep but it might not be possible in this climate. But oh would it be glorious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 22, 2010, 02:56:14 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/5496/slide_5496_74979_large.jpg)

wtf :lol


 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Willco
Isn't Dodd leading the charge for banking reform a total joke, though?

Weirdly, no.

He was up for reelection and his approval numbers were tanking because people saw him as being in the pockets of the big banks, so he tried to salvage his reputation by proposing a much stronger approach than Frank's plan in the House and Obama's campaign promises.

It didn't work and he's retiring now, and the bill's been watered down pretty badly in both houses as they look for GOP votes in the Senate and blue dog votes in the House.  In this case, unlike with health care, I'd much rather they propose a strong bill that can't pass and dare the conservatives to vote against it rather than try to pass a weak compromise bill.

Social programs create their own constituencies, so it becomes relatively easier to expand them (like adding a drug benefit to Medicare).  Financial regulations are like FEMA:  you only get the impetus for changes after things have already gone to hell.  Passing weak reforms will just create a feeling of complacency until the next giant meltdown a couple decades down the line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 03:01:08 PM
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Obama said he would do everything in his power to forge a bipartisan consensus on immigration reform this year.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35973932/ns/politics/

Any chances that health care passing might give democrats enough confidence to re-strengthen the financial reform bill, and roll the dice?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: Borys on March 22, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
Is this true or just right-wing FUD:

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A high earning physician told me his tax load will increase by $100,000 per year when this bill is fully implemented.

FUD.

AFAIK, there's no tax targeting physicians.  I guess he could be talking about the 3.8% tax on unearned income, but that would mean he's pulling at least $2.5 a year just in dividends and interest, in which case cry me a river.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 22, 2010, 03:21:03 PM
I love how to the Tea Party, the essence of America are various trinkets, food and a very large bird.

baldeaglecry.jpg

On another note, lots of great articles explaining the bill floating around, about its benefits and cost to the taxpayer. Gonna email them out to family members.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
I just find it funny that everyone seems oblivious to the fact or is too afraid to admit that the Tea Party is fueled by thinly veiled racism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 03:51:06 PM
thinly veiled?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 04:04:23 PM
I get the impression that they're trying so hard not to just bubble over with full racism. Instead they...compromise by pulling out some Nixon-esque woe-is-me language and a couple pinches of shoe polish. They have signs declaring white tax payers are the new "niggars," they constantly use analogies to slavery when discussing the burden of paying low taxes to guvment run by a black dude, they overwhelmingly believe Obama is foreign, etc. Just enough to send a clear signal to believers while denying everything to the media/sane people.

There's a 48 second video on Red State with John Lewis and Clyburn walking to congress as they're heckled; no racial epithets or spitting is on the video. And this is evidence enough for them to label the charges as blatant lies from more black folk playing the race card. Lewis and Clyburn playing the race card. Yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 04:10:16 PM
MOAR LIEK THINLY HOODED RACISM!  AMIRITE?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 04:25:04 PM
While we're on the subject:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/20/AR2010032003349_2.html
Quote from: Dan Balz
But former Republican House speaker Newt Gingrich said Obama and the Democrats will regret their decision to push for comprehensive reform. Calling the bill "the most radical social experiment . . . in modern times," Gingrich said: "They will have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years" with the enactment of civil rights legislation in the 1960s.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/opinion/19brooks.html
Quote from: David Brooks
Blond argues that over the past generation we have witnessed two revolutions, both of which liberated the individual and decimated local associations. First, there was a revolution from the left: a cultural revolution that displaced traditional manners and mores; a legal revolution that emphasized individual rights instead of responsibilities; a welfare revolution in which social workers displaced mutual aid societies and self-organized associations.

...

The effort to liberate individuals from repressive social constraints didn’t produce a flowering of freedom; it weakened families, increased out-of-wedlock births and turned neighbors into strangers. In Britain, you get a country with rising crime, and, as a result, four million security cameras.


Remember, these are the leading intellectual lights of the conservative movement right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2010, 04:48:17 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
I just find it funny that everyone seems oblivious to the fact or is too afraid to admit that the Tea Party is fueled by thinly veiled racism.

Ever since the 60's the media has fallen back on the habit of labeling conservative based protest movements as more normal and traditional than liberal based protest movements which are often deemed radical and un-american rather than evaulating each one on their positive and negative attributes. This effects their tone of coverage.

Let's face it also. The way the news portrays a group of black "protesters" versus a group of white "protesters" also is often portrayed differently and has a different effect when the viewing audience is black or white. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 04:52:00 PM
Wow. I'm still slogging through Nixonland; it really puts some things into perspective. If there's anything positive in Gingrich's comments, I guess you could say a republican is finally admitting the white backlash/race baiting caused democrats to get shitcanned, not simply Vietnam.

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turned neighbors into strangers

I wonder why  

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
Politics seems like wrestling to me at this point. The Republicans enjoy playing the heel, but behind the stage, both Democrats and Republicans are best friends. Both are owned by corporate interests - this watered down health care reform bill is evidence of just that.

All this red state/blue state nonsense is less about substance and trying to fight for particular ideologies, but rather manufactured noise created to widen the rift and keep people oblivious to the fact neither party really wants to do anything to help their actual constituencies.

This stupid battle is going to play out in public, with both sides bickering at one another for months, while insurance companies and Big Pharma laugh all the way to the bank. This isn't what I wanted, I guess it's better than nothing, but let's not act like it's a big blow against the insurance industry.

And although I don't doubt that talking heads like David Brooks are legit, along with a handful of equally ridiculous legislators (Bachmann for instance), most are just like Judd Gregg - they know better, they're just spouting garbage to deflect accountability away from lawmakers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 22, 2010, 05:45:00 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
I just find it funny that everyone seems oblivious to the fact or is too afraid to admit that the Tea Party is fueled by thinly veiled racism.

Yup... where was the concern about out of control spending from the teabagger constituency during the Bush administration?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2010, 05:52:44 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
I just find it funny that everyone seems oblivious to the fact or is too afraid to admit that the Tea Party is fueled by thinly veiled racism.

Oh, I bring this up every single time the Tea Party gets mentioned amongst friends and family... "Have you ever seen a non-white person at a Tea Party rally?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
The movement has retconned the Bush administration into the "big spending government" entity that they adamantly oppose, but it's pretty obvious from the demographic that shows up at the rallies and the type of behavior they engage in that it's Obama that really grinds their gears.

I've said for awhile that the Tea Party has tapped into this weird sense of white male insecurity that feels totally threatened by having to do what a left-leaning black man says. Of course, it's not because they're racist. NEVER THAT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2010, 05:57:53 PM
Suck a rich white's cock? Oh boy I can't wait!

Suck a rich mandingo's phallus? Oh teh noes! Communists! Revolution!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:06:30 PM
I think it is a scary situation for some middle-aged white Americans to see hundreds of years of racial superiority unraveling before their eyes. I mean, I didn't think I'd see a black President in my lifetime. Not that he ended racial inequality, but Obama shifted the goal posts and then some.

The hysterical part of this is that corporate interests are destroying the entire middle class, and not just for white citizens. It's easier to blame Kenyan socialist boogeymen than to accept the truth that rich capitalists from your own race have sold you out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
I have a couple friends who buy into that notion. They'll do anything to defend corporate interests, even when they know deep down that it makes their lives much harder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:13:22 PM
Yeah, I find it pretty much ridiculous that the rage directed towards the banking institutions has all but evaporated, and that somehow the fat cat Wall Street banker has been lumped into the Obama/Pelosi socialist tyrannical regime courtesy of "out of touch with Main Street America" talking points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
well, who shapes the talking points?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 06:28:02 PM
I agree with Triumph, Obama should have jumped on financial regulation shortly after taking office, or attached it to the stimulus somehow, when his numbers were untouchable. Just to make it clear who was on who's side.

The hc debate showed both sides are heavily influenced by corporations, but only one party totally towed the corporate line. Yea there's no public option but it's not like insurance companies are breaking out the champagne for this bill either. They know the jig is up soon. A foot is finally in the door, and one day the other foot is gonna step in a drop the bomb (public option, single payer, medicare buy in, something).

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
well, who shapes the talking points?

jews
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:31:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 06:28:02 PM
Yea there's no public option but it's not like insurance companies are breaking out the champagne for this bill either. They know the jig is up soon.

Yeah, those poor insurance companies and their millions of new customers and surging stock prices (http://www.opednews.com/articles/Health-insurance-company-s-by-background-n015e-091220-88.html).

What a real blow for them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on March 22, 2010, 06:31:21 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2010, 06:22:38 PM
well, who shapes the talking points?

jews

all of them?!  :ninja
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:32:51 PM
Quote from: Reuters
NEW YORK, March 22 (Reuters) - Shares of Medicaid insurers, hospital companies and even drugmakers rose on Monday as many investors concluded that passage of landmark U.S. healthcare legislation will add millions of new paying patients.

The S&P Health Care Sector index .GSPA was up nearly 1 percent on Monday, outpacing the broader market, after the U.S. House of Representatives gave final approval to a sweeping overhaul late on Sunday night. [ID:nN22144256]

Shares of hospital companies such as Community Health Systems (CYH.N) and health insurers such as Amerigroup (AGP.N) that focus on Medicaid plans for the poor led the increases. Analysts expect those companies to benefit as the reform package extends coverage to 32 million Americans.

Man, the Democrats really showed them who's boss, Maurice! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 06:40:15 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
Politics seems like wrestling to me at this point. The Republicans enjoy playing the heel, but behind the stage, both Democrats and Republicans are best friends. Both are owned by corporate interests - this watered down health care reform bill is evidence of just that.

All this red state/blue state nonsense is less about substance and trying to fight for particular ideologies, but rather manufactured noise created to widen the rift and keep people oblivious to the fact neither party really wants to do anything to help their actual constituencies.

Willco's gone from being a Republican to being a Naderite!

 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:42:49 PM
Please, if you're going to call me a populist, spare me the unfair associations, Mandark!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 06:45:19 PM
Hey, if the shoe fits...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on March 22, 2010, 06:47:25 PM
Obama has said he'd support immigration reform, no clue what that would entail.
I went through hell to get my wife here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 06:49:16 PM
Quote from: M3wThr33 on March 22, 2010, 06:47:25 PM
Obama has said he'd support immigration reform, no clue what that would entail.
I went through hell to get my wife here.

Well then, maybe next time you should have use a more reputable agency - like Single Brides (http://www.singlebrides.com/) or Goodwife.com (http://www.goodwife.com/)!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 22, 2010, 06:52:28 PM
delicious, delicious schadenfreude: http://www.hillaryis44.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 06:57:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]cpY7gWlXoqw[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]vT6PNv2GhY4[/youtube]

Steele gives me a "I'm just rapping about what I see in the streets dawg" vibe, and the other dude gives me a "calling someone a distinguished black fellow is ok if they deserve it" vibe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 22, 2010, 07:04:48 PM
Poor Shep Smith :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on March 22, 2010, 07:56:58 PM
http://www.gop.com/firepelosi/

That is on the official website of the Republican National Committee.  Gotta love the Satanic flames around Pelosi.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 08:09:04 PM
Shep should have been like "Armaggedon tired of all this hyperbole, Mr. Steele."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 08:39:18 PM
George RR Martin posts on health care, shit storm (seemingly) erupts
http://grrm.livejournal.com/141683.html

258 comments so far, but I've only read the first page.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 22, 2010, 09:04:28 PM
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"Well, he should have had insurance," I can hear some right wing asshole out there saying. Yeah, he shoulda. Except, even if he'd had the money to buy a policy, no insurance company would ever have issued one for him. He's had a pre-existing condition since childhood.
didn't the pubs agree with the democrats on pre-existing conditions?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 09:09:43 PM
I never saw it in their idea document
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2010, 09:12:43 PM
There was a bunch of rhetoric along the lines of "We all agree about stuff like pre-existing conditions, so why not propose a new bill with only those things?"

But they never presented a solid counter-proposal that mandated coverage of pre-existing conditions and never pursued it in the years they had the majority.  It's just something popular enough that most politicians can't publicly oppose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 09:51:19 PM
Quote
Update: Lawrence O'Donnell on "Countdown" just reported that the Senate Parliamentarian has ruled against the GOP on what they thought would be their "silver bullet" argument, the impact of the excise tax on Social Security revenues.

 :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 22, 2010, 10:12:11 PM
It was fun watching Frum discredit the Club for Growth scumbag on Hardball.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Yea...I'm gonna have to agree with Mandark. This isn't about right vs far right as I thought; my opinion was based on the initial concern over the tea parties, Palin, etc, and I figured that was still held by top brass republicans. I'd imagine some still are concerned of course, but the majority of the party decided going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow was the best idea.

[youtube=560,345]DWLTPfZlvxs[/youtube]

You're right. And Carville said it ages ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Piq68kh9k#t=2m40s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 22, 2010, 11:39:47 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on March 22, 2010, 07:56:58 PM
http://www.gop.com/firepelosi/

That is on the official website of the Republican National Committee.  Gotta love the Satanic flames around Pelosi.  :-\

My god, that is fucking sad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 23, 2010, 12:01:41 AM
The Daily Show :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tehjaybo on March 23, 2010, 01:40:28 AM
Everyone come troll the die hards on my facebook status.  It's fun, I promise.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/tehjaybo?v=feed&story_fbid=108464732514009
Title: Schadenfruede update! Must credit the Bore!
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2010, 04:53:21 AM
Megan McArdle, formerly of The Economist and currently of The Atlantic, who used to blog under the pseudonym Jane Galt, finds (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/03/the-future-after-health-care/37799/) the passage of health care reform "terrifying" and a threat to American democracy itself.  It's a remarkably crazy, self-contradicting post.

She also had this gem (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/03/health-care-by-easter/36966/) a few weeks ago:

Quote from: Megan McArdle
I have never seen conservatives and liberals so divided . . . in beliefs, not values.  On the one hand, there are people like the TNR crew, and Jonathan Bernstein, Andrew's guest-blogger, who seem to think that this it's the next best thing to a done deal.  Meanwhile, all the conservatives and libertarians I know think that it's pretty much hopeless, because Pelosi can't get it through an increasingly rebellious House.  To our jaded eyes it looks as if everyone who can is looking for an excuse not to vote for a bill that is unpopular with their constituents. 

The opinions on both sides seem so confident, and so incompatible, that one group of people is clearly borderline delusional.  I don't see how they can be right--even if passing health care makes the party better off (I'm doubtful), it does not improve the fortunes of members in conservative districts who do not get much mileage out of their affiliation with the Democratic Party (and will get even less mileage if they are seen as enabling unpopular legislation).

But of course, borderline delusional people don't think they're delusional, or else they wouldn't be delusional.  So there you are: either it's a done deal, or it's dead.  There's no longer much middle ground in between.

Yep.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 23, 2010, 09:15:33 AM
true story.  one of my friends used to date her.

she was bug fuck crazy

i knew she worked at the economist and she blogged under the name jane galt.  but i never put the connection together until just now with your post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 23, 2010, 09:39:36 AM
Was she hot at least?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 23, 2010, 10:07:56 AM
Google Images says no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2010, 10:36:33 AM
Ah, McMegan.  She's a neverending font of stupidity, (http://inversesquare.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/its-not-that-mcardle-cant-read-its-that-she-cant-wont-think-part-one/) yet for some reason Very Serious People (some I actually grudgingly admire, like Andrew Sullivan) keep linking to her like she's ever said anything comprehensible, much less sensible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2010, 01:24:11 PM
Jane Galt, really?

I read McArdle as seldom as possible, but had always thought she was "centristy" and her shtick was concern trolling the Dems.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 23, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
I think she's pretty cute, personally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2010, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 23, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
I think she's pretty cute, personally.

Yes, but you're fucked up in the head.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 23, 2010, 02:19:52 PM
well she's not ugly or anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2010, 02:31:25 PM
Where were all these Tea Party people when the government mandated that everyone who drives a car has to have car insurance?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2010, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 23, 2010, 09:15:33 AM
true story.  one of my friends used to date her.

she was bug fuck crazy

i knew she worked at the economist and she blogged under the name jane galt.  but i never put the connection together until just now with your post.

Haha, that's awesome.  I feel validated to hear she was crazy, which is probably wrong on my part.

Always got the sense that Yglesias, Klein, et al treated her with kid gloves cause they had something of a crush on her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 23, 2010, 04:07:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 23, 2010, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 23, 2010, 09:15:33 AM
true story.  one of my friends used to date her.

she was bug fuck crazy

i knew she worked at the economist and she blogged under the name jane galt.  but i never put the connection together until just now with your post.

Haha, that's awesome.  I feel validated to hear she was crazy, which is probably wrong on my part.

Always got the sense that Yglesias, Klein, et al treated her with kid gloves cause they had something of a crush on her.

it is incredibly demeaning to women that her very real and very sad mental illness is used for you to make yourself feel better about hating her, you misogynist.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 23, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
Gallup: 49-40 favor
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 23, 2010, 04:44:13 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on March 23, 2010, 04:05:52 PM
If I don't want to acquire health insurance, all I have to do is die.

... or depending on your income, not pay anything at all. Or if you make enough, pay a penalty fee when you file your taxes - which is capped.

This is to prevent you from bankrupting the system after you are hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street because you don't pay car insurance, thus cannot drive a car. We could just opt to get rid of the mandate and let you die, that is unless you have enough money in your account to cover the hospital expenses!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 23, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
intellectually, i really dislike the compulsory element of it. prgamatically, i am unsure how this can be implemented well. we shall see!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 23, 2010, 06:32:00 PM
People under $80k will be getting subsidies, and if you make more than that, chances are you already have good/great health insurance, and even if you don't, I doubt you'll be struggling much when you do buy it.

Also, lol

(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/3/GOP_On_Signing_Day.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2010, 06:33:48 PM
 :lol

almost better than the ron-paul-alone picture
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2010, 12:12:35 PM
WHITE PEOPLE TAX!

(http://www.truemeaningoflife.com/images/whitetax.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2010, 12:15:05 PM
Slammed!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 24, 2010, 12:15:14 PM
 :lol :lol :lol  REALLY?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 24, 2010, 12:48:14 PM
Bobby Joe from West Virginia who has never been to a beach, let alone a tanning salon is fucking outraged! Remove these rusty shacklesssssssss
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2010, 12:54:22 PM
 :lol :lol :lol @ :15
[youtube=560,345]0DtwkTS9mq8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 24, 2010, 12:56:34 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 24, 2010, 12:58:54 PM
What a piece of shit :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 24, 2010, 05:27:30 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 23, 2010, 08:56:16 PM
Fact is, a lot of the things that would cause you to need medical care aren't really your fault. No one's personal health is an island. If you catch a communicable disease and need medical care, that's not really your fault. If you were born with some kind of condition, that's not your fault. If you get cancer because of toxins/chemicals/radiation in your workplace or the environment, that's not really your fault. If you get hit by a car or if you're involved in an accident in any way other than being the at-fault driver... you see where this is going. It's pretty easy to see that health care funding should come from the society, not from the individual.

Granted there are things that make you more of a health risk, and obviously there should be ways of extracting additional revenue from those things. Smokers and drinkers already pay a pretty hefty tax on their indulgences. I'd be in favor of a fast-food and soda tax as well.

In any case, one way or another, everyone in society is going to pay for people's health care. This can be achieved through a taxpayer funded, government run system; a system like the one we're about to implement in the U.S., or you can just let people wait until their conditions deteriorate to the point where they need emergency-room care, and then let everyone who does pay for medical care subsidize these people.

Either way, the notion that every single person in a country should be responsible for his/her own medical care is pretty outdated and reeks of social Darwinism and a Randian-level of disconcern for one's fellow man.
Oh man, I definitely agree on the fast food/soda tax.  If we're taxing things like alcohol and tobacco because they're bad and we're trying to discourage it, then we should do the same for fast food.  That shit is horrible and everyone knows it.  The only logistical problem is what is considered fast food?  Anything with a drive thru?  Then what about places like Five Guys?  Anything that serves pre-cooked/frozen food?  What about places like Shipley Donuts?  Or Denny's and Applebee's?  Or how about those god-awful Hungry Man meals?  In reality, it's really just too difficult to implement.

A soda tax should definitely happen though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 24, 2010, 05:52:03 PM
They could maybe do ANY foods that exceed a certain percentage of the DV% of calorie, sodium or fat intake in a single serving.  Of course, this would probably lead to some manipulation of serving sizes, the determination for which needs to be revised anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 24, 2010, 07:10:06 PM
A sucrose/fructose tax could happen since you're taxing the supplier directly.  But I think a more efficient/less controversial idea is to instead focus on giving tax breaks to companies that use artificial sweeteners instead of sugar while at the same time having a tax of some form on those sugars.  It gives a clear message to the public that there is some much more healthy alternative for the foods they eat (especially as artifical sweeteners are cheaper already).

You could also do the same thing to fats by having a small tax on trans fats and a tax incentive for using fat substitutes like Olestra or something.

Taxing the final food product directly just feels backwards to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2010, 07:18:21 PM
or, we could just cut corn subsidies

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 24, 2010, 07:28:16 PM
That's outrageous, Eric. You'd be trying to fix the actual problem and I won't allow that!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 24, 2010, 07:39:19 PM
except you can't just cut corn subsidies.  My idea would lead to less demand for corn and sugar cane anyways.  Sucrose is part of the problem too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2010, 07:47:34 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 24, 2010, 12:54:22 PM
:lol :lol :lol @ :15
[youtube=560,345]0DtwkTS9mq8[/youtube]

Well done Mr President. I salute you. We don't want a repeat of what happened on 24.

Quote
Palmer then goes out to make a statement to the press, deeming that the threat is over. He shakes hands with many of the onlookers, one of whom happens to be Mandy, a woman hired in Day 1 to assassinate Palmer. She slips a deadly virus into his hand, and he collapses to the ground, panting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Palmer_(24_character) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Palmer_(24_character))
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 24, 2010, 10:06:07 PM
I'm watching the Rachel Maddow show and one of the lead in stories is about threats to members of Congress (Democrats who voted in HCR, obviously). I'm surprised at some of the acts. Has there even been a movement that reacted this violently (words and actions) to members of Congress in recent memory? Maybe its business as usual and it seems worse cause a media spotlight is being thrown on it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 24, 2010, 10:08:51 PM
Blue falling for liberal propaganda yet again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 24, 2010, 10:12:07 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2010, 10:13:10 PM
Yeah, c'mon Blu. I don't see any of these "threats" on Fox News. Stop drinking the koolaid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
The immigration system and process is completely dysfunctional anyway. It needs reform with our without amnesty, but the reality of the situation is that if you are going to overhaul the immigration process you might as well deal with the huge numbers of undocumented residents/workers (and their families, this is where things get really awkward) at the same time.

I live in an area with a high immigrant population-what we want is for people that are all intents and purposes permanent residents to be able to have the protections/responsibilities of permanent residents under US law.  This isn't about giving away citizenship at the border with a 'si, senor', this is about letting the dude that's been working (and abused by his employers) in the US for years get permanent resident status (with some penalty, in all likelyhood) so he and his family can live his life above, and not under, the table.

It's a hard thing to sell to insulated white people, and even African-Americans, since they don't get the basic rights angle of the whole thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2010, 01:57:26 PM
I have a feeling that most of these undocumented workers will lose their jobs if they take citizenship. Employers will have to pay them minimum wage which is more than they get paid now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on March 25, 2010, 02:01:13 PM
Do employers have to pay taxes on illegals? Or is everything under the book?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2010, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 25, 2010, 01:57:26 PM
I have a feeling that most of these undocumented workers will lose their jobs if they take citizenship. Employers will have to pay them minimum wage which is more than they get paid now.

Someone will either do the work or they won't, if the employer can't pay minimum wage then the work won't get done. The law is the law, though, and the ability to not pay them minimum wage has the side effect of giving them preferential hiring over people who could report wage abuses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2010, 02:17:04 PM
Quote from: pollo on March 25, 2010, 02:01:13 PM
Do employers have to pay taxes on illegals? Or is everything under the book?

Sometimes it is paid under the table no questions asked. Other times there is a fake/stolen SSN used and withholding/taxes are paid (but of course the worker will never get those benefits under current law).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 25, 2010, 04:57:34 PM
Quote

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is no longer.

The Arizona-based border watch group that burst onto the national scene in 2005 sent an email to its members this week announcing the corporation has dissolved.

The group’s president, Carmen Mercer, of Tombstone, said she and the board’s two other directors voted to end the group’s five-year run because they were worried her recent “call to action” would attract the wrong people to the border.

On March 16, Mercer sent out an e-mail urging members to come to the border “locked, loaded and ready” and urged people to bring “long arms.” She proposed changing the group’s rules to allow members to track illegal immigrants and drug smugglers instead of just reporting the activity to the Border Patrol.

“We will forcefully engage, detain, and defend our lives and country from the criminals who trample over our culture and laws,” she wrote in the March 16 e-mail.

Mercer said she received a more feverish response than she expected — 350 personal e-mails she said — and decided the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps couldn’t shoulder the responsibility and liability of what could occur, she said.

“People are ready to come lock and loaded and that’s not what we are all about,” Mercer said. “It only takes one bad apple to destroy everything we’ve done for the last eight years.”

The group formed as Civil Homeland Defense in 2002 and later became the Minuteman Project in April 2005. The named changed again to Minuteman Civil Defense Corps.

To read more, click on the Border Boletín link in the related stories box at top left.

Read more in tomorrow's Arizona Daily Star

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_7d47c702-378b-11df-95cb-001cc4c03286.html
:derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 25, 2010, 05:10:56 PM
Speaking of immigrants, I love how the teabaggers/republicans fought so hard to make sure that the messicans couldn't buy health insurance, thus making sure that they'll get emergency room care while they (the teabaggers/repubs) still foot the bill afterwards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2010, 05:41:23 PM
What Frag said.

The tone of the immigration advocates reflects their message: that they should be considered and treated as full-fledged Americans, rather than second-class residents.  That means they should feel confident in making demands of the government like any other constituency, rather than gratefully accepting whatever "benevolent concessions" the rest of society is willing to dole out to them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 25, 2010, 05:59:37 PM
"government oppression sucks, unless it's oppressing messicans"


where have we heard that before

oh yeah, "states' rights"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2010, 06:12:07 PM
So apparently a package containing the standard "mysterious white powdery substance" showed up at Anthony Weiner's local NYC office, just one day after he went on Bill Orly's show and of course made a fool out of Bill-O.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2010, 06:23:03 PM
Cantor exposed
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/03/not_exactly_dodge_city.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 25, 2010, 07:05:43 PM
Typical hypocritical libruls. Always thinking the crazies are always on the other team. Guess what? For every wacko right winger that says Obama should be lynched, you always have someone on the other end of the spectrum saying he shouldn't. There are wingnuts on both sides of the aisle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2010, 07:34:25 PM
I guess it true!

The truth will set you free! (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001204-503544.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on March 25, 2010, 09:51:54 PM
Quote
I'd be down with this if it was a one-time thing and came along with stricter immigration enforcement in the future.

All sides in the debate see any amnesty as being a one-time thing and that the reform measure of the bill will reduce the amount of new undocumented workers in the US per year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 25, 2010, 11:28:42 PM
Don't corporations like rapidly expanding consumer bases  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 26, 2010, 12:11:43 AM
Maybe they assume that they all voted for Bush.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 26, 2010, 12:18:26 AM
Republicans think that anyone who can't get a job in a recession (number of people>number of jobs) has a social responsibility to start a  small business.  The unemployed have only themselves to blame for not risking a 9/10 failure rate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 12:48:11 AM
GS:  You've got one of the most self-centered political philosophies I've come across.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on March 26, 2010, 12:49:57 AM
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 26, 2010, 12:18:26 AM
Republicans think that anyone who can't get a job in a recession (number of people>number of jobs) has a social responsibility to start a  small business.  The unemployed have only themselves to blame for not risking a 9/10 failure rate.

But this is America.  You can make anything out of yourself if you just have enough elbow grease!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 01:23:55 AM
Nah, they're mostly about what will benefit you and people with whom you identify.

Hence supporting massive government intervention against immigration and opposing it vis drug trafficking.  If only you could snort a Mexican!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2010, 01:35:10 AM
(http://tinyurl.com/y9uxb7y)
"This is why we're here. Because this little white rock sells for 25k a kilo"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 26, 2010, 01:50:36 AM
:rofl
Title: "You don't know me"? Really?
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 02:38:07 AM
Sheesh.  I didn't realize you were gonna take it so personally.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Yes I did.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 03:28:04 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 26, 2010, 03:18:11 AM
What is your stance on this, exactly? That anyone who supports enforcement of immigration laws is a selfish prick?

No, just you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 03:35:21 AM
Summary is here (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1083698#msg1083698).  Longer explanation here (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=829;sa=showPosts).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 03:55:53 AM
I'm pretty satisfied with how I put it.

You support policies that you believe will benefit you and people with whom you identify.  You're part of the American working/middle class, so you support healthcare subsidies and stronger labor and oppose usury.  You're sometimes a recreational drug user, so you think recreational drugs should be legal.  You were born an American, so you want the government to prevent the inflow of labor and the outflow of capital.

Stuff like that "benevolent concession" line is why librul academic types use privilege as a verb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 04:38:03 AM
Yeah, this is why I didn't want to play Internet Debate Club on this.  Nobody in the world wants to hear that their beliefs are inconsistent, dumb, or selfish and 99% of the time the cognitive dissonance is resolved by deciding the other people are meanies and they don't know what a swell guy you really are deep down.

Your politics are pretty selfish and uninformed.  Don't get too bent out of shape, though.  You're in the majority!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2010, 04:46:30 AM
Can't we talk about something constructive, like states rights or natural rights
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 26, 2010, 04:53:49 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 04:38:03 AM
Yeah, this is why I didn't want to play Internet Debate Club on this.  Nobody in the world wants to hear that their beliefs are inconsistent, dumb, or selfish and 99% of the time the cognitive dissonance is resolved by deciding the other people are meanies and they don't know what a swell guy you really are deep down.

Your politics are pretty selfish and uninformed.  Don't get too bent out of shape, though.  You're in the majority!

So what you're saying is that you don't see a problem with insulting someone, then refusing to clarify that insult upon request.

What is the point of calling someone selfish if you're unable to explain why? Was that some kind of stream of consciousness post?

If I, for example, call Mupepe a complete asshole out of the blue, then refuse to explain why he's an asshole, that just makes me look like a real prick, and kind of an idiot to boot, doesn't it?

You made this post after I gave an opinion on the illegal immigration debate, so I'm guessing that's what provoked your little outburst. How exactly is my stance on immigration selfish, inconsistent or dumb?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 26, 2010, 05:13:51 AM
I'm tired but I think he's saying you put a premium on a person getting a first or third world country citizenship based on where their mother's vagina shot them out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 26, 2010, 05:19:27 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 26, 2010, 05:13:51 AM
I'm tired but I think he's saying you put a premium on a person getting a first or third world country citizenship based on where their mother's vagina shot them out.

What alternative would you propose, and what specific policies would you put in place to enact it? Do you foresee any problems with it? If so, how would you deal with them?

Or better yet, let me ask you this:

Do you believe that people from any country should have the right to move to any other country and establish permanent residence there at any time?

If someone moves to a country that provides social entitlements to its citizens, do you believe that person should be able to receive those benefits immediately?

Do you believe that a person who moves to another country should have to learn the country's language in order to gain citizenship?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 26, 2010, 10:14:55 AM
He's saying it because you become enraged at the thought of law enforcement using force to put a stop to drug dealers, but you are ok with law enforcement using "tougher interventions" to prevent people from crossing over a line you can only see a map. If those people are carrying drugs for you to buy later, is it then ok to let them through?

Or because you are willing to "separate the ideal from the process" in the case of murderous drug dealers but unwilling to do so for the people who cross our border every day just trying to find work (but if they are here already then you are ok with it).

Or because you are concerned about an influx of poor people breaking our entitlement system but you are unconcerned about the negative effects of an influx of drug addicts on our entitlement system.

Also on the last page you said you're not an "America is white" guy but you just brought up the language argument. Also on the last page you said you think every country should allow every person to take up residence with no barriers and now you are positioning the opposite argument against am nintenho.

I'm just passing through though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 26, 2010, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 26, 2010, 10:14:55 AM
He's saying it because you become enraged at the thought of law enforcement using force to put a stop to drug dealers, but you are ok with law enforcement using "tougher interventions" to prevent people from crossing over a line you can only see a map. If those people are carrying drugs for you to buy later, is it then ok to let them through?

Or because you are willing to "separate the ideal from the process" in the case of murderous drug dealers but unwilling to do so for the people who cross our border every day just trying to find work (but if they are here already then you are ok with it).

Or because you are concerned about an influx of poor people breaking our entitlement system but you are unconcerned about the negative effects of an influx of drug addicts on our entitlement system.

Also on the last page you said you're not an "America is white" guy but you just brought up the language argument. Also on the last page you said you think every country should allow every person to take up residence with no barriers and now you are positioning the opposite argument against am nintenho.

I'm just passing through though.


  :lol  Dare I say it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 26, 2010, 12:09:57 PM
My own opinions on this are well-documented, and are amplified by actually living at ground zero for awhile. I'm for documenting and legalizing any illegal immigrants currently in the country, but doling out penalties and mandatory back taxes as a result - otherwise, granting them all the rights of a legal citizen. I think the immigration laws need to be reformed in general.

That said, it's tough to get behind people that march with Mexican flags that have no real grasp on the situation and make remarks like, "We had the land first!" In California, while many bring their family here for a better life, many simply take the money back to Mexico - which is where they prefer to stay.

Yes, woe is the day laborer who is being taken advantage of by greedy American capitalists, but what about the ones that have no desire to give back into the system? I don't think you have to be xenophobic or Green Shinobi to understand why that might rub people the wrong way. Especially families whose relatives came here on boats.

Amnesty is band aid, bleeding heart solution that doesn't really help anything. The real solution (i.e. my pipedream) is to spend the time, resources and money to help Mexicans get their country back and assist in setting up a viable economy, instead of bending them over and totally using them for Chiclets. We will never truly have an smooth relationship with Mexico and illegal immigration will continue to persist if the richest country in the world is saddled next to a third-world country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2010, 12:12:52 PM
To say nothing of the whole "we're gonna keep buying drugs from your cartels, thus funding their killing of your cops and shit" problem.  We could legalize most drugs and regulate the rest and just start producing them at home instead of all that bullshit but OMG JUST SAY NO!  Yeah that's worked out really well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 26, 2010, 12:15:18 PM
I'm not necessarily in favor of regulating hard drugs and bringing that kind of turf war to our streets. That sad, there is definitely a case of negligence to blamed on somebody, because the buyers are from here - and why are they not shut down?

I admit they I don't know enough about the border drug trafficking business to make much of a conclusion, but it seems like we're asleep at the wheel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2010, 12:16:06 PM
Awesome.

Quote
BREAKING NEWS
msnbc.com news services
updated 2 minutes ago

South Korea is investigating whether a naval ship sinking off the west coast of the peninsula was hit by a torpedo fired by the North.

The 1,500-ton vessel, which had more than 100 people on board, started sinking between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. local time (8 a.m. to 9 a.m. ET) near the island of Baengnyeong in the Yellow Sea. There were unconfirmed reports it had already sunk.

South Korean broadcaster SBS said many sailors were feared dead. A rescue operation was under way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 26, 2010, 12:18:33 PM
Isn't that essentially the plot of Tomorrow Never Dies? And much like that Bond film, the true villain is undoubtedly Rupert Murdoch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2010, 12:25:32 PM
Last time I was getting ready to go to Japan, North Korea was shooting was missles at them. Now I'm getting ready to go back and they sink a South Korean ship.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 26, 2010, 12:28:41 PM
distantmantra is a spy? :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2010, 12:31:10 PM
I must be.  8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 26, 2010, 02:06:37 PM
(http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms322801/evilbore/gundamspy.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2010, 02:28:59 PM
Quote from: Yeti on March 26, 2010, 02:06:37 PM
(http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms322801/evilbore/gundamspy.jpg)

That's ace.

:bow Yeti :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 26, 2010, 02:30:56 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2010, 02:53:17 PM
:bow Yeti for Icon :bow2
Title: I salute the Admiral
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2010, 04:37:31 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 26, 2010, 10:14:55 AM
He's saying it because you become enraged at the thought of law enforcement using force to put a stop to drug dealers, but you are ok with law enforcement using "tougher interventions" to prevent people from crossing over a line you can only see a map. If those people are carrying drugs for you to buy later, is it then ok to let them through?

Or because you are willing to "separate the ideal from the process" in the case of murderous drug dealers but unwilling to do so for the people who cross our border every day just trying to find work (but if they are here already then you are ok with it).

Or because you are concerned about an influx of poor people breaking our entitlement system but you are unconcerned about the negative effects of an influx of drug addicts on our entitlement system.

Also on the last page you said you're not an "America is white" guy but you just brought up the language argument. Also on the last page you said you think every country should allow every person to take up residence with no barriers and now you are positioning the opposite argument against am nintenho.

I'm just passing through though.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 26, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
Apparently for this November, there were enough signatures on the petition to put recreational marijuana legalization on the ballot.  I just smoke on rare occasions and I hate the wake & bake type of potheads but I'm going to personally vote for it because I think it's a waste of police resources.

But what I'm really interested in is how the commercials against it will go.  Obviously the pro-weed groups will say it's not any worse than alocohol or tobacco and it's taxable and whatever.  But how can the anti-weed groups shape the argument?  They can't say it's any worse than other substances that most Americans have legally consumed.  The biggest con I can see is that maybe this would force drug dealers to move onto non-gateway drugs.

The federal drug czar is apparently not happy about this either but I don't see the federal government really caring.  I mean, this would legalize growing and smoking it for yourself.  That sounds to me like it would be too big to control.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 26, 2010, 06:57:02 PM
Seems James Cameron is kind of redeemed. Apparently he called Glenn Beck a 'fucking asshole'. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 26, 2010, 07:40:28 PM
shamelessly stolen from qt3
(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/iowacityprotester1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2010, 08:23:51 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/palin-everyone-here-today-supporting-john-mccain-we-are-all-part-of-that-tea-party-movement.php?ref=fpb

I wonder what McCain is thinking as she rambles on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 26, 2010, 10:06:05 PM
i hope this works
i hope this works
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 26, 2010, 10:31:38 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 26, 2010, 11:53:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2010, 08:23:51 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/palin-everyone-here-today-supporting-john-mccain-we-are-all-part-of-that-tea-party-movement.php?ref=fpb

I wonder what McCain is thinking as she rambles on

Like he gives a fuck.

One of the more silly images built up earlier in the decade was John McCain the "honorable" man in a sea of dishonorable politicians. Our media sucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:18:56 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 23, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
intellectually, i really dislike the compulsory element of it. prgamatically, i am unsure how this can be implemented well. we shall see!

The mandate's had a weird ride, politically.

During the primaries, it was taken for granted that the mandate was a progressive feature of the Edwards and Clinton health proposals.  There was a lot of commentary at the time about how Obama's plan "doesn't reach universality" or "is to the right of" the others based on that one difference.

But the mandate in the US was originally supported by conservative wonks, and in Australia was pushed by Tory John Howard (http://crookedtimber.org/2008/02/02/health-insurance-mandates/).  I remember a primary debate where Romney had to defend the MA plan he signed, and he singled out the mandate as being conservative.  It's Mitt Romney, so who knows what he actually believed, but he certainly thought that was the part which would play best to a GOP audience.

Obama's advisers believed (http://sentineleffect.wordpress.com/2007/12/01/health-mandates-a-talk-with-obama-health-advisor-david-cutler/) that they could get close enough to full participation without a mandate and avoid adverse selection problems, because of research showing that most of the uninsured are priced out of the market, not that they don't want coverage.  Obama wound up demagoguing the issue against Hillary, being atypically disingenuous about it, but didn't fight against including a mandate in the actual bill.  Sort of surprised the opposition didn't make a bigger deal of his campaign quotes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2010, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 26, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
.  But how can the anti-weed groups shape the argument?  They can't say it's any worse than other substances that most Americans have legally consumed. 

There are plenty of studies that shows links of use to schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. You can say that it is no worse than other legal drugs, but those drugs do not trigger underlying psychosis through casual use.

That's one way to attack it, but I think most Americans think of weed as a safe drug and probably wouldn't respond to it (or change their opinion on it).

I was a heavy user after high school until I was about 23 ... but I would vote against it. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:37:58 AM
M. Night Shyamalan could make a movie about GS.  He wanders the internets annihilating people, only you find out at the end that he's the one constantly getting annihilated and you've been seeing things through his perspective as an unreliable narrator.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:47:23 AM
Since it would be tough to visualize your entire post history, I think they'd use a pullback shot showing the main character spooning a Neytiri love pillow, going out through the window and revealing a world that looked completely different from the one depicted up to this point in the film, accompanied by a mournful and slightly disconcerting cello score.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 27, 2010, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2010, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 26, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
.  But how can the anti-weed groups shape the argument?  They can't say it's any worse than other substances that most Americans have legally consumed. 
There are plenty of studies that shows links of use to schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. You can say that it is no worse than other legal drugs, but those drugs do not trigger underlying psychosis through casual use.
That's one way to attack it, but I think most Americans think of weed as a safe drug and probably wouldn't respond to it (or change their opinion on it).
I was a heavy user after high school until I was about 23 ... but I would vote against it. 
Eh, well do you remember any links to the studies because I want to read through them.  I can totally see a mentally ill person turning to drugs though so it's relevant if it's any different than alcohol consumption and mentally ill people, otherwise it is about as definitive as saying being homeless makes you mentally ill.

what exactly about it's effects make you think it's worth the police's time?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:53:26 AM
While "a study says" is far from definitive, I'm pretty sure the researchers knew to control for whether the person was already diagnosed with a mental disorder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 27, 2010, 01:07:29 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:53:26 AM
While "a study says" is far from definitive, I'm pretty sure the researchers knew to control for whether the person was already diagnosed with a mental disorder.
I don't doubt the researchers' competence but I do doubt how objectively a journalist would report the story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2010, 02:16:57 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 27, 2010, 12:49:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 27, 2010, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on March 26, 2010, 04:57:23 PM
.  But how can the anti-weed groups shape the argument?  They can't say it's any worse than other substances that most Americans have legally consumed. 
There are plenty of studies that shows links of use to schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. You can say that it is no worse than other legal drugs, but those drugs do not trigger underlying psychosis through casual use.
That's one way to attack it, but I think most Americans think of weed as a safe drug and probably wouldn't respond to it (or change their opinion on it).
I was a heavy user after high school until I was about 23 ... but I would vote against it. 
Eh, well do you remember any links to the studies because I want to read through them.  I can totally see a mentally ill person turning to drugs though so it's relevant if it's any different than alcohol consumption and mentally ill people, otherwise it is about as definitive as saying being homeless makes you mentally ill.

Here's a collection of 30+ different studies that find links:
http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention/streetdrugs.html#can

Here's one that is especially damning:
http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/002684.html



I only take a great interest in the topic because my college (era) roommate was a wake&baker and slowly developed into a schizo over the course of the years I lived with him. Marijuana did a great job in "muting" his paranoia, but it seemed to make his sober state worse and worse as the years went on. I didn't think much of it at the time, because in 1996 no one really wrote about it. It wasn't until the past 6 or 7 years that I have seen all these studies pop up that it made me radically change my opinion on weed.

But it's kind of one of those chicken or the egg things. Did the weed make him worse, or did he seek more weed because he was getting worse? I guess you could say the same about any drug.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2010, 04:25:21 AM
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003260027
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on March 27, 2010, 09:20:25 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2010, 12:59:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:47:23 AM
Since it would be tough to visualize your entire post history, I think they'd use a pullback shot showing the main character spooning a Neytiri love pillow, going out through the window and revealing a world that looked completely different from the one depicted up to this point in the film, accompanied by a mournful and slightly disconcerting cello score.

You are really losing your edge. I had hoped to argue against the real Mandark, not this lazy, half-assed version of you.

You've annihilated enough people to know how it's done. Even if a guy makes the most self-contradicting, convoluted post ever, you can't just pre-assume annihilation. You have to actually do the work.

Furthermore, do you not see how ludicrous it is to argue against my stance on illegal immigration using almost exclusively my stance on the legalization of drugs? Imagine for a moment that I was either completely against drugs, or I had never made any posts on the matter, and you had no idea what my stance on drugs was. What would you say to me then? Answer that question and you'll have made a real argument for the first time in this debate.

 :lol

Sorry, Mandark, you're losing your edge.  You can't be lazy and half-ass it against GS.  You have to be at the top of your game to be able to go toe-to-toe with his 160 IQ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 27, 2010, 10:33:06 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2010, 12:34:21 AM
Quote
I'm just passing through though.
And getting completely destroyed.

nah

Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2010, 12:59:16 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2010, 12:47:23 AM
Since it would be tough to visualize your entire post history, I think they'd use a pullback shot showing the main character spooning a Neytiri love pillow, going out through the window and revealing a world that looked completely different from the one depicted up to this point in the film, accompanied by a mournful and slightly disconcerting cello score.

You've annihilated enough people to know how it's done. Even if a guy makes the most self-contradicting, convoluted post ever, you can't just pre-assume annihilation. You have to actually do the work.


I'm sure Mandark is really eager to 'put in the work' after I teed off on your face and you came back with exactly the same bluster. My post was more about demonstrating why it is a waste of time to get into the trenches with you than anything else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2010, 11:05:14 AM
You know, sometimes I wonder why exactly GS hasn't ever caught on that when like EVERYONE BUT YOU is saying the same exact thing, perhaps it's you and your perception of reality that aren't quite jiving with how things really are.  But then I remember that he's really into prog rock and it all makes sense!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2010, 11:41:55 AM
The prosecution rests re: prog rock, your honor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2010, 11:50:09 AM
The prosecution would like to point out that the lead singer of Rush, Geddy Lee, has a "singing" voice that approximates the noise an elf makes while getting tortured. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2010, 11:58:42 AM
The prosecution will readily admit to being under the influence of more than one psychotropic drug at the time of the incident... however, the prosecution would like to note that the elves in question were being tortured by being forced to read Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 27, 2010, 01:01:22 PM
I'm not in alignment with JD's politics, but his stance on elves is right on.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2010, 01:23:02 PM
Also his apparent dwarf fetish- dwarves love GOLD after all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 27, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
yeah, i think jd has elves nailed dead-to-rights, and i'd like to thank both him and triumph for saving us from the gruesome tragedy that is green shinobi's last n posts in this thread

also, rush :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2010, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 27, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
also, rush :rock

What do you know, Prole... you like Tool.  TOOL!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 27, 2010, 07:03:43 PM
:rock tool :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 27, 2010, 08:00:14 PM
I also enjoy Rush and Tool.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 27, 2010, 08:47:53 PM
oh yeah, me too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 27, 2010, 08:53:57 PM
libertarians, jews, aging hipsters, and weeboos unite against triumph under the banner of prog rock :usa

come, join us in the court of crimson king, hippie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 27, 2010, 10:10:23 PM
We should start a prog rock party to unite the country :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Vizzys on March 27, 2010, 10:19:17 PM
[youtube=560,345]5nmOMo4OPi4[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Eric P on March 27, 2010, 10:48:32 PM
Oh god I was kidding.  The most progressive music I like is free jazz. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 28, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
can someone take Old Yeller out back to the shed already? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2010, 12:28:11 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 27, 2010, 08:53:57 PM
libertarians, jews, aging hipsters, and weeboos unite against triumph under the banner of prog rock :usa

come, join us in the court of crimson king, hippie

I like GOOD prog rock, like you know King Crimson and Radiohead's proggier (is that a word? it is now!) stuff.  However, I'm totally in the camp of "just because playing that shit is difficult doesn't make it GOOD" as far as music appreciation goes.  And Rush is turrible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 28, 2010, 12:43:15 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 23, 2010, 06:16:25 PM
intellectually, i really dislike the compulsory element of it. prgamatically, i am unsure how this can be implemented well. we shall see!

some of us are going to be seeing a helluva lot more than others
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 28, 2010, 11:42:31 AM
[youtube=560,345]RpOUctySD68[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2010, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on March 27, 2010, 11:05:14 AM
You know, sometimes I wonder why exactly GS hasn't ever caught on that when like EVERYONE BUT YOU is saying the same exact thing, perhaps it's you and your perception of reality that aren't quite jiving with how things really are.  But then I remember that he's really into prog rock and it all makes sense!

Okay. First of all, what exactly are my apparent opponents in this "debate" actually saying? Neither Mandark nor Viscen has offered any explanation of why my position on the issue of illegal immigration is wrong or ignorant. I have no idea of where either of them stand on the matter, because they haven't said ANYTHING, other than that I'm a selfish person because of the opinion I have.

Also, I'm not hugely into prog. I like King Crimson, Genesis, Pink Floyd and Tool, and I like a few Rush songs.

Quote from: Professor Prole on March 27, 2010, 03:05:06 PM
yeah, i think jd has elves nailed dead-to-rights, and i'd like to thank both him and triumph for saving us from the gruesome tragedy that is green shinobi's last n posts in this thread

Why exactly are my recent posts a gruesome tragedy? Because I think that the ability to move to a completely different country, live and work there and use social services provided by that country's government is a privilege and not a right? Because while I do support controlled, legal immigration, I don't think a complete open-door policy in the U.S. would work?

If you feel that such a position is in some way ignorant, selfish or mean-spirited, by all means, explain why.

Quote from: JayDubya on March 27, 2010, 11:32:13 AM
I'm really sure the mob-ee could be making his points better.

I'm sure I could have, if I had really gone into this with that intention. Initially I was commenting solely on certain mindsets and attitudes of a few immigration reform advocates that I happened to find fault with. Didn't even intend to have a debate until I got hit out of the blue with a completely unprovoked and, frankly, a pretty damn personal, petty and mean-spirited insult from Mandark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 28, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
your last n posts are a sad spectacle because of your tragically butthurt tone. personally, i'm not even following either set of arguments; i'm just pissed that you can't roll with a few sucker punches and have effectively derailed our political thread in order to salve your soul hurtin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 28, 2010, 09:16:59 PM
Tool rocks.  I have all their albums.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 28, 2010, 09:18:05 PM
i'll keep diggin'

'till i feel something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 28, 2010, 09:21:01 PM
Save the carrots! Let the rabbits wear glasses!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 28, 2010, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 27, 2010, 11:32:55 PM
You teed off on my face, Viscen?  ::)

None of what you said attempted to address my stance on illegal immigration AT ALL. You're a fucking joke, man.


Didn't have to. You asked for Mandark's reasons for describing your politics as self-centered and I gave them to you. I don't even necessarily have to disagree with your views on immigration. I certainly don't care to debate them.

Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 28, 2010, 01:03:13 AM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on March 28, 2010, 12:02:19 AM
can someone take Old Yeller out back to the shed already? 

Yeah, Viscen's schtick is getting pretty tired, isn't it?

About as tired as Ichirou's mom after I fucked her!!!! :lol :rofl :lol :rofl

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 28, 2010, 11:02:21 PM
Did you really fuck my mom? :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 28, 2010, 11:04:56 PM
 8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 28, 2010, 11:09:51 PM
:spitzer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 28, 2010, 11:13:35 PM
I watched. :ninja
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2010, 11:58:39 PM
Were you dressed up as Santa Claus when you fucked Ichi's mom?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 29, 2010, 12:00:28 AM
That would explain a lot of things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on March 29, 2010, 02:12:08 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 28, 2010, 11:13:35 PM
I watched. :ninja
Would you choke her if she wanted it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 29, 2010, 02:54:20 AM
funny how when you ignore provokation the thread goes unshitted, eh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 29, 2010, 07:18:12 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on March 29, 2010, 02:12:08 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on March 28, 2010, 11:13:35 PM
I watched. :ninja
Would you choke her if she wanted it?

Willco would be too busy choking his chicken. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 29, 2010, 10:32:20 AM
Who's talking about drug use or legalization? We were talking about your views on the use of "tougher interventions" in police activity. But no one really cares anymore I don't think.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on March 29, 2010, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 29, 2010, 10:32:20 AM
Who's talking about drug use or legalization? We were talking about your views on the use of "tougher interventions" in police activity. But no one really cares anymore I don't think.

No, you're just contradicting yourself left and right and making your self-applied tag look fucking stupid beyond belief, but you're right, no one cares. I'm done talking about this shit. If anyone wants to actually talk about immigration, I'd be game.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
Tea Parties are going broke.

the market works
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 29, 2010, 11:10:55 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on March 29, 2010, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 29, 2010, 10:32:20 AM
Who's talking about drug use or legalization? We were talking about your views on the use of "tougher interventions" in police activity. But no one really cares anymore I don't think.

No, you're just contradicting yourself left and right and making your self-applied tag look fucking stupid beyond belief, but you're right, no one cares. I'm done talking about this shit. If anyone wants to actually talk about immigration, I'd be game.

Are my posts really long enough to contain contradictions? Did I even come up with my tag?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
no
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Quote from: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
Tea Parties are going broke.

the market works

For realsies? What link do you have?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 29, 2010, 11:15:58 AM
Don't you think if someone believed their political views were truly unselfish, that they wouldn't need to defend them with such fervor to people they have never met via the Internet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 29, 2010, 11:16:06 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
Tea Parties are going broke.

the market works

Their member's gov't benefits can only stretch so far :usacry :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 11:52:09 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 29, 2010, 11:10:55 AM


Quote from: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
Tea Parties are going broke.

the market works

For realsies? What link do you have?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704734304575120362014554880.html

going broke is base hyperbole
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 29, 2010, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
Tea Parties are going broke.

the market works
Not only that, they are affecting their communities too:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6932410.htmlT

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But Texas can only get those seats, and the congressional clout that comes with it, if Texans stand up to be counted. Any conservative revolt would only reduce the representation in conservative areas of the state, such as rural Texas and the outer rings of suburbs surrounding its largest cities.
Loss of seats and money

What's more, an under-count in Texas could cost the state more than just representation.

For every Texan missed, the state will lose an estimated $12,000 over the next decade in federal funding for transportation, agriculture, health, education, and housing, said Frances Deviney, director of Texas Kids Count, a nonpartisan group in Austin.

Deviney says Texas could lose “hundreds of millions of dollars in lost opportunities” because of uncounted residents.

“We've got that hard-to-count element, along with these fringe (anti-government) groups that are advocating resistance,” she said. “They think they are hurting the government. They are really hurting themselves and their communities.”

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2010, 01:11:46 PM
[youtube=560,345]_YRQlUsdA3U[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 01:16:55 PM
it's not about race

it's about making certain that people call in on the right line

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on March 29, 2010, 01:59:43 PM
"I know they have an opinion, but...."


 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 29, 2010, 02:53:44 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 29, 2010, 01:16:55 PM
it's not about race

it's about making certain that people call in on the right line



Black people aren't independents or republicans, they're democrats - they're not calling on the right line!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2010, 03:15:50 PM
was kinda expecting/hoping for the obvious coon-span instead of the boring black-span
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 29, 2010, 05:59:57 PM
I'm pretty sure that is the same exact guy who called Jimmy Dean in order to complain about their 12 oz. sausage rolls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 29, 2010, 08:21:02 PM
I wake of the militias getting busted today, lest we forget:

[youtube=560,345]fL7iY5uarA8[/youtube]

:wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 29, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
Shepherd Smith :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on March 29, 2010, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2010, 03:15:50 PM
was kinda expecting/hoping for the obvious coon-span instead of the boring black-span

I think it's great that he's playing on stereotypes yet he sounds like EXACTLY the type of person I'd imagine would make that call.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 30, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
Was listening to internet radio and saw this ad. Don't usually post in political threads, mostly just lurk, but had to post this.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/30xa7og.jpg)
Title: Brings me back
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2010, 04:12:02 PM
"Possibly Obama just hates Israel and hates Jews. That’s plausible — certainly nothing in his actions suggests otherwise, really."

- Glenn "Instapundit" Reynolds



I remember the early days of political blogs, when he was treated like some evenhanded, centrist referee between left and right.  Even now I think he self-describes as an independent libertarian.
Title: Re: Brings me back
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2010, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 30, 2010, 04:12:02 PM
Even now I think he self-describes as an independent libertarian.

Whenever I see someone describe themselves as a "independent libertarian" that's my warning signal that 9 times out of 10 they are bat shit insane.

But then I feel the same way generally about Nader-ites.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 30, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
The thing I can't get over with Reynolds is how fucking stupid he always comes off as.  How is he a law professor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2010, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 30, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
The thing I can't get over with Reynolds is how fucking stupid he always comes off as.  How is he a law professor?

The same way Obama was a constitutional professor :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 30, 2010, 06:23:45 PM
quotas?

no, that doesn't make any sense
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 30, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
Remember during the Bush administration when something like treason was considered a bad thing? No? Well, neither do these guys. (http://firedoglake.com/2010/03/29/in-the-wake-of-arrests-in-three-states-right-wingers-rush-to-defend-terror-suspects-criticize-fbi/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 30, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
Quote
Last time I looked, wanting to start a civil war (insane as it is) was not a crime

dot dot dot
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2010, 07:03:44 PM
Those quotes might as well say "How can you commit treason against an illegitimate government?" Anti-government/president rhetoric has been in existence for ages but it still surprises me how careless and ignorant (and hypocritical) it sounds right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 30, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
The Onion says what I've been saying for a long time: let's get rid of the Senate. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-government-to-save-billions-by-cutting-wasteful,17171/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 30, 2010, 07:56:47 PM
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_america_yearning_for_fascism_20100329/ -- a bit OMG DOOMSDAY but some good points nonetheless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2010, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 30, 2010, 07:56:47 PM
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_america_yearning_for_fascism_20100329/ -- a bit OMG DOOMSDAY but some good points nonetheless
Meh. It's easy to say that both parties are of the same corrupt system. Except that it's clearly been defined over the past 30 years that Democrats are willing to tackle pressing social issues while republicans just care about lining their rich buddies' wallets. The enlargement of corporate welfare by the Dem's at least has a positive social effect whereas repubs hold obvious contempt toward the  ~90% of Americans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 30, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 30, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
Remember during the Bush administration when something like treason was considered a bad thing? No? Well, neither do these guys. (http://firedoglake.com/2010/03/29/in-the-wake-of-arrests-in-three-states-right-wingers-rush-to-defend-terror-suspects-criticize-fbi/)

Here's what I say to the conspirators and those apologists.  This is going to be vulgar and emotional:

FUCK these murderous, paranoid, FUCKS.  You call yourselves Christians?  You think you're doing God's work?

God is, at this moment, preparing a very special level of hell for you cuntrags.  

It is written "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God", and you, you murderous shitheads thought you were doing righteous work by planning to slaughter them during the most solemn event that exists in their profession?  Fuck you

God Bless the FBI, the agents who worked this case, for keeping members of our brotherhood safe, and for doing the work which will hopefully see these slugs rot in prison for the rest of their sad, pathetic lives.

And to those "pundits" in that link, falling all over themselves to politicize and defend and minimize this incident:

Fuck you just as much.  I never want to hear the faintest breath out of any of you about "supporting our troops".  I don't want to see so much as a gawdamned yellow ribbon on your car.  I don't want to hear a word about support for law enforcement from any of you for the rest of your miserable lives, because you're a bunch of snakes who are more concerned with snark and political point-scoring than the gawdamned lives of the people sworn to protect you, and who you would otherwise make vacuous professions of support for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 30, 2010, 08:48:24 PM
:bow boogie :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 30, 2010, 07:56:47 PM
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_america_yearning_for_fascism_20100329/ -- a bit OMG DOOMSDAY but some good points nonetheless

EHHH

There must be some fallacy related to everyone constantly citing GODDAM POLLS as if its indicative of major reprocussions down the road.  Let's not start worrying until there's large groups of people literally starving to death.  In the mean time politics is just background noise for the majority of folks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 30, 2010, 09:59:16 PM
The polls only supplement the key indicator, which is the tone of the rhetoric coming from the right.  It's unsettling just how alienated this entire segment of the population is.  I don't think past economic recessions (or even depressions) have produced this kind of vitriol and distrust in our modern day institutions (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong). 

At the moment it's just not nearly enough people to generate a real threat, which is why I think the author is a bit more alarmed then he really needs to be.  The economy is slowly recovering, and is likely to continue to do so, and that will calm things down alot.  And hopefully in a couple decades we'll look back and see all this as a bunch of bigoted old fogies mourning the end of their generation. 

But yeah, I'm totally down with a New Left, if it comes to that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2010, 10:45:07 PM
I just want to know how all these free market people were tricked into protecting a monopoly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 30, 2010, 10:47:50 PM
because GUBMINT!!!!111111one
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 30, 2010, 10:56:41 PM
How come the teabagger types who are terrified of big government cause of the fear that it might somehow become corrupt and turn into a totalitarian state support increased defense spending? Wouldn't you want the army to not be powerful enough to suppress you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 30, 2010, 11:11:32 PM
because MUSLINS!!!!!!11111one
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2010, 11:18:00 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 30, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
Remember during the Bush administration when something like treason was considered a bad thing? No? Well, neither do these guys. (http://firedoglake.com/2010/03/29/in-the-wake-of-arrests-in-three-states-right-wingers-rush-to-defend-terror-suspects-criticize-fbi/)

Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on March 30, 2010, 09:59:16 PM
The polls only supplement the key indicator, which is the tone of the rhetoric coming from the right.  It's unsettling just how alienated this entire segment of the population is.  I don't think past economic recessions (or even depressions) have produced this kind of vitriol and distrust in our modern day institutions (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong). 

At the moment it's just not nearly enough people to generate a real threat, which is why I think the author is a bit more alarmed then he really needs to be.  The economy is slowly recovering, and is likely to continue to do so, and that will calm things down alot.  And hopefully in a couple decades we'll look back and see all this as a bunch of bigoted old fogies mourning the end of their generation. 

But yeah, I'm totally down with a New Left, if it comes to that.

I'm down with a new left too. But I think the whole situation is overblown.  I'm kinda a reductionist, so all I'm seeing is a bunch of folks unhappy with a black man telling them what to do.  They also need a scapegoat for the economic downturn.  They have no justifiable rationale to scourn him, so they get spoon fed all the tea bagger talking points and run with it. In their minds its the closest thing they have for legitimising their irrational hatred when its out in public.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: brawndolicious on March 30, 2010, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on March 30, 2010, 07:01:55 PM
Quote
Last time I looked, wanting to start a civil war (insane as it is) was not a crime
dot dot dot
I think the guy somehow mixed up freedom of speech with secession.  and typed that out and saw nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 30, 2010, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: EmCeeGrammar on March 30, 2010, 11:40:59 PM
I'm down with a new left too. But I think the whole situation is overblown.  I'm kinda a reductionist, so all I'm seeing is a bunch of folks unhappy with a black man telling them what to do.  They also need a scapegoat for the economic downturn.  They have no justifiable rationale to scourn him, so they get spoon fed all the tea bagger talking points and run with it. In their minds its the closest thing they have for legitimising their irrational hatred when its out in public.

I'm old and cynical so I feel like I've been hearing variations of the "new left's" we're sick of it and its time to create a real liberal party variation all my life. I respect it I suppose and intellectually I even agree but that's not the way politics works in this country in my lifetime at least. And worse I fear if it was ever to gain any real power all you would end up with is two extremely weak "liberal" parties while Republicans coast their way to victory after victory. Change is slow. Damn slow. I personally always think people want and expect it too fast.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 31, 2010, 01:29:02 AM
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4060/4468909491_b3db409f60.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2010, 01:36:06 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 31, 2010, 01:29:02 AM
weird.jpg
They are right though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2010, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on March 30, 2010, 09:59:16 PM
The polls only supplement the key indicator, which is the tone of the rhetoric coming from the right.  It's unsettling just how alienated this entire segment of the population is.  I don't think past economic recessions (or even depressions) have produced this kind of vitriol and distrust in our modern day institutions (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong).

It's as American as apple pie. (http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/0014706)  I remember the early 90's being fairly crazy too, though we didn't have Youtube and camera phones to document it quite as well.

What's interesting to me about that truthdig piece is how little you'd need to change to make it a David Brooks op-ed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 31, 2010, 01:53:14 AM
david brooks doesn't have a monopoly on handwringing -- in fact, for awhile, it was the exclusive domain of lefty pundits! (then david frum caught the virus.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2010, 02:25:21 AM
It's the specific type of handwringing though.

"The displays of inchoate anger, along with poll numbers showing disapproval of the government, are a direct result of the government's failure.  Both parties are equally culpable, mired as they are in a stale left-right paradigm, and the people yearn for a new political movement that will coincidentally reflect my own preferences."

Hedges seems to want a socialist utopia, while Brooks wants a government (http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/10/opinion/10brooks.html?_r=1) based on the Lieberman-McCain bromance which would presumably deregulate corporations and build giant-ass statues (http://goaheadsueme.blogspot.com/2005/03/return-to-national-greatness-manifesto.html) of Edmund Burke.  But they agree on how we're gonna get there:  magical thinking!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 31, 2010, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 30, 2010, 07:56:47 PM
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/is_america_yearning_for_fascism_20100329/ -- a bit OMG DOOMSDAY but some good points nonetheless

As a college-educated liberal (part of a demographic he suggests ought to shoulder a large share of the blame?) I hold myself unaccountable for the stupidity, racism, and potential violence of right-wing extremists and Tea Party nutbags.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 31, 2010, 12:26:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 31, 2010, 01:50:58 AM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on March 30, 2010, 09:59:16 PM
The polls only supplement the key indicator, which is the tone of the rhetoric coming from the right.  It's unsettling just how alienated this entire segment of the population is.  I don't think past economic recessions (or even depressions) have produced this kind of vitriol and distrust in our modern day institutions (although I'd be happy to be proven wrong).

It's as American as apple pie. (http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/0014706)

Thanks.  This article owns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 31, 2010, 12:33:11 PM
DRILL BABY DRILL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2010, 01:08:52 PM
republicans don't like the plan. shocking development!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2010, 01:41:30 PM
http://twitter.com/llcoolj/status/11344726168

Quote
Fox lifted an old interview I gave in 2008 to someone else & are misrepresenting to the public in order to promote Sarah Palins Show. WOW

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 31, 2010, 02:23:58 PM
[youtube=560,345]PP0AY4PNVlg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 31, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/m43zR.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 31, 2010, 02:39:16 PM
says it all really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 31, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
too much boob; couldn't read
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 31, 2010, 05:25:46 PM
RoboJ AVATAR lovin' fur-cigarillo confirmed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 31, 2010, 05:44:31 PM
Real talk: if I were to rank the races, I'd put blues at the bottom.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Greens at the top.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/qy8o4z.jpg)

 :drool
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 31, 2010, 05:50:59 PM
Well green skin means that it absorbs blue and red light.  So she's probably attracted to either Jake Sully or Hell Boy.  The train of thought has left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2010, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 31, 2010, 01:41:30 PM
http://twitter.com/llcoolj/status/11344726168

Quote
Fox lifted an old interview I gave in 2008 to someone else & are misrepresenting to the public in order to promote Sarah Palins Show. WOW

 :lol

Even Tobey Keith is slamming this shit
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/toby-keith-also-backs-away-from-sarah-palins-fox-news-special.php?ref=fpb

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 01, 2010, 12:57:59 AM
Quote
Real American Stories features uplifting tales about overcoming adversity and we believe Mr. Smith's interview fit that criteria. However, as it appears that Mr. Smith does not want to be associated with a program that could serve as an inspiration to others, we are cutting his interview from the special and wish him the best with his fledgling acting career.
LL Cool J ethered  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 01, 2010, 01:26:29 AM
Palin warns of 'Second Holocaust' if Iran gains nuclear weapons

Washington (CNN) – Just minutes after the clock expired on the first day of Passover, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin issued a biting critique of the Obama administration's Middle-East policy via her Facebook page.

In a post entitled "Peace Not Possible if Iran Escapes Real Sanctions," Palin accuses President Obama of dropping the pursuit of "crippling" sanctions against Iran and treating Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu like an "unwelcome guest" during a recent visit to Washington.

"[J]ust as the Obama administration inexplicably gives up on imposing crippling sanctions on Iran, it's taken an uncompromising hard line against one country in the Middle East: Israel," Palin writes. "On his recent visit to Washington, the Israeli Prime Minister was treated like an unwelcome guest, as shown by White House actions such as refusing to be photographed with Israel's Prime Minister."


Palin argues that the Obama administration's actions have failed to rein in Tehran's nuclear ambitions, and that more than one year into Obama's presidency, his administration has made "no progress" on sanctions.

"The Obama administration has their priorities exactly backwards; we should be working with our friend and democratic ally to stop Iran's nuclear program, not throwing in the towel on sanctions while treating Israel like an enemy."

Palin warns that the consequences of a nuclear Iran would be devastating for Israel.

"Iran's leaders have repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them, the mullahs would be in a position to launch a Second Holocaust," Palin writes.

"We foresee a regional nuclear arms race beginning as other countries seek their own nuclear weapons to protect themselves from Iran. Nuclear non-proliferation efforts would be over," she added.

Last week, President Obama met at the White House with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in a meeting that was closed to the press. Netanyahu also met with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Vice President Joe Biden during his trip to Washington.

The Israeli leader met with administration officials after a show of solidarity with leaders of Congress from both parties, during which he thanked the U.S. lawmakers for their "constant support" and "unflagging" friendship.

Netanyahu's visit came amid a row over Israel's decision to build new Jewish housing on disputed land in East Jerusalem.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 01, 2010, 01:33:57 AM
that would be more troubling if I didn't have the nagging feeling that Sarah Palin would actually really like a second Holocaust.

If only it could be targeted at people darker then Jews, and it'd be perfect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2010, 01:38:27 AM
Sarah Palin believes that part of the requirements for making the end days come about involves having Jews in Israel; it's the entire basis of her crazy support for the state.  Hagee thinks the same thing; remember when he got into deep shit during the election for saying that Hitler was an agent of the lord or whatever for helping get Jews back to Israel?  Yeah, there you go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2010, 01:40:51 AM
Which is hilarious because the bible is pretty clear on the whole "dudes, no one knows when the rapture is gonna happen so chill out" front.

The idea that Obama is treating Israel like an enemy is ridiculous. Too bad we can't just cut all foreign aid for a year, and tell them they can get back on 'murica welfare a few months after they make some progress with the Palestinians. But that'll never happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 01, 2010, 01:42:01 AM
I just find it lulzy that Sarah Palin is criticizing Obama on foreign policy.  This from a woman who never even traveled outside the United States until the presidential elections. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2010, 01:47:07 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on April 01, 2010, 12:57:59 AM
Quote
Real American Stories features uplifting tales about overcoming adversity and we believe Mr. Smith's interview fit that criteria. However, as it appears that Mr. Smith does not want to be associated with a program that could serve as an inspiration to others, we are cutting his interview from the special and wish him the best with his fledgling acting career.
LL Cool J ethered  :'(

Fox News. Truly the network of emulating your bitchy younger sister.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2010, 01:51:05 AM
As far as the Israel stuff its to be expected. Republicans (and unfortunately a healthy number of dumb-ass democrats) treat any hint of anything approaching criticism of Israel as the worst sort of antisemitism.

It's simply a political football issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 01, 2010, 03:20:53 AM
now Toby Keith is raising hackles over getting the LL Cool J treatment on Palin's show. (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b174457_fox_news_sarah_palin_promo_shock__awes.html?utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_tv-movies)  They pulled the same trick with him.

Crikey, they've gotta be paying that moose nugget connosiour a fat sack of cash, couldn't Fox have spent just a little money on actually producing her program?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 01, 2010, 07:23:40 AM
Even if Israel talk has always been slightly skewed by people not wanting to say what they'd say about any other country, goddamn the dumb has ratcheted up lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 01, 2010, 11:53:59 AM
:bow jaydubya :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
I never thought I'd do this, but:

:bow Bill O'Riley (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/bill-oreilly-to-pay-court_n_520669.html) :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2010, 11:56:00 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 01, 2010, 07:23:40 AM
Even if Israel talk has always been slightly skewed by people not wanting to say what they'd say about any other country, goddamn the dumb has ratcheted up lately.

After 9/11 any issue remotely related to "defense" has had the dumb quotient ratcheted up immensely. Israel is just such an issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2010, 12:30:16 PM
Israel is a whole separate bag of donuts imo.  Not only do you get slammed for being "soft on turrists" if you don't want to continue unilaterally supporting Israel and encouraging them to blow people up over there, you get called an anti-semite if you say that hey, maybe it would be cool if Israel didn't shoot unarmed women and children in Gaza.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2010, 01:58:58 PM
I'm going to fucking hurl
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/mixed-message-party-bucking-blanche-lincoln-boasts-of-helping-obama-to-black-audience.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 01, 2010, 08:05:10 PM
Ughh

Ughh

...I guess this is part of success having a million fathers and failure being an orphan. If she wants to get aboard the hope/change express well then let's let her, even if we haven't forgotten she's a total shitbag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2010, 08:21:27 PM
She's not even on the bus though. She's setting up roadblocks with her hands while praising the bus's progress. Fuck that

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 01, 2010, 08:56:40 PM
Breaking news: Israeli jets are bombing targets in Gaza.

wtf Netanyahu?  Need to show off your peen?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 01, 2010, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 01, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
I never thought I'd do this, but:

:bow Bill O'Riley (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/bill-oreilly-to-pay-court_n_520669.html) :bow2


Check the date this was posted. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 01, 2010, 10:07:40 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/three-congressmen-defy-gop-earmark-ban-face-losing-committee-seats.php

ron paul: both for and against the redistribution of his constituents' wealth!

RON PAUL

RON PAUL

RON PAUL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 01, 2010, 09:46:49 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 01, 2010, 11:54:19 AM
I never thought I'd do this, but:

:bow Bill O'Riley (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/bill-oreilly-to-pay-court_n_520669.html) :bow2


Check the date this was posted. :smug

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2ciinid.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 01, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2010, 01:58:58 PM
I'm going to fucking hurl
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/mixed-message-party-bucking-blanche-lincoln-boasts-of-helping-obama-to-black-audience.php


I respect her because she's at least upfront about how little she values her black constituents unlike most white liberals.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2010, 11:09:36 PM
Ha she sent out another ad, presumably for white folk people in the know bragging about stopping the public option and cap n trade

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 02, 2010, 12:16:12 AM
[youtube=560,345]zNZczIgVXjg  [/youtube]


 :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2010, 09:56:55 AM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on April 02, 2010, 12:14:23 AM
I can't believe we allow this bullshit in American society.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/02/business/economy/02garnish.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/02/business/economy/02garnish.html?hp)

Wage garnishment :piss2
American bankruptcy system :piss2
Creditors shitting on poor people who have already paid far more than the original debt in interest :piss2

There are those who believe that Bernie Madoff only went to jail because he ripped off rich people. Whereas no one received punishment for causing 2Great 2Depressing because they were just ripping off the filthy poors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 02, 2010, 10:32:40 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 02, 2010, 12:16:12 AM
[youtube=560,345]zNZczIgVXjg  [youtube]


 :-X

meh

There's a subset of people that get into politics not because they're Type A overachivers, but because they're teh crazy, he looks like the latter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2010, 02:36:05 PM
Is it any coincidence that the month I got a job, the economy had it's greatest job creation ever in three years? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 02, 2010, 02:38:19 PM
Not really. I believe census hiring accounts for most of the spike, as evident by the fact that unemployment numbers remain unchanged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2010, 02:42:41 PM
a brotha can't even make a job without the real talk brigade crashing the party

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 02, 2010, 02:44:40 PM
I thought the census hiring was only 48,000 out of the 162,000 created.

 Still a significant chunk.



....on a related note, I need one of those jobs. 

Being unemployed.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 02, 2010, 02:51:10 PM
Anyone see that chick from Fox Business on the Daily show yesterday? I'd love to regulate her derivatives. :drool :drool :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2010, 02:51:27 PM
Yea apparently they were expected to hire 100k. Maybe the hiring process will continue though; my training starts on monday, but the job doesn't begin until middle-late April for us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 02, 2010, 03:29:15 PM
Okay, so most what's been used by the stimulus so far was the tax cut portion, right? Actual spending has been very little up til this year where it's supposed to ramp up, no? If that's the case, does this mean that the repubs were right and tax cuts are in fact the answer afterall?  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 02, 2010, 03:41:37 PM
(http://delong.typepad.com/.a/6a00e551f0800388340120a54859c2970b-pi)

The big worry is that the stimulus is winding down this year, maybe before the economy is really growing on its own again.  For whatever reason, job growth has lagged behind GDP growth really badly in every recession since 1990, and nobody seems to have figured out why.

Plus states are still feeling the squeeze.  Losing the extra fed money means firing more police, teachers, etc.

And there's no chance of a substantial second stimulus, just tiny piecemeal bills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
Obama is proving why Communism doesn't work.

Mitt Romney is the new Ronald Reagan.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 03, 2010, 02:42:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 02, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
Mitt Romney is the new Ronald Reagan.
Well he's got the hair and insubstantial-ness, but lacks the charisma and crappy acting career.

Give him a decade or so to work on his avuncular patter and give him a laugh-track filled sitcom and he'll be just fine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2010, 02:45:07 AM
In a tolerant America he would have won the presidency in 08  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 03, 2010, 02:55:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2010, 02:45:07 AM
In a tolerant America he would have won the presidency in 08  :'(
shit man, we elected a radical Muslim socialist, what more do you want?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 03, 2010, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 02, 2010, 03:29:15 PM
Okay, so most what's been used by the stimulus so far was the tax cut portion, right? Actual spending has been very little up til this year where it's supposed to ramp up, no? If that's the case, does this mean that the repubs were right and tax cuts are in fact the answer afterall?  :'(

Anyone?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 04, 2010, 12:17:54 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 03, 2010, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 02, 2010, 03:29:15 PM
Okay, so most what's been used by the stimulus so far was the tax cut portion, right? Actual spending has been very little up til this year where it's supposed to ramp up, no? If that's the case, does this mean that the repubs were right and tax cuts are in fact the answer afterall?  :'(

Anyone?

I can't find a link, but not a lot of actual SPENDING has happened from the stimulus.  I think something close to 200 billion is supposed to be spent this year, most of it in the second half of the year.  I do know for a fact that several construction projects around town here in Wilmington funded by the stimulus have just started up in the past month or so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 04, 2010, 03:17:29 AM
A good chunk of the actual spending occurred last year (212 billion?). I think a bigger percentage of the package is tax cuts this year

The stimulus broke down like this: 2/3 - spending/aid, 1/3 tax cuts and was to be spread out over two years.

Of the tax cuts, about  80 percent went to individuals, 20 percent went to small business.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2010, 12:05:49 PM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023191.php (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023191.php)

ughh

I know these Tea Partier stories are getting to be like "dog bites man", but the stupid still hurts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2010, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 04, 2010, 12:05:49 PM
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023191.php (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023191.php)

ughh

I know these Tea Partier stories are getting to be like "dog bites man", but the stupid still hurts

 :bow

A true American Patriot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 04, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
I've dogged Colmes many a time but I like his ability to get interviews with the nuttiest of the far right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2010, 02:29:51 PM
I ran into some old family friends this weekend, and while catching up the health care bill came up. They're a family of black conservatives, and the mom and sister were going on and on about how left wing the bill is and how it'll destroy America, and how I should be especially worried since my dad is a dentist and will be "forced" to accept medicaid patients apparently (his practice doesn't accept medicaid). Which isn't true, but I mainly wanted to know exactly what was so left wing about the bill, and they couldn't really tell me until they brought up the mandate. But the mandate is a conservative proposal that's kinda old.

When I think of liberal stuff in the bill, I think of the expanded subsidies medicaid, but I don't hear conservatives complaining about that. By the end of the discussion they were agreeing with me on many of the bill's provisions (kids on their parents hc insurance, keeping your doctor, the idea of exchanges, pre-existing conditions, etc). Then when I asked sooo, what exactly do you disagree with, I got the "it's a government takeover!" So we talked about the public option and blah blah blah, that's where the mental roadblock went up. I've yet to find a person who could defend the "gov takeover" talking point. Maybe FoC can
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2010, 02:51:09 PM
<PhoenixDark>  We've got Shake and Cheebs back, maybe I can lure FoC out of hiding...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
 :lol
maybe he's down south working on Rand Paul's campaign
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2010, 04:45:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2010, 02:51:09 PM
<PhoenixDark>  We've got Shake and Cheebs back, maybe I can lure FoC out of hiding...

I play with FOC alot on Bad Company 2. He's a cool dude.

He lurks occasionally but he told me he changed his password so he doesn't even know what it is. He would have to re-register but I don't think that's something he is currently thinking about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on April 05, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
I love this image the Huffington Post is using for Larry Summers.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/bhnjw1.png)

never has another face been quite so smug.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 05, 2010, 03:31:02 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on April 05, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
never has another face been quite so smug.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/qq5s95.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2010, 03:52:05 PM
Somebody please punch this man dead in his jaw. And our stupid ass media for the last 8 to 10 years.


Quote
Much as the crowd ate up her every word, Palin had apparently missed the real message this electoral season in Arizona: for his three decades in Congress, McCain hadn't gone with the flow enough, at least not enough to satisfy many Arizona Republicans. Why else would his rival, former congressman J.D. Hayworth, be billing himself as "the consistent conservative"? Many of the GOP's most faithful, the kind who vote in primaries despite 115-degree heat, tired long ago of McCain the Maverick, the man who had crossed the aisle to work with Democrats on issues like immigration reform, global warming, and restricting campaign contributions. "Maverick" is a mantle McCain no longer claims; in fact, he now denies he ever was one. "I never considered myself a maverick," he told me. "I consider myself a person who serves the people of Arizona to the best of his abilities." Yet here was Palin, urging her fans four times in 15 minutes to send McCain the Maverick back to Washington.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/235883


[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylJkmMR8Fek&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGOZJ0ceJpc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVIaqCjvLpU&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2010, 05:18:45 PM
Any respect I gained for McCain after his graceful concession speech has gone down the drain since then, but today is like the icing on the cake. Never a maverick? I would LOVE to see him ousted, but too bad it won't happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on April 05, 2010, 05:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 05, 2010, 03:31:02 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on April 05, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
never has another face been quite so smug.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/qq5s95.gif)

...the horror...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 05, 2010, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2010, 05:18:45 PM
Any respect I gained for McCain after his graceful concession speech has gone down the drain since then, but today is like the icing on the cake. Never a maverick? I would LOVE to see him ousted, but too bad it won't happen.

I should probably redirect my annoyance fully towards the media instead of McCain. I don't really have anything against him. He is simply doing what politicans do. Which is see which way the wind is blowing and start heading in that direction. And in a sense he is even being truthful though not in the way he means. He never was a maverick and in his heart of hearts he knew he wasn't one either. He was simply an old pissed off dude who was mad he got smeared through the Republican smear machine. He then spent a few years trying his best to annoy George Bush not out of any sense of "maverickness" or even good governance but simply out of being mad.

The media quickly fell in love with him and the narrative even though none of it was true and he simply went along with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2010, 07:35:17 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/steele-on-nightclub-charges-i-was-very-angry.php

Hilarious given his previous comments on democrats allegedly playing the race card. This dude is a complete and utter clown. I doubt he had anything to do with the club expense, and he is taking more blame than he should be. A bigger issue is him directly wasting RNC money before the midterm elections, and being such a fucking clown it's impossible to take him seriously. Dawg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 05, 2010, 10:34:47 PM
I think Steele is doing a great job as RNC chairmen.  I want to see him continue his position and pour yet even more of the GOP's money down a hole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2010, 01:08:47 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 05, 2010, 10:34:47 PM
I think Steele is doing a great job as RNC chairmen.  I want to see him continue his position and pour yet even more of the GOP's money down a hole.

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/msteele-v2.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 06, 2010, 01:34:32 AM
Oliver Willis nails it:

Quote
I love Steele trying to compare himself to President Obama, when in fact Steele isn’t even a grub on the other side of the President’s shoe. And then he plays the race card, while he’s the head of a party packed to the gills with racist detractors of the President. Such is the life of the black Republican: Nobody actually likes you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 06, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
Megan Kelly FoxNews Alert: NJ Voters win case to RECALL Dem Sen Robert Mendez!!! #teaparty #tcot #sgp #p2 YES YES YES!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 06, 2010, 03:29:34 PM
What's that mean in English?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on April 06, 2010, 06:57:26 PM
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1004/stormy_daniels_switches_teams.html (http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1004/stormy_daniels_switches_teams.html)

Stormy Daniels, the former porn star who has been debating whether to run for Senate in Louisiana for what seems like decades, says she’ll make her decision April 15. More important, she announced Tuesday that if she does run — because apparently she hasn’t had enough time to ponder that decision — she’ll do it as a Republican.

[youtube=560,345]fWMBM-CV1x0[/youtube]

(http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/11/large_john%20boehner1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 06, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/video/man-attempts-to-assassinate-obama-but-not-because,17220/


:lol


Also, holy shit Kittonwy's even dumber than I thought.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002651/
oh shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 07, 2010, 09:35:47 AM
If the GOP diehards haven't moved on to some other bullshit by the primaries and continue to stake everything on HCR, Mitt Romney is toast

*dances a jig*

Because as much of a clown as Romney is and could easily by teared apart, the other clowns are even clownier clowns trying to out-clown each other for the clown vote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Conservatives have a hard time moving on from anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2010, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 07, 2010, 10:07:50 AM
Conservatives have a hard time moving on from anything.

See:  Vietnam, hippies, Jane Fonda, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 07, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Or honoring the Confederacy

http://slate.me/b5phTa

Quote
Confederate History Month

WHEREAS,  April is the month in which the people of Virginia joined the Confederate States of America in a four year war between the states for independence that concluded at Appomattox Courthouse; and

WHEREAS,  Virginia has long recognized her Confederate history, the numerous civil war battlefields that mark every  region of the state, the leaders and individuals in the Army, Navy and at home who fought for their homes and communities and Commonwealth in a time very different than ours today; and

WHEREAS,  it is important for all Virginians to reflect upon our Commonwealth’s  shared history, to understand the sacrifices of the Confederate leaders, soldiers and citizens during the period of the Civil War, and to recognize how our history has led to our present; and

WHEREAS, Confederate historical sites such as the White House of the Confederacy are open for people to visit in Richmond today; and

WHEREAS, all Virginians can appreciate the fact that when ultimately overwhelmed by the insurmountable numbers and resources of the Union Army, the surviving, imprisoned and injured Confederate soldiers gave their word and allegiance to the United States of America, and returned to their homes and families to rebuild their communities in peace, following the instruction of General Robert E. Lee of Virginia, who wrote that, “...all should unite in honest efforts to obliterate the effects of war and to restore the blessings of peace."; and

WHEREAS,   this defining chapter in Virginia’s history should not be forgotten, but instead should be studied, understood and remembered by all Virginians, both in the context of the time in which it took place, but also in the context of the time in which we live, and this study and remembrance takes on particular importance as the Commonwealth prepares to welcome the nation and the world to visit Virginia for the Sesquicentennial Anniversary of the Civil War, a four-year period in which the exploration of our history can benefit all;

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Robert McDonnell, do hereby recognize April 2010 as CONFEDERATE HISTORY MONTH in our COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, and I call this observance to the attention of all our citizens.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2010, 11:26:35 AM
IT'S ABOUT RESPECTING OUR HERITAGE!

*hides white hood*
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 07, 2010, 11:47:52 AM
[youtube=560,345]kOHABYhZ7a8[/youtube]

too awesome, great parting line too.
Quote from: Oblivion on April 06, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/video/man-attempts-to-assassinate-obama-but-not-because,17220/
whoops.  Sorry man.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 07, 2010, 02:59:21 PM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-6-2010/say-anything
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Post by: Mandark on April 07, 2010, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 07, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
Or honoring the Confederacy

http://slate.me/b5phTa

Not important policy-wise, but  I think there are two lessons here.

First, Republican politicians will act like Republicans and Democratic politicians will act like Democrats.  McDonnell ran on a nonpartisan platform of fixing traffic issues and government services, and stayed away from culture war stuff.  Now he's in office he made this declaration and rescinded an anti-discrimination directive protecting gay state employees.  Hopefully both are just symbolic, but a politician will always appease the coalition that voted him into power.

Second, it says something about the GOP base in Virginia that sucking up to them means praising the Confederacy and eliding slavery.  I wish more conservatives were bothered by this.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2010, 04:32:46 PM
They would be Mandark, but they're too busy being bothered about OMG SPENDING AND DEFICITS* and OMG SOCIALISM. 

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Post by: Draft on April 07, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
Speaking of Obama and assassinations:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
From that very article...

Quote
The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them.

If the dude is in fact organizing and participating in attacks on the US ("in fact" being the key term here) then is it really that outrageous for him to be put on some CIA hit-list? It's kind of hard to get worked up over something like this. Granted there should be substantial evidence to support these actions being taken, but this isn't quite the same as kidnapping random Muslims in the middle of the night and holding them in some secret prison where they do god know what to them just because a neighbor reported that they might, in fact, be dirty stinking terrorists.
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Post by: Draft on April 07, 2010, 05:27:50 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
If the dude is in fact organizing and participating in attacks on the US ("in fact" being the key term here) then is it really that outrageous for him to be put on some CIA hit-list?
Yes. In fact being the key term, because in fact is determined in a court of law. US citizens get a trial, period.
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Post by: Mandark on April 07, 2010, 05:32:39 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
but this isn't quite the same as kidnapping random Muslims in the middle of the night and holding them in some secret prison where they do god know what to them just because a neighbor reported that they might, in fact, be dirty stinking terrorists.

What's the difference here?  That in one case the government says he's guilty and you're taking their word for it, but in the second case the government says he's guilty and you're not taking their word for it?
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:38:01 PM
I would think the existence of evidence would make one seem like a reasonable course of action, while the other is basically up to the whims of the officials involved and word-of-mouth more than anything. I have to assume there's some evidence out there to support them putting this dude on a hit-list; if there's not then they have no reason to target him, and should be taken to task for it. I'm not saying I think the dude deserves to be killed, but rather if the evidence is out there which unquestionably paints him as a dangerous extremist who can do damage to his "fellow citizens", then snuffing him out isn't the worst thing in the world. It's a difference between one being a known criminal with influence and the ability to hurt us, while the other is arrested and, perhaps, tortured simply because one of his neighbors pointed a finger at him.
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Post by: Draft on April 07, 2010, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:38:01 PM
I would think the existence of evidence would make one seem like a reasonable course of action, while the other is basically up to the whims of the officials involved and word-of-mouth more than anything. I have to assume there's some evidence out there to support them putting this dude on a hit-list; if there's not then they have no reason to target him, and should be taken to task for it. I'm not saying I think the dude deserves to be killed, but rather if the evidence is out there which unquestionably paints him as a dangerous extremist who can do damage to his "fellow citizens", then snuffing him out isn't the worst thing in the world. It's a difference between one being a known criminal with influence and the ability to hurt us, while the other is arrested and, perhaps, tortured simply because one of his neighbors pointed a finger at him.
There's no rational argument for the Executive branch having carte blance to murder US citizens.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
Even if the dude is a known criminal organizing and participating in attacks on "his own country"? Again I'm just basing this off accusations and what have you, but if they are indeed true then I see no reason why we shouldn't be doing something to stop people like him. It's not like this is one step away from them being able to murder your grandmother because she's wasting too many tax dollars or something.
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Post by: Draft on April 07, 2010, 05:48:36 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
Even if the dude is a known criminal organizing and participating in attacks on "his own country"? Again I'm just basing this off accusations and what have you, but if they are indeed true then I see no reason why we shouldn't be doing something to stop people like him. It's not like this is one step away from them being able to murder your grandmother because she's wasting too many tax dollars or something.
Even if. We don't do summary executions for known criminals, we put them on trial.

The system is not perfect, but it's like one of the fundamental parts of living in a free country.

And it's worse than one step away, it IS. Just because the President is only assassinating really, really bad people now doesn't mean that will always be the case.

Everyone's got to have the same protection under the law, or else the system is completely useless.
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Post by: Mupepe on April 07, 2010, 05:58:00 PM
I think the way of stopping him from these is attacks is arresting him, right?  I mean, if there is sufficient evidence to kill him, then shouldn't there be sufficient evidence to put him on trial and convict him?
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Post by: Draft on April 07, 2010, 06:01:14 PM
Quote from: Rob Thomas on April 07, 2010, 05:58:00 PM
I think the way of stopping him from these is attacks is arresting him, right?  I mean, if there is sufficient evidence to kill him, then shouldn't there be sufficient evidence to put him on trial and convict him?
No doubt. But this particular guy is hiding in Sudan or some other God awful hell hole, even if we knew where he was it would be a royal pain to capture him, and there can be no trial in his absence. So it's either let him be or launch a costly, dangerous ground mission to capture him.

Or, we could just give the President authority to drop predator missiles on anyone he deems a national threat.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
Would it be possible to revoke his citizenship, then? I admit I'm not too clear on the details surrounding this, but after scanning both articles I really don't see anything to get up in arms about. Yes, it might be unconstitutional, and yes I agree the guy deserves a trial; have they tried any real course of action previously and failed?
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 06:05:05 PM
So if the dude is uncooperative and would likely put innocent lives at risk before willingly submitting to a trial, you still think he deserves to just run free to plot against the US rather than, on the off chance anyone manages to track him down or get close enough to deliver a killshot, putting him down and perhaps saving countless lives?

I dunno, I'm typically a bleeding heart liberal but it's hard for me to shed a tear over the loss of a radical extremist who wants to kill me. And I still don't think this is just the tip of some huge, shady as fuck iceburg like you're letting on. It's a last ditch effort to put a miserable piece of shit out of his misery.
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Post by: Draft on April 07, 2010, 06:07:42 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 06:02:01 PM
Would it be possible to revoke his citizenship, then? I admit I'm not too clear on the details surrounding this, but after scanning both articles I really don't see anything to get up in arms about. Yes, it might be unconstitutional, and yes I agree the guy deserves a trial; have they tried any real course of action previously and failed?
The realest course of action: this dude is ON the hit list. This isn't a theoretical hit list. It's a real hit list. Presumably, if we do figure out where he is one of these days there will be tactical course of action streaking towards him pretty quickly.
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 06:13:06 PM
What I'm asking is have they made it known that they were after him and wanted to put him on trial previously, and did he, knowing this, still willingly evade capture, hide out "in the Sudan or some other hellhole", and still participate in actions against the US? If so, then my point stands. Dude is clearly not going to go willingly. If not, then that is indeed a pretty serious breach of protocol.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 07:14:47 PM
McDonnell Apologizes For Proclamation, Adds Slavery Clause
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/mcdonnell-apologizes-for-proclamation-adds-slavery-clause.php?ref=fpblg

What genius thought this was a good idea

(http://fr.memegenerator.net/Advice-Dog/ImageMacro/857543/Advice-Dog-Announce-Confederate-History-Month-Concede-Slavery-Caused-the-War.jpg)
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 07:16:10 PM
Confederate History Month :bow

I'm gonna get all my white friends together and talk about how much better life was when we didn't have to do anything for ourselves.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
Make sure you're drinking a mint julep as you do it, otherwise it doesn't count.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 07:22:39 PM
it was all about tariffs tho breh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 07:25:38 PM
How is it possible to celebrate being a Confederate while playing the "but seriously guys, slavery sucks" card? There's a difference between having pride in your region and flying the flag of an army that was literally fighting to be able to keep black people as pets.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2010, 07:29:42 PM
bu bu bu think of all the good things nazis did
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Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2010, 07:30:39 PM
one of my crowning achievements was getting someone to agree that nazis had pretty great social programs for minorities in front of his asian girlfriend
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Post by: Eric P on April 07, 2010, 07:30:55 PM
i lead a very small life
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 07:31:36 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 07, 2010, 07:29:42 PM
bu bu bu think of all the good things nazis did

Next time I take an archeology class perhaps I should propose Schutzstaffel Month, in recognition of the SS' contributions to the study
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Post by: Cheebs on April 07, 2010, 07:52:26 PM
Why do we even need a national confederacy month in the south? Should we have a national Tories month for the americans who sided with the british during the revolution?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
how come when blacks have a history month that's ok but when confederates have a history month it's "racist." double standards like this continue to discriminate
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Post by: brawndolicious on April 07, 2010, 09:36:04 PM
what I don't get is that the confederacy was of course an unconstitutional secessionist movement from 150 years ago.  we don't normally have months for those.

At least with black, latino, lgbt, jew, and women history months you probably have friends or family in those groups who were discriminated against.  I mean it'd be more sensible for Germany to have a Nazi history month.
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Post by: Ichirou on April 07, 2010, 10:35:04 PM
In 100 years we will celebrate Tea Party month in the bombed-out remains of post-nuclear-holocaust America.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2010, 11:43:08 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 07, 2010, 10:35:04 PM
In 100 years we will celebrate Tea Party month in the bombed-out remains of post-nuclear-holocaust America.

In a hundred years our descendants will be watching "Ow My Balls" while drinking Brawndo, quit kidding yourself.

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Post by: Cheebs on April 08, 2010, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
how come when blacks have a history month that's ok but when confederates have a history month it's "racist." double standards like this continue to discriminate
Celebrating a race that has had a lot of hardship over American history is a little different than celebrating an illegal unconstitutional secessionist movement one would imagine.

Why not have northern states create a national union month to celebrate the joy of being part of the union and sticking loyal to the federal government? Seems less silly seeing how they are the ones who won after all.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2010, 12:04:29 AM
I want to go for the jugular and have a Sherman's March Appreciation Month.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 08, 2010, 12:20:59 AM
There should be a Confederate History Month, but it should be one month a year where people from any non-Confederate state is allowed to come in and randomly start kicking anyone while ironically giving the rebel yell.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2010, 12:36:52 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 08, 2010, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
how come when blacks have a history month that's ok but when confederates have a history month it's "racist." double standards like this continue to discriminate
Celebrating a race that has had a lot of hardship over American history is a little different than celebrating an illegal unconstitutional secessionist movement one would imagine.

Why not have northern states create a national union month to celebrate the joy of being part of the union and sticking loyal to the federal government? Seems less silly seeing how they are the ones who won after all.

It's hypocrites like you that ensure MLK's dream will never come true :punch
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Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2010, 01:00:48 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
Even if the dude is a known criminal organizing and participating in attacks on "his own country"? Again I'm just basing this off accusations and what have you, but if they are indeed true then I see no reason why we shouldn't be doing something to stop people like him.

Trials are how we determine whether someone has committed a crime or not.  That's the entire point.
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Post by: Ichirou on April 08, 2010, 01:04:39 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 08, 2010, 01:00:48 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 07, 2010, 05:44:53 PM
Even if the dude is a known criminal organizing and participating in attacks on "his own country"? Again I'm just basing this off accusations and what have you, but if they are indeed true then I see no reason why we shouldn't be doing something to stop people like him.

Trials are how we determine whether someone has committed a crime or not.  That's the entire point.

You and your filthy "laws" and "trials."
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2010, 01:13:53 AM
DAMMIT MANDARK THERE'S NO TIME
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Post by: brawndolicious on April 08, 2010, 01:42:22 AM
Creator of white-only basketball league defends himself:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-29-2010/snowball


He's not a racist, he just wants white players more than skilled ones.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 08, 2010, 01:49:26 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2010, 12:04:29 AM
I want to go for the jugular and have a Sherman's March Appreciation Month.

My favorite general of all time.  Has the added benefit of creeping JayDubya out.

:bow William Tecumseh Sherman :bow2
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Post by: brawndolicious on April 08, 2010, 01:54:02 AM
I just loved how his army actually grew in size as it went through the South.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2010, 02:01:27 AM
(http://chicagogop.com/images/blog5/obamitzvah.jpg)
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 08, 2010, 02:42:41 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 07, 2010, 10:35:04 PM
In 100 years we will celebrate Tea Party month in the bombed-out remains of post-nuclear-holocaust America.

I can't fucking wait. I hope we still have Juggalos.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 08, 2010, 02:45:14 AM
Are you shitting me?  By that point we will have changed "congressman" to "juggalo" for sure.  "If I may rise in courteous disagreement with the distinguished Juggalo from the Colorado sixth..."
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 08, 2010, 02:59:21 AM
(http://www.celebritypuke.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/cp-juggalo1a.jpg)

Bring It On :bow
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Post by: Cheebs on April 08, 2010, 12:31:43 PM
The verision of the treaty to reduce our nuke stockpile by 1/3rd and such Obama is signing is much longer than the one the Ruskies are signing.  :o
(http://images.politico.com/global/news/100408_obama_medvedev_sign_treaty_ap_605.jpg)
Conspiracy?  :ussrcry


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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 08, 2010, 12:36:00 PM
Obama is actually autographing a copy of Dirty Game, a 500 page screenplay he wrote about a no-bullshit, tough as nails sexy new president-elect fighting a corrupt system and bringing the sexy back to Washington :bow
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Post by: Dickie Dee on April 08, 2010, 01:10:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9KjQUSZXqE[/youtube]
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Post by: Cheebs on April 08, 2010, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 08, 2010, 01:10:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9KjQUSZXqE[/youtube]
All I can see is that repeated shot of the hot girl shaking her ass around. :drool
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 08, 2010, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 08, 2010, 12:31:43 PM
(http://images.politico.com/global/news/100408_obama_medvedev_sign_treaty_ap_605.jpg)

The two "comrades" look to be as thick as thieves together.

(http://www.sesc.k12.in.us/Cass/Courier/Class%20of%20%2710/Shyla%20Moss/Glenn%20Beck.jpg)
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 08, 2010, 01:52:44 PM
That Maddow video highlights everything wrong with Fox News. Nice to still see people like Willco treating them like valid sources, though. (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32802.msg1094324#msg1094324) :spin
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 08, 2010, 01:56:51 PM
Oh, Shake. :lol
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 08, 2010, 02:04:07 PM
I had to clear my browser history after following that link. :'(
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Post by: Oblivion on April 08, 2010, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: Borys on April 08, 2010, 12:48:37 PM
Never knew Obama is left-handed :o :o :o

What do you expect from a far left radical? :smug


Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
how come when blacks have a history month that's ok but when confederates have a history month it's "racist." double standards like this continue to discriminate

My roommate actually made this argument yesterday when we were watching Anderson Cooper.  :'(

Also,

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/where-are-the-black-tea-partiers-theyre-here-hated-and-trashed-by-liberals-90088802.html

"Some of my best friends are black teabaggers." :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2010, 04:59:47 PM
I find that when an organization/group/etc has to tell you how diverse they are amidst criticism, they're probably not diverse.
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Post by: Eric P on April 08, 2010, 05:13:49 PM
oh i dun know

they are DI VERSE ORGANIZATION I HAFF HEARD OV
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Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 09, 2010, 01:59:30 AM
Ichi, where did you get this? It is amazing

(http://viralpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/coolest-est.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 09, 2010, 04:42:38 PM
Cue the next 3 months of republicans talking about strict constitutionalists.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2010, 04:44:54 PM
Sarah Palin's speech today made me gag. :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 09, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2010, 04:44:54 PM
Sarah Palin's speech today made me gag. :-X
Are you still a registered Republican?
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2010, 05:13:43 PM
I am. :D

I am still hoping that Meghan McCain and I have beautiful children that will form some kind of dynasty of fiscally conservative politicians that are not religiously-motivated and for individual rights.
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Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2010, 05:21:05 PM
Yeah, might as well give that one up.  As long as the South is the backbone of Republican support, the party is gonna be dominated by The Crazy.
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Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2010, 05:23:16 PM
i too am a registered republican

i can't wait to primary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2010, 05:26:06 PM
Eric P and I are going to wreck some shit. Suck it, Palinites! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 09, 2010, 05:23:16 PM
i too am a registered republican

i can't wait to primary

Pfft, you don't count.  You just did it to be ironic, hipster.  :wag

Also, I'm thinking about voting in the Republican primary coming up here so I can vote for the craziest candidate in each race.  That's the best way to sink these idiots quicker.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 09, 2010, 05:48:46 PM
that's fraud, mr acorn!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 09, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
I voted in the GOP primary here last time arounorgor President since the Dem one was voided. :bow

Will do so again with  the upcoming governer race since the state democratic party has pretty much declined to even compete.

And in 2012 now that I think about it since there won't be a dem primary for President. I guess I am a Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2010, 09:43:13 PM
I'm still waiting for my 401k boost from the Scott Brown win. That is, unless, fox news wasn't telling the truth.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 09, 2010, 11:17:46 PM
Are you part of the secret society of Hollywood Republicans, Willco?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 09, 2010, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 09, 2010, 01:59:30 AM
Ichi, where did you get this? It is amazing

http://viralpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/coolest-est.jpg

 :lol :lol :lol

I think I just did a Google image search on "Obama" and "awesome." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 09, 2010, 11:50:50 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 09, 2010, 11:17:46 PM
Are you part of the secret society of Hollywood Republicans, Willco?

Aren't all Jews? :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 09, 2010, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 09, 2010, 01:59:30 AM
Ichi, where did you get this? It is amazing

http://viralpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/coolest-est.jpg

 :lol :lol :lol

I think I just did a Google image search on "Obama" and "awesome." :lol
I did that and stumbled upon this actual real image of younger Obama.  :lol
(http://www.magnificentbastard.com/images/features/barack-obama-sunglasses.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
PRESIDENT SUPAFLY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 10, 2010, 12:09:31 AM
I bet this shit was Obama's LIFE

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIECM1S8s4[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 06:23:02 AM
Did any of you expect in your lifetime to have a Pres that had photos that were so mad cool. It's kinda weird.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 10, 2010, 06:38:03 AM
Obama was the nerd. Bill was the cool one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2010, 11:14:33 AM
Nah, Clinton wasn't cool.  He was a pussy hound.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 06:23:02 AM
Did any of you expect in your lifetime to have a Pres that had photos that were so mad cool. It's kinda weird.

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till 2016.

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2133o6g.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 12:02:58 PM
Bobby Jindal looks like such a fucking creeper :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on April 10, 2010, 06:38:03 AM
Obama was the nerd. Bill was the cool one.
Really, you think this one is the nerdier of these two (both of them when they were in college)? Clinton got lots of pussy but have you seen his taste in women? That negates his player-ways.

(http://photos.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/people-obama-college--122958636977931600.jpg)
(http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/contemplative.jpg)


(http://jgrab.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bill-hillary-clinton.jpg)
(http://www.leelofland.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/clin3a.JPG)



Pictures of women Bill has had sex with  :-X :-X:
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/politics97/news/08/0822/paula.jpg)
(http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/01/first.lady.interview.02/link.gennifer.flowers.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 12:09:55 PM
Clinton looks like a dirty hippie that chased ugly tail, whereas Obama was a smooth pimp. :pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2010, 12:36:34 PM
PIMP IN CHIEF

(http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/4_obama%20pimp.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 12:48:27 PM
Not trying to cultivate a Cult of Personality here, because god knows I have some issues with his Presidency, but anyone acting like Obama isn't the coolest guy in the room is a filthly liar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 12:48:27 PM
Not trying to cultivate a Cult of Personality here, because god knows I have some issues with his Presidency, but anyone acting like Obama isn't the coolest guy in the room is a filthly liar.
What about this room  :o
(http://www.dolcemag.com/wp-content/gallery/celeb_obama/obama-deniro.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
I think one of McCains most effective attacks (whether or not it was grounded in reality) was calling Obama out as a "celebrity". Because it automatically underhanded one of Obama's strengths...people seem to be instantly attracted to him and put their trust in him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
I think one of McCains most effective attacks (whether or not it was grounded in reality) was calling Obama out as a "celebrity". Because it automatically underhanded one of Obama's strengths...people seem to be instantly attracted to him and put their trust in him.

The greatest irony being that McCain had the ultimate "celebrity" on his ticket as the VP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 10, 2010, 02:55:15 PM
:bow Cult of Personality Worship :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2010, 03:02:26 PM
Springsteen and Obama in one room...mmmmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 10, 2010, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 12:54:48 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 12:48:27 PM
Not trying to cultivate a Cult of Personality here, because god knows I have some issues with his Presidency, but anyone acting like Obama isn't the coolest guy in the room is a filthly liar.
What about this room  :o
(http://www.dolcemag.com/wp-content/gallery/celeb_obama/obama-deniro.jpg)

I see only one cool guy there, and he's black as the night he was born. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
I think one of McCains most effective attacks (whether or not it was grounded in reality) was calling Obama out as a "celebrity". Because it automatically underhanded one of Obama's strengths...people seem to be instantly attracted to him and put their trust in him.

The greatest irony being that McCain had the ultimate "celebrity" on his ticket as the VP.

Yeah, good god she's one that's just famous for being famous.

On that note, I saw someone notice her referred to as a "half-term" governor of Alaska and LOL'd...I did too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 10, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Sarah Palin is truly the Paris Hilton of politicians. Obama is more like the George Clooney. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 04:03:10 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 10, 2010, 03:47:00 PM
Sarah Palin is truly the Paris Hilton of politicians. Obama is more like the George Clooney. :bow
Then which one of these is the clooney of this pic  ???
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a81/kos102/2008/Obama/clooney-obama-1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 10, 2010, 04:04:29 PM
I...the, uh, the one....um, on the...no....fuck :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2010, 04:07:08 PM
That's a whole lot of unf in one picture
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 10, 2010, 04:07:55 PM
Fuck you, Cheebs. That's a trick question!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
Obama was/is older than Clinton was when he took office.

True story!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2010, 05:20:51 PM
But it doesn't matter, since black aging >>>>>>>>>>>>>> white aging

looks 36  8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 06:09:47 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
Obama was/is older than Clinton was when he took office.

True story!
By like 1 or 2 years. Not much. Bill Clinton is the same age as George W. Bush.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 06:25:16 PM
'tis true that black don't crack
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 10, 2010, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
I think one of McCains most effective attacks (whether or not it was grounded in reality) was calling Obama out as a "celebrity". Because it automatically underhanded one of Obama's strengths...people seem to be instantly attracted to him and put their trust in him.

The greatest irony being that McCain had the ultimate "celebrity" on his ticket as the VP.

Republicans - Masters of projection
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 07:18:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 10, 2010, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 10, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
I think one of McCains most effective attacks (whether or not it was grounded in reality) was calling Obama out as a "celebrity". Because it automatically underhanded one of Obama's strengths...people seem to be instantly attracted to him and put their trust in him.

The greatest irony being that McCain had the ultimate "celebrity" on his ticket as the VP.

Republicans - Masters of projection

Not to mention you could argue McCain had become a celebrity himself over the last 10 years. Dude was in Wedding Crashers and hosted SNL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 10, 2010, 07:21:24 PM
I wonder what the election result would have been if he picked Pawlenty or whatever. Obviously Obama would still win but I wonder if would have turned out any different state by state.

Also I was reading some quotes from that Southern Republican thing and this stood out to me. The fact they still go COMMUNITY ORGANIZER LOLOLOL even after him being President for 2 years. Isn't this experience thing a bit odd to use now seeing how he is technically more experienced than any Republican who would challenge him by the nature of his office?
Quote
"I'll take a TV personality over a community organizer any day."

-- Sen. David Vitter (R-LA),

Also how is that somehow Obama's only experience? I mean he wasn't even a community organizer for that many years. He was a teacher at the University of Chicago for longer than he was a community organizer and has been in elected politics for 15 years now. It is such a strange thing to me.

I mean will they still be rambling he is just some community organizer with no experience in 2012 after an entire term as President? It almost seems like they are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
Community Organizer when a republican says it is simply code word for communist. They never really cared about the experience angle outside of implying do you really want to trust the country to a black muslim communist when you have a perfectlly good old white war hero like McCain standing here.

They will always mention the community organizer thing to imply things they could never directly say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 10, 2010, 09:45:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xL2s5.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 09:49:37 PM
ah the much loved childhood game of pin the molotov on the police cruiser, brings back such memories :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2010, 11:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 10, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
Community Organizer when a republican says it is simply code word for communist. They never really cared about the experience angle outside of implying do you really want to trust the country to a black muslim communist when you have a perfectlly good old white war hero like McCain standing here.

They will always mention the community organizer thing to imply things they could never directly say.

Especially when half-term Governor Palin is the movement's heroine. Uggh, the stupid is hurting again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 11:47:16 PM
I couldn't believe Palin criticized Obama as a "part-time" Senator in her speech the other day :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 10, 2010, 11:56:40 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 11:47:16 PM
I couldn't believe Palin criticized Obama as a "part-time" Senator in her speech the other day :lol

I'd be curious to see what happens to Palin once she loses the MILF/Soccer Mom factor.

The GOP to groom Elisabeth Hasselbeck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 11, 2010, 12:01:29 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 10, 2010, 11:47:16 PM
I couldn't believe Palin criticized Obama as a "part-time" Senator in her speech the other day :lol

what? lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:13:34 AM
Palin tried to make a story, and will probably succeed, out of Obama dismissing her criticism of a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia. Palin, in turn, mocked "all that vast nuclear expertise he acquired as a community organizer, a part-time senator, and a candidate for president." Notably, she attacked Obama for accomplishing "nothing to date with Iran or North Korea."

The original inspiration for the remark, the treaty with Russia? Not mentioned.

Palin spent a lot of time on energy, and the tone was fascinating. Details about the location of oil and natural gas reserves, which got a cooler response from the crowd, were quickly spiced up with jokes.

"The administration is locking up even more federal lands that are filled with this God-given, huge reserve," said Palin. The culprit: the "Economic Punishment Agency." Democrats, she said, were not willing to store nuclear waste or build solar panels in the desert. "God forbid, somebody might see it, or a gecko might bump into one."

Echoing a remark she has made on the stump, Palin joined the chorus of Republicans pledging that the party can "repeal and replace" the Affordable Care Act. "If you watch some of the news -- or maybe are on the White House's e-mail list -- some of this stuff might come as a surprise," she said.

Palin also echoed Liz Cheney's criticism of the Obama administration's handling of Afghanistan -- one more hit, and it's a trend. Unlike other parts of the speech, where Palin riffed a little bit, it jibed with Matthew Continetti's early excerpts of the speech. "This administration alienates our friends," she said. They treated Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai poorly and acted surprised when he reacted in kind."

---------------

I watched the whole thing live on MSNBC, it was kind of incredible. She completely lives in some kind of fantasy world. I won't even go into my outrage over her statement that, "Jerusalem is not a settlement!" as a rebuttal to the Obama administration's unhappiness with Israel's settlement plans that pretty much killed any peace talks.

It implied some kind of creepy religious bent to her foreign policy that seems totally insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 12:16:14 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:13:34 AM
Palin tried to make a story, and will probably succeed, out of Obama dismissing her criticism of a nuclear arms reduction treaty with Russia. Palin, in turn, mocked "all that vast nuclear expertise he acquired as a community organizer, a part-time senator, and a candidate for president." Notably, she attacked Obama for accomplishing "nothing to date with Iran or North Korea."
The funny thing is nuclear arms reduction was a big thing for him in his 4 years in the senate. He and Richard Luger did a lot work and research into it together. Which I imagine why Luger was the first and to my knowledge only Republican so far to come out and claim he will vote to ratify the treaty. So I imagine yes, he got more experience and knowledge on that issue in his 4 years in the senate than her 2 years of governor of Alaska.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:17:12 AM
My other favorite gem:

Quote from: Sarah Palin
"Don't retreat. Reload!" she said, invoking a slogan that has lately earned her some criticism. The crowd cheered deafeningly as she added, "And that is NOT a call for violence!"

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2010, 12:17:42 AM
*bangs head against wall, doesn't feel better*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 11, 2010, 12:21:05 AM
Quote from: T EXP on April 10, 2010, 11:56:40 PM
I'd be curious to see what happens to Palin once she loses the MILF/Soccer Mom factor.

The GOP to groom Elisabeth Hasselbeck?
The new Reagan :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:21:51 AM
Hey, I felt it took a lot of balls to criticize Obama's lack of experience and label him as a "part-time senator", when she couldn't even finish her first term as governor of a state with the third lowest population in the union. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:21:51 AM
Hey, I felt it took a lot of balls to criticize Obama's lack of experience and label him as a "part-time senator", when she couldn't even finish her first term as governor of a state with the third lowest population in the union. :lol
And her reasoning for quitting was basically that the media wouldn't leave her alone and the other side in the state govt. kept investigating stuff she did.

All things that clearly never happen to Presidents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
Sarah Palin, the first presidential hopeful to use the experience issue against an incumbent president.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:25:17 AM
Obama could never understand the pressure of being the executive of a single state, what with the liberal media constantly attacking her :greenshinobi
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 11, 2010, 12:26:35 AM
Fucking wow man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
Sarah Palin, the first presidential hopeful to use the experience issue against an incumbent president.

Don't forget that he is alienating our allies, aiding our enemies and is a radical socialist! He should be tried for treason, basically!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 12:29:14 AM
Also, when did Karzai become this beloved hero of the right  who is persecuted by Obama? Am I the only one who remembers the fact just a few months ago it was a widely accepted fact he cheated and stole the election and was considered massively corrupt?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:31:27 AM
Shut up, Cheebs! You are alienating our allies and coddling the enemy!

... another brazen Sarah bit came when she told the crowd that she never accepted any Recovery Act funds, and chastised all the politicians that did.

Quote
“We know that Sarah Palin has a real problem with history, but this is sad even by her standards,” party spokesman Hari Sevugan said in a statement. “Palin claims that she vetoed Recovery Act dollars to create jobs for Alaskans, but in fact she accepted nearly every single dime.”

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
For all her talk of folksyness, she's really one of the first post-modern political candidates...objective truth really holds no value for her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 01:18:20 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
Sarah Palin, the first presidential hopeful to use the experience issue against an incumbent president.

Don't forget that he is alienating our allies, aiding our enemies and is a radical socialist! He should be tried for treason, basically!

Daniel Larison's been blogging (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/04/07/hawks-are-just-embarrassing-themselves/) recently (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/04/08/deterrence-and-disarmament/) about how hawks are engaging in crazier and crazier fearmongering in response to pretty centrist policies from Obama.  The same applies to domestic issues too.

It's like FUD isn't just their chief tactic anymore.  It's their reason for existing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 01:20:13 AM
How is that going to work out when their front runner, Mitt Romney, has to run on the platform that he plans on repealing a health insurance bill that is awfully similar to the one he has in his home state?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 01:22:52 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 01:20:13 AM
How is that going to work out when their front runner, Mitt Romney, has to run on the platform that he plans on repealing a health insurance bill that is awfully similar to the one he has in his home state?
Someone explain to me why he is somehow the voice of economic policy and experience when he was a 1 term governor who will be out of office for 6 years as of the next election, and of which was long before the economic crisis in 2008 making that 6 years seem more like 60. It's odd.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2010, 01:22:55 AM
She sure does a good job of surrounding herself with people who think exactly like her. I really can't imagine her running for president and having to participate in debates, real interviews, etc.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 01:43:44 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 01:20:13 AM
How is that going to work out when their front runner, Mitt Romney, has to run on the platform that he plans on repealing a health insurance bill that is awfully similar to the one he has in his home state?

This is the point that Obama was trying to get across when he was schooling GOP representatives at that Q&A session.  Republican politicians get trapped by their own FUD: if you encourage your constituents' beliefs that Obama's policies are pure evil, that leaves you no room to reach any sort of compromise or to pass similar policies in the future.

I don't think health care will be a huge issue in the 2012 election, actually.  Or at least it won't be the way it's been.  Republican candidates mostly won't run on a promise to repeal (they'd get hammered for wanting to get rid of the popular parts) and by then other debates will have more recently dominated the public's mind.

Remember all the crazy stuff from the campaign?  A lot of it kind of faded (Rev. Wright for example), not because the nutjobs came back to reality, but because they moved on to newer, fresher imaginary outrages.  That's how it works.

This time in two years we'll be talking about the signs people are bringing to anti-amnesty rallies or some shit like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on April 11, 2010, 01:46:54 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 11, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
For all her talk of folksyness, she's really one of the first post-modern political candidates...objective truth really holds no value for her.

You could say that the NeoCon movement in general is a right wing response to post-modern thought.  Leo Strauss simply did not abide by the idea that rulers should be burdened by truth.  The Bush administration put that idea in to practice.

I remember Mandark once posted an article that presented Palin as what happens when NeoCon FUD eats its own tail.  She was once the willing consumer of disingenuous political positions without the awareness of the Machiavellian political philosophy that generated them.  Now she's the one propagating that FUD.  The chicken is still walking even though its lost its head a while ago.        
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
Although since embraced by the left, it's important to remember that "reality-based community" was a term first introduced by the right as a pejorative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 11, 2010, 09:39:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 01:18:20 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
Sarah Palin, the first presidential hopeful to use the experience issue against an incumbent president.

Don't forget that he is alienating our allies, aiding our enemies and is a radical socialist! He should be tried for treason, basically!

Daniel Larison's been blogging (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/04/07/hawks-are-just-embarrassing-themselves/) recently (http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2010/04/08/deterrence-and-disarmament/) about how hawks are engaging in crazier and crazier fearmongering in response to pretty centrist policies from Obama.  The same applies to domestic issues too.

It's like FUD isn't just their chief tactic anymore.  It's their reason for existing.

So we've reached the point that Republicans can use "military-industrial complex" as something that needs to be defended from Democratic meddling? Awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2010, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 11, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
Although since embraced by the left, it's important to remember that "reality-based community" was a term first introduced by the right as a pejorative.

Democratic party rebrands itself as the Democratic party of Socialist Communists...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 11, 2010, 03:34:01 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 11, 2010, 12:13:34 AM
Palin spent a lot of time on energy, and the tone was fascinating. Details about the location of oil and natural gas reserves, which got a cooler response from the crowd, were quickly spiced up with jokes.

"The administration is locking up even more federal lands that are filled with this God-given, huge reserve," said Palin. The culprit: the "Economic Punishment Agency." Democrats, she said, were not willing to store nuclear waste or build solar panels in the desert. "God forbid, somebody might see it, or a gecko might bump into one."
Really, really, Really?
Obama just opened up huge tracts of land to offshore oil drilling, including scads of territory off the Alaskan coast, like, the state that she's from and its local media has covered the issue incessantly.

To forget what happened only two weeks ago is just astounding.  The Obama administration only did it to throw a bone towards the crazies so their impending energy legislation actually looks like a compromise, but they can't even acknowledge actual, legitimate gains of stuff they actually wanted and got, all because it comes from their sworn enemy.

I'm convinced if Obama actually wanted to outlaw abortion, murder all teh gays, and invade every country full of darkies he'd still be hated by the nutso brigade she leads.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 08:02:32 PM
Wow.  :lol

http://vimeo.com/10803057
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 11, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 11, 2010, 09:18:07 PM
Can someone please tell me about the rise of the libertarian party? Almost every white person I encounter now is some supporter for Ron Paul or some shit.

It's driving me nuts because one of them thinks I'm a libertarian. One day I saw him with a Don't Tread on Me shirt, and I commented on it as it's one of my favorite flags.

He ends up thinking I'm a libertarian and now randomly pulls me to the side at times to discuss politics and shit.

"I'm not a libertarian! I'm a democrat who swings in favor for moderates. I'm NOT a libertarian!"

And he still attempts to talk to me about politics when politics is one of my taboo subjects. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2010, 09:34:10 PM
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Almost every white person I encounter now is some supporter for Ron Paul or some shit.

That's an insult to cool white people, racist!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2010, 09:57:26 PM
The only Ron Paul supporters I encounter are all on the internet. Ask the average American who Ron Paul is and they wouldn't have a clue. Same goes with libertarians in general. In the modern world there are lots of internet phenonmenas that get a lot more play on the internet than they do in real life.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Himuro on April 11, 2010, 09:18:07 PM
Can someone please tell me about the rise of the libertarian party? Almost every white person I encounter now is some supporter for Ron Paul or some shit.

There is no rise. It's all a handful of loud people making it seem like it is. He barely registered at all in the Republican primary in 2008 back when Paul mania as it were was at it's height. Remember FoC's constant predictions of him winning primaries back then?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 11, 2010, 10:14:03 PM
Damn. Libertarian party has to be crazy in the south then, because I know plenty of people who are libertarians. What the fuck.

...

All of which are college aged, though, so I guess that answers that. And if they aren't libertarian's they're conservatives who worship Ayn Rand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 11, 2010, 10:51:44 PM
The reason you have a lot of (relatively speaking) college aged libertarians is the same reason you have a lot of college aged people who wear Che Guevara t-shirts.

Because it seems like a forbidden ideology that their stodgy parents wouldn't get.

It also has something to do with how unsuccessful Republicans have been in recent history in courting young people because their message has been increasingly viewed as intolerant and not popular.

Lots of hipster conservatives would rather distance themselves from Republicans at the moment. This was not the case in the 80's for example when Republicans were riding high with Reagan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 11, 2010, 11:40:20 PM
In one of my classes last year we were discussing modern political theory or some shit and this nerdy white chick started bitching "bu bu bu politics isn't only Democrats and Republicans! Stop being so closed-minded!" Then the professor asked what party she identified with and she said "I'm a libertarian".

The motherfucker actually laughed and then totally disregarded her comments. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 12, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2010, 12:07:00 AM
Chipopo's given me an excuse to post one of my favorite comments on the net again:

Quote from: Doghouse Riley
What a lot of us realized during the Reagan administration, i.e., as it was happening--and what would be made manifest in 1996, when Falwell, Reed, Dobson, and their ilk blessed the candidacy of Bob Dole (R-ADM)--is that the Snake Handling and Ammo Hoarding constituencies of the Republican party would never, ever, understand they were being played. (Though, in fairness, the Second Amendment crowd pretty much gets what it wants legislatively, due both to an historically less penurious approach to divvying up the weekly offering, and the fact that most government officials live far enough away from the automatic weapons fire that they don't give a fuck. Playing that gang involves the same process, though: 1. Read bumper-sticker slogan. 2. Collect donations.) Palin merely (and I emphasize merely) represents the full flowering of the movement: the Played are now the Players, and the fifteen IQ points that might've saved 'em are now gone like a meth-addict's teeth.


The premise is that the elites of the GOP used to cynically encourage and exploit the cultural fears and resentments of a certain swath of Americans in order to get votes, but now the generation that's spent their whole lives internalizing the spin is in charge.  It's a gross simplification, but I think there's something to it.

See also the "epistemic closure" (fancy talk for "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU") discussion that Julian Sanchez (http://www.juliansanchez.com/2010/04/07/epistemic-closure-technology-and-the-end-of-distance/) started which was all over the blogs last week.  The conservative movement's put a lot of time and energy into creating its own reality over the last few decades.

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Were EB not such a horrible groupthinky hiveminded circle-jerk, I'd be totally expecting someone to explain how liberals are just as equally biased and stuff as conservatives.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 12:11:33 AM
I honestly can't understand why any reasonably intelligent person would still claim to be a Republican in this day and age. Maybe you agree with some of their ideals (hopefully not all), but the party itself is just such a fucking joke right now. Democrats ain't perfect, either, but at least they aren't willfully being arrogant fucks getting in the way of any positive social progress to score some political points. Any party against public healthcare isn't a party anyone in this country should identify with; how they have taken platforms that essentially say "keep the rich richer, let the corporations have their way, and oh yeah men kissing men is ruining my day make it stop" and gotten millions of people to cosign this bullshit is sickening.

EDIT - And I used to think of myself as moderate, but lately I'm glad to say that I'm strictly liberal just so no one will even mistake me for sympathizing with the Republican party. :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 12:16:51 AM
You are in the Wikileaks party as far as I can see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 12:19:53 AM
What does that even mean? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 12:31:53 AM
Wow, fuck my posts. That video sums up everything I wanted to say and more perfectly. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2010, 01:17:25 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 11, 2010, 08:02:32 PM
Wow.  :lol

http://vimeo.com/10803057

holy shit I thought that was the Jurassic Park theme for a second
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on April 12, 2010, 06:37:20 AM
American politics must baffle everyone else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 12:55:50 PM
Quote from: Tristam on April 12, 2010, 06:37:20 AM
American politics must baffle everyone else.
I've been following the upcoming U.K. election pretty closely and they are as fucked up as us.

I mean look at the leader of the conservative party who will most likely be prime minister. He is doing everything he can to copy Obama.  :lol

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYa6PRgzNbI[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4zBZBerTqk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
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Presidential hopeful and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R), in an interview with a college magazine, said the country shouldn't "experiment" by allowing gay couples to adopt children.

"I think this is not about trying to create statements for people who want to change the basic fundamental definitions of family," Huckabee told The Perspective, a magazine at The College New Jersey. "And always we should act in the best interest of the children, not in the seeming interest of the adults."

"Children are not puppies," he said. "This is not a time to see if we can experiment and find out, how does this work?"

Huckabee also compared gay marriage to drug use, incest and polygamy.

"You don't go ahead and accommodate every behavioral pattern that is against the ideal," he said. "That would be like saying, well, there are a lot of people who like to use drugs, so let's go ahead and accommodate those who want who use drugs. There are some people who believe in incest, so we should accommodate them. There are people who believe in polygamy, so we should accommodate them."
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/huckabee-on-gay-adoption-children-are-not-puppies.php?ref=fpb

 :'(
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Post by: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
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Presidential hopeful and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R), in an interview with a college magazine, said the country shouldn't "experiment" by allowing gay couples to adopt children.

"I think this is not about trying to create statements for people who want to change the basic fundamental definitions of family," Huckabee told The Perspective, a magazine at The College New Jersey. "And always we should act in the best interest of the children, not in the seeming interest of the adults."

"Children are not puppies," he said. "This is not a time to see if we can experiment and find out, how does this work?"

Huckabee also compared gay marriage to drug use, incest and polygamy.

"You don't go ahead and accommodate every behavioral pattern that is against the ideal," he said. "That would be like saying, well, there are a lot of people who like to use drugs, so let's go ahead and accommodate those who want who use drugs. There are some people who believe in incest, so we should accommodate them. There are people who believe in polygamy, so we should accommodate them."
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/huckabee-on-gay-adoption-children-are-not-puppies.php?ref=fpb

 :'(
Experiment? What is he talking about? Gay couples have been adopting for a while now and the kids have turned out just as fine as any other kid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2010, 01:15:12 PM
Not surprising in the least. This is right in line with earlier comments by him and a lot of Southern Baptists in general.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 01:16:26 PM
Also how relevant is Huckabee anymore really? He stopped going to all the big conservative events and the like, that scandal involved the released prisoner pretty much lead him to end all his pre-2012 campaigning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 12, 2010, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2010, 01:12:23 PM
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Presidential hopeful and former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee (R), in an interview with a college magazine, said the country shouldn't "experiment" by allowing gay couples to adopt children.

"I think this is not about trying to create statements for people who want to change the basic fundamental definitions of family," Huckabee told The Perspective, a magazine at The College New Jersey. "And always we should act in the best interest of the children, not in the seeming interest of the adults."

"Children are not puppies," he said. "This is not a time to see if we can experiment and find out, how does this work?"

Huckabee also compared gay marriage to drug use, incest and polygamy.

"You don't go ahead and accommodate every behavioral pattern that is against the ideal," he said. "That would be like saying, well, there are a lot of people who like to use drugs, so let's go ahead and accommodate those who want who use drugs. There are some people who believe in incest, so we should accommodate them. There are people who believe in polygamy, so we should accommodate them."
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/huckabee-on-gay-adoption-children-are-not-puppies.php?ref=fpb

 :'(
And the same reason we shouldn't accommodate those who think the earth is only 6000 years old.

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 12:11:33 AM
I honestly can't understand why any reasonably intelligent person would still claim to be a Republican in this day and age. Maybe you agree with some of their ideals (hopefully not all), but the party itself is just such a fucking joke right now. Democrats ain't perfect, either, but at least they aren't willfully being arrogant fucks getting in the way of any positive social progress to score some political points. Any party against public healthcare isn't a party anyone in this country should identify with; how they have taken platforms that essentially say "keep the rich richer, let the corporations have their way, and oh yeah men kissing men is ruining my day make it stop" and gotten millions of people to cosign this bullshit is sickening.

EDIT - And I used to think of myself as moderate, but lately I'm glad to say that I'm strictly liberal just so no one will even mistake me for sympathizing with the Republican party. :punch

When republicans and fox news pundits say that Obama is taking away their freedoms, what they really mean is that he is taking away their freedom to get ripped off and enslaved by corporations through higher regulations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2010, 02:38:55 PM
[youtube=560,345]F_1U4r8mWXY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 02:53:34 PM
Lively crowd she has there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:23:04 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253PiA7zIl4[/youtube]

Jon Voight :rofl I bet this motherfucker has an account on stormfront

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:23:04 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=253PiA7zIl4[/youtube]

Jon Voight :rofl I bet this motherfucker has an account on stormfront


It's more depressing that Jolie spouts his bullshit as well. Brad Pitt has said he always has arguments with her about Obama because she hates him and thinks he is a socialist.  :'(

It's almost creepy fox news airs this kinda stuff. His calmness makes it all the freakier.

I love the shot of tha audience and they are all old fat white people.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
I'll give him a pass since Jolie came from his nuts.

lol @ Obama being the first president to weaken the US. Guess he was sleep during Bush's terms - a typical phenomena within the tea party movement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:40:33 AM
Did you know that no terrorist attacks happened on US soil during Bush's presidency, either? Yeah, I've just started hearing that thrown around, too. Delusional repulitards are almost as bad as those conspiracy theorist loose change people. :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 01:37:00 AM
I'll give him a pass since Jolie came from his nuts.

I am not so sure about that. She may be hot but she shares much of her old mans wacko views.

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She's into education and rehabilitation and thinks Obama is all about welfare and handouts. She thinks Obama is really a socialist in disguise.


And the audience which probably doesn't make much money was clapping for a rich man openly whining that he shouldn't share any of his money in taxes is kinda sad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:45:23 AM
Eh, if you gave that audience any money they'd probably just spend it on more Big Macs :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 01:46:33 AM
-No terrorist attacks occurred on Bush's watch
-The Civil War wasn't about slavery
-The private economy was 100% private before Obama took over

history revision overload
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:49:33 AM
I can't wait until Republicans across the country start printing their own altered history books, to compete with the "liberal mainstream" versions :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 01:53:04 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:49:33 AM
I can't wait until Republicans across the country start printing their own altered history books, to compete with the "liberal mainstream" versions :rock
They already are. The Texas school board cut out Thomas Jefferson because he wasn't christian  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2010, 02:06:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2010, 02:38:55 PM
[youtube=560,345]F_1U4r8mWXY[/youtube]

As a big fan of To Kill A Mockingbird, you should be on board with this.

Imagine a poor farmer who can't pay for his antiviral meds in cash, instead leaving a basket of hickory nuts for Dr. Atticus Finch, oncologist.  I tear up just thinking about it.


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She obviously meant "haggle" rather than barter.  It's still dumb, cause an insurance company that represents thousands of people will have more leverage to get lower prices than a single person paying cash.  Try staying at a hospital without insurance and see how much they decide to charge you.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 02:26:26 AM
I laughed out loud sir

I can imagine Reid watching the video and thinking "I'm losing to this person?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 13, 2010, 02:31:49 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 01:34:56 AM
It's more depressing that Jolie spouts his bullshit as well. Brad Pitt has said he always has arguments with her about Obama because she hates him and thinks he is a socialist.  :'(

I hope they break up soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on April 13, 2010, 08:23:00 AM
an open, tea party militia?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_us/us_tea_party_militia

it begins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 08:28:34 AM
Jesus Christ. 2012 isn't gonna be some crazy act of God, it's gonna be fucktards taking shit over and then nuking the whole world into oblivion out of ignorance and stupidity. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 08:28:34 AM
Jesus Christ. 2012 isn't gonna be some crazy act of God, it's gonna be fucktards taking shit over and then nuking the whole world into oblivion out of ignorance and stupidity. :'(
Eh, there is not much to worry about. These crazy wackos can have a impact in off year elections like 2010 when nobody votes except for old white people but in presidential elections their strategy will backfire, especially when they see it work in off year elections and embrace it even more fully.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 13, 2010, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Akala on April 13, 2010, 08:23:00 AM
an open, tea party militia?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100412/ap_on_re_us/us_tea_party_militia

it begins.

The comments are the usual gold. The replies to the dumb comments are lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 13, 2010, 10:53:46 AM
I'm still not so sure that their strategy will work this year.  For like the first time ever, the DNC has got gobs more money to spend then the RNC, and the vulnerable dems might not actually be that vulnerable iffin they're running against Yosemite Sam in every race.

I'd be rather surprised if the elephants make any significant gains this year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 13, 2010, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 13, 2010, 01:49:33 AM
I can't wait until Republicans across the country start printing their own altered history books, to compete with the "liberal mainstream" versions :rock

Well, aren't they planning on something like this in Texas?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/us/politics/11texas.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/11/us/politics/11texas.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 13, 2010, 10:53:46 AM
I'm still not so sure that their strategy will work this year.  For like the first time ever, the DNC has got gobs more money to spend then the RNC, and the vulnerable dems might not actually be that vulnerable iffin they're running against Yosemite Sam in every race.

I'd be rather surprised if the elephants make any significant gains this year.

I definitely believe they will make some significant gains. That's not exactly a bold prediction. The opposition party generally does better in congressional elections. There is also some reality to the myth that angry conservatives are probably more reliable voters than angry liberals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 12:50:51 PM
Off year elections are all about the base due to the lower turnout and the GOP base is much more excited. it's pretty simple. It is meaningless looking at 2012 though. GOP did huge in 1994 but Clinton won by a pretty big margin in 1996.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 01:09:57 PM
You definitely can't read in 2012 from 2110 necessarily. Not only because of simply time but because of who votes and the media awareness and build up to any presidential election. It's a completely different beast.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2010, 01:09:57 PM
You definitely can't read in 2012 from 2110 necessarily. Not only because of simply time but because of who votes and the media awareness and build up to any presidential election. It's a completely different beast.
The media is going to push it hard for 2012 of course. Regardless if the GOP take back either house and it will be painful to listen to.

Though they have their reasons, we all remember how the huge Democratic victory in 1982 really helped Mondale in 1984 against Reagan after all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 01:56:13 PM
Good point about the money situation. Steele has really screwed that up. Dems will take heavy losses, but I think they can hold the house and senate unless things get horrible this summer.

Too bad they didn't pass the health care bill earlier so people would have more time to judge the early provisiosn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 01:57:42 PM
PD do you think Harry Reid is a goner?  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 02:49:32 PM
Great article by Ta-Nehisi Coate on the Confederate revision going on

The Ghost of Bobby Lee
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/04/the-ghost-of-bobby-lee/38813/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
[youtube=560,345]-0suhOSV3TI[/youtube]
Not enough :smug emotes in the world for this

Protecting kids with pre-existing conditions? Sure! Protecting adults with pre-existing conditions? Ha, they made their own bed, why should I pay for it!

Never mind that said pre-existing condition might have been with the adult since he/she was a kid, and have nothing to do with lifestyle decisions. OR maybe the adult got pregnant with a kid, which is considered a pre-existing condition and thus their fault. Pro-life indeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 13, 2010, 03:30:05 PM
I"m really interested to see how this (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/inside-man-how-a-prankster-plans-to-destroy-the-tea-party-movement.php) plays out. Introducing more paranoia to the ultra paranoid could have a recipe for win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 13, 2010, 05:33:50 PM
I think Megan McArdle came up a few pages back, anyways Total Annihilation (http://crookedtimber.org/2010/04/13/nobody-knows-the-trouble-theyve-seen/), I don't know why I ever got the impression that The Atlantic was anything of quality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 13, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/13/AR2010041303067.html

 :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 08:32:44 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 13, 2010, 05:33:50 PM
I don't know why I ever got the impression that The Atlantic was anything of quality.
Marc Ambinder is great and Andrew Sullivan can be sometimes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 13, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/13/AR2010041303067.html

 :violin
Quote
Over the weekend, Obama broke with years of protocol and slipped off to a soccer game without the "protective" pool that is always in the vicinity of the president in case the unthinkable occurs. Obama joked about it later to Pakistan's prime minister, saying reporters "were very upset."

I'm guessing he's talking about the press pool, and if that's the case why do they have to be there in case the "unthinkable" happens? To take pictures? He makes it sound like Obama ditched the secret service, David Palmer style.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 10:29:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2010, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Eric P on April 13, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/13/AR2010041303067.html

 :violin
Quote
Over the weekend, Obama broke with years of protocol and slipped off to a soccer game without the "protective" pool that is always in the vicinity of the president in case the unthinkable occurs. Obama joked about it later to Pakistan's prime minister, saying reporters "were very upset."

I'm guessing he's talking about the press pool, and if that's the case why do they have to be there in case the "unthinkable" happens? To take pictures? He makes it sound like Obama ditched the secret service, David Palmer style.
Obama wanted to watch his daughter play soccer without the press there snapping pictures the whole time? How dare he.


Carter once ditched his secret service protection when fishing on vacation when he was President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2010, 11:33:39 PM
The Washington media is nothing but a bunch of spoiled fucking babies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 13, 2010, 11:50:59 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on April 13, 2010, 11:33:39 PM
The Washington media is nothing but a bunch of spoiled fucking babies.
I like how they act like it is protection in case some emergency happens.  :lol What they mean is they want a picture of Obama from that moment they can paste on every magazine cover in case of an emergency.

Although I am not that sure Obama sitting in a lawn chair at a elementary school soccer field will fit the the ideal photograph if a terrorist attack hits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 14, 2010, 12:29:05 PM
Election 2012: Barack Obama 42%, Ron Paul 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41)

Quote
Pit maverick Republican Congressman Ron Paul against President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 election match-up, and the race is – virtually dead even.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely voters finds Obama with 42% support and Paul with 41% of the vote. Eleven percent (11%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Ask the Political Class, though, and it’s a blowout. While 58% of Mainstream voters favor Paul, 95% of the Political Class vote for Obama.

But Republican voters also have decidedly mixed feelings about Paul, who has been an outspoken critic of the party establishment.

(more at the link...)

<FoC>:smug </FoC>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 12:35:46 PM
:rofl

mainstream lolol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2010, 01:26:08 PM
:rofl

Rasmussen

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
Some good posts/discussion on the START issue
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20766829&postcount=18994

You'd think securing loose nuclear material would be the type of bipartisan issue that would go beyond petty politics and into "making the country safer" territory everyone could agree on. As a senator Obama worked on the issue in a bipartisan manner, and as president he's taking substantial steps on the issue alongside an coalition of nations. Yet the media and republican response has been a wall of incoherence, distortion, and concern trolling.

You never forget how to ride a bike, but clearly the media and the GOP have not only forgot what the legislative process looks like, they also forgot what diplomacy looks like after 8 years of darkness.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2010, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 03:18:36 PM
You'd think securing loose nuclear material would be the type of bipartisan issue that would go beyond petty politics and into "making the country safer" territory everyone could agree on.

Except the Goldwater wing of the GOP has always been paranoid about any type of disarmament (I'm pretty sure Reagan took a lot of fire from the right over the INF treaty), and a Democratic president gives them more incentives to fearmonger.

Here's a NYT story (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/world/europe/27start.html?pagewanted=all) on the Obama-Medvedev negotiations that led to the agreement.  Take it with a grain of salt, since stories like these are always sourced to insiders with an agenda.  Either way, the opening bit is great if you're a Dr. Strangelove fan, as it features an exasperated US president on the phone cajoling a Russian leader named Dmitri.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 04:05:38 PM
Quote
The meeting went so well that the Americans returned to their hotel and exchanged high fives

Quote
By Friday, the two presidents set aside the discord underlying those statements. Speaking on the phone, according to an American official, they congratulated themselves on breaking through the mistrust. “If you want something done right,” Mr. Medvedev began in English, and Mr. Obama finished his thought: “you do it yourself.”

can't wait for these scenes in the Obama movie!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 14, 2010, 06:07:24 PM
Considering that poll is from Rasmussen, isn't that kinda good for Obama?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 14, 2010, 07:24:35 PM
CNN did a poll this week of Obama vs. every current potential GOP nominee and his lowest lead (which was over Romney) was 8%. So yeah, of course Rasmussen shows him roughly tied with Paul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2010, 08:39:43 PM
I just wish Rasmussen had a syllable I could insert "lol" into  :-\

What a clown show

btw, anyone know what's the timetable for the Supreme Court nom?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2010, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 14, 2010, 08:39:43 PM
I just wish Rasmussen had a syllable I could insert "lol" into  :-\

What a clown show

btw, anyone know what's the timetable for the Supreme Court nom?

Figure out when the next session starts, and also all of the congressional recesses in between then and now.  I'm too lazy to do it!

Prediction:  Snowe, Collins, Brown and like one or two other Repubs end up voting for the nom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 14, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
Scott Rasmussen who runs the site has a book about the evils of big government and his polls have an exclusive  release deal with Fox News. His polls are done literally entirely for fox news talking points. Have you noticed none of the networks ever source Rasmussen? I remember once Chuck Todd mentioned it once and said no one in the media takes their polling seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 14, 2010, 08:51:37 PM
Big Climate continues to cover up its tricks; too late, the people have seen through their lies (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8618024.stm)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
Probably because he asks some pretty loaded questions. Nate Silver showed Ras polls were rather accurate during the election iirc, so that's not the question.

Most people don't know who Ron Paul is, and putting much clout in a telephone survey of likely voters is rather ridiculous
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 14, 2010, 08:57:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
Probably because he asks some pretty loaded questions. Nate Silver showed Ras polls were rather accurate during the election iirc, so that's not the question.

Most people don't know who Ron Paul is, and putting much clout in a telephone survey of likely voters is rather ridiculous
I think its mostly because Scott Rasmussen is openly Republican and the media probably doesn't want to showcase polls that are done by a partisan pollster even if they get a lot elections right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 14, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2010, 08:53:31 PM
Probably because he asks some pretty loaded questions. Nate Silver showed Ras polls were rather accurate during the election iirc, so that's not the question.

Most people don't know who Ron Paul is, and putting much clout in a telephone survey of likely voters is rather ridiculous

Not gonna Nate Silver this cause I don't really know, but wide election spreads in polls tighten up for the final results, Ras polls happening to be on the lower end is just his dumb luck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 14, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Rasmussen had Bush's approval in the high 40's for years after everyone else had it in the 30's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on April 14, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/6o390o.jpg)
(http://i39.tinypic.com/sbmy68.jpg)

the r[evol]ution begins anew
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
OMG YES HOLY SHIT

Someone find FoC and make him post in this thread, I want to poke him with a stick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 12:45:38 AM
Quote
If you're running a news organization and you tend to cite Rasmussen's polls disproportionately, it probably means that you are biased -- it does not necessarily mean that Rasmussen is biased.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/is-rasmussen-reports-biased.html

Also he discusses the loaded wording often found in Ras polls. His polls of the 08 election turned out to be rather accurate compared to say, Zogby lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 15, 2010, 12:50:32 AM
haha dude's welding a battle axe

Think about what the crossover is between them and LARPers/Medival Faire goers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 01:08:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 12:45:38 AM
Quote
If you're running a news organization and you tend to cite Rasmussen's polls disproportionately, it probably means that you are biased -- it does not necessarily mean that Rasmussen is biased.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/is-rasmussen-reports-biased.html

Also he discusses the loaded wording often found in Ras polls. His polls of the 08 election turned out to be rather accurate compared to say, Zogby lol
haha wtf Jimmy Fallon attacked Rasmussens polling on his late night show.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2010, 01:18:45 AM
Jim Bunning has apparently endorsed Rand Paul to succeed him as the Senator from Kentucky.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 01:23:24 AM
This is good news for John McCain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 01:34:28 AM
There is a humorous Senate primary down here in Florida where Charlie Crist is being challenged by a "real conservative" Marco Rubio

https://www.marcorubio.com/will-charlie-abandon-the-gop-again/

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwpZHxhfyhU[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YcrhYw1I0[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTmpGfGiDTw[/youtube]

Crist will win easily and the Democrat stands no chance but these purity wars are always funny.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 01:38:51 AM
Crist will easily win? Isn't he down like 30 points or some shit. Kos has been dreaming about Crist switching parties, but Crist pretty much closed that door when he started going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow on health care.

Poor Meeks. Whoever wins, he loses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 01:45:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 01:38:51 AM
Crist will easily win? Isn't he down like 30 points or some shit. Kos has been dreaming about Crist switching parties, but Crist pretty much closed that door when he started going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow on health care.

Poor Meeks. Whoever wins, he loses.

Crist is down at the moment according to the polls (hugely down according to Rasmussen) but I just don't believe that will be the case when the primary rolls around although I'll be the first to eat my words if Rubio happens to win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 01:59:20 AM
Crist is down by like 20-30% and the primary is pretty soon. Rubio is a star and a hero to the GOP base he cant lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2010, 02:14:39 AM
Rubio also wants to eliminate medicare and social security and is too stupid to lie about it, both major no-nos in Geriatricland.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 02:17:43 AM
It blows my mind that he's talking about shitcanning medicare/social security and is still up 30% in fucking Florida. That should be ALL Crist talks about. Instead he takes weak pot shots smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 02:22:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 02:17:43 AM
It blows my mind that he's talking about shitcanning medicare/social security and is still up 30% in fucking Florida. That should be ALL Crist talks about. Instead he takes weak pot shots smh

Honestly most normal people are only really starting to pay attention to this stuff now and going forward. The primary isn't until August which is still a lifetime away. I expect it to get much more nasty and negative as we get closer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 02:27:03 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2010, 02:22:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 02:17:43 AM
It blows my mind that he's talking about shitcanning medicare/social security and is still up 30% in fucking Florida. That should be ALL Crist talks about. Instead he takes weak pot shots smh

Honestly most normal people are only really starting to pay attention to this stuff now and going forward. The primary isn't until August which is still a lifetime away. I expect it to get much more nasty and negative as we get closer.
The base votes in the primary not "normal" people though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 15, 2010, 02:39:39 AM
also, Crist has teh gay (closted, of course).  And if being gay and republican isn't a liability, then I don't know what is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 02:46:59 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 15, 2010, 02:39:39 AM
also, Crist has teh gay (closted, of course).  And if being gay and republican isn't a liability, then I don't know what is.

[youtube=560,345]_3FfrxW6qbQ[/youtube]
:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 03:29:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 02:46:59 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 15, 2010, 02:39:39 AM
also, Crist has teh gay (closted, of course).  And if being gay and republican isn't a liability, then I don't know what is.

[youtube=560,345]_3FfrxW6qbQ[/youtube]
:teehee
you've seen those pics of crist at the college town clubs? Gaay.

Bill Maher once outed him as gay on Larry King and it was edited out of the repeat.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 03:37:30 AM
I haven't seen the pics  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 04:25:16 AM
You mean the elite Obama is taxing the shit out of? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 04:27:13 AM
I thought taxing the poor and giving tax breaks to the rich was what our country's economy was founded on? :bow :usacry

Obama's just playing it by the book, guys!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 05:57:16 AM
I just found out there's gonna be some Tea Party event in New York City today. I'm seriously considering crashing it. Apparently Lou Dobbs will be there :teehee :hyper

(http://i44.tinypic.com/106as9f.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 15, 2010, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2010, 01:18:45 AM
Jim Bunning has apparently endorsed Rand Paul to succeed him as the Senator from Kentucky.


Anything to get rid of Bunning.  He is the craziest most infuriating fucker on Earth as far as I'm concerned.

If I am not mistaken Rand Paul and running ahead of Trey Greyson in the polls right now.  Paul might be a LOLbertopian (even though he is running R) but his replacing Bunning can only be an improvement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2010, 09:49:15 AM
ugh

glad to be working from home
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 05:57:16 AM
I just found out there's gonna be some Tea Party event in New York City today. I'm seriously considering crashing it. Apparently Lou Dobbs will be there :teehee :hyper


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 05:57:16 AM
I just found out there's gonna be some Tea Party event in New York City today. I'm seriously considering crashing it. Apparently Lou Dobbs will be there :teehee :hyper

(http://i44.tinypic.com/106as9f.jpg)

Yes! Do it and make a hilariously weird sign to carry around.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 15, 2010, 10:41:04 AM
Commute home from work is gonna suck, I pass right by a tea party in Hauppauge, in front of the Korean War monument no less (wtf?)...

Maybe I'll pay a trip to the supermarket so I can get a carton of eggs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 10:49:50 AM
I almost wish I didn't live in hippie college town land just so I could sneak into a tea party.
(http://img210.yfrog.com/img210/6573/x7f.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2010, 04:54:47 PM
(http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/obamarapistcartoon-300x227.jpg)


:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
holy shit  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 05:22:13 PM
So apparently the protest is happening tonight from 7-9 at the huge post office in midtown:

(http://www.nytix.com/Blog/newyorkcity/uploaded_images/farley-715904.jpg)

Yeah, I'm probably gonna check it out :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 15, 2010, 05:45:49 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 05:22:13 PM
So apparently the protest is happening tonight from 7-9 at the huge post office in midtown:

(http://www.nytix.com/Blog/newyorkcity/uploaded_images/farley-715904.jpg)

Yeah, I'm probably gonna check it out :D
Bring my sign idea :(

JOE BIDEN: WHERE'S YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 15, 2010, 05:50:28 PM
i used to live a few blocks from there on 29th st
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
I don't have time or the resources to make a badass sign :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 15, 2010, 06:08:39 PM
I'm sure any amount of time you spent would be more effort than most teabaggers put into it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2010, 08:15:39 PM
Quote
And nearly three-quarters of those who favor smaller government said they would prefer it even if it meant spending on domestic programs would be cut.

But in follow-up interviews, Tea Party supporters said they did not want to cut Medicare or Social Security — the biggest domestic programs, suggesting instead a focus on “waste.”

Some defended being on Social Security while fighting big government by saying that since they had paid into the system, they deserved the benefits.

Others could not explain the contradiction.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2010, 08:35:35 PM
They want smaller govt. so that those dirty poors and strapping young bucks don't get any handouts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2010, 09:29:51 PM
it's really all about displaced rage and the need to look down on SOMEONE when times are hard. in this case, it's looking down on LAZY POORS LOOKING FOR HANDOUTS, which, thanks to the fact that many minorities are poor, often appears as racism (or is indeed actual racism).

american exceptionalism causes the strange refusal by the lower classes to accept that THEY ARE THE ONES BEING SHAT UPON. instead of raging against the shitters, they prefer to pretend that they themselves are in some sort of shitting position, although, as we've seen, it's getting harder to ignore the stench
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2010, 09:32:39 PM
bubububububububu class warfare
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 15, 2010, 09:33:09 PM
Even though more whites are on welfare than teh blackies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 15, 2010, 09:38:39 PM
well they are lazy too, but they are OUR lazy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 15, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
No joke. Today I saw a black truck outside the library that said,"Obama's 2010 Plan". It had two drawings: one on the left, one on the right. The one on the right showed loads of cash stacked up high and it was labeled "the feds". The one on the left had a gravestone with RIP written across it, labeled "the rest of us".

I couldn't stop laughing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2010, 09:45:16 PM
Quote
Even though more whites are on welfare than teh blackies.

Maybe in raw numbers, but as a percentage based on race, the darkies have the teabaggers beat. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 10:04:35 PM
So it looks like the republicans are gonna block financial reform from even being debating on the senate floor.
Quote
Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell has rounded up 40 signatures on a letter, to be delivered to Democratic leadership, pushing for a compromise package that has pre-cooked bipartisan support, according to a GOP aide. Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) is the sole Republican who has not signed on yet--but though she's been long viewed as a potential crossover vote, she's decided to oppose the Dodd bill in its current form.

"I oppose Senator Dodd's bill," Collins said
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/head-on-collision-republicans-threaten-to-block-debate-on-financial-reform.php?ref=fpblg

So if she votes with her party, the bill doesn't go to the floor. Can we get rid of the filibuster plz kthnxbye '
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 15, 2010, 10:35:56 PM
Went to the Tea Party thing. Very odd experience. Video is ON THE WAY. :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 15, 2010, 11:21:04 PM
Bipartisan bills are THE most watered down bills.

Republicans opposing Obama will get the headlines while at the same time siding with the banks doesn't even get a mention.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2010, 11:27:22 PM
So when will Rahm call Reid and tell him to throw a bipartisan bill together to pass, resulting in months of concessions and set backs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 16, 2010, 12:03:53 AM
This should be the Dem's absolute easiest wedge issue and they won't do shit to call out the Repubs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 16, 2010, 12:37:58 AM
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/mastershake05/teabagz.jpg)

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 01:40:48 AM
Obama extends hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners of gays (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041505502.html?hpid=topnews).

Damn straight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 02:03:27 AM
Nice.

gotta be a class a bigot to disagree on that

edit
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20793822&postcount=24
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on April 16, 2010, 02:11:11 AM
Gaborn's not impressed. Not surprisingly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2010, 02:12:13 AM
Quote from: Rman on April 16, 2010, 02:11:11 AM
Gaborn's not impressed. Not surprisingly.

That's because he's a hypocritical slightly bigoted dumbass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2010, 02:19:55 AM
bubububu the love of my life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2010, 02:25:38 AM
...he's very openly gay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
IIRC Gaborn's gay and think that any incremental progress in LGBT rights is bad because it will make people complacent about lobbying for totally equal rights.

He's also stunningly ignorant of history.  Like crazy uninformed.  I think Boogie can vouch for this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2010, 02:40:53 AM
I always giggle whenever he brings up court precedent...and then fails to explain said precedent.

"bububu blank V blank"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2010, 03:37:00 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
IIRC Gaborn's gay and think that any incremental progress in LGBT rights is bad because it will make people complacent about lobbying for totally equal rights.

He's also stunningly ignorant of history.  Like crazy uninformed.  I think Boogie can vouch for this.

Yeah, he's the idjit that wanted McCain to win because it would, in his estimation, speed up the process of marriage equality.  "Something something incrementalism, blah blah blah" or what have you.  I also think he's a libertopian, or has those tendencies.

Although I will say that if I were gay, I would be pretty frustrated with some of the gay lobbying groups like HRC which don't really do a good job of issue advocacy imo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 03:46:50 AM
If he's a libertarian why should he be concerned about the gubment giving him rights? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 16, 2010, 10:16:55 AM
...Because when you're bleeding out on the street you don't exactly have the opportunity to be selective on what hospital you wind up in and make sure they are going to respect your rights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 16, 2010, 10:29:14 AM
Oh ok
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 16, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: jaydubya
Why should the federal executive branch have any say about the visitation policies of a hospital?

Why do hospital visitation rights depend on what you do with your dick?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on April 16, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on April 16, 2010, 10:00:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 02:03:27 AM
Nice.

gotta be a class a bigot to disagree on that

No, I don't.

Why should the federal executive branch have any say about the visitation policies of a hospital?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 03:46:50 AM
If he's a libertarian why should he be concerned about the gubment giving him rights? :smug

Silly PeeDee, gubments can't give rights.

Stay tuned! Tautologies to follow in 3, 2, 1...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 16, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 16, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: jaydubya
Why should the federal executive branch have any say about the visitation policies of a hospital?

Why do hospital visitation rights depend on what you do with your dick?

Is it really that hard for you to see why the type of person you fall in love with is equivalent to your presence in an ICU in the eyes of a hospital? I mean, manbutts are so gross man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 10:36:46 AM
Governments can't give rights? Who gave African Americans and women the right to vote then?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 16, 2010, 10:37:30 AM
Communist insurgents
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 16, 2010, 10:39:33 AM
John Adams.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 16, 2010, 10:54:28 AM
Wow, you're right!

Listen up black people, back to pickin' cotton! Nobody is free until the bourgeoisie deems it so without federal interference!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2010, 11:01:48 AM
Sweet, I'm totally gonna get me a couple of black people when I go out to the store today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 16, 2010, 11:18:37 AM
we will only be truly free when business owners have final say in every aspect of our lives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2010, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
IIRC Gaborn's gay and think that any incremental progress in LGBT rights is bad because it will make people complacent about lobbying for totally equal rights.

He's also stunningly ignorant of history.  Like crazy uninformed.  I think Boogie can vouch for this.

This. He has lots of weird theories about social progress that he has mixed with his "libertarianism". He has a hard time reconciling the fact that people who self identify as conservatives in this country hate his specific social group at worst and at best don't want them to gain any additional rights. 


The bigoted comment came after suddenly he was mad at black people after that prop in California and made some especially ignorant comments. Which hey lets face it. There is rampant and nasty homophobia in the black community which is lame. But let's not pretend 6% of the population of California dicatated what occured in that state.

He also backs himself into stupid corners like with his spirited defense of Sarah Palin when she was originally nominated for the VP slot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 16, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
Taxed to death! (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=04&year=2010&base_name=three_cheers_for_tax_day)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 12:05:17 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on April 16, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
Here's the other rub.  If you grant that president A can dictate this, you grant that president B can dictate the opposite.
So President's shouldn't be allowed extend rights to individuals that another President can remove? So basically President's should do....nothing? So FDR shouldn't have guaranteed the elderly the right that they will have a monthly income because a President could theoretically remove this right? Same applies to the right of freedom for slaves implemented by Lincoln. Since the possibility exists a crazy enough President & Congress could reinstate slavery. Basically this could apply to every single right individuals cherish that came about since post-constitution & bill of rights.

Our country wouldn't be able to function without the rights granted to people in the mid-20th century stretching from FDR through LBJ. You can't seriously debate against that fact.

Hell look, some schools in Mississippi are STILL trying to use segregation as of 2010. If it wasn't for an activist federal government granting the much needed rights to the black community who knows how long it would have taken the south to catch up if the state governments would have been left to do it themselves. It sure has hell wouldn't have happened in the 60's nor most likely the 70's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 16, 2010, 12:07:54 PM
http://theother95.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 03:12:43 PM
If people have God-given rights, one would hope that self-ownership is among them.  That implies being able to reach a mutual agreement (a "contract" even) regarding who will speak for the patient when they are incapacitated, and who the patient can consult with for major decisions.  Telling care providers to respect the autonomy and choices of their patients and not coerce* them into accepting new terms seems like a damn fine libertarian goal to me.


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* Cause let's be honest.  If someone says "Do this or we pull the plug, in which case there's a very good chance you'll be in severe pain/permanently injured/dead" that's coercion.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2010, 05:10:00 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on April 16, 2010, 03:37:00 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 02:30:25 AM
IIRC Gaborn's gay and think that any incremental progress in LGBT rights is bad because it will make people complacent about lobbying for totally equal rights.

He's also stunningly ignorant of history.  Like crazy uninformed.  I think Boogie can vouch for this.

Yeah, he's the idjit that wanted McCain to win because it would, in his estimation, speed up the process of marriage equality.  "Something something incrementalism, blah blah blah" or what have you.  I also think he's a libertopian, or has those tendencies.

Yeah, I've seen him say similar things, and it's baffling how that rationale works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
It's almost like he think's we'll get gay marriage if we treat gays badly enough. I find it really odd. Most social changes and acceptance in our society happened incrementally.

Schools weren't desegregated, and blacks weren't given full voting rights soon as the the slaves were freed. I have no idea where in American history his rational has basis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2010, 05:19:08 PM
He's not black by any chance as well, is he? :lol


Also:

(http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/flageyes.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 16, 2010, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
It's almost like he think's we'll get gay marriage if we treat gays badly enough. I find it really odd. Most social changes and acceptance in our society happened incrementally.

Schools weren't desegregated, and blacks weren't given full voting rights soon as the the slaves were freed. I have no idea where in American history his rational has basis.

Yeah.  It's almost like he wants to be subjected to scrutiny and skepticism so he can always have something to point towards for his shortcomings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 16, 2010, 05:35:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on April 16, 2010, 05:33:26 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 05:15:22 PM
It's almost like he think's we'll get gay marriage if we treat gays badly enough. I find it really odd. Most social changes and acceptance in our society happened incrementally.

Schools weren't desegregated, and blacks weren't given full voting rights soon as the the slaves were freed. I have no idea where in American history his rational has basis.

Yeah.  It's almost like he wants to be subjected to scrutiny and skepticism so he can always have something to point towards for his shortcomings.

I don't necessarily think its that or there isn't enough evidence to come to that conclusion. I think its more accurate to say he has a fundamental disconnect and lack of understanding about how social progress actually takes place historically. Which is very common, the younger a person generally is.

He seems to operate in a fantasy libertarian world where he thinks the the rules of the actual world follow his philosophy.

EDIT: To be fair this fallacy tends to afflict those on the far left and far right also who are absolutely rigid about their personal philosophies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2010, 08:01:52 PM
Since when did El Rushbo and his ilk suddenly start loving NASA of all things?


http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004160038
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 10:50:43 PM
Yeah I found the sudden right outrage over scrapping the moon program strange. It's a govt. program and govt. spending after all. NASA fits the definition of "big government" pretty damn well. The idea of privatizing space travel seems like the ideal situation for the the right. I think it just makes it more and more obvious they oppose much of what Obama does purely due to intense personal dislike of him rather than any real honest worry about how much govt. spending there is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
NASA is more than a govt program.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
NASA is more than a govt program.


It is, but think about it. Space travel and advancement being done via privatized businesses rather than on the govt. dime would be what conservatives in theory would prefer, no?

This is purely a knee jerk reaction because it was an Obama decision. If Obama announced he was vastly increasing spending on the moon program instead you know very well Rush would  say he is wasting tax payers dollars.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 11:01:05 PM
Not really. I think you're putting too much emphasis on text book descriptions of conservatives. NASA's missions have influenced the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans regardless of political ideology. And of course a lot of NASA's technological advancements have influenced domestic and military products.

Then there's the whole nationalistic part of things which is right up conservative's alley. Letting China, Russia, etc get ahead of our space programs is not ideal from that perspective.

The only think about that comment that made me take note was the idea that dismantling NASA is some liberal concoction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 11:05:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 11:01:05 PM
Not really. I think you're putting too much emphasis on text book descriptions of conservatives. NASA's missions have influenced the hopes and dreams of millions of Americans regardless of political ideology. And of course a lot of NASA's technological advancements have influenced domestic and military products.

Then there's the whole nationalistic part of things which is right up conservative's alley. Letting China, Russia, etc get ahead of our space programs is not ideal from that perspective.

The only think about that comment that made me take note was the idea that dismantling NASA is some liberal concoction.
So you are saying they put NASA in the sacred place with the military in which govt. spending is great and should never be cut? I get that, makes sense.

Though Obama is increasing NASA's funding by 600 million. Not really a good first step if you want to start dismantling of NASA.

It would be funny for Obama, a self-confessed Trekkie to be the one to cut apart NASA though lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 11:06:43 PM
I'm not a nerd so this doesn't bother me :smug

How about a cut to Israeli aide kthnxbye
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 11:06:43 PM
I'm not a nerd so this doesn't bother me :smug
You read fantasy books and play WoW. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2010, 12:41:53 AM
Republicans hold no special love or allegiance towards NASA. In fact arch conservatives like Tancredo openly are antagonistic towards it and advocate for deep cuts.

NASA is one of those programs that people are leery of spending big bucks despite our love affair with the romantic moon missions nostalgia we have from the 60's (liberal and conservative alive. Liberals because it envokes idealism. And conservatives because it invokes patriotism) especially when the country is hurting because the direct impacts are hard for regular people to see. It can seem like a vanity project during hard times.

If Obama said tomorrow that clubing and killing seals was fun and a neat thing to do, then Limbaugh would immediately become a save the sweet puppy dog seals kind of guy. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2010, 12:42:29 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 16, 2010, 11:07:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2010, 11:06:43 PM
I'm not a nerd so this doesn't bother me :smug

You read fantasy books and play WoW. :smug

One can't possibly "play" WoW.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 17, 2010, 12:45:52 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 16, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: jaydubya
Why should the federal executive branch have any say about the visitation policies of a hospital?

Why do hospital visitation rights depend on what you do with your dick?

Love how JayDubya had absolutely no reply to this. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2010, 01:25:20 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on March 21, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
the BEST BEST part is not having to endure cheeb's triumphalism over a totally pyrrhic victory -- the bill sucks ass as far as real reform goes, with its only upside being the blown minds of teabaggers and maybe ending recission

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 01:34:28 AM
Too bad it isn't wasn't just a pure pyrrhic victory. Pure socialized single payer system isn't the only definition of improved reform.

Your opinion isn't the only one possible boys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2010, 02:42:00 AM
something something riding in the back of mom's car
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2010, 03:18:02 AM
tl dr. waiting on the government to read it for me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 17, 2010, 03:52:44 AM
lolbertarian. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 09:43:59 AM
Wait how is giving old people social security money as you put it "morally" wrong? Supporting our citizens who are too old to work for an income themselves is morally wrong? Whaaa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 17, 2010, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 09:43:59 AM
Wait how is giving old people social security money as you put it "morally" wrong? Supporting our citizens who are too old to work for an income themselves is morally wrong? Whaaa

To quote a great libertarian:

Fucktard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 17, 2010, 10:48:59 AM
Maybe. But I hang out with the Evangelion character designer.  Jealous? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 17, 2010, 11:02:27 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 11:51:27 AM
I still want to know why its morally a bad thing to help out old people.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2010, 12:12:33 PM
That's right, guys.  Taxing people with the goal of helping old people not die homeless is morally reprehensible.  And this is why libertarians will never win anything.  Good stuff, good stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 01:06:59 PM
I've known a handful of decent libertarians in my time, but why are the vast majority so fucking stupid? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 17, 2010, 01:10:35 PM
Hitokage posted this the other day at gaf. It's long and i haven't finished it all yet but it is an amazing read.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/Rush%20Newspeak%20%20Fascism.pdf

Quote
When the right accuses liberals of “fascism,” it almost always does so in an effort to obscure its own fascist
proclivities — and it reminds the rest of us just whose footsoldiers are in reality merrily goosestepping
down the national garden path.

Quote
Eco identifies a series of traits that sum up the essence of what he calls “Ur-Fascism,” that is, the beast
that has always been with us and will always be. Now, although this piece was written in 1995, let’s see
how many we can recognize today:
The cult of tradition.
[Who are the folks who beat their breasts (and ours) incessantly over the primacy of
‘traditional Judaeo-Christian culture’?]
The rejection of modernism.
[Think ‘feminazis.’ Think attacks on the NEA. Think attacks on multiculturalism.]
Irrationalism.
[G.W. Bush’s anti-intellectualism and illogical, skewed speech are positively celebrated
by the right.]
Action for action’s sake.
[Exactly why are we making war on Iraq, anyway?]
Disagreement is treason.
[“Liberals are anti-American.”]
Fear of difference.
[Again, think of the attacks on multiculturalism, as well as the attacks on Muslims and
Islam generically.]
Appeal to a frustrated middle class.
[See the Red states — you know, the ones who voted for Bush. The ones where
Limbaugh is on the air incessantly.]
Obsession with a plot.
[limbaugh and conservatives have been obsessed with various “plots” by liberals for the
past decade — see, e.g., the Clinton impeachment, and current claims of a “fifth column”
among liberals.]
5
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 01:14:58 PM
Real talk: What's worse, a hardcore republitard or a "loose change" conspiracy theory nut?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 17, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Both live in the world of their own made up fantasies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
what ever happened to the 9/11 nuts? they seemed to have disappeared
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 17, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Both live in the world of their own made up fantasies.

Yeah, but which actually has the power and influence to change things in this country? :-\

I am literally disgusted that Fox News exists and is broadcast as some sort of news outlet. And it consistently gets the highest ratings of the lot. And I know people who seem to believe that it is truly "fair and balanced" and "reports the news the mainstream liberal media doesn't want you to hear". It's disgusting to think people who buy into that shit are turning around and helping to pass any sort of legislation in this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 01:17:50 PM
what ever happened to the 9/11 nuts? they seemed to have disappeared

I guess now they've taken on a new cause: Trying to convince people Obama is really the antichrist and/or a secret Muslim :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 17, 2010, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 01:19:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 17, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
Both live in the world of their own made up fantasies.

Yeah, but which actually has the power and influence to change things in this country? :-\

I am literally disgusted that Fox News exists and is broadcast as some sort of news outlet. And it consistently gets the highest ratings of the lot. And I know people who seem to believe that it is truly "fair and balanced" and "reports the news the mainstream liberal media doesn't want you to hear". It's disgusting to think people who buy into that shit are turning around and helping to pass any sort of legislation in this country.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news

If by pulling less than 3M people in is supposed to be awesome ratings, I'm not seeing it. The popularity of fox is extremely overblown.
Also, there are a lot of libruls who watch fox just to get a gauge on the propaganda that the right is leveling on the dumber sect of the American population. I'd be more concerned if fox wasn't being called out on their horseshit every day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 02:02:24 PM
I meant in comparison to other news outlets. This:

FNC – 1,229,000 viewers
CNN – 385,000 viewers
MSNBC – 407,000 viewers
CNBC – 187,000 viewers
HLN – 393,000 viewers

is troubling :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 17, 2010, 02:07:55 PM
I would smugly argue that(since you copied daytime stats) that fox's viewers are largely made up of retired and out of work white people while the libruls are at work. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 02:09:18 PM
It's also the retired crazies that are first in line to go vote against gay marriage and what have you :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on April 17, 2010, 02:17:10 PM
My grandpa still forwards me some of the religio-conservatard mass emails. He was an M.D. You'd think that someone with his intellectual capabilities would be able to see through some of the obvious bullshit, but you'd be mistaken. It really is all about what you want to believe in many cases.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 02:02:24 PM
I meant in comparison to other news outlets. This:

FNC – 1,229,000 viewers
CNN – 385,000 viewers
MSNBC – 407,000 viewers
CNBC – 187,000 viewers
HLN – 393,000 viewers

is troubling :'(
NBC Nightly News - 8,050,000
ABC World News - 7,270,000
CBS Evening News - 5,160,000

And in terms of pure political shows
"Meet the Press" - 2.99M
"This Week" - 2.50M
"Face The Nation" - 2.33M

In the grand scheme of things of television news sources Fox News is a minor blip.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2010, 02:24:44 PM
Normal people meaning 95% of people who follow politics don't follow it on some factual or intellectual basis. Politics is about group dynamics. Your group versus the other group whichever side you identify with for whatever various reasons.

Fox draws big relative numbers for news because it is the channel that is most openly a rooting network not that every other network is perfect balanced but Fox is essentially "conservative news" aka news for Republicans.

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it was openly identified as a conservative news network but since it isn't you have a news network in the eco-system that openly has an agenda that can influence other news networks.

They wield more influence than a normal network of that size would due to this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 02:25:48 PM
A minor blip that can rally people to do shit like the Tea Party protests? It may not be the biggest, but I think it's certainly has the most influence on its audience.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
I don't think anyone confuses it as a unbiased news source by 2010 though. It is such a huge aspect of pop culture that it hard to avoid. Movies, late night shows, sitcoms....etc have all made reference to Fox News's bias. No one can be unaware by this point and be confused. Even the most politically unaware have probably been exposed to multiple fox news jokes.

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 02:25:48 PM
A minor blip that can rally people to do shit like the Tea Party protests? It may not be the biggest, but I think it's certainly has the most influence on its audience.
Of course it has way more of a influence but you were posting ratings.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 17, 2010, 02:30:23 PM
I don't think having like five times the audience of the other channels during the day is such a small thing. Like I said, a lot of the people who are the first in line to vote are also home watching Fox News while you dirty commies are at work or school. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on April 17, 2010, 12:12:33 PM
That's right, guys.  Taxing people with the goal of helping old people not die homeless is morally reprehensible.  And this is why libertarians will never win anything.  Good stuff, good stuff.

Dunno dude, a young messican dude is beating the shit out of a nice older white gentlemen on a platform that calls for cutting social security and medicare in fucking Florida
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 17, 2010, 04:57:07 PM
a nice GAY older white gentleman
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 17, 2010, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on April 17, 2010, 12:12:33 PM
That's right, guys.  Taxing people with the goal of helping old people not die homeless is morally reprehensible.  And this is why libertarians will never win anything.  Good stuff, good stuff.

Dunno dude, a young messican dude is beating the shit out of a nice older white gentlemen on a platform that calls for cutting social security and medicare in fucking Florida
In a republican primary. A closed republican primary.

If it was a general election of just crist vs rubio crist would win easily.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2010, 02:00:01 PM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100418/D9F58FG01.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 18, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Quote
WALLACE: You said, I never considered myself a maverick.

MCCAIN: Well, all I — what I was saying was that I have considered myself a person who’s a fighter. I wouldn’t be around today if I wasn’t a fighter. I fight for the things that I believe in, and sometimes that’s called a maverick. Sometimes that’s called a partisan. And people can draw their own conclusions. I prefer great American myself, but…

WALLACE: So are you running away from the maverick title…

MCCAIN: No, of course not.

WALLACE: … because somehow it indicates that maybe you’re not a true blue conservative?

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQha6txKn6g[/youtube]

:usa prefers to be descrbed as Great American :usa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2010, 02:26:55 PM
Straight Talk Express!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on April 18, 2010, 04:41:42 PM
(http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/libertarian.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2010, 06:39:59 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 18, 2010, 07:17:52 PM
http://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/12419104794 (http://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/12419104794)
:rofl
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
The 50b was there to help ensure tax payer money doesn't go towards bailing out corporations, for instance by paying to keep the lights on as stuff is dismantled/SEC does its thing. Eliminating the fund ensures tax payer money will go towards bailout processes. Which is probably what McConnel wants (get cash for the finance industry, complain about Obama giving said cash to the finance industry), and what the corporations probably want to.

He's really exposed himself as someone who doesn't know anything about anything, and isn't interested in legislating or doing anything but play politics.

edit:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=20833277&postcount=19752

Ah ok, so getting rid of it isn't a bad idea, and the compromise also ensures Americans don't foot the bill. Although given the fact that the government provides the money first, it would be even easier for conservatives to complain about this while leaving out the part about the money being payed back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 18, 2010, 11:32:26 PM
Not American politics but holy shit the liberal third party most wrote off in England has been surging like crazy and is now leading the polls for the first time in history. Absolutely crazy.


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/04/18/liberal_democrats_take_lead_in_britain.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 18, 2010, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on April 18, 2010, 04:41:42 PM
(http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/libertarian.png)
:lol

Perfect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 19, 2010, 04:39:38 PM
This is too funny.

A day in the life of Obama(as envisioned by a typical republican) (http://trueslant.com/lewisgrossberger/2010/04/15/a-day-in-the-life-of-obama-as-envisioned-by-a-typical-republican/)

Quote
6:30 AM: Obama awakened by clock radio tuned to NPR’s popular morning drive-time show, Kronsky the Bomb Thrower and His Anarcho-Syndicalist Zoo. “You know what would be fun?” Kronsky quips. “Getting the workers to seize the means of production and execute the blood-sucking capitalist bosses!” “If only,” mutters Obama.

7:30 AM: on way to Oval Office, Obama ducks into private chapel, slipping off shoes and prostrating self while facing Mecca. He chants high-pitched, ululating prayer to Allah in foreign tongue then before leaving, bows before busts of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Saul Alinsky.

7:40 AM: Rahm Emanuel enters Oval Office, gives Obama secret Illuminati handshake, says, “Good morning, Comrade President. The Iranian ambassador is here to discuss his scheme to undermine America’s security.” Obama says, “Show him right in.”

9:05 AM: Snack of sweetened camel milk served with dates, figs, pita and hummus. Then Iranian ambassador exits White House through secret tunnel so Fox News won’t see him.

9:30 AM: House Speaker Pelosi arrives to plot strategy for government takeover of lucrative garbage-collection industry. Obama gives her large suitcase full of cash for bribing Congressmen.

10 AM: Editors of New York Times, Washington Post, New Yorker arrive to receive weekly instructions.

11 AM: Daily intelligence briefing by CIA and Pentagon officials on activities of America’s enemies. Bored, Obama does crossword puzzle, then dozes off.

Noon: Lunch with leaders of world gay conspiracy, who lobby Obama to appoint a transsexual to Supreme Court.

2 PM: Quiet ceremony in Rose Garden, where elders of Kikuyu tribe give Obama plaque honoring him as first Kenyan to become President of U.S.

3 PM: Latte with key advisers Al Gore, Michael Moore, Rev. Wright, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton, Bill Ayers.

4 PM: Basketball with White House staffers. Obama’s side allowed to win, as usual.

7 PM: Dinner with family, leaders of Acorn.

9 PM: Obama reads a chapter from Das Kapital for Kids to Sasha, Malia.

10 PM: In private quarters, Obama, Michelle are so moved watching PBS documentary on suffering of poor widows and children of al Qaeda suicide bombers,  they decide to make contribution.

11 PM: Bong hits, anal sex, then sleep.

2:25 AM: Succubus enters bedroom, mounts sleeping President and has her way with him while whispering demonic instructions for next day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2010, 05:57:00 PM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201004180001
lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 19, 2010, 06:11:00 PM
(http://www.sadlyno.com/wordpress/uploads/2010/04/tea_party_barbie.jpg)
(http://www.sadlyno.com/wordpress/uploads/2010/04/tea_party_barbie_before.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 19, 2010, 07:10:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 16, 2010, 02:30:25 AM


He's also stunningly ignorant of history.  Like crazy uninformed.  I think Boogie can vouch for this.

Unfortunately, your memory is better than mine, Mandark.  I vaguely know about what you're referring to, but I can't for the life of me remember what the actual topic of discussion was.  And with GAF's search function nuked, I doubt I could find the thread.  This is one of those memory gaps that's going to bug the hell out of me for the next couple of hours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2010, 07:17:45 PM
just tell yourself it was about Japan/atomic bomb and smile knowing you owned him good
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2010, 08:16:38 PM
The gist was "Woodrow Wilson helped cause post-WWI instability by taking a hardline stance at Versailles".  Practically verbatim.

Gaborn's had a few other stupid-bombs like that, including "the US didn't borrow money to fight WW2" and "racists didn't vote in US elections in the early/mid-20th century".

It's the overconfidence in his judgments combined with the sub-HS textbook level of familiarity with history.  I'm probably as guilty as anyone for pontificating on subjects where I've actually got pretty thin knowledge, but goddam.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 19, 2010, 08:23:57 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 19, 2010, 08:16:38 PM
The gist was "Woodrow Wilson helped cause post-WWI instability by taking a hardline stance at Versailles".  Practically verbatim.

lolz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on April 19, 2010, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 19, 2010, 08:16:38 PM
The gist was "Woodrow Wilson helped cause post-WWI instability by taking a hardline stance at Versailles".  Practically verbatim.


ah, thank you!  Yes, I remember that one now.  That was definitely a head-spinning one.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2010, 11:45:58 PM
Amazing

Quote
Republicans Mitt Romney and Michael Steele headlined a Republican National Committee fundraiser six days ago at the home of the hedge fund titan at the center of the Security and Exchange Committee's fraud charges against Goldman Sachs.

A spokesman for the RNC confirmed the Tuesday evening event at the Manhattan home of John Paulson, who made a fortune betting against the housing market, and whom Goldman is accused of working to structure products sold to unwitting investors.

Paulson appears not to be facing charges. The RNC spokesman declined to comment on the gathering and a Romney spokesman didn't respond to an email on the topic.

Republicans have by and large fought regulations on derivative trading that would dramatically impact the businesses of hedge fund managers like Paulson.

The Goldman charges have sprayed a toxic political cloud out from one of Wall Street's wealthiest corners, raising questions for politicians of both parties, like New York's Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Chuck Schumer, who raised heavily from Goldman Sachs, and for the recipients  of contributions from the politically-active Paulson.

Though many hedge fund managers lean Democratic, Paulson has split his giving, offering maximum six-figure contributions both the the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and to the Republican National Committee. Paulson, ranked 45 on Forbes' list of America's richest individuals, made maximum contributions to the presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Rudy Giuliani in 2008, but has also given to key Democratic senators for the finance industry, including Chris Dodd and Max Baucus.

Paulson hasn't given directly to Schumer, though he maxed out to Schumer's committee. But he did host a fundraiser for the senior New York senator earlier this month, describing him in the invitation as "one of the few members of Congress that has consistently supported the hedge fund industry."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Goldman_figure_Paulson_hosted_Romney_Steele_last_week.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Goldman_figure_Paulson_hosted_Romney_Steele_last_week.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2010, 12:37:25 AM
These fucking guys!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2010, 02:15:16 AM
Quote
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Gov. Charlie Crist said Monday he may quit his GOP primary race and run for the Senate as an independent, his once-promising career threatened by fast-rising conservative opposition.

After weeks of insisting he would stay in the Aug. 24 primary, Crist told The Associated Press in a phone interview he intends to be "very, very thoughtful and deliberate" as he makes up his mind. The governor trails conservative rival Marco Rubio by double-digit margins in public polls after holding a huge lead at the outset.

The race is being closely watched nationally as a test of the strength of the tea party movement vs. more moderate Republicans. Rubio rose from obscurity to a favorite among conservatives with strong support from tea party activists. Crist, a moderate leader in one of the nation's largest states, had been considered a potential GOP presidential or vice presidential nominee.

Crist said he intends to listen to Florida residents as he decides his political future. He must make up his mind by the April 30 deadline to get on the ballot, and he cannot run as an independent if he gambles on the primary and loses.

Rep. Kendrick Meek is the likely Democratic nominee.

Just two years ago, Crist was riding high within the Republican Party, a popular governor on the short list for vice president on the GOP ticket. When Republican Sen. Mel Martinez announced his retirement, Crist was seen as a shoo-in for the job, a possible stepping stone to a presidential run.

But Crist's fortunes were upended by his embrace – literally and figuratively – of President Barack Obama and his $787 billion stimulus package along with the state's economic woes and the strong challenge from the right.

Now top Republicans are pressuring him to quit rather than run as an independent.

"If Governor Crist believes he cannot win a primary then the proper course of action is he drop out of the race and wait for another day," Rob Jesmer of the National Republican Senatorial Committee wrote in an e-mail to consultants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/19/crist-independent-run_n_543818.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2010, 12:20:37 PM
It's his only choice. Polling shows him slightly above Rubio in a 3 way race, 20-30% behind in the GOP primary.

Who would he caucus with though? It is conceivable that who controls the senate will come down to who Lieberman and a potential independent Florida Sen. Crist would decide to caucus with in the next congress.

If I was in Florida and it looked very close with Crist and Rubio with Meek in the back I would  probably hold my nose and vote Crist just to stop the super right-wing Rubio and I bet a lot of Democrats will do that in that state assuming that is how it plays out like current 3 way polling suggests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 20, 2010, 12:58:39 PM
I hope this keeps happening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 20, 2010, 01:08:24 PM
If the tea party didn't mess with this then none of this would have happened. And now we have Crist acting less Republican like vetoing the Republican education bill to show how independent he is of the GOP.

Now the RNC is going to have to waste tons of resources on this race that could have gone elsewhere since it will be competitive assuming Crist does leave the party when before it never would have been. Thank you tea party :smug.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 20, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
VOTE FOR THIS DUDE, IDAHOBORE: http://www.harleydbrownforcongress.org/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG78fpj0P4M[/youtube]

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2010, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on April 20, 2010, 06:00:05 PM
VOTE FOR THIS DUDE, IDAHOBORE: http://www.harleydbrownforcongress.org/index.html

(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2010/04/harley_brown-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 20, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
:american

Speak English. Speak American! Speak American!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2010, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on April 20, 2010, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 20, 2010, 06:22:13 PM
:american

Speak English. Speak American! Speak American!

 :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
she's not backing down
[youtube=560,345]a9o8lVWWDac[/youtube]

This person is going to become a United States senator in January.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2010, 02:10:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
she's not backing down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9o8lVWWDac

This person is going to become a United States senator in January.

as;dfglihsgdahkl;

I give up.  She's leaving me no room for satire (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1098053#msg1098053).


Green Shinobi:  I don't think either of those things are necessarily true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2010, 04:00:35 AM
It could happen in January when the senate rules are set up, assuming democrats still have control of the senate (they should). It'll only take 51 votes to make changes at that time. There would be an incentive since the next election would be a presidential one, and if the WH is left with say 52 senators they might want to do something about it.

I don't see it happening though. If dems get beat down in November, or if it's perceived they do, it would be rather ballsy bust up the filibuster in response. I'd love to see something done though, like Harkin's idea

Quote
Harkin appeared with Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) to introduce a resolution that would set shrinking vote benchmarks to end filibusters: the first vote on a cloture motion — which ends a filibuster — would require 60 votes to proceed, the next would be two days later and require 57. This process would repeat itself until the number fell to 51, or a simple majority.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32853.html#ixzz0liQWj8Sf

but I doubt it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 21, 2010, 09:27:19 AM
sweet baby jesus

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-20-2010/bernie-goldberg-fires-back
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 21, 2010, 09:52:57 AM
Fantastic. Can't wait for the rebuttal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 21, 2010, 10:09:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
she's not backing down
[youtube=560,345]a9o8lVWWDac[/youtube]

This person is going to become a United States senator in January.
I can't imagine Harry Reid smacking her down in a debate either. He is just too meekish in his character.  :-\

I knew Harry Reid would lose when I saw a clip of his "big" bus tour of his state from a few weeks ago and one of his big stops had 2 old ladies with signs there clapping for him. Two. And when he got off and started speaking to them with a mic I could barely here him because he was mumbling like a whispery voice. Ugh.


Also Obama is going to push forward with immigration reform despite it being an election year it seems like:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/04/21/democrats_go_big.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 21, 2010, 07:17:47 PM
Doctors are caring people :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 21, 2010, 07:32:53 PM
sucks to be you guys. my doctor will trade a year's worth of blowjobs in return for regular bloodwork. however, he's said that if i want my CKD looked at, i'm gonna need to reconsider my stance on anal sex :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2010, 08:42:39 PM
With enough nitrous oxide it'll feel like a Christian side hug, no worries
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 22, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]c_8VQVhRmAc[/youtube]

Imagine if Anderson Cooper wasn't such a pussy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2010, 05:00:54 PM
 :teehee

Quote
Earlier this week, RNC Chairman Michael Steele told a group of 200 students at DePaul University that African-Americans "don't have a reason" to vote for Republican candidates.

During his remarks he also acknowledged that for decades the GOP pursued "'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South."

Steele was asked to explain why an African-American should vote Republican at a university-sponsored discussion on the conservative movement. The RNC chairman's response: "You really don't have a reason to, to be honest -- we haven't done a very good job of really giving you one. True? True."

Steele also discussed with students his own experience being the victim of racial discrimination -- a subject that the he has openly addressed in the past. Steele told TV One's Roland Martin in November that even some of his fellow Republicans are "scared" of him because of his race.

Steele acknowledged his party's failure to reach out and connect with African-Americans and other marginalized communities. "We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans," he explained.

Steele went on to make a candid statement about how the disconnect between Republicans and minorities is not new and has been a part of the party's strategy for years. The Chicago-Sun Times reports on what the RNC Chairman had to say:

For the last 40-plus years we had a 'Southern Strategy' that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, 'Bubba' went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/michael-steele-for-decade_n_547702.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2010, 05:40:38 PM
southern strategy? what southern strategy!?

Steele don fucked up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 22, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
Did Steele just admit the GOP caters to the southern white racists to win votes?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2010, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 22, 2010, 06:01:28 PM
Did Steele just admit the GOP caters to the southern white racists to win votes?  :lol

No. He just admitted they "use" to. Which is always the joke.

When exactly did they stop?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2010, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 22, 2010, 06:24:59 PM
"Seriously though, most of the dedicated racists in the GOP left for the tea party, and the people that are left merely think you're criminals, they don't want to lynch you or anything.  I don't think so, at least.  Vote republican 2012."

Michael Steele, 2010
         /
 :himu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2010, 08:04:03 PM
If Republicans are racist, then why did they pick Michael Steele to be the chairman of the RNC? :smug

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 22, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]c_8VQVhRmAc[/youtube]

Imagine if Anderson Cooper wasn't such a pussy?

Hey let's be fair, he did a pretty good job this time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 22, 2010, 11:45:04 PM
Quote from: Green Shinobi on April 22, 2010, 09:04:15 PM
Michael Steele is a poor man's Michael Scott.
I think Jon Stewart is dead on, he is a poor mans Mr. Johnson

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090521182032/muppet/images/7/76/MrJohnson.jpg)
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Johnson
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 23, 2010, 01:57:44 AM
Old news!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

Quote from: RNC Chief to Say It Was 'Wrong' to Exploit Racial Conflict for Votes
By Mike Allen
Thursday, July 14, 2005

It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

Mehlman, a Baltimore native who managed President Bush's reelection campaign, goes on to discuss current overtures to minorities, calling it "not healthy for the country for our political parties to be so racially polarized." The party lists century-old outreach efforts in a new feature on its Web site, GOP.com, which was relaunched yesterday with new interactive features and a history section called "Lincoln's Legacy."

I look forward to 25 years from now, when RNC chair Jenna Bush says the party used to maybe exploit homophobia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2010, 02:36:32 AM
Or 35 years from now, when RNC chair Trig Palin says the party used to maybe exploit special needs people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 23, 2010, 12:36:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2010, 02:36:32 AM
Or 35 years from now, when RNC chair Trig Palin says the parhy oosed to mambe espooid pessal nees peeble

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 23, 2010, 03:56:52 PM
http://lowdenplan.com/

Convert your medical procedures to chickens!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 23, 2010, 03:58:26 PM
 :lol

Where did you find that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 23, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Can't remember, but given my surfing habits probably a blog.

You know, I remember when right-wingers wanted to end fiat money.  Now they want to do away with currency altogether.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 23, 2010, 04:19:11 PM
 :lol

Quote
The Florida Republican Party on Thursday invoked a "Party Loyalty Oath" forbidding its members from supporting Gov. Charlie Crist should he decide to run as an independent in the state's Senate race.

In a memo obtained by the Palm Beach Post, GOP General Counsel Jason Gonzalez, who used to be a top lawyer in Crist’s office, informed state party members that there would be severe consequences if they did not rescind all support from the Florida governor:
The Republican Party of Florida requires members of all political party committees organized under the RPOF to abide by a Party Loyalty Oath.
...
Any member who fails to formally revoke his or her public support and request the return of any contributions made to a candidate running against the candidate of the Republican Party would be in violation of the RPOF Rules and would be subject to removal from party office and membership on Republican executive committees.


Gonzalez explained that the oath strictly prohibited any "Republican Executive Committee members from supporting any candidate other than the candidate nominated by the voters of the Republican Party through its primary election."

The memo surfaces as time ticks down until the deadline for Crist to decide whether he will make an independent run for Senate -- April 30.

Via the Palm Beach Post, here's General Counsel Jason Gonzalez's memo in full:
MEMORANDUM TO: Ronnie Whitaker Executive Director, Republican Party of Florida FROM: Jason Gonzalez General Counsel, Republican Party of Florida DATE: April 19, 2010
RE: Party Loyalty Oath - Candidates Running with No Party Affiliation

At your request, I have prepared the following memorandum involving the interpretation of Republican Party of Florida Rule 9 (Party Loyalty Oath). You specifically asked me to determine whether the Party Loyalty Oath would allow state and county executive committee members to support a registered Republican running with no party affiliation in a general election over the candidate nominated in the Republican primary election. As described below, my conclusion is that the Party Loyalty Oath forbids Republican Executive Committee members from supporting any candidate other than the candidate nominated by the voters of the Republican Party through its primary election.

The Republican Party of Florida requires members of all political party committees organized under the RPOF to abide by a Party Loyalty Oath. The loyalty oath is contained in Rule 9 of the RPOF Rules of Procedure. The Rule provides, in relevant part, that Members of all political party committees, and the National Committeeman and Committeewoman, shall before taking office, establish by written oath or affirmation that during their term of office they will not actively, publicly, or financially support the election of any candidate other than the Republican candidate in a partisan unitary, general or special election, or a Registered Republican in non-partisan elections, other than Judicial races governed under Florida Statute 105, if there is a registered Republican running for the same office, unless the county executive committee has taken an affirmative vote to endorse one Republican over another per Rule 8(B). The written oath or affirmation will also state that they will not engage in activities or conduct deemed by the Grievance Committee and affirmed by the RPOF Chairman as likely to injure the name of the Republican Party or interfere with the activities of the Republican Party.

At the heart of the Party Loyalty Oath is the requirement that members of the Republican Party of Florida's Executive Committees - from precinct committeemen and committeewomen in each county all the way up to the national committeeman and committeewoman - cannot provide their active, public, or financial support to any candidate other than "the Republican candidate" in a general election. The requirement of party loyalty is appropriate given the leadership roles within the party performed by executive committee members.

RPOF Rule 9 contains a few limited exceptions to its general requirement that members support "the Republican candidate." For "non-partisan" races, in which no partisan primary is held and in which the party affiliation of the candidates does not appear on the ballot, the loyalty oath requires executive committee members to refrain from supporting any candidate other than a registered Republican (if there is a registered Republican running for the office). Because judicial races are specifically exempted from the loyalty oath, executive committee members may support judicial candidates of their choosing without regard to political party affiliation.

The final requirement of Rule 9 relates to Republican primary elections. In a contested primary, Rule 9 prohibits executive committee members (in their official capacities) from supporting one Republican candidate over another unless the county executive committee has formally voted to endorse that candidate under RPOF Rule 8(B).

In sum, Republican Party of Florida Rule 9 prohibits any member of the Republican State Executive Committee or of any County Executive Committee from "actively, publicly, or financially" supporting a candidate running with no party affiliation over "the Republican candidate" chosen in the primary election. Any member who fails to formally revoke his or her public support and request the return of any contributions made to a candidate running against the candidate of the Republican Party would be in violation of the RPOF Rules and would be subject to removal from party office and membership on Republican executive committees.

Please do not hesitate to call should you have any questions.


-- Elyse Siegel
4/23/2010

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/28/florida-senate-2010-elect_n_516222.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 23, 2010, 05:49:56 PM
RUN, CHARLIE, RUN!

Spectacle would be awesome, and Meek would make a better Senator than either Rubio or Crist.  Actually, dealing with Rubio would probably be easier than dealing with Crist- you could just assume that Rubio would oppose everything and not worry about him.  Crist might try and cut deals and thus water down bills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 23, 2010, 07:14:33 PM
That AZ law is some bullshit and highlights the fact that republicans should not be elected into office. THEY are the ones that are taking away people's rights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 23, 2010, 07:51:42 PM
Republicans only take away rights from people who are not Americans, it's just the Democrats that want to take away Americans' rights!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 23, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
The post-Obama Republican revolution that started with 2009 governor wins seems to be really working out for the public:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/04/23/buyers_remorse_in_new_jersey.html

Nothing bad at all has happened in Virginia with the new Governor at least...oh wait.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 23, 2010, 11:43:02 PM
People are so fucking stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on April 23, 2010, 11:47:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 23, 2010, 11:43:02 PM
People are so fucking stupid.

See above post for a prime example.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 23, 2010, 11:59:41 PM
Why do you even post here? I've never seen anyone so starved for attention at all times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2010, 12:10:49 AM
Reading up on the AZ immigration bill.  Yech.

Telling police to make on-the-spot determinations of people's residency status is an open invitation for racism.  Any policy that will lead to the phrase "let me see your papers" being asked of people in public places skeeves me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Green Shinobi on April 24, 2010, 12:12:52 AM
Profiling in general is pretty fucking indefensible IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 24, 2010, 12:12:59 AM
Good upstanding Americans have nothing to worry about!

Immigrants dress funny!!


:american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2010, 02:20:30 AM
I'm expecting massive tea party protests over the government infringing on American civil rights in this AZ profiling bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on April 24, 2010, 02:43:14 AM
I keep hearing how they can spot them based on their clothes by people defending the law. Which confuses me. Do they think all mexicans wear sombreros or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2010, 03:01:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2010, 02:20:30 AM
I'm expecting massive tea party protests over the government infringing on American civil rights in this AZ profiling bill.

That won't be right away.

First, they're going to protest the Hutaree militia members being given civilian trials rather than being sent to Guantanamo Bay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 24, 2010, 08:32:40 AM
Quote
Fellow Republican state Sen. Frank Antenori said the biggest reason he supported the bill was because a rancher in one of the counties he represents was murdered by someone who crossed the U.S. border with Mexico illegally. He said the person of interest in the killing had crossed the border numerous times and cited other similar violent crimes.

...

Quote
"When you institutionalize a law like this one, you are targeting and discriminating at a wholesale level against a group of people," Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, said Tuesday.

Grijalva closed his two district offices Friday when an unidentified caller threatened to blow up his Tucson office and kill his staff members. The caller also said he was going to be "exercising my civil liberties, and I'm shooting Mexicans at the border," according to Grijalva's district director, Ruben Reyes, who fielded one of the calls.

I guess we need a second law to impound white people who might be radical gun owners.

I didn't know that "civil liberties" included suing police for not harassing/jailing/shooting your legal hispanic neighbor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 24, 2010, 12:12:53 PM
John McCain will save the day! :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 24, 2010, 12:37:44 PM
My mom lives in Phoenix. Good thing she's white.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2010, 02:08:36 PM
This law is going to spawn some interesting lawsuits. If only we had tort reform  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 24, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
 :cancry  http://www.canadafreepress.com/ :cancry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 24, 2010, 09:45:06 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 24, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
:cancry  http://www.canadafreepress.com/ :cancry

Never heard of it.  It's not even a newspaper. 

Just a crazy right-wing website.  And yes, we have those in Canada.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 24, 2010, 10:37:51 PM
Also:  My perspective as a police officer on this Arizona law.

I don't want to come down *too* hard on the law simply based upon the fact that I'm a police officer in Canada, and I don't know the environment of policing in southern states with a high hispanic population.  I don't know the community, I don't know the dynamics.

But my instinct is simply that I don't see what "reasonable" suspicion might entail to lead an officer to think that someone is an illegal OTHER than that which leads to unacceptable racial profiling.

MAYBE situations through talking with witnesses where they can provide evidence that someone is an illegal, or through talking with an individual in the course of regular duties where they make statements that provide the officer with "reasonable suspicion" but other than that....

It's not even like, for example, a drug investigation, where you can profile someone based upon their actions, gestures, clothing, smell, or behaviour to articulate a reasonable suspicion or belief of criminal activity.  As someone who supports and defends the law enforcement community generally, this is a bad law that will almost certainly lead to the potential for unacceptable racial profiling, even by good officers.

edit:  and to drunkenly paraphrase someone else I read on this subject in the past couple days:  Any law that might result in the regular demand by law enforcement in the United States of America of "papers, please" is an awful, horrible law.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 24, 2010, 11:10:35 PM
Sounds like Boogie is just jealous that he won't be able to partake in any awesome racial profiling and deportation of dirty illegal immigrants trying to take all our free government money and middle class jobs!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 24, 2010, 11:58:14 PM
Yes cleaning toilets and shit is a middle class jerb :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:04:55 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 24, 2010, 11:58:14 PM
Yes cleaning toilets and shit is a middle class jerb :bow

You know, when another poster makes an obviously satirical post, you obliviously pointing out the absurdity of that intentional satire is kinda sad.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:05:38 AM
So is being a cop in Arizona, apparently. ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
What the fuck?
Quote
Climate Bill Derailed: Graham Accuses Dems Of Playing Immigration Politics

A bipartisan deal on climate change legislation suffered a major setback today as a key author of the measure accused Senate Democrats and President Obama of abandoning the issue to instead focus on an election-year immigration bill.

Sen. Lindsey Graham was set to release a climate change plan Monday with Sens. John Kerry and Joe Lieberman, but today Graham wrote a letter to "leaders in the energy independence effort" saying it was obvious the energy bill would have "no chance of success." He said politics will "impede, if not derail" the Kerry-Lieberman-Graham efforts that have been in the works for months.

Graham (R-SC) charged that Obama and Senate leaders have signaled immigration is their priority. Graham said that "has destroyed my confidence that there will be a serious commitment and focus to move energy legislation this year."

"All of the key players, particularly the Senate leadership, have to want this debate as much as we do. This is clearly not the case," Graham wrote in in the letter, obtained by TPMDC and included below.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) swiftly responded in a statement pledging that both immigration and climate change are top priorities. He said while he appreciates Graham's work on both issues, "I will not allow him to play one issue off of another."

Reid said energy "could be next" if the measure is ready, and said immigration would require "significant committee work that has not yet begun." The majority leader said the American people "expect us to do both, and they will not accept the notion that trying to act on one is an excuse for not acting on the other."

I'm told a Lieberman statement will be out this evening. The White House released a statement urging Graham to keep working, saying climate legislation can pass "this year" and saying both issues need bipartisan support. (Update: Kerry (D-MA) said in a statement that he and Lieberman are "pressing forward" with or without Graham.)

Graham said the hasty immigration push (following Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signing a controversial bill Friday) is a "cynical political ploy" and cited the 2007 effort that fell apart under President George W. Bush despite months of negotiation. Earlier this spring, Graham told TPMDC that the process of passing health care was a bad sign for both immigration and climate change.

Here is Graham's letter, dated today:
(letter at link)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/climate-bill-derailed-graham-accuses-dems-of-playing-immigration-politics.php?ref=fpa (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/climate-bill-derailed-graham-accuses-dems-of-playing-immigration-politics.php?ref=fpa)

Seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 25, 2010, 12:15:46 AM
Wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:16:53 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:05:38 AM
So is being a cop in Arizona, apparently. ::)

what the fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:17:31 AM
:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:22:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
What the fuck?
Quote
Climate Bill Derailed: Graham Accuses Dems Of Playing Immigration Politics

A bipartisan deal on climate change legislation suffered a major setback today as a key author of the measure accused Senate Democrats and President Obama of abandoning the issue to instead focus on an election-year immigration bill.

Sen. Lindsey Graham was set to release a climate change plan Monday with Sens. John Kerry and Joe Lieberman, but today Graham wrote a letter to "leaders in the energy independence effort" saying it was obvious the energy bill would have "no chance of success." He said politics will "impede, if not derail" the Kerry-Lieberman-Graham efforts that have been in the works for months.

Graham (R-SC) charged that Obama and Senate leaders have signaled immigration is their priority. Graham said that "has destroyed my confidence that there will be a serious commitment and focus to move energy legislation this year."

"All of the key players, particularly the Senate leadership, have to want this debate as much as we do. This is clearly not the case," Graham wrote in in the letter, obtained by TPMDC and included below.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) swiftly responded in a statement pledging that both immigration and climate change are top priorities. He said while he appreciates Graham's work on both issues, "I will not allow him to play one issue off of another."

Reid said energy "could be next" if the measure is ready, and said immigration would require "significant committee work that has not yet begun." The majority leader said the American people "expect us to do both, and they will not accept the notion that trying to act on one is an excuse for not acting on the other."

I'm told a Lieberman statement will be out this evening. The White House released a statement urging Graham to keep working, saying climate legislation can pass "this year" and saying both issues need bipartisan support. (Update: Kerry (D-MA) said in a statement that he and Lieberman are "pressing forward" with or without Graham.)

Graham said the hasty immigration push (following Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signing a controversial bill Friday) is a "cynical political ploy" and cited the 2007 effort that fell apart under President George W. Bush despite months of negotiation. Earlier this spring, Graham told TPMDC that the process of passing health care was a bad sign for both immigration and climate change.

Here is Graham's letter, dated today:
(letter at link)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/climate-bill-derailed-graham-accuses-dems-of-playing-immigration-politics.php?ref=fpa (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/climate-bill-derailed-graham-accuses-dems-of-playing-immigration-politics.php?ref=fpa)

Seriously?

ie.

How dare you decide to tackle an issue completely unrelated to climate change, in favour of immigration rights.

Nevermind the fact that we never would have cooperated with you on energy and climate change.

Instead, allow us to cloud all current issues by our strategy to FUCK the idea of pursuing any progressive policy.

My fervent wish is that the Repulican party gets ass-raped by the demographics of opposing the hispanic demographic.  Fuck 'em.

edit:  sorry, that not really intended to be directed toward you, PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:25:58 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:17:31 AM
:teehee

No, really.

Please tell me, what the FUCK your point was, in saying "So is being a cop in Arizona, apparently."  By all means, tell me how you can intelligently comment on an issue unrelated to film, you vacuous fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:26:44 AM
I love getting under your skin :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:28:50 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:26:44 AM
I love being a total fucking moron douchebag, who contributes nothing to the forum other than film talk, and whose timer on being banned from the forum is quickly approaching zero....

Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
So hostile :lol

Is this because I said you probably live a sad life? Pardon me if I was wrong, but that's what I gather from the majority of your posts on this site. You seem to love trying to be a condescending dick every time I post in a thread that isn't movie related and calling me out on random shit. Yes, I know Willco was making a joke -- am I not allowed to make one too? Was my reply some impassioned rant about the nobility of immigrants?

Please, calm the fuck down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:51:44 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
So hostile :lol


*shrug*

Quote
Is this because I said you probably live a sad life?

huh?  When was this?  If you knew the first thing about my life, the very idea would send everyone else laughing to the point where they would need oxygen to keep alive.

Quote
Pardon me if I was wrong, but that's what I gather from the majority of your posts on this site. You seem to love trying to be a condescending dick every time I post in a thread that isn't movie related and calling me out on random shit. Yes, I know Willco was making a joke -- am I not allowed to make one too? Was my reply some impassioned rant about the nobility of immigrants?

Please, calm the fuck down.

No, by all means, let's make a direct comparison about our lives.  Where you are a fucking joke on here who knows quite a bit about film but whom no one particularly likes, whereas I am someone who has fundamentally contributed to the security of the 2010 Olympics, the security of other world leaders visiting Canada in the past 2 years, and countless other  incidents that I'm not about to disclose to your pathetic film-schooled ass.  If you expect a federal agent with a Top Secret security clearance to disclose the full extent of his activities just to score some points on the internet against some fucking slack-jacked film student, you have about 539024 things to learn about life.

You're the one who seems to be interested in direct comparisons of our lives.  I guess you feel safe in doing so since I'll never be able to disclose exactly what I do. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 12:53:46 AM
And yet, you can't get laid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:55:48 AM
No one likes? What, you and a handful of other trolls? That last Shake thread was full of people saying they like having me around, so I don't give a fuck whether you and the Shat Pack/Nihilist Mafia do or not. The fact that my mere presence on EB is enough to ruffle your feathers is pretty amusing, though. Yet again you try to be a dick and point out some flaw in my logic then get upset when I brush it off. :spin

Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 12:53:46 AM
And yet, you can't get laid.

Pretty much my point. All I ever see if this dude bitching about how pathetic his love life was, so I figured he was just another internet tough guy who acts like a dick to make up for the pathetic void he is in the physical world. I didn't know I was, in fact, dealing with James fucking Bond. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 12:56:02 AM
Chill dudes, come on  :-\

It's amazing how the GOP has seemingly successfully turned this Goldman Sachs controversy into an indictment on the White House, without the media calling them out. Steele and Romney held a fundraiser at Paulson's house - the dude at the center of the entire thing. Yet instead we're hearing about the "curious timing" of the SEC's charges. smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 12:58:19 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 12:53:46 AM
And yet, you can't get laid.

A) That is not true.

B)  You are a key contributor in shitting up this forum via jacking off Shake due to, presumably, his film knowledge, to the exclusion of his other douche qualities.  Like Shake, you know a fuck lot about film, but are otherwise a slack-jawed moron capable of nothing more than distracting Green Shinobi in his psychosis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2010, 12:59:37 AM
Oh wow, isn't that cute.  Shake's boyfriend is here to defend him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:59:48 AM
If me and Ichi both left this place would be pretty boring. Cheebs would probably leave too, then this place would go back to being practically dead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:00:17 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:55:48 AM
No one likes? What, you and a handful of other trolls?

You're right.  It's not like I have access to the Icon forum where all the other grownups have concluded that you are a plague upon this place, and the only solution is to give you enough rope to hang yourself.....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2010, 01:00:35 AM
I think I speak for the majority when I say that we can only hope that boringness comes sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:01:15 AM
The Icons make up a small percentage of this forum, and hardly ever post. And most of them have had issues with me for four fucking years. Nice try, though. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
wrong, boogie: ichi, like shake, is a dude with too much time on his hands who can't let any perceived internet transgression slide. one diss in a thread, and out comes their paper bags and chattering fingers; the only difference is the type of response, with ichi pulling the mother-in-law card and going personal and dredging up unrelated slights from years previous, and shake nervously waggling his chubby index finger and wheezing "nuh-uh, YOU started it" in what he hopes is an appropriately disaffected tone

i was fine with their return, but they're both back to their tired shenanigans. some personalities simply CAN get overexposed to quickly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:03:32 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:55:48 AM


Pretty much my point. All I ever see if this dude bitching about how pathetic his love life was, so I figured he was just another internet tough guy who acts like a dick to make up for the pathetic void he is in the physical world. I didn't know I was, in fact, dealing with James fucking Bond. :lol

Internet tough guy. :lol  Name, concretely, some way that you have contributed to society, if you mock my life so.  Cause all I see is you ignoring what i actually post in favour of mocking me as "James fucking Bond".   Which is not an altogether inaccurate description... :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:05:01 AM
Prole, Shake made a fairly weak post, Boogie lectured him for it, and when Shake snapped back (not entirely inappropriately), Boogie wrote an entire paragraph explaining how he his a fucking HERO and Shake is gutter trash.

Then I wrote a one-liner which Boogie could have effectively dismissed with a "Neither can you."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
My fingers ain't so chubby now, Prole. See what I mean about people still using shit from four years ago?

You telling me the Icons don't like me is like telling me the sky is blue. I can't think of anything less shocking. And I'm not posting here for their amusement; I'm posting because people have asked me to come back for years, and because a number of dudes (like Ichi, PD, etc.) here I'm cool with and like to keep contact with on my off-hours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:05:20 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 12:59:48 AM
If me and Ichi both left this place would be pretty boring. Cheebs would probably leave too, then this place would go back to being practically dead.

Quantity != quality.

:lol at this place being worse off if Cheebs left.

Quote from: Professor Prole on April 25, 2010, 01:02:51 AM
wrong, boogie: ichi, like shake, is a dude with too much time on his hands who can't let any perceived internet transgression slide. one diss in a thread, and out comes their paper bags and chattering fingers; the only difference is the type of response, with ichi pulling the mother-in-law card and going personal and dredging up unrelated slights from years previous, and shake nervously waggling his chubby index finger and wheezing "nuh-uh, YOU started it" in what he hopes is an appropriately disaffected tone

i was fine with their return, but they're both back to their tired shenanigans. some personalities simply CAN get overexposed to quickly.

 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2010, 01:05:51 AM
Let's be fair Boogie, James Bond would never eat fucking poutine.  Just saying!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:06:12 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:05:01 AM
Prole, Shake made a fairly weak post, Boogie lectured him for it, and when Shake snapped back (not entirely inappropriately), Boogie wrote an entire paragraph explaining how he his a fucking HERO and Shake is gutter trash.

Then I wrote a one-liner which Boogie could have effectively dismissed with a "Neither can you."

I made an offhand joke, Boogie tries to make a snarky comeback out of the blue calling me out on my lack of wit, then gets progressively more roided up and shouty the more I blow him off.

And I'm the one who's out of line? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2010, 01:07:12 AM
I wouldn't say you're out of line, just that you're fuck all obnoxious and for some reason Ichi feels the need to be your over protective boyfriend.  The whole thing is tiresome, honestly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:08:25 AM
You know, let me just quote the post that set Boogie off:

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 24, 2010, 11:58:14 PM
Yes cleaning toilets and shit is a middle class jerb :bow

This was a frickin' joke made in reply to a post of Willco's.  I really don't see why it garnered the reaction it did or why it's now turned into "Let's ban Ichi and Shake, getting tired of their childish shenanigans!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:08:34 AM
I hate to prove Prole right, but alas, I didn't start it. And this is hardly the first time Boogie has tried to call me out and be a dick to me out of the blue since my return.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:08:52 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:05:10 AM
My fingers ain't so chubby now, Prole. See what I mean about people still using shit from four years ago?

You telling me the Icons don't like me is like telling me the sky is blue. I can't think of anything less shocking. And I'm not posting here for their amusement; I'm posting because people have asked me to come back for years, and because a number of dudes (like Ichi, PD, etc.) here I'm cool with and like to keep contact with on my off-hours.

i didn't even know you were fat to begin with, and i don't care. i construct an image in my mind of every poster based off of their posting acumen, and to me, you're a pale asthmatic kid with an attention deficit disorder and the sort of nasally whine that attracts other flabby nerdthings and leaves the rest of us with residual tinnitis and an overwhelming desire to sink your head in a toilet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 25, 2010, 01:09:13 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on April 25, 2010, 01:00:35 AM
I think I speak for the majority when I say that we can only hope that boringness comes sooner rather than later.

Yea, all this battling is getting to be too much. Bring back duckman
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:09:35 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:08:25 AM
You know, let me just quote the post that set Boogie off:

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 24, 2010, 11:58:14 PM
Yes cleaning toilets and shit is a middle class jerb :bow

This was a frickin' joke made in reply to a post of Willco's.  I really don't see why it garnered the reaction it did or why it's now turned into "Let's ban Ichi and Shake, getting tired of their childish shenanigans!"

let's ban ichi and shake, getting tired of their childish shenanigans
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:09:44 AM
I'd be willing to accept an apology, Boogie :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:05:01 AM
Prole, Shake made a fairly weak post, Boogie lectured him for it, and when Shake snapped back (not entirely inappropriately), Boogie wrote an entire paragraph explaining how he his a fucking HERO and Shake is gutter trash.

Then I wrote a one-liner which Boogie could have effectively dismissed with a "Neither can you."

In other words, I made a post on the topic.  Shake replied with a post that didn't make any gawdamned sense.  I called him out on it.  Shake was unable to respond other than posting a cutesy smilie, then a one-liner when I didn't drop the issue.

THEN he starts some bullshit about me living a "sad life", as laughable as that is, and then you rush to his defense about me not being able to "get laid"

In other words, you, a 30-year old in Korea, are so beholden to your 19-year old film school butt-buddie in Michigan, that you are able to completely throw any logic or rationality to the wind.

If you and Shake really want an all-out, drag-em-out shitstorm, I'm all game.  Just keep in mind that in between forum taunts, I have actual shit to do so that you don't get all butthurt when I don't respond to you after 6 hours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:12:03 AM
ichi, you act as though the shake experience, as it were, is solely confined to this one thread

ah, if it only it were, if only

willco, if only
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:12:27 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:09:44 AM
I'd be willing to accept an apology, Boogie :-*

Better check the temperature in hell first, you infantile fuckstick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:12:43 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on April 25, 2010, 01:07:12 AM
I wouldn't say you're out of line, just that you're fuck all obnoxious and for some reason Ichi feels the need to be your over protective boyfriend.  The whole thing is tiresome, honestly.

I made an offhand one-liner about something Boogie has been extremely public about.  It's sort of like if someone made a joke about me getting ripped off by Mupepe...which everyone does all the time and which I take in good humor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:13:04 AM
Quote from: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:12:27 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:09:44 AM
I'd be willing to accept an apology, Boogie :-*

Better check the temperature in hell first, you infantile fuckstick.

See? More name-calling, and yet I'm the immature child?

Oh, you Icons and your silly mindfucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:14:00 AM
aaaaaamazing grace, how sweet it is
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:15:25 AM
Maybe it would be better if Boogie had me on ignore, or just stopped trying to earn cool points on the "grown up forum" by going after me randomly and with no provocation whatsoever time and time again. If that's the "Boogie Experience", then it certainly hasn't been confined to one thread either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:16:06 AM
it's a hard knock life, pugsley
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:16:39 AM
Quote from: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:11:44 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:05:01 AM
Prole, Shake made a fairly weak post, Boogie lectured him for it, and when Shake snapped back (not entirely inappropriately), Boogie wrote an entire paragraph explaining how he his a fucking HERO and Shake is gutter trash.

Then I wrote a one-liner which Boogie could have effectively dismissed with a "Neither can you."

In other words, I made a post on the topic.  Shake replied with a post that didn't make any gawdamned sense.  I called him out on it.  Shake was unable to respond other than posting a cutesy smilie, then a one-liner when I didn't drop the issue.

THEN he starts some bullshit about me living a "sad life", as laughable as that is, and then you rush to his defense about me not being able to "get laid"

In other words, you, a 30-year old in Korea, are so beholden to your 19-year old film school butt-buddie in Michigan, that you are able to completely throw any logic or rationality to the wind.

If you and Shake really want an all-out, drag-em-out shitstorm, I'm all game.  Just keep in mind that in between forum taunts, I have actual shit to do so that you don't get all butthurt when I don't respond to you after 6 hours.

Boogie, I actually like you and acknowledge you are far more intelligent than I.  I have absolutely zero desire to get owned and humiliated, which would be the result of any verbal battle we'd engage in.

My response wasn't so much a defense of shake as the fact that you're always complaining about how hard it is to date and here you are replying to shake talking about all the amazing stuff you've done (some of which, you imply, is so important you can't even talk about it), and I saw a chance for a snarky one-liner.  It wasn't meant as a personal jab and I'm sorry if that's how it came out as.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:17:33 AM
It is when you have a small militia still trying to start shit with you after four years of silence. :'(

I don't have a problem with any of you. I just find it odd that you guys still carry so much hate and disdain for posters who contribute more to "your" forum than you actually do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:19:05 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:15:25 AM
Maybe it would be better if Boogie had me on ignore,

What have I said?  Ignore list is fore pusssies.


 
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or just stopped trying to earn cool points on the "grown up forum" by going after me randomly

I don't need to earn "cool points".  I'm not "going after you" anymore than I was "going after" GS.  I see people posting stupid shit, and I say so.  The fact that you get all sensitive and call on your butt buddies afterwards is not my concern.


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and with no provocation whatsoever time and time again. If that's the "Boogie Experience", then it certainly hasn't been confined to one thread either.

what the fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:20:36 AM
Wait, this thread is for political talk. Maybe you guys would be better off making yet another thread asking for me to be banned and/or lepered? :spin

Because, by all means, please do the adult thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Christ, Shake, stop with the goading.  It takes two to tango and you're doing more than your fair share of dancing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:22:23 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:17:33 AM
It is when you have a small militia still trying to start shit with you after four years of silence. :'(

I don't have a problem with any of you. I just find it odd that you guys still carry so much hate and disdain for posters who contribute more to "your" forum than you actually do.

"contribute" <> "post count" since a point of clarity seems to be in order

i would rather have 100 posts a month from the likes of cohen/patel/cormac/boogie than 10000 from the michi-bore kindergarten krew

just sayin' is all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:23:08 AM
I'm still waiting for my apology. :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:23:18 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:16:39 AM

Boogie, I actually like you and acknowledge you are far more intelligent than I.  I have absolutely zero desire to get owned and humiliated, which would be the result of any verbal battle we'd engage in.

My response wasn't so much a defense of shake as the fact that you're always complaining about how hard it is to date and here you are replying to shake talking about all the amazing stuff you've done (some of which, you imply, is so important you can't even talk about it), and I saw a chance for a snarky one-liner.  It wasn't meant as a personal jab and I'm sorry if that's how it came out as.

Does that have anything to do with this thread?  No?  Then why are YOU bringing it up?  You want to make snarky one-liners about my bizarre dating life?  Feel free.  Just keep it in the thread.  If DS starts talking random stupid shit on an unrelated subject?  How 'bout you keep your mouth shut then?

You claim your posts aren't "so much a defense of shake", but nobody else is buying that shit. Fact is, ever since Shake and Cheebs have remerged here, you have decided to become DS's #1 cheerleader in ANY FUCKING THREAD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:24:30 AM
You want to shake hands, Boogie? You want to make up? Or you wanna continue this pointless bickering and shitting up the thread?

I'm waiting :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:20:36 AM
Wait, this thread is for political talk. Maybe you guys would be better off making yet another thread asking for me to be banned and/or lepered? :spin

Because, by all means, please do the adult thing.

Hey, if you want political talk, I look forward to the ass-raping.  Somebody pass DS the lube.  If you can't handle actual non-film-related discussion though, then shut the fuck up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:26:05 AM
Only if you apply it, baby :-*

(http://eagletreeherbs.com/store/images/lube.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:26:20 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:17:33 AM


I don't have a problem with any of you. I just find it odd that you guys still carry so much hate and disdain for posters who contribute more to "your" forum than you actually do.

What, am I repeating myself now?   Quantity != quality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:26:55 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:23:08 AM
I'm still waiting for my apology. :-*

and that sorta quality response is why none of the big kids like you. you respond because apparently you've never considered the alternative: not responding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:27:58 AM
I'm just trying to end this silly argument, Prole. Doing the adult thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:29:09 AM
you could end it by shutting up, and cutting your post count down to merely the essential responses that don't demonstrate some sort of pathological need to announce your presence
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:29:38 AM
 :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 01:29:49 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Christ, Shake, stop with the goading.  It takes two to tango and you're doing more than your fair share of dancing.

I see two people carrying on. I don't care who "started it," - I'm not a 10 year old. Chill the fuck out, seriously. Or take this convo into another thread, like the off topic/real talk one.

I stopped complaining about the icons the minute I realized I didn't give a shit what people on the internets think about me. You should do the same Shake/Ichi/GS/Boogie/etc. Shake you're a pretty smart dude, doing what you love: film. Boogie you have a damn good career, you're build like an MMA fighter and most people here think you're cool. So why the tension and need to get the final word? Online drama is best when it's everyone laughing at Green Shinobi. Lets keep it that way, ok ladies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:31:05 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 01:29:49 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:21:27 AM
Christ, Shake, stop with the goading.  It takes two to tango and you're doing more than your fair share of dancing.

I see two people carrying on. I don't care who "started it," - I'm not a 10 year old. Chill the fuck out, seriously. Or take this convo into another thread, like the off topic/real talk one.

I stopped complaining about the icons the minute I realized I didn't give a shit what people on the internets think about me. You should do the same Shake/Ichi/GS/Boogie/etc. Shake you're a pretty smart dude, doing what you love: film. Boogie you have a damn good career, you're build like an MMA fighter and most people here think you're cool. So why the tension and need to get the final word? Online drama is best when it's everyone laughing at Green Shinobi. Lets keep it that way, ok ladies?

When are you moving to NY?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:31:49 AM
Boogie, if you have a personal issue with me, I'd be more than happy to talk about it with you through PM.  And again, I really am sorry for the joke if you took it personally.  I thought you and I were on friendly terms so you'd take it as a well-meant jab, that's all.

I will say that if I've risen to Shake's defense, it's for the same reason Prole and Triumph have both risen to yours in this thread.  And FWIW, Shake should've stopped posting in this thread about a page ago because I'm agreeing with Prole at this point.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:32:37 AM
Christ, guys, shut the fuck up! I'm trying to get PD to move to NY here :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:36:04 AM
i haven't defended boogie. boogie is a big boy who issues terrifying no-knock warrants against innocent potheads and has no need for my defense, nor am i inclined to give it unless he threatens to kamehameha my house from across the border.

i'm here because i came to this thread to read and rant about POLITIX while watching the tube and instead i get shake posting for the sake of it and riling the natives, ruining this hallowed thread with his usual stream-of-consciousness wahjah. fuck that. that gets my ire, as it ALWAYS has when he does it. when i am done watching mst3k and have put away the macbook, i will have promptly forgotten about shake as i lovingly embrace my wife from the side as the good lord intended it and thus fall into a deep, anal sex-free slumber. fuck all y'all babyass niccas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2010, 01:36:23 AM
Nobody cares about this stupid bullshit although I will say The Dark Shake 3000 seems to fancy himself as a sort of "characer" and keeps bringing this stuff out in threads.

A lot.

None of you people are interesting enough to be a "character".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:36:57 AM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 01:32:37 AM
Christ, guys, shut the fuck up! I'm trying to get PD to move to NY here :'(

LEAVE THE FUCKING THREAD IF YOU ARE GOING TO DERAIL IT FURTHER, THANK YOU BYE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2010, 01:40:11 AM
I think there needs to be an OFFICIAL BUTTHURT THREAD: The Thread of Butthurt and have it stickied, but good Christ keep this shit outta here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 25, 2010, 01:42:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 01:29:49 AM
Boogie you have a damn good career, you're build like an MMA fighter and most people here think you're cool. So why the tension and need to get the final word?

My latest post in this thread was an attempt to offer my particular professional experience on to a topic of American politics.  I honestly thought it might prove a catalyst for an interesting discussion.  Instead, Shake decided to shit up the thread with his irreverence.

Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:31:49 AM
Boogie, if you have a personal issue with me, I'd be more than happy to talk about it with you through PM.

I don't have any "personal" issues online.  I'm more than willing to hash things out in public.  

 [QUOTE[And again, I really am sorry for the joke if you took it personally.  I thought you and I were on friendly terms so you'd take it as a well-meant jab, that's all.[/QUOTE]

It's not about taking jokes personally, imo.  It's about throwing jabs out in topics where it doesn't belong.  If you start throwing personal jabs on subjects where I'm just trying to comment professionally, than you shouldn't be surprised or offended when I start to sling some shit.

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I will say that if I've risen to Shake's defense, it's for the same reason Prole and Triumph have both risen to yours in this thread.  And FWIW, Shake should've stopped posting in this thread about a page ago because I'm agreeing with Prole at this point.  :-\

Like Prole says.  He doesn't "rise to my defense".  He calls shit like he sees it.  As often as not, I've been the target of Prole.  Funnily enough, when  the bottom-feeders start to take over the forum, we seem to align in opposition.  Maybe that should give you pause.


Quote from: Professor Prole on April 25, 2010, 01:36:04 AM
i haven't defended boogie. boogie is a big boy who issues terrifying no-knock warrants against innocent potheads and has no need for my defense, nor am i inclined to give it unless he threatens to kamehameha my house from across the border.

i'm here because i came to this thread to read and rant about POLITIX while watching the tube and instead i get shake posting for the sake of it and riling the natives, ruining this hallowed thread with his usual stream-of-consciousness wahjah. fuck that. that gets my ire, as it ALWAYS has when he does it. when i am done watching mst3k and have put away the macbook, i will have promptly forgotten about shake as i lovingly embrace my wife from the side as the good lord intended it and thus fall into a deep, anal sex-free slumber. fuck all y'all babyass niccas.

 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:47:14 AM
I'm not a bottom-feeder, man.  I've been contributing a lot in the movie threads and in the gaming forum.

I'll let this thread get back on-topic and stop posting here unless it's some politically-related link/story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2010, 01:50:47 AM
now that's what i like to hear

so howzabout that NOBAMA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 01:52:59 AM
This has happened a couple of times before, but it's the first time someone's getting court-martialed for it, apparently:

'Birther' Soldier Faces Charges

The Army filed formal changes against Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, a military physician who refused to deploy to Afghanistan because he believes President Barack Obama hasn't proven that he was born in the U.S.

The decision to initiate potential court-martial proceedings against Col. Lakin represents a line in the sand for the Army, which declined to discipline a pair of officers who raised similar questions last year about Mr. Obama's constitutional eligibility to serve as commander in chief.

Chuck Dasey, a spokesman for Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, said Col. Lakin was being charged with three counts of disobeying a lawful order and one count of dereliction of duty. If found guilty, Col. Lakin could be kicked out of the Army, forced to give up his retirement benefits and jailed for up to four years.

Col. Lakin and his attorney didn't respond to phone messages or emails seeking comment. In a statement released through the foundation raising money for his legal-defense fund, the officer said he was prepared to press his case in court.

"I invited my court martial, and today I stand ready to answer these charges," Col. Lakin said. "I was prepared to deploy if only the president would authorize the release of the proof of his eligibility. He refused, and now the court will determine the issue, and my fate."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704388304575202393506147452.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/birthers-latest-publicity-stunt-sold
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
Mixed feelings, free speech and alll that, but at the same time there's a clear chain of command and BO's top dog, like it or not. I think the issues separate from creating a cult of personality that those pushing the issue might be implying
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 02:02:47 AM
He was refusing deployment, dude.  That's a little farther than just saying stuff because of free speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2010, 02:05:36 AM
Honestly, I just read the headline. :teehee

But yeah he signed up for duty, tough beans if a muslin insurgent is in charge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 02:08:21 AM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2010, 02:11:52 AM
 ???

Unsure why you're syh, but in the interest of moving forward in a brand new day I'm not gonna raise the issue

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 02:13:13 AM
smh at you just reading the headline when the very first sentence of the story tells you why he's being court-martialed. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2010, 02:14:26 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 02:14:39 AM
Good on the army for reprimanding him, though. That's strikingly progressive for them. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2010, 02:33:58 AM
Eh, this shit happens whenever there's a Dem president- these people will use any sort of excuse... Clinton wasn't officially President cause he didn't win 50% of the vote, he can't be commander in chief because he was a draft dodger (didn't stop them from saluting Dubya and Cheney, interestingly enough) blah blah blah whatever.  Obama can't really be President cause he's a SEKRIT MUSLIN, born in Kenya, etc etc etc.  President Marco Rubio, however, will of course be a fine upstanding President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 25, 2010, 02:35:50 AM
Or rather Obama can't really be president because he's black :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 02:37:43 AM
Black/secret muslim/foreign-born...at the end of the day, what freaks out the Republican base so much is that he is in any way different from the old white men they've been used to for the past several hundred years and that takes them out of their comfort zone - never mind that he's been mostly governing from the center and has repeatedly tried reaching out to the Republicans in Washington only to get his hand slapped away each time.

I've noticed while traveling abroad that I've never met a conservative American...anyone who's open-minded enough to travel to different countries and experience different cultures always seem to be fairly liberal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 05:03:19 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 25, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
Mixed feelings, free speech and alll that, but at the same time there's a clear chain of command and BO's top dog, like it or not. I think the issues separate from creating a cult of personality that those pushing the issue might be implying

Free speech isn't the same for military personnel. Dude deserves to be shit-canned. Although I must admit, I kinda would like for his birther master plan to work, ie demanding Obama's "real" birth certificate be brought to court. The aftermath would be fun to watch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 08:05:48 AM
He's already provided his birth certificate (certificate of live birth) hasn't he?  What type of document do these folks want?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2010, 12:40:08 PM
Decent read on the relationship between Obama and Hillary.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236938?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+newsweek/TopNews+(UPDATED+-+Newsweek+Top+Stories) (http://www.newsweek.com/id/236938?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+newsweek/TopNews+(UPDATED+-+Newsweek+Top+Stories))
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 08:05:48 AM
He's already provided his birth certificate (certificate of live birth) hasn't he?  What type of document do these folks want?

They say he's shown a certificate of live birth, and needs to show an actual birth certificate from a hospital. It's in Hawaii right now; the state went electronic awhile ago so it's on file on a computer there or something. The hospital officials say they've seen it and that it shows he was born in the US.

I just want to see it revealed so we can finally put to rest the idea that this quest has nothing to do with Obama's race. The birthers will simply pivot to something else - maybe Obama spent millions forging a certificate, or the hospital has some "back room deal" with him, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2010, 01:33:06 PM
Yeah, Hawaii went completely electronic so it created this loophole for birthers to exploit. Even if Hawaii wasn't 100% electronic in its records I doubt Obama would stoop to their level and walk into the Arizona Sec of State to show off his birth certificate in person.

Speaking of which if this law isn't over-turned how does Obama get on the ballot in AZ? Isn't there no technical birth certificate paper anymore since its all electronic, only the live birth thing is on paper iirc? Would they actually bar him from being on the ballot due to Hawaii having all records being electronic?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 01:56:39 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/36765811#36765922 (fixed link)
David Brooks: yea the AZ bill is horrible, but dems playing politics on this is even worse!

This new "dems are starting the debate before any preparatory work was done" meme is so dumb I'm surprised no one is being called out for it. Shumer and Graham were working on a bill months ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 25, 2010, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 02:37:43 AM
Black/secret muslim/foreign-born...at the end of the day, what freaks out the Republican base so much is that he is in any way different from the old white men they've been used to for the past several hundred years and that takes them out of their comfort zone - never mind that he's been mostly governing from the center and has repeatedly tried reaching out to the Republicans in Washington only to get his hand slapped away each time.

I've noticed while traveling abroad that I've never met a conservative American...anyone who's open-minded enough to travel to different countries and experience different cultures always seem to be fairly liberal.

Look for tour groups. That's where you'll find them. They tend to not go off the beaten path and stick to only big touristy sites.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2010, 04:00:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2010, 01:56:39 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/36765811#36765922 (fixed link)
David Brooks: yea the AZ bill is horrible, but dems playing politics on this is even worse!

This new "dems are starting the debate before any preparatory work was done" meme is so dumb I'm surprised no one is being called out for it. Shumer and Graham were working on a bill months ago.
David Brooks likes to attack both sides on issues regardless if one is right or wrong just so he can feel above the fray and important.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
David Brooks is a conservative who is embarrassed to be a conservative with his fellow conservatives like Rush Limbaugh so he attacks both sides aggressively. He's a self hating conservative. There are a lot of those now in academia circles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on April 25, 2010, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on April 25, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
David Brooks is a conservative who is embarrassed to be a conservative with his fellow conservatives like Rush Limbaugh so he attacks both sides aggressively. He's a self hating conservative. There are a lot of those now in academia circles.
For some reason Obama took a liking to him though and often talks to him, well according to Brooks at least. Brooks has used Obama a unnamed source before in the past.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2010, 04:54:14 PM
THe birther "movement" can be summed up in this concise manner:

"Show us your birth certificate, boy."

"No"

Rageeeeeeeeeeeeee, how dare a black man tell his mastah no!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 25, 2010, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 25, 2010, 04:54:14 PM
THe birther "movement" can be summed up in this concise manner:

"Show us your birth certificate, boy."

"No"

Rageeeeeeeeeeeeee, how dare a black man tell his mastah no!

Nailed it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2010, 03:00:07 AM
David Brooks has been as execrable as the Onion's been funny the last few months.  I could rant about him for pages, but instead I'll link to his Dickipedia entry (http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=David_Brooks):

Quote from: Dickipedia
Brooks is very interested in anthropology, psychology and sociology, and likes to apply the language and tools of these fields to his analysis of politics and pop culture. He wishes to be taken very seriously by scholars in these fields, and would be, if only he hadn’t been born extremely lazy.

...

At an early age, he resolved that he would overcome his disability through a combination of dishonesty and smiling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on April 26, 2010, 03:10:01 AM
Whenever I saw him on Jim Lehrer he always seemed moderate and relatively intelligent ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on April 26, 2010, 10:56:45 AM
In the latest New Yorker, Jill Lepore details a history of tea party protests, beginning with the original and ending with the current incarnation. The highlights, of course, are quotes from members of the latter.

Quote from: lol
“All the government does is take my money and give it to other people,” Hess told me. Hess’s own salary is paid by the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security; he works for M.I.T.’s Lincoln Laboratory, studying chemical and biological warfare.

Quote from: lol
"A nurse from Worcester who grew up in the Midwest and is registered as an Independent explained what getting back to the country’s eighteenth-century roots means to her: “I don’t want the government giving money to people who don’t want to work. Government is for the post office, and to defend our country, and maybe for the roads. That’s all.”

Quote from: lol
“Can you imagine if the British said not only do you have to pay a tax on the tea but you have to buy the tea and you have to buy tea for your neighbor?” Hess said.

Quote from: lol
They’re mad about the bums—the bums on the streets, the bums in Washington. George said, “Every drug addict gets a check. We write those checks.” Joe said, “Stay out of our wallets. I don’t care: Democrat, Republican? I don’t care.”

It's like they're trying to outdo Prole's characterization of them: They'd be rich if it weren't for the GUBMENT giving their money to dirty poors to buy HD TEE VEES.

And here is where your face should ideally meet your palm:

Quote from: lol
Then George told me, “My little girl, when she was three, she got real sick. Had to be in intensive care for ten days. Had to have a tracheotomy. I had shit for insurance. The hospital sent me a bill. Ten thousand dollars. I got a second job; I sent the hospital one hundred bucks a week. That was the right thing to do. This is wrong. People want something, they have to work for it.”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/03/100503fa_fact_lepore?currentPage=1 (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/05/03/100503fa_fact_lepore?currentPage=1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 26, 2010, 12:54:31 PM
at this point, it's just a big culture war. there are no economic principles or coherent ideology driving these folks; there's just base rage over the dawning awareness that THEY are at the bottom of the social structure overall, and they actually don't have anyone to look down on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 26, 2010, 02:10:49 PM
It's the same base rage that has been fueling many Republicans since Reagan's welfare queen.

No matter how much you reform there will always be a large group of them stoked up on the idea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2010, 07:06:14 PM
Ben Nelson just voted against opening debate on financial regulation.

Ess em aych.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 26, 2010, 07:07:48 PM
I don't speak Yiddish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 26, 2010, 07:12:53 PM
:lol

fucking dems
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2010, 07:26:26 PM
Ah ha.  Warren Buffet was lobbying for an exemption in the bill, which has been tossed out (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703465204575208030785525128.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories).

Where's his company, Berkshire Hathaway, based?  I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2010, 08:00:57 PM
Sounds like McConnel got his caucus to agree to vote no on the first attempt, but all bets are off after that. We'll see.

If all the votes end like this, you gotta wonder what's the point in spending months working on something you're going to vote against for political reasons. Corker spent a lot of time working with Warner and Dodd on this. He may not agree with everything in the bill, but that's how legislation fucking works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 26, 2010, 09:12:50 PM
Looks like its gonna go to filibuster, and it looks like the Dems are just going to let it happen and which moderate Pubs break rank first.

good policy says I.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 26, 2010, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 26, 2010, 07:26:26 PM
Ah ha.  Warren Buffet was lobbying for an exemption in the bill, which has been tossed out (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703465204575208030785525128.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories).

Where's his company, Berkshire Hathaway, based?  I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

nebras- ooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 26, 2010, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 26, 2010, 07:26:26 PM
Ah ha.  Warren Buffet was lobbying for an exemption in the bill, which has been tossed out (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703465204575208030785525128.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories).

Where's his company, Berkshire Hathaway, based?  I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

Oh my. They are making these people put their money where their mouth is and am I supposed to feel bad about it? Wouldn't this provision,if passed, basically grandfather up to $600 TRILLION in derivatives? I'm glad it got voted out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2010, 12:45:03 AM
My new favorite word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology).

If the political climate stays anywhere near what it's been (and it will) I'm gonna run this baby into the ground.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2010, 12:53:03 AM
No worries, I'm sure the tea partiers who take over in November will promise term limit reform to ensure this insanity is short lived

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2010, 06:47:18 PM
I'm curious, is there any tangible difference between say, hiring a dirty messican for some factory work at $3/hr in California, compared to outsourcing the same job at the same rate to somewhere in China/Honduras/Bangladesh? I ask cause it seems that the same people (or at the very least, many I've spoken to) that complain that they hate illegals cause they "steal their jerbs!" seem to have little issue with the latter. I'm sure I might be missing something here, but I don't see it. Is it one of those "if I can't see it in front of me, it's not actually happening!" cases?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 27, 2010, 06:58:28 PM
As far as Joe Sixpack is concerned, there is a small tax of like 2.5% or something on imported goods that would benefit him/America in buying something made by foreign labor.  Of course, those goods are probably a little more expensive if they have to be shipped thousands of miles instead of made locally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2010, 10:33:08 PM
Another thing about illegals is even if they're getting paid under the table, they're still buying groceries, gas and whatever and contributing to the economy here in that way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2010, 10:38:53 PM
when they aren't intentionally driving their cars into grocery stores

:mccain :mccain :mccain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 27, 2010, 11:34:48 PM
(http://www.thestranger.com/images/blogimages/2010/04/27/1272413043-wapostobamawtf.jpg)

Oops.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 27, 2010, 11:38:42 PM
That's not Obama ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 27, 2010, 11:43:04 PM
[teabagger]Yeah it is![/teabagger]

I guess the guy who shot Malcom X was paroled today. That's where the picture was supposed to show up, but as you can see, that didn't happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2010, 12:20:20 AM
I believe that the WaPo's sheet is showing, if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2010, 12:28:13 AM
[youtube=560,345]Q5QD_6UtfFo[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2010, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: Boogie on April 24, 2010, 10:37:51 PM
Also:  My perspective as a police officer on this Arizona law.

I don't want to come down *too* hard on the law simply based upon the fact that I'm a police officer in Canada, and I don't know the environment of policing in southern states with a high hispanic population.  I don't know the community, I don't know the dynamics.

But my instinct is simply that I don't see what "reasonable" suspicion might entail to lead an officer to think that someone is an illegal OTHER than that which leads to unacceptable racial profiling.

MAYBE situations through talking with witnesses where they can provide evidence that someone is an illegal, or through talking with an individual in the course of regular duties where they make statements that provide the officer with "reasonable suspicion" but other than that....

It's not even like, for example, a drug investigation, where you can profile someone based upon their actions, gestures, clothing, smell, or behaviour to articulate a reasonable suspicion or belief of criminal activity.  As someone who supports and defends the law enforcement community generally, this is a bad law that will almost certainly lead to the potential for unacceptable racial profiling, even by good officers.

Generally, I'm really skeptical of any program that burdens law enforcement officers with making snap determinations of guilt and innocence, of whether someone is a criminal or just going about their daily business.  It's why I don't like the idea of the ASBO policy in the UK, and at the extreme end why I don't think COIN is all it's cracked up to be.

A case like this, where the bulk of the cops -- who have been given terribly vague guidelines of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" -- will be from a different ethnic community from the bulk of the offenders is only going to encourage harassment on a racial basis and exacerbate social division and mistrust.  Driving a community away from cooperation with the police (let alone other types of civic involvement) is a Very Bad Thing and should be treated like a serious concern.

On top of all this, racial profiling is always going to get fucked up, especially in countries with diverse populations.  When everyone was paranoid after the London bombings, it was a Brazilian who paid for it.  I have a half-Thai friend with a Hebrew name who's swarthy enough that when he was arrested for a public noise violation in New Mexico the local authorities figured him for an Arab and were ready to start deportation procedures, even though he's at least third-generation American.

Quote from: Boogie on April 24, 2010, 10:37:51 PM
edit:  and to drunkenly paraphrase someone else I read on this subject in the past couple days:  Any law that might result in the regular demand by law enforcement in the United States of America of "papers, please" is an awful, horrible law.

I wonder where (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1106496#msg1106496) you might have read that!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 28, 2010, 01:06:13 AM
Even worse is that if the cops want to exercise discretion in dealing with possible illegals, they are opening themselves up to lawsuits from people who don't know shit about shit. Who the hell came up with that provision?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2010, 01:19:19 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 28, 2010, 01:06:13 AM
Even worse is that if the cops want to exercise discretion in dealing with possible illegals, they are opening themselves up to lawsuits from people who don't know shit about shit. Who the hell came up with that provision?

Probably the same people who came up with the idea of plastering dumb people's youtube/twitter accounts on news channels in order to "connect" with the regular folk. Democracy is cool and everything, but I don't want to hear what Joe Six Pack has to say.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on April 28, 2010, 07:34:12 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 27, 2010, 06:47:18 PM
I'm curious, is there any tangible difference between say, hiring a dirty messican for some factory work at $3/hr in California, compared to outsourcing the same job at the same rate to somewhere in China/Honduras/Bangladesh? I ask cause it seems that the same people (or at the very least, many I've spoken to) that complain that they hate illegals cause they "steal their jerbs!" seem to have little issue with the latter. I'm sure I might be missing something here, but I don't see it. Is it one of those "if I can't see it in front of me, it's not actually happening!" cases?

Really? Companies who outsource much of their labor have been criticized for some time, whereas companies who don't (or claim they don't) are proud to point it out: Made in America, by Americans.

It was mumbling and grumbling rather than a furor but criticism nonetheless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2010, 01:14:51 PM
Quote
Fox News has learned that Charlie Crist has decided and plans to announce that he is running as an Independent for the U.S. Senate.

http://twitter.com/foxnewspolitics/status/13015315932
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
Yes!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 28, 2010, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 28, 2010, 01:33:29 PM
Yes!!

The Democrat still ain't going to win probably.

I'll also eat crow and admit I'm surprised that it actually came down to this. I under estimated Rubio and the appeal of this tea party brand of conservatism that is sweeping conservative circles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2010, 05:26:56 PM
Rubio is being investigated by the feds too. Crist could win, or spoil things enough for Meeks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 28, 2010, 05:35:02 PM
What's the legality of people being able to sue if cops don't enforce the Alabama law. I've never heard of anything like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2010, 09:30:32 PM
i thought obamacare was gonna fix that :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 28, 2010, 09:36:40 PM
well, we GOT romneycare

thanks, NOBAMA, your appeasement costs us all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2010, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on April 28, 2010, 08:49:10 PM
The premiums for my wife's work health insurance went up 24% today.  The system works!

:piss Republicans :piss2

Cancel it and hoard chickens til 2014 just in case.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2010, 10:35:33 PM
Chickens and wine (with ice cubes of course)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2010, 01:47:59 AM
Quote from: George Will
Non-Hispanic Arizonans of all sorts live congenially with all sorts of persons of Hispanic descent. These include some whose ancestors got to Arizona before statehood — some even before it was a territory. They were in America before most Americans’ ancestors arrived. Arizonans should not be judged disdainfully and from a distance by people whose closest contacts with Hispanics are with fine men and women who trim their lawns and put plates in front of them at restaurants, not with illegal immigrants passing through their back yards at 3 a.m.

Thank God for the intellectual wing of American conservatism, amirite?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2010, 02:02:03 AM
Good lord, someone buy him a few laptops, maybe that will help
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 29, 2010, 02:22:13 AM
The funniest thing about that law is that about half of illegal immigrants are overstaying their work/student visa, so they were here legally for some time and it's reasonable to assume that their "suspicious" behavior doesn't increase after their legal status changes.  No matter how much you try to narrow down the profile, it's essentially a complete shot in the fucking dark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2010, 09:00:01 AM
am nintenho, show me your papers. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 29, 2010, 09:00:29 AM
Yeah! This is America, we speak English! If you want to live here, learn it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2010, 09:49:17 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2cfruqq.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/29/ken-blackwell-author-of-b_n_556982.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2010, 01:35:13 PM
Stewart: what is he doing that's tyrannical
Blackdude: he's setting the stage for a power grab
Stewart: how?
Blackdude: he's setting the stage for a power grab
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on April 29, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
I am embarrassed for that dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 29, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
Stewart was being kind of a dick. :lol

"I'm sorry, I was just quoting the title of the book."

"No, it's a fact. It's a number. It's larger."

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 29, 2010, 01:51:18 PM
"I'm just using factcheck dot org." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on April 29, 2010, 01:54:41 PM
Stewart is making a mockery of this guy. Poor dude, he should have gone on Glenn Beck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
How is he being a dick lol

He was prepared this time. He's had some interviews where equally crazy people have rolled right over him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2010, 04:29:31 PM
UK PM debate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/22/uk-election-debate-twitte_n_548197.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pollo on April 29, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
I just laugh at that NJ student protest.

As a denizen of Rockland County, county directly north of Bergen, a lot of the time I'm doing work inside one of the Northern Bergen libraries. A lot of these kids think they're going to have BC, Duke, NYU as their safeties -- a lot of them are going to be smacked in the fucking face when they realize the reality that not all of them are going to be clearing 750k a year easy, no matter how hard they work.

Too many people in this damn library are constantly focused on taking as many APs as they can, accruing enough volunteer work so it shines on their college transcript, and generally doing a whole load of bullshit that's not going to amount a damn once they get into college.

True story this was a convo i heard here the other day:

Girl(maybe sophmore): So..where you plan on going?
Guy: I dunno, maybe Princeton.
Girl: Gosh, that's so hard..
Guy: Yea I know, hopefully I can make it, problem is I don't work hard enough, might have to settle for Rutgers
Girl: Ewww, is that even like, a real college.
Guy: Haha just kidding, might as well go to Bergen Community

Granted these kids have no life experience being sophmores and juniors in highschool, but seriously some of them are just fucking delusional and are going to get a swift kick in the ass from life.

There's this 10 or 11 year old kid in here every day learning trig and geometry.

Not to say I'm for the budget cuts, but a lot of these people complaining are parents who are afraid Billy and Sally overachiever is going to have to settle for BC or Duke instead of Harvard or Princeton.

/end rant

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2010, 05:18:32 PM
Crist press conference soon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/36849400#36849400
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2010, 05:40:59 PM
You know you're fucked when you have to get a spokesman to start "Charlie Crist" chants that then die out slowly before being started up again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 29, 2010, 07:26:42 PM
Hey Ichi:

Quote from: The Stranger
I know that Puerto Rico has been up for statehood a couple of times before, but this time is slightly different. The House just passed HR 2499, which is an act that calls for a referendum asking Puerto Ricans if they want to do one of three things:

    1. “Independence: Puerto Rico should become fully independent from the United States;”

    2. “Sovereignty in Association with the United States: Puerto Rico and the United States should form a political association between sovereign nations that will not be subject to the Territorial Clause of the United States Constitution;”

    3. “Statehood: Puerto Rico should be admitted as a State of the Union.”

Conservative blogs are up in arms about this, and with good reason: Republicans aren't too popular with Hispanics right now. Now the bill will go to the Senate. Read more about it at Huffington Post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 29, 2010, 08:03:32 PM
lol socialism lol

http://www.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/04/29/greece.aid.deal/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 29, 2010, 08:06:06 PM
Apparently PR has opposed HR 2499 three times since 1970.  The question is do Puerto Ricans really care about their representation in Congress?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 29, 2010, 08:09:29 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 29, 2010, 08:06:06 PM
Apparently PR has opposed HR 2499 three times since 1970.  The question is do Puerto Ricans really care about their representation in Congress?

The other question is, do they want to start paying federal income tax?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 29, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
Option 1 will never win.  Option 2 seems like a far weaker version of the current system.  Option 3 usually gets around 47% of the vote whenever there's a referendum, with the other votes going to the current system and 3% going to independence.

Just because the statehood option wins doesn't mean it's going to happen though. I can't see Republicans ever admitting an island that's A) Hispanic and B) Spanish-speaking, into the union. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 29, 2010, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Tristam on April 28, 2010, 07:34:12 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 27, 2010, 06:47:18 PM
I'm curious, is there any tangible difference between say, hiring a dirty messican for some factory work at $3/hr in California, compared to outsourcing the same job at the same rate to somewhere in China/Honduras/Bangladesh? I ask cause it seems that the same people (or at the very least, many I've spoken to) that complain that they hate illegals cause they "steal their jerbs!" seem to have little issue with the latter. I'm sure I might be missing something here, but I don't see it. Is it one of those "if I can't see it in front of me, it's not actually happening!" cases?

Really? Companies who outsource much of their labor have been criticized for some time, whereas companies who don't (or claim they don't) are proud to point it out: Made in America, by Americans.

It was mumbling and grumbling rather than a furor but criticism nonetheless.

Yup. I was surprised, since I thought that they'd be pissed since the results are pretty much the same. For whatever reason, most of the repubs I spoke to looooove outsourcing.


Unrelated...

You know, I was thinking about what Bill Maher said the other day about who's actually a moderate republican, and then pointing to Obama. And turns out, there may be some truth to it afterall.


Teddy Roosevelt:
-Trust buster
-Wanted universal health care
-Big time treehugger

Dwight D. Eisenhower:
-Advocated tax rates over 90% for the wealthy
-Wanted universal health care
-Was against excessive military spending

Richard Nixon:
-Created SSI
-Surprisingly big on regulation
-Surprisingly liberal on environmental policy
-Was willing to initiate Universal health care (his plan, ironically, more liberal than Obamacare in some ways)

Ronald Reagan:
-Raised taxes 11 times, and had the highest tax rate at 50% (even though he lowered it later).
-Granted amnesty to 20 million illegal immigrants.
-Supported the Montreal Protocol
-Wanted to get rid of nukes

Thinking about it, in many ways, Obama might just be the LEAST liberal of the bunch here. :lol

Seriously, if these guys showed up at a teabagger rally (and the teabaggers actually had any idea of what they did) they'd lynch them on the same tree branch as Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 29, 2010, 08:18:33 PM
No, they wouldn't.  They're not black.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 29, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on April 29, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
Just because the statehood option wins doesn't mean it's going to happen though. I can't see Republicans ever admitting an island that's A) Hispanic and B) Spanish-speaking, into the union. :lol

Well it passed the House with a pretty even 223-169 vote and I think you need a 2/3 majority to admit a new state?  It'll definitely be interesting catalyst for culture warring.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 29, 2010, 08:23:51 PM
It'll be fun to see the Republicans trying to justify not letting PR into the union... :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 29, 2010, 08:44:31 PM
Do you want PR to become a state? What's the feeling back home?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on April 29, 2010, 08:52:05 PM
The feeling back home is that they like getting aid and not having to pay federal income tax, and they don't like the idea that if they become a state, they'll have to stop speaking Spanish which is a huge part of Puerto Rican culture.

Actually, if I remember my history right, after the Spanish-American War the US made a lot of initiatives to make Puerto Ricans switch from Spanish to English and none of them took, so it's a point of pride for Puerto Ricans that Spanish is the primary language (and whenever there's an anti-US administration in charge, they immediately push through a "Spanish is the official language of PR" law which is then immediately repealed when a pro-US administration takes over :lol).

I have no clue what would happen if it came down to a vote where "Either you join the US or you become independent."  I imagine at that point PRicans would look at the shitty quality of life in other islands in the Caribbean and vote for statehood.  Just my theory, though - I'm personally pro-statehood.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 29, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 29, 2010, 09:49:17 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2cfruqq.jpg)

Why the fuck is Doug Benson on there? He's a liberal. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 30, 2010, 12:00:16 AM
Probably because of the red eye canada incident although there are a lot more things to dislike about Fox rather than a comedian making some jokes at the expense of Canada.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 30, 2010, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 28, 2010, 12:55:11 AM

A case like this, where the bulk of the cops -- who have been given terribly vague guidelines of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" -- will be from a different ethnic community from the bulk of the offenders is only going to encourage harassment on a racial basis and exacerbate social division and mistrust.  Driving a community away from cooperation with the police (let alone other types of civic involvement) is a Very Bad Thing and should be treated like a serious concern.

Yes, that last sentence especially.  It's a difficulty here in Canada, both in terms of recruiting diverse officers, and in dealing with the community.  In cases of the major cities, where we have immigrants from all over the world, it can be difficult establishing good relations with populations which are used to more oppressive police systems and therefore inherently skeptical of police.  I can only imagine that problem is an order of magnitude more difficult in the US with its history of racial issues.

Being on "the inside", I can see how difficult it is to avoid profiling in some instances.  Not just as a cop on the street, but even in major investigations.  For example, organized crime still predominantly exists along ethnic lines.  So if you're on a stakeout for an Asian OC ring, and an Asian pulls up to a business, you're going to be suspicious.  Or you're investigating Eastern European drug smugglers, and you pull over a truck driver, run his Driver's licence, and the name comes up "Sergei Russianovich", it's going to pique your suspicion.

So given that, it's far better for lawmakers not to interfere and make laws that implicitly invite profiling.  There are enough avenues to establish reasonable belief that someone is an illegal immigrant as it is.

Every time in the last week that I've turned on CNN and seen that douchebag Arizona sheriff embarrass himself trying to justify the law, I just want to reach through the TV and punch him in the face.


Quote from: Mandark

I wonder where (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1106496#msg1106496) you might have read that!

 :lol :lol :lol

Oh my.  That just goes to show how fucked up I was that night, that I wasn't able to realize that I was just regurgitating something you had said ten hours earlier, 13 posts above mine, and on the same damn page..   :rofl   :-\ 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 30, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Have you ever had to police a Native reserve Boogie?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 30, 2010, 09:22:49 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 30, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Have you ever had to police a Native reserve Boogie?

No.  I was "fortunate" enough to be posted right to a Federal unit in the Greater Toronto Area, and all of my service has been there, notwithstanding trips to Quebec City for the Francophone Summit in 2008, and to B.C. for the Olympics in February.

Probably over half of RCMP members have policed in or near Native reserves though, and I've talked with many of those who have about their experiences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 30, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
I thought they had their own police forces?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 30, 2010, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 30, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
I thought they had their own police forces?

You thought wrong.

(A few do.  The biggest native reserves in Ontario, a couple in Quebec, and a few in Alberta.  But the RCMP has the responsibility for policing the majority of native communities in Canada.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2010, 09:44:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]5vdqUPIq9Nk[/youtube]
wtf

I hope Lincoln loses badly in the primary. Regardless of whether Halter would win in November, she needs to go asap
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 30, 2010, 09:48:01 PM
The reason I ask is both wondering about anything cross-cultural issues you might have, and also I once met a former RCMP officer at a wedding once and he reached his breaking point at a reserve. Picture coming into an empty shed and seeing two guys passed out snoring, a naked, bloody, shivering girl wimpering in the corner and an overturned bucket with some crumpled cheesecloth.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
They had spent they past few days beating and raping the girl and drinking until they passed out. When they'd puke, they'd use the cheesecloth to strain it into the bucket then drink it again  :-\
[close]

He said fuck it and got into computers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 30, 2010, 10:06:29 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on April 30, 2010, 09:48:01 PM
The reason I ask is both wondering about anything cross-cultural issues you might have, and also I once met a former RCMP officer at a wedding once and he reached his breaking point at a reserve. Picture coming into an empty shed and seeing two guys passed out snoring, a naked, bloody, shivering girl wimpering in the corner and an overturned bucket with some crumpled cheesecloth.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
They had spent they past few days beating and raping the girl and drinking until they passed out. When they'd puke, they'd use the cheesecloth to strain it into the bucket then drink it again  :-\
[close]

He said fuck it and got into computers.

Oh, no question, that doesn't surprise me a bit.  The historical and social problems facing the native communities in Canada are absolutely tragic.  It is my opinion that policing an isolated northern native reserve in Canada in the RCMP is quite likely the most challenging, difficult, stressful policing situation on earth.

Native communties are stricken with shameful levels of poverty, alcohol and other substance abuse, suicide rates over 3 times the national average, mental health issues, high gun ownership, and to have the responsibility and stress of policing in this environment with minimal backup is ridiculous.

You have communities like this of two to five thousand people being policed by two to five officers.  Backup doesn't exist.  Time off doesn't exist.  You're always on duty or on call.  The RCMP has even at times tried to place Native police officers in these communities, but the atmosphere is such that the communities see these officers as "traitors" to their race.  They are sometimes called "applies."  ie. Red on the skin, but white on the inside.  Plus, it is the unfortunate fact that some of these officers have the same problems of the the communities that they police.

My very good friend and troopmate was posted to Nunavut out of training for the past two years.  He's getting out in July.  And the stories he tells me, it's just a totally different type of policing there.

Apart from the side of me that longs for a challenge, I'd sooner be a police officer in the Bronx or Compton, or Jane and Finch in Toronto, than to police in an isolated native reserve in northern Manitoba, or Nunavut.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 01, 2010, 01:46:18 AM
I had a teacher at college who was a counselor in interior Alaska, and yes, the most fucked up stuff imaginable does happen and it does so with a stunning regularity.  I've known people who came from there that were well adjusted, funny, terrific human beings, and I've known people who are now dead because of some sort of substance abuse/suicide/abuse.

There's no inbetween, its either the people who come from there are fine or ruined for life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 01, 2010, 02:06:43 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2q1s5qh.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Donono on May 02, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
Quote from: Boogie on April 30, 2010, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 30, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
I thought they had their own police forces?

You thought wrong.

(A few do.  The biggest native reserves in Ontario, a couple in Quebec, and a few in Alberta.  But the RCMP has the responsibility for policing the majority of native communities in Canada.)

The reservation near my parent's house used to have its own police force, but in recent years I think they disbanded and just pay surrounding police forces to police the place because I haven't seen them in years.  But this is the US, so probably a lot different.

Are the native lands up in Canada somewhat autonomous?

Out of curiosity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2010, 11:47:07 AM
Quote
"Michelle Obama has made child obesity one of her causes...She has started a more intense program. It's called 'Leave No Child With A Bigger Behind.'"

 :lenowned

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYsGwLWqWI4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2010, 11:51:53 AM
Leno was godawful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 02, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Holy shit the Leno jabs. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 02, 2010, 12:22:00 PM
:rofl at the Michael Steele bit

"mah Brotha"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2010, 12:24:33 PM
Quote
"There's talk now that this oil slick could end up being bigger than that huge disaster they had up in Alaska. Really? Bigger than Sarah Palin?"

 :lenowned
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2010, 12:36:04 PM
Crist would have probably done better if he had just switched parties years ago. He's one of the few Republicans that I can remember that blacks don't detest on sight.

Quote
New poll: Charlie’s lead about to go poof.
Uncategorized — posted by mike thomas on April, 30 2010 9:57 AM
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Charlie Crist is up by four points in a poll taken April 24-25 for the Associated Industries of Florida. But it’s all downhill from here, says pollster Jim McLaughlin.

In the poll of 600 likely voters, conducted by McLaughlin & Associates, Crist was favored by 33 percent of respondents. Marco Rubio was favored by 29 percent and Democrat Kendrick Meek by 15 percent.

The poll shows Crist taking more votes from Meek than Rubio. Crist actually does better with Democrats than Meek, with 41 percent of them saying they would vote for him compared to 31 percent for Meek.

Crist pulls in 22 percent of Republicans, compared to 56 percent for Rubio.

While Crist projects himself as a conservative/moderate, he gets more support from people who consider themselves liberals than Meek – 43 percent to 33 percent.

Crist pulls in 36 percent support from blacks, compared to 45 percent for Meek.

McLaughlin says the numbers are not good for Crist. He notes that Hillary Clinton initially had a lot of black support, but it evaporated as President Obama’s campaign gained steam.

“He’ll be lucky to get 10 percent of the African-American vote on election day,’’ says McLaughlin.

McLaughlin also says as the election goes on, Democrats and Republicans will start heading back to their own candidates. As Crist’s poll numbers drop, that dynamic only will increase.

“I would make a pretty good bet he not only will not win, he will run an embarrassing third,’’ says McLaughlin. “I think he’s done politically.’’



http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2010/04/new-poll-charlies-lead-about-to-go-poof.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Sman on May 02, 2010, 12:42:57 PM
Oops! Thanks!  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2010, 12:45:42 PM
wrong thread. You want the outside link thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
Someone sent this to me on facebook
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4175805/penchant-for-personal-attacks?playlist_id=86858

Seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 02, 2010, 03:40:52 PM
It's called calling the bitches out for what they are. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 02, 2010, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: Donono on May 02, 2010, 12:09:03 AM
Quote from: Boogie on April 30, 2010, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 30, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
I thought they had their own police forces?

You thought wrong.

(A few do.  The biggest native reserves in Ontario, a couple in Quebec, and a few in Alberta.  But the RCMP has the responsibility for policing the majority of native communities in Canada.)

The reservation near my parent's house used to have its own police force, but in recent years I think they disbanded and just pay surrounding police forces to police the place because I haven't seen them in years.  But this is the US, so probably a lot different.

Are the native lands up in Canada somewhat autonomous?

Out of curiosity.

You're drozmight, right? If so, I used to work on that reservation. I don't anymore, but I still work with a lot of the kids from the reservation at my two schools. The Tribal Police disbanded years ago and are now policed by the town's police department and state patrol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 02, 2010, 09:34:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2010, 03:36:53 PM
Someone sent this to me on facebook
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4175805/penchant-for-personal-attacks?playlist_id=86858

Seriously?

Obama is a dick!

That Charlie Crist joke bombed so bad. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2010, 09:36:06 PM
I only watched it because the Huffington Post said it was teh funny. But wow, Obama can't tell a joke, and his fake laugh is kinda alarming.

I'd rather hang out with Dubya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 02, 2010, 09:57:13 PM
Black people pwned
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 03, 2010, 03:39:26 AM
Holy shit PD, you can't be fucking serious, he killed. Watch Leno's bit afterward if you wanna see someone bomb.

SMH

on Michael Steele "mah Brotha" :rofl

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 03, 2010, 06:59:38 AM
Obama was funny as hell...you are crazy PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
[youtube=560,345]w8EKhl4-bCA[/youtube]

So when the government wants to address illegal immigration, the right throws a fit and creates a poisonous political climate, making any progress impossible. Then they turn around and pass laws like this one, and complain about the feds not addressing the issue. And now that Obama is like "fine dudes, lets address immigration" they claim he's playing politics and isn't focusing on the economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2010, 12:45:46 PM
Reason #1564656564546 our media sucks.

Quote
MSNBC President Phil Griffin said in an interview with the Chicago Tribune's Phil Rosenthal that he hopes MSNBC can grow to be more like Fox News, but that he won't be putting any "hard-right shows" on his network.

Griffin praised Fox News chief Roger Ailes for the television phenomenon he's created.

"He's changed media," Griffin said of Ailes. "Everybody does news differently because Roger's changed the world. Roger early on figured it out and was brilliant."

To Griffin, developing a successful cable news network means creating a place for "like-minded" viewers to come for the network's hosts' takes on the news.

"We're talking about the actions and passions of today, which tend to be political," he said.

"I don't think we have quite the passionate support that Fox does," he said. "Some shows do, but as a network we don't. Our prime time is getting there. But that's what we want to get."

But despite the desire to emulate Fox, Griffin insists he would not put on a hardcore conservative news show

"Could we put on a hard-right show? No. It wouldn't fit," he said. "I want flow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2010, 12:48:32 PM
wow

Don't hear anything about "we want to be a premier news network with top notch journalism." Instead: "we need some entertaining ideologues to appeal to dumb people on both sides"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 03, 2010, 09:30:01 PM
Has anyone seen these right wing opinion articles(conservative news orgs.)that cast these Arizona law protesters as liberal, left wing, and violent crowd?

http://redblueamerica.com/blog/2010-04-23/liberal-demonstraters-turn-violent-arizona-6666

http://apcheck.blogspot.com/2010/04/liberals-violently-protest-against.html

I've even seen blurbs of this shit on the AP.  MrAngryFace

All hispanics are liberals now. Didn't you know?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2010, 09:38:22 PM
I wonder what will happen if they start protesting with guns. How will the tea partiers feel about that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2010, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2010, 09:38:22 PM
I wonder what will happen if they start protesting with guns. How will the tea partiers feel about that

I don't think Republicans would just abandon their principles and sell out the Second Amendment (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=mulford+act&aq=f&aqi=g2g-m2g-msx1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=a86c207b1c79523e) just because a bunch of brown people were carrying.  That's just cynical.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 03, 2010, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2010, 10:53:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2010, 09:38:22 PM
I wonder what will happen if they start protesting with guns. How will the tea partiers feel about that

I don't think Republicans would just abandon their principles and sell out the Second Amendment (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=mulford+act&aq=f&aqi=g2g-m2g-msx1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=a86c207b1c79523e) just because a bunch of brown people were carrying.  That's just cynical.

  Good 'ole Republicans....some things they are very consistent on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 03, 2010, 11:08:35 PM
John McCain taking on the tough issues and being a Maverick!

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/95799-whats-in-a-name-just-ask-this-former-navy-pilot-hero
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Skidmark on May 04, 2010, 01:09:40 AM
I wish I could see in the pictures and the video clips, it would have made it a lot more fun to watch the white house correspondents dinner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 12:42:37 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/04/faisal-shahzad-arrest-bec_n_562467.html

Holy shit, Glen Beck as a voice of reason. I dunno if the other guy is playing devil's advocate or is simply a fuck tard. Constitution lovers who hate Miranda rights lol.

"sometime's people still talk after Miranda rights"

Yea, no fucking shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 04, 2010, 12:47:39 PM
I'm glad Glenn Beck is defending my rights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 12:48:14 PM
Guess he doesn't know you're a Mets fan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 04, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
Maybe he's a Mets fan too and knows I was trying to kill Omar Minaya.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
McCain Wants to Execute Terrorism Suspect, Make It Impossible to Secure Conviction
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/05/mccain-wants-to-executive-terror-suspect-make-it-impossible-to-secure-conviction-against-terror-suspect.php

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2010, 02:36:33 PM
David Brooks (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/opinion/04brooks.html) is a terrible person.

I could easily churn out an angry tl;dr rant about every single one of his columns lately, if I let myself get started.  He's just awful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 04, 2010, 02:46:30 PM
Wait, does he essentially try to make the point that spending on health care is stupid, because one ethnicity here has roughly the same health statistics as the same ethnicity in another country?

"Black people always die younger, look at Africa!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2010, 02:48:31 PM
He's just jealous of the Swedes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
Quote
Bad policy can decimate the social fabric, but good policy can only modestly improve it.

Wait what
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 02:52:13 PM
Yglesias on Brooks and Brad DeLong's response to the article
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/05/defending-david-brooks-from-brad-delongs-smears.php
(I haven't read it yet)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2010, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
Quote
Bad policy can decimate the social fabric, but good policy can only modestly improve it.

Wait what

Recently, Brooks has mustered his powers of sloppy pseudosociological observation in support of a vaguely defined program of communitarianism (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/opinion/19brooks.html), blathering on about trust and mutual support.  I wouldn't be surprised if the extent of his research was buying a book of Norman Rockwell pictures and staring at them really, really hard until the ideas started flowing.

It's a more genteel telling of the bootstrap narrative where whole communities are (reluctantly, lamentably) condemned for not having the proper "culture of achievement".  Thus we shouldn't give money to the darkies in Haiti (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html) until they learn to stop worshiping the wrong deities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Quote
Therefore, the first rule of policy-making should be, don’t promulgate a policy that will destroy social bonds. If you take tribes of people, exile them from their homelands and ship them to strange, arid lands, you’re going to produce bad outcomes for generations. Second, try to establish basic security. If the government can establish a basic level of economic and physical security, people may create a culture of achievement — if you’re lucky. Third, try to use policy to strengthen relationships. The best policies, like good preschool and military service, fortify emotional bonds.

Idealistic, but unrealistic. This has already happened with some minorities such as blacks in America. But replace "basic security" with evasive socio-economic terrorism and discrimination. Brooks is talking about Steps A and B when we're already at X.

Sounds like we should introduce Brooks to Gabron so they can wax poetic all night about the perfect worlds they have created in their minds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
On a side note, Ezra Klein's latest tweet

 ezraklein
Lupe Fiasco is still underrated. "That case in court did not defer the dream/I am still a raisin in the sun/raging against the machine"

And his previous tweet was under #realtalk. Might have to invite him to Evilbore
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 04, 2010, 06:06:27 PM
We have enough mouth breathers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 04, 2010, 07:31:42 PM
Anybody got a spare $6,000 burning a hole in their pocket?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150440082471#rpdId
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2010, 07:43:06 PM
Republicans calling other republicans untrustworthy. I'm shocked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 04, 2010, 08:17:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
On a side note, Ezra Klein's latest tweet

 ezraklein
Lupe Fiasco is still underrated. "That case in court did not defer the dream/I am still a raisin in the sun/raging against the machine"

And his previous tweet was under #realtalk. Might have to invite him to Evilbore

Yeah after bringing back Cheebs and The Dark Shake 3000  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 08:30:56 PM
So Michael Brown is going on a media tour saying crazy shit. How is it possible for Brown of all people to get away with that?

[youtube=560,345]2XBM8KwJ-iE[/youtube]
ohh he was on Fox. Makes sense now

Matthews annihilating Brown
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews#36948458
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kestastrophe on May 04, 2010, 08:56:59 PM
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/winner_of_president_barack_oba.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2010/05/winner_of_president_barack_oba.html)

Obama will give commencement speech at Kalamazoo Central Highschool

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 08:59:06 PM
Finally a black person will visit Kalamazoo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2010, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
On a side note, Ezra Klein's latest tweet

 ezraklein
Lupe Fiasco is still underrated. "That case in court did not defer the dream/I am still a raisin in the sun/raging against the machine"

And his previous tweet was under #realtalk. Might have to invite him to Evilbore


I used to chat with him over AIM.  Maybe we can get him to talk about video games n' bitches like the old days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 04, 2010, 11:07:35 PM
About the UK election in a few days.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237351
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2010, 12:23:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2010, 08:30:56 PM
Matthews annihilating Brown
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews#36948458

I got to the part where Michael Brown, director of FEMA in 2005, says "it's Katrina all over again" and I couldn't go on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 05, 2010, 12:40:01 AM
Brownie is doin' a heckuva job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 01:19:17 AM
Sounds like he's blaming Bush for Katrina lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2010, 09:44:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]5vdqUPIq9Nk[/youtube]
wtf

I hope Lincoln loses badly in the primary. Regardless of whether Halter would win in November, she needs to go asap

Missed this earlier.  Pretty goddam racist.

To Lincoln's credit TNR (http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/outsourced-racism) says she condemned the ad (run by a corporate astroturf group) immediately.  Since the ad isn't attributable to an actual politician, we'll probably miss all the great "I don't see anything racist in there" denials that come with official campaign spots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 05, 2010, 04:34:56 AM
Bangalore needs manymany jobs! Thank you, Bill Halter!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 05, 2010, 09:52:50 AM
Why is that racist ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 05, 2010, 11:30:33 AM
The guys behind that ad are the most disgusting people on earth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 05, 2010, 12:33:53 PM
hahahahahahahaha

Quote from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/05/strong-brew/
The term "tea-bagger" is like uttering the "n" word, some say. Though he aspires to promote civility, evidence has surfaced that President Obama has added "tea-bagger" to his public lexicon, though it's considered a cheap and tawdry insult by "tea party" activists. Watchdogs at Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) barked when they saw the proof, tucked in a sneak peak of Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter's new book, "The Promise: President Obama, Year One," to be released May 18. Indeed, it appears the president joined certain partisan critics and the liberal media, and took the tea-bag plunge.

"This remark is the equivalent of using the 'n' word. It shows contempt for middle America, expressed knowingly, contemptuously, on purpose, and with a smirk. It is indefensible to use this word. The president knows what it means, and his people know what it means. The public thought we reached a new low of incivility during the Clinton administration. Well, the Obama administration has just outdone them," ATR president Grover Norquist tells Inside the Beltway.

hahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 12:35:45 PM
Taxation with representation=slavery
Tea bag=n word

Hmm I wonder what's going on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 05, 2010, 01:11:25 PM
Tea bag is an apt name. The lay their heads back, open their mouth, and let the GOP dip it's nuts in said mouth. Fucking hell yeah it's derogatory and rightfully so.
Title: I got that beat
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
Not only was Jay Nordlinger at the National Review making this comparison last fall, he was taking it back (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NDMxZGQ1Mzc0OTFiMGZkNDBmMWNlZTMzNzFhNDNkNGY=):

Quote from: Nordlinger
The word has gone mainstream, really. I have seen it in conservative columns — columns critical of the protesters — which is really deflating. How is it that an obscene putdown is instantly and everywhere acceptable? Not very long ago, Al D’Amato was practically run out of politics for saying “putzhead.”

It could be that conservatives will “own the insult” and use “teabagger” as a badge of honor. It could become some proud conservative N-word. President Reagan said, “I’m a contra, too.” Well, I’m a teabagger too — and the Anderson Cooper types can [go jump in a lake]. Still, I find the word kind of sickening, and its rapid spread and acceptance even more sickening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 05, 2010, 05:28:24 PM
Holy shit, check out this scumbag:

Quote
Nashville, Tenn.: "Judson -- Are you willing to admit that taxes have actually gone down for the vast majority of Americans under President Obama?

Judson Phillips: No"

Okay - can you provide actual evidence that taxes have increased or stayed the same under President Obama?

Judson Phillips: Let's start with him allowing the bush tax cuts to expire.

Quote
Sidney, N.Y.: Many Tea Party supporters I know in Upstate New York receive federal single payer health benefits from VA, Medicare and Medicaid, which they profess to support while vehemently arguing against the still most private market health-care insurance reform. Please help me make sense of this.

Judson Phillips: And I know liberals who believe in the tooth fairy.

Quote
Socialism: Are you willing to publicly state that, while you might disagree with President Obama's policies, he's clearly not a socialist?

Judson Phillips: He clearly is. And I strongly disagree with him.

Quote
Alexandria, Va.: Are you willing to admit that marginal tax rates went up for the majority of Americans during the Reagan administration? Do you know the difference between average and marginal tax rates? Could you answer a simple econ 101 questions regarding the impact of progressive taxation on the labor-leisure choice?

Judson Phillips: No.

Quote
Kansas City: I keep hearing the "I want my country back" Frankly I don't understand what that means. If anything OUR country was taken from US in December 2000 when the Supreme Court got involved in state issues and didn't let counting go one, permitting the second place guy to end up in the White House.

Also, you do understand that the Bush tax cuts expire AFTER 2010 if not reapproved? I believe the previous question was about have taxes gone down now, not guessing about the future.

Judson Phillips: And as soon as we vote out the obama/pelosi/reid axis of fiscal evil, we will get out country back.

Quote
Miami: Judson: RE: The Reagan plan

Regardless of what he said he was going to do he brought a tripling of the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion.

Among Reagan's failures was that he did not control federal spending growth. Federal spending rose 69 percent from 1981 to 1989.

Why is he a hero to you?

Judson Phillips: Should Reagan have vetoed some of those spending bills. Sure. He should have. But no one is perfect. He defeated communism which is one of the reasons he is a hero to me. The simple fact is under Reagan and his tax cuts, GDP grew faster in a shorter period of time than it did under either Bush or Clinton.

Quote
Tea Party composition: All polls indicate that the typical tea partier is indeed white and over 50. Why won't you admit this? Your anecdotal answers aren't persuasive.

Judson Phillips: And your polls are not either. You know what Disreali said. There are lies, damn lies and then there are liberal polls.

Quote
Reagan: "The simple fact is under Reagan and his tax cuts, GDP grew faster in a shorter period of time than it did under either Bush or Clinton."

At a cost of the tripling of the deficit.

Let's be real here, you don't have a problem with debt, the deficit, or government spending. You have a problem with Democrats doing it.

This is why no rational person acknowledges your "movement" as anything beyond a cheap shill for the GOP.

Judson Phillips: Yes, and your heros, the liberal democrats of the 80's were spending like drunken democrats. I have problem with democrats and liberals being in control of the government. IT's sort of like leaving a convicted sex offender alone with children. It is a very bad idea.

Quote
Maryland: I am sorry but your answer of "I think the political class is afraid of the Tea Party movement. After all, we get people out as volunteers and get them to the polls. For them, it cannot be the same as usual in D.C. A lot of them are going to be unemployed after the first of the year and that does scare them" is really offensive. This us vs. them mentality is really repulsive to me. I am a hard-working middle class American and I don't agree with anything you are saying, and I have a right not agree with you. But you spliting the citizenry into classes of "elites/political class/Washington insiders/liberals" vs "real Americans" is just plain wrong! and that's the problem with your movement.

Liberals are just as American as you are and you and your movement has no right to question people's patriotism or Americanness just because they disagree with you.

Judson Phillips: Yes we do. You folks in the left do far worse. Patriotism is not something that cannot be measured. It can be. And you folks on the left, as a general rule are not patriotic. You do not love this country. You are embarrassed by us.

I hate to tell you this, but those of us in fly over country are the real americans.


Definitely some great pushback questions in there, at least.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/05/05/DI2010050502168.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2010/05/05/DI2010050502168.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 05, 2010, 05:50:08 PM
My taxes went up by $3 a month this year and I make less than $40,000  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 05, 2010, 07:07:05 PM
"Judson Phillips: And your polls are not either. You know what Disreali said. There are lies, damn lies and then there are liberal polls."

 bu-bu-bu

...

oh, nevermind.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 05, 2010, 07:11:03 PM
who is this guy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 05, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
The Reality Defense Shield is strong with this one
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2010, 07:46:23 PM
Any brits on the board?  Just wondering about your thoughts on the election tomorrow.


I remember a lot of people outside of this country being sort of baffled by the results of the 2000 election and our electoral college. Seems like the UK is heading towards their own unique weird situation potentially.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 05, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2010, 07:46:23 PM
Any brits on the board?  Just wondering about your thoughts on the election tomorrow?


I remember a lot of people outside of this country being sort of baffled by the results of the 2000 election and our electoral college. Seems like the UK is heading towards their own unique weird situation potentially.

eh?  Doesn't really seem to be a situation very different compared with any other parliamentary democracy, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: Boogie on May 05, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2010, 07:46:23 PM
Any brits on the board?  Just wondering about your thoughts on the election tomorrow?


I remember a lot of people outside of this country being sort of baffled by the results of the 2000 election and our electoral college. Seems like the UK is heading towards their own unique weird situation potentially.

eh?  Doesn't really seem to be a situation very different compared with any other parliamentary democracy, as far as I can tell.

Probably, but from an American pov it's quite odd. A comparable analogy would be if in 2008, there was no presidential election per se, and instead the presidency was won by whichever party won the required seat majority in the House of Representatives (the senate is so shitty it doesn't exist in my analogy!). A lot of people just assume Brits are going to go out and vote for Brown, Cameron, or Clegg.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2010, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Boogie on May 05, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
eh?  Doesn't really seem to be a situation very different compared with any other parliamentary democracy, as far as I can tell.

It probably isn't although a lot of the foreign press and even british press seems to be making a big deal out of the potential outcome and declaring that a lot of reform needs to be done to the process. As an outsider of course perhaps I'm not up to speed with how actual people feel though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 05, 2010, 08:15:08 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2010, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Boogie on May 05, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
eh?  Doesn't really seem to be a situation very different compared with any other parliamentary democracy, as far as I can tell.

It probably isn't although a lot of the foreign press and even british press seems to be making a big deal out of the potential outcome and declaring that a lot of reform needs to be done to the process. As an outsider of course perhaps I'm not up to speed with how actual people feel though.


I think the British press is making a big deal of it because the UK hasn't had a hung/minority parliament in quite a while (1974, or so wikipedia tells me).

In contrast, Canada has had  minority governments continually since 2004, and it's quite common in other countries as well.

As for calls for reform, many countries that follow the Westminister "First-past-the-post" model always have people bitching about it and desiring a system of proportional representation.  I've never been sold on PR, but then, I'm not far-left in my politics, which is usually the segment that cries out for PR.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 08:04:26 PM

Probably, but from an American pov it's quite odd. A comparable analogy would be if in 2008, there was no presidential election per se, and instead the presidency was won by whichever party won the required seat majority in the House of Representatives (the senate is so shitty it doesn't exist in my analogy!). A lot of people just assume Brits are going to go out and vote for Brown, Cameron, or Clegg.

Ya, that's a decent analogy.  And even though Brits technically aren't directly voting for Brown, Cameron, or Clegg, the leaders of the parties can often be what people base their vote on, not their specific member of parliament.

Certainly here in Canada, the results of our most recent election had a lot to do with the leadership aspect of Harper vs. Dion. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
So I heard Drudge is gay. Wow, didn't know about this

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n 2003, Drudge faced criticism for describing ABC reporter Jeffrey Kofman as "openly gay" in the headline "ABC News Reporter Who Filed Troops Complaint Story — Openly Gay Canadian" after Kofman interviewed anti-war soldiers in Iraq.[30][31][32][33] Drudge's critics, like gay American writer and national talk radio host Michelangelo Signorile,[34][35] point to the allegations of homosexuality leveled at Drudge himself by David Brock of Media Matters in his memoir Blinded by the Right,[36][37] and by columnist Jeannette Walls in her book Dish.[38][39][40][41] Walls wrote that Drudge had a long homosexual relationship with Washington D.C. landscaper, David Cohen. Cohen confirmed the relationship to the New York Daily News.[42][43] Drudge denies that he is gay, telling the Miami New Times in 2001 that "I go to straight bars, I go to gay bars. [Walls] never said there was sex; she said there was dating. She never had enough to go that far."[44]

In 2002, Drudge discussed suing actor Alec Baldwin with his lawyer, after Baldwin claimed, during a Howard Stern interview, that Drudge had propositioned him.[45][46][47] In March 2008, Baldwin repeated the story to the LGBT magazine The Advocate, saying that there was "a kind of creepy quality" to Drudge's sexual advances, and that he was surprised Drudge was so "uptight about being gay".[48]

In 2005, Drudge told The Sunday Times, "No, I’m not gay. I was nearly married a few years ago."[49] He has also said: "How can I be gay when I'm dating a woman with boobs and rollers?"[40]

Out (magazine) named Drudge #6 of the 50 most powerful gay people in the United States in 2009.[50] However, Drudge described the depiction of him in Out as "loving Chaka Khan, The Young and the Restless, and sex with men," and also "antigay, anti-choice and anti-tolerance", as "False. False. False. I do not love sex with men. My site is not anti-gay. I present both sides of the anti-choice-life issue... I liked Chaka in the eighties, and have not watched Young and the Restless in twenty years!"[51] He argues that questions about his sexual orientation are "more examples of liberals attempting to use culture, even dance culture, to advance their agenda."[44]

[youtube=560,345]tkk7VUMSUlo[/youtube]
First time I've heard Drudge speak/seen him in video. Yeah...I'm gonna go with definitely gay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 05, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
He could have easily have been the fifth Ghostbuster if he just played himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2010, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
So I heard Drudge is gay. Wow, didn't know about this

That was the juiciest tidbit in David Brock's book about being a rightwing operative.

Not surprising, since there are a bunch of closeted guys active in conservative politics.  Him, Ken Mehlman, David Dreier (of Barney Frank's "moderate bar" one-liner), Charlie Crist, Larry Craig, and Karl Rove.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2010, 12:25:16 AM
I love Drudge's obsession with Janet Napolitano. I laugh everytime he puts a bad picture of her on the website.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 06, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 04, 2010, 02:36:33 PM
David Brooks (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/opinion/04brooks.html) is a terrible person.

I could easily churn out an angry tl;dr rant about every single one of his columns lately, if I let myself get started.  He's just awful.
He's right though policy rarely works. Or rather government can rarely make policy work effectively.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FoneBone on May 06, 2010, 12:50:58 AM
It appears that Gaborn has single-handedly solved racism: it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2010, 12:54:08 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on May 06, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
He's right though policy rarely works. Or rather government can rarely make policy work effectively.

Nah, that's very wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 06, 2010, 01:00:57 AM
Who's FoneBone and why is he a member of the walking dead?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 01:12:00 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2010, 12:25:16 AM
I love Drudge's obsession with Janet Napolitano. I laugh everytime he puts a bad picture of her on the website.


BIG SIS

One of his most obnoxious running gags imo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on May 06, 2010, 03:37:09 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on May 06, 2010, 01:00:57 AM
Who's FoneBone and why is he a member of the walking dead?

One of my favorite GAF members. Welcome, FoneBone.  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 06:38:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 01:12:00 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2010, 12:25:16 AM
I love Drudge's obsession with Janet Napolitano. I laugh everytime he puts a bad picture of her on the website.


BIG SIS

One of his most obnoxious running gags imo.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20100409/i/r100128668.jpg?x=234&y=345&q=85&sig=P66U9xbvXWKbFLf04y4Scg--)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 06, 2010, 06:43:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 06, 2010, 12:02:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2010, 08:56:05 PM
So I heard Drudge is gay. Wow, didn't know about this

That was the juiciest tidbit in David Brock's book about being a rightwing operative.

Not surprising, since there are a bunch of closeted guys active in conservative politics.  Him, Ken Mehlman, David Dreier (of Barney Frank's "moderate bar" one-liner), Charlie Crist, Larry Craig, and Karl Rove.

Some people also think Rush Limbaugh is gay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 06, 2010, 09:01:59 AM
Just because he likes to put things in his ass doesn't make him gay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 09:37:22 AM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

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On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.
Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.
"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

On a scale from 1 to 10 how happy does this story make EB liberals?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 06, 2010, 09:41:35 AM
6.8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 06, 2010, 09:44:52 AM
Happier than keeping prayer out of public schools, but not as happy as forcing the homosexual agenda on impressionable teenagers.  So that's about a 7.5.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
http://www.annarbor.com/news/black-student-only-field-trip-sparks-controversy-at-ann-arbor-elementary-school/

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An Ann Arbor elementary school principal used a letter home to parents tonight to defend a field trip for black students as part of his school’s efforts to close the achievement gap between white and black students.
Dicken Elementary School Principal Mike Madison wrote the letter to parents following several days of controversy at the school after a field trip last week in which black students got to hear a rocket scientist.

Didn't Dr. Martin Luther King have a dream? Something about treating people the same? We may never know his stance on segregating school activities.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 06, 2010, 09:49:55 AM
Did you get banned at GAF or something, Beardo?  Why the fuck are you even here?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
http://www.annarbor.com/news/black-student-only-field-trip-sparks-controversy-at-ann-arbor-elementary-school/

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An Ann Arbor elementary school principal used a letter home to parents tonight to defend a field trip for black students as part of his school’s efforts to close the achievement gap between white and black students.
Dicken Elementary School Principal Mike Madison wrote the letter to parents following several days of controversy at the school after a field trip last week in which black students got to hear a rocket scientist.

Didn't Dr. Martin Luther King have a dream? Something about treating people the same? We may never know his stance on segregating school activities.  :'(

There are black kids in Ann Arbor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2010, 10:17:45 AM
Searching for Bobby Fischer Ward Churchill
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2010, 10:25:09 AM
Fox defends the Michael Brown interview because he is 'an expert on botched responses (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/05/fox-defends-michael-brown_n_565214.html).'

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Eric P on May 06, 2010, 10:33:18 AM
Quote from: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
http://www.annarbor.com/news/black-student-only-field-trip-sparks-controversy-at-ann-arbor-elementary-school/

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An Ann Arbor elementary school principal used a letter home to parents tonight to defend a field trip for black students as part of his school’s efforts to close the achievement gap between white and black students.
Dicken Elementary School Principal Mike Madison wrote the letter to parents following several days of controversy at the school after a field trip last week in which black students got to hear a rocket scientist.

Didn't Dr. Martin Luther King have a dream? Something about treating people the same? We may never know his stance on segregating school activities.  :'(

is there a reverse racism aggregator out there or did you have to build your own?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on May 06, 2010, 11:18:36 AM
definitely falls under benign/reverse discrimination.  The link's dead for me, but if it's a public school they're gonna get in trouble.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2010, 12:58:15 PM
Clearly that liberals hate the flag, America, and freedom. Only conservatives are patriots. Only conservatives are real Americans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 09:37:22 AM
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html

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On any other day at Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Daniel Galli and his four friends would not even be noticed for wearing T-shirts with the American flag. But Cinco de Mayo is not any typical day especially on a campus with a large Mexican American student population.
Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.
"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

On a scale from 1 to 10 how happy does this story make EB liberals?


Isn't wearing American flags as clothing/bandanas considered tacky and even disrespectful to the flag? Clearly the principle did the right thing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on May 06, 2010, 01:19:07 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/news/companies/dropping_benefits.fortune/?npt=NP1

What does EB think?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 06, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 06, 2010, 01:19:07 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/news/companies/dropping_benefits.fortune/?npt=NP1

What does EB think?

It's inevitable.

On a personal level. Pay thousands of dollars a year for health insurance or a couple hundred dollar fine. Not a tough decision.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2010, 04:30:34 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 06, 2010, 01:19:07 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/news/companies/dropping_benefits.fortune/?npt=NP1

What does EB think?



First of all, the "write down" these corps are complaining about is the lost corporate welfare they so enjoyed. Boo hoo. Second, worker's pay and benefits have been stagnant or declining for the pat 30 years. Corps only look out for themselves so this is not really a surprise to me.

Saying that AT&T slide is correct, they will have to find something to invest that money in if it's not its workers or a huge chunk of that is going to taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 06, 2010, 05:21:57 PM
eb thinks, as ever, that we shoulda gone with single-payer in the first place, and leave cadillac plans as nothing more than a market option for the wealthy or as a way of wooing talent

but OH NO SOCIOMALISM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 06, 2010, 05:32:23 PM
We're heading towards single-payer anyway, this bill is botched. It is inevitable.

(http://llamabutchers.mu.nu/agentsmith.jpg)



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 05:42:40 PM
So it looks like we can laugh at the British for electing their own Dubya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 06, 2010, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 06, 2010, 01:19:07 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/05/news/companies/dropping_benefits.fortune/?npt=NP1

What does EB think?


I think they are doing something that every American will do. They will sit down and determine which way is the cheapest and choose that route. We do not value health care in this country and many millions of Americans will still go without.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
So I'm guessing I can laugh at Cheebs for his obsession over Clegg's momentum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 06, 2010, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
So I'm guessing I can laugh at Cheebs for his obsession over Clegg's momentum

hahahahaha I should have known Cheebs would wet his pants over that shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2010, 09:59:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
So I'm guessing I can laugh at Cheebs for his obsession over Clegg's momentum

He's no Mitt Romney eh...

Liberal Democrats seem to be doing worse than expected. I know a lot of people in that UK poli-gaf thread were supporting them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2010, 10:02:58 PM
Apparently they did no better than in 2005, according to exit polls so far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 06, 2010, 10:06:03 PM
From fivethirtyeight:

2:39 AM [Thomas D.] As the Lib Dems look like they're having a flop of Howard Dean proportions, the pundits will surely be asking what went wrong. Could be a case of too much tact. As a Tory government looked more likely in the past week, and Clegg flirted with joining a Tory coalition, leaning Lib Dem voters could have reverted back to Labour.

Makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2010, 02:23:20 AM
Quote
Britain is heading for its first hung Parliament since 1974, with the Conservatives the largest party, according to an updated Sky News forecast.

The new projection puts the Tories on course to win 309 seats, followed by Labour on 259 and the Lib Dems sliding to 54. Other parties share 28 seats.
The estimated result would see David Cameron's party missing out on the 326 MPs needed for an overall majority by 17 seats.

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 07, 2010, 10:48:29 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umTITWQuXwY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 07, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
Worst political ad ever. Except for maybe that one Mike Gravel ad. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 07, 2010, 10:53:01 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Looks like Grayson got his re-election wrapped up then :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 07, 2010, 01:35:53 PM
What the fuck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 07, 2010, 02:36:03 PM
you've got to be fucking kidding me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: twerd on May 07, 2010, 02:46:07 PM
how...how did that ad get made
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 07, 2010, 02:56:20 PM
we sure that's not a parody?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 07, 2010, 03:14:55 PM
It has to be a parody.

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Please tell me that was a parody.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: twerd on May 07, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004214-503544.html

not a parody
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 07, 2010, 03:21:53 PM
Quote
The candidate, a pilot, insisted the spot wasn't intended to suggest that people with darker skin are more likely to be terrorists. The point, he said, was that people from countries like Iran and Iraq require more security.d

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2010, 03:49:23 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2010, 05:18:47 PM
90% of people who whine about political correctness are just mad they can't say the n word without getting in trouble.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2010, 05:56:30 PM
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A municipal court judge in New Jersey resigned this week after the state Supreme Court advised him not to promote his new movie -- a satire about President Obama's life that depicts him making a deal with the devil in order to become a communist dictator.

"It put me in an impossible position," the ex-judge, Kenneth Del Vecchio, told TPM in an interview today. "I had two choices: Either I could remain as a judge and shut up and have no free speech rights whatsoever ... or I had to resign."

Del Vecchio, a prolific filmmaker and author, produced, wrote and stars in "O.B.A.M. Nude," a movie about a coke-addled college student who sells his soul to the devil in order to impose his socialist will on the country. Satan starts him out by hooking him up with the "Righteous Reverend," a "close friend" of the devil's.
[youtube=560,345]CEqVcZyqsC8[/youtube]
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/nj-judge-resigns-over-his-film-about-obamas-deal-with-the-devil.php?ref=fpa

nearly a decade worth of law school down the drain. no words
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 07, 2010, 06:01:55 PM
"prolific filmmaker" :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 07, 2010, 06:04:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2010, 05:18:47 PM
90% of people who whine about political correctness are just mad they can't say the n word without getting in trouble.

Preach it, my distinguished black fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 07, 2010, 06:05:25 PM
As Del Vecchio points out, "I'm a pretty well-known filmmaker." He's made a slew of movies, nearly all of which he appears in.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 07, 2010, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2010, 05:56:30 PM
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A municipal court judge in New Jersey resigned this week after the state Supreme Court advised him not to promote his new movie -- a satire about President Obama's life that depicts him making a deal with the devil in order to become a communist dictator.

"It put me in an impossible position," the ex-judge, Kenneth Del Vecchio, told TPM in an interview today. "I had two choices: Either I could remain as a judge and shut up and have no free speech rights whatsoever ... or I had to resign."

Del Vecchio, a prolific filmmaker and author, produced, wrote and stars in "O.B.A.M. Nude," a movie about a coke-addled college student who sells his soul to the devil in order to impose his socialist will on the country. Satan starts him out by hooking him up with the "Righteous Reverend," a "close friend" of the devil's.
[youtube=560,345]CEqVcZyqsC8[/youtube]
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/nj-judge-resigns-over-his-film-about-obamas-deal-with-the-devil.php?ref=fpa

nearly a decade worth of law school down the drain. no words

Who the fuck made him a judge? :rofl

I'm howling here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 07, 2010, 06:36:34 PM
I don't see what the issue is. Especially since this film sounds like non-fiction to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on May 07, 2010, 08:53:20 PM
i love how much that guy wants to be crucified and look like a victim in all of this :lol

i think im going to email this guy and explain to him why he is an idiot, i think itll go something like this:

"theyre takin away muh free speech!"

uh no, they arent, you idiot(dont worry i will back up this claim with more than enough evidence in a little bit), you contacted them and they told you it probably wasnt a good idea, in so many words, which is obvious, what did you expect, the supreme court to condone ANY movie nevertheless a movie that suggests the president of the united states of america made a deal with satan?

"They're censoring the content of my movie," he said. "I can only state what the facts are. ... Draw your own conclusion."

ok, ill do that, i have concluded that you are an idiot and that, no, nobody is trying to censor anything here (parody is protected, after all, you know, you really should have already known this because you are a judge, and judges are expected to know stuff about stuff like laws) they are simply advising you that it wouldnt be a good idea, they are, after all, ADVISORS, that is kind of what they do

in conclusion to my conclusion: nobody would have cared if you never alerted the supreme court advisory committee (including them, especially them) hell, nobody would have heard about the movie, which is honestly probably why you pulled a stupid career (is it really a career if it didnt even last as long as conan o briens tonight show?) suicide stunt like this, you idiot you

sincerely,

me

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i should clean up the capitalization and apostrophes before i send it so i dont look like an idiot and negate my point entirelly
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2010, 07:08:24 AM
Quote from: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/rekers-paid-escort-75-a-day-for-luggage-massage-services.php?ref=fpb
Rekers Paid Escort $75 A Day For Luggage, Massage Services
Rachel Slajda | May 7, 2010, 5:54PM
   
George Rekers, a leader of the ex-gay movement who was caught recently employing a male escort, paid the escort $75 a day for his services during a 10-day trip to Europe, which included carrying luggage and daily one-hour massages, according to a contract obtained by CNN.

The escort, "Lucien," gave AC360 a copy of the contract, which also stipulated that Rekers would pay for his airfare. Lucien, which is not his real name, will appear on the show tonight.

Rekers is one of the co-founders of the Family Research Council and a board member at the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. He's also been paid as an expert witness for the states of Arkansas and Florida in their defense of bans on gay couples adopting children. Although he's admitted hiring Lucien, he says he didn't know he was a prostitute and, when he found out, only wanted to save him from his "sins."

He also says nothing sexual happened. Lucien, however, says the daily massages included something called "the long stroke," which included touching Rekers in rather sexual areas.

The contract also suggests Rekers had employed the escort before their trip.

He was to give the massages "using the same procedures ("Lucien") provided to George Rekers in Florida."

NARTH today released a statement on the scandal.

"NARTH takes seriously the accusations that have been made,and we are currently attempting to understand the details behind these press reports," the statement reads. "We are always saddened when this type of controversy impacts the lives of individuals, and we urge all parties to allow a respectful and thorough investigation to take place."

"We also wish to reiterate our traditional position that these personal controversies do not change the scientific data, nor do they detract from the important work of NARTH."

I got gypped
   /
:spitzer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2010, 07:51:09 AM
:megarolleyes

Just commenting on the the low low rate of $75/day. Please continue to be wrong about everything, it's a real ego booster to all of us.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
RE: Getting Jewed - Willco's long stroke was on the house :shh
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2010, 05:41:05 PM
Something something Thomas Jefferson RAPED HIS SLAVES something something.

Also, I stopped saying gypped a few years ago but I'm a bleeding heart PC nazi.  I don't think you get to play the "you are callously disrespecting the collective identity of an ethnic group!" card if you casually compare hypothetical service requirements to historical American slavery.  One or the other, it would seem to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2010, 12:38:59 AM
Tea Power Party Bitches

 :american



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/08/bob-bennett-utah-gop-senate_n_568988.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2010, 02:06:21 AM
They're also yelling at Palin because she endorsed someone who isn't 100% pure conservative. Closing of the hive mind :violin

[youtube=560,345]K_vkU0Aezvg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 09, 2010, 04:16:01 AM
That guy sounds sooooo gay. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2010, 04:28:34 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on May 09, 2010, 04:16:01 AM
That guy sounds sooooo gay. :lol

(http://i39.tinypic.com/24pklr4.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 09, 2010, 10:04:21 AM
So just how crazy are the guys that beat out Bennett anyway?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 09, 2010, 12:17:49 PM
Mamacint, I was confused about your avatar until I watch that Bill Maher spot last night.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2010, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2010, 02:06:21 AM
[youtube=560,345]K_vkU0Aezvg[/youtube]

Angry white people!

True American Patriots!!

 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2010, 12:44:35 PM
Bennett should give them the ultimate "fuck you" and vote with democrats a few times while he's a lame duck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 09, 2010, 01:46:24 PM
[youtube=560,345]r0lwusMxiHc[/youtube]

:lol

I propose that Arizona build a fence around its entire border, to keep it away from the rest of the union.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2010, 01:50:43 PM
Someone needs to put the CSI "yeaaahh" scream at the end of that :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 09, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
What does "one of us" mean? Is John McCain a reactionary xenophobe?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2010, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 09, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
What does "one of us" mean?

Not "that one"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2010, 02:02:30 PM
Maverick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 09, 2010, 07:52:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2010, 01:58:49 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on May 09, 2010, 01:56:07 PM
What does "one of us" mean?

Not "that one"

Nailed it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2010, 12:56:58 AM
Kagan for the SC. Drudge will have fun with her pics

Glenn Greenwald sure doesn't like her
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/08/kagan/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 10, 2010, 05:20:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2010, 05:07:42 PM
[youtube=560,345]yo7HiQRM7BA[/youtube]
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The best way to view California Senate Candidate Carly Fiorina's awesomely bizarre new primary campaign ad--which includes shots of an alien robot sheep, or something--is by pressing play on your cassette tape of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of The Moon just as you click play on YouTube.

The coolest part of the whole thing is that Fiorina is positing fiscal conservatives as sheep, which is a bit like Barack Obama running a spot that posits liberals as leeches or lizards. Also, is it weird that the ad never shows Fiorina's face? Is it better that voters know their candidates by the backs of their heads? More please, more.

ALSO: I must state the obvious: The odd genius of the ad is that it is so weird that you will click on it online, and bloggers like me will link to it. The message is delivered.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZxk_9GTHrs[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 10, 2010, 05:41:42 AM
OH MY GOD :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 10, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2010, 12:56:58 AM
Kagan for the SC. Drudge will have fun with her pics


She looks like David Mitchell in drag

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/lilyallen/images/celeb_davidmitchell.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 10, 2010, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: Eric P on May 10, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2010, 12:56:58 AM
Kagan for the SC. Drudge will have fun with her pics


She looks like David Mitchell in drag

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/lilyallen/images/celeb_davidmitchell.jpg)
"Life is all pain. Pain, rejection and gloom. Why do we even pretend that there's anything other than a yawning blankness at the heart of... Hey! 33% extra free! I'm doing excellent shopping."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 10, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37064821/ns/world_news-europe/


Now will Obama have the integrity to do the same come this fall!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2010, 12:47:59 PM
oh god she's a Mets fan  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2010, 04:54:40 PM
So is it a coincidence the RNC rolled out Steele to criticize Kagan for agreeing with Thurgood Marshall that the original constitution was flawed - you know, because it didn't consider black people as, well...people?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 10, 2010, 07:55:25 PM
Don't forget "activist judge who legislates from the bench".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2010, 07:57:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 10, 2010, 07:55:25 PM
Don't forget "activist judge who legislates from the bench".

LESBIAN activist judge who legislates from the bench.  I mean, it would be one thing if she were a lesbian into bondage, but APPARENTLY SHE'S NOT!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2010, 08:04:49 PM
I was listening to Michael Savage (lol) and he said she's a liberal crazy batshit woman  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2010, 11:11:38 PM
[youtube=560,345]X6MsGsNkFqI[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2010, 01:09:05 PM
"sounds like she was chief prostitute" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2010, 01:43:17 PM
Also, William Rehnquist had no "judicial experience" when he was nominated, and of course there's a long history of justices with no judicial experience. This is like the push to make the oil spill "Obama's Katrina," this time it being "Obama's Harriet Miers."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2010, 02:23:45 PM
solicitor general/clerk for THURGOOD MASHALL/dean of a premier law school is the new community organizer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 11, 2010, 03:09:20 PM
The worst thing is I think Obama could have made a much more solid, liberal pick than Kagan (Greenwald, Scott Lemieux, and Dahlia Lithwick don't like her), but I'm going to wind up defending her because the criticism from the right is going to be just as misguided and batshit as it always is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 11, 2010, 04:07:10 PM
so basically, we libtards can't hate on kagan because we'd be helping the insane in their ludicrous agenda? fuck that. i want a straight-up marxist on the court. better yet, i want hopey to cold nominate richard dawkins just to make heads asplode.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2010, 05:16:10 PM
Obama will probably get another SC pick in his term, I wonder if he'll appoint a liberal then
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 11, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2010, 05:16:10 PM
Obama will probably get another SC pick in his term, I wonder if he'll appoint a liberal then

if he were going to, i think he would have already
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 11, 2010, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Eric P on May 11, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2010, 05:16:10 PM
Obama will probably get another SC pick in his term, I wonder if he'll appoint a liberal then

if he were going to, i think he would have already

Pretty much.  Sotomayor was pretty indicative of what Obama wants in a SC Justice- middle of the road on most things.  A shame, really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2010, 03:04:45 AM
Seems like some people are excited about the senate unanimously voting to "audit" the fed, something Ron Paul, Alan Grayson, and others have been saying for some time. But...it only applies to the 2 trillion dollars used within the last couple years to address the financial meltdown. Obama would have vetoed his own bill if a real open and through audit was included in the bill, so this quick turn around in support should  really tell people this is a toothless affair.

I hate to go all  :hans1 but jeez
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2010, 03:15:32 AM
Ma man, Cenk Uygur knows the score:

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I have no idea what kind of Justice Elena Kagan is going to be, and almost no one else does either. She might be a terrific progressive or she might move the Court to the right, as some fear. My problem with her isn't her stated positions, as she doesn't have very many.

My problem with her is my problem with Obama. Cheney and Bush moved the ball 80 yards down-field, whether that was on executive power, warrantless wiretapping, pre-emptive wars or just about any other issue you can think of. And Obama's bold and brilliant response is to move the ball 10 yards in the opposite direction. Not good enough. Not remotely good enough.

His every action drips of conciliation, compromise, gradualism and incrementalism. The conservatives take miles of ideologically territory and convert it into the status quo. Then Obama brags about converting inches back. This isn't change we can believe in. This is pocket change.

So, when conservatives yelled at him about trying Gitmo detainees in civilian courts, his instinct was to back down. When they yelled at him for giving detainees Miranda rights, he is now on the verge of backing down. When they yelled at him about foreign wars, he escalated them. When they yelled at him about the $50 billion "bailout" fund in the financial reform bill, he asked to take it out. When they yelled at him about offshore oil drilling, he gave them more. How did that turn out?

Did you know that after Joe Wilson yelled out "You lie!" on the issue of how immigrants would be treated in the healthcare bill, they quietly gave into him and changed that provision? Is there anything that this guy can't get bullied on? Well, of course, there is. Everything from the left.

So, that brings us to Elena Kagan. Bush picked arguably the two most conservative judges in the country to fill his Supreme Court vacancies. He easily shoved it down the throat of the Democrats. What has been Obama's response - let me pick a centrist!

He can't help himself. He loves establishment players. Look at nearly all of his appointments. Rahm Emanuel, Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke. These are the pillars of the establishment. What kind of change is this? He nominated for the head of the Fed the same exact guy who helped destroy our economy for George W. Bush. He can't help himself. He is a politician through and through, and he desperately wants the approval of those around him. And those around him now are the power players in Washington.

So, we get the blank slate of Elena Kagan, with almost no record to speak of, except her affinity for executive power. Joy. Could she turn into a lion of progressivism? Sure. But why do we have to hope against hope on that? Why can't we get a progressive Justice if we elected a progressive president? Because the ugly truth is that we didn't elect a progressive president.

Obama (and Rahm Emanuel) are going to love it if progressives attack Kagan. They will brandish that as a signal that they are soooo centrist. They will crow to their Washington reporter friends that they are being attacked from the left and brag about how much credibility that gives them. And when they win this nomination (non)fight, they will declare victory again, as if they accomplished some major objective. No one loves beating up progressives and winning easy battles in DC more than this administration.

My guess is that at some future date this article will be misinterpreted to say that I argued against Elena Kagan. Except for executive power (where I am as progressive as anyone in the country), I am a judicial moderate. Kagan might wind up being exactly my kind of justice. And so far, Sonia Sotomayor has been great - and Obama picked her (which some will argue is evidence to "trust" him again). My point isn't that Kagan is terrible or can't do the job. My point isn't that Obama secretly wants to pick a conservative (or a progressive, as his defenders would claim). My point is that Obama has no intention of burning up political capital (according to his perception) by publicly standing up and fighting for for his own so-called side and will defer to the center or right-wing given any opportunity to do so. And this is another example of that.

Elena Kagan - safe, no record, never challenged power in any meaningful way, never stood up for progressive ideology, beloved by the establishment in Washington - the perfect Obama candidate. I'm tired of it. The ball is down against our own goal line and the guy thinks he just scored a touchdown.

He is never going to throw the ball down the field. If you like two yard pick-ups by a running-back going straight up the middle, you'll love Obama. It's the Eddie George presidency. What he doesn't seem to get is that the other side is eventually going to get the ball back and then it won't seem like a major accomplishment that we went from our own two-yard line to our own twelve-yard line. It'll be viewed as a tremendous disappointment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 12, 2010, 03:30:20 AM
Pretty much.  Obama sucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2010, 03:36:20 AM
Good point on him constantly backing down on issues big and small. I've been in numerous arguments with friends, defending Obama/legislation only to be undercut by the type of caving that suggests the other side is right.

"the bill doesn't offer health care to illegal aliens"
"well why did democrats just revise the bill? :smug"

"the bill is not a fucking bailout"
"well why did they just yank that 50b huh :smug"

"how can you have a constitutional fetish but act like Miranda rights are irrelevant?"
"oh yea, well how come even Obama disagrees with you? :smug"


If this was an episode of Lost, these various caves would be spliced with flashbacks of Obama trying to get his father's attention.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2010, 05:10:58 AM
Most disappointing socialist dictator ever.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 12, 2010, 06:19:26 AM
Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies


PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

Brewer's signature on the bill Tuesday comes less than a month after she signed the nation's toughest crackdown on illegal immigration — a move that ignited international backlash amid charges the measure would encourage racial profiling of Hispanics. The governor has said profiling will not be tolerated.

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

The Tucson Unified School District program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group.

For example, in the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors.

Horne, a Republican running for attorney general, said the program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race. He's been trying to restrict it ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta told students in 2006 that "Republicans hate Latinos."

District officials said the program doesn't promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment.

About 1,500 students at six high schools are enrolled in the Tucson district's program. Elementary and middle school students also are exposed to the ethnic studies curriculum. The district is 56 percent Hispanic, with nearly 31,000 Latino students.

Sean Arce, director of the district's Mexican-American Studies program, said last month that students perform better in school if they see in the curriculum people who look like them.

"It's a highly engaging program that we have, and it's unfortunate that the state Legislature would go so far as to censor these classes," he said.

Six UN human rights experts released a statement earlier Tuesday saying all people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage, they said.

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman didn't directly address the UN criticism, but said Brewer supports the bill's goal.

"The governor believes ... public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people," Senseman said.

Arce could not immediately be reached after Brewer signed the bill late Tuesday.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 12, 2010, 06:29:00 AM
All k-12 history classes are basically a joke, full of biases and white-washing.  at least let them choose to hear biases that support their own race.

It's a common joke among college history professors to call the intro level history courses iconoclasm 101 because often students have no knowledge of history that they didn't get out of a Texas-Cali approved textbook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2010, 10:02:14 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/tampa-to-host-2012-republ_13848414967.html

 :yuck

I hate my town.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2010, 10:28:06 AM
I'd go make a sign that says, "Support institutional sabotage. Vote Republican!" and stand outside there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2010, 12:57:25 PM
Conservatives/republicans have been targeting ethnic studies for years, and look at them with disdain. I've taken a few African American studies...it's nothing revolutionary. Anyone who complains about "white bashing" doesn't know (or doesn't care) about actual history. Seems like the point of this history revision is to highlight a republican freeing the slaves, ignore post-reconstruction oppression, then breeze through civil rights while praising MLK and demonizing just about everyone else who got more fed up/loud. And even that seems kinda new because when I was homeschooled all my Christian history books said MLK fought the good fight until he started criticizing Vietnam and showing sympathy for communism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2010, 01:40:30 PM
What these people want is a history book that says the US is completely awesome. America never did anything wrong. And the rest of the world is inferior.

Unless the history book stands by those principles at all times then its clearly a biased piece of liberal work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2010, 02:17:14 PM
Slavery doesn't fit their purpose...well unless they use it as a comparison to the way Obama/gov is treating tax paying Amuricans today
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2010, 02:28:47 PM
Not that I've heard of. It's NRA propaganda designed to scare people into buying more shit.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123984046627223159.html

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Many gun dealers are fanning the fear on the Internet and in other advertising that President Obama will try to restrict the Second Amendment right to bear arms -- despite signs that major changes in federal weapons regulations are unlikely. The White House says there are no imminent plans to reinstate the federal assault-weapons ban. "The president supports the Second Amendment and respects the tradition of gun ownership in this country," a White House spokesman said.

Restoring the ban on assault weapons has limited support in Congress, even among Democrats. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have signaled reluctance in recent weeks to renewing the ban.

FUD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 12, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
Prices of ammunition have also gone up.  Most shops around here will tell you it's because Obama is getting ready to levy a new tax on ammunition or ban it altogether.  But lots of manufacturers have just said that prices of materials have gone up

Prices on used guns have begun skyrocketing too.  I walk into gun shops here and hear dumbasses always talking about "You better get it before Obama makes it illegal."  "You want that AR 15?  Get it now because in 6 months you won't be able to." 

It's fucking embarrassing to love guns :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2010, 02:32:04 PM
He hasn't said anything about guns. Makes for a great way to sell guns/ammunition though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 12, 2010, 02:43:35 PM
It's the same dumb shit anytime a Democrat gets into office on the national level.

"He's going to take away my guns!"

Actually I'm all for more gun control but Democrats on the national level abandoned these ideas along time ago as vote losers. Same as they abandoned the idea of reducing defense spending.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 12, 2010, 02:44:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2010, 02:17:14 PM
Slavery doesn't fit their purpose...well unless they use it as a comparison to the way Obama/gov is treating tax paying Amuricans today

as john lennon said "the tax payer is the distinguished black fellow of the world"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 12, 2010, 02:53:15 PM
I will be pissed if they take my guns away  :maf

But I don't believe Obama or anyone in my lifetime will do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 12, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Quick question for folks who follow politics a lot more closely than I do: Has Obama introduced any gun control legislation or discussed introducing any?

He did just the exact opposite. Well, he didn't introduce any legislation, but he signed into law two bills that allows people to carry guns on National Parks and Amtrak. The NRA however, is making a killing with their fear mongering, so it's not like they'll be acknowledging such things any time soon.

Amusingly enough, Obama's probably the only president I can think of that's gotten an "F" grade from both the NRA and the Brady Association. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 12, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
I just don't understand.  I mean, don't they realize black people love guns??  Tupac??  Biggie?!  All the classic hood movies!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2010, 05:10:25 PM
I guess Obama's not a real black like Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2010, 06:58:25 PM
Quote from: Rob Thomas on May 12, 2010, 02:53:15 PM
I will be pissed if they take my guns away  :maf

But I don't believe Obama or anyone in my lifetime will do it.

Both my roommates are completely and utterly confident that Obama will do that at some point in time. Sure, he hasn't even brought up the issue and has eased regulations in fact, but they JUST KNOW that wascally socialist has these fiendish thoughts in his mind.



In other news, this is pretty awesome. Roger Ebert tweeted this on Cinco de Mayo:

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Kids who wear American Flag t-shirts on 5 May should have to share a lunchroom table with those who wear a hammer and sickle on 4 July.

Which didn't sit well with the teabaggers:

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“I mean honestly. How many pieces need to fall off @ebertchicago before he gets the hint to shut the (expletive) up” and “You know, @ebertchicago, I’m not as expert on flag etiquette as you. Tell me, which do I fly when you die of cancer?”

Which led to Ebert responding:

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    The impression is spreading that I have drawn an equation between the American flag and the hammer and the sickle. I'm currently serving for target practice on some right-wing websites, and a group of Tweeters are having jolly fun portraying me as an America hater and worse.[..]

    [My post] was tweeted at the height of the discussion over five white California kids who wore matching t-shirts to school on Cinco de Mayo, and were sent home by their school. This inspired predictable outrage in the usual circles.
    Tweeted from lonestarag05: Its the USA not Mexico. They are allowed to be proud of their country. I wonder sometimes why you even stay here.

    Many others informed me that Americans have the right to be proud of our flag, and wear it on T-shirts. Of course they do. That isn't the question. It's not what my Tweet said. What I suggested, in its 108 letters, is that we could all use a little empathy. I wish I had worded it better.

    Let's begin with a fact few Americans know: Celebrating Cinco de Mayo is an American custom. The first such celebration was held in California in 1863, and they have continued without interruption. In Mexico itself it is not observed, except in the state of Puebla--the site of Mexico's underdog victory over the French on May 5, 1862.

    Cinco de Mayo's purpose is to celebrate Mexican-American culture in the United States. We are a nation of immigrants, and have many such observances, for example St. Patrick's Day parades, which began in Boston in 1737 and not in Ireland until 1931. Or Pulaski Day, officially established in Illinois in 1977, and not observed in Poland. The first Chinese New Year's parade was held in San Francisco in the 1860s, and such parades began only later in China. In Chicago this August we will have the 81st annual Bud Billiken Parade, one of the largest parades in America, celebrating the African-American heritage.[..]

    The question is obviously not whether Americans, or anyone else, has the right to wear our flag on their t-shirts. But empathetic people realize much depends on context. If, on Cinco de Mayo, you turn up at your school with a large Mexican-American student population wearing such shirts, are you (1) joining in the spirit of the holiday, or (2) looking for trouble?

    I suggest you intend to insult your fellow students. Not because they do not respect THEIR flag, but because you do not respect their heritage. That there are five of you in matching shirts demonstrates you want to be deliberately provocative.

Pinko commie liberal AND hated A Clockwork Orange.

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 12, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
Ebert annihilated everyone. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 12, 2010, 08:05:42 PM
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Pinko commie liberal...


:hyper

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...AND hated A Clockwork Orange.

........ >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 12, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
And no wearing a rainbow colored shirt on Heterosexual Pride Day (March 14th), either!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2010, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 12, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Quick question for folks who follow politics a lot more closely than I do: Has Obama introduced any gun control legislation or discussed introducing any?

Hasn't introduced any yet, isn't considering it now, and won't in the future.

On the topic of constructing one's alternate realities, here's a couple (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/09/false-witnesses.html) of very thoughtful posts (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/10/false-witnesses-2.html) on the subject by an ex-evangelical, with the taking-off point being the (apparently popular) conspiracy theory that Proctor and Gamble is run by Satanists.

Though really, the whole phenomenon could be summed up by my favorite blog comment (http://aaronovitch.blogspot.com/2010/03/blair-on-iran.html#3850204084820995844) ever: "It's the main lesson of the Internet age, that something that's untrue is much harder to challenge than something that's true. The most obvious reason being that because it's untrue, people are, necessarily, believing it because they want to."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 13, 2010, 01:24:43 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2010, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 12, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Quick question for folks who follow politics a lot more closely than I do: Has Obama introduced any gun control legislation or discussed introducing any?

Hasn't introduced any yet, isn't considering it now, and won't in the future.

On the topic of constructing one's alternate realities, here's a couple (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/09/false-witnesses.html) of very thoughtful posts (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/10/false-witnesses-2.html) on the subject by an ex-evangelical, with the taking-off point being the (apparently popular) conspiracy theory that Proctor and Gamble is run by Satanists.

Though really, the whole phenomenon could be summed up by my favorite blog comment (http://aaronovitch.blogspot.com/2010/03/blair-on-iran.html#3850204084820995844) ever: "It's the main lesson of the Internet age, that something that's untrue is much harder to challenge than something that's true. The most obvious reason being that because it's untrue, people are, necessarily, believing it because they want to."

good posts, there. they really reaffirm my argument to my librul pals that the whole tea party amalgam is NOT *really* about racism, or libertarianism, or government: it is about LOOKING DOWN ON SOMEONE ELSE and that particularly american breed of self-righteousness.
Title: In which I continue to spam links.
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2010, 01:59:06 AM
You oughta get a kick out of this (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=565866) too, if you haven't seen it already.  And here (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2010/04/empathy-and-epistemic-closure.html) is a bit by Slacktivist on empathy and ignorance.

If you can get past how depressing the political scene is in this country, it's really interesting as a case study in human folly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 13, 2010, 02:14:10 AM
I doubt any president would care to bring serious gun control (beyond automatic weapons) if there wasn't something like a presidential assassination to ignite the debate.

Most people are probably more in favor of increased spending on police forces than decreasing say, the number of handguns.

We just don't live in a society where people can instinctively understand the danger of a small, concealable, and disposable gun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 13, 2010, 05:00:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2010, 01:11:16 AM
Though really, the whole phenomenon could be summed up by my favorite blog comment (http://aaronovitch.blogspot.com/2010/03/blair-on-iran.html#3850204084820995844) ever: "It's the main lesson of the Internet age, that something that's untrue is much harder to challenge than something that's true. The most obvious reason being that because it's untrue, people are, necessarily, believing it because they want to."

reality annihilated  :'(



The extent to which modern conservatism has become a post-modern movement divorced from any sense of rational empirical thought never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 13, 2010, 06:41:10 AM
You guys realize that almost nobody in Mexico actually cares about May 5th. It's almost exclusively an american phenomenon.


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In other news, this is pretty awesome. Roger Ebert tweeted this on Cinco de Mayo:

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Kids who wear American Flag t-shirts on 5 May should have to share a lunchroom table with those who wear a hammer and sickle on 4 July.

Yeah, totally the same thing.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 13, 2010, 08:08:08 AM
Wow, Beardo, it's like you ignored everything Ebert wrote. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 13, 2010, 09:52:35 AM
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m61/mamacint/seagull.jpg)  :lol

Beardo  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 13, 2010, 10:07:00 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: In which I continue to spam links.
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2010, 01:59:06 AM
You oughta get a kick out of this (http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=565866) too, if you haven't seen it already.  And here (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2010/04/empathy-and-epistemic-closure.html) is a bit by Slacktivist on empathy and ignorance.

If you can get past how depressing the political scene is in this country, it's really interesting as a case study in human folly.
I enjoyed that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2010, 01:11:25 PM
I seriously need to stop going to Andrew Sullivan's site

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But I'm guessing. We're all guessing. None of us has a clue - including those who say they are close to her. There are so many things we don't know about this person about to get enormous power over us for life. Which is why I have so far found this nomination so disturbing.

::)

IS SHE A SEKRET MUSLIM KENYAN LESBIAN?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2010, 01:33:47 PM
Not to mention his gross over-exaggeration of the Supreme Court's "enormous power over us."  Shut up, the majority of this country can't even name three justices, not to mention landmark and influential decisions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2010, 01:34:57 PM
Andrew Sullivan has simply moved from one group think on the right to another version of it on the left. I've never liked that dude.

What's been interesting as someone who supported someone else in the democratic primaries other than Obama (although I always liked Obama and still do) has been watching a certain brand of liberal move from unrealistic idealism to slightly annoying hyper sensitive prat.

Another observation I have is that whether its the left or the right, the main problem the base always has with their president is that the reason things aren't working out as they expected is because he isn't as liberal as he needs to be or in the case of George W not as conservative as he needs to be. It's always analysis based around the concept that a president needs to listen to them more and if he only did that then everything would be perfect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 01:39:58 PM
So dem leadership is holding off on gutting Lincoln's tough derivative amendment until after her primary, so she can continue pretending to be a populist. 
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/sources-dems-seek-to-protect-lincoln-by-delaying-action-on-wall-street-reform.php?ref=fpa

I hope to go she loses. Even if Halter ultimately loses in November (it's not like Lincoln is going to win then anyway).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 13, 2010, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2010, 01:34:57 PM
Another observation I have is that whether its the left or the right, the main problem the base always has with their president is that the reason things aren't working out as they expected is because he isn't as liberal as he needs to be or in the case of George W not as conservative as he needs to be. It's always analysis based around the concept that a president needs to listen to them more and if he only did that then everything would be perfect.

Perhaps, but it's hard to look at the administrations attempts to acheive some non-existent middle ground as nothing but disastrous.

This isn't from someone asking for any ideological purity from them, I just want them to get shit done. Having them and others continually see bipartisanship as not a means to an end but an end itself is a constant source of frustration. They're constantly kneecapping themselves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 13, 2010, 02:19:36 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 13, 2010, 02:07:23 PM
Perhaps, but it's hard to look at the administrations attempts to acheive some non-existent middle ground as nothing but disastrous.

This isn't from someone asking for any ideological purity from them, I just want them to get shit done. Having them and others continually see bipartisanship as not a means to an end but an end itself is a constant source of frustration. They're constantly kneecapping themselves.

I don't necessarily disagree. And I don't necessarily want to re-argue old battles from the primary days but that's also part of the package I believe when you run with a lot of the rhetoric that Obama ran and won with.

What I'm suggesting is that maybe some of this was foreseeable and if Democrats wanted something else then perhaps they should have nominated something else. (I want to make this clear this isn't me trying to rehash old Hillary versus Obama or any other democratic battles. Just making an observation.) At least on this level Republicans are more realistic and sensible to me than the average liberal is because they always know what they are getting in a president but liberals seem to be constantly surprised or disappointed on this front.

Of course it doesn't help when the other party is completely obstructionist on a historic level. I've had a very interesting relationship with Obama. I was never as idealistic ( I would actually term it unrealistic) about Obama as many other dems were before he was elected and now I'm neither as pessimistic about him as a lot of Dems are I sense. But perhaps that's just because I'm more cynical about what is actually accomplishable through politics and a president in general than most people.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 02:33:32 PM
As a former Hillary supporter I guess I could pull the "I told you so" card right about now :smug

On a serious note though, bipartisanship can be a good thing. It's not a good thing when it becomes a vapid media construct/barometer of success. Republicans are obstructing government at an all time high yet have successfully framed every legislative battle as Obama not talking to them, not believing they have ideas, etc. Sometimes it's justified I guess; Reid didn't show the jobs bill to republicans iirc. Then there are cases like the financial regulation bill, which Dodd made bipartisan by pairing up democrats and republicans to work on specific aspects of the bill. Or health care where many of the most popular parts of the bill actually are republican ideas. Yet both bills were labeled as partisan, thousand page rams jammed down the throat of the American people.

You can't compromise with people who's sole intention is to see you fail. While I understand every bill will need at least one republican to pass, knee capping your bills to do so isn't the way to go. Republicans have basically driven the political narrative of all these battles, and it starts with complaints about bipartisanship. Then democrats cave on an issue to gain support, only to be rebuffed again. Before you know it, the entire process has been compromised just to get something done, or to get the media on your side. It hasn't worked at all.

It seems like the financial regulation bill is moving further to the left, but who knows how long that will last; in the link a few posts up, I get the feeling things will go to shit sooner rather than later. It's clear republicans don't respect Obama/the administration and feel they can play this game until November. I remember thinking things would be different after the stimulus fight, then after the health care fight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2010, 06:09:13 PM
The problem with Obama isn't necessarily his attempts at reaching out to republicans -it's actually good politics imo -, but rather his constantly infuriating desire to cave in to republican demands before even showing up at the table.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 13, 2010, 06:30:48 PM
I was always saying it..

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Biden 2008
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]kSyOEnerVQc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

Did mornin joe ever respond to hannitys fake conservative slam?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 13, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 13, 2010, 01:33:47 PM
Not to mention his gross over-exaggeration of the Supreme Court's "enormous power over us."  Shut up, the majority of this country can't even name three justices, not to mention landmark and influential decisions.

Palin sure can't LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 14, 2010, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 13, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 13, 2010, 01:33:47 PM
Not to mention his gross over-exaggeration of the Supreme Court's "enormous power over us."  Shut up, the majority of this country can't even name three justices, not to mention landmark and influential decisions.

Palin sure can't LOL

i think she can name 3 conservative linchpin cases.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 14, 2010, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]kSyOEnerVQc[/youtube]

Jesus fuckin Christ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 14, 2010, 12:48:50 AM
Quote from: Eric P on May 14, 2010, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 13, 2010, 11:14:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 13, 2010, 01:33:47 PM
Not to mention his gross over-exaggeration of the Supreme Court's "enormous power over us."  Shut up, the majority of this country can't even name three justices, not to mention landmark and influential decisions.

Palin sure can't LOL

i think she can name 3 conservative linchpin cases.

She couldn't name one for Couric.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2010, 01:47:01 AM
(http://i44.tinypic.com/zjux4z.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 14, 2010, 08:23:46 AM
i tried to read that book but holy fucking shit, it is the MOST CONDESCENDING "HUR HUR GET OFF MY LAWN" bullshit i think i've been exposed to outside of Andy Rooney.  I agree with what is said to a point but the tone, good lord the tone of the piece is just so arrogant and smug that it is cringeworthy.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: huckleberry on May 14, 2010, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 14, 2010, 12:20:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]kSyOEnerVQc[/youtube]

Jesus fuckin Christ

We is using code names.

Goddam at least go after her for being a lib or something.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2010, 10:43:46 AM
Quote from: Eric P on May 14, 2010, 08:23:46 AM
i tried to read that book but holy fucking shit, it is the MOST CONDESCENDING "HUR HUR GET OFF MY LAWN" bullshit i think i've been exposed to outside of Andy Rooney.  I agree with what is said to a point but the tone, good lord the tone of the piece is just so arrogant and smug that it is cringeworthy.





I hate you!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 14, 2010, 10:58:29 AM
Everyone that plays softball is a raging homo :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
Both my daughters are playing softball. I'm an enabler to their future gay lives.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 14, 2010, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on May 14, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Sarah Palin is so unspeakably beautiful.. omg. :uguu

But anyway

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/14/palin-hits-campaign-trail-for-anti-abortion-group

Why are anti-abortion people so 'pro-life' when it comes to abortions, but so pro-death when it comes anything else? See: war in iraq. The anti-abortion folk are also very anti-condoms, anti-birth control pill, anti anything that could prevent pregnancy. Which made me think, and I thought about it a while ago too, that anti-abortion activists are people who aren't pro-life, but pro-pregnancy. I conjecture that the train of thought is that abortion isn't bad because it kills, but because it interrupts pregnancy.

Don't do it.

We are dangerously close to having a very boring abortion discussion if certain things happen...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2010, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 14, 2010, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 14, 2010, 01:05:12 PM
Both my daughters are playing softball. I'm an enabler to their future gay lives.  :-\
They'll be happier this way.
I want a couple of grandchildren first, then they can do whatever they want.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 15, 2010, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 14, 2010, 01:26:29 PM
I want a couple of grandchildren first, then they can do whatever they want.
The thing is that they would be more likely to have kids if they were lesbians. Hetrosexual women these days /old man
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 17, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
[youtube=560,345]eMUVFctJ2Xw[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2010, 12:03:15 PM
I was just going to post that  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on May 17, 2010, 12:26:48 PM
Kinda want to call up FreedomWorks right now. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 17, 2010, 12:34:32 PM
:rofl

sooo good
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2010, 02:07:47 PM
[youtube=560,345]jU7fhIO7DG0[/youtube]
"change ur facebook status grace"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2010, 02:47:28 PM
Outrage is bubbling up through the usual channels about Miss USA's ties to Hamas and Hezbollah.  No, I am not kidding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
Saw that earlier today. Debbie Schlussel is hilarious. At least Malkin can whip up some links that don't direct you previous posts on her site.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 17, 2010, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2010, 02:47:28 PM
Outrage is bubbling up through the usual channels about Miss USA's ties to Hamas and Hezbollah.  No, I am not kidding.

up next Miss REAL U.S.A.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2010, 03:13:09 PM
Can a minority win anything without conservatives questioning the validity of the process, ir why is the system keeping the white man down.
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"I'm a huge believer in states' rights. I think that's what's so wonderful about America," Woolard answered of the law which requires state police to stop and question possible undocumented immigrants. "So I think it's perfectly fine for Arizona to create that law."

Woolard added that she is against racial profiling

"Looks like the Miss USA pageant didn't want to risk the wrath of the open-borders mob," wrote conservative blogger Michelle Malkin.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/05/17/2010-05-17_miss_usa_runner_up_miss_oklahoma_morgan_elizabeth_woolard_doomed_by_arizona_immi.html#ixzz0oDQ1e0sA

[youtube=560,345]DadWzASo_So[/youtube]
"I'm against illegal immigration but I'm against racial profiling as well." Sensible position many conservatives couldn't take. Too bad about the states rights nonsense

The arab chick is way hotter anyway
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2010, 03:15:44 PM
also
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/neocon-pundit-whats-with-all-these-muslims-winning-beauty-pageants.php?ref=fpb

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 17, 2010, 04:36:48 PM
So I can rub this in my white and pro-hijab friends' faces?

Awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 17, 2010, 05:43:44 PM
Persian women should win more beauty pagents.  :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on May 17, 2010, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 17, 2010, 05:43:44 PM
Persian women should win more beauty pagents.  :heartbeat

I always knew Beardo was a closet liberal, commie, atheist, terrorist sympathizer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 17, 2010, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 17, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
[youtube=560,345]eMUVFctJ2Xw[/youtube]

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: brawndolicious on May 17, 2010, 06:30:24 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 17, 2010, 05:43:44 PM
Persian women should win more beauty pagents.  :heartbeat
She's lebanese.  Basically arab.  Hardcore purrrsians would be insulted by what you said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: brawndolicious on May 17, 2010, 06:38:25 PM
There's a lot of discrimination based on citizenship but not a lot of racism.  Like Arizona.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2010, 06:42:13 PM
Slutty McSlutSlut joined 1,000,000+ Strong for Stopping Barack Hussein in 2012

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 17, 2010, 07:51:08 PM
Only need 55 million more. :smug

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And they would still lose. :shh
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2010, 01:03:22 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_DJwjkU8cI&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]

Lulz. This dude was having an affair with the women in the video. Of course he is one of those Pro Family Against Gay marriage because it erodes our traditional values dudes.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/gop_rep_flashback_i_am_committed_to_preserving_tra.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2010, 05:01:44 PM
[youtube=560,345]b9tOyrmyWkE[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 18, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
Could someone change the topic?  It's become increasingly obvious that "New Era American Politics" smell a lot like old era American politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2010, 08:35:52 PM
Couple of primaries tonight.

Only news so far is Rand Paul son of you know who won.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2010, 08:38:52 PM
lulz. I just noticed that affair dude's video I posted earlier was pulled from youtube since I posted it.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 18, 2010, 08:47:11 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2010, 08:35:52 PM
Couple of primaries tonight.

Only news so far is Rand Paul son of you know who won.

Kentucky had a good run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 18, 2010, 09:46:58 PM
Apparently Specter is in trouble.

http://twitter.com/Dave_Wasserman/status/14264311261


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#PASEN running down the list county-by-county, it's becoming clearer and clearer Specter has no hope of pulling this out
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 18, 2010, 10:00:12 PM
:piss "New Era in American politics"



Can't wait till november and then 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2010, 12:15:59 AM
I like how the Bore has demoralized all the GOP posters to the point where they're reduced to popping in now and again to reiterate that they're still Republican, and they still hates the tricksy Obama for stealing their precious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 19, 2010, 12:17:50 AM
Arlen Specter owned.  Blanche Lincoln forced into a runoff election with Bill Halter.

Please win, Bill Halter! Bangalore needs many many jobs!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2010, 01:53:46 AM
Kinda feel bad for Specter, even though I wanted him to lose. Very happy about Arkansas. TPM sez Lincoln looked shocked during her speech after the results were in. Can't wait to see.

also
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It is quite an understatement to say that I am not Rand Paul's target audience. Still, I couldn't help notice something about his brief acceptance speech and I'm curious to hear whether any of you had a similar take. I don't think I'd ever seen Paul speak at any length. Or if I did I don't have a clear recollection of it. And he came off to me as arrogant, bellicose and even a little messianic in his demeanor. To put it baldly, he sounded like a jerk.

When I watched it on replay later it didn't sound quite as jarring to me. But maybe that's because my impression from the first viewing was so negative that a second look couldn't live up to my first impression. (see some video highlights here.)

In any case, that's actually quite different from his father. I find Ron Paul's politics awful and he's a classic ideologue. But as a person he comes off as pretty humble and even unassuming, which I've always thought is the reason he manages to have a certain degree of crossover popularity despite his draconian and often ugly politics.

Now does any of that matter? Not necessarily, I guess. And when I mentioned this in the newsroom this evening a couple members of our team pointed out, rightly, that that sort of attitude is part and parcel of the Tea Party movement and really any anti-establishment movement for that matter. But even in a conservative state like Kentucky some measure of pivoting is necessary in a general election. And I wondered after seeing Paul whether he's constitutionally capable of it.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/05/rand_paul.php?ref=fpblg

He looks like Carcetti from The Wire to me. But with no personality, based on that video clip
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 07:38:31 AM
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and he came off to me as arrogant, bellicose and even a little messianic in his demeanor.

obama?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 19, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
Paul will win in Novermber...there is no doubt.  Jack Conway just looks too clean cut for Kentuckians.  Saw on the news last night that Paul won with a 2 to 1 margin over Trey Greyson in Northern Ky. - home to the batshit insane Jim Bunning.  Aparently they think that Bunning was ousted by the Republicans  for no good reason and voted for Paul en masse.

If you ever saw Jan interview with Jim Bunning and thought he wasn't fucking crazy as a shithouse rat then something is terribly wrong with you.

...either way, Paul will be the next Senator from Ky. and it cannot be worse than what we had before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 07:44:45 AM
Did you vote?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 19, 2010, 07:49:46 AM
Of course I did.  A friend of mine has a good chance of becoming mayor of Lexington in November.

It will be my last vote cast in this state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 19, 2010, 09:47:17 AM
So is it safe to say that KY is going back to the gold standard? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 19, 2010, 10:10:16 AM
Typical liberal media circle jerking over rand paul with no mention of the Democrats taking the special election for the late John Murtha's seat. An election that actually matters and not some silly primary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 19, 2010, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 19, 2010, 09:47:17 AM
So is it safe to say that KY is going back to the gold standard? :smug

This state is too poor to use the gold standard.  :'(

It is truly like a medieval fiefdom. 

Keep loving those horses, basketball, and stupid politicians Kentucky!! Never change.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2010, 12:37:38 PM
Seems like he's kept quiet about it, while pandering to tea partiers on immigration in general
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2010/05/19/rand-paul-panders-to-immigration-fears/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2010, 02:58:27 PM
Ron Paul 2008 Texas campaign mailer:

(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/6020/ronpaulshirtlessmexican.jpg)


Ron Paul 2008 New Hampshire campaign mailer:
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Ron Paul 2006 opinion piece (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul349.html) on the NAFTA Superhighway:

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By now many Texans have heard about the proposed “NAFTA Superhighway,” which is also referred to as the trans-Texas corridor. What you may not know is the extent to which plans for such a superhighway are moving forward without congressional oversight or media attention.

This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside.

This will require coordinated federal and state eminent domain actions on an unprecedented scale, as literally millions of people and businesses could be displaced. The loss of whole communities is almost certain, as planners cannot wind the highway around every quaint town, historic building, or senior citizen apartment for thousands of miles.

Governor Perry is a supporter of the superhighway project, and Congress has provided small amounts of money to study the proposal. Since this money was just one item in an enormous transportation appropriations bill, however, most members of Congress were not aware of it.

The proposed highway is part of a broader plan advanced by a quasi-government organization called the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” or SPP.

The SPP was first launched in 2005 by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco.

The SPP was not created by a treaty between the nations involved, nor was Congress involved in any way. Instead, the SPP is an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several governments. One principal player is a Spanish construction company, which plans to build the highway and operate it as a toll road. But don’t be fooled: the superhighway proposal is not the result of free market demand, but rather an extension of government-managed trade schemes like NAFTA that benefit politically-connected interests.

The real issue is national sovereignty. Once again, decisions that affect millions of Americans are not being made by those Americans themselves, or even by their elected representatives in Congress. Instead, a handful of elites use their government connections to bypass national legislatures and ignore our Constitution – which expressly grants Congress the sole authority to regulate international trade.

The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated North American Union – complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether.

A new resolution, introduced by Representative Virgil Goode of Virginia, expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway, or enter into any agreement that advances the concept of a North American Union. I wholeheartedly support this legislation, and predict that the superhighway will become a sleeper issue in the 2008 election.

Any movement toward a North American Union diminishes the ability of average Americans to influence the laws under which they must live. The SPP agreement, including the plan for a major transnational superhighway through Texas, is moving forward without congressional oversight – and that is an outrage. The administration needs a strong message from Congress that the American people will not tolerate backroom deals that threaten our sovereignty.
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You know that birthright citizenship that Paul wants to abolish?  It's in the Constitution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 19, 2010, 03:08:40 PM
How are illegal immigrants collecting social security? They use actual citizen's social security numbers or phony numbers altogether! That makes no sense. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 19, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
Maybe they don't know what social security means?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2010, 04:47:25 PM
[youtube=560,345]FO4nj87gYHU[/youtube]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-sharry/first-lady-michelle-obama_b_582168.html
wut

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 19, 2010, 04:56:49 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2010, 04:47:25 PM
[youtube=560,345]FO4nj87gYHU[/youtube]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-sharry/first-lady-michelle-obama_b_582168.html
wut



"But my mom doesnt have papers"

lol, I bet her mom was shitting bricks off camera at that moment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 19, 2010, 08:40:13 PM
Reminds me of the S1 finale of the hit TV show, Big Love
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2010, 09:38:03 PM
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Questioner: But under your philosophy it would be okay for Dr. King to not be served at the counter at Woolworths?

Rand Paul: I would not go to that Woolworth's, and I would stand up in my community and say it's abhorrent. um... But the hard part, and this is the hard part about believing in freedom is, if you believe in the First Amendment, for example, you to, for example-- most good defenders will believe in abhorrent groups standing up and saying awful things, and we're here at the bastion of newspaperdom (sic) and I'm sure you believe in the First Amendment, so I'm sure you understand people can say bad things. It's the same way with other behaviors. In a free society we will tolerate boorish people who have abhorrent behavior, but if we're civilized people we publicly criticize that and don't belong to those groups or associate with those people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/rand-paul-on-civil-rights_b_582674.html

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
What he is describing is faith in other people. For some reason liberals never expect other human beings to make good judgement so it is up to the state to dictate such behavior.


Never understood that.  ???
Maybe I'm just naive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:47:58 PM
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Power-Play-Over-Immigration-Law-94251079.html (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Power-Play-Over-Immigration-Law-94251079.html)

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In a letter to the city of LA, a member of Arizona's power commission said he would ask Arizona utility companies to cut off the power supply to Los Angeles. LA gets about 25 percent of its power from Arizona.


:rofl


California: Hey we dont need you AZ, we'll cut you off.
AZ: ...
California: Why isnt my electric car charging?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2010, 09:48:03 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Maybe I'm just naive.

Lock up this thread people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:49:18 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 19, 2010, 09:48:12 PM
If you were a black guy in the sixties would you have "faith" in other people? :lol

I dont know I wasnt a black guy in the sixties.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: M3wThr33 on May 19, 2010, 09:49:25 PM
Heh. Today on Rush he was all foaming about the elections, but saying that it's still a win for Republicans, because PA has a 2:1 majority of dems to republicans, so a 54% win is actually really bad.
It's great when he does damage control. Basically harmless.

He's forgetting that only the fringe votes, and especially in off-year elections, turnout amongst people is really low, so this was a chance for tea partiers to actually make a difference. Yet again... they didn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2010, 09:49:58 PM
if you have faith in other people, you are ignorant of both history -and- sociology

hell, you're ignorant of basic libertarianism, which preaches selfishness -- "enlightened" selfishness, of course, which is an oxymoron -- and resents any social mechanism that suborns one human to another for greater survival, and outright abhors altruism

why would anyone trust folks when they're all out for #1, and calls that selfishness "enlightened"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 19, 2010, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Never understood that.  ???
Maybe I'm just naive.

Not naive, willfully ignorant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
How is "enlightened" selfishness" an oxymoron?

Everyone is selfish, it's nature. The difference between me and you is that you pretend thats not how it works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:58:41 PM
I'm willfully ignorant. Spell it out for me.  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2010, 09:59:32 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 19, 2010, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Never understood that.  ???
Maybe I'm just naive.

Not naive, willfully ignorant.

If he used willfully ignorant though he couldn't pretend he was "enlightened".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2010, 10:00:46 PM
no, everyone is not EXCLUSIVELY selfish. we are collectively selfless/self-sacrificing in arguably equal measure. we would not have survived as a species if we did not have social mechanisms by which we suborn ourselves to the needs of the larger group. we are SOCIAL CREATURES. we go mad when left in isolation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 19, 2010, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 19, 2010, 10:00:46 PM
no, everyone is not EXCLUSIVELY selfish. we are collectively selfless and sacrificin in equal measure. we would not have survived as a specifies if we did not have social mechanisms by which we suborn ourselves to the needs of the larger group. we are SOCIAL CREATURES. we go mad when left in isolation.

Dude he's read Ayn Rand and Ron Paul.

I think he has a very deep and nuanced understanding of mankind and right and wrong based on those two philosophers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 19, 2010, 09:59:19 PM
I think he's playing by JayDubya rules, where every new page makes the last page null.

I'm not trying to. What am I looking for on the last page?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:04:58 PM
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no, everyone is not EXCLUSIVELY selfish.

I'm not saying they are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 19, 2010, 10:06:37 PM
It isn't our nature, either.


You don't think that wanting to improve our life is in our nature?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2010, 10:09:24 PM
so you have faith that people are NOT selfish when it serves your political purposes, but ARE selfish when it excuses your own irresponsible behavior? i would like to subscribe to your hilariously petty newsletter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2010, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 19, 2010, 10:06:37 PM
It isn't our nature, either.


You don't think that wanting to improve our life is in our nature?

how is that a selfish thing? rising tide, lifts all boats, socialism, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:14:40 PM
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so you have faith that people are NOT selfish when it serves your political purposes, but ARE selfish when it excuses your own bad behavior? i would like to subscribe to your hilariously petty newsletter

I never said this. I just said that people are not "Exclusively selfish" As in your example, a human would go mad in isloation, so it would be very selfish of him to not go mad, would it not? He might even be will to give up something that would be gained by being alone?



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how is that a selfish thing? rising tide, lifts all boats, socialism, etc

How is that not selfish? Perhaps we have a different definition of selfish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:16:06 PM
Is it selfish for someone to want to make more money?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 19, 2010, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 09:53:55 PM
How is "enlightened" selfishness" an oxymoron?

Everyone is selfish, it's nature. The difference between me and you is that you pretend thats not how it works.

He accepts that that is how it works and therefore the government must take action in the gaps created by that selfishness

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and by gaps I mean instances where individuals are unwittingly victimized by that selfish attitude. for example, if black people are 5% of a town's population and they can't buy groceries because their boycott of the segregated grocery store is meaningless when 60% of the population is happy to shop there, or even -gasp- shops there BECAUSE it's segregated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2010, 10:26:16 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 19, 2010, 10:16:06 PM
Is it selfish for someone to want to make more money?

is it selfless for someone to want to make money
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 19, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
we treasure our personal consciousness -- our ability to strategize as individuals beyond our basic instincts for long-term gain -- but we gleefully condemn our equal measure of social consciousness, favoring short-term individual satisfaction over long-term social and societal gains

like it or not, society is its own organism, and it behooves to help it operate not on instinct but in consideration of an elevated perspective, a perspective that requires sacrifice as well as satisfaction

but what do i know, i buy netbooks like arabs buy twelve-year-olds
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 19, 2010, 11:11:46 PM
When you earn more money and use that money to buy something at Walmart- you are helping a chinaman. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 19, 2010, 11:55:38 PM
So basically:

If market tyranny is cost prohibitive, where is the govt. to protect me?

If I'm white and money isn't an issue(fuck everyone else and myself if shit goes down) in the short term, why is the govt. meddling in my endeavors?

Tea party conundrum.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2010, 02:18:07 AM
What U.S. history would look like if it was written by Texas and Arizona. (http://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-would-us-history-look-like-if-it_18.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 20, 2010, 09:01:47 AM
Saw this on twitter, haven't watched it yet though.

 
Pretty great, deep Rachel Maddow interview with Rand Paul about his thoughts on the Civil Rights Act http://slate.me/bAq7NC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2010, 01:12:56 PM
He's honestly talking about parts of Boston being desegregated in the 1840s?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Debaser on May 20, 2010, 03:29:21 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 20, 2010, 09:01:47 AM
Pretty great, deep Rachel Maddow interview with Rand Paul about his thoughts on the Civil Rights Act http://slate.me/bAq7NC

It's really not that deep. Just 20 minutes of Maddow trying to get Paul to say what he means, which is that private businesses should absolutely have the right to discriminate racially, sexually, or however the hell else they want, and Paul doing everything he possibly can to dodge coming out and saying it.

"The interesting thing is..." I'd say the interesting thing is that you won't just cop to it, dude!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2010, 04:08:20 PM
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The Rand Paul camp has issued a new statement (via Greg Sargent) saying that Paul does in fact support the power of the federal government "to insure that private businesses don't discriminate based on race."

That appears to be a full reversal from Paul's comment on Rachel Maddow Wednesday night that, referring to the section of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that bars private institutions from race-based discrimination, "had I been around, I would have tried to modify that."

Said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton (who, by the way, was also a spokesman for Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign):

"Civil Rights legislation that has been affirmed by our courts gives the Federal government the right to insure that private businesses don't discriminate based on race. Dr. Paul supports those powers."

That goes further than the statement from Rand Paul himself earlier today that endorsed the Civil Rights Act because of its "intent" but fell short of supporting the power of the government to ban racial discrimination by private businesses.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/reversal-paul-backs-govt-enforced-ban-on-discrimination.php?ref=fpb

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 20, 2010, 04:39:50 PM
this whole thing is fucking weird.

like i can't believe someone who has full time staffers and a father who has publicly faced the same issues doesn't have pat answers ready to go for some of this stuff.

 "i believe in freedom for all except when it tramples the freedoms of others, and as such the civil rights act was a wonderful way to reclaim freedom after jim crow laws codified systematic racism."

boom.

and i'm a moron.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on May 20, 2010, 05:09:48 PM
Unfortunately I believe Paul is a shoe-in in November.  This is Kentucky, after all.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2010, 05:12:11 PM
Libertarians always do well when they group think among each other. It all sounds wonderful and fair (to them) when they back each other up.

And then they explain what their views actually mean to the general public and people always think they are bat shit insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2010, 06:14:32 PM
wait a minute....his real name is fucking Rand Paul?

Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 20, 2010, 06:16:48 PM
technically Randall Paul
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 20, 2010, 06:26:11 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 20, 2010, 05:12:11 PM
Libertarians always do well when they group think among each other. It all sounds wonderful and fair (to them) when they back each other up.

And then they explain what their views actually mean to the general public and people always think they are bat shit insane.

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/libertarians-on-pauls-civil-rights-stance-very-reasonable.php
Libertarians On Paul's Civil Rights Stance: 'Very Reasonable'

Rand Paul's apparent opposition to a key provision of the Civil Rights Act places him well within the mainstream of libertarian thought, according to several leading libertarians.

The GOP Senate candidate told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last night that he would have tried to "modify" the law's ban on racial discrimination by private businesses. That was an expansion of comments he made last month to a Louisville newspaper, in which he said that opposing the ban was "the hard part about believing in freedom."

...

Walter Block, a libertarian professor of economics at Loyola University, and a senior fellow with the libertarian Ludwig Von Mises Institute, went further. "I think anyone who doesn't believe that isn't a libertarian," he said, calling Paul's comment "a very mainstream libertarianism."

"I'm delighted that Rand Paul said that," an enthusiastic Block added. "I think it's magnificent. I didn't realize that he was that good."

"The spirit of non-discrimination," said Block "ends you right up in compulsory bisexuality."

...

:spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2010, 06:27:00 PM
Quote from: Eric P on May 20, 2010, 06:16:48 PM
technically Randall Paul

Still though, there's only one fucking reason he's using that nickname.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 20, 2010, 06:29:23 PM
compulsory bixexuality what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2010, 07:09:51 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 20, 2010, 04:35:04 PM
This bold move shows the Tea Party capable of backing down instantly from any stance when it's politically expedient.

Seriously though I think the dude is toast.  the tea party is already fighting the racism thing and this is going to maul them if they let it continue..

Well he is running in Kentucky, to replace the winner of the "most batshit crazy guy in elected office" award
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 20, 2010, 07:57:43 PM
Here to explain Beardo
http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2010, 08:08:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 20, 2010, 06:14:32 PM
wait a minute....his real name is fucking Rand Paul?

Jesus Christ.

ObamaJesus, save us!

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e295/JoeMolotov/obama_unicorn.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2010, 08:10:45 PM
I don't think Rand is racist. The problem is that like most libertarians, he's just unbelievably naive/dense. He seems to think that because most people aren't racist nowadays, they would punish the businesses that ARE racist. The irony being that the only reason most people aren't racist now is directly because of legislation like the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on May 20, 2010, 09:00:50 PM
Oblivion, I don't believe it works backwards.

But I do believe in unicorns in track suits.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2010, 10:07:13 PM
Quote from: etiolate on May 20, 2010, 09:00:50 PM
Oblivion, I don't believe it works backwards.

But I do believe in unicorns in track suits.



Sure it does for the simple fact that the civil rights act was enacted. It works backwards because that is AynRand Paul whole premise. It is his basis for his belief because the civil rights act changed how (white)people could run their business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 20, 2010, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 20, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Has anyone asked Rand about other widely popular libertarian stances of legalized drugs and prostitution? :teehee
that's the thing, either he wins and becomes a republican who doesn't go with the establishment with the GOP, votes against war and social conservatism, or his stances become so much of a liability that a republican loses to a dem in fucking Kentucky of all places.

him getting the nomination was lose-lose the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2010, 11:38:21 PM
So the senate just passed a financial regulation bill that will ensure big banks never threaten the economy ever again, with tough regulations on derivatives, swaps, etc

Oh wait, it doesn't do any of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 21, 2010, 01:20:22 AM
some turdslurp on facebook

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with the damn dems and our commy president it wont matter anyhow in a few months the governemnet with fucken control wall street too and make sure everyone forgets what capatilaism was about.....we are screwed....good thing the world is ending in 2012 hahaha

How can anyone legitimately think this shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 21, 2010, 01:23:16 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 20, 2010, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 20, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Has anyone asked Rand about other widely popular libertarian stances of legalized drugs and prostitution? :teehee
that's the thing, either he wins and becomes a republican who doesn't go with the establishment with the GOP, votes against war and social conservatism, or his stances become so much of a liability that a republican loses to a dem in fucking Kentucky of all places.

him getting the nomination was lose-lose the GOP.

Rand is going to go right ahead and vote along with the rest of the GOP, don't kid yourself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2010, 03:13:59 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:03:59 AM
Even under Mandark's hypothetical of an area where bigots flock together and create a place where the market rewarded such behavior, you would be dealing with a tiny, marginalized, self-selecting group.

Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:03:59 AM
Even under Mandark's hypothetical of an area where bigots flock together and create a place where the market rewarded such behavior, you would be dealing with a tiny, marginalized, self-selecting group.

Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:03:59 AM
Even under Mandark's hypothetical of an area where bigots flock together and create a place where the market rewarded such behavior, you would be dealing with a tiny, marginalized, self-selecting group.

Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:03:59 AM
Even under Mandark's hypothetical of an area where bigots flock together and create a place where the market rewarded such behavior, you would be dealing with a tiny, marginalized, self-selecting group.

Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:03:59 AM
Even under Mandark's hypothetical of an area where bigots flock together and create a place where the market rewarded such behavior, you would be dealing with a tiny, marginalized, self-selecting group.


I just, I can't.  PD, you explain it to him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 03:17:49 AM
The issue isn't about Wal-mart or whatever.  It's about small mom & pop stores that get healthy revenue from their either apathetic or racist white customers.

This was widespread obviously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 03:28:21 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:20:31 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 21, 2010, 03:17:49 AM
It's about small mom & pop stores that get healthy revenue from their either apathetic or racist white customers.

Hence, tiny and marginalized.
the vast majority of white people in the south were apathetic towards civil rights.  They didn't hate black people, they just didn't see a reason to care why their gardener/domestic had to shop at a different store.

It wasn't seeing him have to shop at a less convenient store on the black side of the town that got the civil rights act through.  It was seeing him get shot with fire hoses and bitten by dogs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2010, 03:47:58 AM
You do realize that really happened, and is not some hypothetical. And could easily happen again in the south in 2010. You're looking at this from a strictly economic/business perspective and pretending like the human aspect of racism is so impractical it can't possibly exist in the real world. It might not exist in libertarian world, but Mississippi?

We're not talking about McDonalds here, or some large franchise Al Sharpton could boycott nationally. Racism is impractical from a business perspective, but I seriously doubt the owner of the Woolworth lunch counter gave a shit about the potential revenue lost from refusing blacks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 03:57:43 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 03:37:24 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 21, 2010, 03:28:21 AM
It wasn't seeing him have to shop at a less convenient store on the black side of the town that got the civil rights act through.  It was seeing him get shot with fire hoses and bitten by dogs.

So, emotional overreaction to a clear injustice leading to missing the mark and perpetuating further injustice, then?

More like it would just look bad to still be apathetic towards the only realistic solution now that the racism is on the front page.

Do you think there was some widespread boycotting going on by the whites or market share being lost to the stores that made a few more bucks because they sold to blacks?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2010, 04:07:35 AM
JAYDUBYA:  Businesses wouldn't discriminate against minorities, it's against their enlightened self-interest!

PHOENIXDARK:  Actually, most white-owned businesses throughout a large portion of the United States did just that for roughly a century and only stopped after intervention by the federal government.

JAYDUBYA:  I just explained how that would never happen.

PHOENIXDARK:  ...but it did happen.

JAYDUBYA:  Maybe.  But even if it did, it's impossible that it ever could have.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 21, 2010, 04:10:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 21, 2010, 04:07:35 AM
JAYDUBYA:  Businesses wouldn't discriminate against minorities, it's against their enlightened self-interest!

PHOENIXDARK:  Actually, most white-owned businesses throughout a large portion of the United States did just that for roughly a century and only stopped after intervention by the federal government.

JAYDUBYA:  I just explained how that would never happen.

PHOENIXDARK:  ...but it did happen.

JAYDUBYA:  Maybe.  But even if it did, it's impossible that it ever could have.

Fuck.  JayDubya completely, absolutely annihilated. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 04:29:58 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 04:09:52 AM
I do think it looks bad to be apathetic to this "realistic" solution, when it's appropriate to condemn it.  What you described, the dogs and hosing - represented actions on the part of local governments that violated the constitutional right to peaceably assemble.  This is a significant problem, and one that warrants concern.  It does not logically follow that the "realistic" or appropriate course of action is to diminish property rights.

Realistically, people wouldn't get mad at the local government for doing something illegal that they would support/not care about if it was a regular person.

What actually happened when you gave people those "property rights" was that they used it to victimize an entire ethnic group.  People chose to value some rights over others.

If you could just point out a historically relevant trend showing that this was definitely going to change without the aid of the civil rights act then you might have an argument.  Until then, I won't put so much faith in the average whites back then.

Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 04:09:52 AM
Rhetorical question. As a matter of historical record, there was not.  Do you think that there would not be widespread boycotting or market share lost in May 2010?

Harder to teach hate and fear after 50 years of shopping and going to school with blacks.  You know this was my argument all along.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 21, 2010, 04:58:32 AM
Quote
Not wanting to sell someone something does not "victimize" in any conceivable way.

"I need to buy gauze and bandages, I was just stabbed."

"Sorry, I don't sell to nigras."

Fuck you, JayDubya.  Aren't you the same moron who was arguing on GAF a few years ago that open racism no longer existed?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 21, 2010, 05:08:36 AM
Conveniently ignoring my point that you were the one retardedly arguing that racism no longer appreciably existed and if it did it only existed behind closed doors where it "didn't really matter."

Thank God psychos like yourself are an extreme minority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
Quote
So what you're saying is that it is unrealistic to expect people to get mad at the actual source of a problem. 
No, I am saying that the illegal actions of the local government were supported by their constituents.

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Not wanting to sell someone something does not "victimize" in any conceivable way.
If almost all white business owners do this to all blacks then it creates a problem, yes.

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Thus voting away essential liberty, and not even for temporary security, but for the sake of maybe making people treat each other nice at some point in the distant future, if we take your argument to its conclusion.

No, not distant future.  People get along if you force them to work together and be around each other.  My point is that it's been several generations since people have lived in such segregation that those racist attitudes are being lost.

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Furthermore, you cannot realistically hope to substantiate that all things that did happen were the only way they could have happened, that they were the best way they could have happened, or that particular objectionable aspects were the chief agents in achieving what you consider a desirable outcome.  I don't think you'll find history at large amenable to that reasoning.
I never suggested that.

I'm just saying there's no historic precedent showing that your philosophy would work.  Does there seem to be a correlation between the civil rights act and a decrease in racism/segregation?  yes, so I think it is one of an infinite number of solutions.

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Of course I knew this is where some would want the goalposts moved to; I took this into account well beforehand.
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From a utility argument standpoint, it is already in the business's financial best interest to take any paying customer.  Overwhelmingly, the sort of practices the law prevents would already be commercial suicide due to boycotts, protests, and the simplicity and speed of modern communication.  Even under Mandark's hypothetical of an area where bigots flock together and create a place where the market rewarded such behavior, you would be dealing with a tiny, marginalized, self-selecting group.  These laws are useless and outmoded; the assertion that such laws led to a status quo where the laws were rendered useless and outmoded is both unverifiable, and also not particularly salient.

We still have an amendment that makes it illegal to own slaves.

Just because a law is going to be useful now doesn't mean it's going to be useful forever as people's prejudices and philosophies change.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 21, 2010, 08:10:27 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 05:14:56 AM
You made a point?  It sounds to me like you're trying to make a quote, and one that seems pretty alien to me.

Bigotry along the lines of superficial differences will exist as long as superficial differences do, long after the notion of "race" goes out the window (as it should and hopefully will).



Yeah, too bad NeoGAF fucked with their search system, or I would find all your old distinguished mentally-challenged quotes, causing your balls to shrink back into your abdomen and you to scurry away for another few weeks, licking your wounds from the pure, raw ownage.

Not that I need to, since Mandark & Co. do that well enough on their own.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
JayDubya
The Civil Rights Act takes away essential liberties.

Make it so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 08:54:31 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 21, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
We still have an amendment that makes it illegal to own slaves.

And that is well.  Would that we had equivalent amendments that were as protective of the right to property and the right to life.

Slavery is a violation of the human right to liberty and the right to property - you must have self-ownership, self-determination; someone using aggressive force to take that away that self-determination is inherently and inexorably wrong in a way that makes not selling you a cheeseburger pale in comparison... just a bit.

A concept lost on most liberals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 10:38:36 AM
Anyone know how the benevolent invisible hand of socialism is guiding europe? (http://"http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100521/tuk-ftse-plunges-to-new-low-over-euro-fe-45dbed5.html")
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 21, 2010, 11:11:48 AM
I miss all the good distinguished mentally-challenged fellow fights :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
I'd be scared shitless about the law if I thought it is as bad as liberals think it is.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2010, 12:12:51 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
I'd be scared shitless about the law if I thought it is as bad as liberals think it is.




That's because you are a hypocrite.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
I'd be scared shitless about the law if I wasn't white.

Fixt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 21, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
I'd be scared shitless about the law if I wasn't white.

Fixt

Are you suggesting that you can't read (the law) if they aren't white? That's pretty racist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 21, 2010, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 21, 2010, 01:05:52 PM
"And I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be somebody's fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen," Paul said.

Accidents happen.  I spilled some pasta on the floor, and now the livelihood of everybody in my area is affected.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
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:rofl :rofl :rofl

the self-clowning continues
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 21, 2010, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 04:52:32 AM
Not wanting to sell someone something does not "victimize" in any conceivable way.

:rofl
oh my god
i dont think there's any actual limit to jaydubya's ability to outdo himself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2010, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 01:01:33 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 21, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 21, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
I'd be scared shitless about the law if I wasn't white.

Fixt

Are you suggesting that you can't read (the law) if they aren't white? That's pretty racist.
I hadn't really thought of it that way because that is the kind of (lame)reach that only a conservative could make. A 'leap of faith' I think you guys call it.

However, this is racist: (http://i40.tinypic.com/nyz9mw.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on May 21, 2010, 02:55:24 PM
Say what you will about the Arizona law (it was passed since the Federal Government's Immigration Officers are failing majorly at their job), but I take offense to Obama and Democrats clapping in support of the Mexican President ripping Arizona a new one while he has just as bad, if not worse immigration laws concerning the countries to Mexico's south that Mexico has no intention of repealing. The real reason that guy doesn't want the law to be legal is because of all the money those illegals send back to families in Mexico, boosting that country's economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 03:25:42 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on May 21, 2010, 08:54:31 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 21, 2010, 05:30:28 AM
We still have an amendment that makes it illegal to own slaves.
And that is well.  Would that we had equivalent amendments that were as protective of the right to property and the right to life.
Slavery is a violation of the human right to liberty and the right to property - you must have self-ownership, self-determination; someone using aggressive force to take that away that self-determination is inherently and inexorably wrong in a way that makes not selling you a cheeseburger pale in comparison... just a bit.
First of them all, I will for the sake of argument disregard all the cases of blacks being denied cheeseburgers...

What about when they would be passed up for jobs by some employers, or made impossible for them to get paid higher than a white coworker even if they do work harder?

Even the most essential needs such as getting library cards, getting an equivalent education, and maybe even the right to walk into voting booths was kinda infringed upon by the institutionalized racism and segregation in the south.

It wasn't just about cheeseburgers..oh shat, I'm sorry about that.  I forgot I wasn't supposed to bring it up.

Would you at least admit that the parts of the Civil Rights Act that you do agree with (like voting) would be much harder to expect to take change if the businesses are still allowed to be segregated?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 21, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
A link to the last page should be an auto-reply to every one of JayDubya's posts. "hypothetical" BUAHAHAHAHAHAH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2010, 03:46:12 PM
I don't see what the big deal is.  So every now and again they couldn't conveniently buy a cheeseburger.  I ask you, is that so bad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 21, 2010, 03:49:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 21, 2010, 03:46:12 PM
I don't see what the big deal is.  So every now and again they couldn't conveniently buy a cheeseburger.  I ask you, is that so bad?

Plus the invisible hand of capitalism will just fix everything.


On a side note I tried explaining the concept of Libertarianism to a member of this board over Xbox Live named Skidmark who lives in Sweden as we were playing MW 2. I think he was stunned that such a concept even exists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 21, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 21, 2010, 01:05:52 PM
"And I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be somebody's fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen or dirty lazy government-teat sucking poors and blacks abuse the hard work of honest white middle-class taxpayers," Paul said.

Accidents happen.  I spilled some pasta on the floor, and now the livelihood of everybody in my area is affected.

fixed for subtext.

and yeah, in a vacuum, where we are all individuals operating in context-free isolation, not selling someone something is victimless. but when the act of "selling" is more than simple an exchange of goods/services/currency, and when like-minded individuals group together in communities, and when those groups form greater societies all of whom are against selling something to someone on account of their skin color or perceived sexual preference or long hair or religious affiliation, well, THEN you have a need for an authority with a larger perspective to step in and bust shit up. the fundamental failing of the libertarian -- the one they just can't wrap their heads around -- is that NO MAN IS AN ISLAND. if you are going to involve other people in ANY aspect of your life, then you must relinquish certain perceived freedoms, many of which are relinquished not because they impact your immediate environs or status but because you have CHOSEN to be part of a larger community that has specific needs to retain overall cohesion. perspective: not something common to lolbertarian outlooks, and the lack of it is why social progressives are so mystified. and *we're* the ones that supposed hate america?

of course, this approach will be rendered into some hilariously binary argument by one of the libertarian set here, because everything is either one thing -OR- another, and there can be no messy, inconvenient, uncomfortable shades of grey that require moral flexibility or cultural adaptation. no, if you practice that approach, you're IMMORAL!!!!! or you must take it some illogical extreme that results in everyone getting sent to camps somewhere.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 21, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
a = a

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 21, 2010, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 21, 2010, 02:55:24 PM
Say what you will about the Arizona law (it was passed since the Federal Government's Immigration Officers are failing majorly at their job), but I take offense to Obama and Democrats clapping in support of the Mexican President ripping Arizona a new one while he has just as bad, if not worse immigration laws concerning the countries to Mexico's south that Mexico has no intention of repealing.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/hannity-says-mexican-president-needs


Also, you can't blame Obama and the Dems for 'failing to do their job', when people like Lindsey Graham (despite being a co-author of an immigration bill) are refusing to get involved.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on May 21, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 21, 2010, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on May 21, 2010, 02:55:24 PM
Say what you will about the Arizona law (it was passed since the Federal Government's Immigration Officers are failing majorly at their job), but I take offense to Obama and Democrats clapping in support of the Mexican President ripping Arizona a new one while he has just as bad, if not worse immigration laws concerning the countries to Mexico's south that Mexico has no intention of repealing.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/hannity-says-mexican-president-needs


Also, you can't blame Obama and the Dems for 'failing to do their job', when people like Lindsey Graham (despite being a co-author of an immigration bill) are refusing to get involved.

Ok, so according to that the laws have been updated. Good. I'm not blaming just Obama in this case man. I'm blaming the whole government and those prior to Obama. If the prior administrations, as well as the current, had done their job and secured the border, we wouldn't be dealing with this law in the first place.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 21, 2010, 08:56:17 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 21, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 21, 2010, 01:05:52 PM
"And I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be somebody's fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen or dirty lazy government-teat sucking poors and blacks abuse the hard work of honest white middle-class taxpayers," Paul said.

Accidents happen.  I spilled some pasta on the floor, and now the livelihood of everybody in my area is affected.

fixed for subtext.

and yeah, in a vacuum, where we are all individuals operating in context-free isolation, not selling someone something is victimless. but when the act of "selling" is more than simple an exchange of goods/services/currency, and when like-minded individuals group together in communities, and when those groups form greater societies all of whom are against selling something to someone on account of their skin color or perceived sexual preference or long hair or religious affiliation, well, THEN you have a need for an authority with a larger perspective to step in and bust shit up. the fundamental failing of the libertarian -- the one they just can't wrap their heads around -- is that NO MAN IS AN ISLAND. if you are going to involve other people in ANY aspect of your life, then you must relinquish certain perceived freedoms, many of which are relinquished not because they impact your immediate environs or status but because you have CHOSEN to be part of a larger community that has specific needs to retain overall cohesion. perspective: not something common to lolbertarian outlooks, and the lack of it is why social progressives are so mystified. and *we're* the ones that supposed hate america?

of course, this approach will be rendered into some hilariously binary argument by one of the libertarian set here, because everything is either one thing -OR- another, and there can be no messy, inconvenient, uncomfortable shades of grey that require moral flexibility or cultural adaptation. no, if you practice that approach, you're IMMORAL!!!!! or you must take it some illogical extreme that results in everyone getting sent to camps somewhere.



PROLE  :bow2

WRECKING SHIT  :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2010, 09:06:16 PM
Quote from: JayDubya
Not wanting to sell someone something does not "victimize" in any conceivable way.

What?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 21, 2010, 09:06:45 PM
don't celebrate yet; if the libertarians get their way, policemen will be replaced with robocops and/or mercenaries, depending on which polarized version of reality they prefer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2010, 09:11:03 PM
Also, on immigration: conservatives complain that the federal government has dropped the ball, thus forcing states to take action. But once the federal government starts working on immigration, conservatives throw a batshit hissy fit of epic proportions. Explain this please.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 21, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 21, 2010, 09:06:45 PM
don't celebrate yet; if the libertarians get their way, policemen will be replaced with robocops and/or mercenaries, depending on which polarized version of reality they prefer

Hey, I'll throw my hat in with the mercenary crowd.

A former Mounted Policeman must adapt to a changing landscape, selling his skills to the highest bidder in a near-future dystopian world.  But eventually he discovers that the work his new employers demand from him may not be worth the ultimate cost:  his soul.

*A screenplay by Will Federman*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 21, 2010, 09:26:06 PM
:lol

call it "ANTHEM 2: O CANADA"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 21, 2010, 10:24:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2010, 09:11:03 PM
Explain this please.
Don't.  It's impossible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 22, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
It seems clear to me that Rand Paul, and perhaps JayDubya, would be more in favor of a nationwide network of government-run grocery stores, hotels, and lending agencies that would offer service to everyone. That way, private businessmen could mistreat whoever they want and the government would be staying within its bounds of authority!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 22, 2010, 12:11:15 PM
Holy shit. (http://www.theonion.com/articles/justice-stevens-retires-to-spend-more-time-dying-i,17469/) :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 22, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
then go BE an island, and see how long you last!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2010, 12:51:29 PM
Quote from: JayDubya
Looking solely at the property aspect, Jim Crow laws that dictate what someone must not do and Title IX dictating what someone must do are equally unjust.

At this point what's the point. I don't want to sound like some asshole outsider scoffing at the debate, but clearly arguing against such a delusional, mechanical argument is a waste of bandwidth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 22, 2010, 01:10:18 PM
in jaydubya's world, it's okay for others to mistreat you as long as the "others" aren't "the government"

apparently individuals don't ever predictably band together to enforce shared beliefs; or if they do, it's okay, as long as they don't call themselves a government  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FoneBone on May 22, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
reminder: jdubs has previously declared with a straight face that "tyranny of the majority" best describes "the masses voting themselves a free lunch" rather than Jim Crow, sodomy laws, or the like
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FoneBone on May 22, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 21, 2010, 04:07:35 AM
JAYDUBYA:  Businesses wouldn't discriminate against minorities, it's against their enlightened self-interest!

PHOENIXDARK:  Actually, most white-owned businesses throughout a large portion of the United States did just that for roughly a century and only stopped after intervention by the federal government.

JAYDUBYA:  I just explained how that would never happen.

PHOENIXDARK:  ...but it did happen.

JAYDUBYA:  Maybe.  But even if it did, it's impossible that it ever could have.
also jaydubs, as always pathologically unable to admit being wrong, still has yet to directly respond to this (other than calling it a "strawman," which isn't an actual response)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2010, 01:38:22 PM
Denying services to blacks is no worse than the government stopping businesses from denying services to blacks. Seriously
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 22, 2010, 02:34:11 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 20, 2010, 11:33:54 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 20, 2010, 10:35:26 PM
Has anyone asked Rand about other widely popular libertarian stances of legalized drugs and prostitution? :teehee
that's the thing, either he wins and becomes a republican who doesn't go with the establishment with the GOP, votes against war and social conservatism, or his stances become so much of a liability that a republican loses to a dem in fucking Kentucky of all places.

him getting the nomination was lose-lose the GOP.

Nah, he'll have a far right authoritarian voting record if he gets elected.  As I suspect most tea partiers who gets elected will vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2010, 04:06:42 PM
He doesn't seem as...principled as his father. I could see him voting with the GOP establishment. For instance, if republicans take the senate (unlikely) I just can't imagine him voting against most of their crap
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on May 22, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
Should a black family owned restaurant be forced to serve KKK members? That's pretty absurd.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on May 22, 2010, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 22, 2010, 12:38:33 PM
then go BE an island, and see how long you last!

Nobody is suggesting this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 22, 2010, 08:21:05 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 22, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
Should a black family owned restaurant be forced to serve KKK members? That's pretty absurd.
As lomng as they aren't trying to preach hate speech, then yes the KKK members should be served.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 22, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
I like how JayDubya is the only one who "understands" America.  Everyone else is wrong. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 22, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
Should a black family owned restaurant be forced to serve KKK members? That's pretty absurd.

Yes. Although I find it odd/interesting that this is the analogy you came up with in a discussion on whether businesses should be able to discriminate based on race
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 22, 2010, 10:38:22 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 22, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
Should a black family owned restaurant be forced to serve KKK members? That's pretty absurd.

Are you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2010, 12:06:38 AM
Quote from: Beardo on May 22, 2010, 06:56:00 PM
Should a black family owned restaurant be forced to serve KKK members? That's pretty absurd.

I realize that your first instinct is to disagree with your Internet Enemies, as nefarious and cryptofascist as they are.  However.

You're drifting towards explicit opposition to the Civil Rights Act.

I'd really, really recommend you take a few moments to think things over before continuing down that path.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2010, 12:28:46 AM
Hey wait!  You're not Beardo at all!

:wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 23, 2010, 12:31:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 23, 2010, 12:28:46 AM
Hey wait!  You're not Beardo at all!

:wag

Are you sure?  Have you ever seen both of them in the same place?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 23, 2010, 12:33:32 AM
in his defense, internet libertarians often appear functionally interchangable

that's what a good shot of inflexible dogma does to one's interweb dna
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on May 23, 2010, 12:37:04 AM
Quote from: Ichirou on May 22, 2010, 08:43:00 PM
I like how JayDubya is the only one who "understands" America.  Everyone else is wrong. :lol
Except for him all I see is immigrants and euro-fegs in this thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2010, 12:42:16 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 23, 2010, 12:33:32 AM
in his defense, internet libertarians often appear functionally interchangable

that's what a good shot of inflexible dogma does to one's interweb dna

Stereotypes ftl. Liberals prove to be the true racists once again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2010, 12:52:58 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 21, 2010, 09:06:45 PM
don't celebrate yet; if the libertarians get their way, policemen will be replaced with robocops and/or mercenaries, depending on which polarized version of reality they prefer

[youtube=560,345]k6CkltzGAxY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 23, 2010, 01:44:29 AM
Love that sketch.

edit: oh shit, I started a new page!  nooooooooo, all of the effort to engage JayDubya in debate is now for naught.........
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 23, 2010, 03:42:14 AM
all men are islands *ignores every bit of biology, neurology, and psychology showing the incredible amount of interdependence human societies have*


poppy cock, science is the new magick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 23, 2010, 03:43:27 AM
also magnets how do they work
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on May 23, 2010, 03:46:44 AM
the magnet is a magic trick created by the shaman known as the "scientist" to fool the self-determined man into thinking there are forces beyond individual human control
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 23, 2010, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 23, 2010, 03:43:27 AM
also magnets how do they work

MIRACLES!!1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 23, 2010, 10:07:07 AM
Don't you guys get tired of arguing with JayDubya?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2010, 01:08:19 PM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201005230002
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 23, 2010, 08:06:46 PM
Quote from: Boogie on May 23, 2010, 01:44:29 AM
Love that sketch.

edit: oh shit, I started a new page!  nooooooooo, all of the effort to engage JayDubya in debate is now for naught.........

In his defense, I brought this up with him just a few weeks ago and he said...

...oh wait a minute...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on May 24, 2010, 08:47:32 AM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/05/palin-criticizes-obama-on-gulf-oil-cleanup/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/05/palin-criticizes-obama-on-gulf-oil-cleanup/1)


Quote
Sarah Palin, who popularized the "drill, baby, drill" slogan as the GOP vice presidential candidate, criticized President Obama's efforts to clean up the Gulf oil spill.

The former Alaska governor, speaking on "Fox News Sunday," questioned whether there's "any connection" between Obama's campaign donations from oil companies and him "taking so doggone long to get in there, to dive in there, and grasp the complexity and the potential tragedy that we are seeing here in the Gulf of Mexico," the Los Angeles Times reports.

Palin said she remains a "big supporter" of oil drilling but "these oil companies have got to be held accountable."

In response, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Palin should learn more about the situation.

"My suggestion to Sarah Palin would be to get slightly more informed as to what's going on in and around oil drilling in this country," Gibbs said on CBS News' "Face the Nation." He added:

    Sarah Palin was involved in that election, but I don't think, apparently, was paying a whole lot of attention. I'm almost sure that the oil companies don't consider the Obama administration a huge ally. We proposed a windfall profits tax when they jacked their oil prices up to charge more for gasoline.

The oil and gas industry donated $2.4 million to Palin's running mate, Republican John McCain, in the 2008 election cycle, and nearly $900,000 to Obama, according to the Times, which cites data from the Center for Responsive Politics' opensecrets.org website.

"Every bit of government has been activated," Gibbs said CBS News. "The president has told the team to spare nothing in trying to cap this well."

Palin, who has supported drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife, told Fox News that onshore drilling is "even safer than way offshore." She said:

    Maybe this (Gulf spill) is a lesson too for those who oppose safe, domestic supplies being extracted on our shores and on the land."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 24, 2010, 09:04:16 AM
whee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 24, 2010, 10:31:35 AM
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2010, 12:53:03 PM
And that's what happens when you go on a program/station you know will never call you out for anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 24, 2010, 01:05:03 PM
Of course they wouldn't call her out. She is being paid by fox to speak bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 24, 2010, 01:05:13 PM
can we get a :palinlol emoticon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on May 24, 2010, 01:05:45 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on May 24, 2010, 01:05:13 PM
can we get a :palinlol emoticon

We do:

 :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 24, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on May 19, 2010, 09:59:19 PM
I think he's playing by JayDubya rules, where every new page makes the last page null.
This is called the Lost strategy.  Each season makes the last season completely irrelevant. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2010, 01:11:14 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/37269qj)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 24, 2010, 01:11:57 PM
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 24, 2010, 01:18:12 PM
OMG :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2010, 01:22:45 PM
mods, add plz

It's from opa ages
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 24, 2010, 01:36:26 PM
i forgive opa-ages its years of blithering uselessness JUST because that gif is so awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on May 25, 2010, 01:04:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2010, 01:11:14 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/37269qj)

hooooly shit, that is fucked up :rofl

Are there any other good ones from OA we can steal?  I remember there was a cartoon hippo LOL that was hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2010, 12:00:40 PM
Quote
(CNN) -- North Korea announced Tuesday a freeze in relations with South Korea and threatened military retaliation in response to alleged intrusions into its waters by the South Korean navy.

North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea said it would "abrogate the agreement on non-aggression" amid heightened tensions on the divided peninsular over the sinking of a South Korean warship earlier this year.

An official South Korean report accused the Communist North of firing a torpedo at the ship, killing 46 sailors.

A North Korean military official accused the South of intruding into North Korean waters in the Yellow Sea from May 14 to 24, the Yonhap news agency reported.

"This is a deliberate provocation aimed to spark off another military conflict in the West Sea of Korea and thus push to a war phase the present north-south relations," the official said in a statement, according to Yonhap.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged North Korea Monday to reveal what it knows about the "act of aggression" that sunk a South Korean warship.

She also said the United States' "support for South Korea's defense is unequivocal" and that North Korea should "stop its belligerence and threatening behavior."

South Korea has said a probe concluded the North fired a torpedo that sunk a South Korean military ship in March. The United States supports that finding, Clinton said while in China.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak announced Monday that his country was suspending trade with North Korea, closing its waters to the North's ships and adopting a newly-aggressive military posture toward its neighbor.

"We endorse President Lee's call on North Korea to come forward with the facts regarding this act of aggression and, above all, stop its belligerence and threatening behavior," Clinton said.

U.S. President Barack Obama has directed military commanders to work with South Korean troops "to ensure readiness and to deter future aggression" from North Korea.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/25/n.korea.threats/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/25/n.korea.threats/index.html?hpt=T1)
 
:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2010, 12:58:27 PM
So when we get drafted, which EB icon do you want in your platoon?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2010, 01:03:54 PM
Himuro. His brightly-colored cravat will draw enemy fire away from everyone else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/05/scotus-kagan-fashion.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 25, 2010, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2010, 01:03:54 PM
Himuro. His brightly-colored cravat will draw enemy fire away from everyone else.

 
        I've goot to saaave Bubba!
         /
:himu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2010, 07:46:20 PM
Okay, something seems wrong here.

CBO Estimates Stimulus has put up to 2.8 million to work in first quarter (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/cbo-stimulus-put-up-to-34m-to-work-in-first-quarter.php?ref=fpa).

Back in February, the CBO said the Stimulus created 2.1 million jobs in the last quarter of 2009. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2311303720100223)

So with this new report, between the 4th quarter of 2009 and the first quarter 2010, the stimulus created between 3.3 million and 4.9 million jobs, which in turn would mean Herr Obama created more jobs in 6 months than Bush did in 8 years? Am I reading that right? That's almost too good to be true. I'm sure I'm missing something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2010, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 26, 2010, 07:46:20 PM
Okay, something seems wrong here.

CBO Estimates Stimulus has put up to 2.8 million to work in first quarter (http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/cbo-stimulus-put-up-to-34m-to-work-in-first-quarter.php?ref=fpa).

Back in February, the CBO said the Stimulus created 2.1 million jobs in the last quarter of 2009. (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2311303720100223)

So with this new report, between the 4th quarter of 2009 and the first quarter 2010, the stimulus created between 3.3 million and 4.9 million jobs, which in turn would mean Herr Obama created more jobs in 6 months than Bush did in 8 years? Am I reading that right? That's almost too good to be true. I'm sure I'm missing something.

For those that didn't see:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21487717&postcount=23710

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 28, 2010, 10:53:35 AM
oops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 01, 2010, 03:10:34 PM
[youtube=560,345]qasbSquSW54[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2010, 04:28:31 PM
Kinda wish I lived in Arkansas so I could vote against Blanche Lincoln tomorrow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on June 02, 2010, 11:43:13 AM
[youtube=560,345]9zJ04AWn-5w[/youtube]

I need to rant about this yellow journalism.  He is pretending that one case of a crooked crew leader is representative Census Bureau.  He also conveniently forgets that travel time is included in your total hours.  I'm almost done with my Census job and we have to put up with alot of crap with the bureaucratic process and insane people who hate our guts and refuse to cooperate.  I have made a bunch of honest mistakes with my job, but I've never willingly committed fraud.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 02, 2010, 11:50:39 AM
Isn't that the guy that tried to wiretap that one politician's office and almost went to jail? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2010, 01:30:29 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/26n47c2)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 02, 2010, 01:39:21 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 02, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on June 02, 2010, 08:44:12 PM
it's actually kinda genius. there is some mastermind who realizes that realigning the past of 'drill baby drill' is key to her hopes down the road. imagine the campaign commercials without it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
however, this whole hiatus on drilling sucks /selfinterest
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2010, 02:19:17 AM
Arizona Mural Sparks Racial Debate (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/04/20100604arizona-mural-sparks-racial-debate.html)

(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/mural.jpg)

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A group of artists has been asked to lighten the faces of children depicted in a giant public mural at a Prescott school.

The project's leader says he was ordered to lighten the skin tone after complaints about the children's ethnicity. But the school's principal says the request was only to fix shading and had nothing to do with political pressure.

The "Go on Green" mural, which covers two walls outside Miller Valley Elementary School, was designed to advertise a campaign for environmentally friendly transportation. It features portraits of four children, with a Hispanic boy as the dominant figure.

R.E. Wall, director of Prescott's Downtown Mural Project, said he and other artists were subjected to slurs from motorists as they worked on the painting at one of the town's most prominent intersections.

"We consistently, for two months, had people shouting racial slander from their cars," Wall said. "We had children painting with us, and here come these yells of (epithet for Blacks) and (epithet for Hispanics)."

Wall said school Principal Jeff Lane pressed him to make the children's faces appear happier and brighter.

"It is being lightened because of the controversy," Wall said, adding that "they want it to look like the children are coming into light."

Lane said that he received only three complaints about the mural and that his request for a touch-up had nothing to do with political pressure. "We asked them to fix the shading on the children's faces," he said. "We were looking at it from an artistic view. Nothing at all to do with race."

City Councilman Steve Blair spearheaded a public campaign on his talk show at Prescott radio station KYCA-AM (1490) to remove the mural.

In a broadcast last month, according to the Daily Courier in Prescott, Blair mistakenly complained that the most prominent child in the painting is African-American, saying: "To depict the biggest picture on the building as a Black person, I would have to ask the question: Why?"

Blair could not be reached for comment Thursday. In audio archives of his radio show, Blair discusses the mural. He insists the controversy isn't about racism but says the mural is intended to create racial controversy where none existed before.

"Personally, I think it's pathetic," he says. "You have changed the ambience of that building to excite some kind of diversity power struggle that doesn't exist in Prescott, Arizona. And I'm ashamed of that."

Faces in the mural were drawn from photographs of children enrolled at Miller Valley, a K-5 school with 380 students and the highest ethnic mix of any school in Prescott. Wall said thousands of town residents volunteered or donated to the project, the fourth in a series of community murals painted by a group of artists known as the "Mural Mice."

The public art, funded by a $5,000 state grant through the Prescott Alternative Transportation Center, was selected by school students and faculty.

"The parents and children love it," Lane said.

I bolded that bit because it's got two classic tropes of the genre:

1)  The bigot misidentifies an ethnicity.  Unless they're a throwback, hardcore bigot who buys antique books on phrenology off of ebay, the modern racist is basically angry at a vague encroaching swarthiness and the snooty limousine liberals who are shoving multiculturalism down his throat.

2)  The bigot attempts rhetorical judo.  "I'm not rejecting them, they're rejecting us!"  Hence the nonsense about starting a "power struggle" through "ambience".  See the Michelle Obama whitey tape, the Cruz Bustamante MEChA stuff, the entire Barack Obama conspiracy ouevre, ACORN, ethnic history months as "guilt trips", etc.  It's a lot easier to believe that someone else hates you and you're just reacting to it than to confront your own ugly biases.


Link stolen shamelessly from Prole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 05, 2010, 02:21:57 AM
re, point 2: let's not forget the snowbilly's claim that environmentalists are responsible for deepwater horizon on account of them making it tough to drill in "safe" areas
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2010, 03:09:53 AM
I've been sitting here trying to come up with a non-rambling 2a point in relation to how conservatives attempt to frame any civil rights/multiculturalism issue as invasive liberal politics, adding partisan controversy to issues you'd think we could all agree on. Multiculturalism goes from being a good, American/melting pot thing to a liberal conspiracy to make whites feel guilty or left out. Disdain for celebrations of diversity are often hid underneath complaints about "political correctness" and/or the double standards that allegedly limit white people from being on a level playing field with minorities ("how come black pride is ok but white pride isn't; how come black magazines are ok, but if I made a white magazine it would be racist; etc").

Whenever a prominent white personality is caught saying the n word, Fox News wonders why it's ok for black people to say the word, and why black leaders aren't working hard enough to stop the free market it.

edit: oh look
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/so_carolina_totally_loses_its_mind.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 05, 2010, 04:44:36 AM
Quote
Asked to clarify, he said he did not mean the United States was at war with India, but was at war with "foreign countries."
If I had the energy and know-how to make a gif of Riley busting out laughing on the last episode of Boondocks, I would post it here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2010, 05:09:44 AM
It's amazing how much shit is being thrown at Haley. Holy shit

This fits perfectly in with the race conversation though, with a little religion added in the mix ha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 05, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2010, 03:09:53 AM
I've been sitting here trying to come up with a non-rambling 2a point in relation to how conservatives attempt to frame any civil rights/multiculturalism issue as invasive liberal politics, adding partisan controversy to issues you'd think we could all agree on. Multiculturalism goes from being a good, American/melting pot thing to a liberal conspiracy to make whites feel guilty or left out. Disdain for celebrations of diversity are often hid underneath complaints about "political correctness" and/or the double standards that allegedly limit white people from being on a level playing field with minorities ("how come black pride is ok but white pride isn't; how come black magazines are ok, but if I made a white magazine it would be racist; etc").

Whenever a prominent white personality is caught saying the n word, Fox News wonders why it's ok for black people to say the word, and why black leaders aren't working hard enough to stop the free market it.

edit: oh look
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/so_carolina_totally_loses_its_mind.php?ref=fpblg

sounds like someone is experiencing black privilege.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 05, 2010, 11:38:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2010, 05:09:44 AM
It's amazing how much shit is being thrown at Haley. Holy shit

This fits perfectly in with the race conversation though, with a little religion added in the mix ha
I'm not particularly surprised. She's a white woman. That is only a small step up from being black in these people's minds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2010, 01:00:58 PM
A somewhat attractive white woman too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 05, 2010, 09:43:19 PM
I guess it fits here:
 
[youtube=560,345]X0EeXTG4mWw
[/youtube]
Documentary of a family escaping from North Korea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 07, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-mike-honda/americas-longest-war-leav_b_602125.html

So when are we gonna pull our heads out of our asses and leave.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2010, 03:09:59 PM
When the pipeline is complete. :shh

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/pipeline.jpg)  :hans1
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2010, 03:49:22 PM
Quote
With tomorrow's Nevada primary coming up, it's worth looking back on the many gaffes and errors of former state GOP chair Sue Lowden, whose once-mighty Senate campaign has fallen behind Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. Simply put, the chickens have come home to roost for what may be one of the worst-run Senate primary campaigns of this cycle.

Lowden shot to national fame in April, when she was caught on tape telling people to barter with their doctors in order to lower health care costs. Her other policy prescription for people grappling with expensive health care: "And if you want to save $20,000, good for you. Save it pre-tax."

...

So let's look at the toll that all of this helped to take on Lowden. Two months ago, Mason-Dixon had her leading the GOP primary field with 45%, followed by ex-UNLV basketball player Danny Tarkanian with 27%, and Angle at 5%. A month ago, she was down to 30%, with Angle at 25% and Tarkanian with 22%. And now the latest poll has Angle with 32%, Tarkanian at 24%, and Lowden with 23%.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/totally-plucked-what-happened-to-sue-lowdens-once-formidable-campaign.php?ref=fpa

Faith in this country +1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2010, 04:17:29 PM
What the fuck am I gonna do with all these chickens now?  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on June 07, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
I have to spend about $3000 (hopefully less) to get a root canal on one of my teeth since I'm uninsured.  Thanks again, capitalism!  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2010, 04:55:49 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/07/obama_seeking_ass_to_kick_over_oil_spill.html

Seems Chairman Obongo finally decided to Nazi it up a bit. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2010, 04:33:23 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/media-demands-that-obama-show-more-emotion-about-spill-video.php?ref=fpi
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 08, 2010, 04:43:15 PM
I WANT THE PRESIDENT TO SHOW MORE EMOTION

/Obama shows more emotion

ARE THE PRESIDENTS' EMOTIONS A LIABILITY?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 08, 2010, 07:35:39 PM
It's like that femal politicians.
First it's like, 'She's a robot where is her feminity?' then it's like, 'Typical woman, can't keep their emotions in check'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2010, 12:18:01 AM
Blanche Lincoln won her primary. I'm gonna be sick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on June 09, 2010, 01:04:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2010, 04:33:23 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/media-demands-that-obama-show-more-emotion-about-spill-video.php?ref=fpi

This is fucking perverse. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 09, 2010, 09:15:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2010, 12:18:01 AM
Blanche Lincoln won her primary. I'm gonna be sick

I'm not sure why. Liberals always make me chuckle when they root for progressives down South.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2010, 10:41:28 AM
Halter wasn't even really progressive, he never explicitly came out for the public option, just a lot of criticism of Lincoln.  He knew he'd have to tack back to the center/right in order to win the general if he won the nomination.

Oh well, +1 Senate seat for the Republicans this fall.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2010, 02:55:59 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/09/liz-peek-hillary-clinton-obama-run-democrats/?test=faces

what the fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 09, 2010, 02:57:01 PM
remember when bush was going to bounce cheney and select guiliani in 04?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 09, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
lol fox
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 10, 2010, 07:08:17 AM
Holy shit @ this lady

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/10/texas.border.patrol.shooting/?hpt=T2

This is the best they could do for PR? Wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on June 10, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/jun/10/strange-twist-in-senate-race/

How the hell does this happen?  Alvin Greene -- unemployed, lives with his parents, has a felony obscenity charge against his name, and hardly campaigned at all -- wins the SC democratic primary with 59% of the vote.  And apparently he's now being accused by folks of being a Republican plant.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 10, 2010, 05:03:00 PM
Looks like are friends in the GOP want it so the dirty poors can't strategically default on their mortgage.  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/10/republicans-target-underw_n_607800.html)

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When Democrats were pushing to enact "cram down," which would allow judges to rewrite mortgage contracts in bankruptcy court, conservative Democrats and the GOP argued that it would violate the "sanctity of the contract."

There is only sanctity, however, for one side of that contract. "It also disgusts me that the Republicans would use Big Government to interfere with the sanctity of contract," said Baker in an e-mail. "Those who do a strategic default are complying with their contract. The deal was that the banks get back the house if the homeowner doesn't pay the mortgage. Now, the Republicans are arguing that the nanny state has to look out for the little boys and girls at the big banks who are too dumb to understand contracts. They are going to use the power of the government to punish people because they acted on the terms of the contract to the disadvantage of the banks."

Of course there is nothing there saying anything about businesses who do the exact same thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 10, 2010, 11:42:12 PM
Quote from: RoboJ on June 10, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2010/jun/10/strange-twist-in-senate-race/
How the hell does this happen?  Alvin Greene -- unemployed, lives with his parents, has a felony obscenity charge against his name, and hardly campaigned at all -- wins the SC democratic primary with 59% of the vote.  And apparently he's now being accused by folks of being a Republican plant.  :lol
I heard them talking about him on the radio yesterday and one theory is that he won because he was the first name on the democratic ballot.

It makes sense though that a well educated left-leaning voter in SC would be registered as republican so that they could get the most moderate republican candidate in the primaries.  Maybe general election doesn't even matter in that state.

Here in cali, I actually wanted to register as a republican so that I could torpedo the primaries but Meg Whitman got nominated anyways.  I can't believe she spent $80 bucks on every vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 11, 2010, 12:02:47 AM
WHY ISN'T THE PRESIDENT ANGRY ENOUGH (BY OUR ARBITRARY STANDARDS, BY THE WAY) ABOUT THIS OIL SPILL?  WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS, SPOCK?

*Obama vows to "kick ass" over oil spill*

WHOA WHOA WHOA... SLOW DOWN THERE ANGRY SOCIALIST NEGRO!

The press is probably the most useless part of the whole system by this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 12:48:40 AM
Sure the cursing seemed so forced, but the media's reaction to it was just pathetic. No wonder Obama never wants to talk to those distinguished mentally-challenged fellows
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/olbermann_interviews_alvin_greene.php#more?ref=fpblg

holy fuck :rofl

It's like Himu decided his new hobby would be running for senate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 11, 2010, 01:04:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 12:48:40 AM
Sure the cursing seemed so forced

it wasn't forced, it was echoing the question where Matt Lauer said people wanted him to go in and "kick some butt" which Obama laughed at, it's not like it was some pre-planned talking point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 01:06:51 AM
Oh shit, in that case I'm a victim of deceptive editing by the media  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on June 11, 2010, 01:49:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/olbermann_interviews_alvin_greene.php#more?ref=fpblg

holy fuck :rofl

It's like Himu decided his new hobby would be running for senate

Crazy.  smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2010, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on June 11, 2010, 12:02:47 AM
WHY ISN'T THE PRESIDENT ANGRY ENOUGH (BY OUR ARBITRARY STANDARDS, BY THE WAY) ABOUT THIS OIL SPILL?  WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS, SPOCK?

*Obama vows to "kick ass" over oil spill*

WHOA WHOA WHOA... SLOW DOWN THERE ANGRY SOCIALIST NEGRO!

The press is probably the most useless part of the whole system by this point.

Howard Kurtz (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201006070071) shows you can't win for losing.

Pretty much sums up what's wrong with the news media, especially the cable stuff.  It's not ideology, it's speciousness.  Everything is always narrative, personalities, conflicts, winners and losers.

This is the most inane kind, too.  "Do people feel that Obama's connecting with them emotionally?" is a question that -- even if you considered it important -- shouldn't be answered by analysts on the news, because the viewers know for themselves, one way or the other.  They ARE the people.  Talking Heads Explain To You How You Feel About Things is the worst thing in news since user-generated content.

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I know that news junkies consider themselves informed enough that they think of themselves as separate from The Public, so these reports are like anthropological documents explaining how the plebes are reacting, but that's a terribly smug and self-flattering attitude.  Note to Hardball viewers:  You are not Karl Rove.  You are not even Mark Penn.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 11, 2010, 07:41:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/olbermann_interviews_alvin_greene.php#more?ref=fpblg

holy fuck :rofl

It's like Himu decided his new hobby would be running for senate

:rofl

What the fuck is this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on June 11, 2010, 09:32:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2010, 01:01:14 AM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/olbermann_interviews_alvin_greene.php#more?ref=fpblg

holy fuck :rofl

It's like Himu decided his new hobby would be running for senate

:rofl


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 11, 2010, 09:56:37 AM
the eli porter of candidates
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 11, 2010, 10:09:33 AM
(http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/images/45/18/1763182/original_image.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 11, 2010, 01:51:36 PM
Holy FUCK :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 12, 2010, 04:13:43 AM
Olbermann's follow-up to the interview with Green.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37651099

What possible legal way could he have paid a $10,400 filing fee while on unemployment. :lol

I also don't have any clue how so many precincts got in more ballots than could possibly be cast.

I have no idea what happened there but it would be really surprising if demint somehow pulled off voter fraud and a democrat got the seat.  that's a hell freezing over situation though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2010, 04:26:51 AM
DeMint was gonna win that seat easily, I don't see the point in planting someone. Whoever did it probably isn't connected to him, but if they are oh man this will be fun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 12, 2010, 09:01:44 AM
You can be on unemployment and still have savings. If he spent 9 years in Korea he must have a good amount of money tucked away.

I'd like to know the circumstances of his leaving the military.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 12, 2010, 09:15:43 AM
Someone was saying both candidates were relatively unknown but that since Greene spelled his name with an 'e' at the end many black voters chose him on the ballot as that is the "black" spelling, which I never really noticed before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 12, 2010, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 12, 2010, 09:01:44 AM
You can be on unemployment and still have savings. If he spent 9 years in Korea he must have a good amount of money tucked away.
Yeah, it is possible that somebody else didn't finance him.  But I can't believe that anybody would be that stupid that they would blow their savings while unemployed on  long-shot senate run and then do no campaigning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 12, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
Even if he did blow his financial life on a doomed Senate campaign, it'd be done out of a craziness that would give a good illumanati/jews/lizard people/gold standard rant for the cameras, not be shocked and bashful when they actually showed up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2010, 01:27:49 PM
Krugman on Jan 6th, 09
Quote
    This really does look like a plan that falls well short of what advocates of strong stimulus were hoping for — and it seems as if that was done in order to win Republican votes. Yet even if the plan gets the hoped-for 80 votes in the Senate, which seems doubtful, responsibility for the plan’s perceived failure, if it’s spun that way, will be placed on Democrats.

    I see the following scenario: a weak stimulus plan, perhaps even weaker than what we’re talking about now, is crafted to win those extra GOP votes. The plan limits the rise in unemployment, but things are still pretty bad, with the rate peaking at something like 9 percent and coming down only slowly. And then Mitch McConnell says “See, government spending doesn’t work.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/6/14/875776/-Stimulus-spending:-Paul-Krugman-was-right

dammit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2010, 11:19:28 PM
No kidding.  The main lesson I've taken away from the last decade of following politics is that if you disagree with Paul Krugman, it's probably time to recheck your work.

Remember when conservatives would say stuff like "I like his writing on economics, just not his stuff on politics"?  Good times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2010, 12:00:40 AM
So now Obama is asking for 50b, about the same amount cut out to appease President Snowe during the stimulus fight.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2010, 01:04:13 AM
Reports were that the Obama team figured Congress would push the size of the bill up, since that's how things typically went during the Bush years (IIRC the agriculture, energy, transportation, and Medicare drug bills all followed that pattern).  They should have sussed out early on from the centrists' rhetoric that it was going to get shaved down, and started negotiating from a higher number.

They also wanted to stay under $1 trillion because it's a Big Round Number, but I don't think it would have mattered.  Congressional Republicans referred to it as costing that much anyway, and I seriously doubt more than a small fraction of the electorate accurately remembers the final price tag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2010, 05:14:45 PM
With Graham gone, there aren't 60 votes for an energy bill
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/kerry-we-dont-have-60-votes-for-climate-billyet.php?ref=fpa

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 15, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
Energy is probably a harder sell than healthcare, because voters know even less about the costs and effects of different forms of energy production than they do about their doctors.  OTOH, democrats can point to BP as a "death panel" of sorts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2010, 09:14:13 PM
Gotta love the outrage over Obama "exploiting" the oil spill to shill an energy policy. Same with the outrage over the government not doing anything about illegal immigration, then getting upset when the government does something about illegal immigration. I forgot which blog had an article on the conservative dismissal of all things government, a few months ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 16, 2010, 04:26:27 AM
On exploiting (http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.9.12.102423.271.html) events for political gain:

Quote
Of course the World Trade Center bombings are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. However, we must also consider if this is not also a lesson to us all; a lesson that my political views are correct. Although what is done can never be undone, the fact remains that if the world were organised according to my political views, this tragedy would never have happened.
   
Many people will use this terrible tragedy as an excuse to put through a political agenda other than my own. This tawdry abuse of human suffering for political gain sickens me to the core of my being. Those people who have different political views from me ought to be ashamed of themselves for thinking of cheap partisan point-scoring at a time like this. In any case, what this tragedy really shows us is that, so far from putting into practice political views other than my own, it is precisely my political agenda which ought to be advanced.

Not only are my political views vindicated by this terrible tragedy, but also the status of my profession. Furthermore, it is only in the context of a national and international tragedy like this that we are reminded of the very special status of my hobby, and its particular claim to legislative protection. My religious and spiritual views also have much to teach us about the appropriate reaction to these truly terrible events.

Countries which I like seem to never suffer such tragedies, while countries which, for one reason or another, I dislike, suffer them all the time. The one common factor which seems to explain this has to do with my political views, and it suggests that my political views should be implemented as a matter of urgency, even though they are, as a matter of fact, not implemented in the countries which I like.

Of course the World Trade Center attacks are a uniquely tragic event, and it is vital that we never lose sight of the human tragedy involved. But we must also not lose sight of the fact that I am right on every significant moral and political issue, and everybody ought to agree with me. Please, I ask you as fellow human beings, vote for the political party which I support, and ask your legislators to support policies endorsed by me, as a matter of urgency.

It would be a fitting memorial.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2010, 05:34:09 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/beck-did-obama-refuse-to-meet-with-tony-hayward-because-hes-a-white-ceo/

what the i don't even
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 17, 2010, 08:20:04 PM
lol

(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/40885/GO_B_P.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2010, 03:36:13 PM
There is a good speech by Al Franken here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/18/al-franken-slams-supreme_n_617448.html). It's kind of lengthy but worth a listen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
[youtube=560,345]uaHtAxSXMwo[/youtube]

The right wing's war on Miranda rights is so hilarious. I thought they were about freedom and rights  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 19, 2010, 03:24:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
[youtube=560,345]uaHtAxSXMwo[/youtube]

The right wing's war on Miranda rights is so hilarious. I thought they were about freedom and rights  :'(

Wow.  I mean, with the black out section with the airliner audio and....wow.

And this newfound twisted obsession against law enforcement following proper legal procedures when investigating terrorist threats... :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2010, 03:29:21 AM
I guess proper legal procedures/rights are voided if you're a terrorist. What if you're a pedophile or rapist? Where exactly does this end. It's ironic that a party so obsessed with constitutional rights could be sowing the seeds for their elimination

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006190006

 :lol :lol :lol
It's so patriotic to say your country's military can be easily replaced. The country Mr. Beck loves so much it makes him cry. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2010, 11:37:14 AM
so it looks like Obama has to fire a general
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on June 22, 2010, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 22, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006190006

 :lol :lol :lol
It's so patriotic to say your country's military can be easily replaced. The country Mr. Beck loves so much it makes him cry. :'(

That's exactly what we need.  A military driven by a profit motive.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2010, 11:49:40 AM
Quote from: archie4208 on June 22, 2010, 11:39:43 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 22, 2010, 11:07:22 AM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006190006

 :lol :lol :lol
It's so patriotic to say your country's military can be easily replaced. The country Mr. Beck loves so much it makes him cry. :'(

That's exactly what we need.  A military driven by a profit motive.  :american

Exxon Mobile sure enjoys it. (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704328104574516901231406262.html) :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2010, 01:06:00 PM
In what way, Genghis? A corporate military outfit that is big enough to occupy a country sound very dangerous to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 22, 2010, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2010, 11:37:14 AM
so it looks like Obama has to fire a general

Just saw Obama comment on it, and he actually seemed visibly pissed.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 22, 2010, 06:00:07 PM
sounds like he's going to call in an airstrike on him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2010, 06:02:23 PM
I want to see the video lol.

edit: TPM is posting the video soon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 22, 2010, 06:11:25 PM
Okay, read some parts of the interview, and holy shit. What the fuck was McChrystal thinking? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2010, 06:40:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]CzEEr7kpogc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 22, 2010, 10:44:17 PM
This presidency is starting to turn into a real shitfuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on June 22, 2010, 10:46:01 PM
Yeah, Obama sucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 22, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
agreed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 22, 2010, 10:52:54 PM
There is no reason for us to still be in Afghanistan/Iraq. The hunt is over, we are already paying millions of dollars to the Taliban as protection money. Obama's "18 month" deadline is approaching and there is no end in sight.

It's a shame, because that was the biggest part of his "change" program I was excited for.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 22, 2010, 10:58:25 PM
i was excited for the cessation of the dismantling of civil liberties

i mean, the guy was a constitutional scholar

i didn't forsee...well any of this shit.

better than the alternative, but still
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
Obama will spend 4 years cleaning up messes (and making messes), then President Romney will be sworn in and ride the wave of recovery
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 23, 2010, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
Obama will spend 4 years cleaning up messes (and making messes), then President Romney will be sworn in and ride the wave of recovery

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 23, 2010, 12:03:59 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 22, 2010, 01:06:00 PM
In what way, Genghis? A corporate military outfit that is big enough to occupy a country sound very dangerous to me.

War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 23, 2010, 12:25:35 AM
I haven't read the article yet but I can agree with McCrystal's idea of spending another decade to actually rebuid the country.

It's odd hearing that McCrystal apparently also bashed Biden though since I'm pretty sure Biden was always for spending the resources to rebuild properly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 23, 2010, 01:27:43 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on June 23, 2010, 12:25:35 AM


It's odd hearing that McCrystal apparently also bashed Biden though since I'm pretty sure Biden was always for spending the resources to rebuild properly.

Not quite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-joe-biden-should-resi_b_320929.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/politics/04military.html?_r=1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2010, 01:31:35 AM
Yea, Biden has advocated a smaller, special ops+predator drone strategy to systematically cripple the Taliban, whereas McCrystal wants to win hearts/minds and overwhelm the enemy on the ground. Pretty different strategies.

Andrew Sullivan said it sounds like McCrystal is pissed Biden was right all along. We don't know whether Biden's strategy would work, but clearly McCrystal's surge hasn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2010, 12:12:13 PM
Washington Post lol
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/post-headline-writers-going-all-in-for-mcchrystal/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2010, 01:32:15 PM
Petreus is in
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2010, 01:38:58 PM
Obama shows some balls, knee caps conservatives at the same time. How are they going to bitch about this
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/why-not-petraeus-crocker-afghanistan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2010, 01:45:22 PM
Biden doesn't look pleased
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on June 23, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
What did this Billy Crystal guy do anyways
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 23, 2010, 02:07:25 PM
https://www.weeklystandardstore.com/obama-stress-head/index.php?utm_source=tws&utm_medium=cpm&utm_campaign=123
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fresh Prince on June 23, 2010, 10:07:29 PM
Quote from: The Worst Poster Ever on June 23, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
What did this Billy Crystal guy do anyways
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 25, 2010, 05:53:58 AM
Anyone remember the name of that book on late 20th century American political stratification that was mentioned on 538.com a lot during the presidential race?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2010, 12:28:30 PM
More specific?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 25, 2010, 12:40:11 PM
nixonland?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 25, 2010, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/06/22/2010-06-22_texas_gop_platform_criminalize_gay_marriage_and_ban_sodomy_outlaw_strip_clubs_an.html#ixzz0rtDYuEQ2
The Texas Republican Party gives a whole new meaning to the word conservative. The GOP there has voted on a platform that would ban oral and anal sex.

...

The 25-page proposal, presented last week as a guide for the state GOP over the next two years, includes other measures including outlawing “sexually oriented businesses” like strip clubs and banning “all pornography.”

If Texas doesn't go blue their balls will
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 26, 2010, 10:10:51 AM
There's some study or book out there about how people tend to relocate to like-minded areas and how that has affected districting and voter behavior in the last 30 years. I know of the original study about this back in the 60s or 70s but I thought there was a more recent one that built off of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2010, 10:22:19 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Big-Sort-Clustering-Like-Minded-America/dp/0618689354
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 26, 2010, 11:44:56 PM
The Big Sort, that's it, thanks a lot
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Hey, Elena Kagan's confirmation hearing is coming up and there doesn't seem to be a consensus talking point against her.  What gives?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2010, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 27, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Hey, Elena Kagan's confirmation hearing is coming up and there doesn't seem to be a consensus talking point against her.  What gives?

Are you kidding?  All I heard after she was nominated was BLANK SLATE BLANK SLATE BLANK SLATE.  And of course the far left is afeard that she's not gonna be liberal enough (although since she's gonna be replacing Stevens, that's a fair worry to have.).  I think the problem is that today's conservative is so easily distracted- they can't decide if they want to be mad at Obama for not waving a wand to solve the economy, the oil spill, or for having to basically fire McChrystal for going rogue while maintaining a straight face and forgetting what happened to Shinseki.  And then if he DID wave a magic wand and fix anything, they'd bitch about him being a warlock or whatever.  And the media would follow along, because they are stupid and useless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2010, 12:57:30 AM
I heard she might be a lesbian, which means she could be biased against straight people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 28, 2010, 01:30:59 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on June 28, 2010, 12:23:44 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 27, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Hey, Elena Kagan's confirmation hearing is coming up and there doesn't seem to be a consensus talking point against her.  What gives?

Are you kidding?  All I heard after she was nominated was BLANK SLATE BLANK SLATE BLANK SLATE.  And of course the far left is afeard that she's not gonna be liberal enough (although since she's gonna be replacing Stevens, that's a fair worry to have.).  I think the problem is that today's conservative is so easily distracted- they can't decide if they want to be mad at Obama for not waving a wand to solve the economy, the oil spill, or for having to basically fire McChrystal for going rogue while maintaining a straight face and forgetting what happened to Shinseki.  And then if he DID wave a magic wand and fix anything, they'd bitch about him being a warlock or whatever.  And the media would follow along, because they are stupid and useless.

"we here at cnn aren't saying that president obama is in league with lord voldemort; we're just saying he has a magic wizard wand and hung out with saul alinsky, and we feel you need to be informed"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2010, 09:00:26 AM
Also, the other day on CNN they actually fucking called Janet Napolitano "Big Sis" and used the "some are now calling her this" card, when by "some" they mean Matt Drudge, who is a Very Important and Serious Person, apparently.  Paul Krugman is shrill by contrast, and Michael Moore is fat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2010, 11:04:30 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/flashback-sen-byrds-speech-on-eve-of-iraq-war.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2010, 10:43:47 PM
Okay, I have to ask, and forgive me if this is a dumb question, but I'm still trying to figure this out. Regarding the BP oil spill, why is Obama still allowing BP to handle the situation? Shouldn't he have stepped in and taken control? It still appears as if he's still allowing BP a great deal of autonomy. Now, I refuse to believe that someone like Obama would be anywhere near that incompetent, especially after 60 plus days. So it leads me to believe there must be a legitimate reason. Is it simply because BP has capabilities and the know how (in theory at least) to handle this, which the government itself lacks?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2010, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 28, 2010, 10:43:47 PM
why is Obama still allowing BP to handle the situation?

Because he is not personally capable of stopping a deepwater oil leak.

FFS dude, we elected a political leader, not a superpowered national daddy figure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2010, 11:26:04 PM
I LIKED IT BETTER WHEN THE PRESIDENT CALLED TURRISTS EVILDOERS AND SAID THEY HATED US FOR OUR FREEDOMS

THIS GUY SEEMS LIKE HE HAS LOTS OF BOOK LEARNIN AND IS AN ASSHOLE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2010, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2010, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 28, 2010, 10:43:47 PM
why is Obama still allowing BP to handle the situation?

Because he is not personally capable of stopping a deepwater oil leak.

FFS dude, we elected a political leader, not a superpowered national daddy figure.

That's not what I was implying at all. I was asking if this is an issue of powerlessness or incompetence.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2010, 12:26:20 AM
It's their operation and the US government doesn't have any particular technology to plug the hole. The only thing they could do is blow it up, which could cause problems as well.

The government is more in control of the recovery (cleaning up the spill/compensating those effected) and determining who's to blame.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 29, 2010, 12:49:31 AM
Probably shouldn't jump down anyone's throat for something they preface with "this might be a dumb question".  Got irked at hearing for the billionth time that Obama should "take over" or "get involved", so Oblivion wound up with sarcasm as a door prize.

What PD said is right, AFAIK.



Anyways, how about Robert Byrd?

He was the last living link in the Senate to a very different America, politically speaking.  Parties that were pretty patchwork nationally, explicit racial apartheid in a big chunk of the country, and a much greater public acceptance of pork barrel politics.  He seemed to single-handedly keep the Democratic machine going in West Virginia when the rest of the Appalachians turned Republican.

He wrote an autobiography a few years back.  I'd be interested to see what he wrote about filibustering the Civil Rights Act.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2010, 01:33:29 AM
[youtube=560,345]GqnjzONrPiA[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 29, 2010, 05:16:51 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 29, 2010, 12:49:31 AM
Probably shouldn't jump down anyone's throat for something they preface with "this might be a dumb question".  Got irked at hearing for the billionth time that Obama should "take over" or "get involved", so Oblivion wound up with sarcasm as a door prize.

What PD said is right, AFAIK.



Anyways, how about Robert Byrd?

He was the last living link in the Senate to a very different America, politically speaking.  Parties that were pretty patchwork nationally, explicit racial apartheid in a big chunk of the country, and a much greater public acceptance of pork barrel politics.  He seemed to single-handedly keep the Democratic machine going in West Virginia when the rest of the Appalachians turned Republican.

He wrote an autobiography a few years back.  I'd be interested to see what he wrote about filibustering the Civil Rights Act.

He's definitely some weird living time capsule. It always bothered me when lizard-brains would say "hey well look at the kkk Democrat Byrd and try to tell me Republicans are the racists hyuk hyuk". smugface x ∞

Anyways, re: the CRA, iirc he's said it was one of his great regrets (in the context of also regretting voting for the Patriot Act)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 29, 2010, 05:23:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2010, 01:33:29 AM
[youtube=560,345]GqnjzONrPiA[/youtube]



meh 6/10, successfully captured the gun fetish but not enoug...OMG IT'S REAL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2010, 05:54:53 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2010, 12:26:20 AM
It's their operation and the US government doesn't have any particular technology to plug the hole. The only thing they could do is blow it up, which could cause problems as well.

The government is more in control of the recovery (cleaning up the spill/compensating those effected) and determining who's to blame.

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure this is the case.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 29, 2010, 10:35:49 AM
obama isn't fixing it because he's too busy playing golf and listening to raps and shooting all the jobs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 29, 2010, 10:49:57 AM
Typical Americans bitching about the high price of oil and then complaining when it washes up on shore for free.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2010, 03:41:52 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2njznkk.jpg)
:rofl

More here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/30/tea-party-jesus-blog-puts_n_630753.html#s108287).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on June 30, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2010, 02:24:42 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 29, 2010, 05:16:51 AM
He's definitely some weird living time capsule. It always bothered me when lizard-brains would say "hey well look at the kkk Democrat Byrd and try to tell me Republicans are the racists hyuk hyuk". smugface x ∞

Anyways, re: the CRA, iirc he's said it was one of his great regrets (in the context of also regretting voting for the Patriot Act)

Found that article, where his other regrets include supporting the Vietnam war and voting for deregulation of the airline industry.  Weird.

Very true about people playing the ohyeahwhataboutByrd card.  Conservatives who were just playing for their team, but also centrists/apathetics who wanted to pat themselves on the back for their own above-the-frayness.



Anyway, looks like financial regulatory reform is about to squeak through.  Economics of Contempt says the bill looks solid and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2010, 05:17:05 AM
(http://j883376.mirror.waffleimages.com/waffleimages/files/b1/b19d94d49316d7652e6837508f874b5e3be7cb0d.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 01, 2010, 09:43:53 AM
Your pic wasn't showing up for me so I rehosted it for you. :-*

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2a9sdb8.jpg)

:rofl @ Creepy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 01, 2010, 10:14:14 AM
JayDubya falls in several of those categories.  The one that struck me first was Bizarrely Hypocritical though. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 01, 2010, 10:49:04 AM
The many types of Democrats.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The enabler
(http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/22/joe-biden.jpg)
Everyone else
(http://www.timw.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/begger2.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
funny

anyway check out the updated healthcare.gov site, it's pretty nice
http://www.healthcare.gov/index.html

Seniors are probably more relieved than impressed right now (after all, they aren't on death panels), but in 2011 that should change

Quote
Offering Prescription Drug Discounts. Seniors who reach the coverage gap will receive a 50 percent discount when buying Medicare Part D covered brand-name prescription drugs. Over the next ten years, seniors will receive additional savings on brand-name and generic drugs until the coverage gap is closed in 2020. Effective January 1, 2011.

Maybe PantherLotus on gaf said it best: "In about 10-15 years, Republicans are going to really, really, REALLY regret branding this as Obamacare."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 01, 2010, 11:31:07 AM
I wished i lived in that fantasy land. Endless money supply, free drugs. Sounds like heaven.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 01, 2010, 02:28:16 PM
Another type of Democrat

Anti-capitalist yet demands all the benefits of capitalism.
[youtube=560,345]FHIZ2Jl2vuQ[/youtube]
It's my right to shop at your mall!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2010, 03:00:39 PM
Well, that man is now going to haunt my dreams.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2010, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
Maybe PantherLotus on gaf said it best: "In about 10-15 years, Republicans are going to really, really, REALLY regret branding this as Obamacare."

I doubt it.  Conservatives went nuts about Medicare too.  Then it passed and they stopped campaigning against it, and weren't punished for having opposed it.

In a way, that's a good thing.  Social legislation is subject to ZOMG SOCIALISM hysteria, but once in place people start thinking of it as a standard function of government.  It creates a constituency for protecting, improving, and expanding the program, which is why Republicans added an expensive, unfunded drug benefit to Medicare.  It might be frustrating that they get away with retconning, but it means they have to give up any hopes of repeal.

And boy howdy, Beardo's sure keeping it classy up in here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 01, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2010, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
Maybe PantherLotus on gaf said it best: "In about 10-15 years, Republicans are going to really, really, REALLY regret branding this as Obamacare."

And boy howdy, Beardo's sure keeping it classy up in here.

Thanks for reminding me about the last type of Democrat
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"He disagreed with me whaaaaaaa!"

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2010, 04:01:53 PM
I'm just saying, bro.  Last time you were talking a bit of smack about the CRA, but were savvy enough to walk away before explicitly denouncing it.  You might want to just take a couple extra minutes to think whether posting stuff like this (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1159968#msg1159968) is the most effective way to express yourself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 01, 2010, 07:26:25 PM
Libertarian Type 25 - The Beardo Archetype: The filthy poor that hates other filthy poors (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1114747#msg1114747).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 01, 2010, 08:08:22 PM
ah-uh, you don't understand Beardo, he might be a filthy poor now but he believes in an America where he'll be a millionare next year, just cuz - so don't be fucking up his imagined future tax returns.

Now, how he'll get there, perhaps his bald eagle commemorative plate ebay store will finally take off, i still believe beardo  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2010, 08:20:07 PM
He needs his own title, ie Joe the Plumber
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on July 01, 2010, 08:28:28 PM
Beardo the hobo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2010, 10:12:38 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 01, 2010, 09:43:53 AM
Your pic wasn't showing up for me so I rehosted it for you. :-*

Thank ye.  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 01, 2010, 10:27:52 PM
Beardo annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 02, 2010, 07:38:16 AM
How does he do it?

I wonder what would happen IRL if you looked in the mirror and said 'ABORTION' 3 times. Since I really don't think I'd enjoy JayDubya as a houseguest, I'm too scared to try.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2010, 08:52:59 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
god I sure hate the constitutional fetish. and yet most of them are perfectly fine with American citizens being detained indefinitely, assassinated, and having their Miranda and religious rights waived in the name of freedom and brown hatin'.

Makes me want to write a Left Behind fanfic where the tea party movement ushers in the anti-Christ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 03, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 02, 2010, 06:49:11 AM
The people that still want to pass the bill then have to pare it down, or wait.  The "CRA of 1965" could have been much better for the delay.

The Bore Presents part 57 of "JayDubya's How The Civil Rights Movement Probably Happened, According to My Models", an ongoing series.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Flawed legislation is bad legislation. If only our law makers were as through as Blizzard Entertainment
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 03, 2010, 07:21:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Flawed legislation is bad legislation. If only our law makers were as through as Blizzard Entertainment
That would be cool because then they would have never finished the second amendment with how fast gun technology/culture changed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 03, 2010, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 03, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 02, 2010, 06:49:11 AM
The people that still want to pass the bill then have to pare it down, or wait.  The "CRA of 1965" could have been much better for the delay.

The Bore Presents part 57 of "JayDubya's How The Civil Rights Movement Probably Happened, According to My Models", an ongoing series.
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2010, 01:53:17 PM
I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh while working.  I find it amusing that they gush over the new iPhone and Apple products in general.

If anyone needs another reason to avoid Apple products, this should be it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 04, 2010, 01:41:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
god I sure hate the constitutional fetish. and yet most of them are perfectly fine with American citizens being detained indefinitely, assassinated, and having their Miranda and religious rights waived in the name of freedom and brown hatin'.

Makes me want to write a Left Behind fanfic where the tea party movement ushers in the anti-Christ
She said the founding fathers set up the constitution to make sure their were equal rights for people of all races and origins (not religions, though...) and then she railed on schools for not teaching about the founding fathers. :lol

All races and religions except black people?  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 04, 2010, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: T EXP on July 04, 2010, 01:53:17 PM
I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh while working.  I find it amusing that they gush over the new iPhone and Apple products in general.

If anyone needs another reason to avoid Apple products, this should be it.
Simple advertising.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 05, 2010, 06:40:39 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 04, 2010, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: T EXP on July 04, 2010, 01:53:17 PM
I listen to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh while working.  I find it amusing that they gush over the new iPhone and Apple products in general.

If anyone needs another reason to avoid Apple products, this should be it.
Simple advertising.

When Rush said (to paraphrase), "We use Macs for everything in our office!" it put me off on Apple products for five years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 05, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
if only games could be developed by internet champions whose lack of practical experience in running a project given finite resources only means they will refuse to be hampered by such concepts and will spir them on to greatness - every game would be a AAA+ revolution  :'(
 
if only gov't could be created by internet champions whose ignorance about how people and society actually function only means they will refuse to be hampered by such concepts and will spir them on to greatness - we would all exist in a perfect self-governing utopia  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 05:43:02 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/05/opinion/05krugman.html?_r=1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
Krugman looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 05, 2010, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.

http://www.youngrepublicans.com/ (http://www.youngrepublicans.com/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 05, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
Krugman looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.


Sounds like you're projecting, bro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Eric P on July 05, 2010, 09:27:19 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on July 05, 2010, 08:42:20 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.

http://www.youngrepublicans.com/ (http://www.youngrepublicans.com/)

up to the minute action points!

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NRA Sues to Destroy Gun Records:  The National Rifle Association, warning that "a federal police force" is illegally compiling information on gun buyers, has filed suit against Attorney General Janet Reno to require the records used for the instant background check system be destroyed immediately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
Krugman looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.
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With well-reasoned and fact sourced arguments like those, it's a wonder your side is out of power.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2010, 11:17:35 PM
dude 1: *posts article*
dude 2: wow the author of that article sure is ugly. must have had a tough childhood
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 06, 2010, 04:49:55 AM
Even Reagan Wasn't a Republican. (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/10/even-reagan-wasn-t-a-reagan-republican.html)

Kind of old, but here's a pretty interesting article. I made a post about the subject a while ago, but this this article includes more info and more Republican presidents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 06, 2010, 07:00:24 AM
Reagan, Nixon, etc. were far superior to the current crap...er I mean crop of current GOP members because when their policies were unpopular, they would moderate their policies.  Post 1994 Republicans just keep pushing themselves further to the right, not really caring whether those views are supported by public opinion.  Now they're just the party of blind outrage, who will score some victories over the muddling incompetence of the Obama administration.  Although I could see those GOP victories reverse in 2012 if they fail to produce anything though I've been wrong before :teehee

Quote from: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
Krugman looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.
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Speaking from experience bro?  Beardo seems to be this socially marginalized poor kid who probably got made fun of at school for shitting his pants in the classroom.  Makes sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 06, 2010, 09:22:05 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 05, 2010, 10:50:50 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 05, 2010, 08:05:56 PM
Krugman looks like an adult version of the kid everyone made fun of in elementary school. The kid, whose mother dressed him, and who always had an extra pair of pants in his cubby because he would shit himself every so often.
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With well-reasoned and fact sourced arguments like those, it's a wonder your side is out of power.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2010, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 05, 2010, 01:43:27 PM
Well, it would be nice if we had better quality control so that the latest updates didn't break the game.  Even with all the bugs, it was arguably better at launch.  I mean, some of the patches improved the gameplay and accessibility, but most of them have been junk.

Mmm hmm.  Tell us about how much more free people were back then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 06, 2010, 10:24:16 AM
hey, one of our vice presidents was free to up and kill a motherfucker then flee to Louisiana and plot to take over half the continent like a super villain

now biden says something dumb and we get all up in arms

i think jay dub may be onto something

in other news, i found this hilarious

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/angle-sends-cease-and-desist-to-reid-for-reposting-her-own-website.php?ref=fpa

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The short version of the story is as follows: After the former state Rep won Nevada's Republican Senate primary, Angle's campaign took down most of its website, and later replaced it with a relaunched version that in some ways toned down her right-wing rhetoric. But Internet pages are rarely ever forgotten -- the Reid campaign saved the old version, and put up a website called "The Real Sharron Angle," reproducing the old content.

Then, they say, the Angle campaign sent them a cease-and-desist letter, claiming misuse of copyrighted materials in the reposting of the old website -- which was, of course, being posted for the purposes of ridiculing Angle. The Reid campaign has in fact taken down the site, rerouting visitors to another website that goes after Angle's positions, "Sharron's Underground Bunker."

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
I would so kill to create an alternative history so I could place 70s era Nixon in today's GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 11:33:42 AM
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"I think that two wrongs don't make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade."

-- Nevada U.S. Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R), quoted by the Huffington Post, on advising a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/08/quote_of_the_day.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 09, 2010, 11:55:08 AM
It's going to be hilarious to watch every vulnerable democrat lose EXCEPT Harry Reid.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 12:07:13 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 09, 2010, 11:55:08 AM
It's going to be hilarious to watch every vulnerable democrat lose EXCEPT Harry Reid.  :lol


Especially since he has a lot of money from big drug companies that are supporting him.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Drug-lobby-showers-money-on-its-hero-Harry-Reid-97882064.html (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Drug-lobby-showers-money-on-its-hero-Harry-Reid-97882064.html)


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 12:09:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 09, 2010, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 11:33:42 AM
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"I think that two wrongs don't make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade."

-- Nevada U.S. Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R), quoted by the Huffington Post, on advising a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/08/quote_of_the_day.html

Thank you for sharing this laudable anecdote.

I figured you'd be upset that the sanctity of child birth could be compared to a fruit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 09, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
I guess you must love him a lot then Beardo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 09, 2010, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 09, 2010, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 11:33:42 AM
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"I think that two wrongs don't make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade."

-- Nevada U.S. Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R), quoted by the Huffington Post, on advising a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/08/quote_of_the_day.html

Thank you for sharing this laudable anecdote.

if life gives you rape, make rapeade
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 09, 2010, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 09, 2010, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 11:33:42 AM
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"I think that two wrongs don't make a right. And I have been in the situation of counseling young girls, not 13 but 15, who have had very at risk, difficult pregnancies. And my counsel was to look for some alternatives, which they did. And they found that they had made what was really a lemon situation into lemonade."

-- Nevada U.S. Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R), quoted by the Huffington Post, on advising a young girl raped by her father against seeking an abortion.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/07/08/quote_of_the_day.html

Thank you for sharing this laudable anecdote.

if life gives you rape, make rapeade

As long as it's not coming from the federal government
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 12:29:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 09, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
I guess you must love him a lot then Beardo.


Thats how I make all of my political decisions. Who has more corporate dollars supporting them.

If only I had some kind of meaningful political philosphy like liberals.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 09, 2010, 12:40:19 PM
but i thought political donations are a form of protected speech  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 09, 2010, 01:23:27 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 12:29:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 09, 2010, 12:09:26 PM
I guess you must love him a lot then Beardo.


Thats how I make all of my political decisions. Who has more corporate dollars supporting them.
Based on your candidate preferences it tends to seem that way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2010, 03:20:55 PM
Biggest Defaulters on Mortgages Are the Rich (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/business/economy/09rich.html)

Yet another data point refuting the idea that dirty poors, abetted by government largesse, crashed the economy.  Not that it'll make any difference with the people who choose to believe that story.

A couple years ago when conservatives first dredged up the CRA to explain the housing bubble (whose existence most of them had vehemently denied), it struck me that I was seeing the birth of a meme.  People were creating an alternative history which would be repeated and passed down within their community for years to come.

It was like seeing Landon Donovan score that goal against Algeria and instantly knowing I'd see it replayed on ESPN as an iconic moment decades from now, only way more depressing.

And yeah, all political groups and communities create their own shared narratives including liberals yadda yadda.  But this one 1) is just factually false, in ways that are (and have been) explained in simple terms, 2) precludes any discussion of what caused the massive downturn that cost millions of people their jobs or how to prevent it happening again, and 3) finds a way to blame the people who are already getting the shit end of the social contract, as if they need to be taught a lesson.

How is that right?  That's not right.


link via Prole
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
It's no secret that the majority of the people who got in during the housing bubble where already well off. Which means all this bailout for the mortgages and housing industry is helping rich people.


God Jon liberals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:35:48 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 03:41:17 PM
It's no secret that the majority of the people who got in during the housing bubble where already well off. Which means all this bailout for the mortgages and housing industry is helping rich people.


God Jon liberals.

I always enjoy your thoughtful insight into economic/political issues.
Title: Why do you say things that are not true? Fascinating.
Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
If it's no secret, then why are the National Review, Weekly Standard, Wall Street Journal, and Ron Paul telling me that the Community Reinvestment Act caused the bubble?  For that matter, why all the ink devoted to subprime mortgages in every conceivable media outlet the last few years?

Plus I could swear that the TARP funds went to recapitalize financial institutions rather than to mortgages and the housing industry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 09, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 09, 2010, 03:20:55 PM

How is that right?  That's not right.



sounds pretty Right to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
Because those laws have UNINTENDED consequences. A term that is lost on bleeding hearts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 09, 2010, 04:45:12 PM
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Minnesota state Rep. Tom Emmer, the presumptive Republican nominee for governor, has put forward a new policy for helping the state's businesses: Lowering the minimum wage for waiters and waitresses, and forcing them to rely more heavily on tips.

what do you think the unintended consequences for this would be?

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/07/05/emmer-small-business-tips/?refid=0&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MPR_NewsFeatures+%28News+%26+Features+from+Minnesota+Public+Radio%29
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2010, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 09, 2010, 04:45:12 PM
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Minnesota state Rep. Tom Emmer, the presumptive Republican nominee for governor, has put forward a new policy for helping the state's businesses: Lowering the minimum wage for waiters and waitresses, and forcing them to rely more heavily on tips.

what do you think the unintended consequences for this would be?

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2010/07/05/emmer-small-business-tips/?refid=0&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MPR_NewsFeatures+%28News+%26+Features+from+Minnesota+Public+Radio%29

lowering the deficit is the most important issue facing America
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 09, 2010, 07:12:07 PM
I like how repubs blame Clinton for signing the bill that repealed Glass-Steagal, while at the same time being against reinstating it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 10, 2010, 12:35:11 AM
I'd also like to ask Beardo why commercial real estate, which had no laws passed to benefit those darkies, and no New Deal institutions like Fannie and Freddie Mae to shake your fist at, are in as bad/worse shape then residential real estate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2010, 03:00:50 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
Because those laws have UNINTENDED consequences. A term that is lost on bleeding hearts.

So everybody knows that "the majority of the people who got in during the housing bubble where already well off", yet the bubble was caused by poor people getting CRA-regulated loans?

I may be just a simple Southern lawyer dimwitted liberal Utopian, but that strikes me as a wee bit contradictory.  Make it make sense for me.




Eric P:  Oh, I'd say the effects of that bill are pretty well intended.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on July 10, 2010, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2010, 03:00:50 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 09, 2010, 04:39:14 PM
Because those laws have UNINTENDED consequences. A term that is lost on bleeding hearts.
Eric P:  Oh, I'd say the effects of that bill are pretty well intended.
Needed to be quoted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 11, 2010, 02:09:06 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zgMrZVtq4[/youtube]

Combat Bibles for everyone!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 11, 2010, 08:03:58 AM
When even Bill O' the clown refuses swallow Palin's bullshit, you know the end times are coming.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/38286
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 11, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2010, 03:00:50 AM
yet the bubble was caused by poor people getting CRA-regulated loans?
??? I wasnt defending this theory.


Quote from: Mandark on July 10, 2010, 03:00:50 AM
Eric P:  Oh, I'd say the effects of that bill are pretty well intended.
The bill intended for the economy to crash and burn??
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 11, 2010, 08:03:58 AM
When even Bill O' the clown refuses swallow Palin's bullshit, you know the end times are coming.

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/38286

He's done this before. It seems like he's either using his interviews with her to pretend to be fair and balanced, or he really thinks she's a dumbass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2010, 12:01:18 PM
Overall I like Bill. The thing I hate is his "I don't know what's true or not" act which is used to make ridiculous claims or assertions, as well as the typical slanders he throws at dems/liberals. Everything else makes me chuckle, including the moral warrior act
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2010, 12:46:41 PM
also

This is a reflection not only on her unpreparedness, but the generally inadequate "solution" conservatives have for illegal immigration. NO AMNESTY makes for a nice bumper sticker, but it's not that simple on a policy level. I'd love to hear a plan on how to logically deport 12 million people, as well as the estimated cost of the operation. It's logistically impossible, and even if it was possible it would be a pretty ugly sight for all to see.

Crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants. Fix the broken process of becoming an American citizen, making it faster and more efficient; when liberals talk of illegal immigrants simply "getting in the back of the line" that's another case of a ridiculous solution, considering the line is broken. If increasing border control is required to get conservatives along, fine (although if you send 5k they'll want 6k, and when you send 6k they'll want 10k).

These solutions are far more logical, efficient, and far less costly than building a giant fence, deporting millions of people, and militarizing the border. I thought conservatives were supposed to be good at not wasting tax payer money "we don't have."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2010, 02:00:26 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 11, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
??? I wasnt defending this theory.

Then what unintended consequences were you talking about?  Clear up your antecedents, kid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on July 11, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
Quote from: Armitage on July 11, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
O'Reilly gets way more shit than he deserves online.  He's pretty clear that his show is an opinion show.  Hannity is on right afterwards and is leagues worse and doesn't have a sense of humor.  Bills probably feels like a Marxist in that place

LOL. No, dude. Being the thinnest kid at fat camp (to quote Jon Stewart) does not warrant any praise. Bill O'' might occasionally give his librul guests a chance to speak before cutting off their mic, but he's still a lying, opportunistic, staunchly anti-Obama doucebag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2010, 10:26:12 PM
i dunno

i'm kind of turning staunch  anti-obama...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on July 11, 2010, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 11, 2010, 10:26:12 PM
i dunno

i'm kind of turning staunch  anti-obama...

This is what happens when you start dating a Republican, even if he's a Jewish screenwriter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 11, 2010, 11:13:43 PM
It'd be far easier to become anti-Obama after all the disappointments this year if the alternative wasn't well, you know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 12:12:19 AM
Next year we'll get even more watered down bills to wring our hands over while the right paints them as socialist takeovers.

Huckabee 2012  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2010, 12:25:33 AM
Quote from: Eric P on July 11, 2010, 10:26:12 PM
i dunno

i'm kind of turning staunch  anti-obama...

Maybe Obama's suppressing his inner Stalin for his second term?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2010, 12:38:05 AM
Quote from: Eric P on July 11, 2010, 10:26:12 PM
i dunno

i'm kind of turning staunch  anti-obama...

Yeah.

Like, I understand that there are certain logistical limits to what he can do, but I really feel like they painted themselves into a corner by not making the argument immediately after he was inaugurated that the economic collapse was a direct result of TOO LITTLE F'N GOVT, and that guess what?  Fuck you banksters, we're taking your shit over, firing all of you and replacing you with non-sociopaths. 

Instead we've gotten failed attempts to convince Republicans that actually governing the country (beyond tax cuts and wars, of course) is a good idea, and here we are in shitsville. 

I'm pretty fairly disenchanted with him and could definitely see myself either not voting in 2012 or voting for a 3rd party candidate again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 01:02:49 AM
Don't forget the whole "freaking out over the deficit" thing. Still can't believe he's playing along with that bullshit in the middle of an economic crisis.

Like you said, it's not like he can say fuck yall and do whatever he wants. There are enough republicans and republi-democrats to ensure everything is held to the highest possible conservative standard (you know, the standard that was buried with Jimmy Hoffa during Bush's years). Unless democrats get rid of the filibuster in January. I forgot what made me ask Matthew Yglesias on twitter if he thought they would, and he basically said he didn't think democrats were interested in passing progressive legislation. The filibuster gives them an excuse, they won't get rid of it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2010, 01:41:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2010, 01:02:49 AM
Don't forget the whole "freaking out over the deficit" thing. Still can't believe he's playing along with that bullshit in the middle of an economic crisis.

Yeah, that's one thing that's absolutely baffling because it's both immensely stupid policy AND politics. I mean, it's not gonna make Joe Teabagger any more willing to vote democrat this fall. And the republicans will blame him for not cutting spending even if he does it. Not to mention cutting spending during a crucial time such as now could most likely end up increasing unemployment, which will increase the deficit as well...and goddamnobamayoustupidnigifijfoajfdoiajdgoiajfiajffdlkkfkflj


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Though, to give him some credit, he was the only one at the G20 summit that advised everyone to continue spending.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 12, 2010, 08:25:00 AM
Not to mention the one real debt breaker is health care - and how many of these "economic conservatives" are interested in reining in that?

Meanwhile, SS is probably one of the most stable, longterm successful programs out there and they're measuring it up for the chopping block (but not if you're over 58, disproptionatly voting seniors  ;) ) just because they can.

I saw the term "Catfood Commission" being bandied about and hope it catches on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 12, 2010, 12:24:43 PM
(http://anokchan.com/ws/src/127833472558.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 12, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
Quote
Yeah.

Like, I understand that there are certain logistical limits to what he can do, but I really feel like they painted themselves into a corner by not making the argument immediately after he was inaugurated that the economic collapse was a direct result of TOO LITTLE F'N GOVT, and that guess what?  Fuck you banksters, we're taking your shit over, firing all of you and replacing you with non-sociopaths.

Instead we've gotten failed attempts to convince Republicans that actually governing the country (beyond tax cuts and wars, of course) is a good idea, and here we are in shitsville.

I'm pretty fairly disenchanted with him and could definitely see myself either not voting in 2012 or voting for a 3rd party candidate again.

Obama and Co. dropped the ball repeatedly in almost every crucial moment and I won't be shedding tears when the collective Democratic asshole is prolapsed after November.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 12, 2010, 02:54:07 PM
Obama sucks, not going to vote him in again if all we get is Republican controlled legislation. Might as well let them take complete control if the Dems are going to let them walk all over them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 12, 2010, 03:38:03 PM
This explains a lot about people.


Quote
How facts backfire
Researchers discover a surprising threat to democracy: our brains

By Joe Keohane
July 11, 2010

It’s one of the great assumptions underlying modern democracy that an informed citizenry is preferable to an uninformed one. “Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government,” Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1789. This notion, carried down through the years, underlies everything from humble political pamphlets to presidential debates to the very notion of a free press. Mankind may be crooked timber, as Kant put it, uniquely susceptible to ignorance and misinformation, but it’s an article of faith that knowledge is the best remedy. If people are furnished with the facts, they will be clearer thinkers and better citizens. If they are ignorant, facts will enlighten them. If they are mistaken, facts will set them straight.

Maybe not. Recently, a few political scientists have begun to discover a human tendency deeply discouraging to anyone with faith in the power of information. It’s this: Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger.

This bodes ill for a democracy, because most voters — the people making decisions about how the country runs — aren’t blank slates. They already have beliefs, and a set of facts lodged in their minds. The problem is that sometimes the things they think they know are objectively, provably false. And in the presence of the correct information, such people react very, very differently than the merely uninformed. Instead of changing their minds to reflect the correct information, they can entrench themselves even deeper.

“The general idea is that it’s absolutely threatening to admit you’re wrong,” says political scientist Brendan Nyhan, the lead researcher on the Michigan study. The phenomenon — known as “backfire” — is “a natural defense mechanism to avoid that cognitive dissonance.”

These findings open a long-running argument about the political ignorance of American citizens to broader questions about the interplay between the nature of human intelligence and our democratic ideals. Most of us like to believe that our opinions have been formed over time by careful, rational consideration of facts and ideas, and that the decisions based on those opinions, therefore, have the ring of soundness and intelligence. In reality, we often base our opinions on our beliefs, which can have an uneasy relationship with facts. And rather than facts driving beliefs, our beliefs can dictate the facts we chose to accept. They can cause us to twist facts so they fit better with our preconceived notions. Worst of all, they can lead us to uncritically accept bad information just because it reinforces our beliefs. This reinforcement makes us more confident we’re right, and even less likely to listen to any new information. And then we vote.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 12, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
yeah, in my experience nearly everybody learns how to vote based on how their friends and family voted.  unless it's a "moral" issue like abortion or gay marriage or anything already deeply rehearsed.  Like I volunteer as an election officer and around election day, I get a bunch of calls asking how to vote on different propositions they don't know much about and I'm just like "Uh...read?".  They never ask me about those moral issues though as I'm the progressive mofo.

With gay marriage, I had some success in convincing people that it was not about gay marriage, it was about the mormon take-over of the legal system and that they would be getting too powerful and controlling the media, like the jews people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation.  real talk, that's how you debate politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 12, 2010, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 12, 2010, 06:05:37 PM

Liberals:  I Knew it!
Conservatives: I knew it!

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Nah, facts have a well-known liberal bias.  Beliefs are for the conservatrons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 12, 2010, 10:31:06 PM
clearly you have not hung out with the enviro-wacko set

much like libertarians, they have some facts and good observations buried under all that insane whackadoodle crazy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 13, 2010, 02:51:09 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 12, 2010, 01:44:07 PM

Obama and Co. dropped the ball repeatedly in almost every crucial moment and I won't be shedding tears when the collective Democratic asshole is prolapsed after November.

This.

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 12, 2010, 02:54:07 PM
Obama sucks, not going to vote him in again if all we get is Republican controlled legislation. Might as well let them take complete control if the Dems are going to let them walk all over them.

This.

Title: Shorter last page of this thread: whine whine whine wank wank wank
Post by: Mandark on July 13, 2010, 02:59:47 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 12, 2010, 12:38:05 AM
I'm pretty fairly disenchanted with him and could definitely see myself either not voting in 2012 or voting for a 3rd party candidate again.

The joyous citizens of Fallujah thank you for your role in making the Nader administration possible.
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Post by: Smooth Groove on July 13, 2010, 03:03:19 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2010, 02:59:47 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 12, 2010, 12:38:05 AM
I'm pretty fairly disenchanted with him and could definitely see myself either not voting in 2012 or voting for a 3rd party candidate again.

The joyous citizens of Fallujah thank you for your role in making the Nader administration possible.

Jew too?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 13, 2010, 03:37:48 AM
If you wanted a hands-on president, you should've voted for a white guy geniuses.

Hell, I remember everybody praising his restraint for ignoring the birther, doomsday, freemarketer distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and now NAAAHOOOOH@@! he's a lame duck!  He didn't undo a stalemate in the senate.  WTF?  Why didn't some black guy 1/3 through his first senate term have the connections to get republicans to agree with him?  Is it because he's a pussy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2010, 06:29:22 AM
Hey Mandark, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the following articles:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/21/obama/index.html

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/22/impotence/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 13, 2010, 03:37:48 AM
If you wanted a hands-on president, you should've voted for a white guy geniuses.

Hell, I remember everybody praising his restraint for ignoring the birther, doomsday, freemarketer distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and now NAAAHOOOOH@@! he's a lame duck!  He didn't undo a stalemate in the senate.  WTF?  Why didn't some black guy 1/3 through his first senate term have the connections to get republicans to agree with him?  Is it because he's a pussy?

I hate to say I predicted all this way back when...

But I predicted all this way back when.

Mainly progressive disillusionment they created from masturbatory fantasies.

I'm no more or less inclined to vote than I was in 2008. But then my expectations I consider were always realistic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2010, 12:24:29 PM
Quote
Minnesota state Rep. Tom Emmer, the presumptive Republican nominee for governor, made an interesting campaign stop over the weekend as part of his damage control efforts for having supported policies that would effectively lower the minimum wage for waiters: He became a waiter for a day, serving tables at a Mexican restaurant.

HE TOOK THEIR JRRRBS
Title: Re: Shorter last page of this thread: whine whine whine wank wank wank
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2010, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2010, 02:59:47 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 12, 2010, 12:38:05 AM
I'm pretty fairly disenchanted with him and could definitely see myself either not voting in 2012 or voting for a 3rd party candidate again.

The joyous citizens of Fallujah thank you for your role in making the Nader administration possible.

This shit again?  Gore lost in a bunch of states he shouldn't have, and could have had mine and plenty of other people's votes by being more authentic and not such a bland jackass.  Fucks sakes, he lost his home state.  And then of course, there was the fact that he probably won Florida but who the fuck can tell.  He should have wanted it more and been more of an asshole.  That's how you get things done.

Besides which, Gore probably would have invaded Iraq too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2010, 04:19:08 PM
Besides which, you neatly sidestepped any substantive criticism of what Obama's done so far.  I'd honestly like to hear your take.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 13, 2010, 10:01:35 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 13, 2010, 03:37:48 AM
If you wanted a hands-on president, you should've voted for a white guy geniuses.

Hell, I remember everybody praising his restraint for ignoring the birther, doomsday, freemarketer distinguished mentally-challenged fellows and now NAAAHOOOOH@@! he's a lame duck!  He didn't undo a stalemate in the senate.  WTF?  Why didn't some black guy 1/3 through his first senate term have the connections to get republicans to agree with him?  Is it because he's a pussy?

I hate to say I predicted all this way back when...

But I predicted all this way back when.

Mainly progressive disillusionment they created from masturbatory fantasies.

I'm no more or less inclined to vote than I was in 2008. But then my expectations I consider were always realistic.

Dunno about everyone else, but I supported Obama cause I thought he was gonna be center-left instead of center-right like he actually seems to be. Even during the campaign I didn't think he ever made himself out to be a super liberal. (he didn't even support gay marriage!)

I'm definitely disappointed with Obama making so many concessions, but I'd still support him given that the other side are clinically insane.

But yeah, I guess I was just expecting more FDR (at least on financial reform, good god wtf?), and less Clinton.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2010, 01:35:18 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 13, 2010, 04:18:10 PM
Besides which, Gore probably would have invaded Iraq too.

And George W would have become T Boone Pickens. Then Michele Steele's message of passionate conservative change would make him the first black president of the US
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2010, 06:48:19 AM
It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance and party loyalty to be behind Obama these days.  I can understand not turning the US to a time before Reaganomics but it doesn't explain why he's bungled nearly every major initiative he's pushed, with the exception of immigration reform but given time, he'll find a way to bungle that as well.  My main beef with Obama is that he has done nearly everything poorly almost to where if I were to don a tinfoil hat, I'd suggest he was sabotaging his own initiatives so heavily watered down legislation was the only thing that was produced.

Besides, if what we were getting was Bush-lite, I would (and many others) have voted for Hillary in the primaries.  Can't get too upset at people being disappointed that an elected official fell well short of the mark and that is even after a few rational goal post adjustments towards the right wing.  Polling numbers seem to indicate that Obama is rapidly losing ground as well.  Sorry but making some snide or bitchy, snarky remark isn't going to amount to shit these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 14, 2010, 06:48:19 AM
My main beef with Obama is that he has done nearly everything poorly almost to where if I were to don a tinfoil hat, I'd suggest he was sabotaging his own initiatives so heavily watered down legislation was the only thing that was produced.
That or complete retardican obstruction.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 13, 2010, 04:18:10 PM


Besides which, Gore probably would have invaded Iraq too.
Explain this please. Gore was adamantly against the Iraq War since day one back before most Democrats came out against it.
Title: Re: Shorter last page of this thread: whine whine whine wank wank wank
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2010, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 13, 2010, 04:18:10 PM


Besides which, Gore probably would have invaded Iraq too.
Explain this please. Gore was adamantly against the Iraq War since day one back before most Democrats came out against it.

He also had the luxury of not being an elected official and needing to curry favor with PACs and wealthy assholes, you fucking halfwit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on July 14, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 14, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 14, 2010, 06:48:19 AM
My main beef with Obama is that he has done nearly everything poorly almost to where if I were to don a tinfoil hat, I'd suggest he was sabotaging his own initiatives so heavily watered down legislation was the only thing that was produced.
That or complete retardican obstruction.

Have you forgotten who controls congress? Healthcare could have been passed Day 1 if it wasn't for democrats holding out.
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Post by: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 14, 2010, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 13, 2010, 04:18:10 PM


Besides which, Gore probably would have invaded Iraq too.
Explain this please. Gore was adamantly against the Iraq War since day one back before most Democrats came out against it.

He also had the luxury of not being an elected official and needing to curry favor with PACs and wealthy assholes, you fucking halfwit.
Then why didn't Bill Clinton invade Iraq? And why did George H.W. Bush push back against those in his administration who wanted to invade?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 14, 2010, 10:56:27 AM
because 9/11 changed everything
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
You keep forgetting that Clinton DID bomb the shit out of Iraq a couple times.  If something like 9/11 had happened on his watch, he probably would have ended up there too.  Shit was inevitable, just like bad romantic comedies continuing to do big box office because women are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2010, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 14, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 14, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 14, 2010, 06:48:19 AM
My main beef with Obama is that he has done nearly everything poorly almost to where if I were to don a tinfoil hat, I'd suggest he was sabotaging his own initiatives so heavily watered down legislation was the only thing that was produced.
That or complete retardican obstruction.

Have you forgotten who controls congress? Healthcare could have been passed Day 1 if it wasn't for democrats holding out.
How many republican bills needed 60 republican votes to pass?

Also, can you name one positive thing the republicans have done for Americans(the other 99%) in the past 50 years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2010, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 14, 2010, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 14, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 14, 2010, 09:02:25 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 14, 2010, 06:48:19 AM
My main beef with Obama is that he has done nearly everything poorly almost to where if I were to don a tinfoil hat, I'd suggest he was sabotaging his own initiatives so heavily watered down legislation was the only thing that was produced.
That or complete retardican obstruction.

Have you forgotten who controls congress? Healthcare could have been passed Day 1 if it wasn't for democrats holding out.
How many republican bills needed 60 republican votes to pass?

Also, can you name one positive thing the republicans have done for Americans(the other 99%) in the past 50 years?

Eh...though I'm not a Republican, many pre-dubya Republican presidents weren't as uniformly terrible in almost every area as Bush. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Richard Nixon created the EPA.  Dubya created the "do not call" list for telemarketers.  Other than that, it's been pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Shorter last page of this thread: whine whine whine wank wank wank
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2010, 06:41:29 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 14, 2010, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 13, 2010, 04:18:10 PM


Besides which, Gore probably would have invaded Iraq too.
Explain this please. Gore was adamantly against the Iraq War since day one back before most Democrats came out against it.

He also had the luxury of not being an elected official and needing to curry favor with PACs and wealthy assholes, you fucking halfwit.

Which is similar to why I'll always believe Obama would have voted either for the war in Iraq, or "present" if he was actually a senator at the time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on July 14, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
(http://www.lookingattheleft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/MG_0200.jpg)

I find this whole "mosque at ground zero" discussion amazing, the old Frankie Boyle joke is becoming a reality and noone realises how brilliant the idea is!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2010, 07:15:44 PM
Second sign lol. I guess we're only to compare ourselves to the standards of godless turrists when it benefits our political agenda
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 14, 2010, 07:40:38 PM
I spoke about this with my super person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation grandfolks over the weekend, and they stopped just short of siding with the bigots on this issue. It was totally discouraging. Talking about recent Israeli gaffes and my growing disdain for the President escalated into a full-on shouting match. If there's ever a time I feel pretty conservative, it's after visiting old, Jewish relatives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 14, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on July 14, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
I find this whole "mosque at ground zero" discussion amazing, the old Frankie Boyle joke is becoming a reality and noone realises how brilliant the idea is!

what's the joke?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Comparing the WTC site to Mecca? lol. I didn't realize the WTC was a christian iconic site of worship.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on July 14, 2010, 08:20:04 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 14, 2010, 07:49:03 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on July 14, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
I find this whole "mosque at ground zero" discussion amazing, the old Frankie Boyle joke is becoming a reality and noone realises how brilliant the idea is!

what's the joke?


hm. tried to find it on youtube, no luck. it's this:

http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/boyled.mp3 (http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/boyled.mp3)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2010, 09:45:46 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 14, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
I didn't realize the WTC was a christian iconic site of worship.
It's the pinnacle of supply side Jesus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 14, 2010, 10:50:06 PM
from tpm:

Quote
On a serious note, I wanted to draw your attention to the news today about Dick Cheney's latest heart setback. The reports have, on their face, been fairly upbeat, with Cheney himself issuing a statement about the surgery he had last week to implant a pump to help his heart overcome his congestive heart failure. The surgery was a success, Cheney is resting comfortably, etc.

But reading between the lines, you're left with the distinct impression that Cheney, 69, is entering the late stages of congestive heart failure, that his prognosis is not very good, and that the available treatment options are very limited. That's my lay person rendering after a close read of this afternoon's reports. Here's a more informed read from TPM Reader JK:

I'm a surgeon and just read your wire story about Dick Cheney getting a Left Ventricular Assist Device (LVAD) placed. The story downplays the seriousness of that procedures...once you've got an LVAD in place, it means your heart is essentially incapable of working on its own and has no potential to improve. While LVAD outcomes have been improving, and some patients live months or even years with one of these devices in place, this is a HUGE operation with MAJOR associated morbidity and mortality. If he's not listed for a heart transplant, his days are seriously numbered. Life on an LVAD isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy...an axiom that this situation really tests. He's in for a rough time.We've known for a long time that Cheney is suffering from serious heart disease. He has known his fate and been upfront about it. But it does appear that things have entered a new and more serious stage, even if he and everyone else knew it would come eventually.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/07/grim.php#more (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/07/grim.php#more)

what a shame
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2010, 10:57:11 PM
:violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 15, 2010, 12:47:17 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 14, 2010, 04:22:25 PM
Richard Nixon created the EPA.  Dubya created the "do not call" list for telemarketers.  Other than that, it's been pretty terrible.
Wasn't the EPA pretty much only made because of DDT paranoia?  IIRC, the EPA head was actually from the Audubon society and wasn't even a scientist.  There were seven months of testimony on the possible danger of DDT after which the trial judge ruled that DDT posed no threat humans or wildlife, and the the head of the EPA, who hadn't attended a day of the hearings or even read the transcript, overturned his decision and ruled that DDT was carcinogenic and that it had to be pretty much entirely banned.

At least originally, it seems like the EPA was an entirely political and bullshit entity.  It might be a lot more scientific and transparent today though, but I see no reason to praise Nixon for creating it.  I can believe that Nixon created it only for the PR bonus and not because he had any respect for science or the environment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 15, 2010, 08:25:41 AM
CNN has been reduced to putting up hatespeech with no counterpoint in its attempt to be fair and balanced.

http://on.cnn.com/9yh8Ty

Even the headline is kind of creepy, but that could be forgiven if the article had the balls to say "hey, it ISN'T a dishonor to the dead to have a Muslim near the site"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 15, 2010, 08:48:31 AM
It's not even a mosque they're building. Why does everyone keep calling it a mosque? It's like a 13-story community center, with a mosque inside it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 15, 2010, 08:51:38 AM
Nothing honors the dead like a discount clothing store. I will not stand for it being replaced.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2010, 08:53:09 AM
1. it's not being built on Ground Zero
2. what country do conservatives think they live in? the mosque property was legally purchased/zoned/etc, it's their right to put it there
3. one of the most popular conservative arguments against Muslims/blacks/brown people/etc revolves around them not denouncing the fringe groups, whether they be black panthers or terrorists. Yet here we have muslims denouncing terrorism, opening a very visible center for all to see, and integrating into the culture yet it's a problem apparently.

And if/when some conservative fucktard bombs the place I wonder how long it will take before conservatives/Fox News wonders whether the moslems brought it on themselves. I can just imagine Gretchen Wilson saying "what's the term Ron Paul used about 911? I don't think it applies for 911 that's disgusting, but in this case I think it's fair to ask right?"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 15, 2010, 09:29:13 AM
What's the best way to protest a community center with Muslim-faith prayer services? Why, build a mega church right next to it! :lol

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In response to a proposed mosque blocks from ground zero, controversial televangelist Bill Keller announced on Tuesday that he plans to open a Christian center nearby.

"How do you battle the darkness? With the light!" he states on the 9/11 Christian Center at Ground Zero website.

Rather than hold protests over the Cordoba House – a 15-story facility that project leaders claim will promote tolerance, help improve Muslim-West relations, and serve as a platform for people of all backgrounds to come together – Keller says he wants to take "an ongoing stand" against the mosque in a meaningful way.

The Christian center will serve to "combat this new evil being constructed near ground zero" and "bring people the Truth of God's Word and the love and hope of Jesus Christ," the fire-and-brimstone preacher states.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bagofeyes on July 15, 2010, 09:38:53 AM
you guys should build a synagogue in mecca
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 15, 2010, 09:48:54 AM
oh man

i just don't even know what to say.

apocalyptic american tradition just drives me insane
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 15, 2010, 09:53:25 AM
Anecdotal evidence and all, but Jesus was supposed to come back 20 years ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 15, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
Probably the most offensive political ad I have seen thus far:

[youtube=560,345]mjGJPPRD3u0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2010, 12:35:07 PM
They're building the mosque to celebrate 911?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 15, 2010, 12:35:44 PM
The best part about that video is the subtle insinuation that our secret Muslim Kenyan President won't stop the project... or is he behind it altogether?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 15, 2010, 12:55:40 PM
I like the idea that they want the fed. government to stay out of local affairs yet implying Obama isn't doing enough to stop this action being done which is done at a local government level.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2010, 01:59:09 PM
"Kill the mosque"? Seriously?

what happened to being able to worship your faith wherever you wanted. oh wait, it only applies to Christians  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2010, 02:17:46 PM
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/docpage-dignity8.jpg)
 :lol :lol :lol

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2010/07/the-us-armys-official-comic-book-on-dadt.php?page=2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 15, 2010, 02:58:15 PM
(http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/docpage-dignity2.jpg)

Q: Please identify homosexual conduct here

A: The soldier in the first row, 2nd from left is the one known as Pheonix Dark
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 15, 2010, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 15, 2010, 11:47:30 AM
Probably the most offensive political ad I have seen thus far:

[youtube=560,345]mjGJPPRD3u0[/youtube]
Holy shit at the cross made out of I-beams. :rofl  Not surprisingly, networks are refusing to air the spot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2010, 08:34:55 AM
Ta-Nehisi Coates great article on the underlining racism in the tea party
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/the-case-against-the-naacp/59793/


Tea Party proving it's not racist
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tea-party-express-mark-williams-naacps-use-of-colored-makes-it-racist.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2010, 09:38:51 AM
ha ha ha

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 16, 2010, 12:33:22 PM
holy fuck let's post that for everyone that doesn't click the link.  excerpts are from the blog of Mark Williams, national spokesman for the Tea Party Express:

Quote
Here's a sample (the post is written in the form of a mock letter to President Abraham Lincoln from Ben Jealous, president of the NAACP):

    "We Colored People have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

That's just the introduction. Here's the good stuff:


    "Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government "stop raising our taxes." That is outrageous! How will we Colored People ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

    Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong."

Again, for the record: this how an official at the Tea Party Express explains how not racist the Tea Party is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 16, 2010, 02:31:34 PM
[youtube=560,345]ZtH7vH4yRcY&NR=1[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2010, 01:48:01 AM
[youtube=560,345]UTeVfkji9HE[/youtube]

got to be shitting me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 17, 2010, 03:36:21 AM
Are you offended by the term "colored people", PD?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2010, 03:49:03 AM
No. It's outdated language, just like negro. I've heard my grandparents use both terms multiple times. This tea party guy takes the cake in terms of being a dumbass. I've never been a fan of the NAACP, but the idea that they're racist because "they" call black people colored is the dumbest thing I've heard all year. He must realize that's a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged argument. All this does is further show how inept and categorically stupid the tea party is.

And how laughable is his outrage over the word colored. It doesn't take a genius to guess his real opinion would go something along these lines: "why is it offensive? everyone is technically colored, we all have a color. I don't see why it's not ok to call one group of people colored, but it is ok to call another group of people colored. I'm tired of political correctness ruining this country."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 17, 2010, 08:29:30 AM
I listen to Rush, Sean, and Glenn.  As much as people suggest Glenn is the most radical of the three, they all say the same thing basically.  All of them say that NAACP is the real racist organization, that tea partiers are never racist, that the tea party is a racially diverse group of people (in spite of those signs that we've seen) and that the NAACP is racist for being racially divisive over the issue.  Now they are trying to link the NAACP to the New Black Panther Party.  It is only a matter of time before they start linking it to the Obama administration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 17, 2010, 09:09:31 AM
Haha, it's impossible for the Tea Party to be racist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2010, 09:37:58 AM
I for one can't wait for the new Republican Congress to look into possible links between the Obama administration and the New Black Panther Party.  Also his birth certificate, etc etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bagofeyes on July 17, 2010, 09:53:45 AM
'tea party' sounds so gay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 17, 2010, 06:25:08 PM
Quote from: bagofeyes on July 17, 2010, 09:53:45 AM
'tea party' sounds so gay

Should change it to 'tea baggers'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 17, 2010, 06:43:38 PM
shut up fool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2010, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 17, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Indeed.

It is much more accurate to call the NAACP racist because they believe that people should be treated differently in the eyes of the law on the basis of race.
           /
 :himu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 18, 2010, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2010, 10:36:44 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 17, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Indeed.

It is much more accurate to call the NAACP racist because they believe that people should be treated differently in the eyes of the law on the basis of race.

           /
 :himu

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 18, 2010, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 17, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Indeed.

It is much more accurate to call the NAACP racist because they believe that people should be treated differently in the eyes of the law on the basis of race.
How dare the NAACP infringe on your white privilege.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on July 18, 2010, 04:54:27 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 17, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Indeed.

It is much more accurate to call the NAACP racist because they believe that people should be treated differently in the eyes of the law on the basis of race.

Yes, the Tea Party and its officials aren't racist when the spokesman of the Tea Party Express snidely insinuates that black people are too lazy to work for their government-provided HD TEE VEES and are too stupid to think for themselves and instead prefer to pick cotton as slaves (where they belong).

John Calhoun would be proud, JayDubya, you fucking dimwit shitbag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 04:57:17 AM
How come race satire is fine when Chris Rock does it, but not ok when a white guy does it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2010, 06:34:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 04:57:17 AM
How come race satire is fine when Chris Rock does it, but not ok when a white guy does it!

You ever notice how there's no WHITE history month?

Think about it. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bagofeyes on July 18, 2010, 06:39:04 AM
Quote from: Tristam on July 18, 2010, 04:54:27 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 17, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Indeed.

It is much more accurate to call the NAACP racist because they believe that people should be treated differently in the eyes of the law on the basis of race.

Yes, the Tea Party and its officials aren't racist when the president of the Tea Party Express snidely insinuates that black people are too lazy to work for their government-provided HD TEE VEES and are too stupid to think for themselves and instead prefer to pick cotton as slaves (where they belong).

John Calhoun would be proud, JayDubya, you fucking dimwit shitbag.

lol, ouch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2010, 11:14:43 AM
I literally erupted into a John McEnroe-inspired battle cry of, "You cannot be serious!" when I read JayDubya's reply. He is the best Internet troll ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2010, 12:00:14 PM
The tea party is all about that *wink wink* type racism.  The "It's ok, I have a black friend!" type of racism or "I don't mean to be racist but why are black people so lazy?" type of racism.

The tea party is just a 21st century variant on the "state's rights" set.  I'll be interested in hearing how tea baggers will react if their elected candidates vote hard right authoritarian like we know they all will, much like their anointed leader, Dick Armey, voted when he was in Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 12:04:06 PM
If they don't care that Reagan raised taxes, spending, and the deficit, why the fuck would they care what Michelle Bachman does when republicans take over?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2010, 12:08:26 PM
Because Republican overspending is always justified as long as it is used against commies, a-rabs, and illegal aliens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 02:09:41 PM
All men are created equal, but the playing field isn't equal for all men.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
in b4 "bubububu a black man won the presidency"
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 18, 2010, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 18, 2010, 11:14:43 AM
I literally erupted into a John McEnroe-inspired battle cry of, "You cannot be serious!" when I read JayDubya's reply. He is the best Internet troll ever.

Being an internet troll implies that you are a joke character, not just an intentionally ignorant fool whose beliefs are a joke.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 18, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
Ta-Nehisi Coates nailin' it, just fucking nailin' it.

Quote from: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/the-naacp-is-right-cont/59899/
The NAACP Is Right, Cont.
Jul 16 2010, 1:00 PM ET |  Comment

Dave notes the following ridiculous statement from Tea Party Patriot leadership:

Quote
The NAACP has long history of liberalism and racism. If you are a conservative -- including a conservative African-American -- there is no room for you at the NAACP. If you have opinions that differ from the NAACP and the liberal establishment, and if you are African-American, you are an "Uncle Tom," a "negro," "not black enough" and "against our people."

Citing his own posts, Dave asserts:

Quote
When I said the NAACP's move would backfire, I meant things like this would happen. I didn't mean they were wrong to go down that road. It's just that they should know that calling out a group for "racism" is pointless -- whoever's been targeted will simply claim to have been attacked unfairly and had his free speech threatened.Remember what happened when Eric Holder said that America had been a "nation of cowards" in discussing race. Boom: Backlash. Anger. Debate over why he said it, but not what he meant. A year and change later we have a ridiculous national debate over whether Holder's department hates white people because it won't draw and quarter the New Black Panther Party. This stuff is what he meant, of course. But saying it isn't actually starting the debate. It's pretty obvious that the NAACP failed here.

One way of looking at the Tea Party Patriot statement on the facts. It is true that NAACP is fairly liberal. It is also true that Michael Steele is arguably the most prominent black conservative in America. He is also--among many other things--a member of the NAACP, and thus presumably part of a racist group.

To the extent that the NAACP has, as Dave says, "failed," it is because the arbiters of facts have ceded ground, and reporters and writers dutifully, and uncritically, dispense the notion that an organization which helped birth modern America has "a long history of...racism." But it also fails because there is very little pushback on this notion from "sensible" liberal writers. (I don't include Dave among them, mind you.) Instead we're getting calls for the president to condemn the NAACP, essentially, for being the NAACP.

Dave concedes that the NAACP has a case, but concludes that they're wrong for making it. But they're only wrong for making it because the broader society, evidently, believes that objecting to a call for literacy tests is, in fact, just as racist as a call for literacy tests. This inversion, this crime against sound logic, is at the heart of American white supremacy, and at the heart of a country that has nurtured white supremacy all these sad glorious years.

It is the Founders claiming all men are created equal while building a democracy on property in human beings. It is Confederates crying tyranny, while erecting a country based on tyranny. It is Sherman discriminating against black soldiers, while claiming that his superiors are discriminating against whites. It's Ben Tillman justifying racial terrorism, by claiming that he's actually fighting against terrorism. It is George Wallace defending a system built on bombing children in churches, and then asserting that the upholders of that system are "the greatest people to ever trod this earth."


Those who employ racism are not in the habit of confessing their nature--inversion is their cloak. Cutting out the cancer means confronting that inversion, means not wallowing in on-the-other-handism, in post-racialism, means seeing this as more than some kind of political game. Someone has, indeed, failed here. It is not the NAACP.




Quote from: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/a-final-thought/59924/
A Final Thought
Jul 16 2010, 3:25 PM ET |  Comment

Here is former head and current spokesperson for the Tea Party Express Mark Williams satirically responding to the NAACP:

Quote from: http://www.marktalk.com/blog/?p=10387
Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!

In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the 'tea party movement'.

The tea party position to "end the bailouts" for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn't that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.

And the ridiculous idea of "reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government." What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!

The racist tea parties also demand that the government "stop the out of control spending." Again, they directly target coloreds. That means we Coloreds would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.

Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government "stop raising our taxes." That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.

Sincerely

Precious Ben Jealous, Tom's Nephew
NAACP Head Colored Person

Williams has since taken the original down and posted a half-hearted justification. Mark Williams is the same man who has denounced Barack Obama as "Indonesian Muslim" and a "welfare thug." If Mark Williams is not a racist, then there are no racists in American society--a position which many, some liberals among them, no doubt find plausible.

It's been asked in comments, a few times, what good has come of the NAACP's resolution. I would not endeavor to speak for anyone but myself when I say that I owe the NAACP a debt of gratitude. I have, in my writing, a tendency to become theoretically cute, and overly enamored with my own fair-mindedness. Such vanity has lately been manifested in the form of phrases like "it's worth saying"  and "it strikes me that..." or "respectfully..."

When engaging your adversaries, that approach has its place. But it's worth saying that there are other approaches and other places. Among them--respectfully administering the occasional reminder as to the precise nature of the motherfuckers you are dealing with. It strikes me that this is a most appropriate role for the nation's oldest civil rights organization.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 18, 2010, 05:56:31 PM
Williams was kicked out of the tea party for that blog post.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/18/2010-07-18_tea_party_express_leader_mark_williams_expelled_over_colored_people_letter.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2010, 07:54:57 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/sarah-palin-calls-on-peaceful-muslims-to-refudiate-ground-zero-mosque.php#more
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 08:39:10 PM
REFUDIATE UR TWEET MOSLEMS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 18, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
"refudiate"?

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2010, 10:13:16 PM
no left wing, no anger at the left wing, no shoot outs
ergo, obama's fault
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 18, 2010, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 18, 2010, 10:09:51 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/18/BAG71EG92P.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/18/BAG71EG92P.DTL&tsp=1)

smh

Good shoot by the officers, glad none of them were seriously hurt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2010, 10:53:41 PM
Are JD's posts about racial politics in America actually worse than his other posts, or does it just seem that way to me because of the subject matter?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 11:10:28 PM
Nah he's just keeping FoC's memory alive
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2010, 07:54:57 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/sarah-palin-calls-on-peaceful-muslims-to-refudiate-ground-zero-mosque.php#more

Seriously, white America, knock it the fuck off. pls refudiate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 19, 2010, 08:38:12 AM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 18, 2010, 10:09:51 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/18/BAG71EG92P.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/18/BAG71EG92P.DTL&tsp=1)

smh

This never would have happened if it wasn't for that mega-mosque!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 19, 2010, 08:53:53 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/19/alvin-greene-speech-video_n_650676.html

They have really groomed Alvin Greene into a political superstar
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2010, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 19, 2010, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2010, 11:10:28 PM
Nah he's just keeping FoC's memory alive

Callandor ain't got nothing on me, though he clearly had good taste in fantasy novels.

Atlas Shrugged?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 11:30:57 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 19, 2010, 12:09:44 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 01:57:58 PM
Republicans. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/18/pete-sessions-nrcc-chair_n_650431.html) :lol

"We need to balance the budget!" :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 19, 2010, 04:34:51 PM
lol @ Eric P

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 01:57:58 PM
Republicans. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/18/pete-sessions-nrcc-chair_n_650431.html) :lol

"We need to balance the budget!" :lol

Saw that whole thing yesterday. Gregory (for once) did a halfway decent job as a moderator.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 04:39:58 PM
I wish the press would push these guys all the time, Democrats and Republicans alike.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 04:44:48 PM
Have you read that Top Secret America article over at the WaPost?

... that sounds like a total clusterfuck of monumental proportions. We are flushing so much fucking money down the toilet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 04:47:51 PM
We'd save so much money if streamlined security organizations, got rid of the Air Force (and absorb various elements into other arms of the military), stop fighting ground wars in other countries, created a single-payer heath care system, etc.

Y'know, shit that politicians will never do.

Sending aid to a shit hole like Haiti is a drop in the bucket compare to the amount of money we waste.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2010, 04:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 04:44:48 PM


... that sounds like a total clusterfuck of monumental proportions. We are flushing so much fucking money down the terrorlet.

fixed to reflect accuracy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 04:49:55 PM
Heh, true.

It amazes me that conservatives get up in arms about spending tax money on things that actually matter, like extending unemployment benefits, building infrastructure, health care, etc.

... but absolutely flushing money down the toilet on defense spending and foreign wars is a-okay. Our government spending is out of control, but nobody wants to address that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 04:54:04 PM
And before JayDubya gets all huffy, it's on both sides of the aisles: like millions of dollars spent on fucking signs to tell people that the road work is courtesy of the stimulus act.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 19, 2010, 05:16:47 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 19, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
Fixing the budget deficit means fixing defense/SS/medicare or raising taxes.  I'm with Willco that any politician not talking about those four things needs to fuck off.

The thing about the deficit is that the repubs have done a great job in convincing the Joe the Plumbers of the world that the only reason it goes up is because of spending. People should understand that you also get deficits by having tax cuts, since by definition, that's money that the government's not receiving.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 05:18:48 PM
The obvious answer is to cut taxes for small businesses and large corporations, so they can employ more people and we can collect more taxes from the new hires. /smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 19, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
Chris Matthews just destroyed Mike Pence on the Bush tax cuts and the deficit.

Also,

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/38454

Monica Crowley does a pretty decent job handling McConnell. And hell, John King was pretty tough on Mark Williams the other day.

When did cable news show hosts suddenly start acting like...REAL journalists? :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 19, 2010, 06:54:47 PM
On that Washington Post project (before having completed reading it, however):

I don't think the growth of the Intelligence apparatus is, on its own, outrageous.

In fact, I think strengthening of the Intelligence and law enforcement apparatus is the proper response to international terrorism.  That is to say, if you had this growth of "Top Secret America" without the costly wars of Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't think there would be room for alarm or bitching.

The wars were the wrong response to terrorism, intelligence is the right one.  Of course, it being America, it's still prone to go overboard even with the right response.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 07:02:40 PM
Even without the wars, Boogie, this is a colossal waste of money. Why do we have TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY ORGANIZATIONS handling all this work, many of it redundant and so clandestine that the entire system is incapable of working properly?

So, yes, if you're spending a ludicrous amount of money on a system that is so out-of-control that it is incapable of doing its job, then it is a waste of money.

I don't think anyone is for NOT strengthening law enforcement and intelligence agencies, but this is just insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2010, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 19, 2010, 04:41:23 PM
Fixing the budget deficit means fixing defense/SS/medicare or raising taxes.  I'm with Willco that any politician not talking about those four things needs to fuck off.

Fixing defense? What are you, a pacifist Iranian sympathizer?
Fixing social security? Sure, lets raise the retirement age to 70 :smug
Fixing medicare? You mean setting up a death panel for seniors?

(http://tinyurl.com/23493hs)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 19, 2010, 07:12:23 PM
On the Ed Show, it said there were 3,200 agencies, including both government and private.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2010, 07:28:06 PM
Intelligence needs to be beefed up. While there are many agencies, many are understaffed. Especially in the area of cyber-security for instance, where China and other nations are rapidly outpacing the US. I was listening to NPR this morning and they were saying agencies are literally desperate for qualified hackers/security people to play offense and defense for online systems.

I'd rather see money spent on intelligence than bombing brown people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 07:42:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2010, 07:28:06 PM
Intelligence needs to be beefed up. While there are many agencies, many are understaffed. Especially in the area of cyber-security for instance, where China and other nations are rapidly outpacing the US. I was listening to NPR this morning and they were saying agencies are literally desperate for qualified hackers/security people to play offense and defense for online systems.

I'd rather see money spent on intelligence than bombing brown people.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 07:43:35 PM
Maurice, we just had a WaPost article today cite 854,000 employees with top secret clearance, multiple organizations doing the same tasks, constructing large buildings for said agencies, employing security detail for staff, etc.

But clearly, the story you heard on NPR where we need more hackers for cyber-security means we need more intelligence people in general. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2010, 07:48:03 PM
David Broder writes for the Washington Post. Clearly NPR is a more respectable source of material, Federman :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 19, 2010, 08:21:17 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/19/2010-07-19_dem_congressman_rep_walt_minnick_rejects_tea_party_endorsement_after_mark_willia.html

A Congressman (Democratic) rejects the endorsement from tea baggers.  Not that I think this will be a trend this election season but hopefully it means that teabagging rallies will be phased out in the future, especially as the GOP wagons circle for 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 19, 2010, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2010, 07:28:06 PM
Intelligence needs to be beefed up. While there are many agencies, many are understaffed. Especially in the area of cyber-security for instance, where China and other nations are rapidly outpacing the US. I was listening to NPR this morning and they were saying agencies are literally desperate for qualified hackers/security people to play offense and defense for online systems.

I'd rather see money spent on intelligence than bombing brown people.

In no way does the American intelligence apparatus need "beefing up".

Do intelligence resources need to be better managed?  Absolutely.

But the United States has the largest intelligence infrastructure in the history of the world.  To suggest it needs "beefing up" in 2010 is absurd.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 19, 2010, 10:06:13 PM
Finished reading the main article now.

The main problem I get from the article (and it's not new, as it was something that was apparent in my studies in university) is overlap of intelligence.  Every arm of the Defence Department having its own intelligence services (which are warranted, as far as it goes), but gradual expansion and mission creep leads each individual agency/service to want to develop a more complete intelligence capability, and thus leading to overlap.

The very concept of the position of Director of National Intelligence is redundant/overlap.  Its entire existence is simply replicating the authority and power that the Director of Central Intelligence was supposed to have, but never has, ever since the creation of the CIA.

I still see quite a bit of overblown hysteria and theatrics in the project though.  That video intro, for example.  Calling the intelligence community a "fourth branch" of government?  C'mon.  It's bureaucratic largesse, not a sinister secret cabal.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 19, 2010, 10:40:40 PM
I don't think it's depicted as sinister, but it's a bit disingenuous to say that it has appropriate checks and balances like the rest of our branches, hence the comment.

It's not just the overlap, but the egregious abuse of tax payer money - like the SCIF rooms, needless security detail, etc.

The amount of money we're spending to erect or complete buildings for redundant agencies is out-of-control. That's what people are upset about. The cost of it all, not that there is some kind of shadow government or anything. And that's completely warranted, in my opinion. The series is pretty much trying to document the cost and size of the intelligence community; I'm not sure where how you pulled that opinion from the package.

This doesn't even address private agencies that are being contracted to do the same exact thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2010, 12:50:22 PM
This is on the back page of my local paper today:
(http://i32.tinypic.com/5fpwsm.jpg)
 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 20, 2010, 01:15:08 PM
Not only has Benjamin Jealous come out and condemn the New Black Panthers, which is an affiliation of like twelve people, but the NBP are not part of the NAACP. I don't understand what that has to do with the NAACP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2010, 01:24:50 PM
I like how he says in the second paragraph that "and exhaustive search on media reportage turns up no mention of sign like that" yet a simple google search shows hundreds of them.

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 20, 2010, 02:41:03 PM
"I used the Google!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2010, 11:59:58 PM
[youtube=560,345]nkdGGKPHwnk[/youtube]

This has become the most bizarre story of the year lol.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/naacp_backs_off_we_were_snookered.php

I love how the right is praising the woman they were smearing just a few hours ago, and have pivoted to attacking the NAACP again. "Aha, the NAACP didn't host a racist speaker...but they did throw her under the bus without knowing the full story! Just like the black panthers!" :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 21, 2010, 12:41:41 AM
I am still confused how the conservative media has gotten so rilled up about the black panthers lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 12:43:16 AM
I hate throwing the r word around, but I'm truly shocked at just how racist conservatives have shifted this month. It started with the NBPP case and Drudge labeling it as racial preference. It shifted to the NAACP and Michelle Obama telling black folk to raise their "intensity" - of course without explaining the speech was about getting in shape. Then it turned into a full blown war against the NAACP, tying them and Obama to the NBPP. And it culminated with the outrageous video of the USDA worker being edited to oblivion. The lie has been exposed and the right has simply moved on as if nothing happened.

If Obama didn't have her fired asap, the right would have spent the entire fucking day wondering why he didn't have her fired. Instead he did, and they criticize him for firing an innocent woman now that all the facts are out.

This has been one of the most disgusting stories I've witnessed in a long fucking time, and it's clearly not over. The economy is shit and November is near, what better time to make Obama the scary black man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 21, 2010, 06:15:28 AM
I listen to conservative talk radio while I'm out and about for the job.  Its a more raw version of their TV shows.  Basically their whole thing is that ever since the NBPP case was dismissed, the right has been crying foul and proclaiming their is a double standard, or in the words of Sean Hannity, a "two tiered" law system.  The right has trying to make connections of the NBPP to the NAACP.  It's a matter of time before they link the NBPP to Obama, suggesting that there is an anti-white cabal in power.

The Shirley Sherrod thing reminds me of the political jiu-jitsu in Nixonland.  The opposition gets the ruling power to crumble on something but the opposition complains regardless of the outcome.  The GOP is just fucking with the Democrats at this point because the Democrats act like they've already lost the midterm elections and assume the position (ie, a tucked tail between the legs) in spite of the election being three months away.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 21, 2010, 06:37:20 AM
Conservative talk radio is entertaining enough.  Except Glenn Beck who is thoroughly boring 9 times out of 10.

Beats listening to the same Ke$ha or Lady Gaga shit that has been overplayed to death.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2010, 08:40:46 AM
:bow Lithium
:bow Raw Dog
:bow Liquid Metal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2010, 09:21:32 AM
I believe it's channel 27, but if that ends up to be Octane then it's 21.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 09:44:59 AM
Remember when Eric Holder said the US is a nation of cowards on race and everyone got mad? Yeaaah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2010, 09:53:51 AM
The thing that make me chuckle a bit is the reply from the tea party/right over the NAACP allegations is basically "tit for tat". The NAACP asked them to denounce the TP's racist elements, instead, they point to a 2008 video and are bu...bu...bu.. NBPP!  ::)

Attack attack attack.... never defend
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 10:04:15 AM
That's because the Tea Party honestly views itself as a victim of a cruel, socialist government that may or may not hate white people. But probably does. Most likely. Not trying to race bait or anything, but the guy in charge is black. And maybe he wants revenge? Not being racist, just a thought.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 10:07:05 AM
That's how race issues are handled in the US. Remember when the Imus shit storm was happening and Fox news instead decided to focus on how prevalent the n-word is in rap music? Whenever a charge of racism is brought, someone in the conservative media attempts to deflect it back.

Yup Willco is right. It's entirely built on a bigoted, victim mentality. "I worked hard for mine, now the government wants to give it to those people at my expense. Like reparations!"
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/the-case-against-the-naacp/59793/
posted again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 11:33:05 AM
Coates with another great article on this bullshit

Quote
More disturbingly, this is what happens when you treat the arrest of a black man, in his home, as something that can be fixed over beers. This is what happens when you silently ascent to the notion that racism and its victims are somehow equally wrong. The ground, itself, is rigged with a narrative of inversion that goes back centuries. When you treat the two side as equals, expect not just more of the same. Expect worse.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/on-lacking-all-conviction/60134/

Obama is boxed in on race. He's no longer a candidate who can give a speech on race and have the media swoon over him. He's the president, and using his bully pulpit to discuss race in an election year is never a good idea. He's avoided nearly every racial issue, with the one exception being the embarrassing Gates situation - not only Obama's disappointingly dumb comment, but the beer-gate nonsense afterwards.

I don't expect Obama to come out and denounce the tea party, or for the White House to demand Steve King resign for racist comments. But I do expect some backbone in cases like this. Especially for an administration quite familiar with the tactic of edited, distorted videos that create deceptive narratives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 01:19:08 PM
There are not ::) big enough for this (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,597324,00.html).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 21, 2010, 01:34:11 PM
BLACK POWER ICE CREAM

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/07/17/obama-visits-black-power-ice-cream/

I'm not a racist.  i eat all the flavors in Neapolitan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2010, 01:42:41 PM
That has to be a troll site to troll righties.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2010, 01:50:36 PM
The media is largely to blame for all of this bullshit.  Instead of properly ignoring Breitbart because he's a disingenuous turd burglar, they feel they have to cover his BS or show their "librul bias" or whatever the fuck.  It's pretty obvious from the Obama Presidency and the coverage of the Tea Party Movement (they're Republicans, you ratfucks!) that our great media experiment is made of fail and lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2010, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 21, 2010, 01:34:11 PM
BLACK POWER ICE CREAM

http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/07/17/obama-visits-black-power-ice-cream/

I'm not a racist.  i eat all the flavors in Neapolitan

Reminds me of my favorite sports blog. (http://nationofislamsportsblog.blogspot.com/)

Sadly they haven't updated in forever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2010, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: Armitage on July 21, 2010, 06:05:30 AM
Out of curiousity what if any cable news shows do you guys watch regularly? I watch o'reilly because I'm a masochist and hannity because his show seems to be the hive where the "crazy GOP talking points" are born, though I'm sure he's mostly a middleman.

I watch Olbermann, Maddow, Chris Matthews, try and make an attempt to watch Fareed Zakaria's GPS (almost always miss it though). Every so often I watch a little bit of Bill O', Beck, and Hannity, just on the off chance that they may be right about anything. (LOL)

Really, though for any important right wing stuff, you just need Media Matters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2010, 07:58:17 PM
I'll ask this again. How the fuck does Shep Smith still have a job with Fox?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007210057?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 21, 2010, 08:14:19 PM
Maybe Shep has compromising pictures of Roger Ailes or Rupert Murdoch?

Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 21, 2010, 01:50:36 PM
The media is largely to blame for all of this bullshit.  Instead of properly ignoring Breitbart because he's a disingenuous turd burglar, they feel they have to cover his BS or show their "librul bias" or whatever the fuck.  It's pretty obvious from the Obama Presidency and the coverage of the Tea Party Movement (they're Republicans, you ratfucks!) that our great media experiment is made of fail and lose.

I agree.  The media went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow a while ago and finds new ways of exploring previously undiscovered niches of shitwittery.  Considering the prevalence of 24 hour news channels, there is a lack of competent journalism on TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
I read awhile ago that Shep is part of a strategy that Fox uses to deflect criticisms that the network is nothing but conservative editorial junk, by pointing to Shep and say, "Hah, how can you call us right-wing when we have Shepard Smith?!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 21, 2010, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
I read awhile ago that Shep is part of a strategy that Fox uses to deflect criticisms that the network is nothing but conservative editorial junk, by pointing to Shep and say, "Hah, how can you call us right-wing when we have Shepard Smith?!"


I would bet on it. 

i wonder how many people watching Fox News actually end up agreeing with him instead of the other douche nozzles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 21, 2010, 08:42:00 PM
Shep is probably a conservative but just not a far right winger like most of the people on the station.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2010, 09:04:53 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on July 21, 2010, 08:39:26 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 08:33:08 PM
I read awhile ago that Shep is part of a strategy that Fox uses to deflect criticisms that the network is nothing but conservative editorial junk, by pointing to Shep and say, "Hah, how can you call us right-wing when we have Shepard Smith?!"


I would bet on it. 

i wonder how many people watching Fox News actually end up agreeing with him instead of the other douche nozzles.

He doesn't pull in numbers like Bill O', Beck or Hannity, but considering he's you know, not completely insane, he still gets pretty damn high ratings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 10:05:38 PM
Olbermann dropping bombs
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#38353508
hold me, Willco  :interracial
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Anyone else starting to think Obama's a one-termer?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
I'm not sure he'll even make it through one-term!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
I'm not sure he'll even make it through one-term!

Reported to the FBI.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 10:17:52 PM
shitty economy, GOP obstruction, limp wrist action...

President Romney 2012 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 21, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
I'm not sure he'll even make it through one-term!

Reported to the FBI.

You couldn't stand to be a snitch to the cops. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 10:25:16 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 21, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 10:15:02 PM
I'm not sure he'll even make it through one-term!

Reported to the FBI.

You couldn't stand to be a snitch to the cops. :P

I already warned them Wrath was coming. :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 21, 2010, 10:39:04 PM
I think he'll be fine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 21, 2010, 10:42:38 PM
2 years is long way off...but someone has to cut the head off this bullshit going on right now before it gets out of hand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
Olbermann ended his rant with a plea for Obama to be Obama, to get these handlers away from him so he could do his thing. But maybe this is Obama being Obama. Maybe he wants to pass a bunch of big bills that may or may not do much of anything, avoid scandals/fights, continue trying to be some post-partisan political savior, leave the WH and have health care CEOs and banksters build him the biggest library in the world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 21, 2010, 10:59:15 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 21, 2010, 10:12:04 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Anyone else starting to think Obama's a one-termer?
Everyone?

Edit: Except Cheebs
Even I fail to see how he will win if he is nominated against someone like Mittens and the economy is still shitty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 11:02:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 10:57:40 PM
Olbermann ended his rant with a plea for Obama to be Obama, to get these handlers away from him so he could do his thing. But maybe this is Obama being Obama. Maybe he wants to pass a bunch of big bills that may or may not do much of anything, avoid scandals/fights, continue trying to be some post-partisan political savior, leave the WH and have health care CEOs and banksters build him the biggest library in the world.

I think it's an extremely sad thing that people have become so invested in this cult of personality built around Obama that they assume the reason his presidency has been so awful thus far is because of his "handlers."  He's the fucking president, if his presidency is going this way, it's because this is the way he wants it to go.

People still have this image of Obama in their brains as this kind of inspirational figure who's going to tilt the country in a progressive direction and get us out of this hole we're in, and they haven't realize he's just a political hack with a knack for speeches.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
I'm disappointed but at the same time, I honestly can't say he's been a bad president. He's getting shit done and is infinitely better than the GOP alternatives. Most of my frustration is due to the legislation side where a minority of fucktards hold the entire country hostage 24/7. Shit canning the filibuster would go a long way towards making the country better. It would also make voting more important
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 21, 2010, 11:10:45 PM
Obama would be a better dictator than President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 21, 2010, 11:14:02 PM
TEAM OF RIVALS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on July 21, 2010, 11:16:48 PM
Is this the part where PD says we should have voted Hillary.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 11:19:17 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 21, 2010, 11:16:48 PM
Is this the part where PD says we should have voted Hillary.
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I KNOW she would have done a better job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bagofeyes on July 21, 2010, 11:21:22 PM
you'd have lots of new women's rights. lolz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 11:23:27 PM
It'd be GENDER WARZ instead of RACE WARZ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2010, 11:25:37 PM
To be fair, I doubt Hillary would have navigated the sharks in both parties well enough to pass health care, or much of anything else big.

would have been interesting to see 18 months of sexist attacks on her from Beck/Fox though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2010, 11:42:45 PM
Quote from: Ichirou on July 21, 2010, 11:02:58 PM
People still have this image of Obama in their brains as this kind of inspirational figure who's going to tilt the country in a progressive direction and get us out of this hole we're in, and they haven't realize he's just a political hack with a knack for speeches.

I can't speak for everyone, but while I definitely thought he was an inspirational figure (and I still think he is to some degree), it didn't mean I thought he was perfect (hell, even during the campaign he said he didn't support gay marriage). Of course, those two things aren't mutually exclusive. I never thought he was some super progressive, but I was expecting him to be more center-left as opposed to center-right, such as how he seems to be governing.

But most importantly, I didn't think he'd be such a bitch-ass nigggggaaaa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdzJnfejAw8&feature=related).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2010, 11:48:07 PM
From what I've seen, from this administration forward, officials are going to live and be pronounced dead every other week.
Officials need to be voted on based on a body of work and not the flavor of the week. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on July 21, 2010, 11:49:56 PM
the hope of most rational people is that next cycle the tea party does well in primaries and then self-destructs when it matters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2010, 12:19:15 AM
Most of what is going on is expectations meeting reality and having ugly fucking legislative children.  Expectations are so hot, but reality is such a nasty looking bitch... then their children are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and no one is happy but we've got to live in this house with all of these assholes for god knows how long.

Honestly tho, I keep getting reminded on a daily basis now that I'm out circulating in society again that the majority (and I personally suspect a VAST majority, even most of the people who I would line up with on my side of the arbitrary political aisle) in America are fucking STUPID.  Like, seriously fucking dumb. 

Having said that, I personally think Palin is the 2012 nominee and Obama crushes her like Ed Norton curbstomping that dude at the beginning of American History X.  Cause Americans are stupid, but probably not fucking CRAZY.  Then again, I also think that it should be legal to hunt, kill, skin and eat members of the media at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 22, 2010, 09:31:22 AM
Quote from: Akala on July 21, 2010, 11:49:56 PM
the hope of most rational people is that next cycle the tea party does well in primaries and then self-destructs when it matters.

Yea right. there will be no organized left-wing response to the failings of newly elected republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 22, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
David Walker makes valid and stupid points, all the same. (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/07/21/the-problem-is-not-where-we-are-its-where-we-are-h.aspx)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2010, 03:49:35 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 22, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
David Walker makes valid and stupid points, all the same. (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/07/21/the-problem-is-not-where-we-are-its-where-we-are-h.aspx)

Argh.  Maybe it's overexposure to Robert Samuelson, but pieces like that always get under my skin.

Quote from: David Walker
Start with Social Security reform. Make it stronger for people in poverty, and less for people with higher incomes. Raise the retirement age to reflect life expectancy. In 1950, there were 16.5 people working for every Social Security recipient. Today it's around 2. When Social Security was created, senior citizens had the highest poverty rate. Today they have the lowest, children now have the highest. And what are we doing? We're promising more to seniors at the expense of our children and grandchildren. It makes no sense.

Yeah, poverty among the elderly has plummeted AS A DIRECT RESULT OF SOCIAL SECURITY MAILING THEM CHECKS EVERY MONTH.

There's a bunch more stuff in there but fisking is against my religion, and a tl;dr politix rant ain't worth the rising blood pressure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 22, 2010, 04:13:52 PM
I think what irritated me is that the article started off right, like he was trying to lure me in with a, "... both sides dun goofed up" and then swan dives into some painfully stupid rhetoric.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 22, 2010, 08:50:41 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLLo4gKeBBk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2010, 02:31:34 AM
[youtube=560,345]YYzU3wSfoq8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bagofeyes on July 24, 2010, 06:32:59 AM
go palin!

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show us your boobs!
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 24, 2010, 07:45:51 AM
First Texas, now Tennessee - 'murica is doomed.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 24, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
Quote from: bagofeyes on July 24, 2010, 06:32:59 AM
go palin!

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Anyone born around 1960 shouldn't be showing their boobs unless they had work done. Sagging.... :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bagofeyes on July 24, 2010, 09:25:32 AM
BOOB JOB?? (http://i31.tinypic.com/5kk2af.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 24, 2010, 09:26:47 AM
I don't think she'd like the pay cut of being President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 24, 2010, 09:29:59 AM
Quote from: bagofeyes on July 24, 2010, 09:25:32 AM
BOOB JOB?? (http://i31.tinypic.com/5kk2af.jpg)
You can have work done without getting the size increased!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 24, 2010, 05:05:01 PM
I wonder if Al Gore is likes happy endings or just straight up head?



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Post by: T-Short on July 24, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 24, 2010, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on July 24, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
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  :lol +  :yuck

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 24, 2010, 10:51:10 PM
:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 25, 2010, 01:59:59 AM
 :lol

Just laughed for 30 seconds straight.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2010, 12:21:01 PM
Good article on the "ground zero mosque" outrage
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/20/a-mosque-maligned/

Doesn't touch on the most pathetic comment so far: Gingrich's suggestion that since muslim nations would never build churches on their holy land, we shouldn't build mosques a few blocks away from on ground zero. Since when do we compare our freedoms to those of repressive countries? I thought conservatives weren't fans of Sharia law after all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 26, 2010, 12:18:34 AM
[youtube=560,345]1hvaeHllwtw&  [/youtube]




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 12:21:53 AM
I want to see him run against Alvin Greene
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2010, 12:30:15 AM
Oh my god that's the Nashville local news crew.  I can't believe they aired that.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 26, 2010, 12:59:06 AM
As a True American, I don't know if I can support someone with a French last name. I demand to see a birth certificate.


From Cohen's link:
Quote
WHAT IMPORTANT:
1.Education
a. School violents
b. Add reading of the minutes to the U.S.Congress mandatory
c. Get more of the lottery money to 1-12 



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 26, 2010, 02:30:00 PM
McCain needs a good cockpunch:

Quote
McCain On The Iraq War: ‘We Already Won That One’
Earlier this month, law professor Marjorie Cohn and Iraq Veterans Against the War board chairman Geoff Millard attended a reception to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the normalization of relations between the U.S. and Vietnam and spoke with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). When Millard introduced himself to the Arizona senator, Cohn reports that McCain dismissed the relevance of Millard’s organization:

When Geoff introduced himself as chairman of the board of Iraq Veterans against the War, McCain retorted, “You’re too late. We already won that one.” :smug

McCain is now the second U.S. official to declare “mission accomplished” in a war that continues to ravage the people and land of Iraq.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 26, 2010, 02:34:10 PM
Maybe McCain meant the first Gulf war. He is getting pretty old.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 26, 2010, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 26, 2010, 12:54:20 AM
I like his positions on healthcare:

c. See why dental is not in most plans a tooth aches hurt more than a back aches and no teeths depresses people

Who the fuck is going to argue with that? 

Basil Marceaux 2012

:american

http://politics.freesitenow.com/basilmarceauxforgovernor/ (http://politics.freesitenow.com/basilmarceauxforgovernor/)

He looks like he is dressed as a futuristic policeman from a movie made in the early 1970's:
(http://politics.freesitenow.com/basilmarceauxforgovernor/images/Basil.JPG)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 26, 2010, 03:20:33 PM
I think he's gonna be the villain in the new Judge Dread movie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2010, 03:31:25 PM
Judge Dredd vs Judge Dessert
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cubicle47b on July 26, 2010, 04:04:07 PM
Holy shit.  I thought the other 3 Republican candidates in Tennessee were bad but this...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
A new challenger appears

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Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, currently running third  in the state's Republican gubernatorial primary race, says he's not sure if Constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion apply to the followers of the world's second-largest faith, Islam.

At a recent event in Hamilton County, Ramsey was asked by a man in the audience about the "threat that's invading our country from the Muslims." Ramsey proclaimed his support for the Constitution and the whole "Congress shall make no law" thing when it comes to religion. But he also said that Islam, arguably, is less a faith than it is a "cult."

"Now, you could even argue whether being a Muslim is actually a religion, or is it a nationality, way of life, cult whatever you want to call it," Ramsey said. "Now certainly we do protect our religions, but at the same time this is something we are going to have to face."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tennessee-lt-gov-religious-freedom-doesnt-count-if-youre-muslim-video.php?ref=fpa
[youtube=560,345]2BkdofiIm0g[/youtube]
around 3:10 mark
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 26, 2010, 04:31:11 PM
would vote for a Marceaux/Palin 2012 ticket no questions asked.  Sorry Nobama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 04:39:22 PM
or as some call him, Nonambla
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:42:35 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:44:28 PM
Cenk Uygur from "The Young Turks" is guest hosting The Dylan Ratigan Show and he is awful on television. Lots of gaffes, dead air, etc. Guess cable television isn't the same as a YouTube podcast, eh?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 04:46:13 PM
There's nothing worse than clicking what seems to be an interesting video of some event only to realize it's actually a Young Turks video of them talking about said event. Worse than rickrolls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:47:42 PM
His prompter reading is like, public access bad. Just awful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2010, 04:50:37 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:44:28 PM
Cenk Uygur from "The Young Turks" is guest hosting The Dylan Ratigan Show and he is awful on television. Lots of gaffes, dead air, etc. Guess cable television isn't the same as a YouTube podcast, eh?

Yeah. Still way better than Dylan Ratigan, tho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:51:59 PM
No fucking way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2010, 04:54:42 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:51:59 PM
No fucking way.

I don't mean being a better T.V. personality. Ratigan spends way too much time complaining about how both sides are corrupt jackasses, and then invites a repubican of some sort and 7 time out of 10 doesn't call them out on their bullshit. It's annoying as hell. At least Cenk calls em out right then and there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 04:57:14 PM
Ratigan is a populist; I really haven't seen him give more respect to either party. I've got my problems with him, but not voicing complaints to Republicans is not one of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 05:52:26 PM
Yea dunno where you're getting that from T-EXP; Ratigan calls shit when he sees it, no matter who's on the toilet. My problem is with him sometimes going overboard on people who shouldn't be the target.

Ratigan>>>>>>>>>>>>Olbermann
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 05:53:24 PM
Yeah, Ratigan sometimes gets a full head of steam and loses it, and comes off very childish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2010, 06:17:32 PM
neither party is especially deserving of respect, anyhow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/ted_haggard_i_over-repented_for_my_meth-gay_prosti.php

no words  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 06:27:23 PM
He is the Michael Vick of Evangelicals! :lol

He should have added: "Roman Polanski needs to be making movies."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 06:32:28 PM
[youtube=560,345]jNYLUHMdN8A[/youtube]
2007
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 26, 2010, 06:34:51 PM
"Every time."

Sidehuggers :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2010, 06:35:04 PM
that freeze image is creepy as fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 26, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
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The profile describes Haggard's new backyard barn church, which features bags of cement and a pulpit made of buckets.

This is such a sad article  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 26, 2010, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/ted_haggard_i_over-repented_for_my_meth-gay_prosti.php

no words  :lol

And how did the purchase of meth factor in to this "massage gone wrong"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 26, 2010, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 26, 2010, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2010, 06:20:31 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/ted_haggard_i_over-repented_for_my_meth-gay_prosti.php

no words  :lol

And how did the purchase of meth factor in to this "massage gone wrong"?

I would think that would be a massage gone right. See Al Gore for a massage gone wrong. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 27, 2010, 11:11:45 PM
I like Jon Stewarts goatee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 28, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
I hate it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 28, 2010, 10:21:44 AM
He will shave it only when the oil has been cleaned up in the gulf. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 28, 2010, 12:21:13 PM
So never then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 28, 2010, 12:22:59 PM
I think it becomes him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 28, 2010, 02:19:10 PM
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He also thinks the Tea Party/New Republicans are going to fucking crush the democrats in the next three years.

*shudder*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:23:06 PM
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/07/28/sec-says-new-finreg-law-exempts-public-disclosure/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/07/28/sec-says-new-finreg-law-exempts-public-disclosure/?test=latestnews)
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Under a little-noticed provision of the recently passed financial-reform legislation, the Securities and Exchange Commission no longer has to comply with virtually all requests for information releases from the public, including those filed under the Freedom of Information Act.

anyone?


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At one rally half the speakers were non-white and he said he couldn't find a single non-white in the audience.

So in other words they are getting speakers from a variety of backgrounds and not only does it now decrease attendance it actually makes them more popular. It's almost as if they are encouraging diversity. Those racist bastards!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 02:24:51 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:23:06 PM

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At one rally half the speakers were non-white and he said he couldn't find a single non-white in the audience.

So in other words they are getting speakers from a variety of backgrounds and not only does it now decrease attendance it actually makes them more popular. It's almost as if they are encouraging diversity. Those racist bastards!!
Did I mention racism at all?

You implied it by trying to distinguish the crowd as "all white" and saying how hard they work to bring in "non-white speakers." And you said it as if it were a bad thing. The tea party (which i'm not a member of) has nothing to do with race.

I swear liberals are OBSESSED with race.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
As for all the research your fiend is doing, it's not surprising. Anyone that talks to real people in real life knows that the general consensus is that Obama is useless.

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:52:43 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 02:45:35 PM
Actually when he goes to a Tea Party gathering the organizers are quick to point out how diverse their group is and they introduce him to all these speakers of different origins and then he goes into the crowd and it paints a different picture entirely. 

I'm not sure I understand your point. Isn't this a good thing? They are going out of their way for diversity. It's like liberal porn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 28, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
As for all the research your fiend is doing, it's not surprising. Anyone that talks to real people in real life knows that the general consensus is that Obama is useless.

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
What's interesting is this massive Republican disconnect from what liberals are thinking.  I don't know a single liberal who isn't disappointed with Obama and yet talking to republican friends they still think we all still believe that Obama is heaven sent.

Yeah but liberals are mad because he somehow isn't liberal enough.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 28, 2010, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 02:18:31 PM
So a friend of mine is doing his PhD research on the new Right in America and they've been flying him around the country to attend Tea Party rallies/conventions/planning meetings and he was telling me about the hilarious efforts to make the Tea Party seem multi-racial.  At one rally half the speakers were non-white and he said he couldn't find a single non-white in the audience.  He also thinks the Tea Party/New Republicans are going to fucking crush the democrats in the next three years.

Does your friend feel pressue to dial-back on their craziness in order to make his thesis seem un-biased - like telling the most truthful honest account would come across as a hatchet job and he feels the need to blur the lines a tad for some good writing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 28, 2010, 04:08:26 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
What's interesting is this massive Republican disconnect from what liberals are thinking.  I don't know a single liberal who isn't disappointed with Obama and yet talking to republican friends they still think we all still believe that Obama is heaven sent.

Yeah but liberals are mad because he somehow isn't liberal enough.  :lol
Exactly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 28, 2010, 05:00:31 PM
If you're a tea partier, you're not necessarily racist, but if you're a racist, you're most likely a tea partier.

Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 03:36:33 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 03:26:30 PM
What's interesting is this massive Republican disconnect from what liberals are thinking.  I don't know a single liberal who isn't disappointed with Obama and yet talking to republican friends they still think we all still believe that Obama is heaven sent.

Yeah but liberals are mad because he somehow isn't liberal enough.  :lol

I'm guessing you think he's currently somewhere between Stalin and Mao, correct?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 28, 2010, 05:00:31 PM
I'm guessing you think he's currently somewhere between Stalin and Mao, correct?

Nah, he's just naive. I mean he's probably a nice guy. Just a lousy leader.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 05:21:24 PM
I actually think Obama gets more hate than he deserves. Like Bush, alot of hate should be directed towards such a terrible congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 28, 2010, 05:31:58 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 05:19:46 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 28, 2010, 05:00:31 PM
I'm guessing you think he's currently somewhere between Stalin and Mao, correct?

Nah, he's just naive. I mean he's probably a nice guy. Just a lousy leader.

Huh, seems we agree on that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
I guess, I'm most surprised that you guys actually thought he was gonna be different. I guess I can't really blame you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 28, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Who is someone out there you think would be a good president that could feasibly run for president Beardo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 28, 2010, 06:00:00 PM
Who is someone out there you think would be a good president that could feasibly run for president Beardo.

You Cheebs. You are our only hope.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 28, 2010, 06:21:39 PM
he also has a black friend (online) and a hispanic friend (online)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 06:34:21 PM
Doesn't Cheebs get a $150 haircut? Sounds like a dirty librul if i ever heard of one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 28, 2010, 06:16:23 PM
Cheebs is rich, white, male, and from a potential battleground state.  He's a Republican dream candidate.

Is Michigan a battleground state? I always thought of it as a state which looks like a place where people go to have actual battles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2010, 07:23:55 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
As for all the research your fiend is doing, it's not surprising. Anyone that talks to real people in real life knows that the general consensus is that Obama is useless.

Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

Obama has accomplished more than JFK breh :smug

well legislatively, not in terms of preventing nuclear war
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 28, 2010, 07:49:23 PM
can i think obama is a 21st century reagan instead
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: Professor Prole on July 28, 2010, 07:49:23 PM
can i think obama is a 21st century reagan instead

I dont know. can i haz cheezburger?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2010, 09:26:31 PM
First contact with aliens.  That would be sweet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 28, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 28, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
Of course if you get the majority of your news from MSNBC and Time magazine than you would think that Obama is a 21st century JFK. It's strange to see how detached the media is from real life.

I like how Beardo bashes MSNBC when he clearly isn't watching it. I won't dare say the network is not left-leaning, but as far as an Obama support, their editorial staff is just as discontent - if not moreso - as the rest of America. For crying out loud, Ed Schultz blasted him at Netroots a week ago and he's about as liberal as you can get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2010, 11:08:40 PM
Ed Shultz is a fucking moron.  The only person on MSNBC I can stand anymore is Rachel Maddow, and even she is turning into a concern troll with each passing day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2010, 11:10:45 PM
Maddow's takedown on Fox/O'Reilly was pretty epic though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 28, 2010, 11:10:52 PM
I don't like him either. I pretty much turn the channel off after Dylan Ratigan, and even he gets a premature change-of-the-channel depending on his behavior. My point was, more or less, blasting MSNBC for telling people how great the President is doing is pretty funny when it's painfully obvious that they are in the same fail boat as the rest of us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 28, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
dylan ratigan > rachel maddow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 28, 2010, 11:12:59 PM
I agree.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2010, 11:26:29 PM
I dunno, I haven't watched anything regularly in forever.  I did always like Ratigan's continual focus on the unpunished crimes of the Wall St. set, tho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 28, 2010, 11:38:26 PM
Ratigan scrutinizes both financial and political institutions. I get kind of depressed watching his show, though. It makes you realize how out-of-touch politicians and Wall St. are with reality, and that there's very little to stop it.

Every episode pretty much ends with him telling us we need to be more informed and skeptical and demand accountability, but nothing in a truly practical manner. Unless people can rally around something tangible, he'll never run out of politicians and bankers to yell about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2010, 12:16:27 AM
I'd like Ratigan a lot more if he didn't just come off as continuously bitchy all the time. In some ways, his personality is the kind that's the most annoying. His smug demeanor, with his "oh, BOTH sides are evil, I'm a REAL independent" bullshit. Then he has a republican corporate lacky appear on his show and lets them off easy (check out today's episode when he interviewed Tom Coburn for an example).

Maddow is much, much more skilled at eviscerating her opponents, while at the same time not coming off as whiny.

As for Ed Schult, I like the fact that he's a pretty amiable person, and he really does come off as sincere in wanting to help people, but holy shit does he suck at debating. He rarely gets a chance to properly rebut any republican's talking points, and if he can't do that effectively, he should change his show's format to resemble Olbermann's more closely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 29, 2010, 12:26:53 AM
yeah, while ratigan could use a personality overhaul, he actually addresses the financial and economic shenanigans at the root of it all, whereas maddow seems to like the college intellectual hot-button issues -- their equivalents to gunz and abortions and jayzuz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2010, 12:35:03 AM
Well, in fairness, dealing with financial/business issues is Ratigan's main forte. Maddow deals with a bunch of different areas. Not that there's anything wrong with either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 29, 2010, 01:16:47 AM
Yeah, I said this earlier, but I just don't buy the whole "Ratigan goes easy on Republicans" argument (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/13/dylan-ratigan-kevin-brady_n_645272.html).

Not even including this gem from the other week (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alex-fitzsimmons/2010/07/20/dylan-ratigan-shouts-down-conservative-guest-objecting-liberal-dog).

He's pretty fair across the board in terms of the vitriol spewed at guests. He leans center-right on fiscal concerns, for sure (he's a capitalist at heart) - but he's hardly a softballer on GOP guests. My issue with Ratigan is less to do with his political leanings, and more to do with the fact that he can quickly fall into the "irate talk show host yells at guest" format.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2010, 01:37:18 AM
The big secret about modern politics is that everything is (surprise, surprise) one big class struggle still, and until we're able to be honest about that we're just gonna keep having the same bullshit outcomes where the filthy rich get richer, the middle class continues to die and the ranks of the poor continue to swell.  Of course, eventually there will be a swift and violent correction, and I want to be there for that since I missed France in the late 1700's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 29, 2010, 02:45:40 AM
The filthy rich have done a good job of insulating themselves; there is so much distance between the Haves and the Have-nots (in the form of multi-national companies, governments, etc.) that it is virtually impossible to correct the disproportionate distribution of wealth through physical means. I don't think you'll be able to see anything remotely like the "good 'ole years", not in our lifetimes.

Only thing I can see correcting a lot of this is a strong federal government, but ours has eroded to the point where it is basically an accessory to the robbery of working class Americans.

You can always hope for a dictatorship, I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 29, 2010, 05:24:40 AM
Duh.

why else is Barack Hussien Obama so popular among the welfare-class?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2010, 07:50:39 AM
I avoid all televised media.  Feels good man.

I don't know too many liberals that are impressed with Obama these days except the cult of personality set that cares more about how funny he is or how he looked in pictures 20-30 years ago.  I guess if Obama continues to disappoint, he can always have the cultist set, much like Bush always had that 30% of support in the polls in the latter years of his Presidency.

The problem is that the haves are on both sides of the aisle.  Obama and his family made $5.5 million last year, hardly a salt of the earth type of character.  To get someone who gives a shred of a fuck about the have nots usually requires someone who spent most of their life as a have-not and knows how it is actually like to live paycheck to paycheck.  Both parties are chock full of pampered rich kids who have no real clue.  Also, campaigns are so expensive these days that you need to be the butt buddy of some type of corporate interest if you want dat cash.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 29, 2010, 09:05:38 AM
Quote from: T EXP on July 29, 2010, 07:50:39 AM
I avoid all televised media.  Feels good man.

Me too. The shit on TV is just awful.

Another question to you guys. Are yall still mad about the Iraq and Afghanistan war? I honestly don't know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2010, 09:09:29 AM
I think exasperated would be a better term.  I don't think it's doing any fucking good when we keep blowing up civilians in addition to our targets.  Not exactly endearing us to the Middle East at large, I'd say.  And believe me, I know this is war, blah blah blah.  But we're not just trying to conquer a country or hold a ridge or what the fuck ever.  We're over there to try and stamp out an ideology that says we're demonic assholes or whatever and I just don't see "they killed 30 women and children in a drone attack this week... again" as a powerful bargaining chip.

Also, it's a fucking money sink.  Just a total waste of money during a severe recession.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 29, 2010, 09:31:44 AM
I guess I can't really argue with any of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2010, 09:37:38 AM
BU-BU-BUT WE'RE FIGHTING THEM OVER THERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT THEM OVER HERE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 29, 2010, 09:52:34 AM
man.....it sure does suck to realize that trying to control an unruly empire actually costs more than money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 29, 2010, 10:14:51 AM
I think Obama is a fairly decent president (then again, that is relative... since the man in charge when I first started paying attention to politics was Dubya) held up by an absolute mess of congress. And oh yeah, there's some questionable corporate interests thrown in there too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2010, 11:56:39 AM
I think bringing in people like Geithner and Summers was a sign that we weren't going to see any sort of financial reform that would amount to anything.

Not that I'm happy to see Obama turn out to be a D+ president.  I think we're at a crossroads with many issues and the 2008 recession was a real good opportunity to fix things.  He flushed it down the shitter and I'm not buying the excuse that it should all be laid at the feet of a 41 seat majority Senate or his handlers.  That is cult of personality BS that reminds me of the cult of personality towards Miyamoto.  If that is in fact the case, then Obama should vacate the position because he apparently has no leadership skills and doesn't do anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 29, 2010, 12:14:03 PM
if nothing else, we got better presidential music from this guy than we got from dubya

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvI2TFTLRiU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2010, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 29, 2010, 11:46:39 AM
Obama could have come in and raped Wall Street but instead he chose to expend all his political capital on health care reform, which was destined to be a crappy cobbled together bill because of the vitriol/misunderstandinga lot of people still have towards socialized medicine that isn't medicare.  HE COULD HAVE RAPED THEM. I think that is going to be his biggest failure.

No way. A poll a few weeks ago showed Wall Street's approval ratings were slightly higher than Al Qaeda's. Like with most things, Obama didn't fight hard for a stronger bill simply cause he didn't want one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 29, 2010, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 29, 2010, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 29, 2010, 11:46:39 AM
Obama could have come in and raped Wall Street but instead he chose to expend all his political capital on health care reform, which was destined to be a crappy cobbled together bill because of the vitriol/misunderstandinga lot of people still have towards socialized medicine that isn't medicare.  HE COULD HAVE RAPED THEM. I think that is going to be his biggest failure.

No way. A poll a few weeks ago showed Wall Street's approval ratings were slightly higher than Al Qaeda's. Like with most things, Obama didn't fight hard for a stronger bill simply cause he didn't want one.

Which still makes it higher than Congress'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 29, 2010, 11:11:36 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 29, 2010, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 29, 2010, 04:13:57 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 29, 2010, 11:46:39 AM
Obama could have come in and raped Wall Street but instead he chose to expend all his political capital on health care reform, which was destined to be a crappy cobbled together bill because of the vitriol/misunderstandinga lot of people still have towards socialized medicine that isn't medicare.  HE COULD HAVE RAPED THEM. I think that is going to be his biggest failure.

No way. A poll a few weeks ago showed Wall Street's approval ratings were slightly higher than Al Qaeda's. Like with most things, Obama didn't fight hard for a stronger bill simply cause he didn't want one.

Which still makes it higher than Congress'

Which is higher than Congressional Republicans
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 09:10:40 AM
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1007/snooki_v_obama_contd.html (http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1007/snooki_v_obama_contd.html)
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First, Snooki took on Obama over Twitter. Then, Obama said he didn't even know who she was. And on Thursday night's second season premiere of MTV's "Jersey Shore," Snooki took the ball back, and went after Obama again.

In one scene, Snooki -- with her impressively orange tan -- broke the shocking news that she's been staying away from her home away from home: Tanning salons.

"I don’t go tanning anymore because Obama put a 10% tax on tanning. McCain would never put a 10% tax on tanning. Because he’s pale and would probably want to be tan," she said.
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 30, 2010, 09:24:29 AM
Ok, looks like Obama has shit on lockdown if Snooki hates him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 09:30:58 AM
Shit just got real.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 30, 2010, 09:42:22 AM
Also known as The Boehner Tax.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 10:07:35 AM
To be fair though, McCain wanted to regulate the nutritional supplement industry. I dont think The Situation would be happy about that either
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 10:29:28 AM
I just watched Capitalism: A Love Story, and while it's full of obnoxious Michael Moore-isms (Katrina somehow gets linked to capitalism?), it did a pretty good job of showing how the wealthy and industrialists were able piggyback "capitalism" on the back of the Constitution and Judeo-Christian values.

It also shows the difference between what my folks' generation and my generation think of socialism. My folks' are intent to believe that the "S-word" means the country would spiral out of control into a communist state run by a dictator. I guess it's just because they were raised in a different era.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 11:11:35 AM
I wonder why Michael Moore chose to hire non union members over union IATSE workers during the filming of that? I also seem to remember a controversy involving him not letting the production crew for his Awful TV show unionize.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 11:17:12 AM
To be fair, as someone who dabbles in the industry, production unions are awful and a large reason why budgets are so ridiculous. Non-fiction media in particular rarely uses union members, because it makes it very difficult to be flexible and adaptive in the field. I was just traveling with a cable television show, and the guys they use are contract, non-union hires. They couldn't afford to produce with union guys, and the logistics would be insane.

Not to say that Moore isn't being hypocritical, because he certainly is. It's the same reason why he seems to link layoffs to GM's bankruptcy, and glorifies the creation of the auto-workers union without any of the realistic analysis of it being part of its very industry's demise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 11:20:34 AM
At least we can agree that Michael moore is about bad as it gets.

Someone showed me a clip from Capitalism where he was interviewing a factory worker. It went something like this.

Moore: Why dont you just build your own factory?
Worker: We dont have the capital to build the means of production.


I just laughed. Was that supposed to be some kind of scathing commentary from the working class?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 11:24:01 AM
My problem with Moore is that he'll take a very real, tangible issue and does enough research to create a thought-provoking argument... but then litters it with agenda-drive nonsense. There is a case to be made that capitalism, as it exists in this country, is a bad thing - but not like this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 11:48:26 AM
Right, nobody is saying what we have is perfect.

He also fails to see the fallacies of his side too. In Sicko he talked about how in France they have maids come to your house and do your laundry and take care of your baby for free. Politics aside thats not even sustainable. I mean, he just thinks that we can all live in this happy society where everything is perfect and everyone is exactly equal on all levels. I used to think just like that when I was in Jr. High.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 11:58:09 AM
It's not that it's "not perfect", it's that the system that is currently in place is awful.

I don't think he believes we can live in a utopia, but he believes we can all live in a society where we have a single-payer health care system, worker's rights, transparency of financial institutions and government regulation of financial instruments. I don't see why that's not possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 30, 2010, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 11:48:26 AM
.In Sicko he talked about how in France they have maids come to your house and do your laundry and take care of your baby for free. Politics aside thats not even sustainable.
They actually have that though.   :lol

France is kinda awesome in this way. My dad does a ton of work there for his business and the amount of time they get off is incredible. Most companies give an entire month off to their employees that doesn't come out of their vacation/sick days. He was just talking to me the other day that it's illegal in France for bosses to stress out their workers. He said one of their really good smart execs just got fired because the employees all complained he was stressing them out.

I have no idea how the country can function with all the stuff they are given like this but somehow it does.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 12:01:55 PM
And that's why France is a third-world communist dictatorship!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 30, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
 :'(

And they have a first lady who still actively poses nude for magazine! They have it so good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 30, 2010, 12:04:46 PM
edit: oops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 12:06:11 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 11:58:09 AM
It's not that it's "not perfect", it's that the system that is currently in place is awful.

 Awefu? Pu-lease ::) You know how awesome we have it because of capitalism.

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 11:58:09 AM
I don't think he believes we can live in a utopia, but he believes we can all live in a society where we have a single-payer health care system, worker's rights, transparency of financial institutions and government regulation of financial instruments. I don't see why that's not possible.

It's naive. Like I said, I used to think like Michael Moore when I was 13.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 12:08:34 PM
It's naive to think we can have things other developed nations have? :lol

We have it so awesome because of capitalism? :lol

:rofl :rofl :rofl

... The only thing that will make this better is a compare-and-contrast with the Soviet Union or third-world nations that were properly raped by capitalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
"Free stuff for everyone." Yup thats a completely sustainable long term plan. Good jon.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 12:25:43 PM
It's not free, you pay for it. And it works. See: almost any other developed nation.

You can't look at the wealth distribution in this country the past fifty years and tell me something is not fundamentally broken. America is pretty awesome, if you're part of the top ten percent!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 30, 2010, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
"Free stuff for everyone." Yup thats a completely sustainable long term plan. Good jon.


France, England, Canada are not sustainable?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 12:31:33 PM
They are obviously going to collapse with their naive, goodwill-fueled fantasies of socialism!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2010, 12:35:10 PM
France and England aren't in the best of financial state.

i don't know about canada, but it's canada.  beaver pelts are an infinite sustainable resource so they lucked out there
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 12:39:15 PM
In case you haven't noticed, America isn't even in the best of financial shape.

Both the UK and France economies have expanded in recent months; they're having the same recession recovery pains we are. France has to change some of its worker policies to assist, but at the end of the day, its employee work force will STILL have it ten times better than Americans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 30, 2010, 01:45:32 PM
But before the recession, didn't France have a much higher unemployment rate than the US?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 02:13:59 PM
France still has a higher unemployment rate, but our unemployment rate isn't even real. If you use underemployment numbers (we're at 17%), we fare far worse as a nation. Fact is, more people may technically have jobs here, but less people live comfortably or below means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 02:23:37 PM
Plus obama saved like a billion jobs. That means something right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 30, 2010, 02:35:20 PM
we had it best when our marginal tax rate was at its highest

:bow eisenhower republicans who hate the rich :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
I dont mean to burst the bubble, but the top 15% pay something like 60-70% of all taxes. Should it be higher?

I personally think it should be law that whoever makes more than me, pays all taxes. That seems fair.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Boogie on July 30, 2010, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 30, 2010, 12:35:10 PM
France and England aren't in the best of financial state.

i don't know about canada, but it's canada.  beaver pelts are an infinite sustainable resource so they lucked out there


Ya, we're doing pretty awesome here. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
I dont mean to burst the bubble, but the top 15% pay something like 60-70% of all taxes. Should it be higher?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark
we had it best when our marginal tax rate was at its highest

Ding ding ding!

The fact that less people are putting money into the system is indicative that the distribution of wealth is fucked up, simply because more and more people are slipping into lesser tax brackets - not evil government conspiracy! And the belief that the top earners are faithful on their taxes. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 03:24:12 PM
Are you denying that the top earners pay for the huge majority of taxes already? ??? I'm not sure where you are going.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
oh, i love this talk

let's do it again!

then can we do the abortion one next?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 03:45:15 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 03:24:12 PM
Are you denying that the top earners pay for the huge majority of taxes already? ??? I'm not sure where you are going.

I'm not sure what you're not getting: the fact that the top tax rate is not close to historical highs, or the fact that of course that there are less people in top brackets due to the consolidation of wealth? Is this too hard for your brain to figure out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2010, 03:46:45 PM
Beardo:  What percentage of GDP can the public sector be before it becomes "unsustainable"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 30, 2010, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
I dont mean to burst the bubble, but the top 15% pay something like 60-70% of all taxes. Should it be higher?

Isn't that because the top 15% have almost all the wealth?

Also, redistribution of wealth isn't a one way street.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 30, 2010, 05:42:23 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 03:24:12 PM
Are you denying that the top earners pay for the huge majority of taxes already? ??? I'm not sure where you are going.

ITT: Beardo doesn't realize top earners are already 'Winning' and any claim that they are responsible for large tax income as an argument against progressive taxation is guffaw-inducing stupidity. I mean seriously, must I hold your hand thinking this one through?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 30, 2010, 05:44:11 PM
bububububu laffer curve

if you tax their $3M/yr down to $2.8M/yr, they won't have enough money to pay the plebes to mow their lawns and tickle their penises :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 30, 2010, 05:47:15 PM
They'll also leave the country and take their millions/billions with them.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 30, 2010, 05:48:59 PM
like they've been doing for decades!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2010, 06:51:31 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aujTwuJY8[/youtube]

i can't tell if using NIN's Happiness In Slavery is brilliant or not.

I'm leaning towards brilliant
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2010, 11:08:02 PM
The only possession I own that I'm too ashamed to display in my room is Dude, Where's My Country  :-\

fucking Michael Moore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ichirou on July 30, 2010, 11:37:45 PM
I have that book too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
[youtube=560,345]W4zwCMf8dsc[/youtube]
:rofl :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 11:53:15 PM
"The gentleman is correct in sitting!" :lol

Anthony Weiner is like the Northeastern version of Alan Grayson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 31, 2010, 01:51:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
[youtube=560,345]W4zwCMf8dsc[/youtube]
:rofl :rock

holy shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 31, 2010, 03:31:24 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZXar9bhTyg[/youtube]

Not gonna lie, I did tug one out over this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 31, 2010, 08:39:11 AM
Conservative talk radio already discussed this issue to death yesterday :smug

In fact, Sean Hannity's radio show had them both come on the air...together.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 31, 2010, 09:11:10 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 30, 2010, 03:05:00 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
I dont mean to burst the bubble, but the top 15% pay something like 60-70% of all taxes. Should it be higher?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark
we had it best when our marginal tax rate was at its highest

Ding ding ding!

The fact that less people are putting money into the system is indicative that the distribution of wealth is fucked up, simply because more and more people are slipping into lesser tax brackets - not evil government conspiracy! And the belief that the top earners are faithful on their taxes. :rofl

I agree, the US is barely functional these days.  Retardlicans have successfully made it so any type of altruistic legislation gets cobbled up and bungled so it barely helps anyone except the filling of coffers of corporations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 10:22:24 AM
The 9/11 compensation bill is pretty much a new low for Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 12:01:45 PM
To be fair, dems brought it to the floor requiring a 2/3s majority vote, probably so they could make attack ads for November.

It's going back to the floor next week requiring a simple majority
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 12:25:23 PM
Democrats brought it to the floor requiring a two-thirds vote because Republicans were preparing to add an amendment that would not give compensation to any first responders who were illegal immigrants at Ground Zero, and the Democrats wanted to avoid the political ridiculousness and possible backlash of that situation.

Democrats called the Republicans on it, the Republicans stood firm. Totally fucking despicable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 02:31:17 PM
holy shit, for real?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: Associated Press
A key backer of the bill, U.S. Rep. Peter King, a Long Island Republican, accused Democrats of staging a "charade."

King said Democrats were "petrified" about casting votes as the fall elections near on controversial amendments, possibly including one that could ban the bill from covering illegal immigrants who were sickened by trade center dust.

... the Republicans were licking their chops to load the bill with all kinds of poison pills, so they could run attack ads. Democrats tried to circumvent this by holding the two-thirds vote, and the Republicans responded in kind by knocking it down.

The New York Times also has a pretty good breakdown (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/nyregion/30zadroga.html?_r=1). Needless to say, what a bunch of bullcrap. People should be ashamed.
Title: Then the GOP can wonder how they lose the latino vote by 30 points
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
Not sure which is worse, the utterly cynical use of poison-pill amendments (that "amended Springfield-slash-pervert bill" bit from the Simpsons is quickly becoming the most accurate depiction of our government on TV) or the choice of illegal immigrants as whipping boys.

For the last few years it seems like every piece of legislation has been accompanied by a bunch of people screaming that it'll be a huge giveaway of our hard-earned money to dirty illegals, and that it needs to be properly scoured so the immigrants don't see a dime.

It plays well because so many people think that immigrants have a huge, parasitic effect on the economy, in spite of the evidence.  Now Heaven forfend that I or anyone else Play The Race Card and suggest that this is rooted in ethnic anxieties and the tribalism and ignorance they engender, but that belief sure as fuck isn't borne out of any sense of rational numeracy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 05:09:01 PM
We can't have a real discussion about illegal immigration for more than a few seconds before it spirals into ManaByte talking points and ridiculous, pie-in-the-sky free borders nonsense. It's like, there's no middle ground in political debate anymore.

I have almost become completely exhausted over our political system and our country in general. If it wasn't for the fact that I am really trying to break into the moving pictures business, chalk me up as another potential defector to a country that's not batshit insane - just somewhat insane.

Maybe I'll go to Cannes with my pals next year, and claim political asylum.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 10:22:24 AM
The 9/11 compensation bill is pretty much a new low for Republicans.

I dunno. It's definitely a close second to not allowing raped women to take their rapist to court. (http://www.republicansforrape.org/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 31, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 10:22:24 AM
The 9/11 compensation bill is pretty much a new low for Republicans.

I dunno. It's definitely a close second to not allowing raped women to take their rapist to court. (http://www.republicansforrape.org/)

It depends, Mandark. Was the woman an illegal alien?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on July 31, 2010, 05:54:13 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 30, 2010, 02:48:19 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 30, 2010, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 30, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
"Free stuff for everyone." Yup thats a completely sustainable long term plan. Good jon.


France, England, Canada are not sustainable?
:lol
:rofl
 :lol

Yeah, do a little research...
United Kingdom, whatever. I used to live there for a while so I give myself a free pass.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 31, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 10:22:24 AM
The 9/11 compensation bill is pretty much a new low for Republicans.

I dunno. It's definitely a close second to not allowing raped women to take their rapist to court. (http://www.republicansforrape.org/)

It depends, Mandark. Was the woman an illegal alien?
I am still in shock how little controversy that caused.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 31, 2010, 06:10:47 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on July 31, 2010, 05:54:13 PM


United Kingdom, whatever. I used to live there for a while so I give myself a free pass.



I would imagine his chuckling has less to do with properly naming the state than it does the UK's itty bitty budget crisis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/may/05/uk-budget-deficit-worse-than-greece
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2010, 06:19:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 31, 2010, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 10:22:24 AM
The 9/11 compensation bill is pretty much a new low for Republicans.

I dunno. It's definitely a close second to not allowing raped women to take their rapist to court. (http://www.republicansforrape.org/)

It depends, Mandark. Was the woman an illegal alien?

 >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 06:34:02 PM
All you all look the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 07:14:39 PM
 :lol

The lack of an avatar sold me. But then again, the lack of an underlined hyperlink should have tipped me off
Title: Dinner for schmucks
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2010, 07:30:34 PM
Speaking of dumb identity politics, the Anti-Defamation League has stated its opposition (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/5820_32.htm) to the ground zero Muslim community center.

Abe Foxman is no mensch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2010, 07:35:28 PM
Shit, I just noticed that Mandark doesn't have an avatar either.

What the hell, hippy? :punch
Title: Re: Dinner for schmucks
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 07:37:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 31, 2010, 07:30:34 PM
Speaking of dumb identity politics, the Anti-Defamation League has stated its opposition (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/CvlRt_32/5820_32.htm) to the ground zero Muslim community center.

Abe Foxman is no mensch.

I read that yesterday, and nearly blew a gasket. Doesn't surprise me; it's the same argument my grandparents had when I visited them a month ago. It's such a damn shame.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
Good to know religious freedoms have parameters. Would a mosque 6 blocks away from Ground Zero be acceptable? Seven?

Of course, when some nutjob tries to blow the place up  we'll be hearing the "what a terrible event...but they sure did bring it on themselves" argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
- Dove World Outreach Center to host "International Burn a Quran Day"
- In video, pastor says Islam is "a religion of the devil"
- The National Association of Evangelicals is asking the church to call off the event
- The Council on American-Islamic Relations is calling on Muslims to launch education efforts

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 31, 2010, 08:09:46 PM
wow at the 9/11 bill

anyone think it would've been better to let it come to vote? i know i should just be glad that Dems found a spine and didn't let a shitty thing come to pass, but how exactly was this gonna be defended?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 31, 2010, 08:20:16 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
- Dove World Outreach Center to host "International Burn a Quran Day"
- In video, pastor says Islam is "a religion of the devil"
- The National Association of Evangelicals is asking the church to call off the event
- The Council on American-Islamic Relations is calling on Muslims to launch education efforts

:rofl

Dove World Outreach Center's reverse psychology complete :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 31, 2010, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 05:09:01 PM
I have almost become completely exhausted over our political system and our country in general.

This is pretty much where I'm at.  I just don't have time for this bullshit anymore.  I would still be more interested and involved if Obama had made fucking the Banksters over and fixing that shit his first priority.  Would have made good political sense too, but oh well, he's kind of a fucking pussy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 31, 2010, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 08:00:42 PM
- Dove World Outreach Center to host "International Burn a Quran Day"

The Randroids over at Reason are all over that nonsense, just like they were all over the "draw a cartoon of Muhammad" day or whatever a couple years back.  I swear those people are so fucking dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2010, 10:08:17 PM
He had all the political capitol in the world to fuck them over. I'd imagine republicans would argue regulating banks/Wall Street would ruin businesses during a recession, but Obama would have still been able to get something done; hell, at the time most Americans would have cheered him on.

should have done that immediately after the stimulus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 31, 2010, 10:15:05 PM
Should have made that PART OF the stimulus.  Also apparently should have made the stimulus about 1.2 trillion, with fewer tax cuts.  Whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 01, 2010, 12:39:46 AM
Just watched No End in Sight, which is a fascinating documentary of the lead up to and execution of post-war Iraqi occupation. Man, if there is a film that makes you hate the government - this one is it. It documents a systemic failure within the Bush administration to properly plan and execute anything resembling adequate foreign policy, mostly by policy makers with no combat experience or post-war experience.

Those with such experience are discarded and ignored.

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 01, 2010, 12:52:09 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 01, 2010, 12:39:46 AM
Just watched No End in Sight, which is a fascinating documentary of the lead up to and execution of post-war Iraqi occupation. Man, if there is a film that makes you hate the government - this one is it. It documents a systemic failure within the Bush administration to properly plan and execute anything resembling adequate foreign policy, mostly by policy makers with no combat experience or post-war experience.

Those with such experience are discarded and ignored.

 :'(


I think Bush's War is superior but I did like No End in sight also. It covers a lot of the same material and has interviews with a lot of the same people. 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

EDIT: Just as a general plug anybody interested in political science or war in general should watch Fog of War if you haven't already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_of_War
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 01, 2010, 01:23:38 AM
No End in Sight and Bush's War are pretty much the defining rebuttals to the notion that people who don't think like Government should in any way be involved in running the Government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tieno on August 01, 2010, 03:55:13 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 01, 2010, 06:28:54 AM
Re: The 9/11 bill

So the Repubs are saying that they were against the bill cause it might somehow make its way to the illegals right? Now, are they referring to the illegals that helped out with the rescue? Cause if that's the case, isn't that kind of a hard sell? I know that filthy messicans can be scapegoated for a lot of things, but almost anything dealing with 9/11 could be given a free pass nowadays.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 01, 2010, 08:46:58 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on July 31, 2010, 10:04:09 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 31, 2010, 05:09:01 PM
I have almost become completely exhausted over our political system and our country in general.

This is pretty much where I'm at.  I just don't have time for this bullshit anymore.  I would still be more interested and involved if Obama had made fucking the Banksters over and fixing that shit his first priority.  Would have made good political sense too, but oh well, he's kind of a fucking pussy.

Just become politically apathetic, like what I imagine most of our generation will grow up to be.  With one side being serial ball droppers and the other side angry and against common sense, I can see most people looking at both, saying "fuck this," and ignore politics entirely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 01, 2010, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 01, 2010, 06:28:54 AM
So the Repubs are saying that they were against the bill cause it might somehow make its way to the illegals right? Now, are they referring to the illegals that helped out with the rescue? Cause if that's the case, isn't that kind of a hard sell? I know that filthy messicans can be scapegoated for a lot of things, but almost anything dealing with 9/11 could be given a free pass nowadays.

DEMOCRATS WANT TO RAISE YOUR TAXES AND GIVE YOUR MONEY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2010, 12:11:15 PM
    "You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*gger, n*gger, n*gger." By 1968 you can't say "n*gger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

    And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*gger, n*gger"
- Lee Atwater

:violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 12:02:53 PM
I just finished Bush's War, since that was Stony's recommendation, and it makes Rumsfeld look like an incompetent, stubborn egomaniac. He fucked up so much stuff. However, the program - moreso than No End in Sight - makes Condoleeza Rice look like a someone who operated in the shadows and waited for her moment to control the cabinet. In some ways, the battle over control of the war is more interesting than the military battles.

Both programs make Colin Powell look like a competent, wise cabinet member completely alienated by two old dudes with no real combat experience.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 02, 2010, 12:10:59 PM
Mel Gibson, keeping tradition alive  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2010, 03:12:37 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 12:02:53 PM
I just finished Bush's War, since that was Stony's recommendation, and it makes Rumsfeld look like an incompetent, stubborn egomaniac. He fucked up so much stuff. However, the program - moreso than No End in Sight - makes Condoleeza Rice look like a someone who operated in the shadows and waited for her moment to control the cabinet. In some ways, the battle over control of the war is more interesting than the military battles.

Both programs make Colin Powell look like a competent, wise cabinet member completely alienated by two old dudes with no real combat experience.

All behind the scenes accounts always look favorably on Powell. Which makes me even more pissed about the good soldier being sent out to lie in front of the UN
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 05:20:25 PM
He was basically sent in front of the UN because the administration knew he was the only member of the cabinet with any credibility - domestically or abroad. And they totally took advantage of that, because Rumsfeld and Cheney absolutely did not like him on a personal level. Several of the people working under him continually thought about resignation, but the thought process was similar to Powell's: if he resigned, he would leave the war COMPLETELY in control of Cheney and Rumsfeld.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2010, 05:29:32 PM
I lost all respect for Powell after that happened, although in the years that have passed I learned more about the circumstances and softened my position. Unfortunately he knew the charges were bullshit, and did it anyway.

I kinda wonder what would have happened if he resigned at that point. We would have still gone to war, the administration would have one more negative story to deal with but ultimately it wouldn't matter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 05:57:26 PM
Except, to his credit, he really didn't know it was bullshit. Both programs really make the case that the State department scrutinized the evidence and basically went line-by-line with Tenet to verify the information, and Tenet told him (as he did with all the administration officials) that the information was a "slam dunk". Powell had concerns and he didn't necessarily buy this stuff at a gut level, but when the director of the CIA tells you that the information is legit - legit enough to literally SIT BEHIND YOU when giving a speech on it - then you have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

For instance: Tenet told Powell that the mobile units and stuff came from multiple sources, and swore on that fact. When in reality, the information came from ONE unreliable source and the information was passed second-hand by the Germans. Powell was unaware of that fact, and Tenet told him differently.

There are two main culprits for this epic clusterfuck: the Cheney/Rumsfeld hydra and Tenet. Cheney/Rumsfeld wanted to orchestrate events to put us in Iraq, without having any semblance of a strategy and were completely unqualified for heading up such an effort. Tenet was the one who was able to skew evidence to fit their designs, so he could get into the clubhouse. Tenet didn't want to be alienated like Powell, and Rice to a lesser extent.

Powell got fucked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 06:04:16 PM
Also, it would have been nice to have a President that had a backbone and could make decisions for himself. Both programs paint the man in a different light that many assume; he did challenge a lot of stuff within his own administration, but rarely had the cajones to push back.

For all the liberal trolling that he was a war mongering, illiterate ape with some kind of bloodlust, he really doesn't come off as that when you digest all this information. In fact, by the end of the documentary, I kind of pitied him.

Ultimately, the buck stops with him, but I feel like we got an unqualified President that had honest-to-God good intentions that was totally manipulated and taken advantage of by family friends that operated as "alpha males" within the administration. He tried so hard to appease everyone, he ultimately let his administration spin out of control. It's kind of sad. I gained appreciation for the man on a personal level, but what an awful, awful President. He had no business being in the Oval Office.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
I definitely have to check the documentary out, sounds amazing.

On Powell: before giving the speech, he did know a lot of it was false. Perhaps the most memorable moment I remember reading about was him looking over his speech and declaring it bullshit.

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Much of the initial information for Mr Powell's speech to the UN was provided by the Pentagon, where Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, set up a special unit, the Office of Special Plans, to counter the uncertainty of the CIA's intelligence on Iraq.

Mr Powell's team removed dozens of pages of alleged evidence about Iraq's banned weapons and ties to terrorists from a draft of his speech, US News and World Report says today. At one point, he became so angry at the lack of adequate sourcing to intelligence claims that he declared: "I'm not reading this. This is bullshit," according to the magazine.

Presented with a script for his speech, Mr Powell suspected that Washington hawks were "cherry picking", the US magazine Newsweek also reports today. Greg Theilmann, a recently retired state department intelligence analyst directly involved in assessing the Iraqi threat, says that inside the Bush administration "there is a lot of sorrow and anger at the way intelligence was misused".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/02/usa.iraq

I'll never understand those on the far left who honestly believe Bush was some evil dictator in chief who dreamed up a world domination plan. He surrounded himself with hawks, and being the dumbass that he is, he was easily persuaded to allow the neo-conservatives to do what they wanted to do for years. Bush seems like a nice guy, albiet someone obviously more interested in helping his rich buddies than anyone else.

Even more ridiculous is his long standing position on being "The Decider" lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on August 02, 2010, 07:11:56 PM
this is quite nuts, nice one Theissen

WikiLeaks must be stopped (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/02/AR2010080202627.html)

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Let's be clear: WikiLeaks is not a news organization; it is a criminal enterprise.

...

[Julian] Assange is a non-U.S. citizen operating outside the territory of the United States. This means the government has a wide range of options for dealing with him. It can employ not only law enforcement but also intelligence and military assets to bring Assange to justice and put his criminal syndicate out of business.

...

With appropriate diplomatic pressure, these governments may cooperate in bringing Assange to justice. But if they refuse, the United States can arrest Assange on their territory without their knowledge or approval. In 1989, the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel issued a memorandum entitled "Authority of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to Override International Law in Extraterritorial Law Enforcement Activities."

This memorandum declares that "the FBI may use its statutory authority to investigate and arrest individuals for violating United States law, even if the FBI's actions contravene customary international law" and that an "arrest that is inconsistent with international or foreign law does not violate the Fourth Amendment." In other words, we do not need permission to apprehend Assange or his co-conspirators anywhere in the world.

:american :bow (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/2010-05-14-USCYBERCOM_Logo.jpg/596px-2010-05-14-USCYBERCOM_Logo.jpg) :bow2 :american

went even further on his blog:

http://blog.american.com/?page_id=17659 (http://blog.american.com/?page_id=17659)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 07:39:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2010, 06:53:28 PM
I definitely have to check the documentary out, sounds amazing.

On Powell: before giving the speech, he did know a lot of it was false. Perhaps the most memorable moment I remember reading about was him looking over his speech and declaring it bullshit.

He did know a lot of it was false, and they removed a lot of stuff, but the stuff kept in was stuff that Tenet was standing by. When Powell tried to call his bluff by making him sit behind him during the UN session, Tenet didn't fold. At that point, they went to war with that speech. I mean, again, are you going to call the CIA director a liar, especially if he was willing to literally stand by you (and his intel)?

That pretty much seals the deal for me in regards to Tenet; he had no shame.

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I'll never understand those on the far left who honestly believe Bush was some evil dictator in chief who dreamed up a world domination plan. He surrounded himself with hawks, and being the dumbass that he is, he was easily persuaded to allow the neo-conservatives to do what they wanted to do for years. Bush seems like a nice guy, albiet someone obviously more interested in helping his rich buddies than anyone else.

Even more ridiculous is his long standing position on being "The Decider" lol

I think Bush, to some degree, is actually more genuine than Obama - unfortunately he's genuinely codependent and unqualified, and should have never been President. He let the Cheney/Rumsfeld hydra dictate the administration, and those two ran a clinic on how completely fuck up a war. Big surprise that no one, other than Powell, had actual combat experience in that administration. Rumsfeld was the only person that was active duty, but as a Navy pilot in no combat zones.

Bush's willingness to help his rich pals was less about making the rich richer than it was simply appeasing friends. The man has serious self-worth issues in my opinion. It'd be interesting to see someone do a complete psych evaluation on him.

Again, the dysfunction of his cabinet and the struggles of political power are almost more interesting than the war itself. Absolutely amazing that people were willing to let thousands of people die to satiate some kind of political desire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 07:42:22 PM
I support Assange's passion for transparency, but the document dump was poorly executed. I mean, how do you release all this information without going through it completely, and not checking to make sure you're not putting innocent lives at stake? That seems pretty stupid and callous, to me.

To his credit, this was at least a completely raw and unbiased perspective of the war (I don't really buy that receiving raw data out of context presents a biased perspective to begin with) rather than the slanted and agenda-driven pieces he has leaked in the past.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2010, 08:36:24 PM
More genuine than Obama? Interesting; explain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
I think Bush held true to his values, regardless of whether or not they were any good. He is a Bible-thumping man of the lord, with a naive view of the world, who constantly feels the need to prove himself by gaining the approval of others. His Presidency stayed true to that, for better or worse.

Obama has pretty much been revealed for what he truly is: a run-of-the-mill politician. I think Bush did a better job pushing his personal agenda than Obama simply because Obama doesn't really have much of a personal agenda. He is a center-right Democrat with a lot of strings to corporate donors, trying to push a party agenda and appease lobbyists. It's very wishy-washy. I think Obama is willing to compromise his principles to "get stuff done", whereas Bush is pretty much his way or the highway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Obama's stuck to pretty much everything he stated in his campaign.  It's the cult following that misled people throughout the campaign and first years of his presidency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 02, 2010, 08:51:17 PM
Colin Powell - what a career.

Helped to cover up My Lai.

Lied to the entire fucking world about WMD in Iraq.


Sad thing is he was a great soldier - but history will not be kind to him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 08:52:25 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 02, 2010, 08:49:08 PM
Obama's stuck to pretty much everything he stated in his campaign.  It's the cult following that misled people throughout the campaign and first years of his presidency.

That's not really true. Legislation delivered is not what was promised in his campaign, and instead of pulling back the consolidation of power under Bush, he's either continued or expanded it. Iraq, Gitmo, Don't Ask/Don't Tell, etc. are still on the table.

I wasn't expecting him to bend rivers and stuff, but everything we've had has benefited his corporate sponsors. Big Pharma got catered to, BP was basically pole smoked, the financial regulation is kind of jokey, etc. Other stuff hasn't come to fruition at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 09:01:15 PM
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/)

He's had an absolutely terrible congress to deal with, but he's kept a lot of the promises he made on the campaign trail, including the ones no one is really into, in particular his butt-buddy nature with corporations.  It was all there, pretty obvious to spot, but the people who voted for him were too enamored by "oooooh pretty poster" and viral youtube videos to realize the type of politician he is.

edit: I voted for him and he's for the most part accomplished what I wanted him to, with health care being my real disappointment so far.  I'm voting for him again in 2012, barring anything truly appalling on his part or something equally surprising on the republican side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 09:05:24 PM
His landmark bill - the Health Care reform act - had a total lack of transparency, behind-the-closed doors deal with Big Pharma, no public option whatsoever, no ability to import/negotiate drug costs (as per Big Pharma backroom deal), etc. These will things he stated in his campaign that he wanted. I know this, because he put it on his website. (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf)

(Those are pretty fucking big concessions.)

It's why I voted for him.

Instead we got a water-down mess of a bill that catered to special interests and Republicans, all because it was the "best" he could do. Sure.

Even if you buy that line of thought, then you have to criticize the President for poorly choosing to waste on his political capital on a bill that sucks. It's been stated earlier, but he could have gone after Wall Street with regulations that had sharp, probing teeth and been rewarded with high poll numbers. And that would have laid a foundation to start building a rock solid agenda. He didn't care, because it would have upset Goldman Sachs his Treasury dudes.

So either he's a President that doesn't live up to his promises, or a President that poorly wasted his political capital. I think he's both. You can pick the latter, but I think that's awfully naive considering where he has laid the down the law - with his corporate sponsors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 09:08:10 PM
so in other words, palin 2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2010, 09:24:14 PM
The health care bill is watered down sure, but it is in no way a mess of a bill. It's a pretty impressive achievement that can be built upon for years to come. The concessions sucked, but it was either deal or pass nothing. If there was no filibuster in the senate we'd all be praising Obama right now.

Now on financial reform, yes. The concessions were more of a problem because you basically get one shot at finreg; it's not something that gets built upon historically.

I'm confused how one can argue Bush was a genuine politician whereas Obama is a run of the mill politician with corporation strings. You'd be hard pressed to argue how Bush was less corporate owned considering his war against all regulation, letting oil companies write his energy bill, war contracts, and of course letting Wall Street run a train on the tax payers' asses. At the least Obama has introduced to regulation and consumer protections potent enough to piss off lobbyists/corporations. I'd be hard pressed to think of any major legislation Bush passed that truly benefited the American people, which can't be said of Obama so far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark
I'm confused how one can argue Bush was a genuine politician whereas Obama is a run of the mill politician with corporation strings. You'd be hard pressed to argue how Bush was less corporate owned considering his war against all regulation, letting oil companies write his energy bill, war contracts, and of course letting Wall Street run a train on the tax payers' asses.

So your argument that Bush isn't genuine is that he not only campaigned for but then enacted all of these items, as per his personal convictions, political platform and socioeconomic placement?

Bush was pretty much the real deal. A bible-thumping, supply side-lovin' neocon and - gasp! - he did all the things you'd expect a bible-thumping, supply side-lovin' neocon to do! Doesn't mean they were great, but none of them were a surprise. Certainly not by his second term.

Bush was a guy that stood by his political ideals, right or wrong, and rammed legislation down our system to get what he wanted. Compromise be damned. It's not like we voted Bush into office and he began to pander to the left for poll numbers, or push centrist garbage to try and get re-elected. Bush thought he was doing God's work, so he did God's work and if it was God's plan, he would be re-elected. Thankfully, he had Jesus and Karl Rove.

Being genuine does not mean not pandering to the rich - many of which are his friends mind you! It just meant he held true to his values, good or bad.

... The health care bill is garbage. The fact that it passed and will have to be corrected is not a rousing endorsement for Obama. And like I said, if you're going to buy the line of thought that he got the best from a bad Congressional situation, then you have to agree that he shouldn't have started with health care reform. Either way you slice it, he sucks.

EDIT: You can't have your cake and have it too. Either he compromised on the health care bill and then some (behind doors meetings with Big Pharma!) that broke a lot of his campaign promises, or he foolishly wasted his political capital too early because he was too afraid of hurting Wall Street's feelings. Pick your poison.

Quote from: BrandNew
so in other words, palin 2012

Like many moderates with no real political party, I could definitely see myself abstaining.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 09:46:41 PM
this postmortem 20/20 regarding bush is pretty laughable, I'm sorry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 09:47:49 PM
I don't get it. Nobody is saying he's a good President. He was pretty awful. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise, except for you. I'm sorry we're not Probama enough for you, BrandNew. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
Triumph and Willco are gonna eventually troll me into a tl;dr post of Loki proportions explaining why only a wanker wouldn't vote Obama in '12.

The short version:  this session of Congress has accomplished a hell of a lot by historical standards, there aren't plausible counterfactuals where they did much better, a hefty chunk of liberal criticisms boil down to emotional/tribal complaints, and Bush's admin was a lot less of a juggernaut than y'all remember.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 02, 2010, 10:09:52 PM
i get what willco is saying and i can see why he makes that argument and to a degree, i would have to agree with his assessment of Bush.  it's not like his voters were tricked. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2010, 10:16:15 PM
As far as the Bush stuff the documentaries are very interesting. My take on that stuff is Bush was weak. Rumsfeld had balls of steel (I mean that as both a compliment and a criticism) even if he was completely incompetent. I don't think we will ever see anyone like him who was able to wield such amazing influence in that position although worryingly sec of dec seems to be increasing in power with every administration. My feelings on Powell have always been mixed. Even if he was the most "sane" one of that group he is the one that put himself in bed with those people. He is the one who went in front of the UN and said what he said and put his legacy on the line and didn't quit when push came to shove. Cheney is cheney meaning he is an underhanded sneaky bastard who wielded a lot of influence. The only people who sort of come off decent in that administration are Rice and Armitage and even that is with a lot of caveats especially in the case of Rice.

As far as the Obama stuff I'm a very unusual liberal in the sense that I never went annoyingly overboard with Obama love before the election. And I'm not nearly as critical as most internet liberals are now. I have no problem casting my vote for him in 2012. Especially when the other side is still people like Sarah Palin or people who had no problem with the bush years. When people say there is no difference I laugh and laugh...

It all comes down to what your expectations were I suppose though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark
this session of Congress has accomplished a hell of a lot by historical standards, there aren't plausible counterfactuals where they did much better, a hefty chunk of liberal criticisms boil down to emotional/tribal complaints, and Bush's admin was a lot less of a juggernaut than y'all remember.

Outside of the HCRA, which even you must admit was more than just compromised (Obama gave everything away except a free toaster!), did they really accomplish much more than sorta fixing things broken or pushed off by previous Congressional sessions?

I am not saying I am going to vote Republican. I'm just saying I probably won't vote at all! And that's my right - I don't feel like either party is courting me as a constituent. I reside in No Man's Land.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 10:20:41 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2010, 10:16:15 PM
As far as the Bush stuff the documentaries are very interesting. My take on that stuff is Bush was weak. Rumsfeld had balls of steel (I mean that as both a compliment and a criticism) even if he was completely incompetent.

Agreed.

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My feelings on Powell have always been mixed. Even if he was the most "sane" one of that group he is the one that put himself in bed with those people. He is the one who went in front of the UN and said what he said and put his legacy on the line and didn't quit when push came to shove.

I sort of agree, but again, I can kind of understand the point of thinking, "If I resign, then I risk letting the future of an entire nation rest on Rummy and Cheney's shoulders."

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Cheney is cheney meaning he is an underhanded sneaky bastard who wielded a lot of influence. The only people who sort of come out decent in that administration are Rice and Armitage

Totally agree about Armitage, completely disagree with Rice. Bush's War definitely makes the case that she was passive aggressive, and engaged in subtle political maneuvering to come out on top of the very men that initially pushed her to the side. By the second term, Powell is out, Rummy is out and Cheney is somewhat pacified. Rice ends up, conveniently, on top.

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As far as the Obama stuff I'm a very unusual liberal in the sense that I never went annoyingly overboard with Obama love before the election. And I'm not nearly as critical as most internet liberals are now. I have no problem casting my vote for him in 2012. Especially when the other side is still people like Sarah Palin or people who had no problem with the bush years. When people say there is no difference I laugh and laugh...

I'm not saying there's no difference, but neither party are obviously interested in listening to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 10:20:41 PM
I sort of agree, but again, I can kind of understand the point of thinking, "If I resign, then I risk letting the future of an entire nation rest on Rummy and Cheney's shoulders."

Honestly the biggest redemption factor for me with him was supporting Obama and attacking McCain and pretty much every other national republican in the process during the election. Not just because I'm liberal and he was supporting "my side" but because it was the closest thing he could do to essentially repudiate all those policies and all those years in the Bush administration. He'll never come out and say it was all a big mistake but that was the closest thing to doing it that someone in his position could do. And since no one important in the bush administration will ever do that it was nice to see someone finally say what everybody knew. 
Title: On the Iraq post-mortems
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2010, 10:43:44 PM
Insider-account political journalism is tricky to read.  Remember that the sources are all people who were involved and have their own agendas.  I don't mean that as a pejorative, just that they're going to have an interest in making themselves or their allies or their ideas look good and making other people or factions or ideas look bad, or whatever.

Rumsfeld always comes across the worst in all these stories about the Bush admin, and most of it sure seems justified.  But a big factor is that there seem to be very few people loyal to Rumsfeld, while there are plenty of people (for personal, career, ideological reasons) out there looking to buff or salvage the reputations of Powell, Bush, and others.  Lawrence Wilkerson's made a small career of telling people that Powell (his former boss) was the voice of reason.

It's a big part of why you hear how bad the McCain campaign crashed, but not the Romney campaign.  McCain's done in presidential elections, and people who worked for him in the past have been alienated and don't rely on him for a job.  Romney's still running, AFAIK with the same basic crew, so you won't hear backbiting.  Crazy stories about John Edwards didn't come out until it was painfully clear that he had no future in politics.

Which isn't to say that any of the stuff is worthless or should be discarded, just that everything should come with a grain of salt and taken in context with all the other available info.  Blah blah boring blah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 10:44:37 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 02, 2010, 10:09:52 PM
i get what willco is saying and i can see why he makes that argument and to a degree, i would have to agree with his assessment of Bush.  it's not like his voters were tricked. 

oh come on, neither were obama's.  his policies and leanings were right fucking there for people to see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 10:44:38 PM
Negative. I believe EVERY word!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 10:45:11 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 02, 2010, 10:44:37 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 02, 2010, 10:09:52 PM
i get what willco is saying and i can see why he makes that argument and to a degree, i would have to agree with his assessment of Bush.  it's not like his voters were tricked. 

oh come on, neither were obama's.  his policies and leanings were right fucking there for people to see.

I voted for a progressive liberal, I got a centrist that leans right. No thanks, bro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 02, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
i voted for the anti-palin and got the nega-bush instead
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 10:48:34 PM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 10:50:45 PM
Jon Stewart pretty much sums up my problems with Obama. (http://www.indecisionforever.com/2010/06/16/jon-stewart-on-obamas-bush-like-abuses-of-power/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
Left out of short version:  conflating the process with the results.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 02, 2010, 11:47:33 PM
My problem boils down to lame failures on civil liberties issues and the complete and utter failure to extract a pound of flesh from the Wall St. set.  And I would love to see Mandark try and spin those.

I will, I'm about 95% sure, end up voting for Obama's lame ass in 2012.  Especially if it's Palin on the other side.  But honestly, I'm not sure how much WORSE a President Romney would be.  Neither he nor Obama seem to have any genuine convictions.

Personally, I for one can't wait for Obama to flip on not continuing the Bush Tax Cuts for the uber-rich.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2010, 11:59:22 PM
yeah, because that makes complete sense based on everything that's been said in the past three years in the political landscape
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 12:28:44 AM
His record on civil liberties is terrible, and easily the worst thing about this administration.

But getting a "pound of flesh" out of "the Wall Street set"?  Like I could give a shit.  When I want my elected officials to start punishing the vaguely defined groups that piss me off, I'll re-register as a Republican thankyouverymuch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2010, 12:44:17 AM
So the complete failure to rein in the stupid behavior that caused the recession doesn't bother you at all? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 03, 2010, 12:54:34 AM
Obama on financial regulation is absolutely inexcusable. Unlike with health care where one could argue there were enough idiots afraid of death panels that thought companies like Well Point were acting in their customers' best interest, Goldman Sachs and the like were only marginally more popular than Bin Laden. This should have been a slam dunk, and Obongo borked it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 12:59:08 AM
I'm not looking for punitive damages, but it is pretty much inexcusable to not pass financial regulation with real teeth. Sure, we got some nice consumer protections, but that's about it. It doesn't address the heart of the problem, which is "too big to fail". Some of the reform just sounds like more bureaucracy.

Fact of the matter, if I am to buy the whole "did the best with what he had" rhetoric, this should have been tackled first. No excuse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 01:00:20 AM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on August 03, 2010, 12:44:17 AM
So the complete failure to rein in the stupid behavior that caused the recession doesn't bother you at all? 

Ah, but that's a mite different from "fucking up the banksters," isn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
TLDR be damned

I totally disagree on Bush. He was not a "bible thumping" character by most accounts, and actually despised the religious right as much as McCain did; only difference is that he was able to put that aside and use them as a weapon to bolster his support and propagate wedge issues.

It's impossible to compare Obama and Bush's legislative approaches given the huge differences in circumstance and party. Republicans tend to fall lock step behind their president no matter what. Ballooning deficit? No problem. Massive spending? No problem. Nation building? No problem. Whereas the democratic party is typically filled with a wider variety of interests and concern trolls, from liberal to conservative members; the very conservative members who boohoo over Obama's spending voted time and time again for Bush's (I'm looking at you Ben Nelson). In short, Bush rarely ran into issues that required the magic b(ipartisan) word that Obama and the media love so much. Dems balked at Bush's attempt to hijack social security for obvious reasons, and eventually immigration reform died a painful death, but overall Bush received passive to glowing support from democrats on everything outside of the courts.

Obama is dealing with the most obstructionist political party of all time. He could sit on a hill and demand a public option, a revival of the Glass–Steagall Act, and cap & trade - and get nothing. Or he can be a pragmatic politician and get as much as possible while attempting to not piss off as many people as possible. Those choice is clear. We can argue over the quality of the bills, but at the end of the day he's made more legislative progress than any president since LBJ. That's not a fluke, especially considering he's dealing with a group of law makers more obstructionist than the dixiecrats.

While I'm not particularly enthused by the health care bill, calling it garbage is ridiculous; in fact, each time we've debated the bill you've failed to defend your point. It helps millions of people and sets up the infrastructure for a public option, which will happen sooner than later; hell, the bill allows states to set up their own public options thanks to Wyden. My point about it allowing improvement over years is not a negative: it's a pretty damn good stepping stone. Whereas the financial regulation bill is a one and done affair that won't be revisited until the economy crashes again in a decade or so.

At the end of the day Bush was a horrible president who didn't achieve much of anything outside of bankrupting the country, pissing off the world, starting an unnecessary war, continuing the deregulation of every aspect of the economy/energy, mishandling a massive natural disaster, dropping the ball on national security, and putting two young stud conservatives on the SC. If his right/wrong worldview makes him more "genuine" than Obama's nuanced view on the world, so be it. Moreover, if Obama has to cut deals with the devil to clean up The Decider's mess, so be it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:03:32 AM
Hyperbole aside, do you not think Obama should have broken up the large institutions and pushed legislation that would prevent such institutions from becoming "too big to fail". Some of the new regulations barring particular trading or placing caps on others are nice, but am I to believe that such institutions won't try to create other "complex financial instruments" to trade?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:06:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
He was not a "bible thumping" character by most accounts, and actually despised the religious right as much as McCain did; only difference is that he was able to put that aside and use them as a weapon to bolster his support and propagate wedge issues.

Uh, what? Bush was a well-known born again Christian with deep ties to the religious right. He might not been a diehard Evangelical, but he was most certainly a diehard Christian - hence the fact that he had faith-based advisors who sat on phone calls - and is often quoted as bringing God into the conversation.

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At the end of the day Bush was a horrible president who didn't achieve much of anything outside of bankrupting the country, pissing off the world, starting an unnecessary war, continuing the deregulation of every aspect of the economy/energy, mishandling a massive natural disaster, dropping the ball on national security, and putting two young stud conservatives on the SC. If his right/wrong worldview makes him more "genuine" than Obama's nuanced view on the world, so be it. Moreover, if Obama has to cut deals with the devil to clean up The Decider's mess, so be it.

So, again, your argument boils down to the fact that you don't agree with Bush's policies. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. You seem to equate my opinion that Bush is the most genuine of the two Presidents to mean that he is the superior of the two Presidents, which is not just wrong, but silly.

Bush stood by his convictions. No, he did not get everything he wanted - but he got a lot. You knew what you were getting with him, as well. That doesn't make him a great President, so I'm not sure why you even posted all of that?

P.S. Stuff that Obama didn't necessarily have to cut "deals with the devil" on, he's still be more than happy to do so. Dude is just a career politician.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:15:09 AM
And to stop the butthurt, one of the first things I said was:

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 02, 2010, 06:04:16 PM
I gained appreciation for the man on a personal level, but what an awful, awful President. He had no business being in the Oval Office.

Not necessarily a ringing endorsement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:20:54 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:06:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:02:00 AM
He was not a "bible thumping" character by most accounts, and actually despised the religious right as much as McCain did; only difference is that he was able to put that aside and use them as a weapon to bolster his support and propagate wedge issues.

Uh, what?

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At the end of the day Bush was a horrible president who didn't achieve much of anything outside of bankrupting the country, pissing off the world, starting an unnecessary war, continuing the deregulation of every aspect of the economy/energy, mishandling a massive natural disaster, dropping the ball on national security, and putting two young stud conservatives on the SC. If his right/wrong worldview makes him more "genuine" than Obama's nuanced view on the world, so be it. Moreover, if Obama has to cut deals with the devil to clean up The Decider's mess, so be it.

So, again, your argument boils down to the fact that you don't agree with Bush's policies. That has nothing to do with what I was saying. You seem to equate my opinion that Bush is the most genuine of the two Presidents to mean that he is the superior of the two Presidents, which is not just wrong, but silly.

Bush stood by his convictions. No, he did not get everything he wanted - but he got a lot. You knew what you were getting with him, as well. That doesn't make him a great President, so I'm not sure why you even posted all of that?

You completely missed the point.

1) There's not much genuine about a guy who presented himself as one thing to the American people while working towards a completely different agenda; you may have thought you knew what you were getting, but you got something completely different. You seem to apply this to Obama, why not Bush?

2) Bush got what he wanted because he had a congress/senate willing to give him what he wanted. It has nothing to do with him having convictions or working hard. In fact, whenever he faced opposition in the senate he failed miserably. Therefore it's hard to compare his record to Obama, who's dealing with a congress that won't give him anything without a fight - making it impossible for him to get exactly what he wants, hence the dealmaking that has defined his legislative record.

3) Bush's entire presidency was a disaster. "Standing by your convictions" when you're a disaster is not particularly impressive or a positive. He got the few things he wanted, but ultimately didn't achieve anything "big." Despite having the congress at his feet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:21:45 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:06:38 AM
P.S. Stuff that Obama didn't necessarily have to cut "deals with the devil" on, he's still be more than happy to do so. Dude is just a career politician.

Give an example
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 01:25:07 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:03:32 AM
Hyperbole aside, do you not think Obama should have broken up the large institutions and pushed legislation that would prevent such institutions from becoming "too big to fail".[/quote

NO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:26:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:20:54 AM
1) There's not much genuine about a guy who presented himself as one thing to the American people while working towards a completely different agenda; you may have thought you knew what you were getting, but you got something completely different. You seem to apply this to Obama, why not Bush?

Bush presented himself as anything but a religious, hard right neocon with a love of supply side economics and a foreign policy constructed from the Reagan years? Really?

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2) Bush got what he wanted because he had a congress/senate willing to give him what he wanted. It has nothing to do with him having convictions or working hard. In fact, whenever he faced opposition in the senate he failed miserably. Therefore it's hard to compare his record to Obama, who's dealing with a congress that won't give him anything without a fight - making it impossible for him to get exactly what he wants, hence the dealmaking that has defined his legislative record.

So the argument is Bush pushed for what he wanted, and he got it. When he didn't compromise, he didn't get it. So he really only got what he wanted and was unwilling to compromise on stuff that he wanted. What flim flammery!

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3) Bush's entire presidency was a disaster. "Standing by your convictions" when you're a disaster is not particularly impressive or a positive. He got the few things he wanted, but ultimately didn't achieve anything "big." Despite having the congress at his feet.

When did I say it wasn't? Again, you missed point. Stop being defensive. The first thing I said was that he was an awful President; being genuine and being a good President are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark
Give an example

Big Pharma? Too big to fail? Civil liberties? Etc.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:28:38 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 01:25:07 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:03:32 AM
Hyperbole aside, do you not think Obama should have broken up the large institutions and pushed legislation that would prevent such institutions from becoming "too big to fail".

NO.

I get it, since I said "do you NOT think", you are agreeing with me - right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 01:30:49 AM
It's "No, I do not think that would be a good idea."

Everyone I've read who I trust on the issue thinks TBTF is a case of sloganeering over policy, and that capping the size of banks wouldn't do anything to solve the problem of interconnectedness and systemic failure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:32:30 AM
P.P.S. I won't even get involved in the BP fiasco. I'm not talking about the PR image campaign and that junk. And I don't think Obama should be personally fixing the well, but the I do not know why BP was running local law enforcement, allowed to use excessive amounts of dispersant, the federal government made no effort to accurately gauge the amount of oil leaked, why the federal government has not gotten involved in the claims process, nobody knows where the "$20 billion" is, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:34:48 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 01:30:49 AM
Everyone I've read who I trust on the issue thinks TBTF is a case of sloganeering over policy, and that capping the size of banks wouldn't do anything to solve the problem of interconnectedness and systemic failure.

But it was policy. We allowed FAILING institutions to survive simply because the amount of the market they controlled was so excessive that the failure could wreck the system. How is that not a problem worth addressing? Should we allow not only banks, but other financial firms to become so large that our economy is dependent on their success or failure?

Pardon my ignorance on this subject, but that just seems wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 03, 2010, 01:39:25 AM
From what I've read, although TBTF is an issue, the far greater problem was the unregulated over the counter derivatives market. Bill Clinton said the same thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:42:46 AM
They'll move to something else, though. That's the nature of the beast. When the federal government is finally able to track the derivatives market, Wall Street will be trading the next complex financial instrument. And what then? Wait until the next big bubble, and Wal-Mart, the mega-conglomerate retailer/bank (a very real possibility), goes under and requires a massive bailout to prevent the apocalypse?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:43:36 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:26:19 AM
Bush presented himself as anything but a religious, hard right neocon with a love of supply side economics and a foreign policy constructed from the Reagan years? Really?

He didn't present himself as a compassionate conservative every man not interested in world building? And then what did he do? Redistributed wealth to the wealthy and created one of the most intrusive foreign policies in US history. And on religion: he didn't care about gay marriage, wasn't a hardcore pro-lifer, and did not like the religious right. Sure he read the bible and prayed, but he certainly was not the culture warrior he pretended to be in order  to distract voters from Big Issues. And you seriously call this man genuine.

Quote from: quote author=The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:26:19 AM
So the argument is Bush pushed for what he wanted, and he got it. When he didn't compromise, he didn't get it. So he really only got what he wanted and was unwilling to compromise on stuff that he wanted. What flim flammery!

My point is that he didn't have to push for much of anything - he had a congress willing to work with him. Therefore he was in a completely different situation than Obama, who can't get what he wants all the time and has to make deals/compromise.

I'm not being defensive, I'm simply baffled by your argument. The same arguments you make against Obama can be used on Bush.

Quote from: quote author=The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:26:19 AM
Big Pharma? Too big to fail? Civil liberties? Etc.

Explain how he didn't have to compromise with Big Pharma? There was not support in the senate for buying perscription drugs over the border. David Vitter and other republicans support for it is no different from republicans claiming cuts in military spending "could" be necessary to cut the deficit: their intention is purely political, and ultimately corporate and political interests determine how they'd actually act if those situations were brought up.

There were not 60 votes for a public option. There weren't 60 votes for a medicare buy-in. There weren't 60 votes to lower the medicare age limit. What exactly could Obama do?

The financial reg bill is an even worse example: there weren't 60 votes to break up the banks, "end" too big to fail, full Volker Rule, etc. Dodd was pretty firmly up Wall Street's asses, and republicans weren't going to give Obama a political victory.

Civil liberty issues often fall directly in the hands of the executive branch, and Obama has shown himself to be no different from Bush on this issue. So where's the compromise?

Still waiting for one example.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 03, 2010, 01:49:35 AM
Great black hope, smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 02:13:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 01:43:36 AM
He didn't present himself as a compassionate conservative every man not interested in world building? And then what did he do? Redistributed wealth to the wealthy and created one of the most intrusive foreign policies in US history.

He called himself a uniter, but in his 2000 election brochure, he campaigns on tax cuts, No Child Left Behind, expanding the military, opening ANWR and other anti-environmental policies and funding faith-based groups. Not including the fact that Bush ran on a platform of Christian family values, flying in the face of Clinton's sex scandal. Really, this stuff was a shocker for you?

He was noted as a man not interested in world building, and his Iraqi strategy reflected that. The plan was to almost IMMEDIATELY get out. Within months. The failure to conceive a proper transition strategy and prepare for hostilities is what fucked him over.

Did you even bother to research this?

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And on religion: he didn't care about gay marriage

What the fuck are you talking about? (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/24/elec04.prez.bush.marriage/) :lol

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wasn't a hardcore pro-lifer

... What does this mean? He didn't blow up abortion clinics? He's always been pro-life and his policy has reflected that. Now you're making stuff up! :lol

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and did not like the religious right.

Where are you getting this from? He had faith-based advisors on call, regularly. He loved the religious right - they got him elected! He thought Evangelicals were a little nuts, but was happy to use them for political gain. But the guy was religious, man.

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Sure he read the bible and prayed, but he certainly was not the culture warrior he pretended to be in order to distract voters from Big Issues. And you seriously call this man genuine.

Again, this isn't grounded in reality. Did you completely forget his eight years in office?

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Explain how he didn't have to compromise with Big Pharma? There was not support in the senate for buying perscription drugs over the border. David Vitter and other republicans support for it is no different from republicans claiming cuts in military spending "could" be necessary to cut the deficit: their intention is purely political, and ultimately corporate and political interests determine how they'd actually act if those situations were brought up.

Negotiating with Big Pharma behind close doors had nothing to do with the votes on importing or negotiating prices on prescription drugs (which they could have gotten the votes for; six Republicans jumped rank and file when it was introduced before), but creating an ally that could contribute financially to the PR campaign.

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There were not 60 votes for a public option. There weren't 60 votes for a medicare buy-in. There weren't 60 votes to lower the medicare age limit. What exactly could Obama do?

I never said there was. This would have the lone concession I could understand, but Obama caved in totally.

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The financial reg bill is an even worse example: there weren't 60 votes to break up the banks, end too big to fail, full Volker Rule, etc. Dodd was pretty firmly up Wall Street's asses, and republicans weren't going to give Obama a political victory.

There were sixty votes. Eighteen months ago. You can't play this card; just because Obama blew his political capital on HCRA, doesn't mean he gets a pass for blowing it with financial reform. This should have been first. See: a page ago.

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Civil liberty issues often fall directly in the hands of the executive branch, and Obama has shown himself to be no different from Bush on this issue. So where's the compromise?

What? How does not doing what you SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DO (based on your idealogical values!), simply out of convenience, not equal of a compromise of principles? You can't even argue on this one!

EDIT: Removed a bit about Republicans being on board with importing and Medicare negotiations, because I can't really cite many instances of the former outside of the pundit circuit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 02:16:55 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:34:48 AM
We allowed FAILING institutions to survive simply because the amount of the market they controlled was so excessive that the failure could wreck the system.

It wasn't the size of the banks that made them liable to wreck the system.  Lehman, which set the whole thing off, wasn't that big (http://financelearners.blogspot.com/2009/04/top-150-largest-financial-institutions.html).  I'm pretty sure Long Term Capital Management, which was the subject of a private rescue orchestrated by the Fed in the late 90's, was even smaller.

Even if all banks were subject to a hard cap, the underlying issues would still be there and the collapse of one institution would be just as threatening to the whole system.  Maybe more so, because there wouldn't be any larger banks able to step in and buy the failing one.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 02:18:56 AM
How would the collapse of a smaller institution threaten the system more than a behemoth? I'm not trying to be arrogant here. Realistic question that I sincerely do not know the answer to. Math was my worst subject.
Title: But if someone who actually knows this shit wants to correct me, please do.
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2010, 02:40:13 AM
Smaller banks aren't a bigger threat, but banks that are bigger relative to possible buyers.

It's because when a financial institution looks like it might fail and create a downward spiral that will hurt the others, one of the first options is to have a larger institution buy it (and either eat the losses or use their stable position to hold the failing banks assets until the panic is over and they've regained their value).  Remember JP Morgan buying Lehman and Lehman almost being sold to BofA and/or Barclays.

If you cap banks, and one of the banks at or near the max is failing, this isn't an option.

If Willcobank has assets of $2 trillion, and Mandark Holdings is valued at $400 billion, then the big bank can step in and buy the other.  If both of them are right up against the $100 billion ceiling, then it gets trickier.  There are other possible solutions (Willcobank, Cohen Trust, Patel Fargo, and First Cruncheon can create some ad hoc icon rescue group and divvy up the assets in a way that doesn't put them over), but you're taking one off the table.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 02:47:13 AM
At this point I don't know if you're simply mischaracterizing my points or simply don't get them. My point on gay marriage and abortion is that personally, Bush didn't give a shit about either issue. Posting a link to him proposing an (impossible) constitutional amendment is as irrelevant as Lindsy Graham proposing a constitutional amendment to get rid of birthright citizenship: Neither is going to happen, neither represents the actual beliefs of the politician, and both are merely political ploys to pander to the base.

In terms of Bush's religion and views and the religious right
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3686695/Bible-probably-not-true-says-George-Bush.html

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/15/quote-of-the-day-3/

Once again, where is your proof about compromising for nothing? There weren't 60 votes for drugs across the border, and it's laughable to even bring up republicans - they weren't voting for it anyway. The amendment didn't have enough support to be brought to the floor. So you're wrong there.

Obama "blowing" political capitol on health care has nothing to do with financial regulation. It's not hard to imagine a scenario where republicans refused to work with Obama on the issue, even 18 months ago; we've seen their argument against regulation for the last 18 months anyway. Moreover we are talking about today, and as of today there is not support for truly ending TBTF, in the WH or in congress. So you're wrong there.

On civil liberties you have a point; I approached the issue from a point of asking if Obama has compromised in order to get his way on the issue. You're right that he has compromised his ideological positions pre-election. I'm just pointing out this had nothing to do with congress. Good point.

Outside of civil liberties your points are pretty weak. Obama has compromised to get legislature passed. Bush is far from a genuine politician. I'm going to leave it at that, I don't see the point in repeating myself again. I'm far from an Obama apologizer, but the man is not an island. He doesn't decide what passes in the senate. He didn't write the financial regulation bill. We can complain about Obama not fighting hard enough or whatever, but ultimately everything requires 60 votes. If there was no filibuster we wouldn't be having this discussion. Instead we'd be posting in Cheebs threads rating the presidents, putting Obama near the top of the list.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 03, 2010, 04:39:30 AM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 01:32:30 AM
P.P.S. I won't even get involved in the BP fiasco. I'm not talking about the PR image campaign and that junk. And I don't think Obama should be personally fixing the well, but the I do not know why BP was running local law enforcement, allowed to use excessive amounts of dispersant, the federal government made no effort to accurately gauge the amount of oil leaked, why the federal government has not gotten involved in the claims process, nobody knows where the "$20 billion" is, etc.

The BP fund is being held in escow and is being managed by the same guy who oversaw the 911 fund - they're specifically not getting the gov't involved in the claims process by design, other than Obama picking the man to manage the account.

There were stories awhile back that BP did miss the deadline asked for by Obama to set up the fund, that's obviously something he should get involved with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 03, 2010, 09:27:45 AM
No Child Left Behind (http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-bush-profiteers-collect-billions-from-no-child-left-behind/) was nothing but an expensive failure according to my wife who has been a public school teacher for 11 years. It did nothing but regurgitate failed teaching methods that had been abandoned for a decade. But it had its intended effect... make Bush's friends and family a ton of money on the taxpayer's dime.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 02:47:13 AM
\ Posting a link to him proposing an (impossible) constitutional amendment is as irrelevant as Lindsy Graham proposing a constitutional amendment to get rid of birthright citizenship: Neither is going to happen, neither represents the actual beliefs of the politician, and both are merely political ploys to pander to the base.

How can you - with a serious face - say that Bush proposing a ban on same sex marriages does not highlight his opinion on gay marriage? So far, your entire argument has been, "Nah nah, I can't hear you!"

Quote
In terms of Bush's religion and views and the religious right (http://In terms of Bush's religion and views and the religious right
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3686695/Bible-probably-not-true-says-George-Bush.html)

Just because Bush doesn't believe in creationism, doesn't mean he's not religious. Again, he had faith-based advisor sit on cabinet meetings! Just because he's not a diehard Evangelical (I never said he was, despite his connections and the fact that he was born again), doesn't mean he isn't a devout Christian. That's silly - it's painfully obvious that he leans hard right and falls in line with Christianity, but you're equating Evangelical fundamentalism to being Christian. I'm not mis-characterizing your points, you simply don't have one that's valid.

You can criticize Bush for a lot of things, but being a disingenuous Christian is not one of them. :lol

Short form: Your argument is that because he does not blow up abortion clinics, believe in creationism and personally lynch gay married couples that he somehow isn't very religious. Or doesn't like the religious right. None of the facts support this and you don't have to be a fundamentalist to be religious.

EDIT: I'm not going to get involved with a pseudo-strawman argument with you about Obama until you address the fact that you're wrong about Bush's religious leanings and the fact that he enacted reforms he ran on, and we'll move from there. This multi-pronged debate of random conjecture versus facts is too unwieldy.

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No Child Left Behind was nothing but an expensive failure according to my wife who has been a public school teacher for 11 years. It did nothing but regurgitate failed teaching methods that had been abandoned for a decade. But it had its intended effect... make Bush's friends and family a ton of money on the taxpayer's dime.

Oh, it was a disaster, but that was one of the pillars of his 2000 election. He ran on it. He got it. Again, I don't think he's a good President, but say what you want: the man ran on a set of principles and governed by those principles. For better or worse. Maurice has interpreted this to mean I think that he's a better President or something. Not true.

...

Quote from: Mandark
If Willcobank has assets of $2 trillion, and Mandark Holdings is valued at $400 billion, then the big bank can step in and buy the other.  If both of them are right up against the $100 billion ceiling, then it gets trickier.  There are other possible solutions (Willcobank, Cohen Trust, Patel Fargo, and First Cruncheon can create some ad hoc icon rescue group and divvy up the assets in a way that doesn't put them over), but you're taking one off the table.

I understand this. My question to you is if we put a ceiling on these banks, wouldn't the impact be far lesser than if a megabank failed? It might remove the ability for a big bank to buy a smaller bank, but if the bank failed, it would not cripple the system, no?

I think the argument boils down to, do you create a system with a very limited shot of institutions failing by letting other non-capped institutions buy their assets, or creating a system that runs the risk collapsing if a megabank fails. Kind of a difference between losing an arm and a heart attack, no?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 02:42:00 PM
Yes I can and will say Bush didn't care about gay marriage, and his proposal to ban it was nothing more than throwing a bone to the religious right.

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After hosting the anti-gay groups, Bush could hardly wait to tour the country pushing something he really cares about, his immigration bill, fueling the sense of some conservatives that they've been played.

There is always the underlying suspicion that Bush may revert to his family's default position on social issues, which is not to really care. Barbara Bush didn't hide her respect for Planned Parenthood. Laura Bush said on the ``Today'' show in 2001 that she didn't think Roe v. Wade should be overturned. Just last month, the first lady said gay marriage was a sensitive issue that shouldn't be used for political purposes.

Before running for president, Bush surely didn't seem to worry about gay couples. A good friend of mine who worked closely with Bush in Texas was invited by the then-governor to spend the night at the mansion -- with his gay partner. Back then, Bush discussed the issue of gay marriage as a solution to the problem of promiscuity.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=columnist_carlson&sid=axuWXIPksRuE

Bush is certainly religious. My point is that he's far from the bible thumper some portray him and his wife as. "Blowing up" abortion clinics and such has nothing to do with it: the man was more moderate than advertised. His concessions to the religious right were mainly rooted in Karl Rove's electoral strategy to divide the country with wedge issues and motivate the religious vote.

You can use Bush as your excuse, but the fact remains that you're unable to defend your position on Obama, once again; I asked for examples of legislative compromises he made that were not required, and you came up with nothing. Same thing happened with health care the last time we debated it a couple months ago. By your logic, Bush is as hypocritical as Obama. He kept his word on tax cuts, but the few other legislation pieces he passed in no way resembled what he campaigned on, and that's a fact; perhaps the most glaring example is NCLB.

You haven't followed the legislative battles, or you don't understand the political climate in the senate. Obama got three republican votes for financial reg mainly due to compromises and concessions (especially Scott Brown's shit sammich). That's how things work. He runs up against far more opposition yet still has managed to surpass Bush, who could get nearly everything he wanted.

When you actually have some decent points we can continue. Until then, save the Ratigan-esque hyperbole for someone else
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 03, 2010, 04:46:06 PM
Now THIS is how you skewer a republican. Ratigan needs to take notes:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#38528512
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on August 03, 2010, 05:08:21 PM
This can't be real
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/angle-on-the-press-only-ask-the-questions-we-want-to-answer-video.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 03, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 02:42:00 PM
Watch me deflect the argument away with an editorial quote about how Bush might be secretly moderate (although his public record, which apparently I don't follow, is nothing of the sort), and completely disavow idealogical and campaign compromises Obama has made! (Because Congress is tuff!)

You're right, arguing with you is futile! :lol

Still, the best part of this argument was you arguing that Bush is hypocritical to his fabricated religious roots and that a backroom deal with Big Pharma was required. :lol

Good times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
A backroom deal with Pharma saved health care, unfortunately.

You know the argument is poor when someone endlessly pivots away from the main gist of the debate, which is what you tend to do whenever we discuss the "garbage" health care bill, or Obama in general. I asked for one example, you didn't provide one and instead pivoted to Bush. He is not a hardcore religious right figure, and actually had disdain for the movement. That's a fact.

Nor have you explained how Obama could have passed a health care bill that would pass your sniff test and get 60 votes. It passes Paul Krugman's, so I'm fine with it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 03, 2010, 11:22:59 PM
I thought it was common knowledge by now that Bush didn't personally give a shit about gay marriage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2010, 12:08:23 AM
bububu he asked for a constitutional amendment to ban it! clearly he meant serious business, considering how easy it is to amend the constitution and shit. right, right?

Also on a more local note, looks like Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick is going down in flames in the primary. Detroit finally does something right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2010, 02:06:45 AM
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For a commencement address at Furman University in spring 2008, Ed Gillespie wanted to insert a few lines condemning gay marriage. Bush called the speech too "condemnatory" and said, "I'm not going to tell some gay kid in the audience that he can't get married." (Of course, Bush ran his 2004 campaign telling that kid just that.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/20/bush-in-2008-im-not-going_n_292876.html

Couldn't remember where I heard this, finally found a link. Quite the Culture Warrior aye
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2010, 08:55:31 AM
Isn't it funny how you always hear about Obama and the dems trashing the constitution yet it's the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows who want to change it to fit their current worldview?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2010, 12:40:42 PM
I'm mainly talking about how the Reps want to amend the 14th. They are happy to "wrap themselves in the Constitution" except for parts they want changed, and they are the only ones allowed to change it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
It's nothing more than another talking point for them to jump on without fear of actually having to come through on it. Amending the constitution is not a walk in the park, and sane people realize it's not going to happen. But McCain, Graham, McConnel, etc aren't interested in sane people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 04, 2010, 08:51:39 PM
Each side thinks that they have the better interpretation of the Constitution.  Shocking, I know.

Amending the 14th Amendment is just a masturbatory fantasy for the tea partiers to rile them up for the fall.  Not unlike the amendment to ban gay marriage or flag burning during the Bush years - GOP congresspeople know it will never happen ('cept maybe a few here and there like Bachmann) but it keeps their base motivated and energized.  Not really worth discussing IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 04, 2010, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: http://www.denverpost.com/election2010/ci_15673894
Republican gubernatorial candidate Dan Maes is warning voters that Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper's policies, particularly his efforts to boost bike riding, are "converting Denver into a United Nations community."

"This is all very well-disguised, but it will be exposed," Maes told about 50 supporters who showed up at a campaign rally last week in Centennial.

Maes said in a later interview that he once thought the mayor's efforts to promote cycling and other environmental initiatives were harmless and well-meaning. Now he realizes "that's exactly the attitude they want you to have."

"This is bigger than it looks like on the surface, and it could threaten our personal freedoms," Maes said.

:omg :omg :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2010, 12:18:11 AM
I'm still trying to figure out that Gaborn guy on GAF. He's a gay, isn't he? Yet I see him constantly defending right wingers. Is he one of them self hating gays or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 05, 2010, 12:25:34 AM
He's gay but a lolbertopian that thinks libruls=bad, so to deal with the cognitive dissonance of gay-rights being a socially liberal issue, goes through incredible mental contortions to somehow prove liberals are the REAL homophobes somehow.

Basically take JayDubya's demented civil rights ramblings and imagine he was black and actually making them during the civil right's era.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2010, 12:47:12 AM
"How about we let the states decide instead of letting Rosa Parks make us all look bad on tv"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2010, 01:32:10 AM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/6685/header.jpg)
(http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/6685/accomplishment.jpg)
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    Republicans Passed the 14th Amendment

    The 14th Amendment guarantees due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens. It enshrines in the Constitution provisions of the GOP’s 1866 Civil Rights Act. The original purpose of the 14th Amendment was to defend African-Americans from their Democrat oppressors in the post-Civil War South.

    The principal author of the 14th Amendment was U.S. Rep. John Bingham (R-OH).  In Congress, all votes in favor of the 14th Amendment were from Republicans, and all votes against it were from Democrats.

    In 1868, the Republican Governor of New Jersey vetoed an attempt by the Democrat-controlled legislature to rescind the state's ratification of the 14th Amendment.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/4/890292/-Irony-alert:-GOP-touts-proud-14th-amendment-history
 :lol



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2010, 01:44:27 AM
Hey, what they (the repubs) created, they can also take away. :smug

Quote from: Mamacint on August 05, 2010, 12:25:34 AM
He's gay but a lolbertopian that thinks libruls=bad, so to deal with the cognitive dissonance of gay-rights being a socially liberal issue, goes through incredible mental contortions to somehow prove liberals are the REAL homophobes somehow.

Basically take JayDubya's demented civil rights ramblings and imagine he was black and actually making them during the civil right's era.

Oh, so like a gay Uncle Ruckus?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 05, 2010, 02:10:39 AM
It's fun catching up on this thread after a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
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Though calling her "brilliant," Brown – who had been seen as a potential GOP supporter – said she was missing the necessary background to serve as a justice.

"The best umpires, to use the popular analogy, must not only call balls and strikes, but also have spent enough time on the playing field to know the strike zone," Brown said.

Fucking idiot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
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Though calling her "brilliant," Brown – who had been seen as a potential GOP supporter – said she was missing the necessary background to serve as a justice.

"The best umpires, to use the popular analogy, must not only call balls and strikes, but also have spent enough time on the playing field to know the strike zone," Brown said.

Fucking idiot.

The only thing worse is posting an excerpt from an article without posting a link!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2010, 10:29:29 PM
Quote from: T EXP on August 05, 2010, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 05, 2010, 06:15:10 PM
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Though calling her "brilliant," Brown – who had been seen as a potential GOP supporter – said she was missing the necessary background to serve as a justice.

"The best umpires, to use the popular analogy, must not only call balls and strikes, but also have spent enough time on the playing field to know the strike zone," Brown said.

Fucking idiot.

The only thing worse is posting an excerpt from an article without posting a link!


But is it worse than accusing someoene of begin racist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 06, 2010, 10:51:53 AM
http://blogs.alternet.org/oleoleolson/2010/08/05/massive-censorship-of-digg-uncovered/

Freedom. Patriot. Christian.

Quote from: Mohandas (Mahatma) Gandhi
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employment fell for a second straight month in July as more temporary census jobs ended while private hiring rose less than expected, pointing to an anemic economic recovery.

Non-farm payrolls fell 131,000 the Labor Department said on Friday as temporary jobs to conduct the decennial census dropped by 143,000.

Private employment, considered a better gauge of labor market health, rose 71,000 after increasing 31,000 in June. In addition, the government revised payrolls for May and June to show 97,000 fewer jobs than previously reported.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast overall employment falling 65,000 and private-sector hiring increasing 90,000.

The unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent in July for a second straight month, just below market expectations for a rise to 9.6 percent. The steady jobless rate largely reflected a drop in the labor force as discouraged workers gave up the search for jobs.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/08/economy_sheds_131000_jobs_in_july.php?ref=fpa

welcome to the recovery
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2010, 01:55:00 PM
Congrats, Speaker Boehner.  Prepare for endless investigations into Obama's birth certificate and the New Black Panther Party.  The only silver lining is that I imagine it won't take America long to remember why these idiots got voted out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 06:14:43 PM
Quote from: Вiff Кoммiёslaуer on August 06, 2010, 01:55:00 PM
Congrats, Speaker Boehner.  Prepare for endless investigations into Obama's birth certificate and the New Black Panther Party.  The only silver lining is that I imagine it won't take America long to remember why these idiots got voted out.

You mean after they vote out Obama in 2012 and wonder why the fuck they elected Romney?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 06, 2010, 09:25:17 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/06/fareed-zakaria-returns-an_n_674099.html

I always liked Fareed.
Title: A morality play in two parts.
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2010, 04:27:37 AM
Newt Gingrich, multiple divorcee and serial adulterer, pontificates on the sanctity of marriage and the dire threat posed by the homosexual agenda.  Does so online.  Leaves comments open.

As the back of the VHS box says, hilarity ensues (http://www.newt.org/node/1425#disqus_thread).




A few comments saved here (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/scocca/archive/2010/08/05/newt-gingrich-on-gay-marriage-shameless-and-or-fearless.aspx) for if they finally wise up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2010, 12:48:47 PM
"Which one of your multiple marriages was the most sacred to you?" Dayum son

I'd kill to hear him asked that on a political show
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 07, 2010, 04:34:13 PM
God, I would to love to be the liberal bobblehead opposite Newt on some segment. Dunno if a scalpel or a sledgehammer would be more effective though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 08, 2010, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employment fell for a second straight month in July as more temporary census jobs ended while private hiring rose less than expected, pointing to an anemic economic recovery.

Non-farm payrolls fell 131,000 the Labor Department said on Friday as temporary jobs to conduct the decennial census dropped by 143,000.

Private employment, considered a better gauge of labor market health, rose 71,000 after increasing 31,000 in June. In addition, the government revised payrolls for May and June to show 97,000 fewer jobs than previously reported.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast overall employment falling 65,000 and private-sector hiring increasing 90,000.

The unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent in July for a second straight month, just below market expectations for a rise to 9.6 percent. The steady jobless rate largely reflected a drop in the labor force as discouraged workers gave up the search for jobs.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/08/economy_sheds_131000_jobs_in_july.php?ref=fpa

welcome to the recovery

SUMMER OF RECOVERY WOO!

Maybe for an October Surprise, Obama can hire a few hundred thousand ditch diggers to drop the unemployment rate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 10:49:05 AM
Quote from: T EXP on August 08, 2010, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employment fell for a second straight month in July as more temporary census jobs ended while private hiring rose less than expected, pointing to an anemic economic recovery.

Non-farm payrolls fell 131,000 the Labor Department said on Friday as temporary jobs to conduct the decennial census dropped by 143,000.

Private employment, considered a better gauge of labor market health, rose 71,000 after increasing 31,000 in June. In addition, the government revised payrolls for May and June to show 97,000 fewer jobs than previously reported.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast overall employment falling 65,000 and private-sector hiring increasing 90,000.

The unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent in July for a second straight month, just below market expectations for a rise to 9.6 percent. The steady jobless rate largely reflected a drop in the labor force as discouraged workers gave up the search for jobs.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/08/economy_sheds_131000_jobs_in_july.php?ref=fpa

welcome to the recovery

SUMMER OF RECOVERY WOO!

Maybe for an October Surprise, Obama can hire a few hundred thousand ditch diggers to drop the unemployment rate.

Again, you guys are forgetting all the jobs he saved. He probably single handily saved your motherfucking job. Thats how bad ass he is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
[youtube=560,345]oAWsy7VV8oE[/youtube]

How was The View? Did he knock the socks off of the women there? I hope it was worth it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 11:02:37 AM
I bet volunteer Krugman to be the head ditch digger. That would be so awesome he can ramble to the other ditch diggers about how all this ditch digging is gonna get us out of our economic woes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2010, 03:10:25 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
[youtube=560,345]oAWsy7VV8oE[/youtube]

How was The View? Did he knock the socks off of the women there? I hope it was worth it.

Wow, an organized group of young white males in brown shirts, and they boo Obama?  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 08, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
[youtube=560,345]oAWsy7VV8oE[/youtube]

How was The View? Did he knock the socks off of the women there? I hope it was worth it.

oh shut the fuck up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2010, 04:56:40 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: T EXP on August 08, 2010, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employment fell for a second straight month in July as more temporary census jobs ended while private hiring rose less than expected, pointing to an anemic economic recovery.

Non-farm payrolls fell 131,000 the Labor Department said on Friday as temporary jobs to conduct the decennial census dropped by 143,000.

Private employment, considered a better gauge of labor market health, rose 71,000 after increasing 31,000 in June. In addition, the government revised payrolls for May and June to show 97,000 fewer jobs than previously reported.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast overall employment falling 65,000 and private-sector hiring increasing 90,000.

The unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent in July for a second straight month, just below market expectations for a rise to 9.6 percent. The steady jobless rate largely reflected a drop in the labor force as discouraged workers gave up the search for jobs.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/08/economy_sheds_131000_jobs_in_july.php?ref=fpa

welcome to the recovery

SUMMER OF RECOVERY WOO!

Maybe for an October Surprise, Obama can hire a few hundred thousand ditch diggers to drop the unemployment rate.

Add a few hundred thousand ditch fillers, too.

Go Team Keynes!

Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 11:02:37 AM
I bet volunteer Krugman to be the head ditch digger. That would be so awesome he can ramble to the other ditch diggers about how all this ditch digging is gonna get us out of our economic woes.

Quote
CEA: Recovery Act has raised employment "by between 2.5 and 3.6 million." In its fourth quarterly report on the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) stated (http://http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2Fcea_4th_arra_report.pdf%23page%3D2): "The CEA estimates that as of the second quarter of 2010, the ARRA has raised employment relative to what it otherwise would have been by between 2.5 and 3.6 million. These estimates are broadly consistent with the direct recipient reporting data available for 2010:Q1."

Independent analysts agree that recovery act significantly raised employment. In its quarterly report, the CEA included (http://http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whitehouse.gov%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2Fcea_4th_arra_report.pdf%23page%3D23) figures from independent analyses that also credited the recovery act with increasing employment:

Wall Street Journal: 70 percent of economists surveyed said stimulus helped. The Wall Street Journal reported (http://http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052748703625304575115674057260664.html) on March 12 that 38 of the 54 economists it surveyed "said the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act boosted growth and mitigated job losses, while six said the legislation had a net negative effect."

ABC News: Most on panel of economists "think the economy would be worse" without the stimulus. ABC News reported (http://http%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FBusiness%2Feconomic-stimulus-minus-grade%2Fstory%3Fid%3D9867659%26page%3D1) on February 18 that "most" of the economists on its panel "think the economy would be worse today without the big aid package, which totaled $787 billion and was signed into law by President Obama on Feb. 17, 2009."

NABE: 83 percent say stimulus raised GDP. A February survey of 203 members of the National Association for Business Economics (NABE) found (http://http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nabe.com%2Fpublib%2Fpol%2F10%2F03%2Ffiscal.html) that "[e]ighty-three percent believe that GDP is currently higher than it would have been without the 2009 stimulus package (ARRA)."

USA Today: Surveyed economists said "stimulus package saved jobs." USA Today reported (http://http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fmoney%2Feconomy%2F2010-01-25-usa-today-economic-survey-obama-stimulus_N.htm) on January 25:
President Obama's stimulus package saved jobs -- but the government still needs to do more to breathe life into the economy, according to USA TODAY's quarterly survey of 50 economists.
Unemployment would have hit 10.8% -- higher than December's 10% rate -- without Obama's $787 billion stimulus program, according to the economists' median estimate. The difference would translate into another 1.2 million lost jobs.

:derp :derp :derp

you dumb cunts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2010, 05:24:24 PM
"well how come unemployment is at 9.5?" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2010, 06:31:55 PM
This reminds me of when Amity Shlaes said that FDR didn't create any jobs, if you didn't count all of the government jobs he created.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 08, 2010, 08:21:48 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 08, 2010, 04:56:40 PM
:derp :derp :derp

you dumb cunts

Those jobs weren't saved/created because of the stimulus, though.

(http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Picture-66.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 08, 2010, 08:24:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Why would you count those?

Why wouldn't you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 08, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Why would you count those?

Gee, I think it's because it got people working.  Building things.  Getting paid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2010, 08:53:26 PM
Regulating Wall Street? Unconstitutional! Regulating birth-right citizenship? Sure!

Graham:
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No, no. Nobody’s repealing the Fourteenth Amendment. What we’re doing is amending the amendment in a way to allow the Congress to regulate birthright citizenship. These two court cases have interpreted the “jurisdiction of the United States” clause to allow illegal immigrants to come here and their children to be awarded citizenship. I would like to see if we could change that dynamic by statute, but with the Supreme Court rulings I doubt if we can.  The change would be simple.  It would be an amendment to the amendment that would say: Congress has the authority to regulate birth-right citizenship.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/242693/birth-strategy-talking-immigration-lindsey-graham-daniel-foster

lets put an amendment in your amendment so your amendment doesn't work anymore :xzibit

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 08, 2010, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: T EXP on August 08, 2010, 08:32:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Employment fell for a second straight month in July as more temporary census jobs ended while private hiring rose less than expected, pointing to an anemic economic recovery.

Non-farm payrolls fell 131,000 the Labor Department said on Friday as temporary jobs to conduct the decennial census dropped by 143,000.

Private employment, considered a better gauge of labor market health, rose 71,000 after increasing 31,000 in June. In addition, the government revised payrolls for May and June to show 97,000 fewer jobs than previously reported.

Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast overall employment falling 65,000 and private-sector hiring increasing 90,000.

The unemployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent in July for a second straight month, just below market expectations for a rise to 9.6 percent. The steady jobless rate largely reflected a drop in the labor force as discouraged workers gave up the search for jobs.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/08/economy_sheds_131000_jobs_in_july.php?ref=fpa

welcome to the recovery

SUMMER OF RECOVERY WOO!

Maybe for an October Surprise, Obama can hire a few hundred thousand ditch diggers to drop the unemployment rate.

Add a few hundred thousand ditch fillers, too.

Go Team Keynes!

Yea, that's all Keynesianism is about
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 08, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Why would you count those?

Gee, I think it's because it got people working.  Building things.  Getting paid.

As a temporary stopgap.  Paid for by the revenue generated by taxing everyone else's income, meaning it's not really generating much of anything, and doesn't really do much to help the underlying problem.

How many private sector employees with average incomes do you have to use their entire average income tax payment to cover one average public sector employee's salary + benefits?

enough to keep the economy stable enough for those average incomes to be worth something -- or to even exist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:20:06 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 08, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 08, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
Why would you count those?

Gee, I think it's because it got people working.  Building things.  Getting paid.

As a temporary stopgap.  Paid for by the revenue generated by taxing everyone else's income, meaning it's not really generating much of anything, and doesn't really do much to help the underlying problem.

How many private sector employees with average incomes do you have to use their entire average income tax payment to cover one average public sector employee's salary + benefits?

enough to keep the economy stable enough for those average incomes to be worth something -- or to even exist?

No, because they have to either borrow or print money which devalues everyone else's money.

Government cannot create wealth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:37:26 PM
sure they can. wealth is intangible. if folks want to ascribe value to it, they can. all currency is representational. it's all in yer head, man!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:42:43 PM
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it's all in yer head, man!

Liberals economic philosophy...
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 08, 2010, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 10:57:19 AM
[youtube=560,345]oAWsy7VV8oE[/youtube]

How was The View? Did he knock the socks off of the women there? I hope it was worth it.

Wow, a group comprised mostly of young, white Christian males with upper middle class to wealthy parents booing the President? Get out!

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Quote from: Van Cruncheon
sure they can. wealth is intangible. if folks want to ascribe value to it, they can. all currency is representational. it's all in yer head, man!

Want to bet Beardo turns this into a philosophical debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 08, 2010, 09:43:26 PM
BEATEN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:44:07 PM
would you like to show me a currency that has objective value -- that has a value independent of the participants in commerce, and that remains unchanging regardless of the context in which it is observed?

i think you meant "white Christian males from middle- and upper-class families booing a BLACK president?" there willco
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
Say what you want about the Boy Scouts but they are the most wholesome quintessential symbol of american values. Getting booed by them? That's pretty bad. Obama is gonna end up worse than carter at the point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:47:01 PM
Now the scouts are racist?  :rofl

You guys are worse than a stand up comic that returns to open mic night every friday with the same joke.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:49:06 PM
we play to a reliable audience
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 08, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: Beardo
Say what you want about the Boy Scouts but they are the most wholesome quintessential symbol of american values. Getting booed by them? That's pretty bad.

Again, we're talking about a youth organization composed mostly by young, white Christian males with parents of varying degrees of disposable income (i.e. people most likely to be affected by phasing out of Bush tax cuts). It is hardly a snapshot of America.

And I say this as someone who was a Boy Scout.

This is more indicative of the cultural gap in America, not America's attitude towards the President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:51:09 PM
i was kicked out of boy scouts for paying a kid to trash another kid's project, using foul fiat currency

which was the bigger crime, i wonder

typical liberal scum i am
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on August 08, 2010, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
Say what you want about the Boy Scouts but they are the most wholesome quintessential symbol of american values.
Really? The MOST?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:52:11 PM
personally, i would love to see the boy scouts tarred as an artifact of the old and dying white monoculture
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on August 08, 2010, 09:55:17 PM
The type of boy scouts who'd go to some boy scout convention are probably the most annoying of the bunch anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 09:56:21 PM
but also the most willing to turn tricks for merit badges
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 08, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
I left the Boy scouts once I became cognisant of how much of the organization was rooted in Christianity and had seeped into our regional BSA council. It just became uncomfortable at that point, and began to alienate me from my peers (not participating on Christian prayers and such). I want to say about until age seven or eight?

But it truly is the Hitler Youth of America's ruling class, but without mass the genocide and more merit badges. For every inspiring story about the BSA turning around inner city children headed for trouble, there is a Canteen Boy (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80812188/).

Also, in before Beardo disagrees that a large part of white America's hatred for Obama is not rooted in racism, or at the very least, the fear of seeing a Louis C.K. bit come to fruition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CmzT4OV-w0).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 08, 2010, 10:01:15 PM
he's black, and while they don't hate him for his skin color per se, they hate him as a symbol of the new american pluralistic culture from which they are estranged
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 08, 2010, 10:03:37 PM
So, basically, the ruling majority are seeing the sun set and freaking out.

I mean, I can't even hate the man as being some liberal socialist. That's the lamest part. For all the Tea Partiers and Beck groupies that blast the man as some liberal psycopath, he's like, the worst Democrat ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2010, 10:04:12 PM
I can't wait til the repubs take back the house and presidency so we can get back the good old days of letting the rich rip everyone off. All these regulation are just hampering their progress.

Pretty soon, they'll want to amend the saying to The United StatesRepublic of American Conglomerates.  :usacry

Beardo relishes in his new found freedomslavery.

"What went wrong?" - overheard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 08, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
My solution is just to dissolve Congress and let us vote for the corporations directly, not these weasely proxy candidates. Just let me vote for BP, Goldman Sachs, Verizon, etc. so I can try to hold them accountable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2010, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
Say what you want about the Boy Scouts but they are the most wholesome quintessential symbol of american values.
...that was founded in Britain a century ago.

Also,

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2010, 10:34:55 PM
Seriously though, the fact that he watched that video and saw the REAL America is pretty telling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 08, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
Why is it bad that government borrows money it 'doesn't have', but completely okay for a private business to do the same? It's particularly strange because I always hear repubs saying that government should be run like a business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2010, 10:43:16 PM
Thank god the government doesn't run like a business.

speaking of Krugam, warlock of Keynesian Magic...annihilating Paul Ryan
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=2&hp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 08, 2010, 10:47:33 PM
I'm astonished that none of the higher ups in the GOP have told Ryan to stfu already. Sure they all want to get rid of SS, but actually letting people get a chance to find that out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2010, 11:23:29 PM
Why do conservatarians think it's a brilliant insight to point out that government spending is funded either by borrowing or taxation, and why do they think that this implies a zero sum game where the government is only ever capable of redistribution, rather than raising the overall level of production?

Do they not realize that business spending is also funded by debts and revenues?  Or do they also think the private sector is equally incapable of creating wealth?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2010, 12:19:14 AM
Every tax is thievery.

Every expenditure is pork.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2010, 12:55:52 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 08, 2010, 11:23:29 PM
Why do conservatarians think it's a brilliant insight to point out that government spending is funded either by borrowing or taxation, and why do they think that this implies a zero sum game where the government is only ever capable of redistribution, rather than raising the overall level of production?

Do they not realize that business spending is also funded by debts and revenues?  Or do they also think the private sector is equally incapable of creating wealth?

These insights are rarely made by conservatives who happen to be in power; Reagan and Bush II raised spending yearly, and republicans in the house/senate went along with it

Should be funny watching Sen. Rand Paul vote for President Romney's deficit building legislation in a few years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 09, 2010, 09:53:22 AM
I found this hidden treasure trove of pictures that prove that the Scouts are nothing but fascist racists out to destroy everything that we hold dear.


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(http://ollpack427.org/about/1918-Scouting-is-more-than-fun-and-games-logo.jpg)
Look at this young chap. Looks innocent enough until you realize he is actually a dock worker waving in a ship full of slaves fresh from the African coast. *shudder

(http://troop1785.org/images/maki.jpg)
These scouts are actually patrolling the Rio Grande looking for anyone that isn't white. They have been given strict orders to shoot on site. Despicable.
(http://www.troop3.com/images/pictures/EagleScoutRockwell.jpg)
With the liberty Bell in the background it appears harmless right? WRONG! Look at this picture. There isnt one black scout in it. Liberty bell? More like Slavery Bell. This just disgusts me.

(http://www.melrosetroop68.org/Philmont89/Philmont%201989%20Pics/89Philmont0032.JPG)
Hiking. What could represent scouting more than that. A walk in the woods amongst nature; perhaps a few of the scouts are even working on their nature merit badge. Surely, this cannot be anything other than what it seems on the surface. Again my naive friend, you would be wrong. They are actually doing the bidding of the mega-corps under the direct order of Dick Cheney. And what orders are those? They are looking for ways to drill for oil in the middle of our National Parks. They are raping our land.  :'( And just look at the boy on the left. you know he just can't wait to get back and beat a black person.



(http://troop51.ocbsa.org/images/Rockwell_-_Breakthrough_for_Freedom.jpg)
This probably looks like some kind gathering of peace among nations, but only to the untrained eye. It is in fact even more devious than you would think. They are marching towards the white house to demand that minorities sit in the back of the bus. But what about the little black boy in the group you ask? An uncle tom if I ever saw one.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2010, 10:04:03 AM
Who could refudiate that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 09, 2010, 10:15:08 AM
I'm so ashamed of America.   :-\


Save me Obama! Save me from my white guilt.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 09, 2010, 11:17:30 AM
Beardo is being thick on purpose, right?  Right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2010, 12:56:01 PM
Breitbart has sex with goats (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4ce276af14/andrew-breitbart-has-sex-with-goats?rel=player)


"When you get in your car, when you go forward, what do you do? You put  it in 'D,' " Obama said last week at a Democratic National Committee  event in Atlanta. "When you want to go back, what do you? You put it in  'R.' " :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 09, 2010, 02:19:11 PM
duh, obama. and the country wants to go in R until we get back to the time when Things Were Better -- when uppity black folks knew their place, and robber barons were respected!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 09, 2010, 02:27:41 PM
and you can keep you elitist socialized "pavement"

 (http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704913304575370950363737746.html)
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Roads to Ruin: Towns Rip Up the Pavement
Asphalt Is Replaced By Cheaper Gravel; 'Back to Stone Age'

SPIRITWOOD, N.D.—A hulking yellow machine inched along Old Highway 10 here recently in a summer scene that seemed as normal as the nearby corn swaying in the breeze. But instead of laying a blanket of steaming blacktop, the machine was grinding the asphalt road into bits.

...

The moves have angered some residents because of the choking dust and windshield-cracking stones that gravel roads can kick up, not to mention the jarring "washboard" effect of driving on rutted gravel.

But higher taxes for road maintenance are equally unpopular. In June, Stutsman County residents rejected a measure that would have generated more money for roads by increasing property and sales taxes.

"I'd rather my kids drive on a gravel road than stick them with a big tax bill," said Bob Baumann, as he sipped a bottle of Coors Light at the Sportsman's Bar Café and Gas in Spiritwood.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 09, 2010, 02:28:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 09, 2010, 12:56:01 PM
Breitbart has sex with goats (http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4ce276af14/andrew-breitbart-has-sex-with-goats?rel=player)


"When you get in your car, when you go forward, what do you do? You put  it in 'D,' " Obama said last week at a Democratic National Committee  event in Atlanta. "When you want to go back, what do you? You put it in  'R.' " :smug

Obama truly is an intellectual giant. We are not worthy of even his most simple musings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 09, 2010, 04:24:53 PM
certainly a joke at a democratic committee meeting highlights his intellectual capacity.  surely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2010, 05:37:34 PM
When you get called to heaven, it's called Rapture. when you go to hell, it's called Damnation :smug

(http://tinyurl.com/24z7mt8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 09, 2010, 05:52:34 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 08, 2010, 09:45:40 PM
Say what you want about the Boy Scouts but they are the most wholesome quintessential symbol of american values. Getting booed by them? That's pretty bad. Obama is gonna end up worse than carter at the point.

Fuck that.  When I was in high school, I worked at Chuck-E-Cheese and had to attend a Boy Scout jamboree dressed as Chucky and they kicked the fucking crap out of me to the point I took of the costume head and started swinging it at the motherfuckers.

If they represent the most wholesome symbol of american values then we're all completely fucked.  Time to move to Canada.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2010, 05:52:52 PM
No words  :lol
http://minnesotaindependent.com/63120/gop-deletes-14th-amendment-as-an-accomplishment
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 09, 2010, 06:54:09 PM
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Update: The “accomplishments” page is now online. An RNC official insists they never removed the page; before publishing this post, I tried to access the site, multiple times and on different browsers, and found the page in question missing. Doug Heye of the RNC says the GOP site was reorganized, so the “Learn” page, where the accomplishments section lived, became “Issues.”

Awww. Of course, it just wouldn't be the GOP if they happened to be consistent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
So nobody thought it was humorous that there was not a single minority in any of the Boy Scout photos that Beardo posted? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 09, 2010, 07:12:09 PM
This is all kinds of awesome.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/conservapedia_founder_takes_on_the_notorious_liber.php?ref=fpa

After reading such compelling arguments, it's a wonder anyone believes liberals on any area of science, like global warming. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2010, 07:50:31 PM
So many worthy quotes, omg  :lol

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Virtually no one who is taught and believes relativity continues to read the Bible, a book that outsells New York Times bestsellers by a hundred-fold
word?

Reminds me of 50 Cent arguing album sales trump album quality. Bill O'Reilly does this all the time too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 09, 2010, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
So nobody thought it was humorous that there was not a single minority in any of the Boy Scout photos that Beardo posted? :lol

that was the reason i commented in the first place, JESUS H CHRISTOS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2010, 08:40:59 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 09, 2010, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
So nobody thought it was humorous that there was not a single minority in any of the Boy Scout photos that Beardo posted? :lol

that was the reason i commented in the first place, JESUS H CHRISTOS

I'm not talking about the video, I'm talking in his little, sarcastic rebuttal. You didn't reply to that at all!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 09, 2010, 08:44:10 PM
oh, well that's because he's a fat figgurt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2010, 08:58:57 PM
Typical liberal response to paint with broad strokes.

/beardo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 09, 2010, 10:31:50 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2010, 08:40:59 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 09, 2010, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 09, 2010, 07:09:15 PM
So nobody thought it was humorous that there was not a single minority in any of the Boy Scout photos that Beardo posted? :lol

that was the reason i commented in the first place, JESUS H CHRISTOS

I'm not talking about the video, I'm talking in his little, sarcastic rebuttal. You didn't reply to that at all!

 :o

HOLY COW! You have stumbled upon something that even I didnt notice. Perhaps Norman Rockwell as a secret Nazi KKK racist? Further investigation is required.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 09, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
After in-depth research in the bat-lab (aka wikipedia). I found the smoking gun.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
As you can see by this rare photo.
(http://static.ulike.net/img/01_Norman_Rockwell.jpg)

Mr. Rockwell is indeed white. Which means he is racist. Case Closed. I can't believe I missed that one wilco.  I owe you a beer for uncovering the evil truth.

[close]


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2010, 12:31:39 AM
Beardo:  A while back you said that Bush was an underrated president and the real problem was Congress.  How you figure that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 12:41:23 AM
easy: Bush became president in 2006
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 10, 2010, 02:44:57 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKflKzmfRCw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 10, 2010, 07:34:13 AM
Who the fuck cares about the Boy Scouts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
(http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/curvebend.png)
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The new Medicare Trustees Report is out. Comparing Table IIIA-2 in this year’s report and last year’s report, we get this.

In other words, the Medicare actuaries believe that the cost-saving provisions in the Obama health reform will make a huge difference to the long-run budget outlook. Yes, it’s just a projection, and debatable like all projections. And it’s still not enough. But anyone who both claims to be worried about the long-run deficit and was opposed to health reform has some explaining to do. All the facts we have suggest that health reform was the biggest move toward fiscal responsibility in a long, long time.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/bending-the-curve/

in short, ben nelson is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow #2325343
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 10, 2010, 12:31:39 AM
Beardo:  A while back you said that Bush was an underrated president and the real problem was Congress.  How you figure that?

Two separate issues.

1. I dont think Bush was a good president, I just think when history is settled that he will be seen as much better than he was considered at the time.

2. Because all the liberals who rage over the Iraq forget that even Ted Kennedy said that Iraq was dangerous and Saddam needed to be removed. Congress voted to go to war. Bush didnt just push a magic button.


FYI, Blaming bush for all your woes is not going to win elections. I'm sorry that you guys have no other issues that people want to hear about.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
(http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/curvebend.png)
Quote
The new Medicare Trustees Report is out. Comparing Table IIIA-2 in this year’s report and last year’s report, we get this.

In other words, the Medicare actuaries believe that the cost-saving provisions in the Obama health reform will make a huge difference to the long-run budget outlook. Yes, it’s just a projection, and debatable like all projections. And it’s still not enough. But anyone who both claims to be worried about the long-run deficit and was opposed to health reform has some explaining to do. All the facts we have suggest that health reform was the biggest move toward fiscal responsibility in a long, long time.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/bending-the-curve/

in short, ben nelson is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow #2325343



They reduced the cost because they were taking the money from elsewhere right?


What Krugman fails to talk about is that everyone agrees that the Obama health care plan did nothing to combat high medical costs. So why would spending go down?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:25:49 AM
I have a feeling that debate will boil down to a "lol CBO numbers" response, so I'm not biting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:33:30 AM
Wasn't the CBO wrong about the Stimulus? or was it healthcare?

PD, do you think the new Health Bill will lower medical costs?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:44:49 AM
According to the CBO, yes I do believe most people's premiums will go down
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/to_repeat_the_cbo_found_that_p.html

Only problem is many people/businesses will have to wait for some time for the exchanges to be set up before this kicks in. And the problem of some groups having modest to minimal savings

The CBO often under-estimates savings, Beardo...

edit: fuck me I bit  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:49:02 AM
On a side note before I go to work, this is the type of bullshit the WSJ is known for
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704388504575419421407147424.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

Yea, that guy Obama should have listened to is totally bringing Obama down
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
I hope you are right PD. I really really do hope that medical costs go down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:59:34 AM
medical costs would go down a hell of a lot more with a full scale public option or medicare for everyone...but socialized medicine :piss2

amirite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:59:34 AM
medical costs would go down a hell of a lot more with a full scale public option or medicare for everyone...but socialized medicine :piss2

amirite

Sigh...

Yes, clearly making a healthcare a monopoly will decrease costs across the board. Perhaps there are other things you would like socialized too? I want socialized video games. Having multiple VG systems is just too much for the common man to have to worry about. What about the auto industry? Have you seen how many choices are out there? It's just mind boggling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2010, 10:28:57 AM
(http://i36.tinypic.com/3142lvd.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 10:32:01 AM
 :lol That gif never gets old.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 10, 2010, 11:28:47 AM
When buying a car or some video games, I definitely like to take my time and shop around. Just like when my kidneys fail or I'm shitting blood.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 10, 2010, 12:36:44 PM
Sounds like former senator Ted Stevens was involved in a plane crash this morning in Dillingham, Alaska.

CNN isn't confirming him on the flight, but the people I know up there in Dillingham (family has a fish camp in the area, we fly through there yearly) say he was definitely on the plane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 10, 2010, 12:25:03 PM
I just got my auto insurance for the next six months and they sent me a list of car dealers I could buy from.

O wait that was my health insurance. :fbm
I wish buying health insurance was half as easy as buying car insurance. I wonder why its so hard...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 10, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:49:02 AM
On a side note before I go to work, this is the type of bullshit the WSJ is known for
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704388504575419421407147424.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no0e-mkhhbs[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 10, 2010, 04:05:56 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:59:34 AM
medical costs would go down a hell of a lot more with a full scale public option or medicare for everyone...but socialized medicine :piss2

amirite

Sigh...

Yes, clearly making a healthcare a monopoly will decrease costs across the board. Perhaps there are other things you would like socialized too? I want socialized video games. Having multiple VG systems is just too much for the common man to have to worry about. What about the auto industry? Have you seen how many choices are out there? It's just mind boggling.

How would it be a monopoly with the public option? I somehow don't think that if the private insurers saw millions of people opting for the PO, that they would just go "woe is us  :'(" and file for bankruptcy. And if they CAN'T compete to offer better deals, then hey they deserve to fail. That's the free market, baby!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
 :lol

Why cant they compete with government run (and completely subsidized) health care?  :rofl

How old are you? 12?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 10, 2010, 04:48:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
:lol

Why cant they compete with government run (and completely subsidized) health care?  :rofl

How old are you? 12?

The public option would've been cheaper because of efficiencies in economy of scale and bargaining power. It was kiboshed because it'd be too competitive, nothing to do with subsidies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 04:59:20 PM
If only corporations were bigger. Then they would be more efficient and prices would drop.

Curse you Howard Hughes!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 10, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
A public option would have made things a lot cheaper because of what it can bring to the table and what it could do to pricier private competitors (ie, force them to lower prices or go out of business).  Saying "lol, gubment" doesn't really work here.  Not to mention that compared to governments with a public option, we're paying out the ass for health care when we really don't need to be.  Government provides efficiency in this case.

I think the existing bill is a POS but anything to curb the out of control costs works for me.  I'm still not going to give props to a bill that was constructed by Washington getting on their knees and sucking as much corporate cock as possible without being entirely shameless.  The fact that we can't have any type of reform without fellating or subsidizing some type of corporate interest group is disturbing.  It's old Reaganomics shit that has proven not to work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 10, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 04:59:20 PM
If only corporations were bigger. Then they would be more efficient and prices would drop.

Curse you Howard Hughes!!

Isn't Walmart doing this with cheap generic meds?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 05:02:59 PM
So then why do you trust government to be big enough to have "efficiencies in economy of scale and bargaining power." But not companies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 05:04:25 PM
Quote from: T EXP on August 10, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 04:59:20 PM
If only corporations were bigger. Then they would be more efficient and prices would drop.

Curse you Howard Hughes!!

Isn't Walmart doing this with cheap generic meds?

Walmart isn't the government and this can't actually be doing anything good. It's a giant corporation thats full of poopy heads that only want PROFIT!!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 10, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
If private for-profits actually provided good care efficiently, almost no one would give a fuck. The point is, they don't. Sorry if the system as it exists in the real world is intruding on your deep poopy head vs. non-poop head ideological divide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 10, 2010, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 04:39:54 PM
:lol

Why cant they compete with government run (and completely subsidized) health care?  :rofl

How old are you? 12?

 ???

I don't get it. Having a public option for education didn't cause institutions like Harvard and MIT to go under. Why would it be any different with health care?

I love the arguments that people like John McCain made in the past where they said socialized medicine would be so horrible that everyone would hate it, while at th same time it would be popular enough to have people fleeing their private insurers (even the ones apparently happy with their service).

Quote
So then why do you trust government to be big enough to have "efficiencies in economy of scale and bargaining power." But not companies?

Cause we've given them the opportunity to do just that for the past what, 70-80 years, and they've failed to get costs under control.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 10, 2010, 05:37:14 PM
The health care industry has had many a chance in the past century (I believe Theodore Roosevelt had socialized medicine in his platform in his 1912 run) to get their shit together but they refuse to do so.  A competent public option would dislodge their heads from their asses real quick like.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
If non-profit health insurance was the answer than why don't we see something ala credit unions? A non-profit member run organization? I'm a member of a credit union and I love it!  I would probably join the health insurance equivalence in a heart beat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 05:39:36 PM
In your liberal minds what the most efficient government agency?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 10, 2010, 05:43:29 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 05:38:34 PM
If non-profit health insurance was the answer than why don't we see something ala credit unions? A non-profit member run organization? I'm a member of a credit union and I love it!  I would probably join the health insurance equivalence in a heart beat.

because money - real money, by which I mean fiat currency with nothing backing it - is a fungible commodity
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 05:46:34 PM
And your argument is that healthcare isnt...  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2010, 06:12:39 PM
Healthcare isn't a commodity. It's not bought to make a product to sell for profit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Why do American conservatives always treat government-run health care like a hypothetical?  It's always in theoretical terms, couched in the ideology of anti-government rhetoric, and ignoring, y'know, the actual first-world countries that seem to make it work allright here in reality...  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2010, 08:53:13 PM
Because they have to create their boogyman. It justifies their existence. Conservatives hate government because they see it as inefficient at what it's supposed to do with their money. Then they vote for people who make it inefficient so they can point and say, "See?! Told you!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Why do American conservatives always treat government-run health care like a hypothetical?  It's always in theoretical terms, couched in the ideology of anti-government rhetoric, and ignoring, y'know, the actual first-world countries that seem to make it work allright here in reality...  ???

Even when they don't couch it in a hypothetical they demonize the places that do have it. As in Canada sucks and so does their health care system. They have no interest in actually debating the issue. They have drawn a theoretical line in the sand against anymore "big government" in whatever form that constitutes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:38:29 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Why do American conservatives always treat government-run health care like a hypothetical?  It's always in theoretical terms, couched in the ideology of anti-government rhetoric, and ignoring, y'know, the actual first-world countries that seem to make it work allright here in reality...  ???

bububu wait times!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 10, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
People are left to die in Canada's emergency rooms :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on August 10, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
People are left to die in Canada's emergency rooms :'(

Actually, we leave people to die on northern ice floes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:44:24 PM
Kind of ironic Stevens died in a plane with a lobbyist. RIP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2010, 11:18:20 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/linda-mcmahon-wins-gop-pr_n_677923.html
 :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on August 11, 2010, 06:08:28 AM
Quote from: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Why do American conservatives always treat government-run health care like a hypothetical?  It's always in theoretical terms, couched in the ideology of anti-government rhetoric, and ignoring, y'know, the actual first-world countries that seem to make it work allright here in reality...  ???

Hehe, you reminded me of the classic John Oliver bit from Hawaii

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 11, 2010, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on August 11, 2010, 06:08:28 AM
Quote from: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Why do American conservatives always treat government-run health care like a hypothetical?  It's always in theoretical terms, couched in the ideology of anti-government rhetoric, and ignoring, y'know, the actual first-world countries that seem to make it work allright here in reality...  ???

Hehe, you reminded me of the classic John Oliver bit from Hawaii

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap)


Region-blocked.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 11, 2010, 08:24:22 AM
Quote from: Boogie on August 11, 2010, 07:18:41 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on August 11, 2010, 06:08:28 AM
Quote from: Boogie on August 10, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
Why do American conservatives always treat government-run health care like a hypothetical?  It's always in theoretical terms, couched in the ideology of anti-government rhetoric, and ignoring, y'know, the actual first-world countries that seem to make it work allright here in reality...  ???

Hehe, you reminded me of the classic John Oliver bit from Hawaii

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-11-2010/the-apparent-trap)


Region-blocked.  :'(

See. Canada sucks. Who would want to live there.
Title: Sheesh
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
(http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/curvebend.png)

Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
They reduced the cost because they were taking the money from elsewhere right?
No.

Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
What Krugman fails to talk about is that everyone agrees that the Obama health care plan did nothing to combat high medical costs.

That is not a true statement at all.

Quote from: Beardo on August 10, 2010, 09:18:20 AM
So why would spending go down?

Because of cost-control measures in the bill.  Ones which were discussed ad nauseum during the process, so it's not exactly a secret.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 11, 2010, 06:48:27 PM
[youtube=560,345]P4jiqYcUoOk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2010, 08:00:12 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/us/politics/11carolina.html?_r=2&hp


You just can't make this shit up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 11, 2010, 08:13:15 PM
Ah yes, mr. hypocrite himself. Mr. family values that yelled for Clinton to be impeached yet scoffs at the notion he should lose his job doing the same exact thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2010, 11:43:45 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/TGPjSkvRU5I/AAAAAAAACj8/CczbB-mB8qk/s400/atlantic.png)
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/09/the-point-of-no-return/8186/3/
:drudge

Glen Greenwald's epic smackdown:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/12/goldberg/index.html

I must admit I wasn't familiar with Goldberg on a name basis until today; I'm sure I read some of his stuff during the run up to the Iraq war, just didn't take note of the name. Not only does he serve up a bold face lie in the first sentence, he also provides this gem, quoted in Greenwald's article


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Jeffrey Goldberg, in the new cover story in The Atlantic, on an Israeli attack on Iran:

    "Israel has twice before successfully attacked and destroyed an enemy's nuclear program. In 1981, Israeli warplanes bombed the Iraqi reactor at Osirak, halting -- forever, as it turned out -- Saddam Hussein's nuclear ambitions; and in 2007, Israeli planes destroyed a North Korean-built reactor in Syria.  An attack on Iran, then, would be unprecedented only in scope and complexity."

Good news!  Israel can successfully end a country's nuclear program by bombing them, as proven by its 1981 attack on Iraq, which, says Goldberg, halted "forever, as it turned out -- Saddam Hussein’s nuclear ambitions."

Jeffrey Goldberg, The New Yorker, 2002, trying to convince Americans to fear Iraq:

    "Saddam Hussein never gave up his hope of turning Iraq into a nuclear power. After the Osirak attack, he rebuilt, redoubled his efforts, and dispersed his facilities. Those who have followed Saddam's progress believe that no single strike today would eradicate his nuclear program."

When it suited him back then, Goldberg made the exact opposite claim, literally, of the one he makes today.  Back then, Goldberg wouldn't possibly claim what he claims now -- that the 1981 strike permanently halted Saddam's "nuclear ambitions" -- because, back then, his goal was to scare Americans about The Threat of Saddam.  So in 2002, Goldberg warned Americans that Saddam had "redoubled" his efforts to turn Iraq into a nuclear power after the Israeli attack, i.e., that Saddam had a scarier nuclear program than ever before after the 1981 bombing raid.  But now, Goldberg has a different goal:  to convince Americans of the efficacy of bombing Iran, and thus, without batting an eye, he simply asserts the exact opposite factual premise:  that the Israelis successfully and permanently ended Saddam's nuclear ambition back in 1981 by bombing it out of existence (and, therefore, we can do something similar now to Iran).
:lol

I can't wait to see how Goldberg possibly responds to this, and whether the media trumpets his claims over the next couple weeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10?siteid=e2eaol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 13, 2010, 05:06:00 AM
So "Anchor Babies" are now being regarded as possible future terrorists? ghahahahah. This seems like a new level of shameless terrorism linking. They're being referred to as "Terror Babies" :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 13, 2010, 09:05:29 AM
Anchor Babies is my new favorite term
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 13, 2010, 02:29:26 PM
I cannot believe that there are people in this country who would give a fuck about Iran at this point.

 Our economy is completely in the shitter, we are in a boondoggle of a war in Afghanistan, the Republicans would have you believe that the mongrel hordes are flowing over the southern border (i.e. we do need immigration reform, or at least a real discourse)

.....and a few dumb cunts want to make war with Iran.  Awesome....just awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2010, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on August 13, 2010, 05:06:00 AM
So "Anchor Babies" are now being regarded as possible future terrorists? ghahahahah. This seems like a new level of shameless terrorism linking. They're being referred to as "Terror Babies" :lol

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUA7obmYvPk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
"did you read your own website? did you read what Tony said?"

what the FUCK  :lol

"help us fill the hole, Anderson"
 :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 13, 2010, 11:49:57 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-mosque-20100814,0,7153887.story?track=rss

Secret Muslamonazi confirmed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2010, 01:22:39 AM
Quote from: Arde0 on August 13, 2010, 02:29:26 PM
I cannot believe that there are people in this country who would give a fuck about Iran at this point.

 Our economy is completely in the shitter, we are in a boondoggle of a war in Afghanistan, the Republicans would have you believe that the mongrel hordes are flowing over the southern border (i.e. we do need immigration reform, or at least a real discourse)

.....and a few dumb cunts want to make war with Iran.  Awesome....just awesome.

What it all boils down to is that a bunch of nervous Jews want to.  REAL TALK.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2010, 11:31:37 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-finkelstein/eric-cantor-offers-south_b_679988.html
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2010, 03:49:35 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606238.html

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2010, 06:13:52 PM
OMFG
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/16/alvin-greene-howls-after_n_683691.html
 :lol

I pray to god this man wins
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 17, 2010, 03:54:44 PM
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=185060 (http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=185060)


First it's 8 days and now its 3.....fuck you John Bolton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 17, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
Obama visited Sub Pop Records in Seattle today. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2010, 05:20:07 PM
Obama the Shellac fan :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 18, 2010, 03:22:09 PM
i am shocked by this turn of events

shocked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2010, 04:41:25 PM
Gov. Appalachian Trail also ended taking stimulus money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 18, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
The Republican neocon hypocrisy is absolutely mindblowing. 

Makes me want to move to Canada.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 18, 2010, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 18, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
The Republican neocon hypocrisy is absolutely mindblowing. 

Makes me want to move to Canada.

I've got a futon available in my living room.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 18, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
Can it fit two?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 18, 2010, 09:35:51 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 18, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
Can it fit two?

Yes.  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 18, 2010, 09:38:19 PM
Then I imagine Angie and I will be up there sometime after the 2010 elections.  Make some sandwiches.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 18, 2010, 09:43:45 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2010, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 18, 2010, 09:30:59 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 18, 2010, 09:17:16 PM
The Republican neocon hypocrisy is absolutely mindblowing. 

Makes me want to move to Canada.

I've got a futon available in my living room.

...but where will the horse sleep?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2010, 12:04:41 AM
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/18/dean/index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/18/dean/index.html)

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2010, 12:34:39 AM
I saw that headline on TPM and almost broke shit. Then I heard the audio was posted by Breitbart so I thought maybe just maybe it was another smear edit drive-by. Then I heard it's legit and I want to break shit even more

TLDR:  >:( :-\  :omg  >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 19, 2010, 04:19:24 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2010, 12:04:41 AM
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/18/dean/index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/18/dean/index.html)

:fbm
Oh yeah guess who was right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2010, 04:36:57 PM
I normally try to ignore Palin cause she's just trolling, but I'll take the bait on this one: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/sarah-palin-defends-dr-laura.html


SarahPalinUSA  Dr.Laura:don't retreat...reload! (Steps aside bc her 1st Amend.rights ceased 2exist thx 2activists trying 2silence"isn't American,not fair")

SarahPalinUSA  Dr.Laura=even more powerful & effective w/out the shackles, so watch out Constitutional obstructionists. And b thankful 4 her voice,America!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2010, 04:43:10 PM
but what about sensitivity, Sarah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 19, 2010, 04:50:15 PM
i think sarah palin is really the only politician i'd probably hit if i came with in striking distance and she opened her mouth.  she reminds me of every annoying religious woman (the mist) cliche in every movie, but worse because she's real and she influences and affects my surroundings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 20, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/goldberg/index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/goldberg/index.html)

wow, complete destruction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 20, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 20, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/goldberg/index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/goldberg/index.html)

wow, complete destruction.

Update IV seals the deal. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on August 21, 2010, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: Arde0 on August 20, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 20, 2010, 05:13:13 PM
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/goldberg/index.html (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/goldberg/index.html)

wow, complete destruction.

Update IV seals the deal. 

Eviscerated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2010, 12:44:04 AM
Wow, destroyed yet again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 21, 2010, 12:59:39 AM
I'm sure Greenwald is right (or at least more right) on the merits, but I ain't reading that.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find two dudes who cling as tenaciously and humorlessly to political e-beef than those two.  It's like Ichi-GS with a bigger audience.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2010, 01:04:32 AM
"change ur blog glenn"
"no u"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 21, 2010, 01:20:43 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 21, 2010, 12:59:39 AM
I'm sure Greenwald is right (or at least more right) on the merits, but I ain't reading that.
 
You'd be hard pressed to find two dudes who cling as tenaciously and humorlessly to political e-beef than those two.  It's like Ichi-GS with a bigger audience.

well, shit, now I feel all dirty an' shit for reading most of that link.  Thanks, Mandark!  :-X :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 21, 2010, 07:27:57 AM
Can someone help me to understand how Russia is helping Iran with it's nuclear reactor in direct contravention with United Nations resolutions concerning the Iranian enrichment of uranium?  I don't quite understand how a permanent member of the security council can do this.....sorry, woefully ignorant of how the UN works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 21, 2010, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: Arde0 on August 21, 2010, 07:27:57 AM
Can someone help me to understand how Russia is helping Iran with it's nuclear reactor in direct contravention with United Nations resolutions concerning the Iranian enrichment of uranium?  I don't quite understand how a permanent member of the security council can do this.....sorry, woefully ignorant of how the UN works.

Basically, Putin is a Bond villain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 22, 2010, 01:43:21 PM
Quote from: Arde0 on August 21, 2010, 07:27:57 AM
Can someone help me to understand how Russia is helping Iran with it's nuclear reactor in direct contravention with United Nations resolutions concerning the Iranian enrichment of uranium?  I don't quite understand how a permanent member of the security council can do this.....sorry, woefully ignorant of how the UN works.

It's not actually against any UN resolutions (all of which Russia had to vote for in order to pass).  There are limited sanctions aimed at Iran, but no wholesale ban on nuclear development.  The facility in question is being monitored closely by the IAEA to make sure it's used as a power plant rather than for weaponizing plutonium.

The official rationale of the sanctions have to do with Iran not fully cooperating with the IAEA or abiding by the Non-Proliferation Treaty (setting up a secret facility at Qom, doing some sort of reprocessing/enrichment shenanigans).  Supervised nuclear power isn't prohibited, so long as all the right things are properly accounted for.  This deal has been a while in the making, and Russia wouldn't have voted for any sanctions that would have scuttled it.

At least that's my vague understanding of the situation.  Anyone who actually knows their onions is welcome to explain it better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2010, 07:44:45 PM
I feel slightly dirty saying this, but David Gregory's been doing a pretty good job of grilling republicans on the tax cuts and the deficits for the past few weeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 22, 2010, 11:03:22 PM
(http://assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/business/median%20longterm%20unemployment.png)


Quote
“The most important number here for this recovery plan is how many jobs it produces, not how many votes it gets,” Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel



Whatever happened to old Rahm-bo anyways? They've kept him tucked away for quite awhile now.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
too bad Obama's not a reincarnated Jimmy Carter or we'd have some killer jobs numbers right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 12:25:56 AM
Oh, don't pay him no mind.  I just checked at GAF and he's still doing his old schtick, holding up a "moderate" Republican as a paragon of virtue (George Voinovich in the Newt role) and retconning recent political history to make libruls look worse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2010, 12:31:17 AM
So angry. But when your viewpoints have the political relevance and influence of the libertarians, I would be angry too.


Bernie Sanders 2012. Let's shoot for 2%!

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 04:19:14 AM
Hey, my guy won and I'm getting most of what I expected out of it.  Presumably you just haven't been keeping up with the thread and figured I'd take the Triumph line, so fair mistake.  Plus as a pro-gay, pro-choice Republican you can't really be against minority political views, eh?

But seriously, don't fall too hard for Voinovich.  He's all "Grrrr!  Deficits!" now, but he voted for the all the worst budget-busters of the Bush era (tax cuts, Iraq, Medicare Part D) and some of the medium-sized ones to boot.  If you really care about this stuff you shouldn't be letting him off the hook so easy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2010, 08:46:29 AM
Yea dude, you should be hip with the republican who's actually a serious man with respect to the budget: Paul Ryan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 23, 2010, 10:46:33 AM
Here is a pretty entertaining read on the Koch family. It's long though.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 23, 2010, 02:36:08 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/sharron-angle-campaigned-_n_687510.html

the woman is insane
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 23, 2010, 10:46:33 AM
Here is a pretty entertaining read on the Koch family. It's long though.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1

Vast right wing conspiracy? Is it 1997 again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 23, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 02:58:41 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 23, 2010, 10:46:33 AM
Here is a pretty entertaining read on the Koch family. It's long though.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1

Vast right wing conspiracy? Is it 1997 again?

Quote
Many of the ideas propounded in the 1980 campaign presaged the Tea Party movement. Ed Clark told The Nation that libertarians were getting ready to stage “a very big tea party,” because people were “sick to death” of taxes. The Libertarian Party platform called for the abolition of the F.B.I. and the C.I.A., as well as of federal regulatory agencies, such as the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Department of Energy. The Party wanted to end Social Security, minimum-wage laws, gun control, and all personal and corporate income taxes; it proposed the legalization of prostitution, recreational drugs, and suicide. Government should be reduced to only one function: the protection of individual rights. William F. Buckley, Jr., a more traditional conservative, called the movement “Anarcho-Totalitarianism.”

Of course these rights would be debatable.

How can you defend this shit, Beardo? If these people had their way, we would all work for Koch. Earn credits to pay to rent your apartment from Koch and buy goods from the store Koch owned. You would own nothing in their world. The only way you could be rich would be if you were born into it.

Quote
In 1997, for instance, the E.P.A. moved to reduce surface ozone, a form of pollution caused, in part, by emissions from oil refineries. Susan Dudley, an economist who became a top official at the Mercatus Center, criticized the proposed rule. The E.P.A., she argued, had not taken into account that smog-free skies would result in more cases of skin cancer. She projected that if pollution were controlled it would cause up to eleven thousand additional cases of skin cancer each year.  :duh

In 1999, the District of Columbia Circuit Court took up Dudley’s smog argument. Evaluating the E.P.A. rule, the court found that the E.P.A. had “explicitly disregarded” the “possible health benefits of ozone.” In another part of the opinion, the court ruled, 2-1, that the E.P.A. had overstepped its authority in calibrating standards for ozone emissions. As the Constitutional Accountability Center, a think tank, revealed, the judges in the majority had previously attended legal junkets, on a Montana ranch, that were arranged by the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment—a group funded by Koch family foundations. The judges have claimed that the ruling was unaffected by their attendance. :smug
Quote
Ideas don’t happen on their own,” Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, a Tea Party advocacy group, told me. “Throughout history, ideas need patrons.” The Koch brothers, after helping to create Cato and Mercatus, concluded that think tanks alone were not enough to effect change. They needed a mechanism to deliver those ideas to the street, and to attract the public’s support. In 1984, David Koch and Richard Fink created yet another organization, and Kibbe joined them. The group, Citizens for a Sound Economy, seemed like a grassroots movement, but according to the Center for Public Integrity it was sponsored principally by the Kochs, who provided $7.9 million between 1986 and 1993. Its mission, Kibbe said, “was to take these heavy ideas and translate them for mass America. . . . We read the same literature Obama did about nonviolent revolutions—Saul Alinsky, Gandhi, Martin Luther King. We studied the idea of the Boston Tea Party as an example of nonviolent social change. We learned we needed boots on the ground to sell ideas, not candidates.” Within a few years, the group had mobilized fifty paid field workers, in twenty-six states, to rally voters behind the Kochs’ agenda. David and Charles, according to one participant, were “very controlling, very top down. You can’t build an organization with them. They run it.”

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
Quote
How can you defend this shit, Beardo? If these people had their way, we would all work for Koch. Earn credits to pay to rent your apartment from Koch and buy goods from the store Koch owned. You would own nothing in their world. The only way you could be rich would be if you were born into it.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You really think I wake up in the morning wishing for this shit? You're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged if that what you think conservatives actually want.

The rub is that YOU actually do want this exact garbage that you think you are against, only you give it a different name. Not with a corporation but with the government. You want a cradle to grave nanny-state where we all are not allowed to do anything without some kind of bureaucratic nightmare. Oh please, Mr. personal overseer can I scratch my ass? Oh, I need a form-77 before I can scratch my ass? Oh okay. You know what I do when I dont want to deal with a big corporation. I just stop using them. Thats it. It's actually very easy. How do you stop using government. You can't. You're dystopian nightmare is the exact thing that you are wishing for.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 23, 2010, 06:06:06 PM
sometimes i think it's funny how dumdum libertarians think more government control means less freedom for the average person, when in actuality it just mostly means more restrictions for wealthy business owners
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 23, 2010, 06:08:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
Quote
How can you defend this shit, Beardo? If these people had their way, we would all work for Koch. Earn credits to pay to rent your apartment from Koch and buy goods from the store Koch owned. You would own nothing in their world. The only way you could be rich would be if you were born into it.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You really think I wake up in the morning wishing for this shit? You're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged if that what you think conservatives actually want.

The rub is that YOU actually do want this exact garbage that you think you are against, only you give it a different name. Not with a corporation but with the government. You want a cradle to grave nanny-state where we all are not allowed to do anything without some kind of bureaucratic nightmare. Oh please, Mr. personal overseer can I scratch my ass? Oh, I need a form-77 before I can scratch my ass? Oh okay. You know what I do when I dont want to deal with a big corporation. I just stop using them. Thats it. It's actually very easy. How do you stop using government. You can't. You're dystopian nightmare is the exact thing that you are wishing for.





:lol

:-\

Where to even start
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
In Beardo's mind:

Filling out forms = zomg dystopian nightmare!  :usacry

Irritation at filling out forms = rugged frontier rebelliousness!  :punch




Mind you I think that'd make for some terribly dull sci-fi, but whatever gets you going, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 23, 2010, 06:48:41 PM
but what does beardo do when the CORPORATIONS OWN THE GUBMINT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 23, 2010, 06:50:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
In Beardo's mind:

Filling out forms = zomg dystopian nightmare!  :usacry

Irritation at filling out forms = rugged frontier rebelliousness!  :punch




Mind you I think that'd make for some terribly dull sci-fi, but whatever gets you going, man.

but...the unincorporated man!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
The funny/sad thing is that there are some good points to be made against certain regulatory/licensing/zoning laws that are more trouble than they're worth.

But mostly what you hear are dumb, dogmatic rants like Beardo's.  Government is always bad and crushing your freedom with rules and regulation and it's terrible horrible awful and there's no benefit and wah wah wah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUyLwXhqlWU).  It's just so silly.  How can you respond to that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 23, 2010, 07:09:59 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 04:51:11 PM
Quote
How can you defend this shit, Beardo? If these people had their way, we would all work for Koch. Earn credits to pay to rent your apartment from Koch and buy goods from the store Koch owned. You would own nothing in their world. The only way you could be rich would be if you were born into it.

What the fuck is wrong with you? You really think I wake up in the morning wishing for this shit? You're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged if that what you think conservatives actually want.

No, I don't think that is what you want. But it's exactly what the people who conservatives vote for want.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
How can you respond to that?

You cant and you wont.

My nightmare scenario of self sacrifice to the state exists on earth. Your corporation dystopian society does not and has never existed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 07:40:39 PM
Oh I forgot Places like North Korea are probably "workers paradises" to you guys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
What are you on about?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 07:45:30 PM
What's the corporatist equivalent to Pol Pot?


Koch?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2010, 07:54:09 PM
FoC redeemed
Quote
Are Ron and Rand Paul on opposite sides of the Cordoba House debate? Rand, running for Senate in Kentucky, has taken the standard GOP line on the project -- namely, it's up to New York officials to decide the project's fate, but personally he's against it. And now, in an extremely strongly-worded statement posted to his movement's website Friday, father Ron ripped into opponents of the Cordoba House project, saying that the rhetoric taking on the plan is clearly "all about hate and Islamaphobia."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/rand-vs-ron-cordoba-house-drives-wedge-through-the-paul.php?ref=fpb

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 23, 2010, 08:02:29 PM
wow, uh, go Ron Paul?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 23, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
Mandark: "I agree some regulation is an unnecessary hassle"

Beardo:  "But what about North Korea!"

 :wtf

Pop quiz!

Which of the following aspects of North Korea makes it a dystopian nightmare?

A)  Lack of a transparent and fair judiciary.
B)  Fiat rule with no legitimate electoral system or civil society institutions.
C)  Suppression of communication both within the country and internationally, including no free press.
D)  Use of the military to keep people trapped within the country.
E)  An inefficient and somewhat redundant bureaucracy.
F)  The fact that liberals love it so damn much.


Remember, there can be more than one answer!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 04:19:14 AM

But seriously, don't fall too hard for Voinovich.  He's all "Grrrr!  Deficits!" now, but he voted for the all the worst budget-busters of the Bush era (tax cuts, Iraq, Medicare Part D) and some of the medium-sized ones to boot.  If you really care about this stuff you shouldn't be letting him off the hook so easy.


Voinovich voted against the stimulus because of the way the money was spent, not the total sum itself.


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Instead of funding federal responsibilities that are shovel-ready, like highways, sewers and housing, which would put people back to work quickly and the results of which would contribute to our nation's economic growth, this bill is filled with items that should be funded through the regular appropriations process and compete with other federal priorities in President Obama's budget request.

Said at the time of passing the stimulus bill. Not exactly the words of libertarian-esque Republican you like to pillory on the forum.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
Voinovich voted against the stimulus because of the way the money was spent, not the total sum itself.

Be honest now.  It was a bit of both, and you truncating the press release.

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When the Senate voted recently on the non-stimulative spending bill, Sen. Voinovich expressed his disappointment that Congress and the president did not do the work the American people asked them to do: ensure that each and every dollar in this bill is focused on creating jobs, jump-starting the economy and responding to the human needs brought about by the deep recession our country is experiencing. The $789 billion spending package will add more than $1.1 trillion to the national debt over 10 years when interest is included. The Congressional Budget Office projects that this bill will push the deficits for 2009, 2010 and 2011 to well-over a trillion dollars on average. Because of this, the conference report raises the debt limit to an astounding $12.1 trillion compared to today’s already staggering debt of $9.85 trillion. When Sen. Voinovich came to the Senate in 1999, the debt was at $5.6 trillion – less than half of what it is soon to become. Sen. Voinovich said he voted against the bill because it is weighed down by too much spending that is not stimulative and will not provide the jump-start our economy so desperately needs. Instead of funding federal responsibilities that are shovel-ready, like highways, sewers and housing, which would put people back to work quickly and the results of which would contribute to our nation’s economic growth, this bill is filled with items that should be funded through the regular appropriations process and compete with other federal priorities in President Obama’s budget request. Alternatively, Sen. Voinovich worked closely with a group of Senate Republicans who hoped to forge a bipartisan compromise with the Democrats. This group identified roughly $300 billion in spending that arguably does not belong in this bill.

Anyways, when a Senator of either party says that spending on X will stimulate the economy better than spending on Y, my assumption (barring some solid wonkish evidence) is that X will simply funnel more dollars to their constituencies or pet projects.  Don't have any reason to assume Voinovich is uniquely scrupulous.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2010, 09:00:17 PM
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=21745&type=category&category=10&go.x=3&go.y=6

For the Bush tax cuts, Iraq war, medicare part D, etc.

yea...don't want to hear him talking about fiscal responsibility.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
Because he voted for programs that are not initiated by Democrats, that is fiscally irresponsible?  Sure okay.

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Anyways, when a Senator of either party says that spending on X will stimulate the economy better than spending on Y, my assumption (barring some solid wonkish evidence) is that X will simply funnel more dollars to their constituencies or pet projects

If this were true, than why would he say this?

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this bill is filled with items that should be funded through the regular appropriations process and compete with other federal priorities in President Obama's budget request.

Which strikes me as amazingly prescient given what we know about the outcome of the stimulus bill today and it doesn't outrightly dismiss all the spending in the bill. He just thought that much of it was unnecessary, rushed spending that should have been done through the proper channels. It wasn't like Ohio was left out in the cold for this bill. 8.2 billion dollars was spent in the state. I don't even think that number factors in the potential high speed rail that may come our way. I don't think you would confuse Voinovich for Ben Nelson in terms of looking for a bigger handout.




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 24, 2010, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: Beardo on August 23, 2010, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 23, 2010, 07:08:21 PM
How can you respond to that?

You cant and you wont.

My nightmare scenario of self sacrifice to the state exists on earth. Your corporation dystopian society does not and has never existed.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2010, 12:44:54 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
Because he voted for programs that are not initiated by Democrats, that is fiscally irresponsible?  Sure okay.

No, because he voted for programs that exploded the deficit but now pretends to be a fiscal sage with a democrat in office.

Sherrod Brown has voted to increase the deficit many times but guess what, I don't care. He's not running around claiming to be something he's not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2010, 01:17:34 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2010, 11:03:00 PM
Because he voted for programs that are not initiated by Democrats, that is fiscally irresponsible?  Sure okay.

No, because he voted to spend lots more money while slashing revenues.  Are you saying those three items weren't fiscally irresponsible, on a very large scale?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on August 24, 2010, 06:05:49 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2010, 08:46:29 AM
Yea dude, you should be hip with the republican who's actually a serious man with respect to the budget: Paul Ryan.

What do you mean "serious"?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=3&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=3&hp)

Quote from: Krugman
Mr. Ryan’s plan calls for steep cuts in both spending and taxes. He’d have you believe that the combined effect would be much lower budget deficits, and, according to that Washington Post report, he speaks about deficits “in apocalyptic terms.” And The Post also tells us that his plan would, indeed, sharply reduce the flow of red ink: “The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan would cut the budget deficit in half by 2020.”

But the budget office has done no such thing. At Mr. Ryan’s request, it produced an estimate of the budget effects of his proposed spending cuts — period. It didn’t address the revenue losses from his tax cuts.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center has, however, stepped into the breach. Its numbers indicate that the Ryan plan would reduce revenue by almost $4 trillion over the next decade. If you add these revenue losses to the numbers The Post cites, you get a much larger deficit in 2020, roughly $1.3 trillion.

And that’s about the same as the budget office’s estimate of the 2020 deficit under the Obama administration’s plans. That is, Mr. Ryan may speak about the deficit in apocalyptic terms, but even if you believe that his proposed spending cuts are feasible — which you shouldn’t — the Roadmap wouldn’t reduce the deficit. All it would do is cut benefits for the middle class while slashing taxes on the rich.

And I do mean slash. The Tax Policy Center finds that the Ryan plan would cut taxes on the richest 1 percent of the population in half, giving them 117 percent of the plan’s total tax cuts. That’s not a misprint. Even as it slashed taxes at the top, the plan would raise taxes for 95 percent of the population.

Finally, let’s talk about those spending cuts. In its first decade, most of the alleged savings in the Ryan plan come from assuming zero dollar growth in domestic discretionary spending, which includes everything from energy policy to education to the court system. This would amount to a 25 percent cut once you adjust for inflation and population growth. How would such a severe cut be achieved? What specific programs would be slashed? Mr. Ryan doesn’t say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2010, 06:44:09 AM
One of my favorite things about political threads at the Bore:  PD joking and people taking him seriously, as a result of his dry delivery and somewhat dubious posting history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 24, 2010, 07:54:57 AM
First soldier killed after pullout:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/22/us-soldier-killed-attack-iraq (ftp://http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/22/us-soldier-killed-attack-iraq)

The interesting part of the article is the statement that Basra had seen an increase in rocket attacks in the weeks leading up to the American troop pullout - which flies in the face of the Pentagon & WH spokesfucks who were crawling all over TV claiming that Iraq was perfectly calm.


Thanks for the clusterfuck W.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 24, 2010, 08:17:11 AM
Mission Accomplished. again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on August 24, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 24, 2010, 06:44:09 AM
One of my favorite things about political threads at the Bore:  PD joking and people taking him seriously, as a result of his dry delivery and somewhat dubious posting history.

Yeah, I'm not sure the entirety of PD's political analysis in 2008 consisted of mere trolling. If it did then he's the best troll ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2010, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 23, 2010, 07:45:42 PM
Liberals want North Korea?  You're making some pretty big assumptions here pal.

Wait, we don't?  ??? I voted* for the communist a-rab BECAUSE of promises of murder factories and mandatory sodomization laws. This isn't change I can believe in! :punch :punch

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 24, 2010, 02:41:15 PM
Its the exact same argument as this garbage...


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How can you defend this shit, Beardo? If these people had their way, we would all work for Koch. Earn credits to pay to rent your apartment from Koch and buy goods from the store Koch owned. You would own nothing in their world. The only way you could be rich would be if you were born into it.

 ...only my point has actually manifested while liberals continue to be alarmed of some kind of corporate boogie man that wants to put a barcode on your ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2010, 03:29:51 PM
So basically you're a conservative because the DMV leads inexorably to communism.  Got it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 24, 2010, 06:40:54 PM
how did beardo miss the late 1800s usa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 24, 2010, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 24, 2010, 06:40:54 PM
how did beardo miss the late 1800s usa

that's when we had all the railroad and steel barons, right
if capitalism is so bad, why are so many of our museums, theaters and art centers are named after those kind gentlemen? :smug

trickle-down culturenomics, kill the NEA

just thinking about 1890s economics is leading to some "vertical integration" ... IN MY PANTS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 24, 2010, 07:36:28 PM
railroad barons, oil barons, steel barons, robber barons

really, it's all because the socialists got rid of the cotton barons :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 24, 2010, 10:17:49 PM
It's funny how they are trained to hate the socialism of Europe and Canada(disregarding the sharp increase in quality of life) never thinking that Europe has hundreds of more years of history. They've already been through this shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 25, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-yorkers-denounce-attack-on-muslim-taxi-driver-20100826-13t09.html

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New Yorkers, including the city's mayor, and several national US organisations, have strongly condemned an attack on a taxi driver believed to have been targeted because he is a Muslim.
:spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 26, 2010, 07:17:39 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 25, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-yorkers-denounce-attack-on-muslim-taxi-driver-20100826-13t09.html

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New Yorkers, including the city's mayor, and several national US organisations, have strongly condemned an attack on a taxi driver believed to have been targeted because he is a Muslim.
:spin

I love that url.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 26, 2010, 07:41:29 AM
bloomberg has been pretty vocal about keeping the "ground zero" mosque where it is
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2010, 02:49:05 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/25/AR2010082503562.html

David Broder slobbers all over John McCain.  Full text:
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John McCain, your country is calling

By David S. Broder
Thursday, August 26, 2010

Now that John McCain has taken care of his political business in Arizona, it is time for him to return to Washington and the responsibilities he bears as a leader of the Republican Party and the nation.

I did not begrudge him the $20 million he spent to win Tuesday's primary, or whatever amount it was. Nor was I bothered by the doctrinal compromises the senator made to convince Arizona voters that he was, in fact, a conservative. McCain has always been a realist, doing what was necessary to survive a North Vietnamese prison camp or a tough political trap. His 2000 embrace of George W. Bush -- a man he had every reason to dislike -- showed his practicality, and it made possible his own presidential nomination in 2008.

It was easy to root for McCain to turn back the challenge from former representative J.D. Hayworth and put himself in a position to win his fifth term in November. The last thing the Senate needs is a loudmouth ex-radio talk show host like Hayworth.

What it does need badly is adult leadership, and it's now incumbent on McCain to demonstrate that he is prepared to fulfill this role for both his party and his country.

After his defeat by Barack Obama, a man about whom he harbors many private reservations, McCain was entitled to step back and catch his breath rather than plunging into renewed political battle. When Hayworth popped up in Arizona, ambitious for the Senate seat, McCain was wise to take the threat seriously and respond forcefully.

But now, as the 73-year-old senator prepares for what may well be his final term in a congressional career that began in 1982, the time has come for McCain to look to his legacy -- and conditions are right.

In a Congress in which Democrats have pitiful approval ratings and Republicans even worse, McCain is one of the few names that does not draw instant contempt from the voters. The reputation he established for independence -- for being his own man, no matter what the pressures -- has survived the vagaries of an exceptionally long career.

That reputation is his ticket to influence, and a precious gift he can bestow on others, Republican or Democrat, who are willing to join him as a dysfunctional Senate prepares to struggle with a challenging agenda both domestic and foreign.

McCain need not muscle anyone out of the way to play the role for which he is uniquely fitted. He simply needs to set his own course and form his own ad hoc alliances, as he has always done, with a Tom Coburn on the right or a Russ Feingold on the left.

One of the conspicuous failings in the past few years has been the absence of a second party making principled decisions on when to support and when to oppose the president. McCain has the best opportunity -- and the best credentials -- to restore this.

He has almost complete political freedom -- a constituency that plainly will not punish him for following his own conscience. There is enough mutual respect between him and the president that McCain's support will be welcomed by the White House and his opposition understood.

It is up to McCain to choose when and how to exert the influence he commands, not just as a senior senator but as a man whom millions were prepared to support as chief executive in two campaigns.

One obvious area where he will be needed is his favorite field, national security. Iraq, where he was prescient and persistent, still poses challenges, and Afghanistan, where Obama badly needs a Republican partner, is likely to be in crisis before it can be called a success. Behind them looms Iran, which could be this nation's next big test.

Hardly less important is the role McCain can play within his own party. In Arizona, he successfully steered the GOP away from an experiment in extremism. He needs to do this nationally as well, including taking a potentially influential role in shaping the choice of the next presidential nominee.

A load of work -- but John McCain has never shirked.
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It's like a parody of all the things lefties don't like about Broder and the beltway press' treatment of pols like McCain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 26, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
I, for one, cannot believe all this hate speech is leading to hate crimes. :o

America is about freedom of speech, not freedom of crime!* :maf

How could we have know that the continual vituperative vilification of a minority would lead to this? ???

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 26, 2010, 04:25:37 PM
Did someone mention hate crimes?
http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/08/25/tea-party-group-hit-with-death-threats (http://politics.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2010/08/25/tea-party-group-hit-with-death-threats)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 26, 2010, 04:30:58 PM
Like clockwork.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 26, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
whew

i was concerned there wouldn't be a way for beardo's posse to actually be the victim in this case but it appears as though he was able to pull out a win at the last minute
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 26, 2010, 04:40:06 PM
Ohhhhh yeah, thats right. I forgot hate crimes are only against minorities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 26, 2010, 04:47:39 PM
pretty sure the tea party is a minority
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 26, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
Typical conservative response, falsely equivocate. Threatening voicemails is the same as physically attacking a muslim cab driver and going into a mosque and pissing on everything.  Same shit guys. I can't believe this has to be pointed out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 26, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
Quote from: Armitage on August 26, 2010, 04:30:28 PM
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"You guys better watch it," says one caller. "Now, we are going to destroy and obliterate Rush [limbaugh] and Sean Hannity," said another. "Those two guys are dead."

terrifying  :omg

imagine what caliber bullets they must be packing if they think they can put a dent in Rush Limbaugh :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2010, 07:36:42 PM
The only thing worse than committing a hate crime is threatening someone about committing a hate crime. /breitbart

Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 26, 2010, 04:47:39 PM
pretty sure the tea party is a minority

ha!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 26, 2010, 08:35:23 PM
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"You guys better watch it," says one caller. "Now, we are going to destroy and obliterate Rush [limbaugh] and Sean Hannity," said another. "Those two guys are dead.

This is like the least menacing and most well-spoken death threat ever. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 26, 2010, 08:40:55 PM
"You guys better watch it" is definitely exactly the same as a leading national figure using crosshairs to denote competitive races.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 27, 2010, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 26, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
Typical conservative response, falsely equivocate. Threatening voicemails is the same as physically attacking a muslim cab driver and going into a mosque and pissing on everything.  Same shit guys. I can't believe this has to be pointed out.

Muslims: blowing up subways and flying planes into buildings.
Non-muslims: urinating on stuff.


Clearly the muslims are the victims.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 27, 2010, 09:48:20 AM
Beardo: All Muslims are terrorists and deserve to be pissed on.

Honestly, whose joke account is this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2010, 10:00:21 AM
Again with the typical conservative response.

Quote from: Beardo on August 27, 2010, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 26, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
Typical conservative response, falsely equivocate. Threatening voicemails is the same as physically attacking a muslim cab driver and going into a mosque and pissing on everything.  Same shit guys. I can't believe this has to be pointed out.

Muslims: blowing up subways and flying planes into buildings. Cause
Non-muslims: urinating on stuff. Effect

Clearly the muslims are the victims.
If only you could take 1 more step back and find out what was the cause to make 9/11 the effect. Or do you really think they did it because they were just bored that day?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 10:28:04 AM
Quote from: Beardo on August 27, 2010, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 26, 2010, 04:56:39 PM
Typical conservative response, falsely equivocate. Threatening voicemails is the same as physically attacking a muslim cab driver and going into a mosque and pissing on everything.  Same shit guys. I can't believe this has to be pointed out.

Muslims: blowing up subways and flying planes into buildings.
Non-muslims: urinating on stuff.


Clearly the muslims are the victims.

I don't think FoC ever made a post this dumb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 27, 2010, 02:30:55 PM
Pretty much sums all of you up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2010, 02:40:40 PM
 :lol
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-- Opposition to the most radical redefinition of marriage in human history, as expressed in Proposition 8 in California? Homophobia.

-- Opposition to a 15-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero? Islamophobia.

Standing up for the freedoms of individuals is a liberal trait!

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: Genghis Cohen on August 27, 2010, 02:42:11 PM
Either conservatives believe in mob rule, or the constitution.  Sorry, can't have it either way depending on the issue!

Speaking of which :teehee
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/overwhelming_majority_believe_gays_should_serve_in.php?ref=fpa

The will of the people does not trump constitutional rights. If 20 million people vote to regulate gays to seperate bathrooms/water fountains/etc, that doesn't make it the law. gtfo

That WashPo article is full of so much white/conservative victim mentality it's impossible to read it all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2010, 03:43:24 PM
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Resistance to the vast expansion of government power, intrusiveness and debt, as represented by the Tea Party movement? Why, racist resentment toward a black president.

 :lol

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Disgust and alarm with the federal government's unwillingness to curb illegal immigration, as crystallized in the Arizona law? Nativism.

 :lol :lol

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Opposition to a 15-story Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero? Islamophobia.

 :lol :lol :lol

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Opposition to the most radical redefinition of marriage in human history, as expressed in Proposition 8 in California? Homophobia.

:rofl :rofl :rofl



Gotta love American conservatives.  Not only do you want government policy drawn according to your own cultural biases, you want to be treated as high-minded paragons of virtue, too.  Dear me.

Especially ironic considering all the accusations of bad faith that flow the other way.  If I can take years of being called a Saddam sympathizer in good humor (and anyone who says I haven't gets a punch in the kisser), then you guys can deal with being called homophobes when you act openly homophobic.

I guess if you're that desperate to get moral validation from a lefty, you can Paypal me twenty bucks and I'll say you mean well.  For fifty, I'll call you a "good person".  But otherwise, the lesson here would be...

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 27, 2010, 05:39:47 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 27, 2010, 02:30:55 PM
Pretty much sums all of you up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605233.html)


haha, he linked to a Krauthammer article.  :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2010, 11:09:11 PM
FREE FOC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 27, 2010, 11:11:30 PM
Nah ToxicAdam just needs to post more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 28, 2010, 05:04:54 PM
TA is a million times better than FOC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2010, 07:59:04 PM
[youtube=560,345]5AvR27SY0Zo[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 29, 2010, 05:30:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 03:12:01 PM
That WashPo article is full of so much white/conservative victim mentality it's impossible to read it all

It's also written by a guy that's a regular talking head on Fox News.  Go figure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2010, 05:53:16 PM
I think this is the best summation of the Glenn Beck boondoggle I've heard yet:  "A stupid thing, for stupid people."
Title: The correct use of "magically" as modifier
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2010, 11:30:11 PM
Then again, a bunch of dead slaveowners can't magically enforce their will over a living population.  So sad, too bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 29, 2010, 11:25:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2010, 03:12:01 PM

The will of the people does not trump constitutional rights.

True.  It also doesn't (save for somewhat indirectly and through a very particular methodology) trump the document as written in other ways... such as magically altering the text to grant control to the feds about topics that were never mentioned.

Like the general welfare? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2010, 01:40:52 AM
beardo :teehee

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It requires extreme blindness or extreme dishonesty to deny that our politics is more racially and ethnically polarized than it has been in a long time.  Virtually every Fox News/right-wing-talk-radio controversy relies on scaring economically anxious white Americans into ignoring the prime cause of their economic insecurity -- plundering by Wall Street bankers, abetted by the government they own -- and focusing instead on some manufactured menace from powerless racial and ethnic minorities:  black people preventing them from voting (New Black Panthers), stealing their elections (ACORN), and treating them unequally (Shirley Sherrod and Eric Holder's Justice Department); Muslims who want to conquer their country and celebrate over their Christian corpses (the Triumphalist Ground Zero Mosque); invading, marauding Latino armies coming to steal their property and rape their women while their Marxist allies in Government (led by a black Muslim President) disarm the white victims.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/27/krauthammer/index.html

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 30, 2010, 03:26:47 PM
Rare video of PD and Beardo talking in real life.

[youtube=560,345]Uwp1AsK-OwU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
It's such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Also they created algebra. Did I mention they are the religion of peace. I wish one would come and suicide-bomb my tender butthole right now.
/librul
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2010, 06:37:04 PM
I got Obama's Back at Starbucks this Morning (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/29/897297/-I-got-Obamas-Back-at-Starbucks-this-Morning)

Obama redeemed :american

Palin am cry :usacry

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 30, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
It's such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Also they created algebra. Did I mention they are the religion of peace. I wish one would come and suicide-bomb my tender butthole right now.
/librul

WAT
Title: Abolish the income tax and levy a WAT
Post by: Mandark on August 30, 2010, 07:07:33 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 30, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
It's such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Also they created algebra. Did I mention they are the religion of peace. I wish one would come and suicide-bomb my tender butthole right now.
/librul

WAT

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 30, 2010, 07:15:34 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
It's such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Also they created algebra. Did I mention they are the religion of peace. I wish one would come and suicide-bomb my tender butthole right now.
/librul
Sadly I do know people like this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on August 30, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]ht8PmEjxUfg[/youtube]

True American patriots.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
It's such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Also they created algebra. Did I mention they are the religion of peace. I wish one would come and suicide-bomb my tender butthole right now.
/librul

Political correctness  :yuck

why can't we call a spade a spade. Peaceful Muslims, what an oxygen moran
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on August 30, 2010, 08:55:01 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on August 30, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]ht8PmEjxUfg[/youtube]

True American patriots.  :american

So many angry white people :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 30, 2010, 09:04:07 PM
I went to a Greg Proops show on Saturday and he basically spent 75 minutes eviscerating Ohio (and Fat America) and the Rock and Roll hall of fame. The audience was in shellshock. At one point, he said "Listen. I'm not going to sit here and let you people be all quiet and judge me. You fucking laugh at my jokes because this is brilliant shit and then launched into a series of profanities.

I guess some woman had to be escorted out by the police in his previous show. It was some brilliant, ballsy stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2010, 08:46:29 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 30, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
It's such a beautiful and peaceful religion. Also they created algebra. Did I mention they are the religion of peace. I wish one would come and suicide-bomb my tender butthole right now.
/librul

Political correctness  :yuck

why can't we call a spade a spade. Peaceful Muslims, what an oxygen moran

political correctness is why we call a spade a spade. the politically incorrect name for a spade is something else entirely

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on August 30, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on August 30, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]ht8PmEjxUfg[/youtube]

True American patriots.  :american

My fucking god.  We are the dumbest country on earth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 30, 2010, 09:37:57 PM
nah it's just sad and pathetic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 30, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on August 30, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]ht8PmEjxUfg[/youtube]

True American patriots.  :american

It hurts right HERE.  *points at his head*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on August 30, 2010, 10:21:38 PM
The end of that video is hilarious.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 30, 2010, 10:44:27 PM
I couldn't take more than 2 minutes of that Tea Party video, don't know how you guys watched the whole 10+ min.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 30, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
Oh my God at the dude talking about how the Native Americans felt when the White man took their land away as an analogy to the Mexicans taking away the White mans land and realized what he was saying :lol

And the white lady with the hat talking about health screening at Ellis Island voicing out loud the "Dirty Mexican" fear

Finally: "All I know is what my sister tells me... she lives in Arizona."

God Bless 'Murica  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 30, 2010, 10:59:30 PM
(http://motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Poll_Obama_Muslim.jpg)


I've said this before, but during the election I was really expecting the craziness to subside once Obama became president, he didn't sign a Kill Whitey executive order, and reality set in.  I looked forward to some IRL conversations with acquaintances where I'd get to say "See?  You might not agree with him, but all that stuff about being a secret black nationalist radical socialist Muslim sure seems silly now."  We'd have a laugh.

Boy, do I have egg on my face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 30, 2010, 11:04:49 PM
Look it's like that article pointed out. These people want a reversion to the 1950's, 1980's basically to a place that doesn't exist. They focus on what they see as the problem which is immigration, 'socialism' etc not the real root causes. Not that the left is any better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 30, 2010, 11:06:22 PM
Ah, Both Sides Are Equally To Blame.

Deep shit, man.  *strokes goatee*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 30, 2010, 11:16:00 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on August 30, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
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True American patriots.  :american
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 30, 2010, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 30, 2010, 11:06:22 PM
Ah, Both Sides Are Equally To Blame.

Deep shit, man.  *strokes goatee*
Who will the left blame? Business of course :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 30, 2010, 11:36:53 PM
Islam is the religion of peace
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 30, 2010, 11:42:56 PM
I learned all I needed about Islam on 9/11
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2010, 12:14:40 AM
I almost lost it when the guy compared the plight of the white man dealing with immigration to the plight of the Native American dealing with...immigration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on August 31, 2010, 09:29:23 AM
http://www.theonion.com/video/alqaeda-calls-off-attack-on-nations-capitol-to-spa,17688/ (http://www.theonion.com/video/alqaeda-calls-off-attack-on-nations-capitol-to-spa,17688/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 31, 2010, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: Beardo on August 31, 2010, 09:29:23 AM
http://www.theonion.com/video/alqaeda-calls-off-attack-on-nations-capitol-to-spa,17688/ (http://www.theonion.com/video/alqaeda-calls-off-attack-on-nations-capitol-to-spa,17688/)

...and?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 31, 2010, 04:47:06 PM
My boy Cenk Uygur just destroyed some republican on wanting to cut social security and raising the retirement age since they spent it on tax cuts for the rich. This guy attempted to sidestep the issue by saying that Cenk had 'contempt' for those that defend us (defense contractors).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on August 31, 2010, 07:35:55 PM
Just boys being boys :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 01, 2010, 09:04:22 AM
Lisa Murkowski conceded her race in Alaska. (http://www.adn.com/2010/08/31/1433454/murkowski-concedes-senate-race.html)  She lost to a political neophyte-tea party dude/man.  Her losing Alaska is kind of a big deal, as she actually was an actual conservative.  She perhaps wasn't a nutjob ideologue, but her conservative credentials were pretty damn good.  The man who defeated her, Joe Miller, is almost now certain to win in the highly red state of Alaska, and had the backing of Sarah Palin and some Tea Party groups for the endorsements and money that helped him immeasurably in his primary victory.

This is a real show of strength of the Tea Party.  There really wasn't that much discontent for Murkowski in AK, she had a solid base of support.  What's really wacky is that Miller won on a platform of reducing federal spending, Alaska depends highly on federal spending.  Its like telling people in Phoenix that they should do better with less water.

I should be surprised, but the nuttiness inherent in my state should no longer be a novel thing to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 01, 2010, 09:52:28 AM
He means reduced spending in the lower 48.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 07, 2010, 04:06:43 PM
Stolen
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 07, 2010, 04:08:26 PM
So true.  It's not that the right hasn't learned anything really, it's that I think they've actually gotten nuttier and are still getting nuttier.  I'm honestly disturbed by all the people who are talking about the tea party being the next great American movement.  smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
It is the next great American movement. President Romney will ride the recovery into the history books, dems will be exiled 12 more years until a brilliant southern governor saves the day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on September 07, 2010, 07:07:52 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 07, 2010, 07:13:54 PM
everyone knows God lives in Heaven and you should aim your prayers straight up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2010, 07:48:41 PM
Omnipresent Christian god wins again :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 08, 2010, 08:10:20 AM
Hey Palin, how come one of those Moslems is rearin' his head in Alaska  :wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2010, 09:35:37 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
It is the next great American movement. President Romney will ride the recovery into the history books, dems will be exiled 12 more years until a brilliant southern governor saves the day.
Maybe not Romney but a Repub. probably will ride the recovery.  Fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2010, 12:12:47 PM
There's never going to BE a recovery unless we start jacking rich people's taxes up.  You think Republicans are gonna stand by and let that happen?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 12:15:42 PM
We've been raising taxes for two years, hasn't worked. Why do you think businesses aren't hiring: taxes and uncertainty about the economy. A republican president will fix that.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2010, 12:24:15 PM
Also, too we need to insure the security of our nation's borders.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2010, 12:28:58 PM
filthy beaners coming over and stealing our jobs.

BTW, I didn't know Henry Millis' conviction had been overturned.  That made me happy.  But they noted it was pretty much only overturned because he was charged with the wrong part of the law.   :-\

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201651300;_ylt=Ao50mLYLWtOSYObK7jAxXWis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNrNGFsZmRsBGFzc2V0A3RpbWUvMjAxMDA5MDgvMDg1OTkyMDE2NTEzMDAEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDd2h5YXJ1bGluZ29u
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2010, 05:36:42 PM
I don't understand why the blogosphere is so fired up recently since Obama's speech on Labor Day. Yes, it was a great speech, and yes it's nice he talked about the $50 billion infrastructure plan, but it's not really much different than what we've seen before. He makes great speeches 99% of the time, but seeing how Obama's operated since he took over, he's going to get that shit watered down to the point that $49 billion of that'll turn into tax cuts for the rich. I hope I'm wrong, but Obama's proven that he sucks ass at negotiations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 08, 2010, 06:10:25 PM
I think it's more that he showed a glimmer of hope he's not going to continue his embarassing dance with the GOP and keep going ass over tit trying to kick Lucy's football.

I think it was unfortunately a bit of bare-mininimum red-meat and they'll go back to the "stategy" that's worked so well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
It was a good, fiery speech - but that's all he's good for now. That 50b is going to be labeled as more stimulus deficit spending, dems will cave, and Obama will declare victory as some watered down 15b package is passed instead. It has already begun with the junior senator in Colorado saying he won't vote for it if it includes "new" spending. Seriously. If Republicans won't support eliminating a host of taxes for businesses during this recession, why the hell would they let Obama do anything else?

Same thing with the Bush tax cuts. Bayh, Nelson, etc aren't going to let the high income taxes expire. So for all Obama's tough talk, all the tax cuts will be renewed.

Maybe republicans will have their little fun for the first few months they control the house, then decide to get some things done. Other than that, I don't see anything happening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 07:34:28 PM
Fidel Castro says Cuban model no longer works

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100908/ts_nm/us_cuba_castro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 08, 2010, 07:48:33 PM
The speech was nice and all but it is getting into the 11th hour and it would have been much better in the summer once it was obvious there wasn't going to be any growth.  Obama's summer of recovery performance was baffling, it just didn't look like he gave much of a fuck about people's concerns (the economy, you know, the main reason why people voted for him in the first place).  Now it is less than two months away from 2010 midterm elections and he is scrambling to salvage the sinking ship.

I wonder how it will impact opinion.  My guess is not much; things are moving too fast away from him.  But I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2010, 09:19:37 PM
Don't delude yourselves- once the GOP takes over the house, there will be endless investigations into Obama's birth certificate, Michelle's vacation plans, probably Bo the dog and let's not forget anything with any sort of racial overtones they can muster up (Philadelphia Black Panther "incident", etc) for months and months.  These are still the same fucknuts who investigated the Clinton's Christmas card list for hundreds of hours.

Also, the government will shut down.  Mark my words, it's gonna happen.  Somehow all of this will be Obama/the Dems fault.  Thanks, biased liberal media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2010, 10:07:35 PM
+1 Truthiness rally

Willco, grab some extra air mattresses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2010, 10:15:57 PM
It's easy to create the boogey man. Any defense is an admission of guilt. The success of faux news correlates directly with the disenfranchisement of the older white American. Faux is in the driver's seat for the narrative for the time being it seems.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Anyone remember James Carville saying republicans would be irrelevant for a decade or longer?  Ah the ever egotistical democrats.   :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Anyone remember James Carville saying republicans would be irrelevant for a decade or longer?  Ah the ever egotistical democrats.   :teehee

Anyone remember Zell Miller saying democrats would be irrelevant for a decade or longer? Ah the ever egotistical conservatives :teehee

I'm sure the GOP will subpoena Sasha, but eventually they'll have to do something constructive. Maybe at that point something will get accomplished.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 10:32:38 PM
btw Shogon, republicans are fucked in the long term. Can't wait until Texas turns blue thanks to all this messican hatin' :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 10:32:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 10:31:11 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Anyone remember James Carville saying republicans would be irrelevant for a decade or longer?  Ah the ever egotistical democrats.   :teehee

Anyone remember Zell Miller saying democrats would be irrelevant for a decade or longer? Ah the ever egotistical conservatives :teehee

I'm sure the GOP will subpoena Sasha, but eventually they'll have to do something constructive. Maybe at that point something will get accomplished.

Nobody remembers Zell Miller, and those that do are trying to forget.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 10:32:38 PM
btw Shogon, republicans are fucked in the long term. Can't wait until Texas turns blue thanks to all this messican hatin' :teehee

You're right, but you forget that all those messicans are catholic, bu bu but religion.  Joking aside, it'll be interesting to see if they stick to the Bush/Cheney neocon ideas or actually go back to being conservatives.  It didn't take the neocons long to hijack the teaparty.

Anyways about to call it a night to drink beer, play mass effect, drink coffee, and play more mass effect.  PEACE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 10:59:15 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 08, 2010, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 10:32:38 PM
btw Shogon, republicans are fucked in the long term. Can't wait until Texas turns blue thanks to all this messican hatin' :teehee

You're right, but you forget that all those messicans are catholic, bu bu but religion.  Joking aside, it'll be interesting to see if they stick to the Bush/Cheney neocon ideas or actually go back to being conservatives.  It didn't take the neocons long to hijack the teaparty.

Anyways about to call it a night to drink beer, play mass effect, drink coffee, and play more mass effect.  PEACE.

Just like those black people are intolerant christians :teehee

Latinos will vote based on their interests, and who is not calling them criminals
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 08, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
Catholics lean Democrat anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 09, 2010, 12:38:53 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 08, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
Catholics lean Democrat anyway.

Yeah, but not because of anything intrinsic to Catholicism.  It's an artifact of the times when Catholics -- primarily Irish/Italian/Slavic -- were immigrating heavily to the US and seen as a nonwhite (http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251) cultural threat by certain Americans.  So the Republican exploitation (http://www.ralphmag.org/BH/rum-romanism.html) of nativist fears drove them to an affiliation with the Democratic party that's lasted over a century.

I mean, what are the odds that'll happen with the American latino community?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 09, 2010, 06:20:26 AM
oh wonderful

 :-\


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/09/us-soldiers-afghan-civilians-fingers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 09, 2010, 06:31:29 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 08, 2010, 10:11:03 PM
I spent the weekend with a group of academics that have been studying the American conservative populist movement for years.  They have a very interesting take on how it happened and especially why it persists.  They place a lot of blame for the success of Fox News etc. on the liberal media and their inability to see the country's actual tensions while the conservative media taps right into it.

So...paranoia and racism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on September 09, 2010, 09:16:02 AM
Quote
btw Shogon, republicans are fucked in the long term. Can't wait until Texas turns blue thanks to all this messican hatin'

You're joking right. You know illegal immigrants can't vote? You guys really do believe conservatives just hate people. For no other  reason to just hate. It has nothing to do with what they look like but go ahead and live in the fantasy land of a liberal Texas.


Quote
Yeah, but not because of anything intrinsic to Catholicism.  It's an artifact of the times when Catholics -- primarily Irish/Italian/Slavic -- were immigrating heavily to the US and seen as a nonwhite cultural threat by certain Americans.  So the Republican exploitation of nativist fears drove them to an affiliation with the Democratic party that's lasted over a century.

I mean, what are the odds that'll happen with the American latino community?

You mean democrat, if were speaking pre 20th century and around the turn of the century.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 09, 2010, 09:34:22 AM
Beardo: All Hispanics are illegal immigrants.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
It's like Republicans actually don't realize that all of this Mexicophobia is bad for them with actual legal immigrants too somehow, or that ONLY illegal immigrants will get hassled with that BS Arizona law.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2010, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 08, 2010, 10:19:12 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 08, 2010, 10:15:57 PM
It's easy to create the boogey man. Any defense is an admission of guilt. The success of faux news correlates directly with the disenfranchisement of the older white American. Faux is in the driver's seat for the narrative for the time being it seems.
Defense?
I mean things like Obama's birth certificate. Birthers say "show me the certificate" and when he doesn't, to them, it's an admission of guilt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 09, 2010, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 09, 2010, 12:38:53 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 08, 2010, 11:44:01 PM
Catholics lean Democrat anyway.

Yeah, but not because of anything intrinsic to Catholicism.  It's an artifact of the times when Catholics -- primarily Irish/Italian/Slavic -- were immigrating heavily to the US and seen as a nonwhite (http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251) cultural threat by certain Americans.  So the Republican exploitation (http://www.ralphmag.org/BH/rum-romanism.html) of nativist fears drove them to an affiliation with the Democratic party that's lasted over a century.

I mean, what are the odds that'll happen with the American latino community?

Italian/Slavic here... does that mean I'm ready to call Himu and Beezy my non-white brothers?  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 09, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: Beardo on September 09, 2010, 09:16:02 AM
Quote
btw Shogon, republicans are fucked in the long term. Can't wait until Texas turns blue thanks to all this messican hatin'

You're joking right. You know illegal immigrants can't vote? You guys really do believe conservatives just hate people. For no other  reason to just hate. It has nothing to do with what they look like but go ahead and live in the fantasy land of a liberal Texas.


Quote
Yeah, but not because of anything intrinsic to Catholicism.  It's an artifact of the times when Catholics -- primarily Irish/Italian/Slavic -- were immigrating heavily to the US and seen as a nonwhite cultural threat by certain Americans.  So the Republican exploitation of nativist fears drove them to an affiliation with the Democratic party that's lasted over a century.

I mean, what are the odds that'll happen with the American latino community?

You mean democrat, if were speaking pre 20th century and around the turn of the century.


 :lol Beardo just admitted that modern-day Republicans exploit nativist fears.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2010, 12:35:33 PM
I love how Beardo and other conservatives love pointing out how racist dixiecrats were while totally ignoring how they joined the republican party shortly after '64 :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
The irony is that the dems are the party that benefit from racism, kind of like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.  They need it for exploitation in their quest for progressive dominance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
You gotta be shitting me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 09, 2010, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
The irony is that the dems are the party that benefit from racism, kind of like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.  They need it for exploitation in their quest for progressive dominance.

:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2010, 02:26:59 PM
[youtube=560,345]kymkeVaSh-0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 09, 2010, 03:14:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 09, 2010, 02:26:26 PM
What I just read from shogun is "sure republicans are racist, but it's democrats who are bad guys for exploiting our noble racism for nefarious purposes"

'When Republicans are caught being terribly racist, it's the Democrats who benefit. Yes, that's right: racism helps Democrats. So who's the racist now?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 09, 2010, 02:26:26 PM
What I just read from shogun is "sure republicans are racist, but it's democrats who are bad guys for exploiting our noble racism for nefarious purposes"

Oh come on man, here let me help you.  Dems use it to demonize political opponents, not all, but for the far left it's their ultimate cannon bomb.

Against the healthcare bill?  Well you must be a racist  (Wink Wink)
Against big spending?  Racist

I could go on and on.  Why would I deny that racist republicans exit?  Are you going to tell me there aren't racist democrats?  Really?  I remember a democrat passing away a few months ago, you know the one with the history with the clan.  The word racist is thrown at anyone to demonize them in political discourse by the disciples of Saul Alinsky, so much in fact that one has to role his eyes when he hears the term in any political debate because it bears about as much gravity as a feather on the moon.  Yes I'd say the democrats have benefited from that tactic, while the victims of racism certainly haven't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 03:43:26 PM
Thought I'd share this little bit on intersecting Canadian and American politics.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/stephen-harper-condemns-koran-burning-my-christ-is-a-tolerant-god/article1700607/

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper has used his Christian faith to “unequivocally condemn” a Florida church that plans to burn 200 copies of the Muslim holy book.

“I don't speak very often about my own religion, but let me be very clear: My God and my Christ is a tolerant God, and that's what we want to see in this world,” he said.

Mr. Harper was adding his voice to the global outcry against a Florida preacher who plans to burn copies of the Koran in a bonfire Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

...

But Mr. Harper was direct in his denunciation.

“I unequivocally condemn it,” he said. “We all enjoy freedom of religion and that freedom of religion comes from a tolerant spirit.”

“I don't think that's the way you treat other faiths, as different as those faiths may be from your own.”


Canada does have a conservative government, but it would be inaccurate to make straight Republican is to Democrat as Conservative is to Liberal comparisons between the US and Canada.  This is one case.  Harper is a religious man, but he doesn't wear it on his sleeve, and rarely makes overt reference to his faith in speeches.

I just saw this, and thought it was commendable for him to directly speak out against this, apparently un-prodded.

For every 4 or 5 things Harper has done in the past 2 years to piss me off, there will tend to be one thing that reminds me why I have voted for him in the past.  Not that I would expect to vote for him again at this moment, just sayin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:39:25 PM

Against the healthcare bill?  Well you must be a racist  (Wink Wink)


No, that just makes you an asshole.  Or maybe a corporate stooge.  Or a cold, indifferent ideologue.  Take your pick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:39:25 PM

Against the healthcare bill?  Well you must be a racist  (Wink Wink)


No, that just makes you an asshole.  Or maybe a corporate stooge.  Or a cold, indifferent ideologue.  Take your pick.

I'll take constituionalist. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 04:15:07 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:59:20 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:39:25 PM

Against the healthcare bill?  Well you must be a racist  (Wink Wink)


No, that just makes you an asshole.  Or maybe a corporate stooge.  Or a cold, indifferent ideologue.  Take your pick.

I'll take constituionalist. 

mumble mumble three fifths of a person mumble
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 09, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3ruN-joxU[/youtube]

"MASTERS DEGREE IN COMMUNICATION!!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 04:15:07 PM

mumble mumble three fifths of a person mumble

Translation:  mumble mumble boogie's lost his woogie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 09, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 09, 2010, 02:26:26 PM
What I just read from shogun is "sure republicans are racist, but it's democrats who are bad guys for exploiting our noble racism for nefarious purposes"

Oh come on man, here let me help you.  Dems use it to demonize political opponents, not all, but for the far left it's their ultimate cannon bomb.

....but, isn't that because those allegations on many of their opponents are usually true?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 09, 2010, 05:38:17 PM
Also, Shogun, the dems calling someone a racist for opposing the health care bill has less to do with opposing the bill and more to do with showing up at protest rallies with signs depicting Obama as a monkey/being lynched.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2010, 05:40:25 PM
Barney Frank debating...the dining room table
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/rep-barney-frank-finally-debates-the-dining-room-table-rachel-brown-video.php

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2010, 06:16:45 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 09, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms3ruN-joxU[/youtube]

"MASTERS DEGREE IN COMMUNICATION!!"
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/phil-davison-of-freakout-viral-video-has-never-used-youtube-it-was-on-some-kind-of-electronic-server.php?ref=dcblt

Quote
"I went home and had a ham sandwich and went to bed and thought that was the end of it," Davison said when reached at home this afternoon. "A friend called, and well, I'm not very good with electronics, is there a YouTube? It was on some kind of electronic server."

Quite possibly the quote of the year
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 09, 2010, 06:41:05 PM
I lived only like 20 minutes away from Minerva.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 09, 2010, 07:41:01 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/frasier-star-face-of-rightwing-network-20100909-151m8.html?autostart=1

Frasier  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 09, 2010, 08:20:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 09, 2010, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tristam on September 09, 2010, 06:31:29 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 08, 2010, 10:11:03 PM
I spent the weekend with a group of academics that have been studying the American conservative populist movement for years.  They have a very interesting take on how it happened and especially why it persists.  They place a lot of blame for the success of Fox News etc. on the liberal media and their inability to see the country's actual tensions while the conservative media taps right into it.

So...paranoia and racism?
To some extent, yes.  But there are tensions that run both ways in the immigrant debate and only one side musters them to any real effect.  When was the last time you heard anyone from the left's media talking to real immigrant fears instead of assuaging liberal whites that the other side is bad?

There are people in the liberal media who do highlight the racism and paranoia in the Tea Party movement and do occasionally say watch out, these crazies might actually be dangerous!. Granted, they're not as shrill or alarmist as the pundits on Fox News, but still.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 09, 2010, 08:59:33 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 09, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
The irony is that the dems are the party that benefit from racism, kind of like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.  They need it for exploitation in their quest for progressive dominance.

Put more aptly, they benefit from (and stoke) paranoia regarding the perception of racism where it does not exist.

 :drudge :drudge JAYDUBYA SIGHTING, JAYDUBYA SIGHTING  :drudge :drudge


QUICK, BEFORE WE HIT THE NEXT PAGE!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 09, 2010, 09:06:52 PM
I embed this song in the name of JayDubya

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fsFy3M5jg0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 09, 2010, 09:51:17 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 09, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
Put more aptly, they benefit from (and stoke) paranoia regarding the perception of racism where it does not exist.

Exactly.


Quote from: Oblivion on September 09, 2010, 05:34:58 PM
....but, isn't that because those allegations on many of their opponents are usually true?

Generally speaking no. Many times the allegations of racism are not racism at all, but something else entirely and the charged infraction may very well be sinister in nature, but racism is applied to rally a particular base of the voting block.  Back in the 08 primaries I recall Bill Clinton making an arrogant remark about one of Obama's victories, I think it was SC.  I remember the nudging under the table that Clinton had said something terrible maybe even racist, someone had to get clarification on what he meant by those statements.   Obama was a rookie and the Clintons were the New York Yankees of politics so I'd call it narcissism if anything.

Quote from: Oblivion on September 09, 2010, 05:38:17 PM
Also, Shogun, the dems calling someone a racist for opposing the health care bill has less to do with opposing the bill and more to do with showing up at protest rallies with signs depicting Obama as a monkey/being lynched.

Anyone depicting the sign you described would clearly be expressing racism.  What I'm referring to is that guy next to him holding the sign that says "No More Spending" being labeled as just another racist.  I'm getting at the cheapening of the seriousness of racism for political advantage.  It's easy to label someone a racist with no evidence at all while it's impossible for that person to prove they are not because no one knows what's truly in their heart and mind.  It's a low tactic, I put it down there with falsely accusing someone of rape.  I'm tired and leaving it at that for tonight.  POOF I'M GONE

Title: You never studied
Post by: Mandark on September 10, 2010, 12:33:51 AM
Quote from: Beardo on September 09, 2010, 09:16:02 AM
Quote
Yeah, but not because of anything intrinsic to Catholicism.  It's an artifact of the times when Catholics -- primarily Irish/Italian/Slavic -- were immigrating heavily to the US and seen as a nonwhite cultural threat by certain Americans.  So the Republican exploitation of nativist fears drove them to an affiliation with the Democratic party that's lasted over a century.

I mean, what are the odds that'll happen with the American latino community?

You mean democrat, if were speaking pre 20th century and around the turn of the century.

No, I don't (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Party_System#Broad_coalitions_from_each_party).  Read a book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2010, 11:48:49 AM
"grrr mr president why are health care costs going up 6%!?!!?"
"uhh probably has something to do with us covering 30 fucking more million people"

No wonder Obama avoids these distinguished mentally-challenged fellows
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 10, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090907733.html

Looks like a damned liberal activist judge is shuffling DADT off the stage a bit early.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 10, 2010, 01:32:50 PM
Mandark, how can I grow up to be you?  :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2010, 03:53:33 AM
[youtube=560,345]SoTRHbysY7g[/youtube]
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2010, 08:27:20 AM
War YES YES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 13, 2010, 08:15:33 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/13/boehner.gop.taxes/?hpt=T2 (http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/13/boehner.gop.taxes/?hpt=T2)

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Washington (CNN) -- GOP colleagues of House Minority Leader John Boehner are distancing themselves from the Ohio Republican's recent remarks that he would support President Barack Obama's proposal to renew the expiring Bush tax cuts only for those making less than $250,000 if it were his only option.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, announced Monday he will introduce legislation that would ensure that no one pays higher income taxes next year.

"We can't let the people who've been hit hardest by this recession and who we need to create the jobs that will get us out of it foot the bill for the Democrats' two-year adventure in expanded government," McConnell said on the Senate floor.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK MY BRAIN IS MELTING

Poor motherfucking rich people....harder hit than anyone else by this recession!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 13, 2010, 10:06:13 PM
So who wants to take bets on when and which democrats will cave in on the tax cuts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2010, 10:28:59 PM
Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh, etc etc.  Possibly some who should know better but are in tough reelection fights (Patty Murray in Washington maybe?) will cave too.  Of course, the liberal media will responsibly report that they "compromised in the spirit of bipartisanship" as opposed to caving.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2010, 01:32:34 AM
So funny GAFers and some folks at TPM seemed to think this issue was some gift for democrats to run with, force republicans into a tough corner, and set up a more interesting November. Anyone who's half paid attention over the last couple years knew exactly what would happen: Obama makes tough speech, republicans tow the line, conservadems switch sides, media wonders why Obama isn't working with republicans, democrats cave, Obama caves and declares victory.

Only difference this time was Boehner "blinking"/fucking up on a Sunday morning show. The next day the GOP cleaned up the mess and walked in unison. We need a Walter Sobchak emote because this whole country is fucked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2010, 09:26:44 AM
Dems don't have to do anything. They just expire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2010, 10:24:20 AM
America, fuck yeah! :usa

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-14/veterans-agency-arranged-secret-deal-with-prudential-over-soldier-benefits.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 14, 2010, 07:56:01 PM
I think Christine O'Donnell is an even more useless version of Sarah Palin.  Although she's kind of cute so I hope she wins tonight :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
I can't believe she's going to win, holy shit she's insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 14, 2010, 09:58:21 PM
so we're either gonna have a good laugh when all these loonies crash and burn, or we're gonna be crying hard when they drive us off the edge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2010, 10:13:26 PM
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7670/53532934.jpg)

officially a blog celebrity :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 14, 2010, 10:56:37 PM
I just saw that on his site!
Title: Seriously though, he seems nice enough
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2010, 11:16:57 PM
Matt Yglesias is what I'd be like if I had been a good student, and it makes me a little glad I wasn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2010, 12:41:53 AM
O'Donnell on masturbation
[youtube=560,345]RzHcqcXo_NA[/youtube]

 :lol
It's like something straight out of Arrested Development
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 15, 2010, 12:49:12 AM
Not so MILF-y anymore, aye?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 15, 2010, 01:06:01 AM
So wrong, TA.
- 20 year olds > MILFs
- Makes masturbating to her feel dirtier
- 90s long wavy hair

also  :lol @ having a 'marketing' manager
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2010, 02:48:48 AM
Oh man.  Oh shit.

PUHLEEEZE let these teahadists win in November.  America needs to get the govt. it deserves, and we need to get it good and hard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 15, 2010, 09:21:10 AM
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9009/21341212/Big_night_for_tea_party_ODonnell_wins_Delaware

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Republican Party officials who saw Castle as their only hope for winning the Delaware seat once held by Vice President Joe Biden made clear they will not provide funding for O'Donnell in the general election. The Republican state chairman, Tom Ross, has said O'Donnell "could not be elected dogcatcher," and records surfaced during the campaign showing that the IRS had once slapped a lien against her and that her house had been headed for foreclosure. She also claimed -- falsely -- to have carried two of the state's counties in a race against Biden six years ago.

Even repugs think she's crazy. Wow Americans are stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2010, 10:41:01 AM
As someone who supposedly supports letting locals decide what they want to do, I am shocked, SHOCKED I say to find out that you don't find the intervention of a California lobbying group, a South Carolina Senator who has publicly said that he wants purity purges in the party, and a noted Alaskan lunatic into Deleware politics to be objectionable.


...ok that's a lie, I totally understand why you wouldn't care.  You don't care about issues or policy at all, it's all about THE PHILOSOPHY with you tards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2010, 10:42:37 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 15, 2010, 09:21:10 AM
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article/rr/9009/21341212/Big_night_for_tea_party_ODonnell_wins_Delaware

Quote
Republican Party officials who saw Castle as their only hope for winning the Delaware seat once held by Vice President Joe Biden made clear they will not provide funding for O'Donnell in the general election. The Republican state chairman, Tom Ross, has said O'Donnell "could not be elected dogcatcher," and records surfaced during the campaign showing that the IRS had once slapped a lien against her and that her house had been headed for foreclosure. She also claimed -- falsely -- to have carried two of the state's counties in a race against Biden six years ago.

Even repugs think she's crazy. Wow Americans are stupid.

Apparently she's also been paying her rent and bills with campaign money.

Also:

[youtube=560,345]fUspLVStPbk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
Right, because Delaware Republicans = South Carolina Republicans.  Good call.

The actual PARTY activists chose Castle.  The lunatics who register Republican and watch Fox news voted for the nutbar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2010, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: E.J. Dionne
    The primary here today will determine definitively whether the Tea Party is capable of carrying its rebellion to a truly absurd extreme.

    Want to know how angry the state’s Republican leaders are at the campaign of Christine O’Donnell, the perennial candidate who is threatening Rep. Mike Castle in the U.S. Senate race? Here’s what Delaware Republican Party chairman Tom Ross told me last night:

       " I could buy a parrot and train it to say, ‘tax cuts,’ but at the end of the day, it’s still a parrot, not a conservative."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/09/the_tea_party_from_rebellion_t.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2010, 02:25:19 PM
Quote
More needs to be done to put the numbers involved in extending the Bush tax cuts in context, so consider this: There is no policy that President Obama has passed or proposed that added as much to the deficit as the Republican Party's $3.9 trillion extension of the Bush tax cuts. In fact, if you put aside Obama's plan to extend most, but not all, of the Bush tax cuts, there is no policy he has passed or proposed that would do half as much damage to the deficit. There is not even a policy that would do a quarter as much damage to the deficit.

The stimulus bill, at $787 billion, would do about a fifth as much damage. But that's actually misleading: The stimulus bill was a temporary expense (not to mention a response to an unexpected emergency). Once it's done, it's done. An indefinite extension of the Bush tax cuts is, well, indefinite. It will cost $3.9 trillion in the first 10 years. And then it will cost more than that in the second 10 years. Call that number Y. And then it will cost more than Y in the third 10 years. And so on and on into eternity. Comparatively, the stimulus bill is a tiny fraction of that. The bank bailouts, which were passed by George W. Bush and the Democrats in 2006, will end up costing the government only $66 billion. The health-care bill improves the deficit outlook.

Republicans and tea party candidates are both running campaigns based around concern for the deficit. But both, to my knowledge, support the single-largest increase in the deficit that anyone of either party has proposed in memory.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/putting_the_39_trillion_extens.html

Fiscal responsibility :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2010, 02:26:04 PM
.....and like fucking clockwork:

Quote
Democrats will not rule out compromising with Republicans on the Bush tax cuts benefiting the wealthiest Americans, according to House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.

At his weekly press availability this morning, Hoyer declined to draw a bright line on the issue of tax cuts for the rich, adding to the uncertainty over whether Democrats will force Republicans to choose between tax cuts for the middle class, or no tax cuts at all.

"I'm always, as you know, prepared to discuss alternatives so that we can move forward," Hoyer told reporters.

Though Democrats have committed to ensuring that tax cuts for middle-income brackets are extended permanently, they have yet to determine how or when they'll accomplish that, let alone whether they might be amenable to a temporary extension of tax cuts for the rich. Hoyer said that he personally supports Obama's tax plan and eventually wants to offset the middle class tax cuts.

Nevertheless, they're hoping that House Minority Leader John Boehner's moment of candor this past Sunday has exposed the GOP's dilemma, giving them an upper hand in the debate.

"Mr. Boehner made the mistake of a few short seconds of reasonableness which lead the Wall Street Journal to say that he was maybe not appropriate to be the Speaker," Hoyer said. "So I'm not sure where they're going to go. So I don't want to anticipate what they would or would not do."

sigh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2010, 02:40:03 PM
How hard is it to schedule a vote on extending tax cuts for the middle class. Jesus christ. I realize this is a ticking bomb (republicans could block everything and ensure everything expires in January, raising everyone's taxes thus Obama gets blamed/shitcanned) but come the fuck on. Grow some balls and start a vote.

In short, DEMS: listen to Pelosi, tell Stenny to fuck himself
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/pelosi-implores-dems-on-tax-cuts-who-do-you-stand-with.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2010, 02:54:03 PM
I figure they hang out with rich people all the time and are misjudging the popularity of the top rate cuts.  I'd also wager that the Members making the biggest stink about the deficit correlate pretty well with the ones who want to keep the whole array of cuts.



PS JD, Triumph pretty much nailed you, hypocrisy aside.  You've never given the impression of grappling with the politics required to get libertarian policy goals.  You just re-state your core beliefs over and over and over and over and over*.  Which is your prerogative, but don't get mad at people for pointing it out.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2010, 04:57:20 PM
I fail to see any hypocrisy on my part... I freely admit that most of my ideas are impractical and not likely to work, it's just that I think publicly beheading Wall St. execs would be COOL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2010, 05:10:14 PM
It's almost as if pre-emptively caving in is a democratic reflex or something. When John Boehner said on Sunday that he would support a vote for only middle class tax cuts, the VERY NEXT FRIGGEN DAY, you had Chris Van Hollen say that they would be open to having a one year long extension. WHY WOULD YOU COMPROMISE? YOU'RE WINNING YOU STUPID USELESS MONKEYS AKJFKDJFJKDFLKDJF

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 15, 2010, 04:57:20 PM
I fail to see any hypocrisy on my part... I freely admit that most of my ideas are impractical and not likely to work, it's just that I think publicly beheading Wall St. execs would be COOL.

I think he was referring to JD with the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2010, 05:56:40 PM
gotta be shitting me
Quote
They Must Really Not Want Her

ABC's Jake Tapper has a curious scoop, reporting that President Obama will name Elizabeth Warren not to run the new consumer financial protection bureau but instead will give her the previously unheralded "special position reporting to both him and to the Treasury Department and tasked with heading the effort to get the new federal agency standing." Get that?

We're seeking more clarification now, but it sounds like the White House has decided that instead of nominating Warren to head up the new consumer financial protection bureau, or alternatively avoiding the confirmation process and appointing her as interim director, the President will take a third way and make her a special adviser to help set the bureau up.

I tend to agree with Matt Yglesias on this: "With Warren, Obama showing real innovation in developing odd, satisfying to nobody compromises."
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/09/they_must_really_not_want_her.php?ref=fpblg (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/09/they_must_really_not_want_her.php?ref=fpblg)

Between this and the apparent pre-emptive surrender on taxes, it's pretty clear the democrats have no plan for anything outside of losing the house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 15, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
The latest CBS poll shows a majority of Americans want the high-income tax cuts to expire, and yet the Democrats are still bending over backwards to compromise with an uncompromising party.

One party is destructive; the other, through its spinelessness, is merely complicit in the destruction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on September 16, 2010, 03:41:33 AM
The entirety of your moral, political, and economic philosophies is based upon intangibles that you choose to define based on your own subjective values but lord over others as though they're objective truths.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 16, 2010, 12:41:33 PM
Or these truths exist because they do. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2010, 01:25:37 PM
(http://imgur.com/Baqt6.gif)
crap i posted this in the wrong thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 17, 2010, 07:05:17 AM
Quote from: Tristam on September 15, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
The latest CBS poll shows a majority of Americans want the high-income tax cuts to expire, and yet the Democrats are still bending over backwards to compromise with an uncompromising party.

One party is destructive; the other, through its spinelessness, is merely complicit in the destruction.

The majority of Americans wanted a public option too.  Democrats really aren't interested in what people want.

Which is why I'm not going to be shedding tears when the collective Democratic asshole gets prolapsed come November.  They had a great opportunity to do things that they completely squandered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2010, 09:47:21 PM
[youtube=560,345]ym6m9DL_8Mg[/youtube]

2012 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2010, 11:21:06 PM
So there's a kerfuffle about Marty Peretz saying he's unsure that Muslims are "worthy" of first amendment protections.  No surprise, cause he's an stupid old sack of shit and has been saying nasty things about Muslims and Arabs since forever.

But still, I'm getting myself pissed off by reading other people defend him, mostly along the line of "Aw, you don't know Marty.  He shoots his mouth off a lot, but he's really a great guy!"  I don't expect his friends to suddenly turn on him, but opinion journalists like Jeffrey Goldberg and Jon Chait--who have no compunctions about making really blunt public judgments of other people based on public statements--shouldn't expect Peretz to get special protection.

Hell, Goldberg especially.  He wrote a cover story for TNR that basically read "ANTI-SEMITES!  ANTI-SEMITES!  ANTI-SEMITES!" in response to the Walt-Mearsheimer book, and they didn't say anything remotely approaching Peretz's statement in terms of bigotry or hate.  Fuck that guy.

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And I didn't even think his story on Israel bombing Iran was nearly as bad as some people said.  But he just ain't a good person.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2010, 11:33:54 PM
He walked it back: while Arabs do actually deserve first amendment protections, they still don't care about human life. So while they certainly are barbarians, they have the same rights as you or I
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 18, 2010, 02:47:25 AM
I think Goldberg's Iran v. Israel article was that bad. Dressing it up in pretend impartiality only made it worse, not better. Apparently you can polish a turd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rax27_ZIVM), but you're still being served a lump of shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 18, 2010, 04:49:33 AM
Bill Maher's threatening Christie O'donnell to appear on his show otherwise he'll be showing a new clip of her on Politically Incorrect each week. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2010, 01:12:55 PM
[youtube=560,345]wqHpN4SbqVI[/youtube]
holy fuck  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 18, 2010, 02:25:30 PM
She has the cutest little ghetto gap :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 18, 2010, 03:32:12 PM
satanic date sounds hot :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2010, 04:24:11 PM
[youtube=560,345]Fi19yLcGk8c[/youtube]

we need a :leeatwater emote. Or I guess :jaydubya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 18, 2010, 04:47:12 PM
"Those damn distinguished black fellows are making the post office system inefficient!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 19, 2010, 05:04:48 PM
ITT: Jaydubya rails against the Post Office
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 19, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 19, 2010, 05:04:48 PM
ITT: Jaydubya rails against the Post Office
ITT: Poster rails against Jayduya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 19, 2010, 06:12:00 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on September 19, 2010, 06:11:16 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 19, 2010, 05:04:48 PM
ITT: Jaydubya rails against the Post Office
ITT: Poster rails against Jayduya
ITT: Fresh Prince rails against obvious joke
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 19, 2010, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 19, 2010, 06:19:52 PM
Woah, what are you guys even talking about?  It's been a whole page since then.

 :lol

Okay, points for that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 19, 2010, 11:05:20 PM
:lol

I'll be honest... that was funny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 22, 2010, 12:31:43 PM
I lol'd
Title: Sigh
Post by: Mandark on September 22, 2010, 11:21:28 PM
So the Senate GOP is filibustering (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-vote-repeal-ban-gays-military/story?id=11685658&page=2) the repeal of DADT.  Nobody broke rants.

I'd like to point out that Collins, Snowe, Brown, McCain, Lugar, Voinovich et al voted the same way on this, and have largely been voting the same way on major issues, as Coburn, Kyl, DeMint, and Inhofe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 22, 2010, 11:22:58 PM
"Pledge to America" is unveiled tomorrow, which I hope is anchored by a heartfelt promise to send the homosexuals into labor camps, where they can work the gay away!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 22, 2010, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: The Fake Shemp on September 22, 2010, 11:22:58 PM
"Pledge to America" is unveiled tomorrow, which I hope is anchored by a heartfelt promise to send the homosexuals into labor camps, where they can work the gay away!

I was all  ???

So I looked it up (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/22/AR2010092206096.html).

Then I was all  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: The Fake Shemp on September 22, 2010, 11:30:26 PM
Republicans! Yay! :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 22, 2010, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: GOP Pledge to America
-- A repeal of the health-care law signed by President Obama this year.

-- A spending freeze for most domestic programs, exempting some programs for seniors, such as Social Security, and others that affect veterans and the military.

-- Keeping in place for all Americans, including the wealthy, tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. President Obama has proposed getting rid of tax cuts for household income above $250,000.

-- A ban on any federal funding for abortions.

-- A hiring freeze on all federal agencies except those charged with keeping Americans safe. (Agencies could hire employees only to replace people who leave.)

-- A requirement that Congress post all bills online three days before a vote and that lawmakers cite the specific constitutional authority that enables the legislation.

-- A ban on any efforts to hold trials on U.S. soil for detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay.

-- A stop on all unspent money authorized as part of last year's stimulus bill or the 2008 legislation that aided failing Wall Street firms.

-- A tax deduction for small businesses on up to 20 percent of their business income.

Man, there's nothing I can say about this shit that we don't already know, or that would convince anyone who's on that bandwagon, but shit man.  I mean, c'mon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
Quote
-- A requirement that Congress post all bills online three days before a vote and that lawmakers cite the specific constitutional authority that enables the legislation.
:lol

Obama should have Reid/Pelosi introduce legislation tomorrow that rules all bills must be posted online three days before they're voted on. I want to see what happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 23, 2010, 06:55:11 AM
Sounds like total shit, even for GOP standards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 23, 2010, 09:32:59 AM
Pledge to Keep America Shitty

At least repubs keep proving to be the party of no ideas. Time after time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 23, 2010, 12:10:55 PM
super cool platform bro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 23, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: GOP Pledge to America
-- A spending freeze for most domestic programs, exempting some programs for seniors, such as Social Security, and others that affect veterans and the military.

Cool, so that should save us a lot of

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/budget07/categoryPie07.gif)

...oh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 23, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
or the 100% going to the filthy druggie poorbrowns who hate american jesus and love islamoterror? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 23, 2010, 02:13:47 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 23, 2010, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 23, 2010, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: GOP Pledge to America
-- A spending freeze for most domestic programs, exempting some programs for seniors, such as Social Security, and others that affect veterans and the military.

Cool, so that should save us a lot of

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/budget07/categoryPie07.gif)

...oh.
Where's the 40% of our budget going to foreign aid ??? Or the 20% going to gay arts programs ???

I know you were joking, but:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg)

Foreign Aid is Department of State: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/factsheet_department_state/. About $56 billion, or 1.6% of the total $3.6 trillion budget.

NEA for 2010 was $155 million, which is too small to realistically track.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 23, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
typical college intellectual propaganda. here are the real, founding father-denying annual federal spend percentages:

(http://i55.tinypic.com/jimc0o.jpg)

WHERE IS THE MONEY TO BUY EVERY IMAGE OF THE BABBY JESUS A TRICORN HAT I ASK

WHY DOES AMERICA HATE AMERICA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 23, 2010, 02:53:08 PM
:rofl

Did you make that?

Care if I repost on another forum?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 23, 2010, 02:54:58 PM
"Jewish Conspiracies that don't involve Armageddon"

:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 23, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
i made it, you are welcome to it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 23, 2010, 06:47:38 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 23, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
typical college intellectual propaganda. here are the real, founding father-denying annual federal spend percentages:

(http://i55.tinypic.com/jimc0o.jpg)

WHERE IS THE MONEY TO BUY EVERY IMAGE OF THE BABBY JESUS A TRICORN HAT I ASK

WHY DOES AMERICA HATE AMERICA

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 23, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
well, i for one am appalled that the country has been allowed to go to shit after those idyllic days of the late 1700s

appalled i tell you

and really, could someone do something about those hessians

i think they're making anchor babies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2010, 10:32:14 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 23, 2010, 02:19:20 PM
Mandark posted a small poll done at a tea party gathering a while back where some people thought foreign aid was seriously 40%.  Anyone have a link so we can have a laugh?

Might not be the same one, but the Economist did a general poll and produced similar results.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_04/023255.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2010, 10:35:12 PM
No vote for tax cuts confirmed, a win-win issue that fell out the fucking sky like manna for democrats. No movement on DADT. Fuck the democratic party

What a shame that our choice boils down to either a vote for a fully corrupt party, or a half corrupt yet fully incompetent party.

someone spirit rez Teddy Roosevelt, I can't take this shit no more
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2010, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 23, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
typical college intellectual propaganda. here are the real, founding father-denying annual federal spend percentages:

(http://i55.tinypic.com/jimc0o.jpg)

WHERE IS THE MONEY TO BUY EVERY IMAGE OF THE BABBY JESUS A TRICORN HAT I ASK

WHY DOES AMERICA HATE AMERICA

I'm assuming funding for illegals falls under money for brownpoors?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 23, 2010, 11:45:28 PM
Quote from: Tristam on September 16, 2010, 03:41:33 AM
The entirety of your moral, political, and economic philosophies is based upon intangibles that you choose to define based on your own subjective values but lord over others as though they're objective truths.

JayDubya dinner for one'd.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 24, 2010, 02:03:11 AM
(http://www.overcompensating.com/comics/20100924.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 24, 2010, 11:19:21 AM
except Armageddon :lol

hessian anchor babies :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 11:37:55 AM
- A repeal of the health-care law signed by President Obama this year.  Repeal doesn't go far enough, they should move to nullify it at the State level.

-- Keeping in place for all Americans, including the wealthy, tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. President Obama has proposed getting rid of tax cuts for household income above $250,000.  Fine, now cut spending.

-- A ban on any federal funding for abortions.  Agreed.

-- A hiring freeze on all federal agencies except those charged with keeping Americans safe. (Agencies could hire employees only to replace people who leave.) Check.

-- A requirement that Congress post all bills online three days before a vote and that lawmakers cite the specific constitutional authority that enables the legislation.  This is the best part and the way it should be, they have no authority to pass any law not authorized in the constitution. How about also requiring them to read the bill.  How about a test before a bill is passed to ensure they've read it?  We can do multiple choice, it'll be fun like school and we can air it on CSPAN.

-- A stop on all unspent money authorized as part of last year's stimulus bill or the 2008 legislation that aided failing Wall Street firms.  Check.

-- A tax deduction for small businesses on up to 20 percent of their business income. Check.

Now a few things they could have added...

Audit the Fed.
End the department of education.
Shut down the military bases in Europe/Asia.
End all foreign aid.  (Yes this includes Israel)
Leave Iraq.
Stop nation building in Afghanistan.  (Build a school, they blow it up)
Reel in the executive branch, it's been too powerful for decades.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 24, 2010, 01:01:58 PM
http://crfb.org/stabilizethedebt/

Fix the debt issue yourselves!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 24, 2010, 12:59:24 PM

-- A spending freeze for most domestic programs, exempting some programs for seniors, such as Social Security, and others that affect veterans and the military.

:teehee
I'm pretty sure I covered military spending.  Also the DOE.  I could have made a longer list, but why bother really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 01:24:04 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 11:37:55 AM
- A repeal of the health-care law signed by President Obama this year.  Repeal doesn't go far enough, they should move to nullify it at the State level.

-- Keeping in place for all Americans, including the wealthy, tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. President Obama has proposed getting rid of tax cuts for household income above $250,000.  Fine, now cut spending.

-- A ban on any federal funding for abortions.  Agreed.

-- A hiring freeze on all federal agencies except those charged with keeping Americans safe. (Agencies could hire employees only to replace people who leave.) Check.

-- A requirement that Congress post all bills online three days before a vote and that lawmakers cite the specific constitutional authority that enables the legislation.  This is the best part and the way it should be, they have no authority to pass any law not authorized in the constitution. How about also requiring them to read the bill.  How about a test before a bill is passed to ensure they've read it?  We can do multiple choice, it'll be fun like school and we can air it on CSPAN.

-- A stop on all unspent money authorized as part of last year's stimulus bill or the 2008 legislation that aided failing Wall Street firms.  Check.

-- A tax deduction for small businesses on up to 20 percent of their business income. Check.

Now a few things they could have added...

Audit the Fed.
End the department of education.
Shut down the military bases in Europe/Asia.
End all foreign aid.  (Yes this includes Israel)
Leave Iraq.
Stop nation building in Afghanistan.  (Build a school, they blow it up)
Reel in the executive branch, it's been too powerful for decades.

hey look a white person
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 01:24:04 PM

hey look a white person

Hey look a materialistic, consumptive, illusionary-intellect!   :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 02:38:23 PM
i am also white, yes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 24, 2010, 02:44:50 PM
Can someone explain what "audit the fed" means?

???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
it means "ron paul makes sure the few remaining government functions keep the browns in their economic place, because privatizing education can only do so much"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
it means "ron paul makes sure the few remaining government functions keep the browns in their economic place, because privatizing education can only do so much"

SomeDude on neogaf is that you?  HR1207 ring a bell?  It had bipartisan support - 23 Democrats including the ever emotional Grayson. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 24, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
HR1207 ring a bell?  It had bipartisan support - 23 Democrats including the ever emotional Grayson. 

Oh good, that answers my question.  It's all much clearer now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
it means "ron paul makes sure the few remaining government functions keep the browns in their economic place, because privatizing education can only do so much"

SomeDude on neogaf is that you?  HR1207 ring a bell?  It had bipartisan support - 23 Democrats including the ever emotional Grayson. 



what is a democrat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 24, 2010, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
It had bipartisan support

Just like the Iraq War!  Fantastic!


But seriously, can someone explain to me what "audit the fed" means?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 03:53:35 PM
mandark

MANDARK

here is your answer

RON PAUL

RON PAUL

RON PAUL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 24, 2010, 03:55:33 PM
(http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ron-paul-magneto.jpg)

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 03:57:16 PM
we as libtards are somehow supposed to be on the side of these "democrats," as if they weren't a loose -- very loose, like meghan mccain -- coalition of dingbats from across the political spectrum whose ideological coherence is roughly equivalent to the epicurean experience of a golden corral buffet

ah, politics-as-a-sporting-event

and the paultards squawk because they didn't get to pick the referee

i just want mandatory abortions for all pregnant teenagers, is that so wrong
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 24, 2010, 03:58:23 PM
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End the department of education.

Dude, seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 24, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 24, 2010, 03:58:23 PM
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End the department of education.

Dude, seriously?

let the free market educate our children!

each child can work in the evenings to pay for their own K-12 schooling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 04:00:09 PM
government is universally bad, and business is universally meritocratic even if it seems cruel to soft-hearted libthings

therefore, the free market selects and validates those with the greatest potential

you know, white people, especially rich ones
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 24, 2010, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 03:57:16 PM
i just want mandatory abortions for all pregnant teenagers, is that so wrong

depends

are we talking medically safe procedures profesionally performed by trained medical personnel in a supportive environment

or FALCON PUNCH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 04:03:11 PM
which will cause more government bureaucracy and give ron paul a heart attack? that's the one i want.

falcon punching is too populist and too efficient
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 24, 2010, 04:04:14 PM
while we're talking about hilarious abortions

a "Planned Parenthood Express (http://plannedparenthoodosbc.org/services/ecc.asp)" just opened up here in Orange County

everytime I see the sign I read "Drive-Thru Falcon Punch"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2010, 04:06:03 PM
that is awesome

drive up in your mazda 3, lift the hatchback, spread your legs aaaaaaand back on the 405 in 10 minutes or your fetus back
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2010, 08:33:32 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 24, 2010, 11:37:55 AM
Audit the Fed.
End the department of education.
Shut down the military bases in Europe/Asia.
End all foreign aid.  (Yes this includes Israel)
Leave Iraq.
Stop nation building in Afghanistan.  (Build a school, they blow it up)
Reel in the executive branch, it's been too powerful for decades.

ShogonOfFear's pledge to America>>>GOP's pledge to America
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2010, 09:08:37 PM
I'm in favor of auditing the federal reserve system only because such a system needs transparency, not potential butt buddy deals and backroom handjobs that may or may not fuck over the populace at their will (nor be obligated to show anyone how it works, who is doing what, etc.).  Not that Obama would object to that (fucking over the populace, not transparency, something he has shown not to give a rat's ass about).

A shame that Libertarians still believe that free market uber alles, considering how prominent Randtard Greenspan denounced such an ideology.  I even heard Libertardians say that the reason the recession happened was because the market was not free enough.  I don't get these people and don't care to get them.  Most of them have the freedom to talk from their asses because of the tremendous contributions from things like labor and government which provide a relatively decent transportation system, a middle class (one that is shrinking but still...), etc.

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you know, white people, especially rich ones

Like you?

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a "Planned Parenthood Express" just opened up here in Orange County

Sweet.  As a pro-abortionist, any system in place to make abortions as easy and cheap as possible gets my thumbs up.  It's only a shame there isn't some assembly line styled abortion factory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 25, 2010, 09:26:52 AM
Definitely not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 25, 2010, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 25, 2010, 07:05:20 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 24, 2010, 03:58:23 PM
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End the department of education.

Dude, seriously?

Why not?  There is no support for it within the text of the Constitution. 

Conversely, there is support for running school systems within the text of the constitutions of the various states. 

By the rule of law, the Department of Education should not exist.  The United States should not have an education system.

More accurately: The United States federal government has little to no role to play in the education systems of the constituent states, should the people of those states invest that power with their respective states (and they have, as evidenced by the constitutions of those states).  If the various state constitutions did not grant the individual states authority to run an education system in some capacity, the various states also would not have the authority to do so.

If and only if a Constitutional Amendment were passed to authorize such a thing would the federal government have a legitimate basis for involvement under the rule of law.

How can this even be a controversial statement?  There is no rational counter-argument.

So we should keep the people dumb so they don't have to be paid shit?

Conservatives shall now be labeled regressionists!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2010, 12:37:10 PM
[youtube=560,345]KB0TLgcNesU[/youtube]

You know you done goofed when even Andrew Breitbart can't defend you immediately
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 25, 2010, 03:19:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 24, 2010, 02:55:21 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 24, 2010, 01:01:58 PM
http://crfb.org/stabilizethedebt/

Fix the debt issue yourselves!
There was no option to pump more money into federally funded abortions :'(
:lol :lol

Honestly though, I made cuts and tax increases in there that beat the current target goals and I could live with it, goddammit.  a lot of these programs are super expensive and benefit only a few.  and there are much better deals on the table.  too bad they're "socialist"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 25, 2010, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2010, 12:37:10 PM
[youtube=560,345]KB0TLgcNesU[/youtube]

You know you done goofed when even Andrew Breitbart can't defend you immediately
SMH

I had a dude ask the other day when I brought up the masturbation point "Are you afraid she's going to pass anti-masturbation laws or something??" NO DIPSHIT!  But I'd like someone who has a position of power to be a little intelligent.  she's distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2010, 03:47:15 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/jon-stewarts-takedown-of-gops-pledge-to-america-same-sht-we-heard-before-video.php?ref=fpb

no words, especially at the Boener clips  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on September 25, 2010, 04:44:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]RIIUZjvd9VU[/youtube]

Fox News is watching out for America.  :american
Title: He would have loved me and I would have saved him
Post by: Mandark on September 25, 2010, 05:45:34 PM
JD talking about the Constitution is like an adolescent girl mooning over a dark, brooding (possibly vampiric) romance protagonist.

"He's so misunderstood.  I'm the only one who gets what he really means.  Sigh..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2010, 08:48:17 PM
[youtube=560,345]bWdyf9eSkqQ[/youtube]
holy shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 25, 2010, 09:34:15 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 25, 2010, 06:46:11 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 25, 2010, 11:41:47 AM
So we should keep the people dumb so they don't have to be paid shit?

There's nothing in what I said for you to draw that inference.
There should be an American standard of education. Taking that away only accelerates our demise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2010, 01:04:59 AM
Nah, fuck it.  Then all of the poor states that get more money back from the federal govt. than they pay in can start having better distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, and NY and California can have awesome schools.  Everyone who has the money and is able will move to the swank 1st world states, and the middle of the country will continue to have sloping brows and low iqs.  Sounds awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2010, 02:02:25 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 26, 2010, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 26, 2010, 01:04:59 AM
Nah, fuck it.  Then all of the poor states that get more money back from the federal govt. than they pay in can start having better distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, and NY and California can have awesome schools.  Everyone who has the money and is able will move to the swank 1st world states, and the middle of the country will continue to have sloping brows and low iqs.  Sounds awesome.
Agreed.  Also, cut off all federal funding to Alaska.

Might as well cut defense while you're at it. Alaska is the first line of defense against Russia  :ussrcry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 26, 2010, 03:17:17 PM
[youtube=560,345]H_AW8soxIa8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2010, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 26, 2010, 03:12:39 PM
This is an honest question, JD.  I oftentimes see this line of reasoning from the libertarian set on most matters, and the general republican set on matters they disagree with.  So, if they believe there is a legitimate claim that all these things are unconstitutional, why don't we more attacks mounted in the courts against them, since that is the ultimate arbiter for these matters?

Answer JD's gonna give:
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The judiciary has adopted activism and the "living Constitution" as a way of stripping all meaning from the document and ruling however they want.  So it's pointless to appeal to judges who have already endorsed a false constitutional interpretation.
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Real reason:
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There's no political will for it.  Sometimes (like now) mainstream conservatives pay lip service to an extremely narrow interpretation of the Constitution, but look at the decisions they make when in power.  Ron Paul's the only one even close to acting like he believes that shit.

American movement conservatism is willing to pick constitutional fights where it thinks it could get a favorable result (affirmative action) but no way are they following that principle to political annihilation (dissolving Social Security and Medicare).
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 26, 2010, 06:30:23 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-rich-people-who-_b_737429.html

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New Rule: The next rich person who publicly complains about being vilified by the Obama administration must be publicly vilified by the Obama administration. It's so hard for one person to tell another person what constitutes being "rich", or what tax rate is "too much." But I've done some math that indicates that, considering the hole this country is in, if you are earning more than a million dollars a year and are complaining about a 3.6% tax increase, then you are by definition a greedy asshole.

And let's be clear: that's 3.6% only on income above 250 grand -- your first 250, that's still on the house. Now, this week we got some horrible news: that one in seven Americans are now living below the poverty line. But I want to point you to an American who is truly suffering: Ben Stein. You know Ben Stein, the guy who got rich because when he talks it sounds so boring it's actually funny. He had a game show on Comedy Central, does eye drop commercials, doesn't believe in evolution? Yeah, that asshole. I kid Ben -- so, the other day Ben wrote an article about his struggle. His struggle as a wealthy person facing the prospect of a slightly higher marginal tax rate. Specifically, Ben said that when he was finished paying taxes and his agents, he was left with only 35 cents for every dollar he earned. Which is shocking, Ben Stein has an agent? I didn't know Broadway Danny Rose was still working.

Ben whines in his article about how he's worked for every dollar he has -- if by work you mean saying the word "Bueller" in a movie 25 years ago. Which doesn't bother me in the slightest, it's just that at a time when people in America are desperate and you're raking in the bucks promoting some sleazy Free Credit Score dot-com... maybe you shouldn't be asking us for sympathy. Instead, you should be down on your knees thanking God and/or Ronald Reagan that you were lucky enough to be born in a country where a useless schmuck who contributes absolutely nothing to society can somehow manage to find himself in the top marginal tax bracket.

And you're welcome to come on the show anytime.

Now I can hear you out there saying, "Come on Bill, don't be so hard on Ben Stein, he does a lot of voiceover work, and that's hard work." Ok, it's true, Ben is hardly the only rich person these days crying like a baby who's fallen off his bouncy seat. Last week Mayor Bloomberg of New York complained that all his wealthy friends are very upset with mean ol' President Poopy-Pants: He said they all say the same thing: "I knew I was going to have to pay more taxes. But I didn't expect to be vilified." Poor billionaires -- they just can't catch a break.

First off, far from being vilified, we bailed you out -- you mean we were supposed to give you all that money and kiss your ass, too? That's Hollywood you're thinking of. FDR, he knew how to vilify; this guy, not so much. And second, you should have been vilified -- because you're the vill-ains! I'm sure a lot of you are very nice people. And I'm sure a lot of you are jerks. In other words, you're people. But you are the villains. Who do you think outsourced all the jobs, destroyed the unions, and replaced workers with desperate immigrants and teenagers in China. Joe the Plumber?

And right now, while we run trillion dollar deficits, Republicans are holding America hostage to the cause of preserving the Bush tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest 1% of people, many of them dead. They say that we need to keep taxes on the rich low because they're the job creators. They're not. They're much more likely to save money through mergers and outsourcing and cheap immigrant labor, and pass the unemployment along to you.

Americans think rich people must be brilliant; no -- just ruthless. Meg Whitman is running for Governor out here, and her claim to fame is, she started e-Bay. Yes, Meg tapped into the Zeitgeist, the zeitgeist being the desperate need of millions of Americans to scrape a few dollars together by selling the useless crap in their garage. What is e-Bay but a big cyber lawn sale that you can visit without putting your clothes on?

Another of my favorites, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann said, "I don't know where they're going to get all this money, because we're running out of rich people in this country." Actually, we have more billionaires here in the U.S. than all the other countries in the top ten combined, and their wealth grew 27% in the last year. Did yours? Truth is, there are only two things that the United States is not running out of: Rich people and bullshit. Here's the truth: When you raise taxes slightly on the wealthy, it obviously doesn't destroy the economy -- we know this, because we just did it -- remember the '90's? It wasn't that long ago. You were probably listening to grunge music, or dabbling in witchcraft. Clinton moved the top marginal rate from 36 to 39% -- and far from tanking, the economy did so well he had time to get his dick washed.

Even 39% isn't high by historical standards. Under Eisenhower, the top tax rate was 91%. Under Nixon, it was 70%. Obama just wants to kick it back to 39 -- just three more points for the very rich. Not back to 91, or 70. Three points. And they go insane. Steve Forbes said that Obama, quote "believes from his inner core that people... above a certain income have more than they should have and that many probably have gotten it from ill-gotten ways." Which they have. Steve Forbes, of course, came by his fortune honestly: he inherited it from his gay egg-collecting, Elizabeth Taylor cigarillo-hagging father, who inherited it from his father. Of course then they moan about the inheritance tax, how the government took 55% percent when Daddy died -- which means you still got 45% for doing nothing more than starting out life as your father's pecker-snot.

We don't hate rich people, but have a little humility about how you got it and stop complaining. Maybe the worst whiner of all: Stephen Schwarzman, #69 on Forbes' list of richest Americans, compared Obama's tax hike to "when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939." Wow. If Obama were Hitler, Mr. Schwarzman, I think your tax rate would be the least of your worries.

Bill Maher did one of his worst performances on his show, as far as dealing with ihs panel went, but his new rules segment was awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 26, 2010, 06:43:58 PM
I swear there needs to be a revolution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 26, 2010, 10:39:26 PM
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/cartoons/092410_Tea_Party/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/2cevoc2)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 27, 2010, 11:25:58 AM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2czeb90.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 03:36:21 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/anderson-coopers-takes-on-anti-mosque-gop-candidate-video.php?ref=fpa
destroyed  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2010, 05:05:04 PM
Remember, all of these Tea Party enthusiasts are just concerned about excessive spending, deficits, and big gubmint.  Keep telling yourselves that, distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 27, 2010, 05:19:54 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 26, 2010, 10:39:26 PM
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/cartoons/092410_Tea_Party/


Awesome.

In return, I bring Facebook comments with the word "mosk" (http://www.mrdestructo.com/2010/08/white-americas-inconvenience-tantrum.html#more) (scroll down or search on page for "pictures").  A bit old, but a great link if you haven't started hating humanity yet today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 06:27:31 PM
If you look hard enough you'll find drew
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 27, 2010, 06:30:00 PM
Report: US would make Internet wiretaps easier

WASHINGTON

Broad new regulations being drafted by the Obama administration would make it easier for law enforcement and national security officials to eavesdrop on Internet and e-mail communications like social networking Web sites and BlackBerries, The New York Times reported Monday.

The newspaper said the White House plans to submit a bill next year that would require all online services that enable communications to be technically equipped to comply with a wiretap order. That would include providers of encrypted e-mail, such as BlackBerry, networking sites like Facebook and direct communication services like Skype.

Federal law enforcement and national security officials say new the regulations are needed because terrorists and criminals are increasingly giving up their phones to communicate online.

"We're talking about lawfully authorized intercepts," said FBI lawyer Valerie E. Caproni. "We're not talking about expanding authority. We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security."

The White House plans to submit the proposed legislation to Congress next year.

The new regulations would raise new questions about protecting people's privacy while balancing national security concerns.

James Dempsey, the vice president of the Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet policy group, said the new regulations would have "huge implications."

"They basically want to turn back the clock and make Internet services function the way that the telephone system used to function," he told the Times.

The Times said the Obama proposal would likely include several requires:

--Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

--Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.

--Softward developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.

The Times said that some privacy and technology advocates say the regulations would create weaknesses in the technology that hackers could more easily exploit.

  Civil liberties take another hit.   :(

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 27, 2010, 07:10:58 PM
:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 07:16:32 PM
tea partiers and liberals hang their heads and collectively grumble "and he claims to be a constitutional scholar"

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 27, 2010, 07:32:03 PM
Let's see the repubs vote en mass to kill this bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 27, 2010, 07:48:08 PM
indeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on September 27, 2010, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 06:27:31 PM
If you look hard enough you'll find drew
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BX2aSG8RqEU/THdZ1Tu-2gI/AAAAAAAAEA0/TlqGNu-V-g4/s1600/Leo+Taylor+-+if+you+don%27t+agree+with+me,+you%27re+a+racist+homophobe.png)
found
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 27, 2010, 08:37:28 PM
Okay, I'll play to my professional stereotype and ask:

what's so wrong with that legislation?  It seems to me that all it is doing (as the FBI lawyer argues in the article) is requiring online companies to be able to comply with existing law enforcement powers regarding interception of communications.  The legal safeguards of requiring law enforcement to get a judicial authorization after proving reasonable and probable grounds and investigative necessity are still in place.  Civil liberties are taking no more of a hit than they were in providing law enforcement with a mechanism to intercept private communications in the first place.

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 27, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
the fact that nobody's actually gonna go through the official channels and instead use this as an awesome wowsome way to go on a drunk bender and look at your cock pics

and then we'll slap them on the wrist and say we've weeded out the bad apples, but oh we haven't
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2010, 10:00:59 PM
[youtube=560,345]1lvVuj_rakU[/youtube]

gotta love his smug laugh at the notion that poor people with multiple jobs work harder than rich people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 28, 2010, 12:33:08 AM
One of the clients at work earned 1.5 million dollars last year and paid 10% tax, including California's 1% tax on millionaires.

Wish I could be British and lie on TV and make mad money. I'd be elbow deep in pussy.

e: If you're a high-income paycheck worker you do get hosed though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 28, 2010, 05:50:06 AM
:bow Karakand
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
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A hall full of elderly white people in Medicare-paid scooters, railing against government spending and imagining themselves revolutionaries as they cheer on the vice-presidential puppet hand-picked by the GOP establishment. If there exists a better snapshot of everything the Tea Party represents, I can't imagine it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904

ha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 28, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
So there is a liberal groups march in DC this Saturday. Thanks for the notice.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 28, 2010, 02:18:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
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A hall full of elderly white people in Medicare-paid scooters, railing against government spending and imagining themselves revolutionaries as they cheer on the vice-presidential puppet hand-picked by the GOP establishment. If there exists a better snapshot of everything the Tea Party represents, I can't imagine it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904

ha

The next paragraph offers up the gospel truth to the Tea Party -

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the whole miserable narrative boils down to one stark fact: They're full of shit. All of them. At the voter level, the Tea Party is a movement that purports to be furious about government spending — only the reality is that the vast majority of its members are former Bush supporters who yawned through two terms of record deficits and spent the past two electoral cycles frothing not about spending but about John Kerry's medals and Barack Obama's Sixties associations. The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending — with the exception of the money spent on them. In fact, their lack of embarrassment when it comes to collecting government largesse is key to understanding what this movement is all about — and nowhere do we see that dynamic as clearly as here in Kentucky

I don't know about the rest of you, but this represents my home state perfectly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
Looks like Rahm is leaving, probably to go make a bunch of money for a couple years, then be Governor of Illinois or something.  I wonder if Jane Hamsher and Cheebs will throw a party to celebrate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 28, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 27, 2010, 10:00:37 PM
the fact that nobody's actually gonna go through the official channels and instead use this as an awesome wowsome way to go on a drunk bender and look at your cock pics

and then we'll slap them on the wrist and say we've weeded out the bad apples, but oh we haven't

who are you referring to?

If law enforcement, I would suggest that is unlikely, as the companies would still require a law enforcement agency to present them with a judicial order before handing over the cock pics.

If you mean that the measures would make it easier for employees of said companies to break into their own systems in order to intercept the communications of others, I suppose that would be a serious and legitimate concern.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 28, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
Looks like Rahm is leaving, probably to go make a bunch of money for a couple years, then be Governor of Illinois or something.  I wonder if Jane Hamsher and Cheebs will throw a party to celebrate.

Leaving to be mayor of Chicago you mean.

good riddance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 28, 2010, 09:05:03 PM
Obama should hire Grayson to replace him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 28, 2010, 09:10:09 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 28, 2010, 09:05:03 PM
Obama should hire Grayson to replace him.
:rock
Title: tl;dr: OTOH
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
I'm mostly with Boogie on this law.  Remember the problem with wiretapping wasn't FISA, it was the fact that they were circumventing FISA and doing it without warrants.

Any law enforcement agency not run by Terri Schiavo is gonna want to keep its surveillance capabilities up to date with the technology people use.  I don't think anyone has a right to a mode of communication that can't and won't be intercepted for any reason in the face of probable cause.  We let the  police do objectively much worse things (arrest would amount to forcible kidnapping if anyone else did it) because the threat of violence is a necessary part of the state, we just don't think about it.


All that said...


Does anyone think this won't be misused?  There's abuse of the rules in any large institutions, and you gotta expect this will be worse than most because 1) law enforcement regimes at every level are extremely protective of their own and resistant to oversight, 2) it's historically worse with the secretive branches in the federal government, 3) the trends of the last decade have almost entirely been in the directions of more authority with less transparency or accountability.

I understand why they'd feel these capabilities are necessary, but I'd feel much, much better if they came attached to strict rules for use, and a workable plan to enforce those rules.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2010, 02:28:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/second-institution-claims-christine-odonnell-fudged-education-record;_ylt=Ah3kv5ctJQ9IFy8DGTjnjmms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTVpOTA2ZXQ3BGFzc2V0A3libG9nX3Vwc2hvdC8yMDEwMDkyOS9zZWNvbmQtaW5zdGl0dXRpb24tY2xhaW1zLWNocmlzdGluZS1vZG9ubmVsbC1mdWRnZWQtZWR1Y2F0aW9uLXJlY29yZARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzQEcG9zAzEEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawMybmRzY2hvb2xzdWc-

Christine O'Donnell :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2010, 03:48:24 PM
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/29/from-pimp-to-punk-acorn-vid-kid-fails-to-seduce-cnn-reporter/

I mean, really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 29, 2010, 04:14:06 PM
Why is Okeefe not in jail? He is a criminal!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2010, 04:27:39 PM
holy crap
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2010, 04:44:16 PM
Quote
"The joke is that the tables have turned on CNN. Using hot blondes to seduce interviewees to get screwed on television, you are faux seducing her in order to screw her on television."

[youtube=560,345]URtQAa3Y-ns[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Here's a lengthy Rolling Stone interview with our Kenyan Muslin Soshulist Dictator President. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395?RS_show_page=0)

There's also an excellent Taibbi read on the Tea Party that I can't remember if it got posted or not; those of us who enjoy Taibbi will enjoy it, and those of us who feel the need to be offended by Taibbi because he uses naughty words and writes like a jackass will do their usual thing.  Circle of life and all that bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 30, 2010, 12:18:25 AM
It's an awesome piece.  If he ever realizes that he doesn't need to bend the truth to write good polemics, he'll be a hell of a writer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2010, 12:27:50 AM
Posted it on facebook yesterday, got a couple tea party friends to respond. It would be pretty hard to deny many points in that article, and they didn't even try (for the most part). One of them is a consistent "grrrr spending" guy who didn't like Bush, but for everyone one of him there's 100 tea partiers who didn't give a shit when Bush was spending.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 30, 2010, 01:32:35 AM
Yeah, there's one really simple question that belies the idea that this is all about deficits:  "Where were these protests when Bush was in charge?"

Every single person you ask will say "Oh, I was angry with Bush too.  This isn't a partisan thing blah blah blah."  It's like how by the 80's, about 20 million people attended Woodstock if you believe everyone who claimed to have been there.

But for the 1% of Tea Partiers who are sincere deficit hawks, I'd advise them not to fall in love with their new friends.  Same for the libertarians.  When you've got a fringe political philosophy, or an unpopular/obscure pet cause, it's very tempting to convince yourself people are sincere when they start using your talking points.  It gets lonely after a while and it's easier to accept new allies than to say "these people don't really give a shit, and will stop pretending to give a shit as soon as I help them get back in power".

So I get why so many people want to see the Tea Party as a populist uprising that validates their own personal crusades, but it's just going to lead to disappointment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 30, 2010, 01:45:31 AM
Disappointment or, God Willing, Senate Minority/Majority Leader Jim DeMint and Speaker Boner.  I need more laughs in politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 30, 2010, 06:53:47 AM
To read between the lines, tea partiers didn't object to the massive debts that Bush was running up because the debt was funding a better cause (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.)  Obama's debt is funding a worse cause (various stimuli, health care, etc.) in their eyes.

The only reason why tea partiers object to the deficit spending is because it is going towards poor people and minorities.  The genuine few that dislike deficits at any rate are going to find themselves alone again when President Romney gets elected in 2012 and wants to adopt a far right wing authoritarian system, with most of the tea party congresspeople going along with it.  I don't recall people like Jim DeMint ever giving a damn about rampant spending unless it was done by a Democrat and going towards causes other than vaporizing poor brown people halfway across the world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2010, 01:17:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 29, 2010, 03:48:24 PM
http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/29/from-pimp-to-punk-acorn-vid-kid-fails-to-seduce-cnn-reporter/

I mean, really?

John Cole put it best.

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To answer DougJ’s question about what O’Keefe thought he might accomplish, it is just this simple. These are wingnut activists feeding a wingnut audience. Any video he got from the boat would have been “proof” of whatever they claimed it would be. These are the folks who took a video of Shirley Sherrod rejecting racism and used it to… call her a racist. These are the folks who had Acorn officials fired for… calling the authorities when they went in and pretended to be sex traffickers and the Acorn folks did the right thing.

All they needed was videotape of anything involving Abbie Bordreaux on that boat. It doesn’t matter if she was repulsed or what she actually did, they would lie and edit the video and it would become whatever they wanted it to be. The wingnut blogs would all circulate it, Howie Kurtz and Fox news would mainstream it, the WaPo Ombudsman would three weeks later issue an apology for not looking into the sluts at CNN earlier, and the Politico would have a dozen “thought” pieces up discussing how this is bad news for Obama and Democrats.

When you make up your own reality and have a media that refuses to call you on your bullshit, the sky is the limit. The video didn’t have to have any evidence, it just had to exist. The wurlitzer could then turn it into whatever they wanted.

It’s just that simple.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/09/29/its-this-simple/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2010, 01:20:21 AM
that's some real talk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2010, 02:30:01 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/30/michael-jordan-scott-brow_n_745250.html
 :lol

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2010, 01:39:11 PM
Stolen from a gaf thread

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First, Sanchez started out expressing an anecdote from his own experience, when someone who was “top brass” at CNN told Sanchez to his face that he saw Sanchez as “more as John Quiñones,” referring to the Hispanic ABC News reporter. Sanchez’s example was an illustration that the problem of racism in the media business goes further than many expect, enveloping “not just the Right,” but also “elite, Northeast establishment liberals” that “deep down, when they look at a guy like me, they see a guy automatically who belongs in the second tier, and not the top tier.”

That’s when Sanchez really let his feelings loose: “I think to some extent Jon Stewart and [Stephen] Colbert are the same way. I think Jon Stewart’s a bigot.“

Pete noted that Stewart is his former boss, and pressed Sanchez to explain himself further. “How is he a bigot?” Pete asked.

Sanchez:

"I think he looks at the world through, his mom, who was a school teacher, and his dad, who was a physicist or something like that. Great, I’m so happy that he grew up in a suburban middle class New Jersey home with everything you could ever imagine."

Pete pressed, “What group is he bigoted towards?”

Sanchez replied: “Everybody else who’s not like him. Look at his show, I mean, what does he surround himself with?”

Pete asked for a specific example, saying the term “bigot” is pretty strong.

“That’s what happens when you watch yourself on his show every day, and all they ever do is call you stupid.”

Asked again what group Stewart is bigoted against, Sanchez replied, referring to Stewart in the second person:

Anybody who’s different than you are, anybody who’s not form your frame of reference; anybody who doesn’t look and sound exactly like the people that you sound [like] and grew up with. The people that you put on your show, who always reflect somebody who’s, “I’m bringing in to sit around me,” you know, who’s very different from me. I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy this thing that the only people out there who are prejudiced… are the Right. There’s people that are prejudiced on both sides.

Sanchez went on to claim that Stewart’s worldview is “very much a white, liberal establishment point of view.” Sanchez added:

He can’t relate to a guy like me. He can’t relate to a guy whose dad worked all his life. He can’t relate to somebody who grew up poor.


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“Yeah,” Sanchez snickered sarcastically at the idea that Jews are as much minorities as Latinos in the US.

"Very powerless people… [snickers] He’s such a minority, I mean, you know [sarcastically]… Please, what are you kidding? … I’m telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart, and to imply that somehow they — the people in this country who are Jewish — are an oppressed minority? Yeah. [sarcastically]"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2010, 01:45:29 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 29, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Here's a lengthy Rolling Stone interview with our Kenyan Muslin Soshulist Dictator President. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395?RS_show_page=0)

There's also an excellent Taibbi read on the Tea Party that I can't remember if it got posted or not; those of us who enjoy Taibbi will enjoy it, and those of us who feel the need to be offended by Taibbi because he uses naughty words and writes like a jackass will do their usual thing.  Circle of life and all that bullshit.

Don't like Taibbi because I just think he let's his viewpoints over-ride the need to write actual journalism pieces. He's the type of writer who's writing only for the people who already share his viewpoint so he doesn't ever feel the need to balance or support his argument with a lot of support from other sources.

I didn't mind when Hunter Thompson did the same thing because he was writing often from a more novelistic approach with actual characters and his voice often clearly interjected in there. Taibbi's pieces instead often get treated as straight up journalism which they aren't. 


Or maybe it just boils down to me thinking Hunter was just a much better and more interesting writer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 01, 2010, 02:05:30 PM
wow, arbitrary comparison there!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2010, 02:18:03 PM
They both were "political" writers/essayists for Rolling Stone in different eras is the only reason I reference Thompson. I could remove Thompson from the equation and still not like Taibbi's writing or his writing style. Someone is free to have a different opinion of course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 01, 2010, 03:28:44 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 29, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Here's a lengthy Rolling Stone interview with our Kenyan Muslin Soshulist Dictator President. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395?RS_show_page=0)

There's also an excellent Taibbi read on the Tea Party that I can't remember if it got posted or not; those of us who enjoy Taibbi will enjoy it, and those of us who feel the need to be offended by Taibbi because he uses naughty words and writes like a jackass will do their usual thing.  Circle of life and all that bullshit.

Very good article.  Thanks for linking to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2010, 10:28:27 PM
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Rick Sanchez, a daytime anchor at CNN, was fired on Friday, a day after telling a radio interviewer that Jon Stewart was a bigot and that “everybody that runs CNN is a lot like Stewart.”

The latter comment was made shortly after Mr. Stewart’s faith, Judaism, was invoked.

CNN said in a statement Friday evening, “Rick Sanchez is no longer with the company. We thank Rick for his years of service and we wish him well.”

Mr. Sanchez’s comments came Thursday during a contentious conversation with the comedian Pete Dominick on satellite radio. By Friday afternoon, a recording of the conversation had circulated widely on the Internet.

In the conversation Mr. Sanchez, who is Cuban-American, repeatedly suggested that he had experienced subtle forms of discrimination in his television career.

He said that “a lot of elite Northeast establishment liberals” viewed him as someone “who belongs in the second tier and not the top tier.”

Among those establishment figures, he said, was Mr. Stewart, the host of “The Daily Show” on Comedy Central and a friend of Mr. Dominick’s.

At first, Mr. Sanchez called Mr. Stewart a “bigot,” but later took the word back, calling the comedian “prejudicial” instead.

Prejudicial “against who?” Mr. Dominick asked.

Mr. Sanchez said, “Against anybody who doesn’t agree to his point of view, which is very much a white liberal establishment point of view.”

One of the co-hosts of the radio show brought up the fact that Mr. Stewart was a Jew, saying to Mr. Sanchez that he was a minority “as much as you are.”

Mr. Sanchez answered sarcastically, “Yeah. Yeah. Very powerless people.” He let out a high-pitched laugh.

“Everybody that runs CNN is a lot like Stewart,” Mr. Sanchez said. “And a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart. And to imply that somehow they — the people in this country who are Jewish — are an oppressed minority? Yeah.”

Mr. Stewart has made jokes about Mr. Sanchez more than 20 times in the last five years, according to a search of the show’s Web site. Or as Mr. Sanchez put it, “You watch yourself on his show every day and all they ever do is call you stupid.”

Mr. Stewart was far from the only person known to mock Mr. Sanchez, who was once tasered on camera for a segment. He was a polarizing figure within CNN, but under the channel’s former president, Jonathan Klein, he was rewarded with more air time, most recently a two-hour block in the afternoons. Mr. Klein was fired last week.

On Wednesday, Mr. Sanchez ended two months as an interim prime-time anchor. He appeared on the radio show as part of tour to promote his book “Conventional Idiocy.” Attempts to reach Mr. Sanchez were unsuccessful.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/business/media/02cnn.html?_r=1&src=busln
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 01, 2010, 10:37:49 PM
Make distinguished mentally-challenged, bigoted, ignorant comments....in light of a career of being generally stupid on air...

get fired.

No tears here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2010, 10:43:10 PM
He'll be scooped up by Fox News I'm sure where such comments would be championed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2010, 11:46:29 PM
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Mr. Stewart was far from the only person known to mock Mr. Sanchez, who was once tasered on camera for a segment. He was a polarizing figure within CNN, but under the channel’s former president, Jonathan Klein, he was rewarded with more air time, most recently a two-hour block in the afternoons. Mr. Klein was fired last week.

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 02, 2010, 12:47:52 AM
lol @ people even knowing who that guy is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 02, 2010, 01:03:14 AM
They live for trivial shit like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 02, 2010, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 01, 2010, 03:28:44 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 29, 2010, 11:08:45 PM
Here's a lengthy Rolling Stone interview with our Kenyan Muslin Soshulist Dictator President. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/209395?RS_show_page=0)

There's also an excellent Taibbi read on the Tea Party that I can't remember if it got posted or not; those of us who enjoy Taibbi will enjoy it, and those of us who feel the need to be offended by Taibbi because he uses naughty words and writes like a jackass will do their usual thing.  Circle of life and all that bullshit.

Very good article.  Thanks for linking to it.

Oops, I meant the Taibbi tea and crackers article, not the Obama interview.

Quote
He'll be scooped up by Fox News I'm sure where such comments would be championed.

That comment reminds me...whatever happened with Carrie Prejean?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 11:29:37 AM
Probably going on dates with rich old republican donors
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2010, 12:02:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 11:29:37 AM
Probably going on dates with rich old republican donors

She's going to marry Joe the Plumber and they will have perfect conservative children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 02, 2010, 06:31:33 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6911YX20101002

Apparently up to 200,000 people attended the liberal rally in Washington DC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2010, 07:24:37 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 02, 2010, 06:31:33 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6911YX20101002

Apparently up to 200,000 people attended the liberal rally in Washington DC

but michelle bachmann said at least a million people attended glenn beck's tea bagger rally :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2010, 08:59:52 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 02, 2010, 06:31:33 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6911YX20101002

Apparently up to 200,000 people attended the liberal rally in Washington DC

Can't wait to see this covered on Fox News

oh wait :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 02, 2010, 09:43:50 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2010, 11:05:22 PM
You make the molotov combination with whisky and newspaper, not beer.


edit: nice edit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2010, 09:58:52 PM
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/jim-demint-gays-and-unmarried-women-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-be-teachers/

 ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2010, 12:10:48 AM
Hey PD, have you seen Street Fight (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457496/)?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2010, 01:52:52 AM
No, not that Street Fighter

hmm that sounds interesting though. Gonna rent it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 04, 2010, 09:56:29 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/11/101011fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=4 (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/11/101011fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=4)

Quote from: New Yorker article regarding the failed climate change bill
For years, Graham had lived in McCain’s shadow. But, as the rebellious politics of 2010 transformed McCain into a harsh partisan, Graham adopted McCain’s old identity as the Senate’s happy moderate. To Graham’s delight, on December 23rd Time posted an online article headlined “LINDSEY GRAHAM: NEW GOP MAVERICK IN THE SENATE.” The photograph showed Graham standing at a lectern with Lieberman and Kerry.

McCain, worried about his reëlection, had been throwing rocks from the sidelines as the cap-and-trade debate progressed. When Waxman-Markey passed, he Tweeted that it was a “1400 page monstrosity.” A month after K.G.L. was formed, McCain told Politico, “Their start has been horrendous. Obviously, they’re going nowhere.” After the Time piece appeared, he was enraged. Graham told colleagues that McCain had called him and yelled at him, incensed that he was stealing the maverick mantle. “After that Graham story came out, McCain completely stopped talking to me,” Jay Newton-Small, the author of the Time piece, said.

 :rofl :rofl

Jesus Christ, how old is McCain? 70-something or 7? The article confirms not only that powerful interest groups determine the fate of all legislation but also that most American politicians suffer from narcissistic personality disorder to the extent that they make Green Shinobi look like a well-adjusted man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on October 05, 2010, 04:51:05 AM
california voters :fbm

polling shows california voters split 43%/42% on prop 23 which would suspend AB 32

polling shows 67% of california voters support AB 32
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2010, 12:35:31 AM
Quote from: etiolate on October 05, 2010, 04:51:05 AM
california voters :fbm

polling shows california voters split 43%/42% on prop 23 which would suspend AB 32

polling shows 67% of california voters support AB 32

Which poll is that from? I thought people overwhelmingly opposed AB 32?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2010, 08:05:37 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIXWYBTpLtSayJtg41LKXpxSxVPAD9IMDG4O0?docId=D9IMDG4O0

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WASHINGTON — The White House blocked efforts by federal scientists to tell the public just how bad the Gulf oil spill could have been, according to a panel appointed by President Barack Obama to investigate the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history.

In documents released Wednesday, the national oil spill commission's staff reveals that in late April or early May the White House budget office denied a request from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to make public the worst-case discharge from the blown-out well. The Unified Command — the government team in charge of the spill response — also was discussing the possibility of making the numbers public, the report says, citing interviews with government officials.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

But Jerry Miller, head of the White House science office's ocean subcommittee, told The Associated Press in an interview at a St. Petersburg, Fla., conference on the oil's flow that he didn't think the budget office censored NOAA.

"I would very much doubt that anyone would put restrictions on NOAA's ability to articulate factual information," Miller said.

The April 20 blowout and explosion in the Gulf of Mexico killed 11 workers, spewed 206 million gallons of oil from the damaged oil well, and sunk the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig.

BP's drilling permit for the Macondo well originally estimated the worst scenario to be a leak of 6.8 million gallons per day. In late April, the Coast Guard and NOAA received an updated estimate of 2.7 million to 4.6 million gallons per day.

While those figures were used as the basis for the government's response to the spill — they appeared on an internal Coast Guard Situation report and on a dry-erase board in NOAA's Seattle war room — the public was never told.

In the meantime, government officials were telling the public that the well was releasing 210,000 gallons per day — a figure that would be later adjusted to be much closer to the worst-case estimates.

"Despite the fact that the Unified Command had this information, relied on it for operations, and publicly states that it was operating under a worst-case scenario, the government never disclosed what its...scenario was," the report says.

University of South Florida oceanographer David Hollander, who was also at the St. Petersburg meeting of 150 scientists studying the oil flow on Wednesday, said he was surprised to find that the White House budget office gagged NOAA. He said public disclosure would have helped scientists to figure out what was going on.

"It would have been much better to know, from a scientific point of view, the reality," he said in an interview with the AP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 07, 2010, 10:16:36 AM
I love how there is no coverage anymore on the oil spill.  Claims are being denied left and right and the economy for the entire region is even more in the shitter.  Has anyone seen the prices on gulf shrimp??  Ridiculous. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/11/mccain-201011

durrr. I've been saying this for many years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 07, 2010, 12:01:16 PM
I liked McCain when he was denouncing the military industrial complex and not whining about a fucking wall with Mexico :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2010, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 07, 2010, 12:01:16 PM
I liked McCain when he was denouncing the military industrial complex and not whining about a fucking wall with Mexico :(

Always struck me as a bogus act since he was just mad at not getting the nomination. He picked all his positions just to be the anti-Bush and then quickly renouced them when it wasn't in vogue anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2010, 12:22:11 PM
I'm certainly guilty of buying into the McCain maverick meme. During the 08 election he seemed unwilling to sell himself completely out for the presidency, at least to me. He refused to go along with the Palin idea of going full throttle negative fear mongering. I'll always remember him taking the mic from that old woman who claimed Obama was an Arab; while McCain's answer wasn't exactly artful, it was a clear and forceful dismissal of racist bullshit. Compare that to the almost standard republican response of "well I don't really know/we don't know much about him/that's an interesting question/etc."

But this primary race has really exposed McCain. Plus that New Yorker piece about McCain turning on Lindsy Graham because he had been labeled the "new" maverick by a Time article.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 07, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
I never bought into the maverick thing.  He always seemed to pursue his self interests uber alles, which doesn't make him much better than most of the other politicians.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 07, 2010, 11:59:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yiyip3ddY4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

PD bringing the real talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2010, 12:47:45 AM
not black enough
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2010, 12:55:37 AM
[youtube=560,345]utA511RPguA[/youtube]

he's an asshole, but he's OUR asshole god dammit :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 08, 2010, 01:20:33 AM
Well, he'll make for a good talking head on MSNBC when he loses in a month.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2010, 01:29:56 AM
you're probably right. dude has raised a lot of money and done some good things, but the hyper partisan rhetoric makes him a target. I hope he wins but he's currently down in the polls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 08, 2010, 01:40:46 AM
speaking of, Russ Feingold is in a dicey race and losing him would be a fucking tragedy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 08, 2010, 10:49:16 AM
[youtube=560,345]yOZEOvkg4TM[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 08, 2010, 01:48:20 PM
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/6/2/1/32621.jpg?v=1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 10, 2010, 03:59:07 AM
I sort of have a crush on Christine O'Donnell, she makes me nostalgic for my Catholic-school childhood. Somehow, despite that my parents were basically agnostics who only sent me there because our public school district was notoriously bad, and despite that the school itself was fairly liberal with nuns who'd tell us about how women were going to be priests someday, I still managed to internalize some of the notorious "Catholic guilt" everyone talks about. I remember being kept up at night in fifth grade afraid that Satan would tempt me or was already tempting me through like Nintendo games and stuff, and shouldn't I really give those up if I want to be a good person?

so yeah, nobody understands her but me  :violin :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 11, 2010, 11:23:50 AM
You two can masturbate and cry together!  SINNERS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 11, 2010, 05:34:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_republican_candidate_nazi_costume;_ylt=ArXB_Y8KODPZ4142ur2RKb.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4ZW00NTl0BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMDExL3VzX3JlcHVibGljYW5fY2FuZGlkYXRlX25hemlfY29zdHVtZQRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzYEcG9zAzMEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl9oZWFkbGluZV9saXN0BHNsawNvaGlvZ29wY2FuZGk-

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OLUMBUS, Ohio – A Republican congressional candidate from Ohio, countering criticism from a House GOP leader, said he did nothing wrong by wearing a Nazi uniform while participating in World War II re-enactments.

Rich Iott told The Associated Press in an interview Monday that he took part in the historical re-enactments to educate the public, and does not agree with the Nazis' views or their actions against Jews.

Asked whether it was wrong to wear a Nazi uniform, Iott said: "I don't see anything wrong about educating the public about events that happened. And that's the whole purpose of historical re-enacting."

Iott faces Democratic incumbent Rep. Marcy Kaptur in northwest Ohio in the November election.

The Atlantic magazine first reported Friday that Iott had participated in the re-enactments wearing a Waffen-SS uniform.

Iott said Monday he was in a re-enactment group called Wiking for three or four years — though he believed his name remained on the group's roster for longer. He said he and his then-teenage son had joined as a part of a shared interest in history.

The House Republicans' No. 2 leader, Eric Cantor of Virginia, on Sunday said he repudiates Iott's actions and would not support someone who would dress in Nazi attire. His remarks on "Fox News Sunday" came after Democratic Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, of Florida, cited Iott as an example of GOP candidates with extreme views.

"You know good and well that I don't support anything like that," said Cantor, who is Jewish.

Iott said Cantor had no information or background about his re-enacting.
Holy shit this country is insane. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 13, 2010, 01:19:17 AM
[youtube=560,345]7QDv4sYwjO0  [/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 13, 2010, 09:47:24 AM
[youtube=560,345]nj4uBwpimjg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 14, 2010, 01:22:02 AM
Is the Ugly Bety chick playing the teacher?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
Perhaps the most through, entertaining destruction of conservative bullshit I've ever seen
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/stewart-schools-cantor-conservatives-only-limit-govt-to-the-sht-they-want-to-do-video.php?ref=fpb

edit: hell, I'm gonna give Cantor some dap. I disagreed with nearly everything he said, but at least he was honest about what he wants to do and didn't hide behind talking points for the entire interview. Two ideological perspectives were presented, choose one. That doesn't happen often.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 14, 2010, 05:37:12 AM
I didn't watch the debate between Coons and O'Donnell, but I know she was annihilated because conservative commentators are saying they thought that "both performed equally well."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 06:34:01 AM
So Christine O'Donnell was debating that Coons guy, and was asked her opinions on on recent Supreme Court decisions. In what appeared to be a homage to Palin, she wasn't able to answer the question and said she'd post her opinion on her website later.

Quote
(Update: O'Donnell spokesman Dave Yonkman told reporters after the debate that "She was caught off guard." He said O'Donnell disagrees with the high court's 2005 Kelo vs City of New London decision expanding eminent domain authority.)

I've seen idiots like Palin trying to damage control instances like this by blaming "gotcha journalism", but it takes a certain level of teabaggery to try and attempt to receive partial credit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 14, 2010, 09:38:27 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2010/1014/Christine-O-Donnell-debate-Did-anybody-win

Quote from: lawl
So, how did she do?

Well, Ms. O’Donnell definitely did not turn into a pumpkin, if you’ll allow a little mixing of metaphors. She was poised, articulate, and rattled off her talking points like a pro. In that sense, she surpassed expectations.

It really is Palin: Part Deux. "Well, she didn't burst into tears, shit her pants on-stage, or start speaking in tongues, so in that sense Ms. O'Donnell was a smashing success."

The standards are so low it's incredible. Apparently Coons looked "visibly annoyed" at his opponent. Well no shit! How demeaning is a debate that isn't a debate at all. What a farce.

(Actually, I did watch clips of the debate, and Ms. O'Donnell was surprisingly more fluent in English than Palin, but she sounded just as uninformed and intellectually incurious nonetheless.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 10:20:15 AM
I'm sorry, if I was Coons I'd call her out right there.  You can't buy that type of press and there's not much better to rally Dems than a good ol' conservative beatdown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 10:34:42 AM
At least O'Donnell can clearly and effectively articulate her thoughts. Palin can't even do that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 10:50:55 AM
Do you guys remember when Russia was next to Alaska?  That was pretty cool.

I had a chick at work seriously defending Palin.  Ugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 14, 2010, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 10:20:15 AM
I'm sorry, if I was Coons I'd call her out right there.  You can't buy that type of press and there's not much better to rally Dems than a good ol' conservative beatdown.

But that might rally conservatives as well against that big old meanie Coons!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/us/politics/14delaware.html?src=mv (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/us/politics/14delaware.html?src=mv)

Quote from: NYT
While Mr. Coons had broader range on issues and current events, he sometimes seemed mean-spirited. When Ms. O’Donnell asked whether a company he was connected to would benefit from the clean energy bill, he scoffed, “It was difficult for me to understand from her question what she was talking about.”

That could just serve to reinforce Ms. O’Donnell’s image, which has had deep resonance this election season — that of an ordinary person trying to bring common sense to Washington.

That appealed to Alexandra Gawel, 23, a sociology major at the university who has worked her way through college as a waitress.

“She is someone I can relate to,” Ms. Gawel said, outside the debate hall in the late afternoon. “She’s not had everything handed to her.”

Translation: "She is someone I can relate to because she's also fucking stupid."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 11:40:56 AM
Jesus.

He needs to just go all the way with it.  Pull a Howard Beale but not distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 14, 2010, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 10:50:55 AM
I had a chick at work seriously defending Palin.  Ugh.

the best way to get over that is to bang her
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 12:40:41 PM
oh god no no no no

her nickname in the office Leopard Snuggie and she has a FUPA that will suffocate any grown man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 12:58:31 PM
For America.  For our basic freedoms.

Here I go...

 :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 14, 2010, 02:40:08 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 12:58:31 PM
For America.  For our basic freedoms.

Here I go...

 :-X

This is you after defending our freedoms:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uSoPHw1fCRI/SmiKBAPjs1I/AAAAAAAAAW8/G9g4SjtMI40/s320/jay+american+flag.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 05:15:31 PM
it was so exhausting. i just bought 20 gallons of listerine. excuse me while i bathe in it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 14, 2010, 06:44:22 PM
Quote from: Tristam on October 14, 2010, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 14, 2010, 10:20:15 AM
I'm sorry, if I was Coons I'd call her out right there.  You can't buy that type of press and there's not much better to rally Dems than a good ol' conservative beatdown.

But that might rally conservatives as well against that big old meanie Coons!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/us/politics/14delaware.html?src=mv (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/us/politics/14delaware.html?src=mv)

Quote from: NYT
While Mr. Coons had broader range on issues and current events, he sometimes seemed mean-spirited. When Ms. O’Donnell asked whether a company he was connected to would benefit from the clean energy bill, he scoffed, “It was difficult for me to understand from her question what she was talking about.”

That could just serve to reinforce Ms. O’Donnell’s image, which has had deep resonance this election season — that of an ordinary person trying to bring common sense to Washington.

That appealed to Alexandra Gawel, 23, a sociology major at the university who has worked her way through college as a waitress.

“She is someone I can relate to,” Ms. Gawel said, outside the debate hall in the late afternoon. “She’s not had everything handed to her.”

Translation: "She is someone I can relate to because she's also fucking stupid."

Sociology majors are generally fucking stupid as a whole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 14, 2010, 06:51:14 PM
Quote from: Tristam on October 14, 2010, 11:32:32 AM


That appealed to Alexandra Gawel, 23, a sociology major at the university who has worked her way through college as a waitress.

“She is someone I can relate to,” Ms. Gawel said, outside the debate hall in the late afternoon. “She’s not had everything handed to her.”



Eww, sociology majors.  :yuck

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 07:38:05 PM
so sayeth the history major :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 07:38:05 PM
so sayeth the history major :teehee

Hey, shut up!  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 14, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 07:38:05 PM
so sayeth the history major :teehee

No, you see, sociology majors have delusions of being practical and relevant.

Us history students have no such delusions of relevancy.  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 08:08:31 PM
:piss marketing majors :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 08:28:11 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 14, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 07:38:05 PM
so sayeth the history major :teehee

No, you see, sociology majors have delusions of being practical and relevant.

Us history students have no such delusions of relevancy.  :P

Word. :smug

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on October 14, 2010, 09:33:53 PM
MICHELLE OBAMA: Once again, we have the power. You know, we got this man in office. I think we're all proud of Barack and his accomplishments. Everybody I know in our community are praying for him. Every day we feel that and let me just tell you listeners that it means all the world to us to know that there are prayer circled out there and people who are keeping the spirits clean around us.

 :smug

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2010, 09:43:50 PM
gotta be shitting me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 14, 2010, 10:33:24 PM
Red flags are raised by who?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
What do you know about animism, Green Man?

ARE YOU A WITCH TOO?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2010, 11:42:33 PM
I simultaneously can't and can believe this is real:

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Sarah Palin advisers prepped Christine O'Donnell for debate

Jeez, people. Save some for the Onion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 15, 2010, 11:15:03 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvp0Jljh6U[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2010, 02:51:58 AM
Nationalist assholes, same shit wherever you find them (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11555264).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 17, 2010, 08:03:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2010, 02:51:58 AM
Nationalist assholes, same shit wherever you find them (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11555264).

I found the linked story interesting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2010, 06:51:20 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/matt-taibbi/blogs/TaibbiData_May2010/218982/83512
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2010, 09:06:44 PM
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This whole concept of “good welfare” and “bad welfare” is at the heart of the Tea Party ideology, and it’s something that is believed implicitly across the line. It’s why so many of their political champions, like Miller, and sniveling Kentucky rich kid Rand Paul (a doctor whose patient base is 50% state insured), and Nevada “crazy juice” Senate candidate Sharron Angle (who’s covered by husband Ted’s Federal Employee Health Plan insurance), are so completely unapologetic about taking state aid with one hand and jacking off angry pseudo-libertarian mobs with the other.

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2010, 10:01:45 PM
sweet jesus that's going on my facebook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2010, 08:51:33 AM
Non-licensed optometrists deserve a comfortable life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
[youtube=560,345]DItTNM8fBq8[/youtube]

I'm all for playing dirty when you have to but come on. Conway didn't even seem comfortable making the attack.

It baffles my mind that a state as propped up by government welfare/aid as Kentucky is going to send Rand Paul to the senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2010, 12:08:17 AM
I like Conway but damn he got ethered in front of his supporters

[youtube=560,345]Umx2b4jPFcQ[/youtube]

Matthews with the kill  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on October 19, 2010, 11:00:51 AM
[youtube=560,345]SC0XhIAZYk0[/youtube]

:american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2010, 03:24:31 PM
Barack Obama got elected on the sole fact that he was black

 :usacry

White persons

:usacry :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/christine-odonnell-where-in-the-constitution-is-the-separation-of-church-and-state.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 19, 2010, 05:14:21 PM
 :yuck  What a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2010, 06:02:54 PM
Who here lives in NY?  You are now legally obligated to vote for THIS GUY to be your next Gov:

[youtube=560,345]x4o-TeMHys0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 19, 2010, 06:41:52 PM
That dude is fucking incredible. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 19, 2010, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 19, 2010, 06:02:54 PM
Who here lives in NY?  You are now legally obligated to vote for THIS GUY to be your next Gov:

[youtube=560,345]x4o-TeMHys0[/youtube]

I would, but I have to vote for Cuomo and make damn well sure Paladino gets no where near the governor's seat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2010, 12:10:09 AM
THAT MAN IS A KARATE MASTER.  YOUR RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH.  VOTE FOR HIM!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2010, 12:24:07 AM
His facial hair is registered as a lethal weapon in three states.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
[youtube=560,345]CkktfiBxJgQ[/youtube]

University of Michigan education on display
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2010, 10:38:06 AM
Glenn Beck: "If Evolution is real WHY WE STILL GOT MONKEYS!"



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/glenn-beck-joins-the-rank_n_770331.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 21, 2010, 03:08:20 PM
(http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/library/a9ab8615c1c8e811d90e6a706700b100.jpg)
Obama went to my neighborhood donut shop this morning. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
I only wish that fox news had standards like NPR.  :usacry

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
It's baffling how quickly the right has come to Juan Williams' defense over his comments, and is just another example of the demonizing of Muslims/Arabs becoming accepted in mainstream society. I'm even more ashamed of Williams because as a black man he should know better than this. His comments are no different than someone admitting they clutch their purse or wallet when a black man walks past them, or gets nervous when a black man walks into a small convenience store. Those type of comments would not be tolerated or defended today. Yet apparently there's nothing wrong with expressing racism or prejudices aimed at Arabs? Disgusting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2010, 08:07:19 PM
I have to admit that when a white guy in a suit comes to my front door, I get a little nervous.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2010, 08:52:03 PM
[youtube=560,345]rdpbiXuBDZ0[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2010, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
It's baffling how quickly the right has come to Juan Williams' defense over his comments

No its not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2010, 09:12:57 PM
It is though. His comments are pretty clear cut out of bounds when transferred to any other race or religion. There's no "sacred" ground to grandstand on either, like with the 911 mosque issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2010, 09:16:56 PM
Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, which are the prominent right every day say something either racist, sexist, or anti-muslim. If you are shocked that they will at any cost defend one of their own on these issues, (even though Williams is supposed to be a fox news "liberal") I'm not sure where you've been the last decade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2010, 09:23:16 PM
True. I guess my point is that this is such a head of hypocrisy I can barely process it. Like I said, at least with the mosque they had a crutch to take advantage of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2010, 11:24:38 PM
Muslims taking away our freedom of speech. Now he's probably going to be tried under Sharia Law and stoned. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 21, 2010, 11:35:30 PM
Probably will go vote tomorrow even though in FL a lot of races are forgone conclusions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2010, 11:39:44 PM
Yeah, I told a democratic campaign volunteer tonight that I was voting sometime in the next week, and that I was going to vote straight Democratic with the possible exception of my shitty congressman, who voted against healthcare and financial regulation and likes to brag about it.  SUCK IT BLUE DOG!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2010, 11:57:32 PM
I'm voting for a republican governor :teehee

I'll have to do some research and find out if any blue dogs will be on my ballot. I always vote, but I'm not attending any campaign shit this year. Definitely not working for a party of pussies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
I voted the other day, hopefully Dino Rossi loses again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 22, 2010, 01:15:49 AM
The only position that I could imagine not voting for the Dem in my state is for the senate although its a moot point. Jack ass rubio is going to win no matter what. Meeks and Crist are splittling the anti-rubio vote so neither has a chance of winning so I'm not sure who to vote for although like I said, it doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
Can't believe a dude who wants to phase out social security/medicare is going to win in Florida.

this whole country is fucked
:walter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on October 22, 2010, 08:06:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
Can't believe a dude who wants to phase out social security/medicare is going to win in Florida.

this whole country is fucked
:walter

(http://i.imgur.com/8u5sI.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 22, 2010, 09:11:17 AM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 22, 2010, 10:56:46 AM
in our defence, we didn't become fundamentalist morons, we always were fundamentalist morons
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 22, 2010, 11:37:14 AM
Can anyone link me to events that would cause the right to hate George Soros? Is it just because he donated to the democrats during the 04 election against GWB?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 22, 2010, 11:41:02 AM
hey now, most of us love science so long as it doesn't disprove God and makes us money at the same time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on October 22, 2010, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
Can't believe a dude who wants to phase out social security/medicare is going to win in Florida.

this whole country is fucked
:walter
Well he wouldn't have a shot if Crist and Meek weren't splitting the liberal & moderate vote. Either Meek or Crist needed to have their support collapse. It never happened. If dems wanted to hold on to it they should have endorsed Crist, he would have won and caucused with them. Oh well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 24, 2010, 04:48:55 AM
Quote from: Hyoushi on October 22, 2010, 08:06:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/8u5sI.png)
Didn't the founding fathers have the ideals of liberty, enlightenment and a republic? :smug

Hell I'd blame democracy and by inclusion the ignorant masses who watch said Friends for the shit America has gotten itself into.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 24, 2010, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on October 22, 2010, 11:43:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
Can't believe a dude who wants to phase out social security/medicare is going to win in Florida.

this whole country is fucked
:walter
Well he wouldn't have a shot if Crist and Meek weren't splitting the liberal & moderate vote. Either Meek or Crist needed to have their support collapse. It never happened. If dems wanted to hold on to it they should have endorsed Crist, he would have won and caucused with them. Oh well.

Yep.  A shame.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 03:20:20 PM
Another great article from Ta-Nehisi Coates

"Black Men Are Watching Every Move I Make..."
http://www.theatlantic.com/personal/archive/2010/10/-black-men-are-watching-every-move-i-make/65111/#disqus_thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
Quote from: Hyoushi on October 22, 2010, 08:06:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2010, 01:24:41 AM
Can't believe a dude who wants to phase out social security/medicare is going to win in Florida.

this whole country is fucked
:walter

(http://i.imgur.com/8u5sI.png)

goddamn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 05:23:56 PM
Kinda ashamed I haven't read it lol. Growing up I read Soul On Ice, Invisible Man, Go Tell It on the Mountain, etc but never Malcolm X. Really love the movie though :teehee

My favorite book on the African American experience - and my favorite book period - is still Black Boy by Richard Wright though. I haven't read anything that resonates with me more personally than that. I read it at a young age, in part because my cousin was reading it for college and told me I couldn't read it because it was "too advanced" for me. And it definitely was for a 14 year old, although even then I identified with many parts of it. I'd read it again every couple years or so, and it would make more sense having experienced more in life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2010, 05:25:25 PM
Get it. Fantastic book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.

Who knows, maybe Himu will be a republican by then
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2010, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.

I will join this black panther party and Obama has a lot of work to do to make me vote for him again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2010, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.

I will join this black panther party and Obama has a lot of work to do to make me vote for him again.

Enjoy President Palin then, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Binary choice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2010, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.

Who knows, maybe Himu will be a republican by then

Fuck no. Registered democrat, waiting for a fucking moderate candidate that isn't a whack job. Get rid of the two party system, America no longer needs it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2010, 05:41:31 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:39:56 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:39:12 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.

I will join this black panther party and Obama has a lot of work to do to make me vote for him again.

Enjoy President Palin then, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Binary choice.

You don't ACTUALLY believe she'll make it that far.

Haha

hahahaha

ha

haaaaaaaaaaaaa

where's my absentee ballot?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 05:42:41 PM
Huckabee 2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 05:46:57 PM
is this your homework larry?
http://shaundakin.posterous.com/mi-robocall-how-many-times-can-you-say-homose
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 25, 2010, 06:08:10 PM
Quote
is this your homework larry?
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2010, 08:13:44 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:40:04 PM
Fuck no. Registered democrat, waiting for a fucking moderate candidate that isn't a whack job. Get rid of the two party system, America no longer needs it.

What does any of that even mean?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2010, 08:26:09 PM
Of course, military funding is the worst form of stimulus*.  Shooting wars mean a lot of deaths, injuries, destruction of physical infrastructure, population displacement, and the general disruption of economic activity.

When you buy a missile, that's millions of dollars spent on a product where the most efficient possible use is to let it sit and collect dust until it's obsolete.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 25, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:40:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2010, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2010, 05:33:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2010, 05:17:51 PM
Good article. That book changed my life.

I feel bad about it but I'm not going to vote. I'm not feeling any side.

When Obama is being impeached for not vigorously investigating voter intimidation by the New Black Panther party, I will remind you that this is all your fault.  You fucking schmuck.

Who knows, maybe Himu will be a republican by then

Fuck no. Registered democrat, waiting for a fucking moderate candidate that isn't a whack job. Get rid of the two party system, America no longer needs it.

So, are you suggesting that Obama is either a whack job or immoderate?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2010, 03:08:48 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/male-rand-paul-supporter-stomps-head-of-female-moveon-member-outside-debate.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 26, 2010, 05:31:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2010, 03:08:48 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/male-rand-paul-supporter-stomps-head-of-female-moveon-member-outside-debate.php?ref=fpb
We really need to get rid of the two-party system - we got crazies on one side stomping on peoples heads and crazies on the other side scuffing peoples shoes with their face.

I'm sitting this one out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 26, 2010, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 21, 2010, 07:06:26 PM
I only wish that fox news had standards like NPR.  :usacry

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Maybe they should have just given him an unpaid suspension or something but it did make sense to punish him somehow.  If it's your job to represent your boss, a political radio station, and you're showing a biased political viewpoint not in line with that boss, then it makes sense for you to be punished in some way.  Now NPR is pretty centrist it seems, they for example also banned their employees from attending a Stewart/Colbert rally.

It makes sense, they want employees who don't make their coverage look biased.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 26, 2010, 04:20:13 PM
wtf it's not that it's biased it's that he's so dumb that he went out and said something blatantly racist on t.v.  how do you not see... oh, it's am nintendo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 26, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
Being racist isn't illegal, I assumed that the reason Zero Hero didn't agree with firing him was because it feels wrong for somebody to be legally required to represent their employer 24/7/365.  I didn't assume that Zero Hero was fine with someone announcing their racism on national TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 26, 2010, 06:26:12 PM
I see this as a bailout for those of us short of wit now that "at l at least Fox wll hire him" is a once again a hot high-five, at the expense of responsible snark makers who wisely invested their quips in longer yield lols
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 26, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 26, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
Being racist isn't illegal, I assumed that the reason Zero Hero didn't agree with firing him was because it feels wrong for somebody to be legally required to represent their employer 24/7/365.  I didn't assume that Zero Hero was fine with someone announcing their racism on national TV.

keeping a racist on staff generally reflects poorly on your organizaton, especially if said organization happens to be a fucking liberal news & opinion outlet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 26, 2010, 07:45:21 PM
Whether he knew it or not (he did), when you are talking on a panel or as a guest, you represent your employer, especially if it is part of your job.  He said views that were inconsistent with the employer.  Pretty simple and straight forward.

Considering the huge payday he received from Fox News, I doubt he is shedding any tears over it and neither is NPR I suspect.

Anyway, I voted early.  Straight Democrat ticket, except for various people in local level elections who are non-party.  Democrats have been shit for the past two years but Republicans are a nightmare.  Voted for the lesser evil.  I opted not to donate to the Democrats this time because of what I said two sentences back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2010, 01:18:03 AM
Gonna vote tomorrow probably.  Not sure if I'm gonna vote for my shitty blue dog congresscritter, but other than that I'll vote straight dem.  They may be corrupt and incompetent, but at least they're not demonstrably insane like the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 27, 2010, 03:33:30 AM
I'd say it has more to do with his job description than with representing the organization generally.  If someone in accounts payable had spouted off the same way it wouldn't be an issue.  But Williams is a pundit.  His job is to interpret and analyze national and world events for the benefit of the listeners.  If he makes himself look foolish or biased then he's not going to be an asset to NPR.  Why keep him around?

Also, I can see why people don't like the "say one dumb thing and you're fired" dynamic and how it might make media people more bland and overcautious.  But there will always be taboos; it's a matter of where you draw the line.  Besides, Juan Williams sucked.  The real problem isn't the talking heads who get fired for making one dumb comment, but the ones who can't get fired despite making a million of them.

Quote from: am nintenho on October 26, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
Being racist isn't illegal

Which is why nobody arrested him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2010, 11:14:06 AM
I'm not crying for Juan Williams, he sucks ass, and it's really, really nice to see someone finally called to account over Islamophobic comments, but after all this time it's weird to see his *relatively* sort-of mild comments (in comparison to what's spewed daily) being the ones that someone finally gets called out on.

Of course, NPR isn't cable news, so there's that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2010, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 26, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
Being racist isn't illegal, I assumed that the reason Zero Hero didn't agree with firing him was because it feels wrong for somebody to be legally required to represent their employer 24/7/365.  I didn't assume that Zero Hero was fine with someone announcing their racism on national TV.

Why are you acting like he's some janitor who got reported to HR by someone who thinks they heard something from the other table in the lunchroom.

HIS JOB IS TO BE ON TV FLAPPING HIS GUMS, IF HE FUCKS UP WHILE DOING THAT HE IS FAIR GAME
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 12:06:38 PM
What better way to mark your return to EB than defending Juan Williams
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 27, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
2012: How Sarah Barracuda Becomes President http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/69130/ (http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/69130/)

Clive Crook called the article an "excellent piece," so you already know it's going to suck. Of course she has virtually no chance to ever win the presidency.

Still, our electorate isn't getting any smarter, and it is fantastic to marvel at the incalculable damage Palin could and would do to both the country and the world as POTUS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 12:31:39 PM
She could win depending on the economy. It's not like Obama has endeared himself to voters in Florida, Ohio, PA, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2010, 12:55:01 PM
It's really amazing how many middle aged women and men believe in Palin.  Fucking idiots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 02:42:16 PM
That's an FoC level troll
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2010, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on October 27, 2010, 02:40:37 PM
http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201010260025 (http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201010260025)
My reaction can be summed up in a several year old videogame meme:
[img]http://www.rpgland.com/heath/forum/bailout.jpg[img]

Quote
What Coons would have our schools teach is not science at all, but superstition.

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2010, 02:49:08 PM
They have to be shitting themselves laughing at how absurd that all is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 27, 2010, 02:49:08 PM
They have to be shitting themselves laughing at how absurd that all is.

nope
Quote
"It's really funny the way that the media reports things," O'Donnell said, in an interview with ABC's Jonathan Karl. "After the debate, my team and I, we were literally high-fiving each other... thinking that we had exposed [that Coons] doesn't know the First Amendment. And then when we read the reports that said the opposite we were all like
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20020296-503544.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2010, 02:58:41 PM
I'm at a loss for words.  It has to be a joke. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2010, 04:05:43 PM
They're pretty shifty in getting the dumb out hard and early. At this point reading this I'm not even angry anymore, but just resigned to seeing what I'd hoped America wasn't now get what it deserves. Any solace the O'Donnell won't win is pretty meaningless if we can point to a half-dozen others that might be elected into office in a week.

Will still vote (if you don't you've earned the right to STFU), but goddamn, I can't even work up a smirk over some of this shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 04:30:17 PM
In the grand scheme of things, failing to take the house would be the best outcome for republicans. It would validate the few moderates left like my new bff Mitch Daniels, send a message to the RNC and ensure 2012 isn't another 1964 for them. Winning the house would boost Obama's 2012's chances (assuming the economy improves) and ensure we get another wave election as a larger turnout of voters boots the crazies back to their holes.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2010, 04:36:11 PM
I don't think I hate any voter more than the liberal college dbag that doesn't vote because the Dems haven't turn this country upside down and handed out ounces of hydro to everyone.  I'm going to punch them in the dick when they're bitching about the Rep. controlled House next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 04:30:17 PM
In the grand scheme of things, failing to take the house would be the best outcome for republicans. It would validate the few moderates left like my new bff Mitch Daniels, send a message to the RNC and ensure 2012 isn't another 1964 for them. Winning the house would boost Obama's 2012's chances (assuming the economy improves) and ensure we get another wave election as a larger turnout of voters boots the crazies back to their holes.

Mitch Daniels is no freaking moderate.  He has the much sought after ability to not sound or look crazy while advocating policies that will continue to destroy America and it's middle class, but that's about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 27, 2010, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 04:30:17 PM
In the grand scheme of things, failing to take the house would be the best outcome for republicans. It would validate the few moderates left like my new bff Mitch Daniels, send a message to the RNC and ensure 2012 isn't another 1964 for them. Winning the house would boost Obama's 2012's chances (assuming the economy improves) and ensure we get another wave election as a larger turnout of voters boots the crazies back to their holes.

Mitch Daniels is no freaking moderate.  He has the much sought after ability to not sound or look crazy while advocating policies that will continue to destroy America and it's middle class, but that's about it.

Don't talk about my bff like that. He's a republican with big ideas who isn't afraid to raise taxes and even has the balls to talk about a vat  :omg

I'm gonna miss Huck, but Mitch is where it's at yo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 27, 2010, 06:04:31 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 27, 2010, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 26, 2010, 06:17:26 PM
Being racist isn't illegal, I assumed that the reason Zero Hero didn't agree with firing him was because it feels wrong for somebody to be legally required to represent their employer 24/7/365.  I didn't assume that Zero Hero was fine with someone announcing their racism on national TV.

Why are you acting like he's some janitor who got reported to HR by someone who thinks they heard something from the other table in the lunchroom.

HIS JOB IS TO BE ON TV FLAPPING HIS GUMS, IF HE FUCKS UP WHILE DOING THAT HE IS FAIR GAME

If you get hired to be a journalist, you will probably have stipulations in your contract that say whether or not you can make biased comments/acts.  That's probably the LEGAL reasoning behind why this guy was fired.  The main reason why I'd cheer his termination is for moral reasons of course which I assume Zero Hero does as well, the part that might be ambiguous is the extra stipulations that some journalists have in their contracts that dictate what they can do or say.  If that doesn't concern you and if you disagree with his comments, then I can't see any other reason to disagree with firing him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2010, 06:48:33 PM
If NPR had a union, Juan would still have a job. :smug
Nintenho: I said I disagreed with the decision, but at the same time if NPR thought it was a fire-able offense then that is their prerogative. He's better off being the token at fox anyways. It's praises that shit over their.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 27, 2010, 10:39:16 PM
Well his career as a serious journalist is over but this type of thing can only help his media career.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2010, 11:41:51 PM
Which should be a bonus for regular fox viewers given his 'Bill Cosby liberalism'.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 27, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
Don't talk about my bff like that. He's a republican with big ideas who isn't afraid to raise taxes and even has the balls to talk about a vat  :omg

I'm gonna miss Huck, but Mitch is where it's at yo

Didn't Daniels propose a hike on the richest earners in Indiana, then back down when other Republicans opposed it?

The guy's not an obviously raging idealogue, but he is a rich dude enamored with his own management skills and largely devoid of empathy for people harder off than himself.  In other words, he's the white Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2010, 12:30:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 27, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
Don't talk about my bff like that. He's a republican with big ideas who isn't afraid to raise taxes and even has the balls to talk about a vat  :omg

I'm gonna miss Huck, but Mitch is where it's at yo

Didn't Daniels propose a hike on the richest earners in Indiana, then back down when other Republicans opposed it?

The guy's not an obviously raging idealogue, but he is a rich dude enamored with his own management skills and largely devoid of empathy for people harder off than himself.  In other words, he's the white Mitt Romney.

Nah, he's not Romney.  Romney exudes that used car salesman vibe.  Daniels can come off as, for lack of a better term, genuine.

He still favors the same stupid policies that will continue to wreck the country and economy, however.  He'll just seem reasonable espousing them in a way, say, Sarah Palin won't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 27, 2010, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2010, 05:34:14 PM
Don't talk about my bff like that. He's a republican with big ideas who isn't afraid to raise taxes and even has the balls to talk about a vat  :omg

I'm gonna miss Huck, but Mitch is where it's at yo

Didn't Daniels propose a hike on the richest earners in Indiana, then back down when other Republicans opposed it?

The guy's not an obviously raging idealogue, but he is a rich dude enamored with his own management skills and largely devoid of empathy for people harder off than himself.  In other words, he's the white Mitt Romney.

It was a pretty modest tax raise too, like 2% on people making $100,000 or more. He has instituted tax increases to pay for infrastructure projects and shit though

Dude looks like a pedo but I'll give him dap
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2010, 08:02:54 AM
You know he'd have to go full teatard to win the nomination, tho.  Whoever wins will have done so; this is indisputable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 28, 2010, 09:53:13 AM
At least the main people I'm planning on voting for - Cuomo, Gillibrand (total MILF), Schumer - are set to destroy the competition. Only one I'm worried about is Tim Bishop, my district's representative. 538 puts him slightly ahead of his opponent, Randy Altschuler. Who is your typical LI corporatist Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 28, 2010, 10:43:06 AM
I'm voting Palladino!

ha ha just kidding

that dude is insane
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2010, 11:44:17 AM
[youtube=560,345]M-TUu9kZlsU[/youtube]

ouch

What better way to appeal to social and fiscal conservatives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2010, 06:38:45 PM
All of you NY people choosing to defy God's will and NOT vote for the Rent is too Damn High guy are dead to me.  DEAD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2010, 07:08:04 PM
http://gawker.com/5674353/

Oh.  My.  Gawd.

Christine O'donnell had a drunken one night stand on Halloween like three years ago with this guy... and he's got pics to kind of prove it (the drunk and Halloween part, not the one night stand)

PLEASE JESUS LET THIS CRAZY BITCH WIN ON TUESDAY I NEED ENTERTAINMENT IN MY LIFE

edit:  check it oh christ it was a FAILED ONE NIGHT STAND BECAUSE JESUS DIDN'T WANT HER TO GO ALL THE WAY

Ok, I'm back to hoping she's gonna lose again.  I mean, if she's not gonna get drunk and rape male pages in the cloak room there's no reason for her to win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
Quote
When her underwear came off, I immediately noticed that the waxing trend had completely passed her by.

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
Computer Programming legend, JOHN CARMACK comments on the state of politics:

Quote
"I haven't paid any attention to the government at all, but I know it's horribly inefficient compared to for-profit."

http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/misc/government.htm

 :fbm :fbm :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2010, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 28, 2010, 07:08:04 PM
http://gawker.com/5674353/

Oh.  My.  Gawd.

Christine O'donnell had a drunken one night stand on Halloween like three years ago with this guy... and he's got pics to kind of prove it (the drunk and Halloween part, not the one night stand)

PLEASE JESUS LET THIS CRAZY BITCH WIN ON TUESDAY I NEED ENTERTAINMENT IN MY LIFE

edit:  check it oh christ it was a FAILED ONE NIGHT STAND BECAUSE JESUS DIDN'T WANT HER TO GO ALL THE WAY

Ok, I'm back to hoping she's gonna lose again.  I mean, if she's not gonna get drunk and rape male pages in the cloak room there's no reason for her to win.

oh lawd I'd smash that so hard. if anything could get her to put out it would be a bbc :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2010, 11:07:45 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 28, 2010, 09:03:13 PM
Computer Programming legend, JOHN CARMACK comments on the state of politics:

Quote
"I haven't paid any attention to the government at all, but I know it's horribly inefficient compared to for-profit."

http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/misc/government.htm

 :fbm :fbm :fbm

he and his wife have been longtime randroid capital-L libertarians. no surprise here!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 12:17:35 AM
yea those christian sidehug foursomes must have been awkward
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 29, 2010, 12:47:04 AM
joke is played out like the jheri curl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 12:48:06 AM
:patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2010, 01:27:03 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 28, 2010, 07:08:04 PM
http://gawker.com/5674353/

Yech, that guy's a huge asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 29, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
While I think certain parts of the story are funny, like born again virgin and just how stupid she sounds in general, I gotta agree with the feminists on this one.  I get that she's a hypocrite regarding the ideologies she's running on, but I can't do anything but the hate the idea that almost any normal woman who runs for office probably has shit like this in their past and it's not very fair to be slinging it at them.  If a woman wants to run for office she apparently has to wear a chastity belt and be a fucking nun while men get away with fucking their staff in office.  I might hate O'Donnell, but I'm not fool enough to think this is the kind of bullshit I want involved in politics. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 29, 2010, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 29, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
While I think certain parts of the story are funny, like born again virgin and just how stupid she sounds in general, I gotta agree with the feminists on this one.  I get that she's a hypocrite regarding the ideologies she's running on, but I can't do anything but the hate the idea that almost any normal woman who runs for office probably has shit like this in their past and it's not very fair to be slinging it at them.  If a woman wants to run for office she apparently has to wear a chastity belt and be a fucking nun while men get away with fucking their staff in office.  I might hate O'Donnell, but I'm not fool enough to think this is the kind of bullshit I want involved in politics. 

cosign. she's clearly insane and a moron -- and that should be enough for folks to bash her, not her sexual behaviors, especially in the misogynistic context they are discussed. yeah, she's a big ol' hypocrite and a hater, but you don't need to take the sex angle to ream her on this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 29, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
It's politics though. I can't stand either side stoops that low. but to be fair, if Coons had skeletons like this, she would be all over it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 29, 2010, 02:16:36 PM
Maybe.  But I think it sets a really low bar for women in politics and it's not something I want to personally further. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 29, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
I 99% agree - and this story should just die and not become an issue in the election

-but-

the hypocracy is gobsmacking and at least worth a comment. She was almost 40 and I assume far along her career as a professional finger waver.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on October 29, 2010, 03:49:21 PM
On a slightly related note, it looks like there might be a cure for you guys coming soon.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 29, 2010, 04:08:56 PM
It does make the case that conservatives are genetically deficient . :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 29, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
It's politics though. I can't stand either side stoops that low. but to be fair, if Coons had skeletons like this, she would be all over it.

Or if O'Donnell was a fundie dude no one here would have a problem with it. Especially if gay sex was involved  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2010, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 29, 2010, 02:04:03 PM
It's politics though. I can't stand either side stoops that low. but to be fair, if Coons had skeletons like this, she would be all over it.

Or if O'Donnell was a fundie dude no one here would have a problem with it. Especially if gay sex was involved  :smug

If she was a dude it would be a totally different thing- remember Scott Brown's photos?  Dudes get off easy.

I agree that the whole thing is kinda lame and it's a cheap shot, but we have to get our shots in before Tuesday when the polls close and she fades back into the anti-masturbatory woodwork.  Honestly, the whole "yes I paid my rent with campaign funds, DEAL WITH IT" story should be bigger, but this is life and life loves a good sex scandal thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 29, 2010, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Beardo on October 29, 2010, 03:49:21 PM
On a slightly related note, it looks like there might be a cure for you guys coming soon.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html (http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html)

Quote
However, the, subjects were only more likely to have leanings to the left if they were also socially active during adolescence.

[snip]

...and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence -- that is associated with being more liberal,”

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 29, 2010, 05:17:06 PM
cool dudes like people and society, news at 11
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 29, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
Yeah I think centuries of gender politics are going to win out here. Anyway what do the say? Liberals always talk about sex, conservatives actually do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 06:14:10 PM
Yea it's lame but I can't find it in me to defend O'Donnell here or just about anywhere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2010, 06:33:37 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 29, 2010, 05:17:06 PM
cool dudes like people and society, news at 11

So what you're saying is, you and your ... "friends" (?) went to Chili's every Friday, and when the bill came back you split the check evenly? That sounds like ... socialism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 29, 2010, 06:50:51 PM
"From each according to his ability, Texas Chili Cheese Fries to each according to his need"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2010, 08:28:01 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 29, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
I 99% agree - and this story should just die and not become an issue in the election

-but-

the hypocracy is gobsmacking and at least worth a comment. She was almost 40 and I assume far along her career as a professional finger waver.

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 08:34:51 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/29/tea-party-sharron-angle-nevada

"I'm trying to understand why they have 20 kids"
"they have 20 kids?"
"ok maybe I'm exaggerating. how about 15" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2010, 12:32:47 AM
Posted?

[youtube=560,345]nnUfPQVOqpw[/youtube]

(http://i.imgur.com/8u5sI.png)

:usacry :usacry :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on October 30, 2010, 08:31:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2010, 08:34:51 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/29/tea-party-sharron-angle-nevada

"I'm trying to understand why they have 20 kids"
"they have 20 kids?"
"ok maybe I'm exaggerating. how about 15" :smug

Man you left this shit out
Quote
She has told rape victims that having their baby turned "lemons into lemonade";
wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2010, 09:45:06 AM
Quote
She has told rape victims that when they got AIDS "they should turn it into LemonAIDS"
wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on October 30, 2010, 10:40:36 AM
The worst part of this Republican wave is losing Russ Feingold who is pretty much dead now (the GOP candidate has been surging there pretty consistently).  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 30, 2010, 01:57:14 PM
I dislike Sharron Angle greatly but Reid is kind of a tool.  I hope Reid makes it but with a razor thin margin to put the fear of God into him.

Quote from: Cheebs on October 30, 2010, 10:40:36 AM
The worst part of this Republican wave is losing Russ Feingold who is pretty much dead now (the GOP candidate has been surging there pretty consistently).  :-\

It is a shame but he isn't that old.  In 2016, he could probably retake his seat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2010, 02:58:25 PM
I hope Reid loses just to have Angle on CSPAN every day, and someone with balls like Durbin as the majority leader
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on October 30, 2010, 03:27:28 PM
Reid isn't winning. He is about 5% behind consistently in every poll this week. In this environment no chance he will magically come back. He is dead dead dead. Dems need to stop picking senate leaders from swing states. It always kills them. Only reason McConnel survived 08 was because he was from a solid red state. Being the party leader always hurts back home. Yet they keep picking ones from risky states. It's dumb. After Daschel they should have learned that lesson.

Durbin vs Schumer for majority minority leader.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 30, 2010, 04:42:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 30, 2010, 12:32:47 AM
Posted?

(http://i.imgur.com/8u5sI.png)

:usacry :usacry :usacry
He totally nailed with the butthurt Britfag part.
Title: Just wanted to lay down a marker
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
In b4 self-satisfied conservative posters resurface here after the midterms.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 30, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
In b4 Obamatards blaming the losses on everything except Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2010, 05:54:40 PM
In b4 Cheebs returns for election talk

oh wait
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 30, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
In b4 Obamatards blaming the losses on everything except Obama

The man is such a magical negro that all dem losses are directly in his hands. Everything bad is Obama's fault and anything good was a failure of GOP obstructionism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 11:51:45 PM
In b4 pundits all across the ideological spectrum write a variation of the same column:  "In the wake of this electoral rebuke, Obama needs to listen to the concerns and opinions of the American people, which coincidentally are all the same as my concerns and opinions!"


In all fairness, David Brooks has already written this column.  Once a fortnight for the last two years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2010, 11:56:39 PM
in b4 Obama passes regulation on the issues he campaigned on, and won on. Obama doesn't listen to the people.

oh wai.....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2010, 11:58:57 PM
I for one can't wait for the school uniforms/impeachment era of Obama's Presidency.  It's just a coin flip on if they'll impeach him for not investigating the New Black Panthers or for health care, but the fucker's getting impeached.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 31, 2010, 12:48:15 AM
In B4 "in the past seventy years, the party of the president has only not lost seats in midterm elections twice, so this is really no biggie."

Oh wait.  That won't happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 31, 2010, 12:50:18 AM
Also :lol @ mandark and PD.

It's elections like this one that make Churchill's quote such a truism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 31, 2010, 12:55:50 AM
I did enjoy watching news pundits (in America and Canada) try to seriously analyze Jon Stewart's rally today.

It was ever so clear that they just. Didnt't. Get it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2010, 01:32:42 AM
The month of "democrats were too liberal" narration is going to be unbearable. I wish I could be paid to write village hivemind articles and drink cocktails at DC parties.

Best thing about Tuesday: all the Blue Dogs who will bite the dust.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2010, 03:36:59 AM
In b4 ungovernable USA.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've been reading a lot of "once they've got a share of power they'll have to take responsibility".  But the last Republican Congress with a Democratic President gave us a government shutdown and an impeachment.  This is just gonna be turrible.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on October 31, 2010, 07:40:55 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/30/world/asia/30japan.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&partner=rss&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/30/world/asia/30japan.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&partner=rss&emc=rss)

Quote from: NYTimes
However, some warn that the United States could still get it wrong, especially if the midterm elections produced a sharply divided political landscape.

“The danger is if the U.S. plunges into policy paralysis just like Japan in the 1990s,” said Shumpei Takemori, an economist at Keio University in Tokyo. “Ideological divides and political divides can make bold policy action impossible.”

....

Leading Japanese economists also said their nation’s many failures — like the 1997 tax increase — yielded one crucial lesson on combating the aftereffects of a financial panic: the need to avoid policy flip-flops.

“The lesson is that there is a proper sequence for pulling a nation out of a financial crisis,” said Heizo Takenaka, an economist who was the architect of the successful cleanup of Japan’s banking system in the early 2000s. “First, you restore growth before worrying about deficits.”

Well, we had a good run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2010, 07:57:09 AM
I don't know what the 2010 era Republicans could bring to the table.

The teabagger movement is such that anyone who assists a Democrat will have to face a tough primary battle when it comes time for re-election.  Obama has already attempted to work with the right only to get shut down time and again.  If a GOP politician risks getting thrown out for compromising, then they probably won't work with Obama under any circumstances.

I think it will just be a cavalcade of nuttery.  The economy might start growing on its own but only because of a momentum that was established this year.  I think there will be a lot of inane investigations like wondering how much of a tab Obama ran up on the last vacation he took or the New Black Panther Party.

Hopefully it will be a Clinton thing and the economic growth will be attributed to Obama rather than teabaggers like Sharron Angle.  That way the far right loon fringe like Palin won't have a chance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2010, 08:53:51 AM
Also, about 215,000 people showed up to the Colbert/Stewart rally vs. 87,000 for Glenn Beck's August rally:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021284-503544.html?tag=stack
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2010, 01:04:54 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-100-best-signs-at-the-rally-to-restore-sanity

100 signs from the rally :lol

For Demi

(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/30/17/enhanced-buzz-3278-1288475731-12.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 31, 2010, 01:19:07 PM
:bow(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/30/14/enhanced-buzz-3272-1288462680-3.jpg):bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/30/16/enhanced-buzz-3121-1288469417-4.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 31, 2010, 05:45:33 PM
Edit: nevermind I'm an idiot that's what I get for not reading the last posts on the previous page.
Title: Everybody, the Dean!
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2010, 11:17:05 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102905810.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Quote from: David Broder
Look back at FDR and the Great Depression. What finally resolved that economic crisis? World War II.

Here is where Obama is likely to prevail. With strong Republican support in Congress for challenging Iran's ambition to become a nuclear power, he can spend much of 2011 and 2012 orchestrating a showdown with the mullahs. This will help him politically because the opposition party will be urging him on. And as tensions rise and we accelerate preparations for war, the economy will improve.

I am not suggesting, of course, that the president incite a war to get reelected. But the nation will rally around Obama because Iran is the greatest threat to the world in the young century. If he can confront this threat and contain Iran's nuclear ambitions, he will have made the world safer and may be regarded as one of the most successful presidents in history.

What is this I don't even
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 01:40:14 AM
That's pretty brilliant, why haven't we tried that before?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2010, 01:47:32 AM
Pretty standard Conventional Serious Washington Groupthink there- everything will be better if we punch the dirty hippies, do what the Republicans want and above all else, NEVER EVER EVER try to learn anything from what happened before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 01:55:23 AM
Lets start a war in the middle east to fix the economy and (more importantly) create bipartisanship.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 01, 2010, 02:38:54 AM
You can't make an omelette (bipartisanship) without breaking a few eggs (other countries)
Title: Re: Everybody, the Dean!
Post by: Oblivion on November 01, 2010, 05:06:20 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 31, 2010, 11:17:05 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/29/AR2010102905810.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Quote from: David Broder
Look back at FDR and the Great Depression. What finally resolved that economic crisis? World War II.

Here is where Obama is likely to prevail. With strong Republican support in Congress for challenging Iran's ambition to become a nuclear power, he can spend much of 2011 and 2012 orchestrating a showdown with the mullahs. This will help him politically because the opposition party will be urging him on. And as tensions rise and we accelerate preparations for war, the economy will improve.

I am not suggesting, of course, that the president incite a war to get reelected. But the nation will rally around Obama because Iran is the greatest threat to the world in the young century. If he can confront this threat and contain Iran's nuclear ambitions, he will have made the world safer and may be regarded as one of the most successful presidents in history.

What is this I don't even

I knew David Broder was annoying, but I didn't think he was an outright distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. This goes into complete teabagger territory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 01, 2010, 02:38:54 AM
You can't make an omelette (bipartisanship) without breaking a few eggs (other countries)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 01, 2010, 12:41:14 PM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1162/5134553954_247f878f5e.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 01, 2010, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 28, 2010, 08:43:29 PM
Quote
When her underwear came off, I immediately noticed that the waxing trend had completely passed her by.

:fbm

:drool :drool :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
tiesto... no :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2010, 01:52:01 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/44449;_ylt=AttZ.s.SC_otIOb4WSrR1tCs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNibmJtdnBoBGFzc2V0A3BvbGl0aWNvLzIwMTAxMTAxLzQ0NDQ5BGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDbmV4dGZvcmdvcGxl
Quote
Top Republicans in Washington and in the national GOP establishment say the 2010 campaign highlighted an urgent task that they will begin in earnest as soon as the elections are over: Stop Sarah Palin.
Interviews with advisers to the main 2012 presidential contenders and with other veteran Republican operatives make clear they see themselves on a common, if uncoordinated, mission of halting the momentum and credibility Palin gained with conservative activists by plunging so aggressively into this year’s midterm campaigns. (See: Sarah Palin wreaking havoc on campaign trail)
There is rising expectation among GOP elites that Palin will probably run for president in 2012 and could win the Republican nomination, a prospect many of them regard as a disaster in waiting.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 01, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
If Republicans think they can win with Sarah Palin, they'll nominate her- it doesn't matter how distinguished mentally-challenged they think she is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2010, 05:09:49 PM
So what Senate seats do you guys see Dems losing?  Nevada, Wisconsin, Colorado, Pennsylvania and maybe 1 or 2 more?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 01, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
Sadly, all the ones you listed, plus Florida. I really wish Meek would drop out. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 01, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
So, what's the word out on the street? Dems losing the house, losing seats in Senate but still have enough for a majority? What is the effect of not having the House?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2010, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 01, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
Sadly, all the ones you listed, plus Florida. I really wish Meek would drop out. :(

:wag Florida was controlled by a Republican to begin with!  It's Mel Martinez's old seat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2010, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 01, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
So, what's the word out on the street? Dems losing the house, losing seats in Senate but still have enough for a majority? What is the effect of not having the House?

That's the conventional wisdom.  What it means is that Obama won't be able to do anything except cut taxes, and even that probably won't pass since he won't be cutting them enough/for the right people... you know, the rich.

Also, he's going to get impeached.  For something.  I'm not even kidding.  That will happen, I guarantee it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 01, 2010, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 01, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
So, what's the word out on the street? Dems losing the house, losing seats in Senate but still have enough for a majority? What is the effect of not having the House?

A Tea Party served up with mmm, Peach Mint Tea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 01, 2010, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 01, 2010, 06:55:23 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 01, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
Sadly, all the ones you listed, plus Florida. I really wish Meek would drop out. :(

:wag Florida was controlled by a Republican to begin with!  It's Mel Martinez's old seat.

Whoops! Wasn't even thinking of the right race. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2010, 07:35:51 PM
Also, completely forgot:  dems could lose Obama's old seat in Illinois pretty easily.  That's how fucking shitty this is.  The real hilarity is that the differences in voting between allegedly moderate Mark Kirk in Illinois and obviously insane Rand Paul in Kentucky will be minimal but ye olde conventional wisdom will paint Kirk as a reasonable Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
I totally forgot that after tuesday we won't have Blanche Lincoln to kick around anymore. Finally some good news
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2010, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 08:49:35 PM
I totally forgot that after tuesday we won't have Blanche Lincoln to kick around anymore. Finally some good news

Yeah, me too.  That plus Dorgan's ND seat means really bad news tomorrow I'm afraid.  That's ok, America should get the govt. it deserves, and it should get it good and hard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2010, 11:24:41 PM
Thank you America. Here's your Sharon Angle sammich, enjoy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2010, 12:09:53 AM
I can't wait for tomorrow.

:bow not voting :bow2
:bow our new GOP overlords :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 12:14:57 AM
I for one can't wait to see what Senators Angle, Rubio and Paul will do for America.  The only downside is that there likely won't be a Senator O'donnell to join them, but I have high hopes for Senator Miller from Alaska.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 02, 2010, 12:35:02 AM
guys does your world really change that much if a bunch of republicans gets voted in?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 12:41:06 AM
if tim eyman's i-1053 in washington passes, we turn into fucking california
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 12:56:40 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 12:41:06 AM
if tim eyman's i-1053 in washington passes, we turn into fucking california

What does it do? Mandatory abortions for everyone? Or is it something bad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 02, 2010, 01:11:16 AM
Quote from: tiesto on November 01, 2010, 06:47:54 PM
So, what's the word out on the street? Dems losing the house, losing seats in Senate but still have enough for a majority? What is the effect of not having the House?
Best case scenario with losing the House is that republicans will have enough responsibility in the government that they'll realize they can't keep on obstructing everything.  Worst case is that they'll see that their batshit base approves and justifies just about anything so they'll keep on doing what they're doing now, and maybe even impeach Obama even though he would never be convicted.  IIRC, Clinton's popularity actually increased with his impeachment so maybe the same effect will happen with Obama where people sympathize with the relatively innocent defendant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 01:19:53 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 12:56:40 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 12:41:06 AM
if tim eyman's i-1053 in washington passes, we turn into fucking california

What does it do? Mandatory abortions for everyone? Or is it something bad?

requires a 2/3rds state congressional majority to pass any tax increases
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2010, 01:20:04 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 12:41:06 AM
if tim eyman's i-1053 in washington passes, we turn into fucking california

need supermajority and/or ballot inititiave for any and all "tax increase" (including closing loopholes)

yup, yer fucked.

any talk of telling eastern washington to gtfo - or would numbers not even matter without them?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 02, 2010, 02:08:46 AM
in missouri we're going to get wonderful prop. passed that will LET VOTERS DECIDE every five years if they want to end our income tax in st louis & k.c., which will destroy our bond rating immediately, and will eliminate ONE THIRD of our city revenue when the tax is inevitably repealed.  good jon hillbillies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 03:02:44 AM
well, i-1053, like i-960 before it, is unconstitutional (well, by the wa state constitution), which says that no legislation or legislative action may require more than a simple majority vote. the state suspended i-960; i-1053 reinstates it. ironically, i-1053 does not require a supermajority to pass. unfortunately, populist dumbassery is sure to make it pass. i am sure we will appreciate that california style gridlock!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2010, 04:44:42 AM
Maybe you can pay some "Beaver" US-Canadian people trafficers to get you across to the border into a better life in British Columbia
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 02, 2010, 09:19:01 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on November 02, 2010, 12:35:02 AM
guys does your world really change that much if a bunch of republicans gets voted in?

No, because I'm white. :smug

Hopefully the blacks and arabs will still get their hour of daily internet access from the internment camps.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: treythemovie on November 02, 2010, 09:29:07 AM
I absentee voted ages ago and yet Obama keeps txting me to remind me to vote.* You'd think the guy would have a country to run or something.  ::)

*And he's even telling me to vote in the wrong state!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 10:18:18 AM
Just voted. Republican for governor, democrat for congress. I was tempted to vote straight line democrat but the state democratic party has been running my state so badly and the republican is pretty moderate.  I couldn't just be a rubber stamp vote this time. I believe my partner in crime PD is doing the same.

Yeah, Obama keeps texting me too. I keep getting texts from the white house in the middle of the night and it wakes me up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 02, 2010, 10:31:23 AM
(http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/12644/slide_12644_169830_large.jpg?1288708232154)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 10:18:18 AM
Just voted. Republican for governor, democrat for congress. I was tempted to vote straight line democrat but the state democratic party has been running my state so badly and the republican is pretty moderate.  I couldn't just be a rubber stamp vote this time. I believe my partner in crime PD is doing the same.

Yeah, Obama keeps texting me too. I keep getting texts from the white house in the middle of the night and it wakes me up.

I'm voting for Synder, fuck it. Doing my research now to see if I have any blue dogs on my ballot
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 02, 2010, 11:32:18 AM
lol voting republican.  have fun when yr "moderate" falls in line with the crazy to keep his numbers up.

i fucked myself out of voting because my address on my i.d. doesn't match the one on the voter registration and i kept putting off getting it changed.  sucks, but missouri is fucked big-time anyway.  only six more months before i can jump ship on this hillbilly hellhole...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 10:18:18 AM
Just voted. Republican for governor, democrat for congress. I was tempted to vote straight line democrat but the state democratic party has been running my state so badly and the republican is pretty moderate.  I couldn't just be a rubber stamp vote this time. I believe my partner in crime PD is doing the same.

Yeah, Obama keeps texting me too. I keep getting texts from the white house in the middle of the night and it wakes me up.

I'm voting for Synder, fuck it. Doing my research now to see if I have any blue dogs on my ballot
your congressman is as liberal as they come.

Yep Synder for me too. You know we are in for a landslide when like all of the houses I drive by in ypsi have a RICK MICHIGAN sign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
Hmm some quick research finds Synder wants a 6 billion tax cut? That's only going to fuck us more smh

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 11:47:51 AM
It's too late. It's already happening. He is like 30-40% ahead in the polls. He'll even win the ann arbor/ypsi area.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 12:02:04 PM
Cutting the Michigan Business Tax will cut education by almost a billion dollars :violin

and he wants to repeal health care? Nah
http://www.freep.com/article/20101010/NEWS15/10100444/Virg-Bernero-and-Rick-Snyder-Where-they-stand
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 12:09:16 PM
Get used to it buddy boy. Synder is already our governor basically. The GOP is going to sweep basically every single position in state government today. The state Democratic party here is effectively dead for now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
I'm gonna vote for Dingell but jeez, he probably shouldn't be running. At his age he should be at home enjoying his last few years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 02, 2010, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
I'm gonna vote for Dingell but jeez, he probably shouldn't be running. At his age he should be at home enjoying his last few years
He was part of the same freshman house class with John F. Kennedy back in the 50's. He is oddly facing the first decently close election he has had since forever. That GOP wave even started to nip at his heels. He had to have Bill Clinton come in and do a rally for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 02:06:35 PM
I mailed my ballot in last week. Straight democratic/liberal voting like usual, but I did vote against 1098, which would enact a state income tax for individuals making over $200,000 a year and for couples that make more than $400,000 a year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 02:11:42 PM
Just got back from voting (Michigan). Voted for Bernero for governor, even though he has no shot at winning.

Not many people at the polling place. I remember going in 2008 around the same time and the polls weren't full at all either. Only time I've seen a full, long line was in 2006 but I'm guessing it's because I voted around 6pm that year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 02, 2010, 03:12:16 PM
I voted for a bunch of long shots as well.

Not a big deal to me.  If there wasn't early voting where I could vote at my convenience, I probably would have never bothered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 03:48:31 PM
THE OLDS ARE OUT EN MASSE

takin' their country back from da kidz!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
I was so torn on 1098. I have no problem with taxation, but knowing our legislators here in Washington, they'll have everyone paying an income tax on top of a 10% sales tax in two years if it passes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 02, 2010, 03:55:10 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 02, 2010, 01:19:53 AM
requires a 2/3rds state congressional majority to pass any tax increases


Here in Montgomery County we've had an initiative like that on the ballot every two years thanks to a local crank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Ficker), and it actually passed last time.

Now raising property taxes requires a unanimous (!!!) vote, and I suspect that's behind the current push to start charging ambulance fees, which itself has spawned a ballot initiative and a really bitter fight to go with it.

Functioning government is hard enough without putting up more obstacles, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 02, 2010, 06:47:31 PM
TIME FOR NEW REPUBLICAN CARTOONS

(http://imgur.com/dsO2U.jpg)

How will these cartoonists react if the Democrats win or still have an adequate amount of seats?

(http://imgur.com/YLToB.jpg) <--- liberals
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2010, 08:05:34 PM
Rubio won with 50%, guess it didn't matter that the other vote was split.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2010, 08:22:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 02, 2010, 08:05:34 PM
Rubio won with 50%, guess it didn't matter that the other vote was split.

Yeah unfortunately it was obvious this was going to happen. Meeks should have dropped out and the Dems should have supported Crist a long time ago. But Dems are stupid. Rubio winning so easily probably also dragged down other dems in the other elections in the state.

I voted for Meeks anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on November 02, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
What's up mother fuckers? First round is on me!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_exQ3S7KVDWA/TCy_QdzeGhI/AAAAAAAAC_g/EBi3cj9q2uk/s1600/slurpee.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 02, 2010, 08:57:46 PM
I remember there was some topic on GAF in which the OP wondered whether political fandom exists for people who don't get their fill of fandom from sports alone.

Exhibit A: siamesedreamer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 09:00:36 PM
Yes sd, let's by all means celebrate the provably insane being elected.  Good call.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on November 02, 2010, 09:20:49 PM
Political fandom? Didn't even vote today.  :lol

Actually somewhat disappointed Grayson lost. Dude was seemingly the only one with the balls to take on the banks/Fed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
sd- do you support the impending impeachment of the President?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 09:39:16 PM
Yup, CNN projecting the GOP will take the House.

Also, they've won 3 Senate seats now- IN, AR, and now ND.  Dems are up in Pennsylvania and Illinois but it's early and those leads are eroding.  My guess is they'll lose those seats as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 09:48:29 PM
Yay. Nothing will get done.

There's something wrong with our political system when the head of Republican party says that their number one goal is to make sure Obama isn't re-elected. Shouldn't your number one goal be working for the people? SMH x infinite.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 09:53:00 PM
Canada, man. Canada. They don't decapitate you up there, plus you can get gay married, smoke pot and eat all the codeine covered Tylenol you want.
Title: Re: Just wanted to lay down a marker
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 02, 2010, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
In b4 self-satisfied conservative posters resurface here after the midterms.

Quote from: siamesedreamer on November 02, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
What's up mother fuckers? First round is on me!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_exQ3S7KVDWA/TCy_QdzeGhI/AAAAAAAAC_g/EBi3cj9q2uk/s1600/slurpee.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
The worst part of all this is that the Republicans have generally polled LOWER than the democrats, and yet for some warped reason are STILL gonna get rewarded. Fuck this country. Hopefully global warming will accelerate enough that living in Canada would be bearable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 09:55:13 PM
Phoenix Dark Wrote this some other place but was so darn funny... I had to post it somewhere I was not banned so i could reply.

Quote
Nancy Pelosi fought the good fight as speaker, and will go down in history as one of the most effective house leaders. I always liked her, but my appreciation for her skyrocketed during the health care fight. Amazing woman.

The same amazing woman that called raids by ICE, which is following laws established by Congress, "un-American."

 :D 

So young, yet easily entranced by the succubus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 02, 2010, 09:55:30 PM
Mexico. really.  You border two countries and you choose Mexico.  Smh.

Also:  gtfo, SD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Hopefully global warming will accelerate enough that living in Canada would be bearable.

With Republicans in control? No problem!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 09:56:45 PM
I take it the new people/lurkers in the thread got banned at GAF or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Hopefully global warming will accelerate enough that living in Canada would be bearable.

With Republicans in control? No problem!

Ah yes, the old Liberal, do as I say no as I do mantra. Point finger at enemy and back away.

http://www.filtersfast.com/blog/index.php/2010/11/congress-spends-200000-on-bottled-water/



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 02, 2010, 10:02:53 PM
owned!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:04:13 PM
Ah, bottled water in Washington. Good thing we've elected a bunch of tea party people to make sure that never happens again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 09:56:45 PM
I take it the new people/lurkers in the thread got banned at GAF or something.

People get banned at GAF? Why they seem like a fair and balanced moderating team.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:04:13 PM
Ah, bottled water in Washington. Good thing we've elected a bunch of tea party people to make sure that never happens again.



They are not the ones crying the environmental wolf. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 10:09:02 PM
Sestak just miiiiiiight be able to pull out a squeaker in PA- he's still over 54% (about 100k votes) with 64% of the vote in.

Illinois is a lost cause- dude is already under 50% with 54% of the vote in.  Lead of just about 84k votes.  I bet he ends up losing by about 25k votes, maybe more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:09:27 PM
Right. It's simply not possible that, I don't know, there are recycle bins in the vicinity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 02, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
It's especially bad considering it is impossible to recycle plastic.

Everyone should click the link btw, it is very helpful

Quote
Millions of dollars have gone toward funding for Nancy Pelosi’s office, printing “important” documents like the new Obamacare health care plan, student loan repayments (a benefit of working for the government), pension costs for retired congressional members, office supplies, electricity, food and tap water.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 10:13:03 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:09:27 PM
Right. It's simply not possible that, I don't know, there are recycle bins in the vicinity.


Sure we would hate to lose a "green job" in this economy. Kudos. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 10:14:56 PM
Jesus Christ, as soon as I type that Sestak is down to not even up 70k votes with 69% in.  Maybe Bennett can hold on in Colorado?  Looking shitty now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 10:16:37 PM
So, seems Vitter won. What does it fucking take?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 02, 2010, 10:09:29 PM
It's especially bad considering it is impossible to recycle plastic.

Everyone should click the link btw, it is very helpful

Quote
Millions of dollars have gone toward funding for Nancy Pelosi’s office, printing “important” documents like the new Obamacare health care plan, student loan repayments (a benefit of working for the government), pension costs for retired congressional members, office supplies, electricity, food and tap water.

It also links to

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=219353

Here is one for my buddy Phoenix.

Since Democrat Nancy Pelosi took over the position of Speaker of the House in January 2007, funding for her office soared 62 percent, from $2.9 million to $4.7 million. For a single office?!

ooops not a liberal friendly site so it is all bunk. I know, I know bad conservative poster.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: siamesedreamer on November 02, 2010, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 02, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
sd- do you support the impending impeachment of the President?

Over what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 10:19:14 PM
Quote from: siamesedreamer on November 02, 2010, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 02, 2010, 09:21:36 PM
sd- do you support the impending impeachment of the President?

Over what?

Doesn't matter... birth certificate, failure to investigate New Black Panther Party voter intimidation, governing while black, "Obamacare"... they'll think of something.  And impeach him over it.  Guaranteed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 10:19:39 PM
bdoughty, why have you never posted in this thread before today? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:19:45 PM
Being Kenyan, obviously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:20:53 PM
I'm not saying I like Democrats, I just like the Republicans less. Don't trust them in the least.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Still a registered Republican, the last guy I pulled the lever for was W.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:21:40 PM
Obama treats objects like women, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:21:40 PM
Obama treats objects like women, man.

This aggression will not stand, man.
Title: Re: Just wanted to lay down a marker
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 02, 2010, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 02, 2010, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
In b4 self-satisfied conservative posters resurface here after the midterms.

Quote from: siamesedreamer on November 02, 2010, 08:36:34 PM
What's up mother fuckers? First round is on me!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_exQ3S7KVDWA/TCy_QdzeGhI/AAAAAAAAC_g/EBi3cj9q2uk/s1600/slurpee.jpg)

Quote from: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Quote from: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Hopefully global warming will accelerate enough that living in Canada would be bearable.

With Republicans in control? No problem!

Ah yes, the old Liberal, do as I say no as I do mantra. Point finger at enemy and back away.

http://www.filtersfast.com/blog/index.php/2010/11/congress-spends-200000-on-bottled-water/




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 10:27:59 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 10:19:39 PM
bdoughty, why have you never posted in this thread before today? :smug

To be perfectly honest, I have not posted anywhere (except for one site where I have a few close friends) in quite a while. [Insert Sad Story]  I spent Christmas on a ventilator, roughly 7-10 days allowing me to live long enough to find out a I have one of those really rare diseases - Wegener's granulomatosis. [done with sad story]


I was skimming GAF and saw PD post and just felt the need to reply. I have always liked PD and just wanted to raz him a little.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on November 02, 2010, 10:29:44 PM
I saw that episode of House. Glad you made it.

You're still backing some nutjobs, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
I seem to recall that episode of House (I think there have been a couple)  where they were diagnosed with Wegeners but ended being something else.  In fact I think one was the black politician (how ironic).

Anyway I am not a Tea Party guy or a hard line conservative.  I just side with more things on that side of the political line.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
It is what it is.

Obviously I'm liberal but some nights the other side has a good night. I won't lose any sleep over it despite thinking all these tea party people are just awful at worst and hypocrites at best.

The older you get the more philosophical you get about the whole thing. (although I get annoyed by people who get dispirited and just lapse into not caring)

It's a revolving circle. You just try to make it revolve back to the philosophies and viewpoints you agree with most.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Yeah, I see it a lot like you, Stoney.

It also helps that I live in the liberal bastion known as Seattle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2010, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2010, 10:42:04 PM
Yeah, I see it a lot like you, Stoney.

It also helps that I live in the liberal bastion known as Seattle.

Yeah when I lived in Cali, I really didn't care at all. Because its like the mecca of liberal. All those Sarah Palin types have no real pull and influence out there. So whatever they say and do it doesn't really effect the culture. It's a bit more discouraging now that I live down South where those viewpoints are a lot more common but what are you gonna do...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 10:54:02 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 02, 2010, 09:55:13 PM
Phoenix Dark Wrote this some other place but was so darn funny... I had to post it somewhere I was not banned so i could reply.

Quote
Nancy Pelosi fought the good fight as speaker, and will go down in history as one of the most effective house leaders. I always liked her, but my appreciation for her skyrocketed during the health care fight. Amazing woman.

The same amazing woman that called raids by ICE, which is following laws established by Congress, "un-American."

 :D 

So young, yet easily entranced by the succubus.


Welcome back. I stand by what I said old man

Pelosi :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 11:01:06 PM
I will say it'll be interesting to live in a world where biologists have degrees in creationism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 02, 2010, 11:01:58 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
It is what it is.

Obviously I'm liberal but some nights the other side has a good night. I won't lose any sleep over it despite thinking all these tea party people are just awful at worst and hypocrites at best.

The older you get the more philosophical you get about the whole thing. (although I get annoyed by people who get dispirited and just lapse into not caring)

It's a revolving circle. You just try to make it revolve back to the philosophies and viewpoints you agree with most.



Good way of looking at things, Stoney. I'm just glad that Bishop is on track to defeat Altschuler in my district... and my picks for governor and both senators won. Surprised to see that Carolyn McCarthy in my gf's district is behind in the polls right now, I thought she'd be on track to win. Oh well...

So now it's time to see what happens when the looneys run the show in the House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on November 02, 2010, 11:11:00 PM
everyone I work with was voting vitter and it's making me apathetic to the whole shebang.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2010, 11:16:00 PM
Feingold

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 11:20:50 PM
Wooo! Brown and Boxer both won! FUCK YEAH!

:rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 11:32:52 PM
Definitely sucks seeing Russ Feingold and Tom Perriello go down. Not gonna cry over Alan Grayson though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2010, 11:34:57 PM
FUCK FUCK FUCK

It's not official. Fiorina is leading by 3 points. (only 9% of the votes tho, but STILL!)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 02, 2010, 11:37:24 PM
Pelosi gone at last.   :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2010, 11:41:54 PM
I can't believe dems lost Obama's Ill seat  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2010, 11:51:45 PM
Yup, gonna lose Illinois and Pennsylvania.  Sucks.  Bennet still holding on in Colorado, don't know if the crazy part of the state (Colorado Springs) has reported yet tho.  Hopefully Murray and Bennet can win; and even if Reid manages to win I hope he loses his Leadership gig.  Actually, probably wouldn't mind new Leadership in both houses for the Dems.  Get that Rent Is Too Damn High guy a seat and make him minority leader.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 03, 2010, 12:04:31 AM
The David Broder thing scares the shit out of me. Maybe not that exact scenario, but I was already afraid that if the slump continues, (and it will,) the only acceptable way "out" of it will be into some bullshit foreign mass murder excursion. Maybe after the Presidency gets flipped in '12, or hell maybe they will manage to drag Obama into it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 12:07:30 AM
Got back from the Wizards game.  Someone be so good as to summarize the damage for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 12:08:39 AM
Strickland lost.

yea...Obama is fucked
Title: Re: Just wanted to lay down a marker
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 12:14:28 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2010, 05:07:41 PM
In b4 self-satisfied conservative posters resurface here after the midterms.

Oh shit I'm psychic or other people are predictable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 12:15:01 AM
...aaaand Bennet is down to a 6,000 vote lead now.  He's fucked.

Mandark- Dems lost the House.  We lost AR, IN, ND, and WI for sure in the Senate; we're in the process of losing PA, IL and now probably CO and who knows, maybe WA and NV too.

bdoughty and siamesedreamer showed up to gloat.  Their posts were predictable and boring.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 03, 2010, 12:29:25 AM
*sigh*

Fucking himuro...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 12:38:39 AM
Looks like one of Dan Quayle's kids has won a seat in the House.

Prop 19 appears to be going down.  What about the Washington state tax measure, Van Cruncheon?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 12:41:27 AM
Prop 19 down 55/45
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 12:53:09 AM
Prop 25, which would allow the CA legislature to pass budgets without needing a supermajority, looks like it's ahead.  Good on the Cali voters if it passes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 12:57:45 AM
It's going to be a miserable 2 years, but I think Obama at least is going to be in decent shape for 2012. Dems might make modest gains too. Voters just had their chance to vent their incoherent rage - I dunno just navel gazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 12:58:58 AM
Reid declared the winner in Nevada; Bennet now down 30k votes in Colorado.  That one's done, too.

Lost AR, IN, ND, WI, IL, PA and now losing CO.  Ouch.  Also lost at least 55 House seats so far.

Can't wait to hear about how we're a center-right nation tomorrow and for the next 2 years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 01:00:00 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 03, 2010, 12:29:25 AM
*sigh*

Fucking himuro...

You really think I'd have the ability to stop the Florida voting public?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 03, 2010, 01:00:16 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2010, 10:38:09 PM
It is what it is.

Obviously I'm liberal but some nights the other side has a good night. I won't lose any sleep over it despite thinking all these tea party people are just awful at worst and hypocrites at best.

The older you get the more philosophical you get about the whole thing. (although I get annoyed by people who get dispirited and just lapse into not caring)

It's a revolving circle. You just try to make it revolve back to the philosophies and viewpoints you agree with most.


Shut up with your pragmatism! It's clear you guys need a revolution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:01:42 AM
mattyglesias
Ken Salazar's doing invaluable work as Interior Secretary, right? Irreplaceable? Just had to jeopardize that Senate seat?
http://twitter.com/#!/mattyglesias/status/29542150970
this

Absolutely idiotic favor promotion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 01:09:11 AM
Fuck Dino Rossi. Dude comes off as a total sleavy used car salesman. Seriously, you've run three times and it looks like you're going to lose for a third consecutive time. Three strikes and you're out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 03, 2010, 01:10:11 AM
California's results aren't surprising except that I did actually think prop 19 (legalizing weed) would pass.  Pretty huge turnout at my polling station today though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 01:14:28 AM
(http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 01:18:47 AM
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/ballot.measures/

arizona is against affirmative action but approved RIGHT TO HUNT amendment :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 01:20:10 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 01:14:28 AM
(http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/052/812/original/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif?1275684729)

We'll all be dealing with it for quite a while; we'll be dealing with it when we can't use the government to end this recession; we'll be dealing with it when we can't use the government to deal with global warming, which I am sad to report does in fact exist; we'll be dealing with it when the mouthbreathers in your party impeach the President for God knows whatever reason they can dream up.

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

America, prepare to get it good and hard.  Then break out the Brawndo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:20:56 AM
Mitch Daniels 2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 01:21:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:20:56 AM
Mitch Daniels 2012

There's no way he can win the nomination.  Or Romney, which is what you typed first.  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 01:24:45 AM
I love how the election in 2006 was super Kewl. But now that your guys aren't in power, It's such a tragedy that congress cant work together. Well guess what, Congress was doing a shitty job when you had complete control.

So just in case you missed it the first time.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 01:24:51 AM
NBC is reporting that 30,000 votes for Bennet were accidentally placed in the column for Buck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 01:25:31 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 01:24:45 AM
I love how the election in 2006 was super Kewl. But now that your guys aren't in power, It's such a tragedy that congress cant work together. Well guess what, Congress was doing a shitty job when you had complete control.



Yeppp.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:26:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 01:24:51 AM
NBC is reporting that 30,000 votes for Bennet were accidentally placed in the column for Buck.

That race could decide whether dems can get filibuster reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 03, 2010, 12:38:39 AM
Looks like one of Dan Quayle's kids has won a seat in the House.

Prop 19 appears to be going down.  What about the Washington state tax measure, Van Cruncheon?

oh, we're quite fucked on 1053. it had been polling crazy popular up until now. the good news is that it, like i-960 that preceded it, will be suspended as (state) unconstitutional at some point, because JESUS CHRIST YOU IDIOTS the government needs to be able to raise taxes. thankfully, the state's constitution writers had the foresight to note that ALL acts of state congress can only require a statistical majority (51%) and NOT a supermajority, so tim eyman's dumbass shit flies right in its face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 03, 2010, 01:40:46 AM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/senate-races-2010/1110/Frank_Luntzs_tip_sheet.html

Quote
Kentucky – Republican Rand Paul wins the Senate race.
Florida – Republican Marco Rubio wins the Senate seat by a landslide.
West Virginia – Democratic Gov. Joe Manchin wins the Senate race.
Connecticut – Democrat Richard Blumenthal wins the Senate race.
Illinois – Republican Mark Kirk wins his bid for Senate.
Missouri – Republican Roy Blunt wins the Senate seat.
Pennsylvania – Republican Pat Toomey wins the Senate seat.
Colorado – Too close to call.
Wisconsin – Close, but Republican Ron Johnson wins the Senate seat.
California – Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer wins reelection, former Gov. Jerry Brown wins the governorship
Washington – Democratic Sen. Patty Murray wins reelection.
Ohio – Close, but Republican John Kasich wins the governorship.
Nevada – Sen. Harry Reid wins reelection.
Michigan – Republican Rick Snyder wins the governorship.


:bow :bow Frank Luntz

:piss Nate Silver
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:46:18 AM
Quote
So far, the FiveThirtyEight House forecasting model has performed well. Of the 339 House races which have been called so far by The New York Times, our model picked the right winner in 332.

Silver>*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 01:47:27 AM
Don't worry guys, this crop of Republicans is a lot more moderate, realistic, and willing to compromise than the ones in the past.  Perennially battered wife David Brooks (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/02/opinion/02brooks.html?ref=davidbrooks) told me so!



PS Frank Luntz is more of a puzzling object of unrequited bromance than Newt Gingrich.  It's like if someone got a hard-on for Mark Penn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:53:30 AM
[youtube=560,345]SHv-EII7KYQ[/youtube]

holy shit, the announcers respond like parents who stumbled across an NWA album
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 03, 2010, 01:57:43 AM
This election was merely a numbers game. u6 of 17 percent and a large amount of open seats that favored Republicans.

So, instead of what would have been a 10-30 seat swing (in a normal mid-term election) turned into double that because of the economy.

Nothing to learn and no real big overarching theme here. Although, the media will spend days reading the tea leaves to figure it out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 01:57:44 AM
what's with the baseball bat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 02:08:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:53:30 AM
[youtube=560,345]SHv-EII7KYQ[/youtube]

holy shit, the announcers respond like parents who stumbled across an NWA album

(http://i.imgur.com/PwD76.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on November 03, 2010, 02:14:23 AM
I don't understand how marajuana can lose.

Older people support it because they were hippies and smoked a lot as teens.
Younger people support it because everyone smokes and it's no big deal.

It's so weird.  It's like if there was a proposition for "free ice cream" and half the people vote it down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 02:16:31 AM
blame DARE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 02:39:57 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 03, 2010, 12:38:39 AM
Looks like one of Dan Quayle's kids has won a seat in the House.

Prop 19 appears to be going down.  What about the Washington state tax measure, Van Cruncheon?

oh, we're quite fucked on 1053. it had been polling crazy popular up until now. the good news is that it, like i-960 that preceded it, will be suspended as (state) unconstitutional at some point, because JESUS CHRIST YOU IDIOTS the government needs to be able to raise taxes. thankfully, the state's constitution writers had the foresight to note that ALL acts of state congress can only require a statistical majority (51%) and NOT a supermajority, so tim eyman's dumbass shit flies right in its face.

I'm telling ya man, you and I need to pound the pavement and get the signatures for an initiative to kick that douchebags ass out of the state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 02:46:32 AM
Seems like the entire country failed econ 101. Tax cuts increase the deficit if they aren't offset somewhere else. In Michigan, our deficit could grow by 1.5b if Snyder gets his way by eliminating the Michigan Business Tax - and why won't he given the entire fucking state just went red. Holy shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 02:50:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 02:39:57 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 03, 2010, 12:38:39 AM
Looks like one of Dan Quayle's kids has won a seat in the House.

Prop 19 appears to be going down.  What about the Washington state tax measure, Van Cruncheon?

oh, we're quite fucked on 1053. it had been polling crazy popular up until now. the good news is that it, like i-960 that preceded it, will be suspended as (state) unconstitutional at some point, because JESUS CHRIST YOU IDIOTS the government needs to be able to raise taxes. thankfully, the state's constitution writers had the foresight to note that ALL acts of state congress can only require a statistical majority (51%) and NOT a supermajority, so tim eyman's dumbass shit flies right in its face.

I'm telling ya man, you and I need to pound the pavement and get the signatures for an initiative to kick that douchebags ass out of the state.

or we just organize a roadtrip to spokane and dickpunch him in a kroger's parking lot

either/or, really
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 03, 2010, 02:56:47 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 02:46:32 AM
Seems like the entire country failed econ 101. Tax cuts increase the deficit if they aren't offset somewhere else. In Michigan, our deficit could grow by 1.5b if Snyder gets his way by eliminating the Michigan Business Tax - and why won't he given the entire fucking state just went red. Holy shit.
If you tax people less, then they'll have more money to spend and then you'll be saved :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 03:02:30 AM
Just read somewhere that Texas Republicans don't need a single Democratic vote to pass state constitutional ammendments

:rofl :rofl  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 03, 2010, 03:05:06 AM
Quote from: Bebpo on November 03, 2010, 02:14:23 AM
I don't understand how marajuana can lose.

Older people support it because they were hippies and smoked a lot as teens.
Younger people support it because everyone smokes and it's no big deal.

It's so weird.  It's like if there was a proposition for "free ice cream" and half the people vote it down.

Congratulations.  You have no capability to view things from outside of your own perspective.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 03, 2010, 05:36:37 AM
Quote from: Boogie on November 03, 2010, 03:05:06 AM
Quote from: Bebpo on November 03, 2010, 02:14:23 AM
I don't understand how marajuana can lose.

Older people support it because they were hippies and smoked a lot as teens.
Younger people support it because everyone smokes and it's no big deal.

It's so weird.  It's like if there was a proposition for "free ice cream" and half the people vote it down.

Congratulations.  You have no capability to view things from outside of your own perspective.

He's not saying he can't understand the other side's perspective; he's saying he can't understand its failure given his perception of the numbers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 03, 2010, 08:32:07 AM
No real surprises here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 03:02:30 AM
Just read somewhere that Texas Republicans don't need a single Democratic vote to pass state constitutional ammendments

:rofl :rofl  :-\

Ah yes, farewell home state.  8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 03, 2010, 09:20:18 AM
Just finishing up my Mitch Mconnell as hitler sign and just ordered my "Fire Boehner" hat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 03:02:30 AM
Just read somewhere that Texas Republicans don't need a single Democratic vote to pass state constitutional ammendments

:rofl :rofl  :-\

Texas is about to turn into The Jesus Approved Ass Kicking Republic of Texas.  Those Warshington limp-wristed Republicans aren't conservative enough for TEJAS, no sir!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 09:31:13 AM
lmbo

http://twitter.com/#!/search/African%20Americans

African Americans trending on twitter. 4% of black people voted. I'm sure the rest didn't vote because they're stuck in a red state without citizenship like me, either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 03, 2010, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 03:02:30 AM
Just read somewhere that Texas Republicans don't need a single Democratic vote to pass state constitutional ammendments

:rofl :rofl  :-\

Texas is about to turn into The Jesus Approved Ass Kicking Republic of Texas.  Those Warshington limp-wristed Republicans aren't conservative enough for TEJAS, no sir!

Haha

It already was the Jesus Approved Ass Kicking Republic of Texas aside from certain liberal cities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Republicans just performed Inception on the entire US population. This country is fucked for the next decade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 10:04:24 AM
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2009/1101090518_400.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 10:29:18 AM
I like how the media portrays voters as hopeful and full of awe when democrats are elected, but angry and frustrated when republicans are elected.

SMH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Republicans just performed Inception on the entire US population. This country is fucked for the next decade.

You act like the democrats have been doing such a great job with the country; they haven't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 10:35:33 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 10:29:18 AM
I like how the media portrays voters as hopeful and full of awe when democrats are elected, but angry and frustrated when republicans are elected.

SMH

Because people were hopeful in 2008, and they're angry now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 03, 2010, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 03, 2010, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 03:02:30 AM
Just read somewhere that Texas Republicans don't need a single Democratic vote to pass state constitutional ammendments

:rofl :rofl  :-\

Texas is about to turn into The Jesus Approved Ass Kicking Republic of Texas.  Those Warshington limp-wristed Republicans aren't conservative enough for TEJAS, no sir!
:lol

Texas isn't THAT bad.  Most people, even Republicans, in power realize that shit like rewriting the text books to favor creationism is insane.  The Hispanic vote is too important to ever turn in Arizona.  My problem with Texas is that it isn't proactive whatsoever.  It's been doing the state pretty well for a while, but since Rick Perry has been re-elected it will be the status quo for a while longer.  Ugh.  It's really not a bad state though.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 03, 2010, 10:50:43 AM
prop 19 failed?

sounds like its time to start murdering old people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 10:57:45 AM
Prop 1 in Houston passed.

Prop 2 wtf

Thank god at prop 3

(http://imgur.com/se2fr.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 10:58:58 AM
At least americans can all agree that Red Light cameras are garbage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
If Florida fucks shit up in 2012, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Alex Sink for governor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 10:59:47 AM
they have their uses. too bad most of that use is misuse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:00:26 AM
Seriously, Rick Scott, whose hospital chain committed the biggest Medicare fraud in history, is my governor now.

I'm shaking my head. WTF happened?

And Allen West is my representative.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
If Florida fucks shit up in 2012, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Alex Sink for governor.

I won't even be in Florida by the time 2012 comes.  :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:00:26 AM
Seriously, Rick Scott, whose hospital chain committed the biggest Medicare fraud in history, is my governor now.

I'm shaking my head. WTF happened?

hahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
If Florida fucks shit up in 2012, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Alex Sink for governor.

I won't even be in Florida by the time 2012 comes.  :D

I HOPE it isn't Florida next time. I'm sick of this shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:00:26 AM
Seriously, Rick Scott, whose hospital chain committed the biggest Medicare fraud in history, is my governor now.

I'm shaking my head. WTF happened?

hahahaha
Old people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:04:27 AM
Florida fucks up again. (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/elections/os-election-day-sink-scott-20101102,0,1138384.story)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
If Florida fucks shit up in 2012, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Alex Sink for governor.

I won't even be in Florida by the time 2012 comes.  :D

I HOPE it isn't Florida next time. I'm sick of this shit.

florida sux
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:06:17 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 10:59:01 AM
If Florida fucks shit up in 2012, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos Alex Sink for governor.

I won't even be in Florida by the time 2012 comes.  :D

I HOPE it isn't Florida next time. I'm sick of this shit.

florida sux
We're sorry. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:16:38 AM
how does it feel to have a fucking CRIMINAL as your governor, ferrariman?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:21:40 AM
Feels bad, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
bugsbunnyamputatesgangrenousstate.gif
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Cheebs on November 03, 2010, 11:37:30 AM
I am a bit surprised how apathetic I am about all this.

2004 got me angry, 2006 and 2008 I was extremely excited about. Today? Meh. I feel nothing really. It's going to be a messy and useless next 2 years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
bugsbunnyamputatesgangrenousstate.gif
Yeah, where is that gif? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:42:21 AM
cheer up!

[youtube=560,345]UACK93xF-FE
[/youtube]
Quote from: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:38:38 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
bugsbunnyamputatesgangrenousstate.gif
Yeah, where is that gif? ???

(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/bugs-florida.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2010, 11:43:24 AM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/bugs-florida.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Brehvolution on November 03, 2010, 11:44:43 AM
Quote from: Cheebs on November 03, 2010, 11:37:30 AM
I am a bit surprised how apathetic I am about all this.

2004 got me angry, 2006 and 2008 I was extremely excited about. Today? Meh. I feel nothing really. It's going to be a messy and useless next 2 years.

Same here. I'm resigned to the fact that it's part of the cycle. The repubs will fuck up and get voted out the next election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 11:45:07 AM
Did anyone else see the clip on MSNBC were Olbermann and crew were making fun of Boehner for tearing up while giving his speech?

I thought that was mean spirited even by Olbermanns standards.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:45:40 AM
We're sorry again, America!  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:48:05 AM
LMFAO CALIFORNIA

http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_16492518?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1

props 25 and 26
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 03, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
[youtube=560,345]fl378wA75Mg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:50:10 AM
2012 can't come soon enough, provided that the Dems line up a competent challenger to Allen West.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 03, 2010, 11:51:26 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:48:05 AM
LMFAO CALIFORNIA

http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_16492518?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1

props 25 and 26
wat ???

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/11/voters-pass-prop-25-allowing-legislative-majority-vote-to-pass-california-budget.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Republicans just performed Inception on the entire US population. This country is fucked for the next decade.

You act like the democrats have been doing such a great job with the country; they haven't.

It's hard to take someone seriously who didn't feel like looking into the candidates before deciding not to vote since "everyone is the same."

Democrats collectively shat the bed, tis true. But there's a major difference between democrats and republicans, who are going to cut taxes and further expand deficits across the country, attempt to cut benefits, and obstruct even the most basic government functions like confirming federal reserve chairmen.

Lots of people on twitter are saying 4.7% of black people voted. It's actually 10%, which isn't great either. 9% of young people voted. Unemployment is high, the economy is fucked - you'd think the nation's most vulnerable would give a shit what direction the country is going in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Republicans just performed Inception on the entire US population. This country is fucked for the next decade.

You act like the democrats have been doing such a great job with the country; they haven't.

It's hard to take someone seriously who didn't feel like looking into the candidates before deciding not to vote since "everyone is the same."

Democrats collectively shat the bed, tis true. But there's a major difference between democrats and republicans, who are going to cut taxes and further expand deficits across the country, attempt to cut benefits, and obstruct even the most basic government functions like confirming federal reserve chairmen.

Lots of people on twitter are saying 4.7% of black people voted. It's actually 10%, which isn't great either. 9% of young people voted. Unemployment is high, the economy is fucked - you'd think the nation's most vulnerable would give a shit what direction the country is going in.

???

That's not why I didn't vote. I mostly didn't vote because I'm not going to be in Florida for more than a year longer and I don't even live in Texas anymore. What's the point in voting then? If you knew you were going to be leaving Michigan in 2 months to live in I don't know, Illinois, would you bother voting? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't feel like your vote would mean much to you, personally, in the long run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on November 03, 2010, 11:57:23 AM
yeah, Florida sucks. The only good part is South Florida. I used to defend the state, but not anymore. Thank God I'm moving to Seattle in less than a year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 11:59:00 AM
:bow SEATTLE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: drew on November 03, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
[youtube=560,345]fl378wA75Mg[/youtube]

Jesus, how did none of this even get a mention?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Republicans just performed Inception on the entire US population. This country is fucked for the next decade.

You act like the democrats have been doing such a great job with the country; they haven't.

It's hard to take someone seriously who didn't feel like looking into the candidates before deciding not to vote since "everyone is the same."

Democrats collectively shat the bed, tis true. But there's a major difference between democrats and republicans, who are going to cut taxes and further expand deficits across the country, attempt to cut benefits, and obstruct even the most basic government functions like confirming federal reserve chairmen.

Lots of people on twitter are saying 4.7% of black people voted. It's actually 10%, which isn't great either. 9% of young people voted. Unemployment is high, the economy is fucked - you'd think the nation's most vulnerable would give a shit what direction the country is going in.

???

That's not why I didn't vote. I mostly didn't vote because I'm not going to be in Florida for more than a year longer and I don't even live in Texas anymore. What's the point in voting then? If you knew you were going to be leaving Michigan in 2 months to live in I don't know, Illinois, would you bother voting? Maybe, maybe not. But it doesn't feel like your vote would mean much to you, personally, in the long run.

Yes, I would vote. Just a few Florida votes made a medicare fraud fuckup their governor
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 12:05:24 PM
Well, I didn't. And I feel half guilty about it and don't need you rubbing it in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2010, 12:10:12 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 03, 2010, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: drew on November 03, 2010, 11:49:36 AM
[youtube=560,345]fl378wA75Mg[/youtube]

Jesus, how did none of this even get a mention?

Because it's not really Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 12:14:06 PM
Oh, well there's that I guess
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 12:35:21 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 02:50:36 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 02:39:57 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 01:33:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 03, 2010, 12:38:39 AM
Looks like one of Dan Quayle's kids has won a seat in the House.

Prop 19 appears to be going down.  What about the Washington state tax measure, Van Cruncheon?

oh, we're quite fucked on 1053. it had been polling crazy popular up until now. the good news is that it, like i-960 that preceded it, will be suspended as (state) unconstitutional at some point, because JESUS CHRIST YOU IDIOTS the government needs to be able to raise taxes. thankfully, the state's constitution writers had the foresight to note that ALL acts of state congress can only require a statistical majority (51%) and NOT a supermajority, so tim eyman's dumbass shit flies right in its face.

I'm telling ya man, you and I need to pound the pavement and get the signatures for an initiative to kick that douchebags ass out of the state.

or we just organize a roadtrip to spokane and dickpunch him in a kroger's parking lot

either/or, really

Why not both?

And doesn't he live over here?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 12:45:08 PM
i thought he operated out of spokane. let's compromise and get the signatures for an initiative to have him dickpunched by former mma "star" tank abbott on the olympia capital rotunda steps
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 03, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
I felt apathetic about this one because the tide was inevitable.  The economy is in the shitter and people are disenchanted with Obama.  That is the problem with posing a candidate as a demigod; once reality sets in, people will be greatly disillusioned, as most people are with charismatics.  Add in a fucked economy, Democrats curled in fetal positions, and Republicans foaming at the mouth, he was doubly fucked.

Not that I sympathize much.  A lot of golden opportunities came and went.  His summer 2010 performance was baffling - maybe he was aiming to be a character above the fray but he came off as detached from the reality that the majority of Americans were facing.

I am confident he will do better this time around simply because he can no longer afford to, politically.  Unless he wants to get devastated in 2012 or worse, kicked out in the primaries.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Republicans just performed Inception on the entire US population. This country is fucked for the next decade.

You act like the democrats have been doing such a great job with the country; they haven't.

It's hard to take someone seriously who didn't feel like looking into the candidates before deciding not to vote since "everyone is the same."

Democrats collectively shat the bed, tis true. But there's a major difference between democrats and republicans, who are going to cut taxes and further expand deficits across the country, attempt to cut benefits, and obstruct even the most basic government functions like confirming federal reserve chairmen.

Lots of people on twitter are saying 4.7% of black people voted. It's actually 10%, which isn't great either. 9% of young people voted. Unemployment is high, the economy is fucked - you'd think the nation's most vulnerable would give a shit what direction the country is going in.

As long as there is Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, and iPhone, most young people don't give a fuck either way, at least enough to go out and vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 12:55:14 PM
What a brilliant idea not to hold that vote before running home to campaign. GG Reid (and Pelosi).

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 03, 2010, 12:57:29 PM
I assume Democrats will cave as much as possible to GOP and teabagger demands and hope that as the economy improves between now and 2012, they can ride the wave of increasing prosperity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:01:42 PM
obama live
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39988257#39988257
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 01:11:02 PM
he just came out the closet as a gay muslim and is going to repeal DADT so he can join the navy  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 01:12:36 PM
best president
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Snuflupagulus on November 03, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
We Californians decimated the GOP.  Even Kamala may eke out a victory, despite her best effort to lose.  And, ding-dong, 2/3 majority is dead for budgets.  GOP may as well close up shop, decamp to Orange County and ruin a few more PTAs. 

:smug

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 12:45:08 PM
i thought he operated out of spokane. let's compromise and get the signatures for an initiative to have him dickpunched by former mma "star" tank abbott on the olympia capital rotunda steps

Mukilteo.  My mom sees him at the QFC at Harbour Pointe.  Be fearful of his cancerAIDS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 03, 2010, 02:16:25 PM
some of these questions are really pissing me off, where the hell was that line about obama being out of touch when bush held a conference?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2010, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 03, 2010, 12:45:08 PM
i thought he operated out of spokane. let's compromise and get the signatures for an initiative to have him dickpunched by former mma "star" tank abbott on the olympia capital rotunda steps

Now that's change you can believe in!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Lots of people on twitter are saying 4.7% of black people voted. It's actually 10%, which isn't great either. 9% of young people voted. Unemployment is high, the economy is fucked - you'd think the nation's most vulnerable would give a shit what direction the country is going in.

Using that theory they would have been wise to vote Republican as the ball has been in the democrats court and shit is rolling downhill.  Or are we still blaming Bush for everything still.

That said Alvin Green was somehow able to tally 358,069 votes.  You sure you want more blacks voting?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:05:01 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:01:42 PM
You sure you want more blacks voting?

Your Republican party, everyone!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 04:06:11 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 09:50:28 AM
Lots of people on twitter are saying 4.7% of black people voted. It's actually 10%, which isn't great either. 9% of young people voted. Unemployment is high, the economy is fucked - you'd think the nation's most vulnerable would give a shit what direction the country is going in.

Using that theory they would have been wise to vote Republican as the ball has been in the democrats court and shit is rolling downhill.  Or are we still blaming Bush for everything still.

That said Alvin Green was somehow able to tally 358,069 votes.  You sure you want more blacks voting?

I'm going to just ignore the bolded.

If people voted republican, so be it. While I'm definitely disappointed the liberal base didn't come out, if they came out and voted republican I'd honestly feel better. At least they would have mad their voices heard and participated in the election. There aren't many excuses for not voting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on November 03, 2010, 04:07:39 PM
Quote from: Snuflupagulus on November 03, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
We Californians decimated the GOP.  Even Kamala may eke out a victory, despite her best effort to lose.  And, ding-dong, 2/3 majority is dead for budgets.  GOP may as well close up shop, decamp to Orange County and ruin a few more PTAs. 

:smug

If they come to OC they'll have to deal with me and I ain't no pushover  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Quote from: Snuflupagulus on November 03, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
We Californians decimated the GOP.  Even Kamala may eke out a victory, despite her best effort to lose.  And, ding-dong, 2/3 majority is dead for budgets.  GOP may as well close up shop, decamp to Orange County and ruin a few more PTAs. 

NO state more deserving of likes of Gavin Newsome and Kamala Harris.  Taking the "alent" from San Francisco and putting them on the big stage.  Safe to say cop killings will rise and the state will become one big sanctuary state.  Kamala will just pat the killers on the head and give them coupons to Taco Bueno.  The sad thing is I read SFgate daily (for the lulz of course) and the majority of locals who post there can't even stand her.

Somewhere Willie Brown is getting a good laugh. She is going to do to the state what she did to me.
Title: Swarthy people comin' ta kill ya!
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Kamala will just pat the killers on the head and give them coupons to Taco Bueno.

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 04:06:11 PM

I'm going to just ignore the bolded.

If people voted republican, so be it. While I'm definitely disappointed the liberal base didn't come out, if they came out and voted republican I'd honestly feel better. At least they would have mad their voices heard and participated in the election. There aren't many excuses for not voting.


Why ignore the bolded part? It shows what is wrong with our society today.  The guy is bat shit crazy, yet 350,000 PEOPLE voted for him.  It is like the people who voted for that twat Christine O'Donnell.  The straight ticket folks have always been my biggest annoyance in politics.

P.S.  I have voted for numerous democrats in my day.  I am no Rick perry fan and the only thing that kept me from voting for Bill White was that he turned Houston into a little sanctuary city. That is one of my big issues.  Illegal means Illegal.  

Also Sarah Palin is truly the devil and if she ran for President, I would probably find myself voting for Donald Duck or a Libertarian.
Title: Re: Swarthy people comin' ta kill ya!
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
Kamala will just pat the killers on the head and give them coupons to Taco Bueno.

wat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Ramos
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
Why ignore the bolded part?

Because it's racist as fuck and PD's trying to let it slide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
Why ignore the bolded part?

Because it's racist as fuck and PD's trying to let it slide.

How is it racist?  95% of black voters in 2008 voted for Obama.  For fuck sake, you are calling my post racist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:33:55 PM
Anyways, if this plays out the way it always does, doughty here is going to get really sensitive that someone called his racist remarks racist, say how he's not racist at all and liberals are always Pulling The Race Card (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwp1AsK-OwU) and basically paint himself as the victim.

edit: Oh shit just previewed and I'm right!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on November 03, 2010, 04:35:55 PM
but Gavin Newsom is cousin to Joanna Newsom

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2010, 04:38:37 PM
Look, if you're a white dude, and you just wrote "You sure you want more blacks voting?" then the proper play is to say "Oh shit, that looks really, really bad.  I didn't mean it like that at all, what I was trying to say was X and it just came out horribly."

I'll even let you copy/paste that exact quote and use it on your own!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:39:16 PM
That is bdoughty to you and as soon as you finish scooping all that sand out of your vagina, you will realize that we are all a tiny bit racist in one way or another.  You telling me that you have never made a racist joke?  Never looked at someone of another color differently than you would of your own race?

P.S.  One would easily have to say that there was some racism in 95% of African Americans choosing Obama.  In fact if I recall something like 15%  of the voters said that race was a factor.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 04:40:20 PM
[youtube=560,345]_23Nt5XumaU[/youtube]


If only Obama could have invigorated his base. I.E. pot heads and dudes in werewolf masks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:23:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 04:06:11 PM

I'm going to just ignore the bolded.

If people voted republican, so be it. While I'm definitely disappointed the liberal base didn't come out, if they came out and voted republican I'd honestly feel better. At least they would have mad their voices heard and participated in the election. There aren't many excuses for not voting.


Why ignore the bolded part? It shows what is wrong with our society today.  The guy is bat shit crazy, yet 350,000 PEOPLE voted for him.  It is like the people who voted for that twat Christine O'Donnell.  The straight ticket folks have always been my biggest annoyance in politics.

P.S.  I have voted for numerous democrats in my day.  I am no Rick perry fan and the only thing that kept me from voting for Bill White was that he turned Houston into a little sanctuary city. That is one of my big issues.  Illegal means Illegal.  

Also Sarah Palin is truly the devil and if she ran for President, I would probably find myself voting for Donald Duck or a Libertarian.


Many people vote straight ticket, surprise. Also, on the crazy scale I'm not convinced Greene is too far away from DeMinnt.

Does Christine O'Donnell vote count suggest white people shouldn't vote, especially if they're female? Take that shit somewhere else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on November 03, 2010, 04:43:07 PM
I would be all for white suburban wives not voting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:43:35 PM
Fuck it, this is like NeoGaf lite in regards to politics.  Life is too short, especially in my case, to go back and forth on this.

PD good to see you again, I do wish you the best.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on November 03, 2010, 04:43:35 PM
Fuck it, this is like NeoGaf lite in regards to politics.  Life is too short, especially in my case, to go back and forth on this.

PD good to see you again, I do wish you the best.



A drive-by bomb drop with racial overtones, meant to cause a reaction as your first post in ages - and you're off until what, 2012? fuckouttahere

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on November 03, 2010, 04:54:49 PM
that was before they knew Al Gore hated God

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 04:56:00 PM
Al Gore, who dat?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 04:56:38 PM
Quote from: etiolate on November 03, 2010, 04:35:55 PM
but Gavin Newsom is cousin to Joanna Newsom



I didn't know this. Dem genes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 05:21:08 PM
this page is glorious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 03, 2010, 06:11:01 PM
Obama willing to compromise!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/03/barack-obama-midterms-compromise

Also, bdoughty is a dumbfuck.  Maybe a racist but definitely a dumbfuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 06:13:33 PM
hahaha no shit on both parts of that post (obama and bdoughty)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 06:34:17 PM
You mean compromise as in the same thing he's been trying to do over the last 2 years? Because republicans refuse to work with him even on basic ideas  they traditionally support? That the media has totally ignored?

i'm moving to Italy. Their leaders sound entertaining
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 03, 2010, 06:36:33 PM
speak italian for me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 06:46:17 PM
dats a spicay meataball!!

(get me the fuck out of here, how's Darfur this time of year?)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on November 03, 2010, 06:49:16 PM
If more EBers move to Italy I'll have people to hang out with when I finally take a trip over there!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 06:54:12 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 03, 2010, 06:36:33 PM
speak italian for me

all you need to know:
[youtube=560,345]jNRHXuNZ6SQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 03, 2010, 07:13:25 PM
I'm looking forward to the next two years.  The republican/teabaggers are full of passion and are definitely going to be expecting something more from their candidates than a bunch of democrat-hindering bullshit.  The problem is that republican/teaparty doesn't control enough of the Federal government to actually change anything without democratic support so now they're the ones not delivering cherry flavored farts or whatever.  The republicans are probably going to lose a lot of support by the 2012 elections.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
or they'll say "we can't do anything without the senate and presidency" which makes more sense

Then Mitch Daniels comes in and leads us to prosperity :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 03, 2010, 07:34:39 PM
That requires flavor of the month independents to be passionate for two more years.  Or else if they actually care about politics, they would realize that the only way the government could work the way they'd like is if their party has a huge filibuster-proof majority in both the House and Senate which is obviously unrealistic.  I just don't see the teabaggers avoiding a reaming in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 03, 2010, 07:39:17 PM
Poor folk need something to latch to. If teabaggers don't bring change (which they won't) who will it be? A new moderate Republican? Or something much worse?

I mean from what I see the people that are hurting don't have much patience for anyone I don't really see them accepting the teabagger's excuses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 07:42:06 PM
(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/richvoter-1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 03, 2010, 07:52:25 PM
LOL. I love how bdoughty's response was "Look, I may be fucking racist, but you're racist, too! That's 'cuz we all are! I'm just willing to admit it and act like a racist prick!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 03, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 07:42:06 PM
(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/richvoter-1.jpg)
That really isn't useful. It tells me nothing of demographics, geographic location etc.

Poor people are pissed do they go running in the arms of the free market as recent history suggests or do they go even more to the left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Tristam on November 03, 2010, 07:52:25 PM
LOL. I love how bdoughty's response was "Look, I may be fucking racist, but you're racist, too! That's 'cuz we all are! I'm just willing to admit it and act like a racist prick!"

Once you realize what a racist everyone is, being the The Conservative is the only thing that makes sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 03, 2010, 08:28:03 PM
Prop 26 passed. Worst liberal state ever. :x
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 03, 2010, 08:54:33 PM
I voted against it, I don't get how voters agreed that only a simple majority should be necessary for setting a budget but 2/3 is needed for raising taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on November 03, 2010, 09:06:21 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on November 03, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2010, 07:42:06 PM
(http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/richvoter-1.jpg)
That really isn't useful. It tells me nothing of demographics, geographic location etc.

Poor people are pissed do they go running in the arms of the free market as recent history suggests or do they go even more to the left.

I think that pic is trying to show that poor people (37%) voted less than slightly better than poor people (63%).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 03, 2010, 09:30:12 PM
I dunno still isn't very useful in that regard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 09:43:12 PM
I'm not sure when Obama is going to realize that playing the Charlie Brown to the GOP's Lucy, holding the ever elusive football of bipartisanship only to yank it away right as Obama goes to slam in a field goal and lands on his ass is EXACTLY.  WHAT.  THE REPUBLICANS WANT. 

But when he does, it's gonna be sad to see.  Kind of like when your distinguished mentally-challenged cousin found out there wasn't a Santa Claus when he was 17 or whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Ganhyun on November 03, 2010, 10:11:04 PM
expected this kinda turnout, especially due to the concerns over unemployment and such.  But, should things not get any better, it could easily be Republicans losing seats again in the next election.

*Anecdotal* At work last night, a few outspoken Democrats were at work claiming anyone who voted Republican was racist and that was the only reason they would be voting Republican, instead of other reasons.

Edit: Of course, they also claimed that anyone who didn't vote for Obama in the presidential election was racist as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2010, 10:36:47 PM
I don't know about racism, but there was a whole lot of fucktardism going on last night.

Also, this made me laugh, especially the last line:  http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-remaining-politician-must-rebuild-entire-gove,18384/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 03, 2010, 10:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on November 03, 2010, 10:11:04 PM
expected this kinda turnout, especially due to the concerns over unemployment and such.  But, should things not get any better, it could easily be Republicans losing seats again in the next election.

*Anecdotal* At work last night, a few outspoken Democrats were at work claiming anyone who voted Republican was racist and that was the only reason they would be voting Republican, instead of other reasons.

Edit: Of course, they also claimed that anyone who didn't vote for Obama in the presidential election was racist as well.

so... You work with average Democrats. Sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2010, 11:11:31 PM
^^^
Beardo admits that "average Democrats" are working, income earning taxpayers

PROGRESS!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 03, 2010, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: Ganhyun on November 03, 2010, 10:11:04 PM
Edit: Of course, they also claimed that anyone who didn't vote for Obama in the presidential election was racist as well.

They are distinguished mentally-challenged but apparently not totally incorrect, I believed that Biden would have made the best president not only because I agreed with his views, but because he was a white male with decades in the senate and a non-threatening name.  The best guy to push the policies I like, because I know racism exists.

In the next two years, we'll either see even more bickering or else we'll see actual compromises being made in congress.  There's no way republicans will not become jaded.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 04, 2010, 12:24:26 AM
Lessons I've learned from message boards:  black people voting for a black man is just as racist (if not more so) as implying that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Filed next to "having to serve black people at your business is like having to serve KKK members".

Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 03, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
Also didn't like 90% of black people vote for Al Gore?  And he makes PD look like Too Short.

Hell, 90% of black voters went for Kerry, and he makes Al Gore look like Gil Scott-Heron.

Also, in Maryland they overwhelmingly supported Ben Cardin against Michael Steele, thus making them racists in both directions!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 04, 2010, 08:19:17 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 04, 2010, 12:24:26 AM
Lessons I've learned from message boards:  black people voting for a black man is just as racist (if not more so) as implying that they shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Filed next to "having to serve black people at your business is like having to serve KKK members".

Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 03, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
Also didn't like 90% of black people vote for Al Gore?  And he makes PD look like Too Short.

Hell, 90% of black voters went for Kerry, and he makes Al Gore look like Gil Scott-Heron.

Also, in Maryland they overwhelmingly supported Ben Cardin against Michael Steele, thus making them racists in both directions!

So because black people voted overwhelmingly for a white guy...black people are racist against black people! I'm beginning to understand bdoughty's logic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 04, 2010, 09:04:53 AM
The stupid hurts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
guess who's the ranking gop member of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Financial_Services_Subcommittee_on_Domestic_Monetary_Policy_and_Technology

cover your mouth because you will lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2010, 02:26:25 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 04, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
guess who's the ranking gop member of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Financial_Services_Subcommittee_on_Domestic_Monetary_Policy_and_Technology

cover your mouth because you will lol

Was thinking it was gonna be
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Rand
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Guess I came pretty close. Still pretty funny  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 04, 2010, 03:31:16 PM
Gold has been performing really well....
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-rallies-to-record-as-fed-feeds-inflation-fear-2010-11-04 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-rallies-to-record-as-fed-feeds-inflation-fear-2010-11-04)


If only people could invest in welfare checks. Then the democrats might actually have some financial experience.  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on November 04, 2010, 06:09:02 PM
Huh, looks like Murkowski might win the AK seat with the first write-in victoly in the Senate in over 50 years. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110308817.html

 :piss joe miller :piss2

Or maybe all of those write-ins were for the default choice: Mupepe  :o :o :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 04, 2010, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 04, 2010, 01:53:55 PM
guess who's the ranking gop member of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Financial_Services_Subcommittee_on_Domestic_Monetary_Policy_and_Technology

cover your mouth because you will lol
Oh shit.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 04, 2010, 06:27:02 PM
Quote from: bachikarn on November 03, 2010, 11:57:23 AM
yeah, Florida sucks. The only good part is South Florida. I used to defend the state, but not anymore. Thank God I'm moving to Seattle in less than a year.
If Rick Scott bankrupts Florida, I'm crashing at your house. I don't care if it rains a lot in there and Starbucks is the local currency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 04, 2010, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: Robo on November 04, 2010, 06:09:02 PM
Huh, looks like Murkowski might win the AK seat with the first write-in victoly in the Senate in over 50 years. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110308817.html

 :piss joe miller :piss2

Or maybe all of those write-ins were for the default choice: Mupepe  :o :o :o
IT'S GONNA BE ME!  WOO HOO!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2010, 06:39:57 PM
so obama hussein is spending $200 million a day and taking 34 war ships to visit India :smug
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/freak-out-right-wingers-howl-over-obamas-india-trip.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2010, 08:16:21 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24215753&postcount=9966

A new star is born
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2010, 10:35:15 PM
Dino Rossi has conceded in the Washington state senate race. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2010, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2010, 10:35:15 PM
Dino Rossi has conceded in the Washington state senate race. :rock

:rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2010, 11:20:07 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2010, 11:08:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2010, 10:35:15 PM
Dino Rossi has conceded in the Washington state senate race. :rock

:rock :rock :rock

:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
he'll be back in 6 years  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2010, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
he'll be back in 6 years  :o

Pfft, he appears to pop up every two years.  He'll run for Governor again or the other Senate seat next I'm sure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2010, 02:49:04 AM
Speaking of elections and stuff, Iraq's parliament still doesn't have a governing coalition after the elections they held in March.

I've been sitting on "The Official Topic of Nouri Al-Maliki and New Era Iraqi Politics" for eight months now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2010, 09:16:35 AM
Isn't Iraqi politics just a slow moving removal of any and all Sunnis from positions of power/authority?  I seriously don't know but that's pretty much what I've been able to gather... I've spent all of my brain cells' ability to focus on America's fucked up politics and the little that was left over on Israel/Palestine/Iran.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 05, 2010, 12:27:03 PM
hey guys, on positive Fox News... news.  I was watching something last night at a friend's and it was about healthcare and how insurance companies are starting to tack on new copays and higher premiums.  And then one of the hosts/panelists/whatever asked "Why are costs going up so much?" and they actually responded by saying that a study shows on average about only 12% of new costs in the industry are related to the healthcare reform but the industry is raising costs because there isn't enough competition in the industry and because they can and they'll be able to just blame it on healthcare reform.  I was like  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 05, 2010, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 05, 2010, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2010, 11:36:46 PM
he'll be back in 6 years  :o

Pfft, he appears to pop up every two years.  He'll run for Governor again or the other Senate seat next I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll run against Cantwell and lose again.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2010, 02:38:27 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 05, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
My wife got into an argument with someone who used to be a fairly rational but conservative person on facebook about Obama's trip to India.  the girl was spouting off the lies about 200 million a day and my wife corrected her, explained what a state visit entailed, told her that state visits used to be viewed as positives with major trade partners and/or nuclear powers in unstable regions of the world.  The girl's response?

Thank god for the second amendment.

Like some sort of thinly veiled threat against my wife, liberals, and the government.  Kind of sent a chill through my spine and worried me for a bit.  Is this really where we're going?

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better shoot her ass as a preventative measure, just in case


much like in the early 80's, the idea that our shitty economic state is all the fault of minorities has settled in to the consiousness of a hell of a lot of honkey america.  i dunno how far down we're gonna fall before someone is able to pull is out of it, but i think it's gonna be a really fucking long time.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 05, 2010, 03:05:14 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-suspended-from-msnbc-indefinitely/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-suspended-from-msnbc-indefinitely/)

Looks like Olbermann is gonna get shit canned from MSNBC. Probably go to Air America (do they still exist) and then fade away into nothingness.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2010, 03:29:29 PM
That's terrible.  In the interest of fairness and balance, since Olbermann gave $2400 each to three different candidates and Newscorp donated ONE MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS to the Republican Governor's Association, I'm sure that Fox News will do the right thing and just close down indefinitely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 05, 2010, 03:36:41 PM
Hey, nobody is making NBC do anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2010, 04:32:36 PM
The war in Afghanistan requires $193 million a day. Clinton's trip to Africa, the previous most expensive presidential trip, cost $50 million total. I'm gonna say this is the new stress test of whether someone is a dumbass or not.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2010, 06:04:55 PM
Bush's trip to the bank costed $700 BILLION. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2010, 07:26:05 PM
(http://kttns.org/e1ywv)
I'm gonna miss this guy  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2010, 11:26:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 05, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
My wife got into an argument with someone who used to be a fairly rational but conservative person on facebook about Obama's trip to India.  the girl was spouting off the lies about 200 million a day and my wife corrected her, explained what a state visit entailed, told her that state visits used to be viewed as positives with major trade partners and/or nuclear powers in unstable regions of the world.  The girl's response?

Thank god for the second amendment.

Like some sort of thinly veiled threat against my wife, liberals, and the government.  Kind of sent a chill through my spine and worried me for a bit.  Is this really where we're going?

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That's both pretty horrible and completely unsurprising.

For whatever reason, "That's not actually true" can set people off into a rage way more than "I don't agree with that".  Maybe factual corrections feel more like a direct assault on the basis of their worldview and self-identity, or it's the (intended or not) implication that they're dumb or untrustworthy.

But from personal experience, the few times I've accidentally got someone yelling in political discussions is when I've told them (as nicely as possible) that I looked on the internet, and Bill Clinton didn't have an ex-security guard killed/the CIA didn't have satellite photos of the Russians moving WMD's out of Iraq/the 1930's didn't have the highest global temperatures according to NASA.  Which I said in the most non-confrontational way I could, even.

I dunno, man.




edit:  That Greene Twitter feed is great.  When I lose at SC2, I'm going to write "congratulations i played a good game, i give up" instead of gg.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2010, 10:31:03 AM
It's MSNBC's call whether to suspend Olbermann or not.  Much like Juan Williams.  It's up to the employer.

Although it is pointless to discuss because MSNBC, like almost all other televised news media, is practically worthless infotainment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 11:51:08 AM
Never was a big Olbermann guy. Never really liked his show or his approach.

I think the entire cable news system is broken and just news in general. So whether he should have gotten suspended for this is a moot point to me. It's like arguing about the color of the drapes when the house is on fire.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 11:53:57 AM
this conservative obsession over Obama security measures in India is pathetic, border line disgusting. A president doesn't decide what the secret service does in cases like this anyway
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2010, 12:37:05 PM
I'm not much of an Olbermann fan, but comparing him to Rush/Beck/Coulter etc. as if he's their equal, just the other side of the same coin is :derp x ∞
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2010, 01:58:08 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 06, 2010, 12:37:05 PM
I'm not much of an Olbermann fan, but comparing him to Rush/Beck/Coulter etc. as if he's their equal, just the other side of the same coin is :derp x ∞

Who here is saying that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2010, 02:09:12 PM
No one here, but was just browsing the GAF thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 06, 2010, 02:09:12 PM
No one here, but was just browsing the GAF thread

Oh, ok.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 02:28:07 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 06, 2010, 02:23:47 PM
I used to not like Olbermann, but at this point at I think we need many more Michael Moore/Olbermann raging liberal populists. 

I hate those sorts. Well hate is too strong a word but I always think its a bad bargain when we have to trade emotion for logic or facts. I think you can be very passionate about your views without becoming a crazy ideologue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTR7V8cA9OY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 06, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
of course you can be passionate without spouting crazy shit.  but the vast majority of people respond to emotion, not logic.  I thought the dems learned in 2008 with CHANGE!  But apparently not.  The right has known this for quite some time and it's why they can continue getting away with telling flat out lies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 02:41:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 05, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
My wife got into an argument with someone who used to be a fairly rational but conservative person on facebook about Obama's trip to India.  the girl was spouting off the lies about 200 million a day and my wife corrected her, explained what a state visit entailed, told her that state visits used to be viewed as positives with major trade partners and/or nuclear powers in unstable regions of the world.  The girl's response?

Thank god for the second amendment.

Like some sort of thinly veiled threat against my wife, liberals, and the government.  Kind of sent a chill through my spine and worried me for a bit.  Is this really where we're going?

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Note this girl has also said in the past few days that Obamacare has ruined her chances of getting good insurance.  When she finds a job that gives insurance, because right now her current job doesn't offer it.
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civil war in 20 years.

conservatives will try to topple the government to show us how things are really done.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 06, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
of course you can be passionate without spouting crazy shit.  but the vast majority of people respond to emotion, not logic.  I thought the dems learned in 2008 with CHANGE!  But apparently not.  The right has known this for quite some time and it's why they can continue getting away with telling flat out lies.

I never delude myself about the average intelligence of people. People are dumb. They respond to emotional dumb shit which is why our country often sucks. I'm not saying those types are going to disappear. I'm just not going to pretend they are anything more than what they are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 06, 2010, 02:33:58 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTR7V8cA9OY[/youtube]

Goddamn.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 03:25:07 PM
Stewart can be good but he's quite the paper dragon. He's very good at attacking easy targets, but he gets rolled whenever an effective conservative bullshiter comes on his show.

Olbermann is a complete asshole diva, can't stand him.

Maddow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
The left desperately needs a Glenn Beck. Not in an asshole, I want to kill myself because this guy lies about facts way, but someone who can pander to the left ideology with gusto, be confrontational, pander to EMOTIONS and the plight of GOOD VERSUS EVIL that is so common in conservative politics. Basically, someone with balls and not a pussy who realizes that the masses are tools and can be convinced with the most simple of arguments so long as they speak to their heart, not so much their head.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 06, 2010, 03:31:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 02:42:03 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 06, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
of course you can be passionate without spouting crazy shit.  but the vast majority of people respond to emotion, not logic.  I thought the dems learned in 2008 with CHANGE!  But apparently not.  The right has known this for quite some time and it's why they can continue getting away with telling flat out lies.

I never delude myself about the average intelligence of people. People are dumb. They respond to emotional dumb shit which is why our country often sucks. I'm not saying those types are going to disappear. I'm just not going to pretend they are anything more than what they are.
you mean anything more than the majority and the people who decide the direction of this country? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2010, 03:52:08 PM
Goddamn I hate Bill Maher.  Why doesn't he do anything like what Stewart tried?  I don't see him trying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
....What is wrong with what Bill said?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2010, 04:18:56 PM
I get tired of his holier than thou attitude, and I'm in disagreement with him over the success of Stewart's rally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 04:21:47 PM
Holier than thou attitude? This is why dems are pussies.

Bill Maher is a loon when it comes to certain issues, but just about every thing he said was right.

When the sole leading opposition of the tea party in the face of the media is ran by someone who is more of a comedian than someone with substantial political views and demands change, you know you're in trouble.

Bill Maher is 100% correct and this is coming from someone who wanted to attend that fucking rally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 06, 2010, 03:28:36 PM
The left desperately needs a Glenn Beck. Not in an asshole, I want to kill myself because this guy lies about facts way, but someone who can pander to the left ideology with gusto, be confrontational, pander to EMOTIONS and the plight of GOOD VERSUS EVIL that is so common in conservative politics. Basically, someone with balls and not a pussy who realizes that the masses are tools and can be convinced with the most simple of arguments so long as they speak to their heart, not so much their head.

They do. He was called Barack Obama. And then all the liberals turned on him because he wasn't liberal enough.


This idea that there is some magic man for the left who will come along and solve all their problems is just as much a problem as the actual problem. There is nothing more annoying than hearing Liberals pine for the next messiah.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 04:28:50 PM
My problem with Obama isn't that he's not liberal enough, it's that his administration wimps out. For example, Obama should have flexed some muscle and pulled an LBJ on that healthcare bill and make it effective immediately. Now his administration are openly appealing to DADT being deemed unconstitutional. I can cover a lot of issues and most of them are arbitrated to pussyfooting and pandering to whatever demographic he's talking to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 04:32:26 PM
The left always build heroes. And then destroys them when they aren't liberal enough. Since I'm over 30 years old, I'm old enough to have seen this occur all my life. I'm certainly not claiming that Obama is perfect. But when the argument invariably comes from liberals that the problem with Obama is that he hasn't been liberal enough, and if he was then everybody would love him and suddenly everything would be perfect. It strikes me as a very naive argument. The right also says the same thing about their people btw. They said the same thing about Bush. The problem with Bush was he wasn't a "real conservative".


The one thing I respect about conservatives is that while they aren't smarter or more realistic than liberals, at least they vote on a consistent basis. That's why they get what they want by and large compared to liberals. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2010, 04:56:29 PM
There are certainly very strong liberals I like. What annoys me about the internet is the complete inflexibility in recognizing the reality that being a liberal in California or New York is a completely different proposition than being a liberal in the midwest or the south. The answer from a certain group of liberals is always take this stock liberal position and the reality is you can't do that everywhere in this country.

I quite like Rachel Maddow for instance. But there is a big difference in how she handles herself and her show versus somebody like Olbermann. Both are going to exist. But one seems to assume that he doesn't actually have to convince you of the rightness of his argument. He just assumes by virtue of you watching, you already agree with him 100%. I don't care for that. Now Maddow isn't perfect. Nobody is. She sometimes slips into that mode. But I much prefer that approach.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 04:57:44 PM
I think you're underestimating the impact the media has on people, Stoney. If the right are making it seem as if Obama is un-American, a socialist, nazi and the left isn't doing anything, that's a problem. Obama is a product; the democrat party is the seller. We, the people, are buyers. The democrat party are not doing nearly enough to sell their product and keep their product viable. All the while, the right defaces their product with harsh words, the equivalent of arson. And yet the left still attempts to sell their product - spray paint, dents, rust and all.

Media attention and emotions, that's what sells.  It's not so much the left needs a "messiah" but more that they need someone to show that the right are wrong -- not just logically but ethically, morally and as humanly as possible. Why? Because we have established that politics are about emotions, and if Obama wants to do real "change" and get re-elected, the democrat party needs to appeal to that sector. I thought they learned that with the 2008 election, but alas, c'est la vie. Anything other than this will be seen as a sign of weakness, unfortunately.

It's not about having a hero. Not at all. It's about damage control.

But overall, I agree with your point. I'm just clarifying myself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2010, 05:04:45 PM
The left just needs someone who can be a dick.  Dicks get things done.  We're just a bunch of pussies who get fucked and shat on.

Put it another way:

[youtube=560,345]hdq577iClbU[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 05:35:41 PM
take your lefist beck clone, no fucking thanks. I'll stick with Rachel Maddow :bow :bow :bow
(http://tinyurl.com/lw2s8s)
:punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 06, 2010, 05:38:22 PM
I don't know why the left (worldwide) just slams the right on these points:
- The right only cares about money
- The right wants to tell you what to do in your bedroom
- The right thinks they know how to raise your family better than you do
What you guys need is a Paul Keating:

[youtube=560,345]roIeVEf5alk[/youtube]
:bow Adversarial Politics :bow2

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Paul_Keating
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 06, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/04/mitch-mcconnell-speech_n_779070.html

"If the administration wants cooperation, it will have to begin to move in our direction"

Hahaha. Like clockwork. Holding the country hostage is genius. Obama gave them as much as they could chew on and they still vilified him. What exactly do they want?

Certainly doesn't appear to actual legislature.

Are there any moderates on the right? Or was Bill Maher on target with that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 11:39:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]yBxzMMCokpI[/youtube]

while it's easy to argue a bubble exists for liberals too, her point still stands. You're not going to find democrat officials fanning the flames of conspiracy nuts whenever possible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2010, 02:02:58 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/us/politics/07ttmedicaid.html?_r=2&hp

Texas considers medicaid withdrawal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2010, 06:05:53 PM
Everything Himuro said was dead on, btw. It's not about Obama not being librul enough, but that' he comes off as extremely weak. He gives up his queen before the right even move their first pawn. THAT'S the problem that I have with him. I want a center left democrat not a center right republican.

Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2010, 04:18:56 PM
I get tired of his holier than thou attitude, and I'm in disagreement with him over the success of Stewart's rally.

What? Dude, no one fits the holier than thou frame more than Stewart. The thing is, Bill's at least being honest about his biases, but Stewart thinks that both sides are equally crazy/distinguished mentally-challenged, and that he's above such petty bickering.

And I say that as someone who likes Stewart better than Maher (Maher's occasional assholery and wacky conspiracy theories on medicine bring him down a few points).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2010, 06:36:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2010, 11:39:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]yBxzMMCokpI[/youtube]

while it's easy to argue a bubble exists for liberals too, her point still stands. You're not going to find democrat officials fanning the flames of conspiracy nuts whenever possible

i am in love with this lesbo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2010, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 07, 2010, 06:05:53 PM
Everything Himuro said was dead on, btw. It's not about Obama not being librul enough, but that' he comes off as extremely weak. He gives up his queen before the right even move their first pawn. THAT'S the problem that I have with him. I want a center left democrat not a center right republican.


Dean Clinton 2012

(http://theiowarepublican.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Howard-Dean.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2010, 06:52:39 PM
Olbermann is an asshole and somewhat comparable to cheerleaders like Hannity, but ultimately Stewart is wrong. There's a different between being a partisan hack and being a race baiting partisan hack. What Limbaugh and Hannity do on a daily basis is quite different than anything Olbermann does. Olbermann had some pretty heated, petty words for Bush, but nothing compares to the constant attempts to dehumanize and insult Obama from the right - all while sending out racial dog whistles
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2010, 07:10:08 PM
Amusingly enough, Stewart never had Olbermann on his program, but invites Bill O'reilly pretty often.
Title: Make Himumu stay outta my politix threadz!
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
There's room for different rhetorical styles in a political movement, that serve different purposes.  There's no reason that Stewart, Krugman, Taibbi, Zakaria, etc. shouldn't coexist.  Convincing moderates, rallying the troops, bringing in youth, self-policing are all important functions and different writers and media figures are going have different audiences and fill different niches.

There is no magic language that would turn everyone liberal if only lefty pundits all started speaking it.  Even if there were what are you gonna do?  Call a huddle, and say "Okay guys, everyone is going to start talking the same way, okay?"  This is probably not gonna happen.

Let's not live up to the stereotype of the panicky liberal, and quit worrying about tangential shit that's out of our hands anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 07, 2010, 09:49:40 PM
You guys all sound like a bunch of PTA moms trying to decide what to make for the bake sale. When nobody came to the bake sale last year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2010, 09:54:48 PM
No one said anything about Stewart, Cooper, Krugman, et al not having the ability to co-exist. But this does not stop the fact that the liberal media has been doing a poor job of balancing the insanity of the right media. The top opposition of the Tea Party movement was a mock rally led by two clowns.

You see where I'm going here? It has nothing to do with magically turning everyone liberal; that's just ridiculous. It has more to do with finding a platform for the liberal media and the democrats to express their views in a more concise manner. The Republican party and the right wing media in comparison, are far more organized and unified. Democrats and liberal media have managed to do a horrible job of expressing liberal ideology to the masses. For instance, the media on the right have managed to convince lots of people that healthcare reform is the tantamount on the grounds of socialism. If the left did a better job of controlling damage, and showing people WHY they would probably (likely!) like the idea of healthcare reform (even if it's NOT Obamacare), we could do a long way for making actual liberal legislature.

Instead, the left takes the hits incessantly like a bitch. It's not about turning people liberal, it's all about perception. Perception goes a long way.

And I'm sorry you don't want me to post in ur political threadz. Your wish is granted. I was merely just expressing ideas based on the video Bill Maher video, anyways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2010, 10:27:34 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/07/tea-party-favorites-rand-paul-jim-demint-budget-specifics_n_780043.html
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2010, 10:35:00 PM
This country is so fucked, man.

Still auctioning off space on my futon...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2010, 10:41:53 PM
Is it filled with milk?  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2010, 10:49:33 PM
Himumu, it doesn't matter.  The mainstream media could call the GOP on all of their bullshit, could flat out say "no, you're lying and here are the facts to prove it" and it's not going to matter to a majority of the people out there who are hooked into the Republican Alternate Reality Matrix where the elite media is full of lying liberals, Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist who wants to eat your children, and Sarah Palin is just a hardworkin' misunderstood Real Murikin.  These people have created a completely separate reality and we unfortunately have to live in it. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2010, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2010, 10:35:00 PM
This country is so fucked, man.

Still auctioning off space on my futon...

Do you accept pesos?

No.  Shit, we're 6 months from me not accepting your filthy worthless greenbacks.  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
Himumu:  Except the Democrats won huge two years ago and two years before that.  With both parties using basically the same media infrastructures that they used this cycle.

It's not that they did a brilliant job of marketing and then forgot how.  They just went from being the opposition party when the economy was shitty to being the incumbent party when the economy was still shitty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2010, 11:03:48 PM
You know, the way I saw it, 2008 felt like an exception to me. I almost feel the same way I do now I did in 2004. But you raise a good point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2010, 11:05:21 PM
Notice how the economy is still shitty, with a forecast for increased shittasticness for the foreseeable future.  It's almost like neither party is really serious about doing anything to benefit a majority of the country!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2010, 11:05:42 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2010, 10:45:54 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2010, 10:35:00 PM
This country is so fucked, man.

Still auctioning off space on my futon...

Do you accept pesos?

No.  Shit, we're 6 months from me not accepting your filthy worthless greenbacks.  :yuck

Well what the fuck am I going to do then? I already turned all my monopoly money into Mexican monopoly money. goddammit.

Will you accept french monopoly money?

You know, I just looked back a few pages, and realized that your first instinct for fleeing Jesusland was to go to Mexico.

For that, you're taken right off the list.  :wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2010, 11:21:38 PM
THE RALLY TO RESTORE VANITY: GENERATION X CELEBRATES ITS HOMERIC STRUGGLE AGAINST LAMENESS (http://exiledonline.com/the-rally-to-restore-vanity-generation-x-celebrates-its-homeric-struggle-against-lameness/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2010, 11:23:26 PM
Boogie, you know that I've always been almost Canadian anyway.  If it will score me points, I'll even stop saying terrible yet true things about poutine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2010, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 07, 2010, 11:23:26 PM
Boogie, you know that I've always been almost Canadian anyway.  If it will score me points, I'll even stop saying terrible yet true things about poutine.

You would make a perfect backwoods Albertan or British Columbian, methinks.  Not sure you'd fit in with us Ontarian folk.  But I'll nudge you near the top of the list anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 07, 2010, 11:26:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2010, 10:27:34 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/07/tea-party-favorites-rand-paul-jim-demint-budget-specifics_n_780043.html
 :lol

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm#Jobs

Rand Paul on Jobs:

No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2010, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2010, 11:21:38 PM
THE RALLY TO RESTORE VANITY: GENERATION X CELEBRATES ITS HOMERIC STRUGGLE AGAINST LAMENESS (http://exiledonline.com/the-rally-to-restore-vanity-generation-x-celebrates-its-homeric-struggle-against-lameness/)

tl;dr

Presumably it's about how those young people think they're so cool and ironic and don't you hate them.

But everyone I know who went to the rally also voted on Tuesday, and a lot of them have campaigned/donated/phonebanked in the past.  If there were any way to compare political participation of rallygoers against the average, I'd put money on the over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 08, 2010, 04:21:55 AM
Hendrik Hertzberg with one of the year's best political metaphors:

Quote
As for “the American people” themselves, it seems clear enough that their rejection of the Democrats was, above all, an expression of angry anxiety about the ongoing economic firestorm. Though ignited and fanned by an out-of-control financial industry and its (mostly) conservative political and intellectual enablers, the fire has burned hottest since the 2008 Democratic sweep. By the time the flames reached their height, the arsonists had slunk off, and only the firemen were left for people to take out their ire on.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/11/15/101115taco_talk_hertzberg#ixzz14gI0qDpA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2010, 11:02:52 AM
I do agree that the Dems should be more concise in their political message.  They're pretty sloppy in that regard.  But I also think it's a lot easier to be concise when your entire platform is "Go back to normal!"  Change is a lot harder to describe and sell.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 08, 2010, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Tristam on November 08, 2010, 04:21:55 AM
Hendrik Hertzberg with one of the year's best political metaphors:

Quote
As for “the American people” themselves, it seems clear enough that their rejection of the Democrats was, above all, an expression of angry anxiety about the ongoing economic firestorm. Though ignited and fanned by an out-of-control financial industry and its (mostly) conservative political and intellectual enablers, the fire has burned hottest since the 2008 Democratic sweep. By the time the flames reached their height, the arsonists had slunk off, and only the firemen were left for people to take out their ire on.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/11/15/101115taco_talk_hertzberg#ixzz14gI0qDpA

So once again, when republicans are elected, Americans are angry and confused. But when democrats are elected they unicorns are descending from the heavens on rainbow bridges.

Hopefully you guys will keep drinking that flavored koolade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2010, 11:49:29 AM
democrats aren't the ones mulling over getting rid of medicaid numb nuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 11:57:30 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 08, 2010, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Tristam on November 08, 2010, 04:21:55 AM
Hendrik Hertzberg with one of the year's best political metaphors:

Quote
As for “the American people” themselves, it seems clear enough that their rejection of the Democrats was, above all, an expression of angry anxiety about the ongoing economic firestorm. Though ignited and fanned by an out-of-control financial industry and its (mostly) conservative political and intellectual enablers, the fire has burned hottest since the 2008 Democratic sweep. By the time the flames reached their height, the arsonists had slunk off, and only the firemen were left for people to take out their ire on.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/11/15/101115taco_talk_hertzberg#ixzz14gI0qDpA

So once again, when republicans are elected, Americans are angry and confused. But when democrats are elected they unicorns are descending from the heavens on rainbow bridges.

Hopefully you guys will keep drinking that flavored koolade.

Gotta be the stupidest meme you've introduced us to lately. Where did you read it?

November 1980: were Americans happy? Yes
November 1982: were Americans happy? No
November 1984: were Americans happy? Yes
November 1986: were Americans happy? No

November 1992: were Americans happy? No
November 1994: were Americans happy? No
November 1996: were Americans happy? Yes
November 1998: were Americans happy? Yes

Take your victim complex somewhere else. 2010 was a referendum on the bad economy, and democrats. Americans were not happy, excited, positive about the future, etc. In 2008 people were quite hopeful, just as they were hopeful in 1980 only to be upset two years later. It has little to do with dems and reps, and more to do with the economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 11:57:30 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 08, 2010, 11:47:21 AM
Quote from: Tristam on November 08, 2010, 04:21:55 AM
Hendrik Hertzberg with one of the year's best political metaphors:

Quote
As for “the American people” themselves, it seems clear enough that their rejection of the Democrats was, above all, an expression of angry anxiety about the ongoing economic firestorm. Though ignited and fanned by an out-of-control financial industry and its (mostly) conservative political and intellectual enablers, the fire has burned hottest since the 2008 Democratic sweep. By the time the flames reached their height, the arsonists had slunk off, and only the firemen were left for people to take out their ire on.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/11/15/101115taco_talk_hertzberg#ixzz14gI0qDpA

So once again, when republicans are elected, Americans are angry and confused. But when democrats are elected they unicorns are descending from the heavens on rainbow bridges.

Hopefully you guys will keep drinking that flavored koolade.

Gotta be the stupidest meme you've introduced us to lately. Where did you read it?

November 1980: were Americans happy? Yes
November 1982: were Americans happy? No
November 1984: were Americans happy? Yes
November 1986: were Americans happy? No

November 1992: were Americans happy? No
November 1994: were Americans happy? No
November 1996: were Americans happy? Yes
November 1998: were Americans happy? Yes

Take your victim complex somewhere else. 2010 was a referendum on the bad economy, and democrats. Americans were not happy, excited, positive about the future, etc. In 2008 people were quite hopeful, just as they were hopeful in 1980 only to be upset two years later. It has little to do with dems and reps, and more to do with the economy.
PD, are you seriously arguing with a guy that can't spell Kool-Aid? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2010, 03:43:08 PM
rofl Ed, I just noticed that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2010, 04:57:06 PM
Quote
In a stunning display of bipartisanship, President Obama and the Republican Leadership have reached an historic compromise, agreeing to extend indefinitely the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthiest Americans, but allowing the President’s term to expire prematurely, sometime in mid-2011.

Mr. Obama hailed this agreement as an example of “how the two parties can meet in the middle and respond to the needs of the electorate — and without even having to spend taxpayer funds on a slurpee for Mitch McConnell, or a Merlot for Speaker-to-be Boehner.”

The President further emphasized that he had still “stood on principle, by not handing the ‘keys’ back to the Republicans,” but that he would instead “serve as their ‘designated driver,’ by personally driving the car back into the ditch.  Since the GOP  is now the party of Bachmann and Palin,” Mr. Obama added, “just think of it as Driving Miss Crazy.”

As part of the agreement, the President will also submit a resignation confessing that he’s a Muslim socialist who tried to replace the Constitution with the Koranic Manifesto, but will avoid the harshest demands made by FOX News and Rush Limbaugh: that he be deported to Kenya.

Senate Minority Leader McConnell indicated that he initially harbored some reservations about the agreement, since he “originally wanted to not only impeach the President, but to actually annul his first two years in office.” But McConnell made clear that he and GOP House leaders had moderated their demands with the taxpayers’ best interests at heart, “by saving money on the forest of paper we would’ve used for subpoenas.”

“Besides,” McConnell concluded, “this is much better than our original goal to limit Obama to one full term. After all, we Republicans think it’s an historic compromise to have the nation’s first black President serve only 3/5ths of a term.”


http://satiricalpolitical.com/2010/11/07/white-house-gop-compromise-bush-tax-cuts/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 04:59:15 PM
Hillary 2012 :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 08, 2010, 05:19:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 04:59:15 PM
Hillary 2012 :smug
Obama could switch Biden with Hillary and make Biden Sec of State (which is what he wanted more than VP in the first place) lolololol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 05:24:42 PM
nah, how about Hillary primary challenge Obama and we get a leader with balls :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 08, 2010, 05:30:07 PM
empty your inbox maurice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2010, 05:31:26 PM
aite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2010, 05:31:49 PM
empty your butthole, maurice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 08, 2010, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 08, 2010, 12:25:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 07, 2010, 09:38:13 PM
There's room for different rhetorical styles in a political movement, that serve different purposes.  There's no reason that Stewart, Krugman, Taibbi, Zakaria, etc. shouldn't coexist.  Convincing moderates, rallying the troops, bringing in youth, self-policing are all important functions and different writers and media figures are going have different audiences and fill different niches.

There is no magic language that would turn everyone liberal if only lefty pundits all started speaking it.  Even if there were what are you gonna do?  Call a huddle, and say "Okay guys, everyone is going to start talking the same way, okay?"  This is probably not gonna happen.

Here's the problem, Mandark.  Conservatives learned a long time ago to amalgamate these these groups and use them to lean each other to get specific messages across.  Take a look at Fox News, whose real brilliance is finding enough "experts" to back up the passion of Glenn Beck, Hannity etc.  Liberals seem opposed to take taking this whole approach, as if Krugman and Moore shouldn't have anything to do with each other ever even though politically they line up perfectly.

Pretty much this. Liberals seem to hate to prop up their peers, and in order to demonstrate their opposition to any sort of groupthink -- or at least demonstrate that they are "independent thinkers" -- they will frequently dismiss their peers or separate themselves from their fellow ideological pitchmen. "Oh, Krugman," says the academic hack called in to discuss Democratic positions on CNN. "Yeah, he's just a little too out there for me, haha."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 08, 2010, 08:59:05 PM
IMO, part of that probably has to do with the fact that anyone "left" means anyone who isn't right or far right.  Whereas the American "left" has the center-right, center, center-left, left, and far left.  With so many differing opinions, I'm not sure how pundits and media personalities can align.  The right has it much easier because it has smaller territory and therefore, the views are much more similar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2010, 12:06:05 AM
[youtube=560,345]92U5bznwr8o[/youtube]
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2010, 12:13:17 AM
Looks like the new head of the Govt. Oversight committee in the House has the right idea:  "hundreds" of hearings investigating Obama. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44850.html)

"Issa told POLITICO in an interview that he wants each of his seven subcommittees to hold “one or two hearings each week.”

“I want seven hearings a week times 40 weeks,” Issa said."

Glad these principled conservatives are focusing on trimming spending, upholding the Constitution, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2010, 12:25:33 AM
If I listen to Michael Jackson, am I co-signing his pedo behavior? Or if I listen to Rolling Stones/Beatles/Bob Dylan/stuffoldwhitepeoplelike am I co-signing drug use and drugs? I love how Fox always gets two black people with bad arguments to duke it out.

naz lost

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2010, 01:43:29 AM
I actually hope they try to impeach him. It will cause an explosion and they will be fucked in 2012, guaranteed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2010, 01:45:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2010, 12:25:33 AM
If I listen to Michael Jackson, am I co-signing his pedo behavior? Or if I listen to Rolling Stones/Beatles/Bob Dylan/stuffoldwhitepeoplelike am I co-signing drug use and drugs? I love how Fox always gets two black people with bad arguments to duke it out.

naz lost



Dear citizens of the world.

I am a satanist.

[youtube=560,345]DT1KRZOK4VE[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2010, 09:52:22 AM
A week to the day (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html)

Quote
In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says.

 :lol That didn't take long.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2010, 10:30:40 AM
Jesus Christ.  What a fucking joke.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2010, 11:19:59 AM
It's just another example that it's only pork when it's not spent in your district.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2010, 11:34:44 AM
Southern states love their pork and gubmint welfare
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2010, 01:19:09 PM
Quote
Greene, the unlikely Democratic Senate nominee in South Carolina who lost overwhelmingly to Republican Sen. Jim DeMint last week, called the state Democratic Party Tuesday to ask how much it would cost to run for president.

“Maybe. I’ll have to see,” Greene told POLITICO when asked whether he was considering filing to run for president. He confirmed that he called the state party on Tuesday to ask about the fee. The state party’s spokeswoman, Keiana Page, confirmed that someone called the party on Tuesday asking about the presidential filing fee, but said that the caller did not identify himself.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/44895.html#ixzz14oJk7bpi

I want a three way presidential debate between Obama, Palin, and Greene
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 09, 2010, 01:30:11 PM
lol he has to pay the filling fee in every state he wants to be on the ballot on I believe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 09, 2010, 01:45:33 PM
(http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/images/45/18/1763182/original_image.png?1276265136)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 09, 2010, 08:30:25 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 09, 2010, 09:52:22 AM
A week to the day (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575596591626268782.html)

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In a bigger shift from his campaign pledge to end earmarks, he tells me that they are a bad "symbol" of easy spending but that he will fight for Kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork, as long as it's doled out transparently at the committee level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. "I will advocate for Kentucky's interests," he says.

 :lol That didn't take long.

LOL but let's be serious, we all knew that tea partiers were going to participate in pork spending.  People bitch and cry about pork spending but if they don't partake, then people will bitch and cry about how their representative or senator doesn't care about them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on November 10, 2010, 05:43:03 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/11/01/101101fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/11/01/101101fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all)

Nice Hersh writeup about the OMG CYBER WARFARE hype/arms race, NSA scaremongering for power grabs and the military-cyber complex.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2010, 02:06:30 PM
horay bipartisanship

The White House's fiscal commission's co-chairs, Erskine Bowles and former-Sen. Alan Simpson today released their draft recommendations on how to reduce the country's budget deficit. But while the deficit, writ large, proved a potent political issue during the election season, the tough medicine recommended by Bowles and Simpson is likely to be met with more than a few raised eyebrows.
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Some of the recommendations:

Social Security cuts:

    * Index the retirement age to longevity -- i.e., increase the retirement age to qualify for Social Security -- to age 69 by 2075.
    * Index Social Security yearly increases to inflation rather than wages, which will generally mean lower cost of living increases and less money per average recipient.
    * "Increase progressivity of benefit formula" -- i.e., means test part of Social Security benefits by 2050.
    * Increase the Social Security contribution ceiling: while people only pay Social Security taxes on the first $106,800 of their wages today, that's only about 86% of the total potentially taxable wages. The co-chairs suggest raising the ceiling to capture 90% of wages.

Tax reform:

    * The co-chairs suggest capping both government expenditures and revenue at 21% of GDP eventually.
    * In their first plan, called "The Zero Plan," they suggest reducing the tax brackets to three personal brackets and one corporate rate while eliminated all credits and deductions. Without any credits or deductions (including the ETIC and mortgage interest deductions), the 3 tax rates would be 8, 14 and 23 percent.
    * In their second plan, they would increase the personal deduction to $15,000, create 3 tax brackets (15, 25 and 35%); repeal or significantly curtail a number of popular tax deductions (including the state and local deduction and the mortgage interest deduction); and eliminate other tax expenditures.
    * The third plan would force Congress to undertake comprehensive tax reform by 2012 by raising taxes for each year Congress fails to act.
    * All their proposals limit Congress to collecting taxes on income made within the United States, reducing or eliminating taxes on American expats and revenues companies earn abroad.
    * They also suggest raising the federal gas tax to 15 cents per gallon in 2013.

Medicaid/Medicare cuts

    * Force more low-income individuals into Medicaid managed care.
    * Increase Medicaid co-pays.
    * Accelerate already-planned cuts to Medicare Advantage and home health care programs.
    * Create a cap for Medicaid/Medicare growth that would force Congress and the President to increase premiums or co-pays or raise the Medicare eligibility age (among other options) if the system encounters cost overruns over the course of 5 years.

Discretionary spending cuts

    * Freeze federal worker wage increases through 2014; eliminate 200,000 federal jobs by 2020; and eliminate 250,000 federal non-defense contractor jobs by 2015.
    * Establish co-pays in the VA medical system and change the co-pays and deductibles for military retirees that remain in that system.

    * Eliminate NASA funding for commercial space flight.
    * Require the Smithsonian museums to start charging entrance fees and raise fees at the national parks.
    * Eliminate funding to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting -- which many conservatives suggested in the wake of the firing of former NPR contributor Juan Williams.
    * Reduce farm subsidies by $3 billion per year.


The report also recommends tort reform as a way to reduce Medicare and Medicaid expenditure
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/deficit-commission-co-chairs-simpson-and-bowles-release-eye-popping-recommendations.php


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2010, 02:49:27 PM
I agree with a lot of those, but yeah, not happening :lol

NASA commercial flights :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Cut top tax rate to 23% :rofl

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* All their proposals limit Congress to collecting taxes on income made within the United States, reducing or eliminating taxes on American expats and revenues companies earn abroad.

:wtf

So, in a nutshell, take away from the poor and lighten the load on the rich.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2010, 03:06:14 PM
* In their second plan, they would increase the personal deduction to $15,000, create 3 tax brackets (15, 25 and 35%); repeal or significantly curtail a number of popular tax deductions (including the state and local deduction and the mortgage interest deduction); and eliminate other tax expenditures.

I like this better.

Zero Hero, but aren't they basically saying they're getting rid of loopholes in order to lower the base tax bracket? I'd imagine there's a lot of funny math, but it's possible that with all the loopholes they'll end up paying more with a lower base tax rate.  but like I said, funny math and probably all bullshit theory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2010, 03:09:09 PM
So they want to cut farm subsidies by 15%.  HOW BOLD. 

Also, nothing about cutting defense spending.  GOOD JON, GUYS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
yeah i love how we're going to cut 250k federal jobs by 2015 as long as they're not defense contractors.  what did we expect from an administration with no balls though?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2010, 03:10:39 PM
The mortgage interest deduction is a huge one. If this passes, there is little reason to buy a house. but I bet this won't fly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2010, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2010, 03:09:09 PM
So they want to cut farm subsidies by 15%.  HOW BOLD. 

Also, nothing about cutting defense spending.  GOOD JON, GUYS.

they cut defense by $100 billion actually. Not that it will ever happen!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2010, 03:31:38 PM
...aaaaaand Lou Dobbs just signed with Fox.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 10, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
Boehner to Fly Commercial as House Speaker

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2010, 09:40:38 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on November 10, 2010, 09:34:23 PM
Boehner to Fly Commercial as House Speaker

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The fucking stupid things you seals will clap for.

btw (http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 10, 2010, 09:41:41 PM
Boner :bow

Real American.

Ohio values :bow

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2010, 09:47:00 PM
I didn't notice who posted that, and I thought SoF's post was by a librul member satirizing conservatives.   :-\



Anyways, that commission is probably DOA.  Those things only work if both sides are looking for the political cover to make unpopular decisions, like closing military bases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure,_2005).

My guess is that this will be as quickly forgotten as the Iraq Study Group.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
It's being touted as "Obama's Debt Commission" - so it'll probably be continuously spun as Obama sticking his fingers in his ears and not listening to the Washington Grown-ups™

Edit: Though if some of the recommendations might be untenable politically (raising SS age), it might be easier to just dismiss the whole thing.

Still editing: I'd like an actual analysis of how their revised brackets w/ no loopholes would actually effect revenue. I doubt it's something this commission seriously crunched numbers on besides cocktail napkin estimates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
If anything, the Commission represents the consensus among Washington Grown-ups™:  a bunch of deeply unpopular moves to close the deficit.  It looks a lot like something Robert Samuelson could have drawn up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 10, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
If anything, the Commission represents the consensus among Washington Grown-ups™:  a bunch of deeply unpopular moves to close the deficit.  It looks a lot like something Robert Samuelson could have drawn up.

My favorite quote on it has to be from Sully: 

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Much of it is way over my head in terms of the specifics of government programs and the ability to cut them. But the core proposal is honest, real, and vital

Sounds awesome!  Can't wait to hear what David Brooks thinks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2010, 10:43:59 PM
The farm subsidies cut is absolutely mind boggling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2010, 11:09:47 PM
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Unserious People

OK, let’s say goodbye to the deficit commission. If you’re sincerely worried about the US fiscal future — and there’s good reason to be — you don’t propose a plan that involves large cuts in income taxes. Even if those cuts are offset by supposed elimination of tax breaks elsewhere, balancing the budget is hard enough without giving out a lot of goodies — goodies that fairly obviously, even without having the details, would go largely to the very affluent.

I mean, what’s this about? There is no — zero — evidence that income taxes at current rates are an important drag on growth.

Oh, and they’re talking about raising the retirement age, because people live longer — except that the people who really depend on Social Security, those in the bottom half of the distribution, aren’t living much longer. So you’re going to tell janitors to work until they’re 70 because lawyers are living longer than ever.

Still, I guess this is what it takes to get compromise, if by compromise you mean something the center-right and the hard right can agree on.

Update: It’s here. And it really is that bad. The idea that co-chairs of a commission whose charge is fiscal sustainability should take it upon themselves to (a) declare that federal revenue must not exceed 21 percent of GDP — that’s right, putting a cap on receipts and (b) call for reducing the top rate from 35 to 23 is just awesome.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/unserious-people-2/

who thought this was a good idea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 10, 2010, 11:14:32 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 10, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
yeah i love how we're going to cut 250k federal jobs by 2015 as long as they're not defense contractors.  what did we expect from an administration with no balls though?

WHEW! Safe for now...

:rock military-industrial complex :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2010, 11:16:08 PM
How do you put a cap on federal revenue like that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2010, 11:26:02 PM
iirc it hovers around 17-20% on average in the US. A budget deficit commission putting a cap on federal revenue makes no sense, and is out of bounds in fact.

edit: just saw this

'Its like my accountant telling me how much my income should be'
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/11/the_cochairs_peculiar_tax_cap.html

Makes the point perfectly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2010, 11:53:45 PM
At this point we DESERVE to be turned into a Chinese fiefdom.  Of course, if we give it another couple years of this stupidity not even they're gonna want us as a debtor state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2010, 12:01:39 AM
The draft --> http://www.scribd.com/doc/41938621/CoChair-Draft

Page 25, if I'm reading it right, is a chart showing that the rich benefit more than anyone from tax carve-outs.  The implicit message is that the lower top rate will be balanced out by getting rid of all the exemptions and credits (and by treating dividends/capital gains as regular income, which I totally support).

I'd have to see the numbers crunched by someone I trust before believing that, though.  And getting rid of the EITC and standard exemptions makes it a pretty huge tax raise on the working poor, unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 11, 2010, 12:07:25 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2010, 11:53:45 PM
At this point we DESERVE to be turned into a Chinese fiefdom.  Of course, if we give it another couple years of this stupidity not even they're gonna want us as a debtor state.
It's refered to as 'Capatilism with an asian flavour'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2010, 12:18:27 AM
I prefer "General Dow's Chicken"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2010, 03:14:15 AM
Good news, guys. Obama came up with the perfect compromise regarding the Bush tax cuts: Give the republicans everything they want and not get anything in return: (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/white-house-gives-in-on-bush-tax-cuts_n_781992.html)

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President Barack Obama's top adviser suggested to The Huffington Post late Wednesday that the administration is ready to accept an across-the-board continuation of steep Bush-era tax cuts, including those for the wealthiest taxpayers.

That appears to be the only way, said David Axelrod, that middle-class taxpayers can keep their tax cuts, given the legislative and political realities facing Obama in the aftermath of last week's electoral defeat.

"We have to deal with the world as we find it," Axelrod said during an unusually candid and reflective 90-minute interview in his office, steps away from the Oval Office. "The world of what it takes to get this done."

"There are concerns," he added, that Congress will continue to kick the can down the road in the future by passing temporary extensions for the wealthy time and time again. "But I don't want to trade away security for the middle class in order to make that point."

At least he's remaining firm on his troop drawing down schedule in Iraq.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2010, 03:57:42 AM
Is anyone truly surprised? For all the tough talk coming from the WH, at the end of the day the ball was always in the republican's court; if a decision or compromise wasn't made, the taxes go up in January and Obama gets the blame.

Should have acted before the midterms, back when every single poll showed dems were winning on the issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 11, 2010, 07:32:33 AM
The default Democrat position is the fetal position.

Better get used to it these next couple of years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 11, 2010, 09:18:59 AM
I saw a good point about just how regressive raising the SS age would be - lifespans aren't rising across the board and are largely tied to one's socio-economic status.

Which means janitors are going to have to work longer because lawyers and engineers are living longer. smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 11, 2010, 11:04:24 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 11, 2010, 09:18:59 AM
I saw a good point about just how regressive raising the SS age would be - lifespans aren't rising across the board and are largely tied to one's socio-economic status.

Which means janitors are going to have to work longer because lawyers and engineers are living longer. smh.

Of course, SS hurts minorities with lower than average life explecantcies. But nobody wants to have a serious discussion about SS (on either side)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2010, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 11, 2010, 11:04:24 AM
Of course, SS hurts minorities with lower than average life explecantcies. But nobody wants to have a serious discussion about SS (on either side)

So you think we should change government policy in order to help marginalized minority groups?  That's quite a change from when you argued against the Civil Rights Act.  Welcome to the liberal fold!

But doesn't it seem more natural to focus on closing that life expectancy gap rather than deciding that minorities don't need to worry about retirement?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
Hahahaha, if Obama caves on that he has lost a vote in 2012 and not only that, but the democratic party has lost a member. I'm going independent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
Haven't you been banging on and on about not voting already?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebs on November 11, 2010, 02:56:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 11, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
Haven't you been banging on and on about not voting already?
Since the day after Obama was elected basically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 11, 2010, 04:05:22 PM
himu thinks his vote matters :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2010, 07:39:45 PM
"Hey Himu, did you vote?"
"Nope, too busy playing FFXV"
"But Obama didn't cave on the tax cuts remember?"
"Nope, was too busy playing FFXIII"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 11, 2010, 08:30:22 PM
I'm calling it now. Obama extends everyone's tax cut and the next day some tard on fox news will say that he is just adding to the deficit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 12, 2010, 12:54:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2010, 07:39:45 PM
"Hey Himu, did you vote?"
"Nope, too busy playing FFXV"
"But Obama didn't cave on the tax cuts remember?"
"Nope, was too busy playing FFXIII"

Totally fictional scenario... by the time FFXV comes out, Obama won't even be in office anymore :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2010, 01:13:57 AM
not true considering it'll be for the 3DS :p
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2010, 07:33:49 PM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/thats_the_mandate.php?ref=fpblg

mandark/willco/etc explain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 12, 2010, 07:55:12 PM
sounds like treason to me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 12, 2010, 11:08:50 PM
It's only treason when it's against a republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 12, 2010, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2010, 07:33:49 PM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/thats_the_mandate.php?ref=fpblg

mandark/willco/etc explain

I don't know what you're talking about.

*Calls in a ZOG cleanup team to deal with PD*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 13, 2010, 03:14:58 AM
To be fair that could've come from almost any Republican's mouth, not just Cantor because he's Jewish. Actually, I'm surprised he went there and didn't just leave it to the Rapture freaks. They may "like" jews, but they don't "like like" jews.

BTW, we're long overdue for an :israelcry emoticon, no teared mascot jumps out at me, but maybe Yitzhak Rabin would do. Discuss.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 13, 2010, 01:24:29 PM
a hooknosed jew banker crying, duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/14/obama-to-detain-ksm-indefinitely-without-trial-at-all/

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 15, 2010, 11:11:34 AM
Can we all agree that it's about time people are pushing back at the TSA security measures?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
you first Indy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 15, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/10982_sarahpalinsalaskarealityshowbestmoments;_ylt=ApsFDVVqaWTokobsT3yMs7ms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTRwcWxoNnQ3BGFzc2V0A2RhaWx5YmVhc3QvMjAxMDExMTUvMTA5ODJfc2FyYWhwYWxpbnNhbGFza2FyZWFsaXR5c2hvd2Jlc3Rtb21lbnRzBGNjb2RlA21vc3Rwb3B1bGFyBGNwb3MDNARwb3MDMQRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrAzVtb3N0aGlsYXJpbw--

wait wait wait, Sarah Palin has a reality show???? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 15, 2010, 01:38:36 PM
This is the most annoying women ever.  Holy fuck her voice is shrill and grating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2010, 04:41:44 PM
James O'Keefe (the kid who did those ACORN videos) goes after teachers unions in New Jersey.  One teacher tells a story about another teacher keeping their job after calling a student "distinguished black fellow".  The audio is leaked, and the first teacher is suspended, for being recorded using the word.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/15/okeefe-video-smears-teacher/

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2010, 04:48:12 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/15/mitch-mcconnell-earmark-ban_n_783767.html

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During a recent appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation," McConnell expressed doubt over the ability of an earmark ban to advance spending reduction initiatives.

"The problem is, it doesn't save any money," explained the explained the Senate leader. "What we really need to do is to concentrate on reducing spending and reducing debt. And this debate doesn't save any money, which is why it is kind of exasperating to some of us who really want to cut spending."


See Beardo, this is why I hate republicans. They run on reckless spending then say it doesn't save any money, by spending.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2010, 04:49:15 PM
So what's the intended message here. Racist teacher union member uses the n word, covers up for fellow racist teacher union member? Payback for Dr. Laura? Liberalz more racist than conservatives blah blah blah?

This guy is a class A asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2010, 05:13:24 PM
No message, the goal is to spread enough FUD that it eventually seeps into the "real" news and gets covered by the MSM and Very Serious People in Washington weigh in on it on the Sunday shows.  Meanwhile, please don't pay attention to the fact that the richest people in the country have been systematically looting the vault for 30 years now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 15, 2010, 07:49:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 15, 2010, 05:13:24 PM
No message, the goal is to spread enough FUD that it eventually seeps into the "real" news and gets covered by the MSM and Very Serious People in Washington weigh in on it on the Sunday shows.  Meanwhile, please don't pay attention to the fact that the richest people in the country have been systematically looting the vault for 30 years now.

These richest people in the country?


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/dc/7-of-10-richest-counties-in-dc.html
 (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/dc/7-of-10-richest-counties-in-dc.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2010, 08:13:15 PM
...

I miss FoC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2010, 09:26:58 PM
Yeah, I don't even know what point beardo's trying to make.  FoC was just wrong, but this guy is inscrutable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2010, 11:51:33 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/freshman-goper-hey-wheres-my-health-care.php

It's gonna be a fun two years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2010, 03:02:49 PM
My company just had their (shitty)benefits meeting and shockingly, premiums have gone up! :o

Guess who's fault this is despite huge premium increases before HCR was passed?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2010, 07:46:30 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 16, 2010, 03:02:49 PM
My company just had their (shitty)benefits meeting and shockingly, premiums have gone up! :o

Guess who's fault this is despite huge premium increases before HCR was passed?

Did you ever think that maybe they increased the premiums in preparation for the job killing effects that may have resulted from Cap and Trade being passed?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2010, 09:57:24 PM
As of today, I don't think that happened.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2010, 11:46:14 PM
So I'm reading this (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/opinion/07kristof.html?_r=4&utm_source=Twitterfeed) (hat tip Prole), and I see #7 on the "most popular" sidebar is David Brooks: The Two Cultures (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/opinion/16brooks.html?src=me&ref=general).

I'm saving my blood pressure by not reading it, but at this point he's either deliberately doing self-parody, or he's trolling me personally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2010, 11:49:26 PM
First sentence

Quote
Many of the psychologists, artists and moral philosophers I know are liberal, so it seems strange that American liberalism should adopt an economic philosophy that excludes psychology, emotion and morality.

Yup, trolling
Title: What are Buddy and Sally, chopped liver?
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2010, 12:08:22 AM
He also wrote a piece explaining how because sitcoms now focus on loose groups of acquaintances rather than families, we (he) can reach sweeping conclusions about the nature of changing American culture.

The best part is he cited The Dick Van Dyke Show, the seminal workplace TV comedy, as an example of a family sitcom.

Someone explain to me why everyone doesn't hate him, Ben Affleck 2005 style.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 12:25:54 AM
Whatever happened to the days when families left their doors unlocked, the better to allow the loving yet eccentric neighbor to bust in and tell everyone how his day in middle America went?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on November 17, 2010, 04:38:18 AM
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/cut-the-defense-budget-over-my-cold-dead-gavel/ (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/cut-the-defense-budget-over-my-cold-dead-gavel/)

Quote
In his first post-election speech, Rep. Buck McKeon, the California Republican who’s about to become the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, warned that cutting defense spending was a “red line for me and should be a red line for all Americans.” Speaking to the conservative Foreign Policy Institute in Washington, McKeon argued that the Pentagon’s projected one percent real growth in the defense budget over the next five years “is a net cut for investment and procurement accounts.”

...

“A defense budget in decline portends an America in decline,” McKeon said, arguing that cuts will have geopolitical consequences, “undermin[ing] our ability to project power, strengthen our adversaries and weaken our alliances.”

...

During a post-speech press conference, McKeon didn’t sound like he was out to cut any specific programs. He reminded reporters that he supports the funding of a second engine for the F-35, something both Obama and Gates consider unnecessary. With all the talk of cuts, he said, “pretty soon, my concern is that we end up back with a bow and arrow.”

 ::)
Title: Re: What are Buddy and Sally, chopped liver?
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 17, 2010, 05:02:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 17, 2010, 12:08:22 AM
He also wrote a piece explaining how because sitcoms now focus on loose groups of acquaintances rather than families, we (he) can reach sweeping conclusions about the nature of changing American culture.

The best part is he cited The Dick Van Dyke Show, the seminal workplace TV comedy, as an example of a family sitcom.

Someone explain to me why everyone doesn't hate him, Ben Affleck 2005 style.

Maybe because they're too busy eating at Applebee's saladbars :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 17, 2010, 07:34:40 AM
http://www.theonion.com/video/obama-replaces-costly-highspeed-rail-plan-with-hig,18473/ (http://www.theonion.com/video/obama-replaces-costly-highspeed-rail-plan-with-hig,18473/)

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 17, 2010, 09:14:28 AM
I'm soooooo happy that all this TSA groping is causing a huge brouhaha.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 01:00:49 PM
Why? Have you forgotten 911?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 17, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
You see Maurice, now that a black Democrat is President, stuff like this is governmental intrusion on our liberties, whereas before it was necessary to beating the terrorists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 17, 2010, 02:07:43 PM
If a mall cop can't fully cup both of my testicles, the terrorists truly have won.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 17, 2010, 02:09:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 01:00:49 PM
Why? Have you forgotten 911?

Shit... I knew I forgot something.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on November 17, 2010, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 16, 2010, 11:46:14 PM
So I'm reading this (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/opinion/07kristof.html?_r=4&utm_source=Twitterfeed) (hat tip Prole), and I see #7 on the "most popular" sidebar is David Brooks: The Two Cultures (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/16/opinion/16brooks.html?src=me&ref=general).

I'm saving my blood pressure by not reading it, but at this point he's either deliberately doing self-parody, or he's trolling me personally.

 :lol

I read that yesterday and immediately thought of you. It's even worse than you imagine it to be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 17, 2010, 09:46:34 PM
Ron Paul introduces legislation, HR 6416, to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees conducting screenings at the nation's airports.

Pass this shit before they start handing out prostate exams.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 17, 2010, 11:12:39 PM
I'm the brown guy who gets a pat-down EVERY TIME I go through security starting at the beginning of my puberty years and now, republicans think that might be wrong?  suck a dick.

wtf, I don't even think it was a big invasion of privacy.  It was just hypocritical.  distinguished mentally-challenged "independents" flip-flopping to get these asshats back in control of something and now they immediately slide both thumbs up all our asses and say it's good for us, cock-gobblers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 11:30:08 PM
I'd let a middle aged man grope my balls if it ensured no dumbass got on my plane with explosives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2010, 11:47:57 PM
A takedown of Brooks' latest
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/the-importance-of-models/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 18, 2010, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 17, 2010, 11:12:39 PM
I'm the brown guy who gets a pat-down EVERY TIME I go through security starting at the beginning of my puberty years and now, republicans think that might be wrong?  suck a dick.

wtf, I don't even think it was a big invasion of privacy.  It was just hypocritical.  distinguished mentally-challenged "independents" flip-flopping to get these asshats back in control of something and now they immediately slide both thumbs up all our asses and say it's good for us, cock-gobblers.

You're going through puberty, got it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 18, 2010, 06:47:48 AM
If am nintenho is as incoherent in real life as he is on the internet, I could see how he might raise enough suspicion to warrant a search.

Anyway, I'd let a TSA employee cup my balls any time ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 09:15:57 AM
Porn for liberals.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.drudgereport.com/tsa3.jpg)
Does it get any better than a federal worker touching your balls? Perhaps if Al gore was butt fucking you at the same time? But we can't ask for everything can we.


[close]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on November 18, 2010, 09:40:39 AM
Porn for Beardo:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=77140&type=travel (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=77140&type=travel)

:drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 18, 2010, 09:48:18 AM
It's safe to fly now guys. Beardo and his conservative ilk have deemed it so. That is, until the next bomb scare, then it's Obama's fault for the relaxing of security.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 09:59:30 AM
Quote
Ron Paul introduces legislation, HR 6416, to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employees conducting screenings at the nation's airports.

Pass this shit before they start handing out prostate exams.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944 (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944)

You can actually tell he believes in what he is saying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 18, 2010, 01:00:45 PM
And the bill is 2000+ pages shorter than the health care reform bill.  That means Nancy Pelosi can actually read it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 18, 2010, 01:01:50 PM
Republican Senators too!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 18, 2010, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 17, 2010, 07:34:40 AM
http://www.theonion.com/video/obama-replaces-costly-highspeed-rail-plan-with-hig,18473/ (http://www.theonion.com/video/obama-replaces-costly-highspeed-rail-plan-with-hig,18473/)

:usacry

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/traffic/2010/05/ehrlich_would_scrap_red_line_p.html

Onion -> Reality -> Onion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 18, 2010, 03:00:49 PM
Ethics chief counsel recommends censure for Rangel

WASHINGTON – The House ethics committee's chief counsel recommended Thursday that veteran Rep. Charles Rangel be censured for financial and fundraising misconduct as lawmakers neared closure on an embarrassing 2 1/2-year-long scandal.

Chief counsel Blake Chisam called for the punishment despite the veteran New York congressman's plea, in a prepared statement in advance of the hearing, for "a drop of fairness and mercy."

All he wants is a drop of mercy, just a drop.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 18, 2010, 03:23:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 18, 2010, 01:55:49 PM
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/129723-house-gop-to-force-vote-on-npr-defunding (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/129723-house-gop-to-force-vote-on-npr-defunding)

Why aren't we talking about the right crowdsourcing legislation?

They've gotten a lot better at it since the America Speaking Out site when they let people post ideas themselves.  That resulted in the inevitable craziness and liberal sabotage.  Now they're picking the available options themselves, which guarantees none of the choices will offend their base or make any serious progress towards a balanced budget.


What's interesting to me is how NPR's a target.  Part of this is just a general distrust of public arts and broadcasting (I think the Gingrich GOP tried to defund PBS and the NEA).  But NPR's gotten much, much more popular (http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/134/finely-tuned.html) the last decade, with that growth coming mostly from effete liberal professional types, so conservatives are starting to see NPR as part of the Giant Liberal Media Conspiracy.

Take it away, Roger:

Quote from: Roger Ailes, chairman of Fox News
They are, of course, Nazis. They have a kind of Nazi attitude. They are the left wing of Nazism. These guys don’t want any other point of view. They don’t even feel guilty using tax dollars to spout their propaganda. They are basically Air America with government funding to keep them alive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 18, 2010, 04:39:00 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on November 18, 2010, 12:23:09 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 17, 2010, 11:12:39 PM
I'm the brown guy who gets a pat-down EVERY TIME I go through security starting at the beginning of my puberty years and now, republicans think that might be wrong?  suck a dick.

wtf, I don't even think it was a big invasion of privacy.  It was just hypocritical.  distinguished mentally-challenged "independents" flip-flopping to get these asshats back in control of something and now they immediately slide both thumbs up all our asses and say it's good for us, cock-gobblers.

You're going through puberty, got it.
Pat-downs aren't invasive.  If you are honestly in some way offended when a person who does dozens of pat-downs a day randomly chooses you to step aside for a pat-down then your priorities are screwed up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 04:42:23 PM
Perhaps you the one that is screwed up when you dont mind that complete strangers fondle your ball sack in the middle of a busy public area.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 18, 2010, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 04:42:23 PM
Perhaps you the one that is screwed up when you dont mind that complete strangers fondle your ball sack in the middle of a busy public area.
That's such a distinguished mentally-challenged point I don't know how you could feel anybody cares about your opinion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 18, 2010, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 04:42:23 PM
Perhaps you the one that is screwed up when you dont mind that complete strangers fondle your ball sack in the middle of a busy public area.

I fondled no ball sacks when I did pat downs for a week last January.  :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 18, 2010, 04:59:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 04:42:23 PM
Perhaps you the one that is screwed up when you dont mind that complete strangers fondle your ball sack in the middle of a busy public area.

I fondled no ball sacks when I did pat downs for a week last January.  :teehee

From what people are saying TSA has changed their policy to cup breasts and the crotch area. I dont know when they made that change.

But hey at least you got some action right boogie?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 18, 2010, 05:05:59 PM
Jesus fucking Christ you mouthbreathing fucktard, HE'S FUCKING CANADIAN.  So he wouldn't have worked for the TSA.

I swear, conservatives should quit bitching about "uppity intellectuals" and spend that time and energy learning shit.  Fucking knowledge and facts are like cryptonite to your stupid ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 18, 2010, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 18, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
From what people are saying TSA has changed their policy to cup breasts and the crotch area. I dont know when they made that change.

I'm beginning to think this is the only way some of these guys ever get any action.  Handjobs from TSA agents.  Obama and the congress should be required to go through the same screening.  What they should be worried about is air cargo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2010, 07:22:50 PM
why is the "public funds for npr" meme still alive? don't we have a media to fact check bullshit?

oh wait we don't
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2010, 07:30:05 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/ann-coulter-gets-owned-by-fox-legal-analyst-asks-hannity-to-cut-his-mic.php?ref=fpb
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 18, 2010, 09:54:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2010, 07:30:05 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/ann-coulter-gets-owned-by-fox-legal-analyst-asks-hannity-to-cut-his-mic.php?ref=fpb
 :lol

Maybe she got offended when an agent cupped her Adam's Apple.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on November 18, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
If only there were a way to profile dangerous ideologues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2010, 11:54:36 PM
Sign found at the local airport:

"If you are:

-Wearing a turban
-Wearing a long, sleeveless cloak
-Have tanned skin
-Thick beard
-And an odd bulge centered around your waist

Please go stand in line 'C'."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 19, 2010, 06:11:50 AM
Republicans will consider ball cupping at the airport to be patriotic and necessary for security once President Romney and Vice President Bachmann continues the policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 19, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
I know right. It's almost as if they believe muslims are the only people that hijack planes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2010, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 19, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
I know right. It's almost as if they believe muslims are the only people that hijack planes.

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 19, 2010, 02:05:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 19, 2010, 01:35:51 PM
Fun fact, when they search people and luggage they aren't just looking for terrorist threats.  I know, weird right?

well, last year they were definitely searching for my camera or anything of similar or greater value

and they got it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2010, 02:10:24 PM
[youtube=560,345]4-mZtdI7-hY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2010, 02:18:47 PM
It really irritates me that Obama not wanting to give tax cuts to the rich is being billed [by Fox News, ect.] as Obama not wanting to give tax cuts to the poor [because the Rebs. are stalling his plan entirely, thus there's no tax cuts for anyone].
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 19, 2010, 03:18:47 PM
The assault on NPR and its funding has got me a bit miffed. This whole thing has turned people who've only tuned in in passing to become experts on its programing and what they're really about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f618ab65970b-550wi)

(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f618ac1e970b-550wi)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 19, 2010, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f618ab65970b-550wi)

(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f618ac1e970b-550wi)

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 19, 2010, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 19, 2010, 06:28:47 PM
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f618ab65970b-550wi)

(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f618ac1e970b-550wi)

Utter devastation. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2010, 08:13:19 PM
Quote
Apparently the "DC handlers" sent to help Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle wouldn't let her staff air this crappy ad. It shows old people scouring the desert for Social Security money. Was it too comically amateurish, or not racist enough?
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/the-dumb-social-security-ad-sharron-angle-never-aired-video.php?ref=fpblg

[youtube=560,345]StxlCF5_z1o[/youtube]
no fucking way :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 19, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2010, 08:13:19 PM
Quote
Apparently the "DC handlers" sent to help Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle wouldn't let her staff air this crappy ad. It shows old people scouring the desert for Social Security money. Was it too comically amateurish, or not racist enough?
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/the-dumb-social-security-ad-sharron-angle-never-aired-video.php?ref=fpblg

[youtube=560,345]StxlCF5_z1o[/youtube]
no fucking way :rofl

I love you, America.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on November 19, 2010, 09:27:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2010, 08:13:19 PM
Quote
Apparently the "DC handlers" sent to help Nevada Senate candidate Sharron Angle wouldn't let her staff air this crappy ad. It shows old people scouring the desert for Social Security money. Was it too comically amateurish, or not racist enough?
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/the-dumb-social-security-ad-sharron-angle-never-aired-video.php?ref=fpblg

[youtube=560,345]StxlCF5_z1o[/youtube]
no fucking way :rofl

Speechless.

And the menacing music is something out of Fallout. I'm guessing all those old people had the Wild Wasteland perk :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]vhBYGX61zxM[/youtube]
 :lol

c'mon Obama, listen to Biden more
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 19, 2010, 11:04:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2010, 10:44:53 PM
[youtube=560,345]vhBYGX61zxM[/youtube]
 :lol

c'mon Obama, listen to Biden more

As shitty as the Nov. 2010 elections were, I pray for a Palin/Obama matchup in 2012.  That's just a gimme.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2010, 11:33:16 PM
Best possible thing about a Palin '12 nomination:  Self-styled intellectual conservatives like David Brooks and George Will coming up with increasingly convoluted and implausible reasons why she'd make a fine president.


Worst possible thing about a Palin '12 nomination:  President Sarah Palin; being caught in the middle of the pile of manmeat that will be Boogie's couch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2010, 11:35:09 PM
EVERYONE ON THE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE MANPILE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2010, 11:43:11 PM
Can I just say that I find it pretty fuckin shameful that we're freaking out over airport scans when the government has kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured, and killed tons of people with the same national security justification?  Activities which are basically supported by a majority of Americans, at that.

It's not surprising at all that people are a lot more upset about inconveniences to themselves (or to people they identify with) than they are about atrocities committed against others.  But it still pisses me off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 19, 2010, 11:47:29 PM
 :rofl

Shit, Mandark, there's a level of stupid (without a corresponding level of hotness) where even I won't be able to get it up for a celebrity hatefuck.  I leave those honours for Creepy Old Guy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Malkin gets admitted to the couch.  Coulter does not.  Also admitted:  That insane psycho bitch from the New York Post (or is it NY Daily News?) I've seen on CNN a few times in the past month.  Don't know her name, but.... :drool
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2010, 12:02:20 AM
Holy shit @ that Sharon Angle ad. Never has Bill Maher's characterization of the teabaggers being an army of zombie mall walkers under Glenn Beck been more appropriate.

Quote from: Boogie on November 19, 2010, 11:47:29 PM
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Malkin gets admitted to the couch.  Coulter does not.  Also admitted:  That insane psycho bitch from the New York Post (or is it NY Daily News?) I've seen on CNN a few times in the past month.  Don't know her name, but.... :drool
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I think you may be thinking of S.E. Cupp. Bitch could use a good rapin'.   :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 20, 2010, 12:06:57 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 20, 2010, 12:02:20 AM

I think you may be thinking of S.E. Cupp. Bitch could use a good rapin'.   :heart

Oh yeah, that's her.

She's been a very naughty girl, and needs to be punished.  :hump :hump :hump

so long as she keeps her gawdamned mouth shut apart from the moans and screams.   :yuck

edit:  ya, not the "rapin'" part tho.  I mean, dude, c'mon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
Boogie:  Semicolon!  The gag was that we all move into your apartment after she wins.  Though I agree, and throw in Mike Orlando's observation years ago (vis Jessica Simpson?) that if a woman's dumb enough, it has the same erotic effect as if she were constantly letting out loud, wet farts.

Oblivion: ...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 20, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
Oblivion: ...

What? I was talking about the good kind of rape.  ???

edit: Holy shit, I can't believe I have to preface that comment by saying I'm joking. Thought the emoticon gave it away...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 20, 2010, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 20, 2010, 12:08:38 AM
Boogie:  Semicolon!  The gag was that we all move into your apartment after she wins.  

argh, dammit!  I can't be expected to pick up on grammar-based wit past 9:30pm on a Friday!

Quote
Though I agree, and throw in Mike Orlando's observation years ago (vis Jessica Simpson?) that if a woman's dumb enough, it has the same erotic effect as if she were constantly letting out loud, wet farts.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 12:36:06 AM
Of all the babes on Fox you guys pick the average nerd. You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darlings

[youtube=560,345]dydcmwory4k
[/youtube]
unf unf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 20, 2010, 12:43:45 AM
It's embarrassing how casual and unprofessional the people on Fox are. Most of these people wouldn't even cut it at a local affiliate in a bigger market.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 20, 2010, 01:02:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 12:36:06 AM
Of all the babes on Fox you guys pick the average nerd. You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darlings

[youtube=560,345]dydcmwory4k
[/youtube]
unf unf

Okay, yes, she's smoking.  But she's not as aggravatingly douchy to inspire hatefucking desires.

Cupp seems to meld the perfect storm of hotness + glasses + being mind-numbingly distinguished mentally-challenged and aggravating such that the only rational response to interacting with her must be to find a way to bed her.  I mean, there is no other motivation for any male to spend more than 26 seconds in the same room as her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 02:50:11 AM
So what you're really saying is you want to bang Sarah Palin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2010, 03:36:41 AM
Meh, that yellow chick isn't that hot.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hTv-nHoxjE[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wUin6Ul6Cw[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlqYr8IsEgE[/youtube]

:drool :drool :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 20, 2010, 03:57:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 02:50:11 AM
So what you're really saying is you want to bang Sarah Palin

no no no

a thousand times no...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 20, 2010, 04:00:52 AM
.whoops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 20, 2010, 12:22:23 PM
Based on those videos, I think S.E. Cupp must be a shortened form Sippy Cupp.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 01:50:29 PM
holy shit she's obnoxious

but i would still smash  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2010, 10:58:03 PM
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/11/20/tsa-pat-down-leaves-bladder-cancer-survivor-covered-in-urine/

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 21, 2010, 09:52:50 AM
[youtube=560,345]XSQTz1bccL4[/youtube]

This is the sickest fucking thing I have seen in a long time. I want to vomit after watching this. They are conditioning us to submit from childhood now.

The worst part is that the father just stands there. If anyone tries this on my kid, there will be hell to pay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 21, 2010, 10:16:57 AM
Imma save these Retardlican outrage quotes to be used later when TSA ball cupping and strip searches will be justified under a Republican leadership by the same ninnies who are criticizing the TSA now.

Also I'd plow S.E. Cupp.  She's annoying and ill informed.  She's just another attractive woman who was never called on her BS when growing up and is now emboldened whenever someone criticizes her (aka "the hataz can't stand mah swagger").  In other words, another Sarah Palin or Hasselbeck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 21, 2010, 10:41:17 AM
This quote made me chuckle:

Quote
Rep. Pete Sessions (R., Texas), a senior member of the Republican leadership who coordinated the GOP House campaigns, suggested that it would be different when Republicans raise the debt limit than when Democrats did it.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/11/18/boehner-warns-gop-on-debt-ceiling/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Fwashwire%2Ffeed+%28WSJ.com%3A+Washington+Wire

It ties into my earlier post about how some people are fine with Republican debt but not Democrat debt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2010, 06:26:22 PM
manabyte devastated:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/11/21/922282/-A-Message-to-Cenk-Uygur

*responding to http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/11/20/922221/-A-Message-To-President-Obama

Never liked Uygur, and I haaate when I click on an interesting looking youtube video only for it to be a Young Turks video of them discussing said video
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 21, 2010, 09:42:07 PM
Cenk is one of the most reasonable, and awesome liberal nazis ever. That guy's response to him is silly and he's gay. Don't be hatin', PD! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
I don't know who this Uygur guy is, but that piece he wrote is straight up dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2010, 10:13:00 PM
cenk uygur's fun, like a slightly less coherent but also less profane matt taibbi, but this time, he just got dropped by what i assume is r.a. "driz'zt do'urden" salvatore? :o :o :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2010, 11:25:40 PM
Yup Drizzy in the flesh, a full blown liberal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2010, 11:40:59 PM
that's gotta hurt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 21, 2010, 11:43:52 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 21, 2010, 09:52:50 AM
[youtube=560,345]XSQTz1bccL4[/youtube]

This is the sickest fucking thing I have seen in a long time. I want to vomit after watching this. They are conditioning us to submit from childhood now.

The worst part is that the father just stands there. If anyone tries this on my kid, there will be hell to pay.

why do you hate 9/11, traitor
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 22, 2010, 12:28:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 21, 2010, 10:05:28 PM
I don't know who this Uygur guy is, but that piece he wrote is straight up dumb.
Didn't he also name his son Prometheus? smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2010, 12:29:47 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 21, 2010, 09:52:50 AM
[youtube=560,345]XSQTz1bccL4[/youtube]

This is the sickest fucking thing I have seen in a long time. I want to vomit after watching this. They are conditioning us to submit from childhood now.

The worst part is that the father just stands there. If anyone tries this on my kid, there will be hell to pay.

(http://www.angryblacklady.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TSA-wants-to-feel-you-up.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 01:04:55 AM
How can everyone just stand there? Especially the boys father?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2010, 01:17:52 AM
Oh, I don't know, maybe it has a little something to do with the fact that he's a Patriotic American© who doesn't want to see Obama bin Laden and his terrorist friends turn this great country into a Muslim theme park?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2010, 01:28:10 AM
Quote from: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 01:04:55 AM
How can everyone just stand there? Especially the boys father?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

or

*any number of police brutality videos*

or

*horrific stats about civilians killed in Iraq*

or

*stories about prison conditions in the US*


People go along with horrible shit all the time when it's officially sanctioned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 22, 2010, 01:35:29 AM
What he said. Basically people bow down to authority or the status quo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 02:03:21 AM
nah beardo would have led a revolt of guerrilla warfare in the airport
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 22, 2010, 02:06:50 AM
cheardo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 02:03:21 AM
nah beardo would have led a revolt of guerrilla warfare in the airport

They can pry my toe nail clippers and bottled waters out of my cold dead hands!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2010, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 02:03:21 AM
nah beardo would have led a revolt of guerrilla warfare in the airport

WOLVERINES!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 09:56:04 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 22, 2010, 09:34:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 02:03:21 AM
nah beardo would have led a revolt of guerrilla warfare in the airport

WOLVERINES!

If I was liberal I would try to understand and relate to the TSA Agent while his hand was groping my balls. And then we could reach some kind of mutual agreement based on our respective cultures whereas he may cup my balls twice a day because I dont want to offend him. In return, I get the empty satisfaction of knowing that I am tolerant of everyone. Even people who molest children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 22, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
Beardo can't be real right? Useless security measures and erosion of civil liberities in the name of "security" is a recent liberal phenomenon? I mean, Beardo can't be real right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 22, 2010, 11:37:20 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2lvcpzb.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 22, 2010, 01:23:47 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 22, 2010, 01:36:20 PM
So Donald Trump is going to make decision about a presidential run by June.  If he wins, he could have the most epic inauguration.  I can see him stepping up to the mic, turning to Obama, "Mr. Obama you're fired."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 22, 2010, 01:47:56 PM
rights are rights only when you are white
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 01:52:49 PM
speaking of which
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/is_tsa_exempting_women_in_hijabs_from_controversia.php

The right's ability to broadcast bullshit - and the left/media's inability to counter it - is truly stunning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 22, 2010, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on November 22, 2010, 01:36:20 PM
So Donald Trump is going to make decision about a presidential run by June.  If he wins, he could have the most epic inauguration.  I can see him stepping up to the mic, turning to Obama, "Mr. Obama you're fired."

Oh gawd, based on posting history this wasn't ironic

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 22, 2010, 02:36:58 PM
Trump is the new Reagen.
Title: It's the circle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife!
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
Today, Beardo rants about multiculturalism while discussing a completely unrelated topic.

Tomorrow, Beardo will wonder why everyone thinks conservatives have a problem with minorities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 22, 2010, 03:49:33 PM
Trump's campaign slogan could be...

Donald Trump - I've got more money than America now and I didn't have to borrow it from China.  Help me help bail you out, help me stop the progressive regime from molesting your children at airports.  As president I'll televise the first ever Ms first lady contest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 22, 2010, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 22, 2010, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 22, 2010, 11:15:11 AM
Beardo can't be real right? Useless security measures and erosion of civil liberities in the name of "security" is a recent liberal phenomenon? I mean, Beardo can't be real right?
remembering when we were crying foul about TORTURE and conservatives were all "eh"

Like Obama allowing the CIA to kill American citizens without due process? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 03:55:58 PM
Asking suspicious people who have committed a crime to show a I.D. = RACIST!!!1!

Strip searching old woman and children = meh

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 03:58:00 PM
Last two posts are priceless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2010, 03:58:48 PM
SoF:  You realize that a bunch of librul posters here and commentators all over have slammed Obama for that, right?  Mamacint's point isn't that Democrats all have great records on this, it's that Beardo's deliberately ignoring the history to make the TSA policies into a straight up partisan debate.

At some point, you've got to decide what's more important to you: the effects of a policy, or whether you can blame it on the other side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 04:09:44 PM
Quote
Why bipartisan health-care reform has proven impossible
By Ezra Klein

"Every time we moved toward them, they would move away." -- Hillary Clinton, 1995.

As an addendum to the previous post, it's worth thinking about partisanship and health-care reform not in terms of President Obama, but in terms of presidential efforts over the last century or so. And that story has gone something like this: Democrats moved right every time they failed. And Republicans moved further right every time Democrats tried.

The original idea, of course, was a national health service run by the government. Harry Truman proposed it and fell short. Lyndon Johnson got it for seniors and some groups of the very poor. But Republicans said that was too much government, and it was unacceptable for the whole country. They proposed, through President Richard Nixon, an employer-based, pay-or-play system in which the government would set rules and private insurers would compete for business.

That didn't go anywhere, because Democrats, led by Sen. Ted Kennedy, weren't ready to give up on a national health service. By the 1990s, they were. President Bill Clinton proposed an employer-based, pay-or-play system in which the government would set rules and private insurers would compete for business. Republicans killed it. Government shouldn't be telling businesses what to do, they said, and it shouldn't be restructuring the whole health-care market. Better to center policy around personal responsibility and use an individual mandate combined with subsidies and rules making sure insurers couldn't turn people away. That way, the parts of the system that were working would remain intact, and the government would only really involve itself in the parts that weren't working.

That was what Sen. John Chafee -- and Bob Bennett, Kit Bond, Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch and Richard Lugar -- proposed in 1994. It's what Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts. And so it was what Democrats proposed in 2010. The Republican answer? "Hell no, you can't!"

By this point, there were no more universal health-care approaches for Republicans to hold out as alternatives. So they just turned against the idea entirely. Cato's Michael Cannon organized "the anti-universal coverage club." John Boehner released a bill that the CBO said would cover 8 percent as many people as the Democrats' plan.

So over the last 80 years or so, Democrats have responded to Republican opposition by moving to the right, and Republicans have responded by moving even further to the right. In other words, Democrats have been willing to adopt Republican ideas if doing so meant covering everybody (or nearly everybody), while Republicans were willing to abandon Republican ideas if sticking by them meant compromising with the Democrats. But because Democrats were insistent on getting something that would help the uninsured, they've ended up looking like the partisans, as they keep pushing bills Republicans refuse to sign onto.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/11/the_political_history_of_healt.html

interesting point
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 22, 2010, 04:15:52 PM
To those that have, I tip my hat.   As far as the TSA goes, the republicans helped create them  :yuck and now they need to work to get their dog on a leash.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 04:16:24 PM
(http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/c_11162010.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 22, 2010, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 04:09:44 PM
Quote
.

interesting point

I saw this (not infrequently) made point made in the last week or two as well, or more specifically how every Democratic HCR proposal was really just the previous Republican HCR proposal except now it's allofasudden a Marxist plot - with the pattern repeating all the back to FDR. Again, not a revelation, but it was put across very well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 22, 2010, 06:58:46 PM
You know the difference between me and Beardo?

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I knew my civil liberties were being violated before a stranger stuck his hand down my pants. :spin
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
Quote
New legislation, introduced last week by Sens. Scott Brown (R-MA) and Ron Wyden (D-OR) would make a simple tweak to the law: It would allow the states to implement their own health care systems, and thus be exempt from most of the requirements of the Affordable Care Act. The catch: Those programs would have to cover, with decent insurance, at least as many people as the health care law does, but without adding to the deficit.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/silver-bullet-can-scott-brown-and-ron-wyden-save-health-care-reform.php?ref=fpa

I want to see how conservatives respond. The "repeal the bill" nonsense is not an argument of any substance, and is pretty much impossible. Brown is once again stepping up to the plate as a republican actually somewhat interested in legislating and influencing policy - which has put him on the tea party's shit list mere months after they were ready to declare him the greatest thing ever.

MA and Oregon are pretty much set regardless, it's the other states that will have to put some thought into doing shit. I'd especially love to see how Texas would respond to a challenge like this.

I'm guessing the proposal won't go anywhere due to screaming from the right. More evidence they really don't care about big issues, and instead prefer arguing around the borders of big issues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 22, 2010, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 03:55:58 PM
Asking suspicious people who have committed a crime to show a I.D. = RACIST!!!1!


Can you articulate what constitutes someone being a "suspicious person" in the context of (I presume) illegal immigration?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 07:32:59 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 22, 2010, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 03:55:58 PM
Asking suspicious people who have committed a crime to show a I.D. = RACIST!!!1!


Can you articulate what constitutes someone being a "suspicious person" in the context of (I presume) illegal immigration?

Aren't you a cop? The arizona law strictly prohibited pulling someone over with the sole intent of questioning citizenship.

I'm really at a loss as to why This TSA business is okay but asking someone who speeds or runs a red light to show citizenship is wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 22, 2010, 07:58:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 07:32:59 PM


Aren't you a cop? The arizona law strictly prohibited pulling someone over with the sole intent of questioning citizenship.

I'm really at a loss as to why This TSA business is okay but asking someone who speeds or runs a red light to show citizenship is wrong.

My understanding of the law is that it obligates police to investigate someone's immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal alien.

Speeding is not "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant.  Neither is running a red light.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2010, 09:50:36 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 07:32:59 PM
I'm really at a loss as to why This TSA business is okay but asking someone who speeds or runs a red light to show citizenship is wrong.

I'm really at a loss to who you're even arguing against at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
Yes Boogie, but you see... speeding or running a red light while being brown skinned gives reasonable suspicion!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 22, 2010, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 22, 2010, 11:37:20 AM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2lvcpzb.jpg)



Is that from the Simpsons?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 22, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
^It's from last night's episode.

The Arizona law makes no sense since it doesn't make any distinction between brown skins and illegal brown skins in how it defines "suspicious".  You would have an equal chance of being asked to prove citizenship either way.

As far as the vid of the TSA asking the kid to take off his shirt, who gives a fuck?  He's in the middle of an airport terminal.  I can understand how that would make some modest people feel uncomfortable being shirtless in public but it's not like the guard is going to do anything wrong with the kid's dad a foot away and a hundred pairs of eyes watching him.  At best, you're making random emotional outbursts when you get angry about that while justifying law enforcement being allowed to profile.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 23, 2010, 06:28:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2010, 07:02:17 PM
I want to see how conservatives respond. The "repeal the bill" nonsense is not an argument of any substance, and is pretty much impossible.

The "repeal the bill" nonsense is filed under the proposed Ground Zero Mosque legislation (hey, remember that?), the constitutional amendment to make marriage between a man and woman, and the flag burning amendment: crap that the Republicans know will never pass but is designed to shore up support from its base.

Republicans know they can't do shit but if it keeps their base active, then they will be parading that idea.

Also regarding teabaggers and their golden boy, the tea party can and does drop people like hot potatoes (example is the move from Rick Lazio to Carl Palladino in NY)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2010, 12:13:44 PM
You're right. They aren't interested in any policy, so this will probably go nowhere.
Title: Makes me want to start straightlinesthroughstochasticdata.blogspot.com
Post by: Mandark on November 24, 2010, 02:09:14 AM
http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyisitcold.blogspot.com/

Wonder when the first update this winter will come.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 24, 2010, 01:52:35 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/232611?RS_show_page=0

oh, and it looks like china's gonna abandon the dollar. ahua. ah, capitalism!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2010, 03:39:56 PM
Source hasn't been confirmed on the China story, and it says they're abandoning it for bilateral trade with Russia - not abandoning the dollar in general.

either way lol capitalism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 24, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 22, 2010, 01:04:55 AM
How can everyone just stand there? Especially the boys father?

They suspected he was an anchor baby
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2010, 12:53:59 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-3hL9FfQFc[/youtube]

With anybody else you would know its just a slip of the tongue but with her...


yeah...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2010, 12:58:58 AM
eh seemed obvious she had a slip of the tongue. don't like defending her but oh well

lemme get my white knight armor brb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 25, 2010, 01:02:04 AM
Come on, it's obvious she's a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Fucks sakes, she probably doesn't remember we're in North America most days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/obama-gets-12-stitches-after-being-elbowed-in-lip-during-basketball-game.php
 :o

I wonder what happens to you when you elbow the president
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 26, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
Apparently he received local anesthetic before getting the stitches; I can't wait for the right wing nut-o-sphere to tell us how unmanly this was.  "Dubya would have gotten the stitches without any painkillers," I can almost already hear it.  I'm betting on Michelle Malkin or Instapundit to play that card first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 26, 2010, 05:23:07 PM
Nah they'd be like, 'Why was he was playing basketball when the country is going down the drain!' pretty much like people did to Dubya.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on November 27, 2010, 10:11:52 AM
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

Keep yer hands off my internets.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2010, 02:11:46 PM
(http://tinyurl.com/2cnnf3l)

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 27, 2010, 04:09:20 PM
(http://progressiveboink.com/b/images/100film/71.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 27, 2010, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on November 27, 2010, 10:11:52 AM
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

Keep yer hands off my internets.  :-\

Here's the kicker: most of the sites on the list aren't even piracy sites, they're just online shops that sell knockoffs of brands.

Here''s the double kicker to the knees: homeland security is on top of this, making it curious how in the world this is a security issue.

Maybe they're getting ready to banish wikileaks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 27, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 27, 2010, 08:57:02 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on November 27, 2010, 10:11:52 AM
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

Keep yer hands off my internets.  :-\

Here''s the double kicker to the knees: homeland security is on top of this, making it curious how in the world this is a security issue.

All the money you spend on knock-off Nikes is going to fund terrorists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 27, 2010, 09:06:16 PM
But where will I get my Snike's now?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 28, 2010, 12:32:29 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 27, 2010, 09:06:16 PM
But where will I get my Snike's now?!

KOREAN SWAP MEET
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 28, 2010, 02:17:04 AM
Just reading Foreign Policy's article on the top 100 Global thinkers.

Number 27 is Fareed Zakaria.

Quote
Zakaria is not always dispassionate about the global trends he has such a knack for identifying. This year, he controversially returned a $10,000 prize to the Anti-Defamation League after the group announced its opposition to a proposed Muslim cultural center near New York's Ground Zero. "Were this mosque being built in a foreign city, chances are that the U.S. government would be funding it,"

...

Five years ago, the ADL honored me with its Hubert H. Humphrey First Amendment Freedoms Prize. I was thrilled to get the award from an organization that I had long admired. But I cannot in good conscience keep it anymore. I have returned both the handsome plaque and the $10,000 honorarium that came with it. I urge the ADL to reverse its decision. Admitting an error is a small price to pay to regain a reputation.

Fuckin' badass.

Zakaria :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2010, 02:36:02 AM
I like that guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/politics/30freeze.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Remember when Candidate Obama dismissed the gas tax holiday as a gimmick that wouldn't fix anything? I miss that guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2010, 01:24:32 PM
:bow Candidate Obama :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2010, 01:29:43 PM
A pay freeze won't do much for the long-term deficit (Medicare Medicare Medicare), but I think* pay for federal workers has been ballooning a bit the last few years because they negotiated some contracts before inflation plummeted.  Don't quote me on that, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2010, 01:38:39 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 29, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2010, 12:39:38 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/us/politics/30freeze.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Remember when Candidate Obama dismissed the gas tax holiday as a gimmick that wouldn't fix anything? I miss that guy
Pay freeze isn't a bad idea.  Pretty common in the private sector.

That's true, but the problem here is that it doesn't do much of anything to address the deficit at hand. It's a step farther than the worthless earkmark ban, but ultimately it's still an idea that trims at the edges of a giant debt redwood.

I don't know whether to laugh or hurl at Cantor (temporarily I'm sure) inviting Obama on to the Serious People For Deficit Reduction short bus
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/will_pay_freeze_strengthen_oba.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
Every little bit helps.  My problem with the pay freeze isn't the fact that they're getting frozen.  That's fine with me. it's that this is going to be used to buy political points with idiots so we can put the budget cuts off for even longer (See!  We did something!) ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2010, 02:05:31 PM
I just don't get the point in cutting a bunch of (middle class) people's pay when the economy sucks in large part due to lack of demand - just to make a political point that will cut the deficit by less than what, 1%? It's a pure gimmick/concession.


And what will it win Obama tomorrow when he meets with the GOP on the tax cuts? Let me guess what happens over the next month: no tax cut compromise, no START treaty, no DADT repeal, no nothing. And VA nurses wondering why they got shafted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2010/07/09/GR2010070905854.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
I don't mind it because when my company is losing money my pay is frozen.  Federal employees should not be exempt from that.  You can say it's not their fault, it's mismanagement by higher ups but that's also usually the case in the private sector too.  Also every little bit helps in reducing the deficit.  I'd say a pay freeze isn't a bad tradeoff for a much more secure job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2010, 02:28:10 PM
By the way, that chart doesn't tell us anything that someone with common sense doesn't already know.  It doesn't mean it's the best thing for us.  In fact, that's exactly what's wrong with the mentality towards the deficit.  Their job is to fix problems, not placate to idiots with no sense of long term benefits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 30, 2010, 04:09:09 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 29, 2010, 02:29:40 PM
A pay freeze is also calculated to give Obama some leverage later.

What kind of leverage? Not having to swallow after sucking Boehner's cock?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 30, 2010, 03:42:47 PM
(http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20134899d4c5f970c-550wi)

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2010, 03:47:20 PM
Not particularly surprising.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on November 30, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
Palin will get raped in the primaries. And it will be glorious, because hopefully it will be the last of her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on November 30, 2010, 05:12:10 PM
When has evil ever sulked off in defeat?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2010, 05:56:50 PM
n/m
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 30, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
Palin will get raped in the primaries. And it will be glorious, because hopefully it will be the last of her.

With early primaries in Jesus Crazy states like South Carolina (where the Governor owes Palin her primary victory), Iowa (where people love them some Jesus) and Nevada, land of Sharon Angle, I think she'll probably have the nomination sewn up by the end of January.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2010, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 30, 2010, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: Beardo on November 30, 2010, 05:07:45 PM
Palin will get raped in the primaries. And it will be glorious, because hopefully it will be the last of her.

With early primaries in Jesus Crazy states like South Carolina (where the Governor owes Palin her primary victory), Iowa (where people love them some Jesus) and Nevada, land of Sharon Angle, I think she'll probably have the nomination sewn up by the end of January.

Yup, she'll win the early states outside of NH. But who knows what happens when the bigger states come into play.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 30, 2010, 09:30:42 PM
So how  many of you will be moving to Canada if Palin wins? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2010, 09:47:52 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on November 30, 2010, 09:30:42 PM
So how  many of you will be moving to Canada if Palin wins? :teehee

Me. Movin' in with mojovonio.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 30, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
You should move in with Nami and Arvie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
Weekend visits that aren't with Muckhole. Shibas are hyper. I don't want to be around that all the time.

Trips to see Malek would be fun. Living in the US is getting worse day by day. I'm just postponing the inevitable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 30, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 30, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
Weekend visits that aren't with Muckhole. Shibas are hyper. I don't want to be around that all the time.

Trips to see Malek would be fun. Living in the US is getting worse day by day. I'm just postponing the inevitable.

Weekend trips to Winnipeg and Saskatchewan.  Ya, you'll be making the most of life in Canada.  ::)

On the other hand, once you experience life in Montreal with Mojo, you'll probably never want to leave there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2010, 11:10:24 PM
Anderson Cooper is so pimp
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/anderson_cooper_shellacks_texas_birther_with_torre.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2010, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 30, 2010, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 30, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
Weekend visits that aren't with Muckhole. Shibas are hyper. I don't want to be around that all the time.

Trips to see Malek would be fun. Living in the US is getting worse day by day. I'm just postponing the inevitable.

Weekend trips to Winnipeg and Saskatchewan.  Ya, you'll be making the most of life in Canada.  ::)

On the other hand, once you experience life in Montreal with Mojo, you'll probably never want to leave there.

It'd be new to me.

I only excluded you cause my waifu and I enjoy some mild contraband and didn't want to get you involved.  :ninja

 We'd enjoy plenty of the modern facets available.  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2010, 12:30:14 AM
I call Boogie's soon to be man-pile sweat stained futon.  Get me out of this place! 

I wonder if, over the next two years, there will be any repercussions on the Republicans for, you know, REFUSING TO GOVERN.  Considering our awesome media, I'm guessing the answer is absolutely not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2010, 06:44:51 AM
LOL, you guys aren't going to do shit.  You're just going to stay here and piss and moan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 01:27:30 PM
I've given up anyway. Being a liberal is like being a Detroit Lions fan: endless disappointment. Best thing to do is become a passive observer and not get mad every time Obama is called for holding and false starts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 01, 2010, 01:49:52 PM
i'm going back to anthropology to explain the distinguished mentally-challenged of america. when the herd gets stressed -- right now, it is stressed by economic factors and apparently TERROR -- the herd prefers to kill the weak and the sick, viewing them as dangerous to the collective. hence the bizarre appeal of austerity!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
looks like the pay freeze has worked in bringing republicans to the table for compromise
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/dadt-no-more-republicans-plan-to-block-all-dem-initiatives.php?ref=fpa

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 03:22:01 PM
I emailed and called both my Senators this morning. :usa

I asked them to support the DREAM Act though.  Sorry, homos.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
Kinda mixed on the DREAM Act. On one hand it's a great idea to give people green cards for being good citizens/students. On the other hand wouldn't it only increase illegal immigration?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 03:37:57 PM
I doubt it.  It is targeting children and it'll just be a cherry on top for people who are already planning to come IMO.  And I can't be against something giving citizenship based on real merit and to people who have proven that they're willing to work for it.  And anything to encourage more people to graduate too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2010, 04:06:17 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 03:22:01 PM
I emailed and called both my Senators this morning. :usa

I asked them to support the DREAM Act though.  Sorry, homos.

I did too! *high five*

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Here's the email I sent:

Quote
Dear Senator,

As a registered Republican, immigration is a topic which I believe is quite serious to this entire nation. There are many bills and ideas currently being considered on this topic, but I am contacting you specifically to speak about the DREAM Act, which is currently in the Senate.

While I do not believe that we should be giving blanket handouts to illegal immigrants, I am very interested in the DREAM Act and what it offers. Rather than continue to punish children and young people for the actions of their parents, I believe that this act can help them to lead better lives and help assuage the problems of illegal immigration faced by our own country.

By being good citizens, by excelling in education, or serving in this nation's armed forces, surely these young people, illegal though they may be, show a willingness to conform to our laws and beliefs. Is it fair for us then to merely send them packing back to their home countries? I do not believe so, I believe that if they are willing to work hard and willing to integrate themselves into American society, then they should be granted something from us for their struggles.

As I said, I do not believe in blanket pardons or open borders, but I don't see this as either of those things. The DREAM Act will allow them to strive towards something other than the lowest paying jobs and the eternal stigma of being a criminal. If they're willing to earn there residency, in one way or another, then we should be willing to give it to them. In so doing, we help to foster individuals and families that believe in bettering themselves and in what American stands for. At the end of the day, isn't that what all of us want?

Please consider voting for the DREAM Act.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 04:13:20 PM
*high five*

Yours sounds so much like mine including starting with "As a registered Republican..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2010, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 04:13:20 PM
*high five*

Yours sounds so much like mine including starting with "As a registered Republican..."

They've got search applets that look for things like "As a registered Democrat" or "Being a liberal" in all their emails. Those get redirected to the spam folder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
:lol

Well I just know better in Texas.  Plus, I'm actually not lying.  I registered as a Republican last time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
Kinda mixed on the DREAM Act. On one hand it's a great idea to give people green cards for being good citizens/students. On the other hand wouldn't it only increase illegal immigration?

If it did, who gives a rip?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
:lol

Well I just know better in Texas.  Plus, I'm actually not lying.  I registered as a Republican last time.

It's a good attention-getter to start out with. That way they know from line one that they're hearing from someone in their own party, instead of somebody looking in from the outside.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 01, 2010, 04:33:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 01, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
If it did, who gives a rip?
Blue collar Americans who are currently unemployed?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
They're stealing our jerbs?

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2010, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 01, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
:lol

Well I just know better in Texas.  Plus, I'm actually not lying.  I registered as a Republican last time.

It's a good attention-getter to start out with. That way they know from line one that they're hearing from someone in their own party, instead of somebody looking in from the outside.
Yeah that's why I initially threw it in.  Every Republican I know IRL here doesn't listen to opinions unless it's from another Republican.  Shit, same with all the Democrats I know IRL. 

 :gloomy Politics :gloomy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2010, 04:56:25 PM
:usacry Politics. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2010, 11:44:58 PM
Well thank Christ that the rich are going to get to keep their tax cuts.  All of the rich.  All of their tax cuts.

I think I want to negotiate my next pay raise with Obama.  "I'm gonna need a million to stay."  "A million a year?  That seems kind of steep."  "No broseph, a million an hour.  These packages aren't gonna ship themselves."  "Good point!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2010, 11:54:53 PM
Oh thank God, I was worried there for a while.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 01, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
Kinda mixed on the DREAM Act. On one hand it's a great idea to give people green cards for being good citizens/students. On the other hand wouldn't it only increase illegal immigration?

If it did, who gives a rip?

Giving illegal immigrants even more incentive to enter the country isn't a bad idea? I'm wondering from a fence sitting position, dunno which side of the issue to jump onto. Perhaps not the best analogy for this...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2010, 09:07:56 AM
Our newly elected repub Tom Reed(who replaced Eric Massa) is on the front page today boasting that he voted against extending unemployment cause it added to the deficit. Then he goes on to say he wants to keep tax cuts for the rich cause it would be class warfare not to.

Just another cookie cutter repub.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 02, 2010, 09:27:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 01, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
Kinda mixed on the DREAM Act. On one hand it's a great idea to give people green cards for being good citizens/students. On the other hand wouldn't it only increase illegal immigration?

If it did, who gives a rip?

Giving illegal immigrants even more incentive to enter the country isn't a bad idea? I'm wondering from a fence sitting position, dunno which side of the issue to jump onto. Perhaps not the best analogy for this...
To be honest, I don't think the DREAM Act matters to anyone who's not already here.  It's intended for children who are illegal and didn't have a choice and I can totally sympathize.  Your parents dragged you here.  Their parents dragged them here.  They didn't have a choice.  Most of them are pretty damn Americanized and don't have any real roots in their home country.  I don't see a problem with the DREAM Act at all.  It seems like more of a proper way or earning citizenship than simply taking a test and paying a lot of fucking money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2010, 10:39:40 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on December 02, 2010, 09:07:56 AM
Our newly elected repub Tom Reed(who replaced Eric Massa) is on the front page today boasting that he voted against extending unemployment cause it added to the deficit. Then he goes on to say he wants to keep tax cuts for the rich cause it would be class warfare not to.

>:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 02, 2010, 12:22:53 PM
Sooo... Is anyone actually surprised by this?

Fed aid in financial crisis went beyond U.S. banks to industry, foreign firms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120106870.html



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 02, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
So McCain says Congress should wait until the Pentagon's DADT study is completed before acting.  Now that the study is completed and shows that the majority of soldiers support its repeal, he calls the study flawed.  ::) 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 02, 2010, 12:29:19 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 02, 2010, 12:22:53 PM
Sooo... Is anyone actually surprised by this?

Fed aid in financial crisis went beyond U.S. banks to industry, foreign firms
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120106870.html




I don't think anyone's surprised and to be honest I don't have a problem with it.  I can see how some people would feel misled though.  But I'm also going to assume the people who feel misled are the ones who aren't really familiar with what was going on during the fall of 2008 and how far it really reached and what it affected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 12:31:07 PM
Lieberman looking badass on cspan. Never thought I'd see the day :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 02, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
looking bad ass how?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 12:35:30 PM
DADT hearing, bringing the heat with comparisons to racial integration. Even Scott Brown is sounding sensible

....all while McCain is literally slumped back in his chair looking pissed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 02, 2010, 12:38:43 PM
McCain is just pissed because he knows the first place the gays will go in the military will be the Navy.  And all those jokes he heard will be true. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 12:42:53 PM
I kinda wonder though: if McCain had won, this seems like the type of glorious crusade he'd support.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 02, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
McCain likes being that underdog fighting the good fight so who knows. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2010, 12:49:32 PM
Ha, the hearing adjured and McCain bolted from the room as Mullen walked up to shake hands with Levin, who had been sitting next to McCain  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2010, 02:43:41 PM
We need to get a Republican in the White House to ensure that nothing like TARP is proposed ever again!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2010, 07:24:24 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/6/926200/-President-Obama-announces-deal-to-continue-Bush-tax-policy

What'd I say, people.  :fbm :fbm :fbm

edit: we really need an Obama-deal-with-it gif.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on December 06, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
 :lol
Title: Real talk
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
Obama > Oblivion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2010, 07:30:18 PM
Yeah, but Fallout 3 > Obama.
Title: Re: Real talk
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2010, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
Obama > Oblivion

So you think this is a good idea?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2010, 07:40:02 PM
Nah, but it's probably really the best deal they can get.  Honestly, getting unemployment benefits extended 13 months is probably better than they hoped for.

It does kind of fuck Obama in 2012. "Vote for me and we'll roll back those Bush tax cuts on the rich... FOR REALS THIS TIME!"  But at this rate my dog could probably beat him in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:40:44 PM
Oblivion:  Compared to what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2010, 07:41:02 PM
Daniels Patreus 2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2010, 07:47:28 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 06, 2010, 07:40:02 PM
Nah, but it's probably really the best deal they can get.  Honestly, getting unemployment benefits extended 13 months is probably better than they hoped for.

It does kind of fuck Obama in 2012. "Vote for me and we'll roll back those Bush tax cuts on the rich... FOR REALS THIS TIME!"  But at this rate my dog could probably beat him in 2012.

Yeah, I'm glad at least that this is the first compromise that involved the dems getting something in return.

Quote from: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:40:44 PM
Oblivion:  Compared to what?


Compared to say, standing firm and let the republicans risk making the tax cuts expire for everyone? And even if that happened, Obama could bring about new tax cuts for the middle class that would differentiate them from Bush's tax cuts (they'd be the Obama tax cuts).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 06, 2010, 07:47:28 PM
Compared to say, standing firm and let the republicans risk making the tax cuts expire for everyone? And even if that happened, Obama could bring about new tax cuts for the middle class that would differentiate them from Bush's tax cuts (they'd be the Obama tax cuts).

...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on December 06, 2010, 07:52:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 06, 2010, 07:40:02 PM
Nah, but it's probably really the best deal they can get.  Honestly, getting unemployment benefits extended 13 months is probably better than they hoped for.

It does kind of fuck Obama in 2012. "Vote for me and we'll roll back those Bush tax cuts on the rich... FOR REALS THIS TIME!"  But at this rate my dog could probably beat him in 2012.
Honestly, most people don't really care about the tax cuts in the scheme of things.  This is just another failure of representative gov't.  The Republicans keep pushing these legislative priorities that one cares about.  And no one cares about the deficit, which the Republicans have cleverly took on in the recent campaign. 

They care about jobs.  If the job situation gets better no one is beating Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2010, 07:55:32 PM
I'd just like to point out that I'm slightly intoxicated. Just for the record.
Title: "That's your plan, Ray? Get her!?"
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:59:45 PM
First, letting all the cuts expire would be bad for the economy.  Monetary policy up against the lower bound, contractionary fiscal policy, blah blah blah.

Second, he'd sign a new tax bill without cuts for the highest rate?  Passing it through a GOP House, where the GOP leadership will introduce it after it's been voted on by a GOP-majority committee?  Then in the Senate, where Republicans would break ranks to get it past the filibuster?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 06, 2010, 08:50:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 06, 2010, 07:49:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 06, 2010, 07:47:28 PM
Compared to say, standing firm and let the republicans risk making the tax cuts expire for everyone? And even if that happened, Obama could bring about new tax cuts for the middle class that would differentiate them from Bush's tax cuts (they'd be the Obama tax cuts).

...
I was at first wondering if you were agreeing with him but yeah I agree with your last post.  It would be much harder to pass a bill 6 months from now that actually eliminates the tax cuts for the rich.  This is just the best deal possible for the next couple years.

I liked how much the president emphasized this being a bipartisan deal.  That's like a dirty word now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2010, 09:16:46 PM
If anything the deal shows neither side gives a shit about the deficit. I like the pay roll tax idea. It's interesting that every democratic idea put into the compromise stimulates an economy, while every single one put in by republicans doesn't - and only benefits the rich.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 07, 2010, 06:41:27 AM
Nobody actually cares about the deficit.  It's just a good talking point.  It's like pork spending.  People can talk about cutting it all they want but in reality, if congresspeople don't indulge in pork spending, their constituents will piss and moan about how they're not getting anything back or how their representative doesn't care about them.  Shit like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2010, 09:05:52 AM
Here is the repub plan to reduce the deficit:

Everyone who makes less than $100,000 a year must pay the govt. $10,000 this year. It won't pay off the whole tab, but it's a start.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 07, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/palin-success-triggered-fcc-complaints (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/palin-success-triggered-fcc-complaints)

Quote
DECEMBER 6--In the days after Bristol Palin was voted into the finals of “Dancing with the Stars,” viewers from across the country wrote to the Federal Communications Commission accusing the ABC show of everything from running a “payola type program” to “encouraging and promoting teen pregnancy.”

 :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on December 07, 2010, 02:59:19 PM
Obama made a goddam good case for his positions in the press briefing today...rather impressive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2010, 04:59:52 PM
Elizabeth Edwards passed

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 07, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
it really is terrible how her marriage suffered the last few years of her life.  john is such a huge piece of fucking shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 07, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
vote on the dream act occurs tomorrow.  all those emails and phone calls better have done something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2010, 09:52:45 PM
John Edwards attending that funeral is gonna be the most awkward thing ever

Rip
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2010, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 07, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
vote on the dream act occurs tomorrow.  all those emails and phone calls better have done something

The reply I got back from my Senators was basically "sorry, but you're wrong, DREAM Act is going down."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2010, 10:54:15 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2010, 09:53:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 07, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
vote on the dream act occurs tomorrow.  all those emails and phone calls better have done something

The reply I got back from my Senators was basically "sorry, but you're wrong, DREAM Act is going down."

Yeah, I was gonna say that. Repubs don't care about any meaningful immigration reform. They had their majority with W and he rejected their offer. Probably due to the mega farms and their buddies who soaked up that farmland during the Reagan years. Big corn's cock makes a huge thud on the sink. Just look a the ethanol subsidies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: Obama
So this notion that somehow we are willing to compromise too much reminds me of the debate that we had during health care.  This is the public option debate all over again.  So I pass a signature piece of legislation where we finally get health care for all Americans, something that Democrats had been fighting for for a hundred years, but because there was a provision in there that they didn’t get that would have affected maybe a couple of million people, even though we got health insurance for 30 million people and the potential for lower premiums for 100 million people, that somehow that was a sign of weakness and compromise. 
 
Now, if that’s the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let’s face it, we will never get anything done.  People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people.  And we will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance ran out.

[ ]Strongly disagree
[ ]Somewhat disagree
[ ]Don't know/No opinion
[ ]Somewhat agree
[X]Strongly agree
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 07, 2010, 11:39:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: Obama
So this notion that somehow we are willing to compromise too much reminds me of the debate that we had during health care.  This is the public option debate all over again.  So I pass a signature piece of legislation where we finally get health care for all Americans, something that Democrats had been fighting for for a hundred years, but because there was a provision in there that they didn’t get that would have affected maybe a couple of million people, even though we got health insurance for 30 million people and the potential for lower premiums for 100 million people, that somehow that was a sign of weakness and compromise. 
 
Now, if that’s the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let’s face it, we will never get anything done.  People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people.  And we will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance ran out.

[ ]Strongly disagree
[ ]Somewhat disagree
[ ]Don't know/No opinion
[ ]Somewhat agree
[X]Strongly agree

I've felt this way a bunch of times on a lot of issues. Some liberals and dems have traded in reality for 100% doctrine conformity. That if only we did nothing but held to our strong principles that is better. As a governing principle that makes zero sense. Especially if that is your standard on every single issue. And in fact sounds a lot like the Demint's of the world. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2010, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: Obama
So this notion that somehow we are willing to compromise too much reminds me of the debate that we had during health care.  This is the public option debate all over again.  So I pass a signature piece of legislation where we finally get health care for all Americans, something that Democrats had been fighting for for a hundred years, but because there was a provision in there that they didn’t get that would have affected maybe a couple of million people, even though we got health insurance for 30 million people and the potential for lower premiums for 100 million people, that somehow that was a sign of weakness and compromise. 
 
Now, if that’s the standard by which we are measuring success or core principles, then let’s face it, we will never get anything done.  People will have the satisfaction of having a purist position and no victories for the American people.  And we will be able to feel good about ourselves and sanctimonious about how pure our intentions are and how tough we are, and in the meantime, the American people are still seeing themselves not able to get health insurance because of preexisting conditions or not being able to pay their bills because their unemployment insurance ran out.

[X]Strongly disagree
[ ]Somewhat disagree
[ ]Don't know/No opinion
[ ]Somewhat agree
[]Strongly agree

pragmatism is a cute look, but ultimately this is parker/stone style "moderate" ideology at its most grating -- where you pretend to a sort of empty and posturing adulthood within the greater debate. "hush, children," you say, "daddy is more concerned with driving" as the tires spin crazily in the ditch. "so stop shouting!" you add, as a chunk of whitewall peels off and flies into the night.

seriously, i would be fine with compromise if he wasn't trying to negotiate with folks who are catshit fucking bonkers. "compromise" is neither effective nor an adult thing to do when negotiating with ideological children throwing a temper tantrum -- and if this ISN'T compromising; if what obama is doing is reflective of his own ideology, then well, perhaps he too can have a second term and blame it all on parkinson's~

this isn't right versus left. it's not even republican versus democrat. it's corporate interests and wounded culture warriors against the remaining sane. it's the panicked herd trying to eat their own. you don't fix that with fucking COMPROMISE. you fix it by TELLING THE DUMBFUCKS WHAT TO DO. consider it the keynesian take on basic leadership and management. in the summer when the lamb is fat and bellies are full, you compromise; and when the cold winds blow and the natives get restless, you crack the fucking whip and get people in line. i have successfully managed countless corporate and business crises involving many, many people, and we got through them with vision, leadership, and effectively locking the "no" set out. it's management 101, and i suggest our favorite community organizer read up on it. (seriously, we teach courses on this shit.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 08, 2010, 12:04:44 AM
What?  Don't compromise and just tell them what they're supposed to do?  Why would they listen to him?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 12:11:33 AM
For now, I'm going to ignore how very Republican that post was ("All we need is willpower to make this mission succeed!  Lemme tell ya how we do it in the corporate sector...") and ask what the counterfactual is in this specific case.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2010, 12:12:30 AM
My main problem is that I feel like the 2008 election should have settled some things permanently, one of them being the "tax cuts for the rich are great for everyone!" myth, and that apparently this isn't the case.  And that if you can't adequately communicate that to the populace at large, well then maybe you're a fucking failure of a party, leader and movement.

Of course, it doesn't help that the media and Very Serious Washington Thinkers won't tell the truth about the Republican party:  that they're a bunch of fucktards that have no interest in governing.  They're interested in tax cuts for the rich, telling you what you can and can't do and who you can and can't do it with, and killing brown skinned foreigners, apparently in that order.  Actually running a government is so far down their list of interests it probably ranks in between croquet and baking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 12:14:28 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 08, 2010, 12:04:44 AM
What?  Don't compromise and just tell them what they're supposed to do?  Why would they listen to him?

they won't listen to him. that's why you wage your own fucking media war. you remove the pillars of their support. you cajole, you threaten, you break some eggs and you sell a couple more out. you tell mitch mcconnell and john fucking boehner that they will get in line or their corporate benefactors will be on his personal shitlist. you shut fox nesws out and you shut it down no matter how loud they squeal. you take real, palpable risks. you stand up for the platform you were elected to support. leadership is an ugly fucking business. if there's any silly ideological purity here, it's that obama thought he could play ball with this pseudo-rational voice the posturing "adults" like him to use to no avail whatsoever --  and unsurprisingly, that approach didn't come in and send the republicans squealing for the hills. he's let them exploit the media and public opinion to rock him from day one. from health care to shirley sherrod to wikileaks, he's been the media's bitch, and i see no sign that he has learned to play this game. "don't sink to their level!" huff the erstwhile political adults, with their manufactured pragmatism. fine, then. the squeaky wheel will get the grease. the bar will move ever closer to the idiots and their wealthy oligarch puppeteers. show up to the match, throw a few spin kicks at the air, and when you find yourself face down on the mat, unable to breathe in a clutch hold, by all means say "can't we play by more civilized rules" but do NOT expect me to not give a bitter ironic laugh when you hafta tap out. and do NOT expect me to think highly of you because you kicked "this high."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 12:18:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 12:11:33 AM
For now, I'm going to ignore how very Republican that post was ("All we need is willpower to make this mission succeed!  Lemme tell ya how we do it in the corporate sector...") and ask what the counterfactual is in this specific case.

so republicans have the exclusive on success in business? OH MY. should i ignore your suggestion of ideological differences; that the make up of democrats and republicans are so very different? that sounds terribly unpragmatic!

and of course this is counterfactual. are you likewise suggesting that obama is free from the shackles of -- le gasp! -- ideological thinking and behaviors? you're pining for the fjords of a practicality that doesn't exist in politics. real, tenable, useful political "compromise" happens when both sides pull as hard as they can until they tire, and we discover where the rope dropped. it doesn't happen when one side lets go, or offers just enough feeble resistance to tell the judges that he tried.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 12:21:43 AM
Could you answer my question, though?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 12:26:07 AM
tell me what a "counterfactual" is, then, because we use it to mean "magical thinking" and i am in no way suggesting that my post is a concrete solution because, SPLUH, it isn't. it's a complaint, and one whose credibility is born out by -- shock! -- experience.

edit: unless you're asking me to show how things got WORSE because of the health care bill, and i'll give a couple: a) it gave great political cover for insurance companies to justify their predetermined massive rate hikes; b) it has enough loopholes to mitigate the net gain of ending rescission; and c) it increases the overall burden on small business by requiring a certain level of participation in insurance (especially the self-employed). it does NOTHING to correct the rising systemic cost of medical care; it does nothing to cap rates; it creates a pseudo risk pool that hits the middle class the hardest.

single payer was viable. the public option was viable. we just counted on obama having the ability to sell it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 12:36:45 AM
I'm asking about this deal on tax cuts, mang.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 12:40:55 AM
are you asking me to state my stance on it? what i'd do? i'd have let them all expire, and waged media war on an epic scale. i'd have pointed out my noble intentions every step of the way from the moment i stepped into office, and when everyone got the tax bill thanks to republican filibustering -- assuming they actually had the cojones to block it entirely -- i woulda told the republicans "well, guess what, motherfuckers, i'm addressing your precious fucking deficit." then i would have stepped into the cockpit of my sr-71 and flew straight into the sun, just because i am THAT FUCKING AWESOME. i'd live my one term LARGE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 01:01:16 AM
That wouldn't work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 01:03:49 AM
feckless pragmatism: the new visionary! there is no leadership; there is merely the meandering of the status quo. the herd moves as it wills!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2010, 01:05:06 AM
:bow drinky/grayson 2012! :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2010, 01:05:24 AM
So the alternative is to let the Republicans scream and cry, call the President a socialist, and then give them the only thing they really care about in exchange for keeping some people out of the gutter?

Man, the government is AWESOME.  I can't see why anyone would get disenchanted with such a kick-ass system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 01:05:32 AM
i prefer drinky/blakemore 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 01:06:28 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 08, 2010, 01:05:24 AM
So the alternative is to let the Republicans scream and cry, call the President a socialist, and then give them the only thing they really care about in exchange for keeping some people out of the gutter?

Man, the government is AWESOME.  I can't see why anyone would get disenchanted with such a kick-ass system.

you don't understand: the adults tell us that it's supposed to be this way, and that it's effective. change doesn't happen overnight! (except when it does, black swan style)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2010, 01:06:41 AM
What about drinky/wiener 2012?  :o  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 01:08:39 AM
a cock pic for every family, and mandatory abortions for all teenagers!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 01:13:20 AM
btw, my responses would be a bit more serious if I didn't feel like you were just reciting your side of an argument you've had with other people over and over and over (and isn't the one I'm making).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 01:17:52 AM
and mine would be a bit more serious if i wasn't tired of the hemming, hawing, and arched eyebrows coming from folks who should really know better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2010, 01:50:09 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 12:40:55 AM
are you asking me to state my stance on it? what i'd do? i'd have let them all expire, and waged media war on an epic scale. i'd have pointed out my noble intentions every step of the way from the moment i stepped into office, and when everyone got the tax bill thanks to republican filibustering -- assuming they actually had the cojones to block it entirely -- i woulda told the republicans "well, guess what, motherfuckers, i'm addressing your precious fucking deficit." then i would have stepped into the cockpit of my sr-71 and flew straight into the sun, just because i am THAT FUCKING AWESOME. i'd live my one term LARGE.

You'd hit middle class families with a $3000 tax hike, then go on TV and brag about it? That wouldn't work bro. This was a losing issue from the start, at least on conventional grounds. It becomes an entirely different issue if democrats pull out the nuclear option, have Biden provide the 51st vote, and shitcan this abomination for good. That was the only way to do it; can't use reconciliation anymore, can't get an up or down vote, etc. Instead the can gets kicked down the curb again, so in Nov 2012 (assuming Obama wins) he can tell another lameduck session of congress to extend the cuts so the middle class doesn't get hit with a huge tax increase in Jan 2013. And if we have President Romney? Bush tax cuts extended forever.

It's hard to accept Obama's public option analogy when you remember he took it off the table to appease health care companies before the debate even began. But let's accept it anyway: we get an extension of unemployment benefits, one year of pay roll tax relief, and businesses get to write off more stuff when they upgrade certain assets. I like all three of those things, most Americans like those things, most businesses like those things. The problem is that most republicans used to like those things too, but because they're dancing for a far right base, they've decided all those things aren't cool. Extending UB and a pay roll tax holiday shouldn't fucking be bargaining chips, they should be moderate, agreeable grounds of agreement to provide relief/stimulate the economy. Yet the GOP has moved so far right that things that used to be conservative (you know, like Obama's health care bill circa 1994) or moderate are now liberal.

And that's the problem for the future. While I'll accept this deal, what other poison pills will Obama accept in the future to get formerly conservative ideas passed?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 02:03:41 AM
Prole: I really mean what I said, not as a troll.  When people rehash the same debates over and over, they tend to read anyone who's disagreeing them as fitting whatever the typical opposite viewpoint is.

If I see a liberal use "adult" "grown-up" or "VSP" as a pejorative (see Greenwald, FDL, etc), that's a sign to me they're mocking the Broder/DLC/Hiatt worldview, which holds compromise as more important than the results it produces, and which excludes strong, unapologetic progressive opinions from polite conversation in the political and media classes.

And hey, I agree with the netroots there, completely.  The problem is that it's become such sore point that you can't say anything or defense of Democratic officeholders without making a lot of people feel that you're patronizing them.  And once people start responding to views that they project on you rather than your own actual opinions, it becomes pretty fucking hopeless (last year I was accused of being a pro-Ahmadinejad stooge in the comment section of a feminist blog!  Yay!).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 02:13:14 AM
of course i wouldn't brag about it. i wouldn't even talk about myself. i'd say "ENJOY THE TAX HIKE YOUR REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS GOT YOU." and then the business of image management would begin in earnest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 02:15:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 02:03:41 AM
Prole: I really mean what I said, not as a troll.  When people rehash the same debates over and over, they tend to read anyone who's disagreeing them as fitting whatever the typical opposite viewpoint is.

If I see a liberal use "adult" "grown-up" or "VSP" as a pejorative (see Greenwald, FDL, etc), that's a sign to me they're mocking the Broder/DLC/Hiatt worldview, which holds compromise as more important than the results it produces, and which excludes strong, unapologetic progressive opinions from polite conversation in the political and media classes.

And hey, I agree with the netroots there, completely.  The problem is that it's become such sore point that you can't say anything or defense of Democratic officeholders without making a lot of people feel that you're patronizing them.  And once people start responding to views that they project on you rather than your own actual opinions, it becomes pretty fucking hopeless (last year I was accused of being a pro-Ahmadinejad stooge in the comment section of a feminist blog!  Yay!).


which would be fine if i was disagreeing your direct opinion. instead, i took umbrage with obama's remarks, which you cited, and to which you added your explicit and unqualified support in a checkbox!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2010, 02:34:35 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 02:13:14 AM
of course i wouldn't brag about it. i wouldn't even talk about myself. i'd say "ENJOY THE TAX HIKE YOUR REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS GOT YOU." and then the business of image management would begin in earnest.

Image management? Governing is not McDonalds. You could decree everyone gets infinite side hugz from Halle Berry for two years to make up for it,and people would still be pissed. You can't raise people's taxes and get away with it, end of story. Especially not after promising not to, unless you want to go fishing with HW. Letting the cuts expire for the middle class is not on the table if a president wants to be re-elected. The Bush tax cuts were a pretty clever time bomb.

With that in mind, something had to be agreed upon (since the nuclear option is apparently not on the table, smh). Obama is right that ideologues can't simply walk away from the table/discussion unless they get everything they want. Whether it's this deal or Scott Brown working to allow states to opt out of the health care bill/create their own system, a good political process needs compromise to thrive. You don't get anything by going home empty handed because of principles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 02:42:02 AM
did you miss the joke about being a one-termer, maurice? mandark asked what i woulda done. i think we need to boost taxes and bring revenue in, and upscale government spend to get out of this recession. i'd take that bullet, and gladly, and likewise spin as much blame on the republicans as possible. clearly, YOU can't play a game of chicken any better than obama can. have you been listening to ezra klein get all hysterical about this again?

besides, exactly how popular is obama now? this ain't gonna save his image, either, now that his base is in revolt. (although i do kinda appreciate his token gesture to small businesses amidst his folding.)

and yes, politics IS mcdonalds: perception dictates reality. it's why sarah palin is still in business. as long as folks so naively think that politics is anything OTHER than a giant shell game, they'll continue to get played as fools. in the game of realpolitik, hypocrisy is a tool, not a failing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2010, 03:00:00 AM
Ah ok, your plan; missed that part, my bad. I'll stick with Obama's and actually create some jobs and put money in people's pockets. I don't mean to sound flippant, but given the two choices it seems like one option is significantly better for the country than the other. I'd still vote for you  :-*

anyway
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/12/8/926769/-Keith-Olbermanns-Special-Comment-destroys-Barack-Obamas-argument-for-Bush-Tax-Cuts-%28Video%29
 :santocry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2010, 03:00:48 AM
Quote from: Some guy on twitter
“At one point, Obama said he would rather be a good one-term president rather than a mediocre two-term president. However, because of his failure to challenge the Republican­s, it now appears that he will end up being a mediocre (or worse) one-term president.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 03:06:33 AM
pd: i'm not arguing that there isn't a silver lining in the compromise -- far from it. the cbo estimates that potentially a couple million jobs could result from spending associated with the middle-class tax cuts and the small business stimulus (although I'll ask how many government and private sector jobs will be lost by 900b in budget shortfall over the next two years as well). i am arguing with obama's methodology, and the idea that small steps are the rational approach, when historically sweeping changes and legislation have been a necessity in times as dire as this. and most importantly, as a leader, you do NOT capitulate to foolishness offered by beggars operating in bad faith. no matter how ol' nobama furrows his brow in consternation at his critics, he fucking caved. he didn't TRY to get it all. period.

obama wasn't given "two choices." he let the republicans and the media frame his choices. he could have chosen to control the framing through image management and realpolitik, but he didn't, and here we are!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2010, 03:14:48 AM
On that, I agree 100%. He essentially "won" a handful of pretty conservative victories, while giving republicans even more conservative victories. And what exactly changes in 2012 when this tax increase spectre is revived? It just will get extended again and again and again until one party has the votes to shitcan or extend it.

While I'm not happy he is conceding to sheer madness, these clowns have everyone by the balls: if they don't get their way, they block everything and everyone's taxes go up. But Obama is still president, and as such he has the ability to change the entire debate with a veto threat or the nuclear option. Right now congressman from both sides are saying they won't support this deal; Pelosi has 100 dems against it allegedly. If that's true, there really is no other option than a nuclear one. The house already passed the middle class tax cuts. 50+Biden in the senate and we go from QQing to dapping Obama for being badass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 03:17:26 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 03:06:33 AM
(although I'll ask how many government and private sector jobs will be lost by 900b in budget shortfall over the next two years as well).

Wait, what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 03:22:30 AM
that 900b in continued tax cuts means 900b less theoretical revenue for the government, which, as the largest employer and source of capital investment in the country, could be deployed in, i dunno, job creation and/or preservation. but yeah, shortfall wasn't the right word. my bad!

that said, i don't see taxes increasing as a bad thing despite the overall unpopularity of such an act; in fact, i view it as a very necessary thing. that tends to color my perception of this whole affair.

and if the white house had any druthers, they could have passed the unemployment extension separately, AND hung the republicans out to dry on it. hell, scottie brown even said as much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2010, 03:51:56 AM
I think that's a big part of why the netroots are so sour on this deal.  Lots of them would be okay with the cuts expiring altogether, whereas it's a high priority for the White House to extend unemployment benefits and the refundable cuts while the economy's still down.  If you feel fine walking away, you're going to expect a much tougher negotiating stance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 08, 2010, 06:38:54 AM
The tax cuts expiring could send potentially millions of lower and middle class Americans over the edge.  I imagine quite a few are on knife's edge and having a thousand more dollars in taxes may very well mean bills getting paid vs. defaulting.

Republicans were going to fight to retain the upper class tax cuts anyway.

I think extending the cuts a couple years from now was the best plan.  By that time, hopefully the economy should be moving again, and Obama maybe can obtain more political capital to stand up to the GOP in 2012 when Sarah Palin's presidential bid is collapsing when people are no longer tolerant of her aw shucks incoherency.

The deficit will widen though but like I said, neither party really cares until it hits some crisis point.

I don't think Obama is some political genius for this compromise like the cult set is insinuating.  He's just caving, as per the usual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 11:36:29 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld1ptk5AkY1qcb5fko1_r1_250.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2010, 12:23:32 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 08, 2010, 11:36:29 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld1ptk5AkY1qcb5fko1_r1_250.gif)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
wait, wtf is that from?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2010, 10:47:23 AM
It's a fake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2010, 11:02:13 AM
too bad :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2010, 12:04:01 PM
So the House Democrats are apparently not going to debate the tax cuts that the Senate passed.  Democrats are finally deciding to show backbone?  YOU'RE TWO YEARS LATE YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS

Also, DREAM act passed the House last night but I expected it would.  The Senate is where I'm skeptical and now that House Democrats are throwing a fit I really doubt it'll pass the Senate. 

Again, TWO YEARS TOO LATE YOU STUPID FUCKS!  LET'S GROW A BACKBONE DURING A LAME DUCK SESSION.  YES.  PLEASE. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2010, 12:12:49 PM
THOSE FUCKING PRICKS.  THEY CANCELED THE DREAM ACT VOTE SO IT'S FUCKING DEAD.  FUCKING DEAD.  GAHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2010, 12:34:20 PM
They  tabled it since there aren't 60 votes for it smh. Wouldn't have this problem if they changed the filibuster

Quote
Democrats have delayed a showdown vote on legislation carving out a path to legal status for foreign-born youngsters brought to this country illegally.

Facing GOP objections, Democrats are putting aside the so-called Dream Act. They're short of the 60 votes needed to advance the measure.

Democratic officials say they'll try to move a House-passed version after the Senate acts on funding the government and extending tax cuts. Republicans have said they won't agree to consider anything else until those issues are addressed.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/12/democrats_delay_action_on_young_immigrants_bill.php?ref=fpa

edit: it's getting voted on next week
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2010, 01:40:59 PM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2e5krgx.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2010, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 09, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
wait, wtf is that from?

It was from Jay Leno.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2010, 03:56:01 PM
[youtube=560,345]DXEREI5IYb0[/youtube]

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2010, 04:18:55 PM
Quote
Pelosi won't hold vote on Obama's tax plan -aide

Dec 9 (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi will not bring President Barack Obama's current proposed tax plan up for a vote in her chamber, an aide said on Thursday.

The aide said Pelosi would require changes be made to the measure that most of her fellow House Democrats formally opposed by approving a resolution of opposition to it. The aide said: "She (Pelosi) will honor the resolution."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSWEN422420101209

Oh, dear.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 09, 2010, 06:01:45 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101209/cm_ac/7370814_westboro_baptist_church_to_protest_elizabeth_edwards_funeral

Since Elizabeth Edwards was apparently in favor of gay marriage, the westboro baptist church is going to protest at her funeral.  Supposedly, 800 people joined a facebook group to make a "wall of peace" around the protesters to keep them from disrupting the funeral.  Can't people just ignore them?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 09, 2010, 06:06:23 PM
I was just about to post that.  That's messed up, very disrespectful.  It's like they're trolling to be despised.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2010, 06:11:10 PM
I for one am looking forward to Fred Phelps' funeral.  Not saying I hope he dies, but I'm just saying the awesome stuff done during his funeral is gonna be epic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: G The Resurrected on December 09, 2010, 06:13:13 PM
Man I forgot how freaking hard it is to write up a resume. Anyone got any good templates or suggestions? I've been sitting in front of my computer for a few hours trying to do this and I am getting so frustrated.

Self worth = Zero right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: G The Resurrected on December 09, 2010, 06:32:37 PM
I got $30 but thats about it lol. Seriously though $300 bucks fuck? I'm just now going back to college I don't have that kind of change :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2010, 07:07:03 PM
running for congress, G?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on December 09, 2010, 06:06:23 PM
I was just about to post that.  That's messed up, very disrespectful.  It's like they're trolling to be despised.

These people are borderline insane, it's hard to figure out just why it is they do what they do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 09, 2010, 08:10:34 PM
Ron Paul will be Chairman of the Subcommittee for Monetary Policy


Ron Paul, Author of ‘End the Fed,’ to Lead Fed Panel
December 09, 2010, 2:51 PM EST

Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Representative Ron Paul, Texas Republican and author of “End the Fed,” will take control of the House subcommittee that oversees the Federal Reserve.
House Financial Services chairman-elect Spencer Bachus, an Alabama Republican, selected Paul, 75, to lead the panel’s domestic monetary policy subcommittee when their party takes the House majority next month, the committee chairman said today.

“This is the leadership team that crafted the first comprehensive financial reform bill to put an end to the bailouts, wind down the taxpayer funding of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and enforce a strong audit of the Federal Reserve,” Bachus said in a statement.

Paul, in an interview last week, said he plans a slate of hearings on U.S. monetary policy and will restart his push for a full audit of the Fed’s functions.

“We are ready to hit the ground running, and I look forward to continuing our work in the next Congress,” Bachus said.

Paul, who has introduced legislation to abolish the Fed, became nationally known during his 2008 presidential campaign. His campaign to audit the Fed picked up steam as the central bank deployed trillions of dollars in emergency loans in the midst of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Paul’s bill gained the support of 320 of 435 members of the House and a portion of the measure ended up in the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory overhaul enacted this year.

Attacks on Bernanke

Paul’s assignment comes as the Republican Party has stepped up attacks on Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and the central bank in the wake of the Nov. 3 announcement that it would buy bonds in an attempt to bring down unemployment and prevent inflation.

“Congress must act to rein in Chairman Bernanke and the Fed before they destroy our currency and permanently damage our economy and financial system,” Senator Jim Bunning, a Kentucky Republican, said in his farewell speech on the Senate floor today. “Public awareness of what the Fed is doing is increasing while public opinion of the Fed is falling.”

Bunning’s views are reflected throughout the country, according to a Bloomberg National Poll that reveals deep skepticism about the Fed.

Americans across the political spectrum say the central bank shouldn’t retain its current structure of independence, according to the poll. Asked if the central bank should be more accountable to Congress, left independent or abolished entirely, 39 percent said it should be held more accountable and 16 percent that it should be abolished. Only 37 percent favor the status quo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: G The Resurrected on December 09, 2010, 09:14:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2010, 07:07:03 PM
running for congress, G?

Hell no!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2010, 09:48:14 AM
This is pretty tacky, considering Obama didn't even deserve it when he did get it.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2010/12/obama-honors-nobel-winner-statement-about-himself (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2010/12/obama-honors-nobel-winner-statement-about-himself)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 10, 2010, 10:19:32 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 09, 2010, 06:11:10 PM
I for one am looking forward to Fred Phelps' funeral.  Not saying I hope he dies, but I'm just saying the awesome stuff done during his funeral is gonna be epic.
Ugh.  I know it's wrong to want it, but I know somewhere deep down I do.  He's a terrible, disgusting piece of shit.  Luckily, unlike him, I can separate those feelings and realize I'm better than that.

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Plus, I know he can't have that much longer so i'll just bide my time.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 10, 2010, 11:37:35 AM
What's wrong with wanting him to die? He's a piece of shit.

 :lol

Silly liberals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2010, 03:27:39 PM
Fred Phelps is like that Florida preacher who was gonna hold a Koran-burning.

They're shitty dudes, but they're not in positions of power; provocative symbolism's all they got.  While everybody's condemning Phelps, it's mainstream organizations and politicians who prevent gay people from actually being treated as equal citizens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on December 10, 2010, 03:33:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 10, 2010, 03:27:39 PM
Fred Phelps is like that Florida preacher who was gonna hold a Koran-burning.

They're shitty dudes, but they're not in positions of power; provocative symbolism's all they got.  While everybody's condemning Phelps, it's mainstream organizations and politicians who prevent gay people from actually being treated as equal citizens.

AMEN.

Phelps is a fucking real life troll no doubt who garners massive amounts of hate (deservedly so).  Those same people, however, never once stop to consider what it is he actually represents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 10, 2010, 11:45:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 09, 2010, 06:29:20 PM
I paid someone like 300 bucks to write a resume for me.  It worked like a charm.

I'm hardly the expert on this, and writing and editing mine makes me want to claw my eyes out but, and depending on your field:
- put your main qualifications in bullet point below your name, before getting into job history (like an executive summary almost)
- all of your job history descriptions shouldn't be a series of I did X, I was X...it should read I did X that resulted in Y, I was X that faciliated the company blah blah Y'ing the shit out of things etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 10, 2010, 11:53:25 PM
Bernie Sanders going philabusta on the floor all weekend

1. He's pretty awesome

2. This is the only way that the filibuster should ever be allowed to be used. Not a toe-tap between the senate bathroom stalls and that's it. Say you're gonna use it, be forced to use it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 11, 2010, 12:11:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 10, 2010, 03:27:39 PM
Fred Phelps is like that Florida preacher who was gonna hold a Koran-burning.

They're shitty dudes, but they're not in positions of power; provocative symbolism's all they got.  While everybody's condemning Phelps, it's mainstream organizations and politicians who prevent gay people from actually being treated as equal citizens.

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 01:30:31 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/bachmann-i-dont-think-tax-cuts-should-be-defined-as-a-deficit-video.php?ref=fpb

How do people get away with this shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2010, 03:44:09 AM
Speaking of the gay and its discontents, Reid's introducing a standalone bill to repeal DADT, after a few Republican Senators (Brown, Murkowksi, Voinovich, maybe Snowe) said they were voting against it in the larger defense bill because of procedural issues.

Now the question is whether they're just withholding their votes to extract concessions/slow down the lame-duck session (reprehensible but something you can work with) or whether they're just dead-set against it (reprehensible and hopeless).  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on December 11, 2010, 11:40:08 AM
I hear echoes of Mandark in the latest David Brooks op-ed: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/opinion/10brooks.html?src=me&ref=general (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/10/opinion/10brooks.html?src=me&ref=general)

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Forgive me, Mandark
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2010, 11:48:09 AM
first sentence, like clockwork

Quote
Over the past week we’ve seen the big differences between cluster liberals and network liberals.

Brooks should have been an entomologist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 13, 2010, 12:41:47 PM
It's fine if the mandate goes. The other insurance rules(ending recision, lifetime caps, etc..) are the most important part if HCR imo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 12:58:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2010, 12:37:55 PM
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd mandatory insurance ruled unconstitutional by a Virginia judge.  That about wraps it up for Obama.

Is anyone surprised?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 12:59:25 PM
I love the headline on Drudge. It's just a picture of Obama with the words "unconstitutional" underneath. lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on December 13, 2010, 12:41:47 PM
It's fine if the mandate goes. The other insurance rules(ending recision, lifetime caps, etc..) are the most important part if HCR imo.

The mandate is one of the most essential cost cutting aspects of the bill; it ensures insurance pools aren't filled with old and sick people. The SC would have to ignore a lot of law in order to rule in favor of this nonsense. Personally I'm glad we finally got to this point: this should put the argument to rest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on December 13, 2010, 12:41:47 PM
It's fine if the mandate goes. The other insurance rules(ending recision, lifetime caps, etc..) are the most important part if HCR imo.

The mandate is one of the most essential cost cutting aspects of the bill; it ensures insurance pools aren't filled with old and sick people. The SC would have to ignore a lot of law in order to rule in favor of this nonsense. Personally I'm glad we finally got to this point: this should put the argument to rest.

Wait... You guys actually thought this was cutting costs? This does absolutely nothing to cut costs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 01:30:46 PM
Please explain, Beardo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 01:09:22 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on December 13, 2010, 12:41:47 PM
It's fine if the mandate goes. The other insurance rules(ending recision, lifetime caps, etc..) are the most important part if HCR imo.

The mandate is one of the most essential cost cutting aspects of the bill; it ensures insurance pools aren't filled with old and sick people. The SC would have to ignore a lot of law in order to rule in favor of this nonsense. Personally I'm glad we finally got to this point: this should put the argument to rest.

Wait... You guys actually thought this was cutting costs? This does absolutely nothing to cut costs.

Oh this argument again - actually it's not an argument, it's a failed troll perpetuated by a group of willfully ignorant folk. I'm not going to waste my time posting the CBO report and other studies that shit can your argument. The bill cuts costs, that's a fact. Is it some godscend that fixes everything and cuts costs significantly? No. But it's sure as hell going to make things easier for millions of people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 02:30:33 PM
The argument I've heard so far is "It will cost more than they say!  It always does!  Look at Social Security!"

stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 02:36:02 PM
typically this debate goes the same way irl

"the health care bill sucks, it doesn't change anything or lower prices"
"actually premiums will go down due to the subsidies in the bill, at least for middle class folks"
"HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ THE BILL??!?!"
"i've read some of it. luckily the CBO read it for me, and said premiums get lowered"
"you let other people read things and tell you what to think? what are you, a Catholic? fucking pedos"

Actually that last part never happened
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 02:37:50 PM
 :lol :lol

Nah, the argument I always get is "my doctor said that if the bill passes he's not gonna be able to afford to stay in business"  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 13, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
There were 14 federal judges that said the mandate IS constitutional.

How exactly do these judicial decisions work? As long as only one federal judge disagrees with the constitutionality, then all the other opinions are ignored?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 05:10:53 PM
It'll probably go to the appellate court first. The VA AG requested an injunction but was denied. That kinda tells me even the judge knows this is a far fetch; why not make an injunctive ruling and force the Obama administration to act, if you truly think it's a winning argument.

also, looks like the dude is a pure GOP stooge. I wonder, will conservatives admit this guy is the definition of an activist judge or conveniently ignore this? We know the answer
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/judge-who-ruled-health-care-reform-unconstitutional-owns-piece-of-gop-consulting-firm.php?ref=fpi

derp derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 13, 2010, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
It goes up the ladder until the SC rules on it.

So basically it's fucked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
I cant wait for the day liberals are forced to buy something they don't want. The irony will be lost on every one of you hipster douche bags and I shall bask in liberal tears.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 05:37:24 PM
We've been paying for you conservative bastards' emergency room visits for years now, we're used to it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2010, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 12:59:25 PM
I love the headline on Drudge. It's just a picture of Obama with the words "unconstitutional" underneath. lol

cooooold blooooooded
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2010, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2010, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
I cant wait for the day liberals are forced to buy something they don't want. The irony will be lost on every one of you hipster douche bags and I shall bask in liberal tears.

Like paying for Kentucky ???

Or David Brooks' math education?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 13, 2010, 06:31:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2010, 05:37:24 PM
We've been paying for you conservative bastards' emergency room visits for years now, we're used to it

Personal responsibility sounds good in theory, but it's the application that seems to be the problem.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 06:59:50 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
I cant wait for the day liberals are forced to buy something they don't want. The irony will be lost on every one of you hipster douche bags and I shall bask in liberal tears.
oh so i guess you dropped the expense argument now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2010, 07:08:59 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 13, 2010, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2010, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
I cant wait for the day liberals are forced to buy something they don't want. The irony will be lost on every one of you hipster douche bags and I shall bask in liberal tears.

Like paying for Kentucky ???

Or David Brooks' math education?

Or the Iraq war?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on December 13, 2010, 07:39:39 PM
Speaking of paying for things, this formerly conservative guy is in favor of an across-the-board tax hike. It would be progressive, so the poor would be least affected in percentage, as is the American custom. It would not raise tax rates to pre-Bush levels for the middle class, and it might be seen as a mere token increase at some brackets, but I think the federal deficit is something all Americans must come to grips with and be willing to make sacrifices in order to bring us back into balance and (hopefully) into surplusses.

Quit dancing around the topic, quit ignoring it, both sides. Tackle the deficit head-on, and taxes are a piece of it.

Then there's the matter of the budget. I'm not in favor of cutting government services, but I would certainly appreciate a renewed vigor for identifying and eliminating waste. I would like to see a decrease in "military industrial complex" spending. While we should certainly be available for humanitarian causes with our military, it's time to let the world otherwise solve its own problems. If they want our help, let them come begging, and out in the open.

It's time to throw off the shackles of the American political system of politicians being beholden to their corporate donors (or, as in the case of elected Republicans, themselves). I would love to see the American media expose these liars and hypocrites for what they are at every turn. Senator So-And-So came out today against some-such-provision, and it's worth noting that among the Senator's largest contributors are companies whose profits may be impacted. These corporations are seldom about protecting American jobs or serving the interests of their American customers, so screw them all, and call politicians to the carpet for allowing the continued degredation of the lower and middle class.

Stand up for American families, stand up for good common sense.

Not to rant, or anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 07:54:28 PM
i think i can agree with everything you said. raise my taxes back to normal levels. key word: normal. these tax cuts were never permanent dammit. fuck the fallout. let the ugliness start now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on December 13, 2010, 07:59:55 PM
I mean, I wouldn't raise taxes all in one fell-swoop. It would be a gradual ratcheting. A bit this year, a bit the next, etc. But just plainly say "we can't afford to keep these rates at their current levels, so we're not going to even lie and say we can. We won't raise rates all at once because of the economy being in the state it is in, but just know, it's coming."

That's what I can't stand most about Republicans. "We can't extend unemployment benefits without paying for it, and by the way, it's time to extend the tax cuts for the wealthy."  >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 13, 2010, 08:04:43 PM
I'd do it all at once.  you peel off part of that bandaid, its gonna hurt and you won't wanna do it again. that's what I'm scared of. plus i don't think its fair to raise one bracket before the other. we are all in this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on December 13, 2010, 08:08:41 PM
My napkin version of it had all brackets going up each year, but gradually. It was something like

10-10.5-11%
15-15.5-16.5%
25-26-27.5%
35-37-39%

So the 10% bracket (didn't exist pre-Bush) would end up at 11% (but not wiped out), 15% would go up a bit, and the 25-35% brackets would end up near or at Clinton levels. Maybe you expand tax credits/deductions or move the brackets around to ensure that lower and middle income earners still come out ahead or at the very least at par versus the Clinton years, and maybe there are other brackets, didn't really look, but that's not the point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2010, 10:33:37 PM
Another nice (not to mention SANE) thing would be to tax capital gains at the same rate as regular earnings, so that these cock-sucking hedge fund managers who dumpster-raped the economy into oblivion would have to pay taxes at a normal rate as opposed to paying like 15% on their millions made each year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 14, 2010, 12:04:45 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/13/the-simpsons-fox-news-christmas_n_795685.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 14, 2010, 06:31:47 AM
Bocsius: While that is good and all, as long as voters vote for someone who they'd rather have a beer with, or whether they smoked pot in college or not, the system will remain as broken as it currently is.  While people are generally concerned about the deficit, if neither side gives a fuck, then it is going to exist in the state it is in.

I'd at least like to see an audit for defense spending.  I recall some scandal a while back where some woman sold the government some screws and got hundreds of millions of dollars out of it.  I think she was caught defrauding the government but the fact that people can throw this kind of money around until well after the purchase is a sign of how fucked up things are at the DOD.

I also agree with Triumph.  Jack up the taxes on capital gains and most investments.  That is where the real money is.

Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 13, 2010, 12:54:58 PM
This is going to set up a pretty epic repeal fight.  The 'pubs are going to keep beating that "unconstitutional" drum and the dems, as usual, will change tone 40 times during the debate.

Given that the default Democratic position is the fetal position, it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
Interestingly if the SC were to rule against the mandate, that would effectively kill the health care bill. Obama's main achievement will be gone, and republicans would have an even easier time dismantling the bill which would raise a lot of premiums without a mandate. Even if Obama were re-elected in epic fashion and dems retake the house, it would be unlikely that they'd be willing to sacrifice themselves again for a huge battle. So we wouldn't see health care reform for another decade or so, but maybe next time it would actually be single payer lol

We wouldn't be having this conversation of the bill had a medicare buy-in. Maybe liberals will get the last laugh


Buut I doubt that'll happen. And oh look, this judge just looks better and better
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/amateur-hour-va-judge-makes-elementary-error-in-health-care-ruling.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 14, 2010, 11:36:02 AM
Quote from: Beardo on December 13, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
I cant wait for the day liberals are forced to buy something they don't want. The irony will be lost on every one of you hipster douche bags and I shall bask in liberal tears.

prisoners who have done minor shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2010, 02:11:59 AM
From the commission that's meant to investigate and report on the causes of the financial crisis:

Quote
During a private commission meeting last week, all four Republicans voted in favor of banning the phrases "Wall Street" and "shadow banking" and the words "interconnection" and "deregulation" from the panel's final report, according to a person familiar with the matter and confirmed by Brooksley E. Born, one of the six commissioners who voted against the proposal.

What the fuck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2010, 02:26:00 AM
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/12/gop-epic-financial-crisis-commission-fail
 
>:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2010, 02:30:37 AM
Quote
As Nasiripour's reporting anticipated, the words that most people associate with the financial crisis—"Wall Street", "interconnected", "shadow banking", "deregulation", credit default swap—are absent from the Republicans' report. The word "derivative" is nowhere to be found.

What the double fuck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2010, 02:33:14 AM
Their ultimate conclusion was that the way to stop this from happening again in the future is to lower the deficit.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2010, 02:57:26 AM
I'm all for people being able to name drop pieces of legislation, but when the Community Reinvestment Act is the only one something is usually up.
Title: Seeing history as it happens! Kinda
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2010, 03:45:45 AM
I remember when I first started wasting my life arguing politics on the internet, I'd spend lots of time reading outlandish claims by freepers, thinking "that doesn't sound right" and spending 45 minutes on Google trying to verify/debunk.

But I realized a while ago how it actually works.

When the CRA stuff started popping up, all I thought was "Hey, I'm getting to see the creation of an alternate history as it happens.  Eventually, a big chunk of our society will accept as fact that lending to poor minorities caused the collapse, just like they know that the New Deal exacerbated the Depression, tariffs caused the Civil War, and Silent Spring killed millions of Africans.  I'll hear kids half my age recite this bullshit decades from now, and be able to remember exactly when it came about.  This is pretty cool!"




edit:  The best part about this kind of thing is that if you're familiar with the memes, it gives you a very quick, easy, and accurate way of figuring out who not to listen to.  If I read a piece where someone says "revenues actually went up X% after the Reagan tax cuts" then I know that they're either disingenuous or ignorant, and either way I can move on to something important like finding pirated streams of English soccer matches.

The worst part is the sheer :smug -ness of it all.  The appeal of these narratives isn't just that it comports with the believers' previous opinions, but that it's a special knowledge only shared by a select, free-thinking few.  Everyone else is blinkered by the MSM and political correctness (http://www.conservativebookclub.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c7288).  It's a very self-flattering way of looking at the world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 16, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Kind of like how Liberals have been claiming the end of poverty since LBJ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2010, 09:45:47 AM
It's ok beardo, your conservative overlords are doing their best to bring massive poverty back to America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 16, 2010, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: Beardo on December 16, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Kind of like how Liberals have been claiming the end of poverty since LBJ.

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 16, 2010, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 16, 2010, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: Beardo on December 16, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Kind of like how Liberals have been claiming the end of poverty since LBJ.

wat

wat indeed
Title: recursive was totally right about conservatives and capitalization
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2010, 12:53:58 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 16, 2010, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 16, 2010, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: Beardo on December 16, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
Kind of like how Liberals have been claiming the end of poverty since LBJ.

wat

wat indeed

wat wat wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 16, 2010, 06:44:08 PM
well then, let's make up some insane republican strawmen!

hm

kind of like how republicans have been promising that the success of large corporate entities will be good for america!

fuck

lemme try again

kind of like how republicans have been claiming that the deregulation of financial markets will lead to more stability

argh

kind of like how republicans have considered addressing the deficit as a critical pillar of their fiscal agenda

GOD DAMMIT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on December 16, 2010, 07:15:00 PM
 :lol

I presume the frustration comes from there being no insane strawmen to create! (Because today's insane Republican strawman is tomorrow's Republican policy.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 16, 2010, 11:12:24 PM
Watching the Daily Show, Stewart talking with four 9/11 First Responders.

This is brutal...fuck the Republican senators.

edit:  Holy shit.  One Senator saying they can't work through the holidays because it would be "disrespectful" to do so to all Christians and their families.

....

..

the contrast of those words being played in front of firefighters and police officers who routinely have to work on holidays.  fucking assholes, the lot of 'em.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 17, 2010, 01:09:00 AM
Quote from: Boogie on December 16, 2010, 11:12:24 PM
Watching the Daily Show, Stewart talking with four 9/11 First Responders.

This is brutal...fuck the Republican senators.

edit:  Holy shit.  One Senator saying they can't work through the holidays because it would be "disrespectful" to do so to all Christians and their families.

....

..

the contrast of those words being played in front of firefighters and police officers who routinely have to work on holidays.  fucking assholes, the lot of 'em.

:usacry

Never Forget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2010, 01:59:25 AM
Quote
Kirk, the most junior member of the Senate asked, "Did we just win?"

McCain responded, "I think there's very little doubt that the Majority Leader of the United States Senate would not have taken the action he just took if we didn't have 41 votes to stop this monstrosity."

Kirk continued, "so for economic conservatives, a 1,924-page bill just died?

"A 1,924-page bill just died," McCain responded laughing.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/after-spending-bill-implodes-reid-schedules-vote-on-dadt-repeal.php?ref=fpa
[youtube=560,345]MzgYRskMREo[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 17, 2010, 02:25:39 AM
Quote
"House progressives are still prepared for President Obama's tax cut compromise to pass unamended. But they temporarily derailed that train this afternoon to be heard publicly on just how bad they think the package is."

I don't care what Mandark says, this quote is hilarious(ly sad).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
For today's 'No Shit (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.php?nid=&id=&pnt=671&lb=)' news:
Quote
Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely), most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points), the economy is getting worse (26 points), most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points), the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points), their own income taxes have gone up (14 points), the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points), when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points) and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points). The effect was also not simply a function of partisan bias, as people who voted Democratic and watched Fox News were also more likely to have such misinformation than those who did not watch it--though by a lesser margin than those who voted Republican.

Quote
There were cases with some other news sources as well. Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.

tl;dr
Fox news viewers most misinformed. All network news outlets are shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 17, 2010, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on December 17, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
For today's 'No Shit (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.php?nid=&id=&pnt=671&lb=)' news:
Quote
Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely), most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points), the economy is getting worse (26 points), most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points), the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points), their own income taxes have gone up (14 points), the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points), when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points) and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points). The effect was also not simply a function of partisan bias, as people who voted Democratic and watched Fox News were also more likely to have such misinformation than those who did not watch it--though by a lesser margin than those who voted Republican.

Quote
There were cases with some other news sources as well. Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.

tl;dr
Fox news viewers most misinformed. All network news outlets are shit.


I'm not sure if that second half was trying to draw some false equivalency, but it was stretchin'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on December 17, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 16, 2010, 02:11:59 AM
From the commission that's meant to investigate and report on the causes of the financial crisis:

Quote
During a private commission meeting last week, all four Republicans voted in favor of banning the phrases "Wall Street" and "shadow banking" and the words "interconnection" and "deregulation" from the panel's final report, according to a person familiar with the matter and confirmed by Brooksley E. Born, one of the six commissioners who voted against the proposal.

Yeah, I heard about that the other day on the librul NPR

 :piss Republicans :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 17, 2010, 07:20:59 PM
I'm not sure if that second half was trying to draw some false equivalency, but it was stretchin'

It's hard for people to find equally crazy liberal shibboleths, because there generally aren't any*.

The conservative movement's been driven by people who feel shunned/marginalized/lied to by academia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_Man_at_Yale), Hollywood (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbighollywood.breitbart.com%2F&rct=j&q=big%20hollywood&ei=rSsMTaWwDIO78gaPlcS3Dg&usg=AFQjCNGlwtCZYp7DorhpMn3OCs3wxvvqNA&cad=rja), and the news media (http://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0895261901).  Who felt that because they were being shut out, that they needed their own think tanks, publishing houses, news network, (home) school system, etc.

So rejecting some facets of mainstream knowledge in favor of special conservative "truths" is a way of showing tribal solidarity, in a way that just doesn't have an equivalent on the left.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
*Which isn't to say that there aren't plenty of liberals/leftists who believe absolutely crazy shit, just that there aren't really beliefs that are 1) obviously, importantly, factually wrong and 2) so widespread that they'd have to be pandered to by an aspiring Democratic candidate.  Like say the Laffer Curve stuff with the GOP.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on December 17, 2010, 11:24:54 PM
My unscientific opinion is that a vast swath of Republican support is from social conservatives (like myself) that are mostly along for the ride on the fiscal side of the ledger (formerly like myself). Because of strongly held beliefs that cause you to support one part of the platform, you mentally subscribe to the other.

It's basically a problem of the two party system in the current political climate, there's little room for middle ground or straddling fences. Those dual-axis, four corner charts are nice to plot yourself against, but the current party system is concentrated in two opposite corners of the chart with no one to speak for the people in the other corners. At least, not with a voice loud enough to be heard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2010, 12:17:14 AM
There's definitely something to that, but on the other hand politics in pretty much every European country (most of which involve more credible parties than the US) seems to split along roughly the same fault lines.

The groups that supported the creation and expansions of the welfare state have generally been socially progressive, while those that opposed it have been concerned about traditional sexual mores, immigration, etc.  So whether it's neurochemistry, shared Western culture, the vagaries of a developed capitalist economy, or something else, something makes the left-right axis pretty widely intuitive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 18, 2010, 12:19:00 AM
ya, just that the specific location of the line tends to vary greatly from state to state.

edit:  that made more sense in my head then coming out.  for now, nm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2010, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2010, 10:55:17 PM

The conservative movement's been driven by people who feel shunned/marginalized/lied to by academia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_Man_at_Yale), Hollywood (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbighollywood.breitbart.com%2F&rct=j&q=big%20hollywood&ei=rSsMTaWwDIO78gaPlcS3Dg&usg=AFQjCNGlwtCZYp7DorhpMn3OCs3wxvvqNA&cad=rja), and the news media (http://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0895261901).  Who felt that because they were being shut out, that they needed their own think tanks, publishing houses, news network, (home) school system, etc.


Sort of like conservatives complaining about not having an Ebony/Jet/Black Enterprise/etc equivalent mags? Maybe we'll get some white-centric magazines in the near future, given how quickly conservatives made their own think tanks; might as well trademark Ivory, Boeing, and White Empire now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2010, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 17, 2010, 07:20:59 PM
I'm not sure if that second half was trying to draw some false equivalency, but it was stretchin'

It's hard for people to find equally crazy liberal shibboleths, because there generally aren't any*.

The conservative movement's been driven by people who feel shunned/marginalized/lied to by academia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_Man_at_Yale), Hollywood (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbighollywood.breitbart.com%2F&rct=j&q=big%20hollywood&ei=rSsMTaWwDIO78gaPlcS3Dg&usg=AFQjCNGlwtCZYp7DorhpMn3OCs3wxvvqNA&cad=rja), and the news media (http://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0895261901).  Who felt that because they were being shut out, that they needed their own think tanks, publishing houses, news network, (home) school system, etc.

So rejecting some facets of mainstream knowledge in favor of special conservative "truths" is a way of showing tribal solidarity, in a way that just doesn't have an equivalent on the left.

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*Which isn't to say that there aren't plenty of liberals/leftists who believe absolutely crazy shit, just that there aren't really beliefs that are 1) obviously, importantly, factually wrong and 2) so widespread that they'd have to be pandered to by an aspiring Democratic candidate.  Like say the Laffer Curve stuff with the GOP.
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yeah, the most crazy fringe "left" movement i can think of is the "food religious" set -- the folks into naturopathy or gaia mysticism or general food paranoia who push animal rights uber alles and remain steadfastly freaked out about bioengineering in general. there ain't THAT many of them, though, despite hollywood's best recruiting efforts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2010, 12:39:18 AM
Boogie:  I get you.  It's not the axis that changes from country to country, but where on that axis you'd place the median voter.


PD:  Actually, there's probably a really good National-Review-as-Ebony-Magazine analogy to be made here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
American empire's downfall starts today
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/dont-ask-dont-tell-repeal-advances-in-senate.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 18, 2010, 02:11:27 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2010, 12:36:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2010, 10:55:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 17, 2010, 07:20:59 PM
I'm not sure if that second half was trying to draw some false equivalency, but it was stretchin'

It's hard for people to find equally crazy liberal shibboleths, because there generally aren't any*.

The conservative movement's been driven by people who feel shunned/marginalized/lied to by academia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_and_Man_at_Yale), Hollywood (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbighollywood.breitbart.com%2F&rct=j&q=big%20hollywood&ei=rSsMTaWwDIO78gaPlcS3Dg&usg=AFQjCNGlwtCZYp7DorhpMn3OCs3wxvvqNA&cad=rja), and the news media (http://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp/0895261901).  Who felt that because they were being shut out, that they needed their own think tanks, publishing houses, news network, (home) school system, etc.

So rejecting some facets of mainstream knowledge in favor of special conservative "truths" is a way of showing tribal solidarity, in a way that just doesn't have an equivalent on the left.

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*Which isn't to say that there aren't plenty of liberals/leftists who believe absolutely crazy shit, just that there aren't really beliefs that are 1) obviously, importantly, factually wrong and 2) so widespread that they'd have to be pandered to by an aspiring Democratic candidate.  Like say the Laffer Curve stuff with the GOP.
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yeah, the most crazy fringe "left" movement i can think of is the "food religious" set -- the folks into naturopathy or gaia mysticism or general food paranoia who push animal rights uber alles and remain steadfastly freaked out about bioengineering in general. there ain't THAT many of them, though, despite hollywood's best recruiting efforts.

:piss homeopathy :piss2
:drool homopathy :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 18, 2010, 03:33:36 PM
so the DADT repeal passed the senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2010, 04:42:59 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 18, 2010, 03:33:36 PM
so the DADT repeal passed the senate.

Great. So now our soldiers not only have to worry about the enemy on the battlefield. They have to worry about the enemy in their own showers.

John McCain was against this bill and he was a POW so I'm going to defer to his judgement thank you very much!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 18, 2010, 06:10:59 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 18, 2010, 12:36:33 AM

yeah, the most crazy fringe "left" movement i can think of is the "food religious" set -- the folks into naturopathy or gaia mysticism or general food paranoia who push animal rights uber alles and remain steadfastly freaked out about bioengineering in general. there ain't THAT many of them, though, despite hollywood's best recruiting efforts.
In that case they're also opposed to any science that opposes their lifestyle views.  It seems like every non-scientific article I read about GM foods wants to call them frankenfoods or something so it's not that small of a group really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
:rock :supergay :rock

Props to the Republican Senators who bucked their party, props to the Democratic Senators without safe seats who did the right thing, props to the Democratic leadership for getting this done, props to the activists for bringing the pressure and not shutting up, props to Robert Gates, props to Joe Lieberman (!), props to a big chunk of the American people for making a No vote a political liability in lots of states.

Movement conservatism and ~95% of the GOP establishment get the gas face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2010, 06:48:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 18, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
:rock :supergay :rock

Props to the Republican Senators who bucked their party, props to the Democratic Senators without safe seats who did the right thing, props to the Democratic leadership for getting this done, props to the activists for bringing the pressure and not shutting up, props to Robert Gates, props to Joe Lieberman (!), props to a big chunk of the American people for making a No vote a political liability in lots of states.

Movement conservatism and ~95% of the GOP establishment get the gas face.

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Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a leading opponent of repeal, warned shortly before the vote that “elites” would celebrate the end of “DADT” without understanding its consequences for the armed forces.
During the debate over repeal, McCain pointed to the concerns of some military commanders that a change in the policy during wartime could jeopardize the cohesion of combat units.
“I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will understand that we are doing great damage,” he said. “And we could possibly – and probably – as the Commandant of the Marine Corps said … harm the battle effectiveness that is so vital to the survival of our young men and women in the military.

 :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 18, 2010, 06:53:16 PM
I knew Grandpa McCain was an opportunist, but after losing the election, he just seems like a bitter, old dickhead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 18, 2010, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 18, 2010, 06:53:16 PM
I knew Grandpa McCain was an opportunist, but after losing the election, he just seems like a bitter, old dickhead.

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John McCain at his fieriest before 'don't ask, don't tell' vote


By Dana Milbank
Saturday, December 18, 2010; 5:48 PM
If John McCain gets any more hostile toward his Senate colleagues, they might consider having him go through the metal detector before he enters the Capitol.

Saturday's debate on the repeal of the "don't-ask-don't-tell" policy was only half an hour old when the Arizona Republican burst onto the floor from the cloakroom, hiked up his pants and stalked over to his friend Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.). Ignoring Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.), who had the floor, McCain hectored the men noisily for a few moments, waving his arms for emphasis.

When McCain finally stormed off, Durbin shook his head in exasperation and Lieberman smiled. A minute later, McCain returned - he had apparently remembered another element of his grievance - and resumed his harangue.

It turns out McCain's fury was stirred by a trifle - he had wanted more time for the debate, which the Democrats eventually gave him - but that was typical. It doesn't take much to set off McCain these days.

Earlier in the week, he was observed in the unseemly act of publicly gloating on the Senate floor over his success in killing a massive spending bill. He's also been raising hurdles to the ratification of the Obama administration's nuclear arms treaty with Russia. At the same time, he led the opposition Saturday to repealing the ban on openly gay men and lesbians serving in the military - taking on Lieberman, who led the other side.

McCain's statement on the floor was roughly one part argument, four parts tantrum. "So here we are about six weeks after an election that repudiated the agenda of the other side," he said, and those who would repeal don't-ask-don't-tell "are acting in direct repudiation of the message of the American people." (Actually, polls show support for repeal.)

He bemoaned "this bizarro world that the majority leader has been carrying us in," and taunted: "Maybe it will require another election." The Arizonan suggested those who vote to repeal would have blood on their hands. "Don't think that it won't be at great cost," he said, punctuating his words by bouncing on his toes and chopping with his left hand. It will "probably," he said, "harm the battle effectiveness which is so vital to the survival of our young men and women in the military."



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The loss of Republican votes, no doubt, made McCain even angrier. When it came time for his closing argument before the day's key vote, McCain spoke for only a few seconds: "Today's a very sad day. The commandant of the United States Marine Corps says when your life hangs on the line, you don't want anything distracting. . . . I don't want to permit that opportunity to happen and I'll tell you why. You go up to Bethesda Naval Hospital, Marines are up there with no legs, none. You've got Marines at Walter Reed with no limbs."

McCain turned and, without another word, walked into the cloakroom.

Lieberman later said that he expects his friendship with his volatile colleague to recover. "I don't think this will leave any scars," he said. "I just think we leave this fight knowing that I was right and he was wrong. I mean, it's as simple as that."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/18/AR2010121802738.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 18, 2010, 07:14:22 PM
In this week's episode, John McCain explains that when politicians lose an election decisively, they should consider their views repudiated and acquiesce to the winning side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2010, 03:59:31 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on December 17, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
For today's 'No Shit (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/671.php?nid=&id=&pnt=671&lb=)' news:
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Those who watched Fox News almost daily were significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe that most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely), most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points), the economy is getting worse (26 points), most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points), the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points), their own income taxes have gone up (14 points), the auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points), when TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points) and that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points). The effect was also not simply a function of partisan bias, as people who voted Democratic and watched Fox News were also more likely to have such misinformation than those who did not watch it--though by a lesser margin than those who voted Republican.

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There were cases with some other news sources as well. Daily consumers of MSNBC and public broadcasting (NPR and PBS) were higher (34 points and 25 points respectively) in believing that it was proven that the US Chamber of Commerce was spending money raised from foreign sources to support Republican candidates. Daily watchers of network TV news broadcasts were 12 points higher in believing that TARP was signed into law by President Obama, and 11 points higher in believing that most Republicans oppose TARP.

tl;dr
Fox news viewers most misinformed. All network news outlets are shit.


Fox responds:

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Fox News senior vice president for news Michael Clemente has responded to the study which found that his network's viewers are more misinformed about American political issues than any other channel. In a statement to the New York Times' Brian Stelter, Clemente disparaged the University of Maryland, where the study was done.

"The latest Princeton Review ranked the University of Maryland among the top schools for having ‘Students Who Study The Least’ and being the ‘Best Party School’ – given these fine academic distinctions, we’ll regard the study with the same level of veracity it was ‘researched’ with," Clemente said.

Except it turns out...

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"For the record, the Princeton Review says the University of Maryland ranks among the 'Best Northeastern Colleges," Stelter notes. "It was No. 19 on the Review’s list of 'Best Party Schools."

Way to prove the study wrong, Fox. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 20, 2010, 10:17:06 AM
Anyone surprised Fox News is ignoring facts again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2010, 11:56:33 PM
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What the president didn’t say was that a few hours earlier he had met with and tried to assauge some his most vociferous liberal critics -- economists Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Jeffrey Sachs, Alan Blinder, and Robert Reich, the former Labor secretary.

In what two participants describe as a somewhat-argumentative one-hour discussion, Obama tried to convince the group that his compromise would deliver more bang for the buck to the economy and to people most in need of help than any other politically feasible option.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/obama-tried-to-placate-liberal-economists-20101217
(more at link)

lmao no wonder he was so pissed off with liberals at the press conference
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Speaking of Krugman even MSNBC is wipping their ass with his articles. They made a joke yesterday morning about having to brave the possibility of a Krugman article in the Times just to get ti Freidman.

What a joke.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
Looks like people can't leave liberals states fast enough.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2)

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The new numbers are a boon for Republicans, with Texas leading the way among GOP-leaning states that will gain House seats at the Rust Belt's expense. Following each once-a-decade census, the nation must reapportion the House's 435 districts to make them roughly equal in population, with each state getting at least one seat.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2010, 02:39:45 PM
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/f-c-c-approves-net-rules-and-braces-for-fight/?hp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
Not sure what gives the FCC authority to regulate the internet. Seems about right for someone who also thinks Americans can be required buy law to purchase something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 21, 2010, 02:27:16 PM
I think the main point about what you're saying is that the people at MSNBC are dumb enough to read Thomas Friedman.

Yeah, Friedman's just awful.  He's like an Oprahfied version of a public intellectual.

Too bad you don't read Krugman, Beardo.  I can't think of a better writer for explaining economic theory to a popular audience.  You might learn something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2010, 03:25:34 PM
Apparently everybody hates the FCC's new NN rules:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/why-everyone-hates-new-net-neutrality-ruleseven-nn-supporters.ars
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 03:40:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 21, 2010, 03:12:17 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
Not sure what gives the FCC authority to regulate the internet. Seems about right for someone who also thinks Americans can be required buy law to purchase something.
Remember when conservatives lost their fucking minds over a nipple?  Good times.

Was that really a conservative/liberal issue? Really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 03:42:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 21, 2010, 02:27:16 PM
I think the main point about what you're saying is that the people at MSNBC are dumb enough to read Thomas Friedman.

Yeah, Friedman's just awful.  He's like an Oprahfied version of a public intellectual.

Too bad you don't read Krugman, Beardo.  I can't think of a better writer for explaining economic theory to a popular audience.  You might learn something.

I really cant get over the fact that he looks like he poops his pants.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 21, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
Looks like people can't leave liberals states fast enough.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2)

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The new numbers are a boon for Republicans, with Texas leading the way among GOP-leaning states that will gain House seats at the Rust Belt's expense. Following each once-a-decade census, the nation must reapportion the House's 435 districts to make them roughly equal in population, with each state getting at least one seat.




Remember when Beardo was in disbelief that Texas may turn blue in the coming decades because he didn't seem to understand that there are legal Hispanics in Texas.

Now let's all gather round and listen to his commentary on demographics :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 04:18:12 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 21, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
Real question Mandark.  Is there any current conservative economists worth reading?  Any that can explain conservative positions without slipping into ideology?

Good question.  There's Bruce Bartlett, but of course I'd say that; his niche is criticizing the GOP from a conservative perspective.  Marginal Revolution, a blog by a couple of libertarianish economics professors at George Mason (which is like Chicago U East) was pretty good, but I haven't read it in a while.

Most conservative economists I read fall into two categories.  First are the hacks, like Stephen Moore and Kevin Hassett, who just repeat the main GOP talking points (like the CRA causing the housing bubble) and who have authored (http://www.amazon.com/Bullish-Bush-Owenership-Society-Stronger/dp/1568332610) some hilariously wrong books (http://www.amazon.com/Dow-36-000-Strategy-Profiting/dp/0609806998) in the past.

The others are passive-aggressive apologists like Greg Mankiw or Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who have some serious academic credentials and aren't fire-breathers, but who don't feel comfortable criticizing the GOP.  With those guys there's a palpable effort to avoid talking about the big issues, like they're embarrassed to be on the same side as mainstream conservatives but don't want to abandon their team.  Actually, the Marginal Revolution guys probably fit here too.  I remember during the financial collapse their blog was weirdly evasive about the whole thing.



Anyways, I can't think of any conservatives who can simplify and explain Friedman the way Krugman does Keynes.  But that's okay, because Krugman and Brad DeLong have read Friedman and consider him an important contributor to economic thought, so you can skim their archives and find a lot of stuff there.

So that's my answer, I guess.  I you want a good explanation of the conservative economic tradition, read the liberals!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 04:28:11 PM
Another way to think about it is that Krugman himself is the conservative explainer.  For an alternate worldview, check out the Marxists!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 21, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
Looks like people can't leave liberals states fast enough.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2)

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The new numbers are a boon for Republicans, with Texas leading the way among GOP-leaning states that will gain House seats at the Rust Belt's expense. Following each once-a-decade census, the nation must reapportion the House's 435 districts to make them roughly equal in population, with each state getting at least one seat.




Remember when Beardo was in disbelief that Texas may turn blue in the coming decades because he didn't seem to understand that there are legal Hispanics in Texas.

Now let's all gather round and listen to his commentary on demographics :teehee



Oh right, all hispanics are liberals. I forgot about that.

Can't wait till minorities realize that Democrats dont actually do anything except use them for votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2010, 04:31:22 PM
Except for the DREAM legislation, of course.
Title: And no, I'm not a big fan of What's The Matter With Kansas
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 04:32:47 PM
You know a great way of winning people over?  Telling them they're too dumb to properly recognize their own self-interests.
Title: Re: And no, I'm not a big fan of What's The Matter With Kansas
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 04:38:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 21, 2010, 04:32:47 PM
You know a great way of winning people over?  Telling them they're too dumb to properly recognize their own self-interests.

Yeah, I've already mentioned that democrats are dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 21, 2010, 04:44:11 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
Oh right, all hispanics are liberals. I forgot about that.
Can't wait till minorities realize that Democrats dont actually do anything except use them for votes.
You're being distinguished mentally-challenged here if you can't even admit that conservatives and liberals are polar opposites wrt illegal immigration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 21, 2010, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 09:29:01 AM
Speaking of Krugman even MSNBC is wipping their ass with his articles. They made a joke yesterday morning about having to brave the possibility of a Krugman article in the Times just to get ti Freidman.

What a joke.

Fortunately, I don't watch Morning Joe.

Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 21, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
Looks like people can't leave liberals states fast enough.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2)

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The new numbers are a boon for Republicans, with Texas leading the way among GOP-leaning states that will gain House seats at the Rust Belt's expense. Following each once-a-decade census, the nation must reapportion the House's 435 districts to make them roughly equal in population, with each state getting at least one seat.




Remember when Beardo was in disbelief that Texas may turn blue in the coming decades because he didn't seem to understand that there are legal Hispanics in Texas.

Now let's all gather round and listen to his commentary on demographics :teehee



Oh right, all hispanics are liberals. I forgot about that.

Can't wait till minorities realize that Democrats dont actually do anything except use them for votes.

I love this excuse. It's always amusing when some douchebag Republican congressman mentions it too:

"Oh, sure, we're being complete assholes by trying to fuck over poor people, minorities, child brides in third world countries, 9/11 first responders, etc. But it's the DEMOCRATS' fault for not being able to stop us!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2010, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
Looks like people can't leave liberals states fast enough.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2)


Anecdotal shit, but when I was doing the census it was interesting seeing so many empty and vacant houses everywhere. Initially we thought they were foreclosure related, and many were, but a shit ton wound up being people who were moving down south (or to Ohio lol)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 11:58:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2010, 11:24:17 PM
Quote from: Beardo on December 21, 2010, 02:28:05 PM
Looks like people can't leave liberals states fast enough.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Census-shows-slowing-US-apf-939635687.html?x=0&.v=2)


Anecdotal shit, but when I was doing the census it was interesting seeing so many empty and vacant houses everywhere. Initially we thought they were foreclosure related, and many were, but a shit ton wound up being people who were moving down south (or to Ohio lol)



You're from michigan right? Thats a really bad example because everyone is trying to get away from that hell hole. Like rats off a sinking ship.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2010, 12:18:33 AM
out of the frying pan into the inbred oven I guess
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 22, 2010, 12:55:07 AM
C'mon PD admit it, it's the auto unions that have fucked the state. If the unions had just let the CEOs rake in millions in bonuses instead of having the workers earn a fair share, Michigan wouldn't be where it is today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 22, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2010, 11:24:17 PM
people who were moving down south (or to Ohio lol)



THE GREAT RE-MIGRATION!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 22, 2010, 03:15:21 PM
That's been happening forever since manufacturing died and AC's been cheap and ubiquitous
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 22, 2010, 04:06:09 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 22, 2010, 03:15:21 PM
That's been happening forever since manufacturing died and AC's been cheap and ubiquitous

THE MEDIOCRE RE-MIGRATION
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
START passes with 71 votes, which I figured was basically impossible as recently as a week ago.  What's with this bizarrely productive lame duck session?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2010, 12:22:03 AM
David Broder was right, Obama is back!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 12:35:46 AM
Reading Krauthammer has actually been fun the last couple columns, cause he thinks that Obama rooked the Republicans on the tax deal and is on his way back.  He doesn't quite come out and say that the GOP needs to block anything that would improve the economy in time for November '12, but that's definitely the implication.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 23, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
START passes with 71 votes, which I figured was basically impossible as recently as a week ago.  What's with this bizarrely productive lame duck session?
Great for finding your backbones guys, think of all the shit that could have been done and done better if they had the cojones for longer then two months.

But yeah, START is a real victory and I'm glad it didn't become a victim of GOP obstinacy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2010, 12:53:06 AM
Interesting take on START and why it's a "victory"
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027216.php

Some tea partiers want to cut 20-30% of gov spending in exchange for lifting the debt ceiling, which would effectively kill any recovery/stimulus effect. I just hope Obama stands his ground and refuses to fold. Even Boehner realizes the limit has to be raised, but I wonder if he can keep his caucus in check.

I wonder how much, if any, of this "comeback" has to do with Emmanuel being gone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 02:24:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2010, 12:53:06 AM
I wonder how much, if any, of this "comeback" has to do with Emmanuel being gone.

Now now, don't be a Cheebs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2010, 08:43:27 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xajou_lHI[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
Shit like this is why I still co-sign that Obama statement.

It's a lot harder whine about the president's dolchstoss when you actually know people who have been out of work for over a year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2010, 04:08:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 02:24:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2010, 12:53:06 AM
I wonder how much, if any, of this "comeback" has to do with Emmanuel being gone.

Now now, don't be a Cheebs.

Obama should hire Rove as his chief of staff to create a real team of rivals, don't you agree?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2010, 07:14:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 23, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
It's a lot harder whine about the president's dolchstoss when you actually know people who have been out of work for over a year.

Wouldn't those people not be affected by the compromise anyway?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 24, 2010, 12:52:28 AM
As far as I understand it, it doesn't extend the maximum time that one person can receive unemployment benefits, but extends the temporary emergency system which lets people collect for up to 99 weeks rather than being cut off at half a year.

So yeah, there are a lot of people who have been out of work for over a year for whom this is kind of a big deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 30, 2010, 04:36:02 PM
What, did this all the usual contributing members to this thread get in a plane crash or somethin?



Well, I for one am shocked that Viriginia doesn't teach its kids too good:

Quote
Surprise, surprise, historians have found glaring errors in a textbook claiming that African Americans fought in large numbers for the South during the Civil War.

A number of additional errors have been found in other textbooks being used in some Virginia classrooms, since the state ordered a review of the books, the Washington Post reports.

Among the textbooks' errors are claims that the Confederacy included 12 states and the U.S. entered World War I in 1916. Five professional scholars reviewed the books, with three of them finding "disturbing" results. State officials are scheduled to meet January 10 to review the results.

"I absolutely could not believe the number of mistakes -- wrong dates and wrong facts everywhere. How in the world did these books get approved?" said Ronald Heinemann, a former history professor at Hampden-Sydney College who reviewed "Our Virginia: Past and Present." The other book mentioned in the report was "Our America: To 1865."

Heinemann added that the book "should be withdrawn from the classroom immediately, or at least by the end of the year."

Five Ponds Press, a small publisher in Connecticut, is responsible for the books in question. The Post reports that the publisher e-mailed to say the "historians' critiques," as the Post put it, will be included in the books' next printing.

The Post first reported the errors back in October. The author, Joy Masoff, defended her work, telling the Post, "As controversial as it is, I stand by what I write. I am a fairly respected writer." But when it came to one of the Civil War's most controversial themes -- the role of African Americans in the Confederacy -- she relied primarily on an Internet search, according to the report. And the results were based on the work of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a neo-confederate group based in Tennessee.

Masoff's other literary achievements include "Oh Yuck! The Encyclopedia of Everything Nasty" and "Oh Yikes! History's Grossest Moments."

Virginia's Department of Education requires textbooks to fulfill certain "Standards of Learning" goals, including making sure history standards provide "a basic knowledge of American culture through a chronological survey of major issues, movements, peoples, and events in the United States and Virginia history."

The state's Standards of Learning disqualifies many textbooks produced for a national market from being used, leaving Five Ponds Press in a unique position of providing several books for the state. Five Ponds' books are reportedly less expensive than its competitors, too.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/historians_find_myriad_errors_in_va_history_textbo.php?ref=tn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 30, 2010, 04:41:04 PM
Quote
The author, Joy Masoff, defended her work, telling the Post, "As controversial as it is, I stand by what I write. I am a fairly respected writer." But when it came to one of the Civil War's most controversial themes -- the role of African Americans in the Confederacy -- she relied primarily on an Internet search, according to the report. And the results were based on the work of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a neo-confederate group based in Tennessee.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 30, 2010, 05:02:26 PM
Quote
"As controversial as it is, I stand by what I write. I am a fairly respected writer."

Quote
Masoff's other literary achievements include "Oh Yuck! The Encyclopedia of Everything Nasty" and "Oh Yikes! History's Grossest Moments."

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 30, 2010, 05:12:20 PM
Supposedly the "author" of history textbooks is not the one that usually writes them.  They just get a bunch of interns to ghost-write it and then stamp the name of somebody with some credibility on the front.  I think the official "author" is required to at least quickly skim over the final product to make sure it's not too inaccurate, but for example our elementary school textbooks in California are just the same thing as 50 years ago and so one of the authors is dead and the other is in a nursing home.

The fact that she fell back on google searches that led her to a SoCV site makes me think that she may not have any real background as a historian though.  At least Virginia is trying to solve this problem unlike Texas which is adding to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 30, 2010, 06:38:35 PM
anyone been following the trial of former israli pres. who just got convicted of rape?  how the hell did that happen?  it's rare enough for someone to actually be convicted of rape, and it's even rarer for such a high govt offical to be convicted of anything, so the fact that this really happened just blows me away.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 31, 2010, 05:26:21 PM
(http://s3.credoaction.com.s3.amazonaws.com/comics/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/TMW2010-12-22colorlowres.jpg)
(http://s3.credoaction.com.s3.amazonaws.com/comics/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/TMW2010-12-29colorlowres.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 31, 2010, 11:05:42 PM
Don't you have comics that criticize only Republicans? :uguu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 01, 2011, 05:27:08 AM
I love the shit out of TMW.

In other news I'm actually kind of proud of my state's senator Lisa Murkowski, who is still a reliable conservative, but voted for repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell.  And the people of Alaska who choose an actual politician over a sentient talking points list.  I would have been more pleased if her democratic opponent won, but hey, small gains are better then none, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2011, 01:41:34 PM
Joe Miller's lack of class made me lol. Wonder if it's a preview of how Palin would handle a presidential loss
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2011, 04:09:22 PM
In the defense of Joe Miller, in spite of being a piece of shit, being one of the few senate candidates to be beaten out by a write-in you beat out in the primary in the history of the US would have to be very humiliating.  I don't know how I would react.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 02, 2011, 04:06:51 PM
So apparently Gaborn got an interview with Cenk Uygur:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/cenk-uygur-tries-get-goprouds-chris-barron
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 05, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
I thought her Daily Show segment was great - her recent list of accomplishments is pretty admirable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 05, 2011, 05:06:41 PM
Republicans got hot bitches on lock down. That's part of the strategy. Same with Fox and bimbo blondes.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
Quote
"Clearly, means testing. Clearly, retirement age, over time. What you’re saying to these younger people is –- who, by the way, I think, barring disasters, are going to live to possibly old ages, as we have always thought of it…They will live to be more than 100, because, again, barring accidents or something, or war, well over. They should. They’ll be replacing body parts like we do tires. If you ask a young person who’s paying any attention to this, “How old do you expect to be, and how long would you like to be a vital working person?” they’re not going to find this offensive. Thirty years from now, you might work at 68, 70, 72…."
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/05/daniels-robots/

:fbm

oh god
[youtube=560,345]x93UsezYvrE[/youtube]
:fbm :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2011, 01:52:13 AM
Yes, because the guy sweeping the floor at the local Wal-Mart is definitely going to be able to afford all those organ replacements!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2011, 02:55:58 AM
hopefully they'll be as cheap as tires. oh wait
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 06, 2011, 03:39:24 AM
I warned you about Mitch Daniels bro!  I told you dog! (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2011, 01:47:54 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/bidens-advice-to-girls-no-dates-until-youre-30-video.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2011, 05:58:41 PM
People who hate government are completely incapable of running it, who would have figured.  In related news, humans breathe oxygen and titties are awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2011, 06:06:18 PM
"Well, there's plenty of blame to go around, so let's just forget about that and go ahead and elect me in 2012."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2011, 11:28:23 PM
So right now I'm despairing about the prospects of anything meaningful being done on either global warming or Israel-Palestine before either of those situations pass the point where they become fundamentally irreparable.

Someone post a dumb Palin quote to distract me with amusement/rage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 07, 2011, 11:39:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 07, 2011, 11:28:23 PM
So right now I'm despairing about the prospects of anything meaningful being done on either global warming or Israel-Palestine before either of those situations pass the point where they become fundamentally irreparable.

Someone post a dumb Palin quote to distract me with amusement/rage.

I agree on both points.

However, as cynical as it is to say, Israel/Palestine is a regional issue that, if unresolved, will not seriously affect the wider prosperity of the world.  Its continued suffering is a human tragedy, but not a global one.

I agree on the climate change one, however.  Over the past two years, I have read a lot on the topic of both resource scarcity and climate change.  On the former, the books by Thomas Homer-Dixon, and Jeff Rubin's "Your world is about to get a lot smaller", and the latter, the crusade by my favourite International Affairs columnist, Gwynne Dyer, scare the everloving shit out of me.  Read and listen to the output of those three individuals, and you will become very depressed and scared about the political process and likelilihood of humanity and our prospects for coming out of the challenges of the early 21st century with  industrial civilization intact.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2011, 11:41:16 PM
blah blah blah I'm about to shovel a foot of snow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2011, 12:03:12 AM
*Googles the authors that Boogie mentioned*

Great, now I'm extra-depressed!  I hope you're happy, you jerk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 08, 2011, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 08, 2011, 12:03:12 AM
*Googles the authors that Boogie mentioned*

Great, now I'm extra-depressed!  I hope you're happy, you jerk.

I apologize for nothing! 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2011, 03:19:24 PM
He's right, though.  It is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 09, 2011, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: The Business on January 09, 2011, 02:45:08 PM
You really think the Arab/Israeli conflict is a regional issue?  Really?

Ah, I get to respond to this while pimping one of the authors I mentioned on the previous page:

http://www.gwynnedyer.com/articles/Gwynne%20Dyer%20article_%20%20The%20Importance%20of%20the%20Middle%20East.txt


Basically, the Arab/Israeli conflict has had  little in the way of truly global impact.  And even less so in the past 20 years since the end of the Cold War.  At least before that point, it was seen as one of the proxy war-areas between the US and the Soviets, but even then, there was only a couple moments where things had truly global implications.  I would say the Suez Crisis applies, as it was a major diplomatic fuckup for the West, forcing the US to go against its own allies at a time when it would have preferred to put pressure on the Soviets for the Hungary situation.

And apart from that, probably the 1973 Yom Kippur War, as there was a bit of great power clash in that one, until the US was able to make the Soviets blink.

Unless you're tying the Arab/Israeli conflict in with "The War on Terror", in which case, I think that's a stretch.  Al-Qaeda et al referring to Palestine strikes me simply as a propaganda talking point, and not a true motivator for terrorism.  And Islamic terrorism in general is overblown in importance anyway.  It's not an existential threat to the West.

http://www.gwynnedyer.com/articles/Gwynne%20Dyer%20article_%20%20The%20Great%20Islamic%20Threat.txt

The worst-case scenario for the Arab-Israeli conflict, in 2011, is......the Palestinian people continuing to suffer.  There isn't even the likelihood of a regional war, as there is no state willing or able to challenge Israel's military dominance, let alone something that has effects that spill over into other regions.

But go ahead, make your case for why The Arab/Israel conflict has global implications, other than the American media/political establishment seeming to think it does.  And other than "Domino Theory" for the 21st century.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2011, 02:21:50 AM
Boogie is like old-school Loki: a poster you can reliably troll into a multi-paragraph response with just a throwaway line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2011, 04:08:25 AM
Israel's the new South Africa.  It gets a lot of attention globally as a moral issue, but only neighbors like Egypt and Jordan really have to deal with the consequences in a direct way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on January 12, 2011, 06:29:07 PM
Gov. Quinn promises to quickly sign Ill. 66% tax hike

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_illinois_taxes (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_illinois_taxes)

Auction off Chicago, problem solved?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 12, 2011, 06:31:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2011, 02:21:50 AM
Boogie is like old-school Loki: a poster you can reliably troll into a multi-paragraph response with just a throwaway line.

One message board vice at a time.  This year's resolution is to cut down on my fisking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 14, 2011, 04:40:29 PM
Back of the bus negro.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/14/michael-steele-defeated-r_n_809282.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2011, 05:42:03 PM
lol so obvious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 14, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on January 12, 2011, 06:29:07 PM
Gov. Quinn promises to quickly sign Ill. 66% tax hike

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_illinois_taxes (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_bi_ge/us_illinois_taxes)

Auction off Chicago, problem solved?

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/13/walker-tax-escape/

nice try tho
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2011, 11:14:28 PM
66% derp derp

this can't be life  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2011, 11:54:00 PM
Conservative politicians and reporters misrepresenting the truth? Why, I never!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
I was waiting for someone to talk about this.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-tea-party-founding-fathers/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 16, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
Hey Marine! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12202197)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 17, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 15, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
I was waiting for someone to talk about this.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-tea-party-founding-fathers/

I know a lot here don't care for Maher, but one thing he is very good at showing how funny the brutal truth is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 17, 2011, 04:14:16 PM
[youtube=560,345]UhMepzqJvIw[/youtube]
spoiler (click to show/hide)
    She's a cold blast from Alaska
    Ingrained with common sense
    She's not a Harvard lawyer
    But she knew what the Founders meant
    A cold blast from the north
    That freezes Congress in their tracks
    With God and the Tea Party
    She's gonna take it back

    [Chorus]
    Sarah Palin, she won't listen to their bunk
    Sarah Palin's comin' south to hunt some skunk
    Sarah Palin, she'll throw them all in jail
    And when she gets to Washington
    It'll be cold as hell

    Sarah has the wisdom
    To walk through an open door
    She is stomping out the wretches
    Where the evil lines are stored
    She will scrub the floors and sweep the riff raff into cracks
    With God and the Tea Party
    She's gonna take it back

    [Chorus]

    [Spoken]
    Congress patted themselves on the back
    For some new bill they just passed
    I watch as my freedom slowly runs through an hourglass
    They think they spend our money better than we do
    But they can talk until they're blue and old
    'Cause if they ever gave us anything
    They always wanted something in return
    Sarah knows.

    Sarah's marching home
[close]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
came to post that. holy fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 17, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
it's like the white Stagger Lee

Cracker Lee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 11:03:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/teoDp.png)
 :bow2

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRNCpD3xhsY[/youtube]


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 17, 2011, 11:19:44 PM
That Sarah Palin Battle Hymn is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 18, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2011, 11:03:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/teoDp.png)
 :bow2

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2011, 03:44:02 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 18, 2011, 08:01:03 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/joe-lieberman-may-resign_n_810538.html

 :bow2


Maybe we can get actual dem in there instead of the current jack ass.

Despite his voting record which was mostly decent I can't stand Lieberman. And there are few politicians I have such earnest disgust for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2011, 08:44:43 PM
And a dem with a wife that doesn't work for one of the nations largest health care insurers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 19, 2011, 09:12:33 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdE9CsxCTXI[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2011, 02:29:07 AM
Texas is cutting 5 billion from public education  :-\

fuck my home state
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2011, 02:33:28 AM
On the plus side, maybe this'll reduce Texas' buying power for text books and keep them from polluting the rest of the country's educational system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Texas is basically putting every conservative policy to work to catastrophic results.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2011, 02:56:47 AM
From the latest Brooks op-ed:

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Practicing a piece of music for four hours requires focused attention, but it is nowhere near as cognitively demanding as a sleepover with 14-year-old girls.

Oh?  Do tell, David.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on January 20, 2011, 02:58:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Texas is basically putting every conservative policy to work to catastrophic results.

front row seats to the Americapocalypse
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2011, 05:53:55 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/19/onion-news-network-palin-_n_811075.html

"Why stop at a border with Canada. Let's build a wall on the east and west side too"

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 20, 2011, 09:44:07 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 20, 2011, 02:29:07 AM
Texas is cutting 5 billion from public education  :-\

fuck my home state

I hear the California school system is working out swell! They are probably rolling in $100 bills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 20, 2011, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Texas is basically putting every conservative policy to work to catastrophic results.

This quotes is hilarious when you think about what state you are posting this from.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 20, 2011, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Texas is basically putting every conservative policy to work to catastrophic results.

This quotes is hilarious when you think about what state you are posting this from.

Yea, that state where democrat and republican presidents alongside the car industry helped destroy the manufacturing sector
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 20, 2011, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 20, 2011, 10:26:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 02:42:17 AM
Texas is basically putting every conservative policy to work to catastrophic results.

This quotes is hilarious when you think about what state you are posting this from.

Yea, that state where democrat and republican presidents alongside the car industry helped destroy the manufacturing sector
::)
Okay Michael Moore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 12:30:11 PM
Michael Moore :piss2

Lets see how the nerd Rick Snyder does in my state. I know my parents are glad to hear he plans on shitcanning the Michigan Business Tax, but I dunno
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 20, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
reince priebus has one of those faces that make mothers check sex offender databases when they see him in their neighborhood.

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 20, 2011, 02:34:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2011, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 20, 2011, 01:53:58 PM
reince priebus has one of those faces that make mothers check sex offender databases when they see him in their neighborhood.

:teehee

Better if all vowels are removed without bias, leaving

ReiNCe PRieBuS -> RNC PR BS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2011, 04:59:29 PM
It's funny the reaction Tennessee Rep. Steve Cohen is getting the the lie by Republicans that the Affordable Care Act is a "government takeover" of health care is similar to the techniques used Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

My only take from it is that only righties and fox pundits are allowed to say that stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
Nazi comparisons should be off limits period; the dude was out of order. Although it certainly is funny hearing Fox News beat the outrage drum over it when they ignored all the Nazi comparisons coming from the right last year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 21, 2011, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
Nazi comparisons should be off limits period; the dude was out of order. Although it certainly is funny hearing Fox News beat the outrage drum over it when they ignored all the Nazi comparisons coming from the right last year.

Can you link me to the C-span footage of republicans calling democrats Nazis on the house floor.  I must have missed that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 21, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
Quote from: Beardo on January 21, 2011, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
Nazi comparisons should be off limits period; the dude was out of order. Although it certainly is funny hearing Fox News beat the outrage drum over it when they ignored all the Nazi comparisons coming from the right last year.

Can you link me to the C-span footage of republicans calling democrats Nazis on the house floor.  I must have missed that.

Can you link me to footage of democrats calling repubs nazis on the house floor? I missed that too!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 21, 2011, 10:00:55 AM
So funny to see Beardo suddenly getting the vapors over this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2011, 01:56:48 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 21, 2011, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2011, 12:52:41 AM
Nazi comparisons should be off limits period; the dude was out of order. Although it certainly is funny hearing Fox News beat the outrage drum over it when they ignored all the Nazi comparisons coming from the right last year.

Can you link me to the C-span footage of republicans calling democrats Nazis on the house floor.  I must have missed that.

I can't, but I can link to Nazi comparisons coming from the right
http://mediamatters.org/research/201101200037
derp derp

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 21, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
as if Rick Santorum didn't have enough negatives already...

that's a bad, bad choice of words there pal. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110120/pl_yblog_theticket/santorum-invokes-obamas-race-in-abortion-debate)

Well, that's one less contender in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 21, 2011, 03:39:24 PM
This is the problem with modern politics.

Why is a frothy mixture of lubrication and fecal matter even being asked to comment on current affairs??
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2011, 08:33:56 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 21, 2011, 03:04:01 PM
as if Rick Santorum didn't have enough negatives already...

that's a bad, bad choice of words there pal. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110120/pl_yblog_theticket/santorum-invokes-obamas-race-in-abortion-debate)

Well, that's one less contender in 2012.

That comment seems to have fired up the people it was aimed at. I don't think it'll be much of a problem for him; his theofascist views will be a problem for him.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 21, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
It's not really a new meme; pro-lifers have been comparing Roe v Wade to Dred Scott for years now.  I'm sure there are a lot of people who read what Santorum said and think he made a great point.

That said, dude isn't getting anywhere near the Oval Office, unless he wins the Super Bowl or sells the most girl scout cookies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2011, 04:06:07 AM
Hmm with him, Gingrich (it's official!), possibly Palin, Pawlenty, and possibly Bachman there's gonna be lots of pure crazy in the GOP primary. I might as well set up romneyface.com right now, I'm sure he'll be displaying some epic "where the fuck am I" frowns
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 22, 2011, 05:59:35 AM
TPM was speculating whether or not Romney might be setting himself up as the establishment anti-tea party candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2011, 12:54:22 PM
So Comcast buys NBC Universal and immediately fires Keith Olbermann? Hmmmm....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/4P2ab.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 22, 2011, 01:17:24 PM
Good article on the thinking of our current Titans, and our whiney entitled bankers.

http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/kristol-kalecki-and-a-19th-century-economist-defending-patriarchy-all-on-political-macroeconomics/ (http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/kristol-kalecki-and-a-19th-century-economist-defending-patriarchy-all-on-political-macroeconomics/)

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Amateur political ideology speculating and ranting time.  Paul Krugman has been wondering about monetary morality lately, and more generally what is causing conservatives, Republicans and indifferent elites to believe Dark Age things about the economy. Some are Austrian economists who have their models and thoughts. But I think we see three general trends in thought that are going to be captured by three different comments:  supply-side myopia, business leader pleading for more control, and the ‘Natural’ part of money.

Good part about Gold Bugs:

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A 19th Century Economist Defending Patriarchy

In 1889, Harvard economist Francis A. Walker wrote a book titled Money in Its Relation to Trade and Industry. Among many other things, he argued:

Quote
The social effects of a paper-money inflation are so fresh in the mind, through our recollections of our own Greenback Era, that I need not recall the wanton bravery of apparel and equipage; the creation of a countless host of artificial necessities in the family beyond the power of the husband and father to supply without a resort to questionable devices or reckless speculations, or to drafts on the proper business capital or the once sacred family reserve; the humiliating imitation of foreign habits of living, with but the faintest conception of the modes of thought and feeling and the customs of social intercourse which underlie them abroad; the loss of that fit and natural leadership of taste and fashion which is the best protection society can have against sordid material aims, and manners at once gross and effeminate, against democracy without equality or fraternity, and exclusiveness without nobility or pride of character.

Paper money decreases the power of the husband over his wife and the father over his family, loosens the natural leadership that serves as the best protection against “effeminate” manners, and gives us a democracy without nobility.

Which is to say, if you are a person who tends to use a capital N “Natural” to describe your political ideology (“I believe in a Natural Order with a Natural Hierarchy, which I get from my engagement with Natural Rights as observed through Natural Law….”), as many conservatives do, then you are going to be likely to think that the dollar is a Natural Thing too.  Like women wearing pants and voting, any attempt to disrupt the natural order is going to be dangerous.  That the value of a dollar is a social creation, and that if there is excessive demand for money the government should provide extra supply for money, isn’t going to be a convincing argument.

Michael O’Malley has written (h/t matthewstoller) some execellent stuff about this fight from a century ago (“Gold-standard arguments reflected a more generalized concern about and fascination with the insubstantiality of character, race, and value in labor…”).

So if you are a type who believes the government can only do bad, who believes that prosperity flows from how appreciated the business community feels, and who believes strongly in the Natural Order, then you are not going to be in favor of activist monetary and fiscal policy to fix the economy.  You also won’t have any actual coherent view of what is wrong with the economy.

Also, new Avatar get!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 22, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
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Which is to say, if you are a person who tends to use a capital N “Natural” to describe your political ideology (“I believe in a Natural Order with a Natural Hierarchy, which I get from my engagement with Natural Rights as observed through Natural Law….”), as many conservatives do, then you are going to be likely to think that the dollar is a Natural Thing too.  Like women wearing pants and voting, any attempt to disrupt the natural order is going to be dangerous.  That the value of a dollar is a social creation, and that if there is excessive demand for money the government should provide extra supply for money, isn’t going to be a convincing argument.


FoC and JD dinner for oned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 21, 2011, 11:05:38 PM
It's not really a new meme; pro-lifers have been comparing Roe v Wade to Dred Scott for years now.  I'm sure there are a lot of people who read what Santorum said and think he made a great point.

That said, dude isn't getting anywhere near the Oval Office, unless he wins the Super Bowl or sells the most girl scout cookies.

[youtube=560,345]iNk54IYr1Ss[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on January 22, 2011, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on January 22, 2011, 01:17:24 PM
Also, new Avatar get!

I saw your new avatar in a different thread and thought it was from Bioshock Infinities  :lol

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 22, 2011, 09:36:33 PM
I knew republicans loathe science, but I thought even they could comprehend basic arithmetic (okay, fine I didn't but still):

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/81924/charles-krauthammer-laughs-arithmetic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 23, 2011, 10:45:39 AM
Just came across this today  :lol

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2IZT4VgDY[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsGb4yyPvLc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2011, 06:37:36 PM
[youtube=560,345]YfkNEq1XioE[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 25, 2011, 02:43:20 AM
Tim Pawlenty, for people who just find Mitt Rommney too charismatic to elect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 25, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
Here is an entertaining read that has already been panned as a leftist hit piece:

The 50 most Loathsome people of 2010 (http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=4182)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2011, 09:16:19 PM
So, who's expecting awesome things to come out of the SOTU speech?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 25, 2011, 10:36:47 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 25, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
Here is an entertaining read that has already been panned as a leftist hit piece:

The 50 most Loathsome people of 2010 (http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=4182)

The good ol' Buffalo Beast, great for reading while taking a shit in your college dorm bathroom when they're all out of copies of ARTVOICE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 26, 2011, 04:23:53 AM
Ma man Chris Matthews eviscerates tea bagger on Michelle Bachmann's lack of knowing anything about history:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41261376 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41261376)

He went in a lot harder than he normally does.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
Matthews hit it on the head on this being a scriptural revision of the country's founding. In order to deify the Founding Fathers you have to whitewash slavery, and Beck/tea party has been doing that for the last two years. The early America was one of the most oppressive, liberty-less times in our history. If you weren't white, "American", and a land owner you couldn't vote. If you were an immigrant or Catholic you were subject to discrimination even if you were white.

America as an "idea" is something to marvel at I guess, but there's no denying the founding fathers did not live up to that idea, and it took a civil war for us to even begin the process; and even 100 years after that war people were not treated equally. No wonder republicans continually erase the civil rights era out of history books and replace it with a blurb about MLK being so awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 26, 2011, 01:27:02 PM
There was a constitutional scholar on our local NPR afternoon call-in show a few weeks ago who was talking about how the average American's knowledge of the constitution is from elementary school where it's all sunshine and puppies and anything remotely ugly is glossed over.

edit: That clip from Hardball was epic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2011, 03:39:53 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/ted_haggard_im_probably_what_the_kids_call_bisexual.php
 :lol
Title: Instead of a real post, I wound up handing out reading assignments
Post by: Mandark on January 26, 2011, 03:50:49 PM
Here's a very good blog post (http://www.robmacdougall.org/blog/2008/11/american-for-a-day/) written by a Canadian on how progressive activists in America going back to Frederick Douglass have framed their causes as fulfilling the original promise of the country's founding.

Definitely worth reading that, then listening to Joe Lieberman's speech (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599294761) on the Senate floor before the repeal of DADT.

Also, sort of a companion piece (http://leiterreports.typepad.com/files/raritan-essay.pdf) that Prole hipped me to, about the tendency of conservatives to adopt the tactics and rhetoric of reformers and revolutionaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 26, 2011, 04:19:40 PM
That blog post is really awesome.
Title: Re: Instead of a real post, I wound up handing out reading assignments
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 27, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 26, 2011, 03:50:49 PM
Definitely worth reading that, then listening to Joe Lieberman's speech (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599294761) on the Senate floor before the repeal of DADT.

Don't you friggin go making me like Joe Lieberman.

Good speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2011, 07:29:13 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/wtf-sarah-palin-thinks-the-ussr-won-the-space-race-video.php?ref=fpb
jesus

Probably one of the better interviews I've seen from her, only because she manages to bang out her talking points efficiently. But her rebuttal to Obama's Sputnik point - one of the eye rollers of his speech imo to be fair - misses the point so badly it's laughable.

I wasn't a fan of the speech, but I'll defend it on this point: it's interesting how the right continually attacks Obama for not glorifying America enough. His AZ speech was quite heavy on the American family concept, and the SOTU was basically "America, fuck yea!" yet I don't hear any conservatives talking about that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 27, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
The right believes that he is bullshitting about that.  That is why.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 27, 2011, 09:06:50 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on January 27, 2011, 07:39:45 PM
The right believes that he is a sekrit Muslin Kenyan Soshilust.  That is why.

fixt lol

Also if you guys think the Bachmann segment on Hardball was hilarious Jiminy Fucking Christmas do yourself a favor and watch her Tea Party approved "response" to the SOTU.  Holy shitballs is all I'll say.  While Obama's speech was pretty crappy, he came out looking like a certified genius and dare I say... President when compared to Bachmann's trainwreck of a rebuttal or even Paul Ryan's whinefest about deficits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2011, 09:59:50 PM
Obama is cool and everything, but a lot of his appeal boils down to him being the only grown up in the room. There's gotta be serious "smart" conservatives out there crying at their lack of options, and waking up in the middle of the night realizing they'll have to vote for Obama in 2012 rather than these clowns. They'd primary Ronald Reagan if he ran for governor/senate/etc today

jesus someone make a political version of Fight Night. But instead of Ali v Tyson you can watch Palin mock Goldwater for supporting gayz in the military.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 28, 2011, 06:25:46 AM
I think the SOTU address was pretty decent for what it was.  A lot of it was waking up to the political reality and a lot of it was campaigning for 2012.  Whether people like it or not, the reality is that Obama for the next two years is going to have to start campaigning.  I don't think anything he did was particularly unrealistic.  The notion of bipartisanship is hilarious because the right will always hate him.  That will never change, even if he changes his whole agenda to what the Republicans want.  The fact that he exists pisses them off and that won't ever change.  The exceptions would be events like Gabrielle Giffords but everyone usually comes together for those events.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on January 28, 2011, 02:09:37 PM
I just realized you're CajoleJuice I always thought you were malek or some shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2011, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 28, 2011, 02:00:39 PM
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html)

:rofl

FOC suiciding
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 28, 2011, 06:26:43 PM
So Mubarak shut down the internet and cell towers in Egypt, and now he's getting rid of the entire cabinet except for himself...

How long until someone tries to kill him?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 28, 2011, 06:35:19 PM
I was in Cairo back in 1998, it's totally surreal seeing the places I've been on fire.

Also, what country is next? First Tunisia and now Egypt...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 28, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 28, 2011, 07:00:51 PM
What's bizarre is that a lot of people think seem to think this is going to lead to democratic reforms :wtf

CNN and MSNBC aren't so sure of that, they keep bringing up the Iranian Islamic Revolution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 28, 2011, 08:13:27 PM
I know that teabaggers aren't the most rational or coherent people around, but I still have to wonder what these people are thinking when they propose things like this:

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Tea party favorite Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., has unveiled a plan for cutting $400 billion in federal spending that includes freezing Veterans Affairs Department health care spending and cutting veterans' disability benefits.

Her proposed VA budget cuts would account for $4.5 billion of the savings included in the plan, posted on her official House of Representatives website.

Paul Sullivan, executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, said cutting veterans' health care spending is an ill-advised move at a time when the number of veterans continues to grow as troops return from Iraq and Afghanistan. Sullivan said he finds it difficult to see how VA could freeze health care costs without hurting veterans.

"It is really astonishing to see this," he said.

Not only is this not a popular position to take, but it's particularly baffling who this is supposed to appeal to. I mean, yes I know that Republicans wouldn't mind cutting money from soldiers checks, get rid of the VA and things like that. BUT, this isn't the type of shit you say out loud. I would think even most teabaggers would start to question why you'd be trying to punish the troops instead of going after Mexicans and negroes.



Oh, also too:

(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/gdp4Q2010r.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 28, 2011, 08:17:42 PM
well, why should the gubmint even employ soldiers when we have private competition from xi/blackwater et al :smug

why, those soldiers are just socialist leeches :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 28, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
most folks believe 90% of the deficit is lazy black people on the dole driving cadillacs and having kids, because 90% of america is fucking assholes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
Republicans don't give a shit anymore. Dismantle Medicare/set up voucher system? Sure. Cut education by 80%? Yes we can. Cut vet benefits? Yup

It's a testament to democrat stupidity that they can never capitalize on Teh Crazy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 28, 2011, 09:36:54 PM
it is a testament to american stupidity that crazy cannot be capitalized upon, but is instead fully validated the moment it arrives on the scene
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 28, 2011, 10:00:15 PM
It's even stranger that they've discovered this newfound sense of boldness since just a few days ago Boehner (I think it was him or Cantor) said they wanted Obama to outline spending cuts, and that they didn't want to go first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2011, 10:47:13 PM
Seems fitting in the recent context:

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_0Z_5NSIRbcQ/TUNgjvi_zxI/AAAAAAAAAjo/3lBAUggISbU/Lefties%20and%20Righties.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2011, 11:38:09 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 28, 2011, 02:00:39 PM
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html (http://www.boingboing.net/2011/01/28/ayn-rand-took-govern.html)

:rofl

WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR GOD NOW, RANDROIDS?  WHERE???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 29, 2011, 06:46:28 PM
Reason #183838939848 why the 'bubububu both sides are equally bad in *insert topic*' is a load:

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"Real Time" host Bill Maher asked Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) a fairly straightforward question: "Do you believe in evolution?" Kingston not only said rejects the foundation of modern biology, he explained it this way: "I believe I came from God, not from a monkey." He added, "If it happened over millions and millions of years, there should be lots of fossil evidence."

Seriously, that's what he said.

Let's pause to appreciate the fact that it's the 21st century -- and Jack Kingston is a 10-term congressman who helps oversee federal funding on the Food and Drug Administration.

As part of the same discussion, former Canadian Prime Minister Kim Campbell tried to ask Kingston about the overuse of antibiotics. The far-right congressman had no idea how the question related to evolution.

At one point, Kingston, sarcastically, turned to National Review's Will Cain, part of the same roundtable, and said, "Will, help me out anytime you want, buddy."

The assumption, of course, is that Cain, a conservative, must agree with the confused congressman about modern science. Cain responded, "I'm sorry, I believe in evolution."

Will, you're not the one who should be sorry.

In the larger context, there's a renewed push underway for the United States to value and appreciate science in the 21st century -- our future depends on it. And while this push is underway, Republican leaders are more comfortable walking a bridge to the 18th century.

What an embarrassment.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_01/027759.php


There's a video clip in that link too.


There is no middleground between something like evolution existing and not existing. Same thing applies to climate change. It's a travesty that idiots like these are allowed to sit at the big kids table with real scientists to formulate policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2011, 07:48:07 PM
The fact remains there's very little evidence of the multitude of missing link/inter-species being that would be required to make evolution true. Dare I say evolution is just as faith based as religion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on January 30, 2011, 12:26:19 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/01/21/femen.topless.protest/index.html?iref=obinsite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 01:49:01 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgmt9s_we-need-a-christian-dictator_news#from=embed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional (http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional)
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The full text of the decision from Federal Judge Roger Vinson is not available yet, but according to reporters who've seen the decision, he's ruled the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. The ruling favors of the 26 state attorney generals challenging the law. The judge ruled the individual mandate that requires all Americans to purchase health insurance invalid and, according to the decision, "because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void."



Man, if only someone who was an expert in constitutional law would chime in. You know, someone who got a good law education at top notch school like Harvard or something. Better yet, someone who taught constitutional law! Surely, someone like that would know...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
So when the SC upholds the mandate to appease their corporate overlords, will Beardo admit he was wrong? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2011, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional (http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional)
Quote
The full text of the decision from Federal Judge Roger Vinson is not available yet, but according to reporters who've seen the decision, he's ruled the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. The ruling favors of the 26 state attorney generals challenging the law. The judge ruled the individual mandate that requires all Americans to purchase health insurance invalid and, according to the decision, "because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void."



Man, if only someone who was an expert in constitutional law would chime in. You know, someone who got a good law education at top notch school like Harvard or something. Better yet, someone who taught constitutional law! Surely, someone like that would know...
You mean like the Supreme Court Justices, who will most likely end up ruling on this :wtf

who knew that the constitution could be interpreted differently by different experts

it's like the bibleconstitution was a document authored by men and is subject to multiple credible interpretations
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 31, 2011, 04:29:48 PM
shit's just toilet paper now anyway.  let's write a new one
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2011, 04:30:45 PM
article 1: abortions for everyone
article 2: cadillacs for poors
article 3: white people get mocked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2011, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional (http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional)
Quote
The full text of the decision from Federal Judge Roger Vinson is not available yet, but according to reporters who've seen the decision, he's ruled the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. The ruling favors of the 26 state attorney generals challenging the law. The judge ruled the individual mandate that requires all Americans to purchase health insurance invalid and, according to the decision, "because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void."



Man, if only someone who was an expert in constitutional law would chime in. You know, someone who got a good law education at top notch school like Harvard or something. Better yet, someone who taught constitutional law! Surely, someone like that would know...
You mean like the Supreme Court Justices, who will most likely end up ruling on this :wtf

who knew that the constitution could be interpreted differently by different experts

it's like the bibleconstitution was a document authored by men and is subject to multiple credible interpretations

Seems pretty clear in limiting the power of the federal government to me. But I guess liberals just make up shit as they go along anyway.

We'll all be having fun in 10 years being forced to buy healthcare from one of the 2 health insurance providers. Can't wait to see how liberals blame conservatives for this one. Should be an lolz-worthy explanation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 04:37:46 PM
Maybe that broken system will convince politicians to back a public option, or dare I say single payer system. creepin' socialism :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 04:38:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 04:14:35 PM
So when the SC upholds the mandate to appease their corporate overlords, will Beardo admit he was wrong? :teehee

What's this supreme court you speak of?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2011, 04:42:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
Seems pretty clear in limiting the power of the federal government to me. But I guess liberals just make up shit as they go along anyway.

We'll all be having fun in 10 years being forced to buy healthcare from one of the 2 health insurance providers. Can't wait to see how liberals blame conservatives for this one. Should be an lolz-worthy explanation.

Didn't Republicans want to force me to pay banks for a personal retirement account in lieu of the current Social Security setup?  Doesn't Paul Ryan's Roadmap for America (http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Roadmap2Final2.pdf) replace Medicare with an Obamacare-style system with vouchers to buy private insurance?

I really think this kind of feigned outrage is why so many people just don't bother with politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 31, 2011, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
Can't wait to see how liberals blame conservatives for this one. Should be an lolz-worthy explanation.

Well, they sat with their thumbs(or a pool boy's) up their asses during the debate. Added nothing but got some concessions and figured their obstructionism would prevent it from happening. As usual for most conservatives, they got it wrong, again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2011, 04:53:10 PM
Hey, have we talked about the Wake County school de-integration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html) yet?

Basically, Tea Partiers won a bunch of seats in a NC school board and are rolling back a decades-old integration policy.  Most frustrating bit for me was this:

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School Board Chairman Ron Margiotta referred questions on the matter to the district's attorney, who declined to comment. Tedesco, who has emerged as the most vocal among the new majority on the nine-member board, said he and his colleagues are only seeking a simpler system in which children attend the schools closest to them. If the result is a handful of high-poverty schools, he said, perhaps that will better serve the most challenged students.

"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Let's get all the middle-class kids out of here, and pretend we're doing it as a favor to the poor kids!  Woo hoo!

And a post (http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2011/01/on-mlk-day-some-thoughts-on-segregated-schools-arne-duncan-and-president-obama.html) about it from Dana Goldstein.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2011, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 04:32:51 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2011, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 04:11:23 PM
Quote from: Beardo on January 31, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional (http://www.sfexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/breaking-federal-judge-rules-obamacare-unconstitutional)
Quote
The full text of the decision from Federal Judge Roger Vinson is not available yet, but according to reporters who've seen the decision, he's ruled the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. The ruling favors of the 26 state attorney generals challenging the law. The judge ruled the individual mandate that requires all Americans to purchase health insurance invalid and, according to the decision, "because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void."



Man, if only someone who was an expert in constitutional law would chime in. You know, someone who got a good law education at top notch school like Harvard or something. Better yet, someone who taught constitutional law! Surely, someone like that would know...
You mean like the Supreme Court Justices, who will most likely end up ruling on this :wtf

who knew that the constitution could be interpreted differently by different experts

it's like the bibleconstitution was a document authored by men and is subject to multiple credible interpretations

Seems pretty clear in limiting the power of the federal government to me. But I guess liberals just make up shit as they go along anyway.

Beardo, I think you and your ilk keep confusing the constitution with the articles of confederation.

Quote
We'll all be having fun in 10 years being forced to buy healthcare from one of the 2 health insurance providers. Can't wait to see how liberals blame conservatives for this one. Should be an lolz-worthy explanation.


Is that a somewhat subtle advocation for a public option? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 05:08:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2011, 04:53:10 PM
Hey, have we talked about the Wake County school de-integration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html) yet?

Basically, Tea Partiers won a bunch of seats in a NC school board and are rolling back a decades-old integration policy.  Most frustrating bit for me was this:

Quote
School Board Chairman Ron Margiotta referred questions on the matter to the district's attorney, who declined to comment. Tedesco, who has emerged as the most vocal among the new majority on the nine-member board, said he and his colleagues are only seeking a simpler system in which children attend the schools closest to them. If the result is a handful of high-poverty schools, he said, perhaps that will better serve the most challenged students.

"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Let's get all the middle-class kids out of here, and pretend we're doing it as a favor to the poor kids!  Woo hoo!

And a post (http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2011/01/on-mlk-day-some-thoughts-on-segregated-schools-arne-duncan-and-president-obama.html) about it from Dana Goldstein.

Damn, how have I not heard about this until now   :-\

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2011, 05:26:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2011, 04:53:10 PM
Hey, have we talked about the Wake County school de-integration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html) yet?

Basically, Tea Partiers won a bunch of seats in a NC school board and are rolling back a decades-old integration policy.  Most frustrating bit for me was this:

Quote
School Board Chairman Ron Margiotta referred questions on the matter to the district's attorney, who declined to comment. Tedesco, who has emerged as the most vocal among the new majority on the nine-member board, said he and his colleagues are only seeking a simpler system in which children attend the schools closest to them. If the result is a handful of high-poverty schools, he said, perhaps that will better serve the most challenged students.

"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Let's get all the middle-class kids out of here, and pretend we're doing it as a favor to the poor kids!  Woo hoo!

And a post (http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2011/01/on-mlk-day-some-thoughts-on-segregated-schools-arne-duncan-and-president-obama.html) about it from Dana Goldstein.

It sounds logical at first, shining a light on the problem to help get it solved. But...uh...once the middle class kids are moved away people are going to care even LESS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 05:28:42 PM
I wish FoC was here to ponder whether integration is preferred so the white kids can inflate the class test scores, thus meaning more federal money
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 31, 2011, 07:41:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2011, 04:53:10 PM
Hey, have we talked about the Wake County school de-integration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html) yet?

Basically, Tea Partiers won a bunch of seats in a NC school board and are rolling back a decades-old integration policy.  Most frustrating bit for me was this:

Quote
School Board Chairman Ron Margiotta referred questions on the matter to the district's attorney, who declined to comment. Tedesco, who has emerged as the most vocal among the new majority on the nine-member board, said he and his colleagues are only seeking a simpler system in which children attend the schools closest to them. If the result is a handful of high-poverty schools, he said, perhaps that will better serve the most challenged students.

"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Let's get all the middle-class kids out of here, and pretend we're doing it as a favor to the poor kids!  Woo hoo!

And a post (http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2011/01/on-mlk-day-some-thoughts-on-segregated-schools-arne-duncan-and-president-obama.html) about it from Dana Goldstein.

I read the whole article. I believe that kids should go to their neighborhood schools. Seattle finally did this at the beginning of the current school year. The rest of the state of Washington has been doing this forever.

Maybe there is some racism going on with this down in SC, but when I have kids, I want them to go their neighborhood school and not get bussed across the city.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2011, 08:52:15 PM
gundam: will not serve hufflepuffs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 31, 2011, 09:06:54 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
But what if you were poor and your boundary line was suspiciously drawn to include only poor neighborhoods?

Then you take the fight to the school board or apply for a waiver.

I feel like when you have the opportunity to not attend your neighborhood school, then that school will never improve. Community involvement, getting parents involved in their child's education, etc.

I work at a highly impoverished middle school, but I just don't see the answer being "let the kids go somewhere else."

I'm not defending the actions of these douchebags down in South Carolina, there appears to be racist undertones in their actions. I just think that you work to improve your community. Running away from it doesn't help.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
But what if you were poor and your boundary line was suspiciously drawn to include only poor neighborhoods?

Then maybe you shouldn't have been born poor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2011, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 31, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
But what if you were poor and your boundary line was suspiciously drawn to include only poor neighborhoods?

Then maybe you shouldn't have been born poor? :smug

Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 31, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 31, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 31, 2011, 08:13:57 PM
But what if you were poor and your boundary line was suspiciously drawn to include only poor neighborhoods?

Then maybe you shouldn't have been born poorblack?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 31, 2011, 10:52:24 PM
yeah when you sit back and say let them improve their community youre ignoring the problem instead of engaging it.  "improving the community" involves a hell of a lot and forcing kids to go to shit underfunded schools does not help.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 01, 2011, 07:26:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2011, 04:53:10 PM
Hey, have we talked about the Wake County school de-integration (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011107063.html) yet?

Basically, Tea Partiers won a bunch of seats in a NC school board and are rolling back a decades-old integration policy.  Most frustrating bit for me was this:

Quote
School Board Chairman Ron Margiotta referred questions on the matter to the district's attorney, who declined to comment. Tedesco, who has emerged as the most vocal among the new majority on the nine-member board, said he and his colleagues are only seeking a simpler system in which children attend the schools closest to them. If the result is a handful of high-poverty schools, he said, perhaps that will better serve the most challenged students.

"If we had a school that was, like, 80 percent high-poverty, the public would see the challenges, the need to make it successful," he said. "Right now, we have diluted the problem, so we can ignore it."

Let's get all the middle-class kids out of here, and pretend we're doing it as a favor to the poor kids!  Woo hoo!

And a post (http://www.danagoldstein.net/dana_goldstein/2011/01/on-mlk-day-some-thoughts-on-segregated-schools-arne-duncan-and-president-obama.html) about it from Dana Goldstein.

Jesus.

Although I thought busing was phased out in many areas a while ago, effectively leaving many impoverished schools to their own devices.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2011, 12:40:19 PM
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A high school has defended its decision to segregate students by race and gender.

The scheme, at McCaskey East High School in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, separates black students from the rest of the school pupils, and then further breaks it down into black females and black males.

The separation is only for a short period - six minutes each day and 20 minutes twice a month - but it has drawn criticism for raising the spectre of racial segregation.

Today the school's principal defended the policy.

Bill Jimenez said the school noticed that black students were not performing as well as other students, and that research had shown that same-race classes with strong same-race role models led to better academic results.

Mr Jimenez admitted that no other students were divided by race at the school, but he added that academic data dictated the school take a different approach with its black students.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350864/School-defends-separation-black-students-boost-academic-results.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2011, 01:02:53 PM
Quote
The separation is only for a short period - six minutes each day and 20 minutes twice a month

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2011, 01:11:21 PM
I think those are separate occasions that they're separated.  still a really stupid way to word it.  and a really stupid policy in general.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2011, 01:16:33 PM
That doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 01, 2011, 02:35:14 PM
They get separated for six minutes daily.

Twice a month (every two weeks) they get separated for 20 minutes.

What isn't to get?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 01, 2011, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/huck-to-israelis-id-be-mad-too-if-somebody-tried-to-kick-me-out-of-america.php?ref=fpb
Huckabee: Palestinians Should Be Resettled In 'Muslim' Territory

Far from Iowa, likely Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told a crowd of Jewish Israelis yesterday that he'd be just as mad as they are if anybody tried to kick him out of America the way Israelis are being asked to not build or live in disputed lands.

"I cannot imagine as an American being told that I could not live in certain places in America because I was Christian, or because I was white, or because I spoke English," Huckabee said. "I would be outraged if someone told me that in my country, I would be prohibited and forbidden to live in a part of that country, for any reason."

Huckabee was attending a cornerstone-laying ceremony for a new neighborhood on the Mount of Olives in east Jerusalem -- a disputed territory in the Middle East that Huckabee says should belong to Israel. East Jerusalem and the adjacent West Bank aren't recognized as Israeli land by most of the international community; Israel annexed East Jerusalem shortly after the Six Day War, while the remainder of the West Bank -- where there are numerous Israeli settlements -- remains under military administration..

Palestinians who live in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, Huckabee said, should settle in "territory that [is] in the hands of Muslims, in the hands of Arabs," as determined by the "international community."

Huckabee appeared at the event with actor Jon Voight, the Tea Party's favorite celebrity better known to most Israelis as Angelina Jolie's father.

"And now you are here, this is your time, and you are doing what you should be doing, which is to prepare the next generations and to be the hope of the world that you are," Voight said. "I love you all."

:Huck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2011, 07:16:26 PM
Has this been posted yet? Mega-Randroid, Paul Ryan, who's been railing against social security every chance he gets, apparently lived off of social security for a while:

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With his father’s passing, young Paul collected Social Security benefits until age 18, which he put away for college. To make ends meet, Paul’s mother returned to school to study interior design. His siblings were off at college. Ryan remembers this difficult time bringing him and his mother closer.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/01/27/quickie-paul-ryan-collected-social-security-benefits-as-a-teen/

Try and contain your shock, people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2011, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 01, 2011, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/huck-to-israelis-id-be-mad-too-if-somebody-tried-to-kick-me-out-of-america.php?ref=fpb
Huckabee: Palestinians Should Be Resettled In 'Muslim' Territory

Far from Iowa, likely Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told a crowd of Jewish Israelis yesterday that he'd be just as mad as they are if anybody tried to kick him out of America the way Israelis are being asked to not build or live in disputed lands.

"I cannot imagine as an American being told that I could not live in certain places in America because I was Christian, or because I was white, or because I spoke English," Huckabee said. "I would be outraged if someone told me that in my country, I would be prohibited and forbidden to live in a part of that country, for any reason."

Huckabee was attending a cornerstone-laying ceremony for a new neighborhood on the Mount of Olives in east Jerusalem -- a disputed territory in the Middle East that Huckabee says should belong to Israel. East Jerusalem and the adjacent West Bank aren't recognized as Israeli land by most of the international community; Israel annexed East Jerusalem shortly after the Six Day War, while the remainder of the West Bank -- where there are numerous Israeli settlements -- remains under military administration..

Palestinians who live in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, Huckabee said, should settle in "territory that [is] in the hands of Muslims, in the hands of Arabs," as determined by the "international community."

Huckabee appeared at the event with actor Jon Voight, the Tea Party's favorite celebrity better known to most Israelis as Angelina Jolie's father.

"And now you are here, this is your time, and you are doing what you should be doing, which is to prepare the next generations and to be the hope of the world that you are," Voight said. "I love you all."

:Huck

:fbm

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 03, 2011, 12:57:12 AM
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102020033

Jebus flippin christ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 03, 2011, 01:20:56 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 03, 2011, 12:57:12 AM
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102020033

Jebus flippin christ.

That's some "Magnets, how do they work?" level shit right there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2011, 01:42:53 AM
Even if you happened to agree with the general sentiment that he's trying to convey, that he happens to get a number of incredibly basic facts utterly wrong has to raise your eyebrows just a little.

Although perhaps his intended audience doesn't realize this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 06:53:12 AM
I found video evidence of white protesters calling for the lynching of a black judge! Is this proof that the tea party is racist?

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[youtube=560,345]E3ctO7fdrcc[/youtube]

1:09 "What do we do after we impeach Clarence Thomas?"
"Put him back in to the fields"
"What about Alito?"
"He should go back to Sicily"

Wow. Liberals advocating deportation and lynching. I'm just shocked I tell ya. Shocked! This is far worse than anything I have ever seen come out of the tea party. What a bunch of taco hypocrites.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 04, 2011, 11:33:27 AM
u mad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 11:49:52 AM
Really? That's your response.  :lol

Where's all the outrage and calls for investigation? Oh yeah.... It's only racist when the other side does it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
Most of the SMHing I do at tea party videos is due to "stupid people talking." Guess what, I can SMH at that video too for the same reason. But oh look at this

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The poll also shows that while three in four Americans say violence against the government is never justified, 16 percent say it can be justified -- the same percentage that said as much in April. Twenty-eight percent of Republicans said such violence can be justified, compared with 11 percent of Democrats and independents. 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028218-503544.html

i guess your vid found some of that 11% huh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 04, 2011, 03:46:29 PM
Sorry Beardo, that dude was a plant. Better luck next crime.


Anyway, not sure how this dude got vetted through Limbaugh's producers, but it's a pretty amusing exchange:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201102040023
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2011, 04:08:49 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 06:53:12 AM
I found video evidence of white protesters calling for the lynching of a black judge! Is this proof that the tea party is racist?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]E3ctO7fdrcc[/youtube]

1:09 "What do we do after we impeach Clarence Thomas?"
"Put him back in to the fields"
"What about Alito?"
"He should go back to Sicily"

Wow. Liberals advocating deportation and lynching. I'm just shocked I tell ya. Shocked! This is far worse than anything I have ever seen come out of the tea party. What a bunch of distinguished effete fellow hypocrites.
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Video shot by Andrew Breitbart. Nice credible source there Beardo :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:22:34 PM
I heard Breitbart used his republican mind powers to make that guy think and say those things.
That's pretty scary!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 04, 2011, 04:22:37 PM
Breitbart?  Seriously?  I'd be more apt to believe a Goebbels video at this point, honestly.  gtfo of here with that bullshit, Beardo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:26:13 PM
REally? You guys really think this is unbelievable? Look at all the cooky liberal protests that had George Bush in a noose and tell me that liberals dont advocate violence.

That woman at the end said that she wanted to torture Alito's Wife.

SMH at you guys being defensive.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:28:33 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 04, 2011, 04:22:37 PM
Breitbart?  Seriously?  I'd be more apt to believe a Goebbels video at this point, honestly.  gtfo of here with that bullshit, Beardo.

u mad? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2011, 04:35:30 PM
Posting a Breitbart video and expecting us to take it seriously is pretty insulting. So yeah, we mad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 04, 2011, 04:35:30 PM
Posting a Breitbart video and expecting us to take it seriously is pretty insulting. So yeah, we mad.

I know right. Liberals would never say such things!
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Not a Breitbart video anyway, just a video that Breitbart blogged about. But Like everything else with you feggits, that is just a fact which is meaningless.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:44:51 PM
Or do you guys really think breitbart really does have magic brain waves to get liberals to say dumb things on camera.

I dont really think that's possible. As far as I know he's only human.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
Most of the SMHing I do at tea party videos is due to "stupid people talking." Guess what, I can SMH at that video too for the same reason.

Thats fair, but nobody (including you) isn't SMHing at this video. People (not you) are defending it or worse trying to pretend it didn't actually happen.

It's quite amusing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 04, 2011, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:43:36 PM
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Not a Breitbart video anyway, just a video that Breitbart blogged about. But Like everything else with you distinguished effete fellows, that is just a fact which is meaningless.
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'

The person who filmed it writes for Breitbart' websites and was also involved in the fake Acorn video.

:derp http://wikibin.org/articles/christian-hartsock.html :derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 04, 2011, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
Most of the SMHing I do at tea party videos is due to "stupid people talking." Guess what, I can SMH at that video too for the same reason.



Thats fair, but nobody (including you) isn't SMHing at this video. People (not you) are defending it or worse trying to pretend it didn't actually happen.

It's quite amusing.

holy crap, idiots exist across the political spectrum WAT

thank you for sharing this revelation with us, rite

i am sorry you don't understand the silliness of your false equivalency exercise, though -- and that is why we laugh at conservatives, if you were wondering

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haha, conservatives "wondering"
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 04, 2011, 07:05:32 PM
I imagine this'll be Beardo's next salvo:

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Brooks beat Senator Charles Sumner with his Gutta-percha wood walking cane in the Senate chamber.

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Brooks was a staunch proponent of slavery and was officially associated with the Democratic Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Brooks#Political_career

"bubububu democrats are never violent racists!!'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2011, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 04, 2011, 04:46:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2011, 12:45:43 PM
Most of the SMHing I do at tea party videos is due to "stupid people talking." Guess what, I can SMH at that video too for the same reason.

Thats fair, but nobody (including you) isn't SMHing at this video. People (not you) are defending it or worse trying to pretend it didn't actually happen.

It's quite amusing.

No one is defending anyone using violent rhetoric, what the fuck man serious. If you can't have an intelligent, honest debate what's the point of getting laughed at over and over? Do you like being singled out?  :lol

Tea party people are dumb. Bleeding heart liberals are dumb. I spend the majority of my time either on my school's campus or in Ann Arbor, which is a liberal utopia. I'm surrounded  by dumb liberals. GUESS WHAT there are dumb people on every side of every issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 05, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
fwiw, I don't think tea party people are dumb. They just believe dumb things, which is different. Beardo sure is dumb though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2011, 09:53:56 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/us/05census.html  <-- Why movement conservatism, as it's currently constituted, is doomed.

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 05, 2011, 09:23:49 PM
fwiw, I don't think tea party people are dumb. They just believe dumb things, which is different. Beardo sure is dumb though.

Word up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2011, 11:25:44 PM
Yup, eventually they're going to have to stop demonizing browns. Say what you will about Bush, but at least he didn't demonize Hispanics, and tried to address illegal immigration decently. Hell compared to the current crop of GOPers he didn't demonize Islam/Muslims either; I can't possibly imagine Romney or McCain visiting a mosque as Bush did after 911
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 06, 2011, 12:17:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UgFMf.jpg)

                                                                                                                                               
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 06, 2011, 05:40:03 AM
^  :lol

and yeah, Rove always has seen the writing on the wall and Bush (for all his personal faults) I don't think was ever particulary rascist. He was an equal opportunity sneerer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 06, 2011, 11:15:01 AM
Wasn't that about when conservatives first began to turn on him, it wasn't for any of his other numerous shit he was pulling, but his soft and practically sane stance towards Mexican immigration?

its freaking crazy to think that the current conservative movement could get me even a little nostalgic for W.  It ain't there yet, but I could see it happening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2011, 02:14:20 PM
well he did keep us safe :american

Fort Hood, never forget
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 06, 2011, 05:09:32 PM
O' Reily - "Admit you're a socialist!  Admit you're a redistributer of wealth!"
Obama - "C'mon man.  Really?"

is that really what any conservative newsman will do if they get a sitdown with the big man?  Futilely try to pigeonhole the dude into their talking points?  And Obama was steadfast on his State of the Union message, but didn't sound like a shrill myna bird.  But maybe that's just me.

Hell, I was just surprised to see this on national TV as a prelude to the Super Bowl.  I guess this game really does have something for everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2011, 09:34:31 PM
Ooh, is that O'reilly interview up on the interwebs yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
vid:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/06/obama-oreilly-interview-s_n_819315.html

Read some of the article, haven't watched tho
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 06, 2011, 09:53:19 PM
Obama responding to O'Reilly's "do you know what a blitz is?" was hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
Obama seems like a huge basketball fan who casually watches football and baseball lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2011, 11:14:56 PM
[youtube=560,345]zGhR2VnVma0[/youtube]

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 07, 2011, 12:09:33 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
vid:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/06/obama-oreilly-interview-s_n_819315.html

Read some of the article, haven't watched tho

On the one hand, I'm kinda annoyed that Obama would actually somewhat demean himself by providing legitimacy to some lowlife fuck like O'reilly.

On the other hand, it's always amusing to see Obama destroy any right wing intellectual light weight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2011, 12:21:55 AM
Poor interview from O'Reilly. The constant topic jumping/lack of focus was odd, as was his continuation of the right wing attack over Obama refusing to endorse or condone an Egyptian faction.

When Obama lamented not being able to visit the corner anymore, I had visions of The Wire  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 07, 2011, 12:34:15 AM
Interview was pretty lame. O'reilly was a bit too mild and he didn't ask too many significant questions that would make him look too bad, sadly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2011, 02:31:15 AM
Those type of interviews remind you of how bad the media is. You rarely, rarely see anyone ask a policy question. It's always politic bullshit or some type of muddied issue ("moslem brotherhood!"). Like on the health care mandate - instead of just bringing up the judge, why not ask constitutional expert/Beardo troll extraordinaire Mr. Obama why he thinks the mandate is constitutional, what precedent if any exists for regulating/punishing inactivity on a federal level etc. Maybe Obama shows his cards, maybe he doesn't. But regardless it would be interesting.

If only Tim Russert was alive!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2011, 02:51:12 AM
The idea is that it doesn't make for compelling television with visible conflict or a dramatic, easily understandable hook.

Ironically, Sarah Palin is probably the most likely person to get asked substantive questions, if only because she's likely to produce a trainwreck of an answer.  If McCain had picked Romney as his running mate, Charlie Gibson probably doesn't even ask the NATO question.  It would all have been "can you two put the animosity behind you?" and "what did you learn about Senator McCain on the campaign trail?"

Anyway, the point as always is never never never get your news from cable TV (except maybe Rachel Maddow) and never never never get your news from Politico (except Laura Rozen).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2011, 03:14:39 AM
I can probably count on my fingers the time I've visited Politico since the inauguration.

Yup, Palin definitely inspires journalists to ask questions with substance; imo the only somewhat unfair/blatant question she received was the Bush doctrine one. Her death panel attacks are really what got the media to finally look at the actual health care bill instead of arguing around its edges on meaningless stuff.

I can't imagine her running in 2012. She'll actually have to prepare for multiple debates where she'll be attacked by opponents; Biden pretty much ignored her in the 08 debate. I'd love to hear her whack around Romney, or insinuate his religion is a problem ha.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2011, 08:30:33 AM
I think the Bush Doctrine bit was fair game.  It was a pretty big point of contention during his first term.  Sure, it's kind of obscure outside the poli-geek crowd, but it's something you ought to know if you're going to be an old man's heart attack away from the presidency.

Wonder if she runs.  I have no idea what's actually in her mind, but she's so visible and active that she almost has to run.  Then everyone else has to figure out whether or not they attack her, and whether she's running hard to win or pulling a Fred Thompson-style goodwill tour.  It'll be interesting to see it play out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2011, 03:31:15 PM
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"Due to an onslaught of personal attacks against Governor Palin and others associated with her appearance, it is with deep sadness and disappointment that, in the best interest of all, we cancel the event for safety concerns," the Facebook post reads.

The announcement also states that no direct threats had been made against anyone, but said that the "increase in negative rhetoric against the former Alaska governor" after the Tucson shooting "raises concern for her safety and the safety of others despite the call for civility in America."
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The Post points out that May 2 is also the date of a NBC/Politico 2012 Republican presidential candidates debate, to be held at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in California.

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I hope she's running. It scrambles the Republican message considerably, especially with her being the Arctic Martyr of the Ages --- they will meet with monumental blow back from her rabid Tea Party fans if they attack her. But it will drive the GOP way to the right, which in normal times I would think would make them weaker and less likely to win a general election. But everything is politically unstable right now and I'm not so sure that will happen. Best to hope for economic rebound of epic proportions (10% growth!) so that people will feel that things are going so well that they don't want to rock the boat. otherwise, I'm afraid anything can happen.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/sarahs-running-by-digby-if-it-werent.html

interesting. Palin would chase Goldwater out of the party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 07, 2011, 06:39:58 PM
I might register as a Republican just to vote for Palin at the primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 07, 2011, 08:55:38 PM
Since it was Reagan's birthday or whatever yesterday, here's a very detailed account of all the acts of treason Reagan committed (the bad ones, not like the Iran-Contra thing) throughout his presidency:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0301.green.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 08, 2011, 01:15:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2011, 12:21:55 AM
Poor interview from O'Reilly. The constant topic jumping/lack of focus was odd, as was his continuation of the right wing attack over Obama refusing to endorse or condone an Egyptian faction.

When Obama lamented not being able to visit the corner anymore, I had visions of The Wire  :lol


Obama blew it big time. First of all he had no tie on. And second he looked high.


(http://i.imgur.com/riy6B.png)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2011, 01:23:53 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 08, 2011, 09:05:14 AM
Never fails  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 08, 2011, 09:40:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6kGasHGXSy4

well then
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2011, 09:52:14 PM
America- Fuck Yeah!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 08, 2011, 10:07:04 PM
For 2012, I'll have two spots on the futon in my spare bedroom (if you're willing to cuddle), two couch spots, and beyond that, bring your own sleeping bag...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 08, 2011, 10:14:10 PM
Also, I know this sort of sentiment has been expressed before, but that clip really is indistinguishable from an Onion video.  wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 08, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
that video isn't funny, just sad and very depressing.

I'd say the video says more about the current and future Republican party then it does about how they feel about Obama.  They're entirely white, two thirds male, mostly older, and obviously very and sorrowfully misinformed.  Seeing Hannity at the end pretty much hit all the targets in the exploitative and co-dependent circle that are the Republican base and their favored media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2011, 11:46:46 PM
Reminds me of that video of the McCain supporter telling him "he's...he's...he's an arab." Just tell us what you're really thinking so we can move on

That video also does a great job of illistrating how effective the echo chamber is. Not a single person in that room has any solution for Egypt, many don't know what's going on. They've just heard the WH is dithering, muslim brotherhood, Clinton, muslim brotherhood, Israel, muslim brotherhood, Iran. So of course they feel like the WH doesn't know what it's doing. It's not like Obama can come out and say "I'd prefer if x became the next leader. I don't want to see y elected. The US wants z to happen." But conservatives have simplified everything to the point where people expect those types of answers (see: Palin's criticism of the WH response)

On a side note my uncle had a dental appointment today so I got to see him. He was explaining to me how the Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over Egypt and set the stage for the Rapture by instituting a caliphate (which he called "cellifate"). He's basically a religious prophecy version of Manabyte, but a Nolan fanboy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2011, 12:07:20 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 08, 2011, 10:05:47 PM
I mean you would expect people to start laughing when the woman says she think Obama is a Muslim, but the past two have sort of stripped away our freedom to laugh when when people say incredibly dumb shit because you know somewhere in America there's entire towns of voters that believe this shit.

My wife's grandma from Lincoln Nebraska thinks that Obama is secretly a Muslim, and she not even the craziest member of her extended family.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2011, 12:22:40 PM
It's really simple. You can't in modern polite society call a black person you don't like a distinguished black fellow. You have to use other code words to express your irrational fear/hatred. So since his name is Barack Obama, "muslim" equates as a very nice code word to replace the other word.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
“You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow, distinguished black fellow,’ ” said Atwater. “By 1968, you can’t say ‘distinguished black fellow’ — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things, and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 09, 2011, 02:40:59 PM
I love how we've gone from fiscal responsibility and small government to three bills on abortions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 09, 2011, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2011, 12:22:40 PM
It's really simple. You can't in modern polite society call a black person you don't like a distinguished black fellow. You have to use other code words to express your irrational fear/hatred. So since his name is Barack Obama, "muslim" equates as a very nice code word to replace the other word.

muslin is the new state's rights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 09, 2011, 06:43:02 PM
http://gawker.com/#!5755071/married-gop-congressman-sent-sexy-pictures-to-craigslist-babe (http://gawker.com/#!5755071/married-gop-congressman-sent-sexy-pictures-to-craigslist-babe)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/gop-rep-lee-resigns-after-craigslist-photos-surface.php (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/gop-rep-lee-resigns-after-craigslist-photos-surface.php)

lulz
Title: FoC made it to C-PAC this year...
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2011, 03:24:50 AM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/10/cpac-2011-whose-bright-idea-was-it-to-put-rumsfeld-and-cheney-in-front-of-screaming-libertarians.aspx

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WASHINGTON -- First, a word about hecklers: It's awful that they get so much attention. A few bad apples in a room of thousands can create the impression of massive dissent, when it really isn't there.

That said, boy, was there a lot of heckling when Donald Rumsfeld arrived at CPAC to accept the Defender of the Constitution Award. The ballroom for big events fills up many minutes in advance. In this instance, the people who wanted to hear Rand Paul speak at 3:45 had to arrive around 2:30, and stay there. If they did, they sat through a speech from Donald Trump (a surprise to attendees who weren't checking the news frequently), and used every possible moment to yell "RON PAUL" at the Donald. When Trump responded to one of the heckles, and said that Paul "can't win" the presidency, there were loud and righteous boos.

It takes a while to exit the ballroom. This means that hundreds of Paul fans -- recognizably younger and sometimes beardier than the median CPAC attendee -- are in the room or in lines as Donald Rumsfeld is introduced.

"I am pleased to recognize our chairman, David Keene, to recognize Donald Rumsfeld," says emcee Ted Cruz.

There are loud boos.

Keene mentions that this is the "Defender of the Constitution Award." More boos; also, shouts of "RON PAUL! RON PAUL!"

Man I hope Ron Paul runs again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 11, 2011, 12:01:55 PM
He truly is the Nader of the right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2011, 02:06:34 PM
my respect/love for Paul and his fans has gone up over 9000 points since 2009
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2011, 03:00:45 PM
Paul's holding his first hearings on monetary policy, and is calling on a complete (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201121125158705862.html) nutcase (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/johnny-reb-economics/) to testify.  Should be elucidating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 11, 2011, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 11, 2011, 03:00:45 PM
Paul's holding his first hearings on monetary policy, and is calling on a complete (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/02/201121125158705862.html) nutcase (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/09/johnny-reb-economics/) to testify.  Should be elucidating.

"American health care fascialism"  ??? :rofl ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 11, 2011, 05:39:59 PM
Edit: moved to own thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
omg that is going to be so terrible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]TsfqZA6b6JQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 11, 2011, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
[youtube=560,345]TsfqZA6b6JQ[/youtube]


So are libertarians going to stop driving on all the roads and make it so traffic isn't so bad anymore? Hey, sounds like a great idea to me!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2011, 10:44:32 PM
how have I never seen/heard of this before
[youtube=560,345]-WP5dYfBBzU[/youtube]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/herman-cain-to-cpac-stupid-people-are-ruining-america.php?ref=fpb

The New Black Hope :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2011, 02:10:15 AM
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pages/interactive#/?start=1980&end=2008

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/14/carol-moseley-braun-wins-_n_822881.html

seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
On top of the whole committing-a-Godwin-violation-to-attack-a-Jewish-candidate thing, it's just a weird line.

Telling a joke that you need to explain, and is hardly a joke even then?  And referencing The Producers in front of what I assume is a predominantly black audience?  Next you'll see Mitt Romney try to win Tea Partiers by awkwardly explaining the premise of a Tyler Perry comedy.

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"Just as we know Madea is really a man under all that makeup and costume, we can see now that the president is really a socialist beneath all his moderate rhetoric.  Only for America, the results have been tragic rather than earthily humorous!"
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2011, 08:24:56 PM
A co-worker of mine commented "urban politics are so disgusting" after the reparations nonsense at a previous Chicago mayor debate. Politics is pretty muddy regardless of whether it's urban, suburban, country, etc. No one likes a carpetbagger and whoever has a house, job, went to college, etc out of the state/city/county/etc is going to have their credentials questioned. Sort of like arguing over who's from Compton and who moved to Riverside

Although to be fair, I still want to pull my hair out when family members from Detroit drone on about how I can't have an option on Kwame Kilpatrick because I live in the suburbs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2011, 08:42:54 PM
Speaking of which, have you seen Street Fight?  Go watch Street Fight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
So...one other thing about the November elections was that Republicans won huge in state legislatures and governorships throughout the country. I thought this could prove to have dire consequences, but it actually turns out, this was actually a GOOD thing (depending on what state your in). Because a bunch of dumbass, reactionary governors, like Rick Scott keep doing things like this:

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Gov. Rick Scott of Florida declines $2 billion of federal money in deciding not to build a Orlando-to-Tampa high-speed rail line. Two other governors have made similar moves.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0216/Derailed-Third-GOP-governor-rejects-Obama-high-speed-rail-plan

Those funds that these guys rejected then get diverted to states like California (which is where I happen to live). Guess Republicans are great job creators afterall, just in states where they're not governors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2011, 08:50:34 PM
Speaking of GOP govs doing thangs
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/16/133814271/union-changes-in-wisconsin-spark-protests

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In Wisconsin on Wednesday, thousands of protesters again descended on the grounds of the Capitol to oppose a budget proposal by newly elected Republican Gov. Scott Walker. Walker wants to strip government unions of most bargaining rights, a move he argues would help bring public sector benefits in line with the private sector.

All week, workers have flocked to the Capitol in giant waves of protests. On Wednesday, they were rallying on the Capitol lawn and picketing the streets on the Capitol Square. Crowds numbering as many as 13,000 have at times shut down traffic. Unions contend that Wednesday's crowd is closer to 30,000.

So many Madison public school teachers called in sick Wednesday that the district closed down.

Inside the Capitol, protesters in the hallways and rotunda chant "Kill the bill." The measure would patch a $137 million hole in the state's current budget, but in the process, it would rework collective bargaining laws that were written 50 years ago.

Good to see republicans so focused on jobs with all these patriotic anti abortion bills, slashing of worker rights, rejected high speed rail construction projects, etc etc etc. If only Obama was this focused on jobs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 16, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 16, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
So...one other thing about the November elections was that Republicans won huge in state legislatures and governorships throughout the country. I thought this could prove to have dire consequences, but it actually turns out, this was actually a GOOD thing (depending on what state your in). Because a bunch of dumbass, reactionary governors, like Rick Scott keep doing things like this:

Quote
Gov. Rick Scott of Florida declines $2 billion of federal money in deciding not to build a Orlando-to-Tampa high-speed rail line. Two other governors have made similar moves.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0216/Derailed-Third-GOP-governor-rejects-Obama-high-speed-rail-plan

Those funds that these guys rejected then get diverted to states like California (which is where I happen to live). Guess Republicans are great job creators afterall, just in states where they're not governors.


This is the fucked up thing (different article):

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Numerous private corporations — including international conglomerates such as Siemens, Alstom, and JR East — have indicated that they would be willing to pick up the state’s tab and cover construction and operations risks, in exchange for the right to operate the trains.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
(http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgrorzJ9Mb1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
I'm all for standing up to the man, but fleeing the state because you don't want to take a vote you know you'll lose is just dumb. Draw a line in the sand and fight - if you lose so be it, but at least you tried. Changing the rules or obstructing isn't the way to go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2011, 07:34:58 PM
Welp, seems Boehner's throwing down the gauntlet for the gubment shutdown.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/17/946162/-Boehner-threatens%C2%A0shutdown-over%C2%A0spending%C2%A0bill
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2011, 07:41:49 PM
"Obama refuses to work with republicans, government shuts down"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2011, 08:36:35 PM
Probably stupid question, but does a gubment shutdown extend to Pentagon activities too?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on February 18, 2011, 12:55:40 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/number1/

Fox being humble as usual.  :bow2
Title: In politics, obstruction IS fighting
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2011, 02:43:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
I'm all for standing up to the man, but fleeing the state because you don't want to take a vote you know you'll lose is just dumb. Draw a line in the sand and fight - if you lose so be it, but at least you tried. Changing the rules or obstructing isn't the way to go.

I haven't followed the details of this, but if leaving the state makes passing the law more difficult and brings more publicity to the cause, how is it not "trying"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 02:49:37 AM
It doesn't strike me as "trying" if you simply leave the state/not vote though. Seems like an obstruction stunt; eventually they have to vote, might as well get people on record officially and see what happens next.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 18, 2011, 02:57:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 02:49:37 AM
It doesn't strike me as "trying" if you simply leave the state/not vote though. Seems like an obstruction stunt; eventually they have to vote, might as well get people on record officially and see what happens next.

Why pass a bad bill today when who knows what putting it off will bring?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2011, 03:08:51 AM
Okay, as I understand it (this is mostly assuming it's similar to the TX legislature during the redistricting kerfuffle), the majority has enough votes to pass a law that the opposition feels is unfair.  So the opposition lawmakers leave the state in order to deny a quorum, making a vote impossible until they return.

Leaving the state is a stalling tactic, which reliably focuses media attention on the issue but probably won't change the outcome.  However holding a vote is, for all intents and purposes, capitulating.  In what way is a strategy that requires more co-ordination, brings more publicity, and increases the chances (however slight) of success not "trying"?



edit:  I think I get the impulse here, to see physical presence + official opposition as being more authentic resistance than physically running away, but that's taking the battle metaphor too literally.  Fighting for something in politics means doing whatever gives you better odds of a better result, and sometimes that means obstructionism and baldfaced publicity stunts.  Hell, that's all the GOP's done the last two years and no liberal I know would say they haven't been fighting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 03:23:16 AM
There were 30,000 protesters on the scene before this, I'm not sure this is what it takes to bring more publicity to an already electric event. Considering it won't change the outcome, I just don't see the point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2011, 03:28:30 AM
Well sure it's likely to be futile.  But "drawing a line in the sand" via a vote is sure to be futile, so I don't see how one strategy is dumb and the other's commendable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 18, 2011, 08:14:02 AM
Republicans who filibuster = "Party of no"

Democrats who physically flee the state so they dont have to vote = "Party of commendably bringing more publicity to the cause"


 :lol SMH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 18, 2011, 09:01:24 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2f095w5.jpg)
"I learned it by watching you."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 18, 2011, 10:02:52 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 18, 2011, 08:14:02 AM
Republicans who filibuster = "Party of no"

Democrats who physically flee the state so they dont have to vote = "Party of commendably bringing more publicity to the cause"


 :lol SMH

Does Beardo understand using the distorted modern version of the filibuster to as a kneejerk reaction to stall basic functions of gov't inconspicuously knowing you won't suffer penalty for your opposition vs. taking a principled stand, wearing your position on your sleeve and wishing for as much media attention to be called to your issue as possible in front of the voters?

WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 18, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
I would give you 3 Wisconsin Democrats out of 5 for you sweet mental gymnastics, but nobody knows where they are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 10:17:45 AM
I see I'm on Beardo's side of an issue. Time to reevaluate my position

brb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 18, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 18, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
I would give you 3 Wisconsin Democrats out of 5 for you sweet mental gymnastics, but nobody knows where they are.

Taking drastic steps to stop a law you find untenable = abusing an archaic rule to not even attempt to govern over the country you were asked to govern.

I also like how somehow WI Dem's extremely vocal protests then standing behind their principled reasons for their actions = Republicans doing everything to stimy any attempt at to try Obama's basic goverance, whether for the objective good of the country or not - then blaming Obama for not cooperating w/ Republicans

OH GOD WHY AM I ARGUING WITH BEARDO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
At the end of the day you agree with this form of obstruction because the goal is admirable in your opinion. On the filibuster, you're right about the systematic abuse of the it, but this is more comparable to filibustering legislation (health care) one is ideologically opposed to. In both cases one side halts debate and delays the democratic process. I'm not a fan of the filibuster, and I'm not a fan of fleeing debates to stall them.

Beardo don't make me look bad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 18, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
At the end of the day you agree with this form of obstruction because the goal is admirable in your opinion. On the filibuster, you're right about the systematic abuse of the it, but this is more comparable to filibustering legislation (health care) one is ideologically opposed to. In both cases one side halts debate and delays the democratic process. I'm not a fan of the filibuster, and I'm not a fan of fleeing debates to stall them.

Beardo don't make me look bad

Everything you have said is true, but at the end of the day at least the Republicans showed up for work and had the guts to show their faces.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2011, 05:16:34 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 18, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2011, 11:13:50 AM
At the end of the day you agree with this form of obstruction because the goal is admirable in your opinion. On the filibuster, you're right about the systematic abuse of the it, but this is more comparable to filibustering legislation (health care) one is ideologically opposed to. In both cases one side halts debate and delays the democratic process. I'm not a fan of the filibuster, and I'm not a fan of fleeing debates to stall them.

Beardo don't make me look bad

Everything you have said is true, but at the end of the day at least the Republicans showed up for work and had the guts to show their faces.

If they only way they could have obstructed Dem legislation was by not being there for votes, what do you think the chances are that they would suddenly have Very Important Business back home in their districts?  Let's not be COMPLETELY stupid here.

Oh wait, this is Beardo we're talking about here.  He probably honestly believes that cutting taxes reduces the deficit.  Nevermind!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 18, 2011, 05:54:56 PM
Addendum to my "doom and gloom" regarding resource scarcity and climate change:

http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/02/14/the_coming_misery_that_big_oil_discusses_behind_closed_doors

http://www-static.shell.com/static/public/downloads/brochures/corporate_pkg/scenarios/shell_energy_scenarios_2050.pdf

[youtube=560,345]Yc5t5xro7RA[/youtube]

Consider:  if a "Big Oil" company is being this "negative", "pessimistic" etc, how fucked are we, truly?

For those pie-in-the-sky "human innovation will overcome all", the most repeated phrase in the Shell documents/talking points seems to be "there are no silver bullets"

Also interesting that it says this: ""major resource holders are increasingly the rule makers rather than the rule takers. They use their growing prominence in the world to influence international policies, particularly when it comes to matters they insist are internal such as human rights and democratic governance."

That would, presumably, include Canada, meaning I would be safe, being in a "have" country.  But realistically, I would see us being annexed, or at least, coerced into favourable terms of trade, by the United States, in such a scenario.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also:  any irony factor in Shell dude's name being Jeremy Bentham? something Utilitarianism something?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2011, 06:36:39 PM
Unfortunately, the world seems far more reactionary than proactive, so it's probably going to come down to crunch time before enough people start to say "Hey, maybe me ought to pour a lot more money into alternative fuels and energy-saving programs" before anything actually starts to get done in a meaningful enough amount to make a real difference, which isn't a very fun prospect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 18, 2011, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2011, 06:36:39 PM
Unfortunately, the world seems far more reactionary than proactive, so it's probably going to come down to crunch time before enough people start to say "Hey, maybe me ought to pour a lot more money into alternative fuels and energy-saving programs" before anything actually starts to get done in a meaningful enough amount to make a real difference, which isn't a very fun prospect.

Indeed.  As a parable:

About a year, year-and-a-half ago, the Canadian grocery chain (which is my local supermarket) Sobey's implemented an environmentally-friendly decision to charge 5 cents per plastic bag, in order to encourage people to move to re-usable bags.  So you would be asked if you needed to purchase plastic bags at checkout.

A few weeks after implementation, I asked a few of the checkout clerks how it was going.  I was told stories of middle-aged women freaking the fuck out at the prospect of paying 5 cents for a plastic bag...These, of course, being women with grocery bills of 200+ dollars for a family of four, freaking at their bill being increased by 50 cents for an environmentally-friendly measure.

At this point, obviously, it's business as usual, no big deal.  But I came away from those conversations thinking: human civilization is fucked.  If our reaction to spending 5 cents for a plastic grocery bag is to throw a screaming fit at the checkout counter, we have little hope of making it through the coming decades without massive, large-scale tensions and breakdowns in society.

edit:  at the same time, I don't think "put money into alternative fuels and energy-saving programs" is even enough.  I think that we're going to have to completely reconsider how civilization and the global economy is structured, and to reconsider the imperative/Holy Grail/unquestioned acceptance of Growth in order to survive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 18, 2011, 11:06:55 PM
Shell pulled out of renewables in a major way in 2009. Partly (I am guessing) was due to the unstable nature of the world economy (and the bottoming out of oil prices) and also the fact that there is no infrastructure in place to support rapid expansion/adaptation of solar, wind, et al.


They seem to be leaning heavily towards non-food based biofuels (enzymes and shit). Codexis is the name of the company they are in bed with, if you are interested in investing.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 18, 2011, 11:15:35 PM
I haven't read in-depth, but yeah, Dyer has mentioned the potential for non-food biofuels before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2011, 11:16:56 PM
PD:  Worth noting that everything I've read so far shows that the unions and protesters consider the actions of the Dem legislators to be hugely supportive and useful to the cause.  I know that it's counterintuitive to think of physically fleeing as staunch opposition, but let's try to remember that this is a procedural fight, not a physical one.

Also, nothing wrong with using every rule at your disposal to push for the result you want.  I don't enjoy it when Republicans force a liberal bill to get 60 votes in the Senate, but it ain't cheating.

The real defect in the process the last two years was that the GOP obstructed everything for the sake of obstruction.  It wasn't just stuff they opposed for ideological reasons.  It was stuff that passed overwhelmingly when it got a floor vote (the CC bill of rights), appointees who were unanimously confirmed, legislation that zipped through the lame duck session once they didn't worry about making Obama seem successful, and major legislation they had boosted or even explicitly sponsored just a year or two before (health reform, cap and trade).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on February 19, 2011, 10:18:54 AM
I'm a little late for this, but have yesterday's veto UN draft veto'd been discussed?

I'd like to hear an educated response defending the move.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 19, 2011, 10:45:38 AM
We'll handle the energy issues like we handled the housing bubble: frenzied, half assed reactions well past the point of no return.

I hope to hell someone develops a cheap way to remove mass quantities of carbon, nitrogen, and sulfur oxides from the atmosphere.  That is basically the only option we have.

As much as people want to say "bobobo...", the 5 cent plastic bag, record iPad/iPhone sales, etc.  The general consensus is that people shouldn't have to be too inconvenienced in the transition.  People don't want to be denied their right to consume or to pay a premium for that consumption.

It's such a shame that we're spending record levels of money on the Pentagon when even breaking off a 10% chunk of that towards solar, wind, and nuclear energy alternatives would make significant strides.  There's even opportunities for businesses to make obscene profits just like the defense contractors!  I figure that would seal the deal.

Shah Rukh Khan: I like the stance that I heard: "We vetoed the resolution but we're against further Israeli settlements!"  I don't see how to defend it except AIPAC money flowing into coffers for the 2012 race.  Considering how vital the election is for both parties, neither are probably willing to risk anything, for maximum contributions and public opinion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 20, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
http://twitter.com/tomtomorrow/status/39041096298274816
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2011, 08:18:10 PM
JayDubya is on a rampage in like three separate threads on gaf :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2011, 12:17:15 AM
Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on February 19, 2011, 10:18:54 AM
I'm a little late for this, but have yesterday's veto UN draft veto'd been discussed?

I'd like to hear an educated response defending the move.

Unless there's something different about this time, the US basically provides an automatic veto on any resolution that condemns or declares illegal any of Israel's actions.  That's because of the US-Israel alliance and American domestic politics.

It does mean that a bunch of countries get to register a symbolic protest against Israeli policy by making these votes without ever having to worry about enforcing an actual punishment, giving them a kind of moral freebie.

I know you were asking someone to defend the veto on its merits, but it's so nakedly political (and so unremarkable as part of the larger pattern) that it's kinda pointless.  See also. (http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/2004/07/israels-wall.html)



PS  Have you read any of this Palestinian Papers business?  I haven't really caught up with it, but it sounds crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 21, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Maybe the tea baggers would be more sympathetic to unions if they referred to themselves as 'confederacies' instead?
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2011, 06:32:59 PM
Gotta love the tea party siding with big business on every single issue. If they were around during the Revolution they would have bashed the Boston Tea Party as destruction of private property.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 21, 2011, 07:09:03 PM
they're all so damn certain that tyranny in this country comes from government and not corporate powers, in a way, they're not wrong.

all the crap that's holding this country back does come from the government, a government that is bought and paid for by corporate interests.  Its like being mad at the gun that shot you and not the person that fired it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 21, 2011, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 21, 2011, 07:09:03 PM
they're all so damn certain that tyranny in this country comes from government and not corporate powers, in a way, they're not wrong.

all the crap that's holding this country back does come from the government, a government that is bought and paid for by corporate interests.  Its like being mad at the gun that shot you and not the person that fired it.

Well, the good news is tea baggers would NEVER do such a thing.  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 21, 2011, 10:11:12 PM
I'm just watching the American Experience on Carter.

:bow He will be forever awesome :bow2

:usacry us rejecting him shows we're been forever fucked :usacry

PUT ON A SWEATER BITCHTES!!!
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Post by: Oblivion on February 22, 2011, 01:29:36 AM
Tea Baggers: Corporations shouldn't pay taxes. (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/teabaggers-madison-corporations-shoul)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 22, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
(http://i37.tinypic.com/124wy11.jpg)
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Post by: Beardo on February 22, 2011, 09:26:40 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 21, 2011, 10:11:12 PM
I'm just watching the American Experience on Carter.

:bow He will be forever awesome :bow2

:usacry us rejecting him shows we're been forever fucked :usacry

PUT ON A SWEATER BITCHTES!!!

Anyone remember the episode of Freaks and Geeks where they convince the distinguished mentally-challenged kid that President Carter is a good president and then all laugh at him?


Yeah... thats you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2011, 04:15:18 PM
It's funny that Carter is a bigger bete noir for the right than Clinton or Obama.  The man made deregulation a centerpiece of his presidency, signed a capital gains tax cut, pursued a harsher anti-Soviet policy than his predecessors, appointed the Fed chair who beat inflation, and was so out of sync with the liberal establishment that they tried to keep him from getting renominated in 1980.

Seriously, throw the guy a bone.
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 22, 2011, 04:38:12 PM
and he took us off the gold standard.

Ahhh, good-ol Carter.
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Post by: Oblivion on February 22, 2011, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 22, 2011, 04:15:18 PM
It's funny that Carter is a bigger bete noir for the right than Clinton or Obama.  The man made deregulation a centerpiece of his presidency, signed a capital gains tax cut, pursued a harsher anti-Soviet policy than his predecessors, appointed the Fed chair who beat inflation, and was so out of sync with the liberal establishment that they tried to keep him from getting renominated in 1980.

Seriously, throw the guy a bone.

He's like the anti-Reagan in the sense of how conservatives fondly remember Reagan, isn't he.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on February 22, 2011, 05:27:09 PM
I can't wait to see what Walker's little "fireside chat" is going to be like tonight.  He's supposed to address the state (and the nation) about what's going on in the capital and give his already well-known opinion on the matter.  I do think he's starting to squirm a little bit, as are the rest of the house republicans from all of this unwanted publicity.

But, that's what you get when you fuck with unions.

I think the part that is not helping Walker's bill and cause the most though is the group that's trying to give him the most support.  You don't help things when you call the people that oppose a bill you support "freeloaders" and "bums".  Not a good move Fox News.  I feel sorry for Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh if they ever get in an accident.  Those "freeloaders" and "bums" are the firefighters, EMT's, police officers, and nurses that will be there to "help" them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 22, 2011, 06:44:17 PM
I wonder what would happen if Ted Kennedy beat out Jimmy Carter and beat Reagan.
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Post by: Boogie on February 22, 2011, 07:06:57 PM
Quote from: andrwfields on February 22, 2011, 05:27:09 PM
Those "freeloaders" and "bums" are the firefighters, EMT's, police officers, and nurses that will be there to "help" them.

Yep.  Remember, kids.  The firefighters, EMTs, police officers and nurses, who are working constant shiftwork, and every holiday, including Christmas, are "freeloaders".

Republican lawmakers who couldn't work over the Christmas break to get a 9/11 First Responders Health Care bill passed because it would be "disrespectful" to Christians, are "tireless public servants."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
Interestingly enough, in Wisconsin the gov's budget doesn't target the police/fire unions... who also, interestingly enough, backed him in the election.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on February 22, 2011, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 22, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
Interestingly enough, in Wisconsin the gov's budget doesn't target the police/fire unions yet... who also, interestingly enough, backed him in the election for some stupid reason.

Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2011, 11:40:06 PM
My man Mitch!

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Members of the Democratic state House caucus in Indiana have found an unlikely ally in their quest to stop the GOP majority from pushing through a bill that critics say would destroy union organizing in the state. Gov. Mitch Daniels (R) took to the airwaves today to call on members of his party to drop the controversial "right to work" bill that led to Democrats going AWOL.

Daniels' statement, from WISH-TV:

    "I'm not sending the state police after anybody. I'm not gonna divert a single trooper from their job of protection the Indiana public. I trust that people's consciences will bring them back to work. ... For reasons I've explained more than once I thought there was a better time and place to have this very important and legitimate issue raised."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/mitch-daniels-calls-on-state-gop-to-abandon-union-busting-bill.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 01:09:33 AM
One of the worst aspects of this is the effort to make public school teachers into a pariah class, largely responsible both for government deficits and the failure of the educational system (both fictional and factual in both cases).

It's just really nasty to demonize people provide an important public service.  To children.  Often for less money than they could have made elsewhere.

Compared to the constant, almost socially mandatory reverence for soldiers it's pretty shocking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 23, 2011, 01:13:11 AM
no-one's demonizing PRIVATE school teachers :smug :jaydubya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 01:44:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 01:09:33 AM
One of the worst aspects of this is the effort to make public school teachers into a pariah class, largely responsible both for government deficits and the failure of the educational system (both fictional and factual in both cases).

It's just really nasty to demonize people provide an important public service.  To children.  Often for less money than they could have made elsewhere.

Compared to the constant, almost socially mandatory reverence for soldiers it's pretty shocking.

but they make $51,000 a year?!?!?!!?!?11 disgustingly overpayed for only 10 months of work
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 01:58:35 AM
Talk about raising the top rate another percent, then see if Republicans think $50,000 is well-compensated.  More likely, you'll get "sure, $300k sounds like a lot of money..." apologetics in the Todd Henderson (http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/09/in-which-mr-deling-responds-to-someone-who-might-be-professor-todd-henderson.html) mode.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on February 23, 2011, 02:23:57 AM
$50k for what they have to go through?  Has anyone here looked at what it takes to become a teacher these days?  I don't know how it is in Wisconsin, but in my state it's a pretty rigorous fucking task.  Not to mention the fact that when they do become teachers, they have the pleasure of babysitting this shithead generation of kids and future shitheads to come for retirement that is ages away and doesn't pay worth a fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 02:28:35 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 01:58:35 AM
  More likely, you'll get "sure, $300k sounds like a lot of money..." apologetics in the Todd Henderson (http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/09/in-which-mr-deling-responds-to-someone-who-might-be-professor-todd-henderson.html) mode.

(http://tinyurl.com/4jnz3cl)

dammit cajole, I need a gif
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2011, 09:17:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 01:44:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 01:09:33 AM
One of the worst aspects of this is the effort to make public school teachers into a pariah class, largely responsible both for government deficits and the failure of the educational system (both fictional and factual in both cases).

It's just really nasty to demonize people provide an important public service.  To children.  Often for less money than they could have made elsewhere.

Compared to the constant, almost socially mandatory reverence for soldiers it's pretty shocking.

but they make $51,000 a year?!?!?!!?!?11 disgustingly overpayed for only 10 months of work

My wife is a teacher. In NY, teachers are required to get their MBA within 5 years of being hired. She's been teaching 5th grade for 12 years, has her MBA, and is making less than $50,000 this year.

How many professions do you know that pay less than $50,000 to someone that has an MBA?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2011, 09:41:11 AM
Why the heck do teachers need an MBA  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
NY has a higher standard of education.  :cookiem
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2011, 10:12:08 AM
Seems weirdly arbitrary, like why not make them get a plumbers license too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 10:38:41 AM
You guys are acting like the GOP is trying to pull a fast one in Wisconsin. The people voted for them and now it's time for them to legislate the will of the people. Anyone who has seen one of the plethora of documentaries on the subject of the state of our public education system knows that Teachers Unions are slowly destroying the quality of our schools in this country.


Also,
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/145627-dem-lawmaker-on-labor-protests-get-a-little-bloody-when-necessary (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/145627-dem-lawmaker-on-labor-protests-get-a-little-bloody-when-necessary)
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Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and "get a little bloody," a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.

Is this an acceptable tactic guys? To call for blood on the streets? Or are we gonna blame this on Sarah Palin also. As far as I am concerned this whole ordeal has shown how fucking disgusting unions are.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2011, 11:18:41 AM
It's the bigger picture, Beardo. Busting a union has NOTHING to do with a budget and everything to do with killing off a large democratic donor.
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Post by: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 23, 2011, 11:18:41 AM
It's the bigger picture, Beardo. Busting a union has NOTHING to do with a budget and everything to do with killing off a large democratic donor.

So thats all Public unions are? A "large democratic doner."
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Clearly worth every tax payer dollar.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 23, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 10:38:41 AM
You guys are acting like the GOP is trying to pull a fast one in Wisconsin. The people voted for them and now it's time for them to legislate the will of the people. Anyone who has seen one of the plethora of documentaries on the subject of the state of our public education system knows that Teachers Unions are slowly destroying the quality of our schools in this country.

Pretty sure that teachers are paid a lot better in those countries which are currently spanking America's ass in education.


In Ontario, a teacher at the top pay level gets around 90k a year.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Quote from: Boogie on February 23, 2011, 11:32:49 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 10:38:41 AM
You guys are acting like the GOP is trying to pull a fast one in Wisconsin. The people voted for them and now it's time for them to legislate the will of the people. Anyone who has seen one of the plethora of documentaries on the subject of the state of our public education system knows that Teachers Unions are slowly destroying the quality of our schools in this country.

Pretty sure that teachers are paid a lot better in those countries which are currently spanking America's ass in education.


In Ontario, a teacher at the top pay level gets around 90k a year.





Thats's the point... we spend a huge magnitude more than any other country on education and the quality of it is getting worse! Clearly there is a problem that wont be solved by throwing MORE money at it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 11:48:42 AM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/walker_office_confirms_governor_fell_for_koch_pran.php?ref=fpi

holy shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:50:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 11:48:42 AM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/walker_office_confirms_governor_fell_for_koch_pran.php?ref=fpi

holy shit

Can't watch at the moment. What do the videos show?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 23, 2011, 12:01:59 PM
Partial Transcript via the Dailykos link:

Walker: Hi; this is Scott Walker.

Koch: Scott! David Koch. How are you?

Walker: Hey, David! I’m good. And yourself?

Koch: I’m very well. I’m a little disheartened by the situation there, but, uh, what’s the latest?

Walker: Well, we’re actually hanging pretty tough. I mean—you know, amazingly there’s a much smaller group of protesters—almost all of whom are in from other states today. The State Assembly is taking the bill up—getting it all the way to the last point it can be at where it’s unamendable. But they’re waiting to pass it until the Senate’s—the Senate Democrats, excuse me, the assembly Democrats have about a hundred amendments they’re going through. The state Senate still has the 14 members missing but what they’re doing today is bringing up all sorts of other non-fiscal items, many of which are things members in the Democratic side care about. And each day we’re going to ratchet it up a little bit…. The Senate majority leader had a great plan he told about this morning—he told the Senate Democrats about and he’s going to announce it later today, and that is: The Senate organization committee is going to meet and pass a rule that says if you don’t show up for two consecutive days on a session day—in the state Senate, the Senate chief clerk—it’s a little procedural thing here, but—can actually have your payroll stopped from being automatically deducted—

Koch: Beautiful.

Walker: —into your checking account and instead—you still get a check, but the check has to be personally picked up and he’s instructing them—which we just loved—to lock them in their desk on the floor of the state Senate.

Koch: Now you’re not talking to any of these Democrat bastards, are you?

Walker: Ah, I—there’s one guy that’s actually voted with me on a bunch of things I called on Saturday for about 45 minutes, mainly to tell him that while I appreciate his friendship and he’s worked with us on other things, to tell him I wasn’t going to budge.

Koch: Goddamn right!

Walker: …his name is Tim Cullen—

Koch: All right, I’ll have to give that man a call.

Walker: Well, actually, in his case I wouldn’t call him and I’ll tell you why: he’s pretty reasonable but he’s not one of us…

Koch: Now who can we get to budge on this collective bargaining?

Walker: …I think the paycheck will have an impact…secondly, one of the things we’re looking at next…we’re still waiting on an opinion to see if the unions have been paying to put these guys up out of state. We think there’s at minimum an ethics violation if not an outright felony.

Koch: Well, they’re probably putting hobos in suits.

Walker: Yeah.

Koch: That’s what we do. Sometimes.

Walker: I mean paying for the senators to be put up. I know they’re paying for these guy—I mean, people can pay for protesters to come in and that’s not an ethics code, but, I mean, literally if the unions are paying the 14 senators—their food, their lodging, anything like that…[* Important regarding his later acceptance of a Koch offer to “show him a good time.” *]

[I was stunned. I am stunned. In the interest of expediting the release of this story, here are the juiciest bits:]

Walker: …I’ve got layoff notices ready…

Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. Gotta crush that union.

Walker: [bragging about how he doesn't budge]…I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly…legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have quorum…so we’re double checking that. If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why. We’d only do it if they came back to the capital with all 14 of them…

Koch: Bring a baseball bat. That’s what I’d do.

Walker: I have one in my office; you’d be happy with that. I have a slugger with my name on it.

Koch: Beautiful.

Walker: [union-bashing...]

Koch: Beautiful.

Walker: So this is ground zero, there’s no doubt about it. [Talks about a “great” NYT piece of “objective journalism.” Talks about how most private blue-collar workers have turned against public, unionized workers.]…So I went through and called a handful, a dozen or so lawmakers I worry about each day and said, “Everyone, we should get that story printed out and send it to anyone giving you grief.”

Koch: Goddamn right! We, uh, we sent, uh, Andrew Breitbart down there.

Walker:Yeah.

Koch: Yeah.

Walker: Good stuff.

Koch: He’s our man, you know.

Walker: [blah about his press conferences, attacking Obama, and all the great press he's getting.] Brian [Sadoval], the new Governor of Nevada, called me the last night he said—he was out in the Lincoln Day Circuit in the last two weekends and he was kidding me, he said, “Scott, don’t come to Nevada because I’d be afraid you beat me running for governor.” That’s all they want to talk about is what are you doing to help the governor of Wisconsin. I talk to Kasich every day—John’s gotta stand firm in Ohio. I think we could do the same thing with Vic Scott in Florida. I think, uh, Snyder—if he got a little more support—probably could do that in Michigan. You start going down the list there’s a lot of us new governors that got elected to do something big.

Koch: You’re the first domino.

Walker: Yep. This is our moment.

Koch: Now what else could we do for you down there?

Walker: Well the biggest thing would be—and your guy on the ground [Americans For Prosperity president Tim Phillips] is probably seeing this [stuff about all the people protesting, and some of them flip him off].

[Abrupt end of first recording, and start of second.]

Walker: [Bullshit about doing the right thing and getting flipped off by “union bulls,” and the decreasing number of protesters. Or some such.]

Koch: We’ll back you any way we can. What we were thinking about the crowd was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.

Walker: You know, well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that. The problem—the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this…[explains that planting troublemakers may not work.] My only fear would be if there’s a ruckus caused is that maybe the governor has to settle to solve all these problems…[something about '60s liberals.]…Let ‘em protest all they want…Sooner or later the media stops finding it interesting.

Koch: Well, not the liberal bastards on MSNBC.

Walker: Oh yeah, but who watches that? I went on “Morning Joe” this morning. I like it because I just like being combative with those guys, but, uh. You know they’re off the deep end.

Koch: Joe—Joe’s a good guy. He’s one of us.

Walker: Yeah, he’s all right. He was fair to me…[bashes NY Senator Chuck Schumer, who was also on the program.]

Koch: Beautiful; beautiful. You gotta love that Mika Brzezinski; she’s a real piece of ass.

Walker: Oh yeah. [story about when he hung out with human pig Jim Sensenbrenner at some D.C. function and he was sitting next to Brzezinski and her father, and their guest was David Axelrod. He introduced himself.]

Koch: That son of a bitch!

Walker: Yeah no kidding huh?…

Koch: Well, good; good. Good catching up with ya’.

Walker: This is an exciting time [blah, blah, blah, Super Bowl reference followed by an odd story of pulling out a picture of Ronald Reagan and explaining to his staff the plan to crush the union the same way Reagan fired the air traffic controllers]…that was the first crack in the Berlin Wall because the Communists then knew Reagan wasn’t a pushover. [Blah, blah, blah. He's exactly like Reagan. Won't shut up about how awesome he is.]

Koch: [Laughs] Well, I tell you what, Scott: once you crush these bastards I’ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time.

Walker: All right, that would be outstanding. [* Ethical violation much? *] Thanks for all the support…it’s all about getting our freedoms back…

Koch: Absolutely. And, you know, we have a little bit of a vested interest as well. [Laughs]

Walker: [Blah] Thanks a million!

Koch: Bye-bye!

Walker: Bye.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 12:04:36 PM
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WALKER: You've got a few of the radical ones -- unfortunately, one of them's the minority leader -- but most of the rest of them are just looking for a way to get out of this. They're scared out of their minds. They don't know what it means. There's a bunch of recalls up against them. They'd really like to just get back up here and get it over with. So the paycheck thing, some of the other things threatening them, I think collectively there's enough going on, and as long as they don't think I'm going to cave, which again we have no interest in. An interesting idea that was brought up to me by my chief of staff, we won't do it until tomorrow, is putting out an appeal to the Democratic leader. I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly. They can recess it... the reason for that, we're verifying it this afternoon, legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have quorum because it's turned out that way. So we’re double checking that. If you heard I was going to talk to them that’s the only reason why. We’d only do it if they came back to the capitol with all 14 of them. My sense is, hell. I'll talk. If they want to yell at me for an hour, I'm used to that. I can deal with that. But I'm not negotiating.

That's his master end game plan? wow  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 23, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 23, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
NY has a higher standard of education.  :cookiem

Teachers have to get a Masters of Business Administration? Are you sure you don't mean a Masters of Education?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
Meh, that wasn't too bad.


Politics and sausage making blah blah blah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 23, 2011, 12:20:34 PM
normally I'd be against something like this.  The press shouldn't have to lie to somebody in order to get an actual gol-damn interview out of them.

But when the guy is this patently corrupt and partisan, I'll let that rule slide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
Obama, DOJ Say Part Of DOMA Is Unconstitutional, Will Not Defend It In Court
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/obama_doj_say_part_of_doma_is_unconstitutional_will_not_defend_it_in_court.php

never let a crisis go to waste, right Beardo?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 23, 2011, 01:01:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
Obama, DOJ Say Part Of DOMA Is Unconstitutional, Will Not Defend It In Court
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/obama_doj_say_part_of_doma_is_unconstitutional_will_not_defend_it_in_court.php

Badass. Although, I'm wondering if this is just Obama trying to get the gays back on his side. They've been pretty pissed at him recently, at least here in Seattle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Seems like Obama firing up his base, and finally realizing the people who'll hate this decision were never going to vote for him anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2011, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 23, 2011, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 23, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
NY has a higher standard of education.  :cookiem

Teachers have to get a Masters of Business Administration? Are you sure you don't mean a Masters of Education?

You can get it in anything. Getting an MBA was logical if she decides to stop teaching and work in administration. That door is open to her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2011, 01:16:12 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Thats's the point... we spend a huge magnitude more than any other country on education and the quality of it is getting worse! Clearly there is a problem that wont be solved by throwing MORE money at it.

And how is cutting money going to make it better?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 23, 2011, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
Obama, DOJ Say Part Of DOMA Is Unconstitutional, Will Not Defend It In Court
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/obama_doj_say_part_of_doma_is_unconstitutional_will_not_defend_it_in_court.php

never let a crisis go to waste, right Beardo?
it seems more like he's content to let other parts of the government do the dirty work of actually getting liberal shit done without muddying his hands too much and seeming like a too-pushy liberal (ala first term Clinton).
which is nuts because...
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Seems like Obama firing up his base, and finally realizing the people who'll hate this decision were never going to vote for him anyway.
I'd love for the pres to try to only appeal to progressives and moderates, but I do on some level understand his seeming reluctance to be a liberal shit-kicker.

FWIW I have no idea how to fix education, but busting up unions and slashing budgets doesn't seem like a good way to make anything better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 01:20:25 PM
I agree you can't simply throw money into the system, but cutting teacher's pay is not the solution either. The solution requires teacher involvement, higher standards, not "teaching to the test" etc. Honestly I think the system will never be fixed in urban schools, which is a shame because we're talking about hundreds of thousands of kids' futures being kneecapped at an early age. I just can't look at Detroit's situation for instance, where they're being ordered to close some 50 schools and mandate 60 student classrooms, and possibly imagine things getting better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 01:52:25 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Thats's the point... we spend a huge magnitude more than any other country on education

Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
and the quality of it is getting worse! Clearly there is a problem that wont be solved by throwing MORE money at it.

I'm pretty sure both of those statements aren't true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 23, 2011, 01:53:36 PM
I think he meant to say health care instead of education :teehee

seriously though, didn't a study come out not too long ago that showed our education has always been shit but has steadily been on the rise the last 50 or so years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 02:10:08 PM
Yeah, I think you're talking about this: http://www.brookings.edu/reports/2011/0207_education_loveless.aspx


Really, the idea that teachers unions are ruining public education is silly on its face.

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    Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows:

    South Carolina – 50th
    North Carolina – 49th
    Georgia – 48th
    Texas – 47th
    Virginia – 44th

    If you are wondering, Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining for teachers, is ranked 2nd in the country. Let’s keep it that way.

Maybe that's not the best metric, but if unions were really the overwhelming factor here, wouldn't those states be whupping up on everyone else in some measurable way?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 23, 2011, 02:11:13 PM
Jesus Christo.  Texas :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 23, 2011, 02:15:45 PM
That doesn't include benefits though, like all the hand-shaped construction-paper turkeys you want, thanks to free child labor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 23, 2011, 03:02:06 PM
I'm a school pyschologist, not a teacher, but I am part of the teacher's union. My big problem with the current structure is that it is basically impossible to get rid of bad teachers due to seniority. If you're not fired within your first two years in the profession, you're pretty much set for life as long as you don't hit a kid or sleep with them.

I'm on the same pay scale as teachers and make around $55,000 a year with a Master's degree and five years experience. I'd love to make more, but I can't really complain too much, what with great benefits, a pension, and summers off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on February 23, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
YOU'RE NOT HELPING  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2011, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 23, 2011, 03:02:06 PM
I'm a school pyschologist, not a teacher, but I am part of the teacher's union. My big problem with the current structure is that it is basically impossible to get rid of bad teachers due to seniority. If you're not fired within your first two years in the profession, you're pretty much set for life as long as you don't hit a kid or sleep with them.

I'm on the same pay scale as teachers and make around $55,000 a year with a Master's degree and five years experience. I'd love to make more, but I can't really complain too much, what with great benefits, a pension, and summers off.

:bow Socialism :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Seems like Obama firing up his base, and finally realizing the people who'll hate this decision were never going to vote for him anyway.

Prolly woulda helped if he did this before the election, eh?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2011, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 23, 2011, 11:18:41 AM
It's the bigger picture, Beardo. Busting a union has NOTHING to do with a budget and everything to do with killing off a large democratic donor.

So thats all Public unions are? A "large democratic doner."
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While I agree we should make the system more efficient, personally, I'd rather have my tax dollars go to teachers than to fucks that helped crash the economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 23, 2011, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 23, 2011, 11:18:41 AM
It's the bigger picture, Beardo. Busting a union has NOTHING to do with a budget and everything to do with killing off a large democratic donor.

So thats all Public unions are? A "large democratic doner."
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While I agree we should make the system more efficient, personally, I'd rather have my tax dollars go to teachers than to fucks that helped crash the economy.

If by that you mean African Americans who bought homes they couldn't afford, I agree
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2011, 04:07:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 23, 2011, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 11:29:39 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 23, 2011, 11:18:41 AM
It's the bigger picture, Beardo. Busting a union has NOTHING to do with a budget and everything to do with killing off a large democratic donor.

So thats all Public unions are? A "large democratic doner."
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Clearly worth every tax payer dollar.
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While I agree we should make the system more efficient, personally, I'd rather have my tax dollars go to teachers than to fucks that helped crash the economy.

If by that you mean African Americans who bought homes they couldn't afford, I agree

Who else could I be referring to? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 23, 2011, 05:57:55 PM
can we just round up every kook who treats the constitution as an irreversible NEOBIBLE and just shoot them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2011, 07:57:59 PM
Sheeple mobbing up and going after f'n schoolteachers as the reason why things are in the shitter has me convinced that we're forever fucked. It's erased any semblance of optimism I had about this POS country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 23, 2011, 10:41:01 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on February 23, 2011, 07:57:59 PM
Sheeple mobbing up and going after f'n schoolteachers as the reason why things are in the shitter has me convinced that we're forever fucked. It's erased any semblance of optimism I had about this POS country.
I'm really confused as to why there are so many republicans?  Not that there's an overwhelming majority of them in America, but why are there as many as they are.

They've become a party of naked corporate interest and are against every sort of social change.  They're against the...
-schoolaged persons
-college students
-immigrants
-children of immigrants
-poor and middle class
-non white persons
-intellectuals
-rights of women
-rights of anybody who doesn't want to get shot
-gay and transgendered people

who else does leave besides dumb and willfully ignorant honkeys, who are by and large the tea party/conservative movement?  They just get so much done because they're the most vocal of all groups and the most easily manipulated/exploited for votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2011, 12:42:37 AM
Quote from: Beardo on February 23, 2011, 12:17:41 PM
Meh, that wasn't too bad.


Politics and sausage making blah blah blah.

???

[proof that Walker believes this is the first part of a multi-pronged plan to cripple unions nationally]

Beardo:  JUST SOME LAWS BEING MADE, DOOP A DOOP

Jesus, you really are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, aren't you?

Also, too:

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/new-democrat.jpg)

Republicans fucked up this time.  There's too many middle class white people still in unions to properly demonize them with the REAL MURKIN crowd.  It doesn't work as well when you start picking on emts, teachers, cops and firefighters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2011, 02:16:08 AM
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First, it's remarkable Ian Murphy, pretending to be Koch, even got through. He talked to Walker's chief of staff, Keith Gilkes, and said he couldn't leave a return number because, "My goddamn maid, Maria, put my phone in the washer. I'd have her deported, but she works for next to nothing." This, oddly enough, led Gilkes to invite "Koch" to call back and speak directly to the governor.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 24, 2011, 02:20:29 AM
Somebody should call Walker's office again tomorrow, but disguised as Charles Koch this time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2011, 02:42:06 AM
It was so obvious the conservative response would be "bubububu Soros/Andy Stern/etc visits Obama all the time!" Yea and all those visits are in the WH log. The fact that Koch has such command over Walker is troubling. He basically sounds like a dog trying to impress its owner
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 24, 2011, 10:21:15 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3877174,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3877174,00.html)
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Gaddafi: Barakeh Obama is friend

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi considers the US president a blessing to the Muslim world. In a speech published in London-based al-Hayat newspaper on Saturday, Gaddafi praised Barack Obama, called him a "friend" and said there is no longer any dispute between his country and the US.
 
Speaking in the Libyan city of Sirt at an event marking the 24th anniversary of an American attack on Libya, he said, "At the time, we were the target of the American cannon, the American navy challenged us in the gulf of Sirt and attacked us all along Libya's shores. America tested Libya, and the Libyan people resisted the large country, but today, thank God, the difference is great."

He said, "Now, ruling America is a black man from our continent, an African from Arab descent, from Muslim descent, and this is something we never imagined – that from Reagan we would get to Barakeh Obama."
 
Gaddafi stressed that Obama's presidency is "a major historical gain" and said, "He is someone I consider a friend. He knows he is a son of Africa. Regardless of his African belonging, he is of Arab Sudanese descent, or of Muslim descent. He is a man whose policy should be supported, and he should be assisted in implementing it in any way possible, since he is now leaning towards peace."
 
He continued, "I urge all peoples to give him this chance and to support this policy, because America is a country that, when its policy is bad – harms the world, and when it is good – it helps the world."
 
The Libyan leader also expressed hopes that, "the dream that Obama has for a world free of nuclear weapons will come true. This is something that no previous American president has proposed. Obama is a man who opposes wars that previous American presidents were entangled in; he has declared that he will withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq – something which has never been proposed before."
 
Despite the warm sentiments towards the American leader, he stressed, "The Arabs hate America, there is no doubt. There is not an Arab that loves America, and even the leaders who the United States considers allies or friends – hate it. The external love is merely hypocrisy or pragmatism. The reason for this is clear – Palestine."

In this context he said, "The Palestinians today are like the Jews of the past – dispersed in exile and persecuted. Now the Palestinians are at a point where they deserve to have the United States on their side and not on the side of the Israelis."
 
He reiterated his demand to allow the millions of Palestinian refugees around the world to return to the land where, according to his vision, a nuke-free democratic state by the name of Isratine should be established.



So who do you think will win the Democrat nomination next election?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2011, 10:22:52 AM
"Barack Obama is my friend, man! Honest! Like, my best friend! Don't bomb me please."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 24, 2011, 10:29:24 AM
Real Talk:
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Jimmy Carter 2.0
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2011, 10:30:21 AM
Wasn't it proven ages ago that Gaddafi is completely insane?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2011, 10:31:28 AM
I know this question gets asked about every second page, but really, Beardo, are you this fucking distinguished mentally-challenged?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on February 24, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2011, 10:30:21 AM
Wasn't it proven ages ago that Gaddafi is completely insane?

You're not making a very good argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2011, 10:38:57 AM
[youtube=560,345]pCbmfAdo8G8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2011, 12:22:10 PM
He also called Obama his son. Should we believe that too, Beardo? Also I would have thought the Carter comparisons would go out the window after Obama passed more major legislation than any president since LBJ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on February 24, 2011, 01:01:49 PM
obama is reagan 2.0

which is not a compliment
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 24, 2011, 01:06:09 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2011, 10:30:21 AM
Wasn't it proven ages ago that Gaddafi is completely insane?

This is the same guy who tried to pitch a tent and camp in the middle of NYC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2011, 01:34:59 PM
As long as we're scoring dumb partisan points rather than saying anything halfway smart about current events (ie Beardo is posting), let's remember that the thawing of relations with Qaddafi's Libya was meant to be one of the big successes of the Bush administration, and a direct effect of the awesome Iraq war.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 24, 2011, 02:26:09 PM
The local right wing radio guys here in Seattle pretty much just said that Gadhafi is nuts and it doesn't mean a thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2011, 02:27:45 PM
Even the radical righties are sensible in Seattle? damn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on February 24, 2011, 02:32:45 PM
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Minuteman Vigilante Shawna Forde Sentenced to Death

The anti-immigration activist who was convicted last week of first-degree murder for her involvement in the May 2009 murders of nine-year-old Brisenia Flores and her father Raul, has been sentenced with the death penalty.

CNN reports that the jury’s unanimous decision is binding:
 
"If the jury had not voted for the death penalty, the judge would have decided whether Shawna Forde should have received life with a chance of parole after 35 years or life with no possibility of parole.
Forde was convicted February 14 on eight counts, including two counts of murder for the shooting deaths of Raul Flores and his daughter, Brisenia, and the attempted murder of the child’s mother, Gina Gonzales."

On May 20, 2009, Forde and two alleged accomplices stormed the Flores’ home in Arivaca, Arizona. Two men killed Raul Flores Jr. and shot his wife and Brisenia’s mother Gina Gonzalez before shooting the 9-year-old girl point-blank. Gonzalez testified during the trial that she could hear her daughter, roused from her sleep in the living room where she was camped out so she could be close to the family’s new dog, ask why her parents had been killed, then silence as the shooter stopped to reload a gun, and finally two shots that went through the little girl’s head.

Forde reportedly planned elaborate heists of suspected drug dealers as a way to fund her anti-immigrant activism and her splinter group, The Minuteman American Defense. Nothing besides pot residue was found in the Flores home, according to Terry Greene Sterling. MAD was inspired by the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, and both groups recruited civilians to patrol the border for migrants attempting to enter the country. Forde was found with Gonzalez’s wedding ring.

During the trial and sentencing phase, Forde’s defense was very disciplined about crafting a portrait of an unstable woman, a big talker with little follow-through. The prosecution argued she could have been both a braggart and a murderer. After Forde was convicted, she reportedly called a press conference. Forde’s defense asked psychologist Dr. Judith Becker how Forde’s actions, including the fact that she called for a press conference, should be interpreted.

“That does not surprise me,” Becker testified, the Green Valley News and Sun reported. “It shows poor judgment.”

Such information is crucial for shaping a jury’s understanding of a person’s health and frame of mind. It’s also a useful way to help anti-immigrant groups like Federation for American Immigration Reform, which have since tried to distance themselves from Forde, further disassociate themselves from one of their former members. Anti-immigrant groups may not want anything to do with Forde these days, but she certainly thought of herself as one of them.

Much of the chatter on the lefty blogs and immigrant rights networks in the weeks of the trial has been dominated by bitter confusion about the lack of media coverage the case got. As Gabe wrote last week, the tragic deaths of two 9-year-old Arizona girls received very different public responses. It may be that the country is not interested in the scary lessons that Brisenia Flores’ murder offers about the real life consequences of the national discourse surrounding immigrants.

i think this falls solidly in the "glad that she's gonna die" catagory.  good fucking riddance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 24, 2011, 02:41:54 PM
There are a bunch of people who see her as a martyr.  Yeesh.  I even overheard a convo here at work the other day about her and let's just say it made me ashamed of humanity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 24, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2011, 02:27:45 PM
Even the radical righties are sensible in Seattle? damn

They tow the party line, but even they know when a crazy dictator is a crazy dictator.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2011, 02:57:08 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on February 24, 2011, 02:41:54 PM
There are a bunch of people who see her as a martyr.  Yeesh.  I even overheard a convo here at work the other day about her and let's just say it made me ashamed of humanity.

A martyr?  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 24, 2011, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on February 24, 2011, 02:32:45 PM
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Minuteman Vigilante Shawna Forde Sentenced to Death

The anti-immigration activist who was convicted last week of first-degree murder for her involvement in the May 2009 murders of nine-year-old Brisenia Flores and her father Raul, has been sentenced with the death penalty.

CNN reports that the jury’s unanimous decision is binding:
 
"If the jury had not voted for the death penalty, the judge would have decided whether Shawna Forde should have received life with a chance of parole after 35 years or life with no possibility of parole.
Forde was convicted February 14 on eight counts, including two counts of murder for the shooting deaths of Raul Flores and his daughter, Brisenia, and the attempted murder of the child’s mother, Gina Gonzales."

On May 20, 2009, Forde and two alleged accomplices stormed the Flores’ home in Arivaca, Arizona. Two men killed Raul Flores Jr. and shot his wife and Brisenia’s mother Gina Gonzalez before shooting the 9-year-old girl point-blank. Gonzalez testified during the trial that she could hear her daughter, roused from her sleep in the living room where she was camped out so she could be close to the family’s new dog, ask why her parents had been killed, then silence as the shooter stopped to reload a gun, and finally two shots that went through the little girl’s head.

Forde reportedly planned elaborate heists of suspected drug dealers as a way to fund her anti-immigrant activism and her splinter group, The Minuteman American Defense. Nothing besides pot residue was found in the Flores home, according to Terry Greene Sterling. MAD was inspired by the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, and both groups recruited civilians to patrol the border for migrants attempting to enter the country. Forde was found with Gonzalez’s wedding ring.

During the trial and sentencing phase, Forde’s defense was very disciplined about crafting a portrait of an unstable woman, a big talker with little follow-through. The prosecution argued she could have been both a braggart and a murderer. After Forde was convicted, she reportedly called a press conference. Forde’s defense asked psychologist Dr. Judith Becker how Forde’s actions, including the fact that she called for a press conference, should be interpreted.

“That does not surprise me,” Becker testified, the Green Valley News and Sun reported. “It shows poor judgment.”

Such information is crucial for shaping a jury’s understanding of a person’s health and frame of mind. It’s also a useful way to help anti-immigrant groups like Federation for American Immigration Reform, which have since tried to distance themselves from Forde, further disassociate themselves from one of their former members. Anti-immigrant groups may not want anything to do with Forde these days, but she certainly thought of herself as one of them.

Much of the chatter on the lefty blogs and immigrant rights networks in the weeks of the trial has been dominated by bitter confusion about the lack of media coverage the case got. As Gabe wrote last week, the tragic deaths of two 9-year-old Arizona girls received very different public responses. It may be that the country is not interested in the scary lessons that Brisenia Flores’ murder offers about the real life consequences of the national discourse surrounding immigrants.

i think this falls solidly in the "glad that she's gonna die" catagory.  good fucking riddance

May she burn in hell.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2011, 10:15:18 PM
Hell is too good for her, and fictional besides.  May she spend eternity at a Mexican food market.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 25, 2011, 12:05:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/mlsXe.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 02:55:42 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/02/moore_on_wealthy_peoples_money_thats_not_theirs_thats_a_national_resource_its_ours.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/03/02/moore_on_wealthy_peoples_money_thats_not_theirs_thats_a_national_resource_its_ours.html)
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"They're sitting on the money, they're using it for their own -- they're putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We've allowed them to take that. That's not theirs, that's a national resource, that's ours. We all have this -- we all benefit from this or we all suffer as a result of not having it," Michael Moore told Laura Flanders of GRITtv.

"I think we need to go back to taxing these people at the proper rates. They need to -- we need to see these jobs as something we some, that we collectively own as Americans and you can't just steal our jobs and take them someplace else," Moore concluded.


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Not your money sir.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on March 02, 2011, 03:05:35 PM
Not that I'm a Michael Moore advocate, because I am most certainly not, but I think the point he is trying to make is that the rich keep getting richer while the poor keep getting poorer.  A fact well known to all people of this world.  What he's also saying is that the wealthy should have a higher taxes and stop outsourcing American jobs to third-world countries. 

I don't think he wants them to give him their money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 03:23:23 PM
I really don't like one bit the current thinking that we can't tax rich people more because "Well, then they'll stop creating more jobs or, like, fire a whole bunch of people and then we'll be worse off" as if we ought bend over backwards to placate billionaires out of fear of economic retaliation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 03:27:25 PM
americans worship the wealthy. they are our godhead; our avatars of success. you don't diminish god with your heresy.

on the other hand, filthy poors are PROOF of the morality of our system. they are the punished, and when they lack penitence, they must be LEARN'T BUT GOOD.

that's the job the middle class has taken upon itself: sociocultural hierophancy, fat little epopts of the monied gods, who vocally and obstreperously petition for an unlikely ascension into heaven through fawning and parroting a destructive dogma. the wealthy don't care, and perhaps even hate their willing priests, because to them, there is no difference between a priest and a pauper save that the priest expects favors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2011, 03:38:31 PM
$50k/year teachers are leeching off too much money from the rest of us and need to be crushed, while billionaires deserve what they have fairly gotten.

lolwut?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 03:44:33 PM
i'm starting to think it isn't so much about the idea that the wealthy DESERVE their wealth, but that americans believe their economic salvation LIES with these crony capitalist aristocrats, and deserving or no, they only way we will get anything is to LEAVE THESE CAPTAINS ALONE and let them share their wealth with us -- that access to the annals of wealth is obtained through fealty and obeisance to the preferred credo of the 2% pantheon. the american middle class has been beaten into whimpering submission by the alphas, and now begs kindly for a dram or two, if that wouldn't put anyone out, and really who ARE these other people daring to demand from YOU, the GIVERS, now could you in your glorious wisdom and embodiment of american ideals deign to employ us?

teachers? what are teachers? they teach the wrong things, and make our kids into secular heretics who will not adopt the tribal dogma we need to SURVIVE as a cohesive whole. the world is dangerous and we must circle our wagons and push out the outsiders and the leeches and PRAY TO OUR GODS FOR SALVATION

basically, we're goin' medieval on ourselves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:49:10 PM
The idea that rich people's money is a "national resource" and a community commodity is pretty shocking. But, I'm guessing nobody here agrees.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 03:51:15 PM
what do YOU think it is, beardo?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
It's also funny to hear Moore talk about Rich people as  "Them" and "they."

I guess multi-millionaire is the new working class.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 03:51:57 PM
No.  It's idea that their wealth is built on the backs of others and to a certain extent should be distributed to better everyone and in turn keep the cycle going that keeps their fatasses rich.

And the reason why so many Americans believe rich people are untouchable is that we're raised to believe that if we work hard enough that will be us and when we're there we don't want someone taking it from us because by god, if you're not there you just didn't work hard enough for it.  
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 03:56:17 PM
Rich people deserve to be allowed to be rich, but when we're having to contemplate slashing teacher salaries and fire them en mass, maybe, just maybe, we ought to consider letting the people with the fattest wallets and the greatest ability to spend considerably more without harming their ability to provide basic care for themselves and their family cough up a little bit extra to help the cause.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 03:56:44 PM
personally, all money is just a representation of an explicitly or implicitly negotiated transaction between two or more parties. it is a manifestation of a social behavior and cannot exist without a community or society. it has only extrinisic value, the parameters of which are determined by a society's participants. as such, it is a piece of the social consciousness made manifest for purposes of common contract and exchange.

does that make it a "national resource"? i have no fucking idea what a "national resource" *is*. is it a commodity? anything that can be bought and sold is a commodity, and contracts in ANY form -- even paper, even digital, even handshakes -- can be bought and sold. does it belong to a community? it EXISTS at the whim of a community.

what is money supposed to be otherwise -- especially "rich people's money"?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 03:57:31 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!

did we negotiate a contract for you to do that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 03:51:57 PM
No.  It's idea that their wealth is built on the backs of others and to a certain extent should be distributed to better everyone and in turn keep the cycle going that keeps their fatasses rich.

And the reason why so many Americans believe rich people are untouchable is that we're raised to believe that if we work hard enough that will be us and when we're there we don't want someone taking it from us because by god, if you're not there you just didn't work hard enough for it.  

it's worse than that. the fear is that if money becomes devalued as the validator of success, our society will fall apart and the hippies will gay rape all of our pets while we are forced to sing folk music and wear beads.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
Ffffuuuu

I just remembered that "private property is a foreign concept to you fegs.


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did we negotiate a contract for you to do that?
Meh I just take what I want whenever I need it. It's the only way to be fair really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
you can't be this hard headed.  You really can't.  no one is advocating pillaging their bank accounts.  what's said is that when shit hits the fan, rich people, who can afford the cost much easier than the average person, should be forced to sacrifice some in order to keep the system that allows their lifestyle stable.  Deciding now is not the best time to buy that extra yacht is not the same thing as deciding that now is not the best time to take my child to the doctor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
you can't be this hard headed.  You really can't.  no one is advocating pillaging their bank accounts.  what's said is that when shit hits the fan, rich people, who can afford the cost much easier than the average person, should be forced to sacrifice some in order to keep the system that allows their lifestyle stable.  Deciding now is not the best time to buy that extra yacht is not the same thing as deciding that now is not the best time to take my child to the doctor.

How are you gonna enforce this sacrifice?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
you can't be this hard headed.  You really can't.  no one is advocating pillaging their bank accounts.  what's said is that when shit hits the fan, rich people, who can afford the cost much easier than the average person, should be forced to sacrifice some in order to keep the system that allows their lifestyle stable.  Deciding now is not the best time to buy that extra yacht is not the same thing as deciding that now is not the best time to take my child to the doctor.

How are you gonna enforce this sacrifice?

Taxes?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
Ffffuuuu

I just remembered that "private property is a foreign concept to you distinguished effete fellows.


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did we negotiate a contract for you to do that?
Meh I just take what I want whenever I need it. It's the only way to be fair really.


private property is a social contract. i agree to stay outta your shit if you agree to stay out of mine. (legal disputes that arise when we can't agree on who owns what notwithstanding.) we supersede that in specific instances through separate, localized contracts between individuals. if society by and large says FUCK YOU to the idea of private property, then it is as if PRIVATE PROPERTY NEVER EXISTED.

same thing for money. we as a society agree that it should have representational value. if we decide that the notion of currency is antiquated and that all exchanges and transaction must be represented as interpretative dance installations, then MONEY DOESN'T EXIST FOR US.

rich people are rich because society thinks that it is okay to consolidate power and influence through currency. it can, quite easily, think it is less and less okay if the abuses become too egregious. if we wish to maintain a stable status quo -- to avoid swift and transformative changes in society -- we must REGULATE it, and that means tweaking a few valves and running some of that currency, influence, and power from areas of inordinately high concentration to those areas starkly deprived of it. taxes are the easiest way to do it. revolutions happen to be more exciting, though.

socialism has failed for the same reason -- power and influence, through bureaucracy and hierarchy rather than currency -- stifled too many people for too long, and out came the forces of balance with their pitchforks and torches. perhaps if the erstwhile trotskyites had agreed to share their power a little broader and with a little less force de rigeur, they woulda survived and even thrived. perhaps we will get the chance to say the same about democratic capitalists. let's find out!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
you can't be this hard headed.  You really can't.  no one is advocating pillaging their bank accounts.  what's said is that when shit hits the fan, rich people, who can afford the cost much easier than the average person, should be forced to sacrifice some in order to keep the system that allows their lifestyle stable.  Deciding now is not the best time to buy that extra yacht is not the same thing as deciding that now is not the best time to take my child to the doctor.

How are you gonna enforce this sacrifice?

Taxes?

And if they choose not to pay?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
you can't be this hard headed.  You really can't.  no one is advocating pillaging their bank accounts.  what's said is that when shit hits the fan, rich people, who can afford the cost much easier than the average person, should be forced to sacrifice some in order to keep the system that allows their lifestyle stable.  Deciding now is not the best time to buy that extra yacht is not the same thing as deciding that now is not the best time to take my child to the doctor.

How are you gonna enforce this sacrifice?

Taxes?

And if they choose not to pay?

What happens when YOU don't pay YOUR taxes?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
Rich people are rich because other people dont steal their money!!!  :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:06:37 PM

What happens when YOU don't pay YOUR taxes?

I would go to jail (or some equivalent). So you advocate the use of force to take something that is not yours. So yeah private property IS a foreign concept to you fegs.

Or as triumph put it. You just have to imagine it not existing and it wont!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
Rich people are rich because other people dont steal their money!!!  :lol :lol :lol



what?  this reminds me of talking to one of those chat bots that just randomly busts out with irrelevant statements when it doesn't understand what you're saying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:10:18 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:06:37 PM

What happens when YOU don't pay YOUR taxes?

I would go to jail (or some equivalent). So you advocate the use of force to take something that is not yours. So yeah private property IS a foreign concept to you distinguished effete fellows.

Or as triumph put it. You just have to imagine it not existing and it wont!!

Do you have a functioning brain in your head at all? Because there's no way there could be, maybe just a shriveled plum or something.

"Wait, guys, we can't raise taxes on the rich because they wouldn't pay! Then we'd have to take their money BY FORCE and that would mean that we don't respect private property which is WROOOONNG. Rich people should only pay as much as they want to pay and not a penny more!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
well, he ain't wrong. rich people ARE rich because people don't "steal" their money. i mean, that's logically true inasmuch as it is likewise a weird non sequitur.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 02, 2011, 04:14:28 PM
hey beardo, what happens when more and more people like us start sprouting up in a society, believing -- for the purposes of argumentation -- that "private property doesn't exist"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:09:03 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:06:37 PM

What happens when YOU don't pay YOUR taxes?

I would go to jail (or some equivalent). So you advocate the use of force to take something that is not yours. So yeah private property IS a foreign concept to you distinguished effete fellows.

Or as triumph put it. You just have to imagine it not existing and it wont!!


At first glance, there appears to be much wrongness in this, but just to give you the benefit of the doubt, you're not suggesting that NO taxes should be paid whatsoever, are you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 02, 2011, 07:44:10 PM
Beardo is just a contrarian poor troll who will disappear once backed into a corner.

Also, yeah, I think the real reason is that most people think they will be millionaires in their lifetime.  There was some survey that asked college students if they believed they were going to make more than $75,000 a year by the time they are 30 and the majority said yes.  Most people think they are ballers or ballers-in-waiting who are just waiting for that break.  Taking taxes is just playa hatin' y0!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2011, 08:11:35 PM
I was reading one of Paul Krugman's books a while ago, and given that we're living in an era where the poorest dirt farmers are willing to go bat for the rich and protect them from being taxed even a cent more, I really wondered how the fuck we had marginal tax rates of 70- 90% for most of the previous century. Like with most things, we have to thank Reagan. According to Krugman, CEOs generally weren't really trusted by the public after the great depression. We all know that Reagan came in and slashed taxes for the rich, but what he also did was help promote the image of the amazing, hard working, sexy CEO, the type of person that everyone would want to be like. Also teaching how wrong it would be that these hard working people should be taxed after putting in all that amazing American blood, sweat and tears. Thus if you tax the rich, you're punishing them for being successful, and imagine if YOU were that person, wouldn't you be ANGRY if the gubment came in and STOLE your money and gave it to some BLACK GUY OR ILLEGAL?! :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:49:10 PM
The idea that rich people's money is a "national resource" and a community commodity is pretty shocking. But, I'm guessing nobody here agrees.

I'm sure Lloyd Blankfein earned all that money.  Joe Casssanno as well.  All of the Wall St. hierarchy did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2011, 10:32:11 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2011, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 02, 2011, 04:01:43 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 02, 2011, 03:57:01 PM
Since none of you guys think money is private property, you wont mind if I just take a little bit from your bank accounts do you?

Thanks guys!
you can't be this hard headed.  You really can't.  no one is advocating pillaging their bank accounts.  what's said is that when shit hits the fan, rich people, who can afford the cost much easier than the average person, should be forced to sacrifice some in order to keep the system that allows their lifestyle stable.  Deciding now is not the best time to buy that extra yacht is not the same thing as deciding that now is not the best time to take my child to the doctor.

How are you gonna enforce this sacrifice?

Taxes?

And if they choose not to pay?

Nail one of them to the ticker on the NYSE with their balls in their mouth.  I think that would be an instructive message.  If that doesn't motivate them, perhaps killing every family member while they watch might.  I'm just spitballing ideas here.  Honestly though, these people are true sociopaths so we're likely going to have to kill them and take the money; it's the only thing they'll understand.  Which honestly I'm more than fine with.
Title: He's not a conservative. He's an anarchist.
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2011, 12:12:03 AM
Oh man.  I leave for a few hours, and Beardo winds up advocating for fucking tax protesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_%28United_States%29)?

Dude, please take a moment and think through what you're saying.  Really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 03, 2011, 04:20:27 AM
I'm really glad I wasn't around for this :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 03, 2011, 05:21:51 AM
(http://s3.credoaction.com.s3.amazonaws.com/comics/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TMW2011-03-02colorlowres.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 03, 2011, 05:52:04 AM
I thought it funniest that Beardo was sorta arguing for a new paradigm in which a modern society can exist without people collectively being taxed, but was actually only reptilian brained repeating TAXES R BAD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2011, 10:38:08 AM
That model is working great in Somalia. They aren't pirates. Just entrepreneurs working without the saddle of government on their backs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 03, 2011, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 03, 2011, 10:38:08 AM
That model is working great in Somalia. They aren't pirates. Just entrepreneurs working without the saddle of government on their backs.

I was listening to NPR this morning while driving into work, and they were actually talking about a Pirate Stock Exchange in Somalia. My mind was blown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 03, 2011, 11:14:34 AM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014368284_nascararmy02.html

Quote
Minnesota Dem wants NASCAR out of Defense budget

WASHINGTON — The Minnesota Democrat who's out to get rid of the Pentagon's sponsorships for NASCAR teams says she won't back away from her efforts and, despite GOP resistance, will broaden her fight to repeal tax breaks for track owners, too.

Rep. Betty McCollum says her work could save U.S. taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. But Defense Department officials and lawmakers from NASCAR country say that the sponsorships help military recruitment and that the tax breaks could save jobs in the struggling economy.

In an interview, McCollum said it doesn't make sense to keep the benefits for NASCAR teams and track owners when other cuts are being made to community health care, programs for homeless veterans and Head Start.

"I started to look at what is in this large defense budget to see what's not related to security that we could redirect to critical supplies or mission support," she said. "Or in the case of racetrack owners, what are some of the special tax perks that some of the special interests are getting?"

She plans to file legislation to prohibit Pentagon sponsorships of dragsters, Indy cars, stock cars and motorcycle racing, affecting just about every level of motorsports.

"We should take a critical eye and a critical look and say, 'Is this an appropriate role for the government?' " McCollum said.

McCollum filed an amendment this month to prohibit the Defense Department from spending money to sponsor NASCAR teams, saying it's a poor use of money given the other cuts the House was making. The amendment came as the House, led by Republicans, spent days wrestling with $60 billion in cuts to the current fiscal year's budget.

In the days before the vote, her office logged angry calls from across NASCAR country. "There were some people that were very upset," McCollum said.

She also received a threatening and racist fax, which received widespread media attention and is being investigated by the U.S. Capitol Police. But her chief of staff said the office also received a lot of calls from tea-party supporters who backed McCollum's amendment.

Her amendment failed, 281-148.

Racetrack owners received tax breaks worth $45 million in 2010 and 2011, aimed at helping them make improvements to their facilities. A two-year extension of the program was included in the tax cuts compromise that President Obama forged with Congress in December.

McCollum said she'll file legislation to repeal the tax benefit. "It's an earmark," she said.

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North Carolina Republican Rep. Patrick McHenry disagrees. His Charlotte-area district is home to half the NASCAR teams. His Twitter avatar recently was the No. 3 logo in memory of legendary driver Dale Earnhardt, who was killed in a crash at the Daytona 500 in 2001.

McCollum insisted that she has nothing against NASCAR.

"This isn't about NASCAR," McCollum said. "I've watched the Indy 500, the Daytona 500. I have friends who are avid fans. ... This is about making tough choices."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
If you are in the tea party and don't agree with her, you aren't a teabagger.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 03, 2011, 11:54:08 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NutFkykjmbM[/youtube]

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2011, 11:58:14 AM
elected republican officials. seriously
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 03, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
Quote from: Orange County Registar[/quote
the group started in Southern California about eight months ago and is trying to raise $350,000 to start social programs such as women's shelters, fighting hunger and homelessness in the area. (http://www.ocregister.com/news/america-288163-fundraiser-wahhaj.html)
but to be fair to all of those horrible, horrible crackers who like to shout at children...
Quote from: [Orange Country Registar
Many in the crowd outside the event said they were concerned about past anti-American statements by the event's two keynote speakers, Imam Siraj Wahhaj and Amir Abdel Malik Ali. Wahhaj is an imam at a mosque in Brooklyn. A U.S. attorney named him and 169 others as co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Wahhaj was never charged and has denied involvement.

Malik Ali is a Bay Area Islamic activist who spoke at "Israeli Apartheid Week" at UC Irvine in 2010. There he said he supports Hezbollah, which the CIA labels a terrorist group.
I would guess that some local demagogue made a big stink about the terrorists coming to town (http://www.nocconservatives.org/?p=1331) under the guise of peaceful charity and manufactured the outrage that is so readily apparent.  Reportedly the protest crowd may have outnumbered the attendees, I'm glad the anger there didn't become physically dangerous, but it looks like it very well could have.

In a nutshell, I'd say this kind of thing is the obvious consequence of our really crappy media we have today.  People are only too eager to stoke the flames of hate and feed the ignorance of their audience (http://sharpiron.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/glenn-beck-warns-of-the-coming-muslim-anti-christ/), so it shouldn't surpise people when too many actually take them seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on March 03, 2011, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 03, 2011, 11:54:08 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NutFkykjmbM[/youtube]

:fbm

I second that.  That just makes me really sad.  It also terrifies me because that is the leading party in my area.  I would hate (and shudder at the thought) that people all around me think the same way.  God damn Fox News and the GOP and all their stupid bullshit followers and supporters*.

[Edit] *People who fall in line with that kind of thinking.  Honestly, if they don't want their kids going to schools where acceptance of other cultures is taught, then they should send them to a private school.  Practically every area has one.  They could even home-school their children.  Also, when did being a Muslim automatically make somebody a terrorist?  I don't remember reading that anywhere in the Bible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 04, 2011, 09:37:59 AM
It's not just muslims. Anyone who is not a white conservative isn't a real American to these morons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2011, 01:17:52 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/opinion/04fri4.html?_r=1

Oh good, the House GOP wants to decimate federal funding for Poison Control centers, since that $27 million is totally blowing a hole in the budget.  Thumbs up, guys!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Personal responsibility, if you swallow some poison why should I have to pay for it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 04, 2011, 02:06:37 PM
hey mandark, if 27 million dollars isn't that much then the agency can go without it :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
I just had the most distinguished mentally-challenged political conversation with my idiot conservative friends yesterday. Things get really heated usually, but this instance was different in the sense that they said that (just to name one example) they all agreed that something like Obama being a citizen or a non-socialist is a 'belief', and no matter how much 'proof' is provided to the contrary, that it's still just an 'opinion'.  :fbm

Normally my irritation dissipates the following morning, but I'm still annoyed as fuck. I don't claim to have all the answers on things like abortion or what have you, but at the very fucking least, all semi-sentient people should be able to agree on shit like 2+2 = 4. Seriously, it was far worse than arguing with Beardo. At least with him you can actually respond.

Scuse me while I go find some concrete.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 04, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
let that be a lesson to you: conservatives are only good to laugh at, never to have as friends
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2011, 01:31:13 AM
From a radio interview:

Quote
HUCKABEE: I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the Brits --

MALZBERG: Of Winston Churchill.

HUCKABEE: The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.

:spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 05, 2011, 01:45:46 AM
Indonesia...Kenya...they're both America-hating Muslim nations, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2011, 01:51:22 AM
"Obama is black"
"No he's not, he's half white"

"Obama was raised by his mother and grandparents"
"No he was raised by his Kenyan father and grandfather"

"Obama is Christian"
"No his father was Muslim, meaning he was born a Muslim"

"Obama is not a Muslim"
"No but only because he is atheist like his mother and father"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 05, 2011, 07:57:27 AM
how dare he see the british as imperialists!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 05, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 05, 2011, 07:57:27 AM
how dare he see the British Empire as imperialists!!

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2011, 10:51:16 AM
Man, how dare AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT hate on the British.

(http://www.visitingdc.com/images/george-washington-picture.jpg)

WAIT SHIT WHAT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 05, 2011, 06:45:19 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 04, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
let that be a lesson to you: conservatives are only good to laugh at, never to have as friends

My coworker is a Tea Partier, he fixes my broken CSS layouts for me and for that I will forgive him any and all sociopolitical infelicities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2011, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2011, 01:31:13 AM
From a radio interview:

Quote
HUCKABEE: I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the Brits --

MALZBERG: Of Winston Churchill.

HUCKABEE: The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.



:spin

Still repeating this bullshit?

The bust was on loan to the WH and the amount of time it was on loan for expired. Case closed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2011, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 05, 2011, 07:22:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2011, 01:31:13 AM
From a radio interview:

Quote
HUCKABEE: I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the Brits --

MALZBERG: Of Winston Churchill.

HUCKABEE: The bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.



:spin

Still repeating this bullshit?

The bust was on loan to the WH and the amount of time it was on loan for expired. Case closed.

Why oh why does Barack Hussein Ostalin lament that Hitler didn't win WWII?  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2011, 09:38:58 PM
I thought conservatives would cheer a US president insulting Europeans  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2011, 09:42:39 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 05, 2011, 10:51:16 AM
Man, how dare AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT hate on the British.

http://www.visitingdc.com/images/george-washington-picture.jpg

WAIT SHIT WHAT

Apparently Huckabee's leading the GOP's Federalist wing, which is going to push for a new Alien and Sedition Act, and accuse anti-British Dems like Obama of being Jacobins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2011, 10:19:12 PM
I need a new Republican Talking Points Scorecard.

This one is full and looks like a demented game of snakes and ladders.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2011, 10:45:15 PM
Military commissions reinstated at Gitmo.

Super disappointing.  Not surprised, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2011, 12:01:05 AM
Disappointing but more of an issue of congress obstructing progress than Obama backtracking. With congress refusing to support alternatives to Gitmo, trials or indefinite detentions were the only options.

edit: maybe not http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/03/08/guantanamo/index.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 08, 2011, 02:12:32 PM
backtracking and placating to right wing tards.  He's on a fucking roll with his base.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 08, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 08, 2011, 02:12:32 PM
backtracking and placating to right wing tards.  He's on a fucking roll with his base.

The cult set will come up with a snarky response to any complaints about this.  Then people will forget about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2011, 02:22:32 PM
My dad is friends with a huge Obama supporter/OFA member. I see him every few weeks and he tries to get me to join OFA for 2012, and I try my hardest to come up with a nice "no thanks" each time. I don't see how any true blue OFA member could possibly be as fired up as they were in 08, yet this guy and others are.

I'm going to vote for Obama obviously, and whenever I hear him getting attacked I can't help but jump in and offer some defense - half assed or otherwise. But the fact remains a lot of his presidency has been pretty damn disappointing. I realize he can't do much right now, but given the advantages he had from 09-10 I would have liked more
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 08, 2011, 02:28:15 PM
I understand why he couldn't do certain things and the atmosphere he worked/works in.  But man, have some fucking balls.  He gave in on most shit without a fight.  He was willing to compromise, and by compromise I mean give the right everything they want before he even started anything. 

I always end up defending him in conversations as well but that's mostly because of the distinguished mentally-challenged amount of disinformation and half truths I hear people spouting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2011, 02:33:40 PM
Some alternate system was always going to be set up, because the way most of the prisoners were captured/interrogated/tortured would get all the evidence against them thrown out of a civilian court and no other countries would take them off our hands.  There's no president who would release a terrorist suspect under those circumstances.

I hoped that at least by closing Guantanamo, there would be a somewhat clear precedent set that the warrantless capture, torture, and indefinite imprisonment would stop being official US policy going forward, even if they were stuck with the current detainees.  Then again, the fact that this happened to begin with shows that lack of precedent probably won't stop anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2011, 02:51:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2011, 02:22:32 PM
My dad is friends with a huge Obama supporter/OFA member. I see him every few weeks and he tries to get me to join OFA for 2012, and I try my hardest to come up with a nice "no thanks" each time. I don't see how any true blue OFA member could possibly be as fired up as they were in 08, yet this guy and others are.

Probably not, but I imagine once the campaign heats up people will be fired up just to keep out whatever Troglodyte the GOP comes up with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2011, 02:58:23 PM
You're right. The GOP will be throwing away a pretty decent shot at winning. Their candidates will be forced to head far right, and the base simply won't tolerate someone with a chance to win. Obama benefits from being the only grown up in the room.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 08, 2011, 03:32:32 PM
There isn't anyone on the right that can motivate their base and put the GOP paymasters at ease.  Most candidates either seem to be one or the other.  I guess that is what you get when you forgo long term thinking and planning with guerrilla political warfare.

Obama is a disappointing president and you need a lot of cognitive dissonance to defend him but in the post Bush era of Presidential politics, not being a total fuck up means you're doing pretty well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2011, 03:47:00 PM
More thinly veiled self-congratulation, plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2011, 07:11:18 PM
Slightly off topic, but I thought this was amusing:

Quote
“This is a fakery,” Simpson said on Fox News. “If they care at all about their children or grandchildren, and sometimes I doubt that – I think, you know, grandchildren now don’t write a thank-you for the Christmas presents, they’re walking on their pants with the cap on backwards listening to the enema man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dogg, and they don’t like them!”

I think the “enema man” is Eminem; put that together with the dog, and you have to wonder what Freud would say.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/dogg-days/

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
Republicans (and democrats) urging Obama to either bomb Libya or impose a no-fly zone - and criticizing him for his slow response. I can just imagine Obama thinking "you fucking idiots rushed into two wars without any planning, and now want me to possibly start another one? fuckouttahere"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 09, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
Yeah, a bunch of people here at work (who by the way continually whine about bleeding heart agendas that have nothing to do with America) are saying we should be bombing and sending supplies/troops.  If we weren't in two wars right now, maybe.  I asked them then "when does our involvement stop?" they say when the good guys win!  REALLY?  You can't be that unrealistic about what kind of commitment sending troops means.  Christ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 09, 2011, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 09, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
Yeah, a bunch of people here at work (who by the way continually whine about bleeding heart agendas that have nothing to do with America) are saying we should be bombing and sending supplies/troops.  If we weren't in two wars right now, maybe.  I asked them then "when does our involvement stop?" they say when the good guys win!  REALLY?  You can't be that unrealistic about what kind of commitment sending troops means.  Christ.

Don't you also work for a company who benefits from overseas military interventions?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 09, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
Only in countries with trade embargoes.  We spun off our construction and services arm which is who benefit from Iraq and Afghanistan primarily.  We have plenty of business already in Libya.  All of this fucks our shit up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2011, 02:00:54 PM
The U.N. security council will determine whether a no-fly zone is instituted. People cheering for the US to unilaterally impose one are plain dumb. What happens if a US plane is shot down, or if one of our ships is attacked? All of a sudden we're in an entirely different situation. Just imagine the saber rattling and calls for blood that would be coming from the right in that case. "The US was attacked and Obama does nothing! We should have been at war 5 minutes ago"

We were just complaining about Obama, but this is one of the many cases where I'm glad as fuck he's president and not McCain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 09, 2011, 03:11:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2011, 02:00:54 PM
The U.N. security council will determine whether a no-fly zone is instituted. People cheering for the US to unilaterally impose one are plain dumb. What happens if a US plane is shot down, or if one of our ships is attacked? All of a sudden we're in an entirely different situation. Just imagine the saber rattling and calls for blood that would be coming from the right in that case. "The US was attacked and Obama does nothing! We should have been at war 5 minutes ago"

We were just complaining about Obama, but this is one of the many cases where I'm glad as fuck he's president and not McCain.

August 2009 on Twitter: (http://twitter.com/senjohnmccain/status/3331878099)

Late evening with Col. Qadhafi at his "ranch" in Libya - interesting meeting with an interesting man.

And one day earlier: (http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/08/14/idUSLE528109)

TRIPOLI, Aug 14 (Reuters) - U.S. Republican Senator John McCain praised Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi for his peacemaking role in Africa and said Congress would support expanding ties, Libya state news agency Jana said on Friday.

And he still would bomb the shit out of Libya right now  :cookiem
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 09, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
OH SHIT DAVID BRODER IS DEAD


WHO CARES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 09, 2011, 04:28:43 PM
IF THEY'RE FOREIGN AND WEIRD, BOMB 'EM USA~
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2011, 04:32:23 PM
[youtube=560,345]HHhZF66C1Dc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 09, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 09, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
OH SHIT DAVID BRODER IS DEAD


WHO CARES

Quote from: CSMonitor
David Broder covered national politics for the Washington Post for 45 years. The Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist, who died Wednesday, set an example of fairness and tenacity.

:usacry


But really, not cool when anyone dies (cept maybe Rush, Beck, Savage and Hannity). R.I.P. Sweet Prince :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 09, 2011, 04:54:23 PM
I'll take a week off to grieve when Michael Savage dies.  That man is hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 09, 2011, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 09, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
But really, not cool when anyone dies (cept maybe Rush, Beck, Savage and Hannity). R.I.P. Sweet Prince :(

fuck that, i'd only need to be respectful if i was talking to his family.  he said loads of stupid things that no doubt made stupid people do stupid things that hurt other people.  there's plenty worse out there, but still fuck him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 09, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
OH SHIT DAVID BRODER IS DEAD


WHO CARES

Judging from his columns, his brain died years ago.

I can't wait for all of the Media/Establishment screeds to "this fine journalist" etc etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
His final thoughts were probably "Obama will win re-election because he listened to my advice"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 09, 2011, 07:53:53 PM
(http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/03/kelly-troll.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 09, 2011, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 09, 2011, 06:19:40 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 09, 2011, 04:24:37 PM
OH SHIT DAVID BRODER IS DEAD


WHO CARES

Judging from his columns, his brain died years ago.

I can't wait for all of the Media/Establishment screeds to "this fine journalist" etc etc

Tim Russert  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2011, 10:35:29 PM
Far be it that the military establishment want to expand its role.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2011, 01:02:16 AM
(http://media.jsonline.com/images/statebud10_kwg_6.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 10, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
That guy is in a wheelchair. What an idiot.

Right guys?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 10, 2011, 12:06:52 PM
yes we hate disabled people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
I wonder if it's one of those medicare wheelchairs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2011, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 10, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
That guy is in a wheelchair. What an idiot.

Right guys?!


Wait..wha...what the hell?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 11, 2011, 12:20:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2011, 12:47:14 PM
I wonder if it's one of those medicare wheelchairs

fatality
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 12, 2011, 02:51:42 AM
Man, FUCK Arianna Huffington.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/huffpost-ends-its-liberal-soundtrack-publishes-andrew-breitbart-essay-defending-npr-sting/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/huffpost-ends-its-liberal-soundtrack-publishes-andrew-breitbart-essay-defending-npr-sting/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2011, 03:21:27 AM
The mainstream media reports every trick him and O'Keefe pull despite the long history of fabrications and deceptive editing. Every thing Brietbart does is calculated. Whenever O'Keefe releases a video the first step is to demand the media give them attention or be exposed as liberal gate keepers. The media plays along, then a few days later after the damage is done (ie someone gets fired, or resigns) the media stumbles across what blogs have been reporting for days: the videos are fabricated. At that point Brietbart goes on a short PR campaign slamming the media/liberals and bemoaning double standards, political correctness, etc. Not that it matters considering the right has already won the argument and collected a scalp.

He doesn't deserve a spotlight to defend himself free of any type of opposing view point. All his targets focus on the idiotic guilt-by-association shit conservatives use against Obama (while conveniently ignoring all of Bush's ties shady folk, including the Bin Ladens derp derp). The NPR person was actually leaving the network anyway. Yet because this one person had a little too much real talk for the Beardos of the world, the entire NPR must be destroyed? Because one Planned Parenthood associate didn't call 911 asap, the entire organization should be taken down? Because a couple Acorn people said dumb shit, the entire organization is corrupt? I might as well get my camera and tape Walmart greeters, I can take down a multi billion dollar corporation too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 12, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
It's because it gets those ratings/page views.  Breitbart doesn't give a shit whether people buy his defense, he just wants to keep his name on the lips of people before he pulls his next stunt.  Which it will do.  Reminds me of the people that bitch about Sarah Palin selling a book, then buying the book to bash it, and then piss and moan at the high sales of the book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2011, 10:10:06 AM
A great comparison on the right would be the prank call to Scott Walker.  He got burned, but instead of turning over and biting the pillow for the plowing that supposedly goes along with allegedly saying something stupid, he just essentially battened down the hatches, extended his middle finger and now look- he got his union busting bill by hook or by crook.  Pussy ass liberals might learn something from this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on March 12, 2011, 10:13:50 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on March 12, 2011, 08:20:22 AM
It's because it gets those ratings/page views.  Breitbart doesn't give a shit whether people buy his defense, he just wants to keep his name on the lips of people before he pulls his next stunt.  Which it will do.  Reminds me of the people that bitch about Sarah Palin selling a book, then buying the book to bash it, and then piss and moan at the high sales of the book.

Sarah Palin made a book?  How cute.  How many pictures did she draw in it herself?   :lol

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 12, 2011, 10:10:06 AM
A great comparison on the right would be the prank call to Scott Walker.  He got burned, but instead of turning over and biting the pillow for the plowing that supposedly goes along with allegedly saying something stupid, he just essentially battened down the hatches, extended his middle finger and now look- he got his union busting bill by hook or by crook.  Pussy ass liberals might learn something from this.

I don't want to agree, but I have to.  You make a very valid point, sir.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 13, 2011, 05:27:11 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2011, 05:28:25 PM
in b4 Beardo posts video of Obama claiming he visited 52 states
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 13, 2011, 05:36:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2011, 05:28:25 PM
in b4 Beardo posts video of Obama claiming he visited 57 states

Fixed. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2011, 10:08:05 PM
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/obama-owns-the-treatment-of-manning-now.html
:fbm

smh obama, smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 13, 2011, 11:14:47 PM
Obama was responsible for Manning's treatment as soon as he gave that "we've asked the military..." statement.

Firing Crowley is about keeping everyone on message.  You can't get caught bad-mouthing another part of the administration and expect to keep your job.  Ask Stanley McChrystal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2011, 11:28:13 PM
That's true. I'm beyond disappointed in Obama's "he's being treated well because the Pentagon told me so" response, which was Bush/LBJ-esque; he is being tortured. I realize Manning did a pretty idiotic, illegal thing be he hasn't been charged or tried.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2011, 04:32:43 PM
So Mitch McConnell is planning on holding the debt ceiling hostage unless the White House agrees to [strike]cutting[/strike] reforming Social Security, and repealing HCR.

Odds that Obama's gonna cave? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 14, 2011, 05:34:06 PM
Mitch McConnell will cave.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on March 14, 2011, 05:51:55 PM
Mitch McConnell - Kentucky's Black Sheep
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
Yea as will Boehner. But will the tea party house go along with it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 14, 2011, 07:56:00 PM
Obama is waaaaaaaaaaay too pragmatic in too many things, but I do like how he's been intractable in further watering down/halting the HCR.  If only he had as much moxie for other issues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2011, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
Yea as will Boehner. But will the tea party house go along with it?

The fact that the tea party thinks it has any say in things is something that makes me chuckle a bit everyday.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
http://www.milhs.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/FactSheetBigTaxShift1.pdf

my state is fucked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2011, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 14, 2011, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
Yea as will Boehner. But will the tea party house go along with it?

The fact that the tea party thinks it has any say in things is something that makes me chuckle a bit everyday.

Why wouldn't they, though? The tea baggers have the likes of Boehner scared shitless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2011, 10:10:49 PM
Also, what the hell:

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From: Sen.Fitzgerald
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 3:52 PM
To: *Legislative Senate Republicans
Subject: Senate Democrat voting privileges in standing committees

Dear Members,

With the return of the Senate Democrats this weekend, questions have arisen regarding Democrat members’ participation in Senate standing committee public hearings and executive sessions.

Please note that all 14 Democrat senators are still in contempt of the Senate. Therefore, when taking roll call votes on amendments and bills during executive sessions, Senate Democrats’ votes will not be reflected in the Records of Committee Proceedings or the Senate Journal. They are free to attend hearings, listen to testimony, debate legislation, introduce amendments, and cast votes to signal their support/opposition, but those votes will not count, and will not be recorded.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact my office.

Thank you,

Scott Fitzgerald
Senate Majority Leader
13th Senate District
 
 

http://wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=230087
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2011, 10:17:36 PM
I don't think Boehner or McConnell are particularly serious about much of anything outside of making their donors richer, but they aren't stupid. They've been elected officials long enough to know the dangers of a government shut down, and they both were around when Gingrich did it; in fact that farce is what put Boehner on track to become the minority leader.

That can't be said of the tea party folks, some of whom don't know what they're playing with, and others simply don't care. They're more concerned about raking in donations and ensuring a further right candidate can't challenge them in two years. Democrats are finally pulling back and saying hey, we've offered some concessions while you guys have offered nothing, screw you. Eventually this "fund the government 2weeks at a time" bullshit is going to stop and they'll need to come up with a compromise.

This is why Obama will probably win in 2012. The GOP is being held hostage by a group of insane people, and they're more energized than the George Will types who sit on the sidelines pouting. Whoever gives them the most red meat is going to get their vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bocsius on March 14, 2011, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 14, 2011, 04:32:43 PM
So Mitch McConnell is planning on holding the debt ceiling hostage unless the White House agrees to [strike]cutting[/strike] reforming Social Security, and repealing HCR.

Odds that Obama's gonna cave? :smug

While they're in the saving mood, offer to gut defense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 15, 2011, 08:38:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2011, 10:17:36 PM
I don't think Boehner or McConnell are particularly serious about much of anything outside of making their donors richer, but they aren't stupid. They've been elected officials long enough to know the dangers of a government shut down, and they both were around when Gingrich did it; in fact that farce is what put Boehner on track to become the minority leader.

That can't be said of the tea party folks, some of whom don't know what they're playing with, and others simply don't care. They're more concerned about raking in donations and ensuring a further right candidate can't challenge them in two years. Democrats are finally pulling back and saying hey, we've offered some concessions while you guys have offered nothing, screw you. Eventually this "fund the government 2weeks at a time" bullshit is going to stop and they'll need to come up with a compromise.

This is why Obama will probably win in 2012. The GOP is being held hostage by a group of insane people, and they're more energized than the George Will types who sit on the sidelines pouting. Whoever gives them the most red meat is going to get their vote.

I hope that by Fall 2012, the teabagging movement will be on an irreversible decline.  Glenn Beck supposedly has lost about a million viewers in the past few months and I don't think the GOP is too happy about the tea party alternatives costing a few sure things (Colorado, Delaware, Nevada, etc.) that probably would have meant controlling the Senate.  I'm probably being too optimistic but it seems like luck is starting to run out for them, with tea party paymasters dropping out of the movement and funding safer and saner candidates (ie, not Palin, Bachmann, or DeMint) for 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
The problem is that primaries are dominated on a grassroots level, and the GOP grassroots is crazy. Nearly half of primary voters think Obama isn't a US citizen. If they manage to rally around one candidate, he or she could win early states like Iowa, SC, and maybe NH given all the crazy stories coming from there recently.

It's also very likely they'll split the vote enough for someone like Pawlenty or Huck to get through
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 16, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
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As he does every year, the President filled out his brackets predicting the winners of the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments, but discussing it with Doris Burke of ESPN, he began with a call to stand with the people of Japan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets)


Priorities people! NCAA brackets and then Japan. No need to be rash.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
I love how conservatives can pick and choose what Obama should be doing with his time. Never mind the warships full of aid having already been dispensed days ago.

Protip: America does not rule the earth.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 16, 2011, 04:21:08 PM
isn't it funny how Obama's administration has been more help to a foreign country suffering from a flood disaster then Bush was in dealing with one of our own?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2011, 05:15:19 PM
Remember when Obama beat that old guy because he could multitask instead of suspending everything to focus on one problem? :teehee

I'm confident Obama can address Japan and fill out his bracket at the same time. Harvard education :bow

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2011, 05:20:57 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 16, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
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As he does every year, the President filled out his brackets predicting the winners of the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments, but discussing it with Doris Burke of ESPN, he began with a call to stand with the people of Japan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets)


Priorities people! NCAA brackets and then Japan. No need to be rash.

I was wondering when this particular 'outrage' would ooze its way here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 16, 2011, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 16, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
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As he does every year, the President filled out his brackets predicting the winners of the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments, but discussing it with Doris Burke of ESPN, he began with a call to stand with the people of Japan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets)


Priorities people! NCAA brackets and then Japan. No need to be rash.

How much time did Bush spend at his ranch chopping wood, again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 16, 2011, 05:44:30 PM
heckuva job, brownie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2011, 07:16:47 PM
First listen to the rest of the story, then respond to 9/11.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 16, 2011, 09:08:11 PM
Quote from: Beardo on March 16, 2011, 03:56:15 PM
Quote
As he does every year, the President filled out his brackets predicting the winners of the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments, but discussing it with Doris Burke of ESPN, he began with a call to stand with the people of Japan
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/16/president-obamas-2011-ncaa-brackets)


Priorities people! NCAA brackets and then Japan. No need to be rash.

Seems like first Japan, then NCAA brackets to me :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2011, 12:40:47 AM
Wait, I'm confused... is Beardo saying we should increase the amount we spend on... FOREIGN AID??? :smug
Title: Noted without comment
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2011, 12:41:36 AM
http://www.domeontherange.net/2011/03/peck-if-youre-brown-youre-going-down.html

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Today in the Kansas House Appropriations Committee, during a discussion about methods used to exterminate feral swine (which include shooting them from a helicopter), Rep. Virgil Peck (R- Tyro) suggested that Kansas should use the same approach to address immigration.

“It looks like to me if shooting these immigrating feral hogs works maybe we have found a [solution] to our illegal immigration problem,” said Peck.

Peck was approached by press after the committee meeting. He was unapologetic and said he was “just joking.”

"I was just speaking like a southeast Kansas person," Peck said to the Lawrence Journal Word. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2011, 01:02:01 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 17, 2011, 12:40:47 AM
Wait, I'm confused... is Beardo saying we should increase the amount we spend on... FOREIGN AID??? :smug

The outrage for not helping out the poor widdle weaboos is all the more amusing considering Rush has been making fun of the tragedy since it started.
Title: Re: Noted without comment
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2011, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 17, 2011, 12:41:36 AM
http://www.domeontherange.net/2011/03/peck-if-youre-brown-youre-going-down.html

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Today in the Kansas House Appropriations Committee, during a discussion about methods used to exterminate feral swine (which include shooting them from a helicopter), Rep. Virgil Peck (R- Tyro) suggested that Kansas should use the same approach to address immigration.

“It looks like to me if shooting these immigrating feral hogs works maybe we have found a [solution] to our illegal immigration problem,” said Peck.

Peck was approached by press after the committee meeting. He was unapologetic and said he was “just joking.”

"I was just speaking like a southeast Kansas person," Peck said to the Lawrence Journal Word. 

Clearly he was just misinterpreted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on March 17, 2011, 03:06:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 17, 2011, 12:40:47 AM
Wait, I'm confused... is Beardo saying we should increase the amount we spend on... FOREIGN AID??? :smug

It's almost as though Beardo wants annihilation, but I guess every forum needs its resident shitwit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
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In a Fox Business Network interview, Former Vice President Dan Quayle defended President Obama from Republican criticism that he plays too much golf when there are so many troubles around the world.

Said Quayle: "I'm glad he's out playing golf. I happen to be a golfer. I think presidents deserve down time. And believe me, he is in constant communication with what's going on... I mean, what do you want him to do, stay in his house and be on the phone with the ambassador to Japan all the time?"


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Ponder this little development for a moment: Dan Quayle has become the voice of reason in the Republican Party.


Beardo annihilated yet again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 17, 2011, 08:13:33 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/03/sarah-palin-charlie-sheen-2012-presidential-race-/1

Probably a lot of joke responses but apparently independents would rather vote for Charlie Sheen than Sarah Palin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 17, 2011, 10:12:45 PM
Winning!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2011, 11:35:17 PM
I wonder how people will look back on the Tea Party movement a decade or more from now... assuming the Earth doesn't implode by the end of next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2011, 12:22:14 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 17, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
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In a Fox Business Network interview, Former Vice President Dan Quayle defended President Obama from Republican criticism that he plays too much golf when there are so many troubles around the world.

Said Quayle: "I'm glad he's out playing golf. I happen to be a golfer. I think presidents deserve down time. And believe me, he is in constant communication with what's going on... I mean, what do you want him to do, stay in his house and be on the phone with the ambassador to Japan all the time?"


Quote
Ponder this little development for a moment: Dan Quayle has become the voice of reason in the Republican Party.


Beardo annihilated yet again.

You'd think Man Code in general would prevent hacks from attacking Obama here. A guy can watch sports and do laundry, and he can play golf after a long day of work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2011, 09:22:41 AM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2011, 11:35:17 PM
I wonder how people will look back on the Tea Party movement a decade or more from now... assuming the Earth doesn't implode by the end of next year.

America's was hit by a tsunami of stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2011, 02:18:11 PM
Has Obama even been to camp David yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 18, 2011, 11:00:14 PM
We've discussed this briefly in the past, but this is in greater detail. I imagine it'll come in handy if you wanna make a tea bagger's head explode:

5 Republican Presidents the Tea Party doesn't realize they're supposed to hate. (http://alphanovus.org/?p=256)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 18, 2011, 11:53:37 PM
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense, a theft. The cost of one modern, heavy bomber is this: a modern, brick school in more than 30 cities."

~Barack Obama

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2011, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on March 17, 2011, 11:35:17 PM
I wonder how people will look back on the Tea Party movement a decade or more from now... assuming the Earth doesn't implode by the end of next year.
 

They'll just look at them as one of those wacky late 00s/early 10s things. There will be lots of Tea Party costumes at themed dance nights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on March 19, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
Did Obama get approval from congress to bomb Libya?  I figured he'd know to do that being he taught constitutional law.  So when do the impeachment hearings begin for this warmongering criminal?  Why we still got code pink?   :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2011, 11:34:30 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on March 19, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
Did Obama get approval from congress to bomb Libya?  I figured he'd know to do that being he taught constitutional law.  So when do the impeachment hearings begin for this warmongering criminal?  Why we still got code pink?   :-*

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/Colbert-ICALLEDIT.gif)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26588797&postcount=9319
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on March 19, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
My sentiment has always been the longer he takes and the less he does, the better for the country.  Quite the irony seeing a nobel peace prize winner bombing a country that has done no direct harm to us.   :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 19, 2011, 11:50:37 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on March 19, 2011, 11:49:14 PM
a country that has done no direct harm to us.   :)

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 19, 2011, 11:59:20 PM
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MARCH 19, 2011
OBAMA: 'Today we are part of a broad coalition. We are answering the calls of a threatened people. And we are acting in the interests of the United States and the world'...
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MARCH 19, 2003
BUSH: 'American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger'...
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lollolololooolollolol :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Yeesh.  I know you guys don't actually care about Libya except to score points for your team, but you don't have to broadcast it.


edit:  Besides which, lousy metaphor.

A no-fly zone enforced by the threat of airstrikes (in order to shield a rebelling section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan) of a country from the central government) isn't analogous to the Iraq War.  It's the policy we had in place before Bush, which he said would get us all killed if we didn't scrap it in favor of a full scale ground invasion and occupation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 20, 2011, 01:21:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 20, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Yeesh.  I know you guys don't actually care about Libya except to score points for your team, but you don't have to broadcast it.

(http://www.barackobamabooks.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/change-we-can-believe-in-obama-books.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 20, 2011, 01:23:22 AM
Somebody wasn't hoping hard enough for change. 

Which one of you was it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 20, 2011, 01:28:44 AM
Yeah, this is so like Iraq and 2003, except Obama has said nothing about non-existent WMD's and that we don't need proof to go in there anyways (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud"), and also that there actually is a "coalition of the willing" this time about, what with the UK and frigging FRANCE putting in much of the responsibility, and also the international community and people of Libya have been screaming for intervention instead of some country that pretty much wanted to be left alone.

I mean, other then all that its almost exactly the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 20, 2011, 01:34:05 AM
Beardo getting his face dickslapped once again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2011, 01:34:52 AM
I wonder if it bothers you at all that your country made a pretty huge decision which is going to affect (and maybe end) tons of lives, and the only aspect of it you find interesting is how it can be used as a rhetorical cudgel against people who vote differently.

I'd like to think some part of you, even a tiny little ignored part in the back of your mind, is saying "man, I'm paying attention to this stuff for all the wrong reasons, maybe I should unhitch my ego from my tribal political identity and re-examine some shit".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2011, 02:41:58 AM
Yesterday: Obama is Carter
Today: Obama is a Bush

I liked Obama more when he was just a Nazi
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on March 20, 2011, 10:18:48 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 20, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Yeesh.  I know you guys don't actually care about Libya except to score points for your team, but you don't have to broadcast it.

Stop it or you're gonna make me cry.  If this was about caring so much then what about the killings in Bahrain?  Oh wait.   
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Quote from: Mandark on March 20, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
edit:  Besides which, lousy metaphor.

A no-fly zone enforced by the threat of airstrikes (in order to shield a rebelling section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan) of a country from the central government) isn't analogous to the Iraq War.  It's the policy we had in place before Bush, which he said would get us all killed if we didn't scrap it in favor of a full scale ground invasion and occupation.

You're right this isn't the Iraq War.  It's rebels vs a central government AKA civil war which we have no place in or right to decide the outcome.  And who's to say the rebel's government would turn out any better than the one in place?  Haven't we seen enough blowback from the Middle East?  Whatever moral structure you try and build in support of this, the president can't just launch airstrikes on another country at a whim.  It's unconstitutional and besides we don't have the money to be getting involved in other conflicts.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2011, 02:41:58 AM
Yesterday: Obama is Carter
Today: Obama is a Bush

I liked Obama more when he was just a Nazi


I liked him better as a community organizer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on March 20, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
Michael Moore Rips President Obama Over Libya  :o

"We've had a "no-fly zone" over Afghanistan for over 9 yrs. How's that going? #WINNING !"   :lol

Moore also suggested that Obama should return the Nobel Peace Prize he won in 2009:

"May I suggest a 50-mile evacuation zone around Obama's Nobel Peace Prize? #returnspolicy"  :lol

http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/150857-michael-moore-rips-obama-over-libya-

At least one liberal realizes the president is trolling him.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 20, 2011, 12:24:13 PM
As much as I like to dog on Obama, I think he's handled the Arab revolutions as best as he can: which is a policy is condemning the actions of the authoritarian governments while stressing a hands off policy.  He is essentially being dragged into Libya, stating that the presence of US forces will be minimal.  The public opinion is such that there is an obligation to do _something_ but is smart enough to know that it will probably get screwed up so the goal is to be as limiting as possible.  He's in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Republicans are taking the schizophrenic position that Obama should stay out of the conflict but can't just sit on his hands while freedom is being squashed but we should give aid but no wait we're against spending money on foreign aid but no matter what Obama is doing the wrong thing so lets the play the contrarian during this whole debacle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2011, 01:36:47 PM
ShogunofFear:  Missing the point, dude.  I wasn't defending the policy; read the Libya thread.

It's just that you and Beardo immediately want to talk about how gleeful you are at liberals feeling betrayed, and seem to be completely uninterested in the substance of what's going to happen (ie the Libyans who might get killed because of this).

Maybe that's unfair and you really do have some substantive thoughts that aren't focused on your own petty vendettas, but hey, on the net you are what you write and you're choosing "lol Michael Moore" over anything real.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2011, 03:17:25 PM
This might be the first time I've seen a conservative here even acknowledge a picture of Bush kissing the Saudis. We're making some progress
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 22, 2011, 04:29:54 PM
Obama is handling the best he can.  Kuchinich: go back to Ohio and sleep in your wife's tits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 22, 2011, 10:39:26 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on March 22, 2011, 04:29:54 PM
Obama is handling the best he can.  Kuchinich: go back to Ohio and sleep in your wife's tits.

Pix?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 23, 2011, 07:33:27 PM
LOL:

http://twitter.com/mattduss/statuses/50663271790952448
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2011, 07:37:29 PM
Reinforced what's already been known: Republicans don't have a position other than that anything Obama does is automatically wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2011, 08:41:35 PM
Quote from: Green Man on March 20, 2011, 12:16:25 PM
Obama has been a real buzzkill. I think I'll just write in Anthony Weiner for president.

Weiner is a super duper pro-Israel though :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 23, 2011, 09:51:50 PM
My local repub senator was on the news tonight saying how he is trying to help defund health care reform because it doesn't help contain costs like tort reform would.

I wanted to punch the TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2011, 12:08:18 AM
Heh, it's so funny getting into arguments over that, and the "buying insurance across state linez" stuff with people. Usually they wind up admitting they don't know much about the issue, but are against gubmint health care as a core principle derp derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2011, 12:24:51 AM
A ton of people seem to have compartmentalized beliefs, so they can maintain political beliefs that might contradict how they go about their everyday lives.

A couple years ago (very nice) woman and I were talking about the job market as things were still bottoming out.  She said I should consider a public sector career because the job security and benefits are really good.  I mentioned I was at my current job in large part because of health coverage and she said "Do you think anyone will want to be a doctor with Obamacare, you know the government taking it all over and stuff?"  I made some benign remark about there being really good doctors in England when I lived there so hopefully it would all work out and quickly changed the subject.

In the context of relatives and friends she knew in real life (I think a sister with a part-time teaching gig) she understood the pros and cons of working a government job, as almost everyone in the DC area does.  In the context of tribal partisan politics, doctors will become paupers once Obama takes everything over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2011, 12:39:33 AM
Ah, it's hard to believe it was only a year ago when John Boehner said that we were 24 hours away from Armageddon. (http://politifi.com/news/Boehner-Its-Health-Care-Bill-Will-Ruin-our-Country-311154.html) Memories.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on March 24, 2011, 12:42:42 AM
Quote from: Beardo on March 20, 2011, 01:23:22 AM
Somebody wasn't hoping hard enough for change. 

Which one of you was it?

It was me. I voted for Obama but secretly hoped for same-same
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 25, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/03/9-bills-creationism-classroom

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State governments are grappling with massive budget deficits, overburdened social programs, and mountains of deferred spending. But never mind all that. For some conservative lawmakers, it's the perfect time to legislate the promotion of creationism in the classroom. In the first three months of 2011, nine creationism-related bills have been introduced in seven states—that's more than in any year in recent memory
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2011, 05:53:59 PM
murdered in the digital realm

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Two Quick Things

1.) The reason many pundits sit in the back of class yelling “BORING” while making armpit farty sounds when it comes to Bob Herbert is simply because what he writes about does not affect them. Most of the pundit class is privileged, white, insured, employed, and talking about the widespread despair for millions of Americans is akin to talking to Eskimos about what suntan lotion is the best for a trip to the French Riviera. When you read about the issues Herbert discusses and say to your self that this “his motives were obviously honorable, his compassion deep, and his solutions sincere, if invariably trite,” and that he was such a “boring, familiar voice,” you probably aren’t focusing on what he is saying at all and instead are mentally composing your next piece on Trig Palin or beards, or in Joe Klein’s case, how the DFH’s are ruining America.

2.) Geraldine Ferraro will probably get a lot of pundit love over the next few days, and Anne Laurie does mention the few bright spots, but for me, her legacy is another tough on crime pol whose coke-dealing son got off light, a husband who was a crook, an incompetent pol who lost 49 states in 1984, disappeared for a long while and then re-emerged, offering up some of the ugliest and most racist rhetoric in the 2008 campaign. It’s one thing to start off racist and spend your life atoning, as Robert Byrd did, but Ferraro for me will be just another bitter white crank who still thinks it is 1960 and that it is ok to say things like:

    “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”

She ended her life moving in the wrong direction, offering up whatever racist and sexist bilge she could find to sink Obama, and she did it for a profit, vomiting up her bile as a paid commenter on Fox. She was Harriet Christian with name recognition and a (D) after her name, stirring up racial resentment in a shrinking white middle class that, amusingly enough, had already resoundingly rejected her several decades ago and never much cared for her outside of a NY borough. Feminism deserved better.

I won’t miss her or her “contributions,” thank you very much. That’s her legacy, it’s not my fault for pointing it out, and I didn’t join Gerry Ferraro’s idea of the Democratic party.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/03/26/two-quick-things/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 27, 2011, 06:24:06 PM
good shit right there.  when planned parenthood popped up on my facebook talking about how sad her passing was, all i could think was "seriously?  you're gonna run an obit for this asshole AND not even mention the awful shit she said and defended?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2011, 07:12:31 PM
I thought there were certainly some cases of sexism in the media during the 2008 election; in general sexism is more acceptable than racism, and any perceived racial attacks on Obama were called out immediately while Hillary was left to defend herself. Now don't get me wrong: it's hard to feel bad or sorry for Hillary considering how ugly she ran her campaign, but she was wronged at times.

But Ferraro's arguments were never well thought out, and instead were quite bitter and contradictory. Obama's race led to a majority of voters - including me - dismissing his chances from the start. His race later became a stumbling block in rural towns and all of West Virginia, a blue state that went red out of pure racism. His multicultural background helped him appeal to a wide range of voters - from the youth to Hispanics - but overall it wasn't some advantage that secured his success. The novelty of his run gained him media coverage, but so did the novelty of Hillary's. If anyone has a decent gripe about being overlooked or at a disadvantage in 08, it's John Edwards - the boring white guy stuck in the middle with trail blazers.

This is another example of the "black man only got the job because he's black" mentality, which is racist; call it what it is. Obama "got the job" because he ran arguably the best primary campaign in US history, was the right candidate at the right time, and was the most likable candidate. I specifically remember all the concern trolling coming from the Hillary camp suggesting Obama's race could lose a winnable general election, and let's not forget the media's obsession with the Bradley Effect that carried to election day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 27, 2011, 08:53:04 PM
I think the overall problem with Ferraro is that people (myself included), assumed that Hillary was just going to coast into being nominated in 2008.  That it was her time and while it was cute Obama and Edwards wanted to try, they were just mere distractions.  It explains why her campaign was run so poorly.  When Obama was doing better than they thought he would, Ferraro lost her shit.

Thinking about her death reminds me of how well Obama ran his 2008 campaign.  It was virtually perfect, making it almost impossible for competitors to make any stinging attacks that lasted.  Everything seemed to have sloughed off him and left behind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
Making the communication failure of his presidency all the more baffling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 28, 2011, 02:13:30 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-karab-amabo-gop-presidential-candidate/

Segment was funny but the name sounds too furren to be liked by the tea baggers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2011, 11:11:27 AM
Disgusting. THese people are animals.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 28, 2011, 11:06:13 PM
Nice article on Obama and corporate taxes:

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Let's see...$3.2 billion is $200 million more than the amount that the Obama Administration wanted to slash from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, because the White House was showing that it was serious about restraining spending in tough times. So the poor go without fuel, and G.E. gets $3.2 billion in handouts, and the budget almost balances out. Fiscal discipline!

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In the mid-1980s, President Ronald Reagan overhauled the tax system after learning that G.E. — a company for which he had once worked as a commercial pitchman — was among dozens of corporations that had used accounting gamesmanship to avoid paying any taxes.

“I didn’t realize things had gotten that far out of line,” Mr. Reagan told the Treasury secretary, Donald T. Regan, according to Mr. Regan’s 1988 memoir. The president supported a change that closed loopholes and required G.E. to pay a far higher effective rate, up to 32.5 percent.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/scocca/archive/2011/03/28/ronald-reagan-cared-more-about-protecting-americans-from-corporate-greed-than-barack-obama-does.aspx
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 28, 2011, 11:06:13 PM
Nice article on Obama and corporate taxes:

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Let's see...$3.2 billion is $200 million more than the amount that the Obama Administration wanted to slash from the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, because the White House was showing that it was serious about restraining spending in tough times. So the poor go without fuel, and G.E. gets $3.2 billion in handouts, and the budget almost balances out. Fiscal discipline!

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In the mid-1980s, President Ronald Reagan overhauled the tax system after learning that G.E. — a company for which he had once worked as a commercial pitchman — was among dozens of corporations that had used accounting gamesmanship to avoid paying any taxes.

“I didn’t realize things had gotten that far out of line,” Mr. Reagan told the Treasury secretary, Donald T. Regan, according to Mr. Regan’s 1988 memoir. The president supported a change that closed loopholes and required G.E. to pay a far higher effective rate, up to 32.5 percent.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/scocca/archive/2011/03/28/ronald-reagan-cared-more-about-protecting-americans-from-corporate-greed-than-barack-obama-does.aspx

They made $14.2 billion in profit and then got an extra $3.2 billion back from the government in tax benefits. Meanwhile my parents are bending over backwards to shell out thousands of bucks in taxes, made worse by my dad being self-employed. Yeah, thanks a bunch there, federal government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2011, 11:46:14 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/you-ve-come-long-way-baby_555622.html

I'm gonna be sick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2011, 12:00:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2011, 11:46:14 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/you-ve-come-long-way-baby_555622.html

I'm gonna be sick

Yeah, a pretty good indicator that you're on the wrong side of an issue is when you look around and see Bill Kristol on the same side of the argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2011, 02:16:59 AM
OTOH Juan Cole is strongly supportive while Krauthammer thinks he's screwing the pooch.

Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich is on both sides (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/03/23/newt-gingrich-completely-changes-position-on-libya-in-16-days.aspx).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2011, 02:37:14 AM
Newt can't seem to get out of his own way these days.  IDEAS!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2011, 02:38:55 AM
Wait, CNN had Donald fucking Trumb on to respond to a foreign policy speech by the president?

I'm not a fan of the mission, but boy oh boy if this is successful and Qaddafi is ousted dead or alive, I can't wait for the spin from the right/presidential candidates. You know you done goofed when you're to the far right of Kristol and this guy (http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/03/28/libya-intervention-scores-john-yoo-endorsement.aspx)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2011, 02:57:41 AM
Trump's running for president, or thinking about running, or (my bet) has decided the publicity from pretending to run would be useful and/or fun.  I heard he's getting in on the birther thing, too.

The obvious play for Republicans is to support the idea of military action, but to spend most of their time talking about some aspect where Obama Got It Wrong.  That's what Krauthammer and David Brooks are doing with the multilateralism angle.  The public's damn apathetic about the whole Libya situation, so it's not like Iraq where Bush was riding a huge wave of public support and Democrats had to worry about getting demagogued.  Obama's not the type to slam the opposition for being traitors, and it wouldn't stick even if he was.


And I know this is piling on a non-officeholder who says wacky things rather than focusing on relevant stuff, but more Newt (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52023.html)!

Quote from: Newt Gingrich
I have two grandchildren — Maggie is 11, Robert is 9. I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2011, 03:14:37 AM
Seems more like Trump has found a new market to capitalize on - the birther/anti-Muslim crowd is pretty profitable. I can't imagine him putting in the work of running for president; although I guess he could just attend all the debates for the publicity and not do much stumping.

The multilateralism angle makes no sense to me. I "get" the gripes over us not attacking earlier, but then again I suppose that argument ties right into the mulilateralism one (we could have acted faster without the international community). But considering Qaddafi's forces are on the ropes and the rebels are advancing, it seems like a moot point to me. Too bad Obama can't just walk up to a podium and say "remember the last time you idiots rushed into a war with no planning or a coalition? How did that work out. fuckouttahere"


Islam isn't a religion remember
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/bryan_fischer_muslims_have_no_first_amendment_righ.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 29, 2011, 06:10:30 AM
Did you guys see Jon Stewart's interview with Bret Baier? He tried to pull some shit about Fox being unbiased, and for the first time ever (to my knowledge at least), Jon Stewart showed a clip of his hypocrisy while interviewing him!

Was pretty bad ass. The look on Baier''s face after that clip was lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 29, 2011, 05:10:29 PM
Hasn't Trump stated that he was going to run for President before?

Edit: According to Wikipedia, he said he was going to run for President in 2000, 2004, and 2008 and as Governor in 2006.

Not even worth talking about IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 29, 2011, 09:50:11 PM
Someone in the media thinks so. OldRich people trying to stay relevant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 30, 2011, 01:54:29 AM
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Back in February, Paul Ryan unveiled what was supposed to be the opening bid from the House Republicans: $32 billion in cuts for the rest of 2011. But the Tea Party demanded more and House leadership quickly caved, doubling their proposed cuts to more than $60 billion -- or almost $100 billion less than barack Obama’s 2011 budget request (quick note: different news stories present these numbers differently, as it depends on whether you use Obama’s budget request or 2010’s funding as a baseline. I’m using the difference from 2010 funding, which makes for lower sums). Now Democrats are offering as a compromise measure $30 billion in total cuts, or exactly what Ryan’s original proposal had called for. Pretty neat, huh?

And that’s not the Democrats’ final offer, either. Odds are good that the eventual compromise will see cuts somewhere between the $30 billion Republican leadership called for and the almost $70 billion the conservative wing of the House GOP demanded. “That’s not much of a compromise if we end up with what the House Republican leadership wanted in the first place,” observe Michael Ettlinger and Michael Linden. And they’re right. But the irony is that it’s entirely possible the press will report that Democrats “won” the negotiations, as Republican leadership is likely to have to lose a lot of conservative votes in the House to get any compromise, no matter how radical, through the chamber. That will make them look bad, and in the weird logic of Washington, make the Democrats look good. But if you just keep your eye on the policy, Republicans are moving towards a win far beyond anything the House leadership had initially imagined. Getting there required learning they had less control over their conservative wing that they’d hoped, but it also taught them that their inability to control their conservative wing gave them credibility in negotiations with Democrats and can lead to pretty remarkable policy wins, as no one doubts that House Republicans really will shut down the government or allow for a default.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-a-huge-win-for-the-tea-party-a-win-for-republicans-and-a-big-loss-for-democrats/2011/03/10/AFPEm3nB_blog.html

Hey guys, I hear McConnell and Boehner are shaking in their boots thanks to the dems super effective pre-emptive surrender strategy. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on March 31, 2011, 11:21:36 AM
United Steel Workers defends.... Koch Industries???

http://blog.usw.org/2011/03/30/a-well-intentioned-bad-idea/ (http://blog.usw.org/2011/03/30/a-well-intentioned-bad-idea/)
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By Jon Geenen
International Vice President, United Steelworkers

By now anyone who had not yet heard of the Koch brothers has been introduced to them. Every major newspaper and magazine has run an article about the brothers who until recently lived largely under the radar while advancing a political vision via political action committees and think tanks funded by their fortunes.

In the advent of the Supreme Court’s decision in the Citizens United case, journalists and others have made a clear connection between the Koch brothers and their role and influence in the advancement of the agenda of the far political right. Indeed, it is important, in fact essential, that Americans know who is driving the agenda and what the agenda is about, although the Citizens United decision and federal law allow the Koch brothers and other wealthy funders of the far right to donate in secret.

The groups that generally operate in the middle and to the left of the center of the political spectrum who identify themselves as moderate, progressives, trade unionists and other like-minded people are outraged by this dirty little secret. It has led to a progressive uprising in some areas, with protests that are said to eclipse the anti-war protests of the 1960s. These groups have also launched various efforts to pressure the financiers and architects of this agenda into rethinking their positions.
Therein lies at least one problem.

A number of organizations are advocating a boycott of the products that come from companies owned by the Koch family. This is problematic for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it could potentially hurt the wrong people.
The Koch brothers own Georgia Pacific. It is an American consumer goods company that makes everyday products like facial tissue, napkins, paper towels, paper cups and the like. Their plants are great examples of American advanced manufacturing. Incidentally, GP makes most of its products here in America. The company’s workforce is highly unionized. In fact, 80 percent of its mills are under contract with one or more labor union.  It is not inaccurate to say that these are among the best-paid manufacturing jobs in America.

This presents a dilemma and a paradox. While the Koch brothers are credited with advocating an agenda and groups that are clearly hostile to labor and labor’s agenda, the brothers’ company in practice and in general has positive and productive collective bargaining relationships with its unions.

While some companies are running from investment in American jobs, The Koch brothers’ Georgia Pacific just reached agreements with its primary union in the paper industry to invest more than a half a billion dollars in capital to essentially create two state-of-the-art machines that conserve fiber and energy at two separate union mills.
While certainly there are disagreements from time to time on what the right pension program is, or right wage increases and incentives, or the right formula for health care cost sharing, ultimately we end up with negotiated solutions.

So the problem for the advocates of a boycott against Koch is that it can only marginally hurt Koch, and the workers who are the epitome of what advanced manufacturing jobs in the United States ought to look like, would be the first casualties of a boycott. Of course, this will eventually drive a wedge between groups that are otherwise in political alignment.

If consumers pick alternate products (because people will still use toilet paper), in many cases, the substitute will be from a company with a track record that is much less friendly to the values of the workers who would, as a result of the boycott, become the collateral damage. The Koch brothers’ lifestyle will not dramatically change; there are no shareholders that will become concerned; the company is privately owned. The stock won’t plummet either — there is none.

To be sure, I personally have grave concerns about the agenda and influence being wielded by private wealth into our political system. Who doesn’t? I too agree that the Koch brothers are an ideal example of a very broken system.  They undoubtedly know that many see them as pariahs, and undoubtedly they don’t care — no more than I care if someone attaches a label to me for my political views.

So the question is: Can you hurt the Koch brothers through this kind of boycott? Or are you inadvertently becoming the bully that is kicking the Koch dog. There is no doubt that the events in my home state of Wisconsin and elsewhere have become an ignition point for action, and thank God that they have.

Arguably we have been rescued from the social hospice overseeing our demise. It is fair to keep the Koch brothers at the center of the debate. There have been fewer clear examples in our lifetime of the corruption of our system. If “Citizens United” gave corporations First Amendment rights, then too it gives them First Amendment responsibility and accountability. It is fair to find a way to make the Koch brothers responsible for promoting an agenda that ultimately hurts workers, but we should not make union workers collateral damage in this contest with Koch.


My puny liberal mind is sooo confused. I mean, the Ny times tells me to hate the Koch Brothers but they provide some of the better manufacturing jobs in the U.S. What do I doooooooo????!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
Similarly, politicians who made a huge fuss over "Ground Zero Mosque", even though it was being built over 2,000 miles away from them, suddenly are okay with training Saudi air force pilots (http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/03/2011316131230188238.html) on US soil, as long as it provides a windfall in government money to their constituency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2011, 02:59:30 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/03/31/come-with-newt-and-callista-gingrich-on-a-journey-through-time-and-space.aspx
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 31, 2011, 04:44:08 PM
http://plixi.com/p/88360164#
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 31, 2011, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2011, 02:59:30 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/03/31/come-with-newt-and-callista-gingrich-on-a-journey-through-time-and-space.aspx
 :lol

Newt's wife kinda freaks me out. She doesn't look 45 - do they make her up to look older so she's not obviously 20 years younger than Newt, or something? Maybe being married to Newt ages you prematurely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 01, 2011, 11:28:42 AM
awesome looks like missouri is the ONLY STATE to refuse government assistance for the unemployed, turning down over 100 million because we're goverened by a bunch of small-dicked assholes that deserve to be dismembered by a pack of wild methheads.  hope they can get back to working on that mandatory drug tests for welfare recipients program next.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 01, 2011, 04:55:15 PM
We REALLY need something like receipts on our income tax forms or something:


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Poll: Americans Wrongly Estimate $178 Billion In Fed. Budget Goes To Public Broadcasting


In a CNN poll of American adults released Friday, the median guess on what percentage of the federal budget goes to public broadcasting was 5%. With a $3.55 trillion budget last year, that would put funding for the CBP at approximately $178 billion.

In reality though, that's not even close.

The CPB received about $420 million last year from the federal government, making it roughly one one-hundredth of one percent, of the overall budget. That means that the median response was about 424 times higher than the actual amount of federal funding that went to public broadcasting last year.

Further, 20% of respondents thought CPB funding made up over 10% of the entire budget, including 5% who said it made up at least half.

Those findings comes as Congress continues to debate pulling all funding for public broadcasting, including NPR. Fake-pimp and sting video maker James O'Keefe released a video in March that showed an NPR executive bashing Fox News and the Tea Party, a video whose release helped fuel the push to defund NPR.

The survey also underscores how clueless Americans are about where the budget goes in general. For example, Americans on average thought foreign aid took up 10% of the budget; it really makes up about 1%.

The CNN poll was conducted March 11-13 among 1,023 adults nationwide. It has a margin of error of 3.0%.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/poll-americans-wrongly-estimate-178-billion-in-fed-budget-goes-to-public-broadcasting.php

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 01, 2011, 05:41:24 PM
Reminds me a lot of Drinky Crow's pie chart he made a while back that showed what people thought government spending went to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 01, 2011, 10:18:39 PM
(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/privatejobs_mar11.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 04, 2011, 04:46:48 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/3/TMW2011_04_06_small.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 04, 2011, 04:55:16 PM
Oh, and the Reps want to take another shot at privatizing medicare:

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No exaggeration here: On Tuesday, the GOP will officially propose eliminating the current Medicare system by 2021, replacing it with a system of subsidized private insurance in which Medicare beneficiaries would get the equivalent of vouchers to cover a portion of their premiums.

At least on paper, the proposal would save money, but only because it increases voucher funding more slowly than the cost of health care, guaranteeing that at some point, seniors wouldn't be able to afford to get insurance—assuming that they could even find an insurer interested in covering the elderly.

Republicans say that the plan won't impact the cost or quality of medical care, nor will it leave any seniors with inadequate coverage. But they are also careful to say that their plan would not take effect until 2021, so it would only impact people who are 55 and under.

But if they really believe their plan would be so great for seniors, why wait until 2021? Why not just do it now? I could see needing two or three years for implementation, but 10 years? C'mon, guys. It's obvious that the only reason you're exempting people who are 55 and older from your proposal is because you know that anybody who actually spends any time thinking about it (like, for example, people who are close to Medicare eligibility) will quickly understand that this proposal is a complete joke.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/04/963210/-GOP-to-propose-eliminating-Medicare,-replace-it-with-voucher-like-subsidies

Also too:

Quote from: Krugman
Oh, and for all those older Americans who voted GOP last year because those nasty Democrats were going to cut Medicare, I have just one word: suckers!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2011, 06:03:29 PM
Wasn't the figure in the GOP's Pledge To America $100 billion?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2011, 06:45:13 PM
The snark in the last paragraph reminds me why I don't visit DailyKos as much as I used to. Enacting policies take time, just look at Obama's health care bill; would he demand the various aspects of that bill be put in place immediately, before they're finished?

And then I feel dirty for giving Ryan the benefit of the doubt and assuming this is a serious proposal, when it's probably bullshit. But why propose shitcanning Medicare unless you were serious?
Title: I don't read DK cause half of it is self-insertion pundit fanfiction
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2011, 07:13:24 PM
The delay does look purely political, though.  Even the delay in Obamacare implementation had to do with avoiding the phrase "trillion dollars" in headlines.

Pretty sure Ryan's being genuine.  This is basically the McCain '08 plan, just targeted towards seniors.  I don't think it's going to go over well.  Messing with old people's entitlement programs generally doesn't win you votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 04, 2011, 07:17:43 PM
Maybe they should get rid of Medicare.  Then old fucks will have to pay for their own damn Hoverounds when they go to the next tea party rally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2011, 07:22:41 PM
These are the same clowns that screamed bloody murder when Obama cut some fat/fraud out of Medicare a couple years ago. Priceless.

I can't possibly imagine how many times Obama shakes his head in disgusts per day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 05, 2011, 02:33:22 PM
Shaking his head isn't going to change any opinions, unlike proving the GOP to be bald face liers which is so much easier to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2011, 11:51:33 PM
[youtube=560,345]S9xYK9pZ65w[/youtube]

Hume says that instead of targeting corporations like GE, who aggressively use loopholes to avoid paying taxes, we need to "expand the base" for revenues.

That phrase goes back to Reagan's second term, when they were looking for ways to claw back some of the revenues his upper class tax cuts had given away, but without rolling back the cuts themselves.  What they did was "expand the base" of taxpayers by eliminating a ton of loopholes, so that the amount collected went up without raising the official corporate rate (which they might even have cut).

So when Brit Hume says we need to "expand the base" what he's saying is that we need to crack down on tax avoiders like GE by tightening the rules and getting rid of all the special laws passed over the years as favors to big companies.  Only he doesn't realize that's what he means because he apparently memorized the phrase phonetically, knowing only that it's meant to magically stave off any plea that a rich person carries their fair share.

Maybe I only hear what I choose to hear, but Brit Hume's still a tool!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2011, 11:58:50 PM
He said "expanding the economy" not "expanding the base," you socialist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
I realized that like a minute after I posted, but it's such a quality rant!

Lower tax rates --> expand the economy --> higher revenues is just boring old Laffer Curve fundamentalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2011, 12:40:33 AM
obligatory
[youtube=560,345]emgXwYWqd9Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2011, 12:41:26 AM
[youtube=560,345]V3FnpaWQJO0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 06, 2011, 12:42:19 AM
I can't even imagine how much tax revenue the government will be raking in once the tax rate for corporations and the wealthy finally reaches 0%!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 06, 2011, 01:17:40 AM
well, if they don't hafta support the disgusting lazy poors -- i.e. everyone earning under $250K/yr -- the government won't need their hard-earned lucre anyhow :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 06, 2011, 07:33:44 PM
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/glenn-beck-to-end-daily-fox-news-program/
 :usacry

Fucking Awful news. Now who's gonna keep us informed on what the communist-in-office is up to on a daily basis.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 06, 2011, 09:50:52 PM
The failure of Beck was that he had the right message, he was just trying to frame the wrong people with it, purposely. And most people see right through it which paints the people he was trying to protect in a far worse yet proper light.

Revisionist history at it's worst.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2011, 11:46:14 PM
Things aren't gonna be too pretty around here if there's a shutdown.  Already heard one acquaintance trying to line up a plan B.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 07, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
I just sent out my resume to like 12 biker gangs today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2011, 12:15:41 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 07, 2011, 12:13:12 AM
I just sent out my resume to like 12 biker gangs today.

[youtube=560,345]TULMrs76SeE[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2011, 12:39:35 AM
Guess republicans didn't let Obama swoop in and avert a disaster at the last minute this time. Pretty damn surprising on Boehner's part considering he rose to power due to Gingrich's govt shutdown failure; I really didn't think he'd sit back and put his job at risk like that, but I guess I was wrong.

Latest poll showing voters split on who to blame, but I have a feeling those numbers will change in Obama's favor once tax returns and SS checks stop going out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 08, 2011, 12:05:27 PM
now that Glenn Beck is getting bounced off the air, has any other conservative pundits expressed anything about it.  Rush, Savage, any columnists saying "shame of it all" and the like?

I'm guessing not so much.  I'm figuring he's off Fox on a regular basis less for ratings (still pretty good actually) and more for the fact that he was just an embarrassment to the network.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
good article on Beck's current irrelevance
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-glenn-beck-lost-it/2011/04/06/AFNEgnqC_story.html

On the govt shutdown front...Reid has drawn a line in the sand: 38b in cuts, no Planned Parenthood de-funding or abortion riders, take it or leave it. So republicans get nearly 2/3s of what they want, and yet are willing to shut down the federal government over the small amount of money spent to provide contraception, cancer screenings, etc to women.

This is clearly not about the budget, it's about social issues. Obviously both the dem and rep cut demands are miniscule in comparison to the deficit, but this debate started on those cuts. Boehner originally wanted 30b, the tea party demanded 60b so he moved the goal posts.

in short, every time I get frustrated as fuck with democrats, republicans come around and demonstrate they aren't a valid alternative or party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 08, 2011, 12:05:27 PM
now that Glenn Beck is getting bounced off the air, has any other conservative pundits expressed anything about it.  Rush, Savage, any columnists saying "shame of it all" and the like?

I'm guessing not so much.  I'm figuring he's off Fox on a regular basis less for ratings (still pretty good actually) and more for the fact that he was just an embarrassment to the network.

Thoughts?

Advertisers more than network reputation.

Or he quit, has that been ruled out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2011, 01:22:55 PM
abortion and wine are the new guns and butter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2011, 02:04:49 PM
I don't think the move from $30b to $60b on the GOP side was tactical.  Their campaign document called for $100b, Boehner knew they wouldn't get that, conceded too much initially and wouldn't have been able to deliver the votes of his caucus, making any agreement he reached with Dem leaders moot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 08, 2011, 02:06:21 PM
Let's start our spending cuts by gutting paychecks for these politicians who can't do their fucking job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2011, 02:11:50 PM
Let's rescind G.E.'s 3.6 billion tax credit, make them pay that amount in taxes instead, and then we can save 7 billion from the 4 trillion budget without all the brouhaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 08, 2011, 02:38:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
good article on Beck's current irrelevance
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-glenn-beck-lost-it/2011/04/06/AFNEgnqC_story.html

On the govt shutdown front...Reid has drawn a line in the sand: 38b in cuts, no Planned Parenthood de-funding or abortion riders, take it or leave it. So republicans get nearly 2/3s of what they want, and yet are willing to shut down the federal government over the small amount of money spent to provide contraception, cancer screenings, etc to women.

This is clearly not about the budget, it's about social issues.

That and #WINNING, i.e. kicking hippies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 08, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Stealing that, Maurice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 08, 2011, 08:22:30 PM
how many MUSLIM FETUSES must we PAY TO ABORT in AFGHANILIBYA, NOBAMA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2011, 11:38:33 PM
Apparently, we have a deal.  The quoted cut figure is $38 billion, though I've lost track of what the baseline is.

In return, the GOP conceded funds for groups that provide abortion, the ability of the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases, and cuts in the military budget.


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edit - Fearless prediction:  Politicians spin it as a win for their respective sides or at least an important compromise, freepers say Boehner caved and is a wuss, Oblivion says Obama caved and is a wuss.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 08, 2011, 11:52:05 PM
Finally, the day has come when the EPA can regulate the environment. Nixons dream has come to life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 09, 2011, 12:08:48 AM
Considering how everyone was probably going to look much worse for allowing the government to shut down, the 11:59 compromise is probably the best option for them.  Everyone got to play a little chicken so they all look like badasses n' shit to their bases.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 12:39:13 AM
Actually republicans would have been the ones looking bad. And instead of forcing that, democrats decided to make large spending cuts during a recovery. Maybe the WH knows something we don't, but I coulda sworn the last time a democrat president cut spending during a period of weak economic performance, bad things happened.

Oh well, Obama swoops in and saves the day - one cave at a time. For all the demonizing of him, it's pretty clear the dude simply isn't interested in playing some of the games politicians love to play, nor is he interested in this idea of leadership/strength through telling people how it's gonna be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2011, 07:37:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 12:39:13 AM
the last time a democrat president cut spending during a period of weak economic performance, bad things happened.

Not actually true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 09, 2011, 07:37:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 12:39:13 AM
the last time a democrat president cut spending during a period of weak economic performance, bad things happened.

Not actually true.

bah ToxicAdamn pointed out Clinton made similar moves on gaf, which I didn't know
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 09, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Thankfully, these aren't large spending cuts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2011, 09:21:37 PM
i saw on cnn that Obama went up to the Lincoln memorial today and was talking to tourists.

I was at the Lincoln around the same time last Saturday. :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 09, 2011, 11:51:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 02:12:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 09, 2011, 07:37:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2011, 12:39:13 AM
the last time a democrat president cut spending during a period of weak economic performance, bad things happened.

Not actually true.

bah ToxicAdamn pointed out Clinton made similar moves on gaf, which I didn't know

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the economy was never this shitty during Clinton's two terms.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 10, 2011, 12:35:39 AM
shit, apparently we'll have to go through this BS again in a few weeks when they hit the debt ceiling?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2011, 12:38:04 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 10, 2011, 12:35:39 AM
shit, apparently we'll have to go through this BS again in a few weeks when they hit the debt ceiling?

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Once the limit is reached, the Treasury Department would not be able to borrow as it does routinely to finance federal operations and roll over existing debt; ultimately it would be unable to pay off maturing debt, putting the United States government — the global standard-setter for creditworthiness — into default.

The repercussions in that event would be as much economic as political, rippling from the bond market into the lives of ordinary citizens through higher interest rates and financial uncertainty of the sort that the economy is only now overcoming, more than three years after the onset of the last recession.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42512163/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/

Fun!
Title: A Brief History of (I had something for this!)
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2011, 12:55:23 AM
PD:  lulz, TA

Clinton's first budget was aimed at cutting the structural deficit, with tax hikes and spending cuts.  This is generally seen as Clinton siding with Robert Rubin at Treasury over Robert Reich at Labor, who wanted bigger infrastructure spending.  Republicans, especially in the House, predicted the sky would fall on all our heads if it passed.  It eventually made it through the Senate with Al Gore casting a tiebreaking vote.

We all know what happened after:  Clinton got creamed in the midterms then came back in time to get re-elected.  In terms of GDP growth and jobs created, 1994, the year his budget went into effect, was a vast success.  So at least it can't really be blamed on substantial grounds.

Anyway, in keeping with the 90's metaphors Clinton's budget was his Obamacare: a center-left solution to long-term deficits that the GOP treated as a zombie apocalypse passed by the thinnest possible margin in the Senate and followed by a midterm defeat.  The Clinton/Gingrich shutdown showdown is the fight over next year's budget that'll happen in the fall/winter this year, which the Ryan plan is aimed at, where the stakes are higher and Republicans are gunning for big Medicare cuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2011, 01:14:51 AM
You know, a thought just hit me:

All the money handed out by the government to "lazy minorities" through Medicare and welfare is actually more beneficial for this country than all the money given to corporation through tax breaks and tax credits in the name of creating jobs and expanding the economy.

It's insane. But...wait. Every single dime of that money going to "lazy minorities" is going to be turned right around and pumped back into the local economy on food, gas, clothes, ect. in a month or less, in time for next check to come along and repeat the process. And what about the money going to corporations? Sure, some of it will go to build a factory and hire some jobs, but how much gets dropped in an executives pocket? I'm guess a lot of it eventually does. And a lot of the money is going to sit in investment portfolios and savings accounts, slowly growing over time and not being spent. There's also the fact that a lot of these companies are using their money to expand oversees, while cutting American jobs.

Maybe I'm way off base here or on some nonsensical tangent and there's some key piece of information I'm missing, so it would be nice if someone with a deeper knowledge of the subject could come along and expand on this idea in one way or another.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2011, 02:09:39 AM
GR:  My understanding is that during a boom it doesn't make much difference, but during a recession or weak economy you're exactly right: money given to the poor and underemployed cycles back into the economy much more efficiently.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2011, 06:26:29 AM
The unemployment rate never went below 8% under Clinton in any time during his terms.

(http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS14000000_1090087_1302430772169.gif)

Seems it was actually going down during the last year of H.W.'s administration. I'm not sure where the specific cuts Clinton wanted to implement were gonna come from, but it seems the possibility of negative repercussions were far lower than it is now.

Also, I wouldn't call Obama care center-left. It's actually pretty far right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2011, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 10, 2011, 06:26:29 AM
Also, I wouldn't call Obama care center-left. It's actually pretty far right.

Shut up.  You're dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 10, 2011, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 10, 2011, 06:26:29 AM
Also, I wouldn't call Obama care center-left. It's actually pretty far right.

Shut up.  You're dumb.

Yeah, this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2011, 09:33:45 PM
I'd call it a pretty centrist hc "solution", if the public option is center left and socialized medicine is left.  Far right is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2011, 10:27:41 PM
The ideas for healthcare which have drawn actual enthusiasm from the activist bases have basically split like this:

Libruls:  Expand the number of the insured, shift risk away from individuals, lower costs to low-income consumers, control spending through expanding the pool.  That covers the goals of pretty much everything from single-payer to Obamacare as it was passed.

Conservatives:  Shift spending decisions and risk towards individuals, which will drive cost down through the Invisible Hand once moral hazard is eliminated.  This was McCain-care, Ryan's plan for Medicare vouchers, and every op-ed on health care by a right-wing pundit that I can remember reading.


The final bill that passed is, out of all the liberal ideas that have come close to being federal law*, the one which accommodates entrenched private interests the most and it has some serious problems.  But its whole approach is basically anathema to the way the GOP and its related institutions approach the issue.


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Which means not counting the Gore, Bradley, and Kerry plans, which I'm pretty sure were all less ambitious.  And a dollar goes to anyone who can accurately summarize them without peeking at the answers section of your textbook, cause I sure can't.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2011, 12:39:34 AM
How is Obamacare center-left? Obamacare mandates everyone else to take private insurance, there's pretty much as little government involved as possible for a universal health care plan. I mean, shit have we forgotten that this is the plan that friggin Bob Dole was proposing back in 94 or whatever?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 01:00:55 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 11, 2011, 12:39:34 AM
How is Obamacare center-left?

I thought I just explained the different between left and right oriented health reform plans, but lemme simplify.

Quote from: Oblivion
there's pretty much as little government involved as possible

Center-

Quote from: Oblivion
for a universal health care plan.

left.



Now explain to me how, in a world with HSA+tort reform as one of the major party's proposals, it can be defined as "far right" while keeping a straight face.



PS  You realize that Dole voted against that plan, right?  OR HAVE WE FORGOTTEN!?  herp derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 01:07:19 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/10/tea-party-activists-irked-by-budget-deal/

Oh shit predictions coming true all over my face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2011, 01:16:26 AM
Would be nice if they'd put some of that energy into pushing for tax hikes for the rich and corporations instead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2011, 02:21:56 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 11, 2011, 12:39:34 AM
How is Obamacare center-left? Obamacare mandates everyone else to take private insurance, there's pretty much as little government involved as possible for a universal health care plan. I mean, shit have we forgotten that this is the plan that friggin Bob Dole was proposing back in 94 or whatever?

That's one aspect of the plan though. There are a host of center-left proposals in it like the exchanges to pure left proposals like the medical loss ratio.


Obama will preview his budget plan on Wed btw. Can't wait for him to demonstrate strong leadership and make old and poor people suffer with medicare/medicaid cuts  :broder :broder
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: Green Man on April 11, 2011, 02:09:00 AM
So, how exactly do we get out of debt? I mean, seems kinda impossible to be debt free.

What Mr. Rygar said.

Actually we don't have to pay down the debt at all.  Instead total debt, a better stat to look at is the ratio of the debt to GDP (a large country like the US can safely borrow a lot more than, say, Tunisia), and you can shrink that simply by keeping the annual deficit low and the economy growing.

(http://jean-francois.im/2010/04/07/us-debt-to-gdp-ratio.png)

The US borrowed a ton of money during WW2, and basically used economic growth to get out of the hole.  All along that big downward slope, the government was still running small deficits 90% of the time, but because the economy outpaced the borrowing it's no problem.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2011, 09:30:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 01:00:55 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 11, 2011, 12:39:34 AM
How is Obamacare center-left?

I thought I just explained the different between left and right oriented health reform plans, but lemme simplify.

Quote from: Oblivion
there's pretty much as little government involved as possible

Center-

Quote from: Oblivion
for a universal health care plan.

left.



Now explain to me how, in a world with HSA+tort reform as one of the major party's proposals, it can be defined as "far right" while keeping a straight face.



PS  You realize that Dole voted against that plan, right?  OR HAVE WE FORGOTTEN!?  herp derp


Whatever, Adolf.



In other, slightly more positive news:


Quote
Obama prevents budget cuts to favorite programs

A close look at the government shutdown-dodging agreement to cut federal spending by $38 billion reveals that lawmakers significantly eased the fiscal pain by pruning money left over from previous years, using accounting sleight of hand and going after programs President Barack Obama had targeted anyway.
Such moves permitted Obama to save favorite programs — Pell grants for poor college students, health research and "Race to the Top" aid for public schools, among others — from Republican knives.
The full details of Friday's agreement weren't being released until late Monday when it was officially submitted to the House. But the picture already emerging is of legislation financed with a lot of one-time savings and cuts that officially "score" as savings to pay for spending elsewhere, but that often have little to no actual impact on the deficit.
As a result of the legerdemain, Obama was able to reverse many of the cuts passed by House Republicans in February when the chamber passed a bill slashing this year's budget by more than $60 billion. In doing so, the White House protected favorites like the Head Start early learning program, while maintaining the maximum Pell grant of $5,550 and funding for Obama's "Race to the Top" initiative that provides grants to better-performing schools.
Obama also repelled Republican moves to cut $1 billion in grants for community health centers and $500 million from biomedical research at the National Institutes of Health, while blocking them from "zeroing out" the AmeriCorps national service program and subsidies for public broadcasting.
Instead, the cuts that actually will make it into law are far tamer, including cuts to earmarks, unspent census money, leftover federal construction funding, and $2.5 billion from the most recent renewal of highway programs that can't be spent because of restrictions set by other legislation. Another $3.5 billion comes from unused spending authority from a program providing health care to children of lower-income families.
About $10 billion of the cuts already have been enacted as the price for keeping the government open as negotiations progressed; lawmakers tipped their hand regarding another $10 billion or so when the House passed a spending bill last week that ran aground in the Senate.
For instance, the spending measure reaps $350 million by cutting a one-year program enacted in 2009 for dairy farmers then suffering from low milk prices. Another $650 million comes by not repeating a one-time infusion into highway programs passed that same year. And just last Friday, Congress approved Obama's $1 billion request for high-speed rail grants — crediting themselves with $1.5 billion in savings relative to last year.
The underlying issue is long overdue legislation to finance the day-to-day budget of every Cabinet department, including the Pentagon, for the already half-completed 2011 fiscal year. The measure caps 2011 funding for such operating budgets at about $1.2 trillion.
About $10 billion of the cuts comes from targeting appropriations accounts previously used by lawmakers for so-called earmarks, those pet projects like highways, water projects, community development grants and new equipment for police and fire departments. Republicans had already engineered a ban on earmarks when taking back the House this year.
Republicans also claimed $5 billion in savings by capping payments from a fund awarding compensation to crime victims. Under an arcane bookkeeping rule — used for years by appropriators — placing a cap on spending from the Justice Department crime victims fund allows lawmakers to claim the entire contents of the fund as budget savings. The savings are awarded year after year.
Even before details of the bill came out, some conservative Republicans were assailing it. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., said he probably won't vote for the measure, and tea party favorite Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., is a "nay" as well.
The $38 billion in cuts, Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., wrote on his Facebook page, "barely make a dent" in the country's budget woes.
Huelskamp and other conservatives are also upset that most conservative policy "riders" added by Republicans were dropped from the legislation in the course of the talks.
The White House rejected GOP attempts to block the Environmental Protection Agency's ability to issue global warming rules and other reversals of environmental regulations. Obama also forced Republicans to drop an effort to cut off Planned Parenthood from federal funding, as well as GOP moves to stop implementation of Obama's overhauls of health care and Wall Street regulation.
The administration also thwarted a GOP attempt to block new rules governing the Internet, as well as a National Rifle Association-backed attempt to neuter a little-noticed initiative aimed at catching people running guns to Mexican drug lords by having regulators gather information on batch purchases of rifles and shotguns.
Anti-abortion lawmakers did, however, succeed in winning a provision to block taxpayer-funded abortions in the District of Columbia. And House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, won funding for a personal initiative to provide federally funded vouchers for District of Columbia students to attend private schools.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110411/ap_on_bi_ge/us_spending_showdown_details;_ylt=AssjuCR_Q0DVwT41wi4dQgSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFlNWpuYzJpBHBvcwM4MARzZWMDYWNjb3JkaW9uX3BvbGl0aWNzBHNsawNvYmFtYXByZXZlbnQ-


Seems Obama (my hero) came through afterall. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 11:04:04 PM
Real talk, though:  Remember when RomneyObamaCare was a John Edwards '08 white paper?  And we all agreed he was clearly trying to seal up the liberal vote with ambitious policy stances?

How many lefties said "wow, Edwards is obviously running to the right with that ultra-conservative health care proposal, of which the public option is the only redeeming feature"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2011, 11:20:18 PM
Okay, I'll admit, maybe I didn't think this through all the way. Guess I focused on one aspect and ignored the rest. I was wrong, OKAY? :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 11:37:12 PM
No, this is the internet and you must FEEL BAD!



Actually, if anyone wants to feel bad for real, read this (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10thompson.html).


Summary:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Man is arrested for murder and found guilty, sentenced to death.  Exhausts his appeals, is going to be executed a day before his son's HS graduation.  A researcher hired by a law firm working pro bono finds a bunch of stuff that prosecutors never shared with defense attorneys, including blood evidence on the scene that clears his name.  He sues the prosecutors, case goes to the Supreme Court, where they rule 5-4 (guess how that split went!) to throw out the case.

Meaning you can hide evidence in order to get someone killed for a crime they didn't commit, and not be found guilty in a criminal court or even liable in a civil court.  :usacry
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2011, 12:43:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2011, 11:37:12 PM
Actually, if anyone wants to feel bad for real, read this (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10thompson.html).

Summary:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Man is arrested for murder and found guilty, sentenced to death.  Exhausts his appeals, is going to be executed a day before his son's HS graduation.  A researcher hired by a law firm working pro bono finds a bunch of stuff that prosecutors never shared with defense attorneys, including blood evidence on the scene that clears his name.  He sues the prosecutors, case goes to the Supreme Court, where they rule 5-4 (guess how that split went!) to throw out the case.

Meaning you can hide evidence in order to get someone killed for a crime they didn't commit, and not be found guilty in a criminal court or even liable in a civil court.  :usacry
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Absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 12, 2011, 05:02:17 AM
I tweeted that one like a weeknago, very depressing

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2011, 04:45:05 PM
Did you guys see Obama's speech on the budget?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2011, 04:52:30 PM
read some of the details. Good to see someone finally called out the Ryan budget for what it is: a draconian disaster that only succeeds in giving more money to the rich.

I got nerd chills when Obama proposed perscription drug price negotiations through Medicare. Blah, too bad it won't happen. But then again...ok we know his tax increase proposals won't happen right. But if Obama spends a shit ton of time and energy demanding the price negotiations as a part of any budget he signs I'd be so happy. Republicans will get most of what they want, just give me that. And defense cuts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2011, 07:50:19 PM
This part of Obama's speech was great: (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/028935.php)

Quote from: The Chairman
"[T]here has always been another thread running through our history -- a belief that we are all connected; and that there are some things we can only do together, as a nation. We believe, in the words of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, that through government, we should do together what we cannot do as well for ourselves. And so we've built a strong military to keep us secure, and public schools and universities to educate our citizens. We've laid down railroads and highways to facilitate travel and commerce. We've supported the work of scientists and researchers whose discoveries have saved lives, unleashed repeated technological revolutions, and led to countless new jobs and entire new industries. Each of us has benefitted from these investments, and we are a more prosperous country as a result.

"Part of this American belief that we are all connected also expresses itself in a conviction that each one of us deserves some basic measure of security and dignity. We recognize that no matter how responsibly we live our lives, hard times or bad luck, a crippling illness or a layoff, may strike any one of us. 'There but for the grace of God go I,' we say to ourselves, and so we contribute to programs like Medicare and Social Security, which guarantee us health care and a measure of basic income after a lifetime of hard work; unemployment insurance, which protects us against unexpected job loss; and Medicaid, which provides care for millions of seniors in nursing homes, poor children, and those with disabilities. We are a better country because of these commitments. I'll go further -- we would not be a great country without those commitments. [...]

"The America I know is generous and compassionate; a land of opportunity and optimism. We take responsibility for ourselves and each other; for the country we want and the future we share. We are the nation that built a railroad across a continent and brought light to communities shrouded in darkness. We sent a generation to college on the GI bill and saved millions of seniors from poverty with Social Security and Medicare. We have led the world in scientific research and technological breakthroughs that have transformed millions of lives. This is who we are."

It's about time Obama finally embraced his Nazi heritage. :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 13, 2011, 08:24:27 PM
I only caught the part where he was humiliating the right wing for saying that people want to spend all kinds of money on programs but without raising taxes while thinking that cutting piddly shit like foreign aid will make a meaningful impact on the deficit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2011, 09:51:40 PM
Jesus, it just dawned on me again how bad Obama is going to destroy whichever dumb fuck the Republicans nominate in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 13, 2011, 10:45:55 PM
Where was this rhetoric when we were extending the bush tax cuts 3 months ago
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2011, 10:54:40 PM
last three years...
republican: he's a communist, he's a socialist, he wants people on welfare, etc wants to kill grandma
obama: they have some good ideas and so do we, perhaps we can work together on X and Y, even if we disagree about Z

today...
obama: their plan is simply wrong because of X,Y,Z. it would dismantle medicare and leave the elderly to fend for themselves. but we agree on some other things, so lets work together on them
republican: holy shit you need to apologize for such hurtful, partisan language
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/republicans-reject-obama-speech-on-personal-grounds.php?ref=fpa

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 14, 2011, 01:33:45 AM
and that's why I support the dems.  They may be feckless, ineffectual, and slightly corrupt, but at least they ain't outright evil/completely disingenuous in damn near everything they do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2011, 01:41:59 AM
I honestly think that most Republicans are more stupid than evil.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 14, 2011, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2011, 10:54:40 PM
last three years...
republican: he's a communist, he's a socialist, he wants people on welfare, etc wants to kill grandma
obama: they have some good ideas and so do we, perhaps we can work together on X and Y, even if we disagree about Z

today...
obama: their plan is simply wrong because of X,Y,Z. it would dismantle medicare and leave the elderly to fend for themselves. but we agree on some other things, so lets work together on them
republican: holy shit you need to apologize for such hurtful, partisan language
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/republicans-reject-obama-speech-on-personal-grounds.php?ref=fpa



 :lol :lol :lol It's like Old Faithful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 14, 2011, 09:51:14 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4k13LmlcUE[/youtube]
 :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 14, 2011, 11:24:45 AM
That is hilarioud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2011, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 14, 2011, 11:24:45 AM
That is hilarioud.

hi·lar·i·oud /həˈle(ə)rēäd/ Adjective

1. Being both amusing and strange.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 14, 2011, 12:40:38 PM
Who cares if Joe Scarborough is butt hurt that Obama had Paul Ryan sit in the front row of his speech and soundly denounce his budget? I think it's important to scold these knuckle draggers to their face  .
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2011, 01:29:32 PM
Did they expect Obama to say "this voucher program isn't all bad, let me explain" :rofl

Obama is like a little girl who got into a "show me yer privates" game with some dumb boys, all of whom whipped their junk out immediately. And instead of following suit, Obama runs home to tell everyone's parents. Dunno if it's brilliant strategy or just benefiting from having fools for opponents. They honestly expected Obama to one-up them with Medicare cuts, and are hurt he doesn't feel the same way about Grandma as they do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2011, 12:18:19 AM
These guys...

(http://i.imgur.com/yA83n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2011, 03:59:13 PM
So the Reps voted to gut medicare. The Dems couldn't have asked for a better early Christmas present. Hopefully they don't fuck it up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 15, 2011, 11:04:42 PM
I bet they won't.

Also, lol at the voting snafu today
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 03:25:23 PM
Quote
I'm sorry if my email offended anyone. I simply found it amusing regarding the character of Obama and all the questions surrounding his origin of birth. In no way did I even consider the fact he's half black when I sent out the email. In fact, the thought never entered my mind until one or two other people tried to make this about race. We all know a double standard applies regarding this president. I received plenty of emails about George Bush that I didn't particularly like yet there was no 'cry' in the media about them. One only has to go to Youtube or Google Images to see a plethora or lampooning videos and pictures of Obama, Bush and other politicians. That being said, I will NOT resign my central committee position over this matter that the average person knows and agrees is much to do about nothing. Again, for those select few who might be truly offended by viewing a copy of an email I sent to a select list of friends and acquaintances, unlike the liberal left when they do the same, I offer my sincere apologies to you--the email was not meant for you. For any of my friends or acquaintances who were the recipients of my email and were truly offended, please call me so I may offer a sincere verbal apology to you
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orange_co_goper_my_obama-as-chimp_pic_was_just_a_birther_joke_meant_for_my_friends.php?ref=fpb

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
*bushmonkey.jpg* libtards did it first. /beardo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Beardo: I like Mr Rothstein but he's a money grubbing, greedy bastard. All he cares about is dollar signs
Mandark: That's anti-semetic and quite offensive
Beardo: Actually I did not take his Jewish heritage into account until you brought it up, why do you make everything about race *drops drink on floor*, now clean this up
*Mandark mops floor*

Beardo being the college professor and Mandark being the genius janitor of course
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 18, 2011, 03:56:12 PM
Wait, what makes you think the e-mail had anything to do with race? Maybe it was to show that tea baggers believe in evolution too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 04:28:55 PM
Jesus.  That "apology" reads like she just invented passive-aggressiveness and was in a hurry to show it off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
I really can't wait until Beardo gets here. Maybe we should edit posts so he doesn't suspect we know what he's gonna do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
C'mon, Billy.  She got close enough to the quote, for all intensive purposes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2011, 05:04:57 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 18, 2011, 05:31:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 04:39:49 PM
C'mon, Billy.  She got close enough to the quote, for all intensive purposes.

Well played, sir.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 18, 2011, 07:43:23 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-18/standard-poor-s-puts-negative-outlook-on-u-s-rating.html

This clashes directly with the Obama cult set's "It's ok to have lots of debt and it is totally ok to pile up more!" that I've seen bandied about on PoliGAF and other places.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
Can't the US just buy a AAA rating from Moody's like the big funds? (http://i43.tinypic.com/nqu0s7.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 07:55:55 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 18, 2011, 07:43:23 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-18/standard-poor-s-puts-negative-outlook-on-u-s-rating.html

This clashes directly with the Obama cult set's "It's ok to have lots of debt and it is totally ok to pile up more!" that I've seen bandied about on PoliGAF and other places.

The rating has more to do with the looming debt limit vote than concern over deficits; the last time the US received a negative outlook was in 1996 when there was also concern over extremists not raising the debt limit.

I don't see many people making the comments you're talking about in that thread. And from an economic perspective they wouldn't be far off the mark anyway. During a recession a government should spent more money to stimulate the economy - not cut spending and taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 18, 2011, 08:00:17 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 18, 2011, 07:43:23 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-18/standard-poor-s-puts-negative-outlook-on-u-s-rating.html

This clashes directly with the Obama cult set's "It's ok to have lots of debt and it is totally ok to pile up more!" that I've seen bandied about on PoliGAF and other places.

Having a healthy economy leading to better revenues >>>> Cut spending to prosperity!!!

Also debt is more than fine, as long as you have a healthy economy to absorb it.

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 18, 2011, 07:45:43 PM
Can't the US just buy a AAA rating from Moody's like the big funds? (http://i43.tinypic.com/nqu0s7.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 18, 2011, 07:43:23 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-18/standard-poor-s-puts-negative-outlook-on-u-s-rating.html

This clashes directly with the Obama cult set's "It's ok to have lots of debt and it is totally ok to pile up more!" that I've seen bandied about on PoliGAF and other places.

Government Bond Prices Rise Despite S&P Warning (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=13400855)

Putting aside that you're an awesome freethinker while everyone else are sheeple, the debt problem ain't that bad.

Debt is currently rising relative to GDP because of 1) structural changes from the last Bush administration (tax cuts, Medicare Part D, and tax cuts again) and because of the weak economy.  The structural changes to get back to equilibrium aren't that bad (going back to Clinton-era tax rates gets you almost there, IIRC).

Right now the US is selling bonds at historically low interest rates.  If those rates go up, that could cause things to spiral, but interest rates going up would be a sign that the economy has recovered, and the debt would be much less of a worry anyway.

Really, I'm less worried about the debt than I am about people in the financial sector trying to use bond ratings as a cudgel to steer governments towards their own preferred policies (which isn't that scary either, and which doesn't seem to be the case here).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 18, 2011, 08:35:12 PM
It also needs to be reiterated that holding debt makes inflation awesomer, while you'll never hear it from the debt holders. They only stand to lose from inflation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 08:54:26 PM
Beck going out with a bang
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/18/beck-kill-power-shift/

What's up with the Van Jones hate on the right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2011, 09:51:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 08:54:26 PM
What's up with the Van Jones hate on the right?

Son, take a seat and let me tell you the story of a lady named Lani Guinier...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2011, 09:57:18 PM
...so Clinton nominated her because she was black? That wasn't nice, poppa ToxicAdam
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 18, 2011, 10:45:27 PM
In other news, Donald Trump supported universal health care:

Quote
"We must have universal healthcare," wrote Trump. "I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses."

The goal of health care reform, wrote Trump, should be a system that looks a lot like Canada. "Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork," he writes.


http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supports-national-health-care-2011-4 (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supports-national-health-care-2011-4)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 18, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
Yeah, but that was back before the entire Republican party apparently decided to go Teatard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 18, 2011, 11:26:53 PM
i wish someone else would announce theyre running so itd be easier for me to ignore that fuckface
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2011, 12:13:20 AM
Don't worry, his tv show ends soon so he'll stop pretending that he's running.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 19, 2011, 02:16:28 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 18, 2011, 11:12:50 PM
Yeah, but that was back before the entire Republican party apparently decided to go Teatard.

Apparently half of Iowa Republicans believe that Osama bin Barack al-Jihad wasn't born in the US:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53417.html

Quote
Don't worry, his tv show ends soon so he'll stop pretending that he's running.

I agree; I wouldn't be surprised if this attempt to run is a way for him to shore up ratings.  I mean, it is why Bristol Palin gets asked to do anything media related.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2011, 02:22:27 PM
He's not running
[youtube=560,345]m1JAZwOSA1s[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 19, 2011, 03:14:24 PM
Donald Trump is as much of a businessman as he is a media personality.  He is just doing this for his own amusement and possibly to get ratings boosts.  This is the 5th time he's announced that he was going to run for office.  I think people are taking him somewhat seriously and giving him attention because of the total lack of qualified GOP candidates that are interested in running for office.  To be honest, I don't even know why the GOP would even bother getting someone out there.  I wonder if this is how the Democrats felt in 1984.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2011, 03:50:39 PM
Trump likes the attention.  He won't run.


Anyway, for your perusal, Roy Edroso completely eviscerates (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/04/48_percent_of_iowa_republicans.html) the Atlas Shrugged movie.  I'm c/ping the whole thing cause it's too good.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
UNMITIGATED GALT. Whatever understandable prejudice you might have against Ayn Rand, you have to admit that the giant concrete block of her novel on which Atlas Shrugged: Part I is based could make a movie of some sort.

Consider all that happens in it: Dagny Taggart, who wants her family's railroad to succeed on its own merits, is opposed by her weakling brother James, who prefers that it succeed via corrupt influences. Conglomerate head Henry Rearden wants success on his own terms, too, but is opposed by, well, the whole wide world, which instinctually recoils at his greatness. These two superior beings inevitably meet, are inevitably attracted to each other, and inevitably couple, after which they together work to find the solution to their mutual dilemma.

OK, it's ridiculous, but no more so than Rand's The Fountainhead, out of which King Vidor, Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal made a silly and operatic but perfectly entertaining film.

That was what I hoped for as I watched the thing last night, because as much fun as it is to slag rotten movies, it is much better to be surprised by a good one, especially when you've reached the stage in life where two hours in front of a stinker sets you dreaming of the warm couch and leftover sesame chicken that you left back home. But it is my great regret to inform you that Atlas Shrugged: Part I is neither good nor good-bad, but bad-bad-bad-bad. I dreamed, not of sesame chicken, but of my own swift and merciful death, and that of the director, not necessarily in that order. It is not a pleasurable surprise, not a hoot, nor an outrage; it is Rand's granite crushed, reconstituted, and spread across the screen with steamrollers.

Taggart and Rearden are supposed to be important and accomplished producers of wealth, but we never see them doing anything productive. Rearden smiles as he watches steel poured in his foundry, and Taggart walks around purposefully with folders, but neither is shown engaged in actual work. In fact the filmmakers seem to go out of their way to avoid showing it: At one point Taggart appears outdoors at a worksite, and Rearden compliments her on her easy manner with the workers, but we never see Taggart actually interacting with them.

It's as if the filmmakers couldn't imagine such a thing (nor can I: "Hello, factotum, your brute strength is useful to my enterprise, keep up the good work!"). In fact, it's as if they thought that the sight of either character doing anything like what real executives do would spoil the effect. Because executives make deals, and Taggart and Rearden can't deal with anyone but each other; the only thing like negotiation they perform is their own meet-cute, in which haggling over price becomes a romantic pas des deux. Everyone else they encounter, besides subordinates, is unworthy of their efforts, and thus can only be browbeaten or belittled.

Consistent though this may be with Objectivist mythology -- noble producers standing among, but not of, ignoble looters -- it destroys any opportunity for actual drama. Atlas Shrugged has several villains, yet none of them is allowed to effectively challenge Ragny Dearden. The union boss and the government factotum are wusses who are easily glowered down; the director of the State Science Institute -- "the last science center on earth," we are informed, all the others having presumably been turned into global warming propaganda centers -- only appears to tell us how pathetic he is; and the D.C. players never even get to meet Tagny Raggart. It's like a version of The Dark Knight in which the Joker says "I don't understand you, Batman," and Batman says, "I don't think you'll ever understand, Joker," and the Joker slouches off to get drunk at the Ebbitt Grill while Batman smiles at his glistening Batmobile.

The short shrift given the D.C. mob especially annoyed me, because their ringleader Mouch is played by the wonderful actor Michael Lerner, whom I thought might at least do something interesting if given a big confrontation scene with one of the principals, instead of being left to sit around being superbad with the other bad guys. In fact, Lerner is not even allowed to be interesting in his own milieu; when Taggart's supertrain succeeds, we see Mouch hearing the news on the phone; I hoped his pause before reacting presaged an explosion of some kind. Then he spoke as if nothing much had happened, and it became painfully obvious that Lerner had just been waiting for a cue, and that the phone voice had ended a beat too soon -- which is the opposite of what anyone should be noticing in a scene like that.

This setup does no favors to the actors playing Dagden and Rearly, either. Taylor Schilling and Grant Bowler show some chemistry in their negotiation duet, but after that they aren't allowed do much with one another until their ghastly sex scene. They show interest and admiration, but actual romance was presumably deemed too weakly looter-human for them. (In early scenes, Bowler actually starts to give Schilling a puppy-dog look, before dialing it back to something more suggestive of colonic irritation.) We've all seen movies in which lovers are obliged to restrain their feelings for one another (Cousin Cousine and Remains of the Day come to mind), but this is the only one I can think of in which, once the lovers finally have their night of passion, they emerge pledged to mutual pursuit of a perpetual motion machine.

(Rearden's married, by the way. This is quickly dismissed as an impediment, because he and his wife hate each other. There's so much wrong with the movie that I can't even care about the morality of this, but I do wonder whether South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford was thinking about Atlas Shrugged when he went hiking with his true love on the South American-Appalachian Trail.)

The movie is so starved of humanity that the big turning-point scenes are about as thrilling as a Congressional budget negotiation. When the supertrain goes on its controversial trip over the bridge, we know that the bad guys want it to fail, and that the good guys want it to succeed. Drama, right? But not only are the good guys incapable of failure -- they're incapable of doubt, too. Not even the guy who's driving the train seems worried. So the train accelerates (the fastest any train has ever gone in America!), it approaches the bridge, we cross-cut, see the wheels going around, and -- guess what? It succeeds, just like we always knew it would. If the soundtrack swells it's only so we can't hear D.W. Griffith spinning in his grave.

There is only one moment of true feeling and drama in the whole movie. Reardon has made a bracelet out of his precious supermetal for his hated wife, who doesn't understand it/him; at a party, said wife expresses her contempt for the bracelet to Taggart; Taggart impulsively offers to trade it for her expensive necklace. Suddenly, for a couple of seconds, the actors come alive -- because they at last have an ambiguity to play: A simple transaction that has deep emotional meaning underneath. The movie comes alive, too, because we have been wrenched from our preordained path onto something vivid, theatrical, and mysterious. Then Rearden interrupts, and Atlas Shrugged gets back on the supertrain to nowhere.

Other observations:

- The country at the time of the film (2016) is in some kind of chaos which is not well explained -- the Middle East is in crisis, gas is absurdly expensive, and plane travel is moribund, which somewhat justifies the otherwise perplexing and anachronistic interest in railroads. Poverty is widespread, signified by beggars and trash fires. No attempt is made to tie all this together, but it is also suggested that the nation has been given over to sociamalism -- the opening montage shows protesters marching with signs touting those twin menaces, Martin Luther King and communism, and the D.C. guys talk about sharing the wealth in ways that have never been heard in Washington, nor anywhere in the United States except perhaps Louisiana in the time of Huey Long. I suppose this is the film's Tea Party tell, but I notice that it seems not to affect the actions of the principals in any direct way. This is made comically clear when Taggart, dressed in fancy duds, bolts from her brother's limo and walks home through an urban hobo jungle. I know the filmmakers were in a rush, but I marvel that they resisted the temptation to have Taggart explain her natural superiority to a bum, after which he would cower before the force of her logic instead of raping her and taking her purse.

- A shadowy figure appears at intervals to give the good Galt news to select entrepreneurs. (Sample pitch: "I'm simply offering you a society that rewards individual achievement.") His targets then "go Galt," vanishing to be met up with at the Gulch later in the series. The last to slip the surly bonds of socialism in this film is the fat white guy who gets screwed by Taggart's brother and later becomes Dagny's and Rearden's best pal. He leaves his oil fields behind with a sign saying "I am leaving it as I found it" -- though when he acquired the property, it was probably not, as he leaves it here, in flames (to be put out by the union-looter fire department), nor unsuitable for any future use. But I expect the TP people will nod with understanding at his self-evident producer-wisdom.

- It strikes me that the heroes of this series are enabled in their Galt-going journey by an as-yet unseen super-metal and a perpetual motion machine discovered behind a hidden door. The secret ingredient in Rand's Objectivist tale is magic beans.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 19, 2011, 08:09:05 PM
While the movie investors and producers are thinking that they are going to do great justice to the book and libertarianism, I can't help but think it will turn many more people off to their cause. Even make them look worse off than prior to the movie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 19, 2011, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2011, 02:22:27 PM
He's not running
[youtube=560,345]m1JAZwOSA1s[/youtube]

Those never get old.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:12:53 AM
Serious answer to the Van Jones question.I didn't follow it closely, so I'm not sure if he's a bete noir for conservatives generally or just a fetish for Beck, or even most of the specifics of Beck's beef.

But the gist I get is that the information people got/chose to believe about Jones painted him as a 9/11 Truther who wanted to use government programs to redistribute wealth to groups that he felt had been wronged in the US.  Basically, someone who "hates America", or sees traditional settled American society as a bad or oppressive force which needs to be overthrown.

He became a popular target, like Ayers, like Wright, like Ward Churchill, like the caricature of Guinier that was presented to the public, because it made conservatives say "A ha! I knew it!"  It confirmed their suspicion that liberals had an ulterior motive behind all the happy-talk, and apparently the real (radical, hateful) agenda was out in the open.  Ask TA about what environmentalists really want sometime.

It can be pretty hard to accept that someone harbors, sincerely and without malice, beliefs that oppose or threaten your worldview.  It's much easier to ignore what they're saying and speculate on their true, hidden beliefs instead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:37:07 AM
Of course I could get a massive tu quoque thrown back in my face, esp with the Tea Party/racism thing.

Politicians, activists, and even powerless blowhards like myself very often aren't totally honest about their motives.  That ranges from a bit of self-delusion to deliberate vagueness to sometimes outright lying.

I know that if someone is hiding what they really think it shouldn't matter.  If they're wrong, they won't be able to construct a good rationalization to defend their position, and you can rebut it yadda yadda.  But that doesn't actually work.  You wind up tracking down links on Google for half an hour and re-explaining fiat currency to someone who doesn't want to hear that shit.

So there really should be a happy medium between playing the naive internet idealist and being the person who keeps berating others to admit that they're really a bunch of spiteful monsters now that you've found a quote from some guy at a protest march who speaks as the voice of everyone who was ever registered with the same party affiliation as them.

Maybe I swing back and forth on where that medium is, but whateva.  I contain multitudes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:42:12 AM
And I'm totally scratching my itch to talk politics here cause a libertarian FB friend of Prole, who seems like a nice enough young man and reasonable as far as it goes, made some very Libertarian 101 comments, and as a well-adjusted and socially aware adult I'm not going to pull a Boogie and start a torturous back-and-forth in the middle of someone else's status update.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:44:40 AM
True, and yet it seems like there are a host of liberal characters who fit similar descriptions without maintaining the levels of ire Jones receives. Sure there aren't many who have ties to 911 trutherism, however slight (iirc he didn't know the paper he signed had anything to do with the conspiracy.

On a side note, just a few years ago there were plenty of republicans who were on the same page in many areas as Jones with respect to climate change, Oh how time flies
Title: Shoulda just listened to Rygar
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:59:38 AM
I was going to ask if he really does get more hate, but I just searched for "Van Jones" and got 7k+ hits on nationalreview.com, compared with about 400 for "Ward Churchill".

So yeah, it's cause he's black.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 03:10:23 AM
Ha, I guess so.
[youtube=560,345]vO-D-ZeqN5U[/youtube]
edit: you'd think conservatives would love that "black kids get help but white kids get ignored" argument

On facebook, I've muddied up someone's wall twice: once over birther shit, the other over health care nonsense. Not a good idea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 03:46:36 AM
For serious, even if you're keeping it a lot more polite and respectful than you would on a message board, FB just ain't the place to play debate club.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 11:28:20 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110419/ap_on_re_us/us_capes_for_the_unemployed (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110419/ap_on_re_us/us_capes_for_the_unemployed)
Quote
ORLANDO, Fla. – Florida officials are investigating an unemployment agency that spent public money to give 6,000 superhero capes to the jobless.
Workforce Central Florida spent more than $14,000 on the red capes as part of its "Cape-A-Bility Challenge" public relations campaign. The campaign featured a cartoon character, "Dr. Evil Unemployment," who needs to be vanquished.
Florida's unemployment agency director asked Monday for an investigation of the regional operation's spending after the Orlando Sentinel published a story about the program. State director Cynthia Lorenzo said the spending appeared to be "insensitive and wasteful."
Workforce Central Florida Director Gary J. Earl defends the program, saying it is part of a greater effort to connect with the community. The agency says it served 210,000 people during its last fiscal year, placing nearly 59,000 in jobs.


I'm actually really happy that the state offers this kind of safety net. I mean, what would you do if you found yourself unemployed and without a red hero cape?
 ???


spoiler (click to show/hide)
:piss taxpayers
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2011, 01:34:02 PM
Blame the cape makers lobbyist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 01:57:16 PM
I think what I said about bete noirs also applies to things like this.  "I knew all social welfare spending was wasteful!  This $14k in Florida just proves it!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 20, 2011, 01:57:58 PM
OH. MY. GOD.

a state agency spent a negligable amount of money on a dopey sounding but well meaning Promotion of Their Sole Duty.
If only that 14K was spent on radio ads, or bus stop posters.  Or something else there wouldn't be any story at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 02:22:55 PM
Heaven forbid that money is actually used to create jobs. I guess red capes is the next best thing. You act like this is the only waste of tax payer money.

 As I have always said, your mental gymnastics to apologize for such waste of money is actually more damning than the actual waste of said money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:27:53 PM
what's worse Beardo, $14k to empower poor people by giving them capes - or $500k to defend the defense of marriage act?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 02:27:59 PM
No you're right guys. I thought about it and Red Capes are the best use of $14,000. I told my broker to go ahead and invest my nest egg into Red Capes now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2011, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 02:22:55 PM
Heaven forbid that money is actually used to create jobs.

Quote
The agency says it served 210,000 people during its last fiscal year, placing nearly 59,000 in jobs.

 ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:27:53 PM
what's worse Beardo, $14k to empower poor people by giving them capes - or $500k to defend the defense of marriage act?

$14k to empower poor people by giving them capes
$14k to empower poor people by giving them capes
empower poor people by giving them capes

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:rofl
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2011, 02:30:55 PM
They spent $14k to promote their agency? How reprehensible!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
:bow Other people's money :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:34:45 PM
You're against empowering poor people? jesus christ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2011, 02:39:04 PM
Quote from: Beardo on April 20, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
:bow Other people's money :bow2

Yeah, totally, it's not like the US Army spends millions of dollars on NASCAR promotion and commercials that air before movies at the theater and on TV! This unemployment agency needs to wise up and stop spending their money on pointless promotional nonsense, like the other branches of the government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:41:19 PM
I wish there were bigger font sizes available, so I could understand Beardo better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
Jennifer Granholm was a horrible governor and paved the way for Snyder to sneak in with little to no scrutiny. Lots of people were infatuated with the nerd persona (*cough* cheebs *cough*), and I didn't know who he was until a couple weeks before the election; I must admit it was kind of uninteresting considering the election results were a given months before the election. Buut now republicans control the entire state, and have basically been taking shit over. Snyder seems a lot smarter than Scott Walker in Wisconsin, who's making a lot of noise as he remakes the state. Whereas Snyder is quietly taking over. heh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 20, 2011, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on April 20, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42654363#42654363 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42654363#42654363)
 :'(

:'( indeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on April 20, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42654363#42654363 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42654363#42654363)
 :'(

Jesus, that's fucked up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 20, 2011, 02:55:28 PM
 :lol :lol

"Surely one of these ads interests you.  Pick one or we'll pick one for you"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 20, 2011, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:51:32 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on April 20, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42654363#42654363 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42654363#42654363)
 :'(


Jesus, that's fucked up.



straight outta robocop. minus the robot cop.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 03:06:35 PM
Speaking of disenfranchised poor black people, how was statehood for DC not even considered when Dems had control of both houses?  From a purely cynical political perspective that shoulda been a slam dunk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 20, 2011, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 20, 2011, 02:42:12 AM
and as a well-adjusted and socially aware adult I'm not going to pull a Boogie

Annihilated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 20, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:34:45 PM
You're against empowering poor people? jesus christ

Beardo is one of those self hating white republican poors.  That type of self loathing but dead certain that he will be a millionaire one day so he's gotta support his rich bros!

Edit: I saw the video linked :gloomy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 21, 2011, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 20, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:34:45 PM
You're against empowering poor people? jesus christ

Beardo is one of those self hating white republican poors.  That type of self loathing but dead certain that he will be a millionaire one day so he's gotta support his rich bros!

Edit: I saw the video linked :gloomy

i used to joke about those people, thinking they didn't actually exist, and hoping i would shame folks by way of a cariacature. how wrong i was! in the last ten years, i have met SO MANY LIBERTARIPOORS who really think that they are the potential titans of the future destined to make millions, and it is only the filthy libruls and their taxation and/or handouts that keep their online scentsy candle business or telemarketing vendor shop from taking off, and it is ever so terrifying/depressing. rural america is just one giant case of narcissistic personality disorder. actually, so is the middle class, if my facebook is anything to go by
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 21, 2011, 04:56:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=77rtyQf6Hwk#at=381[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 21, 2011, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 21, 2011, 04:56:12 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=77rtyQf6Hwk#at=381[/youtube]

What am doing in this party?  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 21, 2011, 07:34:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/mitt-romney-haunted-by-past-of-trying-to-help-unin,20097/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on April 22, 2011, 04:33:36 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 21, 2011, 07:34:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/mitt-romney-haunted-by-past-of-trying-to-help-unin,20097/
:lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 22, 2011, 04:51:43 PM
Quote
"I don't think I can vote for someone like that," Pennsylvania Republican Eric Tolbert said. "He says he's sorry, but how do I know that's the real Mitt Romney? What happens if he gets elected and tries to help sick people again?"

"I like Michele Bachmann now," Tolbert added. "Because what this country needs is a president who doesn't give a fuck about helping people."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 24, 2011, 06:03:37 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on April 21, 2011, 12:40:40 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 20, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2011, 02:34:45 PM
You're against empowering poor people? jesus christ

Beardo is one of those self hating white republican poors.  That type of self loathing but dead certain that he will be a millionaire one day so he's gotta support his rich bros!

Edit: I saw the video linked :gloomy

i used to joke about those people, thinking they didn't actually exist, and hoping i would shame folks by way of a cariacature. how wrong i was! in the last ten years, i have met SO MANY LIBERTARIPOORS who really think that they are the potential titans of the future destined to make millions, and it is only the filthy libruls and their taxation and/or handouts that keep their online scentsy candle business or telemarketing vendor shop from taking off, and it is ever so terrifying/depressing. rural america is just one giant case of narcissistic personality disorder. actually, so is the middle class, if my facebook is anything to go by


One of my closest childhood friends does nothing but rant about this shit on Facebook. I'm tempted to unfriend him, but his ranting has become an entertaining train wreck that I can't look away from.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 24, 2011, 07:07:50 PM
I have a poor Republican friend who makes $9 an hour with a side business drawing animals.  He seriously believes that the tax codes and Obamacare are the reasons why his drawing business hasn't taken off like he thought it would.  I guess he believes that if people didn't have to fork over up to 35% of their income in taxes, they would spend that money on his shitty dog and cat pictures instead.  It's mindblowing but those are the little delusions that keep the Nobamatards continually outraged that 5% of the federal budget goes towards NPR.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2011, 12:43:18 PM
Just saw this linked today :lol

From 2 YEARS AGO

Quote from: http://www.theonion.com/articles/afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta,6866/
Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta

August 27, 2009 | ISSUE 45•35

WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2011, 12:53:55 PM
I can't believe that this is STILL an issue.

Well, I CAN, but it still boggled my mind.

Edit: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLwU-RlIyzUA_sZCs1KLt6WiKmCA?docId=292f4280ef89473ca40a7329ce4cc829

Quote
"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."

Obama graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science after transferring from Occidental College in California. He went on to Harvard Law School, where he graduated magna cum laude 1991 and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.

Obama's 2008 campaign did not release his college transcripts, and in his best-selling memoir, "Dreams From My Father," Obama indicated he hadn't always been an academic star. Trump told the AP that Obama's refusal to release his college grades were part of a pattern of concealing information about himself.

"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president."


Anyone want to make the case that the implications here aren't racial?  Anyone?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2011, 07:03:31 PM
So he is inferring that Obama got into Harvard cause he's black?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
Pretty much.

Either that, or Obama was placed into Harvard as part of a decades-long conspiracy perpetrated by the Illuminati/ZOG/Roger Sterling from the Adjustment Bureau.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2011, 07:20:30 PM
No birth certificate, terrible student, had someone else write his book for him. What's next?

and how does a terrible student become editor of the Harvard Law Review
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2011, 04:56:39 PM
Ezra Klein calls Obama a moderate Republican. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-revealed-a-moderate-republican/2011/04/25/AFPrGfkE_allComments.html?ctab=all_&#weighIn) Ezra Klein, as usual, is late to the party. (http://alphanovus.org/?p=256) :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
Apropos of that, here's Rick Perlstein obliterating the Nixon-as-liberal meme (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/father-epa-environmentalists-bunch-damned-animals) that used to come mainly from conservatives looking to disassociate themselves from him, but now is popular among Greenwald-style liberals.

Skimming Klein's piece, it illustrates how politicians' alleged positions are temporary and influenced by the pressures around them.  It's not really useful in determining what constitutes a conservative or liberal approach to an issue.  Not that it matters.  Plenty of people will label each and every decision as draconian socialism or sellout corporatism regardless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 26, 2011, 11:59:30 PM
Exactly.  Before Reagan, Republicans pretty much gave lip service to the notion that government was an essential part of society, the rich should pay more in taxes, the social safety net should exist, etc etc because they HAD TO.  Now, in the era of Michelle Bachmann, the argument is probably over whether to abolish the income tax or gas all of the queers first, because 30 years of successfully changing the tenor of the national conversation ALLOWS them to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 12:18:20 AM
but a republican freed the slaves!

Pearlstein :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2011, 12:33:28 AM
If you want to see how political rhetoric has changed in the US, compare the keynote speech Ted Kennedy gave at the Democratic convention in 1980 to the one Obama gave in 2008 accepting the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 27, 2011, 09:33:05 AM
Obama released his birth certificate.  :o

Birthers owned, yet they'll spin it some way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 27, 2011, 11:15:22 AM
I've never given much credence to the "Whow, Nixon was a liberal wasn't he" game. He wasn't an ideologue but he was a survivor, and didn't mind riding the political tides even while he was wanting to ratfuck the hippies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on April 27, 2011, 11:24:01 AM
they faked the moon landing, they can fake this

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 27, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
For those who need more proof:
(http://pandagon.net/images/uploads/COLMKBTWL.gif)

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B-Rock"The Islamic Shock" Hussein Superallah Obama :rofl :rofl
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2011, 12:43:38 PM
Man, I was sure back in 2008 that once Obama had been president for a while and hadn't sent the white people to concentration camps that everyone would calm down and I'd be able to have a nice laugh about it with my conservative acquaintances.

Oops.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2011, 12:47:45 PM
The whole birther/bad student angle really numbs my brain. We know what Obama is about, his policies and positions aren't some secret anymore, he's been the president of the country for more than two years now!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 01:32:52 PM
Oh thanks a lot, White House, I'm sure this will be the final nail in the birther movement!

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orly_taitz_obamas_long-form_birth_certificate_should_say_negro_not_african.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 27, 2011, 02:00:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 01:32:52 PM
Oh thanks a lot, White House, I'm sure this will be the final nail in the birther movement!

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orly_taitz_obamas_long-form_birth_certificate_should_say_negro_not_african.php?ref=fpblg

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Oily Taints for preznit! 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 02:08:08 PM
GOP candidates are probably happy Obama threw them a life line. Now they can focus on other fringe, crazy shit - at least until 2014 when it's time to revive birtherism to win back the house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2011, 02:33:21 PM
They'll probably just use it to prove that Obama is weak-willed and easily distracted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 03:18:29 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/TheOnion/statuses/63291247623798784 (https://twitter.com/#!/TheOnion/statuses/63291247623798784)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 03:52:07 PM
Can't wait for Trump's response to the document. Just two days ago he said the certificate was missing from the hospital, according to his investigators. In order to remain consistent he has to proclaim this a fake. Or he can drop the issue and ride the wave into the primaries.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2011, 03:53:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 03:52:07 PM
Can't wait for Trump's response to the document.

He's crowing about how this is a big victory for him and about how it was his pressure that forced Obama to release the birth certificate.

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On Wednesday, Trump took credit in the White House's decision to release the president's birth records. "I am really honored to play such a big role in hopefully, hopefully getting rid of this issue," he said.

"Today I'm very proud of myself, because I've accomplished something that no one else has been able to accomplish," said Trump on the release of the president's birth certificate, according to NBC News. "I want to look at it, but I hope it's true. ... But he should have done it a long time ago."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/donald-trump-obama-birth-_n_854267.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on April 27, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
so what if he is an American? he was bad at school. terrible.  I hurd thangs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 04:02:52 PM
I saw that response, I'm talking about his actual response after seeing the document.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 27, 2011, 04:43:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 04:02:52 PM
I saw that response, I'm talking about his actual response after seeing the document.

He was never serious about this whole thing anyway. It was just an attempt to troll and curry favor with a demented section of the population in the unlikely event he tries to run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2011, 05:29:43 PM
Can't wait for Colbert tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 27, 2011, 05:39:46 PM
Obama dun got trolled by a fringe movement.  Now instead of griping about the birth certificate, now it will be about his grades.

I thought he was better than this to be honest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on April 27, 2011, 05:53:27 PM
wow, T-Rump.  smh.



the cunt didn't even mention the royal wedding as a more important issue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2011, 07:30:45 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/30549/palin1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 27, 2011, 08:54:30 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 27, 2011, 05:39:46 PM
Obama dun got trolled by a fringe movement.  Now instead of griping about the birth certificate, now it will be about his grades.

I thought he was better than this to be honest.

he's been successfully trolled into action by james o'keefe and breitbart. his capitulation to the trolls on this issue should surprise no-one!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2011, 09:39:48 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 26, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
Apropos of that, here's Rick Perlstein obliterating the Nixon-as-liberal meme (http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/father-epa-environmentalists-bunch-damned-animals) that used to come mainly from conservatives looking to disassociate themselves from him, but now is popular among Greenwald-style liberals.

Skimming Klein's piece, it illustrates how politicians' alleged positions are temporary and influenced by the pressures around them.  It's not really useful in determining what constitutes a conservative or liberal approach to an issue.  Not that it matters.  Plenty of people will label each and every decision as draconian socialism or sellout corporatism regardless.

I don't think that when liberals credit Nixon with doing liberal things, that they're trying to imply he did it out of the goodness of his heart. Whatever contempt he may have had for say, environmentalists, it's pretty moot since he DID wind up creating the EPA.

And in the end, isn't it really the results that matter? Does one really care if a president genuinely wanted to do whatever he could to help poor people, if in the end he did something like eliminating welfare?

Road to hell is paved with good intentions...

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Obama dun got trolled by a fringe movement.  Now instead of griping about the birth certificate, now it will be about his grades.

I thought he was better than this to be honest.

Yeah, I thought this would be one of the few things where Obama would stand his ground, or at the very least just ignore these fucks. Wonder what the next distinguished mentally-challenged conspiracy theory will be after this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
Also, good thing this release will finally put the issue to rest:

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Texas state legislator Leo Berman, a Republican, has introduced a bill that would require proof of citizenship from presidential candidates. It's one of many such bills in the states. And according to Sharon Guthrie, Berman's legislative director, it is still on the table, because the long-form birth certificate released by the White House today does not satisfy its requirements.

"What I've seen online, what they produced today, still says certificate of live birth across the top," she told me. And she's right.

But why isn't that just a nomenclature issue? Why does it matter?

"We want to see a 'birth certificate,'" Guthrie explained. "The one that we have that says 'birth certificate' is from Mombassa, Kenya, with his footprint on it. He has still not produced an American birth certificate."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/029157.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2011, 10:48:07 PM
I think we're ignoring the real issue here. His mom's name is Stanley? Sounds like his dad gay married a cheeseburger. Donald Trump, make him show us his mom's birth certificate!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2011, 10:53:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 27, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
Also, good thing this release will finally put the issue to rest:

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Texas state legislator Leo Berman, a Republican, has introduced a bill that would require proof of citizenship from presidential candidates. It's one of many such bills in the states. And according to Sharon Guthrie, Berman's legislative director, it is still on the table, because the long-form birth certificate released by the White House today does not satisfy its requirements.

"What I've seen online, what they produced today, still says certificate of live birth across the top," she told me. And she's right.

But why isn't that just a nomenclature issue? Why does it matter?

"We want to see a 'birth certificate,'" Guthrie explained. "The one that we have that says 'birth certificate' is from Mombassa, Kenya, with his footprint on it. He has still not produced an American birth certificate."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_04/029157.php

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 12:49:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 27, 2011, 09:39:48 PM
I don't think that when liberals credit Nixon with doing liberal things, that they're trying to imply he did it out of the goodness of his heart. Whatever contempt he may have had for say, environmentalists, it's pretty moot since he DID wind up creating the EPA.

And in the end, isn't it really the results that matter? Does one really care if a president genuinely wanted to do whatever he could to help poor people, if in the end he did something like eliminating welfare?

Road to hell is paved with good intentions...

First, cause I'm apparently getting no click-through:

Quote from: Rick Perlstein
In the end, the EPA was a sort of confidence game. The new agency represented not a single new penny in federal spending for the environment. It did, however, newly concentrate bureaucracies previously scattered through vast federal bureaucracy under a single administrator loyal to the White House—the better to control them.


Second, my point is that presidents operate within the constraints of their times.  This is a premise constantly being rejected by the Greenwald/Taibbi set, who are only too happy to explain because Obama Policy X was once given lip service by Republican Y that it's inherently conservative and reveals Obama's True Self as a corporatist shill or whatever.

Hell, just a couple weeks ago you were calling Obamacare "far right wing" based on the same unlogic.


And now everyone's like "oh no Obama caved and made a concession by showing his birth certificate".  Which is amazing, cause when John Kerry ignored the swiftboaters, I don't remember the liberal grassroots praising him for "standing up to them".  If you want a strong daddy figure, go to a fuckin' leather bar.  Leave my politix geekery alone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2011, 01:15:17 AM
I dunno Mandark, I think the fact that NO ONE has gone to a federal ass poundin prison for the economic collapse other than a guy who (SHOCKER!) stole from OTHER RICH PEOPLE tells you all you need to know about this country's priorities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 01:43:01 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/the-shocking-truth-about-the-birthplace-of-obamas-policies/2011/04/15/AF6qINpE_blog.html

explain that, mandork
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 02:08:56 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 28, 2011, 01:15:17 AM
I dunno Mandark, I think the fact that NO ONE has gone to a federal ass poundin prison for the economic collapse other than a guy who (SHOCKER!) stole from OTHER RICH PEOPLE tells you all you need to know about this country's priorities.

There weren't many convictions for financiers whose speculative zaniness caused the Great Depression either, and that's in the period of US history with the most economic populism.

Personally, I just don't care that much about punishing the people responsible.  It seems way, way less important than blunting the immediate effects of the collapse and reforming the system so it's less likely to happen in the future.

Actually, I'm pretty leery of the torches 'n' pitchforks attitude towards this stuff.  As a way of blowing off steam, sure, go nuts.  There's a big problem with wealth distribution in this country and having a few symbolic villains can be cathartic.  But lots of people seemed to judge important legislation aimed at stabilization (TARP) and reform (FinReg) by the yardstick of pain inflicted on the "banksters".  That's a really dangerous way to think about things that are going to affect a lot of people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2011, 02:13:52 AM
Sure, but I am of the opinion that this is a class of people that are essentially sociopaths, and if they see no risk in certain behaviors they're going to keep repeating them ad infinitum.  Where if you just picked two of their names out of a hat, and nailed them to the NYSE with their balls in their mouths that might send a valuable message about fucking with other people's money.

Also, how did financial regulation of these companies/instruments work out?  Yeah...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 02:14:35 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 28, 2011, 02:13:52 AM
Also, how did financial regulation of these companies/instruments work out?  Yeah...

Wat u talkin bout?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 02:15:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 02:08:56 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 28, 2011, 01:15:17 AM
I dunno Mandark, I think the fact that NO ONE has gone to a federal ass poundin prison for the economic collapse other than a guy who (SHOCKER!) stole from OTHER RICH PEOPLE tells you all you need to know about this country's priorities.

There weren't many convictions for financiers whose speculative zaniness caused the Great Depression either, and that's in the period of US history with the most economic populism.

Personally, I just don't care that much about punishing the people responsible.  It seems way, way less important than blunting the immediate effects of the collapse and reforming the system so it's less likely to happen in the future.

Actually, I'm pretty leery of the torches 'n' pitchforks attitude towards this stuff.  As a way of blowing off steam, sure, go nuts.  There's a big problem with wealth distribution in this country and having a few symbolic villains can be cathartic.  But lots of people seemed to judge important legislation aimed at stabilization (TARP) and reform (FinReg) by the yardstick of pain inflicted on the "banksters".  That's a really dangerous way to think about things that are going to affect a lot of people.

To be fair, that didn't happen with Dodd-Frank
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 02:18:21 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 02:15:31 AM
To be fair, that didn't happen with Dodd-Frank

Oh?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 02:30:24 AM
How does it make a crash less likely in the future?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 02:34:35 AM
Nah, you explain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 02:35:48 AM
You first, Indy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 02:45:42 AM
Seriously, though.  You made a pretty solid statement, and if you're that confident you should back it up rather than retreating into cutesy rhetorical judo.  For what it's worth, I'm actually interested in why you think that and I'll explain after.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2011, 02:49:06 AM
Mandark: I'll address your previous post when I get home in a bit.

Until then, for everyone:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-odonnell-lambastes-orly-taitz-ends-interview/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 03:36:10 AM
Dodd and Frank have claimed it will prevent another "too big to fail scenario" when that's simply not the case. It doesn't limit institution sizes or break them up, and if a bank does fail there are no provisions that ensure tax payer money won't once again bail them out; hell republicans (and democrats) gutted a provision that would have ensured banks are taxed for the money that would go towards financing a liquidation process. Why not look at the Bankruptcy Code to ensure that never happens again? Unfortunately Dodd/Frank didn't do that.

The added transparency to derivative trading is nice, but contains loopholes that are easily exploitable. And the Volcker Rule, which could have helped discourage the risky proprietary money trading was heavily weakened.

What are your thoughts on the resolution authority measure?
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/the-myth-of-resolution-authority/

The bill is not a steaming pile of shit that does nothing; if that was the case, Wall Street wouldn't be trying to get rid of it. But it certainly does not prevent another crisis. Does it blunt the immediate effects of a crisis? Perhaps I shouldn't have bolded that part, because I'm not sure it does
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 04:14:02 AM
I don't have an opinion on that stuff cause I don't understand it, and I'm pretty sure you don't either.

That's not a knock.  I doubt any of the frequent posters to this thread have read this (http://www.scribd.com/doc/53673457/Dodd-Frank-Full-July-21-2010), or have the background to make sense of it if they did.  So we're in this weird epistemological territory of figuring out who to trust.

During the legislative debate I wound up deciding that the guy at Economics Of Contempt knew his stuff substantially better than most of the better-circulated analysts, in part because he caught them out (http://economicsofcontempt.blogspot.com/2010/03/memories.html) pretty frequently, but also because it's his area of expertise, he's able to do analysis pieces without devolving into polemic*, and because I never caught him using those bits of rhetorical sleights-of-hand that I think I've learned to spot fairly well.  He wound up being a very strong proponent of the final bill, and so far that's good enough for me.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 04:27:36 AM
I think that's a good point, and a solid disclaimer for everyone here. I would just point out the question of whether "too big to fail" was addressed in the Dodd-Frank bill is certainly something we can debate, and from what I have read it doesn't.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/03/josh-rosner-dodd-frank-is-a-farce-on-too-big-to-fail.html#Archives

You put me on Economics of Contempt earlier this year iirc; I don't read it religiously but it's a very good blog.

edit: i'm heading to bed, will respond in morning unless Beardo makes an appearance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2011, 05:32:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 12:49:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 27, 2011, 09:39:48 PM
I don't think that when liberals credit Nixon with doing liberal things, that they're trying to imply he did it out of the goodness of his heart. Whatever contempt he may have had for say, environmentalists, it's pretty moot since he DID wind up creating the EPA.

And in the end, isn't it really the results that matter? Does one really care if a president genuinely wanted to do whatever he could to help poor people, if in the end he did something like eliminating welfare?

Road to hell is paved with good intentions...

First, cause I'm apparently getting no click-through:

I DID click the article, SIR!  :maf

...though I just happened to miss that for some reason...

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Second, my point is that presidents operate within the constraints of their times. 

I agree.

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This is a premise constantly being rejected by the Greenwald/Taibbi set, who are only too happy to explain because Obama Policy X was once given lip service by Republican Y that it's inherently conservative and reveals Obama's True Self as a corporatist shill or whatever.

Hell, just a couple weeks ago you were calling Obamacare "far right wing" based on the same unlogic.

Right, I was specifically referring to the individual mandate, forgetting all the other goodies that were included in the plan.

Two things though:

1. Obama supporting something that was given lip service by a republican being inherently conservative? Isn't it the exact opposite what you claim the Greenwald/Taibbi set try and imply?

2. Just because something is liberal by today's standards, doesn't mean it would be liberal by historical standards. Take the tax rates. Taxes on the richest top 2% is 35%, and raising it to something as seemingly inconsequential as 39% is considered communism nowadays. Even though historically, the highest tax rates have gone as high as 94%.   

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And now everyone's like "oh no Obama caved and made a concession by showing his birth certificate".  Which is amazing, cause when John Kerry ignored the swiftboaters, I don't remember the liberal grassroots praising him for "standing up to them".  If you want a strong daddy figure, go to a fuckin' leather bar.  Leave my politix geekery alone.

I praised him for ignoring the swiftboaters.*

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2011, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 28, 2011, 05:32:08 AM
1. Obama supporting something that was given lip service by a republican being inherently conservative? Isn't it the exact opposite what you claim the Greenwald/Taibbi set try and imply?

Huh?  What?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2011, 06:56:40 PM
Obama is probably a liberal personally, but governs from a moderate position on most issues. The health care law, probably his crown achievement/legislation, features a mixture of liberal and conservative ideas. Many of the more market based ideas such as the individual mandate are conservative ideas, as Mitt Romney explained for us back in 08 republican debates. Government subsidies to combat rising health care costs? That's a more liberal position.

Cap and trade is a proposal rooted in market based principles. Today it's considered rapidly liberal.

Then of course you hear Obama's Medicare speech and it seems like yea, dude's totally a liberal. But whenever the budget is done, its final results won't be liberal; they'll probably be center-right, and not because Obama is secretly a republican but because that's all he can do right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2011, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: dcharlie on April 28, 2011, 12:06:44 PM
I cannot remember the last time a real issue was discussed in American politics - constant fucking minor side shows blown out of proportion i assume so no one notices how badly of a cocking 98% of the population are getting.

America, fuck yeah, etc etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 30, 2011, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: dcharlie on April 28, 2011, 12:06:44 PM
I cannot remember the last time a real issue was discussed in American politics - constant fucking minor side shows blown out of proportion i assume so no one notices how badly of a cocking 98% of the population are getting.



That's by design of course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 30, 2011, 08:39:34 PM
I know that it is about a year and a half out but here is an article (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/30/2194649/gop-prospects-dont-light-much.html) that expresses that New Hampshire GOP supporters are having a hard time getting excited about the prospective GOP candidates.  That could mean that whoever gets picked will have a sizable portion of the Republicans pissed off at the decision, resulting in some of them voting for a third party, Democrat, or staying home.  Especially if it is someone like Romney where teabaggers will throw a fit, causing some unrest.

Edit: It was talked about as to why I thought Obama was better than that for showing his birth certificate.  Most birthers are Republicans.  By Obama showing off his birth certificate, all he did was placate a group who was never going to support him in the first place.  It wasn't like birthers would say "Oh, well, i guess he sure showed us!  Obama 2012!!!"  Unsurprisingly, few were left satisfied with some people saying "where's the real birth certificate?" and some are now pushing further, wanting Obama to show off his grades.  I'd venture to say that the vast majority (90%+) of birthers are dyed in the wool racist fucks who think that voting for a black man is voting for a black man to put his BBC in their chaste fair haired teen daughter's ass.  These people were never worth placating.

The Kerry situation is completely different but I too thought that it was best that he never bothered to address it.  The birth certificate and the Swift Boat for Truth or whatever the fuck that was called is just red meat for Republicans and right leaning independents.  These Democrats only stand to lose face if they do something about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 30, 2011, 10:24:00 PM
Republicans are going to vote for the Republican candidate.  Democrats are going to vote for the Democratic candidate.  When it's general election time you've got about six months of candidates and proxies on both sides reminding you about the fundamental differences between the two parties and their supporting coalitions.

You think right wingers are going to pass up a chance to kick Obama out of office?  He was born in Kenya, ferchrissakes!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 12:02:54 AM
There's no way republicans stay home/vote third party instead of voting for Mormon boy. They're going to be voting in droves
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2011, 12:09:47 AM
I honestly think that after almost four years of rabid stupidity in lieu of taking anything seriously, anyone with half a brain and who can admit that we do, in fact, NEED A GOVT. FOR THINGS won't be able to vote Republican.  My uncle, for instance, who for most of his life had been a Republican but voted straight dem in 2008 for the first time is still disgusted with the party and won't vote for them at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 12:15:20 AM
Depends on the economy. Obama hasn't done anything to guarantee a win; people simply aren't happy. Early polls are pretty worthless, but there was an interesting one from Nevada last week with Obama at like 54% of the Latina vote in Nevada - compared to 70% in 08. Hispanics don't have many concrete reasons to support Obama in droves this time...err well outside of the fact that the other party hates their guts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2011, 12:22:16 AM
After Mittens and the rest of the 7 Dwarfs spend months during the primaries trying their darnedest to prove "I hate non-white skinned people the most, PICK ME!" I doubt that will be an issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2011, 12:35:58 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 30, 2011, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: dcharlie on April 28, 2011, 12:06:44 PM
I cannot remember the last time a real issue was discussed in American politics - constant fucking minor side shows blown out of proportion i assume so no one notices how badly of a cocking 98% of the population are getting.



That's by design of course.

By the Illuminati.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 12:48:48 AM
[youtube=560,345]n9mzJhvC-8E[/youtube]

the intro :rofl

edit: michelle obama holy shit :drool

edit: ahaha Obama trolling Trump  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 01:03:21 AM
Was going to edit the above post, but this deserves it's own post:

The president of the United States just played Ol Dirty Bastard at the White House Correspondents Dinner. I can die now knowing I've seen everything there is to possibly see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2011, 01:29:35 AM
:bow Comedian in Chief :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 01, 2011, 01:38:47 AM
It looked like Trump wasn't laughing at the initial joke. Total and complete backfire on his bullshit.

Fox dig was perfect

The whole Trump segment was brilliant

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2011, 01:50:41 AM
McCain's funnier.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 02:07:44 AM
Oh definitely, dude seems more lively whereas Obama's probably like "do I have to go? I'd rather finish this D&D game with the budget guys." But Obama was funny tonight.

And I doubt McCain would rock some ODB
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2011, 02:16:38 AM
Trump's tight-lipped smile as he tries to play the good sport.  :rofl

Yeah, Obama's not humorless or anything, but he doesn't have the delivery that McCain and (weirdly) Bob Dole have.  Decent material which was a lot funnier cause the president was saying it and a bunch of the targets were in the room.

I'm tempted to go over to The Corner and read them qqing about it, but I probably shouldn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2011, 03:20:37 AM
Trump had the exact same expression throughout the ENTIRE video, holy shit. :rofl :rofl :rofl

"If your hair gets any whiter, it'll be endorsed by the Tea Party"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 01, 2011, 10:44:40 AM
"Donald Trump is here tonight. Now, I know that he's taken some flak lately, but no one is prouder to put this birth certificate to rest than The Donald. Now he can get to focusing on the issues that matter. Like, did we fake the moon landing? What really happened at Roswell? And where are Biggie and Tupac?"

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 01, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
What a little bitch (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54037.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2011, 01:37:44 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 01, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
What a little bitch (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54037.html)

What a stuffed shirt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
Quote
obama's philosophy was clearly on some "See i'm usually non-violent, positively vibin, but every now and then you gotta a nikka wanna try ya" type shyt.

fukk donald trump as a man, a business and a corporation. his kids? fukk them too. sarah palin? fukk her too. my fo-fo make sure all bristol's kids don't grow

Trump kept poking him and obama finally snapped
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=3506431
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2011, 05:59:07 PM
Quote
I don't think the American people are having a good time with $5 gas. ... I was thinking to myself as they were doing this, you know, the American people are really suffering and we're all" having fun at a gala.

Then why did you go?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 01, 2011, 08:30:01 PM
Okay, just starting to watch the White House Correspondent's dinner now...

and of course, five seconds in, the President is introduced via Hulk Hogan's "I am a Real American" theme.

I am losing my shit here.... :rofl :rofl

edit: HOLY SHIT OPTIMUS PRIME.....  :punch

Is this going to be the best thing on the internet I've seen since Colbert roasted Bush right in front of him, Bore?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2011, 08:47:51 PM
It's up there with Colbert, for sure. It's hard to decide which one's better though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 01, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
aaand finished.  Yeah, that was great.  Seth Meyers was solid.  10x better than Leno, anyway (though that's a given)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 01, 2011, 10:38:04 PM
The President is making an unannounced statement this late on a Sunday evening? What the hell is coming?

It's apparently related to national security and has nothing to do with Libya. My wife thinks they got Bin Laden, I guess we'll have to wait and see what it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on May 01, 2011, 10:40:38 PM
He is going to announce that episode 3 of game of thrones is out on the intarwebs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2011, 10:44:50 PM
My guess is that he is going to release his grades
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 01, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
Sounds like they've got Bin Laden's body.

If that's true, someone has much better chance of winning in 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 02, 2011, 12:15:52 AM
Can't wait to see trump take credit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2011, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: George Will
Appearing in the Green Room, along with Arianna, Chrystia Freeland and David Stockman, after Sunday's taping of "This Week" with Christiane Amanpour, Will dismissed at the idea that Trump could have a political future.

"He has no future in politics," Will said. "He's a buffoon ... . He's going to come out of this looking like what he is: an overweight, under-educated, silly man."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2011, 12:21:02 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtGfkhnyKPc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2011, 05:47:28 PM
(http://images.dailykos.com/i/user/426/bin-laden-2.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2011, 11:26:51 PM
People are going to forget about this within a month but it should be a nice trump card if some Republicunt accuses Obama of being soft on national security.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2011, 12:31:57 AM
http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201105030005
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2011, 12:48:47 AM
Can't get myself to be too angry at that.  Credit-hogging's a big part of politics, and with Donald Trump still in the picture, this isn't even one of the nuttier examples lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2011, 01:08:14 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/george-w-bush-obama-ground-zero_n_857278.html

i'm digging this "post links instead of quoting entire story" shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2011, 05:00:34 AM
where politics and reality clash
http://thepage.time.com/2011/05/03/halperins-take-mistakes-were-made/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29

Looks like I'll be siding with Donald Rumsfield here. There is no "getting your story straight" with a wave of a magic wand - it takes awhile for all the details to become fully clear. Given the 24 hour nature of the news it would be impossible for them to simply wait until the team was debriefed, then address the media; if they had Halperin would write the exact same article, but replace this point with one about the "slow" WH response to rampant speculation.

On Bush...seriously? Obama's speech was pretty clear about this mission being four years in the making - ie of course the previous administration played a part. Why should he go out of his way to praise others when if the mission failed, Obama would get ALL the blame. And the suggestion that inviting Bush to Ground Zero was some attempt to save face is just stupid.

How exactly would he control the rampant Pakistan speculation? Jesus Christ this man is dumb. Hey Halperin, Bin Laden is dead, a year from now he'll still be dead and no one will remember the petty gripes you brought up to "even out" the glowing coverage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2011, 10:36:24 AM
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/158979-cantor-private-healthcare-rationing-better-than-governments

Quote
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said Tuesday that private healthcare plans ration care for profit but that consumers should be free to buy whatever coverage they can afford rather than depend on government rationing.

Quote
In remarks to the College of American Pathologists, Cantor warned that Democrats' healthcare reform law mandates benefits that are too generous and will bankrupt the country as the government ends up having to offer ever increasing subsidies. That can only lead to government rationing, he said.

These fucking guys. Who votes for these guys?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2011, 12:46:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on May 04, 2011, 11:11:53 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2011, 05:00:34 AM
where politics and reality clash
http://thepage.time.com/2011/05/03/halperins-take-mistakes-were-made/?xid=rss-topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+time%2Ftopstories+%28TIME%3A+Top+Stories%29

Looks like I'll be siding with Donald Rumsfield here. There is no "getting your story straight" with a wave of a magic wand - it takes awhile for all the details to become fully clear. Given the 24 hour nature of the news it would be impossible for them to simply wait until the team was debriefed, then address the media; if they had Halperin would write the exact same article, but replace this point with one about the "slow" WH response to rampant speculation.

On Bush...seriously? Obama's speech was pretty clear about this mission being four years in the making - ie of course the previous administration played a part. Why should he go out of his way to praise others when if the mission failed, Obama would get ALL the blame. And the suggestion that inviting Bush to Ground Zero was some attempt to save face is just stupid.

How exactly would he control the rampant Pakistan speculation? Jesus Christ this man is dumb. Hey Halperin, Bin Laden is dead, a year from now he'll still be dead and no one will remember the petty gripes you brought up to "even out" the glowing coverage.

I especially like the fact that he thinks speculation about Pakistan could have been controlled by anyone.  Did anyone who follows the news have the exact same thought when Pakistan was first mentioned?  How can you possibly control that?

Clearly they should have said they found him in Syria instead and that he had an AK-47 in both hands and a knife between his teeth, then paraded his body through the streets of New York.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 04, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4b3afc5c2f/president-bush-reacts-to-osama-bin-laden-s-death-with-will-ferrell
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2011, 07:55:47 PM
Sorry Oblivion, I don't think Stewart "destroyed" David Barton in the sense that you were arguing on GAF.  Seemed to be a well-spoken argument on both sides, and in fact, I think Stewart was running away with things just to uphold his usual "these right-wingers be crazy, yo" position.  Barton was merely trying to explain something he believed in using documents and historical evidence he thought pertained to the issue at hand.  I don't agree with his claims, but in no way was there any "destruction."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2011, 08:04:46 PM
Stewart doesn't destroy anyone. He attacks a bit before falling back to "funny guy" status, and is usually intimidated by people who are well versed in their bullshit (John Yoo)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2011, 08:10:17 PM
No, he's definitely destroyed people before.  Just not this guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2011, 08:04:46 PM
Stewart doesn't destroy anyone. He attacks a bit before falling back to "funny guy" status, and is usually intimidated by people who are well versed in their bullshit (John Yoo)

That's because he is a funny guy. It's not 60 minutes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2011, 09:35:32 PM
True. Speaking of funny guys, GOP debate live:
http://live.foxnews.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 05, 2011, 11:10:20 PM
Any highlights?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on May 05, 2011, 11:48:53 PM
Paul won the debate (good answers on foreign policy and drug legalization.)

Johnson was shafted I lol'd at that question "What would your reality TV show be about?"  Seriously what kind of question was that for a presidential debate.  It's almost like he's taking bullets for Paul this go around. 

Cain's a good speaker, but some of his answers were mind boggling.  "Mr. Cain, what is your position for the war in Afghanistan now that Bin Laden has been killed?"  His answer, "I don't have a plan, but I'll get the generals to come up with one."  :lol

The Fox crowd seemed to like Cain's rhetorical style though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2011, 11:57:15 PM
^
crowds are easily swayed by charismatic black men :teehee

I hope someone puts Ron Paul's drug legalization answer on youtube, it was classic. Chris Wallace was annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 06, 2011, 12:43:14 AM
Where is FoC?  I needs me some good ol' fashioned RON PAUL LOLZ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 06, 2011, 01:07:02 AM
There was a Republican debate tonight? Huh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2011, 01:13:29 AM
Yeah, first official one.  None of the heavy hitters from last cycle showed up, though.

Tim Pawlenty was described as "the only major candidate" to attend by several news outlets, which in itself is a victory for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2011, 01:20:39 AM
Pawlenty fell flat, and was hit with some tough questions about his past positions on cap and trade. Overall the debate wasn't really a "debate," it was essentially a bunch of fringe candidates trying to move further to the right faster than the next guy. There were no arguments between candidates, no debates on policy, no nothing.

I can't wait to see everyone jumping on Romney in a few months.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 06, 2011, 01:46:01 AM
Personally, I can't wait until Bachmann starts showing up and everyone starts trying to outlunatic each other to appeal to the teatards.  Gonna be sweet.

"No Chris, I for one don't believe that merely ending Medicare is enough.  We should make our seniors fight to death in Thunderdome."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2011, 03:41:45 AM
[youtube=560,345]HOmtO7DbyDM[/youtube]
Luntz is pissed  :lol
Quote
Update: More bad news for Tim Pawlenty. The focus group also thinks that Rick Santorum was the runner up winner. Meanwhile Herman Cain is up 300% on Intrade.
http://elections.americablog.com/2011/05/vast-majority-of-fox-news-focus-group.html
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2011, 05:54:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2011, 01:20:39 AM
Pawlenty fell flat, and was hit with some tough questions about his past positions on cap and trade.

It's funny that he and Romney can't give the real answer here.

"Look, I said I supported cap and trade because a few years ago that was just what politicians did.  I didn't realize our primary voters would turn into a bunch of lunatic conspiracy-theorists skeptical citizen-scientists.  It's not like I actually did anything to make it happen, anyway.  I just paid it lip service!  And now I know how you guys feel, so I won't even do that.  We good?"

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 06, 2011, 01:46:01 AM
Personally, I can't wait until Bachmann starts showing up and everyone starts trying to outlunatic each other to appeal to the teatards.  Gonna be sweet.

"No Chris, I for one don't believe that merely ending Medicare is enough.  We should make our seniors fight to death in Thunderdome."

It'll be interesting to see how she and the other fringe candidates behave.  Some run to be the voice of a marginalized ideology (Ron Paul, Kooch), some are there to pin down the main candidates on a single issue (Tancredo), some run like a contender as if they just wanted to pretend for a bit (Dodd), and some just want to show off their awesome Al Sharpton impersonation (Al Sharpton).

The big question for me is whether Bachmann/Santorum/etc. are openly critical of any of the mainstream candidates, especially Romney, who seems to have a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.  They might not get a lot of votes, but they could add to the impression that one or more of the big contenders has an authenticity problem with conservatives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 06, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
lol fake I get the joke now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 06, 2011, 11:30:28 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
edit: wrong thread

:himu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 07, 2011, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 05, 2011, 07:55:47 PM
Sorry Oblivion, I don't think Stewart "destroyed" David Barton in the sense that you were arguing on GAF.  Seemed to be a well-spoken argument on both sides, and in fact, I think Stewart was running away with things just to uphold his usual "these right-wingers be crazy, yo" position.  Barton was merely trying to explain something he believed in using documents and historical evidence he thought pertained to the issue at hand.  I don't agree with his claims, but in no way was there any "destruction."

Go to hell, Brandnew.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
though you're probably right
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 07, 2011, 09:12:09 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 05, 2011, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2011, 08:04:46 PM
Stewart doesn't destroy anyone. He attacks a bit before falling back to "funny guy" status, and is usually intimidated by people who are well versed in their bullshit (John Yoo)

That's because he is a funny guy. It's not 60 minutes.

I agree.  He is a comedian.  It is just that the bar is set so low that a comedian can leap over it better than most "serious, hard hitting journalists" can these days.

Although he has destroyed people (Jim Cramer) and shows (Crossfire) in the past.  So I think he should be given some respect there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 08, 2011, 02:11:41 PM
I came across this.  A little outdated but might bring the lols as the 2012 campaign starts heating up:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lPOV8FZAOCI/TC47Dcf1L0I/AAAAAAAAB4Y/uNKdME9NkAM/s1600/wmlp+bingo.jpg)

Sauce (http://barefootandprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/07/wmlp-bingo.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 09, 2011, 06:59:04 AM
I wanted to make a bingo chart for the debate on Thursday, but didn't have the time (or talent).  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2011, 02:14:04 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/09/burn-a-bush-michelle-obama-invites-rapper-common-to-a-poetry-reading/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2011, 02:17:48 AM
I like how the story makes it seem like the 2003 event was cancelled because lefties were protesting Emily Dickinson when the real issue was the invasion of Iraq.  Also, I remember it as poets declining the invitation and the administration cancelling rather than outright threats of disruption.  Could be wrong.

Anyways, quit linking to Tucker Carlson's website, you goober.  You'll just encourage him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2011, 02:26:18 AM
Randomly checked Drudge and saw the link. Can't wait for Fox to do more lyric digging and stumble across Lonnie's interracial dating views
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 10, 2011, 07:36:25 AM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-05-11colorlowres.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2011, 03:16:11 PM
No idea.  Depends on if the GOP treats this as the big fight over spending or a preview for the 2012 budget negotiations.

But the Democrats could have passed a big increase in the deficit ceiling back when they were in power and avoided this whole thing.  Ditto for passing a 2011 budget and avoiding the mess we had a couple months ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 11, 2011, 03:12:58 PM
Quote
GOP Freshmen On Medicare Attacks: Let's Let Bygones Be Bygones

House Republican freshmen admit that their so-called "MediScare" attacks on Democrats helped them win a big majority in 2010. Democrats had voted for the health care law, which included $500 billion in "cuts" to Medicare -- primarily slashing overpayments to private insurers -- and Republican challengers never let them forget it.

Now, they say, it's time to let bygones be bygones.

Nearly a dozen House Republican freshmen held a press conference outside the Capitol Tuesday morning to "wipe the slate clean," and "hit the reset button."

"Yeah, I mean there's been -- again, this is a both-sides issue," said Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) when asked if GOP candidates and the NRCC had engaged in 'MediScare' tactics last year. "To say that one side is blameless in trying to use issues to win votes is just dishonest."

On Tuesday, Kinzinger and 41 of his colleagues sent a letter to President Obama, asking him to rein in Democratic attacks on GOP members who voted for the House budget, which includes a plan to privatize Medicare and cap spending on the program.

"We ask that you stand above partisanship, condemn the disingenuous attacks and work with this Congress to reform spending on entitlement programs," the letter reads.

To preempt the press conference, the DCCC responded to the letter with a long list of NRCC and candidate attack ads and statements from the 2010 election -- all of them targeting Democrats for cutting Medicare, all on behalf of GOP candidates who are now hoping for a truce on Medicare attacks.

"Let's get past the past. Let's move forward to the future, and say, 'ok, today is today, and we have a real problem,'" Kinzinger said.

It's a pretty clear indication they're feeling the heat from Dem attacks -- and realize that, after 2010, they're in a pretty weak position to ask for a truce. Read the letter here.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 11, 2011, 03:19:51 PM
I'm sure that will work.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 11, 2011, 05:22:55 PM
Paul Ryan is either stupid or thinks everyone else is stupid or probably both.  Anyway, apparently his fragile feelings keep getting bruised when people point out that his "budget" is a f'n joke.  The first person to hurt this delicate flower?  The Evil Muslin Soshalust Kenyan Presnint.  The latest? "Left leaning pressure group" AARP.  Yup, AARP.  The horrors!  They pointed out Ryan's stupidity, and he lashed back that they're in the business of selling insurance.  Their response is, well, priceless.

Clicky linky (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_05/paul_ryan_takes_aim_at_aarp_bu029490.php)

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    “We make decisions on policy based on what we believe will be in the best interests of Americans over age 50. A recent attack on AARP from a political action committee erroneously suggests otherwise. The truth is that the budget plan passed by the House probably would present more opportunities for AARP to strengthen its finances, since every older American would be forced into private Medicare plans, including those that AARP brands.

    “But we opposed the legislation nonetheless because we believe the goal should be to strengthen Medicare, not upend it, just as we’ve expressed concern about alternative plans that could use unelected boards to cut Medicare benefits. That has been AARP’s long-stated position, and the well-being of those who need Medicare is the only ‘interest’ we have in this debate.”

Cooooooold bloooooooooded
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 11, 2011, 05:29:58 PM
Someone hasn't lost their faculties!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 11, 2011, 08:49:35 PM
Gingrich 2012: He Will Always Love America. Unless It Gets Cancer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 12:03:55 AM
So, I've learned that nothing destroys friendships like politics. After yesterday, I'm pretty much done with my idiot conservative x-roommates, and I don't mean just discussing politics, but just done with them entirely.

Allah almighty knows I've never considered myself the brightest knife in the drawer, and I've been owned plenty of times, particularly this thread even, but if nothing else I've always been willing to give the other side a chance to speak. Meanwhile these mouthbreathing redneck fuckheads come in and spew bullshit that they picked up in chain e-mails and speak like they're fucking constitutional scholars and Ivy league climatologists, and try and roll their eyes at me cause I read the NY Times. The one thing they've managed to convince me during our years of arguing is that some people DO deserve to get fucked over. Hard.

Sorry, just needed to internet rage for a bit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 02:47:23 AM
In other corners of the interwebs, I found this amusing:

http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/brooks-bachmanns-turned-up-overdrive.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 05:01:22 AM
Ahahaha:

http://www.billoreilly.com/video?chartID=554&vid=618974042757902570

It seems one of Bill O's minions accidentally uploaded a video of an SNL sketch that was edited by an anti-Bill O user. Wonder how long it'll stay up before someone figures it out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on May 12, 2011, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 12:03:55 AM
So, I've learned that nothing destroys friendships like politics. After yesterday, I'm pretty much done with my idiot conservative x-roommates, and I don't mean just discussing politics, but just done with them entirely.

Allah almighty knows I've never considered myself the brightest knife in the drawer, and I've been owned plenty of times, particularly this thread even, but if nothing else I've always been willing to give the other side a chance to speak. Meanwhile these mouthbreathing redneck fuckheads come in and spew bullshit that they picked up in chain e-mails and speak like they're fucking constitutional scholars and Ivy league climatologists, and try and roll their eyes at me cause I read the NY Times. The one thing they've managed to convince me during our years of arguing is that some people DO deserve to get fucked over. Hard.

Sorry, just needed to internet rage for a bit.

u mad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 12, 2011, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 12:03:55 AM
So, I've learned that nothing destroys friendships like politics. After yesterday, I'm pretty much done with my idiot conservative x-roommates, and I don't mean just discussing politics, but just done with them entirely.

Allah almighty knows I've never considered myself the brightest knife in the drawer, and I've been owned plenty of times, particularly this thread even, but if nothing else I've always been willing to give the other side a chance to speak. Meanwhile these mouthbreathing redneck fuckheads come in and spew bullshit that they picked up in chain e-mails and speak like they're fucking constitutional scholars and Ivy league climatologists, and try and roll their eyes at me cause I read the NY Times. The one thing they've managed to convince me during our years of arguing is that some people DO deserve to get fucked over. Hard.

Sorry, just needed to internet rage for a bit.

u mad?

Yes, I mad!  :maf



Also, this is pretty interesting. Kent Conrad suggests millionaire's surtax:

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Millionaires would be hit with a 3 percent surtax under a draft Senate Democratic budget.

A Senate aide told The Hill on Wednesday that the draft 2012 budget outline presented at Tuesday's Democratic policy lunch by Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) called for a 3 percent surtax on income over $1 million a year....

For their part, Republican leaders in both the House and the Senate have said that tax increases are off the table in the talks over deficit-reduction, as Washington officials have coalesced around a target of lopping at least $4 trillion off the deficit over a decade.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), one of the more liberal members of the Democratic caucus, introduced legislation earlier this year that would have placed a 5.4 percent surtax on annual of more than $1 million. Sanders said that policy would create roughly $50 billion a year in new revenues for the United States.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/12/975227/-Conrad-to-propose-millionaire-surtaxinbudget?detail=hide&via=blog_1

 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2011, 09:56:41 PM
This is awesome:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/mike-huckabee-fixes-american-history-video.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2011, 01:31:09 AM
You'd think Gingrich would be smart enough (:teehee) to realize he has no chance at winning the nomination or presidency. Oh well, should be fun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2011, 02:04:20 AM
Well that assumes Gingrich wants to actually win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2011, 02:21:58 AM
Yeah, sorry guys.  Gingrich is in it to keep making money by being Newt Gingrich.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 02:30:27 AM
I don't think we need to assume that Newt's judgment is so sound that he's got to have a secret rational motive.  The guy likes to project an image as a Great Man and seems to buy his own hype (http://gop12.thehill.com/2009/02/new-york-times-mag-reportes-widespread.html).

Besides, wouldn't it be more fun if he really thinks he can win?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on May 13, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
FYI, this is how I imagine all liberals.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/franklin/Controversy-over-child's-flag-drawing (http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/franklin/Controversy-over-child's-flag-drawing)

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The family of Frankie Girard is claiming that their son's civil rights were violated after a teacher allegedly told him that hanging his picture of the American flag would offend another student.

The Butterfield Elementary School is at the center of controversy for the incident on Monday. According to Frankie Girard’s father, John, the boy was in art class drawing a picture.

"He was denied hanging the flag up. And, he asked if he could just even hang it on his desk, and he was told no.  He could take the picture that he drew and take it home and be proud of it there,” Girard said.

 :rofl

:piss Self loathing libruls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 13, 2011, 10:27:26 AM
i'm tempted to sue you just for mentioning the fl*g
Title: "Hey, maybe they won't click through and read the article!"
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 02:23:01 PM
From that article:

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22News tried to contact the Superintendent, Dr. Paul Burnim. He refused to go on camera, but told 22News over the phone that nobody ever told Franklin the drawing was offensive, and said the only reason it wasn't hung was because Franklin was supposed to be doing other work; not drawing a picture.

Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel slacker.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 13, 2011, 02:48:53 PM
Beardo :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2011, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: Beardo on May 13, 2011, 09:51:53 AM
FYI, this is how I imagine all liberals.
http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/franklin/Controversy-over-child's-flag-drawing (http://www.wwlp.com/dpp/news/local/franklin/Controversy-over-child's-flag-drawing)

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The family of Frankie Girard is claiming that their son's civil rights were violated after a teacher allegedly told him that hanging his picture of the American flag would offend another student.

The Butterfield Elementary School is at the center of controversy for the incident on Monday. According to Frankie Girard’s father, John, the boy was in art class drawing a picture.

"He was denied hanging the flag up. And, he asked if he could just even hang it on his desk, and he was told no.  He could take the picture that he drew and take it home and be proud of it there,” Girard said.

 :rofl

:piss Self loathing libruls
Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2011, 02:23:01 PM
From that article:

Quote
22News tried to contact the Superintendent, Dr. Paul Burnim. He refused to go on camera, but told 22News over the phone that nobody ever told Franklin the drawing was offensive, and said the only reason it wasn't hung was because Franklin was supposed to be doing other work; not drawing a picture.

Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel slacker.

This is how I imagine most conservatives, misinformed by selective editing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
9 times out of 10, when parents get hot under the collar about something a teacher did or said to their child, it's usually because the parents are mouth-breathing idiots and not because the teacher did anything reprehensible.

"Our precious angel would NEVER do anything wrong! It must be the fault of that HORRIBLE [America-hating] teacher!"

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Frankie's father told 22News that he is so outraged that he placed a call to the American Civil Liberties Union.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2011, 04:42:05 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
:rofl

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2011, 04:58:22 PM
This site's pretty awesome btw:

http://www.janecorwin.org/

Quote
Ewww...a gay touched my SUV. Thank Jesus I was doing 75 mph!

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 13, 2011, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2011, 03:37:23 PM
9 times out of 10, when parents get hot under the collar about something a teacher did or said to their child, it's usually because the parents are mouth-breathing idiots and not because the teacher did anything reprehensible.

"Our precious angel would NEVER do anything wrong! It must be the fault of that HORRIBLE [America-hating] teacher!"

Quote
Frankie's father told 22News that he is so outraged that he placed a call to the American Civil Liberties Union.

:rofl

Most parents are narcissists and believe that an attack on their child (even when breaking the rule) is an attack on them.  So while little Snotleigh is violating rule after rule, their parents are blaming the school system and getting litigious instead.  I can't wait to see what kind of fucked up adults these kids will be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2011, 05:34:56 PM
My mom works at a local high school and literally sees this kind of thing every day. There are so many parents out there that either just don't care what their kids do or are absolutely convinced that their kids can do no wrong [and it's always the school's fault when their kids fail/get in trouble/don't come to class]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 13, 2011, 07:03:13 PM
ANY TIME SOMEONE CREATES AN IMAGE OF THE AMERICAN FLAG UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE YOU MUST IGNORE ALL SOCIAL CONTEXT AND RULES, BOTH IMPLIED AND EXPLICIT, TO WORSHIP IT. OTHERWISE SATAN FUCKS THE TROOPS IN THE ASS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2011, 01:38:49 AM
:bow  :usacry :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on May 14, 2011, 06:15:29 AM
Yeah, sounds like he desecrated the flag. Considering the reverence he and the parents think a hand drawn flag should be given he should have been suspended for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 14, 2011, 03:15:50 PM
Kind of a shame that this is happening as it seems to let speculators off the hook and probably won't do much to offset fuel prices. (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0514/Obama-says-Drill-baby-drill.-Will-new-oil-policy-ease-gas-prices)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2011, 04:50:23 PM
why the fuck is fox news going after one of my favorite musicians
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 14, 2011, 05:06:44 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2011, 04:50:23 PM
why the fuck is fox news going after one of my favorite musicians

Thank God you posted a link or otherwise I would not have known what the fuck you were talking about!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2011, 05:07:43 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=13580230
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 14, 2011, 08:18:18 PM
i heard that all rappers talk about is rape and shooting white people and that they hate america and cops

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 14, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
He's black and he raps: he's middle America's worst nightmare.  The GOP foaming at the mouth over this manufactured controversy is a sign of things to come, especially now that all Republican candidates have to stumble over eachother to prove to teatards that they are the biggest teatard of them all.  If we all thought bittergate and flag pins were inane and stupid, we'll be repeatedly amazed when the GOP primaries kick off for 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2011, 12:06:42 AM
Kinda sad that Rapper-Gate was the first post-Bin Laden outrage controversy. I expected something more well thought out

Anyway I heard Huck finally decided not to run for president. He's leading in every GOP poll too. Damn, I guess he figured either he doesn't want to explain why he raised taxes ("to get shit done, you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellows do you think I liked raising them? I had to god dammit") to distinguished mentally-challenged fellows again, or he didn't think Obama was touchable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 15, 2011, 01:35:05 AM
Well, Fox News was going to do more research on Common in order to bring some context and perspective to that snippet of a lyric, but they were too busy drawing an American flag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 16, 2011, 12:55:43 PM
Common is annoying and is a douche bag, but the whole controversy over him being in the White House is funny as hell.

(http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/_2008_11_30/elvis-nixon.jpg)

I just don't think Huckabee wants to spend his political capital on a futile fight in 2012.  I bet he'll run in 2016 though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 16, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
:lol @ that pic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
I never even hear of this common controversy. I don't think any normal people have either. It's just something people on the internet and fox news talk about which means its like a fart in the wind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 16, 2011, 01:37:49 PM
More manufactured outrage from the peanut gallery.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2011, 02:16:28 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/16/6653781-trump-not-running-for-president



What a shock.  ::)

So do we get an apology from the media for wasting time on this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 16, 2011, 02:34:27 PM
lol

that was uneventful
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2011, 03:01:12 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2011, 02:16:28 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/16/6653781-trump-not-running-for-president



What a shock.  ::)

So do we get an apology from the media for wasting time on this.


:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Trump will forever be known as that guy Obama clowned before killing Bin Laden
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2011, 03:10:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Trump will forever be known as that guy Obama clowned before killing Bin Laden

lol and he was so puffed up over finally getting Obama to release his birth certificate too. Man, Trump ran right into that one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2011, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Trump will forever be known as that guy Obama clowned before killing Bin Laden

We need a little Facebook thumbs up emoticon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2011, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 16, 2011, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Trump will forever be known as that guy Obama clowned before killing Bin Laden

We need a little Facebook thumbs up emoticon.

(http://intrawebnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/chuck-norris-thumbs-up.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 16, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Oh wow, this is awesome:

Republican Accuses Democrat Of Pushing Medicare Cuts In NY-26 (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/republican-accuses-democrat-of-pushing-medicare-cuts-in-ny-26.php)

Gotta love how a little thing like reality not getting in the way of Republican messaging.

:bow REAL Americans :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 16, 2011, 07:08:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Trump will forever be known as that guy Obama clowned before killing Bin Laden

That was pretty awesome, about made the whole thing whorth it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 16, 2011, 07:16:48 PM
Shhhhhhhh, everyone keep quiet about this...let's keep it nice and cool...

Quote
OOPS! Historic 'Spending Cut' Bill Increased Spending By $3 Billion
Brian Beutler | May 16, 2011, 6:19PM 190
   
Republicans stormed Capitol Hill in January vowing to slash discretionary spending by $100 billion right off the bat. In their pledge to America, they promised that, "[w]ith common-sense exceptions for seniors, veterans, and our troops, we will roll back government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels, saving us at least $100 billion in the first year alone."

As time went on, it became clear that they wouldn't get the whole loaf, and the key question became: How many billions of dollars in spending would Democrats agree to cut, without risking massive Republican defections, and, perhaps, a protracted government shutdown?

A few weeks after they cut the deal, we have an answer. It turns out the six-month spending bill Congress passed in March increased discretionary outlays through the remainder of the fiscal year by a bit over $3 billion. In other words, total direct spending will be higher by the end of September than if Congress had just set spending on autopilot for the remainder of the fiscal year back in April.

"Total discretionary outlays in 2011 will be $3.2 billion higher as a result of the legislation, CBO estimates--an increase of $7.5 billion for defense programs, partially offset by a net reduction of $4.4 billion in other spending," reads a just-released report from the Congressional Budget Office -- Congress' non-partisan scorekeeper. Analysts there conclude that increase is due in large part to the fact that the six month spending bill shifted defense spending to more immediate activities, which means the bills will come due sooner than later.

When the deal went down in early April, both Democrats and Republicans characterized it as a historic spending cut bill -- a triumph of bipartisanship and the first time in memory that the government significantly reduced spending. But the approximately $38 billion in advertised cuts spanned the entire federal budget, including locked-in "mandatory" spending programs, and it reflected reductions in "budget authority" -- how much the government is allowed to spend -- as opposed to projected "outlays" -- how much the government truly will spend. When viewed more narrowly -- how many fewer dollars will the government spend this year as a result of this bill -- the results flip.

Brendan Buck, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), explains on the Speaker's blog "The effect on outlays (based on how quickly the administration spends money) meanwhile is slowed due to increased and accelerated spending for our men and women in uniform. As the CBO puts it, 'part of the reason ...is that some defense funding was shifted from slower-spending to faster-spending activities.'"

Before Congress passed the six month spending bill, a similar analysis found that the deal would only cut domestic discretionary spending by about $350 million this fiscal year. House GOP leaders actually invited conservative economist Doug Holtz-Eakin up to the Hill at the zero-hour to forestall a major revolt within their caucus. When you add the new defense spending numbers, the picture changes further.

"CBO had previously estimated that the full-year appropriation act will yield a net reduction of $0.4 billion in nonemergency outlays in 2011," the report says. "The comparison shown here is different: It includes emergency appropriations, excludes the effects of changes in mandatory programs, and incorporates adjustments to various estimating parameters that were applied to the appropriation act to make them consistent with the March 2011 baseline."

A footnote at the end of the report notes, "The extrapolation of 2011 appropriations does not include the effect of changes in mandatory programs that were included in the full-year appropriation act.... The net effect of such changes to mandatory programs over the 2012-2021 period is close to zero."

Republicans have pointed out fairly that reducing budget authority will reduce spending in the coming fiscal year. And overall, CBO finds that the bill Congress passed in April will result in about $122 billion in aggregate spending cuts over 10 years -- and $183 billion in reduced budget authority. "
  • ne thing is clear: congressional Republicans were able to save American taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars in the long term," Buck writes


But that's just to say that in their first bite at the apple, Republicans got done in a 10 year time-frame a bit more than they hoped to accomplished by September. Ouch.

 :shh :shh :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2011, 07:21:44 PM
Looks like Obama caving again.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 16, 2011, 11:46:40 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8WhG-8FGw[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2011, 03:24:01 AM
Meanwhile, Rand Paul is comparing (http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/05/13/bernie-sanders-makes-rand-paul-sound-like-a-hysterical-idiot) government-provided healthcare with slavery, and his dad is explaining to people why the Civil Rights Act shouldn't have passed.

I'm actually a little impressed that in a system tilted towards opportunists and party hacks, there's still room for a flat-out idealogue to get elected, even if they're as crazy as the Pauls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 17, 2011, 05:54:52 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7fIjufCPsg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 17, 2011, 07:33:13 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/arnold-schwarzenegger-fathered_n_862867.html

oh Arnold
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 17, 2011, 06:33:02 PM
Bill O Reilly is the fucking WORST debater, good christ.  Whenever he gets in a corner, he automatically goes to his "oh stop it" and "LOTS of people are concerned!" argument.  He's fucking terrible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2011, 08:52:13 PM
I love how Stewart stayed serious, injecting a few jokes here and there. Dylan, Bono, etc don't frighten white America - hell, even republicans still like Springsteen. Glad to see Obama has totally ignored this "controversy" (ie Fox News/conservative blogs going crazy)

Man, if someone from the future asked the 1999 me which of these options would be true by 2011...

A) The US elects a black president
B) Common is labeled a gangster rapper
C) The Matrix sequels redefine cinema

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2011, 12:38:30 AM
[youtube=560,345]bXmrOt9LVm8[/youtube]
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/newt-apologizes-to-paul-ryan-begs-democrats-not-to-use-his-own-quotes-in-ads.php?ref=fpblg
:rofl

Come on Newt, be the transformative, bold figure we know you are and stand your ground. Go far right on every other issue, but protect Medicare with some big ideas like raising the retirement age. It's not like you have anything to lose. Even republicans don't want to see Medicare phased out. Show us some strong leadership, stay the course, and throw the dice.

edit:
[youtube=560,345]uuo3dBP431k[/youtube]
 :lol

[youtube=560,345]g8OZsJokBB0[/youtube]
:rofl @ the creepy bodyguard. Gives me Nation of Islam vibes

Newt is having the best week ever
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 12:43:23 AM
The Republican party is such a joke.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 18, 2011, 01:46:53 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 12:43:23 AM
The Republican party is such a joke.

Yeah, I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where Obama loses to any of these idiots next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 18, 2011, 02:10:18 AM
As some blogger said, Newt's having the worst week ever, and it's only Tuesday!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 02:18:14 AM
I'd love to read one of those bitchy tell-alls about the failed Gingrich campaign, where advisers all anonymously blame each other, but I don't think he'll get far enough to warrant the book treatment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 18, 2011, 09:19:37 AM
Does Newt even make it to Iowa?  What are the odds?  We should set an over/under on when he'll drop out of the campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 10:28:55 AM
My bet is that NO Republican candidates make it to Iowa. The presidential ballot will just be:

Obama?

Yes

No

Please circle ONE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on May 18, 2011, 10:55:49 AM
Guys, guys, let's keep in mind that Reagan also had a rough first week and that Newt is a very smart guy, an ideas man and oh who am I kidding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 18, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
:bow Jon Stewart :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 18, 2011, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 02:18:14 AM
I'd love to read one of those bitchy tell-alls about the failed Gingrich campaign, where advisers all anonymously blame each other, but I don't think he'll get far enough to warrant the book treatment.

How about this lovely 1984 Mother Jones article (http://motherjones.com/politics/1984/11/newt-gingrich-shining-knight-post-reagan-right), choice quote:

Quote
“He’s probably one of the most dangerous people for the future of this country that you can possibly imagine. He’s Richard Nixon, glib. It doesn’t matter how much good I do the rest of my life, I can’t ever outweigh the evil that I’ve caused by helping him be elected to Congress.”

:)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 18, 2011, 02:35:49 PM
LOL

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/05/made-in-usa-tshirt-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg)

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/o2012-made-in-the-usa-shirt-z (https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/o2012-made-in-the-usa-shirt-z)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 02:18:14 AM
I'd love to read one of those bitchy tell-alls about the failed Gingrich campaign, where advisers all anonymously blame each other, but I don't think he'll get far enough to warrant the book treatment.

Well if it's anything like this, I'll buy as many copies as possible to finance an HBO miniseries

Quote
The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakness. They fired timidly at first, then the sheep not wanting to be dropped from the establishment's cocktail party invite list unloaded their entire clip, firing without taking aim their distortions and falsehoods. Now they are left exposed by their bylines and handles. But surely they had killed him off. This is the way it always worked. A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich, once again ready to lead those who won't be intimated by the political elite and are ready to take on the challenges America faces.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/05/inside_the_mind_of_newt.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2011, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2011, 02:18:14 AM
I'd love to read one of those bitchy tell-alls about the failed Gingrich campaign, where advisers all anonymously blame each other, but I don't think he'll get far enough to warrant the book treatment.

Well if it's anything like this, I'll buy as many copies as possible to finance an HBO miniseries

Quote
The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakness. They fired timidly at first, then the sheep not wanting to be dropped from the establishment's cocktail party invite list unloaded their entire clip, firing without taking aim their distortions and falsehoods. Now they are left exposed by their bylines and handles. But surely they had killed him off. This is the way it always worked. A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich, once again ready to lead those who won't be intimated by the political elite and are ready to take on the challenges America faces.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/05/inside_the_mind_of_newt.php?ref=fpblg

Huh, didn't know that Gingrich hired Ted Kaczynksi as his press secretary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 18, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
Quote
The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakness. They fired timidly at first, then the sheep not wanting to be dropped from the establishment's cocktail party invite list unloaded their entire clip, firing without taking aim their distortions and falsehoods. Now they are left exposed by their bylines and handles. But surely they had killed him off. This is the way it always worked. A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich, once again ready to lead those who won't be intimated by the political elite and are ready to take on the challenges America faces.

Gingrich spokesman or Jared Lee Loughner manifesto, you decide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 18, 2011, 07:14:41 PM
INTIMATED!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 18, 2011, 11:56:51 PM
This promises to be one of the most boring primary seasons in my lifetime. Romney is going to win in a walk based on electability. The money crush is going to be too much for the flyweights like Huntsman and Pawlenty to hold on.


I'm sure there will be one other candidate that will be able to hang on for the duration, garnering 20 percent and 30 percent in most states. Like Buchanan in 92. Not sure who that will be though.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2011, 01:12:53 AM
Whoever it is, they will be 100 percent guaranteed teatard approved batshit insane.

Also, don't forget that Romney has a lot to answer for- wanting to give people access to health care, mormonism, his hair.  None of that is popular with the sort of lunatics who are going to be voting en masse in the 2012 GOP primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2011, 02:57:41 AM
What, no impassioned defense of Idea Man Newt?  :teehee


PS Finally watched a bit of that Stewart-O'Reilly clip and wow does that explain why Bill O is always yelling over people.  Stewart got about 45 seconds of uninterrupted talking and it left O'Reilly completely exposed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
So I just heard Obama just endorsed 1967 Israel/Palestine borders. Is that true, I'm at work
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 19, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
I tuned in late, but he announced 1 billion dollars in debt forgiveness to Egypt with 1 billion dollars in guaranteed loans for infrastructure. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2011, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
So I just heard Obama just endorsed 1967 Israel/Palestine borders. Is that true, I'm at work

1967 borders as the basis, with "mutually agreed swaps".  So it would look roughly the same, but Israel would give up some land in exchange for keeping Jewish settlements in what was Palestinian territory.

Fuckin' A, man.  Marty Peretz is gonna lose his shit over this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 19, 2011, 06:03:10 PM
Aaaaand here's Bibi calling a return to the 67 borders "indefensible".  Cue up the AIPAC freak out machine and every Republican questioning Obama's commitment to killing Arabs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 19, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
I really can't get over this whole right wing reaction towards Gingrich. It's fantastic for two main reasons. 1) It's always fun to see a scumbag like Newt get eviscerated from all sides and 2) This pretty much confirms that even establishment Republicans have gone full tea-tard. Why the Reps are willing to go bat for the Ryan plan, despite it having no chance of passing either the Senate or Obama's veto pen, and despite pretty much guaranteeing that the Reps will be about as popular as Al-Qaeda, I'll never know. But that's fucking great news for filthy libruls.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 19, 2011, 06:03:10 PM
Aaaaand here's Bibi calling a return to the 67 borders "indefensible".  Cue up the AIPAC freak out machine and every Republican questioning Obama's commitment to killing Arabs.

Seems Obama's worldwide apology tour ends at Israeli borders. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 19, 2011, 09:24:45 PM
Dunno, after finding him a disappointment* (if only against his transformative potential) Obama has been rocking it this last month or two, whether it's a finally intelligent moderate middle east policy or clowning TEH DONALD, he seems like he has his mojo back.

*disappointment might be strong and overused but seeing him unitarily negotiating with himself was disheartening. Don't hate but do want him to be better than he should be. Also am stopped being pissed off and glad he's perhaps maybe coming around to the fact that the Republicans are a bunch of nihilistic fucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 19, 2011, 09:49:36 PM
I'd say he's an above average president.  not amazing, but not simply "meh."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2011, 11:56:24 PM
From a sabrmetric standpoint, Obama's got to be considered at least a borderline all-star president.  He might disappoint compared to our own hopes, but have you read the CV's of those other guys?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2011, 12:10:38 AM
So he's more Beats, Rhymes and Life than Low End Theory
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2011, 12:12:12 AM
This is all that matters:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/)

He's the product of an awful Congress for both sessions, and a product of his reliance of non-partisanship.  It's partly his fault, partly Congress' fault.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on May 20, 2011, 12:12:16 AM
Black bore needs to explain what cornel west is so angry about  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2011, 12:15:05 AM
Or more Bossanova than Surfer Rosa?  For those of us older than 25 and not black.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2011, 12:59:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2011, 12:15:05 AM
Or more Surfer Rosa than Doolittle?  For those of us older than 25 and not black.

Fixed because Doolittle is the best
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2011, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 20, 2011, 12:59:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2011, 12:15:05 AM
Or more Surfer Rosa than Doolittle?  For those of us older than 25 and not black.

Fixed because Doolittle is the best

Honkey you are distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2011, 03:40:06 AM
Man, Newt just can't catch a break:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-newt-gingrich-dancing-queen-20110519,0,7453968.story?track=rss (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-newt-gingrich-dancing-queen-20110519,0,7453968.story?track=rss)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2011, 03:48:34 AM
you've got to be kidding me :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2011, 05:55:08 AM
This is pretty crazy:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJ_U1j_cm4[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 20, 2011, 09:10:19 AM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on May 19, 2011, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 19, 2011, 09:24:45 PM
Dunno, after finding him a disappointment* (if only against his transformative potential) Obama has been rocking it this last month or two, whether it's a finally intelligent moderate middle east policy or clowning TEH DONALD, he seems like he has his mojo back.

I don't know how many times I've seen people say this. If this are going well, it's because of some fluke. Obama does some things right, some things wrong. He's a mediocre president. But it's not helping that a substantial portion of the American people are a bunch of lowly, anxiety-ridden, gun-clinging, bible-clenching, reality-denying freaks.

He's never going to stop being Obama the moderator when there's no moderation to happen (I use that apart from "moderate", whatever that bullshit word now means), but he does seem to be a bit smarter about it lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2011, 01:58:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110519/ap_on_el_ge/us_gingrich_iowa_5

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"It's going to take a while for the news media to realize that you're covering something that happens once or twice in a century, a genuine grass-roots campaign of very big ideas," said Gingrich. "I expect it to take a while for it to sink in."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2011, 03:01:55 PM
Quote
"This is going to be a campaign that constantly changes, that constantly evolves," said Gingrich.

Quote
On Sunday, Gingrich told NBC's "Meet the Press" that Ryan's plan to replace Medicare with a voucher system was a radical change that he opposed. On Tuesday, Gingrich called Ryan to apologize for his comments.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 20, 2011, 08:59:02 PM
Hey, at least there's one Republican that believes in evolution. :smug

In other news, John Hunstman has gone full tea-tard:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_05/political_whiplash_huntsman_sc029709.php

Here's my question, though. I realize that Huntsman (and other GOP candidates) do things like this cause they need to prove their tea bagger bona fides to Republican primary voters. Yet I still question the wisdom of moving towards the right on issues like medicare. Yes, you have far right wingers voting in the primaries, but I would think a good chunk of those right wingers happen to be old people. Old people that tend to LIKE medicare too.

I just think there's only so many rich and/or young tea baggers you can attract with such policies. You can pretty much rely on old people to go to the voting booths since they have nothing better to do. Why alienate them?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 20, 2011, 10:55:08 PM
The Republican base is simply more rabid and more dominant than before FULL STOP, whether that's just fueled by hightened fear in economic uncertain times (let's cut UI benefits to prosperity!), or fear of a black planet/prezz I don't know.

Although I do believe the birther movement is pretty much entirely racial driven and wouldn't be dumb enough to suggest otherwise. Beyond the birther nonsense let's remember that many of probably the same folks just decided to consider Clinton's presidency illegitimate ipso facto, and found the blowjob clause in the constitution to prove it.

They've never been "Center Right." Just constrained, and now that they pretty much feel unconstrained and the shitshow begins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 20, 2011, 11:04:07 PM
and to think, mere months ago, we were all panicking based on the idea that Obama being re-elected was doomed.

laugh with me...

[youtube=560,345]b-IWH3HQUPc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 20, 2011, 11:14:39 PM
I don't think any serious Republican contender will run in 2012, preferring to wait until 2016, gambling on the prospect that the teabagger movement will be dead or near dead at that time.  Any Republican that isn't extreme right or has worked with a Democrat once in their 20-30+ years in politics will get roasted, having to explain away their horrible misdeeds of working with socialists ad infinitum.  All that does is leave clowns like Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich, the bottom feeders that would get 1-2% in the primaries at any other time in less than recent GOP history.

Not that I feel sorry for them.  They chose to let teabaggers run wild and now they effectively run the party.  Now they're going to have to deal with the consequences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 20, 2011, 11:32:38 PM
My only regret is that it doesn't seem like Palin is going to run.  Too bad.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2011, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 20, 2011, 11:14:39 PM
I don't think any serious Republican contender will run in 2012, preferring to wait until 2016, gambling on the prospect that the teabagger movement will be dead or near dead at that time.  Any Republican that isn't extreme right or has worked with a Democrat once in their 20-30+ years in politics will get roasted, having to explain away their horrible misdeeds of working with socialists ad infinitum.  All that does is leave clowns like Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich, the bottom feeders that would get 1-2% in the primaries at any other time in less than recent GOP history.

Not that I feel sorry for them.  They chose to let teabaggers run wild and now they effectively run the party.  Now they're going to have to deal with the consequences.

Fringe candidates have excelled during the earliest parts of republican primaries before, that's nothing new or exclusive to this election.

I'd say Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, and Daniels are serious contenders and they're all running. But they all seem to have some major flaw that will hurt them in the primary or in the general...except for Pawlenty. Which is why I think he'll get the nomination; at some point the anti-Romney religious right folks are going to pick their man, and it has to be Pawlenty.

Obama is vulnerable; the economy is improving slowly, but there's no telling how much it will improve by October 2012, or how the public will perceive the economy's progress by then. I think Romney could have been a potent threat if he wasn't such a flip flopping mess. Daniels could be dangerous, and of course Huntsman is a solid candidate - or was until he declared the Ryan budget to be the best thing ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2011, 01:48:14 AM
GOP primary voters aren't making the Ryan budget a litmus test.  Newt's problem was his tone.  A Republican candidate simply can't attack an identifiably conservative proposal as "right wing social engineering", even if it's not that popular.  It's exactly the sort of ham-handed triangulation that drives liberal activists crazy when Democrats do it.  He pulled a Lieberman.

The smart play about the Ryan budget is to obfuscate.  Never get pinned down as supporting or opposing it, talk about the deficit generally, turn the question around to attack Democrats every time you're asked about it ("They're trying to shut down any discussion about balancing the budget, and that hurts the country blah blah"), and eventually release a white paper that cuts the deficit by making a lot of vague claims about promoting growth and cutting waste.

I swear, I could run for president as a Republican better than some of these chumps.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2011, 02:52:20 AM
That's because most of them know they're not going to win even if they get the nomination and are just running to stay in the Washington Wingnut Welfare line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2011, 03:01:47 AM
But still, most republicans don't support turning Medicare into a voucher plan. There are plenty of tea party folks who do, but in the grand scheme of things they don't determine who wins a general election. And yet these freshman republicans seem far more concerned about being challenged by a farther right winger in the primary than facing a moderate democrat in a general election, with Obama at the top of the ticket.

Republicans and democrats love to champion popular causes they know will never be passed, whether it's ending tax cuts for companies who ship jobs overseas or a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Sometimes those causes are aimed directly at the base and aren't popular with everyone else, but ultimately won't kill your election chances. Yet here we have republicans openly and proudly calling for Medicare as we know it to be dismantled. I really have no idea what's going on here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2011, 03:08:24 AM
These people are stupid, basically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2011, 03:21:59 AM
But they're usually smart enough to win elections.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2011, 04:08:37 AM
Voting for the Ryan plan was a mistake, as was Gingrich openly trashing it.

Showing support for something that won't get passed or will get vetoed isn't necessarily a waste of time.  It can keep that issue on the agenda and maybe get it passed in the long term.  That bad bankruptcy bill had been proposed for years and years before it got through, and a version of the FMLA was vetoed by Bush 1 before Clinton signed the final bill into law.

But yeah, you typically don't risk substantial backlash over a symbolic gesture.  At least when the GOP shot itself in the foot over Social Security privatization they had majorities and an initial hope at getting it passed.  I think a lot of GOP Reps just badly misjudged the meaning of the midterm victory and forgot themselves.  Dumb politics.  Dumb policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 21, 2011, 08:09:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2011, 12:54:17 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 20, 2011, 11:14:39 PM
I don't think any serious Republican contender will run in 2012, preferring to wait until 2016, gambling on the prospect that the teabagger movement will be dead or near dead at that time.  Any Republican that isn't extreme right or has worked with a Democrat once in their 20-30+ years in politics will get roasted, having to explain away their horrible misdeeds of working with socialists ad infinitum.  All that does is leave clowns like Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich, the bottom feeders that would get 1-2% in the primaries at any other time in less than recent GOP history.

Not that I feel sorry for them.  They chose to let teabaggers run wild and now they effectively run the party.  Now they're going to have to deal with the consequences.

Fringe candidates have excelled during the earliest parts of republican primaries before, that's nothing new or exclusive to this election.

I'd say Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, and Daniels are serious contenders and they're all running. But they all seem to have some major flaw that will hurt them in the primary or in the general...except for Pawlenty. Which is why I think he'll get the nomination; at some point the anti-Romney religious right folks are going to pick their man, and it has to be Pawlenty.

Obama is vulnerable; the economy is improving slowly, but there's no telling how much it will improve by October 2012, or how the public will perceive the economy's progress by then. I think Romney could have been a potent threat if he wasn't such a flip flopping mess. Daniels could be dangerous, and of course Huntsman is a solid candidate - or was until he declared the Ryan budget to be the best thing ever.

I thought he wasn't running ???

Anyway, I'm just guessing, like we all are.  There are thousands of x factors that will come into play next year that will determine the outcome.  Factors that we have no idea what they will be because shit happens.  Although my pulled out of my ass guess is that it will mostly come down to the economy: the better the economy does, the better Obama's chances will be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Pawlenty isn't a serious contender.  He has all the charisma of a wet sock.  Huntsman has to explain the whole working for the enemy thing, and he's the mormon without all the money in the fight.  Good luck with that.

Daniels might be dangerous if he cared enough, but apparently he's a crappy campaigner and doesn't like actually campaigning.  Which leaves us with Romney, which is where the GOP will end up anyway.  Barring another economic disastrophe Obama will beat Mittens.  Unemployment is currently at 8.7% and still dropping; stupid deficit rage will probably dissipate as people realize the alternatives are gutting entitilements or, god forbid, raising taxes on the rich.  Romney will be forced to constantly tack to the right during the primaries and then try to moderate during the general- he'll end up having to explain himself so much it will be hilarious.

Of course, the GOP will almost surely keep the House and will probably win the Senate too due to the number of Dem seats up for election this cycle.  Which will make Obama even more ineffective... he hasn't been, really, but wait until the GOP is smarting from not beating him.  He'll get impeached for being black or something, wait and see.

Honestly, the real fun of this election will be in figuring out who the Teatard alternative to Romney is and watching how long they stay in the race.  I'm hoping for a '92 Buchanan-esque party split all the way up to the convention.  I bet Michelle Bachmann could pull it off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2011, 12:00:30 PM
Dems could lose the senate but with Obama on the ticket and this Medicare thing getting bigger I think they'll hold it. House is probably out of reach though

But yeah, can't wait to see how the tea party fucks this up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 21, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 21, 2011, 01:48:14 AM
GOP primary voters aren't making the Ryan budget a litmus test.  Newt's problem was his tone.

The best part thing though, is now it's a litmus test.
Title: Obama is a unifier. He brings the GOP together.
Post by: Mandark on May 21, 2011, 06:13:08 PM
Nah, smart candidates will shy away from the budget itself and endorse the general principle of deficit reduction through budget cuts, probably with a lot of accounting hoodoo.

Also, I don't think a tea party candidate is going to stick around too long.  Once one candidate becomes the presumptive nominee, they'll stop campaigning against their GOP rivals and aim all their rhetoric at Obama, whom Tea Partiers loathe.

Kerry was boring and centrist at a time when the activist wing of the Democratic party was getting frisky, but as soon as he became the avatar of everyone opposed to Bush, liberals rallied around him and mostly ignored the more lefty candidates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 21, 2011, 08:59:53 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 21, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Pawlenty isn't a serious contender.  He has all the charisma of a wet sock.  Huntsman has to explain the whole working for the enemy thing, and he's the mormon without all the money in the fight.  Good luck with that.

Daniels might be dangerous if he cared enough, but apparently he's a crappy campaigner and doesn't like actually campaigning.  Which leaves us with Romney, which is where the GOP will end up anyway.  Barring another economic disastrophe Obama will beat Mittens.  Unemployment is currently at 8.7% and still dropping; stupid deficit rage will probably dissipate as people realize the alternatives are gutting entitilements or, god forbid, raising taxes on the rich.  Romney will be forced to constantly tack to the right during the primaries and then try to moderate during the general- he'll end up having to explain himself so much it will be hilarious.

Of course, the GOP will almost surely keep the House and will probably win the Senate too due to the number of Dem seats up for election this cycle.  Which will make Obama even more ineffective... he hasn't been, really, but wait until the GOP is smarting from not beating him.  He'll get impeached for being black or something, wait and see.

Honestly, the real fun of this election will be in figuring out who the Teatard alternative to Romney is and watching how long they stay in the race.  I'm hoping for a '92 Buchanan-esque party split all the way up to the convention.  I bet Michelle Bachmann could pull it off.

herman cain :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2011, 01:47:09 AM
Oh shit, Daniels isn't running
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110521/NEWS05/110521008/Indiana-Governor-Mitch-Daniels-will-not-run-president?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|IndyStar.com

circus time fellas!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
Right now it's between Romney and Pawlenty.  I used to think Romney was a lock, but didn't realize healthcare-gate would be this big a deal.  Huntsman won't get traction unless he's willing to start strongly criticizing the Obama admin.

There's always the chance that some relatively successful ex-governor sees the weak field and jumps in, but it would have to be pretty soon.

Ironically, Jeb would be a slam-dunk if Dubya hadn't ruined the brand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
Rick Perry 2012!

But yea, Pawlenty is going to be the Anti-Romney guy unless something weird happens. Gingrich has bombed hard, and nobody seems to like Santorum.

If I had to bet I'd say Pawlenty will start picking up a bunch of endorsements, including Huck's, to help him win the early conservative states. Romney is probably a lock in Nevada, and it seems like he has NH by the balls. If Pawlenty can win SC and Iowa, it'll come down to a two man race that he could win due to the mandate fiasco and social conservative support.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 22, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
I don't know, we've been receiving a shit ton of Huckabee robocalls in the past couple of weeks.  Seems odd if he spams our answering machines but does not intend to run.  I think if he runs then he'll win.  The VP candidate will probably be a teabagger woman or minority (Allen West, Michele Bachmann, Kelly Ayotte, etc.).

Quote from: Mandark on May 22, 2011, 03:27:58 PM
Ironically, Jeb would be a slam-dunk if Dubya hadn't ruined the brand.

They'll bring back the brand for Jeb's son (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Bush) probably within the next couple of election cycles.  The fact that he's half latino will help out, especially in states like Texas, that will probably have moved from solidly Republican to leaning Republican due to the rising hispanic populations there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 22, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
The fact that he's half latino will help out, especially in states like Texas, that will probably have moved from solidly Republican to leaning Republican due to the rising hispanic populations there.


(http://www.handresearch.com/news/us-presidents/president-george-h-w-bush-and-barbara-bush-waving-hands.jpg)

lolwut?


spoiler (click to show/hide)
But yeah, his wife is Mexican-American and he's got a much better appreciation of the value of latino voters than most in the current GOP.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 22, 2011, 06:55:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 22, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 22, 2011, 06:35:32 PM
The fact that he's half latino will help out, especially in states like Texas, that will probably have moved from solidly Republican to leaning Republican due to the rising hispanic populations there.


http://www.handresearch.com/news/us-presidents/president-george-h-w-bush-and-barbara-bush-waving-hands.jpg

lolwut?


spoiler (click to show/hide)
But yeah, his wife is Mexican-American and he's got a much better appreciation of the value of latino voters than most in the current GOP.
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I had a link embedded for Jeb's son in my previous post.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/George_P_Bush_cropped_from_Bush_family.jpg)

This will be a lot more common of a face for GOP red states in the next 10-15 years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2011, 07:58:23 PM
Gotcha.

It'll be interesting to see how the GOP deals with changing demographics over the next couple decades.  I don't think it'll be as problematic as black racial politics post-1960's, but it could get awkward.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2011, 08:56:41 PM
It's hard to imagine republicans getting their act together with the Hispanic vote anytime soon. They've invested so much in making older white people mad over the last 50 years they can't simply pivot from that strategy overnight. They better hurry up though. The 2010 census showed booming Hispanic growth in southern states like Virginia, NC, etc - traditionally red states that are turning blue.

I can't wait to see everyone slamming Romney in the debates, and the various jokes/retorts his people are probably writing and begging him to recite

[youtube=560,345]y6DrH6P9OC0[/youtube]
Dude is way too robotic to handle being jumped on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2011, 09:00:00 PM
[youtube=560,345]FDwwAaVmnf4[/youtube]

my favorite romney clip
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2011, 03:03:53 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2011, 08:56:41 PM
It's hard to imagine republicans getting their act together with the Hispanic vote anytime soon. They've invested so much in making older white people mad over the last 50 years they can't simply pivot from that strategy overnight. They better hurry up though. The 2010 census showed booming Hispanic growth in southern states like Virginia, NC, etc - traditionally red states that are turning blue.

Yeah, I've been hammering on that point for a while.  The direction of the party circa Nixonland helped it for decades, but it's tied them to a shrinking segment of the population.

One saving grace is that hispanic identity isn't as defining as black identity in the US.  Long term, as more and more of the latino population are US-born, English-speaking, and a bit more affluent, there will probably be a shift towards thinking of them as more white, if still vaguely ethnic.  This happened with the Irish, Italians, Slavs, etc.  But that was maybe (http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251) helped along by anti-black racism, and I don't see a similarly powerful wedge right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2011, 01:50:20 PM
[youtube=560,345]VIBF2MmfPyc[/youtube]
this guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 23, 2011, 02:03:29 PM
"Submit your ideas online for an executive order."

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 23, 2011, 07:19:02 PM
Tim Pawlenty has announced that he's running.

I think he won't get anywhere: he's a virtual nobody to most people.  The right wing media is going to have to work their asses off to get people to even know who the fuck the guy is.  At least with people like Bush, McCain, or Giuliani, there wasn't that problem.  He'll probably get steamrolled by the Romney money making machine and slink away quietly after poor Iowa and New Hampshire performances.

Regarding hispanics, the problem for the GOP is that they're the fastest growing group in the US and threatens to make solid red states into potential swing states.  As fun as it would be to imagine them shrinking away due to demographics, they're a major party and will sooner make attempts to bring more hispanics into the fold.  For what it's worth, I thought Bush did an ok job trying to warm them up to the idea of going Republican.  The teatards shattered that though and they have to start from scratch.  In 10-15 years, the GOP will have a moment of truth: shrink to nothingness or try to bring in some brown people.  They'll probably try the latter route.  George P. Bush is half latino and the last name is recognizable name to the red states.  Knowing the US and their amnesiac tendencies, the Bush brand will be usable again at that time.

I'm guessing here but I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 23, 2011, 07:29:00 PM
http://excitingthingsabouttimpawlenty.com/ (http://excitingthingsabouttimpawlenty.com/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2011, 07:33:41 PM
Good article on Pawlenty's money problem
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/88802/tim-pawlenty-republicans-2012-campaign-problem-money?page=0,0

If the establishment is going to give him a shot, they better start soon before he gets swamped by Romney's cash.

I'm not buying the George P Bush kool aid just yet. He's currently in the military (:teehee) and hasn't entered politics yet. Gonna wait and see how he pans out. I doubt his name will become significantly less toxic either. Pretty sure we can honestly saw W was one of the worst president's in modern history
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2011, 08:26:33 PM
Pawlenty's giving me this Lamar Alexander vibe, without all the plaid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2011, 08:32:53 PM
Holy shit...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/05/23/pawlenty_campaign_already_dead.html


Fucking OUCH. T-Paw can't catch a break. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2011, 09:30:36 PM
Also, too. The senate's supposed to vote on the Ryan plan this week and I absolutely love how Republicans have boxed themselves in with this predicament.

1) Vote for the bill - See endless ads accusing Reps of killing medicare, thus pretty much fucking up any opportunities to gain seats in 2012.
2) Don't vote for the bill - Suffer the wrath of Boss Limbaugh and his tea bagger ilk.

This is quite glorious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 23, 2011, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2011, 07:33:41 PM
Good article on Pawlenty's money problem
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/88802/tim-pawlenty-republicans-2012-campaign-problem-money?page=0,0

If the establishment is going to give him a shot, they better start soon before he gets swamped by Romney's cash.

I'm not buying the George P Bush kool aid just yet. He's currently in the military (:teehee) and hasn't entered politics yet. Gonna wait and see how he pans out. I doubt his name will become significantly less toxic either. Pretty sure we can honestly saw W was one of the worst president's in modern history

Huckabee will win Iowa much like he did in 2008, barring some huge disaster on his part.  Same goes for Romney in New Hampshire.  Pawlenty isn't going to stand a chance.  Romney has the establishment, Huckabee has the religious, and I'm sure there'll be yet-to-be-announced teabaggers that will snap up the teabagger constituency and funding.  Pawlenty is shit out of luck.

Regarding Bush, I'm just purely guessing here.  Nevertheless the GOP is going to have to do more to focus on hispanics in the near future if they want to remain relevant and they'll want a latino that serves the general GOP cause (ie, business).  I'm just cynically and pessimistically assuming that the GOP will play identity politics first before addressing issues that hispanics want addressed.  Kind of like their recent overcompensating attitude towards women in the past three years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 23, 2011, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 23, 2011, 09:42:31 PM
Huckabee will win Iowa much like he did in 2008, barring some huge disaster on his part.

A disaster like not running?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2011, 09:51:03 PM
Yup, Huckabee isn't running. It seems like he's good friends with Pawlenty though, so perhaps he'll endorse him before the Iowa caucus. Also he seems to genuinely dislike Romney.

Unless someone like Rick Perry jumps in the race, Pawlenty should get the religious right vote which will be essential in Iowa and SC. I just can't see them going for Bachman, who may appeal to them the most but simply isn't electable; evangelicals eventually soured on Palin once they realized she was a non-starter, the same should apply to Bachman.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 23, 2011, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 23, 2011, 09:45:59 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 23, 2011, 09:42:31 PM
Huckabee will win Iowa much like he did in 2008, barring some huge disaster on his part.

A disaster like not running?

I assumed he was running because he's been robocalling the shit out of us for the past couple of weeks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 24, 2011, 10:23:39 AM
There is some funny shit going on in NY-26. The GOP clown party continues to eat it's own and have buyer's remorse with the tea purdy:

Quote
Nevertheless, the latest poll shows Democrat Kathy Hochul with a slight lead over Republican Jane Corwin in the race to succeed Republican Chris Lee. Lee resigned in February after shirtless photos surfaced that he'd sent to a woman on Craigslist.
  :lol

Quote
The poll shows Tea Party candidate Jack Davis a distant third.

Davis' candidacy has further complicated matters for Republicans in a district that has many Tea Party supporters. Local GOP leaders tried to make hay of an eyebrow-raising encounter between Davis and a videographer Davis appeared to shove after the videographer taunted him for refusing to appear in a debate with Hochul and Corwin. The GOP tried to use the video to paint Davis as a bully.
  :lol

Quote
But it backfired when the videographer turned out to be Corwin's chief of staff.
:rofl

huffpo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/24/new-york-special-election_n_866074.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 24, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 23, 2011, 07:19:02 PM
Tim Pawlenty has announced that he's running.

I think he won't get anywhere: he's a virtual nobody to most people.  The right wing media is going to have to work their asses off to get people to even know who the fuck the guy is.  At least with people like Bush, McCain, or Giuliani, there wasn't that problem.  He'll probably get steamrolled by the Romney money making machine and slink away quietly after poor Iowa and New Hampshire performances.

Regarding hispanics, the problem for the GOP is that they're the fastest growing group in the US and threatens to make solid red states into potential swing states.  As fun as it would be to imagine them shrinking away due to demographics, they're a major party and will sooner make attempts to bring more hispanics into the fold.  For what it's worth, I thought Bush did an ok job trying to warm them up to the idea of going Republican.  The teatards shattered that though and they have to start from scratch.  In 10-15 years, the GOP will have a moment of truth: shrink to nothingness or try to bring in some brown people.  They'll probably try the latter route.  George P. Bush is half latino and the last name is recognizable name to the red states.  Knowing the US and their amnesiac tendencies, the Bush brand will be usable again at that time.

I'm guessing here but I'm just sayin'.
Anecdotal evidence incoming...

Out of all the hispanics I know here in Texas, I'd say about 80 percent are hardcore teatard/republican.  They might not agree with the immigration bills, but they're sucking on that deficit/lazy entitlements teat of the party.  Not to mention the Family Values© shit that comes with being highly religious and is hypocritically spouted by the right wing movement.  I'd put money on any election that isn't centered around immigration reforms, they'll vote Republican most likely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2011, 03:40:33 PM
Texas is a conservative state outside of a handful of areas, that's not surprising. But I do think republicans could capture the Hispanic vote eventually if they shitcan the racist shit. Just not anytime soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 24, 2011, 04:44:40 PM
Yeah, obviously Texas is a bit more conservative than average but I always think most people who say that Texas won't be so red in 10 years are kinda naive.  Texas has been and will probably continue to placate the hispanic vote.  People always talk about an Arizona type immigration bill hitting Texas but I don't think Rick Perry or any of the other major GOP players in Texas are stupid enough to touch that with a ten foot pole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 24, 2011, 08:02:24 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on May 24, 2011, 10:24:46 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 23, 2011, 07:19:02 PM
Tim Pawlenty has announced that he's running.

I think he won't get anywhere: he's a virtual nobody to most people.  The right wing media is going to have to work their asses off to get people to even know who the fuck the guy is.  At least with people like Bush, McCain, or Giuliani, there wasn't that problem.  He'll probably get steamrolled by the Romney money making machine and slink away quietly after poor Iowa and New Hampshire performances.

Regarding hispanics, the problem for the GOP is that they're the fastest growing group in the US and threatens to make solid red states into potential swing states.  As fun as it would be to imagine them shrinking away due to demographics, they're a major party and will sooner make attempts to bring more hispanics into the fold.  For what it's worth, I thought Bush did an ok job trying to warm them up to the idea of going Republican.  The teatards shattered that though and they have to start from scratch.  In 10-15 years, the GOP will have a moment of truth: shrink to nothingness or try to bring in some brown people.  They'll probably try the latter route.  George P. Bush is half latino and the last name is recognizable name to the red states.  Knowing the US and their amnesiac tendencies, the Bush brand will be usable again at that time.

I'm guessing here but I'm just sayin'.
Anecdotal evidence incoming...

Out of all the hispanics I know here in Texas, I'd say about 80 percent are hardcore teatard/republican.  They might not agree with the immigration bills, but they're sucking on that deficit/lazy entitlements teat of the party.  Not to mention the Family Values© shit that comes with being highly religious and is hypocritically spouted by the right wing movement.  I'd put money on any election that isn't centered around immigration reforms, they'll vote Republican most likely.

It's going to take some time for the GOP to successfully merge the hispanic vote with the "dey took our jerbs" set from the non-border red states.  They won't have much of a choice after a while if they want to remain a major political force.

I had an old roommate who had a lot of latino/latina relatives who were huge Republicans.  I never talked to them post-tea party as to whether they were still Republicans so that could have changed.  I don't really subscribe to the masturbatory theory that the GOP will dwindle away to nothing because they refused to reach out to the ever growing hispanic vote.  There will be a time, after enough bitter old white people have died, to where they can make the leap and go from there.  If I was the GOP, I'd be working my ass off to secure the hispanic vote, which would guarantee decades of dominance after putting in some effort.  Their choice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2011, 10:02:49 PM
It won't take republicans long to figure out how to exploit Hispanics over illegal immigration ("illegals make us look bad"). They're already a fiercely religious group too, so there's that. So while I certainly believe their racist/divisive fear tactics are going to backfire hard, they're going to find a way to carve the demographic pie a bit more in their favor, slightly. Obama got nearly 70% of the Hispanic vote, against a republican with a moderate record on illegal immigration (outside of the whole "vote against your own bill to pander to old white people" thing). I don't think those types of high numbers will last, especially considering democrats dragging their feet on Hispanic issues until it's election time
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2011, 10:15:16 PM
double post: Dems just picked up the NY-26 seat. Number one issue according to exit polls: Medicare. Dems could still fuck things up, and I half expect them to, but this race should be the blueprint of how things are run next year. The Ryan budget is toxic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 24, 2011, 11:09:59 PM
Dems'll probably fuck this up, but we all should thank Paul "the serious intellectual' Ryan for giving them some more ammo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 25, 2011, 08:53:45 AM
More like Paul 'The republican killer' Ryan. 2012 is gonna be a blood bath. Any chance of Dem's getting the super majority back?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 25, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on May 25, 2011, 08:53:45 AM
More like Paul 'The republican killer' Ryan. 2012 is gonna be a blood bath. Any chance of Dem's getting the super majority back?
Not likely.  Too many Dem seats up for grabs this election. 

And yeah, the hispanics I know that liked Obama are already turning on him for his inaction on illegal immigration.  They've been the victim of bait and switch for the last 3 elections and I'm not sure it'll work in 2012 for Obama.  He really should have made at least an effort besides the DREAM act. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 25, 2011, 12:53:14 PM
I'd say not doing enough is still leagues better then the outright hostility coming from the other side.  A latino republican might as well also be gay, black, poor, and a female to better cater to all the niches that the GOP gives no fucks for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 25, 2011, 01:01:22 PM
Yep. What my man Mupepe said right on the mark. Obama underestimated the Hispanic vote and it will come back and bite him in the ass if he doesn't do something right now. Even then it may be too late. Hispanics tend to vote conservative because they tend to be socially conservative, religious upbringing and all. Obama should have realized that the key to victory is the hispanic vote and should have set off to getting that shit down on lock.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 25, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
At least Bush pushed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 though.  Obama pushed the DREAM act in a lame duck session tied to DADT which also pissed off a lot of hispanics (even though it would have and eventually did fail on its own).  Most hispanics will probably vote for whoever promises to ease immigration, amnesty or some legal path to citizenship.  And if Republicans wise up, it could very well be them.  I'm not saying it's in their best interest or the most intelligent decision on their part (and I do agree not doing anything is better than supporting a party that outright publicly hates you) but I think it will happen.  It's an issue that hits way too close to home for a lot of hispanics to play around with.  Talk to any hispanic family and I guarantee they have a relative or friend that is here illegally.  Priority #1 in most cases is finding a candidate that will truly support a way for them to safely and legally stay in the US.

Edit: High five himumumu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 25, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
Dude, every hispanic I know has at least one relative or friend or WAS illegal. Shit, Luis didn't get his citizenship until high school.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 25, 2011, 04:03:55 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 25, 2011, 01:10:52 PM
Dude, every hispanic I know has at least one relative or friend or WAS illegal. Shit, Luis didn't get his citizenship until high school.

Reported to INS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 25, 2011, 04:30:32 PM
So seeing as how potent the medicare argument was for the NY-26 election, what's the first thing Dems do? Cut medicare of course!

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At his weekly Capitol briefing with reporters Tuesday, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) confirmed what aides in both parties have been telling reporters: Cuts to Medicare will be on the table in deficit and debt limit negotiations, led by Vice President Joe Biden.

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/05/25/978910/-Hoyer:-Medicare-cuts-are-on-the-debt-limit-negotiating-table?via=blog_1 (http://dailykos.com/story/2011/05/25/978910/-Hoyer:-Medicare-cuts-are-on-the-debt-limit-negotiating-table?via=blog_1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 25, 2011, 06:15:10 PM
So the Senate took the vote today. Failed 57-40:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55721.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 25, 2011, 06:58:43 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 25, 2011, 06:15:10 PM
So the Senate took the vote today. Failed 57-40:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55721.html


(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/05/PaulRyan-MitchMcConnell-Split-cropped-proto-custom_24.jpg)

I actually am unsure if this is a funny photo of McConnell regarding this...or just a photo of McConnell
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 26, 2011, 09:25:29 AM
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/james-okeefe/james-okeefe-travel-denied-426093

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2011, 02:18:42 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304066504576343611464445594.html

Stephen Moore decries the possibility of a high marginal rate on rich people.  Not new or original at all, but felt like sharing it because it's just about the most basic, generic form of the Lying With Statistics op-ed, making stock arguments that sounds plausible if you don't have a background in sorting through the bullshit.

Oddly enough, I first got familiar with this kind of jiggery-pokery reading Tom Boswell and other sports columnists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 27, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
i knew it was a bullshit article by scanning to the last paragraph: "Perhaps there can still be a happy ending to this sad tale of U.S. decline. If there were ever a right time to trade in the junk heap of our federal tax code for a pro-growth Steve Forbes-style flat tax, now's the time."

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2011, 09:26:36 PM
Quote
Now let's consider how our tax system today compares with the system that was in place in the late 1980s—when the deficit was only about one-quarter as large as a share of GDP as it is now. After the landmark Tax Reform Act of 1986, which closed special-interest loopholes in exchange for top marginal rates of 28%, the highest combined federal-state marginal tax rate was about 33%.

Two things:

1) Was the economic boom that republicans like to mention during the Reagan years localized in his final two years?

2) Didn't we have some sort of economic crisis shortly after those tax rates were enacted?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 28, 2011, 01:37:56 AM
Also, too. Has anyone found themselves not caring about Palin saying anything anymore? I don't mean about running for president, but just anything in general. Normally when I see her say something idiotic (which is every time), I'm pretty much already convulsing, but over the past few weeks, her dumbosity's managed to not faze me in the slightest.

Part of that I think is cause of people like Trump and Gingrich siphoning distinguished mentally-challenged fellow neutrinos from her. Palin's gotta step up her game.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 28, 2011, 03:19:50 AM
she's like Bill Russell compared to Karem-Abdul Jabar compared to Shaq.  Sure, she broke through a whole bunch of barriers in dumbassery and was and would be today an undeniable competitor, but others have picked up her baton and bettered her in so many ways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 28, 2011, 07:25:53 AM
Nobody should have given a fuck about Palin, ever.  Especially past November 3, 2008.  The media's constant fixation of her was pathetic.  The fact that they treated Palin's dumbass tirades on the equivalent of an Obama response to an event (see: Gabrielle Giffords) is vomit inducing.  I understand it garners ratings from the fans and the haters who claim that she isn't worth a shit yet can't stop talking about her but jesus.

I agree with HyperZoneWasAwesome.  So many people have out-Palined Palin that she no longer has that narcissistic, marginally attractive, intellectually incurious niche to herself :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 28, 2011, 01:08:56 PM
isn't she now the gop frontrunner? i suspect her fifteen minutes aren't up yet... :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2011, 01:40:42 PM
Palin won't run. If there's one thing we know about her by now, it's that she doesn't like to do anything hard. She didn't properly prepare for debates or interviews as VP, why would she decide to do it now when she could be raking in cash across the country?

Latest national GOP poll shows Gulianni is the new front runner :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 28, 2011, 05:32:50 PM
I can't wait until she makes a reality TV show about her running for 2012 :hyper

While I don't think she's running either, her ego is such that she enjoys dangling the proverbial carrot in front of the face of the public and will do so for months to come.  She will probably end up rallying for Bachmann.  Unlike Trump where he considered running as a brief ego stroke, Palin is considering running to whip up enough fervor over her (good and bad, which leads to more good for her) to get multimillion dollar deals for a new book and/or TV show deal out of the works.  It's considerably less tougher than dealing with the gotcha journalism of such devious journalists like Katie Couric.  The good news is that if the winner of the primary is Giuliani or Romney or someone in that vein, Palin will be sabotaging their run, much like McCain in 2008.  She doesn't know when to shut the fuck up, which make for some nice political hay for the Democrats.

Her 15 minutes aren't going to be up until she loses the MILF factor.  So we could see all of this bullshit again for the 2016 race :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 28, 2011, 06:19:34 PM
I almost forgot: the latest and greatest manufactured GOP outrage of the day. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/la-times-columnist-obamas-pauses-while-speaking-due-to-%E2%80%98intellectual-stammer%E2%80%99/)

This kind of conflicts with the GOP's earlier assumption that Obama did horribly in school so there are some conservatard blogs and twatter accounts that were alight over this story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
I like how the article suggests Obama and Bush are clearly more alike than many would believe because they both went to Ivy league schools. The C student and the Harvard Law Review head, joined at the hip.

There's a difference between Obama talking off the cuff and say, Sarah Palin talking off the cuff. And that's all that needs to be said
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 28, 2011, 07:23:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2011, 06:56:31 PM
I like how the article suggests Obama and Bush are clearly more alike than many would believe because they both went to Ivy league schools. The C student and the Harvard Law Review head, joined at the hip.

There's a difference between Obama talking off the cuff and say, Sarah Palin talking off the cuff. And that's all that needs to be said

The article was pretty dumb (nobody gives a shit about Obama stammering; this article is just material for the Obama cult set spank bank) but the right wing reaction to it is telling.  A lot of these people still think Obama got into these schools and positions because he is black.  Any mention of Obama being anything other than a gibbering tarbaby will bring right wing outrage.

Speaking of right wing outrage, a good article written by Rolling Stone regarding Fox News' Roger Ailes. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525?page=1)  It's a 13 page read but it's worth reading!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2011, 07:36:05 PM
It's a typical white privilege argument: a black man cannot achieve anything without being the beneficiary of some advantage a white man is not privy to. Donald Trump sort of started this with his questions over Obama's school records; while republicans in the past raised the issue to question Obama's college age views or who paid for his education, Trump argued Obama was a poor student and didn't deserve to get into Harvard. Which of course insinuates that Obama, who became head of the Harvard Law Review, only got into a premier law school because he's black

And of course any pushback against the argument results in the classic "hey now, you brought race into this discussion not me!" retort.

Remember back in 08 when one of McCain's talking points was that while Obama is a great speaker, he's wrong for the country blah blah blah? Now republicans can't even acknowledge something like that, or give Obama any type of compliment. It's all apart of this long running attempt to dehumanize him at every cost. McCain played along with that too, I'm not denying it, but at least he had some sense of decency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 28, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2011, 07:36:05 PM
It's a typical white privilege argument: a black man cannot achieve anything without being the beneficiary of some advantage a white man is not privy to. Donald Trump sort of started this with his questions over Obama's school records; while republicans in the past raised the issue to question Obama's college age views or who paid for his education, Trump argued Obama was a poor student and didn't deserve to get into Harvard. Which of course insinuates that Obama, who became head of the Harvard Law Review, only got into a premier law school because he's black

And of course any pushback against the argument results in the classic "hey now, you brought race into this discussion not me!" retort.

Remember back in 08 when one of McCain's talking points was that while Obama is a great speaker, he's wrong for the country blah blah blah? Now republicans can't even acknowledge something like that, or give Obama any type of compliment. It's all apart of this long running attempt to dehumanize him at every cost. McCain played along with that too, I'm not denying it, but at least he had some sense of decency.

Agreed but even if Republicans wanted to acknowledge something positive about Obama, they can't, lest they get beaten in their election year primary by a teabagger who will probably lose the seat to a Democrat.

"How smart is Obama really?" will be the new "where is his birth certificate?" which is basically a repackaging of calling him a distinguished black fellow.  Since the GOP has done a good job of convincing themselves that Obama is absolutely toxic, they can only sink lower into dehumanization.  With any luck, they will get so zealous and outrageous that anyplace other than the deep south will get turned off by it come pollin time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 28, 2011, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 28, 2011, 07:23:56 PM
Speaking of right wing outrage, a good article written by Rolling Stone regarding Fox News' Roger Ailes. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525?page=1)  It's a 13 page read but it's worth reading!

Glad I bailed on Fox News ages ago.

All my political news comes from this thread. :rock

Edit: It's really shocking that Shepard Smith is still with Fox, since he pretty much just tosses the talking points in the trash and says what he wants.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 29, 2011, 12:29:27 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 28, 2011, 06:19:34 PM
I almost forgot: the latest and greatest manufactured GOP outrage of the day. (http://www.mediaite.com/online/la-times-columnist-obamas-pauses-while-speaking-due-to-%E2%80%98intellectual-stammer%E2%80%99/)

This kind of conflicts with the GOP's earlier assumption that Obama did horribly in school so there are some conservatard blogs and twatter accounts that were alight over this story.

There's Faux outrage, and then there's just grasping at shitstraws. Obama sometimes takes a second to construct a thought out answer, because you know, it's not like comments by the POTUS matter. Thinking before you talk? WELL I NEVER

It's funny how their image of Obama as bumbler who can't speak without a teleprompter (fuck, was that outrage of the week particularly dumb), contrasts with OBAMA THE GREAT MESMERIZER. At least keep your bullshit narratives self-consistent kayplz?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 30, 2011, 08:23:16 AM
Last time I'll talk about Palin for a while but it looks like her Summer 2011 Tour of Fail kicked off yesterday:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-29/sarah-palin-joins-rolling-thunder-bikers-for-ride-to-freedom-.html

Here she is on a bike kickin it with bikers n' shit

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/05/29/t1larg.sarah-palin-motorcycle.t1larg.jpg)

Day 2: She might make a stop at Philly today! (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/politics/Sarah_Palin_Philadelphia_Memorial_Day_053011)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Tristam on May 30, 2011, 05:46:38 PM
Spot the black guy in that photograph.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 30, 2011, 06:25:08 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/191280/newtimpawlentyslogan.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 30, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
oh wow i can't wait to vote for a doofus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 30, 2011, 08:11:05 PM
Oh so true
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 08:27:26 PM
Pawlenty should grow a beard. Anything to make him stand out, and ensure my bet on him winning the nom comes true
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 30, 2011, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 08:27:26 PM
Pawlenty should grow a beard. Anything to make him stand out, and ensure my bet on him winning the nom comes true

He'll be out before Super Tuesday.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 30, 2011, 10:30:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2011, 08:27:26 PM
Pawlenty should grow a beard. Anything to make him stand out, and ensure my bet on him winning the nom comes true

He never should have cut off the mullet

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4rK9scvZ7E[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 01:16:13 AM
(http://api.photoshop.com/home_e4b2cc204d524b3d823d04799a29b3dd/adobe-px-thumbnails/e065d085ea3e420992072ea49f8ed957/1024.jpg?md=1283986880000)

I'd buy this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 01:20:05 AM
who's the guy in the bench supposed to be
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 02:06:35 AM
I'm trying to sort out the dynamics of the ex-presidents.  Clinton and both Roosevelts are obviously on Team Evil, while three founders plus Reagan and Lincoln are horrified, but the others are vague.  Whose side are JFK and Dubya on?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 02:38:19 AM
W is pointing at the distressed white man on the bench, while JFK is pointing at the trampled constitution. So I'd say they're both on Team America
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 03:28:11 AM
Yeah, I think you're right.

I was wondering if they were making Bush sympathetic with Obama while co-opting JFK as a sort of Tea Party style "non-partisan" gesture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 31, 2011, 09:47:43 AM
Revisionists history at its finest. That is some delusional shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 31, 2011, 10:30:20 AM
George Washington bowing before a black man

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 31, 2011, 01:34:35 PM
also note the scattered money on the ground, the broke-ass (depressed, you might say) dude on the bench, and Richard Nixon looking on at the "bad" presidents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 02:35:56 PM
I can't tell if Nixon is glaring angrily at the bad presidents, or if that's just how his face is and he's really supporting them.  Also trying to figure out Woodrow Wilson's affiliation.  Maybe all the background presidents are just there to symbolize history, and don't care as much about the political conflict as the free cake they were promised to get them to show up.

And who's that way in the back just to the left of Reagan's head?  I'd swear it was Edgar Allen Poe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 31, 2011, 02:40:54 PM
"It's time to put the WHITE back in WHITE HOUSE"


I should run the Republican campaign for whoever gets the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 31, 2011, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 02:35:56 PM
And who's that way in the back just to the left of Reagan's head?  I'd swear it was Edgar Allen Poe.
Kinda looks like Grant
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 02:58:37 PM
Nah, I mean waaaay in the back, the head immediately to the left of Reagan's (and two to the right of Grant's).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2011, 03:10:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on May 31, 2011, 02:58:37 PM
Nah, I mean waaaay in the back, the head immediately to the left of Reagan's (and two to the right of Grant's).

Looks like Franklin Pierce.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 04:44:26 PM
Why is FDR giving his cousin Teddy such a loving glare. Perhaps this is to represent homosexuality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 05:00:45 PM
Well FDR DID marry a distant cousin iirc. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2011, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 01:20:05 AM
who's the guy in the bench supposed to be

The white guy that didn't get into Harvard so that Obama's under achieving ass made it in.  Affirmative action ruined his life, now he sucks dick in rest stop bathrooms for five dollar bills to feed his crack addiction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 31, 2011, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 01:20:05 AM
who's the guy in the bench supposed to be

The white guy that didn't get into Harvard so that Obama's under achieving ass made it in.  Affirmative action ruined his life, now he sucks dick in rest stop bathrooms for five dollar bills to feed his crack addiction.

Sounds like Obama's gay limo driver/lover
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
I do have to say, I'm somewhat surprised the Reps cast out Teddy Roosevelt. I imagine Lincoln's too well respected in elementary school history books to snub, at least for now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 31, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
I do have to say, I'm somewhat surprised the Reps cast out Teddy Roosevelt. I imagine Lincoln's too well respected in elementary school history books to snub, at least for now.

In 1912, one of Roosevelt's big campaign platforms was socialized health care.  He may as well be Lenin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 06:33:46 PM
Roosevelt was the first president who convinced me to go to the library and learn more about him, after history class. I took a post-reconstruction through Depression class in highschool, and I was just fascinated by his...balls. I thought Andrew Jackson was badass too of course, but Teddy was right up my alley.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 31, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 31, 2011, 10:30:20 AM
George Washington bowing before a black man

:bow

I think that is James Madison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
So ... that picture means we should spend more money helping the homeless, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
So ... that picture means we should spend more money helping the homeless, right?

The white, Christian homeless of course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
I could see a painting like that appealing to people on either side. I mean, Obama's just got this totally oblivious look on his face, he's just standing there and he doesn't care at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 31, 2011, 07:22:05 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 31, 2011, 06:37:39 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 31, 2011, 10:30:20 AM
George Washington bowing before a black man

:bow

I think that is James Madison.

Then I'm really glad I didn't go with my "Washington is trying to catch one of Obama's hard rabbit-like turds to use as teeth"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 31, 2011, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 31, 2011, 06:15:12 PM
I do have to say, I'm somewhat surprised the Reps cast out Teddy Roosevelt. I imagine Lincoln's too well respected in elementary school history books to snub, at least for now.

In 1912, one of Roosevelt's big campaign platforms was socialized health care.  He may as well be Lenin.

Oh, I'm well aware of Roosevelt's Amurrica hatin policies, but it'd be surprising if the average tea bagger did. You'd think most people would know him for his love of shootin things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2011, 09:23:26 PM
Actually Tea Partiers are well versed in American history thanks to Glen Beck. Notice the calm, triumphantly smug face on history's greatest monster: Woodrow Wilson

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]pWqbEB0MhRs[/youtube]
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on June 01, 2011, 08:48:05 AM
Obama's first 2012 campaign ad.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIA5aszzA18&feature=pyv&ad=9961775276&kw=obama[/youtube]
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 11:00:05 AM
won't get any pushback from me bro, I like that ad :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 01, 2011, 05:26:54 PM
There are some flooding conditions in my area.  The teabaggers that I work with were primarily concerned about these two things:

1) That is was definitely NOT caused by climate change effects (even though we've had three flood years in the past five; a historical first)
2) That it was definitely caused by Obama instead.  He ordered those levees upstream to be as backed up as they are currently at.

They've more or less agreed to change the referencing of the flood from "the flood" to "Obama's flood."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2011, 08:12:50 PM
http://www.teapartyhd.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 01, 2011, 08:31:48 PM
It's funny to watch repubs yank Herman Cain's chain like they would ever give him the nomination when it came right down to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2011, 01:58:10 AM
So, uh... no mentions of Wiener-gate so far?

EB am disappoint.

For shame.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 02, 2011, 02:02:20 AM
:-\ breitbart :-\ http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/29/980400/-Breitbarts-#TwitterHoaxHow-It-Went-Down-(updated-wsmoking-gun)?via=siderec
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 02, 2011, 02:45:34 AM
Ratfucking!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2011, 02:49:08 AM
Seems like a complete and utter hoax by people who don't understand how social media works. Yet I'm still baffled by Weiner's "maybe it's me maybe it's not" response. I had originally thought the pic was real, but hadn't been sent to the girl in question, and instead was in his account; and why would someone have those types of pictures of themselves unless they were creeping for women or men.

Breitbart is a borderline sociopath. And like his other hoaxes, this one will be used to point out democratic/media hypocrisy in an attempt to gain traction. "Bubububu the media went crazy over Chris Lee's photos but they're ignoring Weiner's!!?!?!" Well yea, because they're fake you piece of shit.

Weiner is an epic troll, but since when does that justify attempting to ruin his career and marriage with bullshit. It might have worked if these idiots didn't telegraph everything to blatantly (ie "hey guys how do I make a picture look like it was posted somewhere it wasn't posted? kkthnxbye")

edit: Weiner sounds guilty as fuck here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/43245844#43245844
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 02, 2011, 03:09:13 AM
isn't that the kinda thing people you know, get in big legal trouble for.  I mean knowingly and maliciously slandering (libel?) a person.

just askin.  I live for the day that Fox News or some affiliate goon goes to court for their bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2011, 09:09:30 AM
"Weiner"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2011, 12:03:22 PM
So when Mitt Romney says that Obama has failed America, is he conceding that staunch gop obstruction and economic sabotage was successful?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2011, 04:58:32 PM
I just shook hands with Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.  :o

Her entourage was 4 smokin ladies. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 12:38:31 AM
Romney reaffirms stance that global warming is real (http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/06/04/romney_reaffirms_stance_that_global_warming_is_real/?page=2)

I won't get many chances to do this, so props to Mitt Romney.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2011, 01:42:24 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 12:38:31 AM
Romney reaffirms stance that global warming is real (http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/06/04/romney_reaffirms_stance_that_global_warming_is_real/?page=2)

I won't get many chances to do this, so props to Mitt Romney.

Conceding man has "some" impact on climate change is not a particularly brave position; have any of the major candidates said man has absolutely no impact on climate change?. I can't give him props for admitting the sun rises. It's like the scientific equivalent of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFTLKWvfE0&t=2m15s)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 04, 2011, 01:45:17 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2011, 01:42:24 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 12:38:31 AM
Romney reaffirms stance that global warming is real (http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/06/04/romney_reaffirms_stance_that_global_warming_is_real/?page=2)

I won't get many chances to do this, so props to Mitt Romney.

Conceding man has "some" impact on climate change is not a particularly brave position; have any of the major candidates said man has absolutely no impact on climate change?. I can't give him props for admitting the sun rises. It's like the scientific equivalent of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzFTLKWvfE0&t=2m15s)

It is if you're running for the Republican nomination for POTUS. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Mitt Romney is running for the nomination of the Sun Doesn't Rise party, so yes it's "particularly brave".  In fact, particular is exactly the kind of brave it is.



PS Chris Rock shoulda never done that bit, or at least not let white people see it.  I remember when it came out and white dudes were all taking it as universal permission to agree with the catchphrase and quote it ad nauseum.


PPS Everyone also started saying "You want a cookie?"  Which was BS, because I did want a cookie (and still do!) but they were only just being sarcastic cunts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2011, 02:07:02 AM
Dunno man. I'm sure the Bachmans of the world will argue against common sense here, but I want to hear Pawlenty or even Gingrich suggest man has no impact on climate.

Agreed on Rock, but it's the first thing I thought of when I read the story earlier today. Although on facebook a friend pointed out...

me: he's merely stating a fact very few people disagree with. how would that hurt him
him: oh agreed. just like saying mandates keep health care costs lower, or Israel/Palestine talks should be based on 1967 lines w/land swaps!
me: fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 04, 2011, 03:04:36 AM
The problem is that a lot of GOP primary voters hold beliefs that are crazy and wrong.  If you say so you alienate them, but if you profess to agree with them you open yourself up to ridicule (to a certain extent).

The solution is to avoid making a definitive statement one way or the other.  Mischaracterize the "liberal" position, obfuscate the issue with vague language, stick to talking points and don't answer direct questions.  Just keep bullshitting.

What a Republican candidate should say is something like this:


"Of course we should be concerned about preserving our environment.  But Democrats have tried to politicize the issue by using scare tactics to push their big government agenda.  They tell us the world is about to end and that higher taxes are the only way to save it; what a surprise!  [wait for laughter to die down]  We don't need new taxes that will drive up gas prices for average Americans.  What we need is a sensible policy based not on alarmism and fearmongering but on hard science, a policy that moves us forward towards energy independence and creates jobs, that invests in new technology and harnesses our resources as a nation.  God bless and good night!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2011, 03:22:57 AM
Romney also took a pretty definitive stance on the birther issue fwiw.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2011, 03:31:43 PM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38678_Palin_Fans_Trying_to_Edit_Wikipedia_Paul_Revere_Page

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 06, 2011, 03:39:54 PM
Jeez.

"Sarah Palin is a former governor of Alaska as well as a presidential candidate of one of the two national parties in the United States. Her account of Paul Revere's famous ride has achieved national attention from most mainstream media -- LA Times, CNN, you name it. There are numerous reliable sources quoted her exact words on this subject. This article has HUGE attention (55K readers in one day) as a result. Clearly, there should be some mention given its obvious importance. And I remind people, kindly, that it's not up to us contributors to determine who is and isn't a "poorly informed view" and to try to determine truth. Rather, Wikipedia is about verifiability.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)"


I suppose that's one approach to historiography.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2011, 04:33:47 PM
Palin fans are reminding me of Gaga fans with this "validation through popularity" stuff
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2011, 04:43:58 PM
oh weiner, no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
Weiner's wife sounds quite forgiving. More like a mom after being told her son smoked a bowl.

What a shame. And look at Brietbart standing in the midst of the press conference relishing the moment. God dammit, he was right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 06, 2011, 05:03:48 PM
Breitbart pulling a Jose Canseco.  Oh well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2011, 05:10:14 PM
So is Harold Ford going to challenge him in a primary?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 06, 2011, 05:22:11 PM
Goddamn Wiener. Forget the damage he's probably done to his political career, or all the pain he's caused his wife, the most offensive thing about this whole ordeal is that it legitimizes that scumbag, Breitbart.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 07, 2011, 04:27:17 AM
http://teamcoco.com/content/sarah-palin-corrects-paul-revere-error
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2011, 04:48:30 AM
A hyper-abrasive New York Jew as a presidential candidate?

Of my heart, maybe, but not of the United States federal government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 07, 2011, 04:59:46 AM
him and Feingold on the same ticket just has a pleasing sound, don't it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 07, 2011, 09:30:33 AM
That dude was never ever gonna be President lol, but it was nice to see him spit fire
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 07, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 07, 2011, 04:59:46 AM
him and Feingold on the same ticket just has a pleasing sound, don't it.

Still hard to swallow that Feingold lost :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 07, 2011, 10:03:44 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 07, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 07, 2011, 04:59:46 AM
him and Feingold on the same ticket just has a pleasing sound, don't it.

Still hard to swallow that Feingold lost :usacry

It's ok, he's gonna end up being Governor in another couple years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 07, 2011, 05:52:59 PM
Weiner is a rare breed: a Democrat with balls.  It's a shame that he did such a stupid thing but at the same time, it seemed unlikely that he was going to be President anyway.  If he wanted to be the mayor of New York or a Senator, this won't be any big deal, given enough time.  Hopefully he doesn't slink out because we're losing that rare breed: Alan Grayson and Russ Feingold got the boot, Paul Wellstone is dead, and all that is pretty much left is Al Franken and to a lesser extent, Nancy Pelosi and Pete Stark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2011, 08:05:55 PM
I'm just flabbergasted that he doesn't know the difference between a picture message and a twitter post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2011, 08:25:02 PM
Al Franken gets things done though. I get the impression Weiner is essentially nothing more than that guy who goes on Fox/MSNBC to spew talking points. You rarely see Franken on television, whereas that's all Weiner does. Considering that, what will he do now that he can't go on television without being bombarded with personal questions/causing distractions.

I'm guessing he won't last long.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 07, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Weiner's facial structure reminds me a lot of Beavis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 08, 2011, 01:23:16 AM
Wait, we're caring about this Weiner thing now? Why exactly are we caring again? Was there an actual victim here? (Genuine question)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 08, 2011, 01:25:28 AM
he showed adult women ON THE INTERNET his PENIS, i.e. he is olimario
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2011, 01:57:31 AM
To be fair, when we cared about Weiner before it wasn't cause he actually changed anything, just that he gave lefties an honest, angry catharsis.

Now he's giving Fox News viewers some sexy lulz.  Fair play.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 08, 2011, 02:49:36 AM
Somehow I seem to have suppressed all memory of ever caring about him for any reason, but I'll take your word for it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2011, 03:17:04 AM
Well I don't remember you ostentatiously not-caring about him either, bub.

Next thing you'll be carping about the royal wedding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 08, 2011, 03:59:01 AM
Nah, like most Americans I enjoyed hearing about the royal wedding as it gave me an excuse to snicker a bit at the British and their crazy inbred traditions. "Baron Carrickfergus", lulz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 08, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
Sarah Palin's 2011 Tour of Fail continues.  She wanted to meet Margaret Thatcher and got rebuffed.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/06/08/sarah_palin_margaret_thatcher_thatcher_ally_says_meeting_won_t_h.html

Quote
“Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts.”

So says an unnamed “ally” of former British Prime Minster Margaret Thatcher about Sarah Palin’s wishes to meet with the Iron Lady, according to the Guardian.

The former Republican vice-presidential nominee recently told the Sunday Times that she hopes to meet Thatcher in England later this summer while on her way to Sudan in July.

“I am just hoping Mrs. Thatcher is well enough to see me as I so admire her,” Palin said.

But the Independent points out that the 85-year-old Thatcher has stopped making public appearances due to poor health and “is seldom at home for guests.” She even missed her own 85th-birthday celebration.

An aide told the paper, “Nowadays, the Lady rarely meets people at all. If a meeting went ahead it would be very much low-key, and would very much depend on how things were on the day. We don't make firm appointments for this sort of meeting."

Given that "low-key" events aren't really Palin's style, a meeting of the two women seemed unlikely from the start.

The former prime minister will, however, attend the July 4 unveiling of a statue of Ronald Regan outside the United States Embassy in London.

The Guardian’s source seemed to reiterate that this will not be an opportunity for Palin to meet Thatcher: “Margaret is focusing on Ronald Reagan and will attend the unveiling of the statue. That is her level.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2011, 03:09:22 PM
Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) - AP sources: Senior aides on Gingrich presidential campaign resign en masse

Truly the Julius Caesar of our time
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
Quote
At least he wasn't being treated for cancer when his staff abandoned him.
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Post by: Beardo on June 09, 2011, 05:17:48 PM
[youtube=560,345]dcuqM1LEi5c[/youtube]
 
:lol

Poor liberals. dressed up as zombies really? And you guys give tea party people a hard time for wearing a tricornered hat.  :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2011, 08:49:59 PM
Random thing I was wondering:

Something that I've been wondering about. When supply side economics was introduced, its appeal was supposed to lay in the idea that if you cut taxes, you INCREASE revenue. At the same time, one of Reagan's arguments for tax cuts was that it would control government spending, by depriving the government of revenue (he said it was like cutting a child's allowance, since that would force them to be frugal). But..if the idea is that it increases revenues, why would you need to cut spending?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2011, 01:48:14 AM
Because PUPPY DOGS, SUNSHINE AND LOLLY POPS THAT'S WHY!  WHOOOOOOOO!!!

Who the fuck knows, Reagan was a senile puppet that used white resentment to give rich people a fuck ton of tax cuts and ruin the country... sound familiar?  All except the senile part, anyways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2011, 01:34:42 PM
oh my god Gingrich
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/gingrich-defiant-fundamental-difference-with-the-traditional-consulting-community-video.php?ref=fpblg

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on June 13, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Just saw human centipede. Best metaphor for socialism ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: Beardo on June 13, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Just saw human centipede. Best metaphor for socialism ever.

Uh...wouldn't it actually be a metaphor for capitalism?

Guy on top gets the food, everybody else gets da poopoo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 01:42:23 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: Beardo on June 13, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Just saw human centipede. Best metaphor for socialism ever.

Uh...wouldn't it actually be a metaphor for capitalism?

Guy on top gets the food, everybody else gets da poopoo.
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: Beardo on June 13, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Just saw human centipede. Best metaphor for socialism ever.

Uh...wouldn't it actually be a metaphor for capitalism?

Guy on top gets the food, everybody else gets da poopoo.

Perfect
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 13, 2011, 02:58:07 PM
I've always wondered who's alt Beardo was, it has to be GR, that was TOO GOOD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 13, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
I roffled
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2011, 06:12:58 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: Beardo on June 13, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Just saw human centipede. Best metaphor for socialism ever.

Uh...wouldn't it actually be a metaphor for capitalism?

Guy on top gets the food, everybody else gets da poopoo.

Analihilated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 06:43:00 PM
GOP debate tonight at 8pm on CNN

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2011, 09:32:06 PM
Aw man, Ron Paul just argued illegal immigrants should be turned away from emergency care
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 13, 2011, 11:48:53 PM
Boggles my mind (no it doesn't) that so many libertarians, who are all for the free flow of capital, are okay with strict immigration laws.

Should a foreigner be able to buy a house in the US?  Of course!  Should that person be allowed to live there?  No.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 14, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2011, 10:34:29 AM
Quote from: Beardo on June 13, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
Just saw human centipede. Best metaphor for socialism ever.

Uh...wouldn't it actually be a metaphor for capitalism?

Guy on top gets the food, everybody else gets da poopoo.

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2011, 11:38:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]EZ3B8WvVjL4[/youtube]
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/in-ca-36-democrat-calls-for-blanket-condemnation-of-stunning-new-web-ad-video.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2011, 11:56:25 PM
what is this I don't even
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2011, 12:10:47 AM
That's a pretty despicable video, but you gotta admit it had a pretty hot beat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 15, 2011, 09:35:18 AM
Quote from: http://www.npr.org/2011/06/13/137036622/skip-the-legalese-and-keep-it-short-justices-say
All of the justices talk about "legalese" in disparaging terms, and many refer to great fiction writers as masters of language.

"The only good way to learn about writing is to read good writing," says Chief Justice John Roberts.

That sentiment is echoed by Breyer, who points to Proust, Stendhal and Montesquieu as his inspirations. Justice Anthony Kennedy loves Hemingway, Shakespeare, Solzhenitsyn, Dickens and Trollope.

Justice Thomas says a good legal brief reminds him of the TV show 24. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg says one of the great influences on her writing was her European literature professor at Cornell, Vladimir Nabokov — yes, the same Nabokov who later rocked the literary world with his widely acclaimed novel Lolita.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 16, 2011, 10:48:55 AM
Soooo, can someone with more knowledge give some insight into the Greece situation?  The media is portraying it as pretty dismal but I don't know if that's just sensationalism or not.  What are the chances of a default and what kind of effect do you think it'd have?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 16, 2011, 04:19:57 PM
:piss quitters :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 16, 2011, 05:34:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]JTzMqm2TwgE[/youtube]

Setting aside for a moment the "omg teh moveon is teh LIBRUL BIAS" thing, can someone explain to me how all of the facts in this video aren't, you know, FACTS and the conclusion is pretty self-evident?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2011, 05:38:26 PM
I don't know, but whenever I see him, I think of this:

[youtube=560,345]kWliylnxSrA[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2011, 05:41:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 16, 2011, 05:34:08 PM
[youtube=560,345]JTzMqm2TwgE[/youtube]

Setting aside for a moment the "omg teh moveon is teh LIBRUL BIAS" thing, can someone explain to me how all of the facts in this video aren't, you know, FACTS and the conclusion is pretty self-evident?

Don't really see what the problem is here. In just a few more years, I'll be super-rich. Why should I vote for higher tax on the super-rich? Basically shooting myself in the foot there, which is pretty stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 16, 2011, 05:44:18 PM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/educated-dog-wearing-suit-and-tie.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 16, 2011, 09:30:38 PM
Most poor conservatives, libertarians, and republicans think that a huge pot o' gold is just waiting for them around the corner.  So they see the top 1% or better yet, the 1% of the 1% as their friend and ally to the cause.  These people believe that if they keep the tax rates low for the super rich, the super rich will kick off a few more crumbs off of their table to them.  That and most poor conservatives believe that only them and the super rich are the only people who actually do work; Democrats just lounge about, collecting welfare checks and popping out brown babies.  It feeds well into their closed world, small town narcissism.

Which is a shame because the real result is fucking brutal for millions of people who live in those ass backwards states as they consistently rank the worst in everything.  The worst part is that it is a vicious cycle: as times get harder for them, the more and more they pine for a rich white knight to show up and kick them some crumbs.  Read Deer Hunting With Jesus (http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Hunting-Jesus-Dispatches-Americas/dp/030733936X) if you have some time.  Pretty much explains it better than I could.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 16, 2011, 10:04:39 PM
There's also the "moral" argument where a rich guy worked hard to be rich so it would be unfair, wrong and downright criminal for the gubment to "steal' his monies and give it to a presumably lazy, good for nothing minority..

Also too, there's the fear that if we were to tax the richies more, it's socialism and they would all close up their businesses and flee to China or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2011, 11:14:48 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 16, 2011, 05:34:08 PM

Setting aside for a moment the "omg teh moveon is teh LIBRUL BIAS" thing, can someone explain to me how all of the facts in this video aren't, you know, FACTS and the conclusion is pretty self-evident?

Reich plays the typical liberal trick here. He draws a line from 1980 (while the economy was slumping in the late 70's, overall it truly was the golden age for the middle class) and ends it today. 1981-1983 was devastating for the middle class as inner cities began to rot and industrial jobs began a long trek of decline due to incredible productivity gains and increased global competition. As the pool of jobs for their skill/education level decreased, the unions and workers were forced to make more concessions to keep what they had and give away wages/benefits of future employees.

If you draw a line from 1970 to 2006 .. it paints a different picture.

Quote
As of 2006 (the last year for which trend data are available), real median annual household income had not yet returned to its 1999 peak, making this decade one of the longest downturns ever for this widely-accepted measure of the middle-class standard of living. Over a longer time period, the picture is much brighter; since 1970, median household income has risen by 41%.

http://pewsocialtrends.org/2008/04/09/inside-the-middle-class-bad-times-hit-the-good-life/

Now, much of that can be attributed to two-income families becoming the norm, a boom in higher education (which helped drive up salaries) and the ability for the middle class to carry a much higher debt load.

The stagnation of the middle class since the 80's can be attributed to many things. Some examples are that the costs of health care, higher education and housing that has FAR outstripped the rate of inflation. Those are huge factors in eating away the spending power of the middle class.

Also, one of his bulletpoints was that revenues have evaporated since 1980. This is just not true. Revenues as a percentage of GDP have remained remarkably stable considering all the variety of tax changes that have happened since WWII.

(http://www.deptofnumbers.com/blog/2010/08/total-tax-revenue.png)

I think Reich would have made a stronger point to attack corporate taxes, as the revenues from them have seen a long downward trend since the 80's. But in this weird age of corporate cronyism we have from both parties, that doesn't seem to be on the table. Much more politically feasible to attack the upper 1% and blame them for all our woes. 

http://www.deptofnumbers.com/blog/2010/08/tax-revenue-as-a-fraction-of-gdp/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2011, 01:05:06 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2011, 11:14:48 PM
If you draw a line from 1970 to 2006 .. it paints a different picture.

Here is that picture. (http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pages/interactive#/?start=1970&end=2006)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 17, 2011, 01:32:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on June 17, 2011, 01:05:06 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2011, 11:14:48 PM
If you draw a line from 1970 to 2006 .. it paints a different picture.

Here is that picture. (http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/pages/interactive#/?start=1970&end=2006)

 :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2011, 06:32:05 AM
Fuck, why do I even bother.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 17, 2011, 10:47:18 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2011, 06:32:05 AM
Fuck, why do I even bother.





the top 10% wonder why you do, too, but hey
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2011, 02:47:15 AM
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It's already the talk of the life-deprived political world. Down at the Republican Leadership Conference today an "Obama" impersonator was part of the festivities. And when he came up on stage it got so bad with questionably appropriate jokes that the organizers of the conference themselves escorted him from the stage before he could finish his act.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/06/fun_times_at_the_republican_leadership_counference.php#more?ref=fpblg

wat  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2011, 04:08:09 AM
Amazing. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2011, 03:21:02 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/19/john-mccain-illegal-immigration-arizona-wildfires_n_880145.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 20, 2011, 02:35:47 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-06-22colorKOS.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 20, 2011, 03:53:06 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 20, 2011, 02:35:47 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-06-22colorKOS.png)

Field Trip! (http://gawker.com/5812044/tea-party-summer-camp-the-experience-of-a-lifetime)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 20, 2011, 06:55:01 PM
My uncle is running for secretary of state here in Washington. I'm so not psyched.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
10k troops out of Afghanistan this year
33k troops out of Afghanistan by next Summer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2011, 08:46:27 PM
Didn't 30k go in last year? so it's really only a net of 13k less.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 22, 2011, 09:41:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2011, 08:12:38 PM
10k troops out of Afghanistan this year
33k troops out of Afghanistan by next Summer

https://twitter.com/#!/mmhastings/status/83680465923489792 (https://twitter.com/#!/mmhastings/status/83680465923489792)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2011, 10:49:26 PM
*Obama announces plan years prior*

Gaffots: Yeah fuck that man he's gonna break his promise

*Obama sticks to his plan*

Gaffots: Lol dude he's just doing it for re-election, what a fuckup

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 23, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/06/17/gas-farm-labor-crisis-playing-out-as-planned/

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Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal ordered a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 23, 2011, 06:49:42 PM
Eric Cantor, why we still got u???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 23, 2011, 07:17:41 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 23, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/06/17/gas-farm-labor-crisis-playing-out-as-planned/

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Barely a month ago, you might recall, Gov. Nathan Deal welcomed the TV cameras into his office as he proudly signed HB 87 into law. Two weeks later, with farmers howling, a scrambling Deal ordered a hasty investigation into the impact of the law he had just signed, as if all this had come as quite a surprise to him.

:rofl

 :lol


I wonder what Teapartiers think when the hear about shit like this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
You guys act as if these people acknowledge reality when it's in front of them.  For fucks sakes, they still think lowering rich people's taxes magically cures everything from unemployment to small tits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 24, 2011, 06:55:23 AM
"Make Shaniqua the welfare queen go out and pick vegetables!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2011, 09:22:13 PM
Same sex marriage is minutes away from being passed in New York.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on June 24, 2011, 10:59:14 PM
It passed :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 24, 2011, 11:14:17 PM
Oh yeah! Go New York!

Very fitting this happened during Pride Week.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 25, 2011, 07:31:55 AM
i can't believe it passed!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2011, 10:48:11 AM
What's gonna be awesome is seeing Maggie Gallagher for the next week being furious n' stupid on tv.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2011, 05:05:32 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 25, 2011, 07:31:55 AM
i can't believe it passed!

I was amazed as well. Any right wing gnashing of teeth yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2011, 05:55:16 PM
For shizzle. (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/270489/gop-will-pay-grave-price-maggie-gallagher)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2011, 12:08:49 AM
That website is abhorrent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2011, 12:52:47 AM
:bow New York :bow2

:piss NRO, William F. Buckley's deformed hellspawn :piss2


Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2011, 06:32:05 AM
Fuck, why do I even bother.

Yeah yeah, you're the voice of reason taking time out to educate the youngsters only to be met with glib one-liners.

But look.  Income inequality has been rising for roughly the last three decades.  1980 as a start point isn't some sort of straight-line-in-stochastic-dataset tricksiness.  The early 80's recession didn't have a disproportionate effect on the income gap.  You can start from 1983 to exclude it and you get the same picture.

The 70's were not a golden age for the middle class.  Median wages look better from 1970 to 2006 not because it includes the 70's, but the booms of the mid-late 80's and 90's.  And even then, once you factor in hours worked and overall growth rates, it's a pretty shockingly small slice of the pie going towards people in the middle of the distribution.

I'm not the hugest Bob Reich fan, but in this case he's got most of it pretty right.  The top 1% are receiving proportionally more and more of the country's income, it's significant enough that it's impairing progress for other people, and it has been going on for a few decades now.  This ain't a librul fever dream.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2011, 11:15:51 PM
herp derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 27, 2011, 12:00:35 AM
Quote from: The Business on June 26, 2011, 11:13:37 PM
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The US could withdraw funding from the United Nations if its members decide to recognise and independent Palestinian state, a close ally of President Barack Obama has warned. Susan Rice, the American ambassador to the UN, said there was "no greater threat" to US support and funding of the UN than the prospect of Palestinian statehood being endorsed by member states...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/8597559/US-could-withdraw-funding-from-UN-if-Palestine-state-is-recognised.html

I'm not the only one that expected something different from the Obama administration, am I?

Considering he campaigned on basically being this way, um, no?  In this matter, anyhoo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2011, 05:05:09 AM
Bush 2 and Obama are the only presidents to specifically say they support a two-state solution, but that's a bit misleading.  The assumption for decades is that a two-state agreement is the only possible endgame, but US presidents didn't want to act presumptuous when the ideas of unification or Palestinian absorption into other Arab countries was still technically on the table.

But importantly in this case, the US' official position is that it supports a negotiated settlement, ie agreed to by both parties.  Obama's statement that got the AIPAC crowd all in a tizzy was that a Palestinian state would be based on 1967 borders "with negotiated land swaps".  They're not gonna support the UN imposing a new Palestinian state.

Whether you think it's right or wrong (I personally think some serious pressure from the UN is welcome), it's basically consistent with what Obama's said since he started running for president and with US policy since seemingly forever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2011, 05:24:11 AM
Omg. Grover Norquist on Colbert is (shocku) a tremendous scumbag. He quite literally implied that it's okay for grandma to die than to raise taxes on the top 2%. Holy shit.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2011, 10:56:37 AM
Grover once said that a conservative journalist is a conservative first, journalist second. Whereas a liberal journalist is a journalist first and a liberal second.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 28, 2011, 12:36:29 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 28, 2011, 05:24:11 AM
Omg. Grover Norquist on Colbert is (shocku) a tremendous scumbag. He quite literally implied that it's okay for grandma to die than to raise taxes on the top 2%. Holy shit.  :lol

If the only way you can avoid something is by increasing inequality, then yeah, maybe you can't justify it.

We should maintain the status quo to preserve economic equality in this country?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
Why should tax be "fair"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 10:58:58 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 28, 2011, 05:24:11 AM
Omg. Grover Norquist on Colbert is (shocku) a tremendous scumbag. He quite literally implied that it's okay for grandma to die than to raise taxes on the top 2%. Holy shit.  :lol

If the only way you can avoid something is by increasing inequality, then yeah, maybe you can't justify it.

If you had to choose between signing the Civil Rights Act or raising taxes 5%, which would you do?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
Why should tax be "fair"?

Why shouldn't it be?

All government action should be fair; the goal should be to treat all of its citizens equitably.

Treating a guy on the street who doesn't have a job or a home exactly the same as a guy that lives in a huge mansion and makes a billion dollars a year kind of misses the point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 01:18:08 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 01:15:56 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
Why should tax be "fair"?

Why shouldn't it be?

All government action should be fair; the goal should be to treat all of its citizens equitably.

Treating a guy on the street who doesn't have a job or a home exactly the same as a guy that lives in a huge mansion and makes a billion dollars a year kind of misses the point.

Misses the point?  Treating them the same IS the point.

Billionaires don't really need medicare, social security, low-priced/free housing, low-priced/free education, and unemployment.

Now, if we're talking about the Justice system, that's a different story. The homeless guy with no job only wishes the government would treat him exactly like the billionaire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2011, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 01:06:35 PM
Mostly because that depends on what is the text of "the Civil Rights Act" - considering we have had several historically, and / you could be referring to some theoretical future act... 

I've think I've said this before, but the whole "you know there's more than one CRA :smug" comes off as a smarmy attempt to make yourself seem more knowledgeable than the person you're talking to.

In the context of American politics, if people refer to the CRA, they mean the one in 1964, just like talking about "The Vietnam War" means the one that the US was involved with in the 60's and 70's, "The Constitution" means the one of our federal government, etc.  Rand Paul called it "the Civil Rights Act" when he said he couldn't have voted for it, and I'd be surprised if you jumped down his throat for it.

Anyway, you of all people shouldn't be acting like you've got some special familiarity with the history of the civil rights movement and the legislation associated with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2011, 05:45:11 PM
Taxing the rich at the same rate as someone living in poverty = preserving equality

Preventing someone from denying service to a distinguished black fellow on the basis of race alone at their business establishment = tyranny

Did I miss anything? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2011, 06:02:51 PM
Your opinions will never be majority, and your philosophy will never govern this country.  You will die old, bitter and supported by the state you hate so much.  I can think of no better death for you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2011, 06:12:27 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 28, 2011, 05:55:22 PM
but somehow when it comes to taxes you want nice things and you want them "free" (for others to buy them for you).

No, we want the people who are best able to afford higher taxes to pay higher taxes, rather than have our political leaders throw their hands up and go "Whelp, we don't have enough money right now, better slash education and healthcare for old people!".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
The top 1% should solely pay down the deficit since they reaped the most rewards for running up the debt. Using the military to advance corporate interests and let the poor pay it off obviously isn't working.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 28, 2011, 08:56:55 PM
The upper brackets should pay disproportionately more in taxes because they have disproportionately more power.  In the era of trillion dollar deficits, the tax rate should be a minimum of 50% for the upper bracket.  Hell, at least close tax loopholes vs. slashing funding that benefits crumb bums and distinguished black fellows and piling up more debt that will be disproportionally saddled to the same people that funding is getting cut from.  Anyone that believes that in the wake of financial carnage from last decade's laissez faire policy that the answer is less government is insane.  It's like telling a heroin addict that the best way to kick the habit is to double down on the dosage.

Even if the tax rate were ratcheted up to 80-90% for the top 1%, they will still live better than the vast majority.  I know Libertarians oh so desperately wish that they were billionaire captains of industry but it isn't like championing lower taxes is going to make you their friend who will give you some money or a swank job.  They'd sooner send you through the cogs until you're 40, crippled, and unemployed from your bestest buddies at the top.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2011, 09:40:30 PM
Which makes me curious, is JayDubya rich?

I understand why rich people are against higher marginal taxes (cause they're rich!), but why do poor/working class people go to bat to protect their taxes is something that's just baffling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2011, 10:45:59 PM
I could have sworn Mandark explained this a few pages back, or it might have been Prole on facebook. I'm about to pass out from hunger, can't think straight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2011, 10:54:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2011, 10:45:59 PM
I could have sworn Mandark explained this a few pages back, or it might have been Prole on facebook. I'm about to pass out from hunger, can't think straight

Oh sure, the shiftless distinguished black fellow is looking for a HANDOUT of free food from MY HARD EARNED MONEY.  Toughen up, mister!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 28, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
Real men work for their food. Why do minorities always expect a handout? The white man doesn't ask for handouts and they're at the top of their game sans the looming Mexican uprising. And that's why they're better than us. Don't you see, Phoenix?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 12:13:21 AM
wait, when did "fair" get repurposed to mean "people with unequal economic stature pay an equal percentage in taxes"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 29, 2011, 12:18:40 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 12:13:21 AM
wait, when did "fair" get repurposed to mean "people with unequal economic stature pay an equal percentage in taxes"

SUNSHINE!  PUPPIES!  MOONBEAMS!  LIBERTOPIANISM!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2011, 12:33:11 AM
Yeah, as long as we're talking about "equality" and "fairness" I want the government to ensure that I make the same amount of money per year as Bill Gates. Or at least Warren Buffett.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 29, 2011, 12:48:16 AM
I just want the same quantity and quality of pussy that Timberlake gets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 29, 2011, 01:01:21 AM
I'm willing to have an honest discussion with conservatives on most issues, but when someone comes out as a flat-tax advocate, that's when I know for sure that their opinions aren't really worth discussing, and that they really haven't thought about the real-world ramifications of any of their ideas (or just don't care what those ramifications would be).

jaydubya plays pseudo-pragmatist and mooncalf ideologue with a wonderfully bipolar rhythm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2011, 01:56:54 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 01:14:52 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 29, 2011, 01:01:21 AM
I'm willing to have an honest discussion with conservatives on most issues, but when someone comes out as a flat-tax advocate, that's when I know for sure that their opinions aren't really worth discussing, and that they really haven't thought about the real-world ramifications of any of their ideas (or just don't care what those ramifications would be).

jaydubya plays pseudo-pragmatist and mooncalf ideologue with a wonderfully bipolar rhythm


With Ringo Starr on the drums.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 29, 2011, 01:59:33 AM
Quote from: The Business on June 29, 2011, 01:05:51 AM
If we shared all the money in the world equally, we'd all have about $860.

whew

just enough for a visits to the brothel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 29, 2011, 03:33:41 AM
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."  - Anatole France.


Wealthy people by definition are living under a government that shapes the social order to their particular benefit.  Whether or not you think that's a good thing, it's a pretty sweet deal for them and chipping in a few extra shekels is the least they can do to.  If that's too much, there's an opt out: become a dirty poor.  I'm told the kids refer to this as "going Galt".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 10:15:39 AM
not just their particular benefit; their extreme benefit. some libertarians would argue that the rich pay their share by so GRACIOUSLY purchasing expensive things and thus employing filthy proles instead of, i guess, saving it under their beds or in giant scrooge mcduck money bins, as though PURCHASING GOODS and EXPANDING THEIR BUSINESSES are noxious things they do merely out of a sense of elevated duty
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
the one that gets me, though, is the finger-pointing by the clearly privileged (i.e. anyone with enough time to squander on the internets) at that largely fictional bugbear of an undercaste individual who "just wants something for nothing." of course, it's a fundamentally racist thing: the first image that leaps to their minds is that of a ghetto-bound black dude, dressed in an expensive raiders jersey displaying bling and uncashed welfare checks in equal proportion, staring the death stare back at shocked whitey with a look of "this MINE, bitch!" it's a fundamentally racist delusion at its core. in REALITYVILLE, population no-one who has ever read hayek and then extolled it in that twee collegiate voice on a web forum, MOST PEOPLE WANT TO WORK. most people WANT self-respect and dignity. most people WANT a decent, well-paying job, which you don't fucking get when you're poor, because the corporate elite are happy to turn people into unskilled low-wage drudges, with barely enough money to subsist, and at the price of basic human pride and dignity. if you DO get folks on the government dole, it's because you haven't tried to create a society where working actually *is* a noble thing, and because you worship the wealthy so much you refuse to hold them accountable for the existence of a large, unmonied undercaste.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 29, 2011, 10:27:25 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 29, 2011, 10:22:51 AM
Actually all I'm contending is that one pays their share by paying, you know, their share.

When you're taxing things by percentage, if you have more or if you do more of what is being taxed, you kind of end up paying more tax.  Kind of how a percentage works.  Math.  Crazy.
A world without relativity.  Brought to you by JayDubya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 29, 2011, 10:33:27 AM
Let's look at this way....

Propose a flat tax of 90%

The top 1% or hell... even top 10% of earners in the country can still live a lavish lifestyle on a tax of 90%.  The other 90% of the country?  They can't live at all.

Yes, that's completely equal.

Are you understanding relativity yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 10:34:54 AM
hell, the poor can't even live on a 5% flat tax as wages are pushed down further and futher because HAW HAW unskilled labor! maybe they shoulda got an education! BUT WHO WILL PAY FOR THAT HAW HAW! maybe they shoulda been born white and upper-class! life's only as fair as folks make it to be!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 10:36:26 AM
you mean at the expense of MYSELF :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 10:43:41 AM
in my mind?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 29, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
I guess you missed earlier debates in this thread where Drinky admitted how much he makes. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 29, 2011, 11:26:41 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 29, 2011, 10:35:35 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
the one that gets me, though, is the finger-pointing by the clearly privileged (i.e. anyone with enough to squander on the internets) at that largely fictional bugbear of an undercaste individual who "just wants something for nothing." of course, it's a fundamentally racist thing: the first image that leaps to their minds is that of a fhett-bound black dude...

Actually?  You know what I first imagine at this point?  You guys.

You want expensive government programs, and you want others to pay for them.  It's totally cool in your minds to play off the ability to exploit the majority into voting themselves a raise at the expense of others, over and over again.

I have money and i dont mind paying taxes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 29, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
I wouldn't say it's from being unprincipled, I'd say it's from being naive and misinformed.  And there are plenty of polls of Americans regarding the US budget, wealth distribution, history and current politics that back up my theory on them being misinformed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 29, 2011, 12:49:28 PM
i ain't gonna go around pitchin' my specific bona fides on a web forum, but i pay a pretty big whack in taxes -- and i don't mind because i have a great life by ANY standard, monetarily-speaking. if that money goes to creating MORE opportunity through education and a quality of life for the poor such that they can recognize, understand and pursue opportunity, PERFECTO. the "fairness" is thus: i take more from this world in terms of security and quality of life, and that security and quality of life is predicated on other people having enough such that they don't want to take it from me. when those with the least feel it is fair, then it is likewise fair by my measure, because they aren't going to demonstrate their discontent with the perceived unfairness in a way that leaves me with NOTHING. whine about coercion all you want, but people should NEVER sit idly by while 90% of the resources are controlled by less than 10% of the population; if they do, they're sheep. if the idea that other people can dictate the terms of your existence to you distresses you, well, there's still a few unsullied forests you can build a cabin in.

the discussion re: the inefficiency of our current bureaucracy and tax code is another beast entirely. i will say that the wall of bureaucracy works both ways: in as much as it distributes resources very inefficiently, it also blocks the effective stripping of resources and capital from one group to another when one of those groups has an overwhelming political advantage.

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Of course, we won't see any political game theorists here ranting about how this is illogical.  When middle-income folks vote against raising the taxes of upper-income folks, they're just crazy and voting against their own interest, it surely couldn't be out of principle.  When upper-income folks vote for raising the taxes of upper-income folks, that's just being principled, of course.

??? ??? ??? :lol ???

i THOUGHT i was being a little specious when i riffed on your political schizophrenia. ah hurrrrrrrrrr...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 29, 2011, 02:47:21 PM
What this all comes down to is that JD's notions of "equal" and "fair" are actually those words' objectively true definitions, based on immutable natural law, whereas ours are dirty socialist distortions.

Of course, if you ask him to prove any of this he gets very snippy about it.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 29, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
Tax revenue is not the only source of government revenue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 29, 2011, 05:12:53 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on June 29, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
I wouldn't say it's from being unprincipled, I'd say it's from being naive and misinformed.  And there are plenty of polls of Americans regarding the US budget, wealth distribution, history and current politics that back up my theory on them being misinformed.

That is a result of decades of anti-socialist indoctrination.  People these days believe that any tax increase will cause the economy to come to a screeching halt, although historically, that hasn't proven to be the case at all.  I bet most people have no idea that tax rates were in the 91-94 percent range for the highest tax bracket in the 1940s and 1950s.  Conservatards wax so nostalgically about the 50s that I bet they assume the tax rate was 10% or some shit like that.

That and people believe that they are so special that they will be millionaires or at the very least, six figure ballas.  If they can't actually be a six figure balla, the next thing they do is to pretend that they are (through massive debt) while bitching that the government is stifling their growth opportunities.  It's such a shame that baby boomers were unable to get over themselves but alas, they left us in this shit pile that we'll spend decades trying to climb out of, if we can.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 29, 2011, 06:05:36 PM
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f course, we won't see any political game theorists here ranting about how this is illogical.  When middle-income folks vote against raising the taxes of upper-income folks, they're just crazy and voting against their own interest, it surely couldn't be out of principle.  When upper-income folks vote for raising the taxes of upper-income folks, that's just being principled, of course.

No no, I totally get that you're following your principles and everything.  It's just that your principles are FUCKING distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 30, 2011, 02:06:03 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 29, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
Tax revenue is not the only source of government revenue.

That's not fair
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 30, 2011, 02:13:51 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 29, 2011, 10:35:35 AM
You want expensive government programs, and you want others to pay for them.  It's totally cool in your minds to play off the ability to exploit the majority into voting themselves a raise at the expense of others, over and over again.

Is that any worse than trying to exploit the majority into giving themselves a pay cut so that a rich minority can continue buying gold plated toilets?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on June 30, 2011, 09:23:56 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 29, 2011, 10:22:51 AM
Actually all I'm contending is that one pays their share by paying, you know, their share.

When you're taxing things by percentage, if you have more or if you do more of what is being taxed, you kind of end up paying more tax.  Kind of how a percentage works.  Math.  Crazy.

Nothing JayDubya said in this post is untrue, besides fairness is subject to opinion through the prism of one's ideology.

Also, Dr. Paul tutoring Obama on the constitution.  Like a boss.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgEo0z8txd0&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on June 30, 2011, 10:24:52 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/29/durbin_illegal_alien_could_be_our_future_president.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/06/29/durbin_illegal_alien_could_be_our_future_president.html)

Apparently an elected Democrat thinks an illegal immigrant can be president one day. I bet all you ass cigarillo liberals have wet dreams about that scenario. I'm actually sure that a couple of you guys jerk off to that shit.
 "Oh my god we would be soooo progressive."

Also The king of hippies, John Lennon himself, might have actually been a republican towards the end of his life. HA HA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2011, 10:40:41 AM
Jerking off over a Mexican becoming president? You done gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on June 30, 2011, 10:52:12 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 30, 2011, 10:40:41 AM
Jerking off over a Mexican becoming president? You done gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow now.

:wag

I said "Illegal Immigrant."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2011, 11:05:19 AM
My bad, forgot about Cubans and Canadians.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2011, 02:06:10 PM
Quote from: Beardo on June 30, 2011, 10:24:52 AM
Apparently an elected Democrat thinks an illegal immigrant can be president one day. I bet all you ass cigarillo liberals have wet dreams about that scenario. I'm actually sure that a couple of you guys jerk off to that shit.
 "Oh my god we would be soooo progressive."

Wow.  Why the hate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on June 30, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Just out of curiosity, what did everyone do with with their black man president pr0n? I'm guessing that shit isnt really as good as it once was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 30, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
how were you planning to spank it if john mccain won? there's yer answer, bub

that said, i massage my hog to my dream of a fat, lesbian, wheelchair-bound ginger female crypto-communist president who wears a burka; my porn tastes have LONG drifted from illegals in the white house
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2011, 01:28:34 AM
There's your conservative attitude towards ethnicity, folks.  Not racist, fer sure.  But if they think anyone actively wants a member of a minority to succeed, they get real fuckin offended.


edit:  Also, like 90% of Beardo's posts are really sexualized (like that whole TSA kick).  I'd say it's creepy, but it's actually a lot more keeping with the tone of the board than the anger and bitterness.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 01, 2011, 07:09:41 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on June 30, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
how were you planning to spank it if john mccain won? there's yer answer, bub

I was about to correct that if john mccain and SARAH PALIN won...but Beardo is most likely another sad closet case with a Daddy Complex so I realized that didn't much apply.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2011, 07:26:46 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/eliot-spitzer-quizzes-herman-cain-on-specifics-generalities-dont-solve-problems/

Jebus Christ...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2011, 05:03:12 PM
My head will explode when Beardo waltzes in here and calls Spitzer and that interview racist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2011, 09:47:16 PM
Clearly Elliot Spitzer hates him cause he's a strong, conservative negro.


Also too, fucking Mittens:

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Here was Romney in New Hampshire on Monday:

The people of New Hampshire have waited long enough. They want to see good jobs. They want to see rising incomes. They want to see an economy that's growing again, and the president's failed. He did not cause this recession, but he made it worse.

And he said something similar at the New Hampshire debate earlier this month:

He didn't create the recession, but he made it worse and longer.

But at his press conference today in Allentown, PA -- where he was highlighting a company that had closed, after President Obama touted it benefitting from the stimulus -- Romney backtracked on the he-made-it-worse line.

When NBC producer Sue Kroll asked the former Massachusetts governor why he believes that Obama's policies have made the economy worse -- when the economy is now growing (and not shrinking like it was in 2009), when the Dow is climbing (and no longer in a free-fall like it was in '09), and when the unemployment rate is down a full percentage point from where it was in Oct. '09 -- Romney gave this answer:

I didn't say that things are worse.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/30/6984657-romney-backtracks-on-argument-that-obama-made-economy-worse

This could turn out pretty badly for Romney. Tea baggers don't care if you lie, as long as your lies make Obamao look bad. Even a tacit acknowledgement that Obama's socialist, kenyan democracy killing proposals didn't make the economy worse is gonna have them fuming.

Course, he can just go on Fox news and continue repeating the same talking point he's been using for months as if nothing happened.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
It's not just tea baggers that he has to worry about here. Admitting the economy is better off than it was in 09 undercuts his entire economic message; hell it undercuts the entire GOP message. He'll be forced to either flip flop again or claim he was misquoted, but that type of shit won't fly considering he's the front runner.

Chalk it up as another win for Bachman, who will hammer him over the head with this and dare him to defend the correct, factual notion that yes the economy is better than it was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2011, 08:16:08 PM
Fox news anchor says Palin and Bachmann took their history classes at Fleabag U. (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-liz-trotta-palin-and-rep-bachmann-took-same-history-course-at-fleabag-u/)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2011, 08:27:09 PM
she's been an asshole for some time
[youtube=560,345]BjYpkvcmog0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2011, 07:45:02 PM
Okay, I don't usually like laughing at people's deaths, and I won't in this case either, but it really does prove an important point:

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    A 55-year-old biker protesting New York State’s law requiring helmet use died at a hospital Saturday after striking his head in an accident.

    The Associated Press reports that Phillip A. Contos of Parish, N.Y., was riding with others through the town of Onondaga on Saturday afternoon without head protection, to protest the state’s requirement that bikers wear helmets.

    State Troopers told the Syracuse Post-Standard that Contos was driving a 1983 Harley Davidson when his bike fishtailed and he flipped over the handlebars, striking his head on the pavement. He was later pronounced dead at Upstate University Hospital. Police say that had he been wearing a helmet, Contos would probably have survived the accident.

    The ride was organized in part by ABATE (American Bikers Aimed for Education), according to a local ABC affiliate reporting on the accident. A spokesperson for the group said they didn't know if Contos was a member.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/moral-when-you-always-put-your-own-in (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/moral-when-you-always-put-your-own-in)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2011, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 01, 2011, 09:47:16 PM
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Here was Romney in New Hampshire on Monday:

The people of New Hampshire have waited long enough. They want to see good jobs. They want to see rising incomes. They want to see an economy that's growing again, and the president's failed. He did not cause this recession, but he made it worse.

But at his press conference today in Allentown, PA -- where he was highlighting a company that had closed, after President Obama touted it benefitting from the stimulus -- Romney backtracked on the he-made-it-worse line.

When NBC producer Sue Kroll asked the former Massachusetts governor why he believes that Obama's policies have made the economy worse -- when the economy is now growing (and not shrinking like it was in 2009), when the Dow is climbing (and no longer in a free-fall like it was in '09), and when the unemployment rate is down a full percentage point from where it was in Oct. '09 -- Romney gave this answer:

I didn't say that things are worse.



uhhh not that I agree or have any truck for Romney, but doesn't he probably just mean that Obama's policies made the recession worse than it otherwise would have been? worse relative to counterfactual != worse in absolute terms
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2011, 09:44:35 PM
Herman Cain: "I don't need no stinkin book learnin!"

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“You don’t need foreign policy experience to know who your friends are and who your enemies are. And you don’t need foreign policy experience to know that you don’t tell your enemy what your next move is.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/herman-cain-you-dont-need-foreign-policy-experience-to-know-who-your-friends-are/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/herman-cain-you-dont-need-foreign-policy-experience-to-know-who-your-friends-are/)

:usacry

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2011, 09:41:48 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 01, 2011, 09:47:16 PM
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Here was Romney in New Hampshire on Monday:

The people of New Hampshire have waited long enough. They want to see good jobs. They want to see rising incomes. They want to see an economy that's growing again, and the president's failed. He did not cause this recession, but he made it worse.

But at his press conference today in Allentown, PA -- where he was highlighting a company that had closed, after President Obama touted it benefitting from the stimulus -- Romney backtracked on the he-made-it-worse line.

When NBC producer Sue Kroll asked the former Massachusetts governor why he believes that Obama's policies have made the economy worse -- when the economy is now growing (and not shrinking like it was in 2009), when the Dow is climbing (and no longer in a free-fall like it was in '09), and when the unemployment rate is down a full percentage point from where it was in Oct. '09 -- Romney gave this answer:

I didn't say that things are worse.



uhhh not that I agree or have any truck for Romney, but doesn't he probably just mean that Obama's policies made the recession worse than it otherwise would have been? worse relative to counterfactual != worse in absolute terms

I don't think that argument works either way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2011, 09:51:36 PM
I agree it is wrong, but it is not actually self-contradictory.

(maybe this will be my slogan when I run for prez.

recursively '20 : he may be wrong, but at least he's internally consistent)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
on that Cain post...I must admit it's kind of weird seeing liberals use caricature black language to sum up everything Cain says. Not that I'm siding with conservatives against Jon Stewart's mockeries, I just find it odd hearing liberals online and irl doing it. Meh

I'm guessing Beardo will be here in 3...2..
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
i think liberal or conservative, people just jump at the chance to act like douchebags
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
yea. Not saying liberals can't say dumb shit with respect to race; I've hung around enough to know that's not true. but still. Cain is a complete joke who's 15 minutes are coming to an end,
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2011, 10:05:57 PM
on that Cain post...I must admit it's kind of weird seeing liberals use caricature black language to sum up everything Cain says. Not that I'm siding with conservatives against Jon Stewart's mockeries, I just find it odd hearing liberals online and irl doing it. Meh

I'm guessing Beardo will be here in 3...2..

Wait, are you referring to the comment that I posted?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2011, 10:24:13 PM
yea :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2011, 10:39:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2011, 10:24:13 PM
yea :fbm

What? I thought "I don't need no stinkin book learnin!" was using caricature redneck language?

I think you're the one that has the racial issues, PeeDee.  :wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 04, 2011, 11:53:38 PM
white people insinuating black people are uneducated/can't is nothing new

stewart shoulda realized this beforehand
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 01:52:53 AM
Yeah, in terms of broad comedic stereotypes, "book learnin'" is the sorta phrase I expect put in the mouth of a Cletus rather than a Tyrone.

I don't think it's become common at all for liberals to take shots at Cain (or before him, Steele) using black stereotypes*.  Contrasted with how many people were and are unable to say anything against Palin without using sexist language.


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 05, 2011, 06:11:30 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2011, 10:10:15 PM
i think liberal or conservative, people just jump at the chance to act like douchebags

Yep.  Not much more to be said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/giving-away-argument.html

I bet Bill Clinton watches this dude go from disaster to disaster and just laughs. jesus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2011, 01:36:01 PM
I may have entered the Twilight Zone here, but why are Republicans pushing for major cuts to Medicare? :wtf

Edit: It sickens me that the Republican party is pushing for major cuts but won't budge on keeping taxes the same for rich people and it sickens me that the Democrats are giving them exactly that and more. What does that leave us with?  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 05, 2011, 02:40:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2011, 01:36:01 PM
I may have entered the Twilight Zone here, but why are Republicans pushing for major cuts to Medicare? :wtf

Edit: It sickens me that the Republican party is pushing for major cuts but won't budge on keeping taxes the same for rich people and it sickens me that the Democrats are giving them exactly that and more. What does that leave us with?  :-\

This should make it easier to understand (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/01/the-gop-party-of-debt-and-deficits.html).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 03:48:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/giving-away-argument.html

I bet Bill Clinton watches this dude go from disaster to disaster and just laughs. jesus

What's this "the Republicans have already said they'd raise [the debt limit]" stuff?  Specifically, what is "the Republicans" synecdoche for in this case?  Sure, some of the leadership said they want to raise it, but even now there's a ton of doubt about whether they can get even half their caucus to vote for it.

Which means we've a liberal blogger being either dumb or dishonest (and Digby's too smart for the first) just to make the administration look super extra spineless, so that they and their readership can feel strong and principled by comparison, without ever having to accomplish even so much as a win with the local zoning board.

Political activism as sports talk radio sucks.  Don't be a JayDubya.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2011, 04:33:26 PM
I've gone far past being "disillusioned" with the Republican party, it's increasingly becoming outright hatred. Believing in a party and even in a particular politician is never a wise thing to do, because you're almost certainly going to be disappointed, but I figured that the Republican party had at least SOME common sense, and maybe they did, but this isn't the party I joined six year ago. And I have a feeling that's a line I'm going to keep repeating for a long time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: David Brooks
Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

Oddly, Brooks keeps having these epiphanies about Republicans only after they get elected, while stanning shamelessly for them during the campaign build-up.  Funny that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 05, 2011, 05:08:48 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 05, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html)

Typically not a David Brooks fan, but he really nails the current situation in this one.

When Cohen and I agree with Frum and Brooks, you KNOW something's rotten in the Republican Party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2011, 06:03:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: David Brooks
Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

Oddly, Brooks keeps having these epiphanies about Republicans only after they get elected, while stanning shamelessly for them during the campaign build-up.  Funny that.

Or, to put it better: http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2011/07/as-his-batshit-chickens-come-home-to.html

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Here is the key paragraph from David Brooks' latest 800-word embarrassment:

    "But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative."


Here is how it would have read if David Brooks had a shred of honesty:

    But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, Over the past 40 years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.


The first version -- favored by every professional Beltway ball-washer in the media -- permits the David Brookses of the world to continue to play the role of the reasonable, detached witness, merely Observing-With-Alarm the final stages of the complete and completely unforeseeable (No one could have predicted...!) psychotic implosion of his Republican Party.

The second version -- the honest version -- puts Our Mr. Brooks (and the rest of his ilk) at the scene of the crime, squarely behind the wheel and driving the getaway car for the Party of God for virtually his entire adult life.

It just gets better from there.  Then again, I'm noted to be a guy who enjoys his polemics, so there you go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 03:48:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 01:33:12 PM
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/giving-away-argument.html

I bet Bill Clinton watches this dude go from disaster to disaster and just laughs. jesus

What's this "the Republicans have already said they'd raise [the debt limit]" stuff?  Specifically, what is "the Republicans" synecdoche for in this case?  Sure, some of the leadership said they want to raise it, but even now there's a ton of doubt about whether they can get even half their caucus to vote for it.

Which means we've a liberal blogger being either dumb or dishonest (and Digby's too smart for the first) just to make the administration look super extra spineless, so that they and their readership can feel strong and principled by comparison, without ever having to accomplish even so much as a win with the local zoning board.

Political activism as sports talk radio sucks.  Don't be a JayDubya.

I disagree. The republican party will not let the US default. Not only do polls show they'd be blamed for it, but (more importantly) Wall Street and the bond market would start exploding right before the deadline; eventually the big money folks will show up and tell them it's time to grow up. So no, it's not going to happen. This will be more than national parks being closed: everybody will get fucked.

With that in mind, I find it odd the WH is willing to sell the farm and kitchen sink to get congress to do something they're going to do anyway. I have no problem with the general idea of using this to get spending cuts; it also lines up with Obama's pledge to cut significant amounts of the deficit in his first term. But they're talking about more than a trillion in cuts and the GOP is still not happy. Nor are they willing to make the apparent trade Obama would like to make: spending cuts for irrelevant populist loophole stuff; this almost reminds me of republicans arguing health care costs were all about tort reform during that debate. Hell, republicans won't even agree to an employers payroll tax cut. That's why Digby is calling bs here, as are others.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
I dunno Maurice, these are some dumb motherfuckers in Congress right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 05, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 05, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html)

Typically not a David brokks fan, but he really nails the current situation in this one.

Senator JadyDubya responded to Brooks post:

Quote
What happens if you do what he’s saying, is then you can’t lower tax rates. So it does affect marginal tax rates. In order to lower marginal tax rates, you have to take away those loopholes so you can lower those tax rates. If you want to do what we call being revenue neutral … If you take a deal like that, you’re necessarily requiring tax rates to be higher for everybody. You need lower tax rates by going after tax loopholes. If you take away the tax loopholes without lowering tax rates, then you deny Congress the ability to lower everybody’s tax rates and you keep people’s tax rates high.


http://dailykos.com/story/2011/07/05/991552/-GOP-tax-cut-obsession:-David-Brooks-versus-Paul Ryan?detail=hide&via=blog_1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2011, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 05, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
Quote
What happens if you do what he’s saying, is then you can’t lower tax rates. So it does affect marginal tax rates. In order to lower marginal tax rates, you have to take away those loopholes so you can lower those tax rates. If you want to do what we call being revenue neutral … If you take a deal like that, you’re necessarily requiring tax rates to be higher for everybody. You need lower tax rates by going after tax loopholes. If you take away the tax loopholes without lowering tax rates, then you deny Congress the ability to lower everybody’s tax rates and you keep people’s tax rates high.


http://dailykos.com/story/2011/07/05/991552/-GOP-tax-cut-obsession:-David-Brooks-versus-Paul Ryan?detail=hide&via=blog_1

 :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 05, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
With that in mind, I find it odd the WH is willing to sell the farm and kitchen sink to get congress to do something they're going to do anyway. I have no problem with the general idea of using this to get spending cuts; it also lines up with Obama's pledge to cut significant amounts of the deficit in his first term. But they're talking about more than a trillion in cuts and the GOP is still not happy. Nor are they willing to make the apparent trade Obama would like to make: spending cuts for irrelevant populist loophole stuff; this almost reminds me of republicans arguing health care costs were all about tort reform during that debate. Hell, republicans won't even agree to an employers payroll tax cut. That's why Digby is calling bs here, as are others.





Mandark's probably gonna internet kill me for this, but what the heck.


It's hard to imagine Obama being a horrendously shitty negotiator 2 years into his term. Going in with such naivete the first few times is one thing, when one might have been under the impression that you're dealing with actual grown ups. But when the Reps fuck you over for the 2oth time, you really start to wonder.


The possibility that Obama (and his entire administration) is the most incompetent negotiator(s) in history very unlikely. Therefore it leads me to believe a second, possibly more depressing theory. That Obama caves in to Republican demands, not because he has to, but because he wants to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 05, 2011, 07:32:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
With that in mind, I find it odd the WH is willing to sell the farm and kitchen sink to get congress to do something they're going to do anyway. I have no problem with the general idea of using this to get spending cuts; it also lines up with Obama's pledge to cut significant amounts of the deficit in his first term. But they're talking about more than a trillion in cuts and the GOP is still not happy. Nor are they willing to make the apparent trade Obama would like to make: spending cuts for irrelevant populist loophole stuff; this almost reminds me of republicans arguing health care costs were all about tort reform during that debate. Hell, republicans won't even agree to an employers payroll tax cut. That's why Digby is calling bs here, as are others.





Mandark's probably gonna internet kill me for this, but what the heck.


It's hard to imagine Obama being a horrendously shitty negotiator 2 years into his term. Going in with such naivete the first few times is one thing, when one might have been under the impression that you're dealing with actual grown ups. But when the Reps fuck you over for the 2oth time, you really start to wonder.


The possibility that Obama (and his entire administration) is the most incompetent negotiator(s) in history very unlikely. Therefore it leads me to believe a second, possibly more depressing theory. That Obama caves in to Republican demands, not because he has to, but because he wants to.

Obama's major legislative accomplishments are the work of bipartisanship. He's willing to compromise and make bills worse in order to pass bills; I'm not familiar with the legislative records of many presidents but I'd assume Obama isn't the first to do this. He also seems to genuinely like being the grown up in the room who gets two warring sides to agree to something; he's literally done that his entire life. I don't think he passes weak bills because he has some secret conservative agenda. He had to have known passing a small stimulus full of tax cuts would fuck him in the end, but that's all he could get. I'm not saying he's perfect either - Wall Street supported him in masse for a reason, he made deals with Pharma/the health industry to get the healthcare bill passed etc.

Plus here, he already promised to cut the deficit significantly in his first term. So these negotiations are an excuse to get that done. My problem is that the issue is a ticking time bomb and he's more than ok with an 80-20 type split of priorities which he claims is a fair deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2011, 08:28:04 PM
The notion that taxes are fucking high on ANYONE BY ANY HISTORICAL OR EMPIRICAL DATA POINT is fucking absurdly laughable.  Fucking libertarians.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 05, 2011, 08:28:18 PM
The stimulus and the health care bill were fine the way they were passed, from a practical view.

I'm referring to other things, like the debt ceiling, where Obama shouldn't have to give up shit, since the Republicans should have no fucking leverage whatsoever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 05, 2011, 08:32:55 PM
To be honest, to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire or to close loopholes, let alone raising taxes on top of that, is to go up against a strong anti-tax current that has been raging for 40+ years.  It takes a leader with a lot of balls (even with generous public support like there is now) to swim against that current and let's be honest, Obama ain't that guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 08:40:13 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 05, 2011, 08:32:55 PM
To be honest, to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire or to close loopholes, let alone raising taxes on top of that, is to go up against a strong anti-tax current that has been raging for 40+ years.  It takes a leader with a lot of balls (even with generous public support like there is now) to swim against that current and let's be honest, Obama ain't that guy.

Which is why I laugh at the idea that he's going to magically grow balls and let them expire in 2013, assuming he even gets re-elected. Republicans won't extend the middle class tax cuts without the high income taxes included, and we'll have a repeat of what happened last year. The deficit will basically take care of itself if we let those tax cuts expire and the healthcare bill is enacted as planned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 05, 2011, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 05, 2011, 08:32:55 PM
To be honest, to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire or to close loopholes, let alone raising taxes on top of that, is to go up against a strong anti-tax current that has been raging for 40+ years.  It takes a leader with a lot of balls (even with generous public support like there is now) to swim against that current and let's be honest, Obama ain't that guy.

Taxing the richies actually polls really well (Bruce Bartlett compiled a list of polls that showed just that). If a politician doesn't want to raise taxes on the rich, it's not out of fear of public backlash.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 05, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
i guess getting head is worse than breaking your oath to uphold the constitution and turning from president into emperor overnight, why the fuck is there not more talk about getting this guy impeached?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 11:18:02 PM
Shorter PD:  Obama has all the leverage, because he can count on Congressional Republicans rationally dealing with the consequences of policy rather than kowtowing to their base.

Yeah ok.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 05, 2011, 11:21:58 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 05, 2011, 11:12:16 PM
WTF are you talking about?

he said that he doesn't need congressional approval to drop bombs in Libya :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 11:18:02 PM
Shorter PD:  Obama has all the leverage, because he can count on Congressional Republicans rationally dealing with the consequences of policy rather than kowtowing to their base.

Yeah ok.

Their base is Wall Street and the rest of the financial/corporate sector. The Bachmans of the house would be clear to vote against it, but Boehner would get enough of his caucus in line to avert disaster.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
Obama's major legislative accomplishments are the work of bipartisanship.

wat

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-396

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-165

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-64

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-70

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2010-208

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-413

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2010-281

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-638
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 11:52:08 PM
OBAMA:  "This bill enjoys the support both of my own party, and of many Republicans, such as Senator Scott Brown, and... [mumbles something, coughs]"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 05, 2011, 11:52:39 PM
here's a direct quote from Obama during the 2008 campaign regarding a question about war powers:

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

there seems to be a theme with him involving saying one thing and then doing another.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 11:44:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2011, 08:13:36 PM
Obama's major legislative accomplishments are the work of bipartisanship.

wat

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-396

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-165

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-64

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-70

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2010-208

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-413

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2010-281

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2010-638

Bipartisanship in the sense that the bills were formed across party lines with a series of concessions. The health care bill, the recovery, Dodd-Frank, etc all were watered down at the behest of republican lawmakers - most of whom decided to vote against the bill in the end. I wasn't talking about the actual votes.

c'mon mardark, I ain't that dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 12:00:11 AM
PD:  Exactly what provisions of the ACA were dropped in order to win Republicans that would have otherwise been supported by all 60 (later 59) Democratic Senators?



edit:  The point being that liberals are quickly accepting the meme of Obama as someone ideologically committed to bipartisan compromise, when in practice he's aimed to give away just enough to get the bare minimum of votes, and those concessions have generally been made to win over reluctant Democratic votes like Lieberman, Nelson, etc.

Ironically he gets compared to Bush, who in retrospect never deviated from a path of ruthless partisanship, and certainly never made a Ted Kennedy sponsored education bill a centerpiece of his domestic agenda.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 12:25:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 12:00:11 AM
PD:  Exactly what provisions of the ACA were dropped in order to win Republicans that would have otherwise been supported by all 60 (later 59) Democratic Senators?

The biggest would be subsidy differences between the house and senate bills, and the Medicaid expansion changes. Also stronger state insurance regulations, which were dropped for ridiculous interstate compacts. I'm pretty sure the original house and senate bills didn't allow state opt outs until dems conceded on that, but don't quote me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 12:36:20 AM
Are those things that were specifically to win GOP votes, with the "stronger" options able to carry all 60 Senate Democrats, though?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
The house bill was the most liberal despite having to deal with the Blue Dog caucus. Whereas Baucus wasted months trying to get Snowe and Grassley's votes in the senate, which lead to a host of concessions/changes like the subsidies and Medicaid expansion.

The senate ran into problems with the parts of the bill typically used to illustrate the "watered down" claim, such as the public option and Medicare buy-in. But those things had no chance of getting 60 (or 59) democrats; I remember Lieberman and Rockerfeller screwing the Medicare plans up especially, once it seemed like it would be the compromise for rejecting the public option.


With respect to the stimulus, the WH lowered the price tag to get Snowe's vote, and added the tax cuts to attract other republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2011, 12:46:14 AM
The war powers act thing is a bunch of bullshit.  Congress is too chickenshit to do anything; witness their votes to disapprove of the action in Libya but then turn around and won't vote to defund it.  If I was Obama and had to deal with those fucktards, I'd do whatever the fuck I wanted to, and when anyone asked I'd just point at the nearest Congressman/Senator and break into laughter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2011, 12:49:56 AM
Vis-a-vis the whole Obama shitty negotiator meme, I will say that I think he gives away too much at the beginning of a negotiation, but overall he's done pretty well getting the best possible bill through what has rapidly become the worst congress in history.

If I have major complaints with his administration, it's in the area of civil liberties in general and more specifically in not aggressively going after more liberal goals as soon as he was elected.  I kind of feel like he has broadsided by the monolithic approach to opposition that the GOP has taken and he shouldn't have been.  But whatever, he's still probably getting re-elected so long as we don't start another great depression in a couple weeks here... which is a very real possibility.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 01:10:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 12:36:20 AM
Are those things that were specifically to win GOP votes, with the "stronger" options able to carry all 60 Senate Democrats, though?

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 01:50:00 AM
Yes. Subsidies were lowered in an attempt to gain republican votes, for instance. And they had the votes in the senate to pass higher subsidies

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 02:34:30 AM
I'm really gonna need to see a source on that, since IIRC the final subsidy levels were negotiated between House and Senate representatives in conference, at which point it was clear that reconciliation would be used and that no GOP votes were possible.  At that point it was completely intra-party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 06, 2011, 03:05:35 AM
Mandark, I agree with you on the ACA for the most part, but do you really think Obama needed to cave on the debt ceiling? Sure, I wouldn't put it past Republicans to destroy the economy for political points, but the problem with fucking up the economy is that it would fuck over their base (Wall Street/other richies) as well, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want that to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2011, 03:10:43 AM
Republicans have a problem these days... they have an economic base (rich people) that fund them and a voter base (insane people) that they have to convince to elect them.  Unfortunately, sometimes the kabuki theater just can't be reconciled for the lunatics and I think this is one of those times.  There just aren't enough rich people to give them THAT MUCH MONEY to make up for the sin of turning into socialists and working with the demon black man, or something.  The insane-o's would rather the country and even world go down the shitter- hell, it would REINFORCE for them many of their crazy ass beliefs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 03:29:40 AM
Interestingly in looking further into the Snowe/Baucus stuff, she actually advocated for higher subsidies - not lower; my bad. And yet the subsidies in the final package were lower than her suggested rate. I don't see any information on Blue Dogs holding out on subsidies in conference, outside of the abortion complaints/bullshit.

edit: the final bill featured weaker subsidies than Snowe wanted, a sign of the WH attempting to appeal to blue dogs and conservatives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 03:44:52 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 06, 2011, 03:05:35 AM
Mandark, I agree with you on the ACA for the most part, but do you really think Obama needed to cave on the debt ceiling? Sure, I wouldn't put it past Republicans to destroy the economy for political points, but the problem with fucking up the economy is that it would fuck over their base (Wall Street/other richies) as well, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want that to happen.

Boehner is roughly in the same position that Newt was back in 95, with a lot of zealous freshmen, high expectations, and a crazy activist base who hate the president.  He wants to avoid disasters while keeping his leadership spot, which puts him in a bind.  There are enough cranks in his caucus that he can't rely on most of them seeing reason, calls from the Chamber of Commerce be damned.

I don't know how the forces balance out, but the idea that of course the House GOP will do the right thing and Obama can afford to take a completely hard line and come out like roses is just magical thinking.

Who wants to argue that Republican officials can be counted on not to inadvertently fuck over the economy by sticking to their dogma?  Or that Obama won't take a huge chunk of the blame no matter what the shape of negotiations?

For that matter, who wants to pull a Cheebs and act like they actually know what the fuck is going on in private negotiations?  Remember the last few cries of "CAVING!" we heard?  During the tax extension compromise that not just netted a secondary stimulus, but ratification of START and a repeal of DADT as well?  Or the emergency budget resolution, where all of the spending cuts turned out to be smoke and mirrors?

Seriously dude.  In a few months you'll be saying "Okay, fine.  Maybe the ACA and FinReg and the tax extensions and budget resolution and debt ceiling negotiations were okay deals considering the circumstances.  But this cave-in that hasn't even happened yet proves that Obama's a huge pussy or seekrit Republican and a real liberal could turn this country into Sweden through sheer willpower.  If I were king of the jungle..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 03:57:11 AM
Boehner is not nearly as temperamental or stupid as Newt. Even Newt backed down, and Boehner will too. The country will not default, and wouldn't even if Obama offered nothing; until someone explains how republicans square a default with Wall Street, I'll continue maintaining that point. At the worse we'd get a temporary extension. Boehner may have some crazy party members, but he has enough sane ones to join with democrats and raise the ceiling.

Which is why I'm not happy with what is alleged to be a trillion in cuts in exchange for populist tax loophole cuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 04:32:33 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 03:57:11 AM
Even Newt backed down

After the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN OPERATIONS, if you recall.

But either way, acting like you definitively know what's in the mind of Boehner, much less a couple hundred GOP reps you couldn't name without a scorecard, is the very definition of being a Cheebs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 04:45:36 AM
A government shut down is not even comparable to a deficit default, come on. The national parks shut down, some (not all) social security checks stopped going out. The economy didn't crash, global markets didn't respond severely, nor did we enter a double dip recession. We came within hours of a shutdown last time, and Obama/Boehner managed to throw a deal together without much fanfare. If we get to late July and there's no deal here, the markets will react; that's a definitive statement.

And another definitive statement: the US will not default. I don't definitively know what Boehner is thinking nor do I pretend to. But given his history I tend to believe he's not going to follow in the footsteps of Newt, who's downfall led to him becoming speaker. We also know he's not a clown like Newt is/was, would you agree?

Clearly we won't be coming to an agreement on this. And for the record, can we change the description of "pulling a Cheebs" to "bagging a hot gf and nearly making six figures"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 05:20:26 AM
Look, I think Boehner will back down eventually.  I think that.  But I realize that there are really significant pressures on the other side (which is why you have stuff like Cantor walking away from talks), and I can't be sure how they'll play out.  Besides which, if "my opponent doesn't want a default, so I can take a hard line and wait for him to cave" is a logical play for Obama, then it's a logical one for Boehner.  Game theory's a bitch.



But getting back to the main point, your whole spiel about Obama taking a naturally bipartisan approach is still just wrong.  The administration's strategy for the big priorities has been to give up just enough to get the minimum number of votes needed to pass.  There were negotiations with Republicans on the stimulus and health bills, but the negotiations themselves were concessions to moderate Democrats whose votes were needed for the bill.  The final ACA was determined by what was necessary to get moderate Dems on board, with Republicans completely shut out of negotiations.

Let's please please please stay away from dumb received wisdom and narratives based on vague personal impressions of celebrities.  We've got sports journalism and TMZ for that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on July 06, 2011, 06:09:28 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 05, 2011, 04:39:02 PM
Quote from: David Brooks
Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

Oddly, Brooks keeps having these epiphanies about Republicans only after they get elected, while stanning shamelessly for them during the campaign build-up.  Funny that.

Dude is such a snake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 05:20:26 AM
Look, I think Boehner will back down eventually.  I think that.  But I realize that there are really significant pressures on the other side (which is why you have stuff like Cantor walking away from talks), and I can't be sure how they'll play out.  Besides which, if "my opponent doesn't want a default, so I can take a hard line and wait for him to cave" is a logical play for Obama, then it's a logical one for Boehner.  Game theory's a bitch.



But getting back to the main point, your whole spiel about Obama taking a naturally bipartisan approach is still just wrong.  The administration's strategy for the big priorities has been to give up just enough to get the minimum number of votes needed to pass.  There were negotiations with Republicans on the stimulus and health bills, but the negotiations themselves were concessions to moderate Democrats whose votes were needed for the bill.  The final ACA was determined by what was necessary to get moderate Dems on board, with Republicans completely shut out of negotiations.

Let's please please please stay away from dumb received wisdom and narratives based on vague personal impressions of celebrities.  We've got sports journalism and TMZ for that.

Cantor walked away from the table once him and Biden reached the point where they needed the president and speaker to step in; that was well reported. Biden wanted revenue increases and Cantor couldn't sign off on them.

With respect to game theory here though, why walk from the table when you're about to get 80% of what you want in a "compromise" agreement?
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/91391/deficit-debt-deal-tax-spend-cut-obama-boehner-balance

How is the bipartisan point wrong? The WH watered down the stimulus specifically for republican votes; sure he needed blue dogs, but the demand for the bill to be "bipartisan" even if that meant one republican on board, was quite heavy. The same thing happened with health care with Joseph Cao, and before him the attempts to get Snowe, Susan Collins, and Chuck Grassley's votes. The financial reform bill was watered down to gain Scott Brown and others votes. Obama's presidency has quite a history of putting deal making before policy.

Finally on Boehner, I'm confused why you disagree with this. Boehner is considerably more cautious and moderate than Newt. Is it narrative building to suggest Boehner saw his former boss fall off a cliff and isn't interested in making the same mistake? If so I'm guilty.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 06, 2011, 12:10:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5whgf.jpg)
 :rofl



"New era of American Politics"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 06, 2011, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 05, 2011, 11:59:27 PM
Yes, but saying one thing and doing another is hardly an impeachable offense.

but going to war without congressional approval IS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 06, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Quote from: drew on July 06, 2011, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 05, 2011, 11:59:27 PM
Yes, but saying one thing and doing another is hardly an impeachable offense.

but going to war without congressional approval IS

Who is the United States at war with?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2011, 01:07:58 PM
Yes, I must have missed this declaration of war.  If bombing another country without congressional approval is an impeachable offense, then every President back to Reagan should have been removed from office.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 06, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 06, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Who is the United States at war with?

Libya, unless those are peace bombs they drop every night :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 06, 2011, 01:15:56 PM
I think drew is trolling you guys.  Maybe not.  But I hope so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
Congress should also grow some testicles... if they're gonna have a vote to say they don't support something (bombing Libya) then they should also, you know vote against funding it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 02:26:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 12:02:34 PM
How is the bipartisan point wrong?

I know this is getting into neverending internet argument territory, but the internet's where I get to tell people when they're wrong, rather than mumble something noncommittal and change the subject.

You said "Obama's major legislative accomplishments are the work of bipartisanship."

I'm not doing this to be a dick, but that's just wrong.  We've got a record that can be checked.  But it's something that a ton of people repeat because, well, we just know it.

Bipartisan legislation is Sarbanes-Oxley or No Child Left Behind or the tax cut compromise.  It's not the ACA or Dodd-Frank.  If an attempt to woo Olympia Snowe in the first case or Scott Brown's inclusion in the second (which only happened because Feingold was a no vote) makes something bipartisan, then the word has so little meaning that it's basically useless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 02:49:15 PM
I'll maintain the bills were watered down for republican support which ultimately led to worse bills. If the word "bipartisan" doesn't apply, fine: his legislative record is the product of bad deal making with people who usually don't vote for the end result.

Now lets be friends and read a Brooks article together
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2011, 02:51:50 PM
Yeah, but that's fuckin' wrong too.  The bills were watered down to win Democratic votes, not Republican ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 06, 2011, 02:54:17 PM
Yeah, the whole song and dance that was done on those bills was to get the Ben Nelsons and Joe Liebermans of the world to vote for them, not the mythical "moderate Republican" which of course no longer exists.  You're wrong, Maurice.

...and Obama is still a shitty negotiator.  MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2011, 02:57:14 PM
That is simply not the entire truth. Each bill mentioned was watered down to appease republicans during committee hearings. Yes blue dogs made demands, but those tax cuts and the small price tag of the stimulus were included for republican votes. Nor did democrats ask for interstate insurance exchanges in the healthcare bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 06, 2011, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: drew on July 06, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 06, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Who is the United States at war with?

Libya, unless those are peace bombs they drop every night :spin

You're silly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 06, 2011, 09:18:26 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 06, 2011, 01:48:06 PM
Congress should also grow some testicles... if they're gonna have a vote to say they don't support something (bombing Libya) then they should also, you know vote against funding it.

Yes but the Twatterverse (the group of fucks that made the noise about Libya anyway) would be in a tizzy if the Libya bombing were defunded.  Gaddafi is gonna fall any day now! #FreeLybia
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2011, 02:53:05 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/us/politics/07fiscal.html?_r=1

Obama wants $4T in cuts, including to Medicare and SS. For revenue increases that sound like nonstarters for republicans, and a laughable agreement on already current law: letting the Bush tax cuts expire after 2012. That deal happened last year. It's ridiculous to think republicans would simply let them expire, assuming Obama is reelected and republicans retain the house; they'll hold the cuts hostage for the higher income cuts, just like last time, while fearmongering about the largest tax increase in US history. And Obama will kick the can down the road again.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 07, 2011, 05:55:16 AM
I wouldn't doubt that Obama will make the Bush tax cuts permanent after 2012.  The same arguments that will pop up in 2012 will be the same ones we heard in 2010.  The time to let them expire was when they were originally supposed to as intended.  I never quite understood the props Obama got on the tax deal last year, which was essentially losing but declaring victory anyway.  The tax deal was kicking the can down the road at a time of record deficits, leaving behind tens of billions of needed tax revenue.  As Congress will undoubtedly get redder, it seems foolish to think that Obama will somehow step things up and let the tax cuts expire.  No, he is more apt to make them permanent instead.  Maybe he'll get a $50 billion package of additional spending and declare victory like last time.  That is more likely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 07, 2011, 10:02:21 AM
God I wish they'd expire.  All of them.  I don't want to hear these arguments about them and all this hyperbole from Republicans on them anymore.  It's like they have a 5 year memory and don't recall a time before they were enacted.  Plus it'd do wonders for the deficit so I don't have to hear that shit anymore either from "budget hawks" who have no problem spending money to build shit that blows up.  I liked Republicans more when they only cried about gay sex
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 07, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2011, 02:53:05 AM
already current law: letting the Bush tax cuts expire after 2012.

The Bush cuts expiring is "already current law" like the AMT, the current debt ceiling, and the Medicare doctor reimbursement formula are "already current law".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2011, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 07, 2011, 03:01:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2011, 02:53:05 AM
already current law: letting the Bush tax cuts expire after 2012.

The Bush cuts expiring is "already current law" like the AMT, the current debt ceiling, and the Medicare doctor reimbursement formula are "already current law".

I'm pretty sure you got my point, but here it is: the Bush tax cuts already expire at the end of 2012. Naming that as a concession/part of negotiations makes absolutely no sense, as it's already on the books.

And in 2013 we'll go through the same dog and pony show.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
It sure would be nice to have someone in charge that cared bout job growth... I mean in between golf games and talk show appearances.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 08, 2011, 03:51:29 PM
And trips to Camp David. Oh wait, Camp David is for whites only.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2011, 03:54:19 PM
And sleeping. That's 8 extra hours right there that he could be working, but I guess he's just too lazy.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
ITT I learn that liberals think appearing on Oprah is the same as sleeping.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 08, 2011, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2011, 03:54:19 PM
And sleeping. That's 8 extra hours right there that he could be working, but I guess he's just too lazy.  ::)

A black guy being lazy. Never seen that before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
dat jobs report
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/economic-outlook-worsens-as-us-adds-only-18000-jobs-in-june/2011/07/08/gIQAL8lU3H_story.html

What better way to combat anemic economic growth than deficit reduction!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 08, 2011, 07:35:53 PM
Let's lay off another 100,000 teachers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 09, 2011, 01:29:53 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
It sure would be nice to have someone in charge that cared bout job growth... I mean in between golf games and talk show appearances.

Did Beardo just call out for more Keynesian policies  :o

There's hope for your little brain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 09, 2011, 01:43:53 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
It sure would be nice to have someone in charge that cared bout job growth... I mean in between golf games and talk show appearances.

Here, Let me Google that for you! (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vacation+days+presidents)

Bet he's face deep in watermelon the whole time too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 09, 2011, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
It sure would be nice to have someone in charge that cared bout job growth... I mean in between golf games and talk show appearances.

Yes, all he needs to do is flip the cover on the "Job Growth" switch and finally hit it! I mean, why hasn't he hit the "Job Growth" button yet?! Mannn, economies be so easy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2011, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 09, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
http://www.good.is/post/half-of-americans-getting-government-aid-swear-they-ve-never-used-government-programs/ (http://www.good.is/post/half-of-americans-getting-government-aid-swear-they-ve-never-used-government-programs/)

Totally in favor of removing the mortgage interest deduction by the way.

"Well, yes, I have taken government assistance, but I really needed it! All those other people are just being lazy!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 04:09:59 PM
Quote from: BlueTsunami on July 09, 2011, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
It sure would be nice to have someone in charge that cared bout job growth... I mean in between golf games and talk show appearances.

Yes, all he needs to do is flip the cover on the "Job Growth" switch and finally hit it! I mean, why hasn't he hit the "Job Growth" button yet?! Mannn, economies be so easy.

we just need to cut taxes and spending!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 09, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 09, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
http://www.good.is/post/half-of-americans-getting-government-aid-swear-they-ve-never-used-government-programs/ (http://www.good.is/post/half-of-americans-getting-government-aid-swear-they-ve-never-used-government-programs/)

Totally in favor of removing the mortgage interest deduction by the way.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U[/youtube]


Quote from: BlueTsunami on July 09, 2011, 04:04:26 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 08, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
It sure would be nice to have someone in charge that cared bout job growth... I mean in between golf games and talk show appearances.

Yes, all he needs to do is flip the cover on the "Job Growth" switch and finally hit it! I mean, why hasn't he hit the "Job Growth" button yet?! Mannn, economies be so easy.

If he simply hit the 'cut spending' switch, the jobs growth would soon follow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2011, 05:01:13 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 09, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U[/youtube]


:-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 09, 2011, 05:04:13 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2011, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 09, 2011, 03:58:20 PM
http://www.good.is/post/half-of-americans-getting-government-aid-swear-they-ve-never-used-government-programs/ (http://www.good.is/post/half-of-americans-getting-government-aid-swear-they-ve-never-used-government-programs/)

Totally in favor of removing the mortgage interest deduction by the way.

"Well, yes, I have taken government assistance, but I really needed it! All those other people are just being lazy!"

It's the "keep the government out of my medicare" losers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 09, 2011, 05:11:22 PM
Here's the Senate proposal for raising the debt ceiling:

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Senate Democrats have drafted a sweeping debt-reduction plan that would slice $4 trillion from projected borrowing over the next decade without touching the expensive health and retirement programs targeted by President Obama.

Instead, Senate Democrats are proposing to stabilize borrowing through sharp cuts at the Pentagon and other government agencies, as well as $2 trillion in new taxes, primarily on families earning more than $1 million year, according to a copy of the plan obtained by The Washington Post.

........

Under the blueprint, the top income tax rate would rise to 39.6 percent for individuals earning more than $500,000 a year and families earning more than $1 million. That group, which constitutes the nation’s richest 1 percent of households, would also pay a 20 percent rate on capital gains and dividends, rather than the 15 percent rate now in effect.

In addition to raising rates for the very wealthiest families, the blueprint proposes to obtain fresh revenue by targeting offshore tax havens and corporate shelters. It would also scale back the array of tax breaks and deductions known as tax expenditures, perhaps by focusing on the wealthiest households, which claim an average of $205,000 in tax breaks each year on average income of $1.1 million.

The blueprint would take nearly $900 billion from the Pentagon over the next decade — the same amount recommended by Obama’s fiscal commission. It would slice more than $350 billion from domestic programs. And it would produce interest savings of nearly $600 billion attributable to reduced borrowing.

Only about $80 billion would be cut from Medicare, Medicaid and other federal health programs, and nothing from Social Security. But even without touching those programs, the plan would stabilize borrowing by 2014 and begin pushing the national debt down as a share of the economy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/senate-democrats-draft-debt-reduction-plan/2011/07/08/gIQAFQbS4H_print.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2011, 05:16:24 PM
New hikes on the wealthy, Pentagon cuts, and rise in capital gains? Oh my!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 09, 2011, 05:19:53 PM
"We don't need to cut the defense budget!  It's cash-strapped enough as it is!"

Sounds like a good enough plan.  I hope that they stick with this plan throughout the timeframes given.  Will there be anything in place to guarantee that these cuts will be made over a decade or is it just kind of a "hey, trust us guy" kind of thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 09, 2011, 05:21:10 PM
Also love Bill Maher's new rules yesterday

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvUkYueexEc[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 05:34:14 PM
That dem proposal looks good but they wouldn't pass that if they had a super majority/controlled the house. Still, I like the idea of putting everything on the table before taking things off/compromising.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 09, 2011, 05:49:11 PM
I have low expectations in general.  The Republicans will screech at any kind of tax increase (or defense budget slashing) and Obama is too spineless to back up his own political party.  In the end, we'll get some hack job of a compromise that nobody will be remotely satisfied with, except the Obama cult set shooting a load in their pants, convinced that Obama and only Obama was capable enough to pull off this kind of deal, while everyone else continues to take it up the ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2011, 06:13:45 PM
The obvious answer to our problems is that the rich in this country aren't rich enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 06:59:43 PM
Wouldn't the Lannisters and Baratheons be tax and spend liberals, and Ned Stark=Ronald Reagan? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 09, 2011, 07:22:57 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2011, 06:13:45 PM
The obvious answer to our problems is that the rich in this country aren't rich enough.

Actually, it does seem like successful American economies (which have pretty much been bubble economies since the 1980s) require a cult of personality of some of the super rich.  People who go all in on the worship of people like Ken Lay, Warren Buffett, or Lloyd Blankfein: where people talk endlessly about how smart these people are and how they manage to seemingly bend the laws of physics in their successes.  Then we get the popped bubble all over our faces to have it happen all over again.

At this time we really don't worship anyone but I'm sure there are all kinds of bubble schemes attempting to hatch so we can re-enter the cycle.  The strategery of Democrats for 2012 almost hinges on it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Boehner rejects Obama's 4 trillion spending cut deal

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Obama had proposed to Republicans a "grand bargain" that accomplished a host of individual things that are unpopular on their own, but that just might pass as a huge package jammed through Congress with default looming. Obama offered to put Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid cuts on the table in exchange for a tax hike of roughly $100 billion per year over 10 years. Meanwhile, government spending would be cut by roughly three times that amount. It's no small irony that the party's dogmatic opposition to tax increases is costing the GOP its best opportunity to roll back social programs it has long targeted.

Republicans are now banking on a smaller deficit reduction deal that would still make major cuts, somewhere in the range of $2 trillion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/09/john-boehner-debt-ceiling_n_893952.html

who didn't see this coming
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 09, 2011, 09:53:09 PM
This shit is so fucking distinguished mentally-challenged I don't even wanna look at it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 09, 2011, 09:59:53 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 10, 2011, 11:00:12 AM
China emerges as a world power

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Beijing (CNN) -- The top U.S. military officer declared Sunday that China "has arrived as a world power," and that previous U.S. descriptions of China as a "rising power" are now a thing of the past.

...

"China today is a different country than it was 10 years ago, and it certainly will continue to change over the next 10 years," Mullen told the audience at Renmin University. "It is no longer a rising power. It has, in fact, arrived as a world power."

In January, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described China as a "rising power."

"The United States is changing as well," Mullen added in his remarks, "as are the context and global order in which both our countries operate. I believe that our dialogue needs to keep pace with these changes. It needs to move from working out the particular issues and conditions of our bilateral relationship to working together to meet broader -- and common -- goals we share."

The chairman touched on some specific concerns, including the growing territorial disputes over the South China Sea and its potentially huge reserves of oil and natural gas.

"It is certainly the United States' expectation that these be worked out by countries ... in a responsible way, so that a specific incident does not rise to a level of miscalculation which could become very dangerous and get out of control," Mullen said.



http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/07/10/china.mullen/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 11, 2011, 12:58:01 PM
[youtube=560,345]OCcYSRACwx0[/youtube]

Liberals lining up to ban books in chicago. (You know, for everyones good.)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:lol What a bunch of butt hurt fegs.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2011, 01:10:30 PM
Quote
I think the President's goal is exactly what he says it is: to do Big Things. I just don't think it matters much what the substance of those Big Things are.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/austerity-aka-eat-your-peas.html

I'm watching the press conference now, and while it's good to hear a more aggressive tone from Obama using the bully pulpit, some of the things he's saying just don't add up. "If you really care about Medicare you'd want to make changes." Yea ok, so cut spending? There are ways to change Medicare and SS for the better financially without cutting benefits. The problem is neither side supports them (government negotiating perscription drug costs anyone?). Obama sounds like a republican here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 11, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
He also said he's willing to take a lot of heat from Democrats to get a deal made.  Jeez.  He undermines his own party at every fucking turn and caters to the right on every issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2011, 01:25:11 PM
where's my :smh smiley >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
He also acts like the deficit is impacting jobs, another republican talking point. Businesses have billions of dollars stored away. They're done fine, profits wise. They aren't hiring because few people are buying shit. People aren't buying shit because they aren't making as much money as they once did, and because businesses have slashed some benefits (another reason they have huge profits). It has nothing to do with "confidence" or deficit.

If this farce is a means to an end, ie dealing with the deficit in a big fashion so we can finally start focusing on jobs, perhaps it makes sense. But the GOP isn't going to pivot to jobs: they don't care about jobs. They won't support an employer payroll tax cut because it might work. They want to gut infrastructure spending in the 2012 budget. They won't sign trade agreements. Seems pretty clear they won't do anything that benefits the economy because it will benefit Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2011, 01:40:36 PM
Is Obama really a shoe in for the 2012 nom? Because I think it'd be to the Democratic party's benefit to propel someone else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2011, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2011, 01:40:36 PM
Is Obama really a shoe in for the 2012 nom? Because I think it'd be to the Democratic party's benefit to propel someone else.

Dude that's dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2011, 02:29:43 PM
Maybe Himu's right, considering Obama seems to be running for the GOP's nomination :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 11, 2011, 03:14:39 PM
would it be theoretically/formally possible for both parties to nominate the same man/woman?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2011, 03:46:21 PM
Nominations aren't legally regulated, so as long as they don't have a party bylaw against it, sure.  The real question is whether that person could show up on the ballot with both parties listed, which is probably a matter of state law.  I know that NY lets candidates carry the official label of multiple parties on the ballot, and there are probably other states as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 11, 2011, 04:01:17 PM
Interesting, but yeah I meant in terms of current party bylaws.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 11, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on July 11, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
He also said he's willing to take a lot of heat from Democrats to get a deal made.  Jeez.  He undermines his own party at every fucking turn and caters to the right on every issue.

I don't think there has been a President so willing to shit on his base as often as Obama.  Maybe Lyndon Johnson and that is a stretch.

Nevertheless, Obama is in campaign mode and probably assumes that 2012 will provide another Republican victory with them taking over the Senate.  So he is doing whatever he can to distance himself from the Democrats so he can make himself more electable.  Which is kind of a gamble because the people he's coddling up to want to throw his ass out.  Pissing on his base really can't help his chances, who may end up sitting out the election.  He sure as shit isn't going to get the kind of support he received in 2008 and I believe deep down that he knows that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2011, 09:06:08 PM
Quote
In his press conference on Monday morning, President Barack Obama repeatedly insisted that he was willing to tackle some sacred cows as part of a larger package to raise the debt ceiling. Just how sacred, however, may surprise political observers.

According to five separate sources with knowledge of negotiations -- including both Republicans and Democrats -- the president offered an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare, from 65 to 67, in exchange for Republican movement on increasing tax revenues.

The proposal, as discussed, would not go into effect immediately, but rather would be implemented down the road (likely in 2013). The age at which people would be eligible for Medicare benefits would be raised incrementally, not in one fell swoop.

Sources offered varied accounts regarding the seriousness with which the president had discussed raising the Medicare eligibility age. As the White House is fond of saying, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. And with Republicans having turned down a "grand" deal on the debt ceiling -- which would have included $3 trillion in spending cuts, including entitlement reforms, in exchange for up to $1 trillion in revenues -- it is unclear whether the proposal remains alive.

"That is one of the things they put on the table as part of a big solution," said one senior Republican Hill aide.

"It was considered in the context of the big deal," added a top Democratic source briefed on the deliberations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html)

Just a few days ago Boehner said the debt limit will be raised. And yet here are are talking about entitlement cuts and drastic changes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2011, 09:09:08 PM
I've come to really dislike hearing about Obama and Boner in the last few weeks.  Fucking do something, tardnuggets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 11, 2011, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 11, 2011, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on July 11, 2011, 01:12:25 PM
He also said he's willing to take a lot of heat from Democrats to get a deal made.  Jeez.  He undermines his own party at every fucking turn and caters to the right on every issue.

I don't think there has been a President so willing to shit on his base as often as Obama.  Maybe Lyndon Johnson and that is a stretch.

Nevertheless, Obama is in campaign mode and probably assumes that 2012 will provide another Republican victory with them taking over the Senate.  So he is doing whatever he can to distance himself from the Democrats so he can make himself more electable.  Which is kind of a gamble because the people he's coddling up to want to throw his ass out.  Pissing on his base really can't help his chances, who may end up sitting out the election.  He sure as shit isn't going to get the kind of support he received in 2008 and I believe deep down that he knows that.


Which again leads us back to the question of who he's trying to appeal to with his concessions.

Let's forget for a second any practical issues Obama has to deal with as far as getting enough House votes or whatever. Let's just focus on the assumption that all this stuff Obama's sacrificing is because he wants to court Republican/independent votes. This would a modicum of sense if the proposals Obama is supporting to cut were in any way popular. But they're not. cutting medicare/raising the retirement age, not raisingn taxes on the rich, cutting eductation and health insurance for the poor, all of that stuff gets 70-80% support in the polls. Fuck, some of this shit isn't even popular among TEA PARTY voters.

Again, it's one thing to shit on your base to appeal to what seems to be a popular stance, but as far as I can tell, most of the GOP proposals are the OPPOSITE of popular.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 11, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
haha, that assumes that the "base" includes the majority of voters

hey, corporations are people too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 11, 2011, 09:44:39 PM
I heard they are going to rescind gay marriage in new york in exchange for a 5 cent increase in tobacco taxes. You heard it here first
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2011, 12:26:35 AM
Since the last 10 pages of people moaning about a phantom budget deal is getting a wee bit monotonous, I present you with libertarian-trolling.

First, a piece by China Mieville (http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias/) that Prole hipped me to on ocean-based, nationality-free utopias. Extra fun if you've read The Scar, since he presumably encountered all this while researching for it.

And at Slate, Stephen Metcalf picks apart (http://www.slate.com/id/2297019/) Anarchy, State, and Utopia and the famous Wilt Chamberlain thought experiment.

I'd post something about the Libya situation and France just randomly airdropping weapons into the country but it's fuckin' depressing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 12, 2011, 01:13:52 AM
ah, that metcalf article is great
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
There's no chance Obama loses outside of some insane freak event. People who think otherwise are delusional.
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 11, 2011, 03:14:39 PM
would it be theoretically/formally possible for both parties to nominate the same man/woman?
Yes.

Well, at least I know it's allowed (or at least was) by the Republican Party's rules. I think there have been a number of state Democratic Party nominations of Republicans as well, but I don't know if the national party has an official position. In either case, there are instances where Governors or things like that have been joint nominated against Independents. (Usually strong independents who are likely to easily win a three-way race.)

Although, it'd be easier to win the Republican primaries as a crossover than the Democratic ones since the Republicans have winner-take-all. You can ask some Freepers about this and Johm McCain.

Regarding the state ballot question, most will allow double listing and then combine the votes. I currently can't think of an example to cite but I know there have been instances outside of NY's weirdness where they took multiple ballot listings + write-ins and added them together.

Won't start on Metcalf.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 12, 2011, 10:31:46 AM
I hope if a deal isn't reached Obama just gives a big fuck you to the debt ceiling and orders the Treasury to continue selling bonds. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2011, 10:55:34 AM
[youtube=560,345]Y4tpWmmY8b4[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
There's no chance Obama loses outside of some insane freak event. People who think otherwise are delusional.

please explain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2011, 11:40:22 AM
Have you fucking SEEN the lunatics running on the other side?  Yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 12, 2011, 11:53:19 AM
Last night on the local news there was an opinion piece of Michelle Bachman and her husband their bigoted views on homosexuals.  The guy said he hopes Michelle never makes it to the ballot box.  I hope she does!  That's a guaranteed win for Obama (even if he is pissing me off recently).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 12, 2011, 01:48:39 PM
Incremental progress and occasional disappointment (Obama) will always and forever be better than lunacy and Christian based politics (um, everyone else)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 02:30:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on July 12, 2011, 01:45:53 PM
I'm thinking about hiring someone right now.  That payroll tax holiday sure would help :gloomy

I'm guessing you have less than 50 employees correct?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 02:49:53 PM
Nah it's meant for all employers assuming it's similar to the last payroll tax cut implemented; I was just wondering whether you ran a small business. I'm actually curious about the healthcare bill, from your perspective as a small business owner. I'll have a more detailed question after work tho, yo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 12, 2011, 03:05:26 PM
What the hell?

Quote
We're just getting the first word on this. So the details may be subject to clarification. But Senate Minority Leader has just suggested the GOP will give President Obama his debt limit increase without any spending cuts with a legislative maneuver that in essence allows Republicans to say it's all Obama's fault.

If that sounds bizarre, well, it is pretty bizarre. But that's what he said. More in a moment.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/07/mcconnell_opens_the_escape_hatch.php?ref=fpa

 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2011, 03:09:05 PM
wut
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2011, 03:14:22 PM
Basically, they won't filibuster a debt limit increase but will sternly wag their fingers at him I guess.  GOP is such a fuckin' joke.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 12, 2011, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 12, 2011, 03:05:26 PM
What the hell?

Quote
We're just getting the first word on this. So the details may be subject to clarification. But Senate Minority Leader has just suggested the GOP will give President Obama his debt limit increase without any spending cuts with a legislative maneuver that in essence allows Republicans to say it's all Obama's fault.

If that sounds bizarre, well, it is pretty bizarre. But that's what he said. More in a moment.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/07/mcconnell_opens_the_escape_hatch.php?ref=fpa

 :o

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
Which would be funnier?  GOP completely caving after all this, or McConnell publicly supporting a deal that the House GOP hates and basically costing Boehner his job?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 03:22:39 PM
GOP blinked first, and hard? I'm shocked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 12, 2011, 03:28:36 PM
It just goes to show that GOPussies aren't serious about the deficit. They need the deficit to stoke the Teatards and the base. Any serious deduction would nullify one of the few talking points they have left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2011, 03:37:29 PM
But, I thought the GOP was supposed to be about offering real solutions, instead of just opposing everything the President and the other party brought forward? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 12, 2011, 03:38:37 PM
Well didn't McConnell say last night that Republicans wouldn't be irresponsible and let us default?  I assumed he was saying that if it happened they would have done everything they could have and it was Dems being stubborn that caused it.  But I guess not.  Wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 03:39:13 PM
Quote
I just finished explaining that Mitch McConnell epic passing of the buck to President Obama amounts to one of the most brazen and open admissions of cynicism I've ever seen. McConnell is saying: Debt, Schmedt, we'll let you do pretty much anything as long as we're got the politics wired to help us. But I spoke too soon because there are at least a few Democrats who are as craven or perhaps simply as weak-minded as McConnell. Sam Stein tweeted that while Redstate is calling for McConnell to be "burned in effigy" one "Dem source" calls McConnell's move that of an "evil genius".

Now the idea here is clear enough. All the blame for increasing the national debt falls on Democrats. But really if McConnell's gambit played out it would simply cede to Democrats the ability to govern as they think is best for the country and presumably best for them politically. If they think a serious deficit reduction plan is necessary, they can still pass it. Yes, there are some ins and outs and complications. Republicans could still raise the debt ceiling and not allow the president's party to vote its own debt reduction plan.

At the end of the day though, McConnell's "evil genius" move seems like all it does is make the Democrats go to the public with what they believe is best for the country and be accountable for it. I have a hard time seeing that as being a meaningful threat. Since that's what people who are given the power to govern are supposed to do.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/07/craven_reign.php?ref=fpblg

so in 6 months..
republican: durr you raised deficit
obama: durr you punked out, i cut spending
regular voter: where's the jobs :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
I wish McConnell had this "fine, you can make the decisions" attitude a few years ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 12, 2011, 03:47:11 PM
Especially when no benefits are extended by Republicans and millions lose their lifeline and the economy tanks! yay!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
How long until multiple tea party GOPers start calling Obama a dictator and demanding impeachment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 12, 2011, 04:22:52 PM
That happened Nov. 2 2008.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 04:25:09 PM
Boehner sides with McConnell, wow

Quote
Huge chutzpah points to House Speaker John Boehner's spokesman Michael Steel, who sends along a statement of support for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's byzantine plan to avoid a debt default.

"The Speaker shares the Leader's frustration," Steel says. "Republicans are unified in our commitment to ensuring that the debt limit is not used as leverage to saddle small businesses with increased taxes that destroy jobs."

So it was the Democrats using the debt limit as leverage this whole time? I have a whole bunch of corrections to write. In any case, Democrats would have to buy in to this plan, and they could just as easily keep turning the screws on Republicans and force a showdown over a major 10 year debt and deficit plan, including significant new taxes. But time's running out, and this (or something like it) is potentially a way out for everyone.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/spox-boehner-agrees-with-mcconnell-that-dems-should-not-be-allowed-to-take-debt-limit-hostage.php

on a side note, chutzpuh is one of those words that no matter how many billion times I look up its meaning, I never remember it the next time I see it in an article.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 12, 2011, 04:36:27 PM
mega yawn for mega spin. More revisionist history bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 12, 2011, 09:53:54 PM
New taxes please.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 13, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 03:56:54 PM
How long until multiple tea party GOPers start calling Obama a dictator and demanding impeachment.

he's becoming an emperor, not a dictator, and will hopefully be impeached through fast and furious means anyway :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 13, 2011, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: drew on July 13, 2011, 04:57:06 PM
he's becoming an emperor, not a dictator, and will hopefully be impeached through fast and furious means anyway :P
             /
            /
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(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r126/Drewsy_photobucket/url-1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2011, 05:36:10 PM
Occupied the White House while being black I MEAN AMIRITE HERE OR WHUT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 13, 2011, 07:34:52 PM
if people still don't have drew on their ignore list, they should.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2011, 08:33:31 PM
So allegedly Obama abruptly walked out of today's debt meeting after multiple tense exchanges with Cantor, who then ran to Fox News to tell everyone.

Quote
When Obama was concluding the meeting, giving the closing remarks and talking about returning to the White House for a Thursday meeting, Cantor interrupted him and raised for the third time doing the possibility of a short-term extension. At that point, Obama had had enough and shut him down, said, "See you guys tomorrow," and left.

Republicans dispute the account, saying it was Obama who lost his cool and stormed out. Cantor's push for a short-term extension, a GOP aide said, was completely warranted because the White House had been "walking back" the savings on the number discussed during the earlier negotiations with Vice President Biden all week.

"Thursday it was $2 trillion, Monday it was $1.7-1.8 trillion, Tuesday it was $1.6-1.7-1.8 trillion," the staffer said. "This morning our staff met with White House folks and the wrap-up from that meeting said that the White House is now at $1.5 trillion."

Given those figures, Cantor pointed out that right now the two sides were very far apart on their goal of reaching $2.4 trillion in savings, which would satisfy minimum House GOP goals. Cantor told the president that he was moving the goal posts, and pressed for s short-term extension.

That's when Obama got visibly angry, telling Cantor that he could reach major savings if Republicans would agree to revenue increases, according to the GOP aide. He then upped the stakes by telling the group that he isn't afraid to veto a bill Congress produces and take the message and defend it to the American people.

Obama also let it be known that he had enough, noting that if U.S. defaults, it would amount to a tax increase on every American.

"I have reached the point where I say enough," Obama told the leaders, according to the account. "Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/president-obama-gave-both-sides.php?ref=fpa

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 13, 2011, 08:40:16 PM
Thank God he has some balls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 13, 2011, 09:26:17 PM
Obama's doing a pretty good job of keeping the GOP on the defensive on this issue, which is good.

I think pretty much everyone, regardless of political stripe, wants something seriously done about the deficit and he came up with a plan that incorporated the ideas of both parties.  The GOP is being the GOP but this time, I don't think they're going to find a significant portion of the population that wants to settle for a continuing resolution.  I understand why they want to do it: they want to shriek that Obama and Co. are still incapable of coming up with a budget and Obama turned it around on their sorry asses.  Obama outmaneuvered them and I think the GOP is scrambling to find the fiscal high ground (in their mind) but can't find it.  They're trapped and since Obama in the past has been proven to be bitch-made on serious issues, I think they expected (and still expect) him to fold and give in.

Hopefully he sticks with it while the GOP continues to squirm.  It gives him a chance to look like he's serious about reform while the others just want petty squabbling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TEEEPO on July 13, 2011, 09:53:42 PM
having had years of public choice theory shoved down my throat, i'm finding this all mildly amusing, especially by how the gop is playing their base -- they're pros. i'd say not to worry given that they're accomplishing what they set to do. no one is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged enough to allow us to default. no one.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
god i hope i'm right. my family will be ruined
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2011, 08:33:31 PM
So allegedly Obama abruptly walked out of today's debt meeting after multiple tense exchanges with Cantor, who then ran to Fox News to tell everyone.

Quote
When Obama was concluding the meeting, giving the closing remarks and talking about returning to the White House for a Thursday meeting, Cantor interrupted him and raised for the third time doing the possibility of a short-term extension. At that point, Obama had had enough and shut him down, said, "See you guys tomorrow," and left.

Republicans dispute the account, saying it was Obama who lost his cool and stormed out. Cantor's push for a short-term extension, a GOP aide said, was completely warranted because the White House had been "walking back" the savings on the number discussed during the earlier negotiations with Vice President Biden all week.

"Thursday it was $2 trillion, Monday it was $1.7-1.8 trillion, Tuesday it was $1.6-1.7-1.8 trillion," the staffer said. "This morning our staff met with White House folks and the wrap-up from that meeting said that the White House is now at $1.5 trillion."

Given those figures, Cantor pointed out that right now the two sides were very far apart on their goal of reaching $2.4 trillion in savings, which would satisfy minimum House GOP goals. Cantor told the president that he was moving the goal posts, and pressed for s short-term extension.

That's when Obama got visibly angry, telling Cantor that he could reach major savings if Republicans would agree to revenue increases, according to the GOP aide. He then upped the stakes by telling the group that he isn't afraid to veto a bill Congress produces and take the message and defend it to the American people.

Obama also let it be known that he had enough, noting that if U.S. defaults, it would amount to a tax increase on every American.

"I have reached the point where I say enough," Obama told the leaders, according to the account. "Would Ronald Reagan be sitting here? I've reached my limit. This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/president-obama-gave-both-sides.php?ref=fpa



It's all theater. I'll wait until the debt deal is reached before I pop open the champaign bottles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 14, 2011, 01:43:02 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 13, 2011, 05:35:16 PM
WTF are you talking about?

What has Obama done that's impeachable?

he ignored pentagon lawyers that were telling him he needed congressional approval to start dropping bombs over Libya, when Congress told him that they'd have his blessing he blew them off saying he didn't need them anyway - a violation of the War Powers Act and an act of high Treason since he seems to be taking his orders from the UN now

what i'm talking about here is the ATF (DEA & FBI) Gunwalker scandal, i personally believe that it was from formation a false flag attack meant to attack gun rights here in the States, I don't buy it that Obama knew nothing of the operation, which is the current statement from the White House.  Under intensive trial I believe it very well might be Barack right at the tippy top of the totem pole

Quote from: BrandNew on July 13, 2011, 07:34:52 PM
if people still don't have drew on their ignore list, they should.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html

also by suggesting that you have me on ignore and that others should despite the fact that you DON'T makes you the definition of a hypocrite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 14, 2011, 02:00:37 AM
the drugs, man. they're our vietnam
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2011, 03:57:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-w7QAEWudQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 14, 2011, 04:03:35 AM
Jesus Christ, I don't know whether to be scared or excited about all of this. Definitely more of the former, but still.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2011, 06:03:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 12, 2011, 05:25:07 AM
There's no chance Obama loses outside of some insane freak event. People who think otherwise are delusional.
please explain
Sorry, forgot to check this thread. Basically what others have said based on the candidates within the Republican party. But also because I think there will always be turnout for Obama. Anecdotal completely but many people I know seem to think he's some kind of king and everything but him is irrelevant. Same thing they said about Bush.

It works twofold. If the Republicans nominate Palin, Bachmann, etc. it brings them out but the self-declared moderates flee to Obama. If Republicans nominate Romney, the Tea Party types will bail.

I should disclose, I am biased. I want the Republicans to nominate Gary Johnson, even though he will never win the nomination and never win the general. I may or may not bother to vote for him if he's still around come primary season.

If I cared about winning I wouldn't bother with politics. I encourage third party voting simply because it gives them ballot status.
Quote from: drew on July 14, 2011, 01:43:02 AM
he ignored pentagon lawyers that were telling him he needed congressional approval to start dropping bombs over Libya, when Congress told him that they'd have his blessing he blew them off saying he didn't need them anyway - a violation of the War Powers Act and an act of high Treason since he seems to be taking his orders from the UN now

what i'm talking about here is the ATF (DEA & FBI) Gunwalker scandal, i personally believe that it was from formation a false flag attack meant to attack gun rights here in the States, I don't buy it that Obama knew nothing of the operation, which is the current statement from the White House.  Under intensive trial I believe it very well might be Barack right at the tippy top of the totem pole

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/personal-attack.html

also by suggesting that you have me on ignore and that others should despite the fact that you DON'T makes you the definition of a hypocrite
If the President does it, it's not illegal!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2011, 06:54:19 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 14, 2011, 03:57:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-w7QAEWudQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

I like her hair in that video.  It almost distracts me from her crazy eyes and her equally crazy opinions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2011, 07:01:19 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 14, 2011, 06:54:19 AM
I like her hair in that video.  It almost distracts me from her crazy eyes and her equally crazy opinions.
Why did you have to bring this up, I've watched this twice now looking at her hair. I almost wish it was real.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 14, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
Quote from: drew on July 14, 2011, 01:43:02 AM



what i'm talking about here is the ATF (DEA & FBI) Gunwalker scandal, i personally believe that it was from formation a false flag attack meant to attack gun rights here in the States, I don't buy it that Obama knew nothing of the operation, which is the current statement from the White House.  Under intensive trial I believe it very well might be Barack right at the tippy top of the totem pole



 :rofl :rofl :rofl :hans1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on July 14, 2011, 07:53:12 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2011, 12:26:35 AM
First, a piece by China Mieville (http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias/) that Prole hipped me to on ocean-based, nationality-free utopias.

Quote
A parable from seasteading’s past goes some way in explaining. In 1971, millionaire property developer Michael Oliver attempted to establish the Republic of Minerva on a small South Pacific sand atoll. It was soon off-handedly annexed by Tonga, and, in a traumatic actualized metaphor, allowed to dissolve back into the sea. To defeat the predatory outreach of nations and tides, it is clearly not enough to be offshore: True freedom floats.

I actually chortled at this. Oh man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 14, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Boogie on July 14, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :hans1

it really isn't far fetched, at all, this is how government operates, and this time they got caught with their pants down

by the way nice rebuttal, i look forward to further battles of cognition and wit with thou ::) ::) ::) :dur
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 14, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: drew on July 14, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
Quote from: Boogie on July 14, 2011, 07:13:00 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :hans1

it really isn't far fetched, at all, this is how government operates, and this time they got caught with their pants down

by the way nice rebuttal, i look forward to further battles of cognition and wit with thou ::) ::) ::) :dur

"This is how government operates."

Spent a lot of time in government and federal law enforcement, have you? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 14, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
even people with experience in those fields don't know what in the hell their masters are up to, as you have just demonstrated perfectly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2011, 10:01:28 AM
Yup, drew has gone off the deep end.  Welcome to the ignore list.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 14, 2011, 10:16:45 AM
oh, I'm sorry, did I interrupt your little rep dem rock em sock em match? please do continue...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 14, 2011, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: drew on July 14, 2011, 09:53:47 AM
even people with experience in those fields don't know what in the hell their masters are up to, as you have just demonstrated perfectly

Does the phrase "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" hold any meaning to you?

Because all you have offered is:

1) I bet Obama is behind it.  Yep, wouldn't surprise me if this whole op came from him.

And

2) "this is how government works", even though, umm, it's NOT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 14, 2011, 12:07:49 PM
Obama has a long history of having the desire to reinstate the assault weapons ban as well as a cornucopia of other firearm prohibitions, he even said at one point that to get it done they would need to go under the radar, which coming back to your main point I would dig up a direct quote of this but I'm on an iPhone at work and will be all day and night then will be going to a place without Internet for four days, sometime next week I'll make a post here with a load of links backing everything up.  false flag attacks are nothing new, they've been used for justification of war for as long as history has been written down and for policy for as long as at least this past decade 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 14, 2011, 12:23:08 PM
ohhhhhh.. I see.

So in actual fact, your compelling case is:

1) Obama doesn't like guns.

And

2). False flag operations have totally happened in the past, yo.

Welp, I for one am convinced.

:derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 14, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
again I can't very well put forth a compelling case on an iPhone thats sucking off of 3G while I'm at work all day, the evidence is out there in black and white, please feel free to investigate yourself if you are that impatient :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 14, 2011, 02:14:34 PM
Steve Jobs is an Obama supporter, right? Do you think he planned it this way to impede you from getting the word out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
I wish Obama would re-instate the assault weapons ban. Alas he hasn't touched the issue, which you would think would reassure paranoid types like Drew. But noo, any day he's gonna ban em right? He's just waiting for the chance to piss on your freedomz.

It must be so easy to sell bad stock to you guys, jesus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2011, 09:11:23 PM
He's a poor white dishwasher.  Most poor white people are wingnut conservatives.  He's just finally embracing his nature.  I think it's an angry reaction to powerlessness and hopelessness.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 14, 2011, 09:52:53 PM
I gotta disagree with PD on the assault rifle ban.  I want muh gunz!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 14, 2011, 10:14:14 PM
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WASHINGTON -- The Senate's top two officials are working on what one aide called a "hybrid," fail-safe solution to the debt ceiling debate that could garner enough political support to pass Congress.

The plan, which is being hatched by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), would ensure that over $1.5 trillion in cuts over ten years be passed into law. It would also grant President Obama the authority to extend the debt ceiling through the 2012 election season while requiring him to propose -- but allowing him to ultimately veto -- cuts beyond those initial $1.5 trillion.

Additionally, the deal would create a new "deficit commission" compromised solely of lawmakers who would be tasked with finding additional savings in the budget. The commission's recommendations would be given automatic, amendment-free votes in both chambers of Congress.

First reported by The Washington Post, the plan is far from complete. A Republican source on the Hill cautioned not to treat it as an official option, let alone a top one. "There are a lot of people with a lot of ideas," the source said. A Democratic source said that the language -- let alone composition -- of each part of the deal remains un-finalized.

But the contours do, on the surface, seem promising. The basic premise is to blend the debt ceiling deal crafted in talks led by Vice President Joe Biden with the plan that McConnell proposed this week, which would give the president authority to raise the debt ceiling while vetoing corresponding cuts.

As the dual plan is envisioned, House Republicans would be able to claim that they passed a deal without including revenue raisers or tax hikes. The president, meanwhile, will be able to move the debt ceiling debate into 2013, albeit while having to hold a largely pre-determined vote for a second extension (once the $1.5 trillion in cuts run out) before the election. Democrats would have to swallow a deal that didn't include revenues, but they will have protected entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare from cuts.

"It is a hybrid approach," said the Democratic official familiar with the proposal. "It is a way to get us some cuts now while making sure we have an option that we do not default on our debt."

While the concept may seem politically palatable, it could easily fall apart over the specific details. For starters, negotiators are not yet locked in to the actual cuts that have been suggested during the Biden talks. The president, meanwhile, continues to push for a larger package of cuts and reforms. The failure to include revenue increases in the hybrid plan could pose serious problems for Democratic lawmakers. Further, the composition of the deficit commission -- let alone the number of members -- is subject to haggling.

"There is a lot of detail on the commission part not locked," acknowledged one source familiar with the McConnell-Reid talks.

UPDATE: Speaking to reporters on Thursday, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) seemed to embrace the idea of combining the McConnell approach with the Biden talks.

"We would like to see, even if we can't get a grand deal, that some real cuts be added to Senator McConnell's proposal and perhaps Senator McConnell's proposal be modified," Schumer said. "That is another possibility, not as good as a larger deal, but certainly better than just avoiding default."



I'm at a loss as to why this wouuld be even a remotely positive thing. It takes the McConnell idea of giving responsibilty for the debt ceiling to Obama, but WITH the cuts the GOP wants, with no revenues whatsoever. What the heck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 15, 2011, 01:15:17 AM
a conservative? me?! now that is some funny shit right there.

also cohen really showed the lot of you up today, golf claps are in order
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 15, 2011, 10:39:57 AM
Yeah, because I've never heard the phrase "the paranoid style in American politics" before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 15, 2011, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2011, 08:04:32 PM
I wish Obama would re-instate the assault weapons ban. Alas he hasn't touched the issue, which you would think would reassure paranoid types like Drew. But noo, any day he's gonna ban em right? He's just waiting for the chance to piss on your freedomz.

somehow missed this.  i would predict that if he were re elected and had nothing to lose he would push forward with some sort of anti gun agenda, he has shown nothing except for inactivity to prove anything else to me.  this is a man who has a history of wanting to ban handguns outright and who has appointed numerous anti gunners to positions of power.  REGARDLESS he has touched this issue, you are wrong - He wrote an editorial some time after the Arizona pop off calling for new "common sense gun laws" and put together a meeting between gun ban groups like Brady and gun protection groups like the NRA, who declined to attend and whose president wrote a response article, search engines are your friend

anyways why would you want the assault weapons ban back? it was a silly prohibition of "evil" looking rifles of absolutely no merit, i would guess it's because you have no interest in it and you don't know what you're actually talking about, while you have that google tab up search for the barrel shroud lady, who like you has no knowledge of what they want banned
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
I hadn't really read up on the issue until today, but apparently News Corp has landed itself in some pretty deep trouble:

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/171301-news-corp-scandal-crosses-the-atlantic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
You'll know they're actually in trouble in the US when people like Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer start openly gunning for them.  That means they no longer are worried about one day potentially needing to be able to work for for Murdoch, so they'll start stating the obvious for a change.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2011, 07:03:22 PM
President Palin will just pardon them all in a few years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2011, 09:43:16 PM
Speaking of Caribou Barbie, it seems her big movie's about as successful as that Atlas Shrugged movie was:

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I hurried through the teenage hordes, bypassed a concession stand that sold 1,020 calories of soda for $5.25, and entered theater number 30, hoping I'd have ample time before the previews to talk to some people. But inside, the theater was empty. I sat there alone for 20 minutes, at which point an usher stuck his head in the door, gave me a quizzical smile, and said, "How come you're not watching Harry Potter?" Then he left me by myself again, and without any good answer.

...


Jamie Watkins, 22, is a Missouri native, which qualifies her as a real American. She only recently moved to Southern California, and her little sister, Jessie, age 18, was visiting for the first time.

"So, um, what made you come out here tonight?"

"We're going to Disneyland tomorrow," Jamie said, "but she just got here, so we decided we should go out."

"We looked online for the latest movie playing," Jessie added. "But all the Harry Potters were sold out, and then we saw 'The Undeafeated.' We don't even actually know what we're seeing."

"Well welcome to California," I said. "You're about to see a documentary about Sarah Palin."

"Oh, really?" they said, and started giggling again. I think they were expecting an action flick. When I returned to my seat, I thought maybe I'd talk to them after the movie, and get the perspective of two people who went in with no expectations. But they only lasted 20 minutes before walking out.



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/07/sarah-palin-movie-debuts-to-empty-theater-in-orange-county/241983/


Much more lollerness at the link.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 15, 2011, 10:16:26 PM
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Shortly before the end of the film, a young couple entered, walked to the back row, started making out, then interrupted their session and left (spoiler alert) as Andrew Breitbart, who made one of several guest appearances, started talking about eunuchs.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2011, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 15, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
You'll know they're actually in trouble in the US when people like Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer start openly gunning for them.  That means they no longer are worried about one day potentially needing to be able to work for for Murdoch, so they'll start stating the obvious for a change.

If that's the case, then maybe everyone in the beltway media will finally start treating Fox News as the propagandizing pieces of shit they really are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2011, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 15, 2011, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 15, 2011, 07:01:37 PM
You'll know they're actually in trouble in the US when people like Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer start openly gunning for them.  That means they no longer are worried about one day potentially needing to be able to work for for Murdoch, so they'll start stating the obvious for a change.

If that's the case, then maybe everyone in the beltway media will finally start treating Fox News as the propagandizing pieces of shit they really are.


Only if it's COMPLETELY obvious that Fox/Murdoch wouldn't survive this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2011, 12:20:44 AM
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Oh, this is just what Media Matters, George Soros lives for…you can take it to the bank they will dig and dig (and probably make up a few "facts") until they think they can try and take down Fox News. That is their mission in life… and since they incorrectly believe they 'got Glenn Beck', their chests are puffed out like the attack dogs they are. I can see their tongues salavating now!

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Obama and the libs will do anything to degrade the reputation the FoxNews. If it wasn't for Fox, Americans would not hear anything about the lies and illegal operations for the Obama regime. There is nothing here. Holder should find out who the illegal gun runners are in the ATF and DOJ. Oops, it might be him.

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George Soros sees a chance to take down his chief adversary and continue moving his Communist Empire forward. The Marxist's hate Murdock because he has a media empire that tells the truth. The destruction of NoBama and Soros will be someone telling the truth.

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Non-news about a renegade tabloid. So what. Imagine this country without FNC. Implants!

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Liberals are swiftly coming out to see if they can silence the most popular news in America. Well, let us see how this comes about. All those jump into the action are indeed supported by Soros financial empire at one time or the other.

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Rupert Murdoch will survive all the pin head politicians. Mr. Murdoch was magnificent in 1980's when he did more than any politician to tear down the thugs known as unionists by closeing Fleet St. Plant. Mr. Murdoch you are a champion!

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You can bet Soros and his media matters had something to do with this,..the IRS needs to look into media matters…

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Well since it is well known that Democrats a liars and will make up anything (or do anything) if they thought it would benefit them politically, I find their claims to be suspect. Someone else will need to make these accusations, the Democrats simply have no credibility and cannot be believed.

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this is just a way to rag on FNC and maybe try to knock them off the air or get their broadcat licence revoked.
congress again picking winners and losers the wniners in this case would be nbc cbs abc cnn msnbc the loser would be you guessed it fox news.
they like the days of old when they could tell america how to think

Unfortunately, News Corp really has nothing to worry about here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2011, 12:03:29 AM
Might need to think about eating grandma.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2011, 12:57:17 PM
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"Let's go back to the fundamental issue," Cain said. "Islam is both a religion and a set of laws -- Sharia laws. That's the difference between any one of our traditional religions where it's just about religious purposes."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/herman-cain-american-communities-have-the-right-to-ban-mosques.php

I pray a journalist will ask him if he thinks there is such a thing as Biblical law, and whether it has had any impact on US law/constitution. Gonna buy some popcorn in the meantime.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2011, 07:32:24 PM
That would work temporarily but eventually the economic shock of a default would hurt Obama's own numbers. That being said, we won't default and I agree if the GOP continues to dick around, Obama should walk away from the table and dare the GOP to fuck Wall Street. Seems like they've blinked already though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2011, 06:50:22 AM
(http://stuff.jonwhitestudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/fun-with-the-debt-ceiling.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2011, 05:06:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]9_mWlXvKnq8[/youtube]

I feel ya, Michelle, I don't know what it means/how to pronounce it either
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2011, 06:31:40 PM
Goyim.    :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
Let's see the cult set try to spin this one. (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus-20110719,0,2277465.column)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2011, 08:43:55 PM
"if only liberals would defend Israeli security as fervently as they defend Israeli slang"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2011, 08:53:02 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 18, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
Let's see the cult set try to spin this one. (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus-20110719,0,2277465.column)

Hate to break it to you, but on the internets Elizabeth Warren has way more of a cult than Obama at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2011, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 18, 2011, 08:41:45 PM
Let's see the cult set try to spin this one. (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus-20110719,0,2277465.column)

Well, not sayin that this was Obama's plan, but this could mean that Warren may be running for the Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 18, 2011, 10:51:01 PM
I'd love it if she could knock out Scott Brown before he becomes a Snowe/Collins style tenured moderate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2011, 11:27:33 PM
Consumer protection, huh? Sounds like another layer of unnecessary government control!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 20, 2011, 05:41:00 PM
Man, this has gotta suck for T-Paw:

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In a sign that former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s campaign is still struggling, Public Policy Polling announced Monday night that Texas Gov. Rick Perry will replace Pawlenty in general election polling match-ups against Pres. Barack Obama.

Pawlenty will still be included in the organization’s Republican primary polls, but his removal from this company’s general election poll match-ups bodes badly for Pawlenty, who has faltered in recent polls, leading some observers to speculate that his campaign is sinking.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
damn I thought he could get the nom. At the time he was the only candidate who could appeal to the tea party, Evangelicals, and regular conservatives. Oh well, can't wait to see Rick Perry make Romney squirm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
BACHMANN/PERRY OVERDRIVE 2012 BABY

...the fact that you thought Pawlenty remotely had a chance proves you don't know shit about politics.  Like, Cheebsian level of knowledge and shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2011, 08:52:59 PM
Of course he had a chance. Solid governing record (by GOP standards), ties to the religious right, early tea party acolyte. I assumed the base would reject Romney and make a unified choice of someone who everyone liked to some degree, even if they weren't completely sold on him; basically the John Kerry of 2012.

Pawlenty's campaign died when he couldn't attack Romney to his face at the first big debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2011, 08:54:51 PM
Pawlenty's campaign died when he was a boring midwestern governor without a solid donor base... ie, BEFORE IT FUCKING STARTED. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 20, 2011, 09:15:42 PM
Pawlenty never had a chance, pretty much like everyone predicted several pages back.  He says a lot of the same things other candidates have but without the fundraising skills and/or being a marginally attractive woman that can command the attention of horny middle aged men and suburbanite soccer moms.  His campaign died well before he announced it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2011, 09:19:19 PM
A Bachman nomination will be a gop conciliation until 2016. Plus, with the loss of the senate and house seats back to Dems in '012, the public will have shown the referendum on the right's toxic rhetoric/politics. By time '016 rolls around, the Green party will have more of the popular vote than the gop and good riddance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2011, 09:31:21 PM
There's absolutely fucking no telling what will happen in next year's elections, but I wouldn't put money on the dems regaining the house.  They may very well lose the Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 20, 2011, 10:03:31 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 20, 2011, 09:19:19 PM
A Bachman nomination will be a gop conciliation until 2016. Plus, with the loss of the senate and house seats back to Dems in '012, the public will have shown the referendum on the right's toxic rhetoric/politics. By time '016 rolls around, the Green party will have more of the popular vote than the gop and good riddance.

Two years into a presidency that succeeded what was widely deemed by historians as the worst administration in the country's history, the 'American People' voted to put the same fuckheads back in power, and at HISTORIC levels. The Bush years should have given the Dems control of the House, Senate and White House for the next century, at the very LEAST. But we all know how that turned out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2011, 10:16:40 PM
Meh, elections are always volatile and people have short memories. Mid term elections also tend to be dominated by whatever partisan group is pissed off the most (recently 2006 and 2010). Considering republicans won control of entire states on the state level last year, I can't really see dems winning them back next year; redistricting will also ensure the GOP keeps a host of seats.

It seems like folks are realizing divided government isn't working, so perhaps 2012 will see a clear movement to one side or the other. Personally I think Obama is fucked, and will probably take a one year ban bet with Triumph if he has the balls.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2011, 10:19:32 PM
I honestly don't see how Obama loses... unless the economy is even more in the shitter and Romney is the nominee.

I would do a ban bet, but iirc no admin here wants to enforce them and I doubt you would just leave for a year, Maurice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 20, 2011, 10:56:53 PM
Fucking christ maurice, you're awful at election predictions  :lol

There's no reasonable scenario where Obama loses.  No one in the GOP running right now has a decent shot other than Romney and maaybe Perry.  The crazier the GOP gets, the stronger their base gets but the more they distance themselves from general conservatives and independents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2011, 11:37:30 PM
:piss ban bets :piss2

Just make a vow to lay off declarative statements about politics (or basketball :teehee) for a year, if you want to feel something is on the line.

If the economy gets worse, Obama could be in trouble.  If it gets better, he'll do better.  Romney will likely be the nom (and I wish I could have bet on him online a couple years ago) and he'll run a center-right campaign which the crazy wing of the GOP will support because Obama's a fuckin' sleeper Commie jihadist.  Presidential elections are when people fall back in line.

The voting public has no strong feelings about divided government.  They hated Congress when it was Republican, then hated it when it was Democratic.  They hate it now that it's split.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 21, 2011, 01:10:16 AM
Nobody but Mick and Perry, huh? I think Ron Paul has a chance this time, more people are coming around to him as straw polls and fundraising indicate and waking up to the fact that the whole rep dem thing is a sham and at the end of the day they still work for the same people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2011, 01:31:46 AM
Quote from: Spencer on July 21, 2011, 01:17:19 AM
It's insane how ingrained it is to the lay public that you either vote red or blue. I'm planning on voting Paul if I have to pencil it in.

Well aren't you a snowflake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 21, 2011, 10:17:55 AM
Ron Paul has a chance?  :lol  Advocating legalizing heroin would kill him if ever actually got the nom.  I can see the ads now...

"Ron Paul supports legalization of drugs, including heroin.  Ron Paul wants your kid to shoot up.  Is that the kind of America you want?

Paid for by the Group of People Who Want A Drug Free America"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 21, 2011, 11:35:00 AM
fucking drew is worse than PD :rofl

Ron Paul has a chance...with piece of shit laze about 4channers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
JD, do you agree with Grover Norquist that raising taxes EVER AT ALL is basically the same as Auschwitz?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 21, 2011, 01:07:28 PM
Yeah the openly racist gold-standard fagtard is the best option.  Mhm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2011, 01:27:30 PM
paul is racist?  ???
Title: Accountability for thee, not for me
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2011, 01:56:08 PM
No, it's just the Ron Paul Newsletter had a bunch of racist op-eds that ran without bylines.  Paul says he didn't write them and won't reveal who did, and that settles the matter for me!  It would be terribly bad manners for anyone to ask any followup questions or treat him as if he were even partially responsible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 21, 2011, 03:29:12 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 21, 2011, 12:06:50 PM
If he doesn't get the nom, and admittedly that's likely, the best option among what remains will get my support. 

that's the thing, there is no "best option" beyond paul, everyone else will continue the agenda of the previous president, and the the president before him, and the president before him...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 21, 2011, 03:41:36 PM
I think either Drew has taken his first political science class or he's been watching too many truther videos on Youtube lately.  It's all a conspiracy, bro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on July 21, 2011, 04:40:36 PM
i took my first poli sci class in 05 and am not a truther nor have i ever even mentioned one thing on here to suggest that i would be one :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 21, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
You seem like you'd fit in with them.  Still love ya, bro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 21, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 20, 2011, 09:31:21 PM
There's absolutely fucking no telling what will happen in next year's elections, but I wouldn't put money on the dems regaining the house.  They may very well lose the Senate.

I think Obama's chances are directly hitched to the economy: the better the economy does, the better he will end up doing.  Regarding Congress, I have no clue.  There are thousands of x factors that nobody here will know about until shortly before the election.  Mark Foley and the damage his scandal caused is an excellent example.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2011, 06:12:04 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 21, 2011, 12:08:58 PM
JD, do you agree with Grover Norquist that raising taxes EVER AT ALL is basically the same as Auschwitz?

I'm actually curious about this myself. I was thinking about Norquist's distinguished mentally-challenged pledge for the past several months and it's just baffling how even the most anti-tax tea bagger could keep such a promise. I mean, forget ideology and all that abstract stuff, how do you, in a practical manner not raise ANY taxes? It's fundamentally impossible.

Take Los Angeles for instance. A couple of years back, we ran into some budget problems, and we chose not to raise taxes, instead just sticking to cutting spending. I'm sure Jaydubya might have liked that, except that our public transit system, the MTA, cut services but also INCREASED fares, and bus pass prices and shit. Our colleges and universities cut classes and INCREASED tuition and a whole other shit.

Shouldn't that in a way count as a tax increase, JD? Or are you one of those people that think that as long as you don't call it a 'tax', it's perfectly fine?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2011, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 21, 2011, 04:56:22 PM
FUCK, I haven't been this angry in awhile.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713 (http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713)

Compensation for company loyalty and years of on-the-job knowledge? Heck no! These are tough economic times and the boss needs to pay off his third Gulfstream.

Quote
“We infantilize workers like Joe by insulating them from the harsh economic realities by paying above market wages … and that failure can be corrected by treating Joe as an adult and having him face the market realities.”

Oh Lord Almighty.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 21, 2011, 08:24:10 PM
I guess I'm not sure what the problem is with that quote.  We have been spending decades worshiping CEOs and billionaire entrepreneurs while shitting on blue collar labor as often as possible.  This is just a development of that worship.  The people at the top aren't really scared to pull any kind of bullshit imaginable.  This recession should have had Lloyd Blankfein and Co.'s heads on pikes.  Instead, we basically fellated them whilst cupping their balls while telling ourselves that we deserve to take the brunt of the recession because we shouldn't punish genius.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
Welp, seems Boehner's out. Again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 22, 2011, 07:05:51 PM
God, Boehner is fucking awful.  I mean, most Republicans on Congress are, but christ, he is just the absolute worst.  If he's doing this simply as some political teehee to try and make Obama look like the bad one...then he doesn't understand what's at stake, nor is it fucking working.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2011, 07:17:13 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/obama-we-have-now-run-out-of-time.php?ref=fpa

We're getting to the point where Obama should just pull back and dare the GOP to let the country default. Or he should raise it unilaterally and tell the house "see you in court"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
If he does try to raise it unilaterally/goes the 14th amendment route, he's really gonna piss off a lot of people whose votes he needs next year.  As distinguished mentally-challenged as it sounds, a lot of squishy moderates/independents/people who stroke their chins and take David Brooks articles seriously because he doesn't say "fuck" that I know are really impressed with Obama for continuing to negotiate and make stupid attempts to cut spending because... it's "bipartisan" or something equally distinguished mentally-challenged.  When I try to explain to them that this is distinguished mentally-challenged, they refuse to listen because I inevitably call them stupid... and say "fuck" a lot.  What a bunch of fucking pussies.

The Republicans will cave, but probably in a manner that results in the Democrats making a series of votes to raise it, so they can repeatedly hang it over their heads come election time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on July 22, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
Your lack of seriousness is disturbing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on July 22, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 21, 2011, 04:56:22 PM
FUCK, I haven't been this angry in awhile.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713 (http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713)
Sort of reminds me of this piece I read yesterday:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speed-up-american-workers-long-hours
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
I wonder if there's somewhere I can bet on which gets resolved first- the NFL lockout or the debt ceiling impasse.

Also, clearly the NFL lockout is more important to REAL MURKINS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2011, 09:46:58 PM
Quote from: Trurl on July 22, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 21, 2011, 04:56:22 PM
FUCK, I haven't been this angry in awhile.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713 (http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713)
Sort of reminds me of this piece I read yesterday:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speed-up-american-workers-long-hours

Quote
Except what's good for American business isn't necessarily good for Americans.

It's stunning how many people, ordinary people, staunchly believe otherwise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2011, 09:53:46 PM
IF WE DON'T CONTINUOUSLY KEEP GIVING OUR GALTIAN OVERLORDS RIMJOBS WE WILL NEVER GET THEIR TABLE SCRAPS, NOW BACK TO LICKING ASSHOLE PROLE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2011, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 22, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
If he does try to raise it unilaterally/goes the 14th amendment route, he's really gonna piss off a lot of people whose votes he needs next year.  As distinguished mentally-challenged as it sounds, a lot of squishy moderates/independents/people who stroke their chins and take David Brooks articles seriously because he doesn't say "fuck" that I know are really impressed with Obama for continuing to negotiate and make stupid attempts to cut spending because... it's "bipartisan" or something equally distinguished mentally-challenged.  When I try to explain to them that this is distinguished mentally-challenged, they refuse to listen because I inevitably call them stupid... and say "fuck" a lot.  What a bunch of fucking pussies.

The Republicans will cave, but probably in a manner that results in the Democrats making a series of votes to raise it, so they can repeatedly hang it over their heads come election time.

Polls show voters overwhelmingly don't like the GOP's position here, and for once the media seems to be doing a decent job reporting on their refusal to compromise. I don't think Obama would face some huge backlash if he raised the limit unilaterally because of this. Both sides have been arguing for weeks, Obama has offered them everything but the kitchen sink, etc. It's pretty obvious they don't give a shit - well, the freshmen GOPers. Seems like Boehner and the other oldschool guys know this is bullshit.

Republicans will go ape shit but to be honest they've been going apeshit since the healthcare debate. I'm sure a deal will be done before we get to a point where Obama has to raise it himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2011, 10:12:43 PM
The House will absolutely, 195% impeach him if he does it unilaterally.  Guaranfuckingteed.  Might not be such a bad thing but I honestly don't know how such a court case would shake out with our current SC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2011, 10:15:23 PM
The SC constantly rules in favor of business, there's no way they'd rule against Obama and crash the global economy.

I also doubt the house would attempt to impeach Obama. It would go nowhere and only bolster Obama's argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2011, 10:53:50 PM
None of that stopped an arguably less insane Republican House from impeaching Clinton for... lying about a blowjob.  This is something that OMG MIGHT NOT BE CONTITOOOOOOSHUNAL AND TYRANNY AND THESE COLORS DON'T RUN IMPEACH THAT SOSHALUST KENYAN MUSLIN


...you know I'm right.  Just imagine the teatards reaction to Obama unilaterally raising the debt ceiling.  Try and think about it.  Yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 23, 2011, 12:20:39 AM
Yeah, but blowjobs > financial foresight in God's eye!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 23, 2011, 12:22:17 AM
Obama doing things unilaterally may be the solution but y'all are forgetting that Obama is nowhere near that confrontational or we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.  I think the GOP will cave by mostly Boehner selling out the freshmen teatards.  I suspect that they're just trying to squeeze as many concessions from Obama as possible before voting on the thing...at the very last minute.  I think letting the country's economic stability roll off the cliff again will have dire consequences for the Republicans and Democrats alike I think the old guard GOP knows this deep down.

I can't see how anyone would vote Republican again after seeing this kind of dumbfuckery but we live in a society where more people care about the NFL lockout.  This country is fucked.

Quote from: Trurl on July 22, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 21, 2011, 04:56:22 PM
FUCK, I haven't been this angry in awhile.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713 (http://www.bnet.com/blog/harvard/outrageous-ceo-pay-how-about-lowering-salaries-of-longtime-workers/12426?promo=713&tag=nl.e713)
Sort of reminds me of this piece I read yesterday:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speed-up-american-workers-long-hours

Speed up?  We just call it where I work "doing more with less."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2011, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 23, 2011, 12:22:17 AM
I think the GOP will cave by mostly Boehner selling out the freshmen teatards.

How does he do this and keep his leadership position?

I'd be shocked if Boehner let a bill come to a vote if it didn't have the support of at least half the House GOP caucus.  Otherwise he's basically handing his Speakership to Cantor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 23, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
I wish there was a way to turn off comments on news stories posted online.  CNN's conserve-crazies have now settled on calling Obama the Communist Community Organizer.  And they're calling Boehner a hero in financial reform  le wut
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-lawrence-otto/rick-perry-abstinence_b_904115.html

that video...lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
I see the true extent of what we're facing out there every time I go to WalMart. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 23, 2011, 04:48:27 PM
*shudder*

I'm so glad I live in a city.  I don't have to deal with that sort of dumbfuckery nearly as much as I used to when I lived in Ohio.

Of course I live right down the street from Vanderbilt which is the modern definition of white entitlement, so maybe its not as good as I think it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2011, 04:55:33 PM
I now live in a small town full of retirees who are no doubt confused  about the Muslin Presnint coming after their Medicare.  Fortunately I can always just drive the 15 minutes to the People's Republic of Asheville if I need to be around hippies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2011, 05:30:21 PM
JD!  So, *ARE* all tax increases the same as Auschwitz?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2011, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 23, 2011, 05:49:07 PM
What's wrong with a two-pronged approach to reducing the deficit? We'll cut the deficit down faster if government revenues are increased while spending is reduced. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Because raising taxes is a violation of Natural Law.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
and from there the debate simply lies in arguing over what constitutes the government's "legitimate functions".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2011, 06:26:54 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 23, 2011, 06:00:28 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 23, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
and from there the debate simply lies in arguing over what constitutes the government's "legitimate functions".

What's there to debate?   :smug

Need some reference material?

That's just bait for you to post a link to the Constitution, isn't it? ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2011, 06:42:38 PM
I poked the bear looking for crazed gibberish to come out of it's mouth, and I came away happy!  Also, this is the "taxes = Auschwitz" thing I was talking about, I kind of misspoke.  Grover Norquist said that claiming that an estate tax would only affect the very rich was "the very morality of the Holocaust."  Cheerful fellow, that one!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2011, 07:13:46 PM
A new challenger has appeared
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29533607&postcount=6423

post in reference to: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/us/22haboob.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2011, 07:18:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2011, 07:13:46 PM
A new challenger has appeared
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29533607&postcount=6423

post in reference to: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/us/22haboob.html

 :lol

This is the English language we're talking about here, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
Jaydub, can you answer my question on the previous page, por favor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2011, 10:13:41 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 23, 2011, 10:07:07 PM




(A whole page ago?  Weak, you know that's my kryptonite.)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2011, 03:19:43 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/super-congress-debt-ceiling_n_907887.html

Did someone hack HuffPo or is this real...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 24, 2011, 12:48:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2011, 03:19:43 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/super-congress-debt-ceiling_n_907887.html

Did someone hack HuffPo or is this real...

:S
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Redoing Congress in and of itself is not such a bad idea- the Senate is generally as useless as tits on a log due to the stupid rules that govern it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beardo on July 25, 2011, 10:09:44 AM
Can any armchair political commentators here, comment on Obama's plan to get reelected by not creating jobs? It seems like a gamble, but then again I dont know how liberals think. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 25, 2011, 10:18:41 AM
Quote from: Beardo on July 25, 2011, 10:09:44 AM
Can any armchair political commentators here, comment on Obama's plan to get reelected by not creating jobs? It seems like a gamble, but then again I dont know how liberals think. 

I do have to say, for all their faults, conservatives' lack of cognitive dissonance is a little bit endearing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2011, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Beardo on July 25, 2011, 10:09:44 AM
Can any armchair political commentators here, comment on Obama's plan to get reelected by not creating jobs? It seems like a gamble, but then again I dont know how liberals think. 

You know, considering that the best way the federal govt. can encourage job creation is increased spending, I'd like you to explain to me how Obama is going to get a $500 billion plus spending bill passed in the insane asylum known as the US House of Representatives.  Go ahead and try, shitburger.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2011, 01:15:17 PM
But I thought government didn't create jobs, Beardo  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 04:32:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2011, 03:19:43 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/23/super-congress-debt-ceiling_n_907887.html

Did someone hack HuffPo or is this real...

But Republicans...want small government, right? This isn't...smaller government.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2011, 05:39:33 PM
Actually, the government CAN create jobs...by becoming smaller. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Quote
With its Sarah Palin documentary "The Undefeated" increasing its playdates by 40 percent this weekend, only to watch box office revenue decline by more than 63 percent, distributor Arc Entertainment announced Sunday that the film will soon be available on pay per view.

The movie played in 14 Tea Party-friendly locations this weekend -- up from the 10 in which it opened last week -- but grossed just $24,000.

http://news.yahoo.com/palin-doc-headed-ppv-ticket-sales-plummet-001216822.html

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 06:19:23 PM
How can she be undefeated if she was fucking defeated  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2011, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2011, 06:19:23 PM
How can she be undefeated if she was fucking defeated  ???

Sarah Palin just wins football games wins elections
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2011, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 25, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Quote
With its Sarah Palin documentary "The Undefeated" increasing its playdates by 40 percent this weekend, only to watch box office revenue decline by more than 63 percent, distributor Arc Entertainment announced Sunday that the film will soon be available on pay per view.

The movie played in 14 Tea Party-friendly locations this weekend -- up from the 10 in which it opened last week -- but grossed just $24,000.

http://news.yahoo.com/palin-doc-headed-ppv-ticket-sales-plummet-001216822.html

:rofl

Whoever thought that a Palin theatrical documentary was a good idea is an idiot. Do you know who go to documentaries in theaters? Liberals. Crazy over-educated liberals.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've seen 3 docs in the theater in the last month.  :-[
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2011, 06:42:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2011, 06:19:23 PM
How can she be undefeated if she was fucking defeated  ???

It's like "undead". You can't beat her, she's already defeated!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 07:09:35 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 25, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
you can't defeat what comes pre-defeated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2011, 09:05:55 PM
Obama be giving a speech right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 25, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
Damn, surprisingly he seems to be tapping more into his Chairman ObaMAO side in this speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
I'm away at the moment, what is he saying
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2011, 09:38:02 PM
basically

Obama: Lets compromise
Boehner: Lets not compromise

So who folds first. The default will be averted, the question is which plan passes. Boehner can't even get his plan to pass in the house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2011, 09:56:07 PM
if obama gets his preferred (or lesser of the evil) plan passed, I wonder how the polls will portray him afterwards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 25, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
I liked Obama's speech. A lot of talk, let's see some action. Notifying my congressman tomorrow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSP800.htm

Seriously, Scott Walker is like some stupid and obvious Bond villain.  Between the phone call, then passing a law that requires photo id to vote (I'm sure JD will explain how that's ok) and now passing a bill TO CLOSE DMV'S IN DEMOCRATIC AREAS SO EVEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET PHOTO ID'S TO VOTE IT'S FUCKING HARDER TO, you kind of have to admire his huge brass testicles.  A shame he's gonna get recalled to death and Feingold is gonna win early next year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 26, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSP800.htm

Seriously, Scott Walker is like some stupid and obvious Bond villain.  Between the phone call, then passing a law that requires photo id to vote (I'm sure JD will explain how that's ok) and now passing a bill TO CLOSE DMV'S IN DEMOCRATIC AREAS SO EVEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET PHOTO ID'S TO VOTE IT'S FUCKING HARDER TO, you kind of have to admire his huge brass testicles.  A shame he's gonna get recalled to death and Feingold is gonna win early next year.

I'm curious, what's your argument against requiring photo ID at polling booths?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 26, 2011, 04:49:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 26, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSP800.htm

Seriously, Scott Walker is like some stupid and obvious Bond villain.  Between the phone call, then passing a law that requires photo id to vote (I'm sure JD will explain how that's ok) and now passing a bill TO CLOSE DMV'S IN DEMOCRATIC AREAS SO EVEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET PHOTO ID'S TO VOTE IT'S FUCKING HARDER TO, you kind of have to admire his huge brass testicles.  A shame he's gonna get recalled to death and Feingold is gonna win early next year.

I'm curious, what's your argument against requiring photo ID at polling booths?

Um, poll tax?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 08:39:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 26, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSP800.htm

Seriously, Scott Walker is like some stupid and obvious Bond villain.  Between the phone call, then passing a law that requires photo id to vote (I'm sure JD will explain how that's ok) and now passing a bill TO CLOSE DMV'S IN DEMOCRATIC AREAS SO EVEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET PHOTO ID'S TO VOTE IT'S FUCKING HARDER TO, you kind of have to admire his huge brass testicles.  A shame he's gonna get recalled to death and Feingold is gonna win early next year.

I'm curious, what's your argument against requiring photo ID at polling booths?
There's no requirement to get a photo ID, so why should there be one to vote when it's such a basic right?  It's like saying Freedom of Speech doesn't apply if you don't have a photo ID to prove you're a citizen or something.  That wasn't the fucking deal.  Either make photo ID's a mandatory requirement or drop it as a requirement for voting. 

But maybe you wanna go back to the days where you also had to own land.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
Where is the right to vote in the constitution? I guess it's right near the "you have to buy insurance" amendment :teehee

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2011, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 08:39:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:46:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 26, 2011, 01:42:25 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OKSP800.htm

Seriously, Scott Walker is like some stupid and obvious Bond villain.  Between the phone call, then passing a law that requires photo id to vote (I'm sure JD will explain how that's ok) and now passing a bill TO CLOSE DMV'S IN DEMOCRATIC AREAS SO EVEN IF PEOPLE WANT TO GET PHOTO ID'S TO VOTE IT'S FUCKING HARDER TO, you kind of have to admire his huge brass testicles.  A shame he's gonna get recalled to death and Feingold is gonna win early next year.

I'm curious, what's your argument against requiring photo ID at polling booths?
There's no requirement to get a photo ID, so why should there be one to vote when it's such a basic right?  It's like saying Freedom of Speech doesn't apply if you don't have a photo ID to prove you're a citizen or something.  That wasn't the fucking deal.  Either make photo ID's a mandatory requirement or drop it as a requirement for voting. 

But maybe you wanna go back to the days where you also had to own land.  :smug

Forgive me for being ignorant on the subject, but since I never voted, I thought you had to show photo ID anyway? Apparently that's not the case?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:14:50 PM
I've never voted without being asked to show some form of ID, be it school or driver's license.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on July 26, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 26, 2011, 01:08:01 PM

Forgive me for being ignorant on the subject, but since I never voted, I thought you had to show photo ID anyway? Apparently that's not the case?
You've never voted?  Did you only become interested in politics 6 months ago?  I am honestly very surprised.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2011, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: Trurl on July 26, 2011, 01:20:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 26, 2011, 01:08:01 PM

Forgive me for being ignorant on the subject, but since I never voted, I thought you had to show photo ID anyway? Apparently that's not the case?
You've never voted?  Did you only become interested in politics 6 months ago?  I am honestly very surprised.

Um, well thing is...I never registered. :/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
Where is the right to vote in the constitution? I guess it's right near the "you have to buy insurance" amendment :teehee

 
There may not be an explicit "right to vote" amendment in the constitution but votings rights are explicitly detailed in more than one amendment (by way of stating reasons you can't be denied to vote).

And I won't even bite your troll bait about insurance.

Oblivion: When you register you get a voter registration card.  You take that.  One of the reasons why the ID is absurd is because the proper authorities have already done their due process when you registered to vote, hence why you have the card. 

"Don't hassle me, man."

Edit: By the way, you can take other forms of ID if you lose your registration card.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
how come convicts can't vote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:14:50 PM
I've never voted without being asked to show some form of ID, be it school or driver's license.

Do I need to show identification in order to vote?
Michigan does have a voter identification requirement at the polls. Voters are asked to present an acceptable photo ID such as a Michigan driver's license or identification card. Please note that voters who do not have an acceptable form of ID or failed to bring it with them to the polls still can vote. They simply sign a brief affidavit stating that they're not in possession of a photo ID. Their ballots are included with all others and counted on Election Day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
how come convicts can't vote
That's been an ongoing issue for a long time with people stating it's unconstitutional.  I personally don't like the idea of someone who's "served their time" being told they can't vote.  Let them vote.  In other words, states have made it a state issue, not a federal issue since the constitution isn't explicit on convicts.  Pretty much every state has a movement trying to challenge it on constitutional grounds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
I'm fuckin with you dawg, it's my lunch break. Beardo said he'll be on soon to continue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
you're so mean, PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 27, 2011, 02:53:16 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oreilly-challenges-faith-writer-sally-quinn-to-explain-how-norway-bomber-is-christian/

You know, I used to think that Bill O's inability to comprehend the concept of gravity was his most dimwitted moment, but I think I've found a new winner.

Quote from: Mupepe on July 26, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
Where is the right to vote in the constitution? I guess it's right near the "you have to buy insurance" amendment :teehee

 
Oblivion: When you register you get a voter registration card.  You take that.  One of the reasons why the ID is absurd is because the proper authorities have already done their due process when you registered to vote, hence why you have the card. 

Ah, so that's how it works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2011, 03:04:30 AM
"Just because a mass murderer says he's Christian doesn't mean he's Christian. His actions violate Christianity therefore he's not Christian!"

hm, I'll remember that line of reasoning next time he attacks Muslim terrorists :teehee

edit: this video, holy fuck  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 27, 2011, 07:36:01 PM
The loneliest tea party:

Quote
Despite featuring Tea Party icons Sens. Jim DeMint (R-SC), Mike Lee (R-UT), and Rand Paul (R-KY), among others, a gathering outside the Senate organized by the Tea Party Express to urge Republicans to stand firm against a compromise bill drew only a handful of attendees.

Reporters, many of whom came to interview presidential candidate Herman Cain, appeared to easily outnumber protesters. And despite being the most prominent attendee, Cain ended up not addressing the crowd and instead watching from the sidelines.

Talking Points Memo on FacebookThe dismal showing comes as Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations are waging an aggressive campaign against a plan by Republican leaders to raise the debt ceiling with a two-tiered set of cuts and no promise of a balanced budget amendment.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/very-low-turnout-at-tea-party-rally-against-boehner-plan.php (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/very-low-turnout-at-tea-party-rally-against-boehner-plan.php)

:(

(http://cdn.stripersonline.com/a/ab/1000x500px-LL-ab064fcc_teaparty_tg0131.standalone.prod_affiliate.74.jpg)

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2011, 10:00:14 PM
inb4 maurice tries to come in here and defend o'reilly again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
To be fair, Jesus said love your enemies. Mohammed said kill your enemies. You decide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2011, 11:03:16 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 28, 2011, 12:01:07 AM
[youtube=560,345]d7GfPEtyQsE[/youtube]

ah, the furry-footed fantasies of grover norquist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2011, 12:10:38 AM
You know there's a big problem with the GOP when even John McCain starts to sound logical and intelligent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 28, 2011, 01:13:15 AM
That's not exactly fair to John McCain.  We all know McCain, when he's not in election years, is a pretty smart, logical individual.  Yeah, he's a Republican, but he's by far one of the most logical ones in DC.  He just happens to dumb his positions down whenever he needs reelection.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 01:31:09 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 28, 2011, 01:13:15 AM
That's not exactly fair to John McCain.  We all know McCain, when he's not in election years, is a pretty smart, logical individual.  Yeah, he's a Republican, but he's by far one of the most logical ones in DC.  He just happens to dumb his positions down whenever he needs reelection.

This is one of those posts that makes Mandark stay up all night googling just to drop a bomb on your ass  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 28, 2011, 01:36:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2011, 10:57:54 PM
To be fair, Jesus said love your enemies. Mohammed said kill your enemies. You decide.

that makes no sense - if I loved them, why would they be my enemies?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 28, 2011, 01:46:23 AM
Also, isn't Mordor part of Middle-earth? Shouldn't it be "return to the Shire" or somesuch? I hope the GOP legislators aren't too fixated on McCain's poor Lord of the Rings geography to pay heed to his message.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 28, 2011, 09:18:01 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 28, 2011, 01:13:15 AM
That's not exactly fair to John McCain.  We all know McCain, when he's not in election years, is a pretty smart, logical individual.  Yeah, he's a Republican, but he's by far one of the most logical ones in DC.  He just happens to dumb his positions down whenever he needs reelection.
No no no.  That was McCain.  McCain has been in full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow mode for years. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 28, 2011, 09:58:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 01:31:09 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 28, 2011, 01:13:15 AM
That's not exactly fair to John McCain.  We all know McCain, when he's not in election years, is a pretty smart, logical individual.  Yeah, he's a Republican, but he's by far one of the most logical ones in DC.  He just happens to dumb his positions down whenever he needs reelection.

This is one of those posts that makes Mandark stay up all night googling just to drop a bomb on your ass  :-\

You're probably right  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107280007
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2011, 02:18:06 PM
Jon Scott's rambling hurt my brain.  :-\

Luckily Bill Nye was there to set things right.  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 04:04:19 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/28/999613/-Sen-Pat-Roberts-writes-his-own-Roberts-Obama-fan-fiction

David Brooks could be the ref!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 28, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 04:04:19 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/28/999613/-Sen-Pat-Roberts-writes-his-own-Roberts-Obama-fan-fiction

David Brooks could be the ref!

Quote
Nearing the hoop, he jumped into the air. It was graceful, like a Gulfstream G650 with optional four-place conference table. "Why, a recent study shows that ..." He dunked, effortlessly, and I was lost in the moment. "All right, that's 12 points to 10," he said, beaming.
 "A study shows that merely reupholstering the seats on a Cessna Citation X on a bi-yearly basis can employ up to 25 people, so—"
 
The president put his finger to his lips. "Don't speak," he whispered. "Just play."

Holy shit!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2011, 05:29:35 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on July 28, 2011, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 04:04:19 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/28/999613/-Sen-Pat-Roberts-writes-his-own-Roberts-Obama-fan-fiction

David Brooks could be the ref!

Quote
Nearing the hoop, he jumped into the air. It was graceful, like a Gulfstream G650 with optional four-place conference table. "Why, a recent study shows that ..." He dunked, effortlessly, and I was lost in the moment. "All right, that's 12 points to 10," he said, beaming.
 "A study shows that merely reupholstering the seats on a Cessna Citation X on a bi-yearly basis can employ up to 25 people, so—"
 
The president put his finger to his lips. "Don't speak," he whispered. "Just play."

Holy shit!

I'm pretty sure they just made up that part to be funny. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2011, 06:57:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107280007
:rofl

ahahahaha i just saw this on my twitter feed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2011, 06:24:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2011, 02:11:36 PM
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107280007
:rofl

Love the look on Nye's face after he asks the question. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 29, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/home/598/buchanan-20110729.jpg)
Quote from: Pat Buchanan
As for a climactic conflict between a once-Christian West and an Islamic world that is growing in numbers and advancing inexorably into Europe for the third time in 14 centuries, on this one, Breivik may be right.

*sigh*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2011, 03:15:55 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6685/tweet2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 29, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
lol PD at gaf.  "perry or romney can and will beat Obama"

shut the fuck up, PD  :lol You're track record with political predictions is terrible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2011, 09:42:46 PM
*looks at unemployment, GDP revisions*

nah, I'm pretty confident.

Anyway Boehner's bill got shitcanned in the senate, and now apparently McConnel is saying he will not negotiate with Reid - he wants to talk to Obama directly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2011, 10:42:50 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 29, 2011, 04:37:00 PM
lol PD at gaf.  "perry or romney can and will beat Obama"

shut the fuck up, PD  :lol You're track record with political predictions is terrible.

Versus the people who think Obama will win because he is just soooo osm?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2011, 11:22:42 PM
PD's getting destroyed in the gaf thread.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 30, 2011, 03:40:17 AM
http://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/index.html#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/222-episode/video/222-july-29-overtime.html/eNrjcmbOUM-PSXHMS8ypLMlMDkhMT-VLzE1lLmTO1yzLTEnNh8k45+eVpFaUsDGySSeWluQX5CRW2pYUlaZyMjKyMQIAYmwXOA==

Matt Kibbe's such a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2011, 04:47:51 AM
"In Europe there are haves and have nots" :violin

"In America anything is possible" :violin

"There's no healthcare private market for people over the age of 65 because of Medicare" :smug


also it must suck being the only woman on the panel and having to sit between Eliot Spitzer and Sideburns
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 30, 2011, 07:10:03 AM
The money quote was when Maher said that even a 90% tax rate wasn't enough to drive Hoover and Kibbe out of the country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
That's why we should end the Bush tax cuts, continue drawing down the wars, and implement the healthcare law on time right? Cuz, you know, that would cut the deficit significantly over 10 years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2011, 05:20:50 PM
SomeDude on GAF is fucking hysterical :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 30, 2011, 09:13:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2011, 01:52:23 PM
That's why we should end the Bush tax cuts, continue drawing down the wars, and implement the healthcare law on time right? Cuz, you know, that would cut the deficit significantly over 10 years.

Supposedly approximately 3650 post offices are going to get shut down.  We should also start shutting down some military bases while we're at it and cancel needless weapon contracts.  We could also axe corn subsidies ($20 billion a year).  We could also reduce or eliminate sentences for non-violent drug offenders in jail or prison ($22,650 is spent a year for a prisoner per the DOJ).  We could get rid of the death penalty ($2.3 million per death row inmate in Texas).  I mean, the savings possibilities are endless!

Oh wait, that is socialest!  We need to spend more on those things and less money on Shaniqua, the welfare queen with five kids.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 30, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
In the debate about the death penalty, you side with states rights over the ability of the state to deprive a human of his or her life?

If there was ever a natural right, it is the right to breathe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2011, 11:30:46 PM
Abc news says a tentative deal is done (http://"http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/07/white-house-republicans-strike-tenative-deal-to-raise-debt-ceiling-.html"), but sam youngman on twitter has reported (http://"http://twitter.com/#!/samyoungman") that dems are disputing it, and given the inaccurate leaks from the past week who the hell knows.

From that link
Quote
  •     Debt ceiling increase of up to $2.8 trillion
  •     Spending cuts of roughly $1 trillion
  •     Vote on the Balanced Budget Amendment
  •     Special committee to recommend cuts of $1.8 trillion (or whatever it takes to add up to the total of the debt ceiling increase)
  •     Committee must make recommendations before Thanksgiving recess
  •     If Congress does not approve those cuts by late December, automatic across-the-board cuts go into effect, including cuts to Defense and Medicare.

So, hostage taking by committee. What's to stop republicans from demanding ridiculous cuts that democrats cannot agree to, thus causing Medicare cuts in December.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 31, 2011, 12:29:05 AM
Easy, they will extend the Bush tax cuts for 3 years in December in exchange for a one year extension of Medicare benefits
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 31, 2011, 12:59:18 AM
what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
Quote from: Greg Sargent
By all accounts, it looks like a deal is about to be announced in which the debt ceiling is hiked in exchange for the promise of major spending cuts, including to entitlements, totaling at least $2.4 trillion.

Anything can happen, but it apppears the GOP is on the verge of pulling off a political victory that may be unprecedented in American history. Republicans may succeed in using the threat of a potential outcome that they themselves acknowledged would lead to national catastrophe as leverage to extract enormous concessions from Democrats, without giving up anything of any significance in return.

Not only that, but Republicans — in perhaps the most remarkable example of political up-is-downism in recent memory — cast their willingness to dangle the threat of national crisis as a brave and heroic effort they’d undertaken on behalf of the national interest. Only the threat of national crisis could force the immediate spending cuts supposedly necessary to prevent a far more epic crisis later.

This is fucking criminal. What the fuck, America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2011, 05:08:38 PM
That whole article is devastating
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/gop-on-verge-of-huge-unprecedented-political-victory/2011/03/03/gIQA3l8WlI_blog.html

This deal is absolutely atrocious. The GOP shouldn't even run a candidate next year, Obama is more than willing to legislate their agenda for them, and take all the blame.

Both sides have said a default cannot and will not happen, and yet here we are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 31, 2011, 07:16:45 PM
.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 31, 2011, 07:33:03 PM
perhaps warren buffett or bill gates will take me into their household. do y'all think i'm squire material?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 31, 2011, 07:36:09 PM
I'm still planning on going to Canadia and sleeping on Boogie's couch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 31, 2011, 07:38:08 PM
How stupid is the average American? So stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2011, 08:20:28 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 31, 2011, 07:36:09 PM
I'm still planning on going to Canadia and sleeping on Boogie's couch.

Hopefully that whole global warming thing speeds up a tad so it'd make the move up there a little easier.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2011, 09:14:38 PM
Instead he continues this bullshit "both sides have come together to save the country, how heroic. When we work together nothing is impossible" shtick. Republicans are actively dismantling the recovery for pure political gain, and the WH is complicit, thinking this nonsense appeals to the mythical independent voter.

Might as well get ready for President Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 31, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
Criminal? Treason? It's politics, gentlemen. The Republicans are doing exactly what their voters expect from them, as distasteful as you might find it.

Obama should still have plenty of leverage - he can threaten killing the Bush tax cuts and the big decisions on what to cut have been delayed, to a time that may well prove more beneficial to the Democrats (as his seemingly-inevitable reelection in 2012 approaches). The question, as ever with Obama, is does he have the balls to use that leverage. At some point a leader has to lead, not just canvass opinions and try to get something for everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 31, 2011, 09:24:55 PM
I like how if the bipartisan debt committee fails to reach a consensus, then it triggers automatic entitlement cuts. Why not automatic tax increases to go with it? Unthinkable? Fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2011, 10:27:50 PM
Obama already balked at getting rid of the Bush tax cuts, why the fuck should anyone believe anything has changed. We'll get another election season with republicans warning about the "largest tax increase in US history" and considering gerrymandering almost guarantees the GOP keeps the house, Obama won't be able to separate the high income tax cuts from the middle class ones. There's no way I buy him vetoing shit.

We're making massive spending cuts during a tepid recovery. This just might further ruin the economy. Obama has constantly shown a willingness to take short term "victories" that result in long term policy failures. Going all the way back to 09 and the stimulus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2011, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 31, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
Criminal? Treason? It's politics, gentlemen. The Republicans are doing exactly what their voters expect from them, as distasteful as you might find it.

This is the first time in our history that a political party has threatened not just national but WORLDWIDE economic destruction if they didn't get their way (which ironically, is supposedly to help IMPROVE the economy).

Even fucking Joseph McCarthy didn't pull shit like this. Criminal/Treason/Terrorism is PRECISELY the way this needs to be described by every half sentient journalist in the media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 31, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
While I certainly don't want to excuse the stupidity of this bill, I will say that the spending cuts aren't going to start anytime soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7375118n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

Holy shit, what the hell is up with Ben Stein? Did he get get fired from his gig as a Fox contributor or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on August 01, 2011, 10:10:52 AM
Quote from: dcharlie on July 31, 2011, 09:09:55 PM
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This is fucking criminal. What the fuck, America.

it's borderline treason.

Seems to be a huge section of the right who are quite happy to let the whole country go down. Obama needs to call them out or this will happen every single time they have this debate. Pull 14th Amendment rights and tell them to go f*ck themselves

Strong actions please - it's time to gather in the idiots and put them firmly in their place. Threatening to impeach? Go for it - then charge them with treason to counter.


This kind of threat, yeah, I think it would have been neat if someone had been caught on tape saying that kind of stuff, then put them on trial for treason.

I'm with you: QUIT COOPERATING.  The republicans have never shown a single instance of being willing to cooperate, so that aspect of game theory means the dems will only ever LOSE if they try it.
Title: Re: Accountability for thee, not for me
Post by: Mandark on August 01, 2011, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 23, 2011, 05:29:24 PM
Considering he claimed full responsibility for them, and refuses to rat out (by most accounts) Rockwell, quite willing to take the blame on himself, not sure what more you'd be looking for.

Please explain what full responsibility in this situation entails.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2011, 06:36:36 PM
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Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) said Monday that Vice President Joe Biden told the House Democratic Caucus that President Barack Obama was, in fact, prepared to use the Constitution to raise the debt limit.

"We heard in there that the president, if this all had failed, was willing to invoke the 14th Amendment," DeFazio said after the meeting ended.

The news runs counter to what the White House, and even Obama himself, had said for weeks: that option has been off the table because it is unclear whether the president has the legal authority to invoke the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling himself.

DeFazio maintained that the 14th Amendment is "the best option now" for raising the debt ceiling. He blasted the debt deal negotiated between the White House and congressional leaders because, he said, it includes no revenues and caters to the Tea Party.

"What's the package about? It's all about cutting, cutting, cutting!" he shouted at reporters. "Tax cuts and reductions in spending are not going to create jobs in this country. We need some investment."

The bottom line, Defazio added, is that Obama should "invoke the 14th Amendment. Don't go forward with this package."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/31/debt-ceiling-deal-reached_n_905841.html?1312161712#502_defazio-biden-said-obama-was-prepared-to-invoke-14th-amendment

There's no guarantee the bill will pass; house is still fighting. So if this shit falls through, do we either get a temp increase or will he invoke the 14th?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on August 01, 2011, 07:32:06 PM
He isn't going to invoke the 14th amendment PD...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2011, 07:45:08 PM
House just passed the bill, bah. Oh well
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 01, 2011, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 31, 2011, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 31, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
Criminal? Treason? It's politics, gentlemen. The Republicans are doing exactly what their voters expect from them, as distasteful as you might find it.

This is the first time in our history that a political party has threatened not just national but WORLDWIDE economic destruction if they didn't get their way (which ironically, is supposedly to help IMPROVE the economy).

Even fucking Joseph McCarthy didn't pull shit like this. Criminal/Treason/Terrorism is PRECISELY the way this needs to be described by every half sentient journalist in the media.

No, Cormac is right.  The GOP won huge last election, and did so running on a platform of lower spending.  That's going to be reflected in the priorities of the legislators, based both on their personal beliefs and what they perceive to be their constituents...

Oops, here I am explaining democracy to someone who isn't registered to vote.  Silly me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 02, 2011, 12:07:18 AM
Do you really believe what you just wrote, Mandark, or did you just want an excuse to make that joke? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2011, 12:17:38 AM
Yep.  The original version of that post went something like "Cormac nailed it and Oblivion needs to shut the fuck up forever" but I was worried about how that might come across.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2011, 12:51:11 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 31, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
Criminal? Treason? It's politics, gentlemen. The Republicans are doing exactly what their voters expect from them, as distasteful as you might find it.

Obama should still have plenty of leverage - he can threaten killing the Bush tax cuts and the big decisions on what to cut have been delayed, to a time that may well prove more beneficial to the Democrats (as his seemingly-inevitable reelection in 2012 approaches). The question, as ever with Obama, is does he have the balls to use that leverage. At some point a leader has to lead, not just canvass opinions and try to get something for everyone.

What fantasy land is this, I must visit. Obama hasn't shown any willingness to get rid of the Bush tax cuts. Nor will he be able to separate the high income bracket from the low income bracket, assuming republicans keep control of the House.

What we'll get is months of the GOP candidate warning of the "largest tax increase in US history" and confidence fairy talk. Nah, Obama has no leverage here. You honestly think he's going to veto the cuts if republicans don't play fair with the super congress? The ads right themselves: "Obama cut defense, Medicare, AND is going to tax the shit out of you on Jan 1st"

He'll cave again, then parade his shitty deal around as some historic moment of bipartisan spirit that proves America can do anything blah blah blah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 02, 2011, 02:16:04 AM
If you read that (A WHOLE TWO LINES! TOUGH I KNOW), you'd see that I don't suggest he is willing or will become willing, PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
I stand by my post: Obama has no leverage on the Bush tax cuts, as you claim.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 02, 2011, 02:38:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
I stand by my post: Obama has no leverage on the Bush tax cuts, as you claim.

Yeah he does. We are agreed that he won't use it, so it seems weird that you be freakin' out
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 02, 2011, 03:41:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 02, 2011, 12:17:38 AM
Yep.  The original version of that post went something like "Cormac nailed it and Oblivion needs to shut the fuck up forever" but I was worried about how that might come across.

Well, if you're gonna be a dick about it, we'll just move right along...



Matt Kibbe of Freedomworks continues getting owned:

http://alphanovus.org/?p=599
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2011, 04:55:54 AM
Last time the Bush cuts came up, the administration got an extension on unemployment benefits, the Making Work Pay credit, some other stuff and then indirectly got DADT repealed and new START ratified.  So it's not like Obama doesn't have leverage or doesn't use that to get things.

But the top rate cuts are probably the highest priority out of everything for the Republican caucus.  In the near future, I don't see them letting those expire as long as the GOP controls either the White House or at least one chamber of Congress.  Split government probably keeps producing temporary extensions where Republicans make more concessions.

Which is distinguished mentally-challenged less than ideal, but it's different from "oh noes gop winz everything cuz of willpower!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 02, 2011, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on August 02, 2011, 02:38:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
I stand by my post: Obama has no leverage on the Bush tax cuts, as you claim.

Yeah he does. We are agreed that he won't use it, so it seems weird that you be freakin' out

Obama is who he is and at this point, we pretty much have seen what his style of leadership is and the results that entail it.  At this point, nothing he does should really surprise anyone.  I guess it is up to people whether they think that his style of leadership is a good thing or bad thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2011, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 02, 2011, 04:55:54 AM
Last time the Bush cuts came up, the administration got an extension on unemployment benefits, the Making Work Pay credit, some other stuff and then indirectly got DADT repealed and new START ratified.  So it's not like Obama doesn't have leverage or doesn't use that to get things.

But the top rate cuts are probably the highest priority out of everything for the Republican caucus.  In the near future, I don't see them letting those expire as long as the GOP controls either the White House or at least one chamber of Congress.  Split government probably keeps producing temporary extensions where Republicans make more concessions.

Which is distinguished mentally-challenged less than ideal, but it's different from "oh noes gop winz everything cuz of willpower!"

Maybe you define "leverage" differently than most people. Getting republicans to do shit they normally do (like extend unemployment benefits) is not leverage. As such, he has no leverage on the Bush tax cuts. The renewal bill will be one full take on the tax cuts, so unless Obama gets a line item veto bill passed between now and Jan 2013 he will have no choice but to either extend all the cuts or veto all the cuts.

He'll renew them all and bemoan Washington not getting serious, while promising to "fight" for a more balanced approach in two more years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2011, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2011, 09:53:45 PM
Getting republicans to do shit they normally do (like extend unemployment benefits) is not leverage.

wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2011, 01:42:36 AM
Congress has historically extended unemployment benefits, and republicans extended them every time Bush asked for an extension. They may have bitched about it, and played politics with the issue during the 08 election, but it got done.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2011, 03:02:36 AM
You believe that a GOP-controlled House would have, on its own, passed an extension of unemployment insurance basically equivalent to the one in the lame duck compromise?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2011, 03:20:19 AM
Yes. They did it multiple times during the Bush administration; I don't consider that a "concession" any more than raising the debt ceiling is a concession. Obama certainly got some concessions in that deal, as you mentioned. And yet ultimately the Bush tax cuts were fully extended, so in reality he has no leverage on them; if republicans had refused the payroll tax cut and MWP credit, do you think Obama would have refused to extend the tax cuts? And in Jan 2013, why would anyone honestly expect anything to be different.

I'm not faulting the guy for not wanting to campaign on raising everyone's taxes. Ultimately he has two choices: extend them for everyone, or veto them for everyone. There is no middle ground or "leverage" there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 03, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2011, 03:20:19 AM
Yes.

Really?  I mean, really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2011, 03:33:13 PM
We going to have Willco-esque word/sentence responses or an actual discussion? Historically republicans have extended unemployment benefits. That's a fact. It's not a leverage piece anymore than paying your mortgage is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 03, 2011, 03:35:13 PM
I'm shocked that repubs would extend unemployment during their reign to make the economy look better under their reign. Yet they fight it when they are not in power. Shocked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2011, 04:25:05 PM
The Republican playbook for when a Democrat is President is fairly obvious by this point- oppose everything the Pres. wants (even if it means flopping after the Pres. flips on an issue) and scream about the end of Freedom, etc etc, all the while making allusions to the President's not being a real President because of getting less than 50% of the vote, being a sekrit muslin soshalist, dodging the draft, etc etc.  For some reason the media lets them get away with it, but if a Democrat ever tries to point out anything remotely similar about a Republican, the same media gets the vapors about how that Democrat/pundit/journalist/whatever is shrill and unserious. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2011, 11:55:52 PM
4k aren't working as I understand it, but fuck those are shitty gubmint jobs and I'm sure Free Market Jebus will provide a solution soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 04, 2011, 01:46:14 AM
Actually, its much much more than 4,000.  4,000 workers under strictly the FAA are affected, but also TEN THOUSAND PLUS are out of jobs as well if you consider construction, electricians, and other mechanical workers that actually work on the state-of-the-art airline innovations that are being threatened here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2011, 02:04:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]y83z552NJaw[/youtube]
*daps*

Dude is an asshole, but this is awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2011, 07:34:05 AM
(http://www.picrandom.com/images/5ugy.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2011, 09:15:34 AM
Happy 50th Barrack Obama

Obama turns 50 despite republican opposition (http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-turns-50-despite-republican-opposition,21061/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 04, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Dow Jones plunges in worst day for stock market since 2008 crisis.

Republicans: "bu-bubububub-bu.....CONFIDENCE!"

good jon, America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 04, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
Who could have known that waiting until the last moment to raise the debt ceiling, and then doing so only in a "compromise" that was loaded with spending cuts during the worst recession since the Great Depression would make the markets tumble like this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 04, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
How about China buys the US, I'd like some of their scientists and educators to influence our government please.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 04, 2011, 06:49:56 PM
Well, the Dow plummeting certainly brings back fond memories.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2011, 02:04:02 AM
[youtube=560,345]y83z552NJaw[/youtube]
*daps*

Dude is an asshole, but this is awesome

Dude deserves some props, but we all know he'll backpedal once El Rushbo hears of his shenanigans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2011, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 04, 2011, 05:00:08 PM
Dow Jones plunges in worst day for stock market since 2008 crisis.

Republicans: "bu-bubububub-bu.....CONFIDENCE!"

good jon, America.

Isn't it more due to the situations in Greece and Italy though?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 05, 2011, 05:12:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2011, 03:33:13 PM
We going to have Willco-esque word/sentence responses or an actual discussion? Historically republicans have extended unemployment benefits. That's a fact. It's not a leverage piece anymore than paying your mortgage is.

I'm just a mite gobsmacked that anyone, much less a liberal political junkie, would actually believe that.  When did we get such a high opinion of Congressional Republicans?

Look, one of the biggest, most clear lessons of the past couple years is that politicians change their policy stances based on the political climate.  The Wyden-Bennett plan had several Republican cosponsors, as did multiple versions of cap-and-trade.  Republicans voted overwhelmingly in favor of an education bill authored primarily by Ted Kennedy, for a large new public health-care obligation with no offsetting cuts or revenues, and for the creation of S-CHIP.

Yeah, the GOP gave two short extensions at the behest of the Bush administration.  But is that solid evidence of a principled, unwavering support by the GOP for "always" boosting unemployment insurance in any and every situation, regardless of politics?  Does that comport with anything that we know about politicians in general or this crop of Republicans in particular?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 05, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
S&P is gonna downgrade us, apparently: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/08/govt-official-us-expecting-sp-downgrade.html

But remember, kids, nothing bad could have possibly happened if we had actually defaulted.  Michelle Bachmann assured me!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 05, 2011, 05:12:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2011, 03:33:13 PM
We going to have Willco-esque word/sentence responses or an actual discussion? Historically republicans have extended unemployment benefits. That's a fact. It's not a leverage piece anymore than paying your mortgage is.

I'm just a mite gobsmacked that anyone, much less a liberal political junkie, would actually believe that.  When did we get such a high opinion of Congressional Republicans?

Look, one of the biggest, most clear lessons of the past couple years is that politicians change their policy stances based on the political climate.  The Wyden-Bennett plan had several Republican cosponsors, as did multiple versions of cap-and-trade.  Republicans voted overwhelmingly in favor of an education bill authored primarily by Ted Kennedy, for a large new public health-care obligation with no offsetting cuts or revenues, and for the creation of S-CHIP.

Yeah, the GOP gave two short extensions at the behest of the Bush administration.  But is that solid evidence of a principled, unwavering support by the GOP for "always" boosting unemployment insurance in any and every situation, regardless of politics?  Does that comport with anything that we know about politicians in general or this crop of Republicans in particular?

I agree with your general point. My argument is that unemployment benefits are ideologically liberal policy that have generally been applied by congress regardless of whether republicans or democrats control things. So I was saying during negotiation, Obama was compromising in order to get an extension of something that is usually raised with no concessions or negotiations in the first place - which is factually correct.

It's the same with the debt limit, which both parties raise regardless of one side's (alleged) reservations about debt/spending. And yet we have a shitty deal that will hurt the economy and cost jobs. I maintain that Obama should have walked away in the final days and dared the GOP to default the country; it was simply not going to happen regardless of the idiotic freshmen. They wouldn't - and even if they did constitutional scholars have argued it would be within the president's power; Balkin argued the president had already started the process in the final week of July.

With respect to your last comment, how do you compare this current crop of tea partiers to Newt's Contract With America group? The tea party is probably crazier and seems to have more control over things. Boehner seems more level headed than Gingrich though, at least to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2011, 08:33:41 PM
S&P has downgraded us to AA+
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2011, 08:38:41 PM
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This came after a confusing day of reports: Standard & Poor's told the U.S. government Friday afternoon that it was preparing to downgrade the U.S.'s triple-A credit rating but U.S. officials notified the S&P that they had made a mathematical error that was off by "trillions," an administration source told CNBC.

Allegedly the error was in the calculation of the U.S. debt-to-GDP ratio over time and was based on a misreading of what the correct congressional baseline was.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/44039103

Sounds like a misunderstanding, but we'll know for sure soon

edit: they're acknowledging the error and still downgrading us. lol. Dems are fucked next year
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 05, 2011, 08:52:50 PM
The polling data i read yesterday,by gallup i rhink, indicated that most americans blamed republicans for all this shit than obama. We will see who pays for this in next years elections. In the mean time we will all pay for it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 05, 2011, 10:17:43 PM
PD has been doom and gloom since the beginning of Obama's presidency.  Hell, he was all doom and gloom when Clinton lost the primary.  Bububu my Hilary  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 05, 2011, 10:27:44 PM
How much can you really blame Obama? I'm not sure of what fiscal policy Obama's administration could of implemented to 'save' the US and the world. This was a monetary problem wasn't it? Great Depression 2.0 here we come.  I fully expect a World War in the next few years. Who expected Generation Y would become the next 'Silent Generation'?

Yeah I know  :derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 05, 2011, 11:17:54 PM
They could have passed a much larger stimulus package, with way more spending than tax cuts.  Shocking idea, I know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2011, 11:23:33 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 05, 2011, 11:17:54 PM
They could have passed a much larger stimulus package, with way more spending than tax cuts.  Shocking idea, I know.

Then there's the whole "get super majority in senate, control house...do nothing" thing. And the energy bill falling to shit; it could have helped get the country's foot in the door of green jobs.

I realize republicans have been obstructing shit but Obama's to blame for a lot of this farce as well. Might as well get used to the idea of having a Mormon as president breh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 05, 2011, 11:29:17 PM
It would of made a lot of people's lives better but it would of made the financial markets worse (generalizing). And we know the economy is second only after defense in terms of importance to both parties .

Obama is a total Carcetti.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2011, 11:39:39 PM
The biggest mistake was assuming that Obama is our progressive bro in arms.  Most people, myself included, often just ignored the downsides that we heard from time to time because the country was going into the shitter, assuming that we'd see some changes that at least returned us to pre-Bush II era style government or God willing, pre-Reagan era style government.  Combine that with generous public support for serious reform and generous public support against the financial institutions that shat the bed, I think we all expected a hell of a lot better.  Although I think these days, only the most cognitively dissonant cult set members at this point still think Obama is the bestest thing since sliced bread.  I think most of his former base got tired of him shitting on them (us) or at least apathetic or ambivalent to his style of leadership.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 05, 2011, 11:45:09 PM
Well the next FDR will come through!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2011, 11:55:35 PM
Should have voted for Hillary *wrings hands*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2011, 12:21:22 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 05, 2011, 11:45:09 PM
Well the next FDR will come through!

That would require a voting public that couldn't be manipulated by greedy assholes.  Good luck finding such a voting public.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 06, 2011, 12:47:08 AM
They voted for a black Democrat president- it'll happen. They'll vote for a harsh daddy Republican and then come back into mommy Democrats arms for a cuddle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 06, 2011, 02:20:32 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 05, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
S&P is gonna downgrade us, apparently: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/08/govt-official-us-expecting-sp-downgrade.html

But remember, kids, nothing bad could have possibly happened if we had actually defaulted.  Michelle Bachmann assured me!

Hannity was actually making that argument the other day.

"See, the demoncrats said that if we didn't default then nothing bad would happen. Well, lookie what happened here! So we shoulda went ahead and defaulted!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2011, 02:46:22 AM
PD:  First, you could just as easily say "A GOP-controlled House had never extended unemployment insurance with a Democrat in the White House" and still be factually correct.  Or "Republicans had never extended unemployment for more than 26 weeks".

If, at this point in the game, Obama started calling Republican "bluffs" because he thought Republicans would treat the legislative process the same with him in office as they did with Bush, it would be a huge, dumb, unconscionable disaster.  That was basically the biggest blunder during the stimulus bill (assuming Congress would pad it with extra pork, rather than start wringing its hands over the deficit).

It's one thing to point out how Republicans are acting hypocritical or ignoring the old rules as a rhetorical tactic.  It's another thing to expect this to either shame them into responsible behavior or to reveal their secret, reasonable, generous selves.

Basically, we're yelling "Hey, that's not how things are meant to work!  That's not how it's always been done!" and then they're shrugging their shoulders.  Norms change, or rather people change norms.  You wind up facing the first federal government shutdown, the first impeachment since Reconstruction (about a blowjob!), the complete reinvention of the filibuster, and the whole array of tactics deployed by Tom Delay.

This Congress is not and was not going to spend billions of dollars trying to ease the pain of the jobless without extracting some concessions on behalf of wealthy folks and/or rightwing ideologues, regardless of whether or not another Congress did so for another president.



PS  I'm like the old dude yelling at kids that they don't understand why Kobe and LeBron aren't even close to being MJ.  The '94 freshmen class is totally underrated, because we're exposed to the current craziness every day.  Well lemme tell you kids, back in my day they shut down the government and impeached the fucking president.  Over a fucking blowjob!  Half their supporters thought Clinton was a literal murderer!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2011, 03:00:12 AM
And really, the big lesson for me in this debt ceiling thing has been DON'T CREATE A "SYMBOLIC" VOTE WITH ACTUAL LEGISLATIVE POWER.

For fuck's sake, there's no upside in it except for a little political theater, which is doubly stupid because 95% of people won't be aware of it and the 5% who are will all know it's kabuki.  Then the downside is that if enough crazy people get elected, they'll either hold it hostage or flat out vote the wrong way and screw everything up, and as time goes towards infinity the odds of this happening approach 1.

Watch me wind up writing the same rant years from now about the regular temporary fixes to the AMT and Medicare doctor compensation.  This country, lemme tell ya.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
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Republican presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty, former Minnesota governor, said the downgrade is "a reflection of the failed leadership of President Obama. He really is inept when it comes to the economy. He's had over three years of being president. Barack Obama has had his chance and it's not working."

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Former Senator Rick Santorum, R-Penn., also a candidate, noted the downgrade "happened on the president's watch."

"The markets are scared and the credit downgrade has happened because the president and this Congress continue to address the symptoms and not the disease," Santorum said.

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Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, blamed "the old crowd of elites" for offering "fake" budget cuts and tricks instead of taking "bold actions to reduce out-of-control government spending, and get the federal government out of the way of small business and entrepreneurs so that they can start hiring again."

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"Republicans have listened to the voices of the American people and worked to bring the spending binge to a halt," Boehner said. "We are no longer debating how much to spend, but rather how much to cut. Unfortunately, decades of reckless spending cannot be reversed immediately, especially when the Democrats who run Washington remain unwilling to make the tough choices required to put America on solid ground."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44043408/ns/politics/

Looks like the GOP got exactly what it wanted out of this "deal".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 06, 2011, 03:24:51 PM
That's what I said!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2011, 04:35:52 PM
I actually agree with an support a JayDubya post  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2011, 04:44:25 PM
Mandark: While it is true UE benefits have never been extended by a GOP house during a democratic president's term, there are only two examples of there being a democrat president and republican house since 1960; we've only had five democrat presidents since 1960, whereas democrats controlled the House until the early 90s. I've found about 30 cases of unemployment benefits being extended since 1958; 19 were done during republican presidencies.
http://www.workforceatm.org/sections/pdf/2011/ExtendingUnemploymentCompensationBenefitsDuringRecessions.pdf

I think it's fair and accurate to say extending UE benefits during recessions or periods of (relatively) high unemployment has not been a truly partisan issue until late 2010. My initial argument about this was based on the idea that Obama has been forced to compromise/negotiate in order to get things passed that are normally passed without a fight. Even in that bill, democrats could have technically extended UE benefits without any republican help, and then dealt with the Bush tax cuts in a separate bill/compromise.


Finally on the 1994 House: I was just asking your thoughts, not saying the tea party is worse. I was too busy watching cartoons to care about the climate of political discourse in the 90s, but looking back I think it's fair to say things were probably worse; Obama has yet to be accused of murder or rape by an elected official. And right wing violence was more prominent than it is now. But legislatively, Clinton managed to get a few things done by working with republicans, whereas Obama has yet to get much of anything done with this House outside of this shitty deal and defense authorizations. And not for lack of trying, or liberal proposals. He's offered a host of things they typically support (payroll tax relief for employers) to no avail.

edit: I meant it has not been a truly partisan issue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 06, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
Actually s&p specifically called out those in government who thought a default would be a useful political tool as making america more risky than they were 6 months ago, despite the debt burden being no worse than 6 months ago
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2011, 10:17:50 PM
Basically, at this point I'm now starting to think Obama won't win reelection.  Mostly because, let's be honest here, he's kind of a pussy.  America likes dick leaders, and he's constantly trying to bring people together and blah blah blah.  After 2008, he should have publicly eaten the entrails of the Republican party.  That's something your average American can respect, not this "compromising with the other side" bullshit.  He kind of deserves to lose, really, and America deserves a President Bachmann, which is who I'll be voting for in the NC primaries, I can assure you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 06, 2011, 10:24:50 PM
They like white dick leaders not uppity negro leaders.
Reminds me of this article http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/#more-28405
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2011, 10:25:37 PM
Obama ran on exactly what he's doing.  ???  Being bipartiasan.  People voted for him because of that.  He just didn't expect the Republicans to go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 06, 2011, 10:30:20 PM
People expected him to change once he got in  :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
The left are as bad as the right when it comes to political victory.  If there was any semblance of logic and competence in the Republican party, Obama could be achieving most of the change that he campaigned on.  A lot of the failures of his administration are because of his willingness to concede, but that was something that everybody should've expected anyway, considering he campaigned to be bipartisan.  His viewpoint is refreshing.  The Republicans blind whining is not.

And PD will respond to this with some terrible doom and gloom post about how he's the most disappointing president ever (fuck off that that shit), even though he's done exactly what he's campaigned on and can't get any help from pussy-ass congressional democrats and childish republicans.  The people like him, but they hate that he can't do anything.  That's not completely his fault.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2011, 11:02:06 PM
He IS kinda fucked, tho.  If he gets too forceful he becomes The Uppity Negro President, of course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2011, 11:07:51 PM
I still say he's fine, but it'll be a tight election.  I haven't met a single republican who actually believes in the riffraff they have available to run for president in 2012.  Even the hardiest-core repubs I know, Sarah Palin supporters, don't like the current pool.  Maybe they'll still vote for them, but whenever I press the issue, they shrugs their shoulders and said they probably won't vote at all.  This is younger to mid 40s repubs that I know

Besides, there is still a full year before the election.  Plenty of things can happen, and Obama has a bit to work on.  Osama, health care, DADT, the stimulus, and using the repubs as a scapegoat.  Most independents will buy it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2011, 11:23:55 PM
That's the problem BrandKnew: most independants can't buy anything because they're in debt or can't find jobs. So when a sensible white man with great hair comes along and tells them we can fix the country if we just stop spending, cut taxes, and present a strong national defense they're going to fall all over him like their fathers and their fathers once did. It won't even matter that his religion used to say black people were evil and man could have as many wives as he pleased.

Mitt Romney is your next president, ladies and gentlemen. Obama can go back to the academic world where his limp wrist compromisin' is effective.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 06, 2011, 11:32:02 PM
I really doubt that PD. Obama will win only so that Republicans can blame him for everything out of spite. It's a poisoned chalice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2011, 11:45:24 PM
lol at Mitt Romney even getting past three primary states  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2011, 11:46:44 PM
Fuck, I was feeling pretty good about my "Obama is gonna lose" ideas but then PD had to go and say that, and well we all know how often Maurice is right about anything...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2011, 11:50:46 PM
PD is a pretty great concern troll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2011, 01:20:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2011, 04:44:25 PM
Mandark: While it is true UE benefits have never been extended by a GOP house during a democratic president's term, there are only two examples of there being a democrat president and republican house since 1960; we've only had five democrat presidents since 1960, whereas democrats controlled the House until the early 90s.

And that's exactly what I was getting at: when you're working from a tiny sample size of relevant historical cases, it's possible to identify a ton of patterns that are 1) factually true in a narrow sense, 2) wildly contradictory, and 3) not meaningful in predicting the future.

The only reason unemployment benefits seem to have become a partisan issue is that this is the first time since the GOP became an ideologically cohesive party (somewhere between 1980 an 1994, I guess) that we've had the trifecta of Republican Congress, Democratic president, and bad employment situation.

This could just as easily have happened if there had been a mid-90's recession or if Gore had won in 2000 and been stuck with the slump of the early 00's and a Delay-Hastert House.

But to get back to where we started, leverage is getting someone to do something they wouldn't have done otherwise.  That's what happened, and I think you're pretty much agreeing with that at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 07, 2011, 04:24:19 PM
This editorial is pretty fantastic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/opinion/sunday/what-happened-to-obamas-passion.html?_r=4&pagewanted=all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 07, 2011, 08:05:28 PM
alert fox news

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html?page=1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2011, 09:10:39 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 07, 2011, 01:20:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2011, 04:44:25 PM
Mandark: While it is true UE benefits have never been extended by a GOP house during a democratic president's term, there are only two examples of there being a democrat president and republican house since 1960; we've only had five democrat presidents since 1960, whereas democrats controlled the House until the early 90s.

And that's exactly what I was getting at: when you're working from a tiny sample size of relevant historical cases, it's possible to identify a ton of patterns that are 1) factually true in a narrow sense, 2) wildly contradictory, and 3) not meaningful in predicting the future.

The only reason unemployment benefits seem to have become a partisan issue is that this is the first time since the GOP became an ideologically cohesive party (somewhere between 1980 an 1994, I guess) that we've had the trifecta of Republican Congress, Democratic president, and bad employment situation.

This could just as easily have happened if there had been a mid-90's recession or if Gore had won in 2000 and been stuck with the slump of the early 00's and a Delay-Hastert House.

But to get back to where we started, leverage is getting someone to do something they wouldn't have done otherwise.  That's what happened, and I think you're pretty much agreeing with that at this point.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree - unemployment benefits would have been extended, as they are historically; 2010 is even more unique when you consider the Bush tax cuts situation/ticking time bomb. Unfortunately we won't have another example of this happening until 2013, and who knows what Washington will look like then. But I tend to think it'll either be UE benefits being extended by Obama again, or Romney or whoever - it's going to happen. And
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 07, 2011, 09:44:45 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 07, 2011, 08:05:28 PM
alert fox news

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html?page=1

holy lol
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"It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people," said Norb Roffers
[...]
Eric, a war veteran, said that the scene he saw Thursday outside State Fair compares to what he saw in combat.
"That rated right up there with it. 
[...]
Eric: "I feared for my life"
[...]
Woman: Teenagers in mob didn't attend rap concert
[...]
"The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert," said the woman.

this article is like 5 pages long and they dont interview a single black person, only stupid honkies screaming about a crazed horde and their terror as they fled for their lives.  fucking hilarious racist shit

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 07, 2011, 09:46:46 PM
BONUS:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu_LK_iEFE8&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2011, 01:41:47 AM
It's funny because it's truuuuueeeeee

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/08/07/sunday-review/0807-SRW-Comics/0807-SRW-Comics-custom1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 08, 2011, 01:58:49 AM
'Reagan proved deficits don't matter'

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2011, 04:31:04 AM
Economics of Contempt drops a bomb (http://economicsofcontempt.blogspot.com/2011/08/on-s-downgrades-and-idiots.html) on S&P:

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On S&P, Downgrades, and Idiots
Posted by Economics of Contempt at 1:36 AM

This is not going to be one of those posts (http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/08/06/the-credibility-and-integrity-of-sp%E2%80%99s-ratings-action/) that laments S&P’s decision to downgrade the US, but then says (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/standard-and-poors-has-been-wrong-before-but-theyre-right-now/2011/07/11/gIQANpnIyI_blog.html) that S&P was probably right about our oh-so-dysfunctional political system.

No, S&P was flat-out wrong — no caveats. They are, to put it very bluntly, idiots, and they deserve every bit of opprobrium coming their way. They were embarrassingly wrong (http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/Just-the-Facts-SPs-2-Trillion-Mistake.aspx) on the basic budget numbers, as everyone knows now, so they were forced to remove that section from their report, and change their rationale for the downgrade. (Always a sign that you’re dealing with hacks.)

S&P’s rationale for the downgrade (http://www.standardandpoors.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobheadername3=MDT-Type&blobcol=urldata&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3DUS_Downgraded_AA%2B.pdf&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobheadername1=content-type&blobwhere=1243942957443&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8) now is based entirely on their subjective political judgement — and their political judgement is wrong. The brilliant political minds over at S&P said that “the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges.”

That sounds like a Very Serious and Sober assessment, but it’s really not. It’s true that the debt limit debate was ridiculous, and that a large contingent of Tea Party freshmen in the House were threatening to not raise the debt ceiling. But here’s the thing: we still raised the debt ceiling, and in such a way that this Congress won’t have the opportunity to use the debt ceiling as a political bargaining chip again.

S&P’s assessment is only remotely serious if you assume that this particular Congress, with its huge contingent of crazy Tea Partiers, is going to serve in perpetuity. But this Congress isn’t going to serve in perpetuity — there are elections next year, and many of the Tea Party freshmen are likely to lose. They won in 2010 because it was a “wave election” in the middle of a very severe economic slump. But 2012 is a presidential election cycle with an incumbent Democratic president. A lot of these Tea Partiers who won in traditionally Democratic districts (and swing districts) are going to lose. In fact, it’s probably even odds that the Dems take back the House.

The simple fact is that the Tea Partiers are almost certainly at the height of their power in this Congress. And no, the debt ceiling debate doesn’t reflect some sort of secular change in US policymaking — the next time there’s a Republican president, House Republicans will be all about raising the debt ceiling, and Democrats won’t engage in the same kind of political brinksmanship. You’d have to be stunningly naïve not to believe this.

There have also been plenty of political de-escalations over the years — Republicans didn’t shut down the government every year after 1995, for instance. After Tom DeLay won the Medicare Part D vote by holding the vote open for 3 hours, everyone claimed that this would be the new normal on all controversial votes. Didn’t happen. There are plenty of one-off political confrontations. Simply assuming that every political confrontation represents a secular change in US politics and policymaking is ridiculous.

(S&P tries to side-step this obvious weakness in their so-called “argument” by claiming that by the time the 2012 elections roll around, it will be too late. Please. The idea that we have to act in the next 18 months in order to meaningfully affect our long-term solvency is patently absurd.)

Look, I know these S&P guys. Not these particular guys — I don’t know John Chambers or David Beers personally. But I know the rating agencies intimately. Back when I was an in-house lawyer for an investment bank, I had extensive interactions with all three rating agencies. We needed to get a lot of deals rated, and I was almost always involved in that process in the deals I worked on. To say that S&P analysts aren’t the sharpest tools in the drawer is a massive understatement.

Naturally, before meeting with a rating agency, we would plan out our arguments — you want to make sure you’re making your strongest arguments, that everyone is on the same page about the deal’s positive attributes, etc. With S&P, it got to the point where we were constantly saying, “that’s a good point, but is S&P smart enough to understand that argument?” I kid you not, that was a hard-constraint in our game-plan. With Moody’s and Fitch, we at least were able to assume that the analysts on our deals would have a minimum level of financial competence.

I’ve seen S&P make far more basic mistakes than the one they made in miscalculating the US’s debt-to-GDP ratio. I’ve seen an S&P managing director who didn’t know the order of operations, and when we pointed it out to him, stopped taking our calls. Despite impressive-sounding titles, these guys personify “amateur hour.” (And my opinion of S&P isn’t just based on a few deals; it’s based on countless deals, meetings, and phone calls over 20 years. It’s also the opinion of practically everyone else who deals with the rating agencies on a semi-regular basis.)

Treasury has every right to be outraged. S&P mangled the economic argument so badly that they had to abandon it entirely, and then fell back on a political argument which they are in no position to make, and which isn’t even correct.

So to S&P, I say: you should be ashamed of yourselves, and I truly hope this is your downfall.


PD:
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No shame in overreaching now and again; we all do it.  The important thing is to learn not to pull a Palin and dig your heels in.  :)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2011, 09:41:27 AM
Personally, I think the Fed should take S&P to the woodshed for a 'stern talking to'. And only the Fed should return from the woodshed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2011, 02:37:52 PM
Piece on Bachman in the New Yorker.
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Bachmann’s comment about slavery was not a gaffe. It is, as she would say, a world view. In “Christianity and the Constitution,” the book she worked on with [John] Eidsmoe, her law school mentor, he argues that John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and John Adams “expressed their abhorrence for the institution” and explains that “many Christians opposed slavery even though they owned slaves.” They didn’t free their slaves, he writes, because of their benevolence. “It might be very difficult for a freed slave to make a living in that economy; under such circumstances setting slaves free was both inhumane and irresponsible.”
http://www.frumforum.com/inside-bachmanns-brain

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2011, 03:03:47 PM
There may be some small kernel of truth in that, but it's only ever going to come across as trying to whitewash [lol] an incredibly sensitive issue that led to a huge segment of population being mistreated, marginalized, and abused for centuries, even after it officially ended. It also comes across as being very stupid.

Slavery was bad. It was a horrible practice and it never should have happened. Period.

I don't understand why it somehow needs to be warped into something less severe by jumping through hoops and bending over backwards, but there's a lot of things I don't understand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2011, 03:21:20 PM
Isn't it funny how the founding fathers came to America to escape religious prosecution, yet these theocrats in the gop are trying to instill it here?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 08, 2011, 03:40:22 PM
Weren't they deists?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2011, 03:42:22 PM
"He may have inherited a big mess... but he also inherited a AAA credit rating."

#stupidfacebookstatuses
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 08, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
:facepalm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 08, 2011, 06:28:34 PM
There's a guy I've known since kindergarten. We played baseball together for years and his parents are still really close with my parents. He's a great guy, but he's abso-fucking-lutely nuts when it comes to politics. I eagerly await reading his daily Obama is evil post on Facebook concerning today's developments and then deleting it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 08, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2011, 03:03:47 PM
There may be some small kernel of truth in that,

actually i think there's pretty much dick-all truth to that; christianity was frequently used to support the institution, and only the most radical citizens were fully opposed to slavery

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I don't understand why it somehow needs to be warped into something less severe by jumping through hoops and bending over backwards, but there's a lot of things I don't understand.

take a blind devotion to christianity and combine that with a belief that america is perfect and any criticism is equal to treason (unless yr criticizing a democrat, natch) and you get dumb shit like the above
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2011, 07:33:57 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on August 08, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2011, 03:03:47 PM
There may be some small kernel of truth in that,

actually i think there's pretty much dick-all truth to that; christianity was frequently used to support the institution, and only the most radical citizens were fully opposed to slavery

I wasn't intending that to mean that I thought there was some truth to it, but more as "Even if there was a small bit of truth in there".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on July 30, 2011, 08:48:04 AM
I feel quite confident our credit rating is fucked and we'll be wasting even more money on the interest on our debt.

...

Well-deserved it will be, unfortunately, and well past time.  There is no rational reason to have faith in this federal government's ability to pay the debt when it makes no effort to do so.

Herp fuckin' derp.

A credit rating is not meant to answer the question "will they ever be completely debt-free?" but "will I get my money back if I lend it to them?"  Considering the US has never welched on a single cent, and both parties emphasized that bondholders would get paid even if a deal fell through, I'd say that the government's been making every effort to pay back its creditors.

TMonday after this report, what happens?  There's a stampede by people to buy US Treasury bonds.  Funny that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
And the dollar strengthened today hm. Banks are in a better position now than 08 so there doesn't seem like we'll crash over this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 08, 2011, 09:00:01 PM
Time to buy some treasury bonds in light of this credit downgrade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 08, 2011, 09:14:03 PM
Mandark, you were around then. Is it worse now or in the 70s?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2011, 02:01:53 AM
At this rate, I'm gonna have to pick something else to major in when I go back to school.  Majoring in economics when there's no economy left will be almost as bad as when I was originally a History major.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 09, 2011, 02:08:45 AM
You could be the next Marx! Sure you'll die penniless but you'll be remembered in history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2011, 02:16:14 AM
Why major in economics? At least go for accounting or finance so you'll make some money when you graduate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 09, 2011, 02:21:46 AM
This is the thing. Do economics, become a professor, have sex with students.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 09, 2011, 02:22:26 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 09, 2011, 02:01:53 AM
At this rate, I'm gonna have to pick something else to major in when I go back to school.  Majoring in economics when there's no economy left will be almost as bad as when I was originally a History major.

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2011, 02:34:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2011, 02:16:14 AM
Why major in economics? At least go for accounting or finance so you'll make some money when you graduate

Money isn't important to me.  I'm probably going to double major in Spanish as well and then go to work for my friend's company that does lobbying work for Latino issues, honestly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2011, 10:53:49 AM
DOW: 11,045.41 +235.56 (2.18%)

US= :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
Interesting article on Perry, from a Texan's perspective
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2011-08-01/btl.php

Pretty good, outside of the stretch about his aides gaining any worthwhile experience running Gingrich's failure of a campaign. Dude sounds like the perfect candidate for tea party acolytes and big business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 10, 2011, 01:00:12 AM
What's going on in Wisconsin? Did those fucks get recalled?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/127435173.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2011, 01:03:57 AM
Looks like an epic fail for democrats. Two seats picked up, needed three to flip the senate. And two dems seats are up for recall next week, meaning dems could potentially lose both and wind up in the same position they were in before the elections

Republicans came out in force.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 10, 2011, 01:11:05 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 09, 2011, 02:34:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2011, 02:16:14 AM
Why major in economics? At least go for accounting or finance so you'll make some money when you graduate

Money isn't important to me.  I'm probably going to double major in Spanish as well and then go to work for my friend's company that does lobbying work for Latino issues, honestly.

I respect this. And you know how hard it is for me to say anything nice about a Braves fan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 10, 2011, 03:30:04 AM
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/cantcausewarming.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2011, 09:59:06 AM
I'd really like to see fox news' take on dinosaurs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
Republican picks for super congress
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/gop-leaders-pick-conservative-members-to-serve-on-deficit-super-committee.php?ref=fpa

One tea partier, but all six have signed the Norquist "no tax" pledge. Say hi to more hostage taking, this time over the triggers in this shitty deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2011, 05:55:13 PM
Quote from: dcharlie on August 10, 2011, 05:47:02 PM
Quote
We'll have to wait and see whether any of these members are willing to budge on taxes, or whether they're hell-bent on giving Democrats a choice between caving and triggering a $1.2 trillion penalty of steep cuts to defense and Medicare providers

hold on, are you fucking serious? there's a clause that says if taxes go up then there is a -penalty- gutting of social services? How fucking abhorant is that?


No, no, the clause is that social services [and other things] get gutted if no deal is reached in the Super Committee. The article says this could happen if the Democrats demand tax increase but the GOP digs in its heels [which is likely].
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 10, 2011, 06:58:41 PM
Of all the excuses I've seen so far for why Obama governs the way he does, this one is probably the closest to reality:

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2011/08/08/a-simple-theory-of-why-didnt-obama-come-out-fighting-in-2009/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2011, 07:02:33 PM
So basically: Larry Summers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2011, 11:35:05 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 10, 2011, 06:58:41 PM
Of all the excuses I've seen so far for why Obama governs the way he does, this one is probably the closest to reality:

http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2011/08/08/a-simple-theory-of-why-didnt-obama-come-out-fighting-in-2009/

The thing is, tho, that the Republicans were NEVER going to give him that many votes in the Senate.  DURING HIS INAUGURATION, the GOP started to get their marching orders when Limbaugh came out and said "I hope he fails."  They were always going to knee jerk oppose everything he supported or proposed, and you can clearly see that's what happened- even if Obama flip-flopped on an issue, the Republicans would just think up a new excuse or scream about socialism and spending and blah blah blah and oppose it.  They're really good at that sort of thing.

I think that Obama honestly believed he could be that sort of above partisanship, bring people together, kumbaya type figure.  And yes, I kind of buy the "surely the economy will bounce back in 3-4 years" theory, but knowing what I know about the serious systemic failures of the US crony hyper capitalism system, that was stupid on his part.  Mainly, though, I don't think Obama has seriously ever gone on the offensive against anyone because he would immediately become The Uppity Negro President, which probably 1/4 of the country thinks he is anyway and another 1/4 is just looking for an excuse to think that way, even if it's subconsciously.

And he still may win reelection after all that bullshit.  Who knows.
Title: On librul dolchstoss
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2011, 12:10:07 AM
That Westen "Obama should be more like FDR" article has gotten completely taken apart in the last few days.  I wish Eric Rauchway was still blogging so he could get in on it.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 10, 2011, 11:35:05 PM
I think that Obama honestly believed he could be that sort of above partisanship, bring people together, kumbaya type figure.

Thing is, Obama has said plenty of harsh stuff about both financiers and Republicans, and has achieved most of his domestic agenda through a much more partisan strategy than, say, George W Bush.  There's no reason to think that Obama had any delusions of being a particularly transcendent figure if we go by his actions.

I don't think his approach needs "excuses" so much as I think he's a mainstream Democrat a relatively effective politician.  Rather, Obama has become an excuse for economic liberalism.  Blaming him is comforting, because we can still act like liberals have all the winning cards and all we need is a single person "with balls" to take advantage of it.

It's a lot more troubling to think that the country's political makeup and institutions means that liberals are in the minority and might never really win the way we want, but it's probably more useful to face up to the facts and get back to rolling that boulder up the hill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2011, 01:00:56 AM
Obama might say harsh things (very occasionally, and usually probably just to toss the base a bone) but it's pretty undeniable that he's been very amenable to Wall St.  While the Westen article's very premise (that we need a "story" from a daddy figure POTUS) is vomit inducing, one thing that I can't agree enough with is that Obama should have made kicking Wall Street's ass a priority- it would have made political and economic sense to bring those fuckers to heel.  Instead he handed the economy over to Summers and Geithner.

You're probably right about his track record being the best we could probably hope for, but honestly that doesn't make me feel any better about things.  People are fucking stupid... for fucks sakes, a half-bright Republican Texas Governor is probably about to become the odds on favorite to win the GOP nomination and maybe even become President.  It's like we REALLY didn't learn anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2011, 01:31:55 AM
Obama had quite the mandate to walk into the White House and address the mass looting Wall Street did, as well as the housing market crisis. He failed on both counts and it has marred his presidency, and the economy.

Obama rarely attacks republicans or Wall Street. The last time he truly tore into anyone was when he took it to Paul Ryan (with him in the audience during the speech, no less). Outside of that it's just been the same "come on guys" rhetoric. I'm not asking him to throw us red meat, and I think he draws lines well enough when he has to. He's simply not the type of politician who tears into opponents, at least not anymore; dude was kind of ruthless on the come up in Chicago. I'm fine with that. I just wish he would make his positions clear instead of constantly letting republicans drive the narrative.

And I'd argue Obama's actions are geared towards achieving "big things" regardless of poor policy, with short term politics constantly in mind. He's still talking up the 4T Grand Bargain. That type of deal would no doubt impress S&P, but it doesn't help anyone but Obama with mythic independents. That's all it is. Cutting billiosn/trillions during a recession makes absolutely no sense, nor do the various entitlement cuts and changes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 11, 2011, 02:20:50 AM
Maybe he'll change thing when/if he gets reelected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2011, 07:47:20 PM
Is there anything that sums up the tea bagger movement better than this:

Quote
Tea Party aligned Georgia Rep. Tom Graves (R), who castigates Washington for fiscal irresponsibility, reached an out of court settlement Wednesday after he was sued for defaulting on a $2.2 million loan—which his attorney argued is the bank's fault for lending him the money in the first place.

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/08/11/1005930/-Tea-party-Rep-Tom-Graves-denies-responsibility-for-defaulting-on-$22-million-loan?via=blog_1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 11, 2011, 11:40:24 PM
When you are white, it's the bank's fault.

When you are black, it's your fault you dirty poor. You over extended your means. Thanks for ruining it for everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2011, 01:14:52 AM
Anyone watch the GOP debate?

-Gingrich gave Chris Wallace a smackdown over "gotcha" questions

-Michelle Bachmann is truly insane. Nearly every relevant candidate, even Ron Paul, accused her of being ridiculous over a string of weird, constantly repeated attacks she hurled at them.

-It was perhaps the worst debate I've seen. Candidates weren't going over their time with answers, but the moderation asked a series of horrible questions and didn't let anyone differentiate themselves from the typical "cut taxes hurrr" shit.

-Ron Paul continued to school the candidates and audience on a wide variety of foreign policy, including Santorum's ridiculous claim Iran started the aggression with us in 1979 lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 12, 2011, 02:44:15 AM
Yeah and I agree with you mostly.  Gingrich and Paul were the clear winners.  Both had a good night.  I thought Gingrich was done, but if he can continue performing like that, he might just turn it around like McCain.  Pawlenty was sacrificed tonight IMO and he should bow out now.  Hahaha @ Santorum, he was given a historical smackdown and when Paul gave him the finger of shame or was that the finger of silence "let me finish", it made me chuckle.  And it would be nice for once to have a question asked with each candidate given around two minutes to answer and differentiate themselves on that particular issue.

So is anyone going to take Pawlenty up on his dinner offer?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 12, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
I like how republican caniddates can now draw applause by demanding that we bring our troops home
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2011, 03:09:08 PM
Ratigan's the smartest and most infuriating pundit on cable news.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2011, 03:20:35 PM
So, the 11th circuit court of appeals has ruled that the individual mandate in the ACA is illegal, which is at odds w/ the 6th circuit court of appeals.  This pretty much guarantees that the issue goes to the SC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 12, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
(ne'er mind)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2011, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 12, 2011, 03:20:35 PM
So, the 11th circuit court of appeals has ruled that the individual mandate in the ACA is illegal, which is at odds w/ the 6th circuit court of appeals.  This pretty much guarantees that the issue goes to the SC.

It was a three judge panel, not the entire court. So most likely the full 11th will rule on it soon, before the SC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 13, 2011, 02:46:07 PM
Looks like Perry is officially in the race. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 13, 2011, 07:11:41 PM
Per CNN

Bachmann wins Iowa straw poll, Paul in second, and Romney got hammered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 13, 2011, 07:50:15 PM
Huahuahuahuahuahuahuahua
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 13, 2011, 08:02:29 PM
Good lord, its beautiful
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 13, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on August 13, 2011, 02:46:07 PM
Looks like Perry is officially in the race. 

I'd like to think that America has learned it's lesson re: electing half-bright Governors from Texas, but I'm sure we haven't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
Perry seems like the best of both worlds: tea party appeal and corporate backing. Romney might be fucked  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2011, 08:59:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2011, 08:58:20 PM
Perry seems like the best of both worlds: tea party appeal and corporate backing. Romney might be fucked  :o

ugh

 :yuck :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2011, 09:11:32 PM
From a republican perspective, not mine!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 13, 2011, 09:42:50 PM
President Rick Perry sounds like something out of a movie. Hell he even looks like an actor playing the POTUS. He's a good looking man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 14, 2011, 12:33:55 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/15/110815fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=1
Saw this on gaf. Pretty scary. At least Obama's greatest attribute is that he's inoffensive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 14, 2011, 03:14:07 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 14, 2011, 12:33:55 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/15/110815fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=1
Saw this on gaf. Pretty scary. At least Obama's greatest attribute is that he's inoffensive.

Holy fucking shitballs, that woman is scarier than an AIDS infected werewolf on a full moon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2011, 04:46:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/s9OvV.png?3935)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 14, 2011, 08:53:22 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 14, 2011, 04:46:21 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/s9OvV.png?3935)

Pokemon Quotes: At least 2.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 14, 2011, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: new yorker
Marcus Bachmann plopped down on the seat next to me, in the back of the plane. He pointed at my laptop and asked if he could take a look. “All I want to know is what they’re saying about me,” he said. “Newsweek came up with the word ‘silver fox.’ Tell me what ‘silver fox’ means.”

“Do you want me to tell you honestly?” I asked.

“Oh, don’t tell me it’s something gay!” he [shrieked]

...I explained that “silver fox” probably had more to do with the color of his hair.

huahuahuahauhuahuahua.

Quote from: new yorker
The Bachmanns attended Carter’s Inauguration, in January, 1977. Later that year, they experienced a second life-altering event: they watched a series of films by the evangelist and theologian Francis Schaeffer called “How Should We Then Live?”....

The first five installments of the series are something of an art-history and philosophy course. The iconic image from the early episodes is Schaeffer standing on a raised platform next to Michelangelo’s “David” and explaining why, for all its beauty, Renaissance art represented a dangerous turn away from a God-centered world and toward a blasphemous, human-centered world. But the film shifts in the second half. In the sixth episode, a mysterious man in a fake mustache drives around in a white van and furtively pours chemicals into a city’s water supply, while Schaeffer speculates about the possibility that the U.S. government is controlling its citizens by means of psychotropic drugs.


:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 14, 2011, 11:42:12 AM
Pawlenty is out officially now.  I was looking forward to his campaign slogans too. 

"Tim Pawlenty 2012 - he can lead America back to prosperity, he'll cook your dinner and feed your kids so you don't have to, oh and illegal immigration, you want cheap labor, well did he mention he'll mow your lawn for free?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 14, 2011, 12:10:54 PM
I'm surprised Paul has done as well as he has being that the media has done everything in their power to see to it that he doesn't get the nomination.  Fox for example post debate, interview every candidate except for Paul and mention his name only.   A lot of people seem to be ignoring the media now or maybe more people are paying attention to the debates.  Paul is more aggressive now than he was in 08, he's no longer letting people just cut him off when they don't like what he's saying.  And the majority of the country are exhausted with the wars and the debt so his foreign policy views are more popular now.

But going forward I think the media will just ask him less questions in the debates and when they do it'll be drug related.  Next up though I see Cain or Santorum dropping out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2011, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on August 14, 2011, 10:03:56 AM
Quote from: new yorker
Marcus Bachmann plopped down on the seat next to me, in the back of the plane. He pointed at my laptop and asked if he could take a look. “All I want to know is what they’re saying about me,” he said. “Newsweek came up with the word ‘silver fox.’ Tell me what ‘silver fox’ means.”

“Do you want me to tell you honestly?” I asked.

“Oh, don’t tell me it’s something gay!” he [shrieked]

...I explained that “silver fox” probably had more to do with the color of his hair.

huahuahuahauhuahuahua.

Quote from: new yorker
The Bachmanns attended Carter’s Inauguration, in January, 1977. Later that year, they experienced a second life-altering event: they watched a series of films by the evangelist and theologian Francis Schaeffer called “How Should We Then Live?”....

The first five installments of the series are something of an art-history and philosophy course. The iconic image from the early episodes is Schaeffer standing on a raised platform next to Michelangelo’s “David” and explaining why, for all its beauty, Renaissance art represented a dangerous turn away from a God-centered world and toward a blasphemous, human-centered world. But the film shifts in the second half. In the sixth episode, a mysterious man in a fake mustache drives around in a white van and furtively pours chemicals into a city’s water supply, while Schaeffer speculates about the possibility that the U.S. government is controlling its citizens by means of psychotropic drugs.


:usacry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4VjnAdLi-M&t=3m45s

I saw it years ago lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 14, 2011, 01:14:42 PM
I suppose it was part of your home school education smh. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2011, 01:19:19 PM
Nah, played basketball at a Baptist church. We watched most of that, and Left Behind  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 14, 2011, 01:19:44 PM
That what I was thinking  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2011, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 14, 2011, 11:51:36 AM
It's really bizarre how they just glaze over Ron Paul on the news even though he seems to be actually a pretty strong runner.

Paul will never really be a viable candidate because of his huge closet of skeletons and he doesn't have that angry, reactionary, bloodthirsty, and authoritarian streak in him that mainstream conservatives love.  That streak that gleefully gives the go ahead to bomb brownskins in a show of strength.  The streak that screams about the excesses of big government while cutting a large subsidy check to his butt buddies in the defense sector.  To conservatives, big government just translates to Democrat run government.  Republicans have no idea swelling the size of government so long as their friends get a generous cut of the action (see: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush).

Instead, Paul just plods along and repeats his mantra over and over again.  The fact that he is consistent is somewhat admirable but once they find out that he doesn't want to by principle turn Iran into a glass parking lot or object to legalizing pot, any conservaboners people in Oklahoma or Kansas might have had for him turns flaccid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2011, 05:01:07 PM
lol. T-Paw on Thursday:

Quote
Now as to Congresswoman Bachmann's record.  Look, she has done wonderful things in her life, absolutely wonderful things, but it is an indisputable fact that in congress her record of accomplishment and results is nonexistent.  That's not going to be good enough for our candidate for president of the United States, that is not going to be good enough for the president of the United States to serve in that capacity.

T-Paw today:

Quote
    I think she's qualified to be President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2011, 05:11:22 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 14, 2011, 05:01:07 PM
lol. T-Paw on Thursday:

Quote
Now as to Congresswoman Bachmann's record.  Look, she has done wonderful things in her life, absolutely wonderful things, but it is an indisputable fact that in congress her record of accomplishment and results is nonexistent.  That's not going to be good enough for our candidate for president of the United States, that is not going to be good enough for the president of the United States to serve in that capacity.

T-Paw today:

Quote
    I think she's qualified to be President.
:fbm

He went at her hard in the debate and it seemed to backfire. She certainly didn't look good throwing insane bombs at him, but that's the type of shit these crazy voters in Iowa want to see. If the first primary was in NH who knows, maybe Pawlenty could carve a spot for himself as a sane republican alongside Romney. Iowa? lol

Perry is already making an impact. CNN:
Quote
Romney 17%
Perry 15%
Giuliani 12%
Palin 12%
Paul 12%
Bachmann 7%
Gingrich 5%
Cain 4%
Huntsman 4%
Pawlenty 2%
Santorum 2%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2011, 04:49:43 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-08-17colorKOS.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 15, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Let's see the cult set try to spin this. (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-approval-20110814,0,2481281.story)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 05:53:14 PM
obama admin response: hey guys lets talk about the deficit some more!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2011, 05:56:19 PM
Republicans will hate him no matter what, Democrats are unhappy about lopsided compromises.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 05:56:56 PM
President Rick Perry
President Mitt Romney
Both sound good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/15/obamas-jobs-agenda_n_927325.html#s308343&title=More_Investment_in

None of that shit was on the radar when dems controlled government. There has been very little focus on jobs or the economy since the stimulus was passed.

With unemployment high and not coming down fast enough, it's hard to see how Obama will win against a decent opponent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 15, 2011, 06:24:00 PM
Cheebs was so certain that the economy was going to rebound fast...after all, Larry Summers went to MIT when he was 16 years old!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 06:27:22 PM
Yeah Cheebs is a stupid college kid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Cheebs has a masters degree. Do you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
In what? Economics? How is that relevant?
I can't believe you pulled out the 'he has a degree' card. Michelle Bachmann's a lawyer. I guess she's smarter than all of us.

Let him fight his own fights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 06:42:25 PM
Cheebs has a cute gf, do you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 15, 2011, 06:44:39 PM
Michele Bachmann has an LL.M. while Barack Obama only has a pathetic JD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 06:58:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 06:42:25 PM
Cheebs has a cute gf, do you?
You're not that cute, tbh. Stop defending you boyfriend and tell him to get his arse in here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TEEEPO on August 15, 2011, 07:18:20 PM
"an economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today"

that joke sums up my life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 15, 2011, 07:27:34 PM
Pics?

Nah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2011, 10:04:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 15, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
One of my libertarian facebook friends pulled the "I have an economics degree so i know what i'm talking about" on me and i was like, well Krugman has a PhD and a fucking nobel prize and you don't listen to him and he was all :santocry

 :lol

One of my favorite exchanges was when Michael Kinsley wrote a column warning about inflation a couple years ago, and Krugman said he was confusing two types of inflation and that it was a "textbook mistake".

Kinsley got all huffy and said something to the effect of "Well, this difference isn't explained in the textbook I have!" and Krugman was all "Yeah, well it's in the textbook that I wrote."

The guy gets to be own Marshall McLuhan, so jealous.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 10:08:43 PM
Everybody is an expert of everything nowadays.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 15, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Cheebs has a masters degree. Do you?

yes. cheebs is a stupid college kid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 11:11:07 PM
I'm having dinner with Cheebs tomorrow, fuck you guys!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:12:37 PM
I hope you enjoy your date.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 15, 2011, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 11:11:07 PM
I'm having dinner with Cheebs tomorrow, fuck you guys!

Ah, so his salad is the one being tossed.  Does he prefer jelly or syrup?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2011, 11:18:17 PM
A wild PhoenixDark appears!

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
Cheebs has a masters degree. Do you?

Troll attack!

Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
In what? Economics? How is that relevant?
I can't believe you pulled out the 'he has a degree' card. Michelle Bachmann's a lawyer. I guess she's smarter than all of us.

Let him fight his own fights.

It's super effective!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
I swear PD is a stereotypical black man. It's always how much you make (re: Bebpo), who you're fucking (re: Cheebs), what's your status(re: Cheebs again). Jesus bring an educated and eloquent point of view across and I'll read it and consider it. I don't really care who you are.

And it's not even part of his joke persona. This is the shit he always brings in any argument. I guess the virgin shit must of stung as a retort to every argument he made so he decided to co-opt it. Hell if he'd actually argued why Cheebs is not a stereotypical liberal college student who naively believes a well-written editorial piece by somebody with platitudes I might of actually believed him.

Don't worry PD when you're making six figures and wifey a white chick everybody will listen to your opinions and agree with them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2011, 11:33:14 PM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:35:10 PM
Nah it's not part of his troll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
Bepbo never falls for the bait. You on the other hand...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
(http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/08/Corndog1-384x288.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
Bepbo never falls for the bait. You on the other hand...
Nah I know you're just covering. Laugh it off as a joke. I never fallen for your trolls before. At the end of the day you're insecure. You know what I said is 100% true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2011, 11:48:05 PM
FP, I think you need to chill out a bit...

(or "chillax" as the kids say)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:46:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
Bepbo never falls for the bait. You on the other hand...
Nah I know you're just covering. Laugh it off as a joke. I never fallen for your trolls before. At the end of the day you're insecure. You know what I said is 100% true.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
I am cool. Laugh it off, PD. Laugh, laugh, laugh and then cry into your pillow at night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 15, 2011, 11:53:23 PM
look at the titles of all the MANY threads youve made in the last few days and ask yrself if yr in any position to judge other ppl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2011, 11:53:29 PM
Um, anyway...

Quote from: benjipwns on August 15, 2011, 11:43:45 PM
(http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2011/08/Corndog1-384x288.jpg)

(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/3/Perry_Iowa_Corn-dog.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:55:39 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on August 15, 2011, 11:53:23 PM
look at the titles of all the MANY threads youve made in the last few days and ask yrself if yr in any position to judge other ppl
I'm bored. This is the only forum I post in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2011, 11:59:49 PM
There's always gaf.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 12:08:11 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 11:50:52 PM
I am cool. Laugh it off, PD. Laugh, laugh, laugh and then cry into your pillow at night.

I was simply pointing out that while Cheebs is not an expert, he is clearly a more reputable source of knowledge than you, given his educational credentials. I wasn't trying to embarrass you, and my intention wasn't to make you angry. But clearly I would put general trust in Cheebs before you. Unless I'm off base and you have a masters degree as well (which I doubt given your posting history)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
No you do make me angry. This board while small is relatively honest about it's personal life and it's opinions but you always have this vindictive streak (some would say trolling) in you that nobody else on this board has. I ignored Bebpo because I was scared I was going to say something offensive again to him yet it was you before that repeatedly make it a point so clearly to pin him about his profession and salary and not getting what he wants out of a relationship. You did the same with drew regarding his profession even though you've lurked and know that he isn't a waiter but rather a cook and you choose to castigate him over a youtube video for no other reason to get a rise out of him. Has nobody asked themselves why you must be this half troll-half coherent poster character? It's obvious that you're insecure and unhappy about who you are and have this personal vindictive streak you have just seethes out of you so you can feel better about your own life. People simply just dismissed as part of your 'charm' but I noticed it.

Also if you've been in the professional sphere you'd know of the different forms of intelligence and that just because some one has a 'better' degree it does not make them a better professional or their opinions more valid. Also nice dig on the way out. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 12:47:21 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 12:29:10 AM
No you do make me angry. This board while small is relatively honest about it's personal life and it's opinions but you always have this vindictive streak (some would say trolling) in you that nobody else on this board has. I ignored Bebpo because I was scared I was going to say something offensive again to him yet it was you before that repeatedly make it a point so clearly to pin him about his profession and salary and not getting what he wants out of a relationship. You did the same with drew regarding his profession even though you've lurked and know that he isn't a waiter but rather a cook and you choose to castigate him over a youtube video for no other reason to get a rise out of him. Has nobody asked themselves why you must be this half troll-half coherent poster character? It's obvious that you're insecure and unhappy about who you are and have this personal vindictive streak you have just seethes out of you so you can feel better about your own life. People simply just dismissed as part of your 'charm' but I noticed it.

Also if you've been in the professional sphere you'd know of the different forms of intelligence and that just because some one has a 'better' degree it does not make them a better professional or their opinions more valid. Also nice dig on the way out. 

I guess I'll take the highroad and apologize for upsetting you so much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 12:54:03 AM
Fuck that, PD. Admit that's what you've been doing and somebody finally called you out on it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 16, 2011, 12:55:47 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 12:54:03 AM
Fuck that, PD. Admit that's what you've been doing and somebody finally called you out on it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 01:04:58 AM
You've got to be shitting me  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 16, 2011, 01:06:34 AM
FIRST AMIR0X
NOW PHOENIX DARK
THE OLD GODS ARE CRUMBLING
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 01:07:23 AM
Nah PD, I'm dead serious. It's alright to look insecure on the internet. You're going to be proof of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 01:15:38 AM
Fuck this. I'm right. He's wrong. You take too long. You're going on ignore that's what'll hurt you the most you attention whore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 01:20:16 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 01:15:38 AM
Fuck this. I'm right. He's wrong. You take too long. You're going on ignore that's what'll hurt you the most you attention whore.

One throwaway troll and you piss your pants. Oh well, welcome back to EB
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 01:21:47 AM
He's too late.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 01:24:17 AM
Go on with the thread as per usual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 16, 2011, 02:05:20 AM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 15, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
I can't believe you pulled out the 'he has a degree' card. Michelle Bachmann's a lawyer. I guess she's smarter than all of us.

Well there's a degree and then there's a "degree"

Quote
After finishing college, the two committed young Christians moved to Oklahoma, where Michele entered one of the most ridiculous learning institutions in the Western Hemisphere, a sort of highway rest area with legal accreditation called the O.W. Coburn School of Law; Michele was a member of its inaugural class in 1979.

Originally a division of Oral Roberts University, this august academy, dedicated to the teaching of "the law from a biblical worldview," has gone through no fewer than three names — including the Christian Broadcasting Network School of Law. Those familiar with the darker chapters in George W. Bush's presidency might recognize the school's current name, the Regent University School of Law. Yes, this was the tiny educational outhouse that, despite being the 136th-ranked law school in the country, where 60 percent of graduates flunked the bar, produced a flood of entrants into the Bush Justice Department.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 02:08:01 AM
I'm well aware of that since I linked the article and that was supposed to highlight the significance of Cheebs 'masters' of 'what' from 'where'?

And then the 'what' and the 'where' isn't really a good indication because of George W. Bush himself earned a MASTERS of BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION at YALE. He managed the economy just fine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2011, 02:13:22 AM
The worrisome part of that profile, and of the whole evangelical Christian political movement in the US in general, is how a pretty substantial chunk of the country is dropping out of social institutions and building its own parallel ones.  Religious colleges, the home school movement, books and documentaries that get treated like samizdat, novels, music, etc.

I'm always optimistic that America will pull through, or at least muddle along, despite all the anger and discord and crap in our politics, because at the end of the day everyone has to live with each other.  I don't think hardcore Christians are going to go to the lengths that Scientologists or fringe Mormons do, but millions of people deliberately alienating themselves from the rest of the country is an unsettling idea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 16, 2011, 02:14:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2011, 10:04:34 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 15, 2011, 06:41:01 PM
One of my libertarian facebook friends pulled the "I have an economics degree so i know what i'm talking about" on me and i was like, well Krugman has a PhD and a fucking nobel prize and you don't listen to him and he was all :santocry

 :lol

One of my favorite exchanges was when Michael Kinsley wrote a column warning about inflation a couple years ago, and Krugman said he was confusing two types of inflation and that it was a "textbook mistake".

Kinsley got all huffy and said something to the effect of "Well, this difference isn't explained in the textbook I have!" and Krugman was all "Yeah, well it's in the textbook that I wrote."

The guy gets to be own Marshall McLuhan, so jealous.

Krugman's thin skin probably shouldn't be an admirable quality, but I approve because it makes him say totally awesome things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
The other week K-thug and Grover Norquist were on the same Sunday morning flapping heads show, and Grover basically spewed out all of his talking points in 30-45 seconds, and Krugman was just like "uh, nothing you just said is true.  nothing." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 16, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
The other week K-thug and Grover Norquist were on the same Sunday morning flapping heads show, and Grover basically spewed out all of his talking points in 30-45 seconds, and Krugman was just like "uh, nothing you just said is true.  nothing." :lol

Got a link by any chance?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2011, 02:21:56 AM
It was This Week on ABC with Christianne "AIPAC hates me" Amanpour from two weeks ago I want to say?  Maybe 3?  Not showing up on the site's front page and I don't care enough to dig for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 02:29:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 16, 2011, 02:13:22 AM
The worrisome part of that profile, and of the whole evangelical Christian political movement in the US in general, is how a pretty substantial chunk of the country is dropping out of social institutions and building its own parallel ones.  Religious colleges, the home school movement, books and documentaries that get treated like samizdat, novels, music, etc.

I'm always optimistic that America will pull through, or at least muddle along, despite all the anger and discord and crap in our politics, because at the end of the day everyone has to live with each other.  I don't think hardcore Christians are going to go to the lengths that Scientologists or fringe Mormons do, but millions of people deliberately alienating themselves from the rest of the country is an unsettling idea.
You have conservatives that build these institutions because of people like Cheebs and his friend who think just because they have a degree it allows them to spew whatever bullshit they want. Look guys I know you're very proud of your degrees. Hell mine cost me nights out and pussy but hell sometimes a degree is just a piece of paper and nothing is going to save you from the real world except experience and quick learning.

I'm not a fan of people diminishing education but when it gives rise to 'stupid college kids' who are smarmy as fuck what do you expect?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 16, 2011, 02:40:02 AM
shut the fuck up fresh prince
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2011, 02:43:50 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 16, 2011, 02:18:13 AM
The other week K-thug and Grover Norquist were on the same Sunday morning flapping heads show, and Grover basically spewed out all of his talking points in 30-45 seconds, and Krugman was just like "uh, nothing you just said is true.  nothing." :lol

During the Bush administration Krugman was sort of a beacon as one of the only outspoken liberals to regularly get space in a prime op-ed section, but he's been super-valuable the last few years explaining the economic situation, which has been right in his wheelhouse.

He's also been spot on about the deficit and its attendant inflation crisis which keeps not happening.  It's a little depressing to see the people who were wrong in their predictions a few years ago lose none of their cachet, while half the people who follow politics closely will always write off Krugman no matter how many things he gets right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 02:44:05 AM
Ignore me but don't tell me to shut up. I'll damn well say what I want.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2011, 02:52:47 AM
Mandark- that's because Krugman is Shrill.  Al Gore, however, is never Shrill- always Fat.  And Michael Moore is Fat and a Liar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 16, 2011, 07:25:35 AM
Quote from: Spencer on August 16, 2011, 01:05:25 AM
Cmon this is going so slow, more posts now

Edit: whoa what the fuck how did I do this quick edit thing? Also I'm hoping for M. Night Shamalamadingdong ending where FP and PD are the same Asian girl.

I love it when Spencer posts high.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 10:07:05 AM
When I imagine Obama reading the NYT he flips past Krugman as fast as possible to get to Brooks  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2011, 04:28:42 PM
holy shit:

Quote
Michele Bachmann gave Elvis Presley, whose songs she uses at her events, happy birthday wishes today while she was in Spartanburg, S.C.

Unfortunately, today's the 34th anniversary of the day he died.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61493.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61493.html)


:lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 16, 2011, 04:46:51 PM
I thought Taibbi's piece on Bachmann was good. Like Palin, just turned up to 11, the stupider shit she says and the more we laugh, the more the rubes "identify" with her, because they might not bother figuring out why she's shamelessly full of shit, but they do understand people smarter than her laughing at her and it feeds right into their persecution complex.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 16, 2011, 05:11:56 PM
Pd gets an A for the past page of trolling.  Or whatever symbolized a high mark in home school.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
bullshit I called him out and he ran away scared. First he says he was trolling then he says it was sincere then he says it was trolling. First he laughs it off and then he apologizes and then he gets pissed off and goes off thebore. What does that say?

Also it was to prove Mandark wrong about PD's trolling or rather the reason he trolls. PD is insecure it's not for the fun of it that's why he's so butthurt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 16, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
If you had a masters you might appreciate the nuance of his baiting a little more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 05:21:37 PM
Look at the evidence not from me or PD but the other posters. What have they said? He's finished here. He can't show his face properly.

He's probably in the e-arms of electrikluv probably crying about that big meany Fresh Prince.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2011, 05:53:56 PM
:rofl what the fuck is going on :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
For you PD
[youtube=560,345]cP0wsET8__Y[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2011, 06:05:24 PM
Take it to another thread plz

All over my FB there's people saying shit like "I'm voting for Rick Perry because he's a Texan!"

Sigh. It's funny, because those are that's the exact reason I'm NOT voting for Perry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 06:06:45 PM
Okay I"m finished when other people stop talking about it- which hasn't happened. You can PM me if you like.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 06:12:24 PM
PM'ed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
Perry's espoused some pretty fuckin crazy ideas, but he presents as more sane than Bachmann (ie he's a white guy in a suit who ran a big state), so all the secession talk won't hurt him like it really ought to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2011, 06:15:23 PM
What about Texas and education or Texas and government programs like medicare/medicaid?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 16, 2011, 07:04:37 PM
Perry supports the dream act. That's as much as we agree on probably.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2011, 07:07:19 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on August 16, 2011, 07:04:37 PM
Perry supports the dream act. That's as much as we agree on probably.

Whoa, what?

He should be glad that his only real competition is Romney.  A standard Republican with no big heresies could just hammer away at that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 16, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
He even passed a Texas dream act giving in state tuition and assistance to illegal. He has a lot of issues that Republicans will tear him apart on. I believe he was a Democrat when he was first elected to office (not as a gov).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 16, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
Im on my phone but a quick Google search found this article about Perry and his issues with hard right Republicans

http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/blogs/exclusive/rick-perry-vulnerabilities-145436433.html?back=%2Fpolitics%2F&.ts=1313537200&.intl=us&.lang=en
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 08:22:20 PM
If your a media organisation why would you talk about Ron Paul? He's not as photogenic or as I heard a local commentator put it 'charismatic' as Bachmann or Perry. Mitt Romney came a close third in 2008 with no Huckabee there he'll become the front runner. Paul was a languishing fourth so there is no form to speak of and no reason for him to garner more votes since there are other 'tea party' delegates to muddy his water.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 08:33:33 PM
The contradiction in Bachmann is so clear: Libertarian theocrat.  Shit I came across this
Quote from: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michele-bachmanns-holy-war-20110622?page=2
You and I might have thought William Butler Yeats, for example, was a great poet who died half a century before the Age of Aquarius, but EdWatch calls him a "New-Age Pantheism Guru" who was aggressively "undermining Christianity."
What would she say of Byron?! :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 08:44:52 PM
FP is still upset? Damn.

Speaking of clever trolls, Obama on Perry's ridiculous Fed comments

Quote
You know, Mr. Perry just got into the presidential race. I think that everybody who runs for president, it probably takes them a little bit of time before they start realizing that this isn't like running for governor or running for senator or running for Congress, and you've got to be a little more careful about what you say. But I'll cut him some slack. He's only been at it for a few days now.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/obama-on-perry-ill-cut-him-some-slack.php?ref=fpb

Life is hard, hug me. Don't reject me, or make records to disrespect me blatantly or indirectly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 16, 2011, 09:23:40 PM
what do you mean by "act black"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 16, 2011, 10:16:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 16, 2011, 08:18:58 PM
Ron Paul is ignored because Ron Paul is an unelectable fringe candidate whose rabid fanbase swings the results of early polling and contests. 

bullshit.  utter and complete fucking bullshit.  they don't mention him because if they did the idiots that watch dancing with the stars and America's got talent every fucking night might realize that they have an option other than the left right paradigm, that they don't have to settle for the better of the worst.  Institutions are scared of him and the talking heads think it's cute to nestle up next to whoever is running the show, evil or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 16, 2011, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
bullshit I called him out and he ran away scared. First he says he was trolling then he says it was sincere then he says it was trolling. First he laughs it off and then he apologizes and then he gets pissed off and goes off thebore. What does that say?

Also it was to prove Mandark wrong about PD's trolling or rather the reason he trolls. PD is insecure it's not for the fun of it that's why he's so butthurt.

Uh huh.

Quote from: Fresh Prince
No you do make me angry. This board while small is relatively honest about it's personal life and it's opinions but you always have this vindictive streak (some would say trolling) in you that nobody else on this board has

U mad.

U lose.  Period.

Don't need a masters in psych to figure that one out am I right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
Like I said PM me, or can't you read? Guys if you're trying to defend PD don't do it in this thread because people don't like shitting it up. But apparently people like My Fucking Grandpa can't read and takes a couple of hours to talk to PD so he can finally have a comeback. Also I think that remark by Wrath was a troll by PD and Wrath since I called PD a stereotypical black man which he is. This is all I have to say on the matter in this thread. Again PM me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 16, 2011, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
Like I said PM me, or can't you read? Guys if you're trying to defend PD don't do it in this thread because people don't like shitting it up. But apparently people like My Fucking Grandpa can't read and takes a couple of hours to talk to PD so he can finally have a comeback. Also I think that remark by Wrath was a troll by PD and Wrath since I called PD a stereotypical black man which he is. This is all I have to say on the matter in this thread. Again PM me.

Dude, count to ten and take some deep breaths.  No one is "defending" Cheeb---I mean, PD, we just chose to ignore him.  You bit.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 10:41:12 PM
Quote from: drew on August 16, 2011, 10:16:59 PM
bullshit.  utter and complete fucking bullshit.  they don't mention him because if they did the idiots that watch dancing with the stars and America's got talent every fucking night might realize that they have an option other than the left right paradigm, that they don't have to settle for the better of the worst.  Institutions are scared of him and the talking heads think it's cute to nestle up next to whoever is running the show, evil or not.
drew last time in 2008 Ron Paul got 14 pledged delegates, 35 total delegates. Okay let's say the Libertarian\Tea Party votes grows to whatever %. Now he has to share that % with Bachmann and possibly Perry and who else?

Also I love to argue so to me this is fun. Just take it to PMs and I'll tear you apart PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 16, 2011, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 16, 2011, 10:44:18 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 10:41:12 PM
Just take it to PMs and I'll tear you apart
Please add this to the news feed. 

Ya, that's a winner right there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 10:53:08 PM
Yeah put it to a news feed. I love this shit. Nice way to spice up a boring day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 10:54:45 PM
Paul's hand prints are all over the 10th amendment libertarianism at the heart of the tea party. Republicans just decided to turn it into a buffet table, picking and choosing what they like (no regulations! state's rights!) and leaving what they don't (like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXrjzoBhYjQ)). Not to mention mixing it with neoconservative foreign policy. So while Paul isn't a viable candidate, his influence on the party is unmistakable. And if Perry winds up as the nominee the American public will get even more Paulite gospel on the fed and state's rights, which they'll most likely reject as crazy talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 16, 2011, 10:59:04 PM
i think people are really starting to wake up at an accelerated rate now as oppossed to the 2008 election, people are becoming dissillusioned with the left right paradigm and are starting to see right through it and their ilk

also by saying that ron paul isn't viable is playing right into their grubby little mutant hands, you do realize that, i hope.  what's going on in the mainstream media is a dirty jedi mind trick that will fool all but the strongest minded
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 11:03:20 PM
Are you going on the results of Iowa, drew?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 16, 2011, 11:04:15 PM
i'm talking about the big picture, the whole shebang, baby
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 16, 2011, 11:06:52 PM
things are a hell of a lot different than they were four years ago in regards to ron paul's early success and money raising
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
Paul wants to dismantle the department of education, the department of HHS, the department of defense, get rid of the Federal Reserve, doesn't believe in a minimum wage, would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act (of 1964, to clarify for JayDubya)....yea, he is not electable on a national level bro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 16, 2011, 11:10:11 PM
Spencer started it really

Okay drew Libertarians are a big deal but why Ron Paul over the others? His drugs policy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2011, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 16, 2011, 11:04:35 PM
Dear god why did I start.  WE DID THIS 4 YEARS AGO.

Someone get drew to type the phrase "melt value" so we can get Patel in here.

But seriously drew, what's your over/under on how many states Paul carries during the primaries?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2011, 11:55:34 PM
Apparently Paul Ryan has changed his mind and is now considering getting in: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ryan-president_590273.html?nopager=1

If you count Pawlenty who dropped out, Roy Moore who is still "exploring" plus Rudy and Palin that'd be 20 candidates. Bolton and Pataki would make 22 if they got in. I don't think there's ever been that many candidates in a primary in the modern post-McGovern Commission era. 15 or 16 Democrats ran in 1976 which I believe was the highest.

Even tossing out Jimmy McMillan, that wrestler, etc. it's probably still the highest if you also toss out those random mayors and women who ran in the 70s.

McMillan should team up with Fred Karger, Thaddeus McCotter, Gary Johnson, Buddy Roemer, etc. and hold their own debates. Ron Paul can come too. They could even allow answers longer than 60-90 seconds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 11:59:35 PM
Ryan is probably just angling for a VP spot or setting up for 2016 in the event that Obama wins. It's kind of hard to imagine him winning on a national stage next year given how unpopular his budget is; Perry, Romney, etc would be fools to put him on their ticket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 12:41:55 AM
A lot of this is speculation driven by a media that wants to (for some reason) pretend that the Republican party is not run by people who are stupid enough to want to keep gubmint out of their medicare.  The media elites want a serious daddy figure to ride in and white knight it (tee hee, see what I did thar!) for them against President Disappointment.  Which is why they're trying real hard to pretend that Rick Perry isn't a gee shucks idiot that was threatening to secede a year ago and is, in fact, a Very Serious Person with good hair and high likability.  And those things matter, because the media says they do!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
I heard the media was ripping Perry apart over the fed comment though? Karl Rove jumped on him too. Perry has never even pretended to be a uniter. It'll be interesting to hear how teh beltway frames his approach over the next few months.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 12:49:42 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 17, 2011, 12:41:55 AM
A lot of this is speculation driven by a media that wants to (for some reason) pretend that the Republican party is not run by people who are stupid enough to want to keep gubmint out of their medicare.  The media elites want a serious daddy figure to ride in and white knight it (tee hee, see what I did thar!) for them against President Disappointment.  Which is why they're trying real hard to pretend that Rick Perry isn't a gee shucks idiot that was threatening to secede a year ago and is, in fact, a Very Serious Person with good hair and high likability.  And those things matter, because the media says they do!
You forgot that he's the successful governor of Texas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 12:50:46 AM
Also a job creator.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 12:51:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
I heard the media was ripping Perry apart over the fed comment though? Karl Rove jumped on him too. Perry has never even pretended to be a uniter. It'll be interesting to hear how teh beltway frames his approach over the next few months.

If by ripping him apart you mean the Washington Post ran a lede that read "Fed may be in trouble" after Gov. Goodhair's courageous stand, then YES.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 12:57:28 AM
Quote from: Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/08/16/bloomberg1376-LPY3P41A74E901-4PVL9ME1ONKRV4S1D0MSH82IRB.DTL#ixzz1VG76HWkG
Karl Rove, a Texan who was former President George W. Bush's longtime political adviser, chided Perry for "a very unfortunate comment."
.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 01:01:56 AM
That's just a Bushie slamming Perry.  The Bush people have ALWAYS hated Perry, for whatever reason.  Dumber with better hair is my guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:04:02 AM
But it's so mild he also threw 'unpresidential' which is a bit more serious. Americans politics is so polite to what we get here in Australia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2011, 01:06:55 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on August 16, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
I believe he was a Democrat when he was first elected to office (not as a gov).

Yes, he was a Democrat in the Texas House. Also a Gore supporter in the late 80's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:13:19 AM
Rick 'Flip-Flop' Perry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2011, 01:32:21 AM
oh gawd, just waking up to the fact that Rick Perry is being trumpeted as the guy riding in at dawn to save these other turds from themselves...and the media swoons.

I'm pricing out a shack in the woods, fuck this society we're doomed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 01:35:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 17, 2011, 01:32:21 AM
oh gawd, just waking up to the fact that Rick Perry is being trumpeted as the guy riding in at dawn to save these other turds from themselves...and the media swoons.

I'm pricing out a shack in the woods, fuck this society we're doomed.

I will join you, we should consult T234 on the proper methods to distill us some moonshine and how to handle weapons to protect it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 17, 2011, 01:37:13 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 17, 2011, 01:35:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 17, 2011, 01:32:21 AM
oh gawd, just waking up to the fact that Rick Perry is being trumpeted as the guy riding in at dawn to save these other turds from themselves...and the media swoons.

I'm pricing out a shack in the woods, fuck this society we're doomed.

I will join you, we should consult T234 on the proper methods to distill us some moonshine and how to handle weapons to protect it.

Move out to the West coast, we don't give a shit and will continue living our awesome heathen lives regardless of who wins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 01:44:28 AM
Article on the Perry/Bush tension
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2011/jun/30/nation/la-na-0630-perry-bush-20110630

I'm kind of baffled at Rove hating Perry. I get Bush not liking Perry, but you'd think Perry's scorched earth approach would be right up Rove's alley. I guess the only thing I can discern, outside of his undying love for Dubya, is that Rove seems to demand discipline. He has rejected the tea party in part because it's a completely chaotic, reactive movement that loses elections; although to be fair, his 51% majority, negative campaigning bullshit helped sow the seeds for the tea party.

Perry's economic record alone makes him dangerous (nevermind what type of jobs boomed in Texas, or the oil company benefit), but if he wants to play Paulite mental gymnastics on a national scale he might be fucked. People like gubmint in their medicare
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 17, 2011, 01:47:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
get rid of the Federal Reserve

please explain to me in intimate detail on why getting rid of a private organization that is holding the country hostage would be a bad thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 01:48:13 AM
We're getting rid of the tea party?  Hot diggity
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 17, 2011, 01:37:13 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 17, 2011, 01:35:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 17, 2011, 01:32:21 AM
oh gawd, just waking up to the fact that Rick Perry is being trumpeted as the guy riding in at dawn to save these other turds from themselves...and the media swoons.

I'm pricing out a shack in the woods, fuck this society we're doomed.

I will join you, we should consult T234 on the proper methods to distill us some moonshine and how to handle weapons to protect it.

Move out to the West coast, we don't give a shit and will continue living our awesome heathen lives regardless of who wins.

I would like to.  I really need to finish school however, and doing so in a state where I have residency and don't have to wait a year or whatever to get the discounted tuition rate seems like a good, even RESPONSIBLE thing to do, which is totally not in my character but whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:52:07 AM
You know there's three people that would maybe vote for Ron Paul on board- drew, Spencer and Wrath if he was American. I'd like to know why from the other two.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 01:54:52 AM
Spencer should really know better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 01:56:38 AM
Quote from: drew on August 17, 2011, 01:47:15 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
get rid of the Federal Reserve

please explain to me in intimate detail on why getting rid of a private organization that is holding the country hostage would be a bad thing?

Hold on, how is the federal reserve holding the country hostage?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 17, 2011, 02:14:18 AM
oh boy, it's really too late for me to break this down to you, google is your friend, i guess

if you're not hip to that you probably also don't know that Rick Perry killed little girls with forced inoculations, doesn't sound very electable to me, but i don't know maybe i'm just weird or something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2011, 02:14:52 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 17, 2011, 12:50:46 AM
Also a job creator.

Most Texas jobs being created are in specific industries isolated to the Texas economy and culture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 02:19:23 AM
People voted for Bush even though he was a draft dodger and sounded stupid.
People voted for Obama even though he was black.
The American people can look past things when it comes to elections and then bitch about them once they are actually in power. It's just the American way TM.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
Quote from: drew on August 17, 2011, 02:14:18 AM
oh boy, it's really too late for me to break this down to you, google is your friend, i guess

if you're not hip to that you probably also don't know that Rick Perry killed little girls with forced inoculations, doesn't sound very electable to me, but i don't know maybe i'm just weird or something

If you're talking about the HPV vaccine, I'm gonna lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 17, 2011, 02:27:35 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
If you're talking about the HPV vaccine, I'm gonna lol.

why in the world would you want to laugh at that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 02:28:33 AM
Didn't you bring up concerns on why Ron Paul wasn't getting media exposure?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 02:30:05 AM
Okay I guess you're off the list.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 02:48:44 AM
Quote from: drew on August 17, 2011, 02:14:18 AM
oh boy, it's really too late for me to break this down to you, google is your friend, i guess

if you're not hip to that you probably also don't know that Rick Perry killed little girls with forced inoculations, doesn't sound very electable to me, but i don't know maybe i'm just weird or something

I'm going to assume you're trolling and just not respond
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 03:38:15 AM
Quote from: drew on August 17, 2011, 02:27:35 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
If you're talking about the HPV vaccine, I'm gonna lol.

why in the world would you want to laugh at that?

Because your take on politics is so damned gnostic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2011, 10:13:57 AM
kiss of death here folks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2011, 10:30:11 AM
Funny how anybody with a semblance of being well adjusted in society abhours anything and all Paul stands for, but like all cultists you take any hint of criticism as persecution and proof you're on some righteous path or something.

Carry on, I need some lolz today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2011, 10:34:36 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2011, 10:31:43 AM
Google Translate can't parse any of that.


Where is the DURP DURP filter?


Try here (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=ignore;u=4229)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on August 17, 2011, 11:11:57 AM
Maybe ignoring Paul will backfire.  Some are picking up on it and calling the media out.

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0jcNBzfwM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DjvhVcVRk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cUXBz6AGJFM[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 17, 2011, 11:17:58 AM
It's a complete joke. Paul comes in second and you hear more about Rick Ferry who wasn't even there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 11:22:35 AM
If you're allowed to view it, a better version of The Daily Show clip is on the site: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2011, 10:11:21 AM
I'm "on board," and I don't think there's been a better candidate in decades.

What about Gary?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
Ron Paul is unelectable for multiple reasons.  Not because the media isn't paying attention to him.  Anyone who thinks "legalizing drugs" is an issue that the average American will take lightly is incredibly misinformed. 

and wait til economists start slamming him daily in the papers for his gold standard stance (does anyone remember what that did to the economy in the 1870's??? it was called the long depression, dammit). 

For all the good things he stands for (non intervention foreign policy, even drugs) he's unelectable for the extremely controversial shit he says.  Wait til minorities hear he wouldn't have voted for the civil rights act. 

And LOL at drew talking about the fed.  Why is your excuse always to say "google it"?  Is it because you watched a video that explained it neatly and you don't really understand what you're talking about?  Or is it that you're feigning so much anger over it but don't really care enough to type about it?  Because that is pretty much your answer for anything when you're pressed for a real breakdown of your opinion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 17, 2011, 11:17:58 AM
It's a complete joke. Paul comes in second and you hear more about Rick Ferry who wasn't even there.

Paul bussed in a shit ton of college students to inflate his numbers. It's standard procedure at Ames, and Bachman did it too; although some of the folks she paid ended up voting for other candidates. So Paul's second place finish is irrelevant. But I do agree the media is unjustly ignoring the man; if Hermain fucking Cain can be on television daily, why can't Paul
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 17, 2011, 12:06:19 PM
Calling any candidate unelectable is bullshit.

Some would say voting for Ron Paul is a waste of a vote; I say if you're not voting for who you believe should win, that's wasting a vote. You're all free to believe as you will, so am I.

I'll write his name in if that's what it is.
I agree completely.  But I also believe he's unelectable because of the way the system is set up and the current mentality of Americans. 

"Ron Paul wants to legalize drugs.  He doesn't think African Americans should have the same rights as other Americans.  He wants to make America defenseless"

In this current climate, it's pretty much impossible.  Both of the current parties would tear him apart and the average American will eat it up as "Oh, Ron. You so crazy."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 17, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
If you approach his position on civil rights act and actually listen to his reasoning it makes sense. He's not saying he hates distinguished black fellows. The man is consistent with his ideology, find me another politician that's been in the game as long as he has with that kind of consistency.
But that's not what we're getting at.  Look at the spin that can easily be put on it, regardless of the proper interpretation of his statement.  The average American will never hear the full story.  That is what assures he will never get elected to President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 17, 2011, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 17, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
If you approach his position on civil rights act and actually listen to his reasoning it makes sense. He's not saying he hates distinguished black fellows. The man is consistent with his ideology, find me another politician that's been in the game as long as he has with that kind of consistency.

What does he say about it then? What's a solution over the Civil Rights Act? What would he do better?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 12:29:36 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 17, 2011, 12:27:49 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 17, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
If you approach his position on civil rights act and actually listen to his reasoning it makes sense. He's not saying he hates distinguished black fellows. The man is consistent with his ideology, find me another politician that's been in the game as long as he has with that kind of consistency.

What does he say about it then? What's a solution over the Civil Rights Act? What would he do better?
IIRC correctly it imposed on civil liberties by forcing integration instead of actually improving race relations.  It imposed federal powers of businesses regarding hiring, customers, etc. 

Edit: According to Paul of course.

Double Edit: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul188.html here's his statement on it. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
I believe both Rand and Ron Paul are fine with all of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 EXCEPT for Title II. Ron might go a bit farther, but that's Rand's stated position anyway and generally the libertarian one.
Quote from: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
and wait til economists start slamming him daily in the papers for his gold standard stance (does anyone remember what that did to the economy in the 1870's??? it was called the long depression, dammit). 
Ron Paul isn't in favor of the gold standard exactly, any commodity will do, he just uses gold or silver or both as examples because of their history with our currency. IIRC he most commonly says his personal preference is the "basket of commodities" idea but that anything is better than the current system.

I don't know if I would blame the 1870s entirely on the the dropping of silver for gold alone. That downturn was a long time coming in part because of all sorts of global meddling with the value and relevance of silver in the prior decades that wound up being exacerbated by the Civil War (or War of Southern Independence/Northern Aggression if Thomas Woods is a member here) and Franco-Prussian War.

EDIT: However, I agree that Ron Paul will never win a major party nomination or the Presidency. Sorry. :lol Didn't mean to quibble but it was my Masters in Political Science and History coming out. /more-than-beyond-worthless-elitist-credentials :smug
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 12:40:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

I think the problem with Ron Paul is the opposite and the msm. He is boring on tv despite his positions. I can see the 'romance' of him though and to be fair what he seems to be arguing (from what I gather) is less federal government and possibly more state government something I can sort of agree with.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 12:43:59 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 12:40:27 PM
He is boring on tv despite his positions.
BORING? BORING???

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pChzOaIeyxY[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUNIeOB0whI[/youtube]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:lol :lol :lol They're so insanely over the top. (And then he comes in with his voice to approve it. :rofl) All candidates should make ads like these.
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Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 12:44:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
I believe both Rand and Ron Paul are fine with all of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 EXCEPT for Title II. Ron might go a bit farther, but that's Rand's stated position anyway and generally the libertarian one.
Quote from: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
and wait til economists start slamming him daily in the papers for his gold standard stance (does anyone remember what that did to the economy in the 1870's??? it was called the long depression, dammit). 
Ron Paul isn't in favor of the gold standard exactly, any commodity will do, he just uses gold or silver or both as examples because of their history with our currency. IIRC he most commonly says his personal preference is the "basket of commodities" idea but that anything is better than the current system.

I don't know if I would blame the 1870s entirely on the the dropping of silver for gold alone. That downturn was a long time coming in part because of all sorts of global meddling with the value and relevance of silver in the prior decades that wound up being exacerbated by the Civil War (or War of Southern Independence/Northern Aggression if Thomas Woods is a member here) and Franco-Prussian War.

EDIT: However, I agree that Ron Paul will never win a major party nomination or the Presidency. Sorry. :lol Didn't mean to quibble but it was my Masters in Political Science and History coming out. /more-than-beyond-worthless-elitist-credentials :smug

I just meant that's how the media is going to spin it.  CNN will devote an entire segment to experts stating that Ron Paul wants the gold standard and how in the 1870's we reverted to the gold standard and the economy crashed regardless of facts (France reparations, collapse of the railroad boom, 1873 panic in Vienna, fall of Jay Cooke and Company etc).

Quote from: Spencer on August 17, 2011, 12:38:08 PM
And Mupepe you're basically saying people wouldn't vote for him because they don't understand him. Wouldn't the logical conclusion be to enlighten the people instead of declaring him unelectable? All I'm saying is just because the average citizen is too fucking dense to get to the truth of a statement shouldn't open up a candidate to be simply brushed aside.
I am not brushing him aside.  But unfortunately because of the way the media operates (knee jerk, sensationalist reactions) he will be laughed off the national stage and there is no initiative from the average voter to look deeper.  Again, I'm not labeling him unelectable because of his views but by the way his views can be easily turned around in 30 second tv ads that Americans get their information from.  It's just too easy.  
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 17, 2011, 12:12:16 PM
If you approach his position on civil rights act and actually listen to his reasoning it makes sense. He's not saying he hates distinguished black fellows. The man is consistent with his ideology, find me another politician that's been in the game as long as he has with that kind of consistency.

Please, justify this

Paul was critical of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, arguing that it was unconstitutional and did not improve race relations. He once remarked: "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society"

Reduced individual liberty...of white business owners to not serve blacks.
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Post by: Himu on August 17, 2011, 12:46:26 PM
He's talking about racial quotas? In 1964, for the most part, you'd be lucky to be both a. a minority (women included) and b. NOT working a dead end job. In order for my grandma to get a job as a teacher, she had to pretend she was white, and dyed her hair blonde. Thankfully she was light enough to pull it off. Yes, affirmative action is an evil, it causes people first hand to notice people's skin color or gender, but those are things people would notice anyways. Only a pure heart glazed in naivete would be unable to understand why AA is necessary in a world that isn't color blind. Why? Because we'll likely never BE color blind and the mere suggestion is just stupid utopia thinking. If you say that when you look at a black man or woman or a hispanic or asian and that you don't notice their physical features you're batshit insane distinguished mentally-challenged and it always puzzles me when it's some middle or upper class white male talking about living in a "color blind" society, which just doesn't exist.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 12:50:22 PM
I'm not disagreeing with you String but I think it Ron Paul's free market, meritocracy world people would hire the best worker regardless of ethnicity or sex.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on August 17, 2011, 12:44:41 PM
I just meant that's how the media is going to spin it.  CNN will devote an entire segment to experts stating that Ron Paul wants the gold standard and how in the 1870's we reverted to the gold standard and the economy crashed regardless of facts (France reparations, collapse of the railroad boom, 1873 panic in Vienna, fall of Jay Cooke and Company etc).
Yeah, I realized that after I already rambled for a bit. Apologies again.
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I am not brushing him aside.  But unfortunately because of the way the media operates (knee jerk, sensationalist reactions) he will be laughed off the national stage and there is no initiative from the average voter to look deeper.  Again, I'm not labeling him unelectable because of his views but by the way his views can be easily turned around in 30 second tv ads that Americans get their information from.  It's just too easy.  
I agree fully with this and I'll probably end up voting for him in the open Republican primary we have here. (Since I doubt Gary Johnson will still be in. And the Dem race is very unlikely to even exist.) I don't really get this positivism in the libertarian camps over Ron and how this is his year. But I guess that existed in 2008 as well. His doing solidly and getting real money and ads like I posted above are helping the delusion train roll on. And I think he'll do better than then and possibly win a couple primaries but I don't see how he can win the nomination.
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Post by: Himu on August 17, 2011, 12:51:17 PM
Yes, but Ron Paul's free market is an utopia that just doesn't exist
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 12:51:33 PM
That's the full quote on Paul's wikipedia. I'm not saying he's racist, anymore than I'd argue he supports gay marriage because he's fine with gays getting married. His worldview is extremely warped
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 12:54:53 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 17, 2011, 12:51:17 PM
Yes, but Ron Paul's free market is an utopia that just doesn't exist
Pretty much because despite evidence to contrary he believes people will not 'vote' against their self interests but that's something he shares with a lot of liberals.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 01:00:35 PM
The full quote is about quotas as well as property rights, which is why Paul is against it in the first place. His position is that while racism is bad, eventually the market will correct itself without government intervention; in other words, a business not serving blacks in the 60s would have gone out of business eventually. That's utterly ridiculous.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 01:04:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
Please, justify this

Paul was critical of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, arguing that it was unconstitutional and did not improve race relations. He once remarked: "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society"

Reduced individual liberty...of white business owners to not serve blacks.

You have to approach it from the libertarian principles for it to be "justified" and if you reject those it can't be. Private actors not serving blacks or gays or muslims or left handed people or hipsters. Well, that's just too bad. It sucks, moral people will boycott those businesses. Hopefully they will fail. Hopefully those people will be shunned from polite society and ruined financially.

However, any government attempts to "correct things" will fail and just cause greater problems in the end because of the law of unintended consequences. (Plus Bastiat broken windows, Hayek's fatal conceit, and so on.) Public actors of course must treat all people equally or they are committing horrific injustices and the governments of the past such as in the Jim Crow era were actively enforcing a racist coercion where if a lunch counter wanted to serve blacks they couldn't because the government would either bring down hell or look the other way as the racists in town did so.

And he expands on that in the second half of the statement. We don't have racial harmony, we don't have a color-blind society and he likely would argue further that government attempting to impose "racial harmony" will likely just backfire and that it will be minorities that are harmed even more by this.

Further, I don't think Ron Paul would ever actually say it, let alone any politician, (Gary Johnson doesn't and he is one of the biggest "the drug war is a disaster" politicians) but a lot of libertarians consider the War on Drugs to be the replacement outlet of racism. The passive acquiescence to it being far worse than the injustices of the 1950s and 1960s which saw active protest from cross-racial and cross-political groups to fight.

EDIT: Oops, forgot to check replies. You already essentially replied PD.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 01:08:47 PM
The existence of affirmative action is not to blame for our lack of a colorblind society, it's a symptom.

Spencer: I'm having a conversation about Ron Paul, as is everyone else on this page
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:09:01 PM
I sort of see his rationale as 'if you don't like the rules in this state move to another state' which I guess already happens in a sense.

benjipwns master's degree :bow2
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 01:13:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 01:08:47 PM
The existence of affirmative action is not to blame for our lack of a colorblind society, it's a symptom.
I can't actually speak further to Ron Paul's exact positions to respond to this but I can speak to a number of the standard libertarian arguments many of which Paul ascribes to, so please forgive me for hopping tracks slightly.

But, I think there would be no disagreement with that statement. The argument would be that yes, there's racism and it's shitty. But private sector government enforced affirmative action will not solve it and has far greater potential to make things worse. If the private sector wishes to undertake diversity programs or affirmative action or even quotas on its own, bully! It is just not the role of the government to interfere in the private actors affairs in such a manner.

As for the government, it should treat all people equally. And if it's being a racist dick it needs to get its shit kicked in and people thrown in jail. And its power reduced so it can't do that stuff anymore.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 01:17:46 PM
On a side note, I don't support racial AA although I recognize at one time it was necessary. And while there's still an all white, good ole boys club ceiling in many parts of the corporate and business world, things aren't nearly as bad as they once were.

I support AA based on income, especially with regard to college admissions.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:20:03 PM
I get what benjipwns and Spencer are saying. However government wouldn't have quota's either in Ron Paul's world just the best candidates regardless of sex and ethnicity. The whole downfall of the Libertarian ideal is the 'accident of birth'.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 01:31:04 PM
I apologize if I came off as saying otherwise. I don't believe that a libertarian government (any, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Matt Welch, John Stossell, Penn Jillette, whoever) would be made up of percentages that reflected the population as a whole. Its goal (stated if you wish) would be in the equal application of laws, not equal demographic distribution of political positions. And in any regard would be stripped back so far in what it did that quotas would be almost irrelevant anyway. But that gets us back to the standard critique.

PD, I (to offer my own direct opinion) agree that socioeconomic affirmative action should be the path forward. I've also seen a good amount of support for this in libertarian circles. In some cases (not just libertarian) I've seen socioeconomics with some form of geographical effects, so if you come out of inner Baltimore you are awarded even if you managed to get vouchered or scholarshipped into a private school or something similar. I'd be surprised if such a system or anything like it came into being nationwide before Sandra Day's deadline though. We're in a new era of deadlock like the 1850s probably.
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Post by: Himu on August 17, 2011, 01:33:18 PM
I don't think Ron Paul is racist. I just think that he has idealized in his own mind his own utopian naive world, that permeates just about every part of his rhetoric.

But that's a symptom of libertarian ideology as a whole which is why it appeals to so many goddamned college kids.

I support AA based on race, gender and economic status. The thing about AA is that people always bring race into it, when it's just one factor of AA. That tells me that race really DOES bother them. They never bring up that white women are the biggest benefactor of AA, not people of other races.

Double standards.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 01:31:04 PM
PD, I (to offer my own direct opinion) agree that socioeconomic affirmative action should be the path forward. I've also seen a good amount of support for this in libertarian circles. In some cases (not just libertarian) I've seen socioeconomics with some form of geographical effects, so if you come out of inner Baltimore you are awarded even if you managed to get vouchered or scholarshipped into a private school or something similar. I'd be surprised if such a system or anything like it came into being nationwide before Sandra Day's deadline though. We're in a new era of deadlock like the 1850s probably.
So there is such a thing as small 'l' libertarians? Would the AA be up to the control of the college or put into law?
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
I suppose you could say I'm a Ron Paul supporter since as noted he'll likely get my primary vote, and I doubt he's a racist, but I think it's fair game to criticize him for the at least borderline racist (if not outright) articles published in his newsletter. His position on Civil Rights is philosophically consistent (if we accept he is truthful in his ideological beliefs), those articles are not.

As for libertarianism and utopian nativity.

There's really two core camps of them like most any political sect.

There's the people who think if we just implement this overnight everything will be perfect forever and this is really our moment! The people are behind us!

And then there's the people who decided everything else is abject failure, will continue to be abject failure, and this is the least worst option. To be fair, this groups drifts towards the anarchy wing rather than the minarchist wing.

Jeez, sorry guys for so much libertarian related rambling on this page. :lol Ideological critiques is one of my areas or research (along with elections, the U.S. Constitution and other boring junk) and I lean towards the individualist wing (anarchism, libertarianism, etc.) if only because there's already so much socialist/Marxist/etc. attention. And we were talking about Ron Paul and such. Not that you give a shit about any of that stuff. I'm just sorta bored mainly, and you guys are less rabid and more laid back than many places.
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:38:33 PM
So there is such a thing as small 'l' libertarians? Would the AA be up to the control of the college or put into law?
Well, yeah, there are. It's a much smaller group than the "lesser of two evils" libertarians from my estimate. But you can find them.

From a libertarian standpoint, and I am somewhat painting with a broad brush, I would say that if the colleges were private that would obviously be up to them. But of course, in a "true" libertarian system there would be no public colleges. From what I referenced, I don't want to say it was most, but a good amount would have essentially in a more practical situation allowed the public colleges to decide on their own. But since many boards are often appointed or elected I would imagine there would be at least likely be some kind of statewide standards. It's really more of a incremental position, in terms of "we want only private colleges, we will have public colleges, this is a step in the right direction" more than a hard-line ideological position.
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Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL
[It] not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife

God damn, but that's super-disingenuous of the good doctor.  He acts like the only part of the CRA was Title VII, and that his only objection is practical.  Let's not forget that the other big objection from libertarians was the prohibition of discrimination in public accommodations.  Paul's position is that restaurants, theatres, hotels, etc. should have been allowed to continue "Whites Only" policies if they so chose.

No, scratch that.  His position is that racist shopkeepers are entitled to the services of taxpayer-funded police, who would forcibly remove black would-be customers and arrest them for trespass.

If anyone wants to compare racial strife in 2011 with 1963, be my guest.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 01:52:03 PM
On the contrary I like your well thought out positions since you're a junior you haven't got caught up with the personality clashes JayDubya and drew have.
Title: trololol
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 01:59:51 PM
Dr. Paul, in one of your newsletters, it said that black teenagers are "unbelievably fleet of foot."  Would you care to elaborate?

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I see.  Interesting.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-10/politics/paul.newsletters_1_newsletters-blacks-whites?_s=PM:POLITICS
In his interview with CNN, Paul said that's language he would never use. "People who know me, nobody is going to believe this," he said. "That's just not my language. It's not my life."

He added, "Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Ghandi, they're the heroes [of my life]."

Matt Welch, the editor-in-chief of "Reason" magazine who shares some of Paul's beliefs on big government, says he has never heard the congressman make racist comments like those in the newsletters.

"What I think some people are looking for him to do is to say, 'OK, who wrote that?' I mean, there's 20 years, give or take, worth of newsletters there," Welch said.

Paul said the editor of publications "is responsible for daily activities." But he also cited "transition" and "changes" and said that some people were hired to write stories "but I didn't know their names."

The presidential hopeful described the newsletter revelations as a "rehash" of old material dug up by his opponents because he is gaining ground with black voters due to his stance against the war in Iraq and the war on drugs.

"I am the anti-racist because I am the only candidate -- Republican or Democrat -- who would protect the minority against these vicious drug laws," he said.

"Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."
So basically "Ron Paul is a racist' has already been brought up, he has denied any knowledge and a lolworthy last quote.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 03:59:53 PM
The unofficial claim from the Ron Paul camp four years ago was that basically he had nothing to do with the newsletter but "left" his name on it and that it was more or less Lew Rockwell people who were writing it. (If you don't know about some of these types, basically the summary is that at one point they argued from a base historical perspective that the Civil War was unconstitutional and that Lincoln had no power to keep states in the Union (a potentially valid argument!), and well you know who that started to attract (you see how this went downhill!), then some other anarchists got in and well, they're still better than the Objectivist cult so they have that going for them!)

Essentially his defense is: "I started the newsletter under my name and ignored it for like 20 years" which we can all agree is airtight and that no politicians would ever care about things being written with their name attached.

But this is like Mupepe and others were talking about. His statement about libertarianism and racism and collectivism make sense if you get the core of libertarianism as a philosophy. It doesn't answer the charge in any clear way though. I mean he could easily say something like "those were written by staffers/whoever, upon learning about them they were dismissed and I condemn those words" and then go into how his principles reject racism and individualism blah blah blah. Then it gets reported as "Paul rejects racist articles" instead of "Paul published racist articles" and then on the fifth paragraph "Paul hates racism because he's a wacko who thinks people are individuals." But instead he just does the principles thing and the "proper defense" (define as you will) was all done in anonymous sources.

To be fair to Ron, it's not as bad as the John Edwards thing last time around.  :lol
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
Yeah I guess Ron Paul is operating in a world of pure theories rather than experience hence his 'clarifications'.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 04:20:41 PM
That is part of his appeal though.

Gary Johnson is more or less Ron Paul with "practical" and incremental policies. Plus being pro-choice and more favorable to the federal government defending liberties that Paul may leave to the states.

Further Disclosure: I endorse and will vote for Gary Johnson if he still is around when the time comes, even though the vote is worthless.

Blatant spamming from a while back, an example of why: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/07/johnson.legalize.pot/
http://reason.com/archives/1999/12/01/general-consternation
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/20/magazine/he-just-said-no-to-the-drug-war.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Sorry for the links, I don't just endorse him because of drugs, but I think those pieces speak to his overall philosophy. Hope this isn't a big deal, just thought I'd disclose again who my "guy" is.
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Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 04:26:45 PM
Yeah I think I understand. He sort of has the 'hope' thing Barack Obama had. Instead of the messy compromises of the Republicans and Democrats he gives people a clean worldview where self-interest garners mutual benefit. Solitaire et de la Solidarité as the French say. 
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 04:26:45 PM
Yeah I think I understand. He sort of has the 'hope' thing Barack Obama had. Instead of the messy compromises of the Republicans and Democrats he gives people a clean worldview where self-interest garners mutual benefit. Solitaire et de la Solidarité as the French say. 
I agree but maybe not in the way you may think (I honestly don't know, my opinion only follows) but I felt (and feel in most elections) that people ascribe a lot of their views to a candidate even if they differ. Just for example back in 2004 I knew this Kerry fanatic (yes, it was even strange back then) who was convinced he would immediately end the wars and the Patriot Act even though Kerry voted for both and was campaigning on winning the war on terror harder. (Obviously a campaign ploy, but we can only speculate as to what he'd have done.) I think there was a lot of that, at least in the media and in the people I knew about Obama. And there is also that about Paul.

Even people I talk to who agree that Paul is great (however that may be defined) they reject and get upset when I mention that he should just be seen as a veto machine as that's all he'll get. Republican or Democratic Congress. I heard similar stuff from Obama supporters. I don't mean that youtube clip of the woman who said he'd pay for her gas and everything. But there were otherwise smart people who seriously thought he would be some kind of generational change policy wise.

That said, there is to Paul, and there was to Obama, a bit of a sense that, these people are rejecting the status quo that we hate!
Crappy examples:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

I think a legitimate third party run would do well in the next few elections. Like Perot, had he not dropped out and claimed a conspiracy.

But there's really nobody to do that third party run.  :-\
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 04:46:40 PM
So Paul supporters, if Paul became president you honestly think he could govern? Both parties wouldn't support his agenda. He'd be able to do things that don't involve congress, like pull troops out of Iraq/Afghanistan/stop bombing Libya/etc which would rock, but much of his domestic agenda would not be viable. Unless he was willing to compromise, which he hasn't done over the last what, 30 years?

You guys would be like us Obama semi-supporters, upset with bipartisan deals and shit
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 05:03:19 PM
I don't regret voting for him, and will vote for him again. But his presidency has been a massive disappointment, and if the republican party wasn't insane I'd have few problems with him losing.
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Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 05:03:19 PM
his presidency has been a massive disappointment

I don't regret voting for him, and will vote for him again

Why?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 05:03:19 PM
his presidency has been a massive disappointment

I don't regret voting for him, and will vote for him again

Why?

Because he's the only viable, sane candidate in the race; Romney used to be rather sensible, and I think he wouldn't be too offensive as president with a divided government BUT he's being advised by Robert fucking Bork. I'd rather have Obama choosing SC justices than Romney or (especially) Perry.

I think purging the party of blue dogs and corporate democrats is more important to 2012 than supporting Obama. He can raise his billion dollars without my help.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
Then why bother to vote?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 17, 2011, 05:34:08 PM
i agree, please don't
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 17, 2011, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
Then why bother to vote?

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Because he's the only viable, sane candidate in the race

 ???

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 05:42:16 PM
I agree, just pick randomly, it won't matter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 05:33:20 PM
Then why bother to vote?
Because it's a right too many people died for to take lightly?

Obama has done some things I like, I'm not saying he has done nothing I approve of. And I recognize congress has neutered much of what he has done and can do in the future. While I don't think he can magically change things with a speech, I simply would have liked a president more willing to fight and take stands, even ones that *gasp* are unpopular or hard. I know Mandark and others disagree with that assessment but I stand by that.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
I can hear it now, 'Obama more of the same' or 'Back to Barack'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2011, 06:29:03 PM
the conversations about ron paul re: race always make me lol because paul supporters constantly chastize others for not being better informed and yet they show that they lack BASIC knowledge about u.s. history
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 06:36:30 PM
Now being serious just because benjipwns has a masters in political science and history but is a Ron Paul supporter does not mean that he automatically invalidates your assumption. History and politics is vastly subjective and benjipwns may be ideologically and psychologically sub servant to a number of factors we do not know about that may colour his judgement. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2011, 06:40:16 PM
...do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 17, 2011, 06:47:58 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on August 17, 2011, 06:40:16 PM
...do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about?

Fresh prince might have been capable of articulating his ideas more clearly but

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2011, 12:34:03 PM
EDIT: However, I agree that Ron Paul will never win a major party nomination or the Presidency. Sorry. :lol Didn't mean to quibble but it was my Masters in Political Science and History coming out. /more-than-beyond-worthless-elitist-credentials :smug
Yes I do. Do you?

Also you of all people confusing 'political correctness' with 'conspiracy theories' have a right to talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 06:51:44 PM

Yes I do.

...

Also you of all people confusing 'political correctness' with 'conspiracy theories' have a right to talk.

??? no, i dont think you do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 06:58:06 PM
benjipwns has a masters in history
benjipwns supports Ron Paul
you said Ron Paul supporters don't know BASIC history
benipwns by PD terms invalidates your theory
I say history is subjective

Also My F*cking Grandpa is a bitch because he won't fight me in PMs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 07:02:07 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 07:07:21 PM
Guys I'm bored and I love to argue, so come at me bros.

You Americans lack the ability to think on your feet. It's why you take half a day to have comebacks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 17, 2011, 07:08:18 PM
Haven't seen someone this butt hurt since you know who was you know what in the digital realm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2011, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 06:58:06 PM
benjipwns has a masters in history
benjipwns supports Ron Paul
you said Ron Paul supporters don't know BASIC history
benipwns by PD terms invalidates your theory
I say history is subjective

Also My F*cking Grandpa is a bitch because he won't fight me in PMs

Positive Touch is a community college dropout yet is still sees how this makes zero goddamn sense
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 07:10:46 PM
Fuck you're distinguished mentally-challenged. drew was right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 17, 2011, 07:12:03 PM
Quote from: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 07:07:21 PM
You Americans lack the ability to think on your feet. It's why you take half a day to have comebacks.

where are you from?  i guess i sort of assume everyone is from the states unless they say otherwise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 17, 2011, 07:14:20 PM
Obama is a pretty crappy President but holy shit at who he is up against.

At first, I was planning to vote for nobody or some Green party throwaway but I think I'll vote for him next year.  It won't be so much holding my nose as it is hoping that I don't vomit right then and there but I'll vote for him all the same.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on August 17, 2011, 07:08:18 PM
Haven't seen someone this butt hurt since you know who was you know what in the digital realm.
What if I enjoy it? You're a bitch you can't even argue strongly. You walk away and take half a day quoting me out of context to come up with an argument. You're shit. Your reply is 'You're mad'. Is that the best you can do, My F*cking Grandpa? Maybe you're mad too. No I don't think what is it with you. Karl Jaspers. Existentialist? First world problems. If there's anybody more useless than a certified existentialist.

Australia, drew. Maybe it's the Westminster system where we actually debate things that gives rise to our combative nature.
[youtube=560,345]roIeVEf5alk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
nobody's really arguing with each you because you dont seem like you can come up with a coherent rebuttal

and lol at complaining about response times.  sometimes people have other shit to do in their lives, derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 17, 2011, 07:35:47 PM
I'd love to hear more of your opinions about 20th century philosophy but I just have to get through reading all the credible, certified positions first. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 07:39:47 PM
That did sting  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fresh Prince on August 17, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
You know what's worse My F*cking Grandpa? I gather you're a professional existentialist. What did you study? Psychology or Philosophy? Like you actually spent money on that shit. I imagine you in a black skivee and beret, 'My life it is so meaningless. I must go to college to discover the meaningless of my meaningless. This sex I have is just for a moment is so meaningless. This food that I eat is so meaningless. This post that I will reply to is so meaningless. This MacPro that I type on is so meaningless. Everything is so meaningless. I wish there was a way to stop this meaningless'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2011, 08:35:20 PM
I feel like the last couple pages should be separated from this thread and reserved for the dysfunctional hall of fame.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2011, 10:51:51 PM
The beginning and end of the discussion re: supporting Ron Paul should just really be one question:  After the past 30+ years, can you please explain using empirical evidence how further deregulation of the economy by the federal government will be beneficial to society at large? 

After the supporter's eyes cross and they start stammering crap about the evils of government, they should be shot and their families should be sterilized, to make sure the stupid doesn't fucking spread.  End of the goddamn discussion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2011, 11:12:34 PM
Lemme just say that benjipwns is a revelation: the first person I've e-met who likes Ron Paul, but whose first instinct when those newsletters come up isn't damage control.  Which probably has a bit to do with him being aware of libertarian politics before Paul swooped in.

If I were in a fringe political group (you know, other than the one I'm actually part of) that, for purely non-bigoted ideological reasons, entailed opposition for some of the most revered victories of the civil rights movement, I would be really fucking mindful about keeping the stain of racism away from my movement.  Rockwell's approach at times has been just the opposite, with the logic that such a small faction needs all the help it can get, but if you're willing to tolerate that sort of thing then you need to accept the consequences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 18, 2011, 10:27:32 AM
Quick question, what does everyone think on the proposed changes to military retirement? 

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Military_Retirement_Pay_May_Be_Chaged_127800923.html

As someone who's seen firsthand the effects of 20 years in the military and what these people and their families go through, I think it's playing with fire.  But I'm a bit biased I guess after seeing how my Dad and other family members were treated and how it fucked up their life. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2011, 04:39:03 PM
I hate stuff like that, cause it forces me to quantify exactly how important something is.

On one hand, a defined-benefit lifetime pension after 20 years of work is super-generous by most modern standards and will rack up the costs real quick: you could retire by 40.

On the other, soldiers get paid to get fucking shot at!  So I dunno.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 18, 2011, 04:54:52 PM
That's how I feel.  Their duties deserve generous benefits but it is expensive as hell in a time when you're trying to cut costs. 

But I don't think it's just their duty, but also the effects it has on their personal life.  It's a really difficult issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 04:58:10 PM
Full benefits and they shouldn't have to pay taxes

PD 2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 18, 2011, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 18, 2011, 05:07:46 PM
Not to sound "unpatriotic" but it's not like we have a draft. These people volunteered.
That's another point. A lot of them joined for the benefits. Watch enlistments drop like a rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: Spencer on August 18, 2011, 05:07:46 PM
Not to sound "unpatriotic" but it's not like we have a draft. These people volunteered.

The idea is to honor their service and ensure more continue to enlist and re-enlist, in part so we don't need a draft. It's baffling that these types of cuts are on the block but wasteful defense spending/contracts are not. Or tax increases for the rich for that matter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2011, 05:22:37 PM
Cutting military pensions amounts to a tax increase on retired soldiers. Good jon, Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2011, 05:25:32 PM
Quote from: The Business on August 18, 2011, 05:24:07 PM
It just doesn't make any sense

WELCOME TO AMERICA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 05:36:40 PM
Yea you're right. But still, you'd think this would be a bigger story at least, and cause some outrage. Instead the media is talking about Obama's vacation, his bus, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2011, 05:43:45 PM
History tends to show that the powerless only get power when they threaten the powerful with violence, or make them look really shitty to a bunch of people.  Sad but true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 18, 2011, 06:02:59 PM
An admitted bias of self-interest, but I absolutely believe that those whose career is to run towards gunfire (or burning buildings) rather than away from it absolutely deserve good, secure pensions.  Plus the effects of said careers on one's psyche/personal life, as Mups mentioned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 18, 2011, 08:28:29 PM
It just blows my mind that military pensions are even on the table, when we're acquiring multibillion dollar missile deals that we'll never get to use.

Fuck, just raise taxes to 50%+ at the top bracket like what should have happened in 2009.  These fucks want to return to the 1950s so badly, let them pay 1950s era tax rates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 09:10:16 PM
[youtube=560,345]nr2YMncb6JE[/youtube]
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 18, 2011, 09:14:40 PM
I believe when a bill is actually introduced to Congress to cut military pensions there will be a shitstorm. I can promise that this is an issue I'll go and protest for.
Title: Throw out the bums! Well, *your* bums.
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
Re: "wasteful" military spending.

Keeping a standing army around that's larger than what we need to deter an invasion is just as "wasteful" as outside contracts/new weapons system boondoggles.  And cutting out the pork would put a financial strain on a lot of working people, just as cutting military retirement benefits would.

It's very different on a gut level, because of what soldiers are asked to do and because everyone knows somebody in the military.  We can empathize with them, while the corporations (even though they're employing a ton of people) are abstracted.

Which I think explains what Spencer's saying about the widespread belief that the system is corrupt.  Almost everyone seems to disapprove of Congress and vague "special interests", but a ton of people who get special benefits from the government (SS, Medicare, the mortgage deduction, people in a ton of favored industries) don't see themselves as beneficiaries, and would consider it hugely unfair if they were to lose out.

So you can't really expect a big, coherent, popular political movement to arise from that mistrust, and it would be a bigger mistake to interpret that discontent as validation of or support for any particular political program.
Title: Re: Throw out the bums! Well, *your* bums.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 11:09:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 18, 2011, 10:59:46 PM
Re: "wasteful" military spending.

Keeping a standing army around that's larger than what we need to deter an invasion is just as "wasteful" as outside contracts/new weapons system boondoggles.  And cutting out the pork would put a financial strain on a lot of working people, just as cutting military retirement benefits would.

It's very different on a gut level, because of what soldiers are asked to do and because everyone knows somebody in the military.  We can empathize with them, while the corporations (even though they're employing a ton of people) are abstracted.

Which I think explains what Spencer's saying about the widespread belief that the system is corrupt.  Almost everyone seems to disapprove of Congress and vague "special interests", but a ton of people who get special benefits from the government (SS, Medicare, the mortgage deduction, people in a ton of favored industries) don't see themselves as beneficiaries, and would consider it hugely unfair if they were to lose out.

So you can't really expect a big, coherent, popular political movement to arise from that mistrust, and it would be a bigger mistake to interpret that discontent as validation of or support for any particular political program.

Actually it's not even close..
http://comptroller.defense.gov/budget.html

The amount spent on weapons systems and R&D (which is classified) alone dwarf what's spent on maintaining soldiers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Wasteful in terms of utility for yer dollar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 11:21:38 PM
Nah man, I've waited too long to get you on a hook with facts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2011, 11:52:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2011, 11:21:38 PM
Nah man, I've waited too long to get you on a hook with facts.

Are you going to stay in the thread and demand that Mandark admit it?  Uh huh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2011, 01:02:41 AM
Shlep for me, god dammit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2011, 01:18:34 AM
Well, personnel costs are way more than R&D costs, but you I imagine you could easily switch that by including some definition of "weapons systems".  So sure, 10 points to Hufflepuff.

The point is avoiding the idea that some kind of easily and painlessly eliminated "waste" is the only thing putting pressure on the military budget.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2011, 01:33:06 AM
That's a good point. The strain is undeniable, and as the military expands it gets worse. But as it's unlikely military personnel will decrease significantly over the next few years (unless DADT's end scares them away!), the more logical/effective way to cut spending would be by cutting wasteful no bid contracts and over budget weapons programs. The enemy the US has been fighting for the last decade has no state, navy, air force, etc. China spends a shit ton on their military but they're still far behind us in nearly every way that matters. Nor is war with China (or Russia) even likely/practical for either side. We don't have to handicap ourselves, but there's no point in continuing to run up the score either.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2011, 03:11:34 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/18/palin-obama-very-tone-deaf-with-vacation/?hpt=po_bn1

Didn't this attention whoring grifter, you know, QUIT her job as Gov. of I-Can-See-Russia-From-My-Porch?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2011, 03:39:41 AM
So have any of these republicans been confronted with Bush and Reagan's 120-160 vacation days through the exact same points of their terms, compared to..you know...Obama's 61.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 19, 2011, 08:35:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2011, 03:39:41 AM
So have any of these republicans been confronted with Bush and Reagan's 120-160 vacation days through the exact same points of their terms, compared to..you know...Obama's 61.

Bush was still working hard, he just needed some time away from the milieu of Washington to work on some secret plans to save America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2011, 10:05:54 AM
that brush wouldn't clear itself :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 19, 2011, 03:44:32 PM
John Stewart's World of Class Warfare

Part 1: http://www.hulu.com/watch/269536/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-world-of-class-warfare-warren-buffett-vs-wealthy-conservatives

Part 2: http://www.hulu.com/watch/269537/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-world-of-class-warfare-the-poors-free-ride-is-over
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2011, 08:39:28 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 19, 2011, 03:44:32 PM
John Stewart's World of Class Warfare

Part 1: http://www.hulu.com/watch/269536/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-world-of-class-warfare-warren-buffett-vs-wealthy-conservatives

Part 2: http://www.hulu.com/watch/269537/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-world-of-class-warfare-the-poors-free-ride-is-over

Saw that and wanted to laugh but realized that it's going to be common wisdom* in about two months


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2011, 11:19:02 PM
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/2011strawpoll6.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 20, 2011, 12:01:03 AM
What does it say!?  Her hand is covering some of the letters!

Seriously, I think Ron Paul would make a great pro wrestling manager.  He could refer to himself as "The Ronstitution" and give the same unhinged rants he normally does with minimal tweaks. while wearing a feather boa and spangled cowboy hat.

There's also probably a Tony Atlas Shrugged joke to be mined.



Green Man:  Depends on your state!  Just google your state name and Voter Registeration Card Replacement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2011, 12:09:46 AM
[youtube=560,345]IhxwJnPbzt4[/youtube]

Gotta give the man dap sometimes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2011, 12:25:00 AM
Our history of involvement with Iran really is rather depressing, and eye-opening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 20, 2011, 12:29:03 AM
Yes, but to admit to it would mean that America screwed up, and if you say America is anything other than absolutely perfect, obviously you hate America and are a traitor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 20, 2011, 12:56:45 AM
Woulda been the biggest in total dollars, not accounting for population growth or inflation or marginal rate.  It's on par with "Reagan lowered taxes and revenues went up!" and a gazillion other things.  Can't even get worked up over that sort of stuff anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 20, 2011, 02:30:09 AM
Warren Buffet paid (after deductions) 7 mil in taxes for 2010. (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-warren-buffett-taxes-203903366.html)

7 mil from the 2nd richest dude on the planet goes into the American tax coffers.  Seven million out of the BILLIONS (http://www.news.com.au/business/buffett-reaps-10b-on-goldman/story-fn7mjon9-1226024756889) earned by him last year.  Isn't that really fucking fucked up?

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but when this dude says "Tax me more" why on earth shouldn't anybody listen?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 20, 2011, 02:36:08 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 20, 2011, 02:30:09 AM
Warren Buffet paid (after deductions) 7 mil in taxes for 2010. (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-warren-buffett-taxes-203903366.html)

7 mil from the 2nd richest dude on the planet goes into the American tax coffers.  Seven million out of the BILLIONS (http://www.news.com.au/business/buffett-reaps-10b-on-goldman/story-fn7mjon9-1226024756889) earned by him last year.  Isn't that really fucking fucked up?

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but when this dude says "Tax me more" why on earth shouldn't anybody listen?

Because Buffet is clearly senile. By ignoring him, we're doing the poor man a favor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on August 20, 2011, 04:26:39 AM
every time I think I'm kinda over politics yahoo sucks me right back in.  :'(

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on August 20, 2011, 01:48:07 PM
(http://www.misfitopia.com/uploads/1250621854/gallery_1_1_11337.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on August 20, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 19, 2011, 03:44:32 PM
John Stewart's World of Class Warfare

and here is where we all pretend that there aren't people out there who game the system
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 20, 2011, 04:05:42 PM
Poor people are having fraudulent welfare checks funneled to them via ACORN to fund their black flag operations against Second Amendment rights to weaken armed resistance to the transition to Sharia law, which will allow fatwas in favor of gay marriage so that same-sex couples can confiscate our children and forcibly vaccinate them against HPV.

:spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 20, 2011, 11:12:45 PM
who cares if people are gaming the system? why look at the folks below you, when you should be worrying about those above you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 21, 2011, 12:57:50 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 20, 2011, 11:12:45 PM
who cares if people are gaming the system? why look at the folks below you, when you should be worrying about those above you?

But why would a rich person want to game the system if they're already rich?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 21, 2011, 02:24:43 AM
capital gets lonely, bro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 21, 2011, 03:00:49 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 21, 2011, 02:24:43 AM
capital gets lonely, bro

But why would rich people be greedy, though? They're honorable, like the noble samurai before them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2011, 03:58:26 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/08/21/300395/huntsman-slams-perry-again-on-climate-and-evolution-wrong-side-of-science/

Huntsman won't last long, but mucho respect  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2011, 12:43:02 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-maxine-waters-tells-the-tea-party-to-go-straight-to-hell-at-heated-california-town-hall/

:bow

Sadly, Breitbart's gonna have a field day with this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2011, 12:51:23 AM
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Many of the same Republicans who fought hammer-and-tong to keep the George W. Bush-era income tax cuts from expiring on schedule are now saying a different "temporary" tax cut should end as planned. By their own definition, that amounts to a tax increase.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44218846/ns/politics/#.TlFzoai4Jl3

:spin

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"It's always a net positive to let taxpayers keep more of what they earn," says Rep. Jeb Hensarling, "but not all tax relief is created equal for the purposes of helping to get the economy moving again." The Texas lawmaker is on the House GOP leadership team.

"Tax increases for filthy poors is perfectly fine, but distinguished rich folk need more money."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 22, 2011, 12:52:06 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 22, 2011, 01:40:24 AM
People get older and start families and have bills to pay. Some of them get greedy and don't want to help others. I know people who have this outlook on the world. They're more concerned with looking out for their own with no regard to the rest of society.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2011, 01:41:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 22, 2011, 01:40:24 AM
[shrug] People get older and start families and have bills to pay. Some of them get greedy and don't want to help others. [/shrug]

How does that answer the question?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 01:55:57 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 22, 2011, 01:08:11 AM
Why we still got conservatives?

Serious question.

I am 100% convinced that smart people cannot be Republicans at this point in history.

Being a conservative and being a republican aren't the same thing. People have differing ideological positions on government, it's not surprising. Some people genuinely don't believe government should have a role in everyday life, and believe in low taxes/regulation to stimulate growth. Nothing wrong with that, I just disagree with them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 02:21:53 AM
It's damn near impossible to make a case for American movement conservatism that isn't morally or intellectually embarrassing, but I wouldn't say smart people can't vote Republican, or that voting Democrat is an indicator of intelligence.

Our environments make us and politics isn't an exception.  If you're raised explicitly liberal, or with values that lend themselves to liberalism, then you're probably going to wind up liberal whether you're a genius or a dunce.  Ditto conservatism.  If you're "smart" then you'll just be better at justifying your opinions and scoring rhetorical points if you ever have to argue them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 22, 2011, 02:31:59 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 22, 2011, 02:30:07 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 01:55:57 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 22, 2011, 01:08:11 AM
Why we still got conservatives?

Serious question.

I am 100% convinced that smart people cannot be Republicans at this point in history.

Being a conservative and being a republican aren't the same thing. People have differing ideological positions on government, it's not surprising. Some people genuinely don't believe government should have a role in everyday life, and believe in low taxes/regulation to stimulate growth. Nothing wrong with that, I just disagree with them.

There are some regulations that could probably be trimmed (mostly at the state level), but wanting to repeal Dodd-Frank or the Credit Card Users Bill of Rights, or wanting to get rid of the CFPB is sheer lunacy after 2008.

Anyway, I'm only talking about modern Republicans. I guess there are still a few decent ones, like Mitch Daniels, but the whole party has swung so hard to the right over the past few years that I feel like someone like Daniels could almost run as Democrats in this current climate.

I grew up hardcore Republican, with an extended family that used "liberal" basically as a synonym for "evil". I was even something of a Bush apologist for the first few years of his Presidency.

At this point though, I just don't see how an independent thinker could do it. There are so many mental gymnastics you'd have to go through to convince yourself that today's Republican party has your interests at heart if you're not a millionaire.

A lot of people think they're going to be millionaires someday, so they're thinking of their future interests. It's crazy, I know, but two of my good friends* think this way.

*They are also the guys who waste 75% of their work day fucking around on Wikipedia. Yeah, millionaires in the making.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 02:39:43 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2011, 12:51:23 AM
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Many of the same Republicans who fought hammer-and-tong to keep the George W. Bush-era income tax cuts from expiring on schedule are now saying a different "temporary" tax cut should end as planned. By their own definition, that amounts to a tax increase.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44218846/ns/politics/#.TlFzoai4Jl3

:spin

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"It's always a net positive to let taxpayers keep more of what they earn," says Rep. Jeb Hensarling, "but not all tax relief is created equal for the purposes of helping to get the economy moving again." The Texas lawmaker is on the House GOP leadership team.

"Tax increases for filthy poors is perfectly fine, but distinguished rich folk need more money."

It should be allowed to expire. Its economic effect is debatable and it just expands the deficit - which will then be used to justify more draconian austerity. I'd rather see the income cap on social security lifted.

Mandark: agreed. (American) conservative movement is distilled ignorance, but doesn't damn conservatism in general.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 02:50:31 AM
You can define "conservatism" however you want, so sure, there are potential versions which are sane and coherent and honorable and all that good stuff.  But really quickly you get into No True Scotsman territory.

If you want to keep the conversation from getting completely hypothetical, and to keep it somewhat relevant to what's happening, I think it's okay if everyone just accepts "conservative" as the set of beliefs that are currently associated with the Republican party and its attendant institutions.  You know, so we can cut down on the typing without people saying "you mean the CRA of 1964?"


Also, letting the refundable credits expire is a bad idea.  Whatever their comparative effectiveness, they are expansionary.  Dropping them wouldn't shut up any of the people who are calling for immediate austerity; generally, the whole "take their ammo away" argument rarely works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 02:55:29 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 02:50:31 AM
Also, letting the refundable credits expire is a bad idea.  Whatever their comparative effectiveness, they are expansionary.  Dropping them wouldn't shut up any of the people who are calling for immediate austerity; generally, the whole "take their ammo away" argument rarely works.

Why is it a bad idea to let them expire?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 02:59:08 AM
Because we're in a liquidity trap1.


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[1] Krugman, pasim.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 03:16:29 AM
They essentially work as tax rebates, and while they might slightly raise consumer spending they offer little incentive to businesses to hire workers. I saw an article in the NY Times last month, can't find it right now, with an economist arguing that it could increase hiring and lower unemployment...but we've seen this general idea tried before with rather uneventful results.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 04:09:26 AM
According to Krugman/DeLong's explanation of Keynesian macroeconomics--which I'm inclined to believe because it 1) makes intuitive sense as explained to me, and 2) is the theoretical basis for all of Krugman's eerily accurate predictions--once you get to the zero lower bound in monetary policy and the economy still sucks, anything that the government can do to shove more money into the system is a Good Thing.

There's some bonus stuff about people actually benefiting from some extra cash during times of economic uncertainty and progressive cuts being more effective because the dirty poors are liquidity constrained, but that's really the heart of it.

See here (http://d-squareddigest.blogspot.com/2011/08/and-another-thing.html) and here (http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/2011/08/not-even-hulk-hogan-can-prevent-this.html).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
Yes, I get the premise and obviously wouldn't dismiss Krugman but I'm curious: based on this logic you would not support ending the Bush tax cuts correct (in our current economic situation)?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 22, 2011, 03:23:34 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/08/22/let-us-now-take-a-moment-to-praise-jon-huntsman

Quote from: The Stranger
Over the weekend, Jon Huntsman said this:

    The minute that the Republican Party becomes the party - the anti-science party, we have a huge problem. We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012. When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said, what the National Academy of Science - Sciences has said about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it, I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position.

Huntsman also went ballistic on his fellow Republican presidential candidates, calling them "fringe" candidates who have "zero substance." Do I think this helps Huntsman in the upcoming primaries? No, I don't. But I tell you this: In my ideal world, Jon Huntsman would be the Republican candidate for president in 2012, and there would be substantive debate about the things that matter along the way, providing Americans with a real choice for president in November.

The vision that Huntsman has for America—one in which Americans are free to live their lives the way they want, in which everyone has a shot at prosperity, in which government is there to help us out when we run out of choices—should be the baseline, the American concept that every candidate believes in. The argument should come in how we reach that goal. Every other Republican candidate is abandoning their responsibility to the country by arguing that baseline concept; they want to give us an every-man-for-himself America—and in a reasonable world, they would be the fringe candidates. I'm not saying I'd vote for Huntsman, but I do think that Huntsman would make Obama a better, and more Democratic, candidate.

I feel kind of bad for Huntsman. He knows he has no chance at winning the nomination and he gave up his ambassador position.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 22, 2011, 03:34:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
Yes, I get the premise and obviously wouldn't dismiss Krugman but I'm curious: based on this logic you would not support ending the Bush tax cuts correct (in our current economic situation)?

Wonk talk: Why not end them and reapportion that money into more effective policies?

Political talk: Let's end 'em now and get our house in order

Actual talk = wonk talk: let's end them, use the money towards programs that might save us from swirling down the drain, and then think about debt reduction, ala Clinton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 05:13:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
Yes, I get the premise and obviously wouldn't dismiss Krugman but I'm curious: based on this logic you would not support ending the Bush tax cuts correct (in our current economic situation)?

If I were godking, I scrap them and replace them with a massive public jobs program and free money for the poors.  But realistically, you gotta take politics into account.

Even the Bush cuts are a net positive for growth at a time like this, but it's a weak positive with a bunch of negatives if you're a liberal (funnels money towards the rich, might become semipermanent, could eventually lead to offsetting cuts/regressive tax hikes).  So you balance the short-term boost against the long term risks, taking into account what could realistically pass as a substitute.



So now I'm curious: what's the liberal case for ending a fiscally expansionary, progressive tax benefit with 9% unemployment and the threat of a second recession hovering over us?  If you mean it's not the most effective use of government money, you're probably right.  But I don't think you can just toss it and expect Super Congress or any half-GOP body to propose something better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 22, 2011, 05:23:43 PM
Honestly I watch the news and im not sure how works going to get done anymore. Everybody wants the president to just DO things but thats now how it works. I mean i'll grant that he could be more aggressive- but jobs bill or not, congress isnt passing shit unless its a bill that by all accounts is BAD for the economy.

fuhhhhh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 22, 2011, 06:16:07 PM
Congress does things, then it's up to the prez to make it official or not. And we all have seen how much the 111th has done.

Nutjob update: I'm sure Pat still wonders everyday why christ hasn't returned yet.
:piss [youtube=560,345]v-G45ucx7C8[/youtube] :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2011, 06:30:22 PM
Okay, I joke all the time about conservatives thinking that something like taxpayer funded wheelchairs would provide an incentive for people to willingly break their legs, but....

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108220030

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2011, 06:32:57 PM
Free wheelchairs!?!?!?!? Awesome, I'm gonna go jump off a bridge and break my legs then!

Here's another gem from the same guy:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201108220027
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 22, 2011, 07:02:19 PM
Rick Perry: Corporations are like disenfranchised black people in the Civil Rights era. (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/08/22/301253/rick-perry-compares-civil-rights-movement-to-gop-fight-for-lower-corporate-taxes/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 22, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on August 22, 2011, 05:23:43 PM
.

wait, what the fuck?!  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 23, 2011, 12:18:44 AM
Best line I've seen all day, from the WSJ comments section, in reference to this article: (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903596904576514552877388610.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_BelowLEFTSecond)

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Excellent article, let's hope our Universities recognize (and adjust accordingly) that intellectualism should not be embraced at the expense of common sense.

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 22, 2011, 05:13:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2011, 11:56:42 AM
Yes, I get the premise and obviously wouldn't dismiss Krugman but I'm curious: based on this logic you would not support ending the Bush tax cuts correct (in our current economic situation)?

If I were godking, I scrap them and replace them with a massive public jobs program and free money for the poors.  But realistically, you gotta take politics into account.

Even the Bush cuts are a net positive for growth at a time like this, but it's a weak positive with a bunch of negatives if you're a liberal (funnels money towards the rich, might become semipermanent, could eventually lead to offsetting cuts/regressive tax hikes).  So you balance the short-term boost against the long term risks, taking into account what could realistically pass as a substitute.



So now I'm curious: what's the liberal case for ending a fiscally expansionary, progressive tax benefit with 9% unemployment and the threat of a second recession hovering over us?  If you mean it's not the most effective use of government money, you're probably right.  But I don't think you can just toss it and expect Super Congress or any half-GOP body to propose something better.

I can't think of anything. Alternatives would fall in the same avenue of giving someone - be it employers or employees - tax credits. It hasn't worked, and I was just questioning the point in extending them when all they do is expand the deficit.

Short of Obama proclaiming himself dictator and passing another trillion dollar stimulus, I pretty much think we're fucked for the foreseeable future. Maybe the confidence fairy will save us in 2013 with President Perry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 23, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 22, 2011, 03:23:34 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/08/22/let-us-now-take-a-moment-to-praise-jon-huntsman

Quote from: The Stranger
Over the weekend, Jon Huntsman said this:

    The minute that the Republican Party becomes the party - the anti-science party, we have a huge problem. We lose a whole lot of people who would otherwise allow us to win the election in 2012. When we take a position that isn't willing to embrace evolution, when we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 of 100 climate scientists have said, what the National Academy of Science - Sciences has said about what is causing climate change and man's contribution to it, I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science, and, therefore, in a losing position.

Huntsman also went ballistic on his fellow Republican presidential candidates, calling them "fringe" candidates who have "zero substance." Do I think this helps Huntsman in the upcoming primaries? No, I don't. But I tell you this: In my ideal world, Jon Huntsman would be the Republican candidate for president in 2012, and there would be substantive debate about the things that matter along the way, providing Americans with a real choice for president in November.

The vision that Huntsman has for America—one in which Americans are free to live their lives the way they want, in which everyone has a shot at prosperity, in which government is there to help us out when we run out of choices—should be the baseline, the American concept that every candidate believes in. The argument should come in how we reach that goal. Every other Republican candidate is abandoning their responsibility to the country by arguing that baseline concept; they want to give us an every-man-for-himself America—and in a reasonable world, they would be the fringe candidates. I'm not saying I'd vote for Huntsman, but I do think that Huntsman would make Obama a better, and more Democratic, candidate.

I feel kind of bad for Huntsman. He knows he has no chance at winning the nomination and he gave up his ambassador position.

I posted an article on Huntsman earlier on this page and yeah, much respect but he won't get the nom, which is a shame because I find his words refreshing for a GOP politician.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
I hate to piss on everyone's parade, but a Huntsman administration would be so functionally similar to say, a Bachmann administration to make no difference.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 23, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 23, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
I hate to piss on everyone's parade, but a Huntsman administration would be so functionally similar to say, a Bachmann administration to make no difference.

I don't want him to win, but it's nice seeing one of the GOP candidates not go full-on-distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 23, 2011, 07:54:20 PM
The GOP is currently being held hostage by the teatards.  The few relatively sane Republicans risk losing their seats if they're not a Bachmann or a Palin like conservative.  A Huntsman or Romney can say all the reasonable things they want but they won't gain much traction without spewing about hard earned tax dollars going to black welfare queens.  If not, there is always a teabagger waiting to beat them out in a primary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2011, 09:40:05 PM
A Huntsman administration would BE a Bachman administration :teehee
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/8718799/US-election-2012-Jon-Huntsman-would-consider-being-Michele-Bachmanns-running-mate.html

oh how the mighty have falled
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 24, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
gin and tacos goes in hard on obama

http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/08/24/fox-hen-house/

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A quick summary of why I never got on board with ObamaMania and why, at its top dollar best, our political system today can produce a reformer about as radical as William Howard Taft. Shorter title: This is why we are so fucked.

News item, July 13, 2011: "Immelt: Obama jobs council devising plans for job creation." General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt was the logical choice to serve as Barack Obama's "jobs czar" – who knows more about creating jobs than the CEOs of large, multinational corporations?

News item, July 25, 2011: "GE Moves 115 Year Old X-Ray Unit to China." See? Look at all of the jobs he created. In China. By closing something that has been in Waukesha, WI for more than a century. To "tap growth" in China. And these aren't the kind of pull-the-lever-on-the-kick-press jobs that we keep being told are fated to go overseas because they involve no skill. These are exactly the kind of high-tech buzzword jobs that Obama won't shut the hell up about, excepting the absence of "green" in the description.

This. This is why Barack Obama is a failure of colossal proportions and why I don't want to hear any of the half-assed excuses about how everything that has happened to him is the fault of nasty Republicans, stupid voters, and the like. He's a failure because despite what many of you managed to convince yourselves in 2008, he's just another smiling face in a long line of corporatist whores that have rotted what used to be a somewhat liberal party from within and left us with a political system offering little but the illusion of choice.

For the last decade, many people who study political participation have speculated that 1996 and 2000 might have been the nadir of voter turnout and interest in politics in the U.S. The 1996 election in particular was contested during a strong economy between two candidates no one much cared for. Increased turnout was observed in 2004 and again in 2008. I can't wait to see 2012. We're going to see campaigns spending previously unfathomable amounts of money in an effort to fire up voting bases whose attitudes toward the candidates range from boredom to white-hot anger.

Tell me something: where is that wave of energy and enthusiasm that swept Obama into office in 2008 going to come from in 2012, with the President owning two wars that didn't end (plus a third that just started), the Teabagger austerity agenda that he endorsed wholeheartedly, and supporters already resorting to arguments of last resort like, "Well, he's better than the alternative." On the Republican side the nominee will either be a semi-sane candidate who the base will hate (see: McCain) or a lunatic for whom sane people will be too embarrassed to vote. That record voter turnout in 2008 could turn into record lows in a single election cycle.

Aside from the half-assed health care reform that he allowed insurance companies to write, what has Barack Obama accomplished to encourage – or even mildly please – his core supporters? The Immelt appointment as Jobs Czar and the vignette about GE's job growth plan for China is a good representation of what Obama is all about: repeatedly, naively believing that untrustworthy people – Teabaggers, John Boehner, CEOs of companies that pay no taxes and employ 60% of their workforce outside of the U.S. – will work with him "in good faith" if he uses a lot of soaring rhetoric and asks them nicely enough. He seems fundamentally incapable of realizing that these people do not like him and do not care about his interests or those of anyone but themselves. And so they break it off in his ass, not occasionally but every single time.

The alternative hypothesis is that he fundamentally agrees with a corporate, Wall Street friendly version of liberalism (aka Moderate Republicanism) or, even worse, he is essentially a Manchurian Candidate right-winger. I find that possibility so disheartening that I prefer to believe that he is stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
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Aside from the half-assed health care reform that he allowed insurance companies to write, what has Barack Obama accomplished to encourage – or even mildly please – his core supporters? The Immelt appointment as Jobs Czar and the vignette about GE's job growth plan for China is a good representation of what Obama is all about: repeatedly, naively believing that untrustworthy people – Teabaggers, John Boehner, CEOs of companies that pay no taxes and employ 60% of their workforce outside of the U.S. – will work with him "in good faith" if he uses a lot of soaring rhetoric and asks them nicely enough. He seems fundamentally incapable of realizing that these people do not like him and do not care about his interests or those of anyone but themselves. And so they break it off in his ass, not occasionally but every single time.

sad but true
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2011, 12:22:47 PM
Yeah, pretty much agree w/ Ed for the most part.  I gave money and volunteered for Obama in 2008, and while I will probably drag my ass to the polls to vote for him in 2012 the only way I could see myself giving a shit and trying to get him reelected is if Bachmann is the candidate and it looked like she might win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 24, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
I know its hard, very hard to get excited about choosing the lesser of two evils.  But even the less awful choice is always vastly preferable to the most terrible one.

Basically its like if Sophie's Choice was about choosing not if one child dies but if both do.  It sucks but you still gotta go with what sucks less.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2011, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
It hasn't worked, and I was just questioning the point in extending them when all they do is expand the deficit.

It's a mistake to think of a policy in binary terms, especially emergency economic measures.  They all have marginal effects, and you throw out everything that doesn't by itself restore the US to full employment then you'll wind up doing a lot of unnecessary harm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2011, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 24, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
gin and tacos goes in hard on obama

http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/08/24/fox-hen-house/

Sigh.

That article is kinda dumb, kinda wrong, and kinda just a repetition of the last couple years of netroots talking points.  Not a knock on Eric, but thanks to Oblivion and PD I'm a bit tired of being the designated fact-checker in this thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2011, 05:05:47 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 24, 2011, 03:19:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2011, 02:53:03 PM
It hasn't worked, and I was just questioning the point in extending them when all they do is expand the deficit.

It's a mistake to think of a policy in binary terms, especially emergency economic measures.  They all have marginal effects, and you throw out everything that doesn't by itself restore the US to full employment then you'll wind up doing a lot of unnecessary harm.

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/economic-news/blog/daily-money/payroll-tax-cut-time-to-worry/2925/

I don't know what else can be said about it besides "it doesn't work/there's little evidence that it works." That's not a binary take on economic policy, it's an observed point on effectiveness. That article is rather snarky and breezes over an important point: costs are going up, so having extra money in your paycheck is a good thing - we agree there. But thus far we've seen consumer spending increase by less than 1%, and the GDP numbers aren't improved. And then there's the example of this being done under the Bush admin when the economy was better, and it also didn't produce the expected results.

So what we're stuck with is another tax cut that is supposed to provide a boost to the economy right now while racking up debt later - and in this case taking money out of the SS trust fund. And it might be an accounting gimmick, although I haven't looked too much into this claim:
http://economics21.org/commentary/dont-allow-another-payroll-tax-accounting-gimmick

I agree we should be doing whatever we can to address the economy, and perhaps this tax cut is one of the only things that can be done with this congress. If an employer payroll tax cut is added, that could be a good thing; the CBO says it would be more effective than the employee one. But I'm very concerned about the logic of extending this tax cuts and others during an economic downturn that won't go away anytime soon. When does it stop? And when we finally stop the tax cuts, the economic damage will remain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
Any word on Grover Norquist's stance on the payroll tax hike?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2011, 07:40:50 PM
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Obama Goes All Out For Dirty Banker Deal

A power play is underway in the foreclosure arena, according to the New York Times.

On the one side is Eric Schneiderman, the New York Attorney General, who is conducting his own investigation into the era of securitizations – the practice of chopping up assets like mortgages and converting them into saleable securities – that led up to the financial crisis of 2007-2008.

On the other side is the Obama administration, all the banks, and, now, apparently, all the other state attorneys general.

This second camp has all gotten together, put their heads together, and cooked up a deal that would allow the banks to walk away with just a seriously discounted fine from a generation of fraud that led to millions of people losing their homes.

The idea behind this federally-guided “settlement” is to concentrate and centralize all the legal exposure accrued by this generation of grotesque banker corruption in one place, put one single price tag on it that everyone can live with, and then stuff the details into a titanium canister before shooting it into deep space.

This deal is all about protecting the banks from future enforcement actions on both the civil and criminal sides. The plan is to provide year-after-year, repeat-offending banks like Bank of America with some stability and certainty, so that they know exactly how much they’ll have to pay in fines (trust me, it will end up being a tiny fraction of what they made off the fraudulent practices) and will also get to know for sure that there are no more criminal investigations in the pipeline. 
rest at: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/obama-goes-all-out-for-dirty-banker-deal-20110824

http://www.legalnewsline.com/news/233633-schneiderman-removed-from-mortgage-deal-committee

herp a derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2011, 07:58:29 PM
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In a remarkable quote given to the Times, Kathryn Wylde, the Fed board member who ostensibly represents the public said the following about Schneiderman:

It is of concern to the industry that instead of trying to facilitate resolving these issues, you seem to be throwing a wrench into it. Wall Street is our Main Street — love ’em or hate ’em. They are important and we have to make sure we are doing everything we can to support them unless they are doing something indefensible.

This, again, is coming not from a Bank of America attorney, but from the person on the Fed board who is supposedly representing the public!

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 24, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
please understand, obama's hands are tied guys

this is just the best he can do, the only real workable solution
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 24, 2011, 08:07:15 PM
The bankers pay off the national debt and you have a deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
And allegedly BoA might be failing soon, which complicates things even more. I guess we'll get to put Dodd-Frank's bullshit "ends too big to fail!" talking point to bed early, if this is true that is; iirc BoA has been faced with these rumors many times, only to turn out to be false
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 24, 2011, 08:43:57 PM
If anyone doubted the idea that Obama was butt buddies with banks, all you needed to check out was the top donors.  Goldman Sachs gave 50% more money to Obama in 2008 than Enron gave to George W. Bush in 2000.  Obama simply put needs dat donor cash to run against Republicans, which will probably be flush with Koch Brothers money.  It's time to suck as much financial cock as possible to make it rain.  We'll take it up the ass but at this point, how would we even notice?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2011, 08:16:42 PM
And allegedly BoA might be failing soon, which complicates things even more. I guess we'll get to put Dodd-Frank's bullshit "ends too big to fail!" talking point to bed early, if this is true that is; iirc BoA has been faced with these rumors many times, only to turn out to be false

Yeah but Economics of Contempt said that the bill was totally osm!  How osm?  So osm...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2011, 10:10:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 24, 2011, 03:29:47 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 24, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
gin and tacos goes in hard on obama

http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/08/24/fox-hen-house/

Sigh.

That article is kinda dumb, kinda wrong, and kinda just a repetition of the last couple years of netroots talking points.  Not a knock on Eric, but thanks to Oblivion and PD I'm a bit tired of being the designated fact-checker in this thread.

Real Talk, Mandark- what would President Concedesalot have to do in order to make you think he sucks?  Please don't give me platitudes about "well this was the best he could do hurp a durp"... I know that in a lot of instances, THAT'S TRUE, but it doesn't make his annoying habit of giving in (repeatedly, even!) during negotiations and unwillingness to throw any punches in order to sway public opinion to anything resembling a liberal viewpoint any less infuriating. 

The American People, in all the blessed stupidity, like people who will go to the mat for their ideas, which is why they stuck with President Manchild in 2004.  While being willing to compromise to get things done might be an admirable trait if you were dealing with a rational opposition party, I think we all know what Obama's dealing with here, and he looks like a pussy for, well, BEING A PUSSY.  Which is why his approval rating is sub 40% at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2011, 10:57:57 PM
I would need to see Obama actively pursue, as a clear first choice, policies that 1) I personally oppose, 2) are worse than the status quo, and 3) to the right of the median vote in Congress*.

Notice how none of that involves public rhetoric.


I think you're absolutely right about people wanting someone to "go to bat" for them.  I think the angry liberals of the internet want a lot more visible passion from him.  It's why Howard Dean, a guy with an apparently centrist record by anyone's reckoning, became an idol to the liberal wing of the party: he was the avatar for our anger at Bush, and at the Democrats who had enabled him post-9/11.

Liberals want a president who is one of them, who will say what they feel and articulate what they believe without embarrassment or qualification.  Activist liberals are a somewhat marginalized group in a lot of the institutions of mainstream US politics, so they want some representation and some respect.  Which is completely, absolutely, totally understandable.

But at a certain point, you're putting the cart before the horse.

Government policy affects people directly.  That's the important thing.  It is infinitely more important than the emotional rush that Kos posters would get from some symbolic confrontation or public garment-rending.  Yeah, it would be real nice to tell Joe Lieberman to fuck off.  But if eating his shit means letting gay Americans come out of the closet and keep their jobs in the military?  Who doesn't take that deal?

I'm kinda torn, because I completely empathize with all the disappointment and anger on the left and support the right to vent.  On the other, there seem to be more and more people willing to pull a JayDubya and maintain an absolutist position because it lets them maintain an unearned sense of superiority without ever having to risk or accomplish anything.  Cause really, fuck 'em.


PS If he were a brash liberal with 9% unemployment, he'd also be the brash liberal with a 40% approval rating.

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*ie Afghanistan, and maybe Libya.  Someone explain to me again why so many liberals loved Sam Powers?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2011, 11:00:19 PM
PD: That first link does nothing to establish the relative effectiveness of the cut, and then you say it's "taking money out of the SS trust fund" right before posting a link about how it explicitly does not take money out of the SS trust fund.  Are you trolling me?  Real talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2011, 11:39:06 PM
I specifically said I hadn't looked hard enough at the claim to definitively say it's an account gimmick. If it is...I'd feel better, at least for now. I'd be interested to see if that stays as is, or is changed in further negotiations; if there's another payroll tax cut, most likely it won't be done with a ticking time bomb type situation creeping up. Remember, that entire deal from December was an account gimmick, hence the tea party getting pissed at Boehner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2011, 12:06:29 AM
It's a gimmick, but not in terms of how much people actually pay.  It's a gimmick (in much the way the whole SS accounting system is) to prevent the holiday from being used to show the trust fund as being "bankrupt".

I'm pretty sure ToxicAdam floated the idea of a SS tax holiday in a thread here back in early 2009 and I said it would have to have something that would guarantee the trust fund gets credited.  So reality immitates Borality.  Or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2011, 12:14:21 AM
Yea. And that article argues it adds debt to the trust fund though, which will only expand as interest stacks up : /

If EB had a congress I wouldn't filibuster the payroll tax extension, but I wouldn't vote for it either
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
He means it's adding debt owed by the federal government to the SS trust fund, and that the collected interest would allow SS benefits to continue without being cut.

The guy is basically using gussied-up GOP talking points to argue for austerity, which is why I wondered if you were trolling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2011, 12:34:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 25, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
He means it's adding debt owed by the federal government to the SS trust fund, and that the collected interest would allow SS benefits to continue without being cut.

The guy is basically using gussied-up GOP talking points to argue for austerity, which is why I wondered if you were trolling.

Well yea, adding debt. And interest translating to more money being sent out. I found the article interesting due to the accounting claim, can't say I agree with its austerity agenda
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2011, 01:17:51 AM
It's a silly argument, though.  SS benefits, like taxes, are set through the political process.  To the extent that there are automatic changes, those are based on inflation rather than FICA receipts or the trust fund.  There won't be "more money being sent out" because of this.

Counting projected future spending, regardless of revenue, as "debt" is a nasty trick used to make people think that social programs are bankrupting the country when they're not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 25, 2011, 06:00:47 PM
both look decently badass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2011, 07:42:24 PM
Quote from: Borys on August 25, 2011, 05:50:58 PM
http://www.threedonia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/boys-will-be-boys-ug9af.jpg

Old?

Just saw that right now funny enough. Also,

http://twitpic.com/6aqyaa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
My uncle sent me some nonsense about the upcoming Moslem invasion. A quick google search revealed
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/pamela-geller-ready-to-start-holy-war-over-mistranslated-bumper-sticker/

herp a derp   :-\
Title: Remember Rachael Ray's jihadist Dunkin' Donuts scarf? Yeah.
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2011, 09:09:52 PM
Man, it's like every single racist meme, fake outrage, and hysterical chain email aimed at Arabs can be traced back to Pam Geller.  It's impressive, in a way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
Remember Rachel Ray's jihadist Dunkin' Donuts scarf? yeah...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 28, 2011, 06:56:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2011, 01:46:41 PM
My uncle sent me some nonsense about the upcoming Moslem invasion. A quick google search revealed
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/08/pamela-geller-ready-to-start-holy-war-over-mistranslated-bumper-sticker/

herp a derp   :-\

lol kentucky

(http://www.loonwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Hatred.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2011, 07:06:29 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 28, 2011, 07:18:11 PM
Looks handicapped to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 28, 2011, 07:34:20 PM
I'm pretty sure most of those are homemade, and why does Osama Bin Laden need a less flattering nickname?  Its not like calling a monsterous person Inept Hitler or Joesph Stalling is any better then their actual names.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 28, 2011, 07:36:20 PM
O Slimy Bin Rotten
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2011, 07:42:51 PM
Loser Farrakorn
Nancy Pelousy
Mao Ding Dong
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2011, 08:02:05 PM
wtf?

Most of those aren't even glib.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 28, 2011, 08:12:49 PM
:punch Adhess Market :punch

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 29, 2011, 02:08:49 AM
I loved PD's

Ellen Degenerate
Oprah Winy-frey
Harry Recedes
Matt Blam'em
Ben Affsuck
Anderson Kooky
Bill 'paps'Mahr
Wolf Spits-on-Her
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2011, 07:54:31 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/17/college-students-in-favor-wealth-distribution-are-asked-to-support-grade/#ixzz1WSFbcK99

Apparently some college student is circulating a petition for the redistribution of GPA, to make a brilliant point about socialism yadda yadda.

The comparison is so inapt and the reasoning behind it so blithely dumb that it doesn't need an explanation.  I'm linking this mostly to preempt Beardo's inevitable post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
That would only make sense if we were living in a meritocracy, but that's clearly not the case.

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That, and a host of other obvious reasons, of course.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 29, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 29, 2011, 08:39:26 PM
HOW ARE PEOPLE SO DUMB

You don't even know (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-adv-galileo-wrong-20110828,0,3264179.story).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 29, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 30, 2011, 03:41:14 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-congressman-calls-for-tax-breaks-to-put,21242/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 30, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
Anyone in here read "The Next 100 Years" by Friedman?  I'm halfway through it and it'd be cool to find someone to discuss some of his stuff with.  A lot of it does seem way too optimistic for the US.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 30, 2011, 10:19:24 PM
Heard of it, haven't read it.  Had to Google just now to confirm that it wasn't Tom Friedman.

What are the major predictions?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 10:23:39 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 30, 2011, 10:19:24 PM
Heard of it, haven't read it.  Had to Google just now to confirm that it wasn't Tom Friedman.

What are the major predictions?
Basically that Russia will begin to reassert its influence in its old Soviet borders.  The US will back Poland and Turkey to create regional powers but eventually Russia will collapse again.

China will fragment, close itself off Maoist style again or collapse around 2020 as the government tries to appease both the poor on the inland and the rich on the coastline. 

Japan will become another major power feeding off the labor and resources of the old Russian state and failed Chinese state.

Tensions will rise over the Southwest again over the increasing hispanic population and a rise in power from Mexico. 

There will be another world war in the middle of the century involving the powers mentioned (Turkey, Poland, Japan and the US).  I haven't gotten to the specifics of this yet (about halfway through the book) but I believe it's Japan reasserting its naval power in the Pacific.  The green boom really kicks into gear around this time off of some technology that comes out of the war. 

He discuss the 50 year crisis pattern (I'd heard of this before but never looked into it really) in US politics/economics and says that in the 2028 or 2032 election the President elected will inherit a huge crisis.  He'll follow a failure of a Presidency that tries to fix the issues with the same tactics; cuts for the wealthy and investment incentives.  But the real problem is a lack of labor and real immigration reform will follow which includes incentives for immigrants to come here.  What follows is an economic boom in the 2040's.

There's probably a bit more that slipping my mind at the moment, but I don't really have that much time to go into detail.  It's pretty interesting and he makes some very convincing arguments about why the US will still be in a dominant position and he definitely supports his theory well.  But I'm not completely buying certain aspects.  He definitely seems way too optimistic for the US and pessimistic for China in particular.  He uses past trends of China opening up its borders to trade only to shut itself off again when inequality and unrest become rampant to predict its downfall while I don't think the political situations are entirely similar. 

He argues that this isn't the decline of the US era, but basically the dawn.  The mess we're in now is simply a misstep created by the chaos in certain regions from the fallout of the Soviets.  He likens it to two people playing tug of war and when one gives up and lets go the other stumbles and struggles to find its footing. 

Russia is going to grow from controlling the hydrocarbons delivered to Europe.  They'll use this to build up their military slowly and reassert authority over former Soviet nations create the satellite states as buffer states again.  But while Russia is controlling the tap to natural gas the rest of the world will be investing in alternative fuel and Russia will miss the boat and slowly collapse as they're unable to make the transition economically.

Either way, it's a pretty interesting read and there's a lot to be debated because each one of his points he backs up by tons of historical trends and political/economic incentives for those actions/events.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on August 30, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
I saw "Friedman" and "optimism" and thought why the fuck is Mupepe reading Thomas Friedman?
I didn't even know who that was  :-\

Hey, and answer your PM's brochacho :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 31, 2011, 11:07:09 AM
Those predictions are dumb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 11:24:31 AM
 :lol

I'm not arguing for them either way.  It's just something interesting to read and that's why I brought it up in here to hear from others who are more knowledgeable. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2011, 01:13:36 PM
Why would China fragment, or close themselves off, it would ruin their economy. They're already on quite a dangerous real estate bubble of their own, not to mention some civil unrest and high inflation. China temporarily collapsing wouldn't be unlikely, but China closing themselves off then collapsing sounds very unlikely.

Mexico seems more likely to turn into an officially cartel run state than rise to power
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 02:01:47 PM
First chapter for anyone interested in his broad reasoning...

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An Introduction to the American Age
Imagine that you were alive in the summer of 1900, living in London, then the capital of the world. Europe ruled the Eastern Hemisphere. There was hardly a place that, if not ruled directly, was not indirectly controlled from a European capital. Europe was at peace and enjoying unprecedented
prosperity. Indeed, European interdependence due to trade and investment was so great that serious people were claiming that war had become impossible—and if not impossible, would end within weeks of beginning—
because global financial markets couldn’t withstand the strain. The future seemed fixed: a peaceful, prosperous Europe would rule the world.
Imagine yourself now in the summer of 1920. Europe had been torn apart by an agonizing war. The continent was in tatters. The Austro- Hun gar ian, Russian, German, and Ottoman empires were gone and millions had died in a war that lasted for years. The war ended when an American army of a million men intervened—an army that came and then just as quickly left. Communism dominated Russia, but it was not clear that it could survive. Countries that had been on the periphery of European power, like the United States and Japan, suddenly emerged as great powers. But one thing was certain—the peace treaty that had been imposed on Germany guaranteed
that it would not soon reemerge.
Imagine the summer of 1940. Germany had not only reemerged but conquered France and dominated Europe. Communism had survived and the Soviet Union now was allied with Nazi Germany. Great Britain alone stood against Germany, and from the point of view of most reasonable people,
the war was over. If there was not to be a thousand- year Reich, then certainly Europe’s fate had been decided for a century. Germany would dominate Europe and inherit its empire.
Imagine now the summer of 1960. Germany had been crushed in the war, defeated less than five years later. Europe was occupied, split down the middle by the United States and the Soviet Union. The European empires were collapsing, and the United States and Soviet Union were competing over who would be their heir. The United States had the Soviet Union surrounded and, with an overwhelming arsenal of nuclear weapons, could annihilate it in hours. The United States had emerged as the global superpower.
It dominated all of the world’s oceans, and with its nuclear force could dictate terms to anyone in the world. Stalemate was the best the Soviets
could hope for—unless the Soviets invaded Germany and conquered Europe. That was the war everyone was preparing for. And in the back of everyone’s mind, the Maoist Chinese, seen as fanatical, were the other danger.

Now imagine the summer of 1980. The United States had been defeated in a seven- year war—not by the Soviet Union, but by communist North Vietnam. The nation was seen, and saw itself, as being in retreat. Expelled from Vietnam, it was then expelled from Iran as well, where the oil fields, which it no longer controlled, seemed about to fall into the hands of the Soviet Union. To contain the Soviet Union, the United States had formed an alliance with Maoist China—the American president and the Chinese chairman holding an amiable meeting in Beijing. Only this alliance seemed able to contain the powerful Soviet Union, which appeared to be surging.
Imagine now the summer of 2000. The Soviet Union had completely collapsed. China was still communist in name but had become capitalist in practice. NATO had advanced into Eastern Europe and even into the former Soviet Union. The world was prosperous and peaceful. Everyone knew that geopolitical considerations had become secondary to economic considerations, and the only problems were regional ones in basket cases like Haiti or Kosovo.

Then came September 11, 2001, and the world turned on its head again.

At a certain level, when it comes to the future, the only thing one can be sure of is that common sense will be wrong. There is no magic twenty- year cycle; there is no simplistic force governing this pattern. It is simply that the things that appear to be so permanent and dominant at any given moment in history can change with stunning rapidity. Eras come and go. In international relations, the way the world looks right now is not at all how it will look in twenty years ...or even less. The fall of the Soviet Union was hard to imagine, and that is exactly the point. Conventional political analysis suffers from a profound failure of imagination. It imagines passing clouds to be permanent and is blind to powerful, long- term shifts taking place in full view of the world.

If we were at the beginning of the twentieth century, it would be impossible to forecast the particular events I’ve just listed. But there are some things that could have been—and, in fact, were—forecast. For example, it was obvious that Germany, having united in 1871, was a major power in an insecure position (trapped between Russia and France) and wanted to redefine the European and global systems. Most of the conflicts in the first half of the twentieth century were about Germany’s status in Europe. While the times and places of wars couldn’t be forecast, the probability that there would be a war could be and was forecast by many Europeans.

The harder part of this equation would be forecasting that the wars would be so devastating and that after the first and second world wars were over, Europe would lose its empire. But there were those, particularly after the invention of dynamite, who predicted that war would now be catastrophic.
If the forecasting on technology had been combined with the forecasting on geopolitics, the shattering of Europe might well have been predicted. Certainly the rise of the United States and Russia was predicted in the nineteenth century. Both Alexis de Tocqueville and Friedrich Nietzsche forecast the preeminence of these two countries. So, standing at the beginning of the twentieth century, it would have been possible to forecast its general outlines, with discipline and some luck.

Standing at the beginning of the twenty- first century, we need to identify the single pivotal event for this century, the equivalent of German unification
for the twentieth century. After the debris of the European empire is cleared away, as well as what’s left of the Soviet Union, one power remains standing and overwhelmingly powerful. That power is the United States. Certainly, as is usually the case, the United States currently appears to be making a mess of things around the world. But it’s important not to be confused by the passing chaos. The United States is economically, militarily, and politically the most powerful country in the world, and there is no real challenger to that power. Like the Spanish- American War, a hundred years from now the war between the United States and the radical Islamists will be little remembered regardless of the prevailing sentiment of this time.

Ever since the Civil War, the United States has been on an extraordinary economic surge. It has turned from a marginal developing nation into an economy bigger than the next four countries combined. Militarily, it has gone from being an insignificant force to dominating the globe. Politically, the United States touches virtually everything, sometimes intentionally and sometimes simply because of its presence. As you read this book, it will seem that it is America- centric, written from an American point of view. That may be true, but the argument I’m making is that the world does, in fact, pivot around the United States.

This is not only due to American power. It also has to do with a fundamental shift in the way the world works. For the past five hundred years, Europe was the center of the international system, its empires creating a single global system for the first time in human history. The main highway to Europe was the North Atlantic. Whoever controlled the North Atlantic controlled access to Europe—and Europe’s access to the world. The basic geography of global politics was locked into place.

Then, in the early 1980s, something remarkable happened. For the first time in history, transpacific trade equaled transatlantic trade. With Europe reduced to a collection of secondary powers after World War II, and the shift in trade patterns, the North Atlantic was no longer the single key to anything. Now whatever country controlled both the North Atlantic and
overture the Pacific could control, if it wished, the world’s trading system, and therefore the global economy. In the twenty- first century, any nation located on both oceans has a tremendous advantage.

Given the cost of building naval power and the huge cost of deploying it around the world, the power native to both oceans became the preeminent actor in the international system for the same reason that Britain dominated the nineteenth century: it lived on the sea it had to control. In this way, North America has replaced Europe as the center of gravity in the world, and whoever dominates North America is virtually assured of being the dominant global power. For the twenty- first century at least, that will be the United States.

The inherent power of the United States coupled with its geographic position makes the United States the pivotal actor of the twenty- first century. That certainly doesn’t make it loved. On the contrary, its power makes it feared. The history of the twenty- first century, therefore, particularly the first half, will revolve around two opposing struggles. One will be secondary powers forming coalitions to try to contain and control the United States. The second will be the United States acting preemptively to prevent an effective
coalition from forming.

If we view the beginning of the twenty- first century as the dawn of the American Age (superseding the European Age), we see that it began with a group of Muslims seeking to re- create the Caliphate—the great Islamic empire that once ran from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Inevitably, they had to strike at the United States in an attempt to draw the world’s primary power into war, trying to demonstrate its weakness in order to trigger an Islamic uprising. The United States responded by invading the Islamic world. But its goal wasn’t victory. It wasn’t even clear what victory would mean. Its goal was simply to disrupt the Islamic world and set it against itself, so that an Islamic empire could not emerge.
The United States doesn’t need to win wars. It needs to simply disrupt things so the other side can’t build up sufficient strength to challenge it. On one level, the twenty- first century will see a series of confrontations involving lesser powers trying to build coalitions to control American behavior and the United States’ mounting military operations to disrupt them. The twenty- first century will see even more war than the twentieth century, but the wars will be much less catastrophic, because of both technological changes and the nature of the geopolitical challenge.

As we’ve seen, the changes that lead to the next era are always shockingly unexpected, and the first twenty years of this new century will be no exception.
The U.S.–Islamist war is already ending and the next conflict is in sight. Russia is re- creating its old sphere of influence, and that sphere of influence will inevitably challenge the United States. The Russians will be moving westward on the great northern European plain. As Russia reconstructs its power, it will encounter the U.S.- dominated NATO in the three Baltic countries—Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania—as well as in Poland. There will be other points of friction in the early twenty- first century, but this new cold war will supply the flash points after the U.S.–Islamist war dies down.

The Russians can’t avoid trying to reassert power, and the United States can’t avoid trying to resist. But in the end Russia can’t win. Its deep internal problems, massively declining population, and poor infrastructure ultimately make Russia’s long- term survival prospects bleak. And the second cold war, less frightening and much less global than the first, will end as the first did, with the collapse of Russia.

There are many who predict that China is the next challenger to the United States, not Russia. I don’t agree with that view for three reasons. First, when you look at a map of China closely, you see that it is really a very isolated country physically. With Siberia in the north, the Himalayas and jungles to the south, and most of China’s population in the eastern part of the country, the Chinese aren’t going to easily expand.

Second, China has not been a major naval power for centuries, and building a navy requires a long time not only to build ships but to create well-trained and experienced sailors.

Third, there is a deeper reason for not worrying about China. China is inherently unstable. Whenever it opens its borders to the outside world, the coastal region becomes prosperous, but the vast majority of Chinese in the interior remain impoverished. This leads to tension, conflict, and instability. It also leads to economic decisions made for political reasons, resulting in inefficiency and corruption. This is not the first time that China has opened itself to foreign trade, and it will not be the last time that it becomes unstable as a result. Nor will it be the last time that a figure like Mao emerges to close the country off from the outside, equalize the wealth—or poverty— and begin the cycle anew. There are some who believe that the trends of the last thirty years will continue indefinitely. I believe the Chinese cycle will move to its next and inevitable phase in the coming decade. Far from being a challenger, China is a country the United States will be trying to bolster and hold together as a counterweight to the Russians.

Current Chinese economicdynamism does not translate into long- term success.

In the middle of the century, other powers will emerge, countries that aren’t thought of as great powers today, but that I expect will become more powerful and assertive over the next few decades. Three stand out in particular.

The first is Japan. It’s the second- largest economy in the world and the most vulnerable, being highly dependent on the importation of raw materials, since it has almost none of its own. With a history of militarism, Japan will not remain the marginal pacifistic power it has been. It cannot. Its own deep population problems and abhorrence of large- scale immigration will force it to look for new workers in other countries. Japan’s vulnerabilities, which I’ve written about in the past and which the Japanese have managed better than I’ve expected up until this point, in the end will force a shift in policy.

Then there is Turkey, currently the seventeenth-largest economy in the world. Historically, when a major Islamic empire has emerged, it has been dominated by the Turks. The Ottomans collapsed at the end of World War I, leaving modern Turkey in its wake. But Turkey is a stable platform in the midst of chaos. The Balkans, the Caucasus, and the Arab world to the south are all unstable. As Turkey’s power grows—and its economy and military are already the most powerful in the region—so will Turkish influence.

Finally there is Poland. Poland hasn’t been a great power since the sixteenth century. But it once was—and, I think, will be again. Two factors make this possible. First will be the decline of Germany. Its economy is large and still growing, but it has lost the dynamism it has had for two centuries. In addition, its population is going to fall dramatically in the next fifty years, further undermining its economic power. Second, as the Russians press on the Poles from the east, the Germans won’t have an appetite for a third war with Russia. The United States, however, will back Poland, providing it with massive economic and technical support. Wars—when your country isn’t destroyed—stimulate economic growth, and Poland will become the leading power in a coalition of states facing the Russians.

Japan, Turkey, and Poland will each be facing a United States even more confident than it was after the second fall of the Soviet Union. That will be an explosive situation. As we will see during the course of this book, the relationships among these four countries will greatly affect the twenty- first century, leading, ultimately, to the next global war. This war will be fought differently from any in history—with weapons that are today in the realm of science fiction. But as I will try to outline, this mid-twenty-first century conflict will grow out of the dynamic forces born in the early part of the new century.

Tremendous technical advances will come out of this war, as they did out of World War II, and one of them will be especially critical. All sides will be looking for new forms of energy to substitute for hydrocarbons, for many obvious reasons. Solar power is theoretically the most efficient energy source on earth, but solar power requires massive arrays of receivers. Those receivers take up a lot of space on the earth’s surface and have many negative environmental impacts—not to mention being subject to the disruptive cycles
of night and day. During the coming global war, however, concepts developed prior to the war for space- based electrical generation, beamed to earth in the form of microwave radiation, will be rapidly translated from prototype to reality. Getting a free ride on the back of military space launch capability, the new energy source will be underwritten in much the same way as the Internet or the railroads were, by government support. And that will kick off a massive economic boom.

But underlying all of this will be the single most important fact of the twenty- first century: the end of the population explosion. By 2050, advanced
industrial countries will be losing population at a dramatic rate. By 2100, even the most underdeveloped countries will have reached birthrates that will stabilize their populations. The entire global system has been built since 1750 on the expectation of continually expanding populations. More workers, more consumers, more soldiers—this was always the expectation. In the twenty- first century, however, that will cease to be true. The entire system of production will shift. The shift will force the world into a greater dependence on technology—particularly robots that will substitute for human labor, and intensified genetic research (not so much for the purpose of extending life but to make people productive longer).

What will be the more immediate result of a shrinking world population?

Quite simply, in the first half of the century, the population bust will create a major labor shortage in advanced industrial countries. Today, developed
countries see the problem as keeping immigrants out. Later in the first half of the twenty- first century, the problem will be persuading them to come. Countries will go so far as to pay people to move there. This will include the United States, which will be competing for increasingly scarce immigrants and will be doing everything it can to induce Mexicans to come to the United States—an ironic but inevitable shift.

These changes will lead to the final crisis of the twenty- first century. Mexico currently is the fifteenth- largest economy in the world. As the Europeans
slip out, the Mexicans, like the Turks, will rise in the rankings until by the late twenty- first century they will be one of the major economic powers in the world. During the great migration north encouraged by the United States, the population balance in the old Mexican Cession (that is, the areas of the United States taken from Mexico in the nineteenth century) will shift dramatically until much of the region is predominantly Mexican.

The social reality will be viewed by the Mexican government simply as rectification of historical defeats. By 2080 I expect there to be a serious confrontation
between the United States and an increasingly powerful and assertive Mexico. That confrontation may well have unforeseen consequences for the United States, and will likely not end by 2100. Much of what I’ve said here may seem pretty hard to fathom. The idea that the twenty- first century will culminate in a confrontation between Mexico and the United States is certainly hard to imagine in 2009, as is a powerful Turkey or Poland. But go back to the beginning of this chapter, when I described how the world looked at twenty- year intervals during the twentieth century, and you can see what I’m driving at: common sense is the one thing that will certainly be wrong.

Obviously, the more granular the description, the less reliable it gets. It is impossible to forecast precise details of a coming century—apart from the fact that I’ll be long dead by then and won’t know what mistakes I made.

But it’s my contention that it is indeed possible to see the broad outlines of what is going to happen, and to try to give it some definition, however speculative
that definition might be. That’s what this book is about.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 31, 2011, 02:32:35 PM
About the only thing I'd agree with is that China's pre-determined smooth accent to superpower status to equal or exceed the US is far from inevitable. China is so fucked internally but just having 1.3 billion people with even a minority making baby steps econmically wows the rest of the world, when they are far from a properly functioning modern society.

It's still America's century to lose. I'd like to say that dumb has always been around (it has) but the accent of dumb these past few years and haplessness of anyone with a clue has me pessimistic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 31, 2011, 06:07:50 PM
The top review made me lol

http://www.amazon.com/Next-100-Years-Forecast-Century/dp/0767923057/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314828400&sr=8-1

American grand strategy was to intentionally destabilize central Asia by going into Iraq to prevent the rise of a dominant Eurasian power? get the fuck out of here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2011, 06:09:55 PM
Perhaps we'll never recognize just how streets ahead W Bush was  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 31, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on August 31, 2011, 06:13:13 PM
Boogie what is canada's stance on the middle east and all that stuff? I've always wondered.

More or less in lockstep with American policy.  Very pro-Israel (especially the current Conservative government)

We've had troops in Afghanistan since 2002 and did most of the heavy lifting in Kandahar province for a few years.  (My brother did two tours over there)  We've just recently pulled combat troops out though, as our population has gotten tired of our contribution and losing 157 soldiers over the course of the war.

The Iraq War was interesting.  The Liberal government basically took a "we'll support whatever the UN decides" which essentially meant "we're not supporting the US, but we can't outright say so".  Our military was in no shape at that time to contribute anyway, while the Conservatives, then in opposition, screamed bloody murder about not supporting our most important ally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
the review mentioning that was America's grand strategy has poor comprehension skills.  He specifically says that America overreacted to 9/11 and that it will be satisfied with destabilizing the region instead of outright winning.  He says America's grand strategy consists of controlling the oceans via a large Navy and assuring that no other power controls Eurasia (Russia or China) outright
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 06:30:06 PM
Actually, reading the first review completely it seems like someone just skimmed through the book.  A lot of what Friedman says is ridiculous and he does leave out certain convenient points, the specifics of that review sound like someone who actually hasn't read the book. Especially since the review says he left out Iran and India... I just finished reading about his predictions regarding Iran and India.  Somebody posted a review after reading the first chapter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
The space shit is definitely ridiculous though. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Japanese launching a Pearl Harbor style attack from a base on the dark side of the moon to destroy our satellite and space systems :lol
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 31, 2011, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 06:36:43 PM
The space shit is definitely ridiculous though. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Japanese launching a Pearl Harbor style attack from a base on the dark side of the moon to destroy our satellite and space systems :lol
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This really needed to be the blurb on the back of the book, I'd of bought 10 :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 31, 2011, 06:47:07 PM
:lol  I didn't pay for the book but I maybe would have if I knew about that

The book definitely reads like a conservatives wet dream (he is a conservative).  Awesomely powerful US that's gotta fuck shit up because other countries are just as greedy and will do it to us if we don't defend with might.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 31, 2011, 07:33:38 PM
I expect the world of the late 21st century to be drastically different from that of today such that past or present nation-state geopolitics won't be a very relevant lens through which to view it ...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2011, 11:15:12 PM
So did anyone follow this joint congress fiasco? In short

Obama: sup bros I'm speaking on Sept 7th, clear your calenders
Boehner: wtf there's a debate on the 7th, you can't speak
WH: we told you about this already, stfu
Obama: anyway, see you on the 7th
Boehner: No
Obama: kk nm, i guess I'll speak on the 8th herp a derp!

As if we needed another example of Obama being spineless. Seriously, what the fuck? First, scheduling on the debate makes little sense anyway, given there are two congressmen running for president who could object and scuttle the whole thing.

Why the FUCK would you pick a fight you don't even need to pick, then run away? This is hilarious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 01, 2011, 01:32:18 AM
the mupepe convo just reminded me of how i want to read friedman just to find out why people on the internet seem to hate him so much
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 01, 2011, 01:39:24 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on September 01, 2011, 01:32:18 AM
the mupepe convo just reminded me of how i want to read friedman just to find out why people on the internet seem to hate him so much

That's a different Friedman, tho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 01, 2011, 12:01:35 PM
Nah.  Nothing about that (at least so far).  It basically says that he thinks Turkey will become the dominant power and assert its influence in the area while being a US ally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 01, 2011, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 01, 2011, 01:39:24 AM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on September 01, 2011, 01:32:18 AM
the mupepe convo just reminded me of how i want to read friedman just to find out why people on the internet seem to hate him so much

That's a different Friedman, tho.

oh i know. but usually when people say "friedman" they are talking about tom, not this dude mupepe is talking about, whoever he is. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 01, 2011, 04:26:31 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on August 30, 2011, 03:44:29 PM
Anyone in here read "The Next 100 Years" by Friedman?  I'm halfway through it and it'd be cool to find someone to discuss some of his stuff with.  A lot of it does seem way too optimistic for the US.

Yup, I've read it! Kinda interesting the whole "Poland being a world power" thing... and US at another war with Japan (how the hell am I gonna get my loli games then?). That whole chapter sounded like a bad animu plot  :P

The whole US naval domination bit being a large part of their foreign policy was very interesting for me, considering my job.

And I HIGHLY agree with his assertion that declining populations in first world nations (boomers dying off + low birth rate) will be a major problem (if not the most major) in the near future. Especially for a economic structure (Capitalism) that relies on constant growth. It's why I feel that anti-Immigration people are so extremely short-sighted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 01, 2011, 11:34:51 PM
I really fail to see how there can be any large-scale war in the future, unless the world falls into some sort of decades long, global depression that causes massive instability.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2011, 12:56:42 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 01, 2011, 11:34:51 PM
I really fail to see how there can be any large-scale war in the future, unless the world falls into some sort of decades long, global depression that causes massive instability.

Give it time, America has shown no ability to stop electing Republicans no matter how stupid they get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 03, 2011, 07:19:51 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#44376884 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#44376884)

So many face palming moments in that video.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 03, 2011, 10:20:15 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 01, 2011, 11:34:51 PM
I really fail to see how there can be any large-scale war in the future, unless the world falls into some sort of decades long, global depression that causes massive instability.



I don't know, the 20th century was probably the bloodiest on record.  Since there isn't a rise of meat grinder government philosophies (ie, socialism, communism, or fascism), I don't think this century will be as bad as the last one.

I do think that the biggest issue will be a matter of resources.  Whether it be small islands swallowed up by rising water levels, severe food shortages in overpopulated regions, or  the rising cost of energy resulting in some countries to "liberate" others, I think this century could very easily fall into a large scale war.  It probably won't happen anytime soon though but who knows what might happen in 2040 or 2050?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2011, 12:21:03 PM
And here we go again


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Experts Question Ratings After S&P Gives Subprime Bonds Higher Rating Than U.S. Debt

]Influential investors are scratching their heads over a little-noticed development: After downgrading the country's credit rating, Standard & Poors is continuing to award AAA status to the same class of assets that nearly blew up the world economy three years ago.

From Bloomberg: "S&P is poised to provide AAA grades to 59 percent of Springleaf Mortgage Loan Trust 2011-1, a set of bonds tied to $497 million lent to homeowners with below-average credit scores and almost no equity in their properties."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/investors-knock-sp-for-giving-subprime-bonds-higher-rating-than-us-debt-4.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 03, 2011, 06:32:37 PM
S&P is shameful  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 03, 2011, 07:44:37 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 03, 2011, 06:32:37 PM
S&P is shameful  :lol

Don't you mean "shameless?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 03, 2011, 07:46:47 PM
that too
Title: How I talk myself into insomnia.
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2011, 03:46:14 AM
From what I've read about The Next 100 Years, I think recursive mostly nailed it.

Friedman seems to base everything on a very old-school, very simplified version of realpolitik.  Basically, every nation will be looking to increase their power and will see other states as competitors in a zero-sum game.  Hence conflict and eventually war.

That might have been a decent model for how European imperial powers behaved back in the day, but not so much for modern developed nations.  Their leaders don't see a need to fight for access to natural resources, because that access is guaranteed by the current system of free trade and international cooperation.  If that system is backed by US muscle rather than their own, they're not too bothered by it.

So yeah, I wouldn't take the main ideas of the book too, too seriously.



There is, generally, a really interesting back-and-forth in the international relations community about how much has really changed and how much the old rules still apply.  Are states still the only important actors, or do NGO's and MNC's matter?  Are democracies fundamentally different, or will they still share the same basic interests?  How does globalization change things, if at all?

It might sound awfully geeky and inside-baseball, but the underlying question to all of that is "Are we really done with great power wars, or could this all fall apart and we see billions of people die violently?"  Which is a rather important question.



tldr:  Should we take this Friedman dude seriously?  Not so much.  Will there be a WW3?  I sure hope not!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2011, 04:20:11 AM
man, I should stop giving away my predictions for free and instead sell them in a book too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2011, 04:36:59 AM
Hey, if this dude and Skip Bayless can get paid for that shit, no reason you can't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 07, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
Im pretty sure I couldnt watch the debate tonight without wanting to stab my furniture
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 01:17:58 PM
I can't wait. Really want to see how Romney handles Perry and vise versa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 07, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
Really? I can't sit through 2 minutes of their bullshit. Huntsman is the only electable repub and you know he won't get it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 07, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
One of my friends works on his campaign staff, even though she's a big liberal.  Says he's a pretty decent guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 07, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
Too bad GOP ideas for the economy are straight up distinguished mentally-challenged
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2011, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 07, 2011, 03:10:26 PM
There's some pretty good ideas in the GOP, just not ones held by people with any chance of getting the bid.

All of Ron Paul's economic ideas are absolutely terrible.  Every. single. one of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 07, 2011, 03:01:44 PM
Too bad GOP ideas for the economy are straight up distinguished mentally-challenged

tax cuts and no regulation, what can go wrong?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 07, 2011, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 07, 2011, 01:20:53 PM
Really? I can't sit through 2 minutes of their bullshit.

same here.  why waste my time listening to a bunch of assholes say insane, stupid shit that won't even matter in the almost-impossible chance that one of them got elected?


Quote from: BrandNew on September 07, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
One of my friends works on his campaign staff, even though she's a big liberal.  Says he's a pretty decent guy.

a great guy that'd do horrible shit that would fuck over millions of people if he was given a position of power.  awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 07, 2011, 06:36:01 PM
Pretty good article posted at gaf:

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

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Mike Lofgren has been working for 28 years as a congressional aide, on the Republican side, earning more than $100,000 a year every year since at least 2001. He worked as Repub staff on both the House and Senate Budget Committees. He is a serious insider who knows how things work and where the bodies are buried.
He recently retired and has decided to say what he has learned about the two parties and it’s amazing.

It's a little long, but worth the read.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 07, 2011, 07:17:21 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 07, 2011, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 07, 2011, 01:34:19 PM
One of my friends works on his campaign staff, even though she's a big liberal.  Says he's a pretty decent guy.

a great guy that'd do horrible shit that would fuck over millions of people if he was given a position of power.  awesome.

We've more or less had this person for 31 years.  Why stop now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 07, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
It makes perfect sense.

Whenever some tard, especially some tard who makes under $100,000 a year bitches about the capital gains tax or the estate tax, most of them think that by helping out their rich buddies at the top, that soon those crumbs from the gilded table will start showering over them.  That the Koch Brothers will stop by personally at Buttfuck, Idaho and tell some tea party redneck "Thanks for your contribution to remove the capital gains tax!  Here's your $200,000 a year job starting today!"  A lot of these people think that only them and the millionaires and billionaires work hard.  They're like best friends, working hard to fight Shaniqua the welfare queen and Aydan, the upper middle class hipster type with a tendency for book larnin'.

That is why that truth-out.org article I think gets it wrong.  Most people voted in these shitbags like Allen West or Michele Bachmann because most people think that by fervently supporting the upper class, that they will get rewarded.  If not, then at least those welfare distinguished black fellows get a smaller piece of the pie.  If they can't be rich, they'd sooner just shit all over the rest of the population so everyone else can have it bad as them.  The GOP lunatics were voted in and it isn't like people were deceived; no, people voted in droves for these cocksuckers.  There is no deception involved and I'm sure the fools that voted in these teabagger clowns are loving every second of how this Congress has turned out.  There are a lot of people on the far right that know just how to play off of the general seething hatred that has been bubbling for a while.

I don't really see a solution either.  I think angry people are going to stay angry, regardless of the demographic shift.  Combine that with a largely deferential, nay, spineless leadership of the opposition, and it's bad news for the rest of us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 07, 2011, 07:59:28 PM
that Ron Paul commercial was unreal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on September 07, 2011, 08:27:06 PM
Haha Newt!!!  Never disappointments.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on September 07, 2011, 08:34:43 PM
What is this about asking us questions as individuals?  The GOP is a formless singularity and We refuse to be divided by gaybo journalism gotchamagoos.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 08:38:25 PM
Gingrich loves bullying moderators  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 07, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
Did Ron Paul actually make an advertisement linking himself to Reagan?  What a fucking sell out :lol

At the debate he addressed his Reagan criticisms, saying he supported Reagan's "message" not his record lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 09:19:21 PM
Ron Paul just went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

"just think about this: people who want to put up fences on the border to keep immigrants out, well those same fences will keep you in! fences can be used against us!"  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 07, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
Reagan wrote in a diary?  what a cigarillo.  How am I supposed to project my desire for a commanding father figure on to him now that Newt let that slip  :-\. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 09:27:11 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on September 07, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
Reagan wrote in a diary?  what a cigarillo.  How am I supposed to project my desire for a commanding father figure on to him now that Newt let that slip  :-\. 

this post made me wish Colbert was on the debate stage  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 07, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 07, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
It makes perfect sense.

Whenever some tard, especially some tard who makes under $100,000 a year bitches about the capital gains tax or the estate tax, most of them think that by helping out their rich buddies at the top, that soon those crumbs from the gilded table will start showering over them.  That the Koch Brothers will stop by personally at Buttfuck, Idaho and tell some tea party redneck "Thanks for your contribution to remove the capital gains tax!  Here's your $200,000 a year job starting today!"  A lot of these people think that only them and the millionaires and billionaires work hard.  They're like best friends, working hard to fight Shaniqua the welfare queen and Aydan, the upper middle class hipster type with a tendency for book larnin'.

That is why that truth-out.org article I think gets it wrong.  Most people voted in these shitbags like Allen West or Michele Bachmann because most people think that by fervently supporting the upper class, that they will get rewarded.  If not, then at least those welfare distinguished black fellows get a smaller piece of the pie.  If they can't be rich, they'd sooner just shit all over the rest of the population so everyone else can have it bad as them.  The GOP lunatics were voted in and it isn't like people were deceived; no, people voted in droves for these cocksuckers.  There is no deception involved and I'm sure the fools that voted in these teabagger clowns are loving every second of how this Congress has turned out.  There are a lot of people on the far right that know just how to play off of the general seething hatred that has been bubbling for a while.

I don't really see a solution either.  I think angry people are going to stay angry, regardless of the demographic shift.  Combine that with a largely deferential, nay, spineless leadership of the opposition, and it's bad news for the rest of us.

i dunno if i agree. most people i know will vote against obama because they see the republican as "the lesser of two evils." crazy, yes, but to them, loving jesus, condemning abortion, and rejecting science makes people "less evil" in their eyes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2011, 09:56:01 PM
I'm embarrassed for my home state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2011, 09:59:03 PM
The crowd applauding Texas' execution numbers tells you everything you need to know about who will be choosing the GOP's nominee. I doubt there's much joy in Obama's campaign war room in general, but they had to be laughing their asses off tonight. Holy shit

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 07, 2011, 10:34:29 PM
"every time you think of a fence the keeping all those bad people out, think about that fence maybe keeping us in."

please add this to the newsfeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 07, 2011, 10:41:42 PM
Good to know that reagan would be against ousting qaddaffi but for ousting the taliban and saddam
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 07, 2011, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on September 07, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
Reagan wrote in a diary?  what a cigarillo.  How am I supposed to project my desire for a commanding father figure on to him now that Newt let that slip  :-\. 

Yeah, it was published a few years back.  I read a review and the upshot was "yeah, he was pretty dumb."


Also, Prole's right.  Republicans voting for Romney or Perry will feel like liberals voting for Kerry back in the day.  They'll have a bunch of reservations, wish for a better option, and gradually kind of like the guy as he spends half a year as the avatar for all things Republican and tries to beat someone who terrifies them.

Heroes for activists are never politicians in leadership positions.  It's always media figures, marginal candidates, backbenchers, or dead guys who aren't in a position to disappoint.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2011, 11:24:23 PM
The whole "let's applaud us some executions whoooooo!" phenomenon really says all you need to know about the modern Republican party.  Fuck science, education, and poor people- let's kill us some potentially innocent motherfuckers up in this bitch!  Let 'em fight lions and televise that shit!  Whooo!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 07, 2011, 11:39:33 PM
That sounds pretty depressing, but we are talking about a political movement that's embraced torture, not with reluctance or regret, but with unmitigated enthusiasm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2011, 11:53:57 PM
I can't wait for the REPUBLICAN HOLLYWOOD remake of A Wonderful Life, where all of the action is over in the first five minutes as Jimmy Stewart's character kills himself and then the rest of the movie is rapid cuts between people laughing at him for being a pussy and wanting to help other people and ethnically pure blonde women with large fake tits firing machine guns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 08, 2011, 01:00:40 AM
huntsman won
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 01:15:15 AM
Romney "won" simply by giving Perry rope to hang himself with. Social security is a disaster, a giant lie, and a ponzi scheme? Good luck with that Rick!

Huntsman was the only semi-sensible person on the stage, and he performed well. Too bad he has no chance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 01:34:15 AM
Huntsman is running a national campaign in a primary environment, which is why he seems normal and definitely had no chance of ever winning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2011, 02:20:20 AM
I think Huntsman is actually employing the "Hey guys, remember how in 2012 I told you it wasn't a good idea to go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and we nominated somebody who went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and they lost to the black muslim socialist from Kenya who wasn't even popular with his own party?  Maybe we don't go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow this time" strategy to win the 2016 nomination, but he'll have to fight off Very Serious People such as Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio in order to win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 08, 2011, 02:56:04 AM
Replace the dates with 2008 and 2012 in that statement and you basically just said a lot of what some of my republican friends were saying about the mccain campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 03:17:44 AM
http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 03:23:06 AM
Anybody who saw the "debate" tonight, is it worth watching? Did the moderator(s) do even remotely a decent job pushing back at the tea baggery?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 03:25:31 AM
No- the media insists on treating every opinion/idea as a valid one; and of course giving the dumbest opinions/ideas all the airtime so voters can continue screwing themselves over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2011, 03:29:56 AM
What America needs is someone who can tell the country "that's fucking stupid, and you're fucking stupid for thinking that way/supporting this distinguished mentally-challenged fucking idea" without everyone getting feelings about the whole thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 03:31:11 AM
Bah, that's a dang shame.

The only way these stupid debates are tolerable enough to watch is if there's some non-crazy person there to call out these fuckheads on their bullshit. Otherwise, you might as well be watching an average episode of Hannity or Beck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2011, 03:44:51 AM
I want to see Danny McBride run for the Republican nomination as Kenny Powers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 08:07:15 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 07, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
It makes perfect sense.

Whenever some tard, especially some tard who makes under $100,000 a year bitches about the capital gains tax or the estate tax, most of them think that by helping out their rich buddies at the top, that soon those crumbs from the gilded table will start showering over them.  That the Koch Brothers will stop by personally at Buttfuck, Idaho and tell some tea party redneck "Thanks for your contribution to remove the capital gains tax!  Here's your $200,000 a year job starting today!"  A lot of these people think that only them and the millionaires and billionaires work hard.  They're like best friends, working hard to fight Shaniqua the welfare queen and Aydan, the upper middle class hipster type with a tendency for book larnin'.

That is why that truth-out.org article I think gets it wrong.  Most people voted in these shitbags like Allen West or Michele Bachmann because most people think that by fervently supporting the upper class, that they will get rewarded.  If not, then at least those welfare distinguished black fellows get a smaller piece of the pie.  If they can't be rich, they'd sooner just shit all over the rest of the population so everyone else can have it bad as them.  The GOP lunatics were voted in and it isn't like people were deceived; no, people voted in droves for these cocksuckers.  There is no deception involved and I'm sure the fools that voted in these teabagger clowns are loving every second of how this Congress has turned out.  There are a lot of people on the far right that know just how to play off of the general seething hatred that has been bubbling for a while.

I don't really see a solution either.  I think angry people are going to stay angry, regardless of the demographic shift.  Combine that with a largely deferential, nay, spineless leadership of the opposition, and it's bad news for the rest of us.

Forgot who linked this, but here's an interesting study:

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/04/140116142/avoiding-last-place-some-things-we-dont-outgrow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 11:09:22 AM
Alls I gotta say is "only 300 billion?" SNORE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 11:10:27 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 08, 2011, 03:29:56 AM
What America needs is someone who can tell the country "that's fucking stupid, and you're fucking stupid for thinking that way/supporting this distinguished mentally-challenged fucking idea" without everyone getting feelings about the whole thing.

So true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 12:16:13 PM
The moderation sucked. Brian Williams is cool, but the Politico guy basically asked the same question over and over: "x said y, is he/she crazy? why do you disagree, go on fight each other lolol"

I watched some of the MSNBC reactions after the debate. Their panel: Maddow, Ed Shultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Al Sharpton, and the black guy from the Washington Post. Seriously. Maddow and the WaPo guy are fine, but having three hardcore partisans on one panel reeks of Fox News shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 08, 2011, 12:17:32 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 07, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 07, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
It makes perfect sense.

Whenever some tard, especially some tard who makes under $100,000 a year bitches about the capital gains tax or the estate tax, most of them think that by helping out their rich buddies at the top, that soon those crumbs from the gilded table will start showering over them.  That the Koch Brothers will stop by personally at Buttfuck, Idaho and tell some tea party redneck "Thanks for your contribution to remove the capital gains tax!  Here's your $200,000 a year job starting today!"  A lot of these people think that only them and the millionaires and billionaires work hard.  They're like best friends, working hard to fight Shaniqua the welfare queen and Aydan, the upper middle class hipster type with a tendency for book larnin'.

That is why that truth-out.org article I think gets it wrong.  Most people voted in these shitbags like Allen West or Michele Bachmann because most people think that by fervently supporting the upper class, that they will get rewarded.  If not, then at least those welfare distinguished black fellows get a smaller piece of the pie.  If they can't be rich, they'd sooner just shit all over the rest of the population so everyone else can have it bad as them.  The GOP lunatics were voted in and it isn't like people were deceived; no, people voted in droves for these cocksuckers.  There is no deception involved and I'm sure the fools that voted in these teabagger clowns are loving every second of how this Congress has turned out.  There are a lot of people on the far right that know just how to play off of the general seething hatred that has been bubbling for a while.

I don't really see a solution either.  I think angry people are going to stay angry, regardless of the demographic shift.  Combine that with a largely deferential, nay, spineless leadership of the opposition, and it's bad news for the rest of us.

i dunno if i agree. most people i know will vote against obama because they see the republican as "the lesser of two evils." crazy, yes, but to them, loving jesus, condemning abortion, and rejecting science makes people "less evil" in their eyes.

yeah this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 12:18:15 PM
Lawrence is fine- Ed and al on the other hand
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 12:30:55 PM
god, the only group dumber than republicans are libertarians :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2011, 01:13:30 PM
Who's this Consul fella?  I like the cut of his jib!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 02:09:48 PM
Dunno Triumph, I like Paul's economic plan for gas at 10 cents a gallon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 08, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 12:16:13 PM
The moderation sucked. Brian Williams is cool, but the Politico guy basically asked the same question over and over: "x said y, is he/she crazy? why do you disagree, go on fight each other lolol"

I watched some of the MSNBC reactions after the debate. Their panel: Maddow, Ed Shultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Al Sharpton, and the black guy from the Washington Post. Seriously. Maddow and the WaPo guy are fine, but having three hardcore partisans on one panel reeks of Fox News shit

i told my dad "haha looks like al lost some weight"

He replied "Looks like he's been blabbering his mouth again"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2011, 02:17:42 PM
Just took this:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/a13hv6.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 02:46:17 PM
Boehner has no control over his party and he's barely respected.  smfh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 08, 2011, 02:46:41 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 04:53:22 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on September 08, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Are you one of biz's friends, Consul?

Perhaps :o

Actually I think "biz" would consider me more of an enemy ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 05:58:49 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 08, 2011, 10:12:20 AM
Quote
Did the moderator(s) do even remotely a decent job

No, they were pretty horrible with their questions and the manner in which they asked them.  It was a pretty wretched way to spend two hours.  Newt was wise to what they were doing but too many of the others took the bait and sniped at each other and often just looked petty.  Should have known better guys - it's MSNBC.

I haven't seen the debate, but from what I've read, it seems like the same shit Newt pulled last time around. Whining about the moderators asking the candidates questions about things that they've actually said (OH NOES).

Quote
Surprisingly, no genitalia was involuntarily placed in others' mouths, so no one had to step in to prevent that. 


Fucktard.

lol, u mad? Thought you weren't a Republican? Why so offended, pooky?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 08, 2011, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 07, 2011, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 07, 2011, 07:49:37 PM
It makes perfect sense.

Whenever some tard, especially some tard who makes under $100,000 a year bitches about the capital gains tax or the estate tax, most of them think that by helping out their rich buddies at the top, that soon those crumbs from the gilded table will start showering over them.  That the Koch Brothers will stop by personally at Buttfuck, Idaho and tell some tea party redneck "Thanks for your contribution to remove the capital gains tax!  Here's your $200,000 a year job starting today!"  A lot of these people think that only them and the millionaires and billionaires work hard.  They're like best friends, working hard to fight Shaniqua the welfare queen and Aydan, the upper middle class hipster type with a tendency for book larnin'.

That is why that truth-out.org article I think gets it wrong.  Most people voted in these shitbags like Allen West or Michele Bachmann because most people think that by fervently supporting the upper class, that they will get rewarded.  If not, then at least those welfare distinguished black fellows get a smaller piece of the pie.  If they can't be rich, they'd sooner just shit all over the rest of the population so everyone else can have it bad as them.  The GOP lunatics were voted in and it isn't like people were deceived; no, people voted in droves for these cocksuckers.  There is no deception involved and I'm sure the fools that voted in these teabagger clowns are loving every second of how this Congress has turned out.  There are a lot of people on the far right that know just how to play off of the general seething hatred that has been bubbling for a while.

I don't really see a solution either.  I think angry people are going to stay angry, regardless of the demographic shift.  Combine that with a largely deferential, nay, spineless leadership of the opposition, and it's bad news for the rest of us.

i dunno if i agree. most people i know will vote against obama because they see the republican as "the lesser of two evils." crazy, yes, but to them, loving jesus, condemning abortion, and rejecting science makes people "less evil" in their eyes.

I disagree with your disagreement :maf

I think it is somewhat of a non-issue.  I don't think Obama should have too much trouble getting re-elected anyhow.  Not because he is just sooooo ossom, but I think that a lot of people believe that the economy is doing much better now than in 2009.  Although I'm sure Obama will do his best to make himself as unelectable as possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 06:12:13 PM
If unemployment stays high, I don't see Obama getting re-elected against a decent opponent (Romney). I'm assuming whatever he proposes tonight will be DOA, so all we'll get is ridiculous spending cuts before the end of the year which slows growth even more, followed by another spring/summer of high gas prices. He's fucked unless republicans nominate a complete idiot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 06:17:18 PM
http://dailykos.com/story/2011/09/08/1014724/-GOP-now-wants-to-deal-(or-so-they-claim)?via=blog_1

Too good to be true?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 06:24:09 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 08, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: Consul on September 08, 2011, 04:53:22 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on September 08, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Are you one of biz's friends, Consul?

Perhaps :o

Actually I think "biz" would consider me more of an enemy ;)

I see, what do you fellows disagree on?

to tell you the truth, i don't even know exactly.  he is just too emotional :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 06:12:13 PM
If unemployment stays high, I don't see Obama getting re-elected against a decent opponent (Romney). I'm assuming whatever he proposes tonight will be DOA, so all we'll get is ridiculous spending cuts before the end of the year which slows growth even more, followed by another spring/summer of high gas prices. He's fucked unless republicans nominate a complete idiot.

I can't even speculate because I have such little faith in americans, but if a republican does get elected I will laugh at all the poor/working people that voted for him thinking tax cuts are going to create jobs. tax cuts. LOL

if you want to know what corporations will do with tax cuts all you have to do is look at this graph.

(http://desertbeacon.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/no-wage-gains1.jpg)

the top 1% needs to be taxed a HELL of a lot more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: JayDubya
What are you 12?

Quote from: JayDubya
Fucktard.

Quote from:  Also, JayDubya on September 08, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
Why am I mad that you're a fucktard?  Encountered enough fucktards, maybe. 

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 06:48:35 PM
speech time! who wants to bet that Obama calls for a repatriation tax holiday for corporations?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 07:03:29 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on September 08, 2011, 06:58:40 PM
I'm bored and onli
ne, is there anyway to watch it online people?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/economy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 08, 2011, 07:23:25 PM
PASS THIS MOTHERFUCKING JOBS ACT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 07:26:44 PM
best quote

"right now warren buffet pays less taxes than his secretary. this is an outrage that he has asked us to fix"

fuck all the republicans on facebook/twitter saying DOA. god i hate this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 08, 2011, 07:31:34 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 08, 2011, 07:28:05 PM
Let's just summarize the last 28 minutes: Obama wanted to waste everyone's time tonight.  He has been successful.

You didn't have to watch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 08, 2011, 07:37:02 PM
Oh Gundam, you know that he didn't.

Like President Paul would waste less time with crotchety "mehhhhh gold standard!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
At least hes calling them out on their stupid crap like pledges n shit. God I hate the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 07:38:53 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44443363#44443363
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
It's never going to pass, so who the fuck cares?  If I were Obama, I would have used this speech as an opportunity to publicly berate Republicans (and their rugged individualist Libertopian enablers, of course) as the bunch of half-bright lying shitburgers they really are.  Then I would resign, tell the country to eat a bag of dicks and fix it's own shit, and probably move to The Isle of Man or another actual first world country.  I seriously don't understand why anyone wants that fucking job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 08, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
It's never going to pass, so who the fuck cares?  If I were Obama, I would have used this speech as an opportunity to publicly berate Republicans (and their rugged individualist Libertopian enablers, of course) as the bunch of half-bright lying shitburgers they really are.  Then I would resign, tell the country to eat a bag of dicks and fix it's own shit, and probably move to The Isle of Man or another actual first world country.  I seriously don't understand why anyone wants that fucking job.

hahaha +1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 07:41:01 PM
The speech is kinda doing that much at least- I also like the stuff to prevent descrimination against jobless- that shits distinguished mentally-challenged

And just so you guys know im all about doing my part- I donated the first 3 seasons of Buffy on DVD to the local library today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Consul on September 08, 2011, 07:46:50 PM
Honestly, I think he did a better job of "socking it to" the republicans than he ever has with this speech.  He really made it hard for republicans to weasel their way out of this one.  I will be surprised if this bill doesn't pass in some form.

I have never been a "radical" or anything but I am seriously starting to think that this country needs some kind of armed revolution/redistribution of wealth/mass euthanasia project to get back on track. Theres just too many dumb people who equate taxes with evil :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 07:48:27 PM
Its more than I was expecting, then again the number attached to this effort is less than i'd probably want
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 07:51:11 PM
Good speech, but largely irrelevant considering

1) the bill will never be passed
2) if these are such good ideas, why weren't they implemented before when dems controlled both houses
3) it sounds like a smaller stimulus bill, and the public has already determined the stimulus did not work

Obama always gives good speeches, that's nothing to be surprised over. The problem is actually implemented his pie in the sky bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 07:53:30 PM
I think the administration knows this, but it was an opportunity to brow beat the GOP a bit and show that despite their claims during debates- the administration DOES give a shit about jobs and has solid specific ideas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2011, 07:59:40 PM
Quote from: Obama
I know some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for as long as you live.  Now is not the time to carve out an exception and raise middle-class taxes, which is why you should pass this bill right away.

Glad he pointed that out. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 09, 2011, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2011, 07:51:11 PM
Good speech, but largely irrelevant considering

1) the bill will never be passed
2) if these are such good ideas, why weren't they implemented before when dems controlled both houses
3) it sounds like a smaller stimulus bill, and the public has already determined the stimulus did not work

Obama always gives good speeches, that's nothing to be surprised over. The problem is actually implemented his pie in the sky bullshit.

A problem is that Obama has been bitch made at several instances, especially now more than ever.  Hell, for the tax cut extension, he practically co-opted Republican talking points.  Nothing will happen with this bill because there's no reason for any Republicans to be interested in the bill.  If it does get passed, it will be neutered of anything worthwhile and will just be largely cutting a subsidy check to some industry who won't produce the number of jobs it intended (that way Rush Limbaugh can say "haw haw, $500,000 spent per job").

If the economy will move, it will boil down to what is already in place.  Obama might as well just berate the Republicans because he should have long since given up his idea of being some post-partisan visionary who will miraculously bring two very divided parties together.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2011, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 08, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
It's never going to pass, so who the fuck cares?  If I were Obama, I would have used this speech as an opportunity to publicly berate Republicans (and their rugged individualist Libertopian enablers, of course) as the bunch of half-bright lying shitburgers they really are.  Then I would resign, tell the country to eat a bag of dicks and fix it's own shit, and probably move to The Isle of Man or another actual first world country.  I seriously don't understand why anyone wants that fucking job.

racist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2011, 06:39:51 PM
[youtube=560,345]LoYCAACCNhk[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 09, 2011, 08:16:53 PM
What'd she say? I can't see the video.


Also, seems K-thug really likes the proposal:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/opinion/setting-their-hair-on-fire.html?_r=1&hp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2011, 09:57:40 PM
also notice how she said Bush left office with a 220b-something deficit, and Obama has increased it 10fold  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2011, 10:23:14 PM
First there were no terrorist attacks, now no bailouts. Damn, Bush's presidency is getting better and better :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 09, 2011, 10:34:26 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 09, 2011, 10:21:33 PM
And again, THE BAILOUTS HAPPENED BEFORE OBAMA

quiet with yer fax and yer learnin'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2011, 12:47:25 AM
If the Republicans were smart, they'd give him everything he asked for and then when (shocker) the economy doesn't magically get better because we hired some people to fix some roads and schools and kept paying unemployment, they can just hang that around his neck too.

Fortunately, Republicans are anything but smart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 10, 2011, 01:15:32 AM
Someone on GAF suggested that the Dems should come out with some bill that mimics tax rates we had in the 80s, and call it the "Reagan tax plan" or something to that effect. Thought it was an amusing idea.

Incidentally, I was watching Martin Bashir's show yesterday, with Ezra Klein guest hosting, and one segment really stood out to me. Ezra goes on to talk about the legislation that Reagan passed, many that would cause him to be cast out of the GOP were he alive today. He spoke for quite a bit about it and followed it up by having the new RNC Chair Reince Preibus on to comment. What I thought was noteworthy was that Preibus didn't even ATTEMPT to dispute any of the stuff Ezra said about Reagan's record. He essentially ignored it entirely. You would think that there would be one or two ways a Republican would get around such inconvenient facts, but he didn't even try.


Sure, being able to turn the top tax rate back to 50% would have a snowball's chance in hell of passing, but it would be great just to see how the reactions would be from Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 01:47:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 10, 2011, 12:47:25 AM
If the Republicans were smart, they'd give him everything he asked for and then when (shocker) the economy doesn't magically get better because we hired some people to fix some roads and schools and kept paying unemployment, they can just hang that around his neck too.

Fortunately, Republicans are anything but smart.

I was thinking that last night. Mark Zandi has estimated the bill would take unemployment down 1% point, so from 9.1 to 8.1. Obviously if that happens Obama is probably a lock; Reagan won in 1984 in part because he argued that while unemployment wasn't where they wanted it to be, it was moving in the right direction (7.8 in October 84). Given the rosy predictions that surrounded the stimulus I don't buy it though; we might run into another recession instead.

Republicans will just gimp the bill, pass something, then let Obama declare victory ("see what we can do when we work together!") and doom his own campaign. He'll jump at the bait.

bring on Pres. Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2011, 03:28:08 AM
Romney isn't going to get the nomination, Maurice.  Rick Perry can't say or do anything dumb enough to drive off Republican primary voters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2011, 03:30:45 AM
How can I make sure Perry does not win as a native Texan?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 03:36:31 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 10, 2011, 03:28:08 AM
Romney isn't going to get the nomination, Maurice.  Rick Perry can't say or do anything dumb enough to drive off Republican primary voters.

I no longer believe that, after seeing Perry call social security a massive lie that has hurt the country on national television.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2011, 03:39:39 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 03:36:31 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 10, 2011, 03:28:08 AM
Romney isn't going to get the nomination, Maurice.  Rick Perry can't say or do anything dumb enough to drive off Republican primary voters.

I no longer believe that, after seeing Perry call social security a massive lie that has hurt the country on national television.

All it will take is for Obama to mildly suggest that social security is kind of ok and Perry will be a lock.  Obama could come out against boy-fucking tomorrow and I'm convinced the next Tea Party rally would have a public demonstration of the joys of boy-fucking.  Kind of like the Catholic church, but with slightly less funny hats and no guilt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 10, 2011, 03:44:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 03:36:31 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 10, 2011, 03:28:08 AM
Romney isn't going to get the nomination, Maurice.  Rick Perry can't say or do anything dumb enough to drive off Republican primary voters.

I no longer believe that, after seeing Perry call social security a massive lie that has hurt the country on national television.

Well, here's the thing. He said he'd rid of social security pre-election for his current governor term and guess what? He was still elected. You go into this assuming republicans give a shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 03:47:41 AM
Dunno bro. Perry is gonna dominate the south; can't wait to hear what dog whistles he comes up for Mormonism down there. But when the race moves to Florida and the rest of the country, I can't see Perry getting away with apparently wanting to dismantle social security

[youtube=560,345]PVyW2c2NzyE[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]dsx2vdn7gpY[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 10, 2011, 03:54:53 AM
Yeah, going after SS/Medicare makes you a stronger Republican candidate, not a weaker one. It's NOT attacking those things that could get you in trouble (see: Newt*)

*yes, Newt's numbers were already abysmal, but they got even worse after his remarks about Ryan's plan being 'radical'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 04:11:16 PM
Romney still PD? lol. You always gravitate to the Hillary types. Tea Partier's don't care that Ricky called SS a ponzi scam. They agree with him. I welcome our future President Rick Perry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 05:00:10 PM
But will they agree with him in Florida and other big prize states? Perry might not even win a Texas primary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
Hardcore republicans dominate primaries. You are talking about a party who in blue states nominated Christine O'Donnel and Sharon Angle. He overwhelmingly crushed the "moderate" Kay Bailey Hutchinson who had the support of the Bushs, Cheney, Karl Rove, etc just last year.

You have to look at this as a GOP primary voter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 06:56:48 PM
I agreed with you until two nights ago when he doubled down on dismantling SS.  Like I said, Perry will run very strong.

Look at these primary dates sir
http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-republican-primary-schedule/

I see a lot of moderate states like NH where Romney's message will work, and states where SS scare tactics will hit home. And super tuesday:
Quote
March 6th (Super Tuesday): Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, Colorado caucuses, Idaho GOP caucuses, Minnesota Democratic caucuses

Admittedly Perry could open up a lead here. Mass and Vermont is definitely going to Roney, but I could see Perry winning everything else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 07:06:59 PM
If it is a complete blowout in Iowa and he comes close to Romney in New Hampshire I think it's all over.

The GOP of 2010, even in rather blue states, completely ignored reasonable electable candidates to pick extreme tea party candidates sent to lose when they otherwise could have won.  I see nothing that shows the primary voters have suddenly started caring about electability in less than a year. Perry skyrocketing in the polls further confirms that.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 10, 2011, 07:10:08 PM
There are many x factors that nobody has any idea about that will be factored in come primary time.  We don't know anything yet.  Perry could flame out.  Remember when McCain was pretty much down and out in 2007?  Remember how Hillary's nomination was inevitable at this point in time and Obama was just a passing fancy?

I take that back.  If there is one thing I do know, it is that Ron Paul still doesn't stand a chance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 07:14:42 PM
Is whatshisface who was convinced Ron Paul would win the 2008 primaries here still poke his head in this thread?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2011, 07:34:17 PM
Oh for fucks sakes, who let Cheebs back in?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Can't have a presidential election around here without my less than stellar wannabe Chris Matthews style analysis. PD can't carry that torch alone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2011, 07:45:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Can't have a presidential election around here without my less than stellar wannabe Chris Matthews style analysis. PD can't carry that torch alone.

Yeah, but I can avoid that bullshit by not watching fucking cable news in my day to day life, I don't want to have to deal with you fuckwads linking politico pieces non-stop and jabbering about the Overton window like you know anything on here.  Ugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 10, 2011, 07:48:38 PM
God Chris Matthews is an annoying fuck.  In fact, any cable news host that practically screams their talking points is a fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 07:52:37 PM
I was glued to MSNBC in the 08 election.  I only ever tune in for the debates now. MSNBC's schedule nowadays looks pretty terrible anyway. I mean they have Al Sharpton in prime time now, come on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 08:50:26 PM
Sharpton can't get through a sentence without stuttering and stumbling to oblivion, it's impossible to listen to the man talk; plus he never says anything interesting, I don't "get" what he contributes. I watched some of the roundtable discussion on Obama's speech, as well as the republican debate, and he contributed nothing to either topic.

Maddow is awesome, and I saw my favorite jew Ezra Klein hosting for her a couple days ago. He did surprisingly well. But yea, outside of them and Matthews, MSNBC is horrible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 10, 2011, 09:00:49 PM
You are probably obsessed with Current TV nowadays. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
I haven't seen or heard a second of He Who Must Not Be Named since he left MSNBC, thank god
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 10, 2011, 09:40:34 PM
Chris Matthews is everything that's wrong with "journalism" and Washington.  Insular, stupid and loud.  Maybe he was a good person once but these days he's just another beltway idiot.  The fact that either of you like him says a lot about you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2011, 10:16:13 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA8pCmI-UpI[/youtube]

Quote from: Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern
You know if you just look at it in practical terms, which has destroyed and ended the life of more people? Terrorism attack here in America or HIV/AIDS? In the last twenty years, fifteen to twenty years, we’ve had maybe three terrorist attacks on our soil with a little over 5,000 people regrettably losing their lives. In the same time frame, there have been hundreds of thousands who have died because of having AIDS. So which one’s the biggest threat? And you know, every day our young people, adults too, but especially our young people, are bombarded at school, in movies, in music, on TV, in the mall, in magazines, they’re bombarded with ‘homosexuality is normal and natural.’ It’s something they have to deal with every day. Fortunately we don’t have to deal with a terrorist attack every day, and that’s what I mean. It’s more dangerous, and yes I think that it’s also more dangerous because it will tear down the moral fiber of this nation. We were founded as a nation upon the principles of religion and morality, if we take those out from under our society we will lose what has made us a great nation, we will no longer be a virtuous people, which we see happening already. And without virtue this nation will not survive.

:american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 11, 2011, 04:02:02 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 10, 2011, 09:40:34 PM
Chris Matthews is everything that's wrong with "journalism" and Washington.  Insular, stupid and loud.  Maybe he was a good person once but these days he's just another beltway idiot.  The fact that either of you like him says a lot about you.

Really? Isn't it the opposite? I never saw his show during the Bush years, but from what I've read, he used to be a pretty big water carrier for Bush and the Iraq War (media matters gave him their misinformation leader of the year award for 2005, I believe). But he seems a lot more level headed nowadays.

Besides, he does a great job owning right wingers from time to time:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0d8ENS__c[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2011, 08:22:35 AM
Matthews?  Guy is fuckin awful.

On another topic, http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/94722/still-not-done-arguing-yet

:piss Magical-thinking librul wannabe martyrs :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 11, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
I just watched some clips of Keith Olbermann's new show for the first time out of curiosity. Michael Moore and the Daily Kos guy are on like every single episode it looks like lol. Really the only "librul" show I can stand watching anymore is Real Time and even then its mostly for the guests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2011, 10:12:23 AM
I don't see how anyone takes S&P seriously, considering that they consistently rated those toxic mortgage assets (you remember those, right?  the ones that were a product of magical libertopian thinking, and destroyed the economy a couple years ago) as AAA right up until the end.  There's only two possibilities when it comes to the ratings agencies- they're either in the pockets of the financial markets, or they're completely distinguished mentally-challenged and not qualified to do basic math, much less their jobs.  Neither option is particularly comforting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 11, 2011, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: JONATHAN CHAIT
Liberal critics of Obama, just like conservative critics of Republican presidents, generally want both maximal partisan conflict and maximal legislative achievement. In the real world, those two things are often at odds. Hence the allure of magical thinking.

The forum Icons should create a bot that auto-posts this as a response whenever it detects Oblivion posting about politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2011, 11:11:11 AM
I just think they're assholes, and should have been shot in mid 2008 along with everyone else involved with the housing crisis.  I really don't have an "agenda" beyond that... I think I've been fairly consistent in my interpretation and criticisms of everything that happened as a result of our Excellent Adventure in Wild West Financial Instruments.  But hey, I'm sure fewer regulations would have prevented this from happening.  Somehow.  Probably involves a double rainbow and unicorns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2011, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 11, 2011, 10:12:23 AM
I don't see how anyone takes S&P seriously, considering that they consistently rated those toxic mortgage assets as AAA right up until the end.  There's only two possibilities when it comes to the ratings agencies- they're either in the pockets of the financial markets, or they're completely distinguished mentally-challenged and not qualified to do basic math, much less their jobs.  Neither option is particularly comforting.
Consider this about the ratings agencies. They underrated everything in sight for decades. One of them, merely one, has got around to downgrading the government which would fail every GAAP audit that exists. So they could be underrating everything because of their contacts in and fear of both government and other agencies.

And the sad part, is they're the best we have, I mean unless you trust the government to properly evaluate and audit its own financial situation.
Quote from: JayDubya on September 11, 2011, 09:59:40 AM
What he said was literally incorrect - a Ponzi scheme is not structured that way
I don't know, requiring new cons to supply the funds for earlier entries?

I seem to think Flemming more or less established it's an outright Ponzi Scheme. But with the backing of the state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 11, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
by that criteria, any sort of progressive taxation is too.

oh, that must be why conservatives hate it so damn much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2011, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 11, 2011, 08:22:35 AM
Matthews?  Guy is fuckin awful.

On another topic, http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/94722/still-not-done-arguing-yet

:piss Magical-thinking librul wannabe martyrs :piss2

Usually I like his stuff, but that article is stupid - as is Western's. The fact remains that Obama had enough votes to pass much of his recent jobs pivot legislation in 09 and even in 2010 after Scott Brown won Kennedy's seat. The problem is that the administration felt the stimulus addressed the economy enough, seemed to think the fed would address unemployment, and thus moved on to other things (mainly healthcare and a weak financial regulation bill).

Soaring rhetoric doesn't pass bills, true. Obama isn't a magical being, etc. But it's also true that one of a president's most effective tools is the bully pulpit, and for a president of Obama's oratory caliber he has used this very poorly. The WH didn't trot him out to stump for the stimulus, health care, or the debt ceiling until it was too late. It took them until last week to change this, when Obama went out to stump for his doomed jobs bill right out the gate. Now, as I already said, I'm not suggesting effective use of the bully pulpit would have made legislating a walk in the park. But it's a tool best used to set your own narrative and fight for it.

At the end of the day Obama wasted the most potentially prolific period of his presidency letting Max Baucus beg Olympia Snowe for votes. And if he doesn't get re-elected we'll be able to look at 09 as not only a massive wasted opportunity, but the end of what turned out to be the most disappointing presidency in decades.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2011, 10:10:05 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 11, 2011, 12:06:55 PM
Consider this about the ratings agencies. They underrated everything in sight for decades. One of them, merely one, has got around to downgrading the government which would fail every GAAP audit that exists. So they could be underrating everything because of their contacts in and fear of both government and other agencies.

And the sad part, is they're the best we have, I mean unless you trust the government to properly evaluate and audit its own financial situation.

lolwut

As a libertarian, surely you realize the distributed wisdom of the bond market represents the "best we have" better than any one entity, even one so scrupulous and reliable as S&P.  It's funny how emphatically investors have rejected (http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=yieldYear&year=2011) S&P's assessment of the situation.

Lots of people bitch about government spending and use the language of insolvency when doing so, but how many people are willing to bet heavily against federally issued debt?  More to the point, how are their portfolios looking right about now?



PD:  oh you so dumb, you cutie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2011, 12:19:49 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 11, 2011, 09:59:40 AM
or the S&P Credit downgrade report - they repeatedly expressed that they expected entitlement reform that didn't happen.

They also mentioned the lack of coming up with revenues as reason for the downgrade.

Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on September 11, 2011, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: JONATHAN CHAIT
Liberal critics of Obama, just like conservative critics of Republican presidents, generally want both maximal partisan conflict and maximal legislative achievement. In the real world, those two things are often at odds. Hence the allure of magical thinking.

The forum Icons should create a bot that auto-posts this as a response whenever it detects Oblivion posting about politics.

 ::)

Go drink some paint thinner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 12, 2011, 08:48:03 AM
They repeatedly stated even more that all this was not so urgent that your guys should have threatened to leave their debtors unpaid unless a deal was reached
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 12, 2011, 09:45:43 AM
From their statement

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America’s governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy.


The US was on a worse debt trajectory months ago than it is after the debt deal. A major reason for s&ps downgrade now rather than months ago was that despite future debt being reduced, risk of default for debtors is now higher because 40% of the government has an open disregard for making its payments in a responsible way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 12, 2011, 09:50:05 AM
Right, so increased risk of default, as a result of major elements of government promoting the idea of default, has nothing to do with recommendations for those investing in that entity.

The number 1 difference between s&p's outlook earlier this year, and now, was the additional risk brought oon by the brinkmanship game. After that, revenues and entitlement cuts seem to be viewed equally. The fact that negotiations produced zero of the former and only some of the latter again ndicates that your guys are the problem.

Assuming you care aout s&ps outlook
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 12, 2011, 10:04:23 AM
We were put under review while the game was in progress. Obviously markets were unsettled by it before the iffy results were known. If my wife and i went to the bank for a loan and screamed at each other over whether we really wanted to pay the loan, and then we decided ok we will pay the loan, would the banker take that under consideration?

S&p spoke of three problems. you are focusing on one, because the other two are directly 100% the right's fault. Also revenue increases would solve the entitlement problem with no cuts so even the problem you do acknowledge is partially the fault of the right. There are plenty of places to cut spending, like military adventures, before we tell people to retire at 70
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 12, 2011, 05:20:16 PM
There is another debate tonight...? That seems oddly quick. There was one just last week.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 05:24:52 PM
Yea, very weird; CNN's "tea party debate." It's going up against Monday Night Football's debut too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 12, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 12, 2011, 10:14:43 AM
In other words, I don't think S&P is being petty or illogical and underrating us.  I think we're pretty much fucked already.

So you think it's likely that the US will default on its debts and that people buying bonds now are all acting irrationally?  That's pretty bold stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2011, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 12, 2011, 05:29:55 PM
Tea Party vs. New England Patriots fans?  I know what I'm doing tonight.

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:piss Tea Party :piss2
:piss football :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 12, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
LOL at the Retardlican masturbatory fantasies that the US will default on their debt.

LOL at the balanced budget amendment.  We'll see that shortly after they'll pass an amendment to ban gay marriage, flag burning, and eliminate the Senate.  No Republican seriously wants that passed because how else will they fund bombing of brownskins?  To levy more taxes against the poor and most of the middle class at this point is like squeezing blood out of a turnip.  So that leaves the top 5-10% of the country and like hell they'll pay for that shit.  This country refuses to even go back to pre 2001 tax levels.

I fully agree that we should be in the black but we really can't do that without reforming entitlements and raising revenue.  We should be looking far past Clinton tax levels and look more towards Nixon era tax levels if we really are serious about getting out of the hole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 12, 2011, 07:43:28 PM
LOL at the Retardlican masturbatory fantasies that the US will default on their debt.

bubububu the debate was hijacked by extremists, Obama had to take a shitty deal or else they would have let us default!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2011, 08:13:15 PM
I could get behind eliminating the Senate.  Or at least the filibuster.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 08:32:17 PM
oh hey, remember when dems had a chance to do that in January?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 12, 2011, 09:02:14 PM
Triumph:  Yeah, the US House of Lords f'n sucks.  On the other hand, if we had a unified government with a 50%+1 threshold for passing legislation we'd be bitching right now about how our private Social Security accounts got wiped out during the crash.  Institutional bias towards the status quo screws over the poors, but makes me feel safer when the assholes are in charge.

So maybe what we really need is, um, a lower asshole ratio in the general population?  I got nuthin.



PD:  "Don't worry about Goldwater, the money guys from out east will make sure Rockefeller gets it."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
holy shit @ at the crowd yelling "yes!" when Blitzer asked the candidates if a person without health insurance should be allowed to die.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2011, 09:45:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
holy shit @ at the crowd yelling "yes!" when Blitzer asked the candidates if a person without health insurance should be allowed to die.

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2011, 10:21:50 PM
You see Billy, when it's the Free Market letting people die, then that's awesome.  When the Govt. tells you you're gonna die, that's socialism!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
[youtube=560,345]PepQF7G-It0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 12, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 12, 2011, 10:35:28 PM
If the only options were the government paying for the care with the taxes of the populace or let him die, then by all means let him die. 

awesome another line to add to jaydub's dipshit hall of fame

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
[youtube=560,345]PepQF7G-It0[/youtube]

those pricks in the audience get to be all self-righteous because blitzer framed the question in a way that makes the guy out as irresponsible.  instead he should of asked what exactly all the people that dont have enough fucking money for coverage are supposed to do when medical care is needed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2011, 11:25:34 PM
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6:31 PM PT: Santorum says the GOP should try to appeal to Latinos by making English the official language. Seriously.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2011, 11:44:17 PM
And the evolution of the modern day Republican Party into a cliched Bond villain continues apace, I see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 11:54:51 PM
Perry looked horrible tonight, and very unprepared. The crowd was clearly on his side up until immigration came up. He was unable to defend Texas' sensible DREAM Act-esque policy of allowing the children of illegal immigrants a path to citizenship through state subsidized college. Mitt took a surprisingly hard right stance on immigration and the crowd ate it up.

The nomination is Mitt's to lose. Perry is going to be a regional candidate, winning the south and that's about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2011, 11:56:52 PM
Should I quote your waffling know-nothing ass from two pages ago or not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Also, the single statement I can agree w/ the most came from Herman Cain about the country being too uptight.  LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 12:04:53 AM
Two pages ago when I said Perry's social security comments would cost him the nom? And today, his immigration comments make things worse? Yea, I'm feeling pretty good on predictions. I thought Perry would wipe the floor with Romney initially sure, but he has killed himself in two debates in a row.

The question now is how far to the right can he drag Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2011, 12:31:19 AM
Sorry, confused you for Cheebs in my stupor.  An honest mistake that anyone could reasonably make.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2011, 12:36:08 AM
HEY you Huntsman Fagggurts. He just equated supporting smart border law with treason.

WWWWWEEEEEEE!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2011, 12:39:23 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 12, 2011, 11:11:02 PM
instead he should of asked what exactly all the people that dont have enough fucking money for coverage are supposed to do when medical care is needed.

Yes, instead it was phrased as "Young, irresponsible guy flaunts personal responsibility and gets his comeuppance SHOULD TAXPAYERS HAVE TO BEAR THE BURDEN FOR HIS POOR DECISIONS?!?!?!?!".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 12:49:17 AM
I'm no fan of Perry but it was nice to hear him point out the fact that "building a fence" to fix immigration is ludicrous - regardless of Huntsman's distinguished mentally-challenged treason charge lol. Not that I think it's him taking a courageous stance: he governs a border state with a huge immigration population, it's hard to be too insane on the issue when you actually have to deal with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2011, 12:59:57 AM
As a fellow Capt. Beefheart fan, I'm pretty sure Huntsman was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 13, 2011, 01:23:57 AM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpbP_vUMxog[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 02:00:03 AM
The GOP hijacked Paul's economic and constitutional positions; I can't wait until they hijack his foreign policy positions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 03:01:35 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
holy shit @ at the crowd yelling "yes!" when Blitzer asked the candidates if a person without health insurance should be allowed to die.



you're joking
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 03:02:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2011, 10:40:32 PM
[youtube=560,345]PepQF7G-It0[/youtube]

what the fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 13, 2011, 05:44:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 12:49:17 AM
I'm no fan of Perry but it was nice to hear him point out the fact that "building a fence" to fix immigration is ludicrous - regardless of Huntsman's distinguished mentally-challenged treason charge lol. Not that I think it's him taking a courageous stance: he governs a border state with a huge immigration population, it's hard to be too insane on the issue when you actually have to deal with it.
Perry being the governor of Texas is pretty much forced to be moderate on immigration. You can't be governor of a state with such a huge latino population and be "dem messicans are stealing our jobs!". Bush being the gov. there made him fairly moderate on the issue as well. Talking immigration is basically the only time Perry doesn't come across as fucking insane.

Which is why of course Romney is going to bring up the topic as much as he can, anytime Perry is talking immigration is a time Romney can appear more Tea Party wacko than Perry.



JayDubya thinks letting people die who can't afford health insurance is perfectly fine? Sadly not surprised.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 13, 2011, 08:42:38 AM
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2djqkg7.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 09:17:27 AM
Apparently the larger violation of the social contract concerns the distribution of tax revenue, not the protection of human life

Blitzer softballed that question. Well-off reckless young man can get his own insurance for only 300 a month and doesnt? Ok

How about a single mom with one kid, lives within her means, no leased bmw or big mortgage. Works two jobs part time, 25 hours each, doesnt qualify for insurance. Kid gets leukemia. What is the right wing solution?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
Yea, kids with leukemia are a real profit driver for their parents. Donations are often so far in excess of this country's affordable medical costs that private charter schools are opened with the bonus bux
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 10:06:08 AM
Changes mostly occurred under leftist fascist rulers like hitler and ronald reagan. The latter shocked the world by mandating that emergency rooms offer aid to those who could not pay for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Haha charity. So like the healthcare system will be a bible swap thing? Using fucking charity? Really? Lol most Americans (white people) feel that America is a-okay. You really think healthcare of a country can be funded from charity?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 13, 2011, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on September 13, 2011, 09:59:37 AM
I'm pretty sure private charity and pro bono work was the status quo before any countries instituted universal healthcare systems.

Those countries must have found the old status quo inadequate for some reason.

GS with the ether!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Haha charity.

You don't really "haha" charity.  You just (apparently) want it to be forced charity.

No, I'm haha-ing the thought process that you actually believe charity is a solution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:29:33 AM
I wish Blitz took the question further and asked at what point should such a person be removed from emergency care. Once it's clear he's in a coma, or should they wait a couple days and move him to a local church?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 11:33:27 AM
Or hold an auction for the corpse so a pharmaceutical company can resell his kidneys and retinas
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 11:41:07 AM
I watched the first debate in full, didnt need a second dose within 48 hours.

Was your comment about sympathetic cases producing charitable contributions that exceed the need serious or a joke?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
Man I wish I was a fetus so Christians would care about my well being :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
Blitzer did do a shitty job (shocking, I know) of phrasing the question- he actually said the guy was 30 and could afford health insurance but didn't buy it.  If I could afford to put health insurance into my budget, I definitely would but since I can't I don't.  There are lots of progressively shittier options for broke ass people in regards to care in my area, with the least shitty option being a clinic that offers fees on a sliding scale (you have to get there at like 7 in the morning tho to make sure you get helped) and of course the king high shitburger of the emergency room visit.  The problem is that the system is hard to navigate and not easy to understand.  If only there were some sort of central authority that could mandate a basic level of care for all!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 11:55:47 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2011, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2011, 11:12:28 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2011, 10:22:00 AM
Haha charity.

You don't really "haha" charity.  You just (apparently) want it to be forced charity.

No, I'm haha-ing the thought process that you actually believe charity is a solution.

And again, you're not getting what I'm saying.  Someone wants a service and they can't afford it.  How is what you want any less "charity?"

I'd say it's certainly no longer virtuous or altruistic your way, because it wasn't done of one's own free will.

I'm going into this thinking that people aren't as charitable as you think they are that such a system cannot sustain the millions of Americans without healthcare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
Man I wish I was a fetus so Christians would care about my well being :violin

goddamn :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2011, 11:57:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
Man I wish I was a fetus so Christians would care about my well being :violin

Ugh.  Such a stupid argument, and so widespread.

How is it a stupid argument?

If you're so willing to protect the well being of something that can't even think for itself through the doctrine of a 2000 year old book, why is it so hard to extend a hand to your fellow man simply because you don't want to pay a tax when you're making 100k a year?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
That's not the point of the argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 12:08:00 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2011, 12:01:05 PM
In any event, I don't recall feeling particularly permissive towards anyone walking up to Phoenix Dark and impaling the back of his head with scissors.

Even if I was the fed chairmen?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 13, 2011, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
Man I wish I was a fetus so Christians would care about my well being :violin
:lol

Matthews should have asked who should pay for a delivery when a woman can't afford health insurance

That is even better than my version
Title: Let me save us all some time
Post by: Mandark on September 13, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
Me:  All governments enforce some system of property rules.  Treating some good and services as being in the commons is just as valid as treating them as private property.

JD:  No, property rights are a natural right, and using force to confiscate them is a basic violation.

Me:  Well, that's how you want society to act, but right now you're in the minority.  Rights shared fictions which are determined and enforced through social processes.

JD:  No they aren't.  They exist independently of what people think.

Me:  Well, you and I have different ideas of what would constitute basic rights.

JD:  But mine are objectively true.

Me:  Can you prove that?

JD:  It's self-evident.

Me:  It's evident to your self, but not to mine.  If they are true and not a human fabrication, surely you can prove their existence in some way?

JD:  I already explained in our previous discussions that they are intangible, and by asking for evidence you are not taking this seriously!  [swearing possibly ensues]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 13, 2011, 12:14:25 PM
smfh jaydub
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
hahaha you're arguing with jaydubya.

Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 13, 2011, 01:23:25 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on September 13, 2011, 01:03:51 PM

It only works as a comic punchline, and only then if the audience doesn't think about it too much.
Kind of like Libertarianism

guess it was kind of worth it for this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2011, 02:46:11 PM
THEY EXIST BECAUSE THEY DO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 13, 2011, 05:17:31 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on September 13, 2011, 04:19:22 PM
I don't see how some intangible "natural right" to buy, sell and own property is more important than the life of every single uninsured person who shows up at the ER without any money in the bank account.

once you start thinking of uninsured people as property, it all clicks into place
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
Ah, so slavery IS still legal in America.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2011, 05:28:46 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
Ah, so slavery IS still legal in America.  :smug

And here I thought it was just in Poland!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2011, 05:56:46 PM
Elizabeth Warren is running against Scott Brown; official announcement next week.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/elizabeth-warren-officially-launching-senate-campaign-against-scott-brown.php?ref=fpb

If I wasn't going back to school next year I would figure out how to get to Mass and volunteer for her for the campaign.  She's great.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2011, 06:02:52 PM
Is there any Mass-Bore?

This needs to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 13, 2011, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:54:24 AM
Man I wish I was a fetus so Christians would care about my well being :violin

This also works with CEOs and people in permanent vegetative states.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 13, 2011, 09:10:51 PM
Ron Paul loving friend sent me this video:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
30min youtube video? I'm not surprised: a libertarian's definition "great" is "how long something is."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
30min youtube video? I'm not surprised: a libertarian's definition "great" is "how long something is."

tl;dr version:

Banks are the physical incarnation of pure evil. Gold standard, y'all!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 09:48:01 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
30min youtube video? I'm not surprised: a libertarian's definition "great" is "how long something is."

tl;dr version:

Banks are the physical incarnation of pure evil. Gold standard, y'all!

too short didn't read, please rephrase in a 30min or 30page monologue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 13, 2011, 10:15:38 PM
Galt's speech actually takes 3 hours. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 13, 2011, 10:51:29 PM
Yikes, if you expand the video description you get a bunch of tinfoil hat stuff about the Vatican running the world economy via the Jesuits and the Trilateral Commission.

Also, comment on the first page:

Quote
Stupid??? You really don't know what your talking about do you? If currency is not backed by something of worth then it is worthless. A dollar used to represent a dollar worth of gold. Now it represents nothing, it is worth nothing, logically.

Yeah!  You knew a dollar was worth something because it used to buy a dollar's worth of gold, which has an intrinsic value of... a dollar!  Try buying a dollar's worth of gold today, and see if they'll accept a dollar.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It would be worth having FoC back if it meant another gold standard rant from Patel.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 13, 2011, 11:25:09 PM
Wow, never would have guessed Rick Perry would be to the left of Jaydubya.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-taken-aback-by-audience-cheering-hypothetical-death-of-uninsured-man/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 13, 2011, 11:25:09 PM
Wow, never would have guessed Rick Perry would be to the left of Jaydubya.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-taken-aback-by-audience-cheering-hypothetical-death-of-uninsured-man/

From the comments page:

Quote
Like forced vaccination on pre-adolescent, not yet sexually active grade schoolers.  That is not life saving, it is stripped liberty.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 13, 2011, 11:31:43 PM
The comments on that page from the Tea Partiers are actually fairly subdued (relatively speaking) interestingly enough. I guess they realize they can't actually defend such people without proving the point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 13, 2011, 11:40:53 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 13, 2011, 11:25:09 PM
Wow, never would have guessed Rick Perry would be to the left of Jaydubya.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-taken-aback-by-audience-cheering-hypothetical-death-of-uninsured-man/

From the comments page:

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Like forced vaccination on pre-adolescent, not yet sexually active grade schoolers.  That is not life saving, it is stripped liberty.

:rofl

It's that girl's God-given right to develop cervical cancer some day. How dare you take that from her!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 11:59:20 PM
jeez, Jews are abandoning dems/Obama like crazy tonight in NY-09. Some numbers from sunday
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/11/1015884/-NY-09:-Obama-turns-Weprin-into-Toast-Turner-Leads-47-41-Updates

Looks like the republican is going to win by 10%, the same margin Obama won the district back in 2008. Weiner fans tended to glance over his super pro-Israel stances
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 14, 2011, 06:13:30 AM
You thought there was going to be a counter-wave to the Democrats? Congress is long gone, regardless if Obama somehow finds himself with a second term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 14, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
Slut
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2011, 10:13:55 AM
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GARDASIL helps protect males and females ages 9 to 26 from 90% of genital warts cases. GARDASIL also helps protect females ages 9 to 26 from about 75% of cervical, 70% of vaginal, and up to 50% of vulvar cancer cases.

Green Shinobi was working on a vaccine that would work against 100% of the HPV strains all the time and it was going to be really awesome, but then big pharma ruined it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 14, 2011, 11:41:09 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#44511553

haha poor Ron Paul sounds like some crazy gold prospector when he talks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2011, 12:09:18 PM
CONSTITUTIOOOOOOOOOON! 

[youtube=560,345]2FzJfxyugek&[/youtube]

RON PAUL 2012!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 14, 2011, 12:21:41 PM
In the fifth grade when I tried out for the basketball team we were doing shots from 11 different locations near the goal.  I was nervous because not only was I younger than most of the guys, I was the new kid in a school with about 60 kids.  So some of the guys waiting in line after me were talking shit while I was trying to concentrate.  My sister's boyfriend who was on the varsity 7th grade team (and the only other black kid in school besides my sister) punched one of them in the stomach for me.  Nice guy.  I ended up making the team but I became smitten with band instead and dropped basketball in the 6th grade. 

The lesson I learned from that year was that I probably would have been more successful and less of an outcast if I would have stuck with basketball instead of becoming a band geek.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2011, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 14, 2011, 12:16:36 PM
This isnt related to anything currently being discussed but I thought I'd share a story.

In fifth grade, I was on a basketball team. At half time, we switched baskets and had a new jump off. The jump off concluded with me with the ball. I immediately started running towards the basket, everyone else went the other way and one of the referees blew his whistle so I stopped. It turns out that everyone else had gone the wrong way, and the majority of people were confused because of the hoop switch. What I should have done was finish my drive and taken the easy shot.

The lesson I learned that day was being in the minority does not make you wrong.

However, wanting to do away with all regulations on the financial sector makes you a fucking moron.  Or in your case, blatantly overlooking that because HEY WEED makes you a useful idiot for shady characters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2011, 12:26:22 PM
Being in the minority also doesn't make you RIGHT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2011, 12:52:08 PM
I'd also like to share a story.  When I was in fifth grade I was on a rec league soccer team.  One game, the ref blew the whistle to start and I assumed my position as centre-back.  However, instead of paying attention to the game, my teammates started telling smugly self-congratulatory anecdotes and acting like they knew shit about epidemiology.  We lost that game.

The lesson I learned that day was not to trust libertarian autodidacts to make health policy or maintain and offside trap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2011, 01:10:19 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 14, 2011, 12:50:15 PM
All I was saying, which like I said is outside any conversation going on or any other views I have is this:

Even if someone were to come along with an objectively perfect plan (if such a thing exists) for our country, and again I don't think Ron Paul or any candidate we have to choose from is perfect, we'd probably shoe them off as crazy.

How high are you right now?  Real talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 14, 2011, 01:12:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 14, 2011, 12:52:08 PM
I'd also like to share a story.  When I was in fifth grade I was on a rec league soccer team.  One game, the ref blew the whistle to start and I assumed my position as centre-back.  However, instead of paying attention to the game, my teammates started telling smugly self-congratulatory anecdotes and acting like they knew shit about epidemiology.  We lost that game.

The lesson I learned that day was not to trust libertarian autodidacts to make health policy or maintain and offside trap.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 14, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
Spencer, if the best of your contribution to the thread/debate is going to consist of irrelevant childhood sporting anecdotes, you will have earned the ridicule.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 14, 2011, 01:51:51 PM
Lets save this tuff talk when Ron is running in the national election!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 14, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FOj0dDyraGg/TCrhqU9Xm_I/AAAAAAAAAf4/tGCkKgZm7Cg/s320/DeuceBigalow_FluisaJabbatheSlutNaomi.jpg

Cakes and pies.  Cakes and pies!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 14, 2011, 02:04:04 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 14, 2011, 04:02:59 PM
Sooooo... Sarah Palin fucked Glen Rice. Too bad she isn't relevant politically anymore or maybe I could have tried to care about this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2011, 04:04:13 PM
Hell yeah, girl, get that black dick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 14, 2011, 04:05:50 PM
What I found surprising was how quickly the mainstream media types like the Washington Post reported it. Usually this stuff has to be all over before the big guys report it. Crazy. Good for Glen Rice though.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 14, 2011, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
30min youtube video? I'm not surprised: a libertarian's definition "great" is "how long something is."

Actually, he said that it's the "cliffs notes" version of "The Creature From Jeckyll Island", his favorite book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 14, 2011, 04:11:27 PM
As much as I hate Sarah Palin I can't help but hate that this is the perfect example of what's wrong with "news" in the US. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2011, 04:13:58 PM
I like Palin more now

but yea, the media sucks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 14, 2011, 04:17:27 PM
Is this just reaction to the Edwards stuff? Because if I remember right the Edwards stuff was reported by the national enquirer and all over the internet but TV and the papers refused to touch it, it wasn't till Edwards himself came out that they reported it. But this? It was all over the media soon as it hit the national enquirer and the internet.

Or just the strange Palin obsession the media has. With her not running and not in office she should not be covered, she is meaningless. She deserves as much media attention as Dan Quayle.

Also she wasn't even married so yeah. I mean even Obama admits to fucking at least one white girl in college in his autobiography.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2011, 04:32:58 PM
Jon Stewart was right, the media functionally IS the dog w/ the short attention span from Up.  SQUIRREL!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2011, 06:19:12 PM
And how do you check something like that? Rice says he banged her
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2011, 06:23:30 PM
Guys. Guys. You aren't seeing the big picture. SARAH PALIN -- one of the faces of the modern neocon movement, FUCKED A BLACK MAN.

How is this not news?!?!?!

If I were white, poor and a neocon Palin supporter I wouldn't know who to trust if I found this out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
My friend who has a thing for asian dudes (he's gay) told me that asian dudes actually can have big cocks. he said the biggest dick he saw belonged to an asian man. i don't believe him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
ok
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2011, 06:31:58 PM
sarah palin was hot in the 80's
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 14, 2011, 07:31:58 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on September 14, 2011, 04:01:49 PM
It's really sad that vaccinating innocent 12 year olds against HPV gets far more of an outcry than executing innocent prisoners.

The death penalty is banned in my state.  Coastfags lose again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 14, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
scott palin is crying tears of inadequacy tonight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 14, 2011, 10:45:31 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on September 14, 2011, 04:17:27 PM
Also she wasn't even married so yeah. I mean even Obama admits to fucking at least one white girl in college in his autobiography.

But Obama, AFAIK, didn't put on a holier than thou on pre-marital sex, focus on his campaign.

Quote from: Spencer on September 14, 2011, 06:22:39 PM
You know I probably should have posted my little true story in a different thread. It really had nothing to do with my views on Ron Paul or libertarianism. Sure it my point might have been stupid but hand me my ass for that, not views that I didn't even bring up. I'm actually pretty disappointed in how Paul fared in the debates.

You shoulda went bigger, yo. Rick Perry compared himself to Galileo. That's how you do it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2011, 04:04:34 AM
The National Enquirer story is meant to be a leak from that upcoming Rogue book, right?  If so, it probably got picked up on the credibility of the author (who I think was the same guy who rented a house next to hers or something?), and it's possible that people in the media were aware of this tidbit before, but it was off the record/they needed the Enquirer to break it to not feel embarrassed.

Either way, I'm taking the same position as with the Christine O'Donnell kiss-and-tell piece.  She's not alleged to have done anything wrong, she's certainly not alleged to have done anything that would impact her performance as an officeholder (or even a pundit, really), and the coverage is more than a tiny bit sexist.  I don't mind people talking about it here, since it unifies the Bore's love of politics, retired cagers, and BBC.  But let's not try to justify this as a real story.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2011, 04:13:18 AM
Okay, I just looked up Joe McGinniss, and he wrote The Selling Of The President 1968.  Whaaaaaaaat?  Apparently he was in his 20's, which is why he's not dead, but that's still crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 15, 2011, 08:14:47 AM
Also how did this make the news yet the recently released Jackie Kennedy tapes in which she says she doesn't like Martin Luther King Jr because he was into orgies doesn't cause anyone to bat an eye. That revelation is far weirder to me. For some reason I am not surprised Palin was into BBC. But MLK being a orgy man?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 10:23:15 AM
Is there a such thing as a man who's not into orgies?  Seriously?  Besides Jerry Seinfeld
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 11:39:10 AM
Quote from: Cheebo on September 15, 2011, 08:14:47 AM
Also how did this make the news yet the recently released Jackie Kennedy tapes in which she says she doesn't like Martin Luther King Jr because he was into orgies doesn't cause anyone to bat an eye. That revelation is far weirder to me. For some reason I am not surprised Palin was into BBC. But MLK being a orgy man?

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lllypgHCRR1qk3zpoo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Has this been posted? Ron Paul's campaign manager died of pneumonia because he didn't have health insurance (and his friends/family couldn't muster up enough to save him):

http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/was-ron-paul-thinking-his-former-campai (http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/was-ron-paul-thinking-his-former-campai)

This actually happened in 2008, though. So if nothing else you gotta give credit to him for sticking to his guns, even if it means the death of a friend.  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on September 15, 2011, 08:14:47 AM
Also how did this make the news yet the recently released Jackie Kennedy tapes in which she says she doesn't like Martin Luther King Jr because he was into orgies doesn't cause anyone to bat an eye. That revelation is far weirder to me. For some reason I am not surprised Palin was into BBC. But MLK being a orgy man?

Are you fucking kidding me? MLK jr was a pro philander.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
So if nothing else you gotta give credit to him for sticking to his guns, even if it means the death of a friend.  :usacry

no that just makes him considerably more stupid.

also lol isn't ron paul pretty rich?  he couldn't cough up enough to save his friend?  or to pay him enough so the guy could afford insurance in the first place?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2011, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
So if nothing else you gotta give credit to him for sticking to his guns, even if it means the death of a friend.  :usacry

no that just makes him considerably more stupid.

also lol isn't ron paul pretty rich?  he couldn't cough up enough to save his friend?  or to pay him enough so the guy could afford insurance in the first place?

His friend made a lot of critical mistakes in his life, and he had to learn the price of those mistakes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 04:33:54 PM
If only I hadn't caught pneumonia, I wouldn't have to die!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
I wonder if his campaign manager had any change of heart on his beliefs before it all went down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 04:57:44 PM
"... i wish i would have been campaign manager for a better-funded candidate"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 05:22:55 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/15/john-boehner-jobs-speech-obama-plan_n_964587.html - looooooooool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
I think what it comes down to is that the Paul approach sounds like it should be considered- until its you thats sick and up shit creek. I like to think we're a country thats not a bunch of selfish asshats, but whatever- if people wanna live in a country thats bullshit go ahead and vote for bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 05:35:41 PM
Well to be honest, MAF, medicine would be a whole lot cheaper if we brought back snake oil salesmen.  Pharmaceutical companies need competition from homeopathy and people deserve the right to be tricked and make stupid, uninformed mistakes with their health.  That's what freedom is all about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
I just want to live in a country where I dont feel like a big fucking asshole that sells himself out to anyone with a dollar and fucks people up the ass and ruins birthday parties and then says woooo GOD RULES#1 death pentalty but OMG SAVE BABIES FROM ABORTIONZ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 05:39:48 PM
I'm honestly pro death penalty and pro choice.  I guess in the end, I just like killing people.  At least I don't discriminate. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 05:41:41 PM
I'm anti-death penalty, pro-choice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
So if nothing else you gotta give credit to him for sticking to his guns, even if it means the death of a friend.  :usacry
also lol isn't ron paul pretty rich?  he couldn't cough up enough to save his friend?  or to pay him enough so the guy could afford insurance in the first place?

Quote
Despite Paul’s insistence that charity is the appropriate response to America’s uninsured crisis, Snyder’s friends raised $34,870.53, far short of the $400,000 necessary to pay off his bills. View a screen shot below

That in itself was probably more than Ron Paul's campaign coffers accumulated within the past ten years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
im pro choice not because of how I feel about babies, but how I feel about a womans right to choose- has little to do with stance on death penalty for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 05:44:15 PM
Yep, a woman's right to choose is important to me. Her body, her choice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 05:53:05 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 15, 2011, 05:46:47 PM
They truly are unrelated polarizing issues, but don't try to convince anyone of that in a heated debate.

yeah its a lot more fun to just belittle them until they stop talking to you forever
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2011, 05:54:32 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
So if nothing else you gotta give credit to him for sticking to his guns, even if it means the death of a friend.  :usacry
also lol isn't ron paul pretty rich?  he couldn't cough up enough to save his friend?  or to pay him enough so the guy could afford insurance in the first place?

Quote
Despite Paul’s insistence that charity is the appropriate response to America’s uninsured crisis, Snyder’s friends raised $34,870.53, far short of the $400,000 necessary to pay off his bills. View a screen shot below

That in itself was probably more than Ron Paul's campaign coffers accumulated within the past ten years.

The article specifically mentions that the guy who died was integral in the Paul campaign pulling in $35 million
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 06:05:56 PM
I dont really have a solid position on the death penalty. EXCEPT that I do know that people shouldnt be excited about it, as is often the case with conservatives. I think depending on the context a persons stance on the death penalty can change- and i've just never been in the position to feel either way about it.

Its easier with other controversial issues like say abortion where I can say with certainty that I dont feel I even have a say when a woman choses to do it.

Edit for makingsensity
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 06:09:57 PM
I don't have a moral problem with the death penalty, but for me it's more of a practical issue.

If you're going to kill someone, there should be 0% doubt that the person in question is guilty. The problem as we've seen is that many innocent people are wrongly executed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 06:17:40 PM
It's not that I don't think some people deserve to die in this world, it's that I don't think the government has the right to judge whether someone should die or not unless the crimes are crimes against humanity (ie, the recent drug cartel incidents in Mexico, fuck putting those guys in jail but fuck using the death penalty too. mobilize an army)

Also, I am a natural skeptic. If someone is innocent, it would be dreadful for them to be executed and for me, one innocent being executed is one too many.

In Texas for example, Rick Perry executed an innocent man and tried to cover it up. The whole thing is suspect and the opposite of humane -- which many death penalty advocates purport death by execution being: humane justification.

In reality, any time I see an execution push, it reeks of bloodbath and blood lust more so than the multi-definable word "justice", which more often than not, is only a means of "justifying" your views over someone else, and in this case, a human life.

TLDR; death penalty is a vapid, hypocritical justification of an age old solution. it is inhumane, and against the virtue of democracy. Call me a hippie but I look at other first world countries, and they don't support the death penalty. It just feels backwards. Our prisons need reform, THAT should be the issue, not the death penalty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 15, 2011, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
So if nothing else you gotta give credit to him for sticking to his guns, even if it means the death of a friend.  :usacry
also lol isn't ron paul pretty rich?  he couldn't cough up enough to save his friend?  or to pay him enough so the guy could afford insurance in the first place?

Quote
Despite Paul’s insistence that charity is the appropriate response to America’s uninsured crisis, Snyder’s friends raised $34,870.53, far short of the $400,000 necessary to pay off his bills. View a screen shot below

That in itself was probably more than Ron Paul's campaign coffers accumulated within the past ten years.

 with an situation so sympathetic it is shocking that it did not draw charity far in excess of the actual costs. There is no government solution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 15, 2011, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 15, 2011, 06:01:05 PM
MAF -- not an attack, I'm wondering -- if you're anti death penalty, do you not think there are people who deserve to die in this world?

Or do you just feel the risk of innocent life lost is too much? Wouldn't that same falsely tried person suffer more with life in prison?

Edit: Himu, I see you're anti as well feel free to jump in on that.

"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends." - Gandalf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 08:03:38 PM
Whoa. Didn't mean to start a debate in here. Although I am pro death penalty and pro choice I hope no one seriously thought I was relating the two issues. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
So it sounds like none of the "jobs act" will be passed. Horay for bipartisanship :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 08:17:38 PM
It's all dem regulations....despite there being more regulations in the 90s.....it's all dem TAXES...despite tax rates already being really low.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 08:19:01 PM
lowest in 60 years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 08:21:33 PM
Doesn't matter mericans unhappy mericans vote ANYONE into office to send a message that deems sux and they want at least 4 years of even more dysfunctional govt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 08:22:14 PM
Bachmann is truly the president America deserves
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 15, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
I'm starting to think that too, were distinguished mentally-challenged, give us distinguished mentally-challenged leaders
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 15, 2011, 08:35:38 PM
The jobs bill was really a litmus test to see how effective Obama's leadership is since this is the hardest he has pressed for anything since maybe early 2010.  We'll see what happens.

Also, I'm anti-death penalty and pro choice.  Well, I'm more pro abortion than pro choice - I don't think we abort enough babies and the government should do everything in its power to make the abortion process as seamless as possible.  As I said a few posts up, the death penalty is banned in my state with virtually no chance of that changing.  Even for someone who did the most vile, extreme shit committed.  In that case, I imagine it could be a boon for psychologists to study.  I think the death penalty is a feel good measure so people think that justice has been served for killing a distinguished black fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 08:52:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
So it sounds like none of the "jobs act" will be passed. Horay for bipartisanship :bow

Why didn't the administration go for this when the dens had the house?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
I think qualifying cases for the death penalty is way too lenient. 1St degree murder? Fuck no. Life in jail. Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein or Gadhaffi? Kill em. They'd just cause too much trouble alive and captive.  Not to mention I believe they deserve it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 09:09:33 PM
hey i'd love to see douchbags get killed too.  thing is, there's just way to many cases where an innocent person is killed because of legal system fuckery.  there's no real way to safeguard against all the potentional holes in our system, so the death penalty has got to go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
That's I dont support its current form. Im talking about people who flaunt their crime in front of the whole world with no remorse.  People who create suffering on a massive scale. And I'm not saying I'll root for them to die or feel good. I just won't bat an eye if it happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Wait let me point out my hypocrisy. I cheered when bin laden died.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 15, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
I'm death penalty ambivalent, and probably the closest this board has to someone anti-abortion other than JayDub.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 15, 2011, 09:34:29 PM
I think there's a difference between Bin Ladin and some of the criminals on death row.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 15, 2011, 09:38:10 PM
As for the discussion regarding murder vs. serial killers/genocide/terrorism, etc, I think Eddie Izzard put it best:

[youtube=560,345]BFtkJd8w5UQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 09:51:10 PM
I don't support the death penalty, and while I didn't cheer Bin Laden's death I was certainly glad he was brought to justice. Personally I would have loved for him to have been taken alive and given a fair trial for all to see, but I understand why the administration didn't take him alive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2011, 09:51:34 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on September 15, 2011, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Wait let me point out my hypocrisy. I cheered when bin laden died.

I got hammered, smoked cigars and got laid. I partied like a motherfucker that day.

One more relative out of the line of succession, huh?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
Quote from: Wrath2X on September 15, 2011, 09:48:55 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 09:19:27 PM
Wait let me point out my hypocrisy. I cheered when bin laden died.

I got hammered, smoked cigars and got laid. I partied like a motherfucker that day.

i plan on doing that when dick cheney goes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 10:43:02 PM
do you plan on focusing on a specific area of policy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2011, 10:48:08 PM
I doubt it. Go into business if you want to get a job
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 15, 2011, 11:08:46 PM
wrong.  there's plenty of good opportunities out there, if you go into the right area of specialization.  my fiancees specializing in environmental public policy and a great high-job is basically guaranteed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2011, 11:57:43 PM
Here's a follow up on that story about Ron Paul's campaign manager dying from lack of health insurance:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/09/15/320114/obamacare-ron-paul-staffer/

Apparently, the dude couldn't get health insurance cause of pre-existing conditions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2011, 12:02:36 AM
The Market has spoken- the lives of Libertarians are worthless!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 12:35:58 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#44544050

EXOTIC SNAKE IMPORT REGS KILLING ECONOMY! SAVE US CONGRESS!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2011, 12:55:33 AM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 12:35:58 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#44544050

EXOTIC SNAKE IMPORT REGS KILLING ECONOMY! SAVE US CONGRESS!!!

Why is this real life? Why isn't this from The Onion?  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2011, 01:12:58 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/15/us-supreme-court-halts-texas-execution-convicted-murderer/%20%20?test=latestnews

holy poop
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2011, 01:35:55 AM
Maybe they'll save the most likely innocent dude about to get killed in Georgia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 16, 2011, 06:49:31 AM
From something awful. Tea Partiers after finding out someone doesn't have health insurance:

(http://i.imgur.com/SxsGK.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 16, 2011, 08:10:11 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2011, 10:24:06 AM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 01:09:49 PM
So wrong, but also true
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 19, 2011, 02:54:44 AM
I just watched some 2008 Obama campaign videos.  I'm sorry, there's no way he loses 2012.  Let's look at this:

-Improved health care
-Out of Iraq
-Success in Libya
-Jobs bill
-Bin Laden Death mostly orchestrated by him

The economy is shit because of Bush, and it would be getting better if not for an awful republican congress.  Obama wins over Perry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2011, 03:04:25 AM
If Perry gets the nom, sure. But if it's Romney, in late November 2012 get ready for Fox News to wonder why the mainstream media isn't focusing on the diversity angle of President-elect Romney's victory, being a Mormon and all. Is it because he's white? More after the break!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 19, 2011, 11:05:35 AM
aww yeah stickin it to the orange dudes crappy speech
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 19, 2011, 11:07:06 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 19, 2011, 02:54:44 AM
I just watched some 2008 Obama campaign videos.  I'm sorry, there's no way he loses 2012.  Let's look at this:

-Improved health careThe public at large doesn't think so, they think it did the opposite. Even though they are wrong. "Obamacare" is a net negative for Obama.
-Out of IraqThe public doesn't care about foreign policy with how horrible the economy is. It isn't an important issue at all in this election
-Success in LibyaSee Iraq
-Jobs billThe one he proposed? Yeah he can campaign on that
-Bin Laden Death mostly orchestrated by himSee Iraq

The economy is shit because of Bush, and it would be getting better if not for an awful republican congress.  Obama wins over Perry.
I only see one of those you listed being something useful to campaign on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 19, 2011, 11:09:44 AM
Its really all about perception- angry voters have very little sense; see 2010 where they voted in a bunch of distinguished mentally-challenged fellows that eithe obstruct, or destroy middle class opportunities.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 19, 2011, 11:12:10 AM
No undecided voter is going to dwell on Libya or Osama as a deciding factor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 19, 2011, 04:56:34 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/09/26/110926ta_talk_surowiecki
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 19, 2011, 07:20:49 PM
Starting tomorrow, Don't Ask Don't Tell will officially be dead, and gay Americans will be able to serve openly in the military.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
Thank You Based Lieberman
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 19, 2011, 07:23:47 PM
And the day after, Washington, D.C. will become a pillar of salt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 19, 2011, 08:19:01 PM
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel/2011/09/19/19_krugman.o.jpg/a_560x375.jpg)

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 19, 2011, 09:58:45 PM
stolen 4 facebook
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 19, 2011, 11:49:53 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 19, 2011, 07:20:49 PM
Starting tomorrow, Don't Ask Don't Tell will officially be dead, and gay Americans will be able to serve openly in the military.

and not a single fuck was given that day
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 19, 2011, 11:51:49 PM
oh, i imagine many a fuck is given and received :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 20, 2011, 01:24:07 AM
Tea Party Rep. struggling to get by on a mere $400,000: (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/tea-party-rep-john-fleming-only-400000-left-)

Quote
Tea party Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) used himself as an example Monday while arguing against President Barack Obama's plan to make sure millionaires pay about the same tax rate as the people that work for them.

"In my own case, I own LLCs," Fleming told MSNBC's Chris Jansing. "The income flows to my personal tax return and whatever is left over after taxes are paid, I feed my family on the one hand and on the other hand, I reinvest in my business."

"With all due respect, The Wall Street Journal estimated that your businesses, which I believe are Subway sandwich shops and UPS stores -- very successful -- brought you last year, over $6 million," Jansing noted.

"Yeah, that's before you pay 500 employees, you pay rent, you pay equipment and food," Fleming agreed. "Since my net income -- and again, that's the individual rate that I told you about -- the amount that I have to reinvest in my business and feed my family is more like $600,000 of that $6.3 million. And so by the time I feed my family, I have maybe $400,000 left over to invest in new locations, upgrade my locations, buy more equipment."

"You do understand, Congressman, the average person out there making 40, 50, $60,000 a year, when they hear that you have $400,000 left over, it's not exactly a sympathetic position?" Jansing asked.

"Again, class warfares never created a job," Fleming replied. "That's people that will not get jobs. This is all about creating jobs. It's not about attacking people who make certain incomes. You know, in this country, most people feel that being successful in their businesses is a virtue, not a vice. And once we begin to identify it as a vice, this country is going down."

It wasn't clear if the numbers cited by Fleming included his $174,000 congressional salary.


:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 20, 2011, 01:35:11 AM
I want to see a liberal run with the class warfare baton, and point out that one side of the war has been reaming the other side for decades now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 20, 2011, 01:47:52 AM
Clean up the tax code for folks that own a subway
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on September 20, 2011, 05:01:00 AM
Goodbye $5 foot longs  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 20, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
Thanks OBAMA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2011, 11:56:34 AM
Elizabeth Warren is already leading Scott Brown in MA  ???

from PPP
Quote
Elizabeth Warren: 46 (32)
Scott Brown (R-inc): 44 (47)
Undecided: (21)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 20, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
Bye bye Senator "I drive a truck"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 20, 2011, 03:10:25 PM
I still expect Republicans will have a net increase in the senate with or without Scott Brown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2011, 03:48:40 PM
They'll win the senate; dem gains in 2006 were so huge that this scenario has been likely for years. If the polls are right, dems could re-take the house though. The problem is that so many states went completely red in 2010 that the GOP can solidify seats through redistricting. Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, PA, etc are all going to turn into a republican firewall on the local level.

If the economy doesn't turn around we could be looking at President Romney with slim republican majorities in the house and senate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 20, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
Dems aren't retaking the house, with or without an Obama victory. No way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2011, 04:10:29 PM
Agreed, but the GOP house's poll numbers are worse than any other congress' in modern years. So it could switch, but I agree that most likely they'll hold on.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 20, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
Public hates both parties especially for congress, nobody is really at an advantage. I don't expect many seats to change hands in the house. Senate will purely becauses Dems won so many seats in 2006 that would be unwinable in any other year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 20, 2011, 04:19:45 PM
It wont switch- voters are morons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 20, 2011, 04:21:02 PM
Vice President Marco Rubio here we come.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2011, 04:26:39 PM
The democratic party will be in shambles in the 2012 aftermath. There are no solid candidates on the horizon, Hillary isn't running, Edwards lol, etc. Obama is the new Carter after all :violin

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 20, 2011, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2011, 04:26:39 PM
The democratic party will be in shambles in the 2012 aftermath. There are no solid candidates on the horizon, Hillary isn't running, Edwards lol, etc. Obama is the new Carter after all :violin


Andrew Cuomo clearly wants to be the 2016 nominee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 20, 2011, 05:03:51 PM
I don't know if this country can survive another repub disaster.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 20, 2011, 06:16:40 PM
Voters are dumb and either vote over single issues or their feelings OR the most self critical side (dems) decide the best way to send a message to our dem politicians is to shoot ourselves in the face. GOP here we come!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 20, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
The biggest problem I'm having right now with the Cheebs/Maurice Amateur Hour commentary is trying to figure out which one is Halperin.  Probably Cheebs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 20, 2011, 07:14:47 PM
Is there any legimite reason people are assuming the Dems take over the House? I keep hearing this a lot, but it seems like a pretty tall order, especially with the lead the Reps got in the mid terms.


In other news, Bill O'reilly once again proves he's America's number 1 patriot by threatening to STOP MAKING ANY MONEY ENTIRELY if  Chairman ObaMAO raises his taxes:

http://www.newshounds.us/2011/09/20/bill_oreilly_threatens_to_quit_if_higher_taxes_for_millionaires_are_enacted.php


:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 20, 2011, 08:15:13 PM
I don't know.

We're dealing with such a special brand of crazy that I could easily see people getting turned off to the GOP.  I could easily see the GOP whipping itself up into such a frenzy that embarrassing, seat costing gaffes could happen left and right at several levels.  We saw this already in a few instances with the 2010 race -- the Republicans very well could have taken over the Senate if it wasn't for the batshittery of the Sharron Angles and Christine O'Donnells.

I'm cautiously pessimistic about 2012.  I think Obama can win (it won't be margins that we saw in 2008; an inverse of the 2004 results is much more likely) but I don't hold much faith for Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2011, 09:11:24 PM
The public continually rewards republicans for this bullshit, then when things get worse they wonder what happened. Case in point: Rick Snyder here in Michigan. He became governor last year in a blowout election because the economy sucked, our previous governor was ineffective, and people wanted a change. Well guess what, now he's attacking unions, cutting education, etc and his numbers are in the dumps. No one gave the democratic candidate a chance last year, despite this being a solid blue state for decades.

People love being told their troubles exist just because somebody is taking their money, or wasting it. Republicans are running on a national platform to turn Medicare into a voucher system and people are STILL giving them the benefit of the doubt.

We deserve Bachmann, I swear. Michelle Bachmann with Zell Miller as her VP. Of course, once a lowly democrat takes over 4-8 years later the public will be like "wtf, why are things still shitty! fuckin democrats"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 20, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 20, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
This is the problem, the majority are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

How do you reconcile that with the libertarian view of human economic behavior?  Real question, no troll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 20, 2011, 11:37:14 PM
Who would win in a fist fight? Nader or Ron Paul- Nader is on The Last Word right now- hes lookin pretty rough; ron paul still looks like a scrapper---a crazy prospector scrapper but still
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 20, 2011, 11:42:06 PM
Did anyone read Nader's novel, where a bunch of rich people (real life ones like George Soros) decide they need to band together and save the world?  It sounded nuts, like a Bizarro Atlas Shrugged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2011, 12:45:39 AM
I feel bad for Ralph.  He did a lot of great things in his life but is increasingly becoming a crazy old man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 21, 2011, 08:08:25 AM
70's Ralph Nader was a badass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 21, 2011, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 20, 2011, 11:42:06 PM
Did anyone read Nader's novel, where a bunch of rich people (real life ones like George Soros) decide they need to band together and save the world?  It sounded nuts, like a Bizarro Atlas Shrugged.

...well, the book is titled, "Only the Super-Rich Can Save Us!"  At least it isn't hiding behind a pretense of sanity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 12:23:01 PM
Elizabeth Warren destroying Mark Halperin's attempt to throw her off course
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/44607826#44607826

this fucking guy  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 21, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
Everytime I see Halperin I want to punch him in the face. He is the worst of the worst in the "WHO IS WINNING THE NEWS CYCLE TODAY?!?!" land of journalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 12:50:15 PM
obligatory
[youtube=560,345]m1JAZwOSA1s[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 21, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
as much dissatisfaction as there is with the congress, I really don't know if its actually all that bad for the GOP.  Republicans seem to pride themselves on cynicism about governance.  If the government really can't do shit and isn't all that helpful doesn't that just prove their point even more?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 21, 2011, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 21, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
as much dissatisfaction as there is with the congress, I really don't know if its actually all that bad for the GOP.  Republicans seem to pride themselves on cynicism about governance.  If the government really can't do shit and isn't all that helpful doesn't that just prove their point even more?

It's hard to take that argument seriously when they're the ones being ineffective.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 21, 2011, 01:39:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 21, 2011, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 21, 2011, 01:00:56 PM
as much dissatisfaction as there is with the congress, I really don't know if its actually all that bad for the GOP.  Republicans seem to pride themselves on cynicism about governance.  If the government really can't do shit and isn't all that helpful doesn't that just prove their point even more?

It's hard to take that argument seriously when they're the ones being ineffective.
Not according to the evening news who does as much as they can to remain "neutral". 

Edit: speaking of, we have a local news thing here in Houston that's made to appeal to youths.  It's a neat concept except the guy that hosts is a pretty big libertarian douchebag.  It's called Newsfix.  If you try to engage them in actual debate about the slant he tilts on all the news story you get no response.  It's supposed to be interactive news via their Facebook and emails.  It's bullshit.  Unless you say something really stupid like "YOU GUYZ ARE BIASED!" or suck their cock like "I NEVER WATCHED NEWS BEFORE YOU GUYS ROCK" they ignore you. 

the other day the douchebag posts a story he wrote on the Newsfix Facebook page calling out Obama for moving away from compromise by saying he'll veto any cuts that come across his desk without revenue increases.  So I respond to the story and say "So when Obama says he'll veto anything without revenue increases it's 'moving away from compromise' but when Boehner says he won't accept anything with revenue increases that's compromise?  Gotcha"  I got no responses besides a bunch of hurr durr idiots saying "That's more change, out of our pockets."  (out of curiosity I decided to look up this dbags Facebook and he seems to be a fucking carpet cleaner.  I'm sure he makes over a million a year ::) )

At the end of every newscast he does closing comments where he puts his stupid spin on stories of the day.  He said he wanted people to be more vocal on Facebook and engage in real debate.  He brought up a comment from someone who said that corporations need to pay their fair share and he brought up the rebuttal of "durr, corporations are made of people and people pay taxes."  So I posted on the Facebook wall attempting to engage in real debate and said that corporations have been making moves towards corporate personhood for decades and they want the rights and benefits of a citizen for corporations but they don't want to share the tax burden.  They can't have it both ways.  Again, no fucking response. 

Gahhhhhhh.  Fucking trainwreck of a show that could actually be a decent way to engage people in news but it's wasted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]8EL5Atp_vF0[/youtube]
 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 21, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Oh Mitt Romney

"I was in Iowa the other day, and people suggested that we just raise taxes on corporations. I told them, corporations are people... Raising taxes on corporations is raising taxes on people."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2011, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on September 21, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Oh Mitt Romney

"I was in Iowa the other day, and people suggested that we just raise taxes on corporations. I told them, corporations are people... Raising taxes on corporations is raising taxes on people."

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2011, 07:03:44 PM
well troy davis is dead.  fuck the u.s. legal system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 07:09:38 PM
Some people on twitter are saying he hasn't been executed, rumors about a stay of execution being granted. Hope it's true

edit: no stay, but it is being temporarily delayed. SC looking into matter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
not that i've seen. everything still says 7pm est
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 07:27:50 PM
SC has delayed it until 8pm, giving them more time to deliberate. You think if you couldn't decide whether to execute someone or not until the very last fucking minute...maybe they shouldn't be executed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2011, 07:31:23 PM
i c now.  looks like he's got seven days maybe?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 08:21:32 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31170564&postcount=361

this guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 21, 2011, 11:06:21 PM
ok NOW he's being killed.  fuck this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 22, 2011, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2011, 02:02:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]8EL5Atp_vF0[/youtube]
 :american

Is that the A from the Atheist logo?

Oh man, Rick Perry is a secret satanist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2011, 08:12:15 AM
Quote from: Wrath2X on September 21, 2011, 11:16:21 PM
I came in here to say that americans are still being stupid if they think they can resolve the Palestine/Israel issue, that is all.

Until then, we will just continue to give them $1M a week and keep their weapons up to date. THe US is nice like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2011, 11:22:21 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 22, 2011, 10:32:39 AM
$1 million a week?  Geez, that'd be the day.

anti-semite :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 22, 2011, 08:10:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-romney-leads-hampshire-huntsman-third-perry-fourth-150212964.html

so who's in second place? they must be unelectable :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/09/21/us/politics/fivethirtyeight-0921-perrynegative1/fivethirtyeight-0921-perrynegative1-blog480.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2011, 09:22:24 PM
oh man Hermain Cain's 999 tax plan :bow

[youtube=560,345]qqvASawpkEg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2011, 11:58:56 PM
First they cheered execution statistics. Then they cheered letting uninsured people die. Now

[youtube=560,345]RuqFkbLkST4[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2011, 12:17:12 AM
Stay classy, Republican voters.  Stay classy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2011, 03:19:15 AM
I'm gonna make a bingo chart or roulette wheel that has a list of possible other immensely offensive things that the Republican/TP audience will do in the coming debates.

We can have a betting pool!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2011, 05:01:17 AM
First debate I've watched anything other than clips of, unless you're going to count that first thing back in May where they only had like five people. Random musings:

Who gives a shit about word clouds? Or "real time polls"?

Wow, is Rick Perry terrible.

"Governor Perry, what would you do about jobs?"
"I'll tell you what I wouldn't do, be Mitt Romney."
"Governor Perry the budget deficit is huge, how would you shrink it?"
"You know, I was reading Governor Romney's book and man, does he suck! He even changed things between the hardcover and paperback! What a dick!"
"Governor Perry, any education plans?"
"These ideas we just heard like uh, a department of Education and ideas are good. But you know what's not good? Governor Romney."

He sometimes sounds like Al Gore to me if you're just listening, it's usually when he's trying to figure out what he intends to say and doesn't have a prepared answer. His best line was repeating "you put the boots and aviation assets on the ground" against Santorum's whining then staring into the camera forcefully as if it had made sense and literally vaporized Santorum off the stage.

Put some of my ramblings about Romney and Cain behind spoilers so nobody has to see it:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I like Romney's whole "say tons of random things that sound related and get applause but don't make any sense or respond" strategy:
Quote
Do you, Governor Romney, believe that President Obama is a socialist?

ROMNEY: Let me tell you the title that I want to hear said about President Obama, and that is: former President Barack Obama. That's the title I want to hear.

Let me tell you this. What President -- what President Obama is, is a big-spending liberal. And he takes his political inspiration from Europe and from the socialist democrats in Europe. Guess what? Europe isn't working in Europe. It's not going to work here.

I believe in America. I believe in the opportunity and in the freedom that is American opportunity and freedom. I believe in free enterprise and capitalism. I believe government is too big. It's gone from 27 percent of our economy in the years of JFK to 37 percent of our economy. We have to rein in the scale of government or we're not going to be -- continue to be a free economy.

I love this country. I spent my life in the private sector, not in government. I only spent four years as a governor. I didn't inhale.

I'm a business guy. I'm going to get America working again, because I believe in the principles that make America the hope of the Earth.
Didn't inhale! Like Clinton! Remember that guy! Cigars! Did you see this stain?

What's with the kitchen table fetish that politicians always have:
Quote
ROMNEY: All across America, you've got families sitting across from their -- sitting in their living rooms and their kitchens, sitting at that kitchen table, with a calculator and a checkbook, seeing if they have enough money to make ends meet for the month or the week.
You've got people who are sitting at that same table filling out job application forms, knowing that there are hundreds of other people that are doing the same thing for the same job.

These are tough times for a lot of people in this country, but we are a patriotic people. We place our hand over our heart during the playing of the national anthem. No other people on Earth do that. And if we're led by a leader who draws on that patriotism, who tells the truth, who lives with integrity, and who knows how to lead, America will remain the hope of the Earth and the strongest nation in the world.
I'll do it.
:usacry

I'm not sure if it's better than Herman Cain's general strategy of "I'll ask the experts" or "let me explain by restating the question":
Quote
WALLACE: Mr. Cain, I want to follow up on your 999 plan for economic growth. That's a 9 percent...
(APPLAUSE)
Well, they seem to already know what it is. But for the few who don't, it's a 9 percent flat corporate tax, a 9 percent flat income tax, and a new 9 percent national sales tax.

Now, conservatives usually say repeal the income tax before you impose a new tax. Isn't there a danger with your 999 plan, with these three taxes, that some government down the road after President Cain is going to increase three forms of taxation on Americans?

HERMAN CAIN, FORMER CEO OF GODFATHER'S PIZZA: No, there's no danger in that. And first, let me answer Dave's question with the 9, 9, 9 plan. Unfortunately, nobody up here answered his question. He wanted to know as a small businessman what are we going to do to help him as a small business person? I have walked in Dave's shoes.

This economy is on life support, that's why my 9, 9, 9 plan is a bold solution. It starts with throw out the current tax code and pass 9 percent business flat tax, 9 percent personal income tax, and the 9% national sales tax. This is the most important part, it eliminates, or replaces corporate income tax, personal income tax, capital gains tax as well as the estate tax.

Then it treats all businesses the same. And the people who are paying only payroll tax, 15.3, that 15.4 they don't have to pay, now they only have to pay that 9 percent.
Of course there's no chance! Have you heard about it though? It's a 999 plan! 9%! NINE! NINE! NEIN! NINE!

He should stick to that though because when he tries to really answer it doesn't work so well:
Quote
CAIN: The reason I said that I would be dead under Obamacare is because my cancer was detected in March of 2006. From March 2006 all the way to the end of 2006, for that number of months, I was able to get the necessary CAT scan tests, go to the necessary doctors, get a second opinion, get chemotherapy, go -- get surgery, recuperate from surgery, get more chemotherapy in a span of nine months. If we had been under Obamacare and a bureaucrat was trying to tell me when I could get that CAT scan that would have delayed by treatment.

My surgeons and doctors have told me that because I was able get the treatment as fast as I could, based upon my timetable and not the government's timetable that's what saved my life, because I only had a 30 percent chance of survival. And now I'm here five years cancer free, because I could do it on my timetable and not a bureaucrat's timetable.
Dude, you were a millionaire CEO under 65, I'm pretty sure your insurance plan wasn't Medicare or Medicaid and you would have it even if ObamaCare was establishing the NHS.
[close]

The biggest dick is still Rick Santorum, I love how visibly angry he gets when someone argues with him. He must really hate his daughter. Amusing when he said he doesn't believe in things dictated from on high while pointing upwards.

I think Gary Johnson actually got more questions than Bachmann or Ron Paul. I forgot she was even there for like a half hour until she butted in randomly about Cuba since she wasn't even in any of the side shots of others like Paul was. Hoards of people were trying to get her autograph afterwards before FOX kicked her off the stage.

The best part was the Vice President question, Jon Huntsman tried to pick Chris Wallace then started rambling about how he and Herman Cain had the same color ties before going for an awkward planned hand shake. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 11:36:11 AM
Voters are morons and will vote for Perry. Booing at service men- wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
Perry is getting crucified by the conservative blogs and "elites." President Romney here we come

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2011, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 12:09:13 PM
President Romney here we come
(http://i.imgur.com/bpgfN.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 02:26:28 PM
Here comes 4 years of being completely confused as to wtf the president is thinking or doing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44634263/ns/politics/

Quote
But Lugar’s judicial votes are hardly the only cause for complaint. Among other things, the conservative Indiana activists are angry that he:

• Voted for Obama’s controversial Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, which pumped billions of dollars into ailing banks and financial institutions during the 2008 financial crisis.

• Supported Obama’s renewal of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, with Russia. The original START was an agreement between the former USSR and the United States during the presidency of Ronald Reagan.

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 02:52:17 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 02:26:28 PM
Here comes 4 years of being completely confused as to wtf the president is thinking or doing

dunno, that describes Obama's 4 years as well
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
I like how TARP is somehow magically Obama's, even though it was passed in 2008 before he was elected, much less sworn in.  Pretty soon 9/11 will be his fault somehow too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 23, 2011, 03:27:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 02:52:17 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 02:26:28 PM
Here comes 4 years of being completely confused as to wtf the president is thinking or doing

dunno, that describes Obama's 4 years as well
Obama at least seems to have some core beliefs and political ideals even if he is too chickenshit to govern by them. Romney seems to literally have no political views other than "lolz I like big business" and just goes with whatever polls over well that day for whatever audience he is talking to. Ted Kennedy's nickname for him sums him up perfectly "Multiple-choice Mitt".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2011, 03:27:40 PM
The problem is that the Republicans can just go on tv and flat out lie and the media are too lazy and disinterested to call them on it.  If I had been told continually that Obama was a socialist, that the stimulus hadn't created one job, that businesses were choking under a new wave of regulations and not able to hire anyone, I'd probably think he sucked too. 

Then again, I think he sucks because he's a prevaricator and wuss, but whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
id be cool with the idea of a DECENT GOP candidate being president, but theyre ALL fucking insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 23, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
The Obama that Republicans describe would be a awesome president. Too bad he isn't that guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
It'll honestly be a different climate once theyre out of primaries anyway- Obama's biggest problem aside from the economy will probably be  SOLYNDRA-GATE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 03:51:40 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 03:29:45 PM
id be cool with the idea of a DECENT GOP candidate being president, but theyre ALL fucking insane.

I'd be semi-fine with Romney. He's better than the current alternatives in the GOP, isn't totally crazy, and has a history of governing moderately with divided government. I'd rather have Obama in office, but we're going to be getting center-right policy whether it's him or Romney.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 23, 2011, 03:59:19 PM
Except Romney has no backbone at all. He makes the wishy-washy Obama look tough by comparison.

Romney will crack to the TeaParty crackpots in Congress at every single opportunity.

You won't be "eh Romney won't be so bad" when he signs every insane whim of the GOP in Congress into law because he no viewpoints of his own. Can you really see him standing up to them? They will walk all over him.

Romeny would be tolerable with a Dem controlled congress like when he was governer of MA but he'll have a GOP house and senate if he wins, ones ruled by the Tea Party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 23, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Some asshole last night tried to argue with me that the health care bill in 2009 or 10 was never actually presented to congress.

I...what.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 23, 2011, 04:31:38 PM
they should be worried about the war we're in that never got congressional approval
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 23, 2011, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 23, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
I like how TARP is somehow magically Obama's, even though it was passed in 2008 before he was elected, much less sworn in.  Pretty soon 9/11 will be his fault somehow too.

Well someone is to blame ??? (http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ASUT_en-GB___CA436&q=no+terrorist+attacks+under+bush)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 23, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
Quote from: drew on September 23, 2011, 04:31:38 PM
they should be worried about the war we're in that never got congressional approval

dur hur drew coming in the thread spouting the same moronic shit again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2011, 05:34:43 PM
LIBYA = VIETNAM DON'T YOU GUYS SEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 05:38:35 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149666/Majority-Sees-Obama-Performing-Worse-Bush.aspx
herp a derpp

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149612/Voters-Considering-Romney-Obama-Perry.aspx

Chelsea Clinton 2016 :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 23, 2011, 06:14:26 PM
Quote from: drew on September 23, 2011, 04:31:38 PM
they should be worried about the war we're in that never got congressional approval

The war that the US has had almost no hand in after the first couple weeks?

That war?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 23, 2011, 06:23:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 23, 2011, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 23, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
I like how TARP is somehow magically Obama's, even though it was passed in 2008 before he was elected, much less sworn in.  Pretty soon 9/11 will be his fault somehow too.
They've already changed the article :lol

I talked to someone the other day who assured me that the bailout and the stimulus were voted for at the same time.

The fact that they know TARP and the stimulus are two different things probably puts them above the 50th percentile in terms of political awareness.  Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/a-look-at-politifact-grades-of-candidates/

Bachmann :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 10:56:34 PM
oh shit

Quote
Walker Spokesman Given Immunity In Investigation -- Has No Comment

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's (R) spokesman, plus two supporters, have now been granted immunity in the ongoing campaign finance investigation of former aides to Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), from Walker's time as Milwaukee County Executive.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/walker_spokesman_given_immunity_in_investigation_-.php?ref=fpblg
details at the link

hmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 23, 2011, 11:37:37 PM
http://gwynnedyer.com/2011/libya-is-force-an-instrument-of-love/

Quote
It was the decision by France and Britain to commit their air forces to the defence of the rebels in eastern Libya that saved them from being overrun by Gaddafy’s forces in the early days of the revolt. Other Western countries sent combat aircraft to join them (although the United States drew back after the first few days), and Gaddafy’s army was stopped just short of Benghazi.

lol, drew
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 24, 2011, 12:12:58 AM
ILLEGAL ACT OF WAR

DEPOSE THIS TYRANT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 24, 2011, 12:30:30 AM
Quote from: The Business on September 24, 2011, 12:27:47 AM
Wait, what do you think "drew back" means there, Boogie?

USA: Okay, we dropped a bunch of bombs.  'tis all yours now, Europe!  Have fun for the next six months!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 24, 2011, 12:39:28 AM
Quote from: The Business on September 24, 2011, 12:31:43 AM
Well, that's definitely not the case.  Do you need me to post links or do you got this?

Naw, go nuts if I'm wrong.  I admit I've taken it somewhat for granted based on what I had read that Europe took point for the majority of the operation after the first few weeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 24, 2011, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 23, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
dur hur drew coming in the thread spouting the same moronic shit again

believe me it looks the same way from where i'm sitting :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 24, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
Quote from: drew on September 24, 2011, 11:15:12 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 23, 2011, 05:22:12 PM
dur hur drew coming in the thread spouting the same moronic shit again

believe me it looks the same way from where i'm sitting :)

aww, you changed it.

Was the Kosovo air strike campaign in '99 a "war"?

Was lobbing a few cruise missiles at Sudan and Afghanistan following the 98 embassy bombings a "war"?

Was enforcing the No-fly zone over Iraq from 1991 to 2003 a "war"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 24, 2011, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: Spencer on September 24, 2011, 11:02:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/a-look-at-politifact-grades-of-candidates/

Bachmann :rofl

It's pretty fucked up that any of our candidates and/or elected officials blatantly lie. Like, I feel everyone just says "oh well, that's what politicians do." Why is it basically just accepted?

because:

[youtube=560,345]RuqFkbLkST4[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 24, 2011, 11:36:27 AM
and then the little speech that followed was full of logical fallacies

Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 24, 2011, 11:20:52 AM
Drew, believe me when I say this.  No one is going to touch intervention in Libya because it would take one of the most important Supreme Court cases in decades to figure it all out, which might call in question the legality of the war powers act etc.  It's a non-starter.

i know, i know, it's just frustrating because it's so fucked up and nobody seems to care

Quote from: Boogie on September 24, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
aww, you changed it.

 :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 24, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
I think libs are just as frustrated that Cheney is running around...at all- what an asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/herman-cain-wins-shocker-at-presidency-5-straw-poll.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 24, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
That's awesome, because the only person in that field who might really be dumber than Perry and Bachmann is in fact Herman Cain. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2011, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 24, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
That's awesome, because the only person in that field who might really be dumber than Perry and Bachmann is in fact Herman Cain. 

no it's not, because the people dumber than perry/bachmann/cain are THE AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 25, 2011, 01:34:04 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 24, 2011, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 24, 2011, 10:41:09 PM
That's awesome, because the only person in that field who might really be dumber than Perry and Bachmann is in fact Herman Cain. 

no it's not, because the people dumber than perry/bachmann/cain are THE AMERICAN VOTING PUBLIC :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 26, 2011, 08:33:54 AM
It is truly a great point. Native americans have had it so easy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 26, 2011, 11:57:54 AM
i don't see a problem with this ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2011, 12:16:28 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJYgvg7u00c&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2011, 12:42:07 PM
I suppose it would be gauche to point out that the racist Ron Paul newsletters and his supporters' complete lack of concern about them might be just a tiny bit relevant to this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 12:45:25 PM
technically shouldn't the good ole' boy network warrant at least a $1 discount for white males? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2011, 01:14:57 PM
I wonder if the racial ordering on that sign was picked at random, or whether they were trying to get across a particular message.  I guess we'll never know!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2011, 01:15:52 PM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 26, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
of course they'd list white people first since whitey can actually pay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2011, 01:26:31 PM
The best outcome woulda been if a bunch of black students just took the pastries and dared them to enforce property rights without a central authority supported by taxation.  Then the college Republicans would have been left stammering about miniarchism and night watchman functions while their strudels and danishes were redistributed to the swarthy proletariat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 26, 2011, 01:42:26 PM
There is no discount. All pastries are the same price. What the minorities and women don't pay, the government subsidizes. The republicans just do this to cause division while laughing all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2011, 03:51:53 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/26/opinion/frum-broken-government/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2011, 04:30:18 PM
http://www.playspent.org/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
David Frum is like my third or fourth favorite Jew  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2011, 05:18:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
David Frum is like my third or fourth favorite Jew  :-[

Whatever, despite all his "today's gop is intellectually bankrupt" crap he still jerks off to the Bush tax cuts and thinks taxing the job creators more will destroy society or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 26, 2011, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
David Frum is like my third or fourth favorite Jew  :-[

smfh

that dude lives and breathes douche.  yeah he criticizes current repubs, but that's because he wants them to be more like 90's & early 00's repubs :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
and he's quite the hardcore pro-Israel type, but I love me some articulate republicans  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2011, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
and he's quite the hardcore pro-Israel type, but I love me some articulate republicans  :-[

That's like saying Obama speaks well or some shit.  It's pointless and kind of insulting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 26, 2011, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 26, 2011, 08:30:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
and he's quite the hardcore pro-Israel type, but I love me some articulate republicans  :-[

That's like saying Obama speaks well or some shit.  It's pointless and kind of insulting.

NO WAI

triumph just got maur-iced!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2011, 08:34:42 PM
 :lol smh triumph

anyhoo, republicans back down from hostage taking once everyone realizes they have no hostage
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/senate-averts-government-shutdown-threat-funds-fema.php?ref=fpblg

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 27, 2011, 11:39:01 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/herman-cain-wins-shocker-at-presidency-5-straw-poll.php?ref=fpa

"Godfather's Pizza"? LOL, what's next, "Mandingo's Fried Chicken"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 27, 2011, 09:18:24 PM
lulz

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/28/business/health-insurance-costs-rise-sharply-this-year-study-shows.html?_r=1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2011, 09:26:34 PM
Insurance is one of the biggest scams ever perpetrated against the American public.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
Insurance companies are jacking prices before the healthcare bill goes into effect - not surprising. Although obviously some of the raise is due to children being added to their parents insurance; Kaiser just released a study showing it had a 1-2% impact on costs.

Also it looks like the SC will decide on the health care law next year. Should be fun!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 12:33:30 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#44694768

God damnit GOP is fuckin evil
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 12:40:33 AM
ACORN
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 12:52:56 AM
itt obama try's to act black in front of black audience

[youtube=560,345]HeoOg3Fj0G0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:13:06 AM
As a whole the speech was well recieved but he did seem to get off script a little there. I think if anything it made people kind of confused- there is a bit of truth to the idea that democrats can easily be the instruments of their own defeat as they are critical w/consequences, whereas the conservative base will be critical and just make you go away for a while, then you'll come back and write a book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:15:23 AM
What does "act black" mean?

That wasn't even the most fiery part of the speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2011, 01:17:50 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:19:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:15:23 AM
What does "act black" mean?

That wasn't even the most fiery part of the speech.

It's when people do 'that neck thing' ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 01:24:54 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:15:23 AM
What does "act black" mean?

the conscience decision to drop the g's at the end of words
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:25:44 AM
So you mean a Southern drawl, which transcends race. fuckouttahere
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2011, 01:28:24 AM
Quote from: drew on September 28, 2011, 01:24:54 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:15:23 AM
What does "act black" mean?

the conscience decision to drop the g's at the end of words

Wait...that means I act black every day. :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 01:38:07 AM
so you're saying that the president, who did not live in an area of southern dialect in his formative years, speaking to a crowd that lacks any sort of regional binding to it's description or of it's members, spoke in a southern drawl for a bit in a way to connect with the audience.  gee maybe, just maybe there's another group of people apart from southerners who tend to drop their g's (not to mention the waist of their pants!)  a group which is far more likely given the situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:54:09 AM
Quote from: drew on September 28, 2011, 01:38:07 AM
so you're saying that the president, who did not live in an area of southern dialect in his formative years, speaking to a crowd that lacks any sort of regional binding to it's description or of it's members, spoke in a southern drawl for a bit in a way to connect with the audience.  gee maybe, just maybe there's another group of people apart from southerners who tend to drop their g's (not to mention the waist of their pants!)  a group which is far more likely given the situation.

A large portion of the CBC are from southern states. Furthermore the southern drawl within the black community is not restricted by region since many black people have roots/family in the south regardless of where they live - go to any black church and you'll hear it. Not surprisingly, when Obama speaks to largely black audiences he utilizes the speech patterns of a black preacher. As does Bill Clinton and some other democrats who do it effectively.

Guess what, changing tone based on audience isn't a black exclusive thing. Many groups in America speak differently amongst each other.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 01:54:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:54:09 AM
A large portion of the CBC are from southern states. Furthermore the southern drawl within the black community is not restricted by region since many black people have roots/family in the south regardless of where they live - go to any black church and you'll hear it. Not surprisingly, when Obama speaks to largely black audiences he utilizes the speech patterns of a black preacher. As does Bill Clinton and some other democrats who do it effectively.

Guess what, changing tone based on audience isn't a black exclusive thing. Many groups in America speak differently amongst each other.

as it turns out, some lady named Karen Hunter seems to think that there's something inherently racist with the correct transcribing of that speech:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/associated-press-transcription-obama-cbc-speech-racist-173438340.html

inherently racist? well then that must mean that dropped g's are inherently tied to stereotypical black dialect.  if not, then Mrs. Karen Hunter herself must be a racist for suggesting such a thing! below is a sultry photo of the woman in question.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.simonandschuster.com/images/authors/1854156.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 02:02:17 AM
Because only black people drop their g's
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2011, 02:03:21 AM
DROPPED-G GATE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 02:06:22 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 02:02:17 AM
Because only black people drop their g's

no, only black president's drop their g's whilst pandering to their black base
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 02:09:18 AM
[youtube=560,345]XNc9IuK0hNc[/youtube]
:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 02:25:07 AM
One of the people on Ace of Cakes dropped her Gs all the time, while she looked asian she must have been pandering to Ace of Cakes black viewers ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 02:25:17 AM
i'm sorry but i can't pay attention to what he is saying because i'm too busy counting how many times hillary nods her head in agreement, and my arm is getting tired from doing that so either find a new example or concede defeat

spoiler (click to show/hide)
real answer? of course other presidents and people have done the same fake ass bullshittery, the proof is marked in the annals of time as you have just shown.  how one example somehow justifies another makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 02:29:19 AM
Hey Drew, why dont you quit bitchin and take those slippers off
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 02:50:43 AM
bitching? i was merely pointing out pd's lack of understanding in the concepts of correlation and relevance.  and i just did, what are you posting from inside my house or something? :o
Title: drew got his degree in linguistics the same place he got his one in epidemiology
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2011, 03:02:24 AM
ITT we discuss departures from Standard English with someone who spells "tries" as "try's".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2011, 04:01:51 AM
Jesus Christ, will you hurry up and fucking die Drew?  You're about as useless as tits on a log.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2011, 04:23:02 AM
Look at this shitheel Stephen Moore try and defend businesses rejecting people for being unemployed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#44692631
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 28, 2011, 05:48:02 AM
Uh...this isn't Obama trying consciously act more black to appeal to the black vote. Obama talks about it in his book long before he even ran for President about his white and black roots and how he talks differently without even noticing it when he is around black people vs white people. He talked about it how he did it in HIGH SCHOOL when he started making black friends when he played basketball.

There is plenty to be critical about Obama on but this is Fox News "HE USES TELEPROMPTERS OH MY GOD" sort of nonsense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 28, 2011, 08:09:57 AM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 02:29:19 AM
Hey Drew, why dont you quit bitchin and take those slippers off

drew wears scuba fins on his flipper feet, not slippers you silly man
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 28, 2011, 08:18:23 AM
I kind of regret I said because drew probably does think its offensive and an impeachable crime that Obama uses a teleprompter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 28, 2011, 08:48:32 AM
Quote from: drew on September 28, 2011, 12:52:56 AM
itt obama try's to act black in front of black audience

[youtube=560,345]HeoOg3Fj0G0[/youtube]

This is Obama losing his cool?  :lol

 Goddamn breitbart is a fucking tard. Reach much?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 09:37:59 AM
Pretty sure they'll find anyway to make him look bad, even if it doesnt make sense.

HE IS RAISING HIS VOICE AT THE CBC HE MUST HATE THE JEWS - Breitbart DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2011, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 02:09:18 AM
[youtube=560,345]XNc9IuK0hNc[/youtube]
:drudge

Our greatest black president. :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 10:55:46 AM
i was just pointing out something odd and then pd had to go all stupid innocent to defend his dear leader so i ran with it, this is a non issue, you idiots, it was a fake argument
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 11:23:49 AM
slippers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 28, 2011, 11:42:16 AM
Quote from: drew on September 28, 2011, 10:55:46 AM
i was just pointing out something odd and then pd had to go all stupid innocent to defend his dear leader so i ran with it, this is a non issue, you idiots, it was a fake argument
How is it odd? Everyone acts differently if they are around different groups of people. Do you act exactly the same around your parents as you do around your friends? It's all the same thing.

You were "pointing out something odd" that is apparent in basically every single human being out there.

Obama acts different around black people than he does around old rich white politicans. Alert. the. press.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
My dad talks differently with his childhood friends from Detroit than he does with his college buddies from the University of Michigan

:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2011, 12:42:35 PM
A public speaker is tailoring his tone, cadence, and sometimes even minor parts of his pronunciation towards his audience!  SHOKKU

Seriously, though.  As long as nobody says "supposably," I'm down with the colloquial.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 12:58:31 PM
Or axe u dis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:21:29 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-europe-could-decide-the-2012-election/2011/09/28/gIQAZ3O93K_blog.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
That or rigged elections amirite lol democracy killed by GOP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 28, 2011, 01:34:09 PM
Whatever happpened to the "OMG DIEBOLD" people? I haven't heard that conspiracy theory in years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:39:06 PM
They're still around talking about how Bush stole Ohio in 2004.

The GOP has always suppressed votes. I just hope the Obama campaign keeps an eye on the shenanigans, as they did in 08. I have a feeling it's going to be a close election, electoral vote wise. And oh man, if republicans lose a close election they're gonna go even more crazy

can't wait for "2012 didn't prove anything, the last true election was in 2010"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:40:11 PM
Yes but this year is kinda different in terms of how much freedom they've had to supress votes, its kinda crazy if you look at what all the state govts are doing and all of the anti union bullshit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:42:21 PM
Do you guys think voting should require some form of ID?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 01:50:40 PM
No.  I DON'T NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING TO ANYONE AND I'LL BITE YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF IF YOU DOUBT ME!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on September 28, 2011, 11:42:16 AM
How is it odd? Everyone acts differently if they are around different groups of people. Do you act exactly the same around your parents as you do around your friends? It's all the same thing.

You were "pointing out something odd" that is apparent in basically every single human being out there.

Obama acts different around black people than he does around old rich white politicans. Alert. the. press.

it's odd because it's a fake ass thing to do, i don't talk differently in front of black people and the only thing i drop around my parents is cursing.  the real issue with the end of his speech is that he basically told them to shut up and go along with whatever he has planned.  he certainly didn't tell banks/corporations and gay and lesbians to stop complaining did he, he bailed them out with money and repealed laws for them, respectively.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 28, 2011, 02:52:28 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 28, 2011, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:42:21 PM
Do you guys think voting should require some form of ID?

Double edged sword. But here in Oregon you vote by mail anyway.

Washington is like 95% vote by mail. There are a few places that have voting booths, but they're limited.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 02:56:55 PM
haha drew thinks the bailout was enacted by Obama

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2011, 03:46:03 PM
http://www.salon.com/news/2012_elections/index.html?story=/politics/elections/2011/09/27/votinghack

There, that should make everyone feel better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 06:03:30 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on September 28, 2011, 05:32:36 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 28, 2011, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 01:42:21 PM
Do you guys think voting should require some form of ID?
No. 

No form of ID whatsoever? How hard is it to get a state-issued ID card? A driver's license should be sufficient, and most everybody of voting age already has one of those, right?
When I registered to vote I satisfied the requirements to vote already so let me vote.

Make it a legal requirement to obtain an ID or driver's license and then we can discuss making it mandatory to vote.  But requiring something that is not actually a requirement to exercise my right is stupid and is just extra hoops to dampen voters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
Cheebs, explain

Mitt Romney - 23% (+1)
Rick Perry - 19% (-10)
Herman Cain - 17% (+11)
Newt Gingrich - 11% (+8)
Ron Paul - 6% (-2)
Jon Huntsman - 4% (+3)
Michele Bachmann - 3% (-5)
Rick Santorum - 3% (-1)
Gary Johnson - N/A
Buddy Roemer - N/A
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...after_all.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2011, 08:53:05 PM
The biggest wtf from that poll is Gingrich in double digits.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 28, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
So that Elizabeth Warren picture is going around now, and holy FUCK does she look like my ex girlfriend (in 20 years)  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 28, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
Just imagine a debate between Cain and Obama.

Obama - "Change!  Yes we still can!  Change!"

Cain - "9-9-9 This economy is on life support.  9-9-9"

I love how Cain does well in one poll and Fox News proclaims him a new top tier candidate while Ron Paul has placed in the top two in numerous polls and is ignored or given seven minutes of talking time in a two hour debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 28, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
Just imagine a debate between Cain and Obama.

Obama - "Change!  Yes we still can!  Change!"

Cain - "9-9-9 This economy is on life support.  9-9-9"

I love how Cain does well in one poll and Fox News proclaims him a new top tier candidate while Ron Paul has placed in the top two in numerous polls and is ignored or given seven minutes of talking time in a two hour debate.

Maybe Ron Paul could be a top tier candidate if he was black
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on September 28, 2011, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Maybe Ron Paul could be a top tier candidate if he was black

Now that alone wouldn't do it, he'd need to have a teleprompter.  And suggest we bomb another country.  He might even win a Nobel peace prize then.   :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 28, 2011, 09:56:27 PM
okay, i actually chuckled at a shogunoffear post
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 28, 2011, 11:16:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 28, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
That the republicans would faster elect Cain than Paul should tell you something.

that they're a bunch of morons? got it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2011, 11:49:44 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on September 28, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
Ron Paul has placed in the top two in numerous polls

If he's been top 2 in any national poll, it's news to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 29, 2011, 01:16:51 AM
he never said anything about them being national...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 29, 2011, 01:43:37 AM
more discussion, less slippers folks *that neck thing*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2011, 01:59:30 AM
Newsflash peoples- straw polls aren't polls.  They're elections where you pay to vote.  And by you I mean party activists that care enough to show up and then actually pay the money to vote.  It was like $150+ in Florida if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2011, 02:24:47 AM
I actually typed something obnoxious anticipating state/straw polls being cited, but then I deleted it cause it was a bit of a straw man at that point.  Oh well!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2011, 02:30:28 AM
So since Ron Paul's campaign is DOA, will he decide to run as a third party? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on September 29, 2011, 05:39:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2011, 07:25:36 PM
Cheebs, explain

Mitt Romney - 23% (+1)
Rick Perry - 19% (-10)
Herman Cain - 17% (+11)
Newt Gingrich - 11% (+8)
Ron Paul - 6% (-2)
Jon Huntsman - 4% (+3)
Michele Bachmann - 3% (-5)
Rick Santorum - 3% (-1)
Gary Johnson - N/A
Buddy Roemer - N/A
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...after_all.html
Hello President Cain?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2011, 07:41:14 AM
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/chris-christie-presidential-bid-6498142?click=pp

Quote
Chris Christie has it in him to be the newest new Nixon, albeit without the personal demons who spent most of their time playing darts in the old Nixon's head. When the old Nixon was plotting his political comeback in the mid-1960's, he did so from the same political-legal-financial nexus in New York and New Jersey that now seems to be the source of the current Christie boomlet, while stoking the anger of just enough of the Goldwater crowd to keep them in the tent. And Christie is adept at the kind of projection that camouflages obvious bullying as legitimate self-defense. Among other things, this technique enables Christie to exercise his natural talent of being a colossal asshole to the mere mortals who challenge him, while allowing him to present himself as a unifying presence to those people in the political sphere who really count. (Damn, Brooks just fainted.) The fact that this makes the latter group a collection of pathetically easy marks is probably beside the point. Thus, can the Fox News website rejoice in Christie's having delivered a "monumental takedown of President Obama," while the Wall Street Journal's site has Christie "calling for unity." It's a neat trick, and Richard Nixon was its past master.

Nixon was the acknowledged maestro of the creative use of various resentments, his own and everyone else's. It's his most lasting gift to American politics. Christie was nasty enough last night, with his paranoid fantasies of Barack Obama's intention to "divide the nation" in order to win an election. (And President Nixon never said that Senator McGovern would weaken the nation, only that his policies would.) But the real deal is in those YouTube clips of which he and his staff are so proud. Richard Nixon fought like a Gaboon viper to keep the world from hearing the angry invective and punk-ass nastiness with which he referred to much of the rest of the political world. Chris Christie's people put it right out there, as though it's a photo-op with him and the family dog. Whether you think one approach is preferable to the other is probably the best measure of the depths to which this nation's political culture has sunk. For those of us who remember how it once worked, Chris Christie is the newest New Nixon, and all of them turn one day into the old one, as sure as god made schoolteachers to be kicked around.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 29, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
I think what it comes down to is that this far out polls are fucking useless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2011, 06:02:05 PM
I'm pretty sure of 2 things: Mitt Romney will win the NH Primary, and whoever is the most popular and crazy candidate at the time will win the Iowa caucus.  After that all bets are off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 29, 2011, 06:05:06 PM
thunderdome is the only answer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2011, 06:07:23 PM
If they go Thunderdome to decide it my money is on Bachmann.  Bitch be crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 29, 2011, 06:14:56 PM
oh totally
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2011, 07:17:28 PM
Thunderdome should be the standard for electing politicians, I think.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on September 29, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
i think the three ring circus they have in place now is a much better venue
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2011, 08:41:22 PM
Quote from: drew on September 29, 2011, 08:40:10 PM
i think the three ring circus they have in place now is a much better venue

Unfortunately, it lacks many of the benefits of the Thunderdome, such as that many of the politicians will be violently killed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2011, 12:31:57 PM
Looks like the end of the road for No Child Left Behind:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44693695/ns/today-education_nation/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Thank God
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2011, 01:36:20 PM
Obama kills his first American citizen :smug
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2011/09/american_born_al_qaeda_cleric_killed_in_yemen.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 30, 2011, 02:33:18 PM
get back to me when they start shooting people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 30, 2011, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Thank God
My wife is a teacher and says NCLB was awful. But then again it wasn't set up to help kids learn. It was set up to make a lot of people rich. (http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-bush-profiteers-collect-billions-from-no-child-left-behind/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2011, 03:16:56 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 30, 2011, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Thank God
My wife is a teacher and says NCLB was awful. But then again it wasn't set up to help kids learn. It was set up to make a lot of people rich. (http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-bush-profiteers-collect-billions-from-no-child-left-behind/)

My mom has worked in the school system during the decade of NCLB and her opinion of it is equally low.

As for the article...yeah, does the government do ANYTHING these days that isn't directly related to stuffing $100 bills into the pants of people who are already millionaires and billionaires?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 30, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 30, 2011, 03:08:50 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Thank God
My wife is a teacher and says NCLB was awful. But then again it wasn't set up to help kids learn. It was set up to make a lot of people rich. (http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/12-bush-profiteers-collect-billions-from-no-child-left-behind/)

Yep, NCLB is terrible. It meant well but didn't go about things in a realistic fashion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 30, 2011, 03:54:24 PM
Yet you would never hear this be called 'wasteful spending'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2011, 03:57:32 PM
Corporations siphoned away billions of dollars from schools, while providing next to nothing in return, AND school budgets are being slashed year after year. Yet people wonder why are education system isn't working?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 30, 2011, 04:13:59 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on September 28, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
That the republicans would faster elect Cain than Paul should tell you something.

That they're not racist? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 30, 2011, 04:16:41 PM
Quote from: Spencer on September 30, 2011, 04:00:10 PM
The system broken, the schools closed, the prison's open. We ain't got nothing to lose ma'fucker we rollin'

:bow Kanye :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2011, 12:58:57 AM
Quote from: Spencer on September 30, 2011, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler
As for the article...yeah, does the government do ANYTHING these days that isn't directly related to stuffing $100 bills into the pants of people who are already millionaires and billionaires?

More than any political position, this is my biggest problem with our government. For the corporations by the corporations.

Obviously, the solution is to then support the candidate that advocates the fewest possible regulations on said corporations, becasue HEY WEED
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2011, 01:51:44 AM
Elizabeth Warren  :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2011, 02:46:10 AM
[youtube=560,345]V6_r7YAImS0[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2011, 02:56:57 AM
The difference being, kids overseas actually manage to pass tests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2011, 09:37:22 AM
Basically, there's a difference between supporting someone who espouses the absolute worst fiscal policy and someone who is essentially the lesser of the two evils.  It's like if you were asked if you wanted to catch gonorrhea or chlamydia and saying no thanks, I'll take the AIDS because I get these awesome prescription drugs.  What you like about Paul is (or should be, if you're not an idiot) a secondary or tertiary concern in deciding who to vote for.  I can only assume that your support for him is predicated on his stances for non-interventionist foreign policy and dope legalization.  While awesome, those are not the biggest problems facing the country/world today- on those issues Ron Paul supports policies that would turn the world into Lord of the Flies, so anybody with half a brain should probably not seriously be supporting him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 01, 2011, 10:06:57 AM
Wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 01, 2011, 11:01:10 AM
All we need is 9 9 9!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 01, 2011, 11:12:42 AM
Speaking of politics, Subways is offering "8 for 5" on every footlong sub for the month of October, including the steak and cheese sandwich!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 01, 2011, 11:18:28 AM
Wish it was $9
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 01, 2011, 01:18:35 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 01, 2011, 10:49:54 AM
Yes, well truth be told I have no more intention of voting for Paul after watching the debates. I wouldn't say my support for him was based on dope at all though, it was however based on misconception. I got swept up in the hype train that he was going to turn the political world in it's head. And now for some reason any time I weigh in on something all anyone has to say is lol you like Paul.

Now I'm probably just not going to vote. There's no candidate that I believe in, and even if I were to find one perfectly aligned with my hippy ass views, there's no way like that would stand a chance.

That is because there is no reason to seriously debate the qualities of Ron Paul.  The dingleberry hired Klansmen to officially run his campaign.  This guy had racist tracts written on his newsletter.  Most importantly, the Ron Paul vision was already experienced over a century ago and it was fucking painful for all except one or two percent of the population.  In a Ron Lawl world, you'd be too busy working your 10 cent an hour job than toking up.  The man is just not a candidate to be taken seriously and the fact that he barely ekes out a double digit result in any poll or primary that isn't a fanboy ballot stuffing opportunity is a sign that nobody else takes him seriously either.

He's about 130 years too late to the party.

Quote from: Eric P on September 29, 2011, 07:41:14 AM
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/chris-christie-presidential-bid-6498142?click=pp

Thanks for the link.  Good read.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 01, 2011, 01:26:45 PM
the problem with ron paul is that he treats all problems -- social and economic -- as simple, and promises simple solutions couched as dogma. human society and the economic structures that spavine it are anything but. he's a snake oil salesman. anything he croaks from his aged libertarded maw must be factored against that one inescapable truth: NOTHING ABOUT PEOPLE IS SIMPLE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
Awesome-o, fix yer link, dog.

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 01, 2011, 01:26:45 PM
the problem with ron paul is that he treats all problems -- social and economic -- as simple, and promises simple solutions couched as dogma. human society and the economic structures that spavine it are anything but. he's a snake oil salesman. anything he croaks from his aged libertarded maw must be factored against that one inescapable truth: NOTHING ABOUT PEOPLE IS SIMPLE.

When his idiot son was on the Daily Show a little while back, there was a pretty amusing/head banging exchange:

Rand: The EPA is killing every industry in America!
Jon: Don't you agree that we need regulations to stop people from polluting our air and water supply?
Rand: But we don't need to worry about such things. The "scientists" talked about how the ozone hole would be expanding forever, and acid rain would be happening all the time, but it didn't.
Jon: But that's because there was legislation that was enacted in the early 1990s that curbed CFC and sulfur emissions and the like.
Rand: Exactly, and now we don't need them anymore!
Jon: But then those things will start happening again.
Rand: But we've just proven that the government didn't need to get involved at all.
Jon:  ???
Rand: :smug
Jon:  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2011, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 01, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
Rand: The EPA is killing every industry in America!
Jon: Don't you agree that we need regulations to stop people from polluting our air and water supply?
Rand: But we don't need to worry about such things. The "scientists" talked about how the ozone hole would be expanding forever, and acid rain would be happening all the time, but it didn't.
Jon: But that's because there was legislation that was enacted in the early 1990s that curbed CFC and sulfur emissions and the like.
Rand: Exactly, and now we don't need them anymore!
Jon: But then those things will start happening again.
Rand: But we've just proven that the government didn't need to get involved at all.
Jon:  ???
Rand: :smug
Jon:  :'(

:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2011, 10:40:03 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/rick-perry-says-drug-war-may-require-our-military-in-mexico/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2011, 10:45:05 PM
I gotta agree, the current wars are getting a bit stale, need a new one to get things going again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2011, 10:52:37 PM
Plus, we'll get to rename burritos and tacos and shit.  FREEDOM WRAPS FOR ALL!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 01, 2011, 11:16:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2011, 10:40:03 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/rick-perry-says-drug-war-may-require-our-military-in-mexico/

Go big or go home, I say.

But, since Mexico is but a middleman for the hard stuff of coke and South American heroin, y'all should invade Colombia, Peru and Bolivia instead.  Go for the source 'n all. :smug

spoiler (click to show/hide)
but seriously, it hurts the head.  Sovereignty?  What's that?  We're Amurrica.  Our troops go where we want them to go.  And they can solve every problem.  Just look at Afghanistan, err, I mean, Iraq, err, what was I saying?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2011, 12:00:20 AM
Quote from: Boogie on October 01, 2011, 11:16:17 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2011, 10:40:03 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/rick-perry-says-drug-war-may-require-our-military-in-mexico/

Go big or go home, I say.

But, since Mexico is but a middleman for the hard stuff of coke and South American heroin, y'all should invade Colombia, Peru and Bolivia instead.  Go for the source 'n all. :smug

Can't we invade ALL of them?

Pretty pweeeeeeeeeeeeasee?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2011, 06:56:06 AM
Remember when they called Obama naive/dangerous when he said he would unilaterally send a strike team into Pakistan to kill bin laden in that debate with McCain? They said a candidate shouldn't be planning incursions of allies before taking office

Of course, when he did it they said they would have done it anyways lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 02, 2011, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 07:11:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2011, 10:40:03 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/rick-perry-says-drug-war-may-require-our-military-in-mexico/

So much wrong it hurts. Looks like I might have to vote Obama again just to help keep the pubs out

This is the same conclusion I reached.

Edit: Fringe candidate Herman Cain news:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/02/cain-tea-party-movement-pushed-black-candidate-to-top-gop-pack/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h-L2VMxVrU47KDlWeFF0eoVE5HRg?docId=2116cb2b91ab4ee08dd8ecbdcedaf10e

Oh and 700 people were jailed with the Occupy Wall Street protest.  I don't think the protest will actually do anything but whatever:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i_YupXQAzyaIXDv_SWiTtXAXiEXA?docId=CNG.109ada98ca83da06e3e584c9aeb960ba.7e1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 02, 2011, 12:58:43 PM
wow, spencer, really with all this shit? you're really that suggestible to your peers? i honestly thought you were savvier than that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 01:29:15 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
Listen I don't know where everyone got this idea that I was Ron Paul's champion.

Me neither. But if I had to guess, it would be all those posts where you were acting like Ron Paul's champion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
Cain pulling the race card? Sheeeeeit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 02, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
well, anyways, i implore you to reconsider.  i believe that anybody else in this race will just further the country's downward spiral as well as the agenda of the previous president(s).  it's like coke and pepsi, there's a slight difference but really they are the same thing. oh, and i wouldn't mind the option to opt out of social security :P

Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
Hell I actually believe the way our society is set up is holding back the healthy evolution of the human species.

are you talking about the stoned ape theory?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 03:34:21 PM
Don't get so huffy, Spence.  You got caught running towards the wrong basket.  It happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 04:00:31 PM
Basket? Wood has no monetary value. Gold pot, please
Title: Own your shit
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 04:49:19 PM
Oh dear, we've failed to live up to the high bar Spencer set for respectful, informed discourse the last few weeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
come on bro, this is The Bore
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 02, 2011, 06:27:29 PM
cohen, however, has been the only shining beacon in a thread otherwise filled with smug shitcocks. respect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 02, 2011, 06:32:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 01:21:32 PM
If anything I become more and more of a hippy everyday. Hell I actually believe the way our society is set up is holding back the healthy evolution of the human species.

So why are you for Ron Paul then ???  Ron Paul pretty much stands for the exact opposite of both of your sentences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 06:33:18 PM
Yep, AWESEOM-O.  That the carping usually is completely hypocritical given the source doesn't help.

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 01, 2011, 01:26:45 PM
the problem with ron paul is that he treats all problems -- social and economic -- as simple, and promises simple solutions couched as dogma. human society and the economic structures that spavine it are anything but. he's a snake oil salesman. anything he croaks from his aged libertarded maw must be factored against that one inescapable truth: NOTHING ABOUT PEOPLE IS SIMPLE.

This.

It's not just oversimplified policy solutions either.  It's oversimplified political solutions to get to that policy: vote for Ron Paul, an honest man, and he'll fix things!  I've yet to see a Ron Paul supporter grapple with the fact of Paul's own unpopularity or those of his ideas, other than to call it a function of media bias or voter stupidity.  Eventually you have to figure out how to win people over and create a sustained constituency for your political program if you want to ever implement it in real life.  If you're on the political fringe, this should take up about 90% of your time.

Luckily, I get the feeling that a bunch of Paulites are satisfied to just bask in their own special rightness, which is a rather easier pursuit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
The problem is many libertarians aren't interested with bringing people to their side, and instead seem to revel in smugly listing off the various important social programs and government agencies they want to cut. Programs people like, and others rely on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 02, 2011, 06:43:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
The problem is many libertarians aren't interested with bringing people to their side, and instead seem to revel in smugly listing off the various important social programs and government agencies they want to cut. Programs people like, and others rely on

I don't agree with your first point as Ron Lawl fans and Libertarians alike tend to evangelize on the internet.  Hell, recently I even saw three neckbeards out in front of a nearby community college holding up Ron Paul 2012 signs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 06:46:54 PM
The Ron Paul people I run into on campuses are easily the most combative, angry political types I've met. At least the LaRouche people will try to insult you in a passive aggressive, cheerful manner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 02, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
on the OTHER other hand, newly-converted libertardians seem to think that we haven't seen their same facile arguments in countless incarnations since the ARPAnet first let socially disenfranchised and emotionally decrepit beardy virgins spew their reductivist political "philosophies" as 7-bit ANSI streams and that two-plus decades later we should STILL treat their earnest revelations as something new and insightful and worth addressing with more than a eyeroll and a one-liner
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 06:51:02 PM
PD:  To be fair, lots of people across the political spectrum (including liberals, and none so much as the apolitical), spend more time and energy telling everyone else how enlightened they are than they do proselytizing effectively.  It's way more fun.

But liberals/progressives tend towards activism generally.  There's a background of organizing for a ton causes that may or may not involve lobbying the government, but which naturally feeds into building a coalition.  Social conservatives have a similar thing going.  So there's a lot of people out there working explicitly or tangentially to keep growing those movements.  But libertarians?

Even stipulating that they care a lot about things which they think aren't the government's business, and that they could all be generous to a fault, there's no connection.  Volunteering for Habitat for Humanity or a local soup kitchen isn't going to help you network with other libbies or make people more aware of the main concerns of political libertarianism.  By its nature, it's a pretty bloodless movement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 02, 2011, 06:55:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 06:51:02 PM
blah blah blah talkin' what never made a man rich

9 9 9
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
Okay, you made me look that up finally and wtf?

That plan sure looks 1) designed to benefit the rich, 2) dumb, and 3) like it was ripped off a deal from some pizza delivery chain.  Waitaminute...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 02, 2011, 07:06:22 PM
give herman cain this: he knows how to sell middle americans terrible, ruinous shit and make them pay for it -- and love it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2011, 07:14:18 PM
That 9-9-9 thing would have been a better gimmick if this was a few years earlier. His slogan could have been some combination of 999 and 911.


Btw, what the hell is right wing populism?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/opinion/sunday/douthat-missing-the-populist-moment.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/opinion/sunday/douthat-missing-the-populist-moment.html?_r=1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 07:18:06 PM
*Searches for answer that isn't "racist".*

I got nothing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 07:18:36 PM
Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I honestly think this will never stop as long people value money more than their species. Aka forever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stein%27s_Law
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 02, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 07:18:36 PM
Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I honestly think this will never stop as long people value money more than their species. Aka forever.

http://www.cpusa.org/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 02, 2011, 07:33:16 PM
Quote from: drew on October 02, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 02, 2011, 07:18:36 PM
Rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I honestly think this will never stop as long people value money more than their species. Aka forever.

http://www.cpusa.org/

thank america for options!
/me donates
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 07:59:23 PM
drew, the rebel, the iconoclast, the marcher for whom there's a different drum, stooging for rich folks?  Say it ain't so!


Spencer:  There have been periods in many countries where society evened out, money-wise.  This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Compression), for example.  So it's possible to successfully push for equality using the normal political processes of a liberal democracy with a mixed economy, without changing the basic tenets of human nature (which, as Van C said, are complicated).

It helps to not get unrealistic expectations of a utopia, and to avoid freaking out and jumping to the next big hope when that utopia doesn't immediately materialize.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 08:29:49 PM
Nothing's permanent in politics.  Everything is subject to negotiation at a later date.  That's why political activism needs to be constant.

Look, if you find yourself caring about and spending time discussing politics, read up.  Go to A Plain Blog About Politics (http://plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/) and read all the archives, for a start.  Having vague concerns about society is the beginning point for pretty much everyone, but talking about them like they're well-formed ideas will get you made fun of, and we've established that you don't much care for that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2011, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: drew on October 02, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
oh, and i wouldn't mind the option to opt out of social security :P

Of course you wouldn't, you're going to die before you get anything from it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2011, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 02, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
Okay, you made me look that up finally and wtf?

That plan sure looks 1) designed to benefit the rich, 2) dumb, and 3) like it was ripped off a deal from some pizza delivery chain.  Waitaminute...

[youtube=560,345]qqvASawpkEg[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 12:32:16 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/restrictions_could_keep_five_million_traditionally_democratic_voters_from_the_polls_in_2012.php?ref=fpblg

14 months to get people photo IDs. Given how impressive OFA's grass roots efforts are, I think they can combat this effectively
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 03, 2011, 01:24:31 PM
http://www.tnr.com/blog/timothy-noah/95680/gop-harvard-dump-warren - stay classy GOP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2011, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 12:32:16 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/restrictions_could_keep_five_million_traditionally_democratic_voters_from_the_polls_in_2012.php?ref=fpblg

14 months to get people photo IDs. Given how impressive OFA's grass roots efforts are, I think they can combat this effectively

Imagine the hysteria if dems did this shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2011, 02:40:40 PM
WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE DIRTY LIBRUL COMMIES

[youtube=560,345]cgbJ-Fs1ikA[/youtube]

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 03, 2011, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 03, 2011, 01:24:31 PM
http://www.tnr.com/blog/timothy-noah/95680/gop-harvard-dump-warren - stay classy GOP

Bububu academia is artificially inflated with libruls! They're not allowing conservatives their place in that world!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 05:23:06 PM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39241_National_Reviews_Andrew_McCarthy_Falls_for_Bogus_Breitbart_Story
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 06:29:05 PM
He's going to raise close to a billion dollars, not sure that equals "underdog" lol

Looks like Christie will officially announce his plans to enter or not enter on Thursday. So glad that circus is coming to an end
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 03, 2011, 06:46:43 PM
I think the interest in Christie is evidence for continuing sexism in politics.  His main appeal is that he's a fat douchebag, no?  I don't see a woman with that cv getting too far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 03, 2011, 06:53:15 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 03, 2011, 06:46:43 PM
I think the interest in Christie is evidence for continuing sexism in politics.  His main appeal is that he's a fat douchebag, no?  I don't see a woman with that cv getting too far.

I think this disgusting post is a sign of how hard the struggle will be to eliminate cacomorphobia from politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 03, 2011, 06:59:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 06:29:05 PM
He's going to raise close to a billion dollars, not sure that equals "underdog" lol

Looks like Christie will officially announce his plans to enter or not enter on Thursday. So glad that circus is coming to an end

He'll have his two weeks till GOP voters find something they dont like and get tired of him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 07:02:45 PM
I knew Christie was overweight, but I didn't know just how overweight he was until I saw the video of him walking around with Obama surveying the storm damage in NJ. He's like "sit on two toilets and still miss the water" fat.

Get ready for serious concern trolling over his health and who his VP would be
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 03, 2011, 07:04:41 PM
oh em gee @ the latest rick perry controversy

not surprising at all, and i hope it sinks his ass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 07:23:49 PM
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/herman-cain-rick-perry-niggerhead-controversy

I don't want to yell "I told you so" just yet, I'll wait and see how this argument is met at a GOP debate by the crowd. But it sure seems like Cain done stepped out of bounds
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2011, 07:24:16 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 03, 2011, 07:04:41 PM
oh em gee @ the latest rick perry controversy

not surprising at all, and i hope it sinks his ass

What I like was that Herman Cain got asked about it, said it was insensitive to black people, and then Rush etc spent all day BITCHING ABOUT CAIN and now magically Cain doesn't want to talk about it. 

Remember, there's nothing worse about being a Republican than reminding people that yes, the party is in fact racist as fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 07:32:22 PM
(http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel/2011/10/03/03_southerncrosscainperrytweet.o.jpg/a_560x280.jpg)

Apparently Rushbo spent all day slamming Cain over his comments. Should have stayed in his place!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 03, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 03, 2011, 07:24:16 PM

Remember, there's nothing worse about being a Republican than reminding people that yes, the party is in fact racist as fuck.

on the flipside...

http://www.racialicious.com/2011/09/30/with-populists-like-these-salon-swiftboats-melissa-harris-perry (http://www.racialicious.com/2011/09/30/with-populists-like-these-salon-swiftboats-melissa-harris-perry)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2011, 08:17:30 PM
Rick Perry has a hunting lodge named "Niggarhead" (sp) for like 20 years.  Herman Cain remarks that such a name is insensitive to a lot of black people.

The person guilty of racism is obviously Herman Cain here.  Who the fuck takes these fuckers seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 03, 2011, 09:18:29 PM
Why are tea baggers enamored with Chris Christie? Sure, he's an asshole, but his track record is as bad, if not WORSE than Romney, when it comes to living up to conservative principles.

Even Rushbo was smitten with him. Must be a fattie thing.

Also, Melissa Harris Perry is milf-o-licious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 03, 2011, 09:30:04 PM
Christie fans should be referred to as chubby chasers then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2011, 09:35:54 PM
Christie won't run, it's already highly evident.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 03, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
"chris christie plans to waddle for the highest office in the land"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
[youtube=560,345]tmQBJMAZZsY[/youtube]
Very good politician, and an asshole. Not many assholes can get people to laugh at stories relating to cutting other people's benefits
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 04, 2011, 12:33:52 AM
GOP base is made up of people that find that kind of stuff funny until it happens to them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2011, 01:12:20 AM
That's the thing though. Republicans are openly advocating for cutting everyone's benefits. Perhaps they get away with it because while everyone gets hurt, some groups (unions, the poor) get hit a lot harder and faster. I might be wrong and I'm sorta drunk watching SC2 tournaments, gonna have to wait for Mandark to google do some research, but this seems like a newish, broad national strategy that goes well beyond just fucking minorities over with cuts, or fucking unions over, etc. That's not to say republicans had the working man's best interest in mind until 2010. They tried this type of assault in 2005 with SS privatization and got soundly rejected, after misreading the election results as a mandate to do stupid stuff. And once again they've read election results as a mandate/excuse to assault entitlements, but the deficit "crisis" has finally given them the chance they've been dreaming about for ages

it's like "yea I'm getting fucked in the ass, but YOU'RE getting DP'd haha"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2011, 03:53:28 AM
The GOP tried to cut Medicare spending in 1995, which was the crux of the shutdown crisis.  IIRC Reagan made a run at Social Security but had to back off and set up a bipartisan commission to give him cover for a deal that didn't even cut benefits.  Along with SS privatization in 2005 and the Ryan budget, that makes four times that Republicans have overreached on rolling back social programs after a big electoral victory.

So it's not new, and I don't think the odds of a major SS/Medicare rollback have gone up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 04, 2011, 09:13:49 AM
First I'm hearing about this "999" plan from Cain. Does it involve trapping all the lower and middle class in a sinking cruise ship?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 04, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 04, 2011, 03:40:13 AM
Here's a related video:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6SfUM964Jk&feature=related[/youtube]

Yikes.

Basically, he's taking any kind of tax increase completely off the table by equating it to an assault on American Exceptionalism, class warfare, etc. So the deficit means we all have to make sacrifices. We can't raise taxes on the wealthy even a little; we have to keep under-funding our infrastructure, take lower benefits, and just get used to a lower standard of living altogether. Because to do otherwise would make us a weaker nation.

I thought this guy was a moderate.

Hes totally got a couple Kochs up his ass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2011, 03:36:46 PM
Kinda wished he decided to run just so republicans could find out he supports civil unions, believes in global warming, and put a Moslem on the NJ SC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2011, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2011, 03:36:46 PM
Kinda wished he decided to run just so republicans could find out he supports civil unions, believes in global warming, and put a Moslem on the NJ SC.

The first two are easy enough- just flip flop.  Last one is kinda troublesome.

Moot point now anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 05, 2011, 01:05:18 AM
Honestly? I think Anonymous will deal some damage, but I would not be surprised if there were some serious-as-shit repercussions that come from it, retaliatory acts against Anonymous members who turn out not to be as anonymous as they thought.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 05, 2011, 01:09:40 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44780673#44780673 -- Fuuuu SCotUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 05, 2011, 01:48:43 AM
tl;dw

sum it up plz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2011, 10:39:29 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 05, 2011, 01:48:43 AM
tl;dw

sum it up plz

Karl Rove is going to spend $100 trillion to trick people into voting against Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 05, 2011, 05:57:03 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/buddy-roemer-occupy-wall-street_n_996963.html

As far as candidates go, Buddy seems like cool people. Wish he got more face time but he's being honest with donations so thats why he'll never have a chance. God bless America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 05, 2011, 06:25:20 PM
http://marklevinshow.com/Article.asp?id=2303165&spid=32364

 :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2011, 06:27:51 PM
Not really surprising. I mean, when was the last time Sarah Palin was relevant to national politics? Oh wait...NEVER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2011, 06:38:31 PM
Duh. She literally can't afford to run for president lolol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 05, 2011, 10:13:35 PM
She should do the cover of sports illustrated swimsuit edition
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
lol @ Palin's big media day being completely drowned by the Steve Jobs news
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2011, 12:05:13 AM
http://chicagoist.com/2011/10/05/board_of_trade_has_a_message_for_oc.php

Needs more blood flowing in the streets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2011, 12:21:47 AM
People laughed when I said we needed to kill some of them as an example back in 2008.  Who be laughin now, bro?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:47:53 AM
yea I wish they passed the stimulus then jumped right into a fight with Wall Street, regardless of whether it succeeded or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 01:27:34 AM
Quote from: Wikipedia: French Revolution
Louis XVI ascended to the throne amidst a financial crisis; the state was nearing bankruptcy and outlays outpaced income. This was because of France’s financial obligations stemming from involvement in the Seven Years War and its participation in the American Revolutionary War. In May 1776, finance minister Turgot was dismissed, after he failed to enact reforms. The next year, Jacques Necker, a foreigner, was appointed Comptroller-General of Finance. He could not be made an official minister because he was a Protestant.

Necker realized that the country's extremely regressive tax system subjected the lower classes to a heavy burden, while numerous exemptions existed for the nobility and clergy. He argued that the country could not be taxed higher; that tax exemptions for the nobility and clergy must be reduced; and proposed that borrowing more money would solve the country's fiscal shortages. Necker published a report to support this claim that underestimated the deficit by roughly 36 million livres, and proposed restricting the power of the parlements.

This was not received well by the King's ministers and Necker, hoping to bolster his position, argued to be made a minister. The King refused, Necker was fired, and Charles Alexandre de Calonne was appointed to the Comptrollership. Calonne initially spent liberally, but he quickly realized the critical financial situation and proposed a new tax code.

The proposal included a consistent land tax, which would include taxation of the nobility and clergy. Faced with opposition from the parlements, Calonne organised the summoning of the Assembly of Notables. But the Assembly failed to endorse Calonne's proposals and instead weakened his position through its criticism. In response, the King announced the calling of the Estates-General for May 1789, the first time the body had been summoned since 1614. This was a signal that the Bourbon monarchy was in a weakened state and subject to the demands of its people.

We must be getting pretty close to public executions of the wealthy, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2011, 06:17:27 AM
There needed to be harsh, draconian financial industry legislation in early 2009, back when there was generous public support to do so (and the thing that Barack Obama owed his presidency to)

Instead, people put their trust in Larry Summers and Tim Geithner.

...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 06, 2011, 09:29:20 AM
if obama really wanted to prevent the loss of jobs he would have cured pancreatic cancer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 06, 2011, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2011, 10:24:39 PM
lol @ Palin's big media day being completely drowned by the Steve Jobs news

it literally dropped an hour after her announcement :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 10:11:43 AM
Bah, fuck it.  I'll be going to Occupy Houston this weekend.  They're camped outside the JP Morgan Chase building in downtown Houston.  I'll have to put gas in with Chase card to get there :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 06, 2011, 11:11:48 AM
Obama's running a great press conference right now. Why didn't he use this language for the last 2 years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 11:14:44 AM
Im occupying my apartment this weekend- tired of the lack of jobs in the bedroom :*( where are the "jobs"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 11:27:51 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 06, 2011, 11:11:48 AM
Obama's running a great press conference right now. Why didn't he use this language for the last 2 years

I think what irritates me is that the GOP can do such obvious things to not get anything done, and no one is in their face about that. They just nod while the GOP feeds em shit at press conferences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 11:29:42 AM
fast n furious? wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
Haha, Bank of America just announced their explanation for the $5 fee they added for debit cards: "Fuck you, we want more money." This is the kind of honesty we need more from our banks! The Scrooge McDuck vault where they swim around in TARP money is starting to get a little low; cutting 30,000 jobs is a good start, but it's gonna take more than that.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/05/news/economy/bank_of_america_moynihan/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:16:42 PM
Pretty sure all four big banks will end up doing this. They used to use this fee to rip off small business, now that they cant its time to rip off consumers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 12:17:27 PM
Glad I don't bank at one of the big banks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:20:02 PM
Yeah switching to a credit union was one of the smarters things I eventually did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
I'm either switching to a credit union or a decent bank. There's a TCF right across the street from me, I'll do some research
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
I'm either switching to a credit union or a decent bank. There's a TCF right across the street from me, I'll do some research

It was easy to switch banks, the hard part was getting off my ass and doing it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
Not surprising to see costs passed onto the consumer.  Not at all.


:bow Capitalism :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
Not surprising to see costs passed onto the consumer.  Not at all.


:bow Capitalism :bow2

Want to sarcastically bow?  Bow to market interference.  When government tacks onto the costs of doing business, things get more expensive.  Every time.

Interference is the only reason why this might not actually happen. Why would I want to bow to taking away hard-earned profits from job creators? I wouldn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:42:28 PM
Yes because big business has proven in the past that they will act fairly in an environment devoid of regulation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
I'm either switching to a credit union or a decent bank. There's a TCF right across the street from me, I'll do some research

It was easy to switch banks, the hard part was getting off my ass and doing it.

Yea, that's gonna be my problem. I'll have to withdraw all my money right? Why can't I just call BoA and tell them to put my money in another bank  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:42:28 PM
Yes because big business has proven in the past that they will act fairly in an environment devoid of regulation

Now why would you say that, MAF? History has proven that the public act large will act in an entirely logical, self-serving manner. Any corporation that engages in underhanded tactics or activities that can harm the public will be dealt with swiftly through widespread boycotts and demands for answers from top executives. This pressure is more than enough to keep corporations in line, merely the threat of such things will keep them honest. Unfortunately, we have all this messy regulation that keeps throwing our economy into chaos and keeps the wealthy and powerful in this country from doing what they do best: creating more jobs for hard-working Americans. If only they were truly allowed to be free...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 06, 2011, 01:08:51 PM
JD, you've made enough claims about what's been "proven" based on little more than your own ideology and maybe a couple last minute Google searches that very few people here, if any, are gonna take you simply on your word.

Not saying that as an attack.  Just letting you know in case you ever wanted to try to make yourself heard rather than typing angrily into the void.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 12:37:49 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 12:36:46 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 12:34:59 PM
Not surprising to see costs passed onto the consumer.  Not at all.


:bow Capitalism :bow2

Want to sarcastically bow?  Bow to market interference.  When government tacks onto the costs of doing business, things get more expensive.  Every time.

There was no added cost, just less profit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 01:21:24 PM
I think what Jay Dubya wants is a system that does away with incentive to screw over customers in any way, shape or form for a buck in order to please shareholders.

Maybe Communism.

Jay Dubya is a communist.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
In other words, if you support the regulation in question, you have little to stand on when you whine about the costs being passed onto you.  If you wanted this to happen, one assumes you thought it worth it the cost.  Well, it happened.  Now pay up.

When banks are free to change businesses any amount they want in fees, where do costs get passed on then? Hmmm...let me think...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2011, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on October 06, 2011, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 06, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
There was no added cost, just less profit.

The practical difference being?

Taking in less revenue does not equate to higher costs. Since the swipe fee gravy train was paired back, they are trying to make that profit up off the backs of their customers. I hope the leave en mass. And that would be the market deciding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2011, 02:15:50 PM
But there is no additional costs the banks had to assume. So I'm not following how they can pass the 'no costs' onto their customers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
Hey now.  Bank of America has a right to make an exorbitant profit charging outrageous fees!  IT'S THEIR RIGHT!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 06, 2011, 02:15:50 PM
But there is no additional costs the banks had to assume. So I'm not following how they can pass the 'no costs' onto their customers.
Well they certainly don't want to gamble with your money for free
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2011, 02:51:34 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 06, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/bizarrosgr/2e5cbed7.jpg)

American exceptionalism!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
I'm either switching to a credit union or a decent bank. There's a TCF right across the street from me, I'll do some research

It was easy to switch banks, the hard part was getting off my ass and doing it.

Yea, that's gonna be my problem. I'll have to withdraw all my money right? Why can't I just call BoA and tell them to put my money in another bank  :'(

Haha, when I switched banks I went to Chase to pull most of it out, and that was on the same day as some customer appreciation day where the new branch manager was greeting everyone and everything. I felt bad because individual branches are just doing their jobs, and theyre happy to have their jobs- felt like a dick. Never went back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:05:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 06, 2011, 12:17:27 PM
Glad I don't bank at one of the big banks.

My wife and I use Wells Fargo, but I still have my BECU (Boeing Employees Credit Union) account open from high school and college. If WF pulls something like this, we'll probably move everything over to BECU.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
When I switched from Wells Fargo I did an online bank transfer to my Chase account and just let the account sit for 60 days and WF closed it automatically.

Gundam, I read somewhere that Wells Fargo is charging for having a debit card soon.  IIRC they're already testing it in markets and rolling it out soon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 06, 2011, 03:11:01 PM
JD:  Hey, I'm just trying to give you advice.  When Boogie rants about something, for example, I'm gonna listen because I know it's either a subject that he's got some personal expertise on, or one that he's decently well-read on.  If you want to actually increase the number of libertarians on the plant (and I'm not saying you do), you might want to build that sort of rep for yourself.

Sorry if that comes across as an insult, buddy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 03:15:53 PM
Me? I just shoot from the hip. I also watch Last Word and Rachel- its clear im not up for high level armchair politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:18:51 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 03:07:42 PM
When I switched from Wells Fargo I did an online bank transfer to my Chase account and just let the account sit for 60 days and WF closed it automatically.

Gundam, I read somewhere that Wells Fargo is charging for having a debit card soon.  IIRC they're already testing it in markets and rolling it out soon

I heard WF was going to start charging monthly fees for accounts that have less $40,000 in savings. Thanks to my "MUST SAVE MORE MONEY!!" wife, we never drop below it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 06, 2011, 03:44:13 PM
Gundam -- completely unrelated but make sure you're on litter duty while your wifey is preggers, it's a thing.

I've always been on litter duty 24/7. Thanks, though!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 06, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
Hey now.  Bank of America has a right to make an exorbitant profit charging outrageous fees!  IT'S THEIR RIGHT!

and it never would've had to happen if the damn government would just let them keep charing people insane amounts of money for something that doesn't actually cost them any money at all!  it's their right to do whatever they want to make more moeny!  and its the single most important right we have in america!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2011, 07:25:13 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2011, 08:32:45 PM
:drudge
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186133-reid-triggers-nuclear-option-to-change-senate-rules-and-prohibit-post-cloture-filibusters
:drudge

Reid grew some balls holy shit. I love how Drudge is labeling this as the end of filibusters btw lol. This doesn't kill filibusters, it kills the ability to obstruct bills/amendments AFTER a filibuster has already been broken. Kudos
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 07, 2011, 09:52:03 AM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 03:15:53 PM
Me? I just shoot from the hip. I also watch Last Word and Rachel- its clear im not up for high level armchair politics.

oh, god.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 07, 2011, 09:57:14 AM
Hey, where do you get your talking points anyway, drew?  I know you act like your beliefs are all sui generis, but real talk here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2011, 10:02:50 AM
What's wrong with Maddow? She's actually fair, doesn't antagonize conservative guests, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 07, 2011, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 07, 2011, 09:57:14 AM
Hey, where do you get your talking points anyway, drew?  I know you act like your beliefs are all sui generis, but real talk here.

Infowars.com?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 07, 2011, 11:06:25 AM
drudge and businessweek
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 12:26:19 PM
Like the Koch brothers? They inherited everything
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 12:27:29 PM
Rachel Maddow + Ezra Klein + Melissa Harris Perry = Win

STFU Drew

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rachel-maddow-msnbc-243775?page=2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2011, 02:48:27 PM
I thought the old-fashioned American way was "screw you King George, imma get my guns!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 07, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
rachel maddow is a dumb cunt, sorry

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
How is she dumb?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2011, 03:49:42 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
How is she dumb?

All Rhodes scholars are intellectual insects when compared to your average drug-addled waste of flesh from Ohio, MAF.  This is common knowledge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 07, 2011, 03:53:45 PM
i'm mainly referring to her post tucson shooting "work"

[youtube=560,345]fPG2GzO5cZ4[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]xTinLEBYlws[/youtube]

and last but certainly not least:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908//vp/41030180#41030180

the last one really shows what she and her ilk are all about, placing laws in front of and outright banning things that they don't know the first thing about
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 04:56:08 PM
Having opinions that arent in line with drew = dumb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 07, 2011, 05:04:02 PM
ugh, no. did you even watch any of the videos?  her logic is based upon enacting laws and prohibitions for the lowest common denominator.  she has such a strong radical belief that is based upon complete and utter ignorance of the topic at hand.  not to mention the blatant spreading of misinformation to downright lying to her audience. need i go on?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 07, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
I think what they're asking for you is for you to actually counter her points with statistics or references since you're accusing her of flat out lying. 

i haven't watched the video.  Just here to mediate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 08, 2011, 12:51:29 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 07, 2011, 05:15:03 PM
I think what they're asking for you is for you to actually counter her points with statistics or references since you're accusing her of flat out lying. 

i haven't watched the video.  Just here to mediate.

at least watch the beginning of the third video, you really don't need to counter blatant bullshit with cold hard facts, especially when she herself didn't seem to seek them before getting opening her mouth on national television

Quote from: Spencer on October 07, 2011, 05:17:13 PM
Could you paraphrase what's at the link? It redirects me to a mobile site so I can't see the correct article.

try this

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2011/01/13/plastic-guns-anti-aircraft-weapons-clips-and-cop-killer-bullets-on-rachel-maddow/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 04:08:09 PM
I'm going to Occupy Houston today
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2011, 01:02:45 AM
http://jezebel.com/5846662/lets-crown-the-next-sarah-palin/gallery/1

Kristi Noem omg  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 09, 2011, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 08, 2011, 04:08:09 PM
I'm going to Occupy Houston today

I went to Occupy Wall Street last night.  I was impressed by alot of what I saw, and how focused and level headed the volunteer organizers were, but there seemed to be less people than I had anticipated.  I mean, the park itself was packed to the gills, but I expected more overflow.   Later that night I read that the population had split before I arrived in order to occupy Washington Square Park, which is at least an order of magnitude larger than Zuccotti.

(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-QA545_100811_G_20111008172554.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2011, 08:34:48 AM
Why didnt this dude win?

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFabLp-Jcbg&feature=fvwp&NR=1[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2011, 08:38:39 AM
A. He's short
B. He looks like a Kiebler elf
C. He publicly admits to having seen UFOs
D. Wanted to create a Department of Peace... we 'murkins love us some war
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2011, 09:06:41 AM
Ok good points.

I like how he thinks though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2011, 09:35:48 AM
Just imagine if Denis Kucinich was as hot as his wife. Landslide victory, for sure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 10, 2011, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on October 09, 2011, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 08, 2011, 04:08:09 PM
I'm going to Occupy Houston today

I went to Occupy Wall Street last night.  I was impressed by alot of what I saw, and how focused and level headed the volunteer organizers were, but there seemed to be less people than I had anticipated. 
Occupy Houston had more people than I had anticipated.  A good amount were middle aged Ron Paul supporters though  :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 10, 2011, 11:44:25 AM
Reading up on this 'values voters' summit is disgusting. Should rename it to 'bigot voters' summit. :piss
These 'christian' pastors that spoke sound no different than the muslim clerics that preach terrorism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 12:16:09 PM
[youtube=560,345]LfcOGWRfXdk[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2011, 12:31:06 PM
Yeah where is the mayhem?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 01:24:43 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/lawrence-odonnells-offensive-interview-with-herman-cain/246328/#.To9QTEoxQgk.twitter

An utter piece of shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 10, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 01:24:43 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/lawrence-odonnells-offensive-interview-with-herman-cain/246328/#.To9QTEoxQgk.twitter

An utter piece of shit

Yeah that bit of the interview blew me the fuck away. Changed the channel till Rachel was on. I couldn't believe it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 10, 2011, 02:03:21 PM
Cable news has always sucked ass.  I don't see what is so particularly shocking about this except that someone actually bothered to watch a show on MSNBC :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 10, 2011, 04:09:52 PM
Rachel is good, Odonnell has potential but yeah that clip is just really bad, Ratigan is also a fun listen. I think my main problem with people who bash cable news is that they often use it as some kind of indicator of an informed opinion. Its easy to hate ALL cable news.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 10, 2011, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 01:24:43 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/lawrence-odonnells-offensive-interview-with-herman-cain/246328/#.To9QTEoxQgk.twitter

An utter piece of shit

God forbid we have a bootstrappin African American that buys his mansions with his own money, and not with welfare checks.  ::)

edit: oh you were talking about Lawrence i see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 04:56:17 PM
Cable news is basically like Sarah Palin: terribly dumb but safely ignored.

One of my (politically apathetic) friends was exposed to a bunch of Fox News (it's what his dad had on in the hospital), and was downright horrified.  I explained to him that it was a common reaction, but eventually you realize you can't win over someone from its target audience, and that it won't try to win over people from outside that audience.  So you just accept that it's out there and pay no mind.

Fox is obviously worse than the other two, but they're pretty fuckin' terrible in their own right.  Not just the prime-time "personality" op-ed shows.  Try watching the midday headline stuff for a couple hours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 10, 2011, 05:08:04 PM
Most of whats on the internet is just as bad if not worse. I like to think its entirely possible that there are a few folks out there hosting shows that are worth a damn. but whutever politisnobz
Title: So defensive, mang.
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
No shit the internet's terrible.  But besides having a better format for learning (hyperlinked text nom nom nom), the good stuff tends to clump together, making it easier to find and filter.  If Ta-Nehisi Coates links to someone else's blog, that's probably worth reading.  If I watch a show because it was advertised on Maddow, I'm probably feeling cheated by the end of it.  "The Internet" isn't trying to sell me on the credibility of a brand like CNN and MSNBC are, and kind of insulting me in the process.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 05:32:43 PM
Name dropping Coates like I didn't put you on him smh!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 05:33:12 PM
Oldie but goodie

(http://i.imgur.com/fKHkU.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2011, 05:40:56 PM
 :lol

I still don't understand why your universities have to be THAT expensive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 10, 2011, 06:14:51 PM
Some poor people want everybody to be poor, they are funny like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 10, 2011, 06:18:13 PM
999!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2011, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 10, 2011, 07:05:29 PM
Here's a naive political shoot from the hip:

What if there was a maximum income? Still high enough to be stupid rich, like say a few tens of millions or  so a year. Might spur CEOs towards reinvestment into employees and drive average wages up, taking a chunk of out the wealth inequity.

I'm sure the republican answer to that would be WTF SOCIALISM?!!?!! but is there really any reason to allow someone to earn more than 50 million a year?

This is a free society, there should be no limits on personal income. Taxing rich people a decent amount makes more sense. Not the 70% rate that once existed, but something like 35-40%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 07:31:52 PM
Off the top of my head:  Once you get past $50/million a year, most of those people are going to be getting money from returns on capital rather than from salary.  So how do you cap that?  If someone invests $1 million in a start-up and eventually that stock is worth $500 million, do you stop them from selling it?  Do they only get to sell $50mil a year?

Even just looking at salaries, do you limit what residents of the US can make, or what US companies can pay people?  Then you've got a ton of possible workarounds like living abroad or taking deferred payments, etc.  Of course the "it's complicated and you'll need a lot of extra rules to make sure it's not abused" is a criticism of almost any policy, and by itself it isn't a good argument against it.  But in this case, it's just not going to happen and higher taxes would probably address the core problems anyways.

It's not that people get rich so much as capital keeps accumulating at the top to the detriment of the rest of society.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 10, 2011, 08:09:43 PM
The answer is stronger unions, so that CEOs are responsible to someone other than their shareholders.

Also you can't cap the income from a corporation, so if you tried to cap individual income then all rich people would just make themselves into an LLC. Would never work and I don't think it's just.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 10, 2011, 08:16:01 PM
Swat teams are going to be bashing some heads tonight in boston.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 10, 2011, 08:27:03 PM
My feeling is there are a number of less extreme tactics available that are effective and merely aren't being implemented right now.  The aim is to be as uninhibiting as humanly possible while regulating the market.  Putting a hard limit on personal income sounds like an ethical quagmire and a headache to enforce. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 10, 2011, 08:30:43 PM
Occupy Nashville only has like twenty people  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 09:07:44 PM
What Grandpa said.  There are other countries, including the US in the past, which didn't have this problem.  So we don't necessarily need new, radical solutions.  We just need a political climate which will allow for liberal economic policy.


On a bit of a tangent, it's my understanding that the more egalitarian states (in Scandinavia, etc) achieve their results more through broad-based taxes and services than through progressive taxation.  That is taxes are generally high, and fund generous services available to everyone.  Massachusetts has a flat income tax, fwiw.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 10, 2011, 07:05:29 PM
I'm sure the republican answer to that would be WTF SOCIALISM?!!?!! but is there really any reason to allow someone to earn more than 50 million a year?

yes, there is, because they EARNED it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2011, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:22:49 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 10, 2011, 07:05:29 PM
I'm sure the republican answer to that would be WTF SOCIALISM?!!?!! but is there really any reason to allow someone to earn more than 50 million a year?

yes, there is, because they EARNED it.

Will Paris Hilton have EARNED all the money she gets when her parents kick it? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:42:34 PM
hell to the no, but an exception doesn't make a rule
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2011, 10:47:00 PM
I'm not for capping what people can make, but it sure as hell makes sense to me to tax rich people more, especially if they're gonna have most of the money. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 10, 2011, 10:48:43 PM
dynastic inheritance = exception?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
haha shut up

and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2011, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

That would make sense, except for this:

Quote
In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth. According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population. A PBS report by Solman on Aug. 16, 2011 now found that financial gains over the last decade in the United States have been mostly made at the "tippy-top" of the economic food chain as more people fall out of the middle class. The top 20 percent of Americans now holds 84 percent of U.S. wealth, the 2nd 20 % holds 11%, the third 20 % 4 %. The following figure shows the actual distribution of wealth in the US. The 4th 20% (0.2%) and the Bottom 20% (0.1%) are not visible.

The poorest 240,000,000 Americans own 15.3% of the nation's total wealth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2011, 11:11:05 PM
It's almost unfair that Drew is both stupid and terminally ill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2011, 11:19:27 PM
I remember a libertarian saying that a flat tax was inherently "fair" because of the fixed percentage, and I asked him about a flat-fee poll tax.  He said "that would be good too," even though that gave him two ostensibly objective measures of fairness that contradicted each other.   >:(

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It was JD.  :teehee
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 10, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2011, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

That would make sense, except for this:

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In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth. According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population. A PBS report by Solman on Aug. 16, 2011 now found that financial gains over the last decade in the United States have been mostly made at the "tippy-top" of the economic food chain as more people fall out of the middle class. The top 20 percent of Americans now holds 84 percent of U.S. wealth, the 2nd 20 % holds 11%, the third 20 % 4 %. The following figure shows the actual distribution of wealth in the US. The 4th 20% (0.2%) and the Bottom 20% (0.1%) are not visible.

The poorest 240,000,000 Americans own 15.3% of the nation's total wealth.

What's the source for this? I like pie charts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2011, 12:10:32 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 10, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2011, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: drew on October 10, 2011, 10:52:21 PM
and eh, if you're going to tax people, you better make it the same percentage across the board

That would make sense, except for this:

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In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth. According to this 2006 study by the Federal Reserve System, from 1989 to 2004, the distribution in the United States had been changing with indications there was a greater concentration of wealth held by the top 10% and top 1% of the population. A PBS report by Solman on Aug. 16, 2011 now found that financial gains over the last decade in the United States have been mostly made at the "tippy-top" of the economic food chain as more people fall out of the middle class. The top 20 percent of Americans now holds 84 percent of U.S. wealth, the 2nd 20 % holds 11%, the third 20 % 4 %. The following figure shows the actual distribution of wealth in the US. The 4th 20% (0.2%) and the Bottom 20% (0.1%) are not visible.

The poorest 240,000,000 Americans own 15.3% of the nation's total wealth.

What's the source for this? I like pie charts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_distribution
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 11, 2011, 01:42:04 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/)

So, the daily caller (!) is angry that Obama's a corporatist? Does this mean he isn't a soshulist anymore?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2011, 01:48:51 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 11, 2011, 01:42:04 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/10/obama-attacks-banks-while-raking-in-wall-street-dough/)

So, the daily caller (!) is angry that Obama's a corporatist? Does this mean he isn't a soshulist anymore?

No, he's both a corporatist AND a soshilust.  Just like he simultaneously is a sekrit muslin AND has a radical pastor!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 11, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
now that "corporatist" is the new epithet to rile up the populists, expect to hear more of that from the right-wing wackadoodle set.

SEE DEM FAT CATS? NOBAMMER WANTS TO GIB EM ALL YER TAX MONIES SO NO MOAR TAXES, ALSO GAY FETUS MARRIAGE!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 11, 2011, 10:44:15 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 11, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
now that "corporatist" is the new epithet to rile up the populists, expect to hear more of that from the right-wing wackadoodle set.

SEE DEM FAT CATS? NOBAMMER WANTS TO GIB EM ALL YER TAX MONIES SO NO MOAR TAXES, ALSO GAY FETUS MARRIAGE!!!!

Sarah Palin started using "crony capitalism" a few weeks back, too.  Once they start calling the Libya campaign "imperialist" us liberals aren't gonna have any epithets left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2011, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 11, 2011, 01:08:38 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 11, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
now that "corporatist" is the new epithet to rile up the populists, expect to hear more of that from the right-wing wackadoodle set.

SEE DEM FAT CATS? NOBAMMER WANTS TO GIB EM ALL YER TAX MONIES SO NO MOAR TAXES, ALSO GAY FETUS MARRIAGE!!!!

Sarah Palin started using "crony capitalism" a few weeks back, too.

Solyandra (sp?)

Also, lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 12, 2011, 12:39:38 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#44868447

I wish Buddy got the time of day from his own party- I kinda respect the dude and what hes trying to represent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 12, 2011, 01:32:01 AM
Yeah thats whats irritating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2011, 09:35:38 AM
Uh oh, are we about to bomba Iran?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 12, 2011, 09:39:15 AM
so close to an election? I doubt it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 12, 2011, 12:13:38 PM
:piss links to videos :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 12, 2011, 12:20:11 PM
SO SORRY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 12, 2011, 06:30:54 PM
I just found out about this Occupy thing.  Someone told me I should feel bad for not knowing until now.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
at least I know the title of Die Hard 5 before she does  :smug
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 13, 2011, 08:00:27 AM
Occupy wallstreet is spreading to Europe.

3000 people are expected in Amsterdam :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2011, 12:40:58 PM
http://www.thefloridacurrent.com/article.cfm?id=24940585

OL SPARKY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2011, 01:54:52 PM
[youtube=560,345]fsiAtXyv_WA[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2011, 02:03:25 PM
Wait, that's actually an ANTI-Elizabeth Warren ad? Huh.

Edit:

[youtube=560,345]lu61aU4N8mM[/youtube]

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 13, 2011, 04:00:42 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/herman-cain-999-sim-city_n_1008952.html

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WASHINGTON -- In Herman Cain's America, the tax code would be very, very simple: The corporate income tax rate would be 9 percent, the personal income tax rate would be 9 percent and the national sales tax rate would be 9 percent.

But there's already a 999 plan out there, in a land called SimCity.

Long before Cain was running for president and getting attention for his 999 plan, the residents of SimCity 4 -- which was released in 2003 -- were living under a system where the default tax rate was 9 percent for commercial taxes, 9 percent for industrial taxes and 9 percent for residential taxes. (That is, of course, if you didn't use the cheat codes to get unlimited money and avoid taxes altogether.)

......

Kip Katsarelis, a senior producer for Maxis, the company that created the SimCity series, was excited that politicians may be looking to video games for ideas.

"We encourage politicians to continue to look to innovative games like SimCity for inspiration for social and economic change," said Katsarelis. "While we at Maxis and Electronic Arts do not endorse any political candidates or their platforms, it's interesting to see GOP candidate Herman Cain propose a simplified tax system like one we designed for the video game SimCity 4."

Adopting such a simple tax structure, Katsarelis said, would allow fantasy political leaders to focus their energy on infrastructure and national security. "Our game design team thought that an easy to understand taxation system would allow players to focus on building their cities and have fun thwarting giant lizard attacks, rather than be buried by overly complex financial systems."

When asked about similarities between Cain's plan and SimCity's default tax rates, Cain campaign spokesman JD Gordon replied, "Well, we all like 9-9-9."

Rich Lowrie, the Ohio Wells Fargo employee who is the brains behind Cain's plan, did not return a request for comment regarding whether he is a fan of SimCity and looked to the game for inspiration.

A receptionist at Lowrie's Wells Fargo office said she doubted his idea came from SimCity. "Probably not," she told The Huffington Post. "I don't think he's much of a game person."

Presumably, under the Cain plan, disasters would be turned off.
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2011, 10:01:35 PM
999 plan is so busted- he doesnt even know how it would affect a computer product, with parts manufactured all over the place. Maybe he'll find an advisor for his staff that's good at being president
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
That's ok, this morning apparently Bachmann proposed going back to the tax rates from 1981... without realizing that would mean pretty substantial tax hikes for every bracket.  And people wonder why I think Republicans are stupid...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2011, 11:46:42 PM
Bachmann keeps surprising me with her gaffes.  Not so much that I think she should be smarter, but because the New Yorker piece on her described a campaign that was working pretty hard on controlling her image and making her seem respectable.  This is a major enough proposal/talking point that someone sane-ish on the campaign should have checked it first, right?

Ah, who am I kidding.  She's nuts and probably everyone on her campaign is too.

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2011, 10:01:35 PM
999 plan is so busted- he doesnt even know how it would affect a computer product, with parts manufactured all over the place. Maybe he'll find an advisor for his staff that's good at being president

I think that was the plan with Dick Cheney back in the day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2011, 11:48:06 PM
lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2011, 11:51:37 PM
I am going to institute the Reagan Plan of Reagan Taxation for Reagan America. Reagan.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2011, 11:57:22 PM
Well, Great Rumbler's already ahead of John Huntsman and Ron Paul in the latest Pew poll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2011, 11:59:45 PM
Bachmann is pretty much back in her normal mode from the looks of it- back in the mode of asking to put members of congress who dont agree with her on trial
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2011, 12:19:15 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 13, 2011, 11:46:42 PM
Bachmann keeps surprising me with her gaffes.  Not so much that I think she should be smarter, but because the New Yorker piece on her described a campaign that was working pretty hard on controlling her image and making her seem respectable.  This is a major enough proposal/talking point that someone sane-ish on the campaign should have checked it first, right?

Ah, who am I kidding.  She's nuts and probably everyone on her campaign is too.

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 13, 2011, 10:01:35 PM
999 plan is so busted- he doesnt even know how it would affect a computer product, with parts manufactured all over the place. Maybe he'll find an advisor for his staff that's good at being president

I think that was the plan with Dick Cheney back in the day.
lol she's been running one of the most undisciplined, stupid campaigns in recent history. No wonder her advisers bail on a monthly basis

Did anyone watch the Bloomberg debate? Seems pretty clear that Rick Perry can't think on his feet. Dude just seems dumb as hell. Like, almost Palin levels of not knowing wtf he's talking about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2011, 01:09:27 AM
Yeah, I think it's becoming fairly obvious that Perry is dumb as hell, which of course means he'll probably get the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2011, 01:57:21 AM
Bachmann's campaign started going south when Ed Rollins left. 

Also, I find it shocking that a party which seems to pride itself on hating education and smart people would field a bunch of dumb as fuck candidates.  Shocking, I tell you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 14, 2011, 02:15:28 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 13, 2011, 04:05:51 PM
The Netherlands has 4.3% unemployment and legalized weed. What are they going to protest?

they actually made mushrooms illegal, so there's that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2011, 03:35:10 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 13, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
That's ok, this morning apparently Bachmann proposed going back to the tax rates from 1981... without realizing that would mean pretty substantial tax hikes for every bracket.  And people wonder why I think Republicans are stupid...

Huh, surprised the librul blogs barely mentioned that bit of news today.

But yeah, no one should be surprised at how inept Bachmann is at pretty much everything. Her chief of staff mentioned that she has a nasty habit of reading like 60-70% of a news item, but neglecting the 30% that normally contains the crucial nugget of info that would nullify whatever point she would otherwise be making. Basically, Bachmann is the legislating equivalent of your idiot right winger roommate who gets his 'research' from chain e-mails.



Also, too. I've been saying for the longest time that Obama and the Dems should have had a marketing campaign based on reviving the Reagan tax rates. If for nothing else, than just the lols from seeing every Reagan-phile be put in such an uncomfortable position.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2011, 07:33:53 AM
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/victoria-jackson-stops-crazy-train-oc

This broad's insane. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 14, 2011, 08:38:23 AM
Conservatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative)
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Conservatism in the United States includes a variety of political ideologies including fiscal conservatism, supply-side economics, social conservatism, libertarian conservatism, bioconservatism and religious conservatism, as well as support for a strong military. Modern American conservatism was largely born out of alliance between classical liberals and social conservatives in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

In the US, social conservatives emphasize traditional views of social units such as the family, church, or locale. Social conservatism may entail defining marriage as relationships between one man and one woman (thereby prohibiting same-sex marriage and polygamy) and laws placing restrictions on the practice of abortion. While many religious conservatives believe that government should have a role in defending moral values, libertarian conservatives such as Barry Goldwater advocated a hands-off government where social values were concerned.

Neoliberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism)
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Neoliberalism seeks to transfer control of the economy from public to the private sector, under the belief that it will produce a more efficient government and improve the economic health of the nation.
The Administration of Ronald Reagan, from 1981 to 1989, made a range of decisions that served to liberalize (in contemporary US terminology, this is more likely to be described as conservative economics rather than liberal; in the sense of this article, liberalize refers to an economic system involving few regulations) the American economy. These policies are often described as Reaganomics, and are often associated with supply-side economics (The notion that, in order to lower prices and cultivate economic prosperity, policies should appeal to producers rather than consumers.).

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Neoliberal movements ultimately changed the world's economies in many ways, but some analysts argue that the extent to which the world has liberalized may often be overstated. Some of the past thirty years' changes are clear and unambiguous, like:

    Growth in international trade and cross-border capital flows
    Elimination of trade barriers
    Cutbacks in public sector employment
    The privatization of previously public-owned enterprises
    The transfer of the share of countries' economic wealth to the top economic percentiles of the population.

Other changes are not so apparent, and are debated in the literature:

    Reduction in the size of governments. Governments do not appear to have shrunk wholesale. With the exception of exceptionally high-spending governments, government expenditures (as a percentage of GDP) appears to have stayed the same since 1980. Most of the cuts to government spending appear to have been a temporary phenomenon that took place during the 1990s

Surprise, conservatives like to have it both ways.

Also(http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2011/10/10/18/24/7r0K2.St.56.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2011, 03:32:03 PM
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To show how this would work, let me offer up a simplified example that is based on Kleinbard’s analysis. Take a firm with gross revenues of a hundred million dollars that pays fifty million dollars in wages and salaries and forty million dollars in other costs (raw materials, advertising, and so on). Under the current system, the firm’s taxable profits are ten million dollars, and its tax bill is $3.5 million.

Under Cain’s proposal, since the firm could no longer deduct the fifty million in wages and salaries, its taxable profit would jump to sixty million. At a tax rate of nine per cent, its tax bill would be $5.4 million. If you compare this figure to $3.5 million, you will see that the firm’s effective tax rate would jump by more than half under the Cain plan. When applied to firms throughout the economy, such a tax hike would generate a very big jump in revenues from the business tax despite the fact that it was being levied at a lower rate.

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How much of it would they be able to pass on? According to most economic studies that have looked into this type of question, the answer is almost all of it. The “incidence” of such taxes falls almost entirely on workers. (The technical reason for this is that the supply of labor is less sensitive to the level of wages than the demand for labor.) Ultimately, rather than paying nine per cent of their income in income taxes, workers would face a rate of close to eighteen per cent. Half of these taxes the I.R.S. would collect directly. The other half employers would deduct from workers’ paychecks and pass on to the government.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2011/10/9-9-9-herman-cain-middle-class.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 14, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
To me, Cain is the Fred Thompson of 2012, without the hot wife.  He'll fizzle out once his people realize that he has no shot against Obama.  As for now, I think he is just the no confidence candidate: for people who think Perry is too stupid, Romney worshipping the wrong Jesus, and Bachmann too outwardly insane to take seriously.  I think it is also a vote to attempt to spite people who consider the modern GOP to be racists.  Once the wagons circle around someone else (it won't be Cain), Cain will be done.

Anyway,

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/politics/health-care-program/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

I like this quote:

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"We should repeal the CLASS Act and the rest of the health spending law and replace it with the type of common-sense reforms that lower costs and Americans support," McConnell said.

All he needed to put in there was "freedom" and "patriot" to round out the catchphrases of the right.  Someone should create Bingo card about the right wing for the 2012 election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 12:30:21 AM
CNN is reporting Huntsman is dropping out of the race. lol what a waste
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2011, 12:31:56 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on October 14, 2011, 11:32:52 PM
I won't bother to post the link, but David brooks' new piece is perhaps the dumbest thing I've ever read from him.

This is a bold statement coming from someone whose intellect I respect.  I kind of want to go and read it but I'm scared the stupid will hurt my eyeballs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 15, 2011, 01:18:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 12:30:21 AM
CNN is reporting Huntsman is dropping out of the race. lol what a waste

oh well, he was the only guy i was considering voting for other than YOU KNOW WHO

meanwhile, in Liberty Plaza...

[youtube=560,345]oSo-MEiMbac[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 01:52:41 AM
Dunno if he's joking or serious.

also, who do these assholes thinks has to clean up the giant messes they're making? What better way to create solidarity than trash the streets and restaurant bathrooms that the janitor/maintenance members of Teh 99% have to clean.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 15, 2011, 10:22:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 01:52:41 AM
also, who do these assholes thinks has to clean up the giant messes they're making? What better way to create solidarity than trash the streets and restaurant bathrooms that the janitor/maintenance members of Teh 99% have to clean.

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Dunno if he's joking or serious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2011, 12:19:33 PM
I'm pretty sure Brooks was a lot nicer in writing about the Tea Party when it happened, but there are probably a billion liberal blogs digging up quotes to prove that right now.

The guy is such a putz.  His columns are all some mix of lazy, sloppy, and passive-aggressive.  I ignore him as much as I can, but it kills me when I think that he and Friedman are major opinion-makers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 12:35:00 PM
Brooks somehow dismisses Occupy's "goals" because...they wouldn't balance the budget. What the fuck man, someone explain. He complains about people offering short term solutions then paints higher taxes on the rich as only lowering the deficit by minor percentage points, as if the world ends in 2013 and if we don't CUT CUT CUT now, we lose the Deficit Game.

The fact is that if we simply shit canned the Bush tax cuts and stopped jumping into wars the budget would largely balance itself. That is, assuming people start buying shit again, people start hiring, etc. I

But Occupy isn't concerned about the deficit, it's focused on ensuring people pay their fair share of taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 15, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
well according to right wingers if we cut the deficit then people will get more confident and start buying/hiring again.  PD, you should run on that platform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 01:18:16 PM
Not everyone reads each Brooks article the minute it's released, Cohen :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 15, 2011, 01:49:34 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Dk5hQQYcnMR8V2Nkrgt8gw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/eyebrow-toupee.jpg)

if a person's brow pops up when surprised, what was Ron Paul feeling when his fell off? (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibtimes.com%2Farticles%2F231684%2F20111014%2Fron-paul-2012-fake-eyebrows-gop-debate.htm&ei=y8aZTrqQNqKJsQKCoeTaBA&usg=AFQjCNGD1sldEFDSWGQzS6IQw3D-RUWfHQ&sig2=TtrBWaTzgk8JQt58gm0t_w)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on October 15, 2011, 01:16:03 PM
Why don't people protesting Wall Street bailouts OFFER A LONG TERM SOLUTION TO CUT THE DEBT.

Also I'm talking about the latest, latest Brooks piece.  In which he compares the World Trade center construction to...something.

Well, I guess I have to go read that now.


...




Okay, so the column is about how people need to stop assigning larger meaning to mundane, practical matters.  An idea Brooks supports by deriving a grand, universal lesson from a single construction project.

Herp de goddam derp.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2011, 08:14:25 PM
I just wanna say that I was never alerted to rightwing chain emails by people who believe them until I got on Facebook.


Social network. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2011, 08:33:56 PM
I find myself getting inadvertently "unfriended" from those people due to my failure to keep my big fat honky mouth shut.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 08:40:40 PM
I rarely talk politics on facebook, too many conservative...acquaintances. Although when I do post something, it's often not particularly positive on Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2011, 08:46:35 PM
My opinion on that sort of thing is that if someone says/believes something that is obviously FACTUALLY WRONG, it does no one any good to let them go on believing it.  So I tend to at first try to politely link them to something that disproves what they're talking about, which gets me labeled a commie or some shit by their gaggle of idiot friends, and eventually unfriended when I won't back down or shut up and inevitably start throwing insults back.  It's all rather predictable, really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
Almost all the time, if someone's repeating crazy stuff I don't bother arguing, regardless of the social situation.  If it's a friend who's sorta apathetic and uninformed and is freaked out by something they got emailed, sure, explain to them that it's overblown and they don't need to worry.  But almost all the time the people repeating this stuff get a steady stream of it and it's a big part of their identity.  You can't expect a productive reaction in those cases.

Also, I kind of lied when I said Facebook was my first exposure to this.  Not necessarily rightwing emails, but you work with seniors, and it's like everything they know about the world they got through a game of telephone.  Heard one old man explaining to another that the point of the 999 plan was to make sure rich people had to pay their share by including a sales tax.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
I only step in when I see sheer madness. Like a couple years ago when birthism was at its peak, and the various "the IRS will break down yer door and fine you if you don't buy insurance" stuff last year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
trying to have productive, intellegent debates is usually pointless, but how can you not enjoy poking the crazies' hornet nest sometimes?  i dont want to get on facebook every day and let loony religious shit and casual racism sit on there without ripping in to whoever said it at least a little bit.  its fun to make them feel uncomfortable instead of having it the other way around all the time.

plus seeing people's reactions when you post shit like "be sure to celebrate National Thank Your Abortion Doctor Day!" is priceless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2011, 11:35:28 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 16, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
trying to have productive, intellegent debates is usually pointless, but how can you not enjoy poking the crazies' hornet nest sometimes?  i dont want to get on facebook every day and let loony religious shit and casual racism sit on there without ripping in to whoever said it at least a little bit.  its fun to make them feel uncomfortable instead of having it the other way around all the time.

plus seeing people's reactions when you post shit like "be sure to celebrate National Thank Your Abortion Doctor Day!" is priceless

oh lawd

Anyway, I don't debate on Facebook.  The more you argue with someone over Facebook, the dumber you look, even if it is over some copypasta of a chain e-mail with numerous fallacies.

I work with a lot of right wing teabaggers and I usually just tell them that I don't want to hear their dumbfuckery because I prefer not to talk politics while working.  They usually respect that and leave me alone about those kinds of things.  Besides, I doubt I can convert some 50 year old upper middle class middle manager woman into thinking that Michele Bachmann isn't the future ("It's time we had a woman in office!" verbatim quote) nor do I feel obligated to do so.  Haranguing people you know and work with leads to resentment and I'm not going to sacrifice working relationships because they have different political views.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
What about arguing on other people's walls? I got banned from someone's wall for arguing on it over health care. I was very cordial and mainly posted link. Probably not a good idea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2011, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 16, 2011, 11:35:28 AM

oh lawd

ITS A WEBFORUM I DONT NEED TO USE SPELLCHECK JESUS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2011, 02:14:39 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/long-ties-to-koch-brothers-key-to-cains-campaign/2011/10/16/gIQAKTLPoL_story.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2011, 12:37:04 PM
What about arguing on other people's walls? I got banned from someone's wall for arguing on it over health care. I was very cordial and mainly posted link. Probably not a good idea

I'll argue on facebook and other people's walls, i don't give a fuck

 :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on October 17, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/videos/2011/10/17/herman-cain-sings-an-ode-to-pizza.html

I'm glad our next president can sing.  :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fomalhaut on October 17, 2011, 01:36:52 PM
I've always wondered to those of us relatively 'versed' in Politick and keep noting the OWS movements lack of cogent and concise leadership, etc etc.   Do YOU think you would be capable of heading such a project? As in acting as the symbolic and intellectual head of the movement? or at least a sub-chapter?  To give legitimacy to the movement in the eyes of those who are imo unfairly critical because of the perceived 'stupidity' of many of those participating?  I've heard that a lot and it bothers me, idk.

I've been wondering that myself lately, and it's gotten me into this reading frenzy because my knowledge base is so limited when considering the vast reformation project the nation needs to go through in almost every facet of itself.

 It goes beyond simply the rigged financial system and clear cases of collusion and corruption, but an increasingly indistinguishable border between the whims of the government and that of the financial institutions and corporations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 17, 2011, 04:29:58 PM
no, because i'd turn it into my personal sex cult.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2011, 04:34:51 PM
Cruncheon's in collusion with Big Sex.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 17, 2011, 04:42:39 PM
occupy orifices
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2011, 05:14:52 PM
That's something I could get behind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2011, 05:35:15 PM
I saw Herman Cain's interview with David Gregory, and gotta give Greggers credit for pushing back a bit on his idiotic 9-9-9 plan. He got him to admit that certain people's taxes will go up under his plan. Sadly, the rest of the interview was pretty much 'so like what's ur fav color Mr. reverse Obama?'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2011, 05:45:23 PM
I heard Cain admitted some people's taxes will go up. How can he possibly admit that while arguing his plan lowers taxes for the middle class? A NATIONAL SALES TAX raises most people's taxes.

jeez if all it takes for conservatives to accept a tax hike is for a charismatic black guy to pimp it, how come they don't like Obama?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2011, 05:49:18 PM
Yeah, he did admit that. One of the most amusing parts was when Gregory asked him how taxes would be lowered when his sales tax would be added on to whatever other taxes that a state imposes. Cain's answer was pretty much saying that taxes would go down be state taxes don't count or some shit. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 18, 2011, 02:12:19 AM
also, don't state and smaller governments pretty much depend on sales tax more so then any larger entity.  If 9% got slapped onto my existing sales tax it would be well over 15% on every damn thing I buy.

which is of course the simplest argument against a national sales tax, but that assumes that anybody is really taking this doofus seriously.  Which I still doubt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2011, 02:19:23 AM
So Bill O' did one of my favorite right wing slip of the hands. He had some black professor or something on, and was asking if the OWS protestors are racists cause there aren't many black people out protesting, and thus, OWS are just as, if not MORE racist than the tea baggers. Later on in the debate, O'reilly says that Republicans can't be racist cause Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2011, 02:44:36 AM
Meh, just the right regurgitating the same talking points the left hurled at the Tea Party initially

"all white people, must be racist!"
"they have no plans, they're just angry!"


I've seen some black and Hispanic people in OWS pictures though. At the end of the day OWS won't have nearly the impact the Tea Party had/has. Populist movement that benefits corporations>populist movement that doesn't benefit corporations
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2011, 04:16:15 AM
Tea bagger Nation founder Justin Phillips: OWS have the support of both the communists AND the Nazis! (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-accuses-occupy-wall-street-nazi-ties)

Quote
ot only the Communist Party but also the American Nazi Party has endorsed OWS as well.

The media has been falling all over itself to spin OWS as the newest liberal movement, just like the Tea Party. They have done their best to hide videos that show what the Occupy movement really believes.

Both Communists and Nazi’s are socialists. They hate freedom and liberty and both want to see freedom and liberty replaced with tyranny.

OWS claims to be a leaderless movement, yet no one involved with the movement is willing to denounce the Nazis or the Communists. Contrast that to the Tea Party movement, which went overboard to make sure no one involved with the Tea Party movement was a racist or a Nazi.

OWS seems to have no problem with Nazis or the Communists. OWS supports forms of totalitarianism that directly killed about 250 million people in the last century and enslaved billions in poverty and tyranny.

The OWS movement, contrary to the media myth that is being spun, is not just a spontaneous uprising, but rather a well-planned event. It is not simply a group of dissatisfied Americans seeking redress of their grievances. It is a well thought out plan by far left wing groups.

…

The far left knows as well as well as we do that 2012 will be the ultimate battle between freedom and tyranny. Either real Americans win the battle of 2012 and we will save liberty for our nation or they will win and America will slide into socialism.

Good and evil cannot coexist. One must prevail and the other must fail. Freedom and socialism cannot co-exist. Either we totally defeat the far left in 2012 or we lose.

Losing is not an option.
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Post by: Himu on October 18, 2011, 06:54:48 AM
We definitely need to keep America safe from the nazis in case Hitler ever makes a comeback like that Napu...Nape...Neopolitan guy did.

Occupy Wall Street is the enemy and we cannot afford to fail.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2011, 08:34:41 AM
I love listening to people who say how other people hate freedom while advocating abortion bans and being anti gay marriage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 18, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
Political debates on facebook are a good way of weeding out idiots in your extended circle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 18, 2011, 11:15:14 AM
Dr. Paul is at it again:

http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=23349 (http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=23349)

Pretty typical of Paul - some stuff I agree wholeheartedly on (pulling out of the middle east, slash congressional pay/perks, ends personal savings taxes), and some stuff that is so pie-in-the-sky crazy (abolishing Departments of Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and  :lol Education :lol ... along with allowing young people to opt out of SS).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 18, 2011, 12:07:45 PM
David Brooks' delicious op-ed  (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/opinion/the-great-restoration.html?_r=1&ref=opinion) on why he holds the OWS movement in contempt.  If only the pained masses would keep their filthy maws shut and suffer in silence than the authentic historical process can take place.  The one in which nearly everyone learns to enjoy the turkey baster being squirted in their fuzzybear.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2011, 12:46:02 PM
Way to go, Tiesto, you basically flashed the JD signal.

Chipopo, I'm not allowed to read Brooks anymore.  Doctor says it's bad for my blood pressure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
I like to think that big geysers of steam actually erupt from Triumph's ears, cartoon-style, and his physician has warned him about the potential for long-term hearing loss.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2011, 12:52:50 PM
Which sounds more Communists?

A) Protesting corporate greed/influence in government

B) Defending the uncompetitive, inflexible plutocracy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2011, 01:11:01 PM
Shorter David Brooks: "According to Paul Krugman ome economists, deficit spending is needed to support aggregate demand, but I think people should spend less and save more, and the polls show people agree with me.  I win!  Neener neener neener."


Crowdsourcing oughta be a fireable offense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2011, 01:33:52 PM
Because labeling something that doesn't suit your agenda preserves the status quo.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2011, 01:35:04 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 18, 2011, 01:29:40 PM
I'm sure this will get me a reprimand from Mandark, but so fucking what if a plan or idea sounds socialist or communist. Doesn't it stand to logic that pulling some ideas from different political ideologies would be a healthy thing for the system? I guess I just don't get how politicians get away with shooting things down just because "sounds like socialism to me!!"

There's a difference between constructive discussion of political idealogy and callin' people Nazis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 18, 2011, 02:09:54 PM
If you're a decent critical thinker than a good policy is good because it gets results, not because of where it was adapted from.  If you're a wretched seething primitive that needs All Of Us to do the thinking for It, than socialism is bad because it's Other Than.  The question of why it's such a successful political trick is really a question for group psychology.       
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2011, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: David Brooks last Thursday
Maybe it’s part of living in a postmaterialist economy, but nearly every practical question becomes a values question.  You get politicians and commentators whose views are entirely predictable because they don’t care about the specifics of any particular issue.

...

At the national level anybody who tries to zig and zag gets regarded as weak and traitorous by the economic values groups. There are rewards for those who fight over symbols, few for those who see the thing itself.

Quote from: David Brooks today
But that doesn’t mean people are just shrinking back. Quietly but decisively, Americans are trying to restore the moral norms that undergird our economic system.

...

These majorities are focused on the fundamentals. They say that repairing the economic moral fabric is the essential national task right now. They are suspicious of government action in general, saying that government often undermines this fabric.

I've been trolled, haven't I?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2011, 02:22:56 PM
urge to kill... rising...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on October 18, 2011, 02:09:54 PM
If you're a decent critical thinker than a good policy is good because it gets results, not because of where it was adapted from.  If you're a wretched seething primitive that needs All Of Us to do the thinking for It, than socialism is bad because it's Other Than.  The question of why it's such a successful political trick is really a question for group psychology.       

remember back in 08 when Rush was slobbering over Romney? Then Obama passed a health care bill and conservatives casted Mittens out of the party. Whereas they had little problems with MA's health care plan back in 07
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
Well that was all before the fabric of America was destroyed because OMG BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 18, 2011, 03:48:27 PM
merely rest assured that traditional conservative ethics are sweeping the nation and the particulars about whether it be in a tenacious political fashion or through an imperceivable private coup it will surely be an enjoyable read when david brooks writes a self indulgent psychological fantasy novel about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
Just gonna leave this right here...

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/10/18/1027737/-Tea-Party-Nation-asks-businesses-to-stop-hiring-as-expression-of-tea-party solidarity?detail=hide&via=blog_1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 18, 2011, 07:26:39 PM
Quote from: Green Man on October 18, 2011, 05:13:30 PM
Roemer is doing an AmA on Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/lgklh/iama_2012_gop_presidential_candidate_i_believe_in/

I like Roemer- too bad his own party doesnt like him :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2011, 08:53:34 PM
Perry attacks Romney on immigration, audience boos Perry. Yea, he's finished
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2011, 09:01:35 PM
From what I've seen, the audience is very pro-Romney and this shouldn't be taken as a sign that the rest of the tea bagger set approves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 18, 2011, 11:22:00 PM
I find "illegals" is really ugly comng out of the mouth
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2011, 12:50:22 AM
Charles Pierce disembowels David Brooks and wears his guts like a trophy in this here blog post. (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-brooks-great-restoration-6518155)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fomalhaut on October 19, 2011, 03:03:20 AM
so do the reactions against the movement really just show the abyssal straits we are in, as a united nation?  i mean, all the players are acting exactly according to their scripts and any chance of rhetoric or hope is crushed often enough in my mind. 

How is it possible to remove the effects of 40 years of propaganda and cultural narrative completely controlled by media?


and a note, since i've moved to Europe i've found all these notions of 'socialism' and other vague and meaningless blanket statements which are meant to simply scare a paranoid populace even more comical than before, i mean my lord, these are capitalist nations to the core, just with restraints and concepts of social justice mixed into the pot and the result is pretty decent for the most part.  No death panels here... but i knew that all along
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2011, 04:15:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 18, 2011, 09:01:35 PM
From what I've seen, the audience is very pro-Romney and this shouldn't be taken as a sign that the rest of the tea bagger set approves.
Romney's big in Nevada. He got 51% of the vote there last time. There's a solid amount of Mormons there, either second or third with Idaho. (Harry Reid of course being one of them.) Although back in 2008 I read that a lot of his goodwill came from the 2002 Olympics as it boosted tourism in Nevada, for obvious reasons. Plus, it's a convention selected caucus, not a primary. (Angle won in a primary.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2w6xcvp.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 19, 2011, 03:29:06 PM
I was talking to my wife about that yesterday.

Her father has a mortgage with Bank of America.  BofA purchased it from Countrywide.  He has terrible credit and is always behind at least 1 payment. 

They got a letter yesterday saying that they had transferred the loan to another company.  I have been reading for the last few weeks about the shady shit BofA has been doing with their toxic assets.  I have a feeling his home is getting repossessed very soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2011, 05:22:25 PM
Charlie Pierce's summary of the debate yesterday:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republican-debate-6518814

The Iran-Contra thing was fucking amazing.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2011, 07:07:49 PM
BoA might go belly up soon. It's like they want to crash, with this bullshit $5 fee shit next year. I'll move my money out in December
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2011, 07:18:05 PM
meh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 19, 2011, 08:08:22 PM
The cult set will get pissy about this but fuck em: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/19/Obama-pulling-in-Wall-Street-donations/UPI-18421319065415/?spt=hs&or=tn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2011, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 19, 2011, 08:08:22 PM
The cult set will get pissy about this but fuck em: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/10/19/Obama-pulling-in-Wall-Street-donations/UPI-18421319065415/?spt=hs&or=tn

Somewhat surprising. I read a report the other that said Obama was being outspent in Wall Street donations 5 to 1 against Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2011, 08:54:46 PM
Pretty much all the big banks are going to have some sort of monthly fee for using debit cards, just a matter of time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2011, 09:05:13 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on October 19, 2011, 04:31:48 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 19, 2011, 03:16:23 PM


I think I should hurry up and get my money in a credit union.
First off, your money in insured so it isn't going to disappear when BoA's troubles get worse.  This move is probably tied to BoA's unwinding of some of their business (a process which has been ongoing for quite some time) and for the most part most banks have been doing this for years.  You should be with a credit union simply because they're easier to deal with, not gigantic macro moves like this.

Technically everything could go boom; if the FDIC gets fucked yes, people will lose their money and there will be blood in the streets. The ball is in Europe's court.

It's either "everyone dies," Europe gets it's shit together and avoids defaults, or we avoid blood in the streets and instead get Mega TARP. If we get another TARP, and this time to bail out Europe...oh man. If Ron Paul was smart he'd run as a third party candidate just in case something like that happened, and despite all my LOL PAULITES rhetoric I think he'd get a shit ton of votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 20, 2011, 02:27:52 AM
Quote
After Igniting Wall St. Protests, Magazine Proposes One Clear Demand

Three months ago, the Canadian magazine Adbusters called for a protest on Wall Street, providing the spark that began a wildfire of protest across the country and, over the weekend, in an increasing number of cities around the world.

That first call included a poster of a ballerina on the Wall Street bull, and a question: “What is our one demand?”

At the time, the answer was simple: gather in downtown Manhattan.

Now the magazine is attempting to push the protesters who have since heeded that call in New York and elsewhere — and have so far been united in little more than a shared anger — toward a more concrete, lasting and political set of demands. It is, in part, a reaction to the charge that the protesters lack any common ideas, and a fear that without one, the movement may fizzle.

“As the movement matures, let’s consider a response to our critics,” the magazine’s editors write in their latest “tactical briefing,” sent in a blast e-mail to 90,000 activists and readers on Monday. “Let’s occupy the core of our global system. Let’s dethrone the greed that defines this new century. Let’s work to define our one great demand.”

The e-mail, which was also posted on the magazine’s Web site, goes on:

On October 29, on the eve of the G20 Leaders Summit in France, let’s the people of the world rise up and demand that our G20 leaders immediately impose a 1% #ROBINHOOD tax on all financial transactions and currency trades. Let’s send them a clear message: We want you to slow down some of that $1.3-trillion easy money that’s sloshing around the global casino each day – enough cash to fund every social program and environmental initiative in the world.

The magazine then asks readers to take the idea for this “Robin Hood” tax on financial trades — and a global march on Saturday, Oct. 29 — to the so-called general assemblies that have been at the center of many of the Occupy protests and sit-ins.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/after-igniting-wall-st-protests-magazine-proposes-one-clear-demand/#more-136203


Seems like a good idea

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2011, 02:31:32 AM
I would prefer that we just start killing the sociopaths running the big multinationals.  They wouldn't give .01%.  They're not gonna give anything.  You have to TAKE with these people.  It's the only thing they understand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 20, 2011, 02:39:59 AM
That's not very compassionate. It's clear those people have mental illnesses. We need to rehabilitate them first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2011, 02:57:07 AM
let's commission a study to diagnose the specific mental illness first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 20, 2011, 04:47:03 AM
LOL

(http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Average-tax-change-from-9-9-9-plan-10-18-2011-OPT.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fomalhaut on October 20, 2011, 04:49:25 AM
and who says we aren't a corporatocracy!  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2011, 09:36:30 AM
That graph is done in such an annoying way I almost like the $9.99 plan now.
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 20, 2011, 02:27:52 AM
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/after-igniting-wall-st-protests-magazine-proposes-one-clear-demand/#more-136203


Seems like a good idea
What is with all these "Robin Hood" plans lately? Even in the Disney version he's protesting taxes and "stealing" from the government to distribute the unjust taxation back to the people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 20, 2011, 10:05:01 AM
It is annoying, but I also think it's very effective in pissing off the people it was meant to piss off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 20, 2011, 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2011, 09:36:30 AM
That graph is done in such an annoying way I almost like the $9.99 plan now.

How would you have done it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2011, 11:13:55 AM
You can easily shrink the Y axis and it would still have the two red ones significantly larger, as the blue ones would also shrink and be far less visible. And nobody has to scroll for six years.

Not sure why the "Top 20%" one is blue either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 20, 2011, 11:16:39 AM
I only scrolled a couple of times.  Big monitor :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2011, 11:18:57 AM
You can still label the bars!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2011, 11:38:01 AM
I never claimed it was otherwise.

It was just an offhand comment, I got asked about it so I elaborated. (To expand on that I wouldn't have done raw dollar totals anyway.) I think good graphs fit on less than half of a page as they're generally useless anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fomalhaut on October 20, 2011, 11:46:34 AM
why so? it's not skewed or anything, it's sets of 10,000 each way. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2011, 12:37:55 PM
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2011/10/20/sot-afghan-clinton-cain.cnn

that ether, the shit that make your soul burn slow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2011, 01:34:31 PM
Cain is embarrassing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 20, 2011, 08:53:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2011, 11:13:55 AM
Not sure why the "Top 20%" one is blue either.

because the blue lines in the left are separated into quintiles, and the red is on the right is different as it specifically breaks out the upper 1 and 0.1%?

also, u mad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 21, 2011, 12:11:20 AM
Quote
Taking aim at minimum wage laws, union protections, and even local building codes, Herman Cain has put the finishing touches on the last missing piece of his signature “9-9-9” plan – an elaborate proposal to create “opportunity zones” in inner-city America that the GOP presidential candidate will unveil during a major campaign appearance in Detroit on Friday morning.

Cain hinted at the move during Tuesday night’s GOP debate in Las Vegas. He and his aides hope the details they provide about their plans to encourage growth in impoverished areas will deflect the surge of recent criticism branding “9-9-9” as unfair to the poor.

But details about the opportunity zone proposal, as obtained in advance by Fox News, will likely make “9-9-9” more, not less, controversial, particularly with organized labor.

To qualify for zone status under Cain’s plan, a given jurisdiction will have to enact policies the unions consider anathema – such as the elimination of the minimum wage, the provision of school vouchers, or the declaration of a zone as a “right-to-work” area.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/20/cain-adds-to-plan-angering-unions/?google_editors_picks=true#ixzz1bNzvyJnX


Quote
Opportunity Zones must reverse counter-productive incentives and bureaucratic micromanagement created by Democrats and Republicans alike,” the document states. “Access to contracts and capital is skewed towards big business….All building codes, regulations, restrictions, and requirements should be reviewed from the standpoint of whether they impede economic growth.”

 :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2011, 12:35:42 AM
 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2011, 12:48:07 AM
I think Jack Kemp was about the only politician who really believed those would work, bless his heart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2011, 01:04:00 AM
Herman Cain obviously went to the Sarah Palin Political Grifter's University.  As long as they're talking about you, you can get paid!  Exciting stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 21, 2011, 02:45:11 PM
Obama announces total Iraq troop withdrawal (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-announces-total-iraq-troop-withdrawal-165635034.html)

Its a rapid withdrawl too, all before next year.  Bout friggin time.

edit: didn't see PD's thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 21, 2011, 03:51:36 PM
Quote
“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women,“ Romney said in a statement. "The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq.”

-Mitt Romney, 10/21/11

this guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2011, 03:52:53 PM
I need to read more about the immunity issue. I'd imagine it had more to do with this withdrawal than most things, but I'm curious how it came about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 21, 2011, 04:01:20 PM
It is mostly an immunity issue.

Both sides have valid points and the political reality in both countries makes either side caving on immunity an impossibility.

Iraqis are tired of civilians being killed by military personnel and nothing happening.

Americans would have a shitfit if soldiers were put on trial for accidental civilian deaths (which despite what GAF says is unavoidable in war). 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 21, 2011, 04:06:53 PM
Also Mitt Romney is a fucking douchebag of epic proportions for that fucking quote.  No matter how much that cocksucker tries to spin this it's a win in the eyes of the average voter.  All they're going to read is "Obama says all troops in Iraq will be home in time for Christmas."  Pop some champagne, smoke a fucking cigar and grin like a motherfucker.  Eat it, Mitt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2011, 04:14:50 PM
but what about VICTORY!

I was pretty ambivalent towards Romney's semi-imminent presidency not long ago, but between his neocon turn and palling around with Robert Bork I'm getting scared
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
tldr version of Iraq to my knowledge:  Moqtada al-Sadr is making the Maliki govt nervous again and because of that immunity was off the table in negotiations, so we're outta there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2011, 08:59:34 PM
I really just don't know what good our continued presence in Iraq will do. I mean, I hate the idea of getting out while the country is still an absolute mess because of the sacrifice that's gone into this war, but...how many more years will it take to get things straight if we've basically made no discernible progress in the first ten years? It's time to go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2011, 05:18:32 PM
Seems Herman Cain's already getting Perry'd:

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/10/21/1028728/-Herman-Cains-problems-with-the-Right?via=blog_1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2011, 01:12:06 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-20124360/michele-bachmann-u.s-got-kicked-out-of-iraq/

Quote
Bachmann also argued Sunday that Iraq had "disrespected" the U.S. in outlining its conditions for continued U.S. presence there, and urged Mr. Obama to "return to the negotiating table" with the Iraqi government and demand full reimbursement for the $700 billion America has spent on the war over the last eight years.

"The problem is, we've put a lot of deposit into this situation with Iraq," Bachmann told CBS' Bob Schieffer. "To think that we are so disrespected and they have so little fear of the United States that there would be nothing that we would gain from this? That's why I've called on President Obama to return to the negotiating table.

"The Obama administration has said they've gotten everything they wanted. They got exactly nothing," Bachmann said. "I believe that Iraq should reimburse the United States fully for the amount of money that we have spent to liberate these people. They're not a poor country. They're a wealthy country. I think that they need to do that, because what we will be leaving behind is a nation that is very fragile and will be subject to dominance by Iran and their influence in the region. That's not good."

...

Bachmann objected to the Iraqi government's demands and said, if she were president, she would not comply with the Iraqis' demands on continued U.S. involvement there. But she also said it was Mr. Obama's foreign policy "failures" that had led to those demands in the first place.

"We could not allow our troops to be subject to that," Bachmann said. "But again, we are there as the nation that liberated these people. That's the thanks that the United States is getting after 4,400 lives were expended and over $800 billion? So on the way out, we're being kicked out of the country? I think this is absolutely outrageous what's happened."

Maybe Shah or Wrath could explain why Arabs are all such goddam ingrates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2011, 01:13:37 PM
#OccupyIraq
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2011, 01:21:42 PM
Quote from: Bachmann
"Of course. I would agree that the world is better off because all three of those actors are no longer with us, I absolutely agree with that. But I oppose the president putting us into war in Libya.

"Don't forget, the president has put us into two additional wars. One is Libya, and the recent one was at the request of Uganda," she said, referring to the president's recent decision to deploy 100 troops to Uganda to help combat the rebel group, the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)."

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
100 troops deployed

world war 3
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
100 troops? Why didn't we just send a strongly worded email?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2011, 08:54:13 AM
$800 billion on Iraq seam far to conservative for even her to say it with a straight face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on October 24, 2011, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: pat buchanan's new book
What the above points to is a strategy from which Republicans will recoil, a strategy to increase the GOP share of the white Christian vote and increase the turnout of that vote by specific appeals to social, cultural, and moral issues, and for equal justice for the emerging white minority. If the GOP is not the party of New Haven firefighter Frank Ricci and Cambridge cop James Crowley, it has no future. And although Howard Dean disparages the Republicans as the "white party," why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation?

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 24, 2011, 04:55:46 PM
Jesus.  So much stupid in that quote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2011, 05:04:25 PM
I prefer Buchanan to your average party hack (Stephen Moore, for example), because you know you're getting the real Pat Buchanan, not some poll-tested talking points.

Quote from: Pat Buchanan's new book, again
Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.

Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.

Yeah, that's the stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 24, 2011, 05:08:08 PM
 :lol :lol :lol

Holy shit.  I can't believe that's real.  Talk about out of touch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2011, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Buchanan
Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.

Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.

yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 24, 2011, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2011, 05:04:25 PM
I prefer Buchanan to your average party hack (Stephen Moore, for example), because you know you're getting the real Pat Buchanan, not some poll-tested talking points.

I've always sort of had a weird soft spot for him.

But by any rights with the shit he's said he's proof positive that if you're Republican and "in" with the Washington crowd, there's almost nothing you can say that'll get you off the talking head circuit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2011, 05:27:27 PM
Yea, I've always liked Buchanan in part because he's not concerned about hiding his agenda. Hell, he genuinely looks shocked when people take offense to his shit

but yea, that argument is the gem in the crown of White Privilege. Yes, let's go back to the days when race wasn't a problem. Ahh, the 50s and early 60s *smokes pipe*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2011, 05:36:49 PM
This sort of thing crops up all the time when people complain about the civil rights/feminist/GBLT movements.  "I wasn't aware of their problems" becomes "We didn't have those problems".

I'd love to see someone ask Buchanan whether he thinks black Americans his age remember things the same way.


Mamacint:  IIRC, Al Franken said he's really friendly in person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2011, 05:50:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2011, 05:36:49 PM
This sort of thing crops up all the time when people complain about the civil rights/feminist/GBLT movements.  "I wasn't aware of their problems" becomes "We didn't have those problems".

I'd love to see someone ask Buchanan whether he thinks black Americans his age remember things the same way.

I bet his answer would be something like "of course not, we're all different individuals with different opinions. That's what makes America so great"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2011, 09:05:31 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/republican_new_jersey_mayor_caught_up_in_a_rentboy.php?ref=fpb

If only male politicians listened to  Rick Ross (http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201109/rick-ross-interview-gq-october-2011)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2011, 10:13:36 PM
Pat Buchanon still can't believe the second coming hasn't happened yet. Or maybe it has and the shit he's been selling for the past 30 years wasn't good enough to get him in.  He's just bitter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 24, 2011, 11:27:26 PM
A good article IMO:

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/11/michael-lewis-201111#
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2011, 12:17:32 AM
oh boy

Twelve Pretty Racist Or Just Crazy Quotes From Pat Buchanan’s New Book
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/twelve_pretty_racist_or_just_crazy_quotes_from_pat_buchanans_new_book.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on October 25, 2011, 08:25:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2011, 12:17:32 AM
oh boy

Twelve Pretty Racist Or Just Crazy Quotes From Pat Buchanan’s New Book
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/twelve_pretty_racist_or_just_crazy_quotes_from_pat_buchanans_new_book.php?ref=fpa
:lol

I didn't expect his segregation nostalgia to be so blatant
Quote
Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in.
Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2011, 05:07:06 PM
Anyone have any thoughts about Obama's executive order strategy for mortgages? Kthug seems to think it may be worthwhile (not his own analysis, but from some guy he trusts):

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/24/hope-for-harp/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2011, 05:15:32 PM
Can't be worse than the administration's first stab at the housing crisis. Most economists seem to be saying it's a good idea and could help a bit, but doesn't go far enough. The WH spokesman has said this is just the beginning of the focus on housing though, so perhaps it'll be paired with something in the future (I hope this means they're looking at Gagnon's Fed idea)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2011, 09:38:31 PM
is this new?


Rick Perry unveils flat tax plan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15451162

This sounds terrible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2011, 02:24:56 AM
Hate to see Bill Maher lose a million bucks, but I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that Herman Cain may actually win the GOP nomination.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2011, 02:33:08 AM
I will take a 3 month ban bet with anyone that Cain will not win one primary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2011, 02:38:16 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 26, 2011, 02:33:39 AM
You can get banned from EB?

Mainly for posting straight porn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2011, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2011, 02:33:08 AM
I will take a 3 month ban bet with anyone that Cain will not win one primary.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 26, 2011, 12:37:19 PM
Are we america; or are we dancer?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 26, 2011, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 26, 2011, 02:33:39 AM
You can get banned from EB?

yep!

green shinobi
that one crippled racist guy (forgot his name)
abrader
G

spoiler (click to show/hide)
the worst i've gotten was three days in the hole for fucking with willco (it was worth it)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2011, 02:21:13 PM
Let's look at those, tho:

green shinobi- back posting under a different name
that one crippled racist guy (forgot his name)- seriously fucked in the head, no one misses him
abrader- borderline distinguished mentally-challenged
G- back posting under a different name

Other people have been banned too, including shake, cheebs etc.  And diablos.  Can't forget that cunt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2011, 02:31:15 PM
Quote from: Spencer on October 26, 2011, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2011, 02:33:08 AM
I will take a 3 month ban bet with anyone that Cain will not win one primary.

Accepted. Not because I think Cain will win any, but because a 3 month ban wouldn't hurt me nearly as much as you. Consider the bet on.

*shakes hand*

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 26, 2011, 02:53:49 PM
Cheebs is back too lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 26, 2011, 03:09:31 PM
SYNBIOS

it was on the tip of my tongue the whole time

spoiler (click to show/hide)
i actually kind of liked abrader :(
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2011, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2011, 02:33:08 AM
I will take a 3 month ban bet with anyone that Cain will not win one primary.
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm-22Q0PuM[/youtube]

I hate to say it, but despite the fact that that song is made by a tea bagger FOR tea baggers, I have to say it's pretty catchy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jdJTY.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2011, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jdJTY.gif)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 26, 2011, 07:17:33 PM
All I was thinking is 'that dude needs to brush his teeth.'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2011, 07:35:45 PM
yea  :-\

don't smoke, boys and girls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2011, 01:55:18 PM
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/plum-line/Images/robbiecartoon.jpg?uuid=3DQYxgCqEeGbQPQuXmWr5Q)
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 27, 2011, 04:07:49 PM
Cain's latest ad is his weirdest yet:

[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF9dr-FItR8[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 27, 2011, 05:55:21 PM
Clearly Herman Cain needs to put Tim & Eric in charge of his campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 28, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
Smart people- not always doin good things
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2011, 05:21:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on October 28, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
But wait:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-heritage-foundation-speech-6530510 (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-heritage-foundation-speech-6530510)

Quote
Paul Ryan Is Living in a Fantasy Land Older Than Ayn Rand

I got the second article from Nouriel Roubini's twitter.   ;)


Was just going to post that. Charlie Pierce has been killing it lately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2011, 06:30:41 PM
Paul Ryan IS smart. So is Larry Summers. And Newt Gingrich. Being smart doesn't mean you're right on much of anything.

I especially like how Ryan accuses Obama of dividing people when Ryan is a unapologetic Randite. Nearly all of his speeches separate people into classes: parasites, Americans, and American business people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2011, 06:44:23 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhyMplwY6HY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 28, 2011, 09:54:33 PM
Annihilated

Obama should take that ad, without the racist imagery
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2011, 12:28:15 PM

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-heritage-foundation-speech-6530510 (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-heritage-foundation-speech-6530510)[/quote]

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Ladies and gentlemen, we present to you today's worst paragraph in political rhetoric, courtesy of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Dickens),

LOL, nailed it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 30, 2011, 07:28:43 PM
This week's episode of Real Time was pretty good. Bill Maher had Grover Norquist on and did a pretty good job takin him to task.  Shame he didn't have more time with him. Then later he had Ron Christie on, and pretty much the whole panel tore him a new one when it came to Iraq. It was awesome. :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmijzaLX9rk

http://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/index.html#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/230-episode/video/230-october-28-overtime.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTEnNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oUc-PSYEJBSSmp-ol5qYyFzLnszECoXRiaUl+QU5ipW1JUWkqJyMjAG2-Fzg=
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2011, 07:59:59 PM
Ron Christie looks like David Brooks' black twin :o

But seriously, that was one of the worst displays of carrying water I've ever seen. Even funnier if this insistence that Iraq was not only justified, but effective...whereas in conservative land, Libya was justified but...ineffective? Because we led from behind by getting NATO, the UN, and Arab countries on board, providing the world's greatest air support, and eventually nailing Gaddafi's ground convoy from the air which allowed him to be captured. All for 1 billion dollars and no American lives lost.

Man, I wonder what HW thinks about all this ragging on coalition buildin', cost effective, American life preservin' winning war shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2011, 07:02:40 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/dXAjE.gif)

(http://gifsoup.com/view3/3104087/perry-syrup-o.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on October 31, 2011, 08:41:02 AM
Just came here to post that.  :lol

He has no idea how to answer questions. His response to 999 attacks was always just yelling NO YOU ARE WRONG with no explanation and now this.

How the hell is he managing his polling numbers still? It is insane.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2011, 07:59:59 PM
Man, I wonder what HW thinks about all this ragging on coalition buildin', cost effective, American life preservin' winning war shit.
Bob Woodward in one of those Bush books he wrote said HW wasn't really on board with the invasion of Iraq but kept his mouth pretty tightly shut about it since well it was his son and all. As far as I could tell HW was more in the Colin Powell camp, against it but too loyal to man up and do anything about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2011, 09:45:06 AM
Saw this over the weekend (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/what-the-costumes-reveal.html?_r=4&src=tp&smid=fb-share), pretty fucked up if true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 31, 2011, 10:20:59 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 31, 2011, 07:02:40 AM
(http://gifsoup.com/view3/3104087/perry-syrup-o.gif)
what did they give him in this one? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2011, 12:48:13 PM
The response to this is just another case of Cain being proven as not a real candidate. The first response from his camp was that they weren't aware of anything, Cain barely remembered any of this, etc. Now it's pure denial and Cain is saying he was falsely accused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqTxr8LvuzM

I wouldn't be surprised if Cain was telling the truth; settlements don't point to guilt all the time. And maybe conservatives will rally around him, defending him from this librul smear.

Or maybe Mitt Romney is the luckiest politician since Obama in 2003/4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 31, 2011, 12:49:58 PM
Buddy > Romney :(

Why cant conservatives want a decent candidate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2011, 01:25:04 PM
Cain's press speech live at the National Press Club
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Herman-Cain-Visits-Washington/10737425093-1/

"If 10% is good enough for God, 9% should be good enough for the federal government"  :lol

brilliant
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2011, 02:38:47 PM
 :lol That's good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2011, 04:32:13 PM
Watch out Dems, there's a new black sheriff in town!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2011, 05:20:45 PM
I've barely been following politics lately but this line is funniest thing I've seen in ages in reference to Cain.


Quote
Limbaugh pronounced himself deeply offended by the piece, saying that it trafficked in the "ugliest racial stereotypes"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2011, 05:20:45 PM
I've barely been following politics lately but this line is funniest thing I've seen in ages in reference to Cain.


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Limbaugh pronounced himself deeply offended by the piece, saying that it trafficked in the "ugliest racial stereotypes"

That's pretty standard coming from conservatives, some of whom seem to think the only racism in America either revolves around black people against white people, or white liberals against black conservatives.

Obviously there are white liberals who make pretty pathetic comments towards black conservatives, saying things they aren't entitled to say; I've defended Cain against charges of him being an "Uncle Tom" many times this year. At the end of the day so much of left v right boils down to your opinion on government's role in society and economic policy. Not race. And then there are social issues, many of which black people agree with conservatives on (abortion, gays, etc)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2011, 03:16:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJv-2qfDNc

Full thing:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TtsjT70eME
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2011, 02:31:44 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/ann_coulter_our_blacks_are_so_much_better_than_the.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 01, 2011, 03:02:56 PM
I am starting to wonder if this whole Cain thing instead of destroying him will actually end up helping him since it is making him a victim of the "librul media" and rather than conservatives attacking him they are attacking the media, their favorite enemy next to muslim socialist dicators from kenya.


Not that he'll win a single primary anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2011, 03:06:29 PM
Good to see you agree that Cain won't win a single primary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 01, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 01, 2011, 03:07:10 PM
I still say you guys are over estimating GOP intelligence. He still has a good chance of at least winning one.
I'd pay more attention to his poll numbers if he had an actual functioning campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
Yea, the man literally doesn't have a functioning campaign staff...anywhere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2011, 03:59:52 PM
He has to steal his tax plans from Sim City.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2011, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2011, 03:20:13 PM
Yea, the man literally doesn't have a functioning campaign staff...anywhere.

Do any of them? All I see are 7 people gallivanting around the country mostly spewing the same fox soundbites on their donors dime. They are just milking it for as long as they can.

Private jets? check
Lavish dinners? check
Expensive clothes? check
Offering solutions to today's problems?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2011, 09:33:38 PM
No, I mean like people working phones in primary states, campaign HQs people passing out fliers, etc. He has a few people in Iowa and that's about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 01, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
Just read the news on the California train. It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad and predictable. I'm having a good laugh at all the train fetishists in the GAF thread trying to downplay it.  It's the exact thing that Kasich warned about when he turned down the federal poison pill for the Ohio train and was widely derided for it.  At least the west coast train is something worth building.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 01, 2011, 10:18:41 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 01, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
train fetishists

Eh? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szilveszter_Matuska)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 01, 2011, 11:22:32 PM
Quote
Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry on Tuesday advised protesters in the Occupy movement to worry less about income inequality.

“You know, we have young people who are today occupying Wall Street, that there are some people out there that are making too much money,” the Texas governor said at an education forum in Des Moines, Iowa.“And if somebody were to ask me what the best advice that I could give them? It would be that money is probably the most highly overrated thing in the world.”

“It’s good to have some,” he admitted. “Because I’ve been without and I’ve had some, and it’s better to have some.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/01/rick-perry-on-income-inequality-money-is-highly-overrated/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2011, 11:24:21 PM
what the fuck does that even mean?  :lol

guy is drunk again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2011, 11:32:45 PM
Rich Guy: What's with you poor people anyway? Money's actually pretty overrated, to be honest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2011, 11:59:53 PM
Reading Rick Perry's wiki page:

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[Perry] was elected senior class social secretary, and was also elected as one of A&M's five yell leaders (a popular Texas A&M tradition analogous to male cheerleaders).[14] Perry graduated in 1972 with a Bachelor of Science degree in animal science with a 2.5 GPA.

:bow Future leader of the free world :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 12:31:43 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andy-levy-accuses-ann-coulter-of-playing-the-race-card-in-tense-red-eye-clip/
annihilated

She takes so much pleasure in digging her own grave.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2011, 02:38:20 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-economy-fix-americans-pick-reagan-over-roosevelt-164905667.html

Murrika.  :'(  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2011, 02:54:27 AM
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The poll also found that 68 percent of Americans think Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would make the best Democratic vice presidential candidate if Joe Biden doesn’t remain on the ticket next year.

Feels bad, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 02, 2011, 05:43:02 AM
I bet some really good money he won't dump Biden. Not a chance it is happening, polling or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on November 02, 2011, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 31, 2011, 09:45:06 AM
Saw this over the weekend (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/what-the-costumes-reveal.html?_r=4&src=tp&smid=fb-share), pretty fucked up if true.
Give a warning before linking to a NYT story.  Over the three browsers that I use, I can only read 60 free stories a month.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 05:21:11 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on November 02, 2011, 05:43:02 AM
I bet some really good money he won't dump Biden. Not a chance it is happening, polling or not.

I wouldn't vote if Obama dropped Biden based on political reasons. We'd all be better off if Obama had listened to Biden on Afghanistan imo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 05:49:36 PM
Mark Block just destroyed Cain's campaign, holy shit:

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Block mentioned almost in passing that a radio talk show receptionist in Iowa thought Cain's comments were "inappropriate." With no more context than that, audience members did not know whether Block was referring to the Politco story or a new allegation. Only member of the overflow audience shook his head during Block's answer and whispered, "Holy crap."
http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/cains-message-may-be-up-in-smo.php (http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/cains-message-may-be-up-in-smo.php)

Iowa radio host accuses Herman Cain of 'inappropriate' remarks
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"Like awkward/inappropriate things he's said to two females on my staff, that the fact the guy's wife is never around...that's almost always a warning flag to me," Deace wrote. "But I chose to leave that stuff out [of the opinion piece] and make it about his record and not the personal stuff."

Pressed about what exactly Cain said to the employees of his show, Deace responded by describing how he himself treats his staff.

"Many a man has been done in by the inability to control his urges,” Deace wrote. “I am no different and just as vulnerable as any other man, which is why I put safeguards around me and hold myself accountable to my wife and other men in my life. Especially since I have very talented employees that happen to be women. I go out of my way to treat them like my sisters. For example, I wouldn't tell them or any other woman I am not married to nor related to how pretty she is."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67478.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67478.html)

I've been following Steve Deace on twitter for awhile. He's very far right, a fundamentalist Christian...but I've posted on his site, listened to his show, and he's even responded to me on twitter; although mainly I've talked to him about college football, as he's a Michigan Wolverines fan. Fun guy, far right politics aside.

All that being said, he's been anti-Cain for some time (and fiercely anti-Romney). His comments, taken in context with this Perry pollster who is saying he knows what Cain did...
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/gop-consultant-i-saw-herman-cain-harass-women.php?ref=fpblg (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/gop-consultant-i-saw-herman-cain-harass-women.php?ref=fpblg)

...should make it very clear that Cain is being destroyed by the right, not the left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2011, 06:19:09 PM
Who does Deace like, then?  Perry?

 :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 06:35:43 PM
He hates Perry due to immigration. From what I've read/heard he likes Bachman and Santorum. Shit makes no sense. You're never going to find a candidate you agree with on 100% of shit. Perry was governor of a border state with Mexico, of course he had a moderate take on immigration. Same with George Bush - they couldn't afford to play politics, as they have to actually deal with the problem.

Perry is far right, handsome, was a "successful" governor in terms of jobs growth (bullshit, I know), has always been pro-life, and is a firm Christian. So what the fuck is the tea party doing by supporting one idiot after another who has no chance at beating Obama? Perry's numbers are shitty against Obama too, but he certainly has a better chance than Bachmann or Santorum jeez.

So instead they're going to fight until a formerly pro choice, pro gay rights northeast governor who passed the blueprint for Obamacare with Edward Kennedy's help wins the nom. This is hilarious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
Obama's got this shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 02, 2011, 08:41:31 PM
I heard that Herman Cain was singing in a press conference or some shit like that.

Perry, like Cain, are passing fancies who try their best to lick the collective tea party asshole.  However the tea party is a bunch of fickle shitwits and kissing their asses basically means that it will be Christmas for the Democrats next year in terms of embarrassing shit that they can use.  Eventually they will circle their wagons around Romney, who is the only candidate who is somewhat viable at this point.  Bachmann is essentially finished and I don't even know what the fuck Gingrich is doing anymore.  I think Herman Cain is trying to angle for some Fox News program or some shit because there is no way that he has a chance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 08:49:36 PM
Actually Gingrich's poll numbers have been improving for a couple months; he's currently in fourth in most polls. Cain is pretty much done once these women come forward, and at that point Gingrich will be right there ready to capitalize as the tea party flavor of the month.

Interestingly, Gingrich challenged Cain to a Lincoln-Douglass type 3 hour debate, and Cain accepted. It was supposed to happen in a week or so, but this sex news has changed things. So Gingrich was planning on annihilating Cain before Cain annihilated himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 02, 2011, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
Obama's got this shit
Against Romney? Eh. It's 50-50.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2011, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 08:49:36 PM
Interestingly, Gingrich challenged Cain to a Lincoln-Douglass type 3 hour debate

Which one's supposed to be representing the union in this match up?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2011, 10:09:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 06:35:43 PM
He hates Perry due to immigration. From what I've read/heard he likes Bachman and Santorum. Shit makes no sense. You're never going to find a candidate you agree with on 100% of shit. Perry was governor of a border state with Mexico, of course he had a moderate take on immigration. Same with George Bush - they couldn't afford to play politics, as they have to actually deal with the problem.

Perry is far right, handsome, was a "successful" governor in terms of jobs growth (bullshit, I know), has always been pro-life, and is a firm Christian. So what the fuck is the tea party doing by supporting one idiot after another who has no chance at beating Obama? Perry's numbers are shitty against Obama too, but he certainly has a better chance than Bachmann or Santorum jeez.

So instead they're going to fight until a formerly pro choice, pro gay rights northeast governor who passed the blueprint for Obamacare with Edward Kennedy's help wins the nom. This is hilarious

It's almost like the Teatards are accustomed to getting their way and don't want to concede on anything.  Charming people to have dictating the direction of a political party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
Or maybe they want Obama to win :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 03, 2011, 01:02:41 AM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/28/graphic-mapping-a-superpower-sized-military/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2011, 01:07:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 03, 2011, 01:02:41 AM
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/28/graphic-mapping-a-superpower-sized-military/

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 03, 2011, 04:21:18 PM
Quote from: The Business on November 03, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
Obama's promise to have all the soldiers in Iraq "home by Christmas" is unsurprisingly not coming true.  Most of them are just redeploying to Kuwait.  There's already 23,000 troops here, 4,000 more on the way from Iraq, and the DoD expects a presence of 40,000 in the region after the Iraq withdrawal. 

How do you feel about that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 03, 2011, 08:25:46 PM
nm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 04, 2011, 12:35:35 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qaTEV7Gy9J8/TrNbKAcbVaI/AAAAAAAAQJo/oZsB3hk5x_4/s1600/gdpemp.png


GDP is back to pre-recession levels, minus 6.6 million jobs.

So, it's either proof we have permanently lost millions of jobs (ie. the new normal) or GDP is a poor metric to measure the economy. Probably a bit of both.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 04, 2011, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 04, 2011, 12:35:35 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qaTEV7Gy9J8/TrNbKAcbVaI/AAAAAAAAQJo/oZsB3hk5x_4/s1600/gdpemp.png


GDP is back to pre-recession levels, minus 6.6 million jobs.

So, it's either proof we have permanently lost millions of jobs (ie. the new normal) or GDP is a poor metric to measure the economy. Probably a bit of both.

 

I agree with your assessment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 12:49:43 AM
Or maybe the housing crisis is so bad no one is buying shit, so businesses aren't hiring anyone thus creating a highly productive but smaller work force

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 04, 2011, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 12:49:43 AM
Or maybe the housing crisis is so bad no one is buying shit, so businesses aren't hiring anyone thus creating a highly productive but smaller work force

smh

That's what he meant by "new normal"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 12:57:08 AM
Well I guess it's the new normal if the administration keeps ignoring the housing crisis. Although Krugman liked the executive orders issued last week or so, relating to house policy/refinancing so who knows maybe we'll see improvement.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 04, 2011, 01:11:01 AM
I think TA was saying that if we look at this graph, we have to conclude that there's been a semipermanent structural change in the economy (where the previous level of production can be maintained with a higher unemployment level) or GDP is actually a crappy gauge of economic health.

I'd point out that GDP is still way below trend (where it would be if the upward slope had kept going), which means there should still be a lot of unused resources out there, including people without jobs.  Also, in the two most recent recessions job recovery lagged behind GDP recovery, which it hadn't done before.  So it's probably not the "new normal" in that 91% is now maximum employment in a growing economy, but it's gonna be a long slog back.

Brad DeLong posted about jobless recoveries on his blog during the early days of the crisis, but I haven't been keeping up with him enough to effectively steal his opinions and pass them on as my own.  Last I checked, though, he thought he had a good handle on why employment bounced back quickly after the other post-WW2 recessions, but no real answer as to why that had changed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2011, 01:11:54 AM
I'll never forget in the 2004 election when Dubya was talking to some women who said that she worked two jobs in order to make ends meet and he interrupted her with a proud, "Isn't that uniquely American?"  Yee haw, I love working multiple jobs to make ends meet!  Gimme a 3rd just for the fuck of it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 01:19:36 AM
Yea, interesting points. Can't wait for tomorrow's numbers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 04, 2011, 08:42:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2011, 01:19:36 AM
Yea, interesting points. Can't wait for tomorrow's numbers

Tomorrow's?

http://bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Quote
Nonfarm payroll employment continued to trend up in October (+80,000),
and the unemployment rate was little changed at 9.0 percent, the U.S.
Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Employment in the private
sector rose, with modest job growth continuing in professional and
businesses services, leisure and hospitality, health care, and mining.
Government employment continued to trend down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2011, 09:54:37 AM
TA, are you ready for... NEWTMENTUM??? (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/newt-gingrich-poll-numbers-6539895)

Yup, after Herman Cain's impending implosion it looks like it's finally time for the GOP's "idea man" to have his turn being the not-Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 04, 2011, 11:51:14 AM
Oh gawd pleeeease, Anytime Newt pokes his mellon up for more than a second and actually tries to be something other than a hit and run "ideas man" is HILARIOUS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2011, 01:25:50 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 04, 2011, 12:55:53 PM
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/04/iowa-poll-many-think-cains-9-9-9-plan-would-help-them/ (http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/04/iowa-poll-many-think-cains-9-9-9-plan-would-help-them/)

 :lol :( :lol

I saw this but was too depressed by it to post it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2011, 05:12:46 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 04, 2011, 09:54:37 AM
TA, are you ready for... NEWTMENTUM??? (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/newt-gingrich-poll-numbers-6539895)

Yup, after Herman Cain's impending implosion it looks like it's finally time for the GOP's "idea man" to have his turn being the not-Mitt Romney.

I'm still debating whether a battle against Newt would be as entertaining as it would be with Cain or a Bachmann.


edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSRONjYVvAQ

:piss librul racists :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2011, 12:45:42 AM
So there's this new law in Michigan, that's actually pretty heinous even by tea bagger standards. Charlie Pierce summarizes the law, and its significance quite well:

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I’d like to congratulate the state of Michigan for passing the worst bill in the history of the universe. Read it fast and it just looks like the average rancid river of swill that flows forth any time you have your state government over to people who have developed their political philosophies while waiting on hold for Sean or Rush in their cars everyday during evening drive. But, close up, floating in the middle of it, there’s one particular chunk of offal that makes the rest of the rushing current smell like roses and daffodils. It says this:


This section does not prohibit a statement of a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction of a school employee, school volunteer, pupil, or a pupil and parent or guardian.

Holy god.

I may be unversed in the subtleties of writing legislation, but this certainly seems to me to mean that, if a kid thinks another kid is a great big “faggoty-cigarillo-cigarillo,” and he goes out of his way to beat that kid to a pulp, he can come to the principal or the guidance department or the school board and say that, well, sorry if he offended anyone, but he learned this stuff in the Bible. Leviticus made him do it. And the principal, or the guidance staff, or the school board, or the beaten kid himself has to take this pious savagery seriously, instead of telling the kid that he’s expelled and Jesus can be his cellmate…

In a very real way, this one passage in one piece of really bad legislation is the entire raison d’etre of American “conservatism,” and of the political party that it has turned into its mindless vehicle over the past four decades. Every element of the “movement” is in there. There’s religious paranoia and cultural sociopathy combining to produce a completely irrational sense of victimhood. There’s the carefully chosen choice of targets, and the subsequent inflation of that target into the “real” threat from the “real” oppressors. And then, finally, there’s the framing of legislation to say one thing, but mean another, while maintaining your inherent right as one of society’s overdogs to do pretty much anything you want. You play the victim to reinforce your own long-established privilege.

Without this formula, Republican politics would have no platform. There would be no all-powerful ACORN, pulling strings behind the scenes even though it went broke a couple of years ago. There would be no George Soros, the palindromic plutocrat financing all the critters that dance in Bill O’Reilly’s head. Rick Santorum’s would not get to gussy up in Scripture his tremulous inbred revulsion over other men’s penises. Ron Paul would not hear the black helicopters. Michele Bachmann would not have a vehicle for her concern over AmeriCorps and the incipient Obama Youth. Newt Gingrich would not have any career at all, and Herman Cain would not be able to blame the bitches. And even Mitt Romney wouldn’t be able to go before audiences made up of people who hate him and tell those audience that he shares their fear of the awesome, nation-destroying economic deadweight that is the National Endowment for the Arts…

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/michigan-bullying-law-6542330
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2011, 01:09:14 AM
And now for something less rage inducing:

Quote from: Bill Maher
"If God really did call all three of them [Bachmann, Perry, Cain] to run for president, isn't he just f---ing with two of them?"

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2011, 01:13:07 AM
or all three  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2011, 03:02:53 AM
Can't wait for Gingrich to take Cain's spot so we can get more details on how big of an asshole he is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2011, 09:32:51 PM
It's probably been mentioned before, but seriously?

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"I believe that Barack Obama owns the Occupy Wall Street movement," Rudy Giuliani said at the Defending the American Dream Summit. "It would not have happened, it would not have happened but for his class warfare. And remember, as it gets worse and worse because it's going to get worse and worse, where it came from. Barack Obama. He praised it. He supported it. He agrees with it. He sympathizes with it. And as it gets worse and worse, I believe this will be the millstone around Barack Obama's neck that will take his presidency down."

"How about you occupy a job. How about working? Working. I know that's tough," Giuliani also said.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/04/giuliani_ows_is_millstone_around_obamas_neck_that_will_take_presidency_down.html

It's not the douchiness, but the cognitive dissonance that gets me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2011, 09:36:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq0QJOLbl2E
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2011, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 05, 2011, 09:32:51 PM
"How about you occupy a job. How about working? Working. I know that's tough," Giuliani also said.

Tough? Yeah, it is, considering that the jobs market is terrible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2011, 11:01:32 PM
YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS SHOULD JUST GO WORK AT MCDONALD'S

"BU-BU-BU-BU WE WANT ACTUAL JOBS!"

TOUGH TITTY, MOVE TO MALAYSIA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2011, 11:49:49 AM
If people really want a job, go up to Williston, North Dakota.  I heard nigs be making over $40,000 a year for driving a truck and over $80,000 for working the oil fields with people finding jobs within an hour or two.  If you can't find a job in the oil fields, you can work on building up the stressed infrastructure.

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/04/8620188-oil-boom-brings-growing-pains-to-north-dakota-town

There's so much indiscriminate cash getting thrown around that they have to import in strippers worldwide, who make $2,000-3,000 a night in tips.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/strippers-in-williston-no_n_1030834.html

Granted, I don't think there are $60,000+ a year jobs for creative consultants that effete hand flappers gravitate towards but there are some work opportunities if times are getting that difficult.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 06, 2011, 12:49:55 PM
Williston is crazy. Im constantly reviewing contracts we sign out there. We bought hundreds of acres and have build hundreds of houses for a man camp out there and there still isn't enough space. One bedroom apartments are going for 1500 or more. People tell me fast food jobs pay 14 or 15 bucks an hour. If you can't get a job you don't want one.  Its probably the biggest US project for my company.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2011, 04:18:26 PM
Sounds like the American version of Fort McMurray, Alberta.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2011, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 06, 2011, 11:49:49 AM
  I heard **** be making

what the fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 06, 2011, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 04, 2011, 05:44:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIqj3CrXwzE

Okay ignoring the Ron Paul pimping, what do you more politically minded people think of this 1% on every level no exceptions idea? It sounds like it makes sense, but obviously it's being presented by someone who supports it. I just haven't heard of this plan and was hoping to get some opinions of people who know better than I.

I like the idea of a money tax.  Money gradually depletes in value by a percentage in the low single digits, with the difference going into the public trust and filtering back into the economy through schools/healthcare etc.  Kind of a tamed inflation.  I thought it up as an answer to the less crazy concerns raised by libertarian-types and then I found out I wholeheartedly support it.  Then I found out that somebody already thought it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freigeld  Impossible to scam and effectively a kind of 'flat tax' that isn't totally morally degenerate.  I've yet to see a serious argument put against it (though I admit also that pretty much nobody is aware of it).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 06, 2011, 11:55:01 PM
So...do you guys think it'd be better for the libs if next year we had the White house but lost (further) control of congress, or if we lost the White House to Romney, but controlled at least one branch of congress?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2011, 11:58:51 PM
From a legislative perspective? Eh, I don't see a difference; we either get nothing with Obama in office/GOP house, or center-right legislative with Romney, which is what we've gotten from Obama for the most part. From a foreign policy/SC perspective though, major differences.

Romney would have to fuck up pretty bad to lose to Obama at this point
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2011, 12:55:35 AM
Honestly, it's a question of whether you want things to sort of limp along for a while or if you want America to go Full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow at the same time as they get a box of shotguns to play with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2011, 11:59:18 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 07, 2011, 07:44:21 AM
A "statement of sincere religious belief or moral conviction" is neither a string of personal invective nor a physical attack.  On the contrary, a polite / civil "I believe / I was taught x" bullies no one.

I think Pierce's example of a physical beating is basically dishonest/wrong, but verbal bullying?  Sincerity doesn't preclude hate.  There's no reason to think Hazel Bryan was just trolling Elizabeth Eckford for lulz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2011, 12:00:29 PM
Dunno Dubya, Romney is all buddy buddy with Robert Bork
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2011, 01:47:06 PM
I think this problem can be easily solved by making concerned religious citizens who use Leviticus to speak out against TEH GEY spend as much time speaking out about shellfish consumption, working on the Sabbath, planting different crops next to each other, wearing different kinds of fabric, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2011, 01:51:45 PM
Hey guyz, remember when our founding fathers left the religious persecution of yurope to come to a free land?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2011, 01:54:03 PM
oh shit, gloria allred is having a news conference w/ one of herman cain's accusers

white, middle aged republican

most importantly, WOULD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Allerd getting involves makes me more prone to believe Cain, tbh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
lol @ Drudge focusing on the accuser being from Chicago

:drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2011, 02:51:02 PM
CHICAGO POLITICS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2011, 02:56:49 PM
having watched the presser, she kinda sounds convincing. I think (some) conservatives will latch on to her admitting she met with Cain to beg him to get her job back, as if that  equals forward behavior that justifies sexual assault.

all that being said, I'd smash. milf pawg  :o :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2011, 03:52:55 PM
Pix?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2011, 05:14:08 PM
JD:  Like whenever civil rights comes up, I think you're making a bit of a mistake by not taking into account the political context.  Legislation is not written in a vacuum, according to abstract principles.

Why was this included?  Who lobbied to include this?  What type of "sincere religious belief or moral conviction" did they expect to be categorized as bullying?



Readers struggling with these questions can find the answers at the end of your textbook:
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http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/281153/media-and-bullying-thomas-sowell
http://engagefamilyminute.com/tag/anti-bullying/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/267466/re-federal-response-bullying-public-schools-roger-clegg
http://abcnews.go.com/US/school-anti-bullying-programs-push-gay-agenda-christian/story?id=11527833#.TrhW4ENKPH8
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2011, 01:48:25 PM
Oh the conservative tears and gnashing of teeth on lunch break over the court upholding 'Obamacare' today. Long lines to the emergency room and rationed care and every other fox talking point they could remember to parrot. I just smiled and said,'That's what they say on the TV....'.

So if a conservative leaning appeals court is going to uphold it, why wouldn't the SC? Enjoying the proverbial kick in the nuts I'm witnessing though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2011, 01:56:54 PM
Including a Reagan judge. oh the bitter tears

I can't wait for the exchanges to go into effect and people will be like "wait, that's all? I can keep my doctor? I'm not going to be killed? Cool shit"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2011, 02:06:51 PM
Yeah, it'll be just like when all the fearmongering over Medicare in the 60's turned out to be baseless, so people admitted they had been wrong, calmed down, and didn't freak out the next time someone proposed a major government healthcare initiative!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:rofl
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2011, 02:13:50 PM
so you're saying that in 40 years when President Tebow introduces his medicare fixes, old people will demand he keep his hands off their Obamacare?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 08, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
Does it really matter though? Seeing how if Romney wins the health care bill will be repealed anyway. The fate of it hinges on the outcome of next years election more than anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
I don't think Romney would repeal it. It'll be pretty hard to get rid of the law actually, without blowing up the deficit among other things
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2011, 02:28:11 PM
Yeah, sorry.  That law isn't going anywhere (unless ruled unconstitutional).  "Repeal" is a talking point for conservatives.  I don't believe for a second that any of the major contenders could or even would repeal it. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 08, 2011, 05:33:08 PM
It's not really about whether Romney wants to repeal it or not. You don't think a tea party led GOP controlled senate and house (they already passed it in the house once iirc) wouldn't pass a repeal bill? And what would Romney do, veto it? Of course he wouldn't veto that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2011, 09:10:23 PM
Well that about wraps it up for Herman Cain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2011, 09:37:45 PM
I thought the same thing, but now I'm not so sure. I mean, if your party can successfully deny evolution, climate change, the existence of racism, economic disparity, the success of the stimulus, etc. ... What's denying a few sex scandals but the sprinkles on the sundae? I expect Cain's 25% to double down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
I think his biggest problem with that is that his supporters aren't really "for" him so much as they're for "not Mitt Romney". 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2011, 09:52:34 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on November 08, 2011, 05:33:08 PM
It's not really about whether Romney wants to repeal it or not. You don't think a tea party led GOP controlled senate and house (they already passed it in the house once iirc) wouldn't pass a repeal bill? And what would Romney do, veto it? Of course he wouldn't veto that.

At the least, republicans are going to lose a lot of seats next year; they'll probably hold their majority due to gerrymandering but there won't be nearly enough republicans to repeal anything. Same with the senate. I honestly think most republicans know the bill is a relatively conservative piece of legislation, and while their base is pissed that won't convince them to completely repeal it.

They've had two years to offer up an alternative and haven't. I'd imagine republicans would instead repeal the mandate, add tort reform, allow people to buy insurance across state lines, and add some meaningless "Freedom To Keep Your Doctor" amendment that doesn't do anything, then move on.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/01/repealing_health-care_reform_w.html
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/cbo-gop-health-care-repeal-adds-230-billion-deficit

To make matters worse, without a replacement bill republicans would be kicking college kids off their parent's insurance and taking insurance from those with pre-existing conditions. I'm not saying republicans give a shit about any of that from an ideological perspective, but it would garner negative backlash. They need a replacement bill. Perhaps Romney's people are working on something, who knows. But I don't believe the bill will magically be fucked if Romney wins.

He has promised to let all states opt out of the plan. Many states wouldn't, even some red ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
Kasich and Issue 2 lose in Ohio.  Looks like the crazy anti-abortion issue in MI of all places might lose as well. 

edit: Maine also approved same day registration. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2011, 10:57:21 PM
Tea Partiers don't hate the ACA, they hate the "Obamacare" bogeyman.  So they'd care more about a symbolic gesture showing that Obama was finally banished from their healthcare than any set of actual policy changes.

My guess is that President Romney, with a GOP Congress, would shepherd through some pro-business tweaks (like optional Medicare vouchers) and a few token changes to stuff like the comparative effectiveness research Death Panels which would be spun as a full repeal and replacement.  You know, "replacing a burdensome government takeover of health care with common sense reforms that give Americans more choices, make care more affordable, and keep bureaucrats from telling you what care you can receive."

Basically I think he'd declare victory and go home.


And good on Ohio.  Let's please stop scapegoating teachers and cops for unemployment and budget shortfalls caused by the financial sector.  It's not a good look.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2011, 01:59:06 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but today sure seemed like a shitty day to be a Republican.

-Ostensible front-runner for the nomination had a press conference where he acted like an idiot denying multiple accusations of sexual harassment
-Ballot initiatives in multiple states failed for their side, including union busting in Ohio, voter suppression in Maine, and an anti-abortion measure in fucking Mississippi of all places.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 02:04:31 AM
-ACA upheld by conservative circuit court
-Arizonan state sen. who authored anti-immigration law failed to win re-election
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2011, 02:06:32 AM
Also, pretty much every county/municipality in GA that voted on allowing alcohol to be sold on Sundays approved it by a hefty margin, but that's more of an "uptight religious assholes vs. normal folks" issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 02:18:05 AM
oh yea forgot about the tea party school board fucktards in North Carolina who reversed school integration policies. They lost their majority on the school board.

thank you based god
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2011, 06:42:48 AM
Wasn't there some shit in Michigan too?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2011, 08:41:01 AM
All republitards were shown the door in my local elections. Are people finally starting to get it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2011, 09:56:22 AM
Quote from: Cheebo on November 08, 2011, 05:33:08 PM
It's not really about whether Romney wants to repeal it or not. You don't think a tea party led GOP controlled senate and house (they already passed it in the house once iirc) wouldn't pass a repeal bill? And what would Romney do, veto it? Of course he wouldn't veto that.
Besides Mandark's and PD's responses, when was that vote held?  January or February or something right?  What have they done since then?  They haven't pushed for shit.  It was a symbolic gesture to show teatards "we tried!!" and it allows them to continue their lip service.  Despite what a lot of these idiots say in public they know it makes too much financial sense for the country and the corporate interests at work that helped author the bill are too strong. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2011, 05:09:04 PM
So uh, rumors are flying around now about Greece, Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal leaving the Euro and France eventually being forced out.  Italy's yields are crazy.

So shit is about to hit the fan?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 09, 2011, 05:15:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N681g.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 05:21:56 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/09/european-debt-crisis-eurozone-breakup

uh oh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2011, 05:23:18 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 09, 2011, 05:15:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N681g.jpg)
:lol :lol

Sheeeeeit though.  Sounds like the next year at least is going to be a bumpy fucking ride.  Wanna take bets on how far stocks plunge tomorrow?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2011, 05:26:54 PM
Fuck

And I came here to chat about the tea party rep screaming in that woman's face at a q&a
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2011, 05:28:02 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2011, 05:26:54 PM
Fuck

And I came here to chat about the tea party rep screaming in that woman's face at a q&a
Joe Walsh is a funny motherfucker
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 09, 2011, 05:53:33 PM
there's another goddamn gop debate tonight?

how many of these things does the party need?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 09, 2011, 06:01:09 PM
Quote from: Eric P on November 09, 2011, 05:53:33 PM
there's another goddamn gop debate tonight?

how many of these things does the party need?

you know how sometimes you have a bug in your program, but you can't figure out where it is, so you keep commenting out different lines and running the program over and over to see if the results will be any better this time, and you have to do that like, 20 different times before you finally figure out where the problem is?

apparently finding a palatable Republican presidential candidate is kind of like that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: Eric P on November 09, 2011, 05:53:33 PM
there's another goddamn gop debate tonight?

how many of these things does the party need?

I'm not complaining. The more of these there are, the better imo. If only to see what the fuckheads in the audience will boo at next. My guess today is children with terminally ill cancer being helped by Obamacare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 07:04:52 PM
http://dailykos.com/story/2011/11/09/1034666/-Open-thread:-Herman-Cains-campaign-promises-with-Mike-Tyson-?detail=hide&via=blog_1

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
I can't wait for the debate; it's probably the most potentially exciting and important one since Perry first entered the race. With Cain on the ropes we'll see who is best positioned to take his spot tonight. Also I have to believe Romney will finally get targeted this time. He's gone unscathed in each debate, now it's time to get serious.

and watching Gingrich bully the moderators never gets old
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2011, 07:25:37 PM
If Bachmann knows what's good for her she'll go after Cain hardcore tonight, it's basically her last chance to be the "Not Mitt Romney" again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 09, 2011, 07:25:38 PM
http://www.gq.com/style/profiles/201111/most-stylish-presidential-candidates-republican-style#slide=1

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2011, 07:58:18 PM
So we're getting to the point where we start rounding up all the bankers and building guillotines, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2011, 08:16:15 PM
i'M SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING THE BANKS!  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 08:17:00 PM
lol @ every republican candidate's response to Italy being "LOL TOO BAD"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
Newt:  It's criminal the way the media fails to report the way the economy actually works!

Moderator:  How has the media failed to report how the economy works?

Newt:  ::deafening silence::

...For instance, they never point out to the Occupiers that if there were no corporations, there would be no park on which to occupy!   

:spin :spin :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 08:35:40 PM
that was such an epic straw man you gotta give him dap  :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
It's barely even a strawman!  It's just wordmush!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 08:45:06 PM
"the housing crisis is holding the economy down, how would you address the housing crisis?"
"you address the housing crisis by fixing the economy!"

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 08:47:40 PM
Quote
Cain is asked about the regressive nature of his 9-9-9 tax plan. Naturally, he ignores it and defends the fairness of his tax plan by giving a dictionary definition of "fair". Yes, that will do it.

Quote
Asked what's to stop his 9-9-9 tax plan turning into 19-19-19, Cain delivers a magnificent non-sequitur:

"Tax codes don't raise taxes. Politicians do."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2011, 08:51:08 PM
It's almost like the party that wants to eliminate the Department of Education is full of a bunch of fucking morons or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
Welp, looks like we got our first noteworthy applause line for the night:

Quote
Back from break. Housing is the topic of this segment. Some in the crowd applaud Bartiromo's mention of Romney's proposal to let the foreclosure crisis play out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 09:00:04 PM
"Princess Nancy"? jesus christ, Cain  :lol

this female moderator is getting trolled so hard by Gingrich. She's pissed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2011, 09:02:30 PM
Cain is completely tone deaf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 09:00:04 PM
"Princess Nancy"?

What? That's a sign of RESPECT.  :maf


edit:

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Newt Gingrich attacks CNBC for only giving candidates 30 seconds to answer a question about health care. Maria Bartiromo says, okay, take all the time you need to answer the question. Gingrich says he won't do it, but she pushed him. He says, okay, and gives an answer of about 30 seconds. He could have saved everybody a lot of time by just answering the question in the first place.

This fucking guy. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2011, 09:08:25 PM
Why does Romney look like someone threw a water balloon at him?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2011, 09:17:27 PM
holy fuuuuuuuucckkkkkkkkk this is painful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 09:18:01 PM
holy shit, Rick Perry really is drunk  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 09, 2011, 09:18:33 PM
What did Perry say?  I must know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2011, 09:21:53 PM
He couldn't name the specific government program his own plan was proposing to shutdown.  He struggles with it for a while.  Than the moderator suggests the EPA or something, and Perry says yes.  Than the moderator asks "is it really the EPA...?" and Perry admits that it's not.  Than he struggles to name it again for a while.  Than he finally admits defeat and says he doesn't know.  It felt like it went on FOREVER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2011, 09:22:40 PM
and then he ended things by saying "oops"

this fucking guy  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 09, 2011, 09:23:50 PM
And to think my dad said he liked Perry like a month ago  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2011, 09:31:44 PM
Perry updates us 10 minutes later:  "It was the energy program I was reachin ferr!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on November 09, 2011, 09:37:56 PM
Rick Perry.  Texas Toast?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
Here's the clip in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYaRM9_eQW4

He actually wasn't doing that bad (judging by the audience reactions) until the very end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
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OK then, Herman Cain turns up on CNBC for the post-match analysis – and is asked about his nasty "Princess Nancy" reference to Nancy Pelosi. Cain has the good sense to say: "That was a statement I probably should not have made."

Well, then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2011, 11:26:02 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
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OK then, Herman Cain turns up on CNBC for the post-match analysis – and is asked about his nasty "Princess Nancy" reference to Nancy Pelosi. Cain has the good sense to say: "That was a statement I probably should not have made."

Well, then.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2011, 02:24:02 AM
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Ultimately, Rick Perry is going to be remembered as the man too stupid to win this Republican nomination. That is a remarkable feat.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/11/rick-perry-commits-suicide-on-stage-at-debate.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nymag/intel+%28Daily+Intelligencer+-+New+York+Magazine%29
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2011, 06:20:25 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 09, 2011, 09:38:38 PM
Here's the clip in question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYaRM9_eQW4

He actually wasn't doing that bad (judging by the audience reactions) until the very end.

This actually makes me want to believe in the afterlife and that somewhere, somehow Molly Ivins is out there laughing her ass off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 10, 2011, 07:32:24 AM
Why do none of them really ever attack Romney on his fatal flaw of having no core and switching sides on every issue depending on where he is running and for what office?

I mean in the debate Romney was asked about it and his answer was basically "lolz ask my family I am a pretty consistent guy!" and the rest of the field basically nodded their heads and accepted his answer. I can't figure that part of this race out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 10, 2011, 07:49:50 AM
Because they all know they have no chance, they are there to sell books not ruin his general election run
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2011, 07:53:34 AM
I got Cain's newest slogan:

Herman Cain 2012: Bitches Be Trippin'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2011, 10:05:43 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 10, 2011, 07:49:50 AM
Because they all know they have no chance, they are there to sell books not ruin his general election run

Pretty much this.  Especially for Newt and Cain, Newt's entire run is predicated on continuing to be a "Conservative Intellectual" or whatever and maintain his place in the Wingnut Welfare bread line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2011, 12:38:21 PM
SANTORUM TIME
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2011, 12:43:42 PM
This is all just setting the stage for President Jindal in 2016.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
Newt never had a chance in hell. Cain never had a chance in hell. Perry is too stupid even for GOP standards to have a chance in hell. Especially still this close to Bush.

Romney was the only dude who has a chance and the party diehards can't stand him. Hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 10, 2011, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2011, 12:38:21 PM
SANTORUM TIME

Expect to see "is it too late for Christie to enter the race?" articles through next July
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2011, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2011, 12:38:21 PM
SANTORUM TIME

he sounds sincere, gonna google him and learn more about his policies

nooo grandma  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2011, 01:15:16 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/lists/e0cb0351f6/presidential-candidates-explained-through-dungeons-and-dragons-character-sheets

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
huntsman's not totally stupid.  thus, no one in the party is giving him any attention
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2011, 05:23:18 PM
Get ready for another Cain bump in the polls:

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"How do you beat Obama – beat him with a Cain," Cain said to the friendly group of supporters.

As Cain was whisked out of the building through a back kitchen, a reporter asked what he meant by that joke.

"Herman Cain – C-A-I-N," Cain responded spelling out the letters of his last name. "Do I have to connect all the dots for you?"

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-cain-michigan-20111110,0,2557106.story
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 10, 2011, 09:31:21 PM
I'm sure Cain is doing this just to get a multimillion dollar book deal or host a Fox News show.  Once the wagons eventually circle around Romney, someone will give Cain a lucrative offer to leave the campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
Gingrich is actually rising in the polls. Wtf?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 01:33:55 AM
Also, was thinking about the whole cognitive dissonance thing among conservatives, and decided to compile a list. Here's what I have so far:

-Obama's both a communist and fascist
-Obama's both as power hungry and ruthless as Hitler and also as weak,  and capitulating as Nevelle Chamberlain
-a simultaneous trifecta of radical atheist/muslin/christian
-Hates the rich while also being the one who's REALLY secretly best friends with everyone on Wall Street and always hanging out at Martha's Vinyard (i.e. both socialist and crony capitalist)


Looking for more suggestions I may have missed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2011, 01:37:48 AM
-they're the party of Jebus but are all about rich people getting even more rich
-hate big, obtrusive govt. unless it's in your bedroom, or tapping your phone, or otherwise ignoring the 4th amendment

Really, there's no shortage of stuff on this subject. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 12, 2011, 11:54:28 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/atlas-shrugged-producers-replace-embarrassing-dvd-covers-that-say-movie-is-about-self-sacrifice.php?ref=fpb (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/atlas-shrugged-producers-replace-embarrassing-dvd-covers-that-say-movie-is-about-self-sacrifice.php?ref=fpb)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2011, 01:33:00 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 12, 2011, 06:43:38 PM
They're printing 100,000 copies of that shit?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2011, 08:16:56 PM
lol Santorum is such an angry dude.

I agree with his one point though, no idea why they don't have them all answer the same questions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2011, 08:30:49 PM
WORLD WIDE NUCLEAR WAR AGAINST ISRAEL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 08:31:48 PM
Bachmann's not the craziest one on stage at the moment. WTF?????
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 08:42:39 PM
Cain just said he supports water boarding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 12, 2011, 08:44:44 PM
Wait is there another fucking debate tonight?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 08:46:06 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2011, 08:46:15 PM
"ACLU runs the CIA right now"

:violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2011, 09:11:45 PM
There's like a gajillion of these things scheduled.  Apparently they won't be happy until Obama is guaranteed reelection against whichever wild eyed lunatic wins the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2011, 09:15:07 PM
This is the tenth one so far, there's one more on the 22nd, then four in December, then six in January, then one in February and two in March. And those are just the ones scheduled currently.

For comparison in 2008:
Democrats had 26 total debates, about 13 by this point. Six of the total were just Clinton and Obama, with three more with just Edwards added.
Republicans had 21 total debates, 12 by this point. None after February 2nd. McCain and Romney's last one was Jan 30.

In 2004, the Democrats had 16 total debates, 7 by this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 12, 2011, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2011, 09:15:07 PM
This is the tenth one so far, there's one more on the 22nd, then four in December, then six in January, then one in February and two in March. And those are just the ones scheduled currently.

That's got to be a bunch more than the Democratic debates last go around, right?

I remember the Democrats have a bunch of debates then, but I don't think it was nearly this many.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2011, 09:21:05 PM
Democrats had 14 debates by this time in 08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_debates,_2008#April_26.2C_2007_.E2.80.93_Orangeburg.2C_South_Carolina.2C_South_Carolina_State_University
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 09:23:48 PM
Bachmann arguing against the socialist welfare state just pointed to China as the country whose model the U.S. should be following.

 :spin :spin :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 09:30:03 PM
yep, these moderators were quite possibly the most useless ones we've had so far. and that's saying something since they had to compete with Fox, Jim Cramer, Rick Santelli, and Wolf Blitzer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2011, 09:36:28 PM
Nice rebound from Perry. His answers were bad, but then again most of everyone's were. But he did a good job of not shitting the bed

Huntsman and Paul were the only sane people on that stage tonight. At times Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, and even Bachman made good points, but only Huntsman and Paul remained steady without ridiculous pandering.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2011, 09:39:36 PM
Well, minus Huntsmann giving a massive blowjob to Paul Ryan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2011, 09:44:57 PM
well yea  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2011, 11:58:08 PM
Pretty much most of the country had decided to vote for a Democrat in '08, so it made sense to have a lot of debates so that America could figure out which godless socialist it wanted to elect.  I get a vibe of "we really want to vote for someone other than Obama, but these fuckers are distinguished mentally-challenged" from these GOP debates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 13, 2011, 12:09:41 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57323686-503544/romney-gingrich-at-gop-debate-wed-go-to-war-to-keep-iran-from-getting-nuclear-weapons/

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Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich said at the Republican presidential debate here Saturday night that they would be willing to go to war to keep Iran from attaining nuclear weapons if all other strategies failed.


Romney said that if "crippling sanctions" and other strategies fail, military action would be on the table because it is "unacceptable" for Iran to become a nuclear power.

Gingrich agreed, saying that if "maximum covert operations" and other strategies failed there would be no other choice. First, though, the United States consider "taking out their scientists," and "breaking up their systems, all of it covertly, all of it deniable," Gingrich said.

I think we have different ideas of what "deniable" means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2011, 12:47:05 AM
Actually he seemed to say the US was already doing that, given the disappearance of Iranian and Russian scientists recently, and that these covert, super duper secret actions should continue. Which strikes me as straight snitching (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWH3K9gzH6c&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL2D0531B1FEFDEBA1) as Mr. Carter would say
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 13, 2011, 01:50:32 AM
Wasn't there some computer worm or something in 2009 that hit the internets that turned out to be designed to fuck up Iran's nuclear program?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Pringo on November 13, 2011, 02:06:19 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 13, 2011, 01:50:32 AM
Wasn't there some computer worm or something in 2009 that hit the internets that turned out to be designed to fuck up Iran's nuclear program?

Yeah, but 2010 not 2009. The history of it is pretty interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 13, 2011, 02:06:21 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 13, 2011, 01:50:32 AM
Wasn't there some computer worm or something in 2009 that hit the internets that turned out to be designed to fuck up Iran's nuclear program?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet)

Creepily specific. And designed to only slightly fuck up their equipment so it'd remain undetected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 13, 2011, 11:03:19 PM
I got heckled by the Occupy Seattle people yesterday because I was wearing a tie. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 14, 2011, 09:33:40 AM
Huh, who would have guessed Frank Miller's a tea bagger:

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ANARCHY
posted 11.7.2011
Everybody’s been too damn polite about this nonsense:
 
The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.
 
“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached - is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.
 
This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.
 
Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.
 
Maybe, between bouts of self-pity and all the other tasty tidbits of narcissism you’ve been served up in your sheltered, comfy little worlds, you’ve heard terms like al-Qaeda and Islamicism.
 
And this enemy of mine — not of yours, apparently - must be getting a dark chuckle, if not an outright horselaugh - out of your vain, childish, self-destructive spectacle.
 
In the name of decency, go home to your parents, you losers. Go back to your mommas’ basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft.
 
Or better yet, enlist for the real thing. Maybe our military could whip some of you into shape.
 
They might not let you babies keep your iPhones, though. Try to soldier on.
 
Schmucks.
 
FM

Thankfully I was never a big a fan of Sin City as most other people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 14, 2011, 09:42:37 AM
9/11 derangement syndrome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 14, 2011, 09:43:55 AM
yea he's become unbearably crotchety since 9/11.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2011, 02:23:37 PM
I warned you guys.... COME ON FEEL THE NEWTMENTUM! (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/new-national-polls-show-newt-coming-on-strong-in-gop-race-yes-really.php?ref=fpa_beta)

Where's TA?  This is his moment to shine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
9/11 derangement is soo weird. there musta been some serious resentment/narcissism boiling up in him (and the other miller, dennis) and the rest of the big deranged set, and this was the first good chance they got to stop seeking approbation from the libruls in their personal circles and to start publically foaming at the mouth sans real political consequence. otherwise, the idea that people could go this batshit from FEAR of something as removed from their immediate geographical circumstance as islamic extremism is, well, WUT. well, i'm sure the narcissism exacerbates the idea that THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO HATES YOU AND WANTS TO GET YOU part of their dingdongery.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 02:37:13 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2011, 02:23:37 PM
I warned you guys.... COME ON FEEL THE NEWTMENTUM! (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/new-national-polls-show-newt-coming-on-strong-in-gop-race-yes-really.php?ref=fpa_beta)

Where's TA?  This is his moment to shine.

yesssssss
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 14, 2011, 03:16:20 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2011, 02:23:37 PM
I warned you guys.... COME ON FEEL THE NEWTMENTUM! (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/new-national-polls-show-newt-coming-on-strong-in-gop-race-yes-really.php?ref=fpa_beta)

Where's TA?  This is his moment to shine.

:hump (http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20153930ccc8a970b-550wi) :hump
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQTp07KS_k
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2011, 03:49:24 PM
Remember, to Republicans "gotcha journalism" = asking what papers and magazines you read.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 04:00:19 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/191280/ppp_novemberGOPpoll.png)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/14/1036348/-Rise-of-The-Not-Romneys:-PPP-survey-shows-Newt-Gingrich-and-Herman-Cain-leading-Mitt-Romney?via=blog_1

Cain is dropping. Gingrich has his own skeletons that the media will obsess over, but I don't expect Cain to get another surge in support.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 14, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
God doesn't love me enough to make Newt the candidate, sorry guys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 14, 2011, 04:30:32 PM
Republicans really, really do not want to be stuck with Romney...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2011, 05:28:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQTp07KS_k
:bow

gaybo journalism gotchamagoo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 14, 2011, 06:02:15 PM
More gotcha journalism from the librul media, for Herman Cain this time:

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/11/14/1036421/-Watch-Herman-Cain-flail-on-Libya-in-front-of-the-Milwaukee-Journal-Sentinels-editorial-board?via=blog_1



Re: Newtmentum.

You know, as much as I would appreciate the increased comedy value, the way things are right now, it's far too risky to have someone like Newt who possesses the ability to trick people (including the vewy sewious people in the media) into thinking that he would be a credible president simply cause he speaks in complete sentences.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 06:50:16 PM
I'd much rather see Newt debate Obama than Romney,
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2011, 06:52:17 PM
Newt will never be Prez, mostly because he's got the "unlikable dick" thing working against him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 06:54:04 PM
yea his unfavorable numbers are laughable. Especially now that he's in the spotlight and people go "hey, isn't that the guy who impeached Clinton while he was fucking someone on the side too? lawl"

Still I'd love to see him try to bully Obama at debates
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 14, 2011, 07:08:22 PM
Not just any debates either:  three 17 hour Lincoln-Douglas style debates, no moderator, with Joe the plumber as lay judge, and with 1 journalist of the winners choosing thrown in to a lion pit at the debates end, set in the thunder dome, which will be built adjacent to the Reagan library and have I filled up my time yet I don't know how to answer this question   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 07:17:27 PM
I can just imagine Newt droning on, Obama smiling, and Newt saying "it's not funny, Mr. President. It's not funny at all."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 08:25:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_nDFKAmCo

Hermain Cain, serious candidate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 14, 2011, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 08:25:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_nDFKAmCo

Hermain Cain, serious candidate

Oblivion, previous page.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
That clip is sooooooo painful.

Cain is like the black Michael Scott.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 14, 2011, 09:46:54 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2011, 09:40:38 PM

Cain is like the black Michael Scott.

Holy shit, it's true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2011, 09:48:39 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
Cain is like the black Michael Scott.

Isn't this reverse racism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 14, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
I've decided that Michael Steele still holds the title of black Michael Scott while Herman Cain is actually more like the black David Brent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 14, 2011, 09:58:54 PM
Or the black Kevin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2011, 10:01:12 PM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on November 14, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
I've decided that Michael Steele still holds the title of black Michael Scott while Herman Cain is actually more like the black David Brent.

Oooh, that's good.  I'm stealing that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 14, 2011, 10:13:52 PM
Quote
@AndrewNBCNews
When I asked Cain if today's Libya gaffe builds on idea he doesn't have in depth knowledge of foreign policy, he simply said, "999"

Later:

@AndrewNBCNews
To clarify: My previous tweet was NOT a joke.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
Quote
From unemployment payments to subsidies and tax breaks on luxury items like vacation homes and yachts, Americans earning more than $1 million collect more than $30 billion in government largesse each year, according to the report assembled by Sen. Tom Coburn, a Republican from Oklahoma, who is so often at odds with members of both parties that colleagues call him “Dr. No.” The Internal Revenue Service provided the data showing how much money was going to the much-referenced top 1 percent.


Neo-Maverick!


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/13/coburn-report-welfare-for-millionaires.html

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2011, 12:05:42 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2011, 11:57:41 PM
Quote
From unemployment payments to subsidies and tax breaks on luxury items like vacation homes and yachts, Americans earning more than $1 million collect more than $30 billion in government largesse each year, according to the report assembled by Sen. Tom Coburn, a Republican from Oklahoma, who is so often at odds with members of both parties that colleagues call him “Dr. No.” The Internal Revenue Service provided the data showing how much money was going to the much-referenced top 1 percent.


Neo-Maverick!


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/11/13/coburn-report-welfare-for-millionaires.html
nice

On a side note, I guess I'm the only person who first heard the word "largesse" during the pilot of Arrested Development, and initially thought Howard was saying "large ass" huh?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2011, 09:04:22 AM
When you are needy, it's welfare.

When you are wealthy, it's call largesse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 15, 2011, 09:47:24 AM
This is bullshit
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-scalia-thomas-20111114,0,7978224.story
Quote
The day the Supreme Court gathered behind closed doors to consider the politically divisive question of whether it would hear a challenge to President Obama’s healthcare law, two of its justices, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, were feted at a dinner sponsored by the law firm that will argue the case before the high court.

And in keeping the tradition of projection:
Quote
Moreover, conservatives argue that it’s Justice Elena Kagan who has an ethical issue, not Scalia and Thomas. Kagan served as solicitor general in the Obama administration when the first legal challenges to the law were brought at the trial court level. Her critics have pushed for Kagan to recuse herself from hearing the case, saying that she was too invested in defending the law then to be impartial now. Kagan has given no indication she will do so.

Legally, it doesn't violate ethic rules. I wonder who makes the rules?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2011, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2011, 12:05:42 AM
On a side note, I guess I'm the only person who first heard the word "largesse" during the pilot of Arrested Development, and initially thought Howard was saying "large ass" huh?

Of course that's what you thought he said, PD, you're black.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2011, 11:12:03 AM
Quote
As Paul mentioned, as expected the Supreme Court will be hearing the case. Perhaps the most interesting thing is that the Court will be having a longer-than-usual argument about the severability issue alone. I think this should make clear that there is a very real chance that the Supreme Court will strike down at least part of the bill, and also that the possibility of striking down the whole bill is in play.

The stakes of this issue are huge — I believe you would have to go back to the New Deal to find a central part of the domestic agenda of a new President struck down so quickly. More thoughts on this tomorrow.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2011/11/the-court-and-the-aca

So yea, because there is no severability clause in the ACA, the SC strike down the entire law. good job dems
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 15, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45297659#45297659

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 15, 2011, 08:49:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0llGrvsf9pA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2011, 11:04:56 PM
Newt is peaking at the right time to allow Santorum to be the next anti-Romney in time for Iowa right?

Right?

 :-\
Title: Gary Johnson doesn't even count.
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2011, 12:26:17 AM
Santorum, Huntsman, and RON PAUL!!!! seem to be the only candidates who haven't gotten one of these bubbles in the national polls.  Considering the likes of Perry, Bachmann, Cain, and f'n Donald Trump have all managed to do that much, I'm not sure what to conclude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 12:31:45 AM
Hunstman doesn't appeal to the kind of people who are wandering from candidate to candidate like patients on the dementia floor at an old folks home looking for a relative to get that bump.  Ron Paul is Ron Paul and will get the people who will support Ron Paul, all 10,000 of them or so.  Santorum has a real chance imo to get some serious action, especially if there's some sort of culture war issue that comes up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 16, 2011, 12:34:50 AM
i liked huntsman and i'm going to vote paul.

<- maverick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
That's what I was thinking is that Santorum is "right" on all the issues to get the listless anti-Romney bloc. Super strength social conservative who wants to cut taxes and bomb the brown people. Plus he's angry! And he's not Romney. Doesn't want us all to die at the hands of secular Muslims like Ron Paul, doesn't work with the enemy like Newt and RINO Huntsman, won't have time to flame out under pressure like Perry and Cain.

Nice, safe, anti-Romney pick. Sorta like Huckabee's late surge when everyone else fell apart and they didn't want McCain (RINO) or Romney.

I think Huntsman is a non-starter despite the media's strange desire for him to be over Johnson and Roemer (also successful Governor's and when they are listed get 1% in the polls) because he's perceived as Romney-lite at best. Mormon Governor who also passed SOCIALIST health care, but unlike Romney, he worked for that Kenyan Marxist in the White House. Clearly an Obama plant. A literal Mandarin Candidate!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 12:49:12 AM
Huckabee had an early surge.  Didn't he win Iowa?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2011, 12:49:58 AM
Santorum is SO angry on stage. like "I brought my dead baby fetus home to meet my family and THIS is the thanks I get? Fuck you people"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2011, 12:51:29 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 16, 2011, 12:49:12 AM
Huckabee had an early surge.  Didn't he win Iowa?
I mean in terms of the year build up to Iowa, he was almost non-existent in the polls until Rudy fell apart, Thompson lost his lead, etc. Then Huckabee shot up in the Iowa and national polls in mid-November and December.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 12:54:25 AM
True, true.

And yeah, Santorum has pretty much everything he needs to play big w/ the old, scared & honky crowd:

-hasn't ever really taken a non-orthodox GOP/movement conservative stance on anything to my knowledge
-hates the gays
-hates the non-honky Americans (people who do the lawns and clean and such)
-hates furr'ners

He just needs to figure out how to get people at FOX to tell people they should be excited about him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 02:26:27 AM
I used to think that Santorum couldn't gain any leads because even if you agree with him, he comes off an an immensely unlikable dick. But then I realized 1) that hasn't stopped Newt somehow and 2) since when did tea baggers care see being an outright asshole as a negative?



On an unrelated note, here's a really interesting article from Rolling Stone:

How the GOP became the party of the rich. (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109?page=1)

It has a few tidbits in there about Bush that I'm sure a bunch of people will find surprising.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
The comments section in that RS article has some real gems. People defending their constitutional right to be stolen from.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2011, 01:30:45 PM
Probably only amusing to me and like 3 other people, none of whom will read this thread but whatever:  http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2011/11/15/stab-at-relevance-part-4-stabba-labba-ding-dong/

Political mtg cards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
Those were very well done.
:rofl Pizzawalk
(http://mightygodking.com/images/mtg4/citizensunited.jpg)
fuuuuuuuu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 16, 2011, 05:15:54 PM
http://jezebel.com/5859593/gabrielle-giffords-incredible-tv-interview (http://jezebel.com/5859593/gabrielle-giffords-incredible-tv-interview)

 :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 16, 2011, 06:21:45 PM
If Obama made her his VP he would win easily
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on November 16, 2011, 06:26:15 PM
(http://mightygodking.com/images/mtg4/notmitt.jpg)

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
Quote
Newt Gingrich is the strongest Republican candidate when matched head to head against Democratic President Barack Obama, according to a McClatchy-Marist Poll released Tuesday.

The former speaker of the House of Representatives is neck and neck with the incumbent president, back just 2 percentage points among registered voters. Obama leads 47 percent to 45 percent.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is next closest, trailing Obama by 4 percentage points. In that matchup, Obama leads 48 percent to 44 percent.

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is the third best bet for the Republicans right now, 8 points back from Obama. No other Republican is within single digits of Obama. The survey has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Told you guys, with a shitty economy, people will settle for any Republican that can speak in complete sentences.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2011, 07:59:54 PM
The View has competition!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcCvvJWyx4c
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 08:11:25 PM
I'm still partially convinced that Victoria Jackson is engaged in an extremely ambitious troll of the republican party.  Her comedic timing is just a little too on the nose.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2011, 08:13:51 PM
I kinda think word would have been leaked by now. But yea, either she's a master troll taping what will be the greatest documentary ever, OR she's just insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
Never forget:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003260027
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 16, 2011, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
Quote
Newt Gingrich is the strongest Republican candidate when matched head to head against Democratic President Barack Obama, according to a McClatchy-Marist Poll released Tuesday.

The former speaker of the House of Representatives is neck and neck with the incumbent president, back just 2 percentage points among registered voters. Obama leads 47 percent to 45 percent.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is next closest, trailing Obama by 4 percentage points. In that matchup, Obama leads 48 percent to 44 percent.

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is the third best bet for the Republicans right now, 8 points back from Obama. No other Republican is within single digits of Obama. The survey has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Told you guys, with a shitty economy, people will settle for any Republican that can speak in complete sentences.  :'(

But Obama is leading in both polls.  And he's doing even better against the most likely nominee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 17, 2011, 12:12:26 AM
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/ezra-klein/StandingArt/congresspopularitybennett.jpg?uuid=KFcdqBBjEeGzpeoj2RvJbQ)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2011, 01:28:38 AM
Pawlenty probably bailed out too early. Lack of money hasn't appeared to hurt anyone else. And he's a perfect generic Republican to be anti-Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2011, 02:46:58 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 17, 2011, 01:28:38 AM
Pawlenty probably bailed out too early. Lack of money hasn't appeared to hurt anyone else. And he's a perfect generic Republican to be anti-Romney.

I agree 100%. His sin (climate change) was pretty minor compared to Romney, Perry, etc. And while he wasn't charismatic he could still make the electability argument. Plus I predicted he'd win the nom  :'(

Must suck for him as he replays the campaign in his mind. From not being willing to challenge Romney to his face (the Obamney gaffe) to his super early exit, he really shat the bed. I doubt Santorum has much money either, hell he hasn't had a real job in years - yet he's still in the race.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Oblivion on November 17, 2011, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: My F*cking Grandpa on November 16, 2011, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 16, 2011, 06:45:36 PM
Quote
Newt Gingrich is the strongest Republican candidate when matched head to head against Democratic President Barack Obama, according to a McClatchy-Marist Poll released Tuesday.

The former speaker of the House of Representatives is neck and neck with the incumbent president, back just 2 percentage points among registered voters. Obama leads 47 percent to 45 percent.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is next closest, trailing Obama by 4 percentage points. In that matchup, Obama leads 48 percent to 44 percent.

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas is the third best bet for the Republicans right now, 8 points back from Obama. No other Republican is within single digits of Obama. The survey has an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Told you guys, with a shitty economy, people will settle for any Republican that can speak in complete sentences.  :'(

But Obama is leading in both polls.  And he's doing even better against the most likely nominee.

Right, but it's just the thought of a vile piece of shit like Gingrich trailing Obama by such small margins that's discomforting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 17, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
Quote
Herman Cain campaigned in New Hampshire today, where he was asked to explain his child-like incoherence on international affairs. The Republican presidential candidate said knowing details isn’t important. Cain added:

“We need a leader, not a reader.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/quote_of_the_day_23033562.php

:bow Real murika :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 17, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
Reading books is for hippie, commu-nazis losers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 17, 2011, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 17, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
Quote
Herman Cain campaigned in New Hampshire today, where he was asked to explain his child-like incoherence on international affairs. The Republican presidential candidate said knowing details isn’t important. Cain added:

“We need a leader, not a reader.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/quote_of_the_day_23033562.php

:bow Real murika :bow2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9f1TYyvEx8

Holy shit.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2011, 11:26:03 PM
Is this the worst batch of presidential candidates...ever? I remember the 2004 dems being pretty laughable, but this is just a riot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 18, 2011, 12:45:09 AM
http://wonkette.com/456567/fox-news-names-white-house-shooting-suspect-occupy-shooter#more-456567

So I'm not surprised that Fox would somehow tie the White House shooter to OSW or any other left leaning group - and was actually musing about that just this morning - but I'm still trying to wrap my head around their rationale.

It's like when that one anti-tax tea bagger crashed a plane into a building that housed an IRS office a few years ago and the righties tried to say he was actually a liberal cause he smoked weed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 18, 2011, 12:46:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2011, 11:26:03 PM
Is this the worst bath of presidential candidates...ever? I remember the 2004 dems being pretty laughable, but this is just a riot.

The idea of any bath involving Newt Gingrich sounds pretty grody, to be honest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2011, 12:56:54 AM
long day at work   :'(

although I'd rather bathe with Bachman than Carol Mosley-Braun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2011, 01:04:48 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 18, 2011, 12:45:09 AM
but I'm still trying to wrap my head around their rationale.
They were claiming police said he hid out at the Occupy DC camp afterwards. I also heard he read a newspaper story about Occupy Wall Street weeks before the shooting.

I don't think that plane guy was a teabagger wasn't he facing like a bunch of audits and had some weird theory about how GM, George W. Bush and the Catholic Church caused 9/11 so they could bail out the airlines and were attacking him with the IRS to cover up that he figured it out.

And by weird theory, I mean the truth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2011, 03:08:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNbAe7dOGA
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2011, 03:17:32 AM
I wonder how liberal sites/blogs/media would react if someone with the slightest Tea Party ties shot at the WH, and later a gathering of tea partiers (no matter how small) held a moment of silence for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 18, 2011, 03:23:43 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 18, 2011, 03:08:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNbAe7dOGA
 :lol

The fuck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 18, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 17, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
Quote
Herman Cain campaigned in New Hampshire today, where he was asked to explain his child-like incoherence on international affairs. The Republican presidential candidate said knowing details isn’t important. Cain added:

“We need a leader, not a reader.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/quote_of_the_day_23033562.php

:bow Real murika :bow2

Wasn't part of his shit answer that he would make better decisions than Obama by knowing all the info?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 18, 2011, 01:25:21 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 18, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 17, 2011, 09:17:26 PM
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Herman Cain campaigned in New Hampshire today, where he was asked to explain his child-like incoherence on international affairs. The Republican presidential candidate said knowing details isn’t important. Cain added:

“We need a leader, not a reader.”

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/quote_of_the_day_23033562.php

:bow Real murika :bow2

Wasn't part of his shit answer that he would make better decisions than Obama by knowing all the info?

You must have read that somewhere, guess you don't have what it takes to be a leader.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2011, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 18, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
Wasn't part of his shit answer that he would make better decisions than Obama by knowing all the info?
No, see, he doesn't need to know anything, because he'd ask the experts!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2011, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 18, 2011, 02:29:09 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 18, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
Wasn't part of his shit answer that he would make better decisions than Obama by knowing all the info?
No, see, he doesn't need to know anything, because he'd ask the experts!

Except science experts.

Or health experts.

Or economic experts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 18, 2011, 04:55:29 PM
Herman Cain's lead Scientician:

(http://cdn.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/saints-row-genki.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2011, 06:57:56 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/bachmann-solyndra-makes-watergate-looks-like-childs-play.php?ref=fpnewsfeed_beta

what is wrong with you omfgwtfbbq

edit:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/herman-cain-taliban-may-be-infiltrating-libya.php?ref=fpb_beta

what is wrong with you too, omfgwtfbbq
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 18, 2011, 07:10:32 PM
They're just desperate to catch a second wind in time to cash in at the primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 18, 2011, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 18, 2011, 07:15:19 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 18, 2011, 12:45:09 AM
http://wonkette.com/456567/fox-news-names-white-house-shooting-suspect-occupy-shooter#more-456567

So I'm not surprised that Fox would somehow tie the White House shooter to OSW or any other left leaning group - and was actually musing about that just this morning - but I'm still trying to wrap my head around their rationale.

It's like when that one anti-tax tea bagger crashed a plane into a building that housed an IRS office a few years ago and the righties tried to say he was actually a liberal cause he smoked weed.


So, be honest - how often do you notice when you're doing exactly the thing you're criticizing?

Zero to utter hypocrisy in 50 words.

What was hypocritical about what I said?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 18, 2011, 11:23:11 PM
It's pretty depressing when David Letterman does a better job at journalism than, you know, actual journalists:

edit: Wrong link. Here's the full interview:

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?pid=LCmMsIv86JFQk_PnQRMP_hOot_oatCbh&nrd=1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 19, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
Has anyone seen the video of the protesters being pepper sprayed at uc Davis? I've dismissed most of the police brutality videos OWS has posted but yeah... Its kinda chilling and really out of line. Wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 19, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 19, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
Has anyone seen the video of the protesters being pepper sprayed at uc Davis? I've dismissed most of the police brutality videos OWS has posted but yeah... Its kinda chilling and really out of line. Wow.

I haven't followed OWS stuff very closely, but this seems odd to me.

Pepper spray is lower on the use-of-force model than the baton is, so it's weird you would dismiss previous vids of police whacking protestors with batons, but find pepper spray out of line.

(again, I say this ignorantly without seeing the pepper spray vids myself)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2011, 10:22:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4

Obviously, those kids were a clear and imminent threat that just had to be removed from that valuable and busy public space.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 19, 2011, 11:05:05 PM
Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.

Anyway, the OWS movement will fizzle out next year, especially when Democrats at the higher levels (whose coffers are currently getting filled from all dat Wall Street cash) start turning their backs on them.  They'd much rather get the $1 billion they need to campaign with than depend on OWS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 19, 2011, 11:37:09 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 19, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 19, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
Has anyone seen the video of the protesters being pepper sprayed at uc Davis? I've dismissed most of the police brutality videos OWS has posted but yeah... Its kinda chilling and really out of line. Wow.

I haven't followed OWS stuff very closely, but this seems odd to me.

Pepper spray is lower on the use-of-force model than the baton is, so it's weird you would dismiss previous vids of police whacking protestors with batons, but find pepper spray out of line.

(again, I say this ignorantly without seeing the pepper spray vids myself)
The other videos I've seen have included the protesters kinda being dicks and confrontational. This video has nothing like that. Just a dude being a huge dick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 19, 2011, 11:48:35 PM
Pepper spray'd in training.  That was the most pain I've ever been in.  But's it's over within an hour or so.

Was supposed to get tear gassed, but that didn't quite happen.  Funny story, I should tell y'all about it some time.  But everyone in training says that pepper spray is worse than the gas.

The thing about physical force like the baton is that it has the greater potential for lasting harm/damage, as opposed to gas and spray.


Quote from: The Experiment on November 19, 2011, 11:05:05 PM
Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.


oooh, ooh!  Story time, please!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 12:09:39 AM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/brithers-attempt-to-remove-obama-from-new-hampshire-primary.php?ref=fpblg_beta

yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2011, 12:29:36 AM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2011, 12:33:55 AM
Uh, is there even going to be a Democratic primary ballot for him to be on?

Seems like a waste of time even for Orly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 12:49:23 AM
It's for the overall November 2012 ballot, not the primary ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2011, 12:51:50 AM
Igor needs to fix his headline.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/293382/birther-bid-to-derail-obama-blocked
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But Taitz insists that document is fake: The computer file is layered and could have been altered with the Adobe Illustrator program, she said.

"A child can see this is a forgery," she told the commission. "Why are they refusing to show the public the original?"

She also claims Obama doesn't have a valid Social Security number. Included in the 85-page packet Taitz submitted to the commission is a tax return with "a number that was never assigned to him," Taitz said. She said Obama is using a Social Security number issued in Connecticut around 1977.

In conducting her research, Taitz said she also found several birth dates associated with Obama in a national database. And she found information that she said contradicts Obama's claim about the length of time he spent attending Columbia University, which claims the president as a 1983 graduate.

"We have an individual where we don't know who he is," Taitz said. "We need to know that the person who is at the helm of this country, who is leading our military, whose finger is on the red button of nuclear weapons, has proper identification."

She told the commission members they would be responsible for "the most egregious election fraud ever committed" if they didn't take Obama's name off the ballot.

"This is bigger than Watergate. This is a hundred times bigger than Watergate," Taitz said. "Ladies and gentlemen, in your hands is national security for the United States of America."

But the commission wasn't convinced.

"Is there any decision, any place, by any body - adjudicatory body - to the questions you're asking?" said the chairman, Bradford Cook. "Because they've been asked a lot of places."

"No, but -" Taitz began.

"No," Cook said. "Thank you."

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"Obama does not have an valid identification papers, which are necessary to be a candidate on the ballot, running for the U.S. presidency, based upon New Hampshire elections law 655-17 and on Article 1, section 2 of the U.S. Constitution," Taitz wrote.

"This case shows an unprecedented level of corruption and lawlessness in the federal government and in the government of Hawaii, which allowed Obama to get on the ballot in 2008. … Petitioner demands removal of Obama from the ballot in the state of New Hampshire in the Democrat party primary and demands immediate criminal prosecution of Obama and his accomplices for elections fraud, common law fraud and uttering of forged documents."

Meanwhile, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County in Arizona has assigned a special cold case team to investigate the possibility that Obama could use fraudulent documents to apply to be on the Arizona ballot next year.

He's said the investigators have accumulated thousands of pages of evidence and his report likely will come early in 2012.
:lol "special cold case team"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2011, 01:04:54 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 19, 2011, 11:05:05 PM
Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.

Anyway, the OWS movement will fizzle out next year, especially when Democrats at the higher levels (whose coffers are currently getting filled from all dat Wall Street cash) start turning their backs on them.  They'd much rather get the $1 billion they need to campaign with than depend on OWS.

Point me to all of these democratic candidates who are cozying up to OWS, I am having trouble remembering any other than Elizabeth Warren you dumb fucker.  NOBODY running for office wants anything to do w/ OWS- the GOP are actively antagonistic and the dems are all weird about maybe wanting to agree with them yet at the same time GOTTA MAKE THAT SKRILLA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 20, 2011, 01:46:49 AM
Quote from: Boogie on November 19, 2011, 11:48:35 PM
Pepper spray'd in training.  That was the most pain I've ever been in.  But's it's over within an hour or so.

Was supposed to get tear gassed, but that didn't quite happen.  Funny story, I should tell y'all about it some time.  But everyone in training says that pepper spray is worse than the gas.

The thing about physical force like the baton is that it has the greater potential for lasting harm/damage, as opposed to gas and spray.


Quote from: The Experiment on November 19, 2011, 11:05:05 PM
Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.


oooh, ooh!  Story time, please!

The university I went to had an annual festival that had the tendency to turn ugly.  A house party got busted that night by police donning riot gear and things quickly spiraled out of control.  A lot of college students were being dumb motherfuckers since they were lighting dumpsters on fire and rolling them into buildings, pulling out street light posts and running them into windows, etc.  The riot police enclosed in the area and unloaded tear gas into the crowd.  I never participated in the damage but I was close by watching with friends.  I just recall tear gas really burning my eyes but not much else.   So we all grouped back together as did many others and soon the riot police were chasing groups down and pepper spraying them.  I got caught in the middle of things when some policeman was pepper spraying everyone in his sight it seemed.  That shit was far more painful than tear gas.  Shortly after, the riot pretty much stopped there, with a few arrests here and there.  The effects of pepper spray probably wore off within an hour.  The people doing property damage were pretty much all caught on security footage and were kicked out of school accordingly.

I just don't think temporary excruciating pain of pepper spray is worse than being beaten with a baton, just because it would take a lot longer for your body to recover.  Tear gas is nowhere near as bad as either one.  It has a lot of range as people about a quarter of a mile away (some friends who were in the dorms at the time) could feel their eyes burn from the dispersed tear gas.

Good times!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2011, 04:26:28 AM
This is pretty crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8775ZmNGFY8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on November 20, 2011, 05:24:42 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 19, 2011, 11:05:05 PM
Having been tear gassed and pepper sprayed by riot police before, getting whacked with a baton would be 10x worse.

Anyway, the OWS movement will fizzle out next year, especially when Democrats at the higher levels (whose coffers are currently getting filled from all dat Wall Street cash) start turning their backs on them.  They'd much rather get the $1 billion they need to campaign with than depend on OWS.

How would democrats turning their backs on OWS lead to them fizzling out?  OWS has nothing to do with the democratic party  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2011, 09:27:26 AM
Yeah, if your street protest movement needs to be propped up by mainstream party leaders, you had a shitty street protest movement to begin with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2011, 01:50:35 PM
Looks like Newt has gotten the memo and is going all in on the sound-bite red-meat candidacy Hermain Cain failed so poorly at: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-tells-off-occupy-wall-street-at-gop-debate-go-get-a-job-after-you-take-a-bath/

Speaking of OWS related stupidity, Michael Moore continues to be really fucking dumb about it (https://twitter.com/#!/MMFlint/status/136350418656694272):
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Dozens of Occupys across US raided this weekend-& now NYC- Planned & coordinated by the Dept. of Homeland Security? Did O give green light?

Boring ramble:

I always thought the "occupy" concept was self-defeating as people would inherently lose interest camping out and it'd invite in the dredges of society and hardliner nuts like this to be the core of the people left at some point: http://www.dailycal.org/2011/11/18/man-throws-aluminum-water-bottle-at-uc-berkeley-students-face/

Which is really why the powers that be decided they had to be "cleaned out" especially with all the health hazards and assaults popping up. (I mean the big ones where this was going on, not the numerous smaller encampments.) If they had maybe done rallies/protests and weekend long stuff for a while I doubt they would have lost anything in terms of political capital and gotten even more people turning out for each event. How do they escalate things come Spring now? They could have occupied for six months or more next year during the election season.

Although I suppose I'm not the biggest fan of "awareness"-only type protests in the first place. I knew this guy, another poli-sci faculty, who was gushing over how OWS was going to cause all the young people to rise up and get involved in the regulatory process (especially through http://www.regulations.gov) and make sure the regulatory state worked for the people. And how this would transform America and the globe unlike the Tea Party.

I don't care for the Tea Party, and I know OWS was doing something well...different, but the Tea Party was similarly disorganized and aimless early on and I think to some extent resisted being co-opted to however a semi-splinter faction of an existing party can be. They had the nebulous dislike of the government and blah blah as well, but they also had two specific targets they could start to gel a unified focus around in hating PPACA/ObamaCare/Death Panels. And then after that sorta died out they turned their ire on the "RINOS" and went after Castle, Murkowski, McCain and co., put a lot of "their people" in the nominations even if they lost like Angle, O'Donnell, Lee, Miller, Rubio and in other cases the GOTV effort helped "outsiders" like Snyder in Michigan, Walker in Wisconsin, etc. and overall helped the GOP.

Back to OWS, I think the occupy aspect somewhat knee capped this as you had everyone at the ones I saw in DC, NYC, SF and Oakland. You had Ron Paul END THE FED types, general left-liberals, the standard Workers World types who turn out to everything under the sun, general "hippies" who do the same, people who just want to play the drums to be "the heartbeat of the movement" and everything else you would expect. Tea Party was probably more ideologically cohesive but you still had racists, libertarians, so-cons, small business people, gun nuts, etc.

You aren't going to win either way, I don't think the Tea Party nor OWS really got reasonable coverage (as if anyone does these days, one aspect I liked about FOX's love for the Tea Party was that they would put the various people on to talk at least), and there is time to be seen for OWS yet, the Tea Party hadn't won much of anything in 2009 either, but the whole occupy thing strikes me as what you do last.

I've seen conservatives calling them Obamavilles and when even your "allies" are running away from you because all the kids got bored and the criminals took advantage, it's not helping you out.

To put in one last obvious note, OWS is drastically younger that I can tell, the Tea Party somewhat instinctively knew they had to do something within the GOP since their political activism was limited to bumper stickers, shooting guns, hating them damn Mexicans on the teevee and voting. From the interviews and everything I've seen a lot of the OWS people still think they can change things by like totally drawing attention to the problems with the intrinsic paradigms man. Which is great and all, but doesn't get you much of anywhere if you don't have critical mass like with the Vietnam draft protests. And I know nobody is running against Obama but they could use some type of Sarah Palin sorta-related media-distracting type to run around to each of the Occupy sites and hype people up while not doing anything else to try and run the movement except for the publicity they can get out of it. Rosanne Barr and Michael Moore aren't really cutting it.

But then I also think some eccentric rich guy could come along complaining about bailouts, outsourcing/AMERICAN JOBS and one of those variations some of the GOP candidates are trying with the "end the bad war parts but fight the other war parts harder!" and put up Ross Perot type numbers. A couple Republican guys I know were suggesting they wouldn't mind my five-man scenario of Obama-Romney-Paul-Bloomberg/Trump-Dobbs. (Last one was the first anti-immigrant, protectionist guy I could think of and he had been pretending he wanted to run last year.)

They didn't like my suggestion that Hillary should resign and enter the Republican race even though they said they'd prefer that Obama lost in the end.

Sorry Bore, was waiting on a defrag to finish so I could get back to The Third, so I thought I'd vomit up some off the cuff poorly reasoned political opinions expert punditry on you.

I'll stick this out here since it's glib. If there's something about OWS I could say I actually hated, it's the "we are the 99%" thing. It irks me in much the same way "we are the ones we are waiting for" did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 20, 2011, 02:00:18 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/santorum-labor-unions-are-force-for-goodif-youre-iranian.php?ref=fpblg_beta (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/santorum-labor-unions-are-force-for-goodif-youre-iranian.php?ref=fpblg_beta)

this guy...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
Better yet, did you hear Newt extoll the virtue of American exceptionalism being that when we send soldiers to war, they are our brothers, sisters, fathers, daughters, etc - which separates us from the rest of the world. So much crazy

but I must say I teared up as Santorum told the story about his kid. He's an asshole but that's a heartbreaking situation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 20, 2011, 06:20:01 PM
had to do it:

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
but I must say I teared up as Santorum told the story about his kid. He's an asshole but that's a heartbreaking situation

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/Draketears-1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
http://www.breitbart.tv/matthews-obamas-dont-like-being-in-white-house-michelle-not-happy/
 :lol

Matthews sounds butthurt. I think his point about the general aimlessness of Obama's WH is valid, but it's odd hearing Matthews carry water for one of the most vapid, ignorant right wing attacks (herp derp Michelle is an angry black woman)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-krugman-newt-gingrich-is-a-stupid-mans-idea-of-what-a-smart-person-sounds-like/

:bow K-thug :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 11:40:08 PM
David Frum on realizing his party is insane
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 20, 2011, 11:46:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2011, 11:40:08 PM
David Frum on realizing his party is insane
http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/

Good read, thanks for the link.  It is shocking to see how the GOP is making a dead sprint to move as far right as possible, at the expense of the health of the economy, and also to the point where Bush's presidency and policies seem rational and levelheaded by comparison.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2011, 12:22:46 AM
From the article
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It was not so long ago that Texas governor Bush denounced attempts to cut the earned-income tax credit as “balancing the budget on the backs of the poor.” By 2011, Republican commentators were noisily complaining that the poorer half of society are “lucky duckies” because the EITC offsets their federal tax obligations—or because the recession had left them with such meager incomes that they had no tax to pay in the first place. In 2000, candidate Bush routinely invoked “churches, synagogues, and mosques.” By 2010, prominent Republicans were denouncing the construction of a mosque in lower Manhattan as an outrageous insult. In 2003, President Bush and a Republican majority in Congress enacted a new ­prescription-drug program in Medicare. By 2011, all but four Republicans in the House and five in the Senate were voting to withdraw the Medicare guarantee from everybody under age 55. Today, the Fed’s pushing down interest rates in hopes of igniting economic growth is close to treason, according to Governor Rick Perry, coyly seconded by TheWall Street Journal. In 2000, the same policy qualified Alan Greenspan as the “greatest central banker in the history of the world,” according to Perry’s mentor, Senator Phil Gramm. Today, health reform that combines regulation of private insurance, individual mandates, and subsidies for those who need them is considered unconstitutional and an open invitation to “death panels.” A dozen years ago, a very similar reform was the Senate Republican alternative to Hillarycare. Today, stimulative fiscal policy that includes tax cuts for almost every American is “socialism.” In 2001, stimulative fiscal policy that included tax cuts for rather fewer Americans was an economic­-recovery program.

I'm certainly not going to wax poetic about the virtues of George W. Bush or forget his own forays into the same divisive gutter politics that dominate the right today, but it is certainly fair to say his republican party is quite different from the one we're seeing now on immigration and some economic issues. A sensible* republican would destroy Obama in an election, assuming economic growth continued at a snails pace. Yet the party has been unable to produce such a candidate, mainly because the sensible republicans that exist know they can't compete with the hardcore voices that dominate the party today.

Americans are becoming more liberal on social issues, the Hispanic population is booming across the country, and the majority of the public supports a series of liberal economic positions on taxes/spending. The republican party won't go extinct, American politics are too cyclical. But there's no way the current brand of republicanism lasts as America gets browner.

*Sensible in terms of being more in tune with traditional republican candidates. I don't think Chris Christie's crusade against unions is sensible, or Mitch Daniels' position on deficits is sensible, but they're mainstream candidates who can/could win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 21, 2011, 03:36:34 AM
We need a zombie Teddy Roosevelt, he wouldn't stand for any of this shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2011, 10:18:18 AM
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I was denounced the next day by my former colleagues at The Wall Street Journal as a turncoat. Three days after that, I was dismissed from the American Enterprise Institute. I’m not a solitary case: In 2005, the economist Bruce Bartlett, a main legislative author of the Kemp-Roth tax cut, was fired from a think tank in Dallas for too loudly denouncing the George W. Bush administration’s record, and I could tell equivalent stories about other major conservative think tanks as well.

I don’t complain from a personal point of view. Happily, I had other economic resources to fall back upon. But the message sent to others with less security was clear: We don’t pay you to think, we pay you to repeat.

My favorite part of the article. Nothing is more indicative of how right wing messaging is to work than this statement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2011, 02:34:59 PM
I love K-Thug's passive aggressive verbal bombs. He hurls insult after insult while looking like he's ready to jump out the window in the event someone lunges at him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/21/paul-krugman-george-will-newt-gingrich_n_1104877.html
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 21, 2011, 03:12:42 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/0a03ebddbb/ron-paul-a-bad-lip-reading-soundbite -- new one, love these

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/04/bad-lip-reading-michele-bachmann_n_994399.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 21, 2011, 03:40:26 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/11/21/373627/romney-admits-recordsdestruction/

You know, I honestly would have thought Romney would have handled this issue with a little more subtlety.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 21, 2011, 03:58:58 PM
karma's a bitch:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ny-foreclosure-firm-that-threw-halloween-party-mocking-homeless-warns-of-mass-layoffs/2011/11/21/gIQAPU6LiN_story.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2011, 06:05:30 PM
Super Committee.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2011, 09:41:59 PM
Polls continue to show Newt on top

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Newt Gingrich: 24 (22)
Mitt Romney: 20 (24)
Herman Cain: 17 (14)
Rick Perry: 11 (12)
Ron Paul: 9 (8)
Michele Bachmann: 5 (6)
Rick Santorum: 4 (3)
Jon Huntsman: 3 (3)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/21/1038776/-Newt-Gingrich-takes-lead-in-CNN%C2%A0survey?via=blog_1

Seems like the next phase of the anti-Romney phase. I remember thinking Perry would win because he was such a tea party-esque candidate, but horrible gaffes ruined him. Newt has a history of saying/doing dumb things, but he's also an impressive debater who is knowledgeable on issues beyond talking points - unlike Perry and the former anti-Romney, Cain.

The problem is that establishment types hate the guy, he doesn't have a lot of money, and doesn't have the infrastructure in place to win a state like Iowa. If he can get his campaign rolling in Iowa and pull off a win, he might be in position to really challenge Romney. I tend to think South Carolina would prefer any of the southern sons (Gingrich, Cain, Perry) over Romney, and Gingrich would also have a shot at NH. Who knows
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 21, 2011, 11:52:25 PM
have you guys read this shit?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2011/11/christian_theocracy_how_newt_gingrich_and_the_gop_would_abolish_courts_and_legislate_morality_.single.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2011, 12:27:37 AM
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12. Freedom means obeying morality. Santorum concluded, “Our founders understood liberty is not what you want to do, but what you ought to do. That’s what liberty really is about.”
I like this comparable Santorum one: "This idea that people should be able to go and do whatever they want and it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, that's not our founders' view of freedom."

And this Newt one more than the ones quoted there: "I have two grandchildren. I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2011, 12:42:06 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/casually-pepper-spray-everything-cop/photos

Some of those are probably a little nsfw.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 22, 2011, 09:19:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 22, 2011, 12:27:37 AM
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12. Freedom means obeying morality. Santorum concluded, “Our founders understood liberty is not what you want to do, but what you ought to do. That’s what liberty really is about.”
I like this comparable Santorum one: "This idea that people should be able to go and do whatever they want and it doesn't really matter as long as it doesn't hurt anybody, that's not our founders' view of freedom."

And this Newt one more than the ones quoted there: "I have two grandchildren. I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

It's funny 'cause everything wrong in 'murica is because of this reasoning. Someone should tell Santorum that our founding father came here to escape the very thing he thinks their view is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 22, 2011, 11:27:31 AM
And for today's episode of 'Herp-Derp':
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/fox-news-on-uc-davis-pepper-spraying-its-a-food-product-essentially.php?ref=fpb

 :derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 22, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 22, 2011, 11:27:31 AM
And for today's episode of 'Herp-Derp':
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/fox-news-on-uc-davis-pepper-spraying-its-a-food-product-essentially.php?ref=fpb

 :derp

I remember jokes just recently flying around of pepper spray being declared a vegetable, F you reality :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 22, 2011, 02:37:43 PM
Jesus.  So the Republican parties best options and front runners, from the beginning of this whole fiasco:

-Palin
-Trump
-Pawlenty
-Bachman
-Perry
-Cain
-Now Gingrich

seriously?  This party is so fucking stupid and in disarray that they're making the Democratic party look definite and powerful.  If they would've thrown full support to Romney near the beginning, he'd win against Obama easily, but this awful "duck duck goose" game they're playing is making a second term Obama presideny look more and more likely every week this goes on.  I'm okay with that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2011, 02:43:03 PM
I'm waiting for Santorum to get his shot! He might just surge at the right time, like late December
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2011, 11:42:26 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/29/the-very-brief-life-of-fo_n_743569.html
no shame
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2011, 12:15:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2011, 11:42:26 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/29/the-very-brief-life-of-fo_n_743569.html
no shame

I was about to say that something just like that happened last year.

Then I realized you were linking to a year-old story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 12:17:10 AM
hey man, I saw the side blurb on a story I was reading, not my fault  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 12:54:37 AM
lol, so much for Newtmentum*:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-under-fire-at-gop-debate-for-calling-for-humane-immigration-policy/

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 23, 2011, 12:56:53 AM
Newt-owned-again gravity? i give up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 01:01:35 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 23, 2011, 12:56:53 AM
Newt-owned-again gravity? i give up.

That's similar to one of the choices I had, actually. Another was terminewt velocity achieved.

blech

where's malek when you need em
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 01:07:50 AM
I'm watching that Newt clip and jeez, that's a pretty...sensible. Gotta love his face as Bachman distorts his comment over and over again. Wow  :lol

The crowd seemed relatively receptive to Newt's position. Also gotta love Romney moving to the far right on immigration (again); he did the same thing in 2007/8, attempting to outflank McCain. Good luck in the general buddy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 23, 2011, 01:21:10 AM
Far too early for Newt to say things that liberals might like- GOP is full of people that cheer letting people die and boo soldiers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 23, 2011, 01:34:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 23, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.

Malek-esque
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 23, 2011, 01:40:06 AM
Talking like that will really newter his chances with the GOP primary voter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2011, 01:41:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 23, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.
Or maybe his campaign just went Newtcular.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 01:43:36 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 23, 2011, 01:41:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 23, 2011, 01:33:41 AM
Just when you think he's making progress, his campaign is stuck in Newtral.
Or maybe his campaign just went Newtcular.

FUCK U FUCK U FUCK U FUCK U BENJI

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 01:44:46 AM
Maybe he should join Newtec, which is a satellite communications company
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2011, 01:56:06 AM
He might steal votes from Ron Paul if he talks about holding the government to its Enewtmerated Powers.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 02:02:28 AM
I was following this thread until I opened a newtab
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 23, 2011, 02:18:49 AM
With a comment like that, his campaign has been completely Newtered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 23, 2011, 08:56:51 AM
Probably eats a shitload of Newtella while watching Jimmy Newtron.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 23, 2011, 03:43:36 PM
I was listening to local talk radio here- irritating when even the liberal hosts are more skeptical of Obama than NEWT FUCKING GINGRICH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 04:27:46 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/151025/Tweet_of_the_day.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 23, 2011, 06:05:41 PM
http://www.theonion.com/video/congressmans-son-wont-shut-the-hell-up-during-hear,14336/

Classic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 04:27:46 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/151025/Tweet_of_the_day.png)

Was just about to post that.


Speaking of Newt, I gots me a question for those that were far more politically aware in the 90s. I keep hearing certain people say that Newt's a science geek for some reason. It may just be this Tea Party era we're living in, but it's hard for me to believe someone like Newt ever had anything other than contempt for science. I could also be wrong, but didn't Newt do a lot to suck the religious right's dick back then?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 23, 2011, 06:32:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2011, 07:59:54 PM
The View has competition!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcCvvJWyx4c
Okay I'm going back and checking out some Youtube videos I can't watch at work here and I have to ask... Is this serious?  It's a parody, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2011, 06:48:21 PM
Nope, it's real.

That, or Victoria Jackson is the greatest troll in history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2011, 11:13:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 23, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577054141769215880.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577054141769215880.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read)

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His enemy will be the banks, which he bailed out.

 ???

We voted for change and got 911 and bailouts :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2011, 08:01:30 AM
http://www.yankton.net/articles/2011/11/22/opinion/editorials/doc4ecb289e57114536886034.txt
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In a recent profile piece highlighting the case for Santorum, Quin Hillyer asks, “could it be that the sharpest, most accomplished, most campaign-savvy, and most full-spectrum conservative in a quarter-century of presidential contests has been in the contest all along, working harder than anybody, making at least as much intellectual sense as anybody, never blowing a debate, and never failing to stand on principle?” Without getting too carried away, Hillyer has a point, particularly with his last observation.

When it comes to standing on principle, it’s Santorum in a walk.

For all that the “conservatarian” Ron Paul types will say about Paul’s devotion to small government, only Rick Santorum demonstrates a full recognition that the only way small government is possible is if our culture boasts strong families. The way to accomplish that end is not to take the libertarian, hands-off, anything-goes philosophy towards morality in the public square.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dec9SceFmJc
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Beck’s point is that in a generation full of soundbite-obsessed, pandering politicians, Santorum is a man of honor. That distinction alone should earn him a chance in the spotlight.

Heck is a public high school government teacher and radio talk show host in central Indiana. Email peter@peterheck.com, visit www.peterheck.com, or like him on Facebook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2011, 11:27:30 AM
Speaking of which

Key social conservatives secretly meet to stop Romney in Iowa
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/23/politics/secret-romney-meeting/index.html

If they jump on Newt's bandwagon I'm going to laugh my ass off. Santorum should be their guy, assuming they've given up on Perry. But I doubt neither could beat Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 24, 2011, 12:31:57 PM
No one who comes out of The Great Republican Thunderdome Nomination Process of 2012 is going to be able to beat Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 24, 2011, 08:50:07 PM
http://jezebel.com/5862283/black-people-hurting-our-troops-says-ridiculous-fox-news-report

Wow, just wow.

It's like the article says:

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Fox News: destroying parody since 1996.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2011, 05:06:43 PM
http://gawker.com/5862538/obamas-god+less-remarks-ruined-wingnut-thanksgiving
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
Come on feel the Newtmentum!  NH Union Leader endorses Newt (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/new-hampshire-union-leader-endorses-gingrich/2011/11/27/gIQAB6jL1N_blog.html)

Actually kinda surprised by this, figured they'd be endorsing Romney.  If Newt manages to win an early state or two... man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2011, 01:07:53 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 27, 2011, 08:20:54 AM
Come on feel the Newtmentum!  NH Union Leader endorses Newt (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/new-hampshire-union-leader-endorses-gingrich/2011/11/27/gIQAB6jL1N_blog.html)

Actually kinda surprised by this, figured they'd be endorsing Romney.  If Newt manages to win an early state or two... man.

They savaged Romney in 08, to the point some national conservative mags had to defend him.  Good news for Newt, let's see if he fucks this up. The field is trying to bury him over his immigration sanity (well, outside of letting WWII draft-esque boards decide which illegal immigrants stay or go..).

I was watching Bachman on PBS News Hour (I'm a nerd fuck you) and she was lying out of teeth. Utterly hilarious. She claimed Gingrich wants to legalize 11 million people and supports a federal DREAM Act lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2011, 01:24:15 PM
I don't think Michelle Bachmann ever actually lies per se, in that I can see her actually believing every crazy fucking thing that comes out of her mouth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 27, 2011, 01:34:50 PM
Arab League approves Syria sanctions (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-fgw-syria-20111128,0,7896662.story)

Almost unanimously (Iraq and Lebanon abstained).  Seems like kind of a big deal.  I figured that Syria would be like Iran, where US analysts got their hopes up that a hostile regime would get toppled, and overestimated how fragile the situation was.  Now?  I dunno.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 27, 2011, 01:48:54 PM
Russia and China have not changed their tune on Syria, which seems more important in relation to possible US intervention; iirc there are many Russian citizens in Syria, plus other ties. The Syrian government/military will be able to quell rebellion easier than Libya or Egypt, although that's not to say a rebellion cannot be successful. Just, the US won't be doing whatever it wants to do covertly or overtly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 27, 2011, 02:23:40 PM
Newt is the closest we'll get to an ACTUAL antichrist in office ;). GOP self fulfilling prophecy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 27, 2011, 07:00:00 PM
Completely random, but I just learned that the founder of wikipedia is a libertarian. Wtf?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 27, 2011, 08:50:04 PM
Not completely unsurprising, what with belleving in the "Invisible Hand" and all...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69243.html

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 28, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
Why the hell would that idiot even jump into the race with all these skeletons in his closet?  Did he really think they wouldn't come out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
the story: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/ginger-white-claims-affair-herman-cain-20111127-es

Cain got in the race with the sole intention of selling books, getting a primetime RNC speaking slot, and maybe setting up for a House run later. He clearly didn't expect to become a leading candidate, and when he did he just decided to ride the wave.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 28, 2011, 05:15:27 PM
True.  But outside of a book deal (probably about his scandalous run for President) I doubt he's getting any of that shit now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 28, 2011, 06:05:49 PM
lol @ the tweets:

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/11/28/1040584/-Herman-Cain:-And-then-there-were--who-the-heck-knows-anymore?via=blog_1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2011, 06:23:08 PM
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She showed us some of her cell phone bills that included 61 phone calls or text messages to or from a number starting with 678. She says it is Herman Cain's private cell phone. The calls were made during four different months-- calls or texts made as early as 4:26 in the early morning, and as late as 7:52 at night. The latest were in September of this year.

“We've never worked together,” said White. “And I can't imagine someone phoning or texting me for the last two and a half years, just because.”

We texted the number and Herman Cain called us back. He told us he "knew Ginger White" but said these are "more false allegations." He said she had his number because he was "trying to help her financially.”
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/ginger-white-claims-affair-herman-cain-20111127-es (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/ginger-white-claims-affair-herman-cain-20111127-es)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 28, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 28, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
Why the hell would that idiot even jump into the race with all these skeletons in his closet?  Did he really think they wouldn't come out?

...to sell books?  Fucking duh, these people want in on those sweet Koch bros dollars.  Gotta get them some wingnut welfare!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 28, 2011, 07:19:09 PM
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"Mr. Cain has been informed today that your television station plans to broadcast a story this evening in which a female will make an accusation that she engaged in a 13-year long physical relationship with Mr. Cain. This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace – this is not an accusation of an assault - which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate.

Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults - a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public's right to know and the media's right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one's bedroom door.

Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media."

Sandusky's lawyer's working overtime
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 28, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
The irony in that is palpable.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 28, 2011, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 28, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
The irony in that is palpable.

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(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/3/markos_tweet.jpg)

Non-denials are the new denials. "If my wife knew, was it really an affair?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 28, 2011, 07:35:05 PM
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Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media."

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2011, 02:15:06 AM
Quote
Quote of the Day

Retiring member of Congress Barney Frank on the House under Republican rule: "It consists half of people who think like Michele Bachmann and half of people who are afraid of losing a primary to people who think like Michele Bachmann and that leaves very little room to work things out."
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/barney-frank-goes-out-swinging-pledges-not-to-be-a-lobbyist.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 29, 2011, 09:02:07 AM
I use my invisible market hand to not shop at walmart or buy gas from stations that show fox news on TVs inside.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 10:44:43 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on November 29, 2011, 02:54:25 AM
You know what's always fascinated me is the canned response you get from ulta libertarians and free market evangelists. "If you don't like x product/your salary/your working conditions/whatever, you're free to find another product/place of employment/whatever. Simple as that."

What I find fascinating is that these people seem to think that 1) this is a completely original argument that no one involved in the debate has ever heard, 2) that using this argument should pretty much end all debate on whatever the subject is, and 3) that this is some natural law as immutable and intrinsic to the fabric of the universe as the Laws of Thermodynamics.

They expect this argument to be some sort of win button, and yet when I see it, all I can do is facepalm.

Well for some discussions - like the completely voluntary associations you outlined - that's all there is to be said if the goal is rhetoric based on rationality; beyond lies the realm of childish, emotional yammering.

JayDubya is the Eddy Gordo of win-button mashing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 29, 2011, 11:18:36 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on November 29, 2011, 02:54:25 AM
You know what's always fascinated me is the canned response you get from ulta libertarians and free market evangelists. "If you don't like x product/your salary/your working conditions/whatever, you're free to find another product/place of employment/whatever. Simple as that."

What I find fascinating is that these people seem to think that 1) this is a completely original argument that no one involved in the debate has ever heard, 2) that using this argument should pretty much end all debate on whatever the subject is, and 3) that this is some natural law as immutable and intrinsic to the fabric of the universe as the Laws of Thermodynamics.

They expect this argument to be some sort of win button, and yet when I see it, all I can do is facepalm.

Well for some discussions - like the completely voluntary associations you outlined - that's all there is to be said if the goal is rhetoric based on rationality; beyond lies the realm of childish, emotional yammering.

there's nothing rational about the need to ascribe simple, nonsensical rules to human social behavior. letting your insecurities govern your arguments is about the lowest form of anti-intellectualism there is!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2011, 12:16:46 PM
Well if you don't like his posts you can go to another forum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2011, 12:43:43 PM
If you don't like the American government regulating business, you're free to go to another country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 12:57:28 PM
It's not just weak sauce, it's the lowest form of deflection and debate.  It's wholly unrealistic and childish.  You don't like earning shit wage?  Go find a job with a better wage.  It's that simple.  You're not a millionaire yet?  You obviously haven't tried.  It takes a whole new level of stupidity to throw out suggestions without accounting for the real life hurdles that complicates these issues.  In fact, it's the whole reason that libertarians are idiots in the first place... Trying to apply simple solutions to enormously complicated issues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 29, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 12:57:28 PM
In fact, it's the whole reason that libertarians are idiots in the first place... Trying to apply simple solutions to enormously complicated issues.

 :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 29, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
oops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 29, 2011, 01:42:42 PM
if you don't like your fetus, you're free to abort it WAAAIIIIT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 01:44:15 PM
Hm, what happened to drew's racist comment?  Man up and own it, dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2011, 01:46:42 PM
what happened with the edit, didn't see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2011, 01:49:46 PM
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AZ State Sen. Lori Klein Defends Cain: If He Didn't Hit On Me...

As Herman Cain’s campaign deals with allegations of a 13-year long affair to go along with accusations of sexual harassment and assault, one of his supporters says the stories are all wrong — and she would know.

In an interview with CBS, Arizona State Sen. Lori Klein, Cain’s campaign chair in the state, said he’s “never been anything but a gentlemen – and I am not an unattractive woman.”

She said that Cain should sue Ginger White for alleging the affair, adding that in politics “we want a virgin to do a hooker’s job.”
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/2208

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 29, 2011, 01:50:06 PM
if it didn't butt heads with their randian style of annoying atheism, libertardians would so love an eye for an eye
Title: Re: I support a plantation owner's right to choose what to do with his bodies
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 29, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
Hey man, if you don't like abortion don't go to the clinics :smug

Hey man, if you don't like slavery, don't go to the market.  :smug
Exactly.  The invisible hand will guide the general public's morality. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 29, 2011, 01:57:17 PM
Exactly, the invisible hand will end slavery, no problem, right?
YOU SON OF A BITCH :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 29, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Nobody is 'pro-abortion'.
Title: Re: I support a plantation owner's right to choose what to do with his bodies
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 12:57:28 PM
It's wholly unrealistic and childish.

The usual "but it's not faaaaaaiir" retort being the apex of realism and maturity, of course.
Oops.  You're deflecting again.  I didn't say anything about being fair.  I said that telling someone "well find a better paying job" is simple and a childish viewpoint that is void of any real world perspective in what it takes to get said job.  Stay on target.

Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 29, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
Hey man, if you don't like abortion don't go to the clinics :smug

Hey man, if you don't like slavery, don't go to the market.  :smug
Exactly.  The invisible hand will guide the general public's morality.

It would, in fact, be more logically consistent for pro-abortion folks to be abject anarchists opposing any laws governing human behavior at all.   The usual assertion of "pro-choice" rings pretty hollow in light of the fact that so many wish to impose upon freedom of choice in so many ways.
Wait wait, this can't be serious.  Maybe I'm not understanding something.  But the fact that I'm pro choice is hypocritical because I'm also against allowing people to buy slaves?  Is that what you're saying?  It's not like owning farm animals or pets because slavery restricts rights on other people.  I'm all fine and dandy with your choices if it doesn't fuck with someone's rights. 
Title: Re: I support a plantation owner's right to choose what to do with his bodies
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 02:31:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2011, 01:46:42 PM
what happened with the edit, didn't see

He quoted the link to the Fox story about Detroit workers on their break and said (if not verbatim, close to it) "I don't see anything wrong with this.  Detroit blacks are the worst."

Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 29, 2011, 01:50:27 PM
Hey man, if you don't like abortion don't go to the clinics :smug

Hey man, if you don't like slavery, don't go to the market.  :smug

Says the guy who seriously argued on GAF that slaves were culpable for their plight because they didn't rebel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 02:39:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 29, 2011, 02:35:54 PM
But the obvious retort is that someone can support freedom of choice and oppose abortion just fine - assuming of course, that one doesn't mind laws against aggressive killing of other humans - whereas total consistency with the notion of all choices should be legally permissable would be anarchy.

By the same token a vegan is only consistent if they want the police to arrest and imprison anyone eating a hamburger, else they are terrible hypocrites.

O WAIT I'VE BEEN DRAWN INTO JAYDUBYA'S NETHERWORLD OF SHITTY HIGH SCHOOL DEBATE TECHNIQUES SOMEONE RESCUE ME
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 29, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
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As far as the rest, slaves weren't persons.  Hence the legality of owning them.  Hence the above counterpoint.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 02:48:07 PM
You specifically said that American slaves bore a significant part of the blame for their own bondage.  I'm just paraphrasing your own post, man.  If you don't like how it reflects on you, that's not my problem.

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The awesome follow-up was when I asked if this implied rape victims bore responsibility for the crime if they didn't physically struggle, and JD was all "gosh, what an interesting question..."
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 02:56:36 PM
Ooooooh, is that an accusation of dishonesty?  You gonna pretend that you never said DC shouldn't have residential areas either?  Poor search functions are the last refuge of a scoundrel, as Oscar Wilde said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 29, 2011, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 02:56:36 PM
Ooooooh, is that an accusation of dishonesty?  You gonna pretend that you never said DC shouldn't have residential areas either?  Poor search functions are the last refuge of a scoundrel, as Oscar Wilde said.

If they're so fleet-footed (http://www.realchange.org/ronpaul.htm&sa=U&ei=lznVTuWsHsTj0QH5g-naAQ&ved=0CBUQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNFMEcQcmpocqx93ZGTepjFgSV-DaQ) why don't they run somewhere they can vote :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 03:31:19 PM
Okay, bringing this back to where it started so we can wrap it up and get back to Herman Cain's sex life:


When a libertopian says something is "voluntary" they are implying that every circumstance of someone's life is purely the result of that person's decisions.  This shouldn't just be obviously wrong to anyone who's lived in the real world for more than a fortnight, but also to libertarians particularly.  The point of a market economy is to efficiently allocate scarce resources.  If it works well, then growth ticks up a couple percentage points a year and over time there's a bigger pie, but there are always limits and tradeoffs.  Not everyone can be rich, despite their best efforts.

"Ah, but the market creates a meritocracy, where the most deserving get their due!"  The idea is that the limited resources get divvied up with the bulk going to the most deserving, because of their skill and the choices they made.  Again, it doesn't work like that.  Not all capital is human capital.  Inheriting the company from dad works just as well (notice how many repeat last names on the Forbes 400 richest list).  More modestly, it's a lot easier to get a college degree if you don't need to work while taking classes, or worry about debt repayments.  Hell, how much is American citizenship and fluency in English worth, in average lifetime earnings?

That's not to say that people don't make their own life decisions or live with the consequences.  But different people are given different options and incentives, often from the day they were born, which can have a huge impact on their prosperity and health.  It's not out of line for someone to call out the system for not giving everyone a fair shake.

This really ought to be clear during a cyclical recession.  There are tens and tens of millions of people who are unemployed, working part-time, or working worse jobs than they had four years ago.  Why?  Did those people suddenly decide to become poorer?  Did their skills and value to the market suddenly evaporate?  Or were they victims of a macroeconomic, global phenomenon over which they had no control?  It seems not just callous, but obtuse to blame people for being out or work in these circumstances.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 03:37:18 PM
There's a great quote from Keynes or JK Galbraith that I can never find, but goes something like this:

"Imagine a man named James Miller.  A million people lose their jobs, and Mr. Miller is among them.  Nobody would think to accuse Mr. Miller of being responsible for one million people being put out of a job, but many will blame him for his own circumstance."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 29, 2011, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on November 29, 2011, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 29, 2011, 02:09:29 PM
Nobody is 'pro-abortion'.
I am.  I think there's a lot of cases where an abortion is warranted and justified.

Most definitely.

It's the new conservative wordspin of changing pro-choice to pro-abortion. It sounds more evil. Like saying 'Entitlement' instead of the proper term 'Earned Benefit'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 29, 2011, 04:08:59 PM
some people are just born to be screwed, and there's nothing we should do to help them!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 29, 2011, 04:28:23 PM
JD:  You're the one who said that any discussion of people's job prospects and circumstances beyond "if you don't like it, change it yourself" constituted "childish, emotional yammering."  Sounds like you might want to amend that slightly.

Oh, and coercion's most definitely a factor in who has access to capital and who doesn't.  Yes, even in a market economy.  What's backing all those private property laws?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 29, 2011, 04:40:50 PM
Whatever do you mean, Mandark?  Do you mean that people with the most liquid capital in a society basically make and enforce the rules upon everyone?  No effin way.  People earn dog shit and pay crazy tuition fees because they like to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 04:42:00 PM
can we get back to talking about Cainsplosion and STRATOSPHERIC NEWTMENTUM

Newt is like the Muppet Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk5rsIiK_eI) of Not-Romney Supporters

Perry + Bachman + Cain = NEWTMENTUM

Like the Power Rangers!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 29, 2011, 04:48:00 PM
Barack Obama is probably tweaking his nipples in joy at the mere thought of getting to run against Newt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 04:58:53 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 29, 2011, 04:48:00 PM
Barack Obama is probably tweaking his nipples in joy at the mere thought of getting to run against Newt.

No doubt - anyone who's been in politics as long as Newt must have some skeletons in his closet!

I hope Newt wins simply because he will have the same hilarious buyers remorse as every not-Mitt to date, but by then it will be TOO LATE because we thought he was a thinker and a statesman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 29, 2011, 05:24:14 PM
I think most of Newt's skeletons are pretty public at this point, barring some more "I was consulted as a historian and paid a lot of money because stfu that's why" type stuff.

Newt's biggest problem is that he is, or is at least perceived as a dick by about 50% of the voting public.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 29, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
Good news for him then- voters are distinguished mentally-challenged going by 2010s results
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 29, 2011, 06:12:00 PM
The Fannie/Freddie 'historian' thing didn't hurt him at all in the polls. Not surprising, though, considering just like the bank bailouts, most righties never gave a shit about it to begin with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 29, 2011, 06:16:40 PM
Btw, seems the Cain train is coming to its final stop. :(


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/195893-report-cain-qreassessingq-whether-to-stay-in-race

Herman  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2011, 07:56:31 PM
Hurry, someone donate a ton of money to his campaign so we can keep the lulz coming!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 29, 2011, 08:26:30 PM
NINE NINE NINE

NEVAR FORGET

 :'(    :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 29, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
JayDubya:  Just to clarify ... you do think your particular moral ruleset is better than total amorality, right?  It's not just preferential, right?  I mean, naturally being evil all of the time is better than being evil some of the time - I'm just trying to figure out how you rank evil vs lawful neutral or whatever it is you're supposed to subscribe to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 29, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
JayDubya:  Just to clarify ... you do think your particular moral ruleset is better than total amorality, right?  It's not just preferential, right?  I mean, naturally being evil all of the time is better than being evil some of the time - I'm just trying to figure out how you rank evil vs whatever it is you're supposed to subscribe to.

NOOOO you engaged him on the next page
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2011, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 29, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
JayDubya:  Just to clarify ... you do think your particular moral ruleset is better than total amorality, right?  It's not just preferential, right?  I mean, naturally being evil all of the time is better than being evil some of the time - I'm just trying to figure out how you rank evil vs whatever it is you're supposed to subscribe to.

NOOOO you engaged him on the next page

The Bore equivalent of "hey grandpa, what were you saying about the Japanese last Christmas, I forgot"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 29, 2011, 10:32:56 PM
http://pinups4ronpaul.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 29, 2011, 10:33:41 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 29, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 29, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
JayDubya:  Just to clarify ... you do think your particular moral ruleset is better than total amorality, right?  It's not just preferential, right?  I mean, naturally being evil all of the time is better than being evil some of the time - I'm just trying to figure out how you rank evil vs whatever it is you're supposed to subscribe to.

NOOOO you engaged him on the next page

it's my fault, i had to push the 'bortion button when i saw his name
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 30, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
Deja Vu.....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 30, 2011, 10:24:11 AM
ANYWAY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 30, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 30, 2011, 10:44:04 AM
I think I know JayDubya's favorite wizard of oz character.

the yellow brick road?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2011, 12:31:57 PM
Oh, that JD, confusing the positive with the normative again.  What a silly goose!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 30, 2011, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 30, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 30, 2011, 10:44:04 AM
I think I know JayDubya's favorite wizard of oz character.

the yellow brick road?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz#The_Gold_Standard_representation_of_the_story
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 30, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 30, 2011, 10:44:04 AM
I think I know JayDubya's favorite wizard of oz character.

the yellow brick road?

Snap!  I don't care if you keep changing your name, Methodis, that post is streets ahead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 30, 2011, 12:42:12 PM
It's Chipopo/My Fucking Grandpa  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2011, 12:42:52 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 30, 2011, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: Spencer on November 30, 2011, 10:44:04 AM
I think I know JayDubya's favorite wizard of oz character.

the yellow brick road?
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2011, 12:47:16 PM
Poor Chipopo  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2011, 01:16:48 PM
Horse slaughter is now legal! :rock

Obama the horse slayer! :bow2

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"This was one clause in an 80 page bill, which CONGRESS passed with an veto proof majority and signing it was necessary to keep lots of necessary programs funded (like the USDA), it also does not provide any funds for USDA inspection of horse meat facilities without which the meat cannot be sold in the US for human consumption, so actually nothing will really change. It's just more politics as usual..... Again, it's congresses bill and it's just pork that some special interest group got a senator or congressman to sneak into an important bill which needed to be passed for important programs to be funded...... Not the Presidents idea.... If you want to do something constructive about it, find out who put the amendment into the bill and lobby to have it removed."
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2011, 02:05:01 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups
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The Newt Gingrich surge has moved him to the top of the polls in Iowa, big gains in New Hampshire and now a two-point edge over President Obama in a hypothetical general election match-up.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters finds Gingrich attracting 45% of the vote while President Obama earns support from 43%. Six percent (6%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Last week,  Gingrich trailed the president by six. Two weeks ago,  he was down by twelve.

...

In both states, more than 70% of GOP caucus or primary voters see Romney and Gingrich as qualified to be president. No other candidate comes close.
lol at this

At least we'll be safe from the radical Muslim (like our Kenyan President) plot to turn America into a secular nation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2011, 02:14:52 PM
please god, PLEASE let republicans nominate Newt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on November 30, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I can't imagine anything more amazing than Newt Gingrich as the nominee. I can't believe its actually a possibility. It's too good to be true. It has to be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 30, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on November 30, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I can't imagine anything more amazing than Newt Gingrich as the nominee. I can't believe its actually a possibility. It's too good to be true. It has to be.

if they do, the best part won't be the election, it will be the sinking feeling between the nomination and the general realization that they just nominated NEWT GINGRICH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
I'm gonna miss Cain

(http://a.yfrog.com/img740/9310/mj25.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 30, 2011, 05:10:28 PM
Where's Libya.

edit:

(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/121704/getajob720.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 30, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
http://politicalinsights.sandbox.yahoo.com/?q=obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 30, 2011, 07:03:36 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on November 30, 2011, 02:05:01 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/2012_presidential_matchups
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The Newt Gingrich surge has moved him to the top of the polls in Iowa, big gains in New Hampshire and now a two-point edge over President Obama in a hypothetical general election match-up.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters finds Gingrich attracting 45% of the vote while President Obama earns support from 43%. Six percent (6%) prefer some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Last week,  Gingrich trailed the president by six. Two weeks ago,  he was down by twelve.

...

In both states, more than 70% of GOP caucus or primary voters see Romney and Gingrich as qualified to be president. No other candidate comes close.
lol at this

At least we'll be safe from the radical Muslim (like our Kenyan President) plot to turn America into a secular nation.

Rasmussen is not credible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 30, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on November 30, 2011, 09:10:17 AM
Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 29, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
JayDubya:  Just to clarify ... you do think your particular moral ruleset is better than total amorality, right?  It's not just preferential, right?  I mean, naturally being evil all of the time is better than being evil some of the time - I'm just trying to figure out how you rank evil vs lawful neutral or whatever it is you're supposed to subscribe to.

So... I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say.

It's obviously something about ethics theory, put in D&D terms. Since on some level as a gamer geek this appeals to me, I'll give it a go, why the hell not. 

Semantically, amorality is neutrality, not evil - which would be immorality. 

To super-simplify things (which is needed to avoid a bazillion esoteric tangents), "evil" lies in aggressively hurting others.  "Good" lies in helping others.  Broadly, both assertions are talking about actions you're doing of your own free will; with coerced action, the moral implications are largely muted and often eliminated altogether.

"Neutral" is neither helping nor hurting; it's usually just someone acting in their own self-interest.

"Lawful Neutral," as you put it, tends to reflect the majority: whether they believe the laws are just or they simply don't want the punishments, most folks obey the law, and don't go out of their way to help or hurt others.  Good is still commendable, but there's nothing wrong or contemptible with neutral.

Thanks for responding but you didn't answer my question, you just explained the alignment rules of Dungeons and Dragons.  Do you think your moral ruleset is better than total amorality?  And why?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 30, 2011, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on November 30, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I can't imagine anything more amazing than Newt Gingrich as the nominee. I can't believe its actually a possibility. It's too good to be true. It has to be.

I'm going to try to see if it is possible to get in the Republican primaries to vote for Gingrich or whoever the not Mitt Romney flavor of the month is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 30, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
Anybody seen the Republican counter proposal for the payroll tax cut? Its surprisingly not completely insane! I say completely because they actually want an additional line on the tax forms for billionaires like Buffet where they can donate money to the IRS if they think they should pay more in taxes. Lol!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 30, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 30, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
Anybody seen the Republican counter proposal for the payroll tax cut? Its surprisingly not completely insane! I say completely because they actually want an additional line on the tax forms for billionaires like Buffet where they can donate money to the IRS if they think they should pay more in taxes. Lol!

That or direct them here:

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 30, 2011, 09:03:31 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 30, 2011, 08:29:08 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 30, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
Anybody seen the Republican counter proposal for the payroll tax cut? Its surprisingly not completely insane! I say completely because they actually want an additional line on the tax forms for billionaires like Buffet where they can donate money to the IRS if they think they should pay more in taxes. Lol!

That or direct them here:

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454

the US Government has a kickstarter page?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2011, 09:41:16 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/69460.html
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Newt Gingrich, who has often blasted the press for "stupid," "gotcha" or insider questions, focused closely on process in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News tonight.

Via ABC News, which was given a partial transcript, Gingrich listed his accomplishments this way:

“I helped Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp develop supply side economics. I helped lead the effort to defeat communism in the Congress.”

He also made clear he's stunned by his own success now:

“Whereas I would have thought originally it was going to be Mitt and not-Mitt, I think it’s going to — it may turn out to be Newt and not-Newt,” Gingrich tells Hannity, according to excerpts of the interview. “And that’s a very different formula than, frankly — I mean we’re having to redesign our campaign strategy because we’re at least 60 days ahead of where I thought we’d be.”

The country, he argued, is "talking to itself" and there's only one cure: More Newt.

And now he's got a video from Ron Paul like Perry and Romney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWKTOCP45zY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 30, 2011, 09:47:12 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 30, 2011, 08:06:16 PM
Anybody seen the Republican counter proposal for the payroll tax cut? Its surprisingly not completely insane! I say completely because they actually want an additional line on the tax forms for billionaires like Buffet where they can donate money to the IRS if they think they should pay more in taxes. Lol!

What are the non-insane components?

Susan Collins surprisingly said she's open to some tax increases, but pretty sure she'll back off if it came to a vote:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/johanns-sees-change-in-mood-for-tax-increase/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2011, 10:35:15 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on November 30, 2011, 10:09:50 PM
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Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, said Tuesday that she had formulated a plan to pay for the extension of a payroll tax holiday for American workers with a tax increase on high earners that carved out employers, so they would not be hit with higher rates.

If we're going to exempt the actual job-creators, there's really no excuse not to pass this.

RED ROVER RED ROVER
SEND GROVER RIGHT OVER

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2011, 11:21:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
I'm gonna miss Cain

(http://a.yfrog.com/img740/9310/mj25.jpg)

When Herman Cain looks at the world, he does so using Batman's detective mode.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 12:15:33 AM
Quote from: Green Man on December 01, 2011, 12:05:59 AM
Is danger and opportunity code for "Invade and pillage"?

Considering it's Cain, I'm guessing it translates to "might be undercover"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: Green Man on December 01, 2011, 12:05:59 AM
Is danger and opportunity code for "Invade and pillage"?
In other words, Egypt is as tall as his wife but they might go complain to HR.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 12:29:55 AM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6432780643_8d3d7b47f4.jpg)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/11/30/frontiers_of_disturbing_herman_cain_merchandise.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 03:50:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Vu1JO5AHQ
 :lol at the leg cross and stuff around 30 seconds in

Saw other clips on Red Eye, Mitt didn't really seem to be enjoying himself in any part of the interview. Don't know if it has to do with them doing it in a Sam's Club/CostCo or wherever the fuck that is though.

EDIT: Guess this is the full interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VyBx2WijOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIuwNnAWIU

Also, make sure to pick up your Ron Paul Family Cookbook:
(http://images.politico.com/global/blogs/Ron%20Paul%20Cookbook_465.jpg)
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/store/miscellaneous/the-2012-ron-paul-family-cookbook/
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The eagerly anticipated new Ron Paul Family Cookbook is finally here!
Featuring 28 pages of tasty recipes from the Paul family and friends, this much-in-demand and collectible cookbook will “warm your kitchen and your heart.” Packed full of photos of the entire Paul family, the book also includes Carol Paul’s “The American Dream” which briefly recounts the history of Ron Paul and the Paul Family.

Share copies of the Ron Paul Family Cookbook with your family and friends this Christmas. The Cookbook makes a great holiday gift! And plan to use the cookbook as one of the best campaign handouts you will ever find.
Just $8! (Or less for more copies!)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 04:20:47 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 30, 2011, 08:05:39 PM
I'm going to try to see if it is possible to get in the Republican primaries to vote for Gingrich or whoever the not Mitt Romney flavor of the month is.
Forgot about this earlier but you just need to check about your state. Michigan for example you can vote in any primary you want but only one of them. Other states you have to register with a party, some let you register Republican, vote, then unregister immediately, others make you stay registered for a year or cycle. (Which isn't a huge deal depending on how often you want to vote in primaries, but will get you some fun mail. Forever.) You can probably find it pretty easily if you look at either the state or in this case the Republican party's websites. In most instances where you can't just pick whatever you just have to register with the party until after the primary.

Since I know we have some people still trapped in Michigan if you want to vote in the Republican primary you don't have to do anything, just go in and vote only in Republican parts on the ballot. If you vote in anything else it'll invalidate or hold the ballot. (IIRC, the machines will automatically do this now and it may alert so you can get a new ballot if you do screw up. They were talking about this but I don't remember if they actually went through with it.) You can still vote in Democratic primaries or any others any other time you go to the polls, you just get one primary per ballot. And Republicans claim to hate it. They're convinced McCain's wins are due to Democrats crashing the primary polls, and they want to change it and have for like twenty years but I guess they never get around to it or something. I assume it must be more some kind of State GOP and Federal GOP dispute. I mean, the State GOP kept thinking Saul Anuzis was qualified to do, well anything.

EDIT: oops, dp
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 01, 2011, 05:12:09 AM
In NC you could be registered as an Independent and vote in one or the other, but now I'm pretty sure you have to be registered as a Republican, which means that if there's any feasible chance of voting for a shitty candidate when our primary rolls around in early May then I will be changing my registration in order to vote for Newt or whoever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 07:00:51 AM
Well, I'm technically a libertarian (SPLINTER! etc.) and I think I've been clear and open about that on here. (And can't speak for the "movement" or "family" as too many of them are exactly as Van and others describe them, which is basically all political groups especially online*.) And Ron Paul isn't my guy, he's my second guy after Gary Johnson if I waste time to vote in the primaries. (I vote third party in general for ballot status. And don't ever vote Libertarian.)

However, to really simplify my perspective, and I don't necessarily want to argue it extensively even though I could and would, but because I like you guys and would rather be laid back, snark at the stupidity of the 2012 Rethuglicans and talk horse race crap than get into long-winded fights about ideology that won't convince either side and just annoy everyone. But I would be more than happy to answer any questions about us outliers who also control everything and cause all the problems of the world through our Kochs.

I guess I'll start with this quote:
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Imagine: any problem that has ever existed - we can solve it together.
What is the alternative? That we must use force, jailing or murdering some segment of people to force them to "solve the problem"? If we cannot voluntarily choose to work together to meet all our demands as best we can, then why should some be allowed to enslave others, no matter how partial, to service only the demands of a few?

Essentially I would argue that central planning doesn't work, no matter how "small" because of lack of price signals and other information, and that an expansive, complex and increasingly arbitrary regulatory state only serves to increase costs and consolidate private actors into large firms, and this all assists cronyism and corruption and that ultimately it necessitates an even larger correction within the market.

The market is all of us trading voluntarily to try and meet each others demands. Central planning replaces actual demands with political incentives which distort prices and lead to misallocation of resources.

And I do get the other perspectives, I am especially bombarded with it constantly, I even understand your quite green metaphor, I just don't buy that explanation or the others along similar lines. The logic doesn't work for me. I don't think "most of us would be better off" instead it would just throw greater and greater power and capability to the elite.

Don't worry though, none of us in the libertarian family matter. We're just here to either rub it in your face when we're right and the hellscape happens or enjoy the paradise when we're wrong.

We do pop out of the monster closets and pull the levers that derail the otherwise functioning system though. I had this duty last weekend and while you get all the mint juleps you want. That's all you get.

I apologize if people are annoyed with this type of stuff or any discussions of the irrelevant ideological family.

Please instead watch Mitt Romney angrily cross his legs above.

And make sure to purchase 11-15 copies of the Ron Paul Family Cookbook at a special discount.

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* I put this here just incase anyone actually wonders. But I have personally witnessed "libertarians" who feel we need to militarize the borders and invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc. slaughtering as many citizens as possible. And others who have advocated to round up hispanics until we check each one for legal status. Actually, most of these, especially the former, are Objectivists. And I think we can all agree, everyone in the world, that Objectivists are the worst people of all.

But there is this one guy who posts everywhere that I can't think of his site now but is convinced to be a "true libertarian" you support increased defense spending and invasions, increased Medicare, no immigration, 500% tariffs on all foreign goods and slaughter brown people until they submit to American will. And that voting for Ron Paul over Rick Perry will destroy the country.

So that's fun.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 01, 2011, 07:15:27 AM
Great article on Republican dumbosity:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,800850,00.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 07:31:57 AM
I still don't get why THESE are the candidates.

Obama was never going to really lose, but it's not like there isn't a good chance if things break properly, why did none of the "powers" get in? Palin, Christie, Jindal, or Rubio probably could have run roughshod all over this field. And the latter three probably have as good as shot as Romney does at beating Obama. If say Romney wins, you're waiting until 2020?

It's why I think Pawlenty still bailed too early. GOP doesn't like Huntsman and it appears they might know Santorum isn't an option, despite all our wishes, and Paul would never be. This would be where everyone just settles for Pawlenty.

Unless we buy the one GOP theory that 2013-2016 is a lost cause so you go for the "permanent majority" and "split ticket" while not telling your Presidential candidates. (Or telling only some?) As the field has continued to suck I've seen talk of repeating 1994-2000, with R Congress vs. D President. And THEN in 2016 you get the good candidates. Nine or ten Reagans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on December 01, 2011, 08:27:07 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on December 01, 2011, 07:56:06 AM
Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 30, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
Do you think your moral ruleset is better than total amorality?  And why?

You're asking me if I think the fairly standard "moral ruleset" of "helping people is commendable" and "aggressively hurting people is contemptible" is better than "total amorality?"

Yes, I'd say so.

Ok, but you didn't say why.  I know it's kind of shitty to, out of nowhere, ask short questions that require involved answers so imma make this post longer.  See you at the end!
I am sincerely interested in what your answers are, but it's probably better that I tell you up front that I am highly incredulous, and have already pretty much made up my mind that you're not gonna be able to answer satisfactorily without slipping out of deontological ethics and blowing the whole thing.  I say this in the interest of full disclosure so you can make an informed decision over whether to indulge my question or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2011, 10:03:47 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 03:50:23 AM
Also, make sure to pick up your Ron Paul Family Cookbook:
(http://images.politico.com/global/blogs/Ron%20Paul%20Cookbook_465.jpg)
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/store/miscellaneous/the-2012-ron-paul-family-cookbook/
Quote
The eagerly anticipated new Ron Paul Family Cookbook is finally here!
Featuring 28 pages of tasty recipes from the Paul family and friends, this much-in-demand and collectible cookbook will “warm your kitchen and your heart.” Packed full of photos of the entire Paul family, the book also includes Carol Paul’s “The American Dream” which briefly recounts the history of Ron Paul and the Paul Family.

Share copies of the Ron Paul Family Cookbook with your family and friends this Christmas. The Cookbook makes a great holiday gift! And plan to use the cookbook as one of the best campaign handouts you will ever find.
Just $8! (Or less for more copies!)

(http://i.imgur.com/qBhtw.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2011, 10:27:07 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2011, 12:46:56 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2011, 03:30:00 PM
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388229_2799565511912_1341753290_33151486_845955461_n.jpg)

My FB stream doesn't disappoint.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2011, 03:44:41 PM
So the heeee-larious Robin-You Hood pun would look more intact, I guess?  I want to know why the "S" in "WORKERS" is trying to make a break for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 04:41:37 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 01, 2011, 03:47:25 PM
It also directs you to a myspace page :lol

One of the many businesses to suffer during the reign of Nobama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 01, 2011, 06:37:19 PM
Republican Jewish Coalition Bars Ron Paul From Presidential Debate, Saying He's Too "misguided and extreme"

http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/01/republican-jewish-coalition-bars-ron-pau
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 01, 2011, 08:41:33 PM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/bachmann-suggests-intelligent-design-scienti

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During a question-and-answer session at the University of Northern Iowa Wednesday, Bachmann was asked if intelligent design should be taught as science in public schools.

"I think that all science should be on the table," the candidate explained. "I think the one thing we do not want to have is censorship by government."

"I do believe that God created the Earth," she continued. "And I believe there are issues that need to be addressed -- the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the issue of irreducible complexity, the dearth of fossil record."


Jaydubya, I have a question that's tangentially related to this, and I'm asking you specifically, being that you're one of the few libertarians on the bore.

Are you rich? I ask, cause Bill Maher wondered something a good while back, that's stuck with me. He said that he understands why the 1% votes Republican, but not why the other 99% do. Obviously, I get why the religious set does, but this is a question specifically for the libertarians. I figure the latter doesn't really care too much about social issues (god, guns and gheys), and at least has SOME appreciation for science (at least moreso than the former group).

In other words, what would (generally) tip the scale for an average libertarian to vote for a Republican*, someone like Bachmann, would be primarily monetary based. My question is, at what point do you think that the costs of the money that you save from smaller government would be worth the cost of having a bunch of Bachmanns running around in government, dictating things like science policy? Is a few hundred or thousand bucks really worth it to let people like her replace every doctor/scientist at the CDC with priests and ministers?


*I actually don't know whether you've voted for Republicans in the past, I'm just assuming based on arguments in the past, that if it came down to it, you'd probably go with the Rs, rather than the Ds. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but that's the impression I get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 09:01:43 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on December 01, 2011, 06:37:19 PM
Republican Jewish Coalition Bars Ron Paul From Presidential Debate, Saying He's Too "misguided and extreme"

http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/01/republican-jewish-coalition-bars-ron-pau

Explain your peoples, Mandark
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2011, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 04:20:47 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 30, 2011, 08:05:39 PM
I'm going to try to see if it is possible to get in the Republican primaries to vote for Gingrich or whoever the not Mitt Romney flavor of the month is.
Forgot about this earlier but you just need to check about your state. Michigan for example you can vote in any primary you want but only one of them. Other states you have to register with a party, some let you register Republican, vote, then unregister immediately, others make you stay registered for a year or cycle. (Which isn't a huge deal depending on how often you want to vote in primaries, but will get you some fun mail. Forever.) You can probably find it pretty easily if you look at either the state or in this case the Republican party's websites. In most instances where you can't just pick whatever you just have to register with the party until after the primary.

Since I know we have some people still trapped in Michigan if you want to vote in the Republican primary you don't have to do anything, just go in and vote only in Republican parts on the ballot. If you vote in anything else it'll invalidate or hold the ballot. (IIRC, the machines will automatically do this now and it may alert so you can get a new ballot if you do screw up. They were talking about this but I don't remember if they actually went through with it.) You can still vote in Democratic primaries or any others any other time you go to the polls, you just get one primary per ballot. And Republicans claim to hate it. They're convinced McCain's wins are due to Democrats crashing the primary polls, and they want to change it and have for like twenty years but I guess they never get around to it or something. I assume it must be more some kind of State GOP and Federal GOP dispute. I mean, the State GOP kept thinking Saul Anuzis was qualified to do, well anything.

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I'm having some difficulty finding the requirements.  I'm in Iowa so I want to make sure I vote for the shittiest flavor of the month not-Mitt Romney GOP primary leader.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAIN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-12-01-18-29-14
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Herman Cain is still campaigning for president. But by most measures, his White House bid is all but over. His standing in polls is cratering. Supporters are wavering if not fleeing. Fundraising is suffering.

And, these days, the former pizza company executive is less a serious candidate than the butt of late-night comedy jokes after a string of accusations of sexually inappropriate behavior and, now, an allegation of a 13-yearlong extramarital affair.

"His chance at winning the presidency are effectively zero," said Dave Welch, a Republican strategist who worked on both of John McCain's presidential bids.

And Republican strategist Kellyanne Conway said: "It's the daily dose of the wince-and-cringe factor that leaves people wondering what could be coming next,"

As it has since Ginger White stepped forward Monday, the allegation of an affair overshadowed Cain's campaign for another day Thursday, when he told the New Hampshire Union Leader that his wife, Gloria, did not know he was providing the 46-year-old Atlanta-area businesswoman with money for "month-to-month bills and expenses."
Whoops!

But really, it's easy to forget that kind of thing. How can one man keep track of all the women he's paying or has paid money to in order to keep them quiet?

Quote from: The Experiment on December 01, 2011, 09:14:47 PM
I'm having some difficulty finding the requirements.  I'm in Iowa so I want to make sure I vote for the shittiest flavor of the month not-Mitt Romney GOP primary leader.
It appears you can just show up at the Caucus on Jan 3rd, register as a Republican and participate, I haven't found anything to contradict that information:
http://iowagop.org/caucus/findmycaucus.php
https://www.sos.state.ia.us/elections/voterreg/pollingplace/search.aspx

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
Thanks.  I'm going to go to the GOP primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 09:59:21 PM
Voting in a caucus can be kind of tough. You'll have to stand around for a bit, then get herded to whatever candidate you're supporting; you don't just fill out a ballot and waltz out the door.

Vote for Gingrich!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 10:05:35 PM
Yeah, caucuses are different and they do all sorts of useless party crap to go do with the eventual voting. They always get new people though so you probably wouldn't be the only one just there to vote for President with no interest in the other hours of crap.

Plus you get to watch all the Junior and College Republicans hustle around like they're accomplishing something of value.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 10:11:49 PM
I don't understand why states with such large populations of old people decided to make voting so uncomfortable and inconvenient. Bah, but on the other hand old people have enough time on their hands to be inconvenienced and uncomfortable, whereas someone with a job, in school, or with small kids don't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 01, 2011, 10:14:19 PM
I went to the Iowa Democrat caucus in 2008 for Obama.  It was a weird and obnoxious process.  I figure I can weather this one fine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 10:17:55 PM
It's a reason to get together and force people to talk to them. If you go to most any non-urban (and even most of those, you just need large slacks in voting period) polling place during non-rush hours like mid-morning or afternoon it'll just be a bunch of old timers standing and sitting around chatting about their medical problems and families. With the one or two younger then elderly pollworkers sitting there with a dead look in their eyes wishing for democracy to end.
Quote from: The Experiment on December 01, 2011, 10:14:19 PM
I went to the Iowa Democrat caucus in 2008 for Obama.  It was a weird and obnoxious process.  I figure I can weather this one fine.
Ahh, yeah, shouldn't be too different from that in terms of process then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on December 01, 2011, 10:14:19 PM
I went to the Iowa Democrat caucus in 2008 for Obama.  It was a weird and obnoxious process.  I figure I can weather this one fine.

Damn, that must have been packed as fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 10:30:31 PM
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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has surged to the largest national lead held by any candidate so far in the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary Voters finds Gingrich on top with 38% of the vote. Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is a distant second at 17%. No other candidate reaches double-digits. 
What.

Cain is down to 8%, Perry down to 4%. Santorum has SURGED to 4%. Huntsman at 3% in a couple polls now (This, CNN, FOX, PPP).

"Gingrich +21" looks so weird.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 01, 2011, 10:42:17 PM
apparently, Republicans have glommed onto the whole "flavor of the month" nature of their political process and are getting far more efficient about it~
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2011, 10:47:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCa8i8DTuv0

The perfect description of Romney. His disastrous Fox interview exposes him in a way I'm not used to seeing. In 2008 he looked and sounded very awkward. He still seems awkward today, but is better on stage, is quick on his feet, etc. Yet he fumbles hard whenever hes forced to go off message.

It's like he feels entitled to the nomination and is genuinely upset republicans still don't like him. Republican politics are usually dominated with a "who's next in line" hierarchy, and in many ways Romney IS that next in line candidate. But...nobody likes him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd8KQDMZ21w
"Don't run away, I'll shake your hand!"  :rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=065KC3EhY60
 :lol

Bonus Santorum ad from 1994:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6_bbeUG1GQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 01, 2011, 11:05:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YPSqSKt1RY

Well, that settles that. Nothing to see here people, move along.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 01, 2011, 11:11:58 PM
Class warfare if I ever saw it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2011, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 01, 2011, 11:05:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YPSqSKt1RY

Well, that settles that. Nothing to see here people, move along.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2011, 11:20:49 PM
Full clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fzVnOU5dwc

Why is "male" marked when she's talking?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 02, 2011, 12:45:31 PM
(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/12/Women-For-Cain-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg)

"HNNG HNNG HNNG"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 02, 2011, 12:55:31 PM
Women for Cain? Hasn't he had enough already?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2011, 01:16:51 PM
^
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=55735777



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Gloria Cain Wants Her Husband to Exit Race
Sources close to Herman Cain's presidential campaign tell the Daily Beast that Gloria Cain "wants her husband to leave the race and has no desire to do additional interviews about their marriage or the constant accusations. They describe a woman angry that her life has been turned upside down by her husband's need for attention and power by any means."

However, several people "said they believe Cain will do what's best for him and not his family in deciding whether he'll leave the race."

The Cains are reportedly talking face-to-face today for the first time since a woman publicly said she had a 13 year affair with Cain.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/02/gloria_cain_wants_her_husband_to_exit_race.html

Well, that's that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
I do kinda feel sorry for Herman Cain, to have his wife find out about a lifetime of dirty laundry when it's suddenly aired in public over the course of several weeks. Only a little bit, though, because it's clear he brought this on himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2011, 01:36:42 PM
The only person possibly worth feeling sorry for is his wife. He's apparently cheated on her for years. Although this article suggest she has known about him having girlfriends for some time
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/02/herman-gloria-cains-probl_n_1125626.html

So maybe she was ok with it as long as their dirty laundry wasn't being aired in public.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 02, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
To me, this just confirms that Cain was in it for book sales and to increase his profile and standing amongst the wingnutterati.  He probably thought, "I'll sell some books, make some money, drop out and no one will ever know about all this shit.  I mean, it's not like I'm ever gonna get frontrunner level scrutiny, right?  NINE NINE NINE!"

Oops!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2011, 02:30:13 PM
I can't go that far. I consider it far more plausible a lot of these guys think they're invincible, especially if they start doing well in debates and polls.

I mean shit, look at what John Edwards was doing four years ago. Having children with other women while your wife is dying from cancer is just really bad press, BUT then running on how devoted you are to your wife and how she called on you to run for President because of how it important it is? And involving campaign staffers? How the fuck do you expect this to go?

Look at how Cain has done everything else, answering foreign policy "ASK THE EXPERTS DUH!", the 9-9-9 plan was just basic and then within days he was altering it by the advice of his "adviser" he was sending the media to for answers to create new tax breaks and deductions and blah blah blah. I'm sure a GOP person unleashed the "womyns" on Cain once he got up high the polls because they knew even though most of these were hardly damaging he could never respond. The first sexual harassment things he could have come out and said "these were misunderstandings, we did not want to get caught up with all these terrible sexual harassment witch-hunts so we handled the problem to the satisfaction of all parties." Instead he spent a day denying they happened, then his campaign said they did, and he came around to it eventually saying he knew but not really, then that he did. And they thought they could keep a woman he's been paying off for years to not come out or someone to find out? After the damage done from those earlier accusations?

Then again, maybe Cain WAS in it for that. But then he started pulling ahead. That's entirely plausible. I just can't think they're this foresighted. I think Sarah Palin did intend to gear up for a 2012 run until she started making the money she is and someone explained to her just what a Presidential run would cost. Her family is probably more than set for life now and she still has another decade or so of dickteasing the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 02, 2011, 02:52:22 PM
Apparently Cain is going to make it official Saturday he is droping out of the race for the Republican nomination.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/02/9169851-cain-to-make-major-announcement-saturday

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2011, 03:12:07 PM
JUST LIKE HISTORY! http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/12/02/romney_declines_lincoln-douglas_debate_against_gingrich_112265.html
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With the Republican presidential primary appearing to have narrowed into a two-man contest, Human Events and Red State moved quickly to lock down a date for a Lincoln-Douglas-style debate between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.

The two organizations went so far this past Monday as to firm up the Annenberg Theater at the Newseum in Washington as the venue on Dec. 19 after another debate originally scheduled that day was canceled. For its part, the Newseum was excited to host the pre-primary forum.

There was just one problem. While Gingrich was ready to take his place on the stage, the Romney campaign politely declined in a series of mostly e-mail exchanges.

As Joe Guerriero, publisher of Human Events and Red State, put it to RCP: “Newt was all over it, and the Romney camp basically said no. It wasn’t a harsh no, but it was a no.”

A Gingrich spokesman confirmed to RCP that the candidate was interested and accepted the invitation, but a Romney spokeswoman didn’t return a request for comment.

Guerriero explained that the impetus for the debate was this: Romney has long been presumed to be the nominee. But with Gingrich surging in the polls, why shouldn’t the Republican base get a chance to see the two top candidates go toe-to-toe?

“No disrespect to any of the other candidates,” Guerriero said, but given the state of the country, the economy, and the race to date, if Romney is to be the nominee, "he needs to go against the best debater with the deepest understanding of policy both domestic and foreign, and that appears to be Newt Gingrich.”
...
He continued, “It looks like Newt’s made a real run at this, and the Romney camp is trying to run out the clock, and we don’t think that’s necessarily a wise strategy.” Instead, he said, the base should be able to see the top candidates answer the tough questions that these conservative publications don’t believe are being asked.

Going forward, Guerriero said, they have asked the candidates if they would agree to such a debate after the first few primary contests. Gingrich, he said, “is itching to do it,” but the Romney campaign “has been more circumspect.”
Title: Like a late Christmas Present
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 02, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
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Donald Trump is pairing up with Newsmax, the conservative magazine and news Web site, to moderate a presidential debate in Des Moines on Dec. 27.

“Our readers and the grass roots really love Trump,” said Christopher Ruddy, chief executive of Newsmax Media. “They may not agree with
him on everything, but they don’t see him as owned by the Washington establishment, the media establishment.”

Mr. Trump’s role in the debate, which will be broadcast on the cable network Ion Television, is sure to be one of the more memorable moments in a primary season that has already delivered its fair share of circus-like spectacle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 02, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
“Our readers and the grass roots really love Trump,” said Christopher Ruddy, chief executive of Newsmax Media. “They may not agree with
him on everything, but they don’t see him as owned by the Washington establishment, the media establishment.”

No, he's just a filthy-rich businessman born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Very relatable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2011, 03:33:25 PM
Wait, you mean you aren't kept afloat by a decade long network TV show that lets you pimp the failing businesses of yourself and your daughter along with any other advertising that agrees?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 02, 2011, 03:48:19 PM
A rich guy with his own TV show isn't part of the media establishment?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 02, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
(http://images.politico.com/global//blogs/AP111201038952.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2011, 05:49:03 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 02, 2011, 04:04:08 PM
The Republican confusion over the payroll tax cut is hilarious.

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God I hope they pass it.  As someone who benefits from both sides I would love this
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Yup, it includes an employer cut as well as the employee cut extension.

The funniest thing is watching republicans go on record that only democratic tax cuts apparently need to be paid for.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2011, 06:47:50 PM
http://www.menforcain.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2011, 07:14:45 PM
So....the unemployment rate dropped to 8.6% I hear. Considering that's not been plastered on this page, I'm going to assume it's one of those technical adjustment type situations?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
Well, do you want the libertarian positions you've been asking for about? Or do you want the sensible posters who live in the real world?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2011, 07:28:09 PM
Also, too, Bachmann vs. High schooler:

http://gawker.com/5864280/hero-high-school-student-fights-michele-bachmann-over-gay-marriage?autoplay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2011, 07:43:05 PM
Seasonal hiring+lots of people leaving the work pool (not looking for jobs). There is good news in the report, such as the October numbers being revised up pretty high. But overall there are bad signs like the labor force participation rate dropped from 64.2 to 64 percent, meaning many people are giving up.

It's such a big drop that it's hard for republicans to make a stink, which is why overall media reactions are low imo. There are ways to look at the data negatively as I pointed out, but republicans don't seem interested in making those types of arguments. It's way easier to dominate the news cycle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s) when UE is stagnant or rising (ie "blame it on Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and government expansion!") than when a person can open up yahoo and see "UE falls to 8.6, down from 9%"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2011, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: Spencer on December 02, 2011, 02:07:28 PM
Well clearly I'm about to lose the bet if he drops out. I just ask if he drops out before the primaries that I not take my ban until after secret santa has completed.

The bet should be nullified, no one could have predicted all this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2011, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 02, 2011, 12:45:31 PM
(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/12/Women-For-Cain-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg)

"HNNG HNNG HNNG"

That shot with the women is AWESOME.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 03, 2011, 08:11:23 AM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 02, 2011, 05:35:35 PM
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it had to be done.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2011, 10:59:43 AM
No, it didn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2011, 12:43:33 PM
Sorry to disappoint, but mods/admins here don't enforce ban bets anyway, so I would just stop thinking about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 03, 2011, 05:20:48 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 02, 2011, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: Spencer on December 02, 2011, 02:07:28 PM
Well clearly I'm about to lose the bet if he drops out. I just ask if he drops out before the primaries that I not take my ban until after secret santa has completed.

The bet should be nullified, no one could have predicted all this
Spencer shouldn't have predicted he'd win a primary. Come on, you really thought he would?  :lol It was clear even long before the scandal he would burn out like Bachman and Perry. He didn't have a functioning campaign staff. Who was it that made the bet with you anyway? PD?

Well he dropped out and is meeting with Newt Gingrich next week. Haha Newt wants his endorsement. I remember PD and I made a ban bet with a bunch of people at GAF where we predicted Hillary would win both Ohio & Texas on GAF and it never got enforced.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 03, 2011, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2011, 07:43:05 PM
Seasonal hiring+lots of people leaving the work pool (not looking for jobs). There is good news in the report, such as the October numbers being revised up pretty high. But overall there are bad signs like the labor force participation rate dropped from 64.2 to 64 percent, meaning many people are giving up.

It's such a big drop that it's hard for republicans to make a stink, which is why overall media reactions are low imo. There are ways to look at the data negatively as I pointed out, but republicans don't seem interested in making those types of arguments. It's way easier to dominate the news cycle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s) when UE is stagnant or rising (ie "blame it on Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, and government expansion!") than when a person can open up yahoo and see "UE falls to 8.6, down from 9%"
Seasonal hiring shouldn't effect it much if at all. The reports are adjusted to compensate for that.

Also, another sign of good news was the amount of people who are underemployed dropped significantly as well. There are enough good points in the report to combat the bad points which is why the Republicans won't make a stink. Also, there's no easy way to to make a headline or audio clip that explains the report sufficiently for the average news reader to digest and understand the counterpoints without making the reader actually think. The spin would be too complicated for fox news
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2011, 06:16:27 PM
"If you're explaining, you're losing."  Sad, but pretty accurate.

Nobody's getting banned.  No admins signed on to the wager, and The Bore's got an informal policy of reacting to ban bets with a roll of the eyes and a jerking motion of the fist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 03, 2011, 06:52:20 PM
I think Herman Cain is the first presidential candidate in American history to name drop Pokemon in a concession/dropping-out speech:
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“I believe these words came from the Pokemon movie,” Cain said. “Life can be a challenge. Life can seem impossible. It’s never easy when there’s so much on the line. But you and I can make a difference. There’s a mission just for you and me.”

He continued: “Just look inside and you will find just what you can do.”

In
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2011, 07:13:55 PM
Yea Spencer, you won't be banned. Ban bets are more about annihilating each other and keeping things moving
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2011, 08:07:08 PM
Ban bets are boring. Both you guys should be banned for actually going ahead with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2011, 08:08:40 PM
Pretty sure I've never lost a ban bet here :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 03, 2011, 08:22:37 PM
Avatar bets are better. I mean, forcing a ban on someone and giving them more free time to do shit is actually a blessing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 03, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
ban bets are stupid. avatar/tag bets are awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2011, 08:56:11 PM
Yeah, just look at the avatar and tag Cruncheon got for losing a bet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 01:18:24 AM
There's something REALLY depressing about this:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/rumors-of-extramarital-affair-end-campaign-of-pres,26801/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 04, 2011, 02:42:54 AM
Another high tech lynching.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
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POLITICO Breaking News
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With just over a month to go, a new Des Moines Register poll of likely Iowa caucus voters released Saturday shows Newt Gingrich surging to first place, at 25 percent. Ron Paul is in second place, with 18 percent, while Mitt Romney has fallen to third place, at 16 percent. Michele Bachmann had 8 percent, as did Herman Cain, who suspended his campaign Saturday. Rick Perry and Rick Santorum were tied at 6 percent.
what is happening
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 04, 2011, 09:35:33 AM
I'm from Iowa and I'm going to be voting for Gingrich in the GOP caucus.  It's going to be awesome!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 04, 2011, 09:45:26 AM
Newtmentum :bow

He has just to survive and not self-implode for two more weeks then everyone shuts down for the holidays and then its Iowa.

Come on Newt, don't blow this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2011, 09:46:17 AM
If Romney loses NH he's done.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 04, 2011, 10:24:54 AM
Cnns latest poll has him down, but leading in NH and losing in fl, oh, and sc. If newt wins 3 of the 4 and is even close in NH I think Romney will have a problem.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 04, 2011, 11:25:32 AM
I'm conflicted because on the one hand a Newt candidacy means four more years of Obama, which is better than 4 years of Romney, and on the other hand oh my god our country has becomes its own satire. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 04, 2011, 11:58:45 AM
Are republicans even aware that they'd be throwing away the election if they nominate Newt? Do any of them actually think he can win?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
Sentiments I have seen is that they think Newt would crush Obama in the debates and make him look like a child.

A number of these same people were saying similar things about Cain a month ago. (Only that he would expose Obama as an Elitist Washington Insider rather than a child.)

Of course they also think anyone will beat Obama and no matter who it is wins at least like Reagan in 1980, and a good candidate wins like Reagan in 1984.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 04, 2011, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 04, 2011, 11:58:45 AM
Are republicans even aware that they'd be throwing away the election if they nominate Newt? Do any of them actually think he can win?

Most think that any "true conservative" will thump Obama at the polls.  RINO socialists like Romney and Huntsmann will lose to Obama.

http://www.people-press.org/2011/11/29/more-now-disagree-with-tea-party-%E2%80%93-even-in-tea-party-districts/?src=prc-headline

Here's a link that shows dropping teatard support.  While I don't see people being enthusiastic to go to the polls for Obama, he should be able to hold his own against Newt with a waning tea party movement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 03:02:04 PM
From what I've read they think even Romney will win, but that's why it's more important to defeat Romney since any GOP candidate will be winning.

One of the GOPers I know has been talking about how it will be a landslide for almost a year. (And this is the plurality view on a lot of sites.) I've asked him how that can be when despite Obama being down 7-10 points in approval (via RCP for example) he's crushing everyone but basically Romney and Paul by double figures head-to-head. (Until Gingrich this week.) He's convinced that once there's one candidate those numbers go up 5-10 points instantly and Obama fades to low 40s.

To the credit of the GOP, they seem to realize Romney is their Kerry and they are going to try all the damn options first.

NBC Polls:
Quote from: Iowa
Gingrich 26, Romney 18, Paul 17, Cain 9, Bachmann 5, Perry 9, Santorum 5, Huntsman 2
Quote from: NH
Romney 39, Gingrich 23, Paul 16, Huntsman 9, Cain 2, Perry 3, Bachmann 3, Santorum 1
Looks like it might be turning into Gingrich-Romney-Paul with fourth place being dependent on the state. Santorum in Iowa and Huntsman(!?!) in NH?

Who would have thought it'd be Romney battling to survive against Gingrich and Paul of all people. Is somebody checking on Tim Pawlenty? Hell, Thaddeus McCotter should have stayed in, if he had managed to get into some debates he would probably be at 15% now, guy is hilarious. Rudy, Huckabee, John Bolton have to be wishing they took the chance. Daniels probably wishes he had an explanation for that whole wife thing.

Huntsman apparently won't be in either of the next two debates. One by choice. Plus no Cain. FOX could at least let Roemer and Johnson in. (There was talk they'd let Johnson in again, which they probably would have had they known Cain would be gone for two weeks by then.) And kick Perry out. It'd help him more than if he was there.

Gingrich is the only person who is showing up to the Trump debate (Dec 27th) so far, Bachmann and Santorum are likely, but Paul and Huntsman have both said no. I bet Romney shows up if he keeps falling back.
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Trump responded, "Few people take Ron Paul seriously and many of his views and presentation make him a clown-like candidate, I am glad he and Jon Huntsman, who has inconsequential poll numbers or a chance of winning, will not be attending the debate and wasting the time of the viewers who are trying very hard to make a very important decision."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 04:03:46 PM
IF Gingrich can not fuck up at the December 10th debate he's basically at the first finish line. No one will be paying attention during the holidays, and Trump's circus debate is on the 27th meaning no one will be watching that either. Things will pick back up on January 2nd, and the race will most likely look as it did immediately after the December 10th debate. By that time Iowa will be days away.

I could see Romney coming in third in Iowa, much like Hillary did in 08.  He'll win NH, but Newt should take SC considering he'll be the southern son in the race. And considering Newt's support amongst the elderly, he could take Florida too. If that happens we'll have a true race on our hands. I still think it's hard to bet against Romney, but Gingrich might be able to pull this off if he doesn't ruin his own campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 04:30:58 PM
Just to note for reference:
Iowa is Jan 3rd.
NH is Jan 10th.
SC is Jan 21st.
Florida is Jan 31st.

And it's hard to see anyone but Gingrich, Romney and Paul plus one other "surprise" candidate surviving past Florida. (Say a Santorum or Bachmann who does well in Iowa, or if Huntsman can get up there in NH.)

I hope Gingrich bombs in both debates on the 10th and 15th in some horrible way or there's some unseen scandal because I want to see that two week scramble to find another candidate before Iowa.
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Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Let us take a minute to acknowledge the fact that there are "very serious people" in the media who think that Newt Gingrich could actual IMPROVE his electoral chances by getting the endorsement of Herman Cain.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And then take a minute to realize that such an endorsement in our current political environment may actual WORK.  :'(
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 04:59:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 04:30:58 PM
Just to note for reference:
Iowa is Jan 3rd.
NH is Jan 10th.
SC is Jan 21st.
Florida is Jan 31st.

And it's hard to see anyone but Gingrich, Romney and Paul plus one other "surprise" candidate surviving past Florida. (Say a Santorum or Bachmann who does well in Iowa, or if Huntsman can get up there in NH.)

I hope Gingrich bombs in both debates on the 10th and 15th in some horrible way or there's some unseen scandal because I want to see that two week scramble to find another candidate before Iowa.

There's no time though. If Gingrich bombs on the 10th or 15th, Paul or Romney win Iowa. Bachman had her boom/bust already, it's hard to see her getting another chance. Santorum could get a chance, but if he loses Iowa it's hard to see him staying in the race; he has no money.

Perry has enough money to last until Florida at the least, hoping for Gingrich to stumble; unfortunately for him, his social security comments will be brought up again, and I think he'll lose Florida pretty soundly. He could drop out after that and endorse Gingrich.

It's worth noting that Gingrich has a lot of potential endorsements on the table. He wrote the forward to Perry's book and is good friends with him. A Perry endorsement in Feburary would be great, with Super Tuesday (and Texas) a month away in March. Likewise the Alaska caucus is on Super Tuesday, and there are rumors she is leaning towards endorsing him. Then there's Santorum, a good friend of his who could help reassure social values voters that Gingrich is a changed man.

In short, Gingrich could unite much of the party against Romney. Social conservatives, the tea party activists, and perhaps even neoconservatives; we know McCain can't stand Romney, perhaps he'll jump on board on the Newtmentum train too. I'd imagine the Club For Growth/establishment types will stick with Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 04:59:59 PM
There's no time though. If Gingrich bombs on the 10th or 15th, Paul or Romney win Iowa.
This I think sends the GOP in two directions. If Paul wins Iowa, and Romney wins NH (which is almost assured currently) Gingrich then implodes. If Romney wins Iowa and NH, Gingrich is also doomed. He needs Iowa I think, if something derails him before Iowa there's the possibility.

If Newt loses, Romney wins. Paul is never going to win the nomination unless everyone else decides to share a plane and it crashes in Canada somewhere.

Santorums chance IS Iowa, if he wins there or say Paul wins and Santorum gets third that helps Santorum and hurts Newt. We'll see if he has a chance in the next couple weeks, if he starts surging like Huckabee and Edwards randomly did, I have to imagine that means something good in Iowa.

Perry is done. I can't think of anyone who entered a race and shot to a massive lead, then lost it in all the course of two weeks to become bottom tier and held on to win. Who is going to bother throwing more money at that disaster?

Endorsements, in my opinion, aren't that important in a setup like this (in Hillary v. Obama, yes), people will side with Newt because he's the anti-Romney but if Santorum or Paul do well enough they could derail that enough to give Romney the win. 

I still irrationally consider Santorum the dark horse if Republicans decide Romney won't cut enough taxes, Newt won't round up enough gays (reverse the last two depending on the week) and Paul won't kill enough foreigners. And I may only say that so I can yell "I TOLD YOU SO! I TOLD ALL OF YOU!" in a few weeks if it happens.

Newt obviously has the inside track if nothing changes this week probably. (And I've seen the change in the "I'm not a Republican but I'd vote for..." from Perry to Cain to Newt. They're adamant about no-Romney though.)

It's just weird. Weird. Weird. Weird.

It's 2012, not 1996.

And lots of humiliating Obama in the debates talk. I don't get where this comes from.

I'm pretty sure I could "dominate" the three Presidential debates with any of these candidates including Obama because I don't give a shit about winning votes. But apparently they still score these elections on that archaic system.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 04, 2011, 05:43:00 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 04, 2011, 04:17:48 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69642.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69642.html)

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A Democratic payroll tax-cut proposal, paid for with a millionaires’ surtax — opposed by Republicans because they say it would hurt the economy — also failed in the Senate on a 51-49 vote. The pair of Thursday night “show votes” suggests the two sides need to narrow their differences, Republicans said, and that McConnell tried to provide a GOP alternative that paid for the tax cut extension with cuts to the federal workforce, not tax hikes.

“The conference is united against the job-killing tax hike, and those who wanted to vote for a payroll tax cut extension did,” McConnell spokesman Don Stewart said Friday. When asked if the GOP vote resulted in a favorable outcome for Republicans, he replied: “There was a favorable outcome for the country that we didn’t pass a job killing tax hike.”

These people are morons.

How could a tax increase on personal income possibly kill more jobs than literally cutting jobs
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Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 05:52:49 PM
Well, theoretically there is a point where you could raise taxes to an extent that nobody can afford to buy things at a level it creates demand for new valuable jobs.

This was the more interesting part of the story as Congress has long been full of morons who vote for and against stupid things for stupid reasons especially meaningless votes:
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Not only did 26 out of the 47 Republicans in the Senate vote “no” Thursday night on a GOP version of the bill, McConnell’s top lieutenants bailed on him, including Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona, along with Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), John Cornyn (R-Texas) and John Thune (R-S.D.) — all members of leadership.

The lopsided 20-78 vote on McConnell’s version of the payroll tax dealt a rare but embarrassing blow to the Kentucky Republican, regarded as one of the smartest and most politically astute operatives on Capitol Hill. And it marks a setback for the longtime Washington insider as he tries to lay out the major differences between the two parties in his quest to become Senate majority leader in 2012.
I mean Politico considers Mitch McConnell to be "smart" and "astute" and people are talking about taxes?

I suppose, to be fair, they are comparing him to other "operatives on Capitol Hill."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 04, 2011, 06:53:13 PM
If Gingrinch bombs then Romney wins the nomination. There is no time for a alternative to arrise in time. I have read in polling Gingrich voters #2 choice is Romney, mostly because they have gone through and dismissed everyone else. Ron Paul voters are completely separate from everyone else, they will be voting Paul or no one at all. They are basically irrelevant to this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 04, 2011, 06:57:59 PM
IF Republicans truly believe that a millionaire surtax would kill jobs, and IF Republicans actually want to keep the economy stagnant to make things more difficult for Obama, shouldn't they acquiesce on the surtax and let the job losses mount? If your enemy wants to hang himself, toss him some rope; that's what I've always said.

Since that's basically been the GOP's modus operandi since Obama took office, the explanation we're left with is that the Republican KNOW that a millionaire's tax won't hurt the economy and might actually do some good in getting things balanced fiscally. Which is depressing, considering that they're so adamant in opposing such an increase.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 04, 2011, 06:57:59 PM
IF Republicans truly believe that a millionaire surtax would kill jobs, and IF Republicans actually want to keep the economy stagnant to make things more difficult for Obama, shouldn't they acquiesce on the surtax and let the job losses mount? If your enemy wants to hang himself, toss him some rope; that's what I've always said.
You're assuming Republicans are one united front with no separate interests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
McConnell is a very good, crafy politician; he's not smart on policy or anything like that, but he's a political creature, hence Politico pointing out it's odd that he would miscalculate a vote like that.

Anyway, I don't think Gingrich will be finished if Romney wins Iowa and NH. He should still win SC, and Florida will be competitive if Gingrich doesn't implode his own campaign.

Santorum has put in more work on the ground in Iowa than anyone but it hasn't resulted in much of anything. If it wasn't for the holidays coming up I'd agree he could maybe make a run, but it's probably too late. And if he doesn't win Iowa, it's over for him. I expect Gingrich, Paul, and Romney to finish ahead of him.

In terms of endorsements...they're one of the most effective things in US politics. Romney had yet to get any meaningful, nation scale endorsements outside of Chris Cristie's, and I don't think that is nearly as important as Palin's endorsement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 07:46:02 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Palin doesn't endorse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 04, 2011, 07:55:49 PM
I'm waiting for the Carrie Prejean endorsement myself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 09:07:58 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 04, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
Sentiments I have seen is that they think Newt would crush Obama in the debates and make him look like a child.

I don't know about 'crush', but I do hear a lot of the VSP in the media saying that Newt would be able to go toe to toe with Obama. Neither of which is correct, of course. Sure, Newt may never have a 'what books do you read?' or 'Do you agree with the President's actions on Libya?' moment, but if we're talking about substantial arguments, Newt's just as fucked as the rest of GOPers in the clown car. A debate with Newt against Obama would consist of Newt spouting random historical facts, sprinkled around insulting Obama with a deluge of dog whistles, without ever addressing any of the questions.

I forget if someone here said it, but to paraphrase, Newt's like the little, annoying, fat kid who sits in the back of the class who thinks he's smarter than the teacher but is wrong about pretty much everything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 09:30:59 PM
The GOP just wants someone who can insult Obama to his face, that's really all this is. No wonder the don't like Romney, he's not a bully.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 10:03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRouCbefdU
..................

reminded me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFhBq4MzU88
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 10:06:34 PM
The last few seconds of that video are the best.

"Well, see the reason that we didn't create as many jobs under the Bush tax cuts is we lost jobs like last month andjkljgjklgakjgkjglj"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2011, 10:10:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2011, 10:03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRouCbefdU

That makes my brain hurt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 11:30:26 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Let us take a minute to acknowledge the fact that there are "very serious people" in the media who think that Newt Gingrich could actual IMPROVE his electoral chances by getting the endorsement of Herman Cain.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And then take a minute to realize that such an endorsement in our current political environment may actual WORK.  :'(
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Welp, that didn't take long:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/2391

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Report: Cain To Endorse Gingrich On Monday

Fox 5 Atlanta — the same station that broke the news of Herman Cain’s alleged 13 year extramarital affair — is reporting that, according to a source, Cain will on Monday endorse Newt Gingrich for the GOP nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 05, 2011, 11:03:18 AM
One of my good friends introduced me to his girlfriend on Friday.  We started bullshitting and I mentioned something offhand regarding Obama and 2013 and she all of a sudden jumps into debate mode and gets red and says "2013??  He won't be in office!" and it turns out she's a libertarian :fbm  A Ron Paul hardcore believer to be exact.  She did admit that the gold standard was stupid and she was cool enough to just back off when I tried to avoid a heated debate with her by just saying "I'm just not a libertarian."  We moved on to talking about corruption and books.  Cool chick even though she's a libertarian.  While I pulled out of his driveway my wife noticed she has a bumper sticker that says "I love The Constitution".  But really, she thinks Ron Paul is going to surge and beat Obama.  smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 05, 2011, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 04, 2011, 09:07:58 PM
I forget if someone here said it, but to paraphrase, Newt's like the little, annoying, fat kid who sits in the back of the class who thinks he's smarter than the teacher but is wrong about pretty much everything.

Haha, so true
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 05, 2011, 11:29:42 AM
Apparently the Muppets are communists?  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 05, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 05, 2011, 11:03:18 AM
She did admit that the gold standard was stupid

but a monetary system based on confidence is also stupid, nobody wins, ever. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 05, 2011, 04:19:45 PM
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We agree, of course, with former Speaker Gingrich — this is a country of people of enormous talent. Those who deliver thousands of babies like Dr. Paul and those who spend their time focusing on promoting themselves for profit. We even have those who lobby, but don't call it such because, as they say, they can make $60,000 per speech. While those of us in the Paul camp might disagree with Newt Gingrich about whether Donald Trump is the right man to host a serious political debate, we do agree New York is a wonderful place to go at Christmas. We are sure two average Americans like Speaker Gingrich and Donald Trump will have a wonderful time picking out gifts for their wives. We suggest a place called Tiffany's, we her it is quite nice this time of year and given their celebrity status they can probably get special deals and $500,000 lines of credit.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/69792.html

oh snap
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
Ron Paul campaign slams someone for having a profit motive?  Well then.</EasyTarget>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 05, 2011, 10:59:38 PM
K-thug tearin it up:

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So what kind of politician can meet these basic G.O.P. requirements? There are only two ways to make the cut: to be totally cynical or totally clueless.

Mitt Romney embodies the first option. He’s not a stupid man; he knows perfectly well, to take a not incidental example, that the Obama health reform is identical in all important respects to the reform he himself introduced in Massachusetts — but that doesn’t stop him from denouncing the Obama plan as a vast government takeover that is nothing like what he did. He presumably knows how to read a budget, which means that he must know that defense spending has continued to rise under the current administration, but this doesn’t stop him from pledging to reverse Mr. Obama’s “massive defense cuts.”

Mr. Romney’s strategy, in short, is to pretend that he shares the ignorance and misconceptions of the Republican base. He isn’t a stupid man — but he seems to play one on TV.

Unfortunately from his point of view, however, his acting skills leave something to be desired, and his insincerity shines through. So the base still hungers for someone who really, truly believes what every candidate for the party’s nomination must pretend to believe. Yet as I said, the only way to actually believe the modern G.O.P. catechism is to be completely clueless.

And that’s why the Republican primary has taken the form it has, in which a candidate nobody likes and nobody trusts has faced a series of clueless challengers, each of whom has briefly soared before imploding under the pressure of his or her own cluelessness. Think in particular of Rick Perry, a conservative true believer who seemingly had everything it took to clinch the nomination — until he opened his mouth.

So will Newt Gingrich suffer the same fate? Not necessarily.

Many observers seem surprised that Mr. Gingrich’s, well, colorful personal history isn’t causing him more problems, but they shouldn’t be. If hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue, conservatives often seem inclined to accept that tribute, voting for candidates who publicly espouse conservative moral principles whatever their personal behavior. Did I mention that David Vitter is still in the Senate?

And Mr. Gingrich has some advantages none of the previous challengers had. He is by no means the deep thinker he imagines himself to be, but he’s a glib speaker, even when he has no idea what he’s talking about. And my sense is that he’s also very good at doublethink — that even when he knows what he’s saying isn’t true, he manages to believe it while he’s saying it. So he may not implode like his predecessors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/opinion/send-in-the-clueless.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/opinion/send-in-the-clueless.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general)

I particularly love that final bolded part. I'd want Newt to run solely from the entertainment value of all the opinion pieces that would come about.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2011, 11:09:26 PM
New Iowa poll (PPP)

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The numbers: Gingrich 27%, Paul 18%, Romney 16%, Michele Bachmann 13%, Rick Perry 9%, Rick Santorum 6%, Jon Huntsman 4%, and Gary Johnson 1%.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/another-poll-shows-newt-leading-in-iowa.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 06, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1XlmYl.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 06, 2011, 12:46:37 PM
Ah crap.  I'm using that on FB  haha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 06, 2011, 04:17:59 PM
Gingrich at 37%, Romney 22%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/151355/Gingrich-Romney-Among-GOP-Voters-Nationwide.aspx


Don't implode just yet, Newt!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
hey Business, what's the general view on politics/Obama in your area of the military? I've read many soldiers are conservative
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 06, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFHAJG9O3Q

Ron Paul going hip hop.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2011, 10:26:24 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on December 06, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=KBFHAJG9O3Q

Ron Paul going hip hop.

http://www.facebook.com/Consise

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Interests   

911 Truth

Freedom

The Constitution

Ron Paul

and he's an anti-fluoridation activist too!  We've got a real winner here, folks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
I thought that was Slug or some Rhymeslayers white rapper, tbh. Sucks, I was just about to go on an Atmosphere rant
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2011, 10:54:35 PM
Another thing I noticed is that going by this guy's FB page and album cover, he's not in a hurry to let people know he's white.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2011, 11:42:13 PM
everett washington is as snowy white as you can get. seriously, i go there and worry that this largish mole on my cheek might be enough melanin to get me kicked out of the applebee's there
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2011, 12:52:30 AM
So on the season finale of his show, Bill Maher tried to remind the righties that someone like Ebenezer Scrooge was a bad guy. (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-mahers-holiday-goodbye-republicans-hate-everything-about-christmas/)

Of course, I'm pretty sure no one is shocked to see that some people disagreed:

http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/12/01/character-rehabilitation/

First M(ao)uppet-gate and now this.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2011, 01:05:10 AM
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/12/01/character-rehabilitation/

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 07, 2011, 01:07:27 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 06, 2011, 11:42:13 PM
everett washington is as snowy white as you can get. seriously, i go there and worry that this largish mole on my cheek might be enough melanin to get me kicked out of the applebee's there

Mill Creek is still kinda...aww who am I kidding- wait there's a black dude that works at the starbucks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 07, 2011, 07:26:20 AM
Romney's campaign has been saying they have a big endorsement coming this week. Look's like it will be John McCain:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/07/mccain_likely_to_endorse_romney.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2011, 09:54:11 AM
What I don't understand is why Romney would still want to be a con/repub after the way he is being treated by his own party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 07, 2011, 10:43:55 AM
I know he is desperate to get noticed but what the hell is Obama's "war on religion"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2011, 12:54:16 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 07, 2011, 02:25:23 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/rick-santorum-slams-president-obama-for-revealing-osama-bin-laden-died.php?ref=fpb

What a glory hound! Obama, next time you kill an international terrorist leader, keep it to yourself! Nobody cares!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_v2SaUJdcU
ouch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2011, 03:17:29 PM
Anecdotal evidence alert:

At last year's medical insurance meeting, 10% premium increases were met with grumblings blaming Obama.
This years 45% premium increase was met with nothing but contempt toward the insurance companies. I feel sorry for my coworkers who have to rely the few choices they are offered here. 2014 needs to get here fast.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2011, 07:13:26 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 07, 2011, 07:26:20 AM
Romney's campaign has been saying they have a big endorsement coming this week. Look's like it will be John McCain:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/07/mccain_likely_to_endorse_romney.html

The loser? The so called moderate? Great idea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2011, 07:32:39 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/6/Liddy)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
Wow, Newt's immigration stance didn't hurt him at all with the tea baggers, and in fact, they support HIS position more than Romney's:

Newt Gingrich’s position on illegal immigration:
Major reason to support: 38
Major reason to oppose: 15

http://dailykos.com/story/2011/12/06/1042801/-Likely-Iowa-caucus-goers:-Romneycare-a-major-reason-to-oppose-Mitt-Romney?via=blog_1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 07, 2011, 08:13:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 07, 2011, 08:52:15 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/05/things-that-never-happened-in-the-history-of-macroeconomics/

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/keynes-versus-hayek-1932/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 07, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
I honestly stopped taking Krugman seriously when he suggested Greenspan create a housing bubble.  Then when he suggested a staged alien invasion to end the current economic crisis, I knew I made the right decision.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2011, 09:16:50 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on December 07, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
  Then when he suggested a staged alien invasion to end the current economic crisis, I knew I made the right decision.

Preeeeeeeeeeeeety sure he was joking with that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 07, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
I still am in shock that Newt is likely to be the nominee. I can't get over it. It's amazing Republicans think its a good idea. I just still can't believe it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: K-thug
These days, you constantly see articles that make it seem as if there was a great debate in the 1930s between Keynes and Hayek, and that this debate has continued through the generations. As Warsh says, nothing like this happened. Hayek essentially made a fool of himself early in the Great Depression, and his ideas vanished from the professional discussion.

So why is his name invoked so much now? Because The Road to Serfdom struck a political chord with the American right, which adopted Hayek as a sort of mascot — and retroactively inflated his role as an economic thinker. Warsh is even crueler about this than I would have been; he compares Hayek (or rather the “Hayek” invented by his admirers) to Rosie Ruiz, who claimed to have won the marathon, but actually took the subway to the finish line.

Hmm, interesting. So is it fair to say Hayek is to libertarians what Paradise Lost is to Christians?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 07, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 07, 2011, 09:17:50 PM
I still am in shock that Newt is likely to be the nominee. I can't get over it. It's amazing Republicans think its a good idea. I just still can't believe it.

It's been about 50 years, I guess it's time for them to learn a valuable lesson all over again.  Then again, I guess Goldwater was probably more personally likable and less of an egocentric douchenugget than ol' Newt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2011, 10:53:09 PM
GUYS

I just learned Andrea Mitchell is married to Alan Greenspan, wtf. I have no idea

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 07, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: K-thug
These days, you constantly see articles that make it seem as if there was a great debate in the 1930s between Keynes and Hayek, and that this debate has continued through the generations. As Warsh says, nothing like this happened. Hayek essentially made a fool of himself early in the Great Depression, and his ideas vanished from the professional discussion.

So why is his name invoked so much now? Because The Road to Serfdom struck a political chord with the American right, which adopted Hayek as a sort of mascot — and retroactively inflated his role as an economic thinker. Warsh is even crueler about this than I would have been; he compares Hayek (or rather the “Hayek” invented by his admirers) to Rosie Ruiz, who claimed to have won the marathon, but actually took the subway to the finish line.

Hmm, interesting. So is it fair to say Hayek is to libertarians what Paradise Lost is to Christians?

try "left behind"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2011, 01:19:14 AM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on December 07, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
I honestly stopped taking Krugman seriously when he suggested Greenspan create a housing bubble.  Then when he suggested a staged alien invasion to end the current economic crisis, I knew I made the right decision.

Really?  You mean you "took him seriously" and read his columns, but when you read that stuff you decided to change your mind?  Or are you just a conservative dude who doesn't take liberals seriously, and you're repeating some stuff that circulated around conservative blogs to justify it in this particular case?

It's too bad that Krugman's such a target of rage on the right.  He's one of the few pundits who isn't just a "public intellectual" but is also a qualified expert with a real knack for explaining a technical subject in comprehensible prose.  Regardless of your political leanings, you can learn a shit-ton of macroeconomics just from reading his blog, much less his book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2011, 07:06:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyRnwtscPA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 08, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
I love how Newt is the best friend of liberals right now. Democrats appearing in the media go out of their way to make sure they don't say a single negative thing about him and it seems like Pelosi got hit harder from the left for attacking Newt the other day than she did from the right.

Liberals don't want to do anything to harm the chance of Newt getting nominated. It's hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2011, 09:40:36 AM
If you ever lose $1.2 Billion at your job, just be honest and admit you don't know what happened to it.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/08/news/companies/corzine_mf_global/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 08, 2011, 09:45:47 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on December 08, 2011, 09:40:36 AM
If you ever lose $1.2 Billion at your job, just be honest and admit you don't know what happened to it.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/08/news/companies/corzine_mf_global/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
The worst thing to come out of Corzine's corruption was being responsible for allowing Chris Christie to be elected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2011, 01:46:54 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002917/

gangta government :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
He also said "Ask your girlfriend. BOOM!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 08, 2011, 08:54:59 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 08, 2011, 07:31:21 AM
I love how Newt is the best friend of liberals right now. Democrats appearing in the media go out of their way to make sure they don't say a single negative thing about him and it seems like Pelosi got hit harder from the left for attacking Newt the other day than she did from the right.

Liberals don't want to do anything to harm the chance of Newt getting nominated. It's hilarious.

I can't wait to vote for him at the caucus!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2011, 09:03:22 PM
I can't wait to vote for him in the NC primary, either; I will totally switch my affiliation for one day just to vote for his crazy ass.  Unfortunately by early May I doubt the nomination will be in serious contention any longer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 08, 2011, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2011, 01:19:14 AM

Really?  You mean you "took him seriously" and read his columns, but when you read that stuff you decided to change your mind?  Or are you just a conservative dude who doesn't take liberals seriously, and you're repeating some stuff that circulated around conservative blogs to justify it in this particular case?


Well yeah actually I did and I have read some of his writings.  As to taking him seriously, that was due to a combination of things, but you nailed one of them in your own post.

Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2011, 01:19:14 AM

He's one of the few pundits who isn't just a "public intellectual" but is also a qualified expert with a real knack for explaining a technical subject in comprehensible prose.  Regardless of your political leanings, you can learn a shit-ton of macroeconomics just from reading his blog, much less his book.

He's an economic pundit and like a political pundit, he has a bias, a personal interest in the theory (Neo-Keynesianism) he espouses as absolute, through a prism of his progressive ideology because his entire career is banked upon it.  And I do take liberals seriously.  Hayek was a liberal thinker you know. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 08, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
The dude has successfully predicted every economic event of the last 3 years, call it what you want
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2011, 10:27:28 PM
Well, Mittens just said that he "backs the Paul Ryan plan 100%". This gon be good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 01:07:14 AM
Zuh?  Krugman's big success came from his work in international economics (the Clark Medal for stuff on currency crises and the Nobel for new trade theory, iirc) and I don't think any of it would be categorized as "Keynesian" per se.  He spent the 90's arguing for lower trade barriers against protectionists like Robert Reich, so it's not like he got his spot at the NYT for being dogmatically progressive.  Plus he's lavishly praised Milton Friedman's work as an economist, yadda yadda.

Krugman certainly doesn't treat a particular economic theory as "absolute" as much as, say, Ron Paul.


But the more important thing is what the good Admiral was getting at.  Krugman keeps going on the record with explicit, falsifiable predictions: the Bush cuts would raise the deficit, the early 00's recovery would be driven by a housing bubble rather than business investment, housing prices were in line for a correction by the mid-late 00's, the Obama stimulus would leave unemployment at ~9%, US interest rates would remain low, the US was in danger of a liquidity trap where Fed policy wouldn't spur a recovery, struggling countries in the Euro zone would have particular problems because they can't devalue their currency, forced austerity wouldn't produce investor confidence in Greece, etc.

A lot of these are cases where he's been in the minority, and all of them were cases where there was serious disagreement.  And all he does is get it right over and over.  Seriously, who out there has a better track record in predicting what was likely to happen, or who did a better job explaining why?  Even if you don't like his politics, at some point he's gotta become hard to ignore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 09, 2011, 01:10:51 AM
libertarians can't imagine people who don't think in binary absolutist positions
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 01:31:25 AM
Ya know, the binary aspect doesn't even bug me as much as the tendency to subordinate every aspect of society to political ideology*.  Maybe the study of economics has some value outside of validating someone's party line?  I dunno.

At least it's better than when they do it with epidemiology.


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*Like this (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=37515.0) shit.  :teehee
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2011, 03:22:35 AM
Sorry Mandark,  but I wasn't trying to seek any validation with that thread. Aside from a small chuckle I got at the Treme and reality show stuff, anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 09, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
the treme shit's the only one worth commenting on, especially because of the godawful bell curve shit that made a resurgence after katrina
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2011, 04:22:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-eqpJYGtvk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2011, 07:24:54 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 09, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
the treme shit's the only one worth commenting on, especially because of the godawful bell curve shit that made a resurgence after katrina

But dudes, no one watches Treme
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 09, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Was this posted?

Via our favourite Cruncheon's FB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJltjwiefKM

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK OF A FUCK?!?!?!:?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 09, 2011, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 09, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Was this posted?

Via our favourite Cruncheon's FB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJltjwiefKM

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK OF A FUCK?!?!?!:?!?!?!?!?!
Yeah but you are forgetting about the time he wore 3D glasses and looked at a big picture of Yoda.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lupoelNhcf1r6akeno1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2011, 09:05:21 PM
jesus that clip is absolutely appaling coming from a politician.  obviously its out of campaign mode, but even as an offhand comment is fucking stupid.

I sincerely hope he gets the nomination, because Obama's got this shit on lockdown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 09, 2011, 09:13:33 PM
That clip is going to be in a half-dozen Romney/Perry/Paul campaign ads by Monday, right?  Right???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2011, 09:25:54 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 09, 2011, 08:31:50 PM
Was this posted?

Via our favourite Cruncheon's FB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJltjwiefKM

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK OF A FUCK?!?!?!:?!?!?!?!?!

Holy shit.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 10:01:21 PM
That Gingrich video points up something I've been thinking about for a while  This is gonna be half-cocked, cause I normally wait for someone else to articulate my thoughts and then steal it, but here goes:

Newt muses about letting some people get killed to remind the public about what's at stake, so they'll support more invasive security measures (others have said that the lack of new attacks is making people complacent, with what I've read as a certain wistfulness).  Various conservatives and libertarians have argued that unemployment insurance encourages sloth, and that health insurance lets people make poor lifestyle decisions.  Social conservatives believe that birth control and the HPV vaccine encourage promiscuity, and more generally that the welfare state decreases reliance on the family and church.  Education reformers base their whole crusade on the idea that excessive job security for teachers makes them lazy and incompetent.  Needle exchange programs will let addicts keep doing drugs without the fear of AIDS.

The common thread is the idea that people need the constant threat of punishment to make them behave properly.  Besides being a pretty jaundiced view of the world (and one that only seems to apply the poor, the sick, women, and public servants), in some cases it's completely backwards.  For a dirty librul chastity is nice insofar as it prevents disease and unwanted pregnancy, but for the James Dobson crowd it is its own end, and the diseases and unwanted pregnancies are useful disincentives.

Likewise with Gingrich.  He's allegedly arguing for an expansive security regime to protect people, but if you're deliberately letting citizens get killed then what's the actual point?  It's like having an NSA that ignores civil liberties is intrinsically a good thing, to the point that a few innocent people violently murdered a year is a price worth paying.  It's fuckin' crazy.



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PS I just realized that this is going on whenever David Brooks justifies a long, painful recession by explaining how it's going to make people more frugal in the future.  Man, I really don't like that guy.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
I'll be citing that post when I finally write my thesis on how slasher horror flicks are actually parables for social conservatives (the most promiscuous teens always die first)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 10:26:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2011, 10:09:17 PM
I'll be citing that post when I finally write my thesis on how slasher horror flicks are actually parables for social conservatives (the most promiscuous teens always die first)

Funny thing is John Carpenter has said in interviews that Halloween (which inadvertently created that cliche) wasn't meant to carry any moral message, and that the characters who got killed were basically just normal teens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2011, 02:07:48 AM
That's actually a pretty longstanding and popular meme among Israeli hawks.  The idea is that there was no Palestinian national identity before 1948; the people who call themselves Palestinians today just considered themselves Arabs.  So the whole idea of Palestinian nationality is a fabrication.

It's a useful idea, because it protects Israel's founding myth (they didn't displace anyone, they just returned home!), provides a solution that doesn't involve ceding any territory (Jordan and Egypt can take them in as fellow Arabs!), and generally lets Israel treat Palestinian grievances and aspirations as a bunch of easily ignored bullshit.

The problem is that Palestinians really do seem to have a shared national identity and none of the neighboring Arab countries are going to take them in as full citizens.  It's just a way to avoid facing reality and justify maintaining a really shitty status quo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 10, 2011, 08:18:48 AM
Apparently Newt still doesn't have a campaign manager and is acting in the role himself still. All the events he doe are scheduled by his wife. How long can he keep this sort of campaign up? He can't be his own campaign manager in a general...right?

The idea that it is possible let alone likely to win the Iowa caucus's with a campaign staff that is comparable to someone running for a local dog catcher is insane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 08:47:33 PM
debate live
http://abcnews.go.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 09:23:26 PM
Gingrich just dropped a bomb on Romney  :lol

"The only reason you aren't a career politician is because you lost an election running left to Ted Kennedy in 1994"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 10, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
Romney making a $10,000 bet on national T.V. will probably bite him in the ass later.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 09:23:26 PM
Gingrich just dropped a bomb on Romney  :lol

"The only reason you aren't a career politician is because you lost an election running left to Ted Kennedy in 1994"

Yeah that was great.

Glad to see Newt's spending some time attack the other Reps instead of just going after Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 10, 2011, 11:10:41 PM
That was Romney's worst debate ever. Not being the frontrunner has really caused him to spiral. I don't think he landed a single hit on Newt at all. When asked how he is different from Newt he seemed confused and struggled to think of anything other than he disagrees with Newt that we should send men back to the moon. I mean what? He wasn't prepared to come up to a obvious question like that? And that 10k line. Ouch.

Newt looked happier than I ever remember seeing him. He was smiling the whole time.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2011, 11:23:52 PM
Newt was having a ball on stage. There were a couple testy moments, such as when Bachman blatantly lied about him and he defended himself. But overall he was in command. What shocked me was that we all went into this debate expecting it to be all about Newt but Romney wound up making the most noise and looking the worse. Remember how EVERYONE jumped on Perry when he was the front runner, and the blows never stopped? I expected that to happen tonight and instead Newt cleverly dodged just enough to wound Romney.

I think Nate Silver is right that considering everyone on stage pretty much agrees on everything, non-policy gaffes or "big moments" are more important. The 10k bet, Gingrich's incendiary comments on Palestinians, and the Newt/Kennedy line were the defining moments of this. And two of those benefit Gingrich while two hurt Romney (I thought Gingrich really slammed Romney on the Israel/Palestine/Bibi dick sucking. It was an ugly answer but that's exactly what conservatives want to hear, and Romney looked Obama-esque in his measured disagreement)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 10, 2011, 11:24:15 PM
I think that bet is going to be a big problem. Amateur, childish, sinful and wealthy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 10, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
Any Republican trying to challenge Newt on conservatively biased world history is insane. Newt is obsessed with that stuff. Romney trying to attack him on it was crazy. It backfired completely and Newt knew to end it with a call back to Reagan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 10, 2011, 11:49:28 PM
Yea, I was impressed at that final counterpoint, while disagreeing with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2011, 01:56:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3twHbDthis
 :santocry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 11, 2011, 02:58:25 AM
Newts an asshole that doesnt care about being consistent- not shocked he did well. If voters want this from a president- we get what we deserve
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 11, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
Wow.
Quote
Fresh NBC News/Marist polls show Gingrich holding a commanding lead in South Carolina and Florida among lilekly Republican primary voters.
SC: Gingrich 42 — Romney 23
FL: Gingrich 44 — Romney 29

If Newt wins 3 out of the 4 Jan primaries, especially Florida this is quickly over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 11, 2011, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 09, 2011, 10:01:21 PM
That Gingrich video points up something I've been thinking about for a while  This is gonna be half-cocked, cause I normally wait for someone else to articulate my thoughts and then steal it, but here goes:
[...]
The common thread is the idea that people need the constant threat of punishment to make them behave properly.  Besides being a pretty jaundiced view of the world (and one that only seems to apply the poor, the sick, women, and public servants), in some cases it's completely backwards.  For a dirty librul chastity is nice insofar as it prevents disease and unwanted pregnancy, but for the James Dobson crowd it is its own end, and the diseases and unwanted pregnancies are useful disincentives.

There was a John Emerson post with almost the same exact thesis years ago, unfortunately I can't find it anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 11, 2011, 04:52:48 PM
I just found out Newt Gingrich has a lesbian sister and she looks like...a lesbian Newt Gingrich.  :-\

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 11, 2011, 01:21:41 PM
Wow.
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Fresh NBC News/Marist polls show Gingrich holding a commanding lead in South Carolina and Florida among lilekly Republican primary voters.
SC: Gingrich 42 — Romney 23
FL: Gingrich 44 — Romney 29

If Newt wins 3 out of the 4 Jan primaries, especially Florida this is quickly over.

I...dunno, it's tough. Let's say Gingrich wins Iowa, SC, and Florida  while Romney wins NH. Romney will still have a large war chest and some big endorsements, including McCain's. So he'd be able to survive and slog this out with an opponent who has less money and organization imo.

If Gingrich can hold this lead until Super Tuesday and win half of the states which are southern plus Alaska, then I'd be inclined to say he has this in the bag. It just seems like he is hated by enough establishment republicans for them to ensure Romney lasts as long as possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 11, 2011, 06:14:24 PM
Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on December 11, 2011, 08:38:19 AM
Obama's got this on lockdown, he isn't the best president by a large margin but dude is much better than any of these guys and nobody takes any of them seriously. So yeah chillax MAF you got 4 more years of Obama left.

I think it's too early to tell but I can't see why Obama wouldn't win.  While swiss watches didn't run as well as his 2008 campaign, he can and has done half assed campaigning for various things since his election.  If he returns to 2008 mode, I think he could capture a larger victory than he did in 2008 (there will be no McCain type figure this time around, they are staying the fuck out) but if he does his half assed bumbling around, it isn't a guarantee by any means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
Just about anyone could beat Obama if/when Europe collapses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 11, 2011, 06:53:19 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2011, 07:00:46 PM
Maurice- Wrong About Everything, Consistently
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ShogunOfFear on December 11, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
Thanks Mandark for at least being more specific on Krugman's predictions.

The early 00's recovery would be driven by a housing bubble rather than business investment -    

   This is one of my favorites because Mr. Krugman was a strong advocate of the housing bubble.  I find it hard to see this as a positive for Krugman given his influence.  Just imagine if I made the suggestion for you to go and set my house on fire only to come out and make a prediction my house was going to burn down.  Since you brought up Ron Paul, let me also point out that he predicted the housing bubble for all the right reasons, and he tried to warn of its coming collapse because he knew people were going to be hurt by it. 
   Mr. Krugman has also been an advocate of the boom bust cycle in general.  In 2005 his solution for the bubble if it happened to burst, which did eventually happen, was for the Fed to replace it with another bubble.  In fact his concern was that the Fed wouldn't have a bubble to replace it with.  Are the American people to believe that their economic fate rests on a policy of endless booms and busts?  Should they simply place hope in mere chance of luck that they might be a potential beneficiary of the booms, while bracing themselves in a fool's paradise of blind faith that they might not be a victim of the busts?
   The worst part of this is that the men advocating these policies are never held accountable for the pain the people have to bear as a result of them.  Instead capitalism or free markets are blamed in place of these policies which are a direct intervention into the free market.


US interest rates would remain low -

   Hasn't the Fed indicated they plan to keep interest rates artificially low?  Regardless this is kind of stating the obvious because it has been standard Fed policy to lower rates to try and spark economic activity during a recession. 


The Obama stimulus would leave unemployment at ~9% -

   This is technically incorrect.  Real unemployment is higher than 9% and closer to 16%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 11, 2011, 08:13:01 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 11, 2011, 08:07:42 PM
Oh, and he forgot to even give lip service to Krugmans other predictions.

Yep.  He nailed the problem with Bitcoins, the latest and (formerly) greatest cryptocurrency.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/golden-cyberfetters/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2011, 08:16:43 PM
Interesting points I guess. But he hoped for natural disaster - most likely to damage minority communities - to justify more government spending. Plus he agrees with everything Obama does, so how much can he really know about the economy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 11, 2011, 08:40:02 PM
http://www.10kbet.com/

Man, Hunstman REALLY hates Romney. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2011, 11:01:23 PM
Quote from: ShogunOfFear on December 11, 2011, 07:30:31 PM
This is one of my favorites because Mr. Krugman was a strong advocate of the housing bubble.

That's actually not true.  I'm not gonna call you a liar, because most likely you're just repeating what you've read on conservative/libertarian blogs, which have plucked a quote from this column and spread it around gleefully.

Quote from: Krugman
The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn't a typical postwar slump, brought on when an inflation-fighting Fed raises interest rates and easily ended by a snapback in housing and consumer spending when the Fed brings rates back down again. This was a prewar-style recession, a morning after brought on by irrational exuberance. To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback; it needs soaring household spending to offset moribund business investment. And to do that, as Paul McCulley of Pimco put it, Alan Greenspan needs to create a housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble.

Judging by Mr. Greenspan's remarkably cheerful recent testimony, he still thinks he can pull that off.


Like I said, I'm guessing that you're just repeating what you've read from sources you trust.  I'll give you the opportunity to rethink just how honest those sources are being with you.

Of course, if you think that Krugman was a "strong advocate" of creating bubbles based on your own extensive readings, I'd be very interested in anything you had to share.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 12, 2011, 10:26:04 AM
My favorite is this line that I hear all the time:

"Yeah but real unemployment is much higher"

It's not a fucking conspiracy you douchebags.  It's the same standard of measuring unemployment that almost every industrialized nation uses.  With the reports that come out every week/month there is all the extra information that you're looking for.  I fucking hate that line so much.  I know too many people IRL who love to spout it out like they've discovered some statistical loophole that liberals just don't want you to know about. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on December 12, 2011, 11:36:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2011, 07:32:39 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/6/Liddy)

I just realized I had sushi on the 9th  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 11:58:48 AM
Newt is going full beast mode
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/newt-gingrich-romney-got-rich-laying-off-employees.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2011, 12:27:55 PM
Mitt invited that one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2011, 01:12:28 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 11, 2011, 08:40:02 PM
http://www.10kbet.com/

Man, Hunstman REALLY hates Romney. :lol

ABC (Moderator):
12 Dec 2011 10:38:45am
Do you think Mitt Romney's campaign will recover from this gaffe?

Dave:
12 Dec 2011 10:51:33am
Possibly, but it will never recover from him being Mitt Romney

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 12, 2011, 01:27:00 PM
Newt Gingrich has no shot at a general election, but he didn't "win" in 1994 out of pure luck. He has good political instinct. He knows how to hit Romney. The fact it took this long for anyone in this race to bring it up is insane. But I guess Newt is the first (politically) competent opponet he has faced in the primary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
I'd imagine it took this long because no one had a problem with Romney's past as a member of a PE firm. Laying off workers to increase productivity seems like it would be quite appealing to conservatives. Hell, I bet ShogunOfFear would gladly take a pink slip if it meant a hard working businessman would benefit. After all, Shogun will be in that businessman's shoes any day now, what hurt can a temporary job loss do?

edit: I'm not saying Newt genuinely disagrees with the practice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 12, 2011, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
I'd imagine it took this long because no one had a problem with Romney's past as a member of a PE firm. Laying off workers to increase productivity seems like it would be quite appealing to conservatives. Hell, I bet ShogunOfFear would gladly take a pink slip if it meant a hard working businessman would benefit. After all, Shogun will be in that businessman's shoes any day now, what hurt can a temporary job loss do?

edit: I'm not saying Newt genuinely disagrees with the practice
I am not so sure, these guys seem pretty pleased Romney is getting attacked over how he made his money by buying and then closing businesses:
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2011/12/12/gingrich-calls-out-romney-on-his-bain-record/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Well, if you check that guy's blog he just straight up hates Romney.  I don't think you can take his post as indicative of how GOP voters will react to this.

I don't think "laid off a bunch of people" will cause a ton of damage if it's not followed with "so they could hire a bunch of Mexicans" but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 12, 2011, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Well, if you check that guy's blog he just straight up hates Romney.  I don't think you can take his post as indicative of how GOP voters will react to this.

I don't think "laid off a bunch of people" will cause a ton of damage if it's not followed with "so they could hire a bunch of Mexicans" but I could be wrong.

Similiarly, I also find it odd a lot of Republicans jumped on his 10K line. I can see Democrats jumping on it but since when has the GOP primary base been anti-rich?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2011, 03:03:23 PM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/fox-news-shocked-their-own-poll-says-obama-

:rofl the bitter tears and "wrong poll" explanation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 12, 2011, 03:29:04 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 02:59:55 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 12, 2011, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 12, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Well, if you check that guy's blog he just straight up hates Romney.  I don't think you can take his post as indicative of how GOP voters will react to this.

I don't think "laid off a bunch of people" will cause a ton of damage if it's not followed with "so they could hire a bunch of Mexicans" but I could be wrong.

Similiarly, I also find it odd a lot of Republicans jumped on his 10K line. I can see Democrats jumping on it but since when has the GOP primary base been anti-rich?
The GOP is pro-rich, but they are also very sensitive to claims that they are useless fatcats.  A successful business person is one thing, but a guy who can casually toss out a 10000 bet during a debate is another.  Brings to mind lighting cigars with hundred dollar bills.
Romney's go to line about it now is so overly manufactured to make you feel bad for him.
Quote
"After the debate was over, Ann came up and gave me a kiss," Romney said, referring to his wife. "And she said, `there are a lot of things you do well. Betting isn't one of them.'"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 12, 2011, 03:48:10 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/al-sharpton-commercial-msnbc-lean-forward_n_1109818.html

haha THE PIEEEEEEE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 12, 2011, 04:09:58 PM
BLUEBERRY ALL OVER THEIR FACE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2011, 04:52:16 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 12, 2011, 03:48:10 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/al-sharpton-commercial-msnbc-lean-forward_n_1109818.html

haha THE PIEEEEEEE

Since when did Al Sharpton become Bill Cosby?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 12, 2011, 05:04:56 PM
lol, seems both Michael Savage and Glenn Beck want Newt out of the race (Savage says he'll pay him a million bux if he does so).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 12, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
It still hurts my head that Newt Gingrich is the frontrunner.

Democrats: Operation Briar Patch is now in full effect
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 12, 2011, 05:19:41 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 12, 2011, 10:26:04 AM
My favorite is this line that I hear all the time:

"Yeah but real unemployment is much higher"

It's not a fucking conspiracy you douchebags.  It's the same standard of measuring unemployment that almost every industrialized nation uses.  With the reports that come out every week/month there is all the extra information that you're looking for.  I fucking hate that line so much.  I know too many people IRL who love to spout it out like they've discovered some statistical loophole that liberals just don't want you to know about.

What's really douchey is that the righties bitch endlessly about gubment workers, and yet when they get laid off, as states have been doing for months, these same righties then turn around and use the increased unemployment numbers to attack Obama. Someone mentioned before that if the 500k public workers still had their job, the UE rate would be like 8.2%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 12, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
http://www.towleroad.com/2011/12/romneyvet.html

edit:

(http://distilleryimage8.instagram.com/d119e8e6244811e1a87612313804ec91_7.jpg)

edit 2:

(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387888_10150415470736167_26595441166_8856090_123132026_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2011, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 12, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387888_10150415470736167_26595441166_8856090_123132026_n.jpg)

Pathetic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
A president is only as good as his congress. Tea Party congress suuuuuux and have the lowest approval ever. But it's Obama's fault congress sux.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 13, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Apparently Romney doesn't care if he loses...?  ??? :lol
Quote
"I'm not in trouble. I'm in a great spot. I could become our nominee, or someone else might become our nominee and I could go back to business and go back to my family. Either one of those is a very nice outcome."

NY Magazine sums it up well:
Quote
"To successfully run for president, you have to have a fire burning inside of you... So maybe it's a bad sign for Mitt Romney's chances that he doesn't seem to give a shit about the possibility of losing. If he wins, great. But whatever."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 13, 2011, 08:33:25 AM
8.6 is the new 9.0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 13, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Apparently Romney doesn't care if he loses...?  ??? :lol
Quote
"I'm not in trouble. I'm in a great spot. I could become our nominee, or someone else might become our nominee and I could go back to business and go back to my family. Either one of those is a very nice outcome."

NY Magazine sums it up well:
Quote
"To successfully run for president, you have to have a fire burning inside of you... So maybe it's a bad sign for Mitt Romney's chances that he doesn't seem to give a shit about the possibility of losing. If he wins, great. But whatever."

I don't think this is fair. I watched the interview, and it was clear Politico was trying to create news. Most politicians say if they lose they'll just go back to their families. I remember Obama saying that many times during the primaries and general, and even suggesting he wouldn't run for president again if he lost.

Romney has been running for president for five years, he clearly wants to be president more than most people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 13, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: The Business on December 13, 2011, 11:56:30 AM
Another Mitt Romney awkwardly interacts with human beings video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqMUG1uNK_Y

Why is it ok for the federal government to use the DOMA to supress NH state's rights?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 13, 2011, 07:19:42 PM
I'm so happy Gingrich is winning right now. Please let that dude get the nomination. Easiest democratic victory ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 13, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
seriously; it'd be an even bigger joke than 96.  unfortunately the news would still be dominated by the day-to-day bullshit in the run-up rather actual important stuff that'll be going on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 13, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
We've already covered arithmetic yesterday, now we move on to geography:

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388499_10150418057706167_26595441166_8862739_1737176515_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 14, 2011, 05:12:01 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2011, 12:16:37 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 13, 2011, 08:16:48 AM
Apparently Romney doesn't care if he loses...?  ??? :lol
Quote
"I'm not in trouble. I'm in a great spot. I could become our nominee, or someone else might become our nominee and I could go back to business and go back to my family. Either one of those is a very nice outcome."

NY Magazine sums it up well:
Quote
"To successfully run for president, you have to have a fire burning inside of you... So maybe it's a bad sign for Mitt Romney's chances that he doesn't seem to give a shit about the possibility of losing. If he wins, great. But whatever."

I don't think this is fair. I watched the interview, and it was clear Politico was trying to create news. Most politicians say if they lose they'll just go back to their families. I remember Obama saying that many times during the primaries and general, and even suggesting he wouldn't run for president again if he lost.

Romney has been running for president for five years, he clearly wants to be president more than most people

Romney is using the Lebron defense. Even if he ain't able to win the big game, he's still gonna be a 200 dolla' million-air white man. Who are the American people to talk down to a guy who bets $10,000 against his opponent on national television?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2011, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
It still hurts my head that Newt Gingrich is the frontrunner.

Nope, turns out Ron Paul is the frontrunner. He's the Tim Tebow of GOP candidates, he's just waiting for the 4th quarter to take over.

http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/13/blitzers-blog-ron-paul-could-surprise-us/?hpt=hp_bn3
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on December 14, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
Stuff like this is why I still am convinced Mittens is gonna get the nom:

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/nbcwsj-gingrich-hits-40-percent-among-gop-down-against-obama-by-11.php (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/nbcwsj-gingrich-hits-40-percent-among-gop-down-against-obama-by-11.php)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 14, 2011, 01:58:36 PM
The only thing better for Obama than Newt getting the nomination is Paul getting the nomination.  I don't see it happening though.  The drugs and entitlement reform position is enough to send old people out in droves to vote against him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2011, 02:59:41 PM
(http://politicalwire.com/images/Fox%20News%20graphic%20mistake.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 03:32:16 PM
So I guess the Iraq War is officially over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 14, 2011, 03:55:33 PM
but america's war... is never over
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 14, 2011, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: tiesto on December 14, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
Stuff like this is why I still am convinced Mittens is gonna get the nom:

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/nbcwsj-gingrich-hits-40-percent-among-gop-down-against-obama-by-11.php (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/nbcwsj-gingrich-hits-40-percent-among-gop-down-against-obama-by-11.php)

The GOP base just spent the last two years pissing away the Senate by nominating nutballs (Angle, the lunatic in Connecticut whose name escapes me now, etc) because they made them feel better about being in a super special club where the darkies aren't welcome, don't see that about to change anytime soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 14, 2011, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on December 14, 2011, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
It still hurts my head that Newt Gingrich is the frontrunner.

Nope, turns out Ron Paul is the frontrunner. He's the Tim Tebow of GOP candidates, he's just waiting for the 4th quarter to take over.

http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/13/blitzers-blog-ron-paul-could-surprise-us/?hpt=hp_bn3

Speaking of Tim Tebow, what's the deal with that guy anyway? I hear him getting mentioned a lot in the news, but I just know that he's 1) a football player and 2) Christian. Why is he so popular?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2011, 06:04:07 PM
Quote from: Spencer on December 14, 2011, 03:15:37 PM
My money is on some pro Newt dude at fox accidentally the whole picture

Romney's just flipflopping again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on December 14, 2011, 06:09:21 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 14, 2011, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on December 14, 2011, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
It still hurts my head that Newt Gingrich is the frontrunner.

Nope, turns out Ron Paul is the frontrunner. He's the Tim Tebow of GOP candidates, he's just waiting for the 4th quarter to take over.

http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/13/blitzers-blog-ron-paul-could-surprise-us/?hpt=hp_bn3

Speaking of Tim Tebow, what's the deal with that guy anyway? I hear him getting mentioned a lot in the news, but I just know that he's 1) a football player and 2) Christian. Why is he so popular?

He wins against all odds, speculatively because he is a Christian.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2011, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 14, 2011, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on December 14, 2011, 01:22:40 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on December 12, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
It still hurts my head that Newt Gingrich is the frontrunner.

Nope, turns out Ron Paul is the frontrunner. He's the Tim Tebow of GOP candidates, he's just waiting for the 4th quarter to take over.

http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/13/blitzers-blog-ron-paul-could-surprise-us/?hpt=hp_bn3

Speaking of Tim Tebow, what's the deal with that guy anyway? I hear him getting mentioned a lot in the news, but I just know that he's 1) a football player and 2) Christian. Why is he so popular?

oh man, I've heard so much Tebow hate at the barbershop. Lots of "a black QB wouldn't be given the chance to fuck up that much" talk. You know a nerve has been struck when guys in Michigan are lamenting that Ohio State's own Troy Smith wasn't an NFL success.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2011, 06:43:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcnqBEbm6g8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 07:34:44 PM
Newt loses major endorsement (http://thehill.com/capital-living/in-the-know/199375-gary-busey-withdraws-gingrich-endorsement):
Quote
Actor Gary Busey is withdrawing his endorsement of Newt Gingrich for president.

“It is not time for me to be endorsing anyone at this time! When there are the two final candidates, then I will endorse,” Busey said Wednesday in a statement released through his representative.

Busey endorsed the former Speaker’s presidential campaign Saturday in an exclusive interview with The Hill.

“I’ve never met Newt but I know what he stands for,” Busey said.

Asked why Busey was withdrawing his endorsement, the actor’s spokesman said Busey “likes” Gingrich but “he is not endorsing anyone at this time.”


Also, Gary Johnson's probably out of GOP race and will go for the Libertarian nomination (http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/12/ipr-exclusive-gary-johnson-to-announce-libertarian-switch-tomorrow/):
Quote
Johnson has told a reporter that this is something he’s looking at and that he will be in New York tomorrow to do “as many media appearances as they can wind me up and send me in that direction.” But he said he wasn’t announcing the switch tomorrow.

Stephen Gordon, who identifies himself as the Southern Regional Director of the Gary Johnson 2012 campaign, told me:

“I personally spoke with Governor Johnson a couple of days ago and outlined many of the pros and cons of running for the LP’s presidential nomination. It’s my opinion that certain senior leaders within the GOP have intentionally thrown as many roadblocks as possible into the governor’s path and that the Libertarian Party will be a much more welcoming home to someone of his true small-government ideology and proven track record.”

Gordon added that as of their last conversation the Governor was not yet decided but was strongly considering the idea.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/199391-gary-johnson-to-leave-gop-race-run-as-libertarian
Quote
Discussing the possible move late last month, Johnson told KOB Eyewitness News that the party had been unwilling to help him get included in the debates or polls.

"From what I see and hear on the ground, I think a lot more people embrace this message than not, and the Republicans certainly aren't even letting me be heard," Johnson said.

But Johnson believes his message could be better championed as the Libertarian candidate.

"The message wouldn't be changing at all," Johnson said. "It's just a message that hasn't gotten heard. Really, I feel pretty put off by the process and by Republicans not standing for me … just being in the polls to determine whether or not I should be in the debates or not."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2011, 08:10:56 PM
No fair quoting a story about Gary Busey and then saying "Gary... will probably go for the Libertarian nomination."

Getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2011, 08:13:38 PM
haha, didn't even think about that, edited.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2011, 11:12:58 AM
Fox News really hates Ron Paul. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2011, 11:25:40 AM
Quote
“The Ron Paul people are not going to like my saying this,” Wallace began. “But to a certain degree, it will discredit the Iowa caucuses because, rightly or wrongly, I think most of the Republican establishment thinks he’s not going to end up as the nominee.”

“So therefore, Iowa won’t count,” he added. “It would certainly be a knock to Gingrich because, you know, right now he was the frontrunner — or a week ago he was the big frontrunner in this state so it would be missed opportunity for him.”

Ya know, I don't think I disagree.  Most of the GOP establishment has written off Ron Paul, if he won Iowa that wouldn't change many minds, and it would probably reinforce the idea that Iowa isn't a kingmaker for Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2011, 11:46:33 AM
I think we can have a legitimate conversation that Iowa in general is losing it's influence, and also that Paul winning it would truly be irrelevant whereas Gingrich winning it would be relevant. There's no way Paul gets close to the nomination, and if he did magically get enough delegates I think we'd see a brokered RNC convention, with the establishment choosing someone else to be the nominee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2011, 12:15:01 PM
to be fair, his council is no longer advising a veto - he hasn't said he's no longer considering it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 15, 2011, 12:24:58 PM
Newtmania might be coming to an end:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/15/romney_retakes_lead_in_iowa.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2011, 12:28:46 PM
I can't take Ras polls seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 15, 2011, 12:40:20 PM
Will Ron Paul keep running for the Republican nomination and losing every 4 years till he dies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
Hey Spencer, how do potheads feel about the Law of the Sea Treaty?  I heard they've got some interesting ideas about exclusive economic zones!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2011, 05:14:19 PM
National Review is dropping bombs on Gingrich, and plans to dedicate an entire upcoming issue to shitting on him. Meanwhile the rest of the establishment continues to attack him. I can't help but be reminded of that press release Gingrich's campaign released earlier this year

The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakness. They fired timidly at first, then the sheep not wanting to be dropped from the establishment's cocktail party invite list unloaded their entire clip, firing without taking aim their distortions and falsehoods. Now they are left exposed by their bylines and handles. But surely they had killed him off. This is the way it always worked. A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich, once again ready to lead those who won't be intimated by the political elite and are ready to take on the challenges America faces.

It seems like Gingrich foresaw all of this, like a 27 inch Zenith, as the poet Raekwon would say
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 15, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
Really kinda weird that he has Rushbo's support but practically no one else's. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on December 15, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/15/143770049/census-1-in-2-americans-are-poor-or-low-income (http://www.npr.org/2011/12/15/143770049/census-1-in-2-americans-are-poor-or-low-income)

 :bow Supply-side economics  :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: pickle on December 15, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/15/143770049/census-1-in-2-americans-are-poor-or-low-income (http://www.npr.org/2011/12/15/143770049/census-1-in-2-americans-are-poor-or-low-income)

 :bow Supply-side economics  :bow2

So who's poor in that picture, the mother or the child? Assuming the Census is "accurate" :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 15, 2011, 09:36:32 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 15, 2011, 12:24:58 PM
Newtmania might be coming to an end:
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/12/15/romney_retakes_lead_in_iowa.html

I'm still going to vote for Newt in the caucus anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on December 15, 2011, 10:02:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Quote from: pickle on December 15, 2011, 08:33:53 PM
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/15/143770049/census-1-in-2-americans-are-poor-or-low-income (http://www.npr.org/2011/12/15/143770049/census-1-in-2-americans-are-poor-or-low-income)

 :bow Supply-side economics  :bow2

So who's poor in that picture, the mother or the child? Assuming the Census is "accurate" :smug

Small children don't have many tangible assets, so... the child?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2011, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on December 15, 2011, 12:40:20 PM
Will Ron Paul keep running for the Republican nomination and losing every 4 years till he dies?
He said this is his last "best" attempt, which is why he's not running for re-election to Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 15, 2011, 11:35:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4lvRNDWcs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2011, 12:21:29 AM
Did anyone watch the debate, I was watching shows with my brother
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(

He's with Jesus now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 16, 2011, 01:38:12 AM
and not a single fuck was given
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2011, 01:54:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(

He's with Jesus now
Reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23exYfGBl8&t=5m4s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 16, 2011, 02:11:20 AM
gaf atheists are almost as bad as reddit atheists.  and I'm a semi atheist!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on December 16, 2011, 02:38:19 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 16, 2011, 02:11:20 AM
gaf atheists are almost as bad as reddit atheists.  and I'm a semi atheist!
You are making an ass out of yourself in the Hitchens thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2011, 02:38:29 AM
It's important to feel like you belong in a club, I guess.  HAIL SCIENCE! and all that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2011, 02:39:40 AM
Quote from: The Business on December 16, 2011, 01:59:14 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(

He's with Jesus now

Posts like this make me wish this forum had a reputation system.

Honestly I probably deserve neg rep for that, stole it pretty much verbatim from Vonnegut's eulogy for Isaac Asimov.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on December 16, 2011, 11:47:22 AM
I'm getting solicited by my friend to donate money to the Paul campaign... I'd love to see the guy win the nomination - because it will shake things up, and because it'll make it even easier for Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2011, 12:34:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9slOK6WktL0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 16, 2011, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Spencer on December 16, 2011, 12:37:45 PM
Filthy libruls? A good tan? Oh my  :lol

Also smoking pot with Obama would be like the coolest thing ever
I actually wonder when Obama last had weed.  :lol We'll never know. He obviously had to say he quit for political reasons but if you read his autobiography he smoked pot like constantly throughout high school and college. No way he quit cold turkey right at the political safest time like is implied.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
If Obama wins re-election, he should do every speech with a lit blunt in his had.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 16, 2011, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2011, 01:54:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(

He's with Jesus now
Reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23exYfGBl8&t=5m4s

:rofl

Malcolm's drive/walk to his death is the best thing Spike Lee has EVER done. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 16, 2011, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 16, 2011, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2011, 01:54:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(

He's with Jesus now
Reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23exYfGBl8&t=5m4s

:rofl

Malcolm's drive/walk to his death is the best thing Spike Lee has EVER done. :bow
Second only to this:
(http://cdn.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/5640477343_d0c9ac1a1d_b-625x416.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 17, 2011, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: The Business on December 17, 2011, 08:22:44 AM
Why Obama doesn't care about the Bill of Rights and will not veto the NDAA:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/obama_to_sign_indefinite_detention_bill_into_law/

After reading this I can't support the guy anymore. His good looks, great speeches, internet savvy campaigners, they all scream "indefinite detention" now.  Please, someone, just tell me it isn't true. :(
Scary thing is Romney will be way way worse in this area. His entire foreign policy team of advisors are Neocons from the Bush white house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 17, 2011, 09:41:05 AM
Here's another indefensible position:

http://www.jdjournal.com/2011/12/08/obama-administrations-top-health-official-blocks-plan-b-pill-from-becoming-otc/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2011, 02:44:27 PM
Quote from: The Business on December 17, 2011, 01:54:55 PM
I guess you were right all along. Ron Paul 2012. :(

Sure, Ron Paul would be better on civil liberties but easily worse on everything else.

That said, I don't see myself voting for Obama in the general unless my state is polling close.  Am I gonna have to vote for crazy ass Ralph Nader again or will there be another option on the left?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on December 18, 2011, 07:22:40 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 16, 2011, 02:52:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2011, 01:54:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2011, 01:36:17 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 16, 2011, 12:42:56 AM
Christopher Hitchens just died. :(

He's with Jesus now
Reminds me of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M23exYfGBl8&t=5m4s

:rofl

Malcolm's drive/walk to his death is the best thing Spike Lee has EVER done. :bow

Not in a universe where this exists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaWtWAvUb-4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 19, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Jesus.  I must have missed something.  Were there any huge gaffes from Newt or is it just ads highlighting his past and that he's a dick?

Wait til ads start running about Paul wanting to let your kids smoke crack and how he's a racist.  Damn.  The election is going to be cake for Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2011, 11:40:40 AM
Wait...what? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2011, 12:45:35 PM
:lol at this rate Santorum has to win, right?  RIGHT?  Also, Pawlenty has to be kicking himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 19, 2011, 12:58:14 PM
this kind of stinks.  I was one of those pompous "testing-fate" liberals who felt assured Gingrich would not win in a general election.  If Paul wins Iowa than Gingrich is sunk, and Romney will pull through.    :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 19, 2011, 01:01:16 PM
Chris Wallace at FNC says that if Paul wins Iowa, it doesn't count and the voters will be discredited.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Because FNC already chose Newt.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 19, 2011, 04:09:48 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 19, 2011, 11:36:53 AM
Wait til ads start running about Paul wanting to let your kids smoke crack and how he's a racist.  Damn.  The election is going to be cake for Obama
Paul isn't leading anything except Iowa. He'll win that one state and thats the end of him.  This race is ending exactly where it started with Romney as the likely nominee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 19, 2011, 08:23:41 PM
LOL THE HOUSE suxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2011, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 16, 2011, 02:11:20 AM
gaf atheists are almost as bad as reddit atheists.  and I'm a semi atheist!

Semi-atheist? Every single religious person is a semi-atheist--they disbelieve the existence of all deities belonging to other religions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2011, 08:35:09 PM
Quote from: Flannel Boy on December 19, 2011, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 16, 2011, 02:11:20 AM
gaf atheists are almost as bad as reddit atheists.  and I'm a semi atheist!

Semi-atheist? Every single religious person is a semi-atheist--they disbelieve the existence of all deities belonging to other religions.

Add BrandNew to Himuro Plinko.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
Quote
The poll found that if the November 2012 presidential election were held today, Obama would defeat Gingrich, 51 percent to 38 percent. By contrast, Obama would defeat Romney by a narrower margin, 48 percent to 40 percent.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/14/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSTRE7BD0AI20111214

Day-um son! I think that's the highest margin I've seen Obama beating Romney so far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2011, 09:49:15 PM
Romney will easily beat Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2011, 09:57:07 PM
Quote
Mitt Romney appeared on “Fox News Sunday” yesterday, the former governor’s first Sunday show appearance in nearly two years, and Chris Wallace brought up an interesting subject: Romney’s tax plan. From the transcript:

    WALLACE: You talk about helping the middle class but your plan that would eliminate the tax on capital gains and dividends doesn’t help them. A recent study showed that a family making $75,000 a year in terms of what they would receive by eliminating capital gains and dividends, $167, sir.

   ROMNEY: Well, first of all, $167 is not zero. And number two, one of the reasons people don’t save their money is that they don’t see an incentive to do so…. What I do is allow middle-income families to finally be able to save their money tax free. No tax on interest dividends or capital gains for middle income Americans.

    WALLACE: But the argument is middle class people can’t afford, they don’t have enough money to have a lot of capital gains and dividends.

    ROMNEY: Look, I recognize it’s not a huge tax cut. It is a tax reduction and it allows middle-income folks to participate in making a brighter future for themselves and for saving.

This was a rather important exchange for a couple of reasons. The first is the basic policy realization, which the former governor is now conceding, that Romney’s plan largely ignores the middle class. For that matter, Romney has been arguing for weeks that $1,000 in middle-class families’ paychecks is a meaningless, but yesterday suggested $167 makes a big difference.

Or put another way, why does Romney think $1,000 a year is a “band-aid,” but $167 helps families make “a brighter future”?

The other problem here is simple dishonesty. Romney has spent the last several months telling voters his plan is focused on “tax cuts for the middle class,” and he doesn’t intend to “waste time trying to get tax cuts for wealthy people.” The reality, of course, is the exact opposite — Romney supports major tax breaks for the very wealthy, and as he conceded yesterday on Fox News, isn’t much focused on tax cuts for the middle class at all.

If Romney wants to make the case that middle-class tax breaks are a bad idea given the deficit, that’s fine; he can make the case. If he wants to argue that tax breaks for the wealthy are worthwhile, he can make that argument, too. But the problem is the casual, effortless dishonesty that tells the public the opposite of the truth.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/its_not_a_huge_tax_cut034186.php

this guy...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2011, 10:43:10 PM
Quote from: Spencer on December 19, 2011, 11:33:51 AM
Paul polling in lead, Newt tanking

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-leads-in-iowa.html
Two polls now, second one with Newt below 15%:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/InsiderAdvantage_IA_1218.pdf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2011, 11:13:33 PM
The day after the US leaves Iraq, the president has his VP (from a different party and sect) arrested on charges of sponsoring a death squad.

Things might get pretty messy over there, and there's gonna be a lot of bullshit written about it (to the extent that it gets covered here at all).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2011, 11:17:20 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 19, 2011, 11:13:33 PM
The day after the US leaves Iraq, the president has his VP (from a different party and sect) arrested on charges of sponsoring a death squad.

Things might get pretty messy over there, and there's gonna be a lot of bullshit written about it (to the extent that it gets covered here at all).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39BIdOP0D6E

nope
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2011, 01:57:47 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2011, 09:49:15 PM
Romney will easily beat Obama

Bookmarked.  I love a definitive Maurice Statement.  It's like the gift that gives months later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 20, 2011, 07:26:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2011, 09:49:15 PM
Romney will easily beat Obama
Romney can win. And I don't think anyone here would be surprised if he does. But it isn't going to be easily.  The handful of DNC ads ran against Romney so far were brutal on him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 20, 2011, 08:01:52 AM
romney has less of a shot than mcgovern did.  talk about something relevant you clowns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 20, 2011, 08:45:48 AM
Will Obama campaign like he did in 2008 or will he half ass it like he has done so many times post-2008?  He's done both so this makes a difference between a bigger margin of victory than 2008 or squeaking by.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2011, 09:15:40 AM
I assume it depends on the polls and who the GOP candidate winds up being. There's been talk of a $2+ billion warchest though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 20, 2011, 09:16:19 AM
It would be foolish to completely dismiss Romney winning when the economy is still doing this bad and Obama's approval still under 50%. It's rare a President is re-elected when his approval is under 50%. I think Obama is more likely to win than lose but it's going to be pretty close and I can see it going either way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2011, 10:01:25 AM
ABC/WaPo poll on a third-party Paul run:
(http://i.imgur.com/hblEt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tDaIB.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2011, 10:28:24 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on December 20, 2011, 08:45:48 AM
Will Obama campaign like he did in 2008 or will he half ass it like he has done so many times post-2008?  He's done both so this makes a difference between a bigger margin of victory than 2008 or squeaking by.

Let's be honest here- the man has only GOVERNED in a half-assed manner.  I think he knows how to campaign.  I believe he'll beat whoever emerges from the clown car as the GOP nominee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 20, 2011, 10:30:53 AM
Paul is the Republican's Nader.  Obama's base would never vote for Paul.  The only place to pull votes from is other Republicans and "independents" (lol).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 20, 2011, 10:28:24 AM
Let's be honest here- the man has only GOVERNED in a half-assed manner.  I think he knows how to campaign.  I believe he'll beat whoever emerges from the clown car as the GOP nominee.
I think he honestly underestimated the step up to the Presidency. There was a lot written about Bush and Clinton doing the same thing. (Woodward's one book is all about how Clinton came in and thought he could run it like Arkansas and before he could figure it out to adjust properly all the longtimers and opportunists (including in his Cabinet and the "they're Democrats so just appoint them" people in his staff) had decided he was weak and brought out the fangs on him in the 1993 budget fight.) But both got their focuses throw in their face: 9/11 and fighting the budget/losing HillaryCare and then Congress for the first time in half a century. Obama had to go along with his shitty Dem Congress for two years before he got anything like a challenge in the GOP House and they aren't that great and he still has the Senate dicking around being the Senate.

Anyway, Ron Paul might kill off the Iowa importance:
Quote
“It would make the caucuses mostly irrelevant if not entirely irrelevant,” said Becky Beach, a longtime Iowa Republican who helped Presidents Bush 41 and Bush 43 here. “It would have a very damaging effect because I don’t think he could be elected president and both Iowa and national Republicans wouldn’t think he represents the will of voters.”

...

“I don’t think any candidate perverting the process in that fashion helps [the caucuses] in any way,” said Iowa House Speaker Kraig Paulsen, adding that he didn’t know if that’s necessarily how Paul would win.

While there’s no evidence of an organized effort, public polling shows that Paul’s lead is built in large part with the support of non-Republicans – and few party veterans think such voters would stick with the GOP in November.

“They’ll all go back and vote for Obama,” predicted Beach.

The most troubling eventuality that Iowa Republicans are bracing for is that Paul wins the caucuses only to lose the nomination and run as a third-party candidate in November — all but ensuring President Obama is re-elected.

“If we empower somebody who turns around and elects Obama, then that’s a major problem for the caucuses,” said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa).

...

The short version: Ignore him.

“People are going to look at who comes in second and who comes in third,” said Gov. Terry Branstad. “If [Mitt] Romney comes in a strong second, it definitely helps him going into New Hampshire and the other states.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70674.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 20, 2011, 10:48:29 AM
Quote
public polling shows that Paul’s lead is built in large part with the support of non-Republicans
:rofl
She means non Americans.

But gotdamn if that isn't some impressive spin.
"Uhhh if the person we don't want to win wins, then uhh, it won't count and it will be 2nd place that will prove to be the stronger candidate....." :herp :derp: :hurr
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2011, 01:23:50 PM
Obama will win if the economy is making okay progress and will lose if it isn't, and I'm not sure where the line for "okay" is.

I'm stealing all my opinions on this from Jonathan Bernstein, but they seem pretty intuitive: Democrats will wind up voting for the Democrat, Republicans will vote for the Republican, fake independents will vote for the party they really but won't admit to supporting, and real independents will vote based on the job situation, even if they justify it otherwise.


Also, as a WaPo subscriber (I don't even know why anymore), I can tell you that Newt has been more a target of direct fire from conservative opinionmakers than Ron Paul has.  Where's the internet fairness brigade to defend him from media elitism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 20, 2011, 02:01:32 PM
Okay okay.  Real question: Who would you lefties rather have in office... Ron or Newt? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
The question is how would they wind up being president?

If Ron Paul suddenly inherited the presidency through some obscure federal statute, you'd have massive gridlock because he'd veto everything and tell his cabinet not to administer laws that he thought were unconstitutional (damn near all of them).  There would be an impeachment hearing within a year, probably sooner.  Newt would look to compromise enough for things to function and to get re-elected, though he'd probably be bad at it.

Who would I prefer if they got to enact all their favored policies?  Tough one.  Paul would completely gut the social safety net, outlaw abortion (has he ever gone on record saying what the penalties should be?), remove any oversight of corporations, revoke the civil rights act (probably the clean air and water acts too) and fuck the economy by putting us on the gold standard.  But he wouldn't start any wars and that's a very, very big deal.  Also legalizing drugs on the federal level.

Newt would only somewhat gut the social safety net, outlaw abortion, leave token corporate oversight in place, implement a bunch of small-scale idiotic ideas he had over breakfast, and probably bomb someone.


Dealing with the real life US and its politics?  Newt's less of a disaster.  Getting to be God-king and writing all the laws?  Tough call.  Paul would do some stuff I liked, but it would probably take a lot longer to repair the damage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2011, 02:38:12 PM
Welp, the House just rejected the senate deal on the payroll tax.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2011, 01:57:57 AM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/gingrich-comes-full-circle-as-iowan-calls-him-f--king-a--hole-to-his-face.php?ref=fpblg

url says it all, really.  hope you enjoyed the ride, newt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 21, 2011, 07:07:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 20, 2011, 02:28:34 PM
The question is how would they wind up being president?

If Ron Paul suddenly inherited the presidency through some obscure federal statute, you'd have massive gridlock because he'd veto everything and tell his cabinet not to administer laws that he thought were unconstitutional (damn near all of them).  There would be an impeachment hearing within a year, probably sooner.  Newt would look to compromise enough for things to function and to get re-elected, though he'd probably be bad at it.

Who would I prefer if they got to enact all their favored policies?  Tough one.  Paul would completely gut the social safety net, outlaw abortion (has he ever gone on record saying what the penalties should be?), remove any oversight of corporations, revoke the civil rights act (probably the clean air and water acts too) and fuck the economy by putting us on the gold standard.  But he wouldn't start any wars and that's a very, very big deal.  Also legalizing drugs on the federal level.

Newt would only somewhat gut the social safety net, outlaw abortion, leave token corporate oversight in place, implement a bunch of small-scale idiotic ideas he had over breakfast, and probably bomb someone.


Dealing with the real life US and its politics?  Newt's less of a disaster.  Getting to be God-king and writing all the laws?  Tough call.  Paul would do some stuff I liked, but it would probably take a lot longer to repair the damage.
I am curious to see how you'd think Romney would be if he ended up winning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2011, 11:51:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4jNOMUtsaQ

How long could you last? Hurts my brain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2011, 12:37:30 PM
TAXCUTSNOTAXINCREASETAXCUTSNOTAXINCREASETAXCUTSNOTAXINCREASETAXCUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait...wait....wait, guys. Does this tax cut actually create jobs? I don't know! Let's increase the middle class's yearly tax burden by $1,000 then, I guess!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
I'm surprised it took republicans so long to play the social security card with respect to the payroll tax cut. From what I understand the federal government uses accounting gimmicks to ensure the fund isn't effected, but obviously that can't go on forever.

It's going to look weird late next year when democrats start demanding the Bush tax cuts expire (for the wealthy, which won't happen) while arguing we must extending another payroll tax cut.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2011, 04:12:21 PM
The fund itself is an accounting gimmick to begin with, and it's designed for revenues from the general budget to flow back to Social Security when its bonds are redeemed anyways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 21, 2011, 06:50:17 PM
Quote from: Count Drugula The Satanic on December 20, 2011, 11:48:45 AM
Just found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oniFAoHgSmw

I find Obama being backed into a corner funny.
Yeesh.  Cringe worthy the way he stalls.  But honestly, what do people expect him to say on TV?  You know what he's thinking and everyone knows why we keep Israel close.  He really just should have said that geopolitics in the Middle East is very complicated.  In the interest of stablity we have to sometimes make tough decisions.  That's just the way it is.  But liberals would bitch about us not being morally upstanding (and finally admitting that we back douchebags) and conservatives would bitch and moan about the fact that our President pretty much just insulted "our greatest ally".  Tough spot for him to be in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2011, 03:15:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKAsMdIiZA
 :lol at the end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2011, 03:30:58 AM
So, apparently RON PAUL stormed out of an interview with CNN's Gloria Borger because she asked him about the newsletters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2011, 08:56:27 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 22, 2011, 03:15:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEKAsMdIiZA
 :lol at the end.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2011, 10:47:51 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2011, 11:21:25 AM
After watching that video too much, wtf is up with 0:06-10 in that video, it's like she races through the words to suddenly slow back down with the music.

Rick Perry ads 20 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81hP7418O8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1i9qLUgPY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 22, 2011, 11:31:25 AM
To be fair everyone has a personal interest in making sure Ron Paul doesn't get elected  8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 22, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
it was just a joke :(  I thought you'd at least laugh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2011, 11:35:40 AM
I didn't know Mandark worked for CNN!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
He has given that same answer for decades, but nobody paid attention so I see why he gets upset when that's all anyone wants to talk about. I don't entirely buy, as I think I've said here before, the claim he didn't completely know what was being published, but it's been at least since the early 90's that he's been saying they were entirely wrong and he disagrees with them. He used to claim he had been derelict in not watching what was being published in his name, but he dropped that when he started running for President again five years ago.

It's probably Rockwell he doesn't want to throw under the bus by saying it was him overseeing the newsletters. The Rockwell people are almost as insane as Objectivists.

It's funny how aspects of the media will obsess over 15-20 year old things like this or Cain's stupidity with women or Clinton's draft dodging/drug use or Bush's national guard/drunk driving suddenly when they're in the lead. (Never before!) But will at the same time cover up or deny something like was going on with John Edwards even though he could have potentially won the nomination had they succeeded. (Or basically ignore the Bush national guard "story" four years earlier just to "discover" it again four years later and think it was the most important thing ever.)

Not to mention believing and not once investigating the whole bullshit about our Kenyan Islamist President's fake birth certificate. And don't get me started about all the homosexuals at Obama's church who have just happened to have "randomly" died under mysterious circumstances.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 22, 2011, 12:34:20 PM
There's an unspoken rule where no-hope candidates get a pass on the hard questions.  If you jump in the national or Iowa polls then you get more scrutiny.  Herman Cain was "running" for months and the sexual harassment settlement didn't break until he was considered a frontrunner.  George Will and Kathleen Parker didn't bother writing takedowns of Newt until he inherited the Cain bubble.   That's how it works.

Ron Paul's supporters have been whinging for years about him not getting covered like a credible candidate.  I hate to break it to you, but this is how credible candidates get treated.  What Paul did was a while ago, granted, but it was politically idiotic and he's never manned up and owned it.  Anyone who actually wants Ron Paul to win or for his ideas to catch on with a wider audience should be disappointed in him for continually fucking up on this, rather than getting a martyr complex over the media not covering up on his behalf.

See also http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/12/ron-pauls-shaggy-defense/250256/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 22, 2011, 01:01:38 PM
Wow before I read that article I disliked Paul because of his policies but reading that quotes makes me dislike him on a whole different level.  What a dbag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2011, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 22, 2011, 12:34:20 PM
I hate to break it to you, but this is how credible candidates get treated.
But you aren't breaking it to me, and it's not how "credible" candidates are treated. Discount that none of the candidates, "credible" or not, are treated with anything regarding sanity or actual depth. The "most credible" candidates get kid glove treatment always. For good reason.

Not counting that it's an entirely "narrative" driven affair ala sports "journalism" in the end anyway. And none of the above applies to just Ron Paul either. Who is "credible"? 1% polling Rick Santorum, 1% polling Jon Huntsman or 1% polling Gary Johnson?
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What Paul did was a while ago, granted, but it was politically idiotic and he's never manned up and owned it.
And he did, but suddenly dropped it when he "went big" again as I said. I assume he's afraid of losing the money by denouncing Rockwell personally.
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rather than getting a martyr complex over the media not covering up on his behalf.
I didn't. I pointed out again he's screwing this up to protect Rockwell and I don't buy his entire claim anyway. But added an aside snarking about the medias fascination with meaningless things from decades ago yet little interest in anything logical.

Ron Paul has said the same thing on the newsletters for decades, he's not going to say something different, you aren't going to get anything new from him. He has plenty to say about war, drugs, the fed, etc.

He will never win and his ideas will never catch on, that doesn't really matter regarding the critique.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 22, 2011, 01:06:52 PM
it doesn't surprise me that someone with an 18th century conception of politics has an 18th century conception of race. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 22, 2011, 01:29:47 PM
benji, I wasn't talking about you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 22, 2011, 08:29:56 PM
Remember when Ron Paul hired a Klansman for his 2008 run?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/01/15/437394/-BREAKING:-Ron-Pauls-Klansman-Kampaign-Koordinator

One of many reasons why he doesn't get taken too seriously outside of a subset of hardcore followers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2011, 10:53:08 PM
Ron Paul didn't hire him. It was a campaign aid.

The name of that campaign aid? Barack Obama. So there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2011, 05:34:19 AM
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/12/22/too-easy/

Okay, I think that's not a nice thing to say, but...


:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2011, 07:20:48 PM
http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/game-over-scans-of-over-50-ron-paul.html

50 scanned pages of the Ron Paul Newsletter from throughout the years.  Only read a few pages so far, but I don't think it'll let you down.

Quote from: Ron Paul Newsletter
The only safe sex, medically and morally, is that between husband and wife.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2011, 07:43:03 PM
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there's no way Paul could have been ignorant of the content [of] 8-12 page newsletters published under his name for over ten years. Paul supporters face three losing propositions:

• He lacks the competency to control content published under his own name for over a decade, and is thus unfit to lead a country.
• He doesn't believe these things but considers them a useful political tool to motivate racist whites, which makes him fit to be a GOP candidate, but too obvious about it to win.
• He's actually a racist, which makes him unfit to be a human being.

pretty much. I don't believe Paul is racist but he clearly has no qualms that much of his base are either racists or conspiracy peddlers. Who else is there to pander/get money from when corporations and unions don't like you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2011, 07:54:09 PM
The two interesting aspects for me are how this gets discussed (with racism being treated as a Boolean value, especially by Paul's defenders), and how radical activist types like Paul choose their allies, if they choose them at all.

Oh yeah, there's the third aspect of how hilarious this is in a General Jack Ripper sorta way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FoneBone on December 23, 2011, 11:00:24 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on December 22, 2011, 12:08:45 PM
He has given that same answer for decades, but nobody paid attention so I see why he gets upset when that's all anyone wants to talk about. I don't entirely buy, as I think I've said here before, the claim he didn't completely know what was being published, but it's been at least since the early 90's that he's been saying they were entirely wrong and he disagrees with them. He used to claim he had been derelict in not watching what was being published in his name, but he dropped that when he started running for President again five years ago.
Er, he didn't distance himself from the letters until 2001.  During his 1996 campaign - when they first surfaced as an issue - he defended their content and implied that he had written them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 23, 2011, 11:11:01 PM
I think Ron Paul is a racist and that he had a lot more to do with those articles than his fans care to admit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2011, 11:16:06 PM
but libertarians are genetically incapable of being racist!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2011, 11:38:49 PM
Can you say newtmentum?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2011, 12:04:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix9nnVWD-cU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 24, 2011, 01:32:07 AM
There goes PD, playing the race card again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2011, 01:32:56 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 23, 2011, 11:38:49 PM
Can you say newtmentum?

No.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 24, 2011, 06:37:42 AM
HE LOOKS LIKE A CAR BOMBER, HE LOOKS LIKE A CAR BOMBER, CLARENCE, HE LOOKS. LIKE. A. CAR. BOMBER.

i want to forcefully feed this guy some marijuana so he would realize how much of a cunt he comes off like
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 15, 2011, 11:35:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ4lvRNDWcs

LTTP, but this is AMAZING.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2011, 06:06:04 PM
I'll give Paul a pass there. The pic was taken at a values voter even or something, and it's likely he didn't know who Don Black was
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2011, 08:05:50 PM
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By now you've likely heard that our effort to gain access to the primary ballot in Virginia was not successful. This was not due to a lack of effort by our volunteers, but the cumbersome process in Virginia.

We are exploring alternate methods to compete in Virginia - stay tuned.

Going forward, we will be as in-front of the process as possible and with the help of our grassroots volunteers we will make all other deadlines.

Newt and I have talked three or four times today and he stated that this is not catastrophic - we will continue to learn and grow. Remember that it was only a few months ago that pundits and the press declared us dead after the paid consultants left. They declared that the decision not to compete in the Ames Straw Poll would mean that Iowans would ignore us. Some will again state that this is fatal.

Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941: We have experienced an unexpected set-back, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action. Throughout the next months there will be ups and downs; there will be successes and failures; there will be easy victories and difficult days - but in the end we will stand victorious.

To help achieve that outcome we each need to spend the next 24 hours enjoying our families and friends as much as possible. Enjoy their company. Be grateful for them. Gather strength from them. The promise of a better future for our family and friends is the reason we are committed to rebuilding the America we love.

May the spirit of the season fill each of you. Merry Christmas.

Michael Krull
National Campaign Director
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/24/newt-gingrich-virginia-gop-primary_n_1168634.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2011, 08:15:18 PM
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Newt Gingrich failed to amass the 10,000 signatures needed in order to secure a place on the ballot in the party's March 6th primary election.

Ouch. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 24, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
Virginia is not deserving of such a brilliant and heroic patriot, as Newton Leroy Gingrich.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
-Newt Gingrich
[close]

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2011, 12:03:00 PM
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/12/26/im-not-homophobic-i-just-dont-like-being-around-gays-and-their-bathrooms-scare-me/

Of course, none of this should really be disqualifying but the whole "doesn't want to dry hump Israel" stuff is what will kill him.  Poor RON PAUL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2011, 12:14:35 PM
I don't see any direct quotes, hyperlinked to direct sources, in that article. Dr. Paul is incapable of being a bigot, as are all libertarians and federalists
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2011, 12:38:06 PM
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 26, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
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Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941: We have experienced an unexpected set-back, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action.

I like how this sort of makes it sound like a routine thing, like this guy and Newt meet every week or so to decide on the best grandiose historical analogy for the most recent events in the campaign and use it to retheme the staff intranet or whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 26, 2011, 04:38:42 PM
Maybe they've worked out a system ahead of time, so they can respond without having to coordinate.


A setback - Japan attacks Pearl Harbor

An unfavorable ruling in court - Dred Scott

Censured by Congressional ethics committee - Socrates forced to drink hemlock

Disagreement with his support of Israel - the Dreyfuss Affair

Criticism of his extramarital affairs - the Oscar Wilde trial (possibly a gaffe)

Campaign donations (when being outraised by a rival) - the power and temptation of the One True Ring

Winning any state primary - V-E Day, the Battle of Agincourt, the Seige of Yorktown, the sinking of the Armada, and the destruction of the Death Star (both times) rolled into one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 26, 2011, 04:44:06 PM
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Winning any state primary - V-E Day, the Battle of Agincourt, the Seige of Yorktown, the sinking of the Armada, and the destruction of the Death Star (both times) rolled into one.

 :o Like a George Lucas intercutting-between-battle-scenes finale, but with added profound historical insight!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2011, 06:10:40 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 26, 2011, 04:44:06 PM
Quote
Winning any state primary - V-E Day, the Battle of Agincourt, the Seige of Yorktown, the sinking of the Armada, and the destruction of the Death Star (both times) rolled into one.

 :o Like a George Lucas intercutting-between-battle-scenes finale, but with added profound historical insight!
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 26, 2011, 10:24:16 PM
What's the Newt-quivalent of 9/11? Losing the primary?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2011, 06:42:39 PM
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Newt Gingrich voiced enthusiasm for Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health-care law when it was passed five years ago, the same plan he has been denouncing over the past few months as he campaigned for the Republican presidential nomination.

"The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system," said an April 2006 newsletter published by Mr. Gingrich's former consulting company, the Center for Health Transformation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204296804577123043147395330.html

Hahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 27, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
I think we all know the real lesson now.

If you want to get elected, never start a newsletter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2011, 12:06:48 AM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/6/shannyn.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 28, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 27, 2011, 08:15:15 PM
I think we all know the real lesson now.

If you want to get elected, never start a newsletter.

Newsletters are Twitter for the Boomer generation!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2011, 04:21:53 PM
If Ron Paul wins the Iowa caucuses, do you think we'll be lucky enough to have FoC come back?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2011, 04:23:30 PM
Nah, he's probably living the high life in Somalia by now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 28, 2011, 07:04:43 PM
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“Every barrel of oil that comes out of those sands in Canada is a barrel of oil that we don’t have to buy from a foreign source,” Mr. Perry said in Clarinda, earning a loud round of enthusiastic applause.

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2011, 08:54:00 PM
51st State  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2011, 09:03:05 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/donald-trump-dog-whistles-another-fact-free-racist-conspiracy-about-obama-video.php?ref=fpblg
 :drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 29, 2011, 12:10:50 AM
wow @ that website

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/ron-paul-hired-anti-gay-activist-to-run-iowa-campaign.php?ref=fpa

"in this article we deliberately mislead you with a sensationalistic title and an equally misleading photo that falsely implies that Ron Paul said in a speech that he wants to kill gays in an effort to gain religious fringe votes, while the person who the article is actually about isn't mentioned until well within the actual body of text"

stay classy pd :pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 12:19:11 AM
....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 12:21:52 AM
Yeah PD, stop posting stories from a site where other, unrelated stories are given overwrought headlines!

Uncle drew, tell us about the conspiracies behind vaccination and water fluoridation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:04:23 AM
so i take it you're a fan of mandatory vaccination programs and bathing your guts in unnecessary chemicals?

if you're implying that i get my "news" from infowars you can stop hissing at me, i hadn't heard of that hilarious piece of internet until this very thread when our very own boogie mentioned it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
....I'm a supporter of both of those things
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 01:09:46 AM
On a side note, a co-worker's mother recently had what seemed to be a stroke after Christmas. Turns out it was some strain of meningitis; she's a high school teacher. She had never had a shot to protect against it.

anyway back on subject, carry on Drew
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
Everyone knows meningitis is caused by drinking pasteurized milk as mandated by the FDA, PD.  Don't be a noob.

Quote from: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:04:23 AM
so i take it you're a fan of... bathing your guts in unnecessary chemicals?

If you saw what I eat, you'd know there was no need to ask this question.  Also, Cormac might slap me through the internet.

And "bwuh?" to infowars.  I'm just funnin' on Ron Paul fans' tendencies towards alternative epistemologies and almost maternal protectiveness of the good doctor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2011, 01:20:15 AM
bububu even babies love ron paul!!!!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nRXM7cRpTxg/TlHdttdeR3I/AAAAAAAAD0c/rjcD7uAFZAQ/s1600/babies%2Bkiss%2Bron%2Bpaul.png)

:barf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:22:33 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 29, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
....I'm a supporter of both of those things

is that a joke about drinking alcohol? a man as smart as you couldn't possibly want their local government to be tasked with brushing your own god damn teeth.
Title: It would be an adventure!
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:27:38 AM
Really drew, nobody's stopping your from digging your own well, or desalinating your own saltwater, a la Voyage of the Mimi.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2011, 01:29:37 AM
As Iowa nears, Santorum froths up the polls (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/cnn-poll-santorum-surges-in-iowa-as-romney-and-paul-battle-for-first.php?ref=fpb)

Yesssss!  Spread, Santorum, spread!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:31:51 AM
i actually have both of those things, a well up in Michigan at the lake house and an under the sink filter for my parents house here in Ohio.  i just want to yell at people about how they live their lives from a desk chair like every other god fearing American on this here internet :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:33:27 AM
Santorum, with all his frothiness and unlikability, would probably be the trickiest opponent for Romney, in that he's never done anything obviously "wrong" by conservative standards and seems to have no personal scandals.

I still think Romney's a lock (and wish I could have bet money on him at 5-1), but it would be a lot easier to train his fire on Gingrich or Paul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 29, 2011, 01:34:17 AM
Quote from: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:22:33 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 29, 2011, 01:08:25 AM
....I'm a supporter of both of those things

is that a joke about drinking alcohol? a man as smart as you couldn't possibly want their local government to be tasked with brushing your own god damn teeth.

A man as stupid as you would say that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:38:58 AM
slick rebuttal brah
Title: Game over, man. Game over.
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:41:10 AM
This is why the flattery-as-argument gambit is so risky.  What can you do now, say "I always secretly thought you were dumb"?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:33:27 AM
Santorum, with all his frothiness and unlikability, would probably be the trickiest opponent for Romney, in that he's never done anything obviously "wrong" by conservative standards and seems to have no personal scandals.

I still think Romney's a lock (and wish I could have bet money on him at 5-1), but it would be a lot easier to train his fire on Gingrich or Paul.

He voted for Medicare part D!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2011, 01:44:48 AM
I would actually love to see Romney decide to seize on that and wind up running against Medicare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 29, 2011, 09:10:50 AM
Quote from: drew on December 29, 2011, 01:31:51 AM
i actually have both of those things, a well up in Michigan at the lake house and an under the sink filter for my parents house here in Ohio.  i just want to yell at people about how they live their lives from a desk chair like every other god fearing American on this here internet :'(

You live with your parents?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 29, 2011, 10:40:29 AM
Self-sufficiency!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 29, 2011, 10:55:24 AM
the free market has guided drew there. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2011, 12:07:26 PM
Fox News seems to be in full pro-Santorum mode (he's a policy wonk, with experience!), but they don't realize it's already over:
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Just days before the critical Iowa caucus, Ron Paul has secured a major endorsement – from Kelly Clarkson.

The “American Idol” winner expressed her support for the Republican presidential candidate on Twitter.

“I love Ron Paul,” Clarkson wrote on Thursday. “I liked him a lot during the last republican nomination and no one gave him a chance. If he wins the nomination for the Republican party in 2012 he’s got my vote. Too bad he probably won’t.”

She explained, “Ron Paul is about letting people decide, not the government. I am for this.”
http://www.gossipcop.com/kelly-clarkson-ron-paul-endorsement-support-president-2012-republican-twitter/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 29, 2011, 12:09:28 PM
This should be in the dictionary under "confidence"

(http://i.imgur.com/h1mhF.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2011, 01:19:09 PM
When Ron Paul says he's about letting "people" decide, obviously he's referring to corporations, because they're people too!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 29, 2011, 01:21:31 PM
He's all for letting people decide and obviously those with the most money get the biggest voice.  Obviously.  I mean, they've earned it through the free market and hard work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2011, 01:55:59 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on December 29, 2011, 12:09:28 PM
This should be in the dictionary under "confidence"

(http://i.imgur.com/h1mhF.jpg)

Geez.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 02:55:25 PM
I saw an article on Red State (by Erickson) slamming Santorum for his sins against conservative principles - for medicare part d, against NAFTA, voting for the minimum wage, etc.

The obvious question becomes: what do republicans want? Erickson is clearly against Romney, yet he has trashed every anti-Romney. Now he's arguing Santorum has no money and therefore a media led surge for him will only hurt the candidates that have a shot at beating Romney - Perry, Bachman, and Gingrich. You know, the three candidates he and other conservatives trashed at one point.

Romney will probably cruise to the nomination, outside of losing South Carolina. Not that him winning was ever in doubt, but conservatives could have held him off if they consolidated behind one candidate. Right now Bachman, Perry, and Santorum all have around 10% in Iowa - together that's 30% that's against Romney; hell include Gingrich's support and you're at like 43%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2011, 02:58:46 PM
Republicans want a candidate who doesn't exist- some sort of absolutely pure representation of movement Conservatism.  It ain't out there, because the essence of actually governing is compromising, which the GOP electorate want nothing to do with, as evidenced with the spread of Teahadism, etc etc etc, ad infinitum, blah blah blah. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 29, 2011, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 29, 2011, 02:58:46 PM
Republicans want a candidate who doesn't exist- some sort of absolutely pure representation of movement Conservatism.  It ain't out there, because the essence of actually governing is compromising, which the GOP electorate want nothing to do with, as evidenced with the spread of Teahadism, etc etc etc, ad infinitum, blah blah blah.

To wit:

(http://www.kaltoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Right-Republican-cover-web1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 29, 2011, 08:38:41 PM
They forgot Jefferson's slaves and teddy Roosevelt's pile of dead Cubans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2011, 08:54:08 PM
Republicans want someone who is electable but is a thoroughbred conservative in the post 2008 sense.  The problem is that this person doesn't exist so they're scrambling.  Which is great in my opinion because one side will get pissy and hopefully stay home or have shitty turnout come election time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 08:58:17 PM
I just can't see any large amount of republicans staying home and letting Obama get re-elected. They pretty much hate the man across the board and honestly believe he's destroying the country. No way they say "fuck Romney, I'm staying home" next November
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2011, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 08:58:17 PM
I just can't see any large amount of republicans staying home and letting Obama get re-elected. They pretty much hate the man across the board and honestly believe he's destroying the country. No way they say "fuck Romney, I'm staying home" next November

Teatards frequently fuck with the future of the GOP with their dumbfuck antics.  It can happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2011, 09:23:28 PM
Pretty much all Republicans are going to come out and vote for the nominee, unless it's Paul which of course won't happen.  The question is, will enough "independents" (low information voters, idiots, etc) be able to convince themselves they're not voting for someone straight out of the Spanish Inquisition to swing it to the eventual GOP nominee?  Odds are no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2011, 09:31:06 PM
If the economy sucks or is stalled? Why not
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 29, 2011, 10:38:24 PM
Because each one of the GOP nominees are terribly, terribly flawed in some way, and enough idiot voters will probably realize that continuing to give the super rich tax cuts isn't a recipe for success.

Mainly though, because you and Cheebs are convinced Obama will lose. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 29, 2011, 11:53:06 PM
Voters are pretty dumb. Im still afraid of some crazy bastard winning just cause hes 'someone different'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 30, 2011, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 29, 2011, 10:38:24 PM
Because each one of the GOP nominees are terribly, terribly flawed in some way, and enough idiot voters will probably realize that continuing to give the super rich tax cuts isn't a recipe for success.

Mainly though, because you and Cheebs are convinced Obama will lose.
I am not convinced. It will be very close between Obama and Romney but I give Obama the slight edge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2011, 12:35:12 PM
Romney will win with a Bush 2004-esque electoral vote and map imo due to massive drops in youth and minority (Hispanic) voting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2011, 01:39:33 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-tears-iowa-speaking-mother-172353290.html
:fbm

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 31, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
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GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich, who takes every opportunity possible to assure voters that he is the most serious candidate in the race, said he would be open to appointing Sarah Palin to a high level job in his administration. As Right Wing Watch reports, during a Wednesday night tele-town hall hosted by Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition, a caller asked the former Speaker if he would consider Palin as a running mate. Gingrich responded that Palin “is certainly one of the people you would look at” and told the caller that he is “a great admirer of hers.” He also floated the idea of appointing her Secretary of Energy because, he said, “I can’t imagine anybody who would do a better job of driving us to an energy solution than Gov. Palin.” “Tell her that she would certainly be on the list of one of the people we would consider,” he added.
Quote

Dear GAWD, this would be the best thing ever.

It's a shame Newt'll never get the nom. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on December 31, 2011, 01:24:01 PM
Goin' low-brow here but I was looking at a GQ mag at the local salon and they had an article on Huntsman's eldest daughters. All of them are pretty hot. Huntsman for President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 31, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/obama-signs-defense-reauthorization-bill.php?ref=fpa -- the ndaa was a rider on a bill for military funding. if he didn't sign it, he hates the troops and america. it doesn't excuse obama's lack of moral courage, but this is an artifact of congressional patriot games.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 31, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/obama-signs-defense-reauthorization-bill.php?ref=fpa -- the ndaa was a rider on a bill for military funding. if he didn't sign it, he hates the troops and america. it doesn't excuse obama's lack of moral courage, but this is an artifact of congressional patriot games.
Not if you believe Sen. Levin, who claims the administration demanded the language be included in the bill

regardless, this is something that should have been vetoed the minute it was passed; instead it's been signed weeks after passage during the holiday recess. If this was vetoed congress would have had no problem re-writing the bill in order to get out of town for the holidays
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 31, 2011, 05:29:38 PM
yeah, this is really suspect. i'd kill to know what the REAL reason for its 94-6 senate passage and obama's lame duck excusing is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 05:37:44 PM
His own excuse is laughable too. It's like signing a bill that eliminates the first amendment and saying "I will make sure to never authorize any actions that eliminate free speech." You just opened the door, dumbass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 05:45:02 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/mattyglesias/status/153242996551323648
I'd love to hear a reporter ask some iteration of this point at Obama's next press conference.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on December 31, 2011, 06:10:53 PM
Look what a journalist wrote about Romney:
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"Above all, he looked like a President. Handsome, silver-haired, robust, masculine, smiling or stern, he seemed cast for the part by Hollywood's Central Casting. Correspondents who liked him called him 'Mr. Straight Arrow;' those whose flesh crawled at his pieties called him 'Mr. Square,' or worse... He would make a forthright statement one day, then, like a man making up his mind in public, contradict it or modify it on another."
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George Romney that is. Back in 1968 when he ran for President.
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It's eerie how well it matches up.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 31, 2011, 06:34:46 PM
In fairness to the Chairman, didn't it not matter whether he signed it or not? It got massive votes in both houses didn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 06:36:10 PM
Yea but I'd much rather see this passed by congressional veto override than having a liberal Harvard constitutional law professor pass it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2011, 06:54:59 PM
I wasn't aware that a liberal Harvard constitutional law professor was in the position to veto it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 31, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
I'm not sure what the surprise is, Obama has done jack and shit about this type of thing since his declaration to shut down Guantanamo Bay.

That and this is within a year of the 2012 election.  Nobody wants to look like a pacifist pussy, especially if there isn't an aggressive public opinion wanting that stuff curtailed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 08:14:42 PM
I'm pretty sure Obama can't look like a pacifist pussy after taking out Osama and most of his organization. If any president had a mandate on that shit, it should be him. But he has a worse record on civil liberties than Bush so maybe we shouldn't be surprised. Still, this is something people could be taking about for decades.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
Operative word there was liberal.  Obama is no liberal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
The point is that this is a guy who was a pretty liberal constitutional law professor at Harvard. This isn't some guy with a long history of far right views on civil liberties, and yet makes Bush's record on the issue seem good in comparison.

I'm super curious to see what young voters and Hispanics do next year. It's really hard to see either group coming out in droves to support more of the same from this administration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2011, 11:17:07 PM
Hispanics are going to come out and vote in high numbers, not for any particular love of Obama but because they hate the Republicans so much at this point.  Young people who knows.  I go back and forth over whether I'll bother to vote for Obama these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on January 01, 2012, 01:06:20 AM
Shit like this makes Ron Paul a feasible candidate

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:teehee
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:21:46 AM
Quote from: The Business on December 31, 2011, 05:12:03 PM
The president is officially an asshole. He signed the NDAA, making indefinite detention available to all Americans. :(

Guess we'll be sharing a cell with Wrath for 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2012, 01:38:08 AM
Sharing? The Business will be your guard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2012, 01:40:02 AM
We = EB

Get it together, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2012, 03:21:51 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2011, 06:36:10 PM
a liberal Harvard constitutional law professor

He taught at Chicago, where he didn't publish anything (liberal or otherwise), and his course materials were notably non-ideological (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/inside-professor-obamas-classroom/).

The real story here is that civil libertarians are getting their asses kicked and kicked hard.  This was what, 93-7 in the Senate?  That tells you just who the politicians are actually afraid of, and it's not the ACLU.  In the history of the US, has anyone ever lost an elected office because they supported more powers and less oversight of the intelligence services?  Is there any natural constituency for fighting this stuff outside a smallish ideological minority?  How widespread and blatant would abuse of power have to be before it became a winning issue for liberal activists?

These aren't rhetorical questions; I haven't read stuff like Legacy of Ashes which might shed some light.  But you can probably gather that I'm less than optimistic about the situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fomalhaut on January 01, 2012, 07:47:38 AM
So is this not like 10 feet away from pure blooded fascism? why aren't we in fucking arms about this shit? no seriously???

oh wait we'll just be detained... forever. as political dissidents and haters of Freedom
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2012, 08:17:00 AM
Quote from: The Business on January 01, 2012, 04:28:56 AM
It's interesting that Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma (one of my guys) voted against it. He doesn't seem to be the type that cares too much about civil liberties. He voted to extend the PATRIOT act. He cares about liberty as far as liberty from taxes and that's about it.

He probably voted against it for financial reasons, to be honest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2012, 09:19:13 AM
I'm still not sure why in 2012 people still think Obama is a progressive bro in arms.  He's made it pretty clear that is a center right corporatist.  At this point, nobody should be fooled by anything he does.

I'll still vote for him because he is not a Republican.  The bar is set that low.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on January 01, 2012, 12:27:54 PM
Merry Christmas gringos!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2012, 08:28:21 PM
ha I was wondering when this argument would resurface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as2Z5K-eN4s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 01, 2012, 08:38:31 PM
I can't bring myself to watch that.  Is he meant to be pro-life because abortions are hurting the black community, or because slavery means he should support an expansive definition of "human"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2012, 11:13:46 PM
pretty much the latter: he finds it ridiculous that a black man supports the government declaring who is and is not a person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 02, 2012, 02:18:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otjaXOLxJko
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
 :lol

"shut it down, that's enough!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 02, 2012, 02:28:27 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
It's depressing that 9 out of 10 top Republican contenders basically see Reagan, or at least want their base to perceive that they see Reagan, as basically on par with Jesus [always right, infallible].
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 02, 2012, 07:52:31 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2012, 02:35:37 PM
It's depressing that 9 out of 10 top Republican contenders basically see Reagan, or at least want their base to perceive that they see Reagan, as basically on par with Jesus [always right, infallible].

Both of whom did many things that current day Republicans would despise them for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 11:47:10 PM
cheebs where are youuuuu. It's time for predictions for Iowa's results tomorrow

Phoenix Dark's prediction:
1. Santorum
2. Paul
3. Romney
4. Gingrich
5. Perry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2012, 11:50:15 PM
I'm rooting for anybody but Romney since he's probably the strongest candidate in a general election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 03, 2012, 11:18:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/krsE1.png)

lol @ long hair; fuckin scary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Is that Crispin Glover?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2012, 12:32:24 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 03, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Romney was murdered shortly after that picture was taken, and replaced by a satanic cult.

Come on, that guy is so stoned he probably thinks he's at a Led Zeppelin concert.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 12:47:44 PM
Mitt is simply a man of the people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqRnxs04ip4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 03, 2012, 01:02:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 11:47:10 PM
cheebs where are youuuuu. It's time for predictions for Iowa's results tomorrow

Phoenix Dark's prediction:
1. Santorum
2. Paul
3. Romney
4. Gingrich
5. Perry

1. Paul
2. Santorum
3. Romney
4. Gingrich
5. Perry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 03, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
I'll probably never go to Iowa, I know thats not fair to say- but that place is like another country
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
Iowa isn't bad, it's no Kansas for instance lolol. I've driven through Iowa a couple times and it was very nice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 03, 2012, 01:15:18 PM
Paultards are going to be so annoying if he happens to win Iowa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 03, 2012, 01:15:27 PM
Yeah, you really ought to give Iowa a try
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 03, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 03, 2012, 01:15:18 PM
Paultards are going to be so annoying if he happens to win Iowa.
They will shut up in a week when he loses NH at least.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
I hope he wins Iowa, just so FoC comes back.  A man can dream.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
I hope Paul wins just so Fox News gets egg on their face for a couple of days.

He's not going to get the nomination, nor would I ever vote for him but I do mostly like Paul's foreign policy stances (with a few exceptions). Back in 08 during the debates he articulated the best anti-war position on either side.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 03, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 03, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
I hope he wins Iowa, just so FoC comes back.  A man can dream.
I tried to do some google stalking on him to see if he was around somewhere. Every link was either GAF or The Bore.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 03, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
Like most people offline/online they are completely different. I never really interacted with FOC online on forums but over Xbox Live he was a nice dude. We played a good amount of Bad Company 2. But I think eventually he just stopped playing Xbox so I removed him from my friends list to make room for others who play.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 03, 2012, 02:40:01 PM
What time are the caucases today?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 03, 2012, 02:52:23 PM
I stand corrected, Iowa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZZ6JD0g9Y
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 03, 2012, 02:54:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 03, 2012, 02:40:01 PM
What time are the caucases today?
8 PM EST. If I remember right we found out Obama/Huckabee won in 2008 around 11/12 EST.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 03, 2012, 06:38:08 PM
Quote from: The Mittster
“My ambition is to make sure that we start creating jobs again in this country and that we have rising median incomes, as opposed to the 10% decline we’ve seen in the last four years.

“To get people back into work, get higher incomes, and let people have a middle-income life standard they had in the past. That’s the whole effort that I’m involved in.

“Somebody who’s fallen from the middle class to poverty, in my opinion is still middle class.”

Well then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 06:42:55 PM
:rofl

These fucking guys!

"In my opinion, someone who has AIDS is still healthy!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 03, 2012, 06:44:50 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on January 03, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
I'll probably never go to Iowa, I know thats not fair to say- but that place is like another country

We're generally a blue state, have gay marriage, and we don't have the death penalty.  Plus unemployment is lower here than on the coasts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 06:47:41 PM
"In my opinion, someone who just got raped has been having sex!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 03, 2012, 06:50:46 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 03, 2012, 06:47:41 PM
"In my opinion, someone who just got raped has been having sex!"

This could be the start of a great meme.

"In my opinion, someone who is a paraplegic still has 2 legs."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 06:52:17 PM
"In my opinion, people who are eating rats to survive aren't going to bed hungry!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2012, 07:17:16 PM
"In my opinion, people who don't have jobs are still employed!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 08:46:23 PM
msnbc stream: http://www.rentadrone.tv/msnbc-live-rockinroosters/

Romney potentially in third place lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 09:04:08 PM
Fineman is reporting that Bachman's top staff members are suggesting she drop out. Haha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 09:06:31 PM
If Romney loses to RON PAUL and a guy who equates teh gay with rape and dog fucking, I can't WAIT for the msm to spin the Iowa caucuses as "OH THEY DON'T MEAN SHIT!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 09:04:08 PM
Fineman is reporting that Bachman's top staff members are suggesting she drop out. Haha

This is surprising to me.  The part where Bachmann still has staff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 09:30:37 PM
SANTORUM IS SPREADING!!!  :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 03, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
What is that people like about Frothy-Frothy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 09:35:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 03, 2012, 09:32:59 PM
What is that people like about Frothy-Frothy?

He's a REAL CONSERVATIVE who wants to do away with taxes AND the homos.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 10:18:05 PM
Santorum has basically a half a point lead with 48% of the precincts reporting.  Ron Paul has been relegated to 3rd place where he belongs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
I'm gonna laugh so hard if Paul comes in third. Oh man, I might just get banned for trolling Gabron and his ilk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 03, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
(http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20168e4eff90e970c-800wi)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 03, 2012, 10:43:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 10:20:41 PM
I'm gonna laugh so hard if Paul comes in third. Oh man, I might just get banned for trolling Gabron and his ilk

You know what must be done, PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2012, 10:49:47 PM
Santorum back up at 88%:
Quote
Rick Santorum
26,443    24.6%   
—
 Mitt Romney
26,398    24.5      
—
 Ron Paul
22,728    21.1      
—
 Newt Gingrich
14,244    13.2      
—
 Rick Perry
11,099    10.3      
—
 Michele Bachmann
5,496    5.1      
—
 Jon Huntsman
628    0.6      
—
 Other
277    0.3      
—
 No Preference
168    0.2      
—
 Herman Cain
53    0.1      
—
 Buddy Roemer
44    0.0      
Entrance polls: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/states/iowa/exit-polls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 10:52:59 PM
Haha the Paul thread on GAF is dead :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 11:07:36 PM
Watch Paul's live speech. Rand looks like he's going to cry

 :santocry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 11:25:04 PM
Romney is currently beating an ex-Senator who equates gay sex with dog fucking and pedophilia by only 13 votes with 92% of precincts reporting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 11:27:26 PM
Gingrich is making it clear he's going to destroy Romney and help Santorum haha. Oh boy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 03, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
Santorum as the winner?

:rofl

the Republican party is fucking stupid.  Obama must be loling hard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 11:41:27 PM
SPREAD, SANTORUM, SPREAD!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
96% in:
Quote
Rick Santorum
28,958    24.6%   
—
 Mitt Romney
28,879    24.6   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 03, 2012, 11:42:59 PM
I'm out-trolling you in the Ron Paul thread PD.  Where you at?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2012, 11:43:34 PM
hey man, this Michigan v VT game is amazing!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 11:44:54 PM
9 VOTES SEPARATING THEM!!!

Who was our Iowa resident that was gonna caucus?  TEXP right?  I wonder if he caucused for Santorum.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 11:48:10 PM
Dammit, Bachmann is saying she's staying in.  DON'T YOU REALIZE THAT YOUR 5% OF THE CRAZY COULD HAVE PUT SANTORUM OVER THE TOP TONIGHT, WOMAN?  STFU AND GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN SO YOUR HUSBAND CAN WATCH PROJECT RUNWAY!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
Hey. She's not a politician.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 03, 2012, 11:51:30 PM
some dude is telling me santorum isn't the tea party candidate, michelle bachmann is

 ???

yeah okay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 03, 2012, 11:54:32 PM
Santorum has built up a frothy lead of over 100 votes again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 03, 2012, 11:57:10 PM
this same guy also told me he has a strong campaign and ground game

god republicans are fucking morons
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2012, 11:58:22 PM
In Iowa he did at least, visited every county tons of times, apparently hit every single church in the state. He went all in there like Huckabee did four years ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 03, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
The Greenwald bump not carrying Dr. Paul, it seems.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:03:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2012, 11:47:10 PM
cheebs where are youuuuu. It's time for predictions for Iowa's results tomorrow

Phoenix Dark's prediction:
1. Santorum
2. Paul
3. Romney
4. Gingrich
5. Perry

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 03, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
The Greenwald bump not carrying Dr. Paul, it seems.

I guess there's just a lot of people who won't caucus for a lawn gnome, even if they hypothetically saw all the rest of the candidates raping nuns or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 04, 2012, 12:04:43 AM
Newt Gingrich announcing that he is essentially transforming his campaign in to a merciless carpet bombing of Mitt Romneys base is just so much fun.  There will never be a campaign season this entertaining ever. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:05:51 AM
If Romney loses I'll laugh so hard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:08:12 AM
Perry basically said he's shutting things down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:08:12 AM
Perry basically said he's shutting things down.

YESSSSSSSS

Do the right thing, Bachmann.  Santorum can TOTALLY win South Carolina.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:11:13 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=33978817&postcount=3577
:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:12:02 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 04, 2012, 12:09:01 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:08:12 AM
Perry basically said he's shutting things down.

YESSSSSSSS

Do the right thing, Bachmann.  Santorum can TOTALLY win South Carolina.

This.  If it's Obama Santorum, its as big a cake walk as Obama could get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:13:04 AM
holy fucking shit from the ron paul gaf thread:

Quote
Ron Paul understand our economy better than almost any "real" economist.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 04, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on January 04, 2012, 12:04:43 AM
Newt Gingrich announcing that he is essentially transforming his campaign in to a merciless carpet bombing of Mitt Romneys base is just so much fun.  There will never be a campaign season this entertaining ever.

Is there a text quite or transcript? My wife is sleeping
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:17:47 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 04, 2012, 12:14:23 AM
Is there a text quite or transcript? My wife is sleeping
Best I could find in a minute or so:
Quote
We'll have -- one other great debate and that is whether this party wants a Reagan conservative who helped change Washington in the 1980s with Ronald Reagan and helped change Washington in the 1990s as Speaker of the House, or we want a Massachusetts moderate who, in fact, will be pretty good at managing the decay but has given no evidence in his years in Massachusetts of any act to change the culture or change the political structure or change the government.

Let me be clear, because I think it's important given all the things that were done in this state over the last few weeks.  We are not going to go out and run nasty ads.  We're not going to run 30-second gotchas.  But I do reserve the right to tell the truth and if the truth seems negative, that may be more a comment on his record than it is on politics.  So this is going to be a debate that begins tomorrow morning in New Hampshire and and will go on for a few months, and I'm convinced that the Republican party will pick an era of Reagan and somebody with a track record of changing Washington.

McCain to endorse Romney apparently. Big shocker there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:19:42 AM
Santorum quoting CS Lewis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
he must not know that CS Lewis was an open atheist

fucking morons, ugh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 04, 2012, 12:20:34 AM
Haha, damn.

Is this the same guy who accusedpaul Ryan of right wing social engineering three months ago lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 12:20:41 AM
Quote from: Newt Gingrich
We are not going to go out and run nasty ads.  We're not going to run 30-second gotchas.

"We are out of money."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:22:23 AM
Romney back in the lead by 62 votes now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 12:25:01 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
he must not know that CS Lewis was an open atheist

fucking morons, ugh

Yeah, he was. Until Tolkien converted him back to Christianity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 12:25:01 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
he must not know that CS Lewis was an open atheist

fucking morons, ugh

Yeah, he was. Until Tolkien converted him back to Christianity.

huh, I didn't know that.  fuck.

I'm the fucking moron it seems
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
FUUUUUUUUCK NO ROMNEY IS UP BY 41

I don't care if it's by one fucking vote, Santorum HAS to win or else it will be "Romney wins squeaker" and no one will give a shit about Sen. Frothy Ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:30:48 AM
Santorum up five votes omg

EDIT: CNN pulled it back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 12:32:17 AM
Just got home. This thing is still going?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:33:23 AM
Romney and Santorum have been trading 10-100 vote leads for the last hour or so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:33:38 AM
Wow. This is the closest race I've seen.

Fucking Iowa, y u no have more people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 12:36:51 AM
Question: Not knowing how exactly these Republican primaries work, would a hypothetical Santorum win in Iowa actually effect the overall race in any interesting way, or would it just provide some comedy fodder for the cable news networks for a couple of days/weeks?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:38:04 AM
Santorum going hard populist, this is a pretty good off-the-cuff speech. And the exact argument Romney can't make against Obama, but someone like Christie could have. I still think Romney has too much money to lose the nom, but republicans should be paying attention to this, as it's the best way to attack Obama imo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on January 04, 2012, 12:39:20 AM
i can't believe this shit was this close wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 12:39:48 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 12:36:51 AM
Question: Not knowing how exactly these Republican primaries work, would a hypothetical Santorum win in Iowa actually effect the overall race in any interesting way, or would it just provide some comedy fodder for the cable news networks for a couple of days/weeks?
If the Perry/Bachmann voters flock to him as Gingrich keeps falling as the anti-Romney vote then it would.

But the Iowa Caucuses are non-binding:
Quote
None of Iowa's 28 delegates will be bound to any candidate as a result of the Jan. 3 precinct caucuses. As in 2008, the state's delegates will be elected at district caucuses and at the state convention, which is scheduled for later in the year. The January caucuses will elect delegates to the county conventions currently scheduled for March.
It's really a glorified straw poll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 12:41:51 AM
Ah, lame to the max.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:45:56 AM
Watch tea partiers tear down Santorum over a small handful of conservative sins in the coming days, further handing the nomination to Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 12:46:31 AM
GOP primaries vary from state to state on whether they do proportional representation, winner-take-all, or WTA on a precinct level.  I don't think the apportionment rules have had a major effect since 1976 or so, though.

The main purposes of Iowa and New Hampshire is that they winnow the candidates.  For example, now that it's becoming clear to more people that Gingrich and Bachmann aren't serious contenders, a good chunk of their support will drift to Santorum and Romney.  Remember how Giuliani was a nominal front-runner who was dead in the water by Florida?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:46:32 AM
failed presidency Romney?  Sure, Mitt, a ussy Dem Congress and the worst session of Congress ever caused Obama to have a bad first term, I agree
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
Also, can someone please explain to me how isolationist domestic policies and abolishing the Fed = a conservative viewpoint?  Some of my repub friends are fucking stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 01:18:19 AM
One of my friends tried to tell me Paul was THE MOST conservative candidate in the race.  I wanted to "wut" in his face so fucking bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 01:26:22 AM
That's because "conservative" only means "agrees with me" from what I can tell.

Robert Taft. Barry Goldwater. Ronald Reagan. Pat Buchanan. Newt Gingrich. George W. Bush. Rush Limbaugh. Sarah Palin.

It's essentially a pretty meaningless term. The closest you can get to a defining characteristic is anti-abortion and pro-some-point-in-the-past-America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 01:27:50 AM
This same guy also tried to tell me that the tea party is only a fiscally conservative movement.  I linked him to five videos of their DC protests and called it a night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 01:32:56 AM
But Paul IS the most conservative. The roots of American conservatism are in the federalism of Alexander Hamilton and other founders of the country. Paul's views represent that more than any candidate, on just about every issue. Paul always mentions the republican party used to be quite isolationist for instance, and there's quite a gap between the conservatism of say Hamilton or Taft and Nixon or Reagan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 01:34:47 AM
What's with all these folks getting into political debates IRL?  I have some conservative/libertarian friends with whom I deliberately avoid serious and contentious political discussions (steering either towards glib banter or away from the topic at all) because I know I'm not going to change their mind and I value their friendship.

I also have some jackass conservative/libertarian acquaintances/colleagues with whom I avoid serious and contentious political discussions because I don't really wanna be talking to them in the first place.



edit: PD, if you're gonna come back here after posting at GAF, take the troll pants off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 01:36:56 AM
omg ONE VOTE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 01:39:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 01:34:47 AM

edit: PD, if you're gonna come back here after posting at GAF, take the troll pants off.

err what? In reference to Santorum or Paul? I'm confused
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 01:51:19 AM
These are Facebook debates; ie, why I should never engage at anything political online.  I never do this IRL.

I didn't even start this debate: I just commented that "Obama must be lolling that Santorum is winning."

Some conservatives get so butt hurt at anyone having a laugh at the entire situation.

And PD: these guys, even though they're PS majors, have no idea what conservative ideals derived from.  I told them "sure, Paul is conservative in a historical sense, but he's not the ideal conservative in modern rightist thought."

I also said that Paul is not that tea party candidate, but rather splinters youth and smarter tea party votes.  That got me a shitstorm as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 01:54:55 AM
Granted, I've got a couple friends who used to get into arguments with each other all the time over that stuff, but there was a spirit of jovial ball-busting to it.

It can just be really, really hard to talk politics to someone who both cares about it deeply and doesn't share your basic assumptions, especially if you want to maintain a friendly social relationship.  And yeah, the people who do regularly jump into political debates are mostly not fun to be around in general, and tend to start a lot of sentences with "Did you know..." in a really belligerent voice.


PD: That Hamilton stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 02:06:08 AM
Sounds like Mitt Romney won by 14 votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 02:07:18 AM
Quote
Granted, I've got a couple friends who used to get into arguments with each other all the time over that stuff, but there was a spirit of jovial ball-busting to it.

No ball-busting here.  It's all "politics: serious business."  Serves me right trying to argue with southern entitled Vanderbilt students.  One of them was a Congressional intern for a summer so he acts like he knows more than anyone because of this.  It was for one of the worst Republicans in Congress, too.  He's one of those people who can't STAND having an argument unless he has the last word and unless the other party involved just goes "fuck it, I don't care THIS much," then he proceeds to get all smug about "winning."

He's not even really a friend, he's just some guy that I know through better friends.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 02:09:49 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 02:07:18 AM
One of them was a Congressional intern for a summer so he acts like he knows more than anyone because of this.
The worst people. Even the state level interns. Never will discuss anything without bringing it up. "Well, when I was interning for blah blah blah."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 02:23:03 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 01:34:47 AM
What's with all these folks getting into political debates IRL?  I have some conservative/libertarian friends with whom I deliberately avoid serious and contentious political discussions (steering either towards glib banter or away from the topic at all) because I know I'm not going to change their mind and I value their friendship.

I also have some jackass conservative/libertarian acquaintances/colleagues with whom I avoid serious and contentious political discussions because I don't really wanna be talking to them in the first place.



edit: PD, if you're gonna come back here after posting at GAF, take the troll pants off.

Conservatism does not have its roots in federalism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 02:38:31 AM
This is far from my wheelhouse, but Hamilton was generally on the side of increased federal power over those of the states, tariffs, subsidies certain industries, an expansive interpretation of the welfare clause, direct taxes, and the creation of a national bank, no?  Seems weird calling Ron Paul the undisputed heir to that particular philosophy.  Figured you weren't serious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 02:39:51 AM
It's official- I got more people to write in my name for Atlanta city council in 2004 than Buddy Roemer will get votes in the 2012 Iowa caucuses.  FEELS GOOD MAN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 02:43:28 AM
hahah

Romney wins with 8 votes.  Pathetic for him considering the money he spent.  Santorum is the real winner tonight, and with others dropping out (Perry and Bachmann soon), Santorum is a real challenger.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 02:44:13 AM
I thought federalism (at least, the Hamiltonian kind) meant supporting having a stronger central government, but I've been seeing a lot of conservative politicians throwing the 'federalist' term around (in a positive way), so either they don't know what it is, or I don't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 02:44:58 AM
Romney won Iowa. lol

Pretty weak win and no one will be talking about the fact that he won, but still...it's time for tea party types to realize the more they dick around with a circular firing squad, the easier Romney gets the nom
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 02:50:32 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 02:43:28 AM
Romney wins with 8 votes.  Pathetic for him considering the money he spent.
Didn't spend anywhere near as much as Perry.
Quote from: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 02:44:13 AM
I thought federalism (at least, the Hamiltonian kind) meant supporting having a stronger central government, but I've been seeing a lot of conservative politicians throwing the 'federalist' term around (in a positive way), so either they don't know what it is, or I don't.
It's "both" technically.

Federalism was originally those who wanted to unify into the United States. And that morphed formally into the Hamiltonian central government concept. "Federalism" is from the late 70s Republican circles and basically is renamed "states rights." I'd have to look but I think it's termed "Dual Federalism" in poli sci works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 02:59:34 AM
Santorum spent a small fraction compared to Romney though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 03:06:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ipw8B.jpg)

Quote from: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 02:50:32 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 02:43:28 AM
Romney wins with 8 votes.  Pathetic for him considering the money he spent.
Didn't spend anywhere near as much as Perry.
Quote from: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 02:44:13 AM
I thought federalism (at least, the Hamiltonian kind) meant supporting having a stronger central government, but I've been seeing a lot of conservative politicians throwing the 'federalist' term around (in a positive way), so either they don't know what it is, or I don't.
It's "both" technically.

Federalism was originally those who wanted to unify into the United States. And that morphed formally into the Hamiltonian central government concept. "Federalism" is from the late 70s Republican circles and basically is renamed "states rights." I'd have to look but I think it's termed "Dual Federalism" in poli sci works.

Ah, okay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 04, 2012, 03:35:17 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 12:20:16 AM
he must not know that CS Lewis was an open atheist

fucking morons, ugh

And the author of "Mere Christianity", The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the Screwtape letters, etc... is...........who, exactly?

There is no greater fail, BN, than calling CS Lewis an "open atheist".  ffs, he is one of the cornerstones of modern Christian apologetics.......worse than evangelicals claiming that Einstein was a devout Christian....   ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 03:51:58 AM
I learned I was wrong, no need to make fun of me more than I already did earlier  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 04, 2012, 04:01:44 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 04, 2012, 03:51:58 AM
I learned I was wrong, no need to make fun of me more than I already did earlier  :(

Ya, but the previous page just didn't establish how mind-numbingly ignorant your statement was, so I felt it required some more emphasis.   I shall let it go, now.

(but seriously, dude, that's like claiming Pascal, Newton, or Aquinas was "openly atheist")
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 04:10:07 AM
I didn't know!  I remember watching a Tolkien documentary that talked about how much of an atheist he was and they never explored it beyond that!  I'm sorry  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 04:20:19 AM
While he may have won with 8 votes, Romney actually got 6 fewer than he did in 2008.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 04:21:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Po3VG.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2012, 07:39:21 AM
lol brandnew

this is like when wrath on twitter thought scorsese was jewish
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 04, 2012, 07:41:45 AM
I poked my head in the GAF Ron Paul thread to see the bitter tears of Paul putting everything into Iowa and coming up in third place but they all seem convinced he is in it to win it and came out of Iowa with  momemntum and is going to be the nominee.  :lol

lol C.S. Lewis being atheist? I have no idea how one can be confused about that. That doc on the LOTR DVDs talked about how Tolkien converted him and C.S. Lewis becoming super christian basically within a minute of talking about how he was a atheist. Not to mention I can't see anyone thinking an atheist would write the Narnia books. They are basically a young reader verision of the Bible with talking animals.


Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 04, 2012, 07:39:21 AM
lol brandnew

this is like when wrath on twitter thought scorsese was jewish
hahaha that is amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 04, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
disappointing that Romney took it.  All well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 10:41:07 AM
Bachmann out?
Quote
Michele Bachmann has canceled plans to campaign in South Carolina on Wednesday, according to the Associated Press, and she plans to hold a news conference in Iowa at 11 a.m. EST.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 04, 2012, 10:41:33 AM
holy fuck reading the GAF Ron Paul thread is fucking irritating.  Especially when you're banned.

Angry Fork is an annoying fucking douchebag.  If I read "Ron Paul is the nuclear option" one more time I'm going to e-fuck him into oblivion.  And that annoying fucking avatar.  Argh!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 04, 2012, 11:18:34 AM
I want Perry and Bachman out so their base can FROTH UP some Santorum power
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 11:24:57 AM
Bachmann is out:
Quote
Michele Bachmann will end her presidential campaign Wednesday morning at an event in West Des Moines, Iowa, the Associated Press reported.
That might make Perry stay in for South Carolina. Apparently he already bought a bunch of ads to run there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2012, 11:25:02 AM
Momentorum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:46:25 PM
Lewis was an atheist before he became a Christian so bn is half right!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 04, 2012, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 04, 2012, 12:41:55 PM
Are these early caucuses generally so divided? I mean no candidate got more than 25%, you have three over 20.. Seems pretty damn undecided  as of yet, no? It will be interesting to see with some candidates dropping out! I honestly can't say I want any of them or Barack to win in November though.

No, this is a historical abberation - Romney "won" with the smallest percentage of the vote ever.

Also, THANK YOU BASED GOP: http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/newt-gingrich-romney-gop-destroyer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 04, 2012, 10:41:33 AM
holy fuck reading the GAF Ron Paul thread is fucking irritating.  Especially when you're banned.

Angry Fork is an annoying fucking douchebag.  If I read "Ron Paul is the nuclear option" one more time I'm going to e-fuck him into oblivion.  And that annoying fucking avatar.  Argh!

In a month or two when he hasn't equaled his high water mark in Iowa anywhere else and slinks home to Texas to make a principled stand and refuse Medicare and Medicaid patients at his practice, just THINK of all the confusion amongst the true believers!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 12:46:25 PM
Lewis was an atheist before he became a Christian so bn is half right!

Lewis being an atheist isn't the story, though, his later conversion is, since that influenced pretty much all of his writings and the latter half of his life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
They've already established that he's only being held back by Rupert Murdoch and the military-industrial complex.  When your hopes are smashed, it is not time for self-examination, it is time for dolchstoßlegende!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 02:16:30 PM
Obama growing balls? Color me surprised and happy

Quote
The White House confirmed Wednesday morning that President Obama will announce a recess appointment for Richard Cordray to run the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau at a speech in Ohio later today. Cordray was a well-liked Ohio Attorney General until last year, after he was toppled by the GOP midterm wave in 2010.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/why-obama-could-recess-appoint-top-consumer-watchdog-anyhow.php?ref=fpblg

Republicans have been keeping congress in session even during recess appointments with pro forma sessions where a congressman hits a gavel then leaves town. Good to see the WH finally came to the conclusion that this gimmick in no way prevents a president from utilizing his constitutional given power to recess appoint people.

(to be fair, democrats pulled the same shit against Bush)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
I could be mistaken and can't be assed to look it up while playing Batman, but is Cordray the guy nobody in Congress wanted to approve including Democrats because they wanted a figurehead who did basically nothing or is he the next choice and got opposed just because? Might be thinking of something else though...

That said, that whole CFPB thing is an epic clusterfuck of an agency. It's like a more dysfunctional DHS, but for the entire financial system. I have no idea how it could possibly ever work, and I mean "work" in the loosest terms. Like FCC style "work" would be a godsend for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 04, 2012, 02:57:48 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 03:03:45 PM
:bow Nostraphoenix :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 03:04:36 PM
Let's be fair, guys.  He got the all important spots 4 and 5 right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
Things always don't go your way but you just have to keep working hard and getting better, and all I'm thinking about is NH right now

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 04, 2012, 03:14:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
Things always don't go your way but you just have to keep working hard and getting better, and all I'm thinking about is NH right now
That one is easy though.

1. Romney
2. Nobody cares.


I doubt anyone will get within 10% of him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 03:17:02 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 02:23:20 PM
I have no idea how it could possibly ever work, and I mean "work" in the loosest terms. Like FCC style "work" would be a godsend for it.

That's cause you're big into public choice theory, the evo-psych of political science.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 04, 2012, 03:23:23 PM
lol WA gov introducing legislation for legalization of gay marriage- religious folks freakin out online. Gonna rule when it PASSES and theyre all butthurt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2012, 03:50:25 PM
(http://reason.com/assets/mc/psuderman/2012_01/santorum-punch.png)
Quote from: Mandark on January 04, 2012, 03:17:02 PM
That's cause you're big into public choice theory, the evo-psych of political science.
Probably, but it's more likely my never-ending heavy cynicism* than any actual formal model. It's an agency set inside an "independent" agency with a big stake funded entirely from that and not appropriations with one person basically with all power who can also be overridden by a council of all the agencies that gave up power to the CFPB. I really can't understand any circumstances in which it could "work" and how it could even come to do so. But that is probably just me.

Still looks like a financial DHS. (And what isn't an evo-psych of poli sci...)

*Thank you Joe D for really feeding it since Flip left.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2012, 04:28:59 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on January 04, 2012, 03:23:23 PM
lol WA gov introducing legislation for legalization of gay marriage- religious folks freakin out online. Gonna rule when it PASSES and theyre all butthurt.

I really hope it passes. I can't belive it's not legal in Washington AND Oregon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2012, 05:00:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on January 04, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
Things always don't go your way but you just have to keep working hard and getting better
Please add this to the news feed

But it's just a wordier version of "please understand".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 04, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 04, 2012, 10:41:33 AM
holy fuck reading the GAF Ron Paul thread is fucking irritating.  Especially when you're banned.

Angry Fork is an annoying fucking douchebag.  If I read "Ron Paul is the nuclear option" one more time I'm going to e-fuck him into oblivion.  And that annoying fucking avatar.  Argh!

He might be my least favorite political poster in all of gaf's history, bar Gaborn.  He's fucking awful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 04, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
Agreed.  Gaborn might be stubborn and stupid, but this guy is absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged.  "If Ron Paul is terrible at least everything will be different!"  Yeah!  Let's destroy what's left of the system and we'll magically start over new and better!  Because that's how geopolitics and economics works (in a Sim City or Civilization game).  Fucking dipshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 04, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 03, 2012, 11:44:54 PM
9 VOTES SEPARATING THEM!!!

Who was our Iowa resident that was gonna caucus?  TEXP right?  I wonder if he caucused for Santorum.

That I did.  I was disappointed to see Romney win.  I think Romney won because Republicans are warming to the reality that only Romney (well, also Huntsman but good luck with that) will put up a halfway decent fight against Obama.  Then again I could be wrong but this is the first proof that people are ditching the "anyone but Romney" angle.

Also lol at Perry's result.  He really hit the airwaves hard and turned out not to amount to shit when it came down to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
The exit polls show Romney was soundless rejected by voters who described themselves as Evangelical and conservative. And he barely got more votes than in 2008 lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 07:45:30 PM
Top 20 David Brooks False Equivalencies of 2011  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-bines/david-brooks-satire_b_1176603.html)

Thought some of y'all might enjoy that. Particularly fond of #12, maself.

edit: #1 and #2 are fantastic as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 04, 2012, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
The exit polls show Romney was soundless rejected by voters who described themselves as Evangelical and conservative. And he barely got more votes than in 2008 lol

Well, Romney won when everyone expected him to be 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on January 04, 2012, 07:48:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
The exit polls show Romney was soundless rejected by voters who described themselves as Evangelical and conservative. And he barely got more votes than in 2008 lol

Well, Romney won when everyone expected him to be 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.

He didn't even capture 1/4 of the vote though...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2012, 10:37:46 PM
I'm not sure coming out ahead by 8 votes constitutes "winning" especially when you spend millions on ads only to virtually tie with a guy who spent less than half a mill on ads
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2012, 10:48:27 PM
Meanwhile, my crazy Ron Paul supporter friend (who is a confused anarchist lead singer in a punk band that has convinced himself that RON PAUL is some sort of wonder ointment for what ails America and is obviously wrong about everything) is convinced that since Paul doubled his support from '08 in Iowa this means BIG THINGS AHEAD and is trying to convince all of his friends to vote for Paul in the NC primary, which is... in early May.

Do I

A) tell him Paul won't be in the race by then

B) make the obvious joke that at this rate Paul will win the 2016 Iowa caucus?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71096_Page2.html

Sounds like a train wreck. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 05, 2012, 12:25:20 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 12:27:03 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 04, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71096_Page2.html

Sounds like a train wreck. :rofl

Quote
If the audience is puzzled by this — crispy good? Is this KFC? — they must have been downright baffled when a Romney staffer takes the stage and says, “White balance. Get your white balance.”

What is this, the white Wire?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2012, 01:03:11 AM
White balance is a photography term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Pringo on January 05, 2012, 03:30:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlTswkKNAQA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 05, 2012, 06:02:52 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 04, 2012, 10:48:27 PM
Meanwhile, my crazy Ron Paul supporter friend (who is a confused anarchist lead singer in a punk band that has convinced himself that RON PAUL is some sort of wonder ointment for what ails America and is obviously wrong about everything) is convinced that since Paul doubled his support from '08 in Iowa this means BIG THINGS AHEAD and is trying to convince all of his friends to vote for Paul in the NC primary, which is... in early May.

Do I

A) tell him Paul won't be in the race by then

B) make the obvious joke that at this rate Paul will win the 2016 Iowa caucus?

what band?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 05, 2012, 07:13:12 AM
I don't even know, some punk band in the Asheville area.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 05, 2012, 10:55:34 AM
Quote from: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/04/397520/new-hampshire-gop-bill-mandates-that-laws-find-their-origin-in-1215-english-magna-carta/
New Hampshire GOP Bill Mandates That New Laws Find Their Origin In 1215 English Magna Carta
By Marie Diamond on Jan 4, 2012 at 3:10 pm

New Hampshire Republicans are taking textual originalism to a whole new level: three lawmakers have proposed a bill that requires that all legislation find its origin not in the U.S. constitution, but an English document crafted in 1215.

When the legislature reconvenes this month, Republicans want their colleagues to justify many new bills with a direct quote from the 800-year-old Magna Carta:

House Bill 1580 is the product of such a brainstorming session this summer between three freshman House Republicans: Bob Kingsbury of Laconia, Tim Twombly of Nashua and Lucien Vita of Middleton. The eyebrow-raiser, set to be introduced when the Legislature reconvenes next month, requires legislation to find its origin in an English document crafted in 1215.

“All members of the general court proposing bills and resolutions addressing individual rights or liberties shall include a direct quote from the Magna Carta which sets forth the article from which the individual right or liberty is derived,” is the bill’s one sentence.

The Magna Carta, while famed as the first major declaration of rights under English monarchy, is a bit outdated in its actual prose.

The Magna Carta is indisputably an important historical document, with ideas about liberty that inspired America’s founders. But as the Concord Monitor points out, the substance of the document is fixated on the tedium of feudal times, and has little if any relevance to modern American life.

New Hampshire lawmakers might have trouble applying passages like, “We shall straightway return the son of Llewelin and all the Welsh hostages,” or, “If anyone who has borrowed a sum of money from Jews dies before the debt has been repaid, his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as he remains under age.”

One of the bill’s sponsors admitted that he wasn’t terribly familiar with the actual text, and mainly saw the measure as an homage. New Hampshire Democratic Party spokesman Ray Buckley said he was “mostly speechless” when he heard about the bill. “I appreciate all the hard work the Republican legislators are putting into the effort to make them look like extremists,” he said. “Saves us the trouble.”
Conservatives have long prided themselves on being constitutional “purists” who want to strip government down to the basic form they say was laid out in the country’s founding document. But requiring textual justification from another country’s founding document, which has no legal history or authority in the U.S., is a curious extension of that principle.

As the country’s focus shifts from the Iowa caucus to the more influential New Hampshire primary, it’s worth noting that the state’s Republicans apparently trying to repeal not just the 20th century “welfare state,” or even the 20th century, but the modern era entirely.

:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 05, 2012, 11:08:11 AM
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“I appreciate all the hard work the Republican legislators are putting into the effort to make them look like extremists,” he said. “Saves us the trouble.”

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 05, 2012, 11:13:32 AM
wat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2012, 12:50:41 PM
All new laws are required to include horse nipples.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
Jobless claims (http://"http://bloomberg.econoday.com/byshoweventfull.asp?fid=450885&cust=bloomberg-us&year=2012&lid=0#top")

Jobless claims trended steadily and significantly lower throughout December with initial claims down 15,000 in the December 31 week to 372,000 (prior week revised 6,000 higher to 387,000). The four-week average shows improvement for the fifth week in a row, down 3,250 to a recovery best of 373,250 which is more than 20,000 lower from month-end November.

Continuing claims have also been coming down, falling 22,000 in data for the December 24 week to 3.595 million. This is also a recovery best as is the four-week average of 3.602 million which is down nearly 70,000 from month-end November. The unemployment rate for insured workers, down one tenth, is back down to a recovery best of 2.8 percent.

ADP Employment Report (http://"http://bloomberg.econoday.com/byshoweventfull.asp?fid=451287&cust=bloomberg-us&year=2012&lid=0#top")

ADP is calling for a surge in private payroll growth, to 325,000 for December to double expectations for 160,000 and vs a revised 204,000 in November.



Good news, and I can't wait for republicans to blame the rise in UE (8.6 to 8.7) on Obama while also claiming he doesn't "understand how the economy works" lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FoneBone on January 05, 2012, 03:32:40 PM
“I will go to the NAACP convention, and explain to the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps,” said Gingrich. (http://"http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3608?ref=fpb")
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2012, 03:40:23 PM
Well, it's not like black people were gonna vote for him anyway, might as well go after the "quit giving our money to them lazy negros" vote instead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 04:32:57 PM
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CHART: Romney Plan Raises Taxes On Lower-Middle Class, Cuts Taxes On Wealthy

Above that level, Romney’s plan cuts taxes at greater rates for wealthier people. The average millionaire would thus pay $145,568 less in taxes in 2015 than they do today. Taken altogether, that makes the plan a budget buster, meaning greater deficits or deep cuts to federal programs.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/chart-romney-plan-raise-taxes-on-lower-middle-class-cuts-taxes-on-wealthy.php?ref=fpa

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 05, 2012, 04:35:50 PM
And is anyone REALLY surprised this? Anyone?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 04:44:23 PM
I shouldn't be surprised but it's still such a tone deaf, oblivious plan - and you'd think it would receive quite a bit of attention once he becomes the nominee. Perhaps Romney is betting on voters tuning out Obama completely, which obviously could happen if things get worse/stagnant. But jeez...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 05, 2012, 06:14:55 PM
But he's also giving a massive capital gains tax cut to people making $50k a year!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 09:08:20 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3655
:drudge

Looks like Nostradarkmas was right after all :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 05, 2012, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 09:08:20 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3655
:drudge

Looks like Nostradarkmas was right after all :bow

Are the delegates awarded proportional, or winner-takes-all?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2012, 09:22:12 PM
proportional, and it looks like Santorum and Romney will get the same amount regardless of who won
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on January 05, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
This news excites me.  Good work T EXP!  Looks like your time was not spent in vain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2012, 12:07:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 06, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
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@ppppolls
PublicPolicyPolling
Mitt up about 10 pts the first night of our South Carolina poll...Gingrich and Santorum close for 2nd.

Looks like it's all over. :/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
no way Romney wins SC, I'm calling it right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 06, 2012, 01:22:13 AM
I find it hard to believe Mitt Romney will win in South Carolina either but we'll see I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 06, 2012, 01:24:22 AM
you know its an election year when there's a new daily ron paul thread at gaf.  it's just gross.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2012, 03:12:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r8z0uag5mI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 06, 2012, 08:30:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2012, 12:18:19 AM
no way Romney wins SC, I'm calling it right now
If 1 vote can count for 20 votes when needed, it's possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2012, 05:35:44 PM
212k jobs in December, UE falls from 8.6 to 8.5. Interestingly the WH's economic team had expected UE to remain in the 9s throughout much of 2012. I wonder if they under-calculated the number of people who have left the work search, which is a big reason why the number is falling.

It's going to tick up as more people get excited about the jobs numbers and start looking for work again, then we'll get more "LOLBAMA" responses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2012, 12:42:07 AM
If Mitt wins SC convincingly somehow, this thing is fucking over.  Newt and RON PAUL can run around nipping at his heels for months all they like, it won't matter.  Then we can settle down to Mittens vs. Barry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
A bunch of religious right folks are planning on coalescing behind one candidate in order to stop Romney in SC and beyond. Probably Santorum I guess. But the longer Gingrich stays in the race, the harder it'll be for him to separate from the pack

Huckabee would have had the nom wrapped up if he had run lol, this is hilarious. I can't wait to see Romney speaking in front of half full rooms come the summer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2012, 06:14:25 PM
There's a debate tonight, and tomorrow night....both during the start of the playoffs? Jeez, whoever schedules these things sucks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2012, 06:24:27 PM
Thank god, I was going through debate withdrawal.

If I remember and are around I'll probably watch to see if Newt does go crazy against Romney, and Paul goes after Santorum*, and Perry being a lovable oaf.

EDIT: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign-20120107,0,4461003.story
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Reporting from Manchester, N.H.— For the second time in as many days, Rick Santorum waded into the issue of gay marriage, suggesting it was so important for children to have both a father and mother that an imprisoned father was preferable to a same-sex parent.

Citing the work of one anti-poverty expert, Santorum said, "He found that even fathers in jail who had abandoned their kids were still better than no father at all to have in their children's lives."

Allowing gays to marry and raise children, Santorum said, amounts to "robbing children of something they need, they deserve, they have a right to. You may rationalize that that isn't true, but in your own life and in your own heart, you know it's true."

At a private boarding school Friday, the Republican presidential candidate's voice grew emotional as he argued that only a man and woman should be able to marry. "Marriage is not a right," Santorum said. "It's a privilege that is given to society by society for a reason.... We want to encourage what is the best for children."

The audience, half students and half local residents, reacted with snorts and applause. The students at Dublin School, which runs from ninth through 12th grade, were primed for Santorum's visit, said headmaster Brad Bates. He said three students in the audience had gay parents, though they were not among those who asked about the topic.

Santorum's comments once again drew attention away from his efforts to craft a blue-collar economic message. On Thursday he tangled with college students over same-sex marriage. In that encounter, a woman in the audience asked whether the right to happiness was grounds for gay people to marry, and Santorum responded by asking whether she believed more than two people could have that right. "If you're not happy unless you're married to five other people, is that OK?" he asked, prompting boos from the audience.
I thought he was just going to focus on the economy to win over those "socially libertarian" NH voters? I can't believe every political analyst lied to me.

*
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Aohgrn1peA
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 07, 2012, 07:25:38 PM
Bachmann won't be there. :(
Title: "You might act offended, but I bet you say racist stuff too"
Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 07, 2012, 06:24:27 PM
EDIT: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign-20120107,0,4461003.story
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You may rationalize that that isn't true, but in your own life and in your own heart, you know it's true."
That is just the favorite rhetorical gambit of shitty people and bigots, isn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2012, 08:48:40 PM
You know you're wrong when you star quoting the Sith
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on January 07, 2012, 10:00:44 PM
Gingrich is too depressed to effectively lay in to Romney  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 07, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
Ron Paul absolutely eviscerated Newt tonight. That last bit at the end talking about how he joined the army even when he was married and had two kids was magnifique!


Oh, and I'll give George Stephonopolous 'some' credit for being not as useless a moderator as Diane Sawyer was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2012, 11:50:24 PM
From the reactions I've seen it sounds like the field has pretty much given up and recognizes Romney is the nominee. They don't want to get on his bad side, except for Gingrich and of course Paul who doesn't give a shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2012, 02:45:58 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/287483/do-we-have-ticket-here-kathryn-jean-lopez
 :lol

Quote
may I express my gratitude for the liberal media anyway? You can’t help but think there were some gotcha questions there. And the field made America proud. Rick Santorum is not the caricature of him that the media insists he is. Mitt Romney has led on some of these so-called social issues and got to talk about just that. Newt Gingrich was articulate on the scandal of tolerance these days — as those who want to redefine marriage will not be satisfied until we all are forced to approve. Rick Perry expanded the religious-liberty discussion to discuss how this administration is penalizing human-trafficking victims because of its radical ideology. And the candidates made clear that their interest in these issues stemmed from a concern with freedom and who we are as a country — rather than anyone’s bedroom.
:-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5qZ9GrBf4w
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on January 08, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
LITERALLY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 08, 2012, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 08, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
:bow

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2012, 08:48:40 PM
You know you're wrong when you star quoting the Sith

:bow2

Didn't realize Santorum was such a piece of shit too. What a crap election this is gonna be.

 :santocry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 09, 2012, 02:06:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5qZ9GrBf4w

He is correct, light moves at a different speed in the middle east than the rest of the world - if you and Obama understood the region you would know this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 09, 2012, 02:12:16 AM
Quote
We're worried about Iran getting a bomb when they already have the warp drive?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 09, 2012, 03:43:11 PM
Even when trying to explain away his firing/pink slip comment he somehow makes himself even more disconnected from the middle class/blue collar worker:
Quote

"I started at the bottom like other freshly minted MBA's...you wonder if you're gonna hang on to your job."

This of course helps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBOqLxzGTx8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 03:46:56 PM
I get the context he made the comment in, but there are so many better ways to say that. It kind of speaks to the person he is, and his background.

Just stupid. I guess his folks will respond by replaying Obama's "lazy Americans" comment smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2012, 04:16:41 PM
Too bad we can't fire these candidates and get some other ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 04:28:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK2vVeLW8sg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2012, 04:42:29 PM
Wait...WHO, exactly, is blinded by Barack Obama-induced anger?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 09, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
Quote from: Cheebo on January 09, 2012, 03:43:11 PM
Quote
"I started at the bottom like other freshly minted MBA's...you wonder if you're gonna hang on to your job."

hahahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 05:51:13 PM
Perhaps the funniest thing about this goes back to the Romney camp's distortion of Obama's words in ads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjco41RIthw

which they defended by claiming all ads are "propaganda" anyway and if Obama said it, it must be accurate. Now the argument is that Romney was quoted out of context here - which is true BUT even watching the full video will give you the perception of a guy who is far out of touch with the average person.

I don't know anyone who frames service choices in terms of liking being able to fire people. Yes, people like options, people like being able to switch to better services if they are available...but when you change plumbers or caterers for instance, do you enjoy firing that person or business? jeez

(also if Romney likes having choices, why is he against Obamacare again..?)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2012, 05:56:04 PM
I actually read some of No Apologies, and Romney's very big on creative destruction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 07:44:12 PM
Chris Matthews omg :rofl
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/chris-matthews-romney-dog-mom-jeans_n_1193959.html?ref=media
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 09, 2012, 09:19:04 PM
If you ever wanted to see a picture of Tim Burton and Obama your wish has been granted.
(http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Johnny-Depp-Michelle-Obama-Preseident-Obama-Tim-Burton-and-the-kids-White-House-Alice-in-Wonderland-White-House.jpg)

Some new book coming out reveals Tim Burton & Johnny Depp put on a Alice in Wonderland themed Halloween party for Obamas daughters  and Tim Burton personally redesigned the White House ballroom for them but the White House didn't let the press know or let any pictures get released to the public because they worried it'd look too extravegent during the bad economy.

lol wtf?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 09:26:26 PM
I saw that on Drudge lol. The bigger question here: why does Obama always dress exactly the same every Halloween? Dress shirt and sweater smh. If he wins maybe he'll get bolder and dress as Lando or something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
If I were Obama I would dress as Lando everyday, and I'd also make sure to get photographed with a Colt 45 as often as possible to troll the racists.  I'M RICH BITCH!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2012, 09:53:06 PM
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extravagant

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2012, 09:58:10 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2012, 09:53:06 PM
Quote
extravagant

:rofl

They're dressed like European royalty!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 10, 2012, 01:44:07 AM
Sen. Rand Paul: Civil Rights Act Was Overreach Because "I Can't Have A Cigar Bar Anymore" (http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201201090003)

These people man, these people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 01:47:35 AM
But the Pauls support drug law reform, which is the true litmus test of racial sensitivity in the 21st century
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2012, 01:52:57 AM
There was a great post on digby's blog about a week ago about why anyone who is a democrat or liberal and supports Paul is basically a fucktard. 

Found it:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/no-stoller-and-sullivan-there-is-no.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2012, 04:13:52 AM
Dixville Notch results:
Jon Huntsman - 2
Mitt Romney - 2
Ron Paul - 1
Newt Gingrich - 1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 04:19:36 AM
That link is wrong all over the place.  It makes many wrong assumptions.

Quote
Ron Paul is against the drug war, yes, but for the same reasons he is against preventing factories from dumping mercury in our rivers: he opposes any sort of intervention at all by the government to assist those in need, or to stop those who would do harm to others, except in the most simplistic cases of the use of force.

Not true.  While it isnt really related to this particualr issue, Ron Paul would allow gay marriage because it doesnt harm other people.  So inline with that he woudlnt allow companies ot harm other people.


...  I just read further.  The amount of bile in that link and no real substance makes it not worthy of any real response.






Quote
Ron Paul: Secret Homophobe or Misunderstood Ally?

Posted: 12/28/11 02:43 PM ET

 


In the interest of full disclosure, I avow that I have not directly contributed funds to any candidates or political parties during this election cycle. All my prior campaign contributions should be available online.

With the Iowa caucuses less than a week away, with many legal issues affecting the queer community subject to debate and potential power shifts next year, and with nearly one third of self-identified lesbigay voters recently having voted Republican, a current Republican frontrunner, Rep. Ron Paul, recently has been under fire for vile things -- not so recently -- written under his name, regarding racial minorities, religious minorities, and queer people.

Imagine a candidate who, more than 15 years ago, fundraised and attempted to garner financial and political support from a group of people based on a letter taking a political position offensive to many U.S. voters. That letter was sent from "Friends of" the candidate, contained the candidate's name and signature, and misstated a position that offends many U.S. voters today, 15 years later.

Over a decade later, that formerly obscure candidate starts to matter in politics. And in an attempt to deflect attention from that letter, the candidate's communications director suggests that the document from the 1990s was a fake, "filled out by someone else," not the candidate.

Ron Paul?

Hardly.

The candidate from 15 years ago is now President Barack Obama.

Specifically, the letter, dated Feb. 15, 1996, addressed by "Friends of Barack Obama," signed by "Barack Obama, Candidate for State Senate, 13th District," supported equal marriage rights for lesbian and gay couples.

But as recently as June 17, 2011, President Obama's communications director, Dan Pfeiffer, stated, "If you actually go back and look, that questionnaire was actually filled out by someone else, not the president."

Regarding Rep. Paul, a number of people are implying that Ron Paul may be racist for what was written years ago under Paul's name.

Yet history shows that in 1979, Rep. Paul was the only Texas House Republican to vote in favor of making Rev. Martin Luther King Day a national holiday -- hardly a racist use of political power.

Compared Rep. Paul's vote with that of the most recent GOP presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain. Despite no racist newsletters appearing under his name, John McCain voted against recognizing a national holiday for Rev. King.

Which matters more: newsletters or votes that carry the force of law for millions of people?

And what's written under Ron Paul's name relative to queer people should disgust any reasonable person. But as President Obama demonstrated, what's written under a candidate's name simply doesn't equate to that candidate's ultimate use of power: how the candidate votes.

Examining Votes Ron Paul Has Cast on Political Issues Important to Many Queer Advocates

Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA)

Ron Paul voted against the George-W.-Bush-pushed FMA in both 2004 and 2006. If unfamiliar, think of the FMA as a nationwide Prop 8, nullifying all marriages between persons of the same sex in the U.S, regardless of where a couple lived or married.

Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)

While Ron Paul stated that he supports DOMA, DOMA is a complex law. Evidencing DOMA's complexity is the pro-queer legal community's general strategy of attacking DOMA Section 3, not DOMA's entirety.

Because I could find nothing in which Paul specifically addressed DOMA Section 3 rather than DOMA in its entirety (including legislative history, as Paul wasn't a member of Congress during the DOMA vote), I requested comment from the Paul campaign on short notice. I did not receive a response prior to submitting this piece. (I'll include an update should I receive a response.)

My guess is that if specifically asked regarding support for DOMA Section 3, Paul would answer no. My further suspicion is that since he supports most of DOMA, Paul can justify saying that he supports DOMA, enabling him to pander to the party primary base.

Even if Paul supports DOMA entirely, President Clinton signed all of DOMA into law, despite being hailed as possibly having "courted the gay vote" more than any other prior candidate. President Clinton's campaign messages didn't equate with his "voting" as president.

Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT)

Of 167 Republican House members voting on the repeal DADT in May 2010, Ron Paul was one of only five GOP members to break with his party and vote for DADT's repeal. Thus, independent of 97 percent of his party's House delegation, Ron Paul supported DADT's repeal, even before the Pentagon survey that many GOP members demanded prior to permitting a vote on DADT. Following release of the report, which allowed DADT to receive a vote in the full Congress, of 179 Republican House members at that time, Ron Paul was one of only 15 who voted to repeal DADT last December.

Unlike 91 percent of his party's House delegation, unlike Sen. John McCain, the GOP's "moderate" presidential candidate in 2008 (and unlike President Clinton, who signed DADT into law), Ron Paul's vote helped queer advocates achieve a landmark victory for many (albeit not enough) people wishing to serve this country openly and honestly.

Conclusion

What gets written under a candidate's name or signature doesn't necessarily reflect that candidate's views or how that candidate will govern.

Comparing President Obama's old letters with his governance regarding equal civil marriage rights for same-sex couples demonstrates a disturbing cognitive dissonance.

President Clinton's pro-queer speeches compared with his use of power in office by signing DADT and DOMA into law demonstrated his beliefs about how queer people should be treated under the law, regardless of his folksy demeanor in courting our vote and funding.

No newsletters may exist evidencing an anti-queer bias from moderate Republican John McCain, but McCain's votes on a recognizing national holiday for Rev. King or repealing DADT may argue otherwise.

As a result, a meaningful disconnect exists between political candidates' disavowed solicitations and those candidates' demonstrated use of power once elected.

I will not be voting Republican in my state's upcoming primary, which means I will not be voting for Ron Paul. But if you plan to vote Republican in your state's primary or caucus, and if queer rights are important factors in determining which GOP candidate earns your approval, then how Ron Paul has wielded the power that his constituents gave him (i.e., his voting record, and not the noise about outdated newsletters and campaign solicitations) deserves your scrutiny, consideration, and perhaps your support.

Because your decisions today become our likely collective choices in November, please be thoughtful in using your vote to help decide which candidates stay and which ones sashay away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI2IqfxT9XU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 04:19:36 AM
That link is wrong all over the place.  It makes many wrong assumptions.

Quote
Ron Paul is against the drug war, yes, but for the same reasons he is against preventing factories from dumping mercury in our rivers: he opposes any sort of intervention at all by the government to assist those in need, or to stop those who would do harm to others, except in the most simplistic cases of the use of force.

Not true.

Not only is it true, but it's the whole point of his campaign.

If you think Ron Paul is interested in "intervention by the government to assist those in need" then I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2012, 08:42:27 AM
Damian79 is one of those libertopians who like to pop up like so many groundhogs, see an imaginary shadow and vanish again for months on end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2012, 10:46:09 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 04:19:36 AM
Not true.  While it isnt really related to this particualr issue, Ron Paul would allow gay marriage because it doesnt harm other people.  So inline with that he woudlnt allow companies ot harm other people.

Ron Paul thinks gay marriage should be a states issue, which is virtually the same thing as being for a ban.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
Ugh good lord, this was posted in my facebook feed:

http://www.mrconservative.com/2012/01/letters-from-21-female/ (http://www.mrconservative.com/2012/01/letters-from-21-female/)

the girl who posted it is 20 years old and her parents pay for EVERYTHING -- school, car payments, CC debt, groceries.  she has no income whatsoever.

fuck young republicans; so rare and yet so humiliating
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 10, 2012, 12:37:01 PM
or Texas
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2012, 12:40:28 PM
I don't pay attention to the bible belt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 10, 2012, 12:54:30 PM
I pay for my car payments, textbooks, and take out loans for school.  I'm trying to ween myself off!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 10, 2012, 12:57:15 PM
I just hate young republicans, buncha fuckin asssholessssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 10, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: The Business on January 10, 2012, 12:42:49 PM
Your parents pay for all your shit too, loser.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 10, 2012, 07:16:42 PM
Huh, so the primary's over already? Thought it wouldn't be til much later like the Iowa stuff.

(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/151025/Screen_Shot_2012-01-10_at_3.41.25_PM.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
man, that's one thinly veiled POOR (BLACK) PEOPLE ON WELFARE SHOULD LOOK AND ACT MORE LIKE GRATEFUL POOR (BLACK) PEOPLE AND QUIT MAKING ME ANGRY THAT THEY MIGHT BE ENJOYING LIFE ON MY DOLLA episode of pissin' downward, because trickling on someone else's head apparently helps you ignore the river pouring onto your own. i'm starting to suspect that the defining american cultural characteristics are a) a complete lack of perspective; and b) navel-gazing pettiness derived from (a). my reaction to idiot screed like that is universally a "why the fuck do i care? i got 99 problems, myself, but giving a shit about an artifact of the ongoing culture war -- a "bitch", in the parlance of the hated underclass -- ain't one."

i need to get SUPER ELITE WEALTHY PLUS ALPHA so i can write missives one level up from that, complaining about entitled middle-class people who think that they deserve an education and roads and safe/healthy working environments and protection from their own criminal element. WHAT ARE US WEALTHY OLIGARCHS, i would publically opine, THEIR PARENTS? FIGURE IT OUT! THIS IS AMERICA!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 10, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
man, that's one thinly veiled

Ah, if only.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
inasmuch as i do not factor the anecdotal waste of my HARD-EARNED TAX DOLLAZ BY PO'BUCKERS into my greater political sensibility, neither do i consider the complete literal-mindedness, binary weltanschauung, and general illiteracy of the average libertarian douchemensch when i spit my science on y'all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 07:32:46 PM
plus i consider giving homie d. rompenstomp $322.55 a month to buy phat rims or phat bluntz or phat asses or whatever a FAR better use of my money than, say, the REALITY of having it re-routed into some crazy-ass poor red state's fucktarded deficit infrastructure that spends it persecuting homersekshulz or closing abortion clinics -- and yet i somehow DEAL WITH IT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 07:43:20 PM
Many states already regulate what foods can and can't be bought with food stamps; Michigan comes to mind. I'd imagine most people support regulations on what can be bought with government assistance. The problem I have is that conservatives treat this as THE top issue of wasteful spending when it's not even close. Same with earmark obsessions

That inventory shit though, smh. OH shit an 360, throw them in the hole. Also the voting restriction ha...as if we needed another example of conservative attempts to dehumanize/un-Americanize opponents
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
so does washington, with the wic program. of course, there's a thriving black market for the exchange of wic certificates and stamps for booze and drugs and shitty electronic goods (and maybe even RIMZ!!!!), but, fuck, that would ALSO happen under little miss gentry's plan as well. y'know what? people are people. there will always be a margin of error. there will always be a pareto distribution for work. focus on what YOU can contribute to keeping the machine  of society moving forward, and not on the occasional freeloader. (if you need SOCIAL JUSTICE!!!! REPUBLICAN EDITION, please remember that being poor, even with all the xboxes and RIMZ!!! they are swimming in, is a miserable and shitty way to exist, period.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Not only is it true, but it's the whole point of his campaign.

If you think Ron Paul is interested in "intervention by the government to assist those in need" then I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy.

I dont agree with that either.  I believe Ron Paul is interested in "no government intervention unless it harms someone".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Not only is it true, but it's the whole point of his campaign.

If you think Ron Paul is interested in "intervention by the government to assist those in need" then I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy.

I dont agree with that either.  I believe Ron Paul is interested in "no government intervention unless it harms someone".

like the civil rights act oh wait
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 08:07:43 PM
well, civil rights DO diminish the opportunities for the overclass
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
missouri also, of course.  we took it so far that now we have drug testing for welfare recipents!  because we know all poor people really want is drugs - which is why they are poor - and rich people are all moral hard working people that just want to make sure their money goes towards something good.  never mind that a drug test costs $700+
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 10, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
I bought an xbox for my sister months ago and haven't bothered sending it to her yet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2012, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Not only is it true, but it's the whole point of his campaign.

If you think Ron Paul is interested in "intervention by the government to assist those in need" then I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy.

I dont agree with that either.  I believe Ron Paul is interested in "no government intervention unless it harms someone".

i believe like most ron paul supporters you have no idea what the fuck his actual positions are
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:18:56 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 10, 2012, 08:17:39 PM
I bought an xbox for my sister months ago and haven't bothered sending it to her yet

interstate welfare commerce?!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 10, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 07:59:44 PM
(if you need SOCIAL JUSTICE!!!! REPUBLICAN EDITION, please remember that being poor, even with all the xboxes and RIMZ!!! they are swimming in, is a miserable and shitty way to exist, period.)

I've learned speaking with people like my ex-roommates that by definition you can't have an xbox AND be miserable at the same time. These are people that think that ANY goodies provided by the gubment outweigh any all negatives that may also come about. These are people who think that there is not only a permanent poor class who thrives on welfare, but in fact, an additional group of people who ALREADY make good money, who are actually dying of any opportunity to quit their jobs to live on the dole (temporarily embarrassed filthy poor?).

I've joked in the past that if the government offered free wheelchairs, conservatives would bitch that it would provide people an incentive to break their legs. But with each passing day that seems to be less and less of a joke.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on January 10, 2012, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 05:39:19 AM
Not only is it true, but it's the whole point of his campaign.

If you think Ron Paul is interested in "intervention by the government to assist those in need" then I'm not sure we're talking about the same guy.

I dont agree with that either.  I believe Ron Paul is interested in "no government intervention unless it harms someone".

i believe like ron paul himself you have no idea what the fuck his actual positions are

fixed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 08:22:07 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on January 10, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
missouri also, of course.  we took it so far that now we have drug testing for welfare recipents!  because we know all poor people really want is drugs - which is why they are poor - and rich people are all moral hard working people that just want to make sure their money goes towards something good.  never mind that a drug test costs $700+

i was told by a very wealthy upper manager from ad agency cole & weber that the ONLY reason to get and stay rich is to keep yourself in good drugs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMCwr72Dig
(skip to after 2 minutes where he gets the chance to speak)


I dont see what is wrong with what he has said.  Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.  When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.  He also said he woudl have gotten rid of those laws that say black peopel cannot use government benches or taps.  He just doesnt agree tht people with private property shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.  When people discriminate with private property people who dont like discrimination wiill discriminate againt them and they will lose business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2012, 08:33:20 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait


Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.

The Civil Rights Act is the 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct by the White team.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMCwr72Dig
(skip to after 2 minutes where he gets the chance to speak)


I dont see what is wrong with what he has said.  Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.  When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.  He also said he woudl have gotten rid of those laws that say black peopel cannot use government benches or taps.  He just doesnt agree tht people with private property shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.  When people discriminate with private property people who dont like discrimination wiill discriminate againt them and they will lose business.

gee, 200 thousand years of human anthropology would like a word with ron "doesn't believe in evolution" paul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMCwr72Dig
(skip to after 2 minutes where he gets the chance to speak)


I dont see what is wrong with what he has said.  Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.  When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.  He also said he woudl have gotten rid of those laws that say black peopel cannot use government benches or taps.  He just doesnt agree tht people with private property shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.  When people discriminate with private property people who dont like discrimination wiill discriminate againt them and they will lose business.

gee, 200 thousand years of human anthropology would like a word with ron "doesn't believe in evolution" paul.

I would argue against that but this is the politics thread not the evolution thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 08:43:34 PM
more accurately, you would attempt to argue an untenable observation, i would dismantle you like so much epistemological tagboard, you would continue with even greater conviction in your silly beliefs because that sort of cognitive behavior is ironically fundamental to human sociocultural and tribal wiring, and we both would have wasted our time. for this, i blame ron paul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:52:40 PM
Yeah you believe that.  :)  I dont feel like getting into an evolution debate anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 10, 2012, 09:36:22 PM
oh god:

Quote
    Rick Santorum said Monday that comments he made last week in Iowa about food stamps that some construed as racially charged were the result of his having been tongue-tied and were not a reference to black people.

    Moreover, he said he has done more in black communities “than any Republican in recent memory.”

    He maintains that he did not say “black” people’s lives but rather stumbled verbally when he was trying to say “people’s lives” and uttered a short syllable that came out as “plives.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/01/10/401322/santorum-tries-again-to-defend-racist-welfare-rant-i-said-plives-not-black/

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 10, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
Remember, guys, in sports you don't need referees or league officials, you just need a voluntary acceptance among the individual teams!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
Exit polls: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/states/new-hampshire/exit-polls

Of those satisfied with the choice of candidates 47% went for Romney. Of those not, 53% went for Huntsman and Paul.

41% of those satisfied with Obama went for Huntsman (31% for Paul, 20% for Romney) and those angry about Obama went 46% for Romney (19% Paul, 15% Santorum).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
I just logged on, and see that Prole wrote a bunch of ranty posts full of $20 words.  Aw, yeah.  This is like when I checked my TiVo a few months ago and found a new episode of Archer that I wasn't expecting.


also

Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.

Pleasepleaseplease newsfeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 10, 2012, 11:25:02 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMCwr72Dig
(skip to after 2 minutes where he gets the chance to speak)


I dont see what is wrong with what he has said.  Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.  When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.  He also said he woudl have gotten rid of those laws that say black peopel cannot use government benches or taps.  He just doesnt agree tht people with private property shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.  When people discriminate with private property people who dont like discrimination wiill discriminate againt them and they will lose business.

What if Mississippi in the 1960s was a place where people who don't like non-racists stop shopping at stores that let black people in, and THOSE stores go out of business?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 10, 2012, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
I just logged on, and see that Prole wrote a bunch of ranty posts full of $20 words.  Aw, yeah.  This is like when I checked my TiVo a few months ago and found a new episode of Archer that I wasn't expecting.


also

Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.

Pleasepleaseplease newsfeed.

yes, news feed this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
I guess this is part of the Gingrich "carpet bombing" campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M

http://www.kingofbain.com/

Quote
“We’re going to release a short, 27-minute film that is well-documented, and tells the real story of Mitt Romney at Bain Capital—and it’s not a pretty story,” says Rick Tyler, an adviser to the Gingrich-supporting PAC Winning Our Future.

The video, called When Mitt Romney Came to Town, is a slick production focusing on Romney’s tenure as CEO of Bain Capital, a private investment firm.

Apparently they're going to run it on TV in South Carolina before the primary.

Republicans/conservatives aren't happy with Newt:
http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/01/gop-establishment-tries-to-rei.php
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577152861984676368.html
Quote
"Newt Gingrich's attacks on Mitt Romney's record at Bain Capital are disgusting," Club for Growth President Chris Chocola said in a statement Monday night. "There are a number of issues for Mitt Romney's Republican opponents to attack him for, but attacking him for making investments in companies to create a profit for his investors is just wrong.''

Radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh said Gingrich "is using the language of the left.''

The National Review weighed in on Gingrich's line of attack this morning, calling it "foolish and destructive.'' Former New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg joined the anti-Gingrich bandwagon in an interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd. "We are a market economy,'' he said. Added Rep. Frank Gunta, sitting to his left: "I don't think (these attacks) belong in a Republican primary.''
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 12:01:15 AM
Well its going to be Romney with the nomination. Not my ideal choice since I actually think people are dumb enough to vote for that dude but what ever.

I do find it amusing that established conservative figures are having such a hard time beating Ron Paul. Think about that for a second and realize how messed up that is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 11, 2012, 12:03:44 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
I guess this is part of the Gingrich "carpet bombing" campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M

Republicans/conservatives aren't happy with Newt:
http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/01/gop-establishment-tries-to-rei.php
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204257504577152861984676368.html
Quote
"Newt Gingrich's attacks on Mitt Romney's record at Bain Capital are disgusting," Club for Growth President Chris Chocola said in a statement Monday night. "There are a number of issues for Mitt Romney's Republican opponents to attack him for, but attacking him for making investments in companies to create a profit for his investors is just wrong.''

Radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh said Gingrich "is using the language of the left.''

The National Review weighed in on Gingrich's line of attack this morning, calling it "foolish and destructive.'' Former New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg joined the anti-Gingrich bandwagon in an interview with MSNBC's Chuck Todd. "We are a market economy,'' he said. Added Rep. Frank Gunta, sitting to his left: "I don't think (these attacks) belong in a Republican primary.''


That really IS a very strange video that Newt's peddling. It could have come straight out of moveon.org.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2012, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 12:01:15 AM
Well its going to be Romney with the nomination. Not my ideal choice since I actually think people are dumb enough to vote for that dude but what ever.

I do find it amusing that established conservative figures are having such a hard time beating Ron Paul. Think about that for a second and realize how messed up that is.

Hard time my ass.  There are about 20-23% of the electorate that will bother showing up for a primary that will vote for Paul.  He's not gonna gain any more no matter who drops out because he's already at his ceiling, which consists of the following:  libertarians, stupid young people, and Glenn Greenwald.  That's it.  Ron Paul will never win anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMCwr72Dig
(skip to after 2 minutes where he gets the chance to speak)


I dont see what is wrong with what he has said. Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.  When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.  He also said he woudl have gotten rid of those laws that say black peopel cannot use government benches or taps.  He just doesnt agree tht people with private property shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.  When people discriminate with private property people who dont like discrimination wiill discriminate againt them and they will lose business.

I don't know where to start
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 12:17:13 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 11, 2012, 12:11:49 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 12:01:15 AM
Well its going to be Romney with the nomination. Not my ideal choice since I actually think people are dumb enough to vote for that dude but what ever.

I do find it amusing that established conservative figures are having such a hard time beating Ron Paul. Think about that for a second and realize how messed up that is.

Hard time my ass.  There are about 20-23% of the electorate that will bother showing up for a primary that will vote for Paul.  He's not gonna gain any more no matter who drops out because he's already at his ceiling, which consists of the following:  libertarians, stupid young people, and Glenn Greenwald.  That's it.  Ron Paul will never win anything.

That's not what I'm saying. The people who show up for any primary are of course generally the cranks but they've always been the cranks. Those people still tended to vote for whoever the Limbaugh's or the Fox News talking heads told them to vote for. For some reason that isn't happening as much. Because the party is very fragmented.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 12:17:13 AM
That's not what I'm saying. The people who show up for any primary are of course generally the cranks but they've always been the cranks. Those people still tended to vote for whoever the Limbaugh's or the Fox News talking heads told them to vote for. For some reason that isn't happening as much. Because the party is very fragmented.
I'm not sure they really have all that much power within the factions of the Republican Party. Limbaugh and Fox for example were heavily for Rudy and despised McCain as a RINO but that didn't do much in the primaries.

That said, Limbaugh, etc. haven't really picked a candidate either. They've flit from candidate to candidate just like the polls did. Fox was quite pro-Perry until he crumbled and they eventually latched onto Santorum. Limbaugh seemed on board with Newt but never too much and now he's all over the place. There was lots of Cain love before he ditched.

Like most of the rest of the Republican Party they seem to only agree on two things: Romney is probably the nominee (it is HIS turn after all) so don't get too rough with him, and Ron Paul wants to let the Muslims kill us all. There's no real unifying candidate like a George W. Bush.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 12:32:47 AM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 11, 2012, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on January 10, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
Quote from: The Business on January 10, 2012, 12:42:49 PM
Your parents pay for all your shit too, loser.

 :lol

My parents pay my rent for now and that's about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 12:55:55 AM
Actually, if there was a unity candidate, it probably was Cain.

If you assume there's like four major factions (not including the overlap) in the Republicans, the religious right, the business/establishment types, the war war war people and the libertarian/paleos. The latter are obviously voting for Paul, the business guys are in with Romney, and the religious were backing Perry/Bachmann (and now Santorum) and everyone but Paul and Huntsman are for war. Cain was probably acceptable to the first three factions just enough, especially with his CEO background, religious stories about his cancer, and "I dunno, ask the experts!" dodge of stuff, to where he could have been their second choices and thus win. Perry was basically the same "acceptable" candidate before he entered the race and people got to see him in the debates. I think Newt's surge was in part of his debate performances making him seem like that non-Romney second choice that was just acceptable enough in all three factions until everyone realized they were talking about Newt fucking Gingrich.

The Democrats had similar issues in 1968 and 1972 (and to a lesser extent 1984 and 1988) with their factions entrenching and struggling to find who could be that unifying candidate.

Republicans will get in line and support/vote Romney in the general though just as they did McCain. Doubtful that Obama Republicans will be like Nixon or Reagan Democrats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2012, 01:31:47 AM
Yeah, I don't think we'll see as many people splitting the ticket now that the parties are more cohesive nationally.

Though if we're splitting the GOP into chunks, surely anti-immigration gets its own faction?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 01:37:40 AM
Ah yeah, that's a really good one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2012, 01:39:17 AM
Let's just be honest and call them what they are:  racists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
Or at least "nativists."

Actually, I like that better than anti-immigration as the name of the faction. That sort of Bill O'Reilly/Lou Dobbs style "we're losing American culture!" that isn't quite as religion focused as the religious right and really only seems to care about religion because it's "part of our culture."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2012, 01:47:50 AM
Or we could quit trying to be polite and spare their feelings, and just call them racists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 01:50:48 AM
I was trying to expand it outside their fear of the brown hordes to include the other things destroying our country like altering the Pledge, saying "Happy Holidays" and allowing smut on the TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 11, 2012, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
I don't know where to start

Yeah the last part is dumb in reference to what i said earlier in that post.  Still though do you believe that legislation makes people think differently of others?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 02:08:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P76di62jcfk
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 02:12:10 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 11, 2012, 02:07:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 12:13:55 AM
I don't know where to start

Yeah the last part is dumb in reference to what i said earlier in that post.  Still though do you believe that legislation makes people think differently of others?

Yes. Legislating human rights and then enforcing that slowly over time and generations makes people less discriminatory. That can take generations and is a slow process of course. The problem with your argument is that is assumes though that the goal of legislation of civil rights issues is to immediately change the hearts and minds of people. It isn't. It's to guarantee rights and break down sanctioned discriminatory practices.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 02:29:58 AM
I'm kind of surprised GOPers are throwing the kitchen sink at Romney. Hillary threw some pretty nasty stuff at Obama after it was clear he was the de facto front runner, including the 3AM ad, but Perry and Gingrich are making quite an odd argument in a republican primary on this stuff; Gingrich sounds almost like Elizabeth Warren when slamming Romney on venture capitol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 11, 2012, 02:34:53 AM
Meh. I'm waiting for the Mormons are evil cultists stuff to arise again. That's prime South Carolina material there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2012, 02:46:31 AM
I really think that written laws can shape norms over time (though they're usually the result of changing norms themselves, blah blah blah).  The slave code and later Jim Crow reinforced racism just as civil rights legislation made it taboo.

Not that the point of civil rights laws was to stop people from having racism in their hearts.  It was to let black folks get entry to mainstream American society, by making sure they had access to education, employment, public accommodations, legal representation, the ballot box, housing, etc.  Even if white people continued to be secret bigots, that's a pretty f'n big deal.

A lot of libertarians/Paul apologists talk about how racist businesses would eventually be at a competitive disadvantage (either through boycotts or through losing out on potential black customers and employees) and be forced to change by the market.  But there was a century after the Civil War and before the CRA and this didn't happen.  There was even roughly three decades after Reconstruction before Jim Crow laws started being passed, so you can't blame it on statism.

This always depresses me a bit.  I know that there's a temptation to spout off on subjects we're not that familiar with in order to buttress our own worldviews (I plead guilty), but America's struggles with institutional racism are recent and important enough that it feels like a disservice whenever they're used that way.

Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.

Speaking of which, you clearly have no clue about racism in Europe/Australia or the attendant debates on hate speech laws.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 11, 2012, 07:30:31 AM
What amazed me is how other than Bachman not a single candidate dropped out after Iowa or New Hampshire. The conservative base keeps giving 10%+ to 3-4 different candidates and Romney is sliding into the nomination without a single loss winning with 30%ish in each state. It's crazy. Why did no one really drop out after either? In 2008 all the Democrats dropped out other than Hillary, Obama, and Edwards after Iowa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 11, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 10, 2012, 11:25:02 PM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
like the civil rights act oh wait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMCwr72Dig
(skip to after 2 minutes where he gets the chance to speak)


I dont see what is wrong with what he has said.  Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports.  When you force equality it doesnt work that well.  People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.  He also said he woudl have gotten rid of those laws that say black peopel cannot use government benches or taps.  He just doesnt agree tht people with private property shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.  When people discriminate with private property people who dont like discrimination wiill discriminate againt them and they will lose business.

What if Mississippi in the 1960s was a place where people who don't like non-racists stop shopping at stores that let black people in, and THOSE stores go out of business?

Answer damian
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 11, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 10, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
People in America are far more racist than people in Australia or Europe.


Yeaah, except for the whole "the biggest war in human history started as a german social Darwinism project" thing.


See also:  the prevalence of far right-wing parties in Europe.  National front in France, the BNP in Britain, the Austrian Freedom Party under Haider, etc.  Or the Swiss referendum vote to ban the construction of minarets on mosques.  Or....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 11, 2012, 09:13:22 AM
Butt-hurt Bill O piece in the paper today:

"Late night liberals love laughing at republicans"

I know 'he mad' and all, but his dumb ass just doesn't get it. They show clips of repubs talking and laugh at how ridiculous it is. No need to take things out of context or distort it. They write the comedy themselves and want to be taken seriously. It's hilarious. Fox news could have the number 1 late night comedy show if they just recap their day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 11, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
On my way to work I tend to torture myself with a morning radio show of elderly right wing nonsense on a classic rock station.  This morning they drove me insane.

They went from calling for support of Ron Paul's ideas and railing against regulation to complaining that Democrats caused the financial meltdown... by removing regulation (Glass Steagall).  what what what!

If they're trolling me they're doing a damn good job of it. 

I also listened to them throw out "facts" that the amount of federal employees has tripled under Obama   :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 11, 2012, 09:48:42 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 11, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
On my way to work I tend to torture myself with a morning radio show of elderly right wing nonsense on a classic rock station.  This morning they drove me insane.

They went from calling for support of Ron Paul's ideas and railing against regulation to complaining that Democrats caused the financial meltdown... by removing regulation (Glass Steagall).  what what what!

If they're trolling me they're doing a damn good job of it. 

I also listened to them throw out "facts" that the amount of federal employees has tripled under Obama   :-\

If only he was that sort of job creator
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 11, 2012, 09:51:37 AM
:lol

They also complained that $165 million went to medicaid and they kept asking "what jobs did that create??" ::)

I don't know why I do this to myself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 11, 2012, 10:01:50 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 11, 2012, 09:13:22 AM
Butt-hurt Bill O piece in the paper today:

"Late night liberals love laughing at republicans"

I know 'he mad' and all, but his dumb ass just doesn't get it. They show clips of repubs talking and laugh at how ridiculous it is. No need to take things out of context or distort it. They write the comedy themselves and want to be taken seriously. It's hilarious. Fox news could have the number 1 late night comedy show if they just recap their day.

yup, Bill Clinton's pecadilloes were completely taboo...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2012, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 11, 2012, 02:08:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P76di62jcfk
 :lol

I love how Fox News and ect. are completely turning on everyone that's against Romney. Rick Perry now sounds like "occupy Wall Street" and Newt Gingrich is now a "liberal in disguise". It's hilarious to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 11, 2012, 11:05:48 AM
Politics just make me hate everyone. Watching candidates give speeches last night, seeing young adults behind them grinning like ANY of this is a good thing makes me wanna barf. And to be honest the Obama Parties always struck me as a little weird too. I just don't trust enthusiasm for anything other than The Slayers, Tech Romancer, Dynasty Warrior games, or Blizzard releases.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 12:19:04 PM
And Warhammer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 11, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
oh yeah, that too. But honestly I wouldnt go to a party held for any of those things. extremes are weird,.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on January 11, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
oh yeah, that too. But honestly I wouldnt go to a party held for any of those things. extremes are weird,.

What if Dan Abnett was going to be there?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 11, 2012, 01:31:35 PM
I dunno- i'd rather not meet him in person. His books are his books.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2012, 02:07:38 PM
Enthusiasm and social connections get things done.  It's not my scene, but it's no more "weird" than my own desire to watch 10 episodes of Archer in a row while eating Ben & Jerry's, and I'm glad other people are doing it so I don't have to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 11, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
its totally weird, shut up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 03:48:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-4bm5NxqPY#
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 11, 2012, 05:24:32 PM
Newt's on fire.  Obama is going to destroy Mitt in the debates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 11, 2012, 05:36:25 PM
I wonder what the hell was going through his mind when he said who let the dogs out. Seriously it was 2008. He thought it was something black people went around saying?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 11, 2012, 07:47:12 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/rick-santorum-dead-north-korean-scientists-are-a-wonderful-thing-2011-10
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 11, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
doesnt he read the bible or something- I thought he was all religious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 11, 2012, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 11, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
What if Mississippi in the 1960s was a place where people who don't like non-racists stop shopping at stores that let black people in, and THOSE stores go out of business?

Wouldnt have happened.  There would have been less racists out of congress than in congress that passed that bill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2012, 11:22:48 PM
...

I'm done
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 11, 2012, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 11, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
What if Mississippi in the 1960s was a place where people who don't like non-racists stop shopping at stores that let black people in, and THOSE stores go out of business?

Wouldnt have happened.  There would have been less racists out of congress than in congress that passed that bill.

So you're saying that the vote in Congress in favor of the CRA proves that the anti-racists outnumbered the racists?  And that this would have applied to the potential customers for a whites-only business in Mississippi in 1964?

edit: These are actual questions, not rhetorical.  I'm trying to make sure I understand clearly what you're trying to say here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
So you're saying that the vote in Congress in favor of the CRA proves that the anti-racists outnumbered the racists?  And that this would have applied to the potential customers for a whites-only business in Mississippi in 1964?

Most likely yes.  Think about the age of the people in Congress.  Older people tend to be more racist.  30% of people in America today are racist.  I suspect (wild guess mind you I have no numbers) the racism was at 40-50% in the 1960s.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
Not only are those numbers totally unsupported guesses, we're talking about RACISM here not party affiliation. You can't just compartmentalize "racist" and "non-racist" as if they are the only possible options.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
Okay, let's accept your premise that the vote on the CRA was equivalent to a Yes/No on racism, and that the Congressmen generally reflected the opinions of their constituents.

Here (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h1964-182) is the House roll call vote on the CRA, sorted by state.

Here (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1964-268) is the Senate roll call.


So tell me, do you think a diner in Mississippi (or Alabama, or Georgia) would have been under pressure from its white customers to desegregate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 12:00:39 AM
So you're saying that the vote in Congress in favor of the CRA proves that the anti-racists outnumbered the racists?  And that this would have applied to the potential customers for a whites-only business in Mississippi in 1964?

Most likely yes.  Think about the age of the people in Congress.  Older people tend to be more racist. 30% of people in America today are racist.  I suspect (wild guess mind you I have no numbers) the racism was at 40-50% in the 1960s.

what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 12, 2012, 12:25:38 AM
Man, thank god only 40-50% of the population was racist back then.  It's a good thing that they weren't, you know, mostly in one area of the nation so they couldn't codify their racism into laws and use those laws to keep them uppity negras in their place or anything.  Shit, if something like that had happened, why we would have probably have had to pass some sort of landmark legislation in order to stop stuff like that!  Because, you know, it's not like human history is full of the powerful deciding to just stop oppressing the powerless without some sort of external action or whatever. 

I MEAN FUCK IT'S LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY FUCKING distinguished mentally-challenged OR SOMETHING
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:25:47 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
Not only are those numbers totally unsupported guesses, we're talking about RACISM here not party affiliation. You can't just compartmentalize "racist" and "non-racist" as if they are the only possible options.

I can give you the study that says America is 30% racist.  but otherwise what you say is true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 12:24:10 AM
Okay, let's accept your premise that the vote on the CRA was equivalent to a Yes/No on racism, and that the Congressmen generally reflected the opinions of their constituents.

Here (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h1964-182) is the House roll call vote on the CRA, sorted by state.

Here (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1964-268) is the Senate roll call.


So tell me, do you think a diner in Mississippi (or Alabama, or Georgia) would have been under pressure from its white customers to desegregate?

Yes you are right.  I didnt realise mississippi was one of your racist states.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 12, 2012, 12:33:20 AM
Oh sweet fucking Jesus, you're not American?  PLEASE STFU THEN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:34:23 AM
http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/odd-numbers/2007/07/26/the-most-racist-country-in-the-western-world/

Incase you wanted the numbers for the 30% racist thingy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on January 12, 2012, 12:37:34 AM
Campaign season is so much fun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 12, 2012, 12:39:49 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2012, 12:18:47 AM
Not only are those numbers totally unsupported guesses, we're talking about RACISM here not party affiliation. You can't just compartmentalize "racist" and "non-racist" as if they are the only possible options.

True.  I'm not racist in the sense that I'm comfortable with Mexicans but racist in the sense that I'm only comfortable with them when they are far away from me.  Call it a semi-racism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2012, 12:44:33 AM
That study isn't saying 30% racism, the guy tried to make an overall matrix of bigotry. From the data source (1999-2000) he used, the % responding "yes" to "I don't want X to live next door" is:
A different race: 8.1%
Muslims: 10.9%
Jews: 9.1%
Immigrants or foreign workers: 10.2%
Homosexuals: 22.9%

To compare, Britain:
Race: 9.2%
Muslims: 14.1%
Jews: 6.2%
Immigrants: 15.1%
Gays: 24.1%

France:
Race: 9.1%
Muslims: 16.1%
Jews: 5.9%
Immigrants: 12.1%
Gays: 15.8%

Spain:
Race: 11.0%
Muslims: 13.2%
Jews: 21.7%
Immigrants: 10.2%
Gays: 15.7%

Norway
Race: 8.2%
Muslims: 19.3%
Jews: n/a
Immigrants: 9.8%
Gays: 14.3%

Paper is available here: http://news.ulster.ac.uk/podcasts/Bigotry.pdf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
anyone who googles "what percentage of people are racists" doesn't understand racism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:10:57 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 12, 2012, 12:44:33 AM
That study isn't saying 30% racism, the guy tried to make an overall matrix of bigotry. From the data source (1999-2000) he used, the % responding "yes" to "I don't want X to live next door" is:

Paper is available here: http://news.ulster.ac.uk/podcasts/Bigotry.pdf

Oh my bad.  I couldnt access the paper before for somereason from the link from that website.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Yes you are right.  I didnt realise mississippi was one of your racist states.

You're not from around here, are you?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:14:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
anyone who googles "what percentage of people are racists" doesn't understand racism

I have my own weird viewpoint on racism.  I belive everyone is racist in some way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:14:48 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 01:11:52 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 12:29:56 AM
Yes you are right.  I didnt realise mississippi was one of your racist states.

You're not from around here, are you?

Nope.  I am from Australia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 01:17:08 AM
Well, then it's excusable that you are stupendously ignorant of America's civil rights history.

Less excusable that you act like you know what you're talking about.  Try to recognize your blind spots, dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 12, 2012, 01:19:29 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:14:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 01:00:22 AM
anyone who googles "what percentage of people are racists" doesn't understand racism

I have my own weird viewpoint on racism.  I belive everyone is racist in some way.

My ex-roommate would always like to say that everyone's prejudiced but not necessarily racist. I largely agree with that, and my roommate would proudly remind us of that whenever he made a say...racially insensitive joke/comment. Course, the more he spoke the more it was made clear that he was in fact just really fucking racist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 01:17:08 AM
Well, then it's excusable that you are stupendously ignorant of America's civil rights history.

Less excusable that you act like you know what you're talking about.  Try to recognize your blind spots, dude.

Its a bad habit i got.  It is my lazy way of learning.  I talk like i know what i am talking about to get responses to correct me and teach me.  I dunno, to actually do research on something just seems hard for me so whenever i want to learn somethign i do this.

EDIT:  I do it without thinking.
Title: Payable to Mandark@ZOG.gov
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 01:31:44 AM
No problem.

You owe me $50 now, though.  Tutoring ain't free.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:37:17 AM
:(  Dammit i know that one of these days i am going to get into trouble for this.  Eh, what am i saying i always get intot trouble for this.  I apologize though for your trouble.  I should keep myself in check more.  It has been a long while since i did this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 12, 2012, 02:26:08 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
EDIT:  I do it without thinking.

YOU DONT SAY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 12, 2012, 08:46:07 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 12, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 12, 2012, 01:17:08 AM
Well, then it's excusable that you are stupendously ignorant of America's civil rights history.

Less excusable that you act like you know what you're talking about.  Try to recognize your blind spots, dude.

Its a bad habit i got.  It is my lazy way of learning.  I talk like i know what i am talking about to get responses to correct me and teach me.  I dunno, to actually do research on something just seems hard for me so whenever i want to learn somethign i do this.

EDIT:  I do it without thinking.

Wow, it's like you're the physical embodiment of the thing I hate most about the Internet.

At least you're self-aware enough to acknowledge it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 12, 2012, 08:51:34 AM
I'm glad I read his remarks on this page before responding to his remarks on the last page
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2012, 04:13:50 PM
Quote
“Gov. Romney has claimed to have created a 100,00 jobs at Bain, and people are wanting to know, is there proof of that claim and was it U.S. jobs created for United States citizens? … And that’s fair,” Palin told Sean Hannity of Fox News when asked about Rick Perry’s “vulture” caplitalism charge against Romney. “That’s not negative campaigning — that’s fair to get a candidate to be held accountable to what’s being claimed.”

Palin added, “Nobody should be surprised that things about Bain Capital and maybe tax returns not being released yet and maybe some record not being as transparently provided to the public as voters deserve to see right now — don’t be surprised that that’s’ all coming out today.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71364.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 04:20:06 PM
I do wonder what a Palin v Romney v the other Not-Romneys race would have looked like
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 12, 2012, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 04:20:06 PM
I do wonder what a Palin v Romney v the other Not-Romneys race would have looked like

my first thought is that regardless of what it would have looked like, there would already be a porno based on the campaign in production.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 12, 2012, 06:26:21 PM
I'm getting burned out on politics already this year.  It's too bad they just don't have one Ultra Tuesday or something where everyone votes at the same day for the primaries.  I guess I wonder why I'm supposed to give a fuck about the campaign.  I did my part by voting for Santorum but if I already know who I'm voting for come November, then why should I care what stupidly offensive thing a Republican said so he/she can appeal to the gun nut crowd?  Most of it is pure bullshit designed to gain a point or two in the polls so it carries little or no water if they were ever put in office.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 12, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
politics are a lot more interesting when you ignore the horserace b.s., especially when it's a no-contest race like this year's
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 12, 2012, 06:46:10 PM
The good news is that I don't have cable and most of my friends just watch HBO or ESPN.  That way I can avoid the excruciatingly awful horseshit known as 24 hour news channels.  I remember how bad 2008 was and maybe that is why I'm losing interest fast.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 12, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game)

I got Gingrich as my top candidate  :-\

(Probably because I support heavy defense spending and placed utmost importance in it...)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 12, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 12, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game)

I got Gingrich as my top candidate  :-\

(Probably because I support heavy defense spending and placed utmost importance in it...)

1) Obama  84.5%
2) Hunstman 42.4%
3) Mittens 33.5%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlhyX-4qKI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 12, 2012, 08:48:52 PM
95% Obama.  That test is stupid though, like for example some of the questions I found NO response I agreed with but have a feeling that if I put in "none of the above" it would penalize me or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 08:49:32 PM
1. Barrack Obama 68.1
2. Ron Paul 40.1
3. Newt Gingrich 36.1

due to me not supporting cap n trade, and wanting big cuts in defense spending. Pretty shitty poll, as the Medicare answers are muddied

If I had a choice I'd "no option" most of them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2012, 09:01:59 PM
1. Barrack Obama 94.1%
2. Jon Huntsman 33.5%
3. Michelle Bachman 23.7%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 12, 2012, 09:02:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 08:49:32 PM

due to me not supporting cap n trade,



No cap 'n trade?  What do you support when it comes to climate change, then, PD?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: Boogie on January 12, 2012, 09:02:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2012, 08:49:32 PM

due to me not supporting cap n trade,



No cap 'n trade?  What do you support when it comes to climate change, then, PD?

I support EPA regulations and a carbon tax
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 12, 2012, 09:21:36 PM
Like most things, I support making it legal to hunt, kill, skin and eat serial polluters for a 3 week span each year.  Think of all the problems in our society this would solve- the media, the bcs, the Kardashians, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 12, 2012, 09:31:08 PM
1. Obama - 73.4%
2. Ron Paul - 46.8%
3. Michelle Bachmann (WTF?) - 33.5%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 12, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Obama: 74 %
Paul: 32 %
Perry (wut): 30%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2012, 10:33:49 PM
Shocking:
1. Ron Paul: 89% (8/11 issues)
2. Rick Perry: 48% (3/11 issues)
3. Michelle Bachmann: 39% (2/11 issues)

Didn't really care for the choices on some like gay marriage and immigration. Tried to pick the closest but wound up picking "none of above" on three of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 12, 2012, 10:47:37 PM
Yeah some of the choices sucked.  I wish there was a "repeal Obamacare with a strong public option" but alas there was none so I went with none of the above.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2012, 10:52:07 PM
Also, Vermin Supreme was missing. He finished fourth in New Hampshire!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 12, 2012, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on January 12, 2012, 10:47:37 PM
Yeah some of the choices sucked.  I wish there was a "repeal Obamacare with a strong public option" but alas there was none so I went with none of the above.

Yeah, it's like there's no option for anyone who wants policies beyond center-right crap, so I guess it's kinda like real life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
Well, they can't go any more "left" than Obama's or Ron Paul's positions on any of the issues as there aren't any other candidates in the quiz. They'd have to put in third parties and those simply don't exist in most of the media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 12, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
So they're trying to legalize gay marriage here in Washington...

Quote from: The Stranger
GAY MARRIAGE IN WA SENATE
 
Twenty-five votes needed to pass
 
Yes: 23
No: 20

Undecided: 6
Sen. Joe Fain (R-47), Sen. Brian Hatfield (D-19),
Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen (D-10), Sen. Andy Hill (R-45),
Sen. Jim Kastama (D-25), Sen. Paull Shin (D-21)

MY FUCKING UNCLE IS ONE OF THE UNDECIDED VOTES. WHAT THE FUCK. His Uncle died from AIDS in the early 80s. We're a very pro-gay rights family. WHAT THE FUCK, DUDE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 12, 2012, 11:25:51 PM
Can the undecided change their votes either way?

Edit: There are some rumblings from the wingnuts (the people who probably voted for Santorum in the primaries) to repeal gay marriage in my state but the Iowa Supreme Court's ruling pretty much makes it impossible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2012, 11:32:59 PM
Hey, if we save and strengthen marriage then kids won't choose to be gay out of despair thus saving them from AIDS forever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 13, 2012, 12:33:00 AM
Quote from: tiesto on January 12, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game)

"Energy" has five choices, and every single one of them starts with "increase domestic oil and gas production."

Fuck that noise.  I'm going to find one of those "Which literary heroine are you?" personality quizzes and rig the answers so I get Lizzy Bennet or Flora Poste.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2012, 12:35:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 13, 2012, 12:33:00 AM
Quote from: tiesto on January 12, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/candidate-match-game)

"Energy" has five choices, and every single one of them starts with "increase domestic oil and gas production."

Fuck that noise.  I'm going to find one of those "Which literary heroine are you?" personality quizzes and rig the answers so I get Lizzy Bennet or Flora Poste.

Well, it's geared towards determining which of the candidates you most closely align with and reflects the fact that in the real election we're all just basically having to pick the least worst option from among what we're given.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 13, 2012, 02:19:55 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 12, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
So they're trying to legalize gay marriage here in Washington...

Quote from: The Stranger
GAY MARRIAGE IN WA SENATE
 
Twenty-five votes needed to pass
 
Yes: 23
No: 20

Undecided: 6
Sen. Joe Fain (R-47), Sen. Brian Hatfield (D-19),
Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen (D-10), Sen. Andy Hill (R-45),
Sen. Jim Kastama (D-25), Sen. Paull Shin (D-21)

MY FUCKING UNCLE IS ONE OF THE UNDECIDED VOTES. WHAT THE FUCK. His Uncle died from AIDS in the early 80s. We're a very pro-gay rights family. WHAT THE FUCK, DUDE.

it's NEVER about what they believe; it's about getting re-elected, or more specifically: what their donors want from them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2012, 02:23:40 AM
Romney was right, only rich people should serve in government because they won't have to worry about donors and outside pressure!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2012, 08:30:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBDykZbGGZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBLOUEKMUXo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 13, 2012, 10:20:36 AM
Yeah that poll was fucking terrible.  I would have chosen "None of the above" on all of them but because I chose what was closest to my opinion I ended up with John Huntsman at 51% and Michelle Bachmann at 23%.  Yeesh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 13, 2012, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: Spencer on January 13, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Damn, it's flash. iOS's Achilles heal. I wanted to know who USA today wants me to vote for too :'(
Doesn't USA Today have a free iPad app?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 13, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 13, 2012, 02:19:55 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 12, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
So they're trying to legalize gay marriage here in Washington...

Quote from: The Stranger
GAY MARRIAGE IN WA SENATE
 
Twenty-five votes needed to pass
 
Yes: 23
No: 20

Undecided: 6
Sen. Joe Fain (R-47), Sen. Brian Hatfield (D-19),
Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen (D-10), Sen. Andy Hill (R-45),
Sen. Jim Kastama (D-25), Sen. Paull Shin (D-21)

MY FUCKING UNCLE IS ONE OF THE UNDECIDED VOTES. WHAT THE FUCK. His Uncle died from AIDS in the early 80s. We're a very pro-gay rights family. WHAT THE FUCK, DUDE.

it's NEVER about what they believe; it's about getting re-elected, or more specifically: what their donors want from them.

Yeah, but he's not running for re-election. I spoke to my grandma about this last night and tried to not go off on her about it. She defended him to the bitter end and said there's a reason why he's undecided and that we should happy with the end result. Discrimination of people is not some fucking political game. SMH.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2012, 02:26:49 PM
You should tell your uncle that a wise man once told you soon everyone must choose whether to do what is right, or what is easy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 13, 2012, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 13, 2012, 02:22:10 PM
That's gonna be an awkward thanksgiving.

Can you pass the gravy?

CAN YOU PASS GAY MARRIAGE?!

:lol

My wife and I are already not huge fans of his politically. This just makes us shake our heads even more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2012, 03:12:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyFaWhygzjQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2012, 08:03:45 AM
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/gingrich-asks-super-pac-to-address-errors-in-ad-against-romney/
Quote
Newt Gingrich called on the “super PAC” supporting him to edit or take down a 28-minute pseudodocumentary attacking Mitt Romney’s record at the investment firm Bain Capital after news media fact checkers found a number of inaccuracies.

“I’m calling on them either to edit out every single mistake, or withdraw the entire film,” Mr. Gingrich said. “They cannot run the film with those errors in it.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2012, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: Spencer on January 13, 2012, 08:29:56 PM
Lmfao, I read abovetopsecret for shits and gigs and it appears the birthers are questioning Romney's eligibility now! Does explain why Romney defended Obama on that whole deal.

Here's the link if you feel like taking a dive into ridiculousness

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread797032/pg1

Let me be clear: I think the whole deal is fucking stupid

Damn Mexicans stealing our jobs. I was going to run for President, but Mitt Romney will do it cheaper I guess!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/romney-gives-unemployed-woman-cash-on-ropeline/
Quote
SUMTER, S.C. — Amid shaking hands and signing campaign posters, Mitt Romney did something he has never done before on the ropeline: He took out his wallet and handed a wad of cash to a woman waiting to shake his hand.

The woman, 55-year-old Ruth Williams, says she has been following the Romney campaign since he arrived in the state on Jan. 11, when she said she received a message from God to track him down.

“I was on the highway praying and said, ‘God just show me how to get [my] lights on,’ and I pulled up to a stop sign and his bus was there,” said Williams, who has been unemployed since last October. “And then God said, ‘Follow the bus,’ and I followed the bus to the airport.”

According to Williams, she followed the campaign bus to the Columbia airport on Wednesday, the same day Romney was arriving from New Hampshire. When Romney wasn’t on the bus, aides told her to go to the rally scheduled in Columbia later that day. When she showed up, Romney found her to say hello and pulled over South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley to say “hello” too.

“He was kind to me and he made Gov. Haley come see about me,” Williams said. “He stopped doing everything.”

Williams, who would not specify how much money Romney gave her, said also that South Carolina Treasurer Curtis Loftis paid her light bill on Thursday. A spokesman for Loftis, one of Romney’s major endorses in the state, confirmed to ABC News that he paid Williams’ bill. While Loftis didn’t know the amount of the bill, he confirmed that he gave her $150.

“God didn’t tell me to go to nobody else, he told me to pray for Romney,” said Williams, when asked why she has decided to support Romney. “I listened to the Lord.”

Williams said she has been volunteering at Romney’s Columbia headquarters since meeting his bus last week.

“I’ve been working at his campaign office cleaning and just doing little things,” she said.

“They really did, they really came through for real,” she said.

While Williams would not specify how much money Romney gave her, a campaign spokesman said that he believes Romney gave the woman between $50 and $60.
:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
Surprised at how easily it looks like Romney will  win South Carolina. I thought the rest of the field despite how weak it was would put up more of a fight since this one determines the nomination essentially.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on January 15, 2012, 12:04:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2012, 02:26:49 PM
You should tell your uncle that a wise man once told you "Equality comes from voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports."

fixed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2012, 08:00:09 PM
GAME CHANGER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 15, 2012, 09:21:17 PM
Will it have more or less impact than Kelly Clarkson's endorsement!?!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 15, 2012, 10:38:44 PM
Huntsman is dropping out and gonna endorse Mitt on Monday.


Many many many months ago someone who's interested in American Politics but not American asked me about the republican candidates. I told them I couldn't really answer objectively since I'm liberal but all of the candidates were crazy people to me except Huntsman who seemed sane. I then said that alone would make sure he could never get the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 15, 2012, 10:45:19 PM
Yeah, Huntsman was gambling that there were enough sane Republicans left who just wanted to keep beating the poor and middle class down without all of that TEH SOCLIASIZM, BIRF CERTIFICATE, KEEP THE GUBMINT OUT OF MY MEDICARE.  Oh Jonny, did you back the wrong horse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2012, 11:07:39 PM
I guess Huntsman figures he'll be "next up" in 2016 assuming Romney loses. But 2016 will see a pretty potent crop of governors running most likely, from Chris Christie to Bob McDonnell (who should be Romney's VP choice imo). If Huntsman couldn't stand out in a field of crazy people, how will he stand out in a field of less-crazy people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
Huntsman should run as an independent.  I wouldn't mind voting for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 15, 2012, 11:39:21 PM
Huntsman's not REALLY going to do anything your garden variety Republican wouldn't do either.  He still believes in trickle down economics; while not outright hostile to TEH GAYZ he's not going to go out of his way to help them; and his foreign policy would be worse than Obama's.  His thing is that he isn't part of the whole SOCIALIZM, BIRF CERTIFICATES, THE URF IS 6,000 YEARS OLD! wing of the party, but let's be honest- while Obama has been disappointing, if you care about anything on the left side of the spectrum you're not going to get it better with Huntsman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2012, 11:44:19 PM
Huntsman was a very conservative governor. Just because he supports civil unions and believes in science doesn't mean he's a complete moderate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2012, 11:49:01 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 15, 2012, 11:39:21 PM
Huntsman's not REALLY going to do anything your garden variety Republican wouldn't do either.  He still believes in trickle down economics; while not outright hostile to TEH GAYZ he's not going to go out of his way to help them; and his foreign policy would be worse than Obama's.  His thing is that he isn't part of the whole SOCIALIZM, BIRF CERTIFICATES, THE URF IS 6,000 YEARS OLD! wing of the party, but let's be honest- while Obama has been disappointing, if you care about anything on the left side of the spectrum you're not going to get it better with Huntsman.
Well, I mean if Obama wasn't running, I'd vote for Huntsman.  I still believe in Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 15, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
I don't, still not sure if I'm gonna bother to vote. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
what state do you live in again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 16, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
what state do you live in again?

NC.  If it's close I guess I'll vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 16, 2012, 12:42:39 AM
You'd better fucking vote if you are in NC
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2012, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 16, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
what state do you live in again?

NC.  If it's close I guess I'll vote.

It'll be close. Obama won NC by less than 500k votes last time

I wish I lived in MA so I could just vote for Elizabeth Warren
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 16, 2012, 01:40:58 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 14, 2012, 03:12:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyFaWhygzjQ

i was too distracted by the inconsistent typography to pay attention to the message
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 16, 2012, 02:09:05 AM
There are parts of Huntsman I like and he's better than the rest of the GOP field, but he's still incredibly conservative on social issues, so I wouldn't vote for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on January 16, 2012, 02:26:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2012, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 16, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
what state do you live in again?

NC.  If it's close I guess I'll vote.

It'll be close. Obama won NC by less than 500k votes last time

I wish I lived in MA so I could just vote for Elizabeth Warren
Oh hey I live in MA. During Bush's reelection campaign in '04 he just sent is daughters over here in a 'yYeah we're not fucking winning this state ever but thanks for supporting us anyway!' gesture. Kind of weird that they seemingly never have a chance here but we inexplicably put Mitt in as governor but since when have politics ever made any sense?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 16, 2012, 02:30:58 AM
On the presidential level I would never vote for a Republican. I would either vote for the Democrat or not vote if I just couldn't stand the Democratic candidate. There is just too much stuff where a president is beholden to his party and has to do certain things to satisfy the base or get the support of other politicians in his party. Look at someone like John McCain and all his "Maverick" foolishness for example. That's not to say I couldn't recognize that some Republican candidates would be far worse towards my beliefs than others. Hunstman is one of the "better" Republicans for my personal beliefs but I still wouldn't have voted for him. Heck on foreign policy I agree with Ron Paul more than I do with the Democratic positions. The Republican Party would need to fundamentally change though before I cast a vote on that side.

Now on lower level elections there are Republican candidates I could see myself potentially voting for. Especially in Liberal states. I thought Charlie Christ was a good Republican governor to pick a random example not that Florida is liberal.

I've voted for every Democratic presidential candidate starting with Clinton in 92 except for John Kerry. I don't think he was a bad man. Just a very weak candidate and I was really pissed off at pretty much everything around that election. Especially at Democrats for being so fearful of Bush and the crazy shit that was going on around that time. That was my "protest" no vote. Although I was living in California at the time so it didn't really matter. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 16, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
I live in Texas.  My presidential vote never counts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 16, 2012, 12:55:07 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 16, 2012, 10:15:52 AM
I live in Texas.  My presidential vote never counts.
At the rate the solidly democratic hispanic population is growing in Texas it will count at somepoint in your life time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 16, 2012, 01:09:33 PM
I think we've discussed this before but there are a ton of hispanics that still support conservatives in this state.  Even illegals I know who would vote for people who want them thrown out of this country.  It's mind boggling.  Republicans could (not saying they will) steal their votes if they played it right.  You have no idea how much I hear about Obama from my in laws and it's the same Neocon talking points.  It's just that on most social issues hispanics are firmly conservative. 

Hell, I was watching Univision news yesterday morning and they were shit talking Obama over immigration and throwing their support to Perry and to a lesser extent Romney.  It doesn't make sense to me but oh well. 

And for this particular election there are so many hispanics pissed about the increase in deportations and Obama's failure to enact reform/amnesty that they're looking to vote for someone else.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, that is issue #1.  They will vote for whoever promises them amnesty/reform for their family members and friends.  If a Republican promises change then that's who they'll go for.  That's why they voted for Obama but they're pissed because his first term flew by and he didn't attempt major reform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 16, 2012, 01:14:34 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2012, 01:09:10 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 16, 2012, 12:33:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
what state do you live in again?

NC.  If it's close I guess I'll vote.

It'll be close. Obama won NC by less than 500k votes last time

I wish I lived in MA so I could just vote for Elizabeth Warren

Correction- Obama won NC by less than FIFTEEN THOUSAND votes in 2008, which just makes me think there's no fucking way he wins this time.  But if it's polling within 5% I'll schlep my ass to the polls and vote.  I may vote anyway just because there's a Governor's election as well and I can't see myself being enthused by a potential GOP Guv.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 16, 2012, 01:43:26 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 16, 2012, 01:09:33 PM
I think we've discussed this before but there are a ton of hispanics that still support conservatives in this state.  Even illegals I know who would vote for people who want them thrown out of this country.  It's mind boggling.  Republicans could (not saying they will) steal their votes if they played it right.  You have no idea how much I hear about Obama from my in laws and it's the same Neocon talking points.  It's just that on most social issues hispanics are firmly conservative. 

Hell, I was watching Univision news yesterday morning and they were shit talking Obama over immigration and throwing their support to Perry and to a lesser extent Romney.  It doesn't make sense to me but oh well. 

And for this particular election there are so many hispanics pissed about the increase in deportations and Obama's failure to enact reform/amnesty that they're looking to vote for someone else.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, that is issue #1.  They will vote for whoever promises them amnesty/reform for their family members and friends.  If a Republican promises change then that's who they'll go for.  That's why they voted for Obama but they're pissed because his first term flew by and he didn't attempt major reform.
Romney won't shut up about how pro-Amesty Obama is and how he will have much harsher illegal immagration policy. Republicans at the national level don't seem the slightest bit interested in appealing to the hispanic vote right now. Which is mind boggling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 16, 2012, 01:47:47 PM
Yep.  Agreed.  They have no interest in courting hispanics even though a large percentage of them want to support Republicans.  But I guess the angry elderly white vote is more important to them than the hispanic vote.  But at some point the hispanic vote will be way too huge for right wingers to ignore even if it's at the cost of the rural hick vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
I bet Romney will barely get 40% of the Hispanic vote. The question is whether Hispanics will show up in 08 numbers or will turnout be lower
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 16, 2012, 02:35:50 PM
I'm guessing lower.  No one is really courting them (yet at least).  The "stole our jobs" crowd are way too sensitive this go around and I think that mentality has only spread since '08 with the tea party nonsense that's gained ground since then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 16, 2012, 06:07:31 PM
I think I'm just going to vote for Nader or write in someone for President this year.  I got to thinking about how piss poor Obama's track record was on the shit that was important to me when I went for him at the caucuses at 2008 (transparency, accountability, etc.).  Not to mention the numerous balls that were dropped at critical moments in 2009 where some things could have really changed for the better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 16, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2012, 09:45:46 PM
Romney's dad was born in Mexico? omg he's ineligible to be president :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 12:32:47 AM
His dad actually faced some of that in his '68 bid (some assume Nixon's camp was behind it) and then he gave that whole "brainwashing" interview about Vietnam and nobody cared anymore. Both his parents were Americans though, the Romney clan just absconded to Mexico because of that silly polygamy thing.

I'm pretty sure Nixon named him to head HUD just to screw with him for four years.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 17, 2012, 02:28:28 AM
as gawd-awful as Bush jr. was, at least he didn't have his head all the way up his ass about immigration reform.  If hispanics ever do become a reliable GOP block (and I'm not counting on that as they seemingly exist forever as a rage-fueled party) it could be because W laid the groundwork for them.

Wouldn't that be weird, if the true successor to Reagan in building a legacy of conservative support, turned out to be George W. Bush?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
New Paul ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVi45vfA6o
New Santorum ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53Q__57k24


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/16/activists-say-pro-santorum-vote-was-rigged/
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In an evolving power struggle, religious conservatives are feuding about whether a weekend meeting in Texas yielded a consensus that former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum is the best bet to stop Mitt Romney’s drive for the Republican presidential nomination.

A leading evangelical and former aide to President George H.W. Bush said he agreed with suspicions voiced by others at the meeting of evangelical and conservative Catholic activists that organizers “manipulated” the gathering and may even have stuffed the ballot to produce an endorsement of Mr. Santorum over former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

Mr. Santorum, who nearly upset Mr. Romney in the Iowa caucuses, won the first ballot ahead of Mr. Gingrich in Saturday’s Texas meeting but the margin was too slim for organizers to claim a consensus. It was not until the third ballot, taken after many people had left to catch flights back home, that Mr. Santorum won more than 70 percent of those still in attendance and claimed the endorsement.

Former White House evangelical-outreach official Doug Wead, who represented GOP presidential hopeful Texas Rep. Ron Paul at the event, said it appeared the outcome obviously was determined in advance by the choice of the people invited.

“By the time the weekend was over, it was clear that this had been definitely planned all along as a Rick Santorum event,” Mr. Wead said, noting that he was the only supporter of Mr. Paul to receive an invitation.

“The organizer was for Santorum, the person who created the invitation list was for Santorum, the emcee was for Santorum, and after making sure all of the Gingrich people had vented early, the last three speakers before the vote were for Santorum,” he said.

Added a Gingrich supporter, a prominent social conservative who asked not to be named, “My view is that the vote was manipulated.”

Yet another evangelical political organizer who attended the meeting said he witnessed a possible incident of ballot-box stuffing. In at least one instance, the witness said, a participant was seen writing Mr. Santorum´s name on four separate ballots and putting all four in the box.

Another candidate quiz thing:
http://www.votesmart.org/voteeasy/
1. Gary Johnson: 90%
2. Ron Paul: 81%
Obviously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 17, 2012, 09:21:30 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 17, 2012, 02:28:28 AM
as gawd-awful as Bush jr. was, at least he didn't have his head all the way up his ass about immigration reform.  If hispanics ever do become a reliable GOP block (and I'm not counting on that as they seemingly exist forever as a rage-fueled party) it could be because W laid the groundwork for them.

Wouldn't that be weird, if the true successor to Reagan in building a legacy of conservative support, turned out to be George W. Bush?
Republicans from border states like Bush (and Perry) tend to be pretty sensible on immigration policy and hispanic voters in general because they actually have to deal with it. It's the more northern Republicans like Romney who never had to deal with it themselves who tend to enjoy saying the "DEM MESSICANS ARE STEALING OUR JOBS" sort of nonsense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 10:12:39 AM
I think the northerners (old Republicans in the New England area at least) are totally fine with it as well, IIRC, Romney got savaged for his immigration positions in 2008 before he found the right ones. McCain was almost enemy number one in late 2006 or so when Bush wanted the "amnesty" and he ended up the nominee.

The Bush camp deliberately wanted to win over Hispanics no matter what to solidify GOP power. He won them solidly in Texas because he was willing to play to them as a base. "Compassionate conservative" was not just for crackers, the religion play up along with government programs to improve schools, etc. that was all part of the Hispanic selling. I believe the number was 35-40%. If you could get close to that, you were golden as a Republican. Rove got a ton of attention for his strategy to get the religious out, but he had started back in Bush's first run trying to break Democratic holds on certain blocs like Hispanics because he recognizes their future political power.

On that topic, I think this is, discounting delivery, one of Bush's best speeches and one of the better Presidential speeches of modern times, the ending parts starting at like 30 minutes in the video anyway:
http://www.archive.org/details/gwb_urbanl
http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/campaign/speeches/bush_july23.html

I also liked the speech before I watched Journeys with George this weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mdzTrIugo (first part) Liked it when he gave it. Not enough to vote, but still.

And I wanted to impeach the guy in Spring 2002.

EDIT: To quote the part from the speech for ease:
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I'm here for another reason. I'm here to ask for your vote. (Applause.)

No, I know, I know, I know. The Republican party has got a lot of work to do. I understand that. (Laughter and applause.) You didn't need to nod your head that hard, Jesse. (Laughter.)

Do you remember a guy named Charlie Gaines? Somebody gave me a quote he said, which I think kind of describes the environment we're in today. I think he's a friend of Jesse's. He said, "Blacks are gagging on the donkey but not yet ready to swallow the elephant." (Laughter and applause.)

Now that was said a while ago. (Laughter.) I believe you've got to earn the vote and seek it. I think you've got to go to people and say, this is my heart, this is what I believe, and I'd like your help. And as I do, I'm going to ask African American voters to consider some questions.

Does the Democrat party take African American voters for granted? (Applause.) It's a fair question. I know plenty of politicians assume they have your vote. But do they earn it and do they deserve it? (Applause.) Is it a good thing for the African American community to be represented mainly by one political party? That's a legitimate question. (Applause.) How is it possible to gain political leverage if the party is never forced to compete? (Applause.) Have the traditional solutions of the Democrat party truly served the African American community?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 17, 2012, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
Another candidate quiz thing:
http://www.votesmart.org/voteeasy/
1. Gary Johnson: 90%
2. Ron Paul: 81%
Obviously.

Obama 60% and Johnson 56%, Newt also polled surprisingly high for me  :-\

If only there was a socially progressive, fiscally middle-of-the-road candidate that supported defense spending. I think I ask for too many contradictions in things.

I do like Paul (even though I may not necessarily agree with him over a lot of things), but Obama is probably gonna get my vote. Even though I am really miffed about NDAA, I think it sets an extremely dangerous precedent. Not to mention cowtailing to corporate interests and the Republican conglomerate.

Might have to look into Johnson some more, considering where I live it doesn't matter who I vote for so I can "waste" it on a 3rd party if need be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 17, 2012, 01:49:56 PM
84% Obama
57% Huntsman
52% Gary Johnson
49% Newt Gingrich
26% Ron Paul
39% Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2012, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
Another candidate quiz thing:
http://www.votesmart.org/voteeasy/
1. Gary Johnson: 90%
2. Ron Paul: 81%
Obviously.

Obama - 91%
Huntsman - 51%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 17, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
You and I would make great life partners if it wasn't for your anime love, Great Rumbler.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
I guess we'd have to settle for being the Odd Couple then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Crushed on January 17, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pV5Zg.png)

This is amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 17, 2012, 01:42:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 17, 2012, 03:03:42 AM
Another candidate quiz thing:
http://www.votesmart.org/voteeasy/
1. Gary Johnson: 90%
2. Ron Paul: 81%
Obviously.

Obama 60% and Johnson 56%, Newt also polled surprisingly high for me  :-\

If only there was a socially progressive, fiscally middle-of-the-road candidate that supported defense spending. I think I ask for too many contradictions in things.

I do like Paul (even though I may not necessarily agree with him over a lot of things), but Obama is probably gonna get my vote. Even though I am really miffed about NDAA, I think it sets an extremely dangerous precedent. Not to mention cowtailing to corporate interests and the Republican conglomerate.

Might have to look into Johnson some more, considering where I live it doesn't matter who I vote for so I can "waste" it on a 3rd party if need be.

Why in the blue fuck would you want MORE military spending?  We spend too fucking much anyway.  We could cut like 25% of our military spending and still EASILY spend way more than any other nation.  Are you crazy or is this a "I lived in/around NYC on 9/11 and am nervous" thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 17, 2012, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 17, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
Why in the blue fuck would you want MORE military spending?  We spend too fucking much anyway.  We could cut like 25% of our military spending and still EASILY spend way more than any other nation.  Are you crazy or is this a "I lived in/around NYC on 9/11 and am nervous" thing?

He works for a military contractor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2012, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: Crushed on January 17, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pV5Zg.png)

This is amazing.

Oh man, it might as well be mid April here in Michigan. Very rainy and wet; hell I had to take the bus from school today due to the rain being too ridiculous.

We've had two snow storms this winter, and both only generated about 2-3 inches. Two days later the snow totally disappeared

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 17, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 17, 2012, 02:16:42 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 17, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
Why in the blue fuck would you want MORE military spending?  We spend too fucking much anyway.  We could cut like 25% of our military spending and still EASILY spend way more than any other nation.  Are you crazy or is this a "I lived in/around NYC on 9/11 and am nervous" thing?

He works for a military contractor.

Yup. Plus there's the argument that defense spending allows for R&D that eventually spurs innovations in the commercial sector (ARPANET being an obvious example). But for me it's entirely about job security :P

Quote from: Spencer on January 17, 2012, 02:15:37 PM
The thing I don't understand about or "defense" budget is don't we have the technology to level any country without ever having troops set foot already? So why do we need to spend the money to maintain so many bases and troops all over the world? World police etc etc.

It's all about projection of power and controlling the world's oceans. The Next 100 Years by George Friedman is a great explanation on America's long-term foreign policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 17, 2012, 03:52:00 PM
I agree with Tiesto.  Even if you don't agree with Friedman's predictions his explanation of the importance of the US Navy to long term foreign policy is extremely interesting. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
That's fine and good if, you know, we didn't have massively shitty infrastructure, education, health issues and poverty happening in the country right now while we're building jets we don't even need in 40 fucking states so everybody can get in on the pork trough.  Pour some tussin on it, get a new job and shut the fuck up in the meantime is my viewpoint.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
One of my biggest issues with Democrats is how essentially because of losing so many elections they changed their defense spending philosophy to ape the Republican side because it was losing them votes. If anything tempts me to vote for Ron Paul its when he talks about stopping America being the police force of the world and to cut military spending. He is very eloquent and impassioned on that subject (although even he waffles on the subject to satisfy the mouth breather section of that party) and over my life time that's also the position I've come to. Of course I'd rather see that money spent on infrastructure and health and social things in this country which is where he and I completely split.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 17, 2012, 05:16:44 PM
I legit think he believes all that stuff. The problem is even if he did it would be very hard to get people in either party to go along with that stuff. American Power is arguably too invested in being in everybody's business. If I didn't find the rest of his views on social issues and economic issues utterly abhorrent I could almost vote for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 17, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 17, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
That's fine and good if, you know, we didn't have massively shitty infrastructure, education, health issues and poverty happening in the country right now while we're building jets we don't even need in 40 fucking states so everybody can get in on the pork trough.  Pour some tussin on it, get a new job and shut the fuck up in the meantime is my viewpoint.

Yeah, because cutting the defense budget means that money will go to infrastructure/education/healthcare :rolleyes

It's gonna go to tax breaks for the 1% and you know it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2012, 05:28:28 PM
Not if we elect a real lunatic.  Vote Creepy Old Guy in 2012!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 17, 2012, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 17, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 17, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
That's fine and good if, you know, we didn't have massively shitty infrastructure, education, health issues and poverty happening in the country right now while we're building jets we don't even need in 40 fucking states so everybody can get in on the pork trough.  Pour some tussin on it, get a new job and shut the fuck up in the meantime is my viewpoint.

Yeah, because cutting the defense budget means that money will go to infrastructure/education/healthcare :rolleyes

It's gonna go to tax breaks for the 1% and you know it.

that'd definitely be the case if Paul is elected
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 17, 2012, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 17, 2012, 04:21:51 PM
That's fine and good if, you know, we didn't have massively shitty infrastructure, education, health issues and poverty happening in the country right now while we're building jets we don't even need in 40 fucking states so everybody can get in on the pork trough.  Pour some tussin on it, get a new job and shut the fuck up in the meantime is my viewpoint.
Hey now, I never said the money couldn't be used better elsewhere.  I said it was interesting dagnabbit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 17, 2012, 05:40:14 PM
In an era where people think the government wastes 51 cents to every dollar it spends, you'd have to be stupid or naive to assume that 100% of those defense cuts would go towards infrastructure or education.  Instead, you'd be more likely to have teabaggers shouting that we should get that money back in the form of tax cuts (disproportionately stacked towards the top 1% of course) or at best, some kind of payroll tax credit.

That is if we were to ever make meaningful slashes to a non-war time defense budget, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.  tiesto isn't going to have to worry about losing his job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Also, if the GOP gets control over the Senate, House and Presidency we'll have a war with Iran to deal with pretty soon.  In the interest of your own well being tiesto, obviously you should vote a straight Republican ticket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2012, 07:59:09 PM
To be fair it's not like Obama isn't on the edge of attacking Iran. We're basically in "get up in their face and dare them to push you" bully stage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 17, 2012, 10:36:15 PM
Last I heard the US was trying to put out fires between Israel and Iran before anyone does anything crazy (like Osirak 2 or mining the Strait of Hormuz), but I haven't been following it super closely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 18, 2012, 12:07:02 AM
Quote from: Spencer on January 17, 2012, 10:41:46 PM
I read something about Russia saying an attack on Tehran is an attack on Moscow, not for sure on the validity of that though.

Link?

edit:  I typed the line into google, and it spits out a bunch of links that all source back to this one:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151739#.TxZUQG9SS5L

The headline says "an attack on Tehran is an attack on Moscow", but that quote is nowhere to be found in the meat of the article.

The only quotes from Russian officials are the outgoing ambassador to NATO saying "“Iran is our neighbor, And if Iran is involved in any military action, it’s a direct threat to our security", which, in diplo-speak, is not nearly the same as the headline.

And then the Kremlin security council head saying "“But at the same time, we believe that any country has the right to have what it needs to feel comfortable, including Iran"

So, even without digging into what sort of credibility that site has, there's nothing remotely close to the sort of "blank cheque" security guarantee by Russia to Iran.  That sort of language would have been unprecedented by Russia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 18, 2012, 05:14:48 AM
Quote from: Crushed on January 17, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pV5Zg.png)

This is amazing.

Oh yeah?!

(http://i.imgur.com/igXw2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2012, 05:18:06 AM
What are those guys in white jackets? They aren't labeled.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 18, 2012, 03:11:37 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 18, 2012, 02:16:46 PM
Boogie I feel bad you researched all that! I just read it as a blurb somewhere  :-[


Don't be, I like digging.  I think I have some sort of psychological compulsion or something.  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 18, 2012, 03:41:03 PM
Quote from: Green Man on January 18, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/99666/ron-paul-newsletters-part-two?page=0,1

Quote
A 1992 issue of the Political Report featured an article headlined, “What Blacks Think,” which concluded that “they have some odd political opinions.”

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 18, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
How do black people "demand" pay checks anyway?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 18, 2012, 11:08:12 PM
I think he played a very active role in his newsletters.  The idea that he just let neoconfederates and panconservatives run wild writing far right nuttery with his name on the top without knowing what was really on the letters doesn't wash.  Maybe he didn't write all of those articles but I'm sure he approved them or knew what was going on.  I think at the time, they didn't have the foresight to think that Ron Lawl would be taken seriously outside of Austrian economic circle jerks and right wing fantasies of an upcoming race war.  Now that he is a novelty, saying "I didn't do it" is probably the only semi-plausible attempt to weasel out of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2012, 12:01:34 AM
Why sling mud when I can have my buddy do it for me?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 12:05:27 AM
I think it's a case of him recognizing his base is batshit crazy and letting his surrogates run wild in order to maximize campaign donations. He's on record in 1995 talking about how great his newsletter is, it's not like he had no idea.

It's the same with republicans who insinuate Obama isn't American while talking to hardcore wingers in their district, then disavowing any knowledge of it when challenged by a national reporter on television. If the base believes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjjfUOqBy5Q
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 01:43:55 AM
Rothbard and Rockwell went through this thing where they felt the evil libertines with their atonal music and weird architecture were holding back libertarianism and the right way forward was to sell it to either Pat Buchanan style Republicans (Rothbard) or "regular Americans" (Rockwell) and what do regular Americans love? God plus hating blacks, immigrants, gays and Jews. And if Republicans are on board with that, two birds one stone.

http://mises.org/journals/liberty/Liberty_Magazine_January_1990.pdf (Page 34)
Quote from: Rockwell
In its 17-year history, the LP may never have gotten 1% in a national election, but it has smeared the most glorious political idea in human history with libertine muck. For the sake of that glorious idea, it's time to get out the scrub brushes.

Most Americans agree that aggression against the innocent and their property is wrong. Although these millions are potential libertarians, they are put off by the Woodstockian flavor of the movement. Hair may have left Broadway long ago, but the Age of Aquarius survives in the LP. The cultural anti-norms that mark the libertarian image are abhorrent; they have nothing to do with libertarianism per se; and they are deadly baggage. Unless we dump that baggage, we will miss the greatest opportunity in decades.

...

unless we cleanse libertarianism of its cultural image, our movement will fail as miserably as the LP has. We will continue to be seen as a sect that "resists authority" and not just statism, that endorses the behaviors it would legalize, and that rejects the standards of Western civilization. Arguments against the drug war, no matter how intellectually compelling, are undermined when they come from the party of the stoned.

...

It is...understandable and desirable that libertarianism have a cultural tone, but not that it be anti-religious, modernist, morally relativist, and egalitarian. This tone rightly repels the vast majority of Americans and has helped keep libertarianism such a small movement.

...

Libertarians have to catch up with the American people, who are fed up with modernism in arts, literature, and manners that is really an attack on the West.

...

Pornographic photography, "free" thinking, chaotic painting, atonal music, deconstructionist literature, Bauhaus architecture, and modernist films have nothing in common with the libertarian political agenda-no matter how much individual libertarians may revel in them. In addition to their aesthetic and moral disabilities, these "art forms" are political liabilities outside Berkeley and Greenwich Village.

...

The present State monopoly over the production of domestic security is a failure. The streets of our big cities have become the realm of barbarians (if that is not a libel against the Visigoths).

...

Libertarians can and must talk again with the resurgent paleoconservatives, now in the process of breaking away from the neocons. We can even form an alliance with them.

...

Together, we have a chance to attain victory. But first we must junk the libertarian image as repugnant, self-defeating, and unworthy of liberty.

Paul responded on page 50 of a later issue: http://mises.org/journals/liberty/Liberty_Magazine_March_1990.pdf
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I hesitate to comment on Rockwell's article because I see the debate as being more divisive than productive. I prefer to use my energy attacking those who support statism, whether they do so intentionally or out of ignorance.

Having said this, I will make one comment: it's obvious to me that the Libertarian Party would be a lot bigger than it is now if its image were perceived as more libertarian and less libertine.

From that NYTimes article a few weeks ago:
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Crane, a longtime critic of Mr. Rockwell, called Mr. Paul's close association with him "one of the more perplexing things I've ever come across in my 67 years." He added: "I wish Ron would condemn these fringe things that float around because of Rockwell. I don't believe he believes any of that stuff."

Mr. Paul said in the interview that he did not, but he declined to condemn Mr. Rockwell, saying he did not want to get in the middle of a fight. "I could understand that, but I could also understand the Rothbard group saying, Why don't you quit talking to Cato?" he said.

Mr. Paul described Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard as political provocateurs. "They enjoyed antagonizing people, to tell you the truth, and trying to split people," he said. "I thought, we're so small, why shouldn't we be talking to everybody and bringing people together?"

I think Ron basically just wants to keep the small libertarian coalition together warts and all because, as he noted, it's so small in the first place.

Rothbard pissed at Crane and the Koch over Cato plus those damn libertines taking over the LP: http://mises.org/journals/lf/1981/1981_01-04.pdf
Koch-hating, especially those "cosmotarians" who just want to attend cocktail parties in D.C. and thus don't support TRUE liberty as passed down from the tomes of Lew Rockwell has been around for ages in the Libertarian infighting before others discovered the Koch's secret evil plot to destroy the government through funding NOVA. (Which is a crime in Rockwell land, they should be destroying the state not funding their programming!)

The Objectivists reject voting for Paul because he doesn't believe in "defending our rights and liberties" by bombing Iran immediately and North Korea and China next. (And completely shutting off all global trade with China in the mean time.) The Rockwellites refuse to support Gary Johnson because he thinks there should be incremental changes towards liberty and that sometimes there are least bad options available for now like gay marriage rather than smashing the state immediately over night. A lot of the Libertarian Party members refuse to support him because he was a Republican candidate and thus is distrustful. (These are the people calling on Jesse Ventura to come back from Mexico to become the party nominee.)  The Rockwellites and Paultards were running around attacking libertarians who even mentioned the newsletters as traitors who were undermining Ron Paul and how they'd be the ones to blame if he didn't win the Republican nomination and that this was an intentional plot by Koch and Cato to defeat Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell so they could maintain their popularity and power in D.C. Then there's the people who always support Republicans and reject Ron Paul because he can't win the nomination and thus the best thing for libertarians is to support Mitt Romney in the primary and general election.

And some guy who is convinced that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are the biggest threats to liberty and libertarianism because they're promoting the idea that the electoral system can work to protect liberty. And that what libertarians should really do is help build up the police state so that people will revolt and restore liberty.

Fringe political movements are great. You've got the same exact thing on the other side but formally organized with all those 2-5,000 vote socialist/communist parties. The old Socialist Labor Party's had Debs split off the Socialist Party and then their split off Workers World Party and their splitters in the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

My favorite of the fascist/Nazi spin-offs is http://www.american3rdposition.org/ because they "aren't white supremacists" they just believe it's the job of the government to protect white people and maintain their culture because it's objectively the best. That's all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 19, 2012, 01:58:45 AM
 >:( those damned libertines besmirchin our image with the common folk with their atonal music and their sans serif fonts  >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 08:10:37 AM
http://palinsdirtylittlesecret.blogspot.com/

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Code or coincidence?
Sarah Palin and John McCain claimed to be a Mavericks
Mark Cuban owns the Dallas Mavericks
Obama claims his basketball name was Barack O'Bomber
Sarah Palin claims her basketball name is Sarah Barracuda
Obama claims to have been born in Hawaii
Sarah Palin claims to have attended school at Hawaii Hilo and graduated from U of Idaho in Moscow Idaho
Sarah Palin claims to be able to see Russia from her house
Mark Cuban was under investigation for insider trading of a search engine company named Mamma
Sarah Palin claims to be a Mama Grizzly
Obama was a Chicago Senator
Chicago Bears Chicago Cubs Mama Grizzly
Gayle King was a news anchor
Sarah Palin was a news anchor

Code or coincidence?
Sarah Palin claims to have graduated for University of Idaho in Moscow Idaho
Sarah claims she can see Russia from her house
The longtime leader of Russia was Vladimir Putin
Putin Palin
McCain claimed his favorite band is ABBA which is a palindrome
Another palindrome is the last name of George SoRoS
Long time enemy of Israel is Palestine
The Palin name appears close to many things
More facts:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
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You may remember Carly Fiorina ran for Senate in California
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One of the codes you may have picked up on I haven't mentioned yet is the repeating of the paired letters MA. MArk Cuban Dallas MAvericks and owner of MAgnolia Pictures investor in MAmma search engine. Sarah Palin is a MAma Grizzly.

What caused the last economic meltdown and forced taxpayer bail outs? The housing crisis. Loans were given to everyone through Freddie MAe and Fannie MAc. I wonder what NEWt gingRICH would make of this site? Newt made a lot of money speaking as a consultant for Freddie.
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The First Die Hard came out in 1988 around the time John McCain was elected to the Arizona Senate. The guy that fights the terrorists (who were robbing the place) in Die Hard was named John McClane. The person who played John McClane (drop the L and it sounds different) was Bruce Willis.

Duplication of code or coincidence?
Sarah Palin's siblings names are Heather Heath Bruce and Molly Heath McCann. Sarah Palin's daughter Piper, the name of a plane, shares a birthday of March 19th with actor Bruce Willis.
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Sarah Palin wasn't only chosen to be McCain's running mate because they needed someone who could act stupid for the media to attack and play an average American Hockey mom who was in a Miss Alaska pageant. She was also chosen for her face. When I first went to the FBI all I knew was that there was a large extremely intelligent group of scam artists online who 3 of which looked like their most wanted terrorists. Over time I've been able to deduce everything else. "Sarah Palin," or whomever she is, was chosen with the intention of her being played on SNL by Tina Fey. Sarah Palin also claims her mother-in-law's name is Faye Palin. you may remember McCain and his wife appearing on SNL during the campaign mocking home shopping.

Tina Fey is one of the writers of 30 Rock which takes place at the GE building in Rockefeller Center. As for GE, I'm not sure what General Electric makes of the general electorate.

Through endless interrogations it's been implied to me that the writers on 30 Rock (Tina Fey) had a hand in writing the Rich Jerk sales pitch. After reading this watch the first season of 30 Rock. Lorrie Morgan Ferrero was mentioned earlier. Tracy Morgan plays Tracy Jordan on 30 Rock. There's also a character named Toofer, a black Harvard guy which is where they claimed the name Toofer came from. A member of Tracy Jordan's entourage is named Dot Com on the show. Last, Stompernet promoted by the Rich Jerk included the name Brad Fallon. Weren't Fey, Fallon, and Morgan all on SNL around the same time? Some group with serious writing skills is behind all of these money making schemes.
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Sarah Palin had to drop out of the race due to people leaking this story. Herman Cain appeared to be following closely in her footsteps in that there was an illusion created around him as well. These online scams are heavily tied to the Atlanta, Georgia area. Robert Johnson Rich Jerk Tony Rezko owns several dozen Papa John's PIZZA places. The Rich Jerk website wanted terrorist Saif al-Adel aka Mark Joyner claims to be the GODFATHER of internet marketing. Sarah Palin ran with John McCAIN in 2008. CAIN appears to be Atlanta + Pizza + Godfather = the next Pentagon plant.

The stories surrounding Cain are as made up as Palin's. How about the ones with anonymous people claiming sexual harassment? He's discrediting the media the same way Sarah Palin did. Cain's wife is Gloria. One woman's attorney is Gloria Allred. Then a week or so later Barney Frank announced he's not seeking reelection while Cain acquires a new accuser named Ginger White. Interesting name since Gingrich is now supposedly leading in the polls and Cain endorsed him. Over the last 6 months I have been blocked from linking to this blog at about 5 or 6 sites. The day before Cain announced he's not running I was blocked by 4 sites on that day alone.
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This story is getting harder and harder to leak. Today I was blocked after leaking this to a Sarah Palin story at the Huffington Post after having an account there for about 6 months. Not only am I locked out of most sites for commenting, like many others it appears, sites are no longer allowing links and major stories are being pushed off to places that next to no one gets a comment on (except government). In addition, I'm hacked nonstop so I receive endless errors, screen freezes, and display ads loading in comment fields. Share this story for the sake of our freedom and democracy. Thank you fellow patriots.
:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 09:27:54 AM
Perry out:
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry will end his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination Thursday and endorse Newt Gingrich, POLITICO has confirmed. An announcement is scheduled for 11 a.m. in South Carolina.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2012, 09:38:55 AM
Perry's name starts with a P. You know what else starts with a P? Palin. Palin also dropped out of the Republican race. Coincidence? Or proof that the Trilateral Commission is trying to mind control me?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 19, 2012, 10:09:20 AM
I can't access youtube right now, but I recall either seeing/reading something where Ron Paul actually defended a lot of the racist arguments made in his newsletter until he got on the campaign trail and he started using the "it was someone else" line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 19, 2012, 10:29:57 AM
I'm sure it's in my history at home.  I'll dig it up when I get home.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 10:44:19 AM
Off the top of my head. In his return campaign for Congress the newsletters came up and Paul defended them as a whole but nobody had specifics at the time (since they were stored in that one archive, no internet, etc.) so it didn't go beyond that.

They didn't come back up until 2008 when Reason and some others started putting the actual content online, etc. and that's when he tried the "I didn't read them" line to his defense.

I don't think anyone has ever really thought Paul wrote them. It's hard to reconcile the offensive newsletter content with anything else regarding Paul. We have to assume Paul spends 99% of his time not making those arguments, then he gets alone and writes a newsletter with his name on it that does. Or we can take Rockwell and friends who never have had an issue worrying about the barbarian hordes and how if you just break the right skulls we can get around to liberty. He thought he was out of politics after the Presidential run, Rockwell/Rothbard came to him to use his name on newsletters to keep the movement going and he was fine with that. I assume he only ever slightly checked in on the whole affair but let them just take care of it and cashed the checks. I don't know why people go for the more difficult "racist" attack angle when the whole derelict management aspect is there and even backed up by Paul himself. And one would think, quite relevant to someone wanting to run the executive branch.

Actually, maybe the most logical theory for Paul's "defense" I've heard is that it was Carol Paul who wrote them.  :lol

For the record, the Paultard explanations are:
-Ron Paul is the most ethical man in history and it would be not just unethical but a crime to out people who don't want to be outed. Their privacy in writing the newsletters must be preserved.
-If you read the newsletters there are three or four offensive sentences, but this is just the wording. Everything else is actual the truth, but the PC police are trying to crucify the savior for telling the truth instead of spreading more lies.
-Everyone already knows about the newsletters and heard about it back in 1995, it didn't matter then, Ron Paul won the election. It doesn't matter now, people are tired of hearing about it.
-Jeremiah Wright. Jeremiah Wright. Jeremiah Wright. Bill Ayers. Jeremiah Wright.
-Israel/the Kochs/Cato has ordered these smears of Ron Paul because they're jealous of his success!
-We have the First Amendment, no one should be punished for anything they say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 19, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 19, 2012, 10:33:39 AM
Maybe we'd be better off if we drafted a president, seems anyone who wants to be POTUS any more probably shouldn't be :lol

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Douglas Adams

Who else is excited about NEWTMENTUM 2: THE STREETS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on January 19, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 19, 2012, 10:33:39 AM
Maybe we'd be better off if we drafted a president, seems anyone who wants to be POTUS any more probably shouldn't be :lol

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Douglas Adams

Who else is excited about NEWTMENTUM 2: THE STREETS

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/10103512-418/ex-wife-newt-gingrich-wanted-open-marriage.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
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She said Newt moved for the divorce just months after she had been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, with her then-husband present.

"He also was advised by the doctor when I was sitting there that I was not to be under stress. He knew," she said.

Gingrich divorced his first wife, Jackie, as she was being treated for cancer. His relationship with Marianne began while he was still married to Jackie but in divorce proceedings, Marianne said.
:rofl

(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NA-BP019_PROFNE_D_20120117223143.jpg)

(http://www.drudgereport.com/rs.jpg)

I'll miss Rick Perry, was hoping he'd stick around for one more debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
This guy. smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
He's always been a shit-bag.

The only thing that's changed is the spin from all the assholes in that party.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 19, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 12:33:20 PM

(http://www.drudgereport.com/rs.jpg)

Haverchuck!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 19, 2012, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 12:18:32 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on January 19, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 19, 2012, 10:33:39 AM
Maybe we'd be better off if we drafted a president, seems anyone who wants to be POTUS any more probably shouldn't be :lol

"Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job." - Douglas Adams

Who else is excited about NEWTMENTUM 2: THE STREETS

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/10103512-418/ex-wife-newt-gingrich-wanted-open-marriage.html

Dan Savage says, "Technically you're not asking your wife for an open marriage if you've already been fucking another woman for six years. You're presenting her with an ultimatum. That doesn't make you a proponent of open marriage, Newt, it makes you a Cheating Piece Of Shit."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 12:50:11 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
He's always been a shit-bag.

The only thing that's changed is the spin from all the assholes in that party.
The funny thing is everyone knew it and was fine when he got booted in 1998 for comparably boring crap (IIRC all he did was screw up some paperwork but they wanted rid of him) just because he had all this shit in his background. It's like they completely forgot and couldn't get past his asshole debate performance, the fact he wasn't Romney and oh that Contract with America thing from almost twenty years ago.

I wasn't kidding when I posted a while back that Republicans were transfixed by this idea that Newt would stroll into the fall debates make Obama look silly and win all 538 electoral votes. You can find "esteemed" conservatives writing things like "yeah, Newt worked with Pelosi, and Newt is just fine with Fannie and Freddie Mac, but he is going to just make Obama look like a child!"

Those Ron Paul ads and the Romney ground stuff in Iowa played a big part in derailing his campaign. Republican voters had all forgotten or willfully ignored all the reasons they didn't like Newt until they were reminded. Best part is they started to do it again this week.  :lol

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/SpeakerGingrich.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
The thing is I don't even care about his personal life. Like most people all I care about is job performance. But his hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the family values party is what angers me. It's always been this way but I honestly relish every time one of these fuckers gets shown up for their true selves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 19, 2012, 01:18:57 PM
Republicans proving they have a limited sense of humor once again:

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/404824_10150492036645911_134193140910_9341254_2007361255_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 01:27:16 PM
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/19/perry-drops-out-endorses-newt-will-campaign-and-serve/

Sounds like Perry is full aboard the Newt train. Looks like this is going to become a 4 man race instead of 3. Santorum has more money than ever before, and the backing of Evangelicals. I'd imagine the latest news about Gingrich will only move Christians further to Santorum. And yet Gingrich is currently winning the Evangelical vote quite heavily in SC...if he implodes over the coming days who knows what will happen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 01:34:14 PM
A year ago, hell, six months ago, who would have thought we could be seeing Paul and Santorum as the challengers to Romney down the stretch.

Even Gingrich seemed to have no chance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 19, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
Santorum will be the next to drop out, but he'll endorse Gingrich.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2012, 01:43:10 PM
Nobody has a chance, Mr. Cayman Islands will be the nominee.  Anyone who tells you differently is lying to you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2012, 01:46:46 PM
Actually, thinking of the debates. Can you imagine how boring the Obama-Romney debates will be?

Wait. None of the Presidential debates are interesting.

The VP ones though...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 19, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
The Presidential debates will be interesting if Obama wants them to be, as Romney has been outright lying through his teeth about a bunch of stuff.  Calling him on any of it would be interesting, but it probably won't happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2012, 01:49:25 PM
Santorum has enough money to stay for awhile though, and I think his advisers will argue Newt is bound to implode again due to this news. When he does, that support could go to Santorum. Personally I find that unlikely
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 19, 2012, 04:02:33 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/3/PPP_Poll_SC.jpg)

omg omg omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
Newtmentum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2012, 05:32:47 PM
Newnewtmentum!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 19, 2012, 05:59:24 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 19, 2012, 01:18:57 PM
Republicans proving they have a limited sense of humor once again:

(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/404824_10150492036645911_134193140910_9341254_2007361255_n.jpg)

OOH I GET IT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 19, 2012, 07:06:29 PM
Hand dryers use teleprompters??
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 19, 2012, 07:22:33 PM
My uncle (Washington state senator) came through in support of the gay marriage bill here. Very happy he made the right decision.

Only one more vote and it's good as passed!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 19, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Quote from: The Business on January 19, 2012, 12:48:41 PM
(http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2011/09/Bachman-Yearbook.jpg)

She doesn't have the crazy eyes that she has now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2012, 03:50:00 AM
Newt looks more and more like Charlie Sheen the more i look at him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2012, 04:03:54 AM
Quote from: Green Man on January 18, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/99666/ron-paul-newsletters-part-two?page=0,1

So uh, Ron Paul sounds like a really terrible human being. Why do young people like him so much?

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-frum-ron-paul-newsletters-6627769

Apparently a lot of people did that(ie appear racist to garner votes).  Still though he was a doctor during that period i think he jsut didnt have much time to read through his own newsletters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

If he was really racist he wouldnt have done this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2012, 04:28:25 AM
please stop
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2012, 05:29:25 AM
I am sorry.  :(  You can go back to demonizing him now.  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 20, 2012, 05:34:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hDt2E8MoE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
Quote from: Damian79 on January 20, 2012, 04:03:54 AM
Quote from: Green Man on January 18, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/99666/ron-paul-newsletters-part-two?page=0,1

So uh, Ron Paul sounds like a really terrible human being. Why do young people like him so much?

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-frum-ron-paul-newsletters-6627769

Apparently a lot of people did that(ie appear racist to garner votes).  Still though he was a doctor during that period i think he jsut didnt have much time to read through his own newsletters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4

If he was really racist he wouldnt have done this.

By not much time, do you mean literally zero minutes? That's what it would take to be oblivious to this for years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 20, 2012, 10:15:12 AM
I don't think he's racist.  I think it proves just how inept and careless he is like every other politician.  His fans like to put him above the fray fighting against the average politician and meaning/caring about what he says but he doesn't care enough to check what's printed under his banner.  And that's just assuming he actually didn't know what was they were printing.  He's a douchebag either way then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
I wonder if Newt thinks the allegations against Cain were despicable. Newt thinks his past is off limits but rips other people's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
Still though he was a doctor during that period i think he jsut didnt have much time to read through his own newsletters.

By his own admission, he got every issue of the newsletter and read it front to back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 20, 2012, 11:54:52 AM
Please Lord Jesus, let Obama "run" against Gingrich in the fall
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on January 20, 2012, 03:33:29 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2012, 08:39:43 AM
Still though he was a doctor during that period i think he jsut didnt have much time to read through his own newsletters.

By his own admission, he got every issue of the newsletter and read it front to back.

Huh, i dont remember any interview he has said that.  He said he read them 10 years(or more) after they were printed and he said that he hasnt read them all still.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 04:06:36 PM
Microsoft comes out in favor of Washington's same sex marriage legislation from an interesting business perspective
http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2012/01/19/marriage-equality-in-washington-state-would-be-good-for-business.aspx
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2012, 04:07:33 PM
"oh yeah, i self-publish my own newsletters under my own name.  i've been doing it for years!"
"really?  what are they about?"
"fuck if i know; i don't read the damn things"

riiiiiiiiiight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 04:18:07 PM
If anything Ron Paul is just an old white dude with some weird reservations about race, gays, etc. That doesn't make him racist. We know he knew about the newsletters when they were making multiple ridiculous statements, and he did nothing about them. To me this strikes me as Paul playing towards the racist aspects of the far right libertarian types; obviously not all libertarians are racist, but many white nationalists are libertarians and support Paul. It's an issue of him tolerating bigoted literature in order to gain support and donations, which speaks to the man's character (or lack thereof) but doesn't compel me to declare he's a racist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 20, 2012, 04:24:38 PM
I just think it speaks poorly that the man doesn't care about or manage what is printed in his newsletter.  You have to be a jackass of epic proportions to be a politician and letting someone write all sorts of crazy shit under your newsletter.

Why are we arguing about this anyways?  Ron Paul doesn't matter.  His batshit crazy ideas and the libertarian fad will be dead when the economy recovers and idiots that support this shit go back under the rock they came from or just stop pretending to care.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
Technically it'll never die, and is getting more popular within the republican party. Plus Paul has quite the fail safe with his "bubbles and busts" argument. So when things are going good libertarians get to whine about the inevitable doom, and when things are going bad they get to say "I told you so!"

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 20, 2012, 04:26:44 PM
Ron Paul and his supporters are like those morons who went around saying the world was going to end last year and after it didn't no one cared and they faded into obscurity.  When America eventually recovers from the recession completely and we don't go bankrupt and the UN doesn't control the USD then people will laugh and say "Remember that idiot Ron Paul?  lol Those fucking people were crazy"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 20, 2012, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
Technically it'll never die, and is getting more popular within the republican party. Plus Paul has quite the fail safe with his "bubbles and busts" argument. So when things are going good libertarians get to whine about the inevitable doom, and when things are going bad they get to say "I told you so!"
I don't see it being a permanent change to the Republican party.  A group of crazies have been voted in by crazy constituents but to move further than that the old Republican guard will have to give in completely (not gonna happen) and half of America will have to buy their nonsense.  By the time the next bust comes the short term political memory of Americans will have wiped Ron Paul and the rest of the Tea Party movement from their minds.  Not to mention I don't think many people are very happy with the Tea Party fucks that got voted in during the 2010 election.  They seem to be getting hammered in the polls just like establishment Democrats and Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 04:45:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcbG7wLWthE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo8nLMCLT60
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2012, 06:07:51 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 20, 2012, 04:24:38 PM

Why are we arguing about this anyways?  Ron Paul doesn't matter. 

i was going to keep arguing, but then i remembered this. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 20, 2012, 06:35:55 PM
Quote from: The Business on January 20, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
I know how this sounds rhetorically, but besides the letters with his name on them, from what I can find, there has been no other evidence that he is racist or a white supremacists sympathizer, or anything of the sort. You would think there would be other publications or videos where he expresses the same views. He doesn't. All the "exposes" that have been put on the internet recently about it with videos supposedly damning him are just videos from the mid 90s where he mentions the letters and says he puts them out.

The "Ron Paul is a racist" crowd are basically the same as Obama's birthers in my eyes. I mean, I can understand why people would be quick to believe it and repeat it, because they don't like him and it discredits him. But it makes you look just a little bit dumb and lazy. :\

You don't have to think he's racist to be against sweeping these under the rug. They indicate one of two things to me: he is willing to leverage the influence of racists to get himself donations or popular support, or he is a fucking idiot who can't manage a newsletter. Either way, not my kind of guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/20/1056701/-Atlanta-Newspaper-Editor-Suggests-Assassinating-Obama-to-Preserve-Israels-Existence?via=siderec
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2012, 07:32:43 PM
Well, that seems like a sensible thing to write.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 20, 2012, 09:10:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_99bERg0o1U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXyHBIeEK4s
Title: This is some Day Of The Jackal shit right here.
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/20/1056701/-Atlanta-Newspaper-Editor-Suggests-Assassinating-Obama-to-Preserve-Israels-Existence?via=siderec

Wonder what that guy thinks of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, which was carried out on basically the same reasoning.  Actually, I'd rather not know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 10:57:13 PM
Are you suggesting Israel/Mossad assassinated Rabin, or that the lone gunman did it using the reasoning found within that article (protecting Israel)?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
The second.

On that same note, Ghandi was killed by a hardline nationalist who thought he was being weak on Pakistan, IIRC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 20, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 07:20:49 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/20/1056701/-Atlanta-Newspaper-Editor-Suggests-Assassinating-Obama-to-Preserve-Israels-Existence?via=siderec

What baffles me here, is that, based on the Gawker interview, the man is clearly "not-distinguished mentally-challenged" enough to realize how badly he fucked up, but distinguished mentally-challenged enough to write that shit in the first place.  How does that happen?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2012, 11:28:34 PM
Perhaps he wrote it to provide a shield and make himself a martyr for an opinion many people allegedly have. He died for their sins, so to speak
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2012, 03:05:43 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/20/newt-gingrichs-three-marriages-mean-might-make-strong-president-really/
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I want to be coldly analytical, not moralize, here. I want to tell you what Mr. Gingrich’s behavior could mean for the country, not for the future of his current marriage. So, here’s what one interested in making America stronger can reasonably conclude—psychologically—from Mr. Gingrich’s behavior during his three marriages:

1) Three women have met Mr. Gingrich and been so moved by his emotional energy and intellect that they decided they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with him.

2) Two of these women felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married.

3 ) One of them felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married for the second time, was not exactly her equal in the looks department and had a wife (Marianne) who wanted to make his life without her as painful as possible.

Conclusion: When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we’ll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we’ll want to let him go after one.

4) Two women—Mr. Gingrich’s first two wives—have sat down with him while he delivered to them incredibly painful truths: that he no longer loved them as he did before, that he had fallen in love with other women and that he needed to follow his heart, despite the great price he would pay financially and the risk he would be taking with his reputation.

Conclusion: I can only hope Mr. Gingrich will be as direct and unsparing with the Congress, the American people and our allies. If this nation must now move with conviction in the direction of its heart, Newt Gingrich is obviously no stranger to that journey.

5) Mr. Gingrich’s daughters from his first marriage are among his most vigorous supporters. They obviously adore him and respect him and feel grateful for the kind of father he was.

When I want to know who in a marriage (or, for that matter, a series of marriages) is the one who actually was aligned with their best interests, I never dismiss evidence of who the children gravitate toward and admire. In this case, they have judged the father who left their family, then remarried twice. And they judge him 10 out of 10. I only hope my own children love me and respect me as much when they are adults.

So, as far as I can tell, judging from the psychological data, we have only one real risk to America from his marital history if Newt Gingrich were to become president: We would need to worry that another nation, perhaps a little younger than ours, would be so taken by Mr. Gingrich that it would seduce him into marrying it and becoming its president. And I think that is exceedingly unlikely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on January 21, 2012, 07:03:44 AM
Quote
Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team.

 :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2012, 10:26:23 AM
hahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on January 21, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/CVFb0.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 21, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
Soooo MSNBC is projecting Newt Gingrich as the winner in South Carolina.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/CVFb0.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2012, 07:47:05 PM
Quote
According to the exit polls, Mitt Romney lost all income levels with the exception of those making over $200,000 a year.

herp a derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2012, 08:07:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2012, 07:47:05 PM
Quote
According to the exit polls, Mitt Romney lost all income levels with the exception of those making over $200,000 a year.

herp a derp

rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 21, 2012, 09:26:07 PM
Holy shit, the Newtster won! :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2012, 09:56:34 PM
I knew South Carolina wouldn't let me down.  ;)

The dude who wins the South Carolina primary has historically always gotten the nomination. Please let this tradition continue.  :hyper :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
So can Newt carry this momentum into Florida or will TEH ELITES destroy his campaign first
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 21, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/30549/pourmecoffee_tweet1.jpg)
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/30549/kaili_tweet1.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2012, 10:30:20 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/151025/Screen_Shot_2012-01-21_at_6.04.45_PM.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2012, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2012, 10:30:20 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/151025/Screen_Shot_2012-01-21_at_6.04.45_PM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/icmZe.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 22, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/status/161265470224351234

Oh dear god, YES.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 23, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
(http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20162ffff38d3970d-550wi)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 23, 2012, 02:47:28 PM
Washington State Gay Marriage Bill Hearing is on right now:

http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=2012010157
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 23, 2012, 03:12:26 PM
25th vote for gay marriage equality has been secured. It will now pass.

And then we'll get to vote on it in the fall. You know it's coming.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
RIP Washington, your state and hetero marriages are doomed

I really wish that during the Iowa caucus/debates/etc, someone would have asked the GOP candidates if Iowa was a worse state than it was 4-6 years ago before gay marriage came into effect, and in what specific ways could it be measured.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 23, 2012, 03:21:51 PM
Yep, clearly my marriage has been dissolved. I should probably let my wife know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
I really wish that during the Iowa caucus/debates/etc, someone would have asked the GOP candidates if Iowa was a worse state than it was 4-6 years ago before gay marriage came into effect, and in what specific ways could it be measured.

Ron Paul got over 20% of the vote, what more evidence do you need?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on January 23, 2012, 05:22:08 PM
Ron Paul Supporter Likes The Way Paul Tells It Like It Has No Chance Of Being
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ron-paul-supporter-likes-the-way-paul-tells-it-lik,27138/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2012, 05:51:38 PM
http://www.tomwoods.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/397217_10150507063803526_735863525_8921777_1101330132_n1.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 23, 2012, 06:30:14 PM
Just got home from work and watching the gay marriage hearings down in Olympia. The religious crazies and consitutionalists are out in full force. I'm sorry, but you can't hide behind your religion when you're openly discriminating against people.

Thankfully, there are also many religious individuals down there in support of marriage equality. Lots of rabbis, pastors and family members who want this to pass so everyone is treated equally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2012, 08:31:34 PM
Quote
A new poll out from Public Policy Polling (D) shows former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with a five point lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney as the two men prepare to battle it out Monday night in Tampa at the NBC debate. Gingrich gets 38 percent in the new survey to Romney’s 33 percent, with former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum receiving 13 percent and Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) getting 10.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4570
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on January 23, 2012, 10:40:42 PM
Does America really want six 3-hour long Lincoln-Douglas style debates this badly?  I feel like Romney should start focusing his campaign on how punishing that much debate time would actually be on the average American attention span.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 24, 2012, 12:25:51 AM
This is what America wants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdao-yNAIA

f'realz, if Obama was more like Camacho he could easily be Prez 4 Lyfe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2012, 02:17:33 AM
Quote
Mitt Romney paid a 13.9 percent tax rate on $21.6 million in income last year.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/mitt-romney-paid-a-139-effective-tax-rate-in-2010.php?ref=fpblg
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 24, 2012, 01:27:50 PM
well, that's clearly fair, we don't want to punish success after all. :smug

anybody catch the debate last night?  Sounds like Newt kinda muffed it, but there's another one on Thursday that will give him a chance to beat up on whomever is asking the questions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
I love the way Newt just skates around any question he doesn't want to answer by getting irate at the person who asked it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 24, 2012, 05:17:15 PM
Yeah, hardly anyone said that Newt came out of this looking good. Not so much that he "lost", but it was clear he didn't perform as well as the previous debates.

Of course, this is part of the reasons why I said that Newt's overrated as fuck when it comes to his reputation as a great debater. Without hearing the cheering and hollering of a bloodthirsty audience, Newt himself was Newt-ered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 24, 2012, 09:08:35 PM
Well, it's time for the SOTU, which means Cheebs will no doubt be watching and probably doing the wave like a good fanboy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2012, 09:14:07 PM
Obama starting the speech out with his kill count  :american :american :american

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2012, 09:59:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-begins-state-of-the-union-by-asking-congress,27159/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on January 24, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
my mom just clapped and cheered for obama.

was the address that good? more nicely dressed words and false promises?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2012, 10:27:28 PM
Felt like more of a grand policy speech than previous SOTU addresses. A lot of the pre-speech tidbits focused on the testy parts of the speech, but overall this could have easily been given by a republican president. Lots of tax cuts, lots of ending regulations, sabre rattling Iran.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
Best part of the speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWEyJjNX4gA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 25, 2012, 12:31:33 AM
I thought it was a good speech. You saw more of that election campaign swagger back in Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 25, 2012, 03:15:10 AM
Andrew Sullivan was horrified that Obama pandered by proposing a bunch of populist programs and didn't propose dickpunching the poor and what's left of the middle class with some good ol' fashioned austerity.  Because, you know, the thing to do in an election year is tell everyone that they have to pay more because it makes crazy British people erect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 25, 2012, 05:40:01 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 24, 2012, 09:08:35 PM
Well, it's time for the SOTU, which means Cheebs will no doubt be watching and probably doing the wave like a good fanboy.
Eh? I been pretty critical of Obama the last few years. He has far from lived up to his potential.


As for the SOTU, pretty solid. Probably his best of the ones he has given so far. Mitch Daniels.  :-\ I don't get why anyone agrees to do those rebuttals. It's impossible to come off good in them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 25, 2012, 08:23:50 AM
THe rebuttals are awkwardly hilarious. They basically say that Obama just wasted an hour and a half of your time because the 'loyal opposition' isn't going to have any of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cheebo on January 25, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
If I remember the Dem ones that always were after Bush were just as awkward. I don't get the point of it in all honesty. There is no way for the opposition to come off well compared to a SOTU.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2012, 10:24:19 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/politics/2012/01/24/sotu-obama-osama-bin-laden.cnn
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President Barack Obama says Osama bin Laden is not a threat to the U.S. during his State of the Union address.

Breaking news! :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 25, 2012, 11:03:18 AM
I always liked Jim Webb's response in 2007.  Granted he was rebutting Bush and it was pretty much after the country had collectively decided "wtf were we thinking" but yeah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjZ_pVR1mbk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVgD2srqog
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 25, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
Obama's support cratering among Latino popula- WAIT SHIT IT'S THE SAME AS IN 2008 (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/4685)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 25, 2012, 01:18:32 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 25, 2012, 03:15:10 AM
Andrew Sullivan was horrified that Obama pandered by proposing a bunch of populist programs and didn't propose dickpunching the poor and what's left of the middle class with some good ol' fashioned austerity.  Because, you know, the thing to do in an election year is tell everyone that they have to pay more because it makes crazy British people erect.

yeah, he's really  lost his shit completely - about 72 hours ago he decided that America needs comprehensive tax code reform and that should be Obama's primary message. Obama didn't get on board immediately, therefore ... Nobama? Kinda out-of-character for a guy so recently patting himself on the back for taking the long view.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2012, 01:20:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8gc-3JCOl4
http://news.yahoo.com/us-military-raid-somalia-frees-american-dane-063438091.html

When I saw that last night I figured it must have been a raid or something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 25, 2012, 03:23:36 PM
Quote
Castro said he always assumed the candidates would try to outdo each other on the issue of Cuba, but that he was nonetheless appalled by the level of debate.

"The selection of a Republican candidate for the presidency of this globalized and expansive empire is – and I mean this seriously – the greatest competition of idiocy and ignorance that has ever been," said the retired Cuban leader, who has dueled with 11 U.S. administrations since his 1959 revolution

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/fidel-castro-republican-race_n_1230930.html

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2012, 06:49:40 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/status/162189818032431104

:O
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 25, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
"What we've seen in 20 individual House district polls reinforces national numbers- Dems have a real chance at regaining majority"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 25, 2012, 07:59:39 PM
Too early to tell.  The polls mean jack and shit at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2012, 08:18:45 PM
Too much stuff can happen in the next few months, from the Eurozone shit to gas prices to scandals etc. The only definitive way dems re-take the house is if Gingrich is the nominee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2012, 12:27:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBC4-IMbsBM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 26, 2012, 01:39:16 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on January 25, 2012, 10:24:19 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/politics/2012/01/24/sotu-obama-osama-bin-laden.cnn
Quote
President Barack Obama says Osama bin Laden is not a threat to the U.S. during his State of the Union address.

Breaking news! :omg

So Obama is basically saying 9/11 never happened? All those people that died on that day are nothing to him?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 26, 2012, 01:56:37 AM
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East Haven Mayor Joseph Maturo is facing heavy criticism for controversial comments made after four police officers were charged for using excessive force against undocumented immigrants and covering up abuses.

In a broadcast interview, New York City-based WPIX reporter Mario Diaz asked Maturo: "What are you going to do for the Latino community today?" And with one hand on his hip Maturo quite proudly responded: "I might have tacos when I go home, I'm not quite sure yet."

You can't make this stuff up.

Diaz even gives Maturo a chance to redeem himself, by saying, "You realize that isn't the comment to say right now, right?"

That's when the interview got a bit, shall we say, ugly, and continued for about another four minutes.

Maturo added: "When you ask me what I would do for Latinos, I may go out and have a Latino dinner in the Latino community. There's nothing wrong with that and you can twist it and turn it whichever way the press decides to do!"

According to Diaz's report, Maturo approached him and apologized for his remarks.

The Latino community in East Haven, according to the Census, make up 10.3% of the town's population.

Yet out of a police force of 50, only one speaks Spanish, and government officials, along with one community resident, informed PIX 11 that he is not even Latino.

Police treatment of Hispanics in East Haven, has been under federal scrutiny since 2009, when the U.S. Department of Justice launched a civil rights probe that found a pattern of discrimination and biased policing.

This morning, Governor Dannel Malloy released a public statement regarding East Haven Mayor Joseph Maturo's "racially insensitive comments" calling them "repugnant" and "unacceptable."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 26, 2012, 06:43:22 AM
https://twitter.com/gingrichideas

(http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/a/4/newt.001.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 26, 2012, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 26, 2012, 01:39:16 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on January 25, 2012, 10:24:19 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c2#/video/politics/2012/01/24/sotu-obama-osama-bin-laden.cnn
Quote
President Barack Obama says Osama bin Laden is not a threat to the U.S. during his State of the Union address.

Breaking news! :omg

So Obama is basically saying 9/11 never happened? All those people that died on that day are nothing to him?

I think what he means is that we have nothing to fear from his rotting, zombie corpse coming back to seek revenge on us, which is clearly short-sighted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
Everytime Romney defends the MA healthcare law it sounds like he's defending Obama's

"private insurance! group insurance!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 26, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
 :maf First of all, not worth getting angry about  :maf Romney says to himself out loud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2012, 10:19:42 PM
I only saw the second half of the debate but Romney looked very different. I heard he recently got a new debate coach, who used to work with Michelle Bachmann of all people. He was sharp and just boxed Gingrich effortlessly.

Personally I don't think Obama is some great debater; he certainly didn't out-do Clinton by any large measurement, and benefited from a laughably weak opponent in McCain later. The general election debates will this time have two competent looking contestants for people (and the media) to critique
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 27, 2012, 02:27:24 PM
Newt is such a despicable fellow but damn, that Moonbase idea is fucking AWESOME.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 27, 2012, 03:43:39 PM
The moonbase was pandering to people in an area that is now mired in uncertainty and pessimism due to the recent changes in NASA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2012, 07:57:42 PM
Not a big space guy but whatevs, go for it. That being said on one hand Newt has been fascinated by space exploration for decades, on the other he's pandering to Florida voters. He's smart enough to know his idea isn't feasible alongside never ending wars, his interest in attacking Iran, etc

I wonder what Newt and the rest of the candidate's position on NASA would be if Obama was increasing the funding yearly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 27, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
Gingrich got beaten by Romney of all people. :lol

Hopefully this'll show the tea baggers that speaking in complete sentences while simultaneously being an apparent asshole doesn't make you a genius (outside the Bible Belt anyway).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Quote
Romney’s argument is that even though he pays only 13.9%, he’s really paying something like 45% to 50% because the investment income he lives on comes from corporations. And those corporates also pay taxes. The nominal corporate tax rate is 35%, though of course many pay much lower. But if you add Romney’s rate together with this completely unrelated corporate tax he doesn’t pay, you get 50%, which Romney is now saying is real tax rate. In other words, he’s claiming he pays both taxes.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/01/romney_actually_i_kind_of_pay_50_tax.php?ref=fpblg

This is amazing. Wow  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2012, 12:53:43 AM
Corporations are people too, my friend!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 28, 2012, 09:53:00 AM
Romney should stop trying to be Joe Sixpack and instead play up the fact that he is the most sane candidate still in the primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2012, 03:26:15 PM
Ron Paul was aware of and edited/proofread newsletters, The Experiment vindicated: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ron-paul-signed-off-on-racist-newsletters-sources-say/2012/01/20/gIQAvblFVQ_story.html

I think there are some interesting questions here about how activists can choose to build a coalition (do you weed out the assholes for respectability, or do you keep any ally you can?) but that's getting drowned out by the usual binary way of talking about racism, plus the Ron Paul personality cult.  Either way, Glenn Greenwald's choice of Paul as a cudgel to beat mainstream liberals with is looking pretty silly now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2012, 03:43:47 PM
Everyone except Paulettes knew it. It's was the 90's, there was no Internet yet and only nutjobs read newletters anyway, so he figured he could get away with it as long as the nutjobs were paying the bills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2012, 03:52:57 PM
Just because Paul recognized and capitalized on the direction of free market bigotry doesn't mean he agrees with it!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 29, 2012, 07:52:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyFaWhygzjQ  :wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 29, 2012, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Quote
Romney’s argument is that even though he pays only 13.9%, he’s really paying something like 45% to 50% because the investment income he lives on comes from corporations. And those corporates also pay taxes. The nominal corporate tax rate is 35%, though of course many pay much lower. But if you add Romney’s rate together with this completely unrelated corporate tax he doesn’t pay, you get 50%, which Romney is now saying is real tax rate. In other words, he’s claiming he pays both taxes.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/01/romney_actually_i_kind_of_pay_50_tax.php?ref=fpblg

This is amazing. Wow  :lol

i think we need a math test for the presidency
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 29, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 29, 2012, 07:52:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyFaWhygzjQ  :wtf :wtf :wtf :wtf

The absolute best part of that ad is that Newt spent six months in Brussels in 1970 working on his dissertation, and cited French-language sources in his paper, so he presumably has a damn good grasp of French himself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 30, 2012, 12:35:30 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 29, 2012, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2012, 12:37:25 AM
Quote
Romney’s argument is that even though he pays only 13.9%, he’s really paying something like 45% to 50% because the investment income he lives on comes from corporations. And those corporates also pay taxes. The nominal corporate tax rate is 35%, though of course many pay much lower. But if you add Romney’s rate together with this completely unrelated corporate tax he doesn’t pay, you get 50%, which Romney is now saying is real tax rate. In other words, he’s claiming he pays both taxes.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/01/romney_actually_i_kind_of_pay_50_tax.php?ref=fpblg

This is amazing. Wow  :lol

i think we need a math test for the presidency

Only stuck up elites bother to learn such fancy subjects like arithmetic.

REAL 'Murricans aren't afraid to answer math equations with COLORS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 30, 2012, 10:37:50 AM
Sounds about right for the mentality of Paul supporters
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 30, 2012, 10:38:29 AM
Quote
"He's just like this down-to-earth dude who just seems like he knows what he's doing," seventh-grader Danielle Heidkamp said.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 30, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
to be fair, Ross Perot easily walked away with the win in my grade school 92 mock election.

which is why we don't give children the right to vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2012, 01:02:17 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 30, 2012, 11:56:33 AM
to be fair, Ross Perot easily walked away with the win in my grade school 92 mock election.

which is why we don't give children the right to vote.

The Grandpa Effect
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 30, 2012, 03:30:11 PM
Paul: "Under my Presidency your school will closed ALL THE TIME and the big bad gov't will never, ever make you do schoolwork AT ALL"

Kids: "YAAAAAAAY!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2012, 07:21:46 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on January 30, 2012, 03:30:11 PM
Paul: "Under my Presidency your school will closed ALL THE TIME and the big bad gov't will never, ever make you do schoolwork AT ALL"

Kids: "YAAAAAAAY!"

If you want a school, you have to spent your own money to build one. No more of this nanny state bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/newt-gingrich-robocall-mitt-romney_n_1244284.html?ref=politics

wat  ??? :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2012, 01:26:45 PM
Gingrinch is getting desperate, he's running out of Newtmentum in Florida.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 31, 2012, 09:17:11 PM
Axelrod's twitter feed is rapidly becoming one of my favorites.  Exhibit A:

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/axelrod-tweet.jpg)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2012, 09:41:07 PM
Odds on a republican or Fox personality bringing up Obama vouching for Michael Vick being rehabilitated?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2012, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: Spencer on January 31, 2012, 09:44:52 PM
What am I missing about that picture? All I see is a dude with his dog

context/comparison:
Quote
Newt Gingrich gave the Republican presidential front-runner a little nip in the leg on Sunday, reminding voters of an incident from the 1980s when Mitt Romney tied his dog in a kennel to the roof of his car and drove to Canada.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/16/us-usa-campaign-dog-idUSTRE80F04S20120116
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2012, 10:03:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Tsr7rz9Og
Quote
A 14-year-old girl celebrated her birthday with the Maryland’s Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee this afternoon and told lawmakers that it “would be the best birthday present ever if you would vote no on gay marriage.” “I really feel bad for the kids who have two parents of the same gender,” she said, “they have no idea what kind of wonderful experiences they miss out on.” “People have the choice to be gay, but I don’t want to be affected by their choice. People say they were just born that way, but I’ve met really nice adults who did change.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2012, 10:06:29 PM
not a fan of kidz giving political statements/used as props
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 31, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
Looks like Mitt won Florida

Mitt Romney   768,188   46.4%   Winner
Newt Gingrich   529,123   31.9%   
Rick Santorum   221,407   13.4%   
Ron Paul   116,239   7.0%   
Others   21,474   1.3%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/primary-tracker/Florida/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2012, 10:48:21 PM
I think 14 is old enough to get involved in activism.  It's certainly an age where we're already encouraging kids to think of civics; my freshman English class was assigned to write a letter to the White House on an issue of our choosing.

Of course it'd be nice if she weren't being raised to be a bigot, butwhatcanyado?

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Figures she's from Bowie.  Nothing worthwhile there.  Used to be a bowling alley which was notoriously bad.  If you joined a league using an average from Bowie, they'd prorate you because the scores there were so low.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 01, 2012, 01:07:15 AM
Turnout down double digits
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2012, 01:38:49 AM
Newt's victory speech was certainly better than Romney's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 03:41:32 AM
Another state, another case of turnout being lower than in 2008. That's not to say republicans are fucked in November, far from it. But it's interesting how deflated they are over this crop of shit candidates.

In hindsight 2008 was quite the star studded affair. Clinton and Obama obviously trump everyone else, but let's not forget McCain and Gulianni (and Huckabee)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 01, 2012, 05:30:39 AM
08 and 92 were probably the best campaign seasons I have followed.  2016 should be really good again. It will be wide open on both sides.





Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 09:30:31 AM
Well, it's not like they vote or will vote for him in numbers he's personally calculated during a "sleep" cycle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2012, 09:41:53 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/romney-im-not-concerned-with-the-very-poor/2012/02/01/gIQAvajShQ_blog.html

Oh, Mittens....


edit: goddamn it, Business! I'll get you yet! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2012, 10:19:02 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 11:02:31 AM
I really hate the "blame the deficit/economy" stupidity game but how can you grant Obama credit for "cuts" (or blame him for spending) through 2017?!?

What if he loses this year and Romney jacks up defense spending by 4000%?

What if he WINS and gets 67 Senate seats and 300 House seats (work with me here) and they pass $300 trillion over five years in universal health care and free PhD's for everyone?

Unless Ron Paul somehow wins (and even then) does anyone actually expect there to not be a deficit come 2017? We haven't had a "true" surplus since 1957 ffs.

Hell, the Bush Administration projected IN 2007 major surpluses for the next fucking decade. Then we had the recession and TARP and the multiple "stimuluses" and it was all gone in less than a year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2012, 11:16:48 AM
Even more than that I hate the fear mongering that goes on about the deficit and debt.  There's a group of citizens/politicians who act like if it doesn't get fixed this year we will be bankrupt or a third world country by 2013/2014.  Ron Paul believes in the free market so much well hey, the free market is saying that in ten years they believe we'll still be fine and dandy.  The deficit and debt are a problem, but it's not at a critical state right now and it's obnoxious when people try to pretend that it is to further their own political ideologies instead of actually solve problems.  But I shouldn't be surprised I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on February 01, 2012, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2012, 10:48:21 PM
I think 14 is old enough to get involved in activism.  It's certainly an age where we're already encouraging kids to think of civics; my freshman English class was assigned to write a letter to the White House on an issue of our choosing.

Of course it'd be nice if she weren't being raised to be a bigot, butwhatcanyado?

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Figures she's from Bowie.  Nothing worthwhile there.  Used to be a bowling alley which was notoriously bad.  If you joined a league using an average from Bowie, they'd prorate you because the scores there were so low.
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There's a DuClaw Brewery in Bowie... :drool

I was sent to work-related training a few years back in Landover/Bowie... now Landover, there's a shitty area with nothing there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
I disagree in one respect because I'm effectively a filthy libertarian and I think the debt is a massive problem and that we, along with Europe, are going to suffer for it stagflation style over the next 10-20 years in the best case scenario.

But the Republicans are at best 20% actual concern over the deficit/debt, 80% trying to tap into the Perot voter who "stole" 1992 from them yet won 1994 over the budget they never balanced. (And then Bush raised non-defense spending 60+%.)

Though thinking about it I guess this puts me in that "Perot voter" category as I just hate this entire trying to say ohh it's Obama's STIMULUS AND OBAMACARE or NOO IT'S BUSH MEDICARE PART D AND IRAQ when both of them are pikers and it's been decades of this shit from Presidents and Congresses from both parties. And we've had the Reagan deficit panel, Gore had "reinventing government", Bush had some budget panels, Obama has had at least two or three, all of them ignored. Hell we can go back to the last of however many Hoover Committees that just shuffled bureaus around.

Politics is just stupid. But it "works."*

*This has been someone with a Masters in Poli Sci states the obvious.


....

To provide something someone might actually enjoy, here's Gingrich's hilarious speech from last night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=254QPl5Ez7w

What it doesn't have is Bret Baier immediately after saying something like "Although the Gingrich campaign says '46 states to go', he will not be on the Virginia or Missouri ballots."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2012, 11:57:15 AM
The debt problem isn't so much the politicians fault either, but it's the average American's fault.  They kill whoever tries to make the real changes to the system. 

And like I said, it is a problem but it's not so much one that we should destroy our small recovery's momentum by hiking taxes and gutting programs that people are relying on just to get by right now.  It's not so urgent that we can't wait for some stability.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 12:00:44 PM
why is the debt a massive problem again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 12:01:23 PM
You're right, I was falling into the "politicians must solve all our problems" trap.

It's actually probably not even as deep as "kill whoever tries to make the real changes to the system" when you look at how Congress struggles to crack 20% in approval but more than half are constantly re-elected. It's all those other jerks, not my Congressman!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 12:01:23 PM
You're right, I was falling into the "politicians must solve all our problems" trap.

It's actually probably not even as deep as "kill whoever tries to make the real changes to the system" when you look at how Congress struggles to crack 20% in approval but more than half are constantly re-elected. It's all those other jerks, not my Congressman!
True.  They want everyone else to change.  I live in a district in Texas where I cannot stand my representatives but they gets reelected every year.  But hey, this is Texas and I'm not a neocon or libertarian so I don't fit in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 12:10:04 PM
I'm not saying massive debt is a good thing, but the best course of action would be to spend more money and further stimulate the recovery right now. There's no logical reason for why we aren't rebuilding infrastructure right now, on a large scale.

in terms of overall debt, it pretty much fixes itself if congress does nothing - ie let the Bush tax cuts expire and draw down the wars. Some argue this isn't the time to raise taxes on people though, so the Bush tax cuts won't go anywhere for awhile; the CBO just reported that they'll cost 3 trillion dollars from now until 2021.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on February 01, 2012, 12:05:46 PM
True.  They want everyone else to change.  I live in a district in Texas where I cannot stand my representatives but they gets reelected every year.  But hey, this is Texas and I'm not a neocon or libertarian so I don't fit in.
Well, even in a place like Texas you'll have situations where the districts make it impossible for anyone to challenge. And it's not unheard of to have say a +10 Dem district that votes a Republican into office again and again because he's been a Congressman (or Senator) for 20 years.

My Congressman seems to be a nice enough guy the two times I met him and I'd never vote for him, but his district is drawn so it cuts across three Democratic counties so he gets all the Republicans in those counties. (And the Dems are all thrown into basically 50-50 districts.)

The ballot access laws are really rigged against actual third parties. Along with the campaign finance, gerrymandering, etc. It's one reason I try to encourage people at least here in Michigan to vote third party for the highest race on the ballot. Every vote they get counts towards their future ballot status. Last time I voted I did so for the Constitution Party (U.S. Taxpayers Party) because they were the only one who were not guaranteed ballot status for the next election. I can't speak to other states, but it's one way to have your vote count in Michigan.

It's futile of course, but small victories.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 12:00:44 PM
why is the debt a massive problem again?
Not to get into a whole massive debate, but basically it devalues everything.

The one comfort I have is that the American economy is so large, and everyone so much worse and dependent that we can still make a soft landing. Doesn't mean I enjoy the current debt or the future debt that looks insane.

But again I'm in that libertarian/Austrian/Hayek/etc. camp, so feel free to just ignore.

Oops, sorry PD, was writing this post while you made yours:
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 12:10:04 PM
in terms of overall debt, it pretty much fixes itself if congress does nothing - ie let the Bush tax cuts expire and draw down the wars. Some argue this isn't the time to raise taxes on people though, so the Bush tax cuts won't go anywhere for awhile; the CBO just reported that they'll cost 3 trillion dollars from now until 2021.
Actually the debt can't be addressed by rolling back the Bush tax cuts. Even if we confiscated all the income in the country we couldn't cover the outstanding debt. The debt from Medicare alone is estimated between $40-100 trillion. And that's in a best case scenario.

I think we can do a lot to push that debt farther down the road, even without raising taxes too much or substantially cutting programs, but I simply don't see the political will for it.

(If you meant the deficit, ignore this comment. For five years or so.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2012, 12:48:41 PM
I think he meant deficit.  Even if we keep a low deficit for a while the outstanding debt we currently have will shrink at some point.  And I don't think anyone believes we can keep Medicare as it is.  But the outrageous Medicare costs are so closely tied to how fucked our healthcare system is that we need to reform both to fix it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 12:54:44 PM
Yeah, but even the Tea Party is KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!

That's going to be a hell of a nut to crack.

I mean this was decades ago now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TboXsOuMQGU
And there's going to be gobs more of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 01, 2012, 01:16:52 PM
If Libertarians believe in the in the all powerful free market so much, how do they square their gov't deficit/debt bogeyman with the fact that the price of US bonds are at historic highs?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
I mean the deficit, which can be handled by getting rid of the Bush tax cuts and the Iraq/Afghanistan drawdowns
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 01:39:11 PM
I mean the deficit, which can be handled by getting rid of the Bush tax cuts and the Iraq/Afghanistan drawdowns
I figured you did, but I don't think even either of those do so. I know the Bush Tax Cuts don't if you only do the top two brackets, unsure about if you repeal all of them. (Which will result in a 50% tax increase on the lowest bracket.)
Quote from: Mamacint on February 01, 2012, 01:16:52 PM
If Libertarians believe in the in the all powerful free market so much, how do they square their gov't deficit/debt bogeyman with the fact that the price of US bonds are at historic highs?
Least bad of terrible options? QEx being just another bubble sustaining foolish endeavor?

And we don't "believe in the all powerful free market" it's just we consider it...the least bad of terrible options. Better that everyone on the planet make multiple decisions for themselves than some small elite group make a few decisions for everyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
And we don't "believe in the all powerful free market" it's just we consider it...the least bad of two options. Better that everyone on the planet make multiple decisions for themselves than some small elite group make a few decisions for everyone.

Forgive the snark, but this seems to be more accurate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 03:24:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 01, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
Forgive the snark, but this seems to be more accurate.
Could you elaborate with a sentence or two? I don't want to go down the wrong path and miss your point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2012, 03:41:39 PM
I think he's saying that you're only looking at two extreme options.  a society where there are a rich few powerful and one where the "free market" decides what goes down when there's a sea of options in between the two.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2012, 03:47:40 PM
When you discuss economic systems, you tend to frame it as a binary choice: free markets (good) or centralized command economies (bad) and to the degree that there other options, they simply lie on a continuum between the two (getting worse as there's more state involvement).

That implies that all (or almost all) aspects of the system should be given over to unregulated private markets, which as policy is indistinguishable from JayDubya's faith-based approach.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 05:35:09 PM
Even conservatives aren't happy with the Romney gaffe
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/conservatives-arent-happy-with-romneys-very-poor-quote-either.php?ref=fpa

Taken in context, it struck me as a typical modern republican tenet, just worded horribly. The rich have help, the poor have help, it's the middle class that needs help, blah blah blah. The problem I had with it was that Romney's policies actively attempt to dismantle the security networks for the poor - which also happens to be used by the middle classic btw.

This guy is a riot. If the economy wasn't such a question mark he'd be marching towards a beatdown in November.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2012, 06:45:35 PM
Well, we already know which "people" Romney is most concerned about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
If corporations are people, why can't they be sent to jail?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 01, 2012, 07:15:46 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
If corporations are people, why can't they be sent to jail?

Or better yet, executed?  :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 01, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
Or speak?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
Washington state senate votes on the gay marriage bill tonight at 6pm. If it passes, it just needs the governor's signature, and she's in support of the bill.

http://tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=2012020049

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 01, 2012, 08:44:46 PM
 :elephant :supergay :elephant

woot!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2012, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
Washington state senate votes on the gay marriage bill tonight at 6pm. If it passes, it just needs the governor's signature, and she's in support of the bill.

http://tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=2012020049

:rock

Congratulations, you just put Newt's marriage in (further) jeopardy.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 09:00:46 PM
Shit, my marriage will explode in a little bit, too!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 01, 2012, 09:11:16 PM
One step closer to marrying my toaster.  DON'T JUDGE OUR LOVE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2012, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 01, 2012, 07:39:50 PM
Or speak?

Money is speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOhE5e6p9Q4

matthews going full blown comrade :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 01, 2012, 11:17:53 PM
Passed the Washington State Senate tonight 28 to 21. It now goes to the House where it will easily pass, and then on to the Governor, who has already said she will sign it into law.

HOW AWESOME IS THIS? SO FUCKING AWESOME.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 02, 2012, 01:28:54 AM
:bow Washington :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 02, 2012, 11:12:45 AM
The pro-pot people up here can't get their shit together and work as one group. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2012, 12:56:49 PM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/290374/20120131/ron-paul-anonymous-neo-nazi-opblitzkrieg-antisec.htm
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/291000/20120201/anonymous-ron-paul-neo-nazi-bnp-a3p.htm

yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 02, 2012, 01:30:35 PM
It's like I got my bday present a week early  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 02, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
This isn't anything new.  Klansmen were working for him in an official capacity in the 2008 election.

It's why I lol'd when people were so certain Paul had nothing to do with those newsletters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on February 02, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/house-republicans-order-j_n_1246971.html?mrefid=
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2012, 12:52:52 AM
Quote
One Town's War on Gay Teens

In Michele Bachmann's home district, evangelicals have created an extreme anti-gay climate. After a rash of suicides, the kids are fighting back.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202#ixzz1lIN3xWgp
 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 03, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
Quote
243K new jobs were created in January. That's well above the expectations of just 140K new jobs.

And it's even more impressive, since so many people expected it was going to be a miss.

The unemployment rate has fallen to 8.3% from 8.5%.

Past reports were revised UPWARD, which was crucial..

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-january-jobs-report-2012-2#ixzz1lKKSMJle

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-january-jobs-report-2012-2

Mittens better get to firin some people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2012, 06:36:52 PM
A lot of those people were probably poor too, I bet that just gets his blood boiling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2012, 06:39:04 PM
UE should start ticking up soon, as more people re-enter the work search, plus high gas prices this summer. But 240k jobs is pretty damn impressive for January, when you often see some retail turnover
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2012, 11:56:48 PM
Damn, that's the second time in as many weeks I have posted in the wrong thread. .

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2012, 12:09:43 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 03, 2012, 11:56:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx3r_K7BXnM&


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa3lgb_5Aio& 

This sums up the republican response to today's jobs report
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 04, 2012, 11:05:16 PM
I love that the Republican spin now is "Uh sure, we're creating jobs and the economy is recovering but uh, I could do better?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2012, 12:31:38 AM
Nevada is in the bag. Romneymania is sweeping the nation!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
Mandark fighting the good fight on Facebook, debunking Obama rumorz  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on February 05, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
I don't even know what he looks like.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 05, 2012, 10:04:01 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 05, 2012, 04:45:40 PM
I don't even know what he looks like.

Well, you won't find out from facebook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 05, 2012, 11:13:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2012, 01:52:22 PM
Mandark fighting the good fight on Facebook, debunking Obama rumorz  :lol

It's kind of sad, because the guy voted for Obama last time, and actually provided a kind of poignant moment when I first thought Obama could take the nomination.  We had all finished bowling and saw that Obama beat Hillary in Iowa, and he had this conversation with another friend of mine:

Friend 1:  That guy's gonna be the next president.
Friend 2: You really think the rednecks in this country will vote for a black president?
Friend 1: Well, *I'm* a redneck and I'm gonna vote for him!


Now he's completely susceptible to the chain email fodder and it's started to stir all kinds of shit on Facebook.  I'm actually more worried about other people getting pissed off at him (some of his female FB friends have written pretty vicious responses) than I am about changing his mind.  He was never the sharpest, but he's a nice guy; I don't remember him ever doing something to deliberately antagonize anyone.  Oh well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
It's weird hearing people who are generally smart (or at least "not dumb") make the most asinine, idiotic comments about Obama, as if his mere existence has fried their logical abilities. This is a guy who's entire biographical story is of American exceptionalism and in how "no other country in the world" is story possible, yet he...hates America and doesn't believe it's a great country? Doesn't salute the flag, has disdain for the military, disrespects the constitution..?

Reminds me of when conservatives freaked out over Obama's Nobel peace prize, arguing he would be a weak kneed, Euro-esque pacific foreign policy president unable to make tough decisions, all in order to prove he was worthy of the world. 3 years later with a terrorist body count rivaling that of any 80s action star - including, you know, overriding his entire foreign policy team to snuff Osama - conservatives view him the exact same way. The cognitive dissonance is stunning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
-Gave Libyan rebels the aid they need to take down Gadafi
-Gave the order to take down bin Laden
-Signed a law giving himself the right to throw American citizens suspected of terrorism in jail indefinitely

What more could conservatives want?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 05, 2012, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
-Gave Libyan rebels the aid they need to take down Gadafi
-Gave the order to take down bin Laden
-Signed a law giving himself the right to throw American citizens suspected of terrorism in jail indefinitely

What more could conservatives want?

(http://www.atbreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/White-Obama.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2012, 11:54:06 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
needs another flag lapel to be safe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 06, 2012, 12:54:35 AM
John F. Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2012, 01:36:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxw4uZAezaI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 06, 2012, 01:44:07 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 06, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
I wish I had a job building iPhones for 10 cents an hour. Damn you Debbie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 06, 2012, 01:47:45 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 06, 2012, 01:46:20 PM
I wish I had a job building iPhones for 10 cents an hour. Damn you Debbie

China keeps getting all the good jobs. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 06, 2012, 01:52:04 PM
(http://www.angryblacklady.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/how-exactly-did-you-get-elected.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 06, 2012, 01:57:00 PM
Ching chong, we got your stupid American dorrars! (http://i.imgur.com/QFuBY.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2012, 02:30:27 PM
omg http://www.debbiespenditnow.com/
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 06, 2012, 03:06:07 PM
I gotta admit that site is pretty awesome, blatant race-baiting notwithstanding.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 06, 2012, 03:07:07 PM
It's like a web version of those pop-up books you read as a kid. Only with less racism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 06, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
It's weird hearing people who are generally smart (or at least "not dumb") make the most asinine, idiotic comments about Obama, as if his mere existence has fried their logical abilities. This is a guy who's entire biographical story is of American exceptionalism and in how "no other country in the world" is story possible, yet he...hates America and doesn't believe it's a great country? Doesn't salute the flag, has disdain for the military, disrespects the constitution..?

This is probably one of the biggest reason why there are a lot of conservatives that hate him (besides being black and being a Democrat).

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 06, 2012, 06:13:44 PM
Where can I buy one of these?

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/debbie-spendit/image/pot-new.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 06, 2012, 06:35:28 PM
China
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2012, 07:11:55 PM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RuAAyZ2bkgQ/Ty_9DOECZrI/AAAAAAAAJN8/U2Ng9x0DMro/s415/427073_234854496600358_194983953920746_519346_36982404_n.jpg)

Note: Apparently that's NOT a photoshop.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 05, 2012, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
-Gave Libyan rebels the aid they need to take down Gadafi
-Gave the order to take down bin Laden
-Signed a law giving himself the right to throw American citizens suspected of terrorism in jail indefinitely

What more could conservatives want?

(http://www.atbreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/White-Obama.jpg)

You're halfway there. All he's missing is an "R" somewhere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 06, 2012, 08:08:15 PM
Paul Ryan thinks taking on Medicare in an election year is a brilliant idea. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/06/1062263/-Paul-Ryan-to-pick-budget-fight-with-President-Obama-over-Medicare,-defense%C2%A0cuts-?via=blog_1)

This is mana from heaven. If Obama and the Dems can't take advantage of all the goodies being thrown their way, they deserve to lose in November.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on February 06, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
I hope "Debbie-spend-it-not" becomes part of are American lexicon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2012, 10:04:34 PM
The story gets better and better
https://twitter.com/#!/derekdevries/status/166713026735640578
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 06, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
Incredible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 06, 2012, 10:15:51 PM
That's just because of the color of her shirt! Honest!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 06, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
A shirt whose color was selected randomly!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2012, 08:31:27 AM
Quote from: The Business on February 07, 2012, 12:46:44 AM
Would, though.

You got a case of Yellow Fever?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/07/update-bundlers-encouraged-to-raise-for-super-pacs-obama-once-denounced/?hpt=hp_t1

So with it getting closer to election time, Obama is now for Super PACs. Shocking news.  :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2012, 12:23:34 PM
Can Super PACs just die already?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 12:50:25 PM
I'm fine with it. If you're opponent is able to raise unlimited, unregulated money to smear you 24/7 you'd be a fool not to fight fire with fire. It's valid to accept the money while working to overturn Citizen's United, but I think as more politicians in general benefit from the ruling it'll become less likely it is ever addressed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 07, 2012, 01:17:50 PM
I feel the same way, PD.  I can understand that he needs to use it to fight back, but this strips him of any legitimacy in a public campaign to get rid of it.  It's a really vicious cycle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 01:36:33 PM
Definitely. Reminds me of when Obama decided not to stick with public financing during the 08 elections; he's going to do what it takes to win handily, like any politician. Which is why this law isn't going anywhere

It's laughable seeing someone like Gingrich literally propped up by the money of one family
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 07, 2012, 03:51:59 PM
Not a fan of the decision, but you gotta fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2012, 09:27:36 PM
Unfortunately Newt could only hide his craziness for so long and is imploding.

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 10:53:22 PM
Santorum might for 3 for 3 tonight

Romney :rofl

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2012, 10:54:39 PM
Republicans really don't like Mittens, do they?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 07, 2012, 11:20:54 PM
Looks like we've got a FROTHY TIDE OF SANTORUM running wild tonight!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 07, 2012, 11:36:56 PM
I love it. Weaken Mitt. Or hell let Santorum get the nod. He would get raped in an election. I'm happy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2012, 11:42:48 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/fivethirtyeight/status/167103089655033858

Romney is getting blown out in every aspect. Wow. How does he argue he's the only electable candidate when he can't even match his 08 performance, and is losing big time in the west and heartland?

Colorado is a major firewall for any Obama re-election strategy. If republicans can't compete there, they're fucked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
Santorum is flowing freely in the Santorum headquarters tonight!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 07, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
I didn't even realize there were primaries today, and Santorum's running amok?

This is the year of WTF for Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2012, 12:02:15 AM
11% lead with 46% reporting.  Not sure which precincts are outstanding but if this keeps up they'll call it for Santorum soon.  Can't wait to hear about the appeal of Sen. Frothy Mixture to all of those mid-west values voters tomorrow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2012, 12:02:48 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 05, 2012, 03:27:56 PM
I was friends with Mandark on facebook at one point.  I think ???

You still are!

But Patel unfriended me.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2012, 12:24:14 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 08, 2012, 12:19:51 AM
Oh and yeah, looks like the double whammy of Mitt Romney's tax return and the doesn't care about the poor comment might have had a big effect.

...with REPUBLICANS???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2012, 12:26:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPKHW6IlRHs#!
 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2012, 01:05:30 AM
aaaaand CNN has called Colorado for Santorum.  A sweep... I can't really use the word "clean" in reference to Sen. Frothy Mixture, but a sweep nonetheless!  This looks absolutely shitty for Romney and since there's not another real primary (sorry Guam) until Feb. 28th... this should get discussed to death, making for a nice long Bataan death march of a primary for ol' Mittens.  Obama has to be hammering Michelle tonight in celebration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2012, 01:09:01 AM
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e86/PhoenixDark1/raptor.gif)

this can't be life  :lol

I guess the next month will be filled with a trillion dollar ads of anti-Santorum ads from Romney's PACz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 08, 2012, 01:40:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 07, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
I didn't even realize there were primaries today, and Santorum's running amok?

And three of them, in fact! Didn't hear jack shit from any of the blogs about this happening today either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2012, 01:43:12 AM
The problem is that Santorum netted like 3 more delegates than Romney tonight, tho.  MO is a non-binding (no delegates awarded) primary and in the other two not many delegates were awarded, and were done so proportionately rather than winner take all.

But seriously, WHOOOO SANTORUM!  Like the media will talk about that at all.  They'll be playing with their new catnip "Santorum Sweep" toy for weeks, the idiots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2012, 02:04:35 AM
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/obamaawe.banner.reuters.jpg)

Obama reacting to Santorum's sweep.

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...or what is clearly the best Science Fair entry ever, the EXTREME MARSHMALLOW CANNON
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2012, 02:08:33 AM
It was technically legal to kill Mormons in Missouri until 1976? Hm, you learn something every day
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on February 08, 2012, 08:22:25 AM
see, there ARE some cool things about this state
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 08, 2012, 09:21:54 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 08, 2012, 01:40:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 07, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
I didn't even realize there were primaries today, and Santorum's running amok?

And three of them, in fact! Didn't hear jack shit from any of the blogs about this happening today either.

I think that as low an opinion the reality based community had about the GOP, how could people predict they'd whip up a froth for Santorum*.

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* GET YER SANTORUM JOKES IN NOW FOLKS!!! **dances a jig**
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 08, 2012, 12:19:45 PM
Washington state house will sign the gay marriage bill today. Governor will sign it into law soon after. :rock

And then, the crazies will begin their referendum movement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 08, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Republican meltdown ongoing right now:

http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=LIVE247
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2012, 05:06:30 PM
Passive aggressive bald guy just said his daughter needs the "strength and discipline of a father" and the "love and nuturing" of a mother.

Cause dads don't love their kids and moms are all pushovers.

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lolwut

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actually I understand exactly wut and it's pretty despicable
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2012, 05:07:25 PM
AND HERE ARE THE LEVITICUS QUOTES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 08, 2012, 05:12:12 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 08, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Republican meltdown ongoing right now:

http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwliveplayer&eventID=LIVE247

SAME SEX MARRIAGE IS WRONG BECAUSE JOBS

that's some flailin'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2012, 05:27:17 PM
some dude with a bowtie named Bill Hinkle is saying we're all gonna die, bringing up Soviet Russia. "We're not defined by our passions" and compares being gay to being overweight  :lol

They should get on record: how high will the divorce rate rise, how high will crime rise, etc

edit: great speech from Meereen Marsh. On a side note it's refreshing to see state legislatures discussing things in a civil manner, even if I disagree with the content. Michigan  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 08, 2012, 05:37:31 PM
I'm glad Santorum is surging.  Makes the 5-6 hours I wasted seem somewhat worth it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 08, 2012, 06:36:32 PM
It passed! Time for the governor to sign it!

And the right has until June to get 250k signatures to get a referendum on the ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 08, 2012, 08:12:40 PM
Not related to the current topic(s) on hand, but I just wanted to post this:

(http://i.imgur.com/TwhmT.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2012, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 08, 2012, 08:12:40 PM
Not related to the current topic(s) on hand, but I just wanted to post this:

(http://i.imgur.com/TwhmT.png)

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits,_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2012, 08:49:30 PM
Funny comic, but isn't criticizing Rand for getting SS/Medicare like criticizing Warren Buffet for not sending extra money to the government in taxes?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2012, 09:08:01 PM
I guess it would be if Warren Buffet made all his money creating a system of philosophy that said you should pay extra money to the government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2012, 04:07:55 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/08/sean-hannity-says-if-obam_n_1262921.HTML

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 09, 2012, 02:35:57 PM
*mindfuck*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2012, 02:46:14 PM
I hate it when you accidentally order a hit-squad to take out a terrorist leader. "I wonder how my old pal Bin Laden is doing this morning...oh shit...OH SHIT...did I get drunk last night and order a Navy SEALS strike team to attack his secret compound!? Wait, Sean Hannity, how did you get in the White House with a video camera!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2012, 08:23:55 PM
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/08/retired-new-york-cardinal-egan-retracts-apology-on-catholic-priest-sex-abuse

"Yeah, so all that boyfucking that went on under my watch that I apologized for? Turned out it never even happened, go figure! Also, even if it did happen, it would be okay for me to cover it up like I did."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2012, 08:40:12 PM
"I don't think even now you're obligated to report (abuse cases) in Connecticut."

Really!?  Putting aside whether this is legally true (which I seriously doubt), what the fuck kind of excuse is this for a man of the cloth?  "Well, technically you're not criminally liable for failing to report sexual predators to the police in this particular jurisdiction, so as far as I'm concerned the Big Guy and I are square on this one!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
Yeah, that's what it got me. It's bad enough when they pretend like it never happened or that they didn't know that it was happening, but then to say that he had no obligation to stop it from happening if he knew about it is just flabbergasting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 09, 2012, 10:33:43 PM
Hey if Joe Paterno got a pass overall for not reporting kid diddling, why should this guy be held to a different standard?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
But at least he had the good manners to apologize and then die for being a terrible human being.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 09, 2012, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on February 09, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
But at least he had the good manners to apologize and then die for being a terrible human being.

Just trying to think of a reason why some guy would retract an apology for child molestation.

I passed the link along to my largely Catholic family.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 09, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
From the article, it looks like he feels that it reflected poorly on his own staff since he didn't directly preside over any incident? Either way the church's spokesman already shot him down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2012, 11:05:12 PM
oh snap
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/cal-thomas-says-rachel-maddow-is-good-argument
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2012, 11:31:53 PM
I don't know this Cal Thomas fellow, but sounds like he shoulda been a blowjob.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 09, 2012, 11:48:22 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on February 09, 2012, 10:33:43 PM
Hey if Joe Paterno got a pass overall for not reporting kid diddling, why should this guy be held to a different standard?

Right because college footall coaches and catholic priests deserve equal amounts of respect.  ::)

Quote from: The Experiment on February 09, 2012, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on February 09, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
But at least he had the good manners to apologize and then die for being a terrible human being.

Just trying to think of a reason why some guy would retract an apology for child molestation.

I passed the link along to my largely Catholic family.

Report the reactions, pls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 09, 2012, 11:49:40 PM
Btw, does anyone have any good resources on general banking/housing policies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 10, 2012, 11:16:29 AM
It's silly that he even phrased it that way because the same could be said about him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
http://www.trueamericandog.com/2012/02/newt-gingrich-understands-america.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2012, 07:40:06 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/10/opinion/stanley-cpac/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Conservatives are getting worked into a froth over Santorum. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2012, 01:58:41 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-republicans-divide-americans-into-the-heartland-and-the-rest-of-the-country/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 11, 2012, 07:05:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4od4QQVK1o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on February 11, 2012, 09:26:03 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/brnkX.jpg)

Hi Aaron Sorkin.  Any interest in a West Wing revival? 

with a laugh track?

love chipopo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
Remember when Gingrich demanded everyone drop out the race so he could be the conservative alternative to Romney, citing polling? Sooo now that Santorum is clearly the conservative alternative, will Newt bow out? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2012, 10:46:11 PM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 11, 2012, 10:55:44 PM
So scyther is like Romney, in that he has all the right equipment/infrastructure to win, but can't seem to take flight.  The smaller pokemon is Santorum.  A good political cartoon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
fuck wrong thread  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
Greek austerity cuts are approved in spite of riots:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/greece-austerity-cuts-euro-bailout

I didn't realize things in Greece were really that fucked.  Here's a link showing that 47% of Greeks under 25 are unemployed: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/nearly-50-of-the-young-people-in-greece-and-spain-are-unemployed/249286/

Even more fucked is that apparently the Infrastructure Minister is a card carrying fascist: http://exiledonline.com/austerity-fascism-in-greece-the-real-1-doctrine/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Can any members of Euro-Bore offer some history on how things got this bad in Greece?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2012, 08:24:16 PM
Gay marriage, obviously
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Ppp tweet says sanatorium up 10-15 in michigan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2012, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Can any members of Euro-Bore offer some history on how things got this bad in Greece?

Stupidity, basically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 05, 2012, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2012, 11:49:41 PM
-Gave Libyan rebels the aid they need to take down Gadafi
-Gave the order to take down bin Laden
-Signed a law giving himself the right to throw American citizens suspected of terrorism in jail indefinitely

What more could conservatives want?

(http://www.atbreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/White-Obama.jpg)

omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 12, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Ppp tweet says sanatorium up 10-15 in michigan

That would be a huge blow to Romney considering his father was a prominent Michigan politician there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Can any members of Euro-Bore offer some history on how things got this bad in Greece?

Greece had a big property bubble, I think, like the US and Spain and some other places.  So when it burst, a lot of people suddenly found themselves in debt and stopped spending money, which led to businesses losing customers and firing people, etc.  So basically same as the recession in the US.

The trick is that when you're in a recession, you devalue your currency relative to others (like the US making the dollar weaker against the Euro), so that goods made in your country can be exported cheaper, driving up foreign demand.  So other people start buying more of your stuff and your economy gets back on track.

Only Greece can't do that, because they're part of the Euro group, and Germany has been the leader in setting monetary policy.  Germany hasn't had that bad a recession, so unsurprisingly they push for a policy that works for their economy, even as it screws over Greece.  So now Greece is super fucked up and needs to be bailed out, which Germany and France don't want to do, but they also can't afford to let Greece leave the Euro and go back to having its own money.  So everyone's got a gun to their head and any possible solution seems politically near-impossible in at least one of the countries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2012, 08:48:46 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on February 12, 2012, 08:31:50 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2012, 08:26:24 PM
Ppp tweet says sanatorium up 10-15 in michigan

That would be a huge blow to Romney considering his father was a prominent Michigan politician there.

I think his father is somewhat irrelevant. Romney has made some contacts with the more business republican aspects of this state, mainly the Amway/DeVos business types. On the other hand this is a manufacturing, blue collar state and Romney doesn't do well with that demographic. I'm no Santorum fan but his manufacturing ideas aren't crazy, and that will play well with a lot of folks here.

Even our right wing governor argues the auto bailout was a giant success. I don't see how Romney can survive calling for Detroit to essentially die. And while Santorum didn't support the bailout either, his language is far less incendiary and I could see republicans supporting him.

Still, I think Michigan goes blue easily in November no matter who the nominee is. Synder has been a complete disaster.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2012, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2012, 08:44:17 PM
The trick is that when you're in a recession, you devalue your currency relative to others (like the US making the dollar weaker against the Euro), so that goods made in your country can be exported cheaper, driving up foreign demand.  So other people start buying more of your stuff and your economy gets back on track.

Only Greece can't do that, because they're part of the Euro group, and Germany has been the leader in setting monetary policy.  Germany hasn't had that bad a recession, so unsurprisingly they push for a policy that works for their economy, even as it screws over Greece.  So now Greece is super fucked up and needs to be bailed out, which Germany and France don't want to do, but they also can't afford to let Greece leave the Euro and go back to having its own money.  So everyone's got a gun to their head and any possible solution seems politically near-impossible in at least one of the countries.

The Eurozone sounds like a big barrel of laughs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2012, 12:43:31 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/12/1064223/-Open-Thread-for-Night-Owls-What-digby-said-about-Liz-Trotta-?via=blog_1

boys will be boys!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2012, 09:28:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2012, 12:43:31 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/12/1064223/-Open-Thread-for-Night-Owls-What-digby-said-about-Liz-Trotta-?via=blog_1

boys will be boys!

They were totally asking for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Flannel Boy on February 13, 2012, 10:19:46 AM

strutting around in their desert sand uniforms and army boots in the back alleys of Kabul
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 13, 2012, 03:18:53 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pew-santorum-passes-romney-nationally?ref=fpb

SANTORUM IS SURGING YES YES ALL OVER MY SHEETS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
Santorumentum!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2012, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on February 13, 2012, 03:18:53 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/pew-santorum-passes-romney-nationally?ref=fpb

SANTORUM IS SURGING YES YES ALL OVER MY SHEETS

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Note the color they picked for Santorum's line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 13, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
I'm color blind, but I assume the joke is that it's santorum-colored.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 13, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
GAY MARRIAGE LEGAL IN WASHINGTON.

SANTORUM ON HIS WAY HERE.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2012, 04:20:25 PM
ooh, it can only be hoped that Dan Savage rolls out the brown carpet for him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2012, 04:20:38 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romneys-slide-among-independents-continues/2012/02/13/gIQAYYqGBR_blog.html

Romney is shedding independents as he moves further to the right to combat Santorum/others. This could be a giant farce if the economy keeps improving. What will Romney run on, attacking Iran?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2012, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on February 13, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
I'm color blind, but I assume the joke is that it's santorum-colored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtqjoetzps
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2012, 04:27:38 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on February 13, 2012, 04:13:49 PM
I'm color blind, but I assume the joke is that it's santorum-colored.

Poop-stain brown, yes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2012, 05:07:13 PM
Looks like the payroll tax break is getting an extension, with no offsetting spending cuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2012, 05:07:13 PM
Looks like the payroll tax break is getting an extension, with no offsetting spending cuts.

It's worth noting that this GOP deal does not include the UE benefit extension and medicare doc fix. That's a big deal, and if dems accept this they'll be fighting over the less popular (but more important) items without a crutch.

Another interesting point: by not off setting the payroll tax cut, republicans (and democrats) just might be speeding up the clock on us hitting the debt ceiling. In an election year, perhaps around August or October. Fun times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 13, 2012, 07:30:04 PM
Well handwring all you want, but usually having the enemy retreat to surer ground* isn't seen as a defeat.

*and that's accepting your analysis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2012, 07:39:11 PM
Don't worry, I've heard Republican lawmakers always extend unemployment benefits of their own volition!  :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 14, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
http://www.liberalsloveromney.com/

Despite what you say Newt, you'll always be no. 1 in MY eyes. :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Saul Alinsky!

That fucker!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 14, 2012, 08:53:20 PM
So I guess it's true, Romney is the most electable GOP candidate, even the liberals love him!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 14, 2012, 08:59:58 PM
Oh man, could I possibly have a chance to cast a relevant vote for Santorum in the NC primary in a couple of months?  Cause that would be AWESOME.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2012, 09:21:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AevFw.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 14, 2012, 08:28:51 PM
Saul Alinsky!

That fucker!

And I thought hip hop fans were the only people deeply concerned with satanism in 2012!


Well looks like republicans are caving on UE benefits and the doc fix too (which will be paid for).
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/lawmakers-strike-tentative-deal-on-payroll-tax-package.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

UE cut from 99 weeks to 75 weeks  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 15, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 14, 2012, 09:21:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AevFw.png)

Fuck you, Rick. FUCK. YOU. HARD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: David Brooks
The half-century between 1912 and 1962 was a period of great wars and economic tumult but also of impressive social cohesion. Marriage rates were high. Community groups connected people across class.

In the half-century between 1962 and the present, America has become more prosperous, peaceful and fair, but the social fabric has deteriorated. Social trust has plummeted. Society has segmented.

White guy thinks people got along better before the major victories of the civil rights movement.  Shokku!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
I must admit I'd expect that from Glen Beck, not Brooks  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on February 15, 2012, 03:58:35 PM
where the hell is a brain tumor when you need it

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
I must admit I'd expect that from Glen Beck, not Brooks  :-\

you clearly have not read enough (any?) brooks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/opinion/brooks-the-materialist-fallacy.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Read the whole thing.  If anything, it's more smug than you'd imagine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
Conservatives have always had this fantasy of the "past" as some idealized version of American with no problems. It's that Leave it to Beaver 50's TV image. It's how their ideology works. It banks on a return to a fictionalized past.

That is unless a Democrat was recently president when those times were hell on earth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2012, 04:44:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtOcrS6axnE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2012, 05:20:42 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 15, 2012, 05:25:03 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
Conservatives have always had this fantasy of the "past" as some idealized version of American with no problems. It's that Leave it to Beaver 50's TV image. It's how their ideology works. It banks on a return to a fictionalized past.

That is unless a Democrat was recently president when those times were hell on earth.
Yep yep.  I hear that crap all the time from older conservatives.  "In the 50's.... blah blah blah" and it's usually completely and factually incorrect.  I hear about how today's politicians just aren't the same.  Have these people never read a real book on American history?  It's full of scandal and shit flinging.  I can't stand it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
The most telling thing is to simply talk to very old people black or white. On average they are the most racist stereotyping group of people you would ever want to me when you really get to know them. They can't stand each other. And I don't blame them. Its the world they grew up in.

The past was different. In some ways it was better. In some was its worse. You could probably make very specific arguments if you tailored the argument in a very specific and narrow way but broad generalizations never work. But then op eds are the playground of generalizations. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 15, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
If Republicans like the 50s so much, why don't we return to 50s era tax rates? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 15, 2012, 11:10:57 PM
(http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20168e768eaf9970c-800wi)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2012, 11:17:08 PM
That's definitely NOT mud, by the way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
reminds me of dressing  :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on February 16, 2012, 12:02:50 AM
You have a funny way of putting on clothes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/opinion/brooks-the-materialist-fallacy.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

Read the whole thing.  If anything, it's more smug than you'd imagine.

Charlie Pierce kindly gives us his take on that:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mitt-romney-detroit-free-press-op-ed-6655373
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 16, 2012, 01:21:59 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 16, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mitt-romney-detroit-free-press-op-ed-6655373

"bourgeois paternalism"

Good Lord.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
Been traveling about in the last couple weeks and when I do that I tend to put on Rush or equivalent just to see what the deal is. And the Santorum love is just...

I don't get it, I thought Newt was the conservative. Oh wait, was it Romney with his business experience but...

The other night I listened to some conservatives talk about how if the economy improves it's a death knell for Obama because then Santorum can hit him on social issues, where he's weak, but if the economy stinks then Romney is the one.

I also talked to a big Hannity loving conservative who didn't know anything about Santorum really, like say the whole aspect of that Goldwater/Santorum image on the last page. The person didn't know Santorum wants to use the government to enforce the "responsibilities given to us by God" which apparently "isn't a big deal, that would help a lot of people." They were pretty much against Gingrich and Romney completely now, and think Ron Paul is a leftist.

Maybe Santorum will let Gary Johnson* get double figures. I'd like that even if it's not realistic. It's not like Obama is going to lose.
Quote from: Positive Touch on February 15, 2012, 03:58:35 PM
you clearly have not read enough (any?) brooks
:lol was going to say this exact thing.

*As if he even gets the nomination.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 16, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/11/rick-santorum-s-italian-family-speaks-out.html

Quote
But the elder Santorum matriarch doesn’t understand why he has diverged so far from the family’s longtime political stance. “In Riva del Garda his grandfather Pietro and uncles were ‘red communists’ to the core,” writes Oggi journalist Giuseppe Fumagalli, likening the family to “Peppone” after a famous fictional Italian communist mayor who fought against an ultraconservative priest known as Don Cammillo and about which a popular television series is based. “But on the other side of the ocean, it’s like his family here doesn’t exist. Instead he draws crowds as the head of the ultraconservative faction of the Republican party, against divorce, gay marriage, abortion, and immigration.”

Guilty by association like Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2012, 09:26:49 AM
Santorum doesn't really need guilt by association.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 12:45:34 PM
Economy is weak: Obama is ruining America, businesses want republican to win
Economy is improving: Obama is ruining America, economy always fixes itself, businesses really want republicans to win

Romney's argument for the nomination pretty much disappears if the economy improves, but you'd have to be pretty crazy to think Santorum suddenly becomes a general election favorite if the economy is no longer a major issue. Republicans have lost a lot of ground on the culture war since 2004. For all the outrage over this contraception issue, the vast majority of Americans - even independents and moderates - believe employers should cover it, even if they're religious institutions; hell, more than 40% of republicans agree on that point.

I certainly think Santorum plays better with blue collar workers than Romney...
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/rasmussen-santorum-leads-ohio-gop-primary-by-18

...but he would struggle to get 40% of the female vote in a national election. TL DR: He crazy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 16, 2012, 12:56:01 PM
no shit.

The only reason Santorum is prospering at all is pretty much because Rommney is blowing it.  'Real muricans' hate the guy, and he's bleeding moderate support every week, perhaps partially because he's dialing down his sane positions to better appeal to people who hate him already.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 01:48:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOI7fokqkFc

Nothing would please me more than the great white christian hope getting trounced by the moslem pretender
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 16, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 01:48:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOI7fokqkFc

:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 16, 2012, 02:13:59 PM
that guy is rich as hell and has been Santorum's Sheldon Adelson, so Rick really can't tell his boss to STFU.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 02:20:55 PM
myth busted, whew
http://contraception.about.com/b/2010/05/20/myth-busters-aspirin-as-a-birth-control-method.htm

I feel like I know more about women thanks to this guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2012, 02:29:39 PM
also, obama's approval rating is apparently 51% for a few days.  Not bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 16, 2012, 06:22:34 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on February 16, 2012, 09:12:17 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/01/11/rick-santorum-s-italian-family-speaks-out.html

Quote
But the elder Santorum matriarch doesn’t understand why he has diverged so far from the family’s longtime political stance. “In Riva del Garda his grandfather Pietro and uncles were ‘red communists’ to the core,” writes Oggi journalist Giuseppe Fumagalli, likening the family to “Peppone” after a famous fictional Italian communist mayor who fought against an ultraconservative priest known as Don Cammillo and about which a popular television series is based. “But on the other side of the ocean, it’s like his family here doesn’t exist. Instead he draws crowds as the head of the ultraconservative faction of the Republican party, against divorce, gay marriage, abortion, and immigration.”

Guilty by association like Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright, right?

Probably greener pastures being a socon.  There was some long ass article (maybe it was on Rolling Stone) that basically said that Newt was a moderate until he realized he could get further ahead as a far right winger.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on February 16, 2012, 07:03:04 PM
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/16/israelis_unite_for_war_with_iran/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2012, 09:14:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MQ75c9muDA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2012, 09:19:30 PM
Holy shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 16, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Different person, same meeting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mp_6gVyQJ8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2012, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 16, 2012, 07:03:04 PM
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/16/israelis_unite_for_war_with_iran/
Never mind stuxnet and the assassination of scientists, theses bombs near our embassy are considered an act of war.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 15, 2012, 05:35:46 PM
The most telling thing is to simply talk to very old people black or white. On average they are the most racist stereotyping group of people you would ever want to me when you really get to know them. They can't stand each other. And I don't blame them. Its the world they grew up in.

My grandfather was on the city council and when his term was up recruited (along with the mayor) a black friend to replace him, becoming the first black councilman ever of the city.  Heard this story from that friend at my grandfather's funeral.  The kicker?  Grandpa was a Republican.

:bow granddad :bow2

:bow machine politics :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
Good news, men. I am now going to be officially PAID to spread the Obama campaign's socialist, Kenyan agenda.

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 17, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Congrats, you unbelievable sellout.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2012, 08:44:44 PM
we'll definitely need a congressional hearing on whether the high youth unemployment/university fuck ups are just a ploy to get young people to join Obama's army
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35215551&postcount=3701
:violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 17, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Quote from: Mandark on February 17, 2012, 08:04:23 PM
Congrats, you unbelievable sellout.

Danke.

Even if the the Dems don't take back the House or hold the senate, it'll be worth helping Obama just to see tea baggers commit wide spread suicide if he gets re-elected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
But if Obama beats Romney, won't a lot of tea partiers just say "HA, if only we ran a true conservative Obama would have lost by 10 points"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on February 18, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
It's a win-win really.  The more conservatives double down the more irrelevant they become.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2012, 12:48:49 PM
Yea. They have really shat the bed over contraception, like beyond what anyone could imagine
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2012, 05:42:59 PM
Terri Schiavo 2: Prophylactic Boogaloo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-eejMcmuA
keep fucking that chicken
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 18, 2012, 11:00:42 PM
I really hope the GOP are dumb enough to nominate Santorum.   He's the male version of Sarah Palin.

Obama will crush this dude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
More like the male version of Michelle Bachmann.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 18, 2012, 11:03:18 PM
More like the male version of Michelle Bachmann.

I like this more. Santorum can at least form complete sentences and has some degree of familiarity with issues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 18, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
Now all he's missing is a gay husband.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2012, 11:28:44 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on February 18, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
Now all he's missing is a gay husband.

If what I hear about the airport bathrooms in PA is true, I wouldn't exactly say he's "missing" that.  Hey-o!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2012, 11:38:10 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/no-vagrancy-cpac-refuses-to-be-occupied/

That's an extended video of the whole Breitbart thing the other day (the 'STOP RAPING PEOPLE!" thing). I used to just think Breitbart was a dick, but the dude seems paranoid as fuck as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2012, 11:05:49 AM
Maryland House just passed a gay marriage bill, which is expected to pass the Senate before our governor signs it and it goes to a referendum challenge in November.

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 21, 2012, 04:08:03 AM
(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/stimulusgraph.jpg)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/four-out-of-five-economists-agree-the-stimulus-created-jobs/2011/08/25/gIQAb1CbPR_blog.html

:piss latte sipping elite "economists" :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 21, 2012, 08:41:19 PM
http://unicornbooty.com/blog/2012/02/21/omg-a-rick-santorum-portrait-made-entirely-of-gay-porn-nsfw-ish/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 21, 2012, 10:00:50 PM
This is amazing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHaMqHh5NZ4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2012, 10:04:55 PM
"I love...lamp."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Someone posted this on facebook
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204909104577235471075318762.html  herp a derp

Anyone who has payed attention even the slightest would know the gay community isn't particularly happy about Obama's position on gay marriage, and if they give him a "pass" it's because he's been the most pro-gay president in US history. Whereas Santorum might be the most anti-gay "serious" presidential candidate in more than a decade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 21, 2012, 10:30:29 PM
I think it would be funny for Santorum to be the GOP candidate, just to see Gaborn try to pretzel himself into a "this will be better for the gay community in the long run!" stance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 21, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
Republicans rejoice!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152753/Unemployment-Increases-Mid-February.aspx
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on February 21, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
Republicans rejoice!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152753/Unemployment-Increases-Mid-February.aspx

It's not seasonally adjusted. More than likely the actual unemployment rate will drop again for February. UE benefits claims are lower than they've been in years, plus the participation rate is still low. Which means people are going off UE benefits/finding jobs, the work force is getting older (people are retiring), and some people gave up long ago
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2012, 11:50:33 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
Someone posted this on facebook
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204909104577235471075318762.html  herp a derp

Anyone who has payed attention even the slightest would know the gay community isn't particularly happy about Obama's position on gay marriage, and if they give him a "pass" it's because he's been the most pro-gay president in US history. Whereas Santorum might be the most anti-gay "serious" presidential candidate in more than a decade.

"It's arguably the most glaring double standard in American life today."

Note, he's not talking about the rules applied to gay vs. straight couples, but to Republican and Democratic politicians talking about gay and straight couples.  For realz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2012, 02:25:12 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON - Laying down an election-year marker in the debate over taxes, the Obama administration is proposing to cut the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent, and to seek an even lower effective rate for manufacturers, a senior administration official says.

In turn, corporations would have to give up dozens of loopholes and subsidies that they now enjoy. Corporations with overseas operations would also face a minimum tax on their foreign earnings.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on Wednesday was to detail aspects of President Barack Obama's proposed overhaul of the corporate tax system, a plan Obama broadly outlined in his State of the Union speech last month.

Chances of accomplishing such change in the tax system are slim in a year dominated mostly with presidential and congressional elections. But for Obama, the proposal is part of a larger tax plan that is central to his re-election strategy.

The corporate tax plan dovetails with Obama's call for raising taxes on millionaires and maintaining current rates on individuals making $200,000 or less.

The 35 percent nominal corporate tax rate is the highest in the world after Japan. But deductions, credits and exemptions allow many corporations to pay taxes at a much lower rate.

Under the framework proposed by the administration, the rate cuts, closed loopholes and the minimum tax on overseas earning would result in no increase to the deficit.

That means that many businesses that slip through loopholes or enjoy subsidies and pay an effective tax rate that is substantially less than the 35 percent corporate tax could end up paying more under Obama's plan. Others, however, would pay less while some would simply benefit from a more simplified system.

The official said the Obama plan aims to help U.S. businesses, especially manufacturers who face strong international competition. Obama's plan would lower the effective rate for manufacturers to 25 percent while emphasizing development of clean energy systems. The administration official spoke on condition of anonymity to describe what the administration will do.

The New York Times first reported details of the plan in its online edition early Wednesday.

Many members of both parties have said they favor overhauling the nation's individual and corporate tax systems, which they complain have rates that are too high and are riddled with too many deductions.

The corporate tax debate has made its way into the presidential contest. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has called for a 25 percent rate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., would cut the corporate tax rate to 12.5 percent, and former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., would exempt domestic manufacturers from the corporate tax and halve the top rate for other businesses.

While Obama has been promoting various aspects of his economic agenda in personal appearances and speeches, the decision to leave the corporate tax plan to the Treasury Department to unveil signaled its lower priority.

What's more, the administration's framework leaves much for Congress to decide — a deliberate move by the administration to encourage negotiations but which also doesn't subject the plan to detailed scrutiny.

Obama's plan is not as ambitious as a House Republican proposal that would lower the corporate rate to 25 percent.

Still, Obama has said corporate tax rates are too high and has proposed eliminating tax breaks for American companies that move jobs and profits overseas. He also has proposed giving tax breaks to U.S. manufacturers, to firms that return jobs to this country and to companies that relocate to some communities that have lost big employers.

Geithner told a House committee last week that the administration wants to create more incentives for corporations to invest in the United States.

"We want to bring down the rate, and we think we can, to a level that's closer to the average of that of our major competitors," Geithner told the House Ways and Means Committee.

White House economic adviser Gene Sperling has advocated a minimum tax on global profits. Currently many corporations do not invest overseas profits in the United States to avoid the 35 percent tax rate.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57382394/obama-to-propose-corporate-tax-rate-cut/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57382394/obama-to-propose-corporate-tax-rate-cut/)

A sensible compromise position for the most part, which means republicans will surely dismiss it. Prediction: Boehner and the rest of GOP leadership will argue nothing can be done until complete, comprehensive tax reform is addressed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2012, 01:45:57 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/poll-stabenow-leads-hoekstra-by-21-points-in
justice :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 22, 2012, 04:01:40 PM
:piss Choekstra :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 22, 2012, 08:03:57 PM
Are we ready fellas???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 22, 2012, 08:46:38 PM
wow, the crowd just boo'd birth control.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
OBAMA THE BABY KILLER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 22, 2012, 09:10:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/v3zMy.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2012, 09:11:44 PM
He looks pissed a debate finally decided to allow candidates to sit down after the guy who had back surgery left the race
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 22, 2012, 10:26:27 PM
Santorum and Mittens really tore into each other tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2012, 05:10:20 AM
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/2/22/20/anigif_enhanced-buzz-7864-1329962323-161.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2012, 06:14:26 AM
Quote
After tonight's debate, in which Ron Paul and Mitt Romney repeatedly attacked Rick Santorum over his 16-year record in Congress, the former US Senator for Pennsylvania hinted that something nefarious was going on.

"You have to ask Congressman Paul and Governor Romney what they've got going together," Santorum told reporters in the spin room in Mesa, Arizona. "Their commercials look a lot alike and so do their attacks."

Santorum's top strategist John Brabender went even further, charging that the two men had "joined forces" and were coordinating attacks against his man

"Clearly there's a tag team strategy between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. For all I know, Mitt Romney might be considering Ron Paul as his running mate. Clearly there is now an alliance between those two and you saw that certainly in the debate."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2012, 09:12:55 AM
Santorum shouldn't worry about being ganged up on cause he has Jesus on his side.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 12:21:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsmU2aM8ez8
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 23, 2012, 12:58:42 PM
Unemployment aid applications stay at 4-year low (http://hhttp://news.yahoo.com/unemployment-aid-applications-stay-4-low-133618487.html;_ylt=As2aLiX7pe7DI0OkSk5lTMis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNtNDZhbGtpBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBGUARwa2cDZTQ1Yzc3ZDYtYTFlZS0zMGI0LTgzYjEtNzFmMjMzZjEzNTU5BHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDdG9wX3N0b3J5BHZlcgNjNTNjZWQwNC01ZTI5LTExZTEtYmRiZi1mYTZhZTVmMzYzOTA-;_ylg=X3oDMTFvdnRqYzJoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3)
The unemployment rate will probably drop again or at the very least stay the same.  Can't wait to see Romney's and Santorum's spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 01:02:33 PM
It'll drop again most likely. I initially figured it would tick up most of the year as the unemployed, encouraged by positive economic news, began looking for jobs again. But reports are showing the participation rate will stay low all year, in part due to many people deciding to just retire.

If it wasn't for super high gas prices on the horizon we might have hit 7.9 or so UE in the summer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 23, 2012, 01:08:02 PM
Yeah gas prices will definitely mess with the market when spring/summer hit. (warning: anecdotal evidence) I know a bunch of people who lost their job and have just decided to stay out of the market by going back to school and stuff like that.  I think it will take a while before discouraged workers actually start looking again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2012, 01:09:56 PM
High gas prices in an election year? no wai
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/jon-stewart-gop-obama-fear-mongering_n_1296123.html

I'd love to see a list of this bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2012, 01:54:02 PM
What?

OBAMA is evolving!

Congratulations! Your OBAMA has evolved into FREEDOM-HATING, GOD-KILLING, EURO-SOCIALIST, ISLAMO-FASCISTS DICTATOR!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on February 23, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
hahaha, no candidate would ever stick pauls name on their ticket
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2012, 05:20:46 PM
I think you could easily see RAND Paul end up being Romney's VP choice.  Which would be dumb, because Romney almost certainly isn't going to carry Massachusetts and pretty much any Republican is going to win in Kentucky as long as Obama is black.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2012, 05:29:38 PM
I didn't see the debate yesterday, but Romney actually accused RICK "LET'S PARTY LIKE IT'S 1399!" SANTORUM of being too liberal on abortion? What the fucking what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2012, 06:11:17 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 23, 2012, 05:29:38 PM
I didn't see the debate yesterday, but Romney actually accused RICK "LET'S PARTY LIKE IT'S 1399!" SANTORUM of being too liberal on abortion? What the fucking what?

Apparently Ricky voted for a bill that gave Planned Parenthood money or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 06:54:56 PM
Yea, last night demonstrated why it's not a good idea to stay in the senate for multiple terms if you plan on running for president. It's too easy to get bogged down with appropriations bills that have one thing objectionable within for opponents to comb through later. It's part of the reason Obama had a far easier time running than Kerry (or McCain).

Santorum got booed when he said he voted for No Child Left Behind because he had to "take one for the team." While it's true, that's certainly not something you want to say if you're running for president. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 23, 2012, 09:20:32 PM
Chris Christie, clearly eyeing some kind of President or Vice President position in the future tells Warren Buffett to write a check and to shut up!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/chris-christie-warren-buffett_n_1294579.html

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 10:32:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_rFYbQJBTg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
kickin' a man while he's down
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35422763&postcount=83
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 23, 2012, 11:15:05 PM
It would only be Obama's fault if the rest of the world didn't see the same increases. Oil is a world market, not just the US.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 11:03:50 PM
kickin' a man while he's down
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35422763&postcount=83

I like how he posts on it where he knows I can't respond  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2012, 11:43:23 PM
Also, the reason gas prices are shooting up has nothing to do w/ supply or demand- US demand for crude oil is actually at some sort of low in recent years.  It's due to people (stupidly) betting on oil futures.  So there's no demand, which means there's no reason to bet on oil futures, but people do it and oil shoots up because OMG TEH FREE MARKETS ARE SO AWESOME.  Capitalism is a fucking failure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 11:49:49 PM
Iran tension also plays a part tho right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2012, 01:32:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2012, 11:49:49 PM
Iran tension also plays a part tho right?

A bit.  Not as much as the other shit from what I understand, however.  Like, if you want to make a long term bet on something that will pay off huge and not have to worry about when the EXACT RIGHT TIME is to dump it, do it on solar panels.  They keep making them more and more efficient, sooner or later (within 7-10 years is my guess) they're gonna really hit the sweet spot and then we'll just switch everything we can to solar energy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2012, 02:14:58 AM
Speaking of Iran, pleasepleaseplease Israel don't start a shooting war.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2012, 02:20:46 AM
Sometimes, when I think we've got it bad with our right wing lunatics in this country, I remember Israel and don't feel so bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 24, 2012, 01:27:52 PM
LOL. Romney gives speech in virtually empty Detroit stadium:

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/02/24/1067937/-Mitt-Romney-speech-to-nearly-empty-Ford-Field-roundly-mocked-on-Twitter?via=blog_1

(http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/191280/Amb3WQkCAAAyoz7.jpg-large.jpeg)

Also, I just have to post this pic any time there's any reference to shitty audience turnout:

(http://cdn.stripersonline.com/a/ab/1000x500px-LL-ab064fcc_teaparty_tg0131.standalone.prod_affiliate.74.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 24, 2012, 01:42:02 PM
As hilarious as that is, it's still disingenuous for dailykos to compare some random Romney campaign speech with Obama's speech at the friggin' Democratic National Convention.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on February 24, 2012, 01:46:03 PM
Yeah, plus the people in that picture are probably 1/2 of Detroit's population nowadays :P

awesome article I read about DPRK printing US "superdollars" to pay for nuclear material:
http://news.yahoo.com/u-could-pressure-north-korea-tomorrow-quit-100-094000585.html (http://news.yahoo.com/u-could-pressure-north-korea-tomorrow-quit-100-094000585.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 24, 2012, 01:54:22 PM
Quote from: Boogie on February 24, 2012, 01:42:02 PM
As hilarious as that is, it's still disingenuous for dailykos to compare some random Romney campaign speech with Obama's speech at the friggin' Democratic National Convention.

Here's pic of Obama at Hartford rally at same point in primary

(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/ObamaHartfordrally2-081.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 24, 2012, 02:36:09 PM
Better.
Title: Shit in my FB stream
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2012, 06:40:33 PM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/424189_3472190807124_1341753290_33440750_7817010_n.jpg)


Hm, they didn't quite capture Obama's dialect.  I wonder what the author was going for there...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 24, 2012, 06:50:22 PM
Where's the slice of watermelon/piece of fried chicken?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2012, 07:43:56 PM
I don't get the logic. Obama wants Americans to suffer with high gas prices because....he hates the oil industry and wants "green energy" to take over? What does he gain by supporting high gas prices, considering they always hurt whichever president is in office?

So once again Obama memes clash. If he's truly a craven politician willing to do anything to get re-elected, why would he want gas prices to be high?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 24, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
I don't think the gag relies so much on Obama having coherent motives vis the energy industry, so much as being a street-talking darkie who delights in lying to Americans and thinking he's smarter than them.

So, you know, pretty accurate stuff there!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 25, 2012, 01:05:16 PM
don't really high gas prices validate Obama's energy policy/movement towards green tech?

Isn't that what brought about even the idea of fuel economy and the environmental movement in the 70's was the gas crisis?  I don't know how anybody can look at 4-5 bucks a gallon and think that "if only there was a marginal increase in production this wouldn't happen"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
Quote
Clement’s husband, Stephen, said Santorum was right on the mark when he said that Obama wants to send kids to get college degrees so as to produce more liberals.

“It starts down at the elementary school level with all this bullshit about diversity, pardon my French,” he said. “Diversity and sensitivity and all that crap. That’s the stuff that needs to be taught at home not by my teachers. My teachers need to be academic: Math, science, history, social studies, that sort of thing and keep political opinions out of it, bottom line.”
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/michigan-tea-partiers-share-rick-santorums-fears-over-obamas-college-push.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

At this point it's time for Obama to propose a complete overturn of Roe v Wade, just to see if republicans respond by becoming pro-choice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2012, 06:01:57 PM
Rick Santorum:

-Political science degree from Pennsylvania State
-MBA from University of Pittsburgh
-Doctorate from Dickinson School of Law

Quote
“There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor… That’s why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image,” Santorum said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 07:24:13 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/flashback-in-2006-rick-santorum-wanted-to-send-all-paians-to-college.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
Obama wants to "remake you in his image."

I suppose we're not meant to take any religious meaning away from that, either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on February 25, 2012, 07:40:13 PM
I like the next part of his quote too:

Quote
I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his.”

I guess within a conservative social environment you can say things like this and no one will blink an eye, but it's just such a blatently narcissistic statement on child-rearing.  Maybe if your kid wants the education you didnt get you should just be proud of him?

No no, Santorums right, just tell your kid that going to college is a choice between OBAMA OR YOUR OWN FATHER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 25, 2012, 11:33:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 05:38:33 PM
Quote
Clement’s husband, Stephen, said Santorum was right on the mark when he said that Obama wants to send kids to get college degrees so as to produce more liberals.

“It starts down at the elementary school level with all this bullshit about diversity, pardon my French,” he said. “Diversity and sensitivity and all that crap. That’s the stuff that needs to be taught at home not by my teachers. My teachers need to be academic: Math, science, history, social studies, that sort of thing and keep political opinions out of it, bottom line.”
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/michigan-tea-partiers-share-rick-santorums-fears-over-obamas-college-push.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

At this point it's time for Obama to propose a complete overturn of Roe v Wade, just to see if republicans respond by becoming pro-choice

That sort of thing drives me batshit insane.  No, you mouthbreathing fucktards, teaching people to not be assholes isn't political... it's teaching them to be good human beings.  The fact that they DON'T WANT THAT FOR THEIR KIDS speaks volumes about THEM.  Fucking assholes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2012, 07:24:13 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/02/flashback-in-2006-rick-santorum-wanted-to-send-all-paians-to-college.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
:teehee

What a snob!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2012, 01:22:28 AM
actual video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjbJOSwq3A
He mad. he really mad
 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2012, 07:14:40 AM
I wasn't 100% sure that wasn't some kind of parody article until the saw the video. :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 27, 2012, 03:37:55 AM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/santorum-says-hell-reach-out-to-minority-communities
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2012, 10:20:25 AM
I know more white people on government assistance than I do minorities in total.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 27, 2012, 02:58:58 PM
Okay, Romney be straight up trollin now:

Quote
Mr. Romney’s Florida trip might have seemed like an odd, if confident, detour from states that will be voting on Tuesday. But Michigan has an ample share of Nascar fans. And the campaign hoped that images of Mr. Romney at the speedway would circulate widely through the Southern states that vote on March 6.

But the crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. “I like those fancy raincoats you bought,” he said. “Really sprung for the big bucks
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2012, 03:02:19 PM
He also told the AP that while he isn't familiar with the sport enough to say he's a fan, he is friends with a few people who own NASCAR teams
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2012, 03:10:40 PM
How can one have lived so long within political and corporate circles and be so utterly clueless about how to interact with people?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2012, 03:14:50 PM
Because all he seems interested in is making money and being successful? He's Duck Phillips come to life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2012, 03:22:44 PM
Pretty much.  To paraphrase a post at BalloonJuice from earlier today, Romney is familiar with life in a section of society that equates prowess/ability with your ability to make a lot of fucking money and not much else, so he's constantly making these fuck ups because internally he thinks THAT'S HOW SOCIETY MEASURES YOUR WORTH.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
PD, you registered to vote in the primary tomorrow?  If so, drive Cheebs to the polls too and do what needs to be done.  Spread some Santorum!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2012, 12:45:17 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2012, 03:10:40 PM
How can one have lived so long within political and corporate circles and be so utterly clueless about how to interact with people?
Give the guy a break, he's only been running for office for twenty years! He's not a career politician!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd8KQDMZ21w
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2012, 03:11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf7R6KSgvhM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 10:49:25 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 28, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
PD, you registered to vote in the primary tomorrow?  If so, drive Cheebs to the polls too and do what needs to be done.  Spread some Santorum!

Santorum needs your help for a strong, frothy surge!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 11:08:18 AM
This video is pretty hot stuff. :drool

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/27/msnbc-host-rachel-maddows-new-favorite-word-vaginal/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2012, 11:56:18 AM
Oh man, dat comments section
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
Obama's going into Beast Mode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inxnx2fPg2g
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2012, 04:16:23 PM
Geez, Mittens and Frothy Rick just got torched.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 28, 2012, 05:02:57 PM
There goes Obama again, spitting on the idea of civility.  :'(



Random question. Not sure if I've asked this before in this thread, but since I don't remember getting a response...

So, I was reading about the Paul Ryan kill-medicare-to-save-medicare plan, and something occurred to me. People on medicare (as well as SS) currently get their benefits that current workers pay into the system. Ryan's plan offers people to opt out of medicare/SS and go into private plans. If people choose to go into those plans, then that means money that would be going to current recipients gets diminished. But the thing is, Ryan said that current beneficiaries won't be effected at all. How exactly is that possible?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2012, 05:10:05 PM
:bow Obama :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2012, 05:39:38 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on February 28, 2012, 05:02:57 PM
There goes Obama again, spitting on the idea of civility.  :'(



Random question. Not sure if I've asked this before in this thread, but since I don't remember getting a response...

So, I was reading about the Paul Ryan kill-medicare-to-save-medicare plan, and something occurred to me. People on medicare (as well as SS) currently get their benefits that current workers pay into the system. Ryan's plan offers people to opt out of medicare/SS and go into private plans. If people choose to go into those plans, then that means money that would be going to current recipients gets diminished. But the thing is, Ryan said that current beneficiaries won't be effected at all. How exactly is that possible?

FAIRY DUST AND RAINBOWS AND PUPPY DOGS AND UNICORNS, THAT'S HOW!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
With gold-backed Libertarian Bucks!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2012, 06:02:06 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/snowe-statement-on-decision-not-to-run-for?ref=fpb

Olympia Snowe isn't running for reelection.  Dems better scramble to put up a decent candidate, because if they do and the GOP puts up a tea party lunatic the seat could easily be in play.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
Olympia Snowe would either be a good RPG or porno name.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2012, 09:28:36 PM
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Looks like Romney is gonna win, he's up 10k on Santorum with 27% reporting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 10:12:18 PM
Dems and ultra conservatives combined couldn't beat Romney, sounds like Mitt's got this presidency in the bag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 28, 2012, 10:15:25 PM
my dreams of Santorum 2012 stickers ... fading ...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2012, 10:26:51 PM
I went to vote after work. There weren't many people there, perhaps because I'm in a rather liberal area (Washtenaw). Almost immediately after I walked up to the polling building (a church) a fat lady wearing a Romney shirt blurted out "are you a democrat!?!" and audibly sighed. Then some other person who I assumed to be a Romney supporter started complaining about young people wasting votes and tampering.

There was an old super skinny lady in Ron Paul stuff handing out pamphlets and she asked me to support Paul. She was so nice and I was still SMHing over Romney's people that I voted for Paul.

SORRY TRIUMPH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2012, 10:29:22 PM
2012: The year nobody gave a fuck, so they just elected Ron Paul because oh well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2012, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on February 28, 2012, 10:15:25 PM
my dreams of Santorum 2012 stickers ... fading ...

Nothing is stickier than Santorum, in any year.





...ooooh, Santorum stickers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
I'm totally blaming this shit on you, Maurice
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2012, 12:49:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6l3N1qJ_ZY&t=11m1s
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2012, 05:18:18 AM
11% in Arizona and 19% in Michigan said they would only vote GOP if their candidate is the nominee.

It broke down pretty evenly in Arizona:
36% Romney
23% Santorum
23% Newt
18% Paul

In Michigan it was:
44% Santorum
27% Romney
18% Paul
9% Newt

In Arizona 11% said they were voting for the person because they dislike the other candidates, in Michigan 16% said this. Romney won those who favored or favored with reservations their candidate, but Santorum ran away with "dislike the other candidates":
51% Santorum
22% Romney
14% Paul
9% Newt

14% in Michigan said Abortion was the most important issue and they voted 77% for Santorum.

Romney won Catholics 44-37, Santorum won all the other Christians 42-40.

Santorum won Democrats 53-18-17-3. (Romney-Paul-Newt)
Romney won Republicans 48-37-6-7.
Romney won independents barely 35-34-21-7.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/states/arizona/exit-polls
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/states/michigan/exit-polls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 29, 2012, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2012, 12:49:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6l3N1qJ_ZY&t=11m1s
:rofl

Couldn't make it out. What did the guy in the audience say?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 29, 2012, 11:01:34 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-thanks-state-he-was-born-and-raised-in-for,27496/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2012, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on February 29, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
Santorum losing the Catholic vote doesn't surprise me.  There's a reason many people think he's an evangelical and it isn't plain ignorance.

Taking a dump on JFK certainly didn't help
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 29, 2012, 01:18:14 PM
Being a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow doesn't help either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2012, 01:24:52 PM
He should have said the distinguished mentally-challenged stuff in Latin, perhaps that would have worked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2012, 01:31:39 PM
I'm just surprised no one tried to appeal to the Juggalo vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 29, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
Santorum has gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 29, 2012, 03:54:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/nlY1J.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 29, 2012, 04:47:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on February 29, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
Santorum has gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

He didn't have to go very far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2012, 11:20:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FWz4d.png)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 29, 2012, 11:36:43 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 09:29:26 AM
More like Pillsbury Doughboy Rising  Again?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
wtf Breitbart died.

Link: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lsolov/2012/03/01/draft/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
If Santorum converts to atheism and Romney is killed when his diamond-encrusted private jet crashes into his Scrooge McDuck money vault, Newt is ready to swoop in and grab the nom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
wtf Breitbart died.

Link: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lsolov/2012/03/01/draft/

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer smear merchant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 01, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
If Santorum converts to atheism and Romney is killed when his diamond-encrusted private jet crashes into his Scrooge McDuck money vault, Newt is ready to swoop in and grab the nom.
Stop stealing memos from the Gingrich campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2012, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
wtf Breitbart died.

Link: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lsolov/2012/03/01/draft/

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer smear merchant.

Don't worry, just think of it as honoring his memory. It's what he would have wanted.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/08/26/57997/breitbart-kennedy-twitter/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 01, 2012, 10:06:42 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 09:29:56 AM
wtf Breitbart died.

Link: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/lsolov/2012/03/01/draft/

I hate to speak ill of the dead, but it couldn't have happened to a nicer smear merchant.

Don't worry, just think of it as honoring his memory. It's what he would have wanted.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/08/26/57997/breitbart-kennedy-twitter/

Yep, fuck that guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 10:26:18 AM
Here's the thing though.

Breitbart LOVED hate from the Left/Democrats/etc.

His entire theory was that conservatives needed to adopt what he thought was the Democrats scorched earth policy in destroying their enemies. Nothing really mattered, just THROW ANY SHIT YOU CAN FIND!

It's why he was orgasming so hard over Shirley Sherrod. He had won either way, either she was a racist or the Obama Admin fucked up by immediately firing her when the full video was already on the (NAACP?) website.

It's why he willingly let the Weiner weiner photos get "taken" from him on Opie and Anthony.

It's why Drudge semi-kicked him out.

Believe in the after life and you have to believe that Brietbart is using the rage to power his troops to join Satan in their plot to make Rick Santorum our God-King.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg206/StickySweater/cenkonb.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2012, 10:46:01 AM
He had four small kids damn  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 10:49:07 AM
I only knew because he used to bring his kids (who I assume had traveled with him) on Red Eye at the end of the show.

He was pretty specific about not wanting to involve his family in his political crap. The one time I ever saw him actually get angry (instead of faux-FOX-angry) was when someone brought up a hotel or something he was staying at.

I'm dicking around a bit on GAF, but I liked the guy when he wasn't in his ALL GOP ATTENTION POLITICS mode.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 01, 2012, 11:21:48 AM
Not a single feel was given
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 01, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 28, 2012, 09:28:36 PM
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Looks like Romney is gonna win, he's up 10k on Santorum with 27% reporting


Just read on Slate that in spite of Romney's "win", the breakdown of the Michigan delegates split evenly between him and Santorum.  Keep hope alive!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 01, 2012, 11:27:18 AM
after this long a primary im pretty sure whoever wins won't have much to work with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 01, 2012, 11:30:14 AM
http://www.theonion.com/video/heartbroken-santorum-condemns-gay-marriage-for-two,27497/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Boogie on March 01, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
Just read on Slate that in spite of Romney's "win", the breakdown of the Michigan delegates split evenly between him and Santorum.  Keep hope alive!
That's a lot of them, NONE of the caucuses will be known until June despite the "vote" counts.

A lot of reports say that Ron Paul at least tied if not outright won Iowa because they got all their people to stay around to become state convention delegates while everyone else bailed after doing the straw poll.

Normally this has never mattered because by the conventions there's no other candidates, and the Democrats in 2008 bound theirs (IIRC), but the Republicans don't. So you could wind up with a situation where Romney wins everything but doesn't have enough delegates to get a first ballot majority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2012, 11:40:27 AM
Quote from: Boogie on March 01, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 28, 2012, 09:28:36 PM
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Looks like Romney is gonna win, he's up 10k on Santorum with 27% reporting


Just read on Slate that in spite of Romney's "win", the breakdown of the Michigan delegates split evenly between him and Santorum.  Keep hope alive!

Yup, the last split I saw was 15-15. Interestingly Santorum lost a district by literally one vote; if he had won that district he'd have the delegate lead for the state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2012, 11:58:33 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 10:35:33 AM
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg206/StickySweater/cenkonb.jpg)

:rofl Ice cold, but worthy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 12:03:38 PM
Is getting Dem-GAF to say "you're a joke" and refusing to respond within like two posts a good sign for me or them?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I know it's for them, since I bothered to engage.

I don't have people to troll in real life for a few months. :(
[close]

You guys should just become stupider to compensate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 01:21:53 PM
Breitbart was a complete dick and an asshole. Won't pretend I have any great sympathy for his passing. Just to show its not a liberal/conservative thing, I also didn't much care for Christopher Hitchens either. The way some people over-reacted like one of the leading thinkers of our time had just passed (Looking at Huffpost) was amusing to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 01:40:37 PM
Yech.  I had to hear a RL friend go on and on about the loss of Hitchens.  STFU.  He was an abrasive prick too.  Both needed a few good lessons in humility.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 01:40:43 PM
I don't think you have to, I mean I think of Hitchens more of a "conservative" (aligned based on his writing being so foreign-policy focused) when he died. I liked Breitbart "personally" as mentioned above, and I liked Hitchens the same but I can separate the politics from the person and also apply the politics to the person.

I don't see any issue with thinking Breitbart is terrible or Hitchens or Kennedy or whoever. Or the reverse and liking them. Anyone sane can feel bad for a family and yet say someone was terrible separating the two.

Breitbart is hardly a favorite in politics but I liked the guy on Red Eye, and Hitchens was another guy who I liked even when I disagreed with them because he could argue well and I thought the way he held his own against anyone is something anyone should investigate.

I know you weren't relating to my bitching, but I was dicking around with people on GAF trying to get them to admit that the Admin deserved some blame for instantly buying Breitbart's bullshit rather than checking a video anyone could instantly view. I don't get how they want to blame Breitbart for it all when he couldn't do shit.

And I got the vibe they were thinking I was a Republican or something because I felt the Obama Admin deserved some blame for believing Breitbart.

It's one of those things I get academically but I hate trying to put the pieces together really.  :lol
Quote from: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 01:40:37 PM
Yech.  I had to hear a RL friend go on and on about the loss of Hitchens.  STFU.  He was an abrasive prick too.  Both needed a few good lessons in humility.
This is part of why me and my friends liked him, but we never thought he was a paragon of humanity. He was honest. And it was that aspect to aspire to.

IIRC, he was one of those "acts" which is why he was always more abrasive on Maher and such (aka friends) me and a friend created a facebook group that wound up with his daughter in it before we both abandoned facebook and she said as much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 01:45:17 PM
Man, I knew the world felt less scummy when I woke up this morning.  Too bad James O'Keefe is still around.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 01:45:36 PM
I'm loving Mittens more and more each day:

Quote
O'REILLY: You know whenever you make a joke like you did at the NASCAR race and you said you saw some people in these cheap little rain coats and you go way to spend the big bucks. And you know you're always going to be portrayed as a rich guy who is out of touch with the folks, condescending to the folks. Am I correct? I mean that's the way you're going to be portrayed no matter what you do?

ROMNEY: Yes, you're probably right. I mean, the narrative that the - - that the Obama people want to push and that members of the mainstream media are very anxious to do for them is that anything I do, the joking around and having fun that somehow that fits their narrative.

O'REILLY: Yes, you're going to be a snob and this, that, and the other thing. So is it worth it for you even to say those things?

ROMNEY: Well you know, it's hard to imagine all the things they're going to try and turn into attacks. I mean, that -- that's the first time you've -- I've heard the one you've mentioned. Look I have worn a garbage bag for rain gear myself. And we're out there in the rain. And the rain was getting us soaked. I didn't -- I didn't have a rain coat myself. I would have liked one of those.

:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 01:40:43 PM
I don't think you have to, I mean I think of Hitchens more of a "conservative" (aligned based on his writing being so foreign-policy focused) when he died.

Which always struck me as weird since Huffingtonpost treated his death like the death of FDR or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 01:49:30 PM
Hitchens was an incredible writer, even if Muslims freaked him out and he wanted to bomb all of them into godless enlightenment or whatever.  Breitbart was just pure scum, a modern PT Barnum who used race as his 3 ring circus.  Other than some children not having a father, there is literally no reason to be sorry for his passing.  Fuck him and anyone who says otherwise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 01:49:45 PM
Well, he did help set it up, and apparently was good friends with Arianna.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with people who liked him.  But I hate how after death people like them get lifted up onto some pedestal that somehow eradicates a lot of their douchebaggery.  And somehow I'm a huge prick if I don't care so much that they're dead.  This goes for all celebs (maybe all people?) too.  Look at GAF when any celebrity dies.  Most recently it was Whitney Houston.  For a moment I was like "Damn.  That really sucks.  She had talent" and then I moved on.  But I go on Facebook and GAF and it's a bandwagon of one-upsmanship about who cared more.  I hate it I hate it I hate it.  I'm not going to pretend I liked the person more than I did or that I somehow just realized their genius and lasting effect on my life.  STFU

Sorry about the rant and getting a bit off topic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Listen, Whitney's been sober for three weeks now, this is awesome for her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with people who liked him.  But I hate how after death people like them get lifted up onto some pedestal that somehow eradicates a lot of their douchebaggery.  And somehow I'm a huge prick if I don't care so much that they're dead.  This goes for all celebs (maybe all people?) too.  Look at GAF when any celebrity dies.  Most recently it was Whitney Houston.  For a moment I was like "Damn.  That really sucks.  She had talent" and then I moved on.  But I go on Facebook and GAF and it's a bandwagon of one-upsmanship about who cared more.  I hate it I hate it I hate it.  I'm not going to pretend I liked the person more than I did or that I somehow just realized their genius and lasting effect on my life.  STFU

Sorry about the rant and getting a bit off topic.

My problem is that there are real thinkers and real great people out there who die all the time. Yet if you were on Real Time with Bill Maher or shot your mouth off like an idiot to get in the public eye then people feel that you were somehow important or special. It's that idea that our public discourse has been hijacked by the loudest+dumbest versus the quality of what people say.

But yeah this is off topic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 02:10:16 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 01, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Listen, Whitney's been sober for three weeks now, this is awesome for her.
:lol :lol :lol 

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with people who liked him.  But I hate how after death people like them get lifted up onto some pedestal that somehow eradicates a lot of their douchebaggery.  And somehow I'm a huge prick if I don't care so much that they're dead.  This goes for all celebs (maybe all people?) too.  Look at GAF when any celebrity dies.  Most recently it was Whitney Houston.  For a moment I was like "Damn.  That really sucks.  She had talent" and then I moved on.  But I go on Facebook and GAF and it's a bandwagon of one-upsmanship about who cared more.  I hate it I hate it I hate it.  I'm not going to pretend I liked the person more than I did or that I somehow just realized their genius and lasting effect on my life.  STFU

Sorry about the rant and getting a bit off topic.

My problem is that there are real thinkers and real great people out there who die all the time. Yet if you were on Real Time with Bill Maher or shot your mouth off like an idiot to get in the public eye then people feel that you were somehow important or special. It's that idea that our public discourse has been hijacked by the loudest+dumbest versus the quality of what people say.

But yeah this is off topic.

Agreed.  In 2012 it was the death of Breitbart and in 2020 we'll hit rock bottom with a live memorial service for Snooki.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 01, 2012, 01:49:30 PM
Hitchens was an incredible writer, even if Muslims freaked him out and he wanted to bomb all of them into godless enlightenment or whatever.
THIS.
Quote
Fuck him and anyone who says otherwise.
NO FUCK YOU!!! OMG11111

Not really, but I think Breitbart did play a valuable role in showing just how fucking stupid the modern media was when he could just on a whim dictate they ran the stories he wanted. I was joking calling him a hero on GAF but the guy got someone in the government somehow fired within hours. And the government didn't check shit. And the response is to blame him, I really don't fucking get it. Shouldn't this be a lesson about who is employed by the government or something?

Instead we're whining that a blogger got some random bureaucrat fired because she is crappy at giving speeches?
Quote from: Mupepe on March 01, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Yeah, I have no problem with people who liked him.  But I hate how after death people like them get lifted up onto some pedestal that somehow eradicates a lot of their douchebaggery.  And somehow I'm a huge prick if I don't care so much that they're dead.  This goes for all celebs (maybe all people?) too.  Look at GAF when any celebrity dies.  Most recently it was Whitney Houston.  For a moment I was like "Damn.  That really sucks.  She had talent" and then I moved on.  But I go on Facebook and GAF and it's a bandwagon of one-upsmanship about who cared more.  I hate it I hate it I hate it.  I'm not going to pretend I liked the person more than I did or that I somehow just realized their genius and lasting effect on my life.  STFU

Sorry about the rant and getting a bit off topic.
This also. The celeb stuff sucks. The only part I differ is that Breitbart is getting a lot of hate (right or wrong) which as I noted above is exactly what he would wanted. Him passing and nobody noticing would have meant more than a bunch of people gloating over his death.

The shitty part is that it's only the Breitbart's and such (anyone not really "important") where you can actually discuss the persons history or role. Michael Jackson was a bloodbath on GAF for anyone making jokes that 24 hours before would have been laughed at by everyone. Then you work in the Heath Ledgers and other modern idols who did...what?
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
Yet if you were on Real Time with Bill Maher or shot your mouth off like an idiot to get in the public eye then people feel that you were somehow important or special. It's that idea that our public discourse has been hijacked by the loudest+dumbest versus the quality of what people say.
I've argued for a while that the role of academy should be to translate things into more common discourse. Even people I know very well are more interested in esoteric academic reviews of some subject and yet they have no grasp of why people reject the fifty studies on how coffee will kill you, save you, make you a demi-god, etc. a year.

If I agree with Santorum on anything, there is a great disconnect here. (And even among what "college educated" think a study says and what it really says.) I can get why it's perceived as "snobbery" when I spend say 15 minutes with any faculty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Sorry, I have no tolerance for anyone who uses race the way Breitbart did.  Basically what you're saying is that because the administration fired Sherrod for the edited video when the full thing was online and available for anyone to watch they look stupid and Breitbart deserves some sort of "credit" for proving how reactionary and stupid they can be.  That's very nice and oh so meta, but the man was fucking scum.  It's like, sure everyone is gonna freak out if I stick my dick in the mashed potatoes, but then I've just ruined a perfectly good bowl of mashed potatoes.  Have some self-restraint and decency.  Breitbart had NONE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2012, 02:47:29 PM
Considering how he acted when Ted Kennedy died, he deserves no punches pulled.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 02:48:33 PM
No, I don't say Breitbart deserves anything, I question why the Administration should avoid blame for being the only one with the authority to do what they did and why we should pass the buck off onto a non-entity internet troll rather than demand the administration stand up for itself and review the actual tape instead of being afraid of being pushed around by a blogger and FOX News with 1/10th of a tape.

But yes, I do say because the administration fired her they look stupid. Because they do. A big bad boogey man blogger said he had a big bad video and they fired someone without checking anything. Sounds stupid to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
I agree that they look stupid for doing so, but they NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD TO LOOK STUPID if some asshole wasn't out there trying to make them look stupid, and the idiot media didn't enable him at every fucking step.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 02:54:11 PM
But that doesn't matter, if they took an hour to look at the fucking video they could have said, look this doesn't mean shit, it's A GOOD THING! Instead they called her to pull over on the side of the road and fired her on the spot without knowing shit.

That's what matters more to me. They got fucking jacked by an internet troll. We're within a decade of Democrats claiming Bush hoodwinked them. Why the hell are we accepting them going from the fucking President pulling the sheet over the eyes of Senators to some blogger with a video of a fucking irrelevant bureaucrat giving a speech they already have the whole damn video of resulting in the executive branch bending over?

It doesn't matter if Breitbart would have or wouldn't have ever done it, someone would have in our internet age. The video was out there. Breitbart got faked, and that let everyone else get faked. Even though the video had been up for a while and was easy to check.

It's like the Van Jones stuff, you can't leave this shit lying around.

Assume your opponents are faithful and you always lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 01, 2012, 02:50:02 PM
I agree that they look stupid for doing so, but they NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD TO LOOK STUPID if some asshole wasn't out there trying to make them look stupid, and the idiot media didn't enable him at every fucking step.

Pretty much this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 02:57:59 PM
Sorry, you're kind of an idiot benji.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 02:58:57 PM
ANDREW BREITBART- COMPLETELY BLAMELESS SCUMFUCKER DIED TODAY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 03:02:05 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 01, 2012, 02:57:59 PM
Sorry, you're kind of an idiot benji.
I have never denied this.

My point is, if you don't want this shit out there, don't leave it out there.

I just don't understand how it's Breitbart's fault for making this shit known when the Obama Admin could have easily taken care of it by ignoring an internet troll.

Just in case it's been missed, I never EVER though it was a scandal, it's just been beyond fucked up as a response which allowed the Hannity types to make it a "scandal" in retrospect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2012, 03:47:41 PM
Because the media, in a falling all over themselves effort to appear NOT LIBERAL, will basically just parrot anything Breitbart decides to feature in his circus.  They did, too, in the early stages of it.  So it's an issue whether the administration wants to deal with it or not, and they felt (wrongly, but whatever) the quickest way to dispense with it is to fire her and be done with it.  Is that dumb?  Sure.  Do I understand why they felt they had to do it?  Absolutely.

What you're saying is that the guy who creates a trumped up scandal is completely blameless for anything that happens as a result of it, which is completely distinguished mentally-challenged.  Also, if Sherrod had ACTUALLY said something reprehensible then Breitbart wouldn't have been a dick.  Let's remember that it was BREITBART who put together and put out there the edited video misrepresenting her.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2012, 03:52:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYN-Awrq3og

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 04:04:19 PM
*Wrote this a bit back but had issues sorry*

This probably makes me a dick, but I wanted to make this reply since I respect Creepy Old Guy and most everyone here.

I like Breitbart as a person from his appearances on Red Eye, I like Breitbart as someone who fucks with the media.

Beyond that I am not endorsing Breitbart.

I think, STRONGLY, that the Obama Admin fucked up the Sherrod situation by immediately firing her. 

I do not give a shit who brought it up, the Obama Admin should have found some balls and reviewed the tape, as she was in the right.

THAT is my criticism, that is my point. I simply cannot fathom why people are trying to defend this. Who gives a fucking fuck if it was Breitbart or Drudge or Beck or Hannity or whoever. Beck apparently took down Van Jones. Breitbart got Sherrod. I'm iffy on Van Jones but Sherrod should have been defended. If you're competent you can defend this, turn back the "right-wing" and get a "win" from it ffs.

Breitbart tried to stick the Admin and they FUCKED IT UP.

THEY KNEW ABOUT THE VIDEO!!!

I'm an insane idiot, but this was the most obvious parry known to man. It's a not scandal they let become a scandal and fuel those fucking Hannity scumbags for weeks.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 01, 2012, 03:47:41 PM
Because the media, in a falling all over themselves effort to appear NOT LIBERAL, will basically just parrot anything Breitbart decides to feature in his circus.  They did, too, in the early stages of it.  So it's an issue whether the administration wants to deal with it or not, and they felt (wrongly, but whatever) the quickest way to dispense with it is to fire her and be done with it.  Is that dumb?  Sure.  Do I understand why they felt they had to do it?  Absolutely.

What you're saying is that the guy who creates a trumped up scandal is completely blameless for anything that happens as a result of it, which is completely distinguished mentally-challenged.  Also, if Sherrod had ACTUALLY said something reprehensible then Breitbart wouldn't have been a dick.  Let's remember that it was BREITBART who put together and put out there the edited video misrepresenting her.
No, no, no, Breitbart IS to blame.

But not to blame as much as the Admin!

Breitbart is a media whore, but it was up to the admin to decide if he had legit shit or not. I agree, I know why they did it. But THEY DID IT IN THE SAME DAY, you can stall this shit. The video wasn't unknown.

Say the Obama camp lets it linger for a few hours why they talk to her and find the video, this hits and the media ignores it and in 24 hours you're off to something else.

They made it a story for a few days for FOX and like just by canning Sherrod.

I think it's worth a chance because of the time it takes to watch the video. Someone could say within an hour if they put the whole thing out or not. Instead they just canned her.

You let it linger a bit, let Hannity get out there THERE'S A RACIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE CONTROLLING YOUR MORTGAGE! And then the video comes out Sherrod saying she wants to assist everyone equally and you deflate a lot more than if you get the former but THEN fire her. You can't then do the backup with the actual video.

Apologies Creepy if I'm harping about this, I just think, it like the birth certificate crap is something you can instantly end for 95% of people and ignore the rest. But if you do it the way the Obama camp has just invites stupid speculation.

Didn't mean it to be a whole thing.











RICK SANTORUM 2012.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2012, 04:33:21 PM
I don't really buy the "he wanted people to be mad, so he won" thing.

Seems just as likely that he would have taken a lack of attention from the media as proof that his dangerous truths were being suppressed by a huge and powerful liberal conspiracy who feared him.  There's a certain personality that is eager to interpret just about any reaction by others as proof of their own importance and righteousness.  I never met the guy, but boy howdy does he fit the profile.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2012, 04:53:10 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2012, 04:33:21 PM
I don't really buy the "he wanted people to be mad, so he won" thing.

Seems just as likely that he would have taken a lack of attention from the media as proof that his dangerous truths were being suppressed by a huge and powerful liberal conspiracy who feared him.  There's a certain personality that is eager to interpret just about any reaction by others as proof of their own importance and righteousness.  I never met the guy, but boy howdy does he fit the profile.
That's also possible.

From my perspective, Breitbart in particular loved the "liberal" attention. It wasn't like a lot of the others, he wanted them actively coming at him. You could read the disappointment on his face when he was being ignored and had nobody to battle.

Breitbart at this "peak":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMGb0mpOKrs
You can tell how he loves it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2012, 07:42:32 PM
Breitbart had four young kids. No matter how much I disagreed with him on things, I can't help but feel horrible for his family and this situation. The shitty things he has said become irrelevant at that point, at least for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 01, 2012, 07:44:56 PM
the shitty things he said & did fucked people over and played into people's nasty hatreds.  i feel bad for his kids but i cant say i really give a fuck about his death.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
You don't know him. I don't mean that in a nasty way but a real way. And thousands of people die every day leaving family behind. Because he was in the public eye people feel they have more of a connection with these kind of people than all the regular people that die in your local newspaper everyday.  You don't have to post you feel sorry for the kids. It's a given.  Everybody feels sorry for kids who lose a parent. Or for that matter who have shitty parents. It's one of those things that's a given that people feel the need to say aloud.

Hopefully his conservative friends whom he carried water for kick in and help out the family since he did enough dirt and mudslinging for a lifetime for them.

He was still a complete and utter asshole. Even shitty people leave behind nice people in their wake. It doesn't excuse their shittiness.

And with that I'm through talking about Breitbart. Too many actual decent human beings left behind for me to pretend about him. And yeah I know I'm being an a-hole here but that's how I really feel. Real Talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 01, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
  Everybody feels sorry for kids who lose a parent. Or for that matter who have shitty parents. It's one of those things that's a given that people feel the need to say aloud.


i say it (and i assume lots of people do this also) because people tend to jump on you when you're not sympathetic to someone's passing.  saying i feel bad for his kids is a way of showing that i'm not completely unsympathetic to his death but that i'm also not exactly sad because he made his living doing really shitty things.


when dick cheney dies though, i'm throwing a fucking party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2012, 08:57:04 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 01, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
when dick cheney dies though, i'm throwing a fucking party.

Well, first Dick Cheney would have to be physically capable of dying and I'm not so sure he is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2012, 10:47:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5OWRRJh-PI
holy shit, the president of Ireland is a boss  :lol

A US president could never get away with this type of rant, or calling someone a wanker :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 02, 2012, 03:59:02 AM
Wow that's amazing.  Makes me so happy to be a young American.  I love how our country is perceived by Europe sometimes at the moment!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2012, 09:25:03 AM
That was pretty awesome. :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2012, 10:42:32 AM
No jerb numbers this week. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 02, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
THey took er jerb numbers! :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2012, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2012, 10:47:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5OWRRJh-PI
holy shit, the president of Ireland is a boss  :lol

A US president could never get away with this type of rant, or calling someone a wanker :bow

Full clip here:

http://www.newstalk.ie/2010/news-blog/the-right-hook-michael-graham-and-michael-d-higgins/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2012, 06:01:14 PM
Remember back when Republicans were slapping themselves on the back over the "mess" that the Democratic nomination was in with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? Yeah...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2012, 06:36:37 PM
And yet they changed their primary season so it would look like the democrat one in 08, enthusing the base over a long hard fought but healthy process. Whoops. Turns out none of their candidates inspire enthusiasm or love from supporters, outside of Ron Paul or course. And instead of creating healthy competition among impressive candidates, all this has done is create a poisonous environment where each candidate attempts to rip the other to shreds - making them all unelectable in the process as they attempt to out-extreme each other.

How does Romney pivot to the center after this disasterous primary season? He just came out in support of the ridiculous contraception bill that would allow all health insurance providers to not cover contraception on the grounds of religious freedom. He's argued all illegal immigrants should go through a "self deportation" process. He wants to attack Iran asap.

It seems like if Europe doesn't explode, the economy doesn't implode again, and Bibi doesn't start a war with Iran than Obama is set
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2012, 06:58:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2012, 06:36:37 PM
How does Romney pivot to the center after this disasterous primary season? He just came out in support of the ridiculous contraception bill that would allow all health insurance providers to not cover contraception on the grounds of religious freedom. He's argued all illegal immigrants should go through a "self deportation" process. He wants to attack Iran asap.

I'm predicting lots of flipping, with a healthy dash of flopping.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2012, 08:50:46 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/VanillaFire1000/ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuush.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Problem_We_All_Live_With

That cartoon is probably one of the most ridiculous false equivalencies I've ever seen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
I used Tineye to try to find other people talking about it to figure out what it was trying to say, no luck.

I did find this, though.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/2hwk6pz.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2012, 12:30:43 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 03, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
Japan?  Is he suggesting we attack Japan?

And South Korea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 03, 2012, 12:44:31 AM
God, editorial cartoons are such a blight on civilization.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2012, 02:57:57 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 02, 2012, 09:44:13 PM
I can't possibly understand what that comic is trying to say.  Why are the guards Rush's enemies.  WTF.

Yep.  Maybe the real message is that large mainstream organizations like the NFL and liberal media actually protect Limbaugh from the criticism he deserves, and so wind up unwittingly allied with "true racism."  Or maybe he was trying to make the comparison less offensive by rendering it completely incomprehensible.

Quote from: Boogie on March 03, 2012, 12:44:31 AM
God, editorial cartoons are such a blight on civilization.

If you posted this on Reddit, I'd upvote it.

If I had a Reddit account.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 03:13:08 AM
I'd upvote it on Reddit if I knew what Reddit was
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 03, 2012, 09:14:44 AM
Didn't the state department recently make progress with north Korea and their nukes? Did I dream that? I remember reading about it butnit wasn't big news apparently.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 03, 2012, 01:56:02 PM
I tried to interpret that as saying that the lib media, NFL, and "true racism" are all part of the government (which is bad, since it's a Mike Lester comic), but that still doesn't make any fucking sense!  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2012, 02:02:48 PM
I think the proper interpretation is that the artist is a moron who doesn't understand what the original painting was about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2012/03/has-limbaugh-identified-the-gops-woman-problem.html#ixzz1o4u6ewJD

Quote
"So, Ms. Fluke and the rest of you feminazis, here’s the deal: If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it.

And I’ll tell you what it is. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 02:27:09 PM
I refuse to be trolled by Rush
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2012, 02:29:26 PM
I actually agree with Rush on this. Women on government-paid contraception should post their sex videos online. But only the hot ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 02:33:17 PM
Sadly there are ten Janet Renos for every one Kristen Gillibrand on the gov payroll

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2012, 02:33:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2012, 02:33:17 PM
Sadly there are ten Janet Renos for every one Kristen Gillibrand on the gov payroll

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 03, 2012, 04:46:35 PM
Speaking of which, the Limbaugh backlash seemed to be a little bit more severe than I thought it would be. Hopefully this'll have legs, but it'll probably die down pretty quick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
By Limbaugh's logic, we'd all be watching tape of his colonoscopy once he got on Medicare.  No thankee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 03, 2012, 07:43:59 PM
I'm still surprised he survived calling New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin a "Nagger".

Since he's such an objectively terrible person, nothing he says can really shock people too badly, I mean, c'mon, he barely gave a half-assed apology for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE).  The only thing that will ever stop him is if he's so very awful that no sponsors want to touch his program no matter how good his ratings are (getting Glenn Beck'ed), but also he's got a direct marketing line to his sizable audience, so he really is too big to fail.

fuck that guy, BTW.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2012, 07:38:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfmX03cQDZ8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2012, 11:18:25 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120303/NEWS01/303030114

Ohio Gov. John Kasich turns down federal disaster aid because the federal govt. is for getting all up in women's uterii but STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OHIO WHEN IT GETS RAVAGED BY TORNADOES, BITCHES!  DON'T TREAD ON ME!

I find it hard to be sympathetic to stupid people when they get what they voted for, good and hard even.  Enjoy, idiots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2012, 11:22:22 PM
I'm sure the people living in cardboard boxes are applauding his courage to keep big government out of our disaster areas. Something something FEMA camps.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2012, 11:57:16 PM
If Ohio can handle it on their own, more power to them. I doubt they can handle the housing problem tornadoes cost though, and I had heard an entire town got destroyed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 03:23:11 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/and-so-we-enter-the-part-of-the-rush-saga-where-he-attacks-rap-music.php?ref=fpa

Gotta respect Rush's tenacious trolling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/


Quote
But the second part is this idea that asking the rich to pitch in is "punishing" them.

So, Rich Guy, let me explain this as calmly and logically as I can:

Are you fucking 6 years old? Do you still think mom made you clean up your room because she was mean? In the adult world, we get asked to do things because shit needs to get done. It has nothing to do with fairness, it has nothing to do with judging you. It has nothing to do with you at all. There's a whole world out there, with people who need helping and projects that need accomplishing.

You're only being asked to pitch in because you have the resources. You're not a tall person who us dwarfs are jealously trying to cut down to size. You're a tall person being asked to get something down from a very tall shelf because nobody else can fucking reach it.

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 05, 2012, 04:24:41 PM
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/03/rush_limbaugh_bust_missouri_state_capitol.php (http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/03/rush_limbaugh_bust_missouri_state_capitol.php)

GOD WHY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
McCain calls for US-led regime change in Syria (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0305/Senator-McCain-calls-for-war-in-Syria).

Meanwhile Israel seems bent on attacking Iran.

Fun times!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:08:37 PM
I'm glad that guy isn't president

Fuck the China/Russia UN Security Council, let's drop bombs. Seriously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 05, 2012, 05:10:35 PM
it worked for bush
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
I may be forgetting details but I don't remember Russia or China giving too much of a shit about Saddam/Iraq back then

*waits for Mandark to google*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2012, 05:14:52 PM
EDIT: oops scrolled right past it when checking.
Quote from: Oblivion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYN-Awrq3og
Cain standing on the cliff is too much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 05, 2012, 05:16:06 PM
Oh my God we've gone beyond the pale haven't we?

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
McCain calls for US-led regime change in Syria (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0305/Senator-McCain-calls-for-war-in-Syria).

Meanwhile Israel seems bent on attacking Iran.

Fun times!

2012, Mandark  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2012, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2012, 05:14:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYN-Awrq3og

Go back one page.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4aXOth9hQ
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
I may be forgetting details but I don't remember Russia or China giving too much of a shit about Saddam/Iraq back then

*waits for Mandark to google*

IIRC France wound up being the sticking point for a resolution to use force.  I read an account where a US official said they assumed the French were just posturing and would give in eventually.  So the Bush admin sort of rationalized the attack by citing an earlier UN resolution on access for weapons inspectors, even though they didn't have the endorsement of the UN.

Anyways, from what I've read the Assad regime is in a lot stronger position than the Qaddafi regime was, with a better army, a less organized/powerful insurgency, and more allies and proxies that could retaliate against Israel and US interests.  Plus a full air campaign with the goal of toppling Assad would mean co-ordinating with the rebels, which probably means sending in at least some special forces to establish contact, and then you sustain the bombing for at least a year...


I think there's a tendency, when a bombing campaign goes relatively right (the Balkans, Libya), to whitewash the costs, risks, and failures that came with it, and to think of the USAF as an Easy Button for dealing with leaders we don't like.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4aXOth9hQ
:rofl


Good a time as any to post this, which has been going around:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 06:11:01 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:01:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
I may be forgetting details but I don't remember Russia or China giving too much of a shit about Saddam/Iraq back then

*waits for Mandark to google*

IIRC France wound up being the sticking point for a resolution to use force.  I read an account where a US official said they assumed the French were just posturing and would give in eventually.  So the Bush admin sort of rationalized the attack by citing an earlier UN resolution on access for weapons inspectors, even though they didn't have the endorsement of the UN.

Anyways, from what I've read the Assad regime is in a lot stronger position than the Qaddafi regime was, with a better army, a less organized/powerful insurgency, and more allies and proxies that could retaliate against Israel and US interests.  Plus a full air campaign with the goal of toppling Assad would mean co-ordinating with the rebels, which probably means sending in at least some special forces to establish contact, and then you sustain the bombing for at least a year...


I think there's a tendency, when a bombing campaign goes relatively right (the Balkans, Libya), to whitewash the costs, risks, and failures that came with it, and to think of the USAF as an Easy Button for dealing with leaders we don't like.

True but then again France is no Russia. Or China. Both have ties to Syria's regime politically and economically. And as you pointed out, the situation on the ground is quite different from Libya where there was a solidified opposition vs a not particularly impressive army. With Syria there is no real opposition that can be armed or coordinated, and Syria's army is formidable.

In many ways Libya was like pressing the ezpz mode button, at least from a US perspective. That wouldn't be the case with Syria, or Iran I might add.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
http://agoodcartoon.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2012, 06:24:42 PM
Plus, the context of the times are completely different.

In late 2002-early 2003, the US is still enjoying its unilateral moment.  Its relative decline in power had not begun.  Russia and China weren't as assertive.  Russia was barely two years removed from the chaotic Boris Yeltsin years.  China, though rising, wasn't the self-evident and confident power that it is today.

Add in that not even two years had passed since the 9/11 attacks, and no state was going to put real, serious effort at getting in America's way.  In that sense, it is telling that the biggest obstacle to the attack on Iraq was France, a country that, in the big picture, is a US ally.

Contrast with today.  Russia turned itself around and has reasserted itself through its oil power.  China is the clear number 2 power on the planet, and confident of such.  And the U.S. has spent a decade mired in inconclusive warfare, a superpower bogged down in "colonial" counterinsurgency affairs, a devastating economic crisis, etc.


It isn't that China/Russia "didn't give a shit" about Iraq back then, but somehow do about Syria and/or Iran today.  It's that enough has changed over a decade in the relative balance of power that they feel confident enough to assert themselves on the subjects that they "give a shit" about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 05, 2012, 06:30:14 PM
my comparison was based soley on the fact that the push for the iraq war was led by a lot of people who said "fuck the u.n. let's blow em up" and now with syria mccain is saying "fuck the u.n. let's blow em up"

CALM DOWN YOU NERDS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:31:24 PM
Speaking of the Limbaugh/Fluke thing, I finally read his original comments.

Something to the effect of "she's having so much sex she can't afford birth control."  I know a million people must have pointed this out, but does Rush Limbaugh not understand how the pill works?  Are there adults out there who don't know this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 05, 2012, 06:32:56 PM
it's not the man's responsibility to know how it works, only to control who can receive it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2012, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 05, 2012, 06:30:14 PM
my comparison was based soley on the fact that the push for the iraq war was led by a lot of people who said "fuck the u.n. let's blow em up" and now with syria mccain is saying "fuck the u.n. let's blow em up"

CALM DOWN YOU NERDS

I actually thought I was giving a counterpoint to PD, not you.  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 05, 2012, 06:46:27 PM
in that case carry on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 06:59:42 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:31:24 PM
Speaking of the Limbaugh/Fluke thing, I finally read his original comments.

Something to the effect of "she's having so much sex she can't afford birth control."  I know a million people must have pointed this out, but does Rush Limbaugh not understand how the pill works?  Are there adults out there who don't know this?

you sin, and then the pill aborts the consequence?!?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 05, 2012, 07:05:44 PM
Maddow made the same argument last week regarding Limbaugh and him definitely not knowing basic biology. Kept replaying various points of him saying that the more sex women have the more birth control they need. Its hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 07:07:43 PM
A 1:1 ratio of pills per sperm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
You'll have to forgive Rush, his previous experiences with pills have lead him to believe that increased dosages are the norm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 05, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1oOjKQflN0#!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2012, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 05, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
You'll have to forgive Rush, his previous experiences with pills have lead him to believe that increased dosages are the norm.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2012, 07:50:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1oOjKQflN0#!

oh that was painful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Inspector Thatcher on March 05, 2012, 08:29:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1oOjKQflN0#!

That's some incredibly high-class contribution to the public debate there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 05, 2012, 09:26:15 PM
Unsurprisingly, Rush Limbaugh (and Glenn Beck if anyone still remembers who he is) is a huge macfag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2012, 10:57:33 PM
Wow, Ann is definitely a Romney, that's for sure.

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4aXOth9hQ
:rofl


Good a time as any to post this, which has been going around:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

Ahem:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1457963#msg1457963
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 11:13:31 PM
We've got you on ignore due to spam, Mr. I Work For Obama. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2012, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 11:13:31 PM
We've got you on ignore due to spam, Mr. I Work For Obama. :smug

I was like you all once.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
you see what happens, you see what happens?

Quote
    Despite growing disappointment in his handling of immigration issues, Latino voters favor President Barack Obama by six-to-one over any of the Republican presidential hopefuls, showed a Fox News Latino poll conducted under the direction of Latin Insights and released Monday.

    ...

    While the poll indicates that four of five Latinos who voted for Obama in 2008 would vote for him later this year, Latinos who voted for Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain four years ago are now divided between voting for Obama and the Republican candidates. Forty percent said that they favored Obama while 38 percent said they would vote for Romney. Obama also leads Santorum 38 percent to 34, and Gingrich 40 percent to 38.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/fox-poll-obama-edges-gopers-even-with-latinos
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 12:53:27 AM
Ah, proof that trying to alienate the fasting growing minority group in the country is paying expected dividends!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 06, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 05, 2012, 07:09:42 PM
You'll have to forgive Rush, his previous experiences with pills have lead him to believe that increased dosages are the norm.

I said god damn.  :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 01:00:31 AM
When I pull out the dagger, I USE THE MOTHERFUCKER.

Here's a bonus awesome fb response that some confused libertarian just gave me in the course of trying to convince me to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.

Quote from: confused paultard
Ron Paul has the best supporters outta all the Republican candidates.. I have never seen a Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich bumper sticker, I have never seen any of those clowns fill up a place as much Paul when it comes to rallies, there was protest in Washington D.C where Military Veterans attended with their back faced the White House and of course no Mainstream Media coverage of the event.. Ron Paul gets the most donations from Veterans then all other 3 candidates combined.. He must be doing something good if no one is willing to give him real coverage, less talking time and cuts his mike off when it comes to issues..

I was all whaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2012, 01:07:13 AM
The fact that Ron Paul isn't winning PROVES there's a conspiracy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 06, 2012, 08:50:26 AM
My friend's girlfriend (who is not my friend on FB) posts all these conspiracy articles about how Ron Paul is actually going to have the most delegates at the convention and how they've been throwing away ballots from Ron Paul supporters.  Of course there's no evidence.  The only evidence is that Ron Paul isn't winning.  They just can't comprehend that someone doesn't agree with him.  If he's losing it's because there's a vast conspiracy against.  It's impossible to think that it's just no one gives a shit about him.

Edit: She's also a truther.  She just discovered the Loose Change videos and was posting tons of them.  And now my friend is a believer too :'( :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
A girl I know thought that the earthquake in Haiti was caused by some secret machine operated by the US government.  Luckily she's too uninterested in politics generally to become an activist type, and hardly ever talks about this stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 06, 2012, 12:21:47 PM
See I don't have any problem with people that have crazy beliefs if they're not all out trying to shove them in everyone's face.  I mainly stay away from political talk IRL unless the person will not stop pushing it.  But this girl loves to bring crap up all the time.  Everything is an outrage and a conspiracy.  And the sources she links to are political blogs (like Ron Paul Daily) or those youtube videos that start with "MUST SEE"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 12:25:50 PM
I expect crazy from Paulites so my only reaction is that of glee. I prefer dealing with the slightly more realistic ones, ie those who claim Paul will magically have 500 delegates at the convention and use them in some masterful way that will CHANGE EVERYTHING. Like Ridleyscott on GAF, and a couple real life acquaintances

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 12:28:52 PM
Now another libertopian is telling me that if we have more "freedom" in the marketplace it will stop crony capitalism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 06, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 12:25:50 PM
I expect crazy from Paulites so my only reaction is that of glee. I prefer dealing with the slightly more realistic ones, ie those who claim Paul will magically have 500 delegates at the convention and use them in some masterful way that will CHANGE EVERYTHING. Like Ridleyscott on GAF, and a couple real life acquaintances
Those are the worst.  Because when you try to ask them how they plan on doing that they deflect with "you just don't know how the nomination process works!" to which I can only respond with "And you definitely don't."

I really, really hope no candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination.  Oh god.  It would be hilarious

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 06, 2012, 12:28:52 PM
Now another libertopian is telling me that if we have more "freedom" in the marketplace it will stop crony capitalism.
Just take the high road and start talking about Paul's shriveled dick.  Yes.  That is the high road in that conversation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
Romney will have it sewn up by mid-late May I would imagine.  In reality he's going to win the nomination no matter what due to the vast resource advantage (read: piles of money) he has over his competitors, but he's a weak candidate that base GOP voters have to talk themselves into tepidly supporting so this will drag out over time.  Also, Newt Gingrich is a petty, vindictive bastard (remember he shut the government down because Clinton made him sit at the back of Air Force One) who will stay in the race just to annoy Romney.  God Bless you, Newtron.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 06, 2012, 12:50:51 PM
Don't forget that Paul is going to stay in until the last minute because he's secretly racking up those delegates!

BTW, check your PM's!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 01:02:59 PM
I just checked my pm box, emails sent.  Don't open those at work! :P

As for Paul, it's not going to matter by the time the media has parroted the "Romney is the nominee" line when he theoretically has the delegates.  But yeah he's going to stay in for as long as he wants because Libertarians are very stupid with their money, ironically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2012, 01:03:38 PM
I went to my idiot ex-roommates' place the other day (who I will be cutting off all ties to soon) posted a screed on FB about how the lazy college students feel entitled to get an education, and capped it off with that Kennedy quote "ask not what your country etc..". He was quite proud of himself, but sadly didn't seem to take to kindly when I told him that Kennedy campaigned on, and increased federal funding for education.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 06, 2012, 01:11:42 PM
:bow Creepy Old Guy :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 06, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4aXOth9hQ
:rofl


Good a time as any to post this, which has been going around:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

A $3000 per month mortgage doesn't get you a palace in new york
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ64KQCY7ro

Fox News, fighting the good fight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 06, 2012, 03:48:09 PM
You could almost sense the smirk on Ed's face. What a stupid fucking question. Where the integrity at?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 03:49:59 PM
"Oh man, $8 gas. I can't afford to go to work, it would be a waste of money! Thanks a lot Obama, I'm still voting for your dumb ass in November tho"



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2012, 04:07:16 PM
I did my part today by voting for Frothy Rick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 06, 2012, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on March 06, 2012, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2012, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2012, 05:34:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4aXOth9hQ
:rofl


Good a time as any to post this, which has been going around:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

A $3000 per month mortgage doesn't get you a palace in new york

My mortgage in Seattle is $3,000 a month. 1,800 square foot brick house with no back yard. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on March 06, 2012, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ64KQCY7ro

Fox News, fighting the good fight

I say this with all sincerity... I love your president.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 09:12:26 PM
fuuuuuuuuck yeah looks like Santorum won Tennessee. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2012, 09:21:46 PM
 Supertardsday
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on March 06, 2012, 09:21:47 PM
Santorum is winning Ohio :lol

Cue the chaos
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 06, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
Santorum for America  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 09:29:51 PM
Dave Weigel is saying many Romney areas haven't reported yet. He'll squeak out a win most likely

edit: oh shit, Santorum's lead is expanding
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 09:41:00 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/fivethirtyeight/status/177222111138553857
this can't be life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 09:43:44 PM
One thing working against Santorum is that apparently there were some districts where he didn't qualify in Ohio so Romney may run the score up against him there.  I'm cautiously optimistic tho... losing Ohio is disastrous for Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 06, 2012, 09:45:36 PM
jesus romney is a fucking joke  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 06, 2012, 09:46:00 PM
Are there trees in Ohio?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 06, 2012, 10:15:12 PM
Cnn's county by county analysis indicates santmentum to me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 10:23:35 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/live-coverage-super-tuesday/?src=twt&twt=fivethirtyeight#democratic-vote-may-prove-decisive-in-ohio

THE FIRST RULE OF PROJECT MAYHEM IS THAT YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT PROJECT MAYHEM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 10:26:54 PM
ooooh shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 06, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
I was just gonna post that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 10:31:26 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/markos/status/177233672297127936

 :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2012, 10:35:28 PM
38% Santorum
36% Romney

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

(that's in Ohio, 67% precincts voting)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
Santorum's lead is down to less than 1% (a little more than 7k votes) with 73% reporting.  Not sure if he can do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 10:43:40 PM
Let's not forget that Santorum failed to qualify for multiple district ballots in Ohio, and yet he's still close to winning the state. Whether he wins or not the message has to be LOL Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Also, Romney outspent Santorum 5-1 in Ohio.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2012, 10:46:20 PM
There's still a sliver of hope for Santormonium.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on March 06, 2012, 10:49:27 PM
waitress at my work: "I voted for Santorum because I think Obama would be more likely to beat him."

fffffffffUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 10:55:27 PM
Looks like Kucinich is going to lose the dem primary pretty badly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 06, 2012, 10:55:29 PM
My uncle today @ dinner: "Santorum is a pretty smart man"...

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 10:56:47 PM
Quote from: drew on March 06, 2012, 10:49:27 PM
waitress at my work: "I voted for Santorum because I think Obama would be more likely to beat him."

fffffffffUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

That's a better reason than any conceivable reason to vote for Ron Paul, who is a laughingstock.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 06, 2012, 10:58:59 PM
I don't know, I have it on good authority that the Jewish run establishment in cooperation with the Bilderberg Group has been systematically removing Ron Paul votes at the primaries.  It's why the primaries appear to have such a low turnout.  The reality is that turnout is higher than ever, the gap is all of the Ron Paul votes thrown away :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 11:00:01 PM
I think Santorum can't win.  Cuyahoga and Hamilton counties aren't done reporting and Romney is crushing him in those two.  Looks like Romney will take it by less than 4k votes is my guess.  If Santorum had gotten on the ballot in all the districts, he probably wins.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 11:09:21 PM
And Romney takes the lead.   :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2012, 11:14:45 PM
NBC just said they won't call Ohio tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 06, 2012, 11:14:45 PM
NBC just said they won't call Ohio tonight.

TYPICAL LIBRUL ELITE MEDIA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2012, 11:28:33 PM
Jean Schmidt lost her primary run tonight. Good fucking riddance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FZ_nxmf0Y
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2012, 11:38:11 PM
Kucinich is losing his primary as well.  GOODNIGHT SWEET PRINCE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on March 07, 2012, 01:21:13 AM
same waitress a couple days earlier: "if I had my way we would do away with elections entirely and make Obama KING!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 01:33:57 AM
Is she black?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 07, 2012, 01:40:29 AM
Regardless that Romney will probably win Ohio, they'll split the delegates.  This is still a victory in Santorum's eyes.  Fucking lol at Romney, what an awful candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 01:42:35 AM
Ron Paul got 40% against Romney in Virginia, where they were the only two candidates on the ballot. Utterly amazing. This guy is the worst nominee of a major party since Dukakis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on March 07, 2012, 01:46:04 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 01:33:57 AM
Is she black?

nope
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 07, 2012, 02:17:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/N0x84.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2012, 02:20:53 AM
What's really awesome is that if Obama beats Romney badly at all, I can pretty much guarantee you that the next nominee will be a total wingnut culture warrior.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 02:43:37 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 07, 2012, 02:05:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 01:42:35 AM
Ron Paul got 40% against Romney in Virginia, where they were the only two candidates on the ballot. Utterly amazing. This guy is the worst nominee of a major party since Dukakis
god I remember when people said the same thing Ahoy mccain, and mccain beat romney.

Yup, and at least McCain was a decorated war hero with a relatively respected legislative record on some issues. Same with Kerry, who didn't enthuse his base either. Both candidates had a lot of problems but had positives to fall back on. What does Romney have to fall back on? A governorship record he can't talk about, including the crowning achievement of his term (health care, which is popular and successful in MA)? His business career flipping and repackaging companies while firing everyone?

If the economy continues to get better, I really don't see what Romney can run on outside of sabre rattling Iran, plus the various "America v Obama" insinuations.

I just want to see the freakout if Obama wins big again. He's either going to lose a close election or win on 08 or bigger levels, thanks to demographics
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 07, 2012, 03:04:15 AM
Wonder how much the Repubs voter suppression laws will effect the election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2012, 03:21:28 AM
So, looking ahead to the rest of March...

March 10th:
Kansas caucuses- Romney has so far demonstrated a patent inability to win in the mid-West.  Santorum should take this one.

March 13th:
Alabama- Romney has also had trouble winning in the deep South.  Not sure where the polling is at on this one... Santorum or Newt?  Of note, this is an open primary, so the nine democrats in the state will probably all vote for NotRomney.
Mississippi- See above.  ANOTHER open primary in the deep South.
Hawaii- Romney probably wins this one.  Smallest amount of delegates up for grabs on this date, however.

March 18th:
Puerto Rico- Holy shit, there's actually more delegates at stake here than in Hawaii.  I wonder how many people will bother showing up to a Republican primary in Puerto Rico... what's that you say?  OPEN PRIMARY??? Don't mind if I do!

March 20th:
Illinois- Romney probably wins here.  Open primary tho, and obviously a lot of delegates at stake.

March 24th:
Louisiana- Closed primary.  Can Romney win here?  Doubtful.

So that's like 2 out of 7 more contests this month I'd call Romney a lock for, with Puerto Rico and Lousiana being potential wildcards.  If Newt would just GET THE FUCK OUT I think Santorum could become the NotRomney of choice and take this thing to the convention potentially.  Either way though, I foresee a long, drawn out Bataan death march to the necessary number of delegates for Romney, potentially not even until the California primary which is winner-take-all on June 5th.  And as we've seen so far, the longer this goes on the worse Romney looks... his unfavorables are so upside down now I really think it would take a messy war with Iran and the $10 gas that would go along with it to sink Obama.  Which I don't put past certain scumfuckers to try and manufacture, either.  But I'm cautiously optimistic at this point that Obama should win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2012, 06:33:52 AM
Joe the Plumber won his primary. :lol  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 07, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
So Romney won 6, Santorum 3, and Gingrich 1?  And Paul????  CONSPIRACY!!!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2012, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 07, 2012, 06:33:52 AM
Joe the Plumber won his primary. :lol  :-\

I honestly can't think of a better person to represent the GOP!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
Apparently Sandra Fluke is an Obama foot soldier sent to stir up controversy to distract people from the economy. - Eric Bolling/Faux News

With this theory, looks like Limbaugh is in on it too, dumbass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2012, 03:27:03 PM
Oh man, I had no idea that Joe the Plumber is the nominee for district Kucinich just lost. That would have been AWESOME

:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
:drudge check out the front page of Drudge lmao
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/07/buzzefeed-selectively-edits-obama-tape

This clip is old, and appeared in a PBS doc about Obama years ago. Breitbart's folks claim to have the full video, which will be shown tonight on Hannity. Considering liberal and conservative students made Obama president of the Harvard Review, and the racial diversity in the crowd he's speaking at in the group, I find it very unlikely he says anything ridiculous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nyyVo9CPY0#
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2012, 03:59:53 PM
I saw the Buzzfeed video earlier, it was pretty....nothing. Apparently though, Breitbart's minions are going to produce the real deal, where he says "down with whitey" and throws up the black power sign or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
Here's a bit more of the speech including the end, when the diverse crowd gives Obama applause after he finishes his speech. If it was some barn burning racial manifesto, wouldn't people react accordingly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5m6YFBcixo

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2012, 04:02:39 PM
Except that it will cut away to James Okeefe in blackface dressed as Obama doing those things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2012, 04:06:15 PM
Quote
NEILL AUGUSTINE
Watch Hannity tonight, TheTruth, for the whole tape. Sean promised it then.

RWOLFRN
Not so sure I trust Fox to release anything with out a left slant.  They have really changed.

DPEPPER
I agree, Fox has moved to the left. Obviously Soros has gotten to Murdock and scared him off. Now they are pandering to the left audience. Just look, Fox fires Glenn Beck, then hires George Soros' mouth piece Sally Cohn. I can barely listen to Fox anymore, it sickens me that they are becoming MSNBC lite.

Too bad the left-wing conspiracy at Fox News won't let you see THE TRUTH. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 07, 2012, 04:10:09 PM
I'm just guffawing that the Breitbart people are complaining that the previously released video was *selectively edited* :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2012, 04:14:08 PM
In all fairness, Robert Byrd was in the KKK.  So.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 07:05:15 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/bachmann-health-care-dictator-could-decide-how-many-babies-you-can-have.php?ref=fpblg

just...yea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 08:04:03 PM
PBS gives Hannity a big fuck you, posts the full video
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/the-story-behind-the-obama-law-school-speech-video/

edit: the video is clearly missing footage. I wonder if that's the point of this non-controversy: "where's the rest of the tape?!?!" He's basically just giving an introduction

According to PBS:
Quote
And while there does appear to be editing in the footage available, that was almost certainly done in 1990. The Ten O’Clock News practice was to store completed segments as aired along with any relevant additional footage that might be useful in the future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2012, 08:29:57 PM
I'm sure a young black man with an afro screaming "Kill Whitey!" wouldn't have made the 10 o'clock news, because you know that wouldn't have been a story or anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2012, 09:13:07 PM
I can't believe this. Even back in 1990 Obama was planning for his second-term shift to Operation Kill Whitey and PBS was helping him!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 07, 2012, 09:14:24 PM
You've got to wonder what the point is. Dude has one term over and done with, we know how he handles being in office, and they're still digging for secrets? I guess if you want to start a "Last term double or nothing" argument.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
if he gets re-elected he'll reveal his TRUE SELF and doom America!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
Apparently Hannity didn't sound impressed, and most of the focus was on Obama hugging Bell - which they claimed was edited out by Buzzfeed earlier today  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 07, 2012, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 05, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
http://agoodcartoon.tumblr.com/

I know you posted this a couple days back, but this site is comedy gold  :lol

Quote
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0e6j1K0lH1rr5t33o1_500.gif)
The reason the pipeline was blocked is because Obama has a brain. A Good Cartoon.

(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0hpeyfo4o1rr5t33o1_500.jpg)
American women understand that their reproductive rights are under attack from religious conservatives. Instead of contenting themselves with those receding rights and hoping more aren’t taken from them, they stand up in their own defence and confront the politicians responsible. A Good Cartoon.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2012, 11:24:42 PM
Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/jPAsX.jpg)

He was right. That son of a bitch was right.

For a week now my routine has been the same. I can’t leave. My girlfriend left, said something about freeing herself. I think it called out to her in her dreams. I don’t know. I don’t care. Every morning this week has been the same. Brew a pot of coffee, make some toast, curse that I only bought one loaf, and watch civilization collapse.

Massive wheels dominate my home’s skyline. Every few hours there’s a ‘piff’ noise as one of the numerous wheels spits out a disc. Sometimes it hits a man. The streets are covered in blood, gore, and bone, from men either ignorant or foolish. Some wanted to save their spouses. Some thought they could get food. All are dead.

Women? Different noise. A metal clink audible up here, from thirteen stories up and three blocks away, as a chain shoots out of the hole in the wheel. Some of the women run. Most, especially democrats, embrace the chain. They’re snapped up into the sky like fish. Unlucky ones have their necks broken. It doesn’t kill them, they just flop around on these chains.

One of these wheels is outside my window today. Banging against my window, rattling its harvest to entice me outside. I recognize my girlfriend. The chain cut deep into her throat, spilled her blood over her favorite black dress. She’s still talking though, moaning with the other women. “Pig. Misogynist. Patriarchy.” A few try and get me out by showing a calf muscle or two, but I’m not stupid.

It is pointless though. They’re everywhere now. Yesterday congress, trapped since approving this god forsaken plan, apologized. They said goodbye to their families. They apologized again. They drank something rancid looking and went to sleep. Ramirez had come with an assault rifle to the congressional session to save everyone. He had arrived to late. Now he was stepping over these sleeping old men, putting a round into their heads. He didn’t have enough ammunition. He beat Bernie Sanders to death with the butt of his rifle before choking himself to death with the horrid bill.

I heard when Obama signed the bill into law with his own blood his head snapped off of his body. Just stretched out like silly string before snapping off and floating away. I wasn’t watching. I was too busy enjoying free birth control. What a god damn fool I was.

It was a good cartoon. If only we had listened.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2012, 11:36:11 PM
Most people still don't get it. It's not free contraceptives.

It's some people of child bearing age getting something out of the hundreds of $$$ they pay each month from their insurance company.

The insurance companies have enjoyed that money NOT covering it.

It's not rocket science.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 11:57:12 PM
It's also worth pointing out *gasp* contraception is NOT just used for birth control. Most women use it at some point in their lives, be it for birth control or health related issues. My mom had to go on birth control at one point due to Dysmenorrhea (menstrual pain/cramps).

I must admit I'm baffled Obama or anyone else hasn't pointed this out. Perhaps it's because many people know that already, but I'm so tired of the right framing this entirely on sexual and religious grounds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2012, 12:01:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 11:57:12 PM
It's also worth pointing out *gasp* contraception is NOT just used for birth control. Most women use it at some point in their lives, be it for birth control or health related issues. My mom had to go on birth control at one point due to Dysmenorrhea (menstrual pain/cramps).

I must admit I'm baffled Obama or anyone else hasn't pointed this out. Perhaps it's because many people know that already, but I'm so tired of the right framing this entirely on sexual and religious grounds.

Fluke actually talked about this exact issue in her testimony.  In fact (and I just found this out today) she testified about the experience of others, and never brought up her own sex life or need for contraception.

I'm glad I ignored this early on and caught up on it later.  If I wasn't secure in the knowledge that Limbaugh's been made to eat a certain amount of shit, I probably would have gotten all worked up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2012, 12:02:29 AM
that's one of the worst political cartoon I've ever seen.  No sane woman actually believes in companies and organizations that want to limit women's healthcare.  No matter what they claim regarding corporate freedom or religious backing, all their defense comes down to is "lol don't wanna pay."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 12:08:52 AM
Fluke mentioned a friend who had ovarian cysts iirc, and some on the right have argued this is such a rare occurrence that it should be irrelevant. Those particular cysts may be rare, but menstrual cramps are far from rare; plus there are many other health related issues contraception can be used for.

It reminds me of the "health of the mother" issue with abortion. Many conservatives argue cases where the mother's life can only be saved by an abortion are so rare that they need not be discussed or focused on with any legislation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2012, 12:23:10 AM
It's absolutely ridiculous.  I don't know a single woman my age or a bit older who doesn't use contraception in some way.  Most of the girls don't even use it for sex: they use it for menstrual pains, female athlete triad and anemia, cysts, general migraines and pains, among many other issues.

It's like...saying people who use anti-depressants should just kill themselves and post videos of it online.  Most people who use anti-depressants...aren't any where near committing suicide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2012, 12:41:29 AM
I'm always reluctant to shift the conversation to ovarian cysts and menstrual cramps because it unnecessarily moves the goalposts from "hey it's my goddamn body and i'll get preggers when I choose" Although maybe I guess it does expose their laughable indifference to women's health
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2012, 01:19:11 AM
The debate in its current form also ignores the fact that married people may not want kids either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 08, 2012, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 11:57:12 PM
It's also worth pointing out *gasp* contraception is NOT just used for birth control. Most women use it at some point in their lives, be it for birth control or health related issues. My mom had to go on birth control at one point due to Dysmenorrhea (menstrual pain/cramps).
This.  My wife has to use birth control if she wants to ever get pregnant actually.  She's unable to have children without birth control.  lulz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 08, 2012, 09:10:14 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on March 08, 2012, 08:35:11 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2012, 11:57:12 PM
It's also worth pointing out *gasp* contraception is NOT just used for birth control. Most women use it at some point in their lives, be it for birth control or health related issues. My mom had to go on birth control at one point due to Dysmenorrhea (menstrual pain/cramps).
This.  My wife has to use birth control if she wants to ever get pregnant actually.  She's unable to have children without birth control.  lulz

So slutty :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 08, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 08, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Pennsylvania's repub majority senate passed a voter suppressionID law to soon be signed by the repub governor. Great job!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 08, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
that dude was keee-razy

also, man, the Wingnut False Equivalency Machine is in full effect re: Limbaugh and Fluke. WHY U NO CALL OUT BILL MAHER FOR SAYING PALIN IS CUNT?????????? LOOOLLLLZ!!!!! is fillin' up my conservatard friends' pages. yucko.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 08, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
my answer: because she *is* a cunt. and a dumb one, at that. but i don't use her as a proxy to attack a large group of women and denigrate their issues, cunts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 08, 2012, 11:48:08 AM
Plus, Palin's comments are completely scripted beforehand and most not by her.

Fluke was talking about personal experience not talking points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2012, 12:33:06 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 08, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
Pennsylvania's repub majority senate passed a voter suppressionID law to soon be signed by the repub governor. Great job!

Voters have to provide proof they're not on contraceptives?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2012, 12:50:00 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 08, 2012, 11:30:09 AM
Mandark got a full dose of my Libertarian Super Fiscal Conservative Except for Israel friend on Facebook last night.

I was glad to know that Palestine has been solved, thanks to the wall!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2012, 01:04:25 PM
I was going to try to bait him into calling me an anti-Semite, but thought better of it.

That quote about "the Palestinian problem" man.  Yeezus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
Isn't it rather unlikely that a Osirak style bombing run would even work? Iran has hidden their refineries quite well, making the success of a quick unilateral bombing run unlikely for Israel's air force. Unless they plan on bombing for days, I don't see it working.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 08, 2012, 01:14:01 PM
I heard they hid it over by nukeweaponstan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 01:27:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCua8wsSuH8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2012, 01:28:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 01:11:27 PM
Isn't it rather unlikely that a Osirak style bombing run would even work? Iran has hidden their refineries quite well, making the success of a quick unilateral bombing run unlikely for Israel's air force. Unless they plan on bombing for days, I don't see it working.

I actually did a paper on Iran's nukes program and possible responses to it for an undergrad polisci class years ago, and used to follow the more obscure, nerdier blogs like Arms Control Wonk and Paul Kerr.  None of the experts seemed to think that a strike would seriously derail Iran's progress; IIRC the best case was a setback of a couple years and an Iranian effort that was a lot more diffuse and hidden.

Plus the reason Iran is so bent on going nuclear in the first place has a lot to do with perceived threats from the US and Israel, which an attack would just be reinforcing.  Of course, that requires thinking of Iran as a somewhat rational actor with its own interests, rather than an unremitting force for evil.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2012, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 01:27:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCua8wsSuH8

Oh yeah? Well, George Bush kissed the Saudi prince. Beat that, Demoretards!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2012, 02:33:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtJhLUOFXE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
Just what I need, a reminder of all the dunces Obama hired to fill his economic team
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2012, 08:56:48 PM
Destroyed
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/08/new-breitbart-video-sparks-debate/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2012, 01:22:46 AM
http://freebeacon.com/roc-a-fella-republican/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2012, 03:28:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faRjF3-WGVA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 09, 2012, 03:45:15 AM
good article

http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2012/02/24/what-do-americans-think-of-obamas-performance-as-a-president/?feed=rss_home&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 09, 2012, 05:16:47 AM
That military industrial complex. Congressional approval is just a barrier to entry. Its scary hearing such an argument too considering the current issues being faced with Iran.

Its still hazy what was being argued though in exact terms. NATO or any International coalition could utilize the US Military without both congressional and presidential  approval? There's already precedent for Congress being put to the side with the recent Iraq war I believe.

Edit: Ahh, this is an argument for the President giving military authorization without the approval from Congress. I was all like lol wut.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2012, 10:35:04 AM
If Iran doesn't allow us to run their nuclear program they're hiding something. And if they do let us in, then they're just moving it into underground bunkers they won't tell us about.

It's an entire country full of crazy people who want to do only one thing and that is invade America and establish a new Caliphate.

The fact that all of you leftists like Barack Hussein Obama, Ron Paul and Rachel Maddow want us to bow towards Mecca is not a reason for America to not eliminate its enemies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 09, 2012, 01:22:02 PM
Quote from: Spencer on March 09, 2012, 11:03:36 AM
Was that post satire or?


He's completely serious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2012, 01:54:16 PM
jobs numbers
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/us-economy-adds-227k-jobs-in-february-unemployment?ref=fpb

some analysis
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The survey of household employment was similarly positive. The unemployment rate held fast at 8.3%. That, however, was due to a surge in workers into the labour force, of nearly 500,000, which offset the rise in employment entirely. Over the past few months, however, the household employment numbers have been, if anything, more bullish than the payroll figures, suggesting that the underlying trend toward improvement is very much the real thing. The employment-population ratio rose a tenth of a point to 58.6%, up from a low of 58.2% last summer. And alternative measures of unemployment are also getting better in a hurry.

Firms are adding workers across the economy. Manufacturing employment rose 31,000 in February and is up 227,000 over the last 12 months. Professional and business services continue to add labour at a rapid clip, including new temporary positions which indicate that further hiring may be on the way. The construction sector is still very weak; residential builders took on just 1,700 new workers in February. A better labour market overall, however, will raise housing demand and translate, eventually, into more of a recovery there.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/03/americas-economy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 09, 2012, 02:05:10 PM
Is it wrong to be librul, while also finding this absolutely HIGH-larious?

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Mary Brown, a 56-year-old Florida woman who owned a small auto repair shop but had no health insurance, became the lead plaintiff challenging President Obama's healthcare law because she was passionate about the issue.

Brown "doesn't have insurance. She doesn't want to pay for it. And she doesn't want the government to tell her she has to have it," said Karen Harned, a lawyer for the National Federation of Independent Business. Brown is a plaintiff in the federation's case, which the Supreme Court plans to hear later this month.

But court records reveal that Brown and her husband filed for bankruptcy last fall with $4,500 in unpaid medical bills. Those bills could change Brown from a symbol of proud independence into an example of exactly the problem the healthcare law was intended to address.

"This is so ironic," Jane Perkins, a health law expert in North Carolina, said of Brown's situation. "It just shows that all Americans inevitably have a need for healthcare. Somebody has paid for her healthcare costs. And she is now among the 62% whose personal bankruptcy was attributable in part to medical bills."

Brown, reached by telephone Thursday, said the medical bills were her husband's. "I always paid my bills, as well as my medical bills," she said angrily. "I never said medical insurance is not a necessity. It should be anyone's right to what kind of health insurance they have.

"I believe that anyone has unforeseen things that happen to them that are beyond their control," Brown said. "Who says I don't have insurance right now?"

In August, the U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta agreed. Florida and 25 other states were suing, but they needed an individual to contest the mandate. "Mary Brown has standing to challenge the individual mandate," the judges said, and "as long as at least one plaintiff has standing to raise" the claim, the court can rule. The Obama administration appealed, and the Supreme Court said in November it would decide the constitutional challenge.

But by then, Brown's small auto repair shop near Panama City, Fla., had closed, and she and her husband had filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy petition. Brown said in the petition that her only income was $275 a month in unemployment benefits.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-healthcare-plaintiff-20120309,0,6657163.story
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 09, 2012, 02:05:53 PM
:bow Real Economic Recovery :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2012, 02:08:59 PM
Damn government, taking away my right to be poor and miserable!  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2012, 02:18:23 PM
Barack Obama: I'm going to force you to have health insurance!
Mary Brown: Ooh, that's bad.
Barack Obama: But you're allowed to sue over it.
Mary Brown: That's good.
Barack Obama: But you have unpaid medical bills that you had to file bankruptcy over.
Barack Obama: ...That's bad.
Mary Brown: Can I go now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2012, 03:54:36 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 09, 2012, 02:05:10 PM
Is it wrong to be librul, while also finding this absolutely HIGH-larious?

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But by then, Brown's small auto repair shop near Panama City, Fla., had closed, and she and her husband had filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy petition. Brown said in the petition that her only income was $275 a month in unemployment benefits.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-healthcare-plaintiff-20120309,0,6657163.story

IF I AM GOING TO BE FORCED TO SUBSIDIZE THIS SLUT'S LIFESTYLE I WANT HER TO POST VIDEOS

...am I doing it right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2012, 04:04:43 PM
Someone needs to run on a campaign of forcing all recipients of government aid to take naked pictures of themselves and the government will post them on a website and they get 10 cents of welfare for each unique view per month. Let the free market decide who deserves to have that money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2012, 04:14:31 PM
Aww, the poor little guy is all tuckered out.  :heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlW23ul5uv8

Brilliant come back though, Newt is the consummate politician. :bow2 You can see the gears turning "Where am I...something about Israel I think...come on Newt hold it together...'Islam sucks.'...BOOM NAILED IT!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 09, 2012, 09:10:02 PM
Hey, being a self proclaimed visionary leader of an intergalactic movement is HARD WORDK. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2012, 11:46:08 PM
Newt was just going on the base having a short term memory. While he was right, it still didn't matter.

The media embraced it because it sold commercials and that gave him some inflated longevity. The only reason there are so many debates is to sell commercials.

The real winner of the debates is parent company of the news networks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 09, 2012, 11:46:08 PM
The only reason there are so many debates is to sell commercials.
That's the ultimate underlying motive but I don't think it's the direct motive.

We can't discount that it gives them something to talk about and pretend has actual importance. The media struggled to explain the Santorum Iowa victory because only a handful of people, often from smaller media outlets, knew he had visited every county, was hitting all the churches, etc. The broader "mainstream" media basically only consider the campaign to exist within the debates and any "gaffes" or interviews that occur. (And in many ways, for people outside Iowa and NH, it's how it does exist.)

Look at how "winners" of the caucuses are treated even when in many cases they're splitting or gaining little ground in terms of delegates. (Like Santorum who "won" Iowa, Colorado, Minnesota, and Missouri and secured zero delegates from those polls.) You'd think after 2008 and the long war between Hillary and Obama that people might be more interested in these things. But we're just so used to someone driving everyone else from the field in mid-Feb and nobody cares.

The Obama camp ran up a good number of delegates in 2008 by making sure that they got actual delegates and not just winning straw polls and eventually getting nothing. It undermined any possible Hillary momentum because the delegates were locked down. The Paul camp is trying the same strategy, which isn't working for obvious reasons, but they are getting outsize delegate counts out of caucuses. While both Santorum and Gingrich could never run a true national campaign against Romney because they didn't even have campaign offices or anything in many of these places. Santorum didn't even get delegate candidates into tons of places in Ohio. He could have got 75% of the vote and still walked away with only a third of the delegates because they failed at planning. Both the Romney and Paul teams were the only ones to plan for any long slog. It's amazing that they were the only ones who even got on the Virginia ballot.

Hell, it's how McGovern got the nomination in the first modern primaries, he knew the rules because he basically wrote them. (Although he, and Carter, also gave Iowa its importance.)

Nobody actually wants to know how the caucuses and nominating processes work. Plus they're going to support the candidate anyway. Nobody would want *x* to get into office, destroy the economy and embolden the Iranian terrorist hordes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2012, 12:19:35 PM
The Virginia GOP changed the ballot requirements recently to prevent a semi-joke candidate like Trump or Cain winning, right?  Even Perry didn't make it, which was pretty nuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 10, 2012, 12:19:35 PM
The Virginia GOP changed the ballot requirements recently to prevent a semi-joke candidate like Trump or Cain winning, right?  Even Perry didn't make it, which was pretty nuts.

Yeah, that would be why turnout was abysmal and Ron Paul came in 2nd... out of 2 people on the ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
IIRC, they made it so that the signatures were actually checked which they never did in years before. So people like Gingrich submitted just enough signatures to get above the threshold but then when they were checked there were like a thousand fake ones so they then fell under the number required.

Which led to Republicans agreeing that checking for fraud is an unfair burden:
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On 27 December, Rick Perry filed a lawsuit - joined later by Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman and Rick Santorum - in the federal District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Richmond that challenged provisions that determine who can appear on the primary ballot. Perry and the other candidates argued that the chairman of the Virginia Republican Party and members of State Board of Elections violated their rights by enforcing state requirements as to the number of signatures, the qualifications for signers and the requirement that all petition circulators be "an eligible or registered qualified voter in Virginia." Perry and the other litigants argued that these restrictions "impose a severe burden" on their freedoms of speech and association under the First and Fourteenth Amendment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 09:03:39 PM
Sounds like Rush and Co. are royally fucked
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/10/rush-limbaugh-scandal-proves-contagious-for-talk-radio-advertisers.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2012, 09:21:23 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 09:03:39 PM
Sounds like Rush and Co. are royally fucked
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/26/obama-won-t-back-an-israeli-strike-on-iran.html

Wrong link?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
My bad, fixed now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 10, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
I'd be curious to see how this shakes out.  Will advertisers start slowly crawling back when the heat has subsided?

Rush could probably survive but the other people the article mentions (Mark Levin, Tom Leykis, etc.) might not.  Either way, I doubt Rush Limbaugh really cares because he's in his 60s, is worth hundreds of millions, and can retire if he wants to.  If he's the one credited for bringing conservative talk radio into prominence, he probably doesn't care if he causes the destruction of it.

I don't really give a shit about talk radio anyway, let alone conservative talk radio.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 10:27:26 PM
I think Rush (and conservatives in general) gravely miscalculated the response to this, especially from women. A vast majority supported Obama's position before Fluke even entered the equation, and all this has done is further bolster the numbers.

And yet republicans are still on the death march, taking this issue to its ideologically extreme peak regardless of the consequences. I understand the initial plan of framing this as purely religious, but that relies entirely on a male demographic that's uneducated about female issues/cootie parts. From many (conservative and/or dumbass) male perspectives, this is indeed all about sex because birth control=birth control duh; it would certainly follow that if a woman was running out of birth control or couldn't afford it, she MUST be having lots of sex.

To the average woman and many dudes married to women, this couldn't be further from the truth. That plus the fact that the 24-55 female demographic is highly coveted by advertisers created quite the perfect storm here, and I'd expect it to influence voting in November. Assuming the economy doesn't crash...
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.html

...it's stuff like this that could lead to Obama taking 60% of the female vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 10, 2012, 10:49:25 PM
I think the bigger issue overall is that the GOP has moved so far to the right since 2008 that this shouldn't have even been discussed.  I mean, nobody has really had a discussion on the merits of birth control (who wasn't on the fringes) since the 1960s but the GOP thought that this was a great time to bring it back up.  At a time when the party is alienating a potential power base for them (hispanics), they thought "wow, let's find a way to alienate 51% of the population!"  I don't even really see too many men who aren't on the far right fringes supporting Rush either.

It's like the GOP is trying their hardest to fail.

Yet even in this type of environment, Ron Paul is still dead last :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
You have to want to protect America from the secular Muslim threat not surrender and let them impose Sharia law to get anywhere in the GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Maybe that Johnathan Chait article about this being the (current) GOP's last chance was right.
http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2012, 11:58:50 PM
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/09/louis-c-k-withdraws-as-host-of-radio-and-television-correspondents-dinner/

Fuuuuuuck.  Louis CK was gonna do the White House Correspondent's dinner, then Greta van Sustern (bff of ignorant harpy Sarah Palin) was all 'I HAS A SAD!" and now he's not gonna.  FUCK YOU, YOU STUPID SCIENTOLOGY BITCHFUCK.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2012, 12:03:59 AM
Obama should respond by doing whatever routine CK prepared
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2012, 12:21:14 AM
I've been watching a lot of the Dean Martin celebrity roasts, so I currently think that they should just wheel in Don Rickles and see what happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2012, 01:22:27 AM
"What kinda name's Obama, Japanese?  Oh, Kenyan?  Yeah, since the war they're all Kenyan."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 11, 2012, 11:26:09 AM
god yes.  please keep talking rick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2012, 01:23:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on March 10, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 09, 2012, 11:46:08 PM
The only reason there are so many debates is to sell commercials.
That's the ultimate underlying motive but I don't think it's the direct motive.

The message never changes between the debates. If there was actual policy being discussed I'd be inclined to agree with you more. But it's all 'obama herp derrrp' instead what they would do to actually make something better for the citizens of this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 11, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
Maybe that Johnathan Chait article about this being the (current) GOP's last chance was right.
http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/

I don't really agree with the article because the 2008 elections were driven on the economy bursting apart at the seams, not demographics, although that probably played a role.  That and Obama successfully sold himself as an outsider.

Theoretically, if we listened to the idea of demographics, the Republican party as is would have been made extinct in the 1960s.  In fact, the 1964 election was basically the election that proved the GOP was dead.  Of course, we've read Nixonland so we know exactly where that story goes.

Although I'm no Republican by any means, I think the biggest problem is that the GOP screwed itself by letting the tea party wing of the party run things, effectively driving out moderate Republicans.  If the GOP political field weren't so hostile to everyone who isn't a far right extremist, you'd probably have people like Mitch Daniels in the running instead of Rick fucking Santorum.  Their loss though and I won't be shedding tears when they (most likely) will lose by a larger margin than they did in 2008.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
I think if you broke down the 2008 voting shares by race, gender, and college education, then applied them to the makeup of the 1992 electorate, McCain would have won.

Also, Nixonland was basically a win for demographic analysis.  Kevin Phillips, Emerging Republican Majority, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 11, 2012, 06:51:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2012, 09:03:39 PM
Sounds like Rush and Co. are royally fucked
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/10/rush-limbaugh-scandal-proves-contagious-for-talk-radio-advertisers.html

I wish this was the case, but this seems like a temporary setback more than anything.

But this commenter at balloon-juice did bring up a pretty good point about this situation being a little different from some of the shit Rush has said before:

(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/michelle.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2012, 08:51:59 PM
truth bomb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hock on March 11, 2012, 09:01:07 PM
Yeah, I noticed that too. After all the shit he said, this is what gets the advertisers to drop out. I remember one time he had this rant going on about how now that Obama is president, black people are gonna be beating up white people with no fear. I don't know how much that media coverage that got, but not nearly as much as this.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 11, 2012, 09:10:38 PM
a not insignificant difference between the president of the united states and Fluke is that she is not a day-to-day public figure, she's just a citizen who happened to speak publicly on an issue that concerned her. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
Too bad, but this is looking over.  If Newt's fucking ego wasn't larger than his head, he would have got out.  Not-Romney votes would have let Santorum re-write the narrative and then we're talking about a way different race.  Bummer.  Now watch as the slime gates open and all the GOP super-pacs take aim at Obama.  Shit's been mellow compared to what's about to happen.  We'll be longing for the days when people demanded to see his birth certificate, sang Barack the Magic Negro and photoshopped watermelons on the White House lawn.  All that shit is gonna be tame compared to the next 7-8 months.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 11, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
Too bad, but this is looking over.  If Newt's fucking ego wasn't larger than his head, he would have got out.
Not so fast!

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/03/11/exclusive-gingrich-perry-pre-convention-ticket-works
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Sources close to the Gingrich campaign say preliminary "what-if" conversations are underway that could lead to a Gingrich-Perry ticket being announced prior to the  Republican National Convention at the end of August.

Gingrich insiders hope forming a predetermined ticket with Perry will unite the evangelical, Tea Party and very conservative voters that make up the core of the GOP.
(http://assets.thefiscaltimes.com/TFT2_20101228/App_Data/MediaFiles/9/9/4/%7B9942F8E3-3014-4FB8-9D30-7EFAA6E72909%7D12282011_Gingrich_Perry_article.jpg)

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 11, 2012, 01:23:59 PM
The message never changes between the debates. If there was actual policy being discussed I'd be inclined to agree with you more. But it's all 'obama herp derrrp' instead what they would do to actually make something better for the citizens of this country.
No, I agree with you there. I probably rambled off too much. I was trying to say it's a lot like sports reporting in that something minor and often insignificant say a "gaffe" or great answer or what have you becomes what they talk about for a week as if it's impacting the campaign and then come back and explain everything through these five or six moments or statements.

i.e. there was little on how Gingrich's campaign was basically non-existent on the ground, but his debate performances were showing "leadership" and making him a "front-runner" and then they did a bunch of polls to show the "result" of the debates, etc.
Quote from: The Experiment on March 11, 2012, 02:03:55 PM
If the GOP political field weren't so hostile to everyone who isn't a far right extremist, you'd probably have people like Mitch Daniels in the running instead of Rick fucking Santorum.
Mitch Daniels probably didn't run because of whatever is the deal with his wife.

I'm not sure he's "moderate", likely nominee Romney (if you want him to be) and "rising star" Paul Ryan are more "moderate" than Daniels is. Daniels just thinks that cutting government should be a priority and everything else can wait until that is done first, he's still a social conservative. Anti-abortion, anti-immigration, pro-war on drugs, anti-gay marriage AND anti-civil unions, pro-death penalty, pro-prayer in schools, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2012, 12:33:45 AM
I like Daniels well enough but let's not forget he's the dude who estimated the Iraq war would cost 60b

and lol @ the Newt/Perry nonsense. Evangelicals already rejected Perry, why would they give him another chance. This has to be the most egotistical idea I've heard during a primary: (publicly) forming a ticket before the convention? lolwut
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 01:30:34 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/11/santorums-war-on-teleprompters/
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Republican Rick Santorum has for quite a while taken issue with candidates on the trail who use a teleprompter. It's a dig on President Barack Obama, and more recently has been used to attack Mitt Romney - a man who's also been known to use a prompter or two.

But campaigning along the Gulf Coast in the Tuesday primary state of Mississippi, Santorum took it a step further, saying use of the digital word machine should be outlawed.

"See, I always believed that when you run for president of the United States, it should be illegal to read off a teleprompter," Santorum said at a Gulfport restaurant. "Because all you're doing is reading someone else's words to people."

He continued to elaborate on why he believes prompters should have no place in politics, saying that people should know that a candidate's words haven't been "focus-grouped" and that the words are the candidate's - not those of "pollsters and speechwriters."

"You're voting for someone who is going to be the leader of our government," Santorum said. "It's important for you to understand who that person is in their own words, see them, look them in the eye...hear what's (in their)  heart."

"You're choosing a leader. A leader isn't just about what's written on a piece of paper."
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lysrbvwSrJ1qmzxy4o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2012, 01:34:45 AM
Funny, I was watching some of the Obama v McCain debates last night and ole' Barry was doing damn well without a teleprompter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2012, 01:36:01 AM
Can you believe that Roosevelt read his Pearl Harbor speech off a sheet of paper? What a fraud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2012, 01:55:47 AM
Lincoln had to WRITE DOWN the Gettysburg Address.  Fucking failure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2012, 02:12:20 AM
 :drudge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pdy09iQrNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC25aWgEEj0
 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2012, 08:26:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 12, 2012, 01:55:47 AM
Lincoln had to WRITE DOWN the Gettysburg Address.  Fucking failure.

More like the Shittysberg Address, amirite? Made me throw up harder than JFK.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 12, 2012, 08:37:23 AM
Santorum is God's teleprompter. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7r2i6NrqNs

:bow Mississippi bring the real talk :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 12, 2012, 07:21:45 PM
I had a hard time understanding that guy who was missing his front teeth who was living in that dilapidated hovel.  Did he say that he didn't have indoor plumbing?

I also find it disturbing about the people who extol the values of hard work but there's trash and shit strewn around their property.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
He's worked so hard he has earned the right to live like a pig :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2012, 06:16:16 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/215379-specter-says-obama-ditched-him-after-he-provided-60th-vote-to-pass-health-law
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Former Sen. Arlen Specter (Pa.) writes in a new book that President Obama ditched him in the 2010 election after he helped Obama win the biggest legislative victory of his term by passing healthcare reform.

Specter also claims that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) did not uphold his promise to grant him seniority accrued over 28 years of service in the Senate as a Republican.
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Specter laments that Obama and Vice President Biden did not do more to help him in the final days of his primary race against former Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.), who beat him 54 percent to 46 percent in the 2010 Pennsylvania Senate Democratic primary.

Specter writes that Obama turned down a request to campaign with him in the final days of the primary, because the president’s advisers feared he would look weak if he intervened and Specter lost.
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Specter believes Reid acted with “duplicity” while managing the party switch. Specter said Reid promised him that he would be recognized on the seniority list as a Democrat elected in 1980, but failed to deliver on it. 

Had Specter been given the seniority he was promised, he would have become chairman of the powerful Labor, Health and Human Services Appropriations subcommittee and next in line to chair the Judiciary Committee.

Instead, Reid stripped Specter of all his seniority by passing a short resolution by unanimous consent in a nearly-empty chamber, burying him at the bottom of the Democrats’ seniority list.

Specter found out about it after his press secretary emailed him a press account of the switch.
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He says Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), now the chairman of the Labor, Health and Human Services subcommittee, declined a request to let Specter take over as chairman at least until the election.

Sens. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) refused to let him move past them in seniority on the Judiciary Committee.
:lol wtf did he expect?

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He makes surprising revelations about Republican leaders, as well ... Specter says that one of Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell’s (Ky.) first concerns after learning of the impending party switch was that he might be blamed for driving Specter out of the GOP.
...
“When I told him I was going to change parties, he was visibly displeased but not ruffled. Mostly, he was taciturn,” Specter recounts. “McConnell and I had a serious discussion. He was very nice and very professional. ‘Don’t do it,’ he said. ‘It’d be a big mistake. Serve out your time as a Republican and retire gracefully.’”

McConnell worried that he might get blamed for driving Specter to join the Democrats. He raised the issue at a meeting of the Senate Republican conference where Specter announced his decision.
The hell is surprising about that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 13, 2012, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 12, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7r2i6NrqNs

:bow Mississippi bring the real talk :bow2

None of those people could spell Mississippi.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 13, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 13, 2012, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 12, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
[youtube]O7r2i6NrqNs[youtube]

:bow Mississippi bring the real talk :bow2

None of those people could spell Mississippi.

(http://rclol.com/img/redneck-randal-and-i-told-that-teaching-lady-that-the-only-three-letters-i-need-to-know-are-u-s-and-a.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 13, 2012, 12:14:47 PM
Romney is part of an AWESOME Fantasy Football league
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 13, 2012, 12:45:40 PM
At this point, it's completely possible that when he sits down at some local greasy diner for a campaign stop, he orders his eggs faberge.  Dude is completely tone deaf on the wealth issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 13, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
Why should he be? He earned his money fair and square on his own without any nepotis... fuck it, I can't keep it up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2012, 04:06:26 PM
I would pay good money to see that debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 13, 2012, 04:15:21 PM
I'd love to see Palin in a real debate, where she can't get away with the shit that she did vs. Biden. "I'm gonna answer the questions the way I want!"  WTF is this bullshit, you lying harpy?  STFU.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2012, 04:31:47 PM
When Obama hugged a black man in 1990, it was like the Civil War all over again, only this time it was the negros enslaving us, with their House Parties and their Kriss Krosses making us jump jump.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 13, 2012, 06:38:35 PM
Who can deny that to we went off course from the traditional values that made America great to where everything was inside out and wiggity, wiggity, wiggity wack
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 13, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 12, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7r2i6NrqNs

:bow Mississippi bring the real talk :bow2

Is that Chronovore at 0:18? :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
The funny thing about that Obama ad is that it pretty much plays long ass portions of her comments. There is little splicing and dicing or half second bits.

She literally said he wants to go back to the pre-Civil War days when things were segregated based on race. As if that was the most recent time to harken back to
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 13, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
The funny thing about that Obama ad is that it pretty much plays long ass portions of her comments. There is little splicing and dicing or half second bits.

She literally said he wants to go back to the pre-Civil War days when things were segregated based on race. As if that was the most recent time to harken back to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI0l4YLH6lQ

what in gods name
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2012, 10:52:02 PM
Wait, I thought pre-Civil War race relations was what the Tea Party wanted? ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2012, 11:00:43 PM
Bell certainly had some controversial views, but there is no evidence that he was racist. Conservatives tend to view any nuanced discussion of racism as biased against white people. If you've ever taken a sociology or criminology course with a loud conservative white guy in the class, you know what I mean.

Republicans just seem upset that MOST PEOPLE think Obama is a good dude with a nice family, regardless of whether they agree with him politically. The image they've created for him just doesn't match the reality of a guy who was raised by his white grandparents and in as personable as Obama is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uNoNn0KjZA
WHAT A RACIST
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 13, 2012, 11:06:51 PM
Santorum is spreading!  :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 13, 2012, 11:16:08 PM
Santorum is frothy tonight.  Good time to be, too.  If he spreads this much into Illinoise, he may just pull IL off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
A flood of Santorum is washing over the south.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2012, 12:30:56 AM
Downside is they're both proportional so Romney got almost as many delegates.

30 for Santorum.
24 for Romney.
24 for Newt.
According to NYT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2012, 01:13:05 AM
Fucking Newt.  Needs to get out now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 01:20:11 AM
Romney wasn't going to win in the south anyway imo, but regardless he's still a weak front runner. It's not like he's losing to some Hillary-quality candidate with money and clout. He's losing to a complete batshit crazy dude
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 14, 2012, 01:44:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2012, 11:00:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uNoNn0KjZA
WHAT A RACIST

Love the look he gives Michelle after the baby stops crying  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 02:06:39 AM
the :smug face
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2012, 02:11:06 AM
Can someone recommend me a good resource on the whole Greek crisis thing. I need it for work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2012, 01:49:15 PM
Ron Paul's media coverage, if you can call it that, is done: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/03/nbc-pulls-ron-pauls-last-embed-117436.html
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A couple weeks back I noted that Ron Paul, the lonely delegate hunter, had only one full-time, embedded reporter on his trail: Anthony Terrell of NBC News. Other reporters have provided some coverage of the candidate, but for the last few weeks Terrell was the only proverbial boy on the bus.

But now, Ron Paul is officially embedless.

Earlier this week, NBC decided that Terrell would transition off the trail and back to his job with MSNBC, though a spokesperson there would not comment on the move.

Santorum says Fox News is against him (someone inform Rupert Murdoch)
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"The man has had a ten-to-one money advantage," Santorum said of Romney on the radio show "Kilmeade & Friends."

"He's had all the organizational advantage. He has Fox News shilling for him every day -- no offense, Brian, but I see it -- and yet, he can't seal the deal because he just doesn't have the goods to be able to motivate the Republican base and win this election."
...
Santorum said he apologized if his staff had been bad at responding to interview requests and promised to return to the show, but held firm on his accusation. "I can tell you, we watch the coverage there, and you know, look, you guys are allowed to cover what you want to cover," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/rick-santorum-fox-mitt-romney_n_1341823.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73981.html
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Van Susteren also called out Santorum for saying Fox News was “shilling” for Romney. Santorum, however, said he “wasn’t talking about your show or Sean [Hannity’s] show.” He called the two hosts “awesome,” but said the network’s news coverage gives too much airtime to Romney.

“Look, I’m not complaining; I’m not going to be whining about this,” Santorum said. “That’s the reality and we’ve had to deal with it, and our feeling is we’re just going to go out and overcome this. We’ve overcome a lot in this race and we’re doing great. We’re on our way to victory.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 01:53:40 PM
Paul's campaign has been an utter failure. I read an article where a reporter argued the media kind of missed the boat on Paul in 08 and wanted to avoid that mistake this time. Turns out there was no boat in 2012, his campaign has basically been dead since Iowa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2012, 02:08:53 PM
Depends on what your standards are.  For a fringe candidate that was never going to be acceptable to a plurality of GOP voters, he's done pretty well.  If you mean a candidate looking to actually win the nomination, of course he's gotten thrashed.

As an ideological candidate looking to pull the more mainstream guys towards his positions?  Haven't noticed Romney or anyone feeling pressured by Paul's stances on civil liberties, foreign policy, or the drug war.  There does seem to be more general paranoia about the Fed from the right than I can remember, but I don't think that's going to translate into anything serious.  Maybe I missed something.  benji?


Anyways, I'm sure lots of Paul supporters (especially the young, libbie-come-lately types) are all wound up about him being denied coverage by the military-industrial-media-fluoridation complex, but he's been treated fine for a guy who never was going to win, and who failed to deal with adverse press when the newsletters were brought up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2012, 02:25:24 PM
Let's not go around throwing out accusations like that.

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I mean, who are we to say his racism's closeted?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
Fake. Kilmeade is too much of a douche to have friends.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 14, 2012, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 14, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
The right took what they needed from the Libertarians and discarded the rest.  Ron Paul's legacy will have been to create a new batch of slogans for the Republican party.  They took the heightened paranoia about debt, the Fed, and the CONSTITUTION from Ron Paul's supporters which allowed them new ways to go on about the same things they always do (how can we fund Planned Parenthood when we are so in debt!).  It didn't translate into most spheres of mainstream Republican  thought though, no one is rethinking their stance on Israel or military spending because Ron Paul thought it up.

pretty much this. the RONPAUL2012 audience made a GREAT focus group for current and future GOP messaging. congrats, libertards: you got TOTALLY chumped.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 14, 2012, 04:30:32 PM
Apart from those newsletters which he didn't even write, is there any other evidence of Ron Paul being racist? Just curious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 14, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
Didn't he have a klansman on his staff last election
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 04:44:30 PM
I don't think Paul is racist, I think he's just a libertard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Quote from: my libertopian nutbar friend
no other candidate can repair the damage done by our federal reserve system, and our worthless dollar, the prices at the pump, and the prices in the grocery store. The wars overseas, and the endless bombing, the endless foreign aid. The only candidate who will preserve the social security for the elderly, and cut the one place it needs to be cut - military.

Well then!  I especially liked the part about social security.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 05:12:11 PM
If Ron Paul magically became president he wouldn't be able to do much except bring the troops home I guess. He'd be impeached in 6 months
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2012, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 14, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
The right took what they needed from the Libertarians and discarded the rest.  Ron Paul's legacy will have been to create a new batch of slogans for the Republican party.  They took the heightened paranoia about debt, the Fed, and the CONSTITUTION from Ron Paul's supporters which allowed them new ways to go on about the same things they always do (how can we fund Planned Parenthood when we are so in debt!).  It didn't translate into most spheres of mainstream Republican thought though, no one is rethinking their stance on Israel or military spending because Ron Paul thought it up.  At the end of the day the guy is going to be judged a pretty massive failure and soon libertarians will return to just guys living in vans down by the river who still collect silver certificates.

Plus Ron Paul is a closet racist.

Shame the left can't play the libertarians they way the right does. In my experience, economic freedom trumps social freedom for 9/10 libertarians. Even though most of them make under $50k/yr.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
I love PD's concern trolling in the gaf thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 14, 2012, 07:28:49 PM
libruls are arch and preachy. if there's one thing fundamental to libertards, it's a resentment of authority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 14, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
Quote from: tiesto on March 14, 2012, 04:30:32 PM
Apart from those newsletters which he didn't even write, is there any other evidence of Ron Paul being racist? Just curious.

apart from granting his name and blessing to lew rockwell to write those racist tracts, you mean?

of course, his hypocritical anti-abortion and anti-women stances are ESPECIALLY hi-larious, given that he's profited from women's health for his whole career
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 14, 2012, 07:39:33 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on March 14, 2012, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 14, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
The right took what they needed from the Libertarians and discarded the rest.  Ron Paul's legacy will have been to create a new batch of slogans for the Republican party.  They took the heightened paranoia about debt, the Fed, and the CONSTITUTION from Ron Paul's supporters which allowed them new ways to go on about the same things they always do (how can we fund Planned Parenthood when we are so in debt!).  It didn't translate into most spheres of mainstream Republican  thought though, no one is rethinking their stance on Israel or military spending because Ron Paul thought it up.

pretty much this. the RONPAUL2012 audience made a GREAT focus group for current and future GOP messaging. congrats, libertards: you got TOTALLY chumped.

Ron Paul's not done yet, you fuckers.  I got two words for you: unbound delegates.

http://www.thedreamlounge.net/2012/03/11/to-the-readers-of-this-blog-whats-the-scoop-on-ron-paul/

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The only real threat Ron faces at this point is outright fraud. Ron very likely won the popular vote in a number of States, including Iowa, Maine, and Nevada, but had it stolen by outright fraud. Dead people voting. Votes being taken or thrown away from Ron Paul.

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This puts Ron Paul a close second in the “real” delegate count, that the mainstream media will not show you, just behind Mitt Romney.

Even this however, is not the whole truth.

The whole truth is that Ron Paul is well in first place. He is in first place, and will remain there, because many of his supporters have been posing and winning unbound delegate seats for all three of Dr. Paul’s opponents Mitt/Newt/Rick.

What this means is that come convention time in Tampa Florida, none of Ron Paul’s delegates will be “switching sides”, where as delegates from all three other candidates  will be switching to Ron Paul, on the spot. And these are just the “double agent” delegates that have the intention in advance to switch to Ron Paul.

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Ron Paul is “last” according to the mainstream media in delegates. They can say this because they simply look at the popular vote and “guess” that when the States make final delegate counts, it will reflect the popular vote. The problem is that this is not at all true, because Ron Paul supporters are generally ready to take  a bullet for Dr. Paul.

(http://i.qkme.me/35zwk7.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2012, 08:22:50 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 14, 2012, 05:09:38 PM
Quote from: my libertopian nutbar friend
no other candidate can repair the damage done by our federal reserve system, and our worthless dollar, the prices at the pump, and the prices in the grocery store. The wars overseas, and the endless bombing, the endless foreign aid. The only candidate who will preserve the social security for the elderly, and cut the one place it needs to be cut - military.

Well then!  I especially liked the part about social security.

Does he know you can get a Cheesy Gordita Crunch for just 2 dollars? Doesn't sound worthless to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Meanwhile it batshit land
https://twitter.com/#!/toddeherman/status/180089412061892608
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
I don't know who this Todd Herman douche is, but abortions for a dollar? That's a fucking steal!  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2012, 09:06:25 PM
Also, can someone explain this comic:

(http://i.imgur.com/e7vaJ.jpg)

Why are the OWS folk vandalizing a business that seems to be supporting the 99% movement?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2012, 09:12:37 PM
More importantly, why doesn't that business have a front door?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 14, 2012, 09:14:39 PM
Van Jones?  Has anyone actually talked about him since 2009?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
I feel like this needs to be posted again:

http://agoodcartoon.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 14, 2012, 09:21:59 PM
we all know how much anarchists love nazis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on March 14, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AYDVf.jpg)

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As America continues moving to the right, economic recovery remains elusive. A good cartoon.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 14, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 14, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
I thought that was a joke at first.  A paleo Ron Paul supporter.  He must be a hit at parties.

the overlap is horrifying. 

i dare not stray into any "off topic" section of any paleo forum.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: Eric P on March 14, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 14, 2012, 07:46:56 PM
I thought that was a joke at first.  A paleo Ron Paul supporter.  He must be a hit at parties.

the overlap is horrifying. 

i dare not stray into any "off topic" section of any paleo forum.

The two biggest question marks I have about Robb Wolf are: support of Ron Paul, belief that Chinese traditional medicine is anything other than a pile of cynical bullshit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2012, 11:05:41 PM
I have to say, I don't find it surprising that the same mentality that would fall for libertopianism would also be take in by DUR HUR CAVEMEN ATE THIS WAY SO IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.  Sorry bitches, we developed agriculture for a reason.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 11:09:05 PM
Triumph spitting hot fire. I'm gonna use it to grill some USDA approved poultry products so I don't get sick :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 15, 2012, 01:56:32 AM
There is basically no-one left who uses that argument anymore but whatevs, enjoy Taco Bell
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 15, 2012, 06:53:52 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:47:28 PM

The two biggest question marks I have about Robb Wolf are: support of Ron Paul, belief that Chinese traditional medicine is anything other than a pile of cynical bullshit

yeah.  i think the chinese medicine thing is because of the newfound distrust of regular doctors.  i see that in a lot of paleo, though it's completely understandable.  it's like once you find out that someone is completely wrong about one aspect of something, it makes you begin to question what else they're wrong about.

i think ron paul supporters in general just aren't very well versed with what he actually supports.  when i first heard about him, i thought he was great, because all i knew about were the entry level items which paul supporters use to draw in the naive.  it was when i started to read more and think his positions through that i rejected him.  then i found out about the racism and that shit is unacceptable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 11:27:42 AM
Once you get past civil liberties and certain aspects of foreign policy, pretty much all of RP's policy positions that would, you know, ACTUALLY EFFECT PEOPLE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS are fucking horrible.  I swear my college intellectual friend is acting more and more like FoC circa 2008 with every passing day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2012, 11:57:15 AM
Ron Paul is just bidding his time until the RNC, then he's going to announce a 3rd party run that will pull away all the Republicans that hate Romney and all the Democrats that hate Obama but don't have the guts to vote GOP, who will sweep Dr. Paul into the White House by a landslide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Well, this isn't offensive or anything.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2dwf7fb.jpg)

I'm sure the driver of this car isn't a racist!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2012, 12:16:58 PM
Not surprisingly, that "Benelli" sticker is the logo for a firearms manufacturer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 15, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
to be fair, someone else wrote the bumper sticker, he just signed off on it.  he probably wasn't even aware of its content
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2012, 12:17:55 PM
"It came with the car! I don't actually believe that!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 15, 2012, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 15, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Well, this isn't offensive or anything.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2dwf7fb.jpg)

I'm sure the driver of this car isn't a racist!

This is offensive. How else am I going to re-up my watermelon supplies? Obama keeps me sane.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 15, 2012, 02:18:28 PM
It's not even the proper way to use the word. It's meant to be offensive. I'd deface it if I saw it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2012, 02:34:17 PM
Dude's just using a common euchre term, I don't see the problem  ???

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 15, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
wanted to point out that not re-nigging would keep your same vote that elected Obama in 2008

did quick google search and found it's spelled "renege"...unintentional rascism off the day   :gloomy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2012, 04:06:18 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 15, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
wanted to point out that not re-nigging would keep your same vote that elected Obama in 2008

did quick google search and found it's spelled "renege"...unintentional rascism off the day   :gloomy

Yeah, it really makes no sense other than to be offensive and "clever".

It's having a bumper sticker that says "Don't be yellow; Boycott products made in China" or "I'm gonna smoke a faggot and then vote no for gay marriage".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
It'd be hard not giving into keying their car.

Then again, when I get a new car I plan on buying a FSM sticker/magnet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 16, 2012, 10:47:20 AM
typical liberal tolerance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2012, 10:49:18 AM
Exactly. I'd want to key their car, but I wouldn't want someone to do the same to me, so I wouldn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2012, 11:09:10 AM
What about this? Is this tacky? Y/N.

(http://i.imgur.com/eGK0s.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2012, 11:17:25 AM
This is what I want.

(http://i.imgur.com/7I1BP.jpg)

It's cute, but sorta tacky. But niche enough that it won't inspire the ire of southerners.

The FSM emblem, not the Fiat. Fiats are for fairies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 16, 2012, 01:34:12 PM
i'm more of a mini cooper guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 16, 2012, 02:10:38 PM
I had a magnetic "support our troops" ribbon on my old cavalier while my brother was in Afghanistan, but in general, I think all bumper stickers/badges/etc. are tacky.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 16, 2012, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Boogie on March 16, 2012, 02:10:38 PM
I had a magnetic "support our troops" ribbon on my old cavalier while my brother was in Afghanistan, but in general, I think all bumper stickers/badges/etc. are tacky.

Agreed.  I put a shit ton of bumper stickers on my first car however many years ago, but don't like them nowadays.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on March 16, 2012, 07:53:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCk3DMNpJIY
Sorry if posted but lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2012, 09:14:26 PM
Well, there goes Santorum's chances of getting the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 16, 2012, 10:31:54 PM
Quote
"Professional wrestling matches, as bizarre as they were and are, at least began as morality plays," Santorum wrote in his 2005 book, It Takes a Family. "Good guys, literally wearing white, fought bad guys, literally wearing black." And as in any good morality play, Santorum argued, there had been a Fall: "Today, professional wrestling is more about titillation than ever. The violence has been sexualized."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2012, 10:50:01 PM
I won't begrudge Santo for longing for the glory days of wrestling. :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 17, 2012, 12:07:03 AM
:bow Santorum :bow2

Bring back quality wrestling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2012, 12:22:05 AM
Quote
The bin Laden plot to kill President Obama

The al-Qaeda brand had become a problem, bin Laden explained, because Obama administration officials “have largely stopped using the phrase ‘the war on terror’ in the context of not wanting to provoke Muslims,” and instead promoted a war against al-Qaeda. The organization’s full name was “Qaeda al-Jihad,” bin Laden noted, but in its shorthand version, “this name reduces the feeling of Muslims that we belong to them.” He proposed 10 alternatives “that would not easily be shortened to a word that does not represent us.” His first recommendation was “Taifat al-tawhid wal-jihad,” or Monotheism and Jihad Group.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bin-laden-plot-to-kill-president-obama/2012/03/16/gIQAwN5RGS_story.html?hpid=z1

how come Obama won't say "war on terror" herp derp


gotta love dat first response: "One religious zealot expressing distaste and disgust for another religious zealot. Notice the ease of the interchangeability. Or, to put into American vernacular, pot calling the kettle black."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 18, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
lawl

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5JcSckHTfrc/T2XtCEct4qI/AAAAAAAAMeA/v-oNO300RIQ/s1600/PrivateSectorBushObama.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8RGXtqGo5Pc/T2XtCGI2SuI/AAAAAAAAMeI/4VK5fS3A-KU/s1600/PublicSectorBushObama.jpg)

Source: http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/03/public-and-private-sector-payroll-jobs.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2012, 12:29:08 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/santorum-charges-ahead-with-anti-porn-crusade.php?ref=fpa

So, apparently Santorum's latest thing is this anti-porn kick.  Good luck with that, Ricky.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
Government growth is out of control!

The steady loss of govt jobs as states cut their budgets is what has led to so many pedestrian jobs reports over the last four years; they're still being cut right now

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2012, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2012, 01:51:33 PM
Government growth is out of control!

The steady loss of govt jobs as states cut their budgets is what has led to so many pedestrian jobs reports over the last four years; they're still being cut right now

I have a fb "friend" from high school who always bitches about taxes and is your run of the mill Republican.  Except, of course, for the fact that she's a public school teacher who invariably bitches whenever there's teacher layoffs, increased class sizes, less money for books, etc.  I always have a good time rubbing her nose in it then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2012, 02:18:03 PM
Public school teacher? Her thoughts on the stimulus must be priceless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 19, 2012, 02:25:07 PM
Reading that was :dizzy

Her bullshit doesn't even make sense but it's clear she thinks she's being very clever.  You know how really small kids, like four year olds, will try to tell a joke?  Only it's completely scrambled and incoherent but they still laugh like crazy afterwards?  Yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 19, 2012, 02:32:09 PM
Don't be so niggardly, Mandark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2012, 02:34:12 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 19, 2012, 02:25:07 PM
Reading that was :dizzy

Her bullshit doesn't even make sense but it's clear she thinks she's being very clever.  You know how really small kids, like four year olds, will try to tell a joke?  Only it's completely scrambled and incoherent but they still laugh like crazy afterwards?  Yeah.

By associating black people with the n-word, aren't you the one being racist?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 19, 2012, 02:53:16 PM
Being able to make up your own facts is part of white privilege.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 19, 2012, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on March 19, 2012, 02:25:07 PM
Reading that was :dizzy

Her bullshit doesn't even make sense but it's clear she thinks she's being very clever.  You know how really small kids, like four year olds, will try to tell a joke?  Only it's completely scrambled and incoherent but they still laugh like crazy afterwards?  Yeah.
It literally reminds me of elementary school when little kids thought that they were educated and clever for pulling the "N-gger just means ignorant" card
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 19, 2012, 05:47:55 PM
Don't re-nig, re-load!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 20, 2012, 09:49:18 PM
So, with Romney crushing Santorum today in Illinois, is that the end of the pretence of Santorum having a chance?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 20, 2012, 10:09:00 PM
Santorum never really had a shot, but he and Newt will stay in it to draw this out as long as possible because they hate Romney.  Ron Paul will stay in it because he lives in a separate reality.  Romney will die by a thousand wingnut cuts.  Expect the craziest, least fun convention of all time ever for the Republicans.  It will make Pat Buchanan's 1992 speech seem like nothing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2012, 10:24:27 PM
Quote from: Boogie on March 20, 2012, 09:49:18 PM
So, with Romney crushing Santorum today in Illinois, is that the end of the pretence of Santorum having a chance?

In most people's mind, yes. But Santorum will likely keep this going, awaiting the PA and TX primaries. If Santorum and Gingrich stay in the race it's very likely that Romney won't get the required delegates to clinch the nomination. Which means the GOP gets a brokered convention and Gaborn will spin Ron Paul's decision to give all his delegates to Romney in exchange for something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 20, 2012, 10:44:27 PM
I had fun with Romney fighting and struggling against such a piss poor crop of competitors.

Also fuck Newt Gingrich.  Had he pulled out early, Santorum could actually be leading the thing.  What an asshole :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2012, 12:06:22 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on March 20, 2012, 10:44:27 PM
I had fun with Romney fighting and struggling against such a piss poor crop of competitors.

Also fuck Newt Gingrich.  Had he pulled out early, Santorum could actually be leading the thing.  What an asshole :maf

There was actually a poll in some recent states and it basically broke down like this for Newt supporters: 40% santorum, 40% romney, 20% paul/whatever.  Crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2012, 12:07:34 AM
Ron Paul got more votes than Gingrich tonight  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Skiptastic on March 21, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2012, 12:07:34 AM
Ron Paul got more votes than Gingrich tonight  :lol

Time to Photoshop Newt into the "Ron Paul sits alone in a room" picture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
Neither one reached the 20% threshold for proportional delegates tho, so I don't believe either will get jack shit from Illinois.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 21, 2012, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2012, 12:07:34 AM
Ron Paul got more votes than Gingrich tonight  :lol
Newt will just attribute it to 'Chicago style politics'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2012, 07:32:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=womXEh8jnTg

(http://tinyurl.com/7rcyhxa)
It's a secret code!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 22, 2012, 12:01:13 AM
so who in nyc-bore wore their hoodie today?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2012, 04:39:58 PM
Gingrich was on Morning Edition today talking about refusing to drop out of the race. Are the GOP candidates so full of themselves that they don't see how much damage this is causing for their party? Don't answer that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 22, 2012, 04:46:46 PM
They all keep going on about how Romney is too moderate and centrist to be a real conservative, but let's face facts, he IS going to the be the GOP nominee. I really shouldn't care since I'm a liberal, but it's an absolute trainwreck and none of them see it. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
Gingrich seems butthurt Romney "stole" the nomination from him with a barrage of negative ads. Santorum is actually winning states and will continue.

Gotta love Ron Paul taking money from supporters just to work to get Romney elected. Such principle!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 22, 2012, 08:21:54 PM
Obongo  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2012, 08:23:36 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/john_edwards_former_dem_presidential_candidate_categorically_denies_using_prostitute.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

As if this guy's nomination for "worst dude of the post aughts" wasn't secure enough
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 23, 2012, 05:00:13 AM
how damaging is this protracted primary season to Rommney?
i mean, the guy has got to be burning through money like mad trying to clinch this thing, will he have fewer resources down the line because of this, will he have donar fatige later on cause he used all his mojo earlier on.  Not to mention the continious line of gaffes he's offered on the campaign trail.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 23, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
Romney will be embarrassed by Obama in the debates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 23, 2012, 09:16:51 AM
It's true that Romney is spending at a very high clip right now and that the return on that spending has been relatively paltry.  But I'm not convinced that this will amount to a major funding issue for Romney when it comes to the general. 

In terms of his image, yes, this is hurting him.  The gaffes are one thing, but it's really the way that he's been pulled further and further to the right in order to contend with the candidates he can't snuff out.  When he's speaking to the general election audience, Obama will only have to point a few months in to the past in order to catch Romney saying something far too red.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 10:55:46 AM
If it wasn't for Citizen's United Romney would be financing his campaign right now, and begging for money. Super PACs are going to ensure he has endless cash for the fall

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 06:00:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAPtUfOs7Gs

The latest right wing cause for outrage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2012, 06:06:30 PM
Obama thinks all black people look alike, who's the real racist??
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 23, 2012, 06:11:57 PM
is there actually outrage about that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 06:24:27 PM
Drudge initially labeled the comment as Obama's entry into the "race fry." Which was followed by an overall claim that Obama is using the tragedy to pander for re-election. Initially the WH refused to discuss the issue, calling it a local law enforcement issue - a fact some are using to argue this is just Obama pivoting after the issue blew up. But...it's not longer a local law enforcement issue, the FBI and Justice Department are now involved.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on March 23, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/zx8t1d.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 23, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
jesus  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 06:43:47 PM
Sharpton is an ambulance chaser, no question. I honestly have more respect for Farrakhan

(I'll be deleting this post in 30 years when I run for office)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 07:30:26 PM
Here we go!

Quote
“What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful,” Gingrich said on the Hannity Radio show. “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background.

“Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him. That’s just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”
http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/gingrich-calls-obama-comments-on-martin-slaying-disgraceful--20120323
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 23, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
I've never seen conservatives so ardently backing an American hispanic before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 23, 2012, 07:52:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 07:30:26 PM
Here we go!

Quote
“What the president said, in a sense, is disgraceful,” Gingrich said on the Hannity Radio show. “It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background.

“Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot, that would be OK because it didn’t look like him. That’s just nonsense dividing this country up. It is a tragedy this young man was shot. It would have been a tragedy if he had been Puerto Rican or Cuban or if he had been white or if he had been Asian American of if he’d been a Native American. At some point, we ought to talk about being Americans. When things go wrong to an American, it is sad for all Americans. Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”
http://nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/gingrich-calls-obama-comments-on-martin-slaying-disgraceful--20120323

I am shocked.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 24, 2012, 03:00:20 AM
as the most respected and visible black man, in the world, and as the leader of the government that's going to eventually fry that shithead's ass, Obama had an obligation to speak out.  I thought his words were heartfelt and fully appropriete.

I swear, Obama should make a big show of how much he enjoys breathing oxygen, just to see how many GOPtards willingly aphixiate themselves to be defiant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2012, 04:59:31 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/23/obama-meets-hawaiian-woman-asks-to-see-her-birth-certificate/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/23/obama-meets-hawaiian-woman-asks-to-see-her-birth-certificate/)
lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 24, 2012, 07:06:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2012, 06:43:47 PM
Sharpton is an ambulance chaser, no question. I honestly have more respect for Farrakhan

(I'll be deleting this post in 30 years when I run for office)


aaaand printscreen....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2012, 11:38:00 PM
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46845257/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.T26S3tWwU_R
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 25, 2012, 06:30:22 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on March 24, 2012, 04:59:31 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/23/obama-meets-hawaiian-woman-asks-to-see-her-birth-certificate/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/23/obama-meets-hawaiian-woman-asks-to-see-her-birth-certificate/)
lol

He's openly mocking the fact that he's gotten away with fooling the American people!

His cockiness must have repercussions!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
Dick Cheney sustains his mortal form with a new heart, blood of the innocent (http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/politics/cheney-transplant-surgery/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
Cheney finally met The Wizard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 25, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
Some more news from the real winner of the 2012 GOP primaries, Ron Paul:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/5978/ron-paul-upsets-rick-santorum-in-missouri-caucuses-buoyed-by-huge-youth-turnout
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/ron-paul-supporters-dominate-gop-caucuses-in-st-louis-jackson/article_4c7977d4-75e0-11e1-858e-001a4bcf6878.html

Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 25, 2012, 08:22:29 AM
Dick Cheney sustains his mortal form with a new heart, blood of the innocent (http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/politics/cheney-transplant-surgery/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)

I heard some story that apparently Dick Cheney didn't look anything like what he looks like now and looks like that is true:

(http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/31/cheneyhighschool.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
Have you seen a recent shot of Cheney? He's almost completely unrecognizable now:

(http://i.imgur.com/ElAMe.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 25, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on March 25, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
Some more news from the real winner of the 2012 GOP primaries, Ron Paul:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/ron-paul-supporters-dominate-gop-caucuses-in-st-louis-jackson/article_4c7977d4-75e0-11e1-858e-001a4bcf6878.html


some of my cousins' husbands went to this to support paul  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2012, 09:49:03 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on March 25, 2012, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on March 25, 2012, 09:24:20 PM
Some more news from the real winner of the 2012 GOP primaries, Ron Paul:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/ron-paul-supporters-dominate-gop-caucuses-in-st-louis-jackson/article_4c7977d4-75e0-11e1-858e-001a4bcf6878.html


some of my cousins' husbands went to this to support paul  :'(

Your cousin is Mormon?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 26, 2012, 01:33:07 AM
fucking dammit i knew i had those apostrophes wrong but i posted it anyway :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 26, 2012, 02:25:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9JTfm7Us4

Was waiting to see how long it'd take the righties to turn Zimmerman into the victim instead of the aggressor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2012, 02:36:24 AM
jeez I can't stand Cenk

I hate doubting evidence that is inconvenient but I do find it odd that one anonymous witness contradicts all the other witnesses, and he's being used by the police and others to justify Zimmerman.

And while I can't stand Cenk, he does bring up an interesting point: theoretically people are arguing that you can chase after someone, start a confrontation, and ultimately shoot the person if you're getting your ass beat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 26, 2012, 04:34:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NMvil.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 26, 2012, 10:08:11 AM
Spot on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2012, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 26, 2012, 01:01:48 PM
Didn't Obama stay out of it for quite some time until it was clear that it might be a federal issue?

that's one way to put it, or..

Quote
Obama and the White House had previously refrained from commenting on the case. Following demands by the New Black Panthers and others on scene in Sanford, Fla. that the White House get involved, Obama jumped into the fight. When first asked about the case, White House spokesman Jay Carney essentially declined comment, offering a boilerplate statement of condolence to Martin’s family.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/23/obama-comments-on-trayvon-martin-case-after-black-panthers-sharpton-ralliers-bemoan-wh-silence-video/#ixzz1qFGhZ8eG
 :derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 26, 2012, 04:34:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NMvil.jpg)

pretty accurate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2012, 01:41:53 PM
Yep, that's totally what Obama meant.




























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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2012, 02:09:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdpN5C1_flQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
MR GUNDAM AND HIS DAUGHTER ARE IN THAT COMMERCIAL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 26, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
One question... what is the point of the video?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2012, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
MR GUNDAM AND HIS DAUGHTER ARE IN THAT COMMERCIAL

Videos are blocked at work, really curious what it is. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2012, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 26, 2012, 02:15:47 PM
One question... what is the point of the video?

That if Small Businesses just had some 999 Tax lovin', they'd be rolling in fat wads of cash.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Enl on March 26, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2012, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
MR GUNDAM AND HIS DAUGHTER ARE IN THAT COMMERCIAL

Videos are blocked at work, really curious what it is. :lol

From what I gather the clip takes place in the apocalypse where creepy girl finds a little bunny and promptly names it "Small Bisness".  Due to the boredom of the apocalypse she places it in a launcher which she has named "Current Tax Code". The launcher shoots it in the air where it turns it into a cheap, green screen effect and her much older lover shoots it with a rifle. As it a splatters into a red bloody mess a black man looks on and a rifle is cocked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2012, 05:33:23 PM
holy shit it does look like Gundam  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 26, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
Quote from: Enl on March 26, 2012, 04:26:11 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2012, 03:23:28 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 26, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
MR GUNDAM AND HIS DAUGHTER ARE IN THAT COMMERCIAL

Videos are blocked at work, really curious what it is. :lol

From what I gather the clip takes place in the apocalypse where creepy girl finds a little bunny and promptly names it "Small Bisness".  Due to the boredom of the apocalypse she places it in a launcher which she has named "Current Tax Code". The launcher shoots it in the air where it turns it into a cheap, green screen effect and her much older lover shoots it with a rifle. As it a splatters into a red bloody mess a black man looks on and a rifle is cocked. A good commerical.

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2012, 06:36:48 PM
When did you start to endorse Cain, Gundam?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 26, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
wow that looks so much like gundam :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2012, 06:48:18 PM
he's gotta feed his kid by any means necessary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2012, 06:56:58 PM
He's preparing for a post-Obama America under the reign of the Chinese Empire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 26, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
:lol I hope I don't look like that guy.

I'm one of those satan worshipping public employee state educators, anyway. I'm about as evil as they come.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 26, 2012, 10:12:24 PM
murderer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2012, 11:06:09 PM
The small businesses were acting suspicious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Enl on March 26, 2012, 11:17:45 PM
I bet they taste delicious braised with a bit of garlic and thyme.

mmm... business...   :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2012, 11:59:59 PM
So, I guess Gundam is the opposite of a job creator?  I'm so confused.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2012, 12:04:28 AM
I feel like we should be incorporating Green Shinobi's ex into the banter at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2012, 03:57:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2012, 02:09:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdpN5C1_flQ

Okay, just saw this. Holy shit, the worst part about the video is you can't even make a parody out of that.  :'(

Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 26, 2012, 11:06:09 PM
The small businesses were acting suspicious.

And were wearing hoodies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 27, 2012, 10:08:58 AM
The pastor in church(lol church) this past Sunday was visibly upset reading that the number of people being born with down syndrome was half of what it should be because of abortion. He was trying to make a case that these people should be saddled with this because "no one ever said it was going to be easy". I was giggling enough to get an elbow nudge from my wife.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2012, 12:08:10 PM
Your church has a required downs syndrome quota?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
Sounds like the health care mandate is going to be ruled unconstitutional. gg Obama
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/toobin-this-law-looks-like-its-going-to
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
Sounds like the health care mandate is going to be ruled unconstitutional. gg Obama
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/toobin-this-law-looks-like-its-going-to


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plaintiffs aiming to strike down the legislation are citing the U.S. Constitution's Kids-With-Pre-Existing-Conditions-Can-Go-Fuck-Themselves clause, which decrees that children who suffer from debilitating illnesses prior to acquiring health insurance "should just go straight to hell." [...] Legal experts noted that if this argument fails, plaintiffs would undoubtedly cite the 24th Amendment's If-You-Don't-Have-Health-Insurance-Already-You-Must-Be-A-Poor-Fuck-Who-Doesn't-Deserve-It-Anyway provision
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Sman on March 27, 2012, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
Sounds like the health care mandate is going to be ruled unconstitutional. gg Obama
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/toobin-this-law-looks-like-its-going-to

It will make the campaign more ineteresting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 27, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
I'm waiting for the fat lady* to sing on this before I get too emotionally involved.

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*then the fat lady dies in her home of diabetes cause she can't afford her perscription
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on March 27, 2012, 02:57:52 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 27, 2012, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2012, 12:36:27 PM
Sounds like the health care mandate is going to be ruled unconstitutional. gg Obama
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/toobin-this-law-looks-like-its-going-to


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plaintiffs aiming to strike down the legislation are citing the U.S. Constitution's Kids-With-Pre-Existing-Conditions-Can-Go-Fuck-Themselves clause, which decrees that children who suffer from debilitating illnesses prior to acquiring health insurance "should just go straight to hell." [...] Legal experts noted that if this argument fails, plaintiffs would undoubtedly cite the 24th Amendment's If-You-Don't-Have-Health-Insurance-Already-You-Must-Be-A-Poor-Fuck-Who-Doesn't-Deserve-It-Anyway provision

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2012, 03:02:44 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/after-rough-day-in-court-an-optimistic-view-for-supporters-of-obamacare.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 02:23:12 PM
Quote
Detroit's financial review team this afternoon declared that the city is under a financial emergency and no consent agreement between the city and state has been adopted, a move that forces Gov. Rick Snyder to appoint an emergency manager within the next 10 days under state law.

...

"This is white on black crime," community activist and Minister Malik Shabazz said from a microphone during public comment. "This is white supremacy. Before you can take over our city, we will burn it down."
http://www.freep.com/article/20120326/NEWS06/120326048/Financial-review-team-declares-emergency-Detroit-agreement-can-still-avert-takeover-10-days?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

God dammit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/28/markets/oil-speculators-prices/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

I can't make up my mind. Is this:

A) Sound economics
B) Economic blackmail
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2012, 04:05:37 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on March 28, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/28/markets/oil-speculators-prices/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

I can't make up my mind. Is this:

A) Sound economics
B) Economic blackmail

Little bit of A, whole lot of B.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 28, 2012, 05:34:13 PM
This is the reason I was supportive of having as many Republican debates as possible:

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Mitt Romney trails Barack Obama by 19 points in basic popularity as the 2012 presidential contest inches closer to the main event, with a record 50 percent of Americans in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll now rating Romney unfavorably overall.
Thirty-four percent hold a favorable opinion of Romney, the lowest for any leading presidential candidate in ABC/Post polls in primary seasons since 1984. His unfavorable score is higher than Obama ever has received; it’s been exceeded by just one other Republican candidate this year, Newt Gingrich, and by only one top candidate in 28 years, Hillary Clinton in 2008.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 28, 2012, 08:08:47 PM
More unhappy polls for Mittens and the Republicans:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/rel3d.pdf


and in key battle ground states:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87037735/Q-swing-3-27
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 08:13:55 PM
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In the head-to-head matchup, independents choose Obama by a 55-40 margin. And while Obama leads 54-43 among registered voters, he defeats Romney 56-40 amongst all respondents
whoa wtf

I'd imagine his numbers will increase once he's the official nominee but jesus, that's quite a hole. On one hand though, I kind of think many voters will like Romney less and less the more they're exposed to him.

I think James Carville is right: Romney cannot beat Obama. Only circumstances can beat Obama. If the economy falls off the cliff again, or if we wind up in another war etc etc, voters will drop him in favor of Romney. Otherwise, looks like Obama might just have too big of a personal and political lead to lose
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 08:25:02 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 28, 2012, 08:21:20 PM
Yup.  Romney had a hard time beating Santorum and Newt Fucking Gingrich.  That means even his own party finds him "barely tolerable."  Obama's team is going to have a field day with the Massachusett's law no matter how the supreme court votes.

I don't know about that last part though. If the law gets shit canned by the SC, all Romney has to say is "my law was constitutional, yours was not." Boom, regardless of the false equivalency. If it's upheld by the SC though, I really see no way how Romney can attack it. Every time he defends Romneycare it sounds like he's defending Obamacare, especially when talking about "free riders" with no insurance making everyone's premiums go up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 28, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 28, 2012, 08:08:47 PM
More unhappy polls for Mittens and the Republicans:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/rel3d.pdf


and in key battle ground states:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87037735/Q-swing-3-27

You know what I find nuts about that polling?

Obama assassinates*  fuckin' Osama bin Laden and only gets a two percent bump in his approval rating, to 54%, which drops back down to 48 by mid-June!  The dude just can't catch a break!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 28, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
So Romney actually said this:

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Romney said he has some connections to Wisconsin.

“One of most humorous I think relates to my father. You may remember my father, George Romney, was president of an automobile company called American Motors … They had a factory in Michigan, and they had a factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and another one in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,” said Romney. “And as the president of the company he decided to close the factory in Michigan and move all the production to Wisconsin. Now later he decided to run for governor of Michigan and so you can imagine that having closed the factory and moved all the production to Wisconsin was a very sensitive issue to him, for his campaign.”

Romney said he recalled a parade in which the school band marching with his father’s campaign only knew the Wisconsin fight song, not the Michigan song.

“So every time they would start playing ‘On Wisconsin, on Wisconsin,’ my dad’s political people would jump up and down and try to get them to stop, because they didn’t want people in Michigan to be reminded that my dad had moved production to Wisconsin,” said Romney, laughing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/28/1078619/-Mitt-Romney-relates-to-the-locals-again

The man is the worst politician in history.

Quote from: Boogie on March 28, 2012, 08:52:05 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 28, 2012, 08:08:47 PM
More unhappy polls for Mittens and the Republicans:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/28/rel3d.pdf


and in key battle ground states:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87037735/Q-swing-3-27

You know what I find nuts about that polling?

Obama assassinates*  fuckin' Osama bin Laden and only gets a two percent bump in his approval rating, to 54%, which drops back down to 48 by mid-June!  The dude just can't catch a break!

It's like what Seth Meyers said after the assassination (paraphrasing a bit):

"After the death of Osama Bin Laden, President Obama's approval rating rose to 54%. In other words,  there is quite literally nothing he can do to please the other 46%."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on March 28, 2012, 11:08:38 PM
Quote from: Boogie on March 28, 2012, 08:52:05 PM

You know what I find nuts about that polling?

Obama assassinates*  fuckin' Osama bin Laden and only gets a two percent bump in his approval rating, to 54%, which drops back down to 48 by mid-June!  The dude just can't catch a break!

Because the only people who get a true fuck hard on for that kind of stuff weren't ever going to vote for Obama anyway.


...of course I am sure you knew that anyway  :'(  (just felt like joining in)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
The Bin Laden thing is funny cause Repubs prefer an open ended war. Now that OBL is dead, it's Obama's fault we are wastin money over there. If he were still alive it would be justified.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2012, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 28, 2012, 09:57:50 PM
So Romney actually said this:

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Romney said he has some connections to Wisconsin.

“One of most humorous I think relates to my father. You may remember my father, George Romney, was president of an automobile company called American Motors … They had a factory in Michigan, and they had a factory in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and another one in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,” said Romney. “And as the president of the company he decided to close the factory in Michigan and move all the production to Wisconsin. Now later he decided to run for governor of Michigan and so you can imagine that having closed the factory and moved all the production to Wisconsin was a very sensitive issue to him, for his campaign.”

Romney said he recalled a parade in which the school band marching with his father’s campaign only knew the Wisconsin fight song, not the Michigan song.

“So every time they would start playing ‘On Wisconsin, on Wisconsin,’ my dad’s political people would jump up and down and try to get them to stop, because they didn’t want people in Michigan to be reminded that my dad had moved production to Wisconsin,” said Romney, laughing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/28/1078619/-Mitt-Romney-relates-to-the-locals-again

The man is the worst politician in history.

Hahaha, oh wow. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgY-dP6mLs
 ???

this guy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2012, 12:53:13 PM
The very definition of "not getting it."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 29, 2012, 12:55:07 PM
whoops, Romney forgot he wasn't at the country club again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2012, 01:00:19 PM
Just thinking about that story made Romney laugh so hard, his monocle popped out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 29, 2012, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on March 29, 2012, 01:00:19 PM
Just thinking about that story made Romney laugh so hard, his monocle popped out.
:lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 29, 2012, 07:25:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kGTsKzX5k
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on March 29, 2012, 07:25:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kGTsKzX5k

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/mitt-romney-plans-11-062-square-foot-oceanfront-palace-san-diego-article-1.1052531

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http://www.celebrityhousepictures.com/mitt-romney.php
http://www.celebrityhousepictures.com/mitt-romney.php?housephotos=2
http://www.celebrityhousepictures.com/mitt-romney.php?housephotos=3
http://www.celebrityhousepictures.com/mitt-romney.php?housephotos=4
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2012, 12:54:17 PM
Oh shit.  Oh fucking shit.

Guys.  You'll never believe this shit.  Apparently, the President... READS.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1943976257173&set=p.1943976257173&type=1&ref=nf

Yup.  He's a reader.  But not only is he a reader, he reads books by MUSLIMS ABOUT POST-AMERICA!  HOLY FUCKING SHIT, SEKRIT MUSLIN CONFIRMED!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 30, 2012, 01:03:00 PM
Oh yeah, "the Post-American World" is a real radical text :rolleyes.

And that Fareed Zakaria guy, sounds like one of them Death to America types.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 30, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
Zakaria's guidelines for the US in the 'post-American world'
1 Choose - Choose priorities rather than trying to have it all
2 Build broad rules, not narrow interests - Recommit to international institutions and mechanisms
3 Be Bismarck, not Britain - Maintain excellent relations with everyone, rather than offset and balance emerging powers
4 Order à la carte - Address problems through a variety of different structures (e.g. sometimes UN, sometimes NATO, sometimes OAS)
5 Think asymmetrically - Respond to problems (e.g. drug cartels, terrorists, etc.) proportionately and do not respond to bait (i.e. small attacks meant to draw attention)
6 Legitimacy is power - Legitimacy creates the means to set agendas, define crises, and mobilize support

Smells like terrorism to me. And Muslimism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2012, 01:41:56 PM
Look, guys, maybe you should stop listening to what the liberal media wants you to hear and actually do some digging of your own into the subject. Check out this quote I found from the book and decide for yourself:

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The world is moving from anger to indifference, from anti-Americanism to post-Americanism. The fact that new powers are more strongly asserting their interests is the reality of the post-American world. It also raises the political conundrum of how to achieve international objectives in a world of many actors, state and nonstate. Oh, and death to America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2012, 02:21:16 PM
Fuck you Scott Walker, you got what you deserve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2012, 02:30:50 PM
The worse thing about this stuff is that elected officials legitimize it. There will always be crazy people saying crazy things, but when people in power give them cover it can become a problem. I don't remember democrats bluntly arguing Bush hated America or the troops, was purposely putting the country in danger in order to weaken America, insinuating Bush had something to do with 911, etc.

Candidates for president are blatantly arguing that Obama is selling out the country's security to Russia/Putin, supports Iran more than Israel, is cutting the defense budget to a point where soldiers will be put in major risk, etc. At what point does this toxic language cease?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 30, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: The Business on March 30, 2012, 02:17:51 PM
I like Fareed Zakaria. I should read that.

It's pretty good.  Not super meaty or crazy insightful, but it's a solid read.  And a good, accessible one for actual policymakers (like, say, the president) to get value from.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 30, 2012, 02:58:16 PM
I mean that it's accessible.  Ie. not guns germs and steel, or something that would be too daunting for someone who's not already really versed in international relations.  Like a senator or president who has so many diverse pressures that he can't afford the time and energy to dive in to a really deep IR tome.

Most of the concepts and analysis in the book are the sort of stuff that you will have probably heard about before.  But it's well written and argued and well put together, and a relatively quick read to get through.

If that makes more sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
Especially affirmative action people-in-power
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2012, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 30, 2012, 12:54:17 PM
Oh shit.  Oh fucking shit.

Guys.  You'll never believe this shit.  Apparently, the President... READS.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1943976257173&set=p.1943976257173&type=1&ref=nf

Yup.  He's a reader.  But not only is he a reader, he reads books by MUSLIMS ABOUT POST-AMERICA!  HOLY FUCKING SHIT, SEKRIT MUSLIN CONFIRMED!

The grasping at straws to attack Obama I see, hear, and read coming from the Right on a daily basis literally makes me want to vomit. And I don't even really like Obama!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 30, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on March 30, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
Yes, "time constraints" like running the most powerful country in the world fundraising.  People in power have always relied on others to distill complex matters for them.

 :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 30, 2012, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: The Business on March 30, 2012, 03:04:00 PM
If our policy makers are only doing a little light reading on international relations and avoiding the scholarly stuff because of "time constraints" we are fucking doomed. :(

I share your unease at the concept, but I do believe that's more or less the way things are, with some exceptions, of course.

I mean, I know how you might want to believe otherwise, especially at the moment.  After all, Obama is a bright dude, was president of Harvard Law Review, etc. etc.  He's a naturally inquisitive and curious person.  But I'd still be surprised if he really was very familiar with IR theories beyond your basic Realism vs. neoliberalism sort of thing.

And, of course, all you have to do is go back four years to Dubya to see the idea taken to the extreme.  Or today's Congress.  Michelle Bachman sits on the House Permanent Select Committee for Intelligence in what I can only assume is the US government's way of teaching its citizens what an oxymoron is.

Dan Drezner at Foreign Policy wrote a few short blog posts about the idea of what the best suggestions for foreign policy reading are for American politicians:

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/26/announcing_the_ir_101_contest

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There's a reason foreign  affairs is at the bottom -- in the post-Cold War world, the American public doesn't care and doesn't know much about international relations.  Short of the presidential level, developing expertise or interest in that area does nothing for a politician's electoral chances -- and even at the presidential leve it's a mixed bag.

With this kind of mindset, giving a Senator a copy of Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War and assuming they'll get really hooked on the story is faintly absurd.  Many of my academic brethren might proffer up one of the more recent classics in international relations theory.  To which I say, "BWA HA HA HA HA!!!!"  Neither Kenneth Waltz nor Bruce Bueno de Mesquita would last as long in a politicians' hands as Thucydides.

No, if you're educating a politician from scratch, you need something relatively pithy, accessible, relevant to current events, and America-centric.  Given those criteria, Friedman's oeuvre makes some kind of inuitive sense, no matter how wrong or ripe for satire it is.  I mean, what's the alternative -- Three Cups of Tea?

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/30/what_should_aspiring_politicians_read_in_ir_the_readers_strike_back

http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/03/the_five_must_read_us_foreign_policv_books_for_aspring_politicians

Or just listen to the Republican presidential candidates on the rare occasion that they speak about foreign policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 30, 2012, 07:56:01 PM
Anybody who writes a book titled Theories of International Politics and Zombies is all right by me!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
Neither here nor there, but Zakaria is really bad when he's not talking foreign policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2012, 11:11:58 PM
speaking of probing foreign policy discussion
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137360/charli-carpenter/game-of-thrones-as-theory
 :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2012, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 30, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
Neither here nor there, but Zakaria is really bad when he's not talking foreign policy.

He suffers from the "let's dick punch the poor as a way for them to get some skin in the game" Washington groupthink on domestic stuff, for sure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2012, 01:13:00 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 31, 2012, 01:10:45 AM
Quote from: Mandark on March 30, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
Neither here nor there, but Zakaria is really bad when he's not talking foreign policy.

He suffers from the "let's dick punch the poor as a way for them to get some skin in the game" Washington groupthink on domestic stuff, for sure.

It's the only way you can get into those Georgetown dinner parties. I can imagine him walking into some huge townhouse and seeing David Brooks sitting on Paul Ryan's lap listening to stories. Then Arianna Huffington walks by and says "they got you too, huh"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 31, 2012, 02:10:32 PM
The experience I had with student loans is a gentle dicking compared to the hard ass ramming that students are now going to have to face:

http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/students/english/recentChangesSA.jsp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2012, 03:43:16 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 31, 2012, 03:48:28 PM
 :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 01, 2012, 09:37:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk4l2PXS_gk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 01, 2012, 11:53:22 PM
Jeez, at least put a :nsfw on these kind of Mormon dirty jokes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 02, 2012, 01:45:52 PM
Im enjoying THE MADDOW's new book Drift

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bHrkleAvL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Also, the GOP Def Force in the amazon reviews = hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2012, 02:01:33 PM
The freak out over her Jefferson quote is weird. Sure she mis-quotes it in terms of the orignal sentence...

Quote
I told him that the idea of having no military posts on either side was new to me: that it had never been mentioned among the members of the executive: that therefore I could only speak for myself and sa that, prima facie, it accorded well with two favorite ideas of mine, of leaving commerce free, and never keeping an unnecessary soldier; but when he spoke of having no military posts on either side, there might be difficult in fixing the distance of the nearest posts.

-Jefferson

...but he does clearly state that not keeping unnecessary soldiers is a favorite idea of his. She should have just said "Jefferson once said that not keeping unnecessary soldiers was a favorite idea of his." It's something you'd probably lose points over in an English class, but it's not deceptive or a lie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 02, 2012, 02:15:08 PM
Thats the kind of stuff you go after when you dont have anything legitimate to bitch about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2012, 05:49:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Y3nUvRQ7s

what the fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
Wow, Mitt Romney must be Hitler plus Satan if he's actually WORSE than Obama!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
It's true, I got a $50 quickie abortion just last week at the Mitt Romney Memorial Abortionplex and Job Killingnasium.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 02, 2012, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on April 02, 2012, 08:57:24 PM
It's true, I got a $50 quickie abortion just last week at the Mitt Romney Memorial Abortionplex and Job Killingnasium.

That's where I'm getting gay married next month!  Small world!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2012, 02:48:56 AM
http://massresistance.org/romney/jct_robo_call.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 05, 2012, 06:35:47 PM
Just got my 2012 Presidential Platform Survey from the Republican Party in the mail

This thing is a hoot.
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Section 1.  Presidential performance Issues

2. How Important is it to voters in your state for republican candidates to give attention to the following issues during the 2012 campaign?
aside from stuff like Keep taxes Low and Reducing Federal Spending I have
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Exposing Obama's radical left-wing policies; _ Very Important _ Somewhat Important _ Not Important
Repealing Obamacare: _ Very Important _ Somewhat Important _ Not Important
Reining in government employee's unions; _ Very Important _ Somewhat Important _ Not Important
I'm too lazy to type it all out, but you can read it here

http://www.gop.com/PlatformSurveyEmail/PlatformSurveyEmail.htm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 05, 2012, 09:53:10 PM
(http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1333677015550.jpg)

 :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 05, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
So they're going to wait until January 2017 to hire again ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2012, 10:12:52 PM
Speaking of which, looks like tomorrow will be another 200k+ jobs report. With the participation rate rising who knows whether UE will decline, increase, or remain stagnant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on April 05, 2012, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 05, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
So they're going to wait until January 2017 to hire again ???

And that's only if OBUMMER doesn't repeal the two term presidency limit, abolish democracy, and announce himself Kenyan Emperor of the Americas. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2012, 01:52:55 AM
All those jobs are McDonald's level jobs they're saying, I realize a job is a job but damn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 02:20:59 AM
 ???

Manufacturing has been ticking up for awhile, a lot of those jobs aren't bad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2012, 03:13:17 AM
I'd expect the new jobs to be disproportionately low-skill, cause I'm pretty sure those are the ones that got really hammered by the recession.  There were some stats about relative unemployment rates and the "no college" rates were pretty horrendous, iirc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 06, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
Isn't the UE rate for college graduates around 7%? 

Anyways, jobs report came in completely underwhelming at 120,000. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Sman on April 06, 2012, 01:14:05 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
Isn't the UE rate for college graduates around 7%? 

Probably even lower if you don't count those with philosophy/theology majors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 02:38:46 PM
Pretty shocking jobs report. Every economic indicator suggested we'd see a big jobs number today, from UI gains to the ADP's estimates to increased manufacturing. I don't remember the last time the BLS was nearly 100k off of the estimates. Usually it's like 10-30k, maybe 40k. But 100k?

In terms of good news, UE dropped despite the participation rate going up, and some revisions:

Quote
The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for January was revised from
+284,000 to +275,000, and the change for February was revised from +227,000
to +240,000.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2012, 03:34:32 PM
http://www.ifc.com/portlandia/videos/portlandia-unemployment
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on April 06, 2012, 03:47:58 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/06/food-service-jobs--march-2012_n_1408158.html?ref=business

Quote
Restaurants and the food service industry added 188,500 jobs in March, well more than the net gain of 120,000 jobs in the economy as a whole when jobs losses in other sectors are factored in, according to the Labor Department.

Yet the food service and restaurant sector carries another distinction: This is one of just two sectors with wage declines over the past year, according to a new report by PayScale, an online compensation data website. Wages for food service and restaurant jobs dipped 0.6 percent, from March 2011 to March 2012. In contrast, U.S. wages in all industries rose 1.4 percent on average during that same stretch. (The legal sector also experienced wage declines.)

Restaurant and food service jobs are traditionally among some of the lowest paying positions in the U.S. economy, with the average wage in 2010 at just $18,130 per year, according to the Labor Department.

"The growth that is happening in this sector is not really encouraging for the economy," said Katie Bardaro, PayScale's lead economist. "A lot of people are going into [food services who] could have gone into higher-paying better jobs that they are more qualified for. But they can't find them."

Food service wages plunged more than 3 percent from mid-2008 to mid-2009, according to PayScale.

Americans have begun to dine out more often, a reason for the numerous openings in the food sector, but consumers are also eating less per meal, Bardaro said. That means restaurants want to hire more hands at minimum wage or part-time, she said.

The boom in low-wage restaurant jobs may provide much needed relief to some, but it's not necessarily good for the economy as a whole in the long run, she said. The skilled workers who are taking positions in restaurants to make ends meet are losing the skills that they developed through higher education or other jobs, Bardaro said. If that happens, the economy misses out on potential innovation and job creation.

"We have all of these college graduates who are trained in a particular field, and they cannot find jobs in their chosen field," Bardaro said. "Those fields are losing out on new fresh minds and new fresh ideas."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire

Shit gets really good on the second page.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 06:43:39 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 06, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire

Shit gets really good on the second page.

I took it as a typical conservative false equivalency/satire. In response to black parents telling their male kids to be careful to avoid police or race tensions, a white parent telling their kids to be careful to avoid black criminals. My brain hurts too much from shaking my head to possibly get mad over this.

My parents drilled safety into my head at a very young age. It wasn't a case of them telling me that white people are racist, and therefore I must protect myself pre-emptively. Just simple stuff: don't have your hands in your pockets while in a store, make sure your hands are easily viewable if you're stopped by the police in your car, always carry ID on you, even if you're just walking down the street to a friend's house, etc. I'd imagine many parents of all colors give similar advice to their kids; I have an Arab friend whose parents give her a long list of do's and don'ts while on an airplane. The difference being it's more serious for black kids throughout the country due to stereotypes.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2012, 06:51:59 PM
Oh, he's using the false equivalency as a framing device, but he's dead serious.  Derbyshire has also written that women reach their peak attractiveness at ~15 years old, which is why teen girls get raped so damn much.

Wish I were kidding (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/217625/february-fooled-forsythia/john-derbyshire).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 06, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 06, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire

Shit gets really good on the second page.

After finishing that I had to glance up at the top to check if the posted date was April 1st.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 06, 2012, 07:04:35 PM
(http://www.nationalreview.com/sites/default/files/nfs/uploaded/page_2012_derbyshire_square.jpg)

I've seen "I have a black friend" disclaimers, but I've never seen a "I have a 13yo daughter" disclaimer before. He has to be a long standing troll, there's no way this is a serious adult
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 06, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM9DVC7kd7s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 06, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
Some of my best friends are IWSBs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 07, 2012, 05:55:25 AM
I definitely don't like David Brooks, but he should be kept around if only to give someone like Charlie Pierce a reason to continue blogging:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-brooks-other-obama-7890505
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 07, 2012, 05:01:37 PM
Interesting legal viewpoint on upholding Obamacare: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2012/04/bounded-minimalist-way-to-uphold-aca.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 07, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
Here's another story that is kind of interesting: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/04/05/149997097/what-americans-buy

It compares what Americans bought in 1949 vs. 2011.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2012, 05:26:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 07, 2012, 05:55:25 AM
I definitely don't like David Brooks, but he should be kept around if only to give someone like Charlie Pierce a reason to continue blogging:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-brooks-other-obama-7890505

bububububububububut he fisked him obviously everything he said should be discounted
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 07, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 06, 2012, 06:31:04 PM
http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire

Shit gets really good on the second page.

absolutely fucking disgusting; the saddest thing is that this is just explicitly laying out what most white people tend to believe

meanwhile:
http://news.yahoo.com/police-shootings-tulsa-okla-3-killed-130553271.html

white dude drives around shooting random black people, injures 2 and kills 3

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2012, 06:57:18 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on April 07, 2012, 06:24:56 PM
meanwhile:
http://news.yahoo.com/police-shootings-tulsa-okla-3-killed-130553271.html

white dude drives around shooting random black people, injures 2 and kills 3

Quote
crime rate has already dropped, keep on shooting

Quote
Its high time vigilantism made a huge comeback, and we took out the drug dealers like this guy did...

Quote
I'll bet my recent MegaMillions winnings the shooter is black. They are killing themselves and yet still want to blame it on the whites for all their inadequecies. When will they ever wake up and see the enemy, and the enemy is THEM!

Quote
Who is out walking at 1:00 a.m.? I'd say the neighborhood watch is on its toes.

:-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 07, 2012, 07:38:52 PM
my local paper just switched their comments section over to facebook-linked posting, so now people have to use their real faces & names.  i hoped it'd cut down on the ignorance, but of course it hasn't.  most of these fucks think they're speaking truth to pc liberals, so they go right ahead with their bullshit.  makes me sick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 07, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on April 07, 2012, 07:38:52 PM
my local paper just switched their comments section over to facebook-linked posting, so now people have to use their real faces & names. i hoped it'd cut down on the ignorance, but of course it hasn't.  most of these fucks think they're speaking truth to pc liberals, so they go right ahead with their bullshit.  makes me sick

I don't know why you would think this.  Personally, a lot of the conservatives I know love to spout their bullshit to anyone, even without provocation to do so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2012, 07:42:03 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on April 07, 2012, 07:38:52 PM
my local paper just switched their comments section over to facebook-linked posting, so now people have to use their real faces & names.  i hoped it'd cut down on the ignorance, but of course it hasn't.  most of these fucks think they're speaking truth to pc liberals, so they go right ahead with their bullshit.  makes me sick

Around MLK day, there were a bunch of fb posts where people felt a-ok about posting "Happy Dead N***** Day" like it was just a cool thing to do, and didn't care that they were basically publicly exposing themselves as racists.  People are fucking stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2012, 12:48:56 AM
Whoa, NRO canned Derbyshire
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295514/parting-ways-rich-lowry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2012, 12:51:59 AM
To nobody's tears.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 08, 2012, 12:56:42 AM
I wonder if they turned the comments off for that announcement, I'd expect lots of pissed off people concerned about FREE SPEECH up in there. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 08, 2012, 03:17:29 AM
http://takimag.com/article/im_so_bored_with_mlk#axzz1rJCE7FV0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 08, 2012, 03:25:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2012, 12:48:56 AM
Whoa, NRO canned Derbyshire
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295514/parting-ways-rich-lowry

Political correctness scores another victim, it seems.  :'(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38O-PcjXh0k
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 08, 2012, 03:42:58 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 08, 2012, 03:17:29 AM
http://takimag.com/article/im_so_bored_with_mlk#axzz1rJCE7FV0

*looks around at website*

let us never link to this awful, awful site again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2012, 04:29:56 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 08, 2012, 12:56:42 AM
I wonder if they turned the comments off for that announcement, I'd expect lots of pissed off people concerned about FREE SPEECH up in there.

If his name was Derb'Shawn he'd still have a job!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 09, 2012, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 08, 2012, 12:56:42 AM
I wonder if they turned the comments off for that announcement, I'd expect lots of pissed off people concerned about FREE SPEECH up in there.

Free speech is still free. The consequences of free speech aren't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 09, 2012, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Max
We all know Iran is less than a decade away from a viable nuke.  Pakistan already has 'em, and they're just a rat's fart away from a full-blown Islamic revolution.  Same for Saudi.

Which do you think is scarier -- a Sharia state controlling our energy resources, or a Sharia state with nuclear weapons?  Because that's what we're looking at, within our lifetime.

Meanwhile, the world keeps getting hotter and before you know it, honest soccer moms won't be able to afford to run the air conditioners in their SUVs!  Unless we act.

Its time we took the bull by the horns, mister President.  The people are looking to us for leadership.  We've always known that World War Three would be fought in the middle east...
...and I say we get our retaliation in first.
quick question, is this a comic book villain from 2005, or the current Republican platform on Iran today?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
its the main bad guy from the Vertigo comic, The Losers.
[close]
This probably belongs more in the comic thread, but it was so damn close to what's considered mainstream political opinion that I felt compelled to post it.  I can't wait until Mitt Romney gets tips from Lex Luthor's run for president.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 09, 2012, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Max
We all know Iran is less than a decade away from a viable nuke.  Pakistan already has 'em, and they're just a rat's fart away from a full-blown Islamic revolution.  Same for Saudi.

Which do you think is scarier -- a Sharia state controlling our energy resources, or a Sharia state with nuclear weapons?  Because that's what we're looking at, within our lifetime.

Meanwhile, the world keeps getting hotter and before you know it, honest soccer moms won't be able to afford to run the air conditioners in their SUVs!  Unless we act.

Its time we took the bull by the horns, mister President.  The people are looking to us for leadership.  We've always known that World War Three would be fought in the middle east...
...and I say we get our retaliation in first.
quick question, is this a comic book villain from 2005, or the current Republican platform on Iran today?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
its the main bad guy from the Vertigo comic, The Losers.
[close]
This probably belongs more in the comic thread, but it was so damn close to what's considered mainstream political opinion that I felt compelled to post it.  I can't wait until Mitt Romney gets tips from Lex Luthor's run for president.

That was easy, the giveaway was that he acknowledged global warming.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2012, 12:49:06 PM
Let me get this straight. Iran is the most dangerous rogue nation OF ALL TIME. They're mere moments away from getting a nuclear weapon, meaning we have to strike as soon as possible or face the destruction of Israel. It's only a matter of time before -

Quote
Abbasi said Tehran could stop its production of 20 percent enriched uranium needed for a research reactor, and continue enriching uranium to lower levels for power generation.

This could take place once Iran has stockpiled enough of the 20 percent enriched uranium, Abbasi told state TV. The 20 percent enriched material can be used for medical research and treatments.

The enrichment issue lies at the core of the dispute between Iran and the West, which fears Tehran is seeking an atomic weapon - a charge the country denies, insisting its uranium program is for peaceful purposes only.

Uranium has to be enriched to more than 90 percent to be used for a nuclear weapon, but with Iran enriching uranium to 20 percent levels, there are concerns it has come a step closer to nuclear weapons capability.
http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_6776/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Q8xO1hFb

You've got to be shitting me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 09, 2012, 12:55:45 PM
Most actual US intelligence reports have shown that Iran isn't doing anything to make nuclear weapons, just that there is a will within the country's leadership.  That's why the entire military leadership is saying "hey it's not a good idea to act" while know-it-all presidential nominees are beating the war drum and causing a ruckus. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 09, 2012, 10:42:05 PM
I'm gonna meet radical black neo-nazis Tavis Smiley and Cornell West later this week. :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2012, 12:35:52 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 09, 2012, 10:42:05 PM
I'm gonna meet radical black neo-nazis Tavis Smiley and Cornell West later this week. :hyper

Describe Maurice to them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2012, 12:43:32 AM
Isn't West on the anti-Obama far left brigade, and isn't Smiley still mad Obama won't do his show now that all these white people are watching his every move?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2012, 12:54:14 AM
West in particular has made some pretty insulting speculations on Obama's psychology, iirc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2012, 02:00:28 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/the-end-of-my-white-guilt/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 10, 2012, 06:22:57 AM
a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2012, 09:41:30 AM
Quote from: Phoe;nix Dark on April 10, 2012, 02:00:28 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/the-end-of-my-white-guilt/

First comment got it

Quote
Quick translation: MY bike got stolen, and I've always been a racist, but now I'm going to say so out loud and will accept no criticism, because see the thing before about my bike. MY bike.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2012, 12:26:48 PM
http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2012/04/we-whites-should-all-lose-our-guilt/

Quote
It’s time to push back against liberals who have goaded whites into guilt. In light of the crimes blacks have committed against whites in the last 100 years, I say it’s even. Move on.

Nailed it. Blacks may have had it rough for a few hundred years, but surely enough bikes have been stolen to make up for that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 10, 2012, 01:26:48 PM
Can we stop discussing that article now please?  Haha.  Yes.  So funny.  Because I am suffocated in a white guilt shithole every day, I don't need it online.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
Santorum quits:
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POLITICO Breaking News
-------------------------------------------------
Rick Santorum is suspending his GOP presidential campaign, a source close to the campaign told POLITICO. He will make the announcement in Gettysburg, Pa., shortly.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rick-santorum-calls-mitt-romney-concede-180027008.html
Quote
Rick Santorum called Mitt Romney Tuesday to say he is ending his presidential campaign, Yahoo News has learned.

Santorum is scheduled to make an announcement at a press conference in Gettysburg, Pa., at 2 p.m. ET.

Calls to several campaign aides from Yahoo News were not returned before the event.

Also, Herman Cain dumps Newt (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/74986.html):
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Herman Cain made clear Tuesday that he is ready to throw his support behind Mitt Romney, making no mention of his endorsement of Newt Gingrich.

“I have always said I will support whoever the nominee is and it looks like Mitt Romney’s going to be that nominee, and we do need to get behind him,” Cain said on Fox News. “I remind people all the time … ‘Keep your eye on the mission.’ And the mission is to get control of the Senate, maintain control of the House and defeat Barack Obama. That means get behind the nominee, so, yes, I’m ready to get behind the nominee.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2012, 02:26:57 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo...  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 10, 2012, 03:05:13 PM
Nooo, Rick! Noooooo!! The Carnival Of Stupid must continue!!

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 10, 2012, 03:26:32 PM
In the end, Santorum pulled out after repeatedly coming in number two.  :'(

Goodnight, sweet prince.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 10, 2012, 03:26:49 PM
Great article about young people getting screwed over the most in the recession... an argument how the largest cause for political strife is old vs. young, and how neither political party gives a fuck about the young.

http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412?src=soc_fcbk (http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412?src=soc_fcbk)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Sman on April 10, 2012, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 10, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
Santorum quits

Obamaville will now become reality in 2014?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
Glenn Beck has a new set (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/04/09/yes-glenn-was-at-the-oval-office-this-weekend/):
(http://www.glennbeck.com/publish/uploads/2012/04/PresBeck3-640x451.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2012, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on April 10, 2012, 03:38:21 PM
(http://www.glennbeck.com/publish/uploads/2012/04/PresBeck3-640x451.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2012, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: tiesto on April 10, 2012, 03:26:49 PM
Great article about young people getting screwed over the most in the recession... an argument how the largest cause for political strife is old vs. young, and how neither political party gives a fuck about the young.

http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412?src=soc_fcbk (http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412?src=soc_fcbk)

Old people suck, as I believe I've mentioned on this forum before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 10, 2012, 07:08:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fMBah.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 10, 2012, 07:09:53 PM
Quote from: tiesto on April 10, 2012, 03:26:49 PM
Great article about young people getting screwed over the most in the recession... an argument how the largest cause for political strife is old vs. young, and how neither political party gives a fuck about the young.

http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412?src=soc_fcbk (http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412?src=soc_fcbk)

during my job search my parents tried to use the argument that i wasn't trying hard enough because they always get job offers all the time!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 10, 2012, 07:27:45 PM
Baby boomers more or less feel that the government should serve them and only them.  It is the responsibility of the rest of us to prop them up because they earned it, damn it!

Also, Santorum dropping out is shitty news.  I really hoped Newt would concede instead and give all delegates over to Santorum.  I wanted this thing dragged out to the very end.  Unfortunately, it seems like the wagons are starting to collectively circle around Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
Been reading some of the popular Republican blogs. Most of the bloggers are standard, "it's over, now it's time to get behind Romney" as you would expect. A portion of the comments though are similar to in the wake of Hillary finally losing last time, you have some people holding out (the superdelegates could still switch to Hillary!) for Newt* unifying the opposition, and others who are vowing to never support that Marxist Mitt Romney. Even saw a few "if Ron Paul is the only person left standing between us and this left-wing establishment plant then I will vote for Paul and ask the Lord for forgiveness" on one blog.

The most popular idea for the non-locksteppers though is Sarah Palin and a Tea Party independent run.

Also, I learned that Drudge smeared and sabotaged Newt's campaign by posting the things he was saying. And that's he's just another liberal lamestream media hack now.

All in all, it's mostly:
(http://i.imgur.com/mywFg.jpg)

* http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/53886982-90/utah-romney-gingrich-campaign.html.csp
Quote
Five Republicans have filed the necessary papers and $500 fee to qualify for the June 26 Utah presidential primary election, but with Rick Santorum dropping out of the race Tuesday, only four will be on the ballot.

Or possibly three.

Newt Gingrich’s check bounced.

Utah Elections Director Mark Thomas said a designated agent for the Gingrich campaign brought the filing papers and a check for $500 in March, but the state was notified by the bank that the check had bounced. He said the office has tried to contact the Gingrich campaign through the telephone number and email provided on the application, but has not received a response.

Recently, the state sent a certified letter to the campaign, stating that if the fee isn’t paid by April 20, Gingrich will be disqualified and will not be on the ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2012, 09:13:04 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 10, 2012, 07:27:45 PM
Baby boomers more or less feel that the government should serve them and only them.  It is the responsibility of the rest of us to prop them up because they earned it, damn it!

Also, Santorum dropping out is shitty news.  I really hoped Newt would concede instead and give all delegates over to Santorum.  I wanted this thing dragged out to the very end.  Unfortunately, it seems like the wagons are starting to collectively circle around Romney.

But with Santorum out of the way, all the Santorum votes could go to Newt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 10, 2012, 09:24:18 PM
 :lol :lol :lol Gingrich's check bouncing is like something from The Onion.  Good Lord
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
Santorum's an asshole, but he ran quite a surprising campaign. I don't know how much of it was due to him or the fact that voters rejected the other crazy candidates first, but he actually got his hands dirty campaigning. He wasn't selling books and going on Fox News every day; dude went to every county in Iowa.

It's kind of depressing that he's the strongest republican primary foe to the eventual nominee since Reagan in 1976. Yea, the guy who got blown out of the Senate, has the most archaic social views of any candidate in years, made some of the ugliest gaffes in recent history ("I said blah people, not black people!") etc morphed into a...legitimate...national....primary candidate.

If Romney loses in November, Santorum will be a major player in 2016. Yea, Christie will probably wipe the flood with him regardless, but Santorum has completely revived his political life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2012, 12:56:51 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2012, 10:30:55 PM

When Romney loses in November, Santorum will be a shit player in 2016. Yea, Christie will wipe the flood with him, but Santorum has completely fucked his political life.

Santorum ain't getting ANYTHING in 2016.  All the strong Republican candidates are waiting around for '16, because the base KNEW they had no one for 2012.  Santorum will be the Bachmann of 2016.

Also, I hope with Christie out, Cory Booker vies for the Governor spot.  I smell President on that fucking man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 11, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
I'll be out of America by 2016.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2012, 01:01:25 AM
good, who wants ya

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:'(
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 01:23:54 AM
This isn't a given for Obama, the economy is still a bad cough away from another nosedive.

anyway who's gonna start dat Cuomo 2016 hype train  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2012, 01:36:53 AM
lol no PD, this is pretty much fucking over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2012, 02:39:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
If Romney loses in November, Santorum will be a major player in 2016. Yea, Christie will probably wipe the flood with him regardless, but Santorum has completely revived his political life.

This is ludicrous.  All of the smart people (Christie, Mitch Daniels, Jeb Bush, Tebow help us even Sarah Palin) who weren't dumb enough to run this year will destroy Santorum in 2016 if he's dumb enough to run again.  Which he probably is, but whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 11, 2012, 04:07:25 AM
It would continue the trend of whoever comes in "second" in the Republican primaries usually getting nominated next time around, though (cuz it's HIS TURN lulz). Bush -> McCain -> Romney -> Santorum, before that Ford -> Reagan -> Bush -> Dole

ed: upon searching I'm apparently about the 100000000th person to make this banal/facile observation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Sman on April 11, 2012, 04:15:49 AM
I still get a kick reading Ron Paul forums. With Santorum leaving, they think many will flock to RP. 

Speaking of which, where are the RP fans at the Bore?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2012, 04:45:26 AM
It will be interesting if anyone foolishly takes the VP slot hoping to get a boost for 2016.

I suspect Christie, Jindal, Ryan, Rubio, etc. are going to stay away. Basically anyone who people wanted in and didn't get in will say no. Except for Thune, I could see him accepting an all automaton ticket as it would be the logical thing to do.

There were rumors about Rob Portman from Ohio being the VP choice already. But the pundits/"strategists" all seem to want Allen West for some reason I can't put my finger on although I probably would get out of my car and follow him if it was raining.

Romney had raised more cash than anyone in 2008, Dole had been VP candidate and Senate Majority Leader. What is Santorum going to do for four years to keep his place when he didn't even fundraise this year or get a campaign infrastructure in place? I don't see how he can do better than Edwards did in 2008 (pre-scandal) after four years in the wilderness. He doesn't have the personality to be on TV like Huckabee or Palin, and no rabid fanbase like Palin. I'm sure he'll be a "Fox News Commentator" and a CULTURE WARRIOR for O'Reilly but that's not going to help him when he gets knocked off the network for 24/7 coverage of the Anointed One Rubio.

I doubt Jeb Bush and Mitch Daniels ever run. Bush knows his brother blew it for him and Daniels doesn't want to explain his wife.

Well, maybe if there is some kind of global collapse with wars in the Middle East and Asia plus constant bombings in the U.S., Jeb Bush has a chance at running to bring us back to the glorious stability of the Bush years. ("Only two recessions, two wars, ten trillion in debt and one major terrorist attack!")
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2012, 05:41:05 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 11, 2012, 04:07:25 AM
It would continue the trend of whoever comes in "second" in the Republican primaries usually getting nominated next time around, though (cuz it's HIS TURN lulz). Bush -> McCain -> Romney -> Santorum, before that Ford -> Reagan -> Bush -> Dole

ed: upon searching I'm apparently about the 100000000th person to make this banal/facile observation

It's widespread enough that Jon Bernstein at Plain Blog has felt the need to debunk it a few times (short version: small sample size and other factors are more important).

In either case, I don't think Santorum's set up that well for 2016.  Even when he was winning states he didn't get any endorsements, raise a good amount of money, or put together a decent national campaign organization.  All signs point to his having been a place to park Not Romney votes, and only after Palin/Trump/Cain/Perry/Gingrich at that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 05:22:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2012, 06:03:15 PM
That man is a fucking genius.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2012, 07:35:11 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 05:22:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M

We mere mortals are not deserving of Herman Cain. Also, too:

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/10/461613/herman-cain-gender-gap/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Holy shit, check out the chart on this page:

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/04/11/1082476/-Obama-leads-Romney-by-landslide-numbers


How the fuck is Obama beating Mitt by THIRTEEN points in Colorado? Isn't that the state where the people of South Park reside?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 11, 2012, 07:40:16 PM
missouri still red :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 11, 2012, 07:44:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSh7G48_wOI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 11, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Holy shit, check out the chart on this page:

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/04/11/1082476/-Obama-leads-Romney-by-landslide-numbers


How the fuck is Obama beating Mitt by THIRTEEN points in Colorado? Isn't that the state where the people of South Park reside?

Brown ppl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 11, 2012, 11:46:34 PM
Sorry but 2012 is Santorum's last shot :santocry

The only reason why he had a shot is because of the poor crop of GOP competitors in a time when the GOP was moving as far to the right as possible; it was a rare combination that allowed him to get anything more than margin of error percentages.  2016 will be completely different when the teatards were but a distant memory where anything other than the Michele Bachmann-right can feel that they would have a chance.  Speaking of which, I can see Bachmann making another stab in 2016.

The real loser is and always will be Ron Paul.  I still see some beating the drum of legions of unbound delegates with secret allegiances to Ron Paul but I think even some of them have given up.

I don't regret voting for Santorum in the primaries and am glad that I participated in the freakshow known as the 2012 GOP primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 11:52:59 PM
Yea the more I think about it, perhaps you guys are right. Santorum's support was largely due to him being the last tolerable conservative standing, in many people's eyes. That won't  be the case in 2016 when a host of governors who have actually gotten shit done ever the race.

Santorum has probably reached his peak politically. He'll be the religious right's choice in a few years (assuming Huckabee doesn't jump in)  but I'd imagine they'll be farther marginalized if Obama wins big in November. Seems pretty clear women are rejecting republicans and most people are tired of the abortion, gay marriage, etc nonsense.

Christie 2016
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 12, 2012, 12:14:44 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 05:22:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M

VOTY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 12, 2012, 12:47:20 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 11, 2012, 07:38:56 PM
Holy shit, check out the chart on this page:

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/04/11/1082476/-Obama-leads-Romney-by-landslide-numbers


How the fuck is Obama beating Mitt by THIRTEEN points in Colorado? Isn't that the state where the people of South Park reside?

The fact that Obama is over 50% in the three western battleground states (CO, NM, NV) is, really, really bad news for Mittens.  Less than 7 months out those are pretty awful numbers.  Add to that the fact that Obama is near 50% in Ohio and Florida and this is really going to require some sort of economic shitstorm or the reanimated corpse of bin Laden showing up in a small midwestern town and instituting sharia law or something for a Romney win to be plausible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 12, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2012, 05:22:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1rjf7zdD-M

This video really speaks to me
      /
 :link
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2012, 04:12:15 PM
It's time we fought back against Big Chicken! I mean Government. Wait, what are we talking about again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/newark_mayor_cory_booker_taken.html
 :o

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 12, 2012, 11:28:37 PM
that man is amazing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 12, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
This firestorm with Hillary Rosen is so fucking pathetic. Makes me hate our media all the more. I expect the righties to zero in on this shit, but why the fuck did every other news outlet from the so-called "librul" media jump on this shit too? This Rosen person is a CNN contributing democratic strategist. She has no formal ties to the administration or the DNC. Why the fuck do we care what this broad said? Now the mainstream media has once again set up a moronic false equivalency by implying that Rosen hates women just as much as Limbaugh, so now Obama has no right to use the 'war on women' talking point ever again!

But as pissed off as I am about the press response to this shit, it's not nearly as bad as knowing the Obama campaign ran as far away from Rosen the NANOSECOND she finished saying her comments. It's just like what they did with Shirley Sherrod. By acknowledging this woman, they're giving this moronic "scandal" some legitimacy. I'd really think these people would be smarter than that.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/newark_mayor_cory_booker_taken.html
 :o

 :american

How do we know he didn't START the fire, hmm? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2012, 01:06:32 AM
It would be nice if we had a media who thought that their prime directive was to deliver truth, no matter how ugly and upsetting to one side of the established political spectrum, to the public at large.  That would be great.

Instead, we have a media that is scared to death of being called "librul", that has as it's prime directive, above all else, MAINTAINING ACCESS TO NEWSMAKERS, and (subconsciously or not) making money for their suit bosses.  Obama and his people know this.  That's what they have to work with.  So, while it's not "right" or whatever to toss Hillary Rosen on her ass and pretend they never knew her, it's what they have to do in the reality they're stuck in.  Crying about it does no good.  Really, the only thing that would do any good would be to legalize the hunting, killing, skinning and eating of the DC press corps.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2012, 12:00:28 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 12, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
But as pissed off as I am about the press response to this shit, it's not nearly as bad as knowing the Obama campaign ran as far away from Rosen the NANOSECOND she finished saying her comments. It's just like what they did with Shirley Sherrod. By acknowledging this woman, they're giving this moronic "scandal" some legitimacy. I'd really think these people would be smarter than that.
This was part of the point I was trying to make while being a dick back when Breitbart died. The Sherrod thing was absolute Obama team fuckup because they panicked. And now you have Jay Carney going "herp derp which Hillary Rosen was it?!?"

Plus you also have Obama going out there, giving these speeches and stuff, which are hard hitting, and then you get a week of the GOP and FOX burying it. Then he takes some time off to give them another thing to rant about.

Kerry as a flip-flopper worked because it was all you got from the Bush camp for a while. Clinton pulled a similar, define Dole, then run silent if you can.

This shit isn't rocket surgery. But maybe they're looking at Romney and just winging it?
Quote from: Oblivion on April 12, 2012, 11:34:16 PM
but why the fuck did every other news outlet from the so-called "librul" media jump on this shit too?
If Romney isn't competitive, what do they have to fill airtime for the next six months?
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 13, 2012, 01:06:32 AM
It would be nice if we had a media who thought that their prime directive was to deliver truth, no matter how ugly and upsetting to one side of the established political spectrum, to the public at large.  That would be great.
We do more or less have that, it just takes effort and most people are not interested in any media that upsets them.

If you want someone else to "deliver the truth" though...

What's the "truth" of the Ryan bill for example. Obama calls it "Social Darwinism" and yet it increases spending and doesn't balance until 2039. And those last two "facts" are only if we take CBO projections as reality. The Bush Administration submitted a budget (and I'm not going to check so I am qualifying here, it's the point more than the "fact") in 2006 that said we'd have near budget surpluses for the next ten years. TARP and the "Stimulus" alone vaporized this within three years. Shit happens.

The idea that we can have some central arbiter of truth is silly, we've never had that and never could have it. At least until Romney is elected and robots run all our lives.

This country was founded on disgusting, knock down drag out, everyone get wasted, some duels, let's do it, claiming others are Satan incarnate.

Fuck pretending you're objective. Fuck Objectivism. Relish in delicious disgusting vile.

But don't fuck relish, I find it to be an oddly nice non-vile condiment.

Yanking a book of mine just because of someone else I chatted with and because The Bore might like it:
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If ever a nation was debauched by a man, the American nation has been debauched by  [George] Washington. If ever a nation was deceived by a man, the American nation has been deceived by Washington. Let his conduct, then, be an example to future ages; let it serve to be a warning that no man be an idol.
Philadelphia Aurora, 1796.

An Anglican monarchical, and aristocratical party has sprung up, whose avowed object is to draw over us the substance, as they have already done the forms, of the British government. ... It would give you a fever were I to name to you the apostates who have gone over to these heresies, men who were Samsons in the field and Solomons in the council, but who have had their heads shorn by the harlot England.
Thomas Jefferson, 1796.

The character which Mr. Washington has attempted to act in this world, is a sort, of non-describable, camelion-colored thing, called prudence. It is, in many cases, a substitute for principle, and is so nearly allied to hypocrisy, that it easily slides into it. ... And as to you, sir, treacherous to private friendship (for so you have been to me, and that in the day of danger) and a hypocrite in public life, the world will be puzzled to decide whether you are a apostate or an impostor, whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any?"
Thomas Pane, to G Dub, 1796.

Mr. Adams and his Federalists wish to sap The Republic by fraud, destroy it by force, and elect an English monarchy in its place.
Thomas Jefferson

Whether he is spiteful, playful, witty, kind, cold, drunk, sober, angry, easy, stiff, jealous, cautious, confident, close, open, it is always in the wrong place or to the wrong person.
James McHenry, Secretary of War for Adams

The coward wretch at the head, while, like a Parisian revolutionary monster, pratting about humanity, could feel an infernal pleasure in the utter destruction of his opponents. We have too long witnessed his general turpitude, his cruel removals of faithful officers, and the substitution of corruption and baseness for integrity and worth.
Senator Timothy Pickering (MA), 1804.
Any typos mine. (Or possibly the language of the time. Likely the former.)

What would an "objective" media that only delivers the "truth" even say?

Look at the PPACA. What's the "truth"? The Obama Adminstration has their position, the opinion polls have theirs, the states have their own, chunks of The Bore are going to see it constitutional, others will say it's not but single payer is, others won't care and want what's best, and I'll say it's beyond blatantly unconstitutional. But unfortunately, for all of us, the "truth" will be decided when the Supreme Court decides. How do you ever "deliver the truth" here?
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 04, 1970, 05:22:15 AM
Really, the only thing that would do any good would be to legalize the hunting, killing, skinning and eating of the DC press corps.
And these same press corps say nobody can ever agree on anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2012, 01:49:57 PM
I think it's fair to criticize a news media which strives towards "objectivity" for having a skewed idea of what that entails.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2012, 02:34:19 PM
I think it's fair to criticize any media. No matter what it is striving for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2012, 02:54:15 PM
Point is the mainstream newsmedia presents itself as a trustworthy, objective arbiter truth, so far as it can be nailed down.  The WaPo/NYT/network news shows/etc don't operate like British newspapers.  They market themselves and demand status considerations (listen to what they said about bloggers before they all realized that's what they'd be doing for a living in five years) based on a certain image; they're not just in it to profit, but to serve as public gatekeepers for information.

So in that case, it's valid to call them out for doing a bad job, rather than handwaving it away with "well some topics involve personal opinion, and politics were always pretty rough-and-tumble, so there ya go!"

On the topic of the Ryan budget (or any budget), it's not the job of a reporter to say whether the policies are good ones, but a good story should indicate whether there's any jiggery-pokery within the numbers.  Wildly ahistorical assumptions of economic growth, large unspecified spending cuts or revenue gains that let the author assume unpopular decisions without copping to them, deviations from accepted government budgeting practices, etc.


If the Bush budget outlook you mentioned is the one I'm thinking of, then it should absolutely have been called out as bullshit, not because CBO/OMB projections are inexact, but because it closed the gap through policies (expiration of the tax cuts, unchecked growth of the AMT) that the administration was actively opposing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
You mean the projection that the Iraq war would cost $60b at the very most? Well, guess what the democrat's projection for the war was: $0, since they didn't do a projection. Both sides were wrong, but at least one side came to the table with adult numbers

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(http://tinyurl.com/7qad2lb)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2012, 10:15:58 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_AMERICAS_SUMMIT_SECRET_SERVICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

uh oh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2012, 09:31:34 PM
Just watched Street Fight, years after Mandark's recommendation lol. Very good documentary; it reminded me a lot of The Wire's fourth season, which is my favorite. Which kind of makes me wonder about Booker's focus on crime statistics and how accurate they are. It also reminded me of machine politics in Detroit and the corrupt Kwame Kilpatrick years.

All the overt racial slurs and attacks on Booker infuriated me. I've heard that stuff all my life from black people; in the film a guy comments that "we send our children to school, then they come back and we call them white. What does that say about us?" The casual way some black leaders - especially older ones with connections to the Civil Rights movement - throw around racial insinuations and accusations of racism is not only shameful it ultimately hurts the fight for diversity. It's also a weird resentment of higher education more familiarly seen amongst far right republicans/Christians. I remember hearing that Kilpatrick once questioned Obama's blackness to his face; that mentality needs to die. On that note I find it hilarious that many on the right seem unwilling or unable to distinguish Obama from the racial blame game politics of the Sharptons and Jacksons - both of whom aren't fans of Obama politically. Unsurprisingly both are in the documentary supporting the corrupt incumbent Booker attempts to defeat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2012, 01:00:41 AM
False equivalencies have officially jumped the shark
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/obama-as-a-boy-ate-dog-meat/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2012, 04:14:04 PM
Mandark, explain
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/the-blacks-and-the-conservatives/256064/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2012, 04:37:08 PM
"It's totally not a bad word at all, in fact it's often used affectionately!"

"But it does conjure up the image of someone who's a stupid, easily-led, drunkard often prone to violent outbursts."

Eh?
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Post by: Barry Egan on April 18, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
His tone is absolutely the definition of :smug.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 18, 2012, 05:54:37 PM
May the schvartze be with you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 22, 2012, 04:32:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2012, 01:00:41 AM
False equivalencies have officially jumped the shark
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/obama-as-a-boy-ate-dog-meat/
...and the election campaign's barely even started. Mitt has about the same odds McCain had in '08, Kerry had in '04, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 22, 2012, 12:27:25 PM
hey now, kerry at least came close.  i'm figuring obama/romney is gonna look like clinton/dole
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 22, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
It will look more like 2008 than anything else. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 22, 2012, 01:55:50 PM
It will end up the same as 2008, give or take a couple of low EV swing states.

That is assuming that there won't be some Eurozone crisis or a surprise second recession.

As much as I wish Obama would secure over 400 electoral votes, in the remaining red states, there's far too much of a "obama is a kenyan muslin socialist" sentiment to tap into those locations effectively.  In fact, until Texas turns blue or purple again, what Obama pulled in 2008 and what he will probably get in 2012 is about as good of a performance as a Democrat will get for a while.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2012, 02:09:54 PM
It'll look more like 04 if Romney wins, which is possible. All it takes is another economic downturn

Under normal circumstances Obama probably has to many paths to 270 for Romney to overcome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 22, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
This is international but this seems extremely crazy.  The Swedish Minister of Culture (the lady in the first picture) seems to be having fun with a genital mutilation cake.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/swedish-minister-of-culture-slammed-for-racist-797906

(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article797913.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/A+smiling+Lena+Adelsohn+Liljeroth%2C+seen+to+the+right%2C+happily+poses+before+cameras.jpg)

(http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article797840.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Makode+Lindes+Cake+at+World+Art+Day.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 22, 2012, 06:31:47 PM
If McCain hadn't been from Arizona, the state could likely be in play after all of the hideously stupid things the state GOP has done there in the past couple of years, but no effort was put into building a good organizing infrastructure there so it's probably not in play.  On the flip side, I could see Obama losing Ohio, Iowa or possibly Pennsylvania among states that he carried in 2008. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2012, 07:32:30 PM
Ohio is the centerpiece of the election (again). If Romney can't win it, he has no path to victory. Obama could lose Ohio and still win re-election comfortably but it's not a risk worth taking.

I think PA is safe due to the cities/urban vote. Michigan is going to Obama, no matter what anyone says we're not a swing state. Seems like Virginia will be the other "big" prize; if Obama can take it again (and demographic shifts suggest he can), it's game over
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2012, 08:21:52 PM
I think Obama has Ohio, but not Florida.  But he doesn't really need Florida...and honestly, based on some of the swing states this time around.  All Obama needs is the blue states and NM/CO/NV and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2012, 08:24:18 PM
you can play with the map here
http://www.270towin.com/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 22, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
What is the Congress situation like? Is there any chance of the 2010 reversal being rolled back at all?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
I most likely won't be saying this again for a good while, but kudos to Romney for not taking Hannity's bait the other day on the dog eating comments.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 23, 2012, 03:51:32 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on April 22, 2012, 08:24:30 PM
What is the Congress situation like? Is there any chance of the 2010 reversal being rolled back at all?

Congress is fucking weird.  In short, the Democrats will likely pick up a smallish number of House seats, but it won't be enough to swap control of the House.  In the Senate, they stand a very real chance of losing control due to the fact that like 22 of the 33 Senate seats up for election this year are controlled by Democrats.  They've got a decent shot of picking up Ted Kennedy's old seat and uh, other than that will probably lose in Virginia, Missouri, whichever of the Dakotas is up, Nebraska, possibly Ohio, etc.  Basically any Dem Senate seat that's up for election in a state that will be close or go for Romney, they're likely to lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 23, 2012, 06:42:41 AM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9G1SjHceqFo/T5LPfIUvWKI/AAAAAAAADv8/lcoyWN3OGfw/s400/b71c431c8b1311e1a9f71231382044a1_7.jpg)

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2012, 07:00:23 AM
Killed by a CIA heart attack gun.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 23, 2012, 11:52:06 AM
That poster/whatever is a pretty cool design, though. Is it a knock-off of something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 23, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 22, 2012, 09:09:20 PM
I most likely won't be saying this again for a good while, but kudos to Romney for not taking Hannity's bait the other day on the dog eating comments.
considering that its Romney's people that put the story out there to begin with, I wouldn't give him too much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 23, 2012, 01:41:11 PM
huntsman TRASHES the gop

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/jon-huntsman-trashes-gop-expresses-campaign-regre
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 25, 2012, 09:13:13 AM
this will certainly end well

http://www.citypaper.net/blogs/nakedcity/Philadelphia-School-District-announces-its-dissolution-.html

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“Philadelphia public schools is not the School District,” Chief Recovery Officer Thomas Knudsen told a handful of reporters at yesterday's press conference laying out the five-year plan proposed to the School Reform Commission. “There's a redefinition, and we'll get to that later.”

He got to it: talk about “modernization,” “right-sizing,” “entrepreneurialism” and “competition.”

Forty schools would close next year, and six additional schools would be closed every year thereafter until 2017.

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"There are other people out there who do these things, if not better, then at least less expensively."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 25, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
Not enough SMH's in the world.  What a ridiculous notion. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2012, 10:55:47 AM
>Cut education spending year after year
>Lament that the kids of today are unmotivated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2012, 10:57:14 AM
Our public education system is broken, let's fix it by cutting funding and increasing class sizes. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 25, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on April 25, 2012, 10:57:14 AM
Our public education system is broken, let's fix it by cutting funding and increasing class sizes. Yeah, that's the ticket.

To be fair we already spend a shitload on education and it hasn't done much for us. This isnt an instance were more money means things will be fixed. My GF is a pretty liberal Jr. High teacher and was totally against charter schools... until she interviewed for one.

"You mean the student to teacher ratio is 11:1?" (her biggest class is 30 kids) :lol

She currently teaches at a low income school in a smallish town and always talks about how much the school asks of her and how much emphasis is put on standardized testing and other B.S. Now she is desperately trying to get a job at one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
It said they're cutting funding to charter schools too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 25, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Raising/Cutting funding is only a small part of the problem though.  A restructuring of the entire system is what's needed.  But funding issues are the only issues simple enough to understand for the average idiot voter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 25, 2012, 12:24:44 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 25, 2012, 11:58:47 AM
Raising/Cutting funding is only a small part of the problem though.  A restructuring of the entire system is what's needed.  But funding issues are the only issues simple enough to understand for the average idiot voter.

Which really sucks. I don't know the way the larger education system works in Japan but when I was living there I could tell it was way better. Shit, we had to spend 15 minutes a day sweeping hallways and cleaning the bathrooms. Can you imagine the shit storm parents would do if schools here set up like that? But what that did was we felt personally responsible for the well being of out school. Or so I assume, I just kind of stood around with a broom trying to hit on the chicks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 25, 2012, 04:59:30 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 25, 2012, 11:04:36 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on April 25, 2012, 10:57:14 AM
Our public education system is broken, let's fix it by cutting funding and increasing class sizes. Yeah, that's the ticket.

To be fair we already spend a shitload on education and it hasn't done much for us. This isnt an instance were more money means things will be fixed. My GF is a pretty liberal Jr. High teacher and was totally against charter schools... until she interviewed for one.

"You mean the student to teacher ratio is 11:1?" (her biggest class is 30 kids) :lol

She currently teaches at a low income school in a smallish town and always talks about how much the school asks of her and how much emphasis is put on standardized testing and other B.S. Now she is desperately trying to get a job at one.

well look, you found the problem right there.  one of the biggest reasons "we" as a country do so poorly is because school funding is all over the damn place, leaving us with some well-funded schools and lots of very poorly-funded schools.  if schools can't afford to buy basic materials, can't afford to suspend students due to low census, etc, then of course most students at those schools won't do well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 25, 2012, 06:35:27 PM
One of many reasons why I never want to have children is the piss poor state of education in the US.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
I have no idea what to do about education. Throwing money at it doesn't seem to work, but then there are schools where they barely have toilet paper and text books.

Maybe moving away from strict academics to also giving kids the option to start learning specific trades.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2012, 06:52:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZtSEHU5wBo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
You can start to fix education by making it ok to smack kids upside the head for being fucktards. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2012, 07:09:25 PM
ah, an entire generation of dumb, jingoistic unemployables. well, it's GREAT for my hiring prospectus!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2012, 07:10:24 PM
you can fix education by putting christians in re-education camps and making all the non-millenialist people understand the idea of "INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdPInPySbiw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 25, 2012, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on April 25, 2012, 07:09:25 PM
ah, an entire generation of dumb, jingoistic unemployables. well, it's GREAT for my hiring prospectus!

Jokes on you, most of that generation won't be capable of doing any type of STEM related work!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on April 26, 2012, 01:53:39 AM
Restructure the school system to improve student happiness and performance, based on established academic research and empirical evidence? NOT IN MA COUNTRY!!  :derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 02:22:44 AM
or just sexualize everything for boys to close the gender achievement gap. Get an A? Get a blowjob
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2012, 03:38:47 AM
If we reduced teachers' pay, then they'd spend more time teaching our kids instead of sippin' lattes.


Serious question though. What exactly is the Republican plan for edumacation? From what I understand, they want to allow parents to take the portions of their tax dollars that go to public education and instead let them use that money for private schools. But if that were implemented, funding for public schools would be drained substantially. And if that happens, how the hell can they compete?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 26, 2012, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 25, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
You can start to fix education by making it ok to smack kids upside the head for being fucktards.

So you're basically saying you want to smack all kids?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 26, 2012, 03:52:04 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on April 26, 2012, 03:45:55 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 25, 2012, 07:02:19 PM
You can start to fix education by making it ok to smack kids upside the head for being fucktards.

So you're basically saying you want to smack all kids?

Yes

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Not really, but fear is a powerful motivator, and if you remove that from the arsenal of someone who is basically trying to herd 30 idiot children towards something resembling an education, it's kind of like showing up to a shootout with a nail file
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 05:20:46 AM
Public Education needs a revamping of post-elementary education. Schools also need to break free from the scholastic book system that lets a few special interests in two states dictate what gets in to the students curricularum. I would wipe out the current public high school system and replace it with something more resembling community colleges.

Early education needs to be less rigid and uniformed. Don't hold back an entire class because of a few students. Allow students to each work at their own pace.

Beyond that, public education is fighting against a pop culture that enforces images that overpower whatever message the kid gets in school. I think to improve American education, you would actually have to start limiting the amount of media in the country. Kids are receiving two different educations at once. In my High School experience, I don't think the kids saw the High School as a place of learning. It was a social training facility if anything. You got to change that mindset.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 26, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
The school district my wife works for has laid off more than 300 teachers in the past 2 years. Next year, my wife will teach gym, art, and music in addition to the core subjects because they got rid of those teachers.

So you take all that money out of the local economy and then you have to raise taxes to make up for all that lost revenue. IT"S ASS BACKWARDS!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2012, 09:20:07 AM
At least your school still has art, that got cut at our school a long time ago to focus on core subjects (aka whatever is on the standardized tests that determine whether your school gets shutdown by the state for underachieving).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 10:08:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
I have no idea what to do about education. Throwing money at it doesn't seem to work, but then there are schools where they barely have toilet paper and text books.

Maybe moving away from strict academics to also giving kids the option to start learning specific trades.
I agree with this.  Not every kid needs to or wants to go to college.  There is a shortage of trade work in the US and has been for a long time even though there is decent pay.  It's been pounded into heads for the last generation that going into a trade is lowly.  That kind of mentality needs to stop.  But that's the snobby class culture that's been breeding in this country for a long time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 10:40:56 AM
Quote from: etiolate on April 26, 2012, 05:20:46 AM

Beyond that, public education is fighting against a pop culture that enforces images that overpower whatever message the kid gets in school. I think to improve American education, you would actually have to start limiting the amount of media in the country. Kids are receiving two different educations at once. In my High School experience, I don't think the kids saw the High School as a place of learning. It was a social training facility if anything. You got to change that mindset.

You can change that by not making funding based on attendance. If a student doesn't want to go to school don't make them. Make high school like College.


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you can fix education by putting christians in re-education camps and making all the non-millenialist people understand the idea of "INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE".

 :lol Do you read pamphlets or something on how to be a stereotypical liberal? "The country is going downhill because of Christians, I tells ya."

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I agree with this.  Not every kid needs to or wants to go to college.  There is a shortage of trade work in the US and has been for a long time even though there is decent pay.  It's been pounded into heads for the last generation that going into a trade is lowly.  That kind of mentality needs to stop.  But that's the snobby class culture that's been breeding in this country for a long time.

Agree with this. lots of trade jobs are pretty well paid. Welders make a ton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2012, 01:05:22 PM
And then you have crap like this:

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/04/13/464154/foxx-tolerance-student-loans/?mobile=nc
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FOXX: I went through school, I worked my way through, it took me seven years, I never borrowed a dime of money. He borrowed a little bit because we both were totally on our own when we went to college, totally. [...] I have very little tolerance for people who tell me that they graduate with $200,000 of debt or even $80,000 of debt because there’s no reason for that. We live in an opportunity society and people are forgetting that. I remind folks all the time that the Declaration of Independence says “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” You don’t have it dumped in your lap.

 ::)

Now tell us about how you had to walk up hill both ways when you went to college in the 1960's, you old bat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2012, 01:08:15 PM
"You should get a second job to pay for your education."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 01:18:27 PM
"Your life should have the exact same circumstances as mine!  I don't understand why it doesn't!!!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 26, 2012, 01:34:55 PM
Yeeeah, I don't think you're going to get much support for that social structure, Spence.

In fact, that's pretty much what conservatives think the left wants for society, so good job playing right into their stereotypes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2012, 01:41:19 PM
The great irony here is that all these "Pulled myself up by my own bootstraps, paid my own way, earned my own money!" politicians sent their kids to private schools and Ivy League universities on their own dime.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 26, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
Plus, the opposite is really true.  For the past five years, the welfare state as we have known it for the past sixty years is on life support, and will only get worse as boomers retire, forcing a smaller working-age population to support a larger senior population.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
Here we go again!
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New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits fell slightly last week but a trend reading rose to its highest since January, the latest sign of a weaker pace of healing in the still-struggling labor market.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped by 1,000 to a seasonally adjusted 388,000, the Labor Department said on Thursday. The prior week's figure was revised up to 389,000 from the previously reported 386,000.

The four-week moving average for new claims, a closely followed measure of labor market trends, rose 6,250 to 381,750, its highest since the week that ended Jan. 7.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast new claims falling to 375,000 last week.

The reading was the latest example of fizzling momentum in the labor market recovery. New claims fell sharply during early winter but the improvement has largely stalled in recent weeks.

Employers added 120,000 new jobs to their payrolls in March, the least since October, after averaging 246,000 jobs per month over the prior three months.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47186701

Strong early growth followed by stagnation - where have I seen this before. Oh yea, last year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 26, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Spencer on April 26, 2012, 01:45:44 PM
I don't think it's going to happen, I don't think it's a popular opinion. But I do think we have the means to automate and efficasize to a point that we don't need to punish those without jobs with the way money is currently used.

I don't think we should punish those who are without jobs due to hard economic times.  But that was not what your initial proposition suggested.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 02:00:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 01:46:10 PM
Here we go again!
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New U.S. claims for unemployment benefits fell slightly last week but a trend reading rose to its highest since January, the latest sign of a weaker pace of healing in the still-struggling labor market.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped by 1,000 to a seasonally adjusted 388,000, the Labor Department said on Thursday. The prior week's figure was revised up to 389,000 from the previously reported 386,000.

The four-week moving average for new claims, a closely followed measure of labor market trends, rose 6,250 to 381,750, its highest since the week that ended Jan. 7.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast new claims falling to 375,000 last week.

The reading was the latest example of fizzling momentum in the labor market recovery. New claims fell sharply during early winter but the improvement has largely stalled in recent weeks.

Employers added 120,000 new jobs to their payrolls in March, the least since October, after averaging 246,000 jobs per month over the prior three months.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47186701

Strong early growth followed by stagnation - where have I seen this before. Oh yea, last year.
And it's the same exact issues that stalled the economy last year too. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 02:03:02 PM
Well last year it started with production being stalled due to Japan's tsunami. Now it's production being stalled due to high gas prices and the labor market being flooded.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 02:18:44 PM
Euro debt crisis didn't help last year either and it's rearing its ugly ass head again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
Spencer's idea of the economy shifting towards an Asimovian utopia ain't happening because neither technology nor society is near that point.  Efficiency gains aren't really what he seems to think; the biggest strides have been in inventory management, but you still need a ton of physical labor in the form of shipping and warehouse jobs, which can be pretty brutal.  Plus slashing the workforce would involve everyone consuming a lot less and figuring some system to determine who has to keep working and who gets the cushy life, in a way that doesn't cause huge backlash.  Not likely.

FoC's idea of getting rid of mandatory attendance would mean poor and minority kids would be more likely to drop out and gaps in wealth/class/capital access would all get ossified even more.  Whooooooo!  Thankfully there aren't enough super-bitter white people to support this politically.

etiolate's idea of limiting media is just kinda lolwut.

I agree with Mups that not everyone should have to go to college.  There's some creeping credentialism going on.  The trick is providing a useful path for learning trade work without it becoming a way to sift the poor kids out early in their education.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
I brought up trade work/community colleges first and received no recognition. My role as poli-bore's Rosalind Franklin continues
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 02:59:34 PM
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FoC's idea of getting rid of mandatory attendance would mean poor and minority kids would be more likely to drop out and gaps in wealth/class/capital access would all get ossified even more.  Whooooooo!  Thankfully there aren't enough super-bitter white people to support this politically.

You saying poor and minorities are lazy and wont go to school?  :P

I was mainly talking about High School anyway. The real issue is that people don't value education. If you come from a family that values education you are gonna be fine. I can't really comment on what its like to grow up in a household that does not. It was drilled into my head from an early age that I had to do well in school. Probably because my dad grew up on a farm in upstate NY and "got out" by becoming in engineer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 03:11:30 PM
I think he was saying that most poor people are usually faced with the issue of having to help the family or go to school.  And in a society where they don't HAVE to go to school there will probably be a lot more pressure to work full time and less pressure to go to school full time.

Quote from: Mandark on April 26, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
I agree with Mups that not everyone should have to go to college.  There's some creeping credentialism going on.  The trick is providing a useful path for learning trade work without it becoming a way to sift the poor kids out early in their education.
Agreed.  I think that could be done by changing the image of trade work.  If people knew that you could make good money as a plumber they might be more inclined to do it regardless of their social class.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
How do we propose making High Schools into something other than babysitting for some students.

No offense, but for some of the people working for their family is gonna do more for them than being forced to do nothing all day. If they don't want to take advantage of free education than it's their problem. No need to lower the standard of the school for people who want to do better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 26, 2012, 03:28:07 PM
I see the old FoC is slowwwly sneaking back out of his shell...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 03:31:25 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
How do we propose making High Schools into something other than babysitting for some students.

No offense, but for some of the people working for their family is gonna do more for them than being forced to do nothing all day. If they don't want to take advantage of free education than it's their problem. No need to lower the standard of the school for people who want to do better.
Education is a necessity.  Unless you plan on bagging groceries for the rest of your life you need to be educated in something.  The solution is to open up our schools to multiple avenues through life, not to just give up on poor performers.  More people being productive is better for everyone in the economy.  We need to change our definition of education when it comes to our public schools. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
No offense, but for some of the people working for their family is gonna do more for them than being forced to do nothing all day.

Ah, so we'd be changing child labor laws too.  I like where this is going!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 26, 2012, 03:36:24 PM
I wish we had trade programs in the school system. Pushing college on everyone isn't the best idea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2012, 03:37:06 PM
The current education format is way too rigid and uniform. What's the purpose of the curriculum? To make a good score on a standardized test. It's obsessed with stats and grades, rather than actually trying to teach or find out way to induce kids to actually LEARN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 26, 2012, 03:39:58 PM
I think they should do away with the standardized testing "standard". When teachers teach the test and not the curriculum, gaps in knowledge occur. Also, when you're teaching the test, you're not teaching for the sake of learning and education, you're teaching to pass the test, which is a poor motivator for scholarship. I was never really good at math; I was in AP history, and english classes but I never did well in math. In 9th grade I was a remedial math class. Instead of trying to catch us up, the teacher spent the course of the year teaching us the test. She said we had to finish such and such before a specific time because the test was x amount of days. In AP classes we covered stuff much like a college class and I was able to do much, much better work with much, much more freedom to learn.

To be honest, I'm not sure why the standardized tests are even needed. To gauge how students are doing in particular areas? To make sure they know key information they should know? Okay, but you can do that without having annual standardized tests. Teach the kids what they need to know, also what they want to know, in ways that they know how to learn. Then, at the end of High School, test them on things that they should already know and gauge how they do. But don't teach the test, the test should be a mirror of knowledge that they should know and recognize up to that point and how education will fit into their future.

I also agree with mups and pd in regards to trades.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 26, 2012, 03:41:31 PM
Stanardized testing is fine to measure student progress, but it shouldn't be the determining factor for success.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on April 26, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
The problem is that if you don't pass the tests you school loses funding. It's a total fucked system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 26, 2012, 03:46:22 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
The problem is that if you don't pass the tests you school loses funding. It's a total fucked system.

Yeah, I know. I work in the public schools. There are a few buildings in the district that are under watch by OSPI due to not making AYP on the state tests.

We use norm referenced tests to measure individual progress on all students in our buildings, helps determine areas focus on and placement. in classes. We also have the big state mandated standardized HSPE that freaks everyone out and a lot of teachers teach to. One is good, one is bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 03:31:25 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
How do we propose making High Schools into something other than babysitting for some students.

No offense, but for some of the people working for their family is gonna do more for them than being forced to do nothing all day. If they don't want to take advantage of free education than it's their problem. No need to lower the standard of the school for people who want to do better.
Education is a necessity.  Unless you plan on bagging groceries for the rest of your life you need to be educated in something.  The solution is to open up our schools to multiple avenues through life, not to just give up on poor performers.  More people being productive is better for everyone in the economy.  We need to change our definition of education when it comes to our public schools.

I believe there should be some basic standard required to graduate HS (math, English, etc) even if the school system implements a trade school type program. While it's important to have a skilled work force, it's also important to have an educated one.

The HS I graduated from required you get a technical certificate and Associates Degree in order to graduate. I definitely believe we need more tech high schools that work with community colleges
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 26, 2012, 03:50:53 PM
I'm all for academic accountability, but making a single test the sole determing factor is probably not the best way to go about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on April 26, 2012, 03:36:08 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
No offense, but for some of the people working for their family is gonna do more for them than being forced to do nothing all day.

Ah, so we'd be changing child labor laws too.  I like where this is going!

You realize that most High school students can already work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2012, 03:59:40 PM
At a certain age, with a permit, only for limited hours, with special restrictions on school nights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
Things must have changed then because all of my friends had jobs working at Wendys when they were a sophmore in early 2000s. Without any of the restrictions you mentioned.

The point was that student who dont want to be at school are doing a disservice to everyone else. If they can't be participating members of the school body then they should not be forced to participate.


More trade schools would be awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 26, 2012, 04:13:35 PM
Those working restrictions on high school students have been in place for a long time. I remember my sister had to follow them in the early 90s

Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
The point was that student who dont want to be at school are doing a disservice to everyone else. If they can't be participating members of the school body then they should not be forced to participate.

They're not forced to participate. They can always drop out after then turn 16, but that doesn't solve the problem.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 03:48:24 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on April 26, 2012, 03:31:25 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
How do we propose making High Schools into something other than babysitting for some students.

No offense, but for some of the people working for their family is gonna do more for them than being forced to do nothing all day. If they don't want to take advantage of free education than it's their problem. No need to lower the standard of the school for people who want to do better.
Education is a necessity.  Unless you plan on bagging groceries for the rest of your life you need to be educated in something.  The solution is to open up our schools to multiple avenues through life, not to just give up on poor performers.  More people being productive is better for everyone in the economy.  We need to change our definition of education when it comes to our public schools.

I believe there should be some basic standard required to graduate HS (math, English, etc) even if the school system implements a trade school type program. While it's important to have a skilled work force, it's also important to have an educated one.

The HS I graduated from required you get a technical certificate and Associates Degree in order to graduate. I definitely believe we need more tech high schools that work with community colleges
Well yeah, obviously.  I'm not saying there shouldn't be a bare minimum of knowledge in the core subjects.  Core subjects definitely have their place.  I just think electives should play a much bigger role in high school instead of being a "free class" like most kids see them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2012, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on April 26, 2012, 04:07:36 PM
Things must have changed then because all of my friends had jobs working at Wendys when they were a sophmore in early 2000s. Without any of the restrictions you mentioned.

I call BS.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 27, 2012, 04:29:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
I brought up trade work/community colleges first and received no recognition. My role as poli-bore's Rosalind Franklin continues

Taking pictures doesn't mean you solved a structure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 28, 2012, 01:43:59 AM
Quote from: Billy Rygar on April 27, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
Trade education isn't promoted much in school because it's expensive, so when schools cut back, things like auto-shop and welding are the first things on the chopping block.  So again, it comes down to MONEY.

The schools would want to spend it on is either something that boosts test scores or something that makes the parents ooh and ahh. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of interest in seeing kids learn a trade.

The money would have to be specifically designated for those programs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 01:45:02 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/class-warfare-s-e-cupp-battles-bill-maher-and-panel-over-demonizing-prosperity/

Oh, the amount of hate sexin I'd love to do to this woman. :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 05:32:37 AM
Surprised this hasn't been posted. Paul Ryan throws his idol, Ayn Rand under the bus. (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_04/paul_ryan_secondhander036945.php)

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These Rand-related slams, Ryan says, are inaccurate and part of an effort on the left to paint him as a cold-hearted Objectivist. Ryan’s actual philosophy, as reported by my colleague, Brian Bolduc, couldn’t be further from the caricature. As a practicing Roman Catholic, Ryan says, his faith and moral values shape his politics as much as his belief in freedom and capitalism does.

“I, like millions of young people in America, read Rand’s novels when I was young. I enjoyed them,” Ryan says. “They spurred an interest in economics, in the Chicago School and Milton Friedman,” a subject he eventually studied as an undergraduate at Miami University in Ohio. “But it’s a big stretch to suggest that a person is therefore an Objectivist.”

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.

A lot of people have pointed out that Ryan's a lying sack of shit, since he praised Rand multiple times, but here's my question: How does one "reject" her philosophy, while still supporting his own budget?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 28, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 05:32:37 AM
Surprised this hasn't been posted. Paul Ryan throws his idol, Ayn Rand under the bus. (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_04/paul_ryan_secondhander036945.php)

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These Rand-related slams, Ryan says, are inaccurate and part of an effort on the left to paint him as a cold-hearted Objectivist. Ryan’s actual philosophy, as reported by my colleague, Brian Bolduc, couldn’t be further from the caricature. As a practicing Roman Catholic, Ryan says, his faith and moral values shape his politics as much as his belief in freedom and capitalism does.

“I, like millions of young people in America, read Rand’s novels when I was young. I enjoyed them,” Ryan says. “They spurred an interest in economics, in the Chicago School and Milton Friedman,” a subject he eventually studied as an undergraduate at Miami University in Ohio. “But it’s a big stretch to suggest that a person is therefore an Objectivist.”

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.

A lot of people have pointed out that Ryan's a lying sack of shit, since he praised Rand multiple times, but here's my question: How does one "reject" her philosophy, while still supporting his own budget?

I HAS A CONFUSE!

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/80552/paul-ryan-and-ayn-rand

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Earlier this year I wrote about Ryan and his deep devotion to the philosophy of Rand, particularly her inverted Marxist economic-political worldview:

    Ryan would retain some bare-bones subsidies for the poorest, but the overwhelming thrust in every way is to liberate the lucky and successful to enjoy their good fortune without burdening them with any responsibility for the welfare of their fellow citizens. This is the core of Ryan's moral philosophy:

    "The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," Ryan said at a D.C. gathering four years ago honoring the author of "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead." ...

    At the Rand celebration he spoke at in 2005, Ryan invoked the central theme of Rand's writings when he told his audience that, "Almost every fight we are involved in here on Capitol Hill ... is a fight that usually comes down to one conflict--individualism versus collectivism."

So, he doesn't like her, but she's the reason he got into public service, he spoke at a "Rand Celebration" and thinks every conflict in Congress can be characterized by Rand's worldview.  BUT I NEVER MET THAT BITCH SERIOUSLY!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2012, 12:54:02 PM
I wonder what would happen if Obama praised an atheist author as being essential to his worldview
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 28, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
Who gives a flying fuck what Paul Ryan thinks about Ayn Rand?

Edit: Also I'm kind of surprised people are so willing to dismiss the trades.  A lot of tradespeople will make far more money than a regular schmo with a bachelor's degree.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 06:58:46 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 28, 2012, 09:34:23 AM
So, he doesn't like her, but she's the reason he got into public service, he spoke at a "Rand Celebration" and thinks every conflict in Congress can be characterized by Rand's worldview.  BUT I NEVER MET THAT BITCH SERIOUSLY!

As someone else said, his flip flopping would work well with Mitt.

And speaking of Mitt (which of course also means, speaking of flip flopping), turns out he thinks the auto bailouts were awesome afterall:

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"[Romney's] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that," Eric Fehrnstrom, senior adviser to the Romney campaign, said.

"The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney's advice."

"The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they've shed costs," Fehronstrom said. "The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do."

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/224371-romney-campaign-claims-auto-bailout-was-his-idea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2012, 09:59:58 PM
Mitt Romney invented the bailout when he was walking down the streets of Detroit and a poor person walked onto the same street and Mitt had to throw a handful of nickles at him to cover his escape.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 29, 2012, 03:41:07 AM
I was initially considering this another flip-flop but.....

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/can-perrys-staff-run-president

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Mitt Romney and Rick Perry were both involved in a discussion of bailouts of Europe and the UAW during the current debate. Perry failed to attack Romney when given a huge opening. His press staff sent a copy of what he should have said:

Mitt Romney on Auto Bailout
 
In 2008, Mitt Romney promised Michigan voters he would "spend billions more in federal money to bolster struggling automakers." He proposed a five-fold increase in federal funding for the automotive industry: $20 billion in new taxpayer-funded spending.
 
Romney claimed, "I'm not open to a bailout, but I am open to a workout," he said. "Washington should not be a benefactor, but it can and must be a partner."
 
Gannett News Service called Romney's plan a "massive federal bailout."
 
The Associated Press said Romney "told voters what he thought they wanted to hear" and would "do whatever it takes to be president" after his promise to Michigan voters.

Basically he wanted them to declare bankruptcy to be able to renegotiate contracts, and then a bail-out? Not much different than reality is it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 29, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
VOTERS!
http://publicreligion.org/research/2011/03/few-americans-see-earthquakes-floods-and-other-natural-disasters-a-sign-from-god-2/

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    A poll conducted last year by the Public Religion Research Institute found an incredible 44 percent of Americans (and 67 percent of white evangelical Christians) agreeing with the statement, "The severity of recent natural disasters is evidence that we are in what the Bible calls the end times."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2012, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: Eric P on April 29, 2012, 10:18:35 AM
VOTERS!

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    A poll conducted last year by the Public Religion Research Institute found an incredible 44 percent of Americans (and 67 percent of white evangelical Christians) agreeing with the statement, "The severity of recent natural disasters is evidence that we are in what the Bible calls the end times."

 :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 29, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Better to blame it on biblical end times than face the realization that decades of mindless consumption and poor environmental policies are catching up to us.  But hey, I gotta drive my H3 down to Best Buy to snag an iPad!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 29, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2012/0424/40-year-wave-of-Mexican-migration-recedes-as-illegal-immigration-ebbs-video

Looks like there is starting to be a trend of reverse immigration.

This kind of puts a damper on the "end days of conservatism" where theorists were banking on a continual flow of immigrants from mexico and central america to the united states that would result in the death of the GOP and a white minority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 29, 2012, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on April 29, 2012, 11:48:50 AM
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2012/0424/40-year-wave-of-Mexican-migration-recedes-as-illegal-immigration-ebbs-video

Looks like there is starting to be a trend of reverse immigration.

This kind of puts a damper on the "end days of conservatism" where theorists were banking on a continual flow of immigrants from mexico and central america to the united states that would result in the death of the GOP and a white minority.

I think it's more that Hispanics have large families
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2012, 03:01:41 PM
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/07/14/the-mexican-american-boom-brbirths-overtake-immigration/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 29, 2012, 03:13:12 PM
I stand corrected
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 29, 2012, 06:21:54 PM
The illegal immigrants don't vote.

But I do wonder how this Latino baby boom is going to affect social issues like abortion and gay rights in the next 50 years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
So will republicans decide to take a humane approach to immigration issues before or after Texas goes blue. 2-3 more election cycles should do the trick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 29, 2012, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
So will republicans decide to take a humane approach to immigration issues before or after Texas goes blue. 2-3 more election cycles should do the trick

My prediction was that after Arizona goes blue (probably before Texas) that it would split the pragmatic and the crazy segments of the republican party over how to keep up with the demands of minorities and women.

We will see them both vying to keep the republican party in their name but ultimately, the tea party types will make their own off shoot conservative party. Which will probably siphon votes From the repubs every election cycle.

It will be very fun/fascinating/scary to watch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 29, 2012, 07:52:33 PM
Bush and Perry polled at almost 40% among latino voters in Texas, IIRC.

I think there are two big questions.  The first is whether the Republican establishment will soften on immigration and try to mimic the Texas GOP's approach at wooing latinos, and if so how soon.  The other is how latinos will see themselves as third- and fourth-generation Americans.  When white people are in danger of becoming a minority, they can always stave it off by declaring other people white (eg the Irish).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
It's amazing how far they've strayed from even Reagan on immigration. They won't even support Rubio's band aid version of the DREAM Act; I wish Obama would endorse it, just to put the final nail in its coffin with them tbh.

Given how hard Perry was savaged over his immigration stance in the primary, I don't think the Texas GOP model will work for republicans anytime soon. I'm not sure republicans would even accept Bush's immigration stances in 2011/2012.

The GOP establishment seems willing to move towards some basic level of seriousness, but the base refuses to go along. John Boehner can't pass Rubio's bill because his caucus is filled with people who vehemently oppose anything that addresses the issue on any serious level beyond "build a fence." Perry, Bush and other border republicans actually had to deal with the issue and get their hands dirty - while their counterparts from Kansas to Kentucky get to disagree on everything in the abstract; then there are border republicans like Gov Brewer and her Arizona delegation, who have basically gone insane.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 29, 2012, 11:31:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
It's amazing how far they've strayed from even Reagan on immigration. They won't even support Rubio's band aid version of the DREAM Act; I wish Obama would endorse it, just to put the final nail in its coffin with them tbh.

Given how hard Perry was savaged over his immigration stance in the primary, I don't think the Texas GOP model will work for republicans anytime soon. I'm not sure republicans would even accept Bush's immigration stances in 2011/2012.

The GOP establishment seems willing to move towards some basic level of seriousness, but the base refuses to go along. John Boehner can't pass Rubio's bill because his caucus is filled with people who vehemently oppose anything that addresses the issue on any serious level beyond "build a fence." Perry, Bush and other border republicans actually had to deal with the issue and get their hands dirty - while their counterparts from Kansas to Kentucky get to disagree on everything in the abstract; then there are border republicans like Gov Brewer and her Arizona delegation, who have basically gone insane.

Problem solved.

(http://blogamole.tr3s.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/116962292.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 29, 2012, 11:46:32 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on April 28, 2012, 05:32:37 AM
Surprised this hasn't been posted. Paul Ryan throws his idol, Ayn Rand under the bus. (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_04/paul_ryan_secondhander036945.php)

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These Rand-related slams, Ryan says, are inaccurate and part of an effort on the left to paint him as a cold-hearted Objectivist. Ryan’s actual philosophy, as reported by my colleague, Brian Bolduc, couldn’t be further from the caricature. As a practicing Roman Catholic, Ryan says, his faith and moral values shape his politics as much as his belief in freedom and capitalism does.

“I, like millions of young people in America, read Rand’s novels when I was young. I enjoyed them,” Ryan says. “They spurred an interest in economics, in the Chicago School and Milton Friedman,” a subject he eventually studied as an undergraduate at Miami University in Ohio. “But it’s a big stretch to suggest that a person is therefore an Objectivist.”

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.

A lot of people have pointed out that Ryan's a lying sack of shit, since he praised Rand multiple times, but here's my question: How does one "reject" her philosophy, while still supporting his own budget?

Rand's Objectivism isn't just about capitalism, it's supposed to be an entire philosophy of everything, including religion (bad), art, the nature of consciousness, whether existence exists, which letters of the alphabet are equal to themselves (use of ReferenceEquals() here is a no-no. it should have been called Structivism), etc. Ryan is just saying he agrees with the parts of it that mesh with the US conservative mainstream (i.e. the right-wing economics and politics) and disagrees with the parts that don't (atheism, (pseudo-)rationalism, etc.), pretty standard stuff. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 29, 2012, 11:50:16 PM
Most self described libertarians are thinly veiled right wing authoritarians and it doesn't take much coaxing to show their true colors (see: JayDubya).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2012, 12:05:13 AM
Maybe I don't read his posts enough, but outside of on abortion (which to him is an issue of life and murder), he's never given me an authoritarian vibe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
Welcome back JD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 30, 2012, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on April 30, 2012, 07:51:45 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on April 30, 2012, 10:23:50 AM
Welcome back JD.

Didn't go anywhere, just seemed like not much was being said.  :P

Ya, but that's just this page.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on April 30, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
My theory is that anyone who found merit in Ayn Rands ideas hadn't come across Nietzsche's ideas earlier, and that they would have been much better off if they had.  But I'm more interested in psychological insight then unadorned power fantasies so there are my biases showing.     
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2012, 01:24:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/oFzXq.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2012, 01:36:24 AM
Why does he draw g's that way?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2012, 01:39:34 AM
So, from what I've seen of the Romney campaign's response to Obama's attacks, he's tried to save face by saying that he would have given the same order to do so that Obama did. But here's my question: What are the odds that a hypothetical President Romney would even GET the chance to make such a decision? Unless I'm mistaken, Mittens, McCain and all the other righties had their focus on Iraq. Part of the reason we were able to get Bin Laden was because Obama shifted focus from Iraq BACK to Afghanistan and taking on Al Qaeda. If Romney were president, would he have made that shift? If we're to take his comments during the debates at face value, then the answer would be no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2012, 01:56:25 AM
To be fair, the CIA first got details on Bin Laden's courier around 2007/early 2008. So that information was in the pipeline early, went cold, then got hot again in 2009. It was a CIA operation.

I think a McCain or Romney administration would have likely agreed to a surge in Afghanistan, and would also have withdrawn from Iraq due to their government's refusal to not prosecute US soldiers and the previous Bush agreement. So all the pieces would be in place for us to reach Bin Laden's compound regardless of who was president imo.

The question is how would other people handle the situation. We don't have a definitive answer considering it's a hypothetical. I could certainly see McCain agreeing to a SEAL raid on the compound, for instance. Maybe Romney would too, I don't know. The only facts we have are that Obama not only gave the order despite more than half of the security team being against it, he told the entire world he'd do it back in 2007. Meanwhile Romney, McCain, and even Bush publicly admonished him for his Pakistan comments, and Romney went a step further by insinuating Bin Laden wasn't important.

Whoever killed Bin Laden would likely be running on the achievement to win re-election. Republicans are throwing a fit over Obama using this in the election, but let's not forget the last decade of them running on "mommy vs daddy" foreign policy and exploiting terrorism/911 every chance they got. My message to them would just be "cry moar." Obama's foreign policy has been quite aggressive in the war on terror, and republicans don't know how to respond. At first they praised him for following Bush's playbook, then they claimed he was feckless and weak on terror, now...they're crying because he's reminding people that he killed Bin Laden.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2012, 02:04:12 AM
It's like when Mommy divorces Daddy and you hate the new man that Mommy married but he's actually a better Daddy than Daddy ever was so you're all confused.

"Big deal! Daddy would've taken me to Disneyland too if he'd been here!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 01, 2012, 02:26:33 AM
yawwwwn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 01, 2012, 07:12:49 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on May 01, 2012, 02:26:33 AM
yawwwwn

Agreed

Edit: It is pointless to speculate what the other guy would do in a given situation.  Reminds me of all of the time and wasted internet space of people debating how Al Gore would have handled 9/11.  Since people will just bring their own biases to the table during these fantasy discussions, it isn't like the debate has any real credibility anyway.

Edit 2: Also at this time, nobody really cares about Osama bin Laden.  It's the economy people care about.  If Romney and Co. are going to constantly retread the OBL killing as a cornerstone of his campaign, it will just be one of his sure to be many failures.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 01, 2012, 09:48:31 AM
Quote from: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/dont-know-much-about-ancient-history/
Don’t Know Much About (Ancient) History
The things I do for book sales. I debated, sort of, Ron Paul on Bloomberg. Video here (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/91689761/). I thought we might have a discussion of why the runaway inflation he and his allies keep predicting keeps not happening. But no, he insisted (if I understood him correctly) that currency debasement and price controls destroyed the Roman Empire. I responded that I am not a defender of the economic policies of the Emperor Diocletian.

Actually, though, appeals to what supposedly happened somewhere in the distant past are quite common on the goldbug side of economics. And it’s kind of telling.

I mean, history is essential to economic analysis. You really do want to know, say, about the failure of Argentina’s convertibility law, of the effects of Chancellor Brüning’s dedication to the gold standard, and many other episodes.

Somehow, though, people like Ron Paul don’t like to talk about events of the past century, for which we have reasonably good data; they like to talk about events in the dim mists of history, where we don’t really know what happened. And I think that’s no accident. Partly it’s the attempt of the autodidact to show off his esoteric knowledge; but it’s also the fact that because we don’t really know what happened — what really did go down during the Diocletian era? — you can project what you think should have happened onto the sketchy record, then claim vindication for whatever you want to believe.

It’s funny, in a way — except that this sort of thinking dominates one of our two main political parties.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 01, 2012, 10:04:14 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 01, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
Live footage of the May Day protests/riots in Seattle.

http://www.komonews.com/live
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2012, 05:41:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Yr2fwJRUs

:bow Fox News :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
Obummer just gave a speech, will be ending the Afghanistan war in two years :violin
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/obama-outlines-timeline-for-leaving-afghanistan

we didn't have enough time to win!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 01, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
Finally
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 01, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
I once saw some sidewalk graffiti in Portland where someone had written in one color of chalk, "ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN A DAY. BUT ITS COLLAPSE WAS SWIFT. [anarchist symbol]". In another color of chalk, the "WAS SWIFT" had been crossed out and corrected with "TOOK A THOUSAND YEARS". I wish I'd taken a picture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2012, 11:58:48 PM
Speaking of the Romans, I was forwarded a chain e-mail by one of my douchey right wing friends that had a photoshopped image of Obama as Emperor Nero playing a violin while Rome (in this case, Washington D.C.) was burning.

Not the first time I've seen such an image or one similar, but it always puzzled me. If anything, Nero did what Republicans wanted: he didn't get the government involved and let the free market handle things. What's not to love?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 02, 2012, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on May 01, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
I once saw some sidewalk graffiti in Portland where someone had written in one color of chalk, "ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN A DAY. BUT ITS COLLAPSE WAS SWIFT. [anarchist symbol]". In another color of chalk, the "WAS SWIFT" had been crossed out and corrected with "TOOK A THOUSAND YEARS". I wish I'd taken a picture.

The police chief here in Seattle is really hated by a lot of political activists. On the side of a building by our farmers market someone wrote "BRING DIAZ DOWN." Someone had some fun with it and added words to make it read "BRING DIAZ A DOWN COMFORTER."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on May 03, 2012, 07:03:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dETRcHWxN8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2012, 11:57:20 AM
Oil is down 4% so far today. Under $100/b for the first time in months. Gas has dropped $0.10 herein the past 2 days.

:bow Obama's price controls :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2012, 07:32:58 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/patrick-lanzo-georgia-bar-n-word-sign_n_1475288.html?ref=mostpopular

I've joked with friends that white people should just take the n word back on a universal level. The groundwork has been laid
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2012, 08:29:58 PM
Just gonna put this here:

Quote
"I say just because you're offended by it doesn't mean you don't have the right to say something just the opposite,”

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2012, 08:32:16 PM
I'll never understand those people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2012, 08:36:43 PM
He specifically advertises his bar as "The Origional [sic] Klan Bar."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
Klan Bar Triology
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
(http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/1054/HeardlandBillboard2.jpg)
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/05/04/477921/heartland-institute-compares-climate-science-believers-and-reporters-to-mass-murderers-and-madmen/

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2012, 01:00:02 AM
And Hitler advocated gun control, derp.  :dur
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 05, 2012, 11:31:25 AM
its worth noting that Ted Kazynski was/is some kind of super genius.  Crazier then a shithouse rat, but smarter then, well, most any climate change denier.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2012, 08:12:03 PM
Pretty good article here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/magazine/obamas-not-so-hot-date-with-wall-street.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=magazine

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For the next hour, the donors relayed to Messina what their friends had been saying. They felt unfairly demonized for being wealthy. They felt scapegoated for the recession. It was a few weeks into the Occupy Wall Street movement, with mass protests against the 1 percent springing up all around the country, and they blamed the president and his party for the public’s nasty mood. The administration, some suggested, had created a hostile environment for job creators.

Messina politely pushed back. It’s not the president’s fault that Americans are still upset with Wall Street, he told them, and given the public’s mood, the administration’s rhetoric had been notably restrained.

One of the guests raised his hand; he knew how to solve the problem. The president had won plaudits for his speech on race during the last campaign, the guest noted. It was a soaring address that acknowledged white resentment and urged national unity. What if Obama gave a similarly healing speech about class and inequality? What if he urged an end to attacks on the rich? Around the table, some people shook their heads in disbelief.

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One former supporter, Dan Loeb, compared Obama to Nero; the president’s enemies insinuated worse. In 2010, Stephen A. Schwarzman, a founder of Blackstone, said that an Obama proposal to raise taxes on “carried interest” — the main source of income for most private-equity managers — reminded him of “when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.”

lol rich people :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2012, 08:14:04 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 05, 2012, 11:32:38 PM
They're really not going to get it until they start getting killed, and maybe not even then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 06, 2012, 02:39:28 AM
Once again, clearly the problem with Nero was that he was TOO involved in government.

If only he didn't raise taxes on carried interest for aureus traders, Rome would still be standing today.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2012, 12:16:23 PM
Hey friends, been away for a bit and probably will be again shortly, not that you care or will notice the lack of my vile ramblings. But I will post some crap anyway.

Gary Johnson got the Libertarian nom on the first ballot despite an epic fuck up of a convention for even Libertarian standards since it only took one ballot. Yay!

Boilerplate: If you're in a "lost" state either way do look to Gary for the candidate in favor of civil liberties, anti-war (including the worst war, the War on Drugs), against NDAA, for gay marriage/rights, etc. blah blah blah I had to do it. If any of you know me, you know I've been behind him for a while now.

That said, other boilerplate: It's worth voting at the top of the ticket for third parties just to keep them on the ballot (Libertarian, Green, Constitution, etc.), ballot status matters, your vote for D or R is irrelevant, every third party vote counts. Also blah blah blah. (Disclosure: I have voted for Constitution Party aka U.S. Taxpayers Party on the Michigan ballot because they were the lowest of the parties in status.)

That out of the way, something interesting for my bros on The Bore...

One of the better Presidential quiz things so far:
http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz

If you have NoScript on, turn it off and you can pick "other stances" or whatever, they have a good number of choices outside of Yes/No. Although some of the candidates have the wrong answers. Obama and Paul had one each wrong that I noticed but I didn't look too detailed, just glancing. And like all of these quiz things there are bad questions with worse answers.

I think these were my "first time through, first choice" picks:
Quote
Ron Paul - 93%
Gary Johnson - 79%
Mitt Romney - 51%
Buddy Roemer - 39%
Jimmy McMillan - 28%
Kent Mesplay - 23%
Fred Karger - 5%
Barack Obama - 3%

Libertarian - 90%
Republican - 44%
Green - 23%
Democratic - 3%
http://www.isidewith.com/results/5504941

For fun,  here's the results of a guy I know who claims he's a "hardcore libertarian": http://www.isidewith.com/results/5505729
(dat foreign policy)

And lastly, because it's the best political story I've seen in a long while, Alabama Republican politician Bill Johnson is obsessed with donating sperm: http://blog.al.com/live/2012/05/alabama_politician_bill_johnso.html
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She said Johnson plans to apply for residency so he can stay in New Zealand, and that he intends to donate sperm to additional women.

"He is obsessed with this. He doesn't want to stop," she said.
...
Johnson, a former Birmingham city councilman and cabinet member for Gov. Bob Riley, said he was unable to have children with his wife and that the desire to father a child was “a need that I have.”

Kathy Johnson, a two-time Mrs America finalist with three children from a previous relationship, said the first baby is a girl and due to arrive this month. There are at least two others, also girls, who are due in June and July, she said.

Johnson began donating sperm after arriving in Christchurch in 2011 to work on earthquake recovery. He created an online persona "chchbill" on unofficial websites for those seeking sperm donors. Some women later claimed he misled them about his background and the number of partners that he impregnated, raising concerns among New Zealand fertility specialists.

"He doesn't really know how many pregnancies there are out there. Some women were so angry they didn't want to talk to him again," she said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2012, 02:52:25 PM
Aw benji, I didn't realize you were a global warming nut.  That actually makes me sad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2012, 03:02:00 PM
Depends what you mean, I picked the "best answer" but I do generally side with a Bjorn Lomborg, Ron Bailey, etc. type.

I don't reject climate change (it's natural) or human impact (seems logical) but I can't comprehend a situation where a government or any institution can control the climate of all things or even that a certain climate must be the "best" and thus preserved. Not to mention the "policy" floated to "solve" the "issue" proposed. You can't manage an economy, or a country and you want to control the climate?!?

I think there are a lot more things within our grasp that we can combat and can improve the lives of more people (AIDS, clean water, etc.) and that the inherent rising cost of energy will help us towards a better situation.

I will admit that I'm a big big insulter of any scare story, including the Day After Tomorrow, Peter Ehrlich, etc. type of stuff. Inherent skepticism. And I probably have been colored by a lot of the claims made regarding climate change (especially when models fail), but if you think I'm skeptical about that, don't read anything I write about the NBA.

Some of them were "least worse answer" if that helps. (And I could have gone multiple ways on a few like abortion, etc. and just picked the first one I thought was "acceptable.")

EDIT: Just to add, I prefer Gary Johnson over Ron Paul despite the score.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
New rule: the answer to any question that starts with "does Paul actually have a chance" is no
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
No.

But he can make noise and minor chaos at the convention. (Which he won't.)

Can't find the article now, but the GOP is freaking out at the fact that the Paul people are totally engaged and marching into conventions and sending only their delegates. One woman in a state thought she'd have their nomination for some random seat and the Paulites swarmed in (because nobody else showed up) and elected their own nominee and she threw a fit.

It's not really about derailing Romney at all, it's about putting Paul people into high up GOP positions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
New rule: the answer to any question that starts with "does Paul actually have a chance" is no

Wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o
Title: I freely confess to being awesome
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2012, 01:28:28 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2012, 03:02:00 PM
I will admit that I'm a big big insulter of any scare story, including the Day After Tomorrow, Peter Ehrlich, etc. type of stuff. Inherent skepticism.

I'm not sure who exactly wants to be known as credulous and easily panicked.

The interesting part is the epistemology of sussing out just what is and isn't a false alarm.  If I were to ask Triumph of an example of a ginned up panic, he'd probably give me something like "runaway inflation caused by government spending."  Yet I know plenty of self-professed skeptics who would tell me I need to take that threat very seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 07, 2012, 06:34:25 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2012, 03:02:00 PM

I will admit that I'm a big big insulter of any scare story, including the Day After Tomorrow, Peter Ehrlich, etc. type of stuff. Inherent skepticism.

Well, on that note....

http://gwynnedyer.com/2012/global-civilisation-the-options/

We're all doomed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 07, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
The 17,083,388, 343th piece of evidence why Obama hates White people:

Quote from: Some asshole from the Washington Times
[H]alf-white Barack Obama (exactly my age) didn't say a word, even though he was talking to college kids that day.... Funny the "coolest president ever" doesn't say a word about the passing of MCA. Weird and kinda sad, actually. [...]

The president took time from his busy schedule to comment on the passing of black musicians. When Whitney Houston, a longtime crack addict, died this year, the White House put out a statement.... And when accused pedophile and drug addict Michael Jackson died in 2009, the White House weighed in with the president's thoughts. [...]

Mr. Obama is said to have 2,000 songs on his iPod, but he's never mentioned the Beastie Boys. Too bad. He could learn so much from them. Still can.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
I see that and raise you this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37652626&postcount=6306
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 07, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
I see that and raise you this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37652626&postcount=6306

tim mcveigh II in training
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 07, 2012, 10:48:58 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2012, 08:08:34 PM
I see that and raise you this http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37652626&postcount=6306

Reads like a 'Winger's greatest hit's list, complete with random capitalization of certain words for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2012, 11:28:06 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/05/07/120507fa_fact_secor

Story by Laura Secor about visiting Iran for their equivalent of midterm elections.  Sort of turns into one of those pieces that's about the reporter's experiences, but for a reason.  It's worth reading the whole thing as there's a bit of a punchline to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 08, 2012, 12:58:09 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 07, 2012, 11:28:06 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/05/07/120507fa_fact_secor

Story by Laura Secor about visiting Iran for their equivalent of midterm elections.  Sort of turns into one of those pieces that's about the reporter's experiences, but for a reason.  It's worth reading the whole thing as there's a bit of a punchline to it.

There's no way to read the article without a subscription?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2012, 01:12:58 AM
Starting to like Sadly, No!  more and more each day:

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/36971.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2012, 01:25:38 AM
am nintenho: whoops, read the paper version and linked to it without checking.  Looks like it's paywall; not sure if you can use bugmenot or whatever to get by it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2012, 02:04:55 AM
lol Mittens:

Quote
During an interview with WEWS-TV in Cleveland following a campaign stop, Romney said his views helped save the industry.

"I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy," Romney said. "And finally, when that was done, and help was given, the companies got back on their feet. So I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/mitt-romney-auto-industry_n_1498520.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2012, 04:09:01 AM
This guy...I can't wait until he pulls that shit in a debate. Yes, a managed bankruptcy occurred but Romney was never apart of the conversations and still disagrees with the federal bailout that followed. Not even our right wing governor believes a private finance company was going to swoop in and save the auto industry. They were either going to get the federal loan or Michigan/Indiana/Ohio would be facing 15-20% unemployment, simple as that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2012, 11:33:45 PM
Good job, NC.  Today, my home state voted by a 60-40 margin for an unnecessary amendment to the state Constitution that outlaws gay marriage.  Oh, it also goes one step further and defines marriage exclusively as man-woman, and denies unmarried couples any kind of benefits that married couples have.  So, kids getting healthcare and women being abused are about to lose a bunch of programs they used to have access to, because a bunch of idiots wanted to spike the football of hate and do the end-zone dance of ignorance just to make doubly sure that THEM HOMOS KNOW THEIR PLACE.

Fuck this state and country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2012, 11:40:11 PM
From December 2006:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HFNJw7xGSA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YTY5TWtmU

This is incredibly depressing to watch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2012, 11:46:22 PM
Schiff had a (mostly) correct diagnosis, but his prescription was pure libertopian lunacy.  Would have made shit about 20 times worse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
Pretty much. Still, watching everyone laugh and dismiss his argument that the economy was weak...is stunning. Of course now they'd all blame the (slowly recovering) economy entirely on Obama lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2012, 11:53:29 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 08, 2012, 11:46:22 PM
Schiff had a (mostly) correct diagnosis, but his prescription was pure libertopian lunacy.  Would have made shit about 20 times worse.

I figured as much when he started talking about gold. Still, it's just stunning to me that he was one of this tiny, tiny group of people that could see everything was on the verge of total collapse and everyone else has got sunshine and lollipops in their eyes talking about how we're on the verge of this amazing stretch of extended economic prosperity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 08, 2012, 11:58:06 PM
To be cynical here, I think a lot more people knew it was all going to come crashing down (outside of the banks and insurance companies) than they care to admit.  The good times were rolling and they knew it was going to end but first let me make a few million dollars more while the gettin's good.  We can worry about the subsequent crash later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2012, 12:06:21 AM
Now that I can believe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 09, 2012, 01:05:05 AM
"Thanks for the tax dollars, these'll spend just fine, and I see you didn't get any gay on them. Now go fuck yourself, taco."

Jesus.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on May 09, 2012, 02:08:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywImcNViPtc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 02:14:04 AM
I still think that the eventual triumph of the gay rights movement is inevitable, but that's cold comfort if you're a gay person living in North Carolina (or most other states) today.

A hundred years from now, kids will have trouble understanding how people could be so shitty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 02:14:04 AM
I still think that the eventual triumph of the gay rights movement is inevitable, but that's cold comfort if you're a gay person living in North Carolina (or most other states) today.

A hundred years from now, kids will have trouble understanding how people could be so shitty.
This.  It's been two steps forward, one step back for a while.  It will eventually get there and even accelerate as older generations pass on and with them a lot of ignorant beliefs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2012, 10:27:07 AM
I imagine that within the next 10-20 years, the Supreme Court will rule laws outlawing gay marriage unconstitutional, but much like miscegenation laws some states will still have meaningless laws/amendments on the books for years to come.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
Depends on who is on the SC in 10-15 years. Roberts, Alito, and Thomas will still be there. So depending on who gets to replace Ginsburg, things might not change anytime soon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 02:14:04 AM
I still think that the eventual triumph of the gay rights movement is inevitable, but that's cold comfort if you're a gay person living in North Carolina (or most other states) today.

A hundred years from now, kids will have trouble understanding how people could be so shitty.
This.  It's been two steps forward, one step back for a while.  It will eventually get there and even accelerate as older generations pass on and with them a lot of ignorant beliefs.

I say this all the time. The people who think that gay marriage is inevitable are deluding themselves or don't live in the South. All that will happen is the liberal places will become more tolerant and the ignorant places will entrench themselves more and more as a form of tradition. The Supreme Court is the only way such a thing will ever become nationally viable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
I don't think each state will allow it by themselves but I do believe that the national sentiment will change enough that when the Supreme Court chimes they'll rule in favor of gay marriage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
I don't think each state will allow it by themselves but I do believe that the national sentiment will change enough that when the Supreme Court chimes they'll rule in favor of gay marriage.

If national sentiment means every place outside of the South and other strongly leaning Republican states then I suppose. As long as Republican presidential candidates get elected and put certain ideological judges on the bench it will take decades and decades and decades. All I can say is that if you don't live in the South, you don't understand how entrenched such views are and their kids aren't going to be any more enlightened than the parents were.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 02:39:12 PM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NC_050112.pdf

I don't think that's actually true, Stoney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
I don't think each state will allow it by themselves but I do believe that the national sentiment will change enough that when the Supreme Court chimes they'll rule in favor of gay marriage.

If national sentiment means every place outside of the South and other strongly leaning Republican states then I suppose. As long as Republican presidential candidates get elected and put certain ideological judges on the bench it will take decades and decades and decades. All I can say is that if you don't live in the South, you don't understand how entrenched such views are and their kids aren't going to be any more enlightened than the parents were.
I know Texas isn't the traditional South but it is extremely conservative and I have lived and have family and friends in rural East Tennessee.  I've seen a tremendous change in attitude over the last 10 years or so.  When I was younger I remember my grandmother saying "fags shouldn't marry" and how it's an abomination.  In 2009 when I was visited her she told me that this country cares too much about who's having sex with who and that they should be able to do what they want.  I know it's all anecdotal, but I'm hard pressed to think of anyone I know that is truly against gay marriage especially from a younger generation.  I'm not saying they don't exist.  I'm saying that public sentiment is changing so much that even most of them feel like it's not a good idea to go about ranting and raving anymore.  The tide is turning IMO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 03:10:31 PM
I think it's telling that anti-gay activists feel the need to avoid explicit homophobia, and use roundabout arguments like the religious freedom one.  It's a sign that the norms are shifting towards tolerance.

Of course we'll still get that weird thing like we have with racism, where it's still pretty common but nobody will cop to it.  In a few decades people will be accusing each other of "pulling the gay card".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 09, 2012, 03:20:31 PM
On the contrary, I think gay marriage will be ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court within 10-15 years.

It will need to be done by the Supreme Court as there will be a lot of states doubling down on the homo hating and not enough people in Congress + the President will have enough balls to sign it into a law, let alone an amendment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Sigh.  Obama just did the right thing, but he also just lost any chance of carrying Virginia or NC in the general.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 09, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 09, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Sigh.  Obama just did the right thing, but he also just lost any chance of carrying Virginia or NC in the general.

Thanks for posting a link buddy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
Well as Michelle Obama would say, today is the first day I feel proud to be an American in my adult life. I didn't think he had the balls, or was a strong enough leader to take this stand in such a close election. Good to see he finally realized the people must butthurt about gay marriage aren't voting for him anyway, and democrats who don't support it (like black people) will vote for him regardless, and will certainly know that Obama can't wave a magic wand and institute gay marriage.

And perhaps more importantly, I get to troll Gaborn nonstop now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2012, 03:47:14 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 09, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 09, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Sigh.  Obama just did the right thing, but he also just lost any chance of carrying Virginia or NC in the general.

Thanks for posting a link buddy

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obama+gay+marriage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 03:47:24 PM
Oh shit.  Yes, yes, yes.  I really didn't think he'd have the balls to do it until after the election.  But Biden put his feet to the fire..
http://gma.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 09, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
http://dailykos.com/story/2012/05/09/1090136/-President-Obama-to-ABC-News-Same-sex-marriage-should-be-legal-
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 09, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Sigh.  Obama just did the right thing, but he also just lost any chance of carrying Virginia or NC in the general.

Yea, people are completely going to decide gays getting married trumps the economy on their priority list now...

Obama is up 7-8 points in Virginia right now, and NC is close. I don't think he'll win NC, but he has a damn good chance at Virginia due to the demographic changes. And of course if he wins Virginia, the election is over
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
i have my local nbc news channel liked on fb

when obama announced it, they said BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!! and i just laughed. oh texas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 03:56:45 PM
Newsfix did the same thing, Himu.  Reading the comments is sad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 09, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 09, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Sigh.  Obama just did the right thing, but he also just lost any chance of carrying Virginia or NC in the general.

Quote from: PPP
On national poll last weekend we found most voters opposed to legal recognition for gay couples ALREADY think Obama supports gay marriage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on May 09, 2012, 03:59:32 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 09, 2012, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 09, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
Sigh.  Obama just did the right thing, but he also just lost any chance of carrying Virginia or NC in the general.

Quote from: PPP
On national poll last weekend we found most voters opposed to legal recognition for gay couples ALREADY think Obama supports gay marriage

While that's hilarious ... we all know he did personally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 09, 2012, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
And perhaps more importantly, I get to troll Gaborn nonstop now

That dude is never happy. He's already pissy about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on May 09, 2012, 04:06:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 03:44:30 PM
And perhaps more importantly, I get to troll Gaborn nonstop now

That dude is never happy. He's already pissy about it.

Yup I knew this would happen. After YEARS of attacking Obama on this, he can't even admit this is a good thing. Hell, he refuses to admit Obama was the most pro-gay rights president ever BEFORE today's news
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 09, 2012, 04:31:49 PM
I find the timing of this announcement hilarious. obama is clearly catering to his base but the day directly after nc gives people the finger? I dunno. makes his intentions seem more political than social. but it's good, either way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 09, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
wow, Gaborn is such a farce.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
Gaborn is a closet straight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hock on May 09, 2012, 04:42:43 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 09, 2012, 03:54:40 PM
i have my local nbc news channel liked on fb

when obama announced it, they said BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!! and i just laughed. oh texas.
Same thing in georgia. They even had man on the street interviews and stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 09, 2012, 04:43:05 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/shep-smith-gop-is-on-wrong-side-of?ref=fpb

Shep Smith. :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on May 09, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/05/snapshot_2012-05-09_15-42-04.jpg)

 :lol  Fox Nation never disappoints.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 09, 2012, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: Robo on May 09, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/05/snapshot_2012-05-09_15-42-04.jpg)

 :lol  Fox Nation never disappoints.

They changed it. Got rid of "war on marriage."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2012, 04:57:05 PM
Quote from: Robo on May 09, 2012, 04:43:45 PM
(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/05/snapshot_2012-05-09_15-42-04.jpg)

 :lol  Fox Nation never disappoints.

From the comments:

Quote
the liar in chief will say whatever he thinks the group he is talking to want him to say

He's doing a nationally televised interview...so the group he's talking to is the nation...so the nation wants him to say this, I guess? Sounds like everything's great then!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 09, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
wait wait wait.  So on page 2 of the GAF thread, Gaborn says that he would "respect" Obama if he signed an Executive Order on the topic.

It's not clear what that Executive Order would entail, but wouldn't an Executive Order legalizing Gay Marriage directly go against all of that "constitutional states' rights" mumbo jumbo Gaborn's always going on about?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2012, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: Boogie on May 09, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
wait wait wait.  So on page 2 of the GAF thread, Gaborn says that he would "respect" Obama if he signed an Executive Order on the topic.

It's not clear what that Executive Order would entail, but wouldn't an Executive Order legalizing Gay Marriage directly go against all of that "constitutional states' rights" mumbo jumbo Gaborn's always going on about?
yup  :lol

And I'm not even sure a president can sign an executive order that legalizes gay marriage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2012, 05:26:38 PM
I think AT BEST, Obama could sign an executive order that said the Justice Department recognized gay marriage as legal. 

As always, Gaborn is a raging fucktard of epic proportions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 09, 2012, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on May 09, 2012, 02:04:10 PM
I don't think each state will allow it by themselves but I do believe that the national sentiment will change enough that when the Supreme Court chimes they'll rule in favor of gay marriage.

If national sentiment means every place outside of the South and other strongly leaning Republican states then I suppose. As long as Republican presidential candidates get elected and put certain ideological judges on the bench it will take decades and decades and decades. All I can say is that if you don't live in the South, you don't understand how entrenched such views are and their kids aren't going to be any more enlightened than the parents were.

yup.  it's undeniable that social views in this country are changing for the better, but saying that eliminates all the nuance of how shit changes.   people may be more progressive, but they can still be totally ignorant in a way that they don't actually realize (see libertarians and the poor).  and while everyone likes to point out how younger generations are more tolerant, they don't give as much attention to the fact that hate gets passed on too.  people in the midwest or south may not recoil in terror at the sight of a gay person (well ok lots of them do), but they damn sure don't want them to have equal rights.  ignorance is VERY strong, especially when passed down from parents.  it takes longer than a couple generations to weed that shit out.  hell, the missouri state legislature has been battling the last couple days over a bill that bans all organizations that train women for boardroom positions or encourages them to enter public service!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 09, 2012, 05:47:55 PM
Quote from: Boogie on May 09, 2012, 05:13:17 PM
wait wait wait.  So on page 2 of the GAF thread, Gaborn says that he would "respect" Obama if he signed an Executive Order on the topic.

It's not clear what that Executive Order would entail, but wouldn't an Executive Order legalizing Gay Marriage directly go against all of that "constitutional states' rights" mumbo jumbo Gaborn's always going on about?

That dude has always been a hypocrite, a moron, and a jackass all rolled up into a tight ball.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 09, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
Creepy Old Dude, I think this only really "hurts" Obama in North Carolina considering the current context, but he doesn't need it.  He's got Virginia, and that's all he needs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2012, 06:57:09 PM
There's still half a year until the election and numerous things could happen.  I wouldn't count any chickens until they've hatched and been indoctrinated into the socialistic homo-bortion sharia law agenda.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 09, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Out of all the groups that suffer from cognitive dissonance, gay right wingers perplex me the most. At least with the Republican Messicans or Republican the Blacks, I can at least see the righties make the argument that they only hate the illegal/lazy/shiftless ones. But with homosexuals? They all absolutely despise them.

I mean, I get that we all have our priorities and such, but really? I mean, really now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2012, 10:07:34 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/07/fox-news-contributor-laments-mistake-of-letting-women-vote/

:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 09, 2012, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 09, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Out of all the groups that suffer from cognitive dissonance, gay right wingers perplex me the most. At least with the Republican Messicans or Republican the Blacks, I can at least see the righties make the argument that they only hate the illegal/lazy/shiftless ones. But with homosexuals? They all absolutely despise them.

I mean, I get that we all have our priorities and such, but really? I mean, really now?

It's equivalent to a blind, black, white supremacist that left his wife of 20 years because she was a nicca lover..
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 10, 2012, 03:54:10 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 09, 2012, 06:44:05 PM
Creepy Old Dude, I think this only really "hurts" Obama in North Carolina considering the current context, but he doesn't need it.  He's got Virginia, and that's all he needs.

That's a stupid argument. Obama doesn't want to just win. He wants to kill-fuck the current Republican party so viciously that their children will never forget. He wants to sweep the senate and the house clean of the tea baggers and get some actual legislation pushed forward in his second and last term.

This move, supporting full marriage equality, is going to help him do this. It keeps the Republicans distracted from the important issues. I mean, they actually got themselves distracted arguing over whether universally supported things like birth control and the DREAM act were okay. Issues that lost them a significant portion of voters and gained them nothing. So presenting this gay marriage topic on a silver platter just baits them into exposing all their hatred and stupidity, preventing Romney from shaking his etch-a-sketch back to the center.

In November, either there will be a slumping economy that the Republicans barely paid any attention to due to their focus on social issues. Or there will be a booming economy that Republicans didn't pay attention because they couldn't come up with a legitimate criticism of Obama other than his views on social issues. Keeping Republicans focused on social issues like this is just political calculus. Just beautiful, and merciless.

I think something regarding amnesty for undocumented immigrants is also going to come up in the next few months. It's going to be fun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 10, 2012, 04:57:18 AM
Quote
That the president has chosen today, when LGBT Americans are mourning the passage of Amendment One, to finally speak up for marriage equality is offensive and callous. Log Cabin Republicans appreciate that President Obama has finally come in line with leaders like Vice President Dick Cheney on this issue, but LGBT Americans are right to be angry that this calculated announcement comes too late to be of any use to the people of North Carolina, or any of the other states that have addressed this issue on his watch. This administration has manipulated LGBT families for political gain as much as anybody, and after his campaign’s ridiculous contortions to deny support for marriage equality this week he does not deserve praise for an announcement that comes a day late and a dollar short.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/05/09/481318/lcr-obama-marriage/

 :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 10, 2012, 07:05:15 AM
You would think that for people who absolutely love the Bible, republicans would actually bother reading it:

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On Wednesday, MSNBC's Martin Basir invited Rep. Joe Barton to discuss an upcoming vote in the House that would slash funding for, among other things, Meals on Wheels, and school lunches for poor children. Barton, some of you may recall, was the dipshit congressman that apologized on the House floor to British Petroleum for our ocean getting in the way of their oil.

Barton said a few interesting things, but one thing that REALLY caught my attention was when he tried to defend his callous cuts by pointing to the Bible.

Bashir: I know you're a long time member of the Methodist Church. Is that correct?

Barton: Yes, sir. That's a true statement.

Bashir: How do you square your approach with the Psalm 146, where the Psalmist writes this: "He gives food to the hungry. The lord protects foreigners. He defends orphans and widows."  Isn't this the exact opposite of the cuts being proposed by Republicans in congress?

Barton: No, the lord helps those who helps themselves...

Bashir:  Which verse of scripture is that, sir?


Barton: Well, it's uh..


Bashir: I don't think you'll find that in the Old or New Testament.


Barton: Well, that was taught to me by my father who is president of the United Methodist school board in Waco Texas, and Bryant, Texas.

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/idiot-congressman-quotes-scripture.html (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/idiot-congressman-quotes-scripture.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 10, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 09, 2012, 04:31:49 PM
I find the timing of this announcement hilarious. obama is clearly catering to his base but the day directly after nc gives people the finger? I dunno. makes his intentions seem more political than social. but it's good, either way.

I don't see anything wrong with this.  Besides Obama needs to shore up his progressive base, the people who got all worked up over him in 2008 that resulted in him beating out the "inevitable" primary candidate.

I don't even think he lost NC by doing this.  The economy is going to be priority one and when Mitt Romney gets all flustered during the debates this fall when he can't really explain how he would run the economy better than Obama, people won't even remember these gay marriage comments.  This is an election year and the people who will bring this Obama's comments up about gay marriage in October are the same people who'd never vote for him.  Besides, I don't even think moderates and independents care about gay marriage much if at all.

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You would think that for people who absolutely love the Bible, republicans would actually bother reading it:

Most Christians in the US don't know shit about the Bible either. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
my dad is protestant and they only take new testament stuff as gospel, say the old is for jews and don't care
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2012, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 10, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
my dad is protestant and they only take new testament stuff as gospel, say the old is for jews and don't care

So he's cool with the gheys?  Cause I'm pretty sure all mentions of TEH GHEY are in the OT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on May 10, 2012, 12:54:52 PM
Naw, it's mentioned in Corinthians. 

http://www.bricktestament.com/epistles/those_who_will_never_inherit_the_kingdom_of_god/03_1c06_09c.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2012, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 10, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
my dad is protestant and they only take new testament stuff as gospel, say the old is for jews and don't care

Well the Law was indeed given to the Jews.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2012, 03:24:57 PM
Only thing you need to read in the Bible is the Gospels.  And Revelations, because DRAGONS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2012, 03:30:14 PM
Technically the Gospels were written to the Jews also. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2012, 03:35:04 PM
but then taught to the gentiles!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 10, 2012, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 10, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
my dad is protestant and they only take new testament stuff as gospel, say the old is for jews and don't care

So he's cool with the gheys?  Cause I'm pretty sure all mentions of TEH GHEY are in the OT.

yeah, the church denomination i went to is cool with the homos. our piano player is gay even.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2012, 04:16:07 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 10, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 10, 2012, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 10, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
my dad is protestant and they only take new testament stuff as gospel, say the old is for jews and don't care

So he's cool with the gheys?  Cause I'm pretty sure all mentions of TEH GHEY are in the OT.

yeah, the church denomination i went to is cool with the homos. our piano player is gay even.

I'm pretty sure 80% of all black churches have at least one gay dude in the choir department
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 10, 2012, 04:54:29 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 10, 2012, 03:24:57 PM
Only thing you need to read in the Bible is the Gospels.  And Revelations, because DRAGONS

The definitive version of Revelation: http://www.electricsheepcomix.com/apocamon/

(http://www.electricsheepcomix.com/apocamon/top_pic.gif)
(http://www.electricsheepcomix.com/apocamon/apocamon_title.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2012, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 10, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 10, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Most Christians in the US don't know shit about the Bible either.


Reading the bible is often a good first step to not being a Christian anymore.

Eh, not if you approach the Bible as simply the oral traditions passed down in written form, and not the book of God.  And even now, a lot of modern, nondenominational churches don't even bother with the Old Testament.  I've been to a few services in the past year or so that have actually been a breath of fresh air from shit I had to listen to when I was growing up.  The church down my street is almost exclusively a homosexual place of worship.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 10, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 10, 2012, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 10, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 10, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Most Christians in the US don't know shit about the Bible either.

Reading the bible is often a good first step to not being a Christian anymore.
Eh, not if you approach the Bible as simply the oral traditions passed down in written form, and not the book of God.  And even now, a lot of modern, nondenominational churches don't even bother with the Old Testament.  I've been to a few services in the past year or so that have actually been a breath of fresh air from shit I had to listen to when I was growing up.  The church down my street is almost exclusively a homosexual place of worship.

That's like saying a car is a great tool with no issues if you just never move it anywhere.

Maybe you would still be Christians in the sense that you believe in whatever lessons Christ taught (as passed down through oral traditions/etc) but I don't see how you're actually using the bible if you don't believe it to be a divine source of information. That's really the only way it's designed to work (meaning it needs faith).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
Pretty much every church I drove by here in small town NC had a "vote yes on amendment one" sign up.  It's a fucking plague, and it's at it's worst in the damn south.  I'm starting to think Sherman didn't go far enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2012, 06:31:36 PM
Probably baptist churches. I think the sad thing is that churches have so much authority that they tell people WHAT to vote for and the sheeple vote for it anyways.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 10, 2012, 07:28:47 PM
I saw Obama today while heading home. I decided to drive through downtown Seattle and saw him waving from his limo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2012, 07:43:27 PM
you should have offered him a blow job to make him change his stance on gay marriage and scare the gay out of him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2012, 07:46:17 PM
lol one of the black ladies at work sounded so bummed about Obama accepting teh gay marriage. She said she's going to vote for him, but some of her family members are now on the fence.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2012, 07:49:49 PM
:rofl black people and church
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
Pretty much. My mom's reaction is pretty impressive though. She realizes it's Obama's personal opinion, and is a state by state issue. Progress :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2012, 08:13:23 PM
I think gay marriage proponents have made a mistake by not trying to campaign for it under the blanket term of "equal rights".  Once you look at it through that prism it becomes pretty fucking obvious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
That's a good point. Same thing with the term "gay marriage."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 10, 2012, 10:37:13 PM
They're using the "equal rights" angle here in Washington state.

Gonna get a big ass "I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE. SUCK IT." sign and stick it in my yard if the anti-gay freaks get enough signatures to put it on the ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 11, 2012, 12:17:37 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 10, 2012, 08:13:23 PM
I think gay marriage proponents have made a mistake by not trying to campaign for it under the blanket term of "equal rights".  Once you look at it through that prism it becomes pretty fucking obvious.

All the LGBT activist groups refer to the issue as "marriage equality" but it hasn't caught on outside of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 11, 2012, 04:07:32 AM
Quote from: Spencer on May 10, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on May 10, 2012, 05:49:18 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 10, 2012, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 10, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Most Christians in the US don't know shit about the Bible either.


Reading the bible is often a good first step to not being a Christian anymore.

Eh, not if you approach the Bible as simply the oral traditions passed down in written form, and not the book of God. And even now, a lot of modern, nondenominational churches don't even bother with the Old Testament.  I've been to a few services in the past year or so that have actually been a breath of fresh air from shit I had to listen to when I was growing up.  The church down my street is almost exclusively a homosexual place of worship.

If you do that, you're not Christian. You just have a "Christian" morality. Being Christian is accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, not saying hey that imaginary Jesus dude does have good ethics!

Eh.  I suppose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORYcSjJaQt0

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 13, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
This seems to sum up my thoughts on the race so far this year:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/is-this-the-most-boring-election-ever-20120507
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 13, 2012, 05:00:07 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/eurodammerung-2/

Some crazy shit is going to happen here soon...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on May 13, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
Do you guys have any political books you reccomend someone read? I'm looking for anything interesting really don't really care about subjects just a good read
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2012, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 13, 2012, 05:00:07 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/eurodammerung-2/

Some crazy shit is going to happen here soon...

from the comments

Quote
Paul Krugman, LOL!
what else are you going to claim now?

You are one clueless Keynesian economist, nobel prize became a joke after you award and Obama's...

This whole democratic establishment beginning with Clinton and Summers who deregulated banks and get China into WTO, and created this crisis in the first place should be paying for it. Instead you got Obama to bail out the bankers......

How can you have people still voting for you guys? Oh yeah, make everyone on the other side a racist so that you get the full "clueless" vote in this country, sadly thats enough to win the presidency these days.

Obama bailed out the banks, Obama was president during 911, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
RNC Chairman: JP Morgan Chase's $2 billion loss proves that we need LESS regulation. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/df.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2012, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2012, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 13, 2012, 05:00:07 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/eurodammerung-2/

Some crazy shit is going to happen here soon...

from the comments

Quote
Paul Krugman, LOL!
what else are you going to claim now?

You are one clueless Keynesian economist, nobel prize became a joke after you award and Obama's...

This whole democratic establishment beginning with Clinton and Summers who deregulated banks and get China into WTO, and created this crisis in the first place should be paying for it. Instead you got Obama to bail out the bankers......

How can you have people still voting for you guys? Oh yeah, make everyone on the other side a racist so that you get the full "clueless" vote in this country, sadly thats enough to win the presidency these days.

Obama bailed out the banks, Obama was president during 911, etc

Quote
Alternate ending: money is eliminated altogether and everything once done for money is done for love. No more hoarding, no more rich and poor, no more starving children, no more insurance companies. Property becomes the servant of humanity, not its master. The evolution of life proceeds.
"... The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating." -Thomas Jefferson

Well yeah, I mean that sounds equally likely to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2012, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 13, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
RNC Chairman: JP Morgan Chase's $2 billion loss proves that we need LESS regulation. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/df.html)

I'm not sure there's a facepalm.gif big enough for this shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2012, 04:18:26 PM
http://newsone.com/2015185/obama-violated-dont-ask-dont-tell-of-the-black-church/

:rofl the black church :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 14, 2012, 04:37:13 PM
As a youngish urban black man, Obama should have been more in tune with the DL culture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2012, 04:58:06 PM
I'm going to flat out say that if you support your rights, but not the rights of all people from different backgrounds, you are a coward.

Fine. Make homosexual marriage and gays serving in the military illegal.

But along with it, let's reimplement Jim Crow and slavery of blacks.

While we're on the subject, reintroduce camps for the Japanese and have Chinese people work in deathly conditions for national expansion. Take away ALL women's rights.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 05:26:00 PM
Yup, I'm hearing more and more anecdotal stories about family or friends being very upset with Obama's decision. It sounds like most will be voting, but we'll see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2012, 05:28:18 PM
Check this out PD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRO8IujFWhk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on May 14, 2012, 05:29:03 PM
I really hope this doesn't cost Obama re-election.  Depends on how hateful the country is and unfortunately, parts of the country are still very hateful :\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 14, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
It won't. Romney is the competition, remember.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
It won't. Romney is the competition, remember.

Romney isn't the competition imo, the economy is; he's such a weak candidate. If it continues to improve, he'll win. If it stagnates or Europe blows up, he'll probably lose.

When you look at black unemployment rates and the loss of income over the last four years, I don't think black people are looking at Obama as being a success - but overall they give him the benefit of the doubt while pointing out that republicans refuse to work with him, he inherited a mess, etc. Blacks took a similar position on Clinton in his first term but it worked out in the end.

That being said, I expect AA turnout to be down in November. And the youth vote will lower too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
I think the economy can stagnate and he'll still win pretty easily.  It's only if it really gets worse that he's in danger of losing.  You just don't poll like Romney's been consistently polling in the states that matter and come back to win unless there's something big that happens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 14, 2012, 05:56:58 PM
Obama will win pretty easily - the biggest topic will be the economy.  Sure, not everyone is happy with how he has done things but it will be very difficult for Romney to prove that he can do it better.

The gay marriage thing will subside and not even matter in the long run, just like the killing of Bin Laden.  Come October, nobody will give a shit about either one of those two, it will come down to who will be more likely to get me a better paying job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on May 15, 2012, 08:31:18 PM
http://vimeo.com/42106882

Buttplugs in the shape of republican candidate polling data.

 :lol :lol :lol

I want a Santorum.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 16, 2012, 01:00:44 AM
Offered without comment:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/caption-contest-grover-norquist-plays-homeless-extra-in-the-new-atlas-shrugged-film-2/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on May 16, 2012, 02:30:18 AM
Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on May 15, 2012, 08:31:18 PM
http://vimeo.com/42106882

Buttplugs in the shape of republican candidate polling data.

 :lol :lol :lol

I want a Santorum.

  :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 16, 2012, 04:33:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
It won't. Romney is the competition, remember.

Romney isn't the competition imo, the economy is; he's such a weak candidate.

Really? Are you sure? I heard he might just be running a perfect campaign so far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2012, 09:11:09 AM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/obama_birther_movie_dreams_from_my_real_father.php?ref=fpb

Birther-mania takes an unexpected turn: it seems Obama's dad wasn't Kenyan, he was actually an American communinst who knocked up his mom and ran off, so his undercover CIA agent grandfather paid off Obama Sr. to marry his daughter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 16, 2012, 10:19:59 AM
Are you sure it's not something that is meant to troll birthers?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 16, 2012, 04:33:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
It won't. Romney is the competition, remember.

Romney isn't the competition imo, the economy is; he's such a weak candidate.

Really? Are you sure? I heard he might just be running a perfect campaign so far.
I see you aren't familiar with how things work here vs there :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 16, 2012, 06:00:47 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 16, 2012, 04:33:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
It won't. Romney is the competition, remember.

Romney isn't the competition imo, the economy is; he's such a weak candidate.

Really? Are you sure? I heard he might just be running a perfect campaign so far.

lolque
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 17, 2012, 03:19:31 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on May 16, 2012, 06:00:47 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 16, 2012, 04:33:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2012, 05:37:02 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 14, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
It won't. Romney is the competition, remember.

Romney isn't the competition imo, the economy is; he's such a weak candidate.

Really? Are you sure? I heard he might just be running a perfect campaign so far.

lolque

Apparently PD made a avatar bet, with somebody on neogaf, that Romney would win. He likes to troll a lot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2012, 04:13:56 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on May 17, 2012, 03:19:31 AM
Apparently PD made a avatar bet, with somebody on neogaf, that Romney would win. He likes to troll a lot.

Is that where the loser has to watch Avatar?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
PD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0-NQk1QmRk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 17, 2012, 07:49:22 PM
So apparently Romney actually said this, and not a someone who was trying to parody him:

Quote
Uh, I'm actually going to to, I'm not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was. And with regards to, uh, I'll go back and take at what was said there.

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/05/17/1092530/-Mitt-Romney-on-his-Jeremiah-Wright-attack-I-don-t-know-what-I-said-but-I-stand-by-it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 19, 2012, 03:43:36 PM
So here was a telling exchange that happened on Bill Maher's show yesterday:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/cnbc-hack-refuses-to-admit-that-romney.html

Basically, Maher called Romney out on his bullshit for saying Obama added more to the deficit than all the other presidents combined. He then sought a defense from the resident right wing hack, and she simply refused to acknowledge it, even after repeated prodding by Maher. In fact, she just sat there being completely silent.  It's truly breathtaking in a way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2012, 10:00:33 AM
It's not already legal?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on May 21, 2012, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 21, 2012, 09:33:25 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/05/19/487244/congressmen-seek-to-legalize-the-use-of-propaganda-on-american-audiences/?mobile=wp

Sure sounds great

Why do people always think that Obama is behind whatever hair-brained scheme a couple of idiot congressmen throw together?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2012, 09:07:21 PM
He is the new satan. Omnipresent and only full of ill will.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on May 21, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 21, 2012, 09:10:30 PM
Quote from: pickle on May 21, 2012, 09:03:38 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 21, 2012, 09:33:25 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/05/19/487244/congressmen-seek-to-legalize-the-use-of-propaganda-on-american-audiences/?mobile=wp

Sure sounds great

Why do people always think that Obama is behind whatever hair-brained scheme a couple of idiot congressmen throw together?

Huh? I didn't see any mention of Obama when I read that?

Comments feed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2012, 03:42:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hMHue.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
you guys have got to see this shit

:rofl

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/23/church-member-defends-pastor-worley/?hpt=ac_t1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2012, 04:29:56 PM
Gay people must be reproducing somehow though, otherwise why do we keep having all these gay people? We need to put our top men on this. And our bottom men.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2012, 04:35:30 PM
Omg

Ever since Obama threw down his support for same sex marriage, NAACP, and Colin Powell have thrown in their support. AND there is a surge of black support. Maryland? 59% of blacks were against gay marriage before the announcement, with 30-40% for it give or take (I don't remember the exact number from the article in question and I can't find it right now). Ever since the announcement, those numbers have FLIPPED.

OBAMA :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 24, 2012, 04:43:10 PM
Let's get ready for a second Nobel peace prize :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 24, 2012, 05:14:19 PM
What I love about the crazy pastor's plan is that he wants to put the queers AND the homosexuals in this fenced off concentration camp.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2012, 05:16:09 PM
He's talking about bi people or cross dressers I'm guessing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 24, 2012, 05:23:00 PM
found it!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/05/24/maryland_a_36_point_black_surge_of_support_for_gay_marriage.html

Yeah, I had the numbers off, but I was close!

Quote
The movement over the last two months can be explained almost entirely by a major shift in opinion about same-sex marriage among black voters. Previously 56 percent said they would vote against the new law with only 39 percent planning to uphold it. Those numbers have now almost completely flipped, with 55 percent of African Americans planning to vote for the law and only 36 percent now opposed.

:bow OBAMA :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 24, 2012, 05:30:06 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 24, 2012, 05:25:44 PM
That is very impressive to me. From an outsiders point of view, there seems to be a lot of homophobia in the black community.

It's a complicated issue, a lot of black people are deeply religious so are socially conservative despite being democrats, and a lot of them are really skeptical of gay people claiming discrimination due to the civil rights era stuff that they (or their parents/grandparents) had to endure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on May 24, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on May 24, 2012, 04:35:30 PM
Omg

Ever since Obama threw down his support for same sex marriage, NAACP, and Colin Powell have thrown in their support. AND there is a surge of black support. Maryland? 59% of blacks were against gay marriage before the announcement, with 30-40% for it give or take (I don't remember the exact number from the article in question and I can't find it right now). Ever since the announcement, those numbers have FLIPPED.

OBAMA :bow

That's awesome.  Nice to see some positive change happening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Yea, the response to Obama's announcement has been amazing. Really show the power a president wields isn't just in foreign affairs, nor limited by congress, but in influence and the ability to change the public narrative
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 24, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
mah nicca prez  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2012, 09:08:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHN0ZeS5c-4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politi
Post by: Barry Egan on May 24, 2012, 10:07:48 PM
Da fuuuuuuucccccc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 25, 2012, 04:10:42 AM
For everyone, but I think PD will get a special kick out of this:


National Review cover story explaining that the GOP is the real civil rights party. (http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/300432)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 25, 2012, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 25, 2012, 04:10:42 AM
For everyone, but I think PD will get a special kick out of this:


National Review cover story explaining that the GOP is the real civil rights party. (http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/300432)

Control + F "William F. Buckley"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2012, 02:33:13 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on May 25, 2012, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: Mandark on May 25, 2012, 04:10:42 AM
For everyone, but I think PD will get a special kick out of this:


National Review cover story explaining that the GOP is the real civil rights party. (http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/300432)

Control + F "William F. Buckley"

Both sides do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 25, 2012, 03:49:05 PM
:lol good god, it's like he doesnt even realize the last 40 years happened
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2012, 02:14:00 AM
In my case, I half wanted to Control + F "1968" but pretty much guessed what the spin would be right away. It's the typical conservative attempt to deny what Nixon's law and order/states' rights rhetoric was actually about, while also pulling the Robert Byrd/dixiecrat card on modern democrats. The article basically denies the existence of the Southern Strategy.

There's no question that the republican party was traditionally more progressive on civil rights than the democratic party. But the definition of republicans and democrats has changed so drastically over the last 60-70 years that current political sides cannot automatically claim the mantle of past political sides based purely on party affiliation. The democrat party originally championed low taxes, reduced government power, low regulation, and states' rights. Many southern democrats began shifting to the republican party starting in the 1930s. What a coincidence. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt)

Let's face it: race and racism dominated the southern economy for more than a hundred years; we fought a civil war over that shit if I remember correctly. The republican party's embrace of states' rights secured half of the south in 1968 and all of it in 1972, and since then the party has championed many policies that once were championed by dixiecrats and segregationists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 26, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
:bow Control-F :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2012, 06:42:18 PM
Jon Chait had a pretty sweet take down of that article:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/conservative-fantasy-history-of-civil-rights.html

Quote
To the extent that the spirit of the all-white, pro-states' rights, rigidly “Constitutionalist” southern Democrats exists at all today, Williamson locates it not in the nearly all-white, pro-states' rights, rigidly “Constitutionalist” southern Republicans, but rather in the current Democratic Party. This is possibly the most mind-boggling claim in Williamson’s essay:

   " Democrats who argue that the best policies for black Americans are those that are soft on crime and generous with welfare are engaged in much the same sort of cynical racial calculation President Johnson was practicing when he informed skeptical southern governors that his plan for the Great Society was “to have them distinguished black fellows voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.” Johnson’s crude racism is, happily, largely a relic of the past, but his strategy endures. "

The strategy of crude Democratic racism endures! That this strategy has sucked in more than 90 percent of the black electorate, and is currently being executed at the highest level by Barack Obama (who — at this point, it may be necessary to inform Williamson — is black) suggests a mind-blowing level of false consciousness at work among the African-American community.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2012, 06:53:22 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 26, 2012, 06:42:18 PM
Jon Chait had a pretty sweet take down of that article:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/conservative-fantasy-history-of-civil-rights.html

Quote
To the extent that the spirit of the all-white, pro-states' rights, rigidly “Constitutionalist” southern Democrats exists at all today, Williamson locates it not in the nearly all-white, pro-states' rights, rigidly “Constitutionalist” southern Republicans, but rather in the current Democratic Party. This is possibly the most mind-boggling claim in Williamson’s essay:

   " Democrats who argue that the best policies for black Americans are those that are soft on crime and generous with welfare are engaged in much the same sort of cynical racial calculation President Johnson was practicing when he informed skeptical southern governors that his plan for the Great Society was “to have them distinguished black fellows voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.” Johnson’s crude racism is, happily, largely a relic of the past, but his strategy endures. "

The strategy of crude Democratic racism endures! That this strategy has sucked in more than 90 percent of the black electorate, and is currently being executed at the highest level by Barack Obama (who — at this point, it may be necessary to inform Williamson — is black) suggests a mind-blowing level of false consciousness at work among the African-American community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7yx2y3TtY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 27, 2012, 12:29:00 AM
I'm not even sure why they would even try to argue that with a straight face.  Then I read some of what Republicans were doing a century ago and I'm shocked:

Quote
The Wisconsin Idea, in United States History, also refers to a series of political reforms of the late 19th century and early 20th century whose strongest advocate was Robert M. La Follette, Sr., Wisconsin's governor (1901–1906) and senator (1906–1925). The Wisconsin Idea was created by the state's progressives to do away with monopolies, trusts, high costs of living, and predatory wealth, which they saw as the problem that must be solved or else "no advancement of human welfare or progress can take place."[4] Reforms in labor and worker's rights were one of the major aspects of the Wisconsin Idea.

Quote
The Wisconsin Idea is the political philosophy developed in the American state of Wisconsin that fosters public universities' contributions to the state: "to the government in the forms of serving in office, offering advice about public policy, providing information and exercising technical skill, and to the citizens in the forms of doing research directed at solving problems that are important to the state and conducting outreach activities."[1] A second facet of the philosophy is the effort "to ensure well-constructed legislation aimed at benefiting the greatest number of people."[2] During the Progressive Era, proponents of the Wisconsin Idea saw the state as "the laboratory for democracy", resulting in legislation that served as a model for other states and the federal government.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Idea

If any Midwestern Republican was talking like what they did a century ago, they wouldn't even get a margin of error results in the 2012 primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2012, 12:38:55 AM
The labor movement of around 100 years ago was no joke, people were getting the shit beaten out of them or killed just so they didn't have to work 16 hour days for shitty pay in unsafe conditions.  Of course, all that gets whitewashed and skipped over when history's getting taught; instead you read about a couple of anarchists that blew shit up or killed people and nothing about the labor movement. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
On that subject: Teddy Roosevelt. It's interesting to read up on what he was doing, and trying to do, around and just after the turn of the century, bearing in mind that he was a Republican PRESIDENT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2012, 01:00:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
On that subject: Teddy Roosevelt. It's interesting to read up on what he was doing, and trying to do, around and just after the turn of the century, bearing in mind that he was a Republican PRESIDENT.

Yup that's what I'm talkin bout. By today's standards Teddy would be a democrat - hell, he'd be called a socialist.

And he palled around with Booker T Washington :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2012, 01:32:59 AM
Teddy was a major tree hugger, was a trust buster, advocated for a progressive income tax and was the first president to speak of the idea of UHC. Dude was the original Joseph Stalin.  :ussrcry

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2012, 01:00:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
On that subject: Teddy Roosevelt. It's interesting to read up on what he was doing, and trying to do, around and just after the turn of the century, bearing in mind that he was a Republican PRESIDENT.

Yup that's what I'm talkin bout. By today's standards Teddy would be a democrat - hell, he'd be called a socialist.

And he palled around with Booker T Washington :piss2

EVERY Republican president prior to dubya did at the very least 3 major things that would have them labeled as such.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 27, 2012, 02:10:49 AM
Teddy :heart my favorite president :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 27, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
Speaking of Republicans then vs. now, here's a decent read: http://nymag.com/news/features/george-romney-2012-5/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 27, 2012, 06:51:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfLsSg9wZlE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Vertigo on May 27, 2012, 07:19:09 PM
Dear lord they just can't say we don't like distinguished black fellows. All this skirting round the issue.

Even better they push forward brown and black conservatives to spread the message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QOscKvUjU


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2012, 11:15:15 PM
We (Americans) have a dream from our forefathers. Obama has a dream from his father. I see what you did there
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2012, 11:24:47 PM
Holy crap, check out what zany libertardianism Rand Paul's been getting up lately. :lol

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/26/1094530/-Rand-Paul-says-mislabelled-bad-milk-is-Free-Speech-accurate-FDA-label-laws-are-censorship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3aLE1H3wm8

Damn jackbooted FDA thugs denying our constitutional right to sell milk straight out the cow and get raped by greedy corporations' false advertising. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 28, 2012, 01:37:22 AM
Shut up, Rand Paul.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 28, 2012, 12:41:14 PM
Quote from: Spencer on May 28, 2012, 11:59:20 AM
Hippies like their raw milk, let em have it. I mean, if you're stupid enough not to realize the dangers of it, or to ignore them, it's your own damn fault if you get sick
until these idiots flood the justice system with lawsuits and the state foots the bill when they end up in the ER.  Oh and when they give it to their children. Oh and when they decide to start marketing it to the masses as "natural". Or when a bunch of other fringe idiots decide that they want their dangerousand unsanitary foods too. Its a can of worms I'd rather keep a lid on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2012, 07:41:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2Gu3IxYAI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
It's like the media is a cat, and unable to resist the catnip.

Of course, in this instance the cat is distinguished mentally-challenged and the catnip is a festering pile of shit, but yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 29, 2012, 08:58:29 PM
cast my ballot at the texas primary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2012, 09:10:44 PM
So Mittens apparently said recently that the government added 145k workers after Obama took office. Anyone know where he's getting these numbers?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2012, 09:12:49 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 29, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
It's like the media is a cat, and unable to resist the catnip.

Of course, in this instance the cat is distinguished mentally-challenged and the catnip is a festering pile of shit, but yeah.

At least Wolf told him to his face he was an idiot, but yeah I wish we could stop talking about this like it was a real issue. Might as well give some 9/11 truthers some airtime, or let the people that think Obama is a reptilian have their fair say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 29, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 29, 2012, 08:57:23 PM
It's like the media is a cat, and unable to resist the catnip.

Of course, in this instance the cat is distinguished mentally-challenged and the catnip is a festering pile of shit, but yeah.

This is an election year for what will be probably one of the most boring races we've seen since 1996.  The media is going to be ginning up a lot of controversies this year to try to make it as interesting as possible.

Coming up next: Jeremiah Wright, "Chicago Politics," and Bill Ayers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 30, 2012, 05:16:16 PM
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fnc-ff-20120530-obamaaddebtincrease.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2012, 05:39:00 PM
Pete Hoekstra Defends Birther Commission Proposal
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/cnn-host-confronts-pete-hoekstra-over-birther-commission-proposal.php?ref=fpa

This is the same guy who ran that racist yellow scare ad during the Super Bowl. Thank god his campaign has basically imploded since then
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 30, 2012, 05:43:50 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 30, 2012, 05:16:16 PM
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fnc-ff-20120530-obamaaddebtincrease.png)
Can't argue with facts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 30, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
I was waiting for Romney to try this line of defense. He's now claiming that it's unfair to attack him for his job creation record in Mass. because he "inherited" a bad economy. Seriously, you can't make this shit up: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/the-romney-campaigns-surreal-arguments-about-the-economy/2012/05/30/gJQAPyI01U_blog.html)

Quote
Governor Romney Inherited An Economy That Was Losing Jobs Each Month And Left Office With An Economy That Was Adding Jobs Each Month. After taking office at a time when the state was losing thousands of jobs every month, Governor Romney’s focus on fiscal responsibility helped create an environment where job growth returned to Massachusetts. Job growth increased throughout his term and the state added over 40,000 payroll jobs during his final year in office —the best year of job growth in Massachusetts over the past decade. Household employment grew by nearly 50,000 under Governor Romney and the unemployment rate declined to well under 5%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
I really don't see the point in attacking Romney's jobs record in Massachusetts. Their unemployment rate was around 4.2-4.5% throughout Romney's term, why is it surprising the state wasn't adding jobs with such a low UE rate?

Same thing with the liberal attacks on Scott Walker to a lesser extent. Wisconsin has one of the lowest UE rates in the country and is doing well
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 30, 2012, 05:57:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2012, 05:56:01 PM
I really don't see the point in attacking Romney's jobs record in Massachusetts. Their unemployment rate was around 4.2-4.5% throughout Romney's term, why is it surprising the state wasn't adding jobs with such a low UE rate?

Same thing with the liberal attacks on Scott Walker to a lesser extent. Wisconsin has one of the lowest UE rates in the country and is doing well

So Massachusetts would have been fine without Romney is what your saying?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 30, 2012, 06:00:11 PM
All right, PD, that's enough out of you.  :wag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2012, 12:24:11 AM
http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6776063/november-is-coming
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on June 01, 2012, 01:01:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhbRcDZiJJc

Republicans found their next mentally unstable hero.

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 02, 2012, 09:19:34 PM
A new conspiracy about Obama is afoot.  Get out your tinfoil hats, feggits  :hans1 :hans1 :hans1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clairvius_Narcisse

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It was explained that Narcisse had broken one of the traditional behavioural codes and was made into a ‘zombie’ as a punishment; when questioned, Narcisse told investigators that the sorcerer involved had ‘taken his soul’. [1] The instigator of the poisoning was alleged to be his brother, with whom he had quarreled over land.[2] After his apparent death and subsequent burial on May 2, 1962, his body was recovered and he was given a paste made from datura which at certain doses has a hallucinogenic effect and can cause memory loss. The bokor who recovered him then forced him, alongside others, to work on a sugar plantation until the master's death two years later. When the bokor died, and regular doses of the hallucinogen ceased, he eventually regained sanity (unlike others who had suffered brain damage from hypoxia while buried alive) and returned to his family after another 16 years, after finding his brother had died.[2]

Narcisse may also have ties to American President Barack Obama. One report suggested Narcisse and Obama are second cousins and such a relationship to a zombie should make Obama ineligible for the presidency. [3]

[3] linked to this article: http://tppatriots.net/2012/05/30/ex-dem-guv-suppose-obama-not-born-in-u-s/#comment-2573

A fine patriot calling himself Norbert Davis had this to write in the comments:

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Norbert Davis on June 2, 2012 at 11:35 am said:

I’m not going to say who told me, but a Hawaiian official who I know told me that Obama’s second cousin might be Clairius Narcisse, a man who was a Haitian zombie. That should disqualify him from being president.

Edit: I stumbled across this shocking new find when looking up jimson weed and bath salts on Wikipedia.  I hope Norbert Davis is fine and isn't in some holding cell in a secret CIA prison now :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 02, 2012, 09:33:05 PM
A friend of Obama's mom had a goat that was a known satan worshiper.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on June 02, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on May 27, 2012, 01:32:59 AM
Teddy was a major tree hugger, was a trust buster, advocated for a progressive income tax and was the first president to speak of the idea of UHC. Dude was the original Joseph Stalin.  :ussrcry

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2012, 01:00:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2012, 12:48:57 AM
On that subject: Teddy Roosevelt. It's interesting to read up on what he was doing, and trying to do, around and just after the turn of the century, bearing in mind that he was a Republican PRESIDENT.

Yup that's what I'm talkin bout. By today's standards Teddy would be a democrat - hell, he'd be called a socialist.

And he palled around with Booker T Washington :piss2

EVERY Republican president prior to dubya did at the very least 3 major things that would have them labeled as such.

It was Reagan and the neocons that turned the Republicans into fuckers who don't even pander to the liberals in order to retain their presidency. Even Nixon set up/supported shit like the EPA, Clear Air act and OSHA. Republicans since have just pandered solely to the base and or crazy warhawkish zealots.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 02, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Reagan raised income tax rates.

I think the breaking point was the 1994 GOP Revolution and the Contract with America.  After that, it has been more or less a dead set sprint to the right.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on June 02, 2012, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 02, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Reagan raised income tax rates.

I think the breaking point was the 1994 GOP Revolution and the Contract with America.  After that, it has been more or less a dead set sprint to the right.

True. I just can't get over the War on Drugs, the "AIDS" is a gay disease and Reaganomics. Shit that still plagues us today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 03, 2012, 12:06:04 AM
Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on June 02, 2012, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 02, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Reagan raised income tax rates.

I think the breaking point was the 1994 GOP Revolution and the Contract with America.  After that, it has been more or less a dead set sprint to the right.

True. I just can't get over the War on Drugs, the "AIDS" is a gay disease and Reaganomics. Shit that still plagues us today.

I agree with you but on occasion, he would change the course if something wasn't going to work out the way it is planned; these days, the GOP just keeps doubling down as a solution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on June 03, 2012, 12:09:39 AM
Quote
Norbert Davis on June 2, 2012 at 11:35 am said:

I’m not going to say who told me, but a Hawaiian official who I know told me that Obama’s second cousin might be Clairius Narcisse, a man who was a Haitian zombie. That should disqualify him from being president.

Ah yes, the old "Not-allowed-to-be-related-to-a-haitian-zombie" clause.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 03, 2012, 01:52:54 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 02, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
Reagan raised income tax rates.

And gave amnesty to 3 million illegals, actually endorsed a world without nukes, and tripled the debt (not that this last one is anything that Republicans actually give a shit about, but it's fun to point out).

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I think the breaking point was the 1994 GOP Revolution and the Contract with America.  After that, it has been more or less a dead set sprint to the right.

It didn't help that Clinton seemed to be a huge fan of "triangulation" and giving into the GOP's demands almost gleefully.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2012, 05:35:02 PM
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/hawaii-verifies-obama-not-qualified-for-president-dual-citizen-foreign-father/

Is there any country Obama isn't a citizen of? Triple citizen of the US, UK, and Keyna, truly a man of the world. :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2012, 06:01:56 PM
Break up the CIA. A pack of rednecks can obviously do a better job.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 05, 2012, 08:47:25 PM
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/tomi_kk/The%20Smileys/mood_hyper.gif)

:tea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2012, 09:59:26 PM
Sounds like Walker survived the recall in Wisconsin. Great job, Wisconsin dems. Instead of waiting for November, you blew your load early with a ridiculous summer recall. Whoops  :lol

Walker is basically Republican Jesus now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2012, 10:23:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZNFRc.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2012, 12:54:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/3XN3h.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 08, 2012, 01:07:10 AM
.

damn, I guess hotlinking to that site isn't allowed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on June 09, 2012, 11:50:37 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2012, 12:54:12 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/3XN3h.jpg)

So true, I was exposed to second hand gay and now I'm bisexual. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 10, 2012, 02:02:16 AM
http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-surrenders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773

I didn't realize creationism was so big in South Korea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 10, 2012, 02:19:13 AM
That was talked about in a GAF thread. Apparently, evangelical christians are really well organized and active over there.

I wonder how this will affect their global high school science rankings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2012, 02:32:59 AM
StarCraft and Jesus. Potent mix
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 10, 2012, 02:41:30 AM
kekereationism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2012, 04:31:51 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 10, 2012, 02:02:16 AM
http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-surrenders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773

I didn't realize creationism was so big in South Korea.

That is...surprising and amazingly depressing.

Doesn't SK have the best ranked education system in the world?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
Quote
Curt Schilling's embattled 38 Studios has declared bankruptcy, as Rhode Island and federal authorities open an investigation into how the company handled its finances.

WPRI reports the state police, attorney general's office, U.S. Attorney's office and the FBI will investigate 38 Studios, "both the money that came from the state as well as the money that came from Bank Rhode Island." The Providence Journal confirmed the bankruptcy this afternoon.

Beyond the controversial tax-payer backed loan of $75 million to 38 Studios, the Bank Rhode Island reportedly loaned the developer $8.5 million earlier this year against tax credits that haven't materialized.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/07/38-studios-declares-bankruptcy-formal-investgation-begins-regar/

For reference:

http://38pitches.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/this-should-be-how-we-implement-legitimate-health-care/

:bow the free market :bow2


Curt Schilling's a true American patriot/hero. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2012, 08:04:41 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 10, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
Quote
Curt Schilling's embattled 38 Studios has declared bankruptcy, as Rhode Island and federal authorities open an investigation into how the company handled its finances.

WPRI reports the state police, attorney general's office, U.S. Attorney's office and the FBI will investigate 38 Studios, "both the money that came from the state as well as the money that came from Bank Rhode Island." The Providence Journal confirmed the bankruptcy this afternoon.

Beyond the controversial tax-payer backed loan of $75 million to 38 Studios, the Bank Rhode Island reportedly loaned the developer $8.5 million earlier this year against tax credits that haven't materialized.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/07/38-studios-declares-bankruptcy-formal-investgation-begins-regar/

For reference:

http://38pitches.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/this-should-be-how-we-implement-legitimate-health-care/

:bow the free market :bow2


Curt Schilling's a true American patriot/hero. :usacry

Yeah, he's also been quoted as saying: "If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him."

I guess it's only foodstamps that are considered handouts, $75 Million in tax payer money is serious boot-strap pulling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 10, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Which is funny because Kingdoms of Amalur looked like derivative, boring shit and the reviews seem to reflect that.  Such money pissed away on a paint by number westaboo WRPG.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
They brought in R.A. Salvatore and Todd Macfarlane, to head up story/world creation and art design respectively. None of that is remotely reflected in the finished product. Now, maybe I'm giving those guys too much credit here, but I would at least expect to get something remotely unique and interesting from them. Instead the art is typical Tolkien-inspired fantasy through and through and the story, characters, and world are utterly forgettable. They could have hired some art and English majors straight out of college and I would expect the finished product to be no different. Apparently R.A. Salvatore is owed 5 MILLION dollars for his work [including royalties from the actual sale of the game, which he'll never get]. Aside from the more action-based combat [which isn't half bad], there is absolutely nothing to distinguish Amalur from any other fantasy MMO out there, except that it's single-player.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
They also paid Day9 and Felicia Day to stream the game, talk about how awesome it was etc. Funny stuff
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 11, 2012, 01:49:03 AM
Isn't Felicia Day a recovering mmo addict? That's like putting an alcoholic in your beer ad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 12, 2012, 12:23:00 PM
(http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Breitbart_350_Pixels_For_Column-fixed__59804_zoom.jpg)

Quote from: http://wonkette.com/474804/hideous-3999-95-painting-of-andrew-breitbart-is-actually-swiped-from-a-video-game
Hideous $3999.95 Painting of Andrew Breitbart Actually Swiped from Video Game
by Wonkette Jr.

So, you know that painting by David Bugnon of Dead Guy Andrew Breitbart as a Teutonic Knight in Heaven, ready to take on commies, liberal scumbags, and innocent Department of Agriculture employees from beyond the grave? You know, the painting that one actual professional art critic called a “masterpiece of Outsider art, a veritable holocaust-tsunami of bad taste?” The painting that Patriot Depot is selling reproductions of for the bargain price of a mere $3999.95 for a limited-edition 36″ x 48″ giclee on canvas? The painting which The Patriot Update bravely calls, “The Painting Obama Fears?” Yeah, it’s not so much a painting as a Photoshop mashup of a stock photo of Andrew Breitbart and a character from the copyrighted computer game Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood, with a pretty sunset-and-clouds background that probably also came from some stock photo website — no doubt somebody will find that soon, too. (NOW WITH UPDATE BELOW!)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2012, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 12, 2012, 12:23:00 PM
(http://wonkette.com/474804/hideous-3999-95-painting-of-andrew-breitbart-is-actually-swiped-from-a-video-game)

Quote from: http://wonkette.com/474804/hideous-3999-95-painting-of-andrew-breitbart-is-actually-swiped-from-a-video-game
Hideous $3999.95 Painting of Andrew Breitbart Actually Swiped from Video Game
by Wonkette Jr.

So, you know that painting by David Bugnon of Dead Guy Andrew Breitbart as a Teutonic Knight in Heaven, ready to take on commies, liberal scumbags, and innocent Department of Agriculture employees from beyond the grave? You know, the painting that one actual professional art critic called a “masterpiece of Outsider art, a veritable holocaust-tsunami of bad taste?” The painting that Patriot Depot is selling reproductions of for the bargain price of a mere $3999.95 for a limited-edition 36″ x 48″ giclee on canvas? The painting which The Patriot Update bravely calls, “The Painting Obama Fears?” Yeah, it’s not so much a painting as a Photoshop mashup of a stock photo of Andrew Breitbart and a character from the copyrighted computer game Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood, with a pretty sunset-and-clouds background that probably also came from some stock photo website — no doubt somebody will find that soon, too. (NOW WITH UPDATE BELOW!)

:junpei
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 15, 2012, 12:56:34 AM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/rncs-dysfunctional-latino-site-posts-vote-on-obama----and-loses.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

:lol :lol :lol

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It’s been a rough day for the Republican National Committee’s Latino outreach website.

On Thursday afternoon, the RNC had to hastily take down the site’s banner, which featured a picture of Asian children, replacing it with an all-caps headline “HISPANIC LATINO STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS.”

But other features of the site aren’t working quite as planned, either. The main page features a straw poll asking visitors whether they’re disappointed with President Obama, a talking point Republicans have been pushing as part of their outreach effort. As of Thursday evening, however, Obama was winning the unscientific survey 55 percent to 45 percent — highly unusual on a partisan website.

In another broken feature, the site’s info page, in English “Who Are We?”, is left entirely blank.

If Obama wins, it will be because African-Americans turn out in large numbers and because of shit like this in regards to Latinos.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 15, 2012, 03:00:26 AM
Quote
In another broken feature, the site’s info page, in English “Who Are We?”, is left entirely blank.

Oh man, someone on Romneys team has been reading their Sartre!  This is probably a bid for the highly sought after philosophy major vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/232923-obama-makes-election-year-change-in-immigration-policy
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The Obama administration announced Friday it will stop deporting illegal immigrants who come to the country at a young age.

The politically charged decision comes as Obama faces a tough reelection fight against Republican Mitt Romney, with Hispanic voters in swing states seen as a key bloc.

The change in policy could allow as many as 800,000 immigrants who came to the United States illegally not only to remain in the country without fear of being deported, but to work legally, according to a senior administration official speaking to reporters Friday.

Obama is set to make a statement at 1:15 p.m. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced the new policy Friday morning.
Another cheers to Obama. Though I do have concerns about it being an executive order, but aren't surprised about going that route since modern process demands it. It's a good thing overall.

Not sure about it as a political move though. This is maybe the biggest long-standing issue with what were once called the Reagan Democrats. Bush couldn't enact immigration reforms with a Democratic Congress despite initial bipartisan agreement because of the uproar across cleavages.

Being a Friday announcement kinda makes note of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2012, 11:55:06 AM
It's also one of the few issues where grassroots sentiment seems to overwhelm special interest lobbying.  The backlash in 2007 was definitely from the ground up.

I think it's really shitty (if neither new nor uniquely American) the way so many people view immigrants as threats and parasites.  But waddyagonnadoaboutit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 12:08:19 PM
IIRC, that backlash was larger than even what TARP or PPACA got.

I actually consider that uprising to be a sort of probing of what would become the Tea Party. The GOP was basically on board, but non-establishment conservative blogs and groups helped fire up their troops against it.

And it helped Blue Dogs as they were able to be against that and stand with the unions.

I did one of my terminal papers on the 1924 immigration debates in Congress vs. the then immigration "debate" and it was funny but not surprising at how the arguments have never changed. Only back then you got the worst arguments right there on the floor of the House and Senate.

One of the issues I have with aspects of the libertarian family is the segment that argues basically "but THESE PEOPLE come from Socialist nations, and you want them here?!?!?" The notion that they might be trying to escape such a situation (or another like what the drug war has brought about) doesn't matter since they're brown.

Oddly, the Rand cult seems to lean quite a bit in that direction. And she came from one of the worst Socialist nations.

But nobody cares so I'll shut up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 15, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
This move kind of paints Romney in to a corner doesn't it?  I mean Obama is essentially adopting a watered-down DREAM act here.  What response does Romney put out that doesn't alienate the Latino base? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2012, 12:21:45 PM
I've met a lot of immigrants who were pretty pro-capitalism, which isn't surprising cause they chose to move here.  It's all identity politix anyways.  The GOP's problem winning over immigrants and minorities always has less to do with individual issues and more to do with people knowing when they're not wanted.

I wonder whether this will really hurt the Republican party in the long-run, or whether third-generation latinos with suburban American accents will be considered "white" and we'll just find some other group to blame everything on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on June 15, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
This move kind of paints Romney in to a corner doesn't it?  I mean Obama is essentially adopting a watered-down DREAM act here.  What response does Romney put out that doesn't alienate the Latino base?
The question is whether it gets more votes from Hispanics than it loses to blue-collar whites.

And in most every instance of polling I've seen, Hispanics who are Americans or are here legally are not all that favorable of illegal immigrants. They're often seen as "cheating" basically.
Quote from: Mandark on June 15, 2012, 12:21:45 PM
I've met a lot of immigrants who were pretty pro-capitalism, which isn't surprising cause they chose to move here.  It's all identity politix anyways.  The GOP's problem winning over immigrants and minorities always has less to do with individual issues and more to do with people knowing when they're not wanted.

I wonder whether this will really hurt the Republican party in the long-run, or whether third-generation latinos with suburban American accents will be considered "white" and we'll just find some other group to blame everything on.
Yeah, it is interesting on a theoretical level in regards to how immigrants are generally pro-America, pro-capitalism, etc. And then you have blacks who tend to be socially conservative, increasingly pro-school choice, etc. Yet Republicans struggle to make inroads with them.

There is a strong hold on the party from that class that Santorum/Huckabee represented. Quite religious and socially conservative, protectionist, AMERICA FIRST, etc. It's maybe the dominant cleavage of American politics and within a single party it can really throw its weight around. It may be the only bloc in American politics that is consistently engaged.

I think it was The Right Nation that documented the development of how this segment of the population has done its own "long march through the institutions" but more targeted thus giving it outsized political power.

Republicans aren't prone to the group splinter between factions that Democrats are, they align and have aligned into those three or four core ideological blocs for really 50 years now. I saw an interesting thought experiment, maybe from Kaus, about if the Democrats are actually the party "in trouble" because of a possible war between its factions. Specifically when the social welfare state comes up against the public sector unions over division of the spoils.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2012, 01:21:24 PM
Very curious to see how Romney responds to this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 01:25:12 PM
Drudge is claiming it's the same as Rubio's proposal.

Also, that Sheriff Joe is shockingly against it: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/video-sheriff-arpaio-reacts-to-illegal-immigration-change
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on June 15, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 10, 2012, 02:02:16 AM
http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-surrenders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773

I didn't realize creationism was so big in South Korea.

I'm not too surprised, seems like every single Protestant church here has a sign in hangul as well. And I'm not talking about just in Flushing, it's pretty much all over the island too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2012, 01:39:07 PM
In many ways it is Rubio's Dream Act, which will make the freak out even more hilarious. I would have preferred for Obama to announce support for Rubio's plan, thus causing it to go up in flames, then enact this DHS initiative (it's not technically an executive order).

And in a case of bad timing, apparently the GOP took down that Hispanic outreach site this morning lmao
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 15, 2012, 02:08:05 PM
The GOP will eventually make the move to bring more Hispanics in.  I doubt the Koch Brothers gives two shits about immigration and far more about deregulation and lower taxes.  The pressure to make the shift is going to have to be from religious leaders and economic conservatives.  There will be a time when they will have to set things straight with the anti-immigration set without it blowing up into a fiasco.  As much as I like the idea of the GOP going down the white resentment ship (who are dying off as we speak), the GOP is a major political party whose key tenets are more economic conservatism and blowing up brownskins in the Middle East.  They will make a serious stab at bringing these people into their party.

It won't be this year or 2016.  Probably when Texas is considered a swing state will there be a call to action.  Then it's time to bring this guy in:

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2010/40under40/george_p_bush.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2012, 02:22:28 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 15, 2012, 01:25:12 PM
Drudge is claiming it's the same as Rubio's proposal.

Also, that Sheriff Joe is shockingly against it: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/video-sheriff-arpaio-reacts-to-illegal-immigration-change

Good policy and destroys Rubio's political viability. Two birds one stone
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 15, 2012, 02:08:05 PM
It won't be this year or 2016.  Probably when Texas is considered a swing state will there be a call to action.  Then it's time to bring this guy in:

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2010/40under40/george_p_bush.jpg)

Ben Affleck?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 15, 2012, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: tiesto on June 15, 2012, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 10, 2012, 02:02:16 AM
http://www.nature.com/news/south-korea-surrenders-to-creationist-demands-1.10773

I didn't realize creationism was so big in South Korea.

I'm not too surprised, seems like every single Protestant church here has a sign in hangul as well. And I'm not talking about just in Flushing, it's pretty much all over the island too.

The current president is also Christian, so that's probably helping the movment in South Korea.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2012, 05:21:38 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2012, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 15, 2012, 02:08:05 PM
It won't be this year or 2016.  Probably when Texas is considered a swing state will there be a call to action.  Then it's time to bring this guy in:

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2010/40under40/george_p_bush.jpg)

Ben Affleck?

The Prince Who Was Promised, George Prescott Bush
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 17, 2012, 06:26:57 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/16/romney-leaves-note-for-reporters/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 17, 2012, 01:07:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UI3Zj.jpg)

While there is a ways to go, if you add up the Obama + Lean Obama + Toss ups, you get pretty much the exact same margins as 2008.

 :zzz :zzz :zzz election total
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
Virginia and Ohio should be lean Obama right now. But considering we're likely to get a full summer of bad jobs reports, the SC might shitcan health care in a week, and the Greek elections today could trigger a global recession....yea, Obama is far from a lock.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 17, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 17, 2012, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on June 17, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

Problem is that all the major factors deciding the election at this point are completely outside of his control. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2012, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on June 17, 2012, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on June 17, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

Problem is that all the major factors deciding the election at this point are completely outside of his control. 

There's still "pandering to rich people."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2012, 02:58:19 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on June 17, 2012, 01:24:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on June 17, 2012, 01:16:55 PM
Barry needs to get this shit down and hustle his ass.

Problem is that all the major factors deciding the election at this point are completely outside of his control.

Not all of them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_whitening).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 17, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
Welp, so much for Obamacare:

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Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg predicts that the Court would be sharply divided over a series of high profile cases due by the end of the month, including the case over the constitutionality of health care reform

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/ginsburg-predicts-sharp-disagreement-ahead-of-supreme-courts-high-profile-cases.php?ref=fpnewsfeed (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/ginsburg-predicts-sharp-disagreement-ahead-of-supreme-courts-high-profile-cases.php?ref=fpnewsfeed)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 17, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 17, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
Welp, so much for Obamacare:

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Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg predicts that the Court would be sharply divided over a series of high profile cases due by the end of the month, including the case over the constitutionality of health care reform

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/ginsburg-predicts-sharp-disagreement-ahead-of-supreme-courts-high-profile-cases.php?ref=fpnewsfeed (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/ginsburg-predicts-sharp-disagreement-ahead-of-supreme-courts-high-profile-cases.php?ref=fpnewsfeed)

I eagerly await the news that in the 21st Century, the United States Constitution is essentially a suicide pact.

 :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2012, 08:35:51 PM
I think they'll keep the law but throw out the mandate, which would basically kill the law anyway; insurance companies will go apeshit if they have to cover pre-existing conditions without the mandate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
And thus the silver bullet fired and single payer was born.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2012, 12:31:24 AM
I can't believe nobody is discussing Ron Paul's massive landslide victory in Iowa (http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/16/ron-paul-wins-iowa-long-after-mitt-romne):
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Dr. Paul won 10 of 13 delegates elected at today’s state convention in addition to having won 11 of 12 delegates elected at last night’s district conventions, for a weekend total of 21 of 25 contestable delegates, all unbound.
21 delegates for Paul, 1 for Romney, 6 uncommitted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2012, 12:34:56 AM
I'm glad we have a site called "Reason" to let us know about Ron Paul's sucessful presidential campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 18, 2012, 01:25:44 AM
So Greece will be okay hopefully.

Or at least the rest of the world will be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 18, 2012, 03:18:26 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 17, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
And thus the silver bullet fired and single payer was born.

Yeah right, about 40% of the country would be happy with public executions of all registered democrats, good luck with that shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2012, 07:59:51 AM
This is pretty awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw3zNNO5gX0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
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It looks like Australia will be dragged in to WW3 by the American Government. We all know that China has no problem with Australia apart from our military alliance with the United States. Australia is great friends with China and has been since the early 90's when Paul Keating was our Prime Minister.

If anyone knows anything about regional politics you would know that China does not have many good friends in our part of the world. Behind North Korea, we are their best buds in this area of the world. The phenomenal rise of China has been assisted by its friendship with Australia. China in turn has helped Australia rise to the number 1 ranked OECD nation. We have been great partners.

When the GFC was destroying western economies, Australia and China had little trouble. The GFC actually helped both of us. We both got a bump in our international standing. Australia did so well that our mediocre Treasurer, Wayne Swan was won an award, being named Euromoney Finance Minister of the Year China won the award for him.

We have a strong economy because of the resources boom and Chinas investment in our mining industry. Mining is the big thing at the moment that we offer China. but mining is not the only thing. Like I said, the chinese have been investing heavily in Australia since the early 90's and before. The Chinese have been moving here to live and becoming Australians. The Chinese have have been coming to study here in our Universities for years. The Chinese have been coming here to holiday for years. They love our beaches and nice weather. They love our cities. They love our women/men. They love our casinos. They love our culture. They have been with us as far back as the Gold Rush.

It is in Australias best interest for the Chinese economy to remain strong. The Chinese will continue to come here. Australia is the West in the East. We are everything. We are the most multicultural place on the planet. One but many. No other western nation is lucky enough to be in a geographic position to take advantage of the shift in power and capital from the West to the East like Australia is.

It has always been a disadvantage for Australia to be located in the East for so many reasons. Now it has become an advantage. The East is where all the power is now. The capital has shifted. The only thing left is for China to take control of the Reserve Currency. When China gets the Reserve Currency Status soon, the standard of living and wealth per capita will rise significantly for the Chinese and Australia as its neighbour with alot to offer, will benifit.

Like I said, it looks like the American Government will drag us in to war with China and get many of our people killed for no good reason other than helping them maintain their status as superpower. But I think China will defeat us easily. We are still located in the right part of the world evn if we are conquered. Western Australia wants to become part of asia already. Would it be so bad to be ruled by the Chinese Government? They have gotta be better than boot licking Gillard. Better than Tony Abbott. The major parties are puppets of the US Government. They are simply an extension of the US Government. China is doing a great job at running its country. No nation has risen like China. They are an economic miracle.

People like to use imagery of Mao Zedong or bring up the moochers of Tibet or the a couple other things when China is mentioned. I am not afraid of China. They have done a much better job than the United States has at running their country. China is the future. I think China is a little bit like Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back and Australia is Luke Skywalker. Darth want Luke to join him so they can rule the universe together. I wonder what would have happened if Luke had have taken him up on his offer. We know Darth wasnt such a bad dude deep down. I think that Anakin and Luke Skywalker could have ruled a pretty happy universe at the end of the day once they put The Emperor in his place. Maybe they could have reasoned with The Emperor and convinced him to stand down and it could have been resolved without any trouble.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 18, 2012, 06:15:10 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 18, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
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I think China is a little bit like Darth Vader in Empire Strikes Back and Australia is Luke Skywalker. Darth want Luke to join him so they can rule the universe together. I wonder what would have happened if Luke had have taken him up on his offer. We know Darth wasnt such a bad dude deep down. I think that Anakin and Luke Skywalker could have ruled a pretty happy universe at the end of the day once they put The Emperor in his place. Maybe they could have reasoned with The Emperor and convinced him to stand down and it could have been resolved without any trouble.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2012, 06:41:25 PM
So apparently, Robin Leach is no fan of Obama. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/06/i-guess-i-shouldnt-be-surprised-that.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 19, 2012, 01:09:38 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-19/obama-immigration-policy-favored-2-to-1-by-likely-voters.html

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President Barack Obama is winning the opening round in the battle over immigration, according to a Bloomberg poll released today, putting Republicans on the defensive with his decision to end the deportations of some illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children,

Sixty-four percent of likely voters surveyed after Obama’s June 15 announcement said they agreed with the policy, while 30 percent said they disagreed. Independents backed the decision by better than a two-to-one margin

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2012, 01:44:59 PM
Wouldn't read too much into a single poll on a newly announced initiative.  The response probably depends a lot on the phrasing of the question, and we haven't had time for the BS spin to mature yet.

I think it's a pretty solid decision that should be easy to defend publicly: it's relatively hard to hate on law-abiding students and soldiers.  But if the GOP decides it's worth pushing back on, I'm sure they'll eventually settle on some disingenuous line of attack that will get repeated ad nauseum, and you'd get at least ~40% opposed after that.

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Maybe pointing out that under-30 immigrant students are more likely to be unemployed and receiving some sort of government support, through public education or poverty relief programs?  You know, just a gentle reminder that those brown folks are basically parasites.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 19, 2012, 01:52:31 PM
Sounds like "unprecedented Presidential overreach" or something is the line they've settle on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 19, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2012, 01:44:59 PM
Wouldn't read too much into a single poll on a newly announced initiative.  The response probably depends a lot on the phrasing of the question, and we haven't had time for the BS spin to mature yet.

I think it's a pretty solid decision that should be easy to defend publicly: it's relatively hard to hate on law-abiding students and soldiers.  But if the GOP decides it's worth pushing back on, I'm sure they'll eventually settle on some disingenuous line of attack that will get repeated ad nauseum, and you'd get at least ~40% opposed after that.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maybe pointing out that under-30 immigrant students are more likely to be unemployed and receiving some sort of government support, through public education or poverty relief programs?  You know, just a gentle reminder that those brown folks are basically parasites.
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I have already heard the spoilered defense - that young American citizens are among those most impacted by unemployment and that this will increase competition for them.

Of course, it is also wrong to let them use their parents insurance because they should go get a jerb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
Germany Set To Allow Eurozone Bailout Fund To Buy Troubled Countries’ Debt
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/euro-crisis-merkel-debt.php?ref=fpb

thank you based Merkel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2012, 07:58:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wp2hX.jpg)

Check mate, libruls. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 19, 2012, 09:49:57 PM
"quiet, and go back to giving us free labor"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2012, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2012, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

Oh, god after I read the Admiral's post, I was JUST about to post this.

This has been happening a lot recently.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 20, 2012, 09:05:57 PM
It seems even the most principled, freedom loving libertarian is no match for the federal government infringing on his rights, and forcing him to take SS checks:

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/20/502846/paul-admits-social-security/


:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 04:22:52 AM
Multiple sites are saying the SC could reveal their Obamacare verdit sometime Thursday morning. Some of us may wake up with no health insurance  :uguu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2012, 06:04:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 04:22:52 AM
Multiple sites are saying the SC could reveal their Obamacare verdit sometime Thursday morning. Some of us may wake up with no health insurance  :uguu

Join the club. :smug


Wait...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2012, 10:29:44 AM
Weird...was supposed to be about a half hour ago. But nothing, AZ immigration thing neither.

They did issue this: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_UNION_FEES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-06-21-10-12-54

I was reading that whoever writes the opinion gets two weeks to respond to dissents. And dissents were due last Friday. Don't know if more time means Roberts or Kennedy writing the opinion.

EDIT: :lol literally as I posted it changed to saying not today, so next week.

And FOX beats FCC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
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The Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Fox and ABC in their fight with the FCC over indecency, saying the commission didn't give the networks fair notice that "fleeting expletives and momentary nudity" could be found indecent.
:tauntaun

Quote from: now confirmed from the AP
The Supreme Court has thrown out fines and sanctions against broadcasters who violated the Federal Communications Commission policy regulating curse words and nudity on broadcast television.

The justices declined on Thursday to issue a broad ruling on the constitutionality of the FCC indecency policy. Instead, the court concluded only that broadcasters could not have known in advance that obscenities uttered during awards show programs and a brief display of nudity on an episode of ABC's NYPD Blue could give rise to sanctions.

The justices said the FCC is free to revise its indecency policy.
:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2012, 11:10:34 AM
Bryson resigning too:
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Commerce Secretary John Bryson informed the department's employees Thursday that he has given the president a letter of resignation. "I have come to the conclusion that I need to step down to prevent distractions from this critical mission," Bryson said. Bryson had been on a medical leave of absence since June 11, following a seizure that resulted in his involvement in two car accidents.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 21, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2012, 10:40:50 PM
I'm pretty sure Madison never referred to a black man as sir

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
(http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benen561BC883-1C27-3990-9992-9A6372B086A4.jpg&width=600)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 21, 2012, 08:27:15 PM
Man, I read today that SuperPACs are outspending Obama 3-1, and between that and the Eurozone possibly collapsing I realized we are really only one bad October news cycle away from "President Romney." I feel physically ill. :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on June 21, 2012, 08:27:15 PM
Man, I read today that SuperPACs are outspending Obama 3-1, and between that and the Eurozone possibly collapsing I realized we are really only one bad October news cycle away from "President Romney." I feel physically ill. :-X

At least he'll make the trains run on time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2012, 09:01:42 PM
My gut feeling is that Obama will win with about the same margin as he beat McCain in the popular vote; electoral college will be slimmer.  Dems will probably BARELY hold onto the Senate and pick up 5-10 seats in the House.  In 2014 They'll try to impeach him for GWB (governing while black) or whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 21, 2012, 09:04:46 PM
Yeah, I still think that Obama will win (because: Romney). But I realized for the first time how razor-thin CLOSE we are to a Romney presidency. It's horrifying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on June 21, 2012, 10:10:16 PM
eh, same sinking feeling as palin last time, look how that turned out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
Eurozone, possible Obamacare repeal, Iran, economic stagnation, participation rate increase...Romney sucks but I don't see Obama prevailing. The money shouldn't matter too much IMO; Obama has a significant ground game advantage, and tv ads reach a saturation point eventually for both sides.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
For sure, all sorts of crazy/dumb shit could happen that could still tilt it the opposite direction, and the paranoid lunatic in me thinks we could have some sort of diebold/11th hour Iranian hostage crisis/greek debt bomb implosion that only SERIOUS MITT ROMNEY'S HAIR can handle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2012, 10:17:31 PM
PD's political spidey sense is awesome; I equate it to what Plouffe would say about Politico/Halperin in 2008:  "If Politico and Halperin say we're losing, we're winning."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 21, 2012, 10:20:27 PM
I couldn't care less these days.  There isn't shit I can do about anything here.  Flapping my hands about Obama isn't going to make people go to the polls and vote for him.

I still think Obama will win and will gather about as many electoral votes as he did in 2008, give or take a couple of small states (350-380).  The economy is going to be the big issue here and it will be on Romney to prove why he can do a better job than Obama, which is a taller order than what people think.  Although Romney will have an easier time because the 2012 job reports are going to be fucking terrible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 21, 2012, 10:17:31 PM
PD's political spidey sense is awesome; I equate it to what Plouffe would say about Politico/Halperin in 2008:  "If Politico and Halperin say we're losing, we're winning."

Meh. The map certainly benefits Obama - Romney basically has one path to 270, which is through Ohio. But the economy is cratering bro. Europe dodged a bullet last weekend but there will be more, Iran/Israel could fuck a lot of stuff up, etc etc etc. It's like trying to steer a ship through water filled with mines. Romney is probably the worst candidate since Dukakis but it won't matter if we average 50-80k jobs a month until November.

And don't forget Obamacare, which could get shitcanned on Monday. It's like a series of tragedies waiting to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2012, 09:11:49 AM
The debates will swing the tide. I'm becoming apathetic about the it all because the last thing I'm going to let happen is it making me a bitter old man like it has for some of the older members of my family.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 22, 2012, 09:11:49 AM
The debates will swing the tide.
Debates won't matter at all.

What debates does anyone remember? 1960, first TV. 1980, Reagan using his acting chops. 1992, because of Perot. If 2000, it was because of SNL's Gore LOCKBOX sketch and the resulting election disaster. What were the stories out of 2004? Bush's bulletproof vest and his secret timber mill? Kerry's cheating note cards? Those had to have swung the race.

If you don't drop an epic accidental bomb of a gaffe, which is increasingly unlikely due to the controlled nature and shortened response times (I mean Palin vs. Biden, what came out of that? We have the ground set for an epic clusterfuck of a debate where Biden declares an Obama administration will invade Japan with Amtrak while Palin says she'll nuke the gays she can see in Russia, and yet nothing happened and nobody gave a shit) then all you're doing is showing that you're competent to do the role of what most people see the President as. Someone who talks to them on the TV and says they're doing shit to help the middle class and kill terrorists. And then they ascribe their personal situation to our god-king.

Neither Obama nor Romney will be "taking the gloves off" and tearing the others subtle difference in moronic positions apart. They'll be climbing over each other to claim the mantle as the best paranoid centrist path to collapse.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2012, 12:08:27 AM
Meh. The map certainly benefits Obama - Romney basically has one path to 270, which is through Ohio.
Romney's best chance scenario is like 280-290 electoral votes. I currently can't see how he can pull this off. That said. The shocking thing are these recent Michigan polls, they can't be right at all. Rasmussen of all people is the only one showing what you'd think is the natural Obama lead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
Debates matter, just not as much as some believe. The final 04 debate is credited with tightening the race based off Kerry's strong performance. In 08 Obama destroyed McCain three times, of course it had some impact

I think this year's debates will matter because it'll be such a clear contrast of visions, styles, and personalities. It'll also be the first time Romney's various bullshit responses are challenged. He's a good debater, as is Obama. It shouldn't be hard to slam Obama's economic record in his face, and on the other hand Romney will have to demonstrate how he differs from Bush. Should be interesting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2012, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
Debates matter, just not as much as some believe. The final 04 debate is credited with tightening the race based off Kerry's strong performance.

You can't make an assertion then follow it with something in the passive voice like that, mang.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 23, 2012, 01:55:34 PM
Is anyone else getting harrassed constantly by the Obama campaign and the Democrats?  I'm receiving about four calls a day from these fucks.  Almost makes me want to be a Romney supporter...

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...just kidding.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2012, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
In 08 Obama destroyed McCain three times, of course it had some impact
I'd argue it had very little.

Obama was already up 3-7 points in almost every poll around the first two debates. McCain's only lead at any point was back in September around the convention. The rushing back in a panic to demand TARP and wanting to delay the debates vaporized this, especially regarding the conservative support he bought with Palin, far more than the debates did any actual damage. He was trending down in an election he never had a shot at winning. The debates were just piling dirt on the corpse.
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I think this year's debates will matter because it'll be such a clear contrast of visions, styles, and personalities
:lol
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He's a good debater
By "debater" you mean 90 second answer press conferencer right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 23, 2012, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
Debates matter, just not as much as some believe. The final 04 debate is credited with tightening the race based off Kerry's strong performance.

You can't make an assertion then follow it with something in the passive voice like that, mang.

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Kerry scored big gains, as 42 percent of respondents said they had a more favorable opinion of him after the debate. Bush only increased with 27 percent of those polled.

When asked who would handle domestic issues better, Kerry scored higher in health care (55-41). There was no clear leader on the economy (Kerry 51, Bush 46), education (Kerry 48, Bush 47) or taxes (Bush 50, Kerry 47).

Kerry's biggest win came on the question of who expressed himself better, where 61 percent of respondents chose him over Bush (29 percent).

The president was viewed as more likeable, but Kerry appeared to respondents as having the better understanding of issues (49-37).
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-10-14/politics/snap.poll_1_kerry-and-bush-instant-polls-final-debate?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-picks-john-kerry-to-play-romney-in-mock-debate-rehearsals/2012/06/18/gJQABEctlV_story.html

The race tightened in the final days of the election and ultimately Kerry came damn close to winning (Ohio).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2012, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark
But in the end Bush just wanted it more

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2012, 06:35:37 PM
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2996/comeoni.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 23, 2012, 06:48:37 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 24, 2012, 12:50:43 AM
the economic debate between the two is going to be like two junior athletes aiming for varsity.  the two are so meh about the subject, but obama has a much better record.  Romney is going to get shat on methinks because obama's ads against him have been really effective in ohio
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 24, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then it turns out they were on your side all along
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 24, 2012, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on June 24, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then it turns out they were on your side all along

Then they come for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 24, 2012, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on June 24, 2012, 12:50:43 AM
the economic debate between the two is going to be like two junior athletes aiming for varsity.  the two are so meh about the subject, but obama has a much better record.  Romney is going to get shat on methinks because obama's ads against him have been really effective in ohio

Yep which is probably why I will vote for Jill Stein.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 24, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 24, 2012, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on June 24, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then it turns out they were on your side all along

Then they come for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Stop making fun of me, I'm trying to become a pundit ok? I have to learn to speak and think entirely in self-serious clichés.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 24, 2012, 08:53:38 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on June 24, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on June 24, 2012, 07:32:44 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on June 24, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then it turns out they were on your side all along

Then they come for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Stop making fun of me, I'm trying to become a pundit ok? I have to learn to speak and think entirely in self-serious clichés.

Just use the Bill O'Reilly/Chris Matthews style of punditry: the louder you get, the more factual you are
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2012, 07:18:01 AM
Well, seems Curt Schilling's officially shitbaked. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/06/bootstrapping-tea-bagger-style.html) Noteworthy part, though:

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Schilling also defending himself against charges of hypocrisy from some commentators who say Schilling's outspoken criticism of government handouts and programs goes against his acceptance of hefty state funding to support his game studio. "I’m not sure where my stance and opinion in that we need a smaller government—I’m not sure how that correlates to this," he said. "The program was there for local businesses to use. ... That money was literally coming out of the budget into our company, going right back into the local economy."

What a tool. :lol

Also, too:

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When Schilling absurdly insisted that he wasn't looking for taxpayer handouts, he shouldn't have been surprised when those hands turned into fists.

BOOM!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2012, 09:06:02 AM
So, today's the day the SC is probably going to (arbitrarily and against about 40-50 years of precedent) find the individual mandate unconstitutional.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
If only big government hadn't forced that $75 million loan on him, things might have turned out differently.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2012, 10:38:46 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 25, 2012, 09:06:02 AM
So, today's the day the SC is probably going to (arbitrarily and against about 40-50 years of precedent) find the individual mandate unconstitutional.

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u mad? :smug
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(http://i.imgur.com/EbsQs.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2012, 10:56:11 AM
The SC just overturned a lot of the Arizona immigration law, while upholding the "papers please" policy

The health care ruling will be Thursday. Interestingly according to SCOTOS Blog, the opinion authorship is being written by Roberts, with Kennedy apparently. Could mean a 6-3 ruling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
If that's the case it will be either a 6-3 upholding or a 5-4 overturning; there's no way Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan are voting it down.  My money is still on 5-4 overturning because at this point I really just view the "conservative" justices as another wing of the RNC/Fox/Koch Ratfucker Inc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2012, 03:13:30 PM
I'd be shocked by a complete over turn. I think they'll shit can the mandate, causing health insurance companies to go apeshit

But if Roberts and Kennedy are on the same side, I could see it being upheld easily. Roberts would have to dismiss 75 years of law to overturn the mandate...

On the other hand, this is the culmination of what, 30 years of stacking the court with conservative activists? Shitcanning Obamacare would be a crown achievement for that movement. Hell, I read some of Scalia's dissent on the AZ ruling and he was raging against Obama's recent policy reversal on immigration. Which had nothing to do with the AZ case
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 25, 2012, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
If only big government hadn't forced that $75 million loan on him, things might have turned out differently.  :'(

"If the government was going to oppress me by offering tens of millions of dollars to fund my studio, the least they could have done was to continue with the oppression until the game was finished!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 25, 2012, 05:22:07 PM
That's the second superPAC ad that builds Obama up to seem legitimately cool and then tries to make being cool a negative.  I just don't get the strategy at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2012, 05:27:44 PM
Because this TOTALLY worked in 2008,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXYsw_ZDXg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 05:37:16 PM
Quote from: Green Man on June 25, 2012, 04:58:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqxl9qiFonc

Why is this REAL?

Good thing we've got someone humble and personable like Romney to take Obama's place!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on June 25, 2012, 05:40:01 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 05:37:16 PM
Good thing we've got someone humble and personable like Romney to take Obama's place!
(http://i.minus.com/i7JagbG9t8O3H.gif)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2012, 12:17:52 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2012, 05:37:16 PM
Good thing we've got someone humble and personable like Romney to take Obama's place!
Uhhh, even better...Gary Johnson.

...

Here's a recent official Romney ad apparently:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOvFGWT-lZ8
I have to admit I like the "movie trailer"-ish ones that are coming out of the GOP this cycle. Plus there was Perry's, uh excitement, and whatever Cain was doing. But in any regard they're certainly more INTERESTING than the standard political ad. Not like that shit McCain was making with the weird ditty.

Sadly, Gary's are even worse than that...and outright horrible and disgusting...but I would help for a fee! Even though I can't vote for him. Maybe even free...and oh god why did I let there be any hope Gary why
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
Oh, benji.  America elected a black guy president before a libertarian!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2012, 12:45:07 PM
But but but what about a black libertarian Governor of Michigan?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Gcreswell.jpg/516px-Gcreswell.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 26, 2012, 03:51:14 PM
they're targeting people's resentment and envy over other people being cooler than them, I guess - wait, isn't that what Ayn Rand warned us about?  >:(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2012, 04:15:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgOWsioVd0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 27, 2012, 08:02:07 AM
That was nauseating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 27, 2012, 03:07:37 PM
If you look under 'Manufactured Outrage' in the dictionary it used Fast and Furious as an example.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fart on June 27, 2012, 03:11:12 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lls14bfhaN1qc8f5wo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2012, 03:59:38 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on June 27, 2012, 03:07:37 PM
If you look under 'Manufactured Outrage' in the dictionary it used Fast and Furious as an example.

Have you read the article on Fortune that came out today? It's fairly enlightening, to say the least:

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Irony abounds when it comes to the Fast and Furious scandal. But the ultimate irony is this: Republicans who support the National Rifle Association and its attempts to weaken gun laws are lambasting ATF agents for not seizing enough weapons—ones that, in this case, prosecutors deemed to be legal.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/?iid=GM

Pretty much says it all.

Edit: That article really underscores what a total mess this whole situation is. The ATF is absolutely hobbled in what they can do about gun smuggling in legal terms by conservatives and the NRA, and in financial terms by minuscule budgets. Even so, they dig and dig and find every last shred of evidence they can to stop these "straw purchasers." They keep pushing the evidence to public prosecutors, who turn their noses up at the evidence. All the while more and more guns pour across the borders. Then somebody gets killed by one of those guns. Now its suddenly all on the ATF, they should have been out there catching the bad guys and stopping this gun smuggling. No, it's even worse than that, they were actually HELPING the smugglers get guns into Mexico. What an absolute joke, somebody needs to have this whole campaign blow up right in their face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 27, 2012, 04:24:48 PM
I did read it. I think Obama used his executive privilege as a big FUCK YOU to Issa and the GOP without actually having something to hide. Let them stew and create tinfoil hat conspiracy theories to help faux news sell ads..
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2012, 05:40:07 PM
Now Issa is saying he has no evidence Holder knew about the program lol

This stuff started under Bush. They act like this was some master stroke to ban the second amendment or some shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 27, 2012, 05:51:55 PM
This is an election year.  The stupidity gets cranked up to 11 every election and this one certainly isn't going to be any different.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Heath care ruling tomorrow around 10AM est.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fraction on June 27, 2012, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on June 27, 2012, 05:51:55 PM
This is an election year.  The stupidity gets cranked up to 11 every election and this one certainly isn't going to be any different.

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More Americans are confident in President Obama’s ability to handle an alien invasion than in Mitt Romney’s, according to a new poll released Wednesday.

In a survey conducted for the National Geographic Channel, 65 percent said they’d pick Obama to deal with an invading alien force over Romney. Obama also took the confidence vote among 68 percent of women surveyed, likely a key voting bloc in this scenario as well as in the November election.

In addition, about 79 percent of those surveyed think the government has kept information about aliens and UFOs a secret from the public. Despite that widespread suspicion, only 36 percent actually think UFOs exist, 17 percent don't, and 48 percent aren't sure.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/235101-poll-americans-pick-obama-over-romney-to-handle-an-alien-invasion
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2012, 05:48:53 AM
Nat Geo survey? Meh, clearly didn't have a large enough sample of people from Real America.

Also, too:

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/the-fix/StandingArt/Screen%20shot%202012-04-18%20at%2010.10.48%20AM.png?uuid=gJUmlolhEeGclqsSFvCTew)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 10:11:55 AM
Mandate upheld.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2012, 10:14:56 AM
I can already hear the gnashing of teeth and the flow of tears.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2012, 10:23:35 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 10:11:55 AM
Mandate upheld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_wdRy7x4Sc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 28, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Fox apparently originally reported it as having been struck down.
CNN as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 10:31:11 AM
Quote from: Eric P on June 28, 2012, 10:29:28 AM
Fox apparently originally reported it as having been struck down.
CNN as well.
It was struck down under the Commerce Clause and others, it was later in the opinion that Roberts upheld it as a tax. Fox had someone reading directly from the opinion on the air so they didn't get to the tax part until like a minute later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2012, 10:34:15 AM
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In a dramatic victory for President Barack Obama, the Supreme Court upheld the 2010 health care law Thursday, preserving Obama’s landmark legislative achievement.

The majority opinion was written by Chief Justice John Roberts, who held that the law was a valid exercise of Congress’s power to tax.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12457822-supreme-court-upholds-health-care-law?lite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Yeah I got an email from CNN saying that the mandate had been struck down and I was honestly surprised.  I didn't actually expect it to be struck down.  Then a minute later they sent a correction.  w00t
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 10:36:32 AM
Holy fuck, Kennedy opens the dissent by saying the entire law should be invalidated. Roberts saved the day

Too bad I have to leave soon. The tears, they will be epic

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fart on June 28, 2012, 10:39:33 AM
majority opinion was that the ACA isn't justified by the commerce clause, but it doesn't matter because they don't lock you up and throw away the key if you dissent, you just have to give the government a fiver, and that's all good.

junior legal analysts from liberty college at fox probably just got to the first part and had the lede written while jizzing themselves before they read the rest and went SHITTTTTTTTtttttttt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on June 28, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
Haven't seen the Republicans on my fb feed crying about this yet... good to hear that this wasn't axed though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 10:50:21 AM
http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606218001
holy fuck @ the rants. They have gone insane
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2012, 11:05:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 10:50:21 AM
http://video.foxnews.com/video-live-streaming.html?video_id=1155606218001
holy fuck @ the rants. They have gone insane

The crowd started cheering when Bachman said the mandate had been upheld. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 28, 2012, 11:17:32 AM
Quote from: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Yeah I got an email from CNN saying that the mandate had been struck down and I was honestly surprised.

 :-\

Quote from: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
Then a minute later they sent a correction.  w00t

 :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzq9w9rHhzk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2012, 11:20:57 AM
Man, that lady on the Fox live stream now is hysterical. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 11:24:15 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/ycantibu/colbert_dance.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 28, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
(http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017742cd0450970d-800wi)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg644/scaled.php?tn=0&server=644&filename=7ozrf.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 11:49:44 AM
Commerce clause doesn't apply but mandate is upheld anyway?

Kennedy votes to overturn but Roberts votes to uphold?

:dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 12:03:56 PM
I love how they shuffled Ruth Cryptkeeper Ginsberg all the way to the side
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
If I'm not mistaken I believe there's an official order to their seating placement in those photos. Inside-outside by order of their appointment. With Chief Justice always in the middle obviously.

EDIT: From Wiki:
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Many of the internal operations of the Court are organized by the seniority of the justices; the Chief Justice is considered the most senior member of the Court, regardless of the length of his or her service. The Associate Justices are then ranked by the length of their service.

During Court sessions, the justices sit according to seniority, with the Chief Justice in the center, and the Associate Justices on alternating sides, with the most senior Associate Justice on the Chief Justice's immediate right, and the most junior Associate Justice seated on the left farthest away from the Chief Justice. Therefore, the current court sits as follows from left to right when looking at the bench from the perspective of a lawyer arguing before the Court: Sotomayor, Breyer, Thomas, Scalia (most senior Associate Justice), Roberts (Chief Justice), Kennedy, Ginsburg, Alito, and Kagan. In the official yearly Court photograph, justices are arranged similarly, with the five most senior members sitting in the front row in the same order as they would sit during Court sessions (Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, Kennedy, Ginsburg), and the four most junior justices standing behind them, again in the same order as they would sit during Court sessions (Sotomayor, Breyer, Alito, Kagan).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 12:12:00 PM
The only thing that would have made this better is if Thomas was the 5th vote instead of Roberts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 28, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
http://jhameia.tumblr.com/post/26076069185/anedumacation-ladyfabulous
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6c3o0YJf91qjvxfho2_r1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 12:25:31 PM
Welp, looks like I need to bait someone on Facebook by putting something like that.  Too good to pass up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 28, 2012, 12:28:11 PM
Quote from: Eric P on June 28, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
http://jhameia.tumblr.com/post/26076069185/anedumacation-ladyfabulous
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6c3o0YJf91qjvxfho2_r1_500.jpg)

They're being ironic, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 28, 2012, 12:31:07 PM
Quote from: rand paul
Just because a couple people on the Supreme Court declare something to be ‘constitutional’ does not make it so

 ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
Hay guyz what's going on in he-

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SUCK IT DOWN BITCHES SUCK. IT. DOWN.

That Rand Paul quote is priceless, by the way.

Also, Obama could have another Justice to appoint any day now because obviously Kennedy is in the latter stages of dementia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
http://twitter.com/spencerhawes00/

Token conservative white NBA player bringing the heat on Twitter.

Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Just drove by a bald eagle who appeared to be crying. Coincidence @barackobama?


57m Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Didn't realize twitter was so overwhelmingly liberal! My lecture at camp turned from passing to politics today. ‪#swayingtheyoungminds‬

1h Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
‪#cantwait‬ for November!

1h Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
O weird the market is headed down this morning. Who could have foreseen that now that ‪#America‬ is ‪#socialist‬. ‪#taxtatxtax‬ ‪#spendspendspend‬

1h Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Ronald Reagan is spinning in his grave. We might as well be Russia in 1983. ‪#americancommunists‬



Wonder why he picked 1983.  At that point the USSR was led by... Yuri Andropov (yes, I had to look that up).  Why not during Stalin's reign?  Or even Brezhnev?  He probably just picked a random date, but he maybe thinks of the USSR existing solely as Reagan's nemesis.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 28, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Just drove by a bald eagle who appeared to be crying. Coincidence @barackobama?

Holy shit :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Speaking of crazy conservatives, I had a huge surprise when I went to Philadelphia for my sister's graduation.  They had a guest speaker who was talking about the future problems of the world and resources.  And then he started talking about women's rights and at the peak of his speech he started shouting that women should be allowed to have contraceptives and abortions without laws restricting them and the crowd cheered.  It felt so weird because I completely agree but for once in my life my opinion was the majority.  I heard no boo's and saw no angry faces.  Then I remembered, "This isn't Texas".  This fuckin' state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 01:08:00 PM
"free healthcare"

good lawd the ignorance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 01:08:42 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on June 28, 2012, 01:02:00 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Just drove by a bald eagle who appeared to be crying. Coincidence @barackobama?

Holy shit :rofl

In fairness I stole this from PD's post in the NBA thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on June 28, 2012, 01:13:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
http://twitter.com/spencerhawes00/
Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Just drove by a bald eagle who appeared to be crying. Coincidence @barackobama?

Reminds me of a picture my dad used to hang in his office.

(http://static.flickr.com/112/300699549_231a62c069_o.jpg)

It always bugged the hell out of me, because tears don't form on that side of the eye. The tear ducts are located on the corner of the eye closer to the nose. (also I'm pretty sure eagles don't cry, but that's besides the point.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Speaking of crazy conservatives, I had a huge surprise when I went to Philadelphia for my sister's graduation.  They had a guest speaker who was talking about the future problems of the world and resources.  And then he started talking about women's rights and at the peak of his speech he started shouting that women should be allowed to have contraceptives and abortions without laws restricting them and the crowd cheered.  It felt so weird because I completely agree but for once in my life my opinion was the majority.  I heard no boo's and saw no angry faces.  Then I remembered, "This isn't Texas".  This fuckin' state.

My cousin got her masters in public policy last month.  The graduation ceremony was of course optimistic and old school liberal (dedication to public service and stuff), since her class was basically the new generation of aspiring Leslie Knopes.

The commencement speaker was Paul Volcker, who talked about having to fight through the "miasma of money" to get things done, and how they'd have to look at not just the big policy questions but how to get government functioning well at the roots.  When my dad saw that Volcker was going to be there he completely geeked out.  Only way my brother would have been as excited would be if Batman were speaking.


PS Paul Volcker is tall as shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Speaking of crazy conservatives, I had a huge surprise when I went to Philadelphia for my sister's graduation.  They had a guest speaker who was talking about the future problems of the world and resources.  And then he started talking about women's rights and at the peak of his speech he started shouting that women should be allowed to have contraceptives and abortions without laws restricting them and the crowd cheered.  It felt so weird because I completely agree but for once in my life my opinion was the majority.  I heard no boo's and saw no angry faces.  Then I remembered, "This isn't Texas".  This fuckin' state.

My cousin got her masters in public policy last month.  The graduation ceremony was of course optimistic and old school liberal (dedication to public service and stuff), since her class was basically the new generation of aspiring Leslie Knopes.

The commencement speaker was Paul Volcker, who talked about having to fight through the "miasma of money" to get things done, and how they'd have to look at not just the big policy questions but how to get government functioning well at the roots.  When my dad saw that Volcker was going to be there he completely geeked out.  Only way my brother would have been as excited would be if Batman were speaking.


PS Paul Volcker is tall as shit.
That's awesome.  I don't know if a speaker like Volcker would ever make it in Texas despite his connections to the Reagan administration.  Being a Democrat is enough to get him some boos probably.

I had to look up the name of the speaker at my sister's graduation.  It was Paul Ehrlich.  I had never heard of him but he was pretty awesome.  Having a bit more of a public figure like Volcker would be awesome though.  I haven't been to many graduations though so I don't know what's typical.  Hearing someone speak so liberally in public just shocked me.  I've never heard anything like that in Texas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2012, 01:39:50 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39326606&postcount=1169

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If you don't pay Obama's Homo Islam Tax, you go in front of a Death Panel and you are killed by liberal drug dealers.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on June 28, 2012, 01:44:54 PM
My graduation speaker was Schumer giving the same canned speech he does at every state/community college here. Was supposed to have John Walsh (the host of America's Most Wanted, and one of the more famous UB grads) but he couldn't make it :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2012, 02:39:37 PM
Holy shit. I was just sifting through the news, and I JUST found out that it was 5-4 with Roberts (and NOT Kennedy) being the only one disagreeing. What the fucking WHAT.

Unless I'm mistaken, the dude NEVER sided with the liberals with at least one of his buddies doing the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2012, 02:50:14 PM
I think the only other instance might have been earlier this week for the AZ immigration law thing, or was that 6-3 with Kennedy also joining the non-wingnut side of the case?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 28, 2012, 02:55:54 PM
The AZ thing was 6-3, I believe. With Kennedy joining Roberts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
A friend of mine is saying he's happy more people are going to be able to get health insurance, but he says nobody will be able to get quality health CARE now.  I'm confused at how's he's arriving at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2012, 03:00:14 PM
https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/218355894356951040

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@DragonflyJonez

nicca you said you could see Russia from your backyard. RT @SarahPalinUSA: Obama lied to the American people. Again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2012, 03:00:33 PM
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/06/28/deep-thought-29/

It's funny because it's true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
It's so obvious now, Obama should have came out against gay marriage. IT'S A SWITCHEROO!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 28, 2012, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Speaking of crazy conservatives, I had a huge surprise when I went to Philadelphia for my sister's graduation.  They had a guest speaker who was talking about the future problems of the world and resources.  And then he started talking about women's rights and at the peak of his speech he started shouting that women should be allowed to have contraceptives and abortions without laws restricting them and the crowd cheered.  It felt so weird because I completely agree but for once in my life my opinion was the majority.  I heard no boo's and saw no angry faces.  Then I remembered, "This isn't Texas".  This fuckin' state.

Move to Washington.

Also, PD! Thanks for replying to my conservative buddies on Facebook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2012, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on June 28, 2012, 06:34:40 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on June 28, 2012, 01:07:57 PM
Speaking of crazy conservatives, I had a huge surprise when I went to Philadelphia for my sister's graduation.  They had a guest speaker who was talking about the future problems of the world and resources.  And then he started talking about women's rights and at the peak of his speech he started shouting that women should be allowed to have contraceptives and abortions without laws restricting them and the crowd cheered.  It felt so weird because I completely agree but for once in my life my opinion was the majority.  I heard no boo's and saw no angry faces.  Then I remembered, "This isn't Texas".  This fuckin' state.

Move to Washington.

Also, PD! Thanks for replying to my conservative buddies on Facebook.

Can you share the convo?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 28, 2012, 09:05:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/p6khl.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2012, 11:29:12 PM
:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
Well, somebody's not getting a Christmas card this year or a ride on Ann Romney's Olympic show pony.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 09:10:37 PM
Drudge is heavily pushing the angle that Roberts may be medically unfit to serve
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/health/01seizure.html?_r=1
2007. Yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 28, 2012, 09:13:05 PM
jesus fucking christ  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2012, 09:22:44 PM
It makes sense. He'd have to be crazy to allow Obama to enact the largest tax increase in the history of the world.  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6d3JBLiAE
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 09:10:37 PM
Drudge is heavily pushing the angle that Roberts may be medically unfit to serve
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/he...zure.html?_r=1

2007. Yup

Did you just copy the abbreviated text for the link, including the ellipsis?  smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2012, 09:10:37 PM
Drudge is heavily pushing the angle that Roberts may be medically unfit to serve
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/he...zure.html?_r=1

2007. Yup

Did you just copy the abbreviated text for the link, including the ellipsis?  smh

I copy/pasted it from my gaf post  :'(

(fixed it)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2012, 03:53:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XsiiGqgjjs

edit:

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Gosh, I haven’t seen conservatives this mad at the Supreme Court since Brown v. Board of Education.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on June 29, 2012, 08:36:16 AM
Can someone explain this to me?  ???
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/295495_438581319506315_970145992_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 29, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
I'm not really sure wtf that's on about, because at this point we pretty much already HAVE THAT in terms of insurance companies.  In most states you have like 2 or 3 feasible options if you want to buy your own insurance, ie aren't getting it through your employer.  And that's a feature, not a bug.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 29, 2012, 10:50:00 AM
It's probably better to just not take any image meme posted by your friends on Facebook too seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 29, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on June 29, 2012, 10:50:00 AM
It's probably better to just not take any image meme posted by your friends on Facebook too seriously.

tiesto also has a bunch of loony tunes ZOMG RON PAUL libertopian friends so yeah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 29, 2012, 10:50:55 AM
But how will the Mom & Pop insurance companies stay in business?  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 29, 2012, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 29, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
I'm not really sure wtf that's on about, because at this point we pretty much already HAVE THAT in terms of insurance companies.  In most states you have like 2 or 3 feasible options if you want to buy your own insurance, ie aren't getting it through your employer.  And that's a feature, not a bug.

Especially funny since the right's only actual idea (apart from TORTREFORMZ) is to deregulate and sell insurance across state lines, leading to just this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 29, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
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SPECULATION: THIS IS MERELY A GAMING SCENARIO: IF OBAMA THREATENED TO KILL CHELSEA, THEN MIGHT HE THREATEN A JUSTICE OF THE SCOTUS TO SAVE OBAMACARE?

BETTINA VIVIANO CLAIMS THAT IN 2008 OBAMA CRONIES THREATENED TO KILL CHELSEA TO GET THE CLINTONS TO BACK DOWN FROM USING THE BIRTHER ALLEGATIONS AGAINST OBAMA.

IF THIS IS TRUE - REPEAT IF, THEN IT IS EQUALLY POSSIBLE THAT THESE SAME CRONIES MIGHT THREATEN TO KILL ONE OF CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS' CHILDREN IN ORDER TO GET HIM TO VOTE FOR OBAMACARE.

Chicago Politics
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 29, 2012, 11:38:12 AM
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IF THIS IS TRUE - REPEAT IF

measured discourse :tophat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 29, 2012, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: tiesto on June 29, 2012, 08:36:16 AM
Can someone explain this to me?  ???
The government used to let farmers borrow money against their crops. When Reagan was elected, he  stopped the program. Thousands of farmers lost their land and Big Agra was formed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 29, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555082_353161171419035_1615996865_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 29, 2012, 01:12:53 PM
They comin to git you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on June 29, 2012, 01:18:37 PM
(https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523508_10150897091656884_1505626341_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on June 29, 2012, 01:47:46 PM
I was too lazy to go back to find that, but the same person who posted my comic posted yours too, Robo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 29, 2012, 01:52:42 PM
what the fuck  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 29, 2012, 05:36:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
http://twitter.com/spencerhawes00/

Token conservative white NBA player bringing the heat on Twitter.1h Spencer Hawes ‏@spencerhawes00
Ronald Reagan is spinning in his grave. We might as well be Russia in 1983. ‪#americancommunists‬

Wonder why he picked 1983.  At that point the USSR was led by... Yuri Andropov (yes, I had to look that up).  Why not during Stalin's reign?  Or even Brezhnev?  He probably just picked a random date, but he maybe thinks of the USSR existing solely as Reagan's nemesis.

It's in the specific context of the Reagan spinning in his grave scenario. It's not that he necessarily thinks of the USSR solely as Reagan's nemesis, but he surmises that the USSR of that period would loom larger in Reagan's posthumous memory than the USSR of other periods since it entered more into Reagan's personal experience.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
Anyone have any insight into whether the transportation bill passed today is good or not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 30, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Seems Jaydubya's not too thrilled about the ruling:

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Die in a fire, John Roberts. But at least have the decency to wait until January to die in a fire.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 30, 2012, 12:30:44 AM
wha....WHAT?

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2012, 12:37:16 AM
Apparently he thinks Romney is going to be in a position to appoint Roberts' replacement in January.  How quaint. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2012, 12:38:16 AM
Libertarians:  my notion of how things ought to be is more important than your ability to keep living if you get diagnosed with something shitty and have a lower income, YOU FUCKING PARASITE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fart on June 30, 2012, 03:24:06 AM
THE STATES USED TO HAVE CONTROL OVER CONSTITUTIONALITY BUT BUT BUT LIBERTY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 30, 2012, 05:17:30 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 30, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Seems Jaydubya's not too thrilled about the ruling:

Quote
Die in a fire, John Roberts. But at least have the decency to wait until January to die in a fire.

All life is precious unless its spent protecting tax absorbing adults, in that case fuck them and the W2 they rode in on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2012, 09:46:40 AM
Let's be fair here, I'm sure JD isn't in favor of having his PRECIOUS WEALTH redistributed to children either.  If you're a poor child and need/want health care, JD is in favor of removing those antiquated child labor laws and allowing you to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 30, 2012, 10:03:52 AM
The key belief of internet libertarians are that they won't be the factory sweepers making five cents an hour.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 30, 2012, 10:43:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HutKAWtWXog
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 30, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
nobody has the right to life and health except little unborn protobabies!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2012, 11:06:32 AM
Did you tear up your John Roberts poster after you heard the ruling, J-Dub?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 30, 2012, 11:11:55 AM
will you still be celebrating the 4th of July now that American liberty is dead?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 30, 2012, 12:38:18 PM
This page is amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 30, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on June 30, 2012, 10:40:39 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on June 30, 2012, 12:16:05 AM
Seems Jaydubya's not too thrilled about the ruling:

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Die in a fire, John Roberts. But at least have the decency to wait until January to die in a fire.

Hey douchebag, the outside link thread is somewhere else.


But please don't link to that wretched site.

But..there wasn't any link.  ???

In any case, u mad? Maybe you can friend this guy on facebook:

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    Former Town Councilor Mike Malzone, the founder of the Merrimack Tea Party, said Thursday in a Facebook post reacting to the Supreme Court ruling on health care, “I hope the (5 supremes) get colon cancer.”

    A day after posting the message, Malzone said he stands by what he said. He clarified that he doesn’t want anyone to die, and the cancer reference was more to make a point that he wants them to feel the pain being inflicted on Americans being overburdened by taxes.

    “I didn’t wish for anyone to die, but I said I do wish for them to feel our pain,” he said. “No one cares about me, they all make their promises and then go do what they goddamn feel.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/30/509256/local-tea-party-leader-i-hope-the-supreme-court-justices-get-colon-cancer/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 30, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
Quote
“I didn’t wish for anyone to die, but I said I do wish for them to feel our pain,” he said. “No one cares about me, they all make their promises and then go do what they goddamn feel.”

I read that in the "You're tearing me apart Lisa!" guy's voice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2012, 10:30:58 PM
I've been buying private health insurance for my family for over a decade. Guess I was a socialist before it was cool. :hipster

Free market socialist that is. :pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2012, 10:39:19 PM
I think we're missing the lead on this Tea Party guy's story.

Justice Ginsburg had colon cancer.

In 1999.

 :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 30, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
Tea Party dude should know that taxes give you pancreatic cancer (and kill Jobs), not colon cancer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2012, 12:08:37 AM
I thought we were done talking about Teapartiers, but election time is rolling around, and those parasites are crawling back from out of the woodworks, all swollen with Koch money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 01, 2012, 12:56:59 AM
They're like cicadas that way. That and the neverending loud, shrill noises they emit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fart on July 01, 2012, 02:21:31 AM
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it's goin on here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on July 01, 2012, 02:39:39 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 01, 2012, 12:08:37 AM
I thought we were done talking about Teapartiers, but election time is rolling around, and those parasites are crawling back from out of the woodworks, all swollen with Koch money.

They need to hibernate. It's tough work pretending that humans are rational agents, and that behavioural economics isn't a thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2012, 02:51:25 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 01, 2012, 12:08:37 AM
I thought we were done talking about Teapartiers, but election time is rolling around, and those parasites are crawling back from out of the woodworks, all swollen with Koch money.

The tea baggers may have been popular at first, but they're pretty hated now. It's actually a good thing to see them back in the news.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 02:52:28 AM
Quote from: pickle on July 01, 2012, 02:39:39 AM
They need to hibernate.
Don't think they will. You libruls just took away their medicare or something.
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It's tough work pretending that humans are rational agents, and that behavioural economics isn't a thing.
Tea Partiers think this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on July 01, 2012, 03:00:04 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 02:52:28 AM
Quote from: pickle on July 01, 2012, 02:39:39 AM
They need to hibernate.
Don't think they will. You libruls just took away their medicare or something.
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It's tough work pretending that humans are rational agents, and that behavioural economics isn't a thing.
Tea Partiers think this?

Perhaps just I'm talking out of my arse, but I've always been under the impression that Austrian Economics tends to disregard empirical observations about human behaviour?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: pickle on July 01, 2012, 03:00:04 AM
Perhaps just I'm talking out of my arse, but I've always been under the impression that Austrian Economics tends to disregard empirical observations about human behaviour?
No, it's okay, I was snarking about Tea Partiers and their good-weather adherence to the facts that are Austrian Economics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on July 01, 2012, 03:07:28 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: pickle on July 01, 2012, 03:00:04 AM
Perhaps just I'm talking out of my arse, but I've always been under the impression that Austrian Economics tends to disregard empirical observations about human behaviour?
No, it's okay, I was snarking about Tea Partiers and their good-weather adherence to the facts that are Austrian Economics.

I see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxoVqMhuzTo

SHAME

Shoddy ObamaCare ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgiQ9KZdqg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2012, 07:55:46 PM
edit: wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 01, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgiQ9KZdqg

I actually like that ad, I mean the music and design and stuff are nice. I don't really understand why Romney wants to repeal his own health care plan though  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2012, 11:16:57 PM
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Gov-Scott-Says-Fla-Wont-Comply-with-Health-Care-Law-160943495.html

Governor Scott announced that Florida has seceded from the union. Well, good riddance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2012, 11:18:52 PM
I doubt he will. How many times do state governments turn down federal monies?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2012, 11:28:58 PM
I wouldn't worry overly much if I lived in Florida; this stuff doesn't go into effect until 2014 and that's when he'll be losing his reelection bid pretty handily.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
I'm still wondering how the hell FLORIDA elected a guy accused of Medicare fraud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 01, 2012, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 01, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 01, 2012, 03:17:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgiQ9KZdqg

I actually like that ad, I mean the music and design and stuff are nice. I don't really understand why Romney wants to repeal his own health care plan though  ???

Because nobody told him that it's a million times more socialist than medicare, and so he's trying to amend that mistake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2012, 11:45:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
I'm still wondering how the hell FLORIDA elected a guy accused of Medicare fraud.

C.R.E.A.M. and ZOMG DEATH PANELS hysteria of 2010
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2012, 11:49:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2012, 11:36:26 PM
I'm still wondering how the hell FLORIDA elected a guy accused of Medicare fraud.

he's only looking out for the citizens' best interest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2012, 03:04:49 AM
Republican math alert: Boehner says Obamacare's $700 free rider penalty is MORE than Romneycare's $1,200 penalty (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/07/john-boehner-obamacares-700-free-rider.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 03:07:47 AM
 :lol

Can't wait for the debates
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2012, 03:13:15 AM
Like the debates are probably going to be useful to help sway people who generally just don't give a shit and don't spend the time to keep informed, as long as the media will actually tell them, "yup, these fuckers are lying about this shit" in as many words.  But there's a certain percentage of the population who you're just not ever going to convince that Obama ISN'T, in fact, a Kenyan Muslin Soshilust Commie Atheist with a radical preacher mentor that wants to get all of their lily white teenage daughters pregnant, indoctrinate them into satanism/socialism/whatever and then force them to get abortions so he can eat the medical waste.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 08:50:41 AM
Nah I'm looking forward to it because since the media is such a joke, the debates will be the first time Romney is challenged on his bullshit. I'd love to see him accuse Obama of apologizing for America or passing a never seen before health plan...to Obama's face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2012, 09:28:59 AM
This is in the paper today:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/j5xpgm.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
I'm not sure anyone in the duopoly should be bragging after the gutter they dragged themselves into prior to the ruling last week. BUT THIS IS AMERICA! PARTY ON DUDES!

Best part is they missed the overall win that was this session.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 08:50:41 AM
the debates will be the first time Romney is challenged on his bullshit
You can do better than this.
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 02, 2012, 03:13:15 AM
But there's a certain percentage of the population who you're just not ever going to convince that Obama ISN'T, in fact, a Kenyan Muslin Soshilust Commie Atheist with a radical preacher mentor that wants to get all of their lily white teenage daughters pregnant, indoctrinate them into satanism/socialism/whatever and then force them to get abortions so he can eat the medical waste.
It's amazing the contortions you LIBDUHALS go through to ignore the obvious and still yet to be disproven facts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2012, 10:12:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mUV9ze7fVw

Broken record is broken.

"What about *blank*?"

"Don't you worry about *blank*, you let me worry about *blank*."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2012, 10:12:20 AM
"Don't you worry about *blank*, you let me worry about *blank*."
Which office are you running for again? I don't want to screw up my ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
I'm not sure anyone in the duopoly should be bragging after the gutter they dragged themselves into prior to the ruling last week. BUT THIS IS AMERICA! PARTY ON DUDES!

Best part is they missed the overall win that was this session.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 08:50:41 AM
the debates will be the first time Romney is challenged on his bullshit
You can do better than this.


Show me one interview since Romney won the nomination where he has been challenged or effectively pushed on anything. His CBS interview comes to mind but even that was softball. So much of his campaign is built on pure dishonesty, and he is shielded from any media that might ask tough questions or challenge the narratives he continues to spin

My point is that he won't be able to do that against the actual candidate in a debate. He'll no longer have some abstract "it" to talk shit about
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 02, 2012, 07:41:39 PM
I figured this was the best thread to post it in but Anderson Cooper finally admits to being gay.  I know we're all stunned here so....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 02, 2012, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 02, 2012, 07:41:39 PM
I figured this was the best thread to post it in but Anderson Cooper finally admits to being gay.  I know we're all stunned here so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlhyX-4qKI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 02, 2012, 07:47:58 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 02, 2012, 07:41:39 PM
I figured this was the best thread to post it in but Anderson Cooper finally admits to being gay.  I know we're all stunned here so....

Also reported: the sky is blue, chocolate is delicious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2012, 07:49:46 PM
I wonder if he's gonna add "People Who Thought I Was Straight" to his RedicuList.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 02, 2012, 10:25:44 PM
Why would he even have to announce this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 02, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/07/02/re-the-littlest-pundit

Quote from: The Stranger
Remember Jonathan Krohn, the barely pubescent boy who became a minor star of the Republican party back in 2009? As I wrote at the time:

    This morning, Republican America is all smitten with this 14-year-old kid, Jonathan Krohn, who's written a book and schmoozes the teevee cameras and talks about what's so great about conservatism.

    Here's the thing: All kids are conservative. They are naturally conservative—I was, you were, we all were—knowing only their small domestic sphere and protective of only their narrow interests. They like the status quo, they like rigid authority structures, they like the illusion of changelessness that a stable household provides.

    The process of becoming an adult liberal is the process of realizing that the world is bigger and weirder and more malleable than you ever imagined, and that there are interests other than one's own to defend.

    This kid, smart and curious as he is, will grow into a liberal. I just hope his parents and press agents let him.

Now, three years later, Politico has interviewed the kid and guess what? He's in favor of gay marriage, Barack Obama, and even Obamacare.

    Now 17, Krohn — who went on to write a book, “Defining Conservatism,” that was blurbed by the likes of Newt Gingrich and Bill Bennett — still watches that speech from time to time, but it mostly makes him cringe because, well, he’s not a conservative anymore.

    “I think it was naive,” Krohn now says of the speech. “It’s a 13-year-old kid saying stuff that he had heard for a long time...One of the first things that changed was that I stopped being a social conservative,” said Krohn. “It just didn’t seem right to me anymore. From there, it branched into other issues, everything from health care to economic issues.… I think I’ve changed a lot, and it’s not because I’ve become a liberal from being a conservative — it’s just that I thought about it more. The issues are so complex, you can’t just go with some ideological mantra for each substantive issue.”

Ta da! He's grown up, learned some things, and left conservatism—at least the perverse strain of American/Republican conservatism that tries to legislate people's private lives for moral reasons, but balks at actually helping them in any material or meaningful way.

That kind of conservatism is strictly for children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 02, 2012, 11:38:20 PM
Due to the insanity of the last 4 years of the GOP, there definitely needs to be a "Where are they now?" for flash in the pan GOP personalities.

Next Up: Carrie Prejean, Joe the Plumber, and Tito the Builder
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2012, 11:38:45 PM
Bill Maher made fun of this kid (and a more recent rising star in Republican circles) a week or two ago. He made a good point: The fact that right wingers think that adolescents thinking like they do some how qualify as being "prodigies" is an incredibly depressing thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2012, 11:42:58 PM
Isn't Joe the Plumber running for some office or other?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 02, 2012, 11:44:09 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 02, 2012, 11:38:20 PM
Due to the insanity of the last 4 years of the GOP, there definitely needs to be a "Where are they now?" for flash in the pan GOP personalities.

Next Up: Carrie Prejean, Joe the Plumber, and Tito the Builder

Well, we know what Joe's doing, currently running for a congressional seat in Ohio (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66890.html), and providing Tea Party approved history lessons. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/joe-plumber-says-founding-fathers.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2012, 11:47:54 PM
Reading Jonathan Krohn's Wikipedia:

Quote
He attended Christian schools until 2007, when his parents began to home-school him.

HMMMMMM....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 03, 2012, 03:30:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 02, 2012, 10:04:33 AM
I'm not sure anyone in the duopoly should be bragging after the gutter they dragged themselves into prior to the ruling last week. BUT THIS IS AMERICA! PARTY ON DUDES!

Best part is they missed the overall win that was this session.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2012, 08:50:41 AM
the debates will be the first time Romney is challenged on his bullshit
You can do better than this.


Show me one interview since Romney won the nomination where he has been challenged or effectively pushed on anything. His CBS interview comes to mind but even that was softball. So much of his campaign is built on pure dishonesty, and he is shielded from any media that might ask tough questions or challenge the narratives he continues to spin

My point is that he won't be able to do that against the actual candidate in a debate. He'll no longer have some abstract "it" to talk shit about

Santorum and Gingrich definitely were not playing softball with him. There was plenty of distrust over what Romney says versus what he believes during the primaries.

The media has to build up a narrative. They need to make it feel like he shifted to the center suddenly. Therefore, they should not focus on his bullshit until we get close to election day. Then with the debates and the ads with sound clips of Romney having two opinions on everything and talking heads asking if everybody remembers when Santorum and Gingrich were walking around with etch-a-sketches, that is when we will see a media orgy that actually pays attention to what Romney's been saying.

They want it to feel close, but for it to eventually turn into a landslide. That keeps people the most attentive. I just want this to affect down ticket voting since the Republicans will probably still be crazy uncooperative for 4 more years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 03, 2012, 07:41:16 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2nlzref.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 03, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
i can't decide which is worse, conservative message comedy or Cantonese comedy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 03, 2012, 08:41:09 AM
It's funny cause the ACA did end wage slavery. It's just doesn't fit the narrative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2012, 11:10:12 AM
The Annual Mandatory Romney Family Vacation sounds positively heart felming. 

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/07/02/the-romney-boathouse-is-a-lot-nicer-than-that-dump-you-live-in/

Quote
Each member of the family picks a daily chore from a “chore wheel,” so as to share cleaning tasks evenly. And before anyone departs, everyone poses on the lawn for a portrait for that year’s Romney family Christmas card. The grandchildren coordinate outfits; last summer, the girls wore matching orange and yellow polka-dotted dresses and the boys, blue checkered shirts.

:heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
Romney's Money Labyrinth makes for riveting reading as well. Lots of twists and turns, although the ending is pretty predicable (spoiler: he's rich as hell).

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 03, 2012, 12:34:14 PM
I just recently learned that Ann Romney has MS, does that possibly mean that Mitt is off the reservation and sensible on at least the issue of stem cell research, or is he thoroughly disingenuous on everything?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 03, 2012, 01:37:59 PM
Best Romney article I've seen yet:

Romney Invested in Medical-Waste Firm That Disposed of Aborted Fetuses, Government Documents Show:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 03, 2012, 01:42:19 PM
Taxes are the closest thing America has done nearly as bad as slavery. Highways, and services, and fire departments? WHO NEEDS EM. I value my freedom, and I value my gun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2012, 01:57:41 PM
"Corporations are people, my friend!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2012, 02:42:22 PM
Quote from: tiesto on July 03, 2012, 01:37:59 PM
Best Romney article I've seen yet:

Romney Invested in Medical-Waste Firm That Disposed of Aborted Fetuses, Government Documents Show:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/romney-bain-abortion-stericycle-sec)


I read that this morning, but I didn't want to post 3 Romney articles back to back. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 03, 2012, 03:33:55 PM
The fetal corpses were probably trucked to his church for baptism. The Jewish ones anyway
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
Quote from: vcassano1;39516046
Is it really?

 His argument is stupid and the sad result of a man forced to spit on and deny his own legacy due to a lack of personal backbone and a perceived political GOP reality.

Quote
CRAWFORD: “But does that mean that the mandate in the state of Massachusetts under your health care law also is a tax? I mean, you raised taxes as governor.”

ROMNEY: “Actually, the chief justice in his opinion made it very clear that at the state level, states have the power to put in place mandates. They don’t need to require them to be called taxes in order for them to be constitutional. And as a result, Massachusetts’ mandate was a mandate, was a penalty, was described that way by the Legislature and by me, and so it stays as it was.”


http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/07/romney-shifts-says-mandates-a-tax-128026.html (http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/07/romney-shifts-says-mandates-a-tax-128026.html)

:dizzy :dizzy :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ZpHRxnaYA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2012, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ZpHRxnaYA

Yep.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2012, 11:58:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xv0Xo9W1a8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2012, 07:54:52 AM
Even though we all know who we'd vote for these can still be fun timewasters.

This quiz thing has been updated this with more/nominated candidates (Jill Stein who was missing before and they also added the Constitution Party) and they changed some of the answers, especially the "more answers" options, along with a new "processing" screen rather than instant display of the results:
http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz

I set everything to MAXIMUM IMPORTANCE to increase the standard deviations:
96% Gary Johnson
95% Ron Paul
43% Virgil Goode
27% Mitt Romney
21% Kent Mesplay
13% Jimmy McMillan
12% Jill Stein
9% Barack Obama
7% Fred Karger

96% Libertarian
43% Constitution
17% Republican
9% Democratic
http://www.isidewith.com/results/10899087

If you can track down a link from before it will "update" with the new candidates, but won't change based on the new/changed answer choices obviously.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
We'll see if anyone can hit this projection:
75% Barack Obama
70% Kent Mesplay
68% Jill Stein
30% Ron Paul
30% Fred Karger
24% Gary Johnson
10% Jimmy McMillan
7% Mitt Romney
0% Virgil Goode
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 06, 2012, 09:57:41 AM
91% Barack Obama

86% Kent Mesplay

86% Jill Stein

34% Ron Paul

16% Mitt Romney

72% Washington Voters

58% American Voters


91% Democratic


86% Green


28% Libertarian


16% Republican


GEE SO SURPRISING. actually, this whole quiz smells of paultard bullshit. obama should NOT be the leftmost candidate by ANY stretch. if it gives full weight to obama when selecting "nationalize the banks" and i'm now almost 100% sure it does, it's a treacherous sack of shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 06, 2012, 03:40:24 PM
I got about a -7/-7 on the Political Compass a few years ago

That is pretty much the only political quiz I bothered to take.  This one sucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 06, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
(http://www.investors.com/image/TOONFINAL0706_800.jpg.cms)

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2012, 08:09:48 PM
If only we had a representative form of government like our forefathers fought for, instead of a socialist regime. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2012, 08:18:09 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 06, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
(http://www.investors.com/image/TOONFINAL0706_800.jpg.cms)

:usacry

Our forefathers fought against taxes.

Why do we have taxes?! Taxes are as un-American as Poutine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 05, 2012, 07:54:52 AM
Election quiz

Jill Stein - 88%
Barack Obama - 87%
Kent Mesplay - 83%
Ron Paul - 58%
Mitt Romney - 15%
Texas voters - 82%

Democratic - 87%
Green - 87%
Libertarian - 61%
Republican - 15%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 06, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
Jill Stein - 90%
Barack Obama - 89%
Kent Mesplay - 86%
Gary Johnson - 55%
Jimmy McMillan - 51%
Ron Paul - 43%
Virgil Goode - 7%
Mitt Romney - 5%

Iowa Voters - 77%
American Voters - 80%

89% - Democratic
89% - Green
52% - Libertarian
5% - Republican

Considering that I intend to vote for Jill Stein this fall, I guess I'm not too surprised.  Also I have to LOL at how Libertarian-loaded this quiz is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2012, 02:37:47 AM
Another Obama heart attack drone victim. :(

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/06/owner-of-restaurant-dies-following-obama-visit/?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 07, 2012, 02:39:44 AM
:drudge THE CRISIS CONTINUES :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fart on July 07, 2012, 03:08:42 AM
there's a new sheriff in town. his name is black, joe black

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Meet_Joe_Black-_1998.jpg/220px-Meet_Joe_Black-_1998.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meet_Joe_Black&h=327&w=220&sz=16&tbnid=_yKno8SGWlrHXM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=61&zoom=1&usg=__9gaYMK5dAo7QvSq2WhOAAm1y-Ck=&docid=-keRd3mIhT6WhM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OeD3T9uCMqW26wG59ZnBBg&ved=0CGsQ9QEwAg&dur=2528)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 07, 2012, 04:36:21 AM
demi bring back the ignore button

i hate the new way

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 07, 2012, 04:38:28 AM
texp, I'd love to vote for Stein and I'm very pro-Green Party, but voting for her won't amount to shit in the long run and I can't have Romney in the house. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 07, 2012, 10:40:44 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/College-Conservative/?upcoming

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 07, 2012, 10:51:39 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
(http://t.qkme.me/35lftr.jpg)
this

Oh man, what a meme. Few people tempt me to slap them, but these fuckers...how does one get into college due to their dad, have their tuition payed by their parents, get their first job due to their dad's connections...also believe they pulled their own boot straps up. I don't even support affirmative action based on race, but there's no question it was initially set up to combat shit like this.

Reminds me of Romney claiming he gave away his entire inheritance, and thus made his millions "on his own"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 08, 2012, 12:18:59 AM
It's not his fault Obama handed out boot straps to everyone. Or rather John robert did. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 09:54:32 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 06, 2012, 09:57:41 AM
GEE SO SURPRISING. actually, this whole quiz smells of paultard bullshit. obama should NOT be the leftmost candidate by ANY stretch. if it gives full weight to obama when selecting "nationalize the banks" and i'm now almost 100% sure it does, it's a treacherous sack of shit.
Quote from: The Experiment on July 06, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
Considering that I intend to vote for Jill Stein this fall, I guess I'm not too surprised.  Also I have to LOL at how Libertarian-loaded this quiz is.
It's got problems, especially with new answers both ways now. I hadn't really noticed because I didn't look at the answers just killing time with it. And it was much better last time around.

But other libertarians noticed the same thing as you guys but on the opposite. Something like "DESTROY THE SOCIAL SAFETY NET AND ENSLAVE CHILDREN" was marked "agree with Romney" because he said to not expand Social Security. I checked and it's doing the same thing on your side. Seems to be trying its best to filter towards Obama/Romney now that the primaries are over.

I looked at another one shortly after posting that, CNN, I think and they had eliminated the third parties from it, when they had them during the GOP primary.
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2012, 10:59:23 PM
Oh man, what a meme. Few people tempt me to slap them, but these fuckers...how does one get into college due to their dad, have their tuition payed by their parents, get their first job due to their dad's connections...also believe they pulled their own boot straps up. I don't even support affirmative action based on race, but there's no question it was initially set up to combat shit like this.

Reminds me of Romney claiming he gave away his entire inheritance, and thus made his millions "on his own"
I know someone who is the ultimate this and you might have heard of him, maybe other michiganders, let me see if I can find him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
He's also a cultural warrior to the death type IIRC. No compromise on abortion, gay marriage, etc. (I mean like rape/etc. for abortion type, not even that.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-3409236.html
http://www.dennislennoxdiary.com/
http://twitter.com/dennislennox/
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(http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/09/owl1.jpg)

He seemed to only wear boat shoes.

He imagined himself the next Speaker of the House and then Governor or something.

http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=626803

He couldn't handle the faux-legislature exercise we did in great near-graduate level course. (Your libertarian BFF benji in the Democratic caucus took advantage of him with his two College GOP friends dictating to their caucus "we already have our agenda" and then leaving after five minutes... to bring them over to our room and hammered out a compromise that got 80% of what we wanted. And then got to enjoy him losing like 28-3 when the whole body sat the next week.  :teehee)

That same personality is what got him kicked out of the College Republicans. And then last I knew he was even driven out of YAF before he left school to fail at being Drain Commissioner and running for Congress.

He'll probably sign up here now, but I don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 08, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
That's one weird looking dude.

I can't tell if he's 18 or 58.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 08, 2012, 11:37:39 AM
Quote from: Broseidon on July 08, 2012, 11:34:15 AM
That's one weird looking dude.

I can't tell if he's 18 or 58.

Going from this article, http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/09/oh_the_people_youll_meet , he is 27-28.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 11:48:33 AM
He's looked like that for at least seven years.

I like to picture him whenever I might feel some favorability towards the GOP that's not the Pauls or Amash.

He's worse than I could describe, the videos are gone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2012, 12:06:37 PM
iirc that's the guy who tried to take on Gary Peters in a classroom. Dude is crazy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 08, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
He's also a cultural warrior to the death type IIRC. No compromise on abortion, gay marriage, etc. (I mean like rape/etc. for abortion type, not even that.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-3409236.html
http://www.dennislennoxdiary.com/
http://twitter.com/dennislennox/

What is with his tweeting how many days are left in the year every day?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2012, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 08, 2012, 01:37:26 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
He's also a cultural warrior to the death type IIRC. No compromise on abortion, gay marriage, etc. (I mean like rape/etc. for abortion type, not even that.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-3409236.html
http://www.dennislennoxdiary.com/
http://twitter.com/dennislennox/

What is with his tweeting how many days are left in the year every day?  ???

Aspergers? Might explain a few things.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 08, 2012, 02:00:05 PM
Wow that guy has a really small head...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 08, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
here's the libertarian intelligentsia in action: http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-e-cupp-never-vote-atheist-president-025658535.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2012, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 08, 2012, 02:13:24 PM
here's the libertarian intelligentsia in action: http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-e-cupp-never-vote-atheist-president-025658535.html

I'd fill her cupp, hey-o!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 08, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
I'm going to sound like a raging misogynist here but whatever: what's up with this wave of attractive yet stupid soccer mom type conservatives?

I mean in the past you'd have conservative women like say Kay Bailey Hutchison, Peggy Noonan, or Christine Todd Whitman.  Now you have people like SE Cupp, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Christine O'Donnell, Sarah Palin, and Kelly Ayotte who is jumping up and down practically begging to be VP.  They're all good looking ladies, they're all aggressively ambitious but at the same time they are very proud of their ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity.  It seems like this shift happened in the past five years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 08, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: SE Cupp
The other part of it — I like that there is a check, OK? That there‘s a person in the office that doesn’t think he’s bigger than the state. I like religion being a check and knowing that my president goes home every night addressing someone above him and not thinking all the power resides right here… Atheists don’t have that.

That's a new one.  Religious people make better elected officials because their faith... gives them more deference to the worldly institutions of governance?  Zuh?


I always wonder how much people like that feel they're bullshitting vs. how sincere they are. Not just politics, but the Skip Bayless crowd too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2012, 02:41:42 PM
I've never known an elected politician to be hypocritical about their religion, so I definitely agree with the points Ms. Cupp raised.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2012, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 08, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: SE Cupp
The other part of it — I like that there is a check, OK? That there‘s a person in the office that doesn’t think he’s bigger than the state. I like religion being a check and knowing that my president goes home every night addressing someone above him and not thinking all the power resides right here… Atheists don’t have that.

That's a new one.  Religious people make better elected officials because their faith... gives them more deference to the worldly institutions of governance?  Zuh?


I always wonder how much people like that feel they're bullshitting vs. how sincere they are. Not just politics, but the Skip Bayless crowd too.

What could go wrong with a devout Christian being President, believing that his decisions were guided from above and thus making him devoid of any self-doubt or second guessing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2012, 06:06:24 PM
I kind of wonder if that was moreso Cubb trying to maintain her conservative base by any means necessary, and less her actual opinion/thoughts. At least I hope so...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 08:21:13 PM
I thought S.E. Cupp claims to be an atheist.  ???

And then, of course, she wrote this:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/19/Losing_Our_Religion.jpg/393px-Losing_Our_Religion.jpg)

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"I am an atheist. I have been an atheist for fifteen years. ... I believe ... that Judeo-Christian values, religious tolerance, an objective press, the benevolence of Christianity, and civility and decency make for a better American democracy."

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/belief-nonbelief-equal-article-1.437162

what

Never much liked her on Red Eye. Krystal Ball was better after her first couple times.

When they first announced The Cycle I thought it would only have women.

Quote from: The Experiment on July 08, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
I'm going to sound like a raging misogynist here but whatever: what's up with this wave of attractive yet stupid soccer mom type conservatives?
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Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2012, 12:06:37 PM
iirc that's the guy who tried to take on Gary Peters in a classroom. Dude is crazy
Nah, just followed him out to his car at night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Cupp certainly demonstrates the group self loathing mentality conservatives love. Self hating her own views on religion freed her from the mental plantation of atheism, to use the parlance of black conservatives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 08, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 08, 2012, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 08, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
Quote from: SE Cupp
The other part of it — I like that there is a check, OK? That there‘s a person in the office that doesn’t think he’s bigger than the state. I like religion being a check and knowing that my president goes home every night addressing someone above him and not thinking all the power resides right here… Atheists don’t have that.

That's a new one.  Religious people make better elected officials because their faith... gives them more deference to the worldly institutions of governance?  Zuh?


I always wonder how much people like that feel they're bullshitting vs. how sincere they are. Not just politics, but the Skip Bayless crowd too.

What could go wrong with a devout Christian being President, believing that his decisions were guided from above and thus making him devoid of any self-doubt or second guessing?

Because it's just a mask. They say they are doing god's work when they are only doing the work of special interests. Lloyd Blankenfein said Goldman Sachs was doing "god's work" after the big crash.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 08, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
Because it's just a mask. They say they are doing god's work when they are only doing the work of special interests.
Well, yeah, it's politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 08, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
Of all the conservative women that display signs of congnitive dissonance, my future ex-waifu S.E. does it the most adorably.  :heart

To truly understand the mental gymnastics that one has to go to, to be a pro-religion atheist, one needs to only check out this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWu5fLRCFDk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 08, 2012, 10:16:26 PM
Since we're on the subject, I should also mention what Ms. Cupp also said not too long ago:

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if Democrats insist that women need Obama to take care of them, then why shouldn't women also feel compelled to consider how their future husbands will take care of them? What's the difference between the feminists' political marriage to Obama and Ann's marriage to Mitt? Both choices are predicated on who will be the better provider.
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http://jezebel.com/5903056/misinformed-columnist-says-ann-romney-should-be-a-feminist-role-model-for-marrying-rich
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 08, 2012, 10:16:57 PM
Since we're on the subject, I should also mention something else Ms. Cupp said not too long ago:

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if Democrats insist that women need Obama to take care of them, then why shouldn't women also feel compelled to consider how their future husbands will take care of them? What's the difference between the feminists' political marriage to Obama and Ann's marriage to Mitt? Both choices are predicated on who will be the better provider.

http://jezebel.com/5903056/misinformed-columnist-says-ann-romney-should-be-a-feminist-role-model-for-marrying-rich
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 08, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2012, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 08, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
Because it's just a mask. They say they are doing god's work when they are only doing the work of special interests.
Well, yeah, it's politics.

No. It's a wolf in sheep's skin. THE definition of a bold face lie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 09, 2012, 05:12:06 AM
Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/07/joe-plumber-if-them-thar-scienticians.html)

Latte sippin science lovers annihilated yet again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2012, 05:24:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTM3Bd5T4KU

Quote from: Oblivion on July 09, 2012, 05:12:06 AM
Joe the Plumber lays waste to Science. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/07/joe-plumber-if-them-thar-scienticians.html)

Latte sippin science lovers annihilated yet again.
Video from this too since I bumped us to the new page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrFKl9Da0jw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
If science is so great, where's my flying car?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 09, 2012, 09:39:24 AM
To be fair to JTP, it doesn't take a lot of science to unclog a drain. It doesn't take a bible though either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2012, 09:41:53 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 09, 2012, 09:35:45 AM
If science is so great, where's my flying car?
Yep, Q.E.D.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 09, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
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This came from White House deputy press secretary in response to Buzzfeed's stultifyingly dumb piece suggesting that the Obama campaign was using a font similar to Cuban revolutionary propaganda (you read that right) and calling for the head of the kerning vetter. Jayzuz.

Anyway, here's the WH reaction:

“Your GOP operative should have had the courtesy to stay sober before noon, and BuzzFeed should go back to labeling cat slideshows.”

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
For Mandark: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/07/05/511273/national-review-colonial-times/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2012, 05:12:13 PM
"Back when people received very little wages, worked every waking hour, and were threatened with physical violence and death, they worked a lot harder!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
A racist douchebag  writing for National Review, well this is new!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 09, 2012, 08:43:34 PM
COLORED PEOPLE

WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING HARDER? Why don't you get a job?

But I'm working three jobs already!

GET ANOTHER ONE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 09, 2012, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 09, 2012, 08:43:34 PM
COLORED PEOPLE

WHY AREN'T YOU WORKING HARDER? Why don't you get a job?

But I'm working three jobs already!

GET ANOTHER ONE

Typical, working a bunch of shit jobs because you can't pull yourself up and have a CAREER. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 10, 2012, 02:52:13 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-calls-obama-outsourcer-in-chief

:dizzy :dizzy :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 10, 2012, 02:55:12 PM
Just like how it's democrats that really waging the war on woman and they're the ones that are really hate brown people. Liberal media always getting everything twisted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on July 10, 2012, 07:14:38 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-plan-win-over-youth-vote-195607913.html

pretty sure we skew young enough...who's up for BOREPAC and scammin some $$??
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 10, 2012, 08:40:50 PM
You know, I'm really glad that all our country's other problems have been fixed so that there's nothing left for the House to do but debate the merits of Obamacare now that it's already passed the House, the Senate, and been upheld by the Supreme Court. Great job guys, really swell work. Just keep hashing that over. Seriously, just keep doing that. It's awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
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Here's how the partnership will work: The YG Action fund, a super PAC, will scour the country looking for new young Republican House and Senate candidates. (The group is similar to, but independent from, the National Republican Congressional Committee's "Young Guns" program.) The Action fund will support these new GOP candidates and independently bolster their campaigns. Meanwhile, MavPAC will build its own base of young, new donors and fundraising bundlers, whom they plan to connect with the new recruits. The two groups will share data based on the information they gather from new supporters. They plan to spend $5 million this election cycle on the joint project.

This is why republicans fail at appealing to various demographics, and explains the conservative thought process in some ways. Any attempt to spear head a voter outreach movement aimed at demographics  that traditionally aren't republicans is based on nominating candidates who happen to be members of said demographic. Appeal to women? Sarah Palin. Appeal to Hispanics? Marco Rubio. Appeal to blacks? Hermain Cain. Because clearly these demographics only vote for people who look like them.

No wonder many republicans truly believe most black people voted for Obama because he's black. Never mind that Al Gore got what, 94% of the black vote and Kerry did similarly. We saw this earlier in the year when conservative personalities argued a Hermain Cain candidacy could split the black vote. Because of course, black people simply wouldn't know what to do if there were two black candidates to vote for instead of one.

I'm not going to go into a "republicans are doomed" spiel here, but republicans sure as hell better find a more logical means of appealing to Hispanic voters besides betting the farm on a Cuban politician.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 10, 2012, 10:03:14 PM
Well race/gender do matter to some extent in elections and pretty much all Republican politicians in Congress are white men so they need to diversify eventually.

The current Republicans don't really have a consistent message that they can pitch to those demographics. They have vague plans of lowering taxes and reducing government spending, but without any concrete plans in place (beyond opposing everything the Democrats want to do) you can't really promise anything that would appeal to the left-leaning demographics.

That's why I think the Tea Party will eventually split the Republican party after they lose to Obama in November. It might take a few years or a whole decade even, but clearly their attempt at uniting evangelicals with free-marketers and anti-federalists is failing massively. The one downside is that Obama's second term may still have too many Republicans in Congress to overcome the filibusters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 10, 2012, 10:05:48 PM
Well, when you have positions that run directly against the demographics you want to bring in but at the same time, you don't want to shed said positions, your only resort is to bring in people who look like the people they want to bring in.  That and Republicans have been thriving off of identity politics for over 50 years now, they probably aren't used to campaigning any other way.  For many elections, the GOP has been able to win off the back of theoretical societal ills like the communist egghead liberal teaching at your daughter's school and Shaniqua with her five kids from three baby daddies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 10, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
Democrats will be extremely lucky to keep control of the Senate this year.  I think it's entirely likely that Obama wins by 2-4 points and slightly less than he did in the EC in 2008 but Republicans take control of the Senate.  If that happens pretty much nothing will get done except by executive order for the next however many years Republicans have control of Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2012, 12:02:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2012, 05:07:17 PM
For Mandark: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/07/05/511273/national-review-colonial-times/

This is basically bog standard colonial apologism, which is as common in certain parts of the right as defenses of the Confederacy.  I mean, its implications are obviously racist, but no more so than the usual NRO dross.

Conrad Black's wrong, of course.  Any system of government that reliably induces violent rebellions by people trying to overthrow it is probably not a "good" one by any sensible measure, and certainly not a sustainable one.  No amount of careful word choice (large scale murder becomes "inexcusably heavy-handedness" while city planning is "splendid") can cover that up.

I'm not shocked that a conservative member of the House of Lords wants to write something like this.  What surprises me just a little, though, is that National Review Online, which has spent a lot of the last three years egging on a bunch of activists poncing around in tri-corner hats and claiming the heritage of revolutionary America by calling themselves Tea Partiers, would publish an argument against national independence movements and democracy, and in favor of continued European colonial rule.  The fucking irony of it all.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 09:44:13 AM
I think PDark has the accuracy here. But it is twisted in a minor aspect.

There's no reason that blacks and hispanics should vote for the Democrats except for the hostility the GOP shows. (Unless we of course assume that people of a race are all the same.)

I've shown my love for an old Gdub speech, but I do think that's still important. And I have to question why blacks vote lockstep for Democrats. I've read all the explanations, I don't buy it. You aren't relevant if you're lockstep for a party.

The GOP can win if they get 40% hispanic and it's why they dance around immigration. And why Rubio even exists.

Theoretically, say there is a black revolt and they vote 50/50 Repub on social issues, vouchers, etc. Would the Democrats not come running to offer them more than feeble control over their urban centers? What power bloc would they get from bucking the party and saying don't take us for granted?

What do you lose in a cycle?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 10:04:58 AM
We (as in, the majority of blacks in America) vote Democrat because it's something we just do. Our parents are democrats, so when we reach voting age, we vote democrat too. We vote democrat also because the GOP is the anti-thesis to a lot of problems blacks face (ie crippling social programs). Not to say that the Democrats are really that much better, but they're still better in that regard. The GOP give no flying fuck about poor people, and an overwhelmingly amount of blacks are poor. That is why we vote Democrat. Either you are poor, or you have family that is poor (which is every black American, rich, middle, or poor).

The thing about the black vote is that many are socially liberal on programs, but tend to sway towards conservatism on actual issues like gay rights, mostly due to intense religiosity.

There are reasons for voting for Democats, but most of them are legacy reasons, not modern reasons. Of course, they may be able to swing some black conservatives with more exposure to the likes of Herman Cain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 10:13:34 AM
I know/agreee all that, and I don't reject it as a valid reason for blacks or anyone to vote Democrat and don't even care about arguing that GOP policies are better on this point. (Or anything else policy wise.)

I build off that George W. speech because I think it makes the point that if you vote lockstep for a party, you aren't relevant. The GOP writes off blacks, the Democrats often write off evangelicals despite it once being their base.

The Reagan Democrats were working class whites who did some voting on social issues. If blacks put themselves into play, they matter. Now they get what?

And blacks aren't going to vote GOP just because of a Hermain Cain or JC Watts, everyone gets this I'd think.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 10:34:50 AM
Well, you said there's no reason to vote Democrat, but there's little reason to vote Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 11, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
Sounds like you should send an email to "blacks" so they know what's going on!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 11, 2012, 10:39:25 AM
(http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/35lfyq/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 10:43:53 AM
No, no, I get that I mean I don't vote Republican.

But it's not the same but I think you can maybe relate, my family in Flint doesn't seen why they'd ever not vote Democrat. And as much as I hate the Republicans it's about saying "don't take me for granted."

The funny* part being my Flint family is quite viciously racist and hates Obama, (the evangelical Republican part of my family hates my Flint area uncle showing his Obama eating KFC on the whitehouse lawn app every family shindig) but loves Democrats because they're Union. So they'll vote Romney, but down-ticket Democrat to the letter.

*Not really, I know Flint.

And I don't want to say there's reason to vote Republican for blacks or anyone, but I think there is opportunity there. Make Democrats the Stuff White People Like party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 10:45:21 AM
I'd much rather have electoral reform than that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 10:47:56 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 10:45:21 AM
I'd much rather have electoral reform than that.
You want to have electoral reform? Let's get our dicks out and talk.

I was just lamenting the state we're in. Not celebrating it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 10:49:28 AM
I got my machete, just in case a revolution starts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 10:51:19 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 10:49:28 AM
I got my machete, just in case a revolution starts.
Let me know where to meet you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Only if you promise to read The Soul of Man under Socialism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Only if you promise to read The Soul of Man under Socialism.
I will.

Grant me the Wiki entry for now. Until I read it all.

Kroptokin and Bakunin are my bros for a bit.

EDIT: lol, didn't notice Kroptokin in this initially
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 11:37:32 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 11:01:15 AM
Only if you promise to read The Soul of Man under Socialism.
I will.

Grant me the Wiki entry for now. Until I read it all.

Kroptokin and Bakunin are my bros for a bit.

EDIT: lol, didn't notice Kroptokin in this initially

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soul_of_Man_under_Socialism
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 11:46:27 AM
Yeah, I've got that, I want to read it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 11:47:38 AM
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/wilde-oscar/soul-man/index.htm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
 :lol I just meant I was going to read it probably this week, cheers for the link though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on July 11, 2012, 09:44:13 AM
I think PDark has the accuracy here. But it is twisted in a minor aspect.

There's no reason that blacks and hispanics should vote for the Democrats except for the hostility the GOP shows. (Unless we of course assume that people of a race are all the same.)

I've shown my love for an old Gdub speech, but I do think that's still important. And I have to question why blacks vote lockstep for Democrats. I've read all the explanations, I don't buy it. You aren't relevant if you're lockstep for a party.

The GOP can win if they get 40% hispanic and it's why they dance around immigration. And why Rubio even exists.

Theoretically, say there is a black revolt and they vote 50/50 Repub on social issues, vouchers, etc. Would the Democrats not come running to offer them more than feeble control over their urban centers? What power bloc would they get from bucking the party and saying don't take us for granted?

What do you lose in a cycle?
What?

Black people overwhelmingly support nearly every aspect of the democrat platform, from social programs/assistance to tax issues. The only aspect many black voters are split on are social issues such as gay marriage and abortion.

Historically black people have voted for whoever was on their side. In the aftermath of the civil rights movement, the democrat party has been on their side moreso than republicans, by a large margin. Likewise Hispanics tend to be on the side of the party that benefits them the most socially and economically, despite differences on social issues.

It's white working class and non-college whites who haven't gotten the memo in terms of voting in your best interest economically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 11, 2012, 12:57:11 PM
This conversation coincides perfectly with a particularly bad set of optics (http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/romney-booed-at-naacp-convention) for the Romney campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
 :-\ read some comments at that link
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 04:08:47 PM
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/07/the_faces_and_reactions_in_the_audience_as_mitt_romney_delivered_naacp_speech.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2012, 04:39:07 PM
Is the threat of defecting actually effective, though?  I understand the logic behind it, but I'm not sure it works in practice.  That's putting aside the difficulty in getting black people together and saying "okay, let's vote at least half for the GOP for one midterm cycle, just to throw a scare into the Dems.  But don't tell the white liberals about it, cause it won't work unless it's credible."

I mean, I've asked my black friends about what goes on at their meetings, but I always assumed that was a joke and they don't actually have secret national pow-wows where they choose which comedian gets the fatsuit next.



Himu: You say you want vote reform, presumably so more parties would be competitive and people would be able to choose a better individual fit rather than be shoehorned into one of the duopoly.  It's a nice thought, but after the election you'd still need a governing coalition with >50%.  Even if your party had a plurality they'd have to compromise and share power with other factions.

Which is basically what's already happening in the two-party system, only in that case you know up front who will be in your caucus.  More than a few voters supported the Lib Dems in the last national UK election, for example, only to feel betrayed when they formed a government with the Tories.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
If Obama started advocating multiple policies that harm African Americans, he would have to deal with a backlash. That doesn't mean black people would vote for Romney, but enthusiasm would certainly decrease. Typically, groups tend to express their discontent by withholding their vote. Doesn't mean they're going to vote for the other guy, but they just might stay home.  We saw a lot of this with Romney and hardcore evangelicals upset about his Mormonism and previous support for abortion. A few years ago Harold Ford Jr. pissed off black people and gay people while running for a NY senate seat, look how that turned out.

I've talked to black people upset about Obama snubbing the NAACP this year for instance, or his alleged refusal to address "black issues" but most will still be voting for him for obvious reasons.

With Hispanics, Obama is based jesus right now; which goes back to the point about voting for people who benefit your interests. On a side note I'm kind of surprised Obama never learned to speak Spanish during his community organizing days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 11, 2012, 05:18:33 PM
(http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2009/04/2009-electorate-10.png)


This is interesting, I think black voter turnout is going to plateu soon. That and fact that they vote in lockstep with democrats could be  the reason why republicans don't feel a need to appeal to them.

The "white" elephant in the room is Hispanics. They are becoming larger and larger and their voter turnout is still very low. Combined with the fact that they're really only liberal on immigration, and I could see the Republicans completely giving up on immigration in order to get those votes

Obviously, Romney choosing Rubio as VP will set back republicans for several years. What with Rubio being Cuban and against the DREAM act.

But for now, blacks just aren't worth the effort for Republican politicians.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 05:22:34 PM
I'd imagine republicans have no idea why a Cuban telling all Hispanics "sorry, no path to citizenship for you" is a bad thing

Who knows, maybe the next generation of Hispanics will see themselves as white before Hispanic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 06:03:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 05:22:34 PM
Who knows, maybe the next generation of Hispanics will see themselves as white before Hispanic.

Haha not happening
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 11, 2012, 06:08:53 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 06:03:55 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 05:22:34 PM
Who knows, maybe the next generation of Hispanics will see themselves as white before Hispanic.

Haha not happening
You'd be surprised how many self loathing hispanics there are. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2012, 06:21:44 PM
Yeah, ethnicity's malleable, man.  Catholic immigrants used to not be white by a lot of people's reckoning, now they're only Irish during St. Patty's day and Italian during the World Cup.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 11, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Ah, so the hispanic majority that will occur in half a century will be considered "white" in another century. Haha. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 11, 2012, 06:55:40 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Ah, so the hispanic majority that will occur in half a century will be considered "white" in another century. Haha. :lol

Probably. I wish I could find the chart from late 1800s New York Times showing the "appearance" of like 48 different races, 44 of which we would today called "white."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2012, 07:08:19 PM
I look forward to a simpler time in the future when everyone is either a member of the tribe of Kid or the tribe of Play
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 11, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
The lines are being blurred for Hispanics now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States

Quote
Most persons considered White today might not have been considered White at some point in U.S. history. Among those not considered white by some people at some time in American history are the Irish, Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, Slavs, Greeks, Welsh and many other peoples who were not English. However, legally all these groups were caucasian.[10]

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On the 2000 Census form, race and ethnicity are distinct questions. A respondent who checks the "Hispanic or Latino" ethnicity box must also check one or more of the five official race categories. Of the over 35 million Hispanics or Latinos in the 2000 Census, a plurality of 48.6% identified as "White-Hispanic," 48.2% identified as "Hispanic-Hispanic" (most of whom are presumed to be mestizos), and the remaining 3.2% identified as "black-Hispanic."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 12:29:04 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romney-on-naacp-booing-if-they-want-more-stuff-from-the-government-vote-obama/

holy shit  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 12, 2012, 03:07:32 AM
my gut tells me the only reason Romney was even there was to further his cred with white people so he could further the narrative of "us against them".

which is, of course, a cynical, disgusting, and extremely evil way to win support by further dividing the country and fanning racial flames.  But since when do Republicans do that kind of thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2012, 06:22:06 AM
I absolutely, 110% believe that Romney's NAACP speech today was designed to draw boos from the crowd in order to bolster his support amongst crazy white folk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 12, 2012, 08:42:34 AM
OH SNAP, some good ol fashioned Republican "humor":

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/376269_460827373942452_603341369_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 12, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 11, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Ah, so the hispanic majority that will occur in half a century will be considered "white" in another century. Haha. :lol
My wife identifies culturally as pretty white.  I doubt my children will have much connection to hispanic culture and will probably be checking "Caucasian" on the forms they fill out.  I'm 1/2 hispanic but I'm so far from them culturally that I never check the Latino box on forms.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2012, 10:29:07 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 12, 2012, 06:22:06 AM
I absolutely, 110% believe that Romney's NAACP speech today was designed to draw boos from the crowd in order to bolster his support amongst crazy white folk.

Mitt's got a ton of black support on the DL.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/mitt-romney-i-have-secret-black-supporters-video.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 12, 2012, 10:53:44 AM
he needs to not get caught up with his hook up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 12, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/jul/12/single-women/ (http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/jul/12/single-women/)

Quote
In 2008, single women supported Barack Obama by a measurable 70% to 29% margin.  There was a 44-point difference between how single women voted compared to married women (more on that in a minute).  Published reports in 2008 went as far as to say that if single women hadn’t overwhelmingly supported Obama the way they did, the results of the election would have looked very different.

Four years later … it doesn’t look like much as changed.  The latest Quinnipiac poll shows that Obama is leading Romney among single women by almost a 2- 1 advantage, 60 percent to 31 percent.

The reason is so simple.  It boils down to one word: security.  Single women vote for the candidate who will create more government programs for them to rely upon.  They don’t have a husband to rely on --- so the government becomes their husband and provider.  Not really all that hard to figure out.

Stupid article, isn't it rather single women vote for Democrats because many Republicans want to strip away their rights and legislate their vaginas?

Hmm... perhaps I should volunteer at the Democratic committee and meet some single liberal women!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 12, 2012, 03:55:34 PM
lol at that last  line. that's quite a reach.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on July 12, 2012, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: tiesto on July 12, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/jul/12/single-women/ (http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze/2012/jul/12/single-women/)

Quote
In 2008, single women supported Barack Obama by a measurable 70% to 29% margin.  There was a 44-point difference between how single women voted compared to married women (more on that in a minute).  Published reports in 2008 went as far as to say that if single women hadn’t overwhelmingly supported Obama the way they did, the results of the election would have looked very different.

Four years later … it doesn’t look like much as changed.  The latest Quinnipiac poll shows that Obama is leading Romney among single women by almost a 2- 1 advantage, 60 percent to 31 percent.

The reason is so simple.  It boils down to one word: security.  Single women vote for the candidate who will create more government programs for them to rely upon.  They don’t have a husband to rely on --- so the government becomes their husband and provider.  Not really all that hard to figure out.

Stupid article, isn't it rather single women vote for Democrats because many Republicans want to strip away their rights and legislate their vaginas?

Hmm... perhaps I should volunteer at the Democratic committee and meet some single liberal women!

Heh. You could just as insultingly pull the assumption out of your ass that the reason why married women tend to vote more Republican is because they just do what their husband providers tell them to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
I wrote a new article for them:

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/joez-nuze/2012/jul/13/black-people/

Quote
In 2008, black people supported Barack Obama by a measurable 95% to 4% margin.  There was a 51-point difference between how black people voted compared to white people (more on that in a minute).  Published reports in 2008 went as far as to say that if black people hadn’t overwhelmingly supported Obama the way they did, the results of the election would have looked very different.

Four years later … it doesn’t look like much as changed.  The latest Quinnipiac poll shows that Obama is leading Romney among black people by a 46 - 1 advantage, 92 percent to 2 percent.

The reason is so simple.  It boils down to one word: bootstraps. Black people vote Democrat because they're lazy and want a handout from the government. Not really all that hard to figure out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
Drudge saying Condi Rice is currently the front runner for VP

pro choice, not married...yea right
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 12, 2012, 08:10:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 07:51:31 PM
Drudge saying Condi Rice is currently the front runner for VP

pro choice, not married...yea right

But she's "a lady" AND she's "a black", so both of those two groups will HAVE to vote Republican now! :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 12, 2012, 09:53:21 PM
The Boston Globe article that came out today is about 5 seconds away (http://www.americablog.com/2012/07/this-just-in-boston-globe-refuses.html) from becoming a serious hazard to the Romney campaign. I think this Condi leak is just a last ditch attempt to change the direction of the discourse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2012, 09:55:05 PM
Amazing. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 12, 2012, 09:56:26 PM
Niiiice.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 10:12:18 PM
Romney may be out of the woods on this
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-bain-capital-sankaty-fortune-inactive.php?ref=fpb

Still, the entire thing has been handled so poorly by Romney's camp. No wonder they floated the story about an unmarried, pro choice black woman possibly being VP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 12, 2012, 10:20:25 PM
The absolute best narrative Romney can sculpt out of this is that he was payed a 6 figure salary for 2-3 years while off doing something completely unrelated to the job.  That image wouldn't look good on any candidate, but especially one who is basically campaigning on the back of that private sector experience.

Also, there appears to be documentation supporting both narratives about whether or not he had an active roll in the company. This story could really have legs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 10:22:19 PM
Also as acting CEO he was still responsible for the company. If they had fucked something up royally, his ass would be brought up regardless of whether he was involved in decision making. This whole thing flies in the face of the general justification of CEO salaries. They are the company, if things go bad they get blamed, if things go well they get credit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 12, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
I'd really like to see a "both sides do it" equivalency piece on this

"Obama said he had stopped community organizing in order to run for State Senate, but records show he was VOLUNTEERING WEEKLY."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
"Why doesn't Obama take responsibility for whoever said he was Kenyan while promoting his book?"

at least, that's what to expect on GAF
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 12, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
Helping BLACK PEOPLE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 12, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
I'd really like to see a "both sides do it" equivalency piece on this

"Obama said he had stopped community organizing in order to run for State Senate, but records show he was VOLUNTEERING WEEKLY."

"You can't have an equivalent case because Obama never had to work in the private sector." :smug



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2012, 11:03:57 PM
Actually, the equivalent would probably be the complaint that Obama described himself as a professor at the U of Chicago, when in fact he didn't have tenure and was really just some dude who taught students about constitutional law.

If someone actually brings that up to try to make a serious comparison, I'm awarding myself 20 points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
"Why doesn't Obama take responsibility for whoever said he was Kenyan while promoting his book?"

at least, that's what to expect on GAF

Plagiarist (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39809581&postcount=4956).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 12, 2012, 11:09:24 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Bain
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 12, 2012, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2012, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 12, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
I'd really like to see a "both sides do it" equivalency piece on this

"Obama said he had stopped community organizing in order to run for State Senate, but records show he was VOLUNTEERING WEEKLY."

"You can't have an equivalent case because Obama never had to work in the private sector. :smug"



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 11:49:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on July 12, 2012, 11:07:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
"Why doesn't Obama take responsibility for whoever said he was Kenyan while promoting his book?"

at least, that's what to expect on GAF

Plagiarist (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39809581&postcount=4956).

A GAFer has actually used that argument non-ironically
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 13, 2012, 06:31:52 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/07/13/mitt-romney-demands-an-apology-from-president-obama

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Mitt Romney Demands an Apology from President Obama
posted by PAUL CONSTANT on FRI, JUL 13, 2012 at 3:12 PM
The five Mitt Romney interviews just went live all at once, and the internet is just starting to digest them. Time for a live-Slog!

3:14 PM: Romney has announced that he is only going to release two years' worth of tax returns, saying he has complied with the law. He says, "That's all that's necessary for people to understand something about my finances."

3:15 PM: Sounds like Romney's official line on the Bain deal is that he had no role in Bain Capital after 1999, but he was still a shareholder. This doesn't explain those SEC filings.

3:18 PM: Here's Romney demanding that President Obama apologize for Obama surrogate Stephanie Cutter suggesting that Romney committed a felony:

Asked by Crawford whether he believes Mr. Obama owes him an apology for Cutter's remarks, Romney said, "Absolutely - my goodness!
"What kind of president would have a campaign that says something like that about the nominee of another party?" Romney said. "This is reckless and absurd on his part, and it's something that's beneath his dignity. I hope he recognizes that even fellow Democrats have said that.
"Look - the president needs to talk about the direction he'd take the country, and stop these kinds of ads and attacks that are so disparate from what the American people want to talk about," Romney concluded, adding later that the president "has demeaned the leadership which he should be bringing to this country."

Sounds like a pretty weak response.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2012, 06:36:09 PM
Mitt Romney: Complying with the law and doing the absolute minimum required of him to be president.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2012, 06:41:44 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/obama-romney-bain-buck-stops-with-you.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud3mMj0AZZk
holy shit  :lol

Are democrats running Obama's ad campaign, or did he hire Bush's 2004 folks? That's just brutal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
Since the Fast and Furious stuff didn't really materialize into much, maybe they can talk about Bill Ayers and "Chicago politics" again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 14, 2012, 02:13:12 PM
that fucking ad  :lol

Obama's a fucking pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 14, 2012, 03:41:50 PM
What a fucking loser
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 14, 2012, 04:06:23 PM
Excellent campaign ad.  :lol

Also, the audio editing creates a clever metaphor for Romney's words in that they are hollow and empty.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 14, 2012, 04:10:09 PM
I think it more invokes empty factories and warehouses
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 14, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on July 14, 2012, 04:10:09 PM
I think it more invokes empty factories and warehouses
That too. So essentially it's a double edged metaphor.

Hollow words that echo in empty factories, warehouses, and businesses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 14, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
uh the emoticon should clearly go inside the quotes in your example
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/romneys-free-stuff-speech-is-a-new-low-20120713

I've been doing my best to avoid the 2012 election coverage because it is full of Cheebs-like panic and overanalysis over every stump speech or campaign ad.  Yet I saw this and was :o at the egregious speech that Romney gave to the NAACP.  For a guy who is losing right now in just about every poll, he seems to be doing his best to push away as many people as possible.

Don't blame me though, I voted for Santorum!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2012, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud3mMj0AZZk
holy shit  :lol

Are democrats running Obama's ad campaign, or did he hire Bush's 2004 folks? That's just brutal

(http://i.imgur.com/0imYy.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 14, 2012, 10:38:39 PM
Quote from: Atramental on July 14, 2012, 04:13:16 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on July 14, 2012, 04:10:09 PM
I think it more invokes empty factories and warehouses
That too. So essentially it's a double edged metaphor.

Hollow words that echo in empty factories, warehouses, and businesses.
I thought that was just R-money singing off key.

if they're putting shit out this brutal so dang early, what's their plan for October?  Romney is so fucked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 15, 2012, 01:37:17 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/romneys-free-stuff-speech-is-a-new-low-20120713

I've been doing my best to avoid the 2012 election coverage because it is full of Cheebs-like panic and overanalysis over every stump speech or campaign ad.  Yet I saw this and was :o at the egregious speech that Romney gave to the NAACP.  For a guy who is losing right now in just about every poll, he seems to be doing his best to push away as many people as possible.

Don't blame me though, I voted for Santorum!

That was probably the whole reason he even went to the NAACP. He wanted to get booed so that he can go give the conservative base a treat, since he needs to get them fired up enough to actually show up on election day.

At this point, conservatives will either vote for Romney or not vote at all. And independents will vote mostly based on the economy. The economy is completely out of Romney's hands so he's just going to spend the next few months trying to keep his base happy.

The guy is a flip-flopping Massachusetts politician with hundreds of millions earned from outsourcing. And he's a Mormon. Conservatives are still having a hard time believing he's one of theirs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 15, 2012, 04:53:28 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 14, 2012, 09:06:36 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/romneys-free-stuff-speech-is-a-new-low-20120713

I've been doing my best to avoid the 2012 election coverage because it is full of Cheebs-like panic and overanalysis over every stump speech or campaign ad.  Yet I saw this and was :o at the egregious speech that Romney gave to the NAACP.  For a guy who is losing right now in just about every poll, he seems to be doing his best to push away as many people as possible.

Don't blame me though, I voted for Santorum!

http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/07/the_faces_and_reactions_in_the_audience_as_mitt_romney_delivered_naacp_speech.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 15, 2012, 02:15:44 PM
(http://colorlines.com/archival_images/mittscpeechnaacp02.jpg)

Love the big dude in the hat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Obama should have walked into the building and took a seat in the front row
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 15, 2012, 03:16:44 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2012, 08:46:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2012, 01:29:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud3mMj0AZZk
holy shit  :lol

Are democrats running Obama's ad campaign, or did he hire Bush's 2004 folks? That's just brutal

They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 16, 2012, 12:34:23 AM
I can't believe how much of a crybaby Romney supporters are being about this, calling for Obama to apologize and saying that this demeans the office of the presidency. Especially after all the shit they've been trying to sling Obama's way.

And now they're saying Mitt Romney retired "retroactively". Give me a break.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2012, 08:05:20 AM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/republic-of-the-united-states-of-america-united-states-corporation-randi-johnson.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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In a letter released Friday, Randi Shannon informs supporters of her new position as “U.S. Senator in the Republic of the United States of America.” You see, according to Shannon, the U.S. government has been acting unlawfully as the “‘official government,’ which clearly it is not!”

The libertarian-leaning group she joined claims it “re-inhabited” the government on March 30, 2010. The group claims the “United States Corporation” unlawfully formed in 1871 without the American people’s consent. “Since 1871, the abuses of this corporation upon both the international community as well as the American people are inestimable and unconscionable,” the group’s website claims.

err
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2012, 10:00:56 AM
Ironically, Randi Shannon would not have been able to vote or hold office back in 1871!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2012, 10:28:24 AM
These are the people that think filling out certain forms and capitalizing certain words makes you immune from paying taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 16, 2012, 03:04:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLUyr8beeCg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
Obviously the John Kerry and John McCain campaigns are the recipes for success that you'd wanna base your own presidential run on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2012, 10:21:20 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/16/aide-says-romney-could-announce-vp-pick-by-end-week/


Quote
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney could name his running mate by the end of the week, a top adviser said Monday.

The announcement, if it happens according to the adviser's timetable, would come several weeks before presidential candidates traditionally reveal their picks for the second slot on the ticket. It would also come as Romney's campaign seeks to deflect intensifying criticism from President  Obama, other Democrats and some Republicans over Romney's business record and refusal to release years of personal income tax filings.

Honestly, I have strong feeling it's going to be Giuliani.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 16, 2012, 10:23:51 PM
I'd be surprised if it is a white guy.  It will be either a woman, black, latino, or some combination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2012, 10:32:43 PM
The most likely female choice is Bachmann but she's just too crazy. Choosing a minority accomplishes nothing, he's not going to get a significant amount of black/latino voters no matter what he does.

The advantage of choosing somebody like Giuliani is that he's a relatively moderate pick and the primary issue that he's concerned with is something that Romney hasn't had a chance to flip-flop on yet. If Romney wants to announce his VP right now, it's because he wants somebody who can distract from the Bain attacks but not somebody who will do a million Palinisms by election day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 16, 2012, 10:54:08 PM
Giuliani hasn't been a part of the national conversation since late 2007 though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2012, 11:02:04 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 16, 2012, 10:54:08 PM
Giuliani hasn't been a part of the national conversation since late 2007 though

Which is why he'll be a good distraction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 16, 2012, 11:04:54 PM
man i missed am nintendos contributions to this thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 16, 2012, 11:05:10 PM
Giuliani's pro-choice.  He will not be the VP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 16, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
.

:derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
Guliani and Rice are pro choice, they won't be on the ticket...

Pawlenty or Portman brehs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 16, 2012, 11:20:25 PM
Kelly Ayotte desperately wants to be VP.  I guess we'll see if Romney and Co. indulges her or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 17, 2012, 12:21:02 AM
Maybe it'll be Perry. :O

Also, your daily dose of Godwin:

Quote from: Pam Gellar
Every movement needs a minority group to scapegoat for nation’s troubles.USSR it was bourgeoisie; Germany,the Jews; in US, its businessmen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2012, 12:43:46 AM
So, basically what she's saying there is that raising the tax rate for billionaires is equivalent to the Final Solution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2012, 12:49:20 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2012, 12:43:46 AM
So, basically what she's saying there is that raising the tax rate for billionaires is equivalent to the Final Solution.

It's in reference to an out of context quote republicans are running with right now
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/07/16/525181/conservatives-selectively-edit-obamas-speech-to-claim-he-hates-small-businesses/

Basically the same argument Elizabeth Warren made earlier this year: everyone in the US has benefited from a social institution, be it schools or police protection or construction - thus we all "make it" in America together, and therefore should be invested in keeping those same institutions going for future generations. A rather tame argument but easy to misconstrue with charges of socialism.

In short, another stupid attack. Rush has made some headlines today by saying Obama's comments clearly demonstrate he hates America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2012, 01:05:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
Guliani and Rice are pro choice, they won't be on the ticket...

Pawlenty or Portman brehs

Pretty much, the only other options I see him choosing are Ryan or Rubio and they're both long shots.

Romney is not going to choose someone out of left field or "interesting" because he's not that kind of guy.  He's going to pick someone boring from a swing state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2012, 01:55:14 AM
bets on rubio
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2012, 03:20:23 AM
Ron Paul

(http://i.imgur.com/Vh0yc.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2012, 03:47:38 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-tears-into-romneys-weak-bain-capital-tax-return-defense/

(http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2012, 10:24:37 AM
Quote
In 2008, Bain Capital acquired Clear Channel Radio and 850 radio stations for $24 billion, and records show 14 of the company's directors have contributed more than $700,000 to Romney's campaigns. Romney left the firm in 1999, but still rakes in millions from his sizable share of Bain investments and pays 15 percent tax.

Romney's Bain Capital controls the board of directors of Clear Channel.  These are people who started giving to Romney in 1994. This is a social and economic network that is deeply involved in Clear Channel and tightly controlled. These are Romney's friends and allies going back to the very beginning of his political career.  And now they control Clear Channel Radio, America's largest and most powerful FM and AM radio station corporation.  It operates 850 radio stations and reaches 110 million Americans. 

Clear Channel syndicates most conservative talk radio shows including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Michael Savage.  And what about all that "free" advertising that Romney gets every day on hundreds of radio stations across the country on these talk shows?  What better way to control the message of conservative talk radio than to BUY it?  Rush Limbaugh was given a $400 million contract in 2008 when Bain Capital purchased Clear Channel.  He broadcasts on over 600 radio stations.  Sean Hannity is heard on over 500 stations by 13.5 million listeners.  Hannity also received a new and lucrative contract when Bain purchased Clear Channel in 2008.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/26/1095014/-Bain-Capital-and-Mitt-Romney-s-Best-Kept-Secret-Clear-Channel-Radio
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2012, 10:39:11 AM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-tears-into-romneys-weak-bain-capital-tax-return-defense/

Horse Prom :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2012, 12:44:47 PM
Quote
The concept of “retroactive retirement” is well-established. Ben Affleck retroactively retired from the cast of “Gigli,” thus restoring his bankability as a movie star. As the journalist Matt Yglesias recalled, Michael Jordan retroactively retired from his two seasons playing for the Washington Wizards, and thereby preserved his basketball legacy. The director Julie Taymor retroactively retired as director of “Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark,” when it was an infamous Broadway flop; she then retroactively unretired when the show became a hit. (The matter is now in litigation.)

The criticism of Romney is especially unjust because, after all, he has retroactively retired from other jobs besides the one he held at Bain Capital—Governor of Massachusetts, for instance. During his term in office, Romney sponsored a health-care law with an individual mandate. As Romney said when he signed the law, on April 13, 2006, “Today, Massachusetts is leading the way with health insurance for everyone.” Later, when he began running for the Republican nomination for President, he retroactively retired from that position and said, “what works in one state may not be the answer for another.” Romney thus has a record of consistency in his commitment to retroactive retirement. (Ryan Lizza has written about his mastery of the technique.) Retroactive retirement should not be confused with retrofitted retirement, which is currently being considered by Anthony Weiner, the former congressman who left office amid certain Internet unpleasantness.

The principle of retroactive retirement is also different from that of prospective retirement. Prospective retirement was pioneered by the columnist and conservative legend William F. Buckley, when he ran for mayor of New York, in 1965. When asked what he would do if he won, Buckley replied, “Demand a recount.” Buckley’s prospective retirement from the mayoralty is a variation on a sentiment best expressed by Groucho Marx: “I don’t want to belong to any club that would accept me as a member.”

Then there is introspective retirement (Greta Garbo); consecutive retirement (Brett Favre); hyperactive retirement (Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton); and hypoactive retirement (George W. Bush).

Notwithstanding Gillespie’s clarification, the Romney campaign still appears to be struggling with its explanations of the candidate’s business career. This process is also not a problem. Under the theory of retroactivity, the Romney team can keep coming up with explanations until it finds one that works. This process continues, prospectively.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/07/mitt-romney-bain-capital-retirement.html

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Polyh3dron on July 17, 2012, 04:39:02 PM
good lawd

from Romney's official YouTube channel today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxSOwOrUKb4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 17, 2012, 06:58:08 PM
whelp i'm switching my vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
Good thing I don't have a business. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 17, 2012, 10:13:33 PM
By October, Fox News will have Romney down as "Mitt Romney (D)"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 03:37:13 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23retroactively

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 04:00:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLo0Jwj03JU
damn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 18, 2012, 04:28:53 AM
What a video, almost shed a tear. You should check out what old Donnie Box (the guy from the video) has been saying about Obama lately. Feel free and google away.  While you are there google up Nancy Pelosi+Asian Investment Group+Millions.






Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 04:32:09 AM
Actually Donnie Box is from another video, but I am familiar with him not being an Obama fan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 18, 2012, 04:34:15 AM
My bad, all them old white dudes look alike.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 04:35:41 AM
And I'm looking into the Pelosi stuff, although I wouldn't be surprised if Brietbart is right tbh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 18, 2012, 04:43:07 AM
Most of em are crooks no matter the side of the isle.  I just wish sometimes younger folks would take the time to realize this. I really do slap myself on the head anytime I dare to read a political post over at that other place that banned be many moons ago.

How in the heck has Obama not canned Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the DNC chair. Lies, damn lies and then anything that pops out of this crazy woman's mouth. if you are going to throw stones at Romney, how about not having an unreported home and also investments overseas.

Makes me want to vote for a Turd Sandwich.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 06:26:58 AM
DWS is definitely an idiot. One of the most incompetent democrats in a position of power I've ever seen. Absolutely useless in most of her interviews.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 18, 2012, 06:46:01 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 06:26:58 AM
DWS is definitely an idiot. One of the most incompetent democrats in a position of power I've ever seen. Absolutely useless in most of her interviews.


That's gold, Jerry! Gold!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQk6Eg1tMT8
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 06:53:22 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 18, 2012, 06:28:40 AM
She isn't as inane as Priebus though.

Priebus is just a fucking scumbag.

And he's not nearly as lovable as Michael Steele was.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2012, 10:17:12 AM
Oh snap, something's going down in Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/world/meast/syria-unrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Rebels bombed a building where a lot of regime's top brass where meeting and took out the Defense Minister, Deputy Defense Minister, and the Assistant Vice President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 18, 2012, 10:33:26 AM
More than that. It's war on the streets of Damascus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 18, 2012, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on July 18, 2012, 06:46:01 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 06:26:58 AM
DWS is definitely an idiot. One of the most incompetent democrats in a position of power I've ever seen. Absolutely useless in most of her interviews.


That's gold, Jerry! Gold!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQk6Eg1tMT8

she looks like my ex in 20 years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 11:45:32 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 06:26:58 AM
DWS is definitely an idiot. One of the most incompetent democrats in a position of power I've ever seen. Absolutely useless in most of her interviews.

Meanwhile Howard Dean built a 50 state strategy that helped democrats win everywhere, yet was still thrown under the bus because he hurt the feelings of Washington assholes. DWS got the job as a favor to the Clintons, but Obams should have stuck with the proven person
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 18, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
It sucks that one of the few Democrats with energy and a fire under his ass was so quickly shamed by his party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 18, 2012, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 18, 2012, 10:52:01 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on July 18, 2012, 06:46:01 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 18, 2012, 06:26:58 AM
DWS is definitely an idiot. One of the most incompetent democrats in a position of power I've ever seen. Absolutely useless in most of her interviews.


That's gold, Jerry! Gold!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQk6Eg1tMT8

she looks like my ex in 20 years

Heh, Elizabeth Warren looks like my ex in 20 years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2012, 12:29:27 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/how-the-romney-campaign-decided-to-take-the-gloves

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"[Romney] has said Obama's a nice fellow, he's just in over his head," the adviser said. "But I think the governor himself believes this latest round of attacks that have impugned his integrity and accused him of being a felon go so far beyond that pale that he's really disappointed. He believes it's time to vet the president. He really hasn't been vetted; McCain didn't do it."

really?  This is what they have?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
Sounds like Syria is getting destroyed right now  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 18, 2012, 12:29:27 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/how-the-romney-campaign-decided-to-take-the-gloves

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"[Romney] has said Obama's a nice fellow, he's just in over his head," the adviser said. "But I think the governor himself believes this latest round of attacks that have impugned his integrity and accused him of being a felon go so far beyond that pale that he's really disappointed. He believes it's time to vet the president. He really hasn't been vetted; McCain didn't do it."

really?  This is what they have?

Why I'll bet no one ever even thought to check whether he was really born in the United States or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 18, 2012, 01:12:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
Sounds like Syria is getting destroyed right now  :-\

Oldest city in the world  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 18, 2012, 01:13:07 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/18/star-wars-actor-mark-hamill-romney-only-imitates-human-behavior/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/18/star-wars-actor-mark-hamill-romney-only-imitates-human-behavior/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2012/07/18/rush-limbaughs-right-the-dark-knight-rises-is-a-pro-obama-plot

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2012, 01:31:14 PM
http://www.metafilter.com/118022/This-is-what-rape-culture-looks-like

i guess they're called Mounties for a reason?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2012, 01:53:14 PM
Good job digging up that original effective oppo research! It will be hilarious if they start banging the JEREMIAH WRIGHT drum once more

Remember: you ARE responsible for things your pastor says, but you AREN'T responsible for things your company does while you are CEO, chairman, president and sole shareholder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 18, 2012, 05:21:08 PM
Quote from: Eric P on July 18, 2012, 01:31:14 PM
http://www.metafilter.com/118022/This-is-what-rape-culture-looks-like

i guess they're called Mounties for a reason?

Dude, if we're going to include RCMP scandals in this thread, that's just the tip of a very large iceberg. :lol



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 18, 2012, 05:32:28 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on July 18, 2012, 01:53:14 PM
Good job digging up that original effective oppo research! It will be hilarious if they start banging the JEREMIAH WRIGHT drum once more

Remember: you ARE responsible for things your pastor says, but you AREN'T responsible for things your company does while you are CEO, chairman, president and sole shareholder.

annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2012, 06:02:34 PM
It's like republicans don't remember 2008. Am I crazy for remembering the amount of heat Obama faced over Wright in the primaries, and how for a few moments it truly was going to sink his campaign? Of course, Obama addressed the issue openly with a pretty monumental speech that discussed race in an adult fashion rarely seen; needless to say, conservatives did not participate in that conversation, and instead continued to embarrass themselves with stupid opinions ("Obama threw his grandmother under the bus!").

Of course, Wright later wound up personally injecting himself into the campaign by making more ignorant comments, which forced Obama to completely disown and condemn him.

Then there's the Ayers story, which McCain's camp ran with, PACs made ads about, and was discussed in interviews and debates. Same with the Rezko story, and every other fringe attack McCain's camp hurled at Obama. Guess what? He still won  :lol

Basically when republicans pull the vetting card, they're really just pulling the "what do we REALLY know about Obama" card regardless of the evidence. Never mind the guy ran for president for a year and a half, wrote a memoir, has been in the public spotlight since 2006, etc etc etc. He's clearly hiding something and the media won't tell us what it is!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 18, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
cant wait for the eventual moment when a republican forgets to keep dancing around the issue and just flat-out says "YOU JUST CANT TRUST BLACK PEOPLE, RIGHT"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 18, 2012, 07:15:27 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/07/18/mitt-romneys-getting-slimy

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Mitt Romney's Getting Slimy
posted by PAUL CONSTANT on WED, JUL 18, 2012 at 2:31 PM
This BuzzFeed story suggests that Mitt Romney is about to hit President Obama with everything he's got:

In speeches from Des Moines to Dallas, Romney has always been careful to hedge his tough digs at Obama with a civil nod toward the president's moral character: "He's a nice guy," the Republican has often said. "He just has no idea how the private economy works." But Tuesday's speech included no such hedge — and one campaign adviser said there's a reason for that. "[Romney] has said Obama's a nice fellow, he's just in over his head," the adviser said. "But I think the governor himself believes this latest round of attacks that have impugned his integrity and accused him of being a felon go so far beyond that pale that he's really disappointed. He believes it's time to vet the president. He really hasn't been vetted; McCain didn't do it...I mean, this is a guy who admitted to cocaine use, had a sweetheart deal with his house in Chicago, and was associated and worked with Rod Blagojevich to get Valerie Jarrett appointed to the Senate," the adviser said. "The bottom line is there'll be counterattacks."

The thing I'm getting from this story (and others like it) is that Romney's feelings were genuinely hurt by the Bain attacks. Which is remarkable for one reason: It means that Romney didn't see the Bain attacks coming. How do you run a presidential campaign at that level and not see those sorts of attacks coming? If this Huffington Post story is true, Romney "never would have gone forward with his run for president" if he knew that his tax returns would be this much of an issue. This is either a case of tremendous arrogance or tremendous stupidity.

The problem with these anti-Obama attacks, and with going for a Breitbartian "vetting" of the president, is that issues from before he was elected were basically settled on the day he was elected. You don't get a do-over in presidential politics. You don't get to dig up issues that were already considered and rejected by voters, to convince them to go over those same issues again. The best you can hope for is to rile up the conservative base into even more of a froth, and maybe to turn away people from the polls with how disgusting the race is getting. But I'm not even convinced of the Romney campaign's ability to plan that kind of triangulation; I think they're just swinging wild at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 18, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
I think the guy here says it best:

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2012/07/dead-andy-breitbart-is-now-romneys-top.html

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What Romney is really doing -- as I've been saying for days -- is trying to placate his rabid base, and also his big donors, who may be zillionaires but are still angry old white male cranks who constantly watch Fox News just like all the other angry old white male cranks in America.

The base and the donors just can't believe that all these timeworn lines of attack are unpersuasive to swing voters -- Valerie Jarrett and Fast and Furious make their blood boil, so surely the rest of the public must feel the same way, right? The public just doesn't know! It's because Obama wasn't vetted! The lie-beral media didn't do its job four years ago!

There's a certain segment of the population (older and white) who think that IF ONLY EVERYONE KNEW ALL THE SHIT I JUST GOT IN THIS CHAIN EMAIL WE'D BE OVERTHROWING THIS KENYAN MUSLIN SOSHILUST TYRANT! 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 18, 2012, 07:17:20 PM
"Tremendous arrogance or tremendous stupidity."

I like it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2012, 09:10:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 18, 2012, 07:17:20 PM
"Tremendous arrogance or tremendous stupidity."

I like it.

I don't like this line because it implies that it couldn't be both.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
Saying that Romney's feeling were hurt implies that robots can have feelings and that's a dangerous line to cross.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2012, 11:37:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8v-zcca-Ds
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 18, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 18, 2012, 11:37:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8v-zcca-Ds

Was that The Daily Show or Anderson Cooper?

McCarthyism 2.0.

Holy shit, people actually elect those whackjobs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2012, 12:05:05 AM
Gotta give McCain dap for calling Bachman out on the senate floor. It's a shame this shit is tolerable when aimed at Muslims and Arabs, whereas similar comments aimed at other groups would trigger a larger outrage/condemnation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 19, 2012, 12:07:45 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2012, 12:05:05 AM
Gotta give McCain dap for calling Bachman out on the senate floor. It's a shame this shit is tolerable when aimed at Muslims and Arabs, whereas similar comments aimed at other groups would trigger a larger outrage/condemnation.

Yeah, McCain should be commended for rejecting some serious racist bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2012, 12:38:51 AM
Yeah, but Anderson Cooper has known links to the Gay Brotherhood, which has infiltrated the highest ranks of the US government to enact gay laws.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 19, 2012, 01:52:37 AM
I'm less than a minute into this video, and... Huma Abedin?  Who's married to (Jewish) Anthony Weiner?

Rilly?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2012, 01:56:39 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 19, 2012, 01:52:37 AM
I'm less than a minute into this video, and... Huma Abedin?  Who's married to (Jewish) Anthony Weiner?

Rilly?

Maybe he makes great chicken
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 19, 2012, 01:57:27 AM
If I had to choose a dude, it would be Anderson Cooper. No other guy comes close.

Quote from: Mandark on July 19, 2012, 01:52:37 AM
I'm less than a minute into this video, and... Huma Abedin?  Who's married to (Jewish) Anthony Weiner?

Rilly?

heh, remember the Huma-Hillary lesbian rumors in 2008?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2012, 02:03:08 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 19, 2012, 01:52:37 AM
I'm less than a minute into this video, and... Huma Abedin?  Who's married to (Jewish) Anthony Weiner?

The perfect cover.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 19, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
It's a good thing Obamacare expands coverage for mental health services. There are a lot of conservatives who need to get their head checked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 19, 2012, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 19, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
It's a good thing Obamacare expands coverage for mental health services. There are a lot of conservatives who need to get their head checked.

Lobotomies for Liberals?

Another one bites the dust.
http://www.lvrj.com/business/amonix-closes-north-las-vegas-solar-plant-after-14-months-heavy-federal-subsidies-162901626.html

Guess that helps explain this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/us-jobless-claims-rose-by-34000-to-386000-reversing-big-drop-caused-by-seasonal-factors/2012/07/19/gJQA8travW_story.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHITbssu9RE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2012, 06:39:05 PM
They shouldn't have let amir0x run their solar power plant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2012, 10:15:47 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on July 19, 2012, 06:06:25 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 19, 2012, 09:21:52 AM
It's a good thing Obamacare expands coverage for mental health services. There are a lot of conservatives who need to get their head checked.
Lobotomies for Liberals?

Define liberal. I guess we can start with non-mouth breather.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 20, 2012, 04:15:25 PM
Go watch MSNBC if you need a definition. I have better things to do than provide you information you already know.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2012, 04:18:42 PM
Every 24 hour cable news channel is a joke. Next.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 20, 2012, 04:18:59 PM
watchout zero. you got a real badass on your hands.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 20, 2012, 04:50:54 PM
NAH, I am really just a big sweetie.   :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2012, 11:44:23 PM
Isn't this bdoughy guy the one who said some racist stuff and then got all huffy when someone called him on it and left?  Couldn't we have just gotten siamesedreamer back or something?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2012, 12:09:24 AM
I always liked sd.  As a cancer survivor, he had an intimate knowledge of just how screwed up the health care industry in the country was, and watching him do mental gymnastics to justify not doing anything about it was always pretty delicious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 21, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
we ALWAYS have one idiot libertopian in the rotation hereabouts. ALWAYS. personally, i preferred the heady days of foc and RONPAUL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2012, 01:36:05 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 21, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
we ALWAYS have one idiot libertopian in the rotation hereabouts. ALWAYS. personally, i preferred the heady days of foc and RONPAUL.

Those really were the days.  Of course, "they exist because they do" is a good second fiddle, but nothing will ever beat the melt point part of the ol' shitheap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 21, 2012, 01:59:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 20, 2012, 11:44:23 PM
Isn't this bdoughy guy the one who said some racist stuff and then got all huffy when someone called him on it and left?  Couldn't we have just gotten siamesedreamer back or something?

What a memory, that was two years ago and I only left because I needed a break from the same crap that happened at neogaf when someone thinks different than "the hive." I came back last year and started posting again.  If you must know, I had a relapse of my disease (Wegener's granulomatosis) and I took a bit of time off from posting here and limited myself to a place I have been posting for years and knew the people personally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 03:09:03 AM
I normally don't request such things, but this NEEDS to be added to the emoticon list:

(http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/9/0/beck.001.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 22, 2012, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on July 21, 2012, 01:59:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 20, 2012, 11:44:23 PM
Isn't this bdoughy guy the one who said some racist stuff and then got all huffy when someone called him on it and left?  Couldn't we have just gotten siamesedreamer back or something?

What a memory, that was two years ago and I only left because I needed a break from the same crap that happened at neogaf when someone thinks different than "the hive." I came back last year and started posting again.  If you must know, I had a relapse of my disease (Wegener's granulomatosis) and I took a bit of time off from posting here and limited myself to a place I have been posting for years and knew the people personally.

I just read the wikipedia about that and fuck... My condolences, disease sounds really rough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 22, 2012, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 03:09:03 AM
I normally don't request such things, but this NEEDS to be added to the emoticon list:

(http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/9/0/beck.001.gif)

:wtf

Oh, filename. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on July 22, 2012, 05:05:15 PM
Quote from: tiesto on July 22, 2012, 11:17:38 AM
I just read the wikipedia about that and fuck... My condolences, disease sounds really rough.

Appreciate that, it sucks having a rare disease to begin with. Then to find out it was named after a Nazi doctor who is suspected of performing experiments in concentration camps.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/health/22dise.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Thought this was amusing:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/07/glenn-reynolds-demonstrates-how-to-avoid-politicizing-a-tragedy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 23, 2012, 06:00:42 PM
whelp

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7mq7rqhWo1qdi57do1_1280.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7mq7rqhWo1qdi57do2_1280.jpg)

Meet Mindy Meyer, a 22-year-old Republican and Conservative candidate for State Senate in Brooklyn.

http://azipaybarah.tumblr.com/post/27853014206/yes-this-is-from-a-real-campaign-web-site-meet

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"To be honest with you, the reason why I initially wanted to attend law school is because I'd watched Legally Blonde and saw Elle Woods," Meyer continues. "She showed me you could go to Harvard and make it sophisticated. Pink is my favorite color, so that's technically my inspiration, everything pink."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
Yes, the great inspirational documentary Legally Blonde.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 23, 2012, 06:59:45 PM
Technically
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 23, 2012, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 22, 2012, 07:04:02 PM
Thought this was amusing:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/07/glenn-reynolds-demonstrates-how-to-avoid-politicizing-a-tragedy

Isn't LGM itself being politically opportunistic in pointing out when others are being politically opportunistic in pointing at political opportunism? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2012, 07:16:28 PM
Wall of text, lots of quotes, going after an idiot rightwing blogger?  Yeah, that's one of Scott Erick Kaufman's posts.  He's a smart guy but all he writes are things like that and shot-by-shot breakdowns of Mad Men episodes.  I basically read the blog for Lemieux and Farley's posts.

I mean, anyone who takes Instapundit seriously in 2012 isn't going to be reached by argument at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2012, 07:20:14 PM
Do these bloggers bust their guns when they see other on the streets of DC, NY, and LA? All this animosity...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2012, 07:46:28 PM
Oh Mittens:

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112968/-Romney-relies-on-business-helped-by-government-to-claim-businesses-don-t-need-help-from-government

http://dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112888/-Mitt-Romney-holds-you-didn-t-build-that-event-with-federal-contractors

Bootstrappin! Rugged individualism! Freedom!

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112799/-Romney-to-Olympians-You-didn-t-get-here-solely-on-your-own
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2012, 08:04:11 PM
 :lol

all too easy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2012, 08:07:08 PM
Romney just can't catch a break.

Just today he was meeting with "self made" businessmen, including government contractors  and businessmen who received federal loans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112799/-Romney-to-Olympians-You-didn-t-get-here-solely-on-your-own

All we need now is a video of Romney praising Jeremiah Wright, and we're set.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 23, 2012, 08:17:10 PM
Even his flaks in the media suck at helping him:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/07/kathleen-parker-businesses-taking.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2012, 08:23:56 PM
Most of those olympians are probably welfare queens, swimming in public pools and running on public roads like a bunch of communists. Not like Mitt's beloved Rafalca Romney, who never leaves the Romney's palatial estate and only eats the finest imported swiss grass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 23, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2012, 08:07:08 PM
Romney just can't catch a break.

Just today he was meeting with "self made" businessmen, including government contractors  and businessmen who received federal loans.

Yeah, but can you really fault them for that? I mean, the argument that a libertarian would make is that if the federal government wasn't giving these contracts, then local government/private corporations would step in to fill those services which is an argument that falls into a rabbit hole of bs but it is what they would say.

I don't think he'll be able to claim to be "self-made" by the time November comes around though. All of his advantages at birth and hypocrisy in policies will be well known to the average voter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2012, 12:10:59 AM
Quote from: am nintenho on July 23, 2012, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2012, 08:07:08 PM
Romney just can't catch a break.

Just today he was meeting with "self made" businessmen, including government contractors  and businessmen who received federal loans.

Yeah, but can you really fault them for that?

...yes?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 24, 2012, 12:33:46 AM
Okay, good for you Judge Judy. When they bring out hypotheticals and circular logic, you can't exactly convince them by just pointing out that they're wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 24, 2012, 12:30:35 PM
http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20120724/conservatives-complain-beauty-pageants-have-liberal-bias-create-miss-conservative-event/

Quote
Conservatives Complain Beauty Pageants Have Liberal Bias, Create “Miss Conservative” Event

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp35DnqOsAo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2012, 01:51:57 PM
We already know who the winner is gonna be:

http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20120722/tampa-strip-club-hires-palin-lookalike-for-gop-convention/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 24, 2012, 05:44:41 PM
This is absolutely glorious:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/07/idiot-wall-street-journal-columnist.html

Basically some dipshit writer for the WSJ tried to diminish the credit the government should receive for creating the internet (which he claims it didn't), and writes a stupid article where two of the key people he cites refuted him the next day. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 02:10:59 AM
Whoops!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9424524/Mitt-Romney-would-restore-Anglo-Saxon-relations-between-Britain-and-America.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 02:26:26 AM
yeah, that is a whopper

'English-speaking white people, UNITE against these darkies'. Mitt may have to disavow that advisor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on July 25, 2012, 02:49:29 AM
Quote
"...and he feels that the special relationship is special"

Well then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2012, 02:51:10 AM
anonymous adviser  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 25, 2012, 07:46:06 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on July 18, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
cant wait for the eventual moment when a republican forgets to keep dancing around the issue and just flat-out says "YOU JUST CANT TRUST BLACK PEOPLE, RIGHT"

well that didnt take long
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 02:26:26 AM
yeah, that is a whopper

'English-speaking white people, UNITE against these darkies'. Mitt may have to disavow that advisor.

how does one disavow an anonymous advisor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2012, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 02:26:26 AM
yeah, that is a whopper

'English-speaking white people, UNITE against these darkies'. Mitt may have to disavow that advisor.

how does one disavow an anonymous advisor?

Anonymously?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 25, 2012, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2012, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 02:26:26 AM
yeah, that is a whopper

'English-speaking white people, UNITE against these darkies'. Mitt may have to disavow that advisor.

how does one disavow an anonymous advisor?

Anonymously?

Retroactively.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 25, 2012, 11:45:40 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 25, 2012, 11:50:49 AM
Romney also retroactively resigned from the SLC Olympics before the shredding all the documents about other things that didn't happen but if they did he definitely wasn't involved in them. Man is a wizard! The space-time continuum is putty in his hands.

Quote
“Transparency? There was none with [the Salt Lake Organizing Committee] when he was there,” said Kenneth Bullock, a committee member who represented the Utah League of Cities and Towns. “Their transparency became a black hole. It was nonexistent.”

According to Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul, “Mitt Romney resigned from SLOC in early 2002 to run for governor of Massachusetts and was not involved in the decision-making regarding the final disposition of records.”

http://articles.boston.com/2012-07-24/nation/32805512_1_mitt-romney-andrea-saul-romney-campaign-spokeswoman
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 11:55:47 AM
Boy, Mitt sure is good at resigning from jobs!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2012, 12:46:40 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/poll-obama-maintains-his-massive-lead-among-latinos--1

Quote
The poll — based on an oversample from Tuesday night’s NBC/WSJ survey — shows Obama earning the support of 67 percent of Latino voters nationwide, easily trumping Mitt Romney, who earns the support of just 23 percent.

waka waka, bitches
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/25/1113549/-What-s-fatty-and-greasy-and-pretends-to-be-a-teenage-girl-on-the-internet

Influencing multi million dollar companies yet I'm not an icon smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 06:51:37 PM
I've still never had Chick-Fil-A...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2012, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 06:51:37 PM
I've still never had Chick-Fil-A...
You're not missing out on much.

Now Zaxby's... that's another story. *drool*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
The only Chick-Fil-A in Washington state is up in Bellingham on the campus of Western Washington University. It's in the student dining hall and you have to be a student to eat at it.`
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8019/7645078102_1773c53eef.jpg)

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on July 25, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 25, 2012, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2012, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 02:26:26 AM
yeah, that is a whopper

'English-speaking white people, UNITE against these darkies'. Mitt may have to disavow that advisor.

how does one disavow an anonymous advisor?

Anonymously?

Retroactively.

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2012, 12:34:15 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 06:51:37 PM
I've still never had Chick-Fil-A...

I've only eaten there once, and it was like 2 months ago. If I never eat there again, it's not major loss.


In other news, I can't get enough of these type of stories:

Quote
The A.D. Morgan Corporation employs 50 people and has annual revenues of about $80 million, according to its website. The company lists more than 130 projects and developments. Impressive, no doubt. But the list is nearly all government projects. [...]

"We're not going to have an opportunity in the private sector, they have a tendency to use lump sum, low bid," Smith said, explaining how government bids work. "So by virtue of what it is that we do, we go to the client base that purchases construction services that way."

More lols:

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As for Ramos, his company's Facebook page describes Value Enterprise Solutions as "providing value added service/education to businesses, local government, federal government, Department of Defense, and industry contract organizations." [...]
In the Air Force for 24 years, Ramos dismissed the role it played in providing him the training and expertise to run his business today.

"It wasn't handed to me," Ramos said. "I worked my butt off. My military experience taught me integrity. But that didn't come from the government."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/25/1113668/-Romney-again-uses-government-contracting-businesses-to-say-government-doesn-t-help-businesses (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/25/1113668/-Romney-again-uses-government-contracting-businesses-to-say-government-doesn-t-help-businesses)

:usacryeagle etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2012, 12:36:29 AM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/obama-calls-for-gun-control-after-colorado.php?ref=fpa

sigh... i just feel like this has the potential to be a huge mistake, politically
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2012, 12:55:18 AM
Looking forward to the next wave of comments on Van Cruncheon's FB (for some reason a gathering place for heavily armed libruls) explaining that Democrats need to not just forsake the idea of gun control, but loudly shout it down!

In all seriousness, Obama's playing this as safe as you can on that issue, couching everything in the language of law enforcement and respect for soldiers.  Some people will see this as a sign that he's going to have the government confiscate all guns, ammo, and sharp objects, but those people were already convinced that three years of inaction was proof of an even more devious anti-firearm plan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 12:58:28 AM
who says libtards aren't bloodthirsty
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:00:47 AM
seriously, though, it seems really facile and almost fetishistic to argue that GUNZ are the problem when the pathology points to a problem that's entirely cultural.

GUNZ, the new DEATH TOTEM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2012, 01:02:57 AM
I want to be on Drinky's FB friend list. :/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2012, 01:07:06 AM
I was a bit hesitant when I read the headline about Obama tackling gun control today, but reading his comments...I'm not seeing anything controversial here. Which should make the right's freak out even more pathetic.

I'd imagine Obama will eventually push for some compromise that doesn't include re-instating the assault weapons ban. And it'll be filibustered
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2012, 02:58:28 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:00:47 AM
seriously, though, it seems really facile and almost fetishistic to argue that GUNZ are the problem when the pathology points to a problem that's entirely cultural.

GUNZ, the new DEATH TOTEM

Just like it would be disingenuous to imply that people were ignoring all other factors in saying guns were "the problem"!  Real talk, I had some issues with that FB thread a few months ago but kept out cause hell, I don't know these people.  To sum up:

Cruncheon says hey, there are a lot of white dudes in rural areas who aren't evangelicals, and have a pretty live-and-let live view of life.  They don't vote Democratic cause they're worried that liberals are out to take away their guns and basically threaten their way of life.  If the Dems give up any even symbolic gestures towards gun control, they could pick up a lot of these votes!

From there you get a bunch of white dudes who like guns saying "yeah, for purely practical reasons, it's in the Democratic Party's best interests to appeal to white dudes who like guns!"

So here's the thing. Conceding that serious changes to gun regulation have been off the table since about forever, ending the symbolic part would mean repudiating gun control activists, and letting them know that their cause isn't welcome in the Democratic party. Not just national organizations like the Brady Campaign, but local jurisdictions that try to deal with things on a county or municipal level.

In concrete terms, we're talking about going to the Democratic Party of Washington DC and saying "Hey guys, I know you had a handgun law overturned by the Supreme Court recently.  That sucked. Anyhoo, as loyal Democrats we're going to ask you not to pull that shit in the future. I know it might be important to your constituency, but we figure since you guys get no Congressional representation and only get tenuous self-rule locally anyways, they're used to being disenfranchised. Don't worry, it's all in a good cause: so the national party can win white votes in districts far from your or any other city! Thanks for understanding."

I know that "privilege" gets used like a rhetorical cudgel in intra-librul online sissyfights, but... well, I'm bothered by how easily progressives of a certain mindset and cultural niche can wind up appointing themselves as arbiters of what is Important to liberalism and what isn't, and then somehow not realize that they're advocating the same strategic retreat and triangulating that they cry about when its their own pet issue (ie the public option) getting traded away for votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2012, 10:33:38 AM
I can see why gun control is an important platform for the Democratic base considering only 21% of Democrats think that protecting gun rights is more important than gun control.  However, I'm part of the 21% although I would be for certain changes to gun control laws (mostly more mandatory classes, etc).  But I would be hard pressed to vote for any candidate whose platform is based on gun control or an assault rifle ban.  I'd probably sit home and not vote at all.  That 21% along with the (lol) independents will make their voices heard and definitely have an effect on any race considering they believe very strongly in it. 

And for example, an assault rifle ban seems to enbody the same type of willful ignorance you mentioned, Mandark.  Instead of trying to tackle the tough issues at the root of the problem we're going to keep cutting off branches and hope the problem stops growing.  It seems to be a denial that any other factor is influencing shooting sprees, it's just all those gunz!1 Especially since real life experience has shown us that the ban in 1994 effectively did nothing to curb violence. 

But again, I do see why it's important to the party's base.  It just puts Democrats like myself in an awkward partnership with the rest of the party when I know many of them would actually love to see something that means a lot to me done away with. 

Edit: To clarify, I'm not really arguing with you.  I'm just stating how awkward it is to be a gun lover and a Democrat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2012, 10:46:58 AM
Another thing that's extremely frustrating with owning guns as a Democrat is the sheer amount of ignorance regarding them.  Especially when it's from a party that seems to pride itself on being more informed and of logic on issues.  Reading the GAF threads about gun control is unbearable.  And it's precisely that reason why I believe most gun control measures would be so ineffective and only really harm law abiding owners.  If you don't take the time to understand something then how can you effectively regulate it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 26, 2012, 11:14:57 AM
I'm a pro-gun "Democrat" as well but don't tell anyone on GAF.  :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2012, 11:26:42 AM
i'm very pro gun.
but i don't now nor have i ever owned a gun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
I don't really have an issue with people owning guns, it's the absolute ignorant defense of the second amendment that pisses me off.  The fact that some stock up on a shitload of weapons because they think they're a "militia" is just  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
yeah, the second amendment defense is bullshit. i've always railed on it. it's an almost meaningless amendment these days, and is held up by dogmatics on the paranoid right solely because it seems convenient.

my problem with gun control is that it solves nothing. it's a lot of heat and noise; a left-wing railing against the DEATH TOTEM that is a gun. it's their own culture war.

you can have a society with strict gun laws that has no violence (Japan), and you can have a society with little-to-no gun regulation that ALSO has no violence (Switzerland). the problem is that we are a fractured and divisive society with a terrible public mental health infrastructure. taking or limiting gun ownership away is an abdication of the core problem: that crazy people are easily alienated from society and then fed media messaging that confirms their paranoid schizophrenia or psychopathy. if these killers hadn't had guns, they could have detonated a fertilizer bomb or found some other way of lashing out against the society they believe is conspiring to destroy them and their values.

guns are strictly totemic, and until libtards acknowledge that problem, they'll continue to sound incredibly shrill on the subject. OH GOD NO, GIT THAT GUN AWAY FROM ME, OUT OF MY HOUSE IT WILL KILL US ALLLLLLLLLL.

people kill other people. it's not the how that ultimately matters, it's the why.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2012, 01:20:08 PM
I just fail to see why regular people need access to automatic or semi-automatic weapons.  There are only two reasons I can think of:  1) "they're cool and I want them!" and 2) to kill people.  1) isn't a good enough reason to outweigh 2).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on July 26, 2012, 01:22:18 PM
I'd rather be shot than stabbed. Just sayin'
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:23:22 PM
they don't, but why do regular people NEED just about anything that isn't food and shelter? automatic weapons are GREAT fun to shoot and use for a select group of enthusiasts, including me.

if someone wants to kill you, they will. no doubt guns make it more convenient, but so does dynamite.

(that said, i am ALL for mandatory registration, mental health/domestic violence checks, and training requirements for the different weapon classifications.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
i'm just saying, libruls need to get over their OWN weird paranoid fear of guns. guns are just tools. tools for killing, but maybe, just MAYBE, EDUCATION is the answer, not irrational terror.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Doug- what's more likely:

1) American society becomes a more tolerant, understanding culture that provides the appropriate medical care that curtails tragedies like the Aurora shooting, and also ends the stupid drug war that fuels a lot of gang violence

-or-

2) We enact another assault weapons ban that makes it tougher for some loonies to get their hands on dangerous weapons.

Considering that 2) actually happened and 1) is a fucking pipe dream, I know which one I'm going to put my efforts behind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on July 26, 2012, 01:29:57 PM
yes, we get it drinky. you have a small penis.  :-* maybe im into that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2012, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 26, 2012, 01:20:08 PM
I just fail to see why regular people need access to automatic or semi-automatic weapons.  There are only two reasons I can think of:  1) "they're cool and I want them!" and 2) to kill people.  1) isn't a good enough reason to outweigh 2).
Uh, take away a semi automatic weapon and you take away a large percentage of guns.  All my handguns are semi-automatic.  A large percentage of hunting rifles are semi automatic.  Go hunting with a bolt action and try to fire fast enough to kill something that's charging you.  Yeah, no. 

And as far as automatics, they're cool and I want them.  And even before the Hughes Amendment I believe there was only one murder that was committed (in 1932 or something) with a legally owned/obtained automatic weapon.  And I believe there's only been one since (in 1988).  It also didn't effect crime rates, much like the '94 ban on assault rifles.  I don't really care about repealing the Hughes Amendment although it would be nice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:37:25 PM
false choice, there. here's another rhetorical one for you

what's more likely:

1) an assault weapons ban in today's massively schizophrenic political climate, rife with paranoia even among independents.

-or-

2) passing stricter federal penalties for the sales of guns to folks with DV or mental health records?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2012, 01:46:56 PM
I have a shotgun at my house for defense purposes only.  I don't mind the keeping of weapons in that regard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 26, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
We won't see any meaningful gun law changes until some high profile right wingers take an early dirtnap. It has to affect them before they would consider doing anything about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2012, 02:50:14 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 26, 2012, 01:18:36 PM
people kill other people. it's not the how that ultimately matters, it's the why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJTIedZVIVQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on July 26, 2012, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 26, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
We won't see any meaningful gun law changes until some high profile right wingers take an early dirtnap. It has to affect them before they would consider doing anything about it.

You are now being watched!  :maf :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 26, 2012, 03:09:57 PM
I like to be watched.  :-*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: BlackMage on July 26, 2012, 03:30:50 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on July 26, 2012, 03:09:57 PM
I like to be watched.  :-*

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/stinkyfishtaco/bushes.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 26, 2012, 04:20:26 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-london-olympics-gaffes.php?ref=fpa

Does Mitt have any clue what he is doing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2012, 05:01:35 PM
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/07/the-persistent-oddness-of-mitt-romney.html

I found this even weirder. What kind of man doesn't watch his wife compete in the Olympics?! I guess when you're the 0.001%, competing at the Olympics is about as exciting as whatever weeknight game is on at the local sports bar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 26, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/26/mitt-romney-london-olympics-gaffe-live


:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 26, 2012, 05:11:13 PM
I'm fine with people having guns. I mostly take issue with the culture surrounding them, and complete lack of respect for human life for a piece of metal with a trigger. Guns shouldn't be banned, that's ridiculous, but the laws should definitely be tightened in that they require mandatory classes and teach awareness to what they may encounter with the ownership of a gun and how to defuse situations without whipping one out.

hell, I think children should be taught how to handle guns and the ramifications of them in elementary school. I have handled a total of 6-7 guns throughout the course of my life, how to reload, shoot, take care of all through the Boy Scouts. For all the shit Boy Scouts gets - and deservedly so - THAT gave me more respect and fear of guns than any thing I've ever seen since.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2012, 05:18:32 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 26, 2012, 05:10:01 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/26/mitt-romney-london-olympics-gaffe-live


:rofl

When Boris Johnson thinks you're a fuck up...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2012, 07:44:19 PM
Clearly Romney's Anglo-Saxon abilities were on cool down

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 26, 2012, 08:20:10 PM
Last time Anglo-Saxons got into a conflict Americuh was created.  :smug

edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNPtsqo6VSE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2012, 08:43:27 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/301381_239661939415753_958748417_n.jpg)

This apparently is not a joke. Just saw it on my facebook timeline, from a sincere libertarian
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
:rofl

Sometimes I think I want to live in Libertopian fantasy land just for a day, so I can look at shit like that with straight face and type distinguished mentally-challenged things like "they exist because they do"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2012, 10:26:59 PM
Gun control gets discussed in the wake of psychotic episodes like the one we just had, but gun violence's largest impact, and the subject of most attempts at regulation, is the flooding of handguns into cities.  Where you have not just high fatality rates (in DC, where it's gotten much better, it still causes ~5 times as many deaths as traffic accidents), but all the attendant feedback loops with other social ills (driving down property values, keeping out investment and quality services).

Note, I don't think Democrats should be pursuing gun control.  I don't personally think it makes a large difference, and I certainly don't think anything that could realistically pass, given the political climate and court challenges, would make it harder in practical terms to get a firearm.

But while "someone will always find a way" may apply to the obsessively driven, but I'm not at all convinced that making violence more efficient and convenient has no impact on its frequency.  Even the most hysterical liberals will concede other factors are at work (can you get a liberal talking about crime without a ton of hemming and hawing about the myriad root causes?), so I don't think it's fair to accuse them of ignoring the real issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 26, 2012, 11:02:45 PM
Considering the laundry list of problems the country has right now, guns should be at the bottom of priorities.  I'd hate to have to see liberal politicians burn through their political capital on a losing battle like gun control.  I think gun violence just accentuates those higher priorities such as a lack of mental health care infrastructure, piss poor workers rights that cause people to go postal, bullying and school shootings, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2012, 12:16:19 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on July 26, 2012, 11:02:45 PM
Considering the laundry list of problems the country has right now, guns should be at the bottom of priorities.  I'd hate to have to see liberal politicians burn through their political capital on a losing battle like gun control.  I think gun violence just accentuates those higher priorities such as a lack of mental health care infrastructure, piss poor workers rights that cause people to go postal, bullying and school shootings, etc.

Agreed. Given Obama's nature, I'd imagine he'd throw assault weapon ban re-instatement off the table before negotiations started as a means of compromise. His speech focused more on background checks and flagging purchases of large caches of ammunition...which is as common sense as you can go. Which means there will be more than 100 republicans in the house ready to shit can it asap, and it will likely be filibustered in the senate. So what's the point

But even that would not have prevented Holmes from killing people

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 27, 2012, 12:43:17 AM
Pretty much nothing that can be feasibly done will prevent more things like this from happening.

I did see something earlier that made me chuckle, even if I don't agree with it:  drug tests for people who want to buy guns.  If it's good enough for moochers and unemployment, it's good enough for people who want a lethal weapon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2012, 12:46:07 AM
On a side note if this had happened on the south side of Chicago, or in Detroit no one would give a fuck. I hate quoting movies, especially BATMAN, but if some soldiers get blown up in Iraq nobody panics because that's expected. But god forbid some white people get shot up on American soil, that's a national tragedy.

I'm not saying that to belittle the crime or the victims, but I'm just mad gun violence is only a problem when one group is threatened
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2012, 05:48:29 AM
Well, any mass shooting by a nutjob gets attention, and what with the Batman opening, the booby-trapped apartment and the dyed red hair you've got an interesting story with a good visual, regardless of where it happened.  It's dumb that we seem have these National Conversations about persistent in the wake of big news stories, but it's human nature.  People talk more about college football culture in the wake of Sandusky/Paterno, tolerance for Muslims in American society during the "Ground Zero Mosque" brouhaha, etc.

It's backwards, in that we're galvanized by the rare and atypical, rather than paying attention to what happens every day, but waddyagonnado?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 27, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
So I was driving to work yesterday and I turned on some crazy right wing talk radio because obviously I love punishing myself before doing my job.   I believe it was the Neal Boortz show.....I never heard of him before but he's certainly got the tea party insanity quotient locked down.  Anyway, I was about to turn it after getting my fill of nonsense until he started to tee off on the Olympics and I remember thinking to myself "Now how is he going to turn this around and blame everything on those dirty libruls?" Sure enough, Neal found a way.  He was complaining why there's so many swimming events such as the backstroke, butterfly, etc. when no one swims like that.  There should be one way to swim (obviously whatever that way was the American way) and be done with it and put in more events like NASCAR(!!) and golf.  Obviously dem libruls along with the French are influencing the event selection and should be stopped.  We shouldn't be letting our kids swim the backstroke - that's the gay way. 

............


God damnit.  I seriously want to move to Canada.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 27, 2012, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 27, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
So I was driving to work yesterday and I turned on some crazy right wing talk radio because obviously I love punishing myself before doing my job.   I believe it was the Neal Boortz show.....I never heard of him before but he's certainly got the tea party insanity quotient locked down.  Anyway, I was about to turn it after getting my fill of nonsense until he started to tee off on the Olympics and I remember thinking to myself "Now how is he going to turn this around and blame everything on those dirty libruls?" Sure enough, Neal found a way.  He was complaining why there's so many swimming events such as the backstroke, butterfly, etc. when no one swims like that.  There should be one way to swim (obviously whatever that way was the American way) and be done with it and put in more events like NASCAR(!!) and golf.  Obviously dem libruls along with the French are influencing the event selection and should be stopped.  We shouldn't be letting our kids swim the backstroke - that's the gay way. 

............


God damnit.  I seriously want to move to Canada.

Is that guy for real? Oh yeah, golf is back at the Olympics in 2016.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
NASCAR at the Olympics :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
i backstroke all the time when i swim. it's relaxing. ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 27, 2012, 01:23:45 PM
I know people are tired of gun control, but how about just instituting some changes so we're not the legally-bought supplier of so many of the narco deaths in Mexico.

I care more about that then I do about some cracked nut with an inferiority complex that happens upon a bad idea every couple of years.  And unlike some random maniac, there has got to be some way accurately and positively change the law to fix that situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2012, 01:41:41 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 27, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
i backstroke all the time when i swim. it's relaxing. ???

whoa whoah wait wtf

you can SWIM  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2012, 02:00:49 PM
i learned to swim when i was 4 years old and was on the local pool swim team as a kid

makes it easier to escape from the cops when I hit other peoples cars. always need an escape, and a good black parent finds ways for their kid to not get caught.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2012, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 27, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
i backstroke all the time when i swim. it's relaxing. ???

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 27, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
We shouldn't be letting our kids swim the backstroke - that's the gay way.

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2012, 02:53:51 PM
I was on a swim team in middle school and was pretty good. I quit shortly after being informed I'd have to start shaving my legs soon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2012, 03:06:18 PM
Switching from breast stroke to back stroke and then back to breast stroke is fun!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 27, 2012, 03:08:05 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 27, 2012, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 27, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
i backstroke all the time when i swim. it's relaxing. ???

Quote from: Hitler Stole My Potato on July 27, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
We shouldn't be letting our kids swim the backstroke - that's the gay way.

.

Just laying on your back, while balancing yourself so you're above water, chilling is not gay!

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Backstroking feels good, pause.

seriously it's very refreshing when you're just lounging in a pool backstroking. And it's hilarious if there are little kids around because they stare in awe and view that form of swimming as pure magic  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
Even Karl Rove is like "Damn Romney, y u so dumb, breh?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS0qq_wi5Zw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 27, 2012, 06:20:35 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 27, 2012, 04:31:34 PM
Even Karl Rove is like "Damn Romney, y u so dumb, breh?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS0qq_wi5Zw

The only thing scary about all of that is that according to Gallup, Obama and Romney are tied.  Initially I assumed the GOP was going to write off 2012 as an inevitable loss but this guy might actually win.  I know McCain and Obama were neck and neck for a while but the thing is this time, there probably won't be some huge sector of our economy going tits up like in 2008 that will assure an Obama victory.

I understand polls are mostly meaningless at this point but this month has been a giant gaffe for Romney and he is still hanging in there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2012, 06:36:46 PM
Gallup has been using 2010 indicators for their daily polls; they've been awful for this election cycle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 27, 2012, 08:26:52 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on July 27, 2012, 01:22:29 PM
i backstroke all the time when i swim. it's relaxing. ???

Yeah, but you're also a muslim.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2012, 09:54:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iSBR7.jpg)

http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/Billboard-compares-president-to-suspected-gunman-164067056.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 27, 2012, 10:01:49 PM
So what, we take away Obama's 2nd amendment rights?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2012, 12:57:56 AM
Obama should have considered the costs before he started wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2012, 01:02:39 AM
i was talking to prole on fb and mentioned how i commonly see in the college intellectual dialogue recently that romney and obama are practically the same person, and obama's foreign policy is the first clue. it's getting pretty annoying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 28, 2012, 01:11:47 AM
But Romney has no foreign policy experience. Are people talking about his missionary work or some shit? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2012, 01:17:01 AM
They base it around that they feel Romney is another Bush in the making, and if he's like Bush, then likely we will be at war with Iran if Romney gets elected. On the other hand, they also think Obama will be at war with Iran is he is reelected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 28, 2012, 01:17:31 AM
What I don't get about that pic is where is supposed to be attacking Obama from? One could think that it's doing so from the left, but then it has that "Making Statism Unpopular" thing on top.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 01:24:43 AM
I stopped arguing with libtards long ago. Ultimately that argument boils down to them thinking there are two economic views: libertarianism and liberalism. So Bush and Obama are the same in this alternate reality, whereas anyone who pays a bit of attention could tell the difference between them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2012, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 28, 2012, 01:17:31 AM
What I don't get about that pic is where is supposed to be attacking Obama from? One could think that it's doing so from the left, but then it has that "Making Statism Unpopular" thing on top.

Libertarian
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 28, 2012, 01:28:12 AM
Another common argument is that the drone bombs used in Pakistan and Libya are proof that Obama does not deserve his piece prize and that he's no different from Bush.

It's hard to argue on that point because after all, people getting killed is still people getting killed.

But what I dislike the most about it is how they act like they are on the moral pedestal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 01:43:16 AM
I'm not going to defend Obama in terms of killing brown people. I'll just say at least he does it more efficiently and cheaper than Bush
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9308/yeshrug.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 28, 2012, 03:41:22 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2012, 01:25:19 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on July 28, 2012, 01:17:31 AM
What I don't get about that pic is where is supposed to be attacking Obama from? One could think that it's doing so from the left, but then it has that "Making Statism Unpopular" thing on top.

Libertarian

D'oh!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 28, 2012, 05:34:27 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iTXu6dm8N7jSR.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 28, 2012, 05:46:08 PM
Should I know who those people are?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 28, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
I'm unsure if you're kidding or not, but I had the exact same reaction so yea, it's a very unpolished Sarah Palin and hubbie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 28, 2012, 06:04:05 PM
I mean it's one thing to get food from CFA.

It's another to have a photo taken with a thumb up like, "YEAH! FUCK THOSE LIBERUL FEGS & FEG LOVERS!"


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 28, 2012, 07:00:49 PM
Washington Post: Romney bans media from Jerusalem fundraiser, violating pre-established protocol (http://"http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-bans-media-from-jerusalem-fundraiser-violating-pre-established-protocol/2012/07/28/gJQAAaeVGX_blog.html")



https://twitter.com/LOLGOP

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Worst possible Romney gaffe he could make on his tour? How about: "I'm just not sure Israel is ready for Jesus' return."?

:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 07:07:53 PM
Bought some chicken, made the news. Palin is dominating the news cycle
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2012, 07:45:25 PM
Fast-food chicken hasn't dominated the news like this since that time KFC ran out of chicken on $5 8-piece bucket night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 28, 2012, 08:10:21 PM
Goddamn, all this talk of chicken is making me want to get some dinner at Popeyes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 08:12:06 PM
where does our first African American president stand on this pressing issue?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 28, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
Clinton's liked chicken since the 90s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 08:29:10 PM
I bet as I type this, there's a conservative blog/website intern somewhere scouring google for an image of Obama eating at CFA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 28, 2012, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 28, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
Clinton's liked chicken since the 90s

Funny story- after his open heart bypass surgery, the Big Dog hasn't eaten meat per doctor's orders... unless of course you count all that pussy he's eating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 28, 2012, 09:22:42 PM
he was thinkin' arbies
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2012, 09:27:43 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 28, 2012, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 28, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
Clinton's liked chicken since the 90s

... unless of course you count all that pussy he's eating.

Maybe he should have been eating stuff lower in fat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
I'd be Clinton's wing man. He'd take the ugly friend
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 29, 2012, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on July 28, 2012, 09:27:43 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 28, 2012, 08:32:36 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on July 28, 2012, 08:24:20 PM
Clinton's liked chicken since the 90s

... unless of course you count all that pussy he's eating.

Maybe he should have been eating stuff lower in fat.

iceburn.gif
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 30, 2012, 01:06:37 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
I'd be Clinton's wing man. He'd take the ugly friend

And then he'd take the hot one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 30, 2012, 01:14:56 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on July 30, 2012, 01:06:37 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
I'd be Clinton's wing man. He'd take the ugly friend

And then he'd take the hot one.

(http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2012/06/bill-clinton.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 01:22:09 AM
 :lol :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2012, 01:45:41 AM
The Romney campaign's foreign policy adviser basically said that Romney would give the green light to Israel bombing Iran.

All the usual caveats apply (campaign rhetoric that can be tossed away if he hypothetically wins, conditional on how the situation develops, blah blah blah), but really?  BAD IDEA.  No new wars Israel, kthx.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 30, 2012, 01:53:33 AM
Quote from: Mandark on July 30, 2012, 01:45:41 AM
The Romney campaign's foreign policy adviser basically said that Romney would give the green light to Israel bombing Iran.

All the usual caveats apply (campaign rhetoric that can be tossed away if he hypothetically wins, conditional on how the situation develops, blah blah blah), but really?  BAD IDEA.  No new wars Israel, kthx.

YO PEOPLE

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I feel really uncomfortable criticizing anything Israel does because, you know, the whole BEING NAMED ARIAN THING
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 01:55:30 AM
They also said they'll support recognizing Israel's capitol as Jerusalem and moving the US embassy there. I tend to think this is a lot of tough talk and overcompensating. Romney's foreign policy team is basically the Bush/PNAC crew, and even they didn't pull the trigger on Iran; iirc Bush specifically told Israel no about a year after re-election.

That's not to say these developments aren't troubling or cause for concern/derision, just that I think this is him trying to gain foreign policy credibility (and large Jewish donations) by throwing red meat to the base. An Israeli attack on Iran would be a disaster.

Gotta love Netanyahu basically endorsing all this and directly saying that the Iran sanctions have done nothing. Great
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 30, 2012, 02:04:49 AM
so if McCain had won 2008, would we be warring with Iran right now?  Would the Arab Spring even have happened if the whole Muslim world is monumentally pissed at America and their anger has a more convenient target then their own leaders?

or is that too far fetched?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 30, 2012, 02:12:14 AM
Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 30, 2012, 02:04:49 AM
so if McCain had won 2008, would we be warring with Iran right now?  Would the Arab Spring even have happened if the whole Muslim world is monumentally pissed at America and their anger has a more convenient target then their own leaders?

or is that too far fetched?

Not at all. 

If McCain had won, we'd probably be at war with the entire Middle East by this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2012, 11:41:39 AM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/07/2012730141942976671.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

For Creepy Old Guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2012, 11:55:40 AM
Quote from: Eric P on July 30, 2012, 11:41:39 AM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/07/2012730141942976671.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount

For Creepy Old Guy.

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"According to the sentence that was issued, four of the defendants in this case were sentenced to death," prosecutor general Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei told IRNA.

Two people were sentenced to life and others received jail sentences of up to 25 years, Mohseni-Ejei said. In addition to jail time, some were sentenced to flogging, ordered to pay fines and banned from government jobs.

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2012, 12:31:45 PM
Iran gettin' stuff done.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 30, 2012, 12:46:04 PM
Truly a beacon of forward thinking policy initiatives there.  I'm just upset they got a trial- go ahead and shoot them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PM
Quote
Romney: Israel’s Superior Economy To Palestinians Result Of ‘Culture,’ ‘Providence’

Mitt Romney offered up a curious assessment of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at a fundraiser in Jerusalem on Sunday, suggesting that Palestinian suffering — rather than an obstacle to peace — was actually an encouraging sign of Israel’s greatness.

“I was thinking this morning as I prepared to come into this room of a discussion I had across the country in the United States about my perceptions about differences between countries,” Romney told a group of high-dollar donors at a fundraiser in Jerusalem’s King David Hotel. “As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality.”

As the Associated Press noted, Romney actually got the numbers very wrong: Israel’s GDP per capita was $31,000 in 2011 and Palestinians’ per capita GDP was just $1,500. Romney at no point mentioned that the Palestinian territories have for decades been occupied without sovereign control, where residents face significant restrictions on movement and employment.

“It is a racist statement and this man doesn’t realize that the Palestinian economy cannot reach its potential because there is an Israeli occupation,” Saeb Erakat, a senior Palestinian Authority official, told the AP.

Romney attributed the gap in success in part to Israel’s “culture.”

“Culture makes all the difference,” Romney said. “And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things.” Among them, he cited “the hand of providence.”

Romney’s campaign noted that the candidate has used variations of his “culture” theory of economics before in speeches unrelated to Israel, attributing his thinking to a book by Harvard history professor David Landes. Nonetheless, Romney’s opening remarks left little ambiguity that he was making a direct comparison between Israel and the Palestinian territories. For context, we’ll provide the full remarks at the bottom.

While American lawmakers, including President Obama have hugged Israel close for decades as part of a longstanding alliance, Romney’s comments appearing to revel in Palestinian poverty were highly unusual. President George W. Bush, for example, described Palestinian economic troubles as a challenge that needed to be overcome en route to statehood rather than a sign of Israel’s moral superiority and pledged aid to that effect. Even as Bush supported economically destructive measures like travel checkpoints, he characterized them as difficult decisions that were necessary for security reasons and acknowledged their impact on Palestinians’ day to day living.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-israel-palestine-gdp-culture.php?ref=fpa

oh boy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2012, 01:24:03 PM
They have more money, so clearly they are superior to Palestinian dirtpeople. That's the principle that has guided Mitt's life so far, ain't gonna change it now. :tophat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
If only the Palestinians would pull themselves up by their own boot straps!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 30, 2012, 07:08:01 PM
more like sandal straps amirite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 30, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 12:54:34 PM
Quote
Romney: Israel’s Superior Economy To Palestinians Result Of ‘Culture,’ ‘Providence’

Mitt Romney offered up a curious assessment of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at a fundraiser in Jerusalem on Sunday, suggesting that Palestinian suffering — rather than an obstacle to peace — was actually an encouraging sign of Israel’s greatness.

“I was thinking this morning as I prepared to come into this room of a discussion I had across the country in the United States about my perceptions about differences between countries,” Romney told a group of high-dollar donors at a fundraiser in Jerusalem’s King David Hotel. “As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality.”

As the Associated Press noted, Romney actually got the numbers very wrong: Israel’s GDP per capita was $31,000 in 2011 and Palestinians’ per capita GDP was just $1,500. Romney at no point mentioned that the Palestinian territories have for decades been occupied without sovereign control, where residents face significant restrictions on movement and employment.

“It is a racist statement and this man doesn’t realize that the Palestinian economy cannot reach its potential because there is an Israeli occupation,” Saeb Erakat, a senior Palestinian Authority official, told the AP.

Romney attributed the gap in success in part to Israel’s “culture.”

“Culture makes all the difference,” Romney said. “And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things.” Among them, he cited “the hand of providence.”

Romney’s campaign noted that the candidate has used variations of his “culture” theory of economics before in speeches unrelated to Israel, attributing his thinking to a book by Harvard history professor David Landes. Nonetheless, Romney’s opening remarks left little ambiguity that he was making a direct comparison between Israel and the Palestinian territories. For context, we’ll provide the full remarks at the bottom.

While American lawmakers, including President Obama have hugged Israel close for decades as part of a longstanding alliance, Romney’s comments appearing to revel in Palestinian poverty were highly unusual. President George W. Bush, for example, described Palestinian economic troubles as a challenge that needed to be overcome en route to statehood rather than a sign of Israel’s moral superiority and pledged aid to that effect. Even as Bush supported economically destructive measures like travel checkpoints, he characterized them as difficult decisions that were necessary for security reasons and acknowledged their impact on Palestinians’ day to day living.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/07/romney-israel-palestine-gdp-culture.php?ref=fpa

oh boy

Remember, folks, Boogie has a futon in his spare bedroom AND a couch and loveseat in the living room up for auction as of November 7, 2012!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2012, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 01:42:12 PM
If only the Palestinians would pull themselves up by their own boot straps!

It's a surprisingly common sentiment.  A ton of people just have no idea how things work in Israel and the occupied territories, and assume that Palestinians are poor/disorganized cause of general Arab backwardness or something.  A conservative poster here (TA?) said Palestinians need to "assimilate" to modern Israeli society, rather than resist it.

The only problem is that they're not allowed to assimilate.  Palestinians don't get Israeli citizenship or the same rights and privileges.  They're at the mercy of a government in which they are not represented, which dictates their freedom of movement, land development, access to utilities, etc.  It's a government that subjects them to collective punishment and will not grant them either independence or equal rights.

I think this is a big reason Israel takes a ton of shit in the international community.  Whatever you think of the legitimacy of other independence movements, you're by and large talking about people who are citizens of the country they're trying to secede from.  Tibetans get the benefits of being Chinese, Catalans get the benefits of being Spanish, etc.  And while I'm sure there's very real institutionalized bias and racism in a lot of those countries, it's nothing compared to the two-class system which is enforced by statute in Israel.  Hence the use of "apartheid" by critics; it might not be underpinned by the same type of racist philosophy, but in practice it's pretty comparable.

Anyways Romney's an ass.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2012, 09:29:49 PM
In short, they wouldn't be allowed to buy the bootstraps in the first place.

Unfortunately major politicians could not argue that without being accused to antisemitism. And it certainly doesn't help having a guy who could very well be president demonizing them on a global scale.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 30, 2012, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: Boogie on July 30, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
Remember, folks, Boogie has a futon in his spare bedroom AND a couch and loveseat in the living room up for auction as of November 7, 2012!

I'm going to start the bidding at 700 Canadian Pesos and 3(three) God Save the Queens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 31, 2012, 08:35:45 AM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/487264_10150978834561943_397982668_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2012, 10:03:03 AM
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/07/31/13049520-never-let-em-see-you-sweat

Quote
After several questions involving Romney's missteps on the trip, including comments he made in Israel, Romney spokesman Rick Gorka shot back.

"Show some respect," he said after being challenged for not taking questions, according to pool reports.

"We haven't had another chance to ask a question," a New York Times reporter said.

"Kiss my ass," Gorka said back. "This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect."

:lol :lol :lol

:polandcry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 31, 2012, 10:33:57 AM
:borys :borys :borys
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 31, 2012, 10:34:55 AM
(http://i.minus.com/isHKjmKe71TPI.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2012, 07:32:01 PM
Rush has another opinion again: British socialism is worse than Chinese socialism. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/07/rush-limbaugh-british-socialism-is.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2012, 09:25:24 PM
The Rush Limbaugh Show is funnier than Saturday Night Live.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Romney walks back to the Palestinian culture nonsense, but not before Jennifer Rubin could give us this gem:

Quote
If this is the Romney we’re going to see during the balance of the campaign Obama is in deep trouble. This Romney is unapologetic
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/romney-frankly-has-been-at-his-best/2012/07/31/gJQAbWrSMX_blog.html?wprss=rss_opinions

can't make this up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2012, 09:32:25 PM
Strong rhetoric and tough talk with nothing to back it up is exactly what we need to get this country back on track.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 01, 2012, 07:23:50 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/mitt-romney-tax-plan_n_1727909.html

Shouldn't surprise anyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2012, 07:42:30 PM
Pretty interesting. Romney hasn't released any information on what particular tax deductables and breaks he would cut, and that study assumes many would be aimed at lower income families (such as tax credits for low income families). It also doesn't take spending cuts into account, thus solely focusing on loopholes Romney will allegedly cut. Although given Romney and the republicans recent moves, it's likely those spending cuts would come from programs that assist lower and middle income folks.

He's been running for president for a year and hasn't released a single detail on this, which just might have saved him from this nasty headline/report.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on August 02, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Atramental on July 28, 2012, 05:34:27 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iTXu6dm8N7jSR.png)

(http://i.minus.com/ijKlGds0KsP2q.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 02, 2012, 01:53:41 PM
why couldn't the TDKR shooter have gone into a Chick-Fil-A instead
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 02, 2012, 03:18:23 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/427479_3503350229660_804548917_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on August 02, 2012, 04:03:25 PM
Quote from: Atramental on August 02, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ijKlGds0KsP2q.jpg)

I see nothing wrong with this. Rush's stance on this issue is consistent and well established: he believes strongly in the importance traditional marriage. He should know as he's been through the process four times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 02, 2012, 04:18:50 PM
Thats the first time I've seen an actual picture of Rush.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 02, 2012, 04:32:48 PM
Had a friend at work keep talking about the CFA thing.  Ugh.  He was going on about how the CEO was just stating facts from the bible.  While I'm not in any outrage over CFA's affiliations and I personally don't care where people choose to spend their money, I understand the concerns and why people are offended.  He just kept going on about traditional family values and I kept making this face  :-\ while saying "I don't care what people choose to believe" and trying to ignore him.  Yeesh.  I never knew and didn't expect him to think like that. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 02, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
I'm surprised the CFA thing is having the legs it is having.

I wanted to get some CFA and at both of the locations I checked out, there were long lines on a weekday afternoon.  Probably the best business decision the CEO ever made.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2012, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on August 02, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
I'm surprised the CFA thing is having the legs it is having.

I wanted to get some CFA and at both of the locations I checked out, there were long lines on a weekday afternoon.  Probably the best business decision the CEO ever made.

The GAF thread is quite enraged that CFA is doing well. They're used to these types of things ending in the other side giving up, or being shamed to irrelevance. Not gonna happen here.

I sure as hell wouldn't have eaten there yesterday, but I'd have no hesitation of buying food from a local franchise - but there are none around here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 02, 2012, 07:11:53 PM
im so cool i boycotted chick-fil-a years before all these schmos hopped on board
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 02, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
The fact that Christians are pitchin' in this much support for Chik-Fil-A instead of doing this for like, I dunno, a food bank, is pretty telling!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 02, 2012, 07:13:30 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on August 02, 2012, 07:11:53 PM
im so cool i boycotted chick-fil-a years before all these schmos hopped on board

GIMME DAP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 02, 2012, 07:19:10 PM
you mean I can get fat and demonstrate my hate for Others with the same minimal effort?  Yes please!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2012, 07:31:50 PM
While walking through the safari desert you witness a small child starving to death. A CFA is a few yards away; it is the only restaurant for miles, and you have no food on you. Do you purchase the CFA, therefore financing bigotry, to feed the child? Or let the child starve to keep your purchasing dollars unsullied by hate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 02, 2012, 07:34:50 PM
:lol

Jill Stein and her vp arrested

http://www.jillstein.org/stein_and_honkala_arrested
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 08:55:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2012, 07:31:50 PM
While walking through the safari desert you witness a small child starving to death. A CFA is a few yards away; it is the only restaurant for miles, and you have no food on you. Do you purchase the CFA, therefore financing bigotry, to feed the child? Or let the child starve to keep your purchasing dollars unsullied by hate

You get her a free water and then act like the biggest douche on the planet. Post it on youtube, delete it when people call you an asshole. Then find out that people have saved it, goes viral and BAM! You lose your JOB.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thNqs9fPcgM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/idUS264370+02-Aug-2012+MW20120802


Kudos to the lady at the register for keeping her cool.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
That video describes GAF. She had nothing to do with their stance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 02, 2012, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2012, 07:10:18 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on August 02, 2012, 06:51:47 PM
I'm surprised the CFA thing is having the legs it is having.

I wanted to get some CFA and at both of the locations I checked out, there were long lines on a weekday afternoon.  Probably the best business decision the CEO ever made.

The GAF thread is quite enraged that CFA is doing well. They're used to these types of things ending in the other side giving up, or being shamed to irrelevance. Not gonna happen here.

I sure as hell wouldn't have eaten there yesterday, but I'd have no hesitation of buying food from a local franchise - but there are none around here

In a few weeks, people will move on.  Then people will try to spin the inevitable apathy into victory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
That video describes GAF. She had nothing to do with their stance

Yeah pretty much, minus the people afraid to dare post an opposing view in fear of being called a bigot, get banned, attacked like a rabbit by a pack of wolves, etc.

I could care less what anyone does in their own time. I have no issue with civil ceremonies for gay couples.  That said I do not find homosexuality to be a normal practice based on my christian upbringing and personal belief and for that I would automatically get labelled a bigot.  Well this bigot just spent a few hundred dollars at Amazon.com, AFTER the $2 million donation was announced by the CEO to assist gay marriage.  The damn intolerance on both sides just continues to astound. Group A wants to attack Chick-Fil-A.  Group B wants to cancel their Amazon.com accounts. Put me in Group C who just wants good customer service and pricing.

Also could someone in the Chicago area tell me what exactly "Chicago morals" are? The people that deserve the most hatred are the two mayors, Ren and Stimpy. You know you picked the wrong side of the argument when Mayor Bloomberg takes the opposite side and people, especially conservatives, agree with his point.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all animals to be not normal? That's fine, but people will call you bigot - and rightly so - if you espouse the view that homosexuals should not marry, for religious reasons or otherwise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all mammals to be not normal?

Depends on what each person defines as a natural and normal event.  I find it to be neither. To me natural and normal is that we are all put on this earth to procreate.  We simply share a difference of opinion. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Freyj on August 02, 2012, 10:38:31 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all mammals to be not normal?
To me natural and normal is that we are all put on this earth to procreate.

Procreation is a big problem, what with that shortage of unwanted children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 02, 2012, 11:03:09 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all mammals to be not normal?

Depends on what each person defines as a natural and normal event.  I find it to be neither. To me natural and normal is that we are all put on this earth to procreate.  We simply share a difference of opinion.

In other words, we're not talking about what is objectively natural in the sense that it occurs with abundance in nature but rather what you specifically think is icky.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 02, 2012, 11:12:07 PM
wrong thread.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2012, 11:12:55 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
That said I do not find homosexuality to be a normal practice based on my christian upbringing and personal belief and for that I would automatically get labelled a bigot.

So just because you made a moral judgment about someone, someone would then make a moral judgment about you?  That's pretty unfair.

Also, you'd find yourself as an ostracized minority for being out of sync with the community's views on sexuality?  Sounds terrible!  If only gay people knew what that feeling was like, maybe they'd be a bit more empathetic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 02, 2012, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all mammals to be not normal?

Depends on what each person defines as a natural and normal event.  I find it to be neither. To me natural and normal is that we are all put on this earth to procreate.  We simply share a difference of opinion.

There have been evolutionary justifications for homosexuality, though:
http://phys.org/news184507170.html (http://phys.org/news184507170.html)

and of course there are gay animals!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 03, 2012, 02:40:25 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all mammals to be not normal?

Depends on what each person defines as a natural and normal event.  I find it to be neither. To me natural and normal is that we are all put on this earth to procreate.  We simply share a difference of opinion.

A lot of traits that would intuitively work against procreation keep getting passed down through evolution. It's not so straightforward.

I mean, obviously it's heterosexual people who are making gays so that right there tells you a lot.

But yes, the man in that youtube video is a massive twat. I'll agree with you on that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 03, 2012, 02:47:21 AM
Quote from: tiesto on August 02, 2012, 11:13:31 PM
and of course there are gay animals!

Really? Do you want to go there?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9172937/Dolphins-resort-to-rape.html

Guess I am bigot when it comes to rapists based on the logic of if animals do it, then it must be okay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 03, 2012, 02:55:42 AM
The point is biologically, those preferences are wired into us/them/animals/your momma.

Rape is something that we abandoned as a practice when we decided to make social contracts and define morality and all that jazz. If you want to argue that ANYBODY is being hurt by gay dudes getting down, or getting married, then you're an idiot.

Now that you've been called an idiot, you can go ahead and take back that argument. You know that it's a stupid compare rape with homosexuality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 03, 2012, 03:13:59 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 02, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 02, 2012, 09:42:18 PM
You find a completely natural and normal event that occurs in all mammals to be not normal?

Depends on what each person defines as a natural and normal event.  I find it to be neither. To me natural and normal is that we are all put on this earth to procreate.  We simply share a difference of opinion.

We were all put on this Earth to procreate. That is the single reason for any of our existence. So that must mean:

-You are against marriage...of ANY kind...since marriage limits our ability to procreate
-Octomom must be your personal hero, since she's procreated far better than most other people.
-Jesus. Wow, he didn't procreate at all. What a failure. Didn't even accomplish what it is we were put here to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 03, 2012, 03:18:46 AM
I was not making a comparison between rape and homosexuality. It was meant in jest to the poster who simply left the comment,  "and of course there are gay animals!" Like that was supposed to validate homosexuality. Dogs lick their crotch and eat their poo. Not exactly what I would use as a go-to to defend homosexuality.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 03, 2012, 07:04:07 AM
Oscar, why do you hate America?

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2012, 09:54:22 AM
Chik-Fil-A has had more than a dozen lawsuits against it over employment discrimination.  Not just gay people, but a woman who was allegedly fired after getting pregnant so she'd have more time to be a good mom.  So, their views definitely filter down into the day to day operation of the chain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
Oscar, Christians try to have a monopoly on morality in regards to EVERYTHING.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/brown-kicked-out-for-saying-vagina/index.html

Well, not every Christian. But man, a giant majority have no clue what freedom of religion means. They think it literally means that Christianity - apparently the only religion or religious view! - has the freedom to do what it wants, not that it merely means that you can practice any religion you choose without fear of being burned on a stake for being an infidel.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 03, 2012, 12:23:28 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 03, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
Well, not every Christian. But man, a giant majority have no clue what freedom of religion means. They think it literally means that Christianity - apparently the only religion or religious view! - has the freedom to do what it wants, not that it merely means that you can practice any religion you choose without fear of being burned on a stake for being an infidel.

I've got a friend who thinks like that. You'd seriously get farther talking to a brick wall.

Every time I call him on it, I get responses like "I'm struggling with it" or "I want to believe that it's the right way."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 03, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
CULTURAL PLURALITY? WHAT IS THAT?!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: StealthFan on August 03, 2012, 12:38:04 PM
So when will the hard right realize that historically Romney is not the twat being presented in this electorial campaign. He is not without his faults of course but the actions and behaviors he has displayed in the past are quite different. I don't think the world will end if elected but I do think the plebs that support him now are going to be super pissed off, much like the people that voted Obama in thinking he was an actual liberal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 03, 2012, 12:57:50 PM
so did we mention that romney didn't pay his taxes for a fucking decade itt yet?  because ive walking around with the biggest boner since i heard that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
That has not been confirmed, pretty hard to discuss as a rumor.

I doubt Romney is dumb enough to run for president with that in his closet. Also he gave McCain's camp 20 years of taxes iirc, so they'd know. If that was true, why not leak the information in the primaries to destroy Romney/save the party?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2012, 01:25:10 PM
That has not been confirmed, pretty hard to discuss as a rumor.

I doubt Romney is dumb enough to run for president with that in his closet. Also he gave McCain's camp 20 years of taxes iirc, so they'd know. If that was true, why not leak the information in the primaries to destroy Romney/save the party?

These are Republicans.  They probably view it as a plus.  I doubt he did anything illegal, probably just gamed the system.  Plus, the choices were either Romney or a disgraced former Speaker of the House who left his first wife while she was in treatment for cancer, or a former Pennsylvania Senator that lost reelection by double digits and whose name is synonymous with butt cum.

Also, this was fucking brilliant by Harry Reid.  The whole not releasing his tax returns already has people kind of suspicious of Romney.  Now, either he doesn't release the returns and has to deal with this up until the election, or he releases the returns and is seen as caving.  I guarantee you there's shit in there that he doesn't want people to see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2012, 02:19:15 PM
Nah bro, not paying taxes for ten years would be a death nail. I find it hard to believe GOP operatives wouldn't eventually find out about that and stage an intervention during the primary - whether that meant going to Chris Christie and presenting the info to him, or someone else.

In 2008, John Edwards' camp was ready to expose his affair if he managed to get close to the nomination. I'd imagine Romney has payed 13-15% in taxes over the last couple decades. That's bad, but not nearly as bad as not paying any taxes at all.

Romney ain't releasing shit either way though. Interesting, Mark Halperin has claimed the Obama camp has a big bomb in their pocket for Romney, and are just waiting to deploy it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 03, 2012, 03:05:02 PM
Anonymous CNN Source Says Harry Reid's Anonymous Romney Tax Source Is a Good Source

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/02/harry-reid-romney-tax-source-_n_1735729.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

I wonder how long they can keep this going?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 03, 2012, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 03, 2012, 03:05:02 PM
Anonymous CNN Source Says Harry Reid's Anonymous Romney Tax Source Is a Good Source

The quality journalism that has CNN at it's lowest ratings since 1991.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8l248QUyn0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 03, 2012, 04:41:17 PM
Since nobody else brought it up.

8.3%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/us-added-163000-jobs-in-july-unemployment-rate-ticks-up-to-83-percent


Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 03, 2012, 03:05:02 PM
I wonder how long they can keep this going?

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2012, 04:58:48 PM
Yeah, it's too bad we can't do anything about it.  I guess we'll just have to keep waiting for the magic of the free market to do it's job, because those principled republicans have decided that government isn't fit to act to goose hiring.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
163k jobs. 8.3 due to increase in participation rate. Not bad

Jobs have increased during the fall and winter over the last few years, so this might carry through the election. We'll see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 03, 2012, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 03, 2012, 09:54:22 AM
Chik-Fil-A has had more than a dozen lawsuits against it over employment discrimination.  Not just gay people, but a woman who was allegedly fired after getting pregnant so she'd have more time to be a good mom.  So, their views definitely filter down into the day to day operation of the chain.

Wait they actually said that was the reason? You have to be really stupid to actually admit you're firing a pregnant woman for being pregnant.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2012, 02:19:15 PM
In 2008, John Edwards' camp was ready to expose his affair if he managed to get close to the nomination. I'd imagine Romney has payed 13-15% in taxes over the last couple decades. That's bad, but not nearly as bad as not paying any taxes at all.

If he was really paying 13% or higher than there would be no reason at all not to release his past tax returns. There has to be something in there that's worse than what he has shown in the 2010 return.

My guess is that he always paid some taxes but that 13.9% is on the high end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 03, 2012, 08:51:02 PM
Seems odd that not paying taxes for 10 years wouldn't have been brought up during his Massachusetts governor run.  Sounds like bullshit.

I think the situation here is that he probably used every loophole possible to pay as little taxes as possible.  So while he probably didn't do anything illegal, the rate would be so low as to cause embarrassment.  I think Romney is wise in not releasing it because to a dude in Florida who makes $35,000 a year but owes a grand or two in taxes (but would be a millionaire if it weren't for the damned libs), he will see Romney paying an effective tax rate of 4% in 2001 and say "fuck it" come Election Day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 04, 2012, 12:37:09 AM
I think the theory he got amnesty for his offshore tax evasion in 09 is quite possible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 04, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/y96yK.jpg)

:dur
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/05/13130110-several-people-reported-shot-at-sikh-temple-in-wisconsin

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At least four people were reported shot Sunday morning at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., according to local media.  Witnesses told NBC station WTMJ of Milwaukee that someone opened fire inside the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, 7512 South Howell Ave., south of Milwaukee, along Lake Michigan.  Shooting victims were seen covered on the ground outside the temple. The temple's president was among those shot, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported.

Two victims were treated at Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee.  Oak Creek police, the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department and other law enforcement agencies have responded, the Journal-Sentinel reported.  Authorities closed roads and set up a staging area near the temple, WTMJ reported.

A witness told officers the shooter was a white male, with a heavy build, bald head and wearing a sleeveless T-shirt, Oak Creek Patch reported.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2012, 04:14:41 PM
smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 05, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
Things are very ORANGE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 05, 2012, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 04:14:41 PM
smh

Looks like Wisconsin is a state where there isn't a death penalty.  As fucked up as this event is, I hope that they won't try to reinstate it there.  Scott Walker and the Wisconsin GOP, fresh off of their triumph over the Democrats, might feel empowered to push something through.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg/800px-Death_penalty_statutes_in_the_United_States.svg.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 06:19:48 PM
Terrible news in Wisconsin. 6 dead and one sorry POS that was taken down by a cop that was injured in the process.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8b0tmbb021qamcl6o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:33:32 PM
What exactly is the point PD?  Let the facts work themselves out, allow people to mourn, then you can start playing "the killer was from your party, suck on that."  Also why is this in the politics thread to begin with?  Some of you guys are just slobbering at the mouths to find things to help the Obama campaign.

6 people died, remember that. Deserved it's own thread and not spun into politics faster than the names of the deceased are released.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
what in the fuck are you talking about

NO ONE brought up the guy's party and NO ONE brought up Obama.

PD posted a twitter image that describes the perp. That's it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:37:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
what in the fuck are you talking about

Common courtesy toward the deceased.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Really don't know what you're talking about. I didn't post this story in the politics thread, first off. Second, what does a description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with Obama or political parties?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:43:50 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
what in the fuck are you talking about

NO ONE brought up the guy's party and NO ONE brought up Obama.

PD posted a twitter image that describes the perp. That's it.


The original link in this thread gave that information, minus the 9/11 tattoo (could be updated with that now).  It was posted for a reason, an obvious one. Kudos for playing Liberal Defense Force.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Really don't know what you're talking about. I didn't post this story in the politics thread, first off. Second, what does a description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with Obama or political parties?

What does the description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with anything. Guy was shot dead last I checked. No ongoing manhunt, so the reason for posting the description is?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2012, 08:54:18 PM
why do conservatives tend to be conspiracy theorists?   :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2012, 08:56:02 PM
:drudge outrage machine powering up. :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2012, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Really don't know what you're talking about. I didn't post this story in the politics thread, first off. Second, what does a description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with Obama or political parties?

What does the description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with anything.

Well, like, everything. I mean, the guy shot up a Sikh temple. Sikhs tend to be peaceful. Hence, the description of the shooter, because why the hell would anyone want to shoot up a Sikh temple? It's relevant because it leads to a possible motive. 

This is like kindergarten critical thinking here.

Did you neglect to watch Scooby Doo when you were young?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Really don't know what you're talking about. I didn't post this story in the politics thread, first off. Second, what does a description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with Obama or political parties?

What does the description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with anything. Guy was shot dead last I checked. No ongoing manhunt, so the reason for posting the description is?

Uh because when an attack happens, people want to know who did it and why? Again, I'm at a loss with respect to your reaction to this. If you see this as me cheering for this to turn out to be some right wing zealot, you're wrong.

I'm moving to the new thread btw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 05, 2012, 09:01:15 PM
The perpetrator having a 9/11 tattoo says almost nothing about modern popular conservatism, but bdoughtys reaction might.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 05, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
nah, i'd say they both do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 08:56:20 PM

Well, like, everything. I mean, the guy shot up a Sikh temple. Sikhs tend to be peaceful. Hence, the description of the shooter, because why the hell would anyone want to shoot up a Sikh temple? It's relevant because it leads to a possible motive. 

This is like kindergarten critical thinking here.

Did you neglect to watch Scooby Doo when you were young?

No it is Kindergarten thinking that the discretion of this person is somehow going to be some major clue as to a possible motive.  I mean just look at all the 6 foot bald white guys out there shooting up Sikh temples.  Thankfully you are no criminologist.

I still get nightmares from the Scooby Doo when they are attacked by the Ice Cream Ghosts. Have not been able to eat Neapolitan Ice Cream since.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/16bexbl_th.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2012, 09:07:46 PM
In Kindergarten, I was taught that GREEN LIGHT MEANS GO, RED LIGHT MEANS STOP. I'm pretty sure I also learned from my daily Scooby Doo watchings that IF SOMEONE MURDERS SOMEONE FIND OUT ALL INFORMATION.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 05, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on August 05, 2012, 09:01:15 PM
The perpetrator having a 9/11 tattoo says almost nothing about modern popular conservatism, but bdoughtys reaction might.

Show me in the Constitution where it says Hawaii is a real state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 09:12:07 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 09:07:46 PM
In Kindergarten, I was taught that GREEN LIGHT MEANS GO, RED LIGHT MEANS STOP. I'm pretty sure I also learned from my daily Scooby Doo watchings that IF SOMEONE MURDERS SOMEONE FIND OUT ALL INFORMATION.

Yes, all the information. Repeat that a few hundred times and you might actually see where I am going with this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 05, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
The man had a 9/11 tattoo. SURELY that has nothing to do with or possibly COULDN'T have anything to do with shooting up a Sikh Temple! Those Indians look mighty similar to middle eastern folk!

You're acting like this is a case of news reporting a black man wearing a black hoodie; such a general description that could only be used to incite race wars.

Are you daft? God I love that word. Whisper it to me. Daft. Ohhhhhhh yes! DAFT. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 09:26:58 PM
The minute it became clear this was a non-Indian shooter, suspicion arose that it could be another case of Sikhs because mistaken as Muslims and violently attacked - something that has been happening since 911. This has nothing to do with politics, just hate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
But did the guy smoke marijuana?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 05, 2012, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 08:54:18 PM
why do conservatives tend to be conspiracy theorists?   :lol

Conservatism and being a conspiracy nut are both a result of the same thing: a defect in the part of the brain that recognises cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 05, 2012, 10:31:01 PM
waterboard bdouchey
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 05, 2012, 10:52:33 PM
I like the flow of this conversation!

THE EXPERIMENT:  Someone shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

BDUFFY:  How terrible, let's talk about it in this thread.

MICHELLE "PHOENIX" DARK:  Looks like the shooter was a white person with a 9/11 tattoo...

BDUFFY: Whoawhoawhoawhoawhooooooooaaaa there buddy!  Let's give the victims some time to grieve before posting about it in this thread!




On the topic itself, usual caveats apply.  Crazy people do crazy things and it's usually unfair to hold others responsible for their behavior.  It is, however, yet another data point against the Michelle Malkin "hey, we all know what the killers look like, nudge nudge wink wink" argument in favor of profiling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 06, 2012, 12:03:24 AM
since he opened the door, can we talk about how rightwing media and their "shari'a law is comin' to YOUR neighborhood" panic propaganda is ginnin' up dem paranoid schizophrenic types right and left
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
God, the sharia thing is dumb and infuriating.  We're more than a decade on from 9/11 with Muslim law no more part of the legal code than it was before, but that just proves that they're being EVEN MORE SNEAKY than we imagined!

Stupid, unfounded beliefs are annoying, but stupid, unfounded beliefs that scapegoat people (especially folks already getting the short end of the stick, like religious minorities, immigrants, and the poor) are inexcusable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2012, 12:18:14 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 06, 2012, 12:03:24 AM
since he opened the door, can we talk about how rightwing media and their "shari'a law is comin' to YOUR neighborhood" panic propaganda is ginnin' up dem paranoid schizophrenic types right and left

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9r8LMU9bQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 06, 2012, 12:18:58 AM
I remember back to my college days in a Poli Sci class I took 5-6 years ago where a guy from Homeland Security gave a presentation and mentioned that far right white reactionaries posed a bigger terrorist threat to America than any Muslin.  Since that was in the Bush era and pre-recession, I can only imagine how much worse it has gotten since.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 06, 2012, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 06, 2012, 12:03:24 AM
since he opened the door, can we talk about how rightwing media and their "shari'a law is comin' to YOUR neighborhood" panic propaganda is ginnin' up dem paranoid schizophrenic types right and left

lets please not act like this bs is targeted toward both right and left mr broder
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 06, 2012, 12:30:15 AM
oh wait i just got that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2012, 12:32:22 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on August 06, 2012, 12:18:58 AM
I remember back to my college days in a Poli Sci class I took 5-6 years ago where a guy from Homeland Security gave a presentation and mentioned that far right white reactionaries posed a bigger terrorist threat to America than any Muslin.  Since that was in the Bush era and pre-recession, I can only imagine how much worse it has gotten since.

Remember that big ass bomb one group planted at some MLK parade that luckily didn't go off? Yea...I only see things getting worse as more brown people get born here. And if Bams wins again, oh boy the bitter tears
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2012, 12:35:41 AM
Yuppppp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2012, 12:42:17 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on August 06, 2012, 12:18:58 AM
I remember back to my college days in a Poli Sci class I took 5-6 years ago where a guy from Homeland Security gave a presentation and mentioned that far right white reactionaries posed a bigger terrorist threat to America than any Muslin.  Since that was in the Bush era and pre-recession, I can only imagine how much worse it has gotten since.

pshaw, it's not like we've elected a BLACK PRESIDENT since then or anything
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 06, 2012, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 05, 2012, 10:31:01 PM
waterboard bdouchey

At least someone remembers.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 06, 2012, 02:46:42 AM
Reince Priebus: Obama has a problem with the American dream. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/08/rnc-chair-i-think-this-president-has.html)

It's probably cause he never achieved it. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2012, 03:12:42 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 06, 2012, 02:46:42 AM
Reince Priebus: Obama has a problem with the American dream. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/08/rnc-chair-i-think-this-president-has.html)

It's probably cause he never achieved it. :(

Huh huh, huh huh... you said "Reince Priebus"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
probably because it doesn't exist
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2012, 03:29:42 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 06, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
probably because it doesn't exist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 06, 2012, 06:55:53 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 05, 2012, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2012, 08:41:53 PM
Really don't know what you're talking about. I didn't post this story in the politics thread, first off. Second, what does a description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with Obama or political parties?

What does the description of the alleged perpetrator have to do with anything. Guy was shot dead last I checked. No ongoing manhunt, so the reason for posting the description is?

Motivation? I mean the guy went into THE WRONG HOUSE OF WORSHIP in the middle of Ramadan and killed a bunch of people. It says a lot about modern conservatives that their rhetoric can reach people this unstable. Incidentally, the Jared Lee Loughner (Giffords shooter) trial is about to start.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/06/13143336-syria-premier-defects-to-anti-assad-opposition-spokesman-says?lite

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Syrian Prime Minister Riyad Hijab has defected to the opposition seeking to overthrow President Bashar Assad, a spokesman for Hijab said Monday, marking one of the most high-profile desertions from the Damascus government.
Syrian state TV said Hijab had been fired, but an official source in Amman told Reuters that the dismissal followed his defection to neighboring Jordan with his family.
 
Syrian television reported on Monday that Prime Minister Riyad Hijab had been fired. His purported spokesman said he had defected to Jordan.

"I announce today my defection from the killing and terrorist regime and I announce that I have joined the ranks of the freedom and dignity revolution. I announce that I am from today a soldier in this blessed revolution," Hijab said in a statement read in his name by Mohammad Otari, who identified himself as Hijab's spokesman, on Al Jazeera television.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 06, 2012, 11:40:57 AM
A soldier hiding in a neighboring country with his family
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2012, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 06, 2012, 12:16:52 AM
God, the sharia thing is dumb and infuriating.  We're more than a decade on from 9/11 with Muslim law no more part of the legal code than it was before, but that just proves that they're being EVEN MORE SNEAKY than we imagined!

Stupid, unfounded beliefs are annoying, but stupid, unfounded beliefs that scapegoat people (especially folks already getting the short end of the stick, like religious minorities, immigrants, and the poor) are inexcusable.

Michele Bachmann has in her hands a list of 205 names of people who are known members of Muslim Brotherhood who are working in the State Department.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 06, 2012, 06:40:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7Y9iYf_uk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 06, 2012, 07:11:40 PM
Quote
Why is that gay dude protesting General Mills?

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
Anyway, looks like the shooter at the Sikh temple was a Stormfront-style white supremacist.  Gosh, and those boys always seemed so nice.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/08/dear-the-media  http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-former-member-of-skinhead-band
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 06, 2012, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 05, 2012, 08:56:20 PM


Well, like, everything. I mean, the guy shot up a Sikh temple. Sikhs tend to be peaceful. Hence, the description of the shooter, because why the hell would anyone want to shoot up a Sikh temple?

Nothing to do with anything with this incident, but there have been Sikh terrorists, militants who want an independent state in Punjab, India.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 06, 2012, 08:46:31 PM
I know. Every religion has its crazies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2012, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 06, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
Anyway, looks like the shooter at the Sikh temple was a Stormfront-style white supremacist.  Gosh, and those boys always seemed so nice.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/08/dear-the-media  http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-former-member-of-skinhead-band

It's only a matter of time before Synbios flippers someone to death.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 12:09:29 AM
I'm severely lttp but I just saw this on gaf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI7Oq8y-jXA

What is this shit? The first half wasn't bad I guess, but the second falls back to the typical white America nostalgia bullshit for a time when everything was perfect and those people lived over there. This country has never been perfect, or particularly great when it comes to treating its citizens like citizens - at least not until rather recently

If you had given me a transcript of the second half of that rant and told me Glenn Beck said it, I'd probably believe you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2012, 12:30:37 AM
A lot of reviewers and bloggers have been piling on The Newsroom.  Emily Nussbaum just murdered it (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2012/06/25/120625crte_television_nussbaum?currentPage=all) in her New Yorker review.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 12:32:25 AM
I feel like I should like it, but I'm not really too hot on it. Seems very disjointed, at least compared to something like the West Wing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 07, 2012, 02:08:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 07, 2012, 12:30:37 AM
A lot of reviewers and bloggers have been piling on The Newsroom.  Emily Nussbaum just murdered it (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2012/06/25/120625crte_television_nussbaum?currentPage=all) in her New Yorker review.

that review made me not even bother.  the wonkette recaps have been mind boggling as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2012, 02:34:26 AM
I think Sorkin's tics have grated on people long enough that there were the makings of a backlash, and hoo boy does it sound like he's indulging in all his worst habits.

Never watched the West Wing seriously myself, but I did like Charlie Wilson's War.  There was also relatively little moralizing in that one, and more mischievous sausage-making.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2012, 03:33:28 AM
Sorkin on a leash can be entertaining but from everything I've read/heard about Newsroom that doesn't seem to be the case.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 07, 2012, 03:34:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 07, 2012, 02:34:26 AM
I think Sorkin's tics have grated on people long enough that there were the makings of a backlash, and hoo boy does it sound like he's indulging in all his worst habits.

Never watched the West Wing seriously myself, but I did like Charlie Wilson's War.  There was also relatively little moralizing in that one, and more mischievous sausage-making.

oh and plenty of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2012, 06:23:55 AM
PD we've been talking about how shitty newsroom is for weeks. where have you been?
Title: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on August 07, 2012, 07:09:52 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on April 26, 2012, 03:36:24 PM
I wish we had trade programs in the school system. Pushing college on everyone isn't the best idea.

Yeah, it's not the most valuable use of HS time if they can't afford college. And HS on its own isn't prepping anyone for an actual job...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2012, 07:19:23 AM
Some crazy PSA videos from my home city of Houston!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMcHgucmfI

THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BAD IDEA AT ALL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 07, 2012, 07:57:06 AM
http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/08/sen-lindsey-graham-calls-for.html

:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 08:48:16 AM
I got through about two West Wing episodes before I just had to stop. I've heard so much good stuff about the show, and I've seen great clips from it...but the dialogue was just too much. You can tell this guy sits around determining how people should talk in a perfect world where no one had to be politically correct or polite. It just comes off as too ridiculous.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2012, 08:58:02 AM
Today's athletes just aren't jingoistic enough, what happened to the days when the Olympics were just about how awesome American was?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85w6362CrG0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2012, 09:01:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGYLzaVXDeM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 09:04:46 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 07, 2012, 08:58:02 AM
Today's athletes just aren't jingoistic enough, what happened to the days when the Olympics were just about how awesome American was?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85w6362CrG0

Most of them didn't chose their outfits god dammit. Also, wearing US colors doesn't make you patriotic, jesus fuck

Even with the 90mil deal, I feel bad for Gabby Douglas. Getting shitted on by black people over her hair, now by distinguished mentally-challenged fellows over what she wears?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 09:43:04 AM
WHY DOESN'T GABBY HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG TATTOOED TO HER FOREHEAD DOES SHE HATE AMERICA???????
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
THIS IS WHY CHINA'S WINNING BECAUSE GABBY WASN'T DOING HER ROUTINE WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG DRAPED ACROSS HER SHOULDERS BECAUSE OBAMA TOLD HER NOT TO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 07, 2012, 07:57:06 AM
http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/08/sen-lindsey-graham-calls-for.html

:wtf

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/08/sen-lindsey-graham-raising-taxes-on.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 07, 2012, 09:50:53 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:47:16 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 07, 2012, 07:57:06 AM
http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/08/sen-lindsey-graham-calls-for.html

:wtf

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/08/sen-lindsey-graham-raising-taxes-on.html

There are 2 types of republicans:
1. Millionaires
2. Suckers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
Quote
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

Who the hell says something like this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 07, 2012, 10:13:52 AM
Clues to the Romney VP pick?

Also:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/07/158320294/one-clue-to-romneys-veep-pick-whose-wiki-page-is-getting-the-most-edits?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/07/158320294/one-clue-to-romneys-veep-pick-whose-wiki-page-is-getting-the-most-edits?ft=1&f=1014&sc=tw)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 07, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
Quote
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

Who the hell says something like this?

RICH ASSHOLES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on August 07, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
People who are oblivious and about to be fired.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on August 07, 2012, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 07, 2012, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
Quote
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

Who the hell says something like this?

RICH ASSHOLES

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

LOL, okay.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 07, 2012, 01:28:32 PM
Yep, Papa Johns just priced me out of the market with that hike. Good jon, Papa Johns.

THey probably won't be able to run any Superbowl ads this year.  :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 07, 2012, 02:04:56 PM
15 cents? For what? I mean, other than a modern, first-world health care system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
Papa Johns pizza sucks anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2012, 04:53:52 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on August 07, 2012, 02:04:56 PM
15 cents? For what? I mean, other than a modern, first-world health care system.

If we got rid of the FDA, I bet we could shave over 20 cents off a Papa John's pizza and the extra ebola is no charge!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2012, 05:36:46 PM
"HELLO, I WOULD LIKE A WORKS WITH RAINFOREST AIDS.  NO, WAIT.  MAKE THAT EXTRA RAINFOREST AIDS!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
Papa Johns pizza sucks anyway.

FIGHT ME

I love their pizza
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
Papa Johns pizza sucks anyway.

FIGHT ME

I love their pizza

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Of course you do, it's a large chain so why wouldn't you?  I swear, you must have the shittiest local places in the world to be like this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 07, 2012, 06:37:06 PM
I know discussion has moved on but I just wanted to say that I never really liked anything Aaron Sorkin has been involved in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 07, 2012, 07:04:10 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 07, 2012, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
Quote
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

Who the hell says something like this?

I'd guess someone that runs a business and is honest about what government-imposed additions to their bottom line always mean: higher prices.

Fuck off.  There are plenty of businesses GLAD to implement modern health-care for their workforce. This guys is just being an asshole because "meh, less money for our richie riches."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
Papa Johns pizza sucks anyway.

FIGHT ME

I love their pizza

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Of course you do, it's a large chain so why wouldn't you?  I swear, you must have the shittiest local places in the world to be like this.

DUDE I live in Michigan. I can't go to many local pizza places because we barely have any. Sure there are some great places downtown, but when I get home late and don't want to order Chinese, I hit up the local Papa Johns.

excuuuse me for not living in New York or Chicago  :maf :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
I live in Buttfuck, NC, a small mountain town.  We have 3 awesome local pizza places within 5 miles of my house; one is within walking distance.  I just think you're not trying :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
I actually got a $5 hot-n-ready for Little Caesars today  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 08:06:41 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 07, 2012, 01:25:18 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 09:59:19 AM
Quote
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-raise-pizza-prices-131331.html

Who the hell says something like this?

I'd guess someone that runs a business and is honest about what government-imposed additions to their bottom line always mean: higher prices.

It's not that he wants to pass the costs onto consumers so much as it seems this fucker is actually gleeful about the prospect of doing so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2012, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
I actually got a $5 hot-n-ready for Little Caesars today  :lol

 :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 07, 2012, 08:08:38 PM
We've got awesome pizza places around my house. We also have Garlic Jim's, which is just as cheap as Papa Johns, but way better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 07, 2012, 08:19:51 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 08:06:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
I actually got a $5 hot-n-ready for Little Caesars today  :lol

 :fbm

I get those fairly often when I'm at work, but at least I acknowledge that they're awful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
I live in Buttfuck, NC, a small mountain town.  We have 3 awesome local pizza places within 5 miles of my house; one is within walking distance.  I just think you're not trying :P

There's 3 or 4 local Italian joints not far from where I live that also do pizza, plus a local pizza place that's a deeply ingrained part of my childhood.

However, going a bit farther [70 miles versus 15], there's this new chain called Pie Five, which is basically a Subway restaurant that makes pizzas instead of sub sandwiches. It's really great. You pick you crust, you sauces, your meat, and your toppings. Then they throw it on this conveyor and it pops out the other side of an oven in about a minute, all cooked and ready to be eaten. Really decent prices too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 07, 2012, 08:35:46 PM
So we've got a primary election today in Washington state. However, the state Supreme Court final elections are on this ballot.

Steve Gonzalez, the incumbent judge, who has the endorsement of pretty much everyone, is running against Bruce Danielson, a lawyer who is pretty much unqualified and not endorsed by anyone.

http://vote.wa.gov/results/current/Supreme-Court-Justice-Position-8_ByCounty.html
Gonzalez is winning, but what is really sad is that Danielson is winning in 29 counties state wide. How much of this is due to his white sounding name? A WHOLE FUCKING LOT.

My Uncle is also running for Secretary of State, but I don't think he'll make it through the primary. He'll probably come in third (only the top two vote-getters move on here).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 07, 2012, 10:05:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
Papa Johns pizza sucks anyway.

FIGHT ME

I love their pizza

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Of course you do, it's a large chain so why wouldn't you?  I swear, you must have the shittiest local places in the world to be like this.

DUDE I live in Michigan. I can't go to many local pizza places because we barely have any. Sure there are some great places downtown, but when I get home late and don't want to order Chinese, I hit up the local Papa Johns.

excuuuse me for not living in New York or Chicago  :maf :'(


Don't you live in a college town?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 10:34:21 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 07, 2012, 10:05:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 04:18:29 PM
Papa Johns pizza sucks anyway.

FIGHT ME

I love their pizza

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Of course you do, it's a large chain so why wouldn't you?  I swear, you must have the shittiest local places in the world to be like this.

DUDE I live in Michigan. I can't go to many local pizza places because we barely have any. Sure there are some great places downtown, but when I get home late and don't want to order Chinese, I hit up the local Papa Johns.

excuuuse me for not living in New York or Chicago  :maf :'(


Don't you live in a college town?

Yea
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 07, 2012, 11:04:57 PM
Well then it makes sense that you'd have a few decent pizza places.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2012, 09:10:00 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2012, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
I live in Buttfuck, NC, a small mountain town.  We have 3 awesome local pizza places within 5 miles of my house; one is within walking distance.  I just think you're not trying :P

However, going a bit farther [70 miles versus 15], there's this new chain called Pie Five, which is basically a Subway restaurant that makes pizzas instead of sub sandwiches. It's really great. You pick you crust, you sauces, your meat, and your toppings. Then they throw it on this conveyor and it pops out the other side of an oven in about a minute, all cooked and ready to be eaten. Really decent prices too.

Sounds amazing! :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on August 08, 2012, 03:41:10 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 07, 2012, 08:04:53 PM
I live in Buttfuck, NC, a small mountain town.  We have 3 awesome local pizza places within 5 miles of my house; one is within walking distance.  I just think you're not trying :P
I live in rural county in Ohio.  There are probably 7-8 local pizza places in the county but they are so bad that the local Domino's outclasses them all.  To get a pizza better than Domino's I have to travel 30 miles.

Domino's isn't necessarily bad, just painfully mediocre.  Just about every other pizza place near me serves pizza that is actually kind of gross.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2012, 04:24:22 PM
The best place I've been to is Aubree's, which is a Michigan franchise. Great pizza and they have lots of local beer, although I've never tried any of that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 08, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
Not only do I have a shit-ton of awesome pizza places nearby, but there's also the chance to run into Cajole there (true story, he spotted me once at a local pizza joint!)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 08, 2012, 09:31:30 PM
He was probably responding to the beacon you put out on OKC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/baltimore-insider-blog/bal-obama-campaign-throwing-the-wire-fundraiser-20120723,0,6590364.story

:rofl :rofl

Obama you dunce
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 08, 2012, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 08, 2012, 11:19:12 PM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/features/baltimore-insider-blog/bal-obama-campaign-throwing-the-wire-fundraiser-20120723,0,6590364.story

:rofl :rofl

Obama you dunce

Quote
Obama is a hypocrite. He's going to pimp his "favorite show" The Wire, and then have the audacity to laugh at the very concept of legalizing marijuana? Really? Obama has far more harsh drug laws than even Bush and he tries to raise a fundraiser for a television show that was very, very anti-war on drugs? I hope David Simon calls him out on his shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2012, 11:53:39 PM
:rofl

Quote
The Wire was against the war on drugs? Must have missed that, for me it was a show about social problems and it didnt send any clear cut message about what was wrong, it just showed stuff "as is".

:rofl Kosma
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 09, 2012, 12:38:24 AM
Quote
Obama has said his favorite character from the show is Omar, the gun-toting, pajama-wearing, stick-up man.

Somebody needs to make an "Obama's coming!" gif.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
DUDE I live in Michigan. I can't go to many local pizza places because we barely have any. Sure there are some great places downtown, but when I get home late and don't want to order Chinese, I hit up the local Papa Johns.

excuuuse me for not living in New York or Chicago  :maf :'(
Wait, where do you live in Michigan again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2012, 10:18:16 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 09:48:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2012, 07:29:20 PM
DUDE I live in Michigan. I can't go to many local pizza places because we barely have any. Sure there are some great places downtown, but when I get home late and don't want to order Chinese, I hit up the local Papa Johns.

excuuuse me for not living in New York or Chicago  :maf :'(
Wait, where do you live in Michigan again?

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Ypsilanti
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I'm rather close to downtown, where there are a few nice places like Aubree's. But Papa Johns is closer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 10:25:57 AM
I've never really understood why that area and its famous neighbor are so seemingly dead in many respects.

Well okay, maybe I do.

Though I was probably spoiled with East Lansing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 09, 2012, 01:05:01 PM
Pizza Elitists, gotta love em.  Try living in a small town where you are lucky to even have a Pizza Hut.  Red Barron deep dish frozen pizzas, now that is good eating. I also enjoy Totinos and Jenos.


Where is all the outrage at Romney killing that lady with cancer, who just happened to have her own insurance and died 5 years after the closing? Freaking CNN was able to connect the dots.

Of course it was a super PAc SO WE All know Obamas camp was not involved.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html

Nope not one bit.


 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2012, 01:13:38 PM
Cry moar?

I really don't think conservatives have any credibility bitching about factualness in political ads. I'm sure they think they do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 01:18:45 PM
Team Romney's already got this one covered, bdough. They issued a response that if she had lived in Massachusetts she would have been covered by Romneycare, which is nothing like Obamacare, which is bad. Problem solved; Obama annihilated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 09, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
Romney is not winning a lot of points in my book. I read the Romenycare comments from him.  If he had any testicular fortitude, he would be putting out his tax records to shut Reid up and then go after Obama to release his college records from Columbia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 09, 2012, 01:05:01 PM
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html

Can someone explain the outrage to me?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 09, 2012, 01:05:01 PM
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/team-obama-says-they-dont-story-of-man-who-stars-of-131462.html

Can someone explain the outrage to me?

Obama's coordinating with his PACs! PAC are bad....NO WAIT, I mean Obama is bad! Unlimited political spending is still great! Whew, that was a close one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2012, 02:32:56 PM
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/417589/august-08-2012/obamacare-s-effect-on-pizza-costs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2012, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 09, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
Romney is not winning a lot of points in my book. I read the Romenycare comments from him.  If he had any testicular fortitude, he would be putting out his tax records to shut Reid up and then go after Obama to release his college records from Columbia.

Ah yes, the "release your college records" canard, because clearly this guy has just been handed everything throughout his entire life, as opposed to self-motivated go-getters that pulled themselves up by their own bootstraps to make something of themselves.  You know, like George W. Bush and Mitt Romney.

It's gotta be hard to be a Republican these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 04:36:50 PM
Rich folks got it tough, COG. 99%ers demanding rights and shit, it's not like the good ol' days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 09, 2012, 08:36:10 PM
The Obama campaign still manages to have questions about Romneys taxes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DABbkpHzg3o

While Harry Ried continues his long-form round of Guess Who:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/harry-reid-my-source-on-romneys-taxes-is

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“This person is an investor in Bain Capital, a Republican also, and somebody who has been dealing with Romney’s company for a long, long time and he has direct knowledge of this,” said Reid aide Jose Parra, referring to Romney’s tax returns.

Getting awfully specific for something completely made up.

Also,  this: 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/conservative-group-launches-dump-romney-campaign

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A group called "Jews and Christians Together," which backed Rick Santorum in the Republican primary, is sending a memo to Republican National Convention delegates urging them not to vote for Mitt Romney at the convention, even if they're bound to him

We’re just saying that Romney has so many liabilities that will be exploited by Obama," Baldwin said in a phone interview. "I don’t have a problems with Mormons personally, but it is a liability issue" among evangelical voters, Baldwin said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 09, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
Oh and here's a video of our old friend and one of Romneys chosen surrogates gushing about what a great guy he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEQC3X3tDqI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2012, 09:08:39 PM
Conservatives whining over super PACs? lol. Obama is beating you at your own game, with less money
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2012, 10:48:46 PM
Obama has nothing to do with his super PAC :smug

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd imagine Axerod knew about that ad weeks before it aired. Same with Romney's folks talking to Karl Rove
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 09, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 09, 2012, 10:46:13 PM
there's also no reason for repugnantly stupid shit like this not to get called out

Unless it's a candidate lying about knowledge of a bunch of racist newsletters he published.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2012, 11:28:14 PM
Agreed, it's a stupid ad. Although I agree with the official Romney team response that if the lady had lived in MA, she would have survived thanks to universal health care :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 09, 2012, 11:58:33 PM
I think the death ad was the first overreach by Obama or his allies and I absolutely cannot believe Romney whiffed it

Quote from: bdoughty on August 09, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
Romney is not winning a lot of points in my book. I read the Romenycare comments from him.  If he had any testicular fortitude, he would be putting out his tax records to shut Reid up and then go after Obama to release his college records from Columbia.

Unless Reid is right LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 12:58:06 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 09, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 09, 2012, 10:46:13 PM
there's also no reason for repugnantly stupid shit like this not to get called out

Unless it's a candidate lying about knowledge of a bunch of racist newsletters he published.  :smug

(http://i.qkme.me/352wvm.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2012, 11:33:28 AM
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“We are not auditioning for fearless leader,” Grover Norquist told conservatives at the CPAC convention in February. “We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.”

Norquist went on: “Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.”
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/mitt-romney-paul-ryan-budget-conservatives-vice-president-health-care.php?ref=fpa

So Grover wants a real Manchurian candidate?


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 10, 2012, 11:45:56 AM
So they want another Bush?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 12:06:07 PM
That's not really a new thing from Grover, IIRC he's long contended that chasing the Presidency is misguided (especially after Forbes bombed) and that real change has to be done through Congress since a President (like Clinton) will play along with the "national vibe" or whatever.

And because it's easier to knock off (ELECTORALLY) Congresspeople.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2012, 02:52:26 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2012, 11:28:14 PM
Agreed, it's a stupid ad. Although I agree with the official Romney team response that if the lady had lived in MA, she would have survived thanks to universal health care :smug

https://twitter.com/jwpetersNYT/status/233687261445779456

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
Nothing like a knife in the back from a fellow Mormon, eh Mitt?

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/jon-huntsman-sr-calls-on-romney-to-release-his-tax-returns.php?ref=fpb

In further Rmoney news, he's begging Obama to stop hammering him on his taxes and Bain:

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/romney-to-obama-please-stop-attacking-my-business-taxes.php?ref=fpa

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“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.

Of course your campaign would be helped immensely, Willard.  You're LOSING.  You're losing because as much as the economy sucks, Washington is paralyzed by historic, unprecedented gridlock and we have a freaking BLACK PRESIDENT, America doesn't want a corporate raiding, outsourcing, Cayman tax-shelter having Layoffer in chief.  Shit's gotta sting, broseph.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 10, 2012, 05:36:56 PM
Without having seen it in context, that comes across as fairly whiney and submissive for a republican candidate, especially one with a book out called NO APOLOGIES or something similar.  A winner laughs off baseless attacks and sees the impotence in them.  How am I supposed to project my deep-seated yearning for a commanding father figure on to this dude now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
Romney: Upset that people are [possibly] overestimating his ability to avoid paying taxes and fire lots of people in order to make a ton of money

Obama: Shrugs off accusations that he's a socialist, Kenyan, Muslim terrorist who wants to take away everyone's guns, force God-fearing Americans into gay sex orgies, give free money to lazy minorities, and run our country into the ground while bowing and scraping to European/Asian/Middle East nations
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on August 10, 2012, 05:36:56 PM
Without having seen it in context, that comes across as fairly whiney and submissive for a republican candidate, especially one with a book out called NO APOLOGIES or something similar.  A winner laughs off baseless attacks and sees the impotence in them.  How am I supposed to project my deep-seated yearning for a commanding father figure on to this dude now?

Keep in mind that this is Willard Mittens Romney we're talking about here.  He was born with a silver spoon for the platinum spoon in his ass, and everytime he opens his mouth and says stuff like this I just become more convinced that he's astounded that all of us in the serf class aren't overjoyed and throwing him a parade all the way to the White House because he deigned to let us elect him President and save us from the evil Black Man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 06:29:01 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 10, 2012, 05:21:57 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/romney-to-obama-please-stop-attacking-my-business-taxes.php?ref=fpa

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“Our campaign would be — helped immensely if we had an agreement between both campaigns that we were only going to talk about issues and that attacks based upon — business or family or taxes or things of that nature,” Romney said, according to excerpts of an upcoming interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd released Friday.

LOL, wow. I can't believe he actually said that. After Kerry got swiftboated and Obama's birth certificate, now we're gonna focus on issues? :lol

But surely Romney himself would never attack someone else's "business or family or taxes or things of that nature."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKejP1UOLo

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 10, 2012, 06:35:17 PM
that wasn't Romney! that was a SuperPAC! they're not coordinating! :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 06:58:44 PM
$1.6 million working for a company that got people kicked out of their homes seems like such a drop in the bucket in these heady Bain Capital days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 10, 2012, 11:37:28 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fareed-zakaria-suspended-by-cnn-time-for-plagiarism/2012/08/10/f6315e96-e335-11e1-ae7f-d2a13e249eb2_story.html -- fgsfds
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 10, 2012, 11:45:21 PM
Gawd, what the hell was Fareed thinking?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 10, 2012, 11:48:04 PM
Yeesh.  Both Zakaria and the source he took from are way too high profile to expect nobody to notice.

And I don't want to come off as "I never liked him..." because he was a rare rational voice talking about foreign policy in the early 00's, but a lot of his other writing (especially on economic policy) has been pretty lousy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 10, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
yeah, on balance, I like Fareed, but wtf?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 12:08:44 AM
Romney is picking his VP tomorrow. In Virginia. Lots of talk that it'll be Paul Ryan, but considering it's being announced in Virginia....wouldn't governor Bob McDonnell be the obvious choice?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118810/-Mitt-Romney-to-announce-GOP-s-2016-front-runner-in-Norfolk-Virginia

If it's Ryan I'm guessing conservatives plan on getting blown out on their own terms - or maybe they feel another economic crash could be the trojan horse required to make this work. Because there's no fucking way any sensible establishment republican could look at Ryan's budget and put him on a national ticket.

get ready to hear "voucher" a million times bros
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 11, 2012, 12:12:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 12:08:44 AM
Romney is picking his VP tomorrow. In Virginia. Lots of talk that it'll be Paul Ryan, but considering it's being announced in Virginia....wouldn't governor Bob McDonnell be the obvious choice?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118810/-Mitt-Romney-to-announce-GOP-s-2016-front-runner-in-Norfolk-Virginia

If it's Ryan I'm guessing conservatives plan on getting blown out on their own terms - or maybe they feel another economic crash could be the trojan horse required to make this work. Because there's no fucking way any sensible establishment republican could look at Ryan's budget and put him on a national ticket.

get ready to hear "voucher" a million times bros

I still think it will be a woman or a minority.  Just a pulled-out-of-my-ass guess though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 12:18:08 AM
oh shit, multiple people on NBC are confirming Ryan and the secret service allegedly just showed up at his house  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2012, 12:22:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 12:08:44 AM
Romney is picking his VP tomorrow. In Virginia. Lots of talk that it'll be Paul Ryan, but considering it's being announced in Virginia....wouldn't governor Bob McDonnell be the obvious choice?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118810/-Mitt-Romney-to-announce-GOP-s-2016-front-runner-in-Norfolk-Virginia

If it's Ryan I'm guessing conservatives plan on getting blown out on their own terms - or maybe they feel another economic crash could be the trojan horse required to make this work. Because there's no fucking way any sensible establishment republican could look at Ryan's budget and put him on a national ticket.

get ready to hear "voucher" a million times bros

Obama announced Biden in Indiana iirc, and Palin got announced somewhere in the mid-west.  Romney is going to lose Minnesota and Wisconsin no matter what, makes more sense to do it somewhere where he can have an impact from being there at least.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 12:18:08 AM
oh shit, multiple people on NBC are confirming Ryan and the secret service allegedly just showed up at his house  :lol

:omg We can't be that lucky, can we?  Also, poor T-Paw- losing out on the veep nod two elections in a row, first to a grifting hillbilly barbie wannabe and then to a dead eyed granny killing Randroid.  I honestly don't think that Romney could have made a choice that HELPED him overly much, but this will end up actively hurting him in the long run.  Makes Florida more of a stretch, for sure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2012, 12:34:46 AM
:lol

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/11/romney-to-announce-running-mate-saturday-morning/?hpt=hp_t1

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And yet many Republicans who spoke to CNN – all of them granted anonymity to speak freely without angering Romney officials in Boston - wondered why Romney would announce the pick on a weekend when millions of potential voters are likely to be distracted by the Olympics, PGA golf, late season baseball and the box office release of the latest Bourne thriller.

"This is probably just the Romney campaign jerking with the press," said one Republican operative close to one of Romney's potential running mates, referring to the private jet in Wisconsin.

Many rank-and-file Romney staffers contacted by CNN remained clueless about plans for VP rollout, but admitted that it would only take a late night phone call and a few hours to fly Romney's pick into Virginia from Florida, New Hampshire, Ohio or elsewhere early on Saturday morning.

Aides to several Republicans on the vice presidential shortlist said their bosses had not been contacted by Romney as of Friday evening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 12:47:32 AM
Gotta change the subject from taxes/Bain by any means!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2012, 04:06:54 AM
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"I have made the decision to release 10 years of tax returns. Paul Ryan's. // LOL #gopfail

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 11, 2012, 07:46:39 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/us/politics/mitt-romney-names-paul-ryan-as-his-running-mate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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WASHINGTON – Mitt Romney has chosen Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin to be his running mate and will introduce him on Saturday morning in Norfolk, Va., the campaign said, a selection that shakes up the presidential race and presents a Republican ticket that offers a sharp choice for voters in November.

what a wonderful thing to wake up to
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 11, 2012, 07:52:43 AM
GOP: "Fuck it"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2012, 09:51:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/7E2jF.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 11, 2012, 10:16:54 AM
How I learned to stop worrying and love the :americanGAME CHANGE:american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
Obama and co. have to be shaking their heads.  Well, after they stopped laughing uncontrollably.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 11, 2012, 11:09:08 AM
"when deciding on the VP choice, we really wanted something that resembled the 'American Psycho Ticket' as closely as possible".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2012, 11:10:42 AM
I'm sorry, I have to return some videos.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2012, 12:17:03 PM
Romney: "Just because I picked the guy doesn't mean I actually agree with him or plan to implement the Ryan Budget in way, so please don't attack me on that, Mr. Obama.  :uguu"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/11/romney-camp-prepares-medicare-defense-after-ryan-pick/

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1) Does this mean Mitt Romney is adopting the Paul Ryan plan?

· Gov. Romney applauds Paul Ryan for going in the right direction with his budget, and as president he will be putting together his own plan for cutting the deficit and putting the budget on a path to balance.

· Romney’s administration will go through the budget line by line and ask two questions: Can we afford it? And, if not, should we borrow money from China to pay for it?

· Mitt Romney will start with the easiest cut of all: Obamacare, a trillion-dollar entitlement we don’t want and can’t afford.

· Mitt Romney also laid out commonsense reforms that will make good on our promises to today’s seniors and save Social Security and Medicare for future generations.

2) Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have different views on some policy areas – like Medicare spending, entitlement reform, labor, etc. – do you think those differences are going to hurt or help?

· Of course they aren’t going to have the same view on every issue. But they both share the view that this election is a choice about two fundamentally different paths for this country. President Obama has taken America down a path of debt and decline. Romney and Ryan believe in a path for America that leads to more jobs, less debt and smaller government. So, while you might find an issue or two where they might not agree, they are in complete agreement on the direction that they want to lead America
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 11, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
Republicans and Democrats agree: Thanks for picking Paul Ryan!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 04:25:13 PM
I'm proud to have Mr. Ryan on the ticket.  However, let it be known that I disagree with him on the only issues which have made him a prominent figure!

I'm skeptical this will actually hurt Romney, but it's still dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 04:25:13 PM
I'm proud to have Mr. Ryan on the ticket.  However, let it be known that I disagree with him on the only issues which have made him a prominent figure!

I'm skeptical this will actually hurt Romney, but it's still dumb.

Why? Just curious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 04:38:43 PM
I'll probably write a big block of text at some point, if only to clarify for myself, but short version is I think there will be a huge amount of obfuscation and bullshitting about what's in Ryan's plan and what's in Obamacare, and the media won't do a great job cutting through all that to the facts.  So people will hear conflicting stories and gravitate to the one that upsets their worldview the least.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2012, 04:42:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAWbuYMWsvE

edit:

aw, the Chairman seemed to make the same mistake. Makes it less amusing now. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElChQ6g2Io
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2012, 04:49:30 PM
lol:

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/11/677261/paul-ryan-qualified/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Sman on August 11, 2012, 04:50:33 PM
Knowing everything I know about Paul Ryan, I view this pick as polarizing. If I were a guy not interested in politics, I'd be more motivated to vote in this election with Ryan on the Republican ticket. Not for Obama, but rather against the Republicans.

I guess, conversely, this must have the opposite effect on Conservatives (make them vote for Romney).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2012, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 04:38:43 PM
I'll probably write a big block of text at some point, if only to clarify for myself, but short version is I think there will be a huge amount of obfuscation and bullshitting about what's in Ryan's plan and what's in Obamacare, and the media won't do a great job cutting through all that to the facts.  So people will hear conflicting stories and gravitate to the one that upsets their worldview the least.

Interestingly the Ryan plan is more unpopular than Obamacare in many places. The last polls I saw had it with a 16 point unavailability edge in Florida. Yeah...

I do feel there's too much celebrating on the left right now, but it's also true the budget is very unpopular, as that NY-26 race showed last year where a dem won a seat dominated by republicans for decades
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2012, 05:17:13 PM
Romney's pretend second wife, Jennifer Rubin, was asked how the Ryan plan isn't radical, and the only defense she could muster was that Ron Wyden also supported it.

Unfortunately, what Wyden supported was a modification of the Ryan plan, but even he rejects the Ryan plan as is. These people are absolutely fucked if that's the best they can do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 11, 2012, 05:17:51 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2012, 04:38:43 PM
I'll probably write a big block of text at some point, if only to clarify for myself, but short version is I think there will be a huge amount of obfuscation and bullshitting about what's in Ryan's plan and what's in Obamacare, and the media won't do a great job cutting through all that to the facts.  So people will hear conflicting stories and gravitate to the one that upsets their worldview the least.

eh, so far the Obama camp has been pretty good at "setting the narrative" about Romney's policies/history. I don't think they'll have any trouble convincing seniors/poor people that the Ryan budget is a disaster for them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 11, 2012, 05:29:59 PM
Quote from: Sman on August 11, 2012, 04:50:33 PM
Knowing everything I know about Paul Ryan, I view this pick as polarizing. If I were a guy not interested in politics, I'd be more motivated to vote in this election with Ryan on the Republican ticket. Not for Obama, but rather against the Republicans.

I guess, conversely, this must have the opposite effect on Conservatives (make them vote for Romney).

This election was going to boil down to Not Obama vs. Not Romney anyway
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 11, 2012, 07:41:27 PM
Double post!

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/10/us/mississippi-juvenile-justice/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

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(CNN) -- Officials in Lauderdale County, Mississippi, have operated "a school-to-prison pipeline" that violates the constitutional rights of juveniles by incarcerating them for alleged school disciplinary infractions, some as minor as defiance, the U.S. Department of Justice said Friday.

"Students most affected by this system are African-American children and children with disabilities," the Justice Department said.

The federal agency's civil rights division seeks "meaningful negotiations" in 60 days to end the constitutional violations or else a federal lawsuit would be filed against state, county and local officials in Meridian, according to a Justice Department letter dated Friday to those officials.

The letter also names two Lauderdale County Youth Court judges, Frank Coleman and Veldore Young.  State and local officials couldn't be reached immediately for comment Friday.

"The systematic disregard for children's basic constitutional rights by agencies with a duty to protect and serve these children betrays the public trust," Thomas E. Perez, assistant U.S. attorney general, said in a statement. "We hope to resolve the concerns outlined in our findings in a collaborative fashion, but we will not hesitate to take appropriate legal action if necessary."
In 2009, the Lauderdale County Juvenile Detention Facility in Meridian was the target of a federal class-action lawsuit by the Southern Poverty Law Center that alleged children and teens were subjected to "shockingly inhumane" treatment, the center said.

The alleged mistreatment included youngsters being "crammed into small, filthy cells and tormented with the arbitrary use of Mace as a punishment for even the most minor infractions -- such as 'talking too much' or failing to sit in the 'back of their cells,'" the center said in a statement.

In 2010, Lauderdale County officials and the center reached an agreement to reform the jail system and consider alternatives to sending youths to the detention center, said the Southern Poverty Law Center, a nonprofit civil rights group.

"I think this is evidence of a broken system where the most vulnerable population of kids are not receiving their constitutionally guaranteed rights," Jody Owens II, managing attorney for the center's Mississippi office, told CNN.

On Friday, the U.S. Justice Department accused Meridian police of automatically arresting all students referred by the city's public schools and then sending them to the county juvenile justice system, "where existing due process protections are illusory and inadequate," the federal letter says.

The police department command staff and officers characterized their agency as a "taxi service" for the schools and juvenile detention facility, without assessing the circumstances of the alleged charges against students, the Justice Department said.

"The Youth Court places children on probation, and the terms of the probation set by the Youth Court and DYS require children on probation to serve any suspensions from school incarcerated in the juvenile detention center," the Justice Department letter said.

TL;DR version - Mississippi county has a school to (privatized) prison pipeline where minors get sent to prison for very minor offenses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
Just another example of Obama taking away our rights.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 11, 2012, 10:50:10 PM
Sounds like the adults need some prison time for their crime is much greater than the children.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2012, 10:58:02 PM
Mississippi, ladies and gentleman, Mississippi.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 01:42:54 AM
for JayDubya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqO5JnvQSm0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2012, 01:45:05 AM
Why did everyone start laughing when Ryan started talking about "personalizing" SS?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2012, 02:30:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 01:42:54 AM
for JayDubya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqO5JnvQSm0

The amount of Ayn Rand worshiping in that video is horrifying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 02:40:05 AM
Put your hand on the floor of your room. Feel that? It's the collective throbbing of Mandark, Triumph, and Prole's hate boners from miles away
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2012, 03:06:06 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-cracks-joke-as-71-year-old-citizen-is-forced-to-the-ground-videos/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 03:19:33 AM
I think Ryan will destroy Biden in a debate, but I am curious to see how old people react to that debate. Ryan will probably remind old people of their snotty libertarian grand kid who claims Medicare is unconstitutional
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2012, 03:50:58 AM
You're nuts; whenever Ryan is faced with someone who isn't tripping over themselves to tell him how smart, courageous, brave and gosh darned SERIOUS he his for his pure awesomeness, rugged good looks and principled stand in wanting to use magic and pig entrails to create a budget, he gets bitchy and defensive about how shit works.  Biden gets a bad rap- he's kind of a lunatic, potentially senile, and looked like a putz in his debate with Palin, but that was because HE COULDN'T LAY INTO HER WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE A DICK.  Which no one would be impressed with.  He will be under absolutely NO such constraints when he faces off with Capt. Vouchers.  While I expect Ryan to hit Biden plenty, I also expect Biden to leave a smoldering crater where Ryan was standing because it's really goddamn easy when you start looking at the specifics of what he wants to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2012, 04:29:03 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 12, 2012, 03:50:58 AM
You're nuts; whenever Ryan is faced with someone who isn't tripping over themselves to tell him how smart, courageous, brave and gosh darned SERIOUS he his for his pure awesomeness, rugged good looks and principled stand in wanting to use magic and pig entrails to create a budget, he gets bitchy and defensive about how shit works.  Biden gets a bad rap- he's kind of a lunatic, potentially senile, and looked like a putz in his debate with Palin, but that was because HE COULDN'T LAY INTO HER WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE A DICK.  Which no one would be impressed with.  He will be under absolutely NO such constraints when he faces off with Capt. Vouchers.  While I expect Ryan to hit Biden plenty, I also expect Biden to leave a smoldering crater where Ryan was standing because it's really goddamn easy when you start looking at the specifics of what he wants to do.

Fo realz, yo.

Not sure if PD's just opinionatin' with his Halperin cap on, but (and I've said this a billion times) we need to stop looking at any GOPer that can talk and blink at the same time and declare that they're somehow "intellectuals".

And boy genius, Paul Ryan has lasted far too long with that inappropriate label, and I look forward to seeing Biden eviscerate him.

Also, it's been a long time since I've seen the prior VP debates, but Biden didn't have any major gaffes, did he? The only noteworthy thing about it was that Palin didn't throw up repeatedly every time it was her turn to speak.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 12, 2012, 08:52:09 AM
Quote from: Borys on August 12, 2012, 07:45:49 AM
So Mittens is done for after this Ryan move, right? That's what I understood from Euro press.

The election day is less than three months so I wouldn't count on anything yet.  However, in spite of Romney outraising Obama in funding for the past couple of months, he's losing ground in most if not all of the swing states.  Tea party or not, "Main Street America" still despises Wall Street and to vote for a Wall Street guy is a tall order in this recession-depression.  Then add a VP pick who provided an extremely unpopular budget alternative a while back to boot.

Still, crazier things have happened and if there is another crash ala 2008 or something extremely damning about Obama (not an out of context quote about businesses), we'll be getting Romney.  While it is possible those two things could happen, it isn't very probable.

The real issue to me is how the Senate and Representatives will go.  If the Senate turns GOP majority, we'll have another two years of a do nothing government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Momo on August 12, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
http://m.news24.com/news24/MyNews24/Three-reasons-South-Africa-will-fail-20120809

Gigantic wall of text rant at the state of south african politics
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 12, 2012, 12:28:16 PM
(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/20120811_paulryan_deficitfauxhawk_02.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
If the economy crashes it won't matter what Ryan has to say about Medicare: republicans will win a wave election. If this fall plays out like last fall, when we saw rather consistent six figure jobs growth, I think Obama wins barring a scandal or terrorist attack.

Last week I didn't think dems had a chance at winning back the house, but would keep the senate. Now, with Ryan on the ticket? I definitely think the house is in play big time.

If Obama wins a big election/dems take the house, they better shit can the filibuster in the senate - or at least heavily change it. I don't see republicans giving up and deciding to work with Obama even if he wins 49 states. They'll be gearing up for 2014 the minute after Obama is inaugurated. Shit can the filibuster, pass the Jobs Act. No more grand legislative attempts (immigration, energy, etc) until unemployment is under control.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2012, 05:05:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AbAUl.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2012, 07:05:48 PM
:lol


Also, both T-Paw and the Newtster said that Mittens' and Ryan's lack of foreign policy experience is a GOOD thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 12, 2012, 07:32:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIG0Vgd0aY

 :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2012, 07:37:12 PM
DWS is goddamned idiot. She's one of the dumbest democrats in a position of high power I've ever seen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 08:31:40 PM
I cannot stand her. I'm assuming she got the job as a favor/show of good faith to the Clinton camp. She's a hardcore Clintonite and the worst democrat surrogate.

In a logical world, Howard Dean would still be the DNC head
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2012, 08:42:40 PM
What happened to Dean? Did he piss off the wrong people or what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Pretty much. Establishment democrats hate his guts; Rahm Emmanuel especially doesn't like him. Dude basically set the board for the 2006 and 2008 successes with his 50 state strategy, yet they still hated on him. What a shame.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 12, 2012, 09:03:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm_6NVB3TR0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 12, 2012, 09:07:16 PM
I go off the grid for the weekend and this happens. Wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on August 12, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
Hahahaha!  :lol

Mitt is like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

(http://i.minus.com/ibsAoa1iYGqDIT.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 13, 2012, 08:48:37 PM
You're off the ticket, son.

(http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18398432/images/1332304923407.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 13, 2012, 08:49:59 PM
Someone give DWS her own 24 hour TV network. All DWS all the time.

Wolf freaking Blitzer even makes her look foolish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5NJF5Fcvmg


Oh and yeah, shocking that she suddenly realizes what she really knew all along.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/debbie-wasserman-schultz-walks-back-priorities-usa-comment-of-course-i-know-its-democratic-affiliated/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 13, 2012, 10:14:15 PM
Another gun nutter kills some people.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/13/justice/texas-am-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Quote
On a Facebook page purported to be by Caffall, three of the seven profile pictures are of rifles, three feature dogs and one shows a man in an image much like one distributed Monday night by the city of College Station. The writer indicates he is divorced and has a mother, sister and brother.

The page also includes a quote saying, "We are all capable of redemption, if we are willing to change," plus another he attributes to George Orwell stating, "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

No comment on the bolded part.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 13, 2012, 10:16:24 PM
Image of the shooter:

(http://i.imgur.com/zs9Hj.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 13, 2012, 10:17:37 PM
Pedo-smile.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 14, 2012, 06:08:57 PM
Hope & No Chains? Biden, if only you  could hide him in a closet with Debbie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 14, 2012, 06:48:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnAp3YxCCw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.etruth.com/article/20120813/NEWS01/708139942/0/FRONTPAGE

Looks like the Tea Party is feeling neglected.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 04:09:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rMfztUWy7c

Auto bailout cost now at $25 million.  In the 20th century there was no bailout cost.  Smart move Joe, get em to forget the realities of this century.  ;)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.etruth.com/article/20120813/NEWS01/708139942/0/FRONTPAGE

Looks like the Tea Party is feeling neglected.

Thankfully atheists are above such things.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/13/first-on-cnn-atheist-group-targets-presidential-candidates-faith-with-billboards/

Ooops.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.etruth.com/article/20120813/NEWS01/708139942/0/FRONTPAGE

Looks like the Tea Party is feeling neglected.

Thankfully atheists are above such things.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/13/first-on-cnn-atheist-group-targets-presidential-candidates-faith-with-billboards/

Ooops.

I fail to see your point, plus I think atheist groups like that are gigantic jackasses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 15, 2012, 04:32:08 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 04:09:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rMfztUWy7c

Auto bailout cost now at $25 million.  In the 20th century there was no bailout cost.  Smart move Joe, get em to forget the realities of this century.  ;)

I guess he shares Romney's concern over the Soviet threat, then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.etruth.com/article/20120813/NEWS01/708139942/0/FRONTPAGE

Looks like the Tea Party is feeling neglected.

Thankfully atheists are above such things.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/13/first-on-cnn-atheist-group-targets-presidential-candidates-faith-with-billboards/

Ooops.

I fail to see your point, plus I think atheist groups like that are gigantic jackasses.

bdoughty's just mad that the one aimed at Obama didn't properly display his religion as Kenyan Muslimism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 15, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
who the fuck is this clown
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 15, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
bdoughty's just mad that the one aimed at Obama didn't properly display his religion as Kenyan Muslimism.


No I just find it amusing that Atheists and Liberals tend to shy away from attacking the Islam faith (there is plenty of good stuff to work with in the Qur'an). Has nothing to with Obama, just that it appears most are afraid they will get stuck on a list with Kurt Westergaard and having to build a safe room in their house.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
Probably cuz we aren't dealing with bigotry and hate from teh muslimz.....

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 15, 2012, 05:36:54 PM
i'm surprised you're not freaking out over the guy who walked into Family Research Council and tried to shoot up the place over their standing with chik-fil-a.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2012, 05:38:06 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 15, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
bdoughty's just mad that the one aimed at Obama didn't properly display his religion as Kenyan Muslimism.


No I just find it amusing that Atheists and Liberals tend to shy away from attacking the Islam faith (there is plenty of good stuff to work with in the Qur'an). Has nothing to with Obama, just that it appears most are afraid they will get stuck on a list with Kurt Westergaard and having to build a safe room in their house.

From the article you posted:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/01/atheist-group-targets-muslims-jews-with-myth-billboards-in-arabic-and-hebrew/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2012, 05:38:46 PM
That's just hearsay, Eric P. We need to not jump to conclusions and wait for the facts. /hannity
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 15, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:28:30 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 15, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
bdoughty's just mad that the one aimed at Obama didn't properly display his religion as Kenyan Muslimism.


No I just find it amusing that Atheists and Liberals tend to shy away from attacking the Islam faith (there is plenty of good stuff to work with in the Qur'an). Has nothing to with Obama, just that it appears most are afraid they will get stuck on a list with Kurt Westergaard and having to build a safe room in their house.

Where are all these Muslim politcians forcing Sharia law on America?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:40:14 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 15, 2012, 05:35:54 PM
Probably cuz we aren't dealing with bigotry and hate from teh muslimz.....

Define "we" for us. I am sure there was no hate involved in certain attacks on our country and on our soldiers in foreign lands.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:41:07 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 15, 2012, 05:38:06 PM
From the article you posted:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/01/atheist-group-targets-muslims-jews-with-myth-billboards-in-arabic-and-hebrew/

Well kudos for them showing some balls.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
I thought we were talking about a billboard?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 15, 2012, 05:36:54 PM
i'm surprised you're not freaking out over the guy who walked into Family Research Council and tried to shoot up the place over their standing with chik-fil-a.

Are the facts out?  Still waiting for more details myself. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Actually liberal feminist groups were trying to drum up support for women's rights in Afghanistan since well before 9/11, Human Rights Watch & Amnesty International report regularly on human rights violations in the Muslim world, etc.

Now you won't see as many American liberals bitching on message boards about Islam-driven politics as you'll see them bitching about Christianity-driven politics.  But that's cause in the US Christianity is easily the dominant religion and swings a big stick in politics, while Muslims are part of a half-accepted minority.

So while we have influential organized Christian political groups in the US trying to enforce their particular morals in gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, foreign policy, anti-sharia panic, public school curriculums, birth control access, then showing up on message boards to whine and moan about being called bigots, what influence do Muslims have?  They can barely build their version of a YMCA without dealing with a PR shitstorm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
what influence do Muslims have?  They can barely build their version of a YMCA without dealing with a PR shitstorm.

Yeah, it is that simple and the location has nothing to do with it. Muslims have plenty of influence in the areas that they heavily populate in the US.  Look at the legislation in certain states to fight against Sharia law creeping into the judicial system.

You can google Sharia Law, US, examples and there is plenty to look at.  Poor Disney had a set of simple dress requirements that one young Muslim must have looked at before signing up for a job as a server. Disney even tried to accommodate her, not good enough, lawsuit for you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2012, 06:05:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 04:06:05 PM
http://www.etruth.com/article/20120813/NEWS01/708139942/0/FRONTPAGE

Looks like the Tea Party is feeling neglected.

the implication being that if voters do not get rid of said thread, someone else will have to? disgusting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
You can google Sharia Law, US, examples and there is plenty to look at. 

The first hit is this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/26/no-shariah-law-is-not-being-imposed-in-the-us/

Very informative, thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 15, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
who the fuck is this clown

Must have skipped over this. I see the Neogaf posting etiquette in political/religious/homosexual topics for the left makes it way here. If thou does not agree he must be... A fucktard/bigot/racist/etc.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2012, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
what influence do Muslims have?  They can barely build their version of a YMCA without dealing with a PR shitstorm.

Yeah, it is that simple and the location has nothing to do with it. Muslims have plenty of influence in the areas that they heavily populate in the US.  Look at the legislation in certain states to fight against Sharia law creeping into the judicial system.

You can google Sharia Law, US, examples and there is plenty to look at.  Poor Disney had a set of simple dress requirements that one young Muslim must have looked at before signing up for a job as a server. Disney even tried to accommodate her, not good enough, lawsuit for you.

that sounds terrible !!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 15, 2012, 06:05:48 PM

The first hit is this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/26/no-shariah-law-is-not-being-imposed-in-the-us/

Very informative, thanks for the heads up!

Well if we all went on the first hit, we would all be batting 1.000. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 15, 2012, 06:10:14 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 15, 2012, 05:22:00 PM
who the fuck is this clown

Must have skipped over this. I see the Neogaf posting etiquette in political/religious/homosexual topics for the left makes it way here. If thou does not agree he must be... A fucktard/bigot/racist/etc.

I'll take option #1  :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Seems like there is a distinction between a gaffe and a mistake. Romney confusing Sikhs with Sheiks was a mistake for instance; I give him the benefit of the doubt there. Likewise, Biden accidentally saying we're in the 20th century...is a mistake.

A gaffe is something like...oh Palin's entire VP performance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on August 15, 2012, 06:10:14 PM

I'll take option #1  :D

But why limit yourself to just one option? It was not a multiple choice. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:15:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Seems like there is a distinction between a gaffe and a mistake. Romney confusing Sikhs with Sheiks was a mistake for instance; I give him the benefit of the doubt there. Likewise, Biden accidentally saying we're in the 20th century...is a mistake.

A gaffe is something like...oh Palin's entire VP performance.

Biden is getting in Palin territory. In the same speech he did call congressman Ryan, Governor Ryan.  I think senility has set in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 15, 2012, 06:23:58 PM
I was all for listening to you, but then you brought in the "Sharia law is taking over America" bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 15, 2012, 06:29:04 PM
Can fucktard/bigot be put into a venn diagram?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 06:30:51 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
what influence do Muslims have?  They can barely build their version of a YMCA without dealing with a PR shitstorm.

Yeah, it is that simple and the location has nothing to do with it. Muslims have plenty of influence in the areas that they heavily populate in the US.  Look at the legislation in certain states to fight against Sharia law creeping into the judicial system.

You can google Sharia Law, US, examples and there is plenty to look at.  Poor Disney had a set of simple dress requirements that one young Muslim must have looked at before signing up for a job as a server. Disney even tried to accommodate her, not good enough, lawsuit for you.

I don't need to google it.  I've been aware of the sharia panicmongering from folks like Pam Gellar and Glenn Beck for over a decade now.  I remember the freakouts about the crescent shape of the logo at a nuclear summit, the crescent shape of the Flight 93 memorial, and Rachel Ray's motherfucking scarf.

Sharia's not a threat to the legal system and legislation against it is only evidence of the political climate in those states.  Why do you think sharia's mostly legislated against in heavily Republican southern states rather than the Mid-Atlantic/Midwest states where Muslims are most concentrated?

Hell, everyone who screams about sharia doesn't even understand what it is, as evidenced by the Disney example.  Sharia includes a system for accommodating nonbelievers under Muslim rule.  The case you cited is the exact opposite: delineating how Muslims should be accommodated within a non-Muslim society.  FFS dude.
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Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 06:32:10 PM
PS yeah the location of the Muslim centre in Manhattan did have a lot to do with it.  In that the location was hundreds of fucking miles away from 99% of the people opposing it, and also further away from the old WTC site than god knows how many halal meat vending carts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 06:49:54 PM
It's truly tragic how Islamic culture has eaten away at our legal institutions.  Now law schools are all making courses in sharia a prerequisite, the SEC is filing a suit against Bank of America because the Koran says interest-based lending is haraam, and the Supreme Court is hearing a case to decide whether Sunni or Shia rules should govern the procedures for divorce hearings.

On the upside, I was able to get out of a traffic ticket by citing a fatwa by the Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, so it's not all bad!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 15, 2012, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 15, 2012, 05:36:54 PM
i'm surprised you're not freaking out over the guy who walked into Family Research Council and tried to shoot up the place over their standing with chik-fil-a.

Are the facts out?  Still waiting for more details myself.

(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01774426d856970d-pi)

would
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2012, 07:30:29 PM
crazy guy who was upset over FRC's anti-gay stances. I hope he gets the book thrown at him

these white thugs need to stop shooting people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 15, 2012, 07:54:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 06:30:51 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
what influence do Muslims have?  They can barely build their version of a YMCA without dealing with a PR shitstorm.

Yeah, it is that simple and the location has nothing to do with it. Muslims have plenty of influence in the areas that they heavily populate in the US.  Look at the legislation in certain states to fight against Sharia law creeping into the judicial system.

You can google Sharia Law, US, examples and there is plenty to look at.  Poor Disney had a set of simple dress requirements that one young Muslim must have looked at before signing up for a job as a server. Disney even tried to accommodate her, not good enough, lawsuit for you.

I don't need to google it.  I've been aware of the sharia panicmongering from folks like Pam Gellar and Glenn Beck for over a decade now.  I remember the freakout about the crescent shape of the logo at a nuclear summit, the crescent shape of the Flight 93 memorial, and Rachel Ray's motherfucking scarf.

Sharia's not a threat to the legal system and legislation against it is only evidence of the political climate in those states.  Why do you think sharia's mostly legislated against in heavily Republican southern states rather than the Mid-Atlantic/Midwest states where they're most concentrated?

Hell, everyone who screams about sharia doesn't even understand what it is, as evidenced by the Disney example.  Sharia is a system for accommodating nonbelievers under Muslim rule.  The case you cited is the exact opposite: delineating how Muslims should be accommodated within a non-Muslim society.  FFS dude.

whoa: annihilation! i thought bdoughty was the "rational" libertarian! i should never doubt a fundamental oxymoron.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 08:15:48 PM
No way, benjipwns is totally the best libertarian.  bduggy's just another White Dude Victimology major.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 15, 2012, 10:36:28 PM
oops, i confused him with benjipwns. how embarrassing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2012, 10:57:47 PM
 benjipwns is good peoples
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 15, 2012, 11:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 06:49:54 PM
It's truly tragic how Islamic culture has eaten away at our legal institutions.  Now law schools are all making courses in sharia a prerequisite, the SEC is filing a suit against Bank of America because the Koran says interest-based lending is haraam, and the Supreme Court is hearing a case to decide whether Sunni or Shia rules should govern the procedures for divorce hearings.

On the upside, I was able to get out of a traffic ticket by citing a fatwa by the Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, so it's not all bad!

FUCKING BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 16, 2012, 02:45:25 AM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 15, 2012, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 15, 2012, 06:05:48 PM

The first hit is this: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/26/no-shariah-law-is-not-being-imposed-in-the-us/

Very informative, thanks for the heads up!

Well if we all went on the first hit, we would all be batting 1.000.

I really want to understand this post. Is it a double entendre or ... ?  :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
I think it's a null-entendre.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 16, 2012, 08:58:46 AM
Quote from: Mandark on August 15, 2012, 06:49:54 PM
It's truly tragic how Islamic culture has eaten away at our legal institutions.  Now law schools are all making courses in sharia a prerequisite, the SEC is filing a suit against Bank of America because the Koran says interest-based lending is haraam, and the Supreme Court is hearing a case to decide whether Sunni or Shia rules should govern the procedures for divorce hearings.

On the upside, I was able to get out of a traffic ticket by citing a fatwa by the Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, so it's not all bad!

 :lol :lol :lol

What of sharia in Europe? I remember a few European right wing groups being extremely paranoid over it back in the day (especially in Sweden and England) but concern over that seems to have died down a tad (probably due to more pressing matters like the economic situation over there).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 16, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=439aPl_8Hxw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 16, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/08/16/libertarians-sue-to-have-romney-kicked-off-washington-ballot

I'm sure nothing will come of it, but the Washington State Libertarian Party is correct based on the WAC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 16, 2012, 07:32:03 PM
Okay that is 1-800-617-7709.  Will put that on tomorrows To-Do list.   ::)


What's good for the goose.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/us-newjersey-unemployment-idUSBRE87F15K20120816

Hope Christie avoids unemployment numbers in that upcoming keynote. 

Christie is on vacation at the Jersey Shore this week, but his office reiterated that the figures are preliminary and only represent one month. Overall, the state is experiencing job growth, according to a spokesman, with positive job numbers having been reported in nine of the last 11 months. Since February 2010, the first full month of Christie's term, 79,000 private sector jobs were added.

Vacation? Represents only one month? (guess the past three months of higher unemployment don't factor in).  Throw in some golf and I would swear...  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
Not a fan of Christie? Any particular reason?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 16, 2012, 07:39:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
Not a fan of Christie? Any particular reason?

It was just something I noticed in the news. Thought it was odd that he will be the keynote at the RNC and it's like they failed to notice that his state is not performing well in the jobs market. With the economy and jobs being the big platform. I also find him to be a bit of a bully. He could go about dealing with the unions in a better way. No need to sink to your opponents level.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
These are Republicans we're talking about; facts and numbers are not their area of strength.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 16, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 16, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
These are Politicians we're talking about; facts and numbers are not their area of strength.

Edited for accuracy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2012, 08:08:01 PM
Maybe NJ's unemployment numbers would be better if he didn't cancel that high speed rail project :teehee

I don't like most of his politics, but I give Christie dap for calling out anti-Islam/Muslim bigotry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 16, 2012, 08:30:20 PM
Christie is one fat dude. I know that has no bearing on his ability to govern, but man, he is really fat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
Seeing him in suits kind of hides it to a degree; you know he's fat, but a nice suit kind of makes anyone look decent. Seeing him without the suit on...oh man. When you see just how large his pants are it's rather jarring. Like seriously, I'm not hating on the guy but he probably has to lose some weight if he wants to be more than a governor.

Fat+the attitude problem...yea. I'm sure many people know a guy who's overweight and seems to compensate by being extremely charismatic/cocky, to a point of being a loud asshole at times. Christie is the poster boy of that stereotype.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 16, 2012, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2012, 09:24:15 PM
Seeing him in suits kind of hides it to a degree; you know he's fat, but a nice suit kind of makes anyone look decent. Seeing him without the suit on...oh man. When you see just how large his pants are it's rather jarring. Like seriously, I'm not hating on the guy but he probably has to lose some weight if he wants to be more than a governor.

He's Taft fat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 16, 2012, 09:30:09 PM
Being a former fat fuck, Christie has to weigh at least 350 easy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 16, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 16, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
These are Politicians we're talking about; facts and numbers are not their area of strength.

Edited for accuracy.

Yeah, people could just say anything.  Like, Sharia Law is taking over the country! for example.  It's CRAZY.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2012, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 16, 2012, 10:34:24 PM
Quote from: bdoughty on August 16, 2012, 08:05:34 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 16, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
These are Politicians we're talking about; facts and numbers are not their area of strength.

Edited for accuracy.

Yeah, people could just say anything.  Like, Sharia Law is taking over the country! for example.  It's CRAZY.

Oh surely they wouldn't go that far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bdoughty on August 16, 2012, 10:42:22 PM
Yes, because I said "creeping into US Law" and that they had influences in heavily populated areas.  That is the exact same thing as taking over the country.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2012, 10:49:13 PM
Sharia is creeping into US law the way lycanthropy is creeping into American retirement homes.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2012, 10:49:49 PM
Would you put this "creeping" influence on par with the menace of illegal immigration, or something worse like the President's birth certificate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 16, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
There are LITERALLY tens of vaguely, but not really, relevant instances from the past 20 years. TENS, guys. Vote Romney in November.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2012, 10:54:43 PM
So are you saying creeping Islam is more powerful than the US constitution, which says no laws shall be made respecting religion? Sounds like you're questioning the exceptionalism and strength of the US. Seems like quite an un-American viewpoint to have
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 16, 2012, 10:56:06 PM
and yet nary a concern about FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN influences on current legislation and politics. s m h, libertarian.

(if it helps you get ginned up, christianity is ALSO practiced by brown people. scared now?)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2012, 10:59:47 PM
I don't think bdoughy's even a self-described libertarian.  He's already said he's against gay marriage cause of his Christian values and wutnot, then gotten all huffy when someone used the word "bigot".  He's just a bog-standard conservative, snarking on whatever he read on the blogs today and playing internet martyr when he doesn't get a good reaction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 16, 2012, 11:03:32 PM
ah, so he's a good ol' fashioned hypocritical protestant that yaps about hard work and jesus and the scary scary negro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 16, 2012, 11:40:04 PM
Julian Assange will be given asylum in Ecuador: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/9476183/Julian-Assange-will-be-given-asylum-in-Ecuador.html

(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz21/esb1250/2assange.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2012, 12:41:18 AM
Am I the only one who kind of thinks the rape charges might be bullshit? I have no evidence of course, just shooting for the hip as W would say. It just seems convenient that this guy would go on a rape and molesting spree while multiple governments were trying to shitcan him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 17, 2012, 06:05:06 AM
http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_21325406/romney-campaign-presses-medicare-obama-division

Romney claims that he has never paid less than 13 percent in taxes for the last decade.

Is there any reason that might be true?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 17, 2012, 09:03:18 AM
Since it came from Mitt's mouth, probably not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 17, 2012, 09:56:33 AM
13% is not exactly confidence inspiring for a guy who says the rich are overtaxed.

I'd like to hear him swear he didn't participate in Swiss amnesty, then prove it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 17, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
13% on tens of millions per year, and screaming bloody murder on the prospect of bumping that up by a percent or two.

In the meantime, in soviet canuckistan, I pay in the neighborhood of 30% income tax on 85k a year, and somehow our society is not crumbling to dust.

"bu-bu-but you can't raise taxes on JOB CREATORS!  Then they won't create jobs!"

America's unemployment rate: 8.3%

Canada's unemployment rate: 7.3%

How full of shit are Republicans? Soo full of shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2012, 11:27:32 AM
Boogie, on a scale of 5 to 10, how much of your country has been taken over by Sharia law?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 17, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2012, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 17, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
19 (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Miracle_of_19)
.

Did anybody see Mitten's white board performance? I can't watch it anywhere at work but was it that bad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on August 17, 2012, 01:22:51 PM
Quote from: Boogie on August 17, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
19 (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Miracle_of_19)
.

Did anybody see Mitten's white board performance? I can't watch it anywhere at work but was it that bad?

He basically says that Obama is going to cut $700 Billion out of Medicare but it's still going to go bankrupt in 12 years, while Romney's not going to make a single change to Medicare and it's going to be solvent. Then it writes it all down on a board so that you know it must be true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
The whiteboard was surreal. Baiting the press with numbers is one of the few ways to get them to do their job. In this case, it's quite easy. Not only are the Medicare cuts in Ryan's budget, they increase the solvency/life of Medicare and don't effect benefits; they cut the wasteful Medicare Advantage plan which insurance companies use to siphon money regardless of whether care is being provided, and they come from cuts to hospital reimbursement rates that hospitals AGREED to (due to the mandate bringing them more patients). Obama's bases are well covered there.

Meanwhile Romney is advocating turning Medicare into a voucher system that doesn't increase alongside healthcare costs. Crazy shit. And needless to say, the DC townhouse cocktail party crowd has nothing to say about Obama's cuts, and instead focus on the "bravery" of Ryan's overall scheme. Because nothing says "serious" and "bold" like making lower/middle class people suffer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 17, 2012, 03:44:36 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-paul-ryan-is-the-embodiment-of-the-machine-our-music-rages-against-20120816#ixzz23pRkXURR
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2012, 04:48:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2012, 12:41:18 AM
Am I the only one who kind of thinks the rape charges might be bullshit? I have no evidence of course, just shooting for the hip as W would say. It just seems convenient that this guy would go on a rape and molesting spree while multiple governments were trying to shitcan him

nah, i think in this case its actually true.  the stories sounded solid, and since most of the defense rested on the "its not REALLY rape (surprise sex)!" line of bs i'm inclined to believe the victims.  it was great that this dude was able to leak so much good stuff, but he's a fucking rapist so let the govts of the world tear him apart; fuck him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 17, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
The problem is that if he goes to Sweden to face the rape charge, will Sweden then cooperate with the US in extraditing him to America where he might be given a life sentence/death penalty.

I mean regardless of how legitimate the rape charges are, it would only make sense for him to seek asylum in this case unless he can be guaranteed that he won't be extradited to the US.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2012, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 17, 2012, 06:38:59 PM
The problem is that if he goes to Sweden to face the rape charge, will Sweden then cooperate with the US in extraditing him to America where he might be given a life sentence/death penalty.

I mean regardless of how legitimate the rape charges are, it would only make sense for him to seek asylum in this case unless he can be guaranteed that he won't be extradited to the US.

This is the smartest, most cogent post you've ever made.  Who are you, and what have you done with am nintenho?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 17, 2012, 08:15:56 PM
i understand that; im just saying i dont care how bad his rapey ass gets tortured
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 17, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/texas-lgbt-legislator-pansexual-mary-gonzalez-refuses-limited-bisexual-label-article-1.1137021

Man, how depressing.  There are people my age running for political office and I'm just sitting around jacking it to porn...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
“Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” is an anagram for “My ultimate Ayn Rand Porn.”

Shamelessly stolen from Balloon Juice.  But it's true.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 17, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
“Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” is an anagram for “My ultimate Ayn Rand Porn.”

Shamelessly stolen from Balloon Juice.  But it's true.

I'd probably watch a Romney/Ryan 2012 XXX parody vid, tbh. But only if Obama was in it too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 17, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gEUGS.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 17, 2012, 10:39:09 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on August 17, 2012, 09:41:45 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/texas-lgbt-legislator-pansexual-mary-gonzalez-refuses-limited-bisexual-label-article-1.1137021

Man, how depressing.  There are people my age running for political office and I'm just sitting around jacking it to porn...

Dude, in our federal election last year, we elected a 19 year old to parliament.

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/meet-canadas-youngest-mp-in-history/article614110/?service=mobile
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/soledad-obrien-calls-out-rep-chaffetz-saying

wow  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2012, 12:12:19 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/soledad-obrien-calls-out-rep-chaffetz-saying

wow  :lol

It's sad that the host of CNN's version of The Today Show/GMA is the only one schooling these fucktards.  I guess it's because she doesn't have to worry about hurting their precious feelings and maintaining access.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 12:17:49 AM
I agree she did a great job that time. And thank god she actually asked him to explain what "premium support program" even means. He clearly was unprepared and instead shot out a bunch of buzz words (choice...flexibility...flexibility...competition). Under the Ryan plan, the government basically gives you x amount of money to buy insurance, based on your income/needs. That amount does not scale with the rise in health care costs, meaning a senior citizen will be paying more every year, or every time insurance companies decide to jack up rates.

It's basically like controlling your water bill by taking one shower a week.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2012, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/soledad-obrien-calls-out-rep-chaffetz-saying

wow  :lol

Soledad O'Brien is on fire. That's like the second time in two days that she's called out some Republican stooge on their medicare bullcrap.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/soledad-interview-journalism-school_b_1778181.html

Edit: Actually, I guess it's the third. Looks like she had T-Paw on the other day to talk medicare as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2012, 12:32:54 AM
Third time, actually.  She got Sununu, then T-Paw, and now Chafetz.  I'm guessing Republicans are probably gonna stop answering their phones since she's not playing by the beltway rules.

edit- fuck, beaten.  CURSE YOU, JOE!  *shakes fist*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 03:31:56 AM
Actually I thought T-Paw escaped. She didn't really press hard enough on the Ryan budget having the same cuts, and relied a bit too much on legislative jargon. The simplest way to handle this is:

1. If Obama "stole" from Medicare, does that mean Ryan "stole" from Medicare too since he has the exact same cuts in his budget?

2. *explanation of 716b Medicare cuts in layman terms (Medicare Advantage, hospital reimbursement cuts which hospitals agreed on, etc)*

3. Please explain "premium support program" ie giving people a sum of money to buy insurance. IE a voucher...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 18, 2012, 04:18:42 AM
Quote from: Boogie on August 17, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
13% on tens of millions per year, and screaming bloody murder on the prospect of bumping that up by a percent or two.

In the meantime, in soviet canuckistan, I pay in the neighborhood of 30% income tax on 85k a year, and somehow our society is not crumbling to dust.

"bu-bu-but you can't raise taxes on JOB CREATORS!  Then they won't create jobs!"

America's unemployment rate: 8.3%

Canada's unemployment rate: 7.3%

How full of shit are Republicans? Soo full of shit.

But...you're not a job creator so it doesn't count.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 18, 2012, 05:36:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/soledad-obrien-calls-out-rep-chaffetz-saying

wow  :lol

My little cutie pie, Soledad's been doing a great job this week. But as far as the medicare cuts go, she (and many others in fairness) are needlessly complication the issue. Here's a much better way to make the argument in favor of Obama, courtesy of ma boy, Steve Benen:

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/17/13335003-missing-the-medicare-forest-for-the-trees?lite



Oh, also:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/soledad-obrien-grills-president-of-group-accusing-obama-of-leaking-info-taking-credit-for-bin-laden-raid/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 19, 2012, 01:07:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmEZxw_APPg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2012, 04:17:35 AM
something tells me there's a republican version of that type of video, just less articulate. The mere thought makes it impossible for me to enjoy this video
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2012, 08:18:09 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2012, 04:17:35 AM
something tells me there's a republican version of that type of video, just less articulate. The mere thought makes it impossible for me to enjoy this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOMa3TCDmWw
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
straight from the Oval Office. yup

I wouldn't be surprised if the WH leaked the Kill List info, but suggesting they're willingly releasing actionable intelligence that puts soldiers/agents at risk is pathetic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 19, 2012, 01:24:07 PM
I'm going to post some good news here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jiAA4g1Rux_vlMhI1dxbazNbGneg?docId=da1399edab7b42ef9f0269ea5a3ca224

CO2 emissions drop to a 20 year low.

(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5hSxE4OsX6tLbR0bwsRirGBrj4iew?docId=deb13fb65eb848c28089b03932dfc120&size=l)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2012, 03:41:37 PM
Haha, wow, check out this assclown Todd Akin. He thinks that all schools should be privitized (poor kids can go work in the fields) (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/akin-end-school-lunch-program) and that women can't get pregnant from rape (he's talked to some doctors). (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php?ref=fpa)

:bow compassionate conservatism :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 19, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
^polls show he'll win too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 19, 2012, 06:01:39 PM
oh god todd akin.  sad thing is that he's not even that bad compared to so many other missouri republicans.


Quote from: am nintenho on August 19, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
^polls show he'll win too.

please god do not let this happen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2012, 06:06:23 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on August 19, 2012, 05:45:21 PM
^polls show he'll win too.

His lead is shrinking. I'm no fan of McCaskill but hopefully this gives her some momentum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 19, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 18, 2012, 12:19:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2012, 12:06:28 AM
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/soledad-obrien-calls-out-rep-chaffetz-saying

wow  :lol

Soledad O'Brien is on fire. That's like the second time in two days that she's called out some Republican stooge on their medicare bullcrap.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-ostroy/soledad-interview-journalism-school_b_1778181.html

Edit: Actually, I guess it's the third. Looks like she had T-Paw on the other day to talk medicare as well.

Soledad graduated from my HS... I think one of my neighbors took her to senior prom, even :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 19, 2012, 07:05:16 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 19, 2012, 03:41:37 PM
Haha, wow, check out this assclown Todd Akin. He thinks that all schools should be privitized (poor kids can go work in the fields) (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/akin-end-school-lunch-program) and that women can't get pregnant from rape (he's talked to some doctors). (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/todd-akin-legitimate-rape.php?ref=fpa)

:bow compassionate conservatism :bow2

Quote from: Dana Loesch
Was Akin's "misspeech" ridiculous? Of course. Is it worse than the misdeeds of his opponent, Claire McCaskill, who rubber-stamps Obama's war on Missouri coal jobs and tripled our deficit? Not by conservative standards, or any real standard of measurement.

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 19, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
Ugh.

It's not like this is even theoretical, cause there's a depressing history of war rape that results in a lot of unwanted (and in some cases even forced) pregnancies, and a lot's been written about how the victims and their communities have dealt with the resulting children.

Saying stuff like that is such a cruel, selfish, sort of ignorance.  I think this (http://www.robertsinclair.net/comic/asshole.html) is very relevant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 20, 2012, 09:12:59 AM
Yesterday, my father in law said to me that if Obama wins again that we will see $10 a gallon of gas as punishment by the oil companies. So vote for Romney to avoid being punished by them.  :lol  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 20, 2012, 09:20:55 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/551707_3974861367576_365895816_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 20, 2012, 09:52:02 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 20, 2012, 09:12:59 AM
Yesterday, my father in law said to me that if Obama wins again that we will see $10 a gallon of gas as punishment by the oil companies. So vote for Romney to avoid being punished by them.  :lol  :-\
Texas is full of these type of people :( :( :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2012, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 20, 2012, 09:12:59 AM
Yesterday, my father in law said to me that if Obama wins again that we will see $10 a gallon of gas as punishment by the oil companies. So vote for Romney to avoid being punished by them.  :lol  :-\

ahahahahahaha welcome to my life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 20, 2012, 04:44:40 PM
Really glad I live in Western Washington, those kind of people still exist, but they're the minority.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 20, 2012, 10:14:10 PM
My department had to shuffle cubicles around and now I get the pleasure of hearing some neocon coworkers talk about "Obama taking my guns away!" and "Obama wants to take money from those who earned it and give out more handouts and foodstamps!". I mean, I do work in a heavily Republican-leaning industry but there are a few fellow liberals hanging around keeping a low profile :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 20, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
start listening to librul talk radio really loud, and when the dudes come by to argue just go "shhhhh! listen" and point to the radio.  they'll walk away
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2012, 11:19:37 PM
NBA Campaign Donors
http://hoopshype.com/campaign.htm

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 20, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on August 20, 2012, 11:11:08 PM
start listening to librul talk radio really loud, and when the dudes come by to argue just go "shhhhh! listen" and point to the radio.  they'll walk away

Listen to NPR, it will drive them even more insane since they're paying for it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 20, 2012, 11:25:30 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2012, 11:19:37 PM
NBA Campaign Donors
http://hoopshype.com/campaign.htm

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2056/ar80o.png)

The only person on there that I'm actually surprised by is Pop. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 20, 2012, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on August 20, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
himu-chan, you have some genuine lunatics on your facebook

Yeah, sorry about going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow on her.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...no I'm not.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 20, 2012, 11:34:28 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 20, 2012, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on August 20, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
himu-chan, you have some genuine lunatics on your facebook

Yeah, sorry about going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow on her.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...no I'm not.
[close]

She beat you to it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 20, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
Different one, apparently.  Himu just seems to draw a certain type to him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 21, 2012, 01:22:39 AM
Just found out one of the soldiers killed in the helicopter attack in Afghanistan last week is my buddy's step-brother.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 21, 2012, 01:29:24 AM
So so sorry.

A coworker of mine has a brother who enlisted and shipped off recently, she keeps telling me stories with phrases like "and if he hadn't rolled out of bed, he would have been killed by the mortar."  It has to be tough having that creeping in the back of your mind all the time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2012, 01:46:23 AM
sorry to hear that gundam  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 21, 2012, 01:58:16 AM
I feel for my buddy. He's having a really hard time with it.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/08/soldier-from-des-moines-died-in-black-hawk-in-afghanistan/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 21, 2012, 01:16:41 PM
what the fuck is happening with the GOP right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
The biggest hail mary pass of all time, and given this economy it just might work
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 21, 2012, 01:55:41 PM
stop that maurice  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2012, 02:13:38 PM
How am I wrong? Ryan as VP, super anti-abortion stances, not even basic gay rights acknowledgements, no immigration support...they're going all in. In a normal election this would be suicide. But in an election during a bad economy, two years after local GOP parties took over multiple states in the aftermath of a Census? Mix in the billions of corporate donations and it's clear they're going for all the marbles. They either win in the face of demographic shifts, or lose big.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 21, 2012, 04:59:17 PM
Yeah, it's like the Republican party finally took Bush's vapid and transparent "compassionate conservatism" and chucked it to the wayside, being absolutely blatant what they stand for - fucking over the poor and middle class, fucking over the seniors on medicare, anti women, anti gay, anti minority, anti immigration. Basically, anti anybody who is not a rich old white man. Totally agree that this is one last "hail mary" for the modern-day Republican party, before demographic changes render them completely unelectable and irrelevant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 21, 2012, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2012, 02:13:38 PM
How am I wrong? Ryan as VP, super anti-abortion stances, not even basic gay rights acknowledgements, no immigration support...they're going all in. In a normal election this would be suicide. But in an election during a bad economy, two years after local GOP parties took over multiple states in the aftermath of a Census? Mix in the billions of corporate donations and it's clear they're going for all the marbles. They either win in the face of demographic shifts, or lose big.

This is the white man's last stand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 21, 2012, 05:37:49 PM
The GOP fading away into irrelevance is a masturbatory fantasy: they'll adjust as needed and adjusting doesn't necessarily mean things like universal health care either.

I agree with PD that this is a hail mary: crap economy, likely low or decreased youth voter turnout versus 2008, and they successfully browbeat a virtual Democratic supermajority with significant public backing into one of the biggest Democratic loss since 1994.  That and in spite of a really shitty campaign by Romney, Obama and Romney are almost tied.  I can't fault them for going all in because even if they lose the Presidential election, they will likely pick up the Senate and retain the House.  This is as close to a perfect storm for them as it is going to get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 21, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
Just wait until they figure out that if they stopped being distinguished mentally-challenged about immigration, they'd probably get a ton of the conservative latino vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 21, 2012, 09:01:18 PM
Is there video of the GOP speaker dropping the N bomb on TV when talking about "urban folks" stealing ballots out of mailboxes at today's party platform meeting?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 21, 2012, 09:04:51 PM
whaaaaaaat??? please be so
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 21, 2012, 09:09:21 PM
THE SHERIFF IS A *CLANG*

It was bound to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 21, 2012, 09:01:18 PM
Is there video of the GOP speaker dropping the N bomb on TV when talking about "urban folks" stealing ballots out of mailboxes at today's party platform meeting?

omg :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 21, 2012, 09:18:06 PM
I can't find anything about it anywhere.  Guess I'll check KOS, if anyone has it it would be them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 21, 2012, 09:18:18 PM
on SA a few people were saying that someone said "these nig ----- urban types are stealing ballots from mailboxes!!!!" but I want to see it with my own eyes

c span is gonna put it all up on their site I guess but it doesnt run on the ipad. It was when they were talking about voter ID and shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 21, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
So was it just some random person? When you said the speaker, I thought you meant John Boehner. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 21, 2012, 09:29:06 PM
it was some party representative important enough to be at their televised party platform framing meeting. if it happened id like to see it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 21, 2012, 09:35:15 PM
If it's on tape it will get out there.  If it's not on tape, then it won't become an urban myth like the Michelle Obama "whitey" tape because there is no Andrew Breitbart equivalent on the left.  Sadly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 21, 2012, 10:33:24 PM
Some guy who lives about 20 miles south of Seattle was arrested tonight by the Secret Service due to making death threats against Obama. I'm guessing this happens regularly, but doesn't make national news.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Federal-Way-man-arrested-for-allegedly-3805293.php
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 22, 2012, 02:38:22 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 16, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
I think it's a null-entendre.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2012, 05:12:51 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/tom_head_civil_war.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

We gotta raise taxes because....UN BLACK HELICOPTERS!!! :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2012, 05:21:43 PM
What's the deal with Obama's second term? I just cannot wrap my head around the kind of fiery mental hoops that have be jumped through to get to that kind of thinking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 22, 2012, 05:22:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWEv4On97E

haha @ the beltway folks looking disgusted  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 22, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 22, 2012, 05:47:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iu8lA.gif)
BITCHES LEAVE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Haha, that old bitty is pissed off. She's just trying to suck Paul Ryan's dick over here, and then this angry black man just jumps in and gets all rambunctious. This is SERIOUS business, Mr. Distinguished Black Fellow!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 22, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
I think Ryan is a better pick than Palin (because let's be real), but it's truly amazing the mental gymnastics the GOP is performing to support this man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 22, 2012, 07:00:32 PM
I actually think Ryan is a worse pick than Palin.  I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP paymasters forced Ryan (or strongly suggested) onto Romney.

:hans1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2012, 07:29:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 22, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
I think Ryan is a better pick than Palin (because let's be real)

Palin was a yapping dog, annoying and loud but totally harmless. Everybody knew from the start that she was never going to play any role in policy-making. Ryan is polarizing and genuinely despised by a lot of people, in large part because of how dangerous his policies and positions are.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 22, 2012, 07:58:34 PM
palin didnt know shit but at least she had charisma.  people liked her til they realized she realized she couldnt answer a question.  paul, on the other hand, comes off as just another flimsy cracker-jack typical republican, whos record is easily shredded to boot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on August 23, 2012, 05:47:27 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 22, 2012, 05:12:51 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/tom_head_civil_war.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

We gotta raise taxes because....UN BLACK HELICOPTERS!!! :lol
Quote
He vowed to stand in front of the county’s armored vehicle and stare down the U.N. troops if that happens.

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 23, 2012, 06:21:26 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2a79bvs.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2012, 09:09:08 AM
I think that pretty much all Tea Partiers are sad that they've never actually lived through Red Dawn.  WOLVERINES!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 23, 2012, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 23, 2012, 06:21:26 AM
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2a79bvs.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 23, 2012, 01:51:21 PM
Surprised no one posted this.

http://gawker.com/5936394/the-bain-files-inside-mitt-romneys-tax+dodging-cayman-schemes

Pretty dense stuff, I'll be interested to see what people find in it. Probably won't have an impact on the election, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
Someone with a CPA needs to go through it.  I'll sic my Accounting professor on it tonight if he hasn't already seen it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
well that didn't take long

Quote
Bain Documents: Romney Offshore Investments Used 'Blockers' To Avoid Taxes

The newly released documents rekindle questions about one of the more technical tax questions that has emerged about Romney's investments – the use of so-called "blocker" entities. The blocker is a paper company that serves as a buffer between the investor and the fund holding the investments, Wilkins explained. That means the investment income can be counted as a dividend and in some cases avoid income tax.

In the financials for the Bain Capital Asia Fund, for instance, the audit describes the establishment of blocker corporations to hold more than $92 million in contributions from the fund.

Some experts have pointed to the blockers to help explain how Romney has been able to amass between $20.7 million and $101.6 million in a tax-free IRA, many times more than the typical amount an IRA can hold. Romney has not responded to questions about his IRA.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bain-documents-romney-offshore-investments-blockers-avoid-taxes/story?id=17067015#.UDa0kKCJ6iB

Bain used the same havens to dodge taxes during Romney's tenure
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 23, 2012, 06:57:39 PM
In response to pressure for Todd Akin to drop out, he says, "NO U": http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/todd-akin-to-claire-mccaskill-you-should-drop-out/

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/266/no_u_for_knowyourmeme.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 23, 2012, 07:25:16 PM
and im damn happy he's staying in


hey, did you guys hear joe arpaio is a speaker at the convention?  this is gonna be the best/most infuriating convention EVER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2012, 07:45:47 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
well that didn't take long

Quote
Bain Documents: Romney Offshore Investments Used 'Blockers' To Avoid Taxes

The newly released documents rekindle questions about one of the more technical tax questions that has emerged about Romney's investments – the use of so-called "blocker" entities. The blocker is a paper company that serves as a buffer between the investor and the fund holding the investments, Wilkins explained. That means the investment income can be counted as a dividend and in some cases avoid income tax.

In the financials for the Bain Capital Asia Fund, for instance, the audit describes the establishment of blocker corporations to hold more than $92 million in contributions from the fund.

Some experts have pointed to the blockers to help explain how Romney has been able to amass between $20.7 million and $101.6 million in a tax-free IRA, many times more than the typical amount an IRA can hold. Romney has not responded to questions about his IRA.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bain-documents-romney-offshore-investments-blockers-avoid-taxes/story?id=17067015#.UDa0kKCJ6iB

Bain used the same havens to dodge taxes during Romney's tenure

And this is the guy that complains about people getting free money from the government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 23, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on August 23, 2012, 07:25:16 PM
and im damn happy he's staying in

Yep, he may be the guy who prevents a GOP majority in the Senate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2012, 09:32:26 AM
A wild Ron Paul appears! He uses "LOLbertarianism" against the RNC. It's super effective!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48770752

Quote
The gold standard has returned to mainstream U.S. politics for the first time in 30 years, with a “gold commission” set to become part of official Republican party policy.

Drafts of the party platform, which it will adopt at a convention in Tampa Bay, Florida, next week, call for an audit of Federal Reserve monetary policy and a commission to look at restoring the link between the dollar and gold.

The move shows how five years of easy monetary policy — and the efforts of congressman Ron Paul — have made the once-fringe idea of returning to gold-as-money a legitimate part of Republican debate.

Marsha Blackburn, a Republican congresswoman from Tennessee and co-chair of the platform committee, said the issues were not adopted merely to placate Paul and the delegates that he picked up during his campaign for the party’s nomination.

“These were adopted because they are things that Republicans agree on,” Blackburn told the Financial Times. “The House recently passed a bill on this, and this is something that we think needs to be done.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 24, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
Does anyone ever get the feeling that the GOP believes that this is their country and we are all just lucky to live here?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2012, 12:42:13 PM
Quote
At a campaign stop in his home state of Michigan Friday, Mitt Romney made a joke referencing the continued doubts about President Obama's birth certificate raised by Romney supporters like Donald Trump.

"I love being home, where but the both of us were born," Romney said after introducing his wife, fellow Michigan native Ann. "No one asked to see my birth certificate. They know this is where we were born and raised."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/romney-jokes-no-one-ever-asked-to-see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
It's good being white. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 24, 2012, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 24, 2012, 01:17:55 PM
It's good being white. :smug

It's funny because this is the only way to interpret what he's saying. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 24, 2012, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 24, 2012, 09:32:26 AM
A wild Ron Paul appears! He uses "LOLbertarianism" against the RNC. It's super effective!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48770752

Quote
The gold standard has returned to mainstream U.S. politics for the first time in 30 years, with a “gold commission” set to become part of official Republican party policy.

Drafts of the party platform, which it will adopt at a convention in Tampa Bay, Florida, next week, call for an audit of Federal Reserve monetary policy and a commission to look at restoring the link between the dollar and gold.

The move shows how five years of easy monetary policy — and the efforts of congressman Ron Paul — have made the once-fringe idea of returning to gold-as-money a legitimate part of Republican debate.

Marsha Blackburn, a Republican congresswoman from Tennessee and co-chair of the platform committee, said the issues were not adopted merely to placate Paul and the delegates that he picked up during his campaign for the party’s nomination.

“These were adopted because they are things that Republicans agree on,” Blackburn told the Financial Times. “The House recently passed a bill on this, and this is something that we think needs to be done.”

Great!  I anticipate the GOP embracing such things like sovereign citizenship and anti-water fluoridation now.  Which given the roots of the former, we might see that here shortly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 24, 2012, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 24, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
Does anyone ever get the feeling that the GOP believes that this is their country and we are all just lucky to live here?

 :lol i think that perfectly sums up republican thinking
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2012, 09:00:38 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/susana_martinez_custer.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

You can't make this stuff up.  :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 24, 2012, 09:45:11 PM
I know what my tea party buddies are getting for Christmas this year, a nice "Barry Soetero" mug:

(https://store.barackobama.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/e/merch_0012_mug.jpg)

Quote
Made In The USA Mug
(SKU OFA0805)
There's really no way to make the conspiracy about President Obama's birth certificate completely go away, so we might as well laugh at it -- and make sure as many people as possible are in on the joke. Get your Obama birth certificate Made in the USA mug today.
$22.50

https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-home-outdoors/obama-2012-store-kitchen/made-in-the-usa-mug.html?source=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH (https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-home-outdoors/obama-2012-store-kitchen/made-in-the-usa-mug.html?source=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 24, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: tiesto on August 24, 2012, 09:45:11 PM

https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-home-outdoors/obama-2012-store-kitchen/made-in-the-usa-mug.html?source=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH (https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-home-outdoors/obama-2012-store-kitchen/made-in-the-usa-mug.html?source=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH)

They have all kinds of shirts like Asian Americans for Obama, Jewish Americans for Obama, etc., but I can't seem to find a White Males for Obama shirt.  :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Snuflupagulus on August 25, 2012, 12:43:10 AM
$22.50...?  >:(

Fuck it. I'm in for two. Gotta have a spare at work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2012, 03:15:38 AM
Quote from: tiesto on August 24, 2012, 09:45:11 PM
I know what my tea party buddies are getting for Christmas this year, a nice "Barry Soetero" mug:
https://store.barackobama.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/e/merch_0012_mug.jpg

Quote
Made In The USA Mug
(SKU OFA0805)
There's really no way to make the conspiracy about President Obama's birth certificate completely go away, so we might as well laugh at it -- and make sure as many people as possible are in on the joke. Get your Obama birth certificate Made in the USA mug today.
$22.50

https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-home-outdoors/obama-2012-store-kitchen/made-in-the-usa-mug.html?source=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH (https://store.barackobama.com/obama-2012-store-home-outdoors/obama-2012-store-kitchen/made-in-the-usa-mug.html?source=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH&utm_medium=fb&utm_source=bo_fb&utm_campaign=socnet_20120825_BO_FB_USA_MUG2_MERCH)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6khrszKWe1qzyj5fo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 25, 2012, 09:56:04 AM
Looks like I'm going to be volunteering for Osama bin Barack on the weekends until further notice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2012, 10:20:06 AM
Where lol?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2012, 10:39:35 AM
I thought about it.  But I work Saturday mornings and between work and school don't have a lot of spare time, so fuck Barry Soetero.  I might give him some money for one of those mugs tho, and I'm sending money to candidates in competitive Senate races because honestly that might be more important.  Plus, I :heart Elizabeth Warren.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 25, 2012, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2012, 10:20:06 AM
Where lol?

Central Iowa area.

Also,

(http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/decade%20of%20decline.png)

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2332/middle-class-optimism-income-barack-obama-mitt-romney-congress-wealth-income-lost-decade-worst
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 26, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGcPVRBts-o

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 26, 2012, 04:55:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKh9Ko3mw4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2012, 05:14:46 PM
I just glanced at that and thought it said Aimee Mann and was all wtf for a second
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 26, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
Uh ohhhhhhh:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romney-im-very-proud-of-my-health-care-reform-in-massachusetts/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2012, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 26, 2012, 05:33:12 PM
Uh ohhhhhhh:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/romney-im-very-proud-of-my-health-care-reform-in-massachusetts/

RIP Rmoney, you had a good run. Tomorrow at the RNC we're going to hear about how he's having to drop out of the race due to family issues (waking up with his dressage horse's head beside him in bed) and Paul Ryan is getting all his candidates.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 26, 2012, 07:28:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJrX30tLXLI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 26, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on August 24, 2012, 10:09:53 AM
Does anyone ever get the feeling that the GOP believes that this is their country and we are all just lucky to live here?

Yep. "I paid for it, so it's mine!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 26, 2012, 09:29:29 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on August 26, 2012, 07:28:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJrX30tLXLI

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 27, 2012, 04:57:36 AM
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3460628&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1016#post406889167

 :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 27, 2012, 11:35:35 AM
Wow, I wish Matthews wasn't usually such a clod because when he's awesome he is pretty awesome:

Quote from: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/chris-matthews-gop-priebus-race-card-birther-welfare.php?ref=fpblg
Political observers have noted for a while that Mitt Romney’s claim that President Obama gutted the work requirement in the 1996 welfare reform law is false. But few in the mainstream media have have gone so far as to accuse Republicans of playing the ‘race card.’

But Chris Matthews, the host of MSNBC’s “Hardball,” didn’t hold back in a tirade launched against RNC Chairman Reince Priebus Monday morning, accusing the Romney campaign of using race to defeat Obama. Matthews lit into Priebus, citing both the welfare attacks and Romney’s recent birth certificate joke as evidence that the GOP is “playing that little ethnic card there.”

“I have to call you on this, Mr. Chairman,” Matthews said in an appearance with Priebus on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” as he responded to Republicans’ criticism that Obama is running a very negative campaign. “But they’ve both negative. That cheap shot about ‘I don’t have a problem with my birth certificate’ was awful. It is an embarrassment to your party to play that card.”

Matthews continued, turning the attacks up a notch:

“You can play your games and giggle about it but the fact is your side playing that card. When you start talking about work requirements, you know what game you’re playing and everybody knows what game you’re playing. It’s a race card and yeah, if your name’s Romney, yeah you were well born, you went to prep school, yeah, brag about it. This guy has an African name and he’s got to live with it. Look who’s gone further in their life. Who was born on third base? Making fun of the guy’s birth certificate issue when it was never a real issue except for the right wing.”     

Priebus pushed back against Matthews remarks. “Congratulations,” he said. “You’re loaded up, you got it out.” Priebus argued that Romney’s birth certificate comment was just “a moment of levity” and “everybody gets it.”

“It just seems funny the first joke he’s ever told in his life is about Obama’s birth certificate,” Matthews responded.

Though few have said explicitly that Romney’s welfare attacks are about race, it was a charge launched at Newt Gingrich, who made “paychecks versus food stamps” a central issue in his primary bid for the nomination.

“Under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job,” one of many Romney ads on welfare says. “They just send you your welfare check.”

Last week, President Obama cited the welfare attacks as evidence that Romney was playing dirty. “The contrast, I think it is pretty stark,” Obama said at a press conference. “They can run the campaign they want, but the truth of the matter is that you can’t make stuff up. That’s one thing that you learn as president of the United States: You will be called into account.”

Though Matthews comments stand out, he isn’t the first to note the connotations Romney is hoping to play up with the welfare attacks.

“The presumptive Republican presidential nominee wants voters to conjure images in their minds of freeloading moms sitting on couches watching big screen televisions,” the editorial board of the Des Moines Register wrote earlier this month. “And he wants voters to think the president is helping them do just that … but the idea of anyone ‘sponging off the system’ is apparently something Romney believes voters will rally behind him to oppose. He may be right.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
While I agree with Matthews on the Welfare ad, I don't believe Romney was playing the race card with the Michigan/birther comment. It struck me as an off the cuff, awkward attempt at snobby humor from someone who seems almost incapable of being funny.

I don't even have a tv but see or hear the welfare ad nearly daily. It's played on various online streaming sites like Hulu, and at work it's often a commercial on Pandora. It's a very potent ad, but is so matter-of-fact that it's easy to debunk. Luckily many in the media are doing that, and I'd imagine many people are looking up the ad/facts online. Still, it's the type of ad that makes more than a few people say "aha, I knew it all along"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
why is this story getting no media traction?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/prosecutors-us-soldiers-plotted-kill-president-obama/56238/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 27, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
why is this story getting no media traction?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/prosecutors-us-soldiers-plotted-kill-president-obama/56238/

Bomb targets in Washington state was part of the plan? Huh.

More details in the AP article:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SOLDIERS_CHARGED_PLOT?SITE=ILNOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 03:12:07 PM
hmm wow

I've been wondering  about the general tone of recent (and not so recent) attacks against Obama becoming more and more extreme. This new OPSEC group of former SEALS/military figures is especially odious, claiming Obama is purposely putting specials ops personnel at risk for political gain. Plus all the hand wringing over the upcoming military budget cuts putting soldiers' lives, and the country, at risk. Really dangerous stuff.

Remember when that report on right wing extremism (commissioned by the Bush administration) being on the rise was met with revulsion and anger from Fox/conservatives?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 27, 2012, 03:16:10 PM
Quote
The prosecutor said the militia group had big plans. It plotted to take over Fort Stewart by seizing its ammunition control point and talked of bombing the Forsyth Park fountain in nearby Savannah, she said. In Washington state, she added, the group plotted to bomb a dam and poison the state's apple crop. Ultimately, prosecutors said, the militia's goal was to overthrow the government and assassinate the president.

I'm really surprised this isn't getting more coverage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 27, 2012, 04:28:10 PM
I think the Republican party isn't out to win, all they care about is trolling women at this point:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html?utm_hp_ref=tw (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

Quote
Last week, Paul Ryan gave an interview in which, defending his position that there should be no excuses for abortion, he referred to rape as a "method of conception."

Wow, right? Talk about a benign euphemism. Rape -- RAPE! -- is now a "method of conception." You know, like love-making, just without the love.

There could be no greater testament to the utter abdication of responsibility by what passes for a "news" media in America in 2012 than that, despite the grotesquerie of this cavalierly callous comment, chances are better than good that this is the first you're hearing of it.

Here, watch it -- and try to figure out why this has gotten NO MAINSTREAM MEDIA play (not even here at the Huffington Post) despite it being, to my mind, a far more offensive remark than Todd Akin's imbecilic blurt of last weekend. What, are we tired of stupid remarks about rape now, so Ryan gets a free pass?

Given the demands for Akin's resignation from a mere Senate race when his musings on "legitimate rape" were publicized, what do you imagine the reaction would be if people were as familiar with VP wannabe Ryan's stunning statement? Might there be a cacophony of outrage? Might there be calls for his resignation from the ticket? Might there be a focus on how fundamentally oblivious these people who would make our laws are to not just women's but humans' rights and dignity? Sure, there might, but then of course people would have to have heard about it.

According to the man who would be the proverbial heartbeat away from the White House, and who in any event would -- given Romney's utter hollowness -- have an inordinate influence on the judicial appointments that will determine how much freedom our children get to live under, RAPE = "METHOD OF CONCEPTION." And yet, unless you're a frequenter of one of a dozen or so lefty blogs -- or my friend on Facebook -- you probably knew nothing about it.

I truly despair for the country my 14-year-old daughter is inheriting. That a remark this intensely revealing of the danger posed by this ticket can go basically unreported is as nauseating to me as the quote itself.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2012, 04:49:54 PM
If your daughter gets pregnant from pre-martial sex, is that the same thing as rape? No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no...well okay, yes.

Quote
“I lived something similar to that with my own family,” he went on to say. “She chose life and I commend her for that. She knew my views but fortunately for me … she chose the way I thought. Now don't get me wrong. It wasn't rape.”

Smith was then asked if his daughter's unwed pregnancy and rape were similar. “No, no, no. Put yourself in a father's position, yes, I mean it is similar,” he said.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/gop_senate_candidate_likens_ra.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 27, 2012, 05:35:43 PM
On the other end of the spectrum, you have Paul Ryan saying that rape is "a method of conception" so hey, there's still some debate about this amongst the party!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 27, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
I think at this point, conservatives consider abortion a worse sin than rape.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Snuflupagulus on August 27, 2012, 05:48:01 PM
Ehh, going by the general tone and diction with which conservatives discuss rape, I'm not sure they even consider it sin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 05:53:42 PM
It's like the apex of the "both sides do it" logic. Rape is bad but abortion is just as bad! Let us find the middle ground by redefining rape and banning all abortions
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
you almost trolled me there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2012, 08:46:15 PM
I've had 2 moles removed from my body. Is that a mass of cells or an abortion? I understand that moles wouldn't become a child. But moles can become cancerous thus endangering my life. People get their appendix removed or risk dying in case of infection. Is that an abortion or just a mass of cells? 

Dead soldiers are worth more than dead fetuses. I get it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 27, 2012, 08:47:02 PM
I knew nintenho's comment was going to draw him out.

edit: *whew*, new page, we're safe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2012, 09:32:58 PM
zero, did an angel (which probably doesn't exist) come down from heaven (which probably doesn't exist) and inject your melanin deposit with a soul (which probably doesn't exist)?

i'm pretty sure no angel (which probably doesn't exist) did. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2012, 09:34:43 PM
I mean, if we can predicate our absolutist arguments on things like "sin," things upon which the absolutist demonstrably holds doubt ("there's probably no such thing"), then hey: BABY KILLER!!!!! BABY KILLERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 27, 2012, 09:35:19 PM
oh shit, i got trolled.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 27, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
(http://www.thestranger.com/binary/b7f1/1346108996-mittpaulnyercover.jpeg)

What a cute couple.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQd7ywLcmUU

you can tell Tagg knows he dun goofed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 27, 2012, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 27, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
There's probably no such thing as sin... but in terms of relative harm, and thus, which deserves a harsher punishment?

I frankly don't see how anyone could argue that rape is worse.

....

holy fucking shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2012, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQd7ywLcmUU

you can tell Tagg knows he dun goofed

So awkward!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 27, 2012, 11:53:52 PM
http://gawker.com/5938288/leader-of-army-plot-to-assassinate-obama-apparently-attended-the-2008-republican-convention-as-a-page
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 27, 2012, 11:55:21 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s720x720/207174_10151203366629680_497373034_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2012, 12:10:10 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on August 27, 2012, 11:55:21 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s720x720/207174_10151203366629680_497373034_n.jpg)

So. Much. Freedom.  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on August 28, 2012, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: JayDubya on August 27, 2012, 07:53:23 PM
There's probably no such thing as sin... but in terms of relative harm, and thus, which deserves a harsher punishment?

I frankly don't see how anyone could argue that rape is worse.
What makes killing a human wrong?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2012, 12:21:59 AM
Where's the backlash for Romney's comments about being proud of Romneycare for how it helped women, and his comments on the issue of abortion being settled by the courts already?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2012, 01:40:33 AM
Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on Monday as that state and others along the Gulf Coast prepared for Tropical Storm Isaac.

The White House said Obama informed Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal of the emergency declaration in a phone call. The declaration makes federal support available to save lives, protect public health and safety and preserve property in coastal areas.

Jindal, a Republican, shot back late Monday in a letter to the Obama administration that the declaration fell short of the help he was requesting.

"We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance .... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-declares-emergency-louisiana-210503783.html

Modern republican party, ladies and gentlemen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2012, 01:41:54 AM
I still prefer hypocritical panhandling to ostentatiously rejecting funds that could actually help people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2012, 04:44:15 AM
Chris Matthews gets a lot of shit from libruls, and sometimes rightfully so, but he brings the hammer down in a way few others can:

http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/27/13504033-chris-matthews-to-gop-chair-you-are-playing-that-ethnic-card?lite

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 28, 2012, 06:43:25 AM
And if you were able to read back a page...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2012, 06:46:24 AM
But he's not able.  Oblivion can't go to the previous page and JayDubya can't go to the next page, and so balance is maintained.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2012, 06:51:17 AM
Quote from: Boogie on August 28, 2012, 06:43:25 AM
And if you were able to read back a page...

I'm well aware of Mamacint's post, but my post has a video!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 28, 2012, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 27, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
(http://www.thestranger.com/binary/b7f1/1346108996-mittpaulnyercover.jpeg)

What a cute couple.

is that mittens farting on that last one?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 28, 2012, 04:24:30 PM
shitting himself while riding ryan, just like his dog on the family vacation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2012, 09:35:41 PM
A NUDE OCTOGENARIAN SPLAYS HERSELF ACROSS THE HOOD. A MAN IN A CATTLE SKULL AND LOINCLOTH POINTS HIS DOWSING ROD MENACINGLY. DRUIDS CIRCLE YOUR CAR CHANTING "REINCE PRIEBUS, REINCE PRIEBUS" WHILE SELF-FLAGELLATING. YOU CAN NO LONGER REMEMBER IF YOU ARE AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION OR BURNING MAN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 28, 2012, 09:37:09 PM
RNC is hilarious so far

and scary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2012, 09:39:31 PM
Shamelessly stolen from Gin and Tacos, but yeah basically
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 28, 2012, 09:52:38 PM
Rick Santorum cataloging all the different pairs of supple hands he's touched over the years is my favorite moment so far. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
Have they trotted out a hologram of Reagan yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 28, 2012, 10:34:22 PM
Santorum didn't provide any commentary on rape. Disappoint. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2012, 10:46:22 PM
RNC Attendee Allegedly Threw Nuts At Black CNN Camerawoman, Said ‘This Is How We Feed Animals’
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/cnn-republican-convention-black-camerawoman.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

not an Onion article
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 28, 2012, 10:50:11 PM
If true, then besides being horribly racist, that's not even how you feed animals.  They have signs and shit telling you not to do that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2012, 10:54:24 PM
Quote from: Mandark on August 28, 2012, 10:50:11 PM
If true, then besides being horribly racist, that's not even how you feed animals.  They have signs and shit telling you not to do that.

She was just cutting the red tape, man
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
that shit is sickening

also, christie for 2016
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2012, 11:03:42 PM
RNC BOMBSHELL SHOCKER: Ann Romney comes out of the closet, loves women!

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/ann-romney-makes-republican-partys-pitch-to-women-in-tampa.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 28, 2012, 11:04:33 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 28, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
that shit is sickening

also, christie for 2016

no way that dude lives out the next 8 years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 28, 2012, 11:07:39 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on August 28, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
that shit is sickening

also, christie for 2016

yea his charisma is really intimidating.  Paralleled Obama giving a keynote at Kerrys DNC in 2004. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
Ah, I see the GOP's Latino outreach program is proceeding as planned

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/08/hbc-90008805
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2012, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 28, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
Ah, I see the GOP's Latino outreach program is proceeding as planned

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/08/hbc-90008805

Other sites were saying that the USA chants were started by Romney supporters trying to drown out the chants of Ron Paul supporters, who were chanting "point of order" or some such thing. It's hard to tell in the video, but still hilarious either way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on August 28, 2012, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 28, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
Ah, I see the GOP's Latino outreach program is proceeding as planned

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2012/08/hbc-90008805

Other sites were saying that the USA chants were started by Romney supporters trying to drown out the chants of Ron Paul supporters, who were chanting "point of order" or some such thing. It's hard to tell in the video, but still hilarious either way.

That makes more sense to me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 29, 2012, 12:28:13 AM
What does "point of order" mean? Is it something to do with delegates?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 29, 2012, 12:35:23 AM
Yeah, this event was the moment where all of these unbound delegates were supposed to become Ron Paul's.  It is on the internets that secret Ron Paul delegates hiding as unbound delegates were supposed to simultaneously turn over to Ron Paul, taking him from dead last to a dead heat with Romney.  Like most other hopes and dreams Paultards pin their hopes on, it isn't going to pan out for them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 29, 2012, 09:26:45 AM
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/ron-paul-supporters-rebel-convention-floor-fuck-you-tyrants (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/ron-paul-supporters-rebel-convention-floor-fuck-you-tyrants)

Quote
A minor revolt broke out on the floor of the Republican Party's presidential convention Tuesday afternoon and evening. Ron Paul delegates from several states erupted into protest over a controversial change to the party's rules to block future insurgencies mounted by outside candidates like their hero. Paul supporters also freaked out over the convention's refusal to recognize about two dozen Paul delegates and for refusing to treat Paul like a serious candidate for the nomination.

During the roll call of the states, the Paulites were irate, screaming at the podium, as convention secretary Kim Reynolds declined to read out the delegate votes for any candidate other than Romney. "The Republican Party is so afraid of Ron Paul that they won't repeat his name," shouted Jim Ayala, a Nevada delegate and Paul supporter wearing an Oath Keepers t-shirt.

Minutes earlier, the Paulites were enraged when the convention adopted the new set of rules on a voice vote during which the Paul backers out-shouted the other delegates. One Nevada delegate and Paul supporter, Mark Carducci, thrust two middle fingers into the air toward RNC Chairman Reince Priebus and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), screaming "Fuck you, tyrants!" (That's him in the above picture.)
2012 Republican national convention

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See our full coverage of the 2012 Republican National Convention.

The Republican National Committee had altered the convention rules to bind delegates in future elections to vote for the candidate who wins their state's primary or caucus. This change would hurt outsider candidates like Paul, who collected 158 delegates during the Republican primary season. The RNC also refused to recognize Paul's delegates from Maine, and this incensed his many supporters, leading to a nasty yelling match on the convention floor immediately before Mitt Romney's nomination. "Seat them now!" the Paulites yelled.

Roger Leahy, an Iowa delegate and Paul supporter, says he and other Paulites had pleaded with Reynolds to recognize Paul during the roll call, but she would not. "This is the Republican steamroller," Leahy said.

All this led to the unseated Maine Paul delegates storming out of the convention together. And a pack of angry Paul fans all clad in white ballcaps left the Tampa Bay Times Forum. The Romney campaign and the RNC had hoped to avoid this kind of floor flight, large or small, during the convention. But once it was done, the convention proceeded and Romney was nominated, to polite applause.

Following the dust-up, Yelena Vorobyov (pictured below), a 30-year-old Paul delegate from Apple Valley, Minnesota, was eager to vent. Barely taking a breath, she said: "This is just evidence of the manipulation of the Republican Party. They're not even allowing us to bring signs in, but they brought in their own [pro-Romney] signs. We couldn't nominate Ron Paul. The 'no' for not passing the rules was louder than the 'aye' and they ruled in favor of the rules. They're cheating. The Republican National Committee is not transparent and does not have integrity. They stole votes. They stole delegates. They refused to send busses for our delegates. It's a totalitarian process. This is not democracy. It's a really sad day for us. I've worked for Republican candidates since I was 16. We believed the Republican Party had more integrity. Boy, did they prove us wrong."

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/img_1470.jpg)

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that woman is 30??? holy shit, she looks 50  :P
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2012, 11:26:01 AM
Oh noes, who could have guessed that Ron Paul would be ignored by mainsteam Republicans at the national convention BESIDES EVERY SINGLE PERSON EVER?  :lol They were so proud of their boy and the way he was gaming the system, surely this will earn him a place at the grown-ups table, right? NOPE. Welcome back to reality, libertopians.  :patel
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 29, 2012, 01:27:06 PM
Yep, the GOP 'acts' like it listens to libertarians to get their vote when they really don't give a shit about you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2012, 01:28:42 PM
Man, I really feel for Ron Paul. :( I really think he's cuckoo, and I disagree with more than half of what he says, but he really puts in a lot of work ethic, and unlike Romney, you can tell he genuinely wants to help the American people. Then the GOP shits on him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2012, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 29, 2012, 01:28:42 PM
Man, I really feel for Ron Paul. :( I really think he's cuckoo, and I disagree with more than half of what he says, but he really puts in a lot of work ethic, and unlike Romney, you can tell he genuinely wants to help the American people. Then the GOP shits on him.

You're nuts if you think Ron Paul gives a shit about people.  He does what he does because he thinks it's "right" for the love of fuck.  Libertopians don't want to help other people, they want the world to match their fairy tale version of how things should be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2012, 01:41:33 PM
You make the mistake of thinking I'm not comparing Ron Paul to Romney, bro. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2012, 01:45:29 PM
I stand by what I just said.  Ron Paul is motivated by some bizarre belief that the fairest thing to do would be enact policies that would fuck over the poor and needy; Mitt Romney is motivated by a desire to enact policies that would fuck over the poor and needy because it would benefit him and his friends.  One is distinguished mentally-challenged, the other is cynical, and they're both wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
If you had the choice of voting for Romney or Paul, who would it be? I just don't know who I'd choose. No, suicide is not an option here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 29, 2012, 01:54:33 PM
If I can watch as an impartial observer, then Paul all the way.  Paul is the comedy option. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2012, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 29, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
If you had the choice of voting for Romney or Paul, who would it be? I just don't know who I'd choose. No, suicide is not an option here.

WHAT IF A KIDNAPPER BROKE INTO YOUR HOME AND PUT A GUN TO MITT ROMNEY AND RON PAUL'S HEAD AND MADE YOU CHOOSE WHICH YOU LOVED MORE AND THE OTHER WOULD DIE WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 29, 2012, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 29, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
If you had the choice of voting for Romney or Paul, who would it be? I just don't know who I'd choose. No, suicide is not an option here.

Paul. I'd love to see the Republican party whine even more than they have with Obama. Good thing it won't happen, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2012, 02:35:00 PM
himu :rofl

Paul got fucked over but I feel no tears. It's the free market: if you only have 10% of the market, even if your 10% is louder than the 90%, you're still irrelevant. Maybe he should introduce a new product to the market in order to increase his market share. Or change the name like Stringer would do

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 29, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
Yup, this was just a case of Libertarians getting a taste of their own medicine. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 29, 2012, 04:20:36 PM
iamapotus

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 29, 2012, 04:38:45 PM
lol at the verification photo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2012, 05:45:29 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2012, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 29, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
If you had the choice of voting for Romney or Paul, who would it be? I just don't know who I'd choose. No, suicide is not an option here.

WHAT IF A KIDNAPPER BROKE INTO YOUR HOME AND PUT A GUN TO MITT ROMNEY AND RON PAUL'S HEAD AND MADE YOU CHOOSE WHICH YOU LOVED MORE AND THE OTHER WOULD DIE WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?

I wish!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2012, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: Eric P on August 29, 2012, 04:20:36 PM
iamapotus

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/

LOL @ barry trying to get dat youth vote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 29, 2012, 05:58:51 PM
er, so?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 29, 2012, 06:20:28 PM
Great to see Republicans finally complaining about the treatment of minorities by societal institutions
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Verdigris Murder on August 29, 2012, 06:26:45 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2012, 02:05:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 29, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
If you had the choice of voting for Romney or Paul, who would it be? I just don't know who I'd choose. No, suicide is not an option here.

WHAT IF A KIDNAPPER BROKE INTO YOUR HOME AND PUT A GUN TO MITT ROMNEY AND RON PAUL'S HEAD AND MADE YOU CHOOSE WHICH YOU LOVED MORE AND THE OTHER WOULD DIE WHICH WOULD YOU CHOOSE?
Ahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pilonv1 on August 29, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
I bet Obama was visiting gonewildplus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2012, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on August 29, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
I bet Obama was visiting gonewildplus

(http://i.imgur.com/WFIP9.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 29, 2012, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: pilonv1 on August 29, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
I bet Obama was visiting gonewildplus

uh huh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 29, 2012, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: T-Paw
Barack Obama has failed us, but it's understandable. A lot of people fail at their first job."

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on August 29, 2012, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: T-Paw
Barack Obama has failed us, but it's understandable. A lot of people fail at their first job."

:smug

But once you've been governor of Minnesota for 8 years, boy you write your own ticket at that point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2012, 10:38:25 PM
Paul Ryan on my TV talking about how Obama wants to take all your money and give it to rich people. It's like I'm taking crazy pills. :fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on August 29, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
I bet Mitt Romney has better taste in music than Ryan.

This man might be disingenuous, but he is a genuine douche.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
Palin's speech was better

As expected the media loved the speech. Nevermind the blatant distortions and uneven delivery. I'll never understand their love for one of the most partisan, ideological members of congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 29, 2012, 11:29:31 PM
act like a genteel cac, media loves you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 30, 2012, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
Palin's speech was better

As expected the media loved the speech. Nevermind the blatant distortions and uneven delivery. I'll never understand their love for one of the most partisan, ideological members of congress.

He's a serious ideas man, PD!

...on the real, for the media to be able to continue their distinguished mentally-challenged hand wringing "both sides are equally bad/good" narrative that's integral to their continued existence, they have to be able to point to a "serious, principled conservative who you may disagree with but have to admit is SUPER SERIOUS, ok?" and guess who they picked to fill that role.  Romney's choice of Ryan has as much to do with legitimizing his ticket in the media as anything else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 30, 2012, 12:23:24 AM
I'm still donning my tinfoil hat here and thinking that Koch and Co. strongly pushed Ryan onto Romney.  Since a small handful of people are donating the mass majority of funding to the campaign, it would be hard to believe that they wouldn't be throwing their weight around over almost all aspects of the campaign.  Ryan is a terrible pick, worse than Palin overall.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2012, 12:25:24 AM
Last week there were reports that Romney may have wanted Christie, but he refused to resign as governor to run; he also allegedly doubted Romney could win now. Who knows. I do know that the 2-3 weeks before Ryan was picked were dominated by talk of Pawlenty and Portman. Then all of a sudden the WSJ and other conservative outlets started demanding Ryan...and poof here we are
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 30, 2012, 12:28:40 AM
There will be various tell-all articles written in the next few months, I guess we'll find out then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 30, 2012, 08:53:58 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 29, 2012, 01:50:33 PM
If you had the choice of voting for Romney or Paul, who would it be? I just don't know who I'd choose. No, suicide is not an option here.

Paul, because at least I know what I'm gonna get.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on August 30, 2012, 09:03:06 AM
Quote from: Trurl on August 29, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
I bet Mitt Romney has better taste in music than Ryan.

This man might be disingenuous, but he is a genuine douche.

Obama has the best taste of em all IMO:

(http://www.qualiafolk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/fk.jpeg)

(that's him with Frankie Knuckles, the founding father of house music - Obama even named the Chicago street where house was birthed after him)

But then again, there is this article (How hiphop fell out of love with Obama):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/23/why-hip-hop-deserting-obama (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/23/why-hip-hop-deserting-obama)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2012, 09:13:16 AM
Charlie Pierce over at Esquire had a good write-up on Paul Ryan's speech and the Tricky Dick connection:

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-convention-speech-12188956
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fifstar on August 30, 2012, 09:35:43 AM
Quote from: tiesto on August 30, 2012, 09:03:06 AM
(that's him with Frankie Knuckles, the founding father of house music - Obama even named the Chicago street where house was birthed after him)



:bow Obama  :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 30, 2012, 04:08:56 PM
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/rnc-ratings-night-two-networks-lose-17-million-viewers-compared-to-night-two-of-2008-rnc_b143711


Goddamn, son!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2012, 07:04:20 PM
Palin spoke on the second day last time, makes sense to a degree. But yea, when you look at the demographics it's just a bunch of old people watching the RNC

I don't think the DNC numbers will be much better, but I'd imagine Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama will be bigger draws than Paul Ryan and Chris Christie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 30, 2012, 07:56:11 PM
Does anyone even remember who the fuck gave the keynotes at the 2008 conventions?  I'm blanking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2012, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 30, 2012, 07:56:11 PM
Does anyone even remember who the fuck gave the keynotes at the 2008 conventions?  I'm blanking.

Michelle, Mark Warner, Biden, Obama. Hillary and Bill gave prime time speeches
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 30, 2012, 08:21:43 PM
Yeah, but who was the 2008 RNC keynote?  Joe the Plumber?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 30, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
http://twitpic.com/ap9vne
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on August 30, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 30, 2012, 08:21:43 PM
Yeah, but who was the 2008 RNC keynote?  Joe the Plumber?
Was it Lindsay Graham? 
What a bad year for Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2012, 09:49:30 PM
I think it might have been Rudy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 30, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
Uggh Clint's hurtin' :(

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2012, 10:17:09 PM
According to Clint Eastwood, Obama should have consulted the Russians before invading Afghanistan

that was probably the worst live television I've seen in years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 30, 2012, 10:40:57 PM
Rubio's speech was pretty good, even though I don't think he has any sort of future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 30, 2012, 10:41:24 PM
Eastwood was just awkward.

Mitt is still pretty damn stiff, but I've only caught about 50% of it, been giving kiddo a bath and getting her ready for bed.

Oh, shit. There's the bootstraps. Real talk time: My conservative buddy got laid off a few years back as a construction manager (and he's still hurt by it whenever he runs into someone who didn't get laid off and is still there). He refused to take any job "below him." So Mitt's comment about taking two $9/hour jobs just makes me laugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 30, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: Green Man on August 30, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Wait, I thought Eastwood was a democrat. I guess I assumed he was a dem since he supported same-sex marriage and took other liberal positions on civil issues.

I thought he was after Million Dollar Baby pissed off the Catholic Church, but then I found out I was wrong.

Clint didn't talk about social issues, so he's probably a business and security Republican.

Glad to know that I'm a fucking loser because I work in the public sector. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on August 30, 2012, 10:58:09 PM
Mitt Romney isn't even getting a speech.  It's just a string of unrelated statements. 

"I like women.  I hired a bunch of them.  Cars are cool."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 30, 2012, 11:04:00 PM
And would you like to tell us what that plan is, Mr. Romney?

I'm getting the feeling that Mitt has no fucking clue about how the China-US relationship works.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 30, 2012, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on August 30, 2012, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: Green Man on August 30, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Wait, I thought Eastwood was a democrat. I guess I assumed he was a dem since he supported same-sex marriage and took other liberal positions on civil issues.
Clint didn't talk about social issues, so he's probably a business and security Republican.

He criticized Obama for not getting out of Afghanistan yet and for not closing Guitmo

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/Elendil6/Smilies/itisamystery5if6jb.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 31, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
Clint Eastwood rambling at an empty chair might not have been the greatest thing to put in the final hour of your convention.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 31, 2012, 12:09:10 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on August 31, 2012, 12:04:36 AM
Clint Eastwood rambling at an empty chair might not have been the greatest thing to put in the final hour of your convention.

GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU IMAGINARY KIDS WITH YOUR SOCIALISM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on August 31, 2012, 12:25:17 AM
So glad someone made this.

(http://i.minus.com/ifDdU7tIySUmT.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/o6psE.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on August 31, 2012, 01:04:04 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iHrMsSuKaOhV.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 31, 2012, 01:04:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2012, 12:49:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/o6psE.png)

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/35162_o.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 31, 2012, 01:06:33 AM
I said Goddamn son!

The Chairman just brought the ether.

:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 31, 2012, 03:00:05 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 31, 2012, 03:00:37 AM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-29-2012/rnc-2012---the-road-to-jeb-bush-2016---the-republican-platform
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 31, 2012, 03:17:42 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on August 31, 2012, 03:00:37 AM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-29-2012/rnc-2012---the-road-to-jeb-bush-2016---the-republican-platform

Was just gonna post this. Amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on August 31, 2012, 03:18:54 AM
I want to marry Samantha Bee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2012, 03:29:11 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8cd55i1t01rb728to1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 31, 2012, 03:53:52 AM
TDS has been absolutely killing it this week:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-blasts-truth-teller-paul-ryan-for-inaccuracies-in-vp-acceptance-speech/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on August 31, 2012, 05:05:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ysKZg.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2012, 07:06:19 AM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 31, 2012, 08:40:55 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 31, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
the original inspiration for clint's chair speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSggEhvfi9U
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 01, 2012, 12:41:13 AM
(http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/user_photos/1285387/3b218f7e6eca95e1d1e6f2c77f1e7be7_width_600x.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2012, 01:20:04 AM
Invisible Obama/Chair 2016
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 01, 2012, 01:32:55 AM
Can't wait for Brietbart.org's expose on Invisible Obama's connections to black nationalist Ralph Ellison
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 01, 2012, 03:33:43 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 01, 2012, 01:32:55 AM
Can't wait for Brietbart.org's expose on Invisible Obama's connections to black nationalist Ralph Ellison

on the plus side, Invisible Obama loves Adam Smith's economic theory
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 01, 2012, 05:14:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 01, 2012, 01:32:55 AM
Can't wait for Brietbart.org's expose on Invisible Obama's connections to black nationalist Ralph Ellison

Ten points to Black Gryffindor!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 01, 2012, 06:38:23 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 01, 2012, 01:32:55 AM
Can't wait for Brietbart.org's expose on Invisible Obama's connections to black nationalist Ralph Ellison


Haha.  Nice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2012, 04:44:31 AM
Harris-Perry Loses Cool Over Guest’s Comment, Yells ‘I Am Sick Of The Idea That Being Wealthy Is Risky’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/harris-perry-loses-cool-over-guests-comment-yells-i-am-sick-of-the-idea-that-being-wealthy-is-risky/
whoa *claps*

she also lost her home to hurricane Issac last week
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on September 03, 2012, 11:52:25 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on August 31, 2012, 05:05:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ysKZg.jpg)
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 04, 2012, 09:45:02 PM
so am i the only one here touching myself to #dnc2012 tonight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
Got home and heard Ted Strictland say "Barack Obama saved the auto industry. Mitt Romney saved on his taxes." Ouch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 04, 2012, 10:01:52 PM
that massachooey governor killed everyone so far

cant wait to go to work tomorrow and stream all this again in front of my repub boss :mrt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 04, 2012, 10:47:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NUuJI0eTg

Quote
When your country is in a costly war with our soldiers sacrificing abroad and our nation is facing a debt crisis at home, being asked to pay your fair share isn’t class warfare. It’s patriotism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 04, 2012, 10:51:48 PM
man fuck everyone else; michelle obama 2016
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 04, 2012, 11:02:23 PM
 :-[ M.O. :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 04, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
i'd smang lady bamz, no doubt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7934362048_b52663d3f8_z.jpg)
Dat face tells it all. He's on Air Force One right now flying to NC to smang
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 04, 2012, 11:23:37 PM
I saw that pic on MSNBC tonight. Holy crap his girls are getting older.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 04, 2012, 11:25:54 PM
Hold your little girl right now, gundam!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 04, 2012, 11:31:21 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 04, 2012, 11:25:54 PM
Hold your little girl right now, gundam!!!!

She's asleep or I totally would.

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2012, 11:43:15 PM
Just think, in no time you'll be taking her to the station for her first year at Hogwarts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 05, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 04, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
i'd smang lady bamz, no doubt

that woulda been a good dem convention sign
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2012, 12:12:15 AM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on September 05, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 04, 2012, 11:08:24 PM
i'd smang lady bamz, no doubt

that woulda been a good dem convention sign

"We'd remove him from the floor, but he's actually a big donation bundler for us..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2012, 08:46:03 AM
Deval Patrick's speech was really, really good.  Best of the night imo, even better than FLOTUS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
I missed Zombie Ted Kennedy annihilating Romney last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-e0qKMaLoY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2012, 09:19:02 AM
Yeah, that shit was the ether.  From what I can tell, the whole convention (aside from FLOTUS) is going to be the Democratic party apparently saccing up and deciding to fight back.  Wonder how the inevitable Republican cries of "no fair, they're hitting back!" to the impartial and unbiased press are going to be received.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2012, 09:28:42 AM
Quote
By February 1, 2009, less than two weeks after he was sworn in, the number of jobs had dropped precipitously to 132,837,000. Using that figure, the economy’s added just over 408,000 jobs during Obama’s presidency.

Using a different metric that excludes only public sector jobs — which have taken a significant hit in the last three and a half years, notwithstanding Republican claims that the government’s grown rapidly under Obama — he crossed into positive territory earlier this year.

According to BLS, the private sector employed 110,985,000 people in January 2009. The private sector hit bottom in February 2010 with 106,773,000 employees. By July 2012, that number had grown to 111,317,000.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/gop-obama-hasnt-created-a-single-net-job.php?ref=fpa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2012, 10:31:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/5xmBK.png)

Welp, time to cull the ol' Facebook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2012, 10:47:23 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 05, 2012, 10:31:25 AM
Welp, time to cull the ol' Facebook.

Rise from your grave, 2009 chain email!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/firstlady.asp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 05, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
please post that snopes article before the culling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2012, 10:56:05 AM
First thing I did was Google for the Snopes page.  I am, if nothing else, a predictable liberal nerd.

To clarify, the OP is on my friends list, the openly racist commenter is someone I don't know.  It's the comment rather than the chain email bs (which I'm pretty inured to at this point) which bothers me.  Giving my FB friend the benefit of the doubt I'll wait a day and see if he says anything or removes the comment, but I'd be pretty surprised if he did.  Sigh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 05, 2012, 10:56:58 AM
smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2012, 11:07:14 AM
So how long before Republicans start harping on those stupid Secret Service buses again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2012, 11:33:27 AM
Quote from: Yeti on September 05, 2012, 10:51:27 AM
please post that snopes article before the culling

No, just post "Why do you hate job creators?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2012, 06:24:11 PM
Republicans apparently love Bill Clinton now:

Quote
“Bill Clinton was a different kind of Democrat than Barack Obama,” Ryan told CNN in an interview that will air Wednesday. “Bill Clinton gave us welfare reform. Bill Clinton worked with the Republicans to cut spending. Bill Clinton did not play the kind of political games that President Obama’s playing.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/romney-obama-clinton-dncc-convention-speech.php?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2012, 08:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/243502099160236032

 :uguu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 05, 2012, 09:01:16 PM
Child killing and homosexuality are definitely big parts of the convention, but I mostly support the Democrat Party as an expression of my class envy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 05, 2012, 10:37:41 PM
 :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat Bill  :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2012, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2012, 06:24:11 PM
Republicans apparently love Bill Clinton now:

Oh yeah, man. He became the best president since Ronald Reagan since they decided they don't want to talk about Bush anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 05, 2012, 10:50:21 PM
Clinton has mentioned Bush more in this speech than they did in Tampa. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 05, 2012, 11:22:45 PM
slick willy taking the surgical knife to these republicans and dismembering them on stage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 05, 2012, 11:26:24 PM
Huh? Too busy jerking it to that awesome speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2012, 11:28:58 PM
Clinton just took folks to the woodshed

I can't wait to hear the tv media complain about there being too much policy, and too long.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 05, 2012, 11:30:29 PM
You don't fuck with Slick Willy. Holy shit. 45 minutes on policy, and it was brilliant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 05, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
Kinda want to know what they're saying on Fox News.

Kinda.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2012, 12:54:25 AM
:heartbeat Bill :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beezy on September 06, 2012, 12:57:42 AM
Quote from: Eschaton on September 05, 2012, 11:51:21 PM
:bow

TRILL CLINTON THE GOD
using this from now on
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 01:02:43 AM
the first black president :bow

lbj who?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2012, 01:03:53 AM
Whether you're a democrat or a republican, I think you have to agree that things were pretty damn good during the Clinton years, especially in retrospect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2012, 01:05:24 AM
The 90's were awesome, the post-Clinton years have just been a big pile of suck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 06, 2012, 01:13:02 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 06, 2012, 01:03:53 AM
Whether you're a democrat or a republican, I think you have to agree that things were pretty damn good during the Clinton years, especially in retrospect.

I'd rather take a thousand 9/11s and economic crashes than re-live the idea of a President cheating on his wife.

Say what you will about GWB, but at least he was faithful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 01:40:27 AM
:wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2012, 01:44:29 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 06, 2012, 01:03:53 AM
Whether you're a democrat or a republican, I think you have to agree that things were pretty damn good during the Clinton years, especially in retrospect.

best rap decade, great gaming decade, great porn decade, great film decade...everything was pretty solid except pop music and fashion.

Trill Clinton :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 01:45:55 AM
90's fashion was mostly fine outside of the early years, and even back then we had flat tops and shit. FLAT TOPS WILL NEVER DIE. Pop music in the 90's was great too until the late 90's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 06, 2012, 01:47:27 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 06, 2012, 01:40:27 AM
:wtf

Come on, Himu! Focus! :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 01:49:17 AM
I'm just mad you think getting a blow job from a woman who's not your wife is a BAD THING.

:tauntaun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 06, 2012, 01:51:29 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 06, 2012, 01:45:55 AM
90's fashion was mostly fine outside of the early years, and even back then we had flat tops and shit. FLAT TOPS WILL NEVER DIE. Pop music in the 90's was great too until the late 90's.

and 90s graphic design?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2012, 01:58:55 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 06, 2012, 01:51:29 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 06, 2012, 01:45:55 AM
90's fashion was mostly fine outside of the early years, and even back then we had flat tops and shit. FLAT TOPS WILL NEVER DIE. Pop music in the 90's was great too until the late 90's.

and 90s graphic design?

:bow (http://i.imgur.com/mxLIz.jpg) :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 02:00:07 AM
90's graphic design was amazing.

http://inspiredology.com/graphic-design-through-the-decades-the-%E2%80%9990s/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 02:13:26 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2012, 01:58:55 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 06, 2012, 01:51:29 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 06, 2012, 01:45:55 AM
90's fashion was mostly fine outside of the early years, and even back then we had flat tops and shit. FLAT TOPS WILL NEVER DIE. Pop music in the 90's was great too until the late 90's.

and 90s graphic design?

:bow (http://i.imgur.com/mxLIz.jpg) :bow2

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2012, 02:47:26 AM
90's also had all the best animated gifs:

http://www.11points.com/Web-Tech/11_Best_Old_School_Animated_GIFs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 06, 2012, 06:26:53 AM
Link to speech
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 06, 2012, 08:54:04 AM
That was a good ass speech.

Does anyone have data on the ratings per night of both conventions?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2012, 09:06:07 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2012, 08:19:40 PM
https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/243502099160236032

 :uguu

I'd take that over fascism and fairy tales.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 06, 2012, 09:21:14 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 06, 2012, 08:54:04 AM
That was a good ass speech.

Does anyone have data on the ratings per night of both conventions?

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/msnbc-wins-night-one-from-the-dnc_b144366

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22 million watched the 10pm hour on the commercial broadcast and cable networks last night. In comparison, night one of the RNC a week ago was watched by 20.5 million, mostly on Fox News Channel, which averaged 5.15 million viewers in primetime.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 06, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
Who cares about your archaic media ratings?  Michelle Obama DOUBLED Romney's twitter trending stats after her speech the other night, go ahead and call it now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 06, 2012, 10:26:46 AM
:bow BILL :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2012, 10:34:21 AM
I was just told that Clinton intentionally torpedoed Obama's 2012 campaign last night to the clear the way for Hillary to run in 2016. Thoughts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
But...Hillary would be able to run in 2016 anyway...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 06, 2012, 10:06:00 AM
Michelle Obama DOUBLED Romney's twitter trending stats after her speech the other night, go ahead and call it now.

Data on this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 06, 2012, 11:34:25 AM
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/05/usa-campaign-media-idINL2E8K5JR720120905

First result I got for Google News searching "Michelle Obama twitter".  C'mon now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 11:43:55 AM
Doh. I forgot about google news.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 06, 2012, 01:07:14 PM
I'd forgotten how much charisma Clinton has.  He just commands attention.  Hopefully this sways some people.  I was surprised to see him tackle so much policy and be so plain spoken about it.  I loved it. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
I was also told today that Clinton was too scared to tackle any social issues like abortion and gay marriage in his speach.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 06, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
lol @ the associated press (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gnP8cMKZ5P9F-7lti5N6lygc6mrg?docId=2eece93ae1cc440893475343fee4ccdc)
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CLINTON: "Their campaign pollster said, 'We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.' Now that is true. I couldn't have said it better myself — I just hope you remember that every time you see the ad."

THE FACTS: Clinton, who famously finger-wagged a denial on national television about his sexual relationship with intern Monica Lewinsky and was subsequently impeached in the House on a perjury charge, has had his own uncomfortable moments over telling the truth. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky," Clinton told television viewers. Later, after he was forced to testify to a grand jury, Clinton said his statements were "legally accurate" but also allowed that he "misled people, including even my wife."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 06, 2012, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 06, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
lol @ the associated press (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gnP8cMKZ5P9F-7lti5N6lygc6mrg?docId=2eece93ae1cc440893475343fee4ccdc)
Quote
CLINTON: "Their campaign pollster said, 'We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.' Now that is true. I couldn't have said it better myself — I just hope you remember that every time you see the ad."

THE FACTS: Clinton, who famously finger-wagged a denial on national television about his sexual relationship with intern Monica Lewinsky and was subsequently impeached in the House on a perjury charge, has had his own uncomfortable moments over telling the truth. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky," Clinton told television viewers. Later, after he was forced to testify to a grand jury, Clinton said his statements were "legally accurate" but also allowed that he "misled people, including even my wife."

AP: We're not going to let our fact checking be dictated by fact checkers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
So,  saying "both sides do it" is now what passes for fact-checking?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2012, 08:19:26 PM
My former governor Jennifer Granholm is giving the most ridiculously hype speech I've ever heard. She's either drunk or just VERY hyper right now

waiting for video, you have to see this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 06, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
splice it with the howard dean speech and youve got a winner
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2012, 08:44:35 PM
You have to wonder if Eastwood's invisible Obama stunt was a troll to the GOP because the Obama they talk about doesn't exist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 09:46:43 PM
BIDEN CARES ABOUT OUR GENERATION GUYS

Do you feel warm? DO YOU?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 06, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
I do feel warm, because of the Biden drinking game I'm playing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Spill the details!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 10:02:58 PM
Biden just said America is NOT in decline. :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 06, 2012, 11:15:02 PM
what THE HELL with that country music bullshit at the end. way to kill my boner obama. you let other people walk out to prince but you have this garbage close you out? wth
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 06, 2012, 11:19:54 PM
Get used to the country music, nationalism, and fellating of the military.  It's all part of the Democrats replacing the Republicans as America's default party. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 06, 2012, 11:22:50 PM
omg are you guys watching the daily show?! :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 07, 2012, 01:44:03 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 06, 2012, 11:15:02 PM
what THE HELL with that country music bullshit at the end. way to kill my boner obama. you let other people walk out to prince but you have this garbage close you out? wth

...he walked out to bruce springsteen.  what the fuck is the matter with you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2012, 03:53:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKMJgrCGuoo

we need a Ric Flair emote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2012, 03:54:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2012, 03:53:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKMJgrCGuoo

we need a Ric Flair emote

Would
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 07, 2012, 04:14:37 AM
Yup. Granholm is very MILFy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 07, 2012, 07:03:02 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 07, 2012, 01:44:03 AM

...he walked out to bruce springsteen.  what the fuck is the matter with you

i cant stand springsteen :shrug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2012, 08:49:48 AM
Latest assassination threat against the president is, of course, from North Carolina and of course he's black.  wait, what?

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/nc-man-arrested-for-obama-assassination-threat.html

Quote
If the allegations against 21-year-old Donte Jamar Sims are true, he made himself a poor representative of two groups — North Carolinians and stoners — when he threatened to assassinate President Obama in a series of Tweets. The account caught the attention of the Secret Service when the message “Ima hit president Obama with that Lee Harvey Oswald swag,” was posted early Monday morning, followed by, "The Secret Service is gonna be defenseless once I aim the Assault Rifle at Barack's Forehead." According to the Smoking Gun, when agents showed up at Sims's home in Charlotte on Wednesday, he admitted that he made the comments because he "hated President Obama," but Tweeting while high on marijuana was also a factor.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Allen_West,_Official_Portrait,_112th_Congress.jpg/200px-Allen_West,_Official_Portrait,_112th_Congress.jpg)
Allen West's outreach program already working
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 07, 2012, 08:52:27 AM
also the officer who joked about killing michelle obama isnt in any real trouble
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2012, 09:38:47 AM
“Ima hit president Obama with that Lee Harvey Oswald swag,”

lolwtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Quote
Tweeting while high on marijuana was also a factor.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 07, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
How was the speech last night? I missed it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2012, 11:57:43 AM
I didn't watch it either, but it seems like most people are meh on it. It certainly doesn't have everyone talking like the Clinton speech did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2012, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 07, 2012, 11:57:43 AM
I didn't watch it either, but it seems like most people are meh on it. It certainly doesn't have everyone talking like the Clinton speech did.
To be fair it broke the twitter record by generating 52k tweets per minute
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 07, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
How was the speech last night? I missed it.

Well...it was a speech.

That's all I can say.

Obama sucked Israel's cock and celebrated killing Osama, though. So there's that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 01:38:36 PM
If you guys missed Larry David on TDS last night:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-6-2012/hope-and-change-2---barack-obama--it-could-have-been-worse
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 07, 2012, 01:52:30 PM
I'd imagine Obama's team was worried about giving too much hope'n'change fodder to the Republicans with a sweeping, grandiose speech - they would have loved to seize on that as proof he's all sizzle and no steak. By actually talking about policy (unlike Romney and Ryan) he is trying to make this an election about the future instead of a referendum on the past.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 07, 2012, 03:47:46 PM
Yeah, they're definitely trying to match the tone to the situation.

In other news, my FB friend actually did delete the racist comment on his post.  That's probably the bare minimum expectation for acceptable behavior, but props anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 07, 2012, 04:03:41 PM
I've got one guy on my FB list who I've known since kindergarten and played summer league baseball with until we were 18. He comes from a farming family and is very conservative. He typically makes one or two angry posts a day about Obama and the dems. They're typically not terrible, but his friends who comment are awful people. There were a few guys who were going on and on and on about Sandra Fluke and how she's a gigantic slut-whore who wants us to pay for her to have sex. I thought it was parody, but sadly that's how they really feel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 07, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
I also shat up Cohen's FB page a bit by engaging with a conservative friend of his.  Usually don't do that, but I got to throw out all these budget stats I've wasted time memorizing and see if I could force some sort of comity (nope!).  And hey, the mess isn't on my wall.  :teehee

Sorry Cohen!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2012, 04:20:58 PM
Without even clicking, I was like "I bet that's Cohen's Israel uber alles friend" and yup, I was right.

edit: doh, only partially right.  A new Wingnut has appeared!  It used cooked numbers from a right wing source!  It's wildly ineffective!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 07, 2012, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 07, 2012, 04:03:41 PM
I've got one guy on my FB list who I've known since kindergarten and played summer league baseball with until we were 18. He comes from a farming family and is very conservative. He typically makes one or two angry posts a day about Obama and the dems. They're typically not terrible, but his friends who comment are awful people. There were a few guys who were going on and on and on about Sandra Fluke and how she's a gigantic slut-whore who wants us to pay for her to have sex. I thought it was parody, but sadly that's how they really feel.

This is especially ignorant. Like her monthly premiums shouldn't cover her own insurance? I don't get it. How are they paying for it? Oh that's right cuz Rush said so. Fucking mongloids.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
get that shit outta here
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on September 07, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
GAF humor is weird.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41864667&postcount=16543

HAHAHAH! OH MAN! That attention to detail is just... WOW I'M DYING OF LAUGHTER. It's the funniest thing ever, guise! Srsly!

FUCK THOSE GUYS, THEY'RE WORSE THAN ABORTIONISTS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 07, 2012, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on September 07, 2012, 04:31:53 PM
GAF humor is weird.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41864667&postcount=16543

HAHAHAH! OH MAN! That attention to detail is just... WOW I'M DYING OF LAUGHTER. It's the funniest thing ever, guise! Srsly!

WRONG THREAD, ASSHOLE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 07, 2012, 04:36:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 07, 2012, 04:20:58 PM
Without even clicking, I was like "I bet that's Cohen's Israel uber alles friend" and yup, I was right.

edit: doh, only partially right.  A new Wingnut has appeared!  It used cooked numbers from a right wing source!  It's wildly ineffective!

Oooh, no way would I get roped into a "discussion" with that guy.  I've learned to stay far away from people whose hobbyhorse is a straight-up ethnic conflict, and Israel-Palestine is the #1 example.  Only exception is maybe trolling someone into accusing me of anti-Semitism, so I can be all "I am not left-handed a gentile!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 04:37:48 PM
spill the beans on this israel guy. what's he say about israel?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2012, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 07, 2012, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 07, 2012, 04:03:41 PM
I've got one guy on my FB list who I've known since kindergarten and played summer league baseball with until we were 18. He comes from a farming family and is very conservative. He typically makes one or two angry posts a day about Obama and the dems. They're typically not terrible, but his friends who comment are awful people. There were a few guys who were going on and on and on about Sandra Fluke and how she's a gigantic slut-whore who wants us to pay for her to have sex. I thought it was parody, but sadly that's how they really feel.

This is especially ignorant. Like her monthly premiums shouldn't cover her own insurance? I don't get it. How are they paying for it? Oh that's right cuz Rush said so. Fucking mongloids.

I had a similar experience with someone I went to high school with.  Had to axe him because reading the replies to his passive aggressive bullshit was making my blood pressure shoot up.  Then when I made a snarky post about it someone was like "you defriend for political reasons???" and I was like, uh yeah dude.  If it turns out you're a backwards thinking fucktard I don't want to be friends with you, even of the pretend superficial internet variety.

I don't understand this mindset, to be honest with you... the "oh let's let bygones be bygones and I'll believe all sorts of stupid, backwards ass bullshit and we'll still be friends, teehee" crap.  This shit matters.  You should think about it.  You should WANT to think about it.  You should CARE that other people DON'T want to think about it.  You should be willing to engage other people in conversation about it.  Politics and how you think about it is not something that gets handed down to you like a birthright; you're totally capable of evolving over time and learning new things to inform your opinions.  Crying because other people post shit about it on facebook doesn't make you too cool for school and above it all; it makes you sound like a whiny bitch who doesn't like getting their worldview challenged.  Sack up and defend your positions, or you must not really care about them all that much.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 07, 2012, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 07, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
I also shat up Cohen's FB page a bit by engaging with a conservative friend of his.  Usually don't do that, but I got to throw out all these budget stats I've wasted time memorizing and see if I could force some sort of comity (nope!).  And hey, the mess isn't on my wall.  :teehee

Sorry Cohen!

Holy crap, I had only read the start of that FB thread.

Romney has the "Midas touch"

He doesn't need to establish his bona fides because of his executive experience in fixing shit.

Wtf? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 05:13:06 PM
What is something that makes everyone who touches it change its stance on whatever it is currently doing? That is what Romney is, but I can't come up with a good name.

The Flip Flop touch doesn't sound nearly as marketable as the Midas Touch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2012, 05:14:48 PM
The Mittus Touch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 05:15:09 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 07, 2012, 05:39:06 PM
no, the Mittens Touch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 07, 2012, 07:03:26 PM
http://politicalpbf.tumblr.com/ (http://politicalpbf.tumblr.com/)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ybszttU41rg0ofno1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ybmjUMAp1rg0ofno1_1280.jpg)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ybajeNAX1rg0ofno1_1280.png)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9yb7dmlyH1rg0ofno1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2012, 07:12:36 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Fx6OO.gif)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 07, 2012, 07:19:35 PM
 >:( no sir, i dont like it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 07, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
Ya, those edits are terribad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 07, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xVsAr.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 07, 2012, 07:44:24 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 07, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
Ya, those edits are terribad.

Looks like some crap GAF came up with
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 07, 2012, 08:30:37 PM
The unicorn one would be good if I were a conservative convinced that Romney is a liberal in disguise.

Actually, a lot of these are so bad that they're awesome.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ybqcTDqt1rg0ofno1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 08:37:11 PM
Well I didn't laugh. So how am I supposed to feel after reading those edits?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 07, 2012, 08:39:20 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ybtwFfbY1rg0ofno1_1280.png)
The delusion is hilarious. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 07, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
let's guess which of those gop candidates were "perfect"

I'm guessing Santorum?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 07, 2012, 08:46:01 PM
Rick Perry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 07, 2012, 11:28:06 PM
Ronald Reagan
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2012, 11:31:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPyjJ1MMUzQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 07, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
STOP RUINING PBF YOU FUCKS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2012, 12:35:23 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0jv6lY9G1rg0ofno1_1280.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 08, 2012, 01:10:39 AM
Can some of us peasants be allowed to friend some of you high class bitches on Facebook? Or is that just an icon only thing?

:punch

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2012, 12:35:23 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0jv6lY9G1rg0ofno1_1280.gif)

Oh man, I haven't seen that comic in years, didn't even know there was a third panel. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2012, 01:16:09 AM
I generally accept most friend requests from Borians.  I think the only person I've ever not accepted is Count Dragula, because he's a muslim.

Just kidding.  It's because he's not a gay muslim.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2012, 01:16:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XjeaB.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
We should elect the PBF guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2012, 02:19:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KLzzF.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 08, 2012, 02:50:28 AM
The very last panel of PD's post is the first time I laughed at any of these comics. Just because of the mental image of Ron Paul being beat up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 08, 2012, 03:28:11 AM
I admit, I chuckled.

(http://i.imgur.com/q83xK.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 08, 2012, 03:33:11 AM
switch the GOP and voters, make the shotgun "Obama," and you'd have a perfectly legitimate modern conservative editorial cartoon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 08, 2012, 01:57:22 PM
I saw some of the DNC highlights.  It was ok.

I looked at 538 and looks my prediction early this year is coming to fruition that Obama will end up with the same amount of electoral votes he received in 2008, give or take a couple of states.  We're at the point where barring a huge disaster, things are starting to set into place.  Couple that with Obama probably going to run circles around Romney in the debate, I just want to get this election over with and move on.

At this point, I'm paying more attention to see how the Senate breaks.  Forget any semblance of productivity if the Republicans capture both sides of Congress.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 08, 2012, 06:38:45 PM
2012 being the same as 2008 with Indiana and North Carolina flipping seems like the safest bet.  If I were to make a map to bet on I would give Obama everything he won in 2008 minus the states already mentioned and Florida and perhaps Ohio to make it interesting.

This must be the least exciting presidential election since 1996.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 09, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
texp and other fellow Stein supporters:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zlwj8/i_am_jill_stein_green_party_presidential/?limit=500
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2012, 01:48:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P4ytC_S3nk
what the fuck is this shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 10, 2012, 02:23:43 AM
:duh ∞
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2012, 07:54:37 AM
lol that chick is so dumb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 10, 2012, 07:40:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SJ9EP.png)

This is why the Internet is great.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 10, 2012, 08:03:35 PM
Dick Morris is awful :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 10, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
While Dick Morris' twat is a couple weeks old, even the right wing Rasmussen poll shows Romney losing by five points.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 09, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
texp and other fellow Stein supporters:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zlwj8/i_am_jill_stein_green_party_presidential/?limit=500

Thanks for the link :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 10, 2012, 08:25:42 PM
I really like Stein and I'm pumped for that AMA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 10, 2012, 08:58:22 PM
Well, he's not wrong.  It's like once Rosario Dawson goes out with me, we'll never be apart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 10, 2012, 09:11:57 PM
 :lol

What a fun campaign this has turned out to be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beezy on September 10, 2012, 09:37:25 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 10, 2012, 08:58:22 PM
Well, he's not wrong.  It's like when Rosario Dawson goes out with me, we'll never be apart.
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2012/09/10/15-of-ohio-republicans-credit-mitt-romney-with-killing-bin-laden

Quote
According to a Public Policy Polls survey of Ohio voters, 38% of Ohio Republicans say  Barack Obama is most responsible for the bin Laden's death, 15% say Romney, and 47% were unsure. The results were similar in North Carolina, where 29% of Republicans said Obama deserves more credit, versus 15% Romney and 56% unsure.

(http://i.imgur.com/5nAz8.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2012, 12:43:53 AM
I'm gonna be charitable and say that if someone had asked me a similar question, designed with only one possible answer so I'd have to praise the guy I was voting against ("Who is more responsible for Saddam Hussein being deposed? George Bush or Michael Moore?") I'd be tempted to give a screw-you answer.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
That said, never bet against the crazification factor
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2012, 01:06:19 AM
Also, I haven't been following Iraq too closely, but the vice president is still a fugitive and has now been sentenced, in absentia, to death for allegedly operating a death squad.  WTF.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 11, 2012, 02:21:26 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 10, 2012, 08:58:22 PM
Well, he's not wrong.  It's like once Rosario Dawson goes out with me, we'll never be apart.

The power of material implication!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 11, 2012, 06:16:59 AM
Quote from: Green Man on September 11, 2012, 03:42:12 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 10, 2012, 11:10:42 PM
http://www.indecisionforever.com/blog/2012/09/10/15-of-ohio-republicans-credit-mitt-romney-with-killing-bin-laden

Quote
According to a Public Policy Polls survey of Ohio voters, 38% of Ohio Republicans say  Barack Obama is most responsible for the bin Laden's death, 15% say Romney, and 47% were unsure. The results were similar in North Carolina, where 29% of Republicans said Obama deserves more credit, versus 15% Romney and 56% unsure.

(http://i.imgur.com/5nAz8.png)

Wait, why would Romney get any credit? That doesn't make any sense!

(http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQA3kLjBv6iQCL_i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi1.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FxECUrlnXCqk%2Fhqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 11, 2012, 07:55:30 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 11, 2012, 01:06:19 AM
Also, I haven't been following Iraq too closely, but the vice president is still a fugitive and has now been sentenced, in absentia, to death for allegedly operating a death squad.  WTF.

There is a drone with his name on it coming his way
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on September 11, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
Stanhope on healthcare :

Quote
“Old people are getting into fights now in town hall meetings about health care. You don’t fucking deserve it! Everyone else has health care, ‘but we need health care. Canada has health care, everyone else does…’ You think Americans deserve health care? Have you looked at this fucking horrible fat fuck country, slovenly sedentary lazy fat fucks! You don’t even try! Once you get free health care, ‘Oh yeah, fucking Sunday afternoon, buy 4 stuffed crust Cheesy Bread Cheese pizzas, and you’ll get a Meaty Meaty Pork Pie Pork Bacon pizza for free with 12 Cinna-loaves!’ (imitates glutton sounds, stuffing his face) ‘That’s a pretty good deal!’ (more gluttony sounds) ‘You know what else we need is free health care, too! (more gluttony sounds) ‘My diabetes is so bad, I can’t even feel my feet!’ (more gluttony sounds) ‘I have open fissures in my leg muscles so deep you can put your whole finger there!’ (more gluttony sounds) ‘Who’s gonna pay for my amputation!?’ (more glutton sounds) ‘If I was in Amsterdam, they’d pay for my amputations ‘cause they have free health care…’ You know what else they have? BICYCLES! And they use them! (briefly sings circus music / ‘Barnum and Bailey’s Favorite’ theme). You get nothing free. You gotta try on your own a little bit! We live in a country where the face of fitness is Jarod from Subway!! That’s your goal! It used to be like Jack LaLanne or Charles Atlas or some shit, dragging a tugboat with his teeth across the Hudson river, now it’s some guy, that’s still kinda fat. He’s not as fat as he could be fat, or he used to be fat, but he’s still kinda fat. That’s what you should aspire to! You wouldn’t fuck Jarod with the lights on — c’mon! That’s your goal? That’s awful! You can’t give Americans free shit ‘cause ‘free’ is used as such a buzzword for gluttony. Like it’s been used in advertising so much, ‘buy one get one free,’ ‘free with purchase,’ ‘free samples’ at the grocery store…’Oh Black Forest Ham, I never tried Black Forest Ham (more gluttony sounds). Turn your hat backwards so they don’t recognize you when you go back! ‘Vermont cheese, what’s that?’ (more gluttony sounds) They do the same shit with free health care! ‘They said it’s free, let’s get something fucking checked. I got an itch, or a scratch, or a bite or a lump. Let’s get this checked out! Doctor, I got a spot! Check it out for free!’ ‘It’s a fucking coffee stain!! It’s not even on your skin, it’s on your shirt!’ ‘Well let’s get a biopsy of that! That could be precancerous, right?! It’s free — get my money’s worth…’”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 11, 2012, 09:18:15 AM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 11, 2012, 10:01:47 AM
well that ties back to the us's totally fucked food policies which make shit like corn and wheat so cheap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2012, 10:05:45 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 10, 2012, 08:03:35 PM
Dick Morris is awful :lol
He is, but Power Plays is a fairly good book. It's before he abandoned his sell to anyone political advising for become GOP commentator.
Quote from: Eric P on September 11, 2012, 10:01:47 AM
well that ties back to the us's totally fucked food policies which make shit like corn and wheat so cheap.
Shhhh, Iowa might hear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 11, 2012, 11:35:35 AM
Doesn't Stanhope smoke?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2012, 11:37:39 AM
And how!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2012, 12:29:27 PM
And drink.  And do drugs.  And is some sort of anarcho-libertarian. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 11, 2012, 01:50:16 PM
Ya, I'm not a Stanhope fan.  I just don't see the funny in that wall of text.

Straight-up asshole-ishness, sure, but he must have forgotten the funny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 11, 2012, 02:24:05 PM
http://blog.workingamerica.org/2012/09/10/national-police-union-refuses-to-endorse-romney-first-such-refusal-in-98-years/

Quote
The Republican Party’s rabid attack on collective bargaining rights in 2011, particularly in Ohio and Wisconsin, is taking a political toll in 2012. Turns out that many traditionally Republican voters believe that their fire departments should be able to negotiate for adequate safety equipment or that the police officers who risk their lives on the streets should have a seat at the bargaining table.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2012, 03:15:32 PM
I tend to like Stanhope but I don't find that funny at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 11, 2012, 04:13:02 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19562688

So that nutter pastor Terry Jones down in Florida is making an anti-Muslim movie and people in Egypt are going apeshit. My question is how do they find out about these things? This guy's only claim to fame is that one time he said he was gonna burn the Koran, otherwise I've never heard of him, and I've never heard of this movie, but he's got people on the other side of the world tearing shit up. Does he send out a press release to the Middle East before he does this stuff "Hey, I making a movie about how much you guys suck, lol!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2012, 04:17:45 PM
Quote
An official in Jerusalem said that the prime minister's office sent the White House a message stating that although Netanyahu will spend only two and a half days on U.S. soil, he is interested in meeting Obama and is willing to travel to the U.S. capital specifically for that purpose. The official added that the White House rejected the request and said that at this time Obama's schedule does not allow for a meeting.

The White House's response marks a new low in relations between Netanyahu and Obama, underscored by the fact that this is the first time Netanyahu will visit the U.S. as prime minister without meeting the president.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak tried to ease the tension on Tuesday, saying that the differences between the U.S. and Israel should be ironed out "but behind closed doors."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/white-house-declines-netanyahu-request-to-meet-with-obama.premium-1.464328

Coming after Bibi basically took a shit on the US government's handling of Iran today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 11, 2012, 04:23:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eqL6j.jpg)

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/fox-news-unemployment-obama-fail.php?ref=fpa
A direct comparison is less misleading, but also less eye-popping.

The standard measure of unemployment (U-3) when Obama took office was 7.9 percent. Now it’s 8.1 percent.

The broader measure of unemployment (U-6) when Obama took office was 14.2 percent. Now it’s 14.7 percent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2012, 04:55:18 PM
Gary Johnson AMA

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zq0ow/i_am_gov_gary_johnson_the_libertarian_candidate/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2012, 05:06:46 PM
I catch myself nodding at his responses until anything related to the economy is brought up.   :-\  His response to the education question in particular is absurdly dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2012, 05:12:47 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 11, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Could someone post some stupid answers? I try and read Reddit but it hurts my brain  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2012, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on September 11, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Could someone post some stupid answers? I try and read Reddit but it hurts my brain  :-\

qft

take that archaic shit somewhere else
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2012, 07:35:47 PM
Quote from: Broseidon on September 11, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Could someone post some stupid answers? I try and read Reddit but it hurts my brain  :-\

Here's q&a's all in one post:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zq0ow/i_am_gov_gary_johnson_the_libertarian_candidate/c66rvnu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 11, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
A lot of his answers are surprisingly progressive for a libertarian.  Shame about that fair tax thing though :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 11, 2012, 07:40:04 PM
Yeah, I agree with a lot of his answers except for his stance on taxes and the education system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 11, 2012, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: Eric P on September 11, 2012, 10:01:47 AM
well that ties back to the us's totally fucked food policies which make shit like corn and wheat so cheap.

People still like to eat a lot. That's also a problem.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 11, 2012, 11:47:33 PM
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/bostonspirit/2012/09/romney_a_wimp_not_so_much_acco.html

What a horrible person.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 01:04:51 AM
lol:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/11/1130219/-Shocker-Jen-Rubin-says-something-so-idiotic-it-only-takes-60-characters-2-links-to-destroy-it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 02:05:04 AM
Trying my hardest not to explode on facebook in relation to this Egypt embassy shit. Given the language being thrown around it sounds like folks want to....attack Libya?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 12, 2012, 09:59:34 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 02:05:04 AM
Trying my hardest not to explode on facebook in relation to this Egypt embassy shit. Given the language being thrown around it sounds like folks want to....attack Libya?
Maybe they're confusing the Cairo attacks for the Benghazi ones.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 11:23:02 AM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/when_you_learn_theyre_not_ready.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 11:26:28 AM
Quote
Romney's attack was not only ill-judged and ill-timed, it was actually based on what appears to be a demonstrable falsehood.

quelle surprise
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 11:36:10 AM
I'm watching Romney's remakes/question taking
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mitt-romneys-statements-on-attacks-on-libyan-embassy

What the fuck is he doing? The embassy response came out BEFORE the attack
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
The reality barrier has been shattered, time is now without form or structure. Obama's failed presidency rippled back in time, destroying President Bush's legacy and causing the financial crash of 2009 and TARP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 11:49:34 AM
Romney is not about let the rules of time and space dictate his campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 12:00:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o3ooQ.jpg)


Hmmmm, where have I seen that facial expression before...I just can't put my finger on it. :smug

Eat shit Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
The reality barrier has been shattered, time is now without form or structure. Obama's failed presidency rippled back in time, destroying President Bush's legacy and causing the financial crash of 2009 and TARP.

the problem is that there are now infinite romneys

#manhattanprojects
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 12:10:44 PM
Quote from: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
The reality barrier has been shattered, time is now without form or structure. Obama's failed presidency rippled back in time, destroying President Bush's legacy and causing the financial crash of 2009 and TARP.

the problem is that there are now infinite romneys

#manhattanprojects

I knew Mormon families were huge, but this is ridiculous~
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2012, 12:27:45 PM
Well, if we ever needed absolute confirmation that he's a complete and total remorseless sociopath with no basic human empathy, we've now got it.  Go shove some dynamite up your ass, you scumfucking cuntburger.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
One of the people killed in this attack was a moderator from Something Awful that I actually really liked.  I wasnt personal friends with him or anything, but it makes Romneys cynical political play more infuriating to me then usual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 12:45:03 PM
Who died?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 12:45:39 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 12:45:03 PM
Who died?

Vile Rat from EVE Online's Goonswarm:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/119552-Senior-EVE-Online-Community-Member-Killed-in-Libya-Consulate-Riot
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 12:49:35 PM
Holy shit, he was a mod at D&D! RIP.

This thread!

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3186581
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
Holy shit, I'm even more angry about this than I normally would be now. Vilerat died in that attack and Romney is politicizing it? I'm with you Grandpa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 01:54:30 PM
Imagine the Republican response is something like 9/11 happens while Obama is President.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 02:09:47 PM
How is SA responding to this? Are they viewing it as Romney politicizing deaths?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 02:21:48 PM
Most of the posters in d&d are furious, which is not entirely surprising given the highly left-wing nature of the forum.  They would have been disgusted with Romneys political pandering either way, although the level of anger is definitely higher then usual.  What is new is the amount of donations to the Obama campaign that this inspired.  One guy literally donated $2500 to Obama in reaction to Romneys speech this morning.  There's also fundraising being set up for Vilerats family.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 02:22:29 PM
SA is taking it about as well as they can because he was active in the community. D&D - the forum he moderated - is pissed the fuck off. Many find it weird to even see politicians talking about him. Most are just shocked. There is a fund for his family.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Wired put up a good article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 12, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Wired put up a good article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/

Good article, but like every other online news article, the user comments make me sick.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 12, 2012, 02:35:26 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 12:00:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o3ooQ.jpg)


Hmmmm, where have I seen that facial expression before...I just can't put my finger on it. :smug

Eat shit Romney.

 (http://i.imgur.com/ps9XY.png) (http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/drake.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 12, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Wired put up a good article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/

Good article, but like every other online news article, the user comments make me sick.

About the only news site with user comments that don't make me feel that way is Talking Points Memo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 12, 2012, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 12, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Wired put up a good article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/

Good article, but like every other online news article, the user comments make me sick.

About the only news site with user comments that don't make me feel that way is Talking Points Memo.

Part of me thought that when some sites required you to use your real name/Facebook account to comment, things would get better. I think they got worse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 12, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Wired put up a good article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/

Good article, but like every other online news article, the user comments make me sick.

About the only news site with user comments that don't make me feel that way is Talking Points Memo.

then you get it in the direction of the left so it becomes just as bad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 03:13:07 PM
Quote from: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 02:37:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 12, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 02:26:22 PM
Wired put up a good article.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/

Good article, but like every other online news article, the user comments make me sick.

About the only news site with user comments that don't make me feel that way is Talking Points Memo.

then you get it in the direction of the left so it becomes just as bad

It is bad sometimes, yeah, but generally not AS bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2012, 03:24:52 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 01:54:30 PM
Imagine the Republican response is something like 9/11 happens while Obama is President.  :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/ps9XY.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 12, 2012, 05:01:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vBq5x.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/zs2n3/i_am_jill_stein_green_party_presidential/

Jill Stein ama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 05:42:17 PM
So how much do you guys think this incident's gonna hurt Romney?

Quote from: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 12:00:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/o3ooQ.jpg)


Hmmmm, where have I seen that facial expression before...I just can't put my finger on it. :smug

Eat shit Romney.

Hopefully that pic gets a lot of mileage from here on out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 05:46:37 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 05:42:17 PM
So how much do you guys think this incident's gonna hurt Romney?

Not as much as it should.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/jon-kyl-embassy-statement-was-like-telling-raped
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ), the No. 2 Republican in the chamber, told reporters Wednesday that a U.S. Embassy statement condemning an anti-Muslim movie -- which was reportedly issued before the attack in Libya that killed four American diplomats -- was akin to blaming a victim for rape.

Here's what Kyl said, as quoted by Roll Call reporter Meredith Shiner:

"It's like the judge telling the woman who got raped, 'You asked for it because of the way you dressed.' OK? That's the same thing. 'Well America, you should be the ones to apologize, you should have known this would happen, you should have done — what I don't know — but it's your fault that it happened.' You know, for a member of our State Department to put out a statement like that, it had to be cleared by somebody. They don't just do that in the spur of the moment."

:derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/jon-kyl-embassy-statement-was-like-telling-raped
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ), the No. 2 Republican in the chamber, told reporters Wednesday that a U.S. Embassy statement condemning an anti-Muslim movie -- which was reportedly issued before the attack in Libya that killed four American diplomats -- was akin to blaming a victim for rape.

Here's what Kyl said, as quoted by Roll Call reporter Meredith Shiner:

"It's like the judge telling the woman who got raped, 'You asked for it because of the way you dressed.' OK? That's the same thing. 'Well America, you should be the ones to apologize, you should have known this would happen, you should have done — what I don't know — but it's your fault that it happened.' You know, for a member of our State Department to put out a statement like that, it had to be cleared by somebody. They don't just do that in the spur of the moment."

:derp

This is quite literally the first time I've seen A REPUBLICAN use the "blaming the rape victim" card.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 05:55:41 PM
Here's the "movie" that supposedly started all this mess:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4

That's some Adult Swim-esque production values going on here. And if not for the seriousness surrounding it, I'd almost think that's what it was made for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 05:56:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oE_01YOcBY

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 05:56:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oE_01YOcBY

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7718/obamax.png)

Not bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2012, 05:59:51 PM
Supposedly the movie was made with "$5 Million dollars from 100 wealthy jews" lol. More like 5 Million rubles from  a dozen fairly well-off goat farmers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 06:02:38 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 12, 2012, 05:59:51 PM
Supposedly the movie was made with "$5 Million dollars from 100 wealthy jews" lol. More like 5 Million rubles from  a dozen fairly well-off goat farmers.

And Tommy Wiseau was the executive producer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 06:14:12 PM
This is a clear case of incitement. Jones has been flagged for this before, and the FBI has asked him to refrain from similar stunts in the past. His point is not simply to argue Muslims are violent, it is to prove that point by throwing gasoline on the fire and waiting for the explosions (as he hides in Florida). With this in mind, it's no wonder the embassy statement stressed that this type of language is unacceptable. And it must be stressed that their statement was released BEFORE the attack occurred.

It's not a coincidence that most of the mainstream GOP (Boehner, Cantor, Rice, etc) have put out condolence statements while denouncing the violence, but make no mention of the president. Even the McCain/Lieberman/Graham holy trinity didn't jump the shark on this.

I've slowly gone from indifference to disliking to really disliking Romney over the past year, but his recent behavior has moved him into "intolerable pos" territory for me. I can't even imagine Bush's White House bungling this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 06:20:42 PM
I'm really convinced this is Romney's "Lehman moment" - there's no unscrewing this pooch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 06:23:10 PM
Romeny's already been slipping in the polls post-convention, this certainly isn't going to help him in that regard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
I heard Mittens is down by five in a Fox News poll today. lolz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 06:32:22 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 06:29:12 PM
I heard Mittens is down by five in a Fox News poll today. lolz

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/09/10/mitt-romney-polling-neil-newhouse-memo/70000038/1#.UFEOx41lQmA

(http://i.imgur.com/ps9XY.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
If there's one thing 99% of Americans can agree on (well, 85%) it's:

1) Don't politicize the slaughter of American citizens, at home or abroad
2) If you're dumb enough to politicize it anyway, don't obviously lie about it to everyone's face.

Anyone who looks at the murder of an ambassador and sees it as a way to win the news cycle is, frankly, a sociopath. Not even Ryan (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/12/1130851/-Ryan-mum-on-Mitt-s-attack) is touching this one with a 10-foot-pole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 12, 2012, 06:38:19 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
Not even Ryan (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/12/1130851/-Ryan-mum-on-Mitt-s-attack) is touching this one with a 10-foot-pole.

https://twitter.com/RIFSnobs/status/246007779758841856
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 12, 2012, 07:01:22 PM
I don't think this is some insurmountable, dealbreaking screwup.  But it is the sort of thing that both the public and the media recognize as being wrong, and if Romney doubles down then it'll get worse.  Palin didn't get really heavy criticism when she first had fibs in her VP speeches, it was when she kept saying them and defying the media after they ran fact-checking articles that pundits started asking if there were some personal flaws.

If Desperate Romney becomes part of the conventional wisdom like Dumb Palin or Lying Al Gore (which was unfair but of course I'd say that), watch out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
He's already tripled down. It's crazy. All Obama has to do is act presidential over the next few days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2012, 07:20:27 PM
Romney's campaign has already said they wouldn't be beholden to "fact checkers" so I'm kind of confused that everyone has the vapors over the continued lying.

Personally, I don't think this is on the level of "let's suspend my campaign to deal with this" but the thing is, there's plenty of time for Romney to compound this fuck up with other fuck ups, or as they'll surely be known after this campaign, "Mittenisms"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2012, 07:22:31 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 12, 2012, 07:20:27 PM
Romney's campaign has already said they wouldn't be beholden to "fact checkers" so I'm kind of confused that everyone has the vapors over the continued lying.

Because Bill Clinton lied about having an affair and SHUT UP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 06:20:42 PM
I'm really convinced this is Romney's "Lehman moment" - there's no unscrewing this pooch.

IMO it depends on how the media reports on it, and whether citizens are paying attention. So far I haven't seen anyone (outside of TPM/other sites) point out the embassy statement was released before the attack, thus making Romney's criticism false. That journalism fail is currently giving Mitt some cover; he's looking bad sure, but could be looking a lot worse if people knew more facts

This election will be about the economy, but I do think a story like this goes into the basic issue of judgement. In 08, McCain's judgement was called into question due to his impulsive response to the financial crisis. I don't think this is on the same level, but here's the problem imo: Romney's judgement and character was questioned all through the summer. He made a fool of himself overseas, and came home to a barrage of Bain attacks centered (again) on judgement: is the bottom line more important than workers, can you be trusted to respect women's health rights, etc. This story adds on top of what is already an existing narrative. That's a big problem for Romney, whereas I think McCain had voter's trust until he fucked up his response to the financial crisis. Romney never had anyone's trust, even his own party's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2012, 07:26:30 PM
Jake Tapper just reported the correct chronology on the CBS evening news, so I think we're covered there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 12, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
i posted about this on FB, and someone i havent talked to in 5 years clicked Like and then made a status update saying that they have never been for or against any politician, but they think romney is disturbing and they will vote to keep him from office. I think this will gain traction
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 07:48:07 PM
his internal polling must have him set to lose already if he's making plays this desperate.  I sensed alot of strain coming from the man when he was asked about his chances on NBC over the weekend.  This was a play from someone who is really not liking his odds.  The worst thing about it is that it's an issue that is all but guaranteed to come up in the debate on foreign policy, which I think is the last public performance by the candidates before voting starts.  He's going to have to double down on this AGAIN, everyone will have it fresh in their mind walking in to the booth.  Ouch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 12, 2012, 08:07:52 PM
Kind of reminds me of mid-late October 2008 where deep down you knew McCain knew he lost, where Palin started going off on her own, and things were unraveling fast.  Except this time it is mid September and there hasn't been a single debate yet.

Little wonder why Paul Ryan is running re-election ads.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 08:16:30 PM
Religion/politics side note/TL DR warning: my mom REALLY dislikes Romney. She wasn't a fan of Bush, but respected him in the general ways a lot of folks tended to at the time ("he's a man of faith...he believes in what he's doing...etc"). A lot of it has to do with her visceral dislike of Mormons in general. When I was growing up, both my parents put a lot of religious emphasis on teaching me to dislike and oppose three theological views: Calvinism, Jehova's Witnesses, and the Church of Latter Day Saints. At the time I could understand the basic complaints against the first two on a biblical level, as in if I got into a debate (at that time) I could quote the verses I was spoon fed. But the explanation I always got when asked why I shouldn't like Mormons was "they're racist against black people."

I learned more about Mormons in highschool once I left home school, and even made some Mormon friends. It's certainly true the religion was rather racist for a time, but today I can't really say I believe they're officially racist anymore.

Naturally, my mom still believes they're all racist and cannot stand them. My mom has Jewish friends, Muslim friends, hell she even has Jehova's Witness friends now; she's never been an angry or mean person. Yet I've seen her close the door on Mormons who knock on the door (without saying a word), she refused to invite a Mormon family to a big dinner event she hosted for the other families on their block of the suburbs, etc.

(My dad may not like Mormons, but he's too nice in general to treat anyone bad unless you're from Ohio State)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2012, 08:27:24 PM
Quote
Like many Americans of the era, Mormons of the 19th century commonly assumed that Cain's "mark" was black skin,[24] and that Cain's descendants were black and still under Cain's mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain

Mitt thinks Obama is black because he's cursed. Before you discount this, he's given the church over $50M. I'm pretty sure he's a true believer.

I hope it's not the case. He believes he will get a planet when he dies. I just find it crazy that the religious right would vote for a non-christian instead of a non-white.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 12, 2012, 08:42:10 PM
I don't think Romney believes that stuff.  Hasn't been taught to Mormons for a while, and people are generally good at rationalizing how their particular church acted in the past.  He might believe some outlandish stuff, but we don't accuse Catholics of believing in a geocentric universe.  Usually.

And to your second point, remember that they think the black dude's Muslim.  Makes that particular conundrum a bit easier, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 12, 2012, 09:01:05 PM
Didn't Romney's father cry in joy when the Mormon church reversed their stance on black people?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 09:01:33 PM
I have a cousin and her family who are mormon. Makes me smh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 12, 2012, 09:04:38 PM
Apparently msnbc actually did a piece on Vile rat.  Hope it comes online soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 09:09:29 PM
 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
Relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_riamLAbuTQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
Got some dumb card in the mail stressing all the great things Obama has done from the Barack Obama campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
Sounds like you're bummed you didn't get this one
http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking-news/ny-senator-called-political-whore-for-backing-gay-marriage.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 09:33:30 PM
Goddamn. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 12, 2012, 10:50:04 PM
PD, how much does your family idolize Obama? My mom has photos in frames, photos in cabinets - laminated, in fact. Even Obama family photos sitting inside flower vases.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2012, 12:56:12 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 12, 2012, 10:50:04 PM
PD, how much does your family idolize Obama? My mom has photos in frames, photos in cabinets - laminated, in fact. Even Obama family photos sitting inside flower vases.

My mom loves Obama; she's more active in politics now than I've ever seen her. My dad was campaigning for Obama in early 2007 when he was down 30 points to Hillary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 13, 2012, 05:33:48 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 06:14:12 PM
This is a clear case of incitement. Jones has been flagged for this before,

it's not even jones.  This Sam Becile character is really out there

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/sam_bacile_film_embassy_attacks.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on September 13, 2012, 06:55:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
Sounds like you're bummed you didn't get this one
http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking-news/ny-senator-called-political-whore-for-backing-gay-marriage.html

Jesus christ that's arousing. I refuse to believe an organisation could create an advert like this and not be filled to the brim with repressed sexuality.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 13, 2012, 07:02:08 AM
Obummer sends navy to libya to apologize for film personally

Quote
Meanwhile, the administration took the first steps toward a possible military response, moving two Navy destroyers toward the coast of Libya as a precaution, and sending 50 Marines to help secure the U.S. embassy in Tripoli. Though more details are beginning to emerge, officials still haven't confirmed reports that the attack on the Benghazi consulate was planned.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/14/world/middleeast/mideast-turmoil-spreads-to-us-embassy-in-yemen.html?_r=1&hp

edit: whoops.  wrong link
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/us-begins-hunt-for-ambassadors-killers.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2012, 10:00:54 AM
JUST IN TIME FOR THE DNC TO SUCK ISRAEL'S COCK.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-germany-usa-consulate-idUSBRE88C0KG20120913

Incident at the German US embassy possibly involving anthrax.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 13, 2012, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-germany-usa-consulate-idUSBRE88C0KG20120913

Incident at the German US embassy possibly involving anthrax.

I don't see the word anthrax anywhere in that link, Himu.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
You're right. My bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 13, 2012, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-germany-usa-consulate-idUSBRE88C0KG20120913

Incident at the German US embassy possibly involving anthrax.

False alarm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 13, 2012, 01:08:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 13, 2012, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 13, 2012, 10:07:05 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-germany-usa-consulate-idUSBRE88C0KG20120913

Incident at the German US embassy possibly involving anthrax.

False alarm.

Awaiting Romney press conference
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2012, 01:43:47 PM
Obama should have bombed Germany to make sure. Leading from behind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 13, 2012, 06:55:51 PM
Holy shit, it's all over for B-rock the Islamic Shock:

Quote
Ohio - O 50 - R 43
Florida - O 49 - R 44
Virginia - O 49- R 44
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 13, 2012, 07:19:25 PM
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2012, 07:52:49 PM
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/3148/whew.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2012, 08:13:44 PM
(http://ompldr.org/vMzB1bA/obama-shoulder-brush.jpg.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 13, 2012, 08:57:50 PM
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 13, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 13, 2012, 06:55:51 PM
Holy shit, it's all over for B-rock the Islamic Shock:

Quote
Ohio - O 50 - R 43
Florida - O 49 - R 44
Virginia - O 49- R 44

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/124/2/7/obama_just_as_planned_by_link_l33t-d3fkfgo.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2012, 10:14:22 PM
At this point, I don't think Rmoney can afford to lose either OH or FL.  Obviously losing both would sink him fo sho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 13, 2012, 11:22:06 PM
He has to win Ohio, there's no path to the White House without it for him. Whereas Obama could lose Florida and Ohio and still win

http://www.270towin.com/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 14, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
cant wait for the truly insane shit theyre gonna pull out to try n sink obama in the next few weeks!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 12:36:02 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on September 14, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
cant wait for the truly insane shit theyre gonna pull out to try n sink obama in the next few weeks!

Well, there's this:

Quote from: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/kansas_birther_kris_kobach.php?ref=fpa
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, an informal advisor to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, said on Thursday he and his fellow members of a state board were considering removing President Barack Obama from the Kansas ballot this November.

Kobach is part of the State Objections Board along with Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, all Republicans. The Topeka Capital-Journal reported that on Thursday the board agreed consider whether to take Obama off the ballot because they said they lacked sufficient evidence about his birth certificate.

“I don’t think it’s a frivolous objection,” Kobach said, according to the Capital-Journal. “I do think the factual record could be supplemented.”

The board is looking at a complaint filed by Joe Montgomery, of Manhattan, Kan., who claimed the Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen and so is ineligible to be president. The man appears to be part of a group of conspiracy theorists known as “birthers,” who deny Obama’s birth certificate is real.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 12:56:44 AM
I hope they do it, actually.  Kobach is a member of the Romney campaign, and that move would further the campaign/party to go on the record for all to see. It'll be like the Akin shit: crazy on fully display
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 14, 2012, 01:05:17 AM
yeah, it's not like Obama is gonna win Kansas. go for it!~
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 01:15:20 AM
A sitting President being taken off a state ballot for reasons that didn't even amount to anything the first time around would be the most mind-boggling thing ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2012, 01:18:23 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 01:15:20 AM
A sitting President being taken off a state ballot for reasons that didn't even amount to anything the first time around would be the most mind-boggling thing ever.

Just wait until the House impeaches Bernanke next week!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
Does nobody remember the successful impeachment of a sitting president over a blowjob?  I mean, sure, the Republicans you've got today are crazy, but they're not setting records.

Let me tell you about Joe Louis...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 14, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
Does nobody remember the successful impeachment of a sitting president over a blowjob?  I mean, sure, the Republicans you've got today are crazy, but they're not setting records.

Let me tell you about Joe Louis...

Rocky Marciano!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2012, 01:32:57 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 14, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 14, 2012, 01:21:22 AM
Does nobody remember the successful impeachment of a sitting president over a blowjob?  I mean, sure, the Republicans you've got today are crazy, but they're not setting records.

Let me tell you about Joe Louis...

Rocky Marciano!

*Like*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9-trei8ro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 01:35:33 AM
How accurate is that Jewish guy, Mandark? I can vouch that the rest of the barbershop in Coming to America is pretty authentic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2012, 01:43:25 AM
"Joe Louis was 137 years old!"

Movie is great.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 14, 2012, 01:47:49 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 14, 2012, 01:35:33 AM
How accurate is that Jewish guy, Mandark? I can vouch that the rest of the barbershop in Coming to America is pretty authentic.

I used to work directly next to a barbershop like that.  Kinda wish I still did, cause I'd love to sit in and listen to the old black dudes talk about RG3 and Mitt Romney.  I think I've told this story before, but the one time I got my hair cut there I had to wait cause the first guy available didn't "know how to cut white guys' hair."  And that was the token white barber.

The most spot-on thing about the Jewish guy is that when they're talking about Cassius Clay, he's the one defending the name change and getting all prickly*.  Most of the really old Jewish men I've known have been liberal as shit.  My grandfather cancelled his subscription to The Atlantic in the 90's because it had "gotten too conservative."


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This is also great cause it lets Eddie Murphy say "Muhammad" over and over with as much phlegm as possible.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 02:00:48 AM
White dudes come into the barber shop I frequent all the time. Usually they're military/ROTC and getting low cuts. Last year the whitest white guy came in there decked out in Marine shit and said "hello, could you give me a Julius?" Me and the brothers looked at him like
(http://imageshack.us/a/img826/1242/wtflxy.png)
The barber was like "uh do you mean a Caesar?" and he said "oh that's what it's called. My sergeant told me it was called a Julius..." Everyone busted out laughing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 02:31:07 AM
:rofl

White people never go to the barbers I frequent. Only one guy I knew in college did, and he got low cuts.

I remember when I moved to Florida, I asked around the school on where I could find a black barber shop as that's the first thing I do when I go to a new place. The people, mostly white, were offended. "Why does it have to be a black barber shop?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 02:38:37 AM
I'm still scarred by the time my mom took me to Fantastic Sams. We had just moved from Detroit to a nicer (and whiter) city, and I needed a haircut. Shortly after I got in the chair the barber talked to my mom, then the other barbers, and finally we left. When I asked my mom what happened she was like "they don't know how to cut black people's hair"  :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 02:44:19 AM
No white person has ever touched my hair with clippers. 8)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 14, 2012, 03:07:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 02:00:48 AM
White dudes come into the barber shop I frequent all the time. Usually they're military/ROTC and getting low cuts. Last year the whitest white guy came in there decked out in Marine shit and said "hello, could you give me a Julius?" Me and the brothers looked at him like
(http://imageshack.us/a/img826/1242/wtflxy.png)
The barber was like "uh do you mean a Caesar?" and he said "oh that's what it's called. My sergeant told me it was called a Julius..." Everyone busted out laughing

this is awesome :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 12:39:33 PM
Mitt Romney on Wednesday:

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“It’s also important for me — just as it was for the White House, last night by the way — to say that the statements were inappropriate, and in my view a disgraceful statement on the part of our administration to apologize for American values.”

Mitt Romney on Friday:

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“You know, I think it’s dispiriting sometimes to see some of the awful things people say,” Romney said. “And the idea of using something that some people consider sacred and then parading that out a negative way is simply inappropriate and wrong. And I wish people wouldn’t do it.”

“I think the whole film is a terrible idea,” he said. “I think him making it, promoting it showing it is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment —- the good judgment — not to be — not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 01:04:03 PM
:lol

I mean...

(http://i.imgur.com/ps9XY.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/bryan-fischer-todays-gop-will-be-dead-if-romney-loses.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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“If Barack Obama wins this election the Republican Party as we know it is finished, it is dead, it is toast — you can stick a fork in it,” he told TPM Friday at the Values Voter Summit in Washington. “And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”

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“I think if Mitt Romney loses this election that the pro-family leaders in the United States should get together with Rick Perry on Nov. 7 and start planning for 2016,” he said.

Ho ho, well 2016 sounds like it's gonna be a blast.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 01:50:35 PM
Poor Rick Santorum. He has done more for the religious right movement than anyone else over the last few years and they still don't give a shit about him (when given other options)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 01:53:14 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/09/muslim-protests-spread-around-the-globe/100369/

obama with star of david on his eyes made me laugh out loud
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2012, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 14, 2012, 01:53:14 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/09/muslim-protests-spread-around-the-globe/100369/

obama with star of david on his eyes made me laugh out loud

I found this picture pretty bizarre:

(http://i.imgur.com/2xqBH.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/CTaKU.jpg)

:usacry
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 01:57:07 PM
I agree, that Hardee's is too clean. The after picture looks a more accurate depiction of the chain.

Also, I like how many are protesting America while wearing western-styled clothing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 01:57:57 PM
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/prophet091412/s_p09_51961858.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 02:00:01 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 02:15:23 PM
Guess you really don't want to be caught in a Krispy Kreme. All that glaze must be inflammable.

This might have been posted, but that isidewith site started logging the results of the sites that took their survey.

GAF is on there: http://www.isidewith.com/results/9
4chan: http://www.isidewith.com/results/10
SA: http://www.isidewith.com/results/36

DU: http://www.isidewith.com/results/44
FreeRepublic: http://www.isidewith.com/results/37

They're listed on the main page under the map: http://www.isidewith.com/ (Though some of them like Drudge and Fox News don't seem to work for me anymore.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
So some rightwingers make a video, the middle east is rioting over it, and it's Obama's fault for what now? I can't wrap my head around this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 14, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
So some rightwingers make a video, the middle east is rioting over it, and it's Obama's fault for what now? I can't wrap my head around this.

That's nothing, now try to wrap your head around former Bush advisers saying that the attack on our embassy in another country proves that Obama is soft on terror, and that this wouldn't have happened with a Republican in there.

Never sometimes forget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 14, 2012, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 14, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 14, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
So some rightwingers make a video, the middle east is rioting over it, and it's Obama's fault for what now? I can't wrap my head around this.

That's nothing, now try to wrap your head around former Bush advisers saying that the attack on our embassy in another country proves that Obama is soft on terror, and that this wouldn't have happened with a Republican in there.

Never sometimes forget.

I just realized I forgot 9/11 this year :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2012, 02:43:57 PM
Still, these people right wingers act as though the muslims are doing it out of the blue instead of being incited by the right wing's own people. What a wretched group of people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 14, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
That's nothing, now try to wrap your head around former Bush advisers saying that the attack on our embassy in another country proves that Obama is soft on terror, and that this wouldn't have happened with a Republican in there.

Never sometimes forget.

To be fair, Johm McCain would have had a few more divisions on the ground in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Finland, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on September 14, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 14, 2012, 02:42:32 PM
I just realized I forgot 9/11 this year :o
I almost forgot but then I went on facebook and saw someone's status that said "never forget."  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 03:17:21 PM
I never forget because it's my dad's birthday.  :heart

He said "it wasn't what [he] wanted" that year.  :-\

Also knew a girl who had hoped I would ask her out that same day because it would have made our anniversary "special."   :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 14, 2012, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 02:44:37 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 14, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
That's nothing, now try to wrap your head around former Bush advisers saying that the attack on our embassy in another country proves that Obama is soft on terror, and that this wouldn't have happened with a Republican in there.

Never sometimes forget.

To be fair, Johm McCain would have had a few more divisions on the ground in Libya, Syria, Egypt, Finland, Iran, Yemen, Pakistan, etc.

Yeah man, you can never trust those damn Finns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 14, 2012, 03:21:17 PM
Yeah man, you can never trust those damn Finns.

Have you seen their new dangerous weapon capabilities: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/finland-dominates-annual-mobile-phone-throwing-championships-article-1.1142097
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgw99VoCssU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 06:01:16 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-strikes-wis-law-limiting-union-rights-17240678

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A Wisconsin judge has struck down the state law championed by Gov. Scott Walker that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most public workers.

Dane County Circuit Judge Juan Colas ruled Friday that the law violates both the state and U.S. Constitution and is null and void.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 14, 2012, 06:40:24 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romneys-foreign-policy-an-ideology-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/2012/09/13/de002106-fdf0-11e1-8adc-499661afe377_print.html

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Romney’s foreign policy: An ideology that dare not speak its name

By Jason Horowitz, Published: September 13

The Romney campaign does not dispute that Mitt Romney is a neoconservative, it just refuses to say the word neoconservative.

“His embrace of American values and interests and his call for American leadership abroad throughout this campaign is indicative of a philosophy of peace through strength,” Alex Wong, the campaign’s foreign policy director, said in an interview.

Does he embrace neoconservatism?

“You know,” said Wong, “throughout this campaign Governor Romney has indicated that his view on the world is peace through strength, American leadership, in guaranteeing an American century, that this new century continues to be an American century. And that’s the governing philosophy of Governor Romney on peace through strength.”

So does he consider himself a neoconservative?

“What I’m saying is,” said Wong, “Governor Romney’s embrace of American values and interests and his call for American leadership is a philosophy of peace through strength.”

So then does he dispute the classisfication of neoconservative?

“What I’m saying is,” said Wong, “Governor Romney’s embrace of American values and interests and his call for American leadership…”

So does he feel comfortable being called a neoconservative?

“What I am saying is,” said Wong, “that Governor Romney has used, has said, that his philosophy is peace through strength.”

Does he have a problem with the term neoconservative?

“Governor Romney has indicated that he has a philosophy,” said Wong, “peace through strength.”

So he does have a problem with the term neoconservative.

“Governor Romney,” said Wong, “has throughout this campaign talked about American values and interests and called for American leadership abroad.”

Does he embrace the concepts of neoconservatism, just not the title?

“I think I have given you a lot here,” said Wong. “I have described Governor Romney’s philosophy and the way he’s discussed it and how he makes his decisions.”

Got it. So he does not embrace the word neoconservatism.

“Governor Romney has discussed throughout this campaign a call for American leadership abroad, restoring American leadership, restoring the sinews of American strength, and that’s based on restoring our economic strength number, that’s one, restoring our military strength, that’s two, and restoring the strength of our values. These are the three pillars of American strength abroad. And it is a philosophy of peace through strength.”

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/anti-muslim-director-porn.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

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The director of the anti-Muslim film blamed for violence and protests in the Middle East this week once directed softcore porn and other low-budget films, according to Gawker.

In 2009 and 2011 casting calls for the film, now known as “Innocence of Muslims” but back then called “Desert Warrior,” the director on the project was listed as Alan Roberts. An IMDB page for an Alan Roberts credits him with directing films including 1972’s “The Sexpert,” 1980’s “The Happy Hooker Goes Hollywood” and 1991’s “Karate Cop.”

"In the future there is no law and no order. Only John Travis, The last cop on Earth."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 14, 2012, 08:18:51 PM
Bush and Co. killed the word "neoconservative."  I'm not sure what they will rebrand it as but they'll find a way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
Didn't they brand it "Tea party"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 14, 2012, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 14, 2012, 08:18:51 PM
Bush and Co. killed the word "neoconservative."  I'm not sure what they will rebrand it as but they'll find a way.

"Cunt"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 08:24:17 PM
You guys are being too harsh on Romney, whatever his position today has no bearing on his position in the future so it'd be silly to declare his policy to be this or that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 14, 2012, 08:35:51 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 14, 2012, 08:24:17 PM
You guys are being too harsh on Romney, whatever his position today has no bearing on his position in the future so it'd be silly to declare his policy to be this or that.

His foreign policy team is dominated by neoconservatives from the Bush administration - I think it's more than safe to say we know exactly what his policy will look like as president.

The one thing I'll give Romney slack on is Israel. I don't believe he'll simply go along with an attack asap given the hesitations/concerns expressed by both the US and Israeli military command. IIRC Bush refused to go along with an attack in 2007 for similar reasons.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2012, 08:39:33 PM
If it was the Romney of 10 years ago, Obama would be toast. The fact that he's had to reverse course on everything that made him a moderate shows what a shallow person he is. Romney is pretty fucking rich, but his puppet masters are hundreds of times more rich than he is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 14, 2012, 08:59:04 PM
Quote
Democrats say Romney’s plan would cause a $2000 tax hike on the middle class – something Romney disputes and points to a number of studies that say his plan to cut taxes will not increase the deficit, including one by Harvard professor Martin Feldstein.

Feldstein says Romney’s math will work, but he would have to eliminate the home mortgage, charitable, state and local tax deductions for incomes greater than $100,000.

When I pressed Romney on that point, he conceded that he actually hadn’t read the Feldstein report that he and Paul Ryan cite on the campaign trail.

“I haven’t seen his precise study,” he said.


...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 14, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 14, 2012, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 14, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 14, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
So some rightwingers make a video, the middle east is rioting over it, and it's Obama's fault for what now? I can't wrap my head around this.

That's nothing, now try to wrap your head around former Bush advisers saying that the attack on our embassy in another country proves that Obama is soft on terror, and that this wouldn't have happened with a Republican in there.

Never sometimes forget.

I just realized I forgot 9/11 this year :o

i did too! SO AWESOME.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 14, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 14, 2012, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 14, 2012, 02:42:32 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 14, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on September 14, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
So some rightwingers make a video, the middle east is rioting over it, and it's Obama's fault for what now? I can't wrap my head around this.

That's nothing, now try to wrap your head around former Bush advisers saying that the attack on our embassy in another country proves that Obama is soft on terror, and that this wouldn't have happened with a Republican in there.

Never sometimes forget.

I just realized I forgot 9/11 this year :o

i did too! SO AWESOME.

Knock knock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 14, 2012, 10:34:19 PM
I totally forgot about 9/11 if it weren't for facebook statuses. Like, a friend said,"11 YEARS AGO TODAY I WAS SITTING IN A CLASSROOM IN MIDDLE SCHOOL" and I'm  like,"what happened 11 years ago? Who cares?"

Then five minutes I pretty much went,"oh"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 14, 2012, 11:32:22 PM
I'm a diehard NPR listener so there's no way I coold forget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2012, 02:02:46 AM
i live in nyc so...yeah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 02:04:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NuTWTAXkA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2012, 02:38:50 AM
Obama Plays Hardball and Egypt’s Morsi Folds
http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/obama-plays-hardball-and-egypts-morsi-folds.html

too long to post snippets, but I'd love to get our foreign policy extraordinaire The Business' thoughts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 05:05:56 AM
For what it's worth I was reading a few conservative things earlier and they had more or less the same general take, but obviously more negative towards Obama on "what it means."

Since somebody was asking earlier maybe seriously. It seems like the Republican criticism* is coming mostly from how Obama/Hillary worded things earlier. To use Taranto who I like despite often disagreements:
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Wait a minute, "anti-American domestic opinion"? We thought they just didn't like the movie. The riots are in Egypt, but Jay Carney seems to be in denial.

Reuters reports that Morsi's account of the conversation with Obama is quite different from the White House's, as reported by the Times: "On Thursday, [Morsi] said he asked U.S. President Barack Obama to act against those seeking to harm relations. His cabinet said Washington was not to blame for the film but urged the United States to take legal action against those insulting religion."

Egypt is demanding that Obama violate the American Constitution by prosecuting speech that is protected under the First Amendment. That fact is left out of the Times puff piece, which mentions only that Morsi "brought up" the film and Obama "said he understood the ire felt by Muslims." If Obama had said "no" to Morsi's outrageous demand, surely that would have made it into a Times account designed to convey his firm leadership.

"Scholars say the furor [in Cairo] reflects different traditions when it comes to religious rights and freedoms," the Times piece asserts. "Where Americans prize individual choice, Egyptians put a greater emphasis on the rights of communities, families and religious groups."

That's a laughably anodyne way of describing the distinction between freedom and Islamic supremacism, but one begins to suspect that the administration shares the Times's mindset: We have our values, they have theirs, and surely everyone can find common ground in deploring this awful video.

But even accepting that formulation, Americans are entitled to ask why our government has failed to take a clear stand on behalf of our values and our basic law. Perhaps the thinking is that a meliorative tone will have a meliorative effect. That certainly seems to have been the impulse behind the U.S. Embassy's initial statement, now down the memory hole but quoted here Wednesday, sympathizing with the mob that later stormed the grounds. Although the administration has disavowed that particular statement, every public pronouncement from the White House and State Department, including Carney's today, has been in the same spirit.

To our ear, it sounds pusillanimous rather than prudent. The "Arab street" seems to be hearing it the same way. Reuters reports that in Cairo, "hundreds of protesters gathered in streets near the mission, pelting police with stones and petrol bombs as they were pushed back from the embassy perimeter. . . . Thousands of people joined peaceful protests after Friday prayers in Tahrir and outside mosques in Cairo and other cities, responding to a call by the Muslim Brotherhood, the group that propelled President Mohamed Mursi [same guy, different transliteration] to power." That was the day after Obama supposedly dressed Morsi down.

The Times website reports that "the violently anti-American rallies"--no, no, no, no, no, they're only about the movie!--"expanded on Friday to more than a dozen countries, with demonstrators storming the American Embassy in Tunisia in a deadly clash and protesters in Sudan's capital broadening the targets to include Germany and Britain." In Yemen, they broke into the U.S. Embassy yesterday; in Lebanon they torched a KFC. Apparently there are no Chick-fil-As in that part of the world.

...

Our colleague Anne Jolis phoned Anjem Choudary, who organized the London protest, and he makes quite clear that Carney has it wrong: "In Islam, you could ban it," he tells her, referring to the film. "How come Americans can't? They still proclaim 'freedom of expression'--but if Americans can believe in freedom of expression, which involves harming other people, insulting their prophets, then what's wrong with Muslims having freedom of action, doing what they did in Libya and Egypt?"

The Obama administration's response to the crisis has been not only fatuous but confused. The other day, as ABC News reports, a Telemundo reporter asked the president if he considers Egypt an ally. His reply: "You know, I don't think that we would consider them an ally but we don't consider them an enemy." In fact, since 1989 Egypt (along with Australia, Israel, Japan and South Korea, and later other countries) has been formally classified as a "major non-NATO ally."

The Times describes this as the president's having "signaled his displeasure" with the Egyptian government's lack of support. It sounds to us more like the careless musing of someone who is not a seasoned foreign-policy hand.
Remember these are the people who despise Ron Paul (even if they claim to agree on everything else) because he "blamed America for 9/11" when he said "you fuck with people, they might fuck with you back."

*I admit, I'm only reading the ones who meet certain standards, but I did a casual glance at RedState, etc. and there's a lot of the "OBAMA DIDN'T DEFEND FIRST AMENDMENT!" stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 05:55:06 AM
Actually, I wanted to ask you guys a honest question about your Stalinist Year Zero views.

What kind of columnists/people/blogs/etc. do you go to?

I know all the Ezra Klein, Yglasias, Krugman, disingenuous types.

I'm talking about someone like Glenn Greenwald who despite the sockpuppets actually believes in something other than forever supporting The Party.

I honestly don't know any good "left" writers who aren't just Democratic Party mouthpieces anymore. Was hoping you guys knew some.

EDIT: As an example, I loved reading Hitchens, even though I rarely agreed with him. Especially in his late days when he loved Bush and wanted war, his prose was gosh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 06:16:42 AM
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Krugman, disingenuous types

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 06:18:45 AM
Did you forget I'm a libertarian?

Plus I hate how his wife writes.

But really I was trying to cast off those kind of popular newspaper columnists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
Well you could be more clear on what you're looking for.

Good prose?  Outsider posturing to give the feel of authenticity?  Someone with unexpected takes on the issues rather than the same folks making obvious points?  A "liberal" who will make libertarian critiques from a nominally different perspective to make you feel less intellectually cloistered (like why I've bookmarked Daniel Larison)?  Someone who stays consistent and honest (like, y'know, KRUGMAN)?  Just someone who you probably haven't read before?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 06:36:13 AM
Let me first point out just because I have to that I don't consider Krugman to be either consistent or honest anymore.

But I mentioned Greenwald who I think is basically honest.

I certainly don't need any kind of intellectual protection, but I was wondering if there was something better, more honest, something that existed outside of lockstep marching with the team than an Ezra Klein. I figured you guys were smart progressives and could point me to something like this. Especially if it did challenge.

I like Mickey Kaus, NOT when he agrees with the Republicans (say immigration, where he's close to a bigot) but when he challenges his own party to make the welfare state work better. I love that. He wants Medicare for all because it's what he thinks works best.

Good prose is always a positive.

If you're reading Klein and Yglesias and Krugman's Democratic drivel, I don't give a shit, but if you've got something good, I'd love to read it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 06:43:36 AM
Well, sounds like you're using "honesty" to mean "strongly worded criticism of their party," so... maybe Zell Miller's got a twitter account?

Someone asking for good stuff like Mickey Kaus is like someone wanting you to recommend them rockin' music like Bon Jovi.  It takes all kinds, but I'm not sure I can get in the mindset to make accurate recommendations, and even if I could I might not want to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 06:52:26 AM
I really don't get why you're getting so defensive over this. All I asked for was some "left" writers who would properly represent the position of my favorite posters here on The Bore.

I mentioned that I liked Greenwald and Kaus who are not afraid to criticize their party in pursuit of ideological goals AS AN EXAMPLE of people who do such.

I also was honest about how I don't consider Klein or Yglasias to be honest and how I certainly don't think Krugman in his current role bothers to be (and suggested I think his wife "helps" him on his columns which was a massive tunnel you could have drove a tank through but didn't) while I said nothing about his academic work which IS solid and yet has nothing to do with the drivel (AS AN ADMITTED LIBERTARIAN) he puts out constantly.

I read people like Taranto (quoted above) who I DO NOT agree with but enjoy their writing or logical offerings or what have you.

All I wanted was the "left" version of this. I qualified the writers I already know I mostly dismissed because I have read them for years.

I like Kaus writing, I disagree with 75% of what he writes. But I like how goes about. Find me a socialist scumbag like him is all I'm asking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 07:04:36 AM
Actually, let me put it this way Mandark, I don't trust what Klein, Yglasias and Krugman write in their official positions because of their past. I'd be glad to trust them again. But if there are better "left" (or whatever) sources I'd easily believe them over people I know have lied and who I expect to lie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 07:13:43 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 06:52:26 AM
I also was honest

This is one of those improper adjectives, isn't it?  "I was honest.  You were defensive.  He was insulting."

Just read what I posted again, only this time do me a personal favor and act like I mean it (Zell Miller line notwithstanding).  I've read too much of both Greenwald and Kaus to take anything on their word (outside of Greenwald's bailiwick of US torture/detention policy).  So when someone rates them highly my recommendation algorithms just can't get a handle on it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 07:22:46 AM
Look, I offered up that I don't consider the Klein/Klugman types to be what I'm looking for. And yes, I don't believe them to be honest, etc. That should be expected.

If someone wants to offer them in their list of good reads, I won't mind.

All I was looking for here is that we have some good progressives, they should know good sites to read, I tried to help by filtering out the "types" I don't care for, if they don't agree, I can't help that.

I don't care about Zell Miller who had nothing to lose. Mickey Kaus and Glenn Greenwald have been holding their ideological positions for a while. I used them as an example of people who will stick to principles and not just roll over if a Democrat exists. You can find endless Republicans, hell, people think I am one.

All I wanted to know was who is The Bore reading on the "left" or really just whatever. I specified that I preferred people who held to principles or such rather than just saying VOTE DEM 24/7 because those are rational people, but if those people can't be found, no skin off my back.

I like reading shit like Kaus and Greenwald because they do challenge me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 07:26:16 AM
I apologize if I have come off too aggressive in this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 07:58:53 AM
No worries.  Figured I was answering the question in the tone it was asked.

Greenwald's not honest, at least not exceptionally.  When he talks about something outside of his area of expertise he basically picks a position which gels his intuitions, acts really sure of himself, and on the times where he gets called out for overreaching or getting something wrong, writes half a dozen boldface updates rather than admit fallibility or just shut up and retcon the whole incident.  He's got a large, vocally supportive following and a paid gig from doing this.  I think the tribal-social aspect of trying to fit in and reinforce the group identities and narratives applies to him as much as it would to a climber like Klein.  It's maybe a smaller group, and appealing to libertarians as a fellow-traveler outsider, but it's still very much there.

My advice to anyone who's already politically "high-information" is to find specialists if you're interested in a topic.  You've probably run through all the usual arguments about abortion, hawk/dovishness, the welfare state, progressive taxation, blah blah blah.  At a certain point the discourse is so repetitive that you don't need to check the back of the textbook for the solutions anymore.  You've stopped learning (or acquiring new talking-points, depending on who's the one with the false consciousness).

But there are a lot of places where you can dig down into particular issues, if you find the people who dedicate themselves to tracking and explaining those issues.  That's why I'll still read Greenwald on torture: when it comes to healthcare he's just a smarter-than-average DU poster, but on detention policies he's got the knowledge and understanding to tell the reader what a new development means, what the historical context is, and what not to be fooled by.  This is basically the principle that got Nate Silver e-famous.

So what blogs like that have I been reading?  Fuckin' none of them!  The last time I was not-depressed enough to want to dive into something, I was reading Arms Control Wonk and Total WonKerr about Iran's (lack of) nukes.  I got Trita Parsi's books on US-Iran relations this year, but those cost money and are written in the dry prose that comes with academic standards of honesty and hedging.  Basically I'm pretty much done with the idea of the all-purpose public intellectual.

You could check out Erik Loomis at Lawyers, Guns, and Money.  He's certainly more leftist than Dem, but it's hard for me to read long posts of inside-baseball about the tatters of the radical labor movement and not see it as navel-gazing at a certain point.  Wish Max Sawicky was still blogging.  He woulda been right in this wheelhouse and was a good Takoma Park boy too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 08:20:00 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 07:58:53 AM
Greenwald's not honest, at least not exceptionally.  When he talks about something outside of his area of expertise he basically picks a position which gels his intuitions, acts really sure of himself, and on the times where he gets called out for overreaching or getting something wrong, writes half a dozen boldface updates rather than admit fallibility or just shut up and retcon the whole incident.  He's got a large, vocally supportive following and a paid gig from doing this.  I think the tribal-social aspect of trying to fit in and reinforce the group identities and narratives applies to him as much as it would to a climber like Klein.  It's maybe a smaller group, and appealing to libertarians as a fellow-traveler outsider, but it's still very much there.
I don't disagree with any of this really, and yes I admit he does play to my biases in some respects, but I think in regards to some...others...he at least has an ideological mission and even if that leads him astray it makes him more "honest" than an Ezra Klein.

No real disagreement with your next two points so I'll cut them.
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So what blogs like that have I been reading?  Fuckin' none of them!  The last time I was not-depressed enough to want to dive into something, I was reading Arms Control Wonk and Total WonKerr about Iran's (lack of) nukes.  I got Trita Parsi's books on US-Iran relations this year, but those cost money and are written in the dry prose that comes with academic standards of honesty and hedging.  Basically I'm pretty much done with the idea of the all-purpose public intellectual.

You could check out Erik Loomis at Lawyers, Guns, and Money.  He's certainly more leftist than Dem, but it's hard for me to read long posts of inside-baseball about the tatters of the radical labor movement and not see it as navel-gazing at a certain point.  Wish Max Sawicky was still blogging.  He woulda been right in this wheelhouse and was a good Takoma Park boy too.
This last part is mostly what I was looking for (but former as well). I mean I can scope out everything from MY point of view, but you guys are somewhat reversed from me and I want to know where DO you go to get stuff. And I fumbled trying to say I don't want Klein, Krugman, Kos, some other K, etc. (I used strong words but I stand by it and I really don't think they're writing for anything, as mentioned I think Krugman is writing a political column but trying to play on his long lost economic trade.)

Because I can hit up most of the general sources that get posted here, GAF, etc. in terms of "left" politics but I was wondering if you had anything that wasn't mainstreamed anymore.

I probably just worded my original request wrongly. For example I like Reason, but a lot of the writers there aren't great, it's just the overall coverage and now someone like Balko is at HuffPo, etc.  so I follow them there. Volokh is a good site but I follow links off there.

When I was saying I "honestly don't know" about stuff regarding the "left" I feel like I don't. But everyone I know outside of here sends me to all the same sites (DU, Kos, TPM, etc.). And I get all the arguments I read here and elsewhere, but I wonder if I'm missing better works rather than the summaries. (Since we in the libertarian camp have the same thing.)

I guess mentioning Balko makes me think of a better way to put it.

Reason and Balko's coverage are some of the few places out there you can really get coverage of SWAT/police being dicks and it's not all "BUT THEY WUZ DRUG CRIMNALS" and I guess I was wondering if there's some kind of "left" version of this kind of reporting. On anything, even if it's the capitalists.

I don't really give a shit about Obama/Romney. The least I was looking for is some kind of "left" version of Reason or something.

I probably should have spent more time on my original post.

EDIT: I don't mind reading real hardcore leftism and crap, full out communism. I'm a goddamn voluntaryist after all. It's just the "left" sites are all kind of disgusting MUST LOVE DEMOCRATS type.

Maybe I'm deluded by being in the libertarian family where it's a constant WE MUST SUPPORT GOP vs. NO NO SPLIT OFF debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 08:48:39 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on September 15, 2012, 08:45:08 AM
I want to rip into libertarianism so hard right now, and yet I really like your sports analysis, benji, so I can't.  :(
That's odd because me and Mandark's conversation isn't actually regarding libertarianism or any ideology really. It was mostly just a mild misunderstanding.

And in any manner I was asking the "left" to offer some good writers and such. Entirely a white flag situation.

Though your post does remind me that I forgot about an older thread.

Oh, and the stats will exist regardless of your denial of the perfection that is voluntaryism.  ;)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 09:00:07 AM
I'd say liberal activists are more analogous to movement conservatives than to libertarians, in re their relation to the party.  Liberals are the main ideological faction, but have to caucus and contend with a bunch of non-ideological interests.  Libertarians in the GOP are an odd fit in some ways.  Whereas Ron Paul would say stuff that clearly flummoxed Republican audiences in the debates, Dennis Kucinich just came across as a Democrat turned up to 11, who didn't need to worry about trying to win.

In that vein, most Democrats who talk about defecting use the language of whether Obama's "really" a liberal (Matt Stoller's like three editorials away from just chanting "Gooble gobble, one of us!"), the way Freepers would talk about who's a real conservative and who's a RINO.  So it's just the eternal tug of war between a party's ideological base (or any influential but non-majority faction within the party) and the opportunistic demands of the median voter theorem and fundraising demands.

On my less patient days, I have very uncharitable thoughts about Stoller-style nonvoters.  It mostly comes from having known several Nader voters, who were all crowing about beating Al Gore until the troops landed in Iraq, at which point it became a torrent of shameless retconning. 

Daniel Davies is also a really great read, with a good writing style who makes contrarian cases for a lot of things and is clever enough to do it well.  Back in the day he used to blog at his own site, dsquareddigest, at the Guardian's Comment is Free, at Crooked Timber, and at Aaronovitch Watch (very inside-baseball, covering and mocking the Decent Left, the UK's post-9/11 liberal hawks).  Don't know if he's active on any of those these days.  Edge of the American West is cool as an American history blog from a liberal perspective with experts on Lincoln and FDR, which suddenly became relevant when it looked like we were about to have another Great Depression.

There are a ton of environmental, union, education, transit and feminist blogs that cover related issues and keep tabs on local and state level activism and legislation, besides the big federal brouhahas, but you're not going to get a lot of stuff making the case for those causes so much as the nitty gritty of small victories and defeats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 09:19:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 09:00:07 AM
I'd say liberal activists are more analogous to movement conservatives than to libertarians, in re their relation to the party.  Liberals are the main ideological faction, but have to caucus and contend with a bunch of non-ideological interests.  Libertarians in the GOP are an odd fit in some ways.  Whereas Ron Paul would say stuff that clearly flummoxed Republican audiences in the debates, Dennis Kucinich just came across as a Democrat turned up to 11, who didn't need to worry about trying to win.
I know what you mean by "liberals" (we're a bit bitter about that) but I may have to stop you on the "non-ideological interests" part. (And I have a good feeling you agree on that.)

Ron Paul recently got shut out of the GOP convention (despite the rules) and was demanded to endorse and support Romney. So that was fun.

Those of us who have actual principles don't have long-term friends in either party.
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In that vein, most Democrats who talk about defecting use the language of whether Obama's "really" a liberal (Matt Stoller's like three editorials away from just chanting "Gooble gobble, one of us!"), the way Freepers would talk about who's a real conservative and who's a RINO.  So it's just the eternal tug of war between a party's ideological base (or any influential but non-majority faction within the party) and the opportunistic demands of the median voter theorem and fundraising demands.
Democrats are just getting on board with Republicans of the last 40 years.

Doubt they abandon.
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On my less patient days, I have very uncharitable thoughts about Stoller-style nonvoters.  It mostly comes from having known several Nader voters, who were all crowing about beating Al Gore until the troops landed in Iraq, at which point it became a torrent of shameless retconning.
Don't worry, their single vote didn't matter.

Gore should have challenged the entire state rather than trying to steal it. ;)
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Daniel Davies is also a really great read, with a good writing style who makes contrarian cases for a lot of things and is clever enough to do it well.  Back in the day he used to blog at his own site, dsquareddigest, at the Guardian's Comment is Free, at Crooked Timber, and at Aaronovitch Watch (very inside-baseball, covering and mocking the Decent Left, the UK's post-9/11 liberal hawks).  Don't know if he's active on any of those these days.  Edge of the American West is cool as an American history blog from a liberal perspective with experts on Lincoln and FDR, which suddenly became relevant when it looked like we were about to have another Great Depression.
Cheers, I liked Crooked Timber.

Am curious what a "liberal perspective" on Lincoln is...
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There are a ton of environmental, union, education, transit and feminist blogs that cover related issues and keep tabs on local and state level activism and legislation, besides the big federal brouhahas, but you're not going to get a lot of stuff making the case for those causes so much as the nitty gritty of small victories and defeats.
There is value there, smallest stage, biggest performance type thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2012, 09:27:27 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 05:55:06 AM


What kind of columnists/people/blogs/etc. do you go to?


I've recently fallen in love with  Jacobin

http://jacobinmag.com/

and I've been a day 1 supporter of The New Inquiry

http://thenewinquiry.com/

edit: I seem to have misunderstood that for which you were looking.  my mistake.  I do read Ezra et al but I don't really take it all seriously.  A bit too "horse racey" for my tastes.  I do love the above magazines though.

oh, ha ha, I also read The Exiled.  It's something else.  http://exiledonline.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2012, 09:30:03 AM
Thanks, Eric, will check them out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 09:43:56 AM
Phil Nugent does nice political essays on a personal level on his blog, when he bothers with that (he's got a gig at the AV Club now).  Be prepared for three typos a piece, though.  If you want some fun factional squabbling, the big fight is between education "reformers" and union supporters, which you can find all over.

And yeah, I'd say non-ideological for the most part.  At least not ideological the way progressives, evangelicals, or libertarians are: groups of people who want to rearrange society based on some core principles/beliefs/delusions.  The dreaded special interests, the inertia of public opinion (don't cut any social programs but don't start any either!), the momentum of the state and its institutions, etc.  Evan Bayh wasn't holding up student loan changes cause of some deeply held values; he was just protecting the rentiers in his state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 15, 2012, 10:47:43 AM
I also used to read Bleeding Heart Libertarians but it seemed to go for shock value rather than real value.  It tries to position itself as finding the common ground behind leftist and libertarian thought but it would do things like this

http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/11/dear-left-corporatism-is-your-fault/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 15, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
These days I primarily browse through Calculated Risk, Right Wing Watch, and Nate Silver's 538 NY Times blog.

I can't take Ezra Klein seriously because I remember chatting with him at length about the Game Cube over AIM.  I'm glad he is successful though in what he is doing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2012, 11:39:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44v37XmWCXs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-wTttYxEpw

 :dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 15, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
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I can't take Ezra Klein seriously because I remember chatting with him at length about the Game Cube over AIM.  I'm glad he is successful though in what he is doing.

WHAT

that's fucking amazing  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2012, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: Eric P on September 15, 2012, 10:47:43 AM
I also used to read Bleeding Heart Libertarians but it seemed to go for shock value rather than real value.  It tries to position itself as finding the common ground behind leftist and libertarian thought but it would do things like this

http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/2011/11/dear-left-corporatism-is-your-fault/
I gave those guys a chance but there was always something off about them, I forget when it was, but something about them really just rubbed me the wrong way. It was basically as if they wrote a column saying the problem with Hitler was that he singled people out instead of just doing it willy nilly.

The bulk of their premise was off from the start.

I'm kinda on board with parts of  that post though.  :-*
Quote from: The Experiment on September 15, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
These days I primarily browse through Calculated Risk, Right Wing Watch, and Nate Silver's 538 NY Times blog.

I can't take Ezra Klein seriously because I remember chatting with him at length about the Game Cube over AIM.  I'm glad he is successful though in what he is doing.
Nate is good but that's not really policy, just horse race stuff which I don't mind.

What did Klein think about the GameCube? COME ON MAN!
Quote from: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 09:43:56 AM
If you want some fun factional squabbling, the big fight is between education "reformers" and union supporters, which you can find all over.
I can walk out the door basically and find this.

That is an interesting thing though and might help, what "left" types are discussing the whole pension/municipal/etc. budget clusterfucks?

I would love to read places other than Reason and Balko that are exploring how the cops were given insane pensions, and then fuck people up with no consequence and now everyone in the state has to pay for their retirement at age 45. I would LOOVVVVEEEE to find out what the "left"/Democrats are saying about this shit. But I find mostly silence or support.

Does anyone know why The Onion stopped In The Know?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2012, 01:04:19 PM
To get this thread off me and my dumb crap, this is apparently the most popular blog post in the country:
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/150781/

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WHY BARACK OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN. Just for the record, this is what it looked like for a man who made a film that made the Obama Administration uncomfortable:

(http://i.imgur.com/b31Ee.png)

Here’s the key bit: “Just after midnight Saturday morning, authorities descended on the Cerritos home of the man believed to be the filmmaker behind the anti-Muslim movie that has sparked protests and rioting in the Muslim world.”

When taking office, the President does not swear to create jobs. He does not swear to “grow the economy.” He does not swear to institute “fairness.” The only oath the President takes is this one:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

By sending — literally — brownshirted enforcers to engage in — literally — a midnight knock at the door of a man for the non-crime of embarrassing the President of the United States and his administration, President Obama violated that oath. You can try to pretty this up (It’s just about possible probation violations! Sure.), or make excuses or draw distinctions, but that’s what’s happened. It is a betrayal of his duties as President, and a disgrace.

He won’t resign, of course. First, the President has the appreciation of free speech that one would expect from a Chicago Machine politician, which is to say, none. Second, he’s not getting any pressure. Indeed, the very press that went crazy over Ari Fleischer’s misrepresented remarks seems far less interested in the actions of an administration that I repeat, literally sent brown-shirted enforcers to launch a midnight knock on a filmmaker’s door.

But Obama’s behavior — and that of his enablers in the press — has laid down a marker for those who are paying attention. By these actions he is, I repeat, unfit to hold office. I hope and expect that the voters will agree in November.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 16, 2012, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 15, 2012, 06:43:36 AM
Well, sounds like you're using "honesty" to mean "strongly worded criticism of their party," so... maybe Zell Miller's got a twitter account?

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2012, 01:24:43 PM
The President ordered someone arrested taken into custody for his own protection? My God, this is the END OF THE WORLD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 16, 2012, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 16, 2012, 12:57:25 PM


I would love to read places other than Reason and Balko that are exploring how the cops were given insane pensions, and then fuck people up with no consequence and now everyone in the state has to pay for their retirement at age 45.

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2012, 04:10:56 PM
I admit if police were held to the same standard as "civilians" I'd fight pretty much all battles elsewhere. Especially if the vicious war on drugs ended. But alas, this isn't that libertopia.

So they get to be on the list with all the other things I have no power to change and won't ever be able to change unless I convince someone on a message board by accident.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 16, 2012, 05:03:31 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 15, 2012, 11:25:47 AM
These days I primarily browse through Calculated Risk, Right Wing Watch, and Nate Silver's 538 NY Times blog.

I can't take Ezra Klein seriously because I remember chatting with him at length about the Game Cube over AIM.  I'm glad he is successful though in what he is doing.
Was he a Nintendo fanboy?

I have trouble taking him seriously because, even though he is older than me, he will somehow always seem like a kid.  It seems like he is good at synthesizing information about a topic but I have this (perhaps unfair) suspicion that he's not ready for much original serious thought.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2012, 05:06:21 PM
He has a bachelors in political science, why would you think he's ready for original serious thought?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 16, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 16, 2012, 05:06:21 PM
He has a bachelors in political science, why would you think he's ready for original serious thought?
It seemed possible because so many people think he is worth reading.  I've mostly ignored him after a few initial reactions where I thought "this guy is a fucking kid."  I'm just humble about my opinion of him because I've never bothered to give him much of a chance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 16, 2012, 06:25:53 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 15, 2012, 11:25:47 AM


I can't take Ezra Klein seriously because I remember chatting with him at length about the Game Cube over AIM.

Didn't you also say that you talked with him about PUA shit too?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 16, 2012, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 16, 2012, 06:25:53 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 15, 2012, 11:25:47 AM


I can't take Ezra Klein seriously because I remember chatting with him at length about the Game Cube over AIM.

Didn't you also say that you talked with him about PUA shit too?

Yeah, he was a pretty big fan of fast seduction 101.  I think I was bitching to him about how I couldn't get laid and he was telling me about all of the pussy he got with by using it.

To be fair, he was a dumb teenager at the time.  He kind of disappeared off the map for a while and then created a political blog with some other guy and the rest is history.  Still happy for him though and I'm curious if he will run for political office and whether that stuff will come up.

Edit: Yeah, he was a big Nintard.  He said he was "stoked" (I remembered him using that word) about the Game Cube and really wanted THPS3 on it, which is odd because I don't remember the GC version being superior.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 16, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
Mods, please change thread title to "Q&A with Benjipwns"


Actually seriously change the thread title
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 16, 2012, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 16, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
Mods, please change thread title to "Q&A with Benjipwns"


Actually seriously change the thread title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNIARQGIYA

Iie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2012, 10:58:11 PM
I like Juan Cole's blog/site, and Little Green Footballs. Haven't seen them mentioned much here recently.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 16, 2012, 11:24:35 PM
Juan Cole's blog was literally the first political blog I read.  In the early years of the Iraq war my daily visits were his site, Talking Points Memo (back then it was basically JMM's personal blog), Billmon, Maxspeak, and Brad DeLong's blog.

Because of Juan Cole I learned about the basics of Iraqi demography, and knew who Moqtada Al-Sadr, Ali Al-Sistani, etc. were way before most media outlets deemed them newsworthy.  Thanks to him, it all made a lot more sense and new developments never really surprised me.  From 2003-4 he was basically my internet hero.

Which goes back to what I said about finding specialists.  He was a billion times more informative than any of the mainstream pundits were at the time, including foreign policy "experts" with no region or country of focus who make their living as pundits or political advocates.  But he's not some supergenius polymath, and when he strays into subjects he doesn't know much about he can get caught saying some uninformed stuff. (http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2011/06/19/its-juan-awful/)



PS Can't speak for all leftists, but I'd hazard to guess their perspective on police and firefighter pensions is like libertarian opinions on poverty and racism: not really giving that much of a shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2012, 11:41:53 PM
When I first had the realization that Cole's blog helped me understand and call Iraq events better than TV pundits/print journalists, I was reminded of that Chappelle stand up bit where a Native American tells him the name of his tribe and Chappelle says "you're a hunter gatherer. I learned about you in social studies"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 16, 2012, 11:46:09 PM
Yeah, back in the day I remember a lot of op-eds about whether Iraq was really Vietnam, or really Germany.  Cole's blog was one of the few places where Iraq was treated like Iraq.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 17, 2012, 12:44:20 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 16, 2012, 10:38:18 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 16, 2012, 07:13:28 PM
Mods, please change thread title to "Q&A with Benjipwns"


Actually seriously change the thread title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNIARQGIYA

Iie.

Yes, I know the reference. Obama has not brought on a new era of American politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2012, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/crs-study-taxes-economic-growth.php?ref=fpa
There is no clear correlation between tax cuts for high earners and economic growth, according to a new study by Congress’ nonpartisan policy analyst.

“There is not conclusive evidence, however, to substantiate a clear relationship between the 65-year steady reduction in the top tax rates and economic growth,” concluded a report by the Congressional Research Service released Friday. “Analysis of such data suggests the reduction in the top tax rates have had little association with saving, investment, or productivity growth.”

Oh wow, I am TOTALLY SHOCKED.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 17, 2012, 02:13:05 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gretchen-carlson-tries-to-salvage-incredibly-awkward-interview-with-former-obama-supporter/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2012, 05:10:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UDCuv.jpg) (http://www.google.com/patents?id=aAuzAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=exalted&as_psra=1&as_psra=1#v=onepage&q=exalted&f=false)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2012, 05:29:15 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-video_n_1829455.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

I dunno if this is really a smoking gun or not; I mean, we all knew he was a racist asshole already, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 17, 2012, 05:37:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA

little lord mittens thinks 47% of america are lazy slugs who vote themselves sweet sweet largesse on the backs of hardworking bankers and estate scions.

(they KNOW this because it is exactly what they'd do if they were poor! it's the PROPER sociopath thing to do!)

edit: oops, beat by TREESONG.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
Just saw that on the Mother Jones site.

I expect conservatives to bring up the "clinging to religion and guns" quote from the 2008 campaign.  But Obama's quote, as condescending as it came out, was part of an argument why Democrats had to work for more opportunities and better quality of life for the very people who were voting against them, because economic insecurity was making them take shelter in culture wars.

Romney, on the other hand, is basically saying "not gonna vote for me?  fuck 'em.  buncha parasites anyways."  Pretty deplorable whether he believes it or is pandering, but not surprising.  That bit about people not paying income taxes has been a popular mainstream rightwing meme for a few years now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 17, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
i hope the obama campaign has their sound editors working furiously to make this into a commercial.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 05:43:34 PM
Also, that video falls into the category of Shit I Won't Post On My Own Facebook Wall Because It Would Immediately Get A Dozen Unironic Likes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 05:44:24 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on September 17, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
i hope the obama campaign has their sound editors working furiously to make this into a commercial.

I hope they use pictures of wounded veterans on disability as the background.  And grandmas in wheelchairs.

And puppies.  Puppies pay no income taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 17, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
i had to post it as a subitem under cover of another subject.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2012, 06:19:12 PM
Mitt Romney doesn't care about blah people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
Quote
"My dad, as you probably, know was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and, uh, had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this," Romney said. "But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. ... I mean I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino."

Putting aside the whole brown-folks-got-it-easy message, I'm amazed at Romney's inability to tell a joke.  Actually, it's more like he doesn't get the concept of what a joke is.  He combines the inhumanity of Data with the insufferableness of Wesley Crusher.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2012, 06:41:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
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"My dad, as you probably, know was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico ... and, uh, had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this," Romney said. "But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. ... I mean I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino."

Putting aside the whole brown-folks-got-it-easy message, I'm amazed at Romney's inability to tell a joke.  Actually, it's more like he doesn't get the concept of what a joke is.  He combines the inhumanity of Data with the insufferableness of Wesley Crusher.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2012, 06:43:55 PM
What's really funny is that I believe this is like 4 years and a day off from the dame day McCain "suspended" his campaign to save America from the financial crash.  Welp.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2012, 06:44:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL7ykQNlFs

Soledad-chan~ :uguu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
haha my mom has been saying for months that she can't wait until a video comes out of Romney talking about Obama/voters behind closed doors.

I'm guessing we'll get plenty of "BUBUBUBUBU GUNS N GOD REV WRIGHT BILL AYERS" this week
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 07:21:29 PM
Man, I hope they kept a copy of that Michelle Obama "whitey" video to release.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Oh my god, today is glorious. Romney is done.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MexicanMitt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 17, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 08:21:49 PM
https://twitter.com/MexicanMitt

Quote
Mexican Mitt Romneez
@MexicanMitt
El Fake Accounto! I am the Most Mexican Man in The World!© Follow me as I run for Presidente of the United Estates! I AM THE JUAN PERCENT! Ajua!

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 17, 2012, 08:55:06 PM
No problem.  This will blow over just in time to get his ass stomped in the first debate.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 17, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 17, 2012, 05:43:34 PM
Also, that video falls into the category of Shit I Won't Post On My Own Facebook Wall Because It Would Immediately Get A Dozen Unironic Likes.

I just created a facebook, I'm gonna test this out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 17, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
Fuck you, Mitt. Seriously. So glad to know that my financially responsible wife and I are fucking leaches sucking off the teet of hard working business owners.

 ::) ::)

This won't sink him, but good Lord I wish it would.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
Drudge and others on the right are hailing this as a good thing. There certainly are independent/regular voters who do feel their tax money is being wasted, and that moochers are benefiting, but I can't imagine calling HALF the country moochers is a good thing.

I want to hear Romney's response. I also want to hear Ann's response to hearing people can "grow tired of her" in large doses
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 17, 2012, 09:28:06 PM
Yeah, I'm really curious how he'll respond to this. There being a video of it makes it a lot harder for him to ignore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2012, 09:30:50 PM
His campaign responded to this by saying "something something economy and jobs".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 17, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
He'll probably respond the same way he responds to everything. Ignore it and try to deflect to criticizing Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
For whatever reason, even in the last few days of the 2008 election, I was much more nervous about the outcome.  I just don't find Mitt Romney as credible a candidate as a lunatic, bomb happy disabled tortured war veteran, even saddled with a wide eyed lunatic grifter as his running mate like McCain was. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 17, 2012, 09:36:18 PM
Just ate some food :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 17, 2012, 09:37:39 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 17, 2012, 09:33:47 PM
For whatever reason, even in the last few days of the 2008 election, I was much more nervous about the outcome.  I just don't find Mitt Romney as credible a candidate as a lunatic, bomb happy disabled tortured war veteran, even saddled with a wide eyed lunatic grifter as his running mate like McCain was.

That is because Romney is toast, even before this latest goof.

He has to deal with this fuck up and then he has three debates.  I doubt Romney is a total fuckup here but this is one of Obama's strengths.  Then there's just two weeks left to try to spin his way out of the foreign policy debate.  It just can't be done.  At this point, everyone is already desensitized to Obama being called a secret muslin and born in one of them there darkie countries.  Maybe they can bring up Bill Ayers again?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 17, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
Okay, one question for Mitt Romney.

Mitt, how in God's name can you go on for hours and hours on end about how America is the greatest country the world has ever seen, if you believe that fully 47% of its population are nothing but lazy, entitled fucks?

Like, seriously? 

The only way it is even possible is if he believes that in every other country on the planet, at least 48% of their populations consist of lazy, entitled fucks.


America:  Greatest Country Ever!!!*

*(But only 53% of you are even worth a damn)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 17, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Or how about accusing Obama for lying in saying that Romney's tax plan will raise taxes on the middle class, then saying that 47% of the country pays too little in taxes?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 17, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 17, 2012, 09:15:18 PM
Fuck you, Mitt. Seriously. So glad to know that my financially responsible wife and I are fucking leaches sucking off the teet of hard working business owners.



Of course you're a leech, you're a public employee. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2012, 09:49:20 PM
It really felt like Romney's last chance [barring the total collapse of the European economy], was to make a huge splash at the GOP convention and start gaining ground on Obama then eventually pass him. Instead, the Democratic convention was huge for Obama and has so far helped him to pull away. Everything since then [Romney's Egypt/Libya gaff, this latest episode] are just icing on the cake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 17, 2012, 09:50:13 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2012, 09:49:20 PM
It really felt like Romney's last chance [barring the total collapse of the European economy], was to make a huge splash at the GOP convention and start gaining ground on Obama then eventually pass him. Instead, the Democratic convention was huge for Obama and has so far helped him to pull away. Everything since then [Romney's Egypt/Libya gaff, this latest episode] are just icing on the cake.

You want cake? With icing? Better get a job :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2012, 09:52:28 PM
We should be talking about what Romney said about Chinese factories just as much, really:

Quote from: Mittens
When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married. And they work in these huge factories, they made various small appliances. And as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10 rooms. And the rooms, they had 12 girls per room, three bunk beds on top of each other. You’ve seen, you’ve seen them? And around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And we said gosh, I can’t believe that you, you know, keep these girls in. And they said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in. Because people want so badly to work in this factory that we have to keep them out.

This, coupled with the other quote, give a pretty good picture of how Mittens feels about the "average worker."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 10:12:00 PM
He just gave a press conference and doubled down. I can't believe this

Quote
Romney says his argument wasn't "elegantly stated" but suggests he stands by the jist of his message in the video
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/247879716554551296
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 17, 2012, 10:29:20 PM
i expect the right-wing machine to spin up OBAMA LOVES MUSLIMS BECAUSE HE ARRESTED BRAVE MOVIE DIRECTOR AND SILENCED FREE SPEECH, HOW COME OBAMA IS OKAY WITH GOOD AMERICAN CHRISTIANS BEING MOCKED BUT NOT EVIL FOREIGN MUSLIMS???? IS IT BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM BLAH BLAH ARAB SPRING IS COVER FOR HIS ANTI-ISRAEL POLICIES <voice tries to shush speaker, reminds him that the neocon blather is for AFTER the election>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2012, 10:34:46 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 10:12:00 PM
He just gave a press conference and doubled down. I can't believe this

Quote
Romney says his argument wasn't "elegantly stated" but suggests he stands by the jist of his message in the video
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/247879716554551296

He doubled down? So we're up to 94%, then?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
video of the presser soon

The funniest thing about this? It was leaked to David Corn by...Jimmy Carter's grandson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 17, 2012, 10:38:41 PM
the video is amazing

he looks like he shit himself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2012, 10:43:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
video of the presser soon

The funniest thing about this? It was leaked to David Corn by...Jimmy Carter's grandson.

CARTER'S REVENGE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2012, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
video of the presser soon

The funniest thing about this? It was leaked to David Corn by...Jimmy Carter's grandson.

Oh shit, confirmed?  Hope he enjoys his 15 pieces of silver.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 17, 2012, 10:46:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kazR9.jpg)

"I did good!"

none of this stuff matters in terms of voter turnout, but it's amusing nonetheless. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 17, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwptutZ4jPA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
Keep fucking that chicken, Mittens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 11:00:41 PM
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll154/rmc21586/2lmGN.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2012, 11:03:39 PM
That man has the eyes of a man who knows he will never be President.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 17, 2012, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2012, 11:03:39 PM
That man has the eyes of a man who knows he will never be President.

(http://i.imgur.com/UB2Hv.png)
"I've made a huge mistake"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3CqzWHCAAEB0pV.jpg)

yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 17, 2012, 11:13:23 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on September 17, 2012, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2012, 11:03:39 PM
That man has the eyes of a man who knows he will never be President.

(http://i.imgur.com/UB2Hv.png)
"I've made a huge mistake"

He seriously looks like he shit himself, and the shit is still in his underwear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
Never become president, or never should have ate that mexican burrito this afternoon? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 11:26:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N3mbb.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/2wfomqe.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 17, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
 :heartbeat :rofl :heart :rofl :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Is that by Obama's campaign? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 11:46:01 PM
Yup. The Chicago campaign office must be having a blast right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 17, 2012, 11:46:33 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 17, 2012, 11:47:49 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1a6vmhr5d1qb80rt.jpg)

"If the moon were made of ribs, would you eat it?  Only if ya have a job!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 17, 2012, 11:48:25 PM
what's that fox football gif from PD?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2012, 11:51:59 PM
"Romney doubles-down on double-downing, creates vortex that swallows the entire Eastern Seaboard."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 12:21:56 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 17, 2012, 11:48:25 PM
what's that fox football gif from PD?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_RxjRWoGds
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img853/191/wowpn.png)
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2012, 12:42:43 AM
Honestly, Obama has to be the luckiest motherfucker ever in politics.  His 2004 Senate opponent turns out to be a swinger, which is a no-no for Republicans, so Alan Keyes gets offered up as a sacrifice.  Then in 2008, he has to beat Hillary, but she shits the bed early and can't beat his groundgame.  That's his biggest test.  Then, McCain makes every possible wrong move- picks a lunatic snow bunny grifter as his running mate, suspends his campaign, etc.  Now, he gets Romney.  And Romney has done just about everything he can to fuck up his chances short of getting caught with a hooker or dumping a dismembered child corpse in a dumpster or whatever.  Really amazing, to be honest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2012, 12:51:51 AM
In all fairness, look at the shower of shit that was Romney's competition in the primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 01:10:02 AM
Quote
well the next installment I personally think is very important.
https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer

more bombs at 6AM.

Remember when Brietbart.com was hyping their Obama vetting series which would destroy Obama's campaign? Then they released a dud that had already seen. Whoops
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 18, 2012, 02:06:59 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 01:10:02 AM
Quote
well the next installment I personally think is very important.
https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer

more bombs at 6AM.

Remember when Brietbart.com was hyping their Obama vetting series which would destroy Obama's campaign? Then they released a dud that had already seen. Whoops

I was just about to go to bed :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 18, 2012, 03:05:44 AM
Even the way Obama acquired his seat in the Illinois Senate was pretty lucky. 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 18, 2012, 03:31:39 AM
I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the amount of lols we're getting from Romney, considering he was supposed to be the "competent" one.

Though I still would have preferred Bachmann, Santorum, Newt, hell ANYONE else from the primary for comedy alone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 03:38:53 AM
finally got around to reading the Michael Lewis piece in Vanity Fair. I saw Glenn Greenwald complaining about it on twitter a week ago but didn't look into it; I'll get his two cents later. Anyway, I thought it was fascinating. It's quite a glowing piece which I suppose could raise suspicion (after all you don't spend 8 months with the president and then release a scathing piece on him) but what I find interesting is how much of it seems to reinforce what most people say about Obama and how he operates: pragmatic, thoughtful, and lonely.

One of the things that struck out most to me, especially in light of the Libya situation right now, was this. In this part it describes a US pilot who crash landed in Libya during the bombing last year, and how he happened to be discovered by anti-Qaddafi fighters; initially they thought he was American, then French before finally managing to confirm he was American

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On the drive to Benghazi, Bubaker sensed that Stark was both shocked and wary. At any rate, as much as Bubaker might have wanted to know more about why America was dropping bombs on Libya, Stark would not tell him. And so Bubaker put on some 80s music and changed the subject to something other than war. The first song that came on was Diana Ross and Lionel Richie singing “Endless Love.” “You know what,” said Bubaker. “This song reminds me of my second marriage.” They talked the rest of the way, says Bubaker, “and we didn’t mention anything of any military action.” He drove the “American pilot” back to the hotel and instructed the militia to surround the place. Even in Libya they understood the fickle nature of American public opinion. “I told them, ‘We have an American pilot here. If he gets caught or killed it’s the end of the mission. Make sure he is safe and sound.’” Bubaker then called his friend, the former staffer in the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, now removed to Washington, D.C.

It took a few hours for someone to come and fetch Stark. As he waited with Bubaker inside the hotel, word spread of this French pilot who had saved their lives. When they’d arrived at the hotel a man had handed Tyler Stark a rose, which the American found both strange and touching. Now women from across the city came with flowers to the front of the hotel. When Stark entered a room full of people they stood up and gave him a round of applause. “I’m not sure what I was expecting in Libya,” he says, “but I was not expecting a round of applause.”

Bubaker found doctors to treat Stark’s leg and one of the doctors had Skype on his iPod. Stark tried to call his base, but he couldn’t remember the country code for Britain, so he called the most useful phone number he could remember, his parents’.

At some point Bubaker turned to him and asked, “Do you know why you are in Libya?”

“I just have my orders,” said Stark.

“He didn’t know why he’d been sent,” says Bubaker. “So I showed him some video. Of kids being killed.”

2b tax dollars to save a million lives, no US casualties. I didn't support the intervention at the time but I can't deny the results were good. The right's anger over it is quite hilarious: to me, this is the definition of a conservative approach to a foreign policy mission.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 18, 2012, 04:35:52 AM
Scott Brown: I'm Going to Vote Against Raising Taxes by Voting to Raise Taxes (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/09/scott-brown-im-going-to-vote-against.html)

If the Dems can't win against shitheads like Brown, with the ammo they give them, they don't deserve to win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2012, 05:34:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2012, 11:13:13 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3CqzWHCAAEB0pV.jpg)

yup

This is his "Sorry kids, Rafalca broke her leg and we're gonna have to put her down" face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2012, 10:37:22 AM
The sad/funny part of this whole 47% business, is that there's a good chunk of that 47% that are Mitt Romney's biggest supporters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 18, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
Since Mitt pays a smaller % than I do, that makes him a moocher too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 18, 2012, 11:56:54 AM
Carter'd confirmed: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/james-carter-iv-helped-spread-secret-romney-video.html

THAT'S WHAT YOU GET
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 18, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majzpbMR0z1qzhkvho1_500.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 18, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
Like I said over at GAF, they left off part of the Olympic Peninsula on Washington state in that picture.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2012, 12:55:48 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 18, 2012, 12:49:26 PM
Like I said over at GAF, they left off part of the Olympic Peninsula on Washington state in that picture.

Already got cut off.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 18, 2012, 01:36:13 PM
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/50586e3cecad04c72c000010-616-429/mitt-romney-tax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2012, 01:43:17 PM
Yep. Romney insulted his own base.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 18, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
Quote
    Q: Does Mitt Romney's work at Bain Capital make you more or less likely to vote for him, or does it not make a difference?

    More likely: 21
    Less likely: 38
    No difference: 39

    Q: Do you think the Republicans are intentionally stalling efforts to jump-start the economy to insure that Barack Obama is not re-elected, or not?

    They are: 47
    They are not: 41
    Not sure: 11

    Q: Do you think the economy would be in better shape now if John McCain had been elected President in 2008, or not?

    It would be in better shape: 38
    It would not: 51
    Not sure: 11

That's among independents.  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 18, 2012, 03:06:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/aKG4v.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 03:15:57 PM
Ok Bams, it's time to not be found banging a white chick from now until November 6th. Seems like you have this in the bag bro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2012, 03:23:06 PM
I foresee Paul Ryan coincidentally doing most of his campaigning in Wisconsin.  Why yes, this appearance just happens to be in his district, which he is also running for reelection in.  Just in case.  You know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2012, 04:36:15 PM
Here's the whole video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUEHpc6JKw8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBj0joyCeag
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 18, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
The gift that keeps on giving.

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Mitt Romney was his May 17 Florida fundraiser — the subject of now-ubiquitous leaked video — how he could "duplicate" the 1980 hostage crisis scenario, credited with defeating Jimmy Carter.

In response, the presidential candidate said: "I mean, if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."

So what's left to be released?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 18, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 18, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
The gift that keeps on giving.

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Mitt Romney was his May 17 Florida fundraiser — the subject of now-ubiquitous leaked video — how he could "duplicate" the 1980 hostage crisis scenario, credited with defeating Jimmy Carter.

In response, the presidential candidate said: "I mean, if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."

So what's left to be released?

(http://i.imgur.com/o3ooQ.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 18, 2012, 06:45:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 18, 2012, 05:56:21 PM
The gift that keeps on giving.

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Mitt Romney was his May 17 Florida fundraiser — the subject of now-ubiquitous leaked video — how he could "duplicate" the 1980 hostage crisis scenario, credited with defeating Jimmy Carter.

In response, the presidential candidate said: "I mean, if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."

So what's left to be released?

His tax returns would be a nice cherry on top of everything
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
If Romney's tax returns got leaked somehow and they showed that there were years where he didn't pay any income tax, that would be the most amazing thing ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 18, 2012, 07:38:27 PM
At this point, even a European based crisis that causes a huge financial failure ala September 2008 probably wouldn't result in Romney sniffing a victory.

I don't think the 47% is a huge deal because even as he was talking shit about his own base, they will still defend him.  Considering how Republicans have been calling poor people lazy for 30+ years, these people still came out to vote for the GOP.  To these people, life may be shit but they trust that Republicans will do a better job on the guns n Jesus front.

By the time this thing plays out, there are the three debates and I suspect Romney's strategy is just to whine about Obama, which isn't working out now so how he is going to repackage the same failed strategy and expect to make it stick this time, I don't know.  Then you have Paul Ryan who is now running re-election ads so there's even more chinks in the armor.  I'm just wondering if Romney is going to go batshit insane or if he is just going to lie down and accept defeat after the foreign policy (which will be his weakest for sure) debate.

He's done.  Finished.  All Obama has to do is let Romney fuck up on his own and watch his campaign crumble.

Pretty boring campaign overall.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 18, 2012, 07:45:26 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
If Romney's tax returns got leaked somehow and they showed that there were years where he didn't pay any income tax, that would be the most amazing thing ever.

this is already true of the only year he released
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2012, 11:44:01 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/new_romney_ad_attacks_47_percent.php

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 19, 2012, 12:00:22 AM
Romney said "there are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" and then proceeded to call them lazy entitled slackers who don't pay taxes. The way he worded it wasn't a slam on the poor, it was a slam on people who vote Democrat. I'm surprised no one went there with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 19, 2012, 12:09:35 AM
What I've found amusing is that there's a large, completely bubble dwelling portion of the Republican power structure that thinks this is a winning argument.  Your Erick Ericksons, average Corner poster, and apparently Mary Matalin... I thought she was smarter but living in DC for 20 years will do that to you I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 19, 2012, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on September 19, 2012, 12:00:22 AM
Romney said "there are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what" and then proceeded to call them lazy entitled slackers who don't pay taxes. The way he worded it wasn't a slam on the poor, it was a slam on people who vote Democrat. I'm surprised no one went there with it.

It was sort of both.  47% don't pay taxes, that's about Obama's share in the polls, HEY, it's a one-to-one correlation!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 19, 2012, 12:17:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 19, 2012, 12:09:35 AM
What I've found amusing is that there's a large, completely bubble dwelling portion of the Republican power structure that thinks this is a winning argument.  Your Erick Ericksons, average Corner poster, and apparently Mary Matalin... I thought she was smarter but living in DC for 20 years will do that to you I guess.

Well, it's been a meme on rightwing sites for a while, and it wouldn't be unless a lot of conservatives bought into it.  Plus if you're a Romney surrogate it might make sense to double down.  It's going to be shoved into people's faces anyway, so you might as well try to push back for the last 6-7 weeks, and win some points with the people who find it plausible.

I think the standard/best thing to do for a campaign when you get caught like this is to say "of course I stand by my principles, and even though I might have phrased it poorly, I strongly believe that... [something much more palatable, tangentially related to what you really did say]."  Haven't read what Romney said post-leak, but it sounds like he might have gone for something like that.  Then throw in some random accusations towards your opponent, and boom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 19, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/DQFVnhYStXmQ86uktDepXg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9Mjg4MDtjcj0xO2N3PTM4NzI7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTQ2OTtxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/f7a889025dca881a1b0f6a7067004c20.jpg)
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RENO, Nev. (AP) — Mitt Romney's running mate is calling the Republican presidential nominee "obviously inarticulate" when he remarked that nearly half of Americans believe they are victims and entitled to a range of government support.

Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan made the comment in an interview aired Tuesday by KRNV-TV in Reno, Nev.

Romney has defended his remarks, but he has also called them "not elegantly stated."

Asked what he thought of Romney's remarks, Ryan told the Nevada station: "He was obviously inarticulate in making this point." Ryan went on to say the point the Republicans are making is that, under the Obama economy, government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up.

Asked if he thought Romney regrets the remarks, Ryan says he thinks Romney would have said it differently, adding, "that's for sure."

Friends like these...  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2012, 12:33:57 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 19, 2012, 12:09:35 AM
What I've found amusing is that there's a large, completely bubble dwelling portion of the Republican power structure that thinks this is a winning argument.  Your Erick Ericksons, average Corner poster, and apparently Mary Matalin... I thought she was smarter but living in DC for 20 years will do that to you I guess.

I don't think it's DC; so far most of the DC types (Noonan, Brooks, Scarborough, etc) have denounced the comments. The only people suggesting this is a winner are on the far right, like Erickson and Drudge. I must say I was surprised that Matalin seemed excited about this. That's not to say she is normally sane because she isn't, but she tends to recognize a loser when she sees it. Just a couple months ago she could barely defend Romney's campaign, it's hard to see what has changed to make anyone excited about his prospects.

I'd say most people don't like seeing their neighbors demeaned. The problem here isn't just about demeaning democrats, he literally said half the country is dependent on government, don't want to work, and they're all voting for Obama. I honestly think he might have been able to get away with saying 20% of the country is dependent, because that would have clear racial connotations and I doubt Obama wants to have a discussion about race (see: how potent the welfare ads have been for Romney.

But 47% of the country includes a whole lot of white people too. From soldiers who don't pay income taxes while deployed to old people to children of the working poor. I don't think common sense folks will take kindly to a presidential candidate literally saying "fuck half the country."

btw, the video has over 2 million views already
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 19, 2012, 09:10:36 AM
"And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
 - Mitt Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2012, 03:12:55 PM
Quote from: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/fast_and_furious_inspector_general_report.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
There is no evidence that Attorney General Eric Holder and high-ranking officials at the Justice Department knew that guns were allowed to “walk” during an ATF operation known as Fast and Furious, according to a report released on Wednesday afternoon by the department’s internal watchdog.

Following a 19-month investigation, the Inspector General found that the decision not to take action against low-level “straw purchasers” was made by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the Arizona U.S. Attorney’s office. Their decision, according to the report, “was primarily the result of tactical and strategic decisions by the agents and prosecutors, rather than because of any legal limitation on their ability to do so.” Dennis Burke, the head of the U.S. Attorney’s office at the time, resigned from his position in August 2011.

What a shocker.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 19, 2012, 03:57:55 PM
dat manufactured outrage

I wonder what the October Surprise is going to be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 19, 2012, 04:05:10 PM
a full-on Kitsune-style meltdown by Romney in front of a national audience.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2012, 04:08:17 PM
At this point Romney should just release a rap video flaunting his wealth, preferably titled All Polo Everything. It's his only chance at splitting the young, black, and Hispanic votes enough to win
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2012, 04:25:26 PM
Evilbore should do some of the work for him. I think we could write the song.

I like medicare cuts and I cannot lie
you Koch brothers can't deny
when a girl walks in with 5 or 6 kids
and food stamps in her hand
you get pissed
wanna cut her benefits
cause you notice those kids are stuffed
are those name brand jeans she's wearing?
she's unemployed and not even caring
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2012, 04:26:10 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2012, 04:28:21 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 19, 2012, 04:31:18 PM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 19, 2012, 04:39:20 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Robo on September 19, 2012, 04:44:22 PM
icon Joe immediately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2012, 04:51:47 PM
I'm tired of magazines
sayin' my tax cuts are obscene
take the top 1% and ask them that
they wanna get Bush back
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 19, 2012, 04:52:57 PM
Joe, are you single?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 19, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 19, 2012, 05:30:25 PM
So if you're sick of our AAA goin' down
dial 1 800 Mitt a Lot
and kick them wholesome thoughts
let's get Bush Back
Jeb in 2016 y'all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 19, 2012, 05:31:49 PM
36-24-36?
What kind of marginal tax rates are those?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2012, 05:37:50 PM
Thinking of my retirement plan
It's not a sweat when I buy land
So I dig into your pockets, oh your money is spent?
Let me leverage some debt and add to my investments

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 19, 2012, 05:58:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=140S4LkQxxA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
So your girlfriend drives a Prius
watching Fox News interview Priebus
but Priebus ain't got bank accounts in Mauritius
my tax accountants' work's not done
until my tax rate's none

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 19, 2012, 06:02:14 PM
Mitty's not taxed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 19, 2012, 07:37:12 PM
Forum needs a like button.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 19, 2012, 10:54:21 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 19, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
So your girlfriend drives a Prius
watching Fox News interview Priebus
but Priebus ain't got bank accounts in Mauritius
my tax accountants' work's not done
until my tax rate's none

It's been a long time since I laughed out loud at something on the internet.  Good work
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 20, 2012, 12:06:13 AM
Mitt Romney can be seen here doubling down on his 47% rheotoric.  WHOOOOOO!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DIjKEAnXQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2012, 12:38:53 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHRDCHr6yJk

There are millions of people in the country of all races who have similar stories.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 20, 2012, 04:59:45 AM
jesus christ.  this page is amazing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beezy on September 20, 2012, 05:55:21 AM
 :o

:bow Joe :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 20, 2012, 07:42:15 AM
Lmfao
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 20, 2012, 09:16:45 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/senate-forecast-what-has-gone-wrong-for-g-o-p-candidates/#more-34765

*masturbates furiously*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 20, 2012, 09:29:27 AM
todd akin is still doing pretty good in my state :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 20, 2012, 09:46:22 AM
Matt Yglesias pointed out this pounce on this 14 year old Obama video about redistribution is the same attack that propelled Joe the Plumber to fame in 2008. Look how well that worked out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 20, 2012, 09:49:54 AM
https://twitter.com/christrobbins/status/248780833220091904
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
Black Guy, Fat Guy, Old Guy. Ethnic diversity!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 20, 2012, 10:11:18 AM
I've never seen something more inviting of a molotov cocktail.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 20, 2012, 01:54:23 PM
At this point, I've stopped worrying about this election and started looking forward to 2016. I think after Romney gets creamed, it's VERY likely there's a GOP civil war and the values voters siphon off to form their own splinter party. If they run a candidate to 15% in 2016 then HELLO PRESIDENT CLINTON (again). And by a 3rd party spoiler candidate, no less! *masturbates furiously*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2012, 01:56:28 PM
yea if Romney loses they'll just say "he wasn't conservative enough!" Or voter fraud
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2012, 01:59:39 PM
2016 is going to be The Insanity Circus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2012, 02:06:52 PM
whoops I meant "if Romney loses"

I'm not sure republicans will magically stop hating brown people in four years, thus allowing a Jeb Bush type to win. Even Chris Christie isn't far right enough; he might be authoritarian/Daddy Figure enough to compensate though.

I'm most looking forward to Santorum running and realizing no one gives a shit about him. He only did well because he was the Last Christian Left. Next time I'd imagine the religious right will have more than a few candidates to choose from: a less medicated Rick Perry, Bob McDonnell, Mitch Daniels, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 20, 2012, 02:11:41 PM
Chaos on Bullshit Mountain (http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-september-19-2012-pink)

Brutal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2012, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 20, 2012, 01:54:23 PM
At this point, I've stopped worrying about this election and started looking forward to 2016. I think after Romney gets creamed, it's VERY likely there's a GOP civil war and the values voters siphon off to form their own splinter party. If they run a candidate to 15% in 2016 then HELLO PRESIDENT CLINTON (again). And by a 3rd party spoiler candidate, no less! *masturbates furiously*

Rick Santorum/Pat Robertson 2016?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 20, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/mittbou0g.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 20, 2012, 07:47:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fabUZ.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2012, 12:11:40 AM
Iiiiiiinteresting.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/bibi_says_sorry.php?ref=fpblg

If Bibi is trying to make nice using back channels (although like the article or whatever says, I find the use of Barak questionable) then I highly doubt we're going to see any Israeli movement on Iran before the election.  Unless this is a ploy.  Which is entirely possible.  But if Netanyahu has resigned himself to another Obama term, it's looking pretty solid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 12:27:31 AM
That could be a lot of projection, but it's interesting. I'd love to get Mandark's opinion on the alleged thoughts of his  king (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/gregory_declares_bibi_king_of_the_jews.php)

Obama was leading on during the week of 911, when Bibi first started popping off, but the lead was mainly the DNC bounce; perhaps he figured it was temporary and we'd go back to the norm soon-ish. Well, Romney fucked that up and it's looking like Obama's race to lose right now. It seems like Bibi has pretty much severed an already weak relationship with Obama due to his comments/behavior though, and even this alleged apology won't change that

There are a lot of people who think a rushed attack on Iran would be a disaster, and wouldn't stall their nuclear ambitions by any long period of time; in fact it might accelerate them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 21, 2012, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 12:27:31 AM
That could be a lot of projection, but it's interesting. I'd love to get Mandark's opinion on the alleged thoughts of his  king (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/gregory_declares_bibi_king_of_the_jews.php)

Wtf?  I'm pretty sure none of the ZOG meetings ended with Bibi being declared supreme leader.  This isn't like when black people got together and elected Tyler Perry as the Alpha Swarth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2012, 12:47:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 21, 2012, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 12:27:31 AM
That could be a lot of projection, but it's interesting. I'd love to get Mandark's opinion on the alleged thoughts of his  king (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/gregory_declares_bibi_king_of_the_jews.php)

Wtf?  I'm pretty sure none of the ZOG meetings ended with Bibi being declared supreme leader.  This isn't like when black people got together and elected Tyler Perry as the Alpha Swarth.

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 01:01:29 AM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/9840/leonoh.png)
damn
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 21, 2012, 01:56:17 AM
The back-channel was allegedly via Ehud Barak and Rahm Emmanuel, right?

I think it's been obvious that Netanyahu's seen Obama as an obstacle more than a partner, and has had a strategy of trying to pin Obama by influencing domestic US politics and of waiting him out.  The US is always a big figure in Israeli-Palestinian politics, so it's not unheard of to see if you can get a better deal down the road.  A lot of people think that was a factor in Arafat turning down a deal in 2000, cause he figured that Bush would be a traditional GOP realist like his dad and would push Israel for more concessions than Clinton did.

A lot of people feel that Netanyahu's been too blatant in his stealth endorsement of Romney.  Conventional wisdom has been that an Israeli prime minister can not survive having a bad relationship with a US president; Yitzhak Shamir and Netanyahu himself were seen as weakened by their clashes with Bush Sr. and Clinton.  So Bibi was betting that the politics had changed enough that this isn't true anymore and he might not be wrong.  But Ehud Barak has taken pains to praise the current administration and to downplay their disagreements as inevitable friction in an otherwise important relationship.  So if Barak's giving this message, it might be coming from him more than from Netanyahu.

Plus you've got the general context of this.  AIPAC's become more influential in the last couple decades and has allied with fundamentalist Christian groups just as Israel's domestic politics have moved towards the right and hawkishness (fueled by wave of ex-Soviet immigrants after the collapse of the USSR and a higher portion of orthodox Haredim).  As much as both parties pay tribute to the US-Israel alliance, Zionism's becoming less flexible in Israel and more associated with right-wing politics in America.  So maybe Bibi wants to reward the GOP for their devotion, but then he runs the risk of damaging the relationship between the two countries and turning it into more of a relationship with a single party within the US (which traditionally isn't a great way to do diplomacy for obvious reasons).

Also, AIPAC's been waaaaaaaaay more quiet and neutral than Bibi, probably because they understand that opposing a winning presidential candidate 1) means having a sitting president resenting you, and 2) lets everybody know that they don't need your tacit endorsement to win.




tl;dr Netanyahu's an asshole who's probably going to push the boundaries as much as he can, but his strategy doesn't have the support of all or even most Israeli and American Jews, who think he's unnecessarily risking their status with the world's only superpower and their only real ally.




PS  Ironically, the constant barking at Iran from Netanyahu and folks like him have made it so Iran doesn't take their threats seriously anymore. (http://thediplomat.com/flashpoints-blog/2012/09/04/why-iran-doesnt-believe-u-s-and-israeli-threats/)  Good jon, guys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 21, 2012, 05:16:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u00noK0_iTY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/fox-and-friends-on-romney-cold-open/1418062/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2012, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 21, 2012, 11:24:34 AM
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/fox-and-friends-on-romney-cold-open/1418062/

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2012, 02:06:33 PM
Disappointment-ton: Mitt's going to release a summary of his tax returns from 1990-2009, and the lowest effective tax rate he paid was 13.6% (he still not going to show us the long form, though). Harry Reid annihilated, Demoncrats owned.  :'( But still, you know he's having a bad week when he actually wants to steer the topic conversation back to his tax returns.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 21, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
It was a nice bluff by Reid.  Vastly preferable to reflexively caving and hand wringing as per the usual for Democrats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 21, 2012, 03:15:50 PM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/296409_458668800840650_148017299_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on September 21, 2012, 02:13:50 PM
It was a nice bluff by Reid.  Vastly preferable to reflexively caving and hand wringing as per the usual for Democrats.

Depends on if you believe the "summary" lol. I want to see if he payed anything in 2009, or whether he was apart of that tax amnesty deal. I also want to know how much income tax he has paid. Considering he makes his money off financial transactions and is subject to capital gains taxes, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he hasn't payed income taxes at least once before
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 21, 2012, 03:50:45 PM
Wasn't Reid's original comment about INCOME taxes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 03:55:29 PM
Quote
If Romney had taken all his deductions, he wd have paid closer to 9% tax in 2011. He paid extra VOLUNTARILY just for optics.
https://twitter.com/froomkin/status/249205362404782080

Quote
"Frankly, if I had paid more than are legally due, I don't think I'd be qualified to become president," he said. "I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UFzGHK6J6iC

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2012, 05:13:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2012, 03:55:29 PM
Quote
If Romney had taken all his deductions, he wd have paid closer to 9% tax in 2011. He paid extra VOLUNTARILY just for optics.
https://twitter.com/froomkin/status/249205362404782080

Quote
"Frankly, if I had paid more than are legally due, I don't think I'd be qualified to become president," he said. "I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UFzGHK6J6iC

:rofl

And he can amend those tax returns next year after he wins/loses!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on September 22, 2012, 03:04:11 PM
Today I found out from my parents that they are planning on firing all of their employees (they currently have 3 I believe) before the end of this year if Romney doesn't win the election and because of "Taxmageddon (http://atr.org/days-taxmageddon-a7203)".

I really don't know what to make of this because A) I don't know how much my parents make from their Chiropractic practice (I've asked before but I always get rather vague answers) and B) I don't know how much money they've accumulated because of the Bush Tax cuts and how much they are going to lose once those expire.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2012, 03:25:03 PM
Can someone give me brief rundown on the doomsday scenario known as "Taxmageddon" and why we're all supposed to be living in fear of it?
Title: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Huff on September 22, 2012, 03:40:55 PM
Employers are going to have to offer somekind of healthcare package for all employees although I think you have to be over a certain size.

I think some businesses could be hurt but not the doomsday that some people are predicting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on September 22, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
My parents consider themselves "Reagan Republicans" if that tells you anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Huff on September 22, 2012, 03:40:55 PM
Employers are going to have to offer somekind of healthcare package for all employees although I think you have to be over a certain size.

I think some businesses could be hurt but not the doomsday that some people are predicting.

That doesn't have to do with the tax issue. Under Obamacare companies with 50 or more employees will have to provide health care - that will not impact businesses with three employees, such as Atramentals' parents

The Jan 1st tax situation is that the Bush tax cuts expire and the sequestration cuts go into effect. Which means everyone's income taxes go up, and large defense cuts will lead to many defense contractors/employees losing jobs. I'd imagine the Bush tax cuts will  be renewed to a degree, so I wouldn't worry about that. I also believe the defense cuts will be overturned given the special interests involved.

I have no idea why a chiropractic practice would be concerned about this - unless it's in Virginia and has many defense contractors as patients
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 12:08:38 AM
Quote from: Atramental on September 22, 2012, 03:48:17 PM
My parents consider themselves "Reagan Republicans" if that tells you anything.

It doesn't.


(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/227814_10151034027781167_1751175249_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
Yes, Bill, the internet is influencing the election. BY PROVIDING PEOPLE WITH NEWS OUTLETS THAT CUT THROUGH ALL THE BULL YOUR NETWORK SPEWS ON A CONSTANT BASIS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2012, 12:12:20 AM
Fox News: "it is now possible to live in an alternate universe. To avoid reality."

*insert joke here*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 23, 2012, 12:13:08 AM
god, fuck that man.  PD should be ashamed to even considering APOLOGIZING for him.

Stewart is going to murder him in that debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2012, 01:02:57 AM
Jon Stewart gets owned every time he tries to seriously debate someone
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 23, 2012, 01:03:45 AM
Didn't Stewart toast O'Reilly on the whole Common thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2012, 01:49:41 AM
Quote from: Green Man on September 23, 2012, 01:28:08 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2012, 01:02:57 AM
Jon Stewart gets owned every time he tries to seriously debate someone

His ideas are sound but he wont go far enough. It's like he limits his ether so he can still play it like he's just the silly joke man.

It feels more like him using being a comedian as his fall back crutch to me, like "hey I'm just a funny guy, nevermind!" Reminds me of how Drake pulls the "hey, I'm just a young guy getting money" card after he gets called out for acting tough
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 23, 2012, 08:21:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2012, 01:02:57 AM
Jon Stewart gets owned every time he tries to seriously debate someone

Ask the hosts of Crossfire if that's true or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 23, 2012, 08:42:55 AM
And that CNBC guy.

Only time I remember Stewart clearly having a hard time when he was really trying to go after someone in an interview was with that Bush-era Justice department lawyer guy.  That guy lawyered his way out of whatever Jon threw at him and Jon was clearly flustered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on September 23, 2012, 10:27:13 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
The Jan 1st tax situation is that the Bush tax cuts expire and the sequestration cuts go into effect. Which means everyone's income taxes go up, and large defense cuts will lead to many defense contractors/employees losing jobs. I'd imagine the Bush tax cuts will  be renewed to a degree, so I wouldn't worry about that. I also believe the defense cuts will be overturned given the special interests involved.

I really really really hope so... pretty worried about this especially now that I have a mortgage :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 23, 2012, 11:04:48 AM
I don't think anyone should be worried, the Bush tax cuts will most likely be extended and the defense budget will be left unmolested.

I wouldn't be surprised if more people get laid off due to the threat of higher taxes.  Millions of people were laid off due to the bullshit about economic uncertainty, in spite of year over year profit increases.  Any excuse to lay off people and force the remaining to work more hours and it will be done.  7-9 percent unemployment is going to be the new normal, best get used to it.

Oh and the debate is Jon's to lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 23, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2012, 01:02:57 AM
Jon Stewart gets owned every time he tries to seriously debate someone

dude you're a joke  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
I said what what in the butt:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/23/bill-kristol-obama-team-turned-around-bushs-financial-meltdown/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
The insiders have gotten a good whiff of Romney and he smells like loserville. Time to cut losses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 08:00:45 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 23, 2012, 06:57:50 PM
The insiders have gotten a good whiff of Romney and he smells like loserville. Time to cut losses.

https://twitter.com/RIFSnobs/status/250020344117735424
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
Also too, yet another early Christmas (Ramadan?) present:

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/250021093539201024
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2012, 09:18:19 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
Also too, yet another early Christmas (Ramadan?) present:

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/250021093539201024

...bwahahahahahahaaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2012, 09:58:05 PM
-4 years of anti-Obama rhetoric and fear-mongering by the combined might of some of the most powerful and effective propaganda machines in the world
-2 years of concerted effort by the GOP to block any attempt by the Democrats to get this country going again
-Sustained economic woes that still haven't been fully fixed
-Political instability around the world

And people STILL don't want Romney! :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 23, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-obama-leads-in-florida-by-4-points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7-PYtXtJM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 23, 2012, 11:56:51 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
Also too, yet another early Christmas (Ramadan?) present:

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/250021093539201024

I've been offline most of the weekend, so I was going to ask if Romney did anything stupid this weekend, but I just got my answer. Thanks!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2012, 12:06:38 AM
PPP: Obama leads 51 - 45 in Colorado.

up 5 in Ohio
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120923/NEWS010601/309230026&Ref=AR

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 24, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
In the immortal words of Winston Wolff, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet. 

I personally think Obama will win no matter what at this point, barring something like an actual Whitey tape being released, or unless he tries to bring back the afro.  Obviously, the Senate still hangs in the balance, but is looking more favorable to be retained post-Akin/47%.  The House is the real prize.  Can the dems get it?  Fuck if I know.  I know the polls SHOULD tighten up a bit between now and election day.  I say should, but Mitt Romney is the gift that keeps on giving.  He has to debate the President 3 times, and ye olde Zombie Eyed Granny Starver has to debate Uncle Joe once.

I want a landslide.  I want to demoralize these fuckers.  I want their spirits broken, their eyes downcast and their daughters sold into sex-slavery.  I want Goldwater-esque gnashing of teeth after this election.  Then I want them to freak the fuck out EVEN MORE when Obama tries to do something after the election so the the non-absolutely batshitfuckinginsane portion of the country (2/3 or whatever) can see what we're dealing with and send these fucktards to a time out until they learn how to sit at the dinner table without shitting their pants that a black dude is sitting at the head of the table and GUESS WHAT, he's parcelling out the dinner in a fair manner.  No little Mitch, you don't get to have your pudding before you eat your meat.  No little Boehner, you don't get to stick your dick in the mashed potatoes without a spanking.  Tough shit, come back when you're willing to be a normal person.

I mean, it won't happen but it's nice to dream, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 24, 2012, 12:24:51 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 24, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
I personally think Obama will win no matter what at this point, barring something like an actual Whitey tape being released, or unless he tries to bring back the afro.

My biggest concern at the moment is the voter ID shit, specifically in Pennsylvania. Obama's curb stomping him in that state, so this wouldn't necessarily be a concern if it wasn't for the fact that this would make 7 MILLION people ineligible to vote, and that COULD help out Romney massively.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 24, 2012, 12:33:33 AM
Isn't there still an outstanding court appeal in PA though?  I think shit like this will be enough to take it down from "curbstomping" to just "crushing defeat" territory, which is still fine by me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2012, 12:49:59 AM
Obviously anything can happen - the financial sector was crashing this time four years ago, changing everything. But right no Romney needs a major event simply to tie this race. Looking at that Colorado poll shows Obama is tying him with white voters - while crushing him among black and Hispanic voters. There's no way for Romney to win that state if those numbers hold.

Then you have Romney cratering in Ohio, losing Wisconsin after the Ryan bump, and losing Virginia. Again if those numbers hold there's no way he can win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2012, 02:00:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI6BJPF-KA4

This man is running for president of the United States
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 24, 2012, 03:03:40 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 23, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
Also too, yet another early Christmas (Ramadan?) present:

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/250021093539201024

Ramadan was actually in July this year (it goes back 2 weeks every year since it's on the lunar calendar).

Anyways, it always seems like he drops a gaffe right as the week is starting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 24, 2012, 04:27:28 AM
MAURICE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skkc47z8XmU

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2012, 07:24:45 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 24, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
In the immortal words of Winston Wolff, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet. 

I personally think Obama will win no matter what at this point, barring something like an actual Whitey tape being released, or unless he tries to bring back the afro.  Obviously, the Senate still hangs in the balance, but is looking more favorable to be retained post-Akin/47%.  The House is the real prize.  Can the dems get it?  Fuck if I know.  I know the polls SHOULD tighten up a bit between now and election day.  I say should, but Mitt Romney is the gift that keeps on giving.  He has to debate the President 3 times, and ye olde Zombie Eyed Granny Starver has to debate Uncle Joe once.

I want a landslide.  I want to demoralize these fuckers.  I want their spirits broken, their eyes downcast and their daughters sold into sex-slavery.  I want Goldwater-esque gnashing of teeth after this election.  Then I want them to freak the fuck out EVEN MORE when Obama tries to do something after the election so the the non-absolutely batshitfuckinginsane portion of the country (2/3 or whatever) can see what we're dealing with and send these fucktards to a time out until they learn how to sit at the dinner table without shitting their pants that a black dude is sitting at the head of the table and GUESS WHAT, he's parcelling out the dinner in a fair manner.  No little Mitch, you don't get to have your pudding before you eat your meat.  No little Boehner, you don't get to stick your dick in the mashed potatoes without a spanking.  Tough shit, come back when you're willing to be a normal person.

I mean, it won't happen but it's nice to dream, right?

This post reminds me of the first few dozen pages of this thread when everyone assumed that the Democrats would enter into this permanent supermajority because Reaganomics were roundly denounced by the public and the GOP looked to Rush Limbaugh for leadership out of sheer despair.

It's fun to dream but the GOP will be as obnoxious and shitty as ever whether they win or lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 24, 2012, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2012, 02:00:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI6BJPF-KA4

This man is running for president of the United States

You know, for a man who has essentially done nothing else in the past eight years but running for President, he REALLY sucks at it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 24, 2012, 12:14:09 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 24, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
In the immortal words of Winston Wolff, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet. 

I personally think Obama will win no matter what at this point, barring something like an actual Whitey tape being released, or unless he tries to bring back the afro.  Obviously, the Senate still hangs in the balance, but is looking more favorable to be retained post-Akin/47%.  The House is the real prize.  Can the dems get it?  Fuck if I know.  I know the polls SHOULD tighten up a bit between now and election day.  I say should, but Mitt Romney is the gift that keeps on giving.  He has to debate the President 3 times, and ye olde Zombie Eyed Granny Starver has to debate Uncle Joe once.

I want a landslide.  I want to demoralize these fuckers.  I want their spirits broken, their eyes downcast and their daughters sold into sex-slavery.  I want Goldwater-esque gnashing of teeth after this election.  Then I want them to freak the fuck out EVEN MORE when Obama tries to do something after the election so the the non-absolutely batshitfuckinginsane portion of the country (2/3 or whatever) can see what we're dealing with and send these fucktards to a time out until they learn how to sit at the dinner table without shitting their pants that a black dude is sitting at the head of the table and GUESS WHAT, he's parcelling out the dinner in a fair manner.  No little Mitch, you don't get to have your pudding before you eat your meat.  No little Boehner, you don't get to stick your dick in the mashed potatoes without a spanking.  Tough shit, come back when you're willing to be a normal person.

I mean, it won't happen but it's nice to dream, right?

It won't matter even if Obama wins in a landslide (which I doubt will happen). They'll just complain that Romney wasn't conservative enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 24, 2012, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: Green Man on September 24, 2012, 05:02:24 AM
That video is so absurd. You can totally hide being black.

Oh and I love the paintings in the background.

DOMINATING THE NEW CYCLE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2012, 01:24:13 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on September 24, 2012, 01:07:13 PM
Quote from: Green Man on September 24, 2012, 05:02:24 AM
That video is so absurd. You can totally hide being black.

Oh and I love the paintings in the background.

DOMINATING THE NEW CYCLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s

so bummed they didn't release new videos for this election
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on September 24, 2012, 02:40:31 PM
Quote from: Boogie on September 24, 2012, 08:04:46 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2012, 02:00:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI6BJPF-KA4

This man is running for president of the United States

You know, for a man who has essentially done nothing else in the past eight years but running for President, he REALLY sucks at it.
Without having Clintonian levels of charisma, I don't see how he could have better responded to the question without adopting a less odious position (or at least lying about his position).

Republicans have made being comfortable with extreme inequality a sign of intellectual maturity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beezy on September 24, 2012, 06:02:28 PM
http://gawker.com/5945967/romney-doesnt-know-why-airplane-windows-wont-open-calls-the-closed-window-policy-a-real-problem

Quote
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no - and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem. So it's very dangerous."

This isn't real, is it? It can't be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
he should watch the end of Goldfinger again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
thank you, based internet

http://lucilleandmitt.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 24, 2012, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: Eric P on September 24, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
thank you, based internet

http://lucilleandmitt.tumblr.com/

oh my god :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 24, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
Quote from: Eric P on September 24, 2012, 06:21:16 PM
he should watch the end of Goldfinger again

Why watch it? He's lived it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 24, 2012, 11:14:36 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-campaign-reboots-for-72nd-consecutive-week,29679/


Quote
BOSTON—Saying it was time to get back to basics and “start fresh,” top-level sources at Romney 2012 headquarters announced plans to reboot and reenergize the campaign for the 72nd consecutive week Monday. “We’re looking forward to wiping the slate clean, getting back out there among voters, and showing Americans who Mitt really is and how his policies will work for them,” said communications director Gail Gitcho, stating that the campaign had hit the “reset button” and citizens could look forward to getting to know “the real Mitt” over the next several days, a statement she has made every week since May 2011. “It’s important that we pivot back to Gov. Romney’s central message of economic opportunity for all Americans and just let Mitt be Mitt. I think voters will really like what they hear.” At press time, Romney staffers are already prepping for next week’s campaign reboot after remarks the Republican candidate just uttered at a voter rally in Pueblo, CO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2012, 12:58:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdk55dLsFhc
i'd let her disenfranchise me  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2012, 02:27:39 AM
Don't like the poll results? "Correct" them until you do:
http://www.unskewedpolls.com/

Quote
Despite all the noise created by all those media-commissioned skewed polls that appear to have President Obama leading, Mitt Romney is actually winning the presidential race as of today.

...

Polling data and analysis of voting patterns indicates that Romney is going to win most of the key swing states including the five surveyed by Purple Strategies just a few days ago. The last QStarNews analysis and projection of the electoral college covered in this column predicts Romney winning 301 electoral votes, 31 more than needed for election as president.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 25, 2012, 02:29:33 AM
How do they get those?  By having their readers check on temperature stations and then factoring in solar forcing?  :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 25, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOPKTZY7_w

:piss libertarians :piss2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Verdigris Murder on September 25, 2012, 05:12:52 PM
There was a pic on neogaf of Mexican mitt, with a chihuahua and amazing things. It actually made me irl lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 25, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on September 25, 2012, 02:27:39 AM
Don't like the poll results? "Correct" them until you do:
http://www.unskewedpolls.com/

Quote
Despite all the noise created by all those media-commissioned skewed polls that appear to have President Obama leading, Mitt Romney is actually winning the presidential race as of today.

...

Polling data and analysis of voting patterns indicates that Romney is going to win most of the key swing states including the five surveyed by Purple Strategies just a few days ago. The last QStarNews analysis and projection of the electoral college covered in this column predicts Romney winning 301 electoral votes, 31 more than needed for election as president.

Reminds me of all of those unbound delegates that were supposed to break towards Ron Paul that actually put him in the lead but never materializing.

Even 301 electoral votes is pretty depressing when you think about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2012, 10:44:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwkSBqaRyeE
:rofl :rofl :rofl

look at Ryan's reaction, holy crap. Can't wait to see them walk this back
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2012, 01:05:10 AM
Welp, looks like the Wis Senate Seat is going to stay Dem.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/so_long_tommy.php?ref=fpblg

HERP A FUCKING DERP,THOMPSON.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 26, 2012, 01:24:18 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2012, 10:44:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwkSBqaRyeE
:rofl :rofl :rofl

look at Ryan's reaction, holy crap. Can't wait to see them walk this back

Stench gonna be stench
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
WELCOME TO BONERTOWN

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/09/26/latest_swing_state_polls.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2012, 12:49:15 PM
Yeah, Obama's got this.

Voting for Jill Stein!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 26, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
Gallup with Obama up +6 nationally today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
OH GOD WHY CAN'T I STOP MASTURBATING
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2012, 02:20:02 PM
If things keep going in this direction, I think he could win NC again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2012, 02:24:29 PM
Some early voting numbers from Iowa and NC

Quote
The latest numbers are 105,669 Democratic ballot requests, 18,542 Republican ones.
That's 10% of of the total votes cast in 2008. Romney will be down at least 8% before votes are even counted on election night

Sort of bad news in NC
Quote
NORTH CAROLINA reports as of Tuesday morning 66,664 ballot requests with the following party breakdown:

Party Reg   
Dem    27.9%
Rep    51.0%
None/Oth    21.1%
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/25/1136382/-Dems-romp-in-Iowa-early-ballot-requests-lag-in-North-Carolina

But luckily that 66k equals less than 2% of the total votes cast in 2008. We'll see how things play out in the coming days
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2012, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on September 26, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
Gallup with Obama up +6 nationally today.

As if anyone would trust the left leaning Gallup Organization. The super accurate polls at romneychartz.com has Romney winning by 27%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2012, 04:43:42 PM
Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/09/26/new-report-debunks-right-wing-falsehood-about-p/190151
More broadly, attempts by armed civilians to stop shooting rampages are rare -- and successful ones even rarer. There were two school shootings in the late 1990s, in Mississippi and Pennsylvania, in which bystanders with guns ultimately subdued the teen perpetrators, but in both cases it was after the shooting had subsided. Other cases led to tragic results. In 2005, as a rampage unfolded inside a shopping mall in Tacoma, Washington, a civilian named Brendan McKown confronted the assailant with a licensed handgun he was carrying. The assailant pumped several bullets into McKown and wounded six people before eventually surrendering to police after a hostage standoff. (A comatose McKown eventually recovered after weeks in the hospital.) In Tyler, Texas, that same year, a civilian named Mark Wilson fired his licensed handgun at a man on a rampage at the county courthouse. Wilson--who was a firearms instructor--was shot dead by the body-armored assailant, who wielded an AK-47. (None of these cases were included in our mass shootings data set because fewer than four victims died in each.)

Appeals to heroism on this subject abound. So does misleading information. Gun rights die-hards frequently credit the end of a rampage in 2002 at the Appalachian School of Law in Virginia to armed "students" who intervened--while failing to disclose that those students were also current and former law enforcement officers, and that the killer, according to police investigators, was out of ammo by the time they got to him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on September 26, 2012, 05:03:42 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 26, 2012, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on September 26, 2012, 01:27:56 PM
Gallup with Obama up +6 nationally today.

As if anyone would trust the left leaning Gallup Organization. The super accurate polls at romneychartz.com has Romney winning by 27%.

Dude, you gave people the wrong address. It's www.rmoneychartz.biz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2012, 05:06:30 PM
Cuz Mitt brings the BIZness know-how we need to get America back on track.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 26, 2012, 06:21:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CSVSwSaypg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 06:59:58 PM
Is this how Republicans felt in 1984?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
Sure, it's shameless pandering to the gay voters, but you can't deny Paul Ryan would make a fabulous first lady.  :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2012, 07:14:39 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/26/14115083-romney-massachusetts-health-care-law-is-proof-of-empathy?lite

Today's Forecast is: Romneycare is OKAY.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
Romney's surpassed mere flip-flopping.  At this point he's basically Schrodinger's Candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 07:27:38 PM
He's rebooting so often you'd think his campaign manager was Dan Didio!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 26, 2012, 07:30:15 PM
He's rebooting so often his IT staff thinking it's a hardware issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2012, 07:33:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
Romney's surpassed mere flip-flopping.  At this point he's basically Schrodinger's Candidate.

When you apply Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle to the question of whether Romney is for or against universal health care, you'll find that the answer is...yes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 07:35:54 PM
The BEST part, as many people have pointed out, is that if Romney doesn't completely flip the script during the first debate, Karl Rove's gonna leave him twisting in the wind and take all his SuperPAC money to down-ticket Senate and House races. Just in case anyone was under the impression Rove wasn't the most merciless motherfucker in the room.

But the idea of a "cash-flush" Romney suddenly discovering he doesn't have an advertising dime to his name is utterly charming.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 07:44:33 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 07:27:38 PM
He's rebooting so often you'd think his campaign manager was Dan Didio!

No wonder his advisor wouldn't say he's a neocon (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romneys-foreign-policy-an-ideology-that-dare-not-speak-its-name/2012/09/13/de002106-fdf0-11e1-8adc-499661afe377_story.html), he's actually a retcon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 07:46:03 PM
Aquaromney can't be far now.

(http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/aqua-romney.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2012, 07:48:41 PM
Go to facebook.

type in barack obama in the search bar.

post your results.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 26, 2012, 07:53:29 PM
 :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 07:59:39 PM
For anyone with Netflix streaming, check out the first skit of the last episode of SNL's 21st season, with Norm MacDonald as Bob Dole on Nightline.  We're not at that point yet, but it's starting to feel like we're on that trajectory.


Speaking of Facebook, I wish I had liked Obama last year, when it would have been a really effective troll for both my liberal and conservative FB friends.  Oh well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
I figured it out - Romney is campaigning in Hypertime, and different fragments from each of the different electorates are breaking into our world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 08:04:37 PM
Ah, forgot we're still in the aftermath of Financial Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2012, 08:05:13 PM
students for obama for me
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 08:11:30 PM
The Bain = Bane connection was true all along!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 26, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
https://twitter.com/rsmccain/statuses/250836704473251840

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2012, 09:25:02 PM
when I search for barack obama on facebook, i instantly get paul ryan and romney campaigns. The entire list consists of republican related stuff, nothing on obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2012, 09:28:47 PM
I remember some liberals complaining about sample sizes in 2004 but not to this level; even 2008 didn't feature this type of backlash against poll methodology. Basically every poll would have to be wrong for republicans to win this argument, there really is no middle ground here.

Party ID fluctuates but a major constant remains that there are more democrats than republicans. And barring some shenanigans dems will probably have a 5-8 point lead in exit polls this November
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
To be fair, in 2008 polls showed Obama solidly in the lead, and McCain got more votes.

If you don't count the rampant voter fraud, natch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 26, 2012, 09:52:03 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/26/14115083-romney-massachusetts-health-care-law-is-proof-of-empathy?lite

Today's Forecast is: Romneycare is OKAY.

Stick a fork in this shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 26, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
Honostly, this unskewed polls site is a slam dunk for internet vouyers like myself who follow elections in part to see deluded partisans crack under the weight of reality.  Instead of witnessing people's hopes crushed ploddingly and individually over an 8 week stretch, it will all happen all at once, like that firework show where every rocket was lit at the same time. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
To be fair, in 2008 polls showed Obama solidly in the lead, and McCain got more votes.

If you don't count the rampant voter fraud, natch.

True although Obama's lead began to rise in late September 08, and we're seeing similar movement nationally - just not to the same level. Polling wise Obama is doing better in Florida, NC, and Virginia right now than he was in September 08

Interestingly four years ago (September 26th) Obama was ahead 50-42 in the Gallup daily tracker; today he's ahead 50-44. McCain suspended his campaign on the 24th, and because Gallup uses a week rolling average it wasn't picked up immediately. But once it was picked up Obama was ahead big and McCain never caught him again

Today is the first day the tracker reflects Romney's 47% comment. We'll soon see whether that comment is comparable, statistically, to McCain's meltdown
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTxJUanlxo

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2012, 10:43:48 PM
The 47% thing won't be as bad, just because the financial meltdown wasn't just a big screwup by the McCain campaign, it was a big external event that hurt an already unpopular president and his party.  It was basically a combination of Romney's gaffes and the big external crisis that some Republicans are crossing their fingers for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on September 26, 2012, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTxJUanlxo

:rofl

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 27, 2012, 04:32:56 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on September 26, 2012, 06:21:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CSVSwSaypg

Holy shit. :rofl

The best part is everyone else's reactions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2012, 09:35:21 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on September 26, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
https://twitter.com/rsmccain/statuses/250836704473251840

:smug

Annemarie Dickey ‏@Scottishlizard1
@rsmccain So you failed biology, geology & statistics. Hard to find a good job, eh? Nice 2 know that being a wingnut grifter works for you.

Zing!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 27, 2012, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2012, 10:16:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwTxJUanlxo

:rofl

:rofl

this is the best thing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2012, 12:23:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9xCCaseop4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 27, 2012, 12:29:23 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 27, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
*pained teeth sucking sound*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
Unless Barry Goldwater's grandson has a secret tape of Obama at a Black Panther rally saying "I'm never gonna get 47% of these honkies to vote for me, I was born in Kenya and I'm a Muslim!" I think this thing is pretty much over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 27, 2012, 02:02:12 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on September 27, 2012, 01:54:51 PM
Unless Barry Goldwater's grandson has a secret tape of Obama at a Black Panther rally saying "I'm never gonna get 47% of these honkies to vote for me, I was born in Kenya and I'm a Muslim!" I think this thing is pretty much over.

If he got 47% of white people, that's voter fraud.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2012, 02:18:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 27, 2012, 04:28:26 PM
ROMNEY? HE SUCKS - BAD

yeah this is my new ringtone
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2012, 04:40:10 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/akin-mccaskill-wasnt-ladylike-in-debate

During a legitimate debate, a woman's body has a way to shut that whole thing down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 27, 2012, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: Chris Rock
Polls getting so bad for Mitt Romney this morning I saw a guy scraping a Romney bumper sticker off his car. It was Paul Ryan. #GOP2012
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nbc-marist-north-carolina-dead-heat

Obama up 2 in NC :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2012, 08:55:10 PM
If you just can't get enough polling crack, TPM has your back

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/the_heat_is_on_2.php?ref=fpblg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2012, 09:28:54 PM
Obama is now officially a job creator:

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/bls-job-numbers-obama-net-growth.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
In January 2009, the United States had 133,561,000 total non-farm payrolls. The revised BLS figures put him into positive territory by July 2012, when the number is now deemed to have been 133,631,000.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 28, 2012, 12:13:25 AM
Just in time for the first debate over domestic policy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2012, 12:14:33 AM
I've never heard of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, sounds like some left-wing think tank.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 12:59:59 AM
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/09/an-essay-only-a-white-person-could-write

Ah yes, another white liberal who speaks for the downtrodden and minorities, citing privilege and luxury, while at the same time single-handedly creating a racial divide for something that never was.

More than that, the article gives off the assumption that because you aren't voting for Obama, you fully support Romney. It even gives off the air that if you're well off, vote for Obama because otherwise you're against abortion, healthcare, and hate the poor! In the comments, the author argues that voting for third party makes your vote really just a sad case of narcissism. I can take issue with Connor not even mentioning Jill Stein in this rant, but it's really hard to fault the message in his article even if it's a one-issue.

The fact that Loomis makes the article title about race - such an impertinence - is the icing on the cake. The fact that Obama has given less funding towards the poor than Bush makes his final quip about "luxuries" and "privilege" even more hilarious and inane.

Loomis tosses the idea of things not being equal between races, especially at the poverty rate but then goes on to make the hypocritical statement that no way a minority couldn't write that, ever. Or hold that position or opinion, ever. It reeks of smug white liberal appeal to being open-minded to people, while at the flip of the hat, making a clear racial division that no non-white person could ever hold. As a non-white, I find it insulting.

Shut the fuck up about race, white people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 01:01:38 AM
Sorry, I can't stand white liberals who hate themselves. It felt good to get that out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2012, 01:24:19 AM
We'll stfu about race when you stfu about EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 01:47:44 AM
There have been a number of posts at LGM recently about the third-party option for disaffected liberals.  Loomis, djw and Lemieux have all posted about it.

And you know, I think Loomis (who's the leftest writer on the site) has a point.  Most of the progressives who plan on not voting for Obama* are privileged white dudes, and that has a lot to do with the way they frame the issue of voting.  They're secure enough from the worst effects of a Republican government that they can afford to vote symbolically.

I think the same effect was pretty prevalent during a lot of the administration's legislative sausage-making.  People with white collar jobs and good healthcare plans saying they should have gone for single-payer come hell or high water, people with job security saying unemployment insurance wasn't worth a temporary extension of the Bush cuts, etc.  Liberals on the Stoller/Taibbi/Greenwald axis, for the most part, are not organizing because they feel directly threatened, but because they are committed to a certain political philosophy, and are generally leading secure enough lives that they can afford politics as a passtime.

That's not to dis middle-class political amateurs; that's basically my tribe.  But I think it really behooves liberals such as myself to remember that the fights are really not about us, they are about the actual effects government can have on people's lives.  If you're gonna vote to make yourself feel better by associating yourself with a person or group you admire, that's your call.  But you don't get to lecture other people about their vote, and you don't get to claim to be some sort of pure True Liberal while turning your back on those less fortunate than yourself.




*Exceptions for people who are in safe states and trying to get the third party of their choice to the 5% threshold or whatever.  We're talking about people like Matt Stoller who argue that the two parties are indistinguishable and that costing Obama the election wouldn't be a bad thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2012, 08:13:31 AM
Quote
The Reason-Rupe September 2012 poll includes our favorite ideological questions to differentiate libertarians from liberals and conservatives. Using three questions, we can define libertarians as respondents who believe “the less government the better,” who prefer the “free market” to handle problems, and who want government to “favor no particular set of values.” These fiscally conservative, socially liberal voters represent 20% of the public in the Reason-Rupe poll, in line with previous estimates.

Among these likely libertarian voters, the presidential horserace currently stands:

Romney 77%
Obama 20%
Other 3%

Romney’s share of the libertarian vote represents a high water mark for Republican presidential candidates in recent elections.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/09/28/funny-definition-of-libertarian-you-boys-have-here/

Glad that wasn't my imagination after all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 28, 2012, 08:37:23 AM
Most libertarians I've run across on the internet are right wing authoritarians.  Most of them just aren't religious or want to have weed legal.  Quite a bit of them are of the belief that voting for anyone other than a Republican is like casting a vote for a Democrat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2012, 09:52:21 AM
Bibi says it's time to send a clear message to Iran by drawing a red line on their cartoon bomb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFYvwICHxXo

 :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
Most libertarians I've met enjoy a subpar understanding of everything they "care" about including foreign policy, economics, history and a vast number of conspiracy theories.  But they're pretty well versed in any and all studies on the benefits of marijuana. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 28, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
Have you ever read any Locke on WEED?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: Eric P on September 28, 2012, 10:36:51 AM
Have you ever read any Locke on WEED?
                                                          /
                                                        /
                                                      /
(http://militantlibertarian.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jon-stewart-half-baked-300x225.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 28, 2012, 10:47:31 AM
Most libertarians assume that they won't be the one who sweeps the factory floor for company scrip/5 cents an hour.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 01:47:44 AM
There have been a number of posts at LGM recently about the third-party option for disaffected liberals.  Loomis, djw and Lemieux have all posted about it.

And you know, I think Loomis (who's the leftest writer on the site) has a point.  Most of the progressives who plan on not voting for Obama* are privileged white dudes, and that has a lot to do with the way they frame the issue of voting.  They're secure enough from the worst effects of a Republican government that they can afford to vote symbolically.

I think the same effect was pretty prevalent during a lot of the administration's legislative sausage-making.  People with white collar jobs and good healthcare plans saying they should have gone for single-payer come hell or high water, people with job security saying unemployment insurance wasn't worth a temporary extension of the Bush cuts, etc.  Liberals on the Stoller/Taibbi/Greenwald axis, for the most part, are not organizing because they feel directly threatened, but because they are committed to a certain political philosophy, and are generally leading secure enough lives that they can afford politics as a passtime.

That's not to dis middle-class political amateurs; that's basically my tribe.  But I think it really behooves liberals such as myself to remember that the fights are really not about us, they are about the actual effects government can have on people's lives.  If you're gonna vote to make yourself feel better by associating yourself with a person or group you admire, that's your call.  But you don't get to lecture other people about their vote, and you don't get to claim to be some sort of pure True Liberal while turning your back on those less fortunate than yourself.




*Exceptions for people who are in safe states and trying to get the third party of their choice to the 5% threshold or whatever.  We're talking about people like Matt Stoller who argue that the two parties are indistinguishable and that costing Obama the election wouldn't be a bad thing.

The dissonance is that caring about people being killed overseas is equivalent to white people problems according to Loomis. Meanwhile, living in a country that is disaffected from such drone strikes on BROWN PEOPLE and forgiving Obama for it just because OH WELL, ROMNEY WOULD DO IT WORSE is a sum for sum example of first world privilege.

Some other guy on SA said it far better than I ever could:

In other words, we apparently have to forgive Obama for bombing mourners and imprisoning people without trial because there are poor people and people who need abortions here in America. I didn't realize that caring for impoverished Americans and having a sane foreign policy were mutually exclusive. The most glaring problem with Loomis's analysis is that the victims of Obama's foreign policy are about the furthest you can get from privileged white people. On the other hand, supporting a president who kills foreign civilians because he's in a position to make life better for Americans is about the purest expression of first-world, or "white", privilege I can think of.

Given that Loomis probably doesn't have to worry much about extrajudicial assassination or be concerned about having an unwanted drone strike killing kids in his neighborhood, it's a luxury for him to be a lesser-of-evils voter.

Never the mind the mere simple fact that Friedersdorf raises multiple issues, not just the one that Loomis supposes he does. Also, the fact that there are white people not voting for Obama does not really form a solid argument in Loomis' favor.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 11:41:39 AM
Also, while we're on the subject, it's pretty funny how Democrats have really tried to sweep Obama's covert war crap under the rug.

10 years ago: PRESIDENT BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL, HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.

Now, after going around congress to bomb the fuck out of whistle blower brown people: OH, WELL, WAR IS JUST LIKE THAT. OKAY?

At the very least, have a bit of consistency with your argument. Especially from the same party who claims to be for tolerance and peace and love.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2012, 12:07:26 PM
stfu, hippie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 12:08:58 PM
:heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 28, 2012, 12:32:15 PM
Voted early :smug

spoiler (click to show/hide)
For Obama  :o

I was going to vote for Stein but opted not to.  While Iowa is in the bag for Obama, I just wanted to make sure he got it and not Romney.

I still don't buy the cult set stuff that Mandark posted earlier.  While he's done a lot of good things, he's done a lot of bad things, things that would have caused foaming-at-the-mouth outrage had Bush or McCain done it but is spun or glossed over because "he's our guy."  Yep, it was a Not Romney vote, much like how most of the election will turn out.  They will either be voting against Obama or against Romney.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2012, 12:33:10 PM
I'm pretty sure most Democrats aren't too happy with the whole "kill brown people with flying robots" thing, but they just think it'll be worse with Romney (i.e. full scale war with Iran). Once Mitt the Great is defeated, then we can all go back to being critical of Obama. It's like how everyone forgot how terrible the regular refs are when confronted with the true horror of the scab refs.

also, stfu hippie
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 03:14:08 PM
Himuro:  That rather misses the point of what I said and the parallel discussion over at LGM and Crooked Timber.

The problem with that SA quote is that the poor brown folks being killed in the tribal regions of Pakistan are fucked regardless of who wins.  By throwing the election to Romney, you're not trading reproductive rights, gay rights, health insurance and economic relief for the poor in order to win a more humane foreign policy.  You're giving those away for nothing.

I remember a friend-of-a-friend on FB saying last year he wasn't going to vote for Obama because he didn't want those drone strikes to be "in his name."  To him it's about exculpating himself, while knowing full well that it won't actually stop or even slow any of the crimes he's allegedly protesting.  And by doing that, he's saying that his own feeling of superiority or innocence is worth more to him than the tangible benefits (relative to Romney, duh) that would come from a second Obama term.

Now if Romney was a Paul-style libertarian who was going to gut the gut the welfare state while retrenching America's global military presence, you might have an interesting dilemma.  That's pretty clearly not the case, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 28, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
It's too bad Amurica cares more about refs than teachers. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2012, 03:24:46 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 03:14:08 PM
Himuro:  That rather misses the point of what I said and the parallel discussion over at LGM and Crooked Timber.

The problem with that SA quote is that the poor brown folks being killed in the tribal regions of Pakistan are fucked regardless of who wins.  By throwing the election to Romney, you're not trading reproductive rights, gay rights, health insurance and economic relief for the poor in order to win a more humane foreign policy.  You're giving those away for nothing.

I remember a friend-of-a-friend on FB saying last year he wasn't going to vote for Obama because he didn't want those drone strikes to be "in his name."  To him it's about exculpating himself, while knowing full well that it won't actually stop or even slow any of the crimes he's allegedly protesting.  And by doing that, he's saying that his own feeling of superiority or innocence is worth more to him than the tangible benefits (relative to Romney, duh) that would come from a second Obama term.

Now if Romney was a Paul-style libertarian who was going to gut the gut the welfare state while retrenching America's global military presence, you might have an interesting dilemma.  That's pretty clearly not the case, though.

HE'S MOVING THE OVERTON WINDOW, BRO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 03:27:03 PM
A lot of people talk about voting for "the lesser of two evils" as if it's some unfair burden they bear or some flaw in the system that would be corrected by more parties.

Look, in any democracy you're going to need 50%+1 votes to get a governing caucus.  Does anyone really believe that their first choice candidate, who agrees with them on all the issues they feel are important, is going to realistically also be the first choice of ~70 million other voters, and that there's some cosmic injustice or institutional failure that's presenting this?

Having a share of power in a democracy means ceding a share of power to those with different beliefs and priorities.  In FPTP systems, that basically means two parties which each house pretty large internal coalitions.  With proportional representation, you get a lot of parties that have to negotiate after elections and form alliances.  Which is arguably worse, because the party you supported might wind up in bed with the party you oppose the most (eg the Lib Dems joining the Tory govt in the UK).

The opportunity to, even in a small way, minimize the evil in office is a feature of democracy, not a bug.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 03:58:48 PM
Agreed, Mandark.  Too many people fail to realize how coalitions work in other democracies as well and that our parties are just large coalitions.  I have this argument everytime I hear somebody start talking about the need of a new party to fit their own personal ideologies.  They just don't get that in the end they'll end up in bed with the same group of people anyways most likely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 28, 2012, 03:59:54 PM
VOTE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE PARTY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:10:21 PM
Mups: I think it's a lot easier to think that the obstacles in the way are just the current set of corrupt pols and parties than it is to face the reality: you can't implement your preferences until they're the preferences of a majority, and that takes forever to accomplish if it ever happens (and it usually doesn't).  It's almost like facing your own mortality.

Likewise, if I were a conservative, it'd be a lot more tempting to say "Bush betrayed our principles with all that spending!" than admit that SS, publicly-funded education, and Medicare are super-popular and any Republican who wants to win is going to suck up to those programs and their respective constituencies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
Mandark, most of my issue with Erik's article stem from the hostility. I'm more open to discuss things if there is no name calling about.

And a similar article - but much more articulate and less hostile - I came across today showed up. I highly suggest it.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175598/tomgram%3A_rebecca_solnit%2C_we_could_be_heroes/#more
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 03:58:48 PM
Agreed, Mandark.  Too many people fail to realize how coalitions work in other democracies as well and that our parties are just large coalitions.  I have this argument everytime I hear somebody start talking about the need of a new party to fit their own personal ideologies.  They just don't get that in the end they'll end up in bed with the same group of people anyways most likely.

In my case at least, it's mostly just the frustration that a giant amount of my views - which are mostly standard progressive views, nothing out of the ordinary in any way - don't even have much representation. Just because a third party would likely fall in bed with the corporations doesn't really mean you've won the argument. It also doesn't mean that that electoral reform is a fruitless endeavor, or the fact that our two parties are stripping people's voices - Stein and Johnson aren't allowed to participate in the debates at all. Even if what you say is true, it doesn't mean nothing should be done or that people shouldn't raise a stink about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 04:21:05 PM
Mandark, most of my issue with Erik's article stem from the hostility. I'm more open to discuss things if there is no name calling about.

And a similar article - but much more articulate and less hostile - I came across today showed up. I highly suggest it.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175598/tomgram%3A_rebecca_solnit%2C_we_could_be_heroes/#more

Oh no, name calling?  Heaven forfend!  Wait, didn't you already make a blanket accusation of hypocrisy against Dems?  Hasn't Greenwald spent the last three years calling anyone who disagrees with him a party apparatchik?  I don't really mind that stuff.  Being called a stooge and rube for Obama and the DNC is small beer after half a dozen years of being called a stooge and a rube for Saddam and Osama.  But if you're gonna come out swinging, don't cry foul when you forget to tuck your chin in.

More importantly, content matters more than tone.  This is something I internalized in the early 00's when Krugman et al were constantly being dismissed for "shrill" criticism of Bush's tax cuts and the Iraq war.  Whoopsie!  Loomis is right, that dude at SA is wrong, and pretending otherwise because Loomis was gruff doesn't actually help anyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
Himu, do you feel that the debates should include someone representing the Stormfront viewpoint and that American democracy is being stifled because of this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Name calling is fine. But if someone is trying to make an argument and I really, really want to understand their point, for the sake of communication, articulating in a reasonable way is far better way of handling things than Loomis' article. I also called no names when I called out Democrats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 12:59:59 AM
Shut the fuck up about race, white people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
Himu, do you feel that the debates should include someone representing the Stormfront viewpoint and that American democracy is being stifled because of this?

No, don't be ridiculous. You're equating hate speech to equal representation under presidential debates? That's just silly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 04:43:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:37:11 PM
Himu, do you feel that the debates should include someone representing the Stormfront viewpoint and that American democracy is being stifled because of this?

No, don't be ridiculous. You're equating hate speech to equal representation under presidential debates? That's just silly.

Ridiculous how?  There are a lot of European democracies where explicitly nativist/racist parties are able to flourish because of the multiparty system, and in the last 100 years in the US, the third party candidates that won the most states were Strom Thurmond and George Wallace, running on segregationist platforms.

If you want fringe groups to be given a larger megaphone, that's going to mean hearing more from people whose views you find despicable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 28, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 04:35:54 PM
Being called a stooge and rube for Obama and the DNC is small beer after half a dozen years of being called a stooge and a rube for Saddam and Osama. 

Matter of opinion. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 04:56:25 PM
Hmm, you have a good point Mandark. But at the very least, wouldn't it be appropriate to include the largest candidates into the debates? I don't see why the Democrats and Republicans should have a monopoly on it. But you make a good point that I didn't consider.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 03:58:48 PM
Agreed, Mandark.  Too many people fail to realize how coalitions work in other democracies as well and that our parties are just large coalitions.  I have this argument everytime I hear somebody start talking about the need of a new party to fit their own personal ideologies.  They just don't get that in the end they'll end up in bed with the same group of people anyways most likely.

In my case at least, it's mostly just the frustration that a giant amount of my views - which are mostly standard progressive views, nothing out of the ordinary in any way - don't even have much representation. Just because a third party would likely fall in bed with the corporations doesn't really mean you've won the argument. It also doesn't mean that that electoral reform is a fruitless endeavor, or the fact that our two parties are stripping people's voices - Stein and Johnson aren't allowed to participate in the debates at all. Even if what you say is true, it doesn't mean nothing should be done or that people shouldn't raise a stink about it.
I didn't say it was a fruitless endeavor.  The beauty of grassroots movements is that they do hold sway.  They can influence a party and election.  What Mandark said much better than I is that it comes down to the fact that your views are just not popular.  Reconciling that is more important than giving a mic to people just for the sake of being fair or some other notion.  It has to do with really making your voice heard and doing enough stomping and real political groundwork to be noticed and start a movement.  But most people prefer to resort to finger wagging and saying that the system is stacked against them. 

Edit: When it comes down to it, it's not just that the general population doesn't care about a lot of these issues, it's that so many of these supporters are only willing to go so far as their front door to push their agenda.  Too many people expect to sit on the sidelines and cry that "people just don't get it" instead of going out there and working for the change they want to see.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
I'm not sure if my views are really that unpopular. When you lack the representation, of course it's not going to seem popular, because most people don't even know about it. Then again, I'm all for scaling down the military funding, pumping more into the sciences, education, and nasa. I know a lot of people are for more a more powerful military, as defensive measures, so maybe you're right.

To be fair, Occupy is a part of the movement I agree with, and they're definitely not sitting on the sidelines. I've even been to a few Occupy rallies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
I'm not sure if my views are really that unpopular. When you lack the representation, of course it's not going to seem popular, because most people don't even know about it. Then again, I'm all for scaling down the military funding, pumping more into the sciences, education, and nasa. I know a lot of people are for more a more powerful military, as defensive measures, so maybe you're right.
You might catch people who agree with it in theory but as I said, they don't care enough.  They don't understand how these things might affect them and in their bubble they have no reason to learn.  It's not a uniquely American thing.  Most people the world over just don't give a rat's ass about politics.  They'll say "oh yeah that's a great idea" just like when you ask them about the deficit.  But when it comes to the nitty gritty details of slashing this or raising that tax you're going to run into opposition guaranteed. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 28, 2012, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
I'm not sure if my views are really that unpopular. When you lack the representation, of course it's not going to seem popular, because most people don't even know about it. Then again, I'm all for scaling down the military funding, pumping more into the sciences, education, and nasa. I know a lot of people are for more a more powerful military, as defensive measures, so maybe you're right.
You might catch people who agree with it in theory but as I said, they don't care enough.  They don't understand how these things might affect them and in their bubble they have no reason to learn.  It's not a uniquely American thing.  Most people the world over just don't give a rat's ass about politics.  They'll say "oh yeah that's a great idea" just like when you ask them about the deficit.  But when it comes to the nitty gritty details of slashing this or raising that tax you're going to run into opposition guaranteed.

Honestly, I think voting is like going to college. Most people only do it because they feel pressured into it rather than because they think will get any real, tangible benefit from it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
If you want to look at how a fringe movement can influence a major party and have a serious impact on policy discussion in the US, you need to look at the Tea Party.  They did what was necessary- took a more extreme viewpoint of one of the major parties, identified how to infiltrate and influence the power structure and make people in the party beholden to them, then applied leverage.  THAT'S HOW YOU DO IT.  You don't do it by whining about wanting to be in debates.  You don't do it by sitting in a goddamn park for months on end and having drum circles, you stupid fucking hippies.  And you sure as fuck don't do it by voting for a vanity candidate that's never going to win and even if, all of a sudden she was receiving massive support and had a credible chance to win, would be a massively unqualified person to hold the office. 

No.  Co-opting existing power structures is how to do it, you fucking moron.  Want to have a seat at the table and have your views represented?  Organize within the Democratic party power structure for fucks sakes.  Pull a Grover Norquist and make it impossible for them to ignore you.  Have purity purges and primary challenges for people who don't vote the way you want them to within the party. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
This rant ignores the inconvenient truth that the Tea Partiers were all basically Republicans beforehand, but still they were able to freak out and impose their no surrender, no compromise bullshit onto the entire party by freaking out because zomg black man in the white house! but FUCKING STILL, this is better advice if you genuinely care about this horseshit than voting for a vanity 3rd party candidate.  And I should know motherfucker, I voted for Nader TWICE.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
So you voted for Bush then, COG.  FUCKING FANTASTIC! 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 28, 2012, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on September 28, 2012, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
I'm not sure if my views are really that unpopular. When you lack the representation, of course it's not going to seem popular, because most people don't even know about it. Then again, I'm all for scaling down the military funding, pumping more into the sciences, education, and nasa. I know a lot of people are for more a more powerful military, as defensive measures, so maybe you're right.
You might catch people who agree with it in theory but as I said, they don't care enough.  They don't understand how these things might affect them and in their bubble they have no reason to learn.  It's not a uniquely American thing.  Most people the world over just don't give a rat's ass about politics.  They'll say "oh yeah that's a great idea" just like when you ask them about the deficit.  But when it comes to the nitty gritty details of slashing this or raising that tax you're going to run into opposition guaranteed.

Honestly, I think voting is like going to college. Most people only do it because they feel pressured into it rather than because they think will get any real, tangible benefit from it.
Jobs aren't real tangible benefits?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2012, 05:54:44 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:42:36 PM
So you voted for Bush then, COG.  FUCKING FANTASTIC!

:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
Triumph's right.  I don't have an ideological preference for how to achieve reform, but using a major party has an infinitely better track record in modern US history than third parties, radical activism, etc.  The New Deal, the Great Society, the Reagan tax cuts, civil rights legislation, the Clean Air and Water Acts, the Americans with Disabilities Act, pretty much everything has been achieved either by making it an important goal for one of the parties, or by creating a public consensus across the parties (both of which are happening, at different speeds, with gay rights).


And Mups is right about support being squishy.  There are a ton of issues where you can find great support in the polls, but where the respondents don't really care that much and they're giving a gut reaction to the question you asked.  Which is why you can word a question differently and get widely varying results.

The key test is how many people you can get to really believe in an issue and treat it as a priority, and then when it's time to try to get it passed, how much public support you can maintain in the face of attacks from the opposition.  You have to assume that any reforms you try to pass are going to be attacked viciously and dishonestly (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/09/24/120924fa_fact_lepore), and you'll need to mobilize a ton of pressure from your own side to overcome that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2012, 08:29:10 PM
I forgot about this from tbogg in 2008, but it seems topical!

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/02/25/your-mumia-sweatshirt-wont-get-you-into-heaven-anymore/

Quote
Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.

You don’t live there.

Grow the fuck up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 28, 2012, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on September 28, 2012, 05:53:35 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on September 28, 2012, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on September 28, 2012, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on September 28, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
I'm not sure if my views are really that unpopular. When you lack the representation, of course it's not going to seem popular, because most people don't even know about it. Then again, I'm all for scaling down the military funding, pumping more into the sciences, education, and nasa. I know a lot of people are for more a more powerful military, as defensive measures, so maybe you're right.
You might catch people who agree with it in theory but as I said, they don't care enough.  They don't understand how these things might affect them and in their bubble they have no reason to learn.  It's not a uniquely American thing.  Most people the world over just don't give a rat's ass about politics.  They'll say "oh yeah that's a great idea" just like when you ask them about the deficit.  But when it comes to the nitty gritty details of slashing this or raising that tax you're going to run into opposition guaranteed.

Honestly, I think voting is like going to college. Most people only do it because they feel pressured into it rather than because they think will get any real, tangible benefit from it.
Jobs aren't real tangible benefits?

Yes every candidate says they'll make more jobs. But the methods that they propose can be completely different and I don't think the average voter assumes they have a good understanding of how effective each solution is (or isn't). They just trust that politicians will figure it out for them.

Most people are usually middle-of-the-road on social issues (guns, abortion, gay marriage) but can be easily swayed to an extreme on complicated problems like economic or foreign policy. It takes a lot more information to make an informed decision on those things.

Therefore, people just go with their biases. I think.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2012, 09:31:01 PM
I'm pretty sure he meant as a benefit from college
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 28, 2012, 10:29:20 PM
Tons of people get a degree with no idea what they want to actually do as a career. And often they go into something totally unrelated to their degree. Wasn't Boogie a history major?

Yes, a diploma is better than none on your resume but as a society, we do push kids into college often before they know what direction they want to go in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2012, 11:19:45 PM
think i'm gonna skip this page
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 28, 2012, 11:26:27 PM
i think its time for an updated/revised version of this:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=18904.msg460364#msg460364
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2012, 01:17:24 AM
Nice addition to the topic at hand, PT. Keep fucking those chickens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 29, 2012, 07:33:46 AM
any time, buddy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 30, 2012, 05:49:05 PM
Romney Adviser John Sununu complains that Obama didn't kill Bin Laden fast enough. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/09/top-romney-adviser-whines-about-obama.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 30, 2012, 06:44:42 PM
I've pretty much retired from politics threads but even still I'll dip into to admit how both happy and surprised at how much Romney has been in self destruction mode recently. He doesn't seem to understand that the things you go on Rush Limbaugh and say are different than the things you say to actual Americans as general discourse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM66-SxHDu0

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 30, 2012, 07:10:16 PM
What, he's only been pimping his plan for a mere 3 years.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2012, 07:16:35 PM
"It's revenue neutral."

"It's about you keeping more of your money in your pocketbook."

Now, how is that supposed to work?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2012, 10:15:42 PM
Closing secret Loopholes, duh. Paul Ryan has given you people all you need to know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2012, 03:22:18 AM
Yahoo News had that Ryan quote in their headline. Hopefully that'll get a lot of use from the Obama campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2012, 03:34:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5cAwTEEGNE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2012, 04:02:56 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2012, 03:34:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5cAwTEEGNE

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/race-based-romney-speak
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2012, 11:45:19 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/the-responses-to-why-i-refuse-to-vote-for-barack-obama/263057/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2012, 11:52:30 AM
Has my brother Ta-Nehisi Coates commented on that article? btw I didn't read it and skipped the debate here, but lemme give you my two cents anyway. If people can't vote for Obama based on civil liberties, so be it. I just hope they use the same standard for all major candidates, meaning they'll likely never vote to re-elect a modern president because drones are here to stay.

Are there people who instead base their votes on issues that are more immediate to them, like taxes, jobs, food stamps, etc? Yes, and they often vote practically. But I'd imagine someone who writes for The Atlantic isn't worrying about that stuff, and can instead vote based on whatever is the most important issue to them.

ie I plead the Stony Masonth

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2012, 12:00:57 PM
Coates hasn't commented on the original article. Also, your argument is a strawman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2012, 12:03:42 PM
ok
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 01, 2012, 12:11:04 PM
In any case, I think the original article and his follow up and all the rebuttals in between are worth reading.

From the latest article:

Quote
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Many more correspondents disagreed with the notion of dealbreakers. They insisted that it's irrational to have them in a two-party system, where the proper way to vote is to choose the least bad option.

Although that isn't my theory of voting, it is a perfectly defensible one. My problem is that I just don't believe very many Democrats actually hold it. As I noted at the beginning of my piece, "Tell certain liberals and progressives that you can't bring yourself to vote for a candidate who opposes gay rights, or who doesn't believe in Darwinian evolution, and they'll nod along. Say that you'd never vote for a politician caught using the 'n'-word, even if you agreed with him on more policy issues than his opponent, and the vast majority of left-leaning Americans would understand."
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Neither the left-of-center coalition nor the social circles of its various members include many Pakistani families from North Warzistan. Saying the deaths of innocent children there is wrong and regrettable, but not a dealbreaker, is a much more comfortable thing to do on a typical left-leaning blog than saying you'd vote for a president despite the fact that he uses vile anti-Mexican slurs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2012, 12:13:25 PM
Conor is a total and complete stooge for the Koch brothers, and as has been pointed out you are dwelling in a pretend land where your bullshit is apparently gumdrops and sunbeams to your eyes, himumu.  Grow the fuck up and settle for the least shitty option available to you- it's what being an adult is all about, you self-entitled fuckwad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2012, 12:48:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEdKqbqCGnc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 01, 2012, 01:16:23 PM
Ugh that evolution/nicca comparison.

First, it's a straw man.  "I've talked to liberals who said this, but now other liberals are saying something else.  Since I can assign you other people's opinions via the Transitive Property of Political Bullshitting, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?"

Second, the liberal who drew that line would be wrong.  Denying badly needed support to those who can least afford it because of what the guy says about evolution?  As much as creationism offends my effete coastal sensibilities, that's the definition of the privileged selfishness that Loomis was talking about.

Third, it's pretty much cost-free for a Democrat to draw that line in the sand, because they know there's a 99.9% chance they'll never have to think about crossing it.  A liberal in 2012 saying they won't vote for a racist, homophobic, young Earther is like a vegan "boycotting" Chik Fil-A.  Context makes all the difference, and when your chosen issue is one where you're opposing a deeply entrenched consensus, then you are making a decision to abstain from mainstream electoral politics over the long haul, which is a pretty big f'n deal when you're reckoning with how to change policy.



What I haven't heard in all this discussion is a plausible alternative route for activists.  "I'm not voting for Obama, cause he does Bad Things."  So instead, you're going to do X, which will lead to Y through the mechanism Z.  Please solve for the variables, specify any exogenous parameters, and try to stay within the historical data.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2012, 01:22:36 PM
I'm writing in Mickey Mouse. Take that, Obummer!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 01, 2012, 01:31:43 PM
You would have to assume that the drone war would only escalate under GOP control. That's why they aren't trashing the president on it, they're just trying to point out liberal hypocrisy. And who knows more about liberal position than conservatives. They'll even make one up about you to fit a narrative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2012, 03:06:07 PM
It would be nice if the choice in November was "Drones" and "No drones," but it isn't. At best it's "Drones" and "Drones." Voting against Obama because of drone attacks is pointless because drone attacks aren't even an issue. Obama's not talking about them, Romney's not talking about them. They're accepted reality by both parties and the views of both candidates on the issue are virtually identical. So, you've only got two real options here if you want to stop drone attacks: get both candidates talking about them and hope that their views eventually diverge or you can start pushing it as an issue at the local level and hope those candidates who oppose it win and slowly push it up the political chain of command. Voting against Obama because of drone attacks isn't going to stop drone attacks, plain and simple.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
In a two party system it has always been the lesser of two evils and in a hundred years at least in America it will always be a lesser of two evils choice. Two party systems mean big tent parties with broad positions. When people draw their line in the sands, it tends to say more about their maturity level when it comes to American politics.

In full disclosure I didn't vote for John Kerry in 2004 exactly because I made one of those draw a line in the sand declarations. My only real saving excuse at the time being in the state I was in at that time, Kerry was going to win it no matter what. If it was close I would have voted for him despite not really being a fan of him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 01, 2012, 03:46:23 PM
The needle moves for both parties, no doubt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2012, 03:47:37 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 01, 2012, 03:44:29 PM
In a two party system it has always been the lesser of two evils and in a hundred years at least in America it will always be a lesser of two evils choice. Two party systems mean big tent parties which broad positions. When people draw their line in the sands, it tends to say more about their maturity level when it comes to American politics.

In full disclosure I didn't vote for John Kerry in 2004 exactly because I made one of those draw a line in the sand declarations. My only real saving excuse at the time being in the state I was in at that time, Kerry was going to win it no matter what. If it was close I would have voted for him despite not really being a fan of him.

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 01, 2012, 04:45:01 PM
CNN's latest poll shows Bams and Willard in a statistical tie.  In other news, CNN is still pathetic and useless.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 01, 2012, 04:45:01 PM
CNN's latest poll shows Bams and Willard in a statistical tie.  In other news, CNN is still pathetic and useless.

Literally this morning, I was watching Fox & Friends scoff SCOFF at the notion that the media "couldn't wait for a Mitt rebound". Of course they knew the truth, that the librul media loves Obama and is out to get Mitt, and that those dirty commies at CNN would have no interest in the higher ratings they get by making this thing a horse race.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 02, 2012, 02:22:29 PM
in which David Brooks retreats in to the fantasy of a Real Mitt Romney (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/opinion/brooks-the-opening-statement.html?ref=davidbrooks&_r=0)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 02:29:25 PM
Not enough zingers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2012, 02:48:41 PM
I swear Brooks has used this fanfic setup before.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 03:02:23 PM
David Brooks needs to put his writing talents to better use: Romney and Obama interracial slash fiction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:52:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Oap-FCEAAO_55.jpg:large)
Mitt Romney swings by Chipotle for a photo op
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 02, 2012, 03:57:15 PM
Hearing Seattle conservatards get all bent outta shape over Michelle coming here to raise money- so obnoxious. I like how they rail against her raising funds the old fashioned way- but no one wants to talk about shadow donations from individuals that want to bend the country to their will.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
wait, why are they upset...? She's not allowed to campaign/raise money now? Or is this a "grrrr my work commute will be fucked up by Michelle's motorcade" attack
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2012, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:52:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Oap-FCEAAO_55.jpg:large)
Mitt Romney swings by Chipotle for a photo op

lesbian hand holding cropped out
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2012, 04:09:59 PM
We need that guy's face as an emoticon. :lol

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
wait, why are they upset...? She's not allowed to campaign/raise money now? Or is this a "grrrr my work commute will be fucked up by Michelle's motorcade" attack

"I wonder how many millions our tax dollars they're spending on THIS trip? Ridiculous."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2012, 04:10:41 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2012, 04:04:11 PM
Quote from: Eric P on October 02, 2012, 03:52:28 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4Oap-FCEAAO_55.jpg:large)
Mitt Romney swings by Chipotle for a photo op

lesbian hand holding cropped out


But the gang sign was left in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 02, 2012, 04:31:29 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 02, 2012, 03:57:15 PM
Hearing Seattle conservatards get all bent outta shape over Michelle coming here to raise money- so obnoxious. I like how they rail against her raising funds the old fashioned way- but no one wants to talk about shadow donations from individuals that want to bend the country to their will.

At work, or were you listening to Dori Monson?  ;)

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2012, 03:59:45 PM
wait, why are they upset...? She's not allowed to campaign/raise money now? Or is this a "grrrr my work commute will be fucked up by Michelle's motorcade" attack

We've also got a Mariners game and Madonna concert tonight to fuck up traffic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
:drudge JEREMIAH WRIGHT :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2012, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
:drudge JEREMIAH WRIGHT :drudge

Is this a confirmed Jeremiah Wright sighting, or just that conditions are right for a Jeremiah Wright to form?

Edit: LOL, wait so the video's been on Youtube since 2007, but now it's an EXCLUSIVE OBAMA SHOCKER, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2012, 10:23:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTNeOwa81UI

holy shit Hannity's black voice is like Michael Scott's
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 02, 2012, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 02, 2012, 10:15:32 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 02, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
:drudge JEREMIAH WRIGHT :drudge

Is this a confirmed Jeremiah Wright sighting, or just that conditions are right for a Jeremiah Wright to form?

Edit: LOL, wait so the video's been on Youtube since 2007, but now it's an EXCLUSIVE OBAMA SHOCKER, THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING? :lol

Quote from: TPM
But the Associated Press covered the speech (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2007-06-05-2605804428_x.htm). Brian Williams mentioned (http://newsbusters.org/node/13244) it that night on his NBC News broadcast. Maureen Dowd referred to it the next day in her New York Times column (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/opinion/06dowd.html).

LOLOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2012, 10:47:08 PM
The Romney camp is so desperate for a "47%" moment of their own, I guess they'll give anything a shot. First the "Obama Redistribution" video, now this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
my long thoughts on this shit: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42790740&postcount=16829

TL DR: surprise, Obama is a liberal who supports urban development and recognizes the impact white flight had on inner cities. And the Katrina stuff? I don't think republicans want to re-litigate that disaster and the racial implications throughout it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 03, 2012, 12:20:34 AM
(http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017d3c75b689970c-550wi)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Tucker Carlson is really trying to hammer this video home. He just can't believe no one gives a shit.

After a 5 year smear campaign by the right, it seems more and more people are seeing through this bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 01:51:50 PM
I can't wait for Drudge to discover which terrorist Obama has been "palling around" with.  This could be a gamechanger!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 01:59:26 PM
This is what happens when you spend 4+ years crying wolf and demonizing a guy who is actually a decent person and an okay President. People eventually tune you out and find it more difficult to believe what you say:

Quote from: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/polls-show-romneys-47-percent-moment-breaking-through-you-didnt-build-that-fizzling.php?ref=fpa
At least as discouraging, for Republicans, however, is that Romney’s favorite Obama quote — “You didn’t build that” — isn’t even a net drag for the president. After hearing his comments, voters reacted positively by a 36-32 margin overall, and independents and “up for grabs” voters actually approved of them by slightly higher margins.

Romney bet big on attacks built around the snippet, devoting not only millions of dollars in ads but an entire day of the Republican convention to the theme. Its failure to turn the polls may point to larger problems with the GOP strategy of using Obama’s own words against him. A focus group of undecided voters conducted by former Haley Barbour’s firm found that they were resistant to judging Obama by his quotes in comparison to Romney, often because they assumed they were taken out of context.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
Just thought I'd leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 03, 2012, 02:13:14 PM
What exactly does it say about the GOP that they keep bringing up Reverand Wright every chance they get? Not joking around, I'm serious. You'd think after the first three or four times that it didn't work they'd get it, but here we are with the 20th time they've pulled this card.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 03, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
It says they've got a bad case of the blahs (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pennlive.com%2Fmidstate%2Findex.ssf%2F2012%2F01%2Frick_santorum_says_hes_against.html&ei=vYlsUMWVI5T9yAG-xoCoCg&usg=AFQjCNFv1oAeIzy_qtrj9NJN7-Dko2y8YA&sig2=UsxbdtqvB99gnOYGYUGunA)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 07:04:06 PM
http://www.wnd.com/files/Focusletter.pdf

how did I miss this in 2008  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 02:06:13 PM
Just thought I'd leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

6 years later I guess I'm the only person who still didn't find this performance impressive. I agree that partisan hackery sucks but Stewart didn't do much of anything to highlight this. Just vague generalizations, and the few specific charges were wrong (ie Carlson and Begala going to the spin room after the debate).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 03, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
the point is it got crossfire canceled
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 03, 2012, 07:36:48 PM
Your crusade against Jon Stewart is cute, but PT's right.  He went on a show, told them they sucked, and then they got cancelled.  Plus Carlson's never recovered; he's like a hobo who got a bad concussion which was never treated.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 07:37:11 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 03, 2012, 07:19:48 PM
the point is it got crossfire canceled

And it was 8 years ago, and PD won't admit shit about Stewart in a positive light because it would ruin an entire career of concern trolling.  But whatever.  Obvious troll is obvious.

edit: fuck, beaten by Mandark by 23 fuckin' seconds.  FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
I don't hate on Stewart! I think he's funny, I just also think he pretty much sucks when he tries to play serious
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 07:43:19 PM
Are you guys ready for the media talkin' bout ZINGERS?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 08:32:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 07:04:06 PM
http://www.wnd.com/files/Focusletter.pdf

how did I miss this in 2008  :lol

The part about military policy is hilarious. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 08:48:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
I don't hate on Stewart! I think he's funny, I just also think he pretty much sucks when he tries to play serious

You always hate on Stewart wtf

When he plays SERIOUS serious and not IMMA JOKE BUT BE SEMI-SERIOUS, he's an amazing linguist and debater.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
LETS DO THIS SHIT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:00:57 PM
CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THOSE AMAZING ZINGERS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 09:05:09 PM
(http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Debate-drinking-game.jpeg)

Time to get shitty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:07:18 PM
Romney just congratulated Obama on his anniversary! Start drinking!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 09:08:30 PM
small businesses are job creators

I mean the rich are job creators

I mean
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:14:28 PM
Romney's WAY over, everybody's plastered in the first 10 minutes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:20:50 PM
"Millionaires and billionaires"

Drink!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 09:21:18 PM
millionaires and billionaires

edit: beaten.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 09:24:46 PM
Lehrer, you're a moderator, not an audience member.  good lord.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:25:17 PM
Romney's getting salty. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 03, 2012, 09:25:40 PM
BRING BACK GWEN IFILL YOU FUCKS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:27:58 PM
"Obamacare"

Drink!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:28:20 PM
Cutting PBS? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
romney is kicking obamas ass MY GOD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 09:29:37 PM
Fuck you mitt.  Just fuck you.

Cut ACA and PBS?  Eat cock.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 09:29:53 PM
oh goodness, now he's blaming the previous administration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
PBS is useless
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 09:31:19 PM
Poor Obama is getting shit on in this debate.  Doesn't matter if what Mitt is saying is bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 09:31:49 PM
obama is just talking nonsense. he keeps saying the same points that romney owned him already again and again (cuts to school)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 09:33:21 PM
ROMNEY IS OWNIN THIS MOTHAFUCKER WOW
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 03, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
SHUT UP CRACKER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 03, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 03, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
romney is kicking obamas ass MY GOD

Ron Paul supporter defaults to bog standard Republican once the chips are down?  Shokku!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 09:38:12 PM
holy shit romney owned him again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 09:45:06 PM
holy shit romney is trying to attack on medicare.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 09:47:09 PM
why am I not surprised that householmes is a libertardian
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on October 03, 2012, 09:47:52 PM
This old guy sounds like he is having a heart attack while trying to interrupt... lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 03, 2012, 09:48:19 PM
Not a happy panda. Maybe Ill wake up and the story will be the fact checkers eviscerating Romneys statements ala Ryans convention speech.

Or maybe Ill just start cutting myself
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:48:27 PM
"Evasive response to a s 'yes' or 'no' question"

Drink!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
It's a really shitty performance by Obama.  He's just reciting stuff at this point.  And he's stumbling over words.  Weird.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bud on October 03, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
the moderation is quite bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 09:52:07 PM
Quote from: bud on October 03, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
the moderation is quite bad.

Yeah, the moderator is constantly being trampled by Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 09:53:22 PM
NO NO LETS NOT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bud on October 03, 2012, 09:54:33 PM
the look on romney's face when obama's talking is incredible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
It's a really shitty performance by Obama.  He's just reciting stuff at this point.  And he's stumbling over words.  Weird.

Obama's not that into it but Romney is just spitting rhetoric that only speaks to his base.

oh and "obamacare", drink time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 09:59:32 PM
It's a tight debate where Romney is more charismatic with his performance but he's just flailing on details and specifics.  Obama is an awkward stutterer but he's got the facts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bud on October 03, 2012, 10:00:56 PM
"y-y-y-your minute is up."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2012, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: bud on October 03, 2012, 10:00:56 PM
"y-y-y-your minute is up, uguu~!."
              /
            /
:uguu



Also, DEATH PANELS!  :gun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
has obama had even 1 point so far? romney runnin dis show
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 10:08:05 PM
Ok, much better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
Romney's lengthy explanation of his healthcare plan explained absolutely nothing at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2012, 10:10:34 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 03, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
Romney's lengthy explanation of his healthcare plan explained absolutely nothing at all.

TL;DR: DIAF, sick people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2012, 10:11:25 PM
"Is Romney keeping his plans secret because they're too good?"

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
Romney just mentioned Reagan. Drink!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bud on October 03, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
"w-we're gonna move... b-but..."

holy shit, is this really happening?

i can't believe this guy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
OH GOD TIP O'NEILL AND RONALD REAGAN, BUTT CHUG A HANDLE OF GOLDEN GRAIN
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 10:12:41 PM
oh obama is making him squeel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
Romney just mentioned Reagan. Drink!

Obama went Abraham Lincoln, YOUR MOVE ROMNEY.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 10:16:00 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 03, 2012, 10:05:20 PM
has obama had even 1 point so far? romney runnin dis show

you're fucking awful
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 03, 2012, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
Romney just mentioned Reagan. Drink!

Obama went Abraham Lincoln, YOUR MOVE ROMNEY.

Romney just invoked GOD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 10:23:23 PM
Just say it, Mitt! Say "Solyndra"!! SAY ITTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 03, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
Hysteria on the internet, I am shocked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
DEFFFFICIT!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on October 03, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
Toledo shoutout #daps
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 03, 2012, 10:30:38 PM
Can we have a ban on talking about folks you met in swing states in the next debate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 10:31:39 PM
"12 million new jobs"

Drink!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 10:32:17 PM
Shitty debate format but pretty tight.  I'd say Romney came out as the winner but Obama was calm throughout, albeit tame.

The shitty thing for Romney?  This was the debate that he absolutely had to hit out of the park (which I think he did very well close to that), and it's the first one.  Obama's going to poop on Romney in foreign policy, which happens to be the last debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 03, 2012, 10:32:49 PM
obama has a stronger stupid line on CNN than romney in closing remarks.

I think Romney won overall but who knows what polling will say.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 03, 2012, 10:33:22 PM
obama got OWNED
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bud on October 03, 2012, 10:34:36 PM
cnn's doing "a scientific poll."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2012, 10:43:01 PM
Quote from: Eschaton on October 03, 2012, 10:34:45 PM
Vague asshole versus rambling pussy. Which one do you like better?

.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 03, 2012, 10:44:17 PM
Regardless of all the issues everyone had with the debate, I think Romney surprised a lot of people tonight, PBS slip aside. Everyone was so sure he'd be sucker-punched into an easy defeat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2012, 10:44:31 PM
Who hired this guy to moderate the debate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 03, 2012, 10:47:30 PM
It was getting ridiculous. I really thought Lehrer was going to keep everyone in check. Even Romney recognized how ineffectual he was and almost terminated him on the spot (I.E. OUT OF HABIT LOL).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2012, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 03, 2012, 10:47:30 PM
It was getting ridiculous. I really thought Lehrer was going to keep everyone in check. Even Romney recognized how ineffectual he was and almost terminated him on the spot (I.E. OUT OF HABIT LOL).

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
I don't think moderators would get pad by anyone.

Of the three debates, this was the one that Romney was going to do the best in yet he's going to get torn to shreds by fact-checkers for the next week.

The next debate is the vp one and I don't think Ryan has any chance in that. Then the town hall which might bring out Romney's charisma problem, and then the foreign policy which is going to be pretty brutal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2012, 10:49:37 PM
Biden is going to destroy Ryan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on October 03, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Romney killed it.

I knew Obama sucked at debates but wow, this is bad. We're looking at President Romney if this keeps up.

FUCKING LOL

someone hasn't been following the math and swing state polling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 10:53:57 PM
"Hello friend, that's a beauty of a Republican candidate you're looking at there. Cuts taxes like nobody's business, that one. And did I mention that it hates welfare? Well it does. Runs over welfare like THAT. Comes with free bootstraps to pull yourself up by, too.

Medicare? Social Security? Doesn't that just seem so... unimportant, friend? So, tell me- what's it going to take to get YOU into this fine piece of GOP machinery today?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2012, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 03, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on October 03, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Romney killed it.

I knew Obama sucked at debates but wow, this is bad. We're looking at President Romney if this keeps up.

FUCKING LOL

someone hasn't been following the math and swing state polling

To be fair, that was pre-debates. Romney could still be a threat unfortunately and in order for your idea to work, those poll numbers are going to have to turn into actual votes which isn't really guaranteed to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 11:01:04 PM
Obama got his ass kicked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 11:05:22 PM
oh PD.  no he didn't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 03, 2012, 11:06:24 PM
I want my two hours back.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 11:07:10 PM
I wouldn't say "he got his ass kicked" but he certainly didn't win, and for the first half of the debate or so he really looked shitty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
Brand New, Obama is not new to craven politics, so please stop defending him. Romney, while having more holes in his debate than me at the end of a friday night, took advantage of Obama and had his way with him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 11:10:00 PM
As with most things, people will talk about this endlessly, there will be back-slapping and hand-wringing in equal parts, and then very little of substance will actually emerge from it all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 03, 2012, 11:10:02 PM
Not really, he had no details and was just stroking himself with vague statements everytime he talked. Romney's performance in the debate will be judged over the next week as we see all the holes pointed out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 03, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 03, 2012, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 03, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: Ruzbeh on October 03, 2012, 10:33:46 PM
Romney killed it.

I knew Obama sucked at debates but wow, this is bad. We're looking at President Romney if this keeps up.

FUCKING LOL

someone hasn't been following the math and swing state polling

To be fair, that was pre-debates. Romney could still be a threat unfortunately and in order for your idea to work, those poll numbers are going to have to turn into actual votes which isn't really guaranteed to happen.

Historically debates have mattered very little when it comes to swaying the electorate, and this is a particularly polarized electorate with fewer undecideds then in the recent past.  If Obama merely maintains the level of performance he put out tonight he will still be easily favored to win the election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 11:15:08 PM
Remember those stories about aides trying to get Obama to shorten his answers during prep debates? Well, clearly he didn't listen. At all.

I thought Obama made Romney look like a fool on Medicare, but that was it. He let Romney say whatever he wanted
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2012, 11:17:22 PM
The real shocker was that it was fucking ROMNEY who pulled out the "you're not entitled to your own facts" line.  I mean, Jesus.  After lying for like an hour and 15 minutes, to say that?  The man clearly has balls the size of Siberia. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 03, 2012, 11:10:02 PM
Not really, he had no details and was just stroking himself with vague statements everytime he talked. Romney's performance in the debate will be judged over the next week as we see all the holes pointed out.

It's already started:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-backs-away-from-own-tax-plan.php?ref=fpb
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-ill-cover-pre-existing-conditions-obama-no-you-wont.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
This is also Obama's weakest topic of all the debates, and all intelligent peeps thought this debate would be close.  I actually expected Romney to win, and Obama didn't get killed out there.  Obama was detailed, Romney was sweeping.  In the next few days, the fact-checkers will pounce on Romney and some ads will be made.

Obama probably realizes he played it too safe, but honestly, this was the debate to do so.  I think he'll be more aware and aggressive for the next two debates, especially the third.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2012, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: Eschaton on October 03, 2012, 10:34:45 PM
Vague asshole versus rambling pussy. Which one do you like better?

The real winners are the ones that didn't watch this snoozefest. :zzz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 03, 2012, 11:22:13 PM
Quote from: Atramental on October 03, 2012, 11:06:24 PM
I want my two hours back.  :-\

I got so bored I went and took a shit halfway through, bringing along a copy of an EGM from '92. Reading speculation about the SEGA CD and seeing ads for shitty Acclaim games from the 90's was much more interesting.

Still voting for BHO but I just haven't been too big into politics lately. Sick of seeing and hearing Mitt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on October 03, 2012, 11:24:52 PM
Dvr'd it lol. Watched first 20 and thought "this will be a trainwreck."

Looked to Internet, see I am pretty much right. Gonna jump straight into spin and/or fact chex! :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
PD in full effect on gaf, it's lovely  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2012, 11:30:18 PM
Quote from: Akala on October 03, 2012, 11:24:52 PM
Gonna jump straight into spin and/or fact chex! :hyper

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/romneys-big-night/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 03, 2012, 11:25:47 PM
PD in full effect on gaf, it's lovely  :lol
Quote
@BuzzFeedAndrew
CNN poll 67% of voters say Romney won only 22% say Obama won.

every poll showing Romney won, clearly. Keep spinning bro
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 11:37:35 PM
When have snap polls meant anything?

They don't mean dick.  Especially when you're citing CNN who is the concern troll Phoenix Dark of MSM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 03, 2012, 11:43:14 PM
What if Romney was running a clusterfuck campaign for the past month so that he could win "the expectations game" come debate night?!  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 03, 2012, 11:47:04 PM
Just like vice presidents, debates don't mean shit. I can't believe all the calories that are burned discussing them. In 3 weeks it will be totally forgotten.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 11:47:34 PM
So TA you still think this election has been over since may?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 03, 2012, 11:52:18 PM
Since March/April. Once I saw the demo problem Romney had in some midwestern states (during the primaries) I knew he was fucked with women and many white men making less than 50k.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
bad news for obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 04, 2012, 12:01:04 AM
So this is what BrandNew looks like in political threads.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 12:04:10 AM
Since presidential politics is mostly taking credit/assessing blame for things you actually had little control over, Obama needs to start shoving this down Republicans throats.

(http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/oiljobs.jpg)


Although, I guess it could backfire and make all the limp-wristed greenies throw a fit and become apathetic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: Shaka Khan on October 04, 2012, 12:01:04 AM
So this is what BrandNew looks like in political threads.

to be fair this is what I look like in drunk threads as well
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 04, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 03, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
Brand New, Obama is not new to craven politics, so please stop defending him. Romney, while having more holes in his debate than me at the end of a friday night, took advantage of Obama and had his way with him.

What do you mean by you have holes in you at the end of a friday night?  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
PD you need to pull out the Hillary card (ie. "Hillary wouldn't have lost that debate") in Poligaf. They will lose their shit.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbckx1vOd71qzt1yyo1_400.png)


edit: Thank you, kind sir. I can go to bed now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 04, 2012, 01:02:24 AM
I am so glad I outsourced all my electoral horserace assessments to the big numbers on the right panel of the 538 blog. They will tell me what to think tomorrow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 04, 2012, 02:04:00 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 04, 2012, 12:34:31 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 03, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
Brand New, Obama is not new to craven politics, so please stop defending him. Romney, while having more holes in his debate than me at the end of a friday night, took advantage of Obama and had his way with him.

What do you mean by you have holes in you at the end of a friday night?  ???

 :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2012, 03:28:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 11:15:08 PM
Remember those stories about aides trying to get Obama to shorten his answers during prep debates? Well, clearly he didn't listen. At all.

You finally saw Street Fight, right?  Remember the part where the adviser is prepping Booker for the debate and telling him not to get bogged down in explanations, but to just hit his talking point and move on?  Then he says "I still think I should give a little explanation, get the real facts out there, but still keep it short..." and after he leaves the adviser rolls her eyes and says something like "he's going to blow it."

Haven't watched the debate, but that was always sort of Obama's MO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 04, 2012, 06:38:43 AM
Um, after actually watching the whole debate, I'm gonna have to disagree with much of the blogosphere. After seeing Chris Matthews' meltdown, I thought Obama was gonna be shitting his pants every five minutes. But he came off as competent at the very least, with only a few missed opportunities (rebutting the $700 billion medicare cut thing).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 04, 2012, 03:28:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2012, 11:15:08 PM
Remember those stories about aides trying to get Obama to shorten his answers during prep debates? Well, clearly he didn't listen. At all.

You finally saw Street Fight, right?  Remember the part where the adviser is prepping Booker for the debate and telling him not to get bogged down in explanations, but to just hit his talking point and move on?  Then he says "I still think I should give a little explanation, get the real facts out there, but still keep it short..." and after he leaves the adviser rolls her eyes and says something like "he's going to blow it."

Haven't watched the debate, but that was always sort of Obama's MO.

Yup great doc. But Obama actually blew it this time. He did similar stuff against Hillary but it was never a resounding loss. I rewatched the first debate with McCain and Obama rambled but also had many clear answers. The problem here is that Obama has to defend his record in nuanced terms. It's not like Clinton in 1996 who could just say "I cut the deficit and created 10 million jobs, boom." So he had to give longer answers compared to Romney who could simply rely on talking points. But Obama also spent a lot of time making abstract points that didn't connect, while Romney was talking about how high taxes hurt small businesses. That's not a good contrast
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2012, 08:55:46 AM
Biden Implores Obama To 'Rub One Out' Before Debate
'Don't Want Pussy On The Mind Out There,' Reports Vice President
OCTOBER 3, 2012 | ISSUE 48•40

DENVER—Noting that tonight’s debate against Mitt Romney would last a full hour and a half, Vice President Joe Biden reportedly urged President Obama to “rub one out” so that he could “get pussy off the mind” before taking the stage at 9 p.m. Eastern time. “Look, Barry, you need to keep your head in the game up there, and you sure as shit can’t focus if you’ve got a full load flaring up inside you,” said Biden, telling Obama he should feel free to think about the first lady, “Jill [Biden], or whoever pops into your head while you’re polishing the ol’ Capitol dome.” “Hell, I must’ve yanked the crank a good eight or nine times before my debate with Sarah Palin back in ’08…and a few times after, too, if you catch my drift.” At press time, sources reported seeing the president enter a private bathroom with Biden’s “rare and always reliable” January 1979 edition of Playboy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 04, 2012, 08:57:35 AM
I thought it was funny at the end how Romney got the last word in saying that if the prez is re-elected Amurica is doomed..... and then they all shook hands. Ann Romney stood up next to Michelle Obama and had a look on her face like she was too close to some black poors.

I thought Romney did fine. Except for the $700b medicaid bullshit. I can't believe he thinks people still buy that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 04, 2012, 06:38:43 AM
Um, after actually watching the whole debate, I'm gonna have to disagree with much of the blogosphere. After seeing Chris Matthews' meltdown, I thought Obama was gonna be shitting his pants every five minutes. But he came off as competent at the very least, with only a few missed opportunities (rebutting the $700 billion medicare cut thing).

Yeah, I saw maybe 60 percent of it, and if I was convinced that the election hinged entirely on debate style points, I'd probably give the nod to Mittens. But overall, I didn't think it was some landslide. Yeah, Romney was certainly convincing if the goal was simply to assure people that he had the moxie needed to turn things around, but clearly the only substance to any of that amounted to "there's more than one way to skin a cat!" And Obama was Obama. So, yeah, if you start with the caveat of "facts schmacts!" then Romney wins. But I don't buy into the "Romney killed it while Obama came off like an incompetent, rambling boob" narrative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: lordmaji on October 04, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Damn, that scary Ted Bundy looking cracker is intense... He's going to rape American and toss it in a ditch. :lol Silly honkeys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 04, 2012, 10:59:05 AM
http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/404175
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2012, 01:48:43 PM
This certainly didn't take long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5m1NxffEs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2012, 01:48:43 PM
This certainly didn't take long:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5m1NxffEs

What a shameful ad. Mitt could not have been more clear about how he was going to do it by explicitly spelling out that he was going to eliminate non-specific loopholes. What more does Obama want?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
There's also this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZniwrAwZGY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 04, 2012, 02:14:16 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 04, 2012, 10:59:05 AM
http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/404175

They only aired half of this on last weeks Weekend Update. The full version loses its focus near the end but still pretty good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
Quote
I'm going to say something controversial here," Gore began. "Obama arrived in Denver at 2 pm today, just a few hours before the debate started. Romney did his debate prep in Denver.

"When you go to five thousand feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know," Gore said, as other panelists in the post-debate discussion chimed in.


 :spin Current TV

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 04, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
Quote
I'm going to say something controversial here," Gore began. "Obama arrived in Denver at 2 pm today, just a few hours before the debate started. Romney did his debate prep in Denver.

"When you go to five thousand feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know," Gore said, as other panelists in the post-debate discussion chimed in.


 :spin Current TV

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 04, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
Quote from:  @BigBird
Yo Mitt Romney, Sesame Street is brought to you today by the letters F & U! #debates #SupportBigBird
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2012, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
Quote
I'm going to say something controversial here," Gore began. "Obama arrived in Denver at 2 pm today, just a few hours before the debate started. Romney did his debate prep in Denver.

"When you go to five thousand feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know," Gore said, as other panelists in the post-debate discussion chimed in.


 :spin Current TV

 :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
:spin Current TV

As wacky as that sounds, there are people that really think that the elevation messes with you. I've only really only vacationed in the mountains once, but one time I went to Breckenridge (a ski resort town about an hour and a half out of Denver), and I was really confused by some of the things going on. For one, there were oxygen bars that otherwise healthy people would go to to get hooked up to oxygen tanks because, apparently, some people don't react well to less oxygen in the higher altitudes. Also, there were a few cautions that one alcoholic drink would hit you about as hard as three would at sea level.

Personally, it all seemed like malarkey to me. But, I'm no expert on the matter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 04, 2012, 02:51:02 PM
Ummm, you're kidding right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
No. A quick Google search shows that it's an often-repeated claim. However, its validity -- as expected since I myself drank and didn't anecdotally notice anything amiss -- seems in doubt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/health/02real.html?_r=0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 04, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jebDlVAcpGo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 04, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 02:47:26 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2012, 02:18:55 PM
:spin Current TV

As wacky as that sounds, there are people that really think that the elevation messes with you. I've only really only vacationed in the mountains once, but one time I went to Breckenridge (a ski resort town about an hour and a half out of Denver), and I was really confused by some of the things going on. For one, there were oxygen bars that otherwise healthy people would go to to get hooked up to oxygen tanks because, apparently, some people don't react well to less oxygen in the higher altitudes. Also, there were a few cautions that one alcoholic drink would hit you about as hard as three would at sea level.

Personally, it all seemed like malarkey to me. But, I'm no expert on the matter.

I worked at a ski resort after university and i remember that was one of the reasons people as listed why we were all perpetually sick with something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 04, 2012, 03:09:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 02:55:49 PM
No. A quick Google search shows that it's an often-repeated claim. However, its validity -- as expected since I myself drank and didn't anecdotally notice anything amiss -- seems in doubt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/health/02real.html?_r=0
Oh, the alcohol thing.  Yeah, that's probably BS.  But altitude sickness is a very real thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 04, 2012, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2012, 03:09:42 PM
Oh, the alcohol thing.  Yeah, that's probably BS.  But altitude sickness is a very real thing.

Oh, yeah. However, I would argue that -- and I could be off -- but isn't altitude sickness mainly applicable for periods during and shortly after quick ascents and descents? It's highly doubtful that a guy who flies as often as Obama does was really suffering from debilitating altitude sickness at Denver's 5,000 ft. altitude hours after arrival.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2012, 04:50:48 PM
maybe bams has a sickle cell trait.  that's why ryan clark can't play at bronco games because the high elevation and stress could kill him  :o

...

rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Mitt Romney: Easy on Wall Street, Tough on Sesame Street
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2012, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 04, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jebDlVAcpGo

funny, the real obama didn't show up either
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2012, 07:51:29 PM
pretty much
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 04, 2012, 08:13:06 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2012, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 04, 2012, 02:57:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jebDlVAcpGo

funny, the real obama didn't show up either

Craven politics, non-aggressive stance, "things will be different, promise!" rhetoric dressed up in pretty words? Naw, the real Obama was there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Jesus Christ himu, these people are fucking politicians.  You want a role model?  Go find somebody who volunteers at a fucking soup kitchen.  Oh, you'll probably discover they're a human being full of faults and contradictions too.

Seriously, I'm either gonna need you to a) come back to reality land or b) stfu about politics for the next month so I don't have to fucking goddamn murder you in the face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 04, 2012, 08:28:47 PM
I wish I could deliver comebacks the day after an argument.  When I do it I get responses like "I must have really gotten to you last night.  :smug"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 04, 2012, 10:17:56 PM
Ma boy, Steve Benen has the best summary of the debate and Romney's "win":

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/04/14219336-the-triumph-of-style-over-substance?lite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 05, 2012, 03:53:52 AM
Holy shit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhUI8ktHuw

:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2012, 09:02:35 AM
Obama: "Sorry I didn't do so well in the debates, I was too busy saving the country." :smug

http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/05/news/economy/september-jobs-report/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 05, 2012, 11:21:33 AM
game set match
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Job truthers are all already out en masse, saying Nobama and his Chicago gangsters are cooking the numbers. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
Dudes I've been waiting for this day for years. I told a friend that if unemployment dropped under 8% republicans would either call it a conspiracy or start focusing on the u6 unemployment rate like LaRouche fans do. I can't wait for Drudge's afternoon spin

Imagine how they'd react if Romney won and this was say...December's bls report. They'd hail it as the beginning of the Romney recovery
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 05, 2012, 01:21:19 PM
Everything bad is Obama's fault.

Everything good is either falsified by Obama or he had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
This also came from the BLS report:

Quote
August was revised up from 96,000 to 142,000 and July was revised up to 181,000.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 05, 2012, 02:00:37 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
This also came from the BLS report:

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August was revised up from 96,000 to 142,000 and July was revised up to 181,000.

Lies. Obama should be impeached because of his treachery.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
Right on cue, republicans are now arguing the "real" unemployment rate is actually 14% (U6 number).

Also, gotta love teh librul media. It's amazing how easily non-political stories like this can quickly be made "controversial" by the unsubstantiated complaints of a few people on the far right. Obama speaking to school children before the start of the semester? Controversy! White House acknowledgement of a Muslim or Indian holiday? Unprecedented! US Census run by the administration? Communism!

Sure the economy is political, but the fucking BLS is not. How hard is it to say "administrations do not influence the BLS, and it is a completely separate entity from the White House. Instead we get shit like this:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/allen-west-president-obama-is-absolutely-hiding-real
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2012, 02:43:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hZVmo.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 05, 2012, 03:13:47 PM
when I see those tweets about "Chicago style" I always think they mean University of Chicago and I get all  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 05, 2012, 03:39:56 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 05, 2012, 02:43:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hZVmo.png)

Following Chicago-style numbers with dumbass-style reporting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 05, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
Right on cue, republicans are now arguing the "real" unemployment rate is actually 14% (U6 number).

I just had a buddy go on about this in our little email circle. Right on cue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 05, 2012, 04:51:12 PM
Businesses are gearing up in anticipation of a Romney presidency, as expected.

Why's everyone so shocked?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 05, 2012, 04:51:45 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on October 05, 2012, 03:13:47 PM
when I see those tweets about "Chicago style" I always think they mean University of Chicago and I get all  ???

They really mean deep dish, you see.



Also, anyone remember back in 2004 when the household survey numbers looked better than (less volatile) employer survey numbers that are used for the headline jobs numbers?  And how Arnold Kling and a bunch of other conservatives said we should use those ones instead?  Any of them saying the same thing now that the household survey's showing an 800k+ gain? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 05, 2012, 06:43:14 PM
I'm glad the right followed their surprisingly strong debate performance with an orgasm of conspiracy mongering.  Things feel ok in the world.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2012, 07:48:40 PM
http://romney-kun.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2012, 07:51:07 PM
Family across the street put up a sign for Romney/Ryan. Mind you this is Texas, and also mind you, they have a severely autistic child who needs constant supervision, is 17 years old and is now in the 7th grade, and cannot talk. This could have been the very family with an autistic child that Obama brought up in the debates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 05, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
One of the most strident anti-Obama people I know (she told my friends and I to "vote for McCain because I don't want Obama taking all my money for the government") is a public school bus driver.  Shows no signs of awareness that there's any conflict.

Then again, there are a couple people who I'm pretty sure are flabbergasted that I, as a Jew, can support Obama and his abandonment of Israel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2012, 08:51:59 PM
I say the more Jews who support abandoning Israel the better. Keep on keepin' on, Mandy-san.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2012, 09:20:00 PM
A black family we're friends with are hardcore republicans. They've been working poor and living in the same housing project for more than 20 years; they've basically the real life Weasleys. Now, I wouldn't say all poor or working poor people should be democrats/liberals; you can be poor and support basic social, economic, etc tenets of any party you want. But this family has relied on government assistance in the past, and used various programs for the poor to gain health insurance. Yet not only are they hardcore GOPers, I've heard the parents constantly belittle black people as being "lazy" or dependent on government. I can't respect that shit.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 05, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Unless your income level is Prole/DCharlie and up, I'm not sure why anyone would be a Republican. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2012, 10:38:26 PM
oh my god

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNhUI8ktHuw

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2012, 11:48:56 PM
Already posted, and on this very page!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2012, 11:53:41 PM
Forgive me, Rumbler-san

(http://i.imgur.com/6EtxR.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2012, 11:57:57 PM
I-It's not like I'm voting Romney or anything, uguu~!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2012, 12:37:06 AM
another thing: can we tear down the Jack Welsh monuments for good, finally? This is a guy who made tons of money flubbing his own company's financial report numbers and advocating a fast paced sloppy form of financial transactions. He's the poster boy for Wall Street's biggest sins

So who better than him to be trotted out to disparage today's economic numbers. It has nothing to do with him "sullying" his image. This is who Jack Welsh has always been.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i_w8hK26BN0/UG8Fh3BfRFI/AAAAAAACTuI/AL95K-UFfFQ/s1600/1005+hc.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 06, 2012, 12:08:26 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/presidential-debate-aftermath-mitt-romney-wins-all-important-bs-contest-20121005

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Analysts like this were, however, right in a way. Romney did come across as the more confident and aggressive candidate, and Obama did come across as "wonky" and "lacking punch." Just visually and dramatically, Romney met the spectacle on its terms better than Obama did, much the way John F. Kennedy did in his celebrated debate with Richard Nixon. In that legendary meeting, radio viewers thought Nixon won, but TV viewers, blown away by Kennedy's smile and tan, thought was a landslide for the Democrat.

Journalists who cite that Nixon-Kennedy debate always forget that the lesson of that night is that the new broadcast media technology made superficiality and nonsense more important – that thanks to the press, it was now possible to get someone elected to the most powerful office on earth because he had a superior tan. Reporters love this story because it reminds everyone that the medium they work in has the power to overcome substance and decide elections all by itself. What's amazing is that they don't have the good sense to be ashamed of this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I watched Miami Vice on Netflix instead of the debate.  I'm glad I made the right decision.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 06, 2012, 12:29:35 PM
Hey man, Miami Wice is #1 new show
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2012, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 06, 2012, 12:26:53 PM
I watched Miami Vice on Netflix instead of the debate.  I'm glad I made the right decision.

omg the tv show or the crappy movie?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2012, 06:56:46 PM
The TV show.

I already voted, I knew Romney was going to be full of shit, and I know Obama has this election in the bag.  Combine that with the fact I don't watch TV and don't want to watch a stream on my laptop when there was a TV show I wanted to watch on my 60" TV after a long day of work.

I saw some clips and I don't think Romney really won, he just exceeded the extremely low expectations people had of him.  Considering his campaign has been one giant clusterfuck, a brief moment of competency threw everyone off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
MIAMI VICE IS ON NETFLIX??!?!?!?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2012, 07:32:06 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 06, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
MIAMI VICE IS ON NETFLIX??!?!?!?!

Yes, on instant watch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2012, 07:44:18 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06/bill-maher-mark-foley-little-guy_n_1945112.html
fffuuuuuu  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2012, 11:43:41 PM
Snoop Dogg offers some political commentary:

(http://i.imgur.com/UyZBq.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Beezy on October 07, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
Someone on black twitter wrote that. # 8 in the left column is the best.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2012, 11:48:37 AM
From my FB feed:

Quote
A nation without borders is no nation at all. After decades of misguided policies America has now become a free-for-all. Our leaders betrayed the middle class which is forced to compete with welfare-receiving illegal immigrants who will work for almost anything, just because the standards in their home countries are even lower.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 05, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
One of the most strident anti-Obama people I know (she told my friends and I to "vote for McCain because I don't want Obama taking all my money for the government") is a public school bus driver.  Shows no signs of awareness that there's any conflict.

Then again, there are a couple people who I'm pretty sure are flabbergasted that I, as a Jew, can support Obama and his abandonment of Israel.

I think I remember reading that the second-largest voting block for Obama (behind black people of course) were Jews...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2012, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 08, 2012, 11:48:37 AM
From my FB feed:

Quote
A nation without borders is no nation at all. After decades of misguided policies America has now become a free-for-all. Our leaders betrayed the middle class which is forced to compete with welfare-receiving illegal immigrants who will work for almost anything, just because the standards in their home countries are even lower.

If you think that's bad, just wait until they realize they don't have to work for welfare
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2012, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 08, 2012, 11:48:37 AM
From my FB feed:

Quote
A nation without borders is no nation at all. After decades of misguided policies America has now become a free-for-all. Our leaders betrayed the middle class which is forced to compete with welfare-receiving illegal immigrants who will work for almost anything, just because the standards in their home countries are even lower.

Workers competing over increasingly lower-paying jobs, huh? Sounds like a capitalists wet-dream!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2012, 12:26:52 PM
tiesto: Yeah, us Jews vote overwhelmingly Democratic.  There have been reports about Obama having a problem with the Jewish vote, based on the reasoning that Jews only care about Israel, and caring about Israel means wanting to bomb Iran.  But it's all a bunch of nothing and Obama's still crushing Romney in that demo.


PD: And unlike most conservative chain emails/social media posts, this one has a clear origin! http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/border-security/  To be fair, it's a fan site.


GR: If only there were some way for workers to regain some bargaining leverage...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 08, 2012, 12:26:52 PM
GR: If only there were some way for workers to regain some bargaining leverage...

We can start by lowering the taxes of their employers
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2012, 01:49:56 PM
Mitt's performance in the debate reminds me of a high school student body speech. It's the jock guy who promises free pizza for everyone at lunch and more vending machines.

Quote from: Mandark on October 05, 2012, 07:57:47 PM
One of the most strident anti-Obama people I know (she told my friends and I to "vote for McCain because I don't want Obama taking all my money for the government") is a public school bus driver.  Shows no signs of awareness that there's any conflict.

I've encountered a ton of classified school staff (ie. secretaries, bus drivers, etc.) who are hardcore conservatives that dislike the government. I stay quiet and don't got involved in their discussions outside my office, but it's interesting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 08, 2012, 03:55:20 PM
I have an uncle NYPD cop who just retired at like 45 who's a hardcore libertarian. And his wife is also a cop who will retire in a year or so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2012, 04:03:13 PM
from my facebook friends feed:

Original poster (a girl): Won't vote for President. I am not interesting in Politics because they always lie! Where is the truth? What is the goal for USA? Why did people lose jobs?

a reply: rommey is not bad mike huckbee who is chritian he say better to vote rommey that way obama will loose this time no more obama , pray ask god ok our pastor ron in our church he say vote rep not dem that is all i know

another reply:  Hey sis, only praying and asking God that to vote for the next President. If you do not vote then could be mess up in the world. Please pray.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2012, 04:09:55 PM
from the "my pastor ron" person's wall:

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2di121f.jpg)

(http://i46.tinypic.com/30wmkw9.jpg)

Always though these people were just a joke. Never thought they actually existed. Aside from that fucktard college intellectual on my fb, I guess I just make friends with open-minded people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
That church could lose their tax-exempt status for shit like that.

Also, it's really painful to read those FB comments from a purely grammatical standpoint.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
That church could lose their tax-exempt status for shit like that.

Also, it's really painful to read those FB comments from a purely grammatical standpoint.

Doubtful. There was a story about like 1200 churches planning on officially endorsing candidates in the coming weeks, unafraid of the IRS doing anything.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/pulpit-freedom-sunday-pastors-defy-tax-rules-back-political-candidates_n_1948284.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

It's win win. If they get away with it, they'll continue doing it. If the IRS does anything, even to one church, guess who gets proclaimed an enemy of the Christian religion?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
Emphasis on could. Nothing is going to happen, but I really wish they would.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2012, 05:44:39 PM
pd you magnificent beautiful motherfucker

you're on fire at gaf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2012, 01:55:13 PM
I saw this years ago and never could find it. It just popped up again.

(http://i.imgur.com/h5thH.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 09, 2012, 02:27:42 PM
It's going to be very difficult coming to terms with the upcoming Obama loss.

Yeah, his fantasy football team isn't very good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2012, 04:12:48 PM
http://www.ap.org/content/press-release/2012/ap-photo-of-romney-visit-to-virginia-school

lol

(http://www.ap.org/Images/Romney-2012-Fairfield-Va-2.jpg)

CLARIFIES THAT STUDENT IS REACTING BECAUSE MITT ROMNEY WILL BE POSING FOR A PHOTO DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF HER AND HER CLASSMATES - Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney poses for photographs with students of Fairfield Elementary School, Monday, Oct. 8, 2012, in Fairfield, Va. A student, right, reacts as she realizes Romney will crouch down directly in front of her and her classmates for the group photo. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

Thank you Associated Press, for making us laugh at love again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2012, 05:35:00 PM
rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 09, 2012, 06:13:17 PM
Andrew Sullivans meltdown (http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/andrew-sullivans-obama-meltdown-in-8-key-gifs) over Obamas debate performance is The Worst Thing.  You've been following this stuff for how long and you don't know to wait at least an entire week before crumbling in to hysteria?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2012, 06:23:14 PM
I'm glad I never read Sullivan, so I didn't have that inevitable year-long period of typing his blog's URL into the address bar out of sheer habit (see: neoGAF).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2012, 08:00:34 PM
I've pretty much cut my political intake down to 3 things:  TPM, 538, and the indispensable Balloon Juice.  Every couple of weeks for shits n giggles I'll give Sullivan an hour or two of my life, just to reaffirm that he really still IS an austerity loving drama queen with a boner for the President's "Burkean sensibilities and Oakeshottian tendencies" whatever the fuck that is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 09, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
What is going on with these polls saying Romney is beating Obama now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2012, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 09, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
What is going on with these polls saying Romney is beating Obama now?

Part of it is that Romney has, in fact, gotten a bounce from last week's debate.  The rest of it is that somehow magically there are now more Republicans responding as a percentage of the polls than there were last week. ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 09, 2012, 09:06:20 PM
I think Obama is still in good shape.  I think Biden is going to have a difficult time so Obama needs to kill it in the last two debates to stem the tide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2012, 09:06:58 PM
Biden will embarrass himself just watch
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 09, 2012, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 09, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
What is going on with these polls saying Romney is beating Obama now?

Part of it is that Romney has, in fact, gotten a bounce from last week's debate.  The rest of it is that somehow magically there are now more Republicans responding as a percentage of the polls than there were last week. ::)

Eh that's due to party ID being a fluctuating factor, unlike race, ethnicity, etc. Independent voters tend to stay from party to party depending on who is up/down, and after the debate they moved to Romney.

If Obama loses it's solely his fault for not giving a shit about the debate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2012, 09:10:36 PM
Fortunately, there are 2 more debates; foreign policy is the last one and should be a cinch, and the one before that is a town hall where the Mitttron 3000 will have to interact with the plebe class.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 09, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 09, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
What is going on with these polls saying Romney is beating Obama now?

A poll from a fairly respected outfit has Romney ahead by 4 nationally among likely voters.  Fortunately, elections are won electorally and Obama remains ahead in many key battleground states, albeit with a much diminished lead. 

Within those battleground states, it looks as though he basically lost his post-convention bounce.  But to put that in context, post-convention leads usually fade after a week or so.  For a bunch of reasons, Obama's bump stuck around for weeks and only metastasized when that video of Romney saying things rich people say to each other in private was leaked.  At that point in the race Obama was leading by like ten or eleven points in Ohio.  Now he's ahead three.  We're back to where things were projected to be if Romney ran a competent campaign out the gate.  Which I must admit diminishes my schadenfreude boner but only a tad. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 09, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2012, 09:06:58 PM
Biden will embarrass himself just watch
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 09, 2012, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 09, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
What is going on with these polls saying Romney is beating Obama now?

Part of it is that Romney has, in fact, gotten a bounce from last week's debate.  The rest of it is that somehow magically there are now more Republicans responding as a percentage of the polls than there were last week. ::)

Eh that's due to party ID being a fluctuating factor, unlike race, ethnicity, etc. Independent voters tend to stay from party to party depending on who is up/down, and after the debate they moved to Romney.

If Obama loses it's solely his fault for not giving a shit about the debate

The not giving a crap about the debate is a good point. The paper had a good article on how little Obama has interacted with the press and hasn't had much pressure to prepare for the debate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-president-obama-doesnt-meet-the-press/2012/10/04/ac688c8a-0e78-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-president-obama-doesnt-meet-the-press/2012/10/04/ac688c8a-0e78-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2012, 10:12:52 PM
The general feel I got was people assumed Romney would simply melt once his bullshit was questioned by Obama in a debate. Yet...Obama didn't question or even fight back, he just sat there and took it. I watched a bit of the 2004 debate and Bush was clearly outclassed but was combative and aggressive. Obama literally threw the debate lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2012, 10:36:38 PM
I'll be more worried if things are the same/worse closer to the election.  As it is now, I still think Obama can win pretty easily, but he as to at least bring a fucking B game, not that shit he pulled at the debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 09, 2012, 10:40:58 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 09, 2012, 10:36:38 PM
I'll be more worried if things are the same/worse closer to the election.  As it is now, I still think Obama can win pretty easily, but he as to at least bring a fucking B game, not that shit he pulled at the debate.

Remember the Bush/Gore debates in 2000? Gore did that insufferable smirk and eye-rolling. Obama had kind of the same condescension going on but maybe not quite as bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 09, 2012, 10:43:35 PM
My mom is losing her shit. She has been in Chris Matthews-mode for the last 2 days.

"I'm not even wearing my Obama button anymore. Romney is gonna win." It's hilarious.

Obama is gonna win. I'm 80% sure of it :) And even if he doesn't, at least it won't be Bush again. I wanted him gone so bad that it hurt. Romney at least is competent and that's a decent consolation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2012, 10:58:54 PM
uhhhh

If you think that competent people will be running the government under Romney, you have another thing coming to you
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 09, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
Romney has the same advisers bush had.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2012, 10:59:58 PM
Romney competent, lol

Obama still got dis shit.  Obama is winning Ohio, and without Ohio, Romney is pretty much facefucked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2012, 11:20:22 PM
Romney's rep now is similar to Dubya's in 2000: did a good job as governor, more moderate than the GOP crazies who had been hogging the spotlight (Gingrich and the congressional GOP in the late 90's, the Tea Party in the 10's), willing to be bipartisan and surrounded by seasoned professionals in any case.

But Romney never repudiated Bush while he was in office, hasn't offered seriously different campaign planks (lower taxes, tough on terror!), and is drawing a ton of his advisers and probably future staff from ex-Bushies.  It wouldn't be an absolute carbon copy (probably), but there'd be a ton of overlap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 09, 2012, 11:23:54 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 09, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
Romney has the same advisers bush had.

Hmm. I didn't know that.

I just got a little more concerned about the election, lol. I kinda stopped following politics hardcore once Obama was elected because my main concerns were foreign policy and healthcare and Obama was my guy (looooonnng before he was bandwagoned  :D). Hopefully Obama wins so I won't have to worry too much about what potentially crazy thing the guy in charge is gonna do. I mean, I still have my eye on Obama (and the mantra about Iran is starting to feel a bit familiar) but I'm not too concerned. YET, at least.

But don't get me wrong: it would be a bad thing for Romney to take the reins.

Quote from: BrandNew on October 09, 2012, 10:59:58 PM
Romney competent, lol

Facts/issues notwithstanding, he DID manage to bitch smack Obama in the debate. I'd say it's something to make the President look inferior, especially someone of Obama's stature. It'll be interesting to see how Obama regroups in the town hall debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
Good lord the polling looks horrible for Obama. What a fuckup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 10, 2012, 12:10:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2012, 11:33:09 PM
Good lord the polling looks horrible for Obama. What a fuckup

The polling is concerning, but come on Maurice, the math man.  The EC math.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2012, 12:17:56 AM
Losing in Virginia, losing in Florida, losing in Colorado...and Ohio is tightening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 10, 2012, 12:20:09 AM
You know what else is tightening? My pants.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 10, 2012, 01:25:18 AM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 09, 2012, 10:43:35 PM
My mom is losing her shit. She has been in Chris Matthews-mode for the last 2 days.

"I'm not even wearing my Obama button anymore. Romney is gonna win." It's hilarious.

Obama is gonna win. I'm 80% sure of it :) And even if he doesn't, at least it won't be Bush again. I wanted him gone so bad that it hurt. Romney at least is competent and that's a decent consolation.
Really?  When Obama is doing really well I can afford to pretend that I'm above the president.  Now that things have tightened significantly I have an Obama magnet on my car.  Your mom is doing things backwards.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2012, 01:33:32 AM
Not sure if PD's trolling, or has just switched over to his NBA thread posting technique ("god what a choker LeBron is") in preparation for the new season.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 10, 2012, 01:51:25 AM
You guys ever read The Economist? Great British finance/business/news magazine. Socially moderate but fiscally conservative/libertarian. Their Lexington columnist (http://www.economist.com/topics/lexington (http://www.economist.com/topics/lexington)) is a Brit who lives in DC and writes about American politics. It's an interesting non-American perspective.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 10, 2012, 04:35:09 AM
I had to stop reading Sully when he became God-Emperor of Drama Queens, but he is right in one way: Romney, suddenly, is the centrist in this election. His latest reboot has him taking positions that would have been anathema to his base only 3 weeks ago. What's more, now that he finally has a non-zero chance of winning, the base is staying remarkably silent. It's as if they know their positions are untenable and unwinnable, so would rather win first and figure put their positions later. It's crass, it's gross, and it's working.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 10, 2012, 05:04:15 AM
I think it was Chris Matthews who made a good point yesterday, where he said that Romney's using his flip flopping in a more clever and more cynical way. Romney himself goes on T.V. and says something like his insurance plan covers pre-existing conditions, as he did in the first debate. Then, a random campaign flak comes out and "clarifies" Romney's comment to mean the exact opposite of what he meant. 70 million people watched the debate. How many saw the article about Eric Ferhnstrom walking back Romney's remarks?

At first I thought this was just Romney being utterly incompetent, but this seems to be an intentional and seemingly, effective strategy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 10, 2012, 08:50:52 AM
(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/anigif_enhanced-buzz-10488-1349810263-16.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2012, 09:04:46 AM
Bill Clinton was giving it to Romney on this in his speech yesterday in Vegas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWxcuasAK1I

I can't find a longer version of the speech online, but he was like "Ol' Moderate Mitt, glad to see ya buddy, where ya been for the past two years?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 10, 2012, 09:34:50 AM
The October 16 debate is gonna be fairly close to where I live, is it possible to get tickets you guys know?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 10, 2012, 09:40:20 AM
Quote from: tiesto on October 10, 2012, 09:34:50 AM
The October 16 debate is gonna be fairly close to where I live, is it possible to get tickets you guys know?

Quote
All of the tickets allocated to Hofstra University from the Commission on Presidential Debates will be distributed to current students in the days before the debate, as recommended by the CPD and consistent with past practices of debate hosts, including Hofstra in 2008.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 10, 2012, 10:05:54 AM
Hah that gif is great.

I took Sullivan out of my daily reading quite awhile ago. I liked the variety in his blog, but his penchant to freak out or get indignant over small things was too tiresome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2012, 10:34:03 AM
moar good Sully meltdown gifs

http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/andrew-sullivans-obama-meltdown-in-8-key-gifs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 10, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
I'm always hesitant to call him a drama queen as I'm unsure if that's being sorta homophobic or not, but christ what a drama queen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2012, 09:18:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasfm_fTuyQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2012, 12:14:04 AM
Quote
@mpoindc : NBC/WSJ/Marist — VA: Romney 48, Obama 47 || FL: Obama 48, Romney 47 || OH**: Obama 51, Romney 45 (LVs, 10/7-9, MoE +/- 3.1%) 1 minute ago more »

Ohio is sort of looking like a firewall for Obama so far. We'll see
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 01:51:12 AM
VA and FL surprise me.  Thought it woulda been visa versa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 11, 2012, 03:24:52 AM
I think the vp debate will make republicans stop answering the phones so much and the town hall is pretty much going to expose Romney's perpetual flip-flop machine. The questions are more specific and you can't just spew out talking point porn.

I'm optimistic that there'll be a dip for Romney. Foreign policy isn't usually a big concern for voters but it will be if Obama attacks Romney's positions on Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan, nobody wants to increase military intervention especially after the whole arab spring showed it's not even necessary. Unlike taxes or medicare, it's harder to stretch the facts on war-mongering.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 11, 2012, 06:12:33 AM
I don't have high hopes for the VP debate for Biden.  Ryan is a sociopath and an asshole who won't hesitate to go for the jugular.  Biden might get a nice hit here and there but he'll have plenty of "hanging out at the Home Depot" moments as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/14365317-jobless-claims-drop-to-lowest-level-since-2008?lite
The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits dropped to a 4-1/2 year low last week, suggesting that hiring may be picking up after stalling since the spring.

The Labor Department reported Thursday that new jobless claims dropped a seasonally-adjusted 30,000 to 339,000, the lowest since February 2008. The four-week moving average, considered a more accurate gauge of labor market conditions, slid 11,500 to 364,000.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 11, 2012, 06:12:33 AM
I don't have high hopes for the VP debate for Biden.  Ryan is a sociopath and an asshole who won't hesitate to go for the jugular.  Biden might get a nice hit here and there but he'll have plenty of "hanging out at the Home Depot" moments as well.


Might as well post this here too:

Quote from: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/vp-debate-2012-13609407
The Zombie-Eyed Granny-Starver Takes on the One Man Who Relishes This Mess: Your 2012 VP Debate Preview
By Charles P. Pierce at 9:07AM
 
One of the oddest reactions to the president's feather-in-the-gales-of-pure-bullshit performance last week is the notion among a number of very smart liberal humans that he doesn't want to be president anymore and, way out on the fringe, the corollary that his debate demeanor was the rhetorical equivalent of Eddie Cicotte of the Chicago White Sox hitting the first Cincinnati batter he faced in the 1919 World Series. I'm not good enough at trans-area-code psychology to agree with this conclusion, although I do admit that the president should be a little more juiced than this about the prospect of deflating Willard Romney just for the sheer fun of it, since Romney is so obviously a bag of hot air that they should string him up and float him through Manhattan this Thanksgiving.

However, you know who really likes his job, and would like very much to keep it because he likes it so much?

Joe Biden, that's who.

Joe Biden is not riven with self-doubt. Joe Biden is not exhausted by the hurly-burly of politics. Joe Biden is not burdened by the weight of events and laid low by the constant battle against know-nothing obstructionism. Joe Biden is not going to take the stage tonight and find himself wishing he were anywhere else. I mean, god be good to him, as my gran' used to say, but Joe Biden actually likes all these silly performance pieces in which we insist he be engaged in order to stay vice-president. He revels in them. He would do ten of them a day, if he could. When I consider Joe Biden, and I look at the enthusiasm with which he throws himself into the various cataracts and torrents of hogwash that constitute our politics these days, I find myself looking at him the way I look at people who sky-dive or drive in demolition derbies. I have no idea why they do what they do, and I have absolutely no intention of doing it myself, ever, but, goddamn, do those people look like they're having fun.

So tonight, when Biden takes the stage to debate Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny-starver from the state of Wisconsin, it is very unlikely that the debate will hinge on whether either man really wants to be there. Biden eats these kinds of things on toast, and Ryan is as ambitious as Satan. What the debate will test, however, is whether or not the zombie-eyed granny-starver can summon up — or, more accurately, reconstruct — the persona that was built for him through the years by dozens of credulous Beltway hacks who looked at a youthful Republican who wore shoes and didn't talk about how Jesus road to work on a diplodocus, who instead immersed himself in pie charts and flow sheets and, in doing so, had created for everyone a believable simulcrum of a Smart Person. Then, of course, he published a couple of "budgets" that, judging by the general reaction to them, were written in bubonic bacilli. That was the first whack at the image. Then the president called him out face-to-face, and Ryan has yet to stop meeping about that. Hell, no less than N. Leroy Gingrich, definer of civilization's rules and leader (perhaps) of the civilizing forces, referred to Ryan's entire economic oeuvre as "thinly-veiled social Darwinism," which it plainly is, although Gingrich later had to walk that one back, alas.

Once Romney put him on the ticket, all that great video came out with Ryan's talking to various gatherings of aging Ayn Rand fanbois. He gave a speech at the Republican National Convention that shattered the weight-for-age record for individual prevarication. Suddenly, people started talking about what had been plain from the beginning of his rise to national prominence — that Paul Ryan is as much of an unlettered extremist on economics as Louie Gohmert is on terror babies, or Paul Broun is on how the world came to be created. Conservatism's mansion has many rooms, and almost all of them are padded.

(Not that there aren't members of the Beltway media still dazzled by the blue-eyed Deerslayer from Janesville. "I like the strategy of bow hunting and it takes a lot of preparation, and I do take it seriously because I am much more successful if I do things properly and prepare the right way," he told CNN recently while on the campaign trail in Memphis. Is he planning to shoot an apple off Biden's head? It is plainly time for Dana Bash to take a couple of weeks off.)

There is no mistaking what Paul Ryan is seeking to create in this country, and it doesn't matter how much happy-clappy middle-class opportunity gilding he puts on it. He believes that the general government — which, I have to keep reminding him, is ultimately a manifestation of the political commonwealth — has no role in alleviating poverty, very little role in alleviating disease, and is designed primarily to create and sustain a political and social oligarchy. His devotion is nearly theological. He opposes Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid on principle. He believes them to have been always illegitimate exercises of government's power because, ostensibly, he read that somewhere in the Constitution, but actually, because they thwart his attempts to hand all the nation's power, and certainly all of its wealth, over to the "makers," and the hell with the "takers." He learned this, of course, in his pursuit of his bachelor's degree from Miami of Ohio, which was paid for on my dime, through Social Security survivor's benefits and, as always, you're welcome, Ace.

I think that Joe Biden, who is not laboring under any delusions about what's at stake here, likely will point a lot of this out tonight. (I'll send him a buffalo nickel if he asks Ryan whether Ryan felt he was a "taker" when he was cashing all those government checks after his father kicked.) Ryan will assume his sad-eyed pose as the lonely embattled truth-teller, and he will hope that the country buys it one more time. He's a much smaller bag of hot air than his running mate, drifting down the boulevard with his guide-wires held by dozens of easily impressed media types. He doesn't even react well to needles. Not at all. Joe Biden is not afraid of needles, and Joe Biden wants to stay vice-president for awhile. I'll never understand that, but people take their fun where they can find it and needling Paul Ryan can be rare good craic. I do not think Joe Biden will be so overwhelmed by the gravity of the occasion that he denies himself that kind of fun.

Charles Pierce :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2012, 10:41:47 AM
Spending your time to watch the VP debates is like watching the Mtv Movie Awards. Unless you really have a hard-on for one of these two men.

--- // ---


This one is for Mandark, his favorite political pundit:

Quote
But I think that Mitt Romney is a moderate — like Nelson Rockefeller, who as governor of New York poured money into the state university system that educated me. Romney is an affable, successful businessman whose skills seem well-suited to this particular moment of economic crisis.

Hence I want to use my vote to make a statement about my unhappiness with the Democratic Party and the direction it has taken. The biggest issue for me is the Obama administration’s continuation of endless war, war, war. I denounced the Iraq incursion before it even happened.


 :-*

She is going to send a message to the democrat party by voting for Jill Stein.




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 10:50:21 AM
Pointless sure, but if Biden can beat up Ryan a bit it'll at least stem the flow of bitching and whining from Dems, which wouldn't be an inconsiderable achievement
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2012, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/14365317-jobless-claims-drop-to-lowest-level-since-2008?lite
The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits dropped to a 4-1/2 year low last week, suggesting that hiring may be picking up after stalling since the spring.

The Labor Department reported Thursday that new jobless claims dropped a seasonally-adjusted 30,000 to 339,000, the lowest since February 2008. The four-week moving average, considered a more accurate gauge of labor market conditions, slid 11,500 to 364,000.

Dunno how reputable this site is, but allegedly a large state did not include their jobless claims in the report
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-11/data-massaging-continues-initial-claims-tumble-339k-lowest-2008-far-below-lowest-exp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2012, 11:32:16 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:48:57 AM
Quote from: http://economywatch.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/14365317-jobless-claims-drop-to-lowest-level-since-2008?lite
The number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits dropped to a 4-1/2 year low last week, suggesting that hiring may be picking up after stalling since the spring.

The Labor Department reported Thursday that new jobless claims dropped a seasonally-adjusted 30,000 to 339,000, the lowest since February 2008. The four-week moving average, considered a more accurate gauge of labor market conditions, slid 11,500 to 364,000.

Dunno how reputable this site is, but allegedly a large state did not include their jobless claims in the report
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-11/data-massaging-continues-initial-claims-tumble-339k-lowest-2008-far-below-lowest-exp

Seems pretty legit, but let me check and see what Drudge Report is saying and OH MY GOD...

http://lightbox.time.com/2012/10/11/paul-ryan-all-pumped-up-for-his-closeup/#1

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
town-hall debate is needed stat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 11, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
I don't think anything can top the Biden/Palin debate in 2008. It was like bringing a knife to a gunfight. She was in way over her head and she still had that mix of ignorance and confidence. It was awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 11, 2012, 03:01:13 PM
If Romney wins on November 6th, I'm going to cut my dick off in front of the nearest TV camera doing live election coverage.  Other liberals should do the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2012, 03:35:50 PM
A liberal making a personal sacrifice instead of a shared one? That's a novel idea.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2012, 10:41:47 AM
This one is for Mandark, his favorite political pundit:

You're mistaking me for someone else?  TVC 15?

Brooks/Friedman/Krauthammer/Samuelson/Cohen are my bete noirs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2012, 03:56:12 PM
oh darn, it was white man I was thinking of.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2012, 04:26:06 PM
yeah yeah, we all look alike
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2012, 04:51:01 PM
How come there are no brothas on the wall? Ta-Nehisi Coates is awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 05:18:13 PM
yeah where the fuck did white man go
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 06:23:51 PM
I legit think Ryan is a little scared of papa Biden.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 06:36:45 PM
eh I doubt it.  I think Ryan's gonna shit on Biden personally

edit: not to say that I think it matters, I don't think many people will watch this.  This will just solidify Ryan's political future if anything, not really add or detract from Romney's campaign unless Biden legitimately rapes him with facts
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 07:10:45 PM
How can you tell when Mitt Romney is lying? His mouth is open!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r6TA1PNG_M
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
OMG ITS ON

CAN I ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION THE WHOLE WAY THRU THIS TIME

MY SOURCES SAY NO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:03:32 PM
Maybe Biden will forget he's at a debate and just start swearing at Ryan.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:05:37 PM
LOL, Biden's just like "Let me answer your question by saying, eff Mitt Romney."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 09:06:41 PM
johnny deadeyes being a dick right off the bat

hope biden spends the night smacking the shit out of him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 11, 2012, 09:07:37 PM
rip vilerat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:08:12 PM
Biden's like "Who is this kid?" :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:09:24 PM
YOU SIR, ARE MALARKEY!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2012, 09:10:35 PM
OH SHIT, THE MALARKEY CARD HAS BEEN PLAYED
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 09:11:35 PM
i hate paul ryans face

reminds me of every smug self-satisfied college boy ive ever argued with

EDIT: PAUL RYAN IS PRO-KORAN-URINATING-ON
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
I definitely think we should apologize for urinating on burning Korans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:20:46 PM
This is kind of amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 09:20:53 PM
JOE BIDEN WILL HAVE NONE OF THIS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 11, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
this is fucking awesome
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
"OH, GOD" - quote of the night
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:26:48 PM
Is Joe Biden gonna have to choke a bitch?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
I'm watching the steelers because lol VPs, but I switched over real quick to see Biden fucking murder Ryan on the economy.  good man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:28:13 PM
MITT ROMNEY HELPED A CRIPPLED KITTEN THROUGH COLLEGE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:29:06 PM
Ryan: "Bububu, this one guy..."

Biden: *choke-slam*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 09:30:47 PM
Biden showing the prez how it's done :american
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
Biden just power-bombed the stimulus right in his face!
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Post by: Atramental on October 11, 2012, 09:39:14 PM
JOE! JOE! JOE!

(http://i.minus.com/iRIg0YQ8THOB4.png)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:40:01 PM
Love me some Biden. :lol
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
This is going pretty much exactly as I hoped it would.  Biden is a goddamned dinosaur compared to Ryan and this is the easiest kill of his life (as Palin would have been if he wasn't specifically instructed to pull his punches).  Biden literally can't keep himself from laughing whenever Ryan makes a statement.  He's enjoying himself.  God I hope Obama is taking notes.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:42:50 PM
Man, Obama would be up by 10 points on Romney if he'd put together a performance like this.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 09:47:45 PM
Oh man.  I can't wait to see Obama in the town hall now.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:48:31 PM
Like Hulk Hogan in the ring with an infant.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
Biden Puts On Lucky Debate Suit

(http://o.onionstatic.com/images/18/18371/original/600.jpg)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:50:20 PM
RONALD REAGAN AND TIP O'NEIL
RONALD REAGAN AND TIP O'NEIL
RONALD REAGAN AND TIP O'NEIL
RONALD REAGAN AND TIP O'NEIL
RONALD REAGAN AND TIP O'NEIL
RONALD REAGAN AND TIP O'NEIL
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
My favorite is when Biden looks directly in to the camera with a "what the fuck is this shit???" look on his face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
SPECIFICS?

"ummm...."
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 11, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
SPECIFICS?

"ummm...."

Six studies!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 09:52:57 PM
YOU SIR ARE NO JACK KENNEDY!
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 09:52:58 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 11, 2012, 09:40:46 PM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
.
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 09:53:00 PM
holy shit

biden is fucking MURDERING ryan
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 09:56:25 PM
Bill Maher's twitter:

Quote
Hello 9 1 1? There s an old man beating a child on my tv
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 09:56:35 PM
and the moderator is actually halfway decent too.  Amazing.  Amazing.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 10:01:48 PM
Ryan: "Look Martha, I know this one guy in the army reverse so I'm totally for the troops."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 10:10:13 PM
PD, your thoughts.
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 10:20:44 PM
my conservative christian cousin on facebook: Biden has interrupted Ryan so many times that I'm pretty sure his closing statement is going to be about how Beyonce has the best video of all time....

me: "paul ryan doesn't care about black people"


...she deleted it :-\

MUST NOT GET INTO POLITICAL ARGUMENTS WITH FAMILY ON FACEBOOK UURRRGH
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Post by: Atramental on October 11, 2012, 10:21:52 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iCWnEVKIiqeW6.gif)
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2012, 10:22:43 PM
I'm gonna need a cigarette after this
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 10:22:51 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbcnxpa81rg2rf7o1_500.gif)

EDIT: beaten (like Ryan lollollololol)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 10:23:18 PM
:lol
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 10:24:13 PM
from twitter:

ThinkProgress ‏@thinkprogress
FACT: Ryan has opposed abortion access for rape victims since 1998 http://thkpr.gs/OXi9fE
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2012, 10:25:11 PM
I don't put any truck in these "Undecideds" on CNN, but for FWIW they were gobbling up Ryan at the start but Biden is killing now
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 10:39:21 PM
biden crushed it. amazing
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 10:43:08 PM
SHUT UP MARY MATALIN
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 10:50:29 PM
why the fuck would ryan bring up a car crash
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
I've never been spanked by an older man, but if I did I imagine it would look like that debate
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28218234.jpg)
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Post by: Atramental on October 11, 2012, 11:17:00 PM
 :lol :lol
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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 11, 2012, 11:19:28 PM
cnn shows ryan winning by 3.  immediate polls are worthless, but fucking LOL at that.
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Post by: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:20:51 PM
Biden DID come off like a jackass, but I was entertained.

Biden was louder and more aggressive, but that's not how a debate is won. I can shout at someone that the sky isn't blue, but if I'm not convincing anyone, no one is going to care.
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Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
cbs says 50-31 biden
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 11:23:57 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
cbs says 50-31 biden

Apparently the CNN poll was pretty much tied.
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Post by: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
So Romney/Ryan have no plan to fix this economy. They have criteria that their plan needs to meet, but no actual plan. Is this right?
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Post by: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
cbs says 50-31 biden

Whoa.

Personally, I'd call it a draw. Biden was fired up, passionate, and aggressive.....and almost ruthless. Ryan respectfully countered all of Biden's blows and didn't seem unnerved at all. I'd give a TINY, TINY advantage to Biden.

Quote
Someone on TPM mentioned that CNN was 65-35 for Biden

CNN had it at 48% Ryan 44% Biden. Just saw it on TV.
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Post by: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
cbs says 50-31 biden

Whoa.

Personally, I'd call it a draw. Biden was fired up, passionate, and aggressive.....and almost ruthless. Ryan respectfully countered all of Biden's blows and didn't seem unnerved at all. I'd give a TINY, TINY advantage to Biden.

countered Biden's blows with what, exactly? Give me one example where Ryan said ANYTHING where you sat there and thought "hmm that makes sense, Biden is wrong here"
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Post by: Positive Touch on October 11, 2012, 11:28:24 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
countered Biden's blows with what, exactly? Give me one example where Ryan said ANYTHING where you sat there and thought "hmm that makes sense, Biden is wrong here"
exactly. every time the mod went for specifics, ryan dodged. every time he hammered obama, biden called him a liar and then dismantled his b.s. ryan didnt have SHIT worthwhile to sayl
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Post by: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
cbs says 50-31 biden

Whoa.

Personally, I'd call it a draw. Biden was fired up, passionate, and aggressive.....and almost ruthless. Ryan respectfully countered all of Biden's blows and didn't seem unnerved at all. I'd give a TINY, TINY advantage to Biden.

countered Biden's blows with what, exactly? Give me one example where Ryan said ANYTHING where you sat there and thought "hmm that makes sense, Biden is wrong here"

I don't mean countered as "rebuffed" or "rebuked". Whenever Biden dug into Ryan, Ryan responded with measured composure as if whatever he was saying contradicted Biden. Ryan never appeared intimidated by Biden's fiery remarks (and I was watching Ryan's demeanor whenever Biden went into attack mode). It was almost as if he was saying, "I'm going to let you get heated, wait until you're finished, and respectfully disagree." He obviously isn't going to talk over Biden so he just waited for him to finish.

Romeny never said a single thing I agreed with, and he handily beat Obama despite it.
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Post by: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:37:06 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
cbs says 50-31 biden

Whoa.

Personally, I'd call it a draw. Biden was fired up, passionate, and aggressive.....and almost ruthless. Ryan respectfully countered all of Biden's blows and didn't seem unnerved at all. I'd give a TINY, TINY advantage to Biden.

countered Biden's blows with what, exactly? Give me one example where Ryan said ANYTHING where you sat there and thought "hmm that makes sense, Biden is wrong here"

I don't mean countered as "rebuffed" or "rebuked". Whenever Biden dug into Ryan, Ryan responded with measured composure as if whatever he was saying contradicted Biden. Ryan never appeared intimidated by Biden's fiery remarks (and I was watching Ryan's demeanor whenever Biden went into attack mode). It was almost as if he was saying, "I'm going to let you get heated, wait until you're finished, and respectfully disagree." He obviously isn't going to talk over Biden so he just waited for him to finish.

Romeny never said a single thing I agreed with, and he handily beat Obama despite it.

where's my planet eject button
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 11:40:56 PM
 :lol
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Post by: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
where's my planet eject button

Who do you think won the presidential debate last week?
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Post by: Barry Egan on October 11, 2012, 11:43:13 PM
the snap polling (besides CBS) makes it look like MIMICs opinion will be the norm.  People be dumb.  All well, I had fun anyway. 
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Post by: ToxicAdam on October 11, 2012, 11:44:01 PM
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The Commerce Department issued its final ruling Wednesday in a long-simmering trade dispute with China, imposing tariffs taxes on American consumers and solar-installation companies ranging from about 24 to nearly 36 percent on most solar panels imported from the country China, in order to protect domestic producers from foreign competition

About 2 years too late ... oops. At least it's in time for the remaining solar companies to kick in more money to the Democrat campaign season.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/business/global/us-sets-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html?_r=1
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Post by: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:47:50 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 11, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
where's my planet eject button

Who do you think won the presidential debate last week?

They both lose. Romney for not giving the American people any idea exactly what his policies are going to be, and Obama for not calling him out on it more aggressively.
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Post by: MIMIC on October 12, 2012, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:47:50 PM
They both lose. Romney for not giving the American people any idea exactly what his policies are going to be, and Obama for not calling him out on it more aggressively.

A debate is about style more so than substance (which neither candidate offered, to be honest). You're judging this the wrong way. It's about delivery, not what is being delivered. If Obama aggressively rebuked Romney's claims with a follow-up (and several reiterations) of his own, he would have won.
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Post by: Himu on October 12, 2012, 12:21:05 AM
omg I missed the festivities tonight. Gonna watch the debate online tomorrow.
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Post by: BlackMage on October 12, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 12, 2012, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:47:50 PM
They both lose. Romney for not giving the American people any idea exactly what his policies are going to be, and Obama for not calling him out on it more aggressively.

A debate is about style more so than substance (which neither candidate offered, to be honest). You're judging this the wrong way. It's about delivery, not what is being delivered. If Obama aggressively rebuked Romney's claims with a follow-up (and several reiterations) of his own, he would have won.

ooook thanks for the explanation.  ::)
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Post by: MIMIC on October 12, 2012, 12:27:33 AM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 12, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 12, 2012, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: BlackMage on October 11, 2012, 11:47:50 PM
They both lose. Romney for not giving the American people any idea exactly what his policies are going to be, and Obama for not calling him out on it more aggressively.

A debate is about style more so than substance (which neither candidate offered, to be honest). You're judging this the wrong way. It's about delivery, not what is being delivered. If Obama aggressively rebuked Romney's claims with a follow-up (and several reiterations) of his own, he would have won.

ooook thanks for the explanation.  ::)

You said Romney lost because of his vagueness....when that has no bearing on how a debate is won. A moderator isn't going to poke and prod at every single point a candidate make; that's the OTHER CANDIDATE'S job. And Obama's failure to do that cost him the debate; the moderator isn't going to argue FOR him.
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Post by: Trurl on October 12, 2012, 12:27:59 AM
Biden may have come across as an overbearing dick, but Ryan came off as a beauty pageant contestant with the way he repeated questions to stall for time.
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Post by: Himu on October 12, 2012, 12:36:30 AM
omg :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E87gciwebw
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 12:40:55 AM
Just study it out!
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2012, 12:41:20 AM
That was some impressive trolling.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 01:24:11 AM
By the way, Ryan's got a lot of gall accusing the Democrats of fear mongering.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2012, 01:43:50 AM
on substantial stuff...

Biden pretty much contradicted the State Department's official line on Libya, and Ryan seemingly said Romney supports privatizing Social Security.

Moderation was solid but did anyone else roll their eyes at her framing Iran as the definitive threat to US security
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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 12, 2012, 01:56:08 AM
I thought she did a really good job up until the last couple of questions where it veered into creampuff territory.  First of all, I don't give a shit how your religion has affected you.  I would prefer you keep it fucking private.  And the "what makes you better than anyone else" thing was just fucking dumb.

Still, about a bazillion times better than fucking Lehrer.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2012, 02:40:24 AM
http://pdfob.tumblr.com/post/33408636830/a-caller-on-c-span-after-the-vp-debate-classic

grandma flashback time  :lol :'(
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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 12, 2012, 04:40:39 AM
Quote from: Eschaton on October 12, 2012, 02:10:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2012, 01:43:50 AM
on substantial stuff...

Biden pretty much contradicted the State Department's official line on Libya, and Ryan seemingly said Romney supports privatizing Social Security.

Moderation was solid but did anyone else roll their eyes at her framing Iran as the definitive threat to US security
Me. they must be over there like (http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/what.png)(http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/ehh.png) they really are thinking of invading us arent they?

I like the juxtaposition of Bill Cosby and Ahmedinejad. Odd Couple remake!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2012, 07:20:18 AM
IMO Biden did what he needed to do, which was to get Dems out of "OMG SKY IS FALLING" mode after the Presidential debate.
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Post by: Brehvolution on October 12, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 12, 2012, 01:56:08 AM
I thought she did a really good job up until the last couple of questions where it veered into creampuff territory.  First of all, I don't give a shit how your religion has affected you.  I would prefer you keep it fucking private.  And the "what makes you better than anyone else" thing was just fucking dumb.

Still, about a bazillion times better than fucking Lehrer.

Biden nailed it. He said he has his beliefs but that it shouldn't be imposed on non believers. It's called freedom.

on the radio this morning, this douche was saying, "Depending on who you ask, Ryan won easily." No shit, Sherlock.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 12, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 12, 2012, 01:56:08 AM
I thought she did a really good job up until the last couple of questions where it veered into creampuff territory.  First of all, I don't give a shit how your religion has affected you.  I would prefer you keep it fucking private.  And the "what makes you better than anyone else" thing was just fucking dumb.

Still, about a bazillion times better than fucking Lehrer.

on the radio this morning, this douche was saying, "Depending on who you ask, Ryan won easily." No shit, Sherlock.

"Depending on who you ask, America is controlled by lizard people who are using gang stalking to make you annoyed all the time."
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Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 12, 2012, 10:00:22 AM
Usually, coming off a debate, there's not really much in the way of gamechangers, so it's hardly surprising when people just stick with the person they liked going into the debate. After all, there's not really much in the way of objectively assessing points to definitively declare a winner. But last night's debate? I know it's impossible to really distance myself from my own biases, but I really can't fathom how anyone thinks that this was pretty much an even match.

Sure, Joe may have come across as unlikable via condescending laughter or aggressive interruption that may not play well with some viewers, but it just seemed to me that one guy had a pretty good understanding of actual facts, and the other was just peddling disingenuous talking points with no clear understanding of what any of it really meant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 11:17:22 AM
Joe for Prez!

I actually liked his laughing and such, was hilarious.
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Post by: Himu on October 12, 2012, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 12, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 12, 2012, 01:56:08 AM
I thought she did a really good job up until the last couple of questions where it veered into creampuff territory.  First of all, I don't give a shit how your religion has affected you.  I would prefer you keep it fucking private.  And the "what makes you better than anyone else" thing was just fucking dumb.

Still, about a bazillion times better than fucking Lehrer.

on the radio this morning, this douche was saying, "Depending on who you ask, Ryan won easily." No shit, Sherlock.

"Depending on who you ask, America is controlled by lizard people who are using gang stalking to make you annoyed all the time."

Do these lizard people at least taste good?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 12, 2012, 11:20:14 AM
Sure, depending on who you ask.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 12, 2012, 11:22:40 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 11:17:22 AM
Joe for Prez!

I actually liked his laughing and such, was hilarious.

So did I. But I can see why people might think it was rude or what have you.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 12, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
Debates are just getting more and more ferocious.  By 2016 we'll have mics dropping.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrDktE8D_gw

Dole's sickest line was something like "And I will address you as Mr. President.  Something you didn't do for Mr. Bush years ago."

http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm
(http://www.dolekemp96.org/interactive/computer/elizabeth.bmp)
Elizabeth Dole wallpapers :rock
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Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 12, 2012, 03:10:44 PM
Sweet. New background.

(http://i.imgur.com/3VWio.png)
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 12, 2012, 03:16:53 PM
IMO until people like Ryan and Romney are treated with the CONTEMPT they deserve (see Bidens performance) by the people making the choice, this country will continue its decline. Until facts and reason over style and whateverthefuckGOPvotersvalueohyeahrichpeople it'll continue to be a circus of garbage. Also, hearing any GOP supporter go on about MANNERS is fuckin HILARIOUS (yesimeantousethatword)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Quote from: fryinghigh on October 12, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
Debates are just getting more and more ferocious.  By 2016 we'll have mics dropping.

I'm in for a good wig-snatching.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:30:10 PM
I'm waiting for a debate where the moderator finally snaps and says "just answer the fucking question"
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
Debate participants should be strapped into electric chairs for the duration of the debate. If they lie or offer vague answers or stray from the questions, they get electrocuted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
I know most serious people out there already think Ryan is sort of a dumb asshole, but I do hope last night's debate puts to bed one and for all (it won't of course) the notion of Ryan as the SERIOUS POLICY WONK/GUBMINT MATH SUPERSTAR.  I mean those were sort of simple questions to answer if there were actually answers to them. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 12, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
I know most serious people out there already think Ryan is sort of a dumb asshole, but I do hope last night's debate puts to bed one and for all (it won't of course) the notion of Ryan as the SERIOUS POLICY WONK/GUBMINT MATH SUPERSTAR.  I mean those were sort of simple questions to answer if there were actually answers to them.

I really don't think so. A casual conversation with a coworker seemed to indicate that he was surprised that it was as close as it was -- what with Biden's reputation of being a gaffe machine and Ryan's reputation as a real numbers guy -- but as it turned out, Ryan only managed to narrowly win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I can see that.  I suspect Ryan's reputation as being a numbers guy might lead people to believe that he can make this fantasy scenario actually work.  Kind of like how people would assume someone in a doctor's coat in a hospital is a real doctor, and not just there to steal pills.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 12, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I can see that.  I suspect Ryan's reputation as being a numbers might lead people to believe that he can make this fantasy scenario actually work.  Kind of like how people would assume someone in a doctor's coat in a hospital is a real doctor, and not just there to steal pills.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
I know most serious people out there already think Ryan is sort of a dumb asshole, but I do hope last night's debate puts to bed one and for all (it won't of course) the notion of Ryan as the SERIOUS POLICY WONK/GUBMINT MATH SUPERSTAR.  I mean those were sort of simple questions to answer if there were actually answers to them. 

He would have answered all our questions, but mean Uncle Joe kept rudely interrupt the nice, clean-cut young man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 12, 2012, 05:08:36 PM
He did answer the question. They're going to work with Congress to come up with a plan! That's what all great leaders do. They have a clear goal. And endeavoring to come up with a plan is in itself a plan if you ask me. So, I'd say they've got it all figured out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
Everyone I've talked to about it today all said something along the same thing: Ryan has creepy fucking eyes, and his anecdotes for each point were lame as hell.  At the same time Biden's smiles creeped them out too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 12, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on October 12, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I can see that.  I suspect Ryan's reputation as being a numbers might lead people to believe that he can make this fantasy scenario actually work.  Kind of like how people would assume someone in a doctor's coat in a hospital is a real doctor, and not just there to steal pills.
(http://i.minus.com/ib0ftqy535EBBH.gif)

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 12, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
holy fuck :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 12, 2012, 05:23:45 PM
Everyone I've talked to about it today all said something along the same thing: Ryan has creepy fucking eyes, and his anecdotes for each point were lame as hell.  At the same time Biden's smiles creeped them out too.

Biden has a really expressive smile, like you can tell that he was smiling because he thought it was funny and not just smiling because he thought that was what he was supposed to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 12, 2012, 07:44:10 PM
(http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/clip2_Biden_Iran.gif)

I never knew Joe Biden was from Scranton, makes this image all the more hilarious.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 12, 2012, 08:07:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/oCX1G.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 12, 2012, 10:29:08 PM
Was watching the VP debate body language segment on Anderson Cooper just now: he facial expressions (especially his eyes) conveyed perpetually "surprise", something I didn't notice. He was clearly nervous, but I thought he hid it well (I mean, if we exclude that gallon of water he drank  :lol) Biden came across as much more relaxed, and was identified as such. But the woman said that when he put his hands to his mouth at one point during the debate, it was a sign of fear. I thought he was trying to contain his laughter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 12, 2012, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:48:06 PM
I can see that.  I suspect Ryan's reputation as being a numbers guy might lead people to believe that he can make this fantasy scenario actually work.  Kind of like how people would assume someone in a doctor's coat in a hospital is a real doctor, and not just there to steal pills.

Shit son, mind if I steal this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/obama/ci_21761706/shot-fired-at-obama-campaign-headquarters-denver
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 12, 2012, 11:21:16 PM
Was Ann Coulter in Denver at the time? I wouldn't put anything past that despicable woman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2012, 11:25:22 PM
Speaking of Coulter, she's apparently on Real Time right now arguing Obamacare is more extreme/government takeover than Social Security or Medicare, and thus Obama is a more socialist president than FDR. Amazing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Enl on October 12, 2012, 11:30:00 PM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c296/SamSawyr/RepubFreaked.jpg)

Thanks to Alex Winter this is all I can think off when I see Paul Ryan now. I wonder what his Freaked form would look like. Probably a giant bicep.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 12, 2012, 11:30:58 PM
I saw some shit from the debate last night and wow.  Good for Joe.

I'm hoping the Biden performance stops the hemorrhaging going on right now.  538 is looking brutal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2012, 11:33:00 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 12, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 12, 2012, 04:34:52 PM
I know most serious people out there already think Ryan is sort of a dumb asshole, but I do hope last night's debate puts to bed one and for all (it won't of course) the notion of Ryan as the SERIOUS POLICY WONK/GUBMINT MATH SUPERSTAR.  I mean those were sort of simple questions to answer if there were actually answers to them.

I really don't think so. A casual conversation with a coworker seemed to indicate that he was surprised that it was as close as it was -- what with Biden's reputation of being a gaffe machine and Ryan's reputation as a real numbers guy -- but as it turned out, Ryan only managed to narrowly win.

Wait, you mean to say that Biden's propensity for gaffes and Ryan's intelligence might be exaggerated? Impossible!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 13, 2012, 02:17:43 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2012, 02:47:17 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtjfpdddC1ruwc07o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 13, 2012, 03:49:01 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 13, 2012, 02:17:43 AM
(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/Lb/esq-paul-ryan-daughter-101212-xlg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/9VUIr.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2012, 03:50:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2012, 02:47:17 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbtjfpdddC1ruwc07o1_400.gif)

Someone on fb said he looked like Joffrey. I said he looked more like a Renly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/813496/thumbs/o-HAIRCUT-570.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2012, 11:09:32 AM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 13, 2012, 08:37:14 AM
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/813496/thumbs/o-HAIRCUT-570.jpg)

Draco Malfoy! :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 13, 2012, 07:59:51 PM
PPP is tweeting (https://mobile.twitter.com/ppppolls/tweets) some of the first reassuring polling news for Obama in about a week, Ohio 51-46, matching where Obama was before the first debate.  Also 20% of registered voters in Ohio have voted, and the vast majority went to Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 13, 2012, 08:12:46 PM
Yeah, over the last tumultuous week, Ohio - and especially Ohio early voting - has been the firewall that lets me sleep at night
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2012, 08:19:05 PM
Sounds like OFA is blowing Romney out the water in Ohio. I see them on campus all the time, they basically don't stop until they have someone registered/fill out ballot/etc

I don't like voting early. My polling place is within walking distance of my place so it's no hassle, yet the OFA folks are trying to convince me I might break my leg or be sick on November 6th so why not vote early blah blah blah. Chill bros, I'm good :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 13, 2012, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 13, 2012, 07:59:51 PM
PPP is tweeting (https://mobile.twitter.com/ppppolls/tweets) some of the first reassuring polling news for Obama in about a week, Ohio 51-46, matching where Obama was before the first debate.  Also 20% of registered voters in Ohio have voted, and the vast majority went to Obama.

I live in Ohio and I haven't voted yet.

In 2008, it was so exciting; EVERYONE wanted to cast their vote the day the polls opened. The early voting line went out the building and down the block. This year....meh. I'll get to it when I get to it  :P But since it's on my mind, I'll probably do it later this week.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 13, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
I think I'm just going to vote for Sherrod Brown. Won't bother voting for President. There's no real juicy races/issues in Ohio this year.


Issue 1   Constitutional convention    Would create a convention to revise, alter or amend the state constitution.
Issue 2   Redistricting    Would create a citizen commission to draw legislative and congressional district maps.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 13, 2012, 08:48:52 PM
I voted early.  Otherwise I wouldn't bother to wait in line to go and vote on voting day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 13, 2012, 09:14:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mZVlN.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
Watching VP debate.

Amazing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 13, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 13, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
I think I'm just going to vote for Sherrod Brown. Won't bother voting for President. There's no real juicy races/issues in Ohio this year.


Issue 1   Constitutional convention    Would create a convention to revise, alter or amend the state constitution.
Issue 2   Redistricting    Would create a citizen commission to draw legislative and congressional district maps.

Vote for what you think is right and live with the consequences like the rest of us. It's all we're asked to do.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2012, 11:00:22 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 13, 2012, 08:47:49 PM
I think I'm just going to vote for Sherrod Brown. Won't bother voting for President. There's no real juicy races/issues in Ohio this year.


Issue 1   Constitutional convention    Would create a convention to revise, alter or amend the state constitution.
Issue 2   Redistricting    Would create a citizen commission to draw legislative and congressional district maps.

Brown is quite a liberal, probably the idealogical opposite of you on most issues. Any reason for voting for him, besides his manly voice?

What a hilarious race that has been though. The most expensive non-presidential race in the country, and the best candidate the GOP could muster was a 12 year old boy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 13, 2012, 10:22:36 PM
Vote for what you think is right and live with the consequences like the rest of us. It's all we're asked to do.
Can't. GOP gonna GOP and decided they know better about what choices I should be allowed to have.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 14, 2012, 05:07:55 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark

Brown is quite a liberal, probably the idealogical opposite of you on most issues. Any reason for voting for him, besides his manly voice?


I don't have a problem voting for a liberal if they are good at what they do and the other candidate is inferior. I have voted for Marcy Kaptur and John Glenn in the past.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2012, 11:09:09 AM
Yeah, from what I remember TA is one of that dying breed of self-identifying conservatives that still believes the govt. shouldn't be drowned in a bathtub.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 14, 2012, 01:40:31 PM
hey guys arlen specter died
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2012, 01:55:14 PM
A friend of mine didn't even know he had switched parties when he read the PR I got and I started wondering and looking at some of the "famous" party switchers like Jim Jeffords and Zell Miller, etc.

Are there any party switchers you guys can think of recently who have mattered beyond whatever election season they went "OUR GUY SUCKS VOTE THE OTHER!"?

Just to disqualify, any of those congressman who went "oh shit, my district is trending the wrong way, hey did you hear about those gay black illegal immigrants?"

And there's guys like Lieberman and Chafee who went I...but...switching parties?

I'm drawing a real blank. I have to be missing someone?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
I remember someone switching parties early in Bush's term, which gave republicans control of the house.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Might you be thinking of Jeffords? He swapped from R to I but caucused with the Dems to break the tie and take the majority away from Cheney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 14, 2012, 02:05:55 PM
Was just gonna say, probably thinking of Jeffords.  Thurmond's probably the most famous/longest serving party-switcher.

And as craven and temporary as Specter's switch was, it might be the most important, since it gave Democrats a 60th vote and the ACA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2012, 02:10:18 PM
One thing I always wonder about Specter is if he actually expected Democrats to trust him with that switch. The GOP hadn't trusted him for years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 14, 2012, 02:14:28 PM
I imagine they were fairly explicit about their expectations for him and what he would be getting in return.  You support this list of major agenda items, and in return you get some seniority and the national party's support in the general election/noninterference in the event of a primary challenge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2012, 02:40:54 PM
Ralph Hall from Texas switched to Republican back in 2004. He was basically a Republican anyway, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2012, 04:28:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 14, 2012, 02:14:28 PM
I imagine they were fairly explicit about their expectations for him and what he would be getting in return.  You support this list of major agenda items, and in return you get some seniority and the national party's support in the general election/noninterference in the event of a primary challenge.
He probably did think the party's support mattered after beating Toomey. Just didn't realize it had been six years. (Although IIRC, big chunks of the GOP were backing Toomey to get another shot and defeat him in the primary. At least the Tea Party types and such.)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2012, 05:58:55 PM
There was a bit of party changing that happened after '94.  Ben Nighthorse Campbell (CO senator) switched, that sort of fucked the dems a bit.  A funny image is that at his press conference, you had a bunch of GOP idiots wearing bolo ties in solidarity with him or whatever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 14, 2012, 10:20:27 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/seeing-a-homosexual-agenda-christian-group-protests-an-anti-bullying-program.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/us/seeing-a-homosexual-agenda-christian-group-protests-an-anti-bullying-program.html)

 :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2012, 10:24:00 PM
WWJB?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
fegs, that's who.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2012, 10:24:18 PM
Well, I've always said that there's no better way to spread the love of Christ than with some good old-fashioned gay-bashing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2012, 05:43:52 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2012, 10:24:18 PM
Well, I've always said that there's no better way to spread the love of Christ than with some good old-fashioned gay-bashing.

Mitt Romney likes this post.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2012, 09:10:18 AM
The frequently referred to six studies that back up Romney's tax plan: (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/romney-challenged-on-six-studies-validating-tax-plan.php?ref=fpa)

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Of the six studies, two are blog posts by the conservative American Enterprise Institute; one is a report by the Republican-friendly Heritage Foundation; one is a paper by Princeton professor and former George W. Bush adviser Harvey Rosen; the fifth and sixth are a paper and Wall Street Journal op-ed by Harvard economist Martin Feldstein, an adviser to the Romney campaign.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 15, 2012, 09:40:50 AM
whoops

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/world/middleeast/jihadists-receiving-most-arms-sent-to-syrian-rebels.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — Most of the arms shipped at the behest of Saudi Arabia and Qatar to supply Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, and not the more secular opposition groups that the West wants to bolster, according to American officials and Middle Eastern diplomats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2012, 09:41:38 AM
Why is the Heritage foundation still credible? Didn't they also say that the Bush tax cuts would have eliminated the deficit by 2010?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 15, 2012, 10:47:02 AM
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/10/live-chart?fsrc=scn/tw/te/dc/gopsmacked

America's stockmarket has gained more under Democratic than Republican presidents, The Economist argues. Can't argue with the data.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2012, 12:17:00 PM
amazing stat of the day

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Sarah Palin's leadership political action committee "spent more than $774,000 during the year's third quarter after taking in more than $843,500 -- the bulk of it from donors who contributed $200 or less," Politico reports.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2012, 03:41:35 PM
If Missouri is the "show me state" and they elect Todd Akin, what exactly are they showing the rest of us?  That they shouldn't get to vote anymore?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 15, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
as a missouri resident, im ok with disenfranchising us
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 12:38:29 AM
This has probably been discussed elsewhere, but does Hillary falling on the sword over Libya end any 2016 talk? I thought it was unlikely to begin with because of her age, but this seems like a final nail in her political career.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 12:50:59 AM
That's what it seems like to me. On one hand I doubt Libya will be some major issue in 2016 but if she had national ambitions I'd imagine this would be handled differently. Not that the administration has handled this amazingly, but overall the fallout has largely been a partisan hit job to inflate something bigger than it should be - or would be under previous presidents.

The embassy asked for more security and was rebuffed by higher ups at the state department; and as a state department issue it never landed in the White House. To make matters worse, the place wasn't even an embassy - it was a CIA front, meaning we'll likely never have a true understanding of what went down/why.

The worse thing about all this shit is that Glenn Back was pretty much right about something. Shortly after the attack I heard him suggest Stevens was actually a CIA agent, based on stories of how he was smuggled into countries on cargo ships and other things. I can't find the clip on youtube though  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 12:57:43 AM
Haven't been following this too closely, but if she ran she'd do at least as well as last time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:04:12 AM
Well yea, she'd almost certainly get the nomination. But I just don't get the impression that she wants it; her husband seems to be pushing it according to a few reports, hence him going all-out for Obama this year. She seems burnt out. Who knows, maybe she writes a book in two years, does some interviews, etc...

I hope she runs of course. It would certainly save us from having to settle for Andrew Cuomo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 01:34:27 AM
Joe Biden in 2016
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 01:42:47 AM
I'm starting to get increasingly nervous.  Obama needs to smoke Romney tomorrow or this thing could be fucked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 03:47:33 AM
Not exactly political, but I thought this was hilarious.

I was subbing at a school today and the class I was in for had a student teacher...and in this class was a very fervent Obama supporter. He's in the 7h or 8th grade. He had an Obama sticker on in class. He's black, BTW.

Anyway, they class was going over a lesson and was giving example sentences for the word "monotonous". Obama-guy went, "Mitt Romney gives monotonous speeches". This irritated the student teacher (who is white, BTW). She then gave some rant about how what he said is just an opinion....and how Obama could be thought of an a monotonous speaker (giving an almost dead-on impression of the way he speaks: the quick string of 4 or 5 words and then the long pause in between). "Some people could view THAT as monotonous."

REALLY? :lol

So then we move on and the kids are asked to give examples of characters/people they thought were monotonous. Obama-guy raises his hand, she calls on him, and I thought, "Oh shit, here we go again.  :lol"

-"MITT ROMNEY."

I started cracking up. But this time, the teacher went OFF on him. "We all know you like Obama and it's really starting to get annoying" and blah blah blah. She even pulled him out of class for a few minutes (to further reprimand him, I assumed).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 05:42:04 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 01:42:47 AM
I'm starting to get increasingly nervous.  Obama needs to smoke Romney tomorrow or this thing could be fucked.

Really?  Polls have been pretty good for Obama the past few days. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 06:44:53 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 01:42:47 AM
I'm starting to get increasingly nervous.  Obama needs to smoke Romney tomorrow or this thing could be fucked.
All this "OBAMA IS GOING AGGRO" stuff is dumb in the next two debates. The town halls aren't made for going after each other, is he going to blunder into a Kerry's out of nowhere rambling about lumber futures by trying to go after Romney personally? Then you get foreign policy when we know the administration doesn't want to talk about Libya and Romney wants any chance to chip away at any Osama grandstanding.

Obama screwed up the first debate, you just move on. He's going to win unless he overcompensates and comes off as the Marxist Kenyan usurper he is.

Biden was mostly irrelevant other than firing up the party nutjobs, the real thing about the VP debates was that Ryan kept to the campaign message, loved that Medicare and wasn't out there talking about the anarchist hellscape he's envisioned where spending only goes up by $1 trillion less than Obama and we have the Patriot Act forever, no medical marijuana and TARP as many times as any big business wants. People despised Paul Ryan so getting a near-draw was good enough. (And the GOP got on a circle jerk over Biden being the most human debater in ages...which he was also during 2008 primaries but nobody cared.)

The Obama team did the same thing as the Bush team in 2004. They put their strongest debate first and bombed on it. They've stopped the bleeding by not getting rolled twice with the VP debate, but they have to compete in two weaker debates. Which is fine if you can hold the map against the challenger, but doesn't let you just end things with the town-hall + strongest. (IIRC, Clinton had this setup in 1992 and it let him keep the Perot abandonders.)

Not that Obama can't dominate and close things out, just from a tactical perspective.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 15, 2012, 03:41:35 PM
If Missouri is the "show me state" and they elect Todd Akin, what exactly are they showing the rest of us?  That they shouldn't get to vote anymore?
They did elect a dead guy. Although that's a positive in my opinion.

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 15, 2012, 09:41:38 AM
Why is the Heritage foundation still credible? Didn't they also say that the Bush tax cuts would have eliminated the deficit by 2010?
Why is anyone who makes ten year budget/economic predictions credible? :teehee

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 01:34:27 AM
Joe Biden in 2016
Wasn't there an article in the wake of his debate performance where some dope was arguing he was now the frontrunner?  :lol

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:04:12 AM
I hope she runs of course. It would certainly save us from having to settle for Andrew Cuomo
What, you don't like Deval Patrick?!? Or Kristen Gillibrand? Joe Manchin?

I do wonder what Feingold is up to...

Feingold v. Rand Paul v. Gary.

Make it happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 07:11:10 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 05:42:04 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 01:42:47 AM
I'm starting to get increasingly nervous.  Obama needs to smoke Romney tomorrow or this thing could be fucked.

Really?  Polls have been pretty good for Obama the past few days.

The bleeding has stopped, that doesn't necessarily mean that they're pretty good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 07:15:15 AM
Even with the bleed out over the last week, Romney still has to work to flip Ohio and Virginia plus some Iowa/Nevada situation. Unless Obama loses his mind in the town hall, everything is going to drift back to him. He won't get the landslide some people were hoping but he should only have up to go from here.

This was never a Bush-Kerry situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 08:40:51 AM
A town hall-style debate on foreign policy is probably a bad time to come out all 'badass' and cocky. It's probably more important to look like you are empathetic to the people's concerns while stressing all the successes you have had over the past 4 years. 

If anything, Obama should be passive-aggressive and attempt to convince people that Romney is going to significantly worsen our relations with China and Iran. Moderates are weary of unneeded further escalations.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 08:44:08 AM
I think the town-hall tonight is "any topic" and it's the debate next week that's just foreign policy. Maybe I should check.

EDIT: Yeah, it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 08:48:52 AM
I think you are right. I may be confusing the two. It doesn't make sense to have 'regular folk'  ask foreign policy questions.

Pretend my cutting analysis is from the future.




Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 08:51:38 AM
We basically agree though (see above for ramblings), the town-hall and foreign policy debates are harder to get on aggressive on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 08:40:51 AM
A town hall-style debate on foreign policy is probably a bad time to come out all 'badass' and cocky. It's probably more important to look like you are empathetic to the people's concerns while stressing all the successes you have had over the past 4 years. 

If anything, Obama should be passive-aggressive and attempt to convince people that Romney is going to significantly worsen our relations with China and Iran. Moderates are weary of unneeded further escalations.

Preview of tonight's debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SFXQfE4kk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 16, 2012, 09:21:50 AM
If Obama wanted to aggressively shoot down bullshit his time to do it was two weeks ago in the man vs man format. He can't take questions from an audience and be a dick about it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
I can't really bring myself to read political blogs anymore, I'm so fucked in the head right now. The idea of a President Romney basically has me fearing Mandatory Homo Re-education Camps, Roe vs. Wade overturned, Obamacare repealed, war with Iran, and deficits spiraling out of control (because for all their tough talk, as soon as their boy's back in the office, the deficit suddenly ceases to be an issue). Plus everyone's taxes go up (oops sorry math is hard), except for people making $250,000 a year or more somehow. SAVE ME FROM THIS NIGHTMARE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 12:39:34 PM
If Obama gets his ass kicked tonight..game over
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 01:04:31 PM
Things were looking so good two weeks ago, too.  SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TRY TO GO ON VACATION, TREESONG???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 16, 2012, 01:04:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDch-PTtKEs

the return of the magenta yenta
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
The Supreme Court just declined to hear Ohio's challenge of the early voting ruling that will open voting to all citizens for three days before Election Day. No way Romney wins Ohio now, and its hard to see him winnig the election without it

OFA just might blow the doors off conventional wisdom/likely voter models. Can't wait to see some exit polls on Latino and black voting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: Eric P on October 16, 2012, 01:04:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDch-PTtKEs

the return of the magenta yenta

"I'm for jobs and stuff."

Good Lord :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 16, 2012, 01:15:20 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
The Supreme Court just declined to hear Ohio's challenge of the early voting ruling that will open voting to all citizens for three days before Election Day. No way Romney wins Ohio now, and its hard to see him winnig the election without it

OFA just might blow the doors off conventional wisdom/likely voter models. Can't wait to see some exit polls on Latino and black voting

This has to be the most transparent of all the voter suppression laws. I cannot fathom how anyone would stand for that shit.

What is the justification, saving .0001% of the Ohio budget by reducing hours for poll workers in a recession?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
The idea of a President Romney basically has me fearing Mandatory Homo Re-education Camps, Roe vs. Wade overturned, Obamacare repealed
:lol
Quote
war with Iran, and deficits spiraling out of control (because for all their tough talk, as soon as their boy's back in the office, the deficit suddenly ceases to be an issue). Plus everyone's taxes go up
You get these either way! Yaaaay democracy!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
Yeah, that's part of why I am so desperate for Obama - if the big shit is the same no matter what (unnecessary military-industrial expansion, economic stagnation, "the new normal" of 8% unemployment) - then the smaller issues (a functional health care system, women/LGBT social issues, not pissing off the entire rest of the world) have even more importance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
I can't really bring myself to read political blogs anymore, I'm so fucked in the head right now. The idea of a President Romney basically has me fearing Mandatory Homo Re-education Camps, Roe vs. Wade overturned, Obamacare repealed, war with Iran, and deficits spiraling out of control (because for all their tough talk, as soon as their boy's back in the office, the deficit suddenly ceases to be an issue). Plus everyone's taxes go up (oops sorry math is hard), except for people making $250,000 a year or more somehow. SAVE ME FROM THIS NIGHTMARE.

Living in Washington state, I'll be insulated from a lot of the Romney administration fallout, but I still have a hard time with the possibility that he'll win. That moderate motherfucker who surfaced the other week will be lone gone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on October 16, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
I dont know anything about Romney, but this place is gonna be so funny in November.  :lol Cant wait.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Why do you assume that HCR is going to create a 'functional health care system'? All it appears to do is draw more people into the current one we have had (with costs continuing to raise faster than inflation). 

Granted, it's an improvement in access, especially for the yoofs and some of the working poor. But I wouldn't call it functional.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 01:52:12 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on October 16, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
I dont know anything about Romney, but this place is gonna be so funny in November.  :lol Cant wait.

Eh, I dealt just fine with Bush winning. Twice. I'll be fine if Mitt wins. I'll be pissed off, but still fine.

Also, I think the "running away to Canada" threat is childish. This is my country, too. I'll stay and stand up for what I believe in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2012, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 01:45:43 PM
Why do you assume that HCR is going to create a 'functional health care system'? All it appears to do is draw more people into the current one we have had (with costs continuing to raise faster than inflation). 

Granted, it's an improvement in access, especially for the yoofs and some of the working poor. But I wouldn't call it functional.

Getting everybody into the system is a vital part of a functional first-world health care system. You can't have one without the other (as even Romney admits). ACA has a lot of problems but it's laying the foundation for modernizing and improving our health care system. The Republican edict of "repeal and don't replace" is just going to drop us back to the same broken nightmare we had before. They don't care about fixing our health care system, just undoing Obama's signature achievement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 01:16:49 PM
Quote
war with Iran, and deficits spiraling out of control (because for all their tough talk, as soon as their boy's back in the office, the deficit suddenly ceases to be an issue). Plus everyone's taxes go up
You get these either way! Yaaaay democracy!

lol no you don't
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 02:16:13 PM
Unless there is some kind of wave election in the future, I don't see much of anything getting done in the foreseeable future no matter who takes office.

In this tit-for-tat era of politics, the Republicans have essentially given the Democrats a blank check to do whatever they want in terms of obstructionism. A cynic might say they are the party more likely to buckle, because they are always whoring themselves out for new legislature, but I think things will be different.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2012, 02:21:47 PM
I'm just interested to see if a 5 year long smear campaign can sway enough people. It's turned my in-laws into bumbling morons so I know that it's a powerful force.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 16, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
Part of me wants to drive past Hofstra after work today and see if he can get a glimpse at the candidates...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
Quote
all 21 members of America’s largest reality television family are scheduled to make campaign appearances for the embattled Missouri senate candidate.

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar received national attention from their TLC reality show “19 Kids and Counting,” which chronicles their life raising nine girls and ten boys – all of whom have names beginning with the letter “J.” The Duggars, who share Akin’s pro-life views, are hoping to bring their wholesome family charm to Akin’s campaign, which is trying to close the gap between the congressman and Sen. Claire McCaskill.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
The Supreme Court just declined to hear Ohio's challenge of the early voting ruling that will open voting to all citizens for three days before Election Day. No way Romney wins Ohio now, and its hard to see him winnig the election without it

OFA just might blow the doors off conventional wisdom/likely voter models. Can't wait to see some exit polls on Latino and black voting

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=JmJ

It's possible for Romney to win, just veeeeeery hard.  I don't see Obama winning Ohio but losing Iowa, for instance.  Who the fuck knows at this point.  I'm severely gloomy about pretty much fucking everything today because my car won't start, it's not the battery and the fragile budget I had constructed that had me going back to school full time next semester appears to be fucked all to hell.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2012, 03:00:36 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
Quote
all 21 members of America’s largest reality television family are scheduled to make campaign appearances for the embattled Missouri senate candidate.

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar received national attention from their TLC reality show “19 Kids and Counting,” which chronicles their life raising nine girls and ten boys – all of whom have names beginning with the letter “J.” The Duggars, who share Akin’s pro-life views, are hoping to bring their wholesome family charm to Akin’s campaign, which is trying to close the gap between the congressman and Sen. Claire McCaskill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 16, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiwCNnbelZg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 03:05:39 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
the fragile budget I had constructed that had me going back to school full time next semester appears to be fucked all to hell.

Sounds just like the Ryan Budget!

Also:
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
The Supreme Court just declined to hear Ohio's challenge of the early voting ruling that will open voting to all citizens for three days before Election Day. No way Romney wins Ohio now, and its hard to see him winnig the election without it

OFA just might blow the doors off conventional wisdom/likely voter models. Can't wait to see some exit polls on Latino and black voting

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=JmJ

It's possible for Romney to win, just veeeeeery hard.  I don't see Obama winning Ohio but losing Iowa, for instance.  Who the fuck knows at this point.  I'm severely gloomy about pretty much fucking everything today because my car won't start, it's not the battery and the fragile budget I had constructed that had me going back to school full time next semester appears to be fucked all to hell.

True...but at the same time Iowa has had early voting for awhile now and Obama is up big time already. I don't think Romney can win there due to that; Obama would eek out a 270-268 victory
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 16, 2012, 03:14:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0PeBwzvQds

omg this guy is hilarious  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 03:47:52 PM
Have you read the Newsweek article? It isn't about Obama being a homosexual, but about him being the first President to truly support Gay Rights.
tacgnolol 1 day ago

Yeah, but how many people saw the headline and did not read the article? A big cover photo of Obama with a rainbow around his head sure looks homosexual to me. Any real, red blooded American President would have objected. Can you imagine a news magazine trying that with Ronald Reagan or Harry Truman? Incidentally, have you ever read Obama's poem "Pop" which most critics believe describes a homosexual encounter Obama had with an older man, most likely Frank Marshall Davis?
thirdeaglebooks in reply to tacgnolol 1 day ago

I'm convinced.  :supergay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 04:11:08 PM
Onion headline:

Obama Excited To Participate In First Debate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 16, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 02:58:15 PM
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all 21 members of America’s largest reality television family are scheduled to make campaign appearances for the embattled Missouri senate candidate.

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar received national attention from their TLC reality show “19 Kids and Counting,” which chronicles their life raising nine girls and ten boys – all of whom have names beginning with the letter “J.” The Duggars, who share Akin’s pro-life views, are hoping to bring their wholesome family charm to Akin’s campaign, which is trying to close the gap between the congressman and Sen. Claire McCaskill.

Man, the kind of people they'll put on TLC!  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: My conservative friend
We definitely have a budget problem in this country, and we need something to fix it.
 
As radical as everyone claims Ryan's budget(s) to be, they still didn't balance the budget til 2040. Romney's had a 57 point plan, a 9 point plan, a 5 point plan, a 120 point plan... If anything, that shows there is a multitude of things that can be tweaked or reformed to help turn things around.

I'm dying. That's too funny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:12:21 PM
It's an opportunity to dissuade them from Paul Ryan's big government expansion, 2040 is irrelevant, it increases spending over the next ten years. Since it's not Ryan signing off on budgets, and Congress doesn't have to tie itself to anything, it'll surely increase by more than that. (Especially since Romney has done away with half of it or more.)

It's bad enough the ticket has a big spending Massachusetts Liberal who created ObamaCare, supported abortion and is against full gun rights on top, but they also have the TARP-supporting, Medicare Part D supporting, budget busting, entitlement ignoring Paul Ryan on the bottom of the ticket.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 05:18:49 PM
Ryan's budget is pretty much a farce, but it only "increases spending over the next ten years" in nominal dollar terms at what, 3%?  So surely that would work out to lower real spending per capita, especially if you believe that the fed's loose money policy is going to trigger massive inflation any minute now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
I'm not talking to you libduhhhrals, I'm talking to the America loving conservative who might throw his vote away on the Romney/Ryan ticket!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
Also, anything that happened before 2009 took place in the Republican Expanded Universe, and shouldn't be considered canon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: My conservative friend
We definitely have a budget problem in this country, and we need something to fix it.
 
As radical as everyone claims Ryan's budget(s) to be, they still didn't balance the budget til 2040. Romney's had a 57 point plan, a 9 point plan, a 5 point plan, a 120 point plan... If anything, that shows there is a multitude of things that can be tweaked or reformed to help turn things around.

I'm dying. That's too funny.

Obviously we go with the 120 point plan, because more points are better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
Also, anything that happened before 2009 took place in the Republican Expanded Universe, and shouldn't be considered canon.
Reagan defeated the Soviet Union.

Check...and MATE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 16, 2012, 05:32:18 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Reagan defeated the Soviet Union.

Check...and MATE.

You can attribute it to Reagan, I'll attribute it to Rocky defeating Ivan Drago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:34:11 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 16, 2012, 05:32:18 PM
You can attribute it to Reagan, I'll attribute it to Rocky defeating Ivan Drago.
Dolph Lundgren is a conservative, it was an inside job. QED. DEAL WITH IT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
Also, anything that happened before 2009 took place in the Republican Expanded Universe, and shouldn't be considered canon.
Reagan defeated outspent the Soviet Union.

Check...and MATE.

Fixed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2012, 05:39:33 PM
i need my sedatives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:47:49 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 16, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
Fixed
Another failure of Keynesian economics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
Also, anything that happened before 2009 took place in the Republican Expanded Universe, and shouldn't be considered canon.
Reagan defeated the Soviet Union.

Check...and MATE.

Reagan defeating the USSR is an integral part of the movement conservative origin story and must be included in any reboot.  Therefor Reagan beating the reds didn't already happen, but rather iterations of Reagan winning are constantly and perpetually happening.  It's like a Neil Gaiman situation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 16, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
Quote from: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 05:12:21 PM
It's an opportunity to dissuade them from Paul Ryan's big government expansion, 2040 is irrelevant, it increases spending over the next ten years. Since it's not Ryan signing off on budgets, and Congress doesn't have to tie itself to anything, it'll surely increase by more than that. (Especially since Romney has done away with half of it or more.)

It's bad enough the ticket has a big spending Massachusetts Liberal who created ObamaCare, supported abortion and is against full gun rights on top, but they also have the TARP-supporting, Medicare Part D supporting, budget busting, entitlement ignoring Paul Ryan on the bottom of the ticket.

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2012, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 16, 2012, 05:32:18 PM
You can attribute it to Reagan, I'll attribute it to Rocky defeating Ivan Drago.
On an entirely unrelated endeavor, I just came across some shocking facts.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/SilvesterStalloneBrigiteNielsen.jpg)

Cold. Warriors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
those are some ugly-ass bow-ties
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2012, 07:08:55 PM
is nancy reagan dead?

edit: wiki says no, and also shows what her signature looks like for some reason
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
Nancy's head is huge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 08:20:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 03:11:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
The Supreme Court just declined to hear Ohio's challenge of the early voting ruling that will open voting to all citizens for three days before Election Day. No way Romney wins Ohio now, and its hard to see him winnig the election without it

OFA just might blow the doors off conventional wisdom/likely voter models. Can't wait to see some exit polls on Latino and black voting

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=JmJ

It's possible for Romney to win, just veeeeeery hard.  I don't see Obama winning Ohio but losing Iowa, for instance.  Who the fuck knows at this point.  I'm severely gloomy about pretty much fucking everything today because my car won't start, it's not the battery and the fragile budget I had constructed that had me going back to school full time next semester appears to be fucked all to hell.

True...but at the same time Iowa has had early voting for awhile now and Obama is up big time already. I don't think Romney can win there due to that; Obama would eek out a 270-268 victory

I still think Obama will win, he just won't get the kind of win that he enjoyed in 2008 or what he would have received had he won the first debate.

Which kind of throws a wrench in plans because I think the cult set wanted to turn Obama into the Democratic Reagan.  A by the skin of the teeth victory will put the kibosh to that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
Quote
Democratic Reagan


Reagan?  You mean the Republican FDR?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
FDR? You mean the Democratic Teddy Roosevelt? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 08:47:03 PM
FDR? You mean the Republican Teddy Roosevelt? :smug

...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 08:51:01 PM
Whatever!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2012, 08:51:46 PM
squeeeee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 09:01:17 PM
ZOMG GUYZ I AM FREAKING OUT OVER HERE

*sets genitals on fire*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:03:24 PM
will there be slapstick featured in this debate?  Has there been any polls on the optics of opponent tripping in the hall? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
Oh boy, Romney being really vague again!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 09:06:08 PM
I can barely watch this I'm so nervous
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 09:06:33 PM
Could Romney be any more vague?

Jeeze...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:07:01 PM
Wow. Romney literally didn't say anything.

"I will get you a job!" Oh really?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:07:20 PM
Oh my! Substance! :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 09:08:20 PM
Obama gettin all specific up in hurrr
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
Romney is literally not saying anything at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:10:48 PM
"Romney doesn't have a 5-point plan, he has a 1 point plan!"

:omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:10:55 PM
"1 point plan"

zing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
Romney is already floundering like a fish on dry land. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
OMG, have your paper out dude. Obama ain't got time for dat!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2012, 09:13:02 PM
Moderator shut Romney down   :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
yay.  Way early but I'm liking Obama's performance.  Romney trying to talk down the moderator also did not look too good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 09:15:28 PM
obama's balls have dropped :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
There's a Big Bird joke hanging out there, wonder if Obama is gonna bite  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
It's so painful listening to Romney, because he's taking so many words to say so very little.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:18:08 PM
Obama going for the jugular. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:18:38 PM
Is as if the last debate got flipped on its head entirely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
hahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2012, 09:19:06 PM
shit it's on

mics dropping tonight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 09:19:16 PM
hahahahahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
OH MY GOOOOOOOOD!!!! :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
this is INSANE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
Mitt: It's true!
Obama: It's not true!
Mitt: It's true!
Obama: It's not true!
Mitt: It's true!
Obama: It's not true!

*wrings hands*  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:20:40 PM
Oh snap. Romney basically told Obama to shut up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2012, 09:20:45 PM
i can't believe this is happening
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
this is amazing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 09:22:40 PM
Yeah prices might go down - when Romney tanks the ecomony :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 09:23:23 PM
Romney HAS to get the last word.  Making him look petty.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:24:13 PM
Every time Romney talks down the moderator, the tracker dips way down. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
Where did they get these people from? JESUS FUCK
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2012, 09:25:06 PM
lol someone on gaf:

"romney is so winning"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
They're both losing in my eyes.  If only Obama could tag team Biden in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
They're both losing in my eyes.  If only Obama could tag team Biden in.

agreed, but at least we're getting a heck of a show out of it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:26:21 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 16, 2012, 09:25:06 PM
lol someone on gaf:

"romney is so winning"

Romney is getting desperate more than anything; he can feel the shift in momentum toward Obama. He's trying to wrestle it back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
Quote
Obama is coming off weak and flaccid

looooooool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Damian79 on October 16, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
There should be like a projector in these debates where poeple can show wtf they are talking about.  The whole "it's true, it's not true" was truly disgusting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 09:32:25 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
Romney is coming off pretty cringeworthy.  I'm not sure how anyone could say he is winning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:34:01 PM
Big Bird!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:34:49 PM
Obama with another right hook.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
"You wouldn't take such a sketchy deal!"

Boom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
Obama isn't making the point about the implausibillity of Romney's taxplan nearly as well as he could.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:35:40 PM
Sweet, so sweet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
"You wouldn't take such a sketchy deal!"

Boom.
(http://i.minus.com/ij1L0mwcRxEWI.gif)

That was pretty ace.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
OF COURSE THEY ADD UP.  I think that will be the nail in this debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 09:39:04 PM
I'm curious to see how Romney will handle this question...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 16, 2012, 09:39:05 PM
the best (worst) part are the lawn guyland accents of the students... Obama killing it so far at least!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:39:33 PM
LMAO, all the women independents in that CNN study just jizzed at that breadwinner remark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:39:56 PM
If Obama doesn't get a bump of a points over the next week, I'll be very surprised.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:40:30 PM
Whoa, guys, Romney hired a woman one time!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Spurgeon on October 16, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
I'm only listening to the debate, and Romney sounds testy to say the least.

How is his demeanor coming across visually?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
Romney seems to be winning more women over with his answer than Obama according to that CNN ticker
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:43:31 PM
I thought we were talking about women in the workforce....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
Money! Booze! Binders full of women!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
‎"If you're going to have women in the workforce..."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
‎"If you're going to have women in the workforce..."

That made me LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 16, 2012, 09:44:59 PM
Contraception coverage will play pretty well to the Hofstra crowd, IIRC that school has the highest percentage of students with STDs....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:45:34 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:44:21 PM
‎"If you're going to have women in the workforce..."

That made me LOL
My wife busted up so hard.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 09:45:58 PM
Damn, this lady just dropped a bomb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
LOL, interesting question
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:46:07 PM
Oh snap, Obama is going to tear this one up when his chance comes up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 09:46:29 PM
 :o

OOOOOOOOH DUCKING THE QUESTION
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
Romney comes across as such a whiney little bitch  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
*BUSH BOMB*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on October 16, 2012, 09:47:58 PM
This thing is awesome. LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
Obama owes this lady dick pics or something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 09:49:56 PM
Bams is throwing China right back at Mitt. :omg

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:51:20 PM
Ew, don't give Bush any credit for anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
Romney isn't asking for the last word.  He just wants that moment to be over with, haha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 09:52:12 PM
Obama seems to be dominating the time counter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:52:22 PM
Romney is licking his chops at this question. Obama better give a great answer
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If Romney were smart, he'd fire back with that Obama, with the knowledge of Bush's policies, has only increased and embraced them, particularly if we're talking about legal surveying and spying of citizens.

But of course he won't. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If Romney were smart, he'd fire back with that Obama, with the knowledge of Bush's policies, has only increased and embraced them, particularly if we're talking about legal surveying and spying of citizens.


What are you referring to?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 09:57:01 PM
The tracker is looking pretty flat when Romney's talking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2012, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If Romney were smart, he'd fire back with that Obama, with the knowledge of Bush's policies, has only increased and embraced them, particularly if we're talking about legal surveying and spying of citizens.

But of course he won't. :teehee

why would mitt hit him with that when he supports the same policies? c'mon dude
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 09:58:01 PM
This was an easy question for Romney....but he isn't really winning anyone over with his answer.

The question was basically "Tell us why Obama sucks"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If Romney were smart, he'd fire back with that Obama, with the knowledge of Bush's policies, has only increased and embraced them, particularly if we're talking about legal surveying and spying of citizens.

But of course he won't. :teehee

Yeah, he should run on a civil liberties platform cause that's super popular!

Stop reading Friedersdorf.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:01:57 PM
Has Obama won the election yet? I've been playing Borderlands.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 10:01:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If Romney were smart, he'd fire back with that Obama, with the knowledge of Bush's policies, has only increased and embraced them, particularly if we're talking about legal surveying and spying of citizens.

But of course he won't. :teehee

Yeah, he should run on a civil liberties platform cause that's super popular!

Stop reading Friedersdorf.

Or Glennzilla
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:02:01 PM
https://twitter.com/RomneysBinder  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:02:14 PM
They've started showing the two-minute timer behind the current speaker. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:03:21 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:02:14 PM
They've started showing the two-minute timer behind the current speaker. :lol

Does the band start playing after the 2 minutes?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 16, 2012, 10:03:25 PM
ROFL at Obama saying "reduce our backlog", reminds me of being on GAF... and lol at him saying "gangbangers".

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:05:44 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 09:55:38 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 09:52:46 PM
If Romney were smart, he'd fire back with that Obama, with the knowledge of Bush's policies, has only increased and embraced them, particularly if we're talking about legal surveying and spying of citizens.


What are you referring to?

The main policy that infringe on American liberties is NDAA.

Despite bringing up spying in his Bush rebuttal, the democrats haven't even tried to get rid of the Patriot Act and under Obama's administration, more citizens have been spied on that Bush's.  (http://news.yahoo.com/u-government-accused-spying-citizens-intercepting-trillions-emails-015047339.html)

That was an easy one for Romney. And he fucked it up. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 10:07:08 PM
Unreal.  Unfucking real.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
LOL, these guys
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Immigration is another issue Romney just fucked up.

More undocumented immigrants have been deported from the US under Obama than Bush!

It's funny how quick Romney is to side with lies than facts, even if they'd help him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 10:07:32 PM
Oh man...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
"ITS NOT AS BIG AS YOURS"

Oh man.   :lol

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:07:41 PM
"Bububub your pension invested in Chinese companies and the Caymans too!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
What the fuck was that?  How did he segue into that? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 10:09:00 PM
I can't believe this shit is going on...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
How did he segue into that? 

Not well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
Uh oh.....time to formally throw Hillary under the bus :)

"That damn b*tch dun goofed!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:10:27 PM
I'm glad he specified that it was Benghazi, Libya, otherwise we might have thought he was talking about another Benghazi.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:10:27 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
How did he segue into that? 

Not well.
I mean what was the impetus?  I stepped out of the room and that shit happened.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:13:21 PM
Good grief, Romney is bombing this question so badly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:05:44 PM
The main policy that infringe on American liberties is NDAA.

Despite bringing up spying in his Bush rebuttal, the democrats haven't even tried to get rid of the Patriot Act and under Obama's administration, more citizens have been spied on that Bush's.  (http://news.yahoo.com/u-government-accused-spying-citizens-intercepting-trillions-emails-015047339.html)

That was an easy one for Romney. And he fucked it up. :lol

As far as I can tell, the main controversy about the NDAA is indefinite detention, not about surveillance measures.

As for your link, I'm not sure how someone who left the NSA in 2001 would be in a position to know that domestic surveillance has increased under Obama.  His claims seem to be asserted, not proven.

And of course, your final line is :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2012, 10:14:02 PM
from twitter:

Aziz Ansari ‏@azizansari
"This is a question for both candidates. Do you fucks wit sriracha?" #BetterTownHallQuestions
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
Oooh, Romney dropped the "apology tour" line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Immigration is another issue Romney just fucked up.

More undocumented immigrants have been deported from the US under Obama than Bush!

It's funny how quick Romney is to side with lies than facts, even if they'd help him.

You're a dumbass.  If he attacks Obama from the left on immigration, it would make his base freak the hell out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
Obama killing it over here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:15:42 PM
Obama goin ham
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2012, 10:15:47 PM
OOOOOOOOH SLAP

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 10:15:51 PM
NOT WHAT WE DO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:16:11 PM
Geeeeeeeeeeez :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 16, 2012, 10:16:27 PM
ALLEY-OOP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 16, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
LOLOLOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
"Say that a little louder, Candy!"  :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 10:16:49 PM
Campaign over.  Campaign over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2012, 10:17:15 PM
Candy kneeled behind Romney and Obama pushed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:17:23 PM
I wish Obama could just say "Hey, in 2001 George Bush let terrorists kill 3000 people in New York Fucking City and he got reelected, so cram Benghazi in your gob hole."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:17:41 PM
Dagger straight through the heart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
I'm not watching, what zinger did I miss?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
I'm not watching, what zinger did I miss?

The moderator called out Romney lying and Obama urged her to speak louder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:20:31 PM
edit: nm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
I'm not watching, what zinger did I miss?

Romney suggested that Obama said something different than what he said tonight, Obama responded, "Get the transcript." Candy Crowley (the moderator) corrected Romney, then Obama shouted out, "Say it a little louder, Candy" The crowd then erupted in laughter, and Romney was at a loss for words.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:21:01 PM
Obama is pro-thought crime prosecution!  :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:21:48 PM
Did Romney just say that the government should urge people to get married before they have kids? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
Immigration is another issue Romney just fucked up.

More undocumented immigrants have been deported from the US under Obama than Bush!

It's funny how quick Romney is to side with lies than facts, even if they'd help him.

You're a dumbass.  If he attacks Obama from the left on immigration, it would make his base freak the hell out.

Romney has shown that he doesn't care what his stance on issues are so long as he slights Obama, though. It'd be consistent for Romney to employ this tactic, as dumb as it'd be. I bet his base would be with him all the way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Yep, nobody cares about Fast and Furious anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Yep, nobody cares about Fast and Furious anymore.
I liked the last movie :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 10:24:06 PM
The moderator caught Romney in a lie, the only correction she's made the entire debate.  Obama had already showed huge dominance with regards to what they were talking about.  It was the perfect closer.  The entire exchange made Romney look terribly out of his league.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:23:58 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:22:33 PM
Yep, nobody cares about Fast and Furious anymore.
I liked the last movie :maf

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
Candy is going to get slammed by Fox News.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
Quote from: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
Candy is going to get slammed by Fox News.

I'd be disappointed if they didn't!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:26:46 PM
CNN undecided voters HATE it when the candidates don't listen to the moderator
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:27:41 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:26:46 PM
CNN undecided voters HATE it when the candidates don't listen to the moderator

Yeah, those two guys get really mad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2012, 10:29:14 PM
:lol he's going to make China play by "the rules".  Good luck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
God....

The corporate tax rate is not too high.  :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 16, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
aw shit did he mention "looking at" reinstating the assault weapons ban? i know what my next check is going to!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
this right hurr http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-AMD.aspx
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2012, 10:32:21 PM
I've basically checked out since the Benghazi exchange.  I need a cigarette.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:34:02 PM
Romney: "China can suck my dick!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
How dumb do you think gun company executives think people like Drew are?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Real dumb
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:35:07 PM
:megaeyeroll @ this last question
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
How is that a difficult question? smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
Hear that? We're all children of Mormon Jesus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
Undecided voter: "Gentlemen, please take this time to let me know why I shouldn't vote for you"

That's how I took it, lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
As a Canadian, I find American politicians name dropping God so strange.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on October 16, 2012, 10:37:39 PM
Is Obama going to say he was born in America?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 16, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:34:34 PM
How dumb do you think gun company executives think people like Drew are?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Real dumb
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it's about avoiding price hikes, not hysterical reactionary consumerism, you assuming ass mo fuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
It's no knockout blow, but this was a damn fine performance by Obama.  Well done, sir.  :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 10:38:41 PM
Ooo. 47% jab right into Mittens.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:39:13 PM
I find it strange that the CNN undeciders aren't particularly in love with Obama attacking Romney on the 47% comment. They don't HATE it, but the ticker noticeably went down when he brought it up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2012, 10:39:25 PM
"A lot of people think I'm a Kenyan Muslim, but they also think Kenya is a Muslim country"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 16, 2012, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 16, 2012, 10:36:34 PM
As a Canadian, I find American politicians name dropping God so strange.

as an American I find politicians name dropping God strange
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:39:47 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:38:17 PM
It's no knockout blow, but this was a damn fine performance by Obama.  Well done, sir.  :american

Romney's still standing, but he got beat to Hell on several of those questions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:40:53 PM
Obama: "People mistakenly believe that I hate Mitt Romney. I don't hate him, I just think that he's a terrible candidate who hates the middle class and wants poor people to die."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 10:41:25 PM
I think it is obvious Obama won.  We'll see how things play out.

Quote from: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:39:13 PM
I find it strange that the CNN undeciders aren't particularly in love with Obama attacking Romney on the 47% comment. They don't HATE it, but the ticker noticeably went down when he brought it up

Negative comments generally tracked low, interrupting the moderator went really low, and positive comments tracked high.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
Obama would be up by ten if this was the first of the three debates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:43:25 PM
Obama SLAYED Romney this time. I think the polls are going to reflect this heavily.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
The moderators for the past two debates have been fantastic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
The moderators for the past two debates have been fantastic.

Candy Crowley did her best, but the candidates (and much more so Romney) still pushed her around a bit.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:47:13 PM
By the middle of the debate, it was clear Romney was not on the same level as Obama and not fit to lead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:47:17 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
The moderators for the past two debates have been fantastic.

This. With each debate, the moderators get better and better.

Next up: Nancy Grace :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:47:58 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:45:29 PM
The moderators for the past two debates have been fantastic.

Candy Crowley did her best, but the candidates (and much more so Romney) still pushed her around a bit.

Well, I'm mostly comparing them to Lehrer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:47:13 PM
By the middle of the debate, it was clear Romney was on the same level as Obama and not fit to lead.

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:48:53 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 16, 2012, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 10:47:13 PM
By the middle of the debate, it was clear Romney was on the same level as Obama and not fit to lead.

 ::)

It was a typo. If you read "not fit to lead" you should have been able to fill in the blanks, bucko.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
This guy on CNN is saying that women will be turned off to Obama because he looked and sounded "angry". :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 16, 2012, 10:50:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rydUk0YjIeI

b...but Obama is cheating!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 10:51:35 PM
This is worse than when Himu started watching MLS and all of a sudden became John Motson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 16, 2012, 10:52:15 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
This guy on CNN is saying that women will be turned off to Obama because he looked and sounded "angry". :lol
Women are delicate flowers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:50:31 PM
This guy on CNN is saying that women will be turned off to Obama because he looked and sounded "angry". :lol

No way. The only thing Obama DIDN'T do on that talking point was use some ol' fashioned rhetoric and call Romney position for what it truly is: a war on women. Any woman with sense should see this. The part where Romney said,"IF women are in the workplace"...:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 10:53:24 PM
Quote from: fryinghigh on October 16, 2012, 10:50:32 PM
b...but Obama is cheating!

He's gonna make Obama play by the rules, and he's going to declare him to be a debate fixer and that will give him the authority to go "neener neener" at him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
CNN is desperately trying to present this as a draw, giving both guys overwhelming praise and overwhelming criticism. But they're really reaching whenever they try to present Obama in a negative light.

I think it benefits CNN to give Romney the edge (like for the first debate) because it's a more interesting narrative.

"Romney winning? OH SHIT! EVERYONE PANIC!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
Even Andrew Sullivan has come down from his ledge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 10:55:14 PM
What is MSNBC saying?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 10:54:25 PM
I think it benefits CNN to give Romney the edge (like for the first debate) because it's a more interesting narrative.

They also gotta make sure they keep getting them GOP advertising dollars.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 16, 2012, 10:59:01 PM
"Please proceed, governor"

Shiiiit!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 10:59:36 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/16/green-party-presidential-vice-presidential-candidates-arrested-at-second-debate/

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 11:01:03 PM
Didn't they get arrested a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:01:14 PM
:bow JILL STEIN

Second arrest in what, two months?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
Candy says that she enjoyed it and that she didn't take the interruptions personally.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iFUqseo6UlQKs.gif)

 :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 16, 2012, 11:18:27 PM
Quote from: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 11:15:20 PM
(http://i.minus.com/iFUqseo6UlQKs.gif)

 :teehee

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
anyone notice how romney moved left on women issues during the debate? I mean, considering his past position of course. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 11:24:57 PM
LMAO, anyone watching CNN?

What is this sorcery?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:26:03 PM
lol is cnn using a 3ds or some shit?

Look at how the camera scrolls as it pans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:27:28 PM
mimic, the entire room is fake. he's in a green room.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 11:30:49 PM
"Obama strong, and so is Romney in second debate"

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/16/politics/debate-mainbar/index.html

lolwut

I think CNN is propping Romney up to make it seem like a tighter race so more people are watching.  It's a conspiracy! :hans1

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on October 16, 2012, 11:30:51 PM
Good debate lol. Tried usual watching fox but had to flip it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 11:32:49 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43290814&postcount=4656
:rofl

Well, Obama took Romney to the woodshed tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 11:33:55 PM
46-39 Bams on CNN's poll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 11:34:00 PM
CNN Poll
Obama: 46%
Romney: 39%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:34:48 PM
i have it on c-span and the callers are hilariously offensive.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 11:32:49 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43290814&postcount=4656
:rofl


:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 11:37:47 PM
So if you're not friends with me on Facebook, you missed my picture from dinner with my parents and my wife's parents on Sunday.

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320479_4691855615513_1890516772_n.jpg)

Poor Big Bird.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 11:39:38 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 16, 2012, 11:24:57 PM
LMAO, anyone watching CNN?

What is this sorcery?

I turned it off pretty quickly, what are saying now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43291800&postcount=4842

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:41:13 PM
Some guy on c-span asked they were talking about women issues at the debate because apparently "nobody cares bout that"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2012, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43291800&postcount=4842

 :rofl

 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
CBS

Obama 37
Romney 30
Tie 33
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 16, 2012, 11:43:13 PM
Now now, share with the class.

(http://i.imgur.com/NlpN2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
The sad thing is, if that had been the performance he gave in the first debate, this shit would be over

Barring something weird, it should be over now but Obama bled for a few weeks needlessly.  Harumph.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:44:35 PM
Someone on c-span just said "Obama had a hard time answering questions" :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 16, 2012, 11:44:39 PM
Quote from: Atramental on October 16, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43291800&postcount=4842

 :rofl

perfect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 16, 2012, 11:48:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2012, 11:42:23 PM
CBS

Obama 37
Romney 30
Tie 33

"According to a CBS poll, only 1 in 3 people think Obama won the debate!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 16, 2012, 11:50:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/P7415.jpg)

http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2012, 11:52:12 PM
That Libya moment really is incredible. You can just see this look in Mitt Ronmey's eyes. "I've got him. I've got him stone cold on this." And Obama just sits back and says "Please proceed, Governor." and Romney proceeds to do exactly what Obama wanted him to do: hang himself with his own rope on live TV.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 16, 2012, 11:50:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/P7415.jpg)

http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com/

:rofl

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/google-binders-full-of-women-rising-search-term

I have a feeling that off-the-cuff remark is going to get some play in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2012, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
The sad thing is, if that had been the performance he gave in the first debate, this shit would be over

Barring something weird, it should be over now but Obama bled for a few weeks needlessly.  Harumph.

Well, I think a lot of Dems were getting a bit too giddy during the post-convention phase when everything was coming up Milhouse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 12:06:57 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 17, 2012, 12:01:59 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 16, 2012, 11:44:00 PM
The sad thing is, if that had been the performance he gave in the first debate, this shit would be over

Barring something weird, it should be over now but Obama bled for a few weeks needlessly.  Harumph.

Well, I think a lot of Dems were getting a bit too giddy during the post-convention phase when everything was coming up Milhouse.

I agree with this but I think Romney's 47% comments and the subsequent Gallup polls helped birth this attitude than the DNC. Though of course, the convention contributed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 17, 2012, 12:18:06 AM
for those who may have missed the definitive moment of the debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-sp0b33fbs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:29:31 AM
It blows my mind that Mittens actually bit on that line of attack and thought it was going to be the knock out blow against Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 12:31:24 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 17, 2012, 12:18:06 AM
for those who may have missed the definitive moment of the debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-sp0b33fbs

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7100/50cent2hgifsoupcom.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Good lord, undecided voters are dense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 12:33:24 AM
With a month until election day how can anyone be undecided?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 17, 2012, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 12:32:10 AM
Good lord, undecided voters are dense.

MSNBC right?  I swear to God you would get more thoughtful answers from middle school kids. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 12:35:06 AM
Yep. These people are fucking idiots.

I really want to believe they're just attention whores.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:36:03 AM
I can understand not really knowing much about local or state races up until close to the election, but national races? PRESIDENTIAL races? Good grief, people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/romney-binders-full-of-women_n_1972425.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012
Mitt Romney raised eyebrows during the presidential debate Tuesday night when he claimed that as governor of Massachusetts, he had been so dismayed at the lack of female cabinet candidates that he sent women's groups out to find them.

"I went to a number of women's groups and said, 'Can you help us find folks?' and they brought us whole binders full of women," he said.

In fact, Romney did not direct women's groups to bring him female candidates, Boston Pheonix reporter David Bernstein points out. A non-partisan collaboration of women’s groups called Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP) was responsible for the effort in 2002, when the group's leaders realized that women held only 30 percent of the top appointed positions in the state.

Romney boasted that during his term as governor, Massachusetts had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America. "Now one of the reasons I was able to get so many good women to be part of that team was because of our recruiting effort," he said.

This statement, too, is misleading. While 42 percent of Romney’s appointments during his first 2-1/2 years as governor were women, the number of women in high-level appointed positions actually declined 27.6 percent during his full tenure as governor, according to a 2007 MassGAP study.

Oops!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on October 17, 2012, 12:45:15 AM
holy shit, how is this not an Onion headline

http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/10/15/romney-smokes-obama-pre-debate-coin-tosses

Romney Smokes Obama In Pre-Debate Coin Tosses
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
This just in: Romney eats his pre-debate dinner faster than Obama!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 01:55:33 AM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/644020_10152175138305597_1425834896_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 02:21:31 AM
Quote from: http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2012, 02:48:16 AM
My mom just liked "Binders Full of Women" on FB.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 03:33:56 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/first-question-from-debate-audience-somehow-comes,29947/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2012, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 03:33:56 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/first-question-from-debate-audience-somehow-comes,29947/

I liked this one too:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/debate-cut-short-as-lantern-fire-burns-down-ol-tow,29949/

Quote
“I thank God that no souls perished today in this infernal blaze,” said local pastor Cyrus T. Jebediah, speaking to a coughing Soledad O’Brien as authorities assessed the damage to the building. “Everyone in Hempstead helped quell the flames. The women in their fancy gingham gowns and bonnets, the rowdy Rachom boys—why, even crazy Jasper Pike, his bottle of corn whiskey still in one hand. Made me proud to be a Hempsteadian, I’ll swear to that.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 17, 2012, 09:00:04 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 17, 2012, 08:40:08 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 03:33:56 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/first-question-from-debate-audience-somehow-comes,29947/

I liked this one too:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/debate-cut-short-as-lantern-fire-burns-down-ol-tow,29949/

Quote
“I thank God that no souls perished today in this infernal blaze,” said local pastor Cyrus T. Jebediah, speaking to a coughing Soledad O’Brien as authorities assessed the damage to the building. “Everyone in Hempstead helped quell the flames. The women in their fancy gingham gowns and bonnets, the rowdy Rachom boys—why, even crazy Jasper Pike, his bottle of corn whiskey still in one hand. Made me proud to be a Hempsteadian, I’ll swear to that.”

The best part of that is that Hempstead is the biggest ghetto on the whole island. As in, more dangerous than many parts of the boroughs... I got lost there once and got pulled over in a red zone b/c cops are so not used to seeing white people that they thought I was buying drugs there :P

My next-door neighbor took Soledad O'Brien to the prom :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
My wife's cousin works at Hofstra, I guess she'd been running around like crazy the last month or so helping with coordination of the debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
According to Romney, the recession never happened. How stupid does he think people are?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2012, 12:00:59 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5Y1fyECIAIcNCJ.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:26:26 PM
Perfect. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:36:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_LQ3eHSZ9c
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
I know that "binders full of women" is the quote getting the play, but there were two other real clunkers in that exchange; the first being, "if you're going to have women in the workplace..." like it's some hardship we need to work around, the second being the idea that you need to be flexible with women so they can get home to take care of their kids and cook dinner. (wtf)

The latter misstep in particularly struck me as insanely misogynist.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:50:13 PM
There's also the "we'll get people so anxious to hire that they'll hire women!" as if the only way to get women jobs is by making business owners desperate for workers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 17, 2012, 12:53:26 PM
Yes, all four of those phrases are shit and write their own commercials
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
Later, he seemed to suggest that single moms were the primary source of gun violence in America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
I know that "binders full of women" is the quote getting the play, but there were two other real clunkers in that exchange; the first being, "if you're going to have women in the workplace..." like it's some hardship we need to work around, the second being the idea that you need to be flexible with women so they can get home to take care of their kids and cook dinner. (wtf)

The latter misstep in particularly struck me as insanely misogynist.

Who else is going to take care of them?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:57:43 PM
Yeah, stopping gun violence by preserving marriage was a bit of a social stretch.

And yes, the "once every man in America has a job, they'll have no CHOICE but to hire women!" was a bit condescending - like there's no room for women in the economy until it's boom times again
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 12:57:23 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
I know that "binders full of women" is the quote getting the play, but there were two other real clunkers in that exchange; the first being, "if you're going to have women in the workplace..." like it's some hardship we need to work around, the second being the idea that you need to be flexible with women so they can get home to take care of their kids and cook dinner. (wtf)

The latter misstep in particularly struck me as insanely misogynist.

Who else is going to take care of them?

lesbian mom #2, the stay-at-home one. duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 17, 2012, 12:59:30 PM
http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
Not only was it completely tone deaf and misogynistic, it was also a lie!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
lesbian mom #2, the stay-at-home one. duh

Oh, right right. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't suggesting that -- should my wife inexplicably abandon her duties and start working long hours -- I would actually take on some of these duties.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 01:03:48 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:58:20 PM
lesbian mom #2, the stay-at-home one. duh

Oh, right right. I just wanted to make sure that you weren't suggesting that -- should my wife inexplicably abandon her duties and start working long hours -- I would actually take on some of these duties.

Oh goodness, no! A man leaving work early to take care of his children? What an amusing thought! Haha! I must tell this little joke to Reginald next time I see him down at the country club!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 01:55:17 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
I know that "binders full of women" is the quote getting the play, but there were two other real clunkers in that exchange; the first being, "if you're going to have women in the workplace..." like it's some hardship we need to work around, the second being the idea that you need to be flexible with women so they can get home to take care of their kids and cook dinner. (wtf)

The latter misstep in particularly struck me as insanely misogynist.

What really bothered me was Mitt's assumption that all women have children. Because you know, if you don't have a kid you're a total failure.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
Later, he seemed to suggest that single moms were the primary source of gun violence in America.

That totally killed me. Gun violence is due to a lack of a mother or a father in a kid's life. All you have to do is get married and it all goes away.

There is a cycle of violence that occurs in some families, but to suggest that marriage can solve gun violence completely by itself is absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 02:04:17 PM
Well Obama was raised by a single mother, and he killed Bin Laden and America
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 17, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UrOmhH2PeI

There are probably millions of people doing the same thing on the internet today.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on October 17, 2012, 02:42:05 PM
If I had that body I would walk around shirtless too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 17, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 01:55:17 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 17, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
I know that "binders full of women" is the quote getting the play, but there were two other real clunkers in that exchange; the first being, "if you're going to have women in the workplace..." like it's some hardship we need to work around, the second being the idea that you need to be flexible with women so they can get home to take care of their kids and cook dinner. (wtf)

The latter misstep in particularly struck me as insanely misogynist.

What really bothered me was Mitt's assumption that all women have children. Because you know, if you don't have a kid you're a total failure.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
Later, he seemed to suggest that single moms were the primary source of gun violence in America.

That totally killed me. Gun violence is due to a lack of a mother or a father in a kid's life. All you have to do is get married and it all goes away.

There is a cycle of violence that occurs in some families, but to suggest that marriage can solve gun violence completely by itself is absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah, that whole part with the gun violence and talk about single parents was a real headscratcher... basically shit all over single parents too. These last few debates have really made me come to hate Romney as a person. I mean, Bush was a horrible president and dumb as dogshit but he was at least sincere (Cheney and Rove being the 2 big bastards). But Romney, he's so fake, such a liar, and is an outright asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 17, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UrOmhH2PeI

There are probably millions of people doing the same thing on the internet today.

Average American voters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 03:42:02 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 12:55:20 PM
Later, he seemed to suggest that single moms were the primary source of gun violence in America.

That was by far and away the most  :wtf point in the entire debate. I mean, how the hell do you make that pivot?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 17, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UrOmhH2PeI

There are probably millions of people doing the same thing on the internet today.

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 17, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
OH HAI GUYZ WHAT'S UP

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/president-12-latinos
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 03:50:08 PM
If only Romney had been born a Latino, he'd be leading with them right now!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 03:50:42 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 17, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
OH HAI GUYZ WHAT'S UP

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/president-12-latinos

Call me when Obama's leading in REAL Americans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 17, 2012, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 03:50:08 PM
If only Romney had been born a Latino, he'd be leading with them right now!

DEM BOOBZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVIrNxba0ls
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 03:57:48 PM
Also, one thing I hope doesn't get lost in the shuffle (cause I haven't heard many people talk about it, but thought it was kind of important):

Quote
MS. CROWLEY: Mr. President, let me get — let me get the governor in on this.

And Governor, let’s — before we get into a vast array of who said what — what study says what, if it shouldn’t add up, if somehow when you get in there, there isn’t enough tax revenue coming in, if somehow the numbers don’t add up, would you be willing to look again at a 20 percent —

MR. ROMNEY: Well, of course they add up. I was — I was someone who ran businesses for 25 years and balanced the budget. I ran the Olympics and balanced the budget. I ran the — the state of Massachusetts as a governor, to the extent any governor does, and balanced the budget all four years.

"Of course they add up cause I used federal money to save the Olympics and was mandated by law to balance my state's budget!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 17, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 17, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
OH HAI GUYZ WHAT'S UP

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/president-12-latinos

romney's dumb ass actually said "illegals" last night; cant wait to see his numbers drop from that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 04:12:19 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 17, 2012, 03:52:56 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 03:50:08 PM
If only Romney had been born a Latino, he'd be leading with them right now!

DEM BOOBZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVIrNxba0ls

Still fine

I watched Do The Right Thing again a few weeks ago and oh boy...dat ice cube scene
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=athcyCTnTTs

Guess it was Obama that was the one that got destroyed in that exchange after all. :smug

edit: wtf? Why can't I embed it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 17, 2012, 04:35:10 PM
remove the s after the http and then it should work.

edit: like so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=athcyCTnTTs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 03:50:08 PM
If only Romney had been born a Latino, he'd be leading with them right now!

Romney comparing himself to immigrants cause he was born in Mexico to American parents was pretty damn hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
Crowley specifically said last night that Obama was right that he called it an act of terror, and Romney was right in saying the administration focused on the video for two weeks. I don't see why conservatives are acting like Crowley said Romney was right about everything lol, she didn't say that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 04:54:09 PM
Crowley specifically said last night that Obama was right that he called it an act of terror, and Romney was right in saying the administration focused on the video for two weeks. I don't see why conservatives are acting like Crowley said Romney was right about everything lol, she didn't say that.

Whatever helps them sleep at night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 17, 2012, 04:56:19 PM
this just infuriates me.  obama clearly murders romney last night and yet the narrative the media pushes is "oh, yeah, tie."

romney murders obama a week or so ago?  "OBAMA HAS LOST THE ELECTION WITH ONE DEBATE"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 05:02:35 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 17, 2012, 04:56:19 PM
this just infuriates me.  obama clearly murders romney last night and yet the narrative the media pushes is "oh, yeah, tie."

romney murders obama a week or so ago?  "OBAMA HAS LOST THE ELECTION WITH ONE DEBATE"

It is pretty bad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 17, 2012, 04:56:19 PM
this just infuriates me.  obama clearly murders romney last night and yet the narrative the media pushes is "oh, yeah, tie."

romney murders obama a week or so ago?  "OBAMA HAS LOST THE ELECTION WITH ONE DEBATE"

Because ratings.

A Obama shoe-in election doesn't attract viewers. Gotta make it close and exciting, even if it fucks over the country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2012, 05:12:14 PM
Well, a lot of it has to do with the neutral media taking cues from the partisans.

On most issues, if the two sides disagree then the mainstream news outlets will try to play it down the middle ("Republicans and Democrats disagree on which candidate did better"), because they don't want to be seen as taking sides, especially on anything that's even a bit subjective.

But after the first debate both sides were saying that Romney killed Obama.  It wasn't just the conservatives, but the freaked-out liberals.  This time Romney didn't do so well but his supporters are still acting like he kicked ass.  So the default position for the news folks is to say reactions are mixed, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Republicans never admit defeat, though. Even if Obama wins the popular vote 90-10 they'd still claim they didn't lose.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 05:16:40 PM
Why are we not talking about the recent anti-affirmative action stint?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 05:19:01 PM
I'd support ending affirmative action based on ethnicity; it's discrimination for people who happen to be the wrong color (mainly Asians).

I support affirmative action based on income. There are plenty of white kids in broken down towns who deserve just as much of a chance as a black or Hispanic kid in Compton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 17, 2012, 05:21:21 PM
except that we still know that overwhelmingly you're gonna be fucked in a selection process if you're not white, so why get rid of something that works to fix this?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 05:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Republicans never admit defeat, though. Even if Obama wins the popular vote 90-10 they'd still claim they didn't lose.

They'd claim that they weren't Conservative enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 05:21:37 PM
I agree aa should be updated via income. But getting rid of it period is just bollocks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 05:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Republicans never admit defeat, though. Even if Obama wins the popular vote 90-10 they'd still claim they didn't lose.

They'd claim that they weren't Conservative enough.

Yep! I've actually heard that from my conservative friends in the past. Especially about Bush not being "a true conservative."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 05:23:51 PM
Colbert had a perfect take on the recent anti-AA crap last night.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/420234/october-16-2012/affirmative-action-supreme-court-case?xrs=share_copy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
A "true conservative" might as well be a unicorn, considering the near-mythical status it's achieved.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
A "true conservative" might as well be a unicorn, considering the near-mythical status it's achieved.

Well, there was this guy:

(http://americandigest.org/ronald_reagan_riding_a_velociraptor_by_sharpwriter-d55rsh7.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 05:29:00 PM
Like I said, near-mythical status.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 05:59:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 05:27:03 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
A "true conservative" might as well be a unicorn, considering the near-mythical status it's achieved.

Well, there was this guy:

(http://americandigest.org/ronald_reagan_riding_a_velociraptor_by_sharpwriter-d55rsh7.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 17, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjCyVfBiwpE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 17, 2012, 06:37:42 PM
holy fuck

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/17/green-party-candidate-police-handcuffed-me-to-a-chair-for-eight-hours/

Quote
Stein also said she and Honkala were not released until about 30 minutes after the Obama-Romney debate, when they were told “their car” was waiting for them.

“It was actually a Secret Service car, apparently, that was waiting for us,” Stein said. “We were not allowed to make a phone call, there was no phone that was working. We didn’t have ours — we had given our phones to our assistants — so it was quite a bit of work to be able to borrow a phone from someone in a gas station.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 07:22:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvXtcJJdimA

c'mon Obama, respond with a Barkley ad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2012, 07:59:12 PM
I like this write-up of the debate:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/10/16/mitt-romney-brought-every-mitt-romney-he-could-to-the-debate-tonight-and-president-obama-destroyed-them-all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 17, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/6gO8V.jpg)

Such an awesome president.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 05:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Republicans never admit defeat, though. Even if Obama wins the popular vote 90-10 they'd still claim they didn't lose.

They'd claim that they weren't Conservative enough.

Yep! I've actually heard that from my conservative friends in the past. Especially about Bush not being "a true conservative."

There's always been this weird contradiction with Republicans where they use the above excuse as to why they lost, but yet most of them all realize, it's also the reason why they HAD to go with Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
(http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u484/WFBMM/queenann_zpsdf9926f4.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 08:29:22 PM
"Honey, why did you let The Help walk all over you?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 08:32:24 PM
My same friends also claim to not be Republican, but a conservative.

And then vote straight Republican ticket.

I might be a crazy liberal Democrat, but I've voted for Republicans before and will again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 17, 2012, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 17, 2012, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on October 17, 2012, 05:21:28 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 17, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Republicans never admit defeat, though. Even if Obama wins the popular vote 90-10 they'd still claim they didn't lose.

They'd claim that they weren't Conservative enough.

Yep! I've actually heard that from my conservative friends in the past. Especially about Bush not being "a true conservative."

There's always been this weird contradiction with Republicans where they use the above excuse as to why they lost, but yet most of them all realize, it's also the reason why they HAD to go with Romney.

Conservatism can never fail, but YOU can fail Conservatism!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 08:58:19 PM
I voted for Rick Snyder.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
and might again :shh
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 17, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 05:19:01 PM
I'd support ending affirmative action based on ethnicity; it's discrimination for people who happen to be the wrong color (mainly Asians).

I support affirmative action based on income. There are plenty of white kids in broken down towns who deserve just as much of a chance as a black or Hispanic kid in Compton.

Totally with you on that, PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 09:17:47 PM
Quote
"Well, you want to jump out of your seat and rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him."

-- Tagg Romney, in an interview on WPTF-AM, when asked how it felt to hear President Obama call his father a liar during last night's debate.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/17/extra_bonus_quote_of_the_day.html
:rofl

(http://tinyurl.com/bv88l7v)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2012, 09:22:12 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2012, 09:17:47 PM
Quote
"Well, you want to jump out of your seat and rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him."

-- Tagg Romney, in an interview on WPTF-AM, when asked how it felt to hear President Obama call his father a liar during last night's debate.
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/17/extra_bonus_quote_of_the_day.html
:rofl

(http://tinyurl.com/bv88l7v)

Haha, in the comments section on that:

http://buzzfeed.tumblr.com/post/33751329834/josh-romney-in-the-audience-of-tonights-debate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bBKwU.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
That's actually Josh, not Tagg, but I don't let my posting be dictated by fact-checkers.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 18, 2012, 12:59:28 AM
American psycho 3
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2012, 09:39:57 AM
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/18/3520544/newsweek-all-digital-publication


Newsweek going digital only. Ends 80 year print run.


Can't say that I am too surprised. It's always been the dirty, poorer cousin of Time. I will miss their cover picture trolling though. I guess you can still do that in the digital age.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 18, 2012, 12:08:33 PM
What will they have in the waiting room of dentist offices now?  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 18, 2012, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 18, 2012, 12:08:33 PM
What will they have in the waiting room of dentist offices now?  :'(

Tablets with a security device so you can't steal them. When brick & mortar electronics stores finally fall, people will have to go to the dentist every time they want to try out a new tablet.

Who knows, maybe the dentists will even start selling tablets?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 18, 2012, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on October 18, 2012, 01:25:58 PM
Quote from: Yeti on October 18, 2012, 12:08:33 PM
What will they have in the waiting room of dentist offices now?  :'(

Tablets with a security device so you can't steal them. When brick & mortar electronics stores finally fall, people will have to go to the dentist every time they want to try out a new tablet.

Who knows, maybe the dentists will even start selling tablets?

You expect them to have the latest tablets when they don't even keep magazines current?  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Pretty sure we're fucked

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gallup-romney-opens-up-7-point-lead?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2012, 02:27:16 PM
Just imagine, when Gallup does the next one and it comes back to the mean, we can craft this illusionary narrative that 'random event X' caused it to occur.

There is campaign reporting in a nutshell.

 

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 18, 2012, 02:47:54 PM
(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20121018.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2012, 02:53:12 PM
haha that's great. You can pretty much do the same cartoon with stock market reporting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2012, 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 18, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Pretty sure we're fucked

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gallup-romney-opens-up-7-point-lead?ref=fpb

I wouldn't be too concerned. The Gallup poll is broken down into four regions of the country, and Obama is leading in three (east, west, midwest). The problem is that Romney is up 20 points in the south; he's running up the score in an area he's going to win no matter what.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17/1145957/-About-that-Gallup-poll
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 18, 2012, 03:21:25 PM
every other tracker that came out today came out around Obama +1 to Romney +1. 

This has been a particularly strange election in terms of the national polling failing to reflect the state-by-state stuff.  To manage my own sanity, I've stuck to state polling.  It reflects what was predicted at the very start of the election season; a tight race with an advantage to Obama. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 18, 2012, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bBKwU.jpg)

holy shit, someone pre-empted his reservations at dorsia
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 18, 2012, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 18, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Pretty sure we're fucked

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gallup-romney-opens-up-7-point-lead?ref=fpb

Obama went up 1 in LVs despite gaining in RVs and approval. THeir LV screen is fucked and is out of sync with every other polling firm.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2012, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 18, 2012, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 18, 2012, 02:23:45 PM
Pretty sure we're fucked

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gallup-romney-opens-up-7-point-lead?ref=fpb

Obama went up 1 in LVs despite gaining in RVs and approval. THeir LV screen is fucked and is out of sync with every other polling firm.

Did he gain any additional HP or MP?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 18, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bBKwU.jpg)

He has my vote in 2024

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 18, 2012, 05:06:05 PM
He looks strangely homosexual in a "Angels in America" way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/igqsn.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 18, 2012, 05:26:19 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2012, 09:24:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bBKwU.jpg)

If you find me raped and chopped up, it was Josh Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 18, 2012, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 18, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/igqsn.gif)
Holy Fuck.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2012, 05:49:42 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 18, 2012, 05:15:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/igqsn.gif)

I was pretty shocked when this happened right in the middle of the debate, but then the conservative MSM acts like it never happened. I blame Fox News.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2012, 06:05:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb4UHFlzvpo

A few things are off on it, but overall :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 18, 2012, 08:08:22 PM
Was that the ghost of Steve Jobs who deflected that attack barrage on Romney? :rofl He was going full on DBZ in there!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2012, 11:44:34 PM
Is this normal? This was my mailbox today:


(http://i.minus.com/jzObzyhLeOVNO_e.jpg)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2012, 11:46:18 PM
Ohio? You live in a swing state, so probably.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2012, 11:59:45 PM
No monthly issue of Watchtower? Boo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 19, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
Obama just ticked up to 70% on Silvers blog.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2012, 12:20:39 AM
Jesus Christ, can you imagine what will happen if Obama wins the EC but loses the popular vote?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 19, 2012, 12:26:56 AM
The best of American conservatives would smugly make the point that conservatives, unlike hypocritical liberals, respect the rules of a game--they will then proceed to complain for four years. 

The rest the American rightwing would declare jihad or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2012, 12:38:09 AM
I predict a piece by David Brooks where he says that while there is nothing morally or legally wrong with this outcome, the split shows a public mandate for restraint and moderation, and that Obama can salvage his legacy by eschewing the partisan politics that characterized by the campaign and embracing his Burkean instincts, acknowledging the renewed sense of responsibility emerging from the Great Recession, and work to restore social trust rather than focusing myopically on economic issues.

Shit, now I'm pissed off at Brooks for this hypothetical column.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2012, 01:16:52 AM
Very strong polling day for Obama, and more proof that early voting should seal the deal in Iowa. Romney's entire goal has to be finding a path of victory without Ohio, given the polling there; that path doesn't exist without Iowa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2012, 01:29:18 AM
Sorry, I will be occupying the same ledge as Andrew Sullivan until more polling numbers improve

Where do you guys go for your polling fix?  TPM has started to suck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2012, 01:39:12 AM
PoliGAF  posts all of them, and of course twitter. Plus DailyKos does a run down of each day's polls. For instance here's October 18

Quote
NATIONAL (Gallup Tracking): Romney 52, Obama 45 (LV); Romney 48, Obama 47 (RV)

NATIONAL (IBD/TIPP Tracking): Obama 46, Romney 46

NATIONAL (Ipsos/Reuters Tracking): Obama 47, Romney 44 (LV); Obama 47, Romney 39 (RV)

NATIONAL (PPP Tracking): Obama 48, Romney 48

NATIONAL (Rasmussen Tracking): Romney 49, Obama 47

COLORADO (PPP): Obama 50, Romney 47

CONNECTICUT (PPP for League of Conservation Voters): Obama 53, Romney 44

CONNECTICUT (Univ. of Connecticut): Obama 51, Romney 37

IOWA (NBC News/Marist): Obama 51, Romney 43 (LV); Obama 50, Romney 43 (RV)

MICHIGAN (Denno Research): Obama 44, Romney 41

MICHIGAN (EPIC-MRA): Obama 52, Romney 46

MINNESOTA (SurveyUSA): Obama 50, Romney 40

NORTH CAROLINA (Rasmussen): Romney 52, Obama 46

OHIO (Rasmussen): Obama 49, Romney 48

PENNSYLVANIA (Susquehanna Research for the PA Republican Party): Romney 49, Obama 45

VIRGINIA (PPP for the League of Conservation Voters): Obama 49, Romney 48

WASHINGTON (Univ. of Washington): Obama 52, Romney 41

WISCONSIN (NBC News/Marist): Obama 51, Romney 45 (LV); Obama 50, Romney 44 (RV)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/18/1146287/-Daily-Kos-Elections-Polling-Wrap-The-waiting-game-begins-as-Democrats-hope-for-post-debate-mojo

Very good shit; the PA poll looks like an outlier
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2012, 01:57:35 AM
Yeah, that PA is almost certainly an outlier, esp considering who conducted it.  :P

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2012, 05:34:36 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 19, 2012, 01:29:18 AM
Sorry, I will be occupying the same ledge as Andrew Sullivan until more polling numbers improve

Where do you guys go for your polling fix?  TPM has started to suck


Political wire is good also.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on October 19, 2012, 07:50:10 AM
christ this country is hopeless, the only thing you can do now is know you're not going to get who you want and prepare for the eventual fallout
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2012, 08:55:33 AM
Quote from: Trurl on October 19, 2012, 12:26:56 AM
The best of American conservatives would smugly make the point that conservatives, unlike hypocritical liberals, respect the rules of a game
:rofl
Ask Ron Paul about the respect he got from the rules.

Quote from: drew on October 19, 2012, 07:50:10 AM
christ this country is hopeless, the only thing you can do now is know you're not going to get who you want and prepare for the eventual fallout

lulz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2012, 09:28:47 AM
Not gonna lie, this gave me a boner for Obama winning:

Quote from: http://nymag.com/news/politics/elections-2012/obama-romney-economic-plans-2012-10/
On January 1, 2013, we will all awake to a different, substantially more liberal country. The Bush tax cuts will have disappeared, restoring Clinton-era tax rates and flooding government coffers with revenue to fund its current operations for years to come. The military will be facing dire budget cuts that shake the military-industrial complex to its core.

....All this can come to pass because, while Obama has spent the last two years surrendering short-term policy concessions, he has been quietly hoarding a fortune in the equivalent of a political trust fund that comes due on the first of the year. At that point, he will reside in a political world he finds at most mildly uncomfortable and the Republicans consider a hellish dystopia. Then he’ll be ready to make a deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Spurgeon on October 19, 2012, 10:25:03 AM
How soon until the Romney campaign rallies start getting really nasty? McCain eventually called out someone for being a knob, but I don't see Mitt doing the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2012, 10:30:38 AM
That article was pretty good, but that blurb you reposted is fantasy.

I don't think anyone has the balls to let the Bush Tax Cuts rescind. At best (and highly unlikely), we will get some kind of 'taper-off' deal that slowly re-introduces them to most of the tax brackets over the next few years.

Cutting military spending in a downed economy seems unlikely also. Dollars are still jobs and many of those jobs in the most rural, poorest parts of this country. At best you will just see a re-allocation of existing spending (kind of like what he did with NASA).

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2012, 10:32:46 AM
Quote from: Green Man on October 19, 2012, 09:32:57 AM
Couldn't Mitt stop that when he becomes president?

Inauguration isn't until Jan 20th.  So no.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 19, 2012, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: Spurgeon on October 19, 2012, 10:25:03 AM
How soon until the Romney campaign rallies start getting really nasty? McCain eventually called out someone for being a knob, but I don't see Mitt doing the same.

Overall I would say this election has season has been more polite then 2008, mostly because all the dog whistley nonsense has already proven ineffective.  If you want a decent stream of OBONGO IS MUZLIN COMMIE HOMOFASCIST then head on over to freerepublic.com for some good times.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: Spurgeon on October 19, 2012, 10:25:03 AM
How soon until the Romney campaign rallies start getting really nasty? McCain eventually called out someone for being a knob, but I don't see Mitt doing the same.

I doubt Mitt would want to embarass his own son like that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 19, 2012, 11:05:23 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 19, 2012, 10:51:45 AM
Quote from: Spurgeon on October 19, 2012, 10:25:03 AM
How soon until the Romney campaign rallies start getting really nasty? McCain eventually called out someone for being a knob, but I don't see Mitt doing the same.

I doubt Mitt would want to embarass his own son like that

ZING!

I'm NOT saying Tagg Romney is racist, but I AM saying that if Obama had a son who wanted to "take a swing at" Mitt Romney, the story would be 100-point above-the-fold Drudge-a-geddon, followed by Fox News and mainstream media handwringing, not completely buried for the wonkiest of political wonks only.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 19, 2012, 11:08:43 AM
Romney's kids creep me out. Except that one daughter. She looks like the family outcast and I like outcasts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2012, 12:52:22 PM
I don't think Obama would let all the military cuts go through, but I do believe he'll let the Bus tax cuts expire. That would give him a lot of revenue to play around with by offering a deal to republicans. Perhaps a new tax cut for $300k and below.

Obviously he could come to some grand bargain in December instead, but IMO it makes more sense to wait until you have maximum leverage on January 1st
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
Having the Bush tax cuts expire would be huge.  I have a chub just thinking about it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on October 19, 2012, 02:41:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BBEXB1Wf9c
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 19, 2012, 03:35:12 PM
That was awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 19, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 19, 2012, 01:29:18 AM
Sorry, I will be occupying the same ledge as Andrew Sullivan until more polling numbers improve

Where do you guys go for your polling fix?  TPM has started to suck

I just go to Silver's NYT blog, glance at the big blue change of winning percentage in the right column of the screen and go on with my day. The only thing that'd be better is if I could pin a tile for it to my start screen in Windows, maybe I'll try making an app.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2012, 11:57:25 PM
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NEW YORK, N.Y. - The conservative scholar behind a high-grossing film that condemns President Barack Obama has resigned as head of an evangelical college.

The King's College in New York announced Dinesh D'Souza's resignation Thursday. Its board had been meeting about the school president and his relationship with a woman who is not his wife.

The evangelical magazine WORLD reported that the long-married D'Souza was also engaged to the woman. WORLD reported that he brought the woman to a Christian values event last month and introduced her as his fiancee. D'Souza filed for divorce in California a few days after the conference.

D'Souza has denied any wrongdoing. He said he and his wife separated two years ago. He could not be immediately reached for comment Thursday.

D'Souza directed the anti-Obama documentary "2016: Obama's America'.'
http://news.yahoo.com/conservative-obama-filmmaker-resigns-evangelical-college-over-relationship-175207758.html

Bless you with a shorty then we set you up
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2012, 01:59:41 AM
dude was a fucking CUNTFUCK on real time the other day, and that's coming from someone who doesn't really like bill maher, like at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 04:30:52 AM
Charlie Cook says this is what the campaigns are seeing in the swing states. Numbers worse for Obama are from the Romney internals, and numbers worse for Romney are from the Obama internals

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NC: Romney +1 to 2

FL: Obama +1 to Romney +2

VA: Even to Romney +2

CO: Obama 1 to 5

IA: Romney +1 to Obama +7

NH: Obama +2 to 5

NV: Obama +3 to 7

WI: Obama +3 to 7

OH: Obama +4 to 7

MI: Obama +7 to 8

PA: Obama +7 to 9

Romney's camp currently projects an Obama victory
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 20, 2012, 07:07:24 AM
Can I get a link to that PD?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 20, 2012, 07:55:04 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on October 19, 2012, 08:26:51 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 19, 2012, 01:29:18 AM
Sorry, I will be occupying the same ledge as Andrew Sullivan until more polling numbers improve

Where do you guys go for your polling fix?  TPM has started to suck

I just go to Silver's NYT blog, glance at the big blue change of winning percentage in the right column of the screen and go on with my day. The only thing that'd be better is if I could pin a tile for it to my start screen in Windows, maybe I'll try making an app.

Yep, I only go to this site, much like I did in 2008.  Since it is the last month of the election, I'm pretty much tuning everything out except that site.  His site seems very honest and that is all I want: the numbers, sans spin and bullshit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 20, 2012, 07:07:24 AM
Can I get a link to that PD?

http://cookpolitical.com/story/4849

The chart is near bottom
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2012, 04:47:09 PM
diablos is quite possibly the worst poster on gaf's community section
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 20, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
How about you shut the fuck about gaf in this thread, you bitch?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2012, 05:00:07 PM
ok  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 20, 2012, 05:16:51 PM
binded
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 05:37:18 PM
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WASHINGTON — The United States and Iran have agreed for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?_r=3&hp&

surprise!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2012, 05:47:20 PM
Republicans are going to scream appeasement just because we showed up to the table, but this is a good thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 05:37:18 PM
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WASHINGTON — The United States and Iran have agreed for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?_r=3&hp&

surprise!

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2012, 06:58:16 PM
Obama's apology tour continues. How low will bow to the Ayatollah? Watch Fox News to find out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 20, 2012, 07:15:39 PM
Talking? Sounds like appeasement to me. Romney'll let his nukes do the talking.

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While I find Bibi's interference in our political process disgusting, I'm totally okay with the ayatollahs being in the tank for Obama. :shh I mean, if I were Iran, I would be SCARED SHITLESS by the possibility of a Romney presidency. :o
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Also, the timing on this - right before Monday's foreign policy debate - could not be better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 07:24:11 PM
Can't wait for Romney's response. I'm not sure he'd agree to negotiations. Obviously Iran has gotten our hopes up before so I won't hold my breath here...but it's worth noting that these sanctions have crippled their economy. They just might have reached the breaking point
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/10/more_problems_for_romney.php?ref=fpblg
“Talking points” prepared by the CIA on Sept. 15, the same day that Rice taped three television appearances, support her description of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate as a reaction to Arab anger about an anti-Muslim video prepared in the United States. According to the CIA account, “The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.”

"bububub cover-up!! Benghazi-gate!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2012, 07:29:07 PM
Iran/US relations are probably the issue I've followed most closely, and I am completely psyched about the possibility of Khamenei being willing to strike a deal, forget what it means for the election.  It's not the threat of imminent war so much as the odds of war approaching one the longer the situation between the two countries festers.  De-escalation would be so nice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 07:33:10 PM
The administration is trying to walk back the reports of it being one-on-one, but clearly something is happening after the election.

This plus the CIA report on Libya should make Monday's debate interesting to say the least
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Imma gonna rant here, so get your tl;dr gifs ready.

This whole faux-outrage over the Benghazi attack perfectly encapsulates why I gave up on the Republican party. After 9/11, it would have been easy for Democrats to jump atop the rubble and condemn Bush for allowing such a terrible attack on American. For not knowing that something this big was coming, for not putting more effort on fighting terrorism in his first 9 months, for not doing MORE. But they didn't. In part, obviously, because they didn't feel like committing political suicide, but also because I think they respected the President's right to respond to this crisis, with both words and actions. They let the President be the President.

Fast-forward to 2012 and you have the Republican candidate for President harping on the current president in the zero hour. It's been followed up by a conga line of outrage and consternation that Obama didn't use the right verbiage or that maybe he actually sympathizes with the killers and doesn't want this latest incident to turn the public eye on the campaign to slaughter Americans abroad [no one's said this, of course, but does anyone doubt the implication is there?]. Fox News and Tea Party doesn't respect the President and they don't respect his right as the duly-elected leader of this nation of respond to incidents like this. That's hardly anything new, as this has been their modus operandi for 5 years. They have the nerve, after two years of publicly-declared obstructionism, to pin the problems of the nation, the slow speed of the recovery, on the President and his party, who "just aren't willing to cooperate."

It's not enough to disagree with the President, it's not enough enough to dislike him. They hate him, hate him all the way down to his guts. He's a terrorist-sympathizer, an unworthy foreigner, a disgusting Communist, who doesn't understand what's so great about America and is doing his hardest to push through bills that will tear this country apart for his own amusement. He's not just wrong, he's EVIL. Mitt Romney's first day will included repealing every single piece of major legislation that Obama passed over 4 years in office. They want him gone yesterday, they want every shred of his existence expunged from history as soon as possible. They want everything he did to be either swept away or poisoned. And it makes me sick. I'm tired of hearing this on TV, I'm tired of my family spouting these lines they heard from Rush, Hannity, and whatever blubbering gob of flesh the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch are pushing in their faces and their ears in as many venues as possible every second of every day.

In a better world, responsible mainstream media would point this out for what it is: a barely-concealed propaganda campaign to use whatever line of attack, whatever outright lie or misconception of the truth to undermine the President and make you, too, hate his guts just as much as they do. It's painful to watch this actually WORK, especially when a quick search on Google shreds these lines to bits with ease. But they won't do that, because the popularity and power of Fox News and right-wing media has forced an absurd "fair and balanced" approached to every story. You can't call out lies and hypocrisy from one individual, it's got to be a problem with both sides. Every story has to be couched in illogical mealy-mouthed PR-speak. "Some say this, but other say that." And it makes me sick. I hear it every single day, those little lies that dig under the skin of some members of my family and propagate the hate against the President. It does no good to bring up those easily found facts, because then I just become the Democratic mouth piece who doesn't understand what's wrong with the President and why he ought to go away as quickly as possible. It doesn't work, it never will, and it makes me sick.

I hate the Republican party, the Tea Party, Fox News and right-wing radio for what they've reduced members of my family to. And I won't vote for a Republican in a national election until it finally stops. But it won't stop, and thinking that quietly weathering the 2012 storm, will finally put an end to this madness is foolish. It won't stop, it'll only be that much more shrill the next time. Think 2012 is bad? Just wait until 2014 if the Democrats win in Congress or the Presidency. I want it to go away, I desperately want a return to at least some manner of decorum, at the very least, but I don't really believe it will. So having said that, I'm stocking up on Pepto Bismol, because it looks like I'm going to be feeling sick for quite a while.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 20, 2012, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Imma gonna rant here, so get your tl;dr gifs ready.

This whole faux-outrage over the Benghazi attack perfectly encapsulates why I gave up on the Republican party. After 9/11, it would have been easy for Democrats to jump atop the rubble and condemn Bush for allowing such a terrible attack on American. For not knowing that something this big was coming, for not putting more effort on fighting terrorism in his first 9 months, for not doing MORE. But they didn't. In part, obviously, because they didn't feel like committing political suicide, but also because I think they respected the President's right to respond to this crisis, with both words and actions. They let the President be the President.

Fast-forward to 2012 and you have the Republican candidate for President harping on the current president in the zero hour. It's been followed up by a conga line of outrage and consternation that Obama didn't use the right verbiage or that maybe he actually sympathizes with the killers and doesn't want this latest incident to turn the public eye on the campaign to slaughter Americans abroad [no one's said this, of course, but does anyone doubt the implication is there?]. Fox News and Tea Party doesn't respect the President and they don't respect his right as the duly-elected leader of this nation of respond to incidents like this. That's hardly anything new, as this has been their modus operandi for 5 years. They have the nerve, after two years of publicly-declared obstructionism, to pin the problems of the nation, the slow speed of the recovery, on the President and his party, who "just aren't willing to cooperate."

It's not enough to disagree with the President, it's not enough enough to dislike him. They hate him, hate him all the way down to his guts. He's a terrorist-sympathizer, an unworthy foreigner, a disgusting Communist, who doesn't understand what's so great about America and is doing his hardest to push through bills that will tear this country apart for his own amusement. He's not just wrong, he's EVIL. Mitt Romney's first day will included repealing every single piece of major legislation that Obama passed over 4 years in office. They want him gone yesterday, they want every shred of his existence expunged from history as soon as possible. They want everything he did to be either swept away or poisoned. And it makes me sick. I'm tired of hearing this on TV, I'm tired of my family spouting these lines they heard from Rush, Hannity, and whatever blubbering gob of flesh the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch are pushing in their faces and their ears in as many venues as possible every second of every day.

In a better world, responsible mainstream media would point this out for what it is: a barely-concealed propaganda campaign to use whatever line of attack, whatever outright lie or misconception of the truth to undermine the President and make you, too, hate his guts just as much as they do. It's painful to watch this actually WORK, especially when a quick search on Google shreds these lines to bits with ease. But they won't do that, because the popularity and power of Fox News and right-wing media has forced an absurd "fair and balanced" approached to every story. You can't call out lies and hypocrisy from one individual, it's got to be a problem with both sides. Every story has to be couched in illogical mealy-mouthed PR-speak. "Some say this, but other say that." And it makes me sick. I hear it every single day, those little lies that dig under the skin of some members of my family and propagate the hate against the President. It does no good to bring up those easily found facts, because then I just become the Democratic mouth piece who doesn't understand what's wrong with the President and why he ought to go away as quickly as possible. It doesn't work, it never will, and it makes me sick.

I hate the Republican party, the Tea Party, Fox News and right-wing radio for what they've reduced members of my family to. And I won't vote for a Republican in a national election until it finally stops. But it won't stop, and thinking that quietly weathering the 2012 storm, will finally put an end to this madness is foolish. It won't stop, it'll only be that much more shrill the next time. Think 2012 is bad? Just wait until 2014 if the Democrats win in Congress or the Presidency. I want it to go away, I desperately want a return to at least some manner of decorum, at the very least, but I don't really believe it will. So having said that, I'm stocking up on Pepto Bismol, because it looks like I'm going to be feeling sick for quite a while.

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I never once flirted with being a Republican.  I always ranged somewhere from die hard communism to democratic socialism to just hoping the Democrats show some balls now and then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
tl;dr version: Republicans r dum
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
Imma gonna rant here, so get your tl;dr gifs ready.

This whole faux-outrage over the Benghazi attack perfectly encapsulates why I gave up on the Republican party. After 9/11, it would have been easy for Democrats to jump atop the rubble and condemn Bush for allowing such a terrible attack on American. For not knowing that something this big was coming, for not putting more effort on fighting terrorism in his first 9 months, for not doing MORE. But they didn't. In part, obviously, because they didn't feel like committing political suicide, but also because I think they respected the President's right to respond to this crisis, with both words and actions. They let the President be the President.

Fast-forward to 2012 and you have the Republican candidate for President harping on the current president in the zero hour. It's been followed up by a conga line of outrage and consternation that Obama didn't use the right verbiage or that maybe he actually sympathizes with the killers and doesn't want this latest incident to turn the public eye on the campaign to slaughter Americans abroad [no one's said this, of course, but does anyone doubt the implication is there?]. Fox News and Tea Party doesn't respect the President and they don't respect his right as the duly-elected leader of this nation of respond to incidents like this. That's hardly anything new, as this has been their modus operandi for 5 years. They have the nerve, after two years of publicly-declared obstructionism, to pin the problems of the nation, the slow speed of the recovery, on the President and his party, who "just aren't willing to cooperate."

It's not enough to disagree with the President, it's not enough enough to dislike him. They hate him, hate him all the way down to his guts. He's a terrorist-sympathizer, an unworthy foreigner, a disgusting Communist, who doesn't understand what's so great about America and is doing his hardest to push through bills that will tear this country apart for his own amusement. He's not just wrong, he's EVIL. Mitt Romney's first day will included repealing every single piece of major legislation that Obama passed over 4 years in office. They want him gone yesterday, they want every shred of his existence expunged from history as soon as possible. They want everything he did to be either swept away or poisoned. And it makes me sick. I'm tired of hearing this on TV, I'm tired of my family spouting these lines they heard from Rush, Hannity, and whatever blubbering gob of flesh the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch are pushing in their faces and their ears in as many venues as possible every second of every day.

In a better world, responsible mainstream media would point this out for what it is: a barely-concealed propaganda campaign to use whatever line of attack, whatever outright lie or misconception of the truth to undermine the President and make you, too, hate his guts just as much as they do. It's painful to watch this actually WORK, especially when a quick search on Google shreds these lines to bits with ease. But they won't do that, because the popularity and power of Fox News and right-wing media has forced an absurd "fair and balanced" approached to every story. You can't call out lies and hypocrisy from one individual, it's got to be a problem with both sides. Every story has to be couched in illogical mealy-mouthed PR-speak. "Some say this, but other say that." And it makes me sick. I hear it every single day, those little lies that dig under the skin of some members of my family and propagate the hate against the President. It does no good to bring up those easily found facts, because then I just become the Democratic mouth piece who doesn't understand what's wrong with the President and why he ought to go away as quickly as possible. It doesn't work, it never will, and it makes me sick.

I hate the Republican party, the Tea Party, Fox News and right-wing radio for what they've reduced members of my family to. And I won't vote for a Republican in a national election until it finally stops. But it won't stop, and thinking that quietly weathering the 2012 storm, will finally put an end to this madness is foolish. It won't stop, it'll only be that much more shrill the next time. Think 2012 is bad? Just wait until 2014 if the Democrats win in Congress or the Presidency. I want it to go away, I desperately want a return to at least some manner of decorum, at the very least, but I don't really believe it will. So having said that, I'm stocking up on Pepto Bismol, because it looks like I'm going to be feeling sick for quite a while.
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agreed on Libya though
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2012, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
communist claptrap

As someone stated a few weeks ago, if you wanted to see how Republicans would have acted on 9/11 with a Democrat president, now you know.

The closest I've been to a right winger was a very short period where I flirted with libertarianism, but other than that I've never really allied with the right. Of course, although I didn't agree with them, I didn't think they were fucking scumbags until 2004 with the swiftboating thing. One of the few people I thought Republicans would never attack would be those from the military. But when I saw them call John Kerry a coward, traitor, etc. it was made pretty clear to me that these fucks don't give a damn about ANYONE that isn't 1) on their team 2)supports what they support. Obama never called McCain any of those things, and Democrats in general wouldn't stoop to such scumbag tactics.
Title: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Huff on October 20, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
I think you've being naive if you think both sides don't use personal attacks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2012, 11:30:43 PM
True, but you'd have to be willfully ignorant to say that "both sides" spread misinformation equally as much and in the same way.

Aside from the odd apocryphal Lincoln quote, my liberal FB friends don't copy/paste the sort of BS chain emails that my conservative ones spam my feed with and that keep Snopes.com so busy.  Which makes the phenomenon that much weirder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 11:40:40 PM
Quote from: Huff on October 20, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
I think you've being naive if you think both sides don't use personal attacks.

Sure, we've all heard about how Mittens is a super-wealthy jerk who doesn't much care about poor folks. However, there is at least SOME evidence to support that. Obama has been called a communist, a terrorist-sympathizer, a Muslim, a Kenyan, and a traitor who wants to tear this country apart, with only the most spurious, easily-disproved scraps of evidence supporting those charges. Like Mandark said, you can argue that both sides do get into some name-calling, but there is a tangible difference between what's coming from both sides.

Quote from: Oblivion on October 20, 2012, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2012, 09:07:03 PM
communist claptrap
But when I saw them call John Kerry a coward, traitor, etc. it was made pretty clear to me that these fucks don't give a damn about ANYONE that isn't 1) on their team 2)supports what they support. Obama never called McCain any of those things, and Democrats in general wouldn't stoop to such scumbag tactics.

A quote courtesy of Tea Party member Joe Walsh about his opponent:

Quote
“That’s what’s so noble about our heroes. Now I’m running against a woman who — I mean, my God, that’s all she talks about,” said Walsh, in video posted by Think Progress. “Our true heroes, it’s the last thing in the world they talk about. Our true heroes, the men and women who served us, it’s the last thing in the world they talk about. That’s why we are so indebted and in awe of what they have done.”

For bonus sleaze points, he also complained about Tammy Duckworth buying a dress for the Democratic convention.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2012, 11:57:35 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2012, 11:30:43 PM
True, but you'd have to be willfully ignorant to say that "both sides" spread misinformation equally as much and in the same way.

Aside from the odd apocryphal Lincoln quote, my liberal FB friends don't copy/paste the sort of BS chain emails that my conservative ones spam my feed with and that keep Snopes.com so busy.  Which makes the phenomenon that much weirder.

The right has a weird fetish for conspiracy theories. Even the 9/11 truthers are mostly ultra right wing nutters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 21, 2012, 12:12:52 AM
What you mean to say is that white males with a proclivity for guns are more susceptible to conspiracy theories.


Although reflecting on that, there are plenty of people who buy into all kinds of conspiracies. Big Oil squelches electric motor technology, the Government created AIDS, the government allows drugs to be sold in the inner cities, etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years

There's a complete difference between that stuff (which all happened WELL AFTER the bullshit Iraq war) and what the GOP did re: Benghazi.  That's complete and total false equivalence.  Show me the Democrat saying Bush was incompetent and a pussy on 9/12, because that's what we're talking about here.  You can't equate some crazy ass leftist activists calling Bush Hitler in 2006 to the GOP nominee attempting to exploit a terrorist attack like that.  You're either being willfully obtuse or (more likely) trolling the shit out of me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Well, what are the UN stormtroopers going to come take away if you don't have any guns?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 21, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Well, what are the UN stormtroopers going to come take away if you don't have any guns?

...white women?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2012, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 21, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 21, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Well, what are the UN stormtroopers going to come take away if you don't have any guns?

...white women?

True, that's why I keep a several safely stored in my underground bunker for emergencies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 12:28:15 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 21, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years

There's a complete difference between that stuff (which all happened WELL AFTER the bullshit Iraq war) and what the GOP did re: Benghazi.  That's complete and total false equivalence.  Show me the Democrat saying Bush was incompetent and a pussy on 9/12, because that's what we're talking about here.  You can't equate some crazy ass leftist activists calling Bush Hitler in 2006 to the GOP nominee attempting to exploit a terrorist attack like that.  You're either being willfully obtuse or (more likely) trolling the shit out of me.

I was making a general point on the idea that insane conspiracy theories/crazy emails/etc are predominantly exclusive to one group. There's no question the Libya shit has been disgusting, not just from the fringe folks (which is to be expected) but from mainstream republicans as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2012, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years

I remember all of this because I was heavy into the anti-war movement and even went to a few protests in freshman year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2012, 12:36:03 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 12:28:15 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 21, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years

There's a complete difference between that stuff (which all happened WELL AFTER the bullshit Iraq war) and what the GOP did re: Benghazi.  That's complete and total false equivalence.  Show me the Democrat saying Bush was incompetent and a pussy on 9/12, because that's what we're talking about here.  You can't equate some crazy ass leftist activists calling Bush Hitler in 2006 to the GOP nominee attempting to exploit a terrorist attack like that.  You're either being willfully obtuse or (more likely) trolling the shit out of me.

I was making a general point on the idea that insane conspiracy theories/crazy emails/etc are predominantly exclusive to one group. There's no question the Libya shit has been disgusting, not just from the fringe folks (which is to be expected) but from mainstream republicans as well.

Uh...yeah, that's the whole point, PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2012, 12:48:33 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 12:28:15 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 21, 2012, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years

There's a complete difference between that stuff (which all happened WELL AFTER the bullshit Iraq war) and what the GOP did re: Benghazi.  That's complete and total false equivalence.  Show me the Democrat saying Bush was incompetent and a pussy on 9/12, because that's what we're talking about here.  You can't equate some crazy ass leftist activists calling Bush Hitler in 2006 to the GOP nominee attempting to exploit a terrorist attack like that.  You're either being willfully obtuse or (more likely) trolling the shit out of me.

I was making a general point on the idea that insane conspiracy theories/crazy emails/etc are predominantly exclusive to one group. There's no question the Libya shit has been disgusting, not just from the fringe folks (which is to be expected) but from mainstream republicans as well.

The nation was united for Afghanistan. Then Iraq came out of left right field and the nation was fooled that Iraq was part of the problem.

 When Rupert fucking Murdock says he was trying to sell the Iraq war to the people, realize the hatred toward right wing media earned is earned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2012, 12:49:12 AM
PD fucking shut up.  you and I both know obama has this locked down 70/30.  you're gaf trolling has gotten worse and worse
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
Which is what I think is the biggest problem here, Great Rumbler. Rush going crazy is one thing, but having elected officials give credence to nearly every Obama conspiracy theory is something else. They're so focused on ensuring they secure the votes (and money) of their crazy base that they're willing to outright cosign or insinuate ("that's an interesting question....I've heard that too....that's a good point...") agreement with some nasty shit.

Which ties into the congressional obstruction: if you've called Obama a threat to America, democracy, someone who doesn't understand or care for America, etc...how do you help him do anything, even stuff you agreed with in the past?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 12:50:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Yeah, well I was reading Brad DeLong, Juan Cole, and Paul Krugman.  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 01:03:26 AM
And seriously, PD.  You gonna argue that liberals have adopted the chain email/FB copypasta as a tool for spreading ideas/FUD to anywhere near the degree that conservatives have?  Rilly?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 01:15:30 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 01:03:26 AM
And seriously, PD.  You gonna argue that liberals have adopted the chain email/FB copypasta as a tool for spreading ideas/FUD to anywhere near the degree that conservatives have?  Rilly?

No, I wouldn't argue that; there are simply too many old people to exploit for liberals to catch up with conservatives in that regard. And liberals don't have the Fox News/conservative radio machine to propagate shit as fast. And yet liberals peddled a whole lot of bullshit for eight years. As I said, we can't just pretend like liberals don't go crazy too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2012, 01:20:37 AM
But it's not comparable at all, as you yourself just explained.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 01:22:59 AM
Guess I'll re-post my post

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2012, 11:46:38 PM
I guess this is the page where we pretend liberals didn't go apeshit over Bush. Hey guys, remember how we were going to attack Iran imminently, and Bush would declare martial law to cancel the 2006 (and 2008) elections? Trutherism, or the more tame "Bush knew and did nothing to justify war" arguments?

Dunno what you guys were doing in the aughts but I was knee deep in the Randy Rhodes and antiwar.com trenches

Not saying things aren't worse now, just saying liberals had plenty of crazy shit for 8 years

Not a comment on who has the most nonsense, or propagates it most effectively.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 01:29:48 AM
Except the conversation to that point was about how FUD was spread.  You're addressing a different point only to the degree that you were preemptively calling people hypocrites for shit they hadn't said, which is not a good look.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 01:41:07 AM
Actually Great Rumbler's post argues that liberals have some nasty attacks, but at least they're rooted in some facts
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1571790#msg1571790

I don't think there's a tangible difference between the worse of the left and right; again, unless you pretend many on the far left weren't arguing 911 was an inside job, Bush was going to declare martial law, etc.

While I'd rather make presidential comparisons in terms of FUD, Romney is also getting accused of being racist and being some Israeli puppet/Bibi butt buddy. I wouldn't say it's nearly as overt or saturated as what Obama deals with as president (or even before he became president, tbh) but again, my point is that both sides are guilty of this. I hate to play the role of Willco, but it's the truth
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2012, 01:54:05 AM
The thing that make the Obama conspiracy theories and insults more ridiculous than the "Bush is a fascist" crap, is they seem random and insults for the sake of insults. My favorite of which being that Obama is a socialist which usually is just another word for "distinguished black fellow".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:00:46 AM
Yeah yeah, both sides are guilty if you define "both sides" as encompassing everyone and "guilty" as "containing a subset of crazies".  Well no shit.  You're not going to get a sample size in the tens of millions without getting some cranks.  But what point are you trying to make by nutpicking?

Great Rumbler's relatives aren't "the worst" of the right, they're right around the median.  That's the difference.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 02:03:53 AM
Out of interest, how would you describe the median of Bush criticism (at the time)?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 21, 2012, 02:05:50 AM
yes jesus christ it's not that hard - right wing CANDIDATES and major media personalities on the right spread the foulest fucking lies that internet scum and other assorted fools come up with about their opponents. left wing candidates and media personalities ignore the shit that forum freaks come up with and go with other lines of attack.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 02:03:53 AM
Out of interest, how would you describe the median of Bush criticism (at the time)?

do you not remember that in the run-up to the iraq war it was damn near IMPOSSIBLE to find a critic on a major news station? that for years after 9/11 most complaints of the administration were left to the blogs and the occasional op-ed?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2012, 02:07:17 AM
PD is definitely right about playing the role of Willco in this thread, that's for sure. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2012, 02:12:03 AM
Bush criticism from democrats in the 00's was high, especially once we went to war with Iraq. Remember how it was a joke that Bush looked like a monkey? And many claims that Bush was the worst president ever? Bush criticism was rife, and common. For Democrats, Bush was treated as the worst thing to happen to America in our life times. Remember Fahrenheit 9-11? Super Size Me?

It's funny how Michael Moore, THE poster child of anti-Bush movement, to my knowledge has yet to make similar films about Obama. That the two parties members are only interested in partisan gymnastics shouldn't come as a shock. But Mandark is right in that for the MOST PART, Republicans tend to swing towards an extremism that Democrats just don't embody.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2012, 02:14:43 AM
...Super Size Me? I thought that was about McDonald's?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:24:31 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 21, 2012, 02:12:03 AM
It's funny how Michael Moore, THE poster child of anti-Bush movement, to my knowledge has yet to make similar films about Obama.

Yeah, it's funny how Michael Moore, whose career was made by a documentary on the plight of Flint, Michigan, wouldn't be equally as critical of Barack Obama, the guy who bailed out General Motors.  Hollow partisanship must be the only explanation!

And yeah, Super Size Me?  Huh?



PD:  How bout you tell me what the median criticism was, cause you seem to be implying that trutherism was basically standard issue.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2012, 02:27:53 AM
Guys, guys, guys.  Don't you see?  A powerless protest marcher held up a sign calling Bush Hitler in 2006.  That's basically the same thing as Mitt Romney, Republican nominee for President, jumping on the death of four American diplomats less than 24 hours after they had died as a political attack.  BOTH SIDES DO IT!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 02:28:47 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:24:31 AM

PD:  How bout you tell me what the median criticism was, cause you seem to be implying that trutherism was basically standard issue.

I never said that. Still, I'm curious what you'd label the median criticism from the left to be, as you brought it up first.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:32:28 AM
You want a serious discussion or you just want internet thrust-and-parry?  Cause I'm down for either but I gotta know what to spec for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 02:40:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:32:28 AM
You want a serious discussion or you just want internet thrust-and-parry?  Cause I'm down for either but I gotta know what to spec for.

Serious discussion. Real talk. I don't think I'm out of bounds here. It's true Clinton and Obama faced a shit ton of FUD from a rather well oiled outrage machine. My only point is that Bush dealt with a lot of nonsense from the left as well. And I readily admit that  we didn't see mainstream elected democrats participate in shit like  this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeR5kwqGb98) - ie giving credence to the most gutter shit for votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 21, 2012, 02:42:02 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 21, 2012, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 21, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 21, 2012, 12:16:24 AM
Well, what are the UN stormtroopers going to come take away if you don't have any guns?

...white women?

True, that's why I keep a several safely stored in my underground binder for emergencies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 21, 2012, 02:50:19 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2012, 02:14:43 AM
...Super Size Me? I thought that was about McDonald's?

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 21, 2012, 03:00:32 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 02:40:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:32:28 AM
You want a serious discussion or you just want internet thrust-and-parry?  Cause I'm down for either but I gotta know what to spec for.

Serious discussion. Real talk. I don't think I'm out of bounds here. It's true Clinton and Obama faced a shit ton of FUD from a rather well oiled outrage machine. My only point is that Bush dealt with a lot of nonsense from the left as well. And I readily admit that  we didn't see mainstream elected democrats participate in shit like  this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeR5kwqGb98) - ie giving credence to the most gutter shit for votes.

So you're saying that other than not being comparable at all...they're totally the same thing?

Not sure why y'all are keeping up the arguement with PD when he's already troll-two-stepped himself out of having any real point at all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 03:06:18 AM
Saying "there was craziness on the left" is both true and insignificant.  There are millions of people on The Left!  Some are gonna be fucking crazy.  So?

Now, a lot of what Great Rumbler was getting at is true and significant.  There's a chain email/talk radio/Fox News echo chamber that spreads a remarkable amount of bad information, it's very popular among mainstream conservatives, it has no real equivalent on the liberal side, it's been bent on painting Obama as nefarious since before he took office and it's influential in Republican electoral politics and movement conservative organizing.  It's a huge part of why the GOP successfully maintained lockstep opposition in Obama's first couple years in office.

This is stuff that's shaping our politics.  To the degree that the stuff we type in here isn't a complete waste of time (haw haw haw) it's worth discussing, and not dismissing.  And hell, if you don't think the situations are equivalent, then why make the comparison?  Really, why?  What point are you getting at?  What are you saying, or trying to say?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 21, 2012, 03:18:52 AM
Discussion of any contentious topic on the internet - political, technical or whatever - is going to involve a lot of shit from all sides (+ linkbaiting pundits in between) that is fucking crazy and/or just fucking stupid (intellectually lazy). That is the assumed baseline, any non-pointless discussion has to be about value-added craziness/stupidity on top of that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 03:31:45 AM
I feel like we're discussing different things. My response to GR's post was clearly focused on the idea that there is extremist language/views on both sides, as seen during the Bush years when many on the left went crazy; likewise many in the right are going crazy now.

We all agree that the right wing spreads nonsense more effectively, more rapidly, and in higher concentrations.  I don't think the left fails at it for lack of trying - there were plenty of anti Bush chain mails in the aughts. But it's always going to be easier to boogeyman the government than oil men and corporations. Like wise the black guy with the funny name is gonna be the target of very ugly fud that resonates with a largely older audience.

I took his post to mean when liberals attack, they get some basic facts right whereas the right is just way off in crazy land. So yeah, that's where the confusion and disagreement is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 03:35:11 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on October 21, 2012, 03:18:52 AM
Discussion of any contentious topic on the internet - political, technical or whatever - is going to involve a lot of shit from all sides (+ linkbaiting pundits in between) that is fucking crazy and/or just fucking stupid (intellectually lazy). That is the assumed baseline, any non-pointless discussion has to be about value-added craziness/stupidity on top of that.

Yep.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 21, 2012, 08:09:38 AM
With the two party system, you basically only have to convince your faithful (and fence sitters) that the other side is [blank]. So you just scour the country for news stories, interviews,  proposals, quotes that continually reinforce those ideas. There has been entire networks of media built on this and more and more people seem comfortable to get all their information through these channels.

Humans are xenophobic by nature, so if you can successfully 'other' the opposing party, you have a clan member for life. That's what makes politics so gross to me, it's mostly about playing upon people's weaknesses in order to get votes. There's really no new ideas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 08:31:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2012, 02:40:31 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 21, 2012, 02:32:28 AM
You want a serious discussion or you just want internet thrust-and-parry?  Cause I'm down for either but I gotta know what to spec for.

Serious discussion. Real talk. I don't think I'm out of bounds here. It's true Clinton and Obama faced a shit ton of FUD from a rather well oiled outrage machine. My only point is that Bush dealt with a lot of nonsense from the left as well. And I readily admit that  we didn't see mainstream elected democrats participate in shit like  this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeR5kwqGb98) - ie giving credence to the most gutter shit for votes.

Was the government shut down under Bush? Was he impeached? The worst he got was bumper stickers saying "When Bush lied people died"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 21, 2012, 08:47:29 AM
I know they will be loath to admit it but GAF != mainstream Democratic politics

I know there was a very vocal subset there that would blame Bush for things that weren't even tangentially related to anything he did, however, that really didn't creep into the mainstream Democratic party.  The GOP however, even prominent Republicans, embraced what used to be embraced by freepers, dark corners of LGF, etc. especially after 2008.  I don't think the two are relatable.

Although if Romney wins (lulz), I would expect that hot button issues under Bush but continued under Obama, such as holding suspected terrorists indefinitely, to suddenly be relevant and discussed again now that the President isn't "their guy."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2012, 09:13:57 AM
What I meant with my post is that Fox News is gutter scum.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2012, 10:55:52 AM
Final dagger in the "we're talking about two different things here" argument with PD- I just saw someone use "trickle down government" in an argument on fb.  The Right Wing Noise Machine works, which is why it's so objectionable.  There's nothing institutionalized like it on the left.  If you keep trying to argue your point, you're just trollin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 21, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the last debate is tomorrow.  This one should be the most interesting because Romney has to kill it just to be competitive in the final stretch.  So he can be either total shitballs insane as he claws for a couple more points to try to turn Ohio around or he will try to tone it down versus his last debate's performance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 21, 2012, 08:13:37 PM
I just can't fathom Obama losing in a debate that is absolutely his bread and butter from his first term.  Iraq = done, Afghanistan = ending, Iran = negotiations beginning, Osama bin Laden = dead.  Libya is a hiccup but nothing near the disaster the republicans are tying to frame it, like the Carter fiasco.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 21, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the last debate is tomorrow.  This one should be the most interesting because Romney has to kill it just to be competitive in the final stretch.  So he can be either total shitballs insane as he claws for a couple more points to try to turn Ohio around or he will try to tone it down versus his last debate's performance.

I wouldn't go that far. If a handful of swing states go the wrong way Romney can still put this one away.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 21, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the last debate is tomorrow.  This one should be the most interesting because Romney has to kill it just to be competitive in the final stretch.  So he can be either total shitballs insane as he claws for a couple more points to try to turn Ohio around or he will try to tone it down versus his last debate's performance.

I wouldn't go that far. If a handful of swing states go the wrong way Romney can still put this one away.
Obama has a team that watches fox news 24/7(or they sub-contract the work out to The Daily Show's team). They know everything he's gonna say.
Then again, McCain had god tier levels of FP experience over Obama and it didn't change anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 21, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 21, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the last debate is tomorrow.  This one should be the most interesting because Romney has to kill it just to be competitive in the final stretch.  So he can be either total shitballs insane as he claws for a couple more points to try to turn Ohio around or he will try to tone it down versus his last debate's performance.

I wouldn't go that far. If a handful of swing states go the wrong way Romney can still put this one away.
Obama has a team that watches fox news 24/7(or they sub-contract the work out to The Daily Show's team). They know everything he's gonna say.
Then again, McCain had god tier levels of FP experience over Obama and it didn't change anything.

I'm not saying Obama won't win the debate, I'm saying Romney doesn't have to kill it to win, or even be competitive. He is already competitive.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 03:11:10 AM
Holy shit, David Gregory must have been looking at naked pics of Soledad O'Brien or something, cause he actually asked a great question today:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/10/david-gregory-wins-award-for-best.html

I've been waiting for someone, ANYONE in the mainstream media to point this shit out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 22, 2012, 07:44:05 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 21, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 21, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on October 21, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the last debate is tomorrow.  This one should be the most interesting because Romney has to kill it just to be competitive in the final stretch.  So he can be either total shitballs insane as he claws for a couple more points to try to turn Ohio around or he will try to tone it down versus his last debate's performance.

I wouldn't go that far. If a handful of swing states go the wrong way Romney can still put this one away.
Obama has a team that watches fox news 24/7(or they sub-contract the work out to The Daily Show's team). They know everything he's gonna say.
Then again, McCain had god tier levels of FP experience over Obama and it didn't change anything.

I'm not saying Obama won't win the debate, I'm saying Romney doesn't have to kill it to win, or even be competitive. He is already competitive.

Yea, Romney is now within the MoE in every swing state.  Nowadays what gives me hope is Obama's exceptional ground game and the unaccounted for Latinos Who Dont Take Poll Calls But Still Votes Democrat on Election Day that Nate Silver talked up a couple weeks ago.  Which basically puts me in the same category as the conservative belief in a Silent Majority, I realize.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 22, 2012, 08:43:44 AM
Obama/Biden are blitzing Ohio with visits this week and the Romney camp has none scheduled ...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 12:54:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uRHNm.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 22, 2012, 01:07:07 PM
pronounced downward trend
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 01:19:21 PM
Barry, as mentioned I put my faith not just in Ohio but in Ohio Early Voting which is tantamount to putting your faith in tachyon-driven time travel ballots. OBAMA'S VICTORY WILL COME FROM BEFORE THE FIRST DEBATE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 22, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
Obama wins by 3.5 percentage points and 52 electoral votes. That's my official prediction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 01:28:41 PM
I'm guessing 2.5 and 45.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 01:31:53 PM
I'm guessing 10.5 and 250.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2012, 01:33:41 PM
I'm going to a conference for work today in Corvalis, OR and will be staying at a hotel with a coworker. I have no clue about his political leanings, but I really want to watch the debate tonight. Might just sit at a bar somewhere and watch it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 22, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
Alcohol and politics sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
2% popular vote margin
Obama 303-235 (Obama wins co, ia, va, oh, nh; loses fl and nc)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 01:39:27 PM
My predictions have ultimately remained unchanged since september, for the most part.  The states that were already pretty close and hard for Obama to win just got even harder and more likely for Romney, that's all.  VA, FL, and CO.  But Obama remains strong in OH, WI, NV, and relatively strong in IO thanks to early voting.  I could see Obama even snagging VA and Romney swiping CO, but I think in terms of likelihood:

1) Obama wins OH, NH, WI, IO, CO, and NV -- that's 290
2) Obama wins OH, NH, WI, IO, VA, and NV -- that's 294
3) Obama wins OH, NH, WI, IO, VA, NV, AND CO -- that's 303
4) Obama wins OH, NH, WI, IO and NV only -- he's still at 281

the worries about NH are mostly noise that happens every four years.  mumblemumble rich white men mumblemumble, it still breaks blue when it has to.

I'm going with Bams - 290, Romney - 248..
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 22, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on October 22, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
Alcohol and politics sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.
Alcohol, politics and work.  He should slip in a few religious references during the debate as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 02:08:37 PM
i'm predicting a romney win
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 02:09:51 PM
no you're not
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 22, 2012, 02:15:53 PM
Drinky must rub elbows with the hyper-functional Fuck You, Got Mine demo every day, it wouldn't surprise me if his particular gestalt leads him to conclude a Romney victory :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 02:19:57 PM
Drinky is part of the 1%.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 02:33:03 PM
I'm predicting a Ron Paul win, he's got top secret electors in the EC, believe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
This is kind of where I'm at.

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=NQO

Although every day something else happens that freaks me the fuck out.  Today, it's TPM moving PA to a swing state.  I looked at the polls and can't really figure out why, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 03:26:59 PM
I can't decide which of today's Onion headlines I like better:

RomneyLabs Concocts 'Doomsday Zinger' Capable Of Swinging Any Debate, However Lopsided (http://www.theonion.com/articles/romneylabs-concocts-doomsday-zinger-capable-of-swi,30016/)

or

Romney Foreign Policy Debate Prep In Crisis Mode After Discovering Existence Of Country Called 'Womania' (http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-foreign-policy-debate-prep-in-crisis-mode-a,30043/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 04:42:13 PM
i'm just sayin', there's a pretty close margin in those swing states... :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
kill the curmudgeon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 05:05:08 PM
Former Israeli Spymaster: We Need To Talk to Iran
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2012/al-monitor/israelsecurityiran.html#ixzz2A2DySOjZ

Great interview with former Mossad head Efraim Halevy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 05:05:08 PM
former Mossad head Efraim Halevy

Obviously an anti-semite.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
flashback to 2000
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 05:16:05 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 05:14:23 PM
flashback to 2000

what's this in reference to, the link PD posted?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 05:27:05 PM
oh, i expect there to be all sorts of vote count shenanigans and suppression efforts on a scale that will make 2000 pale. romney's wealthy benefactors clearly see a greater good (israel, neoconservative nation building, the general ideology of the rich that presumes anything good for them must be good for the little people) that necessitates a suspension of any/all immediate ethical credos. after all, obama is a CRIMINAL that MUST be stopped at any cost, for america...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Gonna second PD recommending that interview.  Kept getting to parts that made me think "Yes! Thank you!"

Quote
Although the claim was, if you talk to them, you legitimize them But by not talking to them, you don't de-legitimate them.

Quote
But to understand it is not to justify
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 05:27:05 PM
oh, i expect there to be all sorts of vote count shenanigans and suppression efforts on a scale that will make 2000 pale. romney's wealthy benefactors clearly see a greater good (israel, neoconservative nation building, the general ideology of the rich that presumes anything good for them must be good for the little people) that necessitates a suspension of any/all immediate ethical credos. after all, obama is a CRIMINAL that MUST be stopped at any cost, for america...

I'm doubtful of any of this actually gaining traction in the states that matter.  Ohio already said fuck you to Husted.  That sort of stuff might factor into NH's final results, and Florida is already most likely Romney's to begin with...I can't imagine that shit really happening in a dire way in IO or CO.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 05:50:52 PM
It's IA, not IO.

Obama only needs NV and OH to win, and those are his strongest swing states. He doesn't even need CO or VA or even IA unless he starts losing WI or NH. I don't think he will lose WI but even if he loses NH it doesn't matter if he has OH+NV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 06:23:51 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-campaign-releases-new-picture-of-candidate,30048/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:teaser:default
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 07:05:46 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 05:50:52 PM
It's IA, not IO.

Obama only needs NV and OH to win, and those are his strongest swing states. He doesn't even need CO or VA or even IA unless he starts losing WI or NH. I don't think he will lose WI but even if he loses NH it doesn't matter if he has OH+NV.

ah my bad.  I've always sucked at state abbreviations
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2012, 07:08:59 PM
The problem for Romney is that he almost has to run the table in the swing states to win.  The problem for Obama is that's the way shit is trending.  It will probably all come down to turnout vs. dirty tricks.  I'm starting to think betting on dirty tricks is the smart bet.

Honestly though, if America is this fucking dumb we deserve to be a banana republic ruled over by our Galtian 1% overlords.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 22, 2012, 07:12:16 PM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on October 22, 2012, 05:27:05 PM
oh, i expect there to be all sorts of vote count shenanigans and suppression efforts on a scale that will make 2000 pale. romney's wealthy benefactors clearly see a greater good (israel, neoconservative nation building, the general ideology of the rich that presumes anything good for them must be good for the little people) that necessitates a suspension of any/all immediate ethical credos. after all, obama is a CRIMINAL that MUST be stopped at any cost, for america...

Considering the mass voter suppression Obama will carry out via the Black Panthers and ACORN, he is a criminal that does need to be stopped at any cost.

Also I agree with the rest of your post.  Ohio will be the new Florida as Romney slinks into his victory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/eypjl.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
ya'll are crazy.  Ohio and Nevada have been mostly consistent since the summer.

aka: Nate Silver is my god
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2012, 07:33:59 PM
I really, really hope so.  Just have a bad feeling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
resisting the urge to post chillthefuckoutigotthis.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 22, 2012, 07:54:34 PM
No way.

After Romney wins this debate, Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia almost instantly turn red.  Nevada and Ohio hold out for a little while longer, with both states falling into Romney's camp next week.  Then the "true battleground states" end up being New Hampshire and Wisconsin.  New Hampshire will lean Obama but after significant voter suppression, Diebold, ACORN, NBPP, etc., Wisconsin tips into a narrow Romney victory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 07:55:40 PM
Is there any merit to that voting machines being owned by Tagg Romney story floating around?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 08:02:20 PM
I don't think its garnered any national attention, of fucking course.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 08:07:42 PM
Quote from: Chuck Todd
The voting machine conspiracies belong in same category as the Trump birther garbage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 22, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
I read something that called the Libya thing "the worst response to a an attack on America ever" or some such nonsense.  Did these people completely forget Iraq?  I'm guessing they did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 08:17:35 PM
What exactly are they proposing Obama should have done about Libya? Start bombing? Send ground troops? Seriously, what response are they demanding for a terrorist attack that no government had a part in?

ohhh that's right, I remember how they responded to the last terrorist attack that no government had a part in
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 22, 2012, 08:36:56 PM
I'm going to go ahead say that they really want a condemnation of Islam as a whole.  This is just circling the bowl for them really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/20/why_the_foreign_policy_debate_is_already_ruined

the fuck?  Two-thirds of the debate is going to be dedicated to the Middle East?  ffs....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Not really surprising.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/20/why_the_foreign_policy_debate_is_already_ruined

the fuck?  Two-thirds of the debate is going to be dedicated to the Middle East?  ffs....

To make it even more hilarious, I bet there won't be much Pakistan talk

And I bet there won't be any arms control talk either
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/20/why_the_foreign_policy_debate_is_already_ruined

the fuck?  Two-thirds of the debate is going to be dedicated to the Middle East?  ffs....

 :cancry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 08:55:27 PM
"Obama's Middle East Policy: Threat or Menace?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 08:58:59 PM
"Who is our greatest threat, October Iran or November Iran?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:00:31 PM
"America's Greatest Threat: Obama or Iran?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
Iran: Our Second Greatest Geopolitical Foe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:07:08 PM
The first question was written by the Romney campaign

We have learned that we can't kill our way out of terrorism from a Republican, and that Osama doesn't matter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
"We can't kill our way out of this mess." - A Republican
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
"We can't kill our way out of this mess." - A Republican

Incredible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 09:11:19 PM
God damn, the CNN undecided voters are all over the fuckin place tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
Romney's looking upset already. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:13:24 PM
Guess I better switch over to this, the Cards are playing the choke card early tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:13:24 PM
Obama jumped the gun
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 09:13:40 PM
So WTF is Mitt gonna do? Send all of the Muslims to "don't hate America" camp?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 22, 2012, 09:14:48 PM
ROMNEY WITH THE SMACKDOWN
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 22, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
WHO DERE WHO DERE ITS ROMNEY MOTHERFUCKER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Romney seems quite...reserved. I think Obama may be too aggressive but still, it's weird
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 09:16:26 PM
Romney seems quite...reserved. I think Obama may be too aggressive but still, it's weird

Fuck it, that won the first debate and nothing calls for more chest puffing than foreign policy.

The CNN bars seem Obama friendly to me so far
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:17:34 PM
ROMNEY SMIRK
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 09:19:57 PM
Did Mitt forget he's a Republican? His answer was almost identical to Obama's in terms of the anti-war stance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:20:23 PM
Romney's Syria response is horrible. He almost literally repeated everything Obama just said.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 09:21:42 PM
Ya, this is snooze-worthy so far.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 09:21:54 PM
can someone shit on holmes already
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Mitt: No military involvement in Syria
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:22:47 PM
Romney would do the same thing, but he would do it better.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Mitt: No military involvement in Syria

"but we need a leadership role"

Whatever that means.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:23:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Mitt: No military involvement in Syria

"but we need a leadership role"

Whatever that means.

And it means...nothing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
Not watching this, but I predict the general Romney line will be: Obama's doing horrible, things are falling apart, we need to do something different, and no don't worry I'm not going to invade anyone that would be crazy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
Not watching this, but I predict the general Romney line will be: Obama's doing horrible, things are falling apart, we need to do something different, and no don't worry I'm not going to invade anyone that would be crazy.

His line so far is "We should be doing exactly what Obama is doing, but better somehow."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 22, 2012, 09:22:47 PM
Romney would do the same thing, but he would do it harder.

fixed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:25:48 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
Not watching this, but I predict the general Romney line will be: Obama's doing horrible, things are falling apart, we need to do something different, and no don't worry I'm not going to invade anyone that would be crazy.

It's actually far milder than that
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 22, 2012, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 08:39:01 PM
http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/20/why_the_foreign_policy_debate_is_already_ruined

the fuck?  Two-thirds of the debate is going to be dedicated to the Middle East?  ffs....
The United States is obsessed. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 22, 2012, 09:22:47 PM
Romney would do the same thing, but he would do it better.

Pretty much.  And if that's the strategy for him tonight, I don't think I'm going to be able to resist flipping the channel.

That being said, Obama is doing a good job on his part.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 22, 2012, 09:27:17 PM
I think Mitt realizes he has alot more to lose than he had to gain with this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:28:03 PM
Mitt sounds really flustered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
Our military is second to none, but it needs to be second to noner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:29:58 PM
We do not have any better relations now than we did four years ago!

Forgive me, but has Obama had any fucking shoes thrown at him?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
It'll be interesting how Obama deals with questions about Iran and what the redline is for their nuclear program.  Cause as chief strategist for the US, his best option is to not answer the question, because it's subject to negotiation and he shouldn't give away his hand.  But as a candidate and as the leader of a democracy, he's sort of obligated to answer.

I'd duck it with some pablum about how the first priority is to assure the safety of the United States and its ally Israel, that we're open to different approaches that would satisfy that, and that we shouldn't set preconditions when we still have to get key NATO/Security Council countries on board in order to make sure any deal is enforceable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:34:25 PM
At this point, the only thing to look forward to is Mitt Romney tripping over his own feet sometime during the next hour. Other than that...nothing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Oh god, Romney is reciting his stupid 5 point plan again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
jesus christ, I'm gonna hammer on some beers after this.  what a ridiculous segment in this debate.  THIS IS FUCKING FOREIGN POLICY.  MODERATOR...FUCKING MODERATE.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:35:47 PM
What happened to Schiefer? Did he have a heart attack?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:36:30 PM
Math and science and class sizes, wtf is going on here? :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 09:37:23 PM
Ya, Schieffer is completely invisible here.  And not in the good way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:37:45 PM
Women moderators >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> men moderators

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Except Kagari.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 22, 2012, 09:37:49 PM
I'm so proud of the state I happened to be governor of that I refuse to say it's name
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:37:59 PM
Drezner knew this debate was ruined for the start, but I bet he didn't think he would be ruined like that. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:39:23 PM
"5% cut on all spending! But let's increase military spending."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:39:26 PM
Now it's Obamacare. I think I'm going back to watch the Cards get killed. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 22, 2012, 09:41:24 PM
It's as if they've abandoned all pretense of this being a foreign policy debate. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:41:29 PM
Romney's pulling an Obama and just staring at the ground most of the time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 22, 2012, 09:42:55 PM
Obama is winning this, but I'm getting the feeling that the audience that sits through the entire debate will be miniscule compared to the others.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:43:26 PM
Romney's stupid CNN lines are flatlining.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:43:26 PM
Romney's stupid CNN lines are flatlining.

Yeah, looks like people are tuning him out, except for the moments where his lines sinks like a stone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:44:20 PM
:bow ships that go underwater :bow2 We are living in the future after all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:44:44 PM
:omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
I'm really missing the awkward standing open stage debate from last time  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:44:54 PM
I guess Obama just gave up the Amish vote. Pennsylvania is back in play
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:45:42 PM
Bob Sheiffer just referred to the Soviet Union in the present tense
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:45:42 PM
Bob Sheiffer just referred to the Soviet Union in the present tense

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 09:46:34 PM
That was the best line of the night (Obama countering Mitt's Naval size bit)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
Holy shit, that Battleship portion is gonna be the most memorable moment of the night.

:bow Obama :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
Mitt Romney's idea of cultural alignment with Israel is baptizing Ann Frank
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:45:42 PM
Bob Sheiffer just referred to the Soviet Union in the present tense

The balls back in Mitt's court!

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
Mitt Romney's idea of cultural alignment with Israel is baptizing Ann Frank

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 09:49:34 PM
holy fuck at obama's zinger

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1271310_o.gif)

also:

mitt: "I wouldn't imposed tight sanctions.  Now?  I want to impose tight sanctions."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:50:56 PM
So what's the deal with Iran?

(http://i.imgur.com/S1SkW.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:51:26 PM
The sanctions are so good, I would have done them earlier or something, but they are working very well, FART
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:51:37 PM
From TPM:

Quote
Romney is making a rousing case for Obama’s policy.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
Uh-oh, it's apology tour time!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:53:51 PM
fart fart fart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 22, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
there is going to be a crippling amount of sad in st louis county tomorrow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
Someone grab Tagg before he runs down there and hits the President!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:56:15 PM
Seriously, though, who the heck were those guys that showed up in the first debate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:57:03 PM
I want Romney and Obama to just fight it out for the presidency, right here on live TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
omfg Obama just cut Romney off and is gonna dunk on him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 09:57:45 PM
All these words are pointless.  Romney won two out of three coin tosses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 09:57:53 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 09:46:34 PM
That was the best line of the night (Obama countering Mitt's Naval size bit)

Obama muddying the waters on his administration's inadequate funding for galleons, schooners, and frigates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
"America does not dictate to other nations, it's frees them from dictators!"

lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 22, 2012, 09:58:25 PM
OBAMA DOWN FOR THE PIN BY BIG MITT 1...2...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 09:59:19 PM
LOL, more like Obama is gonna need to go on an apology tour for that beat down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
What is this what if horse shit? Fuck you Sheiffer, and thank you for Romney shutting him down. That was some horse shit.

And everyone knows our shit is underwater now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:59:39 PM
Schieffer just got brushed off. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
"America does not dictate to other nations, it's frees them from dictators!"

lol

I know hey, do people actually believe that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on October 22, 2012, 10:01:46 PM
They are letting it out on each other since this is the last one... lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:02:24 PM
Mitt Romney has a mushroom stamp on his left cheek
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:03:10 PM
Undecided women are eating this up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
He is making Romney drink a four year old's bitter tears
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 22, 2012, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 09:58:15 PM
"America does not dictate to other nations, it's frees them from dictators!"

lol

I know hey, do people actually believe that?

Most Americans do.

But Ben affleck is fixing that through Argo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:04:19 PM
Sheiffer just gave Romney the meatspin and Romney took some A2M
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
What is this what if horse shit? Fuck you Sheiffer, and thank you for Romney shutting him down. That was some horse shit.

And everyone knows our shit is underwater now

Ya, Romney did right for that question.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:05:25 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 09:59:29 PM
What is this what if horse shit? Fuck you Sheiffer, and thank you for Romney shutting him down. That was some horse shit.

And everyone knows our shit is underwater now

Ya, Romney did right for that question.

He tried to talk over Schieffer again, but Schieffer slapped him down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:05:32 PM
Romney got stuck with first response to another hypothetical and now he's endorsing the Obama withdrawl lol

This debate is over. Please end this campaign.


PAKISTAN MIGHT SOON HAVE MORE NUKES THAN A WHITE COUNTRY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:04:19 PM
Sheiffer just gave Romney the meatspin and Romney took some A2M

This is why I follow this thread rather than watch the debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:07:27 PM
From TPM:

Quote
Mitt’s so punch drunk at the moment he apparently thinks he’s signed on as President Obama’s State Department spokesman. Who’s he arguing against with Pakistan?

This is seriously a total reverse of the first debate. Mitt's not even keeping it tight like the last debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:08:27 PM
so, uh, romney now supports the withdrawal in 2014?  since fucking when?

christ this is an embarrassment of a campaign
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:09:19 PM
This is a horrible moderator.

Moderator: Let's talk about Israel
Obama/Romney: Let's not
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:09:23 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 22, 2012, 10:08:27 PM
so, uh, romney now supports the withdrawal in 2014?  since fucking when?

christ this is an embarrassment of a campaign

On twitter, Cormac said that Romney is campaigning to be Obama's VP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:09:25 PM
Obama Bin Laden
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:09:38 PM
Schieffer referred to OBL as "Obama." :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:09:48 PM
Schieffer just said "Obama's Bin Laden" Christ.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:09:57 PM
Every time Obama goes into story time Romney gives a give-me-a-break roll-eyes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 22, 2012, 10:09:57 PM
Every time Obama goes into story time Romney gives a give-me-a-break roll-eyes.

To be fair, I did, too. :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
Mitt looks like a broken robot man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:11:09 PM
Oh my God, Mitt is seriously morphing into the State Department spokesman. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 22, 2012, 10:09:57 PM
Every time Obama goes into story time Romney gives a give-me-a-break roll-eyes.

To be fair, I did, too. :)

So did I but I'm not on TV. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:11:09 PM
Oh my God, Mitt is seriously morphing into the State Department spokesman. :lol

It really is Bizarro-debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:12:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7QkVCEDFgo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:11:09 PM
Oh my God, Mitt is seriously morphing into the State Department spokesman. :lol

Completely agree.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:12:46 PM
Mitt: "Drones are good, get off Obama's back!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
Hey, a drone question, thank God.

Now Himuro can shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:13:09 PM
how the FUCK can you claim al-quada isn't running
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
Hey, a drone question, thank God.

Now Himuro can shut the fuck up.

Except Mitt has Obama's back on that subject. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 10:14:23 PM
IF ONLY THE TWO PARTY DUOPOLY LET JILL STEIN IN HERE AMERICANS COULD HAVE A REAL CHOICE!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:14:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDm3lIqp3_E
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
Hey, a drone question, thank God.

Now Himuro can shut the fuck up.

Except Mitt has Obama's back on that subject. :rofl

Mitt will never replace Hillary as Secretary of State if he disagrees with Obama on anything in this debate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:15:52 PM
Mitt can't even be bothered to smirk wryly anymore, he just looks really tired.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:16:17 PM
neither said dick about the drones.  himuro raging; voting for krusty the klown
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:16:19 PM
Obama is stealing Romney's China needs to play by the rules thing form the last debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 10:14:23 PM
IF ONLY THE TWO PARTY DUOPOLY LET JILL STEIN IN HERE AMERICANS COULD HAVE A REAL CHOICE!

She'll be doing a live jailhouse debate later on www.greenparty.tv.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
TRICKLE DOWN GOVERNMENT. CHINA BAD. IRAN. NEXT QUESTION.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 10:19:36 PM
Mitt's composure is worse than ever. Tagg is gonna rush the stage.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:20:21 PM
I've been watching for years as jobs have been shipped to China - From my top floor suite at Bain Capital
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:21:01 PM
Mitt Romney worked with Valve? Counterfeit Half-Life 3 incoming?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:21:34 PM
He wants to put a valve on my lockbox


Obama went right from the low hanging fruit on jobs overseas lol, he should have tweeted that shit as Romney spoke
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:22:12 PM
Mitts harping on counterfits is so strange.  It's like it's his only experience with China and it is such a tiny thing considering everything else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 22, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
i just choked on my cereal on that overseas jobs burn :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
Mitt Romney once went to China and saw a bootleg DVD of The Dark Knight. It was in that moment that he realized China was the greatest threat to America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:24:19 PM
Born and raised in south Detroit! He took the midnight train going anywhere!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 10:24:55 PM
Mitt-- "attacking me won't solve anything  :gloomy "
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Romney on Libya:
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2096133_o.gif)

Romney on Iran:
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2096133_o.gif)

Romney on Israel:
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2096133_o.gif)

Romney on outsourcing:
(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2096133_o.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:25:56 PM
eeeesh.  romney straight lying here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM
No one will look it up.  :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 22, 2012, 10:26:49 PM
No one will look it up.  :usacry

Even an idiot knows Romney wrote that article at this point
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA

hey fucking ass douche, tell me how.  tell me how romney smacked down obama there.  facts, stats, past statements.  go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
Romney met a four year old girl that was out of work.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:28:51 PM
I MET PEOPLE IN SWING STATES

NEVER MIND WHAT THEY SAID, I FORGOT

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2096133_o.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 10:28:53 PM
Obama: "That isn't true!"
Mitt:  ":-X"

Mitt: "You're lying!"
Obama: "the fuck I am! Look it up! SOMEONE WILL LOOK IT UP."
Mitt:  ":-X"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2012, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA

aww, look at dat widdle Methodis!  he's so cyute, yes he ish!  :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:29:37 PM
LMFAO "I think we all love teachers"

One final wrinkly teabag in Romney's mouth
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on October 22, 2012, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 22, 2012, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA

hey fucking ass douche, tell me how.  tell me how romney smacked down obama there.  facts, stats, past statements.  go.

hey maybe you should THINK for once and use your BRAIN instead of subscribing to this hipster hive mind who supports OBAMA jsut because he's DEMOCRATIC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
btw I couldn't get a talking point in, I love teachers, just let me say that really fast
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
I can't wait to see what the polls say. I thought this was a horrible debate overall. Schieffer let them talk about jobs, the economy, education, and other crap in a debate about foreign policy. But will anyone care?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 22, 2012, 10:31:08 PM
Awww, the debate's pretty much over. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:31:42 PM
No one cares about foreign policy unless it can be used as a talking point during an election year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
I can't wait to see what the polls say. I thought this was a horrible debate overall. Schieffer let them talk about jobs, the economy, education, and other crap in a debate about foreign policy. But will anyone care?

That's a good thing I think for most people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:32:43 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:29:44 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 22, 2012, 10:27:54 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA

hey fucking ass douche, tell me how.  tell me how romney smacked down obama there.  facts, stats, past statements.  go.

hey maybe you should THINK for once and use your BRAIN instead of subscribing to this hipster hive mind who supports OBAMA jsut because he's DEMOCRATIC.

nice retort.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 22, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
Romney: "Teachers" *makes jackoff motion*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:33:07 PM
And now we see whether CNN takes Mitt back behind the woodshed like he deserves after that performance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:33:41 PM
Romney: maintaining food stamps, expanding Pell grants. Republican candidate for President
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 22, 2012, 10:33:41 PM
Romney is still looking a bit misty eyed. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:34:27 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
I can't wait to see what the polls say. I thought this was a horrible debate overall. Schieffer let them talk about jobs, the economy, education, and other crap in a debate about foreign policy. But will anyone care?

That's a good thing I think for most people.

Ya as long as they both promise to keep the sand people inline, most people are more interested in what they will do for home policy.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA

Hey guys, remember how much more effective this was in the first debate when all the board's liberals were already freaking out?  This time only BN is biting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
Wow. Hearing Romney talk about working across the aisle made me throw up in my mouth a little. :-X
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 22, 2012, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on October 22, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
romney laying the SMACK DOWN on OBAMA

Hey guys, remember how much more effective this was in the first debate when all the board's liberals were already freaking out?  This time only BN is biting.

 :( I wasn't here for the first one
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
Romney reduced to a whimpering simp. Obama should make him Secretary of Agriculture and keep him in a trunk in the Lincoln bedroom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:36:48 PM
Romney talks about bipartisanship like it's one-way street.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 22, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/548676_10151295163276081_1960999719_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
How many Romneys are there? Will we get a Romney-Romney ticket in a few years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 22, 2012, 10:37:34 PM
Carville summed it up perfectly: Romney in debate #3 = Obama in debate #1.

He was either agreeing with Obama or just babbling without even saying much. Obama addressed specific things in a lot of Romney's points tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:38:23 PM
The Repubs on CNN are saying this debate didn't matter. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 22, 2012, 10:38:36 PM
Ari Fleischer: Romney was great, appealed to women by saying he would go to the UN. btw the debate didn't matter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 22, 2012, 10:39:57 PM
Romney tried to be a hardass about foreign policy in the second debate and got slapped down.  I guess he figured tonguing Obama's asshole would provide better results this time around.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
Quote from: fryinghigh on October 22, 2012, 10:37:31 PM
How many Romneys are there? Will we get a Romney-Romney ticket in a few years?

Could be a Romney-Romney-Romney ticket if we don't stem the flow of Chinese counterfeits. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 22, 2012, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 22, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
This is kind of where I'm at.

http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=NQO

Although every day something else happens that freaks me the fuck out.  Today, it's TPM moving PA to a swing state.  I looked at the polls and can't really figure out why, though.

I wanna say same as your map but with Obama taking FL.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
Republicans are the party of peace now I guess, watching CNN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
Repubs on CNN sound desperate, Dems look like they're having fun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:46:30 PM
http://mashable.com/2012/10/22/tweet-of-the-night/ (http://mashable.com/2012/10/22/tweet-of-the-night/)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on October 22, 2012, 10:47:32 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 22, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
Republicans are the party of peace now I guess, watching CNN.

Republicans are the party of peace.  And America is the hope of Earth.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:51:18 PM
according to fox's twitter:

"During the debate a marine tweeted us to inform us that the marines still use bayonettes, so it may not be clear who doesnt understand what the military currently uses"

fucking LOL

:rofl

fox and cnn are an absolute JOKE right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 10:53:36 PM
Romney looked like Obama in the first debate; he barely defended himself and often seemed rather reserved. And when he wasn't reserved, he was agreeing with Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 10:57:36 PM
Big Bird, Binders, and Bayonets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 11:06:25 PM
(http://i.minus.com/i2uqQ6ppnuQlE.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
I saw nothing from the debate. Honest assessment, my Bore bros?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 11:15:48 PM
Boring as fuck. Obama took Romney out behind the woodshed but nobody cares. Romney promised to do exactly what Obama has done, only with 12 million more jobs and stronger "leadership." In conclusion, the Republicans are the party of peace and bipartisanship, who - unlike Democrats - realize there are some problems you can't just kill your way out of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2012, 11:09:54 PM
I saw nothing from the debate. Honest assessment, my Bore bros?

Romney sounded and looked a lot like Obama in the first debate. Very reserved, almost disoriented, and didn't defend himself from some pretty direct attacks. And when he wasn't being passive, he was agreeing with Obama. I gotta say I was 100% wrong on this debate: I assumed Romney would come out with the bluster and "strength" conservatives champion. Instead he tried to sound...like Obama, and it failed.

Eric Erickson (Red State/CNN) is pretending like the debate was a wash, but I can't imagine Romney's camp being happy about what happened. More interestingly I want to see what the neoconservatives have to say about his performance and answers tonight; they can't be happy about Romney giving a deadline for Afghanistan, for instance. And like Obama when he claimed Romney's Social Security support was the same as his in the first debate, Romney basically agreed with Obama's Iran sanctions 100%. Amazing...

Obama dominated the entire debate. I thought Romney did great at the very end when he got to list off the various bad economic data to Obama, but that was it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2012, 11:22:17 PM
neocons are spinning like crazy already PD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 11:24:15 PM
Romney basically tried to portray himself as a bigger peacenik than Obama, they know they'll get their war but can't be happy about his mealy-mouthed appeasement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
(http://d.pr/i/DssS+)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2012, 11:27:42 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 11:31:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sk1v7.jpg)
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Spurgeon on October 22, 2012, 11:35:10 PM
Did Mitt get visibly red as the debate progressed, or did my color settings reset when my electricity went out?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 22, 2012, 11:36:15 PM
I didn't watch a lick of this, but judging by the reaction, Mitt was playing to the 7-10% undecideds. Don't want to look too aggressive and you're not going to win those people over by scoring points on what to do with third world countries. Basically, just look 'presidential' and hope the undecideds have had enough of a stalled economy and joblessness.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2012, 11:42:08 PM
Quote
According to the CBS News instapoll Romney won debate one 46 to 22.

According to the same poll, President Obama won this one 53 to 23.

Absolute slaughter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 22, 2012, 11:42:50 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2012, 11:31:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sk1v7.jpg)
 :lol
Beautiful.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 23, 2012, 12:06:22 AM
All the polling so far shows a decisive Obama win, like an inversion of debate one.  Personally I thought the real slaughter was the second debate and that this one was far less interesting for both candidates, but what do I know.  hopefully the win can give Obama just enough of a push to close this thing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 23, 2012, 12:07:28 AM
I hate the binders meme .. but this one cracked me up.

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/430018_320338714740209_1044723720_n.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2012, 12:48:08 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 23, 2012, 12:06:22 AM
All the polling so far shows a decisive Obama win, like an inversion of debate one.  Personally I thought the real slaughter was the second debate and that this one was far less interesting for both candidates, but what do I know.  hopefully the win can give Obama just enough of a push to close this thing.

It's mainly cause Romney looked waaaay more weak, frail and scared in this debate than the last one.



Anyway, the best of the twitters:

(http://i.imgur.com/h8TBM.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2012, 12:52:54 AM
Missed the debate but it doesn't look like I missed much. I'll watch it tomorrow on my dvr.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 01:04:14 AM
Romney's solution to the Iran situation:

Have the UN arrest and try Ahmadinejad for war crimes. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/foreign-policy-debate-obama-romney-boca-raton-third-debate.php?ref=fpblg)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2012, 01:12:13 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 01:04:14 AM
Romney's solution to the Iran situation:

Have the UN arrest and try Ahmadinejad for war crimes. (http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/foreign-policy-debate-obama-romney-boca-raton-third-debate.php?ref=fpblg)

:lol

It fits well with the Simon Says rules lawyering he applies to debate moderators and Benghazi
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2012, 01:41:27 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/22/foreign-policy-presidential-debate

Hmmmm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 23, 2012, 01:41:27 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/22/foreign-policy-presidential-debate

Hmmmm

shocking
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 01:59:46 AM
(https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/22/nrY_6--IgU2RzXjHd1TSKA2.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 02:02:08 AM
Quote from: Greenwald
but I believe in the power of reason, ideas and - especially - persuasion

Funny cause it's wrong, and cause Greenwald is only 50/50 on using reason and persuasion, rather than magical thinking and accusations of bad faith.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2012, 02:07:48 AM
I have been researching the Party for Socialism and Liberation and its members because it fascinates me that a party would put someone who is under the age for presidency eligibility and a foreigner as their presidential candidates. They are fucking insane. I thought it was a socialist party due to the name, but then I went to wikipedia and.... :lol

I googled for PSL criticisms and there's one community of communist sympathisers who are members of the PSL, and they call each other "comrade" :lol and one guy even said he agreed with Mao. :lol  :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2012, 02:13:00 AM
Holy fuck, I am laughing so hard. :rofl

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
I was tuning in and out of the debate, but I'm guessing my suspicion that the Euro crisis wasn't mentioned at all, save for Mitt's jabs at Greece?  I mean sure Middle East posturing and giving Bibi a televised reach-around are important, but maybe a few words about a colossal multi-year crisis that threatens the stability of an entire block of our closest allies would be good for you know, a foreign policy debate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2012, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 23, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
I was tuning in and out of the debate, but I'm guessing my suspicion that the Euro crisis wasn't mentioned at all, save for Mitt's jabs at Greece?  I mean sure Middle East posturing and giving Bibi a televised reach-around are important, but maybe a few words about a colossal multi-year crisis that threatens the stability of an entire block of our closest allies would be good for you know, a foreign policy debate?

Not only that, if the Euro crashes it's gonna have a lot greater effect on our economy than whatever backroom shenanigans the Ministry of Currency Manipulation has planned.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
About half the debate was the Middle East and a little about a China. The other half was domestic issues.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
About half the debate was the Middle East and a little about a China. The other half was domestic issues.

Romney was only being fair: to Barack Hussein Obama, American policy IS foreign policy. :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2012, 12:42:29 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
About half the debate was the Middle East and a little about a China. The other half was domestic issues.

Romney was only being fair: to Barack Hussein Obama, American policy IS foreign policy. :shh
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2012, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 23, 2012, 12:24:31 PM
I was tuning in and out of the debate, but I'm guessing my suspicion that the Euro crisis wasn't mentioned at all, save for Mitt's jabs at Greece?  I mean sure Middle East posturing and giving Bibi a televised reach-around are important, but maybe a few words about a colossal multi-year crisis that threatens the stability of an entire block of our closest allies would be good for you know, a foreign policy debate?

Sorry Steve Contra, I'm pretty sure all Very Serious People have accepted the idea that austerity just gives them a boner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2012, 02:38:19 PM
Tangent- does anyone remember a graph showing the tax rate on top earners vs. median middle class income that was going around a while ago?  Did I hallucinate that?  Someone is wrong on the internet and it's important I make them look stupid.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
What data you need specifically?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 23, 2012, 02:54:42 PM
It's probably important to note that much of the disparity of the rich/poor comes from capital gains (the explosion of property prices and the Dow) and the lessening of the taxes on those gains. Not to mention the shift of executive pay from salary to stock options.

So until that issue is fixed, raising income taxes on the rich is only going to slightly slow down the problem and not correct it.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
What data you need specifically?

I think I remember an awesome graph from about 1980 onward showing income for top earners vs. median middle class income?  Something like that. 

Basically, someone is asserting that "all economic indicators" lead one to the assumption that trickle down economics does, in fact, work for everybody.

It's honestly probably a waste of my time but I'd like to see the figures anyway and my google fu has sucked :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 23, 2012, 04:18:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bQ21A.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 23, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
Sam Wang on the idea of Romney momentum (http://election.princeton.edu/2012/10/23/ro-mentum/).  Feels good man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
Trump is dropping a "bombshell" tomorrow. Twitter suggests it'll be on Michelle allegedly filing for divorce in 2000; a fringe anti-Obama book earlier this year had the same charge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2012, 04:55:21 PM
who fucking cares
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2012, 05:00:20 PM
Obama can't even commit to getting divorced #gingrich2016
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2012, 05:04:27 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/you-decide/who-won-final-presidential-debate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on October 23, 2012, 05:07:14 PM
It's a shock that he won in Aught Eight with this skeleton in his closet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2012, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
Trump is dropping a "bombshell" tomorrow. Twitter suggests it'll be on Michelle allegedly filing for divorce in 2000; a fringe anti-Obama book earlier this year had the same charge

My favorite blogosphere guess is:

—Secret Service agents rarely call 'traveling' on POTUS during White House pickup games. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
Trump is dropping a "bombshell" tomorrow. Twitter suggests it'll be on Michelle allegedly filing for divorce in 2000; a fringe anti-Obama book earlier this year had the same charge

GOP "bombshells" recently have been pretty pathetic, so that would hardly be a surprise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2012, 06:49:22 PM
PD you magnificent bastard

dude is rolling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 23, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
here's the link (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1287) to tonight's presidential debate.  You guys didn't forget, did you?  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 07:31:09 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 23, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
here's the link (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1287) to tonight's presidential debate.  You guys didn't forget, did you?  :smug

I'm sure Himu will be watching attentively, given how serious he is on civil liberties and drug laws
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 23, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
What data you need specifically?

I think I remember an awesome graph from about 1980 onward showing income for top earners vs. median middle class income?  Something like that. 

Basically, someone is asserting that "all economic indicators" lead one to the assumption that trickle down economics does, in fact, work for everybody.

It's honestly probably a waste of my time but I'd like to see the figures anyway and my google fu has sucked :P

Cumulative percent change in income before tax starting in 1980:
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(http://www.econdataus.com/inccha05.jpg)
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Cumulative percent change in income after taxes starting in 1979:
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(http://troglopundit.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/change-in-average-income.jpg) (http://troglopundit.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/a-couple-of-interesting-charts/)
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Cumulative percent change in the share of national income since 1979:
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(http://civilizedconversation.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/change-in-us-income-shares-by-quintile-since-1979.jpg) (http://civilizedconversation.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/more-on-growing-income-inequality/)
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Bar graphs comparing percent change in income for ~30 years after 1979 with the ~30 years before 1979:

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(http://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/change-in-real-family-income-by-quintile-and-top-5-percent-1979-2009.png?4c9b33) (http://inequality.org/income-inequality/)

(http://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/change-in-real-family-income-by-quintile-and-top-5-percent-1947-1979.png?4c9b33) (http://inequality.org/income-inequality/)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2012, 09:40:55 PM
*splooges*

thank you based mandark!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VcrNn8AiWMc/Tq2CavD4Y1I/AAAAAAAABCs/iv07lVmamsE/s1600/Someone+is+wrong+on+internet.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 23, 2012, 09:54:41 PM
If you're missing the debate right now, you are missing the best damn impression of Foghorn Leghorn you've ever heard in your life. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 23, 2012, 08:36:22 PM
Cumulative percent change in income before tax starting in 1980:
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(http://www.econdataus.com/inccha05.jpg)
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Cumulative percent change in income after taxes starting in 1979:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://troglopundit.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/change-in-average-income.jpg) (http://troglopundit.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/a-couple-of-interesting-charts/)
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Cumulative percent change in the share of national income since 1979:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://civilizedconversation.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/change-in-us-income-shares-by-quintile-since-1979.jpg) (http://civilizedconversation.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/more-on-growing-income-inequality/)
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Bar graphs comparing percent change in income for ~30 years after 1979 with the ~30 years before 1979:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/change-in-real-family-income-by-quintile-and-top-5-percent-1979-2009.png?4c9b33) (http://inequality.org/income-inequality/)

(http://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/change-in-real-family-income-by-quintile-and-top-5-percent-1947-1979.png?4c9b33) (http://inequality.org/income-inequality/)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Years later, Mandark remains the one indispensable googler
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2012, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Years later, Mandark remains the one indispensable googler

He's one of the Top 1% of Googlers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2012, 11:33:12 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mourdock-god-work-rape-leads-pregnancy-17549526#.UIdhGIZrip2

Well then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 23, 2012, 11:50:31 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 10:41:54 PM
Years later, Mandark remains the one indispensable googler

Indeed Michelle
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 23, 2012, 11:33:12 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mourdock-god-work-rape-leads-pregnancy-17549526#.UIdhGIZrip2

Well then.

Look, if you're GOP, just don't talk about rape. EVER.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 23, 2012, 11:33:12 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/mourdock-god-work-rape-leads-pregnancy-17549526#.UIdhGIZrip2

Well then.

To make it more hilarious, his democrat opponent co-sponsored the forcible rape bill in the house. Yeah....fuck em both
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 24, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/M0T2c.jpg)

Obama meeting Mitt Romney's grandson.  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
for fellow Cohen friends on facebook...what the FUCK @ that guy commenting on his EU post  :-\

i'm done, don't want to cause a scene
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 12:27:39 AM
I knew who it was before I clicked on it.  :P

If you really want to get him going, start talking about Israel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 12:28:58 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
for fellow Cohen friends on facebook...what the FUCK @ that guy commenting on his EU post  :-\

i'm done, don't want to cause a scene

Same guy who said Israel's "Palestine problem" was solved by building a wall.  I admire/am terrified by his certitude.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:37:41 AM
ohhhh I remember now. That Palestine stuff was just a few months ago iirc

wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 12:43:52 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
Trump is dropping a "bombshell" tomorrow. Twitter suggests it'll be on Michelle allegedly filing for divorce in 2000; a fringe anti-Obama book earlier this year had the same charge

oh god, we wouldn't want the presidency to be tainted by the ruination of marriages sanctity.

next thing you know, you'll tell me that obama puts it in michelle's pooper.

how can the american people vote for such a man?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 12:48:51 AM
You start electing people who have anal sex into office, and soon you get a gay man in office. then a transsexual. then a muslim. then an atheist. barack obama has ruined everything america stands for: successful marriages and vaginal intercourse. With that one decision he alters the course of this nation's future. I want no part in it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 24, 2012, 01:10:05 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 24, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
[img]http://i.imgur.com/M0T2c.jpg[img]

Obama meeting Mitt Romney's grandson.  :-[
"When you get to college your grandad is going to be a mere footnote in your history 101 book."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 24, 2012, 02:57:30 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 24, 2012, 12:13:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/M0T2c.jpg)

Obama bowing to Mitt Romney's grandson.  :piss

Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 03:12:43 AM
I've heard that lowering yourself to a kid's eye level makes them feel good or something. Too bad most children are assholes and don't deserve me hurting my back to talk to them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 03:23:25 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 03:12:43 AM
I've heard that lowering yourself to a kid's eye level makes them feel good or something. Too bad most children are assholes and don't deserve me hurting my back to talk to them

:piss kids :piss2

No coincidence they're just one letter off from aids
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 04:13:49 AM
Triumph, what are you doing? You trying to scare Beezy away from being a father?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2012, 09:47:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdnnETAyGmM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
I haven't watched the third party debate, yet. But I will be voting after I do. Since I live in Tejas, I can vote now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:19:06 PM
Donald Trump :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2012, 12:21:25 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:19:06 PM
Donald Trump :rofl

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 24, 2012, 12:23:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgOq9pBkY0I

more of a bomba-shell
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2012, 12:29:11 PM
Yes, we have very serious questions. Like "What grade did Obama get in Calculus 101?" and "Did he list 'Communist' under Race on his college application?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2012, 12:32:10 PM
Trump will donate the money, then file for bankruptcy again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 12:33:16 PM
We need a sitcom at this point called "That's My GOP!" about an aging southern senator and his team of speechwriters (one of which is his granddaughter).  Every week he'll get get caught ding something stupid like say forgetting he released a racist newsletter, or saying something untowards to rape victims (I anticipate this will be about 50% of the episodes).  Every week his opponent, a short haired female former "softball player" will look like she has the race in her hands, but the episode will end with him giving another half-assed apology cooked up by his granddaughter, and no lessons will be learned, and each episode will end with him sticking his foot in his mouth again, to the laughter of everyone.  His catchphrase will be "this isn't San Francisco young lady" whenever one of his young speechwriters suggests something that would have been edgy in the 1960s.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 12:44:13 PM
Maybe Mandark or PD can answer this, but what is it about Rasmussen's statistical modeling that skews it's results towards the 'pubs?  I could look it up elsewhere, but this is the more interesting option.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 12:44:13 PM
Maybe Mandark or PD can answer this, but what is it about Rasmussen's statistical modeling that skews it's results towards the 'pubs?  I could look it up elsewhere, but this is the more interesting option.

Ras polls are nearly 100% focused on land lines (meaning they don't sample cell users), which heavily leans toward whiter and older voters. They also tend to under sample black and Hispanic turnout. But to be fair, Ras' final November polls tend to be accurate outside of 2010, when he over-estimated republican turnout

If Obama wins this election it'll be mainly because OFA got a shit ton of unlikely and new voters to the polls, be it through early voting or absentee etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 02:00:02 PM
Rasmussen basically plays a shell game every election (except in 2010 like PD noted) where he oversamples Republicans, then a couple weeks closer to the election somehow magically his results start to get more in line with the average.  This way he can always say after the fact, "Hey, were ended up in the margin of error for the final result!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 02:22:37 PM
Researching the Tejas ballot and damn, I like her.

http://www.michelepetty.com/issues

Look at her compare herself to Nathan Hecht. Goddamn, fire. You go girl.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 02:30:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0EW0arzajQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2012, 02:40:39 PM
Quote
PD plays eleventy dimensional chess. Tread carefully.

Kudos, PD.  You're doing a brilliant job over there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 02:54:29 PM
Hmmm...

Went with:

President - Jill Stein (G)
US Senator - Paul Sadler (D)
Railroad Commissioner - Chris Kennedy (G)
Justice, Supreme Court, Place 2 - no one
Justice, Supreme Court, Place 4 - Charles E. Waterbury (G)
Justice, Supreme Court, Place 5 - Michele Pety (D)
Presiding Judge, Court of Appeals - Keith Hampton (D)
Judge, Court of Criminal Appeals, Place 7 - Barbara Hervey (R)
Judge, Court of Criminal Appeals, Place 8 - Elsa Alcala (R)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 02:58:25 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 02:00:02 PM
Rasmussen basically plays a shell game every election (except in 2010 like PD noted) where he oversamples Republicans, then a couple weeks closer to the election somehow magically his results start to get more in line with the average.  This way he can always say after the fact, "Hey, were ended up in the margin of error for the final result!"
I figured this was the case.  I'm also guessing he is somehow aligned with the right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 24, 2012, 02:59:46 PM
My festering misogny causes too much inner turmoil and prevents me from voting for Jill Stein, that's why I'm going for Rocky.

Now I know how Democrats from West Virginia feel. :(

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 03:00:40 PM
Rocky isn't bad, actually.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
I've liked Rocky Anderson for a number of years.  I voted for Obama today, though.  The only 3rd party candidate on the NC ballot was Gary Johnson and I don't vote for Libertarians, plus there's still the off chance my vote may matter.  Romney probably wins the state, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
I've liked Rocky Anderson for a number of years.  I voted for Obama today, though.  The only 3rd party candidate on the NC ballot was Gary Johnson and I don't vote for Libertarians, plus there's still the off chance my vote may matter.  Romney probably wins the state, though.

Was there a line?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 05:25:54 PM
Yeah.  I went during lunch, though.  I had to wait for maybe 30ish minutes or so before I voted.  Line was mostly old people who I could tell were obviously voting Republican, due to how many took "a list of conservative judges" from one of the ladies handing out sample ballots and shit.  I had a fun moment when I first got there; a candidate for one of the judge positions was actually there trying to get votes.  She was a Republican and had worked as a prosecutor for like 15 years or something.  I asked her if she agreed with mandatory minimum sentencing; she said she was "100% for it" and I told her that I wasn't interested in voting for a rubber stamp but rather a judge.  She thanked me for my time and moved down the line. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 05:33:22 PM
When I voted today there was a huge line. Took me about 10-15 minutes to actually vote. Minorities came to vote today, fa sho.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 05:36:28 PM
Also, I'm curious what the ballots for other states look like because Texas' ballot always looks like a goddamn novel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2012, 05:37:48 PM
My absentee ballot from Ohio 8.5 by like 36 inchs.  They folded it 4 or 5 times to fit it in the envelope.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 24, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
I just found out I can vote for Roseanne Barr for president in CA. Since Obama's gonna win the state handily, maybe I should take a chance on the Peace and Love candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 24, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
I wish I lived in a swing state where my presidential vote mattered.  Oh well.  Voting for Jill Stein.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2012, 05:41:06 PM
It's pretty great that I'm still considered an Ohio resident.  This will be the last time I'll be able to swing that though.  Then it's on to being a worthless TN voter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 05:42:49 PM
Well, Mups. Tejas will probably be a swing state in 10 years. At the very least, if Stein reaches 5% of the popular vote (and she is predicted to take 2-4% so ALMOST THERE) the Green Party will receive federal funding in the next general election. So your vote is hardly wasted and is its own contribution.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 05:44:23 PM
The 3rd party candidates ALWAYS poll higher than what they end up getting in the end.  No one is going to hit 5%, and I would be shocked if any of them got 2%.  If anyone does it will be Johnson.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 05:46:47 PM
Johnson is the one who has the biggest pull in terms of name power, it's true.

I'm shocked at how damn  ORGANIZED the libertarians are, btw. Must be that autism. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 05:50:20 PM
Johnson will do decent in NM, and I'm sure Virgil Goode will steal votes from Romney in Virginia (he might even flip the state to Obama). But nationally no third party candidate will get 2-5% as some polls show.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 05:53:09 PM
What about Colorado? :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
Gary Johnson will do well in CO.  And by do well, I mean maybe get 3%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 05:56:55 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 06:45:33 PM
Pretty sure you can get matching funds by meeting certain fundraising criteria as well, without passing the vote threshold.  Johnson's getting matching funds this time, right?

Anyways it doesn't matter that much.  I've heard third party advocates for years talk about 5% and federal funds as if it were an almost magical tipping point, after which support and exposure would just naturally snowball.  Ain't happening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
reality check: most people dont vote for third party candidates because most people do not want third party candidates to represent them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
reality check: most people dont vote for third party candidates because most people do not want third party candidates to represent them

I think it's more that they don't vote third party because they don't even hear of third party view points. Third party view points are kind of censored in the media, and it's pretty much a two man show. Most people don't want third party to represent them how? Your argument falls flat on its face because most anti-third party advocates champion the lesser of two evils argument, automatically means that you're acknowledging that both options are bad, but you're more than willing to let the less bad option represent you. So your representation argument is nonsensical at best.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:01:32 PM
Himu, how long you been closely following politics on the national level?  Real talk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 07:01:59 PM
there's a difference between "censorship" and "not covering candidates no one cares about"

At least Ron Paul has the market share to justify some coverage
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:01:32 PM
Himu, how long you been closely following politics on the national level?  Real talk.

Since 2004 when I could first vote, but I didn't really follow national elections as closely until this election so a lot of these comments are more than likely (and in fact) are steeped in ignorance and wishful thinking. When I was younger, I'd vote straight D on the ballots assuming they kept my interests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
Well uncle Mandark will sit down and explain the birds and bees to you.

Before that, though...

Quote from: Jill Stein's issues page
Bring monetary policy under democratic control by prohibiting private banks from creating money, thus restoring government's Constitutional authority.

Does this mean getting rid of fractional reserve banking?  Dafuq?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
reality check: most people dont vote for third party candidates because most people do not want third party candidates to represent them
This is the truth.  Third parties usually have something going against them that excludes a great majority of people.  Even Ron paul knows this, and ran as a Republican candidate, and even then he garners just a fraction of his own party's vote. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
I don't agree with everything on the Green Party platform. And in fact, find a lot of their stances questionable, particularly their hard on for hate fucking on nuclear as energy, and as the GREEN party, they should know better. That too, what you posted. But it's so unlikely that she'll get voted in, that I look past that. Now, if you want real bonkers, look at Gary Johnson's platform.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 24, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
I don't agree with everything on the Green Party platform.

So you're just voting for the lesser of 4 evils?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:09:07 PM

Quote from: Jill Stein's issues page
Bring monetary policy under democratic control by prohibiting private banks from creating money, thus restoring government's Constitutional authority.

Does this mean getting rid of fractional reserve banking?  Dafuq?
:wtf

I can't parse this either.  If it were a libertarian, I would know what they meant.  But this :wtf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:12:00 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 24, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
I don't agree with everything on the Green Party platform.

So you're just voting for the lesser of 4 evils?

I agree with more on the green platform than the democratic party platform, unfortunately.  :-\  But yes I acknowledge that. I don't think I implied or said that all parties are perfect or not vested in their own interest, because that's politics, and that's life. But when I look at the Democratic party platform, it's definitely not me especially if we're talking foreign policy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:18:28 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 24, 2012, 07:14:32 PM
I agree with more on the green platform than the democratic party platform, unfortunately.  :-\

Which is the same justification people use when voting the lesser of two evils.

Except you're supporting a ticket you don't agree with and isn't electorally viable!  That's certainly a refreshing approach to electoral politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
I'm not sure why you're making such a fuss about it since I live in Texas, and it's not like voting for Obama would have any more impact. Also, I didn't say I disagree with the platform, I agree with the majority of it. I mostly supported Jill Stein with my vote because I just think that having more than two viewpoints is an important asset of electoral politics, and I don't understand why I should be berated for doing so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
You realize you can't argue that your vote was both important for democracy and meaningless, right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 07:26:05 PM
We won't have a third party until we have system that supports coalition government.  We won't have that until never, because coalition governing is just as bad as anything we have here on a good day, and absolutely fucking awful when things go awry.  See Greece for this example, but imagine America trying to pass a multi trillion dollar budget when it would be possible for the Nazi Party of Georgia to take a few seats away.  Seriously, if you want to change shit, trying fighting for campaign finance reform and term limits, don't keep voting for shitty irrelevant parties because you're mad the governing body of the most powerful nation on Earth doesn't agree 100% with you.

Jesus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 24, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
I just think that having more than two viewpoints is an important asset of electoral politics,

please explain why, while remembering that you also argue that most people do not hear what 3rd parties have to say
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
important note for himu about politics: the real way to create change is to build a coalition that gains enough power to pressure one of the parties to begin advocating your policies and (hopefully) eventually pass legislation. making a small group that claims to have all the solutions IF ONLY [insert unrealistic scenario here] has never EVER worked. also voting for what you most believe as opposed to what will most realistically come to pass is L-O-L college-kid-level shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2012, 07:38:12 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
important note for himu about politics: the real way to create change is to build a coalition that gains enough power to pressure one of the parties to begin advocating your policies and (hopefully) eventually pass legislation. making a small group that claims to have all the solutions IF ONLY [insert unrealistic scenario here] has never EVER worked. also voting for what you most believe as opposed to what will most realistically come to pass is L-O-L college-kid-level shit
:bow

See what the Tea Party manged to do in a few short years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 24, 2012, 08:08:09 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
important note for himu about politics: the real way to create change is to build a coalition that gains enough power to pressure one of the parties to begin advocating your policies and (hopefully) eventually pass legislation. making a small group that claims to have all the solutions IF ONLY [insert unrealistic scenario here] has never EVER worked. also voting for what you most believe as opposed to what will most realistically come to pass is L-O-L college-kid-level shit
The truth right here.  I might vote for Jill Stein but if someone asks me who I support I'll say Obama (and I donate to his campaign) because who cares that I support a third party candidate?  It doesn't matter to anyone but me.  But if I lived in a swing state or anywhere else that wasn't so far out of reach for him, I wouldn't be throwing my vote away on a third party candidate. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
important note for himu about politics: the real way to create change is to build a coalition that gains enough power to pressure one of the parties to begin advocating your policies and (hopefully) eventually pass legislation. making a small group that claims to have all the solutions IF ONLY [insert unrealistic scenario here] has never EVER worked. also voting for what you most believe as opposed to what will most realistically come to pass is L-O-L college-kid-level shit

You're preaching to the choir, and I completely agree. You can't change a thing with merely voting. I don't think anyone on this page has indicated you could, either.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
Erhm, he's not preaching to the choir, he's slapping down your argument for greater third party access to the system.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 08:17:24 PM
At this rate Himu will be a LaRouche-ite by February
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 24, 2012, 08:19:36 PM
himu i can introduce you to some cross-dressing anarchists when you make the transition
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 08:23:38 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
Erhm, he's not preaching to the choir, he's slapping down your argument for greater third party access to the system.

He is. Nowhere have I made the argument that wider third party access is the only solution to the two party system.  I don't see how making the statement that Americans deserve a wider access to parties that represent their views more rather than settling is an endorsement for VOTE THIRD PARTY AND WE WILL SEE A REVOLUTION that he so vehemently thinks I'm saying.

Let's just end this here, because assumptions are being made on behalf on both parties (lol) because they're not fitting our own political narrative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Himu just has Green Shinobi Syndrome right now: he's started to care about politics, but he's just gotten passionate about a certain aspect, so he has the zeal of the convert without having much exposure to other ideas or to the realities of the process.  So he's very very sure that something's fucked up about the system, but his naive certainty means that all the jaded folks who have wasted years posting in threads like these are inclined to be sarcastic.

So at some point either someone will be patient with him and explain how things work (what happened with me), or he'll keep getting shit and snap (Green Shinobi), or he'll miraculously improve in the face of constant abuse (PD), or he'll find a new hobby/sexual identity and move on (Himu).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 08:34:38 PM
Well, I don't say this often, but that post actually hurt my feelings.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 24, 2012, 08:36:38 PM
A couple big fat Obama +5 OHIO polls came out today :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 24, 2012, 08:37:30 PM
Mandark:  Shouldn't there be a (Spencer) option in there somewhere?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 08:41:14 PM
Himu: Wasn't trying to be mean.  Just saying you're new to the game and when you start to care and be vocal about this shit there are gonna be growing pains.

Boogie:  I think I've folded Spencer and Green Shinobi into a single goofy, idealistic, drug-using composite character in my mind.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 24, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
The biggest reason why a third party won't work yet is because you need hundreds of millions of dollars to run an effective campaign.  The only real option is the Ross Perot route where you're already loaded and you're self financing your run.  So unless Jill Stein is a multi-billionaire, she's not going to get more than 0.3% of the total national vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 08:45:11 PM
Well, I'm open to taking lumps along the way. I find Spencer/Shinobi too idealistic for my taste, though. Spencer in particular seemed to support Libertarians solely on the legality of drugs. Like, the drug war is a big thing for me as a whole (not just weed) but the main issue?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2012, 09:12:21 PM
Wouldn't a third party President also need to chip away a huge portion of both Democratic and Republican Senators/House members? Because I see them getting even less done with Congress than Obama is right now without that support. Or else they hitch their wagon to one of the two parties and you end up with a situation that's not much different from what we already have.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MIMIC on October 24, 2012, 09:13:47 PM
Obama's coming to my town tomorrow. My mom got tickets....but I can't really bring myself to get excited enough to even go  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 09:17:30 PM
Anyway, thoughts on this

Quote
GRAND RAPIDS, MI – Linking welfare payments to school absences is intended to “take a bite out of generational poverty” through education, according to a state agency.

Starting Monday, parents applying for some welfare benefits through the state Human Services Department will have to prove their children are regularly attending class.

The move is being cheered by school districts, though some advocates say truancy affects families of all incomes and the policy unfairly focuses those who are struggling.

But Human Services Department spokesman Dave Akerly said the goal is to make sure children are getting the education they need.

“We’re trying to take a bite out of generational poverty, and one way to do that is get kids to stay in class and finish school,” he said.

The policy goes into effect on Monday, and affects new applicants others as they work through an annual review. The state has about 60,000 cases, and the average family in the program receives about $468 a month, he said.

Parents must provide a form completed by their schools indicating children are complying with the attendance policy. The state also has a plan for parents who are homeschooling their children.

Akerly said there are provisions for special circumstances, such as an extended sickness.

The state also has plans to embed social workers in some high-need districts “to help families and catch little problems before they turn into big problems,” he said.

Gov. Rick Snyder called for the change in March as part of his special message on public safety, delivered in Flint, one of four cities to get special assistance.

Grand Rapids educators called the new policy “one more tool in our toolbox to help children get the education they need.”

District spokesman John Helmholdt said 21 percent of the district’s students are considered chronically absent.

RELATED: Educators say linking welfare to school attendance could be effective tool against truancy

But advocates for people in need said the policy might be hurt some families without helping solve the overall problems with school attendance.

Judy Putnam, spokeswoman for the Michigan League of Human Services, said there is no doubt that children need to be in school. But she said it’s hard to tell what percentage of chronically absent students come from homes receiving cash assistance.
http://www.mlive.com/education/index.ssf/2012/09/new_michigan_policy_linking_we.html

or the TLDR version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b48fWrvptdU
(unless you want to be pissed off by stupidity, I suggest you turn the video off around the 4:20 mark. That guy is a self hating piece of shit)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2012, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: MIMIC on October 24, 2012, 09:13:47 PM
Obama's coming to my town tomorrow. My mom got tickets....but I can't really bring myself to get excited enough to even go  :-\
#firstworldproblems
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on October 24, 2012, 09:23:42 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ioH5lbRQRygtd.png)

:smug

edit: Can't wait to see what my best friend's dad says after Nov. the 6th.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2012, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 24, 2012, 05:38:03 PM
I just found out I can vote for Roseanne Barr for president in CA. Since Obama's gonna win the state handily, maybe I should take a chance on the Peace and Love candidate.

Don't do it. That last season suuuuuuuuuuuuucked!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 24, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
Voting for Third Parties.  :yuck

I'm as down for the revolution as any other secret communist but America ain't likely to generate a serious third party soon and if it did, I'd have a fear that it would be bankrolled by some single agenda crazy person. Which is not to say that the two major parties aren't currently funded by a number of single agenda crazy people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 11:38:49 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2012, 08:41:14 PM
Himu: Wasn't trying to be mean.  Just saying you're new to the game and when you start to care and be vocal about this shit there are gonna be growing pains.

Yeah.  I might even know someone who voted for Nader... twice.   :-\

On the topic of 3rd parties, I think a lot of people (not necessarily directed at you, Himumu) will say they're a 3rd partier so that a) they can be different or b) they can throw their hands up at the whole thing and say "well I didn't vote for either of these assholes".  I personally know a bunch of libertarians that are basically Republicans but claim to be libertarians because they like weed or whatever.  And, god bless him, I also know a very confused straight edge punk anarchist dude who is a libertarian because RON PAUL. 

This also never gets old.

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/02/25/your-mumia-sweatshirt-wont-get-you-into-heaven-anymore/

Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.

You don’t live there.

Grow the fuck up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!

Dude.  Drops are so much better now.  I got two legendaries in one play session earlier today, and am drowning in quality rings and amulets.  1.0.5 is like finally giving everyone 40 acres and a mule.  REPARATIONS, BITCHES.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!

Dude.  Drops are so much better now.  I got two legendaries in one play session earlier today, and am drowning in quality rings and amulets.  1.0.5 is like finally giving everyone 40 acres and a mule.  REPARATIONS, BITCHES.

I SPENT TWO HOURS AND DIDN'T GET ANYTHING
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 12:02:29 AM
More and more polls keep saying the same thing about Ohio- Obama and Romney are tied for people who haven't voted yet, but Obama is crushing Romney by about 25-30 points among people who've already voted.  If this keeps up I'm feeling way better about shit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!

Dude.  Drops are so much better now.  I got two legendaries in one play session earlier today, and am drowning in quality rings and amulets.  1.0.5 is like finally giving everyone 40 acres and a mule.  REPARATIONS, BITCHES.

I SPENT TWO HOURS AND DIDN'T GET ANYTHING

What's your MF bro? :smug  I've got about 230ish on my gear, 45 from paragon levels and have Monster Power set at 1.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 11:38:49 PM
On the topic of 3rd parties, I think a lot of people (not necessarily directed at you, Himumu) will say they're a 3rd partier so that a) they can be different or b) they can throw their hands up at the whole thing and say "well I didn't vote for either of these assholes".

This is also my problem with people who vote for third parties. It just seems like a way to be a hipster when it comes to politics instead of understanding the nature of power and politics. I mean I get it if somebody just views voting in general as a wasted exercise because both parties are so big tent it makes them take on positions you don't necessarily like or agree with. I find that action almost more morally correct even though it isn't mine instead of voting for people who literally have no chance of effecting things. It's like vote trolling or something. I'm also not a fan of one issue voters generally speaking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2012, 12:10:14 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!

Dude.  Drops are so much better now.  I got two legendaries in one play session earlier today, and am drowning in quality rings and amulets.  1.0.5 is like finally giving everyone 40 acres and a mule.  REPARATIONS, BITCHES.

I SPENT TWO HOURS AND DIDN'T GET ANYTHING

What's your MF bro? :smug  I've got about 230ish on my gear, 45 from paragon levels and have Monster Power set at 1.

Not particularly high, maybe 80 with everything maxed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 12:19:35 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 24, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!

Dude.  Drops are so much better now.  I got two legendaries in one play session earlier today, and am drowning in quality rings and amulets.  1.0.5 is like finally giving everyone 40 acres and a mule.  REPARATIONS, BITCHES.

nah bro I was making fun of the "diablo 3 graphix looks like MLP fairy land" meme :fbm

Now I had to explain myself dammit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 25, 2012, 12:21:58 AM
That moment when you find out your entire family is voting for a different presidential candidate than you.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 12:23:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1C453KwDzY

(http://imageshack.us/a/img692/3148/whew.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 25, 2012, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 12:02:29 AM
More and more polls keep saying the same thing about Ohio- Obama and Romney are tied for people who haven't voted yet, but Obama is crushing Romney by about 25-30 points among people who've already voted.  If this keeps up I'm feeling way better about shit.

the record will show that I have long put my faith in Ohio's TACHYON-BASED TIME TRAVEL VOTES, absolved total
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 25, 2012, 12:27:24 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 12:23:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1C453KwDzY

(http://imageshack.us/a/img692/3148/whew.png)

:lenowned
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2012, 12:32:35 AM
goddamn I love those obama smileys
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2012, 12:39:10 AM
When does Conan get the Presidential candidates on his show?


 :smug


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2012, 12:39:10 AM
When does Conan get the Presidential candidates on his show?


 :smug

Jill Stein isn't doing much.  Well, she might be in jail occasionally but other than that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 25, 2012, 01:27:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 12:42:57 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 25, 2012, 12:39:10 AM
When does Conan get the Presidential candidates on his show?


 :smug

Jill Stein isn't doing much.  Well, she might be in jail occasionally but other than that.

I think they normally just use a staffer to fill the Masterbating Bear suit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 25, 2012, 01:31:34 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 12:02:29 AM
More and more polls keep saying the same thing about Ohio- Obama and Romney are tied for people who haven't voted yet, but Obama is crushing Romney by about 25-30 points among people who've already voted.  If this keeps up I'm feeling way better about shit.

Best of both worlds - keep it tied and maintain a sense of urgency while still having a hard to overtake lead
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 02:16:34 AM
This is like the first time I've seen Leno in ages. Is he always this much of a cheerleader? He's like the white Funkmaster Flex  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 25, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
Quote
Cincinnati Enquirer: "A new Ohio program intended to make voting easier could keep the presidential election in doubt until late November if the national outcome hinges on the state's 18 electoral votes."
"Under Secretary of State Jon Husted's initiative to send absentee ballot applications to nearly 7 million registered voters across Ohio, more than 800,000 people so far have asked for but not yet completed an absentee ballot for the Nov. 6 election. Anyone who does not return an absentee ballot, deciding instead to vote at the polls, will be required to cast a provisional ballot. That's so officials may verify that they did not vote absentee and also show up at the polls."

"By state law, provisional ballots may not be counted until at least Nov. 17. That means if Ohio's electoral votes would be decisive in the race between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the state could keep the nation in suspense for several weeks after the election."

I know what scenario I am rooting for.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
Sounds like Diablo 3 to me!

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 25, 2012, 11:41:25 AM
Perhaps it's because I live in a rural area, but I don't get why so many people are voting by mail.  If you want to vote early why not go directly to your board of elections if you are able?  It just seems potentially troublesome to have unprecedented numbers of people send in a request for an absentee ballot, wait for it to be to be delivered, fill it out and then mail it back in time to be counted.  I'm expecting to see more and more nervous people on the internet who haven't received their ballot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 11:45:34 AM
People are doing absentee ballots because of Romney voting fraud corruption.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on October 25, 2012, 11:46:19 AM
Quote from: Yeti on October 25, 2012, 12:21:58 AM
That moment when you find out your entire family is voting for a different presidential candidate than you.  :-\

why the fuck are you voting for romney?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 12:15:04 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 25, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
Quote
Cincinnati Enquirer: "A new Ohio program intended to make voting easier could keep the presidential election in doubt until late November if the national outcome hinges on the state's 18 electoral votes."
"Under Secretary of State Jon Husted's initiative to send absentee ballot applications to nearly 7 million registered voters across Ohio, more than 800,000 people so far have asked for but not yet completed an absentee ballot for the Nov. 6 election. Anyone who does not return an absentee ballot, deciding instead to vote at the polls, will be required to cast a provisional ballot. That's so officials may verify that they did not vote absentee and also show up at the polls."

"By state law, provisional ballots may not be counted until at least Nov. 17. That means if Ohio's electoral votes would be decisive in the race between President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the state could keep the nation in suspense for several weeks after the election."

I know what scenario I am rooting for.

Brooks Brothers Riot II: Electric Bugaloo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 12:24:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-mean-if-i-lose-to-mitt-romney-ill-probably-kill,30092/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

Sounds about right.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 25, 2012, 12:34:59 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 12:24:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-mean-if-i-lose-to-mitt-romney-ill-probably-kill,30092/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

Sounds about right.

"one for Bo"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 25, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
What do you all think of Gary Johnston? Was reading his policies after my date last nite (yes the bioware fangirl from the TV show) mentioned she was a supporter. Seems like he's got most of Paul's good ideas with a lot less of the craziness inherent... though I can't really vote for anyone who wants to axe military R&D so much...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 01:36:38 PM
Gary Johnson wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the Department of Education.

All you need to know.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 25, 2012, 01:47:33 PM
Most libertarian domestic policies seem toxic and only possible in imaginary, idealized worlds.

She sounds fun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 25, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LIDvC.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 02:53:06 PM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/677444377.jpg?key=1000666&Expires=1351191992&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=WrQOvZ6mG7Ih29tDhW00cheSLOunhtQYgxOEb2IE534Ka6ePEvOtHe78F5l4~xFVikSb8fGJMqqRPdOfgXx5jXUz4qHaJjXgHMGszH5aRO0LcRyRxNwqdumIqcr-kdcVvDd~nKjaZYegcH2~Ly1wYgxyVjDPndxxkrwIGh3WE4M_)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
Bams up quite a bit in Wisconsin, holds a steady lead in Iowa as well according to PPP.

Oh, and also according to them, NC is TIED now.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7718/obamax.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 25, 2012, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 02:53:06 PM
(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/full/677444377.jpg?key=1000666&Expires=1351191992&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=WrQOvZ6mG7Ih29tDhW00cheSLOunhtQYgxOEb2IE534Ka6ePEvOtHe78F5l4~xFVikSb8fGJMqqRPdOfgXx5jXUz4qHaJjXgHMGszH5aRO0LcRyRxNwqdumIqcr-kdcVvDd~nKjaZYegcH2~Ly1wYgxyVjDPndxxkrwIGh3WE4M_)

(http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7718/obamax.png)

broken
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 25, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
Bams up quite a bit in Wisconsin, holds a steady lead in Iowa as well according to PPP.

Oh, and also according to them, NC is TIED now.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7718/obamax.png)

ppp leans democratic... they're kind of the yin to rasmussen's yang.  I would discount NC going to Obama this cycle, probably not going to happen.  The other stuff is good news, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2012, 04:22:59 PM
Hasn't Nate Silver said PPP had a slight republican lean in 08, whereas Ras has a 1-2% lean
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2012, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 04:07:10 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 25, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
Bams up quite a bit in Wisconsin, holds a steady lead in Iowa as well according to PPP.

Oh, and also according to them, NC is TIED now.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7718/obamax.png)

ppp leans democratic... they're kind of the yin to rasmussen's yang.  I would discount NC going to Obama this cycle, probably not going to happen.  The other stuff is good news, though.

erm not really.  as per silver they have a .5 lean dem.

Also from PPP today: 51-47 Obama in Colorade.  hnnnnnnnng
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 25, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
the Ohio provisional ballot stuff is pretty annoying.  Hopefully the amount of people asking for a provisional ballet is negligible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 25, 2012, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 25, 2012, 04:42:47 PM
the Ohio provisional ballot stuff is pretty annoying.  Hopefully the amount of people asking for a provisional ballet is negligible.

Hopefully Obama wins NH, VA, NV and no one gives a fuck about Ohio
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 25, 2012, 05:48:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0OomdFloKI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2012, 06:03:18 PM
I'd definitely vote for a man who understands the value of a good corn dog.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
So one of my pro-choice, uber feminist co-workers says she's worried that Romney may reverse Roe v. Wade if he becomes president, but is thinking about voting for him anyway cause she thinks he'll be better with the economy on account of him being a businessman.

We all got our priorities, I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 25, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
she aint much of a feminist if she's voting repub, thats for sure
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2012, 08:06:52 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 25, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
So one of my pro-choice, uber feminist co-workers says she's worried that Romney may reverse Roe v. Wade if he becomes president, but is thinking about voting for him anyway cause she thinks he'll be better with the economy on account of him being a businessman.

We all got our priorities, I guess.


adklglkasdghsdiohgosuidhohdlkjklsdjklghlkahjhudfhjkvnjniuohbrwuibgabugibkabg

FUCK THIS GAY EARTH, I'M OUT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 25, 2012, 08:27:31 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 25, 2012, 08:06:52 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 25, 2012, 06:11:25 PM
So one of my pro-choice, uber feminist co-workers says she's worried that Romney may reverse Roe v. Wade if he becomes president, but is thinking about voting for him anyway cause she thinks he'll be better with the economy on account of him being a businessman.

We all got our priorities, I guess.


adklglkasdghsdiohgosuidhohdlkjklsdjklghlkahjhudfhjkvnjniuohbrwuibgabugibkabg

FUCK THIS GAY EARTH, I'M OUT

"when the economy improves, it will be easier than ever to afford a trip to Mexico!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 09:09:19 PM
When the economy improves she'll be able to afford a move to Saudi Arabia where they'll have a far more progressive women's rights movement (in comparison to America) after the presidency of Mitt Romney!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 25, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2012, 09:09:19 PM
When the economy improves she'll be able to afford a move to Saudi Arabia where they'll have a far more progressive women's rights movement (in comparison to America) after the presidency of Mitt Romney!

But only if a male relative drives her to the airport to board the plane to Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 25, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 25, 2012, 09:09:19 PM
When the economy improves she'll be able to afford a move to Saudi Arabia where they'll have a far more progressive women's rights movement (in comparison to America) after the presidency of Mitt Romney!

Don't put me in the position of having to defend Mitt Romney Himu, jeez.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2012, 01:02:37 AM
Quote
   
 Rolling Stone: Have you ever read Ayn Rand?

Obama: Sure.

RS: What do you think Paul Ryan's obsession with her work would mean if he were vice president?

O: Well, you'd have to ask Paul Ryan what that means to him. Ayn Rand is one of those things that a lot of us, when we were 17 or 18 and feeling misunderstood, we'd pick up. Then, as we get older, we realize that a world in which we're only thinking about ourselves and not thinking about anybody else, in which we're considering the entire project of developing ourselves as more important than our relationships to other people and making sure that everybody else has opportunity – that that's a pretty narrow vision.

It's not one that, I think, describes what's best in America. Unfortunately, it does seem as if sometimes that vision of a "you're on your own" society has consumed a big chunk of the Republican Party.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obama-and-the-road-ahead-the-rolling-stone-interview-20121025?print=true

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/126331_o.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2012, 04:35:32 AM
One really encouraging thing from the past couple of weeks has been Elizabeth Warren pretty much (hopefully) locking up her election.  It's just really weird and borderline offensive to have a Republican himbo in Teddy's seat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 04:47:11 AM
um.

lol.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mchftfx93K1qh3c8co1_1280.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2012, 07:27:43 AM
Michigan ramblings: I can't figure out Proposal 6 because of the definition of "international bridges and tunnels" though I'm leaning towards it just because of any clusterfuck potential. But I hate the people for it and against it. (Not that I need to vote for it but I spent a lot of time trying to figure out if that provision actually is an issue or was just No folks FUD.)

Gary is a viable write-in because they got the signatures. I know nobody here wants to, but just in case it's mark the bubble and then Gary Johnson above James P. Gray like the on-ballot candidates. Still sucks that Boman (http://www.boman12.org/images/Gary_Johnson_and_Scotty_Boman.jpg) is the ballot status candidate. Maybe I'll vote for Rocky to help keep Natural Law on the ballot, he was solid in the "debate" and everyone wants the party off the ballot.

Just because I looked into it and we have some Michigan folks, here are the actual parties of the Supreme Court candidates:
Democrat: Connie Marie Kelley*, Bridget Mary McCormack*
Republican: Stephen Markman*, Colleen O'Brien
Libertarian: Kerry Morgan, Bob Roddis (I think, he might be Cons/Taxpayers but he's a Ron Paulite in either case, his website is barely about being a judge/justice and just a rant about fiat money)
Natural Law: Doug Dern

Democrat: Sheila Johnson
Republican: Brian Zahra*
Taxpayers: Mindy Barry (http://mindybarryformichigansupremecourt.com/-Fake__Candidate_.html) (Constitution Party in every other state)

*=supported by the police union

Oh, and if you aren't aware, you can go to http://michigan.gov/vote and type in your info and it'll give you a sample ballot with links to websites/fundraising info and all your local millage, candidates and crap. Can print it out and such. Michigan is one of the better states at this.

Speaking of that third party "debate", I went back to see if you guys had mentioned it since I haven't been around for a while and in case anyone wants to see it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EcaX12h46k
Actual "debate" starts like an hour and five minutes in. Larry King forgot they were supposed to make opening statements, so those happen after the first question.

If anyone figures out why he has two mugs and a glass of water...

This is the Libertarian candidate for Senate in Maine:
(http://dodgeforsenate.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/CanDodgepicsmall1-300x296.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvM5iIJ_vZ4
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqqIUfF_rGU
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2012, 07:35:00 AM
This is also a good site if anyone hasn't seen it, especially on ballot proposals/measures/etc.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

I have some friends whose states didn't have good info or hid it behind shit, but you can get basic info and often links from this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 26, 2012, 08:31:51 AM
Bloomberg: "It would take about 80 days of nonstop viewing to see all 58,235 of the typically 30-second Ohio presidential advertisements that have aired in the last month."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-26/ohio-sees-enough-campaign-ads-to-air-nonstop-for-80-days.html


Its .. almost .. over.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2012, 08:35:44 AM
I've only seen two or three Presidential ads, all Obama, all at 3AM during Red Eye on Faux.

But the proposal ads, dear god. I almost want to vote for whoever the GOP dope is just because Wigglesworth keeps showing up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 26, 2012, 03:54:27 PM
Quote
Current TV, the ratings-challenged cable network started by former Vice President Al Gore, has put itself up for sale, the New York Post reports

King of All Media :bow


Poor Al, another transaction that won't end with a happy ending.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2012, 03:56:32 PM
Al Gore is too busy being Emperor of the Moon to deal with petty earth TV.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
I wonder how Current TV would have done under a prolonged republican administration. It would have been funny watching them go crazy over President McCain's drone strikes and kill lists, lamenting if only Obama had won he could have dismantled the secret wars
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 26, 2012, 04:13:45 PM
I like a lot of the documentary programming Current shows.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2012, 04:51:52 PM
Because we don't have an OT for Italian legal verdicts...

Silvio Berlusconi sentenced to four years for tax evasion. (http://www.businessinsider.com/italian-seismologists-six-years-prison-2012-10)

Six Italian seismologists sentenced six years for failing to predict a 2009 quake. (http://)


Some extra wtf for that second one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 05:33:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6KIMaLCAAA4ye8.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 26, 2012, 06:04:06 PM
Topping the charts at #2... (http://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/723.html) is Mitt Romney!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2012, 06:05:12 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 05:33:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6KIMaLCAAA4ye8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/xkJuD.jpg)

"MARGIN OF ERROR! MARGIN OF ERROR! BWAAGHK!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 26, 2012, 07:39:37 PM
As a left-leaning voter I know fox news guys are supposed to be disturbing, but I find wolf blitzer the most awful newscaster.  Everything he says and does comes across as brain dead.  Like, I can understand working for an organization like CNN and slanting everything towards the center because that's what the people with the money told you to do, but at least have some self-awareness about it. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 26, 2012, 07:43:51 PM
I have a statistician friend who dies a little every time margin of error shows a tie when they have weeks of corroborating data showing that the margin of error isn't actually there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46iwLIF1Fo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 26, 2012, 08:26:06 PM
Obama has been ahead in EV at every point during the election - but it's possible all those votes are wrong. In the same direction. Forever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 08:31:30 PM
Early voting starts in Florida tomorrow. I'll either drag my ass down there tomorrow or Monday.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2012, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46iwLIF1Fo

Better than the actual debate. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 26, 2012, 08:39:02 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46iwLIF1Fo

Better than the actual debate. :lol

 :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 08:58:27 PM
My favorite part was the scene with John McCain. :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2012, 09:17:33 PM
Quote from: Green Man on October 26, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
What the fuck happened to Conan? Why is he so orange?

Quote from: http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/10/26/conan-obrien-shows-off-perfect-10-look-with-dreads-video/
He made a promise to fans last week during the Night of Too Many Stars telethon to don dreads in return for donations to autism research. So it was a win-win deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
Would you rather have your country back or some baby back?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2012, 09:34:08 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 26, 2012, 08:26:06 PM
Obama has been ahead in EV at every point during the election - but it's possible all those votes are wrong. In the same direction. Forever.

(http://i.imgur.com/GJggc.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/do5bp.jpg)
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-far-left-turns-to-nate-silver-for-wisdom-on-the-polls?cid=db_articles
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2012, 09:40:07 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2012, 09:34:08 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-far-left-turns-to-nate-silver-for-wisdom-on-the-polls?cid=db_articles

Quote
Nate Silver is a man of very small stature, a thin and effeminate man with a soft-sounding voice that sounds almost exactly like the “Mr. New Castrati” voice used by Rush Limbaugh on his program. In fact, Silver could easily be the poster child for the New Castrati in both image and sound.

Haha, I can't believe it took almost four paragraphs to get to "Well, he's a total fag, so his predictions must be wrong."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2012, 09:44:40 PM
Just look at this smarmy poof:

(http://i.imgur.com/21tPG.jpg)

What a total fairy. Now, get a big, honking look at a REAL man:

(http://i.imgur.com/9uteC.jpg)

Oh my, I think I'm getting the vapors!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2012, 09:52:18 PM
Oh God, scroll down and read Chambers' reply to the beating he's taking in FB comments.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2012, 09:57:01 PM
After looking at Mr. Chambers' facebook I'm starting to wonder if he's the ultimate troll. His favorite books are the Bible and Green Eggs & Ham. His interests also include working out, cooking, and "health and wellness." This can't be real :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2012, 10:22:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 26, 2012, 09:52:18 PM
Oh God, scroll down and read Chambers' reply to the beating he's taking in FB comments.

Quote
Dean Chambers successfully predicted he'd eat 83% of the Halloween candy in that giant bowl on his hall stand before the first trick-or-treater knocked on the door.

(http://i.imgur.com/hYbqT.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 26, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46iwLIF1Fo

*not available in your country*

Fuck you, youtube.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 27, 2012, 12:16:08 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 26, 2012, 04:35:32 AM
One really encouraging thing from the past couple of weeks has been Elizabeth Warren pretty much (hopefully) locking up her election.  It's just really weird and borderline offensive to have a Republican himbo in Teddy's seat.
Maybe it'll be a good thing that Brown beat Martha Coakley if the end result is Warren being in the Senate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2012, 12:40:34 AM
Quote from: Boogie on October 26, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I46iwLIF1Fo

*not available in your country*

Fuck you, youtube.

First poutine, now this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 27, 2012, 02:50:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HwjR0.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2012, 02:56:12 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 27, 2012, 02:50:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HwjR0.png)

(http://i50.tinypic.com/a0yqua.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2012, 11:19:40 AM
I really hope that Obama doesn't win the electoral college but not the popular vote, because that would basically be the worst possible outcome.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 27, 2012, 02:41:54 PM
I made Freedom Count. I Voted early.

says my sticker


Decent turnout out where I went to vote. In fact I almost drove off when I saw the line but said fuck it since I was already there and just waited and voted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2012, 11:19:40 AM
I really hope that Obama doesn't win the electoral college but not the popular vote, because that would basically be the worst possible outcome.  :-\

Bill Maher was cheering for this last night, and GAF is full of posters who want the same thing. People are going to get mad no matter what if Obama wins, but it'll be worse if if loves the PV but wins because of the EV. I don't want to see that, period.

It could happen if the south votes at the rate Gallup suggests, but if not then Obama should win the PV by at least 1%. And if the polls are accurate, he'll win the EV by a good margin.

The thing that really annoys/concerns me is the right's focus on national polling, and how the media is playing along. Given Gallup's sample methodology (whiter, older voters and a heavy weighing of southern voters) it's very likely that Obama will be losing in the final Gallup poll next month. If he wins the election due to taking states that actually matter (Ohio, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin) there are going to be a lot of republicans who will claim the election was stolen, and I feel like the media has already set the ground work for them. Even in 08 you didn't see many people outright argue Obama stole the election due to fraud/ACORN; Fox, elected officials, etc were outraged over ACORN, but I don't remember many people definitively stating Obama didn't actually win. It'll be very interesting to see what mainstream elected republicans say if Obama wins despite national polls showing him down. I'm sure there will always be tea party types to claim fraud, but I'm talking about the Cantors, Boehners, McCains, etc

Erick Erickson is 100% convinced Romney will win, and all he talks about is national polls. I really get the impression a lot of these people know Romney is probably fucked, and are really just setting the stage for the next big (lucrative) outrage story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 27, 2012, 03:29:18 PM
On the one hand, I think the poll aggregate sites (538, Votomatic, etc.) are making it clear just how terrible the media has been at giving people a realistic expectation of what will happen on election day.  They've likely always been this bad about it, but it's only becoming clear right now because of the emergence of these aggregate sites.  It's a great example of why there is such a pronounced distrust of the media in the first place.  The larger picture goes completely unconveyed because LATEST POLL SHOWS BIG ROMNEY LEAD might grab more attention in a daily cycle.  And when the disconnect between reality and these reports become apparent the distrust will be projected on to the winning administration more than the reporters and pundits.  My hope is that when the aggregate sites are proven right over a long period of time they start to actually take the mantal of standard-bearer for election reporting.     
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2012, 04:10:37 PM
I doubt it though. The media was predicting a close election well into October 2008 too. A close "dead heat" election is perceived to keep voters interested more than a blowout, so we'll probably never see the news reflect reality. Back in 2008 the only person I remember who was constantly discussing "the math" was Chuck Todd, and of course now he has morphed into the ultimate Beltway clown. To make matters worse, there seems to be an impression that being too confident on one side winning, even if evidence backs you up=not being fair and  balanced.

The problem with aggregates from a news perspective is that they never produce breaking news. A Gallup poll showing a 6 point Romney lead provides the news media folks prefer, and it's much easier to turn into a sexy healine than "Aggregate of Poll Date Suggests Persistent Obama Lead."

And of course, whenever Nate Silver goes on tv he's quite nerdy and mouth breathy, which isn't nearly as exciting to viewers as just getting a couple loud people to feign confidence. I gotta say, this whole "Romney momentum" thing has been an embarrassment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 27, 2012, 04:15:44 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/health/us-to-sponsor-health-insurance-plans-nationwide.html

Quote
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will soon take on a new role as the sponsor of at least two nationwide health insurance plans to be operated under contract with the federal government and offered to consumers in every state.

....

The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees.

...

Robert E. Moffit, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said he worried that “the nationwide health plans, operating under terms and conditions set by the federal government, will become the robust public option that liberals always wanted.”


waaaahhh?!  This seems kind of too good to be true.  Can someone smarter than me explain why this actually is not as awesome as it sounds? (this question excludes all Libertarian explanations)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2012, 04:41:59 PM
Hold on, what the fuck? That's basically a public option, and positioned to go in effect right as the private insurance exchanges open up; in short, it's a pretty blatant cost control/competition threat for insurances. I could be misreading all this but...seriously, how did everyone miss this for two years?

I can certainly understand why the administration didn't talk about this - can anyone imagine Ben Nelson and company voting for something like that?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on October 27, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2012, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2012, 11:19:40 AM
I really hope that Obama doesn't win the electoral college but not the popular vote, because that would basically be the worst possible outcome.  :-\

Bill Maher was cheering for this last night, and GAF is full of posters who want the same thing. People are going to get mad no matter what if Obama wins, but it'll be worse if if loves the PV but wins because of the EV. I don't want to see that, period.
While I've been annoyed by Romney's dash to the center late in the election season, I do sincerely hope that the GOP moves away from the extreme right in the coming years.  Any positive change in the GOP will be delayed or prevented by a pv/ec that re-elects Obama.  Nobody should be hoping for this. 

If it does happen, liberals should be assertive about Obama's right to be president but avoid the desire to rub the outcome into Republican noses.  Save the snide comments for the confines of secretive liberal cabals where middle America can't hear you. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2012, 06:48:36 PM
I agree. Any desire to make politics more gridlocked is just as bad the far right IMO. I assume most people who are passionate about politics, no matter what ideology just want to make the world better. I hope they do at least.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2012, 11:55:42 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/reality-vs-liberal-fantasy-world-the-presidential-polling?cid=db_articles
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2012, 01:07:07 AM
From XBL:

Which candidate is more truthful about his policies?

Male:

Barack Obama - 42.4%
Mitt Romney - 52.3%
Not sure - 5.3%

Female:

Barack Obama - 61.6%
Mitt Romney - 35.5%
Not sure - 2.9%

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2012, 01:27:48 AM
DAT WHITE MALE VOTE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 28, 2012, 03:38:19 AM
oh shit, one of my normally-quiet religious cousins just made a facebook post talking about how powerful obama's america 2016 is and how it seemed impossible to refute all the evidence in the film

god grant me the strength to resist temptation to troll
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 28, 2012, 03:45:26 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 26, 2012, 04:35:32 AM
One really encouraging thing from the past couple of weeks has been Elizabeth Warren pretty much (hopefully) locking up her election.  It's just really weird and borderline offensive to have a Republican himbo in Teddy's seat.
Oh my fucking god dude I live where she's running. There's an ad for the incumbent literally every break on TV here and I can't browse the web for five minutes without seeing his face. Cannot wait to vote that guy out. NOT MY SENATOR :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 28, 2012, 06:48:23 AM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 28, 2012, 01:07:07 AM
From XBL:

Which candidate is more truthful about his policies?

Male:

Barack Obama - 42.4%
Mitt Romney - 52.3%
Not sure - 5.3%

Female:

Barack Obama - 61.6%
Mitt Romney - 35.5%
Not sure - 2.9%

 :-\

Good thing halo comes out on election day I guess.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2012, 07:07:36 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 27, 2012, 04:15:44 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/health/us-to-sponsor-health-insurance-plans-nationwide.html

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will soon take on a new role as the sponsor of at least two nationwide health insurance plans to be operated under contract with the federal government and offered to consumers in every state.

....

The national plans will compete directly with other private insurers and may have some significant advantages, including a federal seal of approval. Premiums and benefits for the multistate insurance plans will be negotiated by the United States Office of Personnel Management, the agency that arranges health benefits for federal employees.

...

Robert E. Moffit, a senior fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said he worried that “the nationwide health plans, operating under terms and conditions set by the federal government, will become the robust public option that liberals always wanted.”


waaaahhh?!  This seems kind of too good to be true.  Can someone smarter than me explain why this actually is not as awesome as it sounds? (this question excludes all Libertarian explanations)

Just wait til the genocide provision kicks in in 2015 and all the Tea Partiers'll go "told you soooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
yeah can someone explain this health care thing for me?  is this being viewed as a good thing or bad thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2012, 04:30:15 PM
um

the healthcare thing

holy shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2012, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 28, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
yeah can someone explain this health care thing for me?  is this being viewed as a good thing or bad thing?

Looks like it's actually apart of the deal that killed the actual public option

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The Congressional Budget Office (analysis; blog summary) estimates that Reid's "manager's amendment" (text, brief summary) would add $2 billion in budget savings to the $130 billion it earlier projected over a 10-year period. (This estimate does not take into account the cost of other amendments added to the bill.) CBO says the manager's amendment's effect on average premiums should be "quite similar" to what it calculated earlier—i.e., virtually no impact on employer-provided health insurance and an increase in the cost of nongroup policies that's more than offset by new government subsidies for the majority of purchasers. The White House is pleased.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/prescriptions/2009/12/sixty.html

Pretty ironic that we're going crazy over something that ultimately killed the public option. I think the shocker is that this seems a lot more robust than what was reported on at the time in 2010. It seems like a smaller version of the public option, aimed at multiple states. No wonder the administration has seemingly kept quiet about it.

I can't wait for this to go into effect, alongside the exchanges. This may not be The public option, but it will certainly offer a noteworthy level of competition to private insurances and has the potential to lower premiums.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 29, 2012, 08:27:02 AM
Why do people want to make voting easier again?

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In a recent YouGov poll, I asked participants about their views on abortion policy and what position they thought Obama, Romney, the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party took on abortion. Only about 60% of respondents knew that Obama and the Democrats supported more pro-choice policies than Romney and Republicans. Given that the parties have had clear and long-standing positions on this issue, it's astonishing that 40% of Americans don't know this basic fact (other surveys find even higher levels of ignorance).

http://today.yougov.com/news/2012/10/24/informed-voters-should-see-psychiatrists/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2012, 11:14:44 AM
Not related to Toxic Adam's post but the scare tactics and the cut down on the voting days in Florida are some of the truly disgusting political acts in my lifetime. Also I took my nephew to register to vote about a week or two before the deadline and he still hasn't gotten his voter stuff yet so there is a chance he may not be able to vote. Very annoying. That's more a bureaucratic foul up but still I find the whole thing pretty disgusting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 05:40:38 PM
Now the Beltway media has joined the anti Nate Silver game
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/nate-silver-romney-clearly-could-still-win-147618.html
 :lol

I think Ezra Klein hit the nail on the head:
Quote
Ezra Klein ‏@ezraklein
A subtext of journalistic resentment of Silver is that if punditry is based in numbers, journalists who don't know numbers are less valuable
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2012, 05:49:03 PM
oh just fuck the media, good christ.  the ONE VOICE OF HONESTY in this election (silver) is getting tarnished in the media because of an awful "bububu DEAD HEAT" narrative.

I can't wait until he is inevitably correct by being only one state off again.  dude's gonna get such a great reach-around that night
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2012, 05:49:48 PM
"Some in the media are suggesting that Nate Silver is overrated."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 05:40:38 PM
Now the Beltway media has joined the anti Nate Silver game
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/10/nate-silver-romney-clearly-could-still-win-147618.html
 :lol

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"Nate Silver says this is a 73.6 percent chance that the president is going to win? Nobody in that campaign thinks they have a 73 percent chance — they think they have a 50.1 percent chance of winning. And you talk to the Romney people, it's the same thing," Scarborough said. "Both sides understand that it is close, and it could go either way.

uhhhhh 73% does in fact mean it could go either way. if it couldn't that would be 100%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 05:58:59 PM
It's worth noting that Sam Wang of the Princeton Election Consortium has Obama's chances around 92-97%, and he was more accurate than Silver in 2008 and 2010; he also called 2004 correctly.

We're just seeing a lot of journalists who don't understand how stats work. And I think it backs up my point that we'll never see the media focus on aggregates because their stability kills the "breaking news" hook most television news channels rely on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2012, 06:25:18 PM
"Romney, clearly could still win."

"Boy, if Romney wins your credibility will be shot!"

:duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
conserva-friend on facebook:

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So no one thinks Nate Silver is likely being bashed because his formula is the only one that shows Barack winning the popular vote as of right now? I mean Real Clear Politics, Gallup, and Rassmussen all have Mitt ahead, doesn't that seem a bit unusual?

HERP.  HE'S NOT A POLLSTER
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
If Obama wins there are gonna be a lot of people saying "bubububu national polls! horse race!" Chalk this up as another case of the media not actually doing any reporting

of course, there will plenty of voter fraud charges too. Just watch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2012, 06:40:52 PM
when obama wins and husted is labeled anything other than a complete fuckass, I'll be enraged.  if the right somewhere tries to look at him and say "see!  that's what we need to do herr durr..." ugh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
They'll just decide they need to get an earlier start on voter discrimination laws next time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
If Obama wins there are gonna be a lot of people saying "bubububu national polls! horse race!" Chalk this up as another case of the media not actually doing any reporting

of course, there will plenty of voter fraud charges too. Just watch

Wonder what will be this cycle's ACORN and New Black Panther party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 08:07:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 29, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
If Obama wins there are gonna be a lot of people saying "bubububu national polls! horse race!" Chalk this up as another case of the media not actually doing any reporting

of course, there will plenty of voter fraud charges too. Just watch

Wonder what will be this cycle's ACORN and New Black Panther party.

I'm guessing "black churches." What's wrong with just a plain-old "church"?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2012, 08:09:21 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 08:07:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 29, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
If Obama wins there are gonna be a lot of people saying "bubububu national polls! horse race!" Chalk this up as another case of the media not actually doing any reporting

of course, there will plenty of voter fraud charges too. Just watch

Wonder what will be this cycle's ACORN and New Black Panther party.

I'm guessing "black churches." What's wrong with just a plain-old "church"?

I mean, why'd we bother to end segregation if those people aren't going to integrate churches?  :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 08:11:30 PM
It's illegal for churches to stump for a candidate and keep their tax-free status... but I think we both know who "black" churches support.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
Black people are the real racists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 29, 2012, 09:01:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 05:58:59 PM
It's worth noting that Sam Wang of the Princeton Election Consortium has Obama's chances around 92-97%, and he was more accurate than Silver in 2008 and 2010; he also called 2004 correctly.

We're just seeing a lot of journalists who don't understand how stats work. And I think it backs up my point that we'll never see the media focus on aggregates because their stability kills the "breaking news" hook most television news channels rely on.

"Herp derp stats are hard" is the new slogan of media outlets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 08:07:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 29, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
If Obama wins there are gonna be a lot of people saying "bubububu national polls! horse race!" Chalk this up as another case of the media not actually doing any reporting

of course, there will plenty of voter fraud charges too. Just watch

Wonder what will be this cycle's ACORN and New Black Panther party.

I'm guessing "black churches." What's wrong with just a plain-old "church"?

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-10-28/news/fl-church-vote-20121028_1_hundreds-march-vote-polls

yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
I live in Florida and despite early voting its likely the state will tip over to the Republican side this year anyway unfortunately.

So I doubt this will arise although it doesn't really matter. Republicans in the state will do whatever it takes to limit early in person voting or make the hassle to do it more in the future.

Here are the early voting totals in my county which is a pretty important Bellwether county for the state and the nation to a degree. Since 1960 its voted for the eventual winner in every election except for the 92 Clinton win.

http://www.voterfocus.com/hosting/hillsborough/ew_pages/Whats%20New/English/Early%20Voting%20Totals/2012%20General%20Election/Monday-%20October%2029,%202012.pdf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2012, 10:17:46 PM
Stoney I thought you said you moved to a civilized state? Why Florida? WHY :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2012, 10:20:32 PM
I lived in Cali for a number of years but yeah I live in Florida now to be closer to family. It is what it is. Florida kinda sucks but its about the only Southern state I could remotely tolerate living in, in a relative sense.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2012, 10:42:50 PM
What about Tejas?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2012, 10:51:28 PM
Quote from: Stringer Bell on October 29, 2012, 10:42:50 PM
What about Tejas?

I know there are pockets of liberal areas in Texas like Austin and this is probably completely unfair since I know people also have certain views on how backwards Florida is but I just have an awful image of Texas. All I think of is lots of guns and the state doing crazy batshit stuff at the state level. I've never been to Texas outside of driving through it so that's a characterization based on ignorance but I honestly don't have a really favorable opinion of the state. If I wasn't living in Florida because of family the only real places I would want to live in the us are Cali or the state of Washington or something. The north is fairly liberal also but I wouldn't want to live in the New England area although its a fun place to visit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2012, 10:52:53 PM
Texas is pretty liberal in the cities. Though, still kind of backwards in some areas (like city development) compared to the best of America's cities. Still, Austin, Dallas, and  Houston are pretty good. As is San Anton. Houston has an elected gay mayor. The image of Texas mostly comes from seedy pocket areas in west and south Texas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2012, 11:00:50 PM
Texas cities are all pretty nice, particularly downtown. Dallas has several art museums and an aquarium, San Antonio has the Alamo and the river walk, Austin has tons of nightclubs and live music venues, Ft. Worth has the zoo and botanic gardens, and Houston has...well...an industrial wasteland.

Actually, I'm sure Houston is a perfectly nice city, I've just never been there before.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2012, 11:09:41 PM
Some Florida numbers

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The Department of State said as of Monday morning, nearly 1.4 million people had cast absentee ballots and more than 500,000 people cast ballots in person during the early voting period that began Saturday.

The vote is nearly evenly split by party, with 784,444 ballots cast by Democrats and 774,304 ballots cast by Republicans. More than 307,000 ballots have been cast by voters who don't belong to either major party.

The total represents nearly 16 percent of Florida's 11.9 million voters.

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Party     Early Vote     %
DEM   251,110   49%
REP   177,958   35%
IND   84,121   16%
TOTAL   513,189
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/29/1152251/-Today-in-early-voting-FL-IA-NV-NC-and-PA?showAll=yes

Romney will probably win Florida imo, but if Hispanics come out in force Obama will have a shot. Dems have erased the huge absentee vote lead republicans had in 2008
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 30, 2012, 12:02:26 AM
Pissing away tax dollars:

 
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2. Of the 12.4 million total arrests last year, drug arrests (1,531,251) represented about one out of every eight arrests, or 12.34% of the total.

3. Of the 1.53 million drug arrests last year, 87.5% (1.34 million) were for possession and only 12.5% (191,000) were for the sale or manufacturing of drugs.

4. Nearly half of all drug arrests (49.5% or 758,000 arrests) were for possessing or selling weed, which grows naturally in almost all U.S. states.  That means that police arrested somebody last year every 42 seconds for weed charges, and most of those arrests (87.5%) were for possessing weed.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/persons-arrested/persons-arrested
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 12:09:26 AM
You edit that?  Cause the original blog post keeps referring to marijuana as "weeds," plural, which I find inexplicably funny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 12:09:26 AM
You edit that?  Cause the original blog post keeps referring to marijuana as "weeds," plural, which I find inexplicably funny.

Dandelion and foxtail are hardcore, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 30, 2012, 12:13:19 AM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 12:09:26 AM
You edit that?  Cause the original blog post keeps referring to marijuana as "weeds," plural, which I find inexplicably funny.

Yea, I didn't want to distract from the information. It's a peculiar way to phrase it. Maybe he is including mushrooms/etc along with it?

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 12:15:07 AM
Another possible explanation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKX1xk2PPpY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 09:47:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f17fWth3YgA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2012, 10:09:52 AM
Did ethereal douchebag Pat Robertson really say that the hurricane is god's judgement for Obama leading in the polls?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 10:19:50 AM
Nah, I'm pretty sure it's still the gays that are causing it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 11:11:05 AM
So Chris Christie thinks that Obama's response to the Hurricane has been great? Well no biggie, I'm sure if Mitt Romney were president, his state-run privatized who knows disaster relief response would be great too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2012, 11:14:41 AM
He will be forced to retract that statement praising Obama this afternoon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
He'll have to eat those words
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 11:36:57 AM
Quote from: Mamacint on October 30, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
He'll have to eat those words

(http://i.imgur.com/9T9Q0.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 30, 2012, 01:09:12 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/national-polls-meaningless-stage-election-135415586.html

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One would think that Gallup, Pew, Rasmussen, every sufficiently wealthy news organization and anyone else interested in conducting a poll would be familiar with the basics of the American electoral system. Why they all insist on continuing to waste precious ink on national polls, then, is completely mystifying.

Gallup's latest poll of registered voters reports that former Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama are tied nationally, 48 to 48 percent. Gallup's latest poll of likely voters, based on a complex set of assumptions about voter turnout, has Romney leading Obama by 5 percentage points, 51 to 46.

These figures are based on a national sample, so they theoretically include voters from Ohio, Florida and Virginia. They also include voters from Wyoming, California, Alabama, Delaware and about 40 other states whose voters could not possibly be any less relevant to the outcome on Nov. 6.

At this stage in the election, like any sufficiently close election, the fate of the candidates rests with fewer than a half-dozen states. The continuing snapshots of national polls are useful for pollsters and academics, who are interested in things like expected vote share or the probability of victory in the national popular vote. Most stakeholders care only about the likelihood of victory in the Electoral College, and a national poll is not very useful at this point.

This is why most prognosticators consider Obama to have a far higher chance of victory than the national polls would suggest. The Signal has Obama at a 65 percent chance of victory, while Nate Silver gives him a 75 percent chance against Romney. A small, demented chorus of observers has recently dinged Silver for this conclusion, citing various gut feelings to the contrary.

Any way you slice it, Obama is leading in states that account for well over 270 electoral votes. As we've said a million times before, Obama needs only Ohio, Florida or Virginia to prevent Romney from reaching 270 electoral votes in most scenarios. Romney needs all three.

Romney maintains a slight lead in aggregations of many polls. HuffPost's Pollster listed six new polls on Monday, and Obama led in only one. Romney led in three of these, and two were are tied. Pollster, which has a very transparent method of aggregation, combines all recent polls and has Romney up 47.4 to 47.2. RealClearPolitics, which aggregates polls with a completely opaque method, has Romney up 47.6 to 46.7.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
Quote
Nate Silver
‏@fivethirtyeight

CAN'T BELIEVE METOROLOGISTS USED MATH AND SCIENCE TO PREDICT THIS STORM. THEY MUST BE MAGIC WIZARDS.

5:24 PM - 29 Oct 12
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 30, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
Statistics are one of those things that anybody can bullshit but few can understand. It is pretty hilarious that political pundits are the ones criticizing him for possibly making a wrong prediction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
Yeah, well one time the news said there was a 75% chance of rain, and it didn't even rain!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 30, 2012, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 30, 2012, 01:58:54 PM
Yeah, well one time the news said there was a 75% chance of rain, and it didn't even rain!
60% chance of survival?  Fuck you doc, I'll see what Ann Coulter says about that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
Quote
Bush’s FEMA Director During Katrina Criticizes Obama For Responding To Sandy Too Quickly

“One thing he’s gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [the hurricane] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in…Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?” Brown says. “Why was this so quick?… At some point, somebody’s going to ask that question…. This is like the inverse of Benghazi.”
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/30/1110901/bush-fema-director-katrina-hits-obama-sandy/

this is not an Onion article
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2012, 02:58:48 PM
fuck this gay earth
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
If only the National Weather Service had issued a Terrorist Warning and plotted out the probably path of the rioters through the streets of Benghazi, maybe all that tragedy could have been averted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2012, 03:08:29 PM
Responding to aid citizens in midst of major storm : Terrorist attack on ambassador building on foreign soil ::

a) Duty : Terrorism

b) Obama cares about black people : Obama doesn't care about white people

c) distinguished black fellow : distinguished black fellow

I'm going with c.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on October 30, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/379074_10151282125580664_32584093_n.jpg)

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
This fuckwit should just be glad he didn't get drug out into the street by an angry mob.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 30, 2012, 03:33:25 PM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/30/romney-on-storm-aftermath-people-are-hurting-this-morning/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/30/romney-on-storm-aftermath-people-are-hurting-this-morning/)

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The campaign announced they would load supplies into a campaign bus for delivery in Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire and Pennsylvania – all swing states impacted by the storm.

And Chris Christie was devastating to Romney.  It's probably the last word will hear from him before the election and he praises Obama, preempts criticism of Obama, and makes anyone who looks to gain political points from this look like an asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 30, 2012, 04:08:24 PM
Wonder why Romney isn't delivering goods to New Jersey or New York...

 :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
to be fair I think that source is false.  he mentioned delivering goods to new jersey.

but of course it'll be using his campaign buses and cars.  it's exactly what the red cross advises AGAINST
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 30, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
I heard Chris Christie's response to Fox and Friends this afternoon on NPR. That was loads of awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2012, 09:45:53 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 30, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
I heard Chris Christie's response to Fox and Friends this afternoon on NPR. That was loads of awesome.

I probably disagree on lots of shit with him but I loved his answer today; I gained some respect for him. He basically told Romney to fuck off. Plus he'll be touring the disaster with Obama tomorrow.

Naturally conservatives are pissed about all this. Surveying disasters, coordinating relief, and being nurturer in chief are roles of the presidency. They seem so mad Obama gets to do all that shit, as if he's playing politics or doesn't care about people. It's pathetic, and another "thing presidents do" that they clearly don't think Obama should do
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 09:53:48 PM
To be fair, they'd be killing him for prioritizing the campaign if he weren't doing all this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
Oh definitely. But at the same time he could have easily allowed Romney to tour the devastation with him and not been accused of playing politics. Instead he told Romney to get lost
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 30, 2012, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2012, 09:53:48 PM
To be fair, they'd be killing him for prioritizing the campaign if he weren't doing all this.

(http://i.qkme.me/355hy6.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2012, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on October 30, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
to be fair I think that source is false.  he mentioned delivering goods to new jersey.

but of course it'll be using his campaign buses and cars.  it's exactly what the red cross advises AGAINST

Yeah, well it's about time to get the government out of Red Cross and turn it over to someone with private sector experience like Mitt Romney or something, bro.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 30, 2012, 10:25:49 PM
He saved the Olympics for Pete's sake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 30, 2012, 11:19:54 PM
Yeah guys, trust him. He's ran a business.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2012, 11:36:29 PM
I'm pretty sure he was also a Governor, although we're not supposed to talk about that or something
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2012, 11:44:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iCB2P.png)
https://twitter.com/EvanAxelbank

Dunno what to think about this. Seems like a very weird way to get your base motivated. I know Obama's camp sends emails about them being down and needing help, but this seems way more specific. I'll wait for more senior advisers to start jumping ship
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2012, 12:01:14 AM
I've read that a lot of what we'd think of as get-out-the-vote is done by Democrats through the party but done by Republicans through churches and other non-party organizations, so that might factor into it.  And yeah, no way of knowing how true that story is and how much it's being leaked as CYA or motivation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2012, 12:05:05 AM
If Romney loses Floridia... well, that's game, blouses right there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 12:07:20 AM
Dave Weigel's recent article about black churches mobilizing in response to the state's voter suppression laws
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/10/florida_voter_suppression_republican_efforts_to_discourage_turnout_in_florida.single.html

In 2008 my grandma's entire retirement home was bussed to the polls in Detroit; it's a predominantly African American home, run by a megachurch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 31, 2012, 12:10:48 AM
Seeing how this is my first time to be in US during elections I'm wondering if there's an actual correlation between it and sudden slight dip in gas prices. Someone draw me a business process plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2012, 12:17:30 AM
Prices go up so people hate the incumbent(current prez) even though he hasn't got anything to do with it. The invisible hand of the free market makes the prices recede due to less demand/over supply.  The GOP is the lapdogs of the oil industry so it's a little weird to me that prices are falling within a week until elections.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 12:19:41 AM
supply. demand. refinery fires in California have been put under control
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 31, 2012, 12:27:49 AM
Prices tend to trend down every year in the fall. Some years more than others.

Read this: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4453
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 01:28:28 AM
Bloomberg declined Obama's request to tour NY's damage
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83082.html?hp=f1

Really puts Christie's decision in an even better light
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 31, 2012, 03:26:59 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 31, 2012, 12:27:49 AM
Prices tend to trend down every year in the fall. Some years more than others.

Read this: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4453


This was really informative. Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2012, 03:38:57 AM
My fellow Stalinists, get your masturbation hats ready:

OH

Obama 50 (Early vote: 60)
Romney 45 (Early vote: 34)

Brown 51
Mandel 42

VA

Obama 49
Romney 47

Kaine 50
Allen 46

FL

Obama 48 (Early vote: 50)
Romney 47 (Early vote: 44)

Nelson 52
Mack 39

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/us/politics/ohio-working-class-may-be-key-to-obama-re-election.html?pagewanted=all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 31, 2012, 04:33:22 AM
 :-[ Biden  :-[

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/biden-says-transgender-discrimination-civil-rights-147761.html#.UJBuvNMt_Sg.twitter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 10:04:38 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 01:28:28 AM
Bloomberg declined Obama's request to tour NY's damage
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/83082.html?hp=f1

Really puts Christie's decision in an even better light

he mad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2012, 10:16:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8R2TZ2D2bM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Bachmann can't go away fast enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 31, 2012, 12:25:55 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on October 31, 2012, 03:38:57 AM
My fellow Stalinists, get your masturbation hats ready:

OH

Obama 50 (Early vote: 60)
Romney 45 (Early vote: 34)

Brown 51
Mandel 42

VA

Obama 49
Romney 47

Kaine 50
Allen 46

FL

Obama 48 (Early vote: 50)
Romney 47 (Early vote: 44)

Nelson 52
Mack 39

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/us/politics/ohio-working-class-may-be-key-to-obama-re-election.html?pagewanted=all

On top of this, another PPP in Ohio w Obama +5.   Where is my Saran Wrap?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 31, 2012, 01:14:16 PM
It's priceless seeing the right saying that Obama is "campaigning with Christie" instead of "touring a federal disaster area". 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 01:30:45 PM
Race called, pack it in libtards:

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/264935-here-comes-the-landslide

:bow 350 EVs for Romney and control of the Senate :bow2

Quote
But once we all met Mitt Romney for three 90-minute debates, we got to know him — and to like him. He was not the monster Obama depicted, but a reasonable person for whom we could vote.

Quote
Reasonable voters saw that the voice of hope and optimism and positivism was Romney while the president was only a nitpicking, quarrelsome, negative figure. The contrast does not work in Obama’s favor.

u mad, Dems? :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 31, 2012, 01:56:48 PM
That reads like fanfiction.

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Just kidding, it is fanfiction. :shh
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 02:20:58 PM
For real, I read that and think "Man, I could do that. Why am I not getting myself paid to write wingnut fanfic? My RomneyxRyan slashfic will bring you to tears!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2012, 02:26:45 PM
Jesus Christ, it's like he lives in a parallel universe or something.  For instance, has there been even ONE credible poll to show Casey behind in PA?  WTF.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2012, 02:29:04 PM
lol Dick Morris. A guy fired from the Clinton admin. for involvement with prostitutes is the voice of credibility for fox news. The jokes write themselves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 02:46:25 PM
Dick Morris is just another hammer in the Fox News toolbox.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 31, 2012, 02:47:49 PM
Morris has always been about pumping up the base before an election. That's what he do.


Quote
After it's all over, when your insurance rates go down, then you'll vote for me in 2016."

-- Vice President Joe Biden, quoted by The Hill, chatting by phone with a Republican voter.

lol ... Lots to chew on in that quote.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 03:14:22 PM
the full report

Quote
Vice President Joe Biden had a raucous visit to a restaurant in Sarasota, Fla., Wednesday when he was met by a group of enthusiastic older women and ended up on the phone with the Republican brother of one, according to a White House pool report.

After placing an order, the group of older women entered the restaurant and began taking pictures of the vice president.

From the pool report:

    One of the women called him “gorgeous.” “Would you tell my wife that,” VP responded.

    Poses with arms around a pair of women for a picture, not rushing the moment at all.

    “I loved what you did to Paul Ryan,” one woman said. “You were great today. We love you,” said another.

    One then says of the picture: “I’ve got to send this to my Republican brother.” The VP than invited her to get him on the phone.

The woman called her brother and passed the phone to Biden, who apparently had a short but serious conversation with the man about the health care law that included a reference to a 2016 run for president, which Biden said was said in jest.

“Look, I’m not trying to talk you into voting for me, I just wanted to say hi to you. And after its all over when your insurance rates go down, then you’ll vote for me in 2016. I’ll talk to you later.”
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/biden-visits-with-groupies-at-florida-restaurant
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
I'd vote for Biden in 2016, no doubt. What a playa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 31, 2012, 03:54:31 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on October 31, 2012, 01:30:45 PM
Race called, pack it in libtards:

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/dick-morris/264935-here-comes-the-landslide

:bow 350 EVs for Romney and control of the Senate :bow2

Wow, I knew Nate Silver was gay, but I had no idea he was THAT gay until Dick Morris laid it all out for us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 05:13:59 PM
Quote
As supporters lined up to greet the candidate, a young volunteer in a Romney/Ryan T-shirt stood near the tables, his hands cupped around his mouth, shouting, "You need a donation to get in line!"

Empty-handed supporters pled for entrance, with one woman asking, "What if we dropped off our donations up front?"

The volunteer gestured toward a pile of groceries conveniently stacked near the candidate. "Just grab something," he said.

Two teenage boys retrieved a jar of peanut butter each, and got in line. When it was their turn, they handed their "donations" to Romney. He took them, smiled, and offered an earnest "Thank you."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/romney-campaign-bought-own-supplies-for-storm-relief

Good Lord :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 31, 2012, 05:41:02 PM
Another victim of Bronco Bama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrthOPLAKM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 06:21:40 PM
The Onion, once again being the only news outlet to actually have real news:

Nation Suddenly Realizes This Just Going To Be A Thing That Happens From Now On
October 31, 2012 | ISSUE 48•44 | More News

NEW YORK—Following Hurricane Sandy’s destructive tear through the Northeast this week, the nation’s 300 million citizens looked upon the trail of devastation and fully realized, for the first time, that this is just going to be something that happens from now on.

Gradually comprehending that this sort of thing is now just a fact of life, citizens all across America stared blankly at images of destroyed homes, major cities paralyzed by flooding, and ravaged communities covered in debris, and finally acknowledged that this, apparently, is now a regular part of the human experience.

“Oh, I see—this is just going to be how it is from here on out,” said New York City resident Brian Marcello, coming to terms with the fact that an immense storm that cripples mass transit systems and knocks out power for millions in the nation’s largest metropolitan area can no longer be regarded as an isolated, freak incident, and will henceforth be just a normal thing that happens. “Hugely destructive weather events are going to keep happening, and they are going to get worse and worse, and living through them is something that will be a part of all our lives from now on, whether we like it or not.”

“I get it now,” Marcello added.

Faced with the prospect of long months before any of the widespread damage is truly repaired, the millions who reside along the Eastern Seaboard told reporters today they fully understood, for the first time, that natural disasters killing scores of Americans and costing billions of dollars are going to be routine events, not just in the immediate foreseeable future, but permanently.

Sources added that by early Wednesday morning, it abruptly occurred to millions more citizens that the news stories they’ve been seeing that feature displaced families, photos of debris, shut-down businesses, and government relief efforts have already started to feel “extremely familiar,” because these are things that happen now.

“I was just watching a CNN news story about how much damage Sandy has caused in comparison to Katrina, Ike, or last year’s storm that ravaged the Northeast, and it dawned on me: ‘Ah, okay, being a human being on Planet Earth, pretty much no matter where you are, now involves the threat of one day having your home, city, or country decimated in a matter of hours by a severe weather event,’” Detroit resident Stacy Hillman said. “Looking at images of cities—actual American fucking cities—flooded with water is no longer an incredibly weird, unprecedented thing to see. It has happened before, it happened this week, and it will continue to happen again and again in the future, and to an even greater extent.”

“So, then, I guess that what it means to be a member of human civilization has changed forever, pretty much,” Hillman added. “And that this is the new world we live in.”

A Reuters poll conducted earlier this week found that 43 percent of Americans reported finally accepting the fact that a potentially endless number of increasingly lethal natural disasters would likely occur throughout the coming decades, while as many as 18 percent of respondents said they were “almost relieved” knowing that the possibility of their entire life being washed away in an instant now existed.

“Right now, Americans all across the country are watching the aftermath of this storm and at long last recognizing that this is what life is like now,” said Dr. Richard Morales, a climatologist at the University of Pennsylvania. “Admittedly, it could take a little while for some to fully acknowledge it, but at the end of the day, people will be much happier once they accept that they and their loved ones will likely suffer the consequences of an even stronger, more deadly hurricane at some point very soon. It’s going to happen.”

“I went through something very similar a few years ago when I finally came to terms with the fact that no one would ever listen to anything I said about global warming,” Morales added. “And that it is entirely too late to do anything about it.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 31, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MpsF0.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 31, 2012, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 31, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MpsF0.png)

Unskewed, that's Romney +3, +2, +2, +2, tie, tie, tie.

ROMENTUM IS REAL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2012, 07:05:51 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 31, 2012, 06:50:10 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on October 31, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MpsF0.png)

Unskewed, that's Romney +3, +2, +2, +2, tie, tie, tie.

ROMENTUM IS REAL

DICK MORRIS TOLD ME SO, AND HE IS A TRUSTWORTHY MAN WITHOUT AN AGENDA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 07:11:58 PM
:bow Nate Silver :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
More like Dick More-ass, amirite?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2012, 07:16:55 PM
EDIT: GODDAMN YOU JOE! :punch

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2012, 07:11:58 PM
:bow Dick Morris :bow2

Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2012, 10:45:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUM2tSX83MI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2012, 11:53:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUM2tSX83MI
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on November 01, 2012, 03:26:11 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 30, 2012, 11:19:54 PM
Yeah guys, trust him. He's ran a business.

and you'll find market forces will drive prices down - just like they do with private healthcare and everything else that gets privatized.

that's EXACTLY how it worked out in the UK ! We loved that everything went up 10% a year no matter which Gas/Electricity/water supply you chose!

"But private companies will be forced to price competitively!*










* - unless they form a cartel like they always do.  :teehee. Should have read the small print."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2012, 10:13:56 AM
In another bit of good news, it looks like Democrats will retain control of the Senate regardless of how the Presidential election goes:

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/why-the-gop-agenda-is-likely-dead-even-if-romney-wins.php?ref=fpblg
Today, all major polling aggregators forecast that Democrats will keep a majority of the Senate no matter who wins the presidency. And that’s badly damaged the GOP’s hope of making sweeping policy changes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2012, 10:14:38 AM
If absolutely everything breaks right they could gain a seat or two.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2012, 10:22:26 AM
Nope, Dick Morris just confirmed that they're going to lose all 53 seats, even the ones that aren't being contested.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2012, 10:23:25 AM
If somehow the Republicans come within two seats of taking back the Senate (everything suggests it won't be that close but whatever) they're gonna be kicking themselves for nominating two more teahadist lunatics in what should have been an easy win in Missouri and an easy defend in Indiana that now looks like a loss.  Legitimate gift from god, those tea partiers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 01, 2012, 11:51:14 AM
Yeah, as someone from the St. Louis area, I was pretty worried about McCaskill. But then Todd Akin showed up and basically handed the election over with that boneheaded rape remark and refused to step down. Who knew that the Tea Party people were less than savvy in political nuance?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2012, 12:23:32 PM
It's pretty dope that, assuming polls are correct/nothing big happens in next few days, Elizabeth Warren will be a US senator :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 01, 2012, 12:28:25 PM
Karl Rove's "Get Out the Vote, White Guys" piece isn't as hilarious as Morris's, but it reinforces the idea that most people don't know how the electoral college works.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204846304578090820229096046.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204846304578090820229096046.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 01, 2012, 12:30:32 PM
Interesting to look at the polling leading up to the 2004 election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html

Florida - RCP Avg: Bush +.5  Result: Bush +5
Ohio - RCP Avg: Bush +2.1  Result: Bush +2
Penns - RCP Avg: Kerry +.9 Result: Kerry +2
Wisc -  RCP Avg: Bush +.9  Result: Kerry +1
Iowa - RCP Avg: Bush +.3 Result: Bush +1


I think the takeaway from this is that if Romney really were in 'striking distance' his polling aggregate would need to be much closer than it is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 01, 2012, 12:30:32 PM
Interesting to look at the polling leading up to the 2004 election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html

Florida - RCP Avg: Bush +.5  Result: Bush +5
Ohio - RCP Avg: Bush +2.1  Result: Bush +2
Penns - RCP Avg: Kerry +.9 Result: Kerry +2
Wisc -  RCP Avg: Bush +.9  Result: Kerry +1
Iowa - RCP Avg: Bush +.3 Result: Bush +1


I think the takeaway from this is that if Romney really were in 'striking distance' his polling aggregate would need to be much closer than it is.

plus chalk it up as more evidence that the challenger does not magically gain every undecided voter on election day - that vote is effectively split, thus benefiting whoever was ahead before the election
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2012, 01:27:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f17fWth3YgA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 01, 2012, 01:51:24 PM
https://twitter.com/corybooker/status/264022914922323969

whoops wrong place
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 01, 2012, 02:39:57 PM
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/11/it-was-a-dark-and-stormy-campaign

From a parody of George Will:

Quote
Energetic in body but indolent in mind, Barack Obama in his frenetic campaigning for a second term is promising to replicate his first term, although simply apologizing would be appropriate. His long campaign’s bilious tone — scurrilities about Mitt Romney as a monster of, at best, callous indifference; adolescent japes about “Romnesia” — is discordant coming from someone who has favorably compared his achievements to those of “any president” since Lincoln, with the “possible” exceptions of Lincoln, LBJ and FDR. Obama’s oceanic self-esteem — no deficit there — may explain why he seems to smolder with resentment that he must actually ask for a second term.


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Nah, that's actually George Will.

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"Energetic in body but indolent in mind?" Did he just call Obama athletic but dumb? Is this column actually about Javale McGee?
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 01, 2012, 02:47:01 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
It's always amusing when someone uses the "stop being so negative and mean-spirited!" line of attack against Obama and the Democrats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2012, 03:31:53 PM
After thinking long and hard about what a Romney administration's response to the next hurricane to hit his town would look like, Bloomberg today came out of his principled centrist ivory tower to endorse Obama.  Game, blouses.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 01, 2012, 04:24:42 PM
Excellent. That really helps Obama's chances of carrying New York.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2012, 04:32:08 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/blacks-should-vote-republican-ad-ohio.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

LMAO
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 01, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on November 01, 2012, 04:32:08 PM
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/blacks-should-vote-republican-ad-ohio.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

LMAO

Republican fringe groups trot out this old chestnut every election. I think I posted about it the last time on GAF during the last election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPEXnYvHxXA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
It's always amusing when someone uses the "stop being so negative and mean-spirited!" line of attack against Obama and the Democrats.

My father in law said this to me the other day. He said Romney would work with dems  whereas Obama said too many nasty things to the gop. I said I hadn't heard dems call the gop a muslim terrorist sympathizer that wasn't born in this country. He smiled and changed the subject.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2012, 04:58:02 PM
Also, that blacks vote for repub smacks of desperation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2012, 05:43:07 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 01, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
It's always amusing when someone uses the "stop being so negative and mean-spirited!" line of attack against Obama and the Democrats.

My father in law said this to me the other day. He said Romney would work with dems  whereas Obama said too many nasty things to the gop. I said I hadn't heard dems call the gop a muslim terrorist sympathizer that wasn't born in this country. He smiled and changed the subject.

Yeah, I can just see Mitt "No Apology" Romney and his Tea Party pals reaching across the isle to work with Democrats after this election. They've just been waiting for some good spineless moderate dems to work with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 01, 2012, 06:31:17 PM
oh LAWD i cant wait til the ad i just seen hits the net

NO SPOILERS but let me tell you it features aborted fetuses
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 01, 2012, 07:52:49 PM
I was hoping there would be some NLM videos this year...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY0M7IdNl7U
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
Who you voting for?

Romney

Why?

I don't remember.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: Congressional Research Service report
The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.

However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.

I am shocked!

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/congressional-research-service_n_2059156.html
The New York Times reported on Thursday that Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.

Double shocked!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2012, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: Congressional Research Service report
The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.

However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.

I am shocked!

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/01/congressional-research-service_n_2059156.html
The New York Times reported on Thursday that Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.

Double shocked!
Obvious news is obvious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2012, 11:00:49 PM
So now science, statistics, mathematics and economics are all wrong. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2012, 11:27:25 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/us/politics/matt-romney-goes-to-russia-for-business.html?ref=politics&_r=0

Matt Romney is going on the Mitt Romney Apology Tour, not to apologize for America but just to apologize for Mitt Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2012, 01:18:55 PM
I had an evaluation meeting yesterday with a parent. The district gets reimbursed by the state for certain services if kids are Medicaid eligible, but we need the parents to give us permission to check for eligibility. After I explained this to the mom, she gladly signed the form, but started going on about "Obummer" and how he doesn't do anything for her. I just smiled and nodded politely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 02, 2012, 04:56:41 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-york-times-bully-knocks-stack-of-polls-from-na,30218/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-york-times-bully-knocks-stack-of-polls-from-na,30218/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/economy-adds-171000-jobs-in-october.php
The U.S. economy added an estimated 171,000 jobs in October, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics monthly employment report released Friday — exceeding analysts expectations, and sparing President Obama from lackluster economic news days before the election
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 02, 2012, 05:20:19 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/economy-adds-171000-jobs-in-october.php
The U.S. economy added an estimated 171,000 jobs in October, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics monthly employment report released Friday — exceeding analysts expectations, and sparing President Obama from lackluster economic news days before the election

But it went UP .1%! HOW DARE YOU SAY ITS GOOD!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
according to romney: unemployment is higher now than it was when obama took office

...

by .1%

oh and let's ignore the fact that the job losses weren't as bad in january 2009 as they were a few months later
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 02, 2012, 05:29:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZENtH3psXl4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2012, 05:37:14 PM
I believe that's what is referred to as an "ice-cold burn."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 02, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Can't see the video. Summary, plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2012, 07:29:34 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Can't see the video. Summary, plz.

Romney: Obama said he's going to stop the rise of the oceans!

Audience: LOL!

Romney: And to heal the planet!

Audience: LOL!

Romney: My promise is to help you and your family!

Audience: *loud applause*

And the applause continues over shots of Sandy devastation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Can't see the video. Summary, plz.

Romney saying "Obama says he wants to lower ocean levels and heal the earth" and then rolling his eyes while the RNC audience hoots with laughter and applause. Applause continues over clips of Sandy tear-assing around the northeast. "Let Mitt Romney know that climate change is no laughing matter."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2012, 12:55:08 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 02, 2012, 06:50:56 PM
Can't see the video. Summary, plz.

I don't know wtf these two pollyannas are lying to you for; this is roughly what I see when I watch the video:

ROMNEY RESPONDS TO A QUESTION ABOUT LIBYA BY PROJECTING A RAINBOW COLORED PARABOLIC ARC OF VOMIT ACROSS THE DESK AND INTO BOB SCHIEFFER’S WAITING MAW. THE FOCUS GROUP LINES JERK UPWARD IN APPROVAL. HE APOLOGIZES IN A CHORUS OF FIVE DISTINCT VOICES EMANATING FROM THE SAME MOUTH. “I ATE RAFALCA,” HE SAYS BY WAY OF EXPLANATION. THIS IS THE KIND OF DIMENSIONLESS WRAITH YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A BEER WITH.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 03, 2012, 01:11:38 AM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 02:53:00 AM
Geraldo calling out Fox's Libya obsession
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/02/geraldo-rivera-calls-fox-colleague-bolling-a-po/191083

And another video of a retired general explaining how quickly help arrived, while the Fox host continually attempts to claim there was no response (ie Obama let the people die)
http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/1...geous-c/191079

When you accuse the president of the United States of letting US government military personnel die you are crossing a very dangerous line. I understand Fox needs to spin the shit out of this for maximum damage/ratings, but this is disgusting. They're essentially accusing Obama of treason and murder.

The far, fringe right accused JFK of letting US and Cuban military personnel die during the Bay of Pigs but it stayed on the far fringe right. This is being broadcast nearly 24/7 on the most popular television news station in the county. When I read the stuff on twitter coming from the right about this...it sounds an awful lot like these people have a bloodlust for the president, with this "Benghazi-Gate" situation being the final straw, as if they're all demanding "something" be done. The rhetoric is genuinely scary, and will only get more toxic if Obama wins on Tuesday
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2012, 02:57:32 AM
I don't know, some protester held up a sign calling Bush Hitler, so both sides do it, really.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 03:06:57 AM
Obviously there were more than a few cases of military parents who accused Bush of being a murderer, and far left (internet) media doing the same...but there's a major difference here. As I said this is the #1 news station in the country, propagating pure treason charges against the president. They literally have the parents of the former SEAL believing Obama watched a live feed of his son getting killed, and did nothing. That he made a "political decision" that it benefited him more to let Americans die than save them.

Did the administration handle this perfectly? No. Did the CIA's involvement make this more complicated and messy? Yes. But the idea that we had the power to save these people but didn't because Obama said "fuck it, I have to go to Vegas tomorrow" is reprehensible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2012, 04:09:18 AM
He flat out said "the WH murdered my son" on Hannity and the right are fapping fast and furiously to that. I'm not blaming him because I know he's upset, but damn, you don't gotta run stuff like that as "news".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 03, 2012, 07:24:20 AM
This is the problem when you propagate  questionable rhetoric. It gives the other side the liberty to do the same down the road.

It feels like a never ending cycle that has kept escalating since the Reagan years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 03, 2012, 07:53:38 AM
I just don't understand the reasoning why they think Obama just let them die. What possible motive could he have for doing that? What is his endgame here?

1. Watch some dudes get killed, eat some popcorn.
2. Prevent rescue efforts, then go party in Vegas.
3. ???
4. Profit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2012, 10:09:58 AM
3. Pal around with terrorists.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
Chris Stevens had Obama's REAL birth certificate! :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 03:13:24 PM
https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
http://www.dickmorris.com/in-the-last-few-hours-sudden-danger-signs-in-polling/

Even Dick Morris has given up on Romney and it's all Sandy's fault.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 03, 2012, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 03:13:24 PM
https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate
 :lol

 :lol :lol :lol

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
Chris Stevens had Obama's REAL birth certificate! :omg

Vile Rat ganked Obama's Hulk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
http://www.dickmorris.com/in-the-last-few-hours-sudden-danger-signs-in-polling/

Even Dick Morris has given up on Romney and it's all Sandy's fault.  :'(

Perhaps he sees this as a chance to save some face, but then again there's literally nothing that could happen to change an election from a 400 EV landslide to a slim win for the opponent - outside of Obama being caught diddling kids. Morris literally predicted Romney could get 400 EVs just a few days ago, but I'd imagine if republicans (and the Beltway) make this the narrative than it will stick. Remember, even mainstream commentators have argued Romney still had TEH MOMENTUM until the storm ruined it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 03, 2012, 04:27:07 PM
Dick Morris is a washed up has been. Nobody has taken him seriously in many a year. These types of pundits exist to fill the news hole and say a million crazy things and get plaudits when they are correct every blue moon and ignore the other 99% they are wrong. It's how cable news exists.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote
@ppppolls: Our final Washington poll finds the state is likely to approve gay marriage- 52% support it, 42% are opposed
:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 03, 2012, 05:01:08 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
http://www.dickmorris.com/in-the-last-few-hours-sudden-danger-signs-in-polling/

Even Dick Morris has given up on Romney and it's all Sandy's fault.  :'(

Perhaps he sees this as a chance to save some face, but then again there's literally nothing that could happen to change an election from a 400 EV landslide to a slim win for the opponent - outside of Obama being caught diddling kids. Morris literally predicted Romney could get 400 EVs just a few days ago, but I'd imagine if republicans (and the Beltway) make this the narrative than it will stick. Remember, even mainstream commentators have argued Romney still had TEH MOMENTUM until the storm ruined it

(http://www.obscurecraft.net/obscureblog/images/i-called-it.jpg) (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39131.msg1575881#msg1575881)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
Where's Pat Robertson to explain why God sent a hurricane to re-elect Barack Hussein Obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 03, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote
@ppppolls: Our final Washington poll finds the state is likely to approve gay marriage- 52% support it, 42% are opposed
:rock

More like:
 :hump
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: T-Short on November 03, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxRwRybnuqo

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 01:41:17 AM
Quote
Iran has suspended the enrichment of uranium stockpiles to the 20% purity needed to bring it a short step from building a nuclear device, news services in the region have reported.

Mohammad Hossein Asfari, a member of parliament responsible for foreign policy and national security, was quoted as saying that the move was a "goodwill" gesture, aimed at softening Iran's position before a new round of scheduled talks with the United States after this week's presidential elections.

Asfari said he hoped sanctions would be lifted in return for Iran's actions, otherwise it would resume the programme, according to a website belonging to the Al Arabiya news channel. Talks aimed at halting Iran's enrichment programme have made little progress, leading to the west tightening sanctions and increasing the prospect of military action by Israel.

The Islamic republic's economy has plummeted in the grip of punitive economic measures and Tehran indicated earlier this month that it would be willing to negotiate. However, the offer to suspend enrichment required so many concessions that it was dismissed by the United States.
(rest at link) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/04/iran-suspend-uranium-enrichment

must...try...not...to...get...hopes...up
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2012, 01:25:14 AM
That's a pretty major step, if it's true and if it's sincere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Timedog on November 04, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
Why don't we just offer to help Iran with building/planning on Thorium plants? Wouldn't that immediately bring this whole debacle either to a close or to it's logical end?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 04, 2012, 01:51:46 AM
Quote from: Timedog on November 04, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
Why don't we just offer to help Iran with building/planning on Thorium plants? Wouldn't that immediately bring this whole debacle either to a close or to it's logical end?

Iran won't get access to Thorium until the expansion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Timedog on November 04, 2012, 06:05:47 AM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 04, 2012, 01:51:46 AM
Quote from: Timedog on November 04, 2012, 01:29:13 AM
Why don't we just offer to help Iran with building/planning on Thorium plants? Wouldn't that immediately bring this whole debacle either to a close or to it's logical end?

Iran won't get access to Thorium until the expansion.

"the expansion"? I don't know what that is.

We could give them thorium or they could buy it from India or one of the other countries with huge thorium reserves.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 04, 2012, 07:19:19 AM
why don't we just send our SCVs straight into their base to be hit with neural parasite? geez
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2012, 07:24:36 AM
They need to get more peasants chopping lumber so they can build a stables.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2012, 09:49:41 AM
Kinda disgusted to see the shitty local newspaper here endorses Romney: http://www.newsday.com/opinion/editorial-elect-mitt-romney-president-of-the-united-states-1.4182689 (http://www.newsday.com/opinion/editorial-elect-mitt-romney-president-of-the-united-states-1.4182689) . Not that print really matters in this day and age.

Nassau/Suffolk is a VERY slightly democrat area (the republicans here are more along the lines of really rich businessmen/wallstreet types rather than redneck bible thumpers) so this is disappointing to see. What I'm more worried about is their support for Altschuler for 1st congressional district. Bishop (who has been our congressman for the last 8 years or so) came within 560 votes of beating Altschuler, a "pro business" person who owns an outsourcing company.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 10:56:36 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 04, 2012, 07:19:19 AM
why don't we just send our SCVs straight into their base to be hit with neural parasite? geez

Bronze league problems
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 04, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
Iran would already have nukes if they had used MAF's old engineer rush build.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 03, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2012, 04:37:35 PM
Quote
@ppppolls: Our final Washington poll finds the state is likely to approve gay marriage- 52% support it, 42% are opposed
:rock

More like:
 :hump

Wife and I did our part by voting Yes on 74.


:rock MARRIAGE EQUALITY :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 04, 2012, 12:56:21 PM
Ditto- marriage equality rules #1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 04, 2012, 12:59:41 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 04, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
Iran would already have nukes if they had used MAF's old engineer rush build.

That was a classic Kohan match!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2012, 01:47:49 PM
If you needed any proof that a contentious presidential election was just a few days away, this appeared in the NY Post:

Quote from: New York Post
But Christie does need to go one step further and reassure his party -- and not just his party -- that he hasn't turned coat.

[...]

Yes, Christie has forcefully avoided politicking post-Sandy -- as he noted when asked about his praise for Obama.

And he was right to do so.

But true bipartisanship includes the need to make clear his belief that the incumbent's vigorous response to the disaster would have been more than matched by Mitt Romney had he been president.

lulz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on November 04, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
I cant wait till this thing is over. My accounting professor thinks he is Jon Stewart and will not shut up. Heaven forbid Romney wins, we'll never hear the end of it. He's also the worst teacher I have ever had in my life. Go figure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 04, 2012, 05:04:13 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/dont-blame-mitt-romney

Quote
Others are blunter. A conservative operative deeply involved with the web of outside groups spending heavily on Romney’s behalf expressed frustration recently at the failure of the flood of money being spent to move the dial.

“You keep throwing money at the problem and it just doesn't resolve,” he said a few weeks ago of the ongoing efforts to damage the president of the United States with expensive ad campaigns.

After the storm, the same operative remarked, “Obama is just the luckiest man that ever lived.”

au revoir America :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 04, 2012, 05:12:29 PM
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After the storm, the same operative remarked, “Obama is just the luckiest man that ever lived.”

Ya, because a devastating hurricane always results in a boost for the sitting President's popularity. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: FlameofCallandorReturns on November 04, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
Wow, NCAA and madden players are the most likely to vote. Who would have thought.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2012, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 04, 2012, 05:12:29 PM
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After the storm, the same operative remarked, “Obama is just the luckiest man that ever lived.”

Ya, because a devastating hurricane always results in a boost for the sitting President's popularity. 

The right is beyond bitter that Obama isn't getting hammered over Sandy like Bush got hammered over Katrina.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 04, 2012, 05:04:13 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/dont-blame-mitt-romney

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Others are blunter. A conservative operative deeply involved with the web of outside groups spending heavily on Romney’s behalf expressed frustration recently at the failure of the flood of money being spent to move the dial.

“You keep throwing money at the problem and it just doesn't resolve,” he said a few weeks ago of the ongoing efforts to damage the president of the United States with expensive ad campaigns.

After the storm, the same operative remarked, “Obama is just the luckiest man that ever lived.”

au revoir America :usacry

u mad, rich people?  :geoff

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 06:10:08 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2012, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 04, 2012, 05:12:29 PM
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After the storm, the same operative remarked, “Obama is just the luckiest man that ever lived.”

Ya, because a devastating hurricane always results in a boost for the sitting President's popularity. 

The right is beyond bitter that Obama isn't getting hammered over Sandy like Bush got hammered over Katrina.

"People got mad at Bush's FEMA for being so incompetent, but nobody gets mad at Obama's FEMA for doing a good job? WTF? ":maf :maf :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 06:12:13 PM
Even Mittens sees the writing on the wall:

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-possible-obama-could-win-202109103--election.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 04, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Just early voted, fucking california putting 11 props on the ballot. No wonder it took me an hour and a half to get into the voting booth.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2012, 06:16:51 PM
Most elections now have a plethora of bs propositions or state constitutional amendments put on there by fringe groups and cloaked in phony language. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 04, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
Yeah the descriptions had absolutely no detail. Luckily I read up on them a week ago and had my choices written down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 04, 2012, 06:21:37 PM
Yeah my state has a bunch of stuff on the ballot to try to chip away at the gay marriage thing.  Since it's very difficult constitutionally to get rid of it (especially since there is a public majority favoring it here), they're doing what they can to make it easier to repeal it.  So much work to make sure two dudes can't marry. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 04, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
Yeah the descriptions had absolutely no detail. Luckily I read up on them a week ago and had my choices written down.

Yeah its getting really bad. The average joe can barely understand them or what they are trying to do. Which is often the entire point of them. They are purposely vague so the politicians who support them can leverage more power off of them. In florida the amendments are largely Republican backed schemes.

http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/nov/04/florida-voters-find-ballot-amendments-confusing-ar-553550/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AMArKqMPg

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2012, 06:50:26 PM
Hehe, Mitt is an asshole.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on November 04, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
I cant wait till this thing is over. My accounting professor thinks he is Jon Stewart and will not shut up. Heaven forbid Romney wins, we'll never hear the end of it. He's also the worst teacher I have ever had in my life. Go figure.

hmmm most professors I encounter in business classes are quite conservative, although I get the impression many aren't republicans. They seem pretty down on Romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2012, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
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where are all the JP games? I don't really play any of that aside from ME :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2012, 07:21:17 PM
It's based on Facebook "likes."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdoZ5tONfyw

A few days ago Morris claimed the storm was indeed helping Obama's numbers, and just might win him the election. Mere days later he releases a complete retcon of his previous statement. It's pretty obvious he got some angry responses from his followers  :lol

seems to prove that he'll always have a prominent role during elections. His job isn't to accurately predict elections, it's to tell the far right what they want to hear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2012, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
A few days ago Morris claimed the storm was indeed helping Obama's numbers, and just might win him the election. Mere days later he releases a complete retcon of his previous statement. It's pretty obvious he got some angry responses from his followers  :lol

seems to prove that he'll always have a prominent role during elections. His job isn't to accurately predict elections, it's to tell the far right what they want to hear.

I read a piece by Krugman other day, where he was saying that it's entirely possible that some of these guys like Karl Rove are more interested in profiting off the culture war than actually winning it. He also linked to this article on right-wing hucksterism that made for a good read.

http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 04, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
Will there be any traction for this story about Romney staffers locking people in a freezing stadium so they wouldn't leave before Romney's speech?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
The story in question:

http://americablog.com/2012/11/romney-staff-refusing-to-let-frostbitten-children-leave-pa-rally.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Americablog+%28AMERICAblog+News%29
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
From what I understand the Secret Service also wanted people to stay, so I'm not sure it was done for political reasons. More info should come out
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on November 04, 2012, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AMArKqMPg

:usacry

There actually isn't anything going on behind those eyes is there? All he does is mechanically smile and slowly moves his head from side to side. How the fuck can anyone find that charismatic?  :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 04, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on November 04, 2012, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
A few days ago Morris claimed the storm was indeed helping Obama's numbers, and just might win him the election. Mere days later he releases a complete retcon of his previous statement. It's pretty obvious he got some angry responses from his followers  :lol

seems to prove that he'll always have a prominent role during elections. His job isn't to accurately predict elections, it's to tell the far right what they want to hear.

I read a piece by Krugman other day, where he was saying that it's entirely possible that some of these guys like Karl Rove are more interested in profiting off the culture war than actually winning it. He also linked to this article on right-wing hucksterism that made for a good read.

http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con


There's always been this inside baseball debate among liberals about whether some of the idelogues on the right actually believe the things they say or not. And its always been a rather moot debate imo. Idealogues say the things they say because they want the world to function in a particular way. This has only increased in this day and age where people look for news to confirm their own opinions rather than actually be informed. So its all one big ball that's completely intertwined at this point. If there are almost no consequences for lying. You can make money by lying. And a part of you wishes most of the things you were lying about were true. Then its kinda like the best of all worlds. It's like getting paid to troll.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 04, 2012, 09:19:50 PM
What's with the USA chants?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2012, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Diunx on November 04, 2012, 09:19:50 PM
What's with the USA chants?

USA is pretty awesome, breh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2012, 09:32:15 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
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D3 gamers :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2012, 09:40:22 PM
Quote from: Diunx on November 04, 2012, 09:19:50 PM
What's with the USA chants?

It's the standard shout-down line at conservative rallies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 09:56:59 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2012, 10:08:08 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 04, 2012, 10:12:28 PM
"whelp, on the plus side,the next 15 years couldn't possibly be more pointless than the last".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 04, 2012, 10:14:01 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on November 04, 2012, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2012, 07:22:08 PM
A few days ago Morris claimed the storm was indeed helping Obama's numbers, and just might win him the election. Mere days later he releases a complete retcon of his previous statement. It's pretty obvious he got some angry responses from his followers  :lol

seems to prove that he'll always have a prominent role during elections. His job isn't to accurately predict elections, it's to tell the far right what they want to hear.

I read a piece by Krugman other day, where he was saying that it's entirely possible that some of these guys like Karl Rove are more interested in profiting off the culture war than actually winning it. He also linked to this article on right-wing hucksterism that made for a good read.

http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con

Good article.  There's a few ultra conservative family members that donate to these useless organizations.  They also read chain e-mails to get the "real news." 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2012, 10:20:13 PM
I feel like there's a certain minimum standard of intelligence, and you fail that test by voting Republican.  Unless you're a filthy rich sociopath, which I guess I can understand if not get behind.

Other than that though, I'm just not going to fuck you if you vote Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 04, 2012, 10:28:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltCIEbLMaQg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
Seems like most of the cute girls I know are Republican, Libertarian, or don't give a fuck about politics. The politically active dems I know tend to be frumpy :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 04, 2012, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 04, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
Seems like most of the cute girls I know are Republican, Libertarian, or don't give a fuck about politics. The politically active dems I know tend to be frumpy :(

*Insert any footage of SE Cupp here*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
Looks like a whole shit ton of people owe Harry Reid an apology

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 04, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AMArKqMPg

:usacry

I'd say this was out of Idiocracy, but President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho's administration was more receptive towards people trying to save the environment.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Mitt Romney to America: That's A Nice Country You Got There. Be A Shame If Something Happened To It (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/11/mitt-romney-to-america-thats-nice.html)

Quote from: Boogie on November 04, 2012, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 04, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
Seems like most of the cute girls I know are Republican, Libertarian, or don't give a fuck about politics. The politically active dems I know tend to be frumpy :(

*Insert any footage of SE Cupp here*

Of all the conservative females who display cognitive dissonance, my little S.E. does so the most adorably.

:heartbeat

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2012, 11:22:14 PM
Quote from: fryinghigh on November 04, 2012, 10:54:06 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 06:23:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6AMArKqMPg

:usacry

I'd say this was out of Idiocracy, but President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho's administration was more receptive towards people trying to save the environment.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2012, 12:37:49 AM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trurl on November 05, 2012, 01:28:19 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 04, 2012, 08:38:08 PM
The story in question:

http://americablog.com/2012/11/romney-staff-refusing-to-let-frostbitten-children-leave-pa-rally.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Americablog+%28AMERICAblog+News%29
I have to be honest, I found that kind of funny.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on November 05, 2012, 01:32:40 AM
It amuses me that Nate Silver gets so much hate for his 85% prediction, but Sam Wang is predicting a 99% chance (http://election.princeton.edu/) of Barry winning.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2012, 02:55:01 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on November 05, 2012, 01:32:40 AM
It amuses me that Nate Silver gets so much hate for his 85% prediction, but Sam Wang is predicting a 99% chance (http://election.princeton.edu/) of Barry winning.

Probably cause no one knows who Sam Wang is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 09:09:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYJt1j5q3w
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
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If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn't conservative enough I'm going to go nuts. We're not losing 95% of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we're not being hard-ass enough."

-- Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC),


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if final polls from The Economist/YouGov are correct, President Obama will win 303 electoral votes.

The final Reuters/Ipsos polls suggest Obama will win 294 electoral votes.

The final Public Policy Polling surveys point to an Obama landslide of 332 electoral votes

PPP could be made to look pretty foolish in a few days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 05, 2012, 10:28:05 AM
came to the conclusion to vote for good ole Mitt last night at like 3 AM :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
I may align with Jill Stein on issues, but running around getting arrested doesn't strike me as behavior id want from someone who wants to lead an entire country down paths you potentially don't get to come back from. Honestly I just hate polarized individuals thinking its totally an ok way to be. It's a horrible, lazy way to be.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 05, 2012, 11:00:58 AM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
I may align with Jill Stein on issues, but running around getting arrested doesn't strike me as behavior id want from someone who wants to lead an entire country down paths you potentially don't get to come back from. Honestly I just hate polarized individuals thinking its totally an ok way to be. It's a horrible, lazy way to be.
Agreed.  The whole arrest debacle with her turned me off.  It reminded me of the dramatic antics of tea partiers and libertarians.  I'd like my Presidential candidate to stay composed and display rational actions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 11:02:45 AM
I could never vote for a party where Cynthia McKinney was your nominee just 4 years ago. At least Jill Stein is a step in a more coherent selection.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 05, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
I wouldn't consider it so much a vote for the Green Party as a vote for the candidate.  Stein, McKinney or anyone else should they ever be elected (lol) would still be beholden to the mainstream.  McKinney never had a chance anyways.  Truthers would get slaughtered in general elections lulz. 

Edit: Not that Jilly Stein or any third party has any legitimate chance. So this is a moot discussion anyways. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 05, 2012, 11:08:36 AM
gary johnson's twitter is full of references to him being a wasted vote, at one point he says he doesn't care what happens - maximum trollface for this niqa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 05, 2012, 02:55:01 AM
Quote from: bachikarn on November 05, 2012, 01:32:40 AM
It amuses me that Nate Silver gets so much hate for his 85% prediction, but Sam Wang is predicting a 99% chance (http://election.princeton.edu/) of Barry winning.

Probably cause no one knows who Sam Wang is.

He missed the social media bus whereas Silver jumped on pretty quickly. Both Silver and Wang were on NPR a couple weeks ago discussing the election and nearly every listener question was for Silver ha. Never mind that Wang was more accurate in 2008, only missing one electoral vote, and he also called 2004 correctly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 10:04:22 AM
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if final polls from The Economist/YouGov are correct, President Obama will win 303 electoral votes.

The final Reuters/Ipsos polls suggest Obama will win 294 electoral votes.

The final Public Policy Polling surveys point to an Obama landslide of 332 electoral votes

PPP could be made to look pretty foolish in a few days.

I haven't really had any predictions for this election. This is seemingly one of the closer elections of my lifetime relatively speaking on the face of it. I'd rather be Obama going into the final day than Romney but it wouldn't utterly shock me if Romney won.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 11:34:44 AM
Your vote should never be based on whether they 'have a chance'. It should be based on whether you agree/respect them and agree/respect the party they represent. People that peddle that 'wasting your vote' nonsense are just party zombies.

The real problem with third parties is even if there were a 'golden child' that could have a legitimate chance, the two parties would do all they could to undermine/usurp their position/power once they reached office. There would be little reward for them to actually legitimize this third option.  Maybe I'm just being too cynical ...

So, as other have observed, it would have to come from the bottom up .. rather than the top down. Good luck with that.


Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 11:29:05 AM
I'd rather be Obama going into the final day than Romney but it wouldn't utterly shock me if Romney won.

It would shock me if Romney won. It would legitimize 'the silent majority' in a HUGE way. I just don't think Obama is going to win in the landslide that PPP seems to be indicating.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2012, 11:42:44 AM
I dunno if I entirely agree with that- voting by principle in a system that doesn't allow that vote to count for a multitude of reasons...and ultimately at the end of the day there is a better choice than Romney- and if I have a choice i'll cast the vote that has the greater chance of producing an outcome I can live with.

Where we are socially, gays being allowed to get married in certain states etc is the result of years and years of the needle being nudged via candidates that don't represent the ideal in its ENTIRETY, but do at least represent it to a degree while still remaining viable within a system that will probably not change unless the voters get off their butt and do more than throw votes at a third party that is largely ignored. Plus as much as I agree that drastic sweeping changes will not occur as a result of Romney getting elected- the same could be said of someone like Jill Stein- so what's the gain by giving her my vote if it means I toss aside the chance of someone winning who will at the very LEAST continue pushing that needle towards the ideal I align with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
What odds are we giving that if Obama wins the Republicans will try and impeach him for Benghazi before January?  I'm saying 5-4.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 11:51:29 AM
In primaries I vote for the person. In general election I always vote for party. If the party candidate happens to be so objectionable to me that I can't vote for him then I don't vote at all for that particular office. I'm not saying that's how others should do it but that's how I do it. That being said I have voted for Dems I knew had no chance simply because I liked them.

I see almost no circumstance of where I would vote for a third party candidate with the way our political system is structured. It is indeed a wasted voted imo but people are free to waste their votes.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
The thing about voting for third parties is that most people I know who do vote for a third party don't do shit politically the rest of the time.  They just get mad every few years and vote Green, complain, and that's it.  Simply voting isn't really doing anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
What odds are we giving that if Obama wins the Republicans will try and impeach him for Benghazi before January?  I'm saying 5-4.

Before January? 10-to-1
But by Summer 2013? 1-to-1

I said that to T yesterday - 9/11 gets Bush re-elected, but Benghazi will get Obama impeached. Because it's not a 2nd Democratic term without impeachment proceedings!

It's too bad the Republicans are gonna be butthurt about Sandy for the next 50 years, when the polls, momentum, and reality never gave Romney much of a chance even BEFORE Obama did the same thing he's been doing for the past four years (responding to things competently and presidentially)

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/nov-4-did-hurricane-sandy-blow-romney-off-course/

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Changes in social issues have almost all come from the state and local level. The national parties pay them lip service but do very little to actually enact change. If you think about the amount of lip service they have paid (gay rights, anti-abortion, etc) to these groups over the decades versus the actual legislation they have passed, it is very small.

The big changes usually have come at the state level through legislation or ballot initiatives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 11:58:19 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
The thing about voting for third parties is that most people I know who do vote for a third party don't do shit politically the rest of the time.  They just get mad every few years and vote Green, complain, and that's it.  Simply voting isn't really doing anything.


To be fair I think most people who vote for the two major parties are the same way but I hear you. For a third party to be truly viable you would have to go way above and beyond the call to actually have people consider them relevant. It's a stereotype but a lot of people who vote third party come off in that hipster manner of being so above it all which annoys a lot of people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
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It's a stereotype but a lot of people who vote third party come off in that hipster manner

I think you're being a little too quick to catergorize third party voters in such a simple way. I completely understand those that voted for Nadar in 2000 as opposed to Al Gore. Nadar is actually a genuine reformer with a remarkable career and Gore was just another rich kid, bore, corporate shill.

I understand people that would vote third party this year also. Obama is probably the furthest right the Democrats have ever elected and Mitt Romney has no real libertarian cred to speak of.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2012, 11:50:52 AM
What odds are we giving that if Obama wins the Republicans will try and impeach him for Benghazi before January?  I'm saying 5-4.

5-4, huh? Sounds like the conservative split in the Supreme Court. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
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It's a stereotype but a lot of people who vote third party come off in that hipster manner

I think you're being a little too quick to catergorize third party voters in such a simple way. I completely understand those that voted for Nadar in 2000 as opposed to Al Gore. Nadar is actually a genuine reformer with a remarkable career and Gore was just another rich kid, bore, corporate shill.

I understand people that would vote third party this year also. Obama is probably the furthest right the Democrats have ever elected and Mitt Romney has no real libertarian cred to speak of.

I agree - I voted Nader in 2000 out of hipster spite and being in a non-swing state. HOWEVER, if there's one thing 2000 should have taught us, it's put paid to the argument that "Republicrats" are all the same, in the pocket of corporate interests, etc. There's no denying they overlap more than the political theater would have you believe - but it's also impossible to take seriously the argument that a 2000-2008 Gore presidency would have responded to 9/11 the same way, gotten us mired in multiple wars in the Middle East, turned to torture so quickly and unrepentantly, etc.

Feel free to vote your conscience, but also understand the actual consequences of your vote in the Electoral Vote-based American political system. That's all I ask.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 11:55:01 AM
It's too bad the Republicans are gonna be butthurt about Sandy for the next 50 years, when the polls, momentum, and reality never gave Romney much of a chance even BEFORE Obama did the same thing he's been doing for the past four years (responding to things competently and presidentially)

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/nov-4-did-hurricane-sandy-blow-romney-off-course/

Krugman had a great article about that:

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/opinion/krugman-sandy-versus-katrina.html?ref=opinion&_r=1&
Like Mr. Clinton, President Obama restored FEMA’s professionalism, effectiveness, and reputation. But would Mitt Romney destroy the agency again? Yes, he would. As everyone now knows — despite the Romney campaign’s efforts to Etch A Sketch the issue away — during the primary Mr. Romney used language almost identical to Mr. Allbaugh’s, declaring that disaster relief should be turned back to the states and to the private sector.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
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It's a stereotype but a lot of people who vote third party come off in that hipster manner

I think you're being a little too quick to catergorize third party voters in such a simple way. I completely understand those that voted for Nadar in 2000 as opposed to Al Gore. Nadar is actually a genuine reformer with a remarkable career and Gore was just another rich kid, bore, corporate shill.

I understand people that would vote third party this year also. Obama is probably the furthest right the Democrats have ever elected and Mitt Romney has no real libertarian cred to speak of.

I'm more just talking shit. In the sense that you run into your wacky friend who votes third party or people in the internet. Of course there are dedicated members who belong to third parties who want to change America. Hell politically I'm more in line with Noam Chomsky than regular democrats. That being said I'm also not crazy. I fully understand that normal regular people don't vote for Noam Chomsky's or Rush Limbaugh's. And the problem third parties have is both a structural one because of the nature of our political system and often a basic failing simply on rhetoric where the argument is sometimes over simplified to voting for somebody utterly inexperienced just because that's better than the establishment alternatives.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
Romney has also never, EVER, not once, not even during his best day of polling after the first debate, been ahead in EVs. And Obama's positive momentum - slow, but steady - returned about a week later. This is not a tossup, or too close to call - this is a remarkably stable election where Obama never dipped below the critical threshold once.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 05, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 11:34:44 AM
Your vote should never be based on whether they 'have a chance'. It should be based on whether you agree/respect them and agree/respect the party they represent. People that peddle that 'wasting your vote' nonsense are just party zombies.

The real problem with third parties is even if there were a 'golden child' that could have a legitimate chance, the two parties would do all they could to undermine/usurp their position/power once they reached office. There would be little reward for them to actually legitimize this third option.  Maybe I'm just being too cynical ...

So, as other have observed, it would have to come from the bottom up .. rather than the top down. Good luck with that.

Not necessarily.  If it's a close election and you know it's not going to matter AND (especially this one too) you live in a swing state, not voting for you ideal candidate is just fine.  There is very real risk sometimes.  For example, I live in Texas so I might throw my vote to Jill Stein or whoever.  But if I lived in Ohio I would suck it up and play the logical game of voting for the person that fits closest to my ideals.  It's the game of essentially voting against the other guy.  For some that's a very real priority that doesn't necessarily make them a party zombie.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 12:23:56 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
Romney has also never, EVER, not once, not even during his best day of polling after the first debate, been ahead in EVs. And Obama's positive momentum - slow, but steady - returned about a week later. This is not a tossup, or too close to call - this is a remarkably stable election where Obama never dipped below the critical threshold once.

Yeah, this wasn't a sharp jump up for Obama, rather it's been a slow and steady climb back to where he was right before the first debate. There's a ton of factors involved there, one of them being that even the slightest amount of digging will reveal that Romney is not a likable person in the slightest. I think the first debate surprised a lot of people initially, because it gave them the impression that Romney was actually a respectable candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 05, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
I feel like the "it's soooo close" narrative is purely the media wanting to keep its viewer ratings up.  :lol


Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 12:17:27 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
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It's a stereotype but a lot of people who vote third party come off in that hipster manner

I think you're being a little too quick to catergorize third party voters in such a simple way. I completely understand those that voted for Nadar in 2000 as opposed to Al Gore. Nadar is actually a genuine reformer with a remarkable career and Gore was just another rich kid, bore, corporate shill.

I understand people that would vote third party this year also. Obama is probably the furthest right the Democrats have ever elected and Mitt Romney has no real libertarian cred to speak of.

I'm more just talking shit. In the sense that you run into your wacky friend who votes third party or people in the internet. Of course there are dedicated members who belong to third parties who want to change America. Hell politically I'm more in line with Noam Chomsky than regular democrats. That being said I'm also not crazy. I fully understand that normal regular people don't vote for Noam Chomsky's or Rush Limbaugh's. And the problem third parties have is both a structural one because of the nature of our political system and often a basic failing simply on rhetoric where the argument is sometimes over simplified to voting for somebody utterly inexperienced just because that's better than the establishment alternatives.


It was understandable to vote for Nader in 2000, but still, in light of what happened for 8 years after that, I feel burned and will never vote Green again.  I can also admit a bit of idealism/social insecurity behind my vote, since I was 18 and influenced by the cool people with dreads at my college (hippy, not hipster.)  I really had no idea what I was doing.  Nowadays, I vote Democrat in hopes that they can push back towards the left, closing the gap between them and the green party.  Because right now, the green party still sounds like some radical thing to people.  They need a name-change badly and need to fire their current PR people.   They seem to underestimate appearances in hopes of intelligence winning out...a fatal mistake in U.S. elections. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 05, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
But if I lived in Ohio I would suck it up and play the logical game of voting for the person that fits closest to my ideals.  It's the game of essentially voting against the other guy.  For some that's a very real priority that doesn't necessarily make them a party zombie.

This isn't a school levy issue where 7000 votes are cast. This is a statewide result where 6 million votes are cast (in the case of Ohio).  Even in it's closest year (2004) there was still a spread of 110,000 votes between the two candidates. There is almost no scenario where your vote is crucial in the grand scheme of things.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 05, 2012, 12:42:23 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on November 05, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
But if I lived in Ohio I would suck it up and play the logical game of voting for the person that fits closest to my ideals.  It's the game of essentially voting against the other guy.  For some that's a very real priority that doesn't necessarily make them a party zombie.

This isn't a school levy issue where 7000 votes are cast. This is a statewide result where 6 million votes are cast (in the case of Ohio).  Even in it's closest year (2004) there was still a spread of 110,000 votes between the two candidates. There is almost no scenario where your vote is crucial in the grand scheme of things.
I get what you're saying.  But there are also thousands of people that are having the same conflict.  It does add up.  This is akin to saying "everyone throws their trash out.  My gum wrapper out the car window isn't going to make a difference."  It probably won't but it's part of a collectively larger problem where if enough people say "ah fuck it, it doesn't matter" it actually starts to.  It's the same concept as voting for your candidate to maintain your principles.  Different side of the same coin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: Don Flamenco on November 05, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
I feel like the "it's soooo close" narrative is purely the media wanting to keep its viewer ratings up.  :lol

Of course it is. Gotta keep viewers watching and both campaigns pumping out those ad dollars.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2012, 12:45:40 PM
IMO, that is the driving force behind the hate toward 538.

"Hey! This dude is ruining our credibility ability to sell commercials!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2012, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2012, 11:53:04 AM
The thing about voting for third parties is that most people I know who do vote for a third party don't do shit politically the rest of the time.  They just get mad every few years and vote Green, complain, and that's it.  Simply voting isn't really doing anything.

And really that's fair criticism- I also don't give a shit about politics outside of donations/voting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
Quote from: Don Flamenco on November 05, 2012, 12:29:58 PM
I feel like the "it's soooo close" narrative is purely the media wanting to keep its viewer ratings up.  :lol

Of course it is. Gotta keep viewers watching and both campaigns pumping out those ad dollars.

Browsing the conservative blogs today, they all seem to think Romney's got this thing locked down. Every article is about him getting some huge endorsement from a newspaper (lol print media) or leading in some poll. No matter how this election goes, there's gonna be some bitter tears in our near future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2012, 12:49:32 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 12:19:50 PM
Romney has also never, EVER, not once, not even during his best day of polling after the first debate, been ahead in EVs. And Obama's positive momentum - slow, but steady - returned about a week later. This is not a tossup, or too close to call - this is a remarkably stable election where Obama never dipped below the critical threshold once.

bobobo that's not the narrative that pushes ratings!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:52:41 PM
Our political elections are so gross, yet so captivating at the same time. It's embarrassing what a spectacle we have made out of them. I'm surprised more people in the world don't scold us for having such a ridiculous, expensive circus every four years. Maybe they are just as captivated by it as we are.



Quote from: Joe Molotov® EDGE™ on November 05, 2012, 12:48:55 PM

Browsing the conservative blogs today, they all seem to think Romney's got this thing locked down. .

Our HVAC guy is a diehard and he is the same way. A month ago he predicted a landslide and Obama would only win 12-14 states. I didn't want to take the guy's money, so I bet him that if Obama wins, I would buy him a pint of ice cream.

Ice cream makes everyone feel better.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2012, 12:54:19 PM
People are absurd- the older I get the more removed I feel from the majority of folks. I'm not saying im too cool to fall for the same mental crap they do- im just saying I do what I can to mitigate its effects.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 01:07:41 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/h656sFg3RwW5TwVNLK1G7w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/155486090.jpg)

There's a sad metaphor to be made here ...

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 01:13:20 PM
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Actor and outspoken liberal John Cusack is developing a movie about conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, Cusack's production company said Friday.

The working title is "Rush," Cusack's New Crime Productions confirmed, offering no other details.

Hollywood director Betty Thomas, who's set to work on the film, said the production company is putting finishing touches on a script that will star the actor. Production is set for next year, Thomas said.

I don't think people would pay money to see this ...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 01:17:46 PM
The "Silent Majority" is largely a media creation imo. Polling was pretty sparse and bad in 1980, and Carter lost largely due to a bad economy and the Iran situation. The south didn't flip to Reagan because Christians decided to vote - it flipped because they switched from Carter to Reagan, among other reasons.

The bigger story will likely be Hispanic voters. If they come out in force, Obama will win handily. If they come out as expected by polls, Obama will still probably win, just with a smaller margin.

IMO
Obama 290
Romney 248

if Hispanic turnout is as large as Latino Decisions suggests
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/research-firm-says-historic-showing-among-latino-voters

Obama 303
Romney 235

(I don't think Obama will win Florida regardless)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 01:22:09 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 01:07:41 PM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/h656sFg3RwW5TwVNLK1G7w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/155486090.jpg)

There's a sad metaphor to be made here ...

Joe Biden no!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 01:34:11 PM
TA talking much rot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 11:34:44 AM
People that peddle that 'wasting your vote' nonsense are just party zombies.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
I think you're being a little too quick to catergorize third party voters in such a simple way.

:teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 01:54:43 PM
Pretty weak effort, Mandark. Usually you go and pull a quote from three years prior to 'make your point'.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 03:01:46 PM
Yes yes yes, the "I'm disappointed" gambit, to remind us all we're arguing on the internet.

But you pivot straight from "only mouthbreathing sheeple say that!" to "hey now, let's respect the nuance of their opinion and not generalize."  You seriously don't see this?  Like, really?



Also, movement on social issues involves a bunch of interaction between the different levels and branches of government.  Jim Crow was local and state, and eventually overridden by federal authority, but only when the other two branches were willing to enforce a years-old SCOTUS ruling.  Lots of women's rights came through the courts, integrating the military was an executive order, abortion is currently constrained by Roe v Wade, accommodations for the disabled are made locally in order to comply with federal standards, etc.  There are issues where you don't see major movement, but that's what you'd expect in a democracy on an issue where opposing sides have roughly equal support in both sheer numbers and motivation, regardless of institutional or party structure.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 03:01:46 PM
Yes yes yes, the "I'm disappointed" gambit, to remind us all we're arguing on the internet.

But you pivot straight from "only mouthbreathing sheeple say that!" to "hey now, let's respect the nuance of their opinion and not generalize."  You seriously don't see this?  Like, really?

You should see the gulf in disparity of the size and scope between the groups. One group is "everyone that votes for a third party" versus random people on the internet that say "you are throwing away your vote".

Why else would someone care how someone votes unless they are party loyalists and are concerned that it could effect their desired outcome? There just doesn't seem to be any other plausible explanation.

That being said, I only gave a few examples of when voting third party made sense. In 2008, it was pretty clear that Obama was the candidate that represented something different ... something better. Unless you were some hardcore libertarian-type.


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Also, movement on social issues involves a bunch of interaction between the different levels and branches of government.  Jim Crow was local and state, and eventually overridden by federal authority, but only when the other two branches were willing to enforce a years-old SCOTUS ruling.  Lots of women's rights came through the courts, integrating the military was an executive order, abortion is currently constrained by Roe v Wade, accommodations for the disabled are made locally in order to comply with federal standards, etc.  There are issues where you don't see major movement, but that's what you'd expect in a democracy on an issue where opposing sides have roughly equal support in both sheer numbers and motivation, regardless of institutional or party structure

It seems like you are just expanding on what I said. Change with social issues bubbles up from the bottom in a numerous amount of ways, but rarely (if ever) comes from the top down. By the time a national party fully embraces changes something it is already politically expedient to do so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 03:34:15 PM
Considering how few people vote third parties in the US, the second group is probably larger and more diverse.  And the only reason someone would care how someone else votes is cause they're zombies?  What?  This doesn't apply to people urging support for Stein and Johnson?  It's possible to care about the results of an election for reasons other than slavish tribalism, y'know, and starting a discussion from a presumption of bad faith on the other side isn't going to be terribly productive in most cases.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 03:59:11 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
It seems like you are just expanding on what I said. Change with social issues bubbles up from the bottom in a numerous amount of ways, but rarely (if ever) comes from the top down. By the time a national party fully embraces changes something it is already politically expedient to do so.

I think we're still a ways apart.

Look, if "change comes from the bottom up" means "national parties react to political pressures, and will only push for a policy when constantly harangued by interest groups within their coalition, and even then only when they're reassured that they won't inadvertently suffer a net loss by pissing off other constituencies," then yeah.  That's how it goes.

But if "change comes from the bottom up" means that most advances on social issues come at the state and local levels, and that this is a result of national-level politicians paying "lip service" to issues they don't care about, I gotta disagree.  The big wins on racial and gender equality came mostly from the federal level, through courts and legislation.  Even on gay rights, the big hope for marriage is a state ballot initiative being struck down by a federal court.

Also, national parties aren't completely separate from state-level activism; it'd be closer to the truth to say they're an aggregate of state-level groups.  Congressfolk are drawn largely from governors, mayors, state legislators, county executives, attorney generals, etc.  They come up through the same networks, answer to the same constituencies, and in many cases are literally the same people.  So it's not like politicians are being genuine when they try to restrict access to abortions on the state level, only to stop caring and start faking once they get to their House seat.  They're just dealing with a larger representative body, where neither their party nor the legislature as a whole is going to be nearly as ideologically or culturally homogeneous, so finding majorities is harder.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 05:25:11 PM
It's like you guys are an old couple now. One Jewish, one Irish
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
I thought we beat that habit of false equivalencies out of you a few pages ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 05:49:35 PM
Two men can't be compared to a couple? Didn't know you were so homophobic, Mandark :smug

Anyway I took the opportunity to get my afro cut today and naturally the barber shop was dominated by election talk (plus some bitter Lions fans as usual). There also was a popular urban radio station on and every commercial break was dominated by Obama ads and legal information about what to do if you're not allowed to vote.

I can now broadly confirm that the general feel in the black community is that "I ain't fucking with that gay marriage, but I'm definitely voting for Barack tomorrow." Note: nobody in the shop called him Obama, it was all first name basis
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2012, 05:51:24 PM
thats cause he's dere nicca
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 05:55:44 PM
There was also a bit of a debate about Michelle v Anne, but only one guy sided with Anne. I'm not gonna lie, I like older women and Anne is fine to me...but I gotta go with Michelle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
My white version: was bsing with some friends/ex-coworkers and ballot initiatives came up.  Everyone agreed that there's no reason to vote against gay marriage (still think it won't pass; this was a pretty young group) and nobody had super-strong feelings about the casino bill, which is getting most of the ad time.

One acquaintance said we should vote against Prop 4 (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Maryland_In-State_Tuition_Referendum,_Question_4_(2012)), the Maryland Dream Act, because it's "something to do with day laborers, giving them all the rights and stuff; all of them over in Langley Park really want it."

It's actually a bill that grants in-state tuition status for undocumented immigrants attending colleges in the UM system.  As long as they attended at least three years of high school here.  And can prove that they or their parents have filed state taxes.  And attend a community college for the first two years.

The guy saying this was a high school dropout.  Not sure if he has his GED.  I changed the subject to how soon the Skins' line is gonna get RG3 seriously injured.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2012, 06:06:46 PM
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Final Reuters/Ipsos state polls: Virginia (O 48, R 46); Ohio (O 50, R 46); Florida (0 47, R 48); Colorado (O 48, R 47)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 05, 2012, 06:23:59 PM
Even though the dynamics of this election aren't much different from the last few, it really dawned on me this time how the cultural dynamics are the defining factor now. It's blacks, latinos, and liberal whites versus conservative whites and that's going to be the defining dynamic for quite awhile. Which is kinda depressing especially if you live in the south where it often strictly comes down solely on racial terms.

On a completely unrelated note, my mother is a very proud Obama backer and went into a bakery recently. She often wears an obama hat and tshirt she got after the 08 election. The person behind the counter saw her hat and complimented her on it and asked her where she got it. Before she could answer a different white women behind my mother piped-in and said not to worry about it because he wasn't gonna be president in two weeks anyway. Knowing my mother that situation could have gotten nasty...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2012, 06:33:14 PM
Also, don't be too happy about Ohio:

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/04/14922984-ohios-husted-launches-11th-hour-scheme?lite

These fucking guys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 06:42:47 PM
wow

Scarborough repeatedly shouts ‘Benghazi!’ to block voter suppression talk
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/05/scarborough-repeatedly-shouts-benghazi-to-block-voter-suppression-talk/#.UJgBNOF06A0.reddit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 06:44:48 PM
Wasn't Scarborough fronting like a Reasonable Conservative recently?  Or am I thinking of some other blowhard?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 06:52:23 PM
He was until Romney won the first debate, at which point he went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Not long ago he sounded like he might not even vote for Romney, lamented the death of conservatism, ra ra why won't anyone listen to George Will etc

The funniest thing is that Romney gained in the polls by pretending to be a moderate (early and mid October), and none of the far right wingers had a problem with it because it seemed like he could win. If Romney loses I'd imagine they'll all complain that he wasn't conservative enough after all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
I wish Mika had her own show, I'd watch it.  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 07:22:38 PM
On one hand I feel bad the hosts treat her like a 10 year old on the show, especially Joe who is very condescending to her...but on the other hand she constantly does this "act dumb" schtick that makes it hard to defend her
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2012, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
I wish Mika had her own show, I'd watch it.  :-[
She's adorable.  :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2012, 07:39:04 PM
By adorable, I mean I want to frost her lady parts with my man juice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 05, 2012, 07:40:10 PM
The Baffler on Politico

http://www.thebaffler.com/past/come_on_feel_the_buzz/print

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Come On, Feel the Buzz
Alex Pareene

from The Baffler No. 21

To read more great writing from our past issues, click here.
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Last June, Joe Williams, a reporter for the political newspaper and web news site Politico, said on Martin Bashir’s MSNBC talk show that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney appeared comfortable only around white people. Conservative websites trawled through Williams’s Twitter feed and found other comments betraying a lack of respect for former Governor Romney, and Williams was quickly and rather publicly fired. Here’s how Politico’s founding editors Jim VandeHei and John Harris explained Williams’s cashiering in a company memo:

    Politico journalists have a clear and inflexible responsibility to cover politics fairly and free of partisan bias. This expectation extends to all of the public platforms in which we and our reporting and analysis appears, including cable TV and social media platforms like Twitter. Regrettably, an unacceptable number of Joe Williams’s public statements on cable and Twitter have called into question his commitment to this responsibility. His comment about Governor Romney earlier today on MSNBC fell short of our standards for fairness and judgment in an especially unfortunate way. Joe has acknowledged that his appearance reflected a poor choice of words. This appearance came in the context of other remarks on Twitter that, cumulatively, require us to make clear that our standards are serious, and so are the consequences for disregarding them.

Unless, that is, Politico managers themselves disregard them. In August, Politico reporter David Catanese defended GOP Rep. Todd Akin’s bizarre lecture on where babies come from. Akin, running for U.S. Senate from Missouri, revealed that he believed a common conservative myth: that in the event of “legitimate rape,” the female body somehow prevents pregnancy from taking place, thus negating the need for a rape exemption from a prospective abortion ban.

Catanese tweeted that the negative response to Akin’s comments was overblown, because “we all know what he was trying to say.” He continued digging, suggesting that Akin might have a point about this legitimate rape thing. After all, Catanese wrote, some unknown number of “reported” rapes are surely fake (though it’s not “PC” to admit as much), and it is certainly possible (not that he had checked out “the science”) that actual rapes are unlikely to lead to pregnancy. “The left is often 1st to shut down debate as ‘off limits’ when it deems so,” he finally tweeted. “Aren’t these moments supposed to open up a larger debate?” Catanese was reprimanded and taken off the Akin beat, but he kept his job.

The difference between these two episodes speaks volumes about D.C.-based access journalism and the highly toxic, incestuous variant of it that Politico has perfected. Or to put things a bit more baldly: in all likelihood, David Catanese and Joe Williams suffered divergent professional fates because the leaders of Politico are more concerned about losing access to the Romney campaign than they are about losing access to victims of rape.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHCzF1SWWg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2012, 08:28:16 PM
Even if the Republican Ratfuck Machine is in full gear and VA and OH end up going to Romney along with FL... Obama would still win with 272 ec votes. Romney has to pull of the FL, VA and OH trifecta along with winning another state.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 08:59:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHCzF1SWWg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2yMsIYWcwI

But when you got Kid Rock and Meatloaf, who needs Jay-Z and Springsteen?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 09:05:11 PM
I can't hate on the Kid. Although I gotta say I'm baffled that someone who defines Detroit is supporting a guy who would have allowed the city to die.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 09:14:15 PM
From within my liberal bubble, I ask thee: what is the Right's obsession with Benghazi? I mean, I get that it is REALLY unfortunate that four Americans died, and that the information on the ground was very confusing for the first 48 hours. But ... where's the scandal? Seriously, I don't get it. So I'm asking: what is the scandal the Right thinks happened/will be uncovered/will take Obama down?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2012, 09:16:29 PM
I tried to get an answer myself, and what the local Rushie told me was that Obama intentionally let the people in his administration die because if he would have sent troops or help or whatever, it would have "ruined the image Obama crafted of being able to tame the muslim world".

You might have better luck making sense of that than I did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 09:26:20 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2012, 09:14:15 PM
From within my liberal bubble, I ask thee: what is the Right's obsession with Benghazi? I mean, I get that it is REALLY unfortunate that four Americans died, and that the information on the ground was very confusing for the first 48 hours. But ... where's the scandal? Seriously, I don't get it. So I'm asking: what is the scandal the Right thinks happened/will be uncovered/will take Obama down?

Right now I think most of the outraged people could answer that, or rather wouldn't give the same answer.  It's just that Americans died, we already know that Obama's weak, pro-Muslim, and anti-military, so he must somehow be at fault.

Eventually the more industrious wingnuts will put together a narrative that they can agree on, which will then get repeated and spread through the usual channels.  Or maybe it'll be like Whitewater, where hardly anyone pretended to understand it, but were sure that something was fishy anyways.



PS I don't think impeachment comes up if the Dems have the Senate, at least without something better than this to hang it on.  House leadership, especially Boehner, isn't going to see much profit there.  I wouldn't wager a substantial amount of money, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
Because it's Obama's 9/11. But instead of 3000+ American's dying, it was 4. And instead of in America, the attack was on foreign ground. It all makes sense if you do the proper mental gymnastics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
And this is totally his fault, unlike 9/11 with Bush.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2012, 09:37:06 PM
This same person told me that Obama deserves all the blame for Bhengazi but none of the credit for getting Bin Laden (which should have went to Bush).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 10:02:53 PM
The scandal is basically

1) The embassy asked for additional security weeks before the attack and it went ignored
2) During the attack the White House allegedly did nothing while the four Americans begged to be saved. IE Obama let them die when he could have dispatched help

Basically they are accusing Obama of treason, there's no way around it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 10:05:21 PM
Yeah, they're accusing Obama of lying and of knowingly allowing Americans to be killed [and he even watched a live video feed of it and still did nothing].
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 10:08:15 PM
And laughing, a hardy muslim laugh while he did.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2012, 10:09:41 PM
something something pro-muslim anti-american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 10:15:51 PM
Yup, both Hannity and Beck literally told the SEAL's father that Obama watched his son die.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 05, 2012, 10:18:28 PM
A bunch of conservative coworkers are going to take the day off to go vote tomorrow.

It'd be totally tits if Obama won the electoral vote but Romney won the popular vote.  That's my dream scenario because the right wing noise machine would be cranked to 11 with all of the screaming and agony it would cause.  It would be hilarious :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2012, 10:18:53 PM
http://yourexcusesucks.com/

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2012, 10:15:51 PM
Yup, both Hannity and Beck literally told the SEAL's father that Obama watched his son die.

SMFH that is sick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2012, 10:39:34 PM
mccain was on piers "britarded" morgan claiming that benghazi was proof positive that al qaeda has returned to kill us all and only mitt can save us from them
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
That seems to be part of the larger meme: Obama's claiming that Al Qaeda's severely diminished, but it's actually resurgent and strong as ever!

Now, this seems to depend on conflating Al Qaeda with the various revolutionary/reform groups that comprise the "Arab Spring," and treating any non-secular Muslim organization or movement as the equivalent of a global terrorist network, but I don't think that's going to stop folks from going ahead with it anyways.


Also, Van Cruncheon consumes all sorts of media that my political GI tract couldn't handle.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2012, 11:13:47 PM
at the gym i have the choice of idiot mainstream media newschannels :-(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
I wish Mika had her own show, I'd watch it.  :-[

Polish milf??? I'll be watching it right next to you.

Also, according to the final simulations on 538, Florida has turned a very light blue :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 12:00:47 AM
Also, according to the final simulations on 538, Florida has turned a very light blue :hyper

:omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 01:09:27 AM
Simon Jackman and Drew Linzer, a couple other poli-quant geeks, were tweeting about how hard FL was to call.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 01:09:27 AM
Simon Jackman and Drew Linzer, a couple other poli-quant geeks, were tweeting about how hard FL was to call.

Not to worry - voter suppression makes predicting FL outcome easy. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 01:21:02 AM
By the way, Twitter parody account of the election is: https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 01:24:15 AM
As PD mentioned earlier, it would take an incredibly large latino turnout to take Florida. Not to mention Rick Scott is one of the shadiest mother fuckers going around.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 02:52:19 AM
Yup. How does a guy guilty of Medicare fraud win an election in Florida? Oh well, he'll be gone for sure in 2014. I just wonder if Obama will guarantee the dem primary isn't contested so Crist gets the nomination.

Hispanics are in the drivers seat for this election. If they show up we won't have to worry about Ohio - Obama won't need it anymore (thanks to CO and VA). If not then things get more stressful
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2012, 04:22:44 AM
I'm really nervous about tomorrow. I have a lot of work to do but I know I'm going to be listening to NPR and F5ing all day even though every contest I care about is already decided.

Goddamn modern distractions.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 06, 2012, 04:26:08 AM
POLLS OPEN IN AN HOUR AND A HALF
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2012, 07:18:54 AM
GOD JESUS IM NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SHIT ALL DAY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on November 06, 2012, 07:26:08 AM
I got to the polling station at 6. It took 40 minutes to actually get to a machine even though I was behind 9 people.

**Every year that I have voted, EVERY FUCKING YEAR since 1992 I have had to be behind one old shaky fuck who cannot follow simple directions.


**didn't have a chance to drink a cup of coffee.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archnemesis on November 06, 2012, 07:45:42 AM
Really? I guess that might explain the low voter turn out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 06, 2012, 08:24:32 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lNtlB.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 09:04:11 AM
I have to work tonight, so I'm gonna be streaming CNN most likely as I sit at my computer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:33:36 AM
I was going to do an early vote this morning but my alarm didn't go off. Now I have to go later in the day with all the other working schlubs.

#votersuppression

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 09:52:01 AM
I wonder how much work gets done on election day and why they don't just make it a holiday cause lets be real- wtfelse is anyone thinking about
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 09:58:12 AM
Quote from: Green Man on November 06, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM

Welp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 09:59:55 AM
I'm glad we have mail in ballots in WA- however, even then:

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/11/02/king-county-warns-that-gop-is-trying-to-collect-ballots
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 10:13:29 AM
Did my part today, . Of course, being from NY, my vote won't really do anything... but really fuck Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: Green Man on November 06, 2012, 09:53:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpGd74DrBM

Welp.

smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 10:47:01 AM
Should have replied "12-16 year olds don't vote."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 10:53:24 AM
Obama using Redmond politics to suppress the key Romney gay-bashing fratboy demographic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 10:54:54 AM
Took a little over an hour to vote. Pretty long line made worse by there only being a few poll workers. There were about 12 booths, which also made things longer

Best part was a Hispanic guy blurting out "his name is really Mitt I heard that niccas name was Willard."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
brb gonna go vote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
What interests me the most tonight:

1) Brown v Mandel
2) Brown v Warren
3) Mia Love wins?
4) Bachmann loses?
5) Willard vs Barry O
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:12:06 AM
Back from voting!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:19:03 AM
back from voting (and halo 4), couldn't bring myself to vote for Mitt, even though i'd rather see him in than Obama. also, Mandel all day > Brown
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 11:28:49 AM
Mitts just a bad choice- GOP needs to stop shoving their relatively normal folks out during primaries. I would have given Buddy Roemer the time of day- at least for a little while
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 11:40:18 AM
Yeah I really don't like Mitt. His disdain for the poor, minorities, single parents, the "47%", LGBT, etc. His supporters laughing at climate change while Sandy was tearing shit up over here. The fact that he's Mormon (a religion that makes evangelicals look like balanced individuals). Don't want a guy like that for president.

I have no qualms about voting for a third party but I haven't really found any third party candidate that appeals to me. Obama, for all his flaws, is still the closest to what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 11:48:28 AM
I'd take Mormons over evangelicals any day of the week.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
I think Mitt is actually a decent candidate if you look at his career/background prior to this election. But the amounts of evangelical/libertarian cock you have to suck to win the Republican nomination turns you into an unscrupulous, untrustworthy slimeball. The same kind of thing happened to McCain in 2008. Maybe Republicans will figure it out that you can't keep nominating former centrists and expect them to pander to the base the entire time. It's going to turn off 'centrists' every single time.

If Mitt Romney of 2012 ran in 1996, I probably would have voted for him over Clinton. But this is the wrong time/era for someone like Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:54:40 AM
It's worth noting that at end of the Romney's term as governor, pretty much the entire state hated him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 06, 2012, 11:57:03 AM
Alternatively, he could have grown a spine and told his party to shut the fuck up and let him run a campaign that was actually viable to the public, knowing that the tea party crowd would pinch their nose and vote for him anyway.  He pandered to the hard right long after primary season ended, and for what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 11:48:28 AM
I'd take Mormons over evangelicals any day of the week.

what about Baptists?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 11:58:49 AM
Depends on the state we're in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 12:00:49 PM
Don't know what tonight will bring. Empircially almost all signs look good for Obama, we'll see, but...

Wow, so weird that the right actually seem to truly believe in a coming Romney landslide. Not just putting up a front, not bluffing, not false bluster, not unity of message - they've truly constructed their own reality based on this based on almost nothing. Peggy Noonan:

Quote
Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.

how, what, huh ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 12:01:53 PM
i went to a Baptist prom once, instead of dancing there was a slideshow, and the afterparty involved some kids prank calling the cops like 12 year old brats which ended the night

their parents also wouldn't let their 16 year old son have Halo, the poor son of a bitch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 12:01:53 PM
i went to a Baptist prom once, instead of dancing there was a slideshow
newsfeed

Was it a slideshow of people dancing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 06, 2012, 12:00:49 PM
Don't know what tonight will bring. Empircially almost all signs look good for Obama, we'll see, but...

Wow, so weird that the right actually seem to truly believe in a coming Romney landslide. Not just putting up a front, not bluffing, not false bluster, not unity of message - they've truly constructed their own reality based on this based on almost nothing. Peggy Noonan:

Quote
Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.

how, what, huh ???

It's pretty incredible.

"Polls? Naw! It's all about the GUT! Or "vibrations" or whatever. BELIEVE!!!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 11:40:18 AM
His supporters laughing at climate change while Sandy was tearing shit up over here.

 :drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
I like having a strong defense, and don't have too much of a problem with conservative economic policy. But it's the social policy of the modern-day Republicans that completely and utterly repulse me. I remember McCain campaigning in 2000 and he seemed like a very decent candidate, until that whole move to the right to pander to the base occurred. Romney always creeped me out though in that "sleazy used-car salesman" way.

Of course, if the Republicans lose again they are only gonna say "bu-bu, Romney wasn't conservative enough!". Maybe next time they'll go ahead and finally nominate a Santorum :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 12:07:11 PM
Reading up on the election at the usual sites is pretty depressing. Lost ballots, voter intimidation, server shutdowns, long lines, confusing ballots, and on and on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 12:01:53 PM
i went to a Baptist prom once, instead of dancing there was a slideshow, and the afterparty involved some kids prank calling the cops like 12 year old brats which ended the night

their parents also wouldn't let their 16 year old son have Halo, the poor son of a bitch

Damn, that sucks. My prom was me grinding with my date and her best friend to ghetto Chicago house (this was seriously played at my prom). Long Island is a very very strange place for an outsider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXSSUROE_1U
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 06, 2012, 11:57:03 AM
  He pandered to the hard right long after primary season ended, and for what?

Campaign money and shoring up the south. Pretty solid reasons, tbh. But it doesn't appear to be a winning combination.

Quote from: Mamacint
Wow, so weird that the right actually seem to truly believe in a coming Romney landslide. Not just putting up a front, not bluffing, not false bluster, not unity of message - they've truly constructed their own reality based on this based on almost nothing. Peggy Noonan:

Yea, it's pretty baffling. I think they've convinced themselves that Obama is Jimmy Carter and 1980 is going to play itself out all over again. Neglecting to realize that the missing component in all of this is a candidate that can actually go into the midwest and steal away votes from his opponent.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 12:14:19 PM
i also went to a homecoming of a primarily back public school, much grinding was had, max bonas induced. also got head in the middle of an empty parking lot after another homecoming, so don't feel too bad for me.

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 12:02:50 PM
Was it a slideshow of people dancing?

of course not, dancing is the devil, a vertical incantation of wanton horizontal sin

spoiler (click to show/hide)
it was just pictures from the past school year of people i didn't know
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 06, 2012, 12:29:47 PM
ha ha holy god

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332579/crush-them-michael-walsh#
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 12:32:29 PM
If you want a good way to bounce around and read reactions: www.polurls.com is an impressive collection of blogs. Just click on Blue/Purple/Red links in the upper right hand corner to switch around.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2012, 12:36:36 PM
Tiesto wants a strong defense? Shocking.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 12:37:19 PM
Quote from: Eric P on November 06, 2012, 12:29:47 PM
ha ha holy god

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332579/crush-them-michael-walsh#

Haha, he almost had me a second. Funny parody. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 06, 2012, 12:36:36 PM
Tiesto wants a strong defense? Shocking.

Sarcastic post or no? For those that don't know, I'm in the industry.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 06, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
Are we changing the thread title tomorrow or when Romney is sworn in? 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
What interests me the most tonight:

1) Brown v Mandel
2) Brown v Warren
3) Mia Love wins?
4) Bachmann loses?
5) Willard vs Barry O

1 Brown wins
2 Warren wins
3 ...I'm guessing she wins just by party id?  Haven't followed the race too much
4 She wins, sadly
5 Obama wins with either 290 or 303 evs and around 51% of the popular vote
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:19:03 AM
back from voting (and halo 4), couldn't bring myself to vote for Mitt, even though i'd rather see him in than Obama. also, Mandel all day > Brown

I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just that fucking dumb

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just kidding, even if you're trolling you're that fucking dumb
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 06, 2012, 12:50:05 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:02:55 AM
What interests me the most tonight:

1) Brown v Mandel
2) Brown v Warren
3) Mia Love wins?
4) Bachmann loses?
5) Willard vs Barry O

1 Brown wins
2 Warren wins
3 ...I'm guessing she wins just by party id?  Haven't followed the race too much
4 She wins, sadly
5 Obama wins with either 290 or 303 evs and around 51% of the popular vote
Love is a district that has been Democratic for awhile.  I think they cut the most liberal section in half however (my old hood) and now it leans slightly Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 12:57:38 PM
Christ, I just looked at Utah's congressional map.  Salt lake is divided between 4 districts. :yuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 01:03:04 PM
Gerrymandering!  :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
anything I've missed so far?  Been in class/work for a few hours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 01:25:48 PM
I'm in a training/workshop all day today. Good thing for smartphones!

Also, my wife is staying in downtown Boston right by Romney's election party... should be interesting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 01:27:01 PM
Any early exit poll results so far?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 01:28:00 PM
http://wonkette.com/488748/fox-friends-new-black-panthers-back-and-intimidating-voters-by-holding-door-open-for-old-white-ladies (http://wonkette.com/488748/fox-friends-new-black-panthers-back-and-intimidating-voters-by-holding-door-open-for-old-white-ladies)
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
BLACK PEOPLE ARE SCARY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 06, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just that fucking dumb

and i'm not sure if you're really like this all the time or if it's just on the internet. being a miserable asshole, that is. what the fuck is your problem? and by that i mean explain why you think i'm "that fucking dumb"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: fryinghigh on November 06, 2012, 12:48:10 PM
Are we changing the thread title tomorrow or when Romney is sworn in? 

Let's wait until the Supreme Court votes are counted.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
anything I've missed so far?

Just widespread voting problems and a little shenanigans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 01:45:33 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
BLACK PEOPLE ARE SCARY

Only the ones who work out or are Sega fans.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 01:49:00 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
BLACK PEOPLE ARE SCARY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1-YnorKJsM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 01:41:03 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 06, 2012, 12:51:25 PM
I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just that fucking dumb

and i'm not sure if you're really like this all the time or if it's just on the internet. being a miserable asshole, that is. what the fuck is your problem? and by that i mean explain why you think i'm "that fucking dumb"

I am certainly a miserable asshole, that's not in dispute.

Why in fucks name would you vote for Rmoney?  Or ESPECIALLY Mandel?  Do you just think trolling is funny or can you point out specific policy positions Mandel holds (aside from attacking opposition recorders in front of reporters or being for you having access to more guns) that make him a superior choice to Brown?  Basically, I think you don't think at all beyond a few very limited issues, and that you're stupid in general.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
Romney because if Barack is re elected he will be able to appoint two new Supreme Court Justices, there are currently a ton of gun cases backed up waiting to go to the SCOTUS, and with both the Heller and McDonald cases being decided in favor of guns by a margin of 1 vote you can see which way it would swing in future cases, and with Barack suggesting a new AWB as well as a new "Saturday night special" ban of "cheap handguns" in the last debate there will be more cases, possibly ones that could last for forty or more years due to the lifetime or retirement Justice privilege.  yes I admit it was a very specific and limited reason to vote for Mitt, but its an important one for me.

voting for either of these establishment hacks is a losing proposition for more than just guns in the long run i believe.  a vote for Obama is like backing up the Titanic after it hit an iceberg to hit the same iceberg again.  a vote for Romney is like hitting an iceberg and steering it into another one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 02:07:55 PM
What about Johnson, drew?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 02:14:52 PM
that's who I voted for.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: demi on November 06, 2012, 02:19:59 PM
Quote
a vote for Obama is like backing up the Titanic after it hit an iceberg to hit the same iceberg again.  a vote for Romney is like hitting an iceberg and steering it into another one.

Get the fuck off Facebook. LOL
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
hehe :-[
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 02:31:41 PM
Biden is #1 with GGMILFs:

(http://i.imgur.com/M1QMI.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2012, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 12:47:03 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on November 06, 2012, 12:36:36 PM
Tiesto wants a strong defense? Shocking.

Sarcastic post or no? For those that don't know, I'm in the industry.

Just a little sarcastic.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 02:33:45 PM
It's going to be awkward for Democrats in 4 years when crazy old Joe still wants to run for President. Judging how things are trending, he will have a pretty stable economy to run on.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 02:35:00 PM
I dunno if i'd vote for Joe- then again if it's another doofus GOP candidate, why not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 02:36:51 PM
Joe's kinda like your grandpa. Yeah, he says inappropriate stuff sometimes, but you can always bet on him to take you out for some ice cream even though your parents already said "no."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 02:38:50 PM
Quote from: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121106/METRO/211060393
Democrat Kim Coonan, who has held the 6th District seat with the Bay County commission since 2002, on Tuesday is facing Republican Joe Davis, the 4th District's second-year representative. MLive.com reports the candidates offered differing accounts of the fight after Coonan took down Davis campaign signs.

Davis claims he was beaten to the ground outside Our Lady of The Visitation Parish after approaching Coonan, who threatened him.

Coonan denies he threatened anyone, and says he was defending himself. Coonan said Davis charged him, striking him before a "shoving match" ensued.

Geez. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 02:46:32 PM
Really id just think back to that VP debate and that'd be my vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 02:53:15 PM
I wasn't completely sold on Biden, but the guy's been vice-presidenting the shit outta this campaign.  The Dems should just reserve the VP spot for him until it gets to be a Strom Thurmond situation, if only for the pictures.


(http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gradebook/imagebrowser/view/imagecache/64400/Full)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 02:59:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y44D4etTxHk
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 03:09:06 PM
I would vote for Joe Biden to be in The Expendables 3.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 06, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
Biden is the realest President Marshall I can think of.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 03:23:08 PM
As I suspected, Drew's entire political philosophy comes down to "THEY'RE TAKIN MAH GUNS"

Aren't you hopefully terminal and will die before they get around to taking everyone's guns, or do I have you mixed up with someone else?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 03:39:03 PM
you have me mixed up, guns are like my favorite hobby, for you it'd be akin to them banning big black dildos because hey, who really needs that? feel me now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 03:40:30 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 03:49:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HHwnf.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 03:50:01 PM
dude's the shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 03:51:46 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 03:39:03 PM
you have me mixed up, guns are like my favorite hobby, for you it'd be akin to them banning big black dildos because hey, who really needs that? feel me now?

Equating guns with a penis surrogate :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 06, 2012, 03:55:38 PM
I love my guns but I believe when Obama talks about AWB's it's just lip service.  The same way it was lip service in 2008.  I don't doubt that he'd probably like to but the climate in the country is not ripe for another ban and Democrats aren't in any position to be taking an ass kicking for enacting one.  No one on Capitol Hill will back him up if he was to really push for one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 04:26:31 PM
god damnit Drew even I own a gun, and I've been a democrat all of my life
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 04:29:35 PM
THE METROSEXUAL KENYAN USURPER IS COMIN FOR MAH GUNZ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
I come from a family of gun owners and hunters and all of them are liberal.  There hasn't been a single indication that the Dems will touch gun ownership in the future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 04:45:01 PM
Dems have enough trouble getting stuff to pass that USED to be easy- there's no way gun ownership is at risk right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 06, 2012, 05:03:54 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484908_10151502963823574_122987860_n.jpg)

France :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 05:05:46 PM
Kenya proudly supporting their own, I see. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 05:06:37 PM
Damn, Romney is polling at nearly 20% in Kenya
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2012, 05:15:51 PM
gee, i wonder why pakistan is so anti-obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Elizabeth Waren's election party is at my wife's hotel.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 06, 2012, 05:28:50 PM
Voted straight Dem. One oddity was the county clerk being in the Dem line and the conservative line. First time putting a ballot in a computer. I wasn't too happy about that.

My son and daughter both voted for Romney in their class. No doubt they were indoctrinated by their grandparents. 1st grade was a landslide Romney victory 13-6 while Obama won 4th grade 14-11.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 05:32:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31FFTx6AKmU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
people diablosing already on gaf

PD in top form as per usual
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 06, 2012, 05:53:27 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Elizabeth Waren's election party is at my wife's hotel.

Is your wife going to crash the Romney victory celebration?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
people diablosing already on gaf

PD in top form as per usual

Yeah, I think I'll stay in here for my election night banter.

edit;  until this thing is called, and then if y'all could direct me on where I can find the bitterest tears in the land.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
If Obama wins, I will be disappointed at the lost opportunity of getting some revenue out of my spare bedroom, though.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 06:09:53 PM
MEDIA LOCKDOWN BEGINS...NOW

Keep me posted, Boritos. And when Mitt Romney gives a weepy, confused, angry concession speech, HOOK A BROTHER UP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
OMG!  Wolf Blitzer just introduced the CNN VIRTUAL SENATE!!!!!

CUTTING EDGE 1992 GREEN SCREEN TECHNOLOGY!OENONE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 06:27:02 PM
what, no holograms?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 06:48:15 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
If Obama wins, I will be disappointed at the lost opportunity of getting some revenue out of my spare bedroom, though.  :'(

And I'll miss the potential for an Odd Couple-style reality show when Triumph moves in, and the betting pool on what he'd do the forfeit the security deposit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 07:06:30 PM
CNN already projecting:

VT - O
IN - R
KT - R

VA - DEAD HEAT  :lol

basically: duh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
Stolen from GAF.

(http://i.minus.com/jT2DQtTuBudGc.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 07:23:52 PM
Looks like the filthy socialist is gonna get re-elected.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bernie Sanders in Vermont.
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 07:25:34 PM
Florida bouncing back and forth with ~15% reporting.  Gonna be a squeaker!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 06, 2012, 07:28:30 PM
come on mitt, lead this country to the future
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 07:30:01 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2n6dLqqF1rfgfeyo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on November 06, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
Obama is posting at Reddit instead of governing. (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12r7yb/reddit_this_is_important/)   :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on November 06, 2012, 07:32:19 PM
Obama is posting at Reddit instead of governing. (http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12r7yb/reddit_this_is_important/)   :usacry

reddit?  fuck, how do i unvote for him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 07:55:32 PM
little updates:

Obama surprisingly up by 6% in NC, but don't expect that to hold.
Obama has a steady lead in FL, but as I've read some of the panhandle precincts haven't reported.  Gonna be super close regardless.
Romney up in VA, but they're reporting super slowly and people are still voting in Fairfax, a strong dem firewall.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 07:58:51 PM
VA and FL are too close to call and Hispanic % of the vote is up from 9 to 10. Game, set, match - wake me when Romney concedes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
NRO says FL looking bad for Mitt :teehee

"slightly more for Obama than four years ago."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332804/not-so-much-sunshine-henry-olsen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
Oh man.  I'm gettin wood over here, you guyz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:07:57 PM
Wait there's more

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/preliminary-exit-polls-democrats-outpacing-independents-republicans-in

CNN is reporting on air that according to preliminary exit polls, the partisian makeup of the electorate in the swing state of Ohio is 39 percent Democrat, 30 percent Republican and 31 percent unaffiliated voters.

Won't you take me
To bonertown?
Won't you take me
To bonertown?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wait, I forgot that independents always break 80-20 for the challenger, so that's actually 55% Republican to 45% Democrat. Nobama. :(
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
NRO says FL looking bad for Mitt :teehee

"slightly more for Obama than four years ago."

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332804/not-so-much-sunshine-henry-olsen


That's my area. Nice.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 08:10:24 PM
not confident about florida yet, considering panhandle fucks haven't gotten their precincts in yet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:11:12 PM
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/11/live-blogging-election-night.html

8.05 pm. The Ohio exits give Obama a 51-48. O'Reilly is talking up Hurricane Sandy.

:drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
Obama doesn't need FL (and I expect it to go to Romney, in the end). But if FL and VA are close, then the other swing states are mortal Obama locks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 08:12:46 PM
oh certainly
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:15:20 PM
"Mitt Romney has only been campaigning for 8 years. If he'd had 3 more days last week, he would have had it in the bag!"

It's not that Sandy broke Romney's momentum; it's just that it reminded people that Obama is a decent, hard-working President and not a psychopathic Muslchuriam Candidate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:15:20 PM
Muslchuriam Candidate.
We could have used this two weeks ago :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/
(http://i.imgur.com/g5jQX.jpg?1)

Can someone 'splain this to me?

How is South Carolina a republican win, or even considered a lead, with those percentages?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
lol, Romney campaign party headquarters was playing "Let's get distinguished mentally-challenged" on Fox News.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 08:24:51 PM
Quote from: chronovore on November 06, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/
(http://i.imgur.com/g5jQX.jpg?1)

Can someone 'splain this to me?

How is South Carolina a republican win, or even considered a lead, with those percentages?

haha, yeah, saw that too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
because it's....south carolina

longer version: the precincts that reported in were lean obama, but when all is said and down, SC is nigh 100% likely for romney.  it's easy to call it for him
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:15:20 PM
Muslchuriam Candidate.
We could have used this two weeks ago :maf

I KNOW, RIGHT? Sorry. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
because it's....south carolina

longer version: the precincts that reported in were lean obama, but when all is said and down, SC is nigh 100% likely for romney.  it's easy to call it for him
So... huh? Even though it's historically likely that a republican will win there,it's still inaccurate graphically, isn't it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 08:30:38 PM
Quote from: chronovore on November 06, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 08:26:25 PM
because it's....south carolina

longer version: the precincts that reported in were lean obama, but when all is said and down, SC is nigh 100% likely for romney.  it's easy to call it for him
So... huh? Even though it's historically likely that a republican will win there,it's still inaccurate graphically, isn't it?

It's who they predict will win, not who's ahead at this moment in the counting. That being the case, giving S.C. to the Dems even temporarily does no usefulness to no one.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 08:35:30 PM
http://www.theonion.com/video/romney-wins-obama-reelected-supernova-destroys-ear,30258/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=fb-image:quote:default
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 08:36:45 PM
eek.  wonder what's going on with loudon county and fairfax.  come on VA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 08:39:56 PM
I know it's still close, but is Florida looking surprisingly good so far?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 08:40:42 PM
Man if WA passes both legalizing weed AND gay marriage tonight- so many butthurt conservitards hahah muhahahahhahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 08:45:35 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 08:39:56 PM
I know it's still close, but is Florida looking surprisingly good so far?

yes, for the most part.  miami dade hasn't reported yet and obama is leading by a smidge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 08:52:14 PM
Ed Rollins seems depressed as fuck on Fox News.  Can't muster any of that faux confidence it seems.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
Linda McMahon spent $200mil to lose two senate races in a row :rofl

good to see Lieberman's old seat going to an actual democrat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 08:57:25 PM
Senate looking a'ight. Got a probable D-caucasing I in Snowe's ME seat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 08:58:17 PM
Anyone got a non NBC stream?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 08:59:54 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20009190
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:00:34 PM
Romney not performing very well in northern  VA, not near McCain's numbers.  Bams got this ish
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:01:09 PM
C-SPAN/Politico reports Romney campaign is extremely worried about Virginia.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 06, 2012, 09:01:49 PM
all the exit polling about the youth turnout, the party ID samples and latino vote are beautiful, just beautiful.  Not that I'm listening to those notoriously unreliable exit polls or anything.

but fuck. Just beautiful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
MI for Barry O called right away - that bodes well for OH no?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 09:04:17 PM
sheeeeeit, Florida within 3k votes now.

edit:  and in the time it took to write that, obama pulled ahead to 15k. lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:04:33 PM
Michigan for Obama :smug

I did my job
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:04:49 PM
NBC calls MA for Warren!!!!!

:rock :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
Elizabeth Warren projected winner in MA senate race
:drudge
:bow :bow :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 08:55:12 PM
Linda McMahon spent $200mil to lose two senate races in a row :rofl

good to see Lieberman's old seat going to an actual democrat

She should have challenged Chris Murphy to an "I Quit" match.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 06, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
Has Mittens won yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:13:16 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 06, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
MI for Barry O called right away - that bodes well for OH no?

No, MI is more like Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:14:12 PM
christ, florida is going to be so fucking close.  possibly within 10,000?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:13:16 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on November 06, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
MI for Barry O called right away - that bodes well for OH no?

No, MI is more like Pennsylvania.

Eh? How so

PA is basically dominated by Philly. It's possible for a republican to win MI despite Wayne County (Detroit), whereas it's nearly impossible for a republican to win PA

issue wise MI and OH are similar
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:15:39 PM
Lol Fox calls Pennsylvania for Obama ... Way to waste your time mitt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:16:15 PM
especially this year, in regards to the auto-bailout issue

OH is obama's.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Quote
Elise Foley ‏@elisefoley
Exit poll: 74% of Colorado Latino vote goes to Obama: http://bit.ly/Rfzw96

Romney may be fucked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:14:58 PM

issue wise MI and OH are similar

I'm strictly speaking Presidential politics. Penn and MI have been in lockstep since 1980.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:23:14 PM
I can't believe how much time Romney wasted in PA. Especially after seeing McCain do the same thing four years ago. Wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 09:23:53 PM
Pennsylvania
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Quote
Elise Foley ‏@elisefoley
Exit poll: 74% of Colorado Latino vote goes to Obama: http://bit.ly/Rfzw96

Romney may be fucked

Keep demonizing the Latino vote Republicans. Thank god.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 09:24:01 PM
Allen West needs to lose- that'd cap off Elizabeth winning nicely
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 09:24:55 PM
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/auto-rescue-and-low-home-state-bonus-keep-michigan-out-of-play/

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/29/in-pennsylvania-the-democratic-lean-is-slight-but-durable/

MI and PA are really similar for presidential politics in the last 20 years.  Spending money in PA wasn't necessarily dumb for Romney, though; he's only going to win if something weird happens, they had a ton of money to spend, and any more ad buys in OH probably would have had returns diminishing to about zero.


Oh, and the guy from Unskewed Polls made his final prediction of Romney winning with 275 EV's.  His story didn't even address how huge a shift this was from his earlier predictions.  How disappointing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 09:25:00 PM
They're already fapping furiously on the MSNBC coverage. Someone needs to take one for the team and see what the Fox News coverage is like.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 09:25:30 PM
A quick update from Florida: It's going down to the wire. More than 48% of the vote has been counted and the candidates are deadlocked at 49.5% for Obama and 49.7% for Romney. Florida is a huge prize, with 29 electoral college votes at stake.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 09:24:01 PM
Allen West needs to lose- that'd cap off Elizabeth winning nicely

He's down right now. Let's hope. I want him and Joe Walsh to lose, bad. I won't get my hopes up about Bachman...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
Shit, Toledo is losing.

MAC football :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 06, 2012, 09:26:40 PM
a republican from the north east was never going to win anything in the midland states.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 09:27:46 PM
I'm not sure if Obama will come back and win VA (probably) but Kaine is definitely beating Allen at this rate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 09:28:33 PM
Quote
Rep. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) defeated Linda McMahon in Connecticut's election for U.S. Senate, projects the Associated Press.

Murphy was narrowly favored to win in the preceding days against McMahon, the former World Wrestling Entertainment CEO. She spent $42.6 million on the race, according to her recent campaign finance report.

President Barack Obama made a direct appeal for Murphy in a television ad released Friday. McMahon, buoyed by her lavish self-funding, flooded the state in television ads.

McMahon's own campaign material had urged voters to vote for her and Obama, despite the fact that she endorsed Mitt Romney for president and donated $150,000 to his campaign.

Murphy will replace retiring Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who was first elected as a Democrat before leaving the party in 2006. However, Lieberman had continued to caucus with the party.

Murphy was first elected to the House of Representatives in 2006 and served in the Connecticut legislature beforehand.

 :lol

Fuck you Joe Lieberman.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 09:28:46 PM
Obama's now up by 9k in Florida with 75.1% of the votes in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:30:52 PM
Wisconsin called for Bams, as well as Sherrod Brown in OH

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 09:30:59 PM
I'm not watching any of the TV coverage at all. Everything I need to see is either posted here or on Talking Points Memo.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
They already called it for Brown in Ohio? Obama has Ohio in he bag then.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:33:00 PM
Brown wins in Ohio. There's no way Romney wins there, wow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 09:34:01 PM
Man, where's Dan Rather when we need him? Some of these races are incredibly close!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 09:34:16 PM
82% of Florida counted with a 600 vote difference?  fuck. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
nah its over.  WI and NH have been called for obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 09:37:56 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
nah its over.  WI and NH have been called for obama.

depends which channel you're watching. :P

but yeah, I'm feeling good here.

Obama up by 10k in Florida on CNN's webpage right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 06, 2012, 09:38:00 PM
forgot to vote

oh well. would have voted for jill stein anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 09:38:10 PM
Latest Florida update has Obama back ahead by 14k.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 09:38:22 PM
http://www.king5.com/ - liberals swinging their massive balls in WA tonight- stay tuned to see if we get what we want.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2012, 09:41:05 PM
still waiting to see if missouri outlaws women tonight
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:41:50 PM
The only drama seems to be Florida and NC. Which seems inconsequential, but could greatly effect the narrative of this election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 09:42:35 PM
FOX BREAKING NEWS: GOP RETAINS CONTROL OF THE HOUSE!!!!!!!

President and Senate too close to call.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 06, 2012, 09:42:53 PM
i love how my state of NH isn't the only pussy state in new england and just hit blue for everything. :bow new hampshire
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 09:44:02 PM
Obama up 27k in Florida with 83% reporting...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 09:45:33 PM
Richard Mourdick is dead, I hope Akin gets the boot as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
Doesn't look too good for Akin, he's trailing by nearly 10%.

Which isn't nearly enough.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:47:03 PM
FL, eeeeeek!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
Ohio needs to have it's own results show and open them up tomorrow night in prime time and collect ad revenues. I'm a genius.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Elizabeth Warren projected to win. :bow Oklahoma Pride :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 09:51:24 PM
Wikipedea has called it: Elizabeth Warren wins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:51:47 PM
Florida seems like it'll be a recount
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Elizabeth Warren projected to win. :bow Oklahoma Pride :bow2

:bow

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:51:47 PM
Florida seems like it'll be a recount

And hopefully it won't matter.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
NH for Obama!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 06, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
NH for Obama!
hate this fucking shit state
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 09:53:57 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:51:47 PM
Florida seems like it'll be a recount

Wrong tab, Maurice.  This isn't GAF. :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 09:54:07 PM
Alot of the 16% of FL left to count is Miami-Dade  :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 09:54:28 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on November 06, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
NH for Obama!
hate this fucking shit state

 :lol   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:55:27 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on November 06, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 09:53:18 PM
NH for Obama!
hate this fucking shit state

you aren't a 400k+ american, how the fuck can you vote for romney
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 06, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
i have a brain for one and aren't a sheep
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Minnesota to Obama. Another place Romney wasted time in
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 09:59:20 PM
Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on November 06, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
i have a brain for one and aren't a sheep

derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on November 06, 2012, 10:02:53 PM
Voting was such a pain in the ass! Two and a half hours for a throwaway vote in LA.

Worth it. :smug

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 10:03:14 PM
Utah goes to Romney. Mormentum? :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 10:04:15 PM
Bronco Bama is now up by 42k in Florida with 13.4% of the votes left to count.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
We can now officially call the Massachusetts Senate race for Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren.

W00t
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
Has the hologram shown up yet :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
McCaskill drop kicked Akin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
fuck yes mccaskill
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
I live in Florida and despite early voting its likely the state will tip over to the Republican side this year anyway unfortunately.

So I doubt this will arise although it doesn't really matter. Republicans in the state will do whatever it takes to limit early in person voting or make the hassle to do it more in the future.

Here are the early voting totals in my county which is a pretty important Bellwether county for the state and the nation to a degree. Since 1960 its voted for the eventual winner in every election except for the 92 Clinton win.

http://www.voterfocus.com/hosting/hillsborough/ew_pages/Whats%20New/English/Early%20Voting%20Totals/2012%20General%20Election/Monday-%20October%2029,%202012.pdf

Here are the totals for my county with 346 of 347 Precincts Reporting.

Romney 46.17%   242,609
Obama  52.62%   276,504

That's not to far off from 2008 which is a bit of a surprise. Most projected it a lot closer to sort of signal how well Mitt was going to do in Florida.


Romney 45.94%   236,355
Obama  53.05%   272,963
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 10:08:47 PM
 :o

obama winning with 86% in for florida
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
McCaskill drop kicked Akin.

thank you lord jesus
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 10:12:35 PM
Are the dems going to get the senate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
So many Republican killed their chances this year when all they had to do to win was just to SHUT UP. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 06, 2012, 10:12:35 PM
Are the dems going to get the senate?

They've picked up 3 Republican seats already, so it's looking pretty good.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 10:15:27 PM
Fuck superstition, this shit is over.  Just a matter of running up the score.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
Quote
Three Florida Supreme Court justices easily won a retention bid Tuesday despite an unprecedented push by the Republican Party of Florida to oust them after several rulings the party disliked.

Justices R. Fred Lewis, Barbara Pariente and Peggy Quince each led about 67 percent to 33 percent with about 66 percent of the precincts reporting.

The Republican Party's executive committee had unanimously voted to oppose the three, warning they are "liberal" and "too extreme." It marks the first time a Florida political party has taken a position in a retention race.

"The very foundation of Florida's independent judicial system was threatened in this election. I am grateful that Florida voters once again demonstrated their faith in our fair and impartial judicial system," Lewis said in a statement Tuesday.

The justices' supporters, including some prominent Republicans, say the GOP is endangering judicial independence and that the three have done nothing that deserves removal.

"Floridians care deeply about ensuring that we have a fair and impartial judiciary untainted by partisan politics," Quince said in a statement.

Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who has been critical of the high court, would have appointed replacements from candidates recommended by a nominating panel, also appointed by the governor.

Emails and phone calls sent to the Republican Party of Florida and Americans for Prosperity, an organization that opposed the justices, were not immediately returned Tuesday night.

This is completely a local florida thing but it just goes to show exactly how these guys operate. In Florida there was a political attempt to remove a couple of supreme court justices because of the tea party types. Thankfully they failed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
Quote
Three Florida Supreme Court justices easily won a retention bid Tuesday despite an unprecedented push by the Republican Party of Florida to oust them after several rulings the party disliked.

Justices R. Fred Lewis, Barbara Pariente and Peggy Quince each led about 67 percent to 33 percent with about 66 percent of the precincts reporting.

The Republican Party's executive committee had unanimously voted to oppose the three, warning they are "liberal" and "too extreme." It marks the first time a Florida political party has taken a position in a retention race.

"The very foundation of Florida's independent judicial system was threatened in this election. I am grateful that Florida voters once again demonstrated their faith in our fair and impartial judicial system," Lewis said in a statement Tuesday.

The justices' supporters, including some prominent Republicans, say the GOP is endangering judicial independence and that the three have done nothing that deserves removal.

"Floridians care deeply about ensuring that we have a fair and impartial judiciary untainted by partisan politics," Quince said in a statement.

Republican Gov. Rick Scott, who has been critical of the high court, would have appointed replacements from candidates recommended by a nominating panel, also appointed by the governor.

Emails and phone calls sent to the Republican Party of Florida and Americans for Prosperity, an organization that opposed the justices, were not immediately returned Tuesday night.

This is completely a local florida thing but it just goes to show exactly how these guys operate. In Florida there was a political attempt to remove a couple of supreme court justices because of the tea party types. Thankfully they failed.
Where was it that Judge lost his retention bid because his name was hispanic?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
Rove is horrible on television. Doesn't get his points across very well and is hard to look at.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on November 06, 2012, 10:30:00 PM
Rove not meant for HD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 10:31:01 PM
Tim Kaine wins in VA. Dems are dominating the senate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2012, 10:31:48 PM
I have a raging headache for some reason so I think I'm going to call it a night. Hopefully I don't wake up in the morning to a nasty surprise. Night boys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 10:33:53 PM
John King desperately trying not to call this for Obama already.  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 10:39:43 PM
Sounds like Obama won Cuyahoga County (Ohio) with 70%. If true this is over
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 10:41:02 PM
Florida - with 90% tallied, Obama has the edge with 49.9% and Romney on 49.3%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 10:42:21 PM
:lol I love the BBC "Well when Fox news becomes pessimistic you know you are in trouble...if you're a republican."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 10:46:27 PM
No one with a combover should win an election. Sorry, Mr. Akin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2012, 10:48:42 PM
oh lord, now akins moved his concession speech into a bit about how obama is a liar who let americans die
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 10:55:01 PM
Obama maintaining his OH lead, catching up in VA as predicted.  If he can win FL too this will be an epic embarrassment for the GOP and a real punch in the testicles from hipsanics, who apparently turned out in droves to vote for not-the-gop.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 10:56:38 PM
Also- bummer about macaca, Allen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 11:01:39 PM
Fuck the news networks, it's Daily Show time!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 11:02:48 PM
Hopefully one of the lessons the GOP takes from this is to weed out the rapey candidates in the primaries.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 06, 2012, 11:03:55 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 06, 2012, 10:55:01 PM
Obama maintaining his OH lead, catching up in VA as predicted.  If he can win FL too this will be an epic embarrassment for the GOP and a real punch in the testicles from hipsanics, who apparently turned out in droves to vote for not-the-gop.

It just goes to show - when voting, always bet on Mupepe
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 11:04:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 11:02:48 PM
Hopefully one of the lessons the GOP takes from this is to weed out the rapey candidates in the primaries.
"Look guys, we're going to have to get rid of old, white, Christian, pro-life candidates"

Yeah, the 'pubs are fucked
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:05:25 PM
Mitt wins NC.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Akala on November 06, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
Fox collapsing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2012, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: Akala on November 06, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
Fox prolapsing.

Fixed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
Dems have 50 in the Senate, according to TPM.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2012, 11:12:44 PM
Santa Rosa County just came in, that's the last of the big red ones in Florida.  Bammer has this, just popped the bubbly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 11:13:30 PM
:bow MSNBC is calling Ohio and the election for Obama. :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Ohio just went.  Game.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on November 06, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
 :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
Fox just put Ohio in the Bronco Bama column. It's over.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 11:14:21 PM
Obama to Romney:

(http://i.minus.com/iF4uOdpjejM6z.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on November 06, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
So much for being so such a close election. lulz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:15:01 PM
Brit Hume just said "the President has won reelection."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
CNN STILL HOLDING ON TO THE HORSE RACE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 11:16:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 06, 2012, 11:16:51 PM
neighborhood is all gunshots now :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 11:17:05 PM
Quote from: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 11:15:17 PM
CNN STILL HOLDING ON TO THE HORSE RACE

WOLF NEEDS THIS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 11:17:17 PM
I just unskewed in my pants.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BTQa5.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 06, 2012, 11:18:22 PM
Is weed legal now?

The lesson here is: latinos hate fucking mormons and like light skinned black folks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 11:20:49 PM
not nearly as close as assholes thought it;d be
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2012, 11:20:49 PM
not nearly as close as assholes thought it;d be

How shocking!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
(https://untappd.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/2012_11_07/ce5ac427cb29756eb7d8d341df5f7840_320x320.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 06, 2012, 11:24:45 PM
Beer? smh elections are celebrated with some hard spirits!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 11:25:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/defeated-man-victorious,30281/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 11:25:38 PM
Drudge Report just has the popular vote count and nothing else as the main headline. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2012, 11:25:46 PM
Mmmmm... deliciousness.  So glad Warren scalped that himbo Scott Brown.  If Obama holds onto FL and takes VA this will have gone about as well as possible after that first debate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:25:52 PM
The Romney camp is mad that Fox called Ohio. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 06, 2012, 11:25:56 PM
(http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww253/amhcard/obama6.jpg)

congrats to MMG's newest signee, 2Termz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 11:26:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/LpUbh.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
well, fuck.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 11:27:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XBOv5.jpg)

They mad.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 11:27:55 PM
Hide your guns Drew, hide your guns
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on November 06, 2012, 11:28:51 PM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 06, 2012, 11:27:55 PM
Hide your guns Drew, hide your guns

 :lol
Title: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on November 06, 2012, 11:29:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/OeKit.png)

:heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:29:50 PM
stuffing them into a PVC pipe as we speak!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2012, 11:30:43 PM
Run into the street and fire all your guns while they're still legal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2012, 11:31:32 PM
NYT still hasn't called it and until they do I am going to KEEP FEAR ALIVE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:31:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M6kdQtm4wE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 11:31:58 PM
We have the senate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2012, 11:33:25 PM
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We have the senate

Canada has invaded and occupied the U.S. Senate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 11:33:47 PM
Romney camp is denying the race is over  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2012, 11:34:27 PM
Hopefully for their sake the GOP tries to wrangle in more Hispanics or else this is about as good as it is going to get for them from here on out. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
donald trump lmao
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:37:55 PM
Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
donald trump lmao

Someone on MSNBC was laughing pretty loud when they read Trump's tweet. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:38:01 PM
msnbc is horrible right now, they have that bitch Rachel Maddow and that black guy with the big mouth that used to be a pastor or a prize fighter manager or whateverthefuck
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 11:38:05 PM
electoral matters until you lose- then its corrupt and popular vote should win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2012, 11:38:09 PM
from bbc

   

Members of the Fox News election desk are being interviewed live to respond to Karl Rove's suggestion that the race is still going on: "There just aren't enough Republican votes out there," one says.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:38:01 PM
msnbc is horrible right now, they have that bitch Rachel Maddow and that black guy with the big mouth that used to be a pastor or a prize fighter manager or whateverthefuck

Rachel is cool people- everyone else there is pretty blah....oh wait that alex lady is there right? shes hot- so is umm that professor lady- also hot. Thats why I watch MSNBC- one really good pundit and two hot women
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 06, 2012, 11:39:15 PM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:38:01 PM
msnbc is horrible right now, they have that bitch Rachel Maddow and that black guy with the big mouth that used to be a pastor or a prize fighter manager or whateverthefuck

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 11:39:25 PM
Oh shit gay marriage might actually win here in MD.

I don't wanna jinx it, but...  :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 11:39:29 PM
Friend I've known since Kindergarten on Facebook tonight:

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It is official: The United States of America has become a welfare state with more non-producers than producers.

Quote
As a business person I want to hire more employees, however governmental policy that may be heading my way will prevent me from doing so.

Marriage Equality in WA so far:

52.6% YES
47.4% NO

Really early.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:40:24 PM
Looks like Obama is still in a position to take Virginia, even though it didn't look like he was going to for most of the night.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 11:39:25 PM
Oh shit gay marriage might actually win here in MD.

I don't wanna jinx it, but...  :hyper

WA is looking shitty- im hoping its just too early but they arent showing return percentages on the news site- fuckin old religious rich people fuck em- fuck em and their fucks. I blame our last dem gov for mckenna prolly winning- why'd she have to be so shitty until that last bit at the end where she wasnt?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 06, 2012, 11:42:39 PM
b..but 1,000 years of darkness  :hans1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 11:43:05 PM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on November 06, 2012, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2012, 11:39:25 PM
Oh shit gay marriage might actually win here in MD.

I don't wanna jinx it, but...  :hyper

WA is looking shitty- im hoping its just too early but they arent showing return percentages on the news site- fuckin old religious rich people fuck em- fuck em and their fucks. I blame our last dem gov for mckenna prolly winning- why'd she have to be so shitty until that last bit at the end where she wasnt?

WA has an official election result app for iPhone and Droid. It's giving out numbers and percentages.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:43:20 PM
Tammy Baldwin has been declared the winner in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:43:58 PM
TPM put Colorado in the Obama column.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 11:44:53 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2012, 11:43:20 PM
Tammy Baldwin has been declared the winner in Wisconsin.

I just found out a little bit ago she's openly gay (1st Senator). Don't know how that's new info to me. That's pretty friggin awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 11:45:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfNajFYPljQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 11:46:59 PM
Are you guys watching Karl Rove on Fox? Holy shit, he is imploding
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:51:01 PM
Bizarro, msnbc commenting on the foxnews broadcast.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
kautcunt is fucking awful
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Momo on November 06, 2012, 11:51:32 PM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-31-worst-people-on-the-planet
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on November 06, 2012, 11:52:00 PM
Holy fuck! So happy about this!  I was really doubting he'd win a second term there for awhile.

Can't wait to listen to talk radio tomorrow morning on my way to work.  It'll be fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2012, 11:52:32 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 06, 2012, 11:51:01 PM
Bizarro, msnbc commenting on the foxnews broadcast.

I only caught bits of it on a stream but it (Fox) was awkward as hell.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 06, 2012, 11:52:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Owl0Z.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
Fox News called Ohio for Obama but has Romney with more votes there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 06, 2012, 11:54:46 PM
Rachel Maddow reporting that Karl Rove is trying to fight against Fox News projection live on Fox News is possibly the greatest thing ever.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2012, 11:56:32 PM
most right leaners on the media so far: "yeah bubububu he won't get shit done...um, fiscal cliff!!!!!!!!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 06, 2012, 11:58:52 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 06, 2012, 11:54:46 PM
Rachel Maddow reporting that Karl Rove is trying to fight against Fox News projection live on Fox News is possibly the greatest thing ever.

I'm gonna need a clip of this eventually.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on November 06, 2012, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2012, 09:05:26 PM
Elizabeth Warren projected winner in MA senate race
:drudge
:bow :bow :bow
Voting for her is the main reason I went out to the polls since MA is always Dem as fuck president wise. :hyper
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 12:00:28 AM
Karl Rove and Michael Barone are performing a re-enactment of Monty Python's parrot sketch, with Rove arguing that Romney's merely pining for the fjords.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:01:34 AM
Same sex marriage passes in Maine!!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2012, 12:04:32 AM
nyt finally calls it. now any chance he might still catch up in the popular vote so we don't have to listen to people kvetching about it for the next four years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:05:13 AM
My crazy friend on Facebook is at it again:

Quote
I can't wait to pay $8 for a loaf of bread in about 6 months......

Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 12:01:34 AM
Same sex marriage passes in Maine!!!!!

Fuck yeah!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 12:05:29 AM
Quote from: drew on November 06, 2012, 11:26:37 PM
well, fuck.

If the past 4 years are any indication, might as well turn your guns in now amirite???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 07, 2012, 12:06:00 AM
:bow weed is legalized :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
Hey, who wants to get really high and get gay married with me?

AP called Nevada and Colorado for Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 07, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
can't wait for the feds to start raiding mom and pop businesses because theyre selling weed.

:bow obama
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 07, 2012, 12:09:18 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 06, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
(https://untappd.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/2012_11_07/ce5ac427cb29756eb7d8d341df5f7840_320x320.jpg)
Quote from: Eric P on November 06, 2012, 11:52:34 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Owl0Z.gif)


I SO HAPPY.

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
Hey, who wants to get really high and get gay married with me?

AP called Nevada and Colorado for Obama.

BUT YOU'RE ALREADY MARRIED! THAT WOULD MAKE YOU A BIGAYMIST.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:10:27 AM
let me sodomozie you while I take a hit out of your large intestines

its legal you know holmes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2012, 12:04:32 AM
nyt finally calls it. now any chance he might still catch up in the popular vote so we don't have to listen to people kvetching about it for the next four years?

You're right, that will stop kvetching about this election for the next for years!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
BIG GAY MIST

Is that a soft drink?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2012, 12:12:53 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 07, 2012, 12:04:32 AM
nyt finally calls it. now any chance he might still catch up in the popular vote so we don't have to listen to people kvetching about it for the next four years?

You're right, that will stop kvetching about this election for the next for years!

Thanks, I like to think I'm a really astute observer of human nature.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:17:34 AM
Operation Benghazigate is all over my Facebook feed now. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:18:01 AM
haven't seen fox news' response yet...how has that been?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Pot is legal in Washington and Colorado.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 12:19:25 AM
omg trump
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 07, 2012, 12:19:35 AM
Was at Chili's with the members of an arcade-game-fan meetup.com group, they had CNN on and some semi-drunk girl at the table next to ours was shouting "yeah, Obama"... well needless to say I was talking to her a bit and she wanted to add me to FB :pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on November 07, 2012, 12:20:11 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 12:18:01 AM
haven't seen fox news' response yet...how has that been?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/11/for_the_ages_4.php (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/11/for_the_ages_4.php)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 12:21:57 AM
Has Rove gotten the ol' Shepherd's staff treatment?  I haven't seen him in the last 20 minutes, I was hoping for more meltdown....
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:23:30 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Pot is legal in Washington and Colorado.

:rock !!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 12:24:50 AM
No concession yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 07, 2012, 12:24:50 AM
No concession yet?

Sounds like in the next hour. Maybe.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 07, 2012, 12:24:50 AM
No concession yet?

Sounds like in the next hour. Maybe.

I wanted to stay up to watch the bitter tears, but I've gotta work tomorrow  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:27:27 AM
romney seems to want to wait while for VA and FL for some reason
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 07, 2012, 12:28:44 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Pot is legal in Washington and Colorado.

:bow Obama's America :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 12:28:46 AM
So next week?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:30:47 AM
Quote from: Diunx on November 07, 2012, 12:28:44 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Pot is legal in Washington and Colorado.

:bow Obama's America :bow2

Seriously. Even if Romney won, I'm in Washington, so he'd get a whole lot of fucking nothing done up here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 12:27:27 AM
romney seems to want to wait while for VA and FL for some reason

Dude's been running for president for the past 7 years of his life and was arrogant enough not to write a concession speech.  Of course he's going to be too much of a stubborn ass to concede.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:33:21 AM
according to multiple sources: romney never even wrote a concession speech, that's why it's take so fucking long for him to concede :rofl

dude actually believed "unskewed polls"
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Pot is legal in Washington and Colorado.

Not once Obama sends the DoJ in
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:34:43 AM
TPM says 53 seats for the Dems.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 07, 2012, 12:34:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eOxgK.jpg)



Yes.  YYYYYYEEEESSSSSSS. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:35:57 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:34:26 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
Pot is legal in Washington and Colorado.

Not once Obama sends the DoJ in

I don't smoke pot so it doesn't really matter to me, but it will make for interesting case in front of the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 12:39:01 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 12:33:21 AM
according to multiple sources: romney never even wrote a concession speech, that's why it's take so fucking long for him to concede :rofl

dude actually believed "unskewed polls"
:rofl

Romney tempted the Wrath of the Whatever from High Atop the Thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4rigI3FkwE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 12:39:11 AM
Obama has to wait for Mitt to concede before he can do his speech right?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:40:28 AM
AP just called Virginia for Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:42:00 AM
BROS Graves is tied with Bachman at 50% right now. omg come on, win this
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:42:00 AM
BROS Graves is tied with Bachman at 50% right now. omg come on, win this

zomg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 12:44:39 AM
 Ian Pannell BBC News, Boston

People have already started to leave the Romney HQ event, and the mood here is angry and ugly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:45:00 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:42:00 AM
BROS Graves is tied with Bachman at 50% right now. omg come on, win this

hnnnnngggggg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 12:47:08 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 07, 2012, 12:34:53 AM
trump.jpg

CNN edited out some of the juicier ones from their full screen jpeg, namely the one about how their needs to be a revolution, interesting...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 07, 2012, 12:39:11 AM
Obama has to wait for Mitt to concede before he can do his speech right?

There's no law or nothin', but it's how it's supposed to go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:48:19 AM
Romney's coming out in about 7 minutes!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:49:38 AM
Quote
@daveweigel
Allen West is now down by nearly 1000 votes.

please please please
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 12:49:45 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-announces-we-are-invading-iran-right-now,30279/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 12:49:38 AM
Quote
@daveweigel
Allen West is now down by nearly 1000 votes.

please please please

AHHHHH HNGGGGGG
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 12:50:54 AM
too realistic and therefore not funny, just sad
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 12:51:09 AM
http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/11/07/2012-was-the-moneyball-election/

Revenge of the nerds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:53:29 AM
NATE SILVER WAS RIGHT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 12:54:05 AM
silver and wang are gods
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:55:26 AM
Here's Romney!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 07, 2012, 12:55:32 AM
here comes Romney :hump :hump :hump
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
wow at that limp Romney crowd
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:56:41 AM
It's too bad Paul Ryan didn't lose his House seat, too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 12:57:35 AM
Mitt to marry Paul in one of the new gay states.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 07, 2012, 01:01:51 AM
Mittens has clones? :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 07, 2012, 01:02:07 AM
Paul Ryan is not amused.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:04:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvAAYjmqkE

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Vader is the Constitution and traditional marriage. :smug
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 01:05:23 AM
Wow, that was a really short concession speech.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:05:32 AM
ALLEN WEST LOST

YES
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 01:06:06 AM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 01:05:23 AM
Wow, that was a really short concession speech.

thank god
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:05:32 AM
ALLEN WEST LOST

YES

:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 01:07:30 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:05:32 AM
ALLEN WEST LOST

YES

uhhhhhhhh

oh man

i need a hummer NOW
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 07, 2012, 01:09:44 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:04:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRvAAYjmqkE

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Darth Vader is the Constitution and traditional marriage. :smug
[close]

Only good thing about the Special Editions....that music replacing Nyub Nyub.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:10:21 AM
https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/266018732764184577 (https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/266018732764184577)

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 01:11:42 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 01:07:30 AM
uhhhhhhhh

oh man

i need a hummer NOW

thinking about your probably hairy definitely dirty unwashed liberal college pitchfag crotch just make me dry heave
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 01:12:51 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
usually im pretty happy that i dont have conservatives fucking up my facebook feed, but tonight i really wish i had some bitter tears to drink up. all i got was a couple of "tomorrow is another day" posts. WHERE IS THE AGONY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 01:13:57 AM
Quote from: drew on November 07, 2012, 01:11:42 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 01:07:30 AM
uhhhhhhhh

oh man

i need a hummer NOW

thinking about your probably hairy definitely dirty unwashed liberal college pitchfag crotch just make me dry heave

I just got a chub
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 01:13:59 AM
Steele on MSNBC "No one saw this coming"

REALLY?

REALY?!?!

REA-FUCKING-LY!?!?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 01:16:38 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
usually im pretty happy that i dont have conservatives fucking up my facebook feed, but tonight i really wish i had some bitter tears to drink up. all i got was a couple of "tomorrow is another day" posts. WHERE IS THE AGONY

You could try outting Trump as a sister-fucker over twitter. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 01:17:00 AM
Well, I'm assuming he meant the republican leadership. Since he was speaking about that topic for most of his appearance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:18:01 AM
Nate Silver is gonna get some pussy tonight

spoiler (click to show/hide)
actually not really
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 01:19:10 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:18:01 AM
Nate Silver is gonna get some pussy tonight

spoiler (click to show/hide)
actually not really
[close]

he's gonna get some puppy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 01:21:23 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 01:13:57 AM
I just got a chub

and i just gave myself chapped lips from licking them so hard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 07, 2012, 01:22:43 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
usually im pretty happy that i dont have conservatives fucking up my facebook feed, but tonight i really wish i had some bitter tears to drink up. all i got was a couple of "tomorrow is another day" posts. WHERE IS THE AGONY

twitter hashtag #tcot.  Tears for days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 01:23:42 AM
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63975000/jpg/_63975823_505e9f63-202f-4ca5-a331-77f4bc64fc55.jpg?cachebuster=cb1352269392196)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 01:29:07 AM
Quote from: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 01:13:20 AM
all i got was a couple of "tomorrow is another day" posts. WHERE IS THE AGONY

sounds suspiciously like code for a plan to take up arms against the gubmint, please report it to your regional NSA and Homeland Security substation office
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:29:37 AM
Obama's up by about 500k in the popular vote now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 01:31:12 AM
The city close to where I live rejected a public school renewal. Fucking old people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on November 07, 2012, 01:31:21 AM
I love it when Prole brings the real real talk. That was a beautiful FB status update, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 01:37:10 AM
His girls have grown.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 01:42:03 AM
Some hot black wimmins in the background. :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
sasha obama....hng
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 01:47:59 AM
damn, obama is actually leading mittens by 500,000 votes here in MO with 81% reporting (http://i.imgur.com/htHUX.png?1)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:48:14 AM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2012, 01:47:03 AM
sasha obama....hng

Back off there, fistful.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:48:24 AM
Akin lost by 14% :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 01:51:24 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 01:31:12 AM
The city close to where I live rejected a public school renewal. Fucking old people.

Are you sure you're not a liberal? First saying Obama is the best president since Reagan in that other thread, and now this.  ???
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2012, 01:51:52 AM
some folks on my facebook were all POPULAR VOTE IS ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER earlier this evening- and well...a few hours later
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 01:52:58 AM
but the popular vote IS all that should matter
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:53:44 AM
Quote from: drew on November 07, 2012, 01:52:58 AM
but the popular vote IS all that should matter

I'm surprised at you, Drew, questioning the wisdom of the Founding Fathers like that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 01:57:26 AM
So every state except Florida has been called by now? SMH Florida.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 01:57:36 AM
RT if youd smash that chick with the flag stuck in her hair - while she left it in :drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
If Tester and Heitkamp can hold on in MT and ND, that's TWO PICKUPS NET for the Dems this year, which was unthinkable.  Could have won NV with a better candidate, too.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2012, 01:58:26 AM
Florida is just bad at this whole thing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:58:40 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 01:57:26 AM
So every state except Florida has been called by now? SMH Florida.

Apparently they stopped counting for the night in Miami-Dade.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:59:10 AM
Dang, Obama tore that speech up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2012, 01:59:42 AM
that'd be awkward if he just totally pooped his pants right now
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Shaka Khan on November 07, 2012, 02:00:04 AM
Quote from: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2012, 01:59:42 AM
that'd be awkward if he just totally pooped his pants right now

:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2012, 02:01:52 AM
I just cant imagine what the reaction in the room would be
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 02:02:20 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 01:57:26 AM
So every state except Florida has been called by now? SMH Florida.

its still people out there voting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2012, 02:03:05 AM
Obama dropped the motherfuckin' mic after that one, damn. Mad lyrics of fire
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 02:03:46 AM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 01:51:24 AM

Are you sure you're not a liberal? First saying Obama is the best president since Reagan in that other thread, and now this.  ???

Favoring school levy renewals  and noticing we have had an incredible run of sub-par presidents aren't 'liberal' positions.


Anyways, probably one of Obama's most powerful speeches. Shame that 70 percent of America was asleep and missed it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 07, 2012, 02:04:38 AM
I want Clinton to show up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 02:05:15 AM
For people who are wanting some confused, sad GOP/teahadist reaction, here's a guy I used to play cards/war games with in Wilmington.  He's actually ran for city council twice now as a far right lunatic candidate, losing easily both times. 

Quote
Today we all did our parts as Americans, remembering that voting is a treasured responsibility of freedom, paid for in the blood of soldiers that fight for us everyday. No matter what the outcome of the national race, I am proud of North Carolina standing for American ideals. I pray that our president will take a look at policies that will save our country and truly work to end the divisiveness that tears us apart. I am proud of my fellow Americans for making their voices heard, whether or not I agree with them... that is the American way. God Bless the United States of America.

I wonder if he was disappointed with NC in 2008?   :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: bachikarn on November 07, 2012, 02:07:46 AM
lol, Obama called Biden "America's Happy Warrior"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:10:22 AM
Obama's up by a million in the popular vote now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 02:10:47 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2012, 02:03:05 AM
Obama dropped the motherfuckin' mic after that one, damn. Mad lyrics of fire

Seriously.  He just killed it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 02:12:15 AM
yup, one of obama's best speeches.  dude does better when he has no pressure on him  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 02:13:17 AM
Fox is exploding lmao
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2012, 02:13:28 AM
‎'Obama could have ended that shit with "Let's hunt some orc!" and I would have flipped over the laptop and ran out the door.' - my pal burts on twitter :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 02:14:55 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2012, 02:13:28 AM
‎'Obama could have ended that shit with "Let's hunt some orc!" and I would have flipped over the laptop and ran out the door.' - my pal burts on twitter :lol
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 07, 2012, 02:15:01 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 01:53:44 AM
I'm surprised at you, Drew, questioning the wisdom of the Founding Fathers like that.

question everyone and everything, young grasshopper, even the good old boys aren't beyond reproach
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 02:13:17 AM
Fox is exploding lmao

What's going on over there now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 02:20:45 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 02:13:17 AM
Fox is exploding lmao

What's going on over there now?

First some dude got on complaining about Obama winning with 14% unemployment  :lol

Then there was a liberal female commentator being all smug, bringing up the aggregate polls never showing Obama losing all year (Fox panel tried to disagree, but she shut them down). She also mentioned the GOP doesn't represent what America looks like anymore, which made the panel throw a giant fit. I wish I caught her name, she was dropping bombs  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:21:42 AM
Why is Chris Matthews so mad?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 02:25:45 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:21:42 AM
Why is Chris Matthews so mad?

He's upset Obama didn't give Clinton a shout out during the speech, and didn't congratulate democrats. More "waah Obama won't backslap us" nonsense. Obama called Clinton to personally congratulate him immediately after getting off the phone with Romney.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:26:28 AM
He sounded like a angry old man shouting at clouds, basically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2012, 02:27:32 AM
Sorta pumped for a 2nd term, more than i thought i;d be, not just the hotfiya in that speech but how aides are talking about how they'll focus on selling their arguments to the people and negotiating from a stronger position rather than mistakenly hoping the R;s will negotiate in good faith. At least they might start off on the right foot
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 02:37:39 AM
I guess I need to go to bed now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 02:39:32 AM
military family friends, for the most part:

"plz pray for my brother, obama has sent him back to worl war.  muslim wars cost lifes"

that's verbatim
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 02:48:26 AM
OH SHIT CA repealed the three strikes law!!! god damn america, keep it up!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Bebpo on November 07, 2012, 03:02:50 AM
Yeah, but they didn't repeal the death penalty and the pesticide corps are gonna win and knock down genetic food labeling :\

1 step forward, 2 steps back; that's California.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 03:03:52 AM
Obama's about 1.5 million ahead in the popular vote now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 03:06:54 AM
DEAD HEAT
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 03:20:59 AM
basically my response to everyone spewing fox news points

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2n6dLqqF1rfgfeyo1_500.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2n6dLqqF1rfgfeyo1_500.gif)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2n6dLqqF1rfgfeyo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
Graves is down about 1000 votes to Bachmann  :-\  Scalping that crazy bitch would have been the perfect end to the night.

Looks like Alan West is gonna lose though.  Suck it you crazy motherfucker. 

332 EVs when it's all said and done.  Unskewed polls my ass.  Setting my alarm so I can enjoy Joe Scarborough's stunned expression tomorrow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 03:33:53 AM
4-0 on gay marriage.  I'm gonna make it a point to check out Maggie Galagher tomorrow. :D
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 03:34:02 AM
Damn Bachman probably will pull it off afterall.

Oh well, at least Allen West and Joe Walsh are gone. And LOL @ conservative darling (and black Mormon) Mia Love losing. ahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 03:39:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7E06ZACEAEZlWi.jpg)

DO YOU SPEAK IT, MOTHERFUCKER?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 03:41:48 AM
Bachmann just jumped to almost 3k :-(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 03:49:45 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md3yheXa841qbwtr5o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 04:13:31 AM
So remember this hit piece (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/331192/nate-silver-s-flawed-model-josh-jordan) on Nate Silver from the National Review, saying that he was tilting his model towards Obama?

The author of that, Josh Jordan, predicted (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332472/romney-wins-tuesday-josh-jordan) a Romney victory by 2 points, with wins in CO, NH, WI, IA, FL, OH, and VA.

If you want to see the online record of someone having the ground give way beneath them, check out his twitter. (https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher)  It's delicious.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 04:17:04 AM
John Cole of balloon-juice said that his commanding officer from the Army who he's known and been good friends with for more than twenty years de-friended him from FB cause of Obama's win.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 04:17:47 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 04:17:04 AM
John Cole of balloon-juice said that his commanding officer from the Army who he's known and been good friends with for more than twenty years de-friended him from FB cause of Obama's win.

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That's awesome lol.
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Yeah, saw that. :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 07, 2012, 04:27:54 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 04:13:31 AM
So remember this hit piece (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/331192/nate-silver-s-flawed-model-josh-jordan) on Nate Silver from the National Review, saying that he was tilting his model towards Obama?

The author of that, Josh Jordan, predicted (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332472/romney-wins-tuesday-josh-jordan) a Romney victory by 2 points, with wins in CO, NH, WI, IA, FL, OH, and VA.

If you want to see the online record of someone having the ground give way beneath them, check out his twitter. (https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher)  It's delicious.

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Swing state polls didn't move as much as national polls,but clearly it changed dynamic. Will never know if Romney was on winning path or not

NO WE WILL NEVER KNOW! UNLESS WE HAS ELECTIONZ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 04:28:30 AM
So what do you guys see as the major legislation to come out of Obama's second term? I'm guessing it'll be pretty similar to Clinton's second term; Marginal tax rates will be reduced with some negligible and fairly useless loopholes being closed, and medicare/SS will be "reformed" similar to welfare reform under the Republicans.

I don't see particularly many good, new things to appear for liberals aside from one or two non-sociopathic SC nominees.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 04:34:58 AM
I'm pretty sure Scalia will die in his robe rather than let a Democrat appoint his successor.  Thomas is probably the same. 

Hopefully Kennedy can be replaced.  Ginsberg has shitty health, too.

No major legislation will be passed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 04:37:06 AM
Quote from: Obama's acceptance speech
You elected us to focus on your jobs, not ours. And in the coming weeks and months, I am looking forward to reaching out and working with leaders of both parties to meet the challenges we can only solve together. Reducing our deficit. Reforming our tax code. Fixing our immigration system. Freeing ourselves from foreign oil. We’ve got more work to do.

I'm interpreting that as a budget compromise with the House GOP* that restores the Clinton top marginal rate, the DREAM Act, and cap-n-trade or some other major green energy bill as the top priorities.

Also, to a large degree this election was about letting the Obama administration actually implement its major legislation from the first term, as Obamacare and Dodd-Frank could have been either repealed by Congress or undermined by the executive branch.



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Not in the sense of winning them over with sunshine and rainbows, but in that they have to compromise to get a budget at all, and raising the top marginal rate might be his sine qua non.
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Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 04:44:09 AM
Oh shit, also Iran.  Most big foreign policy decisions are reacting to surprises, but I really think that Obama and his team want to get on the path to de-escalation and normalized relations, and Khamenei might be ready to talk turkey.  There are still a billion reasons why it could fail, but I really expect/want/hope a major push on that front.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 08:03:00 AM
yeah i totally looked at the wrong numbers. of course MO did not go for obama; he lost it by 250,000 votes :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 07, 2012, 08:22:36 AM
I was watching Fox when they called Ohio and blondie looks off screen and says "What does that mean?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 08:28:17 AM
#tcot is pretty awesome.

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Obama won by dividing America. I hope his supporters know they're on their own now. The self-reliant half is DONE with them.

Atlas Shrugged is now a reality!! :o

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This is truly #war. If you're not up for it, you're the enemy not the foe. Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

Not sure this person knows what the word foe means.

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I guess now we'll experience what the Jews did when you turn your back to God. Book of Judges.

Bout to get Old Testament up in herr!

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Time to kick Chris Christie and Colin Powell out. Good riddance traitors.
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Did my duty, held my nose, voted for Romney-It wasn't enough. #GOP establishment is Hell-bent to run RINO candidates. We need CHANGE

Hell yeah! Let's get some REAL Republicans in here!

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Plz pray for all of us conservative students who have 2 go back 2 our liberal campus' today! We're about 2be put through the ringer.

Life ain't fair.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 08:37:28 AM
Fuck yeah. Woke up to good news and a lot of bitter tears from pundits. Lol at Rasmussen and Gallup polls. All hail Nate silver and Sam Wang.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 09:03:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/vQkY1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ou0nE.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 09:03:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ou0nE.jpg)

:rofl

Coffee through the nose. Thanks Joe!

Watching blondie from fox news walk back to some area to talk to 2 guys to confirm Ohio was in the bag for Obama was some delicious TV. Because hearing it from them wasn't enough. She had to ask them to their face. I saw Mitt's concession speach and it was a nice gesture. No booing from the crowd was pretty surprising.

There are a lot of liars caught last night. Let's not forget who they are!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 07, 2012, 09:24:18 AM
I saw Mitt's concession speach and it was a nice gesture.

Yeah, for a second I had this fear in the pit of my stomach that he might go out there and give an Akin-esque speech just out of spite, but instead he just gave a simple, gracious speech. Probably the best moment of his entire campaign.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 09:35:51 AM
Same. I thought he would come out and be like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkcoobYUu8g
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 09:41:07 AM
It's funny reading all the comments by casuals that the Republican party is in decline/bordering on obsolesence, yet in 2 more years they are going to be panicking when they make significant gains at the mid-term.

Also, I disregard a lot of the pundits that feel that Christie/Huckabee could have beaten Obama. I don't think they appreciate just how super-effective his campaign has been. Like he said in his speech last night ... historically superior to anything American politics have ever seen. There was no candidate that was going to match their efforts in the swing states and the fact they hit them so early on. Smart people are going to be looking at this 2012 campaign and taking notes.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 07, 2012, 09:42:25 AM
Feels good to listen to the radio this morning and hear the whining.  Feels good to see the solemn faces at work and know why.  Goddamn I love living in Texas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 09:43:22 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/math.png)

xkcd had this nice burn this morning
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
1. 5 year smear campaign
2. Citizens united
3. Voter ID attempted in 7 states
4. The most dishonest presidential campaign in my lifetime

:bow America prevails :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 09:51:39 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 09:41:07 AM
It's funny reading all the comments by casuals that the Republican party is in decline/bordering on obsolesence, yet in 2 more years they are going to be panicking when they make significant gains at the mid-term.

There is always over exaggeration after an election about the dominance of a party's coalition. Just a few years back a lot of Republicans were talking up the idea of a permanent Republican presidential coalition. That being said the basic slow moving reality is true that Republicans need something more. They are tapped out on how many white voters they can mine as the white vote declines as a percentage going forward. Which is not to say that going forward the democrats won't also have their coalition issues.

Quote from: Chuck Todd
Yes, the auto bailout mattered in Ohio. Sure, Hurricane Sandy helped the president. And, yes, the economy was the No. 1 issue. But make no mistake: What happened last night was a demographic time bomb that had been ticking and that blew up in GOP faces. As the Obama campaign had assumed more than a year ago, the white portion of the electorate dropped to 72%, and the president won just 39% of that vote. But he carried a whopping 93% of black voters (representing 13% of the electorate), 71% of Latinos (representing 10%), and also 73% of Asians (3%). What’s more, despite all the predictions that youth turnout would be down, voters 18-29 made up 19% of last night’s voting population -- up from 18% four years ago -- and President Obama took 60% from that group. The trend also played out in the key battleground states: The president won about 70% of the Latino vote in Colorado and Nevada, and he won 60% of it in Florida (a high number given the state’s large GOP-leaning Cuban-American population). On Monday, we wrote that demography could determine destiny. And that’s exactly what happened. While the campaign’s turnout operation deserves all the credit for getting these voters to the polls, the most significant event of this presidential contest might very well have been the 2010 census.

Obama’s demographic edge creates this dilemma for the Republican Party: It can no longer rely on white voters to win national elections anymore, especially in presidential cycles. Indeed, according to the exit poll, 89% of all votes Mitt Romney won last night came from whites (compared with 56% for Obama). So the Republicans are maximizing their share with white voters; they just aren’t getting the rest. And come 2016, the white portion of the electorate will probably drop another couple of points to 70%. Politico’s Martin puts it this way: “Battling a wheezing economy and a deeply motivated opposition, Obama still managed to retain much of his 2008 map because of the GOP’s deficiencies with the voters who are changing the political face of once conservative-leaning Virginia, Florida, Colorado and Nevada. Republicans face a crisis: the country is growing less white and their coalition has become more white in recent years. In 2004, George W. Bush won [about 40 percent] of Hispanics. Four years later, John McCain, the author of an immigration reform bill, took 31 percent of Hispanics. And this year, Romney captured only 27 percent of Hispanics.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 10:07:12 AM
I don't deny that the party has long-term problems, but short-term they should have no problems continuing on the same track and still competing nationally. Just like GWB's demographics were specifically his, Obama's are also his own. Every new cycle it shakes out a little different depending on the issues/candidates of that year.

If Democrats make the mistake of nominating Biden in 2016, they are easily susceptible to a Republican populist du jour taking states like Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida and winning the election. S/He's not going to have the same baggage that Romney carried into this election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
For those of you who missed this bit of comedy last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLV7nqD3CA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 10:13:17 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 10:07:12 AM
I don't deny that the party has long-term problems, but short-term they should have no problems continuing on the same track and still competing nationally. Just like GWB's demographics were specifically his, Obama's are also his own. Every new cycle it shakes out a little different depending on the issues/candidates of that year.

If Democrats make the mistake of nominating Biden in 2016, they are easily susceptible to a Republican populist du jour taking states like Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida.

I definitely agree that demographics are sometimes more related to the candidate rather than the party to a degree. I remember when Bush won like 40% of the latino vote people thought that was the beginning of the wave for Republicans. But it was an anamoly unique to Bush because he didn't demonize lationos and he had family members who were. For Democrats its hard to imagine for example that the next Democratic candidate will motivate blacks and other minorities in the same way. That being said a white candidate also won't lose as many white votes just by not being white. I like Biden but I also don't think he should be nominated either because I can see him losing a lot of the swing states as he doesn't carry the intangibles that Obama does. 

I wish Obama had just picked Hillary as his VP in 2008 and it would all be so much easier. She would crush on women who are voting more than men and also garner a large Hispanic and Black turnout.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
Let's be real, TA- in order to win a GOP primary, odds are you have to lie down and wallow in the much with the crazies.  Good luck capturing more latino vote when you can't get a non-teahadist through a primary.

If the GOP does have another good mid-term it will be because of obstructionist FUD and lower turnout amongst minorities and young people, same as in 2010.

Stoney, don't pin this on me but there IS a politically ambitious female Senator from NY... it's just her name isn't Clinton.  My girlfriend Kirsten :shh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 07, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
Stoney, don't pin this on me but there IS a politically ambitious female Senator from NY... it's just her name isn't Clinton.  My girlfriend Kirsten :shh

She came to my office last year and I got to shake her hand. :heart
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 10:36:12 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
For those of you who missed this bit of comedy last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLV7nqD3CA

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 07, 2012, 09:24:18 AM
Watching blondie from fox news walk back to some area to talk to 2 guys to confirm Ohio was in the bag for Obama was some delicious TV. Because hearing it from them wasn't enough. She had to ask them to their face.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLV7nqD3CA
:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 10:44:10 AM
Everyone is tongue-bathing Nate Silver today, but all the aggregators/tea leaf readers had this election right. RCP has been doing it for longer and have also been just as reliable. The only people that had it wrong (wildly so) are the party cheerleaders and pundits.

The amazing thing to me are just how close the pollsters get across the board in a massive election that has many different variables that can alter the results. It's really an incredible feat they pull off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 07, 2012, 10:51:54 AM
Great start we got here...Romney defeated.  I didn't listen to the acceptance speech, i don't need to be rallied or given a huge hit of hopium, i'm just waiting to see what actually happens. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 11:12:20 AM
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In approximately 25 years the whites will be a minority.  It is interesting that both conservatives and liberals believe that a country that is essentially Mexico/Africa will somehow not actually be Mexico/Africa.  An interesting experiment, that I will be watching from a safe distance.

 :drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 07, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
In local politics, nice to see Tim Bishop defeat Randy Altschuler by a 52-48% margin (their last race was extremely close and didn't get resolved for a few months). Seriously, everything I wanted to happen, politically, actually happened. Spent all last nite schooling all the repubs complaining about how all their hard working dollars are going to welfare queens :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 11:22:32 AM
Alan Grayson won his seat back!! :rock

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He noted Tuesday night to HuffPost that his turnaround is the biggest on record in the history of House. No other candidate had lost by 18 points in one year, only to turn around and win the next cycle by 25 -- a 43-point swing.

I can't wait to see him destroy people again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Don Flamenco on November 07, 2012, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 11:12:20 AM
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In approximately 25 years the whites will be a minority.  It is interesting that both conservatives and liberals believe that a country that is essentially Mexico/Africa will somehow not actually be Mexico/Africa.  An interesting experiment, that I will be watching from a safe distance.

 :drake

Afrikexico. 

Mexicafrica

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 11:33:31 AM
Obama's up about 2.7 million in the popular vote right now, a smaller margin than last time but still a clear victory all the way around, at least.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Dow Jones down over 350 points, welp America had a good run.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 11:39:51 AM
We'll all be dead in a month and half from giant meteors infected with gay space aids anyway, so it's not really a big deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
Thank god the market is tanking. I shorted Amazon when they had that bad earnings report and have been eating shit since.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
Dick Morris steps up to explain why he's not a complete sack of crap (Hint: Hurricane Sandy, Chris Christie, also how he was he to know minorities were allowed to vote!) Still waiting to hear if Dean Chambers has committed suicide.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2012-presidential-race/2012/11/07/dick-morris-why-i-was-wrong-about-2012-election

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I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker.

The key reason for my bum prediction is that I mistakenly believed that the 2008 surge in black, Latino, and young voter turnout would recede in 2012 to “normal” levels. Didn’t happen. These high levels of minority and young voter participation are here to stay. And, with them, a permanent reshaping of our nation’s politics.

lol @ Obama Squeaker

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But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe's fawning promotion of Obama's presidential leadership.
It made all the difference.

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If Romney couldn’t manage this trick against Obama in the current economy, no Republican could.

EVEN REINCARNATED RONALD REAGAN WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN AS HIS VP COULD NOT HAVE DEFEATED OBAMA!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 11:49:12 AM
I think it's hilarious that they are busy throwing their best 2016 candidate under the bus to cover their own asses.


No mention of Romney getting owned by early spending in the swing states? Can't believe these guys make money doing this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 11:51:22 AM
wrong thread
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 12:03:31 PM
In other news, Puerto Rico is probably the closest it's ever been to becoming the 51st state:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/puerto-rico-votes-on-whether-to-change-relationship-with-us-elects-governor-and-legislators/2012/11/06/d87278ae-288b-11e2-aaa5-ac786110c486_story.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 12:10:34 PM
I was hoping that the 51st state was going to be Gingrich's moon colony.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.

And LOL at anyone Republicans saying "we were simply too nice, next time we'll really bring it!"

What are they going to do, accuse Obama of being compicit in 9/11?  Bring firehoses to polling stations?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.
In large parts of the south it was always about racism. It's just their anger has reached the point where they don't care about trying to hide it anymore.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.

More so than the angry people, I find myself taken aback by the melodramatic ones that seem to be sad that -- by electing Barack Obama over Mitt Romney -- America is officially on an irrevocable downward trajectory. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got a one year old son. I don't like the thought of him having to chip in personally $100 millions dollars to pay down our debt to the Chinese and thus having to work in a labor camp in Beijing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.

And LOL at anyone Republicans saying "we were simply too nice, next time we'll really bring it!"

What are they going to do, accuse Obama of being compicit in 9/11?  Bring firehoses to polling stations?

Next time they'll find a candidate that will call out 49% of Americans as being worthless, filthy moochers.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 07, 2012, 12:37:47 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 11:49:12 AM
I think it's hilarious that they are busy throwing their best 2016 candidate under the bus to cover their own asses.

Are you suggesting Republicans aren't forward thinking
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 07, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: tiesto on November 07, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
In local politics, nice to see Tim Bishop defeat Randy Altschuler by a 52-48% margin (their last race was extremely close and didn't get resolved for a few months). Seriously, everything I wanted to happen, politically, actually happened. Spent all last nite schooling all the repubs complaining about how all their hard working dollars are going to welfare queens :P

vito "sexy workspaces" lopez won much to my dismay

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
I think the best news to come out of yesterday is the fact that the gay rights train is going full steam ahead.  It's pretty much unstoppable now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 12:51:06 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.

More so than the angry people, I find myself taken aback by the melodramatic ones that seem to be sad that -- by electing Barack Obama over Mitt Romney -- America is officially on an irrevocable downward trajectory. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've got a one year old son. I don't like the thought of him having to chip in personally $100 millions dollars to pay down our debt to the Chinese and thus having to work in a labor camp in Beijing.

To be fair I was pretty salty/depressed after the 2004 election. The most I've ever been politically.

Southern white men are hot because they live in a culture where all their peers around them feel the same way they do about everything culturally. So its inconceivable that Obama could win. And worse the world is going to hell in a handbasket with the gay rights and the weed and all the other stuff.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2012, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.

And LOL at anyone Republicans saying "we were simply too nice, next time we'll really bring it!"

What are they going to do, accuse Obama of being compicit in 9/11?  Bring firehoses to polling stations?

Next time they'll find a candidate that will call out 49% of Americans as being worthless, filthy moochers.

By the time the next election rolls around, Obummer's America will probably be comprised of 60% moochers. :violin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 07, 2012, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 07, 2012, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:25:19 PM
There are some salty motherfuckers out there right now, and it's interesting how much of it is swinging into blatant racism, rather than just dog whistles.

And LOL at anyone Republicans saying "we were simply too nice, next time we'll really bring it!"

What are they going to do, accuse Obama of being compicit in 9/11?  Bring firehoses to polling stations?

Next time they'll find a candidate that will call out 49% of Americans as being worthless, filthy moochers.

By the time the next election rolls around, Obummer's America will probably be comprised of 60% moochers. :violin

That should give us some sweet gains in the House then
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:55:44 PM
One of my military friends on facebook is talking about how soon we will all be dependent on the government for a paycheck, and all his military buddies are agreeing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2012, 01:01:44 PM
I thought this was interesting:

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A glance at the exit polls showed that Obama won the foreign policy question pretty handily. Only five percent of respondents thought that foreign policy was the most critical issue in this campaign — but of those five percent, voters went for Obama over Romney by 56% to 33%. Voters were also more likely to trust Barack Obama in an international crisis (57%-42%) than Mitt Romney (50%-46%).

That he won overall on NS isn't surprising, but I would've expected the 5% that listed it as the most critical issue to have visions of Ahmadeenajedidonnnn riding a nuke over Nebraska Slim Pickens-style
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
I think the best news to come out of yesterday is the fact that the gay rights train is going full steam ahead.  It's pretty much unstoppable now.

It's been pretty clear where the country was going on this in the future, but conservatives were still able to say that gay marriage had never won a public vote in any state and it was true.  Gay marriage advocates were oh-fer.  Now that's finally broken, and the big question in the decade or two ahead is whether this becomes a red-blue (or south-everywhere else) divide, or whether something happens on the national level through either Congress or SCOTUS to make it truly national.


Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 10:44:10 AM
Everyone is tongue-bathing Nate Silver today, but all the aggregators/tea leaf readers had this election right. RCP has been doing it for longer and have also been just as reliable. The only people that had it wrong (wildly so) are the party cheerleaders and pundits.

To be fair, Silver seems to have gotten the state margins better (and called Florida right) than RCP, and if we bring up the longer track record then we gotta mention that RCP circa 2000 (http://web.archive.org/web/20001212163700/realclearpolitics.com/Polls/polls-Electoral_11_06_EC.html) was basically the Unskewed Polls of its day.

Also, Christie isn't getting the nomination, regardless of his palling around with Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 01:09:46 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 01:07:43 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
I think the best news to come out of yesterday is the fact that the gay rights train is going full steam ahead.  It's pretty much unstoppable now.

It's been pretty clear where the country was going on this in the future, but conservatives were still able to say that gay marriage had never won a public vote in any state and it was true.  Gay marriage advocates were oh-fer.  Now that's finally broken, and the big question in the decade or two ahead is whether this becomes a red-blue (or south-everywhere else) divide, or whether something happens on the national level through either Congress or SCOTUS to make it truly national.

I bet it goes to SCOTUS in the next year or two. People are just chomping at the bit to challenge the decision in Iowa.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 01:14:52 PM
Might not have to wait that long.  There's a good chance SCOTUS will take up the Prop 8 and DOMA cases very soon.  I'd feel a lot better if Obama got a nominee in to replace Kennedy, but whadyagonnado?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 07, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
Did Gay Marriage come up in the debates?

Now the election is over will the Daily Show cover something else?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:36:11 PM
TLDR warning

I talked to a lot of family members and friends who claimed they were going to sit out this election after Obama's gay marriage decision. But as Romney and his camp started crucifying Obama while gutting voter rights I saw VERY homophobic black people fall back in line. These folks have disappointments and disagreements with the president but came to his aide because they saw their champion being spit on and insulted.

My mom didn't like Bush politically but liked that he was a strong Christian, and loved his Texan charm which reminded her of our southern family members; she was rather indifferent about McCain. My mom is homophobic but I cannot call her intolerant - she treats all people with respect, supports gay marriage, and I don't believe she is someone who naturally hates people. But she hates Romney. Not as in really dislikes: she hates him and everything he stands for. She can't stand Anne Romney either. And it boils down to not just him being an entitled asshole, but the way he belittled and insulted the president. She literally believes Romney is racist due to his Mormon faith. I know for a fact that many older black people feel the exact same way that she does. And most of them showed up to vote.

I just wish my grandparents had lived longer, not just to still be here but to see him get re-elected. My granddad served in WWII and said when his company was told FDR had died, they all not only cried but wound up bonding with their white higher officers, who were crying as well. My grandmothers had pictures of JFK, Jesus, and MLK in their homes (my grandma on my mom's side used to say she met JFK and MLK in person, and couldn't wait to meet them again plus Jesus in the future). And naturally they loved Obama, voted for him, and spent a lot of time just cherishing the idea of his family being in the White House, being excited about the health care bill being passed (which benefited them), etc. Personally I'm more jaded and not the biggest Obama fan but there's no doubt his mere existence is important
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 07, 2012, 01:40:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 01:07:43 PM
To be fair, Silver seems to have gotten the state margins better (and called Florida right) than RCP, and if we bring up the longer track record then we gotta mention that RCP circa 2000 (http://web.archive.org/web/20001212163700/realclearpolitics.com/Polls/polls-Electoral_11_06_EC.html) was basically the Unskewed Polls of its day.

I'm not going to hold RCP's 2000 performance over their head as it was their first year of operation and they weren't very discriminating on what information they allowed to influence the aggregate.


Related ... here's a fun read in hindsight:

http://townhall.com/columnists/hughhewitt/2012/08/02/quality_control_among_the_polls_will_realclearpoliticscom_protect_its_brand/page/full/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 01:43:30 PM
DC and its Maryland suburbs probably had as much enthusiasm for Obama as any place outside Chicago during the 2008 campaign; it's all black folks and immigrants and effete librul honkeys around here.  I kind of regret not taking a camera with me the last few weeks and just documenting the sheer amount of Obama apparel being worn.

But for all the snark about Obama being the ShitWhitePeopleLike candidate and being the choice of suburbanite faddists, no demographic came anywhere close to being as invested in him as old black folks.  Generally I dislike and am worried by the tribal aspect of politics, but it was really moving to see just how much this meant to black Americans who had been around long enough to live through and remember the civil rights movement and all the shit that it fought to overturn.

And while we're being maudlin, I felt really shitty when I realized scorcho wasn't able to see this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 02:26:50 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:55:44 PM
One of my military friends on facebook is talking about how soon we will all be dependent on the government for a paycheck, and all his military buddies are agreeing.

They should feel right at home then since they already get paychecks from the government.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 02:32:41 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 07, 2012, 02:26:50 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 12:55:44 PM
One of my military friends on facebook is talking about how soon we will all be dependent on the government for a paycheck, and all his military buddies are agreeing.

They should feel right at home then since they already get paychecks from the government.
thatsthejoke.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 03:03:48 PM
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332937/romney-adviser-it-was-messaging-robert-costa#

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A Romney adviser partly blames last night’s defeat on a weak message. “Turnout was the big problem, since we didn’t get all of McCain’s voters to the polls, but we really should have been talking more about Benghazi and Obamacare,” an adviser says, speaking on the condition on anonymity. “Those are major issues and Romney rarely mentioned them in the final days.”

Haha, go to bed guys. "If only we pushed harder on Benghazi and Obamacare!! The president was never properly vetted!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 03:15:59 PM
My favorite Republican talking point from this election is how the country is now divided and this is a major new problem because of Obama.

As if  Bush won both his elections with blow-outs and ignoring the fact that a Republican presidential candidate hasn't won a big electoral and voting margin since 1988.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 03:17:40 PM
They should have talked more about Obamacare?

Also, can anyone tell me the official Republican line on why we should be so outraged about Benghazi?  I mean I get that, like Fast and Furious, it pushes their buttons, but has anyone laid down a coherent attack on Obama about it, true or not?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 03:20:58 PM
There line is basically "Obama didn't do what we would have done so he is to be impeached!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 03:27:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 01:36:11 PM
My mom didn't like Bush politically but liked that he was a strong Christian, and loved his Texan charm which reminded her of our southern family members; she was rather indifferent about McCain.

The funny thing is I think Romney would have been a far more competent president than say George Bush to pick a recent example. And I was one of the biggest George Bush haters going but it was more based on his policies. Bush was certainly the more "fun" candidate and more personable than his two democratic opponents. Bush inspired both a sense of pity and that "he don't know no better" and that's why he sucks sort of feeling towards him despite his rage inducing incompetency.

Romney is much smarter, much more calculated, and therefore much more phoney. So the dislike of him from certain quarters is palpable because he knows better but is still going to lie to you, to try to get the job.

Personally I disliked McCain the most. Because surprisingly I think he is/was a bigger phony than Romney is and less competent to boot.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 03:28:54 PM
Obama's America:

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It will soon be illegal to oppose same-sex marriage, even for Christians. The media will become even more brazen in covering up for the president and shaming those who don’t agree. Our debt will mount, and our credit rating will fall. In a couple hundred years, America’s heavily censored school textbooks will record conservatism as a freak aberration. It will get a couple pages between the chapters on FDR and Barack Obama.

 :drool :drool :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: archie4208 on November 07, 2012, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 03:28:54 PM
Obama's America:

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It will soon be illegal to oppose same-sex marriage, even for Christians. The media will become even more brazen in covering up for the president and shaming those who don’t agree. Our debt will mount, and our credit rating will fall. In a couple hundred years, America’s heavily censored school textbooks will record conservatism as a freak aberration. It will get a couple pages between the chapters on FDR and Barack Obama.

 :drool :drool :drool

The liburl media will make Reagan seem like a monster.  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
Quote from: archie4208 on November 07, 2012, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 03:28:54 PM
Obama's America:

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It will soon be illegal to oppose same-sex marriage, even for Christians. The media will become even more brazen in covering up for the president and shaming those who don’t agree. Our debt will mount, and our credit rating will fall. In a couple hundred years, America’s heavily censored school textbooks will record conservatism as a freak aberration. It will get a couple pages between the chapters on FDR and Barack Obama.

 :drool :drool :drool

The liburl media will make Reagan seem like a monster.  :'(

They might even be given carte blanche to mention Iran-Contra! :omg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 03:34:19 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 03:28:54 PM
Obama's America:

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It will soon be illegal to oppose same-sex marriage, even for Christians. The media will become even more brazen in covering up for the president and shaming those who don’t agree. Our debt will mount, and our credit rating will fall. In a couple hundred years, America’s heavily censored school textbooks will record conservatism as a freak aberration. It will get a couple pages between the chapters on FDR and Barack Obama.

 :drool :drool :drool

It's God's will.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 03:36:26 PM
Benghazi is such a fucking dud of an issue. And Obamacare is too until they can actually mount something that is even vaguely reminiscent of a substantive policy issue in regards to its implementation that isn't "This is big government takeover of a broken and vital industry!" When Romney argued in the first debate that his non-specific plan to fix health care while repealing Obamacare had all of the good things of Obama's plan with none of the big government pitfalls -- which was obviously false -- just showed their problems.

This is a meaningless observation, but personally I really think that the Romney momentum might have had a slight chance of continuing if he and Ryan had any idea how to follow up on the vague, meaningless nonsense that Romney peddled effectively in the first debate. He certainly convinced people in Denver that he had enough confidence to lay out goals, but there was no specifics to back it up. Perhaps Obamacare is terrible, but it's actually a well-documented approach to health care reform. "The private industry is better than the federal government" is simply a philosophy, not actual policy. How -- besides having blind faith in the invisible hand of the free market -- will that actually work versus what Obama has actually passed?

How the fuck was that tax cut going to work? "We'll roll up our sleeves and come to a bi-partisan agreement" is certainly an enviable approach, but what is one specific solution that a bi-partisan group might come up with?

Sorry, just kind of rambling at this point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 03:38:47 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/07/brooks-obamas-very-clean-administration-scandal-free-first-term-signs-of-whats-to-come

I knew when I saw this headline, the comment section was gonna be pure 24k gold. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
Lots of "scandals," but not very many scandals.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/presidential-social-votes-show-changing-mindsets-185411474--election.html
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Voters were more ideologically polarized than in 2008 or 2004. The share of moderates dipped slightly to 41 percent, while 25 percent called themselves liberal, the highest share saying so in recent surveys of voters as they leave their polling places. Thirty-five percent called themselves conservative, about the same as the previous two presidential contests.

I thought this was pretty interesting how it seems like moderates are becoming liberals. I know I used to be a pretty staunch moderate, even back when I was in a liberal arts college hanging out with a bunch of Bush-hating eco-hippies, but I now consider myself to be pretty liberal. But this is probably more to do with how the goal posts seem to have been shifted right on what constitutes a liberal/conservative (done by both parties) more than anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Quote from: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 03:48:14 PM
I thought this was pretty interesting how it seems like moderates are becoming liberals. I know I used to be a pretty staunch moderate, even back when I was in a liberal arts college hanging out with a bunch of Bush-hating eco-hippies, but I now consider myself to be pretty liberal. But this is probably more to do with how the goal posts seem to have been shifted right on what constitutes a liberal/conservative (done by both parties) more than anything.

Yeah, the fact that so many in this nation perceive Obama as some sort of radical Marxist the likes of which has never been seen tells us a lot about how left vs. right is determined in this nation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 04:05:24 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/sUrzD.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2012, 04:20:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/siFWW.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: etiolate on November 07, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
I am slightly interested to see if Republicans remold their image or adjust their approach. I agree that it won't happen for the midterm elections, but I do feel their relationship with media outlets has started to hurt them. Fox News and conservative radio need to make money. Conservative media outlet  interests and the way they go about it won't always align with actually winning a presidential election. Shock is better for tv ratings than it is for poll results.  It might be time for the GOP and its candidates to be the voice of the GOP instead of just the guest that day on Fox News.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 04:46:22 PM
Quote from: etiolate on November 07, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
I am slightly interested to see if Republicans remold their image or adjust their approach. I agree that it won't happen for the midterm elections, but I do feel their relationship with media outlets has started to hurt them. Fox News and conservative radio need to make money. Conservative media outlet  interests and the way they go about it won't always align with actually winning a presidential election. Shock is better for tv ratings than it is for poll results.  It might be time for the GOP and its candidates to be the voice of the GOP instead of just the guest that day on Fox News.

Don't think its gonna happen. It takes an utter collapse with a party for that to happen and the Republicans aren't there yet. They'll weather the slow decline until it gets really really really bad. They still think its the messaging, and getting the proper candidate to espouse it.

In other words they haven't hit their Michael Dukakis low point yet.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
we're talking about angry-ass old white dudes who think the world owes them everything; dont see them changing any time soon
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 07, 2012, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
BIG GAY MIST

Is that a soft drink?
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 04:51:53 PM
Given how insane the right is going over Benghazi I don't see them moderating

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 07, 2012, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2012, 04:46:22 PM
Quote from: etiolate on November 07, 2012, 04:40:55 PM
I am slightly interested to see if Republicans remold their image or adjust their approach. I agree that it won't happen for the midterm elections, but I do feel their relationship with media outlets has started to hurt them. Fox News and conservative radio need to make money. Conservative media outlet  interests and the way they go about it won't always align with actually winning a presidential election. Shock is better for tv ratings than it is for poll results.  It might be time for the GOP and its candidates to be the voice of the GOP instead of just the guest that day on Fox News.

Don't think its gonna happen. It takes an utter collapse with a party for that to happen and the Republicans aren't there yet. They'll weather the slow decline until it gets really really really bad. They still think its the messaging, and getting the proper candidate to espouse it.

In other words they haven't hit their Michael Dukakis low point yet.

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Yeah, I was hopeful this would lead to change, but apparently some in the Romney camp are blaming their loss on not talking about Obamacare and Benghazi enough, which is just :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 07, 2012, 11:22:32 AM
Alan Grayson won his seat back!! :rock

Wait, WHAT?  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 04:57:23 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
we're talking about angry-ass old white dudes who think the world owes them everything; dont see them changing any time soon

I would change that to "who erroneously think they single-handedly earned everything they've gotten/will ever get."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 05:21:11 PM
Quote
1. PPP (D)
1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP
3. YouGov
4. Ipsos/Reuters
5. Purple Strategies
6. NBC/WSJ
6. CBS/NYT
6. YouGov/Economist
9. UPI/CVOTER
10. IBD/TIPP
11. Angus-Reid
12. ABC/WP
13. Pew Research
13. Hartford Courant/UConn
15. CNN/ORC
15. Monmouth/SurveyUSA
15. Politico/GWU/Battleground
15. FOX News
15. Washington Times/JZ Analytics
15. Newsmax/JZ Analytics
15. American Research Group
15. Gravis Marketing
23. Democracy Corps (D)
24. Rasmussen
24. Gallup
26. NPR
27. National Journal
28. AP/GfK

:rofl Gallup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 05:21:40 PM
Quote from: Steve Youngblood on November 07, 2012, 04:57:23 PM
Quote from: Positive Touch on November 07, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
we're talking about angry-ass old white dudes who think the world owes them everything; dont see them changing any time soon

I would change that to "who erroneously think they single-handedly earned everything they've gotten/will ever get."

yeah more like that, & that they feel entitled to it all
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 05:28:34 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/07/1159631/americans-voted-for-a-democratic-house-gerrymandering-the-supreme-court-gave-them-speaker-boehner/?mobile=nc

That's just depressing. The Dems picked a really bad time to lose the house last time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 05:47:35 PM
why haven't they called florida yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 05:50:36 PM
They're counting the provisional ballots now. Miami-Dade is 100% in I think. If Obama can keep above a .6% lead there won't be a recount

332 to 206. Despite 8% unemployment for most of the year and inconsistent job growth. Obama is very talented, and very popular...but he's also lucky as fuck in terms of facing bad opponents. He's been clowning them since 2006
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 05:51:29 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/9783/large/coalition.gif?1352298101)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 05:54:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/BNTvI.png)
come on 51
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2012, 06:14:35 PM
I'd like to see it happen.  Get some new democrats in both the house and senate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 07, 2012, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 07, 2012, 06:21:49 PM
Why do people keep suggesting a circle? Make it a star comprised of smaller stars. 51 of them.

That's harder for grade school kids to draw.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2012, 06:24:40 PM
The circle looks like a globe.  It plays into American imperialism. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2012, 06:31:51 PM
If you look at that circle it kind of looks like a star, with pizza wedges filling in the negative space.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 07:34:55 PM
And after this election, I really want to punch some of my European friends who claim there is no racism there in the face.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 07, 2012, 07:43:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4ruyoPqcg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 07, 2012, 07:45:23 PM
Man, you know what this thread is missing?  All the conservative posters who get driven away by constant berating, and who would have come back to make a few smug posts if Romney had won.  Oh well, maybe they're still lurking.  Maybe next time, siamesedreamer et al!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 07, 2012, 07:56:45 PM
Quote from: FlameofCallandorReturns on October 16, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
I dont know anything about Romney, but this place is gonna be so funny in November.  :lol Cant wait.

oh yea, this guy was def planning some drive-by snark.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 07, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Glenn Beck: Man, God really sucks sometimes. (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/11/glenn-beck-man-sometimes-god-really.html)

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)

The subtitle is the best:

Quote
Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on November 07, 2012, 08:25:43 PM
Quote
As if  Bush won both his elections with blow-outs


and he went on to claim a "mandate" to do what the feck he wanted with half the vote.

BU BU BU BU BU BU BU BU BU BU BU.

here's the problem : a large chunk of uneducated americans have been saved from themselves and they will never ever thank the voters who saved them from themselves, rather they'd want Bamsy to be spit roasted and have a white guy in charge who would send them forever into an education black hole but hey AT LEAST HE BELIEVES IN JESUS* (* not quite our jesus but better than that other guy!)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
Just watched some of Morning Joe and saw Tim Kaine's interview. He mentioned his proposal on the Bush tax cuts, and it was different from the first compromise he floated a few months ago (raise the lower end tax cut to include $300k and below, end the higher end tax cut). On the show he proposed raising the rate to $500k - so income above that rate would be taxed at the higher end Clinton levels. Apparently it would produce half a trillion revenue in a decade.

Thoughts? I don't believe Obama will simply let the rates expire. I would be fine with increasing the income minimum to $300k, with everything above that being raised to the Clinton tax rate. I might even be fine with $400k, although I'd bite my lip. Personally I'd love for all the rates to simply expire, and then re-pass the lower income minimum of $250k but I doubt that will happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 07, 2012, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 10:08:16 AM
For those of you who missed this bit of comedy last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLV7nqD3CA

Saw this live, was a amazed

Then they dove right into popular vote nail biting. Please tell me Romney finished with 47%
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)

The subtitle is the best:

Quote
Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die

Quote
However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt

His former friends sound like they're really missing out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
ayo duns when do we get a second thread? 500 pages..

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md58k8yGDM1rkd8gso1_500.jpg)
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
ayo duns when do we get a second thread? 500 pages..

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md58k8yGDM1rkd8gso1_500.jpg)
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/

(http://i.imgur.com/xAJns.jpg)

We need that woman on the right as an emoticon! :lol

:whitepeoplecry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
ayo duns when do we get a second thread? 500 pages..

This thread started with the Obama inauguration, so maybe for his second inauguration. Symmetry!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 10:38:20 PM
Ann Coulter arguing Mitt Romney was a better candidate than Ronald Reagan
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-laments-to-ingraham-if-romney-cant-win-in-this-economy-its-over-there-is-no-hope/
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on November 07, 2012, 10:44:13 PM
http://gawker.com/5958673/unhinged-conservative-youtuber-goes-on-priceless-drunken-hyper+rant-over-obama-victory (http://gawker.com/5958673/unhinged-conservative-youtuber-goes-on-priceless-drunken-hyper+rant-over-obama-victory)



im pretty sure that this woman is related to my wife lol.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2012, 12:28:43 AM
I kinda hate white people
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2012, 12:41:03 AM
Goddamn conservatives are sooooore losers. Any ill will any of you receive should be met with more vociferous contempt of their standing. They think they can bully you. It's just another side of history they are wrong. Stand up for yourselves. Don't take shit from anyone.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 08, 2012, 12:50:43 AM
i got my guns
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 12:55:02 AM
Not for long you don't!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 08, 2012, 12:56:39 AM
me and drew gunna fukk as the sun sets
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 01:53:55 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)

The subtitle is the best:

Quote
Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die

Quote
However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt

His former friends sound like they're really missing out.

Seems a tad extreme.

Granted, I've cut of ties with my previous right wing roommates, but that was for practical reasons, not personal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 08, 2012, 02:20:39 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YZhBO.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 08, 2012, 02:25:35 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XmVeN.jpg)

Wonder how this person is doing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fifstar on November 08, 2012, 04:20:59 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)

The subtitle is the best:

Quote
Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die

 :rofl

That post was amazing from start to finish. I loved "Only Nazis support Seat Belt laws".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 08, 2012, 05:04:56 AM
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I offer my opinion...I don't CARE if you like it or not. ***Thank you for all the VIEWS you Ron Paul loving douchebags!!! The views, unlike YOU, will REMAIN on my channel forever. Ha. Ha. Ha.*** Thanks a bunch, Paulqaeda.

Paulqeada!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 08, 2012, 05:45:40 AM
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2012-11-08-1.html


i'm certain the author of beloved children's book "Ender's War" has some insightful words about the election and media coverage of the president.

but really it's all amazing

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Now America has only two choices.

One choice is for the Republican House to investigate Benghazi, struggling to expose the truth about Barack Obama's high crimes and misdemeanors, both in his culpable negligence during the attack on our consulate, and in his repeated lies afterward to try to conceal his malfeasance.

You will, of course, support the Beloved Leader in his stonewalling, his refusal to supply documents. You will treat all his lies as if they were not lies; you will ignore the story as much as possible, calling it "old news."

Above all, you will attack the Republican Congressmen as you attacked Kenneth Starr, making them pay such a high price for trying to do your job and uncover the truth that they may well give up. You know, the way you all fell in line to attack Romney for criticizing the administration's response to the attacks on our embassy and consulate.

On the other hand, inside the military, the CIA, and the State Department, there are a lot of angry public servants who now understand that the Beloved Leader does not care about them, that he will abandon them to our enemies, that he will not protect them from terrorists if it isn't politically useful to him.

These disillusioned, angry people will make sure that the evidence is given to the Republicans in the House, and the genuine reporters at Fox News, and the real journalists scattered here and there across the country, and the bloggers on the internet who are unafraid of the truth.

Oh, you'll sneer at or vilify them all, when they do your job and tell the truth about the Beloved Leader.

Still, it's possible that we will be able to impeach this lying incompetent president that is getting a second term only because of your cooperation with his lies. It's possible that we can undo the damage you have done.

But far more likely is the other alternative -- that, faced with your monolithic groupthink, your insistent flacking for the Beloved Leader, your dishonesty that is equal to his dishonesty, your emulation of Pravda, the Republicans in Congress will give up, Fox News will drop the story, it will all go away, and the Beloved Leader will continue in power.

Then, when his appeasement of our enemies results in a nuclear explosion in Tel Aviv ...

When more and more Al-Qaeda-style attacks kill more Jews and more Americans around the world ...

When Obama's incompetent and anti-scientific economic policies have the consequences that such policies always have, and the American economy collapses under the weight of debts and entitlements ...

When Obama's crushing policies result in American healthcare sinking to the low level of service, the endless waiting lists, the needless death and suffering in the name of "fairness" that already afflict Europeans and Canadians ...

When the burden of ever-steeper taxes moves capital and industry and innovation to other countries ...

Will you step forward and take responsibility, and say, "We should have known; in fact we did know, but we did not tell you"?

Will you accept accountability for your lies and omissions in support of the Beloved Leader, for your slanders of the opponents of the Beloved Leader, for your having put your ideology and group loyalty above any notion of truth and honor?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 08, 2012, 05:53:27 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 01:53:55 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2012, 08:06:33 PM
http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)

The subtitle is the best:

Quote
Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die

Quote
However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt

His former friends sound like they're really missing out.

Seems a tad extreme.

Granted, I've cut of ties with my previous right wing roommates, but that was for practical reasons, not personal.

I defriended about a dozen people since yesterday.  Granted they were all Nobama and shit before but never this intolerable; now they are just foaming at the mouth angry.  I suspect that this Benghazi thing is something they're going to whine and drag out for the duration of Obongo's second term.  I wouldn't doubt it if the House tries to look into impeaching him or at least threatening to do so.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 05:53:36 AM
Was going great til this part:

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Then, when his appeasement of our enemies results in a nuclear explosion in Tel Aviv ...

Think he meant from Tel Aviv?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fifstar on November 08, 2012, 06:06:42 AM
He means Iran gets the bomb because of the appeasement policy and procceds to bomb Israel, no?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 06:20:20 AM
Yeah that's what I was assuming the writer was intending, but as it's written, an explosion in Tel Aviv would be an explosion within Iran, so that seems off.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 07:08:21 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
ayo duns when do we get a second thread? 500 pages..

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md58k8yGDM1rkd8gso1_500.jpg)
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/


http://minoritiesmourningromney.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Fifstar on November 08, 2012, 07:38:38 AM
You're thinking about Teheran? Because Tel-Aviv sure is in Israel...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 08, 2012, 07:54:51 AM
Election 2012: Basically the GOP's Norma Desmond moment.

http://www.examiner.com/article/do-you-still-think-the-polls-were-skewed?cid=db_articles

I AM big.  It's the ELECTIONS that got small.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMUJpec6Bdc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 08, 2012, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 06:20:20 AM
Yeah that's what I was assuming the writer was intending, but as it's written, an explosion in Tel Aviv would be an explosion within Iran, so that seems off.

:derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 09:07:21 AM
I'm pretty sure Tel Aviv is in Afghanistan, and he was talking about Al Qaeda getting a nuke and accidentally blowing themselves up with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
Dean Chambers finally shows his face:

http://www.examiner.com/article/do-you-still-think-the-polls-were-skewed?cid=db_articles

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On predicting the election results I believed that turnout would be more even and it would result in Mitt Romney getting 275 electoral votes to Obama getting 263. I was off by four states (Colorado, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia) that are worth 69 electoral votes, which is the difference between the 263 I projected and the 332 electoral votes that President Obama won.

I was only off by four states, guys! Conveniently forgetting that he had Romney winning by 350 EVs until the day before the election, when he suddenly and for no apparently reason changed his prediction to a less wrong one, based on, you know, "it just feels right".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2012, 10:32:27 AM
So Unskewed polls were the actual skewed polls? Sounds about right. It's really a shame no one will lose any credibility over this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 10:33:59 AM
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-7-2012/post-democalypse-2012---america-takes-a-shower---karl-rove-s-math

:bow

This is one is great, too:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-november-7-2012/post-democalypse-2012---america-takes-a-shower---fox-news-meltdown

Whoops! Turns out that it was the other GOP candidates back in January that started the Bain attacks on Romney! :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2012, 10:42:20 AM
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 08, 2012, 10:32:27 AM
So Unskewed polls were the actual skewed polls? Sounds about right. It's really a shame no one will lose any credibility over this.

All the polls are skewed. They just make educated guesses on what the turnout will look like and go from there. Those that predicted a 2010-like turnout were off and those that used the 2008 model were right.

Conventional wisdom going into this election was that Obama wasn't going to see the same kind of turnout he saw in 2008 (especially from minorities and the youth). Even among partisan supporters.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2012, 10:57:52 AM
Sure, but "Unskewed" polls only became a thing because 538 didn't show a Romney victory. "Unskewed" showed the truth "without the liberal bias" and for the umpteenth time they got it so very wrong.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
You're just saying what I am saying. Using a 2008 model would in fact be a 'liberal bias', whereas using a 2010 model would be the opposite. If you were a partisan Republican, it's not too much of a stretch to understand why they would think 2010 was the beginning of a trend and not just an aberration.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 11:29:04 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 10:48:14 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 08, 2012, 10:32:27 AM
So Unskewed polls were the actual skewed polls? Sounds about right. It's really a shame no one will lose any credibility over this.

All the polls are skewed. They just make educated guesses on what the turnout will look like and go from there. Those that predicted a 2010-like turnout were off and those that used the 2008 model were right.

Actually, this is completely wrong.  Polling outfits do not calibrate their party ID and go from there, they ask the people they're surveying what their party ID is and then report the answer.  they were consistently getting between D +6 and D +8 and whatdoyaknow!...

Unskewers saw those numbers and refused to believe them, so they rejiggered the party ID to match their own wishful thinking.  Any statiscian who operates that way is a total sham.  The point is to make predictions after you get results, not beforehand.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 11:32:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHhaduYQyI4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2012, 11:38:47 AM
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266283107014025216
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:42:35 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7E-DW5CYAAcxRV.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2012, 11:45:46 AM
What am I missing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
Damn, dunno what happened to it.  It was a mad white woman.

The thing I keep hearing from my conservative friends is how Romney is this magic turnaround artist, who can make anything work, but then when I ask why he couldn't make a campaign work after 8 years, it's all "that's different".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
Damn, dunno what happened to it.  It was a mad white woman.

The thing I keep hearing from my conservative friends is how Romney is this magic turnaround artist, who can make anything work, but then when I ask why he couldn't make a campaign work after 8 years, it's all "that's different".

So ... you're saying politics are not the same as running a business? And here I thought we all lived in America, Inc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:57:06 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266283107014025216 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266283107014025216)

I also think most of my conservative friends have no idea what private equity even is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan link=topic=28125.msg1580427#msg1580427
  Polling outfits do not calibrate their party ID and go from there, they ask the people they're surveying what their party ID is and then report the answer.  they were consistently getting between D +6 and D +8 and whatdoyaknow!

I suppose you are right, but if a polling outfit got a result of +5 R in Michigan, would they just run the results? No, they would likely throw that out and try again. There is a baseline (of expectation) they are running on based on past history.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 08, 2012, 12:06:29 PM
Depends. They might scrutinize the methodology behind those numbers more closely, but being more skeptical of one of their own polls that appears to be an outlier is different than putting a thumb on the scales
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 01:02:01 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:57:06 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266283107014025216 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266283107014025216)

I also think most of my conservative friends have no idea what private equity even is.

He seems a bit upset at Brian Williams.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 08, 2012, 01:06:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rH5KN.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
changed from this:
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md6g119sq91rr5t33o1_500.jpg)
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 01:57:09 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan link=topic=28125.msg1580427#msg1580427
  Polling outfits do not calibrate their party ID and go from there, they ask the people they're surveying what their party ID is and then report the answer.  they were consistently getting between D +6 and D +8 and whatdoyaknow!

I suppose you are right, but if a polling outfit got a result of +5 R in Michigan, would they just run the results? No, they would likely throw that out and try again. There is a baseline (of expectation) they are running on based on past history.

I'm not an expert on survey science, but I'm pretty sure that "throwing out" a poll because it gives you an unexpected result is bad science and bad ethics.  You'd publish and include the caveat that you think there's a good chance you botched it somehow.

And in any case, the baseline expectation was being set by other polls.  When the vast majority of your polls are showing something and it largely conforms to the results of different pollsters, unless there's something in the data that shows a statistical bias (certain gender/ethnicity/locality being significantly over- or undersampled compared to its actual representation), the unbiased thing is to conclude that the polls are probably approaching the truth.  Chambers et al were using their own intuition, then going back and bending the data towards that, rather than vice versa.


edit: I get what you're saying and it woulda been reasonable for Republicans to expect a 2010 turnout and Democrats to expect a 2008 turnout if there were a small amount of data available leading up to the election.  But there was a ton of data and I think it's pretty clear now that aggregated poll results leading up to an election is a lot more predictive than wishful thinking and gut feelings on enthusiasm.

See also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwnWUgqVrSM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 01:59:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 01:57:09 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan link=topic=28125.msg1580427#msg1580427
  Polling outfits do not calibrate their party ID and go from there, they ask the people they're surveying what their party ID is and then report the answer.  they were consistently getting between D +6 and D +8 and whatdoyaknow!

I suppose you are right, but if a polling outfit got a result of +5 R in Michigan, would they just run the results? No, they would likely throw that out and try again. There is a baseline (of expectation) they are running on based on past history.

I'm not an expert on survey science, but I'm pretty sure that "throwing out" a poll because it gives you an unexpected result is bad science and bad ethics.  You'd publish and include the caveat that you think there's a good chance you botched it somehow.

And in any case, the baseline expectation was being set by other polls.  When the vast majority of your polls are showing something and it largely conforms to the results of different pollsters, unless there's something in the data that shows a statistical bias (certain gender/ethnicity/locality being significantly over- or undersampled compared to its actual representation), the unbiased thing is to conclude that the polls are probably approaching the truth.  Chambers et al were using their own intuition, then going back and bending the data towards that, rather than vice versa.

Creationist Polling?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
Intelligent design is just unskewed biology.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
Unskewing just seems like another method of denying science/reality with the "not every expert believes x." See: evolution, global warming, supply siders
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
Intelligent design: unskewed biology!
Global warming denial: unskewed climatology!
Expansionary austerity: unskewed macroeconomics!
Fox News: unskewed journalism!
Anti-vaccination: unskewed epidemiology!
Civil War revisionism: unskewed historiography!
Paul Ryan's budget: unskewed arithmetic!

Finally, America will be straightened out!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
Intelligent design: unskewed biology!
Global warming denial: unskewed climatology!
Expansionary austerity: unskewed macroeconomics!
Fox News: unskewed journalism!
Anti-vaccination: unskewed epidemiology!
Civil War revisionism: unskewed historiography!
Paul Ryan's budget: unskewed arithmetic!

Finally, America will be straightened out!

Paul Ryan's budget should be "unskewed economics" but otherwise A++ meme
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:19:06 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-celebrates-obama-election-pushing-global-gun-210900435.html

well, looks like they're trying for this shit again :sigh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
Obama let you guys carry guns in national parks and you still act like he's taking your guns away?  ::)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 08, 2012, 02:22:53 PM
heterosexuality: unskewed gay!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 02:23:48 PM
white supremacy: unskewed demographic shift
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
Obama let you guys carry guns in national parks and you still act like he's taking your guns away?  ::)

my post had nothing to do with Obama, and yet you're acting like I'm claiming that he's trying to take MAH GUNZ away?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Quote from: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
Obama let you guys carry guns in national parks and you still act like he's taking your guns away?  ::)

my post had nothing to do with Obama, and yet you're acting like I'm claiming that he's trying to take MAH GUNZ away?

Yeah, it's not like Obama's name was in the headline, lead sentence, or url of the link.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 02:21:18 PM
Obama let you guys carry guns in national parks and you still act like he's taking your guns away?  ::)

my post had nothing to do with Obama, and yet you're acting like I'm claiming that he's trying to take MAH GUNZ away?

Well I apologize for unskewing your post
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 08, 2012, 02:28:18 PM
Republicanism: Unskewed logic
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
That UN treaty doesn't have anything to do with domestic firearm possession in the first place, assuming it's even agreed to.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 02:30:08 PM
"My weight is average for an American" = unskewed 25 lbs overweight

(http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/bwlduazsp0wyxdej6xwuta.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:32:26 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:26:15 PM
Yeah, it's not like Obama's name was in the headline, lead sentence, or url of the link.

yeah, it's not like it also said UN celebrates (NAME REDACTED) election by pushing global gun (control)

niga please
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
HEY GUYZ LOOK AT THIS LINK!!!!!1!1!


Also please ignore ~60% of it's content.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
And it's not like the article didn't also have this:

Quote
"Just days ago as he campaigned for re-election," he concluded, "Barack Obama told his supporters that voting is the 'best revenge.' I guess now we know what he was talking about. The revenge he seeks is against American gun owners and their Second Amendment rights."

So, yeah.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 02:36:10 PM
We just haven't mastered unskewed reading comprehension.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
Quote
I get what you're saying and it woulda been reasonable for Republicans to expect a 2010 turnout and Democrats to expect a 2008 turnout if there were a small amount of data available leading up to the election.  But there was a ton of data and I think it's pretty clear now that aggregated poll results leading up to an election is a lot more predictive

Yea, reading up more on the methodology, I was incorrect on how these polls are conducted/carried out.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:38:18 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
That UN treaty doesn't have anything to do with domestic firearm possession in the first place, assuming it's even agreed to.

and I quote

Quote
Anti-gun treaty proponents continue to mislead the public, claiming the treaty would have no impact on American gun owners. That's a bald-faced lie. For example, the most recent draft treaty includes export/import controls that would require officials in an importing country to collect information on the 'end user' of a firearm, keep the information for 20 years, and provide the information to the country from which the gun was exported. In other words, if you bought a Beretta shotgun, you would be an 'end user' and the U.S. government would have to keep a record of you and notify the Italian government about your purchase. That is gun registration. If the U.S. refuses to implement this data collection on law-abiding American gun owners, other nations might be required to ban the export of firearms to the U.S.

that's from the institute of legislative action

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
And it's not like the article didn't also have this:

So, yeah.

i thought that comment was eye roll worthy too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:38:18 PM
that's from the institute of legislative action

Which is a division of the National Rifle Association, just so we're clear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:46:00 PM
why yes it is, good sir
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2012, 02:46:23 PM
Guys, I hope you're not implying that Drew is stupid or anything for his lunacidal, laser like focus on gun issues.

Really, we should just all come out and bluntly say it instead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 02:47:06 PM
Quote
Bobby McDonald "learned the hard way that every vote counts," the Kentucky Enquirer reports.

McDonald "finished in a dead heat Tuesday with Olivia Ballou for the sixth and final seat on the Walton City Council. Each candidate captured 669 votes, but one ballot McDonald is sure would have gone his way was never cast. His wife, Katie, who works nights... didn't make it to the polls yesterday.
Said McDonald: "If she had just been able to get in to vote, we wouldn't be going through any of this. You never think it will come down to one vote, but I'm here to tell you that it does."

 hahah
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 08, 2012, 02:46:23 PM
lunacidal

isn't that a new killstreak in Halo 4?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Pro-Life and Anti-Gay Rights Issues: Unskewed Theology!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 02:55:50 PM
hey creepy old guy, to put this obsession you have with my brain v yours to rest once and for all why don't we both "come out bluntly" and post our ACT/SAT scores? the only rule is no lying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 02:59:22 PM
I got a 1590 on my SAT...twice. Once was 800 Math, 790 Verbal; once was 790 Math, 800 Verbal.

Worst part is, my cousin got a 1600, so I'm "the dumb one." :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 03:07:22 PM
Oklahoma just passed open carry laws. Come down here and we'll sling on our six-shooters and go to the Waffle House. There could be injuns about.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 03:10:03 PM
Quote
Rene G. ‏@rcg99

Wow. Romney's staffers' credit cards were cancelled after his concession speech and couldn't be used to pay cab fare for ride home.
:lol

what a dick
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 03:11:52 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 03:12:36 PM
:lol  he really does belong to the business world...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 08, 2012, 03:43:28 PM
xkcd:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/math.png)

Edit: Haha at the Romney staffers. To bad nobody gives the shit anymore about the campaign and we probably won't get much follow-up about how true this is (not that it matters, but I'd like to know for the lolz)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 03:47:16 PM
Romney likes being able to fire people.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 08, 2012, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 10:12:34 AM
Dean Chambers finally shows his face:

http://www.examiner.com/article/do-you-still-think-the-polls-were-skewed?cid=db_articles

Quote
On predicting the election results I believed that turnout would be more even and it would result in Mitt Romney getting 275 electoral votes to Obama getting 263. I was off by four states (Colorado, Florida, Ohio, and Virginia) that are worth 69 electoral votes, which is the difference between the 263 I projected and the 332 electoral votes that President Obama won.

I was only off by four states, guys! Conveniently forgetting that he had Romney winning by 350 EVs until the day before the election, when he suddenly and for no apparently reason changed his prediction to a less wrong one, based on, you know, "it just feels right".

Eh, at least he admits that his whole "unskewed" core conceit was wrong, rather than trying to split off an entire unskewed parallel universe which was sort of what I was expecting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 03:50:25 PM
Obama won by suppressing the vote, guys:

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rove-obama-succeeded-by-suppressing-vote?ref=fpa
Karl Rove told Fox News' Megyn Kelly on Thursday that President Obama won re-election "by suppressing the vote" with negative campaign ads that "turned off" potential voters.

Rove :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 03:51:10 PM
Since we're ragging on epistemic closure:

Quote from: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/11/the-meaning-of-yesterdays-defeat.php
To me, the most telling incident of the campaign season was a poll that found that among young Americans, socialism enjoys a higher favorability rating than free enterprise. How can this possibly be, given the catastrophic failure of socialism, and the corresponding success of free enterprise, throughout history? The answer is that conservatives have entirely lost control over the culture. The educational system, the entertainment industry, the news media and every cultural institution that comes to mind are all dedicated to turning out liberals. To an appalling degree, they have succeeded. Historical illiteracy is just one consequence. Unless conservatives somehow succeed in regaining parity or better in the culture, the drift toward statism will inevitably continue, even if Republicans win the occasional election.

That belief, in some form or other, is very widespread among the right.  Which makes them turn to more "trustworthy" sources like Fox News, the various talk radio hosts, rightwing blogs and news sites, etc.

Trying to pop that bubble and bring those folks back into the mainstream would be an important project, but I'm not sure it could be done.



recursive: I know, and it's really disappointing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 08, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 03:10:03 PM
Quote
Rene G. ‏@rcg99

Wow. Romney's staffers' credit cards were cancelled after his concession speech and couldn't be used to pay cab fare for ride home.
:lol

what a dick

i seriously doubt he had any direct involvement in that ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tWhTr.jpg)

Oklahoma :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/08/americans_actually_voted_for_a_democratic_house.html

The total votes cast for Democratic House candidates exceed the votes cast for Republican candidates by about half a million right now, but Republicans will have a few dozen more seats.

Gerrymandering's probably a big factor, cause the GOP won all those state legislatures in 2010 in time for redistricting.  But part of it might be that the Dems managed to field credible candidates in more districts than the Republicans.  In the Senate races it seemed like the GOP was having a hard time recruiting people to run and that might have been true in the House too.

Still, hard to see that disparity having nothing to do with the way districts were drawn.  I'd love to see the vote total/seat total split broken down by states that had Dem legislatures in 2010 and those that had GOP legislatures.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 04:30:44 PM
Fox News now has a live countdown to the "fiscal cliff." :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 08, 2012, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 04:30:44 PM
Fox News now has a live countdown to the "fiscal cliff." :lol

Did they already give up on Benghazigate?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 04:42:00 PM
Wouldn't surprise me. Benghazi was an election "issue," so there's not really any point in talking about it now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 08, 2012, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 04:42:00 PM
Wouldn't surprise me. Benghazi was an election "issue," so there's not really any point in talking about it now.

Impeachment. Remember all the people who wanted Bush impeached for Iraq? They didn't have a TV network/political machine backing them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 05:22:23 PM
naa they definitely have not given up on Benghazigate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
My HS Spanish teacher spent an hour telling us about being Libertarian. I thought it sounded pretty cool at the time, but I was 15.

Edit: I think you should let it go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 08, 2012, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 08, 2012, 05:31:29 PM
Not sure if this should go in this thread or random talk but it's election related.

I found out that my sisters Italian teacher decided to talk about politics and specifically made not of his support for Romney, his disdain for Obama and had a lengthy discussion about Obamacare and how it shouldn't cover Abortions because that's wrong. My mom wants to let it go but I'm going to talk with my father about it. I think that's highly inappropriate, although I do think teens should be more informed about politics in a non-bias format.

Is this at a public school? I'd never in a million years give an opinion on politics with anyone at work, regardless if they're a coworker, student, staff member, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Youngblood on November 08, 2012, 05:40:35 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 04:30:44 PM
Fox News now has a live countdown to the "fiscal cliff." :lol

I love the speculation about the impact the election has on that issue. The fiscal cliff is terrifying. If only the electorate had selected the right man for the job, then we could have gotten Romney sworn in early and he could have fixed the issue before the new year.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 06:32:11 PM
I'm actually surprised the "unskewing" stuff hasn't been a meme yet.

Quote from: Fifstar on November 08, 2012, 07:38:38 AM
You're thinking about Teheran? Because Tel-Aviv sure is in Israel...

 :duh

My bad, that's what I was confusing it with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 06:32:11 PM
Quote from: Fifstar on November 08, 2012, 07:38:38 AM
You're thinking about Teheran? Because Tel-Aviv sure is in Israel...

 :duh

My bad, that's what I was confusing it with.

Unskewed geography :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2012, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 06:32:11 PM
Quote from: Fifstar on November 08, 2012, 07:38:38 AM
You're thinking about Teheran? Because Tel-Aviv sure is in Israel...

 :duh

My bad, that's what I was confusing it with.

Unskewed geography :'(

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/08/americans_actually_voted_for_a_democratic_house.html

The total votes cast for Democratic House candidates exceed the votes cast for Republican candidates by about half a million right now, but Republicans will have a few dozen more seats.

Gerrymandering's probably a big factor, cause the GOP won all those state legislatures in 2010 in time for redistricting.  But part of it might be that the Dems managed to field credible candidates in more districts than the Republicans.  In the Senate races it seemed like the GOP was having a hard time recruiting people to run and that might have been true in the House too.

Still, hard to see that disparity having nothing to do with the way districts were drawn.  I'd love to see the vote total/seat total split broken down by states that had Dem legislatures in 2010 and those that had GOP legislatures.

It's rather obvious gerrymandering is the only reason they kept the House this year. I knew the house was gone after the 2010 elections; you simply cannot lose congressional and district elections the same year as the census. I don't see the house flipping until at least 2016, and that's assuming the economy improves enough for some moderate dems to win in 2014.

edit: so far dems have picked up 8 seats (net)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2012, 08:30:40 PM
Quote
Adviser: Romney "shellshocked" by loss


Mitt Romney's campaign got its first hint something was wrong on the afternoon of Election Day, when state campaign workers on the ground began reporting huge turnout in areas favorable to President Obama: northeastern Ohio, northern Virginia, central Florida and Miami-Dade.

Then came the early exit polls that also were favorable to the president.

But it wasn't until the polls closed that concern turned into alarm. They expected North Carolina to be called early. It wasn't. They expected Pennsylvania to be up in the air all night; it went early for the President.

After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong. And maybe they weren't: There was Karl Rove on Fox saying Ohio wasn't settled, so campaign aides decided to wait. They didn't want to have to withdraw their concession, like Al Gore did in 2000, and they thought maybe the suburbs of Columbus and Cincinnati, which hadn't been reported, could make a difference.

But then came Colorado for the president and Florida also was looking tougher than anyone had imagined.

"We just felt, 'where's our path?'" said a senior adviser. "There wasn't one."

Romney then said what they knew: it was over.

His personal assistant, Garrett Jackson, called his counterpart on Mr. Obama's staff, Marvin Nicholson. "Is your boss available?" Jackson asked.

Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.

"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

Their emotion was visible on their faces when they walked on stage after Romney finished his remarks, which Romney had hastily composed, knowing he had to say something.

Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.

"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.

Romney and his campaign had gone into the evening confident they had a good path to victory, for emotional and intellectual reasons. The huge and enthusiastic crowds in swing state after swing state in recent weeks - not only for Romney but also for Paul Ryan - bolstered what they believed intellectually: that Obama would not get the kind of turnout he had in 2008.

They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney.

As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.

Those assessments were wrong.

They made three key miscalculations, in part because this race bucked historical trends:

1. They misread turnout. They expected it to be between 2004 and 2008 levels, with a plus-2 or plus-3 Democratic electorate, instead of plus-7 as it was in 2008. Their assumptions were wrong on both sides: The president's base turned out and Romney's did not. More African-Americans voted in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida than in 2008. And fewer Republicans did: Romney got just over 2 million fewer votes than John McCain.

2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

3. Undecided voters. The perception is they always break for the challenger, since people know the incumbent and would have decided already if they were backing him. Romney was counting on that trend to continue. Instead, exit polls show Mr. Obama won among people who made up their minds on Election Day and in the few days before the election. So maybe Romney, after running for six years, was in the same position as the incumbent.

The campaign before the election had expressed confidence in its calculations, and insisted the Obama campaign, with its own confidence and a completely different analysis, was wrong. In the end, it the other way around.

"They were right," a Romney campaign senior adviser said of the Obama campaign's assessments. "And if they were right, we lose."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=2&tag=page
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Rman on November 08, 2012, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
Damn, dunno what happened to it.  It was a mad white woman.

The thing I keep hearing from my conservative friends is how Romney is this magic turnaround artist, who can make anything work, but then when I ask why he couldn't make a campaign work after 8 years, it's all "that's different".

So ... you're saying politics are not the same as running a business? And here I thought we all lived in America, Inc.

GWB was also praised for his Harvard MBA at first.  Look how that turned out.  Although Bush had a shitty track record in the private sector as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: Rman on November 08, 2012, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 08, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 08, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
Damn, dunno what happened to it.  It was a mad white woman.

The thing I keep hearing from my conservative friends is how Romney is this magic turnaround artist, who can make anything work, but then when I ask why he couldn't make a campaign work after 8 years, it's all "that's different".

So ... you're saying politics are not the same as running a business? And here I thought we all lived in America, Inc.

GWB was also praised for his Harvard MBA at first.  Look how that turned out.  Although Bush had a shitty track record in the private sector as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/0vknq.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 08, 2012, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2012, 08:30:40 PM
Quote
Adviser: Romney "shellshocked" by loss


Mitt Romney's campaign got its first hint something was wrong on the afternoon of Election Day, when state campaign workers on the ground began reporting huge turnout in areas favorable to President Obama: northeastern Ohio, northern Virginia, central Florida and Miami-Dade.

Then came the early exit polls that also were favorable to the president.

But it wasn't until the polls closed that concern turned into alarm. They expected North Carolina to be called early. It wasn't. They expected Pennsylvania to be up in the air all night; it went early for the President.

After Ohio went for Mr. Obama, it was over, but senior advisers say no one could process it.

"We went into the evening confident we had a good path to victory," said one senior adviser. "I don't think there was one person who saw this coming."

They just couldn't believe they had been so wrong. And maybe they weren't: There was Karl Rove on Fox saying Ohio wasn't settled, so campaign aides decided to wait. They didn't want to have to withdraw their concession, like Al Gore did in 2000, and they thought maybe the suburbs of Columbus and Cincinnati, which hadn't been reported, could make a difference.

But then came Colorado for the president and Florida also was looking tougher than anyone had imagined.

"We just felt, 'where's our path?'" said a senior adviser. "There wasn't one."

Romney then said what they knew: it was over.

His personal assistant, Garrett Jackson, called his counterpart on Mr. Obama's staff, Marvin Nicholson. "Is your boss available?" Jackson asked.

Romney was stoic as he talked to the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.

"There's nothing worse than when you think you're going to win, and you don't," said another adviser. "It was like a sucker punch."

Their emotion was visible on their faces when they walked on stage after Romney finished his remarks, which Romney had hastily composed, knowing he had to say something.

Both wives looked stricken, and Ryan himself seemed grim. They all were thrust on that stage without understanding what had just happened.

"He was shellshocked," one adviser said of Romney.

Romney and his campaign had gone into the evening confident they had a good path to victory, for emotional and intellectual reasons. The huge and enthusiastic crowds in swing state after swing state in recent weeks - not only for Romney but also for Paul Ryan - bolstered what they believed intellectually: that Obama would not get the kind of turnout he had in 2008.

They thought intensity and enthusiasm were on their side this time - poll after poll showed Republicans were more motivated to vote than Democrats - and that would translate into votes for Romney.

As a result, they believed the public/media polls were skewed - they thought those polls oversampled Democrats and didn't reflect Republican enthusiasm. They based their own internal polls on turnout levels more favorable to Romney. That was a grave miscalculation, as they would see on election night.

Those assumptions drove their campaign strategy: their internal polling showed them leading in key states, so they decided to make a play for a broad victory: go to places like Pennsylvania while also playing it safe in the last two weeks.

Those assessments were wrong.

They made three key miscalculations, in part because this race bucked historical trends:

1. They misread turnout. They expected it to be between 2004 and 2008 levels, with a plus-2 or plus-3 Democratic electorate, instead of plus-7 as it was in 2008. Their assumptions were wrong on both sides: The president's base turned out and Romney's did not. More African-Americans voted in Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina and Florida than in 2008. And fewer Republicans did: Romney got just over 2 million fewer votes than John McCain.

2. Independents. State polls showed Romney winning big among independents. Historically, any candidate polling that well among independents wins. But as it turned out, many of those independents were former Republicans who now self-identify as independents. The state polls weren't oversampling Democrats and undersampling Republicans - there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

3. Undecided voters. The perception is they always break for the challenger, since people know the incumbent and would have decided already if they were backing him. Romney was counting on that trend to continue. Instead, exit polls show Mr. Obama won among people who made up their minds on Election Day and in the few days before the election. So maybe Romney, after running for six years, was in the same position as the incumbent.

The campaign before the election had expressed confidence in its calculations, and insisted the Obama campaign, with its own confidence and a completely different analysis, was wrong. In the end, it the other way around.

"They were right," a Romney campaign senior adviser said of the Obama campaign's assessments. "And if they were right, we lose."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/?pageNum=2&tag=page

I think this is all bullshit, they knew what was going to happen. Unless they are really hitting the Kool Aid hard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
Quote
Chris Christie Called Obama To Congratulate Him, Offered Mitt Romney Condolences Over Email

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) told reporters Thursday he reached out to President Barack Obama with a personal phone call to congratulate him on his reelection. Mitt Romney, the man Christie had campaigned with and raised money for, got a conciliatory email, the governor said.

“We didn’t have a political strategy discussion," Christie said of his Wednesday phone chat with Obama, Bloomberg reports. "I said, 'Congratulations on your win last night, Mr. President,' and he said, 'Thank you.'"

Asked if he'd given Romney the same treatment, Christie said that he hadn't.

“No; we exchanged e-mails last night,” Christie said, according to Bloomberg. “We haven’t spoken on the phone yet.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/christ-christie-obama_n_2095210.html
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 08, 2012, 09:01:11 PM
If Christie can drop 100+ pounds, he'll probably be elected President in the 2016 election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2012, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 08, 2012, 08:50:30 PM


I think this is all bullshit, they knew what was going to happen. Unless they are really hitting the Kool Aid hard

Generally real articles that had access to the campaign come out later so its certainly possible although it's weird that a campaign would want this narrative which paints them as deluded rather than one that paints them in a more realistic manner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 08, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
I can't wait for the inevitable tell-all stories about the Romney campaign.  I still think that the campaign was very tightly controlled from the top donors who wound up causing a lot of problems down the road (NAACP speech, picking Ryan as VP) and cost him the election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Christie is so fucked in the near future. Tea baggers will NEVER forgive his apostasy.



Btw, Romney had no concession speech planned, so it wouldn't be surprising at all if he and his campaign were deep inside the bubble as well.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2012, 09:13:39 PM
thats probably why it took him a fucking hour to even say to the press "I will give a concession speech"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2012, 09:14:24 PM
Romney's camp has conceded Florida, and will not ask for a recount

332-206. Popular vote isn't done yet Obama will finish with more than a 3 million vote lead.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 08, 2012, 09:20:59 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Christie is so fucked in the near future. Tea baggers will NEVER forgive his apostasy.



Btw, Romney had no concession speech planned, so it wouldn't be surprising at all if he and his campaign were deep inside the bubble as well.

I think that's a line of shit too
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 08, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
I can't wait for the inevitable tell-all stories about the Romney campaign.  I still think that the campaign was very tightly controlled from the top donors who wound up causing a lot of problems down the road (NAACP speech, picking Ryan as VP) and cost him the election.

The thing is there was a time where it made good political sense (and awful moral sense) for the Republican party to be this really racist xenophobic party. Especially when they were trying to switch over southerners to the Republican brand in the 70's, 80's, 90's.

They won that war. And now its time to drop that stuff and chart a different course but they are trapped by the monster they created. They don't know anything different at the moment to combat the changing demographics of America. I fully expect their short term solution will be to just nominate Rubio in 2016 and try to conquer and divide minorities on that basis rather than actually fundamentally change who they are.   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
2 Latino candidates for prez in 2016, bank on it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2012, 10:13:51 PM
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08/first-on-cnn-iranian-jets-fire-on-u-s-drone/

November 1st
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2012, 10:18:34 PM
Oh man, this would be such delicious karma:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/09/us-usa-senate-warren-banking-idUSBRE8A804R20121109
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2012, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
2 Latino candidates for prez in 2016, bank on it.

Rubio will most likely be the GOP candidate, because that's how they think they can win the latino vote.  It might work to an extent, too.  Dems will most likely nominate a woman in my opinion.  Not Hillary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 08, 2012, 11:24:28 PM
I find it very hard to believe that Hillary won't make one last attempt to run for President.  A lot of women are banking on her to be the first female President.  I could see Andrew Cuomo making an attempt as well, with a couple of others yet to be determined.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 08, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 08, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
I can't wait for the inevitable tell-all stories about the Romney campaign.  I still think that the campaign was very tightly controlled from the top donors who wound up causing a lot of problems down the road (NAACP speech, picking Ryan as VP) and cost him the election.

The thing is there was a time where it made good political sense (and awful moral sense) for the Republican party to be this really racist xenophobic party. Especially when they were trying to switch over southerners to the Republican brand in the 70's, 80's, 90's.

They won that war. And now its time to drop that stuff and chart a different course but they are trapped by the monster they created. They don't know anything different at the moment to combat the changing demographics of America. I fully expect their short term solution will be to just nominate Rubio in 2016 and try to conquer and divide minorities on that basis rather than actually fundamentally change who they are.

Yeah but they're going to have to do it anyway.  The fantasy that the Republicans are going to shrink to nothing is a masturbatory fantasy.  They're a major political party, they will adapt.  I think they probably will coast on white resentment until Texas turns uncomfortably purple though.  That could be a while though.

Or not.  I'll never vote for a Republican anyway unless by some freak occurrence they start being more liberal than Democrats.  So whether they wither away into nothing or create a new long lasting majority by successfully bringing the Hispanic vote in means nothing to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2012, 11:38:10 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
Gerrymandering's probably a big factor, cause the GOP won all those state legislatures in 2010 in time for redistricting.  But part of it might be that the Dems managed to field credible candidates in more districts than the Republicans.  In the Senate races it seemed like the GOP was having a hard time recruiting people to run and that might have been true in the House too.

I wonder how many Joe the Plumber's there were out there in the election. He lost 76% - 24% (205,091 to 66,351).


Quote from: Stoney Mason
there just weren't as many Republicans this time because they were calling themselves independents.

This should be the clarion call to the party. They are leaving people behind. The party brand is such shit that people are embarrassed to self-identify as a Republican. That's the first step in losing a supporter.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2012, 11:44:06 PM
Another good indicator that's been floating around- when you have to ask "which one?" when someone tells you "the rape guy lost".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2012, 12:19:56 AM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 08, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 08, 2012, 09:11:02 PM
I can't wait for the inevitable tell-all stories about the Romney campaign.  I still think that the campaign was very tightly controlled from the top donors who wound up causing a lot of problems down the road (NAACP speech, picking Ryan as VP) and cost him the election.

The thing is there was a time where it made good political sense (and awful moral sense) for the Republican party to be this really racist xenophobic party. Especially when they were trying to switch over southerners to the Republican brand in the 70's, 80's, 90's.

They won that war. And now its time to drop that stuff and chart a different course but they are trapped by the monster they created. They don't know anything different at the moment to combat the changing demographics of America. I fully expect their short term solution will be to just nominate Rubio in 2016 and try to conquer and divide minorities on that basis rather than actually fundamentally change who they are.

Yeah but they're going to have to do it anyway.  The fantasy that the Republicans are going to shrink to nothing is a masturbatory fantasy.  They're a major political party, they will adapt.  I think they probably will coast on white resentment until Texas turns uncomfortably purple though.  That could be a while though.

Or not.  I'll never vote for a Republican anyway unless by some freak occurrence they start being more liberal than Democrats.  So whether they wither away into nothing or create a new long lasting majority by successfully bringing the Hispanic vote in means nothing to me.

Oh they will definitely do it one day. The republican party isn't going to shrivel up and be replaced by something else. I just think they haven't lost bad enough to really have it hammer home yet. I think the easier short term solution though is to just fake it and nominate a latino guy. All of the tea leaves seem to be heading that way. The big narrative I keep seeing is how big they lost latinos and normally Republicans in the past wouldn't have given a shit about that but now you have people on their side really realizing its a problem.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/sean-hannity-immigration-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2096255.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 12:20:54 AM
Alec Baldwin delivered it better ...


This past election I found it pretty humorous how obsessed with work this country is. Not quality of life, or improving our health outcomes, or new ways to encourage kindness ... but work. We need more work .. we need those shitty jobs that our grandfathers used to work to come back to America. We cheer when a company "reshores" into depressed areas of America because they are starving for 10 dollar/hr jobs. I wonder if that will ever change ... or is it too ingrained into our cultural psyches?

I also wonder if we will ever have a national conversation on how (since the mid-70's) technology/efficiency has destroyed jobs. These aren't jobs we 'lost to overseas' .. these are jobs that just don't exist. Just look at this last recent dip:

(http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/gdpemp.jpg)


Our GDP is 2.2 percent higher than the start of the recession .. but with almost 4 million less jobs. I don't see how that is going to change in the near future. Especially as technology and efficiency marches on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2012, 12:27:16 AM
The other thing which Triumph sort of pointed to earlier is that the Republican nomination is such a death march for these candidates at the moment. It weeds out the guys like Huntsman who would actually do well in the general election and instead favors candidates who either have to lie their asses off to pretend they are down with the crazies like Romney had to or rewards actual genuine crazies who keep pulling the party rightward.

All that being said a lot of it comes down to the guy. And a party only needs one energetic bright face to revive its fortunes. The dems will have a very interesting time choosing a candidate for 2016. It's always a little weird when the VP of a sitting president isn't probably up to the task of actually wining the nomination and I don't believe Biden is so hopefully he steps aside early and makes it known he isn't running. I have an uncomfortable feeling though he's gonna try to get the nomination.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFeTE_3C34

Boehner-culpa

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 12:39:51 AM
He walked it back shortly afterward. Meanwhile Cantor suggested Obamacare's repeal should be tied to any tax compromise

republican house leadership elections are on the 14th btw. I'd imagine Boehner will be re-elected as the Speaker, but clearly the crazier types still don't trust him. I'd imagine he's happy there are eight more democrats in the house for him to deal with instead of tea party extremists like Allen West and Joe fucking Walsh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 09, 2012, 01:31:46 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 12:20:54 AM
This past election I found it pretty humorous how obsessed with work this country is. Not quality of life, or improving our health outcomes, or new ways to encourage kindness ... but work. We need more work .. we need those shitty jobs that our grandfathers used to work to come back to America. We cheer when a company "reshores" into depressed areas of America because they are starving for 10 dollar/hr jobs. I wonder if that will ever change ... or is it too ingrained into our cultural psyches?

I also wonder if we will ever have a national conversation on how (since the mid-70's) technology/efficiency has destroyed jobs. These aren't jobs we 'lost to overseas' .. these are jobs that just don't exist. Just look at this last recent dip:

http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/gdpemp.jpg

Our GDP is 2.2 percent higher than the start of the recession .. but with almost 4 million less jobs. I don't see how that is going to change in the near future. Especially as technology and efficiency marches on.

If you're in a capitalist economy it makes sense.  You need to work to make money, and if there aren't enough jobs to match willing potential workers, then you've got a lot of people in dire straits.  Even if employment's already decent, more jobs (or more job openings) means competition among firms and rising wages.

The alternative is socialism, and I'd be genuinely surprised if that's what you wanted.

I don't think technology is causing structural unemployment.  We had very, very low unemployment in the late 90's and low unemployment in the mid-00's before the seams came off the financial system.  It's not like the crash happened because a bunch of occupations suddenly became obsolete.  Also, GDP recovered ahead of employment in the Great Depression as well (stats from that era are a bit fuzzier but IIRC it's a sharp enough contrast that it doesn't really matter in this case).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 09, 2012, 02:10:24 AM
You don't need to work to make money in a capitalist economy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 02:15:27 AM
If republicans were smart they'd move South Carolina out of the early primary season. It has produced two of the worst examples of winning gutter primary politics in recent memory - Bush's race baiting of McCain in 2000, and Gingrich's blatantly bigoted campaign/win this year. I don't believe SC is the cause of the problem, but it's ugliness is often the worst symptom of the problem; on the democrat side let's not forget Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson comment in 2008. It's pretty obvious the republicans will hold the south for awhile, they don't need it to determine who their nominee is. Let's not forget Iowa loves religious right loons (Huckabee 08, Santorum '12), opening the possibility that a joke character can win there and then win in SC.

Removing it could also significantly decrease the shelf life of clown candidates like Gingrich, Bachman, Cain, etc who "forced" Romney to move far right just to win the nomination. Iowa, NH, Florida, Nevada, and Colorado should be the fist states (note: that's how it would look if SC was simply removed from the current primary schedule)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 09, 2012, 02:34:04 AM
Quote from: Cormacaroni on November 09, 2012, 02:10:24 AM
You don't need to work to make money in a capitalist economy.

Every time I leave out caveats and hedging to make for more readable prose...   :punch



PD: You're probably right, but I'd imagine there'd be a high chance of southerners/evangelicals throwing a shitfit and refusing to vote for a RNC chair (or whoever could legitimize this decision) that let this happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 09, 2012, 02:58:52 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md6vf2Gr5o1rkd8gso1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2012, 02:59:44 AM
I really see them doubling down on the crazy.  Maybe they give in on the dream act and nominate Rubio; it's what they do after a minority has any sort of success.  They nominated Palin after Hillary, and gave Steele the RNC after Obama. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 03:31:26 AM
Mandark: yea, that's true. And of course the religious wing of the party is already quite mad about the GOP abandoning Akin and Mourdock

Triumph: You're 100% right. The GOP seems to think tokenism is the solution to their demographic problems, and have for many years. The Cain stuff really crystallized this point imo, when some conservatives argued that if Cain faced Obama, black voters would be so torn that the vote could be split between the two candidates. Or a couple weeks ago when John Sununu said Colin Powell only endorsed Obama because he's black. These people simply don't get it, and I'm not sure this election will knock them to their senses.

It's worth noting that Rubio is Cuban, and thus has a rather different life experience from most Hispanics. He seems to want to move his party to the center on immigration, but I wonder if he'll sell out if it's clear he cannot get the nomination while being pro-immigration reform.

I know some folks disagree but I think John Boehner is an old school DC republican willing to cut deals to get shit done. IMO he'll be willing to work with Obama, but the problem will be that it will expose him to leadership challenges from Eric Cantor, who is willing to sell the party to the tea party (and thus national irrelevance) in exchange for a gavel. Republicans will have 7-8 fewer seats next year, and that may be enough for Boehner to create coalitions between democrats and the "regular" republicans in the House to pass some bills. We'll see...I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 09, 2012, 05:53:59 AM
(http://chickennation.com/misc_crap/forums_nonsense/smartephant-and-the-ass-pt-2-web.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 09, 2012, 07:17:36 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 12:20:54 AM
(http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/gdpemp.jpg)


Our GDP is 2.2 percent higher than the start of the recession .. but with almost 4 million less jobs. I don't see how that is going to change in the near future. Especially as technology and efficiency marches on.

I'm not sure I agree.  The work is still there, businesses just realized they can get away with doing more work with less people.  The 9-5 is effectively dead in the private workplace.  It's now 7-6 plus take your laptop home for nights and weekends and if you aren't willing to work those kinds of hours, here's a stack of 100 resumes from people who are.

Not sure how to remedy that realistically.  People are so desperate to see the unemployment numbers drop that people are happy any jobs are created, even if they are shitty McJobs.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 08:26:50 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 09, 2012, 01:31:46 AM
If you're in a capitalist economy it makes sense.  You need to work to make money, and if there aren't enough jobs to match willing potential workers, then you've got a lot of people in dire straits.  Even if employment's already decent, more jobs (or more job openings) means competition among firms and rising wages.

The alternative is socialism, and I'd be genuinely surprised if that's what you wanted.

I don't think full-blown socialism is the answer, but more socialistic solutions can be. Identify what is most needed in our society and train/pay people to provide those services. Even if you have to do it through a third party, so you can avoid the legacy costs associated with union/goverment employment.

Quote
I don't think technology is causing structural unemployment.  We had very, very low unemployment in the late 90's and low unemployment in the mid-00's before the seams came off the financial system.  It's not like the crash happened because a bunch of occupations suddenly became obsolete.  Also, GDP recovered ahead of employment in the Great Depression as well (stats from that era are a bit fuzzier but IIRC it's a sharp enough contrast that it doesn't really matter in this case).

But both of those periods were associated with bubbles. My whole life (since the mid-70's) our economy has been in malaise/stagnation outside of 3 3-year windows of wild economic growth/low unemployment (84-87, 97-00, 04-07). But maybe that's just where I live (Ohio/Rust Belt) clouding my perception.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 09, 2012, 11:19:29 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 08, 2012, 11:15:09 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
2 Latino candidates for prez in 2016, bank on it.

Rubio will most likely be the GOP candidate, because that's how they think they can win the latino vote.
I was discussing this in regards to Herman Cain with someone when they wondered why black people wouldn't vote for Cain.  I told them that's probably because Black people vote democrat, and not based on skin color.  The same thinking applies to Rubio (although I think Rubio would be much better on immigration than the current GOP as a whole), they see appeal based only on race.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
The data's a bit old, but still:

(http://i.imgur.com/N13wZ.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2012, 01:03:20 PM
Are you implying the rich people actually care more for the poor then the poor for themselves?

I think it could be a case of poor people living in rich states and being confronted with wealth they would like to share in. While poor people in poor states look for loopholes and less regulation so that they can  move up by doing things that aren't social. Its a more dog eat dog society when everyones poor around you, compared to a more social society when there is wealth just around the corner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 09, 2012, 01:04:08 PM
he's implying that liberals have cash money, conservative are filthy poors.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
It's that the people who rail the hardest against "big government" are often the biggest recipients of federal money.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 01:19:21 PM
Aren't those numbers  just a reflection of farm subsidies + low population density? Subsidies which actually only directly benefit a very small portion of the population.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 09, 2012, 01:27:19 PM
No way.  Farm subsidies are a tiny part of the budget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2012, 01:37:20 PM
It's why taxes in those states are so low. They take the federal money and use it to cover budget shortfalls instead of where it's supposed to go, social services.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 02:08:45 PM
Andrea Mitchel is reporting on alleged "tension" between Obama and David Petraeus, who will be coming to the WH today to discuss his future at the CIA. Hmmmm

There seems to be some pushback on whether this is just a discussion, whether he's getting fired, or whether he's getting promoted (perhaps to Sec of Def)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2012, 02:55:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAX8Dt_SQ6U&

 :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 02:55:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Zec2H.png)

boom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-lrftLQaQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 09, 2012, 03:13:55 PM
MSNBC is saying that Petraeus is resigning because of an affair
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2012, 03:17:34 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15054517-cia-director-david-petraeus-resigns-cites-extramarital-affair?lite
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2012, 03:18:44 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 03:24:26 PM
Gen. Petraeus’ affair involved an aide to Sen. Elect Elizabeth Warren.

holy shit. Petraeus' wife worked in the Consumer Protection agency alongside Warren

EDIT: False alarm, not true
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2012, 03:24:55 PM
She's one lucky lady.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 09, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Can't say I all that fussed about Patraeus one way or the other, though I guess intelligence and extra-marital affairs are a big no-no
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 03:36:32 PM
The Warren aide story isn't true, false alarm brehs. His wife used to work for Warren though
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2012, 03:43:22 PM
You know what that means

He is a lock to win South Carolina in the 2016 GOP primary
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2012, 05:17:39 PM
Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/acting-cia-director-mike-morell-to-testify-on
A spokesman for the Senate Intelligence Committee tells Politico that Acting CIA Director Mike Morell will testify on the Benghazi attack next week instead of David Petraeus, who resigned on Friday, admitting to an extramarital affair.

Fox News: "Petraeus could see the writing on the wall and got out as fast as he could!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 09, 2012, 05:33:19 PM
so when do we get to hear the real story on why he's resigning?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 05:37:44 PM
from MSNBC
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BREAKING NEWS: FBI investigating Petraeus biographer Paula Broadwell for trying to access his email
uh oh

lol @ Drudge's front page, which seems to have scooped who he had an affair with first. Drudge outed her with some Jay-Z esque subtlety.

edit: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/09/petraeus_resigns_over_affair_with_biographer.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 05:37:44 PM
from MSNBC
Quote
BREAKING NEWS: FBI investigating Petraeus biographer Paula Broadwell for trying to access his email
uh oh

lol @ Drudge's front page, which seems to have scooped who he had an affair with first. Drudge outed her with some Jay-Z esque subtlety.

ALL IN

He certainly was. :teehee

(http://i.imgur.com/tBXWj.jpg)

She looks like the kind of woman that would be into femdom. I hope this comes up in his next biography.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2012, 11:07:30 PM
Quote from: Green Man on November 08, 2012, 05:31:29 PM
Not sure if this should go in this thread or random talk but it's election related.

I found out that my sisters Italian teacher decided to talk about politics and specifically made not of his support for Romney, his disdain for Obama and had a lengthy discussion about Obamacare and how it shouldn't cover Abortions because that's wrong. My mom wants to let it go but I'm going to talk with my father about it. I think that's highly inappropriate, although I do think teens should be more informed about politics in a non-bias format.

Show up to the school and talk with the teacher yourself. Tell him it's good to get kids interested in politics but it's wrong and worth firing him over for telling people how good/bad Romney and Obama are and that abortion is wrong.

Threaten to tell the parents and the principal if he does it again.

And then drop your toothpick and walk away.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
SE Cupp trolling/annihilating Andrew Sullivan
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrew-sullivan-and-s-e-cupp-clash-over-gay-marriage-mormonism-on-real-time/
:fbm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2012, 11:19:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 11:08:49 PM
SE Cupp trolling/annihilating Andrew Sullivan
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrew-sullivan-and-s-e-cupp-clash-over-gay-marriage-mormonism-on-real-time/
:fbm

Looks interesting, but why is Skeletor between Sullivan and Cupp?  I didn't think He-Man was in the news lately.

Also... I would hate fuck Cupp until her hips popped out of joint.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2012, 11:23:11 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 08, 2012, 09:51:32 PM
2 Latino candidates for prez in 2016, bank on it.

Nah, it's pretty obvious minorities would side with the dem candidate. And it would humiliate the Republicans from trying to field a token again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2012, 11:35:48 PM
Ladies and gentlemen: Roger Simon, Politico journalist
https://twitter.com/politicoroger/status/267115386263187456

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 10, 2012, 05:23:54 AM
this is why i didn't want Obama to win:

http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-AMD.aspx

this rifle was $430 bucks a week ago, i've been holding off on buying one and now i'm going to pay for it, in 2008 ammo and gun prices went up due to the tards in the gun community hysterically buying shit and they never went back down and now it's happening again, and i'd bet everything it'll never go down again either.  fucking hick Cabela card carrying ass crack hanging out of their shit tier jeans Bubba's need to shoot themselves in the foot and bleed out all over their fall camo truck seat covers en masse...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 10, 2012, 07:06:59 AM
I guess you could say gun nuts are shooting themselves in the foot over Obama's win?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 10, 2012, 07:57:42 AM
Quote from: drew on November 10, 2012, 05:23:54 AM
this is why i didn't want Obama to win:

http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-AMD.aspx

this rifle was $430 bucks a week ago, i've been holding off on buying one and now i'm going to pay for it, in 2008 ammo and gun prices went up due to the tards in the gun community hysterically buying shit and they never went back down and now it's happening again, and i'd bet everything it'll never go down again either.  fucking hick Cabela card carrying ass crack hanging out of their shit tier jeans Bubba's need to shoot themselves in the foot and bleed out all over their fall camo truck seat covers en masse...

I'd rather have those same gun nuts insisting that Romney invade Iran

Get a job 47%er
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 10, 2012, 09:16:46 AM
(http://webmedia.newseum.org/newseum-multimedia/dfp/jpg10/lg/NY_NYP.jpg)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: drew on November 10, 2012, 01:21:39 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 10, 2012, 09:16:46 AM
(http://webmedia.newseum.org/newseum-multimedia/dfp/jpg10/lg/NY_NYP.jpg)

:lol

(http://images.4chan.org/k/src/1352526425790.gif)

 :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Not that it makes any difference at this point, but Florida was finally called a few minutes ago for Obama, who won by 74,000 votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 10, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
The New York Post fucking rules
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
We will never be rid of these fuckers, will we?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/another-bush-to-run-in-texas/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2012, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
We will never be rid of these fuckers, will we?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/another-bush-to-run-in-texas/

Half Mexican, speaks fluent Spanish, military service. He'll be here to stay
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 10, 2012, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Not that it makes any difference at this point, but Florida was finally called a few minutes ago for Obama, who won by 74,000 votes.

This is narrow enough for a recount isn't it? Or is that only if requested by a campaign?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 10, 2012, 03:57:57 PM
Allen West is refusing to concede (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fla-vote-beyond-recount-range-west-wont-concede) despite being outside the margin for recount. 

Quote
"We're simply not going to just walk away from the race until we see that the numbers add up," West campaign manager Tim Edson said.

god I love this election season.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
Unskew the votes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2012, 06:43:12 PM
I'm glad that low life lost, but I do wish the margins were significantly higher.

Would have been even better if he lost to Alan Grayson. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2012, 07:37:14 PM
from what I've heard, Alan Grayson's district is super liberal due to re-redistricting. He could be trolling republicans for decades
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2012, 07:45:29 PM
Why do we love this guy?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
I don't! Although I did like his "Die Quickly" presentation
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 10, 2012, 08:31:18 PM
I agree.  I prefer my elected officials to be milquetoast and afraid to rock the boat until it is politically expedient to do so.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2012, 09:01:35 PM
I like Grayson, but I tend to like people who make fun of stupid people/things.  Barney Frank was my favorite congresscritter for forever; I'm sad to see him go.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 10, 2012, 09:03:08 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 10, 2012, 03:45:18 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Not that it makes any difference at this point, but Florida was finally called a few minutes ago for Obama, who won by 74,000 votes.

This is narrow enough for a recount isn't it? Or is that only if requested by a campaign?

I don't think so- I believe it has to be within .5% to trigger an automatic recount.  Romney could probably ask for a recount but I believe his campaign has already said they won't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 10, 2012, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2012, 03:09:47 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
We will never be rid of these fuckers, will we?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/another-bush-to-run-in-texas/

Half Mexican, speaks fluent Spanish, military service. He'll be here to stay

I've been calling this one for years.  He'll do pretty well: half Hispanic to bring in the voters they want to get and it's a Bush so it's a familiar name to white people.  He's the perfect trojan horse for the new southern strategy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2012, 10:19:25 PM
Bibi was looking at unskewed polls too, lmao
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Betting on the wrong horse: The night Benjamin Netanyahu will not soon forget

The astonishment that seized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his advisers on Wednesday morning, as President Barack Obama crossed the threshold of 270 electoral votes needed to return him to the White House, was as absolute as it was authentic. Netanyahu was utterly convinced that the presidency was in the pocket of the candidate of his choice, his old buddy Mitt Romney. In private conversations, he ridiculed anyone who advised him not to rule out a scenario in which the other candidate was the winner.

What made Netanyahu and his political adviser, the American-born Ron Dermer, ignore the various polling analyses - such as Nate Silver's FiveThirtyEight blog for The New York Times - that were published every day in the American media, and that almost universally predicted an Obama victory?

That question has a two-word answer: Arthur Finkelstein. Until the end, the legendary strategic adviser and polling expert - who is working with Netanyahu and his running mate in the upcoming election in January, Yisrael Beiteinu's Avigdor Lieberman - hammered it into their heads that Mitt Romney would be the next president of the United States. Finkelstein predicted a 4 percent win for Romney in the popular vote (he lost by approximately 2 percent) and victories in all the swing states (Romney lost all but one).
rest of article: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44205785&postcount=12052
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2012, 11:06:44 PM
Seems the right wing bubble extends over international waters.


Also too:

(http://i.minus.com/ibwT4xiIpXSdgf.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2012, 11:10:38 PM
she fufills the Velma fantasies of my childhood
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2012, 11:12:51 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 10, 2012, 11:06:44 PM
(http://i.minus.com/ibwT4xiIpXSdgf.gif)

Definitely need a video of this. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Atramental on November 11, 2012, 12:05:51 AM
Did someone already say in this thread that they would hate fuck Cupp?

I think I'm in that boat as well.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 11, 2012, 10:03:08 AM
but would you hatefuck orson scott card? http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2012-11-08-1.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 11, 2012, 10:54:45 AM
Quote from: Atramental on November 11, 2012, 12:05:51 AM
Did someone already say in this thread that they would hate fuck Cupp?

I think I'm in that boat as well.  :-\

She's got a bit of a manjaw going on but whatevs,  :hitit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2012, 11:27:52 AM
Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 11, 2012, 10:03:08 AM
but would you hatefuck orson scott card? http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2012-11-08-1.html

Quote
You have to attack Fox News and sneer at them and accuse them of bias, don't you -- because they're actually doing the job you merely pretend to do. They shame you by their genuinely balanced coverage, so you have to lie and accuse them of being what you are: ideological hacks, providing propaganda in order to advance a cause, while hiding the unhelpful truth.

:bow :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2012, 05:29:27 PM
so peter king trying to insinuate the petreaus affair "just doesn't add up," questioning obama's handling of the situation.

good fucking christ, ALREADY
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 11, 2012, 05:47:22 PM
Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ap-broadwell-sent-emails-to-state-dept-official
Paula Broadwell, the biographer who had an affair with CIA Director David Petraeus, sent threatening emails to the State Department's liaison to the military's Joint Special Operations Command, a senior military official told the Associated Press. The emails from Broadwell to the official, Jill Kelley of Tampa, Fla., triggered the FBI investigation that led to the discovery of the affair.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Diunx on November 11, 2012, 07:14:07 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 10, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
We will never be rid of these fuckers, will we?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/09/another-bush-to-run-in-texas/

Jorge Bush :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 11, 2012, 09:03:55 PM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/536613_10151326925656081_1854428624_n.jpg)

:bow Romney, the job creator :bow2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2012, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on November 11, 2012, 05:29:27 PM
so peter king trying to insinuate the petreaus affair "just doesn't add up," questioning obama's handling of the situation.

good fucking christ, ALREADY

Whelp, turns out Eric Cantor knew about this last month. BUBUBUBUBU OBAMA CONSPIRACY!!!!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 11, 2012, 11:21:52 PM
Quote from: drew on November 10, 2012, 05:23:54 AM
this is why i didn't want Obama to win:

http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-AMD.aspx

this rifle was $430 bucks a week ago, i've been holding off on buying one and now i'm going to pay for it, in 2008 ammo and gun prices went up due to the tards in the gun community hysterically buying shit and they never went back down and now it's happening again, and i'd bet everything it'll never go down again either.  fucking hick Cabela card carrying ass crack hanging out of their shit tier jeans Bubba's need to shoot themselves in the foot and bleed out all over their fall camo truck seat covers en masse...

what a boring gun.  Buy one of these  http://landofmachines.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/puntgunland.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2012, 05:49:12 PM
Grover Norquist said that Obama doesn't have a mandate because he was elected solely on the basis of being being "Not-Romney", because Obama convinced voters that Romney was a quote "poopy-head".

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/grover-norquist-romney-poopy-head?ref=fpb

Can't make this stuff up.  :dur
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 12, 2012, 06:37:32 PM
His car is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 12, 2012, 10:47:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Xm6Ow.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 13, 2012, 04:03:23 AM
Quote from: Eric P on November 08, 2012, 05:45:40 AM
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2012-11-08-1.html


i'm certain the author of beloved children's book "Ender's War" has some insightful words about the election and media coverage of the president.

but really it's all amazing

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Now America has only two choices.

One choice is for the Republican House to investigate Benghazi, struggling to expose the truth about Barack Obama's high crimes and misdemeanors, both in his culpable negligence during the attack on our consulate, and in his repeated lies afterward to try to conceal his malfeasance.

You will, of course, support the Beloved Leader in his stonewalling, his refusal to supply documents. You will treat all his lies as if they were not lies; you will ignore the story as much as possible, calling it "old news."

Above all, you will attack the Republican Congressmen as you attacked Kenneth Starr, making them pay such a high price for trying to do your job and uncover the truth that they may well give up. You know, the way you all fell in line to attack Romney for criticizing the administration's response to the attacks on our embassy and consulate.

On the other hand, inside the military, the CIA, and the State Department, there are a lot of angry public servants who now understand that the Beloved Leader does not care about them, that he will abandon them to our enemies, that he will not protect them from terrorists if it isn't politically useful to him.

These disillusioned, angry people will make sure that the evidence is given to the Republicans in the House, and the genuine reporters at Fox News, and the real journalists scattered here and there across the country, and the bloggers on the internet who are unafraid of the truth.

Oh, you'll sneer at or vilify them all, when they do your job and tell the truth about the Beloved Leader.

Still, it's possible that we will be able to impeach this lying incompetent president that is getting a second term only because of your cooperation with his lies. It's possible that we can undo the damage you have done.

But far more likely is the other alternative -- that, faced with your monolithic groupthink, your insistent flacking for the Beloved Leader, your dishonesty that is equal to his dishonesty, your emulation of Pravda, the Republicans in Congress will give up, Fox News will drop the story, it will all go away, and the Beloved Leader will continue in power.

Then, when his appeasement of our enemies results in a nuclear explosion in Tel Aviv ...

When more and more Al-Qaeda-style attacks kill more Jews and more Americans around the world ...

When Obama's incompetent and anti-scientific economic policies have the consequences that such policies always have, and the American economy collapses under the weight of debts and entitlements ...

When Obama's crushing policies result in American healthcare sinking to the low level of service, the endless waiting lists, the needless death and suffering in the name of "fairness" that already afflict Europeans and Canadians ...

When the burden of ever-steeper taxes moves capital and industry and innovation to other countries ...

Will you step forward and take responsibility, and say, "We should have known; in fact we did know, but we did not tell you"?

Will you accept accountability for your lies and omissions in support of the Beloved Leader, for your slanders of the opponents of the Beloved Leader, for your having put your ideology and group loyalty above any notion of truth and honor?

It's sad to see this. Normally I am pretty good about being able to separate someone's craft from their personal opinions and values, but I don't think I'll be able to read any Orson Scott Card again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 13, 2012, 01:10:08 PM
Man scary things are happening in Greece
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1113/1224326523978.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
It's scary to see what's going on in Greece right now, even scarier to think that it's probably going to keep getting worse.  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2012, 02:14:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: cool breeze on November 13, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Call of Duty predictes that Petraeus will be defense secretary in 2025

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/11/13/arts/13DUTY-jp1/13DUTY-jp1-popup.jpg)

how unfortunate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 13, 2012, 03:11:10 PM
(http://politicalwire.com/assets_c/2012/11/all-up-thumb-550x351-417.jpg)

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ABC's Denver affiliate accidentally ran a fake cover of Paula Broadwell's biography of General David Petraeus in a story on the burgeoning sex scandal, Americablog reports.

The book's real title is All In. The doctored book cover read, All Up In My Snatch

oops

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
:lol

Was Vernon Loeb in there too? Must have been crowded.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2012, 09:47:27 PM
holy shit she is ripped. I wonder if Patraeus was into pegging (http://imageshack.us/a/img593/407/whoar.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 12:31:05 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/us/politics/boehner-tells-house-gop-to-fall-in-line.html?smid=tw-share

Shorter: Boehner on conference call with the House GOP, tells them they're going to keep fighting for lower taxes but they have to avoid giant disruptive showdowns, reconcile themselves to the idea of compromise, and generally cut the shit.

Jon Chait thinks that GOP legislators and strategists were banking so hard on a Romney win that they aren't all that prepared for dealing with a re-elected Obama.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2012, 12:36:13 AM
Likely excuse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 12:39:05 AM
Nor they seem to realize Obama has all the leverage on the Bush taxes. All he has to do is wait for them to expire, then introduce a new tax cut that revives the $250k and below rate. I'd imagine Boehner would actually prefer that option: republicans would be voting for a (middle income) tax cut and wouldn't break Norquist's "no new taxes" pledge. Whereas if they vote on it now, they'd be sacrificing the higher income taxes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 12:45:32 AM
Even if Boehner's expecting to concede the top marginal rate (and sounds like McConnell's in the same boat), they probably won't frame it that way in public, cause then Obama gets credit for cutting taxes, and they can't demand anything in return for a tax hike which never happened.

Anyway, I expect some sort of agreement with less drama that leaves everyone a bit grumpy.  And the librul blogs will flip shit, only to find out literally years later that there were provisions in there they actually liked.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 12:51:14 AM
Oh I'm sure the "fiscal cliff" megadeal will feature plenty of stuff both sides loath, but the Bush tax cuts will be handled separately. At this point I'd be shocked if Obama doesn't let them all expire. He's on record saying he'll veto any bill that extends the top rate, I don't see how he'll fall back from that.

In a perfect world we'd just eliminate the social security tax cap and allow Medicare to negotiate directly for lower prescription drug prices, eliminate the Medicare age requirement, and open the program up to means testing. I should write an e-book
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 12:53:21 AM
No no no no no no no no no no means testing.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 12:58:15 AM
Hmm why not, curious. Seems like the best thing to do alongside allowing everyone to purchase into the program, to ensure older/poorer patients aren't being ignored
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 14, 2012, 01:18:22 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/nyregion/chris-christie-reverses-stand-on-tax-hikes-after-storm.html?ref=nyregion&_r=0

that about wraps it up, tubby
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2012, 01:21:21 AM
Incredible. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 01:33:36 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 12:58:15 AM
Hmm why not, curious. Seems like the best thing to do alongside allowing everyone to purchase into the program, to ensure older/poorer patients aren't being ignored

For political rather than policy reasons actually.

"Programs for the poor are poor programs."  Policies that give out universal benefits enjoy higher levels of support across a much broader swath of the electorate than policies that explicitly direct resources towards lower-income folks.  It's a big part of what make SS, Medicare, the mortgage deduction, etc. so untouchable (like the NHS in Britain) but food stamps, welfare, and Medicaid tend to be chronically underfunded and under fire.  Pretty sure there's actual social science that backs this up.

Expanding Medicare in some form is an interesting idea though, since it's a hugely popular brand, much more so than "universal health care."  Don't really know the nuts and bolts of how it works now to have much of an opinion on how to do it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 02:05:57 AM
That's an interesting point. Still, I'm not sure charging richer people more for Medicare would sully the program's image or popularity. I don't support turning Medicare into Medicaid - regular people who pay into the program all their life would still receive the same benefits they receive today. But if someone is 35 and wants to purchase Medicare, I see no reason in telling them to wait 30 more years. Likewise I'm sure there are plenty of more well off, younger (or older) folks willing to pay more for Medicare, which could still be cheaper than the best private insurance plans.

By increasing the Medicare pool you'd lower costs; means testing seems like it could be a good tool to ensure "Medicare for all" doesn't lead younger people being prioritized ahead of older people.

I remember Sherrod Brown wanted to lower the Medicare age to 55 during the health care battle, and Wyden introduced a Medicare for all option. Naturally Lieberman shitcanned both (to be fair, with the help of some other democrats)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 02:29:07 AM
Well, sounds like you're not means-testing for access to the program so much as subsidizing health insurance for low-income purchasers.  In which case you could probably just use or modify the subsidies from the ACA, but here I go talking about shit I don't understand...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 02:41:51 AM
Yea. My understanding of means testing was that it meant people who make more pay more. With the caveat that lower and middle class people would not see their benefit levels change. Strictly aimed at people over a certain income bracket.

It's definitely an interesting issue with a whole lot of info out there on, I've only scratched the surface in terms of research. Luckily the ACA will kind of speed up general understanding of this stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UWe4R.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2012, 01:39:26 PM
The god damn state of california sent my company URGENT CERTIFIED MAIL that I figured was something serious and needed to be addressed.  But no, it was a fucking packet on the new PLASTIC BAG LAWS.  It cost them 7 dollars to send, and probably an additional 3 for materials and labor.  So 10 dollars to every company that has a resellers license to explain PLASTIC BAGS, somthing that can be done by email.  No wonder our State is fucking broke.  (That's my Libertarian rant for the week, I'll be back to hippie shit tomorrow).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 01:54:20 PM
In general, people I know with businesses rant more about dealing with state and local authorities than with the feds.  That might be because they're small businesses and it's different for the big corporations (I know a manager at a company that does a lot of contract work for the DoD and says that there's a ton of extra work to comply with federal oversight) but maybe there's room for libertarians to make inroads there?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2012, 02:21:08 PM
I honestly think that would be more useful than railing against the Federal Government.  Most large corporations simply have a compliance staff, but for small businesses like mine, it's me against the Government of California.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Well, if it makes you feel any better, the California government gets hundreds of billions of dollars kicked down to them from the Federal government every year. So, we all share(d) in the sacrifice of better informing you the citizen.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 02:40:56 PM
Something something block grants laboratories of democracy decentralization something something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2012, 04:03:16 PM
so republicans aren't letting go of this benghazi thing even though it failed to gain traction in the election

fucking scumdouches
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2012, 04:39:16 PM
Mandark's people fulfilling the GOPs Israeli fan-fic by wiling out on Hamas right after the election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 04:44:57 PM
Yea....gonna need Mandark to hold a press conference on this ASAP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
Shockingly, there's an Israeli election coming up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 14, 2012, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 04:44:57 PM
Yea....gonna need Mandark to hold a press conference on this ASAP

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
I'm so glad this loser is done, forever

Quote
Mitt Romney told his top donors Wednesday that his loss to President Obama was a disappointing result that neither he or his top aides had expected, but said he believed his team ran a “superb” campaign with “no drama,” and attributed his rival’s victory to “the gifts” the administration had given to blacks, Hispanics and young voters during Obama’s  first term.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-election-campaign-donors-20121114,0,5622330.story
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 14, 2012, 05:26:26 PM
Seeing how bitter and butt hurt John McCain is nowadays makes me glad Mittens was never in the senate or in any position of power in the government. Can you imagine the type of tantrums he'd throw?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 14, 2012, 07:18:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fjn9y.jpg)

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 09:53:22 PM
Quote
Nate Silver Goes to Hollywood?

A "high-level talent agency" tells the Hollywood Reporter that Nate Silver "is attracting strong interest from the industry. This person believes Silver could try his hand at everything from box-office analysis to a correspondent gig on a television news program, not to mention radio shows and public speaking."

Silver confirms he "has been approached with offers from TV producers, is pondering a follow-up to his best-selling book The Signal and the Noise (which hit No. 2 on Amazon post-election) and has been courted by Los Angeles-based talent agencies."
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/14/quote_of_the_day.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjZRAvsZf1g
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 14, 2012, 10:10:43 PM
What I don't understand is why isn't he already scooped up by actual political people. Not enough pay for that sort of thing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2012, 10:42:29 PM
Campaigns, at least Democratic ones, are already using stat and social science geeks (see this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/05/sasha-issenberg-how-the-democrats-pulled-ahead-of-the-republicans-on-gotv/) and the NYer piece on Obama's GOTV).  On the Daily Show Silver said that he's not ahead of what the campaigns are doing, he's ahead of how it's covered by the media.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
Plus Obama's camp shared their internals with him in 2008 so he could parse their numbers. And of course this year they hired a host of Silver-type analysis, much to Peggy Noonan's distress
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/13/1161327/-Peggy-Noonan-mocked-data-nerds-who-won-the-presidency
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
Peggy Noonan :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 14, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
I will not be at all surprised when Aaron Sorkin comes out with his screenplay about Nate Silver to close out his "numbers geek invades alpha-male territory" trilogy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2012, 12:18:44 AM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 14, 2012, 10:59:57 PM
I will not be at all surprised when Aaron Sorkin comes out with his screenplay about Nate Silver to close out his "numbers geek invades alpha-male territory" trilogy.

And this will play over Nate Silver crunching poll numbers at his computer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yczul_609Gg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2012, 01:15:54 AM
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/11/14/fox-news-kicks-off-swift-boat-campaign-against/191387

SMH
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2012, 01:56:56 AM
welp, Israel apparently just blew up the Hamas military chief with some air strikes.  WWIII looking more and more likely.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2012, 09:12:07 AM
http://www.pressherald.com/politics/Maine-Republican-chairman-questions-black-voters-.html

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"In some parts of rural Maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came in and voted on Election Day," he said. "Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in (these) towns knows anyone who's black. How did that happen? I don't know. We're going to find out."

When Carrigan pressed Webster on where it happened, Webster provided no specifics or proof of his claims, but said the party would investigate further.

"I'm not talking about 15 or 20. I'm talking hundreds," he said Wednesday. "I'm not politically correct and maybe I shouldn't have said these voters were black, but anyone who suggests I have a bias toward any race or group, frankly, that's sleazy."

Black people voting in my state?!? Quickly Robin, to the Bigotmobile.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM

"bubububu marijuana!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2012, 01:16:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKi_Ce0c6FU
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2012, 02:26:34 PM
Old white men scurred about black folks voting.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 15, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
3 posts up.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2012, 02:31:50 PM
And I even read that post, too!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2012, 02:49:44 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2012, 11:58:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhQ31b_dbnM

"bubububu marijuana!"

"It's not treasonous, our country was founded on seceding from England!"

Uh yeah, and they were committing treason.  ::) Not that any of this secession talk is serious, no one with two brain cells believes there's any chance it could really happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2012, 12:01:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccwyKIuUWBk
:smug

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2012, 05:37:07 PM
I'm not the only person bothered by the "Chicago-style politics" attack on Obama, am I? It's just such a limp-wristed, no-substance, no-effort attack, and it requires two major assumptions. The first being that Chicago politics are incredibly and broadly corrupt, but no proof is ever brought up to substantiate this. Then it assumes that Obama, because he was a politician in Chicago [which is incredibly corrupt] is necessarily corrupt himself and has no problem with using illegal and unethical tactics to win. That's not even my biggest problem with it, though. It's also a blatantly obvious dog whistle. What they really want to say is "of course he cheats, he's a black man!" but, of course, they'd really actually like to use a different a term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2012, 07:33:41 PM
I suppose the generous explanation could be that the attacks reference Chicago's somewhat dodgy election past, such as the stuffed boxes for Kennedy in 1960. The less than generous explanation is that Obama is the product of gangland politics, has thugs do his dirty work, etc.

Let's not forget these people cheered when Chicago didn't receive the Olympics nod; I was baffled at the idea of Chicago hosting but only a hater of the most supreme caliber would root against his own country's interests like conservatives did with that. Plus when Rahm became mayor there were plenty of GANGLAND VIOLENCE front page posts on Drudge.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 16, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/corruption-rampant-in-chi_n_1625701.html

There are reasons why places like chicago and Louisiana carry reputations of corruption.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2012, 11:51:26 PM
Chicago kept a pretty powerful patronage-based political machine decades after most other American cities, and IIRC has the most convictions of public officials for corruption over the last several decades (though DC has it beat per capita, easy).  The reputation is probably a bit overblown at this point, but there is history.

That said, of course the "Chicago thugs" label being applied to Obama & co. is just a way for folks that hate him to vent, rather than anything remotely rational.  At this point, he's an amalgam of Boss Tweed, Neville Chamberlain, Yasser Arafat, Leon Trotsky, Frantz Fanon, and Ice Cube circa NWA.  At this point I've given up expecting the rage to be even internally coherent.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2012, 11:58:36 PM
more like Ice Cube circa Amerikkka's Most Wanted imo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 17, 2012, 12:13:03 AM
Straight Outta Honolulu
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 17, 2012, 12:29:54 AM
Eh, I get that Chicago's got its political problems, but you hardly ever hear about them in the same story as anything to do with Obama. It's just "Chicago? Bad! Obama? From Chicago!" without actually offering any substantive evidence or connection beyond the tangential. Yeah, I guess it's kind of an "old man yelling at cloud" kind of thing, but it just really bugs me for some reason.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 17, 2012, 02:31:41 AM
Wasn't Al Capone referred to as the "mayor of Chicago"?

Therefore Obama = Al Capone.

Thought that was pretty self explanatory.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 17, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 17, 2012, 02:31:41 AM
Wasn't Al Capone referred to as the "mayor of Chicago"?

Therefore Obama = Al Capone.

Thought that was pretty self explanatory.

"Fox News logic"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 17, 2012, 06:30:06 PM
HAY GUYZ WTF IS GOING ON IN ISRAEL AND GA-

Oh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_legislative_election,_2013
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 17, 2012, 06:30:06 PM
HAY GUYZ WTF IS GOING ON IN ISRAEL AND GA-

Oh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_legislative_election,_2013

*cough* (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=28125.msg1582538#msg1582538)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 17, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
QUIET YOU

So are Israeli elections like Groundhog Day, where if there's a crazy massacre of Palestinians right beforehand your people are stuck with four more years of Avigdor Lieberman?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2012, 06:43:46 PM
Veerrry tempted to defriend some folks on twitter and facebook who are cheering all this. Israel should protect itself, Palestinians hurling rockets is stupid etc etc...but cheerleading this nonsense is rather ignorance. Lots of innocent people are getting blown up right now, and most aren't Jewish.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2012, 06:56:28 PM
Israel-Palestine is the quickest, surest way to bring out horribly ugly tribal sentiments.  Israeli domestic politics are pretty depressing right now, too.  I'm more hopeful of normalized relations between the US and Iran than meaningful progress towards a lasting peace there.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 17, 2012, 11:35:00 PM
(http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/itsnotantisemitismwhenwingnutsdoit.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 17, 2012, 11:36:38 PM
 :hans1 :derp :hans1 :derp :hans1 :derp :hans1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 17, 2012, 11:49:20 PM
Was forced to watch faux news all weekend. Fiscal cliff, taxes going up on everyone, bengazi, fiscal cliff merry go round.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2012, 01:49:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICCH4GzCBI4
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 18, 2012, 02:01:03 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 17, 2012, 11:49:20 PM
Was forced to watch faux news all weekend. Fiscal cliff, taxes going up on everyone, bengazi, fiscal cliff merry go round.

It amazes me that they can pretend the concept of the fiscal cliff came out of the ether
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2012, 04:53:29 PM
Marco Rubio comments on hip-hop:

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The only guy that speaks at any sort of depth is, in my mind, Eminem.


Gonna need a response from PD.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
I have heard many insulting or stupid arguments about hip hop over the last decade and a half, but none tops the never ending "I don't like hip hop but I like Eminem; everyone else doesn't say anything but violent or gangster stuff" meme. It will never die, and it's made worse because I live in Michigan. Even my un-hip, religious mother loves Eminem; the only other rapper she likes is Coolio, because she saw him on one of those judge shows and "he defended himself well and seemed intelligent."

I guarantee if GQ asked a follow up question (I know, I know) along the lines of "what other hip hop have you listened to?" he would say "well, I don't listen to any. I've heard a few tracks on the radio and they were rather unappealing." God dammit.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 19, 2012, 05:51:21 PM
i dunno.  asking politicians about rappers seems as inconsequential as to which lolcat is their favorite.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 19, 2012, 06:29:27 PM
To quote recursivelyenumerable from the Larry Craig "wide stance" scandal of aught six, "I know it doesn't have any impact on policy, but it's fucking funny."


Plus, it's America!  Campaigning is at least as much about signaling your tribal affiliations as it is discussing actual substance.  Which is why it took so long for Mitt Romney to figure out which TV shows to say were his favorite that he missed the deadline (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/11/gears-turn-lights-blink-and-mitt-romney-tells-us-his-favorite-tv-shows) to respond to TV Guide.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 19, 2012, 07:00:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WFWJW6XVKQ&feature=related

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/world/middleeast/israeli-iron-dome-stops-a-rocket-with-a-rocket.html?_r=0
Man I'm happy there are wars because this kind of tech is so cool.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2012, 06:33:58 AM
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    Kristina Collins, a chiropractor in McLean, Va., said she and her husband planned to closely monitor the business income from their joint practice to avoid crossing the income threshold for higher taxes outlined by President Obama on earnings above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples.

    Ms. Collins said she felt torn by being near the cutoff line and disappointed that federal tax policy was providing a disincentive to keep expanding a business she founded in 1998.

    “If we’re really close and it’s near the end-year, maybe we’ll just close down for a while and go on vacation,” she said.

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/11/your-job-creators-ladies-and-gentlemen.html

Take that, ObaMAO. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2012, 10:58:51 AM
Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/20/murdoch-rebuffed-christies-refusal-to-politiciz/191467
Now, The New York Times has reported that Murdoch's tweet prompted Christie to call Murdoch on November 3 to personally explain that "amid the devastation, New Jersey needed friends no matter their political party." But Murdoch rebuffed Christie's explanation for why he had praised Obama and, according to the Times, bluntly told Christie that he "risked looking like a spoiler unless he publicly reaffirmed his support for Romney." Following the call, Christie reiterated his support for Romney the following day.

 :derp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on November 20, 2012, 06:33:58 AM
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    Kristina Collins, a chiropractor in McLean, Va., said she and her husband planned to closely monitor the business income from their joint practice to avoid crossing the income threshold for higher taxes outlined by President Obama on earnings above $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples.

    Ms. Collins said she felt torn by being near the cutoff line and disappointed that federal tax policy was providing a disincentive to keep expanding a business she founded in 1998.

    “If we’re really close and it’s near the end-year, maybe we’ll just close down for a while and go on vacation,” she said.

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/11/your-job-creators-ladies-and-gentlemen.html

Take that, ObaMAO. :smug
How can small business owners be this stupid...

I guess to be fair democrats do a bad job of explaining marginal tax policy; most people seem to think that if they make more than 250k than all of it is taxed at the top rate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 20, 2012, 11:51:02 AM
Yup, someone on the facebook was saying that soon if you make a million dollars, you only keep 9% of it.   :-\

Let's make statistics and basic economics mandatory in Highschool.  Fuck the arts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 12:40:27 PM
Couple months back a FB friend posted about how Obamacare would tax all house sales (http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp).  I tried to explain that it was a capital gains tax, and that the first $500k in (inflation-adjusted) profit for a primary residence is still exempt, and his response was just "January 2013."

I remember when being a nerd meant making people bored or mildly exasperated, rather than outright hostile.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 20, 2012, 01:11:50 PM
I also told some conservative friends that Israel is merely a regional problem and not really the epic world shaking problem they imagine it to be.

You can imagine how that went over :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 01:23:30 PM
ahaha

A conservative I know tried to sell me on McCain in '08 by sending me to a Ben Shapiro video on how Obama was going to let Israel be overrun by Arab terrorists.  I'm not sure which was more insulting: that he thought my Jewiness must imply a devotion to Israel so slavish I'd ditch all my other beliefs, or that he thought I'd take anything Ben Shapiro said seriously.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2012, 01:33:40 PM
"Obama will abandon Israel in their time of need!" was the original whitey tape. I can't say I'm surprised there don't seem to be any loud complaints about the US response to Israel's recent actions - conservatives seem the loudest when nothing is happening.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 20, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 20, 2012, 01:11:50 PM
I also told some conservative friends that Israel is merely a regional problem and not really the epic world shaking problem they imagine it to be.

You can imagine how that went over :lol

They explained their positions rationally and without doomsday rhetoric?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2012, 03:09:06 PM
Dean Chambers is back!

http://www.barackofraudo.com/ (http://www.barackofraudo.com/)

:smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 20, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2012, 03:09:06 PM
Dean Chambers is back!

http://www.barackofraudo.com/ (http://www.barackofraudo.com/)

:smug

Barack O'Fraudo, our first Irish president. :american
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 03:50:22 PM
Unskewed geneology.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 20, 2012, 04:17:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8RrBCT_NXI

 :hans1
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2012, 04:20:50 PM
"more responsive to the people it represents" = "more responsive to what I want"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 20, 2012, 05:13:57 PM
"Ron Paul for the 2013 United SOUTHERN States of America"

hmm ... 2 birds 1 stone
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 20, 2012, 05:48:25 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on November 20, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 20, 2012, 03:09:06 PM
Dean Chambers is back!

http://www.barackofraudo.com/ (http://www.barackofraudo.com/)

:smug

Barack O'Fraudo, our first Irish president. :american

I knew it was you, Fraudo. You broke my heart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 20, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
Romney resurfaces after losing his bid for the most powerful office in the world:
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2012, 07:09:48 PM
THAT POOR HAIR
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
Some days, I have to pinch myself to remember that Andrew Breitbart is still dead and Obama will be President for another four years.  Feels good, man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 20, 2012, 07:21:39 PM
yea, that picture helped persuade me that I have somehow managed to slip out of the Darkest Timeline for a spell.  Soon it will be raining donuts. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 20, 2012, 08:48:39 PM
Romney fills up his own tank? I would have thought he'd have someone to do that for him.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
Ron Paul.  :poop

I like how crazy people have followed his schtick all the way to the inevitable Confederacy argument of state's rights and secession. Yep. These people aren't racist. They just coincidentally have the exact same views as racist people.

So sad that a person can have the right opinion on defense issues and then spoil it by being bat shit insane on everything else.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 20, 2012, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
So sad that a person can have the right opinion on defense issues and then spoil it by being bat shit insane on everything else.

Sometimes a broken clock is right twice a day.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on November 20, 2012, 08:55:40 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 20, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
So sad that a person can have the right opinion on defense issues and then spoil it by being bat shit insane on everything else.

Sometimes a broken clock is right twice a day.

True. It's just sad to me when a person speaks correctly on a particular issue (and is one of the few people doing it on the public stage) and then ruins it by being a scumbag on other stuff or in his personal life. I feel roughly the same about John Edwards who spoke very eloquently about poverty in America and then ruined it by being a hideous monster in his personal life.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
I'm fine about it, cause I only supported him for president.  Stoney's volunteer work on his campaign for Husband of the Year 2008 does look pretty bad in retrospect.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2012, 09:05:32 PM
I kind of disagree.  John Edwards was basically right about 95% of everything he said.  In his private life, he was an adulterous jerk, but whatever.  He'd run the country better than, say, George W. Bush did, or arguably even other Democrats.

Ron Paul is right about civil liberties and defense spending.  I'd like to see some more transparency from the fed, as well.  Other than that, he's disastrously, disastrously wrong on everything. 

To me, your fundamental views on what you want government to do are more important than who you're fucking out of wedlock, basically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
I'll take it a bit further.

It's not totally clear whether the Edwards who ran for the Democratic nomination was more or less the "real" Edwards that served as Senator from NC, or that either one is real.  But it doesn't really matter.  Worst case scenario he was a Democrat who was going to be beholden to a Democratic coalition and surrounded by Democratic staff, and on top of that at least believed it was in his self-interest to talk explicitly about the plight of the poor.

Ron Paul's a nutbar whose ideas about foreign policy and civil liberties are more the product of his own dogma than any reasoned empathy for his fellow man.  There's no real point in discussing how he'd fare as president, because he could only ever win an election on an Earth Prime with very different politics from ours.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2012, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 20, 2012, 07:12:18 PM
Some days, I have to pinch myself to remember that Andrew Breitbart is still dead

The guy may have been a scumbag, but there's no reason to beat a dead Breitbart horse.









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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 20, 2012, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: Barry Egan on November 20, 2012, 06:44:10 PM
Romney resurfaces after losing his bid for the most powerful office in the world:
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He looks like someone fresh out of the bed either from drinking all day or having sex all day or both.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2012, 02:14:49 PM
A rough framework of the deal?

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December 21st, people keep saying. We’ll have a deal by December 21st… Here’s how it could work: The top-income tax cuts expire, as Obama wants. Those cuts only raise about $80 billion in 2013, so they’re a ‘down payment’ on reform. And their cost is that the Democrats identify roughly $80 billion in spending cuts that can be passed into law now — so Republicans also get a ‘down payment’ on the bigger deal. And all this happens in the context of a framework for a larger deal, which includes the promise of tax reform in 2013.”


Basically this is all piddly shit and more punting into the future.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
Deficit reduction of $160 billion in a single year (~$2 trillion for the typical 10-year forecasts, assuming 5% nominal GDP growth) would not be piddly shit.

Especially by the standards of a lame duck Congressional session.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
and lets not forget that getting rid of the Bush tax cuts is not a one year effect - it'll reduce the deficit by what, 800b over ten years? That alongside no longer wasting hundreds of billions in Iraq/Afghanistan alone will significantly reduce the deficit (even more so once the recession's effects wear off and the economy starts growing at a good pace).

please don't tell me you're gonna pull the "raising rich people's taxes would only pay to run the government for a day!" card TA  :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 02:41:03 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
and lets not forget that getting rid of the Bush tax cuts is not a one year effect - it'll reduce the deficit by what, 800b over ten years?

Quote from: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
Deficit reduction of $160 billion in a single year (~$2 trillion for the typical 10-year forecasts, assuming 5% nominal GDP growth) would not be piddly shit.

*ahem*
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2012, 02:57:10 PM
damn my bad

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
Deficit reduction of $160 billion in a single year (~$2 trillion for the typical 10-year forecasts, assuming 5% nominal GDP growth) would not be piddly shit.

Especially by the standards of a lame duck Congressional session.

The CBO's projections of GDP are shit. It's (more likely) going to be 1-3 percent for the foreseeable future, with another mild recession likely. Which means less revenues overall and more pressure to increase federal spending to plug the leaky holes in our dike.

Look, I get undoing the Bush Tax cuts in slow steps and using them as the new quasi-welfare program for the lower classes ... but "protecting" the middle and upper middle class by keeping them at the same rates is just bad policy. You're talking about even more trillions of dollars in revenues lost. Which means more deficits and more political power to the Grover Norquist's of the country.

Every year they punt their responsibility in letting them expire is another opportunity lost and another shot at someone else making them permanant.


http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_cbpp_deficit_long_term.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 03:21:14 PM
Nominal GDP.

Today is the day of people barely skimming over my posts.   :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2012, 03:25:40 PM
My point is still the same. This is the projections of the most recent CBO report:

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As the economy adjusts to a lower path for budget deficits, real GDP is projected to begin growing again in late 2013. The pace of economic expansion will average 4.3 percent from 2014 through 2017, CBO projects, although the economy will continue to operate below its potential level (when output reflects a high rate of use of labor and capital) until 2018.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 03:37:16 PM
So set the nominal rate to 4% if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that $160 billion in reduction in 2013 gets you about $2 billion total reduction in the span of 2013-22.  Which ain't de minimis.

Plus the projection you're citing is for a baseline scenario where all the fiscal cliff policies go into effect, plus stuff like the AMT and Medicare reimbursement rates which are always adjusted.  It's a completely unrealistic "current law" calculation which they're obligated to do, but won't reflect any reasonably possible political outcome.  In that scenario, they have the US in an outright recession for a year, then showing above-average growth for a few years* before it settles into 2.4% real growth for the half-decade after that.

So it's not like the CBO's throwing out fantasist growth numbers to smooth over the math, Paul Ryan style.



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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2012, 03:50:58 PM
If you believe GDP growth will remain tepid and the another recession is on the horizon...why would you raise taxes on the middle class?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 21, 2012, 04:12:34 PM
Here's what I think are important things to remember for this negotiation:


* Right now we're talking about a lame duck session that has basically one month to pass anything  Historically that's not nearly the amount of time they need. The 1986 tax reform bill took almost a year, and Clinton's first budget with all the deficit reduction took six months, despite being a single-party affair. The only reason they're even trying to get anything done is because of all the stuff that's scheduled to expire; no way does a grand bargain get done before Xmas.

* The fiscal cliff doesn't immediately halve the deficit/wreck the economy when it goes into effect. It's like any economic policy change: the effects are cumulative, and living with it for a couple months will probably not kill us (besides which the effects can be rolled back in the subsequent deal).

* Unless you believe deficit reduction is an important moral goal for its own sake, then the whole point of closing the gap is the benefits to the country in economic growth and stability. Because we're still in an economy with a lot of slack and at the zero lower bound for monetary policy, sharply reducing the deficit this year would probably be counterproductive for those goals.

* There will be lots of numbers thrown around.  If something is said to increase or decrease the deficit/revenues/spending, then check both the time horizon and the baseline against which it's being measured. This is important! There are going to be apples-to-oranges comparisons flying all over the damn place.

* There is no "permanent" policy on taxes, spending or anything else. There are policies which are designed in a way that make them more or less likely to stay in place going forward, but that's it. Future governments will pass their own bills and make their own changes depending on the political and economic situations they find themselves in. There will be other chances to get what you couldn't this time, and opportunities for your opponents to roll back what you were able to get.  Grover Norquist's biggest victory came when the federal government was running a surplus; rebalancing the budget will make him irrelevant.



SHORTER: Short-term deficits don't really need to be reduced, and long-term deficits are almost impossible to affect via the budget process. In terms of balancing the budget, the middle term is where the action is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 21, 2012, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2012, 03:50:58 PM
If you believe GDP growth will remain tepid and the another recession is on the horizon...why would you raise taxes on the middle class?

DEBT DEFICIT 16 TRILLION
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 12:34:42 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2012, 03:50:58 PM
If you believe GDP growth will remain tepid and the another recession is on the horizon...why would you raise taxes on the middle class?

Every dollar of an upper class family's income passes through the middle class tax brackets. So, by 'protecting' the person/family that is barely in the middle class bracket (and would only see a small portion of their income hit by higher taxes), you are missing out on trillions of dollars in revenues (over a 10 year period) from other family units that can afford it.

There are more (and larger) tax breaks for the middle class than ever before. IRA tax break (up to 5000), Saver's Tax Credit, EITC, Child Tax Credit, American Opportunity Credit (college tuition write-off), Lifetime Learning Credit, Student Loan Interest credit, Child care tax credits. Plus all the other tax breaks that small businesses get that are not afforded others.

Granted, if you are a high school educated, twenty-something, single and making a middle class salary .. you will not see most of these breaks. But they are out there and people are using them.


Quote from: Mandark
Unless you believe deficit reduction is an important moral goal for its own sake, then the whole point of closing the gap is the benefits to the country in economic growth and stability. Because we're still in an economy with a lot of slack and at the zero lower bound for monetary policy, sharply reducing the deficit this year would probably be counterproductive for those goals.

Maybe you are right, but we seem to be heading in unchartered waters here (long-term). SO, while it would be foolish to expect (or even want) a balanced budget, it's not foolish to want more done than is currently proposed. This country just went through 4+ years of trillion dollar deficits .. more than 20-30 percent in revenues/cuts is not a big ask.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 01:35:43 AM
Over 30% deficit reduction is >$300 billion in cuts/tax hikes in one year, which would almost hurt an already slow recovery, if not give us another recession.  I just don't see much benefit in immediate austerity, especially compared to the downside.

In terms of debt burden, we're not in a completely new situation.  The US in WW2 and Japan recently have had higher debt/GDP ratios IIRC and survived without soaring inflation and interest rates (just as both are still low in the US now, despite certain predictions to the contrary).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 01:52:07 AM
(http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/usgs_chart4p02.png)


You're talking about a very small window of time there. Not to mention that coming out of WWII, the US was in an unprecedented economic position to capitalize on being the only western super power. We don't have that luxury in the near future.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 01:59:02 AM
Well, GDP actually fell after the US demobilized, and didn't get back to WW2 levels until five years later.

But more to the point, what is the immediate danger posed by the deficit? What, specifically, are we trying to head off by pursuing austerity?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 02:18:57 AM
You only need to look at the last 4 years on how deficit fearmongering has neutered or dramatically changed the scope and shape of legislation. From ARRA, to the failed energy bill, to Obamacare to the rise of the Tea Party. That dynamic doesn't go away if you meekly chip away at deficit control. If another crisis occurs, government will still have it's hands ties (politically speaking) to do the best for it's people.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 02:23:17 AM
So no direct economic effects, but you think it would in some way change the political dynamic to make other things possible?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 02:26:08 AM
This does seem like a nice excuse to segue into talking about a recent Van Cruncheon FB post...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2012, 02:38:33 AM
Don't worry, all the deficit fear-mongering will go away once a Republican is back in the White House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 02:46:46 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2012, 02:38:33 AM
Don't worry, all the deficit fear-mongering will go away once a Republican is back in the White House.

History says otherwise ...

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Walter F. Mondale has quietly decided on a strategic shift that blunts the issue of the Federal budget deficit and focuses on broader social and foreign policy themes.

The key aim of the shift, his advisers say, is to bolster Mr. Mondale’s prospects among traditional Democrats and trade unionists leaning toward President Reagan, as well as among independent voters and young professionals who found the deficit issue difficult to grasp in a time of relative economic prosperity.

…

Another adviser said the lack of positive movement in the polls for Mr. Mondale in August and September, as he repeatedly discussed the deficit, had privately convinced some of his key aides that using the Federal debt as a major campaign issue was a political gamble that was not paying off.

…

A political adviser put it more bluntly. ”The deficit is not the premier issue it was,” he said.

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Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry promised Wednesday he would cut the federal budget deficit before it becomes a "fiscal cancer" that undermines the U.S. economy.

Kerry said he would raise taxes on the richest Americans, restrain spending, crack down on tax loopholes for companies that move jobs overseas and eliminate corporate welfare to cut the deficit -- now expected to run about $480 billion this year -- in half in four years.

Kerry said a growing federal debt will result in higher interest rates that will "dry up investment" and scare off overseas investors. President Bush's tax cuts, coupled with increased government spending, will result in a $6 trillion gap between spending and revenue over 10 years, he added.

"He made a clear choice: To pass the bucks to the privileged while passing the buck to our children," said Kerry, the Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee. "Because of this president's decisions, a child born today will inherit at $20,000 debt -- a 'birth tax' that he or she had no part in creating."

Not to mention the 1992 election which was almost completely about deficits/debts and 'the future' of America. It was the sole issue that launched Perot into fame.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 02:48:57 AM
Yeah, I don't think that's a great reason to aggressively pursue austerity, because

1) I'm verrrrrrrrrry skeptical that budget-balancing is the key to GOP cooperation with a sitting Democratic president, and

2) cutting the short-term deficit to win support for your policies is impossible if those policies (like ARRA or any other countercyclical fiscal stimulus) inherently involve increasing the short term deficit.  No way around that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 02:58:41 AM
Rolling back a few more brackets to 1999 levels is not 'aggressively pursuing' austerity. It's correcting bad policy. Policies which the Democrats bemoaned as ruinous up until 2010.

If liberals (Krugman) are going to herp and derp that the economy was fantastic in the 50's despite the 90 percent tax brackets on the upper class, they can't sit there and claim financial disaster because we are returning some brackets back to one of the most prosperous times in our country.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2012, 03:18:50 AM
That's a rather simplistic view. There were a couple minor recessions in the 1950s but overall the economy was still booming. We're coming off a rather large recession and the economy is still recovering - while I ultimately want all the Bush tax cuts to expire, I don't think many economists would argue that letting the lower income cuts expire right now would be a good thing. In short you cannot really compare now to the 1950s in that regard. Consumer confidence and spending have slowly been recovering, and actually increased shortly after the first payroll tax cut, I don't see how raising taxes would help.

Once we recover sure, raise taxes. The CBO just released a report that showed letting the middle income tax cuts expire would have quite a negative impact on the economy, whereas letting the higher income cuts expire would have a much smaller impact.
Title: Different medicines for different ailments
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 03:27:45 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 02:58:41 AM
Rolling back a few more brackets to 1999 levels is not 'aggressively pursuing' austerity. It's correcting bad policy. Policies which the Democrats bemoaned as ruinous up until 2010.

If liberals (Krugman) are going to herp and derp that the economy was fantastic in the 50's despite the 90 percent tax brackets on the upper class, they can't sit there and claim financial disaster because we are returning some brackets back to one of the most prosperous times in our country.

Except Krugman (like any of us who subscribe to profligate, anti-American, Keynesian dogma) believes that the effects of fiscal policy are different when the economy still has a lot of slack* and monetary policy is up against the zero lower bound.  That's the core of the argument he's been making the last four years, something he literally wrote the book on (http://www.amazon.com/Return-Depression-Economics-Paul-Krugman/dp/0393320367)**.

Basically, yer typical liberal (myself included) believes that high top marginal rates can be compatible with good long-term growth.  We also believe that countercyclical deficit spending can boost GDP in the case of a severe downturn when monetary policy has lost its grip on the economy.  So we're okay with raising taxes in the long term (most of us are fine with rolling back all the Bush cuts and maybe going higher), but that doing so when there's still a lot of excess unemployment would push us towards a recession, and that the threat of job losses from that is significantly more immediate, tangible, and likely than the problems associated with high deficits in the next few years.


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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 22, 2012, 03:29:05 AM
Not sure if Krugman = “liberals”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 03:30:44 AM
Well, I put in "typical" and considered even more caveats, but I was all "hey, let me keep this at least somewhat readable; we're all friends on this forum and I don't have to worry about people nitpicking me!"

:maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 03:39:58 AM
But seriously, why am I explaining the basics of Keynesian fiscal stimulus in 2012?

Anyone who follows politics as a hobby should be familiar with the arguments, even if they disagree with it.  Don't nobody listen to nobody; that's what's wrong with this country.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 22, 2012, 04:58:18 AM
Yeah, my post was in reply to the post above yours, you just posted while I was still refining it down from the original multi-paragraph version
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2012, 05:17:56 AM
Frankly, if we're going to be raising revenue, I'd like to get it from the place that has all the money, which is not middle class or poor people.  I can't really fathom the "let's everybody suffer!" dick-punch austerity mindset.  If this was still ye olde America-ville of 40-50 years ago where all the income brackets were growing at roughly the same rate, then sure you'd have a legit argument that taxing er'body was a good idea.  It's not, though.  Let's get the money from the people who have it, and if they bitch and whine about it let's show them documentaries on the French Revolution; if that doesn't do the trick, personally I'm not above publicly executing them and taking their shit, but then again I am a petty man.  Happy Thanksgiving everybody!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 22, 2012, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 02:18:57 AM
You only need to look at the last 4 years on how deficit fearmongering has neutered or dramatically changed the scope and shape of legislation. From ARRA, to the failed energy bill, to Obamacare to the rise of the Tea Party. That dynamic doesn't go away if you meekly chip away at deficit control. If another crisis occurs, government will still have it's hands ties (politically speaking) to do the best for it's people.

So we need to dramatically change policy right now to avoid less dramatic changes in policy in the future? OK

Call me when Treasury yields are > 0
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 22, 2012, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 02:26:08 AM
This does seem like a nice excuse to segue into talking about a recent Van Cruncheon FB post...

why, which post was this? <whistles>
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2012, 06:18:30 PM
I need to know whether Drinky is that aggressive during Thanksgiving dinner
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2012, 06:23:33 PM
The one about whether Tea Party-style deficit panic is a cover for the dying throes of a white Protestant monoculture, or an expression of self-sacrifice in the interest of future generations (misdirected by the metaphor of a household budget).

Which I totally want to post about, but not until I've got the free time and can afford to go full Loki (or take even longer to edit it down to something readable).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2012, 06:27:30 PM
It's the new states rights
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 22, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2012, 06:18:30 PM
I need to know whether Drinky is that aggressive during Thanksgiving dinner

i never stop trolling
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 11:48:57 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on November 22, 2012, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2012, 02:18:57 AM
You only need to look at the last 4 years on how deficit fearmongering has neutered or dramatically changed the scope and shape of legislation. From ARRA, to the failed energy bill, to Obamacare to the rise of the Tea Party. That dynamic doesn't go away if you meekly chip away at deficit control. If another crisis occurs, government will still have it's hands ties (politically speaking) to do the best for it's people.

So we need to dramatically change policy right now to avoid less dramatic changes in policy in the future? OK

Call me when Treasury yields are > 0

Letting some income tax brackets return back closer to their historical norms is not dramatic change. The Bush Tax Cuts were the dramatic change in policy and shit revenues and escalating deficits are the results.

http://www.datapointed.net/visualizations/money/historical-us-income-tax-brackets/

You can even roll in the changes over a number of years if you are so worried about the 'crushing devestation' that will occur when families making 100-150k/yr have to pay a few more thousand dollars a year in taxes. Oh woe is them.

 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2012, 12:15:46 AM
The main downside isn't the individual suffering of securely middle-class families, it's the macro effect on aggregate demand in the context of an economy that's producing and employing below capacity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2012, 12:19:20 AM
How will China adjust when some of our citizens are buying one less electronic gizmo that year? We might need to send stimulus to Indonesia to off-set the loss in sweater/tennis shoe sales.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2012, 12:44:40 AM
wut


edit: that "wut" is completely sincere. I'm not sure what TA's getting at, or if he's getting at anything at all.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2012, 02:40:18 AM
My point was that in today's global economy and huge trade deficits, the effect of the consumer's dollar on local economies ain't what it used to be.

If you are so concerned about aggregate demand, why wouldn't you favor a centralized government to have more revenues to act accordingly?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2012, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2012, 02:40:18 AM
My point was that in today's global economy and huge trade deficits, the effect of the consumer's dollar on local economies ain't what it used to be.
Imports are ~15% of US GDP, lower than the rate of many industrialized countries pre-globalization. Changes in domestic demand primarily affect domestic business and there aren't really any empirical or theoretical evidence to think that's changed in the last few decades.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2012, 02:40:18 AM
If you are so concerned about aggregate demand, why wouldn't you favor a centralized government to have more revenues to act accordingly?

Because 1) that's not how aggregate demand works, and 2) the government doesn't need to have money to spend it.

Government's contribution to demand is spending minus revenues, because taxes decrease private consumption.  In other words, economic stimulus is deficit spending by definition, whether that deficit is created by tax cuts, higher spending, or both.

To the degree that the government should have sufficient revenues to pursue stimulus, I (and most liberals) believe that we should move towards a balanced budget in times of full employment.  Both because persistent deficits can have bad side effects during normal times, and because keeping the debt/GDP ratio down means there will be more leeway for aggressive fiscal policy during recessions.  But it's important to note that even though the last administration pissed away the surplus, it hasn't caused the problems that would make us need to shift towards austerity: inflation is so low and the demand for bonds is so high that, as AdmiralViscen pointed out, the federal government can borrow money at a profit.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 23, 2012, 06:32:48 PM
Biggest sign yet that Grover Norquist is no longer relevant- a Senator from a blood red state that has to run for re-election in 2014 says maybe we should raise taxes.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-senator-i-care-more-about-my-country?ref=fpb
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 23, 2012, 06:37:05 PM
Nah, they'll just have some teatard run against him in the primary and beat him like all of the other Senators and Representatives who occasionally talked out of line.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2012, 07:04:33 PM
Chambliss was one of the Gang of Six, which IIRC proposed a plan that involved some tax hikes, so this isn't huge news.

I think this (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/us/politics/congress-looks-at-ways-to-leave-top-tax-rate-as-is.html) is more telling: Republicans realize they'll have to swallow some higher taxes in any deal, but feel bound by the pledge, so they're looking at ways to raise taxes without raising the marginal rates, so that they can technically be in compliance.  Even for politics, this seems more kabuki than usual.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2012, 11:05:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/SC3Xm.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 24, 2012, 11:31:36 AM
His hair has really let itself go
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 24, 2012, 12:09:59 PM
all we have left is each other and our 250 million dollars
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2012, 12:19:47 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2012, 02:40:18 AM
My point was that in today's global economy and huge trade deficits, the effect of the consumer's dollar on local economies ain't what it used to be.

If you are so concerned about aggregate demand, why wouldn't you favor a centralized government to have more revenues to act accordingly?

Aggregate demand doesn't require government revenue.

The US government doesn't require revenue to spend money, either. While I do not support persistent deficits, ultimately economic stimulus (be it through spending or tax cuts) is the best way to generate growth. And as Mandark said, economic stimulus is ultimately deficit spending.

Giving rich people a tax cut doesn't simply spur economic growth if the economy is stagnant; you have to spark spending amongst the middle class in order to spark small businesses. As I said, whether that means spending (stimulus package, infrastructure, etc) or lowering taxes (payroll tax cut, business equipment tax cut, etc) I'll support it as long as it's going to the right places - and the right people's pockets.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 25, 2012, 11:40:09 PM
And now, for a moment of pointless symbolism and schadenfreude.

Dave Wasserman has been keeping track of updated vote totals as results from provisional ballots and late-reporting districts (like in NY and NJ) come in.  The outstanding votes have been generally favorable to Obama, and as of today Romney's total, rounded to the nearest percentage point, is 47% (https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/272911284675158016).

Heh indeed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 26, 2012, 10:47:02 AM
He was just off 6 points.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 26, 2012, 10:50:17 AM
http://nymag.com/news/features/war-on-drugs-2012-12/#print

Quote
Drug policing in Baltimore, then, had itself reached a kind of perverse mechanized perfection. The department was following the theories then in vogue, perfected in New York, that emphasized zero tolerance of even minor crimes and strict enforcement of low-level drug possession and dealing. In Central Booking, new arrestees were fitted with a bar code so they could be speedily scanned, processed, and then warehoused. “Like self-checkout at Safeway,” says Frederick Bealefeld, who retired this summer after five years as police commissioner. In the city’s most dystopian year, 2005, Baltimore arrested 108,000 people, out of a total population of 660,000 men, women, and children. The drug war had become an open trawl through the city’s poorest neighborhoods.

So the Wire was actually painting a rosier picture than the reality

comforting!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on November 26, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
wow.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 26, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
conservative magazine defending latino's knowledge of hip hop

we live in weird times my friends

http://politicker.com/2012/11/how-gq-misrepresented-marco-rubios-rap-iq/

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This month’s issue of GQ features an interview with Florida Senator Marco Rubio in which he talks about his favorite rap songs. When the interview went live online last week, many people took note of Mr. Rubio’s rap knowledge, but Politicker couldn’t help but notice he appeared to mistakenly describe hip hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa as a member of the rap group Public Enemy. However, after reading the print version of the issue it is clear that the discrepancy was caused by an edit made by the magazine and not any rap errors made by Mr. Rubio. 

In the online version of the interview, writer Michael Hainey is quoted as simply asking Mr. Rubio, “Your autobiography also has to be the first time a politician has cited a love of Afrika Bambaataa. Did you have a favorite Afrika Bambaataa song?” Mr. Rubio is quoted as answering by discussing Public Enemy, a group that did not include Mr. Bambaataa.

“All the normal ones. People forget how dominant Public Enemy became in the mid 80s. No one talks about how transformative they were,” Mr. Rubio said.

When the article appeared online last week, we reached out to Mr. Rubio’s spokesman Alex Conant who said the apparent mistake was caused by the magazine’s editing.

“Yeah, the transcript in print edition edits the conversation for space. In the Q portion in the full interview, there was actually a decent back and forth about rap before he asked the second question about a favorite album,” said Mr. Conant.

Indeed, in the print version of the interview that is now available on newsstands, Mr. Hainey’s full question includes the note that Mr. Bambaataa was sampled in Public Enemy’s song “Fight The Power,” which led to Mr. Rubio’s response.

Mr. Rubio mentioned Mr. Bambaataa in his memoir when he described how he became enamored with “a new kind of music, rap” in his youth.

“My white friends liked hard rock acts–Van Halen, Osbourne and others,” Mr. Rubio wrote. “I didn’t care for that kind of music anymore, and they didn’t care for my preferences, Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 26, 2012, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: Eric P on November 26, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
conservative magazine defending latino's knowledge of hip hop

we live in weird times my friends

http://politicker.com/2012/11/how-gq-misrepresented-marco-rubios-rap-iq/

Quote
This month’s issue of GQ features an interview with Florida Senator Marco Rubio in which he talks about his favorite rap songs. When the interview went live online last week, many people took note of Mr. Rubio’s rap knowledge, but Politicker couldn’t help but notice he appeared to mistakenly describe hip hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa as a member of the rap group Public Enemy. However, after reading the print version of the issue it is clear that the discrepancy was caused by an edit made by the magazine and not any rap errors made by Mr. Rubio. 

In the online version of the interview, writer Michael Hainey is quoted as simply asking Mr. Rubio, “Your autobiography also has to be the first time a politician has cited a love of Afrika Bambaataa. Did you have a favorite Afrika Bambaataa song?” Mr. Rubio is quoted as answering by discussing Public Enemy, a group that did not include Mr. Bambaataa.

“All the normal ones. People forget how dominant Public Enemy became in the mid 80s. No one talks about how transformative they were,” Mr. Rubio said.

When the article appeared online last week, we reached out to Mr. Rubio’s spokesman Alex Conant who said the apparent mistake was caused by the magazine’s editing.

“Yeah, the transcript in print edition edits the conversation for space. In the Q portion in the full interview, there was actually a decent back and forth about rap before he asked the second question about a favorite album,” said Mr. Conant.

Indeed, in the print version of the interview that is now available on newsstands, Mr. Hainey’s full question includes the note that Mr. Bambaataa was sampled in Public Enemy’s song “Fight The Power,” which led to Mr. Rubio’s response.

Mr. Rubio mentioned Mr. Bambaataa in his memoir when he described how he became enamored with “a new kind of music, rap” in his youth.

“My white friends liked hard rock acts–Van Halen, Osbourne and others,” Mr. Rubio wrote. “I didn’t care for that kind of music anymore, and they didn’t care for my preferences, Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash.”

Latino politician claims to have plenty of "white friends" to deflect claims of racism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2012, 02:52:11 PM
Having seen the full interview I must rescind my previous comments on Mr. Rubio. He deserves some dap and a friend to send him some decent new hip hop. I also call for a reprimand of Mandark for misleading me with incomplete information.

I might just send Killer Mike's album to his office
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2012, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 26, 2012, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: Eric P on November 26, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
conservative magazine defending latino's knowledge of hip hop

we live in weird times my friends

http://politicker.com/2012/11/how-gq-misrepresented-marco-rubios-rap-iq/

Quote
This month’s issue of GQ features an interview with Florida Senator Marco Rubio in which he talks about his favorite rap songs. When the interview went live online last week, many people took note of Mr. Rubio’s rap knowledge, but Politicker couldn’t help but notice he appeared to mistakenly describe hip hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa as a member of the rap group Public Enemy. However, after reading the print version of the issue it is clear that the discrepancy was caused by an edit made by the magazine and not any rap errors made by Mr. Rubio. 

In the online version of the interview, writer Michael Hainey is quoted as simply asking Mr. Rubio, “Your autobiography also has to be the first time a politician has cited a love of Afrika Bambaataa. Did you have a favorite Afrika Bambaataa song?” Mr. Rubio is quoted as answering by discussing Public Enemy, a group that did not include Mr. Bambaataa.

“All the normal ones. People forget how dominant Public Enemy became in the mid 80s. No one talks about how transformative they were,” Mr. Rubio said.

When the article appeared online last week, we reached out to Mr. Rubio’s spokesman Alex Conant who said the apparent mistake was caused by the magazine’s editing.

“Yeah, the transcript in print edition edits the conversation for space. In the Q portion in the full interview, there was actually a decent back and forth about rap before he asked the second question about a favorite album,” said Mr. Conant.

Indeed, in the print version of the interview that is now available on newsstands, Mr. Hainey’s full question includes the note that Mr. Bambaataa was sampled in Public Enemy’s song “Fight The Power,” which led to Mr. Rubio’s response.

Mr. Rubio mentioned Mr. Bambaataa in his memoir when he described how he became enamored with “a new kind of music, rap” in his youth.

“My white friends liked hard rock acts–Van Halen, Osbourne and others,” Mr. Rubio wrote. “I didn’t care for that kind of music anymore, and they didn’t care for my preferences, Afrika Bambaataa and Grandmaster Flash.”

Latino politician claims to have plenty of "white friends" to deflect claims of racism.

"Why, some of my best friends are racists!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 26, 2012, 09:46:48 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 26, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 27, 2012, 10:30:59 AM
Obama's America.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 27, 2012, 02:10:22 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 27, 2012, 02:18:27 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 27, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
Makes me wonder who I should be most embarrassed for hailing from our little island - Hannity, LiLo, Amy Fisher/Joey Buttafuco, or O'Reilly?

So what's this about the Repubs wanting to remove the mortgage income tax deduction in their "fiscal cliff" plan? Really hope it doesn't come to light, because it's basically :piss on middle class homeowners.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2012, 04:43:29 PM
I don't think they want to remove it, but cap it.  Which is fine at a certain rate.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 27, 2012, 05:04:08 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/filthy-mitt-romney-delivers-campaign-speech-to-aud,30522/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 27, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
The mortgage deduction needs to be done away with, but very slowly.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 28, 2012, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on November 27, 2012, 05:21:35 PM
The mortgage deduction needs to be done away with, but very slowly.

I am very fond of my mortgage deduction. If they cap it, I'd probably be ok with that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 28, 2012, 03:14:32 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 27, 2012, 04:43:29 PM
I don't think they want to remove it, but cap it.  Which is fine at a certain rate.

It really depends on whether or not the rate takes advantage of costs of living. I'm in an area where even a household income of $250,000/year would still fall under "upper middle class", and an average house is $450k+ (taxes $10k+).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 29, 2012, 01:03:08 AM
http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/11/grover-norquist-thinks-congressional.html

sounds good
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2012, 01:05:41 AM
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MIKE ALLEN: This president is not going to extend [Bush tax cuts], he knows that he loses his leverage that way.


NORQUIST: Well, the Republicans also have other leverage. Continuing resolutions on spending and the debt ceiling increase. They can give him debt ceiling increases once a month. They can have him on a rather short leash, you know, here’s your allowance, come back next month.
ALLEN: Okay, wait. You’re proposing that the debt ceiling be increased month by month?

NORQUIST: Monthly if he’s good. Weekly if he’s not.
http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/11/grover-norquist-thinks-congressional.html
....yup
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2012, 01:32:00 AM
Grover Norquist needs to be shot into the sun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 29, 2012, 01:35:20 AM
 :lol he's joking right? Having the debt ceiling be up for debate every month would totally not nuke the US's credit rating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2012, 01:36:41 AM
Crashing the economy and America's credit rating would be a small price to pay so long as they could pin it all on the Democrats, or at least use it as leverage in making sure the top 1% get more tax cuts.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 29, 2012, 02:21:20 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2012, 01:36:41 AM
Crashing the economy and America's credit rating would be a small price to pay so long as they could pin it all on the Democrats, or at least use it as leverage in making sure the top 1% get more tax cuts.

We saw how that turned out last general election! The republicans won soundly after the Democrats were rightly blamed for their incompetence! Sitting and talking with a debt ceiling looming? You silly D's!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 29, 2012, 07:01:00 PM
Ma boy, Steve Benen made an interesting point today:

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Democrats generally don't like to talk about this out loud, but if they got exactly what they're demanding -- if, in other words, the House today passed the Senate bill preserving tax breaks on income up to $250,000 -- they'd suddenly find themselves in an unexpected and slightly awkward position.

Yes, they'd get nearly $1 trillion in new revenue over the next decade, without seeking a penny from the middle class, but Democrats (a) would still be short of Obama's goal of $1.6 trillion in new revenue and with no avenues to get there; (b) would still have the sequester to fight over; (c) would have none of the stimulative measures in place they'd like to get from the fiscal talks; (d) would still have a debt-ceiling crisis on the horizon; and (e) would have lost their leverage, having already won the tax fight.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/28/15513161-house-republican-obama-tax-deal-is-the-right-thing-to-do?lite (http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/11/28/15513161-house-republican-obama-tax-deal-is-the-right-thing-to-do?lite)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2012, 10:08:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1JSkO.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 29, 2012, 11:46:43 PM
It's very hard to turnaround an economy that's 118th in the World. Maybe Iceland can work on overtaking the Republic of Congo or Botswana soon.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2012, 11:56:26 PM
Don't worry, we'll just legalize weed at the federal level. That should free up enough space for all the extra bankers we have over here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
It's not so much that Iceland has a smaller economy (after all, it has proportionally fewer resources with which to respond to a crisis) so much as it was a different situation.  IIRC Icelandic banks were taking on a lot of foreign depositors, so letting those banks fall basically meant sticking it to British and Dutch creditors.

Which isn't to say that some of what they did isn't applicable.  Just that economic policy isn't always a straightforward morality tale.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2012, 12:59:22 AM
Quote from: Mandark on November 30, 2012, 12:25:00 AM
Just that economic policy isn't always a straightforward morality tale.

BUT I WANT IT TO BE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 11:28:52 AM
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The New Republic obtained the final internal polling numbers from Mitt Romney's presidential campaign for six key states, along with additional breakdowns of the data, which were prepared by the campaign's chief pollster, Neil Newhouse.

"The first thing you notice is that New Hampshire and Colorado are pretty far off the mark. In New Hampshire, the final internal polling average has Romney up 3.5 points, whereas he lost by 5.6. In Colorado, the final internal polling average has Romney up 2.5 points; he lost by 5.4... The Iowa number is also questionable, showing the race tied even though Romney ended up losing by almost 6 points."

"Together, New Hampshire, Colorado, and Iowa go most of the way toward explaining why the Romney campaign believed it was so well-positioned. When combined with North Carolina, Florida, and Virginia--the trio of states the Romney campaign assumed were largely in the bag--Romney would bank 267 electoral votes, only three shy of the magic number."


Not that it would have mattered. I doubt there was some other strategy that Romney could have employed that late in the game if he knew he had an accurate account of his swing-state polling.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2012, 12:10:26 PM
What exactly is the end game for the Benghazi "scandal?" We've gone so far away from the handful of legitimate issues/questions and so deep down this rabbit hole of what was said and how it was said, that I just don't see how it's possible for the Republicans to ultimately gain anything at all. I guess they hope that if it gets talked about enough people will eventually start to believe that it's a thing? Maybe, I guess. But their current laser-like focus on a single thing [the Islam video] and narrowing the whole "scandal" to one person [Susan Rice] has made it laughably easy for anyone to shoot it down with even the most simple and basic of logic and facts. More than anything else, aren't people just getting tired of hearing about it?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2012, 12:10:26 PM
What exactly is the end game for the Benghazi "scandal?" We've gone so far away from the handful of legitimate issues/questions and so deep down this rabbit hole of what was said and how it was said, that I just don't see how it's possible for the Republicans to ultimately gain anything at all. I guess they hope that if it gets talked about enough people will eventually start to believe that it's a thing? Maybe, I guess. But their current laser-like focus on a single thing [the Islam video] and narrowing the whole "scandal" to one person [Susan Rice] has made it laughably easy for anyone to shoot it down with even the most simple and basic of logic and facts. More than anything else, aren't people just getting tired of hearing about it?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/jon-stewart-susan-rice-benghazi.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2012, 12:36:00 PM
By the way, I remembered something that I'd heard a couple of days ago. Some people think that the Republican are trying to keep Susan Rice out of the Secretary of State role so that Obama will choose John Kerry instead, thus opening up Kerry's Senate seat for Scott Brown. This is almost certainly what's going on.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 30, 2012, 12:36:25 PM
I saw that Stewart segment the other night. Highly suggested.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
I think people trying to figure out specific reasons for Republican obstructionist FUD are overthinking things.  This will continue to be their general strategy re: anything Obama suggests or wants, because SEKRIT MUSLIN KENYAN SOSHILUST, THAT'S WHY!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2012, 02:04:18 PM
I'll just leave this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project

Edit: Got caught up reading about all the Independent Council stuff. Good Lord, what an absolute waste of time and money. 8 years of digging and court cases and investigations, all to turn up what amounted to NOTHING.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 30, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
It's important to view conservative's actions through their own (twisted, imo) worldview.  So, you need to keep some things in mind:

1) Republican political rule is the natural way of things and represents REAL AMERICA.

2) If Republicans lose, it's because
a) the election was stolen (something something ACORN/Black Panthers option)
b) the electorate was tricked (given "free stuff" or whatever)
c) any combination thereof

That's basically it.  There was like three days of "Wow we've lost America" navelgazing among the conservative movement set before they dove headfirst into Step 2, and the political sabotage (wolverines!) it entails.  Since Democrats don't represent REAL AMERICA and can't ever win legitimately, any sort of compromise with them is basically like murdering fetuses for satan in front of baby jesus' manger or whatever.  Boehner is a cynical creature that doesn't personally believe this shit, but every time he tries to be reasonable (saying Obamacare was off the table and the law of the land) the tiger reminds him he's the one riding it and not directing it, and he has to walk it back and go full wingnut again or be eaten alive by Cantor (a genuine idiot and true believer) and the Teahadist wing of the party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
I can't even stomach any of these fiscal cliff stories. It's just like the NFL contract negotiations, you know they are going to reach a deal, but they have to put on this distinguished mentally-challenged show until they reach the final hour. So they can feel like they are doing 'important work' and suck up as much prime time television as possible in the process.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2012, 03:53:55 PM
It's just a dog and pony show for the news outlets to help sell commercials. Nothing more.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 03:57:15 PM
Maybe that's what bothers me more. That the media outlets treat this like a serious thing that could happen. Instead of telling it with the same kind of sneering derision they give to a Lindsay Lohan story.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
Huh. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we got to January 1st without a deal in place.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 30, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
And it's not even a cliff anyway. It's like letting off the brakes when you're a thousand feet from the cliff. You can still reapply the brakes later and not go over the cliff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 30, 2012, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: Mandark on November 30, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
Huh. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we got to January 1st without a deal in place.
Yup.  The stakes aren't as high in the short term as people would like to think.  Although I suspect the markets will react badly and suddenly lawmakers will scramble since the DOW seems to be the only economic barometer anyone cares about (even though it sucks for this).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 30, 2012, 04:33:52 PM
Yep. You almost definitely get a recession if all the provisions become law and stay that way, but if they hash out a deal in January or February then it's not ZOMG Armageddon.

Plus the administration's been acting like it feels no huge pressure to make concessions for the sake of getting a deal done this year (you see their initial offer? yikes), which jibes with what Jon Chait's been saying for a few months.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 04:35:50 PM
I guess we will see, but this seems like more of the same bullshit I have seen every December. There is some 'big issue' they squabble over and then reach a deal at the end of the month.


Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 30, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
I can't even stomach any of these fiscal cliff stories. It's just like the NFL contract negotiations, you know they are going to reach a deal, but they have to put on this distinguished mentally-challenged show until they reach the final hour. So they can feel like they are doing 'important work' and suck up as much prime time television as possible in the process.

Are we talking about the debt celing or the expiration of tax cuts + sequester. The latter is bad, but the former is should be fucking criminal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 30, 2012, 06:06:14 PM
Tax cuts and the sequester.  Agreed on the debt ceiling.  Some of my libertarian friends are once again cheering for a default.  :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
People hoping their side tanks the economy just so they can say 'I told you so'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2012, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on November 30, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
People hoping their side tanks the economy just so they can say 'I told you so'.

Some of those nutters have had their doomsday bunkers ready for decades; gotta be disappointing when the world stubbornly refuses to end.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
you mean like the Paulites who are just waiting for the US economy to permanently crash, thus ensuring their golden bars make them masters of the universe?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 01, 2012, 11:21:40 PM
So it looks like talks are being complicated because the GOP can't/won't make demands about entitlement cuts.

Basically, the GOP mostly wants entitlement cuts, but they know that's unpopular and protecting Medicare became a big part of Republican/Tea Party rhetoric the last few years..  So now the plan is to get the administration to propose both the higher taxes and the lower spending for them.

It's almost like years of FUD and stumping for mathematically incompatible goals isn't a great formula for actually making policy!  Who could have known?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2012, 11:44:45 PM
You mean the party invested in dismantling government has no interest in governing? Shock!

Mitch McConnell did mention some more specific demands than Boehner, but it's still nothing comprehensive
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In an interview in his Capitol Hill office, Mr. McConnell said if the White House agrees to changes such as higher Medicare premiums for the wealthy, an increase in the Medicare eligibility age and a slowing of cost-of-living increases for programs like Social Security, Republicans would agree to include more tax revenue in the deal, though not from higher tax rates. [...]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitch-mcconnell-makes-an-offer/2012/11/30/e5274030-3b31-11e2-9258-ac7c78d5c680_blog.html

We disagreed on it earlier but I'd still take means testing in a deal; I'd just want to see the GOP's specific plan on how to do it first. I don't think raising the retirement age will be considered seriously by anyone, outside of the Paul Ryan types who don't give a shit.


btw Ralph Nader with what seems like a good idea to me, although I dunno whether it's politically viable
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ralph-nader-why-a-tax-on-stock-trades-should-be-part-of-a-fiscal-cliff-deal/2012/11/30/d6a1285e-3a38-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 02, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
The common thread with all the various Republican policy suggestions being floated is they're all designed to reduce spending or raise revenue without explicitly making budget cuts or raising tax rates.

Capping deductions, taxing all the income of high earners at the top rate, means-testing programs, raising the eligibility age, "reformulating" COLA increases in SS, etc.  Every one of those means somebody will pay more taxes or have their benefits cut, but the policies are all designed in a way that dances around that fact.

Whatever happened to all that "hard truths" crap?  Oops, so much time spent acting like we could balance the budget while keeping taxes low, continuing to spend on the military, and protect Medicare from any cost-saving measures!  Now they have to do the math and can't pretend that cutting earmarks and foreign aid will bridge the gap.  Jesus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 02, 2012, 12:22:37 AM
Wait, WTF does reducing spending or raising revenue have to do with the fiscal cliff anyway? I thought it was just that the Bush tax cuts were about to expire in an environment where it's procyclical. Goddammit, now I'll have to go read up on what the fiscal cliff actually is.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2012, 12:27:42 AM
The "fiscal cliff" is a self-imposed Nuclear bomb, created by Congress that automatically slashes spending across the board and ends all the Bush-era tax cuts. It's designed to force Congress to agree to cutting the budget.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 02, 2012, 12:29:58 AM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 02, 2012, 12:22:37 AM
Wait, WTF does reducing spending or raising revenue have to do with the fiscal cliff anyway? I thought it was just that the Bush tax cuts were about to expire in an environment where it's procyclical. Goddammit, now I'll have to go read up on what the fiscal cliff actually is.

No, that's pretty much it. Plus there's a bunch of other procyclical stuff about to kick in too (AMT, Medicare doctor reimbursement, jobless benefits, automatic discretionary budget cuts, etc) if Congress doesn't pass something to override it.

It's just that the political climate demands that there be some degree of deficit-busting in any agreement, so basically there's negotiation over austerity measures in order to head off the disaster of austerity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2012, 01:18:32 AM
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SAN DIEGO — The man who planned to be president wakes up each morning now without a plan.

Mitt Romney looks out the windows of his beach house here in La Jolla, a moneyed and pristine enclave of San Diego, at noisy construction workers fixing up his next-door neighbor’s home, sending out regular updates on the renovation. He devours news from 2,600 miles away in Washington about the “fiscal cliff” negotiations, shaking his head and wondering what if.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-detached-romney-tends-wounds-in-seclusion-after-failed-white-house-bid/2012/12/01/4305079a-38a9-11e2-8a97-363b0f9a0ab3_story.html

TLDR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y169BY1J8EE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Those stories that are supposed to make me feel sympathy for the man invariably just make me think of him as the over-privileged rich guy with no connection to regular people he came off as.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2012, 02:11:53 AM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on December 02, 2012, 01:27:39 AM
Those stories that are supposed to make me feel sympathy for the man invariably just make me think of him as the over-privileged rich guy with no connection to regular people he came off as.

(http://i.imgur.com/91po9.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2012, 02:30:01 AM
It's amusing that Mitt Romney is basically unemployed right now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 02, 2012, 03:23:25 AM
I liked the Onion's version better, http://www.theonion.com/video/romney-spends-600-million-on-toptier-soul-searchin,30441/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 02, 2012, 01:11:47 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2012, 02:30:01 AM
It's amusing that Mitt Romney is basically unemployed right now.

Yea, he's kind of in that weird post-2000 Al Gore zone now. Can't really get another job in politics and not really someone the party wants speaking on their behalf. So, maybe he should grow a beard and start an all-Mormon cable network.



(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9qc0MaOd1qzr9qko1_500.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 03, 2012, 09:31:05 AM
"Ann, did you let the dogs out?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 03, 2012, 10:43:06 AM
Well, I guess he can be a job creator now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 03, 2012, 06:22:23 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/gary-johnson-ran-most-successful-libertarian-campaign-party-193500973--politics.html

:smug
Title: Stolen from Prole
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2012, 06:42:48 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/

(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/corporateprofitsvswages1.png)

Blue line is wages as a percent of GDP (right axis) and red line is corporate profits as a percent of GDP (left axis).

Apparently life under the Obama administration hasn't been the dystopic nightmare for business that we've been told it is.  Also, with the exception of the financial crisis, we've seen sustained high profits for the last decade.  In a model ECON201 economy that behaves nice, we're not meant to see that; investors should see the high profits as a signal for where to put their money and create competition and shave off the profit margins.  What gives?


edit: played around with FRED a bit and you can replace wages with overall compensation (to include health care benefits and stuff) but the trends are basically the same.
Title: Re: Stolen from Prole
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 03, 2012, 06:42:48 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/03/1270541/corporate-profits-wages-record/

(http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/corporateprofitsvswages1.png)

Blue line is wages as a percent of GDP (right axis) and red line is corporate profits as a percent of GDP (left axis).

Apparently life under the Obama administration hasn't been the dystopic nightmare for business that we've been told it is.  Also, with the exception of the financial crisis, we've seen sustained high profits for the last decade. In a model ECON201 economy that behaves nice, we're not meant to see that; investors should see the high profits as a signal for where to put their money and create competition and shave off the profit margins.  What gives?

one could argue this is already happening, just with corporations and businesses investing in smaller, more productive work forces and sitting on the profits. The problem is that consumer spending hasn't fully recovered, but I wonder whether companies will determine expansion isn't as viable as what they're doing right now. Basically ToxicAdamn's point about this potentially being the new normal
Title: Re: Stolen from Prole
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
corporations and businesses investing in smaller, more productive workers

So, Oompa Loompas.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
Dammit I meant "smaller, more productive work forces."

my apologies to asian bore
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
My other punchline:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuhsA9oyZuQ


Anyways, the point is that if a firm is making a ton of money selling something, someone else should notice that there's money to be made and become a competitor.  At which point the original company will have to slash prices to compete until there's an equilibrium with relatively thinner margins.

So while it makes sense that corporations are hoarding cash (http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2012/07/16/idle-corporate-cash-piles-up/) rather than investing in expansion, given the weak economy, that's more an issue of what they're doing with their profits instead of why they're so high to begin with.  Also I'm pretty skeptical of labeling anything a "new normal" when it can be pretty well explained by cyclical macro.  Like I've heard some liberals say that corporations will keep the unemployment rate around 8% because they're greedy and want to get more work out of fewer employees.  This would be a new phenomenon?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 03, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/03/raising-medicares-age-saves-feds-5-7-billion-costs-you-11-4-billion/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/03/raising-medicares-age-saves-feds-5-7-billion-costs-you-11-4-billion/)
You mean the private insurance market isn't efficient?  Gee whiz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 03, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
I will say this for the Republican party.  The way they tricked a good portion of America into thinking that the reason liberals wanted healthcare care reform was because they're free market hating socialists and not because they see the health care market for what it is, a broken, expensive, colossally wasteful mess that will be the real fiscal reckoning for America was magisterial.  I mean, who looks at there insurance premiums every month and thinks "hey, this works for me!".   
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 03, 2012, 08:56:57 PM
I don't think many  people look at their insurance premiums because they get them through an employer.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2012, 09:17:53 PM
Yeah, most people don't know the direct cost of their insurance, even though employer-sponsored health plans have been declining.

But I'd imagine that most people have had to pay COBRA or otherwise face the costs of the individual insurance market when between jobs, or have a close friend/family member who has.  From how often you hear people talking about needing to keep a job so they or a spouse can maintain coverage, I think there's a general understanding that good health plan is really expensive and/or hard to get.  But the fear that seems embedded into the US system also makes it hard to change: a ton of the opposition to the ACA was based on the idea that your existing coverage (either private or Medicare) would be harmed.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2012, 10:58:39 AM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-dick-armey-to-step-down-as-head?ref=fpb

 :hyper :hyper :hyper

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, scumbag.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
And then there's this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/elizabeth-warren-banking-committee_n_2236898.html
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Wife and I just realized we'll be in DC during Obama's Inauguration. That's going to be awesome.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 04, 2012, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/republicans-un-treaty-disabled.php?ref=fpblg
Rights For The Disabled, Citing Impact On Home-Schoolers
 
December 4, 2012, 2:20 PM 2336The Senate Tuesday fell short of the two-thirds vote required to ratify a United Nations treaty aimed at securing rights for disabled people around the world, when the vast majority of Republican senators voted against the treaty. The final vote was 61-38 vote. All the nay votes were Republican.

The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities essentially makes the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act a non-binding international standard. It requires no change to U.S. law.

Originally signed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and re-signed by President Barack Obama in 2009 shortly after he took office, the treaty has been championed by former Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS), the one-time GOP presidential nominee who suffered a disability while serving in the Army in World War II. Dole was on the Senate floor Tuesday ahead of the ratification vote, in a wheelchair, accompanied by his wife, former Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-NC).

Longtime Republicans like Sens. John McCain (AZ), Dick Lugar (IN) and John Barrasso (WY) voted for the treaty. But that didn’t stop the party’s more conservative members from warning that it would violate U.S. sovereignty and dictate to parents with home-schooled children.

“I do oppose the CRPD because I think it does impinge upon our sovereignty,” said Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK). “Unelected bureaucratic bodies would implement the treaty and pass so-called recommendations that would be forced upon the United Nations and the U.S. … This would especially affect those parents who home-school their children. … The unelected foreign bureaucrats, not parents, would decide what is in the best interests of the disabled child, even in the home.” :hurr

Inhofe was joined by Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (SC), Mike Lee (UT), Marco Rubio (FL) and most of the party’s leadership in quashing the treaty. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (KY), who is up for re-election in 2014, voted against it.

“I and many of my constituents who home-school or send their children to religious schools,” said Lee, “have justifiable doubt that a foreign body based in Geneva, Switzerland, should be deciding what is best for a child at home in Utah.” :hurr

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), a proponent of the treaty, was flummoxed by the opposition.

“I’ve heard some of my Republican colleagues talk many times about making the rest of the world more like America,” he said. “I hate to think that now, when we have an opportunity to do that, they will retreat from the core conviction and oppose a treaty modeled on the United States example which has no recourse in American courts and no effect on American law.”

The conservative Republicans warned that the international community is a scary place.

“I have been an advocate of human rights around the world,” Inhofe said. “However, I do not support the cumbersome regulations and potentially overzealous international organizations with anti-American biases that infringe upon American society.” :hurr
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Wife and I just realized we'll be in DC during Obama's Inauguration. That's going to be awesome.

Sounds like a traffic nightmare, tbh.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 02:56:34 PM
Nonbinding UN resolutions: threat or menace?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2012, 02:59:59 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Wife and I just realized we'll be in DC during Obama's Inauguration. That's going to be awesome.

Sounds like a traffic nightmare, tbh.

We're staying with my wife's sister and brother-in-law. They live near the Capitol so we'll just walk everywhere.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
Santorum can't stand those lucky duckys.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Someone make a list of all the various UN conspiracies to usurp our bodily fluids sovereignty.  There's the Law of the Sea, the small arms trade treaty, climate (of course), Millennium Development Goals, Agenda 21, and now disabled rights.  Am I missing anything?


Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2012, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on December 04, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Wife and I just realized we'll be in DC during Obama's Inauguration. That's going to be awesome.

Sounds like a traffic nightmare, tbh.

It would be, for anyone insane enough to drive into DC for an event that size.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2012, 03:14:21 PM
Bob Dole personally came to congress in a wheelchair to get this passed. UN/globalist conspiracy theories have always existed on the right but this is just another example of things being worse now. Although I will say that I'd imagine that most of the people who voted against this aren't true believers; Rand Paul certainly is though. It was probably out of fear of their base, and being primary'd by some idiot who would accuse them of ceding US independence to the UN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2012, 03:17:49 PM
The worst thing about these UN treaty myths is seeing it actually making news here in Texas.  I've seen the small arms trade treaty reported on numerous times on local stations here in Houston and they always report it as restricting certain weapons sold here in the US.  Bleh.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
The UN can barely even work up the courage to politely ask Bashar al Assad if he wouldn't mind not murdering his own people so much, but I'll just bet they're chomping at the bit to storm into America with their mighty UN armies to take all our guns and smother all our downs babies.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
The UN can barely even work up the courage to politely ask Bashar al Assad if he wouldn't mind not murdering his own people so much, but I'll just bet they're chomping at the bit to storm into America with their mighty UN armies to take all our guns and smother all our downs babies.
Just the Christian ones. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
As a home schooled child I never felt more afraid than when a UN non-cis dominatrix would visit our house and watch me poop to ensure I only used the UN approved amount of toilet paper wipes: 2
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 04, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 03:29:02 PM
The UN can barely even work up the courage to politely ask Bashar al Assad if he wouldn't mind not murdering his own people so much, but I'll just bet they're chomping at the bit to storm into America with their mighty UN armies to take all our guns and smother all our downs babies.
Just the Christian ones. 

That's because all the non-christian ones already got aborted at the government-funded Abortionasium.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2012, 03:50:00 PM
I really don't feel dumber as an American citizen when our elected officials get publicly mad at the UN.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2012, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2012, 03:14:21 PM
Bob Dole personally came to congress in a wheelchair to get this passed. UN/globalist conspiracy theories have always existed on the right but this is just another example of things being worse now. Although I will say that I'd imagine that most of the people who voted against this aren't true believers; Rand Paul certainly is though. It was probably out of fear of their base, and being primary'd by some idiot who would accuse them of ceding US independence to the UN.

Yeah.

I think very few Republican Senators care about the treaty, and the path of least resistance is to appease the crazies; there's virtually no chance the disabled lobby will punish them for this, against a small but real chance that it could contribute to a Tea Party-style primary challenge against them if they had voted for it.

It creates problems long term by validating the nutjobs rather than pushing back against the FUD.  Eventually you'll have to govern and make policy, and you'll be boxed in by the craziness you let slide for years.  It'd be like telling people for years that you could cut the deficit with lower taxes, higher military spending, and untouched Medicare spending, and then you have to make a budget proposal...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2012, 04:20:20 PM
Is there any Republican that said the vote was pointless and the UN is pointless? I would respect that stance instead of hiding behind some other wierd explanation that is meant to appease the email forwarding, born-again wing.


--- /// ---


Ted Nugent:

Quote
Let's also stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any American who is on welfare. Once they get off welfare and are self-sustaining, they get their right to vote restored. No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane."


http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/358/607/fe8.gif
Woooo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 04, 2012, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2012, 04:20:20 PM
Is there any Republican that said the vote was pointless and the UN is pointless? I would respect that stance instead of hiding behind some other wierd explanation that is meant to appease the email forwarding, born-again wing.

I think that position was endorsed by the Senate Caucus of Hypothetical Republicans.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 04, 2012, 04:20:20 PM

Ted Nugent:

Quote
Let's also stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any American who is on welfare. Once they get off welfare and are self-sustaining, they get their right to vote restored. No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane."


http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/358/607/fe8.gif
Woooo
It's amazing how the constitution is all sacred and shit until poor people get to vote.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
I can't understand why Ted Nugent is listened to at all by the right.  He's a tough talking, hypocritical idiot.  You would think his history of draft dodging and hunting violations would bring an end to any legitimacy but alas the persona he's crafted for himself still takes center stage.  Gun nuts and military families should hate him. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2012, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: Mamacint on December 04, 2012, 02:47:23 PM
Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/republicans-un-treaty-disabled.php?ref=fpblg
Rights For The Disabled, Citing Impact On Home-Schoolers
 
December 4, 2012, 2:20 PM 2336The Senate Tuesday fell short of the two-thirds vote required to ratify a United Nations treaty aimed at securing rights for disabled people around the world, when the vast majority of Republican senators voted against the treaty. The final vote was 61-38 vote. All the nay votes were Republican.

The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities essentially makes the 1990 Americans With Disabilities Act a non-binding international standard. It requires no change to U.S. law.

Originally signed by then-President George W. Bush in 2006 and re-signed by President Barack Obama in 2009 shortly after he took office, the treaty has been championed by former Sen. Bob Dole (R-KS), the one-time GOP presidential nominee who suffered a disability while serving in the Army in World War II. Dole was on the Senate floor Tuesday ahead of the ratification vote, in a wheelchair, accompanied by his wife, former Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-NC).

Longtime Republicans like Sens. John McCain (AZ), Dick Lugar (IN) and John Barrasso (WY) voted for the treaty. But that didn’t stop the party’s more conservative members from warning that it would violate U.S. sovereignty and dictate to parents with home-schooled children.

“I do oppose the CRPD because I think it does impinge upon our sovereignty,” said Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK). “Unelected bureaucratic bodies would implement the treaty and pass so-called recommendations that would be forced upon the United Nations and the U.S. … This would especially affect those parents who home-school their children. … The unelected foreign bureaucrats, not parents, would decide what is in the best interests of the disabled child, even in the home.” :hurr

Inhofe was joined by Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (SC), Mike Lee (UT), Marco Rubio (FL) and most of the party’s leadership in quashing the treaty. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (KY), who is up for re-election in 2014, voted against it.

“I and many of my constituents who home-school or send their children to religious schools,” said Lee, “have justifiable doubt that a foreign body based in Geneva, Switzerland, should be deciding what is best for a child at home in Utah.” :hurr

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), a proponent of the treaty, was flummoxed by the opposition.

“I’ve heard some of my Republican colleagues talk many times about making the rest of the world more like America,” he said. “I hate to think that now, when we have an opportunity to do that, they will retreat from the core conviction and oppose a treaty modeled on the United States example which has no recourse in American courts and no effect on American law.”

The conservative Republicans warned that the international community is a scary place.

“I have been an advocate of human rights around the world,” Inhofe said. “However, I do not support the cumbersome regulations and potentially overzealous international organizations with anti-American biases that infringe upon American society.” :hurr

UN BLACK HELICOPTERS TAKING MY GUNS AND MY FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 04, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
I can't understand why Ted Nugent is listened to at all by the right.  He's a tough talking, hypocritical idiot.  You would think his history of draft dodging and hunting violations would bring an end to any legitimacy but alas the persona he's crafted for himself still takes center stage.  Gun nuts and military families should hate him.

Have you seen the episode of...I think it's No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain?  They go to Ted's favorite BBQ place and they sit down and have actually a pretty great discussion.  One super leftie and one super rightie...Bourdain actually convinced Nugent that some of his opinions were bullshit

Love Bourdain.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 04, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 04, 2012, 05:35:18 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 04, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
I can't understand why Ted Nugent is listened to at all by the right.  He's a tough talking, hypocritical idiot.  You would think his history of draft dodging and hunting violations would bring an end to any legitimacy but alas the persona he's crafted for himself still takes center stage.  Gun nuts and military families should hate him.

Have you seen the episode of...I think it's No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain?  They go to Ted's favorite BBQ place and they sit down and have actually a pretty great discussion.  One super leftie and one super rightie...Bourdain actually convinced Nugent that some of his opinions were bullshit

Love Bourdain.
Nope.  But now I'll have to check it out. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 04, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
Oh god, I may be in DC for Obama's inauguration and I don't want to meet gundam because I'm ugly and fat

ps my favorite beer is blue moon amber spice ale. don't judge me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2012, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on December 04, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
I can't understand why Ted Nugent is listened to at all by the right.  He's a tough talking, hypocritical idiot.  You would think his history of draft dodging and hunting violations would bring an end to any legitimacy but alas the persona he's crafted for himself still takes center stage.  Gun nuts and military families should hate him.

Those traits actually make him the perfect Republican.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2012, 09:08:41 PM
Quote
The U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons With Disabilities, for those who've forgotten, is a human rights treaty negotiated by the George H.W. Bush administration, which has been ratified by 126 nations, including China, Russia, Iran, Cuba, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.

Good jon, GOP.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2012, 09:10:57 PM
Gotta keep that 27% happy.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
The Right's fear/obsession with the UN is utterly baffling.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 04, 2012, 11:43:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG7S71v0LF0

 :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2012, 11:46:31 PM
Quote
I see that the way we will get the Hispanics and the other groups, the Asians, as part of the Republican Coalition is to get them first part of the great American Coalition. Make them think of themselves, not make but, persuade them to think of themselves primarily as Americans. Restore the overarching, all-encompassing concept of an American identity, which we used to have, which we knew how to bring about and which in the last 20 or 30 years very largely as a result of the democrats wanting to emphasize ethnicity rather than American-ness.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334562/coming-coalition-peter-robinson

Notice you never hear anyone lamenting the fact that Italian Americans have their own pride and culture, or why Irish Americans have their own holiday, or why non-Polish people can't say Polack. Cultural pride is perfectly fine for white people but is divisive and reverse-racist when blacks or Hispanics partake.

They don't get it, and I'm not sure they ever will.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 05, 2012, 12:20:12 AM
Non-Polish people can't say Polack?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 05, 2012, 12:39:01 AM
cultural pride for them is fine as long as its secondary to being white, and of course the main tenant in being white is to clearly position yourself as "NOT A POC"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 01:59:18 AM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html

49% of Republican poll respondents say that ACORN helped steal the election for Obama.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
ACORN hasn't existed for years.
[close]
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2012, 02:17:42 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 01:59:18 AM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html

49% of Republican poll respondents say that ACORN helped steal the election for Obama.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
ACORN hasn't existed for years.
[close]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o58jSDVCyKs
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 05, 2012, 08:46:40 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 01:59:18 AM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html

49% of Republican poll respondents say that ACORN helped steal the election for Obama.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
ACORN hasn't existed for years.
[close]

(http://i54.tinypic.com/1z1ydso.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2012, 11:46:31 PM
Quote
I see that the way we will get the Hispanics and the other groups, the Asians, as part of the Republican Coalition is to get them first part of the great American Coalition. Make them think of themselves, not make but, persuade them to think of themselves primarily as Americans. Restore the overarching, all-encompassing concept of an American identity, which we used to have, which we knew how to bring about and which in the last 20 or 30 years very largely as a result of the democrats wanting to emphasize ethnicity rather than American-ness.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/334562/coming-coalition-peter-robinson

Notice you never hear anyone lamenting the fact that Italian Americans have their own pride and culture, or why Irish Americans have their own holiday, or why non-Polish people can't say Polack. Cultural pride is perfectly fine for white people but is divisive and reverse-racist when blacks or Hispanics partake.

They don't get it, and I'm not sure they ever will.
There was about 3 days of handwringing about how the Republican party was going to broaden their base before they said "fuck that, it's because we're not conservative enough"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 05, 2012, 12:36:32 PM
It's hard to do soul searching when you've alreay sold those souls to corporate interests.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2012, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
"fuck that, it's because we're not conservative enough"

And look how well that worked for them in this latest election!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 12:43:03 PM
They lost, proof that they didn't push it hard enough. :drake
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2012, 12:45:02 PM
"We have to increase our appeal with minorities by making them understand how right we are! We just haven't done a good enough job of making them understand."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 12:49:34 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323713104578132940084607864.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323713104578132940084607864.html)

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2012, 12:45:02 PM
"We have to increase our appeal with minorities by making them understand how right we are! We just haven't done a good enough job of making them understand."

"add some 808s and salsa music and we'll be halfway there!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on December 05, 2012, 02:50:52 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2012, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2012, 12:45:02 PM
"We have to increase our appeal with minorities by making them understand how right we are! We just haven't done a good enough job of making them understand."

"add some 808s and salsa music and we'll be halfway there!"

Add some 303's and even I'll vote Republican... acieeeeeeed!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 05, 2012, 05:24:05 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 05, 2012, 12:49:34 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323713104578132940084607864.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323713104578132940084607864.html)

"If the GOP is serious about reaching out to minorities, social issues are rich soil for finding common ground."

Yes, because "You Blacks and Hispanics are all really Republicans and just don't realize it yet!" has been working so well so far.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 05, 2012, 05:37:59 PM
The GOP is trapped in its own web of bullshit and because they've enabled the teatards, anytime a Republican wants to even acknowledge the existence of the problem right in front of them, they'll get ousted by some far right freak.  It's why even if he loses a bunch of weight, Chris Christie will never get nominated.  He's praised Obama which really pissed off the far right chain e-mail set who will vote for a Santorum or a Perry in 2016 just to spite Christie.

No worries though, George Prescott Bush will handle it in the 2020 election.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2012, 05:42:14 PM
I guess the GOP hasn't seen the exit polls from 2012, showing Hispanics heavily favoring abortion access, and being pro-gay marriage.

I don't normally quote Andrew Sullivan, but he made a good point about Obama's gay marriage stance: it's one of the most recent and powerful examples of a president's views changing national views. Black people's views on gay marriage have shifted quite stunningly since Obama came out for it. I don't know how to explain it, and perhaps Obama was just jumping onto a wave that was already bubbling, but still...very interesting stuff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 08:04:50 PM
In defense of conservatives, all the planks in their platform which might have become electoral losers are also things they believe in and want to see acted on.  If I were in the same position of having to figure out which liberal goals to jettison entirely from the Democratic agenda, the most comforting thought--and the first thing I'd try to convince myself of--would be that we just needed to tweak the message a bit.  Especially after a relatively close loss with a candidate who thrilled nobody in the primaries.

So it's easy for us to say that the GOP would be better served by ditching the reactionary sexual politics, nativism, and devotion to the rich.  But if you're actually freaked out by gay people/immigrants/wealth redistribution?  Giving up on an important priority for a better shot at making progress on others is painful work (remember when the Obama administration had to do some of this lots of liberals convinced themselves that single payer healthcare and 1936 tax rates were there if only they'd try).  Likewise, David Frum can act real brave and buck his party on domestic issues because he was only ever in it for the perpetual warfare.

The GOP, on balance, is crazy and wrong.  But we shouldn't be surprised when they act like they believe in what they believe in.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 05, 2012, 11:32:19 PM
Here's a pretty great interactive graph showing the tax rates over the past 30 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/30/us/tax-burden.html?ref=us


I wish I had this handy when we were talking about the middle income brackets and how they are not paying enough taxes.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 11:38:26 PM
Well I don't think anyone was really disagreeing with that part.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 12:59:39 AM
Washington state drops the gay marriage bomb tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJu6MA_wF7o
:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2012, 01:05:01 AM
:rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 02:51:27 AM
Was wasting time on youtube when I ran across this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=379SI81Rjac

Harold Ford Jr v Kos in late 2007. The GOP's power struggles with itself has reminded me (a bit) of the DLC v progressive movement the democrats faced in the mid 2000s, especially after Kerry's loss. The 2008 election certainly looked good for democrats in late 2007, but there was still a pretty open leadership battle between the more centrist Clinton folks and the Howard Deans, John Edwards, and eventually Barack Obamas - enough that you could rightfully wonder whether dems could get their shit together or face a repeat of 2004.

There were plenty of people waiting in the wings to revive the DLC "we were too liberal!" memes if Obama had lost in 2008 (remember Evan Bayh?), or 2012 (Ed Rendell, Andrew Cuomo) for that matter. There still are some center-left think tanks/groups like Third Way, but for the most part the Clintonista DLC structure has been purged. The Joe Liebermans, Harold Ford Jrs, etc have largely been rendered irrelevant. Likewise the Blue Dog coalition has been almost completely annihilated in congress.

While I wouldn't compare the current activist right (tea party, Red State, etc) to the activist left (Daily Kos, MoveOn, etc) of the 2000s, they're certainly in a similar position compared to liberals back then. Being belittled, pushed out, establishment candidates winning presidential nominations over the movement candidates, etc. The biggest difference seems to be that conservatives are historically unable to buck the establishment candidate, whereas democrats constantly do. Traditionally the modern democrat party is composed of enough large groups (labor/unions, liberals, minorities, youth vote, etc) that an insurgent candidate can form successful coalitions, whereas I'm not sure this really happens with republicans anymore. Their coalitions seem more based around pure ideological wings (hawks, religious right, fiscal conservatives, etc) that tend to rally to the establishment candidate. Also in terms of pure numbers, the religious right seems like the only large group able to shift a primary race, whereas there are multiple groups that can do that for democrats.

TLDR: A shitty president, demographics, and coalition building have given democrats a lot of long term electoral advantages, whereas republicans seem to be stuck with a 20th century model; the smoky dark rooms of the 60s conventions may be extinct, but ultimately the establishment still picks the nominee, and the activist base can't do much to stop it because republicans continue to fall in line rather than fall in love.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 06, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
Clinton administration vets are very well represented through the Democratic party, and Democrats haven't nominated an "insurgent" since maybe Carter.  Obama was the keynote speaker at the previous convention.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 06, 2012, 07:30:56 AM
I remember back in 2007 that Hillary's nomination was inevitable and it was her turn and we should all fall in line and support her.  Also when I went to the primaries back in 2008, there were very clear demographics who were in favor of certain candidates.  Youth (including myself) and minorities were pretty much all in for Obama.  Hillary's supporters were almost exclusively middle aged white women, who I distinctly recall got pissy that young women were going for Obama instead of Hillary.  Middle aged men, old people, etc. were mostly for Edwards and the other lol candidates like Richardson, Biden, etc.

I suspect that the inevitability argument will come into play when Hillary runs again in 2016 but PD as you point out there are still multiple coalitions and demographics that does not make her nomination a slam dunk.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 06, 2012, 08:34:28 AM
I would like to get some kind of action on "Hillary 2016". She is done with politics, no matter what.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 06, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
Clinton administration vets are very well represented through the Democratic party, and Democrats haven't nominated an "insurgent" since maybe Carter.  Obama was the keynote speaker at the previous convention.

I'd argue Obama was somewhat of an insurgent candidate in the sense that he wasn't The establishment choice; Wall Street was supporting him early though, which is a knock against my argument. I'd also say Dukakis was an out of bounds choice too; Gephart and Gore were DLC centrist dems at the time.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 06, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 06, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
Clinton administration vets are very well represented through the Democratic party, and Democrats haven't nominated an "insurgent" since maybe Carter.  Obama was the keynote speaker at the previous convention.

I'd argue Obama was indeed an insurgent candidate in the sense that he wasn't The establishment choice. I'd also say Dukakis was an out of bounds choice too; Gephart and Gore were DLC centrist dems at the time.

Dukakis was the best out of a bad lot of dems that year. He was very much in the tradition of north eastern liberals of the time though.

Gary Hart was supposed to be the nominee and then he got busted and Mario Cuomo would never run when his brand actually mattered.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 06, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 05, 2012, 08:04:50 PM
In defense of conservatives, all the planks in their platform which might have become electoral losers are also things they believe in and want to see acted on.  If I were in the same position of having to figure out which liberal goals to jettison entirely from the Democratic agenda, the most comforting thought--and the first thing I'd try to convince myself of--would be that we just needed to tweak the message a bit.  Especially after a relatively close loss with a candidate who thrilled nobody in the primaries.

So it's easy for us to say that the GOP would be better served by ditching the reactionary sexual politics, nativism, and devotion to the rich.  But if you're actually freaked out by gay people/immigrants/wealth redistribution?  Giving up on an important priority for a better shot at making progress on others is painful work (remember when the Obama administration had to do some of this lots of liberals convinced themselves that single payer healthcare and 1936 tax rates were there if only they'd try).  Likewise, David Frum can act real brave and buck his party on domestic issues because he was only ever in it for the perpetual warfare.

The GOP, on balance, is crazy and wrong.  But we shouldn't be surprised when they act like they believe in what they believe in.
There you go getting all rational.  The question is however, what can the Republican base give up?  I mean gun control is an important issue for a lot of Dems, but they've all but abandoned because it hurts everything else.  The Republicans on the other hand have simply increased the importance of every single issue (especially in primaries) to the point where it's who agrees with the base the hardest.  And everytime they suffer a setback they simply redouble their efforts.  So what do you think it will be?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 06, 2012, 03:21:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXV6FW9Vg0I
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2012, 12:07:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGo8E3shaIQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 07, 2012, 01:08:52 PM
The poor right is crushed that despite Obama being elected jobs were still created.  You get the palpable sense that they honestly wanted people to lose their jobs so they could gloat.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2012, 01:13:58 PM
Fox News was blatantly gloating over the handful of business that were laying people off the day after the election, despite the fact that most of them had planned the layoffs well in advance of the election and had nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on December 07, 2012, 01:21:34 PM
Man , the Impeach shit is getting hilarious

OBAMA ARMED THE MIDDLE EAST
OBAMA HAS COMPROMISED THE SAFETY OF SECRET AGENT OPERATIVES
OBAMA IS GUILTY OF VOTER FRAUD
OBAMA IS IN LEAGUE WITH THE BIG BANKS
OBAMA IS.... APPARENTLY DOING EVERYTHING THAT THE GOP PRESIDENTS HAVE -ACTUALLY- BEEN DOING !

At this point it's such comedy platinum that i can't stop just Twitter searching "impeach" because the arguments apply sooooooooo much more to the previous Republican presidents that it's untrue.

I can tell you for one - that whole Blackrock shit? There's no god damned way that a non-tendered preferred bid agreement would happen in the UK with a company where the Vice President is a fucking board member. All fucking HELL would break loose

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2012, 02:45:54 PM
The employment data is buried on Drudge today lmao. He's not even focusing on the participation rate decline/people leaving the workforce. It seems like the hurricane had an impact there, and probably cost the month 50k jobs; UE benefit requests spiked heavily immediately after the storm, but have dropped as businesses re-opened.

Next month should be big, and the BLS will add the summer 2012 jobs they miscalculated to Jan/Feb 2013; we could see more than 600k jobs added total in the next three months. Imagine what Fox would be saying if Romney had won lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 07, 2012, 02:55:01 PM
I keep telling my friends they don't need to waste time watching Fox News to see intothe mind of a conservative, a quick glance at Drudge headlines once a day does the trick.  they still won't listen. :'(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2012, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 07, 2012, 02:55:01 PM
I keep telling my friends they don't need to waste time watching Fox News to see intothe mind of a conservative, a quick glance at Drudge headlines once a day does the trick.  they still won't listen. :'(

Eh, you don't even need to go to Drudge. Just check up on Media Matters once a day, they sample the best from a pretty broad range.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 07, 2012, 03:25:59 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meknylOpzF1qg996lo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2012, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 06, 2012, 12:59:34 PM
There you go getting all rational.  The question is however, what can the Republican base give up?  I mean gun control is an important issue for a lot of Dems, but they've all but abandoned because it hurts everything else.  The Republicans on the other hand have simply increased the importance of every single issue (especially in primaries) to the point where it's who agrees with the base the hardest.  And everytime they suffer a setback they simply redouble their efforts.  So what do you think it will be?

It feels like the GOP's becoming monotonically more rightwing and insane, but it's shown some flexibility and I expect that to happen again at some point.  GWB campaigned as a compassionate conservative to avoid the stigma of Gingrich and the House GOP and governed as a moderate on domestic policy (NCLB, Medicare Part D, no serious efforts to cut spending).  Republicans accepted all that with very minimal kvetching, and mid/late-90's conservatism was just as batshit as the current strain.

So what issues can they shift on?  Gun control's a really good example from the liberal side: it was big enough that Clinton made it one of his priorities, and within a decade nobody seems to give a crap.  I'd say it was never as central to American liberalism as the big economic/social justice issues, and after 1994 was seen as a sure loser politically (also generally sympathetic liberals gradually saw it as pretty weak policy in its own right).  So the cost/benefit calculation for Dem politicians was pretty clear.

Immigration is the policy that is getting the most attention as an albatross for the GOP, both from neutral pundits and from partisan figures like Gingrich, Rubio, Bush, Perry, etc.  So you'd expect movement there.  But last time, when Bush tried immigration reform, there was a grassroots backlash in the House.  So immigration seems to be pretty central to a lot of conservatives, to the point where they'll buck the party line if they don't like the policy.

But immigration isn't the real problem for the GOP.  It's their failure to win over latino voters.  And black voters.  And Asian voters.  Which isn't due to any one issue.  It's because the GOP has become the party of the white Christian monocultureTM Van Cruncheon.  So much of its issue positions and rhetoric are just ways of saying "we're standing with you, the traditional America, against the encroachment of the new subcultures with the different values, godlessness, weird sex and dark skin."  Romney didn't even embrace that many far-right positions during the primaries; the important thing was for him to say just how awful and terrible and horrible Obama was.  We all have a good laugh at how hypocritical the deficit hypocrisy was, but there's at least a lesson there: tea party types were much more freaked out about Obama (and what he represented culturally) being in charge than they were about any actual program or law or budget number.

And that's the real bind for the GOP.  As long as the party has to cater to freaked-out white folks, whatever new policies or memes it adopts will probably be new ways of conveying the same message, and the swarthy masses that just re-elected Obama will hear and understand that message just as clearly as the conservative base that it's aimed at.  People know when they're not wanted, and all the fake indignation in the world won't change that.

The problem for the conservative movement won't be solved by a changing a few planks in its platform.  Eventually, it's going to have to broaden the idea of the "real America" it represents to include some chunks of the populace that its used to treating as outsiders.  Which isn't impossible or unprecedented, but pretty well shuts the door on a quick fix.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 07, 2012, 09:13:53 PM
Ezra Klein (filling in for Maddow) just said that it's looking like Obama's willing to accept some midway point for the top tax rates (not 39.6% but like 37%) and is offering to raise the medicare age to 67 in exchange.

This sounds like a HORRIBLE deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2012, 09:20:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_8dv-lM4ho

Television reporting has been rather horrible on this, and while Ezra is smarter I doubt he writes the reporting blurbs on the show. Yesterday CNN reported Boehner was caving on taxes because he said he was open to "increased revenue." So yea, I'll wait for specific details.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/07/the-fiscal-cliff-deal-comes-clearer-a-37-top-tax-rate-and-a-higher-medicare-eligibility-age/

Klein's post on this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 07, 2012, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2012, 12:59:39 AM
Washington state drops the gay marriage bomb tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJu6MA_wF7o
:bow

:bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2012, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/07/the-fiscal-cliff-deal-comes-clearer-a-37-top-tax-rate-and-a-higher-medicare-eligibility-age/

Klein's post on this.

It's based entirely on speculation and what "smart" people in Washington are saying (ie what Beltway people want). False alarm folks, carry on with your normal lives
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
PD: Not what "Beltway people" want, but what sources inside the administration are telling him, more likely.  Which means they're accurately conveying what they believe, or have another reason to make this public.  I'd bet on there being some fire with this smoke.  Jon Chait argued for using Medicare age as a concession, and he's been pretty spot-on in assessing the state of negotiations.

Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 07, 2012, 10:19:35 PM
Avoiding the fiscal "cliff" is not worth a higher Medicare eligibility age. Go over that shit.

Also, why the fuck is anyone bothering to negotiate over the debt ceiling instead of taking the 14th Amendment route? This is the same bullshit that had me wanting a primary challenger to Obama 1-2 years ago.

Cause the 14th Amendment argument is purely speculative at this point.  The relevant text talks about repaying outstanding debt but says nothing about issuing new liabilities.  So it's not clear at all that it could be used to override the debt ceiling, and if you disagree then you've got a much more optimistic view of the Roberts court than I do.

Also, a tone of self-superior contempt is never a good look, especially when you don't know much about what you're talking about (and in this case you don't).  Please cut it out; I don't want to go through that shit again.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 07, 2012, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 07, 2012, 11:03:21 PM
Mandark, kindly go drown yourself in a vat of horse-semen, you pretentious little twat.

Saved in case there is an edit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 07, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
SHINOBI RETURNS
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 07, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
Thatescalatedquickly.jpg
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
Now wait a minute, Green Shinobi. Cheebs, who has a masters degree, agrees with Mandark here.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2012, 11:31:54 PM
That wasn't me being mean.  That was advice so I don't have to be mean later on.

Already had to go through this with Himu recently, and GS has a history of taking shit way more personal.  Would rather avoid that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 07, 2012, 11:42:00 PM
for someone who claims not to care, you pretty much fucking care.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 12:07:45 AM
I don't think I'm in a special position to hurt your feelings any more than any other Dude on a Forum.  It's just in the past you've reacted... poorly to criticism from Dudes on Forums.

Anyway, of course the government can pick and choose which of its obligations to pay.  In fact, the consensus legal opinion was that the 14th Amendment obligated the government to do just that: in the case of failing to reach an agreement, both Republicans and the administration (going on the legal advice it had received) said that bondholders would be paid.  Prioritizing certain financial claims over others happens all the time, and not just in the private sector.

I read Ungar's piece, and it basically is a triple bank shot that relies on the courts (including a somewhat hostile SCOTUS) finding an interpretation of Section 4 that is not at all clear from the text, and more importantly doesn't have much support, much less consensus, behind it in the legal community.  For example, in everything Jack Balkin wrote on the subject last year, I don't remember him ever even mentioning the idea that "the public debt" could be interpreted as appropriated funds.  It's not completely, 100% impossible that it wouldn't work, but it's light years away from "airtight".
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 07, 2012, 11:47:25 PM
In the past, the senior vote hasn't seemed very winnable for Democrats

http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_88.html
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_92.html
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_96.html
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_00.html
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/voted_04.html

Notice the Dem support for the 65+ age bracket outperforming overall Dem support, except for Kerry where it was just 1% behind.  There are historical/demographic reasons for this and why its changed in the last two cycles.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 12:18:41 AM
In other news:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/charlie-crist-signs-papers-to-become-a-democrat/1265224

Charlie Crist changed his registration to become a democrat
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 12:39:25 AM
Triumph, what's he meant to be angling for? Senate or a run at governor again? Also, are FL Dems jumping on his bandwagon or is it an Arlen Specter situation?

GS: Don't bank too much on the standing issue. Gay rights activists were hoping it would prevent the anti-gay lobby from appealing the overturning of Prop 8, but no go. Supporters of the law were able to take it to court even though they're obviously not affected by gay marriage. Courts tend to track with elite opinion; limiting the standing of Congressfolk to challenge spending is a good way of keeping the system from getting bogged down by nutters, but a challenge supported by the majority of the House would almost definitely be considered much more seriously (ie 4 votes to overturn the ACA).

With something like debt ceiling chicken, the downside is very, very high if you try a unilateral move and it gets shut down.  It only makes sense if the best result you can get through negotiation looks utterly awful (like repeal Medicaid bad or something) or if you believe the 14th amendment gambit would really be "airtight," rather than just "sounds logical to me."


PS Rick Ungar's a guy who produced a bunch of Marvel cartoons in the 90's. Yeah yeah, new world, amateur bloggers, new media, etc. I just wouldn't take this guy as a particular authority on anything technical, even if you like what he says. Especially if you like what he says.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2012, 01:01:50 AM
Read the ether Mandark gave me a few months back, Awesom-o. He was respectful, succinct, and downright blunt, but still understanding and made me think about politics differently. Ever since I have not posted much in the thread because I know, and feel, that people far more educated in the subject can offer things in a more pertinent, and less idealistic manner than I can. Meanwhile, I'm taking the back seat, examining, learning, researching, and reading. You would do well to do the same.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 01:03:48 AM
Crist is running for governor in 2014. I wonder if Obama/dems promised to clear the primary field for him in exchange for his 2012 endorsement. He worked pretty hard to get Obama re-elected, and it sure as hell wasn't just out of the kindness of his heart.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 01:06:28 AM
Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on December 08, 2012, 01:01:50 AM
Meanwhile, I'm taking the back seat, examining, learning, researching, and reading

"...until one day I'll have my revenge!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 08, 2012, 01:08:35 AM
ahahaha
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 01:14:14 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 01:03:48 AM
Crist is running for governor in 2014. I wonder if Obama/dems promised to clear the primary field for him in exchange for his 2012 endorsement. He worked pretty hard to get Obama re-elected, and it sure as hell wasn't just out of the kindness of his heart.

Pretty much this, Mandark.  He's running for Governor again, and considering that Rick Scott is as popular as herpes with syphilis on top, he'll probably win.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 01:27:07 AM
Shit, we forgot- you're never wrong about anything on the internet.  thanks for reminding us why you're so AWESOME-0!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 01:33:50 AM
The one thing I agree with Puddles on: I seriously doubt the SC would rule against Obama if unilaterally raised the debt, because in doing so they would be violating the 14th amendment right?

Obama could also just mint a coin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Look PD, if you're not even gonna read the posts...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2012, 01:35:36 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 12:39:25 AM
PS Rick Ungar's a guy who produced a bunch of Marvel cartoons in the 90's. 

Oh...my...god. That's the same Rick Ungar?  :o :o :o
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 01:43:35 AM
My one piece of advice for idealistic, smart young people getting into politics: if there's some policy or strategy that you just thought of or read about, and it seems completely great and beneficial and simple and easy to implement, but it hasn't been done, then there is almost definitely a reason for that, and that reason is rarely that the people who do this professionally are complete idiots.

That goes for other stuff too, but doubly in politics.  It's really common to feel as if you've stumbled upon some fantastic low-hanging fruit, but it's nearly always more complicated.  There's some risk or downside you haven't considered, some legal or institutional roadblock, a problem with the political side (a lack of support or underlying conflict).  Someone has thought of this already, and they have tried, and it didn't come off.  The more interesting, informing, and useful question is going to be "why didn't this happen?" rather than "how stupid are they not to have my insights?"

Not that politicians are always right, but they are professionals and tend not to pass on achieving their agenda at little or no cost.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 01:46:02 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Look PD, if you're not even gonna read the posts...

I did! During the debt ceiling crisis Geithner at one point accused republicans of violating the constitution by putting US debt in question. I could have sworn Balkin wrote an article about this supporting Geithner's point, and I just kind of assumed the same would apply to the Supreme Court (ie they'd be constitutionally obligated not to rule against the president). Of course, markets would react very poorly to put it lightly, but I was moreso theorycrafting than making a definitive point.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 01:48:27 AM
I think the Obama people don't believe they have the authority under the 14th amendment, and even if they DID the resultant chaos from them going over Congress' head would destabilize shit to the extent that a shutdown would be preferable.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 01:53:38 AM
To be clear, I'm not taking the Unger position that this was a problem with a simple solution but centrist traitor Obama was to afraid to push the 14th amendment Win Button.

Disclaimer: in 2011, my argument was that Obama should have simply stopped negotiating and dared republicans to crash the economy. I still don't believe they would have jumped off that cliff
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:02:38 AM
PD: IIRC the way Balkin gamed it out was like this: the 14th Amendment doesn't cover all federal spending obligations, mostly just issued debt.  The administration would do the best it could to "faithfully execute" all the laws, but that includes the debt ceiling and the 14th, so there would be at least a partial government shutdown.  Meanwhile, the Treasury would do everything it could to make sure that the debt was treated as valid.  Eventually everything would start going to hell and the world economy would crash again, at which point either the GOP would cave or the president could claim emergency powers and issue new debt, at which point Congress either supports him or impeaches him.

Which is not exactly what's being proposed here.

I hope.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 02:03:30 AM
Puddles: That's another good point. Obama was largely negotiating from a position of weakness in 2011: republicans were coming off a big election victory, and the president was gearing up for a tough election of his own. I think republicans recognized that and capitalized. Although in hindsight the ultimate deal republicans got was pretty bad: it set up the domino effect we'll see in January, when Obama will have nearly a trillion dollars worth of defense cuts he can trade for concessions/demands.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:08:37 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 08, 2012, 01:50:55 AM
On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the Democrats from 2009-2010 would have been better off with random PoliGAF members designing their overall strategy compared to what they actually did.

2009-2010 did more than anything to convince me that the median armchair LBJ is no more insightful than the median armchair Belichick.  I mean, fucking Prole, who is way smarter than I am, was saying stuff like "Single payer was on the table".  Mass hysteria.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 02:14:59 AM
I think after 2008, speaking for myself (as someone who is not smarter than Mandark or Prole) I guess I let hubris get the best of me.  I thought, "we're right, a nice majority of the country has decided we're right, and these fuckers are DONE."  I forgot that a lot of people are stupid, and a lot of people while not "stupid" exactly, are easily persuaded low information voters.  And I also forgot the nature of the enemy... the past 3 years have shown that they will lie, lie, and lie some more and the media are dickless enough to let them get away with it, which is a shitty way to run a country but oh well.

In the long run, demographics still don't favor the GOP, but man losing so many elections in 2010 really fucked the dems, especially as far as drawing congressional districts goes. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 02:20:46 AM
There's no question that democrats botched the health care roll out, but I wouldn't go so far as to claim I could have guided dems to the promised land. That being said I think we can all agree Harry Reid (and Obama) let Baucus waste very valuable time trying to kick Olympia Snow's Lucy's football. Likewise I think most people who watched the healthcare debate closely were baffled at how poorly democrats handled the communication aspect of things. Obviously the media played a role by being unable to discus policy, but democrats also deserve blame for not being able to show folks why the bill needed to be passed with unemployment at 10%. In hindsight, it reminds me of how the Romney camp allowed Obama's camp to define him all summer with the Bain ads, and by the time Romney fought back it was too late.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:25:54 AM
PD: If you assume that centrist Dem Senators would have voted for a giant health care bill without exhausting the search for bipartisan cover.  Pretty sure the passage time for ACA was pretty standard for a major bill, at that.  But liberals thought it took forever and conservatives thought it was rushed through.  Funny that!


http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/debt-ceiling-crisis-posts.html  Jack Balkin's pieces on the debt ceiling stuff from last year.  Third link seems to be the one I was remembering in particular.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:28:17 AM
I have better comparisons!

Obama hitting Romney on Bain ~= Bush hitting Kerry on Vietnam.

GOP closing ranks and freaking out old people about the ACA ~= Democrats closing ranks and freaking out old people about Bush's Social Security privatization.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:39:11 AM
Nope, don't all agree on that.

Circa Scott Brown being elected there was pressure on Obama to scrap the ACA and pass a much smaller bipartisan health bill.  More generally, is there a two year period in the last four decades of American politics that was more productive than 2009-10?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 02:47:26 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:28:17 AM
Obama hitting Romney on Bain ~= Bush hitting Kerry on Vietnam.

In short, letting the opponent dominate messaging with no pushback until it's too late

Pelosi had the votes in the House (with a republican at one point), so ultimately it was all about the senate. Once Franken arrived, the goal became enticing/bribing specific democrat senators (Nelson, Landreu mainly). Snowe may have initially been interested in voting for the bill, but it became obvious after awhile that her sole job was to water down the bill, and still vote against it.

The MA race wouldn't have mattered if dems had pushed the bill through, Scott Walker style.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 03:10:13 AM
Yeah, a bipartisan bill would have been a fig leaf, to avoid complete failure after all that effort rather than solve anything.  Which points up just how important the ACA was.

"At best" the ACA is the biggest, most ambitious expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society, achieving something that Truman, Carter, and Clinton failed to achieve and that LBJ didn't even try, something 90% similar to the Edwards plan that everyone agreed was super-liberal in 2007, and something vastly greater than the health plans in the Gore or Kerry platforms.

It's still amazing to me how many progressives are so quick to dismiss the bill because they thought 2008 had broken the GOP and turned us into the United States of Sweden or something.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2012, 03:18:35 AM
Mandark: btw you watching Proleague right now? STX and SKT about to go to the ace match
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/SC2ProLeague

I was disappointed about the public option and Pharma stuff, but you're right. Many folks on the left liked Edward's plan in 2007 more than the Clinton and Obama ones - and that's what we got, basically.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 03:26:17 AM
The public option became sort of a totem for the left.  "We won this election, we've crushed the GOP twice, and now we're letting Joe Lieberman write policy!? Fuck that noise!"  Pretty understandable, in the circumstances.

Which isn't to say the PO isn't good or liberal policy, but it took on way more importance for a lot of people because of the symbolism.  Which I think is pretty clear because 1) during the primaries nobody said "these health plans are all corporatist shams, except for the public option part!" 2) nobody pushed for Democratic Congressional candidates to include it in their platforms, or otherwise lobbied for it, afterwards, and 3) when that story came out about the pseudo-PO that was included as part of the compromise, everyone was completely shocked.  smh
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 08, 2012, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 08, 2012, 01:48:27 AM
I think the Obama people don't believe they have the authority under the 14th amendment, and even if they DID the resultant chaos from them going over Congress' head would destabilize shit to the extent that a shutdown would be preferable.
This is pretty much all that needs to be said on the 14th amendment option.  No one wants to see the largest cornerstone of the world economy be decided on by the supreme court. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 05:01:00 PM
Especially THIS fucking Supreme Court.   :yuck  Really hoping Kennedy retires and Scalia is killed by a meteor sometime in the next four years.  Yes, I'm a petty man.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 08, 2012, 10:20:32 PM
So any predictions how this is going to pan out form The Bore's best and brightest? Will a crappy comprise be met that everyone hates? Will we plummet over the cliff?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2012, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: Yeti on December 08, 2012, 10:20:32 PM
So any predictions how this is going to pan out form The Bore's best and brightest? Will a crappy comprise be met that everyone hates? Will we plummet over the cliff?

We are 100% going over the cliff imo.  These fuckers be cray.  It's not going to be so bad immediately, however.  If we do get a deal, Boehner probably loses the speakership and then Cantor does a debt ceiling hostage thing.  Make no mistake, the crazy wing of the party (redundant, I know) wants to piss in the punch bowl in whatever manner they can.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2012, 03:33:14 AM
Anderson Cooper Calls Out GOP Senator: You Have ‘Very Scary Hypotheticals’ But No Proof
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cooper-calls-out-gop-senator-on-disability-treaty-you-have-very-scary-hypotheticals-but-no-proof/

wow

Anderson :bow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on December 09, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
Getting duped by fake studies? I guess we know who really has the low IQ here (http://i.imgur.com/jd09X.gif)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 09, 2012, 08:55:56 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 08, 2012, 02:08:37 AM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 08, 2012, 01:50:55 AM
On the other hand, it's entirely possible that the Democrats from 2009-2010 would have been better off with random PoliGAF members designing their overall strategy compared to what they actually did.

2009-2010 did more than anything to convince me that the median armchair LBJ is no more insightful than the median armchair Belichick.  I mean, fucking Prole was saying stuff like "Single payer was on the table".  Mass hysteria.

that was definitely my political version of my nintendo ds moment, where i conflated my biases with my perception of reality :-(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 09, 2012, 09:05:52 PM
At the time, it seemed very possible, like it was just within the reach to have it.  Alas...
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 09, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
At the time I was pissed off that it seemed like great opportunities to make serious inroads in things that desperately needed reform were slipping through their fingers due to the likes of people like Ben Nelson.  At this point, I'd rather they did what they did instead of try for something huge and throw away their political capital for something that might not have really worked anyway.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2012, 03:25:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk1NMu6AY8s

I guess Governor Snyder figured he could get away with right-to-work after the collective bargaining initiative failed on the ballot on election day, but it has backfired; he hasn't signed it yet but apparently he plans on doing so tomorrow.

This strikes me as a good point on something that is often overlooked when controversial votes are taken: elections matter. The sophomoric argument that both parties are exactly the same therefore why vote doesn't apply, especially on the state and local levels. I'm not going to preach on this without admitting my own guilt here: I voted for Snyder. I didn't like the state democrat party, didn't like the governor nominee in 2010, and sure as hell didn't like Jenny From The Block. I figured Snyder would be held in check by divided government, I believed he was more of a technocrat than an ideologue, etc. And in some ways I was right about Snyder - he has batted down ridiculous voter ID laws and most of the ridiculous social conservative agendas. But he has also proven to be quite right wing on budgets, taxes, and now labor issues. It's a shame the democrat party here is in such disarray, I honestly think Snyder can get re-elected considering the economy here continues to slowly improve.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 10, 2012, 06:20:04 PM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/10/gold_coin_boom_worried_republicans_stocking_up.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/10/gold_coin_boom_worried_republicans_stocking_up.html)

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The irony of gold buyers is that while yellowish metal has a reputation as a conservative investment, it's basically the most purely speculative investment you can make. There's no way I can think of that you can even conceptualize what the fundamentals of gold are or are supposed to be.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 10, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
The fundamentals are to not die an agonizing death when the ancient ones awake from their long slumber and demand tribute from each human being in the form of that which gives them sustenance
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2012, 10:32:52 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 10, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
The fundamentals are to not die an agonizing death when the ancient ones awake from their long slumber and demand tribute from every human being in the form of that which gives them sustenance

Fuck that, you want to be EATEN FIRST in that case
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 10, 2012, 10:51:35 PM
What do you guys think of the idea of changing the rules for the new senate so that only cabinet and justice appointments would be accomplished by majority vote?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 02:21:38 PM
Sounds like Israel hater Chuck Hagel will be the next Sec of Defense. Going to need a statement from Mandark
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 03:52:16 PM
Not a bad appointment.  But in shittier appointment news, Susan Rice withdraws her name from SoS possibilities.

Fuck John McCain, dude needs to croak already.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 03:54:52 PM
I don't really mind that Kerry is likely to get it, but christ on a cross, this was supposed to be a SIMPLE FUCKING NOMINATION.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 04:03:01 PM
hack-a-dwight  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 13, 2012, 05:17:08 PM
Filibuster reform?  Pfffft.  It was never going to happen.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 13, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on December 13, 2012, 03:52:16 PM
Not a bad appointment.  But in shittier appointment news, Susan Rice withdraws her name from SoS possibilities.

Fuck John McCain, dude needs to croak already.

John McCain was all over her like white on rice.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2012, 06:28:50 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2012, 08:25:22 PM
I don't think it has anything to do with the filibuster stuff, and I honestly believe she would have been approved if she was nominated.

The media's reporting on the filibuster has been horrible btw, and is another example of how bad they are when discussing policy. Reid is not even considering the "nuclear option" of completely ending the fillibuster, yet every day Politico or a TV network uses that phrase and concern trolls about the ramifications. From what I understand they are discussing ending secret holds and potentially bringing back the Jesse Helms filibuster (or as everyone else likes to refer to it as, the Mr. Smith Goes To Washington filibuster): endless talking on the senate floor to extend obstruction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 14, 2012, 12:44:50 AM
Susan Rice had a financial stake in the Keystone pipeline. I hope that was the reason due to conflict of interest.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 14, 2012, 10:29:26 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/christian-radio-host-god-didnt-stop-ct-shooting-because-we-took-prayer-out-of-the-classroom/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Groogrux on December 15, 2012, 01:31:05 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 14, 2012, 10:29:26 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/christian-radio-host-god-didnt-stop-ct-shooting-because-we-took-prayer-out-of-the-classroom/

That's so messed up on so many levels.  Leave it to a so-called "Christian" to say something like this.  I've seen this crap on Facebook today too and I can't believe how low people will go to press their agenda.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 16, 2012, 11:04:57 PM
(http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/worldmfg.jpg)

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The main reason that the manufacturing/GDP ratio has declined in the U.S. and around the world is that productivity gains for durable goods have significantly lowered the price of those goods relative to: a) the prices of services, and b) national incomes.  In other words, the declining manufacturing/GDP ratio reflects declining prices for manufactured goods globally, which is a sign of economic progress, not regress.  The standard of living around the world today, along with global wealth, income and prosperity, are all much, much higher today with manufacturing representing 16% of total world output (including the U.S.) compared to 1970, when it was almost twice as high at 26%.  And for that progress, we should celebrate, not complain about the “decline of manufacturing.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2012, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: Oblivion on December 14, 2012, 10:29:26 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/online/christian-radio-host-god-didnt-stop-ct-shooting-because-we-took-prayer-out-of-the-classroom/

Can the same be said about the Holocaust?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
Oh this fiscal cliff stuff is sure high drama .. will they come to a conclusion?!!?

 ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 19, 2012, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 19, 2012, 03:11:19 PM
Oh this fiscal cliff stuff is sure high drama .. will they come to a conclusion?!!?

 ::)
The biggest non-story of the year (after the inevitable re-election of Obama of course).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 19, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZsXrzF8Cc

Narrated by Ed Asner
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 05:44:34 PM
The "fiscal cliff" is a bad frame and worse metaphor, but this is one of those times where one of the most fundamental aspects of government (how much do we spend on what and how do we pay for it?) is getting hashed out, and much more explicitly than usual.

So if you think that stuff is important, this is fairly interesting.  If you don't, then I'm not sure why you'd follow politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2012, 06:11:24 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2012/12/fiscaloffers2_big.jpg

Ladies and gentlemen, John Boehner.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 19, 2012, 06:17:42 PM
so basically, he's just conceding that there isn't going to be a deal?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2012, 06:27:28 PM
what a fucking cunt
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2012, 06:28:01 PM
Boehner's problem is the lunatics in his caucus who want to live in Red Dawn and take down the evil soshilust presnint.  WOLVERINES!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 06:32:48 PM
You could put a bar on that graph with Obama's name on it that looks a bit similar.  He's been daring the House GOP to pass a bill that locks in the Bush rates for the lower brackets ("let's pass what we all agree on, the pen's on my desk to sign that" etc) and then negotiate the rest of the stuff separately.

Which the GOP obviously doesn't want to do, because their best chance of keeping the lower rates on the wealthy are to tie them to lower rates for everyone else.  So Boehner's trying to flip that by proposing a bill that does what Obama asks, except it raises the threshold for the top bracket to $1M rather than $250k.  "You said you wanted to tax millionaires, so this should be okay, right?"  I think they know it's not going anywhere, but half these negotiations are convincing the public and/or the media that it's the other side that's unwilling to strike a deal.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2012, 06:51:00 PM
Hilariously, Norquist gave the plan his blessing; meanwhile the Club For Growth is shitting on it, as are far right conservatives. If this was Boehner's play to show he has his caucus under control, it just may end in hilarious fashion tomorrow by failing to pass the House. And if he can't pass a tax on income over 1mil in the House, how the hell will he pass one on income above 250 or 400m?  :lol

Obama is giving them social security cuts - a rail everyone assumed was untouchable just a few weeks ago - and they still won't say no. So yea bros, it's time to roll off the curb. Let that pressure force republicans to pass the middle income tax cut in early January. Hell, raise it to 300k instead of 250k to protect Wall Street firms small businesses, go ahead. Best believe republicans will pass it if we go over the cliff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 19, 2012, 07:13:58 PM
I'd love to go over the cliff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2012, 07:52:18 PM
I WISH A MOTHERFUCKER WOULD
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 19, 2012, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 06:32:48 PM
You could put a bar on that graph with Obama's name on it that looks a bit similar.  He's been daring the House GOP to pass a bill that locks in the Bush rates for the lower brackets ("let's pass what we all agree on, the pen's on my desk to sign that" etc) and then negotiate the rest of the stuff separately.

Which the GOP obviously doesn't want to do, because their best chance of keeping the lower rates on the wealthy are to tie them to lower rates for everyone else.  So Boehner's trying to flip that by proposing a bill that does what Obama asks, except it raises the threshold for the top bracket to $1M rather than $250k.  "You said you wanted to tax millionaires, so this should be okay, right?"  I think they know it's not going anywhere, but half these negotiations are convincing the public and/or the media that it's the other side that's unwilling to strike a deal.

If the GOP  passes the lower tax rates exactly as Obama wants, with the only difference being the 1 million rate, couldn't the bill then go to the Senate and get morphed completely into the Senate version through reconciliation?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2012, 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on December 19, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6ZsXrzF8Cc

Narrated by Ed Asner

OMG class warfare! :maf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 19, 2012, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on December 19, 2012, 08:58:34 PM
If the GOP  passes the lower tax rates exactly as Obama wants, with the only difference being the 1 million rate, couldn't the bill then go to the Senate and get morphed completely into the Senate version through reconciliation?

No.  Reconciliation's complicated and I don't completely understand it, but both houses have to vote to declare a bill part of the reconciliation process, which means the leadership of both houses have to be on board (it won't come up for a vote unless Boehner wants it to).

The Senate could pass its own version that sets the threshold at 250k, and then the bill would go to conference.  If they got a compromise in conference, the House and Senate would both have to vote on that final version.  So you can't have a law that passes without each house having approved its final form.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 19, 2012, 11:36:16 PM
Oh, I thought on issues of budget that was streamlined in some way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2012, 11:56:02 PM
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/piers-morgan-eviscerates-pro-gun-advocate-youre-an-unbelievably-stupid-man-arent-you/

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2012, 12:05:20 AM
All reconciliation does is cut off debate after a specific time and limit amendments. Which is more or less why it can't be filibustered.

If the House agreed to reconciliation, the Senate could theoretically just take whatever the House sends them and change it into a bill that raises taxes to 9000% on anyone who voted for the GOP under reconciliation. The House still has to approve the bill the Senate passes or a conference bill.

And I believe you can only use reconciliation once per year.

EDIT: This is what the House passed in March:
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Reconciliation in the FY 2013 Budget
The budget includes reconciliation instructions for the following six House committees, directing them to find additional program savings that would total $261 billion in deficit reduction over 10 years: Agriculture; Energy and Commerce; Financial Services; Judiciary; Oversight and Government Reform; and Ways and Means.
So the House may have already agreed to allow reconciliation?

I'm not sure at all what effect the Senate not passing budget resolutions has on this process, like if they could just pass one with reconciliation instructions right before or not.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 20, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
I think it's a moot point, because the main advantage of reconciliation is cutting down debate time in the Senate, and the Senate's not going to kill anything that Obama and Boehner agree with.


Meanwhile, the Washington Post's editorial board opposes Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense because he wants to cut military spending too much and is soft on Iran.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 20, 2012, 12:59:53 AM
Yes, yes, I got off track there from the specific case to the general. Though maybe we could find a Senator to filibuster whatever is agreed to. That would be quite fun.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 20, 2012, 01:08:58 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 20, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
I think it's a moot point, because the main advantage of reconciliation is cutting down debate time in the Senate, and the Senate's not going to kill anything that Obama and Boehner agree with.


Meanwhile, the Washington Post's editorial board opposes Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense because he wants to cut military spending too much and is soft on Iran.

Well, any place that would employ Jennifer Rubin would probably have that opinion :P
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2012, 01:41:13 AM
Reconciliation is moreso a means of passing budget/tax legislation without dealing the filibuster, it'll have no role in the cliff talks. The 250k cut has already passed the senate, and I haven't seen any rumblings from McConnell that threaten to scuttle a larger deal; in fact he's been completely irrelevant in the discussions. Whatever Boehner and Obama agree to will pass the senate.

The problem is that the House is far more extremist than the senate. As I said earlier, we will see tomorrow just how fucked the process is. If Boehner cannot pass his ridiculous Plan B, he probably can't pass anything (this year).
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 20, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
Plan B for BIIIIOOTCH!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The wingnuts are now officially running the asylum, I guess. I wonder who will be Speaker next term.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 20, 2012, 09:08:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F56fEyNOTVM
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2012, 09:21:22 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 20, 2012, 08:59:02 PM
I wonder who will be Speaker next term.

Louis Gohmert.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2012, 09:33:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj4adAAHa68
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 20, 2012, 09:57:42 PM
Can we eject the entire GOP Congressional delegation into the sun yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 20, 2012, 10:23:00 PM
Can't watch the video at work. Summary plz.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 20, 2012, 10:24:47 PM
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"The House did not take up the tax measure today because it did not have sufficient support from our members to pass," Boehner said in a statement. "Now it is up to the president to work with Senator (Harry) Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff."

"We Republicans can't come up with a plan that the Republicans will agree to. So now it is up to Obama and the Democrats to come up with a plan that the Repuplicans will agree to." :spin
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpZhugomNJE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 21, 2012, 11:19:18 AM
So the house has implicitly said they are going to tie this whole thing to the debt ceiling now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 21, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
The problem with the right's position is that the general populace is ready to blame them, not Obama.  So if a deal isn't struck they just look like assholes (which they are).
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 21, 2012, 01:41:56 PM
That NRA speech really showed me that the speaker and anyone who believes any of that bullshit aren't mentally qualified to own guns.

We need a police state for freedom now?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2012, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 21, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
The problem with the right's position is that the general populace is ready to blame them, not Obama.  So if a deal isn't struck they just look like assholes (which they are).

The larger problem is that by and large, their obstinance is going to play well at home in their gerrymandered districts, where their voters have been conditioned via Fox and talk radio to believe that Obama is destroying MURIKA, thus their brave congresscritters playing Wolverines is an act of patriotism instead of stupidity.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 21, 2012, 02:55:41 PM
I think we go over the cliff... the question then becomes, are there enough Republicans in the house who will vote for a simple bill cutting taxes on just those making under 250k a year?  They can legitimately tell Grover Norquist at that point they never voted for a "tax increase", all they did was let tax cuts for high earners... drown in a bath tub so to speak.

Or, will they refuse to vote for anything that doesn't include tax cuts for the wealthy too?  Gonna be fun to watch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2012, 03:30:56 PM
I think there will be enough republicans to pass the tax cut next year. Remember there will be 201 democrats in the House next year, meaning Boehner and Obama will only need 17 republicans to pass the tax cut.

The funniest thing is that Boehner managed to get Obama to put Social Security on the table...and republicans still refused the deal. Newt Gingrich would have had so much fun with Obama in the 90s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2012, 03:33:29 PM
Why do people care what Grover Norquist thinks? I certainly don't.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 21, 2012, 09:35:12 PM
norquist is the gatekeeper for several extremely rich republican donors and special interests. he's the brandt to their lebowski.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 21, 2012, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2012, 03:30:56 PM
I think there will be enough republicans to pass the tax cut next year. Remember there will be 201 democrats in the House next year, meaning Boehner Cantor and Obama will only need 17 republicans to pass the tax cut.

The funniest thing is that Boehner managed to get Obama to put Social Security on the table...and republicans still refused the deal. Newt Gingrich would have had so much fun with Obama in the 90s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 21, 2012, 10:33:13 PM
House only votes on what leadership allows a vote on, and Boehner will only bring a vote to the floor if he doesn't think it'll get him deposed.  I'd be very, very surprised to see a deal that passes with unanimous Democratic and token Republican support in the House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 22, 2012, 02:10:31 AM
Bu-bu-bu what about that episode of the West Wing when all the Democrats hide out in the VP's office and trick the Speaker into thinking they all left town so that he calls the vote and then it's all "AHA!  We're all here, SUCKA!"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2012, 02:31:04 AM
Aaron Sorkin liked to do a lot of cocaine.  A LOT.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on December 22, 2012, 02:42:18 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 22, 2012, 02:31:04 AM
Aaron Sorkin liked to do a lot of cocaine.  A LOT.

That episode was two seasons after Sorkin left the show!  So...HA!

...

Yes, I'm pretty much the biggest West Wing geek on the planet....  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2012, 01:34:15 PM
Oh my, sounds like Barry done grown a pair

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/wsj-fiscal-cliff-talks-between-obama-boehner-broke?ref=fpb

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At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?"

"You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2012, 04:18:16 PM
Is the fiscal cliff still a "debt crisis" in the popular consciousness?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: Boogie on December 22, 2012, 02:10:31 AM
Bu-bu-bu what about that episode of the West Wing when all the Democrats hide out in the VP's office and trick the Speaker into thinking they all left town so that he calls the vote and then it's all "AHA!  We're all here, SUCKA!"

this actually happened...?

I only got through 2 West Wing eps before giving up. I love politics/legislative drama but the writing was just too much for me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 22, 2012, 09:33:19 PM
Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on December 22, 2012, 04:18:16 PM
Is the fiscal cliff still a "debt crisis" in the popular consciousness?

The GOP has successfully framed this as "absence of government spending hurts the economy" instead of "let's bring down the debt"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 23, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/statuses/282927803274502144?tw_i=282927803274502144&tw_e=media&tw_p=tweetembed (https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/statuses/282927803274502144?tw_i=282927803274502144&tw_e=media&tw_p=tweetembed)

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 23, 2012, 11:31:23 PM
Culture war.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2012, 01:30:47 AM
Even Noonan agrees with some basic gun control
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cory-booker-lambasts-false-gun-debate-i-dont-know-if-anybody-here-has-seen-someone-shot-i-have/

but good lord her voice is grating.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 24, 2012, 04:12:21 AM
You have to see the entire episode of that round table btw
http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/roundtable-week-politics-18050022

Booker is like a shark on a mountain completely out of his element. I'm not some major fan of his, but it was stunning watching him cut through Beltway bullshit as the other hosts continued to repeat the same talking points over and over again.

Eliminating specific guns, or even specific ammunition, will not solve gun violence. It's the most polarizing way to address the issue and arguing over it ensures nothing will get done. Requiring background checks by eliminating gun show loopholes would help immensely, the vast majority of people agree on it, etc. I hope this gun debate doesn't end up dying on a hill because half the country thinks any ban on guns violates the second amendment, but that's going to happen
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 24, 2012, 09:17:51 PM
Just when you think there's no more election schadenfreude to be had, that surely every last drop has been wrung out by now, then you read something like this, Middle-aged Conservative Love Boat:

http://nymag.com/news/features/republican-caribbean-cruise-2012-12/

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Hassett, with an oddly cheerful, Oh-What-My-Country-Has-Done-Now mien, predicted economic doom under Obama, the most likely scenario being another Great Depression, which would make 2008 look like a joyride.

That prompted a tall, extremely tanned blonde named Kay, from Old Greenwich, Connecticut, to ask Hassett, the co-­author of the 1999 book Dow 36,000, “So what do we do with our money?”

Quote
Then Hassett pivoted to the liberal media. “I actually think that Goebbels was more critical of Hitler than the New York Times is of Obama,” said Hassett, tucking into a piece of strudel. “I was in the middle of the fight against the propaganda, and I have stories like you wouldn’t believe. These people are so evil. They’re basically Fascists. It’s unbelievable.”

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After dinner was a program called the “Light Side of the Right Side.” A frenetic, tightly wound man named James Lileks, a National Review columnist from Minnesota, warmed up the crowd with one-liners: “If we can put a man on the moon, we can put 50 million Democrats up there as well!”

Quote
Jonah Goldberg attempted a note of optimism, garnering hearty applause when he said conservative ideas were “still salable because, A, they’re correct. Two plus two is four. You have to believe that we’re going to be proven right by reality.”

In response, the moderator recounted the litany of dreary statistics from Reed and Rasmussen earlier that day. “So therefore we should give up and burn our passports and stay on this boat forever?” said Goldberg with real exasperation.

The crowd erupted in cheers.

:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 24, 2012, 10:37:45 PM
:lol

I was reading earlier on my phone while going around visiting - I didn't want to get out of the car until I finished it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 26, 2012, 08:51:41 AM
Quote
. “So therefore we should give up and burn our passports and stay on this boat forever?” said Goldberg with real exasperation.

The crowd erupted in cheers.

to love america, they must leave it
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 26, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html)

This is the first time I've even heard of agenda 21.  The Tea Party falls further into irrelevance.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 26, 2012, 02:47:42 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Agenda-21-Glenn-Beck/dp/1476716692

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“I was just a baby when we were relocated and I don’t remember much. Everybody has that black hole at the beginning of their life. That time you can’t remember. Your first step. Your first taste of table food. My real memories begin in our assigned living area in Compound 14.”

Just a generation ago, this place was called America. Now, after the worldwide implementation of a UN-led program called Agenda 21, it’s simply known as “the Republic.” There is no president. No Congress. No Supreme Court. No freedom.

There are only the Authorities.

Citizens have two primary goals in the new Republic: to create clean energy and to create new human life. Those who cannot do either are of no use to society. This bleak and barren existence is all that eighteen-year-old Emmeline has ever known. She dutifully walks her energy board daily and accepts all male pairings assigned to her by the Authorities. Like most citizens, she keeps her head down and her eyes closed.

Until the day they come for her mother.

“You save what you think you’re going to lose.”

Woken up to the harsh reality of her life and her family’s future inside the Republic, Emmeline begins to search for the truth. Why are all citizens confined to ubiquitous concrete living spaces? Why are Compounds guarded by Gatekeepers who track all movements? Why are food, water and energy rationed so strictly? And, most important, why are babies taken from their mothers at birth? As Emmeline begins to understand the true objectives of Agenda 21 she realizes that she is up against far more than she ever thought. With the Authorities closing in, and nowhere to run, Emmeline embarks on an audacious plan to save her family and expose the Republic—but is she already too late?

uh didn't see that there's an excerpt of chapter one at the bottom of the sales listing
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2012, 02:49:15 PM
There's really no limit on the insanity of the Tea Party.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Vertigo on December 26, 2012, 03:06:18 PM
 :lol At the Amazon comments on that Glenn Beck book.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 26, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
Glenn Beck doubling up on that Tea Party money and Hunger Games money. Cha-ching, baby!  :pimp
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 26, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
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“We kept animals on the farm,” she said.

Imagine that! Keeping animals! At every Social Update Meeting they remind us that animals are sacred and belong to the Earth, not to people. Animals are protected. We have to recite, in unison, the Pledge of Animals.

I pledge allegiance to the Earth and to the sacred rights of the Earth and to the Animals of the Earth.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
Glenn Beck is only the third-best Mormon writer, unfortunately.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 26, 2012, 11:44:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 26, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html)

This is the first time I've even heard of agenda 21.  The Tea Party falls further into irrelevance.

Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Someone make a list of all the various UN conspiracies to usurp our bodily fluids sovereignty.  There's the Law of the Sea, the small arms trade treaty, climate (of course), Millennium Development Goals, Agenda 21, and now disabled rights.  Am I missing anything?

Look at me, I'm like a hipster for rightwing paranoia.  Lemme tell you all about the next big thing they're going to be irrationally afraid of...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
black people still
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 27, 2012, 02:12:42 PM
:lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 27, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 27, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
If it wasn't them it would be someone else. Senators aren't going to give up their power. They're probably just willing to take the fall because their seats are (relatively) safe.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2012, 11:34:40 PM
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Kentucky native Danny Hafley has sparked controversy after he erected a statue of President Barack Obama near his house depicting the nation’s first black president eating watermelon. When asked to defend his artistic choices, Hafley replied that the 44th President of the United States “might get hungry standing out here.”
http://www.mediaite.com/online/kentucky-man-defends-racially-inflammatory-statue-of-obama-eating-watermelon-he-might-get-hungry/

I can't even hate. It's just reached that level (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ4B7G8Rw3Q) where you can't even get offended/mad  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2012, 01:53:42 AM
The Senate's been very frustrating to follow the last few years, but the filibuster cuts both ways.  Removing bottlenecks means making it easier for bad bills to pass (or less compromise being needed to pass them) along with the good bills.  So the door would be a little bit more open for stuff like SOPA/PIPA and SS/Medicare privatization.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 28, 2012, 05:33:01 AM
Quote from: Mandark on December 26, 2012, 11:44:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 26, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/agenda-21-tea-party_n_1965893.html)

This is the first time I've even heard of agenda 21.  The Tea Party falls further into irrelevance.

Quote from: Mandark on December 04, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
Someone make a list of all the various UN conspiracies to usurp our bodily fluids sovereignty.  There's the Law of the Sea, the small arms trade treaty, climate (of course), Millennium Development Goals, Agenda 21, and now disabled rights.  Am I missing anything?

Look at me, I'm like a hipster for rightwing paranoia.  Lemme tell you all about the next big thing they're going to be irrationally afraid of...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
black people still
[close]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/12/27/dairy_cliff_and_the_plot_against_the_white_race.html
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As you may have heard, part of the fiscal cliff pileup is that in the absence of a new farm bill we're facing a "dairy cliff" in which the farm subsidy scheme will revert to a 1949 law establishing a minimum price for dairy products and likely leading to a near-doubling of milk prices. As an American with limited tolerance for lactose, I wasn't so concerned about this. But Erik Loomis offers some remarks from Herbert Hoover that casts the whole affair in a more nefarious light.

From the June 1922 edition of Dairy World:

    In its broad aspects, the proper feeding of children revolves around a public recognition of the interdependence of the human animal upon his cattle. The white race cannot survive without dairy products.

Dinesh D'Souza warned us.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 28, 2012, 09:35:47 AM
i love / hate The Transom because it brings me wonderful things like this to read.

http://www.newgeography.com/content/003361-is-americas-future-progressive

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Progressives may be a lot less religious  than conservatives, but these days they have reason to think that Providence– or Gaia — has taken on a bluish hue.

From the solid re-election of President Obama, to a host of demographic and social trends, the progressives seem poised to achieve what Ruy Texeira predicted a decade ago:  an “emerging Democratic majority”.

Virtually all the groups that backed Obama — singles, millennials, Hispanics, Asians — are all growing bigger while many of the core Republican groups, such as evangelicals  and intact families, appear in secular decline.

And then, the Republicans, ham handed themselves, are virtually voiceless (outside of the Murdoch empire) in the mainstream national media.

Whatever the issue that comes up — from Hurricane Sandy to the Newtown shootings or the “fiscal cliffs” — the Republicans, congenitally inept to start with, end up being portrayed as even more oafish.

Not surprising then that progressive boosters feel the wind of inexorability to their backs. Red states, and cities, suggests Richard Florida are simply immature versions of blue state ones; progress means density, urbanity, apartment living and the decline of suburbs. Republicans, he argues, are “at odds with the very logic of urbanism and economic development.”

Yet I am not sure all trends are irredeemingly progressive. For one thing, there’s this little matter of economics. What Florida and the urban boosters often predict means something less progressive than feudalist. The Holy Places of urbanism such as NewYork, San Francisco, Washington DC also suffer some of the worst income inequality, and poverty, of any places in the country.

The now triumphant urban gentry have their townhouses and high-rise lofts, but the service workers who do their dirty work have to log their way by bus or car from the vast American banlieues, either in peripheral parts of the city (think of Brooklyn’s impoverished fringes) or the poorer close-in suburbs. This progressive economy works from the well-placed academics, the trustfunders and hedge funders, but produces little opportunity for a better life for the vast majority of the middle and working class.

this is certainly stuff which is worth discussing, but jesus, it's like being cornered by this face :smug at a party
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 28, 2012, 09:43:16 AM
it kind of reads like an Evilbore post.   :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
I just want to make it harder to abuse the filibuster. That being said I'm not concerned about the consequences of it being completely removed. People get the government they vote for, as Michigan is learning. A 51 majority would indeed lead to bad bills being passed, and I think that would benefit democracy more than obstruction. Voting would be more important to people if it constantly impacted their livlihood; now people only pay attention to major changes, like Obamacare or Bush's social security pivitization attempt.

It would also make vetoes more prominent
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
Replace "pay attention to" with "freak the fuck out about" and "major changes" to "perceived threats to old people's benefits" and I'm with you.

Personally, I'm at the point where I don't think any procedural change is going to have a very noticeable effect on the breadth or depth of political participation.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2012, 12:45:45 PM
The reason filibuster reform doesn't matter is that the House is currently controlled by a bunch of lunatics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 12:55:26 PM
Yup, freaked out indeed. It would be a disaster for many people...and convince them to get active for once. Initially I thought Snyder would get away with right-to-work but he's looking fucked right now. I think Scott Walker survived the recall because 1) people didn't like the concept of recalling him, even if they disliked him 2) Wisconsin's economy wasn't bad. Here the recall petitionion failed to get off the ground ages ago, but the economy is bad. If things improve...maybe voters will forgive him. If not then he's done.

That's how it should be. Presidents, governors etc  pushing through major changes, people deciding in mass whether they agree or not. Although I kind of wish governor and senate terms were four years instead of six
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 28, 2012, 01:15:24 PM
Then you'd probably have Secretary of State Susan Rice.

But you also might have had Supreme Court Justice Miguel Estrada and confirmed UN Ambassador John Bolton.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2012, 03:59:25 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/filibuster-reform-champions-say-democrats-have-51-votes
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 28, 2012, 04:05:37 PM
Oh, we've seen this before in the Senate. "I've got the votes" proclamation that actually never produces a proper vote.

A kin to the dreaded GM's 'vote of confidence' in a sports coach.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 04:07:51 PM
I'll believe it when it happens. Just watch, dems will be picked off by McCain's "bipartisan" solution. Remember the last McCain solution to the filibuster, the Gang Of 12? Thank the lord McCain saved us from from a future of court nominees being obstructed into oblivion!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2012, 06:31:18 PM
lol Fox News:

Quote
Bikers Turn Out to Protect Newtown Mourners from Left-Wing Westboro Cult

http://nation.foxnews.com/connecticut-elementary-school-shooting/2012/12/20/bikers-turn-out-protect-newtown-mourners-westboro-baptist-church
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 28, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
Hey man, Fred Phelps was in tight with Al Gore.

Quote
Phelps remained prominent in state and local politics, working for years as a major organizer for the state's Democratic Party. (He still calls himself a Democrat, refusing to change just because his party has.) In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore's first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore's Senate campaign at his home.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1999/03/man-who-loves-hate
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2012, 06:41:13 PM
The proof is OVERWHELMING.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 28, 2012, 06:45:06 PM
Yeah I used to get a lot of Republican chain e-mails back in the day and any time a Westboro protest took place, I got a bunch of "Fred Phelps is actually a Democrat!" stuff.  Not surprising Fox News would reach out to the chain e-mail set.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 06:54:33 PM
edit: fuck  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 28, 2012, 07:05:05 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 28, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
I don't watch TV channels often but I'm at my parent's house watching CNBC, Rick Santelli is nearly rabid dog crazy. Has cable news changed in the last few years?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 28, 2012, 10:41:24 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 28, 2012, 10:24:46 PM
I just realized something. There are a lot of people, some of whom hold elected office, who believe that raising the debt ceiling is exactly like requesting a credit line increase when you've maxed out a credit card.

Holy shit, it all makes sense now.
You just realized this?  Years and years of bad analogies about the world's largest economies debt being the same as a single household didn't drill this into your head?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2012, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: am nintenho on December 28, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
Rick Santelli is nearly rabid dog crazy. Has cable news changed in the last few years?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA

This was nearly four years ago.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 28, 2012, 10:53:40 PM
I'm pretty sure with minimal effort I could find no less than 50 (no exaggeration) editorials from the Wall Street Journal in the past say, 10 years, from people respected on the right that boil down to "when things were tight at my house, we cut back" in regards to a country of 300 million people that is the lynchpin of the world economy. 

Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 28, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
So in their minds, the Republican House members opposing an increase in the debt ceiling are like the responsible parents of a college student who refuse to bail their child out after said child maxes out his/her first credit card. Because there comes a time when someone has to say enough is enough, after all.

See, you've got it!  Just put a few folksy sayings in there and you're well on your way.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 28, 2012, 10:55:52 PM
Also mention something your grandfather said, because that's relevant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2012, 11:44:15 PM
"If I can't balance my check book every month, why can't the government?"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 28, 2012, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2012, 11:44:15 PM
"If I can't balance my check book every month, why can't the government?"
"First I have to get new brakes, and now I have to go to war with Germany?  Hopefully I get some overtime this week."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2012, 11:59:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 28, 2012, 10:53:40 PM
Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 28, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
So in their minds, the Republican House members opposing an increase in the debt ceiling are like the responsible parents of a college student who refuse to bail their child out after said child maxes out his/her first credit card. Because there comes a time when someone has to say enough is enough, after all.

See, you've got it!  Just put a few folksy sayings in there and you're well on your way.

And make sure to mention China at least three or four times, despite the fact that they own less than 10% of the federal government's total debt.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 29, 2012, 12:00:22 AM
"I hope my social security check came today."
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 29, 2012, 12:02:10 AM
I remember telling a friend that yes, people go into debt all the time for more money than they make all the time when he brought up credit card debt.  It's called a "mortgage".  I don't think he understood what I was getting at.

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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on December 29, 2012, 08:19:37 AM
Quote from: Steve Contra on December 28, 2012, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2012, 11:44:15 PM
"If I can't balance my check book every month, why can't the government?"
"First I have to get new brakes, and now I have to go to war with Germany?  Hopefully I get some overtime this week."

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2012, 06:55:31 PM
Obama officially reaches 51% as the final election results continue to come in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&f=true&noheader=true&gid=19

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 29, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2012, 06:55:31 PM
Obama officially reaches 51% as the final election results continue to come in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&f=true&noheader=true&gid=19

Interesting that most of the states that went for Romney saw an overall reduction in popular vote in 2012 vs. 2008.  Does this mean people were overall less enthusiastic for Romney than John McCain?  Is it maybe that in a lot of red states that the population may be stagnating or shrinking?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2012, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on December 29, 2012, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2012, 06:55:31 PM
Obama officially reaches 51% as the final election results continue to come in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&f=true&noheader=true&gid=19

Interesting that most of the states that went for Romney saw an overall reduction in popular vote in 2012 vs. 2008.  Does this mean people were overall less enthusiastic for Romney than John McCain?  Is it maybe that in a lot of red states that the population may be stagnating or shrinking?

I think so. Plus shifting demographics (fewer white people voting) and a smaller electorate; I think Romney did worse among nearly every demographic than McCain did. Truly a horrible candidate. Sure republicans were excited...but there weren't enough of them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2012, 08:24:29 PM
Well, state population shifts have tended to boost red states recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_Census#2012_election

And Romney did better in most demographics than McCain*: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/index.html#United-States

The boring answer is there's probably a lot of factors.  Swing states, where the campaigns focused their GOTV efforts, had higher turnouts.  The states with gay marriage ballot initiatives had higher turnout, and Colorado went nuts for weed.  Utah was up and Alaska down for obvious reasons.  etc.



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*Which should be obvious because McCain lost by twice the margin that Romney did.  C'mon man, think!
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2012, 11:04:32 PM
speaking of demographics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVWHVrDQFdo#!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2012, 11:06:03 PM
Why is there a cartoon of a black guy with DBZ hair spanking the brat from Rugrats?  I can't watch this.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 29, 2012, 11:09:32 PM
Yeah, that's as far as I got.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2012, 11:15:15 PM
I tried again.  When he said "race card" I thought he was saying "racecar."


"The Democrats have used Obama's ethnicity as a racecar, and they use this racecar like a credit card, and this credit card is way past its limit!"

:dizzy
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Republican have already done a pretty good job of raising the sexist card without much help from Democrats.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 29, 2012, 11:57:13 PM
Quote from: Mandark on December 29, 2012, 11:15:15 PM
I tried again.  When he said "race card" I thought he was saying "racecar."


"The Democrats have used Obama's ethnicity as a racecar, and they use this racecar like a credit card, and this credit card is way past its limit!"

:dizzy

It almost makes too much sense. Obama's policies are like a racecar in that they can only take left turns, and they send this country closer and closer towards a fiery explosion.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 30, 2012, 12:30:05 AM
lol, I thought that video was made by some random dude on the intranets. It was actually "professionally" done by PJ media. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2012, 12:39:52 AM
Wait, he has an audiobook called "Weapon of Ass Destruction"? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2012, 01:41:10 AM
So, apparently we're close to getting a deal done because the Republican know that they have zero leverage and have finally admitted it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 31, 2012, 02:30:54 AM
boo, go over dat cliff
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2012, 03:23:46 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2012, 01:41:10 AM
So, apparently we're close to getting a deal done because the Republican know that they have zero leverage and have finally admitted it.

That's just Senate republicans, though.  The negotiations currently happening are with Reid and McConnell.  Once they agree to something, it has to get enough support to pass the House, which is populated with wild eyed lunatics who think Red Dawn is real and that Obama is Satan.  Good luck with that, we're going over the cliff.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
Oh my, it seems the reason we haven't reached a deal yet is that Barrack Obama wants to take Social Security away from starving grannies and the Republicans are valiantly fighting to protect it!

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/instant-backstabbing/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 31, 2012, 11:29:18 AM
I think the only thing holding this deal back are those in the House that want to see Boehner embarrassed and dethroned. It's less about denying what Obama wants and more about gaining more control over the House.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 31, 2012, 01:41:56 PM
Anybody watching Obama's news conference?  The GAF thread is already unreadable and I'd like to know what they've come up with, if anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 31, 2012, 03:04:39 PM
Hilary :(
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/breaking-house-wont-vote-on-fiscal-cliff-deal?ref=fpa

Going over the cliff regardless- House has no plans to vote on anything passed by the Senate tonight, which means at midnight the Bush tax cuts come off the book and anything negotiated at that point is a pound of cure rather than an ounce of prevention, so to speak.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 31, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/breaking-house-wont-vote-on-fiscal-cliff-deal?ref=fpa

Going over the cliff regardless- House has no plans to vote on anything passed by the Senate tonight, which means at midnight the Bush tax cuts come off the book and anything negotiated at that point is a pound of cure rather than an ounce of prevention, so to speak.

It's cuz Nobama hurt their feelings.  :'( :'( :'(

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/31/16270289-obama-a-deal-is-in-sight-but-its-not-done
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 31, 2012, 05:54:30 PM
Jesus. How anyone can defend the house at this point is beyond me. Pure obstruction.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2012, 06:31:30 PM
The sad thing is that Democrats won more votes [1.4 million, to be exact] in the House than Republicans, but we still get at least two more years of Boehner and the TeaTard Jamboree.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 31, 2012, 06:36:24 PM
The big problem is that this deal involves talking and working with Democrats instead of trying to shove their Fox News by way of chain e-mail list of demands down their throats.  So they just want to show that they're willing to stand up for the little guy (ie, the Koch brothers) and not buy into the Socialist-Terrorist-Fascist-Communist line.  That and like what ToxicAdam says, trying to embarrass Boehner so he can step down and be replaced by Cantor.  Yes, I believe the House Republicans would be willing to throw the country under the bus to embarrass someone they don't like.  They've been doing it for over four years.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2012, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on December 31, 2012, 06:36:24 PM
The big problem is that this deal involves talking and working with Democrats instead of trying to shove their Fox News by way of chain e-mail list of demands down their throats.  So they just want to show that they're willing to stand up for the little guy (ie, the Koch brothers) and not buy into the Socialist-Terrorist-Fascist-Communist line.  That and like what ToxicAdam says, trying to embarrass Boehner so he can step down and be replaced by Cantor.  Yes, I believe the House Republicans would be willing to throw the country under the bus to embarrass someone they don't like.  They've been doing it for over four years.

Four years? Nah, they just took an 8 year break because someone they liked happen to hold the Presidency.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2012, 07:11:15 PM
Can't say I'm optimistic, given Obama's behavior. While I want to go over the cliff, I'm also worried about the House - what if they simply pass a tax cut on all income under 1mil, which past Jan 1st will be considered a tax cut? Meanwhile the senate passes the $250k threshold again, but Boehner refuses to adopt it on the floor and thus demands and higher rate - say, they settle on $500k. A firm president could probably get republicans to pass something, especially considering there will be fewer of them in the House starting tomorrow...but I now have little faith in Obama pulling that off.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 31, 2012, 09:12:05 PM
barf, they're going with this deal
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 31, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
Isn't there some rule against voting on budgets and things during a lame duck interval?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 31, 2012, 10:20:00 PM
The deal isn't really that bad.  No chained cpi?  Pretty nice.

I'm still not confident the House will pass anything, though.  Those people are functionally distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2013, 12:37:52 AM
Shit is DOA in the House

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/boehner-offers-no-commitment-on-white-house-senate?ref=fpb

WOLVERINES!  FIGHT DAT TYRANNY!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2013, 02:50:44 AM
Passed the senate 89-8
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/01/wonkbook-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-fiscal-cliff-deal/

some of the main stuff
Quote
— Tax rates will permanently rise to Clinton-era levels for families with income above $450,000 and individuals above $400,000. All income below the threshold will permanently be taxed at Bush-era rates.

— The tax on capital gains and dividends will be permanently set at 20 percent for those with income above the $450,000/$400,000 threshold. It will remain at 15 percent for everyone else. (Clinton-era rates were 20 percent for capital gains and taxed dividends as ordinary income, with a top rate of 39.6 percent.)

— The estate tax will be set at 40 percent for those at the $450,000/$400,000 threshold, with a $5 million exemption. That threshold will be indexed to inflation, as a concession to Republicans and some Democrats in rural areas like Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mt.).

— The sequester will be delayed for two months. Half of the delay will be offset by discretionary cuts, split between defense and non-defense. The other half will be offset by revenue raised by the voluntary transfer of traditional IRAs to Roth IRAs, which would tax retirement savings when they’re moved over.

— Federal unemployment insurance will be extended for another year, benefiting those unemployed for longer than 26 weeks. This $30 billion provision won’t be offset.

The tax changes net around 600B in tax revenue over 10 years. Time for the House to shitcan it and I ain't even mad :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2013, 03:32:26 AM
It's not really a bad deal, but the House is probably going to look like Lord of the Flies by the end of 2013.  I wonder if Boehner or Cantor will have the conch.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 01, 2013, 05:24:55 AM
Isn't the permanent rates on the capital gains/dividends a HUGE concession from the Dems?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2013, 08:20:40 AM
So are we off the cliff or what?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2013, 03:16:14 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on January 01, 2013, 08:20:40 AM
So are we off the cliff or what?

Technically yes.  The Bush tax cuts expired at midnight last night. 

Also! 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/house_gop_balking_on_fiscal_cliff_deal.php?ref=fpblg

A mass of wingnuts appears!  They use shove their heads up their own asses!  It's wildly effective!

Nothing will happen until the markets crash. 
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 01, 2013, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2012, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 31, 2012, 05:09:09 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/breaking-house-wont-vote-on-fiscal-cliff-deal?ref=fpa

Going over the cliff regardless- House has no plans to vote on anything passed by the Senate tonight, which means at midnight the Bush tax cuts come off the book and anything negotiated at that point is a pound of cure rather than an ounce of prevention, so to speak.

It's cuz Nobama hurt their feelings.  :'( :'( :'(

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/31/16270289-obama-a-deal-is-in-sight-but-its-not-done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-6k7X4lJOQ
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2013, 04:31:39 PM
House is killing the deal :rofl

time to introduce the Obama Tax Cuts For America.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2013, 08:28:43 PM
Drudge front page  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 01, 2013, 08:32:55 PM
So, looks like its actually passing.  That's cool I guess.  Another feather in Obama's cap.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2013, 10:36:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xDmXF.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 01, 2013, 10:51:45 PM
jesus, how does drudge get away with the absolute BULLSHIT LIES he's spewing at the top of his page?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2013, 10:53:03 PM
 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge

Quote from: BrandNew on January 01, 2013, 10:51:45 PM
jesus, how does drudge get away with the absolute BULLSHIT LIES he's spewing at the top of his page?

 :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 01, 2013, 10:56:16 PM
Has Drudge come out of the closet yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 01, 2013, 11:04:14 PM
lol PD, did you think it wasn't going to pass?  it passed EASILY

wrong since 2007
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2013, 11:07:22 PM
Does everyone hate it yet?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 01, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
I would have rather gone over the "cliff" but this isn't bad.  capital gains shit though is turrible
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2013, 11:32:18 PM
I honestly thought there would have to be a day or two of markets tanking and the Chamber of Commerce screaming at the house GOP to get it passed. 

:lol @ Boehner voting for it and Cantor against, though.  DRAMA.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 01, 2013, 11:39:25 PM
Meanwhile the House is refusing to pass Sandy relief tonight lmao. These fucking idiots
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 01, 2013, 11:50:26 PM
nuke the house
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on January 02, 2013, 12:22:23 AM
Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 01, 2013, 11:32:18 PM
I honestly thought there would have to be a day or two of markets tanking and the Chamber of Commerce screaming at the house GOP to get it passed. 

:lol @ Boehner voting for it and Cantor against, though.  DRAMA.

Someone's sleeping on the couch tonight!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2013, 01:07:09 AM
According to Hannity and his 2 black conservatives tonight, Obama is the real racist and racism comes from the top down.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 02, 2013, 01:18:11 AM
Holy shit :lol :lol

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It was only a few days before the nation would go over the fiscal cliff, no bipartisan agreement was in sight, and Reid had just publicly accused Boehner of running a “dictatorship” in the House and caring more about holding onto his gavel than striking a deal.

“Go f— yourself,” Boehner sniped as he pointed his finger at Reid, according to multiple sources present.

Reid, a bit startled, replied: “What are you talking about?”

Boehner repeated: “Go f— yourself.”

The harsh exchange just a few steps from the Oval Office — which Boehner later bragged about to fellow Republicans — was only one episode in nearly two months of high-stakes negotiations laced with distrust, miscommunication, false starts and yelling matches as Washington struggled to ward off $500 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/the-fiscal-cliff-deal-that-almost-wasnt-85663.html#ixzz2GnQrwylz
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 01:23:13 AM
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By early December, with talks barely moving, Obama was using his bully pulpit to win the public opinion fight, holding campaign-style events in key states and aggravating Republicans. Privately, he began calling moderate Republican senators he kept on a list in an effort aimed at raising pressure on their leaders.

Republicans began to fret about losing the P.R. fight. In a closed-door meeting, some GOP House lawmakers suggested that each member kick in $5,000 to hire a big Madison Avenue advertising firm to craft a communications strategy for them. But Boehner and other party leaders quickly shot down the idea.

I guess they wanted to call the Mad Men geniuses that created Romney's ads. What a fucking joke  :lol
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In a phone call Dec. 21, Boehner told Obama that his game plan all along was to pass the bill setting the $1 million threshold, send it to the Senate to drop it down to $500,000 or so, and ship it back to the House for approval.

Obama, perplexed by the secret strategy, asked Boehner if he had shared it with Reid or House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), suggesting that they might have helped him. Boehner said he had not.

We often talk about Boehner having to pretend to be insane to appease his caucus, but I honestly thought he was being serious with the 1mil demand; instead he was using it to get a deal similar to what passed tonight.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2013, 09:15:42 AM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 30, 2012, 03:51:36 PM
I can't even stomach any of these fiscal cliff stories. It's just like the NFL contract negotiations, you know they are going to reach a deal, but they have to put on this distinguished mentally-challenged show until they reach the final hour. So they can feel like they are doing 'important work' and suck up as much prime time television as possible in the process.

Boy, what a 'shocking' conclusion. Who didn't see this coming?

Quote from: Mandark on November 30, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
Huh. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we got to January 1st without a deal in place.

Oh. :teehee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 02, 2013, 09:24:42 AM
Erm, we did get to Jan 1st without a deal in place.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 02, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
annihilated
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 02, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
Yeah, but you didn't know what hour the vote would take place. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
Technicalities. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 02, 2013, 09:37:21 AM
The Gregorian calendar has a known liberal bias.

Though if you really want to zing me for a bad prediction (and isn't this something you get all huffy about when I do it), I was dead wrong on another aspect of the negotiations.  Which aspect?  I leave this as an exercise for the reader.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 02, 2013, 10:34:04 AM
Isn't payroll tax going up for everybody? That... sucks.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2013, 10:44:57 AM
It isn't going up, it's returning to where it should've been the whole time.  :P

If you make 50k/yr it means an extra 20 bucks a week.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2013, 02:14:55 PM
Any thoughts on how soon fox news will slam Obama's tax cuts for driving up the deficit?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 02, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Like 2 hours ago?  Look at the front page.

Christie is fisting the house republicans right now.  They're in big trouble.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2013, 02:37:15 PM
 :lol I'm not going over to their site. Every time I  go to that site, republican jesus kills an entitlement.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2013, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2013, 02:18:26 PM
Like 2 hours ago?  Look at the front page.

Christie is fisting the house republicans right now.  They're in big trouble.

Peter King was on Fox News going apeshit earlier also.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2013, 02:56:01 PM
Evidently, Andrew Sullivan is moving his blog behind a $20/yr paywall. Strange for a person that doesn't really provide much original content (aside from his own opinion).

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 03:55:15 PM
Rumors swirling that Boehner may resign tonight at the GOP caucus meeting
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2013, 04:50:17 PM
That would be huge. I hope he throws the tea party under the bus on the way out.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 02, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
The Republicans did some great soul searching these past few months.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 02, 2013, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2013, 02:56:01 PM
Evidently, Andrew Sullivan is moving his blog behind a $20/yr paywall. Strange for a person that doesn't really provide much original content (aside from his own opinion).

honestly, good riddance at this point

his histrionics have been really unbearable recently
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
$20/yr for Trigg Palin birtherism?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 02, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 03:55:15 PM
Rumors swirling that Boehner may resign tonight at the GOP caucus meeting

Oh boy. That means an even more crazy and hardline nut in charge.  ::)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 02, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
The Republicans did some great soul searching these past few months.

They searched and searched, but they didn't find anything.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 02, 2013, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2013, 02:56:01 PM
Evidently, Andrew Sullivan is moving his blog behind a $20/yr paywall. Strange for a person that doesn't really provide much original content (aside from his own opinion).

honestly, good riddance at this point

his histrionics have been really unbearable recently

co

signed
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 02, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 03:55:15 PM
Rumors swirling that Boehner may resign tonight at the GOP caucus meeting

Did those rumors have any semblance of credibility, or was it just random liberal hopes and dreams?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 11:45:38 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 02, 2013, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2013, 03:55:15 PM
Rumors swirling that Boehner may resign tonight at the GOP caucus meeting

Did those rumors have any semblance of credibility, or was it just random liberal hopes and dreams?

Well he didn't resign tonight. The voting is tomorrow so we'll see who wins. Between the fiscal deal farce and him blowing up Sandy relief last night out of spite, it seems like he's doing a good job of pissing his caucus off
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on January 03, 2013, 04:56:37 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 02, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
The Republicans did some great soul searching these past few months.

They searched and searched, but they didn't find anything.

 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 03, 2013, 05:33:14 AM
Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 02, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2013, 04:51:49 PM
The Republicans did some great soul searching these past few months.

They searched and searched, but they didn't find anything.

I'm sure everyone's already seen this but when has that ever stopped me: Romney Spends $600 Million On Top-Tier 'Soul Searching' Team (http://www.theonion.com/video/romney-spends-600-million-on-toptier-soul-searchin,30441/)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2013, 10:50:22 AM
New jobs:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/adp-report-215-000-new-jobs-in-december
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 03, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEu40xl7oCY

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 03, 2013, 11:23:56 PM
Straight pimpin'.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2013, 11:39:14 PM
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/a-new-congress/1-289003?ref=fpblg
 :drool
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 03, 2013, 11:40:30 PM
She came to my office and I shook her hand.  :)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2013, 09:51:49 AM
Haha, I guess it's not too surprising that Boehner retained the Speaker position when you consider that this was what he was up against:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/conservatives-rebel-against-boehner-85749.html?ml=po_r

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Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kan.) — who was recently removed from key committees and supported Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) for speaker — sat on the House floor during the speaker vote brandishing an iPad. A message was displayed on the screen ticking off members of the House Republican Conference he hoped would oppose the sitting speaker. The title of the document: “You would be fired if this goes out.”

Among the Republicans on the list were Reps. Steve King (Iowa), Cynthia Lummis (Wyo.), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Scott Garrett (N.J.), Steve Fincher (Tenn.) and Scott Desjarlais (Tenn.). All of them ultimately supported Boehner.

In the end, nine Republicans abandoned the Ohio Republican’s bid for a second term as speaker, and cast votes for people as varied as a former member of Congress who lost his reelection bid in November [Allen West] and a 1990s-era U.S. comptroller general who appears on cable television.

(http://images.politico.com/global/2013/01/03/ipad_list_photo_jw_6051.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 04, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
It's just the 2% of your Social Security deduction added back. You don't want to short yourself. It was a bad "tax cut" to begin with.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 04, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch
I know that feel, bro. 

I don't really care though.  I wasn't a big fan of the tax cut anyways.  Seemed to do very little as far as economic stimulus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch

I'm fine with it. Gotta pay for shit, yo.
Title: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 04, 2013, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch

I'm fine with it. Gotta pay for shit, yo.

What, like Michelle Obama's multimillion lavish vacations?  Fuck that, this is bullshit!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 04, 2013, 02:45:37 PM
Quote from: The Experiment on January 04, 2013, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch

I'm fine with it. Gotta pay for shit, yo.

What, like Michelle Obama's multimillion lavish vacations?  Fuck that, this is bullshit!
More like multi-billion

http://minnesotaindependent.com/73801/using-inflated-figure-bachmann-calls-obamas-india-trip-over-the-top-spending (http://minnesotaindependent.com/73801/using-inflated-figure-bachmann-calls-obamas-india-trip-over-the-top-spending)

(This may have been my favorite part of the whole Tea Party movement)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 04, 2013, 02:58:40 PM
that deadbeat can fly coach like the rest of america!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
I read it in a chain email and it sounded legit to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 04, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 04, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch

I'm fine with it. Gotta pay for shit, yo.

yup.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 04, 2013, 10:22:34 PM
Quote from: Mupepe on January 04, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 04, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Hooray, 120 bucks less a month due to this payroll tax increase.  :punch
I know that feel, bro. 

I don't really care though.  I wasn't a big fan of the tax cut anyways.  Seemed to do very little as far as economic stimulus.

I agree it was iffy policy, but it is probably good for half a point of GDP
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 04, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/04/bachmann-introduces-first-bill-in-113th-congress-to-repeal-obamacare/

The new Congress is already hard at work! :rock
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 05, 2013, 02:01:44 AM
I don't mind the payroll tax expiring either, but it seems a lot of people on the left (including Krugman) have said keeping it would have been one of the best forms of stimulus.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 05, 2013, 02:05:56 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 04, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
It's just the 2% of your Social Security deduction added back. You don't want to short yourself. It was a bad "tax cut" to begin with.

In that case... it's not so bad. I was getting a more conflicting message from the "fiscal conservatives" I know. Still, would rather have the cash now (as I really really really need to save money) than later.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2013, 04:19:30 AM
Well, that 2% was still being credited to your SS benefit calculations (and the SS trust fund, IIRC), so it's not like you were borrowing against the future.

It's just a temporary tax cut that was passed for a year, extended for a year, and then not extended this time.  So it's not a tax hike compared to what you've been paying for most of your life, or what you'd normally expect, but it is more than you paid the last couple years.

And yeah, I'm agin' it.  Contractionary policy is contractionary.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 05, 2013, 11:32:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1DgYMYVaUE
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 05, 2013, 07:09:26 PM
Obama can still say he never raised taxes on the middle class.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 05, 2013, 09:01:09 PM
Whatever people will lose in income from the payroll tax rate, they have more than made up for it in a myriad of other tax reliefs that have been passed over the years. Child care, EITC, child credit, tuition reimbursement and on and on.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/30/us/tax-burden.html?ref=us


Everything should be rolled back to 1996. I still don't understand why capital gains taxes remain so low. That should be the fight that Democrats take on. I guess they love that Wall Street money also.



Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 05, 2013, 09:30:08 PM
My dad tried to explain why a reduced capital gains tax made perfect sense for high income individuals

I wtf'd
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 05, 2013, 09:37:14 PM
your basic "they deserve that money, it shouldn't go to the gubmint and filthy poors" etc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 06, 2013, 02:41:27 AM
I think the typical econ argument is that investment drives growth in the long term, and people are very risk averse when it comes to their money, so taxing capital at a lower rate would mean more wealth in general.  People don't risk their own money when they sell their labor, the demand for investments are much more elastic, etc.

You can illustrate this through a model, if you make certain assumptions (like how to mathematically represent the utility of wealth), and it's treated as proven by some folks who are inclined to believe that sort of conclusion.  It's probably not complete bullshit, but in the context of the US political economy, the side effects being discussed are pretty weak and unimportant compared to what the policy's actually trying to achieve.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 06, 2013, 12:17:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KxVjt.jpg)

:usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 06, 2013, 12:26:39 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 06, 2013, 12:59:54 PM
 :rofl

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“Angela, I need to know, are you committed to being my porn star?

“I do not want to hear ‘no’ or ‘we’ll see about that.’ I want my fantasies to be with you. God has authorized you and you only as my partner for intimacy and that is what I want.”

- Allen West
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2013, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 06, 2013, 12:59:54 PM
:rofl

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“Angela, I need to know, are you committed to being my porn star?

“I do not want to hear ‘no’ or ‘we’ll see about that.’ I want my fantasies to be with you. God has authorized you and you only as my partner for intimacy and that is what I want.”

- Allen West

(http://i.imgur.com/pRiMy.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 06, 2013, 12:17:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KxVjt.jpg)

:usacry

The sign ruins it. The point is quite obvious without that part, which ruins the serious nature of this piece
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 06, 2013, 07:14:44 PM
Daily Kos wishes they were funny enough to have drawn that. :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 07, 2013, 11:38:19 AM
Today in 'no fucking shit'

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/07/the_conservative_movement_is_still_an_elaborate_moneymaking_venture/

Brandnew should show this to his dad even though his dad probably wouldn't believe it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2013, 11:56:56 AM
I know that article really isn't saying anything that everybody didn't already know [or at least suspect], but that doesn't make it any less cringe-worthy/horrifying.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2013, 12:22:57 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/palazzo-sandy-katrina-fema.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

How about this guy, begging for Katrina relief, but then when the Sandy relief package is on the table, he's all like :smug with his Blagojevich hair.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 04:06:04 PM
Thoughts on Hagel? In the general, limited familiarity I have with him I like the choice. Still, I'm curious about his views on drones, which I haven't seen any discussion of from him. During the Bush years I always enjoyed seeing him rip the bark off some of the most vapid conservative talking points. Given the role reversal we've seen recently as neoconservatives have been brushed to the side, it's almost easy to forget how Iraq war criticism was labeled treasonous by republicans, even after the American people solidly moved against the war.

Seems to me there should be more drama and talk over the Brennan nomination, but alas no one ever talks about the drone war
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 07, 2013, 04:11:43 PM
He's realistic about Iran and doesn't fellate AIPAC. Seems fine to me.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 07, 2013, 04:25:15 PM
He favored direct talks with Iran over sanctions, thinks there's room to cut military spending, and has been somewhat critical (by American political standards) of the Israel lobby, which is what's getting him heat now.  On the other hand he never voted against military action while in the Senate and supported John Bolton for US ambassador.  Glenn Greenwald might be rushing to praise him, but Hagel's no Andrew Bacevich.

The Israel/Iran stuff isn't an area where he'd have a ton of influence as Secretary of Defense, as far as I know.  I'm not sure how he'd manage a bureaucracy, what the main goal would be at the DoD the next four years, or even what the responsibilities and influence of the SecDef is vs. the Joint Chiefs.

Seems alright I guess?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
Hagel routinely dressed as other members of Congress on Halloween:

http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/chuck-hagel/1-289155
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/chuck-hagel/1-289163
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/chuck-hagel/1-289164
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 04:48:07 PM
I remember hearing his "Jewish lobby" comment a few years ago and chuckling. One of those things you're not supposed to say out loud, even if it's true. Nothing in those comments suggests he'll treat Israel any differently or not be concerned about their safety...it was moreso a welcome admission that the US should put its best interest and safety ahead of other countries, including Israel. The dust up over Obama's 1967 lines/land swaps comments was especially pathetic; you don't often see members of a president's party throw him under the bus over a distortion.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 07, 2013, 11:43:53 PM
Even if Hagel is more outspoken of Israel than most people, will he actually have much influence? He would be acting in whatever Obama makes him.

I mean, I could be wrong about that, but that's how I thought it works with members of the president's cabinet.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2013, 11:49:24 PM
He won't be doing much of anything in relation to Israel; if he were nominated for Sec of State this would make a bit more sense to me, considering he'd be dealing with the Israelis often.

Jennifer Rubin was going insane on twitter today. Full blown "any criticism of Israel=anti-Semite" shit
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 08, 2013, 10:43:49 AM
While Israel isn't necessarily in DoD's general purview - I'm sure Defense would have a pretty big say in giving a thumbs up/down to a potential Israeli strike on Iran
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 08, 2013, 12:56:08 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/07/rep-grayson-mocks-bath-salts-caucus-for-voting-against-sandy-relief/

Quote
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) on Monday mocked the 67 House Republicans who voted against disaster relief funds for the victims of Hurricane Sandy.

“It’s the same 67 over and over again,” he noted on The Stephanie Miller Show. “It’s the bath salts caucus, the people that would rather eat your face than cut taxes on the rich.”

 :lol Glad he's back.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2013, 02:45:47 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/09/dick-armey-on-why-he-gave-that-interview-to-media-matters/

LAWL, Dick Armey thought he was talking to Media Research Center (http://www.mrc.org/) when he gave that interview to Media Matters last week.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2013, 04:40:14 PM
I guess the implication is that he thought the right-leaning Media Research Center would help him spin all that stuff he said and/or cover it up? :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2013, 06:02:11 PM
Meh, that sounds like a "I said blah people" excuse.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 10, 2013, 01:32:58 AM
Quote from: El Rushbo
Think of the debt limit as your monthly credit card limit. You can't go over it on your credit card and the United States government can't spend more than what its credit limit is or its debt limit. Now, Ali Velshi at CNN says that has no relation to spending.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/01/08/cnns-velshi-calls-out-rush-limbaugh-lectures-him-debt-ceiling#ixzz2HYGGmRbs (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/01/08/cnns-velshi-calls-out-rush-limbaugh-lectures-him-debt-ceiling#ixzz2HYGGmRbs)

Take that libruls and Ali Velshi. :smug

The comments are great too, btw.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2013, 01:38:05 AM
Jesus fucking Christ, the debt ceiling shit is going to be the end of me.  It's not like your fucking credit card limit, IT'S YOUR FUCKING CREDIT CARD BILL.  YOU'VE ALREADY PUT ALL THIS SHIT ON YOUR CARD, FUCKING PAY FOR IT ASSHOLES.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2013, 03:10:33 PM
I didn't realize until this year that it's the right of the minority party in the Senate to choose the opposition President's cabinet. The more you know!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 10, 2013, 06:42:57 PM
Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Found this from my friend on FB:

Quote
So never owned a gun in my life, but became a member of the NRA today. I'm not very politically active but some times it's important to get involved when your rights are being infringed upon. That's my two cents.

I found out a few months ago that he's a tea bagger, which is really both a shame and shocking since he is one of the nicest people I've ever met.

Le sigh. :/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2013, 06:56:51 PM
"i dont really give a shit about how people didnt have medical coverage or how they cant get livable wages or any of the other massive inequalities in our country, but when they came for my guns that i dont even own THATS WHEN I GET PISSED"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
Hmm...yeah, I really need to get out there and buy a gun before Obama starts taking them all away, you know make me feel like I'm getting the full American experience.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Yeti on January 11, 2013, 12:59:09 AM
Obama needs to threaten to take more things away, really kick this economy into high gear.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2013, 09:36:33 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac,30860/

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“After seeing yet another deranged gorilla just burst into a public place and start killing people, I decided I need to make sure something like that never happens to me,” said 34-year-old Atlanta resident Nick Keller, shortly after purchasing a 350-pound mountain gorilla from his local gorilla store. “It just gives me peace of mind knowing that if I’m ever in that situation, I won’t have to just watch helplessly as my torso is ripped in half and my face is chewed off. I’ll be able to use my gorilla to defend myself.”

“Law enforcement and animal control can only get there so quickly,” Keller added. “And you never know when you’ll need to use a gorilla to save your life.”
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 11, 2013, 09:41:15 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 13, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote
     Former Senator Jim DeMint, the new president of the conservative Heritage Foundation, has decried Obamacare as “a cancer” that is “is fundamentally inconsistent with liberty.” During the Senate Obamacare fight, DeMint famously declared “If we’re able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”

    But a new report from DeMint’s own organization suggests that, far from being incompatible with freedom, countries with health care systems with as much or significantly more government control over healthcare are the freest countries in the world.

    The report in question is Heritage’s Economic Freedom Index, released annually since 1997. The report defines the concept of “economic freedom” in misleading right-wing terms, but even by those standards, it appears that universal health care systems far more expansive than Obamacare aren’t “fundamentally inconsistent with liberty.” In fact, the ten “freest” economies in 2013 by Heritage’s lights range from mandating individuals save a certain amount of money for health care to almost the entire health care system, including hospitals, being owned and operated by the government:

The countries they listed were:

1. Hong Kong
2. Singapore
3. Australia
4. New Zealand
5. Switzerland
6. Canada
7. Chile
8. Mauritius
9. Denmark


The U.S. under Obama's oppressive socialist regime comes in at a fairly distant no. 10. If only Obama would learn more from one of the paragons of right wing governments, like Canada.

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2013/01/heritage-releases-report-that-shows.html

Proving yet again that Obama is the weirdest socialist dictator in the history of despotism.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 13, 2013, 04:29:51 PM
The health care thing is so baffling because I never really knew of anyone who didn't bitch about their health insurance not being there when they needed it.

Case in point: my semi retired mother who just spent $3,000 on dental work to find out that her dental insurance didn't cover a cent of it.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 14, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
get a 3.5% raise
take home $10 less

THANKS OBAMA
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 14, 2013, 10:36:35 AM
get a 3.5% raise
take home $10 less

THANKS OBAMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeJ1UqnHsvU#t=1m46s
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 14, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bdgZa.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
What :rofl
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 14, 2013, 02:24:01 PM
It's from the WSJ so you know it's extra serious!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 02:25:24 PM
I love the tired, haggard looks on the single mom and her two rugrats. It's like Obama just called to tell them their dog got run over by the presidential limo. :lol

That single Asian woman is as cool as a cucumber, though.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 14, 2013, 02:43:06 PM
Look at those non-working black people. 'Retired' is just an easy excuse.

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 03:03:30 PM
Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 14, 2013, 02:43:06 PM
Look at those non-working black people. 'Retired' is just an easy excuse.

If I could pull down 180k a year while being "retired," I sure as hell would.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 14, 2013, 03:18:11 PM
mo money
mo problems

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 14, 2013, 03:31:03 PM
poor single mom raising a family on only $260k a year

also, if me and my wife were bringing home $650k a year, I'd be so busy bathing in champagne I wouldn't have time to read my tax returns
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 14, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
nm
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2013, 06:24:43 PM
Well, now them kids ain't gonna get a 4th iPad. Thanks alot, OBOMBA!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 14, 2013, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: Oblivion on January 14, 2013, 02:03:10 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bdgZa.jpg)
What the fuck is this.  WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 14, 2013, 07:26:26 PM
Accompanied an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, I think.

Reminds me of an anecdote from a sports beat writer where a player on the local NBA team asked him how much he made working for the paper, and guessed it was in the neighborhood of $150k.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 14, 2013, 07:29:16 PM
Obama's America is one where newspapers are free to make charts that assume the average working mom is making 260,000 a year.  Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 14, 2013, 07:44:07 PM
Obama's America is also a place where normal people make a second salary on investment income.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 14, 2013, 07:49:20 PM
Also someone please make the black guy in the pink shirt and jaunty sweater pd's avatar.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 14, 2013, 07:44:07 PM
Obama's America is also a place where normal people make a second salary on investment income.

A single mom making $35,000 a year in investment income. :lol

Most single moms don't make $35,000 a year in total!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 14, 2013, 08:45:33 PM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 14, 2013, 07:44:07 PM
Obama's America is also a place where normal people make a second salary on investment income.

A single mom making $35,000 a year in investment income. :lol

Most single moms don't make $35,000 a year in total!

I posted it on Twitter and someone responded with:

"single parent, two children. real average income for a person in that situation: $19,372."

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2013, 09:02:23 PM
http://www.nysun.com/editorials/lower-the-debt-ceiling/88151/
(http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/troll.png)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on January 14, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
Why does the retired couple look so depressed when their tax isn't changing?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pickle on January 14, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
Why does the retired couple look so depressed when their tax isn't changing?

You see how much their pulling down? 180k a year. How are they supposed to afford basic cable and a weekly dinner at Cracker Barrel on that paltry sum?!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2013, 06:10:50 AM
As somebody else mentioned, those WSJ numbers actually seem realistic if you divide the incomes by 10.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2013, 09:18:02 AM
But that would ruin the narrative.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 15, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pickle on January 14, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
Why does the retired couple look so depressed when their tax isn't changing?

You see how much their pulling down? 180k a year. How are they supposed to afford basic cable and a weekly dinner at Cracker Barrel on that paltry sum?!

Where I live, a family making 180k a year isn't anything that exorbitant.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: tiesto on January 15, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pickle on January 14, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
Why does the retired couple look so depressed when their tax isn't changing?

You see how much their pulling down? 180k a year. How are they supposed to afford basic cable and a weekly dinner at Cracker Barrel on that paltry sum?!

Where I live, a family making 180k a year isn't anything that exorbitant.

Living in New York is a choice you make that costs money, not an exogenous parameter which affects your real income.  It's like saying someone's not really rich cause all their money got spent on a huge house, new cars, private school for the kids, a housekeeping staff, etc.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
180k is still comfy living in NY, or LI at least. Even if it isn't rich per se
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 15, 2013, 10:59:04 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
It's like saying someone's not really rich cause all their money got spent on a huge house, new cars, private school for the kids, a housekeeping staff, etc.

Last year a Toronto magazine did a feature that was basically that.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Boogie on January 15, 2013, 11:05:24 AM
Ah yes,here it is.

 http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/from-print-edition-informer/2012/02/15/almost-rich/

http://m.gawker.com/5885705/the-top-1-must-stop-insisting-theyre-not-rich-right-this-instant

Now, to be fair, that article doesn't profile any households that top 200k, but still.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 15, 2013, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: tiesto on January 15, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
Quote from: pickle on January 14, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
Why does the retired couple look so depressed when their tax isn't changing?

You see how much their pulling down? 180k a year. How are they supposed to afford basic cable and a weekly dinner at Cracker Barrel on that paltry sum?!

Where I live, a family making 180k a year isn't anything that exorbitant.

Living in New York is a choice you make that costs money, not an exogenous parameter which affects your real income.  It's like saying someone's not really rich cause all their money got spent on a huge house, new cars, private school for the kids, a housekeeping staff, etc.

Changing where a person lives is a pretty big thing for a lot of people, especially myself as I grew up in NY and my family, friends, etc. are all here. If I were to move anywhere, it'd have to be somewhere near a huge city (aka, pricey no matter where you go)... I would definitely not fit in the South/Middle America religiously and politically for example. Nor will my interests be catered to (I don't think Kansas would be a hotbed of Ethiopian or Indian food, or would get lots of touring EDM DJs, correct me if I'm wrong though)

If the companies out here paid you more, the higher COL wouldn't be a big deal, but most don't pay much more than average. My company is all over the states and I think their LI salaries are only on average $10k higher a year than their employees in northern Florida or Iowa.

Not to mention, the COL has soared in the last 20-30 years here. LI wasn't always this expensive, my dad bought a new-construction 3 bedroom house in the late 70's for $65k on a teacher's salary. That house is worth about $500k now (new-construction here is ONLY mcmansions and they are at least $750k), and I don't think teacher's salaries have increased enough to cover the change. Property taxes here are also exorbitant - I am lucky I bought in a community that grieved taxes for years and have some of the lowest on the island, but my mom is paying $12k/year if not more. It's just getting to a point where the middle class have no option other than leave for North Carolina or something (which I would NEVER be able to live in, I'd never fit in there and there would be nothing for me to do). Leaving only the retired people who paid off their mortgage before the COL raised (like my mom), the uber-rich, and the poor immigrant workers living in the ghettos (yes there are ghettos on LI) to serve them.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2013, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
180k is still comfy living in NY, or LI at least. Even if it isn't rich per se

this makes me a sad panda that sounds so rich to me  :-\
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
If you don't want to live an hour and a half away from the city or in a slum you are looking at $300k+ for your house and $8k+ in property taxes



Or you are like me and make well above the median, but not $180k, and want to live in a good zip code, so you live in a condo
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2013, 11:49:21 AM
thank god I don't live in new york
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
P.S. my condo was well over $200,000
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
Seeing people driven out by gentrification and ramped up CoL always sucks.

But all those reasons you listed as why you don't want to leave NY?  That's what you're getting for your money!  I'm not saying it doesn't cost, just that it's a way to spend money, even if it's a big decision and not as tangible as other things.

Plus, if you just want to be "near" a big city with ethnic restaurants, you'll find places where $180k will let you live quite well.  It's not always a choice between New York and Tobacco Road.



PS The $180k is the income of the retired couple in the picture, who probably have ~$750 savings, going by that investment income.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 15, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
I don't understand how english majors live in manhatten (some of my friends)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
They're secret prostitutes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 15, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2013, 11:51:48 AM
P.S. my condo was well over $200,000

I live in a condo (I paid $335,000 for it, but got it for a steal due to some very special circumstances) - in an awesome area with a top-tier school (Mick Foley graduated from there :lol), but it's still about 55 miles to midtown Manhattan. Surprisingly, there's not much condo development on the island (as most of it was built up before condos became a big thing, during a time when the nuclear family was much more common, and people who wanted to leave the city and have single family homes), so condo prices are a bit higher than usual. There's no way I'd be able to afford a house on a single-income. Nor would I want one!

Viscen, where is your condo? I probably looked there! I looked all over the island for one before settling in Setauket.

Guess I just need to marry a girl with a high-paying job :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2013, 12:02:17 PM
Quote from: Mandark on January 15, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
They're secret prostitutes.

So is that single mom.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on January 15, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
Port Washington
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 15, 2013, 12:27:24 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
I don't understand how english majors live in manhatten (some of my friends)

Supplemented income and living in bed-stuy/Harlem with 6 other roommates.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2013, 12:30:14 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
I don't understand how english majors live in manhatten (some of my friends)

You can make a grand day pretending to be homeless in NY!
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 15, 2013, 12:56:51 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 15, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
I don't understand how english majors live in manhatten (some of my friends)

backpage.com
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/doma-republicans_n_2479666.html?1358266478

It's time to make some tough decisions on cutting entitlements, but no cuts shall be made to the Defense of the Defense of Marriage Act. It costs a lot of money to keep gays in their place, these days.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2013, 01:53:28 PM
Domasses
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2013, 12:26:18 PM
23 executive actions:

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obamas-23-planned-executive-actions-on-guns?ref=fpblg
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

Today is the day that freedom died. :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 16, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
my god, there are way too many gun morons on gaf
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 16, 2013, 01:49:19 PM
Maybe they should leave automatic weapons laying around schoolyards, (but have tracking devices on them) so we can catch the killers. :teehee

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 16, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: BrandNew on January 16, 2013, 01:34:40 PM
my god, there are way too many gun morons on gaf

My facebook is a nightmare of pro-second-amendment image macros.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 16, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
And yet, not a single gun was taken from anyone. :usa
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 16, 2013, 02:35:32 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 16, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
And yet, not a single gun was taken from anyone. :usa

YET.

 :usacry
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
The executive orders are no longer highlighted on Drudge lol. They're so common sense and..non threatening. And yet rather effective. Especially:

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

The NRA’s war on gun science
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_nras_war_on_gun_science/

(fascinating article)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 16, 2013, 03:05:14 PM
Can I just say that I think anyone who believes Obama is going to take their guns is a fucking idiot and shouldn't be offended when they're called a hillbilly?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: tiesto on January 16, 2013, 03:08:20 PM
Can't say hillbilly as most of the people I know that are bitching are urbanized NYers freaking out about Cuomo's new law.

I'm sick of the debate, I'm going to sleep. Wake me up when the government is knocking at my door with their tanks and drones following them ready to throw me into a FEMA rape camp.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 16, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 16, 2013, 03:08:20 PM


I'm sick of the debate, I'm going to sleep. Wake me up when the government is knocking at my door with their tanks and drones following them ready to throw me into a FEMA rape camp.
The Day After Inauguration
A New Glenn Beck Thriller
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2013, 03:13:16 PM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 16, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
And yet, not a single gun was taken from anyone. :usa

And not a single gun was given this day.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 16, 2013, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 16, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 16, 2013, 03:08:20 PM


I'm sick of the debate, I'm going to sleep. Wake me up when the government is knocking at my door with their tanks and drones following them ready to throw me into a FEMA rape camp.
The Day After Inauguration
A New Glenn Beck Thriller

hilariously enough, Agenda 21 is the Kindle Deal of the Day

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 16, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Eric P on January 16, 2013, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 16, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Quote from: tiesto on January 16, 2013, 03:08:20 PM


I'm sick of the debate, I'm going to sleep. Wake me up when the government is knocking at my door with their tanks and drones following them ready to throw me into a FEMA rape camp.
The Day After Inauguration
A New Glenn Beck Thriller

hilariously enough, Agenda 21 is the Kindle Deal of the Day
We need to add that to the Bore book club.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 17, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html)

34% of Americans are dumb.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2013, 05:36:35 PM
Maddow gets it
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maddow-nra-ad-attacking-obama-is-latest-example-of-right-wing-media-trolling/
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2013, 05:42:16 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 17, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html)

34% of Americans are dumb.

That's hardly surprising, right-wing chatterboxes and politicians have been feeding them this line for nearly 5 years now.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 17, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: Steve Contra on January 17, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/poll-obamas-hiding-something-86349.html)

34% of Americans are dumb.

Quote
Higher levels of education and awareness of current events, however, are linked to a reduction in belief in such theories, the study reported.

 :drudgeBREAKING NEWS  :drudge

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 17, 2013, 08:55:47 PM
You mean you can't just take a headline and create you own version of the story absent of facts?
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: pickle on January 18, 2013, 12:19:11 AM
Quote from: Zero Hero on January 17, 2013, 08:55:47 PM
You mean you can't just take a headline and create you own version of the story absent of facts?

Of course you can. It's just that those ivory tower academics want to tell you otherwise.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2013, 01:03:21 PM
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Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2013, 02:18:45 PM
Eh? They're going to vote on forcing 41 senators to sustain a filibuster. instead of allowing one dissenting senator to force 60 senators to break a filibuster. That's pretty important

Also he plans on eliminating filibusters used to stop debate from starting, and ones used to prevent conference.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 18, 2013, 04:59:22 PM
If it weren't for PD's response I wouldn't even know what that outburst was in reference to.  Probably says something about what politics does to people that you can easily get that kind of reaction out of parliamentary procedural changes.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 18, 2013, 06:13:30 PM
Puddles, if you're gonna keep reading the Politico (which you shouldn't, because it's trash) then you need to stop freaking out every time they print a story.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on January 18, 2013, 06:18:14 PM
Sounds like a politician is playing politics.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 02:13:13 PM
Finally someone willing to say what's really going on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKxN1j3mgRc
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on January 19, 2013, 02:25:20 PM
Crrriiinnngggeeeee
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2013, 02:26:42 PM
oh SHEEEEEEEEEE-
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
Well, I know somebody that won't have a job come Monday.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2013, 03:03:38 PM
She'll probably have her own show on Fox News on monday morning. :smug
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: Stoney Mason on January 19, 2013, 02:13:13 PM
Finally someone willing to say what's really going on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKxN1j3mgRc

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:punch

Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2013, 03:56:33 PM
why does she look like she's about to sneeze once the camera focuses on her  :lol
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Himu on January 19, 2013, 04:00:06 PM
Looks like she was laughing from a possible convo between her and the cameraman when they switched feeds.
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 19, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
Looked like she was sniggeri--...Snickering! She was snickering
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 12:26:58 AM
btw bros let's create a new thread tomorrow. This one was created during the last inauguration, seems fitting we'd retire it tomorrow
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 21, 2013, 12:31:16 AM
title it "ALL HANDS TO THE GULCH: The Agenda 21 Thread of Maobama's Amarxican Dominion and FEMA Abortionplexes"
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 12:47:59 AM
Quote
Kippy Joseph ‏@kippyjoseph
Breaking news: Lupe Fiasco booted off @StartUpRockOn inaugural party after repeating same Words I Never Said (anti-Obama) verse for 30min

lupefiascostore.com ‏@lupefiascostore
So Lupe just performed the first verse of Words I never Said for 30 minutes straight..
:rofl

trying so hard
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 21, 2013, 07:14:01 AM
Call it "Slam Dunk'n Hoes: The Official Second Term of Osama bin Barack al Jihad Thread"

and change Top Dog to Obama and the ho to Boehner:

(http://turntabling.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/WTF-Album-Covers-Top-Dog-Slam-Dunkn-Hoes.jpg)
Title: Re: "A black sheriff?!": The Official Topic of Obama and New Era American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 21, 2013, 08:03:12 AM
Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 12:47:59 AM
Quote
Kippy Joseph ‏@kippyjoseph
Breaking news: Lupe Fiasco booted off @StartUpRockOn inaugural party after repeating same Words I Never Said (anti-Obama) verse for 30min

lupefiascostore.com ‏@lupefiascostore
So Lupe just performed the first verse of Words I never Said for 30 minutes straight..
:rofl

trying so hard

holy shit


http://potholesinmyblog.com/video-lupe-fiasco-kicked-off-stage-for-anti-obama-comments-during-inaugural-performance/

When it comes to politics, Lupe Fiasco‘s been increasingly outspoken over the years. His biggest anti-everything statement came on the bombastic “Words I Never Said”, which features lyrics against President Barack Obama, former President George W. Bush, and the U.S.’s policies on a slew of topics. With that in mind, would you book the Chicago rapper for a performance meant to celebrate Obama’s reelection? Probably not.

But that’s just what some folks did for an event at Hamilton Live in Washington, D.C. Last night, Lupe took the stage and apparently performed “Words I Never Said” for 30 minutes straight. Upon realizing that he wasn’t moving along in his set, security guards approached Lu and promptly ended his set.

The following tweets are from Foreign Policy reporter Josh Rogin, who was at the event.

    Josh Rogin @joshrogin

    Lupe Fiasco just got thrown off stage here at the Hamilton Live after he went on an anti-Obama diatribe mid set.
    20 Jan 13

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    Josh Rogin @joshrogin

    So Lupe played one anti-war song for 30 min and said he didn't vote for Obama and eventually was told to move on to the next song.
    21 Jan 13

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    Josh Rogin @joshrogin

    Lupe refused to move to the next song so a team of security guards came on stage and told him to go.
    21 Jan 13

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You can peep some video of Lupe being escorted off the stage below. [via]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ScQl5_GQao